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Tea Party Group Sends Letter To Congress

November 24, 2010 by  

Tea Party groups at oddsThe group Tea Party Nation (TPN) has sent a letter to Congress in hopes of discrediting the validity of another organization claiming to be part of the Tea Party movement.

According to CNN, Judson Phillips, founder of TPN, recently sent a letter to Representative John Boehner (R-Ohio) and Senator Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) with a list of the primary goals of the Tea Party movement, as well as a direct response to GOProud, which sent Congress a letter on Nov. 15.

The Advocate reports that GOProud, an organization made up of gay Republicans, teamed with Tea Party leaders from several states and urged GOP leaders to focus on fiscal issues before tackling social issues. Phillips took exception with the letter from GOProud, claiming that the group has never been affiliated with the Tea Party.

"A small group of non-Tea Party, non-conservatives, released a letter, trying to claim leadership of the Tea Party movement and purporting to tell you what the Tea Party movement wants," Phillips wrote in his letter to Congress, quoted by CNN.

Included in Phillips' message to McConnell and Boehner is a call for Republicans to fight the repeal of "don't ask, don't tell" (DADT). GOProud noted that the DADT repeal is the only issue where the two groups disagree. 

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  • http://personalliberty.com Jessica

    I hope the American electorate, particularly Tea Party Activist, don’t fall into the trap of overconfidence. The work has only just begun, and we have a long way to go to clean up the mess made in Washington. I sincerely believe that there are people in high places whose goal is the destruction of America. Obamacare, with its state-funded abortions and death panels for the elderly, appears to be designed to wipe out the nation’s youngest and oldest citizens. That would make room for the massive chain migration from Mexico that would result from passage of the Dream Act. And when you have that many illiterate, dirt-poor peasants beholden to you, you have effectively become Hugo Chavez. When they said they wanted to “fundamentally change” our nation, they weren’t kidding.

    • sonny

      Jessica: Great post BUT, do you realize that “the people” CONTINUE
      TO ELECT AND “RE”ELECT the same corrupt crooks in Washington??
      I know at least 4 dems/liberals that were just RE-ELECTED. We need to get rid of “stupid” in this country.

      • marvin

        sonny
        that is call thanks for the hand outs for reid and pelosie and boxer it is gays ,illegals and unions for rangels hastings and waters it is blacks voting for blacks and to hell with what is right or wrong and you can not fix stuped

        • Howingmad

          Don’t forget ‘ Sen. Shumaher ( its NOT spelled right ! ) from New York, hes been ‘Screwing’ them over for years ( an ‘US’ too ! )an their STUPID enough to keep re-electing him.

          • Robert Smith

            Maybe the folks in his district don’t want anti-abortion thugs, big business hand-outs, and dumb wars.

            Rob

          • Vigilant

            The folks in his district want abortion on demand performed by thugs and big welfare hand-outs. And, they probably don’t want dumb wars; neither do I.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            vigilant,
            Look at Cleveland. they keep electing Dennis Kooksinich and forget that when he was mayor he bankrupted the city!!! and to think that he wanted to be President!! He even came out and said he saw a UFO!!!! The only UFO he saw was his little pea brain orbiting his big head!!!

    • John

      I know exactly where you’re coming from. The liers tea party foundation.

    • http://eddie47d@gmail.com eddie47d

      You are very negative and fearful. That is a high hurdle the Tea Party will have to overcome. I hope your prayers tomorrow will be of a much higher caliber.

    • Ray

      My take on the Tea Party is that they are calling for a return to first principles as enumerated in the U.S. Constitution, as written – not ‘interpreted’ by tyrants in black robes or otherwise. My pocket copy is 37 pages and it was originally written in ENGLISH. I do not need some elitist professor to tell me what it says! Clearly, most of the Government has been willfully negligent in its support and defense and therefore in violation of their various oaths of office. They all need to be fired and replaced by officials who will “preserve, protect and defend” it against ALL “enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC”. (Emphasis mine, but needs wider understanding amongst U.S. citizens.

      • Stewart

        Well said.

        And don’t worry about the members of the tea party.
        It’s not the organization they belong to.
        You can bet that as individuals they will follow the constitution and who ever has the courage,conviction and the common sense to realize that nothing is more important than our god given freedom.
        Our bill of rights & the constitution are very easy to read and require no interpretation. Anyone that reads these documents and fails to realize that they were divinely inspired is suffering from a terrible lack of common sense.

        Our bodies have between 50 and 75 trillion cell. With in each, communicating and functioning in synergy within the collective,there are over 100,000 chemical and electrical processes taking place every second. The communications array for such a feat staggers the imagination with the amount of multiplexing going on. To think that our bodies are anything less than a divine creation is truly missing the big picture.

        It’s a known fact and has been for years in the field of quantum physics that the thoughts of the people performing these experiments on subatomic particles has beyond any shadow of doubt,a profound effect on the outcome of these experiments.

        Although we are still children in every sense of the word, we were definitely created in God’s image and have been truly bless.

        If this insanity doesn’t end soon I feel that God may just put an end to this grand experiment.

        Be strong and know that God is with us always.
        The choice is not ours to make.

        • Robert Smith

          From Steward: “Anyone that reads these documents and fails to realize that they were divinely inspired is suffering from a terrible lack of common sense.”

          Really… Many of the Founding Fathers were deists. Franklen was all but an atheist.

          BTW, can you show us any lines from that there christian bible in our Constitution?

          BTW, how can so many christians claim that the American Constitution is “theirs” while at the same time the document itself in the first ammendment says there will be NO state religion?

          Rob

          • Vigilant

            ALL of the important Founders were Deists or “near-Deists.” Thomas Paine believed in the Deist God but railed against organized religion.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            roberto smythe,
            Like I said the other day, let’s get to THE original founding document, the Declaration of Independence! There are the phrases creator and Supreme Judge of the World. Also Natures God!!!

          • Robert Smith

            From Joe: “let’s get to THE original founding document, the Declaration of Independence!”

            Ahhhh, changing the rules, huh?

            If Americans are entitled to life they why don’t you support universal health care that will get health care to Americans who are dying without it?

            Rob

          • JohnK

            A true leftist, taking words out of context and twisting them for their benefit.

          • Robert Smith

            Hey John, please explain to me why there is no hypocracy among those claiming to be pro-life as people in America die from no health care.

            It’s OK, I’ll wait for yor answer… for awhile.

            Rob

      • Ken

        We are on the same page. The Founding Fathers would be rolling over in their graves if they saw how the “state” has taken over responsibility for the people. Worst part is that about half of the people continue to vote supporting the move away from the intentions of the Constitution. : (

        • Robert Smith

          How is universal health care against the Constitution?

          Rob

          • Ruth B, Concerned Patriot

            First, there is nothing in the Constitution about providing health care (nationally or universally). The Constitution does enumerate the duties of the federal government and leaves all else to the states.
            I assume you have not given (Obamacare) much consideration. It DOES NOT provide “universal health care.” What it does provide is a means of control over the people (A Marxist goal – control the people by controlling their health which is about 1/6 of the total economy).
            No one in the United States can be denied emergency (life saving) services by a doctor or medical service facility, by their own laws. What Obamacare does is take this ability and choice away from the doctors and care givers and put the decision to provide all care into the hands of bureaucrats. They will have to “ration” as there simply will not be enough care givers left, and the federal payments, or subsidies, will be spread too thin.

          • Robert Smith

            Posted: “First, there is nothing in the Constitution about providing health care (nationally or universally).”

            You are correct on that. However, how do you explain most RTL extremists quoting the Declaration of Independance, as in “Life, liberty and…”? Seems to me if it works for one in the eyes of the extremists then it works all the time.

            “The Constitution does enumerate the duties of the federal government and leaves all else to the states.”

            Yes, I agree with that also.

            “I assume you have not given (Obamacare) much consideration.”

            You assume wrong. It ain’t that uncommon. Lots of folks around here are making stuff up about me.

            “It DOES NOT provide “universal health care.”

            It doesn’t provide for taxation, and lots of other things the government does.

            What it does provide is a means of control over the people (A Marxist goal – control the people by controlling their health which is about 1/6 of the total economy).”

            Actually the Catholic health care system provides a large segment of that (and they bill) and the Shriners provide some (and they don’t bill).

            BTW, the “free enterprise” system of medical car, IOW the “pay or die” system isn’t working. It costs more than anyplace in the world and the care (for those who have care) is about the same as Cuba.

            “No one in the United States can be denied emergency (life saving) services by a doctor or medical service facility, by their own laws.”

            There are many conditions that with treatment (like high blood pressure) that won’t become an emergency. Same thing with diabedis… Doctors won’t have to start cutting off body parts in an emergency if they get early treatment that is impossible without health care. It’s also much less expensive to treat these things than to wait for them to get life threatening.

            “What Obamacare does is take this ability and choice away from the doctors and care givers and put the decision to provide all care into the hands of bureaucrats.”

            As opposed to insurance companies that are making huge profits that could be going into treatment. And insurance deny lots of care. Patients have even less choice because they have to get treatment or PAY if it isn’t “in plan.”

            “They will have to “ration” as there simply will not be enough care givers left, and the federal payments, or subsidies, will be spread too thin.”

            No they won’t. With prevention and taking the insurance executives and stockholders out there is plenty to go around. Taking the “no bid” situation with drug companies Bush set up will save billions on drugs. And there are a bunch more ways to save, including letting a grahm posative or negative test for a pharmacist (within tight guidelines) the prescriptions can be had for significantly less.

            Rob

    • Dick Gazinia

      The “death panels” for the elderly is pure bunk. Another shameless falsehood that weakens the integrity of the conservative voice. We should stick to the truth and not spread messages that when proven false hurts the believability of other messages.

      • Charie

        This is not”pure bunk”!! Simply because the Obama admin is not saying outright that they will, of necessity, have death panels, the fact remains they will have committees that will determine whether or not you will get medical treatment if you’re elderly.

        People responsible for socialized medicine in the Netherlands said the same thing. Now they’re euthanizing people whether they want to be euthanized or not because their healthcare costs are going through the roof just like in any of the countries who already have that rotten system of healthcare.

        One of those respnsible for running Obamacare just recently mentioned “death panels”, in an overseas interview and he wasn’t talking about Sarah Palin.

        Unless you’re a troll, you should keep your tin hat on to keep the Liberal MSM from infiltrating your brain. They’re insidious.

        • Robert Smith

          From Charie: “the fact remains they will have committees that will determine whether or not you will get medical treatment if you’re elderly.”

          How many people are dead because they have no medical care AT ALL in America? Those who advocate to deny them care are the TRUE death pannels.

          MOF, right now it is the insurance companies who are denying health care. AND! Have you ever tried to get health care out of plan? You really don’t currently have a choice of who your doctor is unless you are paying your own medical bills.

          Even when I go to see my doctor I often get a nurse or other professional. In fact I like them because they often have time and will dig a little deeper into my situation if necessary.

          Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            I have never had to see a nurse instead of a Dr.!!

          • Robert Smith

            Hey Joe, what can I say? The paid health insurance plan pays for that and rations the Dr.’s time.

            But I’m not concerned. They are very bright, very professional, and actualltually interested in helping me.

            See, I don’t see that a menopoly by Doctors is a good thing for America. There are lots of folks in medicine who love what they do, know their limits, and provide excellent care. MOF for a lot of stuff the staff do things every day while the Doctor spends his time signing off on stuff. When it comes to actually touching me I’d rather have someone who works on people each and every day rather than who the government is paying the big buck while he is between holes or meetings with his broker.

            Rob

          • Robert Smith

            Hey Joe, what can I say? The paid health insurance plan pays for that and rations the Dr.’s time.

            But I’m not concerned. They are very bright, very professional, and actualltually interested in helping me.

            See, I don’t see that a menopoly by Doctors is a good thing for America. There are lots of folks in medicine who love what they do, know their limits, and provide excellent care. MOF for a lot of stuff the staff do things every day while the Doctor spends his time signing off on stuff. When it comes to actually touching me I’d rather have someone who works on people each and every day rather than who the government is paying the big buck while he is between holes or meetings with his broker.

        • Robert Smith

          Charie says: “This is not”pure bunk”!! Simply because the Obama admin is not saying outright…”

          Really!

          That means that I can say: This is not”pure bunk”!! Simply because the BUSH admin wasn’t saying outright…

          Thank you for that excellent debating tip, Charie. I’ll use it frequently because those on the right seem to think it is so effective.

          Rob

      • ’53 Korean Vet

        Yes Dick, Once ObamaCare took 1/2 Trillion Dollars, so that they could
        kill 4 Babies in Abortions–Now by default, they can tell 2 Seniors–that there’s NO FUNDS LEFT for the Senior’s life-saving operations, &
        it wasn’t done that way by accident-! They will pay a Panel of Cost Accountants to type up the letters for Seniors, to deny their benefits
        that the Seniors have paid for–all during their lives-! (Sounds like a “Fair-Trade”-!!) But wait ’til these Accountants get to be Seniors,
        at that time–THEY WILL GET THEIR LETTER of Rejection, also-! What’s good for the Goose is GOOD for the FOXES-! We’ll skin those “CATS”-!!
        “Ketch-On-!?” You get 6 Lives & A Goose & a dozen Foxes-!

        • Robert Smith

          From Vet: “They will pay a Panel of Cost Accountants to type up the letters for Seniors,”

          What do you think insurance companies are doing?

          And they are shifting billions that should be going into care but instead are buying fancy cars and boats for management and investors. What a crummy system that is.

          All the while many are dying because they don’t have any health care.

          BTW, how can anyone who cliams to be “pro-life” allow even one BORN human being die because they couldn’t afford health care?

          Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            how can anyone claim to be pro-choice and deny the unborn the right to be born???

          • Robert Smith

            Posted: “how can anyone claim to be pro-choice and deny the unborn the right to be born???”

            Very simply actually. It is up to each woman, not ME to decide what goes on with her body. I support BORN women rather than some imaginary “person” at conception dictated by some religion.

            BTW, do you want to arrest teenagers for 1/2 an abortion every time they get excited reading an adult magazine? All that sacred sperm being spilled… Oh wait a minute! The right just had a candidate defeated who thought oven mittens were an adult toy.

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            roberto,
            nobody here that I have seen has said a single thing about the “sacred Sperm”, only you!! Can that sperm make a child all by itself? has to combine with an egg! Your argument is just a jumble of usless words and nothing more! At the time of an abortion an egg and sperm have combined to make a child. Yes a child whether you want to call it that or not! I still have this nagging feeling that you made a child you didn’t want and are now supporting it by court decision!! There are a lot more like you Roberto, the ones that have had their fun and now don’t want to shoulder the responsibility for their actions!!!

          • Robert Smith

            Joe, your “feeling” is wrong again. I see that you’ve run out of anything constructive to say and now you are attempting to look good to your fellow right wingers by slinging insults.

            Good old right wing swift boat chugging down the river of lies again.

            Rob

          • GregS

            Joe, in addition to what you have just said, I suspect that Robert might have even pressured one or more women into having abortions. It’s probably one of the reasons why he supports what he calls “choice.”

          • Robert Smith

            ” I suspect that Robert might have even pressured one or more women into having abortions.”

            You are wrong and offering another lie from the right wing. You have no basis to be able to say anything about me unless I have posted it on these forums.

            But, thanks for yet another try from the right wing to smear another individual rather than offer anything constructive to the conversation.

            Rob

          • GregS

            Robert Smith says:

            You have no basis to be able to say anything about me unless I have posted it on these forums.

            Robert, the BS that you’ve posted on these forums says it all.

      • BOE

        Mr. Dick..have you read Obamacare?? I have. And the “death panel” is in there. I am a RN and I sat up many nights reading the bill. There will be rationed care for over age 65. In the case of a national emergency even children under 10 will be rationed because there are people on board of the decision making that do not believe children have any value until age 10. It is in the bill Mr. Dick. Maybe you are unable to understand what it says. Be careful because the stupid will be included in the “death panels”.

        • Robert Smith

          BOE says: “Maybe you are unable to understand what it says.”

          SHOW US.

          Quite frankly, I think you are making it up just to generate hysteria.

          Rob

          • Ruth B, Concerned Patriot

            Robert – Thought you were arguing with no knowledge to back it up.
            And you have continued to prove that.
            A brother of Rahm Emanual was instrumental in helping write the health care bill for the Obama agenda. It was his belief that young children, if they were very ill, were not worth saving since they would probably not ever contribute to society. The elderly would also cease to contribute, so they should at some point, just take an aspirin and prepare to die. Government health insurance should be primarily for those ages 15-40. How old are you I wonder.

          • Robert Smith

            From Ruth: “A brother of Rahm Emanual was…”

            Oh shucks Ruth, can’t you do better than that? A friend of my cousin married someone famous who said that flying saucers were going to deliver a billlion dollars to assure that cats would have an intelligence equal to yours. I see they have succeeded without changing the cats at all.

            IOW, give us someone specific, not your what appears to be a fictionalized (as my example is) account.

            “It was his belief…”

            Who was that again. Do you have a citation that even resembles something real?

            Ruth asks: “How old are you I wonder.”

            Eligible for VA care, almost old enough for Medicare and Medicaid…

            I plan on taking advantage of all three of those because my “private” insurance doesn’t cover all I might need.

            Rob

        • http://?? Joe H.

          BOE,
          there was one of Nobama’s czars that said that women should be able to kill their kids up to age 4 without any repurcussions!!

          • Robert Smith

            Another lie from the extreme of extreme right wings.

      • texastwin827

        Dick, it is YOU that is wrong. According to my internist, if this “health care” program determines a patient should not be treated (for whatever reason) and the doctor goes ahead and treats the patient, the doctor will be assessed a fine, first…if he continues to do so, he faces a prison term.

        According to him, we will see more and more doctors turn to “boutique” clinics. Charge a patient a fixed fee (i.e. $3,000 a year) and not involved with the health care program.

        • Robert Smith

          “According to my internist…”

          Now there is soemone we can trust. Not even a name.

          Can YOU show us anything in print that supports your apparent fiction?

          Rob

          • Ruth B, Concerned Patriot

            Sadly, it is not a lie that doctors/clinics will be punished if they do not adhere to the bureaucrats’ decisions about giving or denial of care. The health care bill provides for a private, internal army, with offices appointed by guess who, to travel the country and make sure all the government rules and mandates are being obeyed.
            Subtitle C: Increasing the Supply of Health Care Workforce.
            Sections 5204-5207 – Public/Allied workforce recruitment and retention programs, and Funding for National Health Service Corps.

            By the way, AARP lost many of their subscribers because of their stand on Obamacare. They apparently sold out to big money, and printed lies and cover-ups about the benefits of Obama’s health care plan. You don’t take tens of millions of dollars out of a program (Medicare/Medicaid) that is already nearly broke, add tens of millions of people to the eligibility list, and then fool the people into thinking they will get better care. It doesn’t take a math whiz to figure that one out.

          • Robert Smith

            Ruth is at it again: “Sadly, it is not a lie that doctors/clinics will be punished if they do not adhere to the bureaucrats’…”

            Currently they are at the mercy of insurance companies who by definition are supposed to make MONEY for the executives and stockholders.

            “The health care bill provides for a private, internal army, with offices appointed by guess who,”

            I don’t care “who”. What I care about is that the bill includes a rule that someone with a pre-exhisting condition can’t be refused.

            “By the way, AARP lost many of their subscribers because of their stand on Obamacare.”

            Yes, I understand that many vote against their own self interest. Hoffer called them “true beilevers.”

            “You don’t take tens of millions of dollars out of a program (Medicare/Medicaid) that is already nearly broke”

            They haven’t, so there is no need to worry about that.

            Rob

    • Robert Smith

      Totally patently and absolutely FALSE, Jessica.

      From http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/14/health/policy/14panel.html
      “…John Rother, the executive vice president of AARP, which is supportive of the health care proposals and has repeatedly declared the “death panel” rumors false. “It’s people who are ideologically opposed to Mr. Obama, and this is the opportunity to weaken the president.”

      What better authority on elders is there than AARP?

      Can you show us ANY abortions paid for under Obama’s health care bill that didn’t have a DIRECT health reason for it?

      I can appreciate that you might want to see women die rather than have an abortion to save her life, her health, or even her ability to have children later, but this is AMERICA where folks get to decide such issues for themselves.

      Rob

      • Vigilant

        C’mon, Robert,

        “What better authority on elders is there than AARP?” I’m laughing my *ss off on that one. AARP just raised their rates ca. 13% and the Feds said nothing about it, although they are threatening other companies for doing the same. Why? Because AARP supported Obamacare to line their own pockets with a perceived increase in AARP insurance, and to curry favor with Obama. I quit AARP very fast when I saw that their website was lying big time about Obamacare on the one hand, and selling insurance on the other.

        “I can appreciate that you might want to see women die rather than have an abortion to save her life, her health, or even her ability to have children later, but this is AMERICA where folks get to decide such issues for themselves.”

        Slightly histrionic and intelligently dishonest statement. Perhaps I should say to you, “I can appreciate that you might want to see infants die rather than affect the social or economic life of a selfish mother.” And this, my friend, is a description of the VAST MAJORITY of abortions performed in this country.

        I wonder what your reaction would be if you were in attendance at a partial birth abortion, with no fear of harm to the mother, when the doctor kills a full-term baby that could have survived quite well outside the womb. Tell me about the right to choose when that baby, perfect in every respect except for the punctured, bloody cranium, is taken out of the room and placed in the “medical waste” receptacle.

        Think very hard about your core values as a human being before you say, “this is AMERICA where folks get to decide such issues for themselves.”

        • Robert Smith

          Veg asks: “I wonder what your reaction would be if you were in attendance at a partial birth abortion”

          I’ll tell you EXACTLY what my reaction is: Thank whatever deity, god, or logic you prefer because there is NO record of a late term abortion being done for any frivilous reason.

          Later term abortions are WANTED pregnancies, not the made up garbage from anti-abortion zealots.

          Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            roberto,
            you are full of crap clear to your eyebrows!! There is a young lady that was the victim of a late term abortion that the mother didn’t want that lived!! she is horribly scarred but she lives and is glad she did!! Her mother didn’t want her and waited too long for a nrmal abortion, too lazy to support and take care of her! she is traveling the country and giving talks about it! If it hadn’t been for a nurse giving her comfort and warmpth, she would have died of EXPOSURE!!! If you are going to argue, at least tell the whole truth!

          • GregS

            Robert Smith says:

            …there is NO record of a late term abortion being done for any frivilous reason.

            WRONG!!! As usual Robert, you don’t have your facts straight.

            One of the developers of the partial birth abortion procedure, Dr. Martin Haskell, admitted in a tape recorded interview with the AMA’s American Medical News that 80% of the partial birth abortions that he had done were purely elective.

            In 1995, Ron Fitzsimmons, the executive director of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers, admitted on ABC’s “Nightline” that he had lied when he asserted that partial birth abortion was used rarely and only on women whose lives were in danger. In addition to admitting that he was doing over 2000 of these abortions per year, he said the following:

            “I lied though my teeth…they are primarily done on healthy fetuses of healthy women.”

          • Robert Smith

            ” If you are going to argue, at least tell the whole truth!”

            Really!

            There once was…

            Give us a citation or is this another of your invisible myths like your god?

            Rob

          • Robert Smith

            Hey Joe, Fitzy lied. For starters, why did it take him 16 months to retract lies he claims to have immediately regretted?

            The guy appears to be about as creepy as Dr. Bernard Nathanson. Remember that liar from “Silent Scream”?

            Rob

          • GregS

            Robert Smith says:

            Hey Joe…

            Hey Robert, the name is Greg. I believe it was my post to which you were responding.

            Robert Smith says:

            Fitzy lied.

            Are you saying that he lied about lying? If so, prove it.

            Robert Smith says:

            …why did it take him 16 months to retract lies he claims to have immediately regretted?

            Oh gee, I don’t know, Robert. Why do YOU think it took him 16 months?

            Robert Smith says:

            The guy appears to be about as creepy as Dr. Bernard Nathanson.

            Creepy??? Oh yeah, right. Link whoever says something that’s contrary to statements that YOU make, to someone who YOU think is lying and “creepy,” and that automatically makes the first person a liar as well. Wow, that’s some proof you’ve got there, Robert!

            Why can’t you just admit that you don’t know what you’re talking about? I referenced TWO instances where abortionists admitted doing partial birth abortions that were purely elective, and all you can say is that one of them is lying. Well, I’ve got news for you, Robert: No one from the abortion industry has refuted either of them on this.

          • Robert Smith

            Ah, from the scant details offered, rather than any real facts or details, I went over the pond to find Gianna Jessen. I’ll bet she is the one out speaking. Her mother’s procedure was in 1977, long before the current D&C that is now mostly used was in effect. I understand there is one more floating around somewhere.

            Now, about Ginna… She makes a living at it. You can see her webpage and her demands for a speaking engagement at: http://www.giannajessen.com/EPK/fineprint.html

            One of the interesting things is: “All financial matters will be handled beforehand and must be kept confidential.” IOW, she’s most likley making a bundle out of her sensational story.

            BTW, it’s still very clear that once someone like Genna is born you clearly don’t want her to have any health care.

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Roberto,
            Oh, so now you’re admitting you are for withholding healthcare from people you don’t agree with??? All this arguing for universal health care and now you say this??? how ’bout we just with hold it from YOU?? We’ll just cut off ALL your welfare!!!

          • Robert Smith

            From Greg: “Dr. Martin Haskell, admitted in a tape recorded interview with the AMA’s American Medical News that 80% of the partial birth abortions that he had done were purely elective.”

            That may be a fact. Do you know what the difference between “elective” and “emergency” is in medical terms?

            Elective is a scheduled procedure. That doesn’t mean that it is any less necessary, simply that there is time to administor anti-biotics, and make sure all medical paramaters are as close to perfect as they can be.

            Emergency means that if the operation doesn’t occur immediately that the patient is about to die.

            It is the difference between immediate surgery and tomorrow morning, not whether or not the surgery is necessary.

            Rob

          • GregS

            Robert Smith says:
            Do you know what the difference between “elective” and “emergency” is in medical terms?…It is the difference between immediate surgery and tomorrow morning, not whether or not the surgery is necessary.

            Robert, you seem to have veered slightly off the topic being discussed: We are talking about elective abortions, NOT about the difference between “elective” and “emergency.” If you Google the term “elective abortion,” you’ll find numerous definitions, basically saying the same thing: Elective abortions are done on demand, and they are NOT done for the health of the mother or the fetus. For instance:

            - According to Encyclopedia Britannica, an abortion is referred to as “elective” when it is performed at the request of the woman “for reasons other than maternal health or fetal disease.”

            - According to Mosby’s Medical Dictionary, an “elective abortion” is an “induced termination of a pregnancy (TOP), usually before the fetus has developed enough to live if born, deemed necessary by the woman carrying it and performed at her request.”

            - According to McGraw-Hill Concise Dictionary of Modern Medicine, an “elective abortion” is a “voluntary interruption of pregnancy before fetal viability, which is performed voluntarily at the request of the mother for reasons unrelated to concerns for maternal or fetal health or welfare.”

            Dr. Haskell was a bit more loose with his definition of “elective abortion,” since he did many of them well beyond fetal viability. Furthermore, he did them for any and all reasons. In a lawsuit in 1995, he testified that women come to him for partial-birth abortions with “a variety of conditions. Some medical, some not so medical.”

            So you see Robert, your original statement,

            …there is NO record of a late term abortion being done for any frivilous reason.

            is still WRONG.

  • Doc Sarvis

    I’m the tea party.
    No, I’m the tea party.
    No, I’M the tea party
    No, I’M THE tea party!
    NO…

    Who didn’t see this coming?

    • stevor

      You’re right. ANYBODY is the Tea Party …. and the Tea Party Patriots agree with that. It is NOT led by Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, or anybody else. It’s regular folks who are fed up with the “government” screwing the country for the benefit of the Elite Few.

      • Robert Lebischak

        I fully agree,anyone that believes in, loves this Nation , and is willing to stand up for their rights under the Constitution is the Tea Party. It doesn’t need a leader, that one person to tell it what to do, we’re all cc-leaders expressing our views and concerns and acting together with the most powerful weapon we or anyone can have, the Vote. I’m proud to say I’m the Tea Party along with the millions of others who say it.

      • barbm

        i thought i was part of the tea party, but maybe i’m not. i’m angry that the local tea party is trying to arrange a protest at the air port which will impact a lot of travelers who need to get to their families. when i get on a plane, i want to be as sure as possible that it’s going where it’s supposed to and not into the side of a building. i have no problem with them touching my junk. if you do, take a bus, but don’t get on the same plane i’m on. it’s not the govt’s or the tsa agents’ fault, it’s the fault of the terrorists, so go protest them somewhere besides the air port. and, i thought the tea party was for individual rights – liberty. what business is it of ours who has sex with whom? that’s between them and God. i will not judge them lest i be judged. do i think it’s right? no, but it’s not up to me or you or any organization. you think it’s okay to let terrorists on a plane to kill a bunch of people so you don’t have to be x-rayed or your body touched, but it’s okay to tell others how to live their private lives when it impacts you not at all.

        • Joe Myrick

          @ Barb You are being a little to quick to not make judgement. Homosexuality affects all of us. I give you Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell as proof. Obama seeks to overturn this rule and drive out the heterosexuals from within the ranks of the Military. He will use the Matthew Shepard Act to accomplish it. The homosexuals will file claims of harassment against the non- homo’s and the Chaplains Corp also. Obama will seek to fill the ranks of the chaplains corp with Muslim Imams. Actually he has already begun this process. You have been given the God given right to make judgement of what is right and wrong, I suggest that you exercise your authority over the very evil that seeks to destroy you in the very way that it is. Quit being shallow because you are afraid to speak out against wrong, or better yet SIN. The same sin that has always been present at the end of all civilizations.

          • Doc Sarvis

            I am surprised that you think so little of our military that they will not act professionally. I am surprised that you think so little of our military that they can’t do well, or better, what other country’s soldiers can do.
            I would rather know who I am serving with than wonder who I am serving with.

          • barbm

            i worked with a lesbian onece who made a pass at me. i told her i wasn’t interested, and that was the endo f it. i’ve worked with many heterosexual men who would NOT take no for an answer. which is worse? you’re a bigot.

          • Thom Jeff

            Another bigoted fear monger heard from. Incite fear without citing hard facts. Yawn…. it’s getting really old.

          • Robert Smith

            From Joe: ” Homosexuality affects all of us.”

            Actually it doesn’t. I simply don’t care if someone is gay or not. I’ve got she who I am happy with (I’m a guy) and that’s enough for me.

            “I give you Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell as proof.”

            Really! You are using discrimination as “proof”? This should be good and twisted logic. Let’s watch!

            “Obama seeks to overturn this rule”

            Yes, he was ELECTED to do just that by those who support him. I don’t like bigotry and hate.

            “and drive out the heterosexuals from within the ranks of the Military.”

            FALSE

            “He will use the Matthew Shepard Act to accomplish it.”

            I remember him. Did you ever take a moment to get to know anything about that poor lad? Check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Shepard

            “The homosexuals will file claims of harassment against the non- homo’s and the Chaplains Corp also.”

            How do you know that, Joe? BTW, do you think Mona Lowinski should have been allowed to complain against… Oh well I know how that will turn out.

            “Obama will seek to fill the ranks of the chaplains corp with Muslim Imams.”

            ROFL… A falsehood with another false conclusion behind it. Very good Joe, not very logical but I’ll bet you have some going “right on Joe.”

            “Actually he has already begun this process.”

            Do you have any examples? Is there ONE percentage point change of Muslums in the ranks of the chaplain corps than there was when Obama became President? BTW did you know that Pagan services are going on and chaplains know about it?

            “You have been given the God given right to make judgement of what is right and wrong,”

            So have you, Joe. I don’t see how the christian god supports hate and bigotry but maybe you have a different christian god.

            “I suggest that you exercise your authority over the very evil that seeks to destroy you in the very way that it is.”

            ROFL again, Joe. I consider hate to NOT be a family value. Can you cure yourself of that?

            “Quit being shallow because you are afraid to speak out against wrong, or better yet SIN.”

            What part of NO STATE RELIGION don’t you get Joe? BTW, I am right here and now speaking out against hate and bigotry.

            “The same sin that has always been present at the end of all civilizations.”

            Actually the Romans did very well for 800 years until the christians came along and brought on something called the Dark Ages. Although the christians didn’t specificaly trip Rome into problems, where civilization went is clear. Right down the tubes for hundreds of years.

            Rob

        • http://personalliberty.com Mike W

          Yes everybody has their oppinions and points of veiw .But when the TSA molest’s little children and elderly people and let’s the people wearing their Muslim KKK outfits because they say their religion says you can touch us, I wonder to what purpose the TSA was set up for if they don’t search the main group of people that have caused this problem . After all did little Jimmy and his Grandma an Grandpa or Cathlic Nun’s etc. etc. didn’t crash into the side of the towers MUSLIMS did . Why not profile people rather than molest them . If you have ever traveld outside of the U.S. to say Europe they use alot of different ways of doing things some worse some alot better. But profileing passengers would work much better . For instance if you have no problem haveing someone put their hands down your pants or your young childs ,then perhaps you wouldnt mind them looking into your past to see if you have had any tendency to want to cause planes to go into buildings and save the rest of us the discomfort of being grouped . Look at Israel they profile and use dogs at their airports and oh yes everybody hates Israel but,when was the last time you have ever heard of one of their airplnes getting hijacked . Not for along time sure Muslims are lobbing bombs into their country but they are not crashing their planes into building’s . So why not learn from a country that seems to get alot things rite when it comes to battleing these MUSLIM’s and leave little Jimmy and Grandma and Grandpa alone this Holyday sesaon … Just a Thought this is still AMERICA I tink…

          • barbm

            if you could tell by looking at somebody that they’re a terrorist, we wouldn’t need to take any precautions. but we can’t. little jimmy’s parents may think martyrdom is a great thing and be prepared to join allah with him. just because somebody is dressed like a nun doesn’t make her one. in fact, that’d be just the thing to do – go to a costume place and rent one or steal one from a real nun and get on a plane with those voluminous habits they wear with a bomb under it.

          • http://personalliberty.com Mike W

            barbm says:
            Yeah uh no thats not what profileing means .There barbm says ,it means that everyone who is getting on the same plane you are or any plane for that matter will have there personel background ran and checked out to see what you have done in the past and if you have had any strange or odd association with any types of strange groups . Or if you are just a plan old dirt bag. But if you really have nothing to hide and you havent been a bad person what do you have to lose with someone looking into your past criminal record or your profile as a person . Cant be any different than haveing some weirdo you don’t know put their hands down your pants, and then when they have ran a check on your past you would be interviwed by a cop to find out why your wanting to go on to the plane as you are trying to purchase your plane ticket on a face to face type manner more or less I don’t know it seems to work much better and Israel has been doing it for not sure but at least for maybe 20-30 yrs not sure but like I said befor havent heard of any of their planes being flown into a building before .Might want to look into yourself there barbm says befor you decide to down play my rite to privacy …..

          • http://?? Joe H.

            BarbM
            you say profiling doesn’t work?? Isriaelo has the only airport in the world practically surrounded by muslims that have one aim – to take them out. They don’t have pat downs, thay don’t have x-rays, thet just have profilers that know what they’re doing and they haven’t lost ONE plane!!! Guess it DOES work doesn’t it??

        • thinking

          You are right, the government is taking away your rights and giving you false security! Please check into the naked scanners and read how they work and what they can do to you. You have very little rights according to TSA when you buy an airline ticket. What will come next to make us feel safe? Take away guns from the law abiding! Cameras in your home? The terrorist is not going to walk throught the front door unless they want to blow it up. Maybe they should make the airport security/medical as the next step is cavity search. They can do a pap smear and colonoscopy at the same time.

          • Warrior

            And isn’t it just wonderful that little kids get to be frisked as well. What better way to indoctrinate them into understanding that even more invasions of privacy will be acceptable in the future. All in the name of their security. I can foresee a future where it will be acceptable for guvment employee’s to perform sweeps of individual’s homes to ensure nothing illegal is taking place. Far fetched? This is only the beginning!

        • LeRoyZ

          Barb, We all want to be safe when we fly, but the intrusive tactics being used are not making us safer. No airplane has ever been hijacked by someone in a wheel chair; or a nine-year old school child. Israel does not engage in these intrusive search procedures and their safety recoed is perfect. I can’t agree with subjecting law-abiding American citizens to this type of indignity for the actions of a bunch of diaper heads. Look for the terrorist, not the device. Doing things the way our gov’t proceeds, none of us would be allowed in a bank. Banks robberies occur all the time, but I am not searched each time I go into a bank. And it’s Americans doing the robberies….and still we are not imposed upon. Just think…would they start subjecting us to search and seizure to enter a bank if a couple of Muslims robbed a bank or two. Say what you want about profiling…this is what I feel is happening…I am not a terrorist and don’t feel I should automatically be treated like one.Thomas Jefforson was right…”He who surrenders his rights for security has neither”.

        • Emmy

          Barbm – I’m going to go out on a limb here, and guess you were probably never Tea Party folk.

          Moving on – putting the common sense approach of profiling aside, all any airport needs to do to deter chaos, and calm the waters, is to separate those opting for a pat down from those preferring the body scan subsequent to the ID check. Two categories of fliers, it really is as simple as that. Post obvious signs from check-in to security that this is the mandate until further notice, and no one needs to get upset, no one needs to be confused or late. Everyone understands what the deal is. Moreover, getting to the airport early has been advised for years now – for everyone including, the terrorists. (OK, that last part was a joke!!)

          However, it is NOT logical to believe that this latest “security measure” is not just another step in what is turning out to be a rather obvious coordinated effort. If you have clued in to what this guy’s objective is yet, chaos would work in Obama’s favor. It is exactly what the Obama party is trying to achieve. If the Obama party can demonstrate to America’s enemies where the Obama party’s loyalties lie, then the Obama party will not lose that much needed support. Furthermore, if this current ruling party in Washington can generate enough anger; incite enough uproar as to cause widespread chaos and rebellion among the citizens, then the Obama party may issue a Martial Law order in the interest of public safety. Pretty funny, huh? At that juncture, there will be nothing more to talk, yell, or cry about. It will be over for all American citizens.

          Obama will be able to remain in power for the duration. He may not be impeached.

        • Stan Lee

          barbm: Don’t disqualify yourself from the Tea Party’s overall precepts because of one issue that one small group of Tea Partiers urge activity against. Within the ranks of the Tea Party movement, neither you nor I will agree with every single issue presented to the American public. We are supposed to exercise freedom of thought and resolve issues confronting us…not bail out.

          If you’re a strong believer in the U.S. Constitution, and that an elected American government must abide by it, then be one of us.
          Consider the alternative; We have banded together to bring down the Obama government and his Congress, because they have scoffed at the Constitution. If adherance to that unique and historic document is the reason you’ve identified with the Tea Party, then you belong.

          If, on the other hand,the Tea Party theme was merely a stylish trend to you, from which you would bolt at the least irritation, then your feelings expressed are justified.
          I hope you’ll stay with us, we need you and everyone else with guts enough to challenge a repressive government. Again, consider the alternative to Tea Party. It’s tacit approval of Obama & Co. Your call!

    • Vigilant

      Doc,

      For once we agree. Any nascent group of whatever kind (religious, political, cultural, etc.) that begins to have a wider impact on society in general, inevitably becomes vulnerable to the power-hungry charlatans who are in it for their own welfare. In short, once you organize ANYTHING, it eventually turns to garbage.

      I have expressed my fear (and cynicism if you will) in the past that the Tea Party has the potential to become just another political party after the mold of mainstream Dems and Repubs. The unwillingness of many Repubs to work with the Tea Party is just another example of parochialism and the need for party leaders to keep their power structure.

      Nancy Pelosi called it “astroturf” rather than “grassroots.” It may be too much to hope that they would remain grassroots.

      • Jim

        All this talk of the constitution is nice. When people say they like the constitution just the way it was written they would like to remove the rights of women and anyone who is not a WASP. Be careful of what you wish for. Hitler is laughing in his grave.

        • Charie

          I’m not sure what you mean by this. There are rights for women and black people in the Constitution. The Democrats fought hard against them at the time but the Republicans and some Democrats prevailed.

          Please do not try to unburden the Democrat conscience by putting the blame on people, in large part Republicans, who are the backbone of the Tea Party.

          The Tea Parties are not all alike. They were formed for different reasons but the underlying theme is they don’t want the government intruding in their lives any further and want a lot of this invasion rolled back. They also want their country back.

        • Vigilant

          Jim,

          “All this talk of the constitution is nice. When people say they like the constitution just the way it was written they would like to remove the rights of women and anyone who is not a WASP. Be careful of what you wish for. Hitler is laughing in his grave.”

          Your take on this is badly mistaken. No one advocates the relinquishment of rights. Quite the contrary, in restoring the government to its mandated and limited role as a protector of national security, regulator of interstate commerce and a few other tasks, we would be returning rights to the people that have been taken from them.

          • Robert Smith

            If we could just get the right wing from taking things away from people.

            Then America would truly be great again.

            Rob

    • david

      Indeed, internecine fighting has destroyed good liberty movements before, and remains the biggest threat. Time to remember Reagan–if someone else agrees with you on 80% or more, they are your friends, not your enemies. And stay focused on a few well defined goals–smaller government (push back to Constitutional levels) end deficit spending, lighten the taxation level by cutting both domestic and foreign/military spending. Again, shrink government, reduce taxation by reducing government both domestically and internationallly.+

    • Doc Dolan

      Doc, You are right! I DID see it coming, and I have tried to warn people! This is EXACTLY why the Dems-Liberals-Socialists-Progressives KEEP WINNING ELECTIONS! THEY are UNITED! THEY learned Reagans’ lesson re: 80% and have been using it ever since to WIN!

      Until ALL or MOST of the Conservatives and Libertarians set aside thier own little picayune favorite causes and UNITE under just a couple of MAJOR ISSUES and forget about the rest for now … the Dems are just going to keep on winning!

      It has ALREADY BEEN PROVEN the Dems are even sponsoring alleged Tea Party groups in areas where they were in close races! THEY know it divides the votes that were cast against them – insuring their win! Ask Sharron Angle how that very thing got her beat in Nevada!

      But, as always, it is ALWAYS about POWER AND MONEY and unfortunately a few have already realized just HOW MUCH personal power can be gained and money can be made … by being THE Tea Party Representative. So now they are fighting for the right for Congress to recognize WHO is the right Tea Party. How utterly ludicrous! As with almost every group of folks, it has already evovled into something that most often will be so busy with this kinds of bovine excrement – 3/4 of what it was founded to do … will go undone.

    • alpha-lemming

      ???? Democrats ????

    • Robert Smith

      Hi Doc,

      Actually the Tea Party looks like christians to me.

      They hold many views including gay bishops, those who don’t want to messwith lives other than their own, and those who favor health care because it saves lives.

      And then there is the other side.

      But then! They all claim to be the one true path to their god.

      Yup, sure seems right to me.

      Rob

  • joseph a goetz

    The Tea Party is a successful group and is commanding some attention away from the current two party system. As such, there are many groups of dubious distinction who are trying to co-opt or join or show some affiliation with the Tea Party. This is an old trick. Get in the Tea Party and ruin it from the inside out. The interlopers may have a big suprise wainting for them.

    • stevor

      You seem to be describing the Tea Party Express, which is supposedly run by Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin.

      No, those two do NOT run the Tea Party regulars. They are GOP folks.

      Look to groups such as the Tea Party Patriots and the Tea Party Nation to be independent. There’s probably others, but I haven’t checked into any more of them.

    • Joe Myrick

      @ Joseph you have eyes to see with and are using them. You are so very right in your observation. Go-Proud does not fit into any of what the TEA Party stands for.

    • Robert Smith

      From Joe: “Get in the Tea Party and ruin it from the inside out. ”

      Do you mean like Laroach did to the Libritarians?

      How about that anti-abortion, knumbskull Barr? He tried to get Pagans out of the military. Some libritarian he is.

      Rob

  • BigIron

    As I have said before, the “tea party” is not an organization; it’s a “state of mind”! Nobody owns it! That’s its strength. We need all who believe in the platform of small Constitutional government, fiscal Conservatism, and personal Liberty / Freedom for the battles ahead if we are to restore our Republic. Now is NOT the time for social activism and exclusion on the basis of social issues. Leave DADT in place but welcome GoProud to the party. I DON’T agree with all the social issues of some members of the tea party but when social issues become sufficient to exclude those who AGREE with the platform above we will be on the road to failure and disaster for our Republic.

    • Simsmd in Indiana

      BigIron you are so right on! Don’t lose the focus that is driving the embiciles out. I don’t care what you do behind your doors if you don’t drag it to the street or affect anyone else. I just care that many in the gay community and drug user community want to have their way and when their CHOSEN behavior ruins their lives, I pay…No Way! Much like the left, we just need to stick with each other on the issues that must be changed. I think we get our government out of our homes, the moral side will take care of itself.

      • MeanAsEver

        Your are right Simsmd. We need to stick together on the major issues. That’s how the dems win, all the time.

      • Charie

        You are right! A case in point is that Liberals want us all to stop eating fats and stop smoking but will say nothing about gays getting HIV and AIDS from risky behavior. It all depends on whose ox is being gored. There is no rhyme or reason to a liberal position on anything.

        • Robert Smith

          From Charie: “but will say nothing about gays getting HIV and AIDS from risky behavior.”

          Certainly there are a bunch of folks who want to see kids have age appropriate sex education. But (sigh) they are stopped by those from the right who mistakenly call it “teaching” folks how to be gay. Such lies are standing in the way of educating folks about safer sex, about not carrying a bunch of hate inherited from bullies who don’t understand what being gay really is.

          Tell us Charie, what might make YOU gay? Do you really think that a gay person doesn’t want something besides being picked on to the point of some dying like Mathiew Sheppard?

          How would you feel if you couldn’t marry the one you love? How would you feel if your family was told to stop at the door of the hospital when you are sick? How would you feel being barred from some churches?

          Substitute the word “black” for gay in most situations. They had “special” marriage rules. Thy were killed. They were barred from themilitary. Ahhhhh, that proud christian herritaage of boggots.

          Rob

      • Robert Smith

        How christian of you simsmd.

        Let ‘em die. Your money is more important to you than the lives of others.

        I wonder how you will answer to you christian god.

        Rob

        • http://?? Joe H.

          simsmd,
          yeah how UnChristian of you!! how is Robert gonna get insurance or welfare if you don’t pay for it?!?!?! He’s too lazy to go out and EARN it!!!

          • Robert Smith

            Joe H. says to me: “UnChristian of you!!”

            Thank you Joe.

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            roberto,
            your evaluation of yourself grows daily. I made that statement to simsmd, not you!! you’re a legend in your own mind!!!

          • Robert Smith

            I still consider it to be a compliment when someone doesn’t think I’m christian.

  • Bruce D.

    People on the right should not misrepresent themselves or who they are. We see the fraud and misrepresentation on the left. That cannot be tolorerated on the right. Go Proud should state what they expect and lobby for that without misrepresentation. I do think Obamacare should be repealed before the right begins to fragment into social issues. Keep it simple until government is brought under control. Once you start getting into social issues the right will fragment to some degree. We need to seal our border, balance the budget, and get rid of Obamacre before we get into issues that will divide us.

    • Robert Smith

      From Bruce: ” I do think Obamacare should be repealed before the right begins to fragment into social issues.”

      Universal health care IS a social issue. People are literally fighting for the lives of themselves and others.

      Please tell us Bruce… How can anyone claim to be pro-life and deny anyone health care? How can an entire church deny health care (except as they deliver it) to millions and yet claim to be pro-life? How many are willing to watch BORN women die just to keep her pregnant.

      Rob

      • http://?? Joe H.

        like I said how can anyone claim to be pro-choice and deny the unborn the choice to be born???

        • Robert Smith

          There goes Joe H. again. Let’s watch: “I said how can anyone claim to be pro-choice and deny the unborn the choice to be born???”

          Simple Joe, I respect women enough to let them decide what they want to do with their BORN bodies. Not all of them believe as you do, Joe. I’d suggest you get over it, but I don’t think you have the guts to give up the control of others you want to grab in the name of your religion.

          Rob

          • Dawn

            What is with you and your hatred of Christians, Robert?

          • Robert Smith

            Dawn asks: “What is with you and your hatred of Christians, Robert”

            Don’t hate ‘em. Simply hate some of their advocacies like denying women choice (and not all christians do that… Why there is even an organization in Washington called “Catholics for a free choice”.

            Plus the organization seems to attract a lot of whackos who do what they do in their god’s name. Let’s look at Koresh or Jim Jones for a moment.

            And then there is such denial, even from those who have a proven record of helping out. The catholic health care system with their hosiptals are an excellent example of gettin it right, almost. If it’s for anything but a woman’s issue they are great.

            What’s that dumb thing about protecting “kids” (their term, not mine) from conception to birth and then if they have a health problem they walk away? If the mother has a health problem they walk away. If the mother is Mexican here without papers I’ve seen advocacy on these forums that they should be shot or sent back. Is that really christian, or just something called that around here?

            Maybe you can tell me as a true christian: How can you be pro-life and not support universal health care for everyone?

            Rob

  • http://aldelaga@bellsouth.net Alfredo

    The Tea Party is the only thing that is going to save this country.

    • Robert Smith

      Alfredo says: “The Tea Party is the only thing that is going to save this country.”

      Not really. Getting rid of some of the hate, restoring liberty, and making sure everyone has health care is what it will take.

      BTW, how can anyone claim to be “pro-life” while denying anyone health care?

      Rob

      • Vigilant

        So you want the Declaration of Independence to be revised to say “life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness and health care?” Then, don’t forget to add “the right to be told by a panel of nonmedical “experts” that you are too old to warrant continued care or expensive treatments” (“Pro life” doesn’t seem to carry much weight with you, does it?).

        Then state “the right to be forced to purchase a commercial product,” and sum it up as “the right to understand that the government will take your earnings and redistribute them to whomever they deem worthy.”

        • Vigilant

          And yours is the world of “Soylent Green.”

        • Robert Smith

          Form Vigilant: “Then, don’t forget to add “the right to be told by a panel of nonmedical “experts”

          Yes, they are called INSURANCE COMPANIES.

          And if one doesn’t have insureance it’s called a death sentence.

          You can quibble what your imagine and lie about with the Obama helath care, but the reality is that BORN people are dying every day because of the selfishness of the right. TODAY someone is going to die because they don’t have health care. THAT is the fact.

          Rob

  • Nikita63

    The Tea Party is a loose confederartion of somilarly moinded conservatives looking to foment a return to fiscally and oplitically conservative governmment and the re-institution of compliance with the Constitution and the rule of law. Current policies on the parts of this and, to a lesse degree other administrations in BOTH established parties have resulted in this present state of unrest and
    substantially diminished freedoms, and growing DICTATION to the people of theis country. The Tea Party is a fledgleing organization but it has teeth and is growing. I believe it will be a much stronger force with which to be reckoned by those progressives and Socialists who would destroy our society if we let them; we will NOT let them and that should nhave been clear to them in the election just past.
    If they choose to ignore reality, they will be made to suffer for it an , the Tea Party will be the instrument. It is an idea whose time has come, admittedly overdue but, it is here now and it is here to STAY. It is experiencing growing pains but as long as it emains focussed and not overconfident, it will be a great alternative to BOTH the other parties and become a true political party with supported candidates and an AMERICAN CITIZEN oriented platform and agenda; the way it SHOULD be.

    • Robert Smith

      Hi Nikita: “substantially diminished freedoms, and growing DICTATION to the people of theis country.”

      Diminish freedoms YOU want, but those who want assisted suicide like Oregon VOTED on, or those who want their medical pot like has been VOTED on, and even those states where abortion was VOTED on before Roe-v-Wade.

      BTW, How’s ’bout that Norma McCovey! She went christian, and got arrested, just after flip baptized her, etc. I hear she’s living with another lesbian again.

      Rob

  • Chris

    Jessica, you nailed it right on. If you do not write to your local newspaper, call in on shows, you should. We need as many rational minds speaking the truth that we can get. The only item of interest I would add is that Obama is creating, with funding from Rangel, a “Civilian National Security Force” this goes hand in hand with the Dream Act, those immigrants will become the members of this force, with education also paid for while serving. The amount for this is $650 billion. The outcome of this force will be to react to us Patriots.

  • BigIron

    I am NOT a member of any one Tea party group though I affiliate with many tea party groups and other groups who do not use “tea party” as a part of their name but who are of the “tea party”.

    I AM the “tea party” as are ALL others who believe in small Constitutional government, fiscal Conservatism, and personal Liberty / Freedom. Thus, NO ONE person or group has any valid claim of exclusivity to the “tea party”! And that is the great STRENGTH of the “tea party”. No ONE can ruin it from the inside out because it just “morphs” away from those who try, leaving them wondering just what happened to their plans.

    Tea Party Nation does NOT speak for me; I speak FOR myself!

  • http://espionageaction-actionadventure.blogger.com stephen russell

    The Tea Party I recognize is:
    Tea Party Patriots
    Tea Party Express
    Tea Party Nation.

    Whose this group?????

  • Dagney

    Ronald Reagan’s “Big Tent” included Republicans, Independants, and Democrats. That is what the Tea Party is also. The “Big Tent” of AMERICAN VALUES expressed and fought for. I agree with BigIron, the Tea Party is not a politcal party but a state of mind. One group fighting another group over who is the “real” Tea Party group makes both groups suspicious in my mind.

    • Robert Smith

      From Dagney: “That is what the Tea Party is also. The “Big Tent” of AMERICAN VALUES expressed and fought for.”

      More like the “BIG OUTHOUSE” as so many Americans are dumped upon by those who claim to want freedom for America.

      Rob

      • Vigilant

        The Americans being dumped upon are those who would deny the very liberties we’re trying to save.

        • Robert Smith

          Vigelant claims: “The Americans being dumped upon are those who would deny the very liberties we’re trying to save.”

          Nawwww, Vigilant, just the “freedoms” you want. To hell with a woman’s ability to decide how her reproductive system is yoused. To hell with what was VOTED on twice in Oregan with the assisted suicide. To hell with medical pot EVEN THOUGH it was voted on in over a dozen states. To hell with abortion, even though it was VOTED on in many states including Calif. and N.Y. before Roe V. Wade, to hell with teaching science in classes where in Dover, PA, they tried to get creationism (a religions effort) into the schools there.

          Yes, Vigilant, we know what kind of “freedom’ you want for YOURSELF.

          Rob

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Robert,
        don’t worry bobby, I’m sure somebody here will take up a collection for you to pay for your internet or are you stealing THAT from your neighbor as well??

        • Robert Smith

          Ah, free speech from the right as long as one can afford it.

          How American of you.

          I have an idea! How’s ’bout if we start praying to your god? It doesn’t cost anything and maybe he will see the point that we want HIM to judge, not his minions.

          Rob

  • LiarsMustBeDefeated

    If they claim to be but don’t act the part they are LIARS. If they walk the walk, maybe they will serve more than one term. Words are cheap.

    • Robert Smith

      Words are cheap…

      Yup, they really worked out for Palun’s daughter and that abstinance thing.

      Rob

  • http://TW readmylips

    The T-Party personification is that we are a diverse element of people wanting the Constitution and democracy to live and thrive with the freedoms therein governed by We the People…not big government.

    • Robert Smith

      Hey readmylips,

      What about all those states who voted in medical pot?

      What about Oregon that TWICE voted for assusted suicide?

      What if California had voted FOR recreational pot?

      What about all those votes that were in FAVOR of abortion before Roe v. Wade? (among them California and N.Y.)

      Rob

      • Vigilant

        Nothing you listed contributes a whit to your contentions. States have a right to vote on whatever they want, as long as it doesn’t violate the Constitution.

        Federal Gov’t has absolutely no right to gratuitously insert itself into a state’s business, whether that government espouses liberal or conservative values, period.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        roberto,
        those are states rights issues. you know those pesky issues that you were ranting against when Arizona passed their new immigration law??? The feds overrulled it!! Talk to your hero Nobama as I don’t see him supporting ANY of those issues!!

        • Robert Smith

          From Joe: “The feds overrulled it!!”

          So, are you going to get the feds out of the medical pot issue? Remember Ashcroft made trips to California to continue arresting people. He also worked to overturn Oregon. And you are certainly working to strip women of their right to decide what they do with their bodies even though both California and New York (among others) legalized abortion long before Roe-v-Wade.

          Try speaking out of one side of your mouth for awhile.

          BTW, I support dealing with ILLEGL immigrants by not allowing them in and making sure they go back out if they are here. Please don’t lie about my positions.

          Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Roberto,
            I don’t lie! I’m sure there are others here as well that saw your posts against Arizonas new immigration law!!! Racial profiling I think you called it!!!

          • Robert Smith

            You won’t find any such post because I think profiling is OK.

            Why do you insist upon making such stuff up?

            Ohhhhh, I know, demonize, demonize, demonize…

            Doesn’t beat the facts Joe.

            Quit lying about what I post.

            Rob

  • FlaJim

    The vast majority of Tea Party activists and advocates would condemn GOProud and everything it stands for. That’s the point of this article. Few of those who support Tea Party fiscal measures are liberal on social issues.

    Tea Party supporters are basically conservatives who refuse to compromise, unlike the establishment GOP. I’m a supporter but refuse to accept any ‘support’ from an increasingly self-righteous Glen Beck who’s jumped aboard the bandwagon to further his own interests.

    • alpha-lemming

      To respectfully disagree (I think I’m on your side via previous posts), the T-party I want to belong to, is 88+% Libertarian and ergo, social issues are really none of the federal governments’ business. That’s the purview of community and States. I don’t expect San Francisco to have the same set of values as Oklahoma City.

      Inre “gay” Republicans…. I suppose there are a few anomalies but it’s really getting into the realm of imaginary or hypothetical voters. Sorta like fiscally responsible progressives.

      • barbm

        i am a libertarian/independent. i voted for a libertarian for governor, a republican for congress, and a democrat for district attorney. i vote for the person not the party. i think the govt should stay out of our business as far as possible. i’ve always believed that the job of the federal govt is to raise taxes to support an army (navy, air force, marines, etc) to protect its citizens. any other issues should be left to the states. moral issues should be up to the individual. i think the searches come under that part about keeping us safe. my sex life (in my case, lack thereof!) is nobody’s business. i think people of all sexual orientations should keep it private. it makes me just as angry to see a heterosexual couple kissing in public as it does to see homosexuals kissing. i really don’t want to see it. rent a room.

    • Charie

      You’re right on this, Flajim. There is a thread that runs through the 3 different tea party groups I attend and that’s a return to morality that seems to be missing nowadays. That may not hold true in other areas of the country but it does in the central part of Wisconsin. It fits right in with the desire to see the government roll back it’s intrusions in our lives and lower taxes.

  • marvin

    the t.e.a party is me. it is you it is an idea that was hatched over 200 years ago we are not subjects of the king [goverment]we are free people that love this great country ,the goverment works for us if you are gay thats your choice if you have your hand out thats your choice,trying to argue with a fool will only get you a head ache liberals and know it all,s are the same side of the coin,do not try to tell me you know whats best for me,just because your to lazy or uneducated to work i will give but do not try to take whats mine and give to you ,the tea party is here to stay so liberals crooks and thives,get your hand out off my pocket or have it removed along with the rest off your sorry as-,from the party of KNOW, WE SAY NO TO OBAMA AND HIS LIBERALS

  • Bob Hauser

    In reference to remarks above about “fixing stupid”….the first thing that one must do to “fix stupid” is to take a forty pound sledge to Diebold…until that is done, STUPID will continue to reign supreme in this Graveyard of the Once Free.

    • BigIron

      Amen, to that! I’m a programmer/analyst by profession and I have been opposed to the computerized voting systems since their introduction. It’s just too easy to corrupt the system in ways that are difficult if not impossible to spot; they’ve been proven to be very “hackable”. It does not take a gross change in the number of votes to throw and election as has been shown by some of the narrow margins in recent elections.

  • Samkd

    Why not just stop this clatter about who is or isn’t the Tea Party or who runs the Tea Party. I really do not care about either question. I am a conservative, but I am not a Tea Party member. However, I support the work that they have done, which I believe gave a wake up call to us conservatives to get off our duff’s and get involved in this past election. I applaud all of those that gave of their time and effort in the 2010 election, and we should all be applauding the victory that was created, it was a joint effort, in which the Tea Party played a vital roll, but each of us had to go and VOTE…

  • Ed HAYDEN

    The hinderence of which the tea party members or activists of whom are within this movement are those of whom are opposed to the core values of this republic of which it was formed via the constitution for all the people of America. Which has established freedom and liberty for all the American peoples of that allowing a small government in that of ever having controling powers over your lives.

    A problem for the Tea party is that there are many of whom want a democratic society, that is a government of whom has a leader but of whom is controlled by a group of powerfull men and women whom main desire is to run the nation upon their principles rather than the people being in control of the nation as established by the Republic Government via the constitution written in 1776.A democratic society believes the majority rules and the minority is left out They persuade the majority of voters in their idealistic views such a socialism and create thes programs that punishs thoose of whom oppose them, it becomes an unjust society and normaly reaches failure socialy and economicaly. Then they have the facists or dictaorial leaders of whom strict control and a total socialistic government, which never in history has worked out very well but for a breif time and revolution overthrows it.

    The tea party needs to continue upon the values of our republic of which it was formed and raise the bar to these principles and expect them from all our leaders be it they democrat,republican or independent to uphold these constitutional values and principles or we are going to send them all home in 2012. These core values of the Tea party favor every living American as to their liberty, freedoms,
    and personal rights including the pursuit for thier own happyness not to the enslavement of a democratic or Autocratic or dictatorial self seeking government leadership.

  • smithington

    For something very interesting about 9/11, visit: Infowars.com

  • http://www.TheWharf.com Ronald Houck

    Be it hereby resolved that the Republican Party retain its traditional GOP acronym. However, the traditional “Grand Old Party” designation has run its course and needs to be trashed. You have had a grand old time keeping up with the Democrats, but now you must pay the piper as we the taxpaying people are sick and tired of your frivolous, grandiose, and privileged ways of spending our money.
    I propose that GOP now be changed to Guardian of Principles! For it is we the people who have overwhelmingly elected you to preserve and protect our God given constitutional rights.
    Truman called his 80th Congress the “Do Nothing Congress.” Over the past decade you and your Democratic conspirators did something alright, but you both did it counter to our Constitution and Bill of Rights; which, by the way, you all swore to defend. We have elected you Republicans back in power again, not because we love you, but because we demand that you now fulfill what you swore to do. We will be watching and will hold your feet to the fire. If you end up barbecued, you will be replaced in 2012. Do an outstanding job and we’ll consider sending you back to DC for a second and final term.
    Who are we you ask? We are the people of these United States of America, a movement which Pelosi termed AstroTurf. About now, the Democrats probably figure it really referred to ‘bowels’ after what happened to their liberal and progressive plans.

    Ronald G. Houck ©

    • Doc Sarvis

      How about Gross Offenses to the People or Growing Our Poverty?

      • Vigilant

        And Doc calls himself an independent. A wolf in sheep’s clothing.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          vigilant,
          doc is about as much an independent as I am president!!!

  • http://www.box.net/shared/bt5uxqm113 Arcadia CA once

    I think it is good that politicians are scrambling to figure out what the Tea Party is all about. They might be picking up books to educate themselves on subjects the Tea Partiers would just expect them to automatically know about. I’m talking about academic scholarly books, not auto-biographies of the latest neo-cons to preach red, white, and blue. Who’s books and what books would you think an un-knowing politician should read to learn more.

    • Doc Sarvis

      The Audacity of Hope

      • Vigilant

        Mr. “independent” again. You don’t fool us.

        • Robert Smith

          Hey vigelant, I like your style of argument. Define the other guy regardless of the truth.

          I’ll use this as an example: With the restrictions on women and their reproductive issues it looks to me like you are a Muslum.

          Rob

  • dahni

    I’m going to remain Independent. I will register as needed to maximize my freedom to support those candidates who seem most likely to do what I believe they should do as elected persons. I will donate money to the tea party, or the democrat party, or the republican party, or the libertarian party, based on the behavior of the candidate.

    No party represents me. I believe very little of the negative nonsense coming from any source. I hope my kids will do the same, and my neighbors will do the same. I hope all of you do the same…

  • hundabuxt

    ed hayden

    This brilliant republic designed and implemented by perhaps the most intellegent, selfless and devoted group of men to grace our land, is a system admired and to some extent emulated by many to have come after even if grugingly. However we have among us naturally people who would manipulate and prevert the system to their advantage via lobby influence a la Abramoff and his like. Wealthy people, and powerful corporations find creative ways to buy favoritism for their advantage, which is why the tax code is so complicated and inequitable. Perish the thought we might implement equity with a flat tax or national sales tax to fund government so everyone pays his or her fair share. Frightening! The queen of mean, Helmsly the hotel queen once told one of her servants: “Only the little people pay taxes dear”. This is why the RINO Republicans are arguing for the continuation of the Bush tax cuts which resulted in the rich getting richer and the middle class getting laid off. The problem goes back even before the robber barons like the rothchilds, vanderbilts, rockefellers, kennedy’s, Getty and many more became amazingly rich.
    To get our government back to the people we need representation without strings except to their constituants. Getting elected should not cost millions and politicians should not be allowed to linger for decades. SOmeone needs to think out of the box for this and many other thing’s like grossly overpriced medical care, the nepharious effect the NEA (National Education Admin.) has on our children, the military industrial complex Ike warned us about, government agencies that do nothing except push needless paper, the IRS and on it goes. To keep going like this the federal government will pretty much follow the path of General Motors, going broke and reemerging leaner but not really fixed.

  • http://aol aine

    Keep up the good work of substance, patriotism and honesty. There is RIGHT and there is WRONG..it is black or it is white..NO gay..DO NOT let imposter infiltrators weave and bob into goodness and righteousness. Keep up the fight and remain steady, alert, and vigilant. We must not rest, as there are too many ACTORS pretending to serve when all they really desire is stardom and to BE served..

  • http://com i41

    The Tea Party member answer to the selves, which drive the GOP)especially the rino Rockerfeller blue bloods) and all the National Marxist Communist Demcorat Union Partymembers and their socialist freak money man, Soros. The Rino’s get nervous because this group is up from the ground and aren’t owned, giving or receiving paybacks. Why the liberal progressives don’t just change their name to the “Soros Socialist Dictarship, all approved by the Univarsal Numskulls Smucks! After the socialist got wacking, suddenly several democrats are saying they against before they we’re votong for healthcare and bank reform. Lately any democrat you meet who claimsthey are conservative democrat, just ask if they beleive there is any agencies that we need or should all be dismantled, wheather federal or state? Usually there is maybe one or two,but they are satified with the can of alfabet soup of agencies. They also will either be government workers, state or federal, most all willwork for a company,and very few will or have ever operated a business or done any thing in their life with out some agency giving them finanical support. Go Tea Party!!!

  • Bob Wire

    Not the best label,~ “Tea Party”. It had some meaning originally and stood for something, a protest on “Taxation without Representation” a rally cry of select treasonous countrymen that held visions of an independent nation if the Crown offered no more respect for her colonies then the contempt she was showing?

    Today, a radical clandestine political element that’s seen it necessary to requires an “explanation of intent”.

    That it has being found suspect and debated inside it’s own as well as partisan circles, should raise some concerns for everyone.

    Articulated accuracy being the first victim it seems. The words that represent the ideas, while the words have been most harsh, not only towards the Federal Government but fellow countrymen as well, willing to label opposition or descending views as Marxist and Communist.

    Until there is some respect shown for accuracy in the “words”,facts and data being address by it’s zestful members, choosing rather to use 5 words slogans and misapplied inference statement repeated over and over again with intentions of inciting feverish blind response with mob mentality, it’s days of productive use being very limited, I’m left to quandary.

    Power is not as hard to capture as it is to control. It require strong leadership that can wield power effectively and judiciously.

    The Tea Party has a ways yet to go in this area much less it being unable to accept “worthy opposition” as being healthy, constructive and what our nation was found on, a consensus of the people. They show no interest in a national consensus but willing to spent millions of dollars to manufacture a false consensus with false data that conforms to their views of the way a Republic should operate.

    There is a black man in the White House, something has went terribly wrong in America and only “now” is there seen this urgent need for corrections. Yet they speak little about addressing entrenched power or influence peddling of special interest. Seeming to be most willing to ignore the cold hard fact that Americas middle-class numbers are in a steep and sharp decline. Choosing rather to attack their own country men or Organized labor as the source of this decline. Too much government! While is was that very same government that they flourished in and impart responsible for their present prosperity or the prosperity the recently lost!

    A win/win situation is not being sought. Common ground is not being considered but conflict and conquest seems to be the goal.

    I’m not sure how well that will serve us without some restraints and strong leadership.

    We are experiencing some setbacks as a nation of people, the will of the nation has been misapplied, we suffer from both our*history and the changing tide of world events. We have no considered the masses of our national numbers as the world has entered the “Information Age”.

    How can any Nation stand the test of time as being a “Consumer Nation” to the rest of the world?

    I fail to understand how that arrangement will work.

    * If a nation becomes “post-industrial” it passes through, or dodges, a phase of society predominated by a manufacturing-based economy and moves on to a structure of society based on the provision of information, innovation, finance, and services.

    • Charie

      Bob, I must confess I have no idea of what you were trying to say in most of your post. However, I must admit my eyes popped when I came to the sentence, “There is a black man in the White House, something has went terribly wrong in America and only “now” is there seen this urgent need for corrections.”

      You seem to be saying that the Tea Party is racist in the matter of our black president or am I misreading what you’re said? If that’s what you’re saying, I say your statement is untrue. If you didn’t notice the rapidity which this administration pushed through all of these intrusive bills, you’ve been asleep.

      ***Until there is some respect shown for accuracy in the “words”,facts and data being address by it’s zestful members, choosing rather to use 5 words slogans and misapplied inference statement repeated over and over again with intentions of inciting feverish blind response with mob mentality****

      Please tell me who is misapplying words, facts and data. Also, who is it uses 5 word slogans? Surely this refers to the Democrat Liberal “get-togethers” wherein the groups chants “Bush lied, Soldiers died” (as though they even care) Is this what you meant? It can’t be the Tea Partiers because they use so many original slogans and statements on their signs and aren’t really into chanting except for “U.S.A.! U.S.A.”.

      I say we just let the groups who are duking it out to see which is the “Fairest Tea Party of them all” just keep doing just that. It won’t draw me into their fold. I’ll stick to my small 3 tea parties and we’ll go on our merry way.

      I donated once to the Tea Party Express but no more. They did raise the country’s awareness but now they’re on their own. There are too many of these groups that are begging for money all the time and I don’t like it. I think some of them are probably on the verge of being illegal by claiming they are money raising for a good cause when they’re only raising money for their organization to keep on going. They’re like the government and environmental groups. lol Sorry just had to throw that in. Sorry, but Michael Crichton had the straight skinny on environmental groups!

      Sorry, I wandered far afield.

    • Vigilant

      Bob Wire says of the Tea Party, “They show no interest in a national consensus but [are] willing to spent millions of dollars to manufacture a false consensus with false data that conforms to their views of the way a Republic should operate.”

      Your description is a damnation of the current administration, NOT the Tea Party. One of the tests of consensus is called “voting.” When a president claims the “shellacking” he got was merely a failure to communicate, he’s the one in denial of the message being sent. When a Congress and President put into law a program affecting 1/6 of the economy over the protests of the majority, he and his minions are not achieving consensus.

      When he plans to surreptitiously bypass the people via EPA to institute cap and trade sanctions, he is flouting the majority and turning the Constitution on its head. When he seeks to impose card check laws to take away the sacred freedom of secret ballot, by executive order rather than running it though the legislative process, he bypasses consensus and shows his utter contempt for the people.

      “False data?” How about “50 million uninsured?” Perhaps redlining reports without the permission of the scientists researching the BP oil spill, merely to push his environmentalist agenda? You might remember as well the famous statement, “without the stimulus package, unemployment will go above 8%. Or how about the “jobs created or saved” nonsense that has no basis in mathematical or economics fact.

      I could go on and on.

      One thing that’s abundantly clear about this current regime of statists is that “their views of the way a Republic should operate” are inconsistent with everything the Founders so wisely left us.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Barb Wire,
      the TEA party has only been found suspect by the progressives who are afraid of it as they are always afraid of the new and honest things in life. honesty Scares the hell out of them and that is good cause when they are scared they make mistakes and the people see them for what they really are! A bunch of crooks!!

  • Lewie Louie

    Focus, Focus, Focus!!!
    It is the budget and spending policies that are driving our road to ruin. Stop with the satilite issues and focus, focus, focus!! For the sake of our children and their liberty. My goodness, when will the adults in the room stand up and take action???

  • Gene

    You all have read or heard the following words before but did you pay attention to what the words are saying. They were written by Thomas Jefferson in “The Declaration of Independence”. Please read them again only this time absord what he is saying. Please close attention to the sentence in the second paragraph that starts with: –That to secure these rights………………, and continuing on the same sentence please read and re-read the words that starts with: –That when any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends……..
    ———————————————————————–

    When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

    ———————————————————————
    ……..IT IS THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO ALTER OR TO ABOLISH IT, AND TO INSTITUTE NEW GOVERNMENT…………… “WE THE PEOPLE”….”THAT GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE AND FOR THE PEOPLE SHALL NOT PERISH FROM THIS EARTH”………”ASK NOT WHAT YOUR COUNTRY CAN DO FOR YOU BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR YOUR COUNTRY”.

    It is about time we returned to the ‘CONSTITUTION’ and listen to our
    founding fathers. I think the TEA party constitues the right direction
    to return America to its sanity and with God’s help, and he/she will help us, “ASK AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE, SEEK AND YOU FIND”………….

    Have a wonderful Thanksgiving and we still have a lot to be thankfull
    for.

    Gene

  • Stan Lee

    I’ve read the interesting commentary in this thread. The spirit of Tea Party is alive and well here.

    Whatever Tea Party group you all individually identify with, the time will come when we’ll all need to support our causes via financial donations.

    We cannot beat the Democrat-Socialist machine with good intentions. They have George Soros money, we have “us” and our votes. It is not a fruitless task to undertake, we just must keep focused on the major direction in which we want our nation to go. We can prevail if our collective will remains strong.

  • FloridaGirl

    I am tired of hearing one tea party organization,bad mouth another one. There is no real tea party, the tea party are people, not organizations. They have no power to recommend or disalow anything. The values set by the constitution, are the values of the tea party. We can not expect everyone who shares our values of the constitution to agree with, what ever social values that we have. Power seekers, should step down, there is no room for them in this grass root movement.

  • Robert Smith

    From the article: “”A small group of non-Tea Party, non-conservatives, released a letter, trying to claim leadership of the Tea Party movement and purporting to tell you what the Tea Party movement wants,” Phillips wrote in his letter to Congress, quoted by CNN.”

    Maybe the Tea Party is like Christians!

    Different groups, different leaders… Some affiliated with each other, some not. Each and all claiming THEY are the one true Tea Party.

    But there are gay bishops, Christians who think abortion is a decision for each individual, there are black christians, Native American Christians, and even Jews for Jesus.

    Kinda interesting…

    Looks to me like the Tea Party won’t ever sort itself out because there is no “itself.”

    Rob

    • Vigilant

      Dream on…..

    • http://?? Joe H.

      A group of non- TEA party, non_conservatives?? Sounds like the progressives up to their old tricks of trying to discredit something they are afraid of by lying again!!!

      • Robert Smith

        Hey Joe, why don’t you go find out who the real tea-party was? Remember, the folks who dumped all that tea into Boston harbor.

        Rob

  • JMASTER

    As a retired soldier I value the Constitution as the basis of our freedoms. I have taken an oath many times during reenlistment that I hold dear to my heart. An oath is a lifetime oath. My oath was to defend the Constitution “against all enemies, forien and domestic”. We were required to read the Constitution and then tell what it meant to us. As one instructor stated. It’s not open to interpetation it says what the Founding Fathers meant during their time. One person here stated it says “NO State Religion” well you need to go back and read it. It says there will be seperation of church and state. Now let’s go back in time alittle. During the writing of the Constitution the Church of England “controlled or told King George” what religious laws would be in effect or he would be persecuted for heiracy. In the United States the Churches have no power or controll over the Goverment other than voting. It does not mean that God is dead in the Goverment. We have the right to freedom of religion. If you don’t believe that’s your problem. An athiest has not had a life theatning event to persuade them to pray. “There are no athiest in a foxhole” When the bullets fly you will pray to someone. Just ask any cop, fireman, soldier(who has seen combat) ect.
    Profiling. DUUH no brainer here. If a white male 20-28 years old robbed you, would you waste time stopping a searching Grandma for your belongings. Your an idiot if you do. YOUR LOOKING FOR A WHITE MALE 20-28 YEARS OLD!!!! DUUUUH. Profiling has it’s place.
    Do you walk into the parking lot looking for your red, Ford truck and walk up to all the blue Chevy cars and try your key in the lock.
    Are you that stupid.
    Look at whom the terrorist are. They are not white females 65-80 in wheel chairs.
    The problem with the Goverment in security matters is they REACT to a situation instead of being Proactive. Reaction is OK in emergency situations but not in long term. You should have a plan and do your homework.
    We as Americans are so worried about being “politically correct” that we endanger ourselves. Call a spade a spade. If it looks like cow sh*t and smells like it, it probably is cow sh*t. A rose by anyother name is still a rose. When you have a group of people whose main goal in life is to annialate you, don’t worry about insulting them. Check them head to toe. When they police their own crazies then maybe we will slack up on the good ones.
    Obama care is a waste. We should have our own choice in health care. Not have it shoved down our throats. Some who have no health care are in this boat by their own demise. I didn’t tell them to drop out of school or to do drugs or choose not to excel their lives. Many choose to work “under the table” to avoid taxes and such. They all have something in common. THEY MADE THE CHOICE. RESPONSIBILIY!!!!!
    Remember your parents telling you that YOU are responsible for your own future. Ever remember you parents preaching that you should drop out of school and become pregnant or do drugs or being a hobo.
    Yes STUPIDITY should be painful, learn from other peoples mistakes.
    Yes I understand that bad luck happens and we should give to those have no choice in being less fortunate. I don’t mind an agency for that. But when I see people abusing the system and having babies to keep benifits, this just pisses me off.
    A one size fits all health care is not the answer. Ask Great Britain about theirs. Europe is not the model we want to follow. Having lived in Europe for six years you learn alot from the inhabitants. They are broke partially due to their socialist concepts. Socialize this and socialize that. The few who are willing to work are paying for the lazy ones who learn to “USE” the system. The USERS outnumber the WILLING.
    I’m not sorry for what our country had to do to become great. We are not perfect but we are the best there is. Let’s quit trying to be like the failures in the world.
    As Albert Einstein said. “Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting differnt results”
    ARE YOU LIBERALS INSANE.

    • Robert Smith

      I posted: THERE WILL BE NO STATE RELIGION.

      JMASTER claims: “well you need to go back and read it. It says there will be seperation of church and state.

      Hey JMASTER, here is what the Constitution actually says: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”

      What part of “Shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion” did you miss?

      From J: “..what religious laws would be in effect or he would be persecuted for heiracy.” Doesn’t that sound a lot like the muslums? Yup, remember that there good old christanity and that there inquisition.

      J goes on: “It does not mean that God is dead in the Goverment.”

      But god is excluded BY LAW if an atheist wants to be able to serve in public office. From our Constitution: “but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.”

      So JMASTER the Founding Fathers were on top of the notion of religious nuts taking over America. MOF religious nuts aren’t allowed to impose their religion upon our government in spirit and in fact.

      Another false claim made by a christian: “An athiest has not had a life theatning event to persuade them to pray.”

      I know several who have been shot at and two who have been shot at and hit. I know several who have been in car wrecks, industrial accidents, and all sorts of bad things. Most who I know didn’t take the time to prey. They took care of business. Later some wondered why any god would let people suffer so. For some god just didn’t enter their thoughts. And for one he wondered why his god nearly killed him. At that time he was resentful and full of rage. I don’t konw how he turned out. At the time I thought he was a candidate for and would be much happier with anything except christanity, but I left him alone in that topic so he could make his own decision.

      Rob

  • Gene

    Consistancy is the last refuge of the unimaginative!

    What does that sentence mean regarding America’s position today? I would like to see some comments on it.

    • Vigilant

      Belief or adherence to basic principles can be either good or bad. The “imagination” that went into the founding of the principles can be either flawed or logically appealing.

      Taking the founding of our government, the imagination that went into it was almost miraculous. The important Founders, well read to a man, were extremely knowledgeable, having studied the rise and fall of the great nations, their philosophers and leaders. They applied their wealth of information to the task of building a new nation, “conceived in liberty and dedicated to the principle that all men are created equal.”

      They were mostly Deist, believing in the non-Christian “Creator” (a Deist term), although most attended church services and believed in Christian values. Most importantly, they created something that had never existed in the history of the world: a government that derived “its just powers from the consent of the governed.” For the first time, the individual was considered sovereign.

      The Constitution they crafted, imperfect as it was, was based on rule of law and not rule by person. In maximizing freedom of the individual, they created a model that was so successful that it remains the oldest written document of its kind in the world.

      Its efficacy depended upon the preservation of its basic provisions of Republican government. Its beauty is contained in the fact that it provided for its own revision over time, but made the process laborious in doing so.

      Now the position of America today hinges on whether or not the selfishness and lust for power of its leaders can be bridled by the purely “unimaginative” return to the principles which made the nation great. This is, pure and simple, a demand for “consistency” and respect for the rule of Constitutional law that has suffered so much in the past decades.

      So, at least in this case, that which can be considered unimaginative and consistent is the only hope of regaining the promises of 1776 and 1789. And that is good, not bad.

      • Robert Smith

        Hey Vigilant, you posted: “Taking the founding of our government, the imagination that went into it was almost miraculous.”

        Ain’t no mirracle about it. It was time.

        Many had a strong foundation in Masonry. Very strong arguments can be made that is where they drew from to create the foundations America are built on.

        Rob

  • Vigilant

    “Consistancy (sic) is the last refuge of the unimaginative!

    “What does that sentence mean regarding America’s position today? I would like to see some comments on it.”

    It’s difficult to assess precisely what you mean by that statement, but I think I can come close.

    First, it’s obvious you are using the term “unimaginative” as an absolute negative, patterned after the often-used “patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.” You are therefore categorically describing “consistency” as something bad.

    “Consistent” in your context is defined as “conforming to a single set of principles, or to previous action or belief” (Funk & Wagnall’s). Consistency can be either good or bad, depending upon the situation, so I first of all reject the characterization as necessarily bad.

    Regarding America’s position today, or more realistically, the opinions of its people, complete consistency is almost impossible to find except amongst the fanatics of all stripes.

    The reverence for the sanctity of life, for example, is generally inconsistent whether one is on the left or right of the abortion issue. A consistent philosophy regarding the sanctity of life would cherish it on all parts of the spectrum, from birth to death. The right reveres the life of the unborn child but supports capital punishment. The left is willing to dispense of the unborn, but reveres the life of the death row criminal. Neither view, in my mind, is consistent.

    To be continued….

    • Robert Smith

      From Vigilant: ” A consistent philosophy regarding the sanctity of life would cherish it on all parts of the spectrum, from birth to death.”

      A consistant philosophy regarding freedom would cherish if for each individual on ll parts of the spectrum, including just not white guys but women, blacks, and all the others in America who get tramples under the heels of the religious right.

      After all, how can you expect freedom if you don’t allow others to make their own decisions, particularly those as pwersonal about what to do with their own bodies.

      Rob

      • GregS

        Robert, the unborn child is NOT part of the woman’s body. He/She is a separate living human organism with his/her own genome, sex, blood type, etc. Any medical textbook will tell you this.

  • David R

    I have skimmed through this blog. The most frequent blogger by far is Robert Smith with with 43 postings between November 24, 2010 at 6:00 am and November 27, 2010 at 8:12.

    It is clear that you don’t have much sympathy for the Tea Party movement, Robert, as a progressive who disagrees with all the fundamentals that the Tea Party is pushing for . Also seems you have too much time on your hands.

    Here is your list

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    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      I bet Denniso beats this record.

    • Robert Smith

      It’s called free speech. Do you want to limit it?

      BTW, interesting tactic making ME the issue rather than the falsehoods I’m generally correcting. Thanks for the example of someone who doesn’t have a valid argument and attacks the individual personally.

      Rob

      • GregS

        Robert, you don’t correct falsehoods. You CREATE them!

  • MR.Washington

    Off topic: Congress Quietly prepares to Renew PATRIOT Act
    http://www.dailypaul.com/node/154338

    “The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves.”
    George Washington

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