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Taxing My Patience

August 21, 2012 by  

Taxing My Patience
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Let me be clear on this: I still don’t care about Mitt Romney’s tax returns. In fact, I don’t think anyone actually cares about Romney’s tax returns. The idea that the Administration of President Barack Obama would continue to press this non-issue includes what ol’ Bo might call a “teachable moment.” Obama has acquired an eight-figure pile despite his endless rhetoric of class envy — not to mention the fact that he’s never held down a job that could account for such fabulous wealth. And no, sales of his oddly premature — and numerous — memoirs don’t fill the page. But we’re supposed to be appalled by Romney’s conspicuous wealth. Right, Mr. President. We’re supposed to revile a multimillionaire because another multimillionaire told us to. I’m sure we’ll get right on that after we get rid of the biggest stumbling block to the rest of us becoming multimillionaires: you.

The effort to make Romney’s returns an issue is transparent political gamesmanship — nothing more. Democrats nationwide continue clamoring for a peek, stating that Romney must be hiding some crime. Meanwhile, they are magnificently ignoring their own insistence that Attorney General Eric Holder and his boss are surely blameless in the death of border agent Brian Terry, that the so-called “Occupiers” are a peaceful bunch, and that Mark Rezko and Jon Corzine (among other Obama bundler cronies) are figments of our collective imagination. In the world of Democrats, the presumption of innocence extends only as far as the union thugs can hurl it. Blatantly obvious attempts to distract the electorate from Obama’s abysmal performance clearly represent the sum total of Obama’s re-election effort.

Hence, the manufactured kerfuffle over Romney’s tax returns. I suppose this latest nonsense is a step up from the attacks on Ann Romney and her multiple sclerosis therapy — as if that’s an improvement. But even liberal mouthpiece Lester Holt openly wondered on MSNBC whether the tax return strategy has “jumped the shark.” When a talking head on an outlet dedicated to spreading liberal disinformation steps off the talking points, trouble is closer than the objects in the Chevy Volt’s rearview mirror.

Actually, trouble is riding shotgun and, considering the flammable nature of the Volt, that’s serious. The selection of Paul Ryan as Romney’s running mate staggered the Obama team. Simultaneously, the man Ryan will soon replace — Vice President Joe Biden — appears to be suffering from some sort of psychic meltdown, replacing his usual racist non sequiturs with — well — racist non sequiturs. A reported offer to former Obama enemy and current Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to replace Biden was rejected like Jay Carney going in for a layup against Lebron James.

Obama is up against a challenger who plays conservative as a matter of convenience, and Obama’s own house is in such disarray that he’s losing. Under Obama’s lack of leadership, the economy is in shambles. Meanwhile, Obama and his Madame Chiang, first lady Michelle Obama, continue to live like pharaohs amid their multimillionaire Hollywood and Wall Street cronies. The Obama Presidency has been defined by scandal, including the aforementioned Operation Fast and Furious cover-up, the General Motors implosion and the Solyndra boondoggle.

The Obama campaign’s response involves shrieking about Romney’s taxes. Romney’s fortune features nine figures to the left of the decimal point. Obama’s has a solid eight. Romney gives close to 15 percent of his prodigious income to charity. Obama offers less than 2 percent. And he wants me to suspect Romney of malfeasance based on his wealth. At least Romney can find his wallet when it comes to helping people without a government bureaucrat’s involvement. That’s not a reason to vote for Romney, but it doesn’t make me like Obama any more.

Some Democrats believe that keeping the discussion about Romney and his tax returns alive hurts Romney because it keeps him on the defensive. If that’s true, then Obama is in even more trouble than I thought. According to the most recent polling, Obama has fallen behind Romney. Ryan’s presence — combined with Obama’s failure to untether himself from Biden and a corporate press corps that’s beginning to show signs of wandering off the Obama reservation — may well leave Obama a man without a proverbial country come November.

–Ben Crystal

Ben Crystal

is a 1993 graduate of Davidson College and has burned the better part of the last two decades getting over the damage done by modern-day higher education. He now lives in Savannah, Ga., where he has hosted an award-winning radio talk show and been featured as a political analyst for television. Currently a principal at Saltymoss Productions—a media company specializing in concept television and campaign production, speechwriting and media strategy—Ben has written numerous articles on the subjects of municipal authoritarianism, the economic fallacy of sin taxes and analyses of congressional abuses of power.

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  • Warrior

    Mayor “tiny dancer”, who by the way is oblama’s co-director of some reelection committee, was asked by a reporter yesterday to define who the middle class is. Well, rahmmy couldn’t define the middle class and deferred to “economists” to define who the middle class is. Hmmmm, I wonder rahm, I hear all this rhetoric about saving the middle class from you and your “boss” but you can’t even define who it is you’re saving?

    I’ll give you a clue rahm, you’re trying to save your patronage worker gubmint class. And now folks you know what the big f-ing “deal” is about oblama care. Taking over another industry, alot bigger than the auto industry I might add, and creating the largest patronage system in the entire world. Potentially, it would keep the progressives in office for the next 100 years.

    How’s “utopia” working for ya’ll, comrades!

    • Robert Smith

      It ain’t as dumb as the “birther” thing.

      Can anyone honestly say that wasn’t a political ploy?

      Rob

      • Doc Sarvis

        Robert Smith,
        Perfect analogy.

      • Jon Walser

        When I first heard of the lack of birth documentation I rejected the thought…who would even try to be elected whithout the very basic qualification? Then I heard of Obama spending millions, MILLIONS, to keep such things under wraps!! Obama convinced me there is something wrong with his records, no-one else. While a dedicated Libertarian MIGHT do something like that, he’d certainly explain the principle involved. Obama has no such principle to explain. The ONLY rational explaination was that the records contained disqualifying information that we, the electorate, deserved to have.

        You’re distainful refererence to “birthers” is insulting, and goes no further to actually answering the question than has Obama’s display of an obvious forgery.

      • Doc Sarvis

        President Obama may have some large legal defense fund just like every other President and even Presidential Candidate (ask John Edwards). It is a contingency fund. I see no proof that President Obama has spent a warchest (or anything for that matter) to hide his birth certificate – in fact he provided it collaborating what other friends, family, and HI officials/medical staff said about his American birth.

      • deerinwater

        “Then I heard of Obama spending millions, MILLIONS, to keep such things under wraps!!”

        And where did you hear that pray tell? Some right-wing blog or False News?

        Any duly elected President inherits a regiment of staff, from White House operations, meal preparations, lawn care, White house security, body security, family security, etc. This comes with attorneys and their staff. The President does not pay personally for any of this my friend, we the people do.

        For matters of security, the Presidential Security team find their job made easier to preform by restricting access of certain material that could or might be used to inflict unnecessary duress or harm to the first family while in “office” with motions all their own.

        But since I’m talking to a telephone pole, I feel certain my time is wasted with any attempting to explain anything. I do have more important matters to address and leave you to yourselves, ~ a most fitting punishment.

      • Aristophanes

        Thank you Robert. I am proud to be called a “birther”. It shows I have intelligence since I am not accepting obozo’s word and want proof!! I also question all the money he has spent HIDING his records. But, I do not expect a liberal to understand that, it would take a brain that is capable of thinking for oneself which liberals do not have. But, Robert and all you other liberals, keep on burying your heads in obozo’s a**, you make it so much easier for conservatives to take our country back!!

      • carrobin

        Can’t believe some people are still harping on the “birther” thing. Honestly, if there were anything to that rumor, Hillary & Bill would have uncovered it by 2006.

        As for Romney’s taxes, it’s obvious that he knows he wouldn’t be elected if he released them. Otherwise, he’d release them–just as Obama released his birth certificate.

      • http://yahoo.com hangman

        The ‘birther’ thing is a matter of National security, as we , at trhe moment, have an illegal in the white house, and should be in prison instead.

      • Peter Sagi

        Wrong! Obummer refused for years to produce a legit birth cert to prove where he was born, that alone leaves all sorts of doubt. When one was produced, it was, if you follow real news on the web as opposed to lamestream media nonsense, exposed as a forgery. Alex Jones exposed that, numerous others, and Sheriff Joe Arpaio in Arizona as well. You buy the lamestream media? He is what else they still say … that Oswald acting alone shot JFK, that they just can’t seem to find JFK’s brains, nor the original footage of the lunar landing, nor anything else not convenient to the party line. But they can and did find the magic passport that fell from the sky on 9-11 from a hijacker’s pocket that just so happened to land in some FBI guys hand. But they couldn’t find the black boxes. I could go on and on. Obama is NOT lawfully qualified to hold the office that he has obtained by fraud.

        As far as the RomNut’s tax returns … all that tells me is that he is stupid enough to be a taxpayer or finds it to his advantage to be one. Most people simply have no understanding whatsoever of the tax system. The income tax is a tax on privilege only measured by income or net profit, from the privileged, taxable activity. There are a handful of legitimately privileged activities, but, mostly what happens is an individual will MAKE an activity privileged thru the use of a taxpayer ID number such as a socialist slavestate number where none is actually required by law. Use of that number generates a powerful presumption of tax liability incurred. Try to not use that number and you are in for a fight in most places, but, a corporate taxpayer ID can be used as a buffer. And that brings me to my last point … I will vote for the first candidate that tells the truth about socialistic insecurity, use of socialist slavestate numbers, and the income tax. As for the rest … either they are in the know and remaining silent, making them criminal accessories to the fraud, or, they are not in the know, which makes them guilty of stupidity tantamount to criminal negligence considering the office they hold.

        Pete

      • 45caliber

        deer:

        The last report I saw shows that Oblama has hired three different law firms to fight any challenges to his birth records. One firm alone (the one that fights the lady lawyer in CA who keeps challenging this) has been paid over $1.4 million since he started running for the Presidency. I don’t know what the other two have been paid. It is all on internet is you search the right places.

        Actually, I don’t think HE knows where he was born. He assumed it was HI and said it was but no birth certificate could be found other than the certificate of live birth – which isn’t a birth certificate. His early history has been so muddled that I’m not sure if anyone can prove anything – but he is desperate to insure no one does find out since he isn’t sure.

        It will be interesting to see if anyone can find out after he leaves office – whether this year or in four more years – and the info is no longer guarded. I doubt if it will change anything but it will be interesting to see.

      • JeffH

        $20,000 reward for Obama’s college transcripts.

        If you can dig up Barack Obama’s College transcripts, it’s worth a cool $20K to you. It’s the capitalistic version of “spread the wealth,” which simply means you provide a service, hard work or information in exchange for something else. No government involvement necessary.

      • Bruce

        I say Mitt should submit them the day after Obama submits his college files and his last 10 yrs of tax records.

      • TerriG

        The fact is that Obama was born in Hawaii, and he has provided proof of that. The State of Hawaii has confirmed it – repeatedly. The only people that still don’t believe are deliberately ignoring facts. As for his school records, they are not public and you, therefor have no right to them. That, also, means that there is no reason to seal them. Vital records in Hawaii are not public records for 75 years. That means thare there is no reason to seal those, eitherr. Grow up, people. Stop beliving everything negative abjust because you don’t like him. That’s childish and short sighted.

        • Jon Walser

          A demonstrable forgery is NOT proof. What the Usurper has provided to the American public would get me thrown in jail. And yes, I have had to provide a REAL hard-copy certified birth certificate many times, the most recent was to get a passport, but others included getting a driver’s licence and going to college.

        • http://personalliberty.com/2012/08/21/taxing-my-patience/?eiid= LOUIS CERVONE

          Terri,
          I may have not been understood about my feeling regarding Obama. I like the guy. And if he lived next door, I probably would have him over for a beer.
          .
          What I do not like is that he is a socialist.
          He believes government is the solution, while government is the problem.
          He believes taxing wealthy will make the poor happy.
          He believes the reditribution of wealth from those who make it to those who did not is good.
          Socialism is all about equality; making everyone equally poor.

      • s c

        A better example of a ‘ploy’ would be in the idea that so many of Obummer’s mindless robots have never seen a fricking tax return because their arses belong to Uncle Scam, comrade ‘r.’ In the real world that’s what is known as BUYING VOTES. ‘Some’ folks are simply too damned DUMB to understand that concept. Just another prime example of a certain party’s philosophical and economic “compassion.”
        So when do people like you get tired of letting others live off your efforts to have a chance at life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? Yo pants be down on the ground again, comrade. Don’t you get tired of your arse hanging out in public? Then again, maybe you like it. Yet another example of the Big Tent Syndrome.

    • 45caliber

      Warrior:

      One of the main reasons for Oblamacare is that it reduces doctors’ pay. At present, doctors are about the only people who can afford to run for an office against a lawyer. Lawyers don’t consider that fair – particularly since doctors also refuse to vote the party line. Ron Paul is only one example of it. They have been trying to prevent doctors from running for office for years. Indeed, there is a bill in Washington (and has been for at least a decade) to deny doctors from running since their Hypocratic Oath says they should serve the public. (And a politician doesn’t, of course.) This would lower a doctor’s pay enough that they couldn’t afford to run any more. In fact, if my daughter-in-law is correct (she is a nurse), the doctors’ pay would be less than the nurses’ pay.

      • Warrior

        And I might add, 45, that doctors wouldn’t make good “union” members, just as lawyers don’t. What does that say?.

      • deerinwater

        Nothing other then truly educated people have the ability to assimilate facts and make decisions on their own without the need for outside help. And if they are compromising, at least they know it when they do.

      • 45caliber

        deer: But you want help from someone else who is qualified to help. Some government clerk is scarcely qualified to do anything except file forms or type a letter.

        • http://personalliberty.com/2012/08/21/taxing-my-patience/?eiid= LOUIS CERVONE

          Aside from the fact that I am a far right wing nut, with all you have stated, how can anyone want to continue with Obama? If my Mother was President, I would vote her out. And we thought Jimmy Carter was bad…..

    • JC

      Romney should agree to make his tax returns public if Obama will provide his complete school records, a legitimate birth certificate, an explanation for the 5 – SS numbers, an explanation for taking loans as a foreign student, and divulge under who’s passport he flew into Pakistan when it was on the US no fly list.

      That oughta shut the imposter in cheif right the F#*! Up! :)

    • RFP

      Why is it that the years Obama went through college, no classmates of his know who he is?
      Is this man the true Manchurian Candidate?

  • JimH

    The Obama campaigne add reminds us tha Romney paid 14% on 20 million. What’s missing from that add is what % Obama paid that year.
    The sheeple that whould be persuaded by that add wouldn’t “think” to ask that question.
    Romney at 14% paid 2.8 million in federal taxes.(not including state and local) Please define “fair share” to me.
    Those returns show what he gave to charity.(tax deductable) That means a charity got it, he didn’t. The charity put it to much better use that Peosi or Ried.

    • deerinwater

      So clearly, at 14% this particular wealthy American is not being over taxed as many claim that they are. I pay much more then that and I’m just a plumber.

      Would you say that is a fair statement?

      If you want to know what Obama paid in taxes, you only need to ask.

      http://www.barackobama.com/tax-returns/

      • JimH

        So Deer in headlights, You paid more than 2.8 mil. in taxes?
        My point is in the add why doesn’t Obama compare what his % rate was compared to his opponent. Unless I make an extra effort to find out, he won’t tell me. The people his add was aimed at certainly won’t look either.
        Why doesn’t Obama say that since it’s so unfair that Mitt only paid 14% and you paid more, we should lower the % the middle class pays to make it fair.
        No we want to raise theirs up to yours, not LOWER yours down to theirs.

      • JimH

        Ad not add, sorry spelling police.

      • eddie47d

        If Obama can release his tax returns for the last ten years which was demanded by Republicans then Romney can release his past 10 years. Now Obama and Romney have a right to the money they earned if they indeed earned it. The problem is that Romney has too many foreign accounts which makes it very easy to hide what he really should be paying on. There is a difference in buying foreign stocks to make money versus placing your money into off shore accounts to avoid your American obligation. I have heard on numerous occassions here that anyone who doesn’t like America should feel free to move to Cuba. Well Mr Romney since you favor Swiss banks more than American banks then maybe you ought to move there. The big issue with Romney is his companies outsourcing and foreign deposits and that is a legitimate request to know the facts.

      • JimH

        I would like to see someone propose lowering mine down to his. I know that it WON’T be Obama.
        Both candidates could propose it, but it would have to go through Congress, so I don’t have much hope.
        I would just like to be there if someone did ask Obama if lowering ours down to Mitts rate to make things more “fair” was what he was talking about. The look on his face would be a Kodak moment.
        I doubt his mind could even wrap around that idea.
        What Mitt wants,first he needs to win, then he could “ask” Congress to do it. By time the House and Senate got done with it,you wouldn’t even recognize it as what the President(either one) proposed.
        Mitts tax records and Obama’s college transcripts, all of it, open it up.
        I think before Mitt gives the Obama campaign every thing they want, he should get something back from them in return.
        Wouldn’t YOU like to know more about whats on the Obama transcripts he is paying alot to cover up. Just as I should want to know more about the Romney tax plan?

      • dan luster

        The current top marginal capital gains tax rate is 15%. If you as a plumber save income it is done after you paid income and withholdong taxes, the money you earn on the growth of your nest-egg will be taxed again. This is the capital gains tax. When you and your president get their way, capital gains rates will more than double on the Romneys of America. If that happens, GDP growth in this country will resemble a batting average, which coincidentally is the average IQ of an Obama supporter.

      • deerinwater

        Dan says;”This is the capital gains tax. When you and your president get their way, capital gains rates will more than double on the Romneys of America. If that happens, GDP growth in this country will resemble a batting average, which coincidentally is the average IQ of an Obama supporter.”

        I say; at 175, I am good! and obviously , Dan doesn’t know what he is talking about on several levels. this fact has not eluded me, has it to the rest of you?

        • dan luster

          Hey genius, batting averages have a decimal point in front of the numbers. That would mean your IQ is actually .175.

    • Karolyn

      The Obamas paid around 26% in 2010 according to this link. People need to get their facts straight before opening their mouths.
      http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/04/18/how-much-did-president-obama-and-first-lady-pay-taxes-last-year

      they also gave 14% to charity.

      • JimH

        Hi Karolyn, If that link is true, wouldn’t a campaigne ad comparing his tax return to Romney’s be better than comparing it to what Mitts secretary paid? Just wondering.
        Like I said I believe it should be more equal.
        Lower my tax rate DOWN to what Mitt pays, not the other way around.(like that will ever happen) I get no benefit by his going up.

      • deerinwater

        “Lower my tax rate DOWN to what Mitt pays, not the other way around.(like that will ever happen) I get no benefit by his going up.”

        It’s it amazing what just a little knowledge can do? Now that you “know” and form your argument, wouldn’t you really like to know more?

        That is all that we are asking for, “To know more” about matters of what is seen as being very important to all Americans and attempt to nail down Mitt Romny’s understanding of equality and sense of fairness if it is his plan to apply it to us.

        Ben Crystal’s argument does not hold water when you apply logical thinking. Ben is depending on and playing to your emotions to win an un-winnable argument.

      • JimH

        Deer, Please look above Karolyn says:
        My reply went to the wrong spot.

    • nc

      JimH, so Romney pays the going rate after every tax break a rich man can afford to pay to get! Why his 10 year records are important to a lot of citizens is ,if elected, he pushes the Ryan plan to end all capial gains taxes! Are Americans not entitled to know how much their President would personally benefit from his tax plan for all Americans??? I may be wrong but I believe I read that capital gains make up as much as 65% of the richest’s income and he is going to further reduce their taxes that much more? The last polls I saw over 50% of Americans think they should pay more not less!
      If asked at the debates how much his tax plan would benefit him personally will an answer of “IT’S NONE OF AMERICA’S BUSINESS” cost him the White House?? or will he see the light and release the forms before the question arises?

      • Warrior

        Does the 50% that are collecting gubmint benefits believe the other 50% should pay more taxes? Who conducted the poll you’re referring to and who did they poll? I for one would like to see this.

      • JimH

        nc, the Obama campaign wants Romney to release all his tax returns. Should ones opponents set the pace of the campaign?
        I would be interested in what is in those tax returns too.
        I would also be interested in what is in the Obama college transcripts that he has spent a small fortune to keep covered up.I would like to see it all released and have Romney insist that Obama brings something to the table in exchange for Romney’s documents.
        Open it ALL up.
        Romney shouldn’t just cave in to his opponants bullying, he needs to stand his ground and get something in return.

  • Deerinwater

    I have no idea of any “Utopia” but I do understand that Mitt is asking for each voting American to vote for him under the pretext that America’s economic future requires someone with his capabilities and skills in business and managing budgets.

    While it does appear that he does possess such skills, Americans have been fooled before by cleaver men such as Bernie Madeoff and many others that went for years cloaking the true nature of their economic success.

    I would say to Ben Crystal, ~ maybe he is right about some people being ingeniousness about some peoples motives to know more about Mitt Romney and his success but clearly it should be a valid concern to every voter that has a sincere interest in the future of America and her peoples.

    • Brad in TX

      Deer a bet you voted for Obama and are probably going to vote for him again, When will you ask these same questions of your King? I bet there are so many truths about Obama it will even blow your mind once we all know how we have been screwed by this man and his America hating wife.

      • Tim L.

        Brad, you never shy away from guzzling all of the Koolaid do you?

      • deerinwater

        Well Brad, you can thank Palin or McCain for my Obama vote and I’ve not been disappointed with my selection to date.

        But finding so few Americans that are actually willing to stand behind their convictions while at the same time they demanding that their politicians do, I feel it is Ron Paul that needs my support come November and not Obama.

        But this is a side issue and fails to address Ben Crystal’s posting, suggesting that asking for more financial disclosure on the part of Mitt Romney ~ is just too much to ask for while Mitt is asking us Americans to vote for him depending sole on peoples desired to behave as sheep and vote a party line ticket like they might have a nose ring installed or just be “stump broke”.

      • deerinwater

        And for the record Brad, Obama has forthcoming with all germane matters of importance and concerns. That you fail to agree is something myself and the Obama administration is prepared to live with.

        And for the record, the title is “President” , the same title Mitt Romney seeks.

      • Mike in MI

        I’d like to make the suggestion, regarding all this stuff above, that everybody make a legitimate effort to go see and evaluate Dinesh D’Souza’s movie “2016″. Then, come back and talk.

      • JeffH

        Mike in MI, :) I’m looking forward to seeing the movie too. I’m sure we’ve been privy to learn most of the info but I’m looking forward to see the depth of the substance.

  • Paul Doumer

    “… May leave Obama a man without a country ” but, … He always has been “a man without a country.”

    • Chester

      Paul, are you willing to place yourself in that same boat? Actually, it is rather simple to become what you claim Obama is, a man without a country, and no, suicide is NOT the answer. I suppose if the doctor who delivered Obama were to walk up to you and swear on a stack of bibles that he WAS born IN Hawaii, you would call him a lying SOB as well. You have already called the governor of Hawaii that, along with all the staff where all birth records are kept, so it would not surprise me at all for you to go the next step.

      • John Woodbury

        All this birth place is just smoke to hide the real problem; he is an Indonesian citizen. He was one when his step-father had him made one so he could go to school there. Did he ever reaffirm his American citizenship, by age 21? That is the 64,000 dollar question.

  • Nate. Goldstein

    Taxing my patience…..I love this…
    Obama has more than taxed my patience with his not setting foot in Israel, but visiting Arab & Muslim countries,not opening up his BIRTH, EL/HI/ & COLLEGE RECORDS, & TAKING MONTHS TO HAVE A FABRICATED BIRTH CERTICATE PRODUCED.
    It’s time to make THE MOVIE” 2016 THE MOVIE” PUBLIC & PLAYABLE TO EVERY THEATRE THROUGHOUT OUR GREAT NATION.
    Take a deep breath & pray.

    • Daveh234

      2016 is written and narrated by a politically right wing supporter. To claim it is totally correct and legitimate is stupid in itself. It couldn’t be more biased. Not based on facts but innuendo and based on false statements and opinions which aren’t questioned for correctness.
      Seen it and was what I suspected, BS.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Are you saying that Conservatives and Libertarians have no Freedom of Speech because you consider them right wingers?

      • Aristophanes

        daveh- typical liberal tripe. Because this movie was made by someone you believe is liberal, it is biased and false? How about “Runaway Slave”? But, anything michael moore does is true and unbiased? Wow, your definition of reality is loaded with kool-aid. This is so typical of liberals – freedom of speech is okay as long as you agree with me. You liberals could really be a joke and I hope someday, you are.

      • Aristophanes

        Sorry, meant to say “conservative”, not liberal.

      • Aristophanes

        oops. Conservative is in reference to person who made the movie, not to daveh, et al.

        • http://personalliberty.com/2012/08/21/taxing-my-patience/?eiid= LOUIS CERVONE

          Nothing is totally correct all the time.
          Do you want another 4 years of out of control spending we get from China or a change of direction from socialism redistribution of income?
          Today 1/3 rd – 100 million+ of American are receiving a welfare benefit from us, the tax payers. This EXCLUDES social security, medicare, and government pensions which they all put into. About 49% pay no taxes. In total over 51% are receiving a check of some form from the government.
          “The problem with socialism is that at some point you will run out of someone else’s money.”Margrett Thatcher.

      • Mike in MI

        Dave 234 -
        He, D’Souza, says he did it because the left wing press neglected to do it, refused to do it and are afraid (for their jobs or lives?) to do it. The right wing/conservative press have, likewise, not followed up to ferret out the information D’Souza sought and found and is reporting.
        So what if it’s right-wing biased? MSNBC isn’t a levorotatory element of our society? So, you think only the left ought to be allowed to investigate and report? (I bet some day we find out they did do it (or started) and lost their jobs or the work was suppressed.)

        Of course, there is the matter that Obama and his dysfunctional functionaries have done so much wrong, stupid, incomprehensible and indefensible that it has spawned a torrent of footnoted, documented and verifiable reportage which, if they aren’t true, would certainly be generating court actions for slander out the wazoo for the rest of time.
        Since you leftists probably don’t think or don’t know that anything negative could ever be found about the object of your idolatry look up authors Michelle Malkin, David Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham and their compilations of Obama’s transgressions – just for starters.

        You may want to have a psychiatrist on stand-by to handle your PTSD.

  • Howard_75

    Someone from the Obama campaign offered to quit nagging about Romney’s returns if he would release five years of returns. Of course, this is an obvious ploy to pick apart the returns and distort or use items that are legal against Romney. There is nothing illegal in having Swiss bank accounts or accounts in the Cayman Islands. Romney is correct in rejecting the offers. But how about this as a counteroffer? Romney will release one year of Obama’s choice of tax returns for one of Obama’s sealed college and admission records of Romney’s choice, The “Fast and Furious” documents requested by Representative Issa and his committee are not exempt from the list of documents to be released.

    • Norm

      If there’s nothing to hide, there’s nothing to pick apart.
      If a person making 23 mil./ year can get by legally paying 14%, we need to take a good look at the tax code.

      • JimH

        Norm, Your right, get mine down to 14% too. Then we’ll be more equal.

      • Winddrinker

        Norm, a huge backer and friend of obumscum, General Electric, pays NO taxes on their immense profits….

        If GE would pay 14%, and all other obumscum’s supporters would 14%, there would be a few more dollars in the government koffers. Lets start by having a flat tax, everyone paying the same, and it would be “FAIR” and no one could complain…not even you malcontents on this blog.

        Frankly Romney’s tax returns are audited by the IRS and if they are happy, all you buttheads should “butt out.” It is a “NON-ISSUE” as piglosi would say.

    • eddie47d

      Foreign accounts always send up red flags in what a person is hiding so that is a legitimate concern. There are dozens of African dictators and those from other countries who hide millions and even billions in Swiss accounts. While these unscrupulous leaders shuffle their nations money out of the country their people languish in poverty. Considering that Romney made like $92 million over the takeover of one bankrupt company he is very suspect in how he got away with it. Saying it is legal hardly makes it right and I would say it is downright disingenuous. We as a nation have been gamed and he is one of those moneyed leaders who have taken advantage of our system. No different than those Hedge Fund managers on Wall Street who directly squashed our economy and made billions off those losses.

      • Mike in MI

        eddie -
        Like Ben indicated, what about Obamas millions?
        What I want to know is how in the hell does a “community organizer” generate tens of millions of dollars? When did it start to grow to such proportions? What was his service or what products did he make and move in south side Chicago? Was he doing some of te things we’ve seen depicted by undercover reporters seeking “assistance” from ACORN offices? Is he just a glorified pimp – “President Pimp, the ghetto conman”?

      • eddie47d

        Obama is not worth ten’s of millions. (Boneheaded lie Mike) Probably less than 10 million and he received about 4 1/2 million off those 2 books. Plus $450 thousand per year salary equals about 1 million eight hundred thousand.

    • Daveh234

      The ploy is coming from Romney and his wife. “They’ll just use something to make us look bad”. Or some such comment doesn’t cut it.
      If anyone has taken things out of context and used it to make others look bad have come from the Romney campaign throughout the primary debates and through this RNC Convention.
      It’s all attack all the time.
      Don’t believe Romney when he cries the blues over his treatment. He’s changed his mind so much to make everyone love him that he has lost his will to be real.

      • Mike in MI

        Oh, but they’re such wonderful and vulnerable targets!!

      • Mike in MI

        Belay the above post I put in. Somehow it ended up in the wrong place.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      So the Leftists only want to see 5 years worth of tax returns and when they are given those it won’t satisfy them and then they will go for some more years. This can go on till doomsday and the Leftists will not be satisfied so this tells you that this has nothing to do with tax returns. This is a manipulative distraction to derail Romney. If he allows this game by childish brats to continue he is a weakling.

      • http://dlee4144.wordpress.com dlee4144

        Yes, it’s an attempt by the left to focus attention on an area where Romney is not giving an adequate answer to the objective viewer. This is because he is being hurt by the failure to release the returns, and must have made the calculation that whatever is in the returns would hurt him worse. Given that situation, even his most ardent supporter must be a bit concerned about exactly what he is hiding, and when it will come out and have to be dealt with.

      • Mike in MI

        Nadzieja – “This is nothing but a manipulative distraction to derail Romney” -
        I tend to think they are far more concerned people might think about every thing Obama has done to make America look terrible on the world stage, to get our soldiers killed, ignore and defund their VA needs, make them feel worthless to encourage suicide, waste their money, bankrupt us, throw so much money at only their donor friends, vastly inrease poverty in America, demean and degrade the condition of our minority races and, last I can quickly think of, put The Divided States of America so deeply in debt we’ll never even be able to keep up the annual interest payments on the national debt (that day is not so far away).

      • Winddrinker

        Nadzieja, this tax request is ALL the demonrats have got!

        They can’t find any dirt on Romney or they would be using something else other than a request for tax returns.

        They tried calling Romney a “KILLER” and that backfired on them and created a “firestorm” of outrage from the public and both parties. They tried calling Romney a “felon” and that didn’t go anywhere.

        Personally, I think obumscum should be held to the same standard as every other presidential candidate and should be made to release all HIS records, his passport, his citizenship papers, his application for American citizenship (as he was a muslim living and going to school in Indonesia) his college transcripts, his applications for Occidental, Columbia and Harvard! What does the bum have to HIDE!

        How did he pay the tuition for these elite institutions? How did he travel to Pakistan when Americans were not allowed to go there? Lets find out why he has used multiple social securitiy numbers (there being estimates of 15-80 different ones connected to him.)
        Let him explain and answer all the questions that the electorate would like to know..

        After obumscum has become TOTALLY TRANSPARENT, and has answered all the questions of the electorate, to their satisfaction…then, the bum can ask for a little transparency from someone else.

        By the way, all you demonrats, and republican malcontents, Romney has complied with what the Law requires, unlike obumscum…so, back off!

      • eddie47d

        Nadzieja Is that all you got and the rest of you are making excuses, not revealing facts. Obama has over 10 years posted on the Net yet you keep covering for Romney. Oh yes another leftist plot! LOL! LOL! Sure is odd that the right has accused the Clinton’s of hiding dead bodies and some have accused Obama too. Get over your petty assumptions because you are striking out! Your slander makes the left look like choir boys and girls.

      • Mike in MI

        No, eddy – Oblama-lama-ding-dong is an excuse, a poor one at that.
        Everything the rest of us brought up are i-s-s-u-e-s: things that are on our hearts that we want spoken to and undressed and redressed – as in grievances. These are the things Obama knows he has no excuses for that are of paramount importance to results oriented Americans. Maybe, since you seem to have a silver government spoon in your wazoo – unlike normal people who live real lives and have deepening needs – such mundane matters don’t scathe your callous approach to us humans around you…whatever you are.
        You know, if you were a river you’d be aptly named because you’re just like a murky backwater that goes round and round and round.

  • Jim B

    It is pathetic to say the least. The man paid 14 million in taxes and it’s not enough, and nearly twice that in charity donations, still not enough! Romney is rich, he Earned a lot of money working for a living and that’s what Obama and his minions just can’t grasp. This makes Obama look like a fool, why he can’t perceive this is beyond me, perhaps his 5.5 trillion dollar increase in government spending is not important enough to defend, perhaps his Government Motors 52 billion dollar loss, Solyndra, and countless other boondoggles can’t be defended so this is it, this is all he’s got, a couple of straw men, a rich guys tax return, and Joe Biden. Unfortunately for nearly 50% of America, that’s is all it will take, and that is what we need to be fearful of, and prepare for. Once we go from Americal the land of the free, to Serfdom their wil lbe no turning back.

  • boyscout

    I think most are missing the obvious ploy of this dirty (hey, it’s American politics) tactic. Percentage of taxes paid is not the issue; the estimate of gross wealth is. Dems want Mittens portrayed as an out of touch with the masses elitist. Anyone think it’s not working ?

    • boyscout

      Oh. Ben “doesn’t care”, but then I would not put Ben in the same class as those masses. Unfortunately, those folks are still very much concerned with the color of the Mike and Ike that they will choose.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        What did you just babble?

      • boyscout

        Nad, Mike and Ike is kid’s candy that comes in different colors and each piece tastes exactly the same because the only difference is the color. Like Oramabamny. There’s no damn consequential difference. What are you missing here ?

  • Norm

    I’m very interested in Romney’s tax returns for several reasons.
    1. Why is a person clearly in the 35% tax bracket allowed to get away with paying 14% (lower than the Cap.Gains rate)?
    2. Why are people in far, far lower income brackets, including myself, paying at higher rates.
    3. What about these alleged foreign tax shelters and bank accounts that average people don’t have?
    4. Why is a person running for the highest position of trust in the US refusing to be honest and transparent on his federal tax returns.
    5. Why does a self proclaimed “patriot” of extraordinary means hate supporting his country.
    If Romney has nothing to hide then why not just be open an honest?

    • Jon Walser

      “If Romney has nothing to hide then why not just be open an honest?”
      if Obama has nothing to hide, then why not just be open and honest?

      Something about pots and kettles, or a goose and a gander comes to mind….can’t quite recall…

      • Norm

        The Obama’s have ten years of taxes available on line.

        • Jon Walser

          Sure Norm, ignore the obvious…’tisn’t Obama’s tax returns that are being hidden, just who and what he is…from birth to his arrival on the scene in Chicago.

          Duh.

          • http://personalliberty.com/2012/08/21/taxing-my-patience/?eiid= LOUIS CERVONE

            I do not really care where Obama was born. I do care about where he lives today. November is coming. Let’s cahnget back.

    • James

      I’m with Norm on this–it’s very disturbing! And I’ve been voting Republican for decades! Very unsettling and suspicious!

      • Ted G

        The only thing suspicious about it is who is making the speculations. This is nothing but a deliberate distraction people. A none issue, and only sycophants think it is.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Of course you “care” about Romney’s tax returns simply because you are told to make an issue of them by your handlers. Who would you have to be envious of?

    • Winddrinker

      Norm, do you think the IRS missed something on Romneys tax returns and you can do a better job?

      Believe it, if anyone’s returns have been gone over with a fine-tooth-comb, it will be Romney’s return….

      So, back off..Dude

  • http://personalliberty.com/2012/08/21/taxing-my-patience/?eiid= LOUIS CERVONE

    Let’s back up for us in the “Constitution Party”. Under the 4th Amendment in the Bill of Rights, where does it say any government has the right to know what I make, how I spend it, who I donate to, or how much, or grant tax breaks or punichments to manipulate the economy?
    The government has a right to tax in order to provide for the “General Welfare”, not welfare private, public, farm, or business. . But let’s get away from income and have a flat sales tax.
    .
    Aside from all that, ” The government is too big, too powerful, and too intrusive; trying to do too much, for too many, from too few.”
    .
    .

    • Ted G

      Louis, I agree this is nothing but an extension of the class warfare meme that these progressives are pushing. Its all BS.

    • Bob Jeffrey

      I am convinced that there is something in Gov. Romney’s tax returns which, if disclosed, would preclude his becoming president. He tells us to trust him, there is nothing hidden in the returns, but he, along with all Americans should remember President Reagan’s admonition: “Trust, but verify.”

      Americans are being asked to elect a Chief Executive Officer. Surely, Mr. Romney, at Bain Capital, would vet any senior officer he was considering hiring and I am sure he vetted Paul Ryan’s tax returns. He cannot, legitimately, ask us to accept less vetting for the most important office in the world.

      • http://personalliberty.com/2012/08/21/taxing-my-patience/?eiid= LOUIS CERVONE

        Well, The IRS has it. Do you not think they looked at it for something fishy?

      • Ted G

        Where were you back in 2008? You talk like we got a proper vetting of Obama…

    • Winddrinker

      Louis, I agree the government is way too intrusive and has no business asking what anyone does with their money. Heck, they want to tell us what to eat and drink, tax every thing we own and do… and tax it all again every year. And, obamacare adds 20 new taxes they can enforce and increase every year..

      Face it, we are in a dictatorship, and the Constitution has been thrown in the dumpster.
      But, the government only has the power WE let them usurp.

      • http://personalliberty.com/2012/08/21/taxing-my-patience/?eiid= LOUIS CERVONE

        But remember, this is why the founding Fathers gave us the 2nd Amendment to the Bill of Rights – not to protect me from you, but to protect me from them.

        “From my Cold, dead hand”. Charlton Heston, President NRA

      • eddie47d

        All you are doing is piling up more cold dead bodies.

  • James

    I DO care about Romney’s tax returns, and I DO care that Romney pays 13% while I pay 34%! And I’m very unhappy about it!

    • http://personalliberty.com/2012/08/21/taxing-my-patience/?eiid= LOUIS CERVONE

      JAMES, Let’s get off the percentage game. Romney paid $2.8 Million in taxes!. I paid 34% or about $34,000. If you taxed those making over 1 million at 34%, trust me, they would find a way to get around our crazy tax codes. And if they had to pay 34%, that is just more money the bloated government would wiz away on waste and bridges to no where. We do not have an income problem; we have a spending problem.

      • Daveh234

        That is the whole point. the richer types use tax “loopholes” and some also use tax shelters, offshore businesses and Swiss bank accounts, which is suspect in anyones mind. He doesn’t want to be lambasted for his actions. Legal or otherwise.

        • http://personalliberty.com/2012/08/21/taxing-my-patience/?eiid= LOUIS CERVONE

          Yes, you are correct. And I still say under the 4th Amendment to the Bill of Rights, the government has no right to know anything about what I make or do with it.

      • deerinwater

        LOUIS CERVONE says:

        “JAMES, Let’s get off the percentage game. Romney paid $2.8 Million in taxes!. ”

        Well, clearly you would like to, you would like to remove any notions of “relevance” and just throw out a number to win your argument.

        This cheery picking when to and not too employ some relevance and use percentages is truly amazing!

        Many for us were born in the morning hours, but it wasn’t this morning.

        • http://personalliberty.com/2012/08/21/taxing-my-patience/?eiid= LOUIS CERVONE

          Romney had NO earned income from a job – a W-2. All his income was from capital gains which Congress said is at a lower rate than ordinary income. About 25% of my income today is from capital gains. And when I retire, all my incoime will be from capital gains. Now I did not do as well as he, but the tax laws apply either way…

    • eddie47d

      So Louis if a wealthy person can hide his wealth and avoid paying taxes then that is okay because we can’t do anything about it? Don’t be so naive on that issue or nobody would be paying and our country would be ruined by the scoffers.Lets work for a fair and honest tax for all. I’m still baffled by those Hedge Fund managers who only have to pay 15% on their EARNED income and some make billions. Our banking and tax system is completely corrupted for that is a given and Romney has taken full advantage of that fact. What side of tax change are you on to make things more equitable?

      • http://personalliberty.com/2012/08/21/taxing-my-patience/?eiid= LOUIS CERVONE

        It is all legal as those are the complicated tax laws you and my Congress passed.
        .
        I am not happy with people paid cash and no taxes. As I recommended, we have a 4th Amendment to the Bill of Rights. The government has no right to know what I make. I am all for a national sales tax. Those who make more, spend more. And will pay more in taxes. Let’s do it.

    • Jon Walser

      Lots of comment regarding percentages…I was curious, so I looked:

      http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/21/exploring-mitt-romneys-taxes-and-tax-plan/

      NYTimes, and in the final analysis anti-Romney; but the reason for the percentage difference is clear:
      “According to Mr. Romney’s 2011 return, he had no wage income at all; 100 percent came from capital.”
      AND:
      “Wages are fully taxed at rates as high as 35 percent by the income tax, plus taxes for Social Security and Medicare. In contrast, realized capital gains and dividends on corporate stock are taxed at a maximum rate of 15 percent and do not bear any taxes for Social Security or Medicare.”

      • http://personalliberty.com/2012/08/21/taxing-my-patience/?eiid= LOUIS CERVONE

        Goods for Romney.. He did not cheat or do anything strange; he jsut follwed teh complicated tax codes Congress created.
        As I approach retirement, I am moving my income from incime to dividend from cap gains.

      • John Woodbury

        Jon thanks for that, I was sure it was 15% but bad internet connections kept me from finding it. So Romney tax rate 15% pays 14% + 15% Charity = 29%, The O rate is 35%, pays 26% + 5% = 29%. Who is paying more % to country and poor people?

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Why are you so preoccupied with what another man earns, saves or invests? MYOB. Another envious twerp who believes O will be his savior.You weren’t so concerned about O before he ran for President so your concern for Romney is foolishness and is egged on by O campaign.

  • JT

    Seeing that Mittens has already lied about his tax returns (when running for Mass. Governor he lied about his filing Mass. state taxes) I really don’t trust him. He should release more of his tax returns. And note that he says that he never paid less than 14% in taxes, but he DIDN’T say 14% in INCOME TAXES. Exactly what taxes DID he pay? Foreign taxes maybe? Any his “charity” giving is 95% to the Mormon Church. Ya know, the church that owns shopping centers and businesses and real estate and is the biggest “rancher” in the USA. While I’m sure that some of this money went to what normal people feel is real charity (like disaster relief or famine relief), most of his donations went to building up the Mormon Church’s power and wealth. And if we’re talking about revealing college records, I’d like to see Mitt’s writings while he attended Brigham Young University. Or is he afraid of all the religious things in them? Yup, Mitt Romney is the Anti-Christ.

    • http://personalliberty.com/2012/08/21/taxing-my-patience/?eiid= LOUIS CERVONE

      Socialism: a guarantee that all of us are equally poor….

      We do not have an income problem; we ahve a spending problem. WE ALL PAY TOO MUCH IN TAXES FROM TOP TO BOTTOM.

    • 45caliber

      JT:

      You may not like it but giving to a church is considered charity giving – regardless of whether you believe that church should get that or not. Get over it or change it.

      • JT

        Point well taken Mr. 45Caliber. But I wasn’t questioning any of the legality of Mr. Romney giving money to charity. I recognize that giving to a church is a legal charity, as well as giving to certaint tax exempt organizations like schools or animal shelters. But what I was questioning is exactly what the charity was that he gave to? Many on this site, as well as people I’ve personally talked with, feel that since he gave to “charity” he’s a good guy because he helped feed the poor or built a hospital or something. But when you give to the Mormons ,or even the Catholic Church, this ain’t necessarily so. The Mormons have vast business enterprises who’s only goal is to make money for the church, and I could just as well buy a masterpiece oil painting and donate it to the Vatican and call it a “charity” donation, but no poor or sick person was helped in any way by this. My sole point was that unless we see his tax returns we won’t know exactly how his “charity” donation was used for.

        But my real issue with Mr. Romney releasing his returns has to do with his IRA. Now I myself have an IRA, and I’m allowed to contribute only a certain amount each year into it. But Mr. Romney’s IRA is over 100 million dollars in value! How could it grow so much with a yearly cap on the monies allowed into it? See IRAs were first started in 1974, with a yearly contribution of only max $2000. The yearly amount increased over the years to where it is now at about $5000 maximum yearly. So how did he amass over $100 million in his IRA? Yes, he COULD have played the stock market perfectly, and legally, and grew his monies to such an absurd amount. Or there’s a little know “trick” that the wealthy use that is rarely audited: see they put in yearly money with an artificial low value, which is never checked to see if it is accurate. Then, once in the IRA, the security “magically” grows in value! For example, as CEO of Bain Capital he might have been given $5,000 of “worthless” stock at a penny a share in some company that Bain Capital was restructuring. But, as CEO, he might have known full well that his shares or warrents or whatever would eventually be worth many dollars each after they raided the company and sold off assets. Then his 100,000 shares originally value at pennies a share would now be worth hundreds of thousands of dollars! He thus conviently “got around” the yearly $5,000 limit or so that the rest of us have to adhere to. And of course, once money is in an IRA it accumulates tax free until redeemed 20 years later. Is this “legal”? Sometimes. And sometimes not. It could involve “insided trading” or multiple of other ways he could have “doctored” the books to make the value look cheap BEFORE he put it in his IRA, and, once there safe and sound, the assets are magically worth millions. Is this something you or I could do? Probably not. It’s just another example of how the rich can do things that we lowly peons can’t get away with. But the point is we won’t know unless we see his returns and examine how he wound up with an IRA worth millions!

  • ALVIS JENKINS

    Now hear this! Now hear this! No one in the whole USA or the United States Government is “MADE LIABLE” for federal income taxes. Mitt Romney can never be made liable for the tax because there is NO provision in subtitle A of the Internal Revenue Code that makes anyone liable for income taxes. IF YOU are engaged in a “Trade or Business” with the United States, then you can only be liable for the income tax IF YOU make a voluntary agreement with the employer (Government) to pay the tax. Too many people think there is a lawful mandate to pay the income tax, but it has never been proven. Subtitle A of the Internal Revenue Code reflects the “INDEX” of the Code under the caption, “Liability for tax”, in which the term “income” is not listed as a “Taxable Subject”, and the foremost reason is found in the supreme law of the land (United States Constitution) in Article 1, section 2, clause 3, section 9, clause 4.
    Get over it folks, Mitt Romney is not liable for any income taxes unless, he was federally engaged in a trade or business with the government.
    Don’t anyone start saying anything about what the courts have ruled on income tax cases until you read those transcripts and see for yourself that due process was a total farce.

    • http://personalliberty.com/2012/08/21/taxing-my-patience/?eiid= LOUIS CERVONE

      OK, YOU GO FIRST. The IRS just sent me a balance due bill for $288.
      ” A government big enough to give you everything you want is strong enough to take everthing you have.”Thomas Jefferson. When you find a way for me to get my money back, I’ll be the first to file an overcharge claim.

      • deerinwater

        Yea, I just received a “Nasty Gram” from the IRS a few weeks ago, they wanting another 384.00 dollars.

        I will pay it, and know I done my part and have retained my “bitching rights” for another year.

        This payment make me a vested citizen with all the rights and privileges citizenship is afforded.

        I am proud to pay my taxes and be an American. I am grateful for what my country has given me, a place in a chaotic world that I can claim as mine for my short stay. Freedom has never been free and even Freedom itself has a down side all it’s own, as my freedom is connected to other Americans freedoms, people that can’t or won’t pay taxes or abide by our laws.

      • deerinwater

        Have fun with Ben’s posting, I’m done for today. It’s a rainy morning and I need to check on my chickens.

        I would leave in saying, ~ if every wage earner could afford to pay 14% in Federal Taxes and the Federal government learns to operate inside such a budget would be good thing.

        So our job should be to see that every American can, should and does and the Fed adapts a serious attitude about it primary purpose and stays in budget.

    • 45caliber

      Alvis:

      This is one part of the Constitution that the DEMOs definately believe in:

      “Article. XVI.

      The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.”

      Does this answer your question about a law granting the government the right to collect income taxes?

      • http://personalliberty.com/2012/08/21/taxing-my-patience/?eiid= LOUIS CERVONE

        Then it is time to change a bad law…

  • ALVIS JENKINS

    TO Deerinwater,

    You say there is a law for paying the federal income tax, but can you quote the law or at least direct everyone reading this where the law is found?

    • deerinwater

      No, I did not say that, ~ but I will tell you that there are laws for “failure to comply” that comes with penalties and restrictions.

      • 45caliber

        deer:

        There is one law – it’s in the Constitution. But there are a LOT of regulations set by non-politicians. Too many people consider them laws although Congress never voted on any of them.

    • http://personalliberty.com/2012/08/21/taxing-my-patience/?eiid= LOUIS CERVONE

      Didn’t they throw Uncle Al Capone in jail for not paying his taxes?
      Didn’t they jail the guy who won the million on the island for not paying taxes?
      I am all for it as I believe in the 4th Amendment.
      Please tell me how I can put a stick in the eye of the bear?

      • chuckb

        just think, how lucky for geithner, working for barry he gets off scott free, al capone went to jail for the same thing.

      • 45caliber

        chuck:

        Laws enforced by the feds depends upon who they are being enforced against. With Al, they wanted to find ANYTHING to put him in jail – and did. With Geithner – and several others of Barry’s friends – they don’t want to find anything so they won’t. At least under this administration. In fact, I’d really like to see just how many Congressmen and Senators have the same problem with paying taxes. I’d like to see the next President (regardless of who it may be) require a probe of ALL their taxes.

  • jopa

    Mutt Romney didn.t release even one full year of tax statements to date.Key documentation required by the IRS on Swiss bank accounts is missing from the information that should be known by the public.Five years of returns? He won’t even provide one full year with pertinent information.We need disclosure or is this man really trying to hide something immorral or even criminal??

  • Dianne Lee

    I care. Someone has those returns, because they are worth millions. The IRS has a lot of employees, and Romney gave 23 years of returns to McCain when he was being vetted for VP. Someone in that bunch is willing to sell those returns to someone who wants Obama elected. In fact they probably already have, but it makes sense to hold them up until Romney is officially nominated.

    And, the possibility that there is nothing in them that would hurt Romney doesn’t hold water. He is being hurt by the failure to release them. It’s only logical that he has made the decision that whatever is in them would be more harmful.

    Romney owes it to the Republican party to release those returns before he is nominated and before someone else does it. The alternative is for them to be released about the first of October, just in time for them to create a firestorm, with no time to put that fire out.

    • 45caliber

      Romney needs to release them – just like Oblama needs to release his private records as well. What is good for the pot is good for the kettle. You can’t say that one has to release them and then alibi the other for not releasing them.

  • ALVIS JENKINS

    Ok Deerinwater, quote the law of noncompliance with the law. With no quote of the law, your statement is nothing less than hearsay. Everyone reading these comments wants to know the law so spit it out.

  • chuckb

    the bolsheviks harping about romneys tax return is nothing more than diversionary tactics. let’s demand barry produce all his records, not some phony birth certificate, he hasn’t produced anything to prove he’s even alive, ten years of tax records are probably as phony as his birth certificate. what a laugh, the republicans get sucked in again, they spend all their time defending some accusation (phony) and barry gets off.

    • http://dlee4144.wordpress.com dlee4144

      The birth certificate ship has sailed. You might get some traction out of the college records, but no one who is remotely objective believes that was a fake birth certificate, so harping on it only convinces those who are desperate to believe. Since they already are convinced, you can’t make any converts by continuing to talk about it. Conversely, you do look like you aren’t dealing with reality, making any other arguments you make suspect.

      • Jon Walser

        dlee4144: Perhaps, you could explain to me how to kern with a typewriter. Proportional fonts (still not kerning) didn’t show up until 1966. The Usurper was born in 1961, no?

      • Winddrinker

        diee, what has obumscum produced to show that he actually exists? He is even using someone else’s social security number..please, explain.

        Other than a couple of poorly written books, that are nothing but fabrications of an imaginary person, who is in the presidency, nothing has been proven as the truth. We have been lied to about everything. We don’t even know his pedigree, who are his parents….we only know that all has been lies.

        We know WHAT is in the presidency because of all the Executive Orders, Mandates, and Laws that has been shoved on us against our will. We know what we see to be true and can only draw our own conclusions because there are no records that are allowed to be seen. Some believe that there is a fo-reign mus lim girl-ie-man posing as an American President. Proof please.

    • Dianne Lee

      By the way, the use of irrelevant political labels also makes you look like you are deserate. If your argument stands on it’s own, you don’t need to add labels intended to be inflammatory. They add nothing to the argument, and sound kind of silly.

      • Winddrinker

        DL, my labels are NOT political. They come from the heart, my dear..and just describe what I see in front of me…

  • J J

    I, too, don’t care about Romney’s money, where he keeps it or his tax returns. He is an American success story and the Democrats don’t like that. If they don’t like the percentage of his income that he pays in taxes, they need to reform the tax laws. But I am sure that there are many wealthy Democrats who also use those tax laws to their benefit. So, what are they really screaming about…. it’s just another distraction to keep Obama’s policies and failures from being the target.

    I care about how the Romney / Ryan ticket are going to undo and fix what Obama has done to America. The Democrats have proven themselves hypocritical when it comes out that many of their members (some of who where doing the loudest squawking about Romney) who have the same type of off shore accounts and accounts in foreign countries. They like to throw stones but live in glass houses.

  • Palin16

    Just what would Obummer do with more taxes? Another boondoggle like Solyndra? More personal assistants for Michelle because 23 of them collectively making $1.8 million a year isn’t enough? More White House staff who already are paid $36 million a year? More staff for senators and congressmen, each of whom already has 40-80 assistants collectively “earning” $2-4 million per year for each congressman? What do these people do all day anyway, play solitaire and gab on their cell phones about what they had for breakfast today? More 5-star vacations to Spain, Bali, Indonesia and Hawaii for Michelle, such as the half-million of taxpayer dollars she spent in Spain? More money for Pigosi to fly on Air Force jets every week while gulping down $200,000 worth of booze a year, like she did when she was Speaker of the House? All of these positions could be eliminated with no loss to the American people. Curious minds want to know.

    • JeffH

      Palin16, thought I’d share this with you ’cause you live in Nevada.

      The Constitutional Sheriffs & Peace Officers Association (CSPOA) will host its second national convention for constitutional training in Las Vegas this September 16-18, 2012.

      http://www.cspoa.org/

      • Palin16

        Thanks JeffH

    • 45caliber

      Palin:

      I do agree that if more taxes come in, they will find more things to spend it on. And it won’t be for the good of the country. It will be for their own good.

      But I didn’t know Michelle had 23 assistants. I thought she had over 40…

  • http://www.facebook.com/mark.farris.96 Mark Farris

    Of course it’s important for all of us to see Mitt Romney”s tax status, as well as President Obama’s. This should apply to every politician from the federal, state and local level. I don’t just mean dollars and cents and percentages, I want to see the entire stock portfolio of anyone who wants to “lead”. I need to know which Republicrats support useless wars and then profit from the exportation of death. I need to know who the war profiteers are because 57% of every tax dollar goes to prop up the military industrial complex. Think the govt. is too big, how about that.

    It’s obvious to me America is the current empire in decline. We’re making the exact same mistakes every previous empire made by overextending militarily as infrastructure collapses. We’re setting China up to take our place yet none of you seem to be too concerned. Do none of you care that last year 1200 financially well to do Americans gave up US citizenship to avoid paying taxes? If those of us at the bottom were to do that we’d be called commies. Do none of you care that over 2300 millionaires collected unemployment compensation last year? As the work force is whittled away to maximize stock dividends, consumers are eliminated and doesn’t 70% of the economy revolve around consumption?

    The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer and the middle class is disappearing here in the land of milk and honey. Good luck with your dividends and capital gains chumps. A solid stock market crash is needed to level the playing field. Think I’ll have a bowl of rice for lunch today, maybe tomorrow too.

    • Winddrinker

      Sounds like SOUR GRAPES Mark! What! You don’t make all the money you would like to make so you don’t want anyone else to have it….

      Spend all that energy in getting tax reform or going to church so you won’t be so envious.

      • http://www.facebook.com/mark.farris.96 Mark Farris

        Tax all the churches is a great idea.

      • Winddrinker

        Mark, is that all you have got….

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Mark, your first mistake is to assume that the, so-called, American government runs the country. You couldn’t be more deluded. The borrower is slave to the lender! Who is the lender?

      http://modernhistoryproject.org/mhp?Article=NoneDare&C=3.0&E=FabianSoc

  • JeffH

    May 2012, Obama told the Russian president “This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility.” Many people are trying to claim that Romney will be no better than Obama. However, Obama’s statement is a sign that he will do more damage to our liberties than he already has. Even if you believe that Romney is very similar to Obama, Obama’s statement should make you concerned that he will violate his Constitutional oath much worse if he is elected for a second term. This alone provides a clear distinction between the two candidates and at least gives us a chance that Romney will be better than keeping Obama for another four years.

    Some people criticize Romney’s record as the governor of Massachusetts, a democratic state. Although some of his decisions provide an insight to his mentality, the Constitution provides states more flexibility than the federal government. He is being criticized for actions he took that states have the authority to do. Does this mean he will adhere to the Constitution if elected president? We don’t know, but we already know Obama hasn’t.

    Some people become disappointed and angry that we are unable to change the system overnight. Getting upset because we cannot get an ideal president in office is like being disappointed that the top down approach in economics does not work. To effect change, we must keep our primary focus on educating the public, educating the younger generation, and making changes at the local level.

    If we can ensure we have ideal candidates in office at our local and state levels, then we will eventually achieve change at the presidential level.

    As these younger politicians move through the ranks from local to state levels, they are in a better position to eventually seek the presidency. It will take time, but we owe it to future generations to give them a better country than what we currently have. The only way to ensure change and allow that change to take hold is to rely on the bottom up approach. This doesn’t mean that we need to stop trying at the higher levels of office though.

    • JeffH

      Foster’s Daily Democrat: “Top 10 Reasons To Vote For Romney”

      10 — He can win the White House. This is lowest on our list because, while important, the substance of his policies and what they will do for the nation are more critical.

      9 — He has been endorsed by a cross-section of the GOP — from a more moderate John McCain to Tom Thomson, son of a very conservative New Hampshire governor, Meldrim Thomson.

      8 — As a candidate, Foster’s has seen him grow and mature, making this time his time to be the nominee.

      7 — His faith in family, God and country is rock-solid.

      6 — He has built businesses.

      5 — He has suffered the slings and arrows of failed businesses.

      4 — He has had to meet a payroll.

      3 — He has led as a large-state governor and chief executive.

      2 — He has a well spelled-out plan for the economy.

      1 — Finally, the former Massachusetts governor has been Reaganesque in his ability to stay the course and keep his eye of the prize — the White House and leader of the free world.
      http://www.mittromney.com/blogs/mitts-view/2012/01/fosters-daily-democrat-top-10-reasons-vote-romney

    • 45caliber

      “We don’t know, but we already know Obama hasn’t.”

      That is the reason that I plan to vote for Romney. We don’t know he won’t be as bad as Oblama – but he can’t be any worse. And Oblama has already proved that he won’t follow the Constitution or obey any of the laws.

      “Some people become disappointed and angry that we are unable to change the system overnight.”

      We didn’t get to this position overnight and we won’t recover overnight. Too many people refuse to accept that. They had better get used to it for it won’t happen overnight regardless of who is in control.

    • JeffH

      FYI – These two postings aren’t meant as an endorsment of Romney.

    • Robert Rashbrooke

      Your argument that starting our politicians out at a younger age in STATE politics and letting them graduate up to the FEDERAL level will somehow make the political system less corrupt is totally fatuous. Just look at the shenanigans here in Florida, perpetrated by our rising politicians, and you will see that it is the SYSTEM of politics that corrupts, and very few individuals will be able to withstand the pressure. I imagine that the same events , boundary rigging to benefit encumbents, electoral restrictions on voters, restrictions on non governmental bodies trying to encourage the people to register to vote, etc. are common in all States.

      Anyone who uses a link to reinforce their view has to realise that that link was ONLY written by someone as THEIR understanding and personal view of what is, and unless it contains hard and fast FACTS that can be verified, cannot be treated as ‘gospel’.

      We all want a better America to live in and raise our children in, and there is just soooo much that needs to be changed to accomplish this that we cannot afford the luxury of denigrating others who have a different viewpoint but is essentially trying to achieve the same objective.

    • JeffH

      Robert Rashbrooke says, “Your argument that starting our politicians out at a younger age in STATE politics and letting them graduate up to the FEDERAL level will somehow make the political system less corrupt is totally fatuous.”

      Please humor me Robert and point out where I mentioned that younger politicians who graduate to the federal level will somehow make the political system less corrupt? I didn’t!

      As for your reference to people that leave links all I can say is…isn’t that the point? DUH!

  • ALVIS JENKINS

    ONLY DUMMIES pay federal income taxes in the private sector (non-federal). But if you insist on paying income taxes and committing perjury, pay some for me, what you call a fair share.

  • George Stover

    Questions:

    Is 15% on dividends the whole story? What about the 40% to 50@ income taxes
    corporations pay on income before stockholders get their share of profit left?

    Capital gains – How much of the selling price is due to inflation while the asset is owned;
    its taxed too.

  • George Stover

    Where did the large amount of business income (Schedule C) on Obama’s tax return
    come from?

    • 45caliber

      Bribery. Or possibly stock bonuses from the stock given him by various companies such as GM for his help. Both are business related, aren’t they?

    • Winddrinker

      Stimulas packages are nothing but “MONEY LAUNDERING” escapades by the government!

      You might ask, why do all politicians go to Washington with modest means and retire as multi-Millionaires…

      Remember all the money that these failed, bankrupted companies “can’t find.” What happened to all the money Solyndra was given. Or all the money the GAO “can’t find.” Why do presidents tour the world in the last year of their presidencies, giving away large sums of taypayer money to every country they visit.. Think about it.

    • Karolyn

      Could at least part of it be his book sales?

      • Palin16

        Nah, his two books are old. “Dreams” only went as high as #53 on Amazon in 2007. “Going Rogue” by Sarah Palin was #1 for awhile.

  • Gilberto

    I care about his tax returns. He is running for the highest office in the United States and basically the entire world. A position such as this should not be taken lightly, as it has been in the past. Transparency of government as well as those people in government and politics is essential. How a person manages his personal as well as his business finances say an awful lot about a person weather he earns thirty five thousand dollars or three hundred and fifty million. Especially if it is suspected that he is paying fewer taxes than his fair share or that he is sending jobs overseas. In fact a person running for the Presidency should be transparent about his business locations his business acquaintances and which companies he is investing on. There are already too many secrets in Washington and that is one of the major problems. I am not just saying this to support the present president, because that is definitely not what I want to do, I am saying it because there are already too many sellouts in Washington that are not working for the people that elected them. The average people of this country have to take more control, and become better informed. The republican presidential candidate or the present President will not bring relief to this Nation and the situation in America will not improve with the republican democrat choices we are being given by the self appointed chosen few in the last two elections. I did not vote for the now President in the last election because I felt he was not the right choice but neither was the republican candidate so I did not vote for him either. I did not vote for the previous President for the same reason and voted for the democrat candidate but I feel the election was stolen. I don’t vote for a republican, democrat or independent blindly instead I vote for whomever I think is the best for the country and not for me or my needs. However if we are not given a clearly good candidate to vote for I just don’t vote. I say given because that is exactly what our democracy has become. With the large amounts of money needed to run, that keep getting larger every year, the control has been taken away from the citizen and given to the elite and their lobbying professionals. Then again the elite that want the republican nominee as president already know where when how and with whom he is doing business, investing, and spending the money in his possession.

    • Winddrinker

      I am not worried about what Romney wants to do with HIS money.

      I am worried about what presently occupies the oval office.

    • jopa

      Where can I get that Sara Palin cookbook titled “Going buy some Ragu”?

  • ergoetu

    I am supposed to be concerned with Romney and his taxes? I am more concerned about what the government does with my taxes. Anymore Solyndras or Fiskers and I will stop working and go on the government dole so I don’t have to pay taxes anymore, or at least less than I pay now. Maybe I would be better off joining a cartel in Mexico, at least I would know where my taxes (tribute) are going. It is the same, it is just removing my money by coercion. The government doesn’t make money, it uses force to remove it from makers. That makes the government the TAKERS. I don’t know how GOD can survive on a 10% tithe, when the government cannot survive on the 30% I pay in US (FITW. FED MED/EE FED OASDI/EE), State and local taxes, not including sales, gasoline, property and other taxes we all pay. Gotta love being in the land of the free.

    • Randy

      Well, there is the ole saying, America, Love it or Leave it!
      ( if more people truly loved it, maybe it would be in better shape! )
      ( but it’s now about ” me” – ” mine” – gimme gimme! )

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    Kudos to Mitt Romney for standing his ground against the outrageous extortion attempts waged by Harry Reid, from the floor of the US Senate no less, AND for not giving in to Barack Obama’s silly “offer” to end persecution of Romney in exchange for the release of five more years of returns!

    Phooey to both Reid and Obama!

    If either has a scintilla of credible evidence of any wrong- doing by Romney, let them refer their “evidence” to the IRS, where Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner is expert when it comes to tax malfeasance. Otherwise, Reid and Obama should simply shut the hell up and stop embarrassing themselves, and stop abusing Romney’s civil rights and dignity.

    To Harry Screed: Senator, the floor of the US Senate is NOT the same as The Enquirer, and should not be used to spread rumors, gossip, or worse!

    To the Illegal President: Mr. Romney has a policy of refusing to negotiate with known domestic enemies of America! Period!

    By the way, Mitt Romney deserves enormous credit for paying as little in taxes as possible! Only an idiot of the likes of VP Joe Biden believes that paying more in taxes is somehow patriotic!

    Romney understands that every dollar surrendered unnecessarily to the US government
    is yet another dollar that will be wasted and misused to buy votes, to fund stupid programs that should be eliminated, and to arm Marxist nannies like Nancy Pelosi with money to wage war against American values and interests.

    • Mike in MI

      Jay -

      What I can’t understand is why Romney doesn’t just come on strongly at Reid and point blank tell him to get off the Senate floor and state the nature of the illegal acts he charges Mitt with.
      If he had one scintilla of fact on his side he could say it from any public forum (if sure he could prove it).
      The reason he brought it up at that specific location is that he can NOT be sued for any slander or wrong doing spoken at that podium. He can say ANYTHING from the Senate podium as a senator and not be liable. He could say from that podium that Romney forcibly rapes 9 year old boys and no one can do anything but listen to it echo.
      That’s why he won’t say it publicly; he’d be liable for libelling Romney. Worse, Obama and company can refer to Reid’s charge, making it seem plausible, as long as nobody else makes the charge.

  • Bruce

    I’m with Ben. Romney’s returns don’t bother me. Let Romney state that he paid $xx millions in taxes after giving $xxxxx millions in deductible charitable contributions. If it’s cash contributions, you can give half your income to charity. Romney didn’t quite do that but he sure lowered his tax rate a bunch by his huge charitable giving.

  • Bruce

    Obama may be qualified (by birth) to be elected. Or maybe not. What he is hiding is may well be some malfeasance, such as misrepresenting himself as foreign for college admissions, or misrepresenting himself as American to be elected. Is he also hiding low grades because he didn’t apply himself. His lack of work ethic is well documented.

    • Winddrinker

      All the malcontents are not concerned about who the fraud is, posing as president. They are not concerned about why he wasn’t vetted and the damage he has done.

      It seem the important thing to the malecontents (even the republican malcontents) is Romney’s tax returns…by showing them the country will be SAVED….Right!

      Where are the priorities! What does obumscum have to HIDE! Why does he have three law firms hired to keep all HIS records hidden away, at a cost of Millions of Dollars. That is unpresidented, no other president has HIDDEN HIS IDENTITY except obumscum.

      By the way maybe we should ask Valerie Jarrett since she introduced the moocher to the fraud, and guided them every step of the way since 1991..and is still the power behind the throne!

  • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

    BOTH Romney and Obama should put up or shut up

  • chuckb

    we should worry about barry. he still refuses to release any records on himself and his bolshevik goons keep trying to keep the spotlight on romney. let him produce an original bc, school records, draft status, passport, social security card and a legitimate father. then we can talk about romneys tax records.
    the bolsheviks can’t prove anything concerning barry, nothing except trying to change the subject. everything about him is phony, with the exception he is sitting in the white house and destroying the country.

    • deerinwater

      Too late Chuck, he is the President. He’s not releasing anything. ~ You can forget it.

      Your job is to make him an Ex President by offering sound options.

      Can you do that?

  • chuckb

    deerinthewater, i will do everything possible. even hillary clinton would be better than this guy, maybe, could be a toss up.

  • Elizabeth Pylant

    All I know I have MS and what insurance doesn’t pay for I do. I had to pay 33% in to the IRS and my income is 45,000 a year. Because insurance doesn’t pay I had to case my 401 in to cover medical expenses. I had no deductions because I’m a widow on Medicare.

    • http://personalliberty.com/2012/08/21/taxing-my-patience/?eiid= LOUIS CERVONE

      Elizabeth, All issue aside, go to a professional financial planner before doing anything. Maybe AARP. Your 401K is no touch savings until you are ready to live off of it; not pay medical bills.

  • Dad

    ECONOMIC report card:

    42 months of 8% unemployment, 6 trillion in new debt (+43%), gas prices up 83%, food stamp recipients up 45%, health insurance cost up 23%, home values down 13%, and 6.4 million more people in poverty… let’s stay focused on the issues.

  • Randy

    LOL – I can’t believe all the comments by people re: the birth certificate, the tax returns. The mean spirited-ness of my fellow AMERICANS towards each other is amazing! Whatever happened to allowing others to have their own opinions, their own religious beliefs? We have got to find a way to be nice to each other again. We have to find a way to make the people in office work together after an election to help this country – not continue to fight the other party, causing nothing good to be accomplished for America! I thought maybe this “3rd” party would be different, but if the comments on this page reflect them, well, never mind, we’re doomed as a country – its going to be every person for themselfs!

    • chuckb

      randy you must be living in a dream world, animosity between the parties, do you listen to people like harry reid and pelosi, you sound like a bolshevik that just woke up and discovered he iw a communist.

    • Jon Walser

      I don’t care about personal beliefs, never did. I do care about being stolen from, and told it is charity; lied to, and told I’m to stupid to understand the nuance; licenced, fined and taxed and told it is to protect me…

    • s c

      Comrade ‘r,’ here’s your overdue introduction to the real world. Two first-class examples of meanspiritedness are (1) a North Korean soldier with a loaded rifle and (2) any ultraprogressive utopian [like you]. It also includes your White House ‘God,’ chump.

  • jopa

    Mutt Romney should be audited and then when he goes to prison for fraud and income tax evasion perhaps Ron Paul will step up to the plate.Just a thought.

    • Jon Walser

      Mitt Romney isn’t my 1st (or 2nd…choice) but do you honestly think that the IRSS under Obama hasn’t taken a very careful look to see if there is anything even close?

  • jopa

    The folks at the IRS may have gone to the same school as the auditors at the SEC.How many times were Wall Street discrepancies pointed out to them and nothing was done.They may have looked at Romneys returns but do they know their own job.Romney’s lawyers and taxmen have intricate ways of making bad things look good and enough to confuse the most seasoned IRS agent.

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