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'Tea Party' Leader Calls On GOP Leaders To Support Conservatives, Threatens Consequences

January 14, 2010 by  

'Tea party' leader calls on GOP leaders to support conservatives, threatens consequencesAs an internal struggle within the Florida Republican Party continues to unfold the founder of the "tea party" movement warned state GOP leaders that if they do not support conservative candidates they risk mutiny in their ranks.

Last week, Florida GOP chairman Jim Greer resigned after being accused of mishandling party finances, interference in Republican electoral campaigns and of backing moderate Governor Charlie Crist in his quest to win the Republican nomination for U.S. Senate.

However, Greer dismissed the allegations, and many commentators believe his ouster stems from Republican infighting as the party prepares to put forward candidates for the governorship, a U.S. Senate seat as well as the state’s legislative and congressional seats, according to TheLedger.com.

In fact, the outgoing leader has accused his party of trying to "burn the house down," while chairman of the Democratic Party Tim Kaine commented that "the extreme right wing of the Republican Party has claimed another trophy for its wall in its quest to purify the Republican Party, eliminate moderate voices and enact an extreme right-wing agenda."

As the developments unfolded, Dale Robertson, a founder of the tea party movement, has said Republican state leaders should back fiscal and social conservatives or face the same fate as Greer, according to The Washington Post.

"We are turning our guns on anyone who doesn’t support constitutional conservative candidates," he said.
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  • Tinwarble

    I have to disagree with the assertion that there is “infighting” in the Republican Party, this is not infighting, but a retaking of our party. Too long have the Jack-o-Phants been taking our party further and further left. This is not eliminating moderate voices, because the so called moderate voices are just liberals running as Republicans. The people that we get for candidates aren’t the people that we want, but the people that the one’s running the Republican Party wants. If we don’t stand up and demand that true Conservatives with conservative values are put up to represent us, all we will get is more of the same. That’s the problem that we have had, we have allowed other people to tell us who the best candidate is, tell us “this is the best person to beat the Democrats”, even when that person doesn’t represent our values. What is the use of having a 2 party system, when the person representing us is only slightly less different than the Liberals. That is what happened in the New York, 13th District race in 2009, we got from the Republican Party a candidate that, when she found that she couldn’t win, supported the Democrat instead of the Conservative that the Republican electorate wanted. So, no, there isn’t infighting, there is just a fight to get rid of the Liberals that have been put in charge of our party.

    Now, before you go there, I know, I know, all you Liberals are going to say that we are just a bunch of neo-nazi, racist, warmongering, right-wing, etc., etc. etc., and that you hate us, you hate us, you hate us. We know, but see we still love you as Americans, that’s why we want what’s best for you. That’s why we are going to get back in control, make your dope smoking, hippie, welfare check getting, government dependent, etc., etc., etc., butt get off the couch, get a job and move out of our house.

    • Norm

      Tinwarble
      Right-wingers (and Left-wingers) can’t and will not win elections in this country. The closer to Rush’s ideas the party goes the farther from victory they go. A minority of loud, arrogant, uncompromising fools, doesn’t represent mainstream America, thank God.

      • Sandy Santiago

        You’re wrong. The Republican Party needs to be purged of the progressive supporters that have lead us to the big government, huge spending that is bringing this country down. For too long we have supported those that told us they were social conservatives and acted like fiscal liberals. Even George W. Bush (whom I loved) was disappointing in his liberal spending and growth of government’s size. We don’t want to repeat this. Fiscal conservatism, government performance auditing and freedom for ALL Americans is the new tone. Moderate is a code word for progressive big government and huge spending; socialism which will lead us to communism.

      • J C

        “A minority of loud, arrogant, uncompromising fools, doesn’t represent mainstream America, thank God.”

        And yet somehow they managed to elect a Communist anyway. ;)

        • Brenda

          Amen, brother!!!!!!!

    • Curtis S

      John Cleese once said that the US has a one party system, but because they’re Americans they have two of them. Of course when he says it, it sounds much funnier, but basically he’s right. The Republicans and the Democrats are basically the same, spend more money and grow the bureaucracy. John Cleese also suggested the “No Party” system. Every candidate stands as an independent. In the US the President, Vice-President, all the Secretaries of “whatever“, Senators and Congressmen all run as independents and serve their electorate and not their party or their campaign contributors. It could be the end of partisan politics and a real democratic republic.

    • Curtis S

      Tinwarble… dope smoking hippies? How old are you? I can’t remember the last time heard that phrase! Hippies? Didn’t all the hippies melt in the rain at Woodstock? Or did the Hells Angels “harsh their mellow” at Altamont? I’m not trying to make fun of you, I’m just saying it’s funny hearing that phrase again. My grandmother used to say that as she shook her little fist at every guy that had long hair. “Those damn long-haired, dope smoking hippie freaks!” Thanks for reminding me of her!

      • Tinwarble

        Curtis S,

        Apparently you haven’t been to California or maybe a College Campus. Believe me the “dope smoking hippies” are still around, they just don’t wear tie-dye anymore. Well, I take that back, some still do!!!!

      • Tinwarble

        “Dope Smoking Hippies” don’t die, they just become Liberal Professors.

        • eyeswideopen

          Tinwarble, without some of those “dope smoking liberals, you wouldn’t have Medicare. Go out and ask those conservative Republicans if they would give up their Medicare, and you will see Conservatives who embrace the socialist medicine that they won’t give up. If you and yours are truly Conservatives, you would be marching, and protesting to kill that socialist program. Hypocrisy reigns when those who want certain benefits, somehow seem able to justify what they want,while at the same time critize those who want the same. That horse is pretty high when you fall off.

          • Tinwarble

            eyes,

            Yeah, your argument might be justified if Medicare wasn’t, like most government run institutions, going broke. And most Conservative would be glad to privatize Medicare, if I’m not mistaken it has been suggested. But like any government program, once it’s started it is almost impossible to stop, because it has been around since 1965 and now people are reliant on it. So sure, if you want to give the credit to a bunch of “Dope Smoking Hippies” for giving us an unsubstantial program that has made people reliant on the government while at the same time causing doctors to leave the program because of the red tape and that the government want reimburse them, then fine, they can have all the credit for that abomination.

        • Billy R. S.

          You got that RIGHT!

      • Brenda

        Just because you were a hippie, doesn’t mean you smoked dope or believed in “free love”. Nothin ain’t free. By the way, tie-dye is back. Dresses, skirts, shirts, etc. are all tie-dye is back and this almost 65 year old loves it!!!! Maybe some of the music will come back instead of the crappy stuff that is out now. Now, I am just an old hippie but very conservative.

    • Gloria

      Amen!

  • Robert

    As Buffalo Springfield said in one of their songs, “There’s something in the air”. It’s not just the people that show up for the Tea Party events. A lot of us Americans are disgusted with Washington Politics and we will take our country back one way or another. Both Democrats and Repupublicans had better start paying attention to real hard working, God-fearing, tax paying, freedom loving, patriotic Americans. You push us to far and threaten our God-given inalienable rights, we’ll do more than push back. Got that Politicians?

    • Ray

      Amen, If they don’t wake up soon, they will later when it may be too late.

    • Lindy

      Hey Robert… Buffalo Springfield sang “there’s something happening here, what it is ain’t exactly clear…”.
      It was Thunderclap Newman that sang “Call out the instigators, because there’s something in the air…” and the second chorus is “Lock up the streets and houses because there’s something in the air…”.
      Hey, either song would work, just wanted you to get your songs straight. Since they’re both 60’s songs, maybe it’s a case of if you can remember, you weren’t there. :-)

      • Joe H.

        There’s a man with a gun over there a tellin’ me I got to beware. I think it time you stopped hey what’s that sound everybody look what’s goin’ down… I WAS there!!!

      • J C

        Neil Young did one just a few years ago….”Lets impeach the President for spying on us in our homes”

      • Robert

        Hey everyones entitled to a senior moment. Was there, so I screwed up on the words. At least I’m transparent and I’ll even go on CSPAN and admit it.

        • Lindy

          Hey Robert… when you didn’t quite match the band and the lyrics, maybe you “sang out of tune” or maybe it was “off key”, but sometimes you “…get by with a little help from (your) friends…” (with apologies to the Beatles and Joe Cocker.)

          • Tinwarble

            Well how about these lyrics:
            “Grandpappy told my pappy; Back in my day, son; A man had to answer; For he wicked thing he done; Take all the rope in Texas; Find a tall oak tree; Round up all of them bad boys; And hang ‘em high in the street; For all the people to see; And justice is the one thing; You should always find; You gotta saddle up your boys; You gotta draw a hard line; When the gun smoke settles; We’ll sing a victory tune; And we’ll all meet back; At the local saloon;

            We’ll raises up our glasses
            Against evil forces
            Whiskey for my men, beer for my horses!”

          • Joe H.

            Tinwarble,
            Yee Haw!!! Good ole’ Willie!!!!

    • Billy R. S.

      I could not have said it better myself,and I could not agree with you more!

      • jim

        We’re not gonna take it, never did and never will.( The Who, rock opera Tommy). But for fun I just like , Get your motor runnin, head out on the highway. (Born to be Wild).

    • Brenda

      I hope we do push back–but before Obama gets re-elected. That’s a scary thought. Give him 4 more years–there will not be a USA. We really do need to take back our country.

  • FoUpsidedownjack

    It’s time that the Rep Party understand the “WE” will nolonger have PROGRESSIVES” in our leadership! Get the Weakneed Peogerssive’s out of the Party,NOW!!!! Were tired and were NOT GOING to TAKE IT ANYLONGER! For too long we have allowed the Progressive’s to have a hold in the Goverment of this Country. It’s time that WE the People, Re Take this Country Back from the “CHE” loving Bastard’s that have taken us down this road to hell! Get out, get out now!

  • David Luepke

    When the Republicans call to beg for money I tell them that as long as I am alive they will never get another penny from me because they are giving it to people like Spector and that lunatic woman from New York State. I will back the people that I believe in and right now Sarah Palin is at the top of my list on the national level and I am keeping a close eye on local and State Candidates.

    In other words, I am getting back to the vision of our founders, who actually warned about the loyalty to party over country.

  • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

    The Republican Party better listen or it will be over for them!!!

    PS” Prediction: 2011 will make 1929 look like a ‘walk in the park!’

    • Norm

      Yeah and the world will end in 2012 according to the Incas (or Aztecs?).

      • prsmith

        And apparently according to our government. If you didn’t see Jesse Ventura’s latest Conspiracy Theory offering, you should. God told us that the next time would be with fire and the signs seem to point to 2012. Judge for yourselves but I’m very happy to be right with God.

      • J C

        According to fear mongers.

        It was the Mayan’s whose “calendar” simply ends in 2012.
        They inferred nothing more than that.

  • PhilDru

    If I hear another politician say “Progressive” I’ll yell! What’s progressive when it’s the same rehashed tried and failed policies as usual. It’s these left marxists (Commies for the McCarthyites) who want peace and love but at our expense. Anti abortion? Anti gun control? Anti excess taxes? Anti welfare? Anti Government Medical Health Insurance? Anti big government? Anti Liberal? Tell me whats wrong with the afore mentioned. Aboslutely nothing! The Florida Republican Party leaders had better realize it.

  • Robert

    Hopefully these comming elections, real true American patriots will answer the call to run for election and represent we the people. It will be up to every one of us law-abiding, God-fearing, patriotic American citizens to also answer the call to protect these people from attacks by main stream media and both political parties. I’m sick and tired of the politican’s stategey of mud-slinging and want the real issues of today discussed in words that are simple and honest. I guess I’ve excluded lawyers as real true American patiots.

    • Harold Olsen

      I agree with you comment about lawyers. As far as I’m concerned, the lowest for of human being on this earth are lawyers, journalists and politicians. They all have to look up to see the underside of a snakes belly.

      • J C

        I think you’re being far too kind Harold. ;)

      • cr747

        Mr. Olsen, I resent your statement about Lawyers. I spent twenty two years in service for our country as a fighter pilot. Most of it was in Vietnam. I, as a Lawyer try to treat all my cases to the best of my knowledge. I see a lot of comments about Lawyers that are very disturbing to me. I know there are Lawyers that can’t be trusted. We are seeing it now in Washington. I disapprove to what is taking place there with this administration. It is a shame that we as Americans have elected these people to repasent

        • cr747

          Sorry about not finishing, my two year old Grandson was trying to help me. It is a shame that we as Americans have elected these people to represent us in Washington. It is not right that they are not listening to the ones that elected them.
          I can see where that you can be upset with our leaders, but believe me, I don’t like it any more than you. I have talked to some of them personally and told them what I thought.
          So please don’t put all Lawyers in the Nation as low as those that are leading our country to shame. God Bless America, and You!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • J C

          You sir, are obviously one of the few exceptions to the rule.
          Sadly, the truth is that all of these ridiculous laws of compliance that have nothing whatever to do with justice were brought about by “Lawyers”.
          It still comes down to only 98% of all Lawyers are making the rest look bad.

          Be Well.

          • cr747

            Thank You J C. May God Bless You and Yours!!!!!!!

          • Joe H.

            Unfortunately I would have to say one of the very few exceptions! God bless ya’ cr747!!!!

    • http://n/a Winnie

      Robert, the “real,true Americans” had a great working goverment before the freedom-wanting Europeons arrived. The leaders had to prove their characters before even becoming a hunting chief. By the time he was made chief by the Elders and the Grandmothers, he had proven to be honest, brave, humble, kind, courage to show what values he stood for, truthful, and respectful for all living beings. To top this off, he was not paid in any form to keep his community balanced, healthy, and secure. What you are wishing for is not around anymore. Greed has ruined the both parties. You are right though that the lawyers should not be considered “real Americans”, they are the crooks that are breaking the backs of the hard working Americans.

  • AnhydrousBob

    Quoting from the article:
    Democratic Party Tim Kaine commented that “the extreme right wing of the Republican Party has claimed another trophy for its wall in its quest to purify the Republican Party, eliminate moderate voices and enact an extreme right-wing agenda.”

    Hmmmm: EXTREME RIGHT-WING, or as I like to call it, “CONSTITUTIONAL”. I have not heard any Tea Party or 912 group advocate anything that wasn’t for more constitutional authority.

    So, let them call it right-wing, but let us call it what it really is, and call them what they really are.

    • Harold Olsen

      If wanting the United States to operate according to the Constitution makes me a a right-wing extremist, then that is a label that I will wear with pride. If opposing Barack Hussein Obama’s Nazi agenda makes me a racist, I will also wear that label with pride. As far as the left is concerned, the United States Constitution is an illegal document, and anyone who supports it is an extremist, and if they have their way they will have it declare unconstitutional and that will happen if they are allowed to fill the courts with extreme liberal judges.

  • http://ConstitutionalReset.com gmiller

    So, you’re now considered” extreme right wing” if you’re Conservative and insist upon following the Constitution? It really IS time to kick ass in the GOP or run Tea Party candidates separatey

    • AnhydrousBob

      Why NOT run the candidates separately? In the Tea Parties & 912 groups there are quite a few Democrats in those meetings who will not vote anytime soon for a Republican, but may vote for an “Independent”. I think the Republican’s in the TP/912 groups will vote independent, too.

      What I don’t know are the laws in various state as far as qualifying for the ballot as an Independent.

      • Harold Olsen

        What matters to me is whether a candidate is a true conservative. If a candidate can not convince me that he is a true conservative, I don’t care what party he is in, I won’t vote for him. People keep saying that if you vote for anyone who is not a member of the two major parties then you are wasting your vote. I totally disagree. I believe a vote is wasted if you vote for someone whom you do not believe in, even if that person has no chance of winning. Of course, it means I’ll never vote for a Democrat since I don’t believe there is any such thing as a conservative Democrat. And, I’m not so sure there is any such thing as a conservative Republican these days.

        • Joe H.

          Harold,
          And what happens when the end result is that we hand the reins over to O-man for another four years???? Can our country take that?!?!?!?

          • usmadgirl

            Joe H.

            Exactly right! We have to unite to defeat the cheating, conniving, Mao-loving, Saul Alinsky following, Constitution destroying Socialists. If ALL the Tea Party organizations unite, we can let the Republican Party KNOW who we’re going to allow to represent us. I also think the GOP is awake, scared & know that we’re not going to put up with RINOs (after the Dede “Scuzzyfake” incident in New York).

            It’s evident by some of their comments, that the Tea Party movement has pointed the GOP in the right direction. We just need to continue to make our voices heard. No, the MessiahStreamMedia will NEVER listen nor report anything other than attacks & lies, but through Fox News & the conservative internet news (such as Liberty Alert, Newsmax OneNewsNow, American Thinker) & Tea Party protests, we can reach a lot of people.

            With all of this administration’s underhanded schemes, we’re going to have enough trouble defeating them in November without splitting the conservative vote just because people THINK that the GOP is just as bad as the Dems. The GOP can’t hold a candle to THIS administration! There are still a lot of true conservative Republicans (in my state of TN)! Our main goal should be to get our liberty back & get rid of this tyrannical government (or we’re going to look like Haiti), then sort the rest out later!

          • Joe H.

            USMadGirl,
            Sorry if I butchered your name!!! You are Spot on!! I got another of the GOPs “surveys” yesterday and since it doesn’t take postage to send it back, again I told them that I would donate to them when they get back to their conservative roots!!! I also said I would need proof on whoever they run!!!! I would still like to see them run Duncan Hunter!!!

          • J C

            Joe, why are you so sure that will be the end result?
            There is a HUGE movement to take back the country and most recently it’s “because” of Obama. Which is not to say that government in general hasn’t been un Constitutional for a long time…but Obama is the one who seems to be waking people up to real American values…because he doesn’t have any.
            I’m not so sure that going to a third party might not end up a landslide event, going the right way.

          • Joe H.

            I can only pray you are right! I don’t care to take the chance with my country nor my family, and yes in that order!!!

          • JC

            You and me both brother!

          • eyeswideopen

            USMADGIRL, I live in Florida, and have stood by as the Republican party has spent this state into oblivion. Without the Stimulus plan our schools would be shut down this year. We got 3.6 billion dollars to keep our teachers and children in school. What happened to our money, when we were generating so much during the “good times”?? No one in this state can explain what happened to our economy. Yes, we had 8 years of Jeb Bush and now 4 years of Crist, and we are broke. Why do you think that the Republicans aren’t responsible for our fiscal problems? Rubio, who is claiming to be a Conservative, is not. He participated with all the others in writting the laws, and spending the money without so much as a peep. Now that he sees the wind changing, he suddenly has become a Conservative. How conservative is Ron Paul, when he took 75 million in earmarks for his district? He is an example of people preaching that they want smaller government while taking huge amounts from the same government. Interesting how you lay all the blame at the Dems feet, when in reality the states who are Republican are in no better fiscal shape than the Democratic states. Why is that? The Conservatives stood still and quiet for all those years that the Republicans had power, and suddenly now, after they caused such numerous crisis, they are up in arms and blaming the other party. Where were you then? Did you complain when Bush passed the 800billion Medicare Advantage plan without any funding for it? Did you complain when he declared two wars and didn’t rescind the tax cuts? How do you pay for wars without any money?

      • Comanche

        I have been a Loyal Right Wing American MOST of my life. I hope you can put your predjudice aside and realize we live in a TWO (2) Party system. If you vote for a third party you are throwing your vote away. The GOP has been fractionalized by many other parties that all have Constitutional values, but if we do not hang together then most assuredly we shall all hang separatly Please vote GOP until the time comes when we can instill more VIABLE parties and then the choice will be yours. For now I urge everyone to vote GOP or vote DEM, no other party is going to win on a National level.

        • J C

          And if we keep voting FOR the GOP we’ll be just as screwed as always.
          The only difference is that the left seems to screw us a little faster. Anymore, voting Red or Blue is getting to be some kind of sick joke.

  • http://personalliberty.com KenP

    Time to think about the real problem. We are a two party nation and adding a third party, representing views formerly championed by Republicans will likely guarantee victory for Democrats. What to do?

    • Robert

      Lock and load!

      • c lee

        Can I get a HU RAH!!!!

        • Tinwarble

          HU RAH!!!!

    • Richard Pawley

      What to do? Vote for the person or persons whose record shows they can be trusted to do what they say they will do. They may be Democrat. They may be Republican. They may be Independent, but do not go by what they say. GO BY WHAT THEY DO. Look for someone who can’t be bought (yes, believe it or not such people exist and they are usually quite spiritual and believe deeply in the Creator God of the Universe – the God of Justice, Love and Forgiveness). Those who follow other gods are many including those who say they follow no god. Prepare for more than 200% inflation. Congress has already assured that. Recognize that Washington and Wall Street are one and the same. Remember that all is temporary. Be sure to vote in November. Pray. If you don’t this could well be “The Last Days of the Late Great United States!” The country you save may be your own. As Bob Dylan sang, “the times they are a changin’”

    • http://www.nationalprecinctalliance.org prsmith

      Retake the Republican Party – that’s what we must do. All politics is local and Precinct Chairs wield considerable power. Check out http://www.nationalprecinctalliance.org and consider becoming a party official. If it’s too late to run, contact your precinct chair and volunteer to help. You won’t have voting rights but you can wield influence with your chair to do the right thing.

      • Harold Olsen

        Why retake the Republican party. What we need to do is start a truly conservative party. Liberals and moderates not welcome. We need a party that has the same values as our founding fathers. The Democrat and Republican parties are just two sides of the same coin.

        • Comanche

          Tea Parties are reforming the GOP. It will take time, but trying to start another party now is suicide.

        • HighlanderJuan

          I offer my suggestion from an earlier post. You would probably be interested in the GOOOH effort.

          GOOOH stands for ‘Get Out of Our House’ and is pronounced like the word ‘go’. It is a NON-PARTISAN plan to evict the 435 career politicians in the U.S. House of Representatives and replace them with everyday Americans just like you.

          http://goooh.com/Learn.aspx

        • Joe H.

          harold Olsen,
          Why retake the republican party? Simple! There are only two parties that get any coverage and that is the Dumocrats and the Repubs!!! We need to let the repubs know we mean business!!! Vote for and elect conservatives only in the repubs!!!!

    • J C

      How about a third party representing the Constitution which was formerly championed by Americans?

      • Tinwarble

        Because a 3rd party does no good. All you do is split votes, if you have one party that is so called Conservative, one that is so called Libertarian & one that is most definitely Liberal. All the Liberal votes are consolidated and the conservative votes are split, you can’t win elections that way. Conservative need to come together and take the Republican Party back from the politicians, not go looking for an alternative. That is the problem now, we don’t want to do the work ourselves and look for the person who shares our conservative values, we want the person with those values to come to us. After all, the 2 party system was good enough for our forefathers, it should be good enough for us. You don’t just give a dog away just because it peed on your floor, you train the dog to do his business outside.

        • AnhydrousBob

          With all due respect Tinwarble, what was good enough for my forefathers is NOT necessarily good enough for me. I prefer a bathroom in the house, I like my truck instead of a horse and buggy. I like the internet. Politically, our forefathers didn’t like the political options afforded their forefathers and they sought change – thankfully.

          Ask yourself what has it gotten us by having only two parties? How many times have you voted for the “lesser of the two evils” and where has that gotten us. During the last election I heard too many say – we must vote for McCain, otherwise we would get Obama. As long as we keep doing things the way we’ve always done them, the longer those ways will be with us.

          I don’t like statism at all. It is the cancer that is eating our nation. But as long as some of you are stuck in the two party system, the parties have power over us. What if there were 3 or 4 parties? We would have more choices.

          A Rasmussen poll shows this: “In the 2008 exit poll, 34 percent of voters described themselves as conservatives and 32 percent as Republicans; 39 percent described themselves as Democrats but only 22 percent as liberals”. In other words, there are Democrats (17%) that do NOT call themselves liberals and though they might not support a Republican, may support an Independent.

          The Tea Parties and 912 meetings are attended by Democrats, too. But even if they can bring themselves to come to a Tea Party meeting, they’ll probably never be able to bring themselves to vote Republican, but they might vote for an Independent or other 3rd party.

          What about me? I’ve never joined a party, so what am I to take back? The number of Independents in this nation are around 36%, more than either party.

          • Tinwarble

            AnhydrousBob,

            As that my point wasn’t that we should be voting for the “lesser of 2 evils”, but to change the people that we vote for. That McCain was the Republican nominee is beside the point, it’s that we let other people tell us that he was the best candidate is.

            You say that the Independents out number the Republicans or the Democrats, which is true, but they are still divided into Conservative & Liberal thinkers. We can not fix the problem without getting to the root of the problem, which is letting other people tell us who we should have as the head of our party instead of telling them who we want. The Tea Parties & 912 Project wasn’t started to develop a new party, but to get the power of the people back. That is what we also need to within the Republican Party, get our power back.

            Your assertion that what was good for our forefathers, isn’t necessarily good for you. Well I say to you, the Constitution was good enough for our forefathers, do you wish to change it also. As those in power have twisted and perverted our Constitution, they have also twisted and perverted our Party. To blame the party for the problems is like blaming your car for quitting because you didn’t put gas in it. We conservatives haven’t checked the gas or given our party a tuneup in a long time, and now we find it broken down. The only way that we are going to get it running right again is to do a complete over haul. Yes, we could buy a new one, but frankly, the new ones are hard to work on, and this one we can fix ourselves any time something goes wrong.

          • AnhydrousBob

            Tinwarble,

            I think you and I Agree much more than we Disagree. You have said “Because a 3rd party does no good. All you do is split votes”

            That is where we disagree. Now, if you want to go tackle the Republican party and bring it more in line with your (probably our) thinking, I wish you success.

            However, I don’t agree that you will split the vote with a third (or fourth) party. I made my point that not all Democrats are liberals, though they prove by choice of which party the belong to that they are definitely NOT Republicans. Another party could pull conservative Democrats to it, also. In that case you may have a smaller Liberal Democratic party with a very liberal candidate and two other parties with non liberal candidates.

            Anyway, in the free market of several parties, since the American public is conservative (according to the polls), each party would be under pressure to meet the political needs of the public to remain viable rather than (as now) just needing to be slightly more conservative than the other one.

          • Tinwarble

            Bob,

            If all things being equal, then yes, your point would be valid. However, you forget about what the Liberals are doing now. Trying to get convicted felons the ability to vote, the universal voter registration that they are trying to get past and amnesty for illegal aliens which will dump millions of Democrat voters in the system. What I’m saying is that a split Democrat party (or Liberal Party) want hurt them as much as a split Republican Party (or Conservative Party). If we don’t all come together now, coming together later want matter much.

          • Joe H.

            Bob,
            Look back to the year Ross Perot ran! He was a real kook, but he split the vote just enough to hand the job to the dems!!! It DOES happen!

        • JC

          Well Tinwarble there seems no other choice than to vote the alternative. Whether we vote the Red or the Blue we’re screwed anyway.
          I’d rather see a departure from the insane hamster wheel we’ve been calling the White House, whatever the consequences. Maybe another 4 years of “The One” will finally get America locked and loaded. I personally am well beyond caring which party is in, they both screw us. So its time to try something new…anything.

          • Tinwarble

            JC,

            My point isn’t about the Party, it’s about the people. And yes it is time try something new, like taking control instead of how it has been, letting the Party control us. If you take the people that are making mistakes and put them in a different party you still end up with the same mistakes, you have to correct the mistake first. By that I mean, if you have people who are voting for what they see as a “middle of the road candidate” and you move them to what ever party you are advocating, you aren’t getting anywhere. So instead of having a RINO you end up with a LINO or maybe a IINO, it’s not the party that you should be worried about changing, it’s people’s view of how they look for a candidate.

          • J C

            Ok, Fair enough. Let’s say we now have principled people in power…
            How do we stop them from being bought off by the same international banking consortium that’s been collecting our politicians since Lincoln? You know, the one that controls all the money, globally and doesn’t care a hoot about anyone’s sovereignty.
            If we are to clean house…we pretty much need to start with the privately owned Federal Reserve….which is not Federal and has no Reserves.

          • Tinwarble

            JC,

            “How do we stop them from being bought off by the same international banking consortium that’s been collecting our politicians since Lincoln?”

            That’s where personal responsibility comes in, it is our “personal responsibility” to keep an EYE on the people we elect. We have gotten to the point we’re in now because we all put blindfolds on and expected our elected officials to do the right thing. To use another adage, you can’t let the chickens run around loose and not expect the weasels not to come and pick them off.

            As for the Fed, yes I agree, something needs to be done about it. But the same thing can be said about the IRS.

          • Joe H.

            JC,
            If they are truly “principled” people they won’t let themselves be bought off!

          • Tinwarble

            JC,

            But that is the crux of the matter isn’t it. Because if they are “principled” or not, as they say “power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely”. Unfortunately, government isn’t fire & forget, we have to do the hard work & keep an eye on all elected officials, no matter if we think they are principled.

          • Tinwarble

            Sorry, that was supposed to be to Joe H.

        • J C

          “You don’t just give a dog away just because it peed on your floor, you train the dog to do his business outside.”

          Tinwarble…I’m sorry but it’s just so MUCH worse than that.
          Leaving either of the present parties in place is about the same as
          exchanging the old noose around your neck for a newer looser one…but it’s still a noose. And will slowly start to strangle us again. No sir, I have to part comapany with you here. I firmly believe that we should be bringing in at least one more party.
          Some would say that too many parties would stifle government action.
          GOOD! While they’re arguing with each other, they’re leaving us alone.

          • J C

            Sorry, Tinwarble for the contradictory posts…done on different days and in response to different ideas. I’m enjoying the debate and wishing (overall) for the same things you are.

          • Tinwarble

            JC,

            I agree, it s so much worse. But maybe not in the way you think. In case you didn’t see this is my post to someone else:

            “If all things being equal, then yes, your point would be valid. However, you forget about what the Liberals are doing now. Trying to get convicted felons the ability to vote, the universal voter registration that they are trying to get past and amnesty for illegal aliens which will dump millions of Democrat voters in the system. What I’m saying is that a split Democrat party (or Liberal Party) want hurt them as much as a split Republican Party (or Conservative Party). If we don’t all come together now, coming together later want matter much.”

            Another party, if they don’t win, won’t matter to much if the Liberals get there way. All I really care about right now is getting the brakes put on this out of control government. This is not about putting a looser noose around our necks, but changing the executioner to one that isn’t so happy to pull the lever and will take the noose from around our necks.

          • Tinwarble

            JC,

            I forgot to say, yes, I enjoy the debate also. Although, some of my debates have made me feel like I’m back in school, because I have to relearn things that I can’t remember the details to.

          • JC

            Good point. Flooding the ballot with votes from illegal aliens and/or convicts is just as nasty a trick as barring (caging) votes from given areas or the overseas military. Its all very symptomatic of just how sick the system has become.
            I don’t think there is a lot of disagreement about particular wrongs when framed to a single point of focus. What stifles us in our unity is that there are so many items on the table that need to be addressed
            we each have a slightly different take on the “big picture” based on our individual point of view on any given day, depending on which particular item is bothering us at that time…if that makes sense(?)

          • Tinwarble

            JC,

            That’s pretty much my point, we need to quit seeing our own perspective of what the “Big Picture” might be. We need to unite on what are the actual facts on the ground, and if you look at those facts, then I think that we might be able to unite under those things. Right now we are driving 100 mph down the wrong road, we can’t just throw everything in reverse, first we need to put on the brakes. If we don’t, we’ll find ourselves at the point of no return.

          • eyeswideopen

            J.C and Tin, I am a Republican who followed the party line for 40 yrs and until Bush thought that my party was fiscally responsible and had morals. If you really want to see what happened to our party, do some research and see that from 1996 till the present 93 Republicans have been involved in sex scandals, or run out of office due to ethics violations. Some are still in office, re: Ensign and Vitters. Wanting to believe that the Dems had the same number, I was in shock when I could only find 20 for the same time frame. What shook me to the bone, was the religious Conservatives who were caught in scandals. Also do some research and see what budgets and bills were passed from 1996 till now, and then see if you can blame only the Dems. My problem with Conservatives is that they try to ram their religious beliefs down your throat, while trying to use the Constitution to do so. Our Founding Fathers were not all Christians, many were Deists, which explains why they didn’t want a National religion. We could fix this country if we stopped the way we elected officals. Take the money out of campagining. Don’t let the corporations make contributions. If the elected don’t owe anyone for obtaining their position, they could vote honestly, thereby representing the people. Follow the money, it pays for every position that is voted on. Even your Conservatives take the money.

          • Tinwarble

            Well eyeswideopen, not that I care about which party you belong or not or whether you were a Republican or not. First this is not about the past, but what we are going to do for the future. And as far as your assertion about how many sex scandals their have been, perhaps your research is just a little flawed. If you want to make a comparison perhaps you should look here:

            http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/democrat-scandals-you-wouldnt-hear-from-the-liberal-mainstream-media/

            http://www.boycottliberalism.com/Scandals.htm

            Especially this which shows that the Dems still have the most overall scandals:
            http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/thegaggle/archive/2009/06/25/sex-scandals-through-the-years-both-parties-even.aspx

          • Joe H.

            eyes,
            you aren’t looking very hard then. there’s at least 10 or 15 on O-mans cabinet now!!!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            Tin, please see http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Republican_Sex_Scandals
            You will see that the totals are not what you think.

          • cr747

            eyes,
            the biggest part of those charges have been dropped. Some settled out of court. NOT saying where they were guilty or not. Seems as though when you are in government, they seem to get out of the charges against them. Some of them where false charges which happens quite a bit so the one filing the suit thinks they might get a few bucks.

  • OldDan

    KenP says:
    Time to think about the real problem. We are a two party nation and adding a third party, representing views formerly championed by Republicans will likely guarantee victory for Democrats.

    What to do?
    Answer: Take back the Republican Party. I agree that a third party makes a Democratic Party winner. However we can start at the very local level and get involved as district reps or whatever is the lowest level of your local Republican Party system. (Varies by state) These people choose state party delegates who go to conventions and choose candidates. We have to start at the base of the power pyramid, NOW in order to have impact in November 2010 and in 2012. There is no time to lose.

    • AnhydrousBob

      Isn’t it time for folks to forget the parties as they are now? Most folks joined years ago and the parties have “moved under them” toward statism and are no longer what they were when the people joined.

      Yet, if a person is donating money to the party, he/she naturally feels a vested interest to go along even if not in complete agreement with everything the party espouses. By freeing ourselves from the entanglements of the party, we can be much more objective. And the parties will be forced to move in the direction of the people to keep membership.

      Besides, there are Democrats that will not vote Republican (just as sure as there are Republicans that will never vote for a Democrat). That trust is not there, and after all these years, and all this baggage, who would expect it to be?

      However, an independent, or a constitutionalist or a libertarian must survive on his ideas and folks from both parties can embrace them, just as folks from both parties and independents have joined or supported the Tea Parties or 912 groups.

      • Tinwarble

        You miss the point, it’s not going looking for a new party, it’s taking the party back from those who have run it like it was their own personally party.

        • AnhydrousBob

          No, you miss MY point completely, I disagree with your point.

          • Tinwarble

            No, I got your point, you would rather sit out in the rain.

          • AnhydrousBob

            Ahhh, I guess I misjudged you, since you have resorted to character attacks.

          • Tinwarble

            Bob,

            Sorry, see my reply below.

          • Joe H.

            Bob,
            and just how do you plan to do that??? There is a steadfast voting preference in this country and you nor I will be able to change that! We need to change the Republican party back to its conservative roots. It can be done a whole lot easier than changing the way most people will vote!!!

          • J C

            How do you “UnBuy” either of the parties? End the Fed and you might have a chance. Otherwise we’ll need something new.

          • Curtis S

            JoeH… are you masquerading as Tinwarble?

      • Comanche

        I,ve tried in some elections to establish a third or even forth party by voting for them. I now face reality we are a two party system and a vote for any third party is a wasted vote. Please be a realist and do not throw your vote away. Vote for the best of the two prevailing parties. For additional comments see my comments above.

      • Tinwarble

        Bob,

        Don’t get me wrong, that wasn’t a character attack. That was just a statement of opinion and was more of a metaphor. If I decided to resort character attacks you would know it.

        • AnhydrousBob

          I think we are working on the same side here. By all means work within the party, but that leaves me out. I have no desire to belong to a party.

          What shall we do with those that have left both parties? It would be nice to have a forum for them. Many are understandably disillusioned with those organizations.

          Now, if your work in the GOP gives them a candidate to vote for, good. But what if you get a Dede? If we have work going on outside of the GOP then we may be able to have an alternative. Fortunately, for New Jersey there was an alternative.

          To a better future …

          • Tinwarble

            Bob,

            Yes, I believe that we are on the same page, or at least in the same book. I never meant for it to sound that you had to join a party. My point is that, if you are a Conservative, and you want a true conservative, limited government candidate, then why not work with us Republicans who want to change our party back to that. Instead of trying to look for more parties, which has already been tried, because we already have other parties, the Libertarian Party, the Green Party, and others that I can’t think of off the top of my head and not to denigrate those parties, but where has the 3% & 4% of the vote gotten them. When you want to change the system, it is usually easier to do it from the inside then it is to try and change it from the outside.

            And no, there are no guarantees that we want get another Dede. But the chance that we don’t is better if we pick who we want, rather than letting our party leaders pick our candidate. If we do the work, we are more likely to get a Reagan than a Dede, and to your point about Dems not voting for a Republican, I would remind you that Reagan was popular with not only Republicans, but many Democrats and Independents. I never meant for this discussion to be about the party however, but more about how Conservatives need to pool together, the party is just a means to the ends.

  • George

    A ‘third’ party will not work, but here is what will:
    1)Establish an organized 912 or Teaparty group in every Congressional District in the Country;
    2)Support & elect only fiscal & social Conservatives regardless of party, Democrat or Republican.

    We must get rid of the Lindsy Graham aka RINO’s…

    • AnhydrousBob

      Agree, see my comment above yours to OldDan.

    • Tinwarble

      George,

      I agree with you, most people talking about a 3rd Party want to blame the Party itself. Not look at the real problem, which is that we conservatives have become lazy and instead of running the party we have let the party run us.

      • Joe H.

        Tinwarble,
        As i said before we have only ourselves to blame for the condition of the republican party!!! We have, for years, let them run every warm body that was still breathing and now they think we will continue to accept that!! We need to let them know that we want them to return to their conservative roots and spend money as if they were on a household budget in that if you don’t have the money you don’t spend it!!! We need to stop this insanity! Take Haiti, we send 100 million and what does the richest country in the world, China send? one stinking million!!! Japan one stinkin’ million and search teams!!! Are we the united bank of the world??? I know the people there are in dire straights and need help, but isn’t this supposed to be a United effort??? Shouldn’t it be a little more balanced??? And who do you suppose will send the most donations from concerned citizens? The U.S. as usual! I am so proud of the American spirit that I pop buttons on my shirt. Here we are in one of the worst times of our history and the American people respond by pouring out their hearts and wallets to help others!!!! I just wish the government would use a little common sense!!!

  • GBM

    If we do not take back our government, require the budget to balanced and force Congress to set term limits like the President we will all be living like many of the people in Haiti.

  • http://personalliberty.com KenP

    Great dialog on What to do.

    I followed the link provided by PRSmith and signed up to become a precinct captain although it seems like an insignificant action. Unfortunately those living on taxpayer largesse have had unlimited time, since they don’t / won’t work, to supporting the election of candidates sympathetic to their cause who think nothing of increasing the tax load on hard working tax paying Americans. We have to start somewhere

    I also plan on rallying support for anti-large government demonstrations. To think almost 900,000 marched in Washington last summer and it barely got attention in the major news media. Maybe this year 1.5 million could show up and make their presence felt.

    • Joe H.

      KenP,
      If it hurts the libbers, you will never NEVER see it on the MSM!!! You could have 3 million there and it will be ignored by them!!!

  • Harold Olsen

    It seems odd on the surface that the founder of the Tea Party movement needs to call on GOP leaders to support conservatives. However, I can understand why. The popular misconception is that the Republican party is conservative. Maybe it was at one time, but has not been for several years. Probably not for a couple of decades. I don’t believe that there is any such thing as a conservative (or moderate for that matter) Democrat and I’m not so sure there is any such thing as a conservative Republican these days. And moderate Republicans seem to lean left. Because of Reagan I became a Republican. Because of Bush, McCain and the direction that the Republican party is going, I’m an Independent. Michael Steele, the incompetent and inempt chairman of the Republican National Committee wants to lead the party toward a politically correct brand of conservatism. Well, political correctness has no place in true conservatism. True conservatives say what they mean and mean what they say and don’t worry about offending someone just because they have said something that is politically incorrect. On top of that, Steele a few weeks ago, blames racism on the criticism he has been receiving. He said that the reason he is being criticized is because white male Republicans are afraid of him, showing himself to be what I call an “I’m a victim” black person. In other words, nothing is ever his fault. He doesn’t take responsibility for anything. It makes me believe that, like John McCain, he is a liberal pretending to be a conservative and maybe, again like McCain, is a closet Democrat. He should resign and someone who is a TRUE conservative replace him. If the party wants a black RNC chairman, then maybe they should turn to Alan Keyes. You have so-called conservative Republicans supporting liberal Republicans just because they have the proper letter after their name. Take Newt Gingrich for example and his support of the liberal candidate in the recent election in New York. That is not true conservatism, and I do not consider Gingrich to be a true conservative and would not vote for him if he ran for president. Democrat and Republican: two sides of the same coin.

    • Tinwarble

      Perhaps you haven’t heard of Rep. Jason Chafetz from Utah, who sleep on a cot in his office because he feels that he doesn’t need to live on the peoples dime. There are true Conservatives out there, you just need to look for them and not expect them to come to you.

    • http://Don'thaveone Sally

      Alan Keyes. There is one smart man!!!. Years ago, the democrates were where the Republicans are today – The shift has been 180 degrees the wrong way. However, that old myth they sold the country “Democrats are for the Working Man” “Republicans are for the Rish” still carries on to this day — that is why Obummer bailed out big business because he was for the working man! ho ho ho

      • JC

        You’re right Sally, Alan Keyes is a solid individual. Even he is openly saying “The One” was not born on American soil.

        • HighlanderJuan

          He may be right. Time will answer that question for us.

          Alan Keyes is very much against Obama’s eligibility because of the 2004 senate election in which Obama admitted he wasn’t a natural born citizen, but that it was alright because he (Obama) wasn’t running for president.

          Additionally, Obama’s father was a British subject when Obama was born, and so he can never become eligible.

          Because of these two events, I am in agreement with Keyes.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Larry Johnson

    Talk about making a pact with the devil,America is doing just that,by keeping quiet, while the progressives are systematically taking our country apart. you’ve seen the polls,that show the thirty percent hard left wing liberals,give or take a few percentage points. Even when asked questions like,should Americans have the right to say what the want. We call it freedom of speech, that thirty percent votes no. On our right to bare arms, they vote no. On our right to practice our faith, they vote no. These are dangerous people, and they have taken over our country. They call themselves progressives,but in order for them to progress, we the American people have to digress. It’s always about power,and the end justifies the means.Barack Obama,will give these people everything they need to destroy America.Only a fool will believe a liar,and only criminals work in secret,doing closed door deals,and using our money to buy votes.Passing two thousand plus pages of unread bills in the middle of the night,is what they do. these people must be held accountable,but unless charges are brought soon,Obama,could leave office,pardoning all the wrong doers. This must not be allowed to happen,and laws need to be passed to make sure this kind of despicable behavior is never again allowed in our White House.

    • Raggs

      Your correct, however thier laws are laws of convinence not applying to those who write them. Just like this stupid health-reform.
      Hyporcrisy comes to mind in this administration not to mention corruption with behind the door deals.

  • RoBoTech

    Principle over Party. Country, Constitution, and Common Sense Governing. If ya ain’t down with that, I have two Words fer ya.
    SuX*8 It!

  • gerald newton

    Reply to Harold Olsen: Hurrah! Well said!
    Get rid of the RINO’s. McCain,Schwarzenegger etc.,are Democrat plants. McCain can’t wait to get between the sheets with some leftwing liberal. Teddy’s gone,so you can bet your ass John’s looking for another partner.POLITICAL PROSTITUTION! Schwarzenegger knows wher his sugar comes from. [He's married to a Democrat!] RINO’s OUT! RIGHT-WING CONSERVATIVES IN!
    Remember! O’reilly is NOT looking out for you!

    • usmadgirl

      Gerald Newton,

      I wrote O’Reilly & told him that he was no longer looking out for us! I told him that if he didn’t stop trying to be so “fair & balanced” & get on the band wagon with Glenn (informing us about all the radical junk going on), he was going to wake up scratching his head wondering what the heck happened, why he was in the old USSR & why he no longer had a job “looking out for the people”!

      • Norm

        Glenn would sure know about the “radical junk”.
        As that great mind, Pogo, said “we have met the enemy and he is us”.

        • Tinwarble

          I would agree with Pogo, we have meet the enemy, and it is you.

          • Curtis S

            POGO? You guys are quoting a comic strip that hasn’t been drawn for 35 years? Awesome. I also liked the Jack Acid Society! Pogo rules! (I studied Walt Kelly in college.)

  • RC

    Who the heck is the ‘Tea Party’ leader?

    • Raggs

      RC….
      Are you kidding?
      Who needs a “leader” to voice your opinion?
      “SHEEPLE” comes to mind for you.

  • Rod

    Outstanding Tea Party!! Keep up the good work.

    Schwarzenegger can’t think for himself! He needs his Radical left Dem. wife to show him what to do next. He is a turn coat and alot
    of the reason California is bankrupt. Now he comes out whinning and crying and wants the rest of us to bail them out. Make no mistake,
    if they get bailout money all the lafties will give them selves
    a nice increase in pay while their unemployed are being ignored.
    Wouldn’t you say it’s time for a change back to Democracy. Get rid
    of those big spending Dem’s!!!!

    • Tinwarble

      Rod,

      I thought we were talking about Florida, but yes Californication needs a change also.
      Also, not to be contrary, but we are a Republic not a Democracy.

      Democracy: government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

      Republic: ) : a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government b (1) : a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government c : a usually specified republican government of a political unit

      • Raggs

        So we have neither….
        Maybe you need to look up Facist republic.

        • Tinwarble

          True. I meant to say it is what we are supposed to be.

  • Raggs

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=121878

    Has anyone seen this?????

    I think by now all of us have heard that the dem’s are trying to take votes from felons for thier use. This is a ploy of “big government” to force voting.

    I will not stand for this communism!!!!

    • Tinwarble

      Raggs,

      Yes, I had heard about that, but here’s what’s scarier, the Democrats are also proposing amnesty for illegal aliens. This is just a preemptive bill to get all those illegals registered. Just think of what the outcome of elections are going to be when they get 30 million new Democrat voters in the system. What chance are Conservatives going to have then?

      • Raggs

        I find it disgusting!!!
        I find obama the same…. A modern day Hitler and a traitor..
        He DOES NOT stand for the constitution and calls it a piece of paper that constricts the power of government… Little does he know it is designed just for that reason…. Oh sry I got off topic..
        So what are the conservatives to do?… Give him more rope.
        Prehaps he will hang everyone during his fall… As it is he is choking everyone to his climb, meaning us… Dictators cannot last long history shows that…

      • Joe H.

        Tinwarble,
        To add to your comment, I like to listen to Rush and quite often agree with him. Today though he wanted to brush aside the illegal issue like we can’t focus on more than one problem at a time. I don’t think he’s right on with that attitude as it is just as important as the Health Care issue!!! I tried to call and couldn’t get through. I have twice but today, no joy!!!

  • jim

    If RINO’s left the Rep. party and joined the Dem’s, but weren’t quit liberal enough as the other Dem’s would they be DINO’s?

    • Tinwarble

      We don’t have to worry about that, the RINO’s are liberal enough!!!

  • Raggs

    I have a dog I call her LiL’ Bit.
    I’m going to reg her to vote and it wont be for a dem.
    There are several strays that come around so I’m counting them.
    Also I have pet squirrels I feed nuts to I’m going to count them as well. I have a lot of dead relatives that are forgot about so you guessed it… They count… If I scratch my head I’m sure to come up with more…

    • Comanche

      That’s how the “Great One” got elected. Maybe we need to start playing by thier rules. Go for it.

      • usmadgirl

        Comanche,

        If we all learn & use Obama’s favorite Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals”, or the Cloward & Piven strategy, maybe we can use their own “game” against him & his radical thugs. I wrote my very Conservative representatives & told them that if they didn’t learn to play by the Dumb-o-crat rules for radicals, the Republicans didn’t have a snowball’s chance in taking back the country! Maybe we should call our strategy “Rules for Conservatives”. I dont’ want to be associated with anything from the progressive side!

    • jim

      Hi Raggs, Can you get your pet squirrels to go bury some ACORN members out in the woods?

      • Raggs

        I have the squirrels trained to attack dem’s on sigth also they eat those with little nuts starting especially with acorns and mixed nuts.
        My neighbor has a bag of puppies I have thier blessing to use them.

    • Tinwarble

      Don’t forget to declare them as dependents on your taxes!!!!

    • usmadgirl

      Raggs,

      We, right now, have 11 cats, Peekaboo, Pippin, Piper, Pixie, PeeWee, Pogo, Paigie, Petal, Popeye, Peyton (Peyton Manning – the greatest!), & PALIN (after Sarah). We have 3 dogs, Penny, Patches & Pepper & Penny’s 6 new puppies that are ready to find homes, a mini lop-earred bunny, Peepers & an aquarium with about 30 fish. We also have deer that come into our yard, some fox, a fat ground hog & stray dogs & cats. I’m registering them all to vote tomorrow!

  • gerald newton

    usmadgirl:Hurrah! Well said!
    O’Reilly is going to back amnesty or LA RAZA and Geraldo will make sure he loses his show. Remember that fight with Geraldo? Since then he’s been VERY quiet on illegal immigration.
    Glen Beck will back amnesty! He’s already partnered with O’Reilly.
    Lou Dobbs will back amnesty. He has already switched sides.
    These three will try to convince right-wing conservatives that amnesty is the way to go.
    Don’t forget, certain Saudi’s are tied to Fox News.
    AND FOR AWHILE WE THOUGHT WE HAD A VOICE IN THE MEDIA!

    • chuck b

      newton

      hope you are wrong on this one. oreilly is always on the fence and i think beck is really more conservative than you may think. lou dobbs is praying for a role on a third party ticket so he is feeling out the amnesty crowd. i think sarah palin is going to be the one to beat in 2012 and i think fox is going to back her all the way if she is gaining support like now. fox can dump geraldo he is nothing but an obnoxious person, people don’t remember what a rat he was during the contra hearings, accusing ollie north of running drugs and other illegal activities, if i was north his nose would look like a pancake.

      • Joe H.

        chuck b.
        i can almost guarantee that Glenn will not come down on the side of amnesty as he helped stop SCAMNESTY when Bush was in office!!! He instructed people to call their reps and gave out the numbers to call almost every show!!!

    • Tinwarble

      gerald,

      Even though I’m with usmadgirl on O’Reilly about not seeing what Obama is doing. She (and I can speak to this with certainty) didn’t mean that he would back amnesty as you are asserting. Nor would Glen Beck, who is not partnered with O’Reilly except that they are doing a tour together. I couldn’t speak to Lou Dobbs as to whether he would or not, but if he did I believe he would lose much of his support.
      Also, that the Saudi’s own 5.7% of Fox News, if that is true, I haven’t looked it up, Fox News is traded openly on the stock market and their are probably a lot of people who own Fox stock. Having 5.7% is nowhere near any kind of controlling interest and to think that they have any say in how Fox is run is just a little conspiratorial, especially when you would have to account for the 94.3% interest held by others. And as I understand it, Rupert Murdoch has kept the controlling interest in the company.

      • Joe H.

        Tinwarble,
        Lou Dobbs has already said that he supports amnesty!! It was almost right after he left his “former” employer!!!

        • Tinwarble

          Joe H,

          Good to know, I haven’t really kept up with Lou Dobbs or what he has said, he’s been the least of my worries.

    • usmadgirl

      Gerald Newton,

      I have to disagree with you on this. There is probably nobody in the media anymore conservative, pro-liberty, pro-constitution or pro-America than Glenn Beck. He, like most of us, have no problem with people coming here LEGALLY (except for those who want to murder us), we just don’t want them ‘BREAKING INTO OUR COUNTRY”. I don’t even mind work visas as long as they pay taxes if they are going to get benefits that American citizens get. I just don’t want them coming here illegally & receiving benefits at our expense. I think they should have to learn to speak our language if they want to live here.

      As for Lou Dobbs, the only time I’ve seen him is on O’Reilly twice. I don’t think he’s for amnesty unless I missed something.

      O’Reilly isn’t for amnesty whatsoever either. He too believes they should come here legally.

      Fox News IS the ONLY source of TV news that is “fair & balanced” & lets the conservatives express our views. NONE of the other news programs even give us a voice & on the rare occasions that they do, they ridicule everything we say or do. They make me barf!

      Fox would NEVER try to talk conservatives into supporting any part of amnesty. I’m not sure where you’re getting your information, but you might want to stay away from that source.

  • Raggs

    I have a bunch of pet rocks…. Think im going to train them for some use, prehaps to sit around and make stubbling blocks much like acorns.

  • gerald newton

    To chuck b:Hurrah! Well said!
    I hope to God I’m wrong too!
    By the way, I know some skinheads who would like to be interviewed by Geraldo!

  • Raggs

    I have also given some thougth to this “political correctness” issue Reid has found himself in…. “Political correctness” is just about as it is meant to be… What I mean is this… It is an avenue of the government to control what you say and how you think. If you are not correct in thier eyes you must be wrong. It is an infraction on our rigths to free speech. But do you think they will explain it this way?…. No far from it… obama is a negro or whatever you may prefer, so be it there is nothing anyone can say or do that will change that. When I have to be afraid to call things by the truth on the sake of the government than this country has a very serious problem. Political correctness is just thier way of telling you to shut up and listen to them and speak only what they want to hear.
    Our freedom is under attack by the very ones that are supposed to be protecting it. The worst enemy we have is the government.

    • chuck b

      raggs

      first off there is something i would like to say about this negro thing! i think its about time the black people in this country take the chip off their shoulder and get over it, the white people have become a bunch of lilly livered wimps, the worse thing in the world to them is to be called a racist, the black people have a field day calling the white’s any kind of slur they can come up with and the white’s just shut up and walk away. our politicians almost have to proof read their speech’s while giving them in order not to offend the blacks. so its time we put amos & andy back on the air and have a good clean laugh at their comedy not at their race. and its time most blacks get a sense of humor and stop acting like the world is out to offend them. send jesse jackson and al sharpton to the showers. but, that’s not going to happen, there are some who want this racial tension to continue because there’s profit in it, just ask jesse.

      • cr747

        You can say that again chuck b. Every time Jessie or Al get on TV, I have to change channels. I know it’s going to be something racist coming out of their mouth. These two guys can start an argument at the drop of a hat.

      • Raggs

        I agree 100%.

      • J C

        It’s ok to be a racist chuck, just as long as you aren’t white.
        Everyone else has got the green light to attack whites in this PC Utopia.

  • Claire

    I am so aggravated. I heard Rush complaining about the troops that have been sent to Haiti to help with the horrible crisis there. He called them “Meals on Wheels.” He was comparing the troops in Haiti to the troops in Afghanistan. These are two totally different situations! My gosh, he is one heartless creep. I bet if the shoe was on the other foot he would sure act and speak differently. What goes around comes around.

    • Joe H.

      Claire,
      had you heard the whole thing, you would know the topic of his session was what I was complaining about earlier. The “united effort of the world” at sending aid to Haiti!! We send 100 million and the richest country, China sends one million, Japan one million and some searchers. It’s getting disgusting. now he says we will be there long term. In the last 20 years, more than 3 billion has been poured into that country and very little has actually gotten to the people. the economy hasn’t improved one iota while their nearest neighbor is almost a paradise! I also said I was so proud of the American spirit that I was popping buttons. In the middle of one of the worst times in our history the American people are pouring out their hearts and wallets for these people. Even those “evil” corporations that denniso and eyes oh and coal minor( as in minor intellect) talk about are combining to send almost another 100 million!

      • chuck b

        joe

        so how are we going to help haiti. these people have been on the dole for so long they have no clue how to help themselves. take a look at detroit, basically they have a haitian problem and no one has figured out yet what to do. i was in haiti years ago and generation after generation have been born into abstract poverty and they accept this and make no effort on their own to change it. if we go in there and restructure their society and build a new city and infrastructure it will look like a government housing project in a few years. the president will fly off with all the money we gave them and so what have we proved. people are people unless they pull up their own bootstraps nothing will change. starting with population control would be a good thing and getting into a good work ethic would be another we can’t feed the whole world and the way the liberals think we will be feeding this nation from now on and their over populate will be swimming to the u.s. of course obumbo will be waiting with open arms (more votes)put yourself in their shoes what would you do, set and wait for some body to feed you or make an effort to better your way of life. lets help them thru this mess and then get out.

        • J C

          You can build it brand new and in 10 years it will look like Detroit.

        • Joe H.

          chuck b.,
          I’ve been there too and what I saw of most of the ones that didn’t want to do any work was that they wanted their GANJA MON!!!!

      • Claire

        AS I said in an earlier post on a different site, America always sends more troops to any war/catastrophe than any other country and now more money than any other country. This has always been a given. I am certainly proud of Americans and their spirit too. The outpouring of help has been awesome and in a time of bad economy. We are a great country with great Americans. But I still don’t think Rush should have made those comments about meals on wheels, etc. It is the way he says things that offends me. To me, he is simply using this catastrophe to increase his derotatory diatribe.

        • chuck b

          claire

          it seems to me you are more worried about what rush says than what obumbo is doing to this country. you are going to have a hard time turning people against rush unless you can prove him wrong and i don’t think you are capable of that. rush is right almost all the time and if he wasn’t the liberals would have succeeded in running him off the airways. so why don’t you try downgrading your hero “obumbo” then you might succeed, he’s wrong!

          • Claire

            Really. Well, I am certainly not worried about someone like Limbaugh. Glenn Beck is certainly a better person. I will listen to Beck any day compared to Limbaugh. At far as Obama goes, sure, I am worried. I have worried about every administration. And if you think for one moment I will vote to re-elect him, you are wrong. And I will not vote for a Republican. So find someone else to berate.

          • Joe H.

            Claire,
            I hope and pray that doesn’t mean you WILL vote for a dem!!!!

          • Claire

            Joe H–No, those days are over I believe. I am so burnt out on all politicians right now. I know I harp about all politicians being corrupt, and the people on this site are probably sick of hearing me. Right now, in Illinois we have to elect a new governor. I have got to concentrate on this and the choices so far do not impress me at all. Regarding Illinois, I am to the point where I think it won’t make any difference who gets elected. Blago is crazy and his replacement Quinn is/was a disaster as far as I am concerned, so I sure as heck won’t vote for him. One of the other dems that is running has had some of his aides taking money from the State. The same old story. And of course, third parties are never elected. I will probably vote Republican and I would imagine this time around we will get a Republican governor and he will step into one heck of a mess. I won’t envy him, it will take years to get out of our financial calamity. I am going to volunteer this time to work at the polls. I have been asked numerous times so I am going to give it a shot. I have never seen anything crooked here in my town, the “weird” stuff happens in Chicago. I also think Brown will win Massachusetts. I think that woman thought she had it made. She thought she would be a shoo-in. Well, I don’t think so. Another backfire. You can’t take nothing for granted in politics.

  • Robert

    I would very much like to run for President in 2012. Only thing is I don’t qualify because: I was born in the United States, believe in God, the constitution and the bill of rights, believe that the job is to uphold the constitution and protect the country from foreign attacks and threats, believe in States Rights, believe in hard work, patriotism, serving your country with honor and respect, represent all Americans and listen to their wishes, punish those who would violate the right of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, realized that the money government spends is the American peoples money, provide help to those truly in need and who help themselves. Yeah, too bad I have these immoral and country destroying beliefs. I think I could make a fair President. I guess I’ll just have to stick to being a hard working, over-tax, law abiding, patriotic, unrepresented schmuck in this country I love.

    • J C

      It’ll never fly. :(

  • Rod

    Robert, the problem with being a Patriot is: In Washington they would look at you like you had three heads. The Radical left = by the Govt.
    for the Govt. They have no intention of listening to the people who
    elected them into office. that’s why we have to put them where they
    truly belong, IN THE UNEMPLOYMENT LINE! Scott Brown is a start. Sure
    hope he makes it this week! That will kill the o-bum-a, palosi, reid
    bill. Hope those folks in Massachusetts have gotten the message!

    • Joe H.

      Rod,
      GO BROWN!!!! Kick her libby a$$!!!!

    • usmadgirl

      Rod,

      Unless they put off seating him (Scott Brown) until AFTER they vote of the Health Care HOAX! Of course, that is IF he pulls it off after ACORN & SEIU put their voting fraud touches on the election!

  • Likely_Suspect

    The root problem of the “system” is how it’s funded. The legal fiction that corporations (and other non-corporeal entities) are “persons” for purposes of 1st Adm. political speech needs to be ended. At the time of the Constitution’s drafting, there were few corporations [the most notable being the land grant company established by King George], and the were viewed with some suspicion. Modernly, corporations (and other entities)need to be legal “persons” for contracts, and commercial speech – I could even see making a carve-out for “issue” ads that were at the core of an organization’s purpose [gun rights for the NRA, wilderness protection for Sierra Club, "fair wage" for unions, etc.]. But these entities should not be directly contributing money to fund campaigns. That money should be limited to contributions from living, breathing people, limited to the $2,400 per candidate, and then only to candidates that appear on the ballot of your residency, with disclosure. Does it make any sense that you would spend millions to get a job that pays 100 grand?

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