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Tea Party Activists Blast Lindsey Graham's Comments

July 16, 2010 by  

Tea Party Activists Blast Lindsey Graham's CommentsAfter a string of late spring primaries in which many Tea Party candidates gained nominations, some prominent conservatives have criticized the movement for what they see as its extreme agenda that threatens to turn off moderate voters in November.

In recent comments to The New York Times, Senator Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said that the movement is “unsustainable” and will “die out” because it does not have a long-term coherent vision. Graham also expressed his concern that the GOP has moved too far to the right.

The senator, who is a known moderate, stated that “everything I’m doing now in terms of talking about climate, talking about immigration, talking about Gitmo is completely opposite of where the Tea Party movement’s at.”

These comments have upset representatives of the National Tea Party Federation, who called on Graham to apologize for what they see as insulting comments.

Mark Lloyd, chairman of the Lynchburg, Va. Tea Party, said that the South Carolina Senator’s words demonstrate that he is out of touch with regular Americans who are becoming ever more engaged politically.

“The growth in the number of conservative grassroots political organizations, including those considering themselves ‘Tea Party’ is increasing rapidly, much to his dismay, and to the dismay of his fellow Washington elites,” he stated.ADNFCR-1961-ID-19890850-ADNFCR

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  • Viktor Leben

    It’s to bad people like “Lindsey Graham” end up writing the history books….. Their is a big possibility the noble Senator is worried about his legacy. Don’t worry Senator ! The Tea Party movement has been sufficiently sabotaged by your Republican Party. They don’t have a chance in Hell to make a difference….

    • royallyangry

      Lindsey Graham is a elitist Rino. He’s angry that the ‘little’ people are taking a stand.

      • Norm

        royallyangry
        “Little” in mind only people = teabaggers.

        • Bruce

          Sir Norm,
          From your post I have observed over the last year you have little to speak of as far as the mental department. By the was you also have yet to answer a simple question asked of you over and over.
          You made the claim that you were an engineer, so were you one who invented or repaired? Can’t you answer that question Mr Engineer?
          Or is that to hard a question for an ENGINEER to grasp?

          • Norm

            Bruce
            I’m a graduate BSEE with a MSCS (computer engineering). I worked as a research engineer for most of my working career specializating in automation. Graduate Engineers rarely work as repairmen but it is somtimes part of the development phase of engineering.
            That’s my resume let us see yours.

          • Ellen

            Norm = shill

          • Claire

            Norm– I am a high school graduate and I also graduated from the school of hard knocks. Am I proud, you bet I am. I have learned important things my entire life. I have a wonderful job, and I consider myself to be as worthy as anyone with degrees coming out the cazoo.

          • http://1972lenny@live.com larry m.

            it sounds like “norm”, might have his head in other places!! he has a crappy outlook, in life!!

          • Jana

            Norm,
            From your brilliant answers that I have seen this past year I can believe you are a computer engineer. Most engineers of any type have no common sense and are always so sure of themselves. Boy you fit right in that category. Someone who thinks he is better than everyone else, just like Obama. Same type of misguided personality.
            You must have a wonderful wife to put up with you all of these years, her credit, not yours.

          • DaveH

            Norm,
            Name me an object-oriented program language that uses pointers.
            Actually that’s too easy.
            Name me a programming language that is a pet amongst CS professors, yet is shunned by commercial industry. Hint: It uses a 3-letter function that is pronounced ‘could-er’.

          • Viktor Leben

            Hey ! I Know ! Are you talking about “LISP” ???

          • Norm

            DaveH
            Is this a test?
            I personally did a lot of low level programming over my long career. I’ve programmed in assembly languages for several Intel micros. I am very proficient in C and Pascal. As far as object oriented with pointers (redundant), I do C++ and Visual Basic. Note that National Instrument has a graphic language called Lab View which is great for hardware control.
            I also do electronic hardware design. I design on the chip level, board level, and lately on the system level. Most automation these days is done with PC’s as opposed to in house computer board designs. Of course interfaces, especially I/O’s, A/D’s, D/A’s and signal conditioners still need to be designed by guys like me.
            As far as your “mystery language” I’m not sure of what you speak.

            Tell me Dave what do you do?

          • DaveH

            Norm,
            If you indeed have a masters in CS, you should be able to easily solve my last question.
            It was invented in the 1970s, so right around the time you would have gotten your degree.
            Just one of my quirks. I don’t trust Liberals. Anybody who can casually help themselves to the legally earned money of others is certainly capable of telling lies.

          • DaveH

            Viktor,
            Very Good. Actually, I was thinking of Scheme which, as you probably know, is a descendent of Lisp.

        • marvin

          Norm you of all should know about small things is your boy friend leaving you for being small in the teabagging, the rest of us man with womam, womam with man teaparty don,t have that trouble we belive in god and famly and country and not start name calling,i am sure some site like homosexual.com would be better for you,if you disagree thats fine but to dispair good people by calling the teaparty members teabagger is even below your standers of zero, oh you have no moral standers you say

          • Norm

            marvin
            I’ve been married to the same gal for 40+ years and have 2 kids and 6 grand kids. I don’t teabag do you?

          • eddie47d

            Marvin. You are so shallow

        • http://Comcast.net John D

          Norm, for all that supposed intelleigence you seem a little stupid or maybe it’s just plain ignorance. You are probably a product of the sixties and that would explain everything!

          • Bob Wire

            everybody a product of something JD ~ in some case, the best part running down their mo ~~ I’m not going to say that !

            L. Graham is right, ~ there is little focus in the tea party and it will not be sustained. But for now, they are real and fueled by political entertainers.

            God, Country, Red White and Blue , mom and Apple pie is a very generic call to arms for all Americans and doesn’t begin to address the issues before us today. The Tea Party has attempted to make issues ~ that is true, but the commie or socialist fear is not playing in every theater and it won’t.

            The Tea Party, as far as I can tell is made up of disenfranchised GOP members ~and understandably so. After 22 of the last 30 years of GOP leadership and we find us where we are at today. I’m annoyed as well.

            They want to change the face of the GOP ~ which is a start! but it not the “face” of the GOP that’s causing us such great problems. It’s the special interest power structure behind the face that’s causing us such problems. ~ The Tea Party has yet to address this and for that reason alone ~ I can not support such a movement and see them as purely a rouse, a “feel good measure” for party faithfuls, a proxy for special interest ~ doing the dirty work the GOP can not openly do without showing their “hand” and true intentions.

        • Norm

          ELLEN
          shill
          [n] a decoy who acts as an enthusiastic customer in order to stimulate the participation of others . ??

        • Jonathan

          Norm. Do you know what “tea bagging” is? It is an elicit sex act. I resent you’re having used it to reference the Tea Party movement. The movement was specifically designed to bring the Reps back to where they need to be, and the Reps are (in their own way) becoming as elitist as the Dems and may need to be replaced as well as the Dems. My high school biology teacher once said “it is better for one to keep one’s mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt”. Take the hint.

          • Smilee

            Why didn’t you take your teachers’s advise!!!!!!!!

          • Kinetic1

            Johnathan,
            Perhaps it is time to stop using that term, but let’s not forget how it started. According to the National Review;
            “The first big day for this movement was Tax Day, April 15. And organizers had a gimmick. They asked people to send a tea bag to the Oval Office. One of the exhortations was “Tea Bag the Fools in D.C.” A protester was spotted with a sign saying, “Tea Bag the Liberal Dems Before They Tea Bag You.” So, conservatives started it: started with this terminology. But others ran with it and ran with it.

            It was both a convenient club with which to beat the movement as well as an example of what we might expect to see in the future. Soon we began to read slogans like “get a brain, you moran(sic)” “Right-Wing Extremists: #1,George Washington #2, Thomas Jefferson #3, Benjamine (sic) Franklin” and “Congress Shred Your Taxing Scholiast Policies NOT MY Constitutional Freedoms!” I guess this last person had issues with Congress placing notes in the margins. Add these and many other unintentionally amusing signs to the racially motivated signs and you get a pretty good idea of why we question the future (and the motivation) of this movement.

          • Harold Olsen

            Perhaps Norm is a practitioner. Perhaps he’s even a student of Barney Frank.

        • http://PersonLibertyDigest Dee

          Don’t use the term teabaggers, it means something totally different.
          Look it up on google.

        • JC

          I guess your resume also includes some expertise on “Tea Bagging” does it?
          You do seem to be pre-occupied with tthe term.

          • http://n.cates@cox.net Norman F.

            I want all you people to SHUT UP!! There is a question before us and it means something to our future, but all you can do is put each other down. Get a life for Pete’s sake, make meaningful comments or go away.

        • DaveH

          “specializating”, Norm? And you claim to have a masters degree?
          Due to the fact that you have shown little intelligence in your comments, I suspect that you looked up that degree on the internet.
          Liberals are liars, Norm, and I suspect that you are no exception.
          If indeed you are telling the truth, you are an embarrassment to educated people, as your mind is closed like a steel trap.

          • JC

            Its the typical arrogance we’ve come to expect from lefty socialists.
            They need to validate themselves somehow…they’re still a bunch of idiots though.

          • Norm

            Spelling is not one of my strengths. I use spell check when I really care.
            I am not surprised that you doubt my education. Closed minded, paranoid gun packers don’t believe much of anything.
            Not only do I have bachelors and masters degrees, but my masters is from a very highly rated engineering school. Eat your heart out.
            By the way I don’t need to lie to you. You frankly aren’t worth it.

          • DaveH

            Eat my heart out Norm? Surely you jest. A Liberal is the last person on this earth I would ever envy.
            By the way, what happened to the accounting degree you claimed months ago? Not worth mentioning?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            DaveH,
            Thanks, I thought I was imagining things when I remembered that!!! He did claim that!!!

          • JC

            It isn’t that anyone doubts your education, it’s just that it is irrelevant to your having any knowledge of economics, morality, ethics, or general events of any kind other than those specific to your field. So…what’s your point?

          • Norm

            DaveH
            I never claimed an accounting degree because I don’t have one. I dislike accountants in general because they operate on a different wave length than engineers. Oddly, my son is an accountant.
            My MS degree is from 1989 (night school) and was paid for by my employer. The course was computer engineering, and although a CS degree was awarded, was rich in EE courses.
            I never was formally presented with Lisp, all of my software courses were in Pascal and Modula 2.
            What about you Dave? What’s your background? Your love of the 1765 life style leads me to believe you like farming and hate science and engineering. Did you educate yourself? Why depend on anyone else.
            I think you’re a sham who thinks he’s far cleverer than he really is.

      • refuse2lose

        What I am doing is exactly opposite of what the TP stands for…..REALLY???? Maybe he should think about siding with the team that is going to get lambasted in November. It makes me wonder why he is doing what he is doing….he knows the American majority does not want any of what the liberals are offering,yet he continues playing “water-boy” for the liberals. Maybe he is like Gore and will rake in millions from climate change legislation.

      • bargal

        If Lindsay Graham had any thought about how the American people feel about the way this country is headed he would get his head out from between his legs, grow some gonads and start impeachment procedures against the socialist Kenyan enjoying destroying this country and stop telling people they don’t have it right. I spent too many years in the military having to take crap from people like him that thought they new what was best for everyone instead of gathering the information from all and then making a judgement. Retire Lindsay as you are as irresponsible an unbelievable as Spector and Leiberman

    • will

      I’m one who won’t forget what the little “o” and his thugs have done to america so far, and we’ll certainly remembe the demo in sheeps clothing named Graham.

      Remember in November

    • paradigm shift

      Viktor Liben- I’m glad to see that some people (besides me) see what happened to the tea party. I was so exited about the 9/12 march on Washington, only to see it usurped before my very eyes by that shill Glen Beck, FOX News(Rupert Murdock) and Sarah Palin (hand picked by Neocons) If that weren’t bad enough, the tea party consists of idiots that believe in the bogus ‘war on terror’ a ‘war’ on an ideology created by the USA (terrorists) a ‘war’ that cannot be won, lost, or ended, as Bush Jr. called it ‘an eternal war’ that supports the
      military/industrial complex, and destroys innocent people and their homes.

    • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy

      Wrong Viktor, the Tea Party has and is making a big difference, but don’t take my word for it, just ask the Honorable Senator when his re-election comes up. The Honorable Senator will see that the long term coherent vision of the Tea Party is to bring the country back to its Christian Conservative roots by replacing all conservative pretenders with real conservatives, is it no wonder why he’s trying to weaken and down-play this new political movement. I for one, along with many others, are tired of voting for Republicans that are suppose to be conservatives, but when it comes down to whats good for them instead of the country, abandon our conservative values, ideals, and principles and vote for their own benefits instead of that of their constituents. The Tea Party is just saying that its now time for them to pay the piper, for we aren’t going to accept this any longer and will find people who are going to stand up for our principles and values instead of what personally benefits them. This attitude and the Tea Party will prevail in the political arena for some time to come as the watch dog for conservative ideals, values, and principles and will oppose those who won’t. They have proven to be, and are, a political force. Mr. Graham knows for whom the bell tolls for next.

      • Smilee

        Only about twenty percent of the voting public identifies themselves as tea baggers so will need a lot of help from the normal people if you have any hope of reaching your dream! Good Luck!!!!!!!!!!

        • libertytrain

          Smilee – you have your figures wrong:
          “Scientific studies have reported the percentage of those whose sexual attraction is only towards the same sex are range from 4% to 7.5% for women and 7.7% to 13.95% for men with the averages being 9.37% for men and 4.87% for women.”

          • Smilee

            Feel sorry for you, such a stupid s response, unbelievable to normal people.

          • libertytrain

            sorry I don’t follow your slam at me. But that’s ok – it is your style. You said the teabaggers – I thought you were being the rude one to the folks of the gay persuasion – and called other people normal. Who was being “stupid” – I don’t use the word myself – but since you brought it up.

          • Claire

            smilee–libertytrain is one of the most sensible people on this blog. But I forgot, you do not appreciate common sense or logical thoughts.

          • JC

            Those who are using the term “Teabaggers” have some deep rooted sexual problems of their own. It’s probably just part of some larger character defects.

          • Smilee

            libertytrain says:
            July 16, 2010 at 11:19 pm
            Claire says:
            July 17, 2010 at 12:44 am
            JC says:
            July 17, 2010 at 11:08 am

            So you all understand in my book Tea Party Activists equal Tea Baggers as it does for most people until someone come up with this idiotic sexual conation and the term zI feel besrt fitting. Had you asked me, before you all shot your big mouths off I would have told you but you based your responses solely on spin and assumptions if you had not done so you would not have made yourselves look this foolish. Thus all your conclusions are totally incorrect too.

          • libertytrain

            Smilee – You are free to think what you like – as are we.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Smelly,
            I don’t understand your problem, all she did was correct you with the actual rates as per your idiotic post

          • Claire

            smilee– So I have a big mouth. Hmmm. I looked in the mirror and it doesn’t look big. It looks like a mouth that speaks the truth and because I have always heard the truth can sometimes hurt, I can understand why you became upset.

          • JC

            Hit a nerve smilee?

      • Viktor Leben

        Thanks, Randy ! I stand corrected…..

      • http://n.cates@cox.net Norman F.

        Now this is a post I can relate to. Nobody knows how big the total Tea Party membership is. At my last count, two weeks ago, there were 2068 separate Tea Parties in the US and I know of several that have been formed since.
        The group I attend has between 150 and 200 members. Our goal is the total replacement of the Congress. We can get the House and 1/3 of the Senate this year and all we miss we’ll get next time.
        We don’t attack the President. He is not half black he is half Arab. You can tell by the ears. All blacks have small ears set close to their head, depending on how much other blood is in their ancestry, but Arabs have large ears. Make the comparison with your black friends.

    • wayne a

      VIKTOR,don’t have a hell of a chance of making a difference? where have you been,they already have and will even more so in the Nov. election.

      • Viktor Leben

        Obviously, I’m out of touch with whats going on … Thanks Wayne !

    • Nancy Meinhardt

      The 912 and the Tea Party groups are here to stay. The Republican Party will either move to the right or will die. Graham is part of the problem, he and others like him must be removed it is the only way to save the party.

  • s c

    Does anyone not understand why Graham is such a loser? Who does that clown think he is? Conservatives are not the problem.
    When it comes to politics, it’s RINO sleazoids and spineless Republicans who need to get their heads screwed on right. Graham sounds like a Republican parrot that can’t learn lines. I don’t see how ‘Republicans’ could be any worse off if Graham pulled a ‘Specter’ and switched sides.
    Take a hike, Graham. Any elected official who’s supposedly a Republican or a conservative but who puts on a progressive dog-and-pony review is about as useful as a brothel owner at an ethics seminar. Retire, you dingbat.

    • Norm

      s c
      There is a world of difference between a true old school Republican and a radical, non thinking, anarchist, neocon extremist. I’ll take the Republican any time.

      • Ms. Jones

        Because a moderate Republican is nothing but a closet Democrat. Why do you progressives persist in assuming that Tea partiers are Republican supporters? Some of the worst assaults on the Constitution committed in recent history have been committed by so-called moderate Republicans aided and abetted by a Democrat-majority Congress.

        • MOMSRIGHT

          Clearly America is tired of the statis Quo, Bush and the RINO’s biggest mistake was to think they could compromise with the radical agenda of the Demos and come out some where in the middle! if you don’t make a stand for something then you stand for nothing! Obama fooled a lot of people with his hope and change mantra. Many thought, oh my goodness, finally a man who wants to make a difference! Of course the hope and change he is leading the country to is only a smoke screen for destroying our country as we know it and taking away all or hard won freedoms! Is it any wonder the tea party has sprung up from the grass roots of regular American people who are tired of playing politics and are making a stand for the Judeo-Christian values this country was founded upon! We are in a war, but it is not the war you suppose, it is a war of right and wrong, good and evil, God and satan! There is no middle ground here for what fellowship has light with darkness? We are all going to have to decide what side we stand on! There is a scripture in Revelations and I loosely quote. “I would rather you be hot or cold, but if you are warm {meaning straddling the fence} I will spew you out of my mouth!

          • Mark L

            As long as you keep throwing the god thing into politics you will lose a lot of people. I for one am an atheist who is fiscally conservative and socially somewhere between conservative and libertarian.
            The best approach is to keep religion out of politics and politics out of religion.

          • paradigm shift

            @MOMSRIGHT- Spoken like a true tea party adherent! Not that I’m completely opposed to the tea party. I’m glad that Americans are (finally) waking up. Unfortunately, they are all Republicans (Not real Republicans) but the new Republicans (as in warmonger/neo-cons) who would die for their hero Bush Jr. (search the Franklin Cover-up) and Bush Sr. (the eugenics enthusiast)who believe 90 percent of us ‘useless eaters’ should be eliminated, to leave 9 percent workers for the 1 percent ‘royal blood elitists’ (the Bushes) If it weren’t for ‘the decider’ Obama wouldn’t have been able to get away with the ‘power grab’ that he has, he just continued where Bush left off. Bush set the record for signing statements, in fact, he was responsible for more signing statements than all 42 previous presidents combined, telling Congress that he had no intention of adhering to some 1,100 laws.
            BTW- It’s Revelation, not Revelations. There is no such thing as Judeo-Christian, it’s a misnomer. Zionists are Babylonian Talmudic Ashkenazi’s and are no relation to Abraham, Issac or Jacob. God does not have one specific people group as his ‘chosen people’ but has taken people from every tribe, tongue and nation of the earth who trust in His son Jesus Christ. I used to be a dispensationalist/fundamentalist like yourself until I began to study the origins of the ‘new wind of doctrine’ the rapture of the Church. The teaching is only a little over 200 years old. Thanks to that scoundrel Scofield and the man who paid his bills for 20 years while he wrote ‘his’ bible. That man was Samuel Untermyer. You are right that we are in a war, right vs wrong,good vs evil, but you and I both know that ‘the battle is the Lord’s.’ Artero Azurdia has a wonderful series of pod casts (sermons) on the book of Revelation that is very enlightening, in fact, it changed my life, hence, the name- paradigm shift.

          • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy

            The time for compromise is over and done, America is now fighting for its very existence economically, morally, and politically to keep the one world government from destroying us with marxist socialism that usurps our rights and freedoms. Only the Constitution stands in their way. If Obama completes his term as President by spending the millions of dollars he’s paying in attorneys fees to stall or dismiss law suits brought forth for him to prove he meets the requirements of the Constitution to hold the office of the Presidency, then reveals that he isn’t a ‘natural born citizen’ therby not meeting those requirements, he will have established a precedent and caused the first domino of irrevelency of the Constitution to have fallen and thereby instituting a possible chain of events for its demise, along with the American people’s freedom and this country. So goes the Constitution, so goes this country, and so goes the American people!

          • eddie47d

            Randy and mom; If,If,If, If Obama does this or that the Country will collaspe.We have survived much bigger crises’ in America. I find it hard to believe we even got through the depression as negative as prople are now. Maybe they had real faith back then Ye of so little faith. Slandering and mocking Obama does not produce facts OR even a rope to hang himself with. Your Marxist diatrabe and weak accusations only strengthens his hand.

          • Mike In MI

            paradigmshift – GREAT LOGIC in your post on this thread.

            In the First Century Church the Judaizers were Paul’s and Peter’s greatest enemies. They were constantly following, or chasing, Paul around attempting to kill him. Their other favorite past time was to move into an area where Paul had newly brought the Gospel and try to convince the new believers Paul was an heretic from Judaism.
            Remember they were the “Judeo-” part of “Judeo-Christian” who were Jesus Christ’s constant foes to stop his ministry. They were followers of Hillel and his bunch and were the primary instigaters to have Jesus Christ tried and to try to destroy him. For three days and three nights they succeeded.
            If you check it out God refers to them in places as of “the Jews religion”. Jesus often, when confronted by them, pointed out their unbelief and lack of understanding of the Old Testament (Mosaic Law and the other O.T. scriptures). What really galled them was Christ’s miracles and healings.
            Like modern day ministers who are devoid of Truth, the followers of Judaism couldn’t get God to do squat for them if they prayed for anybody. But Jesus could – and so could his disciples. Well, the judaism guys thought they were the “called of God” in their day. But, they couldn’t get God to help them minister; neither could the Temple priests – just like today. So, they had to marginalize believers or kill them – just like today, when somebody comes around teaching and ministering in the power of the true God. The demoninations hate it.

            God isn’t out of business. But those who follow the Judaisers of today will soon find their spirituality…turned off(?)…tuned out(?)…um-m-m,gone flat, like a two day old, open beer bottle. You can’t help yourself in any way by aligning yourself with God’s detractors.

            So, why are the hyper-modernistic “Christian” leaders so hep(?) on “Judeo-Christian”? Makes no sense to me.

          • Viktor Leben

            Paradigm Shift,

            I respectfully disagree with your view of the Jewish People. God chose one people and one nation He called as belonging to Him .. that’s Israel. Us GOYIM (Gentiles) are blessed by them because of God’s grace and our Savior the Lord Jesus Christ. We’ve been grafted in, by a merciful and benevolent Creator. Some of the branches are Gentile but the trunk is Isreal. We share in thier blessing, THAT WE DON”T DESERVE !!!

            I know their are many liberal Jews (Just as their are LIBERAL GENTILES, have you ever noticed that ?) but God will favor whoever he wants to (and that’s the Jews !) . I’m just glad for salvation, that’s good enough !!

            THE USA has less rights to it’s land THAN ISRAEL DOES …. When thy sing the song from EXODUS . “This land is mine, God gave this land to me…” That’s the fact, jack !

            In the END the whole world will be RULED from JERUSALEM, the KING sitting on the THRONE is a JEW !
            I cheated and read the back of the book (The Bible) …

            Other than that …I agree with alot you have to say ……

          • Viktor Leben

            Mike in Mi,

            I think you are confusing the “judaizers” with the Jewish rulers. The “Judaizers” wanted the Gentile converts to also follow Mosaic Law …. If you read in the book of Acts this issue was settled at the Council of Jerusalem.

            As for Hillel he taught: “That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn.” Similar to the Lord Jesus Christ 2nd commandment “Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you”….

            Hillel died about 10 AD …… Here is something to consider (speculation) in Luke 2 v39 – 52 The Lord Jesus Christ (at the age of 12) was talking with the teachers. Was one of those Teachers Hillel ? Did the AUTHOR (The Lord Jesus Christ) of the Scriptures teach Hillel ?

            Maybe we should say Christian- Judeo instead of Judeo-Christian !

      • Al

        There is a world of difference between a true old school Democrat and a radical, non thinking, anarchist, neoliberal extremist, Socialist. I’ll take the old school Democrat any time!

        • wayne a

          well AL,you can have the old school dem! democrats have been in charge of the house 53 of the last 63yrs and the senate 56 of the last 63yrs.and look at the mess this country is in,if the shoe fits wear it!

          • Smilee

            1995 through 2007 is twelve years, subtract 53 from 63 and you only get 10 years, your numbeers do not add up neither does any of your post!!

          • DaveH
          • Smilee

            DaveH

            Oh Dave. wayne and your article are talking about two different things, reread his post it is incorrect, the article you site is correct but its talking about something different than wayne was, I stand by my post

          • DaveH

            You’re so funny, Sleepee. First of all, my link does indeed pertain to wayne’s comment. Second of all, I didn’t say either one of you was right or wrong. What’s the matter, guilty conscience?

          • Smilee

            Gee, I was wrong, I gave you credit for having the intelligence to figure out the difference but I as I said I was wrong you lack that intelligence

          • DaveH

            Sleepee,
            I would need more than intelligence to figure out your posts. Maybe if you passed me that joint, I would be in a frame of mind to understand your comments.

      • DaveH

        Do you even know what anarchy is, Norm? If you love Big Government, then one would think you would expect all people to obey the law. That includes the people in Government. If select people are exempt from that requirement, then why is Big Government any better than anarchy?
        As John Adams said “We are a nation of laws, not of men”.
        In other words, no man is above the law.
        It is typical for Liberals to think laws are meant for other people, not themselves.

        • libertytrain

          Amen to that -

        • Norm

          DaveH
          Well you certainly know what anarchy means. You are one of its biggest proponents.
          No one is above the law and that includes you.

          • DaveH

            Surprise, Surprise, Norm is telling a lie.
            Please show me kind sir where I have ever advocated anarchy?
            Typical Liberal misinformation.
            When are you guys going to learn some facts instead of relying on childish manipulative tactics?

          • JC

            DaveH, we already know that socialists are programmed to respond to the tenets of liberty and freedom with false and shallow accusations of “Anarchy”. All the while advocating compliance and conformity like the useless, stand in line “tools” that they are.

    • will

      Right on!!!!

    • Carolina Mom

      Amen! I can’t wait for his turn @ re-election… he’s not going to be a Senator much longer.

      “Everything I’m doing now….. is completely opposite of where the Tea Party movement’s at.” Well, Duh! Lindsay.. you’d think that would be a wake-up call. Look at the support your colleague Jim DeMint has gotten by being a true-to-his-principles conservative.

      What an idiot!

    • Jerry A. Holloway Sr.

      S.C. I am from Graham’s district in South Carolina and if he had been up for his seat this time he would find out that we have Identified his willingness to sell us out and join the Liberal leftist and pass or help them to pass items we have sent emails and phone calls to vote against but like the left he believes we should sit down and shut up , he should realize we are the south and when told to do so we fight back even harder as not to be ruled by someone that has no idea what the people want.

  • Claire

    Graham is a loser. He talks slow-witted and he acts slow-witted. However, the Tea Party organization is going downhill too as far as I am concerned. The Tea Party here in town has been overtaken by the Republicans. I have attended two parties and I will not go to another. I know too many people that consider the Tea Parties to be Republican oriented now. Maybe the tea parties started out being “neutral” and for all people but when I look and hear what is going on, nope, the Republicans appear to have taken over. And a lot of them are trying to pass themselves off as true “Conservatives.” I don’t believe that either. Not for a minute. Some of these people will do anything to get elected. And I mean anything. The signs I see displayed at these parties are disgusting. I would never do that to any president that was in office. I think the hate mentality is doing more harm than any good. When it comes down to the nitty gritty—hate will not rule. Maybe the hate will work for some people, but there are people out there that are offended by it. November will be a crap shoot. Personally, I don’t think either party can depend on a complete “win.” It will remain divided and nothing will change.

    • RHSchumann

      I agree with everything you say except the opening line. Why is Graham a loser? I don’t know that much about him but what he said about the Tea Party makes imminent sense.

      • royallyangry

        read his voting record. He’s one of the ones who want the libs to ‘like us’.

        • RHSchumann

          Perhaps he votes his conscience and not the party line!

          • MOMSRIGHT

            It’s funny how the Dems think someone is voting their conscience when they agree with them, and how they think that same person is a radical right-winger when they make a stand for conservative issues. The liberal-socialists have done a great job in redefining,and political correctness! Pretty soon they may even have me convinced that up is really down! Bill Clinton is a committed family man, and a baby in the womb is a choice and not a person! The Bible says; “woe to those who call good evil and evil good!”

        • will

          The only thing the libs like about us is our money, which they recklessly squander.

          • Bob Wire

            Right, ~ we want your money ~ where it at? ~ buried in a can out back?

            Tell us where ~ or we’ll talk mean about you until you do! ~ You know , we don’t have any money and depend on all you Tea Party folk to give us some.

            We don’t pay any taxes either ! You are the only ones paying taxes!

            I just can’t understand why you want to hold out on us like that! ~ Share the wealth man ! Pony up ~ I bought my last meal now it’s your turn to buy me one!

            IS that the way you think? Life is free for everyone but yourself? That’s a very inaccurate and twisted view of present affairs.

            Planed Parenthood has a big job on their hands and falling way behind in this country.

          • Norm

            will
            The flaw there is that most of the red states get more cash from Washington than they pay in.

          • Mike In MI

            Bob Wire – Our money “where it at”?
            How about…UHM-m-m…it been stolen by any and all the “right” and “left” -winger wankers that have been stealing everything to be misappropriated for ungodly purposes for the last sixty years. Yeah, show me where it’s been put to use for anything God considers a “worthy purpose”, effort or group. Not much there to point to. Oh, “faith based” this-or-that you say. Like “faiths” of the rever end Wright’s, you say, or other government chosen and affiliated “worthiness”. Lately our rulers seem to only give out to those willing to give kick-backs or sell votes to magnify their control. Just like every despotic and tyrranical outfit that ever
            held sway over their populace. Caesar, Mohammed, Robespierre, Pope Leo, King George, Stalin, Mao, Hirohito, Wilson, FDR, Obama – all megalomaniacs, all obsessed with power and their own glory (to name a few).
            Real good, Bob. Your understanding of what a republic is or “statesmen” are is so-o-o-o impressive.

          • DaveH

            Norm,
            How does that refute Will’s claim that the money is recklessly squandered?

    • Linda

      Could it be that the Tea Party appears to be Republican because their Conservative values are being endorsed by Republicans and not by Democrats. Could it be that Republicans are listening to and respecting the Tea Party and the Democrats aren’t? Could it be that you are a so-called Progressive, radical Democrat and nothing a conservative says or does will please you?

      • slickporsche

        You are getting warmer with every word.

      • Bruce

        Linda, A good point.

        Anyone who can see this for what it really is, the Tea Party is effecting the Marxist in charge of our governemnt now.
        Thus they allow a RINO lap doggie to discharge politicaly motivated rhetoric to discredit a group that is obviously beating the progressive marxist back. If that were not true then the statment would never have been made, nor placed in print. Think about the reasons why things are done whats the real issue to cause the effect?

      • marvin

        Linda WELL SAID AND RIGHT ON

      • http://Comcast.net John D

        Couldn’t have said it better!

      • Ms. Jones

        Linda, what you say is true . . . up to a point. Remember the Contract with America Republicans? Once elected, they caved. Now Republicans are delighted to show up at Tea Party rallies, because they see an opportunity to take back the House, and maybe the Senate, as well. But beware! Carefully examine the record of any candidate, Republican and Democrat alike. Do not fall for the fallacy that, to defeat the Democrats, you must vote for the Republican–the RINOs are counting on it! Now as never before, we have an opportunity to vote for the BEST candidate to represent the values of limited government, fiscal responsibility, and free markets, and s/he just might be an Independent!

        • Bob Wire

          If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck the chances are good, it’s a duck.

          • John

            Bob,

            Based on your analogy you must be a real sleaze bag.

          • DaveH

            Careful, John, you don’t want to ruffle Bob’s feathers. He might go quackers on you.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            John,
            No just a true dyed in the wool PROGRESSIVE!!!!

        • wayne a

          MS JONES,right now we have to stop having a dem, pres,dem house and a dem senate that can push through obama’s agenda.once we can stop obama,by having either the house or sen. controlled by the rep,then we can start weeding out the rotten apples out of both parties.the 1st thing,LET’S STOP OBAMA!

          • DaveH

            The thing is, wayne, that right now the people are awakening to the concept of Freedom and the content of the Constitution. We may have no better chance than the present to weed out Liberal Republicans. Yet the people are squandering the moment. A good example is the RINO John McCain who keeps on being re-elected by Arizona Republicans. This Big Government cancer is never going to be stopped if we can’t even put RINOs like McCain out to pasture.
            Give up on the Republican Party. They are part of the problem, not the solution. Vote Libertarian.
            http://libertarianparty.org/platform

    • David

      Claire I don’t know which Tea Parties you are going to. I see none of the things that you describe, in fact most speakers BLAST the Republican party and stand against their “anointed” Candidates. Perhaps you can give some examples of your accusations? Since you fail to do that, you sound very much like a Liberal plant.

      • royallyangry

        Nor do I. On the two tea parties I attended, I saw people from all walks of life (from disenchanted libs, disgruntled democrats, republican gays …etc…….)

        • Norm

          royallyangry
          You must have a lot of free time with nothing worth doing. May I suggest helping people.

          • will

            there are some people I’d really like to help……..Right out od Wa. DC and into prisns for unamerican activities and treason and trying to make a communist country and at my age I don’t care how it’s done.

            obama and his thugs are my enemy and I’ll fight ’til the death if need be and there are plenty more of us that feel the same way. Some who have their own plan (liberal) style to warrant the thugs to make a visit to Vince Foster.

            Me at my age have nothing to lose in a full scale revolution. Some of you wont like me because I say what you’re even afraid to think tho you’d like too. If and when I get kicked off here,by my foes, you remember these words.

          • DaveH

            If you and your Liberal cohorts would practice what you preach, Norm, you wouldn’t need to take money from others to satisfy your goals.
            Donating your own time and money is charitable, Norm. Donating other peoples’ time and money is slavery and theft.

          • Norm

            DaveH
            How much time and/or money do you donate to help others?
            My guess is zip.

          • DaveH

            You can guess all you want, ignorant Liberal. My observations of Liberals during my life is that they are real good at giving lip service, but not very good at actually doing anything. That’s why they must spend other peoples’ money.

          • Norm

            Daveh
            I repeat:
            How much time and/or money do you donate to help others?
            You great at avoiding answers.
            I think you are greedy, nasty, and probably a loser.

      • Claire

        David—I went to two parties here in my hometown. The first was neutral in their stance, and I thought that was great. Then the next one I went to, the platform of the Republican party was discussed–and I got the distinct impression it was all about the Republican party and the candidates that were running here in Illinois. Now they are supporting Republican (RINOS) candidates and to me, these candidates are no better than the Democrats. Kirk, for example, lied about his military service and a Navy award he “received.” The next thing I knew he was caught in these lies. It was in the news on TV and in the newspaper. Kirk announced that he misspoke. Barf and gag. How can anyone lie about their military record??? The way I look at it, if politicians will lie about things like this, they sure as hell will lie about anything. I will make up my own mind about the issues at hand, I will not let any so-called tea party make my decisions for me. A lot of people I know are falling off the tea party bandwagon. If the tea party had kept their neutral ideas, etc. they would have been better off. A lot of people I know are thinking third party. Independents, Libertarians—not such a bad idea anymore. A TRUE Conservative would be nice, but there again, they stem from the Republican party, and some people are fed up with the Republicans as well as the Democrats. I know I am.

        • Claire

          David–Liberal plant? You can go straight to hell. How dare you accuse me of this? Who do you think you are? I will tell you what you are–a fool.

          • DaveH

            Get him, Claire.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Claire,
            Looks like those two dogs aren’t the only “watchdogs” around your house!!! Go get im lady!!!

          • rwnut

            Claire…HOORAH FELLOW PATRIOT!

        • wayne a

          CLAIRE,do you realize there is also a lot of democrats in the tea party?

          • Claire

            wayne a–I know this, and that is good. I just think tea parties should remain totally unbiased, but even the RINOs are encroaching upon the parties like it was all their “idea.” This I don’t care for. I do not like the hateful signs. This is where I draw the line. I voted for Bush, and was aggravated with him, but I will not call him a foul name. Same with Obama. I do not approve of them but I will not call any president a foul name. And I certainly will not go to any more tea parties here in my hometown. Full of Republicans RINOs and political wannabes. Here in Illinois, I was so disappointed in Kirk. Another liar. When he was caught in his lies, that was the straw that broke the camel’s back for me. The Republicans here lie just as much as the Democrats. I will not be voting this November for any of them, I guess I will have to write in a candidate.

          • Bruce

            Sir Wayne, Thats true as I am both. I strongly feel that Mr. Grams statments are ment to try and break the Tea Party sprit.
            I can say for one thats not going to happen. The Tea Party may never become a standard political party such as the Dems or Reps, but they will be around and put the politicians feet to the fire when need be.

            Afterall thats what they were set up to be a Watchdog group, and they are doing a very good job of that. As I said Mr Gram nor Barry nor the NAACP the Black Panthers etc, would be attacking them if they were not in fear of them expsoing their evil deeds and thats as obvious as a cold slap in the face.

          • DaveH

            The Tea Partiers are a diverse group of people that are united in the common cause to stop the Federal Government from trampling the Constitution. Unfortunately, many of them want their own freedom but do not respect the freedom of others. Hopefully the current angst about the Leviathan Federal Government will spur the people to investigate freedom more thoroughly and resolve that contradiction.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Claire,
            How do you expect them to be unbiased with what is in office now??? They are looking at the destruction of this country! They should be very biased against the status quo, especially the dems right now!!!

      • libertytrain

        David – Claire is not in any way, shape or form a liberal plant. If you have been here a year or so, your would know that. Where she lives, she experienced these things. The USA is a very large piece of ground to cover – I am doubtful that you can be sure that your knowledge encompasses it all – and that you know all about all Tea Party events everywhere.

        • Claire

          libertytrain–Thank you for the vote of support. As always, It is good to hear from you.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Claire,
            I know you are not a liberal plant as I’ve been posting to you for quite some time now. I think, though, that you will agree with what I just posted.

    • The-Idiot

      The Republican party earned our distain when they were the majority and Bush was president. And I’m not willing to bet the farm that they learned their lesson and would be better stewards if given another chance. However, the damage being done by Obama and the Progressives is a very serious matter and I’m not sure we can wait to develop the Tea Party into a major political party that can compete directly with Dem’s and Rep’s. In the short term you kill the Republicans and the Dem’s kill the country. There is an old saying for that, cut of your nose to spite your face.

      For me its about electing the most conservative candidate and if he is not as conservative as I’d like well I’ll just have to hold my nose and pull the lever. Then I’ll try to hold his/her feet to the fire and get a better candidate to challenge him/her in the next cycle. There is no reason the Tea Party can’t take over the Rep party. After all there are some fine conservative Republicans mixed in with the likes of Graham, Snowe, Collins and Brown.

      • Bob

        Republicans. Democrats. They are all controlled by the banks, corporations and Pharmaceuticals. Wake up.

        • David

          And that’s why they all must go! Term limits must be imposed at the federal level. The revolving door between the Federal Government and Companies of all types must be closed.

          • Hugh Jordin

            True. The real people who pull the strings hide quietly “behind the curtain” and we only see their puppets. We need to press for term limits to keep congress people from overstaying their welcomes and evolving into little Napoleons.

          • Claire

            Hugh Jordin–The first thing we have to do is get them all out of office ASAP. Then we can think about term limits. Maybe?!

          • Bob Wire

            Term limits? Fine ! but you are just making politicians cheaper and easier to buy ~ while achieving very little in addressing the issue of special interest influence.

            Why not discuss that Mr. and Ms. Tea Party Crowd?

            Not in weeks have I heard a single word!!!!!! and until you do ~

            You are fanning the air and making a great show much to little avail.

          • Mike In MI

            David -
            If you do that the government unions and the bureaucracy will control everything. It takes people a long time to learn who runs what. At this time the bureaucracy holds more power than our representatives. They’ve completely abdicated the exercise of power to the Executive Branch and the unions representing the gov’t workers.

          • Mike In MI

            You have no power to vote the bureaucrats out.

          • Bruce

            Sir Bob Wire,
            Your post is lacking any coherent substance, can you repost what it is your trying to say in a mannor that express’s logic and or common sense. Thank you.

          • Bob Wire

            Sure Bruce, ~ I’ll be happy too! ~ sometimes context is lost and things do get confusing ~ especially if your commentary won’t stand alone.

            I was offering concerns I have with “Term Limits” while I think I understand the reason for such a proposal, that being the power of the ballot box to remove any politician found in low regard, easier and sooner then later.

            What concerns me is this does little to cub the influence of special interest ~ and in fact could make influence peddling a must more lucrative and a wider spread problem then what it already is.

            I have read many threads and many post over the last few months and I find it discerning that there are few references to influence peddling, lobbyist and special interest.

            There is no talk on these forum that address the issues of special interest and how they affect candidates and politics.

            Is there something I am not aware of, for I sense this issue is ground zero and where the main battle front is. For if the people is to take back control of their government, this is a battle that must be waged.

    • http://none whooray81

      CLAIRE: I’m here in the very lefty part of sCalif that is still somewhat conservative. last yr after the libertarian group of Ron Paul scheduled a teaparty rally at the POST OFFICE our state senator scheduled his own “teaparty”; matter of fact he sched two more and did they let “the people” speak…???? hell no? so this yr someone much more organized than me (but as passionate cc our country’s “borders, language, culture”,) stepped up and we are now in charge of our own destiny; we’re having rallies every other week and occasionally,meetings. it’s slow but can work! many communities are hooking up in a HUGE NETWORK using ” teaparty patriots”.

      • Claire

        This is exactly what went on in this last campaign. Huckabee got a little bit more attention, but certainly not as much as the “chosen ones.”

    • Smilee

      I see a lot of hate coming from the tea baggers too, They will in the not to distant future be known as losers and Gramham see it too!!

      • Bruce

        Sir Smilee, Yet one more of your post that is lacking any coherent substance value. Are you very young as in a teenager? As all your post lack any viable substance, that is when you are not in full blown plagiarism mode, or completely off balance.
        Todate all your post lack any fact, nor value other than what would clearly seen to be an issue you may need to see a Doctor about.
        I strongly feel that your unblanced. Again this is just an observation but your post clearly display a true borderline personality imblance. The good news is if your still in your teens this can be addressed by way of meds and then you can lead a normal life.
        Please seek help for your own good.

        • Smilee

          ASSUME ASS/U/ME!! You silly boy you, I am 70 years old, hopefully if you live than long you will attain the wisdom to see the stupidity and folly in your childess post!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Smelly,
            Why? You didn’t!!!!

  • Bruce

    Mr. Gram is a progressive marxist no matter what party he is from, so he has not done anything that can be construed as differant than any act he as done before.
    Keep in mind that its the progressive marxist that are dismantling the country from within, so his statment only goes to solidify that political agenda that both he and Barry are working so hard for the NWO. So the question to all of you is, will you fall prey to it if the candy coating looks differant?

    • Donald

      What in the world is a “progressive Marxist”?

      • slickporsche

        An idiot, someone we reject for what ever reason.

      • Smilee

        I Have noticed his confusions to, he never makes any sense, hopefully he will be OK when he grows up and hopefully becomes mature then.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Smelly,
          Gee in all your 70 years of learning, you didn’t learn the difference between to, too and two???

          • Smilee

            Joey

            you made the same mistake I did. it should have been to or too. Rofl

          • http://?? Joe H.

            smelly,
            Poor boy I didn’t make ANY mistake other than you being able to understand that I listed the three forms of the wordas they teach it in school. Perhaps though, you didn’t finish grade school and therefore, you didn’t have the ability to do so!!!

    • eddie47d

      Republican extremism is dismantling their party!

      • Bruce

        Sir Eddie46d,
        I am confused by your post clearly your amoung a number of people who post here who have issues that need to be addressed by a Doctor.
        Your post are lacking any form of contiguous logic, Its almost as if your on the wrong meds. Sir I strongly feel you should contact a Doctor very soon as I noted with a few here if you are still in your teens these issues can be addressed and you can lead a normal life.
        Good luck.

        • Smilee

          Your feeble attemps at trying to some intelligent ARE NOT WORKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • DaveH

            Your best bet at that, Sleepee, is to quit typing.

          • Smilee

            You in a pizzy mood again today eh!!!!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            smelly,
            Read your own post a little closer and you will prove yourself wrong!!!

          • Smilee

            Joey I see you still cannot make an intelligent statement, lack of knowledge I suspect also

          • Norm

            Smilee
            Daveh is a disgruntled loser. You have to cut him a little slack, or he’ll cry and call you names.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Smelly,
            Gee, Smelly, I think you were trying to say ‘your feeble attempts to SHOW some intelligen(CE) are not working!!!!!

          • Smilee

            Joe H. says:
            July 20, 2010 at 11:39 pm

            Congratulations, Joey you got my message, I’m impressed with you!!

      • DaveH

        Hardly, Eddie. What has ruined the Republican Party is that they have diluted their core beliefs in an attempt to gain more votes. In so doing, they are presenting less and less of an alternative to the Democrats. That is a problem for them, because the Big Carrot that Democrats dangle (free money for non-workers from workers) can only be defeated with the solid principles of free markets and strict property rights.
        Since Republicans have backed away from their small-government free-market principles, all they can offer is war-mongering and a police state for those who think all problems can be solved by force.
        There is only one Political Party that understands Freedom. Need I say their name?

        • Norm

          DaveH
          Anarchists?
          The reason libertarians will never win an election is that they represent the lunatic fringe as in DaveH.

          • DaveH

            Oh, poor Norm, he’s getting desperate. Say something mature and intelligent, Norm, so I can stroke you and raise your self-esteem.
            If you try real hard, you can do it, Norm.

          • Norm

            Daveh
            You are the desperate one my loser friend.
            Now are you going to call a liar or just babble as usual?

  • Donna Hansen

    Wwwho can we believe anymore…not Democrats, not republicans…maybe we should
    vote for independents? The liberals are lying and running on any ticket just to get in office…and it works..
    We need people who can stand on their values and their record and their life
    accomplishments…

    • Maryanne

      Donna Hansen, Reply
      I agree. Do we have any of them like that other then Sarah Palin, I can’t think of anyone else. All the others are too tightly tied up in the Washington circle and their fun parties and perks..

      • Elaine

        What about Ron Paul, one of the most honest politicians out there. Did you know he returns to the Treasury anything in his budget that he does not use for that year. He seems to have a real knowledge of the money situation and is responsible for making more people aware that the Federal Reserve is not a govt. organization but privately owned. He is a strict constitutionalist. I would look seriously at anyone he endorses.

        • Claire

          Ron Paul is a good person. During the campaign the news media hardly gave him any attention at all. It was disgusting. The news media gave all the attention to the so-called “popular” candidates. What a farce.

          • Smilee

            Claire

            He was not newsworthy!!

          • Claire

            Smilee– No, I guess he wasn’t. And why? Fox, MSNBC, ABC, CNN, none of them gave him any consideration. Sometimes the “quiet” one is more of a man and has more merit. Newsworthy? Sometimes I call it gossip.

          • DaveH

            Claire,
            I can’t believe how you give people like Smilee respectful answers when they do nothing but disrespect others.
            We need more like you.

          • DaveH

            Major News Corporations thrive on Big Government. The Media Moguls don’t want the competition of Free Markets anymore than other Corporate leaders do. So, their natural inclination is to shun people like Ron Paul and embrace those politicians who will keep them safe from competition.
            I must say, though, that FOX is breaking that mold. I have never in my lifetime seen news programs that give a chance for freedom lovers to air their ideas like those on FOX do. Go FOX!
            Also, I want to thank Bob Livingston for providing us with this wonderful forum in which we can discuss the concepts of freedom with a diverse group of people. Go Personal Liberty!

          • Smilee

            daveh

            Coming from the master of disrespect I will take that in yours eyes you meant it to be a compliament

          • DaveH

            Put down that joint, Smilee, before you hurt someone.

          • Smilee

            Running out of words are you davie as you are now saying stupid things again

          • Norm

            Smilee
            Davie is incapable of saying anything but stupid nonsense. It’s his libertarian/anarchist nature. He is paranoid and trusts no one. He thinks everyone is like him.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            This from the two MASTERS of saying stupid things, smelly and Abnorm!!!

      • marvin

        Maryanne THE ANSURE TO THAT IS WATCH CSPAN GET ON THE ENTERNET PULL UP YOUR REPS see how they vote ,call and email them tell them what you want don,t be shy they work for, there is alot of good enfo out there just look, i am a member of heritage foundation,numberusa,AND teaparty NOT TEABAGGERS and i do not allways agree with them but they get you to looking for good ansures

    • slickporsche

      There is only one practical way to get rid of the political pigs. A full all out revolution, and kill as many as possible. I know what that sounds like but, its true. November will not give us what we want. Just more of the same shit different day. We have all been brainwashed to believe we can still change things with our vote. This whole scenario reminds me of WWF Wrestling! What a joke!

      • eddie47d

        More Tea Party extremism ;sounds like the weather underground extremists in the 60′s. They lost and so will your kind of rancor.

        • marvin

          eddie47d NO WERE IN HIS POST,is the teaparty, his views are his not mine and 99% of teaparty member so do not paint your liberal views on all teaparty members

        • Ellen

          eddie = shill

          • eddie47d

            Ellen=Lemming with a broken leg,And a shill for ignorance.

        • DaveH

          Eddie,
          I have seen more thoughtful comments from 8th graders.
          You just can’t seem to stay away from the name-calling, ridicule, fabricated facts, and other manipulative tactics.
          Thank you for giving the readers a good example of Liberal mentality.

          • Norm

            DaveH
            You relate well to eighth graders, the slower ones that is.

          • DaveH

            Poor Norm. I would try to help you, but I think you are beyond that.

          • Norm

            DaveH
            You can’t even help yourself.

      • wayne a

        slick,you’re one sick bastard!

        • DaveH

          Wayne,
          I think he is wrong, not sick. It is common amongst people to think that all problems can be controlled by force. That is what allows Government to get so big.
          Violence rarely leads to good ends. Revolutions almost always replace one bad leader with another bad leader. It is the nature of the beast. After all, the mindset of the revolutionaries is to use force to solve their problems. Can we expect them to thereafter abandon that force and extend freedom to their citizens? George Washington was a rare exception. Augusto Pinochet was a rare exception. Usually revolutions end with dictators like Lenin or Mao.

          • eddie47d

            Low blow Dave H. Why do many on this site advocate revolution and are willing to use violence to do it. Will that solve their problem? Do you get on their case for wanting to kill liberals,immigrants.politicians and others. Your words were right but they ring alittle shallow. Also Pinochet was a dangerous military dictator who sabotaged a free election. I certainly hope you weren’t comparing him with George Washington. Naw, You wouldn’t stoop that low.

          • DaveH

            Pinochet voluntarily stepped down to give the power to a democratically elected president. How many dictators do you know that would do that?

            http://blog.mises.org/6032/general-augusto-pinochet-is-dead/

            Did I compare him to George Washington? I missed that part.

          • DaveH

            You work awful hard to dis me don’t you Eddie? I guess you’re going to have to work harder. Lowlife Liberal.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            DaveH,
            You know how it is, jealousy makes a libbie progressive go a llloooonnngg way!!!LOL!!!

    • http://Comcast.net John D

      Independants are a wishy washy bunch and are really no different the dems or repubs. This country just needs fresh blood in DC. We have to remind them who they work for.

    • wayne a

      DONNA,that’s a fantasy.if we voted for a independent then basically our votes would be wasted.lets vote to put up a brick wall to obama’s agenda then later maybe…….an independent.

      • DaveH

        Wayne,
        I’ve been hearing that tired mantra since Jimmy Carter and the Liberal Democrats brought our country to the brink of destruction. With the exceptions of Reagan and Ron Paul, there have been few Republicans who haven’t worshiped at the altar of Big Government.
        Votes on the best candidate are not wasted votes. The wasted votes are those spent on the ‘least evil’ candidates who are still just evil.
        I will always vote for the most freedom-loving candidate. If too many people are ignorant and he/she doesn’t get elected at least I didn’t waste my vote on somebody who wouldn’t take this country in the right direction.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          DaveH,
          sorry, but I gotta call you on that again. what if just enough people follow your lead and Obummer gets back in or even somebody worse??? I won’t risk that being done to my country. your vote might not have been wasted, but it would be worse than wasted!

          • DaveH

            Actually, Joe, not all Democrats want to share the money of others. A lot just don’t like the warmongering ways of the Republicans and don’t like the Republicans telling them what they can do with their own bodies and property.
            The Libertarians offer the only Principled approach to Freedom. They leave people alone who only harm themselves, and they don’t let people ride on the unwilling shoulders of others.
            Both major parties are flawed. The Democrats think it’s okay to steal the money of others if the hide behind the coattails of the Government, and the Republicans think it’s okay to kill people under the thin disguise of national security. Try telling that to the judge next time you murder somebody. “But your honor, if I didn’t kill him first, he might kill me later”.
            If you like being a subject, Joe, just keep voting for the lesser of two evils.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            DaveH,
            And if we send a message that we support the policies of Nobama by letting him in for another term the dems may ALL support him!!

  • Paul T Caple

    Mr Graham, has been in Washington to long, It’s time
    he left, Please go to South Carolina

    • Carolina Mom

      Yeah, but Paul… I think we’d rather he just stayed in DC… albeit NOT as our Senator! LOL:)

  • RHSchumann

    Senator Graham is absolutely correct. Until recently I voted consistently Republican. But my GOP was the party of Lincoln, Eisenhower, and Rockefeller. There are very few Republicans left in both houses of Congress with whom I can identify. Graham and the two senators from Maine are among the exception. Yes, the GOP has been taken over by religious extremists and demagogues who cater to the most primitive segments of American society. As long as people like Beck, Limbaugh and Palin represent the GOP, moderate and thinking Americans cannot vote for the party.

    • Doug Reiber

      I am a “thinking American” and you could not be more incorrect if you tried. You can color liberalism with intellect all you want too but a skunk is still a skunk no matter how you dress him. What you describe is nothing more than miss guided opinion, and explains even more clearly why America has the problems it has. You need to get a clue.

      • slickporsche

        Good reply Doug. LMAO

      • eddie47d

        R.Schumann is way ahead of you in how the Republican Party has changed.

        • marvin

          eddie47d,here in my state the state dembocrats set up a pac spent 10 to 20 million on it called it a conseritive republican not rino,all bought and paided for by dembocrats, well the republican may have changed but the dembocrats are still the same old liberal crooked back stabers

          • RHSchumann

            Why don’t you learn to spell proper English?!

          • DaveH

            You write proper english or you speak proper english. But spelling alone does not define proper english.

        • http://INTERNETEXPLORER GUNDOCTOR

          eddie47d and schumann…..ME THINKS YOU ARE BOTH LIBERAL DEMOCRAPS IN DISGUISE WHO, TYPICALLY, DON’T HAVE A CLUE. GO BACK TO YOUR SANDBOX!!

          • eddie47d

            Can’t my grandson won’t give me any time in his sandbox.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            edduh,
            the cat left you in the sand box, why would we remove you???

          • Smilee

            How low does your thought processes go, what a idioitic statement!!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            no Smelly, just an accurate statement!!!

    • Jim M.

      Primitive???? You are obviously a plant from the democratic progressive side. Beck, Limbaugh, and Palin are all conservatives where Graham and the others you mention are not.It sounds as though you are the one with your head in the sand.Don’t you listen to what has been going on in our country? Our government,led by progressives in power, is heading us over the cliff, and will not listen to anyone.Common sense is no longer common, and we are being sold down the river by people who have lost their way, and seem to be out to completely destroy America.None of the bills that have been passed in the last year and a half have done any good, quite the contrary, they have done a great deal of harm.It’s time to get out the pitchforks and torches folks and have a real revolt to take back our government!!

      • RHSchumann

        So you are preaching revolution. The Russians did that in 1917 and see what it got them.
        I thought this was a discussion forum, not a tea party where everybody is preaching to the choir. Can’t you tolerate a difference of opinion? That is a characteristic of a dictatorship!

        • Doug Reiber

          Actually it is characteristic of how a free Republic is and has been born. That is what it took to rid America of miss guided people like you seem to idolize in the very beginning and may be what it takes again. If so so be it.

          • RHSchumann

            When any other people do this we call them terrorusts and declare a war on them.

          • DaveH

            “terrorusts”, Schumann? And you attacked Marvin for his spelling? Typical.

        • http://INTERNETEXPLORER GUNDOCTOR

          (words removed for offensive content) …….FOLLOWER WHO SAYS LET’S GO..AS LONG AS I WON’T GET HURT!

          • eddie47d

            Takes one to know one!Have some balls youself and steere the Republicans back to it’s conservative roots. Stop following the ignorance that gets sprewed on this site and be your own man.

          • RHSchumann

            Guidelines are: Comment Policy: We encourage an open discussion with a wide range of viewpoints, even extreme ones, but we will not tolerate —- slanderous comments toward the author(s) or comment participants. Make your case passionately, but civilly. Please don’t stoop to name calling.
            Did you read the guidelines?

        • marvin

          RHSchumann unlike obama [i won so set down and shut up]or you dissagree with us and we well get in your face or i will put my foot on your neck and kick your ass,or help pass amnesty and i will close the border,or go tell other countrys how sorry we are;or stand and clap for calderon in the peoples house bad mouthing one of are states,you say we the american people are looking for a fight hell no but will we you bet,if you tell me to set down and shut up or you will get in my face,you best be ready to bring it on

        • Ellen

          RHSchumann = NWO shill, provocateur

        • http://Comcast.net John D

          Difference in opions and the DESTRUCTION OF A NATION are two different things. And this is not Russia. The progressives have already declared war on us. Why do you think they are constantly trying to take our guns. Open your mind and you will see they are trying to turn us into a nation of mindless slaves.

          • eddie47d

            The Corporations already did that and I bet you followed like lemmings.

          • DaveH

            And how did the Corporations do that, Eddie?
            So far the only products I have ever been forced to buy are those offered or backed by Big Government. And (correct me if I’m wrong) you support Big Government.

          • eddie47d

            Dave H.; We’re all “forced” to buy from corporations or do without.Look at drug companies who jack up prices 2,000% over cost.Many people can’t afford it and end up dying. Is that a proper choice? If you need a loan to survive or go on govt. welfare and the loan company charges 300%; and you have no where else to go your kind of boxed in by thesr loan sharks. There are many examples and just because big govt. is bad doesn’t mean a persons survival should depend on corrupt business practices. I support good govt. and less debt. I also support better business practices. I guess we can all dream.

          • DaveH

            That’s the best you can do, Eddie? “We’re all “forced” to buy from corporations or do without”? Unbelievably weak logic.
            A large portion of the drug companies high prices is due to the ridiculous amount of testing they must do to bring their products to market. That is caused by Big Government.
            http://reason.org/blog/show/a-thought-on-greed-and-the-hea

            Start your own company, Eddie, instead of whining about their high prices. That should be no problem for you superiorly intelligent Liberals. You can give away your product all you want.

            Dave H.; We’re all “forced” to buy from corporations or do without.Look at drug companies who jack up prices 2,000% over cost.Many people can’t afford it and end up dying. Is that a proper choice? If you need a loan to survive or go on govt. welfare and the loan company charges 300%; and you have no where else to go your kind of boxed in by thesr loan sharks. There are many examples and just because big govt. is bad doesn’t mean a persons survival should depend on corrupt business practices. I support good govt. and less debt. I also support better business practices. I guess we can all dream.

      • slickporsche

        There ya go! When you wanna start?

        • eddie47d

          Maybe you and Doug are the misguided ones!

          • marvin

            eddie47d you forgot me i must be missguided along with 99% of the people here

    • http://Graham Katherine

      Schuman – I think you hit a home run on that post. I too was
      a registered Republican and voted that way until Bush II came
      along…He was every bit as bad as i thought he would be and
      actually worse. The republican party I was a part of is now
      gone and I will not support a party, I will support the man.
      I do think we should absolutely have term limits in Congress.

      I think the climate of hate out there is keeping us from accomplishing
      anything. I know times are hard and it is for me as well, but not
      working together and remaining divided is just small minded and hateful. Give the president a chance, he took over the worst situation in American history, almost depression, banks & large companies failing, (2) wars and that horrible expense of lives and money. It has only accomplished american deaths, money down the drain and made the people of the Muslim world and middle east hate us even more. We are in a world of hurt and I don’t even begin to know
      how any man can have a quick fix for this situation we find our AMERICA. It can get better by pulling together or worse by hate and division.

      • s c

        K, what is with people like you? Your low opinion of GB was the only thing you got right. You sound like a professional apologist for any socialist, communist or progressive who needs votes. I suppose in a pinch, you could also pass for a RINO or a McCain-like parrot.
        So tell me, K. Does your ‘god’ have any plans for getting our military out of a war zone that he SUPPOSEDLY ‘opposed’ when he was in the Senate? Does this god have any plans for acting like a PRESIDENT, instead of the incompetent, dancing puppet that he truly is?
        Get your water checked. It’s affecting your mind, K. Either you’re a wannabe czar, or you’re a progressive plant looking for another easy paycheck. Scat!

        • Ellen

          s c: well said!!

      • slickporsche

        I and a lot of other people hate you. Now what?

      • eddie47d

        Dear Katherine, s.c. never wants the truth to be told. She loves division and turmoil and is the kind of person that has made the Republican what it is today.

      • RHSchumann

        It is people like you that give me hope. Yes, Obama has not been as effective as we had hoped but look what tasks were heaped on him. And Congress has not always been helpful. Too bad that good politicians are running scared because rabble rousers and swift boaters will stoop as low as they can to demolish Obama. Pay not attention to the hate answers you get and consider the source.

        • WarriorH

          RH, it is really a rather simple issue for the majority on this site. If your goal in life is to be controlled than obviously your goal has been attained.

          The majority of us do not want to be controlled. You may as well go look for another site.

          • eddie47d

            You allowed Wall Street and several corporations to control you. They committed several crimes and robbed America. You’re not children so why should Obama have to clean up your messes? Which he certainly is trying to do. I can’t believe you had a miraculous awakening because a Democrat got elected when you ignored Republicans past sins.

          • DaveH

            Eddie,
            Big Government has caused most of our economic calamities. Read works by Milton Freidman or Thomas Sowell or Mises Von Ludwig. Read the many articles on websites like Reason.org or Cato.org or Mises.org to get a clue on the reality of Big Government.
            There is a wealth of information out there to explain how the Federal Reserve and Government got us into the current mess.
            There are many articles and books that explain why Free Markets work and others don’t. Here is just one:
            http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=46

          • eddie47d

            Dave H.; Thomas Sewell, I gave up on him years ago. Free markets can work but our capitalist system allows a few to ruin it for everyone. Govt. would stay out of their business if they would “police” themselves. (honest business practices,pollution,tax loopholes) The madness keeps going around and around.

          • DaveH

            “Thomas Sewell”?
            Dang, Eddie, I just gave you the correct spelling and you still can’t get it right. Somehow that makes me skeptical that you have read Thomas Sowell’s articles or books.
            Big Government goes hand in hand with the very kind of Cronyism that I suspect gives you the bad impression of Big Corporations. Without the aide of government they would have to compete fairly which would result in more products and lesser prices. The consumer would be king, instead of the politicians and regulators.

      • http://INTERNETEXPLORER GUNDOCTOR

        katherine, eddie47d, and schumann….YOU ARE SUCH IDIOTS!! YOU VOTED FOR THAT (word removed) AND NOW YOU ARE CRYING AND TRYING TO HIDE WHILE YOU STILL KISS HIS IGNORANT COMMUNIST AGENDA SEEKING (word removed)!!!!

        • http://INTERNETEXPLORER GUNDOCTOR

          OK..YOU ARE A BUNCH OF CRY BABIES WITH REGRETS FOR YOUR PAST TRANSGRESSIONS, BUT YOU CAN’T LET GO OF YOUR POORLY DEVELOPED MINDSETS. IS THAT BETTER??

          • Smilee

            NO!!! its just as stupid!!!!

          • DaveH

            Smilee is well acquainted with stupidity. He looks at it every morning in the mirror.

          • eddie47d

            Dave H. And you think gundoctors comments were appropriate?

          • DaveH

            Did I say I did, Eddie?
            Quit trying the Liberal tactic of putting words in my mouth.

          • Smilee

            Well davie someone needs to put words in your mouth otherwise all that comes out is garbage!!

          • DaveH

            Sleepee,
            You’re hitting new lows. How low can you go?

        • Smilee

          Daveh

          Ome has to hit this low to reach you

      • Ms. Jones

        Obama took a bad situation, and made it much, much worse. Stop blaming or defending Bush–he hasn’t been in office for more than 18 months. Obama has a fawning Democratic Congress which rubber stamps his agenda, with disasterous results!

      • http://Comcast.net John D

        Pleeeeeeeeease quit drinking the koolaid!

      • wayne a

        KATHERINE,you just don’t get it.instead of trying to solve our problems,obama is making them worse.and i’m not so sure it’s not intentional.quit making excuses for obama,the unemployment rate was 6.4% when obama took office,it’s now over 10%.since obama took office we now have the largest deficit in history,largest number of people unemployed in history,largest no. of home foreclosers in history,largest no. of business failures in our history,largest no. of illegals in history,largest environmental disaster in our history…..stop making excuses for obama!

    • CJ

      Better check your history. For example, the Lincoln Republicans were the LIBERALS! Sure you want to go there? Example, Lincoln mandated signing an oath of allegiance before people in the southern states could vote for state officials. ARE YOU SURE?

      • slickporsche

        Very believable.We would have been much better off to send the (offensive word removed) back to Africa. Still would. Lincoln was a fool.

        • RHSchumann

          Isn’t that just a bit racist?

      • slickporsche

        But then, so are you CJ

    • Priscilla Perez

      I looks like you are really a Democrat.

    • s c

      You sound like a limp-wristed parrot that dotes on the ‘rare’ qualities of Quisling or Chamberlain.
      Do you ever listen to the crap that comes out of your mouth? Your diatribe is taken directly from the progressive playbook. It shows all the originality and knowledge of an Al Franken or a sleazy Schumer or a clownish Reid.
      Get a life. Stop the half-assed mantra. Think at least once a week. Go on a 10 mile uphill hike. Smoke some hemp and wait for a rush that will never come. Read some books written by REAL historians. Go back to your home planet, and leave Earth alone.

      • Ellen

        s c: again, very well said!!!

        • eddie47d

          Ellen= Polly want a cracker!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            The liberal parrott calling someone polly, imagine that!!!!

    • MOMSRIGHT

      Dearest RH, I take exception to your comment “Yes, the GOP has been taken over by religious extremists and demagogues who cater to the most primitive segments of American society.”

      You seem to imply to be religious or to have a relationship with God makes one primitive! If you read your history, the real history of our country and not the liberal doctored version of history, you will find some of the most intelligent and exceptional ideas ever recorded in the history of the world by thoroughly religious people! In fact it was those very Ideas that formed the basis for our country and has been the reason we have had relative freedom, peace and prosperity over the last two hundred plus years! You might remember this little phrase? “We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator, {GOD} with certain unalienable rights, that among them are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness!” The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom! You see Wisdom and intelligence are alive and well in religious circles! The reason people like you despise religious people is because you are afraid! There is power in the truth and that is exactly what you fear! As it says in that primitive book called the Bible, “Then you shall know the truth and the truth will set you free!”

      • Smilee

        MOMSRIGHT says: July 16, 2010 at 2:26 pm

        YOU WROTE

        “We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator, {GOD} with certain unalienable rights, that among them are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness!”

        MY RESPONSE:

        Mom’s wrong you inserted GOD so I assume it is whom you see as God but the creator could be something else to others and is not necessarily a relgious term. If Thomas Jefferson had mean to say GOD he would of said GOD and he did not he said creator. He goes on to say “That to secure these rights, Government are instituted among men, derving their just powers from the consent of the governed,…” This power comes not from either God or the creater but from among men with their consent. Jefferson never said this power came from either GOD or a creater as you have written into it not based on what is actually says but rather what you want it to be. This act is today is called spin and you are the spinner. RH is right, you MOM are the one who is wrong!!

      • RHSchumann

        Nothing against religion but everything against religious extremists. That’s what the Muslim bombers are and they are giving Islam a bad name. Christian extremists are almost as bad. So are extremists of any religion.

  • Harvey Goldsmith

    This goes to confirm my thougth that the party names should be hypnonated: DEMOC-RATS & [Lindsey Graham rinos] REPUBLIC-RATS

  • Harvey Goldsmith

    Say goodbye Lindsey!!!!!!!

  • Harvey Goldsmith

    Please excuse the spelling errors of “thought & hyphonated” When I get upset I sometimes forget to proof read

    • slickporsche

      Are you angry enough to lock and load?

      • Momo

        YES!!!!!!

        • Bob Wire

          don’t pull anything you can’t chew and swallow.

          • DaveH

            Be careful what you wish for, Bob, it might come true.

      • wayne a

        hey,SLICK,seen a shrink lately?

  • Sylvia Keppy-Dow

    Lindsey Graham needs to be sent home too when he comes up for re-election. He is a RINO, not a true Republican. That goes for John McCain as well… As an Arizonian I am sick and tired of McCain and his liberal buddies Graham and Lieberman. Unfortunately McCain will probably get sent back to the Senate, as he has spent $$$Millions in his re-election campaign and the Tea Party people of Arizona want him gone too.. We need steady conservative voices in D.C., to help bring back some stability and common sense to our country, as it surely is missing under the Obama and Democratic rule during the past year.

    • Donald

      With allh alll the problerms with Obama, we would probably be worse off had McCain been elected. Here was a guy who wanted to halt his campaign when the ecconomy went into the ditch and so he went to Washington and sat there like bump on a log. Of course, as he later said:”I don’t know much about economics”.

      • http://google joel

        well at least John wasn’t a progressive. I agree he was too soft for the job but he wouldn’t have tried to destroy the Constitution and the country. Obama is outwardly destroying this country. Your unborn grandkids will owe over 100K that’s if the dollar even exist!

      • wayne a

        DONALD,i agree McCain wouldn’t have been very good either but how in the hell could he have been worse than obuma? in fact, is there anybody that could have been worse than obuma?

        • Smilee

          OOPS!! The first paragraph above was in error, SORRY!

          Reagan was wore than Obama !! Presidential scholars think that, and they tell us why not just use off the cuff BS as you have!! Read it below:

          A new poll of leading presidential scholars ranks Barack Obama as the 15th best president of the United States, just below Bill Clinton but ahead of Ronald Reagan.
          The Siena College poll, which surveyed 238 presidential scholars at U.S. colleges and universities, asked scholars to rate the nation’s 43 chief executives on 20 attributes ranging from legislative accomplishments to integrity and imagination.
          In the overall ranking, Obama rated two places below Clinton, who was 13th best, and three better than Reagan, who is ranked as the 18th best.
          Franklin D. Roosevelt again earned the top spot, as he has every time since the poll was first conducted in 1982. He and the Mount Rushmore presidents — Teddy Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson — have consistently been the top five presidents in the poll’s findings.
          Obama’s 15th ranking is slightly higher than other presidents who have taken office since the poll started nearly 30 years ago. Most start out at about number 20, said Siena statistics professor and poll director Douglas Lonnstrom.
          “[Obama’s] doing a little better, but he’s generally in the same ballpark,” he said.
          While he ranked high on traits like imagination (6th), communication ability (7th) and intelligence (8th), Obama rated poorly ratings on background (32nd), which was composed of traits like family, education and experience.
          Lonnstrom said the main factor that gives a president a top-five or top-10 ranking is his accomplishments — and an all-around high ranking in most categories.
          FDR, for example, ranks in the top 10 for every category except integrity, he said.
          “The experts really are looking for consistency, a president who is looking good across most of these categories,” he said.
          Obama’s predecessor, George W. Bush, was ranked at number 23 in 2002 — the last time Siena’s presidential expert poll was conducted — but has since dropped to number 39, qualifying him as one of the five worst presidents. Bush came in at number 42 — second to last — on issues such as handling the U.S. economy, foreign policy accomplishments and intelligence. (Warren G. Harding was rated the least intelligent president).
          Bush joins Harding, Andrew Johnson, James Buchanan and Franklin Pierce, all of whom have consistently ranked as the worst presidents since the poll started, in the bottom five.
          Several other presidents also saw movement in their ratings this year. Bill Clinton moved up five places, from No. 18 in 2002 to No. 13 today; John F. Kennedy also moved up, from No. 14 to No. 11.
          Carter, Reagan and Nixon all dropped in the rankings this year — Carter dropped seven spots, from No. 25 in 2002 to No. 32 now; Reagan dropped two spots, from No. 16 to No. 18; and Nixon fell four spots, from No. 26 to No. 30.

          • http://1972lenny@live.com larry m.

            smilee, was that a nbc,cbs or abc poll!!! the real truth, obama is the “worst” president in history!!! thats before nixon!!

          • Smilee

            silly larry

            If you had read the post correctly you would have known it was not any of those and it was not an opinion poll, it was an in depth analysis of twenty differnt topices and the poll ressults was the their findings based on analysis of the known facts not opinions or feelings as you seem to be suggesting. Resd csrefullly in the future so you do not get your foot stuck in your mouth again.

          • chuck b

            smilee

            after reading the so called analysis you presented, this group sounds like a far out drug induced would be professors that don’t have a clue. anyone that can read can certainly see thru the fdr myth, that is if you find a history book that hasn’t been revised by the democratic machine. to even place fdr anywhere close to washington, jefferson, reagan is an insult to everyone’s ability to think. fdr was nothing more than a white barry soetoro. prove me wrong!!

          • eddie47d

            FDR did the best he could with what he had. He had good programs and programs that failed just like all Presidents.

          • Bob Wire

            These programs didn’t fail! ~ anymore the a good jack and spare tire might fail. ~ Government failed! when it fail to steer back to “right” after the crisis was over.

            After using a jack and spare, and your are back on you way again ~ There still work to do! ~ The failed tire needs to repaired and mounted. Jack and spare needs to be secured, stored away and ready for the next time.

            This is where government fails us ~ being too big, and too slow to respond to crisis and steering changes. Any steering that’s either all right steering or all left steering will not get us where we want to go.

            We can create better, more effective government but not in such a hostile partisan climate that exist today. It’s not impossible or unreasonable.

            But if it’s all about “your team”, all about “winning”, all about “blame”, while the “bag man” sneaks out the back door leaving a trail of dollar bills he’s dropping on his way out, we will never have good government.

          • http://PersonalLibertyAlerts Bob Waters

            I was reading the blogs and have to say something. I am an Ultra-Conservative, A Tea Partier, and a life long Voter. I was not around for FDR but I can tell you this. Any, and I mean ANY, Liberal College that ranks FDR as the best anything other than Czar, is whacked. Why do you think we have term limits for Presidents. And, once again, ANY Liberal College that would rank the over-sexed Clinton above Ronald Reagan, has to be sooooooo far left that they are too biased to report anything.

          • Smilee

            Bobby

            You unltra conservatiove are so biased that you are incapable of accepting any truth so you spin and spin and spin everthing so it fits into you pea sized brain. Don’t agree fine, but don’t define it with facts thst are totally fslse so you can accept them as truths when they are in fact fslse

          • Bob Wire

            So since you “wasn’t around” how did you develop your opinions regarding FDR?

          • Smilee

            I never offered any opinion on FDR, and I was around, young but have some memory of him

          • Smilee

            Sorry chuckie but you strike out again and your getting ruder with each post, your hate and lack of anything intelligent to say is becomeing more and more obvious, give up while you still have a shed of decency

        • Doug Reiber

          Its very interesting that the poll you quote does not state the political party or bent of the so called presidential scholars that are doing the rating. If they are the same scholars from Universities that gave us Barry O there opinion is pretty laughable. Liberal is usually their bent and liberal is what has ruined this fine Country over time. Therefore their opinion is only that an opinion that carries no more validity than yours or mine.

        • Smilee

          This was a nonparisan analasis of which the results are not to your liking so you throw in all your garbabe to spin it into something in reallity it is not. Scholors are called that bcause of their skills not because of what they believe and not partisan as you obviouly use for myour off the cuff response..

          • alpha-lemming

            Dear Smellee
            To have Washington and Jefferson in the same company as FDR as the “best” (?for the country or for ???) is to create a “range for governing” that is so polarized as to make all rankings worthless. Now… if the rating was for most influential??? I’d DEFINATELY rate FDR up there…. much in the same way as Hitler or UBL can be the “Times Man of the Year”.

          • Smilee

            SO you don’t agree, Just your opinion, that OK it doesn’t make you right. My opinion your confused.

          • Bob Wire

            Right! all things being “equal” Soupy Sales made quite an impression.

            But things are not equal and we attempt to compare apples with oranges.

            For one man’s decision, what compares with the gut wrenching, history altering decisions made by Truman, Lincoln or Franklin.

            These men worn some pretty big shoes.

            Greatness is not determined by being “liked” but the willingness to be hated.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Smelly,
            yes, and this was nothing more than these scholars(?) opinion!!!

          • Smilee

            Bob Wire says:
            July 19, 2010 at 9:10 am

            Greatness is not determined by being “liked” but the willingness to be hate

            _____________________________________________________________________

            Boy all this hatred we are seeing for Obama, (especially on this site)if what you say is true , WOW! How GREAT is HE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • DaveH

          John would have been worse. He would have continued the slow death of freedom by an ever-growing government.
          Obama, who got carried away with himself, has moved too fast and as a result has awakened freedom-lovers across the country. That is a good thing. Now, if we can just focus that energy on recognizing that Big Government has gotten us into this mess, we might actually get the people to learn about the concepts of freedom and turn back the tides of Socialism.

    • Donald

      With all the problerms with Obama, we would probably be worse off had McCain been elected. Here was a guy who wanted to halt his campaign when the ecconomy went into the ditch and so he went to Washington and sat there like bump on a log. Of course, as he later said:”I don’t know much about economics”.

    • slickporsche

      Lets hope McCain does not get sent back. He is a liar like the one in the white house and will sell out to the highest bidder.

  • Harvey Goldsmith

    AMEN!!!!!!

  • Wanda Fox

    When John McCain (moderate)became the Republican candidate for President, my heart sank. I knew we didn’t stand a chance. But hope revived when he selected Sarah Palin as his running mate – but it just was not enough. If the Republican Party picks another “moderate” candidate for the next presidential election, you can “hang it up.” If we are to pull out of this mess we are presently in, we MUST have a steel-spined conservative. It’s the only chance we have.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Wanda Fox….You are so right. We do not need another presidential candidate that is not a true, blue conservative. Hopefully by 2012, the GOP will be better united and we will have better choices.

    • http://Comcast.net John D

      Wanda, I felt the exact same feeling. It is time for the likes of Mccain, Reid, Graham and all that crowd to go. Their minds ar lost.

    • wayne a

      WANDA,i agree.i’m a rep but i knew McCain wouldn’t make a good president so i thought i was voting for the better of the 2 evils when i voted for obama.i’m still sitting here wondering how i could have been so stupid!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        waynea,
        thanks for at least having the intestinal fortitude to say it!! I respect you for THAT!!

    • DaveH

      The problem is, Wanda, that the Republicans are inherently anti-freedom. For sure, I would take what they offer over what the Democrats offer any day. But wouldn’t it be better if we had politicians who recognized peoples’ freedom to control their own bodies and property?
      Think of rebellious teenagers. Why are they that way? Because they are desperately seeking the freedom to make their own decisions. In the process, they make a lot of stupid decisions solely to spite their over-controlling parents. That is the kind of behavior the Republican controllers inspire.
      We just need to get the government out of the business of running our personal lives. They should exist solely to protect the citizens from the force of others. Instead they have gradually become the ‘forcers’.

  • http://jdlinton.blogspot.com/ JD Linton

    Why ask for an apology? Graham by his statements has obviously stated his consistent position of being liberal. This is why the Tea Party is important. If republicans expressed a vision of liberty under God, consistent with the vision of the founding fathers, there would be no need for a Tea Party. But they don’t. Better to define officials such as Graham as opposed to our Constitution and treat them that way.

    • Carolina Mom

      I agree… we don’t have to argue with him… that’s a waste of time. He’s made up his mind, and we should be thankful that he has been truthful enough to tell us where he stands, rather than lie to us about it. What we need to do is find another true conservative to defeat him and be done with it.

  • http://NA O.J. Boehler

    For the Tea Party movement to grow or maintain It self there must be a coherent goal which all the divergent groups within the movement can adhear to and publicize. If they cannot come up with an easily understood position the movement will “fizzle”.

    • TeaDrinker

      Apparently lots of you don’t know anything about the Tea Party. The prime platform of the Tea Party follows:
      Fiscal responsibility
      Limited government
      Constitutional principles

      • slickporsche

        That is a cop-out. It is another way to say you are pushing tolerance, and afraid of the real issues.

        • Ms. Jones

          And what do you suggest are the “real issues”? Fiscal responsibility and limited government solve the problem of excessive taxation and regulation, and saddling our children and grandchildren with excessive debt. Constitutional principles take care of just about everything else, like the immigration issue, a constitutional republic versus marxist state, etc. You ask for our platform, we give it, and you find fault. Make up your mind! What answers do you propose, or do you like so many others believe Obama is the messiah who will usher in a utopian age for all, if those pesky Tea Partiers will just get out of the way?

          • Ellen

            Ms. Jones: very well said. Those are exactly the principles that, if addressed, will bring back America. And, Barry Soetoro does not figure into that equation because he is not fit to govern, is anti-American, and has even less regard for the Constitution than those who preceded him.

            Thanks for putting it so succinctly.

          • http://Comcast.net John D

            Well said Ms Jones!

          • Doug Reiber

            Well said and so very true. If only the blind liberals could see that those very principles have made it possible for them to live and breathe in the greatest country on earth. So sad that they can not.

          • DaveH

            They can’t see the principles, Doug, because they have visions of sugar-plums dancing in their heads – other peoples’ sugar plums.

          • Norm

            Poor paranoid Davy. Everyone wants his money. Everyone lies. Government is evil.

          • libertytrain

            Norm – your purported high education isn’t showing -

        • Ellen

          slickporche: I think you’re mistaken here. I think Ms. Jones hit it right on the nail head. Those three tenets address perfectly the abomination that is and has been going on for the past 150 years or so. Your posts seem to be so right on……..why are you dissing these three principles?

          • eddie47d

            My new friend Ellen; Wow! If this has been going on for 150 years then why is it All Obamas’ fault? That’s going back before the Civil War. Since some on this site call Obama The Messiah is that like still blaming the Jews for the death of Christ?

  • rh

    The two party system is a loser. They are simply “Plan A” or “Plan B” to achieve the same agenda. We’ve been sold out and the tab is being called in by the owners… The dumbing down of America is finally paying off for those who know how to take advantage of it. There are still good people in politics. Doing diligence, asking pertinent questions and voting accordingly is a given that too many have given away…

  • B. J. Adams

    To Graham moderate mean leftward only. He and McCain and a handful of other so-called Republican moderates have weakened the constitution and they seem to delight in it. Surely some of our conservative Democratic office holders can join with conservative constitutional defending Tea Party people and begin to dig us out of this horrific hole we have allowed ourselves to be sunk in.

    Did not anyone learn anything from what President Reagan tried to tell us? Our greatness is in our people, our constitutional principles and our commitment to individual responsibility. This is not a great “Collective” on a train bound for nowhere. Politicians who sell their principles, or have none to begin with, must be retired, sent home, and forgotten. It matters not how smart you are. There is an abundance of smart people. We need GOOD people in office. Right now things are still looking very dark.

    • http://google joel

      Nicely said B.J. and your optimistic view that we still have a Constitution is, well, just that at best. With the race card being played by the left, if you want the real Constitution back you will have to fight for it, which means at some point blood in the streets. The “progressives” want to destroy this country from with in!

  • RivahMitch

    This ‘Nam jarhead wouldn’t care to share a foxhole with Lindsey. Rather have him openly on the other side where I can see him better.

    • http://google joel

      I never saw Eric Holder repeat that “we are a country of cowards” to any of our troops now fighting!

    • tg7357

      I’m with you there. I don’t like to waste ammunition, be it words or bullets. I like a nice, clean target, preferbly with its mouth open (no problem with Graham, he never shuts up!) and it’s pants down around its ankles.(he’s been there a time or two, also)

  • Bob B

    What is important is ,for each of us our beliefs and goals .

    Graham is to many of us too far to the left !

    Conservatives , don’t hold your breath ,the Senator will not be joining us .

    I’m with Wanda .

    Bob

    • Norm

      Bob B
      By New England standards, Lindsay is slightly right of center. I don’t personally like him but at least I respect him as an intelligent, reasonable Senator.

      • http://google joel

        Quit smoking that crap!

        • slickporsche

          Damn Joel I was thinking the same thing. hahahaha LMAO

      • marvin

        Norm your endorsement of graham is all i need to NOT VOTE FOR HIM thank you

      • Ms. Jones

        Your endorsement is all the proof I need that Mr. Graham is no Republican.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Ms Jones,
          If abnorm is backin him that’s all ANY of us should need to convince us to vote against him!!!!

      • Momo

        Norm,

        Too bad New England standards don’t jive with the rest of the country!!!

        • Norm

          Momo
          Or vice versa.

  • tg7357

    Dear Mr Graham: a RINO is as a RINO does. Please sit down and shut up.
    We’ll deal with you in November. You have no room to be speculating “on his concern that the GOP has moved too far to the right ” since you have been busy charging off to the far left. You want to be a demolib, then go join their party and open up you republican seat for someone with republican values.

    • http://google joel

      I donj’t believe he is up for re-election! Really too bad!

      • tg7357

        It really is too bad he won’t loose his seat in November. But, if we can send enough of his fellow RINOs to the unemployment lines this fall, maybe he’ll get the idea we don’t like his kind and the clock is ticking on him, too?

  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    All the RINO candidates need to go. All of them!

    • Ms. Jones

      Robin, I would take it a step further and advocate sending ALL the incumbents home! From a fellow Hoosier

  • Greg

    Republicans think the Tea Party is a supporter of their cause. Bush’s inept second term and lack of spending cuts almost guarantied a Democrat victory. The only differance between the parties is one borrows and spends and the other taxes and spends. There is a lot of verbal disagreement, but very little change in law. We had 2 candidates last time that supported open borders and cap and trade. The people are angry that NOBODY listens.

    • slickporsche

      And you are ? Democrat??

      • Ms. Jones

        Must one choose only from Republican or Democrat? The two, once in office, are virtually indistinguishable from one another.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Greg,
      you have just described the very actions of Nobummer: TAX, BORROW and SPEND big time!!!!

  • FlaJim

    Calling Graham a ‘moderate’ is far too generous. He’s RINO McCain’s poodle and we’ve seen where that’s led us.

    ‘Out of touch with regular Americans’? Dang straight he is.

  • lou

    Graham is a good example of what is wrong in goverment today he will not listen to what the people say and want in our goverment today!
    He has HIS own agenda to promote.

  • http://google joel

    The only people that have the right direction are the “Tea Party”. That is because as a group they show CHARACTER. When a politician breaks the trust it’s over for the constituents. Grahm is not to be trusted and that should be his legacy. Justice Sotomayor was for the 2nd amendment before confirmed and after wrote a disenting opion. No character! Justice Ginsburg has done an immense damage to the neuclear family. Newly elected Scot Brown rolled over on us, Olimpia Snow and her co-hort from Vermont are not to be trusted. These and others like them who lack character need to go. It’s all about CHARACTER or lack of it!

  • Pugsley

    Graham is a traitor to freedom, and should be drawn and quartered with the rest of the liberal/marxist/socialistic/commi traitors!!!

    • eddie47d

      Oh go puke on yourself and put it on you hamburger!

      • libertytrain

        ok then, that wasn’t especially nice either.

  • ladymunchkin

    Lindsey “Gramnesty” Graham is a sell out and nothing more than a mouthpiece for big business lobbyists and specail interest groups. I am ashamed to say that this man is one of my congressmen. He is a disgrace to all that the Republicans are trying to do and with any luck he well be removed from office when he comes up for re-election. He is a disgrace!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.TomBlairEA.com Thomas Avery Blair EA

    DOWN WITH ORGANIZED CRIME—DON’T VOTE FOR ANY FEDERAL INCUMBENTS!

    Respectfully submitted,

    Thomas Avery Blair, EA

  • nolen cox

    I am a TEA party organizer, our goals are simple, Return to the constitution.2. this will reduce the size and scope of government. We are principal based. We want liberty and less taxes. We know how to spend our money better than Congress does. LINSEY GRAHAM is a politician who likes to use our money to make people happy at my expense. Rino Republicans are no different than Democrats, they prefer socalism lite over socalism their goal is the same just slower getting there. Linsey and John McCain both need to be put out of office they are good democrats looking for a party. They have no principals nor are they interested in the constitution and personal liberty.

    • tg7357

      “Rino Republicans are no different than Democrats, they prefer socalism lite over socalism their goal is the same just slower getting there. ”
      Amen , brother ! Thanks to RINOs like Brown, Snow and Collins, we have now been saddled with the ‘Finance Reform Bill ‘ which has little if anything to do with Wall Street reform, Fannie and Freddie reform, or keeping Washington from spending us into oblivion. These kind of politicians, including Graham, never READ these boondoggle masses of paper, they just vote on them. What a bunch of LOOSERS we have as elected officials!!!!!

    • Ms. Jones

      It infuriates me when politicians take our tax money and turn it into pork to secure re-election. The late Robert Byrd was a master at this!

      • eddie47d

        The two States with the greatest Government return (pork) are Republican States Wyoming and Alaska.

        • wayne a

          EDDIE,CHECK YOUR FACTS!

          • Bob Wire

            South Carolina is not doing too bad,at the moment ~ home of “You Lie Wilson”. Navy and Air Force are big employers there ~ Lots of coastline ~ lots of wide expanses. ~ The state going though the worst drought in 300 years of recorded history, They ship out cardboard and ship in BMW parts for assembly. Agriculture has all but dried up as I understand. Any big change in the military, like a stand down will greatly affect the state. To say they have a vested interest in the on going wars an understatement.

          • eddie47d

            Per population

          • DaveH

            Look for page xxii. Or page 24 of 116 in the PDF.
            Notice that it is per capita:
            http://www.census.gov/prod/2009pubs/cffr-08.pdf

  • John Moutray

    Let’s not blast the old boy except at the poles. With conservatives from our own areas to outweigh his vote, he will come around. He seems to like to be with the winning team and the dems are in power so he shakes that way. Concentrate on the tea-party values and work hard to promote them. We must solidify our efforts or we have lost it all and I am much afrait that 2 years hence will be too late. God Bless America and may it ever stand One Nation Under God!

    • http://google joel

      One nation under God! That brings to mind the Pledge by Red Skelton, that is what our kids should be watching in school so they understand what this is all about! REALLY GUYS TAKE A LOOK! Just punch in Red Skelton and watch the video, it takes two minutes.

  • The Doctor

    As a “committed conservative” and historian, I find Mr. Graham’s remarks about the Tea Party Movement insulting and derogatory! The Tea Party at this moment in history, is an “exact reflection” of the movement of the “founding fathers” of this nation! They sought freedom and liberty, within the framework of a Constitution, free of tyranny! That is exactly what the Tea Party Movement is clearly trying to accomplish at this very moment! I can see Graham’s position in all of this and it is not laudable! He is attempting to “maintain the status quo”, with himself in the “higher echelon” of a now “corrupt government”, no matter whom he must “sell out” to accomplish this end!

    It is on this basis, if we were suddenly thrust back to the times of our “founding fathers”, Graham would be a “Tory traitor”, quite willing to “sell-out” his fellow party members for the favor of the crown, in this case it would King Barack!

    Without any doubt, Graham is a traitor to the Party he purports to represent! There are other “Arlan Specter types”, who like Graham, have sold out to those who intend to destroy our Republic, leaving us with only destitution and tyranny, very reminiscent of the Old Soviet Union!

    One only has to scan the voting record during the past 18 months to see who it is, who calls themselves “Republican”, who has “sold out” their “conservative constituency”, to the Socialists who now attempt to control the people of this nation with an “Iron Fist”! It is for that reason; I abandon the Republican Party…too many R.I.N.O.’s and traitors that need “weeding out”! The Republican Party can start in Maine and stop in South Carolina!

    Far too many Republican’s have lost sight of the “Reaganist Ideal” and approach to government! “Less government”, “less regulation”, with which to “control the people”, which our Constitution forbids and is exactly what the Obama Government and the Democrats in this country are doing, in violation of our Constitution, at this very moment in time!

    I will also take this opportunity to state, without equivocation that Graham is in fact a R.I.N.O.! He has supported the “corrupt, un-Constitutional and Socialist policies” of Barack Obama, more times than he has the Republican Party! The “conservative movement in any form, be it Republican or Tea Party, cannot afford traitors like Lindsey Graham! Better to “cast out” the traitors now and rebuild the party!

    All of this leaves me to wonder: How can a state that elects and sends to Congress, “a man of honor and integrity” like Joe Wilson, who calls a liar, a liar, when it’s fitting, also elect a traitor like Lindsey Graham?

    • http://google joel

      You think you have problems, how do I get rid of Levin and Stabanaugh? And if you haven’t noticed, every time you tell the truth in “DC” you have to apoligize for it! And I’m starting to think Scot Brown lied his way in!

      • Ellen

        joel: STARTING to think?

      • http://?? Joe H.

        joel,
        The same way I get rid of Stricklin here in Ohio! VOTE!!! Take a page from Nobummers book and vote early and often!!! whatever you do, VOTE!!!

  • JJ

    There is no doubt that Graham is a RINO. He claims to be a Republican but votes and talks like a liberal Democrat. He needs to go.

  • slickporsche

    Just think how much more effective it would be if we never showed up for the poles in November! Instead millions of us march on Washington, ARMED

    • Ms. Jones

      Before resorting to armed resistance, let’s begin our November Revolution at the ballot box. Show up at the polls armed with cameras. Become poll workers and poll watchers. Document what goes on. If the ACORN remnant shows up to vote multiple times, expose them. If the Black Panthers intimidate voters, expose them. We must resort to armed resistance only when all Constitutional, legal redress fails. Just as our Founding Fathers did.

    • wayne a

      SLICK,you’re one sicko!is that all you can come up with is to shoot someone?

  • Tom in Las Vegas

    It’s time the Tea Party and all the good people who love this great country kick Lindsay Graham and the rest of the RINO’S out of office and put true Conservatives back into the Whitehouse. This November will be the critical turning point for the United States of America, because if we don’t win this time we may lose our freedoms forever.

    ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQENCES!

  • Edward Koziol

    There is not much to say ater reading so many good comments but it comes down to this with Grahamnesty He has some years left on his term so right now he says and does what good RINOS do and that is kiss Obummers ass,the same way Brown,Snowe and Collins do.Hopefully the TeaParty will be around to remind the good people of South Carolina what a Benedict Arnold he really is just like his buddy the war hero McCain.John gave a lot for his country more then anyone could expect but to be a democrat in republican clothing is to much.

    • Ronnie

      We can not wait until his term ends. Graham is out of touch, he should move over to the democratic ticket. He is out of here in2012.

  • FreedomFighter

    ==================================
    Apparently lots of you don’t know anything about the Tea Party. The prime platform of the Tea Party follows:
    Fiscal responsibility
    Limited government
    Constitutional principles
    ==================================

    When the above ideas become “radical” tyrants are in power. They need to be removed from such power and the power returned to the people with “Equal Justice”, Freedom and a goverment limited by the Constitution and the balance between the branches of this goverment restored so that the built in checks and balances of the system serve the citizens of the United States…not anyone else.

    FF

    • Ms. Jones

      Well said, Freedom Fighter. I would also add private property rights and individual liberty to your list.

      • Observer in Las Vegas

        I believe that these two result from Limited Government.

    • Pen

      Right on FF, also add our second amendment right to keep and bear arms. At the last Tea Party I attended we met a group who vetts candidates nationwide, their website is http://www.icaucus.org, please check it out.

    • Bob Wire

      Hmm,? well that’s all fine and good.

      but it’s seem that the answer offered to hunger ~ is placing everyone on a restricted diet!

      You seem to want things “fixed” without changing anything.

      I think we are over reacting ~ to any steering correction.

      Which is understandable and a problem we seem to have with government as it works today. ~ Any steering to the right or left is left unchanged long after receiving the benefit of the correction.

      It’s both right AND left steering that keep us on any course.

      This is where government is failing us miserably.

      My question would be, ~ how can this be addressed? be brought under control?

  • eddie47d

    Most of you seem to be shooting yourselves in the foot. The article said you should have a coherent vision but your far from it. To much extremism,trash talk,untruths and even some over the top arrogance on many issues. The Tea Party stood up for the Constitution and the growing debt issue awhile back and could have become a strong alternative. Now it’s just another party of screamers overloading everything they “touch”.

    • Ms. Jones

      Here is the vision you claim doesn’t exist, and I will even give you a mnemonic so you won’t ever forget it again:

      F for FREE MARKETS, because the collective choices of millions of consumers is a better barometer of the economy than the central planning of a government.

      L is for LIMITED GOVERNMENT, as outlined in the Constitution, because a government big enough to give you everything you want is powerful enough to TAKE AWAY EVERYTHING YOU HAVE.

      I is for INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS. Somehow the idea of “rights” has been corrupted to mean entitlement, at the expense of individual liberty.

      P is for PRIVATE PROPERTY. What I work for and own belongs to ME, not the government. It is mine to share with others via the charitable choices I make. Government exists to protect the private property rights of its citizens, not as an agent to redistribute wealth.

      That’s FLIP, as in FLIP this house, which is exactly what is going to take place come November. Remember it next time you claim the Tea Party has no vision. As far as extremism, trash talk, and over-the-top arrogance, please refer to the progressive Democrats, as in the New Black Panther Party (talk about “screamers”!) arrogant Pete Stark, trash talking Obama and B. Clinton suggesting that Tea partiers will be responsible for the next Oklahoma City, calling citizens “Tea Baggers” in a mocking way . . . the list is endless, and there is videographic evidence in support of it. Now, eddie47d, back up your accusations with evidence. What extremism? What trash talk? Which untruths? And remember, eddie, repeating a lie doesn’t make it truth.

      • Doug Reiber

        Ms. Jones you just keep hitting home run after home run. Very impressive and I could not agree more with you. You are wasting your time with Eddie, you can not ever expect a liberal to have common sense or personal accountability. It just is too much to expect. They are generally spineless and scared little sparrows.

      • Bob Wire

        All noble principal in the theory.

        Application has always been the problem.

        Free markets for example ~ is that state, national or international?

        and what is truly meant by “free”? ~ The state and city demands insurance,licensing and compliance to administrative rules and regs, all work conforming to minimum standards as set by the National Uniform Code Mechanical Code, Asrha, Osha and any amendment and city addendum, for example? ~ There is nothing “free” about that. Someone got their administrative hand out everywhere you go. ~ yet they are not libel for anything and completely impossible to sue!

        Small Government. What does that really mean? I’m all for smaller government as I see the !st and the 15th big days for all of America.

        All governments let go of money on these days ~ and I see the effect in of this small flood of cash coming available in many different ways ~ American lives and breaths for the 1st and 15th. These almost as many people working for government as there is actually “working”

        Yet at the same time ~ at 347 million people and a new American created every 14 seconds, how could we expect government to ever be smaller?

        Individual right ? is a broad subject ~ but it seem you focus only on “entitlements” ~ and that is a good place to start I suppose. ~ It’s seems to be a common dream to look forward to retirement by many. ~ I don’t see it in my future ~ and don’t like to think about it really, swallow a bullet when i can not longer deal with it. The internment prepaid, I try not to leave a big mess. That’s my retirement.

        there’s all kinds of entitlements, ~ double and triple dipping for the most cleaver. ~ It’s a long game, played out by many.

        Personal property? ~ where to start? think I leave that one for later.

        I think it’ll be hard to get everyone cooperation as noble as the idea are.

      • eddie47d

        I said; The Tea Party HAD great ideas (and maybe they still do). I certainly don’t want you to go away but you allowed yourself to be taken over by the talking heads on TV. Lots and lots of trash talk and extremism there. Many good people are being “destroyed” as we speak right now on these “free speech” gutter shows. They fuel the fires that are burning and we all expect America to get better.The poison has been unleashed by both sides so how do we get it back in the bottle?

    • marvin

      eddie47d says: why don,t you go away or act like you have a brain

      • eddie47d

        Oh, Marvin ,You shouldn’t have put words in my mouth! That’s okay I will say something in your behalf someday so remember.

    • Bob Wire

      Golly Gee Eddy, read what you started !

  • Garland

    I’ve never been a Rep or Demo. I have always been a country boy American. When we have a government that says to tell them what they want to hear and when we get in office vote like we want, it’s time for them to go.

  • Observer in Las Vegas

    Apparently not enough of the electorate has read, studied, or been exposed to the results of social experiments (Monarchies, Marxism, Communism, and all other forms of dictatorships) previously attempted throughout the world’s history.
    Equally, the same current electorate does not fully understand the experiment our Founding Fathers have put forth either. And the reason for this lack of understanding can be directly traced to our educational system, that has been massaged by many to distort the history of our country.
    All one has to do is review history books used in schools today, and see how changes are continually made to disconnect us from our true roots. When one changes the population’s perception of history, then “social change” can proceed unimpeded by history and common sense.
    Sadly, the world, and we, will continue to repeat these historical disasters until such time as the failed social experiments, and the true reasons for their failure as fully understood.

    Politicians and diapers have a lot in common. They should be changed often, and for the same reason.

    • Ms. Jones

      Michelle Obama clearly stated that her husband’s goal is to “change history”. One can only change what has happened in the past through LIES and manipulation, as you rightly point out in your example of the distorted text books used in public schools.

      Note that this grassroots movement of Constitutional truth and liberty is happening just as the first generation of Home Schooled children are becoming adults! No longer can politicians dumb down education so that voters will fall for their “bread and circuses”!

  • BrotherPatriot

    You all must keep in mind, that the world masters have worked both sides of the fence. They fund both sides of wars! They give us our two choices for Presidents…thus winning no matter if a Democrat or a Republican is voted in.

    Sooo…we will have some of the Bilderberg Virus people saying they are tea party patriots (even take organizer level positions) and who will say and do things that will indeed give the rest of the real Tea Party a bad name. It’s inevitable. Not to say that all mistakes are by double agents like this…but this must be taken in account.

    It’s standard operating procedures (S.O.P.’s) for people like this. It helps to sow confusion and dissent.

    • EagleEyes33

      Definitely Agree. if you watch bot parties on oppisite sides of the isle.. Thay all use the Same Secret handshake jno matter what side they are on. Thay are all in Cahouts… Big Ass scam being pulled over the eyes of the Sheeple…

    • Observer in Las Vegas

      Yes, BroPat, I just heard on the news this morning that BP gave big bucks to Barry’s campaign. I can just imagine the mental squirming in Barry’s brain as this mess unfolded. Maybe there is some semblance of balance in the universe. :)

  • EagleEyes33

    Succession of the States is going to be necessary after the Obama Administration Sabatoges the Immigration Law in Arizona by threatening Federal Judges. They will definitely sway the vote toward abolishing the Arizona Law…. Mark my words this very day. Wait and See… Thomas Miller

  • EagleEyes33

    Arm Yourselves with Guns and Plenty of Ammo….. Food Water and whatever else you think you’ll need..

  • Marilyn

    The Tea Party has the Congressmen/women shaking in their boots and rightly so. It’s time to start listening to the PEOPLE. It is Government for the people and by the people. Politicians’ Long Range Goals. That scares me. I’ve already seen what has happened in the past few months and it is not good. Why would we want more of the same? The Congress needs to leveled out so the boat is not tipped one way or the other. No more puppets in the Democratic Congress. That only leads to worse than Socialism.

    Politicians forget that a large number of The People are also educated and well bred citizens and know when they are getting led down a path to total distruction. The end goal is to put people back to work, reduce taxes, live within our means (EVERYONE), know who we can trust and not trust -keep the vigil eye, stop illegal immigration, go back to speaking English, follow the United States Constitution, No more Big Government, and Federal and State Governments use tax payers money in a reasonable fashion with accountability. There is more but why bore with things that Tea Parties know.

  • http://arjay@mchsi.com Richard J. Sizer

    FDR rated best president. Pres. now limited to two terms. Truman ended WW II. LBJ fought war of shame! Bush,Sr. stopped at the Iran Border. “Burning Bush”, Jr. destroyed Satan Hussien when called: 911?
    And destroyed the World Economy! The National Guard was dispatched
    overseas and Our Country fights the $$$ War, within Our Borders?
    Congress is fighting for Individual re-Election? Donkeys and Elephants can share except the Washinton, DC Zoo? We create Kings &
    Queens in America and the Working Poor can eat Cake? I survived WW II
    in the South Pacific for This? Children cannot recite the Pledge and
    We Burn our Flag? And VA does not Care? Land of the Free & Cowards?

    • wildbill (abn)

      Richard,
      Thanks for your service in the pacific, you guys went thru hell.
      I’m sure you remember the oath we took “to defend the constitution against all enemies, both foreign and domestic” I still do! We, as did the founders, pledged “our fortunes, our lives and our sacred honor” to preserve that document and thereby preserve our freedoms.
      Our founders drew up that wonderful document to preserve our God given right to freedom, security in our persons & our homes, free speach,the right to worship our God as we please, the right to protect our families and selves with a gun if need be and the right to choose our representatives. To this day I will still defend it in whatever way necessary in appreciation for what this country has given me and my family and to preserve it for my descendants.
      Currently respect, honor, patriotism, self sacrifice, adherence to the rule of law are not in vogue. “Grab all you can whenever you can” now has become the norm and some of our elected representatives in the government are prime examples of this. True, there may be one or two that are “honorable” but I can’t honestly pick them out.
      We now have to make a choice, knowing that the candidates are probably feeding us a line of crap just to get our vote. Don’t be fooled, “By their fruits shall ye know them”, become fruit inspectors and throw the rotten fruit out with the rest of the garbage. If the candidate respects and wants to preserve the constitution, as proven by his record, vote for the varmint. But if he espouses the “progressive” (marxist socialist) model fight him or her with all your might. I remember during the Mcarthy era all the communists in our neighborhood changed over to being progressives. They also changed the name of their schools to “progressive schools”. They glorified life under the russian regieme as we all waited for the bus at the bus stop until one little old lady in a babushka and a heavy winter coat spoke up, saying “you full s***, I come from russia, russia s***, you full s***. At that point all the people at the bus stop cheered and clapped their hands and congratulated the russian lady. We also need to speak up like that little old lady, without fear, when events require it or we will lose that freedom to speak out.
      Check out whoever wants your vote, where does he go to church, who are his friends (birds of a feather flock together) and whatever else you can. Take whatever he or she tells you with a grain of salt. Be a fruit inspector and mayhap I won’t have to again hear about the face of chairman Mao being hung on the christmas tree in the white house.
      If we are not willing to do the research and inform people as to the consequences of how we vote, we won’t be able to vote and may even see the inside of a “Summer Camp” like Dachau, which I visited while stationed in Germany. A scene I will never forget as long as I live.

      May God have mercy on America and guide us in our defence of the freedoms he granted us thru the wisdom and sacrafices of the founding fathers.

      • Frank the observer

        General reaction to these posts? We are a nation that has irreconcilable differences, period! The solution I offer is a civil divorce. Our economy is part free market AND part socialist. With that assessment, where else are we to go. The only option we want to remove from the leftist quiver is FORCE. A divorce would settle this argument in short order. The line would be drawn with total clarity. This separation need not be violent. It could prove to be a win win solution. The socialist/leftist cabal would get their opportunity to bring about the utopia they claim is there for them to grasp, unfortunately for them, it would also be without our money. We, the Constitutionalists would have our freedom to expose the leftist lies for exactly what they are. Once and for all the left would be faced with the problem of funding the unfundable. As was once said: the problem with socialism is that they eventually run out of other peoples money.
        The left has never been sufficiently pressured to prove their premise. We conservatives, have lacked an offensive game plan. We seem to get sucked into a no win game of arguing with the left. That argument can never be won by us, because facts don’t matter to leftists. They really are intellectually dishonest people. One cannot have a meaningful discussion with people who cannot even be honest about who and what they really want. They find it necessary to rename themselves on a regular basis.
        The Tea Party movement, while encouraging, is 46 years too late. This movement needed to occur after the landslide victory of LBJ in 1964. That election marked the unofficial death of America. At that time my thinking was that we would never recover from those election results. The Great Society, The War on Poverty, the drug culture, the student revolution put into motion the elements that we are still fighting, to this day. The fight has not gone well for our side. As smart as I believe the average conservative to be, I also have to say that we have lacked the talent to express our views effectively. We have not learned the language of conversion. We have relied on inviting people to hear a speaker, to read a book, etc. That has never been enough. Without the talent of Rush, Glenn, and others we would be in much worse shape than we’re in now.
        On the plus side, an incredible number of Americans have awakened to the danger we face. Media has had a tremendous impact on the tone of the debate nationally.
        One last point. Calling, writing and contacting one’s leftist representatives is a total waste of time. They do not care what we think. BUT, neither do our conservative hero’s. May I suggest a movement to put a full court press on THEM. We can no longer be satisfied with glossy ACA voting records or soothing rhetoric. That tactic is a loser. We need them to speak out boldly and question effectively what is happening every day. Our hero’s have no stomach for a full out word war backed by undeniable, air tight evidence. Think Tom Daschelle for a moment. His demeanor was mild and soft spoken,but his intent was anything but mild. Let’s leave it to them to decide on the tactics, we’ll decide if they’re on offense or not. We have never lacked for supportive evidence equal to the task, just the willingness to use that evidence.
        I don’t lie about the left. I don’t take them out of context. I don’t invent things about them. Why? Because to do do would take all of the fun out of verbally wiping the floor with them. I don’t want to leave them so much as a sliver of light through which to escape.
        My final comment to them is to thank them for listening patiently (when applicable) to things that they no doubt were pained by. So, now I’ll return the favor and give them the floor and the opportunity to refute what I’ve said. And, I wait. And I wait some more. I watch the discomfort on their faces. I enjoy that discomfort. When I’ve had my fill, I explain to them that the reason for their silence is that they don’t know what to say that would invalidate what I’ve said.
        The worst sin in the world is to lose to the left. This fight should have been over DECADES AGO. It is the supreme embarrassment to LOSE TO THESE TRAITORS.

  • BRUCE H>

    GRAHAM should get the hell out of congress just for agreeing with climate change. What a loser. I would vote for any tea party candidate because they are fiscally responsible. What has he done to help the growing national debt ?

    • wayne a

      BRUCE,seems like we’re falling for a typical obuma ploy.everyone is trashing grahm,which i agree with,but by steering the discussion away from the real culprit,obama,it takes the heat off of him.held the old saying”out of sight,out of mind”.don’t forget who’s deliberately trying to destroy this country!

  • marvin

    i never really liked suprises or being played the fool if i tell you something i mean what i say and say what mean,do not say any thing that you can not back up with fact,so here is a little fact take a demdocrat an independent and a repubucrat put them n a room togrether working on cap and tax or comprehinsive immigration[amnesty]the bet thing we as american can do is grab are wallet,or put a book in the back of your underware,for you are fixen to get screwed big time schumer is a out and out liberal,liberman is a cooke cutter for the liberal democrats,graham is a liberal repuckican, put them all togetter and they spell i hate you america for we in power know whats best and how to spend your money

  • anton

    I’ve read somewhere that Graham might be homosexual.
    Perhaps he thinks the way he does because he wants to taste the wonders of Obama.

    • Bob Wire

      9th commandment ~ remember?

      • anton

        Then I presume to can prove the rumor untrue?

        • Bob Wire

          Only you and da man, knows your intentions, it between the two of you.

  • http://akimmel@fullerton.edu Alfred

    The Tea Party is America! Americans wanting our country to get back to what our founders set up as the FOUNDATION of or goverment. Freedom to express our opionions ideas and suggestions. The Goverment is to surve the people not dominate us. Protect our freedoms and protect and defend or borders. A nation that can not defend it`s borders can not exsist too long. God Bless the Tea Party People!

  • Robert Moon

    Graham is wrong, The Tea Party has actually brought the Republican’s together and they now have more cohesion than in a long time. It’s the Rino’s and so called moderates that keep tearing the republicans apart. The Tea Party has steered the GOP back to their roots of smaller government, lower taxes and a Constitutional government.

    • Bob Collinsworth

      You are right on the money! We need about 100,000,000 more like you.

      • Bob Wire

        Ha ha hehehehe ! yepper ! that’d do it!

      • Smilee

        That’s your prob;lem you will never get enough tea baggers to get the change you want!!

    • Harry Grimsby

      Spot-on Robert . . . spot-on!

    • Pete Cardovic

      Truer words were never spoken Robert. Good for you for telling it like it is!

    • Ralph Stone

      Robert:

      You are so very much on-target, it is like a breath of fresh air.

    • Aunt E.

      Yes, yes, yes, YES! Now, that is telling it like it is!

    • Lady D.

      Are you paying attention RNC? You damned well should be!

    • The Old Goat

      Someone needs to draft Robert Moon to head-up the RNC. It appears that he has more sense in his little finger than the whole of the RNC has combined! Good job Robert. You are exactly right.

    • HarryG1948

      You couldn’t be more correct Robert. It is just a shame that the political morons of the RNC can’t see it.

    • BigDave

      You might as well vote Democrat as believe the RNC. They have become sheep following Facelift Pelosi and her Obama puppet and we want our party ba-a-a-a-ack . . . understand RNC?

    • GlennR.

      The RNC threw Sarah Palin under the bus. How can we trust them now? Robert Moon has hit the nail on the head with his post but don’t expect the RNC to understand that.

    • KReems

      OMG – are you ever right Robert! Graham wouldn’t know conservatism if it bit him in the Butt. That is one career politician that just has to go!!!!!

    • Ryan L.

      Why do the Tea-Party groups wield such power?
      Regardless of how strongly and how frequently the mass media tries to paint the Tea-Party groups as far right-wingers, radicals, and nuts, America does not appear to be buying what they are selling. The average American taxpayer has been hammered by taxes, hammered by insane government spending, hammered by lies from our leadership, hammered by unemployment, and hammered by a blatant disregard from our elected officials. American taxpayers have repeatedly voiced their disapproval of proposed changes from the government only to have their elected officials vote to approve those changes. Both sides of the political aisle own a piece of the tea-party pie. The tea-party groups are not comprised of right-wingers only, as the mass media would have you believe. Most tea-party participants are American taxpayers who are fed-up with having special interest groups, lobbyists, and Congressional leadership (if you can call what Pelosi and Reid are doing leadership) calling the shots via various payoffs and coercive techniques while their votes, letters, E-Mails, faxes, and phone calls are ignored.
      The tea-party groups are having an effect, as incumbent after incumbent is given the bums-rush at the polling booth. Still, corruption-by-wrote appears to continue. Even as their brethren are being ejected, the remaining elected officials continue to accept donations from special interest groups and their lobbyists. According to an article in the New York Times (May 23, 2010), titled “Wall St. money floods D.C. in finance bill fight” by Eric Lichtblau and Edward Wyatt, “Members of the House and Senate financial committees have been frequent recipients of Wall Street’s largess and this shows little sign of abating”. In that article, the authors further reference the fact that “So far in the 2010 election cycle, members of the financial committees have far outpaced those of other committees in fund-raising parties by holding 845 events, according to the Sunlight Foundation, a Washington nonprofit group that tracks fund-raisers”. Some of these fund-raisers held by special interest groups took place immediately before crucial votes. Does this show boldness or just arrogance from our elected officials?
      When clear signals from the American voter are repeatedly ignored by the elected officials who are supposed to be representing them, Americans will do what Americans have done for over 200 years . . . They will hunker-down and fight. The Tea-Party groups are simply platoons of voters who understand that it is time to turn and fight.
      Politicians are not the only ones with leadership ability. Actually, it currently appears that they may be the only ones without it! The current crop of elected officials seem to believe that the American voter will forgive and forget, as they have done so many times in the past. I believe that this time, they are wrong. There are just too many Americans who have watched their homes foreclosed upon, too many who have seen their retirement savings disappear, too many who have watched their children’s and grandchildren’s futures flushed down the drain just to allow elected officials to continue their ride on the government gravy train.
      Politicians are usually very adept at playing the numbers game. This time, they appear to have lost count!

      • Frank the observer

        What a pleasant surprise to read a coherent, intelligent comment from a respondent. As I said, conservatives ARE very intelligent, and have all of the facts necessary to respond effectively. Well done! Don’t stop now. Thank you for your remarks.

        • Bob Wire

          That was good wasn’t it! ~ and that’s what I want to believe about the Tea Party. ~ But the rhetoric commentary fails to fit the picture. ~ And!

          Federal Taxes are very low ~ so the high tax issues has little to do with the Fed and more with the state.
          ~~~
          Just for fun let’s back up here and laugh a little with George Wallace, a man I always enjoyed listen too like some of you do Rush.

          I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny, and I say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever.
          George C. Wallace

          I’m the lamest lame duck there could be.
          George C. Wallace

          I’ve seen many politicians paralyzed in the legs as myself, but I’ve seen more of them who were paralyzed in the head.
          George C. Wallace

          If any demonstrator ever lays down in front of my car, it’ll be the last car he’ll ever lay down in front of.
          George C. Wallace

          Look at all the buses now that want exact change, exact change. I figure if I give them exact change, they should take me exactly where I want to go.
          George C. Wallace

          Since my accident I am a little more mindful of the suffering of other people.
          George C. Wallace

          Sure, I look like a white man. But my heart is as black as anyone’s here.
          George C. Wallace

          They’re building a bridge over the Potomac for all the white liberals fleeing to Virginia.
          George C. Wallace

          Why does the Air Force need expensive new bombers? Have the people we’ve been bombing over the years been complaining?
          George C. Wallace

  • AndrewEdB

    Lindsey Graham (RINO from South Carolina) is whining about how the Tea Party Movement is Unsustainable since that is PRECISELY what he is hoping for; That is his PERSONAL MISSION, specifically to TANK the GRASS ROOTS TEA PARTY MOVEMENT because the old PARASITE (did I say that TRUTH out loud?) is AFRAID that he is a soon to be natural RINO TARGET of we Tea Party members who see him for what he is … A MARXIST ENABLER because he only cares about his PERSONAL well being and “Legacy”. The idiot’s “LEGACY” has already been written; HE IS A SELL OUT RINO. His political life is threatened as soon as his name appears on the next election ballot; The imbecile knows that, he sees the writing on the wall, and he is taking a PRE-EMPTIVE SHOT at the only organization that is likely to REMOVE HIS PARASITIC FAT BUTT from the halls of the Senate. A long overdue event.

    No Mr. Graham; the unsustainable entities are the RINOS and other MARXISTS who currently INFEST the halls of Congress.

    • Fred S.

      Now that is “Calling a scumbag a scumbag”! Good job AndrewEdB.

    • PSA911

      “Parasite” – a perfect description of Graham. He has ridden the government gravy train for way too long – let’s get his sorry old butt out of there in November!

  • Sofia

    “You and I are told we must choose between a left or right, but I suggest there is no such thing as a left or right, There is only an up or down. Up to man’s age-old dream — the maximum of individual freedom consistent with order — or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism.”
    — Ronald Reagan, in his 1964 speech “A Time for Choosing”

  • http://none Friction

    “The growth in the number of conservative grassroots political organizations, including those considering themselves ‘Tea Party’ is increasing rapidly”

    One of the largest complaints the left has about this tea bagger movement, and what leads to much of the “how smart can they be” rhetoric from the left, is that there is never data to substantiate the argument. You have statements like the one with no underpinning data to show that it is a true statement.

    • Bob Wire

      Oh! you’ve noticed that too? “They are destroying American” is one of my all time favorites! Having yet in anyway to offer “how” ~ I’m not sure if Omama is turning the White House into a “Bed & Breakfast” or there to be a national moratorium on watermelon sales south of the Maison -Dixion until a immigration reform bill is on his desk ready to sign.

  • http://aol randy

    november,my birthday.a chance to strike a blow for liberty and freedom

  • http://gmail i41

    friction, either you are a socialist democrat, or little thin twix the ears union idoit, or all the above and really just dislike, conservative thoughts and ideas. I think the USA really has a chance to right the negative plans of all socialist marxist morons in Congress and the phony muslim girly whoosy tht got into the white house. McNutt would has moved more slowly with almost the same results. With more people waking up to the beltway eleits jambing garbage rules and regulations on everyone and private businesses, this should keep younger people enjoying the effects of beleiving BS from muslim marxist Prez and the socialist democrat party and all the feel good lying thugs.

    • Bob Wire

      Details Please! give us details ~ assigning labels, attempting to debase, by shear name calling is not going to give you the results you seek.

  • RHSchumann

    This is a new Post to let all those know who responded to my earlier comments that I enjoyed poking a stick into a hornets nest. Wouldn’t be much fun now, would it, if everybody who posts on this site agrees. And I appreciate getting support from a few. Many of the responses confirm that many of those who are true disciples of Beck, Rush, and Palin have taken leave from civility and respect for different opinions. Thank you for confirming what I always suspected. But perhaps some didn’t read the Comment Policy.

    • chuck b

      rhschumann

      you make ridiculous statements like “i voted republican consistently” the party of lincoln!! what is it with you liberals, always trying to reference yourself as something you are not. are you trying to convince people to become a liberal like you?? you demean people like the tea party, rush and beck. please be honest, you are truly a supporter of the muslim in chief. so stand up and say “i am truly a liberal democrat” now don’t you feel better.

      • Bob Wire

        ““i voted republican consistently” the party of lincoln!!”

        “Abraham Lincoln (February 12, 1809 – April 15, 1865) served as the 16th President of the United States from March 1861 until his assassination in April 1865. He successfully led his country through its greatest internal crisis, the American Civil War, preserving the Union and ending slavery.

        Before his election in 1860 as the first Republican president, Lincoln had been a country lawyer, an Illinois state legislator, a member of the United States House of Representatives, and twice an unsuccessful candidate for election to the U.S. Senate.

        As an outspoken opponent of the expansion of slavery in the United States,[1] Lincoln won the Republican Party nomination in 1860 and was elected president later that year. His tenure in office was occupied primarily with the defeat of the secessionist Confederate States of America in the American Civil War”

        What gives Chuck? ~ Does your history book read differently ?

        • chuck b

          bob wire

          mr. lincoln is not the savior of the black race as many of you more liberal minded think. he was one of the advocates and A donator to the society started back in jeffersons time to rid the united states of all blacks by sending them to liberia. he fought with the south over states rights which did include the slavery issue, however, he probably would have been considered a racist by this days liberal standards. you evidently have been reading to many revised history books. my history book dates 1919, how about yours?

          • Bob Wire

            ~ what all that got to do with his statement that he voted Republican the party of Lincoln for X years? ~ The statement was simple enough. How is your commentary germane to his statement?

            to follow your lead off

            The reasons for the civil war were many ~ You could say it was the Firing on Fort Sumter, or a vote of “No confidence” on the Senate Floor ~ or a “walk out” by southern statesmen~ or a book! that was popular at the time that inflamed anger and fear among whites toward blacks.

            or what you said,

          • Bob Wire

            History is a wonderful study Chuck and the pursuit of it endless and exciting. ~Your book Sounds like a great old book to read and gain insights from.

            There are many such old books, several hundreds my guess ~ and each offering a slightly different view to a story, a different angle. And there’s probably millions of history overview books.

            I was a soldier in Nam ~ but I really knew very little about the war. At the time, I couldn’t write you a comprehensive book about it ~ Soldiers work on “need to know” bases. ~ If we didn’t need to know, we wasn’t told, informed, trained or educated of it. Life is better for a soldier that way. It keeps his head clear for the task at hand. I can tell you many things about certain events I witnessed. But it’s only now, 40 years later that I really know about the war.

            And so it is with history books of all ages and authors. ~ You are left to read them ALL! and form you own views ~

      • Claire

        I don’t believe Lincoln was “Mr. Nice Guy.”

        • Claire

          I should have finished. Lincoln was not without his faults. Sure, he abolished slavery, but there is more to his life outside the White House.

      • eddie47d

        chuck B; Rush & Glenn (conservatives) constantly demean people.

        • Bob Wire

          one thing for sure! Their glass is always half empty! and a liberal is the cause! ~ They are Sham WOW salesmen! Hey but WAIT! make that call now and you get absolutely free ~~ 20 more! and that’s not all!

          I could do the same thing here ~ and I do sometimes ! speak shamelessly! ~ but it’s not my nature.

          and not often, just enough to keep the audience tuned in and pi$$ed off.

          Let us accept the fact ~ some people are feeding on it and need it! It justify their reason for being unhappy.

          It’s like the man that was addicted to snake bite medicine ~and carried around his own snake.

          It’s all a part of the human mind works, a mind that can invent and create whatever it wants too. Beliefs,fears, joy and sad ~ all created in the mind. Houses, bridges, trains cars, relationships ~ all manifestations of the mind and all very real.

          This can be used for something good or bad. ~ people make this choice, ~ when it’s fed the power of the “collective” everyone can see it ~ while some are still left wondering WTF! is that! Where did that come from?

        • http://?? Joe H.

          edduh,
          yup glenn Beck constantly demeans people……With FACTS!!! What’s the matter booby bother you that he can and your hero Nobamamcan’t???

          • rwnut

            JoeH…You can slap a loonie leftie all day long with FACTS,and they just think you’re fanning his farts.

  • hirize

    “but we will not tolerate racism, profanity or slanderous comments toward the author(s) or comment participants”.

    Here we have a web site by the name of “Personal Liberty Digest” restricting the first amendment right of free speech…go figure!

    • libertytrain

      hirize – personal liberty is a very fine line to walk – one still has an obligation not to trample someone elses personal liberty. It seems to me that the utmost care is taken not to remove too many unkind or foul words and yet sometimes things have to be adjusted when they get too out of hand. You and I don’t own this site – they’ve just very kindly made it available for us to use and share and it is their personal liberty to decide the rules. I suggest if you don’t like it, start your own —–

  • http://www.churchofthemuzzelflash.com Drake Bailey

    COOL!
    Wonder if da Tea parties is runnin gainst this one too…?
    Mus be doin somthin right somewhere in here.
    Guess I jus be too prejudice ta be any more civility than this broken English…
    OH Yeah!
    There is a big fat reward for any PROOF of racist name calling and stuff like that.
    The Tea Party does need a little more simple definition, what we are, and what we are not. And advertise it loudly too!
    Kind of fun being able to do the laundry so well that ‘they’ take notice an start callin us names…
    Besides, we are classified as TERRORISTS! You know, anyone who disagrees with those in office kinda thing.
    If we was really nice, we would send a few cases of Tums to D.C.
    Keep on, Keepin on…y-all!

  • Bob Wire

    You are not Terrorist! You are Republican’s with a bed sheet pulled over your heads with two eye holes! With plans to clean things up, political correctness be damned! Say what needs to be said, do what needs to be done! That’s the reason for the “sheets” because the GOP wants the benefits associated with the Main Stream while being guilty of acting outside the norms of social acceptance.

    I think that pretty well sums up “the” Tea Party. Their actions not the results of any rational thought process but “pure intuition”. They lash out at all that “offends their senses”, a position held for the must righteous of the righteous. ~ Anyone that can’t “see” and don’t “agree” are just stupid, wrong and worthy scorn.

    Show me I’m wrong.

    • chuck b

      you are either a carpet bagger or one who patronizes.
      i lash out at you who are ignorant of your own thoughts. the people who attend the tea party meetings i have been to are pure american citizens, veterans, small business and a general run of working people. these are the ones you fear, they fear our country is headed in the wrong direction as i do.
      these are much like the people who founded this country, they are christian and god fearing for the most part, so if i were you, think about it when you make your snide remarks.

      • eddie47d

        Then control your snide remarks!

        • Bob Wire

          It’s okay eddie ~ I enjoy the feed back, it’s telling me the message received. ~ “snide remarks” is a very “metered response” I would think.

          As for carpetbagger or “patron” or whatever I was labeled ~ makes little sense and I ignore it. I’m not offended by such things. ~

          In order to be “offended” a person “must be” weak, weak in what they believe, in who they think they are or their position. I am none of these and know who I am. I’m the voice of reason, I don’t have to hide in a group or a veil of secrecy , I don’t have to seek affirmation or justify my position. I don’t have tear people down to elevate myself. I don’t want to be elevated above others ~ I’m just your neighbor American, I want to look people straight in the eye and talk serious about serious issues. I am open to serious discussion and different viewpoints and find I am not alone. I need no Tee Shirt, no badge or Harvard education and speak only with-in my abilities, willing to bow to stronger minds.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        chuck b.
        Just ignore the flies! they eat s–t and bother people but a strip of sticky paper fouls all of their plans!!!

    • Grandpa

      Bob, it is obivious you do not know anything about the tea party people! They stand for having the people elected representing them not thinking they know better! That is why our election process is so important! If you are not representing us “the people” that put you there, we will remove you by secret ballot and elect someone that will represent us “the people”!!!!!!

      • Bob Wire

        Grandpa, I respect your views and all your efforts. I would speculate you are involved for all the right reasons and that there are many more like yourself, that would take my views as hard to swallow and rather believe REV, Jimmy Jones had the best ideas and the best KooL Aid around.

        Continue with you Tea Party involvement ~ It’s really your only option but understand what they are attempting to do ! Please You! once again and willing to tell you anything! Nobel Ideas are easy to sell! And that’s what they are offering!

        But once they’ve got you! They’ll return to their same old ways! ~

        This Tea Party is “NOT” ~ I repeat is not addressing the influence of special interest! ~ because ~ It “IS” an arm of special Interest!

        The same people that tells the Rank and File GOP how the cow eats the cabbage.

        They just want your vote ! and if you want to defend, support and send them some money ~ that’s okay too. They enjoy more control over the country and world affairs with a GOP administration, as the GOP is found more sympathetic towards Big Business and Special Interest.

        The reasons I resist these “efforts” ?

        I feel these people are living “too large” and only a few are found “giving back” to the institutions and the very country that created them. Their wealth has made them international people, with the means to live anywhere they choose. Politics to them is all about markets and margins and has little to do with personal liberties, loyalties and honor of country.

        ~ It would be a sad day to depend on charity ~ people don’t want charity! They want a level playing field and a fair deal. ~ and that’s what’s disappearing!~~”The level playing field and the fair deal”. As Special Interest turns the middle classes into a “CasH CoW” to be milked and milked and milked. ~ The old cow is running out of milk ~ but that’s corrected with adding more people! Pro life Pro Illegal Immigration anything that makes market demands high, the more noble they can make it sound, the easier to sell or the least they have to do engage.

        ~ Illegal Immigration? Is fine with the GOP! regard less what they say! Regardless what they do. ~ Illegals are a great source of “Cheap NON_VOTING Labor” keeping labor cost down, and they too are milked! ~ That’s way it’s not been addressed in the passed but with token gestures. You hide and watch, The GOP will find a good reason to block any reform. There will be something unacceptable and they will blame the Democrats for the failure. It’s a NO- Brainer from a GOP standpoint.

        The sad part is ~ The DNC is not without it’s own transgressors as well. The Power of Money affects us all.

        So we got big job on our hands ! Don’t allow these people to pull the wool over our eyes Grandpa.

    • alpha-lemming

      I’ll only agree with one thing…. political correctness be damned!! You confuse the h*ll out of me… one time sounding fairly pro-liberty and the next?? It’s like the “1984″ platform….. censorship=free speech, slavery=liberty, and now Constituional limitations=racism and well reasoned LEGITIMATE disagreement=instinct. What DO you want??

      • Bob Wire

        I want everyone to think long and hard about what’s before us today.

        I want us to use our minds and hard data and not depend on pure intuition and long fixed bias to make solid assessments. To work inside the realm of probability and be realistic in our ambitions and our approach.

        If this requires me to be the turd in the punch bowel ~ that I will be.

        The end product will be better for it. ~ And you do plan to create a final product don’t you? That’s what you all are promising us.

        A change? ~ The change this administration has started will not end with it’s final tenure, but continue. We are needing some hard left at the moment to get on track. But there will come a time for some “right steering” ~ this is where your movement will come into play. It’s my hope you have some polished ideas by then and not just 4 word slogans.

        “Country First” from people with a silver spoon up their butts ~ left me cold, as the nation reels from years of special interest lining their pockets while body bags arrive home to grieving teary eyed mothers and working folks finding it difficult to find gainful employment.

        You want change? Start Talking about how we are going to free ourselves from the yoke of special interest while keeping markets strong and the I will know you are indeed a new breed of Republican and conservative.

        • RHSchumann

          Well said!

        • alpha-lemming

          Sorry about the late reply (been workin’… a 4 letter word the left for sure) but hope you get this. I’ll try to deal with your concerns in reverse order.
          You appear to be operating under a false assumption… I haven’t been a Republican in 20 years. Libertarians have a lot of disagreements with the Republican party… however we have NO agreements with Socialists (formerly Democrats… striving to be accurate with the Kings’ english). I believe the “corporate fat-cat, draconian, theocratic, punitive, anti-freedom Republicans” will be the death of the country. Problem is, they are VASTLY superior to the “whining, helpless, stupid, inept, irresponsible, lazy, condescening, divisive, selfish, you guys owe me a ___ communist, criminal DemocRATS”!! You (the progressive collective) are the “takers” of society, NEVER offering, NEVER contributing, NEVER uttering responsibility (at least not without a corporate modifier), and the more deviant the behavior/manners, the bigger the “rock-star” status, resume enhancement of your leaders. You are the WORST PEOPLE ON THE PLANET!!… but other than that I have no strong feelings one way or the other. As I stated in another post somewhere… If the Republicans are taking us to H*ll on a freight train… the Dems are taking there on an SST.
          Next… I have to thank you for enlightening me to a misconception I’ve been operating under. There are no such things as left-wing special interest groups!! I never knew!! I’m comforted to know that the “Greens”, Blacks, Browns, NOW, foreign entities (Chi-coms, polynesian etc.), labor unions, ACORN/SEIU etc. aren’t “lining anybodys’ pockets”!! You REALLY need to spread this around because I don’t think the people know yet. Also, war is h*ll. I’ll make a leap of faith here and assume “body bags” comment was in referemce to Iraq. I agree… Iraq was a text-book case of a good warrent (WMDs.. GWB… hate ‘im… wasn’t the only world leader who thought so), but a bad bust. The nano-second they stopped looking for WMDs, the warrent became immediately null and void and our guys shoulda been out in 72hrs. No jobs??? Look no further than an oppressive government demanding their “pound of flesh”… ergo, no money for expansion/new hirees. Unless you’re a Kucinch (sp?) devotee thinking employment to the point of losing money and NOT profit should every companies mission statement. That would explain a lot of your next (previous) statement.
          We need to track left….. LEFT…LEFT??!!?? We are already two thirds of the the way to Red China/USSR type TOTALITARIAN RULE!! Not an opinion… it can be fact checked just about anywhwere short of the Daily KOS or Mother Jones. Just how far left is good?? Are you a Michael Mooron “everybody should be paying an 85% tax rate”?? A good shot of anarchy (OED definition.. No central authority) would go a long way to bring us back from the brink.
          I’ll end my little diatribe by saying… “we should base our decisions on data and not intuition?? Well… here’s a little data. The federal government has FAILED in EVERY… not some, not most… EVERY non-Constitutionally stipulated endeavor they’ve ever undertaken. SSI… goin’ broke, war on poverty (or every other war on ___ you can name) still got poverty… numbers growing, NO change in percentage, MedicARE/AID, USPS, Amtrak,… more recently TARP, $$ for Clunkers… EVERYTHING FAILED TO FIX ANYTHING, RAN OVER BUDGET 100% OF THE TIME, AND ONLY P*SSED AWAY MONEY!! Now… with this 1000 batting average… what will make it different this time.. hmmmm??? If you want one unifying, factual nutshell phrase that acurately describes 98.5% of “Tea Partiers”…. Government IS the problem!!!

          • Bob Wire

            It might surprise you ~ I agree with much of what you offer. ~ I don’t agree however that we are as far left as you state and feel you greatly embellish in your frustration.

            I personally detest government of all kinds and on many levels. ~ A few years ago I thought I’d found the perfect place for a man like myself. ~ at the very southern tip of Texas, a play ground, I had the Gulf and both side of the Rio. You could reach and do what you wanted to do. One only had to behave just a little and respect others ~the coast guard and the border police was about it for the most part

            ~ then in thru town came some college boys dressed up like NIJA Turtles pulling a 27ft cigarette with 4, 225 HP Merc’s off the transom , in huge letters on the side read “HOME LAND SECURITY” ~~ inside a week, we were getting citations for speeding in the bay ( I suppose they were the only ones privileged to go over 70) The bay is huge and few around! ~ Then the Mexican Fed’s and the drug cartels moved in and little fire fights would break out at the market place or square.

            So I came back home! disappointed and thinking about maybe Australia.

            But until then ~ I’m here ~ If you think we can somehow ween the American people off of Government ~ I’m all ears. But here’s the deal, you can’t kill them and you can’t starve them ~ so what’s your plan?

          • Bob Wire

            alpha ~ I would like to comment on your “assessments”

            The thrust of much of your commentary rest on your opinions and beliefs is some kind of absolutes might perhaps exist as you claim government has failed and success does not exist in many of their endeavors.

            I take some exception to that view point. ~ As I believe ~ nothing stands or last forever. ~ Granted there is both a long and a short view to consider. Both views show us evidence and signs of rewards and improvements ~ be it so, you wish not to recognize or see them as such is purely a matter of subjective perception.

            If you wish not to see success ~ there will be no success.

          • alpha-lemming

            Dear Bob
            You are resonable…. which is why I stated “You confuse the h*ll outta me”!! You detest/suspect government, but then state we need to track left??? That’s akin to “if someone throws a left hook at you, the best defense is to lean into it”. And, unfortunately, my biases are the product of a lifetime of observation and, for lack of a better term, the “professional system gamers”….. nearly universally lefties. You’re well spoken and hope to continue conversations in the future.

          • Bob Wire

            Well Sir Alpfa,

            I say such things for I speak in “real time” ~ what’s needed Now! Today!

            We are very close to an economic collapses. That this many not be as obvious to you tells me several things. You’ve yet to appreciate the urgency, suggesting to me you are (like many others) insulated in someway. A sound job or something. ~ you might well be losing in other areas, like mutual funds or other investment. ~ but you are not 30 to 60 days from being put out on the streets with a pocket full of nothing but lint balls.

            There are people that do hurt today and their are numbers many. ~ They were little difference from most American’s , they had jobs at one time, banking accounts, hopes, plans and dreams. ~ They too ~ believed in America and what it stood for ~ They paid taxes ~ they bought homes, insurance, car and sent children to school.

            Today, they are victims of their hopes and dreams, of Nafta, of Wall Street bankers, of antitrust-immunity, of deregulation and regulation.

            It would be nice perhaps if we could ignore all these people, blow it off as ” Oh Well!” Too bad! ~ We are changing the game plan now! and government is not going to be there for you anymore! ~ You can forget about all the unemployment insurance programs you paid into. You can forget about SS, medicare and medicaid ~ Those were all “Socialist Programs” ~ and we not going honor old promises and do that anymore.

            ~ I don’t see this as fair to anyone, I don’t see it as inside any framework of probability. It’s just not going to happen as much as we might think it should.

            This little Tea Party thing would pale in comparison to the “revolt” such a move would create. Just for myself, I got a little over a million dollars from a lifetime of investing in this system, and I’m a small fish!

            So ~ what ever happens, whatever changes that might be made ~ “must” take place slowly. We got to get American’s up off of our knees and get people back to work! First! if some “left” is needed to do this ~ so be it!

            One things seems for sure ~ The private sector has been very slow to rise to the occasion. I do believe in time it will, but we (government) will need to lead with incentives to do so. Repealing NAFTA will be a great start. America need to dance with the people that brought us to the party and quit trying to buy friendship from people that hate us yet are rich in minerals. ~ Let us buy their minerals and let them keep and run their GD country anyway they want too. We are spreading ourselves to thin! Stick with what we know works ~ if only to degrees. ~ You can’t offer any guarantees ~your plans will work, short term or long term. ~ I’m not suggest they won’t ~ I’m suggesting you can’t guarantee they will.

            At 62 I’ve accepted the notion, Good Ideas are a Dime a dozen! It takes a lot of effort to make good ideas work. ~ and bad ideas just take longer.

            Let us quit paying the freight for “Special Interests” as they attempt to position themselves where American’s pay with their money and the blood of our son and daughters as they capitalize, exploit and export American dominion on the rest of the world and hold us random .

            Call that “left” if you want too ~ I call it quit being a “Chump” for special interest.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Bob,
            you say you were in RVN. remember the ‘yards or the mihn??? remember the promises that the government made to them?? Remember the promises the government made to the afghans during the ussr occupation? This government has been making promises to the world as well as their own people for many a decade. What in hells half acre makes you think they are gonna start keeping them NOW??? the only promise that the government has kept under Nobama is the one where he said he would totally change the country and it’s government!!! If he was truly worried about the unemployed, he would do something about our borders and get rid of the illegals by making E-verify permanent and manditory. He would find ways to attract jobs to the U.S. and not “green” jobs that kill two jobs for every one they create! he wouldn’t be trying to pass a bill that is going to a best stagnate the job market for years and at worst bankrupt this country! his drilling moratorium has idled twenty thousand workers so when his jobs created report comes out this month be sure to subtract them from the total!! We that are members of the TEA PARTY want to change this travesty and make ALL politicians understand that they work for US not themselves and they are there at the behest of us, to make things better for us not for themselves only!! Don’t drink the koolade of the libby-progressives and cut the TEA PARTY down!!

          • Bob Wire

            Joe, I have accepted it as a “fact” that people in both the private and public “say and “do” many things that “hide” their true motives, their real “reasons”.

            People say, they want to lose weight! But what they really want is the “effects” of weight loss. To feel better, to look better. The weight loss is only the “means” to an end.

            Such is the case with many things and the true motives are cloudy at best.

            I’m not sure what our government told the South Vietnamese people or their government. But know what they told me. I was told in the soldiers handbook that, I was there to secure the “peace” for a free and public elections. Made sense to me at the time. I was told we were offending resistance to the spread of communism. That too! made sense at the time. That was enough for me at 21, I was a soldier for my country, took the oath and agreed to be one, harboring no political view other then to “serve” my country. Blind loyalties and commitment is required while older wiser statesmen raise the banner and beat the drum.

            It was a place in time , I was but a child ~ that seen no limit to what I could do, knowing few boundaries.

            I am at a new place and a new time today. ~ Not the kid anymore! I’m now the older, wiser one where blind commitments and loyalties not offered near so quickly or easily.

            I’m am very disappointed with the late arrival of this “Tea Party”, finding it’s very timing suspect. You are late to the party! Late with concerns of government spending, late with concerns of future Americans.

            That your Tea Party just happen to arrive on the scene 90 days after the GOP lost it’s bid for office by an “unknown” candidate (of color no less) challenging “special interest” under a banner of reform, I see as “no” coincidence.

            That you appear dishearten and disenfranchised by Rank & File GOP is encouraging news but it’s just too little and way too late! You are the ones that supported the administrations that allowed this debacle to happen in the first place! ~ Now if you could be fooled once by your leaders ~ why not twice? For they are truly masters at hidden true motives. They are a very devious and cleave bunch, willing to go to great lengths achieve their goals. Their failure to win the first chair position show us just how isolated, out of touch and confident they were at the time. ~ Remember them saying ” This election is not about issues but character!

            Well, ~ I guess they learned something.

            Example; Illegal immigration ~ It’s killing us! taxing social programs,school systems, heath care system and keeping labor cost low.

            The public outcry for a solution is deafening. The GOP will tell us they are all for addressing it, the want to correct it. ~ but the truth is , they like things just as the are and want no change.

            They enjoy cheap non-voting labor ~ people that buy and pay consumer and user fees.

            So do what you can to change the “image” of the GOP ~ but until you start addressing the real issues of “influence of special interest”, your but a tiger trying to change it’s strips to someone such as myself.

  • Grandpa

    I have known Sen Graham since the late 80′s and he has never been a supporter of anything that is worth talking about! He is a wishy washy and I use the word “man” loosely and “goes with the flow” just to show his face! He is useless!

  • Eric S

    People who are fed up (no pun intended) are not going to sit back and let all the BS to continue. So then Senator Graham, you too shall see your seat away to some one who will honor the constitution and the people you supposedly represent. The flies will hang around as long as you allow all the manure in the barn. We the people will bear our shovels remove this manure. Have a nice day.

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    smilee,Professional presidental scholars, just like professional whores, only with an eleit taxpayer funded training from a eleit college, and minus the bling, but both can be bought. All scholars operste off of theories and phony facts. FDR kept the recession going for decades with his spending and unionization, Appointed communists to be heads of departments, expanded government work forces several fold. It took 50 years to work out from under his massive government meddling. Any presidental scholar, if someone pays them enough, they will make “facts” or statistics come out any way you want. Ever see a government projection come in under quotes, never will happen, it is always double or quad the orginal “expert scholars” estimations. Since you like Doug’s “off the cuff” comment, we forgot you salivate over the telepromoter Harvard trained Prez, who cann’t even write his own speach. Reagan wrote some of his own speechs and check over every speech he gave and changed the wording to what he wanted stated. Your muslim marxist moron never has written or composed a speech, and will say what ever is written for him.

  • http://1972lenny@live.com larry m.

    mr. bob wire, you are the symbol of ignorance, to slander the tea party movement! so, tell us, mr. wire, who do you think, that stands for the american people and the country??? i know that there are also demoncraps, in the teaparty movement!! who mr. bob????

    • Bob Wire

      You seem to enjoy a term RINO ~ and then boost to me of democratic involved with the tea party ~ I thinking ~ stupid is a two way street.

      Over the years, I too have fell for the GOP pitch line myself. Noble ideology that’s hard to rebuke with any rational mind, grounded in the bedrock of America’s ideas and notions of personal freedoms and self reliance.

      It’s always been ~ the implementation of these ideas where thing goes terribly astray. So forgive me if I’m slow to bite today.

      As I continue to ask about how “special interest” is to be address, “term limits” the only response. That it! just “Term Limits” ~ well that’s not anywhere close to being good enough. That would actually work to special interest benefit. While many seem to think it would bring forward “accountability” of elected officials. Thinking that perhaps special interest and their lobbyist might somehow “just disappear!” I don’t think so!

      So until you “sheep” wake up and realize, just changing the face of the GOP will not bring about the changes in government you saying you want. I see you only as a rogue proxy for the GOP. Little more then an internal hatchet man carrying out orders as you “think” you are some kind of “free agent” carrying a banner of noble ideas.

      Mc Cain was no less different, boasted of being a Maverick, a hot bed of reform ~ He and Ms. Palin were going to clean house! I shouldn’t have to jog your memory, all the while, a cow-tailing to Karl Rove & company. What kind of change would have ever came out of that?

      It’s easy to ~ call our leaders names, brand them in unflattering ways, attack their wife and children with derogatory hateful slurs, Monday morning quarterback their every decision with hindsight. Call them socialist, communist, Marxist, Nazi, stirring resentment, distrust and fear in weaker minds.

      “The Administration is massing Nato Troops inside the US! Danger! Warning! get your guns ~ invest in Ammo and Gold! ~~ damn ! I need that drum of water badly! Have you got change for a Krugerrand? ”

      This “debasing” of government has been the easier part and you have do well with it, I know your are proud of yourselves! (nobody really like government)

      Now how about getting down to business here ~ do the hard work and address the real issues at hand. Markets, unemployment, and the influence of special interest in politics that serves only a few.

      Are you ready to 86 NAFTA? Are you ready for our troops to come home to “no jobs”? Are you ready to discuss immigration in a serious manner?
      Are you really ready to discuss entitlements? Are you sure?

    • Bob Wire

      Larry m writes;”who do you think,(it is) that stands for the american people and the country???”

      Well Larry, WHO? ~I think all party’s are guilty of saying such things! ~ Now if you want to believe that it’s “true” ~ that’s up to you. ~

      I would think for them to say otherwise most “self-defeating”

      As for any “Picture of Ignorance” I think you have just paint us a self portrait with such commentary. While compounding the notion by suggesting my unflattering description of the Tea Party as “slanderous” while we see and wittiness day in and day out “slander” the Tea Party’s primary stock and trade.

      It’s up to you Larry what you wish to believe.

      When “this movement” quit acting like a spoiled lap puppy that growl, snaps and barks at everything and starts talking about serious issues like “influence peddling and revolving door lobbyist with pockets stuffed with money” maybe I too will be inclined to believe them.

      Until then, enjoy your party.

  • http://1972lenny@live.com larry m.

    what did obama do!! slams the american people, bows to the communist, weakens our defense, destroys private business, kissis hugo chevez ass, sells us out to the ragheads, etc, etc. there is more, craps on the constitution, tring to destroy the internet, stock market, gm, banks, craps on the 10th. amendment, still more. great pres!!!!

  • Bob Wire

    Nixon was a very capable president and his list of achievements is very long!

    And he kept his promise ~ so unless you want to go head to head with something you can’t win, speak well of Nixon. He broke under the pressures of the job, while at the Helm.

    everybody got limit my friend. everybody

    Obama’s epithet is yet to be written and any notions what it might be, very premature at this point. Success and Failure hangs in a fine balance, always.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Barb wire,
      you are driving the manure spreader again. Nixon was a bald faced liar!!! When he said he was bringing 50, thousand troops home, he said nothing about the 50,000 he was sending over! when he said there were no ground troops in Cambodia, he was lying through his teeth! My unit was ferrying them in everyday!!! His General Westie was cutting enemy troop strength reports in half and building up the enemy KIA reports to make it look like we were doing better than we were. Nixon knew this and did nothing, all the while causing our men to run into enemy that were stronger and better armed than they expected. a lot of good men got killed by this!!

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  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    So Lindsey Grahamnesty thinks “…..the GOP has moved too far to the right.”?? NONSENSE!! If anything, it’s been the opposite. We have too many RINOs and wimps in the GOP who’ve wandered off the conservative field. And as a result, the GOP suffered big losses in 2006 and 2008. Let’s not forget – Ronald Reagan was a bold outspoken conservative who sounded like one of today’s Tea-Party members. And he won in 2 landslides!!!! On the other hand, we’ve had weak moderates like Gerald Ford, Robert Dole and John McCain – and they all lost to the Democraps!!!! Of course, I cannot think of anyone in today’s Democrap Party who would be more conservative than a moderate Republican in a general election. However, I firmly believe that in all primary elections over the next 6 years and beyond, we should try to defeat all RINOs and pandering wimps like Lindsey Grahamnesty.

  • chuck b

    smilee

    after reading the so called analysis you presented, this group sounds like a far out drug induced would be professors that don’t have a clue. anyone that can read can certainly see thru the fdr myth, that is if you find a history book that hasn’t been revised by the democratic machine. to even place fdr anywhere close to washington, jefferson, reagan is an insult to everyone’s ability to think. fdr was nothing more than a white barry soetoro. prove me wrong!!

  • David

    These elite congressmen/women and senators have forgotten whom they work for and pay their saleries. In November, if the people will really wake up, the employers of these elitest will have a rude awakening. Let us hope and pray that the American people fight,using their vote, to regain their country and their pride and oust these left wing and moderate politicans in November.

    • Bob Wire

      No David, they haven’t forgot who they work for ~ they work for special interest. Why else would they make apologizes to special interest?

      Baton, is just one ~ even Rush show us who his master is. ~

      No news here ~ but by now, I’d think Republican / this movement and independents alike ~ should be able to see it for what it is.

      I’m not sure if it could never be defined and exposed any clearer without a message from God himself.

      The GOP and the true intentions of the Tea Party movement is sympathetic to special interest. Regardless of their claim to the contrary. The Tea Party serves the GOP in many ways, it is cut from the same cloth and serves one master.

      Special Interest and self interest are joined while the rest of Americans are told ~ you are on your own, it’s government that’s the problem, be more self reliant while we bleed you dry and milk what little discretionary spending you might still have from your pockets. Resist any and all changes ! Let us “Special Interest” run your nation.

  • Smilee

    Just your opinion chuckie and very rude of you too!! My opinion is you are totally wrong and to intelligent people like the ones chosen to do this anlysis it is spot on!!!

  • http://GOGGLE vaksal

    the tea party will get my vote this year,personally the tea party may be the last hope of the american people to take back control of way this nation has been mismanaged by the selected few in both parties and then the end result has been that these selected few picked by the upper really really rich,democrats and republicans are the ones we get to vote for,and look at the mess,and the end result is that we have all payed the price,betrayal by the very people we voted for,some choice,its time for every american to vote in new blood,younger people that wish to serve this nation,and not rule it.its funny but when a person has to work hard for a living,that person understands more about what it takes to make things work ,and most of the time have come from both sides,rich and the working people of this nation,the point i am trying to get at we should think more of our wishes than of the wishes of these party,bigmouths that have not been doing the american peoples bussiness,but the bussiness of serving themselfs and those who control them,democrats and republicians that have forgotten who is their real bosses,for they are no more than hired help,am i so stuipid that if i see someone i hire steal from me for 24yrs,i would fire them for being low life crooks,fire the corrupted ones and house train the rest,by not voting for the party incumbents,in both partys,vote for honest men and women,this nation is on its death bed,do to these same old flea bitten dogs,running for office,and looking for the free lunch,and guess what we the american voters own the resturant,and this year,theres no free lunch.so please consider voting for the best person.

    • Bob Wire

      Vote for a Tea Party? ~well okay , it’s your vote to vote. ~ Do you know who is running yet?

  • chuck b

    smilee

    let me make an analysis of the worse president up to now!!
    barry soetoro will be the biggest failure of them all, jimmy carter is a close second, wilson, fdr, lbj, harry truman, that covers the period from 1900 until now. that was easy and they are all democrats.
    republicans: eisenhower and ford. do you see the difference smilee? thats what i have been talking about, you democrats are not totally honest when it comes to admitting your guilt. you don’t know failure when you see it and that group analysis you presented are all liberal psuedo intellectuals and probably have no idea about the people they rated. where did they get the information? current history books that have been totally revised and lacking of any credibility.

  • chuck b

    bob waters

    smilee gets his info from his union who furnishes his retirement. i discount it as pure propaganda. his estimation of intelligence is regulated by ignorance.

    • Smilee

      Chuckie I knew you were to stupid to figure out the truth, this came from a college by scholors and has nothing to do with any union but I guess you are so dishonest you will blame it on any one you hate, shame in you!!

  • Smilee

    Sorry chuckie I will take the word of nonpatian scholors who have extreme intelligence before giving any crediability to your partian and biased opinions which sound vry stupid and lacki any intelligence

  • Bob Wire

    Guy’s they don’t care! you are wasting your time attempting to reach them. They are “Unreachable” ~ They “think” like a riverboat gambler, they size things up from past experiences and count cards. A lots of bluffing and losing as they look for an “easy mark”, someone with less skills they can bluff a bad hand off.

    And today, like yesterday ~ the GOP is holding a losing hand. ~ So what must they do?

    That’s right! Bluff! They attempt to turn everything you “think” you know around. ~

    It was the Democratic’s that won the election ~ But who’s acting like they won?

    It was BP that had an accident in the Gulf ~ but who’s fault was it?

    It was during the final tenure of 43′s administration that the first round of Federal Bail-Outs took place,~ but who gets the credit?

    In eight years under the previous administration only 3 million job was created, who getting the credit? Yep! ~ you’ve got it!

    the American economy has shed 55.4 million jobs since the recession began in the First Quarter of 2008. But at the same time the economy has only added 46.5 million jobs.

    Putting the two together produces the net approximate 8 million jobs lost.

    The stimulus is not working! as they work made sure it won’t!

    I thought your study interesting though, thanks. But I really place little value in such things.

    This is not a popularity contest and we are not on the “Love Boat”.

    It’s easy to be both hated and loved for any man of power and position.

  • chuck b

    smilee

    you read that garbage put out by your union and really believe it, you know what “barnum” said.

    • Smilee

      chuckie

      Not put out by unions but I suppose you have to find a whipping boy when you cannot accept the truth

  • Bob Wire

    You are entitled to your opinion ~ hell, you can buy an Edsel and tell me how much you love it. I’ll take your word for it.

  • http://gmail i41

    smilee, the American people seen what the hell happens, when you put 2 Nobel Prize winners and several eleit scholars, to study a problem and come up with a solution, not a damn thing get done! They are still theorizing on how determine if it is a problem or not. Onumnut is still golfing and vacationing and talking to Allah and Rev. Wrong. These so call intellectual smucks got paid over a million dollars a piece, and produced not one damn thing, they could figure out which end of the color crayon to use to stay in the lines. Another case of money pissed away, but it is only taxpayers hard earned money. As any government agency has only the scholars with degrees and usually several. They cann’t manage a lemenoade stand but give everyone else advice what should be done. after reading yours and ediees, and chicken wire, everyone are liberal socialist democrats and will defend, the muslim marxist and the congential rump ranger democrat liars that all socialists are so enamored with. Everyone knows once a socialist, always a communist democrat forever!

  • Bob Wire

    sorry smilee , I was addressing Bob Waters and his opinions regarding FDR.

    I know he got them from somewhere.

    Monday Morning armchair Quarterbacking is perhaps the easiest job on earth. Not hearing the footsteps and the ground shake as several 300 pounder’s advancing toward you to knock your head off, attempting to preventing a play. It’s easy criticize ~ and maybe even “right”

    FDR had a mess on his hands and “no one” was offering any “Hope” but him.

    A nation without “hope” is all but defeated.

    Why is there such an interest in this “Tea Party” ~ Hope! Hope is what many are reaching out for! and the one’s that’s not ~ it’s just their love for misery, they are the “little Train that Couldn’t” and can never be happy. Fearful people that live on a diet of fear. And that’s sold here as well.

  • Harold Olsen

    I hope the Republican party continues moving right until they are a TRUE conservative party, which is what they claim to be–or used to. These days, they are at best left leaning moderates which is why I am no longer a Republican but an independent. Graham is nothing but a RINO who, like McCain, sides with the Democrats more often than not. I will say this, though, the Tea Party needs to be careful whom they support. Scott Brown, for example, has turned out to be just another John McCain, siding with the Democrats. I feared as much at the time since everything I heard about him was that he had a liberal record. If the Tea Party continues supporting candidates like him, Graham will be right and they will die out.

    • rwnut

      Harold Olson… You are exactly right on every point! I said when Scott Brown was elected,that it really meant nothing until we saw how he voted. I posted on here,when I read that his first meeting was with Kerry and McCain,that he would be a RINO.Before he got to Washington he had already said he would not always vote with the Rep.party.Why didn;t he say that before he was elected? He used the Tea Party for their vote. Any way, it looks like you and I connected the dots on that one.Oh,that’s right,it was just a conspiracy theory!HA!

  • American Citizen

    Moderates, like Humpty Dumpty, are fence sitters. Time to knock them off.

    • Bob Wire

      right! the American way ~ anyone that don’t agree, ~ just knock them off! Down with moderates ! any voice of opposition will not be tolerated!

      Sounds more like 1937 Berlin to me.

      • rwnut

        You’re the one playing the little Hitler here Bob.Guess what? I’ve got a right to vote just like you.Don’t try to tell me that if I don’t think Moderates are good for America,that I don’t have the right to try and vote them out. We have Hussein O.because most people just shut their mouth and voted for the commie Mooslum,black racist because it was coooool. Knockem’off!

  • chuck b

    smilee

    sierra is nothing more than a 2yr community college with most students from low income families. the faculty is as all california schools mostly left wing democrats. to appreciate any kind of analysis made by the current education system anywhere in this country, you would have to be as whacko liberal as they are. so much for your analysis.
    sierra is known for its outreach to minority students. sierra college is located northeast of sacramento near rocklin, ca. so find something a little more credible.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      chuck b,
      there is one. Hillsdale College in Hillsdale Michigan. Used to be from around there and what Rush says about them is true! They are a rarity, a conservative educational unit!!!!

  • http://charter howe

    The Tea Party gets slammed by the NAACP for being racist without any evidence thst it is a racist organization except for a few nutjobs that exist in every level of govt or any organization or group and now RINO Lindsey Graham who is nicker high in amnesty collaboration with the left liberal Schumer, claims the Tea Party is unsustainable without a clear vision for the future. Is he kidding. He says the GOP is moving to far to the right, but actually Graham’s record shows he is to far to the left. Between Graham, McCain, Snowe and Collins, our country has become weaker with these liberal progressives in office representing the conservative base. These four Senators continually break ranks to settle for the scraps that Obama and Reid throw to them. Financial regulation and several other bill have passed with these yard birds vote. They have learned a bad habit from the Dems because they do not always vote for what WE THE PEOPLE want. They are ignoring our message to stop the spend, spend, spend mentality that is bankrupting our country. The recently passed Financial reform bill will cost the taxpayers from 50 to 75 million dollars a year just for a new govt office to oversee the myriad of regulations and laws. This expenditure will be borrowed money from foreigners which will kill more private sector jobs and create higher tax to pay the added interest on trillions of dollars worth of deficit. This is insane.

    • Bob Wire

      Maybe we should just spit on them and tell them we are not racist , we are thrifty, otherwise we’d use a fire hose!

      • rwnut

        Bub War… There you go again,trying to piss on people and persuade them that it’s raining.

  • http://gmail i41

    smilee, your statement of extreme intellegent scholars, they are partisan by the college they are from, since they only deal in theories and b–l s–t plans. Name one damn program, FDR or any democrat ever created, that stayed in budget or did what the experts claimed. Government and eleit college experts are nothing but f–k ups who couldn’t make it or survive in the real world at anything useful. We all see what happens with the muslim, eleit, Havvard theory, dreaming jackass in control, with his degreed lap pooches of marxist democrat party idoits. Of course all nano brained smucks who voted and supported Onumnuts and still do, shows just what bunch of moron who will drink democrat sewage liquid, because it has the socialist democrat label, and once a socialist always a marxist democrat.

  • Charley41

    Come on people.. We have been on the down hill slide for over a hundred yr. Our congress and Senate has let us down as much or more as the Pres.They have all screwed us. Both parties!!

    • Claire

      Charley41–And you are correct in what you have posted.

  • RON

    lET’S FACE IT LINSAY IS AS MUCH A LIBERAL AS THAT SENATOR THE ONE THAT’S GONE FROM pa

  • DANEL

    This Southern boy,Graham should be taken to the woodshed.this poor excuse for a senator in his smooth talking manner,has not only let his party down,his announcement that he would vote for Kagan for the supreme court is just a small reminder of the path this turncoat has run down.He is not able to represent his constituents,because this turncoat has no allegiance to the constitution.get him out in nov.America !!!!!!

  • rwnut

    Another lefty liberal RINO from the same mold as John(teddy) McCain. Leftie Graham will vote any way the wind is blowing on any given day.He has no guts! He’s hoping to gain a little favor from Hussien the Dictator. He has decided conservatism is a lost cause so he’s going over to the other side.He should recall what happened to Arlen Sphincter.Anyone who would vote for or promote that beast Kagan is a left wing,anti-American,commie/socialist,plain and simple! RINO Graham must go!

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