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Tax Payments for Them and the Rest of Us

March 9, 2009 by  

Tax Payments for Them and the Rest of Us

“It’s important for this administration to send a message that there aren’t two sets of rules—you know, one for prominent people and one for ordinary folks who have to pay their taxes.”

That was President Barack Obama’s spin after the third of his cabinet nominees was found to have failed to pay federal taxes until just before he was nominated. Don’t be fooled by the smooth tongue of the man many have begun to mockingly call “The One.”

What this shows is that those in power know something most Americans don’t: that there is no law requiring Americans to pay income taxes. And there is indeed a set of rules for the elites and one for “ordinary folks.”

So Timothy Geithner, Tom Daschle and Nancy Killefer didn’t pay until their nominations became inevitable. And then they only did so to head off a public relations nightmare. Still, the issue torpedoed the nominations of Daschle and Killefer. But Geithner was confirmed by the Senate as Treasury Secretary, which means he’s the head of the IRS.

Geithner, when caught up to his elbows in the cookie jar, blamed tax software for his problem. But that argument is specious coming from someone supposedly as smart as he is.

This is what they know: In truth, there is no provision in the IRS code imposing an income tax on monies received by citizens, and residents are not required to file form 1040.

The so-called income tax is a cover operation for the regulation of the regime of paper money.

Paper money must be regulated (reduced) or it will sooner than later become worthless. Should the American people discover that the income tax is only a system of regulation, not taxation, they would understand the fraud. The paper money scam must be concealed.

The people must never find out that the government gets everything that it gets for nothing and without payment, including wars.

Rarely has any lawyer ever spoken out against this system of harassment and wealth extraction. This theft through deception of trillions of “dollars” of wealth from the American people is greater than that stolen from any nation at any time in the history of the world.

Any time a lawyer speaks out against the system he is speaking out against the thing that gives him his professional existence. All lawyers are “officers of the court” and are entrapped in their own deception. Anyone who is licensed by the system, the system owns.

Now there are tens of thousands of very intelligent and highly educated Americans who silently consent to this criminal payola without even a thought of rebellion. This has been going on for 100 years.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • TeresaE

    Have to wonder why the Survivor winner Richard (somebody) received 10 years in federal prison for tax evasion if there are no laws forcing us to pay taxes.

    Seems to me like the judge didn’t interpret the law in that way.

    • http://same J. Eugene Wilson

      Even those who argue in court against the taxes usully lose(but not always) because a hanging judge will be assigned to try your case. This makes it impossible to obtain a fair trial and it seems that there is no way for you to win.

      • Bill

        Isn’t that why we have an appeals system?

  • Robin

    Then how did they convict Al Capone for income tax evasion?

    • Jon R.

      Wasn’t he taken down actually for mail fraud? Something about conducting a fraud and sending mail furthering the fraud over state lines, making it a federal matter.

      • Bill

        No, it was tax evasion.

  • Texas T-Sip

    This article points to the LAWFUL FACT that most Americans VOLUNTEER TO PAY THE “INCOME” TAX. Understand more by going here: Google howyoubecomeliable dot com. Also read Amazon reviews on the book “Cracking the Code”. Very interesting stuff, that.

  • Chuck Duklis

    One way to make sure all Americans feel good about their Representatives and Government officials is to demand that all Officials be audited, not by the IRS, who is on their payroll, but independent auditors and the results published for all to see. Let’s finally find out if our Officials are trustworthy or just in it for the buck.

    • Freda Chandler

      AMEN!!! Chuck. You’ve got it RIGHT and the people of the United States ought to vote on the pay of the house of representives instead of them voting on their own pay.

  • JC1042
  • Lynne Van House

    If you ALREADY have a Social Security card–and you ALREADY have filed an employee deduction form anywhere–they have you.
    You have already agreed to “voluntarily” pay income taxes!
    SOOO–this voluntary tax is like a giant snake throat–lots of teeth pointing down. Easy slide down the throat, almost NEVER get to back up!
    WE mostly can’t do this–only kids who are born and their parents do NOT get them a card ever–will not have to comply.
    My mother never had a SS card until my Dad died–then she HAD to get one, to collect his SS death benefits. She never paid into SS, or ever filed a 1040—-and Dad did.
    With all the emphasis on getting a kid “identified” as soon as it is born–not very many at all are qualified to defy this anymore.
    Can we start a movement for our kids? It’s the only legal way.

    • Jim

      I’m pretty sure it’s mandatory to have a Social Security Card as identity, if you are a U.S. citizen. It is used for evrything from getting a bank account to applying for loans, registering for college, and using public libraries. The requirements have changed soemwhat because of the Patriot Act, but I know it has always been required for selective service for the military.

  • Joe

    I find it hard to believe that the “common” person could ever get by with what the “elite” can.

    I will soon be 59 years old, and “for the first time in my adult life”, I am not proud of my country. This is insanity and frightening at the least.

    Over 51% of the electorate have now figured out that they can suck their existance from the rest of us tax payors. I was raised a democrat, turned republican in the late 70′s and now I’m just plain angry.

    Something must be done and soon, or there will not be anything left.

    • Jim

      Well, there’s nothing to be frightened about. When the brilliant people we elect to Congress or the House of Representatives do foolish things with our hard-earned tax dollars, we can vote them out of office. In light of the recent financial scandal, I think they are headed in the right direction. Jail the “ponsy” scheme guy and his entire family, sieze their assets, and get everyone who was responsible for the mess at AIG. By God, there has to be accountability at some point in the process.

  • Abram

    “Seems to me like the judge didn’t interpret the law in that way.” More then likely they interpreted the law, according to, what I always thought, was the origin of the income tax. A tax institututed to fight the 1st World War, **”The 16th Amendment states, “The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.” Legislation that was never ratified by the majority, but on February 25, 1913, “Secretary of State Philander Knox , simply declared it to be “ineffect”, but never stating it was lawfully ratified. The U.S. Supreme Court rejected any claims that the 16th Amendment changed the constitutional limits on direct taxes in Brushaber v. Union Pacific R.R. Co., 240 U.S. 1, when they ruled that it “created no new power of taxation” and that it “did not change the constitutional limitations which forbid any direct taxation of individuals”. ”

  • Aman

    Actually to clarify this, it is unconstitutional to tax’s one labor. Google a video called America. Freedom to Facism, directed professionally by Aron Russo. This will most certainly educate you …as well as alarm you. Also, google the name Joe Bannister. He was a former IRS agent who’s job was to go anywhere in the country and in the middle of night with the element of surprise put a gun to people’s head who didn’t pay their taxes. A christian from a good family, Bannister wasn’t quite sure that what he did for the IRS was in essence legal. After wrestling with his conscience and many hours of lost sleep, and upon the insistance by his wife, he asked his supervisor if what he was order to do was legal? Shorly after, he was asked to resign. Bannister, also a CPA, exclaimed that indeed the income tax i.e. tax on one’s labor is illegal. He, as a result didn’t report his income tax. After many years of court and near bankruptcy he finally prevailed. I’ll let Bannister tell the rest! Friends, download that America. Freedom to Facism now! Invite friends over and watch it together it’s about two hours long and you WILL find some if not most of the contents disturbing.

    Best Wishes

    • Jim

      America will never be a fascist country. Poeple who speak so lightly of fascism should consider what it was like to live in Germany under Hitler, or Italy under Mussolini. Fascism in America? Why do you think people from every nation on earth come to the U.S. ? They are fleeing the kind of tyrrany that the founding fathers of the U.S. fought against. Things like Taxation without representation, the right to a speedy and fair trial, the right to face your accusers, not to mention the right to vote and basic human rights, which many governments today see fit to deny to their citizens. I am so tired of foreigners who badmouth the United States, while living here and reaping the rewards of the best form of government this world has ever seen. All I can say is, if you don’t like the U.S. then leave. The sooner the better.

      • Paul Trood

        You live in fantasy land. If you think your form of government is the best the world has ever seen you are either a total fool or have never studied foreign government structures. Your form of government is flawed at nearly every level. It thrives on corruption, distortion, disinformation, and secrecy, it is a farce. Love your country, despise your governments. JFK was your last REAL president all since are just puppets.

        • Jim

          I am not a fool, and I have studied government, having voted in every U.S. election from 1972 onward. Yes, there is occasional corruption in U.S. government. Show me a government on Earth that does not have this problem. Since the election of Ronald Reagan ( the great communicator ) in 1980, it has been important for a Presidential candidate to communicate effectively on TV and radio. And it is expensive to run for President, especially in the last 3 elections. You may wonder why I thnk the U.S. has the best form of government the world has ever seen. The best way i can explain it is this: I can think anything I want, earn all I want, and ridicule any politician I want – in short i can do anything i want as long as it does notinterfere with the rights of others, and I will not be put in jail or executed for my beliefs, whether they are of a political, religious, scientific, or any other nature. America is the land of the free and the home of the brave. You sound like an Australian.
          You speak like the SUBJECT of a KING, not the citizen of a republic.
          The Australian system is in some ways better than the U.S. system, in medicine for instance. But no American will ever be subject to a King or Queen. When our leaders do not perform, we can vote them out of office.

        • crocus009

          Why do you say that JFK was our last REAL president? What did he do to deserve that title? Had he lived longer he might not have ended up as ‘revered’.

        • crocus009

          Sorry Jim. That reply was meant to be for Paul Trood …just above your comment.

        • Paul Trood

          JFK for all his personal faults, eg. womanizing was a great president. Due to his illnesses he truely realized the fragility of life and this gave him a different perspective on the position of commander and chief. He was the last president that stood up to the M.I.C. indicated by his desire to end the war in Vietnam and therefor denying them the continued profits they sort so badly. He stood up to his own intelligence agencies when he quite clearly understood he was being fed distorted intel for the sole benefit of such agencies. He even sacked a Joint Chief of Staff over a corrupt proposal in regards to Cuba “operation northwoods” which was a false flag op to give reason to attack Cuba. He was openly against the BIG banks controlling the financial structure and direction of monetary policy in the U.S.
          These are the reasons he was murdered. Nothing to do with the mafia, the unions and all to do the negative financial affects he was having, or was to have on the banking elite, the super wealthy at the top of the M.I.C. and those in the C.I.A./F.B.I./N.S.A. that also stood to lose out from a passive foreign policy.
          Since then all presidents to varying degrees have been puppets of the above.

      • Paul Trood

        Flaws in your statement. 1) You make references to regimes that were in power over 50 years ago, not current. 2) Many people fleeing tyrannical regimes do not only go to the U.S. they also go to Australia, New Zealand and the U.K. 3) Your Federal tax laws are a violation of the Constitution 4) The Patriot act has destroyed the once cherished freedoms of the American people 5) Your system of Medicare is pathetic, see Australia’s system to see just how bad yours is. 5) Your financial system based on a Private bank “FED” running the monetary system is beyond a joke having created the worst financial disaster in U.S. history and having damaged peoples lively hoods well beyond your borders. 6) Your electoral system is based on who can raise the most money and employ the best spin doctors. It has nothing to do with the quality of the candidates.

      • Paul Trood

        And by the way Obama, a man that has achieved nearly nothing of importance in his life is set to continue the destruction of both your dollar and your lifestyle. He is a product of Wall Street having been groomed for at least 2 decades by the people that really hold the power. He has reneged on nearly ALL of his pre-election promises and is a true narcissist. If I were you I would take Bob’s advise and buy gold and silver for in the not to distant future your Fiat money will be worthless and all you may be left with is Martial Law and the collapse of society as you know it.

        • Jim

          Well i didn’t vote for the man, so don’t blame me. I think many people got caught up with Obama because he is the first African American to have areal chance of being elected President of the United States. What’s bad about it is that he is a first-term Senator inthe U.S. Senate and served only a term or two in the Illinois State Senate. he is way underqualified to be President.
          The Democratic party would have done better to run Joe Biden for president and Barack Obama for Vice-President. Obama is not old enough, experienced enough, or wise enough to be President of the U.S. And by the way, I am a Democrat, but a conservative Democrat. I believe in fiscal responsibility, strong national defense, and helping out the little guy.
          I do not like many of Obama’s policies, which tend toward socialism.

        • Paul Trood

          Jim I am not blaming you in any way. And yes I am an Australian but I have little respect for the Queen as she contributes nothing to the culture and progression of Australia, she is basically a figurehead.
          All the freedoms you mentioned you enjoy, since 9/11 have been slowly eroded by the Bush regime, the warrant less wire tapping, the recording and selective analysis of all emails, the ability of police to enter your home and detain you without charge etc, etc are not the attributes of a free society, they are those of a totalitarian regime. Yes terrorism is a threat ,but these changes to your personal liberties were created on lies and distorted intel to suit the agenda of a deeply corrupt administration. NONE of this applies in Australia with the exception of 75% of international calls into and out of Australia are scanned for key words, but by who? CIA staff based at an American facility at Pine Gap near Alice Springs. A facility that no Australian including the Prime Minister has complete access to. This facility was built in the days of the Apollo missions for communication but is now used to control spy satellites in regards to North Korea, China and others.
          But I digress, in regards to your politics I am neither pro Democrat or Republican as other than some minor philosophical differences they basically are the same. EG. When the Democrats got control of the Senate after years of berating the administration over Iraq did they cut off the supply of money to fund this abhorrent war, no the status quo remained. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
          Jim what I really believe is that America and the American people have been hijacked, not by their governments, not by their bearocracies, but by a group of very powerful internationalists, that’s sole purpose is to control and subjecate the people to create the kind of world THEY invision. These global elite want, one Central Bank, one world currency, which in effect would give them absolute power over the people of the world. Conspiracy theory maybe, but there is ample evidence that this agenda is real.
          It’s on the record that Kissinger and Brezinski have espoused the merits of this structure.
          Jim a little on me , I am a 50 year old airline captain that holds a law degree and a professorship in applied mathematics. Just so you know I am not an unintelligent man.
          I am exstremely concerned with what is happening in the world at present and hold real fears that the possibility of a total monetary collapse may occur in the near future. Fiat money can only last so long and the Fed’s policy of just printing more is a fatal mistake and they must know this. Which means there is a plan in place that we are totally oblivious to.
          Bob’s recommendation of buying gold and silver is in my view the best advice he has given to date.
          All the best.

      • Anna in Kentucky

        Jim, America will be fascist. Pick up a Bible and open it to the Book of Revelation. If you have trouble understanding it, check out John Hagee’s website. America will not be exempt from the chaos. We will be playing right along with the Anti-Christ. When you have to get a microchip implanted in the back of your hand or your forehead in order to simply buy food you will see.

        • Jim

          Well Anna, many people over the years have predicted the coming of the anti-Christ. I have been teaching computer science since 1980 and studying it since 1971 and have never come across a technology in which humans have microchips implanted in them. In the U.S. dogs and cats are chipped so their owners can be located if the dogs or cats are found loose on the street. Let’s suppose that some gov’t official announced that you did need a chip in your hand or forehead in order to buy food? What do you suppose the American people would do about it? My guess is they would shoot the bastard. I am quite familiar with the Bible, both KJV and Catholic ( I converted to Catholicism in the early 1990s, having studied to be a minister ( born-again ) in the early ’80s. Before you listen to anyone making predictions about the end of the world, take a really good look at who that is, and whether or not they have their hand in your wallet. Non-denominational churches accept all denominations, especially $20s, $50s and $100s.

      • John

        “Why do you think people from every nation on earth come to the U.S. ? They are fleeing the kind of tyrrany that the founding fathers of the U.S. fought against”

        That’s not why they come. They come for the free handouts which is helping to break this great country. What they don’t realize is they will be staved out just like us in the coming years.

        The government has threatened to keep the money we earned and paid for our retirement. They’ve already spent it so they would have to tighten their own belts to pay it back. Do you think they will??

  • Nels Wiberg

    **Maybe we need to tell our children never to get a social security card but start their retirement plan by having whoever they work for put a certain percent into a special fund. Then never pay income tax or have income tax deducted from their paycheck.
    From March 8th Corral Ridge TV program they had a saying something like this. Look upon the Federal Government as a watch dog you feed and not as a cow to feed you.
    Socialism is legal plundering wake up citizens.

  • http://personallibertydigest andy

    good idea but if i rember when my grandson was born 6yrs ago i believe he came home with the forms filled out at the hospital.
    maybe we need to go back to midwifes …when and where does it stop?
    if lawyers are involved then really where do we go?
    they can’t even get the courts to force a birthcertifcate for obama..
    we all know there is something with this picture but we can’t change it..

  • john

    We know for a fact that all elected officials are “honest”. A shining example is the late Senator Paul Welstone, son of poor Russian immigrants. college professor at a private liberal college who died in a plane crash leaving an estate of twelve million dollars after serving just over one term in the US senate. America, land of opportunity!

    • Jim

      Well sure, but what did he do before he was elected? How long did it take him to acquire his wealth? If he became wealthy illegally, wouldn’t he have been prosecuted? In the age of the Internet, everything that Senators do is under scrutiny from the public as well as certain branches of government. While there are many examples of American politicians in the past who have lined their pockets, I doubt it could happen today.

      • Anna in Kentucky

        Jim, you amaze me. You don’t have a clue. They do whatever they want and only tell us what they want us to know. The sad part is that WE let them.

        • Jim

          Well as a matter of fact I do have a clue. I have relatives in state gov’t in PA and they are not corrupt – in fact they are some of the most honest people I’ve ever met in my life. Maybe you have corrupt politicians in your part of the USA, but here in PA if a politician is a crook the media is all over it. A local case is Mike Veon. He has been charged with over 160 counts from his term as a PA representative. So here in PA we don’t let them get away with it. One last thought: if you don’t like the system, why don’t you run for office and change it?

  • Larry A. Hollis

    We should know,after all these years those bumbs in Washington and States Goverments, and City are in this thing for themselfs and not us, the Peasants! When a Lawyer or Judge which is a Lawyer or Others is sent to any form of Goverment, that suppose to serve the Peasants! He is in it for himself and all the backdoor money he can get when he gets there; through the lobbyists!! We the people should demand a term limit on all offices held by these bumbs. It is sad to see a politician who makes it to a seat; in any form of Goverment, that goes into this office as a middle, lower income or a millonare; parts this office as a multi, multi millionaire!!!! This tells me he isn’t nothing but a crock; which in the two justice system, the rich has their justice system, and the poor has another system. Who rules the Justice System? The crocked Lawyers and Judges, this is why we see these little slaps on the wrist, when their buddies get caught-up in their thieving scams! Let a poor Peasant’s get caught taking a loaf of bread from a rich man and see how many years he gets in prison!! We should make a Law that it will be a Hanging Offense for any Politican that is caught taking bribes, money or any gifts from any one while in office, and from these dirty lobbyist!!! Hang a few of them on Main Streets, and we will strighten out our Goverment

    • Jim

      Well, let’s see … stealing bread from someone ( rich or poor ) is a misdemeanor,
      probably about a $100 fine and/or 3 days in jail. Regardless of what crime is committed, it all comes down to how good the defendant’s lawyer is, as to how much of a fine and/or jail time he or she will serve. Everyone is subject to the same justice system regardless of whether they are rich or poor. If you are having financial problems ( like most Americans are ), the following may help:

      Wants vs Needs I learned this concept from an auto dealer who is a multi-millionaire. People tend to buy what they want, instead of what they need.
      For instance, I want a $100,000 sports car. I need a car to get to work. So I drive a car worht about $1000. If I have the $100,000 in the bank, I still get to keep $99,000. If I don’t then I avoid spending money that I don’t have and don’t want to borrow.
      Coupons. This is huge. there are three ways to pay for anything that you buy.

      (1) Cash ( Bad Idea, think Arnold Swarzenegger )
      (2) Credit Card ( Very Bad Idea , most are at 29.9%. They were locking up criminals 30 years ago for charging that much interest )
      (3) Use coupons wheneevr possible. That way you use less of your hard-earned money to buy whatever you want to buy.

      Full Price. Full Price should really be called Fool Price. Why pay the full price if you can get a discounted price, either by using Coupons or by watching for sales? if it’s discounted over 50%, I’ll buy it whether i need it or not. And I avoid buying anything that I will never use.

      There are over 2,000 commericals per day on TV telling you how to spend your money. Not one that tells you to save your money.

      Hope this helps. By the way, I probably made less money than you did last year.

  • Scott

    There’s a lot of discussion about whether or not the Internal Revenue Code is legal or not, applicable or not, ratified or not, and on and on. The “code” is absolutely perfect, as written IF it is applied properly. The next time you are having a chat with your accountant or attorney (people who are supposed to be soooooo knowledgeable about such things) ask him / her how section 83 of the IRC applies to your gross income….just my 2 cents worth.

  • Grover

    I have a personal friend who objected to paying income tax. The IRS hounded him and broke him financially. They attached his pay beyond what they are legally allowed and when he presented proof of the voluntary nature of the income tax to corporate attorneys they replied: “We are convincd but are not about to go against the IRS”. I for one am afraid to oppose them.

  • Earl

    It is voluntary. Where people get into trouble is that they enter into invisable contracts and subject themselves to the IRS code vountarily. Don’t give your S.S.# when getting I job. It’s not required by law. They will tell you it is and it won’t be easy but if you do your homework you will find that a S.S.# is not required by law for a job, a bank account or any other thing that you are doing when asked for it. If you can first get an acceptance leter first from a prospective employer to show they did find you qualified for the job. If they then refuse to hire for refusing a S.S.# you can get them on privacy act and other issues. Once you give the S.S.# you are now visable to the IRS. If you don’t give the S.S.# they can’t see you or your income. There is a lot more going on with other remedies but remember this one thing and you will never hear from the IRS again.

    • Marjorie

      There’s one little flaw with your plan. If the employer doesn’t withhold the taxes because he doesn’t have a SS# to reference it to, when he files his 941, guess who gets to pay the taxes that should have been deducted. Bingo! Maybe the employer could sue YOU for damages.

  • California Good Bye

    They come, they go and who remembers their names after their terms. They get their benefits of retirement and medical. We vote in November, we paid our taxes in April. Will we remember their names, no. It just goes on and on and not any of us has the nerve to stop it. It is a shame, that Rome lasted longer then the United States.

  • Ralph Mcc

    So just are we the people to do ?? as they say you can run but you can’t hide
    Really what is the average middle income couple to do ?? ( anyone )

  • Norm

    those tax dollars you pay go to the Federal Reserve for interest on the fed notes they give you , they are bankers not part of the government , there is never an audit of the fed and there is no real govt control
    the constitution says
    congress shall have the right to-
    To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

    To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

    the fed notes are unconstitutional!
    we don’t need a central bank
    we have not always had one
    the federal reserve is the third try and just as bad as the first two

  • http://LetsGetitStraight Ham

    For those Christians who read the Bible. Render unto Ceaser what is Ceaser’s. The first question we should ask is what is Ceasers? Does it not all belong to God? The nextthing we as Christians should ask ourselves is who or what is te ruler in Amrica? Is it the president or congress? Is it the people? What is the highest law of the land? I say it is the people who are the rulers and the Constitution is the highest law of the land. If the president and congress extort money from you it is no different than a thief with a gun extorting money from you. Resisting such extorton is not against God’s Word. Read deeper and understand how our country was formed and try to understand we a country ruled by laws and those are the laws God instituted for America. Presently we have criminals running our lives. We mus resist. God says to resit evil!

  • Lenny

    Someone once published a book called: “The Law That Never Was”
    Can’t remember the author but was about this fraud (IRS).

    It will soon be in God’s hands.

  • Dan

    First and foremost, you need to understand that we are no longer under the old laws but under commercial law. The UCC (Uniform Commercial Code) is the law of the land now, and all courts are commercial courts. This has been so since the United States declared bankruptsy (in the 30s I believe). That declaration of bankruptsy has never been rescinded, so we as a country are still in default to our creditors (foreign banks mostly). However, the UCC has a remedy. UCC 203 and UCC 207 allow citizens to reserve their rights (under Common Law). In essense, UCC 207 allows you to to reserve your rights not to be compelled to perform in a contract or a commercial agreement that you did not enter knowingly, admittedly, or intentionally, and that you do not accept the liability of the compelled benefit of any unrevealed contract or commercial agreement. This is the only out we have, and we have to be careful when going about it. You have to sign (or stamp) every signature you give with the words “Without Prejudice UCC 207″, or “All Rights Reserved UCC 207″. This shows that you reserve your rights under UCC 207. Failure to do this gives implied consent that you agree to abide by all the terms of the contract and accept unconditionally all the implied benefits. This is where the Social Security number comes in. The second you accept a SSN, without reserving your rights, you agree to abide by all the hidden requirements that go with a SSN (like paying taxes). Of course, failure to obtain, or by act, rescinding your SSN, can make life tough. You can still work, but you can’t get a bank account, or a credit card, most likely a driver’s license. You become a non-person so to speak. And what good is it if you can draw a paycheck, but can’t cash it. I know I have oversimplified this, but just Google Uniform Commercial Code, as well as UCC 207, and you will find a plethora of info on this subject.

  • Eric C

    First of all after reading some of these post, I would like to say watch, Freedom to Fascism. You hear it right from the horse’s mouth about the privately owned Federal Reserve. Congressmen and the head of the Federal Reserve who wrote the tax code. Paying federal income tax is VOLUNTARY not mandatory. However the ex head of the fed says that mandatory and voluntary are the same thing.
    The reason why people are convicted in court of not paying income tax is the lower courts will not allow Supreme Court decisions into court.
    If all courts are supposed to be in line with the Supreme Court rulings, then how can this happen. It is up to the jury to know the law and act accordingly, even over turning a judges or anyone else’s decision. The constriction gives us more power than the president or any other member of the government, most people do not realize this.
    As far as the case of AL Capone, I believe he was convicted because he ran a business and was convicted of not paying income tax on it.
    That is perfectly constitutional and legal; businesses are required to pay federal income tax. Individuals are not. Research it. I urge everyone to watch Aaron Russo’s Freedom To Fascism. Another excellent source of information about the fed is book by Edward Griffin The Creature From Jekyll Island you can find this book and the video on his website it’s under the Reality Zone section.
    About rendering unto Czar what is Czar’s, it never was his.
    What did Jesus do in the moneychanger’s temple; he didn’t give them a bailout that’s for sure
    These are the same people who orchestrated this current economic crisis, their push for a one-world government, a one world monetary system, so they can control it.
    Don’t listen to me do your own research. See for yourself

  • Dan

    The FEDERAL RESERVE and INCOME TAX came into being around 1913 and wasn’t fully ratified by a 2/3rd’s majority.We have all been screwed since then.Our Money was originaly supposed to be controlled by the TRESURY DEPT. and CONGRESS.The FEDERAL RESEVE is a Private Bank.Otherwise We would have interest free money.SUCKS HUH?One of the resons the REVOLUTIONARY WAR was fought was because of a centeral bank.The Bank of England Taxed the Money the Colonist were using.So Why aren’t We Rioting in the Streets?

  • Nick

    Mark is correct about the gospel, however when the government turns to tyranny then check what else God said.

  • Nick

    And Eric C. is also correct.
    “The wealth of the wicked is layed up for the righteous.”
    They will soon, (in His time) lose all and possibly salvation too.
    We can only believe and pray for His Righteousness to prevail, And It Will.
    Satan and his minions know their time is even shorter than it was when Satan was thrown down “like lightening.”

  • Wildmann

    You are not required to PAY the Tax. You ARE required to FILE a W2-4?[at tax time] You Don’t have to Pay, you Do Have to FILE. If ya don’t file, they’ve got ya. The I.R.S. is empowered, like the Kings tax collector, in Daze Of Olde, to use ANY legal means to Collect the Debt.—SO— Bury your Gold Silver etc. [Hard Coin], Swiss Francs, Kugerrands–whatever, and don’t tell anyone where. But FILE. Oh,– they will take your house and car, boat, whatever they can steal and sell, kinda like the neighborhood Crack Heads.

  • lynn

    the book cracken the code tells it all and there is no law to pay taxes look up the book on googles and its a good book . Its only the corrupt gov that says there is a tax to pay
    and on the 1040 form put at the bottom of the total non exempt employee .
    on most application s they say employee . your not a federal or gov employee cross out and put associate . you dont work for the gov they only pay taxes

  • Martha Pratt

    If anyone has a VERY old tax filing book, you will see on the front of the publication,
    ‘Filing this tax is voluntary’. You sure don’t see that printed on there today!
    Also, if you do some reasearch, taxes are imposed only on GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES,- not citizens at large. I do realize today that would be impractical, since gov has grown so large that only taxes from gov. employees would in NO WAY cover the expenses of the FEDERAL But if the gov. conducted their business as the founding Fathers had set up our gov to be, -and could get by with only the taxes paid by gov. employees, and the rest of the country paid State taxes to govern themselves, we would be in MUCH better shape! I have always said, ‘if the American people EVER, as a WHOLE, discover that they are NOT required to pay FEDERAL income taxes, – we will see a revolt such as this country has never seen’!!!!!!!
    WE HAVE BEEN LIED TO, BULLIED, and COERCED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Donna

    Check out “WE SURROUND THEM” at Gleen Becks home page!

  • Donna

    Sorry, that shold read Glenn Beck…take a moment, if possible, BEFORE March 13th

  • Ralph Mcc

    So once again ?? Just is a middle income couple to do ??
    pray ( yes )

  • 2FAT2FLY

    So, how about returning to a sensible form of taxation? Something both fair and equitable as was originally intended and would be expected to be found, as necessary, in a government of, by and for the people. Isn’t that a realistic solution? A form of taxation that encouraged people to work, knowing that they would be able to enjoy the fruits of their labor. A tax system that was fair for everyone, both rich and poor, would seem to be a better idea. Wouldn’t it be great if their were no I.R.S. and April 15th were just another spring day? How about a tax system that encouraged entrepreneurs, small businesses and corporations alike? A tax system that would encourage all the corporations to come back to the U.S. and bring their jobs with them would certainly stimulate the economy. Wouldn’t it be great if a new tax system could actually reverse our economic situation without putting us into debt for generations like the “Obummer” socialist stimulus plan? Such a plan exists and it is estimated that it would bring about 15 trillion in foreign investment to our shores. It would also attract another 6 to 8 trillion from offshore accounts. In addition it would create millions of new jobs. Economists predict that if it were implemented, it would create the biggest economic boom in the history of the world. The plan was designed with non-partisan participation and funding and it was developed over a period of years of study by some of the best minds in our country. It’s called the FairTax. It is not a flat tax. To the proponents of a flat tax, I only have one thing to say, “Our current tax system started out as a flat tax.” The FairTax Act was first submitted to Congress in 1998 or 1999. But for greedy politicians and lobbyists, it would already be law. Those that are currently gaming the tax system do not give in easily. The current system is used as both reward and punishment by those who control it. Guess who that is? It is time that the power went back to the people. The FairTax Act would put the power back into the hands of the people where it belongs. What are you waiting for? Go to and find out what all the excitement is about! Then call your congressmen and senators. Don’t take no for an answer! Well, you really do want to do something meaningful about our tax system, don’t you? Before you come up with something negative you have heard about the FairTax, try reading the two books that have been written about it. There is no substitute for being informed.

    • fred


      Could you please outline the major premises of The Fair
      Tax for us. It is my fear that anything coming from our current
      crop of legislators would not be “fair”. But, I would like to be
      proven wrong.

      If you would like please refer us to commentary, pro and con
      for the proposal.

      Thank you very much.


    • SC Wencotis

      Fair Tax is certainly better than the hydra monster IRS!

  • madjimp

    Having read what has been written and agreed with most of it... I DO have one major difference with just about all of you. That is when you refer to the money being of no value.
    Of course it has value,if you believe it has value.But more than that,our money has the words of great value on it. And,only our money does.
    "Then fight then we must,when our cause it is just, And this be our moto-In God Is Our Trust, And the Star-spangled banner forever let it wave,O'er the land of the FREE and the Home of the Brave"

    Francis Scott Key. In Jesus’ Name, AMEN

  • Warren

    All this stuff about “render unto Caesar…” is just a another cop-out
    to justify inaction. It is the duty of a citizen not to obey an unjust law to say nothing of one that doesn’t exist! It is absolutely true that there is no law requiring citizens to file income tax returns. Look in the law yourself, and read carefully. The government can’t compel you to file legally, because of the 4th and 5th Amendments, but it can coerce you to file by making you think that you have to and, enforce this notion with phony prosecutions that victims themselves agree to! And how about God and Mammon? We have all remained silent while our government has taken from us our asset money (gold and silver coin) and delivered to us our present system of debt money (federal reserve notes), from godly to ungodly. As a result, we, along with future generations, have been cast into debt by our own government and the money powers behind our federal reserve system. What is it the scripture says about debtors and lenders? and so, we have made ourselves the slaves of greed and avarice.

  • June Gagnon

    All of us, reading these postings, realize we’ve been “snookered” by our own government, for years! But, we’ve allowed it by either re-electing the same “crooks”, over and over again, or by not doing our “homework” before we cast our votes. There has been a movement, ongoing for several years now, to “abolish” the IRS and institute a “fair tax” – -that is a national sales tax; a “fair tax” would allow us to, personally decide, how much tax we do, or don’t pay, by controlling what we spend! So, why haven’t we forced “our” representatives to follow through? You do realize you can email, fax, phone, or write your “representatives” and tell them what you want, don’t you? Just remember- -you are the “employer”, the representative is the “employee”- -when employees don’t “perform”- -they are “fired”!!

    I was a Republican voter, for over 50 years and became so disenchanted (enraged) with the recent performances, by our so- called government, that I’ve re-registered as an Independent and plan to stay that way. I email the “impostor”, currently occupying the oval office (almost every day), to tell him exactly what I think of his ultra-radical, liberal, communist/socialist agenda and the fact that he lies, every time he opens his mouth. I just pray the majority of American voters, who were conned into electing him, wise up quickly and impeach, or recall the radical trio that is trying to destroy the USA!!

    • fred

      Hello June

      I appreciated your comments and your sincere desire to
      find a solution to The Federal Income Tax. However, in your
      haste you have overlooked the major flaw in the so-called
      National Sales Tax or as some call it, The Fair Tax.

      Here’s the problem, and we must see it in terms of the concept
      of Federalism, which our Constitutional scholars intended. The
      idea was to severely limit the power of the Federal Government
      by granting only limited power (very little was granted–READ YOUR
      After you have read it and studied it you will realize that all powers
      not specifically granted to the Federal Government were reserved
      specifically to the states and this includes the power to raise their own
      revenues within the states.

      Why would you want to allow the Federal Government to tax you 22 to 25
      percent on everything you buy and then use that money to redistribute it as
      it sees fit? Think about it. We should never approve of such a scheme.
      When will we learn how unwise it is to substitute one scheme with another
      potentially worse. We simply must do 2 things. Eliminate The Federal Income
      Tax and The Federal Reserve System in one fell swoop thus allowing each state
      to fend for itself as per Art. 10 of The Constitution.. Freedom and Liberty will
      result and our jails will be full of government officials who have served for only
      their self interest and have legislated unrighteously never understanding their
      commitment to the Constitution or choosing to ignore it.
      Freedom is not free! Our founders paid for ours or what remain of it with their
      blood and sacred honor sacrificing all they had for their vision.

  • ken strolle

    I dont understand why nobody checks all the congress menbers, we all know that they all have hidden money. thats why they spend 1 or 2 million $ dollars to make $173,000; a year. we know that they are stealing at the lest 1millon or 5 mill a year just so they can survive. Everbody knows this!!!
    The republicans still only stand for two things. Take from the poor and middle
    class and give to the rich and let it trickial down; Thay are still bushing for the
    the rich only. Number 2 they are still treating the people like Dumpes. They show they don’t care about anything but them self and the rich., hopeing that the president fail’s. They say they are republicans. and christians. The old testament is about fear guilt and jugment. Where the new testment is about love and forgiveness for each
    other and one self !! Which can give our brain more space too grow!!

  • http://donthaveone Mark

    Our government is the perfect example of how money corrupts people. Almost every organization that accumulates mass amounts of money, greed and corruption follow. I guess that is why the Bible states that “it is easier to thread a camel through an eye of a needle, than for a rich man to inherit the kingdom of Heaven”. Not that it is bad to be rich, because is isnt. Its just that when most people get that way, their money becomes their god, their most important thing, the thing they strive for, and they lose sight of the real God. Man cannot serve both God and Money. Again, it is not wrong to be rich, but it is wrong not to be a good steward of what God has given you. If you look at both individuals and companies and governments that have accumulated mass amounts of money, way more than not, you will find mass amounts of greed and corruption, and from very few of them will you find those that even give God back 10 percent of what they have. Its all God’s, but so few of us recognize it. Its even to the point that I would be fearful if I bought a lottery ticket and won millions of dollars, as to what effect it would have on me. I would like to think I would give most of it away and help out many others, but until that money is yours, you really dont know what it will do to you.

  • Robert Lewis

    I’ve heard of this many times and there was a recent court decision that a man’s pay is an exchange of his time for money, rather than, “income”. However, I’m not ready to face the years of fighting an enemy with virtually unlimited resources. I guess one could say that I’m intimidated.

  • Dee

    It seems to me that a good percentage of people charged with “tax time” are charged because they falsified info on taxes they did file, or neglected filing business rather than personal tax claims.

    • fred

      You are correct. This is a good argument for not filing
      or by filing only a return that corrects a false return
      by a 3rd party employer, bank, broker, etc.
      Please visit Pete Hendrickson’s website,losthorizons.
      com. for a thrilling expose that will guide you to the truth.


  • Ray

    I read with great interest, the views offered by all the “informed” citizens. I have one thing to add. Have we all forgotten the reason the United States Of America was created? 233 years ago, our forefathers (and mothers), fought a revolution for, of all insane reasons, “Taxation Without Representation”. Who in this country, aside from the “entitled ones”, feel they are being fairly represented by our elected officials? I do not. I am forced to work for the money I receive, an agreement I do not take issue with, while an ever increasing number of Americans (and illegal aliens) have figured out how to get money without working. Unfortunately these people will eventually become the majority, and there will not be enough of “Us” to cover them. Will enough people be prepared to take a stand against this growing problem before this country faces another revolution? I urge everyone who shares my views to prepare themselves for the inevitable, for we will not be facing an enemy from across an ocean, we will be fighting every recipient of govornment program assistance, who do not wish to lose thier “free ride”. It IS coming people, get ready.

  • Alf

    I’m in agreement with many of you who are advocates for term limits for all politicians. There should be, however, new rules applied to the totally outlandish retirement and healthcare payouts that accompany those who leave office.
    I suggest that they receive social security and medicare credits indexed to the timeserved, andsimilar to what we as taxpayers get when we leave our jobs via retirement or employer downsizing .Also, there should be an exit review system , which would allow the voters for that politician to grade his work while in office to determine if, in fact, that retired politician should get any of these benefits. Crooks and liars would be disallowed to collect. Also, all money collected for election campaigns and not used for that single election of one politician would HAVE TO BE TURNED OVER to the US treasury or state /local treasury depending on the jurisdiction of the office pursued.

  • June Gagnon

    If any of you, out there, want to email the imposter, send it to: – - -you’ll get an automated response from his “correspondence team”. Just maybe, if enough of us do this, he’ll begin to “re-think” his motives/agenda/actions, with the full realization that we really “are watching” – - -we can only hope!

  • hiway280z

    Bible was written by men. How ever it was God who inspired them what to write. Some even said they had no idea what they were writing. They were told it was not to be known at that time but would be known at the time chosen by God.
    You have a choice to believe or not to believe. When God made man and woman he gave them free choice. If you make the wrong choice then you pay the price.
    If people followed just the ten commandments the world would be a better place.
    I made my choice and seems you made yours and that is okay. The way it should be as that is what God wanted, us to make our choice.

  • Albert

    A little off the topic but I cannot understand why anyone would believe our votes are counted as cast.

  • Lee

    Capone died from syphilis of the brain, called “Paresis” .

  • Chuck

    Here’s one plan: On April 1, 2009, all Americans are asked to send a TEABAG to Washington, D.C. You do not have to enclose a note or any other info unless you desire. Just a teabag. Many cities are organizing protests, If you simply search “New American Tea Party”, several sites will come up. If you aren’t the ‘protester’ type, simply make your voice heard with a teabag. Your one voice will become a roar when joined with millions of others that feel the same way Why April 1?? We want them to reach Washington by April 15. Send it to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., Washington, D.C. 20500. One more thing. Do a Google search for Executive Orders and look for “The FEMA list of Presidential Executive Orders”. You should find a list of #10995 thru 11005 and 12919. Just an idea of what is coming in the event Martial Law is declared {like after a terrorist attack}.

  • fred

    I really don’t want this discussion to end because
    people can really rally around political fraud and
    we don’t like being scammed. Hopefully someone
    will have more ideas about how to get this monkey
    (taxes) off our backs short of revolution. If that should
    occur I seriously hope and pray that we have been
    listening to Bob Livingston and have prepared our
    homes with of variety of storable food items.
    Along with physical gold and silver food could be used
    for barter durimng a crisis.
    May I pose the question–who is richer, the person having
    millions in silver or gold or the one who can feed his family?
    If any of you would like perhaps we could share some ideas
    about the steps you have taken or know about that would
    shortcut the famine prospect. Also, who knows how to use
    the sun or the wind inexpensively to power their home or car?


  • dbo

    the only solution to lifetime crooked politicians is term limitation. Joe Biden has been in Washinton for the better part of 30 yrs being a “public servant”. what a joke.
    he had 50 million $ invested with that Bernie Madoff wanabe Stratford . how does a public servant amass that kinf of fortune? sounds more like the public has been serving Biden.

  • John Bisceglia

    I’m just thankful that this year the Exalted Heterosexuals of America will be paying more taxes now that many gays have decided that we do not have any obligation to a THEOCRACY.

    Once Americans wake up and decide that we ARE equal and INCLUDE us in family law we will be happy to INCLUDE our income tax. Not a penny until then!

  • Easyas123

    In answer to #44…I was told to use “UCC 1-308. Performance or Acceptance Under Reservation of Rights.
    (a) A party that with explicit reservation of rights performs or promises performance or assents to performance in a manner demanded or offered by the other party does not thereby prejudice the rights reserved. Such words as “without prejudice,” “under protest,” or the like are sufficient.

    It worked for me on a trafficic ticket. When I heard from them the charges had been dismissed. That was a couple of years ago. The above is from the Cornel Law School. I think they have the latest version.

    When you get a new driver’s license, you can sign it “Without prejudice UCC 1-308″. They will probably never notice…if and when you get stopped and get a ticket, the police always want you to sign for it. Just sign what is on the license. If he asks you why you didn’t sign your name, just tell him that your attorney told you to sign it that way. Signing it that way automatically voids the ticket….NICE!! Even if your signature is on the drivers license, you can still sign the ticket as above and it is voided.

  • carrroll wilson

    It’s interesting to see the reactions of the people. We all know that the president at present is not going to change what he has promised. There’s going to be a lot of people living on the streets. I’m sure there are quit a few already. I’ve been listening to the news hour after hour about the AIG company and the government can’t do anything to stop them so they say. The congress doesn’t care about the people out here I see that in thier atitudes on TV. They should be on the streets like we are maybe then they would understand. They wouldn’t last a week. at the rate things are going now having a place to live will be a thing of the past.

  • Mike A. (LA)

    You know? Why does the government collect taxes anyway cause all they have to do is print more!!! Isn’t that what there doing to bail out all these companies?

  • kyril

    Due to this outrageous set of circumstances, we need to implement the “Fair Tax” immediately because obviously these elected officials are clueless rubes feeding at the public trough. If these clowns/jokers had to pay their fair share, there would be no defficit. If you don’t know what the Fair Tax is about, a google search or a Wikipedia search will enlighten you beyond whatever you were afraid to ask for. Be warned though, there are plenty of detractors from this tax concept. Mainly corrupt individuals who stand to lose if enacted. The only ones who bennifit from the existing tax code is pollititions, tax lawyers, lobbyests and those who don’t pay taxes.

  • Steve S.

    I think it would be wise of all of us to take a look at the structure of the Soviet SOCIALIST Republic of Russia…. It was set up to have an eliet group at the top of society // No Middle Class // and the rest of the people.

    If the Democrate/Liberal agenda is to be reached they will have to do the things we see today…. Pass legislation with no regard to we the people // Silence the Media (Rush Limbaugh) // Remove weapons from the people (Gun Control). Oh and of course we can’t have a GOD because Government is the answer to all things.

    Once these actions are put into place we can then take our place amongst the other countries of the world who have never enjoyed our freedoms but have alway critisized our ways.

    Semper FI

  • Madashell

    The first thing our politicians need to remember is they were elected to WORK FOR US, not the other way around. Term limitations needs to be on the next federal voting ballot for Americans to vote on. If it should pass a law needs to be ratified right along with our decision of term limitations that politicians can not seek to overturn the will of the public. The perks our elected officials have given themselves is revolting enough. One perk is their rental vehicles. We pay the rent, gasoline, insurance and upkeep for these vehicles. Charlie Rangle rents a Cadillac SUV at our cost. Their retirement and health insurance should also be voted on by the voting public. Our elected officials need to be required to receive Social Security and Medicare and any 401K that opt to get for themselves. You can bet they would rapidly fix Social Security. I refused Medicare and have elected to stay on my husband’s health insurance, well guess what, I’m being punished by my government, compounded each year that I do not sign up for Medicare Part B. Isn’t this a little backward? Shouldn’t I be rewarded for not costing the taxpayer for my health insurance. I have made the decision of never signing up for Part B and they can stick it! How many other politicians owe taxes and are not stepping up to the plate? I once owed income taxes and had an agreement with the IRS to make payments, which I did. I had three payments left to pay off this tax and the IRS attached my checking account without first givng me the opportunity to pay the final 3 payments. How do you think I feel today when Charlie Rangle, who helped write some of the tax codes, didn’t pay tax on his Bahama rental units. What did he say…oh yes….I didn’t know I had to pay tax on that money. That’s as stupid as saying…..Turbotax prompt me if I owed past taxes. People we had better stand up for America or we are going to lose it. Socialism is defined in the dictionary as the step from capitalism to communism!

    • Madashell

      Ooops meant to say Turbotax didn’t prompt me…….

  • L.

    I just received this in the mail and lists all (?) of the taxes we have to pay!
    Disgusting! Next they’ll be taxing the air we breathe!
    Taxes! This brings it all into perspective .
    Be sure to read all the way to the end!

    The Tax Poem

    Tax his land,
    Tax his bed,
    Tax the table
    At which he's fed.

    Tax his tractor,
    Tax his mule,
    Teach him taxes
    Are the rule.

    Tax his work,
    Tax his pay,
    He works for peanuts
    Tax his cow,
    Tax his goat,
    Tax his pants,
    Tax his coat.
    Tax his ties,
    Tax his shirt,
    Tax his work,
    Tax his dirt.

    Tax his tobacco,
    Tax his drink,
    Tax him if he
    Tries to think.

    Tax his cigars,
    Tax his beers,
    If he cries
    Tax his tears.

    Tax his car,
    Tax his gas,
    Find other ways
    To tax his ass.

    Tax all he has
    Then let him know
    That you won't be done

    When he screams and hollers;
    Then tax him some more,
    Tax him till
    He's good and sore.
    Then tax his coffin,

    Tax his grave,
    Tax the sod in
    Which he's laid.

    Put these words
    Upon his tomb,
    Taxes drove me
    to my doom...'

    When he's gone,
    Do not relax,
    Its time to apply
    The inheritance tax.
    Till he has no dough.

    When he screams and hollers;
    Then tax him some more,
    Tax him till
    He's good and sore.
    Then tax his coffin,

    Tax his grave,
    Tax the sod in
    Which he's laid.

    Put these words
    Upon his tomb,
    Taxes drove me
    to my doom...'

    When he's gone,
    Do not relax,
    Its time to apply:
    The inheritance tax

    Accounts Receivable Tax
    Building Permit Tax
    CDL license Tax
    Cigarette Tax
    Corporate Income Tax
    Dog License Tax
    Excise Taxes
    Federal Income Tax
    Federal Unemployment Tax
    Fishing License Tax
    Food License Tax
    Fuel Permit Tax
    Gasoline Tax
    (currently 44.75 cents per gallon)
    Gross Receipts Tax
    Hunting License Tax
    Inheritance Tax
    Inventory Tax
    IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties
    (tax on top of tax)
    Liquor Tax
    Luxury Taxes
    Marriage License Tax
    Medicare Tax
    Personal Property Tax
    Property Tax
    Real Estate Tax
    Service Charge T ax
    Social Security Tax
    Road Usage Tax
    Sales Tax
    Recreational Vehicle Tax
    School Tax
    State Income Tax
    State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
    Telephone Federal Excise Tax
    Telephone Federal Universal Service
    Fee Tax
    Telephone Federal, State and Local
    Surcharg Taxes
    Telephone Minimum Usage Sur¬charge=
    2 0Tax
    Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring
    Telephone State and Local Tax

    Telephone Usage Charge Tax
    Utility Taxes
    Vehicle License Registration Tax
    Vehicle Sales Tax
    Watercraft Registration Tax
    Well Permit Tax
    Workers Compensation Tax


    Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, and our nation was the most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middleclass in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.

    What in the hell happened?

    Can you SPELL 'politicians?'

    And I still have to 'press 1' for English!?

    I hope this goes around THE USA at LEAST a 100 times!!!

    YOU can help it get there!!!


  • DL

    The Bible says to render to ceasar what is ceasars. He says to obey the laws of the land…..point is it is not a commandment. We have speed limit laws, if we speed we get a ticket. We are not going to hell for a speeding violation….It is not a sin, period. We just pay the earthly consequences. Simple as that.

    PS. ceasar is a glutton, that is a sin.

  • Steve

    Hmmm, I do believe the federal income tax is unconstitutional however the problem now starts with accountability and the limitation of the people to enforce their will on the government.

    How can you vote someone out of office when there is no one else to vote for? simple, you can’t.

    How do you refuse to pay an illegal tax or stop an illegal government action? simple, you can’t – at least not alone and without physical violence. Which brings me to another point, you can resist arrest legally if the arrest is itself illegal, however you cannot resort to the use of deadly force legally – they can. Also the possibility of you proving the arrest is illegal is very slim at best, especially if they have a tax warrant or some other court order to take you into custody.

    How do you convince a judge, who is part of the system – since he/she is trained by the system, that you have the right to resist government control of your personal actions and monies? Simple, You can’t unless you have a lawyer who has influence with the judge in the court hearing cases on the docket you are summoned on.

    There was a reason that our founding fathers limited the ability of government (especially the federal government) to levy and collect taxes – it was to keep the government in check as they realized that a government who was dependent upon the people for its operating funds could be controlled by the people, hence the reason these limitations existed and our country was so prosperous. It was a time when people could truly get ahead and build not only personal but family wealth as well, among having the ability to enjoy the most free form of living available on the planet – that is the dream and “legend” that most people come here for. I’ve heard a growing number of foreigners in developed countries comment that Americans are no longer free, maybe that is why we only see the bulk of immigration coming from under-developed third-world countries where the corruption is actually worse.

    So this brings me to the ultimate question; how do you push back on a government that has gone out of control and is no longer being held accountable to the people. The only answer that has ever resulted in success (throughout recorded history) is an outright revolution. Protests do nothing against a government who believes they are no longer accountable to you. If someone has a better yet equally effective solution, I would love to hear it as I am now waiting in anticipation of the first state to succeed from the United States Socialist Republic, as I will certainly be on the side of the succession, unless of course someone has an effective way to change things back to the way our founding fathers intended without the need for violence.

    I personally think that all members of our current government – at all levels – should be arrested and tried for high treason, for which there would be very few exceptions or acquitals. The laws should also be changed that require judges to be lawyers so that we can truly return to a judge and/or jury of our peers. A judges position is a public office that ANYONE should be permitted to hold – as it was in the days of the founding fathers. Lawyers should also be barred from serving in any legislative body that creates laws. Of course these solutions do not address the immediate need to return control of the government to the people – still looking for REAL solutions, not CHANGE being shoveled down our throats.

    • Steve

      Maybe a start would be for the 50 states to ban together and repeal the 16th Amendment since it was never properly ratified anyway. The concern here is that the states are so dependent on federal funds now that it is totally improbable that anyone having the power to bring this about who is currently in office would be willing to present this issue in light of the current “economic crisis”. I would dare believe that this single action alone would have an immediate and profound positive affect not only on the nations economic situation but also would put those in office on notice that the American people are fed up and the current “tea-parties” that they scoffed at were not merely a political statement of inconsequence but a prelude of things to come should they continue to ignore the will of the people that the governement return to self restraint, accountability, and the ideals of those who founded our great nation.

  • moore gade

    this is tragid.

  • http://donthaveone Mark

    Because you cant beat Uncle Sam. Rooselvelt implemented income tax as a temporary fix to raise money for the World War. Once the government saw how much money it was bringing in, it remained. Any place you work will not allow you to not have taxes taken out, so some people do things like claiming 18 dependants. Now your in trouble, because you broke federal law by lying on your tax returns. But Federal income tax was never ratified, never made a law, but in the current system there is no way out of it, because the lawyers, judges, and government are all in cahoots together, and going up against them, even though they are clearly in violation of law, you cant beat them. However, looking at it on a Godly level, the scriptures do say, “if the government says pay taxes, then pay taxes”. So I would interpret that, that if we dont pay the taxes we are told to pay, that we are going against God’s word, and I dont really want to box with him, because my arms arent long enough.

  • Jim

    Federal Income tax has only been with us for about 100 years. It funds the military, police and fire departments, and the seemingly endless list of Federal Government departments which are not funded from other sources. the idea that the U.S. gets everything for free is ludicrous. What hardware company or steel mill would sell the U.S. tools or metals for tanks and aircraft without payment? They would quickly go broke. Go ahead, don’t pay your taxes. You will soon be living in Governemnt funded housing, behind locked prison doors. And if you are not enough of a patriot to pay for the military forces that defend you, why don’t you get the heck out of the U.S. and stay out.

  • phdpete

    I wonder how many congressman and senators are caught up in the UBS offshore accounts. Al Capone went to jail for income tax evasion. You can bet 52,000 acounts have at least 1 million dollars per account. The money should be confiscated by the IRS and used to pay down the debt. Any elected officials on the list should be thrown out of office.

  • Aman

    Robin, it’s called “let’s make a deal”. Unfortunately though, Capone died from something else. What was that something else? And no cheating!

  • http://personallibertydigest andy

    and how many times has someone said your being obsessive over whats going on?
    i have been told that everyday for the pas two years at least…

  • Bob

    If you are young and not a Liberal you don’t have a heart,
    If you are old and not a Conservative you don’t have a brain.
    Winston Churchill

  • fred

    I can’t blame you for being angry and even frustrated.
    But please don’t blame someone who has seen the light
    about whether or not he must pay a tax that doesn’t apply
    to him. Like so many others get educated and takle a stand for


  • Gail White

    Capone died from VD, namely syphillis

  • Lawrence Leeds

    It doesn’t matter what Al Capone died from. He went to Alcatraz for “Tax Evasion”. That is the topic.

  • David

    a sexually transmitted disease he contracted in his youth, syphilis

  • Aman

    End of story!

  • http://personallibertydigest andy

    no more it is

  • Aman

    Corruption and injustice indeed! Let’s start with two for certain NY Mayor and multi billionair Michael ” I want another term” Blowberg and congressman Charlie “the red” Rangel

  • mewzik

    Voters DID demand term limits, several years back, and Members of Congress SUED (and won) to overturn the people’s will. That is the day we lost government of the people, by the people and for the people. God help us.

  • Dawn

    What do we expect of a country run by lawyers? Ever heard of the missing original 13th Amendment, that read:

    “If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive, or retain, any title of nobility or honor, or shall, without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince, or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them.”

    This would, among other things, make it illegal for attorneys (Esquire) to hold office, wouldn’t it? Possibly would prevent foreign ownership of banks or land, and NAFTA might be illegal. I’m no Constitutional law expert, but it seems this could free us from the establishment of lawyers and bankers that currently have a stranglehold on us all.

    A certified copy of the Constitution from the State of Maine Archives, dated 1825, shows this amendment. It appeared in official state and territorial documents until 1868, when the Colorado Territory printed a copy of the US Constitution with this Amendment in it. There is some dispute over whether the Amendment was ratified, but given the great benefit it could provide us, it seems worthwhile to pursue it.

  • Dick C

    I’m 76 years young, retired military, and really can’t understand why the younger generation cannot see that our total system of life is being destroyed from the foundation up.
    The youngsters seem to think that it’s the government that should provide for them now that they have left the nest. They “need” free college tuition, “need” increased minimum wage, “need” free medical care etc. etc. etc. Not realizing that this is called Socialism, and the more you get from government, the more individual control you give to government. And someone that filled their own needs by hard work and careful control of their assets, will end up paying for it.

  • Terri

    Do we really need to have them audited to find out if they’re in it for the buck? It’s common knowledge that all politicians are nothing more than liars and thieves. I rest my case.

  • Grover

    The Bible says “render unto Caesar (The Gov’t.) that which is Caesar’s”. I don’t deny that, but if the Gov’t has no law compelling us to pay incme taxes, are we sinning if we choose to NOT pay?

  • Myron

    Amen Mark!

  • http://LetsGetitStraight Ham

    For those Christians who read the Bible. Render unto Ceaser what is Ceaser’s. The first question we should ask is what is Ceasers? Does it not all belong to God? The next thing we as Christians should ask ourselves is who or what is the ruler in America? Is it the president or congress? Is it the people? What is the highest law of the land? I say it is the people who are the rulers and the Constitution is the highest law of the land. If the president and congress extort money from you it is no different than a thief with a gun extorting money from you. Resisting such extorton is not against God’s Word. Read deeper and understand how our country was formed and try to understand we as a country are ruled by laws and those are the laws God instituted for America. Presently we have criminals running our lives. We must resist. God says to resit evil!

  • Andy

    The bible said render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasars We don’t have a King or Emporer

  • ChuckD

    A Better way to accomplish this is do the same thing as the illegals do, one that the IRS and our Government accepts, and that is use a phony SSN#. The illegals do this everyday and are hired, even by State and local Governments. Just remember to pay your $100.00 and get your phony Drivers license and Id card, give a phony address like they do to keep yourself hidden. Now just like them, you don’t have to pay anymore taxes. Oh yes, tell your employer that you have 9 kids also.

  • fred

    How courageous and intelligent. we are not
    pawns but we have the ability to think rationally
    and to act accordingly.


  • Michelle

    Dear Dick,

    I am half you age and couldn’t agree more with you. I was raised to work hard and “earn” my own way in life not stand with my hand out waiting for someone else to support me.

    I find it frustrating that I go without to put away my 10% every week for my retirement and have an administration in Washington DC that doesn’t pay attention to the stock market. I guess I wouldn’t pay attention to the stock market if I was on the taxpayer retirement program with a guaranteed $3,000 a month at retirement for serving one-term in Congress.

  • Larry A. Hollis

    I remember that decision, but there is one thing left for the people to do, and that is try and get enough people to fill the streets in Washington, demaining for Term Limits!!! If that could be done!!! Which I dought! You are so right about our rights as people to vote on anything other than what the Thugs in Washington Wants to shove down our throats. I suppose there is one thing we as the people can do, when their terms is up, turn the BUMBS out to pastures, REMEMBER THEM AS IF THEY HAVE YELLOW FEVER!!! When it comes time for Reelection!!! I’m not saying all of them are BUMBS, we do have a few that is trying to do a good job for the people

  • Robert

    I’m young (33) and conservative. Being intelligent requires thinking with ones brain. Thinking with ones heart leads one off a cliff, which is apparently where we are headed. Remember the old story of the pied piper leading the rats off the cliff. Yeah.

  • Mike

    A man of sixteen who is conservative has no heart; a man of sixty who is not conservative has no head.

    Benjamin Disraeli

  • Dick C

    Actually it’s getting to where the people can vote on something in an election, and figure it’s going to happen.
    But now more and more the people vote something in or out, and the special interest groups challenge it in court, and the law the people voted on is made null by some liberal judge.
    Case in point the law in California regarding Gay Marriage is being challenged in court and may be deemed unconstitutional. Or Minnesota where Coleman won on election day, and it’s still in the courts being hashed out. Most people want the immigration laws to be enforced as written, which would solve the problem but special interests and liberal judges are against that, we are violating their civil rights if we hold illegal immigrants to the letter of the law.
    And it goes on, and on, and on in the name of “Fairness”

  • Myron

    Why would anyone pay 300 or so million dollars to achive a 400K job? Obama and all others prior to him ponied up the big ones. Power, control, golden parachute retirement,(the same as the execs they persecute in the hearings)and free lifetime healthcare.

  • http://donthaveone Mark

    Well, according to the scriptures, which I hold personally as God’s word to us, it says “all authority on earth is placed there by God, so therefore abide in it”. So to me, if I am under authority placed by God, then so be it, because they are legally elected government officials. Now if we had an illegal government, say some group came in here and did a military hostile take over like in some 3rd world countries, then no, I would not be compelled to follow their instructions, as they would be an illegitimate government. In so far as ours being a legal government, therefore placed there by God, them taxing us is illegal according to the laws they have set up, but the repercussion of going against it isnt worth the penalty you will have to pay. If it would be a sin to not pay it, I dont really know. On the surface, it appears to be going against Gods word, but them taxing us is illegal so Im blury on it, but I know I dont want to face them on it.

  • fred

    This is a great discussion about the legitimacy of The federal Income TAX
    as it applies ( or doesn’t) to people living in a state and making moneythere.
    Also, the reference to “rendering unto Caesor” has been often misquoted.
    I would like all of us to realize that there are real laws and there are regulations and misinterpretations constantly given by the IRS. As of today
    and because of US Supreme Court decisions given both before and after
    so-called ratification of The 16th Amendment, someone working in a private
    non-federal occupation makes no income or wages as defined both by The
    US Supreme Ct. and by the IRCode. On the other hand, as others have said
    here in this discussion , because the Tax has been foisted upon us and
    because we have unwittingly volunteered to be taxed many corrupt forces
    have combined against the common people to the point that most continue to volunteer payment. For the full story of perhaps the world’s greatest hoax
    please visit the family gaurdian site and then for much
    fuller and scolarly presentations of the whole story. Only by studying out this
    subject and getting factual information will you come to a true understanding.
    Good luck,


  • Steve

    The Bible says “render unto Caesar (The Gov’t.) that which is Caesar’s”. I believe this means give Caesar nothing, but one can not say, “give Caesar nothing” without incuring the wrath of Caesar (The Gov’t), therefore, “render unto Caesar (The Gov’t.) that which is Caesar’s”.

    I agree with Bob Livingston. If you (TeresaE) find it very unlikely to impossible to believe Bob, then do your own research on the web or in the library. Read Black’s law definition of Income,now and what it was 50 years ago ( of course you’ll have to find an old copy).


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  • jason

    PLEASE PEOPLE WAKE UP!!!!!!!! The bible is not the word of god its the word of man.It was written by men at different times and each book was chosen by “man” and some were not chosen. So who gets to choose what the word of god is. Im not sure you people even think about how the bible was created before u start quoteing from it. No one knows how our universe came into exsistince whether it was “gOD” the big bang or the most probable explanation we have not discovered the anwser yet,but we will and for that to happen we need to keep searching for the anwser. U want proof from bob before u stop paying your taxes, Why don’t u want proof before u devote your whole life to a MAN-MADE BOOK

  • Ruth Rose

    Because, as you say, there are lots of perks that come with the “territory.” In addition, the president did not pay out 300 million for the job: It was all the people he mesmerized that put that amount into the “pot”, so to speak. Just think what the spouse and children get out of it; llifetime of $$$-security and secret service coverage (if anyfhing happens to the prez). To say nothing of the possible book offers, speaking offerings, tht will never come along for a plain old senator. Think of the POWER, Power, and more power!

  • Ruth Rose

    I wrote a reply and it somehow got under an entry other than I wanted — this is where I wanted it to go. BUT I don’tant to have to retype it. Sorry. Ruth

  • Ross

    Federal Income Tax has only been around since the 30s. Research the creation of money and you will learn that the Government creates money out of thin air. So when it pays for things it is indeed ” not paying for them” . Local taxes pay for fire and police not Federal taxes. Many people don’t pay federal or in some states State income tax. Most are self imployed. The reason is their is no law requiring one to pay. It’s true. But your employer is not going to put his business on the line to test this theory.
    If your taxes go to pay for abortions, foreign enemies and dictators, to indoctrinate children to the socialist agenda, to pay people to sit home and have too much time on their hands so they can do drugs,gamble ,sell drugs. should you,does God want you to pay taxes? Or are you part of the problem?

  • Lawrence Leeds

    Did you say in your comment that go ahead and don’t pay your taxes and you will yourself in a gov’t funded house such as jail. I don’t think your statement applies to Politicans. Especially Democrats, afterall Harry Reid commented that it was a “Common Mistake”.

  • Chrir

    Lighten up Jim and grow a set.

  • http://yahoo derwayne

    well its not about our military of course we love our military and we know we fund them praise GOD for this. These people are talking about a goverment that is supposed to be for our people but they take more than they give, we are talking about a goverment that breaks thier own laws and gets by with it and punishes us if we break them.We are talking about a goverment that says they are going to war for this reason and we find out later how many people got rich off it and it wasnt even the real reason they told us they were going for. If by your wildes dreams you cant see what this goverment really does behind our backs or you are not willing to see the truth for what it is then you are the one that needs to ask GOD for guidence. GOD bless you

  • fred

    Sorry anyone believing paying taxes is legal and commendable is not correct.
    Further, the taxes do not fund anything of value like the military. As Bob Livingston has stated

    the tax was created to regulate an economy flooded with Federal
    Reserve Notes which are debts created out of thin air. In fact, when you
    sigh your check for taxes and it comes back you will notice that the funds
    have gone to guess who, The Illlegal and Unconstitutional Federal Reserve.

    In truth you have been deceived into believing as most people have that
    you are doing your patriotic duty to support the government by paying
    “your taxes” Please get educated and quit trying to put a guilt trip on those who have superior knowledge and who have been willing to stick their necks
    out by following the law.

  • Phil

    Jim replied:


    Federal Income tax has only been with us for about 100 years. It funds the military, police and fire departments, and the seemingly endless list of Federal Government departments…

    We do have responsibilities to maintain our federal gov’t. But, our gov’t has extended far beyond what the constitution allows. The federal gov’t’s roles are 3-fold – 1. To defend against enemies foreign or domestic. 2. regulate inter- and intra-state trade and 3. treaties with other nations.

    At what point do we say enough is enough? Is a tax revolt in order? How can we rein in this ever increasing encroachment of the federal gov’t? We do have the power to vote members of Congress out of office. But, please show me where we have responsibly voted in the past several years and when has Congress acted responsibly to the citizenry. The Congress works for us NOT the other way around.

  • Mike

    The federal income tax doesn’t even cover the interest on the national debt anymore. Two-thirds of what the government collects comes from tariffs and, of course, just printing it. Consider the words of Congressman Ron Paul:

    "Strictly speaking, it probably is not necessary for the federal government to tax anyone directly; it could simply print the money it needs. However, that would be too bold a stroke, for it would then be obvious to all what kind of counterfeiting operation the government is running. The present system combining taxation and inflation is akin to watering the milk: too much water and the people catch on."

  • fred


    You speak with a lot of feeling. Please get educated and
    transfer your wrath against the true culprits–The Fed and
    The IRS. We got along fine in this country for most of our existense
    by using legitimate excise taxes and we kept our federal government
    small. We don’t need big government and big intern ational banking
    to provide us all the sercvices you mentioned.

    Good luck.


  • fred

    Thank you Ham

    So well said. You are a true warrior.


  • June

    strong text So how does a citizen take action? Voting has not helped.
    We get one crook after the other. After a few weeks they are influenced by the perks and gains.
    Is it true that a one term Senator gets retirement and health care for himself and his family for LIFE,

  • fred


    You are an educated man who has taken the trouble to
    educate yourself. Please be happy and be peaceful.


  • fred

    I am so thrilled to be here with so many right thinking
    and educated people.


  • fred

    Your 2 cents worth is really worth a lot more.


  • fred

    You are exposing the trickery we have been
    bombarded by. Than k you for your comments
    and for your great analysis.

  • nichfinder

    When you look about at the income tax debacle, remember, you must file. But what you file and how you file become the variables. How far do you want to go with this? Read “Cracking the Code” and look at – you can take an
    entire lifetime to learn all that they provide. Happy reading.

  • Dale

    It is interesting that the top sponsors of fairness and equality in the government are the very ones that are the most unfair, unjust, and self-focused people in America.
    What caught my attention is the fact that 1/3 of the Democratic Presidential Cabinet appointees did not pay taxes until nominations became evident.

    You better believe that the government leadership now defines ‘reaching out to the other side’ as ‘I will listen to you then do what I planned anyhow’ and that campaign promises (many broken already) were just to gain power and control and money. Campaign, “my administration will not have any earmarks” (only 9000 payoffs)”. “I will support Israel” (until elected then I will give much money to Hamas so they can destroy Israel). “I respect the sanctity of life” (later I will spin life as those who want good health with stem cell research and kill babies even after they come out of the womb if not wanted by the mother – there is a lot of money potential here).

    Campaign: “No more politics as usual!” (More than usual – let’s control the airways, discredit people that disagree, control companies more tightly, federalize health care, banking, and control every facet of your life — God I love lobster and steaks, give dribble to the low life and they will love me – tell them you care, sponsor your ethnicity, talk smooth, use rederic and the fools will follow you anywhere)

    You don’t think these are elitists that just want to steal money and empower themselves and make people dependent upon them (throw a crumb and win a heart) —- think with your mind not emotions and start depending on God not Big Brother!!!!!!

  • Ed

    After reading all of the comments other than yours, I come to the conclusion that
    the average US citizen is brain dead as were the French citizens before they
    entered their period of enlightenment and thus, the French revolution. All Federal
    tax money does go to the Federal Reserve which was not ratified by all of the
    existing States and is Illegal as you have stated. They control the money supply
    and any Country that does not own its currency is doomed. The Reserve creates
    money out of thin air and loans it to the Government to be paid back with interest from Federal income taxes which is also Illegal.

    Might I remind the commentators that quoted from the Bible, that Jesus turned the tables over on the money changers in the temple and for that act alone, he was nailed to the cross. Wake Up America, the same money changers are in total control of your destiny. Do you courage to overturn the tables!!

  • David

    The US currency was backed by gold until 1970-1971 when Richard Nixon took us off the gold standard. Until that time the money supply was extremely stable. Since that time it (money supply) has risen and fallen occasionally until very recently when it rose drastically- and still is because the government is flooding the market with paper money backed only be a promise f the US government to make the note, i.e paper money, good. The gold standard kept inflation low, and the government from over printing paper money, thus keeping the US dollar at a stable solid value as there is only so much gold in the world, and the US Treasury has/had the largest stash of it.

    In today’s economy with the government flooding the economy with paper money I fear the value will erode quickly and we’ll see inflation rise dramatically. The financial markets understand that well and have reacted to the flooding of the markets with paper money by retreating into safer investments. You now have government competing with private enterprise to get the same dollar factories and other businesses need to operate. With the US government promising to make good on the debt it incurs, that makes the US a better quality borrower than private business- for now and causes private business to pay a higher price to borrow the same dollar via higher interest rates, as no private business has the ability to generate money at will as does the federal government.

    You and I as US citizens need to pay very close attention to what the “new” administration is doing to our future, our children;s future and their children’s future by providing this baseless “stimulus”.

  • Abram

    I am very happy to know, and expound truth Fred, as I read your posts of a like mind. The Light of peace, the guide of this nation, enabling a diverse population to peacefully live, and work together of one purpose, placed that trust in “The People”. The public, this Republic, who, knowing the needs of their localities, acted of themselves to provide for those needs, of the abilities in their hands. A public passionate about creating, maintaining, and protecting, that which made them capable of living, and supplying themselves for future prosperity. Peace of mind, body, and soul, that can only be achieved with a people seeing, and choosing to use their resources to create, protect, that which furthers their abilities. The tax issue, which began as a people, united to fight actions of war, which put limitations on that ability, has become an ability of government representation, powers of faction, to choose just who gets what, and how much. A bloodless civil war, in, and of itself, instituted around theoretic legislation that has never solved its intended purpose.

  • June

    What is “the One’s” email address at the Whitehouse?

  • David

    Andy: the speed limit signs say 35 MPH, and even though they do not spell out red cars, white cars, green cars, it is understood to include ALL cars.

    In the Biblical context from which this quote was taken, the reference was to payment of taxes. If taxes are owed to the government, in that case Caesar who represented the Roman government, pay them. Further, his likeness was stamped on the coins of the day. He, for Rome ruled the land. A tax was implemented to cover the expense of the Roman occupation and running government functions. The Jewish people- as did citizens of all occupied lands- resented payment of Roman imposed taxes- often with good cause other than just being that of being occupied. Dishonest tax collectors over taxed the people, who in turn had no recourse and kept the excess taxes collected themselves.

    Jason: your remarks obviously rated no response. I just enjoyed pointing that out. One day all will be found out to be truth or lie. I’d prefer to err on the side I believe to be true.

    Answer me this: Does a car require an engineer to create it or did it just happen? Of course it required an engineer to create each component, it is a complicated piece of machinery. Yet you non-believers would assert that a human being- whose body is far more complex than a man-made machine just happened? It is easier to believe in God. Mathematically it is provable that Intelligent Design occurred, not just happened. The “big bang” was God’s voice. The creation story is not so far fetched when you look at it scientifically and logically.

    The trouble is people like you are looking for some far too complex explanation, your minds can not fathom such a thought as a living “God” did all of creation, placing the earth just so far from the sun, made it’s surface to be 2/3 water covered, protected it with gases that both provide life for surface creatures and protection from the space radiation and more.

    I can go on and on but I’m sure you do not want to be confused with facts so I’ll stop. Besides it is over your head and beyond your ability to absorb.

  • David

    Actually a variety of taxes were imposed off and on throughout our history, with income taxes coming on board during the US Civil War. At times taxes were imposed to cover the cost of government projects, to wage wars or as was necessary to cover a given government expense. An income tax was first implemented in the civil war as a temporary tax to fund the war. There were no permanent taxes imposed until early in the 1900′s.

    From Wikipedia: The first Federal income tax was imposed (under Article I, section 8, clause 1 of the U.S. Constitution) during the Civil War, then again in the 1890s, and again after the Sixteenth Amendment was ratified in 1913.

    and this clip:

    Early Federal income taxes

    In order to help pay for its war effort in the American Civil War, the United States government imposed its first personal income tax, on August 5, 1861, as part of the Revenue Act of 1861 (3% of all incomes over US $800)[5]. This tax was repealed and replaced by another income tax in 1862.[6]

    In 1894, Democrats in Congress passed the Wilson-Gorman tariff, which imposed the first peacetime income tax. The rate was 2% on income over $4000, which meant fewer than 10% of households would pay any. The purpose of the income tax was to make up for revenue that would be lost by tariff reductions.[7]

    In 1895 the United States Supreme Court, in its ruling in Pollock v. Farmers’ Loan & Trust Co., held a tax based on receipts from the use of property to be unconstitutional. The Court held that taxes on rents from real estate, on interest income from personal property and other income from personal property (which includes dividend income) were treated as direct taxes on property, and therefore had to be apportioned. Since apportionment of income taxes is impractical, this had the effect of prohibiting a federal tax on income from property. The power to tax real and personal property, or that such was a direct tax, was not denied by the Constitution.[8] Due to the political difficulties of taxing individual wages without taxing income from property, a federal income tax was impractical from the time of the Pollock decision until the time of ratification of the Sixteenth Amendment (below).

    Ratification of the Sixteenth Amendment

    In response, Congress proposed the Sixteenth Amendment (ratified by the requisite number of states in 1913[9]), which states:

    The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

    I would note the Democrats imposed the first income tax, and it seems to be impossible for them to stop wanting to add more taxes every since.

  • David

    Interestingly enough Mr. Paul had millions attached to the $481 billion “stimulus” signed by Obama today as “earmarks” which means nobody questioned the need for the spending.

    So much for “conservative” oversight and responsible spending by Mr. Paul. he like his counterparts just bought re-election votes.

  • David

    Remarkably the below sounds not too unlike some politicians of today. Who is Geithner? A tax evader, until he was brought into the public eye. Daschle same thing. Old regime Democrats. They love imposing taxes on others but not themselves. How do you “forget” to pay income taxes?? They come due the same time annually.

    Here is some info I located on Capone:

    The popular belief in the 1920s and 30s was that illegal gambling earnings were not taxable income. However, the 1927 Sullivan ruling claimed that illegal profits were in fact taxable. The government wanted to indict Capone for income tax evasion, Capone never filed an income tax return, owned nothing in his own name, and never made a declaration of assets or income. He did all his business through front men so that he was anonymous when it came to income. Frank Wilson from the IRS’s Special Intelligence Unit was assigned to focus on Capone. Wilson accidentally found a cash receipts ledger that not only showed the operation’s net profits for a gambling house, but also contained Capone’s name; it was a record of Capone’s income. Later Capone’s own tax lawyer Lawrence P. Mattingly admitted in a letter to the government that Capone had an income. Wilson’s ledger, Mattingly’s letter, and the coercion of witnesses were the main evidence used to convict Capone.

    The jury found Capone not guilty on eighteen of the twenty-three counts. Judge Wilkerson sentenced him to a total of ten years in federal prison and one year in the county jail. In addition, Capone had to serve an earlier six-month contempt of court sentence for failing to appear in court. The fines were a cumulative $50,000 and Capone had to pay the prosecution costs of $7,692.29.

    the above is from this website:

  • June

    Thanks June,
    I’ll do it tomorrow. I never bothered because all I ever get in return from the House and Senate are their FORM letters.
    June Y,

  • hiway280z

    Mine got sent back with a new address. I sent to that one and the computer said it didn’t exist. Seems obama does not want to hear from us.

  • hiway280z

    I agree. They have over the years made Washington their personal cash cow and taken our money to do it. After four years they get their full pay in retirement. Now I understand that was changed to two years. They move on to another washington job and get the same for that one. on and on…..They should be paid like we are get the same benefits as the average joe and when they leave it stays behind unless they pay for their health ins or what ever like we do. I am fed up.

  • hiway280z

    Bill Gates is an excellent example. Very rich, lives very well and I do not begrudge him that. He has given big money to charity and people in need. Every disaster we have in our country the man sends millions of dollars of his money to help. He never made all his giving public. As a youth he always said if he was rich he would help people and he certainly has. No one in Washington comes close to being what this man is.

  • June Gagnon

    It’s ok – -all you will get is the “acknowledgment”, or “form letter”. At least you know they got your message and that’s what counts. Keep sending email to: and ignore the other address his “correspondence team” refers you to, because it does not exist. If you can afford to fax, or phone them that is even better and do not let any of the arrogant air-heads “talk down” to you. If any of them want to “lace you with profanity”, just make sure you get their name (s), then send a letter to the editor of your local newspaper stating what occurred. The word will spread and that’s exactly what we want. The sooner the rest of American voters know exactly what’s going on in DC, the better. Come 2012 elections, that whole bag of bad apples will be thrown out of there!

  • June Gagnon

    Of course, he doesn’t want to hear from us “common folk”- -after all, it’s only our money he’s throwing away. It’s ok- -re-read that email you got back and I bet it was an “acknowledgment” from his “correspondence team”. Just keep sending your emails to : and ignore the other address they refer you to, because it does not exist. If you can afford to phone, or fax them, that is even better. Be sure to get the name of the individual you talk to; if he/she wants to be an arrogant air-head and talks down to you, or if they lace you with profanity (this has occurred in at least one instance), keep your composure and don’t succumb to their tactics. When you’re finished with them, write a letter to the editor of your local paper, stating exactly what occurred. This way, the word will spread, far and wide. By the time 2012 elections roll around, every American voter will know exactly what’s going on in DC; I can almost guarantee that whole bag of bad apples will be thrown out! Go get um!!

  • hiway280z

    got your reply and thank you. Will do exactly as you suggested. I don’t get nasty back at them. Hopefully since people are paying more attention since this last election they will wake up as to what is going on. Thanks again for the information. very helpful and appreciated.

  • aman

    Good point Ham! Yes, we the people have been lied to, and raped and pillaged by the corrupt politician. We need to form an underground organization to establish a revolt. And we better do it soon for reasons I can’t go into too much detail herein. I believe Jesus said to pilot ” you have no authority over me!” prior to his most brutal beating and inhumane abuse!

    Additionally, many male citizens and probably non citizens of America have been located in Somolia, Africa. And the reason, Islamic urban warfare training!

  • aman

    It’s coming Dan. The scuttle butt lately is that the coming summer 2009 will be the summer of rage!

  • aman

    Martha, I too share your anger. Hopefully, we the people will prevail! Just a heads up, the United States is already in a depression. Wall Street is planning on throwing us investors a bone to re-establish our lost wealth. Obama bin Biden want’s to confiscate that wealth. Here’s why things are going to hell in a hand basket. How do you possibly pay a national debt of over ten trillion dollars??? The interest alone makes the United States insolvent. Furthermore, there isn’t enough trees to print all that fiat. Here’s a model. A base tree with dimension 30″ diameter and 75′ tall after preparation and processing is able to produce 100, 100 dollar bills per foot or 10,000 dollars a foot. Times 75 is 750,000 dollars! That’s more than 13 million trees!

  • fred

    Hi Phil
    Thank you for quoting The Constitution . It is supposed to serve as the basis for
    judging all other laws and Court decisions are supposed to abide to reflect it
    in judging any law as to whether it conforms. Most will agree that the judiciary
    when judged by that standard has failed miserably and has in fact, been corrupted..
    Many have wondered how best to throw off the yoke of an unrighteous government when public officials and a corrupt and controlled press will
    not aid us. Yes, if the people would seriously organize with the conviction
    and dedication of our early founders we would have a chance for a peacable
    solution to this tyranny. I am thinking that it is much easier to organize at the
    local level by influencing more local officials like the County Sheriff who could be held much easier to a Constitutional standard through our close control by demanding that he expel or punish federal or state empoyees or officials who violate our Constitutional rights.

    County grand juries could be convened to issue criminal complaints against
    such offenders. Currently about half the states have proposed Resolutions
    which in effect condemn overreaching and unconstitutional federal laws or
    mandates by reasserting both the 9th and 10th Amendments wherein is
    found the basis for the people and the States controlling their own destinies
    through the reservation of all the power not specifically granted to The Ferderal
    Government(which is little).
    The real problem as I see it is that the states have been threatened and bribed
    into accepting federal funding for so many federal programs that they do not know how to reject them. We need to start electing local and state representatives who can honestly look a gift-horse in the eyes and say sorry,
    the price is too high. Does this mean starting all over? In my opinion, PROBABLY, because our current system is so rotten to the core that our Founders wouldn’t even recognize it.

    Maybe members could discuss the how to’s on this or another thread. What
    do you think, Bob Livingston?


  • fred

    I agree with your analysis and especially your admonition
    to review the referenced websites. SEDM is affiliated with
    The Family Gaurdian people. Knowledge is power!


  • fred


    Ron Paul is one of my heroes and a very courageous
    person. Please , all of you visit his website,Campaign
    For Liberty. We will all become better people by learning
    the concepts of liberty and how and where to apply them..


  • fred


    You are correct in only some of your conclusions about the
    Word Of God. If you were correct in all that doesn’t mean that
    there is no God. The truth of the matter is that although there are
    different versions of The Bible, if you have read from let’s say
    The King James Version, and if you sincerely pray to The God
    in whose image you were created (give it a try before you dismiss
    the thought) you will realize that God has always communicated to
    people (lets call you and I and others, his children for sake of argument)
    through his prophets who recorded his instructions on parchment or other
    materials which were organized and left for us as His Scriptures.

    Why, so that while we lived on the earth we could be guided by principles
    of righteousness, things like Love Thy Neighbor,help the poor, be charitable
    and the like. True, while some of the Scriptures may have been rearranged
    or left out or even corrupted or imitated by someone on Satan’s side, this does
    not mean that we cannot be governed by what He has to say to us. If we become
    confused He has provided for that through His many promptings that if we will
    sincerely take the time and put forth the effort we can know the truth of all things
    and we will be able to discern truth from error.
    Looking at it in the way don’t you think it would be a grave mistake to conclude
    as you have that what we call scriptures are man made and fraudulent. As a human being you are choice and not here on this earth by accident. No, you
    were put here to grow and to progress, to find happiness and peace.
    I sincerely hope that you will find all of these and that by putting the things I have mentioned to the test, you will in the future conclude that God is real and will have
    a further desire to discover and walk in His ways.

  • fred

    You may not know it but when we critcise non-believers
    as you have by demeaning them or implying that they are stupid or
    beyond reaching, they run further away. Every person sent to the earth
    has much value. Than k God that Paul, who was as unrighteous at one
    time in his life as anyone mentioned in The Bible, was able to overcome
    his shortcomings to become one of the greatest forces for good during
    those times.
    It is true that for many they try to make accepting God far more complex
    than it is but that doesn’t mean that someone will not come along to show
    them the way.
    I am sorry if I have offended you in any way. Maybe you are just angry with the things that are happening out there and you just had to vent. Anyway we should
    all be careful how we speak to others even those now trying to persecute us.
    Now that is really hard to do and I will admit that i have a lot of anger built up
    inside against traitors and those opposing freedom.


  • fred

    Hi David
    After the 16th Amend. The Sup Ct. held in the famous
    Brushaber case that the Amendment could not have been
    passed for the purpose of expanding the power of the Federal
    Gov’t to include monies received by those living in the states
    because this would have created two conflicting tax authorizing
    provisions. so the Court held that any direct taxes still had to be
    apportioned as is The House of Reps is, ie, by population.

    After this the IRS got mad and since that time has called the Income tax
    an excise, not needing to be apportioned, but has run int problems with
    that premise because an excise must normally be levied on a priviledge,
    such as a federal job or must be exacted on alcohol,tobacco or firearms.
    But, by fraud and propaganda through the media and through a force of
    “trained CPA’s and lawyers” they have convince the great majority living
    in the states that they must “volunteer” for the tax.
    My point here is that the 16th does not furnish the basis for a legitimate
    income tax on a n on-priviledged person living in a state.
    Sound complicated? Visit for great detail on the subject.

  • fred

    Please furnish us the evidence that Ron Paul
    voted for the stimulus. If he did this would be quite
    out of character for him and i will phone him for an


  • James

    If you work inthe U.S. or any of its territories, there are four taxes that the employer is required to take out of gross pay. they are:

    FICA Federal Insurance Contribution Act tax
    FUT Federal Unemployment Tax
    SUT State Unemployment tax

    Of these, some states do not have SUT but instead have a “value added tax”
    which is used for the same purpose as SUT, that is to pay state unemployment compensation in the event that a resident of that state becomes unemployed.

    My advice is to pay your taxes. if you don’t you can bet that you will be audited
    by the Fed and maybe your state a well.

  • dbo


  • Marjorie

    Small correction: FUT is not deducted from the employee’s check, it is paid entirely by the employer. Ditto State unemployment tax. That’s not an “either/or” scenario, both are paid. Of the FICA, half is deducted from the employee’s check and half is paid by the employer. Part of this goes to your “retirement” account and part to medicare/medicaid. There is currently a cap on the income that can be taxed for these FICA and Medicaid accounts, but the bamster is about to change that, I fear. And we aren’t even mentioning workman’s comp “contributions” that are paid by the employer based on gross wages. The big one not included in this list is the FIT (federal income tax) which is 100% taken from the employee and can be modified somewhat by dependants claimed and the EIC. You have to fill out a form for this and sign your name to it, so it might not be a good idea to fudge your figures. And, look up, you are about to get taxed for any insurance premium that your employer pays for you and any charitable contributions that you formerly deducted will be taxable. You think only the “rich” will get an increase in their taxes? Think again. If the fed can go against the Constitution and impose a 90% tax on the AIG bonus payments (which they approved), they can do it to you too, and more. This country is in DEEP trouble.


    The unemployement taxes do not come out of your gross pay. Employers are required to pay them on behave of the employee – the employee does not and will not have these taxes come out of their wages. Those unemplyement taxes are only paid up to a certain amount of compensation as well.

    FICA is actually composed of social security and medicare which has to be reported seperatly to the IRS

  • Marjorie

    FYI, Jesus was not crucified because he overturned the tables of the money changers. At that time the law (God’s law, not man’s law) required that a sacrifice be offered at the temple for the forgiveness of sins. This was supposed to be an animal from the individuals’s own herds and was to be perfect, unblemished and the very best that he had, not some sick or maimed thing that would be easy to give up. He had to be giving up something of real value, thus indicating his sincerity in the process. This practice had to be repeated annually. What the people were doing, when they went to the temple, instead of bringing the best from their own herd to sacrifice, they were buying the animal from vendors that had set up business at the temple. No big sacrifice on their part, to be sure, and Jesus saw it, got righteously indignant and put an end to it, commanding that they not make the temple a house of merchandise. The government at the time didn’t fear his turning out the moneychangers, but they did see his popularity with the people and feared that they would lose their power over them.

    Fortunately, with Christ’s sacrifice, we no longer have to do the animal sacrifice, but just trust in Him. HE is that perfect lamb, the only sacrifice that is acceptable to God. If you reject His gift, this world we are living in now, as bad as it is becoming, is a cake walk compared to what awaits.

  • Jim

    Yes but some taxes are matched dollar for dollar. One dollar comes from the employer, one dollar comes from the employee. And there is a lot of difference in state law as well, if you’re in a “right to work” state or an
    “at will” employee. In my state ( PA ) some years back, I found out I was not eligible to collect unemployment, yet my employer was taking unemployment tax out of my gross pay. So I made them give me the money. Its my money afetr all, and you can’t deduct from my pay for a benefit that I cannot receive.

  • Jim

    Well the difference is, when you were young this was a different country. People worked for what they had, and didn’t expect the Government to pay for everything.
    Then different groups of people decided they were entitled to free benefits from the Government ( as a veteran who served our country you are entitled to VA benefits under the GI Bill ). Communications and financial transactions occur instantly in today’s world, and ths has led us into the “Me” generation. I want it all, i want it now is the mindset of many young people today. In this country we are conditioned to think that if we don’t have a $500,000 house and 2 Cadillacs in the garage, we are doing something wrong. Our Government grants scholarships to America’s brightest and best students, and also offers low-cost loans so that students who otherwise couldn’t afford college can now afford to go to college. They pay the loans back. My daughters will both go to college in part on scholarship money, whcih they earned through hard work. My oldest, a senior in high school, will have completed her first year of college before she graduates high school. In my 29 years in higher education I have seen thousands of foreign students go to college in the U.S., having been given a full ride by their government. Why shouldn’t the U.S. do the same? We can, as a nation, afford it.

  • Jim

    Oh yeah, Winston Churchill. He was brilliant, but he was a SUBJECT of a KING,
    not a CITIZEN of a republic.

  • Jim

    This one is not part of the ten commandments. But it really doesn’t matter.
    What does matter is what the United States Tax Code says.

  • klhpraise

    Jesus said render on to Caesar that which is Caesar’s and render on to God that which is God’s. If it is illegal and unconstitutional for our government to collect taxes from us and so we decide not to pay them and we are able to successfully do so, then no it is not a sin to not pay those taxes.

  • Jim

    The “execs” that are being “persecuted” managed ( or should I say mis-managed ) to erage over 10 Trillion dollars out of the U.S. economy. Do you really think these people shoud NOT be punished after nearly bankrupting over 80 million Americans?

  • Jim

    That’s erase, not erage ( must be feeling the rage ).


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