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Tea Party Joins Protests In Wisconsin, Supports Governor’s Budget

February 23, 2011 by  

Tea Party joins protests in Wisconsin, supports governor's budgetThousands of protesters have convened outside of the Wisconsin State House in recent days to pledge their support for, or opposition to, a bill that would limit the collective bargaining rights of public employees.

According to CNN, Tea Party activists have established their presence in a heated debate that has garnered national attention. Republican Governor Scott Walker has proposed a budget that would increase state workers' contributions to their pensions and health insurance benefits, as well as eliminate some of their bargaining power in contract negotiations.

The proposal has attracted staunch supporters and critics to the State's Capitol building. The news provider reported that approximately 55,000 people staged protests on Feb. 19.

Tea Party members, including the organization Americans for Prosperity, claim that this legislation is necessary to reduce the deficit. They hope that Wisconsin's proposal will serve as a model for other State budgets.

"Wisconsin is ground zero," Tim Phillips, president of Americans for Prosperity, told the media outlet. "I think it is going to determine largely whether the pampered nature of these public employees is finally reigned in."

Democratic State Senators have fled Wisconsin — residing at an Illinois hotel — in order to express their contempt for Walker's bill. The absence of 14 Democrats has prevented the chamber from having the quorum necessary to vote on the budget.

On Fox News Sunday, Walker said that the legislators are not participating in democracy by "hiding out in another State." 

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  • Doc Sarvis

    It was the financial backing of wealthy Tea Party financiers who financed this governor’s election. One of the strings attached was to bust the unions which is why the governor is opposed to compromise. WI’s budget “crisis” does not require this attack on collective bargaining.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Doc… I have followed the Tea Party on a limited basis. I agree with most of what they stand for. I am not aware of who is financing them. Please name names. I am sure I am not the only one who doesn’t know.

      • Doc Sarvis
        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          Doc… I’ll take a look at this when I can… Frankly I don’t know who these people are and I have never heard of them. If they are affiliated with the Tea Party people it isn’t well known.

          • Jana

            Doc Sarvis,
            You call out Koch (Pronounced coke) Brothers like they are a dirty word. One of the brothers ran on the Libertarian Party ticket some years ago.
            My question to you is SO WHAT?
            If I were wealthy I would fund them too!
            The only “crime” here is they are conservatives and not for the leftist communistic liberals who hate America party.
            PRAISE THE LORD that someone is funding them!

          • Jovianus

            Jana…then I take it you don’t lambast Soros and the hyped overblown support he gives to progressive causes or any of the supporters of the Dems and Progressives?

          • Jana

            jovi,
            Then you don’t take it at all.

          • skip

            Robin – where have you been. The Koch brothers have financed almost the entirety of the Tea Party efforts – from soup to nuts. They are amongst the wealthiest of Americans – if you can really call them Americans – and literally buy what they want, largely congress persons, senators, and governors. It is common knowledge, in almost every major rational publication. Research them as carefully and objectively as you can – they are about as ant-American values as can be. They support a nation of the very wealthy employing and exploiting the remainder of us ordinary Americans. Read about them and cry for our nation, believe me.

          • Jana

            Skip,

            The only “crime” here is they are conservatives and not for the leftist communistic liberals who hate America, party.
            PRAISE THE LORD that someone is funding them!

        • JeffH

          Doc, I’ve posted so much on the Koch Bros in the last week and I’m quite sure you’ve read them…if you have the cahones to admit it.

          The Koch’s donate to Freedom Works and The Tea Party Express, far removed from the grassroots Tea Party movement. They have helped with the creation and funding of the Cato Inst. and the Heritage Foundation. It only right to fight fire with fire. Put you liberals and Marxists in a defensive position so I’d have to say that money is well spent.

          It’s only natural that the liberals would hate the Koch Bros. They are the anti-Soros. You guys need someone to demonize…cry, kick and scream all you want. It doesn;t change anything anyway. Most of us are oblivious to your constant whines anyway.

          The problem the progressive Marxists have with the Koch Bros is that they are an enemy to the Marxist/progressive movement in America. As far as I’m concerned, they are spending their money for something I consider worthwhile. They don’t hold a candle to Soros, the SEIU or the AFL/CIO when it comes to funding ideologs like the Democrat Socialist Party and the current Marxist in charge.

          • JC

            Jeff they don’t read anything that isn’t pointing us towards communism.

            The paragraph below describes these anti-Americans to a tee:

            “We are socialists (liberals), we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.”

          • http://att.net joan l mcgrath

            it is all in offshore banksJeffh, Ifyou believe what you said you did not hear the conversation,Walker had planned on tricking the democrats and him playing up to the big money. It is sad that you do not believe in democracy. -The whole thing here is about taking unions and ditching them and denying the working class a chance to bargain, where are your morals? I understand you are all about money and never mind an intelligant debate, this is supposed to be a democracy ,what happened here is pretty much what is going on all over ,GREED AND THE MIDDLE CLASS CAN TAKE THE SCRAPS LEFT OVER FROMTHIS SO CALLED LEADER. AND ALLTHE REST WITH THEIR POWER HUNGRY MINDS. THEY NEED TO BE PITIED NOT LAUGHED AT .What happenswhen there is no money left for the workers, it will be in Swiss accounts or some other hidden bank.

          • JC

            Joan, you think Unions are the answer? Hardly…
            they are as much a part of the problem as the eleitists with the Swiss bank accounts you’ve described. They are out for all they can get and be damned to the taxpayer’s or companies that foot the costs.
            In that regard they are as parasitic as the CEO’s and Politicians who are robbing us blind.
            And Democracy is simply mob rule…or as Ben Franklin termed it:
            “Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch”
            Which is why our Founding Fathers gave us a Free Republic…not a Democracy.

      • meteorlady

        Most liberals will come back with Koch brothers but they have their own organizations that they back. They are the “bad guys” of the liberal world.

        • Bruce D.

          “Two-thirds of the eighth graders in Wisconsin public schools cannot read proficiently according to the U.S. Department of Education, despite the fact that Wisconsin spends more per pupil in its public schools than any other state in the Midwest.”
          Can anyone give a plausible explanation why teachers with statistics this poor should not get a pay cut.

          • Ellen

            Very good question, Bruce. It’s no surprise why it isn’t being asked though.

          • Aix Sponsa

            We’re not in WI. When the 3rd grade teacher sent a note home that was unintelligable, something needed to be done. Our only resort was to move to a private school whose teachers could actually read and write. That public school system is graduating 18 yr olds who are functionally illiterate, a few who have children. Overall the USA is, what, now 46th in the world in educational level. We are just a short stumble from being a 3rd world country.

          • Aix Sponsa

            It’s the great social experiment of the 60s come to fruition.

          • bob wire

            ” Can anyone give a plausible explanation why teachers with statistics this poor should not get a pay cut.”

            I can’t ! but does that by default make the Teacher alone guilty for these low figures?

            Before you make important decisions it’s usually customary to assimilate the “facts” and weigh the data.

            Have you looked any farther into this data that might possible offer us insightful reasons as to why?

            I notice that opening pay for a public school Teacher in Wisconsin is $25,??? something per year. ~ but it been an accepted and known fact few teacher’s teach for the money they might earn in teaching alone.

            In any case, I think you are being a little quick on the trigger Quickdraw.

          • Aix Sponsa

            Bob, don’t you realize that some of those teachers average $80 thousand a year? And the “product” of their “manufacturing” sucks. If they were making clothes that fell apart, would they be still be in the business?

          • Marten

            ”Unions fight accountability” The Teacher Unions is a political and economic Monopoly that is CHOKING the Education System……

        • Jovianus

          probably about the same impact as George Soros has in Progressive circles…right? Except the money and funds the Koch brothers hand out and finance are real and not made up for red meat frenzy by the easily led.

          We can further explore the TP funding if they’d make their lists public. For an organization that says it is for “open and transparent” government, they sure like to hide a lot of stuff.

          • ValDM

            Kind of like the “open and transparent” operations of the current administration? That what you mean?

          • Jana

            Good reply ValDM,

            The ones who were not advertising what they were doing were the Koch brothers and I don’t blame them.
            Whenever your name becomes public and you are wealthy you get all kinds of kooks bothering you for all kinds of donations, real as well as perceived needs etc. Frank Sinatra gave a mother the money to pay for her child’s surgery, and he told her the only thing I require is, don’t tell anyone. At first I thought he was just being modest, until I realized the real reason why.

            Movie stars come out for the Democrats all of the time. Do they report their services as donations and make it public?
            The only reason we have learned about Soros is because people have investigated him. His involvement certainly wasn’t disclosed. Nor the strings attached to his involvement. He owns interest in most of our media and controls the news, that’s why the mains stream media won’t report the truth or do any true investigating unless of course it is against the conservatives.

          • JeffH

            Jovianus, don’t insult our intelligence. Where and when do you want have this little pissing contest over Soros and the Koch boys? The Koch boys couldn’t wear Soros diapers, especially when it comes to destroying the US from within. Go to school and get educated ’cause you don’t have a leg to stand on in this game!

      • TIME

        Robin,

        I can tell you that of all the Tea Party folks as well the 911 groups I have met with over the last few years they are all supported out of their own pocket’s.
        They are all people who “WORK for a living,” also oddly pay TAX’S.
        Wow ~ thats some kind of wild idea!

        Are some of these folks wealthy, yes if one can grasp that those of us who “WORKED” to make a living to support our family’s and even give to Charities.
        Yet have also spent countless hours building our business’s are very sick and tired of wasteful spending by politicians who are doing nothing but “BUYING VOTES” with our TAX Dollars, and whom are they buying these VOTES from? From the VAMPIRES that suck the system dry.

        How can anyone be upset with such behavior?

        So the question is what have these “QUASI LIBERALS” ever done that gave back anything to the nation or their communities?
        The only thing I see that they give back is MOUTH.

        Rather than work; that means even on Holidays, weekends, burning the midnight oil eight days a week, these special bread of “VAMPIRES” would rather sit back and watch the Telie and ROB from those of us who have spent a lifetime acquiring and making our DREAMS come to life.
        Yet we who do are in the eyes of these VAMPIRES not allowed to have what we have, nor do what we do with out giving all to the “Entitlement VAMPIRES.”

        In Athens GA the population of just a tad over 100K 35% are students, 45% are on Public Aid also known as “ENTITLMENT VAMPIRES.” 10% who work for the state, or the School system, Also known as “Sub VAMPIRES”
        Then we have that 10% that either work for themselfs or work for an indepandant small business.
        Thus the facts are very clear, 10% of the population is paying for the rest of the “VAMPIRE” population.

        Whats that say about what condition our Nation is in?

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          Time… Thanks for the information. I have no knowledge of the Koch family, what they do, where they live, or who they are. I didn’t think the Tea Party people were anything but just ordinary hard working Americans who have had enough of big government and give aways.

          • Jovianus

            TP people may be that, but the organization is congtrolled and funded by big monied interests. Do some research and you’ll know that.

          • Jana

            jovi,
            Praise God for these backers! Praise God for someone willing to make a stand against Socialism and Communism!
            Why don’t you investigate the backers of your agendas? You will find corruption, (Soros) manipulation and most of all big ANTI AMERICAN sentiment.
            ACORN, ACLU, CAIR, William Ayers, Valleri Jarrett, Van Jones, Cecila Munoz, and Pelosi just to name a few!

          • mark

            I am Liberal and proud of it. I have gone to a few Tea Party rallies here in Florida and what I have noticed is that the Tea Party members are 99% white and they are scared to death of the minority races becoming the majority in this country. The white race has countrolled this country since the Mayflower and has exploited the minority races since then. The Tea Party members idea of going back to the good old days of expliotation is great if you are white but it is terrible if you are a minority (soon to be majority). The way that the Tea Party members treat Obama is just fueled by Racism.

        • TIME

          Jov,

          I meet these people all the time not a one of these groups are getting funding from anyone. I have given money but what I gave would be a drop in the bucket. Just as familys who are looking to insure that thier kids and grandkids live in a free country thats not been destroyed by “Envious IDIOTS, and Greedy Politicians” who are as you read this BUYING VOTES from the ENVIOUS IDIOTS with MY TAX dollars, or with UNION Pension funds.

          I don’t have to do reserch I am in it up to my neck, as well I give as much of my time and energy as I have the ability to do.
          As I do still work for a living even at age 61, I also have no delusions that I will be working until I die for both my familys well being and this Nations well being.
          I will fight for all that is GOOD and JUST, UNIONS are niether they are no differant than Mafia Thugs.
          Thus armed with the knowledge that most all Union Boss’s are Marxist I need not wonder why there are a problems.

          • Jovianus
          • Warrior

            Interesting how all the marxist socialist supporters show up to display their solidarity with all their nice communist signs. As an American, I wonder what another American is thinking when they allow themselves to become aligned with, supported and finally co-opted by these marxist groups masquarading as sympathetic supporters. Apparently, we are suppose to believe these so called edumacators are bright! One has to wonder.

      • Bruce D.

        The Unions are promoting Union welfare by collectively agreeing that it should be made difficult and costly for teachers with poor job performances to be fired.

        • Aix Sponsa

          Amen. That is the same thing that has been done in most every union organization. Initially unions saved the American worker from being wage slaves and “owing their souls to the company store”, but things have become irrational.

          I remember when the mine workers had a strike to stop a firing of the local union president. The location was a marginally profitable operation. The company said, “Everybody back to work Monday at 8am or the whole place is closed permanently.” Guess what happened.

          • Bruce D.

            Years ago Brown & Shop in RI told had the same problem. The union held firm and the company never opened its door again.
            Who could forget the pilots of Eastern Airlines over 55 years of age who went on strike in sympathy for the mechanics union. Eastern went down and because of their age they could not get a job with any other company.

          • LTCMSCUSAR1

            Back in the sixties, we opened a shipyard in my home town. The Iron workers and the Boiler makers tried to unionize our shop. They failed, but, not before they destroyed employee vehicles with baseball bats. They set a railroad box car on fire to prevent workers going to their jobs. One really gifted idiot put seven rounds from a high powered rilfe inth the shop Electrical transformers housing. One round came less than 1/2 inch of hitting the power control. Had it hit the entire bay front of the city would have been eliminated. Why???

      • ILikeTeaParties

        Only a few tea party organizations have any financial backing. Most are grassroots that collect money in buckets at events to help pay costs. Most want to remain grassroots because they want limited government and don’t want to have government telling them what they can and cannot do.

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        Robin,

        Rep. Michele Bachmann was on a tear: In one of her most fiery stump speeches to date, the tea party leader told a South Carolina audience that the tax code was a “weapon of mass destruction,” that President Obama is “babying” terrorists, that the rich pay too much in taxes, that social issues like marriage and abortion cannot be put on the “back burner,” and that Fox News’ Glenn Beck can solve America’s budget deficit. We need more jokes like Glenn Beck.

        • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

          By Andy Birkey

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          Coal Miner… I am confused. Sounds like she summed things up quite well and then you add that you think Glenn Beck is a joke. Am I missing your sarcasm or do you like her and not him? To each his own, but I happen to think they both are spot on!

        • JC

          And she’s 100% correct on all counts (except the Beck thing) so what’s your point?

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            JC,

            Glenn Beck is a certified nut.

          • JC

            CM that was not an answewr.
            And Beck is actually quite correct.
            You have to be willfully ignorant to miss that.

    • L. Banks

      This is not about busting the Unions…the Unions do that to themselves. This is about the financial troubles facing the State of Wisconsin and for that matter the entire United States or have you not noticed. Our debt is out of control and the Federal Reserve continues to print money, oil is rising yet we cannot drill in our own country to alleviate our problems, and food is getting more and more expensive each visit to the grocery store. So this crisis is affecting all of us and we all have to give up something to remain solvent and viable. The Unions are not immune and in case you did not know it they do NOT have to go under the OBAMACARE. They get better care through the Unions just like the President and the Congress. I will give you a good example. At GE the unions pay little or nothing for premium care while the rest of GE employees have terrible coverage for themselves and their families. GE is losing its brightest engineers and employees as a result. GE is in trouble, but then Obama will certainly help them out since they are have supported him and have been given “favored company status” just see how many “gifts” they have been given by Obama.

      Wisconsin has money problems and everyone bears that burden. If not, the whole state will become unable to pay anything and you will see more riots and problems. Unions are pawns of the Communists and Socialists to bring down this country. Wake up and read history and understand that this country is headed for a crisis and a battle within that will make the Civil War look like a prom. When food becomes in short supply because unions fail to move it; what do you think will happen in the cities and towns of this country? We either work together as citizens and human beings to solve our problems or we fall apart together and someone else will pick up the pieces and we will all be serfs or slaves together.

      • Jovianus

        The budget deficit in Wisconsin was created the past month when the good governor gave away huge tax breaks to Big Business and a health care law which reduced state revenues. The benefits and salary issues he himself created and is now blaming the state unions.

        • meteorlady

          Who did he give money to? Who did he give tax breaks to? Did you know that Texas gives businesses tax breaks? We do this because it creates JOBS. Gads – simple economics.

          The United States has the second highest corporate tax rates in the world today and you think that is conducive to businesses staying here in this country? We business owners are crippled under massive regulation and city, county, state and federal taxes. How long did you think they would stay here and be unprofitable? Until they are bankrupt and no one will invest in their companies anymore?

          • Bruce D.

            “In the National Assessment of Educational Progress tests administered by the U.S. Department of Education in 2009—the latest year available—only 32 percent of Wisconsin public-school eighth graders earned a “proficient” rating while another 2 percent earned an “advanced” rating. The other 66 percent of Wisconsin public-school eighth graders earned ratings below “proficient,” including 44 percent who earned a rating of “basic” and 22 percent who earned a rating of “below basic.”
            A good many of these teachers should be fired, not just a cut in benefits.

          • Jovianus

            Second highest corporate tax rates is a hyped and misleading stat. It doesn’t say anything about the actual rates once the writeoffs, subsidies and credits are calculated in. In reality, our coroproate taxes are among the lowest in the industrialized world.

            As to business needing to be given break after break, lower rates etc. so they can ‘create jobs’. C’mon, not even an eighth grader believes that crap. Locating a factory indeed is determined by how much the company can rape the respective state … but if it doesn’t build in Texas, it will build in Oregon or NC. The factory will be built if the demand for the product is there. It’s called economics.

            Jobs will be created, unless the company takes advantage of the tax breaks and subsidies the GOP Congress gave out in 2001 and ships the jobs overseas.

          • Bruce D.

            Jovianus you really do not have a clue why businesses are leaving some states and going to others do you? It is impossible to keep the tax base high enough to support teachers if businesses are moving to business friendly states like Texas.

        • Disgusted

          You don’t know what you are talking about. Do you even live in Wisconsin? Walker didn’t create this problem, but thanks to those of us who couldn’t wait to vote him into office he is going to fix it. His proposal is spot on and I think all of the Dems that fled the state should be ineligible for office after the end of this term – heck get them out of office right now! No representation is exactly what the constituents are getting from them so what would the difference be. Democrats all over this country should be outraged and ashamed at the behavior these guys are showing.
          Go Governor Walker!!! I hope he tows the line to a WIN!

          • Stone

            I don’t live in WI, but it’s different anywhere. Other state will be faced with the same situation. From what i understand the teachers in WI have agreed to take cuts. They just don’t want their bargaining rights taken from them. I think what needs to happen US wide is consessions need to be made at all levels, city, state and fereral, our taxes afford them the best of the best in medical coverage. This also goes for our elected officials in Washington, it’s time they paid their fair share of medical and freeze all COLAS. I just agree with stripping the unions of being able to bargin.

            Off topic. Social Security. SS is taxed up to the first $100,000 earned. Don’t know about you but i don’t make near that much, so all of my income is taxed for SS. It’s time they raise the limit this would help make SS solvent (all earned income should be taxed beyond 1K),dont’ raise the retirement age. it’s already 70 for those under 55.

          • Bruce D.

            “The test also showed that the reading abilities of Wisconsin public-school eighth graders had not improved at all between 1998 and 2009 despite a significant inflation-adjusted increase in the amount of money Wisconsin public schools spent per pupil each year.”
            Can someone tell me why these teacheers have been getting pay raises and increased benefits all these years? This is what happens when pay increases are not linked to merit. Nothing ever improves. A poor job performance becomes an acceptable way of teaching.

          • CLP

            Let me get this straight. The majority of the people in Wisconsin, vote in a conservative republican governor (who has transparently run on the changes he wants regarding this issue in order to help balance the states budget) He has also aquired a majority of representatives (also voted in by Wisconsin residents) in his state government in order to pass this bill.

            Now the minority democrats leave the state in order to avoid having a quorum and not allow this and to prevent the wishes of the majority of the population of Wisconsin in order to force the will of the minority. Whats wrong with thsi picture?

            Governor Walker should stop the paychecks of any state representative who have run away as they are not working they have left the state. I feel he should also have the right to fire them along with any public employee who called in sick to waste their time in the capitol building.

          • Lee

            My comment is for Stone. I disagree with you that all income should be taxed. I don’t think ANY income should be taxed. We all need to push, and push HARD to have the FairTax passed. This way EVERYONE pays tax, when they buy something. You get to keep all your hard earned money, and so do businesses. Read about it here: http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer
            Talk about jump starting the country…..

          • Larry Owens

            I live in Tn. and I support you, your state and Governor Walker.

            Do NOT give in to these people, fire them ALL.

          • skip

            Bruce – Wisconsin stands number one in the nation in education achievement; it is indeed a pity that number one still means that most of Americans are rather ignorant or at least not willing to be educated. The nature of the thought, grammar, syntax, logic, ration, and knowledge of history, etc., contained in most of these blogs speaks to the sorry state of education in this nation. You might blame the unions, but unionized Wisconsin teachers are getting a number one ranking for their state.

        • Laurie, Haslet, TX

          repeating the LIE to those who KNOW the TRUTH will never it make it true – - GO BACK TO MEDIA MATTERS – they are stupid enough to BELIEVE YOU.

          The deficit is due to the PAST ADMINISTRATION TAX AND SPEND policies and have nothing to do with what has happened in the last 2 months

          Stop THE PROPAGANDA – you are a USEFUL idiot who will be thrown under the bus as soon as you outlive your usefullness. We KNOW that YOU KNOW THIS as well.

          The DEMS and UNIONS are USING their members to DESTROY THIS COUNTRY – its about CORRUPTION of democrats. Neither the UNION leaders or the Democrats CARE ABOUT ANYONE – they just the MILLIONS in DUES fees for themselves.

          • Stone

            Sorry i miss typed in a couple of places but you get my take. I left out don’t is some spots.

          • Bruce D.

            Really these teachers should not have been getting these kinds of pay increases without increasing job performance in some way. They are contributing to a dumbed down society, yet feel entitled to greater benefits and pay.
            “In 1998, according to the U.S. Department of Education, Wisconsin public school eighth graders scored an average of 266 out of 500 on the NAEP reading test. In 2009, Wisconsin public school eighth graders once again scored an average of 266 out of 500 on the NAEP reading test. Meanwhile, Wisconsin public schools increased their per pupil expenditures from $4,956 per pupil in 1998 to 10,791 per pupil in 2008. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics inflation calculator the $4,956 Wisconsin spent per pupil in 1998 dollars equaled $6,546 in 2008 dollars. That means that from 1998 to 2008, Wisconsin public schools increased their per pupil spending by $4,245 in real terms yet did not add a single point to the reading scores of their eighth graders and still could lift only one-third of their eighth graders to at least a “proficient” level in reading.”

          • Jovianus

            There was no deficit budget in Wisconsin until the good governor gave away the bank to Big Business. That is fact. Even the governor admits the tax breaks created the budget deficit he is asking the state employees to pay for. Which they are agreeing to do. What the real issue has been all along is the anti union plan the governor never campaigned on and which he is now refusing to allow debate or public hearings on as any piece of legislation would have done.

            It is not about state worker or teacher pay. It is all about the governor being anti working man and taking away Rights from Americans

        • Jana

          Jovi,

          The budget deficit in Wisconsin was created the past month when the good governor gave away huge tax breaks to Big Business and a health care law which reduced state revenues. The benefits and salary issues he himself created and is now blaming the state unions.

          *******************

          Where do you get this information from? I would like to look it up.

          • Jovianus

            Jana..there are several good sources on this. Here’s one from the Washington post

            http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2011/02/unions_arent_to_blame_for_wisc.html

          • Jana

            Jovi,
            Thank you for the site. I went to it and do understand what you were saying. It is obvious however that the Washington Post is a known left wing paper.

            There was an update to this though at the bottom of the page and it read in part:
            “Update: I’ve been persuaded that the surplus-to-deficit picture is more complicated that I initially understood. The budget report is working with two time periods simultaneously: 2010-2011, and then 2011-13. The $130 million deficit now projected for 2011 isn’t the fault of the tax breaks passed during Walker’s special session, though his special session created about $120 million in deficit spending between 2011 and 2013 — and perhaps more than that, if his policies are extended.”

            What Gov. Walker is trying to do is create jobs. I also remember Obama telling us that EVERYONE would need to sacrifice. (Except him of course). At any rate, the teachers have conceded to pay more in their retirement and health insurance, which is only right at this time.
            I do not like collective bargaining. Its the same thing as collective grades in school. The student that does not deserve to be passed on to the next grade gets passed anyway, right along with the exceptional students. This is wrong.
            At this point they cannot fire an inept teacher due to collective bargaining, so they have a lot of baggage. This simply has to change.

        • L. Banks

          As many have stated the reason the Governor has created tax incentives for businesses is to encourage them to come to Wisconsin or to remain in Wisconsin. This helps out all the tax payers because these companies employ people and give them jobs. They also create more opportunities to encourage more growth in the business sector. You may not really understand that most businesses really do pay a lot in taxes. Ask to see their business statesments to see that it is more than most taxpayers pay. If businesses leave Wisconsin and many are leaving all over this country seeking places to maximize their earnings and growth, than where do people go for jobs? The state? This is the tragedy of this country. Right now the government has more jobs than the private sector and it will lead to our downfall people…Wake Up. The government gives and the government takes away. Have you become so dependent upon the government or unions to fix all your problems, you just wait for them to do it? This is socialism and if you want to give up your individual freedom you are already drinking the koolaid. The one world government is based upon encouraging people to become so dependent upon the government to fix their problems that when a crisis occurs, they riot and steal and rob and kill…people are then so willing to accept a new way, a new government to restore peace that they will give away their freedom. This is what is happening now all over this world. You have a good example in Wisconsin. The problem with unions is the project retirement demands with the projected medical demands which will kill the state and the taxpayers. It is what is happening in Illinois, California and NY…They will not bargain and they are backed by the left…heavily including know socialists and communist organizations. (Stanley Gacek, the AFL-CIO Labor attorney who worked since 1981 with Luis Ignacio Lula da Silva the marxist leader of Brazil; or John Sweeney former President of the AFL-CIO who is and has been a card carrying DSA (Democratic Socialist) and be sure to check on all the communist reports in the various states are saying about the Wisconsin). Perhaps a little piece from Engels will help:

          The aim of the International Working Men’s Association, in the eyes of Marx, was not only to unite the trade unions for daily struggles and international cooperation. The trade unions, of course, achieved primary importance because they represented the direct class activity of the working class. The real aim was to work for the political unification of the international working class movement in the struggle for social emancipation – political organisation of the working class. It was arrived at by focusing on organisation which, in the words of Engels, “would demonstrate bodily, so to speak, the international character of the socialist movement, both to the workers themselves and to the bourgeois and to the Governments-for the encouragement and strengthening of the proletariat, for striking fears into the hearts of its enemies.” (Selected Works, vol. 3, page 82). To achieve this purpose it was necessary to pay close attention to the trade union movement.

          Also if you remember the Communist Revolution started with unrest, riots, deposing the Tsar, followed by control of the government by provisional government of the Dumas and then the military took control and then the Communists took control. Sound familiar?

        • Doug

          Jovianus are you a parrot because you sure sound like one! Repeating the same union lies as all the union idots and dead beats who are protesting in Wisconsin being paid by the unions. I bet the money they have spent on these people would take care of the problem. Do yourself a favor and learn to read something other than the communist manifesto!

          • Jovianus

            Actually Doug, I have read the Communist Manifesto. Have you? I’ve also read the writings of Hobbes, Locke, Socrates, Aristotle, Plato, Machiavelli, Voltaire, Adam Smith, Paine, Hamilton, Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, Lincoln, Boornstin, Banfield, Twain, Lewis, Sinclair, and the writings of a few other historians and philosophers.

          • Bruce D.

            All good Marxist read Machiavelli. It is the only way an ideology like that can be pushed onto a productive populous and it the strategy behind all the class warfare.

        • eddie47d

          In the case in Wisconsin those tax breaks did not create jobs yet the Governor ducked and covered and swept it under the union rug. Very wrong!

          • Jana

            eddie,
            Read my reply above to jovi at 4:28. I went to the site jovi gave me and there is a referenced paragraph that says the Governor is NOT responsible for the current debt.

        • JC

          Jovianus says:
          February 23, 2011 at 8:25 am
          The budget deficit in Wisconsin was created the past month when the good governor gave away huge tax breaks to Big Business and a health care law which reduced state revenues. The benefits and salary issues he himself created and is now blaming the state unions.

          _____________________________________________________________________

          Wow! All states have been running at a deficit for decades. That’s the beauty of a keynesian system with endless money printing…but you say it happened in the last month?

          You take being a complete moron to new heights! ;)

      • Aix Sponsa

        My solution: Ask the unions for a list of 20,000 volunteers to be unemployed, to be submitted to the governor by Friday at noon or on Monday start throwing a darts at lists of names. Too harsh?

      • ILikeTeaParties

        It is partially about getting the unions out of public sector because they never should have been there in the first place. Unions originally needed a bargaining power to help them get more of the profits they were helping companies generate–not so in public sector. It is all taxpayer money and union and governments do not generate profits for anyone.

        • william wedesweiler

          Public sector employees are bankrupting our country with their great benefits, they don’t pay for medical, job security no fire, raises every year, no criteria for job performance. Public sector employees receive 50% or greater salaries than private sector employees of same type of wprk.

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        JC,

        Not an answer?Here was what old nutty Glen Beck said.

        Beck on being a white Christian who “loves America”: “I just can’t win”

        http://mediamatters.org/items/200704020010

        On the April 2 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Glenn Beck claimed that “onservatives get no respect” and asserted that he “can’t win” because he is “American[],” “white,” “Christian,” and “conservative.” He said: “f you are a white human that loves America and happens to be a Christian, forget about it, Jack. You are the only one that doesn’t have a political action committee for you.” He also said: “I mean, I was talking about it with my family yesterday. I said, ‘I’m tired of being the least popular person in the world,’ ” adding, “We’re Americans. Nobody likes Americans. We’re Americans, so the world hates us. But then inside of America, we love America — and that’s becoming more and more unpopular.” Beck also said that being “Christian[]” is “not popular anymore” and went on to say, “I’ve got to find one thing that I agree with the rest of the world on, I guess. I’m tired of being in that group.”

        In addition to his daily radio show, Beck hosts an evening program on CNN Headline News and has been hired as a commentator for ABC’s Good Morning America.

        From the April 2 edition of Premiere Radio Networks’ The Glenn Beck Program:

        BECK: I mean, I was talking about it with my family yesterday. I said, “I’m tired of being the least popular person in the world.” I said look at our family. We’re Americans. Nobody likes Americans. We’re Americans, so the world hates us. But then inside of America, we love America — and that’s becoming more and more unpopular. So, we’re not popular with Americans.

        Then we’re Christians. That’s not popular anymore. But not only are we Christians, we’re Mormons. So, we’re not even liked by the Christians. I just — I’m white. I’m human. There are a lot of environmentalists that don’t like humans, but within the humans that accept humans, I’m white.

        The majority of humans don’t like whites. I mean, I just can’t win. You can’t win. And why is it? Because if you are a white human that loves America and happens to be a Christian, forget about it, Jack. You are the only one that doesn’t have a political action committee for you.

        God forbid, I forgot that I’m also a conservative. I’m a conservative, which is not popular in America, but I’m a conservative that doesn’t like the Republicans. I can’t win! I’ve got to find one thing that I agree with, you know, the rest of the world on, I guess. I’m tired of being in that group. Conservatives get no respect.like I said he is a certified nut.

    • Lastmanstanding

      DS. The Tea party is funded by everyday Americans like myself. Some have more money than others to give. Be advised, “We are not going away.”

      • Doc Sarvis

        I didn’t tell you to go away.

        • Lastmanstanding

          Thanks Doc, because in the end you will need us for your survival. Please look at history, it has already revealed what can happen.

        • Bruce D.

          Teachers are too full of themselves and it is getting totally out of control. Other States are being asked to foot much of the bill for these over paid teachers.
          “In fiscal 2008, the federal government provided $669.6 million in subsidies to the public schools in Wisconsin.”

      • Teresa

        This is only MORE PROOF for everyone to wake up!!!

        http://www.puppet99.com/?p=1

        Wikileaks Is A Rothschild Operation: Rothschilds Use Wikileaks To Wound Rival Bank, Julian Assange’s Bail Posted By Rothschilds’ Sister-in-law

        • Bruce D.

          I never liked that guy from day one. To me whistle blowing is a valuable service to everyone but airing dirty laundry just for the sake of airing dirty laundry serves no purpose other than to cause people to be at each others throats for using poor judgment or a poor use of words.

    • spitfire

      I have sat and watched as the UNIONs have sucked this country dry. We as a nation can no longer afford the UNIONs. They have all become large money grubbing gangs. IF any of you ever had the displeasure of supervising UNION workers, then you know the truth.

      • Christin

        spitfire,
        You are right.

        Unions = (legal) gangs, but Gangs non-the-less…aka bullies.

      • Jovianus

        I know…I know…we rose to having the highest standards of living any society ever realized in the history of the world, took on the Soviets and Communist China, and became the leader of the world economically and politcally…all despite unions. Uh huh … right. Sure …

        There is no correlation between the decline of our standards of living beginning in the 80′s and the anti union sentiment the GOP and Big Business has hyped and you bought into. Nope. No correlation at all.

        And the most prosperous states are union states and the poorest states are anti union states. Nope..no correlation at all.

        • ValDM

          I went to school in the 50′s and 60′s. Quite frankly, I have a better education than current college graduates. This was done before teacher became unionized. As for union states being more prosperous than non-union states, you’re again wrong. Texas speaks volumes about your theory. BZZZZZZZZZZZ. Wrong answer, try again.

          • Jovianus

            Val…i’ve been to Texas. Not my idea of paradise. Texas is like California.. both akin to a breakfast cereal. A few fruits, a few nuts, the rest are flakes.

          • Jana

            jovi,
            It would take a breakfast cereal to know a breakfast cereal.

          • JC

            Unions have had their day and are no longer productive. They have
            become a communist and cotrolling entreprise based on an unreasonable greed unto themselves…and screw everybody else.
            They are as bad or worse than any other monopoly that refuses to enter into the animaterd contest of “free enterprise”.

    • meteorlady

      Who are these “wealthy tea party backers”?

      • Doc Sarvis

        Check out my previous post on this thread.

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          Doc… What previous post? I asked the same question and you didn’t answer it! Are you posting under a different name?

          • Doc Sarvis

            I just saw that the post I referred to is being reviewed by the site moderator. That post has a label saying; “Your comment is awaiting moderation.”

          • Jovianus

            LOL…nope. No censorship by the Conservatives. Transparent and open debate. uh huh

          • Jana

            jovi,
            I have had the same thing happen to me and I am a conservative. the reason for mine was I had copied and pasted several things and I guess they needed to make sure it was all right to use the material on this site.

          • libertytrain

            Jana – things like that seem to automatically be put to needs approval. Particularly if there are more than one link.

      • ILikeTeaParties

        It doesn’t matter who the wealthy are that support the tea parties. Doesn’t the progressive movement get most of its money from Soros and and other liberal men of great wealth? Isn’t it the unions that support the liberal candidates with money they get from people who are forced to be in unions in order to get a job in non-right-to-work states?

    • meteorlady

      So still no names? How about George Soros backing Obama through the senate and then onto the Presidency? Is that a good thing because I think Soros is one of the most evil and sick men in the world today. If I was terribly religious I would think he was the anit-Christ.

      • Ted Crawford

        Does anyone else find it disgusting that George Soros, a Jew who aligned himself with the Nazis against his own Race during WWII! Finds it okey to compare Gov. Walker and the Wisconsin Republican party to those same people he once supported?

        • Ellen

          Ted, as much as I despise Soros, that detail is perhaps not true. I think others have made the observation that Soros was a child when he would have been collaborating against his people. He’s a skank for sure.

          • ValDM

            Not untrue. he was 14.

          • Jana

            Ellen,

            This comes from keywiki .com
            It says that they were trying to hide that he was a Jew and put him with a phony grandfather with phony papers.

            “While hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews were being transported to death camps,” reports the Sweetness & Light website, “George Soros accompanied his phony godfather on his appointed rounds, confiscating property from the Jews.” (Many years later — in December 1998 — a CBS interviewer would ask Soros whether he had ever felt any guilt about those circumstances. Soros replied: “[T]here was no sense that I shouldn’t be there, because that was — well, actually, in a funny way, it’s just like in markets — that if I weren’t there — of course, I wasn’t doing it, but somebody else would — would — would be taking it away anyhow. And it was the — whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away. So the — I had no role in taking away that property. So I had no sense of guilt.” Soros has repeatedly said that 1944 was the best year of his life.

            I honestly don’t think this man has a conscience. He is just evil.

    • Terry

      I have been involved with several TEA Parties and NONE of them collect dues or require a fee for membership. They do allow for donations if one cares to donate. I don’t know how you can say that they send BIG MONIES to support causes. It is the individual who is standing for their CONSTITUTIONAL VALUES who sends monies to support causes and candidates of their choosing unlike the Unions who mandate that their members vote and support causes and candidates even if they don’t agree with Union choices. So who are the Kool-Ade drinkers???

    • Bruce D.

      It does not surprise me Doc Sarvais supports union Fascism against the will of the voters.

    • http://LibertyAlert Bud

      Public sector employees are protected by civil service laws, and should not be coerced into union membership. Property owners are being forced to be liable for extreme union contracts with the public sector and they have no representation during the contract meetings. All states should prohibit unionizatin of public workers.

      • Ted Crawford

        I find it interesting that even the progressives Icon FDR understood the danger of a unionized public sector!

      • Bruce D.

        Property tax has doubled and tripled over the last ten years. Senior citizens are being taxed out of their homes so these teachers can get cushy benefits.

        • eddie47d

          There was no Sharp rise in collective bargaining by unions in 2006-07,no major reforms of labor laws or how unions organize.Yet State budgets collapsed anyway. The unions didn’t create the lost revenues from the recession. So blame the banks or global capital flow or hedge fund managers or lax regulations on Wall Street or within Mortgage institutions. That is where the trouble came from not unions. In that same period including now there have been almost no wage or benefit increases for working America. Yet CEO pay and bonuses went through the roof so stop blaming the unions. Talk about the Right creating a crises and keeping it from going to waste.This is a big one.

          • Bruce D.

            Wake up Eddie. People have to pay a lot of money for the government privilege of living in their own home. Teachers pay and benefits should be in line with the private sector. Government workers can work 30 years and retire with more money than many in the private sector make. I do not know about Wisconsin but a Florida fire chief retired at 52 with 30 years in. He received $450,000 in one lump some and $60,000 for the rest of his life. If I remember correctly you said you made $32,000 but I am not sure. He said in the newspaper the huge amount of his retirement forced him into early retirerment.

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            eddie47d’
            Don’t forget George Scab Bush and Dick slimy Cheney.They are followers of Ronald Turn Coat Reagan.

    • john boy

      how can it be the rich tea party supporting the gov.?we are each one person acting alone/no group to send money to.

    • marvin

      Doc Sarvis
      and who is backing the unions smart man, obama dembocrats liberals illegals,their is no reason for anyone working for the public to make more then their employers,99.9% of the time work do your job and you won,t get fired

    • Bonnie

      Doc…If The right to work was passed in all state governments, public employees could decide to join or not – Use the money myself or give it to the union bosses to spend? No contest!!!

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        Bonnie.. I have to agree! I worked for A & P, a grocery chain about 25 years ago. I had to pay union dues and I only worked 10 hours a week! I wasn’t given a choice. If I wanted the job I had to pay! Never again!

    • Doug

      Doc how can you call it colletive bargaining when they fill the demorats pockets with cash and then ask them to vote for a raise in wages or benefits. That is crap how about we get 10 citizens who are tax payers and not part of a union and have them do the bargaining! You can’t sit on both sides of the table and bargain! There should not public unions period!

    • wandamurline

      Are you kidding? Wake up fella…our country is broke…the federal union workers are paid by us broke tax payers and they are paid a higher wage than their employers…the tax payers. I have to pay 50% of my insurance premium, and 50% of my retirement…that is I pay into the system and if I stay long enough, the company will match what I have put in after I vest which is 10 years…if I leave earlier than 12 years, then my retirement is calculated on a percentage of how many years I have worked here…and nothing is paid by the employer until after I have been here for at least five years. Of course no retirement checks until after 60 or if I leave early I can roll over into an IRA or take the money and pay the penalties…10% to the feds plus income tax. So, you want me to feel sorry for these people who are benefit fat cats? Don’t think so.

    • Jovianus
    • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

      Doc Sarvis

      “Although many of her Republican colleagues were elected to the House, Christine O’Donnell ended up underneath it, with her feet curled up.” –Jimmy Kimmel

      “Christine O’Donnell lost her election by 20 percent. In a brief concession speech, she said ‘I’m melting.’” –Craig Ferguson

      “Christine O’Donnell, after losing her election in Delaware, said ‘Our voices were heard.’ In your head, lady.” –David Letterman

      “Pundits say Christine O’Donnell’s political career may be over, but she still has six months as a punchline.” –David Letterman

      “Christine O’Donnell released a commercial in which she says, ‘I’m not a witch.’ That’s pretty good, though not as effective as her opponent’s slogan, ‘I’m not Christine O’Donnell.’” –Jimmy Fallon

      “Today we found out that a third college Christine O’Donnell said she attended has no record of ever knowing her. I’m starting to wonder if she ever really went to Hogwarts.” —Bill Maher

      “Delaware Senate candidate Christine O’Donnell said recently that Hollywood needs to re-evaluate what they’re doing because movies these days are all filled with gay sex and extramarital affairs. And I thought, ‘Have fun in Congress then.’” –Craig Ferguson

      “Delaware Senate candidate Christine O’Donnell is taking criticism because she once said she dabbled in witchcraft. Yeah, everyone is talking about this. O’Donnell was like, ‘If one more person claims I’m a witch, I will take legal action against them and their little dog, too!’” –Jimmy Fallon

      “Christine O’Donnell is behind, but I don’t think it’s the witch stuff. I think it’s because of her anti-masturbation stance. She’s very serious about that, and you know people in Delaware are going, ‘Come on, I live in Delaware, what else am I suppose to do?’” –Bill Maher

      “Republican Senator Tom Coburn said yesterday that Christine O’Donnell, if elected, will be able to combat the stupidity in Washington. So I guess they’re going to fight fire with fire.” —Jay Leno

      “You know this Tea Party candidate, Christine O’Donnell is causing a lot of controversy with her kind of unorthodox views. She’s come out against masturbation. You know what that means? She’s out of touch with those voters who are in touch with themselves.” –Jay Leno

      “More problems for candidate O’Donnell. It seems she canceled all her Sunday talk show appearances after a video surfaced her on Bill Maher’s TV show where she admitted she once dabbled in witchcraft. So, apparently, she is pro-dabbling, but anti-diddling.” –Jay Leno

      “Christine O’Donnell says that she once had a date on a satanic altar? Well, who hasn’t?” –David Letterman

      “Christine O’Donnell looks a lot like Sarah Palin, and you know what that means, more work for Tina Fey.” –David Letterman

      “Sarah Palin tweeted a warning to Christine O’Donnell that the national media is seeking her destruction. That is ridiculous. If the media wanted to destroy her, they would just douse her with water.” –Craig Ferguson

      “Nation, I’ve have been a diehard supporter of Delaware Republican Senate Christine O’Donnell ever since I learned of her existence last week. She is a dynamic, conservative Christian who believes masturbation is adultery. And fellas she’s single and will condemn you for masturbating. The total package.” –Stephen Colbert

      “In Delaware, former Republican governor Mike Castle was defeated by Sarah Palin favorite Christine O’Donnell. Nobody knows what this woman does for a living, if anything. All we do know is that she’s gone on the record to oppose masturbation, for real. I have a feeling Christine O’Donnell opposes masturbation the same way Bristol Palin opposes pre-marital sex.” –Jimmy Kimmel

      “Democrats are calling Christine O’Donnell ‘the Sarah Palin of the East.’ Really? She’s a loud, emotionally unstable woman from Delaware. That’s not Sarah Palin, that’s Joe Biden.” –Craig Ferguson

      “I’m not a political person. I keep to myself. I’m not one to get involved in these things. I’m not proud to say I’ll stand by as our leaders drag us into wars based on false pretenses. I’ll stand by while our oceans are polluted by greedy corporations who only care about money. I’ll stand by while our military blatantly discriminates against our own armed forced based on their sexual preferences. But I’ll tell you something. When our right to masturbate is threatened, that’s where I draw the line. What goes on between me in my own bedroom, and car sometimes, is my business, not the government’s.” –Jimmy Kimmel

      “So listen up, Christine O’Donnell — and Rosie O’Donnell too while we’re at it — we need to send a message to Washington, people. This November, I want everyone who believes in basic human rights to touch themselves in the voting booth. I want to say this to Christine O’Donnell. I want you and your followers to know one thing: you’ll take away this penis when you pry it out of my cold, dead hands.” –Jimmy Kimmel

      “She hates masturbation, which is ironic, because she owes her nomination to a bunch of jackoffs.” –Bill Maher

      “She said that during the primary, ‘I heard the audible voice of God, and he said one word: ‘credibility.’ Which is interesting, because she has no job, there’s a lien placed on her home, and she’s using campaign funds for her living expenses. Her platform is about bringing fiscal responsibility to Washington, but God said ‘credibility.’ I think what God should have said was, ‘Shut up and get a vibrator.’” –Bill Maher

      “Christine O’Donnell won a huge upset, but she’s got some problems. Even though she is a Republican, Karl Rove has accused her of lying. Let me tell you something, when the guy who told 300 million Americans there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq says you’re lying, he knows what he’s talking about.” –Jay Leno

      “A lot of people love this woman. In the last 24 hours she’s raised more than $1 million. Which I think is ironic, because she’s against masturbation, but she’s taking money hand over fist.” –Craig Ferguson

      “She is against masturbation. Frankly, I don’t think it’s any of her business what I do in the privacy of that voting booth. This is America, once you close that little curtain, you should be able to pull any lever you want.” –Jay Leno

      Jon Stewart (after showing a clip of O’Donnell saying, “You’re gonna be pleasing each other and if he already knows what pleases him and he can please himself, then why am I in the picture?”): “You’re in the picture, my dear, because as Oscar Wilde once said, ‘I can’t reach it with my mouth.’”

      “Her detractors say she’s homeless, jobless, and can’t pay her taxes. And her supporters say, ‘Finally, someone who represents the average American.” –Bill Maher

      “I don’t know a lot about Christine O’Donnell, but she has some interesting views. She has come out against masturbation. And you thought the war on drugs was unwinnable.” –Jay Leno

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      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        Doc,

        Anti-Tea Party Jokes

        I think the Tea Party people has a sense of humor,look who they nominated, Christine O’Donnell.They got tired of being laugh at.

      • JC

        Well aren’t you the clever boy? Using comedians to make ..what? a point? These people make their living poking fun at the events of the day…and you think they can be taken seriously? Hardly.

    • http://googlechrome.com Raymond Babcock

      our president has increased spending by 11’000 percent that is just crazy all of the states are broke fire them all some one will be glad to take these jobs

    • BUD

      TREAT THE PUBLIC WORKERS AND THE DEMO POLITICIANS THAT FLED TO ILLINOIS JUST LIKE REAGAN DID TO THE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS.
      FIRE THEM AND REPLACE THEM. THERE ARE OTHERS JUST WAITING FOR THOSE JOBS.

    • smoothnu

      “one of the strings attached was to bust the unions” Doc are there anything else that you would like to add to make your case sound a little better? You clearly have pulled this out of your butt. You know a good product will sell itself, but bullshit needs to be dolled up a little. I’m guessing that is why you threw in the union busting part.

  • s c

    Now that Americans know what Democrats really mean when they talk about ‘bipartisanship’ and ‘working together,’ the good people of Wisconsin must return the favor and put weasel Democrats in their place – out of a job.
    Childish is a polite way to describe what the “legislators” have done in Wisconsin. When they don’t get their way, they run and hide. They believe they must be treated better than everyone else. They think taxpayers aren’t giving them what they “deserve.” ‘More’ is never enough for those social engineering thieves.
    Let those arrogant abusers stay in Illinois. If the state legislators in Indiana and Ohio do what those Wisconsin abusers did, let them run to other states, BUT let they STAY. Force them to resign. Con artists deserve NOTHING, and elected con artists deserve nothing less than the public’s wrath.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      s c… Indiana is in the same boat as Wisconsin. The Dems have left the building! I hear they are either holed up locally, or are in Illinois or Kentucky.
      What I don’t understand is how they can simply walk away from their job. What if a receptionist didn’t want to greet a certain client she knew was coming in on a certain day so she just decided to stay home? What if the paperboy would rather go to a movie than deliver papers? What if a visiting nurse went shopping instead of visiting the patient she was assigned to? What if a carpenter blew off a job because the weather was nice and fishing sounded better than working? What if a storm took out electricity at a hospital and the crew decided the job was too big and they didn’t want to mess with it? How many of these and anyone else in similar situations will still have jobs? These cowards are not setting a good example and there should be laws in place to rid the states of such low life!

      • Jovianus

        Actually Robin, they are doing their job. They are repesenting the good people of Wisconsin by refusing to allow bad legislation passing which would attack, hinder, and deny rights to bargain as a unit. Passing this legilation is bad policy, bad law, and forwards the interests of a minority few at the expense of the state and its residents.

        • Robin from Arcadia, IN

          Jo… Not in my book. You don’t show up for work but keep your job and still get paid you are not performing your job and you don’t deserve any one to say that you do! I have never had a position where I could just leave and come back when I wanted to. I am not paid to do that, and they shouldn’t be either! This is as bad as the unions are!

        • Patriot

          As I understand our political process the good people of Wisconsin voted out the legislators that got them into this financial mess for better fiscal and personal responsibility people. The majority of the people have spoken and they wanted change, so the answer is to run and hide instead of an honest debate and vote on the bill. The minority are the teachers and the unions, the rest of us wan sound fiscal responsibility by all. The unions care nothing about the people, kids, etc. It is all about the dues and collecting for the monopoly that they are, it is un-American to force people to pay for something they do not believe. The Unions are fighting for their lives, lets’ hope that our politicians have enough backbone to see this to resolution. Fire them all there are plenty of people willing and able take all the public employees jobs, have you heard that we are nearly 20% under employment. For our kid’s sake, fire all the political hacks inside the NEA and defund the Dept. of Education they have failed us! Hey, unions Welcome to the Great Recession!

        • Christin

          Jovianus,

          Running and hiding across state lines … is doing one’s job… wow, you must have a lousy work ethic.

          Most of us would be FIRED if we failed to show up and perform that which we are paid to do.

          If the Socialist Demos want to vote NO, then show up to work in WI and do so. They are NOT being paid to Represent Illinois!

          And I might add the Teachers who have LEFT their posts to protest, acquired FALSE physician notes, abandoned teaching their students so they can graduate to the next grade, and faulted on their Teacher’s CONTRACT to BE AT WORK to teach should face penalties as well … and the school districts should look for Teachers who want to WORK (appreciate a job in this down turned economy) and educate the children of WI.

          And I am not against Teachers because that is my profession as well (though I am at home raising children)!

          I am not for Unions that TAKE fees out of Teachers’ paychecks to promote Progressive agendas and Leftist Candidates.

          I am NOT for Unions that TAKE MONEY from the TAX PAYERS to give cushy pensions and pay much of the healthcare (than the national average and Private sector) that will COLLAPSE EVERY state in America.

          It is about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY and about LOVING your COUNTRY and your COUNTRYMEN… you can’t do that if you are sucking up the TAX payers income for YOUR OWN lavish benefits and also giving it to CORRUPT Union Bosses that We The People can NOT afford.

          Good people of America know this.

        • meteorlady

          JO – I cannot believe you can even think that argument is valid? Do you really? Really? Geez, they are cowards, unable to stand up and intelligently debate the issue. They are not representing the people that elected them by hiding in a hotel room ordering room service. They are representing themselves and the people that finance their election campaigns.

          • Jovianus

            No debate or public hearing is being offered. No committee hearings, no public testimoy, nothing. The only chice is to excercise the Right not to be present and to represent the people in preventing bad legilsation to be shoved through without opportunity for pubic debate and hearings.

            You should be asking yourself, if the governor has the support of the People, why doesn’t he allow committee hearings and pubic testimony?

        • Don

          W T H are you talking about?? The people of Wisconsin elected this Governor and a majority of Republicans to do just what they’re doing. If what you and these cowardly Democrats wanted was the same as what the majority wanted, your socialists would still be in office. What these union thugs are trying to do is to undo the results of a free and open election. The gravy train is out of steam!

          • Jovianus

            Then why doesn’t the good governor want public hearings and testimony on the legislation? If what he and you claim is true, then public hearings and testimony would be appropriate wouldn’t you think?

            So ask yourself…why won’t he allow such to be held?

          • Jana

            Tell me jovi,
            Why didn’t the good Democrats want public hearings on the Health Care Bill?

          • Jana

            The Democrats want it their way or not at all.
            You never saw the Republicans run away.

        • Disgusted

          Once again you have no idea what you are talking about.
          Doing their jobs? They are hiding like little children who don’t want to eat their vegetables! Their behavior is horrible and there should be consequences for it.

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            Jana,

            Who called for comprehensive health reform legislation during in a State of the Union address in 1974, a program that was well to the left of what either Bill Clinton or Barack Obama ultimately proposed? That would be Richard Nixon.

        • Laurie, Haslet, TX

          YOU LIBS just don’t get it.

          No they are NOT representing the MAJORITY of taxpayers/voters who are IN FACT – NON-UNION.

          They are supporting the UNIOINS 100% over the average citizens. The MAJORITY want these measure the Govenor is putting in place – that the UNIONS refused to EVEN CONSIDER . ITS OUR MONEY – NOT YOURS and YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO IT..

          When its TAXPAYERS money – the TAXPAYERS have to be the ones they LISTEN to
          If you are NOT GOING TO BE HONEST ABOUT THE SITUATION – please go away

          • bob wire

            “If you are NOT GOING TO BE HONEST ABOUT THE SITUATION – please go away”

            Just how honest are you permitting yourself to be and would you consider taking your own advise?

            While you will find no argument with me about about the disparity in wages earners and that many are being over paid. Do you believe taking money from the middle is going to solve these current crises we face?

            You know they are not the ones engaging in hedge funds investments, hiding off shore savings, using Swiss banking accounts don’t you? You know they are not the ones using a team of attorneys and room full of CPA to avoid paying any taxes don’t you? You know they are the ones less likely to spend US dollars in other places beside their own state don’t you?

            One exception of course

            In fact, this FAT MIDDLE CLASS is at the core of Arizona’s problems today. ~An over paid middle class from the north peaked out in their productive years and moved to Arizona where property was dirt cheap, labor was dirt cheap and the weather kind to their old bones. It was there they were to live out the Fall of their years on a handsome “fixed” income.

            Who could have guessed the biggest employer of the state would be the STATE? Who would have guess taxes would rise? Who would have guess that national boundaries would be fortified in other state and leaving weak spots in the state of Arizona, creating a corridor for illegal immigration to pass though? Who’s to think unrest in Mexico would trigger such an influx of illegal fleeing for comfort and safety, stressing social service and government coffers?

            If these people had not been paid so well, they stayed home and sucked up the hard time like the rest of us.

            Today, these unions are offering up wage and pension concessions, so it sound to me like you have won.

            But that don’t seem to be enough I suppose as there seems to be a strong desire to push yet harder. That you have achieved your intended goal is not enough? ~

            At this point, I am question your intent, integrity and what you are calling the truth.

            yea! you have won! Good for us! ~ but if you continue to pushing this, your winning will be lost in the fight. ~ and what was the fight all about? ~ I’ve now forgotten!

            Oh Yea! money and the lack of it!

        • Ted Crawford

          So is it fair to say that you would have supported the Republicans in the U.S. House and Senate had they left the country during the battle over the Affordable Care Act? I think not, nor would most of us. They did the job we ask them to do. They stood and fought for what was right, yes they lost but they did the job they were paid to do!

          • Jovianus

            Ted…if the good governor held public hearings and testimony as was the case with Health Care Reform, and allowed committee hearings and write ups..then it would be a different matter wouldn’t it.

            So ask yourself, why doesn’t the good governor want public hearings and tstimony on the legilsation?

          • Jana

            jovi,
            Public hearing? Are you kidding? Where were these PUBLIC hearings? Behind closed doors!
            So much for the integrity of the Obama administration and his Democrats.

        • marvin

          Jovianus
          fact less then 12 million union member fact over 300 million people in U.S fact gm and cry went broke from the unions all federal emp make more then same job in private ,fact union give billions to the dems, fact unions have more access to the white house, then any other private citizen,and yes unions are private and should have no more say then you or i,yes i was in the union for over 10 years and all they get done is run up the cost of any thing they are involved in and yes i have worked for goverment at the county level with out unions and made a living,

        • JC

          Jovianus says:
          February 23, 2011 at 8:01 am
          Actually Robin, they are doing their job. They are repesenting the good people of Wisconsin by refusing to allow bad legislation passing which would attack, hinder, and deny rights to bargain as a unit.
          ______________________________________________________________

          Yeah…a communist blood sucking “unit”.

      • spitfire

        It all goes to show that Democrats and most politicians are not worth the the paper their name is printed on. They simply do not work for us, only themselves, and their bank account.

    • marvin

      s c
      not just wi but indiana dems are hiding in illinois, my way of thinking if you have a job and you are not at work you need to be fired by a recall vote,the american voters are sick and tired of the childish games the liberals play with are country,by saying if i don,t get my way i won,t play here in alabama we kicked just about ever dem out after over 100 years of them in power,last election and we are a right to work state

    • ValDM

      I’ve said this before, and I’ll say it again: the day they walked out, the day after I would be circulating brand-new petitions to have them recalled. Bet that would either get them home, or out of a job. Anybody in WI. want to try this out?

    • wandamurline

      Eight years ago, the Democratic congressmen in Texas decided to do the same thing and flee to Oklahoma. The people of Texas did not forget what they did and when election time came up this year…even the Republican elists of our town who actually made an advertisement for the Democrat of 13 years…he got fired. He was replaced by a conservative African American school teacher who knows the constitution because he teaches it from a little town the size of a postage stamp. Everyone said that we could not get the Democrat tossed out, but we hit the ground door to door, handed out brochures, did phone banks, and got financial support from the local Republican chapter…and holy smokes, we did removed the entrenched Demorat. That just goes to show you that if the people actually get the real truth they will make the right decision…problem is the Democrats and Unions lie with every breath, and the flaming liberal news medias support them…so it is difficult to get the real truth out…but we have the internet and with it we can reach millions with the truth in a matter of hours. Maybe that is why the alphabet news medias ratings are in the dump.

    • http://googlechrome.com Raymond Babcock

      its time to make it end put them in jail were they deserev to be lying crooks

  • SR

    Love the way the French…I mean Democrats conduct reasonable, rational debate ordering room service in Illinois. Belligerent, narrow minded Union Members, Communists & Liberals need to understand their failed, flawed Utopian ideals have opposition…the people who have to pay.

    • Christin

      EXACTLY!
      Well said, SR.

    • http://googlechrome.com Raymond Babcock

      thank you very much this president is trying to break the nation

  • RER

    I do hope that Gov Scott has cancelled all those state credit cards that the weasel Dems are using to finance their getaway!!!

    • http://googlechrome.com Raymond Babcock

      very good point

  • Mick

    It’s about time to finally see a party with the balls to stand up to the lousy degenerate democrats. They have sunk this country’s morality and financial state so low for the past few decades that it will take a party that plays nothing but hard ball for America’s recovery,no more compromise with the crooks they really are,, We need to go back to basic and restore common sense……..

    • Ellen

      As bad as the dems/libs are, the Rs are not much better. Remember, it’s the Rs who brought us Homeland inSecurity and the unPATRIOT Act. They’re all puppets of the global elite who are hell-bent on destroying this country. Yes, there are a few here and there who will make decisions that support we, the people…..however, nothing will change for the better unless and until every one of them begins honoring their sacred oaths of office to preserve, protect, and defend the supreme law of this land. Unless that happens, this horrendous train wreck will continue and we will lose it all.

      A superb beginning would be to drag the imposter out of the office that he’s occupying along with his family and start over. That means imprisoning all the traitorous czars and unelected bureaucrats who are destroying this country from within and proceed from there.

      • ValDM

        My dear,
        Do you know the author of the Patriot Act? Joe Biden wrote it during his years in the Clinton adm. Still think it was the R’s?

        • Jovianus

          Actually, Michael Chertoff wrote the patriot Act. ” While at DoJ, Chertoff was instrumental in drafting the so-called “PATRIOT” Act, but, to his credit, he has since expressed misgivings about its more Draconian elements, such as detention without due process.” <— The Register

          Now…what was that about the author of the Patriot Act?

          • Jana

            jovi,
            According to the websites I went to you get any answer you wanted to from Jim Sensenbrenner, to some Vietnamese guy. But more said it came from Biden than not. In 1995 Joe Biden Basically Wrote The PATRIOT Act.

            It did get changed and tweaked but he did it.

          • libertytrain

            I never liked Sensenbrenner when I lived up in Wisconsin. What an a–.

      • http://googlechrome.com Raymond Babcock

        were are being played obama is just doing ever thing to destroy the country and we are all helping we keep electing were are to give ever one all they need personnel i realy do not care any more if a person can not understand what is dragging the country down nothing i can or do will change there minds so here i set watching my movies you gotta love a western when men were men and the sheep were afraid

  • tim

    The democrats have been gone longer than the 48 hours allowed by law. Time to fire them and hold a special

    • Jovianus

      The govrnor won’t call a special election because of ther absence. He and everyone else knows they’d be re-elected in a landslide and it would be a referendum on his attacks against the working man. He in no way wants this to go in front of the voters.

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        Jo… You don’t know that for a fact. I think from what I hear and from what I have been reading, this situation is pretty evenly divided. However, I believe that the nonunion people would prevail. There are still more nonunion people than there are union people.

        • Christin

          Robin,

          A Poll I saw yesterday stated it was not evenly divided:

          48% stand with the Governot of WI and fiscally sound America
          38% stand with the (Run and hide) Demos and Unions

          • Robin from Arcadia, IN

            Christin… Thanks for helping me make my point! It’s even better than I thought!

          • Christin

            Robin,
            Any day fellow Conservative American Patriot. :)

            Go Tea Party in WI… make some good noise and let the nation know you support the new WI Governor and fiscally sound FREE America!

          • Jovianus

            Gallup has against the legislation at 62%. USA Today has it 61% against. These are state polls. Nationally it’s 58% and 59%. Wonder what poll you used since it doesn’t seem to have much credence with the more recognized polls being held.

        • http://googlechrome.com Raymond Babcock

          my exsperence with unions the rank and file workers voted to go back to work with the comditons layed out by management the union says we picket we were all locked out now Seymour foods is no longer in Topeka Kansas we all wanted to work Seymour foods was going to unite with frito lay these were all good jobs they werent hard but the union said no i cannot wtrie what i think of the union they all want millon dollar salaries you all need to wake up the unions day is gone if you will not part your day will soon be gone

      • Lastmanstanding

        Jovianus. I was in a union for 7 years. (By force.) They protected the laziest bastards I have ever seen. Our dues went to funding “union business”. They are the entitled work man not the REAL Working man/woman. Did you know that these unions have “quotas” for the day regardless of their affiliation. These quotas can be reached very easily, by a REAL working man/woman in far less time.

        Lack of production and high wages/benefits has finally run its course and the taxpayer is done paying. I am for individual bargaining not collective bargaining as are most true Americans. Take some personal responsiblity for your comments.

        • Aix Sponsa

          Unions pretty much have destroyed the manufacturing in the USA, and the teachers’ acedemic abilities also. Companies could not afford to make things here that “Americans?” would buy, and schools cannot produce children who are reasonably educated. Amazing isn’t it, how Japan and China have much better educated children than the USA? How can we outsource our education? Private schools or competent home schooling. AMEN.

        • http://googlechrome.com Raymond Babcock

          thank youvey much

      • meteorlady

        If these little cowards hiding out in IL so they won’t appear stupid when they have nothing to debate were representing me – I would be voting for another representative when the time comes.

        • http://googlechrome.com Raymond Babcock

          i hope people will see the unions for what they are greedy bums taking the labor of the working man like the banks the screw ever thing up and the goverment bales them out thats not what the goverment is for

      • Disgusted

        Jovianus: Once again you show you have no idea what you are talking about. You need to stop posting untrue facts! I live in WI and every person I know that isn’t represented by these unions agrees with Walker. I hope there is an election – the outcome will be fascinating!

        • http://googlechrome.com Raymond Babcock

          my contacts with unions has all been been bad sending companys over seas jobs lost

      • wandamurline

        Actually about 2/3rds of the people there demonstrating are people who have been bussed from out of state…the communist party and the socialist party. Get your facts straight. The taxpayer is the one who will lose if this bill does not get passed. The unions have run businesses by the thousands to foreign countries by their absurd demands. The elists at the top of the food chain in the unions care less about its members…they just want the money so they can have power over everyone. They are going to keep on until there is a revolution and I don’t think they are going to like the results…be careful what you wish for…you might get something that you did not think would come your way. Trumka should be afraid…he should be very afraid. The patriots of this nation will not fall to the overtake of our country by our own government nor the communist/socialist unions…they will stand a fight and as the Democratic senator said sometimes it needs to get a little bloody….I can tell you that it will be a lot bloodier than these twits can even imagine. The unions should get out now and stop pushing the buttons of revolution.

  • http://aol.com sean murrey

    they have commies and marxists causing this bs.Also ovomits thugs are in there too.

    • Jovianus

      Doubt if “commies and marxists” are being bussed in by the Tea Party. Likely uneducated, ignorant, simple minded easily led frustrated people who are being told destroying this country is patriotic..and believe it. But I doubt the TPers are ‘commies and marxists” ..

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        JO… Do you do stand up comedy on the side? You are really a joke…

        • Jovianus

          Easy to be a comedian on this board as there are so many wild outlandish made up statements to respond to.

      • spitfire

        Jonianus please stand next to my so I can vomit all over you.You are just another commie infiltrator.

        • Mary Kay Andrews

          Why do you good people bother to respond to this troll?
          I heard on fox News that school children in Wisconsin have not tested well on their reading and comprehension scores. As a matter of fact, the test scores have steadily dropped in the past ten years. So, teachers apparently have not been doing a good job. Frankly, I agree with Franklin D. Roosevelt. Unions have no place in government.

          • Aix Sponsa

            Unions have no place in jobs that are tax payer funded. I not sure unions should be there to kill our manufacturing either.

          • Jovianus

            Fox News? Well…if it was on Fox, you know it’s wrong. National Assessment rankings for Wisconsin from the NAEP (National Assessment of Education Progress) … used by colleges to assess high school quality for admissions.

            Fox News as a reliable source…what a laugh !

            4th Grade Math: Only five states statistically higher than Wisconsin
            4th Grade Reading: Only 18 states statistically higher than Wisconsin
            4th Grade Science: Only seven states statistically higher than Wisconsin
            8th Grade Math: Only eight states statistically higher than Wisconsin
            8th Grade Reading: Only ten states statistically higher than Wisconsin
            8th Grade Science: Only five states statistically higher than Wisconsin
            8th Grade Writing: Only five states statistically higher than Wisconsin

      • Laurie, Haslet, TX

        the commies and the marxists (DEMOCRATS) are the ones supporting the unions in the ILLEGAL strikes.

        Where did you get the stupid idea that the TEA PARTY is bussing them in. The TEA PARTY IS TRYING TO STOP THE COMMIES and MARXISTS – which are all DEMOCRATS by the way.

        OBAMA’S Organizing for America are the ones bussing them in.

        YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT -

        • Jovianus

          Actually, the news of the anti demonstrators being bussed in by the TP is all over the news and admittd to by the national TP organization. Seems the only ones they can find to demonstrate in support of the governor’s attack on the working man is from out of state agitators.

          Fact is fact…don’t blame me for citing them.

          • Jovianus

            motherjones.com/mojo/2011/02/tea-party-leader-plan-infiltrate-wisconsin-seiu-wiunion#

      • wandamurline

        If you believe that the tea parties are communists, you should take a course on socialism and communism…that is the furtherest stance of the tea party…the tea party stands for constitutional government, less of it, less taxes, less spending to create a deficit that our children and you will never pay off. I hear these ignorant young people chanting…..down with capitalism….and in their next breath…give us jobs… are they soooo stupid that they do not know if capitalism is dead so are the jobs? Our kids have been dumbed down to the point that they are unable to do math word problems much less anything else. No wonder Americans are home schooling their kids and the ones that can afford it are sending them to private schools. Our kids in school are become more ignorant and less educated than in decades. They are taught six months out of the year how to take and pass the TASP test regulated by the government…that just gives teachers six months to teach them reading, writing and arithmetic. It is shameful that our kids and especially the ones in college now are dumber than when I went to school 40 years ago.

  • Troy Simmons

    Well, I knew this was going to happen…All the excuses about the poor economy..(it is bad but the middle class seem to be the only ones suffering) The problem is not unions or collective bargaining. The term its self gives you a clue…bargaining for those who refuse to understand..is just that give and take…..the unions only take what the bosses be it government or private, agree too. Now the bosses want to blame the membership and the process for there mistakes… I really thought the private sector would be doing this more than the government…Yes I am a union member with a trade union, and I am suffering with lay offs to…no one not the republicans or democrats make a difference…we the people must take control..but we have to look to real and rational responses to the saving of our rights and economy.

    • spitfire

      Mister Simmons, would you kindly tell all of us gives you and other union workers more rights than us to higher wages and to more on the job slacking than the rest of us.

      There is no other way to put it, than you simple belong to a GANG!

      • Lastmanstanding

        spitfire, and a weak one at that!

      • Jovianus

        You have the same opportunity for higher wages, benefits etc…but as a sole laborer, you are easily dismissed and diminished. Collectively with your fellow workers you have more power to garner what you deserve, not having to take what spittle is given to you.

    • bob wire

      yea Troy, it’s big blame game! What we have today is the results of poor leadership and poor spending practices over a 30 year period and it starts at the White House and goes all the way down to the State Out house.

      There has came a day of reckoning, American’s have little left to consume with! Their credit cards maxed out, their jobs out sourced, their green backs spent in far away lands never to return, requiring that we print more.

      We’ve running around looking for “who’s got our money”, the poor are the first place to go. ~ They got our money! They are taking it! ~ but we can’t find any of them carrying any. They have no mean to fight back so they are easy to kick around and choke out.

      Then we go to the illegal immigrants looking for our money, we kick them around some, take their sandwich and send them packing when we can find them out in the open.

      Then we went to the bankers looking for our money, they admitted they had some and they plan to keep it. ~ We basically said , “Okay then?” never mind!

      Then we went to the American people and asked they if they would consider accepting tax increases. They said no thanks ! The middle can’t afford it, the poor don’t have it and the top earners threaten to take the toy and go somewhere else.

      Then we asked the Fed to back off on the spending, JB suggested we trim congressional staffing, stamps and paper clips.

      Then the 112th Congress has decide to unfund Womens wellness programs, feeling that in spite of all much needed services and good they provide women and the Hyde amendment that prohibits Fed money from being used for abortions, it a good place to start cutting Fed funding.

      Okay,then , now where else can we look for our money? Here’s a good place! The “Well to Do” middle class! They’ve still got some money! , lets go after it!

      The Tea Party/GOP lead Wisconsin governorship says let us invest in Business interest in the state of Wisconsin and give out even more tax breaks and incentives to Business Interest and “just maybe” it will encourage the job growth that Bush had promised with his lower taxes.

      We can get the money to pay for it from the “over paid ” middle class! Governor Walker is Lower taxes and slashing State spending ~ WOW! our hero!

      These over paid middle class people are the “cause” for all our economic problem!

      And it go ! over and over again, while the top wage earners control your political landscape, your thoughts, your ideas and rake in the loot in even in today’s bad time.

      When will people ever wake up and understand, To sell a bag of ideas to anyone requires there to be a lot of Good Ideals in the bag. You can’t sell a bag full of bad ideas! To understand that you are being targeted, sucked in to believing, making you a consumer of “their bag” of ideas and then lead you to think and do things that are contrary to your best interest.

      Today, you are focusing your sights on some “over paid” teachers and civil workers, subjecting them to the same shake down as you have the poor and the illegals.

      This tear the couch cushions apart, looking for nickles and dimes is really quite a spectacle to watch.

      Leave me to wonder, ~ where are you to look next for the missing money?

      You give me the name of 3 Wisconsin public school teachers that are paying taxes on $75,000 dollar a year and I’m help you with you’re couch search.

    • Laurie, Haslet, TX

      Your sadly mistaken – the Dems have had the backing of the unions – they have to have otherwise they would NEVER get elected. They GET MILLIONS from the unions in return they promise unsustainable benefits and wages that are BANKRUPTING the ENTIRE COUNTRY.

      • bob wire

        Well Laurie, it’s like I said, it’s a bag full ideas you have bought and they are not all bad ideas, but you have choosen to accept the whole bag, good and bad alike.

        What is the state left to say, when less money is being spent and subjected to taxes. What’s the store operator to do with fewer consumers?

        What will have to happen in order for this to work will require “Job Growth” more people earning and spending and being taxed. This was the “intent” of the Bush tax cut. ~ In the case of Wisconsin, the plan is to spend money on business and see that the strong fat middle pays of it.

        Which would be fine, if it would work! ~ But Business Interest is not committed, being bound by contract or makes no promises.

        We’ve seen this movie before ~ haven’t we?

        The only promises that might have been made, comes in the form of Campaign contribution. While I don’t know about the rest of you, ~ this hasn’t done me much good and it not because it hasn’t been given enough time to work. I’m not saying that it didn’t work, I’m saying that the return on our investment (lower taxes to the wealthy) has been so little it almost impossible to count.

        These tax break were not promise but hard facts, they are real.

        I’d like to see some kind of a commitment, a promise before I lay my money down. Wouldn’t you?

  • American Taxpayer

    I worked as support staff in public schools. The best teachers that I ever worked with are those who had another career and then went into teaching. They were there for the kids but they grew very weary with the lack of integrity of the teaching staff and administrators and soon left the teaching field. All teachers should leave teaching after three years but stay and become like the folks of Katrina who can’t manage their money and expect the government to rush in and take care of their every need. These are a difficult group of educators who are training our children to think just like them. They have complained so long about the low wages because they cannot manage money and have convinced the public that they are saints who must spend their own money for school supplies. We must learn to see through their lies! God help us all!

    • meteorlady

      My brother used to teach. He was good. He kept the children engaged and learning. He left for private employment. Not enough control over what he could teach and how he could do it. He also left because it was eating him up that there were so many bad teachers in the system because of Union tenure. It’s sad that we loose the best and brightest.

      As for teachers in general – we should pay them well. They are the single most important person in our lives. They provide us with the education to make it in the world and get ahead. But Unionized zombies are not what I would want for my children. No wonder there is a huge increase in home schooling.

      • Doberkidsmom

        BUT teachers should be paid on “merit” like the rest of us. We have this same huge problem in N J…….teachers who can’t teach can’t be fired because of tenure………the rest of us have to be good at our jobs, and most of us took pay cuts…just to keep working and keep a roof over our heads. For some reason common sense doesn’t happen here in America anymore………..being laid off is preferable to taking pay cuts to keep working, and keep your self respect. Ohh I forgot, the current administration in the white house extended unemployment benefits further, encouraging people to NOT try and look for a job. “Unemployment” used to be for six months…….guess like welfare……just keeps giving and giving…….out of our pockets.

        You go Gov Walker! Our Gov is doing the same, what about “we have no money” don’t people understand? But then you can’t fix “stupid.” or should I say “greed.”

        • libertytrain

          I do think teachers should be paid well. However, I do not think they should be immune from the increases all of us face with regards to paying more for our healthcare, etc. But then again, I’d be chopping benefits from Federal and State officials that have made themselves immune from what they expect the people who pay them to endure.

      • Jovianus

        Interesting. There are many posts about ‘my brother is a teacher’ or “my half sister used to be a teacher’ or ‘ I know someone who is a teacher” … and then the complaint follows. Interestingly enough…no one who used to be a teacher can be found posting anti-teacher comments. Maybe we should ask that question why is that? Perhaps because there are so few of them taking the side of anti-teacher? Hmmmmm

        • libertytrain

          Actually there was a comment yesterday by a former teacher who wasn’t thrilled with what the teacher’s are doing. You’ll have to read these many comments to find it so have at it.

        • Bruce D.

          No one is anti-teacher. We are anti bad teacher who cannot be fired. Also their pay and benefits should be in line with the private sector. That alone has created too much power in government and has encouraged teachers to become politically motivated for big government and big taxation.

  • Teresa

    Sad indeed when people do not even recognize what is happening. We have come to the crossroad where the “public workers” seems to think WE THE PEOPLE still work for them….sound familiar??? If you do not see the picture yet you probably never will. You that see differently are still having your strings pulled or are still working for a socialized government. If you actually need to pay someone to speak for you then God help you! WE ARE BROKE, understand that part???

  • T Meskers

    I hope the governor has the guts to tow the line and get rid of the bums he has to deal with each day. The Dems have had a nice long ride for a time, decades in fact, and it’s time to sober up and face the reality that’s facing them.
    The Dems got themselves elected based upon buying votes by handing out money like candy. When there is no more candy, they are naturally afraid of what will happen to them. They have no honesty, instead, they offer bribes to get elected and more bribes to stay elected. The next time you read the word “Democrats” maybe you should substitute the word “Marxist” instead.
    Why is it that out of the top ten most wealthiest Congressmen in the US, only 2 are Republicans. Eight of these people are Democates and they didn’t get it by giving to charity. They keep what they can keep because they know the truth. When it’s over…it’s over. So they sock it away anyplace they can.
    I’m sure there are some honest Democrats, but why do they go into hiding when the chips are on the table? Fear. If they buck the system, which is bloated and corrupted beyond imagination, they will lose their power and be relagated to the back of the bus. So, with their heads hung low, they just go along to get along. God help an honest Democrat, because they are an endangered species.

  • Snow Goose

    With so many qualified people OUT OF WORK – I suggest that Gov. Walker FIRE those State Employees not willing to support the Governor’s Bill, and REPLACE them with those that will. Just as President Reagan did with the Air Traffic Controllers. Once again we have the tail (Unions)wagging the dog (The People).

    • meteorlady

      I know people that would gladly take those jobs and be happy to do so.

  • meteorlady

    They are hiding out in IL because they aren’t intelligent enough to debate the issue and they are cowards. They are hiding out because they want people to believe that they are supporting them, when in fact they are doing a great disservice to democracy in their state and to the people that live there.

    This is about keeping the state going. My employees have to contribute to their health care and to their retirement, why shouldn’t government workers? We all have to suffer the consequences of sitting idly by and letting the government spend more and more to gain control over us. Now we need to step up and say no more, enough, we can’t afford this nonsense.

  • http://Safari John Flath

    This is such a scam. If this Union is broken, than the salaries for all workers including non-union will go down.
    This is the DIVIDE AND CONQUER plan.
    I have no liken for state workers too much. they have agreed to give up money and pension and that is not enough. In NJ where my wife once worked in a hospital, they stopped the pension and guess what happened? The CEO and the executive staff took a 52% pay raise for the year plus a million dollar bonus.
    this is the rich verses the poor battle, nothing more. They want to torture and inflict abuse and injury unpon the working class whenever they want too.
    Tip for Wisconsin: Get the hospital’s in the whole state to go out on strike and let these non union people die. this move will break the back very quickly of this sadistic governor. I just heard that this psycho fired union security guards one time, and brought in a private firm with people who had criminal records.
    The state was gound gulity of fraud and ordered to pay back all of the money to these fired workers and it cost the state a ton of money.

    • spitfire

      Making ends meat is called savings account, and strict money management. Where is it written that you should make more money?? Where is it written that you should drive a luxury vehicle, or live in a luxury home? Where is it written that you should have everything you NEED, or WANT?

      Union workers, are nothing but a bunch of spoiled cry babies. Nothing more.

      • Jovianus

        You don’t see the good governor of Wisconsin saying he’d take a paycut and reduction of benefits. Wonder why that is if that’s the reason for the recent budget deficit?

        Anyone want to guess why Walker isn’t taking the same cuts he is making the unions take?

    • meteorlady

      Oh give me a break. I am so sick and tired of the “rich” corporate executive argument. The fact is that union workers are protected. I have worked in Union shops – though as a salaried employee – and they are not very motivated and cry the blues to their union bosses every time someone gets on them about their work ethic. I would walk to the other end of the building to pick up a package and in the process would take other packages to different areas to save someone a trip and time. I was reprimanded for doing this as it was a “union job”. I have watched as people stand by and wait for their part of the job to start, never once pitching in and helping to get it done faster and more efficiently. Unions are self-serving and their rank and file pays for the big bosses to live high off the hog just like the corporate CEO’s you rail about, only unions are mostly organized crime controlled.

      • bob wire

        You may be tired of hearing it, but you are the one that brought it up. Are you suggesting that rich cooperate ex are not “protected” ~ Golden Parachute is the first word that come to mind.

        If You can pick and choose what you wish to hear, I would thinks others could too.

    • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

      John Flash,

      Way to go.I agree with you one hundred percent.

    • JC

      John Flath I guess we might as well be run at the mercy of greedy unions as opposed to greedy politicians and corporate types.
      And why not? we’re 100% screwed any way you look at it…unless, of course…we get rid of ALL of them!
      people need to be held individually accountable for their actions.
      Unions don’t allow for that either.

  • Marty

    I second that motion from LASTMANSTANDING. I am also a Tea Party Member and I’m not going away either. I am a retired combat veteran and a Patriot and I will not take a step back for anyone. Not even for the undocumented worker in the white house!

    • Jovianus

      Well Marty…we know you think yourself as a patriot.

      • JC

        Anything even one inch right of “you” is a patriot by comparison.

  • Raggs

    Fire ALL public servants and start over with a fresh conservative mindset… Afterall with unemployment above 9% there are many people that would love to have a chance to go back to work.

    • Terry

      I agree!! I know college educated people whose jobs have been pulled out from under them. Many of them have been permanently unemployed for over 2 years. They have depleted their savings and retiremnt monies, lost their business’s and lost their homes as well. (That means that they also lost their health care.) Union workers need to remember that they are the EMPLOYEES and WE (THE GOVERNMENT and TAXPAYERS) are the bosses not the Unions. I don’t see the UNIONS making any concessions to your dues that you workers provide for them. I don’t see them taking cuts in their salaries, bonuses, and benefits in order to contribute to the well being of their mebership.
      As a matter of fact I have noticed that they SPEND HUGE AMOUNTS OF YOUR MONEY to pay for buses, signs, and political agendas. ( Some seem to be UN AMERICAN) WAKE-UP!!!

      • Jovianus

        ” I know college educated people whose jobs have been pulled out from under them. Many of them have been permanently unemployed for over 2 years. They have depleted their savings and retiremnt monies, lost their business’s and lost their homes as well. (That means that they also lost their health care.) ” <— terry

        Bummer eh? Perhaps they should have had a union to protect them.

  • Lray

    This is nothing but a dereliction of duty to run and hide in another state just because you don’t like the odds of what a vote might bring but then again what would one expect for those that brought us to this situation in the first place. It’s disgracful and they should be removed from office. We don’t need whiners as leaders we need real leadership to get us out of this mess!!!

  • John Galt

    It’s time the schools were privatized, teachers evaluated, keeping the good ones and replacing those who are not. Parents, not unions should have the loudest voices in who teaches their children and what they are taught.

  • Reap What You Sow

    It’s amazing whom the Unions have allied themselfs with ie..illegals. Remember when they were all marching in the streets together and the Unions were helping them try & keep all the intitlements, Goverment and State funding, Welfare, College assistance that these illegals are getting and all the Financial pressure they they have put on the States, “Billions”
    Well now the “CHICKENS HAVE COME HOME TO ROOST” and the Unions are finally going to Reap What They Have Sown. God Bless them and thank you Lord. Govenor Walker is Protecting Americans. Greed Kills

    • marvin

      Reap What You Sow says:
      you got to remimber the unions don,t care if you are legal all they want is your money the seiu has said they have illegal in their union

  • spitfire

    I’am from Wisconsin, and it is really nice to finally have a Republican governer. THe Dems trashed the state, and created a very unfriendly environment to live in. They are all about “total control”.I sincerly hope the majority of you support the governer, and realize as a state, and as a country, we can no longer afford the UNIONS. Do you really think there would be so many businesses moving offshore, if it were not for the UNIONS? The Unions broke the back of many airlines, and the auto industry.

    • Lastmanstanding

      spitfire, I have emailed the gov. of Wis. with my support. I’m sure that I stand with millions of Americans behind you. We are praying for the right outcome. The gov. will prevail, the unions will fail.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      spitfire… I am glad to see you have a good Governor now, too. Hope he can stand the heat. The unions can be pretty nasty and those who support them can be, too.

  • dan

    Perhaps Gov. Walker could fire the absentees and appoint the runners-up
    from the elections as temporary representatives of the people.

    Public servants should not be allowed to strike IF they’re as essential as they seem to think they are :-)>

    • bob wire

      Right , and the Governorship vote could be asked for a recall.

  • http://msn.com Wizzer

    As the real unemployment rate rises, and more people lose their homes to foreclosure (non-union private sector people). These union thug cry babies will end up on the unemployment roles too…. as there isn’t any more money to pay for their sweet retirement & benefit packages.
    My home has lost over 30% of it’s orginal value, my self-employment income has gone down by 50% over the last two years. If the bank wants this home back so it can do a “short sell” that’s fine by me. I can stay here for at least two years rent free & pay no property taxes in the process. Tell me how is that helping the county or state? I have two neighbors down the street who are doing the same thing. Both however told me that when they eventually move out those homes will require at least 100k in repairs before the bank can re-sell them and get TARP money to make up the differance in the “short sale” loss! You greedy, selfish union people will get what’s coming and so will these bloated, unaccountable school districts!

    • Jovianus

      If the bank wants this home back so it can do a “short sell” that’s fine by me. I can stay here for at least two years rent free & pay no property taxes in the process. Tell me how is that helping the county or state? I have two neighbors down the street who are doing the same thing. Both however told me that when they eventually move out those homes will require at least 100k in repairs before the bank can re-sell them and get TARP money to make up the differance in the “short sale” loss! <— Wizzer

      Now that's standing true to the deal you made when you bought your home. Anyone hold a gun to your head when you agreed to pay back the moey lent when you purchased the home?

      But yet, you'll renege on the deal, stick taxpayers with the difference. All because you won't honor your word and pay back what you borrowered.

      Nice and honorable. And you have the gall to criticize the working man and slam them as dishonorable.

      Jeesh …

  • uncldom

    While the schools are closed the state will withhold payments to the school districts for the days they are closed. They will have to do make up days. The students will get there first lesson about consequences of their teachers actions. It’s time for all of us to become teachers. Everyone must teach our young people what is really happening to our country. Teach the children Now. They are our only hope.

    • http://N/A Ted Stearns

      I voted for Walker but had I known that he is against the personal right to bargain he would never have gotten my vote. I agree that teacher’s need to pay more for their benefits but what does that have to do with collective bargaining??

      • ValDM

        There is no reason for teachers or public employees to bargain collectively. They are already protected as public employees. Why do they need to pay for more “protection” from a union? BTW, collectively bargaining for more, more, more of my money without me having a seat at the tabble is COERSION.

  • 45caliber

    Oh, my Gosh! Tea party rabble rousers in Wisconsin causing trouble! It isn’t the union goons after all! My TV news reporter says so, so it must be true!

    • marvin

      45caliber
      you need to ask the news who is camped out in side the capital building,tea party or union goons,the tea party is suppoted by donations,the unions by forced payment,if you where to chose to give cause you want to or take cause you had to,lamestream news is just that never mind the facts,JUST make it up as you go,and the sheep will believe,REMIMBER THE PLOT,NOT I FROM THE CHICKEN LITTLE STORY,

      • 45caliber

        Actually I was joking. I don’t even watch TV news. I agree with you.

  • Patriot

    I just wish that the politicians in my state (IL) had the balls to do what is right! 98% of the counties voted for the Republican Governor and guess what? Because of Cook country we now have a complete incompetent Gov. Quinn and now Rahm “dead fish” Emanuel as the Mayor of Chicago. God Save Us! I am seriously considering moving my business and family to another state, not sure how long I can take this complete disregard of the public trust. I am sorry to our Nation for our state giving you the likes of Obama, Rahm, Jarret, Durbin and the rest. Our saving grace is we also gave our Nation Lincoln and Reagan, where is the next great patriot coming from, we need HELP and Fast!

    • marvin

      Patriot
      I WAS BORN IN ILLINOIS remember sec of state paul powell,when all dri lic, titles,came from springfield,crooked goverment an,t new to illinois,they wrote the book on crooked goverment,as far as chi town they need to make a 52nd state from it and instead of chicago call it crooksville ,or mobbtown,the only differance in chicago ,union,crook,is the spelling,but i forgot obama lived lived in chicago

  • marvin

    my view is do the job you where hired to do like it or not ,i am old school work or get fired,i don,t think people are just waking up to what liberals and unions stand for,what is happening now is that we the american people have let people like obama and pelosie and reid and the unions with their power grab have enuf rope and have hung them self by showing their true motives,i would say it comes down to this do you or the state have the right to fire someone you hire,if you work for me you do as i say not as you want,i say NO ONE YES I SAID NO ONE IN PUBLIC SERVICE STATE OR FEDERAL GOVERMENT SHOULD BE IN ANY UNION

  • DavidL

    Let us do try to get a grip on reality:

    1. The unions in Wisconsin agreed to the financial terms of the budget. The Governor got his budget saving cuts and the budget will be in balance.

    2. Conservatives in general, and Governor Walker in particular, are attacking the working class not for financial reasons, but for ideological and political reasons. They will lose. Now and in 1012.

    3. IN WISCONSIN, 60% OF BUSINESSES WHO MAKE OVER 100 MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR, PAY NO TAXES! THANK YOU CORPORATE WELFARE!

    4. IF WISCONSIN RAISED THEIR CORPORATE TAX RATE JUST TO THE NATIONAL AVERAGE, WISCONSIN WOULD SEE 1 BILLION DOLLARS OF ADDITIONAL REVENUE EVERY YEAR.

    5. The Governor’s budget “crisis plan” raises approximately $350 million over two years, and on the backs of the already over-taxed and over-burdened working class tax payers. That is who the Tea Party should be supporting. Why are they supporting corporate interests? The answer is obvious!

    • ValDM

      If they raised the corporate rate you’d get MORE in taxes??? No, you wouldn’t, you dope. They’d pack up and leave so fast, they’d leave a vapor trail.

      • DavidL

        Dope? Did you read and understand the entire post? Over 60 percent of the corporations in Wisconsin making over 100 million dollars a year PAY NO TAXES! YES, PAY NO TAXES!!!!! 100 million in income and pay no taxes! If you don’t see anything wrong with that, then who is the dope?

        • Jovianus

          David..they won’t respond to facts. Facts stand in the way of a good anti American rant y’know.

        • 45caliber

          So? All a company does is pass the taxes along as part of the price of what they produce. All that does is hide what taxes you are actually paying. The companies pay no tax regardless of whether the state sets a tax on them. Grow up a little and open your eyes.

        • JC

          DavidL says:
          February 23, 2011 at 12:57 pm
          Dope? Did you read and understand the entire post? Over 60 percent of the corporations in Wisconsin making over 100 million dollars a year PAY NO TAXES! YES, PAY NO TAXES!!!!! 100 million in income and pay no taxes! If you don’t see anything wrong with that, then who is the dope?
          _____________________________________________________________________

          Wow, if you say so it must be true.
          And I “heard” the other day that over 84.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot 73.42% of the time.

      • 45caliber

        But they will never realize that the companies would move. Take California, for instance. They have lost so many businesses there due to taxes they have the highest tax rate in the country and not enough money coming in to pay their bills.

    • 45caliber

      There is a couple of things you are missing on your comments. First, even if the union has agreed to various cuts, the Dems have left so no one can vote to accept them. Don’t put the blame solely on the GOP – even though I’m not GOP. Both parties are at fault over this.

      Second, IT DOESN’T MATTER IN THE LONG RUN IF A COMPANY PAYS TAXES OR NOT. ALL THAT COST GETS PASSED ALONG TO THE CUSTOMERS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. The only difference is that it is more hidden if passed through some company so the customers aren’t as aware of what taxes they are paying. Personally, I would rather all tax be directed directly to the people paying it. Then I know exactly how much tax the government is charging me.

      When Clinton was President, Gore discovered that they could add approximately $20 more dollars per telephone line bill in the US. They spent about a year trying to get the telephone companies to put that tax on their costs rather than list it as a tax because they KNEW that if it showed up as a tax the consumers would riot. They finally worked out a deal where the telephone companies could keep part of it as an extra profit. So you aren’t told about that tax but you still pay it. Nice, huh?

  • MaryLou

    I’m from Illinois and I understand why Wisconsin and Indiana are ready to gobble up our Companies as they leave Illinois because of our Idoit Democratic Government we have in place here and thier huge Tax Increase.

    If six of our Democratic Electives were to leave Illinois, that would be a Dream come true, Please Demo’s anytime you get struck with Wanderlust go for it,but I guarante the Citizens of Illinois will be on that like Stink on a Skunk and if at all possible to take you out of Office because of your walking out on your Job, you will be Gone,after all none of us can just walk off our jobs and keep it, We should expect no less from you.

    Anyway I would not be one bit surprised if the Citizens of Ill, were not footing the Bill for Wisconsins Freeloaders to stay in Chicago,and you can almost bet they are trying to come up with ways to keep Ill, jobs out of Wisconsins, when you get that many Demos in one place ( Like The White House )it can’t be go for the People.

    Wisconsin your doing a good thing, We have got to brake up the Unions Socialist agenda against our Country and by the way I have two Sons that are Firemen and we have talked about thier Pensions and they both say, even if we lose the Gravy off our Pensions, we will still get a comfortable Pension,and they both say, its better to give up the gravy then loss the whole Pension.

    Good Luck Wisconsin, America is with you.

    • marvin

      MaryLou
      well said and 100 % right why should anyone be paid and have a job and not perform it

  • JUSTIN ON OTR

    My understanding is that unions are to help Obama start his world order, the GOP slowed him down, Obama needs five more years to get it done. The union’s and GM,GE and Walmart are funding this dream of change. Under “rules of radicaLs” a book Obama is praying to follow. The dam tea party woke up Americans and the leader’s most of the old leaders want to end their role, because they had enough of where Obama wants to go, and don’t want anything to do with it. The one’s that stay have control over the people in their State,or gave them free stuff to win their votes. Reid (NV) boxer (ca) bloombag (NY) McCain (AZ) mccaskill (MO) they will stay because they have the obama play book and enjoy to control America’s

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    Check out CNSnews.com, and see how high teachers’ salaries and benefits are in Wisconsin!! Wouldn’t we all love to have their jobs?? Yet all these unions can do is whine about having to pay a little more for their benefits!! Well, here’s another good reason to support Gov. Walker and just say “NO” to NEA and other teachers unions. IMO these leftwing unions should be decertified or destroyed. And if it’s not possible to destroy the NEA, then I’m totally in favor of the plan to allow teachers to opt out of their unions. I’m a 100% supporter of right-to-work laws for all public as well as private sector employees. We must realize there are still some good teachers, and many of them are GOP voters who don’t appreciate having money taken from them to go to the leftwing democrap party.

    BTW, I read today in amNewYork (Wednesday, 2/23/2011, page 4) that Wisconsin’s Democrap Party is lashing out at Governor Walker because a pro-union website is inaccessible inside the state capitol; presumably because all new websites must be run through a software approval program. It’s amazing how democraps/liberals will cry so loud for their 1st Amendment rights to peddle their leftwing agenda!! Yet these leftwing malcontents show nothing but contempt for the 1st Amendment rights of those of us who speak out against their warped detrimental ideas. E.g., they want to silence conservative talk radio hosts, Fox News, and shut down websites like this. They also assault the right of Christians/Jews to speak out against abortion, LGBT rights, etc.

  • marvin

    IT IS NOT A GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO WORK NORE A GOVERMENT GIVEN RIGHT,the right to work is between you and your employer,you have the right to a safe place to work with in reason and to be paid a reasonable wage,the employer has the right to make money above his cost,and when he is no longer making any money,the right to not employ you as with the state and federal goverment now that are all broke and this includes state reps like demorats that are being paid and are not as work .wake up people start a recall and fire the dems that are in hiding,show them and the unions we the voters are still in charge

  • Larry Owens

    The unions and the democrat party are both headed to the trash pile of history. They are out dated and we do not need them.

    Of course they know this and that is why they are kicking & screaming like a bunch of kids, do not take my candy from me.

    STAND up Governor Walker and do NOT let them move you from your position.

    • bob wire

      So you would celebrate a two party system , GOP & Libertarian?

  • marvin

    CALL SPEAKER BOEHNER AT 202-225-0600 AND DEMAND THAT REP MICHAEL CAPUANO DEM. MASS BE CENTURED FOR INSITING THE UNIONS TO GET BLOODY IN HIS PEP TALK he said he was sorry after the fact he starts a war with conseritives and unions

  • jopa

    When the unions are gone people in Europe will not buy American goods because they are being manufactured in sweatshops by children.Your grandchildren.Unions are what made America great and it’s people like the greedy Koch brothers with their billions that are tearing apart what was a great place to live and work.They gave Walkers campaign $45,000 and now they just opened up a lobbying office in Madison.They came to get what they think they are due because of their donation.Check out the Huffington post, someone cranked Walker into thinking he was talking to David Koch and you will see what a scumbag he is(Walker).

    • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

      jopa,

      You are right!

      Labor unions have many benefits for workers, and some of them also are good for the U.S. economy, that unions help raise wages, give workers more money for increased productivity and help workers pay for the increased cost of living. This helps stimulate the economy by giving workers more money to keep their homes and pay for the other things they need.Scabs are parasites,nothing more or nothing less.Jack London the writer had them peg right.

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        jopa,

        Here what Jack London said about scabs.

        “After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, and the vampire, he had some awful substance left with which he made a scab. A scab is a two-legged animal with a corkscrew soul, a water brain, a combination backbone of jelly and glue”.Mr london your words ring true today as it did in the past.

        • bob wire

          They don’t hear or see it Coal Miner. ~These are the idealist jackals of American Society. They can’t project, their capacity for apathy is tiny. Their live in a tiny world with tiny lives and pass judgment and label everything that passed before them. They are contemptuous and quick to offend. It’s always ~~ the other guy! with them in sanctimonious fashion.

          Today, they are all excited with the smell of fresh kill in the air.

          I’m just wondering when “CLEAT” is going to weigh in this fight or when the teamsters might grind this whole nation down to a crawl.

          It’s good to know such people exist, much like spiders & snakes and be mindful of them as we make our work day in the vineyard.

        • JC

          How appropriate you would quote Jack London, Coal Miner

          Jack London Snubbed As “Communist” By City Council
          http://www.prleap.com/pr/5684/

          LOS ANGELES, CA (March 23, 2005) – A proposal to name a small reading room at the El Segundo public library in honor of author Jack London has been rejected due to the writer’s fiery politics.

          “Quite frankly, he (London) was a world-renowned communist,” El Segundo City Councilman John Gaines told the Los Angeles Times on March 18.

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            JC,

            Did you know Alber Einstein was a communist?

            Albert Einstein — 1,427 pages
            An investigation was conducted by the FBI regarding the famous physicist because of his affiliation with the Communist Party. Einstein was a member, sponsor, or affiliated with thirty-four communist fronts between 1937-1954. He also served as honorary chairman for three communist organizations.What do think about that?

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            JC,

            Wrong,Jack London was a socialist.Never was a member of the Communist Party.

            Jack London — 47 pages
            The American author was never the focus of an FBI investigation, but he is mentioned in FBI files as co-founder of the Inter-Collegiate Socialist Society. This society was of interest to the FBI because of its views on socialism.

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner
          • JC

            coal miner says:
            February 24, 2011 at 2:41 pm
            JC,

            Wrong,Jack London was a socialist.Never was a member of the Communist Party.

            _________________________________________________________________

            Communist, Socialist….whatever! Both are unAmerican and the fact that you admired and quoted him makes my point for me.
            Thanks Kamrade.

    • Dennis

      Are you flippin kiddin me?Where do you think some of these businesses supported by unions get their labor or goods from now?Are you that stupid? Or are you brainwashed by union mentality?

  • http://elliesmiles@hotmail.com Patriotic says

    Keep up the good fight Governor, America is behind you all the way.

    • Jovianus

      Whose America? Yours or the America of the middle class and working families?

      • http://googlechrome.com Raymond Babcock

        what can be said if the wiscon people in unions cannot understand what is going on and wont face facts the govenor should do what he has to do lay of 1600 workers and drop health care for children here we are using loaned money to give help countrys over seas who care nothing about us also there is no way we should take bids for building air refulers are builders built in america by american workers as should all military equment right dow to the hat are solider wear all of it cars trucks fork lifts planes tanks if they idustial base is not there build it one last thing in ww2 all of the chirstan groups joined together to defeat nasisum commnist and japan what iam tryibf to say is this when the time is right all of the muslim group will join together to fight democracy

  • chuckb

    do you notice the liberals commenting here, their solution for wisconsin is to raise tax, that way the unions can keep forcing higher wages. lower the tax rate, bring in more business and kick the unions out of govt/state employment.
    unions have always been a nesting place for militant subversive type political movements and mob rule. they have bled the taxpayers dry and now want to raise more tax to keep the money flowing to the political coffers of the democratic party.
    take a look at the state of california if you want to see disaster at it’s best, they are basically in bankruptcy and are looking for the idiot in washington to bail them out. this state is heavy with fed and state employment all unionized and top benefits at the taxpayers expense. the teaching profession is one of the highest paid in the nation. protected by tenure and a failure rate amongst the highest in the country. these unions are a subsidiary od the democratic party and the state is and has been controlled by the democrats for decades

    • bob wire

      No! I haven’t noticed that.

      If there be teachers making 80 plus per year, more power to them.

      But I have seen no proof of that. ~ and that’s what I need to see “prove”

  • http://Evangelinestraub@gmail.com Truther

    Why are any of you having a conversation with this jovanius? There are people like him who cannot differentiate right from wrong, and you will never change his mind. PLS. Ignore him and just post your comments.

    I am a naturalized citizen of this country. Those of us from Asia waited twenty years patiently to be allowed to this country. I love this country, will do all I can to support this good nation. We just have to remain alert, remember to vote, and not be afraid to be politically incorrect, be called “racists,” etc. let’s us be true patriots– vocal, and teach our children true American values, before many of those socialists inhabiting our public schools turn their hearts by telling them lies. Go America!!

    • bob wire

      “politically incorrect, be called “racists,” etc. let’s us be true patriots– vocal, and teach our children true American values, before many of those socialists inhabiting our public schools turn their hearts by telling them lies. Go America!!”

      political correctness is much like picking up a turd by the clean end.

      And True American values is a deep subject and means a lot of different things to different people.

      Some want government out of their lives but welcome it in the bedrooms of others.

      Some want to defend the unborn and snub the born.

      Some want smaller government yet want it to Do something!

      Today some “Right” voices bash “O” for not running to Libyan citizens defense. ~~ What’s with that?

      Where does your nose stop and my rights begin?

  • http://googlechrome.com Raymond Babcock

    if these idiots wont comprmise fire them and if no one can be found to do the work hire the ones the democrats love illegal imigrents these people are not above the law just like reagan fired the air trrafic controlers it is hard for me to understand how it got here if you want benefits pay for them some one has to pay with the goverment the tax payer foots the bill we are through with paying for people who want to retire at 40 ever one should be treated the same

    • bob wire

      “if these idiots wont compromise fire them ”

      yea! give them a fair trial and them hang them!

  • http://googlechrome.com Raymond Babcock

    the democrats hiding out not doing the majorty of the peole want they should be fired let the republicans appoint replacemrnts

    • bob wire

      a majority of “what” ?

  • http://com i41

    Raymond, in a senators getting booted it is the govonor who gets to appoint replacements. Unions claiming they are for middle class and working families, what a load of crap. Unions members are s–t birds to worthless to a honest days work for a honest day pay. The senority system keeps the biggest screw offs and protects lazy bastards on the job site.I have seen several teachers get terminated for gross behavior and malfeasance. Union protected the pervs and crooks, the slugs got back pay and a clean record. When next year the city starts to negoiations for contracts happen, bet there will be a push back from the council. County will have spring contracts and see how the lazy azzes like fewer jobs and more work! Scabs are usually union nut jobs who need a few kicks in their fat rears to keep doing something, instead of collecting a paycheck and sitting doing nothing.

    • bob wire

      “Scabs are usually union nut jobs who need a few kicks in their fat rears to keep doing something, instead of collecting a paycheck and sitting doing nothing.”

      Sometimes you seem enlightened i41, this is not one of those times.

      Care to make another stab at it?

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        bob wire and JC,
        “Workers have a right to organize into unions and to bargain collectively with their employers. And a strong, free labor movement is an invigorating and necessary part of our industrial society.”
        “Only a fool would try to deprive working men and women of their right to join the union of their choice.” Dwight David Eisenhower.

  • http://googlechrome.com Raymond Babcock

    we are fast getting to the `breaking point soon enough we will not have to have talks with the unions are money will crash under its own weight my self iam working for nothin if i work 4 hours i get a free meal iam not looking for sympahthy

    • bob wire

      You must be at 4% body fat then! I hope it gets better for you Raymond and I mean that.

      When I was younger I lived 6 months of peanut butter and crackers. I never got overly hunger, but sure got tired of peanut butter.

  • AnhydrousBob

    In all this, every time I hear a teacher on the radio they are whining about their “rights”. Does no one believe the taxpayer has rights? For one thing, the money is taken without the consent of the taxpayer. And too often, it is taken from someone who has less than the teacher. How is that in any way justice.

    As far as Unions go, ask this question, “How can someone own a job other than the employer?”. A job is not an object, it is an agreement between two parties to exchange something each owns, and usually includes money and hours. If both parties agree to collective bargaining, then so be it. If they don’t, then the union has no say. Without the coercive power of the Government, a union would fall quickly.

    • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

      Anhydrous Bob,

      In 1982, who passed the largest peacetime tax increase in U.S. history? That would be Ronald Reagan.

      • AnhydrousBob

        Coal Miner,

        Are you implying I am a fan of Ronald Reagan …

        Or …Uh, …

        OK, I have to admit I can not make the jump between what I posted and what you posted.

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    ATTENTION TO ALL SCABS AND PARASITES,

    Piotr Duda addressed a letter to the American trade union AFSCME supporting their struggle against the recent attempts to reduce workers’ and trade unions’ rights and cut down wages in the public sector in the State of Wisconsin by Governor Scott Walker.

    The letter reads:

    “Dear Sisters and Brothers,

    On behalf of the 700,000 members of the Polish Trade Union NSZZ “Solidarnosc” (“Solidarity”) I wish to express our solidarity and support for your struggle against the recent assault on trade unions and trade union rights unleashed by Governor Scott Walker.

    We are witnessing yet another attempt of transferring the costs of the economic crisis and of the failed financial policies to working people and their families. As much as some adjustments are necessary, we can not and must not agree that the austerity measures are synonymous with union busting practices, the elimination of bargaining rights and the reduction of social benefits and wages.

    Dear Friends, please rest assured that our thoughts are with you during your protest, as we truly do hope that your just fight for decent working and living conditions, for the workers’ rights will be successful.

    Your victory is our victory as well.
    We will continue to watch the developments there and please keep us informed of any other ways, you think we could be of assistance.

    In solidarity,

    Piotr Duda
    President
    NSZZ “Solidarnosc”

    Polish Trades Unions overthrow the communist government in Poland.

    • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

      ALSO,

      ‎”History is a great teacher. Now everyone knows that the labor movement did not diminish the strength of the nation but enlarged it. By raising the living standards of millions, labor miraculously created a market for industry and lifted the whole nation to undreamed of levels of production. Those who attack labor forget these simple truths, but history remembers them.”
      – Martin Luther King

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        Unions means freedom,scabs means servitude:

        Established in September of 1980 at the Gdansk shipyards, Solidarity was an independent labour union instrumental in the eventual collapse of the Soviet Union, and the primary catalyst that would transform Poland from a repressive communist satellite to the EU member democracy it is today. The Solidarity movement received international attention, spreading anti-communist ideas and inspiring political action throughout the rest of the Communist Bloc, and its influence in the eventual fall of communism in Central and Eastern Europe cannot be understated or dismissed.

        Solidarity’s cohesion and initial success, like that of other dissident movements, was not created overnight, nor the result of any specific event or grievance. Rather, the emergence of Solidarity as a political force in Poland was spurred by governmental and economic difficulties that had continued to deepen over the course of an entire decade. Poland’s ‘shortage economy’ put stress on the lives of everyday people who were unable to purchase daily necessities, such as bread or toilet paper, and faced endless queues for which there was rarely a reward. In July of 1980, the Polish government – facing economic crisis – was again forced to raise the price of goods while curbing the growth of wages. This was essentially the “last straw” for much of Poland’s labour force, with strikes spreading almost at once across the country, in spite of the absence of any organized network.

        In Gdansk, at the then ‘Lenin Shipyards’, the shipyard workers were unified by the additional outrage of Anna Walentynowicz’s firing. The dismissal of Walentynowicz – a popular crane-operator and activist, combined with the previous firing of Lech Walesa – an outspoken electrician, galvanised the workers into taking action. A strike began on August 14th, led by Walesa, who gave voice to the workers’ demands for the legalisation of independent labour unions, the raising of a monument to the 80 workers brutally murdered in a 1970 labour dispute in Gdansk, and the rehiring of both Walesa and Walentynowicz. Despite nation-wide censorship and the severance of all phone connections between Gdansk and the rest of the country, several underground presses succeeded in covering the story and spreading the shipyard workers’ message throughout Poland and the Eastern Bloc. On August 16th, several other strike committees joined the Gdansk shipyard workers and the following day 21 demands of the unified strike committee were put forward. These demands went far beyond the scope of local concern, calling for the legal formation of independent trade unions, an end to media censorship, the right to strike, new rights for the Church, the freeing of political prisoners, and improvements in the national health system. The movement’s news-sheet, Solidarnosc, began being printed on the shipyard printing press at a run of 30,000 copies.

        • JC

          They were fighting communism…what’s your excuse?

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            JC,

            You better read what I pasted again.It wasn’t just fighting communism,It was fighting for barigain rights.

            Established in September of 1980 at the Gdansk shipyards, Solidarity was an independent labour union instrumental in the eventual collapse of the Soviet Union, and the primary catalyst that would transform Poland from a repressive communist satellite to the EU member democracy it is today. The Solidarity movement received international attention, spreading anti-communist ideas and inspiring political action throughout the rest of the Communist Bloc, and its influence in the eventual fall of communism in Central and Eastern Europe cannot be understated or dismissed.

          • JC

            Unions have had their day. They have morphed from a group trying to better their condition to a monopoly that fears and loathes any form of competition. So much for being free enterprise Americans.

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        JC,

        Albert Einstein, Time magazine’s “Person of the 20th Century” was a visionary scientist, philosopher, teacher — and a union member. In fact, he was a founding member of the Princeton Federation of Teachers Local 552, signing its charter in 1938. Look… he was a pretty smart guy, right?

        • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

          Quote for the day!

          Although communists liked to see fascism as the ultimate expression of capitalism, and fascism did nominally leave property in private hands, fascism and communism nevertheless had more in common with each other than with capitalism, since each was a collectivist ideology that subordinated individual interests to the purposes of the State. It was no coincidence that both Hitler and Mussolini came out of the socialist movement, and Lenin himself had praised Mussolini as the great champion of the Italian socialist party in the days before World War I. Later, Hitler’s own best role model for ruthless police state power was Lenin. Both communists and fascists knew that the opposites of both ideologies were the despised labor unions and liberalism. Now,what do you scabs think about that?

  • Dennis

    What a bunch of pissy ass babies.Running to Illinois to hide out so this cant be voted on? This shouldnt even be allowed.What a crock.Just shows why i hate politicians.No backbone or common sense.

    • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

      Dennis,

      They are showing their backbone.They want no part of that dirty deal.Union are overthrowing their hated dictators in the middle-east and you will see freedom and democracy on the horizon.Decline of the unions are a sure sign that that USA is on its way out.History repeats its self.Remember Russia? With out unions,there will be no freedoms.History has proven us right.

  • jopa

    Dennis: By your comment it is clear you are ignorant to the issue at hand.Do a little research and you will see what makes their actions justifiable.

  • Stan Smith

    Can someone post a news link that The Unions wants Illegals to be a member!! I’m trying to educate the person from other discussion group, He wanted proof I posted few links I figure if someone in this board could post a news link with hard facts so I can show this person 100% real facts! Thanks!

  • mimi

    I was still in the Philippines when the Filipinos revolted against Marcos. It was a time of great concern and uncertainty, because Marcos had the backing of the Military. Thank God that although there is a presence of terrorists cells and communists groups in the Philippines, within every Filipino is a heart that cares and has great love and respect for life. So while many of the Filipinos students and workers alike went to the streets to protest, we were also on our knees with the Rosary on our hands. Ministers had their groups gathered talking about the love of God, Catholics prayed their rosaries, others who didn’t want o participate in any kind of prayer or discussion passed out yellow flowers, or bread to the soldiers who Marcos stand on guard with guns or in their tanks. There is no convincing anyone who believe what they believe. They only way we freedom loving and peace loving citizens (yes, I am an american citizen for 15 years now) can do do is pray for the conversion of those who cannot see clearly.

    My fellow Catholics, the United States is consecrated and under the patronage of the Immaculate Conception. We remember to go to her and ask deliverance for our country. She is a most powerful intercessor and her rosary a most powerful tool.

    I commend my fellow citizens who are intelligent and knowledgeable of the politics, I promise you I am praying for your voice to be heard. Your words will be a good use as we pray to our heavenly Father to soften our brothers/sisters who do not see clearly.

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