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Surviving The Republican Establishment

October 18, 2011 by  

Surviving The Republican Establishment

There are at least two conflicting views of the Occupy Wall Street mob. One is that the media are overplaying the protests and that they are much ado about nothing. The idea is that the protesters are primarily a bunch of idealistic kids living out their fantasies of the turn-on, tune-in, drop-out crowd of the 1960s.

At the other extreme is the view that the protests are the start of a worldwide left-wing revolution promoted by communists, union Mafiosos and a variety of down-with-the-rich misfits. While I believe that the goofy, confused kids — who can’t seem to coherently explain why they are protesting — are being used by the heavyweight, behind-the-scenes players who are funding the protests, that’s beside the point.

What’s more important is to understand that these kinds of protests are nothing new. Class warfare has been a fact of life throughout most of modern history. Whether we like it or not, envy fuels a never-ending, contentious relationship between the “haves” and the “have-nots.” It’s always been that way, and it always will be. The “Kumbaya” stuff is nice for dreamers who love to Twitterpate, but it’s not reality. Human nature is what it is.

Just as the mid-1950s represent the pinnacle of Western civilization, the French Revolution has always served as the gold standard for aspiring left-wing revolutionaries. The Bolshevik Revolution in Russia, which came on the scene nearly 130 years later, is often held up as a model for would-be revolutionaries, but it didn’t have the passion and romanticism of the French Revolution.

The reason those on the far left have always held a special place in their hearts for the Maximilien Robespierre-inspired guillotine crowd in France is that the riffraff of that country transformed their angry fantasies into the spilling of blood — lots of it — and did so without mercy or discretion. Even the revolution’s leader, Robespierre, ended up losing his head!

That brings us back to today and the Fleabagger protests. While some may be hesitant to attribute too much power to the nation’s most famous community organizer, the sad truth is that the driving force behind the current movement is none other than Chairman Obama.

Between playing the role of venture capitalist with your money and instructing fellow radical Eric Holder to double down on the Fast and Furious cover-up, he has been stoking the fires of revolution since the day he arrived at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Those who don’t get this are naïve to the core.

At first, of course, BHO was careful to carry out his plans in a stealth manner. But in recent months, as it became clear that he and his fellow radicals in Congress were going to suffer sweeping defeat in 2012, he began bringing his revolutionary game into the open.

With the clock ticking down on “this progressive moment in history” (credit, Paul Krugman), there’s no time for stealth. No sooner than he had finished his “Can we all get along?” speech following the shooting of Gabby Giffords in Tucson, Ariz., Obama quickly took off the gloves, put on his Che Guevara T-shirt and took aim at capitalism’s jugular.

I have repeatedly warned about a possible trumped-up crisis that could be used to suspend the 2012 elections. Hopefully, it won’t happen, but it would be wise to be on the lookout for it. Those caught in a Bill O’Reilly Naiveté Warp should remember that the mantra of the left has always been, and still is, the end justifies the means.

The “Occupy” protests may seem incoherent to many, because they lack both substance and message. But to a keen observer, the driving force behind the protests is quite clear: envy-based anger. Envy — one of the basest of human traits — is, unfortunately, a dangerous fact of life that will always be with us.

Let’s be very clear here. Envy is not about leveling the playing field, nor is it about helping people lift themselves up. It’s about providing an outlet for one’s hatred. Envy is about inflicting punishment on those who are perceived to be too well-off.

The modern-day buzzword for this envy is class warfare (a.k.a. plunder), but, regardless of what you call it, it’s been around since the beginning of recorded history. Since there’s no nice way of branding it, the left has long referred to it by the mother of all abstracts, social justice. It’s sort of like a bottle of snake oil: “good fer what(ever) ails ya.”

Who would be dumb enough to buy into a catchall bromide that has no meaning except that which each individual assigns to it? Answer: Roughly 50 percent of the population. Why? Because it feels so good to hate. Yes, it really is that simple. My detractors call it ranting. I call it acknowledging reality.

Though politicians have been playing the class-warfare game quite openly since at least the early part of the 20th century, the father of modern social justice was Franklin D. Roosevelt. Once FDR managed to get the unConstitutional Social Security Act through Congress, progressives became ever bolder in pushing through additional vote-buying programs that were — and are — equally unConstitutional.

In his 1936 presidential campaign, with the Great Depression getting worse by the day, FDR blatantly focused on creating conflict between the haves and the have-nots. He pounded away at the theme that one-third of the nation was “ill-housed,” “ill-clad” and “ill-nourished.” And it worked. That’s right, in the midst of the Great Depression — a depression which he himself had deepened and prolonged with his big-government policies — FDR beat Alf Landon in a landslide, carrying every state but Maine and Vermont.

I thought about this last week when Sean Hannity asked Thomas Sowell if he thought Barack Obama could win re-election on a class-warfare platform, to which Sowell, with a concerned look on his face, responded, “Unfortunately, I believe he could.” Sowell, one of the greatest free-market minds on the planet, started out as a communist, so he is all too familiar with how anti-freedom revolutionaries think and operate.

Having said this, Republicans had better wake up. The establishment is maneuvering behind the scenes to put yet another Republican progressive — Mitt Romney — in the White House. The going wisdom is that Romney has the best chance of beating Barack Obama, but those who are focused on only that aspect of the election are ignoring the lessons of history.

What I’m getting at here at is that even if Romney wins, he is likely to put us right back on a George W. Bush track of gradually moving the U.S. to the left, which is what opened the door for the 2008 left-wing takeover of the Presidency and the Congress in the first place. The last person freedom lovers should want to see in the White House come January 2013 is Mitt Hoover.

I’m not naïve. I understand that at this point in time it’s impossible for a true defender of individual rights to be elected President, but I’ll settle for someone who will at least make a serious attempt to start repealing socialist legislation now in place and start moving the U.S. to the right.

Several candidates fit that description, and the $64 million question is not whether they can survive the Democrats’ smear machine. It’s whether they can survive the Republican establishment’s unrelenting efforts to destroy them. The next in line to be tested on that question is Herman Cain. It will be fascinating to watch how he handles the challenge of being the prime target.

Robert Ringer

Robert Ringer

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  • ron

    Way to go Roger. Blame it on Obama and the so-called left wing. Obama will suspend the 2012 elections and make himself president for life. Great fiction writting sir.

    • Pat

      Ron, I know you must want this to be real, real, real, but sadly, it isn’t. This is a group of useful idiots who have listened to college professors and been brainwashed by the communist party USA and several other totally unAmerican groups. Roger isn’t making it up at all, he is doing what many of us (except you apparently) have done and that is to check it out and google and actually follow some of the “bread crumbs”. You might also note that many of the signs present at these rallies are socialist and communist jargon. You apparently are in the same group with O’Reilly and ignoring the fact this president and all his little radical communist buds who work for him are determined to destroy this country by destroying the engine that made us the greatest, most productive, and richest country on the face of the earth. These same folks also want to get rid of the haven many people around the world who were oppressed at seen as their shining beacon on the hill to escape to…………..and they came here to work and succeed and DID unlike these protester folks who are looking for a handout instead of a job or success gained with hard work!

      • Ronbo

        Pat,

        Start thinking, for a change. Ron is right. Obama is just the latest player here. This is about rich v. poor.

        And dude, you need it more than anyone.

        You are so poor, you can’t even pay attention. Realize that the Repubs and Dems are merely different sides of the same coin, which is in the pocket of those with the most money. Don’t be a douche and try to wash away reality.

        • Sharon Jeanguenat

          You are offensive with your comments. You have the right to your opinion, but you do not need to denigrate someone who has a different opinion than yours. That’s the big problem with liberals, socialists, communists, call them what you will, they cannot STAND for anyone to disagree with them.

          • libertytrain

            Been my experience throughout my life as well….

          • eddie47d

            Is that the pot calling the kettle black in what you are saying Sharon? There is a bigger picture out there and apparently you only want to see part of it. Do you have a clue in what goes on in the halls of Wall Street? How they manipulate the financial sector of our country:how is that looking for you? What goes on in Wall Street affects the whole world thus the world wide protests. That is not envy but shows how the Banksters and Elites take advantage of world markets. Some talk about a clean sweep of Washington but cower when it comes to a clean sweep of the crony’s on Wall Street who were so enthralled about lining their pockets that they didn’t see the rest of the nation falling off the cliff.

          • Jana

            Sharon,
            You are so right. These leftists Liberals can’t stand for someone to disagree with them, they get all bent out of shape and start their typical name calling.
            Pat is so right in that most of these demonstrators are falling for the Communistic ideologies. It is so scary knowing these people cannot reason any better than that, than to fall for Socialism and Communism. I think the reason is no one wants to take responsibility for them selves any more, so the Gov’t. is supposed to take care of them.

          • DaveH

            Listen to Eddie, the clueless one, asking somebody “Do you have a clue?”.
            Exactly what is your problem with Wall Street, Eddie? What is it that they do wrong in your opinion? Are they defrauding people? If so, why isn’t your Government stopping them?
            What is your solution to Free Markets, Eddie, where people enter into voluntary contracts and make voluntary transactions with each other?

          • Kinetic1

            Jana,
            Everyone wants people to believe as they do and validate their way of life. You complain that “… leftists Liberals can’t stand for someone to disagree with them”, but ignore the fundamentalist Christians on this site who would reach through their computer monitors and smack the non-believers in the head with their crucifixes if they could. And name calling, why the far right group here does a fine job of holding their own in that area as well. In fact, one of the first things I complained about on this site was the lack of civility. This is the site where long time posters wrote about sitting on the roof and shooting gays. This is a site where Muslims are referred to as rag heads and their religion said to know nothing but hate. The very idea that you and others like you would come out and accuse the left of lacking tolerance is evidence in it’s self of just how delusional the far right has become.

          • Jibbs

            Hey Wally, I think eddie’s giving me the business.
            Don’t worry about it Beaver, eddie’s an idiot and knows nothing about business, he just acts like he doe’s.
            Gee Wally, your right. He’s clueless.

          • Jana

            Sure Kinectic, Sure.
            I notice the one who ALWAYS brings up the subject of Religion. Wow, you have a fixation.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Ive been going back and forth, from the past to the present, then back to past, then up to the present, and Im at a loss as to what happened that we demonize success in this country. The American way is to find your niche, do what you like, and become successful. So now when that happens, people are demonized as rich and evil who crap on the rest of us. I dont know personally about any of you, but Ive never had a rich guy come and take stuff from me. But Ive had them pay me an honest days wage for an honest days work. And Ive had an awful lot of my money taken out of my check and given to so called poor people who are so called less fortunate than I, in that they refuse to work for a living, so my money is taken and put into social programs that go into their pockets. But Ive looked and looked, and I dont see the government taking money from me, and giving it to, say Bill Gates or other rich guys. So why are people who have worked hard, applied themselves, had a good idea and put it into practice, hired thousands of people, who now have jobs and are paying taxes, so why are they considered bad by hoards of people? I think its time we kicked those in the butt that wont work, tell them to get a job, drug test them in order to receive benefits, just like I am to get hired and keep a job, and basically get back on the right track, where we reward success and push those who fail to try harder. What is wrong with that? I just dont get it.

          • talkinbout

            Dave H says, “Exactly what is your problem with Wall Street, Eddie? What is it that they do wrong in your opinion? Are they defrauding people? If so, why isn’t your Government stopping them?”

            Dave H, if you don’t think Wall Street has been doing anything wrong because they haven’t been charged, please check out this link. When you have that kind of money it’s amazing what you can get away with.

            Its kinda long but it give alot of insight to how large investment scams are run and worth reading to the end.
            http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-great-american-bubble-machine-20100405

          • talkinbout

            sorry about the typos – should be “hasn’t done anything wrong” and “gives a lot of insight”.

          • eddie47d

            So Dave H is answering a question with another question.I believe I’ve answered your question several times over the months or is it music to your ears to hear it again. So there are plenty of clueless folks Mr H including Sharon.

          • JeffH

            talkinbout, when you ask that question about DaveH thinking Wall Street hasn’t done anything wrong…did he ever say it? No!
            Here’s something for you to think about! Your point is moot!

            1. Where has it been said that they never do anything wrong?
            2. Who writes the rules and legislates Wall Street?(hint: government)
            3. Without government’s help and assistance, we probably wouldn’t be having this conversation.
            4. Who actually is Wall Street?

          • talkinbout

            In response to JeffH,
            !. DaveH said, “What is it that they do wrong in your opinion? Are they defrauding people?” Obviously you didn’t check out the link I provided. Please do so. It’s very informative.

            2. It’s true that Congress writes the rules but the problem is that big money influences how those rules are written and in many cases big money is the one actually writing the rules they have to follow. The game is rigged with big money and I see that as one of the main themes of OWS – get big money out of politics. The used to be supreme court has sold our democracy to the highest bidders with the Citizens United decision and allowed the people to be fooled when they decided that it was legal for news outlets to lie in their news reporting and reaffirmed that ruling when they decided that Fox News had a legal right to fire two jounalists who refused to lie in their reporting to the American people. The so called supremes themselves violated the U.S. Constitution when they intervened in the 2001 elections which eventually led to the mess we’re in today.

            3. Without the internet we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

            4. Again please read the article before commenting. The big banks and corporations are running the country and the world, not the governments. Do you really think that Obama and the Dems caused the world wide recession? People don’t seem to realize just how bad the world wide economic situation really was/is or that the stimulus created 2.5 million jobs and saved millions more and kept us from going into a full blown depression. Since you’re advocating for the very richest among us may I assume that you too are rich?

          • JeffH

            thinkingabout, you presume I am rich too? Hardly! To say I am “advocating for the rich” is purly another incorrect assumption that on your part.

            I’m not disputing the fact that the banks and the major players on Wall Street aren’t influencing and controlling the regulators in government for huge profits…that’s long been the case even prior to the creation of the Federal Reserve…ah yes, the Federal Reserve…therein is lies the key to the manipulators.

            I suggest you read up a bit more before you take the Rolling Stones article as the endall for your source as there is much, much more to it. It’s all there on the internet if you search long enough.

            The Federal Reserve Cartel – The Eight Families‏…including tand he Morgans, The Rocefeller, the House of Rothschilds…and ten banks control all twelve Federal Reserve Bank branches. N.M. Rothschild of London, Rothschild Bank of Berlin, Warburg Bank of Hamburg, Warburg Bank of Amsterdam, Lehman Brothers of New York, Lazard Brothers of Paris, Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York, Israel Moses Seif Bank of Italy, Goldman Sachs of New York and JP Morgan Chase Bank of New York. Schauf lists William Rockefeller, Paul Warburg, Jacob Schiff and James Stillman as individuals who own large shares of the Fed. The Schiffs are insiders at Kuhn Loeb. The Stillmans are Citigroup insiders, who married into the Rockefeller clan at the turn of the century.
            http://www.projectworldawareness.com/2011/06/the-federal-reserve-cartel-the-eight-families‏/

            It’s up to “we the people” to get the cronyism and corruption out of our government…shutting down “Wall Street” and demonizing the rich isn’t the right approach…re-establishing a Constitutional Republic is the only answer, not communism, socialism, progressivism or Marxism can do that

          • DaveH

            talkinbout,
            If you’d read enough of my comments, you’d know that I certainly am against Crony Capitalism, but the disease here is Big Government. As Government Grows, Corruption Flows. The Federal Government has no business subsidizing or protecting Corporations from competition.
            You can spout off all day long about which companies are breaking the law, but it will be meaningless until we actually get a Government in place that is actually concerned with enforcing those laws, rather than feathering their own nests and those of it’s politically connected cronies.
            We need to get Government out of the Marketplace. The Power to decide which corporations win and which lose needs to be taken out of the hands of politicians and put back into the hands of the consumers. Free Markets in other words.

          • DaveH

            Eddie, as usual, doesn’t respond to my questions. Should that surprise anybody?
            Of course, I know, Eddie, that the reason for that is that you can’t provide an intelligent response.

          • JeffH

            thinkingabout, also, to presume that this comment by DaveH means he’s oblivious or blind to the cronyism of Wall Street is incorrect also.

            “What is it that they do wrong in your opinion? Are they defrauding people? If so, why isn’t your Government stopping them?”

            A perfectly legitimate question by DaveH considering that eddie can only make unspecified accustions about Wall Street, corporations and their CEO’s. Isn’t government supposed to have our backs? It is the corrupt politicians that have continually ignored the Constitution and their oath to uphold the Constitution that have fed this unholy partnership.

          • talkinbout

            Re: JeffH, thanks for the link it’s a good rundown of how the banking cartels came about. From what I can gather, we agree that the banking cartels have too much power over the people. What I don’t understand is why you don’t agree with OWS since their main message is to wake up others and start a national conversation as to what to do about it.

            I also don’t understand why you would stand with the Republican leadership which, by all accounts is doing the bidding of the cartels at the cost of the rest of us. Check out this encounter one OWS protester had with a Tea Party contingent.

            At our Occupy Naples gathering on Saturday (Oct.15), I walked across the street to work on a sign and was accosted by a small, angry group of elderly gents who accused me and other Occupy supporters of being socialists and communists. One of them, spitting mad, railed on about the evils of OWS, parroting what I can only assume was the Fox News line (unemployed, dope smoking hippies who want to socialize everything and take what they have not earned) and he proudly announced that his group was from the local Tea Party. During the rant I asked him repeatedly if he was interested in having a conversation. Finally he said, “Go ahead, talk.”
            I asked him to read the signs people were carrying (which I am now transcribing from photos taken at the event.) “Make Capitalism Fair – Get the Money Out of Government.” “If you are not angry, you are not paying attention.” “Financial Market Reform – NOW!” “Close the Revolving Door Between Wall Street and Government.” “We Don’t Want the Best Politicians Money Can Buy.” “End Corporate Tax Breaks.” “End Corporate Personhood.” “I can’t afford my politician.” “The People Rule Gov’t. The Gov’t Does NOT Rule People.”
            As I read each sign he said, “OK, I agree with that.” (Admittedly, there was a smattering of signs that were from the traditional Left, for unions, workers, soak the rich, etc., and I told him that many of these, all the same colors and style, were painted by one couple that is clearly far left and distributed to those without signs. You could easily pick out the ones that were written individually.) I explained that OWS is really an anti-corruption movement, and that we want to cut our politicians off from the financial influence of special interests, and return our government to one that is of, by and for the people. I told him that we do not support the Obama administration and Democrats, nor the Republicans, because both sides of the aisle in Washington are corrupted by special interests
            We talked about the Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision, which grants personhood to corporations, and agreed it had to be overturned. We talked about all the special interest money pouring into to every issue, from the XL pipeline, to the blocking of new banking regulations, to tax breaks for hedge fund managers, to Medicare being disallowed to negotiate with Big Pharma. We talked about the great value of properly controlled capitalism, and the rot of crony capitalism. We agreed on almost everything. On the things we did not agree on, such as should we now cut to reduce the deficit or stimulate to create jobs, we agreed was a serious debate we need to have. The main point we both agreed on is this: We will not have a true democracy where conversations like this can translate in political results until we get rid of the institutionalized, albeit legal, corruption that pervades politics.
            I told him that the Occupy US movement is about direct democracy where EVERY voice has the opportunity to be heard. I said we need the voices of the Tea Party, and the Tea Party needs to hear the voices of the Occupiers. Occupy US is a consensus movement. We talk and modify until we come to near unanimous agreement. It is very empowering for all, and the net result is quite amazing.
            More importantly, we agreed that Occupy Naples and the local Tea Party need to get together and talk, and we exchanged cards.
            I called my new Tea Party friend yesterday, and we are setting up a gathering for October 31 or November 1 here in Naples. When the Occupiers and Tea Partiers realize that, despite some core differences, we have a great deal in common, I believe that we will unite to sweep away the undue influence of money on politics. I truly believe that this conversation will be just the beginning of a broad citizen’s movement that is going restore true democracy for the benefit of us all, including the rich.
            Bill Van Arsdale
            Occupy Naples

          • bob wire

            Doing a little flip flopping there DaveH, you don’t often do that. I consider you one of the constants here.

            I know that you know, free markets don’t exist in the purest sense today and that crony capitalism has taken over. Big business and government has worked hand and glove to lock in markets and squeeze out competition in various areas. That Wall Street has became little more the a grand Casio wagering house where insider trading is common yet an unspoken reality. At place where gamblers attempt to make money with committing leveraged 10 to 1 money, while driving up cost of products to the end consumer. I know that you know that, as I know that you are smarter then I about such thing.

            People love to gamble and will gamble on just about anything. Roaches, frogs, horses or cards (my weakness) sports, who might walk in the door next and a side bet on where they might sit.

            Gambling an obsession or can be. An addiction, and it’s world wide and not just here in the US. During my various tours of duty over the world I found the Orientals to be probably the most consistent good luck gamblers of them all. I don’t know how they do it ~ I only know that they will kick your a$$ at any game of chance you wish to play. “Pick-up-sticks, cards, it doesn’t matter.

            If pride be worth anything, I take pride in being smart enough to know never to gamble with them.

            The world works best with win/win situations, equatable conclusions for all parties involved. Negotiated agreements in a prevailing climate of “Free Will”. ~ Fair play is always nice but subject to debate. “Free Will” removes any debate about fairness. If you plan to win,any “notions of fairness is a handicap”

            Wall Street is making every American a victim of the gambling folly and removing their “Free Will”. We no longer have a choice and forced to be “enablers” and support a system of finance that is self defeating with the exception of the few “winners” as their winning becomes our losses as end consumers ~ not to even mention the tax payer funded bail-outs.

            good day

          • libertytrain

            “Occupy Naples” – goodness that’s a funny visual if ever there was one…

          • JeffH

            talkinbout, that’s all good and fine. We do stand on some common ground.

            Why you think I stand with the republican leadership is baffling because I’ve never stated that I stand with the republicans. The fact is that I believe the message should be taken to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., D.C. no matter who occupies the WH. I also do not believe in or support the Marxist in charge and the Democratic Socialist Party nor the Republican Party…

            The OWS movement does have a smaller contingent of protesters that are focused on government, but there is a very large part of the movement that is being undermined with radical Marxist/communist ideologies promoted by proffessional Marxists and communists organizers. They’re taking advantage of the “useful idiots” and promoting “revolution”. That’s where I draw the line. I have no problem with protesters, I just believe the bulk of the protesters are focused in the wrong direction. Obama has railed for the “redistribution of wealth” from day 1 and is fully thrown his hat in with the OWS movement as well as main stream media.

            Where was that support when the grassroots Tea Party movement was peacefully protesting “Big Government”. Their ideals are for reduced government spending,opposition to taxation in varying degrees, reduction of the national debt and federal budget deficit,and adherence to an originalist interpretation of the United States Constitution. This is the basis of my beliefs also.

            The “bolscheviks” are hard at work. Some of us are wise to it, unfortunatly, the MSM and the Big Government politicos are supporting that movement rather than adhering to Constitution and maintaining this republic and the “American Dream”.

          • talkinbout

            Re: JeffH, every movement has it’s fringe element. If the Communists and Socialists have gone to OWS they weren’t invited as far as I know. There are many reports, now, that the NYPD and the FBI are infiltrating OWS and aggitating to make the protesters look violent (bad). Most of the violence, so far, has come from the cops. With today’s technology there are plenty of videos to back that up.

            You folks have to get off of this socialism thing. As a country we’ve stolen the best ideas and people from all over the globe and, yes, we’ve always had an element of socialism in our demaocracy but that doesn’t mean we are going toward socialism as a way of life. Somehow the masters of propaganda have got people believing something is bad because they can put a name on it but if you think about it we grew up with a bit of socialism and we’ll die with a bit socialism.

            We drive on socialists roads, we assemble and recreate in socialists parks, we are educated in socialists schools, we are protected by a socialist police force, if our house catches fire we call a socialist fire department, socialists look after our food to be sure we don’t get sick from bad food, socialists watch out for our safety when we buy a car, when you flush the toilet it drains through socialists pipes and is treated in socialists facilitys, if you’ve ever bought insurance of any kind you’ve dabbled in socialism and it’s amazing how many right wing, supposedly anti-socialist, people I have talked to that are literaly living off of Social Security and Medicare. This economy has hit the middle class and the poor the worst but the one group, other than the wealthy, that is doing ok, though not great, is the retirees because of Social Security and Medicare.

            We’ve always accepted a little socialism in our system but the propagandists have convinced you that that is bad. By the way, whether you get your health insurance through the government (which has a lot lower overhead and doesn’t have profit as the bottom line -talk about death panels) or you buy it privately you’re investing in socialism – all pay so it will be there for those that need it. That’s part of socialism. If we got rid of everything that could be called socialism our lives would be much worse.

            My dictionary defines socialism as “ownership of exploitable capital and means of production by the government” but as far as I can tell the capitalists are still runnung the show in this country and they are more responsible for this economy than socialism.

            As usual, everything works in moderation but is subject to abuse. The idea is not to get rid of it but to control it for the betterment of all of us. We have always been a socialist democracy and have done pretty well with our system of government but like I said when it gets abused we have to control it and I believe it has gotten out of control.

            You call Obama a Marxist, well, that’s all well and good if you’re in a name calling mood but why then is he catering to the capitalists and getting gobs (according to many posters here) of money from them?

            I have my own problems with Obama but nothing that relates to what the right wing propagandists are saying.

          • socaldano

            Sharon, the difference between those I listen to and the rest is simple.
            Those I listen to speak with facts and no cover up. Those I dismiss are those who are so stuck in emotion that they wouldn’t know fact from fiction….
            Look at this manmade global warming farce…follow the money…grants are ONLY for “the effect of manmade global warming on [your favorite topic], if you don’t find an effect you lose your funding.
            Ask the founding fathers of Climatology at NASA who were all pushed out because they would not change their conclusions for Congressional Funding….this changed about 6 years ago when all 40 left NASA together and now the “yes men” are agreeing with the MMGW crowd to get funding from Congress.

          • fubar

            It is the republicans who denigrate people who do not agree with them. They believe, and are right about those unfortunate souls who believe what they are told by their authoritarian criminals, they believe that all people are stupid and do not pay attention to what is happening in this country. It is also not envy that has the 99% so pissed off. It is the fact that people are making obscene amounts of money for just going to work and doing their job. More obscene money is made by atheletes which is just as ridiculous as the amount of money these other people make. Society has become so greedy. Those that make the big money also have power. Power and money both corrupt. You lose your perspective. I would love to see a brain scan of someone who is overpaid and someone who makes the average amount of money. I would bet their brains work differently. Most people do not want to be rich. They just want to be comfortable. They want to make a living wage, however the republicans want this country to not only be an oligarchy, but a serfdom as well. Many of us would like to know how things got the way they are. Who thought up these insane salaries anyway? Did they just pull a figure out of their arse and say “I will pay you this much money. All you have to do is make money for us any way possible.” The middle class keeps having their money taken from them but the wealthy keep making more. People just want to know why.

        • Vagabond

          ronbo you need to return to the nut farm you exscped from,

          • djdrew103

            DaveH says:
            October 18, 2011 at 9:44 am
            “Listen to Eddie, the clueless one, asking somebody “Do you have a clue?”. Exactly what is your problem with Wall Street, Eddie? What is it that they do wrong in your opinion? Are they defrauding people? If so, why isn’t your Government stopping them?”
            …………… ……………….. ………….. ……………….

            Jesus Christ Dave, you are so intent on trolling Eddie that you make lame, unintelligent comments such as this? Where were you during the last three years our nation has suffered not at the hand of the blamed administration, but from the end results and at the hands of Corporate rape and fraud originating on Wall Street? Our current recession is the end result of Wall Street greed, not just one individual corporate company. It wasn’t merely Goldman Sachs, or AIG. It was also S&P’s willing manipulation of the ratings on those bundled mortgages, Fanny Make’s and Freddy Fraud’s intentional misreporting of the mortgages, and several institutions that sought unethical profits over responsibility.

            If you are so lost at realizing the blame of Wall Street being so unregulated just to make hype jib remarks at Eddie, I would say that he most likely has exposed your comments before for what they truly are most of the time, blind ignorance, and you are quite intent on making his day miserable as a childish response.

            “What is it that they do wrong in your opinion? Are they defrauding people?”

            Are you insane? No one here has any doubt whatsoever as to Wall Street’s greed, and although there has always been class discontent between the rich and the poor, its no reason to totally ignore the greed that seeks to make profits by being totally irresponsible of its actions and putting a nation, and a world, into a recession.

            What I want to know is why we could bail out the banks without penalizing the system. We created a trust fund for the affected tens of thousands during the BP oil spill disaster. Why not create a trust fund and collect its monies from the responsible parties we bailed out, and pay back some of the valid claims of the citizens who lost their lives and livelihood.

            These banks and financial institutions have recovered and companies like Goldman and Sachs and others are making record profits. Why aren’t they being accessed a penalty for the tax payer’s bailout and allowing that to be accumulated in a trust fund to bail out America?
            These companies made fortunes while they raped the system, then cried for help when the bubble burst.

            Now they are making profits again, and though not as much as when their greed turned to sin, they can afford a percentage take stake to a trust fund.

            So Dave, get over it, quit laying on Eddie and deal with the situations and life, and quit acting as if Wall Street isn’t the culprit!

          • JeffH

            djdrew103, get a clue…are you related to eddie? Where have you been for the last 2+ years while eddie was continually making uninformed and rediculous comments all the while name calling everyone that he disagreed with?

            It’s pretty obvious you and he have very comparable mentalities.
            Get a clue!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            djdrew103. His name is not Jesus Christ Dave. It is Dave H. To you, Jesus Christ may just be a cuss word, and you are gravely mistaken sir. Jesus Christ is my Lord and Saviour. Now you cannot say you didnt know, so you need to refrain from using it as such. May God forgive you.

          • eddie47d

            Jeff get a clue and quite trolling like Dave does each and everyday.You feel like my comments are ridiculous,fine that’s your opinion and no one can stop what come out of your mouth. I’m not sure if either you or Dave really knows what goes on within the halls of Wall Street considering the damage they have done over the years. We can vote out the stinkers in Washington but Wall Street always gets a free pass. Not this time.

          • JeffH

            eddie, you’re a hypocrit and a liar. You always presume to know what everyone else is thinking and love to put words in others mouths…whether the comment is addressed to you or not.

            Just how many different ways do you say BAAA?

          • DaveH

            Another ignorant comment by yet another ignorant Liberal, djdrew103.
            You think Wall Street is less regulated now? How clueless can one get? Please explain to me how we get less regulation from Bigger Government?
            For people more intelligent than Eddie and djdrew103:
            http://reason.org/news/show/the-myth-of-financial-deregula

          • DaveH

            Polly want a cracker, Eddie?
            Do you honestly think parroting Jeff and me makes you intelligent, Troll?
            You still haven’t told me how those evil Wall Street guys are ripping us off. The last I’ve heard, you don’t have to invest with them if you don’t want. And you don’t have to borrow from them if you don’t want.
            Also, it is your Big Government compatriots who bailed out the losers, not my kind of people.
            Tell us something intelligent, Troll.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            When it comes to the banter I see here about whether Wall Street does wrong or not, I would just have to offer this. If you want to invest in whatever in Wall Street, do it. If you dont, then dont. If I choose to invest into certain things, and I willingly put my money in Wall Street, then I either better trust them, or I am opening myself up to getting ripped off, one or the other. But there is absolutely no one forcing anyone to let them manage your money in any way, shape or form. So basically, it comes down to we the people, being the managers of our money. If we invest with those who fleece us, my suggestion to to stop giving them your money. Its pretty simple to me.

      • JIM

        WELL PAT SEEMS LIKE YOU ARE THE ONE WHO HAS BEEN BRAINWASHED.THE PEOPLE (99%) ARE JUST GETTING TIRED OF BEING SCREWED BY THE RICH AND THE BIG CORPORATIONS.

        • Andrew

          that’s poor pathetic loser talk, try risking all you own money and see who you think should get to keep it. Vacuous shallow minded lazy losers always think the successful hard working people are screwing them, it’s the nature of the couch potato.

          • talkinbout

            Again, to Andrew and anybody else that doesn’t think Wall Street does any wrong please check out this link:

            http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-great-american-bubble-machine-20100405

          • Old Henry

            talkinbout:

            I don’t think we have said W/Sdoes not evil. However, what they may have done pales in comparison to what the czreer criminals in Congress and The WH have done, are doing, will do. DC is where the clean-up needs to begin.

          • JeffH

            Again talkinbout, Andrew never said Wall Street never does anything wrong…you did!

            Without the help of Big Government’s cronies, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

            Don’t hate the players, hate the game and Big Government is gaming you and all the others that think otherwise. Start at the top and work down, not vice versa. Comprende?

        • Joe

          Your opinion would be different if you invested years of your life scrimping and saving to own your own business and your employees wanted to take it away from you because they thought they deserved it more than you did. Like most liberals, though, you have probably never had a real job or any business experience at all. You’re probably a college student or even worse, a college professor, who has never ventured outside the bubble world of academia. The real world is quite different from the one that you have been indoctrinated by.

          • eddie47d

            Although you didn’t direct you comment to me I have never shirked during any of my working career and am rather proud of my dedication to the companies I have worked for so you seem to be making silly assumptions about liberals.I do know liberals who are unemployed but it wasn’t a choice at the time. I also know conservatives who are unemployed so maybe you are the one poking at class warfare.

          • DaveH

            Eddie thinks he’s representative of Liberals. I doubt even the Liberals would claim Eddie.
            And, Eddie, joining a Union to coerce the hand that feeds you to feed you more than you’re worth is not being “loyal”.
            Unionists can only advance their compensation by depriving somebody else of some of theirs, whether it be the consumers, or the potential replacement workers, or the lost jobs of junior union workers, or the taxpayers.

          • Kinetic1

            Dave,
            “… joining a Union to coerce the hand that feeds you to feed you more than you’re worth…” Your argument is based on the premiss that a business is willing to pay a reasonable living wage. That’s a big assumption. While there are business owners who see the value of their workers there are just as many whose devotion to the bottom line drive them to pay as little as possible. And it’s not just pay. Unions were involved in the fight against child labor. They helped establish the 8 hour work day and the 5 day work week. Yes, there have been businesses that have suffered in negotiations with over zealous union negotiators, but it’s as broad a brush that paints all unions as corrupt as does one that paints all businesses of being heartless.

          • Dennis48e

            ” Unions were involved in the fight against child labor. They helped establish the 8 hour work day and the 5 day work week.”

            The unions as they exist today are not the same unions that helped accomplish those things.

          • JeffH

            Dennis48e. you’re absolutly correct! They ain’t the same, they’ve outlived their usefulness!

          • eddie47d

            Since you don’t personally know me Dave H your comments make you a liar once again. It’s rather sad that you always feel so superior to everyone else in your unsubstantiated comments on my life.

          • JeffH

            eddie says, “Since you don’t personally know me Dave H your comments make you a liar once again.”

            Take a look in the mirror you hypocrit!

          • DaveH

            Kinetic says “Unions were involved in the fight against child labor. They helped establish the 8 hour work day and the 5 day work week.”
            Both of those events are Union propaganda, Kinetic.
            Child labor declined dramatically over the decades as Capitalism improved peoples’ economic conditions so that children no longer needed to work to help out their families. Unions twisted the truth and took credit for that when in fact their main rally against Child Labor came about because they didn’t like the competition of Children who were unlikely to seek big wages and unlikely to join Unions.
            Workweeks shortened over the decades as people became more prosperous and could afford more leisure time. It had nothing to do with Unions. In fact our workweeks would probably be even shorter now if Unions weren’t extorting outlandish wages from companies and diminishing productivity with their ridiculous Work Rules.
            Some reality:
            http://mises.org/daily/1590

          • DaveH

            Eddie,
            What did I lie about? Are you not a Liberal? Are you not a Union advocate?

          • eddie47d

            Dave as usual is propagandizing the propaganda. Go write your fiction novels you’d be good at it.

        • DaveH

          Tell me, Jim, exactly how are the people being screwed by the Rich and Big Corporations?

          • Amy

            Read ‘Retirement Heist’ by Ellen Schultz.

          • talkinbout

            To DaveH, there is plenty of information out there on how the working class is being screwed by big money but you have to want to look into it.

          • DaveH

            Please explain how they do that? Can they force you to buy their products (excluding Government force)? Can they force you to work for them? What keeps you from starting your own competing companies (again excluding Government meddling)?

        • Old Henry

          Well Jim, I am tired of being screwed by the GOVERNMENT at every turn. I pay confiscatory taxes so that 47%+ do not have to pay any taxes.

          I am sick and tired of the 4th and 5th generation parsites sitting oneir butts smoking crack, making babies as fast as they can be made and running to collect a bigger check from the producers.

          I am sick of having to pay for Welfare, free housing, free medical care, free food, getting a “refund” every January when they paid no taxes.

          I am sick and tired of these illegal Mexes breaking and entering / trespassing in OUR country. I am sick and tired of paying confiscatory taxes to supprt these criminals.

          I am sick and tired of listiening to the state controlled media in this country running down our nation and trumpeting the communists in our government.

          I am sick and tired of having to pay confiscatory taxes to police the world.

          I am sick and tired of paying confiscatory taxes to pay government slugs to shut down lemonade stands.

          I am sick and tired of liberals / communists telling me how nasty and mean this country is. If they do not like it, GET THE HELL OUT and go to one of the numerous sh*t-hole countries elsewhare on the planet.

          I am sick and tired of having an anti-America foreigh national conducting an occupation of OUR WH flying around the world in a taxpayer-funded corporate jet running down the American people and our country.

          I am sick and tired of Good being called evil and evil being called good by the liberals / communists in this country.

          However, I am soon going to be well and rested.

          • talkinbout

            How do you feel about corporate welfare?

          • Void1972

            Old Henry
            Your a good man and I hope your around to see America back on top! We have a battle coming to our doors, but I know good men like yourself will go down fighting for this great nation.
            God bless you and those who will defend his creation!
            In God we trust!

          • Jibbs

            talkinabout will never understand what you just said.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I dont know what they have done to you, but not one big or rich corporation has ever screwed me, nor am I in a position that they could ever screw me. If I dont like their product, or their price, I wont buy it. If they have something I want, at a price I want to pay, Im going to pay them for it. That is what made this country great sir. Stop demonizing those who succeed, and start giving a push to those who fail to step up and be better and maybe even get a job. Eh?

        • KHM

          @ JIM and some of the other replies.
          You are missising the real culprit here. Wall Street took advantage of a government policy. Government is the primary villain. The Dems put in place, through CRA the requirement that banks loan to people they knew could not pay off the loan.(Carter admin, then Clinton) Wall Street came up with the derivatives called CDOs or MBS, backed by the government. Because they were government guaranteed, they were purchased globally. The Fed made money ridiculously easy to borrow with super low interest rates. Thus the housing and personal credit bubbles. Greeed from the individual who got the ninja loan to the mortgage broker to Wall Street to Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Franklin Raines, Tim Johnson and a few others are to blame.
          Wall Street is manipulated by day traders and the big institutional investors, which is why the little guy has pretty much gotten out of the market.
          But to the point of the article, the Republican Establishment is deluded into thinking that if they are more like the the Dems the Dems will meet them halfway and they can get things done. They don;t seem to realize that this is a whole new ballgame and the Dems, taken over by the Left, wants to make up the rules as they go along. They (the Progs) also want to pursue their radical ideology which they’ve been working toward for about a century. The newly elcted Conservatives realize this and are actually more in tune with the majority of the country. That is what they have to guard against not only the Dems, but those in their own party who are progressives.
          “Fasten your seat belts, it’s going to be a bumpy ride” (Bette Davis)

          • JeffH

            KHM, BINGO! “Wall Street took advantage of a government policy. Government is the primary villain.”

            It’s so simple even a cave man could figure it out…(not you KHM)

          • talkinbout

            Republicans doing their best to blame the Democrats for the economic recession we are going through, as if they had nothing to do with it. I find it ironic that the party that’s always telling people to take responsibility for what they do, never does.

            It’s true that people from both sides of the aisle played some part in it but let’s not forget which party was in total charge of everything while this happened or the bills that a Republican congress sent to President Clinton that were veto proof.

            Most people understand that the economic meltdown was the result of over zealous financiers who knew they were building a house of cards with subprime mortgages and derivatives but everybody was doing it and they were raking in too much money to stop. The fact is that government regulators under the Bush administration failed to do their jobs and in many cases the Dems went along.

            In 1999, Phil Gramm, as chair of the Senate Banking Committee, pushed through a bill to dissolve the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act which prohibited banks, investment houses and insurance companies from combining into one corporation so that the crash of one of them would not bring down the other two. During congress’s Christmas break of 2000 he snuck a short provision into an 11,000-page appropriations bill that “derivatives” were not to be regulated or even monitored by the government. Many Democrats including Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and financial advisers Robert Rubin and Lawrence Summers went along and benefitted.

            On April 28, 2004, then SEC chairman Bill Donaldson presided over a little noticed SEC meeting in which the Big Five investment banks were granted exemption from a requirement that they keep a sizable amount of money on hand to cover potential loses thus allowing the banks to put more money into derivatives and to let the banks monitor the level of risk they were putting on investors and, ultimately, taxpayers.

            In 2005 President Bush chose Chris Cox to succeed Bill Donaldson as SEC chair. Cox weakened the ability of the enforcement staff to investigate securities violations by Wall Street firms, much less prosecute them and eliminated an office that had been set up specifically to watch out for future problems with high risk investments.

            Fed chairman Alan Greenspan fought through four presidencies to prevent even the meekest oversight by the Fed or any other agency. So the bubble kept expanding.

            In Bush’s bailing out of the banks, Secretary of the Treasury, Henry Paulson, saw to it that his Wall Street buddies, the same people who caused the crash, received taxpayer funds to bail them out without taxpayer input as to how the money would be spent.

            Obama’s bailout of GM and Crysler was a loan with stipulations that they would restructure and pay back the loan with interest. Not to mention the number of jobs that loan saved, the government has made a profit from the GM loan interest.

            President Ronald Reagan increased the debt an average of 14.4 percent per year for eight years. He and President George H.W. Bush quadrupled the debt. Bush recognized the problem and increased taxes, which, when added to the military wind down, the technology boom and tax raise on the rich during the Clinton years lead to the prosperity of the 1990s.

            Ross Perot deserves credit for demonstrating the facts to the voters in 1992.

            In 1993, President Bill Clinton signed the Deficit Reduction Act without a single Republican vote and under Clinton, there was the 1997 Balanced Budget Act. The debt increased only 3.9 percent per year under Clinton, and in fiscal 2000 there was $237 billion surplus.

            The Balanced Budget Act was repealed in 2001 so the GOP could enact the George W. Bush tax cuts. The debt increased $5.2 trillion under Bush, at 8.5 percent a year.

            An argument could also be made that while Republicans borrowed and added to the debt to help make themselves and their friends richer and more powerful, mostly through war profiteering and tax cuts, Obama borrowed and spent in an effort to save jobs and revive the economy and, in all likelyhood, saved the economy from going into a full blown depression.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            talkinbout points are so screwed up. If he wants to talk about bank problems, he needs to address Bill Clinton’s program of the American dream that everyone should be able to own a house, then using Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac funds to back up bank loans, guaranteed by the government, to loan money to people who no way in hell could ever pay it back. Overseen by one top democrat Barney Frank, and ran by none other than top ranking democrats Franklin Raines and Jamie Gorelick, they set into motion all the things that made the bank collapses possible. But of course, since Bill Clinton was gone, we cant hold him responsible for the very things he set up now can we? And if anyone walks into the White House, and totally plunders the intelligence agencies and military and cuts them in half, they would find a lot of money on their hands to make it appear they are balancing the budget. But one down the line has to pay for the miss-appropriations that these people made, and we are paying to this day. Also, although many have done it, I totally believe that Bill Clinton plundered the billions of surplus that was in Social Security. I mean think about it. They now cry that the baby boomers are such a drain on it, but gee, didnt these same baby boomers pluck billions of dollars into Social Security for 40 or 50 years? Yes they did. Now where did it all go? I get Social Security statements mailed to me, and it seems they were showing it was in good shape, until about the time Clinton left office. Gee whiz, I wonder what could have happened? I mean, after all, we are dealing with a couple here who tried to even steal the White House furniture when they left. Think about it.

      • Jibbs

        I think Ron and Ronbo are the same person. Maybe Bob Livingston could look into that.

        • eddie47d

          Maybe you are i41 so maybe he could look into that also.

          • DaveH

            He could look under the bridge to find you, Eddie, Troll.

          • Old Henry

            I was not awareei41 was still around eddie. I have not seen any posts by him for quite a while.

          • Old Henry

            Dave, you seem to be a bit grouchy today. LOL!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            eddie has that effect on all of us after awhile. He comes here to try everyones patience, and thats about it.

          • JeffH

            Old Henry, i41 was banned for repeated inappropriate comments, even after multiple warnings and the testing of Mr. Livingston’s patience.

          • DaveH

            No, I’m not grouchy today, Henry. I just detest useless Liberal Trolls.

        • eddie47d

          I was trying to be funny with Jibbs,Old Henry and yes i41 was banned from this site about 4 months ago.

          • JeffH

            eddie, I think you should know that nobody is laughing with you…at you, YES, but not with you! :)

          • eddie47d

            Your such a smartazz little tart Jeff. You never waiver from being immature in all your replies.

          • JeffH

            Polly want a cracker? baaarrraaakkkk!

          • eddie47d

            LOL Case proven!

      • djdrew103

        I could never understand the willingness of the people to lean extreme left, or extreme right, without acknowledging the need to be in the middle. It really is a “nation of stupid” as touted on YouTube and so many other sources. The efforts of the American populace to remain “stupid” is what brought on this recession, with the help of greedy others. This movement has been hyped by the media to be nothing other than directionless hooligans and now communists. Boy ooh boy, I get so tired of people slinging the unlikable phrase around to attempt a surge of acceptance for one’s otherwise stupid outlooks and opinions, and to spike opposition to an otherwise very necessary protest against Wall Street greed. No one in their right mind can put capitalist agendas up for being a savior of our nation. Media hype has swayed popular vote and opinion for decades, and long gone are the days of real reporters and faithfully truthful columnists.

        Its all about leaning towards the popular opinion, and reacting as puppets to the rich and powerful and capitalistic corporate wishes. Even MSNBC is owned 50% by GE who took so much grief over paying in not just $0 in taxes but even received a rebate refund.

        Sure the protest seems to have taken a direction with no direction, but it was all about the people, we the people, empowering the people to take action. Now is the time for others with more promising unifying goals to take action and give the protest fuel and fire. If we are to wait with our words and not protest until total collapse is imminent and revolution is at hand, then what good has it done to try to resurrect something valid from the ashes? Its now that the otherwise stupid people need to feel the power of the movement and gather some input to make it even more valid.

        Direction?

        What stupid, moronic, fool needs to know that the issues that are already present.

        Wall Street greed totally unregulated, as Bush destroyed banking regulations to the point that the recession could happen in the first place at the hands of Wall Street.

        Lame Duck government at the hands of a Republican Party more intent on making power plays than they are in trying to head the country in some form of direction. The Party of No got its iconic name for a reason. What have they put on the table in the past three years that could even resemble a cure or treatment for growth in our nation? Nothing, nothing at all other than extreme opposition to the administration.

        All the reasons for the movement are there and only a fool could say that the protest labels nothing to protest about or claim particular gripes of what ails our Nation.

        What is wrong with it now is that the power is there representing the people, and now the important figures that could come in and take a hand are cowardly waiting in the sidelines to see what happens, in fear of rebuttal for their possible participation from Wall Street and the self preserving nature of the power structures in our country.

        What is totally wrong the picture is the recurring addiction to STUPIDITY that possesses the American populace, their contentedness to be led by the media to believe what they want to, or rather what the “media” wants you too.

        • djdrew103

          We also need to look at the fact that given all the media hype to play down the validity of the reasons that the protesters assembled in the first place, it has stalled the presence of the real problems to seek to take the wind out of their sails in the public eye merely under the premise that until the weather turns cold as winter approaches, the protesters have no choice but to dwindle out.

          Anyone that thinks this conversation hasn’t taken place across $130,000 solid wood conference tables on Wall Street is a blind propagandist themselves.

        • DaveH

          I believe you just set a new record for name-calling, condescension, ridicule and other manipulative tactics, djdrew103.

        • Alan

          It has always been that way! 1/3 of the Nation fought to secure liberty for everyone, 1/3 of the Nation sided with the Monarchs and 1/3 of the Nation sat back to see which side prevailed! We have always had these factions within the Country. How does the old saying go? Nothing to see here, move it along!

      • http://JOGYOURMIND Beaureguard

        8 July 2011

        FASCISTS RULE AMERICA, (A GOVERNMENT BOUGHT AND PAID FOR)

        In the 1920′s when Americas richest were hoping for a fascist controlled government like Italy and Germany. When the richest one-percent owned 40% of the nations wealth while 50% of Americans were living at below the minimum subsistence rate. Taxes’ for the rich fell to 25% by 1925, labor unions declined, 6,000 companies were swallowed up and only 200 corporations controlled over half of all our countries industry. In 1919 there was 156 millionaire’s and by 1929 the number increased to 1,489. (While our majority suffered.)

        Now the date is July 8th, 2011, the richest fascist 1% own 90% of our nations wealth, while our unemployed middle class are losing their jobs, homes and cars, that they can’t afford to buy gas for. While the Fascist Rich wallow in their subsidies, government socialism, while not even paying their taxes. The top twenty five hedge fund managers earn two million a day. That’s more than a middle class worker earning fifty thousand a year earns in a lifetime. (This is all supported by the Tea Party members that elected Governors that are abolishing, not only our middle class, but our DEMOCRACY and our way of life)

      • OldStabby

        Ron,

        Talk about usefull idiots, you take the cake! If a Democrat is a communist then you as a Republican are a NAZI. Understand your politics. The extreme-extreme left is communism and extreme-extreme right = NAZI / fascism. The ignorance in America astounds me. Do yourself a favor and turn off fox news for one month and clear your mind of the hate they spew. They are people who want to anger you with lies so that you will work for them. Their goal is to divide and conquer. Pit the average people against themselves that way you they won’t be working against the people who are robbing us blind. It’s not so much the tax code but the new capitalist world order. The order in which our jobs and tax base are exported to communist countries where there are slaves to be exploited. Wake up and smell the burnt toast dummy. Wait that smell isn’t toast it’s your ass being burned by the people you work for.. idiot..

    • Andrew

      blind and ignorant is no way to go through life unless you’re an Obama lemming.

      • Ronbo

        Let’s just say ANY lemming. If tax cuts for the rich stimulated the economy then we’d be in the biggest economic expansion in history. Obama signed that extension of the Bush tax cuts and we are STILL in a depression. Tax cuts just make the rich, richer – as they amass fortunes while we poor Americans amass debt.

        • combat seabee

          Then you might try attributing that to his regulatory bodies that aren’t boding well for business.With regulations running amok, no business in their right mind woud even try to expand! The only expansion in business is the “Gifts” of stimulus money to obama supporting companies and CEO’s as evidence by Solyandra, Government motoers, oh yeah, evety union member got a $6,000.00 bonus, not for production, but as an obama payout!!!~

          • JIM

            YOU NEED TO CHECK YOUR FACTS AND QUIT LISTENING TO FOX NEWS AND ALL THE IDIIOTS THAT ARE ON IT.

          • DaveH

            What are your “facts”, Jim? Shout it out.

          • Kinetic1

            Combat Seabee,
            Let’s not play fast and loose with the facts. Yes, Ford Workers received a $6,000 bonus and GM workers $5,000, but it is not just some arbitrary pay out. This is part of an agreement that ends guaranteed raises for workers and, instead ties their future wages to company profits. It may seem like they are getting handfuls of free money, but this agreement with the UAW was designed to give the auto companies the ability to increase their workforce while remaining competitive in the world auto markets. This is the point of Unions, to give workers the collective voice needed to negotiate and find a mutually beneficial compromise. Sure, Rush would have you believe that Unions weaken the power of the individual to negotiate for their own best interest, but how even the most valuable worker has limited leverage when negotiating with those who could fire you at the drop of a hat.

          • Alan

            @Kinetic1 Let’s not play fast and loose with the facts!

            If these Unions had not pressed for this socialism (guaranteed raises for workers), then I might have bought a GM made vehicle. Instead, this is the kind of ludicrous mentality that drove me to buying an American made Toyota. Yep, my Toyota is made in Kentucky and is not stamped with 80% assenbled by UAW workers in Detroit. The parts list is a myriad of originations for GM vehicles.

            You can spin it however you want. But, Union members did get handfuls of free money. I have never had a Union negotiate anything for me and I get pretty rosie contracts from the Companies I work for. I do what my contract states for me to do and no one threatens to fire me! But then again, I went to college and through 9 years got a degree in CS (all at night scgool while working a full time job) and negotiated the terms of my contracts directly with capital. And then I use my purchasing power to buy the products that benefit other Americans, not the Globalists. I happen to be an independent thinking conservative that fought for your right to espouse any drivel you care to and secured by our Constitution.

        • Sharon Jeanguenat

          And, for your information, of the 312 million who live in this country, only about 1400 of them are millionaires, & EVERY one of them paid taxes last year on their earnings. So if you took away every penny every one of the millionaires has, it wouldn’t be a drop in the bucket compared to what Obama & his bunch have racked up. The $14 trillion that he’s run up in just 3 yrs is the biggest part of why we’re in this hole to begin with. That & penalizing small businesses to the point of putting them OUT of business.

          • Chris

            Sharon

            Your figures are way off base. As of May 2011, there are over 10 million households in the US with a net worth of $1 million or more.

          • DanB

            But if you want to control the economy from one central, authoritarian government, putting the small businesses out of business makes perfect sense. It is a lot more practical to control the economy, and the people, if you only have a smaller number of select businesses that government controls. It is really impractical to control millions of businesses and millions of people. But everyone needs food, shelter and clothing. The easiest way to control people is to control their basic needs. The easiest way to control their basic needs is to control how they acquire those needs. The easiest way to control how the people acquire those basic needs is to control the businesses that provide them. By so doing, they control both our jobs to earn the money to exchange for the goods as well as the production, supply, and distribution of those same goods. And thus government controls the people and we are no longer able to oppose the government that rules over us.

            I know I am being pessimistic here.

            Here’s government irony. To protect us from food contamination, the government passes stricter regs on food handling and processing. What businesses can afford the new regs? The large businesses. Where do most of the violations happen? The large businesses. So if the large businesses are centralizing the problems, why does government keep passing laws and regs driving the industry into one large food corporation? Because it is a lot easier for government to control and manipulate a few large food processors than to control all the local farmers. It centralizes power to the government.

            So when I consider Romney, I fear for America’s future, and I even share his religious faith. Our church teaches humility and repentance, as well as faith in Christ. When he continues to tout “Romney-care” as a great move for his state (even as it is destroying the state’s health care and economy), then I am inclined to think he has too much political pride whether Romney personally knows that law was a mistake or not even for a State. I would think he would understand more about freedom considering my understanding of our scripture, but there are many in my faith take very different stands on many political subjects. In fact, I know some seem to believe they are better off because they are poor. Irony then that so many of our leaders achieved financial success before being “called to serve”.

            For now, I see Mitt Romney as an establishment Republican, doing that which is perceived as politically expedient more than standing firm on principles.

            Ron Paul would interest me more if he actually left politics for a season first. I know we are out of time as a nation, but he has been in politics too long for my taste right now. I would want to see who he was if he were to give up politics. What dreams, aspirations would he have. Who does he want to be? Who is he as a man? I have a general idea who he is as a politician.

            Herman Cain interests me. And so I follow sites like this to find out what conservatives, libertarians think of Herman Cain. The only time I care what the mainstream media think of a candidate is if they start promoting him/her. Then I ask myself what I need to fear there, which is probably part of why I am leery of Romney.

            Michelle Bachmann is the other that interests me. She seems to have lost steam. Which makes me sad. So far, her campaign is the only one that has answered one of the tough questions I have with what I thought was the correct answer even though it was not the politically expedient or politically correct reply.

            Those are three that excite me that they are in the presidential races. They aren’t perfect, and each brings with them things to be leery of–even Ron Paul. However, I was so hoping that with such as these that we might see a better debate going into Republican nomination with more emphasis on limited government.

            Now the only person I heard give my dream answer is someone not even running for any political office. And that was that the only executive order they would pass is one to abolish all executive orders, past, present and future. That they would get the executive branch out of the business of creating law and push that back to where it belonged in the legislative branch of the federal government. And that is why Michelle Bachmann’s campaign has come the closest so far of any of what I have read, heard, or seen. It wasn’t a swearing off of executive orders, but it was the closest I have seen to a candidate say that they would push to do things the right way, the Constitutional way. Even for all of Ron Paul’s supposed limited Government push, I have yet to see statements that he would do the right things even if it meant that the American people failed to grasp liberty when it was given to them. That he would not use executive orders to push America back to freedom. Find me these quotes, these speeches, and I might be more inclined to support Ron Paul. Until then, I am very leery of Ron Paul because I have learned that some of those who are most dangerous to the cause of liberty are sometimes those very freedom fighters who are the most devoted warriors for liberty. That is why I wish I could see who Ron Paul is outside of politics for a season.

          • Opal the Gem

            The 1,400 number is the .00014% of the millionaires that pay little or no taxes. The rest pay their taxes just like the rest of the country.

          • djdrew103

            Dave H.

            I am so tired, as aI am sure many otehrs are, of hearing your troll comments agaisnt others.

            So here, show your brains!

            What are your suggestions? Don’t just spread dissenting hype about the administration. Show us where your republican Lords and Masters have put ANYTHING on the table that would closely resemble a plan for the American people? tell us oh please, share with us your wisdom, and allow us to be enlightened. Your total comments have merely been to put others down, while you call THEM trolls.

            Give us your supreme words of wit, don’t just defend your Repug flunkies in office or the foolish assortment of puppet jousters they have presented as candidates. Give us some solid reasons why people should vote for the “Party of No” and the “Party of Do Nothing”!

            I bet you can’t type out a worthy paragraph that shows any propositions that were worthy of our nation’s leaders without switching over to merely spreading propagandized trash against the administration as an excuse for hiding the total lack of intelligent input towards curing or at least merely treating the country’s problems.

            What? You wish to claim that if a Republican President had of been voted into office, they wouldn’t have blanketed the country with a stimulus package of their own? Would they have continued to be the Party of Do Nothing and merely let the people bathe in a depression rather than a recession? Would they have already pulled our troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan and had them home, while insuring that our presence there wasn’t a total waste of time? Are we to believe that they would have ordered better reprisal and conditions for handling the BP oil spill? Oh wait, that’s right. They wanted to apologize to BP for being rude to them in their treatment of the oil god. Are we to believe as you do that they could have done better. Tell us about it all oh mighty wizard of our recovery.

          • JeffH

            djdrew103 says to DaveH…”Are we to believe as you do that they(Republicans)could have done better.”

            Yeah right, DaveH always promotes the Republicans and he’s an even bigger fan of McCain…

            Pay attention and get a clue ya eddie wannabe!

          • JeffH

            …and just like eddie, you can’t even post your comment in the correct place.

          • Old Henry

            DJ, I think you are fairly new here. DaveH has posted many times what needs to be done to get the U.S. back on its feet, up and running.

            Hqng around and you will ultimately see it posted again. And a bit of advice when arguing with DaveH with your liberal big govt. crap, don’t bring a knife to a gun fight.

          • Old Henry

            “Ronbo”, I didn’t realize they had electricity and computers in the jungle.

          • eddie47d

            No shame in Jeff and he always has to ridicule someone even when they aren’t involved. You are so desperate Jeff.

          • JeffH

            eddie, if you’re going to use a word, at least understan what it means and don’t use it out of context.

            des·per·ate (dspr-t)
            adj.
            1. Having lost all hope; despairing.
            2. Marked by, arising from, or showing despair: the desperate look of hunger; a desperate cry for help.
            3. Reckless or violent because of despair: a desperate criminal.
            4. Undertaken out of extreme urgency or as a last resort: a desperate attempt to save the family business.
            5. Nearly hopeless; critical: a desperate illness; a desperate situation.
            6. Suffering or driven by great need or distress: desperate for recognition.
            7. Extremely intense: felt a desperate urge to tell the truth.

          • eddie47d

            That reply invokes even more desperation.LOL

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            djdrew is so screwed up. Do you read any of these posts? You accuse Dave of being a Republican. That is a scream. Open mouth, insert foot. Dave slams the Republicans for the things they do wrong, and quite often pal. And like any of us with a brain, he detests the liberal democrats who seek to sink this great nation. If djdrew paid any ioto of attention at all, he would know that Dave is a Libertarian, not a Republican. I love it when the liberals show their total ignorance and expose themselves for who they really are.

        • Lueder

          Ronbo,

          How many poor employers do you know? I know of……NONE!! When we tax the rich into oblivion, do you know what they do? THEY GO AWAY!! And take any jobs they might have to offer to another country where labor is cheaper. It really is a simple economic concept. Everyone has a budget, even businesses. If they pay higher taxes, the money must come from another part of the budget, perhaps payroll. If the money to pay for the higher taxes comes out of payroll, then jobs are lost. It HAS to come from somewhere.

          And if you think that socialism and communism are so wonderful, why do you and Michael Moore just pack up and get the hell out of America and go live in one of those wonderful countries that offer the perks of Socialism/Communism? Oh! Wait! There are none.

          • Lueder

            Oops! A typo. That should be why DON’T you and Michael….

          • Old Henry

            Lueder:

            Wages do play a part in businesses leaving, but the over-bearing govt. regulation and taxation are also a major factor.

            Most well-run businesses can pay the higher wages and make money by working smarter as you still get a return on investment. However, govt. regulations have no pay-back for a business, they only eat away at the profitability of that company.

        • Andrew

          You poor brainwashed lemming. Those people earned their money, the top 10% pay 70% of all income taxes. The bottom 46% pay no income taxes or get money they didn’t earn back. So is nothing their fair share? You need to earn your own money and pay your own fair share of taxes before “you people” call for the people paying all the taxes now to pay more.

          • Realist

            The top 10 percent pay 70percent of the taxes and the lower 49 pay nothing or get refunds. That is true. The complaint is that the middle
            41 percent are being charged a higher rate (percent of income) than the
            upper classes. If I have to give up 28 percent of my income to the king
            then the wealthy should do the same. You may argue that the wealthy pays 70 percent of taxes but they own 99 percent of personal wealth. So If I pay 9000 dollars of my earnings out of 61,000 earned, then a millionaire should pay the same percentage, but they do not and that is the reality that upsets most taxpayers. You may argue that the wealthy pay less so they can hire more people but that is bullsh*t.
            Personal and company wealth is two different things and most dummies cannot separate and differentiate the two. Reality is most of the very wealthiest pay less than 6 percent of their total earnings annually. They have huge loopholes a write-offs and they always find a bogus donation they have given to, to write off as well.
            Just pay their fair share, that is my beef…as far as the poor is concerned, I am tired of supporting them to…especially the foreigners who linger here to sap off the public welfare trough and take American jobs too!

          • HarryButtle

            I’m with you on most of this. With almost all wealth in the US concentrated with the richest 1%, it’s just bizarre to claim that the US is moving toward socialism. It astonishes me that there are people who at this late date who still believe it was the government that took their money. It’s just bizarre. But the Keynesian model would work just fine if we actually tried it. It’s been corrupted beyond imagination.

            Proceeds from massive tax cuts for corporations go to China too and to the national debt. People still believe the debt is caused by domestic spending despite incontrovertible evidence otherwise. Still China holds only 8% of our debt.

            I know the Democrats have been disappointing, but in continuing to vote Republican, America not only acts against its self-interest, it acts against its prospects for survival.

            Of course Citizens United has to be eliminated. I doubt that there’s ever been a Supreme Court decision more in contradiction to our founding principles or more hostile to the American people.

            “There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.” -Warren Buffett

          • Old Henry

            Andrew:

            As all thinking people know, the income tax code was set up as a social engineering arm of the politicians to give them power to control the populace, allow them to pick winners / loser, and buy votes.

          • Old Henry

            Realist:

            How do you feel about Steve Forbes flat tax proposal?

            Or, Cain’s current 9/9/9?

          • Old Henry

            I would assume Harry that you advocate voting Libertarian?

          • eddie47d

            Thank you Realist and amen to your comment.

          • Marty S.

            The higher up scum are promoting this “revolution”. This is the October Surprise the left had planned and timed for this month. Welcome to the the next chapter in the progressives play book. Obama and his loons have done all possible to trash the country first, continually kicking us while we are down and then turning it into class warfare by sparking a protest. By right this should turn around and bite him and his on the butt come election time though it likely will not sadly enough.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I myself, a man of limited income, 50 grand a year range, do not detest and demand those richer than I, be taxed to death. I hear these people demonzing successful people right and left, yet they dont seem to complain at all about the thousands who lay around all day, refusing to work, living off of government handouts. It used to be that success was rewarded, and failure was punished. Now, we as a country punish success, and reward failure. What a stinking mess. I hear these people say these millionaires pay no tax. Bull. Bull crap. I offer up Bill Gates. Figure up the income taxes he pays, the payroll taxes he pays for his employee’s, the sales tax he pays on his purchases, the fuel tax he pays on his travels, and I guarantee not a one of you would want to have to pay his tax bill. Do you? I dont think so. It so easy and convenient to be a victim.

        • Joe

          Anything Obama has done has been temporary band aid fixes only. Businesses cannot operate without longer term assurances that the rules won’t be changed the day after they make massive investments in technology, retooling, or new hires. They need to know where they will be 10, 15 and 20 years down the road before they can make any plans and Obama isn’t giving them the assurances they need.

          • eddie47d

            Congress is the one who isn’t giving this nation any assurances on the stability question. Few Presidents get much done without the cooperation of Congress and with an approval rating of 8% I think we know where the problem lies.

          • Ellen

            Eddie, Do you realize that half of Congress (the Senate) is controlled by Democrats? And, he still can’t get his ideas pushed through. That should be a large red flag that there is a problem with his plans. Remember his budget that didn’t get a single vote in the Senate? Obama is a fool and people are finally starting to realize it.

          • Opal the Gem

            Ellen, Don’t you know anything? While obama is in office its all congress fault but when Bush was in office it was all Bush’s fault. At least that is the gospil according to eddie.

          • eddie47d

            So the Senate passes a bill and the House votes it out so what difference does it make who is in control. The bill still doesn’t pass. The same scenario would play out over Bush Ms Opal.

          • JeffH

            eddie, and vice-versa…

          • Opal the Gem

            “The same scenario would play out over Bush Ms Opal.’

            So now you admit it is NOT Bushes fault huh eddie. This is the first time you didn’t blame him for all the problems.

          • eddie47d

            Why are you repeating what I just said Jeff? Does it make you feel smarter. So Sorry it doesn’t.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            According to guys like eddie, its all Bush’s fault. So it must be Bush’s fault that people are millionaires and successful. Damn that guy.

        • Ellen

          Ronbo, Tax cuts DID stimulate the economy. Bush’s tax rates have brought in more money to the federal government than Clinton’s higher rates. The problem is that spending has doubled. If spending stayed the same, we wouldn’t have a deficit at all. By the way, welfare has doubled in the past 10 years and costs over $1 trillion annually now. There is our biggest problem, yet Congress ignores it in order to be politically correct. 40% of all babaies born annually in the US are born into poverty. Who is going to pay for all that welfare? Who is going to pay taxes in the future, as we know the welfare children perform poorly in school and nearly all of them repeat the welfare cycle. You need to start reading facts, not listening to TV news that spoonfeeds garbage to willing listeners. They’re telling you lies and you believe them.

          • Joyce from Loris

            Ellen, last year the government released data that stated that a family of 4 on welfare makes just under $45,000 a year. That’s with food stamps, HUD housing, utility assistance, etc. Now, a working family of four (dad and mom both work) makes less than $39,000 a year. And you say people are born in poverty? The “poor”? In our community in SC, the welfare people are living much better than the working people. They all have new shoes, new clothes EVERY MONTH. They have nice cars, live in the pretty little brick houses on Main Street. They have no worries in the world! They all have color TVs, computers and internet, cell phones.. that’s not poverty. I was born before welfare was “invented”, and I KNOW poverty. We were poor, but we learned to work hard, save our money and educate ourselves. The “war on poverty” has been lost. When the welfare checks and food stamp money doesn’t show up the first of the month, you will see rioting in the streets! And it will happen, as the nation is BROKE, not only broke but so far in debt that all the money in the world will never be able to pay it back! All that has to happen is for China or Japan to decide one day NOT to purchase our Treasury Bonds. In 24 hours of that, the nation will be OVER as we know it. Only the people who are skilled in taking care of themselves will survive.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Are you serious? A family of 4 on welfare makes just under 45,000.00? How does this work? The reason I say this, is I work 50 hours a week, and Im around 50 grand, and I live pretty comfortable. I have no debt except my house payment. My vehicle is paid for. I can go out to eat with my wife once a week. I buy season tickets for us to our local professional CHL hockey team, and I want for nothing. So how are people collecting that much in handouts? Thats rediculous. Its high time a lot of these folks actually got a job, and went to work. But when our own government makes it lucrative to be a sponge on society, and afford people a life of riley to stay home and Uncle Sam will take care of everything, well, something is wrong here and needs fixed. Thats all I have to say about this.

        • DaveH

          For those, like Ronbo, who just can’t seem to grasp reality:
          http://www.freetheworld.com/2011/reports/world/EFW2011_complete.pdf

          Why is it that so many people advocate that which has proven unworkable throughout History (Socialism)?

          • Monte

            I think they believe they will get something for nothing. What they can’t provide through themselves, they’ll steal from someone else. It is incredible that such a scam would actually have a name (other than theft, of course).

        • Don

          Ron-bo is the bo for your chief in charge or is it for b o ?? and how many poor people have given you a job, o that’s right, liberals don’t want jobs, they just want the money handed to them, you people disgust me !!!!

        • DonnieB

          First of all there were NO tax cuts. The taxes stayed the same. It appears to me that you didn’t listen to your Obama at all. He said, among others that raising taxes in a recession is the last thing that we should do. We should have lowered taxes. We did merely kept them the same.

          I see that there are numerous socialist responding here. Tax the rich is the only thing that you know. Everyone should be paying taxes. As the illustrious Vice President said, get some skin in the game. If you don’t pay any taxes you don’t care how someone else’s money is spent.

          Further to address your point about big business screwing the little guy, a business doesn’t force your to buy a product. The government FORCES you to pay taxes. Crony capitalism abounds but you know what businesses do not make laws. Bought and paid for legislators make those laws. Just look around at the solar industry. You don’t find anything wrong with the current administrations action in regards to giving loans to failing companies that are friends of Obama and the campaign contributions that get kicked back? If not, you certainly can’t call yourself concerned about the deficits that are being racked up.

          Yes them Democrats did protest when Bush & others were in power but their complaints are is that not enough money was spent.

          Re-read the Constitution. There are very few things that the federal government is allowed to do and for about the last 100 years many unconstitutional laws have been past. Get rid of them and get back to what they should be doing. It is spelled out what they are allowed to do.

    • DanB

      Several Dems (not Obama necessarily) have already hinted at the idea that suspending the elections might be a good thing “to get things done”. This may not be so much fiction as a real possibility. If not this election, perhaps an election in the future. The fact that America is not crying out “foul” for such declarations is very telling. Most of the media ignored it, so most of us don’t even realize it. And those of us that do just think of it as the basic radical calls of politicians that never become reality. Well those of us who actually listened to President Obama during his campaign in 2008, we knew he was going to be the President we have today with radicals all around himself and generally taking over the government. We knew then that there was a risk that this might be the last time we got to vote for the President of the United States of America. So people like me really hope the Tea Party can be part of some miracle to save America because we as a people are very far gone. We have forgotten what freedom is, so how can treasure that which is foreign to us?

      • Walt

        Suspend the elections? Can anyone really take what Jesse jackson Jr. says seriously? He is just another socialist wannabe brat living in the shadow of his parasite father’s legacy of corporate extortionism, brainwashed with an entitlement and reparations dogma.

      • Joyce from Loris

        You are exactly right. Even Obama told his hispanic audience that if he could by pass congress, and make laws on his own, he would. He now has his czars taking his newest job plan apart, piece by piece, to see what parts he can push through executively, without congress’s input. Scary times, and when you hear so many of the democrats in power SUGGESTING that the elections be suspended, you have to wonder what they are up to.

    • Sharon Jeanguenat

      This is NOT fiction. One democrat governor has already called for the suspension of the 2013 elections. So, you better get ready. This has been the goal all along. Obama isn’t going to run for re-election, because he won’t HAVE to. If he declares martial law, he can then suspend the elections until he deems it ‘safe’ to have them again. And, of course, that won’t happen. However what he has NOT considered are the millions of Americans who will not take that laying down, so this country may be in some SERIOUS trouble. I hope & pray that I’m wrong, but from all that I can read it seems to be on its’ way. And, no, I did NOT that from Fox News. I got a lot of my info from some people outside of America who know how to read the signs or where we’re heading.

      • Sam I am

        I can’t see them suspending elections without an awful pretext. More likely would be staging a terrorist attack and them suspending them because we have to deal with a city being nuked. Or perhaps a bio weapon staged attack would work even better, because then government has the pretext to force us all into camps and shoot us all up with vaccines that will kill us in 10 years tops. You don’t like it? Well you can try to take out a M1A2 main battle tank with your AR-15 and let me know how that works out for ya’. We know the military will just mindlessly follow orders as they have done for the last 10 years, so get good with God. Remember, its better to die suddenly fighting back then to slowly starve as the Jews did in WW2.

        • Jibbs

          Don’t forget, those who help spread the left’s agenda are the first to go, due to the fact they KNOW too much.

      • Sam I am

        Good. Suspend your elections. Declare martial law. Lets at least be honest and do away with all illusions and facades.

      • Walt

        Just to clarify…the Gov. you refer to is Gov. Perdue of North Carolina, who suggested suspending the Congressional elections, (foolish as that comment is by itself) NOT that Obama should suspend the election for President. Let’s keep the facts accurate.

        • Joyce from Loris

          Yes, and please do not forget the comments by Jesse Jackson, Jr., of Illinois! And he NEVER claimed he was joking, he is NOT. He is dead serious.

      • eddie47d

        Sharon; That was Limbaugh who spread that false flag about a Democrat wanting to suspend the 2012 Congressional election. Gov Bev Perdue of SC was joking at a Rotary Club dinner and quipped that “until our Congressional members can get something done in Washington they don’t have time to get themselves re-elected”. This governor was joking about the 24/7 political cycle and how little work gets done because of all the politicking in between. No elections will be cancelled.

        • eddie47d

          Walt is correct- NC

        • Vagabond

          eddie Gov Perdue is Gov. of my state N.C. and she wasn’t joking till she saw what a firestorm she had started. she wont be our Gov. after the next election.

          • professor

            Vagabond, good for the voters of N.C. I hope they do throw out a politician that would suggest an election should be suspended.

            Actually, I believe that the suspension was purposed to “test the waters,” and see what kind of reaction there would be from Americans. It did create a firsstorm, and the suggestion was quickly withdrawn, and referred to as “a joke.”
            The fact that it was suggested, even “jokingly,” means that the idea has been tossed around by the obamalites.

          • Old Henry

            Absolutely professor! The murder of the American by the drone on 9/30 was also a test to see how much uproar there would be.

            Not much of a firestorm? That is the green light for Little Barry to “expand” his operations. What difference does it make WHERE the American is located when murdered? “Stanland”, Tx, AL, MT? All the same.

          • eddie47d

            Could be like Cain’s comment about electrifying the border fence and killing a few. He back tracked and said he was joking. “Can’t the American people take a joke”,he said.

        • DaveH

          Does this sound like a joke to anybody besides Eddie?
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-govx9CdOA&feature=related

          • JeffH

            As usual, the joke is on eddie…believing that Purdue meant anything but…this from the same person that thinks “opinions can also be facts”…Polly want a cracker? baaarrraaakkk!

          • eddie47d

            Purdue was only telling her states Representatives to get off their lazy butts and do something. That is something we should be telling all of our Representatives. I’ve heard the same thing said on this site so you should be agreeing with her assessment and yes it was a poor joke. Get a life Jeff! If I buy you a box of Preparation H will you get off my azz because your Hemorrhoids are showing. Yuck!

          • JeffH

            eddie once again has to get nasty…such a hypocrit!

          • eddie47d

            So the truth does hurt Jeff. He must have woke up on the same side of the bed as Dave today..

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Speaking of hemmorhoids eddie, Ill bet that if Preparation H was rubbed all over you, you indeed would disappear.

        • Marty S.

          That is damn little to joke bout there Ed wouldn’t you agree. What if a conservative Governor had said that huh?

    • Levi

      “Between playing the role of venture capitalist with your money and instructing fellow radical Eric Holder to double down on the Fast and Furious cover-up, he has been stoking the fires of revolution since the day he arrived at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue”

      Agreed; and at what point are such deeds considered treasonous?
      Levi

    • death to non believers

      hi ron, how about reading some world history starting at 1917. the nazi’s were left wing socialist, the communist were tyranical left wingers, mao, a left wing communist, and his friends made slaves of the entire population of china and executed millions who may have opposed communism, red china also helped the north koreans to kill Americans in the Korean war, pol pot of cambodia, was a wonderful communist who slughtered a few million of his own countries citizens, fidel and raul, our friends in cuba, executed many thousands of their people, who were thought to be against communism, i cant remember how many people were executed by the left wing communist regimes of hungary, chekosovalkia, east germany, hungary, yugoslavia, (all left wing communist countries). i do not have a number that vietnam executed or sent to reeducation camps, i appologise to any other left wing communist, socialist, slime i left off my list of left wing murderers. a left wing certainly exist, but you can bury your head in the sand and ignore them. the left wing has one agenda, world rule by them, and kill/execute all who oppose the left wing.

      • eddie47d

        Hitler and Mussolini were right wingers but thanks for the history update. Yes they were all evil beyond immagination but this conversation is about making America a better place not turning it into a commie utopia. The capitalist system screwed up big time and corrections need to be made.Do you see the problems or are you covering up those problems because you have financial gains at stake? If you see someone robbing a bank do you sound the alarm of the wrong doers. How about when Wall Street robs the American people do you sound the alarm or help them cover up their misdeeds?

        • DaveH

          Hitler was a Socialist. He was the leader of the National Socialist German Workers Party (NAZI for short):
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler

          • eddie47d

            Dave is still testing that erroneous tale to suit his extremism’s on the issue. Socialist in name only Dave. How many times do you have to be told.

          • DaveH

            And you, Eddie, are a human being in name only.

        • Joyce from Loris

          How has Wall Street robbed the American people?

          • Marty S.

            Exactly Joyce they only accepted what the government was so willing to bail them out with and what the government started with its rules for the mortgage bankers during the real estate bubble essentially forcing them to give loans to unworthy borrowers. Gee sounds like government meddling was the culprit here, not Wall Street.

        • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

          eddie47d
          You are correct.

          Nazi Party (NSDAP) In 1919 Anton Drexler, Gottfried Feder and Dietrich Eckart formed the German Worker’s Party (GPW) in Munich. The German Army was …

          http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERnazi.htm

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Hitler and Mussolini were socialist communists eddie, about as far from the right as you can get. The right is conservative, God fearing, family oriented, country first. I believe Hitler and Mussolini would fit right into the democratic party of today.

      • rich hutchins

        nazi were right-wing statist [not left - they used the term socialists but locked the socialists & communists up], mao, stalin, etc were left-wing statists. the problem is the statist part. left or right the state will kill you. The left vs. right part changes depending on country, year etc. so that isn’t the problem. it is the statist part. a real anarchist would be a leftist non-statists, a real libertarian a right-wing non-statists. but since there is no state, the anarchists and libertarian would get along, while a communist & a nazi/fascist will not. The communist will fight the fascist over who gets to control the people.

        • Song

          Excellent point rich..one that people would do well to remember

        • independant thinker

          In the end the only difference in Hitler’s Germany and Stalin’s Russia was Hitler permitted private ownership of property. The owners still had to do Hitler’s bidding so effectively they had NO control over their business.

    • Freemind

      So tell me Ron, how long have you had your head up your pollyanna-ass?
      You are part of the problem, now get your monkey self back in your cage. It is feeding time and you will be spoon fed the pablum of Liberal ignorance. In the mean time; shut up.

    • Don age 77

      Ron……You are either a left wing shill or another one of the usefull idiots. Any reasonably intelligent person can easily connect the dots.

      • eddie47d

        Explain to us how you are connecting the dots Don.Do you see the wrong doings in Washington but not the wrong doings on Wall Street or visa versa. Do you see the pipeline between Goldman Sacs or Enron and the political candidates in or out of office?

        • DaveH

          Who is at the head of the pipeline, Eddie? Could the pipeline exist without Big Government meddling in the Marketplace, and picking winners and losers?

          • Monte

            It is the collusion aspect of the Federalist/Hamiltonian ‘American’ system at work. It isn’t capitalism. It’s crony capitalism. It is the act of enriching certain groups at the expense of all the rest. And when their greed runs them to ground, they are given bail-outs at the cost of everyone else. It’s not a fair system. It wasn’t designed to be. That is the reason both the Federalist and Whig parties died. It was only by the use of irrelevant issues as covers that the parties could gain any support.

          • JeffH

            Gee DaveH, keep asking eddie the tough questions and you’ll be met with a verbal barrage of idiocy.

            You know he joined in with the OWS protesters in Colorado…the same OWS protesters that now have gained the support of the American Nazi Party and the Communist Party USA as well as the SEIU and the AFL/CIO…not surprising at all.

            The American Nazi Party likes what it sees.
            Today the American Nazi Party released a statement in support of Occupy Wall Street movement.

            The Communist Party USA also supports the Obama-endorsed Occupy Wall Street Protests.
            http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/10/figures-nazi-party-throws-support-behind-occupy-wall-street-movement/

          • eddie47d

            As I said a few times before you are one sick puppy Jeffy. There is no way that OWS would accept the endorsement of the Nazi party USA. They wouldn’t get anyone to attend these protests once the Nazi symbol went up. The whole movement would be dead in the water. Since the CPUSA only has a few hundred members I doubt if they would be noticed even if they did show up. You and the right wing are showing your desperation in spades today and very ugly about it. When 15 members of the Nazi Party held a rally in Denver about 13 years ago 5,000 counter demonstrators showed up to tell them to go to hell. The police had to escort those slime balls away for their own safety. Although I was working that day my daughter and son-in-law went down there and were eager to see the Nazi’s “disappear”. The same thing would happen if they showed up again so as per usual you are tooting the wrong horn against me and the OWS protesters. So if you want to take me on and lie about me you better have more credibility than your latest twisted trash.

          • JeffH

            eddie, and you know all of this how? Remember, no matter what you say, an opinion is just that an opinion…opinion is not fact!

          • DaveH

            More fabricated fact from Eddie — “Since the CPUSA only has a few hundred members”.
            The facts:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA

          • eddie47d

            Just what I said. Not many members at all and little influence.

        • daniel

          I wasn’t going to butt in eddie but in connecting the dots you just named off Obamas cabinet and czars. They come from Wall Street straight to the White House. Remember there were not going to lobbyists oat the White House? Wall Street contributed more to Obama than any other candidate. Was it a bribe or collussion or just good old participatory democracy? You figure it out. Obama is too narcisstic to not want to be re-elected. I do feel that he would do whatever it takes to retain his office.
          If you were to follow the tactics Obama uses you would be able to tell what he is going to do in the future. Right now he is just busy diverting attention of the public. J Jackson Jr. wasn’t joking about suspending elections and neither was the governor and when you have the President telling his advisors to see what can be done around Congress that should shout at you as to what is going on.

          • Marty S.

            If the Idiot in Chief were to pull such a stunt you would likely see our own military put an end to the insanity with a coup d’etat and the immediate resumption of intended election. Our military hopefully knows its responsibility in such a situation. Any military/constitutional experts out there have any insights?

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Gee eddie, I guess he gave you the business. What do you think about that?

    • Joe

      We have already have at least one Democrat governor calling for the suspension of the elections and two more prominent Democrats calling for a suspension of the entire Constitution. Please wake up and keep up with current events before declaring everything the right says as fiction.

      • eddie47d

        That’s not true about the Democrat governor and Republicans and Democrats alike have tried to change the Constitution. So are you spreading fiction or fact?

        • DaveH

          What an ignoramus, Eddie. Correcting people when you don’t know what you’re talking about:
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJKMzfkbsgU

          • eddie47d

            Stop twisting the truth Dave it was a poor joke and by no means an attempt to stop elections.I think it’s your credibility that is going to take a hit when you constantly misrepresent these videos.

          • DaveH

            Eddie, the words from the horse’s mouth are there for anybody to hear. Now everybody who listens can tell who the liar is — Eddie (the Troll).

          • eddie47d

            Go back to lying about what is said on videos Dave it is what you do best.

          • DaveH

            It’s time for your meds, Eddie.

          • eddie47d

            It’s time for Dave to check in to the loony-sylum.

        • DonnieB

          Changing the Constitution is one thing. Ignoring it is another and against the law but few seem to worry about that.

    • Vagabond

      ron how many poor people have ever offered you a job? and how would they pay you if you did work for them? it’s way past time for all of the IDIOTS to get off the KOOLAID and quit living in a dope filled fantasy land,

    • http://www.roman-empire-america-now.com/Roman-Empire-blog.html Douglas C. Smyth

      Your worst dream: a Communist takeover with Obama at the helm, is just a dream.

      Obama has nothing to do with these protests; they have happened because he’s been ineffective in protecting the American people from corporate abuses, from corporations exporting jobs, sitting on huge piles of cash and not hiring. They’re not hiring, not because of regulations–regulations have only been added to the financial industry try to tame out of control speculator banks–they’re not hiring because there is no demand for goods and services. That’s because Obama has been ineffective stimulating the economy: he tried to compromise with the Republicans, who refused any substantive compromise–including the jobs bill they just voted down.

      That’s why the stimulus was watered down and focused on Wall Street bailouts and GM and Chrysler, because a large enough stimulus got people like you foaming at the mouth. Which is why we’re stuck at 9.1% unemployment: notice, not 15 or 20%, which is what we could have had without any stimulus.

      The protestors are not people who are looking for handouts; they’re people who can’t find jobs, who can’t advance in their careers, who have no futures because corporations aren’t hiring–here–they’re hiring in places like China and Vietnam, instead. That’s because in those places there is demand for more goods and services: in China the government has massively stimulated the economy, and has been so successful at doing so that it has had to slow growth to prevent growing inflation. China has done what the US should have done.

      Maybe, with the protests demonstrating how many people are hurting, angry and ready for change, there will be a new political will to really do something effective about the American economy: like rebuild our crumbling infrastructure, green our technology (catching up to the Chinese and Germans), and again become a productive center of the world, instead of simply the black hole of most of the world’s foreign trade debt.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        It is Obama’s dream. Evidently, you have chosen ignorance over knowledge. Maybe you should move to China if you think they are that much smarter than those of us who desire a free market economy without interference from the Government. I do not need your protection or any one else. I have fire arms, ammunition, the ability to negotiate contracts, 6 month supply of food and distilled water, and my fellow patriots who will join me in defending the Constitution of the United States of America. Have you packed your bags yet?

    • Nadzieja Batki

      You seem to like being a part of the useful idiots. You just don’t like being called on it.

      • eddie47d

        What was untrue in Douglas’s comment Nadzieja? You offered nothing in your comment but slander.

        • DaveH

          He wasn’t responding to Douglas, dumdum.

        • JeffH

          Definition of HYPOCRITE

          1: a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion

          2: a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

        • Jibbs

          Identifying a Pathological Liar

          Pathological liars – or “mythomaniacs” – may be suffering from histrionic personality disorder or narcissistic personality disorder.

          The following comments basically reflect a pathological liar who has the characteristics of histrionic personality disorder.

          Some characteristics

          1. Exaggerates things that are ridiculous.
          2. One-upping. Whatever you do, this person can do it better. You will never top them in their own mind, because they have a concerted need to be better than everyone else. This also applies to being right. If you try to confront an individual like this, no matter how lovingly and well-intentioned you might be – this will probably not be effective. It’s threatening their fantasy of themselves, so they would rather argue with you and bring out the sharp knives than admit that there’s anything wrong with them.
          3. They “construct” a reality around themselves. They don’t value the truth, especially if they don’t see it as hurting anyone. If you call them on a lie and they are backed into a corner, they will act very defensively and say ugly things (most likely but depends on personality), but they may eventually start to act like, “Well, what’s the difference? You’re making a big deal out of nothing!” (again, to refocus the conversation to your wrongdoing instead of theirs).
          4. Because these people don’t value honesty, a lot of times they will not value loyalty. So watch what you tell them. They will not only tell others, but they will embellish to make you look worse. Their loyalty is fleeting, and because they are insecure people, they will find solace in confiding to whomever is in their favor at the moment.
          5. They may be somewhat of a hypochondriac. This can come in especially useful when caught in a lie, for example, they can claim that they have been sick, or that there’s some mysteriously “illness” that has them all stressed out. It’s another excuse tool for their behavior.
          6. Obviously, they will contradict what they say. This will become very clear over time. They usually aren’t smart enough to keep track of so many lies (who would be?).

          Another WikiAnswers contributor adds:

          They lie about even the smallest things. For example, saying “I brushed my teeth today,” when they didn’t.
          They add exaggerations to every sentence.
          They change their story all the time.
          They act very defensively when you question their statements.
          They believe what they say is true, when everyone else knows it isn’t.

          An alternate ‘checklist’:
          Lies when it is very easy to tell the truth.
          Lies to get sympathy, to look better, to save their butt, etc.
          Fools people at first but once they get to know him, no one believes anything they ever say.
          May have a personality disorder.
          Extremely manipulative.
          Has been caught in lies repeatedly.
          Never fesses up to the lies.
          Is a legend in their own mind.

          More opinions and input from WikiAnswers contributors:

          I have found a few differences in pathological liar and a “slime ball” liar. Pathological liars cannot tell that they are lying; they actually believe the lie as soon as it comes out of their mouth. They lie about unimportant things that don’t really matter to anyone. This can be caused by mental defect but isn’t always. Slime-ball liars lie about things that make them look better or embellish to get attention. They also lie to keep their butts out of trouble and to get what they want.
          Here are things to ask yourself: How could this many things happen to one person? Would believe these stories if someone else told you? Think back to the beginning: you had red flags and alarms going off in you head. Learn to trust your instincts.
          It is very hard to tell when one is a pathological liar. Some people just are liars and lie to lie because they can and they don’t care about getting caught and aware that you know they have lied. These people care not about lying, it’s no big deal. It’s like “ok, so what? I lied”. The pathological liar on the other hand, IS aware that they are lying BUT will go to extremes to make you believe that they are truthful. They appear to believe their own lies BUT in truth, they know their lies are just that, lies. But because their efforts are constantly backing up their lies, it appears to us that they actually believe their lies, when we eventually do find out about them and then we tend to feel sorry for these people. Then they have an excuse, “I am sick, I don’t know why I lie, I believed what I was saying etc.” The only truth was the fact that they don’t know why they lie. Other than that it’s crap. It is true that most of them have an extremely low sense of self worth and are continuously trying to make themselves feel better about THEMSELVES and this is one reason they lie. It is about them but the lies are not always set up with the purpose to hurt some one else; it’s that these people feel so low about themselves they need to create ANYTHING different from the ugly reality they feel about themselves so they lie about even the most tiniest little thing. The people closest to them get sucked into these lies which sometimes start as something very trivial and then turn into something that can turn everyone involved worlds upside down and inside out.
          Unmasking the pathological liar is an easier task when the pathological liar is no more than a casual acquaintence to the “un-masker.” Close relationships provide camouflage for the pathological liar, and intimacy provides a heavily-fortressed breeding ground.
          Other indicators: 1) Rage attacks after they realize you’re questioning their lies. 2) Distraction techniques, e.g. hanging up the phone when you catch them in lie, playing word games, or even just running out of the room. After using the distraction technique, or rage attack, or sometimes both, they will pretend that nothing ever happened. They re-write history, so it never did happen in their minds. Normal people do it too, but these people take it to the extreme.
          From “Go Ask Alice”: Lies are unplanned and impulsive. Behavior is repeated over a long period of time. Lies don’t seem to exist for any external reason. Behavior may not always be a conscious act. Lies are admitted, changed, and/or adapted if a false story is challenged.
          From Andrea Broadbent “The Truth about Truman”: To begin, the definition of pathological actually means abnormal or grossly atypical. Therefore, a pathological liar prevaricates more frequently than the average person or tells more abnormal lies. In most cases, pathological liars tell lies that are “unplanned and impulsive” (Hausman). These lies are usually very emotional stories that tend to serve no purpose except to impress people (Ford 133). As of now, psychiatrists are unsure whether or not pathological liars are fully capable of realizing if and when they are lying, so detecting whether or not a person is a pathological liar is a very difficult task (Hausman). By looking at the list of conditions commonly connected with people considered to be pathological liars, psychiatrists are better able to determine whether or not a person might actually have the disorder. Some main qualities linked with pathological liars include dysfunctional family origin, family lying patterns, anomalies of sexual life, frequent substance abuse, and a great capacity for language.
          From Raymond Lloyd Richmond, Ph.D. “Psychological Honesty”: Even a pathological liar carries deep in his heart a desire for goodness and honesty and yet, because of painful emotional wounds, believes that the world never has, and never will, recognize his pain. And so, to hide that pain from himself, he uses all the lies he can concoct to hurl at the world as he runs in fear from his own goodness.

          For me, the first indication has been that I hear them tell different things to different people and they can’t all be right, because they directly contradict each other! And I am able to prove it. If you can prove over and over again that things someone is telling you are outright false, then you have a pathological liar on your hands.

          With the Internet, it is now easier than ever to “fact-check” even the most mundane things. I think pathological liars often lose track of the lies they tell different people and it will eventually catch up with them.

      • eddie47d

        Yes she was Davy and crew! You guys get weirder by the day!!!

    • oldtimeyman

      Don’t be so naive. Bill Clinton openly wished to eliminate the 22nd Amendment so he could run for a third term. Today, Gov. Perdue has openly called for a suspension of elections. Only fools believe Ovomit is “above” such a radical grab for power. The only thing in America more dangerous than Ovomit are the mini-vomits who voted him into power.

    • http://none ronald easley

      Ron:Ron: Wake up and smell the coffee.Obama has surrounded himself with radicals(like Van Jones,an avowed communist).Everything he does pushes socialism.Ronald Easley.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Van Jones. Bill Ayers. Rev. Wright. Tony Rezko. And thats just a start of his best friends list. How did someone like this get elected? How can we, as a country, not check someone out before giving them power? It truly amazes me how this guy was left unchecked by our national press, and not checked into by those who voted for him. We need to do better people.

    • Doc

      ron, with that kind of argument there is a job waiting for you at occupy.com. Yeah, the “so-called left” need you for disinformation efforts and general idiocy. What do you think will happen between now and November 2012 with the current tides of discontent and hate being fomented by Comrade Obama? Do you even thing farther ahead then your next meal? Next time at least try to make up an argument with something concrete to base it on.

    • MRstrings

      Ron, I believe you must be as uneducated as the next guy. Either you know how history tells a story of the future and we work together to prevent a repeat or you do as your master says and re-elect him. He wants to be the slave master after his own kind. That is where he sees himself. Either learn history or be dammed to repeat it.

    • Old Henry

      What better place to post this than under little ron.

      Here is a link to a WND article on Dr. Ronald J. Pllland, PhD who spent 2 months reverse-enineering the fraudlent B/C released in April.

      He was able to determine how each anomoly was created and then re-create it on his forgery.

      There are so many anomolies on the original that were done on purpose one can only conclude it was done to stick their finger in the eye of the American people.

      http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=356005

    • annie

      so far Jesse Jackson Jr. and Bev Perdue from North Carolina have both suggested Obama suspend the elections. Look it up yourself.

    • Dr. smith

      amazing coincidence or? Ron’s always the first, and is always critical, from a leftist point of view. hmmmm, I know the radical-in-chief uses tax money to enable citizens to rat out critical of the anointed one.

      Do you think ROn is an informer, a traitor, a quizling of the lowest order in which the commie left of the Obumer admn. pays him to sit in his unwashed undies, pursing conservative commentary and then offing his leftist perspective?

      Naaaaaa… Who would pay for such simpleton commentary baseless in any facts. Come to think of it, Obama loves to piss money away…..

    • Insurgent

      So Ron, is mental retardation genetic in your family?

    • John Wilch (‘Nam Vet – ’68-69)

      Ron, Ron, have listened to some of those chants that those 99%er are chanting, there straight out of the 60′s they’ve only changed the words to make them seem modern. “Hell no, we won’t go! or better yet: “Make love not war!”

      Ron, who do you think provides the jobs; it ain’t the Government it’s those that have worked their butts off and are now enjoying the fruits of their labors. So, Ron, why don’t you get off your butt and go to work and just maybe you will learn something. But, I doubt you’ll do it because you love to get your handout from the Government.

  • s c

    The useful idiots in Sacramento aren’t the only ones who can’t get a handle on why they’re there. It could be that the organizers of this experiment in mental self-abuse didn’t read the manual or understand what’s in the damned thing.
    I can almost appreciate the efforts of demonstrators back in the late ’60s. Although the media sold itself on an almost daily basis on the six o’clock news, the twisted spirit of those ‘journalists’ lives on in the incompetence sock puppet icons who are trying to put a worthy image on the herds on display on TV sets now.
    This time around, instead of drum-beating post-adolescents, we’re being treated to paid stooges who have no idea who FDR was. They have no idea of how an economy works. Their knowledge of economics is on a par with that of the #1 W H poser (zero).
    Mr. Obama has out-FDRrd FDR when it comes to being surrounded by mental defectives. In particular, The O has an AG who goes out of his way to identify with convicted felons. Washington is infested with czars who slavishly compete for The One’s praise.
    This time, the circus has more of a global appeal. That may be its weakest link. The Appointed One is now known as The Desperate One.
    That is as it should be, as FDR and LBJ aren’t around to ‘help.’ Of course, Jimmy Carter is still with us, but he’s not exactly an asset (a horse’s asset?).
    Bring on the next act, Desperate One. Lord Acton’s words still ring true, folks. Power corrupts. And absolute power corrupts absolutely. Some people never learn that lesson. Some are willing to bet their administration and their reputation on it.

    • Ronbo

      That’s not what you said about the KOCH’s fake teaparty. They brought guns and spit on members of Congress. We don’t see that here.

      • combat seabee

        Let,s see the proof of your words, as there has been NO proof offered even when a monetary payout for said proof was offered! Conclusion, a resonding didn’t happen you liberal shill!
        And the gun to a tea party rally, yes that did happen in Arizona, Hmmm, a black man carrying an M-16 totally in the open, slung over his back and allowed under that states law and our 2nd Amendment!!
        Guess I just blew your argument if “Disinformation” out of the water fool!!

        • JIM

          WELL COMBAT SEABEE, DID YOU HERE THAT KOCH BROTHERS WERE AND STILL DOING BUSINESS WITH IRAN? GUESS FOX NEWS MISSED THAT.

          • JeffH

            JIM, of course you have some sort of link or proof that Koch Industries and their subsidiaries are still doing business with Iran?

            Try this on for size…Koch Industries did the right thing in 2007 and voluntarily ended all of its subsidiary’s business in Iran. While many other American companies have done business with Iran through subsidiaries, including Halliburton and GE, and, as a recent Washington Post article has pointed out, a few were still doing so after Koch ended its ties to Iran.

      • Jibbs

        Are you really that stupid, that you don’t know who started the tea party?

        • Joe

          You really need to stop listening to Nancy Pelosi and the George Soros funded media outlets. They are screwing your head up big time.

          • Jibbs

            You missed the point.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Prove what you say, otherwise you are just making up lies.

        • eddie47d

          The Koch Brothers did indeed finance the Tea Party with several millions. So step up to the plate Nadzieja.

          • DaveH

            Eddie, you ignoramus, Ronbo said “They brought guns and spit on members of Congress”.

          • JeffH

            eddie, which Tea Party did they finance? Do you even know? NO!
            They have not financed any of the grassroots Tea Party movement…in other words “prove it”!

          • eddie47d

            For anyone out there that wants to know if the Koch’s bankrolled the Tea Party movement just google “Koch and Tea Party” and several sites will come up to prove it. No need for Jeff to be arrogant and nasty about it.

          • Karolyn

            Koch Bros. funding politics
            tea-party-funding-koch-brothers-emerge-from-anonymity

          • Karolyn
          • JeffH

            …funding Tea Party groups, Americans for Prosperity, FreedomWorks, and Citizens for a Sound Economy ($12 million).

            Hmmm, Tea Party groups? Not my grassroots Tea Party group or any other grassroots Tea Party group…maybe the Tea Party Express? Tea Party Patriots? National Tea Party Federation? The Nationwide Tea Party Coalition? Which ones? Just curious.

          • DaveH

            So what if they did fund the Tea Party, Karolyn? Explain to me how they benefit from that?

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Who cares who started it. Someone needs to pump billions more into it so that America, can become America again. That is what is important.

      • JeffH

        Ronbo, you are simply a LIAR!

    • JayP

      Nice points Robert but if you think “the other extreme is the view that the protests are the start of a worldwide left-wing revolution promoted by communists, union Mafiosos and a variety of down-with-the-rich misfits” is not accurate then you are being naive. There is definitely a worldwide revolution promoted by communists and union Mafiosos taking place and it should be taken seriously.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Very seriously!

  • Constitutional Patriot

    I have no envy of those with “more” than I. However, I do take umbrage at the fact that those with “more” seem to believe that it is OK with me for them to play fast and loose with MY money, and that of MY neighbors and friends, all in a frenzied attempt to make as much money as possible, using any means, legal or illegal, moral or immoral, for THEMSELVES. And the, failing in that frenzy, continue to insist that they “deserve” massive bonuses while having ruined many hundreds of thousands of hard-working, honest, “regular” folks such as myself.
    So, I totally support all of the OWS protesters, and any other similar group protesing these money-mad thieves and charlatans.
    I am one of the 99%……..

    • Pat

      Then, basically, even though you say you do not envy others, you actually do. I don’t want what does not belong to me. I think most folks that come by things in a less than law abiding manner usually pay the price for the law breaking. These folks are a bunch of useful idiots being used by the Communist Party USA who, is you check, you will find started this. I don’t know how deep in the Marxist in the white house is, but the bread crumb trail leads to Soros funding some of the this, and every far left luny socialist group being supportive of this. If the protest were genuinely a grass roots protest where they actually had some sort of real ax to grind, they might get traction, but really all they want to to demonize anyone who is successful and many are talking about real violence, so if you support them, then, you also support all the things they do and plan to do! Thanks but no thanks.

      • Ronbo

        Pat, Wanting fairness and for everyone to follow the law is not Envy. You need to think before you attack. You have a lot of egg (I hope that’s what it is) on your face.

        Stop orally satisfying the rich and you get a better view.

        • Dagney

          Another poster living under a rock or, in possession of the intelligence of one. FAIRNESS DOES NOT EXIST!!!!!! There is no such thing as “economic fairness”. Nor, can it be engineered by anyone.
          The rule of law applies to ALL, not just the envious. What’s been happening in our government, with respect to trying to engineer “fairness” has NOTHING to do with either fairness or the law. It has to do with BUYING the VOTES of the clueless. So, please try to use a little critical thinking.

          • DanB

            Let me understand this, fair has nothing to do with envy?

            Fair = everyone paid the same. Equal results.

            Did I get that right?

            Here’s some loose word math:

            Reality = some work smarter and achieve more. Others work hard to achieve more. Some lie, cheat, and steal to have more. Either way, someone has that which we don’t.

            Fair = everyone paid the same. Equal results.

            Envy = someone has that which we don’t have and we want it.

            To balance Reality and Fair: Fair = Reality – Envy.
            Which would be the same mathematically as: Fair + Envy = Reality.

            No matter which why I slice this, the difference between what appears to be the definition of Fair according to many must be balanced by some factor I call Envy to span the difference to Reality.

            Here’s a word problem for you:

            It takes company A three people to do one job. They hire a fourth person that can do the same job as all three prior individuals. Should company A pay the fourth person the difference in performance or the same individual rate as the first three people?

            If you believe in the above formula of fairness, I can still guarantee your answer would vary according to which side of the equation you lived on. If you were among the first three, you would insist that it is unfair that the fourth be paid the difference. If you were the fourth individual who outperformed the others, you would insist on some portion of the difference in your pay. Your definition of fairness would not matter when it came to your own pay. If you were one of the people on Wall Street instead of among the rest of us, you would have a completely different view of the moneys they are paid for their jobs.

            Now if government stopped interfering in Wall Street, stopped bailing them out, then you would see them truly earn their money, go to jail, or go home jobless and penniless. A free market would correct their errors. Yes, millions would still lose their pensions and so forth, but the system would have corrected. But when government got involved to save us, the common man, it created a system that rewards the unwise investor and punishes the wise. And now we want government to punish all the investors and none of the politicians? I would rather the politicians go to jail first and let the corrupt Wall Street businesses start failing. You would see many of the surviving businesses start doing right by the American people when they realize that government isn’t going to protect them from being stupid anymore…. It really is in their self-interest. If Americans really believed in free markets, we would take our money to where it made money and those that did not do wise with our money would quickly be homeless. But we have learned to have government do that which we should do for ourselves, including protecting our investments and our future.

        • DaveH

          Who is not following the law, Ronbo? Please describe how they are breaking the law?

      • Gayle

        I get it Pat, and I agree with you. Every person has the responsibility to take care of themselves. This spread it around and all share hooey does not determine a person’s worth. It makes ows what it is today. Once they realize whose pulling their strings maybe they’ll go home. I think they should be arrested and made to clean their own mess as punishment. It would save the city and taxpayers some money.

        • eddie47d

          There are those inside Wall Street that should be arrested and forced to clean up their messes too Gayle. It costs many millions to prosecute those big boys on Wall Street and most of those who scam us do so under the radar. Thus avoiding any punishment.

          • DaveH

            Who is doing what under the radar, Eddie? How do you know they’re doing it if it’s under the radar?

          • eddie47d

            Why do you think it took so long to catch on to Enron or Keating or Lehman Bros.or Madoff or AIG or the whole lot of them. They were under the radar too so can you imagine how many more didn’t get caught. Wake up Dave and smell the criminal activities.

          • Karolyn

            I don’t think they were all under the radar, eddie, but they were just conveniently overlooked.

          • DaveH

            All of those people were in bed with the Politicians, Eddie. So tell me, how is your Bigger Government going to cure that?

          • eddie47d

            Why isn’t the private industries curing their own so government doesn’t have to interfere.

    • Andrew

      You’re one of the 5% of lazy mooches who will try to lump hard working successful people in with the few criminals. You sir are the problem, try to increase your skill sets then you can make more money without stealing it from others who earned it.

      • Sam I am

        None of you above 3 really gets it. Pretty soon in this country, you won’t be able to find a job no matter how skilled you are unless you work in an underground black market economy. Our jobs are being offshored to China and India at a blistering pace thanks to free trade agreements. Think about this. The vast majority of the products you buy at major retail outlets like Walmart, Kohls, etc., are made in China. How much of that money you spend goes to hard working American workers? The truth is, we have to start spending money on American worker made products or job bleeding is just going to continue and continue and continue. Also, try getting a loan from the bank these days to start your own business, say a small farm business. If you suddenly say to yourself one day, “I want to work hard (70 hours a week for maybe $40,000 to $50,000 a year in take home profit after taxes, employee pay, etc., etc.), let me know how willing the big mega banks are with loaning you money. In this country, its getting to the point where you either 1. have to work hard and break the law (illegally owning a small family farm), become a criminal, or go to the unemployment office to receive your table scraps from uncle sam.

        • Andrew

          Democrat policies and unions have destroyed manufacturing in the USA

          • Joe

            Amen to that.

        • DaveH

          Sam,
          First of all, the phrase “Free Trade” as applied to Government Agreements is an oxymoron. Free Trade exists only in the absence of Government involvement.
          Our jobs are being lost to other countries simply because it is too expensive for them to operate in this country. The largest driver in that event is the Government which is draining our financial resources (40% of GDP). The regulatory burden is another big drain on our productivity. Also our workers demand too much. They can get away with that because Government subsidizes them when they don’t work, thus taking pressure off of them to get a job. Where does Government get the money to subsidize the non-workers? From the workers, of course. How do you expect a productive economy when a large portion of the workforce is not producing anything?
          Get Government out of the marketplace and our manufacturing would return.

          • Monte

            I don’t have any proof of this, other than what an acquaintance told me. He said he went to a job site to look for work. As he walked across the field, all he saw were Mexicans, a whole job site with nothing but Mexicans. He went to the job site trailer and found inside the only white on the whole job. After some chit-chat, he asked him what was the deal with all the Mexicans. He was informed that the company had determined that they could work Mexicans for less than any American would work for. But, he added, this is the clincher – the government turns around and gives them money in addition to it. The end result is the Mexican labor is earning more than any American could make doing the same work. If this is true, I can’t help but wonder why the government would work to displace their own citizens. And do it with the very money they receive from them in taxes. We pay to be unemployed and displaced. Mind boggling!

          • Sam I am

            Actually, with a trillion dollar plus annual deficit, money printing is what it is subsidizing the non-workers. We could confiscate 100% of everything earned in a year now, and not have enough. The ironic thing though is all this money printing is going to make things really rough on the poor due to inflation. Have you seen prices on candy bars lately? The price of sugar has gone through the roof. Oh well, one nice thing about hyperinflation is that Americans will finally lose all that weight. We will be nice skinny and starving soon enough.

        • Karolyn

          There is plenty still made in America, however, you have to look for it. Check out ABC News Made in America Series.
          http://abcnews.go.com/WN/MadeInAmerica/

    • Dagney

      Huh? The OWS protesters have been duped by OUR OWN GOVERNMENT. And, it looks like you have been, too. OUR Government has been stealing tax payer dollars, wasting it, enriching themselves, and using it to social engineer our lives. The OWS shouldn’t be anywhere but in Washington D.C. protesting because our “compassionate” leaders were the engineers of the financial meltdown starting with Jimmy Carter and the Community Reinvestment Act. Banks were FORCED by government to relax lending standards and that’s what started the whole ball rolling. Then, to fix it, the criminals who engineered the whole fiasco were appointed to “fix” it. What a complete joke. If you don’t get that by now, you must have been living under a rock.

      • DaveH

        Yep, the leaders are looking out for themselves and their political cronies. And they will lie, cheat, and steal to keep their Power.
        The citizens are just sheep to be sheared.
        We need to cut the size of Government dramatically if we want to get our Freedom and our Economy back.

    • Ellen

      Constitutional, Have you asked yourself why banks and Wall St. are targeted? Banks got TARP loans to help them out and they repaid those loans with heavy interest rates. It wasn’t a giveaway. Our eceonomic system was crumbling because of bad debt/investments in that debt. This was all caused by Congress mandating mortgages be given to people without any proof of income or ability to pay. Real estate agents sold the houses. They are the first problem, but no one is complaining about them. Mortgage brokers were also a problem because they were simply looking for their commission (like realtors). Banks only processed the mortgages and sold them to Fannie & Freddie – the system our government set up. Fannie & Freddie packaged these loans and sold them as government-backed securities to brokerage houses who packaged them and sold them to investors. Fannie & Freddie should not have been allowed to sell these risky mortgages as they did, but that’s what Congress set up. The blame lies with Congress – specifically Barney Frank and Chris Dodd – not with banks or Wall St. While it is true some people on Wall St. make a lot of money, they’ve worked hard to get there and they work hard to stay there. They have 2 hour commutes each way to work and work long days. Most Americans couldn’t fathom this. Put your anger where it is due, not where the government stooges and media have told you it is due. Also, if we’re mad, why are we not mad at actors who make movies too expensive to attend or athletes who live like thugs and make millions each year so we can’t afford to attend sporting events anymore? How about bands who charge $50 for a concert ticket? Most of the wealthy people who don’t deserve their wealth are in the sports or entertainment industries, not in banking.

      • Sam I am

        you bring up a good point about these OWS idiots not protesting movie actors wealth or foot ball player wealth or Michale Moore wealth. I think you are apologizing a little too much for Wall Street though. Alot of the top players pretty much do make money by gmaing the system and scamming us.

        • Al Sieber

          All Wall Street is,is a rigged casino game, rigged in their favor. they manipulate everything. you’re better off putting your money in a slot machine.

    • DavidH

      You, sir, are no Constitutional Patriot. You are just as un-American as those loser, slackers OWS morons.

      Better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.

    • John Wilch (‘Nam Vet – ’68-69)

      Fella, I don’t think you have done your homework because if you had you would realize that what you’re preaching is redistribution. In other words; taking what someone else has (earned) and giving it to someone that is too lazy to work (earn their way) so that they can be on an equal footing. Well, Fella, you’ll learn that what you don’t earn for yourself you don’t appreciate and will eventually destroy.

  • Sam I am

    The ironic thing is that this OWS movement is helping ensure that the rich get even richer and the poorer get even more destitute. The majority of them call for Obama to be President for Life, yet Obama is the most wall street-financed President ever. Nothing Obama has done has helped the poor except to make them even more dependent on government to provide. Its Obama’s administration that is shutting down new coal fired power plants, taking away electricity from those too poor to own generators or a bunch of solar panels. These idiots in the OWS movement are pushing forward their own destruction and cheering about it! If you really want change you can believe in in this country, the federal reserve, pretty much the primary reason for all of our economic suffering, HAS to be abolished. Failure has to be punished and the bailouts HAVE to end. People need to be given the opportunity to compete fairly with major corporations and be permitted to set up new businesses without having the books thrown at them.

    • Alex Frazier

      President for life? That’s a new one on me. Are they really “calling for that,” or is that psuedo-sarcasm on your part?

      This question is asked sincerely. If you know something like that that I have heard about, I’d like to know more, and I’d like to know where to find reference material to support it.

      • Dagney

        Alex: Trial balloons have been floated on suspending the elections in 2012. Here’s a link….

        http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/09/it-begins-lib-governor-calls-for-suspending-2012-elections/

        The Democrats know they are going to lose in a land-slide. So, they REALLY, REALLY would like to stop us from booting thier a**es out!

      • Sam I am

        No, this is an error on my part, although I am sure some may call for Obama to be President for life. The bottom line from my post, is the OWS movement is actually helping to make things worse for them. Obama has not done one damn thing for the poor.

        • death to non believers

          why shd o (or federal govt) take care of the poor ? he and the federal govt must stay out of its citizens lives. we are all individuals and are resposible for our actions. please dont give me the bs about handicaped and disabled persons, they are excluded from my statement. i am also talking about all the “occupy *****” people who had no problem taking student loans, but have a major problem paying those loans back. if the “occupy ****” people have a problem with the tuition they paid, the shd be protesting in dc against fannie and freddie mac, whose easy loans have caused tuitions to rise exponentially. universities shd be protested against thier high tuitions, when the universities have billions in their endowments, to brag about, making money for the universities, while doing nothing to keep tuition at a reasonable cost.

          • Sam I am

            I don’t accept the premise that its the government’s job to help the poor either. I am making the point for all the OWS people that even if you do accept that premise that its the government’s job to help the poor, then our government in reality has failed miserably at the task. The war on pverty has been waged for decades and there are more poor Americans now then practically since the First Great Depression (notive I said first, for this period is the Second Great Depression despite mainstream media assurances to the contrary).

    • Ret

      Thanks Sam, appreciate your opinion. No name calling, no verbal abuse, just your well thought out assessment of the situation we’re in.

  • spxz

    It’s curious to hear so many people doubting the involvement of the POTUS and Left Wing of the Democrat Party. Obama has said that he is “a student of Saul Alinsky”. Why don’t you folks who refuse to believe what is right in front of your eyes, go read Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals”? Too lazy? Can’t read? Here’s a link that will help the lazy ones:
    http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm
    Obama’s most frequent guest in the White House is Gyorgy Schwartz — oh.. George Soros. He prefers the Soros because too much of History knows Gyorgy Schwartz, the Nazi Collaberator, who helped sell out hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews. That is simple factual history. Oh, and while these mobs say ‘redistribute wealth’ has Soros not led the way, by redistributing his wealth?
    Folks, you are seeing a well planned Communist attempt to take over the USA. Why? Because if they take over the USA, there will be no-one to stop them taking the rest of the world. For the small minded, who cannot comprehend these things, here it is simply explained. It’s about money and power. Greed feeds the desire for more and more money. Power is the drug of the narcissistic sociopath. The more insane the sociopath, the greater the hunger for evermore power. World domination is the ultimate prize. Please, read and learn:
    http://thepaths.webs.com/sociovspsychopaths.htm
    After reading, make your own decision. I firmly believe when people have the facts, even though there is a huge effort to steer their thinking, they will, in fact reach the correct conclusion. That is what every man and woman who has died for the fast fading freedom we have enjoyed believed.

  • Tazio2013

    It will be amusing to watch Herman Cain (backed by the Koch brothers) self-destruct in a similar manner to the other tea-bagger favorites Parry and Bachmann. It looks to me like Mitt the Mormon will be the last man standing and it will matter not which “lesser of two evils” gets elected. No hope for meaningful change until January 20th 2017 at the very earliest. And for those few PLD readers who can handle an alternative POV on the rapidly changing kaleidoscope of reality, here is Roger Mason’s Late October 2011 Economic Rant:

    http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?llr=bsb4hfcab&v=001p_v0Yvtx7lzVdNubMnrrh6D7zRPl6RIwCnLfrPy5VxbFs85VjYjlydWcaxwCBoF2ZQuqxjwnk6Ds1kxSdAIorRy7tqTeLdC7B641HniBt9U%3D

    • Dagney

      If you’re looking for perfect, wait until you go to heaven, okay?

      • eddie47d

        Tazio brought up an important fact that it was Herbert Bush who was pushing for the NWO and Republicans don’t like to reminisce about that. If only politics could be far more honest in who did what.That goes for both sides.

    • Andrew

      The community organizer is such an incompetent failure that anyone could beat him.

    • Al Sieber

      Tazio, I read that yesterday, excellent.

  • Me

    All these well to do people complaining about class warfare and the demostrations. Kind of makes you wonder who really is behind this? I work construction and if I have to pull over 55 hour weeks, then I really get slammed by the government. Its always been like that. Why can’t we have higher tax brackets on higher amounts of money made? I mean seariously, do we really need 54 million a year Mr. Limbauh and how about you Mr Ramsey flying all over the country to sign a book? I leave my money with the company and don’t consider it income said D.R. Really, this all boils down to greed and I’ll get brushed off as class jealousy.
    You know what, I work to feed my family and stay off the government dollar. You have kids, can’t make your marriage work, going to college for your 3rd degree, and having someone else clean your house on my dollar…that’s class warfare.
    Come on you greedy lazy bastards…go out and volunteer for something.

    • eddie47d

      That is $400 million for Limbaugh but whats a few million here or there. We’ve been set up and had by the Elites and they have no problem spitting us out.

  • Joe

    Great piece Mr. Ringer you are right on ! All the GOP progressives are lining up behind Romney this tells you more about Romney than you might learn from the debates. With Romney or Perry you are getting another 4 years of George W. and he opened the door for the likes of Obama. Look past these 2 and harder at the remaining field and we might find the right person.

  • Robert Button

    Actually this bigotry against the rich began over a thousand years ago, when in Europe only Jews were allowed to handle Money. It was begun by the European Aristocracy, so they could steal the wealth of jewish bankers, and not have to pay them back, sound familiar.

  • Claudine Kappius

    What a perfect explanation of our situation here and now. I did not know Thomas Sowell began as a communist, but that is probably why he is so correct. Several years back he printed a column in the newspaper that sent chills up and down my back. It was as if he had read one of my papers about education as I saw it in the 70′s. Therefore, your comments here are absolutely wonderful and filled a lot of the blanks I had in my thoughts.

    We definitely are being lead down the primrose path by a man no more interested in a free America than the average goat. If we can just keep our thoughts compiled and put aside rhetoric, we will be better able to follow God’s leadership for your country.

  • TonyD

    I have read stupid articles before, but this strikes a new “high water mark” for sheer stupidity.
    Class warfare is nothing new. It has been practiced and perfected by the “monied” in this nation since its inception.
    The real fear is that the supposed “have nots” may unite and create a viable opposing force.
    As for Obama being the orchestrator, wake up.
    Natural laws of action and reaction will explain movements a lot better than trying to give credit to Obama simply in the name of fear mongering.

    • eddie47d

      Excellent insight Jeffery.

  • Monte

    If Romney wins the Republican ticket, I will not vote. I will not be a party to the forces destroying our country. Big Money is behind everything, even the Wall Street charade. That fact alone makes its motive suspicious. Obama is the man to protect us from Big Money. Yet Big Money placed his worthless carcass in the White House. Soros and Buffet are against Big Money. This suggests they are against themselves. I am very much disturbed by all the contradictions, because I suspect the reality of it is very, very sinister. Everything seems to operate on one basic principle: We, the people, are stupid. Since Big Money owns the entire media and education, we may be uninformed. But even a fool ought to be able to smell stench in the wind. For me, the smell is so strong I gag.

    • Ret

      where do you get the idea that obo is protecting us from big money? Can’t go there with you on that. He’s up to his eyeballs in big money.
      You need to look at Ron Paul. He’s the only one that may have a chance to get us out of this mess.

      • Monte

        As Mr. Ringer points out in the above article, the March on Wall Street is orchastrated by Obama. Who, do you think, these loones are calling on to bring it down? Haven’t you, of late, heard any of the accusations that Obama is trying to ignite a class war, us against the rich? He proves himself to be one of the worst liars in history.

    • Don age 77

      Monte my man…..How dumb can you be…..”If Romney wins the Republican ticket, I will not vote”. That’s right stay home and not vote. If you and a few thousand others take on this attitude Obama is sure to win. Do you really want four more years of his game? I may not like the Republican candidate but I will definitely go out and vote for him or her. I don’t like the path to Totalitarian, Socialism or even eventual Communism that this country is on today. So we go back to the Bush days…. At least we are not charging forward toward the abyss.

      • Monte

        Oh no? I beg to differ. He’s just another establishment, insider puppet. You really believe a liberal Republican will change anything for the better? It can only mean more of the same. The Republican Party is a farce. Ron Paul is the only man running with any real ideas, but the powers that be will probably assasinate him if he gets too close, just like the establishement has every other threat to its hegemony. It really makes no difference what sock puppet is put upon the throne. It’s all for show. Our direction is set and will not be altered until the establishment is taken out. That is the key and the problem.

        • http://fernhart.com Marianne

          To those of you who KNOW the background of envy and hate (I am a history teacher –80 yrs old) AND KNOW the record of RON PAUL and what what he is saying, I say VOTE FOR HIM! If you are afraid to do that, wait ’til Romney gets in. Then you will be REALLY SCARED! He is the GOP ESTABLISHMENT man and will bring us WAR, more big government, more regulation, less FREEDOM, etc. etc. etc.

      • DaveH

        Don,
        Any of the establishment Republicans are going to keep us headed in the same direction (the Wrong Direction). Only Ron Paul and Gary Johnson have the right idea.
        Monte is correct. It’s better to withhold your vote and not give them your approval than to vote for a Liberal Republican who will just continue to grow Government.
        I’m hoping that Ron Paul will run as Independent or Libertarian if he doesn’t get the Republican nomination.

      • Hugh G Rection

        Old man Don, Romney is not going to win the Rep. race, how does your pessimistic outlook in any way contribute to solving America’s problems? Take a big swig of cod liver oil and start thinking optimistically that Ron Paul pulls through what is inevitably going to be a dirty race and only a solid squeeky clean candidate that’s as tough as a boiled owl like Ron Paul will win , sadly the only other options are to start counting your beads or move outta Dodge.

  • Labs111

    This coming election will be a challenge. First we must be aware of the tactics the left employed in 2008 to push a strange named black looking man into the White House. ACORN, The NEW BLACK PANTHER PARTY, and the UNION THUGS flooded the polling places with massive bus loads of illegal voters and the liberal media started beating the drums about “letting everyone vote”. The Chicago slogan of: “Get out and vote, and vote often” was brought into the national elections by the Obama gang. Even though ACORN has been technically eliminated all of their members are still working under different names and being heavily funded by your tax dollars. Heavy fraud was implemented to even get Obama’s name on each State’s ballots, and elderly polling place volunteers were intimidated into letting unregistered people, without proper ID, cast a vote. If you don’t think these same tactics (and more) will be employed by the Socialist Liberals again you still don’t see the whole picture. The big question is, WHEN WILL THE REST OF AMERICA PROSECUTE THOSE WHO HAVE DONE THESE THINGS AND VIOLATED OUR LAWS?

  • combat seabee

    Well, he has openly encouraged it, as does pelosi, the latter actually worships it!!

  • CP

    George the second had a far better chance to block an election that Obama has, unless some idiot starts a shooting war right here in the good old U.S. of A. After 9/11, all it would have taken to suspend elections indefinitely would have been for someone to have set off a bomb somewhere inside the country, then blame it on the Muslims. We aren’t under anywhere near that kind of stress now, even with the OWS protesters doing what they do best, occupying several center cities.

    • theodorej

      CP …. This is a senario that is getting alot of exposure and i cannot get my head around the reason for this, other than inside influence from the left in hopes of making it a reality ….BHO is president he is not the furor with a private army and at some point and may God forbid that an event of this type occurs, I trust that those charged with the authority to keep the peace will stand up and arrest any disedents including members of congress as well as the resident of 1600 Pa. ave….

  • theodorej

    Robert …. A very scary senario indeed and with all due respect to the reformed communist interlect Thomas Sowell who now realizes that money is good and so is capitalism, he is not always right and he has obviously overlooked the middleclass backlash that is seething below the surface while intent on seeking change in an orderly fashion in keeping with the letter of the law…. When these folks lose hope watch out and the numbers speak for themselves and you should reflect on Gettysburg,Antedem,Shiloh and Richmond….. Any one weined on the communist system will always revert in the face of economic peril…once a commie always a commie..

    • Lueder

      Theodorej,

      Do you not believe in repentance? I’m glad you aren’t God!!

    • DaveH

      Theo,
      You know not of what you speak. Thomas Sowell has been a champion of Free Markets since I was a young man. He will not revert. Once somebody opens their eyes and understands the beauty of Free Markets, there is no going back.
      Embracing Communism is an act of shear ignorance, and once people have shed their ignorance they will never again embrace that system.

  • Tom Cook

    Ron is the typical idiot. obongo will not let go of the noose around America’s neck easily. He and his handlers will attempt something. Herman Cain is, I think the man to beat obongo. No one is perfect, but Herman Cain is not one of the typical insider politicians which all of the rest are. I believe Herman Cain is an American patriot who will surround himself with capable people and reset our course in the right direction.

    • DaveH

      Hardly. Herman Cain is an establishment Republican in Sheep’s clothing.

  • http://none John Johns

    I agree there will always be this envy, unless this movement or the next gains some definitive leadership. Having spanned seventy years watching one administration after another slowly drain our nation of self esteem I have wondered how long before there is an all out revolution. You pompous types seem so smug as to believe you are bullet proof. When and if this revolution transpires money will not buy immunity any longer. Rage against this exact type of tyranny started this country and may well finish it.

    • Monte

      The forces at work behind this are playing with a powder keg. It may very well blow up in their faces. I believe the god-like-One assuming dictatorial powers would light a fuse. There is a seething and growing rage in this country against the very forces tearing us asunder. Obama’s elevation to dictator would probably result in a civic war. In a best case scenario, the military would join the prople, and the god-like-One would be marched out and executed for treason. The shadowy figures behind the curtain, the forces behind the throne, would be free to continue to work their mischief. Unless, as Mr. Ringer has said, there was a repetition of the Frech Revolution. Recent history proves one thing beyond question: These people have no compassion or regard for human life. We live in the most evil and perilous times in the history of our nation.

  • http://a-albionic.com Lloyd Miller

    Tricky! Do we “blame” the LEFT-WING or the Establishment forces that use the LEFT to build bigger and bigger government for the use of Special Establishment interests? Well, they work together hand in glove.

    • theodorej

      LLoyd …. We are past blaming unless decent people make a stand NOW it will be all over except for the kicking and screaming….Every american has to reflect on what made us great …. In order to save this blessed nation the hearts and mind s of the people have to change…and there is only one who can bring that about ….If we go before as a nation and we change our ways he will bless us once again..

      • eddie47d

        We were founded and became great without Wall Street but as time passes they have become our lords and overseers.

        • JeffH

          …so says you, eddie, and the American Nazi Party, the Communist Party USA, the SEIU, the AFL/CIO and every other envious anti-capatalist SOB!

          Who makes the laws to regulate Wall Street? Who bailed out Wall Street?

          Hint – Big Government!

          • eddie47d

            Get off of your Nazi high horse Jeff. Your accusations will defeat you.Then again that may not be true considering how many times the right wingers lie on this site and defend each other.Will they believe you if you keep lying?

          • JeffH

            eddie, the truth hurts huh? FYI, it is YOU that is the proverbial liar around here…proven time and time again. Oh, and with zero credibility too! :) 20 – 0!

  • tsunami

    I received an e-mail last night stating that GE has shipped it’s x-ray division and head office to China. Just the latest in a long string of moves.

    As a non American living outside of the US and having a few investments in your country I can tell you for true that it is not so much the free trade but rather the bureaucracy and red tape and completely irrational permitting process that is shipping jobs offshore.

    We have been trying to get some things through this maze in order to create jobs down there for 7 years and just now got the permitting.

    State Gov. agreed, local major agreed, country agreed but Washington didn’t and threw everything they could to stop the project.

    Would have to think long and hard before attempting this again. Will go elsewhere much easier to get decent projects going and create jobs in China, Korea, Canada, India where they want us.

    • Karolyn

      I can’t find the reference, though I have searched; but I saw on ABC World News last week that 3 million jobs are RETURNING to the US due to higher Chinese wages and high transportation costs.

      • Jibbs

        Karolyn says:
        October 18, 2011 at 12:43 pm
        I can’t find the reference, though I have searched; but I saw on ABC World News last week that 3 million jobs are RETURNING to the US due to higher Chinese wages and high transportation costs.

        ———————————————————————-

        Didn’t you post this a week or two ago?

        • Jibbs

          This won’t happen til about 2015, and by then robots will do most of those jobs.

        • Karolyn

          Actually, I had heard reference to it some time ago, but it was in the news again, I believe, last week; and I did post it. The series they are doing on World News Tonight is awesome, and it is helping to change some things. For instance, college merchandise catalogs are being scrutinized more closely due to the lack of American made merchandise. They spotlighted houses being built with strictly made in America materials – at the same overall as Chinese, with better products. A while back they spotlighted all the Chinese souvenir stuff at the Smithsonian, which is making changes and featuring American-made.

    • OB1

      Most business owners keep telling me the same thing. The bureaucracy, red tape, regulations, and PAPER SHUFFLERS of government paid employees is killing this once great thriving country and economy! What one owner told me, is it took him over 6 years for a permit to remodel an EXISTING OLD ABANDONED warehouse into a local facility for his 30 year old bucks up business! He got 10 X more in China in 4 MONTHS! Plus was able to build a dormitory for students or ANY OTHER commuter to use! 4 months! State of the art facility! Here, smaller scale, 6 YEARS for permits! He wanted to do it ALL here! He couldn’t the LOCAL, COUNTY, STATE AND FEDERAL BUREAUCRACY WOULD NOT LET HIM! Look, even Gibson Guitar in Tennessee may have to move some of his manufacturing offshore! The Feds are suing him! He has to counter sue! He has to cut costs to counter sue the DOJ! His congressman can’t help him because of some on the record ethics violation rule because DOJ is suing the Gibson Guy! Here’s the article:

      http://news.yahoo.com/gibson-guitar-ceo-warns-jobs-may-sent-overseas-125846174.html

      And Holder has been subpenaed for perjury by congress and it isn’t even being reported in the news! In fact, the same day or two, Holder announces the “threat by Iran against the Saudi Ambassador” to draw attention away from him and Mr. O on Fast and Furious! And the libs say “we need all these regulations to keep us safe”…guess what??? Big surprise…they lie! If you want more of what these regulations are doing to local county and state organic farmers, homeowner’s with vegetable gardens, small dairy farms (gov raids!), just ask me! It will make you puke!!!! And, I’m not one bit sorry for my rant today, not one frick’n bit. That’s enough for now.

      • JeffH

        Hear Hear! :)

  • http://a-albionic.com Lloyd Miller

    Herman Cain is WORTHLESS as a candidate though admirable, perhaps, in his business career. 9-9-9 would be a horrible disaster. There is nothing worse for small business than a SALES TAx audit, NOTHING! To give the Feds that kind of power is assinine. Also, the 9% on business is NOT ON PROFIT, but on revenue without deducting LABOR! IDIOTIC! No incentive to hire. . . And 999=666 because Congress can raise any component. Further, 9% added sales tax would CRUSH those on fixed incomes to say nothing of playing havoc with already existing sales tax. MOST IMPORTANT a large sales tax drastically increases the incentive to cheat, promotes underground economy and invites even MORE DRACONIAN enforcement! FAIR tax is junk too cuz of the same reasons. JUST slash back government and existing rates. Best: Cut rates first and starve government into cuts!

    • DaveH

      First we would have to get rid of the Federal Reserve, Lloyd. As long as they exist the Government would just borrow the money and keep on trucking until our money was worthless.
      I like your statement on the 999 plan. It would indeed be a Trojan Horse. Herman Cain is not a Small Government Advocate, despite his lip service to that effect.

  • http://a-albionic.com Lloyd Miller

    9% added sales tax would also CRUSH the poor and stuggling. STUPID, STUPID, STUPID. . . .

    • theodorej

      The plan as stupid as it is ….. is out there … the other idiots do not even have a plan …. PHEW !!!! are we in trouble !

    • Raggs

      Lloyd you are a complete idiot… are you afraid that maybe now that you will have to pay into the system instead of being a freeloader?

      • Lueder

        Raggs,

        Do you know Lloyd? How do you know he is a free-loader?

        I have been a tax preparer for 5 years. I know what a free-loader is. They are the ones that get an $8000 “refund” without having put a dime into the system. They are the ones that will work at a job, working just the right amount of hours, crank out the 2.5 kids that qualify them for the maximum Earned Income Credit. These people have it down to a science and will quit their job to collect unemployment so that their hours don’t go above what they have figured out for the EIC but so that they still have a monthly check. Well, just a small Latin lesson for today: “re” means back and “fund” means money, therefore a refund is money that you are getting back from money that you put into/toward something. If box 1 on your W-2 has a big fat 0 in it then, guess what, you didn’t put anything in, therefore you are getting a “FREE-FUND” not a refund and that money that you get comes out of my pocket since I paid $11,000 in taxes last year. But that was just to the Federal Government and doesn’t include State and Local taxes. If we add it all up it would be more like $15,000 and I expect to pay more this year. And we are middle America.

        A free-loader is the one that bitches about the rich corporations making all the money as they sit on their butts, collecting their food stamps, Section 8 check to pay for their housing and their daycare is paid for by the taxpayer as well. What do they spend their money on booze, drugs and cigarettes. As I said in an earlier post, how many poor employers do you know? I, personally, don’t know of any.

        I worked for a lady cleaning houses many years ago. All I saw her do was give bids and drive around in her BMW. Yeah, it burned my shorts for a while but that is the free enterprise system. If I wanted to do what she did, I (not anyone else) needed to take the risk of starting my own business. I didn’t because I was too afraid of the risk and was more content with collecting a paycheck. That is my issue to work out. If I come up with an idea for a business and think I can make it fly, then I take the risk to succeed or fail. If I succeed, I should be rewarded for that. If I fail, I can’t go around whining and blaming others for my failure. And I am NOT entitled to a government hand out just because I couldn’t make a go of my own business.

  • db

    I agree BHO is attempting a take over of Washington DC, but there is one thing this moron has failed to take into account…the will of the American people. I’m not advocating violence, but I truly believe if he tries to take over DC and make himself a monarch of sorts; the American people will begin the next American Revolution. His “Occupy whatever” movement is going to back fire on him in ways he could never possibly imagine.

  • Donald

    As usual with Ringer Paranoia reigns supreme! The sky is falling, the sky is falling!

  • Pam R

    Please, please stop all this talk about the downfall of America. Reubs and dems are trying to socialize or worse America. We can’t let this happen. Everyone in this reading arena seem to have their minds right so get out from behind your computers. Go to the OWS in your nearest city and counter attack. Be responsible, be calm and hold up signs supporting Amerca. We must be strong.

    • eddie47d

      OWS does support America. They want Wall Streets unruly behavior reigned in so this country doesn’t have the debacle that occurred 4 years ago. They are fighting fire with fire.

      • JeffH

        This is just one voice of the OWS protests…sounds un-American to me, how about you eddie?

        “I think that the Zionist Jews who are running these big banks and our Federal Reserve, which is not run by the federal government, they need to be run out of this country.” – Patricia McAllister

        Or maybe the Occupy Wall Street protesters that are undergoing collectivist zombie training in Atlanta, where a large group was caught on film engaging in a weird sort of “one voice” hypnotic chanting ritual that characterizes the key principles of both Communism and Socialism.
        http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=8B371A69A44EC94AF36F00002647DBBC

        • Karolyn

          They have been using the chanting thing to get the word to everybody in attendance, since they do not want to use bullhorns.

          • OB1

            BS Karolyn! The chanter is using a bullhorn! He wouldn’t let a former civil rights leader in Atlanta even speak! Watch the video! Please, please try and deny this! It is filmed! If you never read 1984 by George Orwell, might be a good time. (By the way, the civil rights leader, Rep. John Lewis, who bashed the Tea Party as Racists, later forgave them for not letting him speak). Karolyn, if this is the kind of life you want to live, go for it. You used to say you were a truth seeker. Don’t expect me or mine to live under this evil.

            http://visiontoamerica.org/4691/occupy-atlanta-silences-civil-rights-hero/

      • DaveH

        Explain to us curious readers, Eddie, what it is that Wall Street is doing wrong? I know that blanket unsupported accusations are your shtick, but maybe you can change and actually say something specific.

      • JeffH

        Oh, and who could leave out mentioning George Soros in all of this…Wouldn’t it be ironic if Occupy Wall Street — the soi-disant “99%” — were being secretly funded by billionaire Davos Man George Soros, exemplar of the 1%? Well, no, it wouldn’t, actually. As Noreen Malone points out, lots of the 1% have, like Soros, expressed sympathy with OWS, including Bill Clinton, Ben Bernanke, and at least one member of the Buffett family. And when you’re sympathetic to a cause, and have lots of money, often you donate money to that cause.

        One name that keeps coming up is investor George Soros, who in September debuted in the top 10 list of wealthiest Americans. Conservative critics contend the movement is a Trojan horse for a secret Soros agenda.

        Soros and the protesters deny any connection. But Reuters did find indirect financial links between Soros and Adbusters, an anti-capitalist group in Canada which started the protests with an inventive marketing campaign aimed at sparking an Arab Spring type uprising against Wall Street. Moreover, Soros and the protesters share some ideological ground.

        Soros says he’s never even heard of Adbusters. Maybe so, but it’s a good bet that some of his money has…directly or indirectly through his Open Society Foundations.

        According to disclosure documents from 2007-2009, Soros’ Open Society gave grants of $3.5 million to the Tides Center, a San Francisco-based group that acts almost like a clearing house for other donors, directing their contributions to liberal non-profit groups. Among others the Tides Center has partnered with are the Ford Foundation and the Gates Foundation.

        Disclosure documents also show Tides, which declined comment, gave Adbusters grants of $185,000 from 2001-2010, including nearly $26,000 between 2007-2009.
        http://www.courierpostonline.com/article/20111017/OPINION01/310170004/Behind-scenes?odyssey=mod|mostcom

        VANCOUVER, Canada — Protests against corporate power in the United States began in the basement of an old house in Vancouver, at the world headquarters of Adbusters magazine.

        • eddie47d

          The whole nation knows what Wall Street has done and apparently the whole world. Hopefully they can’t run or hide this time.

  • olde reb

    Where is the constitutional authorization for the federal government to legislate a national sales tax? This would be a direct tax constitutionally restricted to apportionment, IMHO.

  • Mike

    Can’t find a “share” button! Need to help spread the word Bob. Good article and parallels a discussion I have been having with young “friends” on facebook. Help me help us both. Build in a share tool

    • OB1

      Facebook holds data information for life, even if you unsubscribe. Now FB tells us we have to updates our security settings constantly. I’d much rather post what I learn here with back-up data on other sites.
      At least that way we maintain some anonymity and sense of semi security in very insecure times. I don’t care if someone posts things on their FB site, but please don’t use our tags or names. Not all of us live in Red states (even those are catching it now!). The media has been compromised. It certainly is not the school of journalism that I learned or understood. (i.e., if we wanted to insert an opinion into a news article, we were only allowed to do that if we had earned a By Line: By John Smith, then article. Otherwise, we were required to report the story, the news, social events, weddings, births, deaths….Oh! All those incredible reporters and great stories! It all changed after LBJ. More to this story later.

  • Raggs

    Since all of the unions and the communist party USA are heavily involved in this so-called occupy movement it sure doesn’t leave any doubt that oblama, reid and queen nancy pelosi, van jones, george soros and all of the other power hungry thugs are in full support of this… Their MAIN goal is to destroy this country from within…

    • eddie47d

      Raggs is also radically naive in still thinking that the CPUSA has any relevancy in this country.

      • JeffH

        …try to educate yourself eddie…

        • OB1

          He won’t. He’s a paid troll. I keep telling you this.

          • Karolyn

            Geez! You guys are just too much! Anybody who has a differing opinion and doesn’t measure up to your standards is a paid troll! Why on earth do you bother responding to posts that you really feel are beneath you?

    • DaveH

      What I want to know is where are these young kids getting the money to hang around the business centers day after day?

  • RMW

    Robert Ringer, you are radically naive…

    • DaveH

      Can you be more specific?

  • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

    Wow, I actually agree with most of this article. The Wall St protestors should surely be at our house, The White House. The anger the protestors portray is valid but at the wrong folks. The protests should be focused on our Government(or us) bailing out the banks, carmakers and the entire world.
    Our repayment: The banks tightened credit and money to the very people who saved their pitiful behinds. Common Americans need to have unrealistic credit scores to borrow money. How can anyone who is not rich have perfect credit when the very rules for the sane are unattainable? If you don’t use your credit card, credit score slides, if you do use and go over 3/4 your limit credit score slides, if you don’t have a credit card at all, you are not credit worthy. Admit it America, the banks can squeeze your balls at any time with Government Assistance and that is real life. Your Government is corrupt and in bed with the banks with the final goal of destroying America.
    The banks,carmakers and the world rejoiced at our lawmakers deception and trick math. Indeed the terrorists who would kill all Amerians rejoiced. How much more proof can you get when a Pres of these United States can take down a CEO of a business at his leisure while denying the very principles our Country was founded upon. All those principles are dying an ignomious death under Hussy Obama.
    I personally didn’t care for the CEO of GM, but the liberties the Pres took from each and every American by that one astounding feat seem to still be unknown. Your very independence is doomed when Govt can intercede in private ventures or any venture at it’s own reasoning and discretion disregarding all notions of democracy as originally intended in our Indepedence.
    Hussy Obama will surely win reelection if Americans continue to ignore the truth that the very foundation of our Government is corrupt and the house is destined to fall if Americans don’t protest as to the true cause of all evils now coming upon us, the United States of America Government.
    I am an honorably discharged veteran from a long ago war who believes in America and all our dreams which I would surely still give my life to protect. Although a true blue American, I am realistic enough to know splintered talk will not relieve the hostile intentions of the current administration toward all Americans. I can’t remember the exact words but I have always admired the statement made by I believe, Benjamin Franklin, please correct by more knowedgable folks: “If we don’t hang together, or stand together, we shall all surely hang individually” Correct as needed

    • DaveH

      The bottom line is that we need to get Government out of the Marketplace. We need to give the power back to the consumers to pick winners and losers. There is only one Political Party that doesn’t advocate politicians as the determiners of who wins and who loses in the Marketplace.
      For Free Markets, Limited Government, Individual Freedom, Personal Responsibility, and the PEACE that comes with those, vote Libertarian:
      http://libertarianparty.org/issues

  • Bill Scantlen

    My biggest problem to endorse any candidate revolves around a total committment to the Second Amendment. No flip flops.

    And to Ron I might add you had best study the rise of Hitler in the 20s and 30s if you think what Ringer says is phony.

  • eddie47d

    Why does this author feel so good about hating others that don’t have as much as he does? Why does he treat them like 3rd class rats? Why is he the one pushing for class warfare? His smear machine is in full action mode today and he wonders why Americans detest folks like him. Why is he lying and spreading false rumors about the 2012 elections being cancelled. Not going to happen which makes the author a dangerous man.That is spreading an unrealistic fear and not welcome behavior. He did get something right about plundering for Wall Street has been doing just that for too many years to remember. Their schemes have caught up with them and the citizens want to make them accountable. So who’s side is the author on? Too much duck and cover on the many issues involving what goes on in Wall Street. Did he see the ponzi schemes unfolding and what did he do to prevent them from happening. Did he stop or slow down the derivative schemes? Did he take on the tax cheats on Wall Street? Were the Banksters a concern to him for that problem is still being swept under the rug. The mortgage plots weren’t just Freddie and Fannie but went to the highest offices on Wall Street. Yes sir those Venture Capitalist sure hoodwinked America but no one is supposed to be upset. We should all just roll over and take it in the shorts and accept it as the way things work. Sure there is not a coherent message coming from protesters because there are way too many serious problems that brought this nation down. You have to do more than kick Washington in the posterior for there is another elephant in the room and it is Wall Street. Their Emperors are also being exposed but at least they can afford a new suit.

    • DaveH

      Why are you fabricating facts and slandering Robert, Eddie?
      That’s a rhetorical question, Eddie, because I know the reason. You’re a Troll.

      • JeffH

        …and a proven liar!

      • OB1

        Thanks DaveH! I kept telling JeffH that! They are paid and now they are almost on every website that carries non MSM news or viewpoints, as well as many others. Get this! Sometimes, one poster goes under different names and GENDERS! Sick and desperate sh**&! This is starting to remind me of an old Star Trek about the “Consummate Mind of the the Borg” mentality, when they capture Picard! Look at this link of the earlier OWS ralley in Atlanta. Tell me this not the Borg!

        http://visiontoamerica.org/4691/occupy-atlanta-silences-civil-rights-hero/

        • JeffH

          OB1, while I fully agree with the troll label, I just can’t believe that eddie is even remotely smart enough to get paid for his ignorance. The man is just a glutton for puishment.

      • eddie47d

        Jeff wants to stay ignorant on the subject of Wall Street and will say anything to shut an opposing opinion down. What are you hiding Jeff? What are you so afraid of if the truth is exposed?

        • JeffH

          Wah, wah, wah!

        • DaveH

          You know nothing about Wall Street, Eddie. I’ve been asking you for specifics throughout the day, and all I get from you is drivel.
          Other than the fact that many of them are in bed with the Politicians, what is your beef?

          • eddie47d

            Yes Dave where is the beef? Not much serious thought coming from the right wing or private business.

  • Wild Bill

    This seems to be a good time to offer a solution…
    While the “minimum wage” law is an economic negative, a “maximum annualized total compensation ratio” law would be an over-all economic positive.
    Presently the ratio stands above 300:1, This is a source of understandable envy and discerned injustice at the mid and lower income ranges, since the manual labor required to produce goods is compensated in these ranges, while the higher paid are mostly political in nature.
    My suggestion is to mandate that any group doing business in the US compensate no person in total an amount that exceeds 50 times the least (annualized) compensation in that organization.
    This does not mean that the top compensation is limited, only that the bottom has to rise with the top. The middle would move as the organization sees fit.
    The positive result should include increased economic activity as the lower ends spend on goods, goods need to be produced to fill the needs, investments will see higher dividends, industry will have more to improve tech and process, and more.
    The only negative would be that the class envy would be less of a useful political tool.

    • eddie47d

      Hear! Hear!

    • DaveH

      Class enviers (like Eddie) will never be satisfied until everybody is equal, equally poor that is, like in Cuba, or North Korea.
      The fact is that people are not equal, and never will be. Everybody has different levels of motivation, education, principles, interests, and desires. No rules can determine how those should be compensated.
      The best, most principled thing we can do is to establish strict property rights (that includes the property of money), and enforce voluntary contracts and transactions among a Free People.
      Without Government regulatory hoops, anybody who wanted to work could work. Some people would be ambitious and accumulate great wealth. Some people would be lazy and do only what they needed to survive (more power to them). And many would be somewhere in the middle of those extremes.
      In Free Markets, people would do what they do best and be productive, instead of wasting so much time jumping through the hoops set up by those who give “Fairness” a lot of lip-service but no actual substance. That would result in the greatest amount of productivity possible which would lift the living standards of everybody, even those people like Eddie who would still be envious of others no matter how good they had it.
      The Class Enviers play right into the hands of the handful of citizens who make their livings by Lording over the rest of us (the Politicians). History has shown that the bigger Governments get, the poorer their countries get.
      Wake up, Ignorant Liberals, shed your fanciful blinders, and learn some reality:
      http://www.freetheworld.com/2011/reports/world/EFW2011_complete.pdf

      • eddie47d

        NO ENVY Dave H. Maybe you should try searching out the truth about your feathered friends in the corporate world. You like to grandstand on crony capitalism all the time but when the poop hits the fan you act like those on Wall Street are so innocent. You show your hypocricy every now and then master baiter!

        • JeffH

          When all else fails for eddie and he’s lost on words, he reverts to obscenities and foul thoughts of men…the horror of it all!

        • DaveH

          Another useless comment from Eddie.

          • eddie47d

            …and from Dave and Jeff! So much Hypocricy from you twins.

  • Mark Montgomery

    You laugh at the OWS movement but it just may bring Washington crashing down as we saw happen in Egypt and Tunisia and Syria, even Libya. The anger in the 99% runs very deep and you can’t just dismiss this movement. We’ve been robbed and starved and underemployed and lied to by Wall Street for so long that this will not fade away.We want revenge. Big changes are coming, just wait and see. Mark Montgomery NYC, NY

    • Monte

      I don’t believe those changes will be anything good. Obama brought change, too. It isn’t change, but what type of change. The French Revolution was change, but for the benfit of whom?

  • gerryb

    Obama is without a doubt the worst leader of any country in the so-called “free world”. His intention is to make the United States of America a has-been in the world community, and he has a good start with all of his apologizing. These airheads that are doing their idea of a protest don’t have a clue as to what the world needs or wants. Maybe their mamas and dpapas should have flogged their butts when they were kids instead of giving them everything they wanted. Hopefully the cold weather will send them scurrying back to their warm comfy pads at the folk’s house. This is a very good article that has been written on these deluded people.

    • http://google Marvin McCardle

      I was a 60′s child and change happened then as it will now with the protests of injustice.

    • eddie47d

      What cozy warm digs are you sleeping in tonight gerryb? How brave of you to make such an inane comment from the luxury of a cozy home. Our early Patriots also struggled with bone chilling winters and discomfort for their cause. This is not a one day Tea Party events where the participants all go home to their warm easy chairs.

      • DaveH

        Our early Patriots were rugged pioneers, Eddie, who made their own ways, unlike you.
        We’ve gone from a nation of rugged pioneers to a nation of whining wimps (like Eddie) in just a few hundred years.

      • JeffH

        “This is not a one day Tea Party events where the participants all go home to their warm easy chairs

        You’re right, many of these “usefull idiots” will go back to their “mommy’s basements”.

        • eddie47d

          You two fricks and fracks are just to funny to even answer your silliness. You are beyond help on this issue.

          • JeffH

            …and you are clearly one of the “useful idiots” being gamed.

  • Clint

    Well, after reading most of the posts up until now, I believe the majority of posters understand that the left/right paradigm is a sham. Dr. Ron Paul just released his Plan To Restore America yesterday. If given a choice, there is only one candidate that truly has a vision for limited government and individual liberty and responsibility. RONPAUL2012

    • DaveH

      I second that.

  • http://aol.com sean murrey ILLIniois

    The useful idiotswill be the first to go because they know too much.

    • Joe

      The left always throws their own under the bus as soon as they outlive their usefulness.

  • http://None Alfred Jeopagy

    This is so biased of course you have the right of your opinion. However just as the Civil Rights Movement, women and black people. gays and lesbians would not have accomplished anything. I am an Independent idealistic person. Therefore I will not sit here a condemn a call the people marching there as a mob or mafia, if that was so then there are too mobs here. The have everything mob that has been bailed out by the Govt and the other that is depending on the Govt for a hand out. All are extreme in view. We need a central and compromise where there is justice and fairness to all. So here go…

  • http://PLD anthony

    I totally disagree with class warfare…..these Americans simply want their middle class jobs back! Thats it so please don’t read anymore into occupy wall street, the govenment is not effective any longer due to entrenched corruption, yes Im so glad people are finally wakeing up! I say clear out the white house and start anew!!!

  • http://www.whatexitnj.com Joey Novick

    Are you the same Robert Ringer who wrote Looking Out for Number One? If so, with editorials like this one, you always step in Number Two.

  • Believer

    Very well said Mr. Ringer. Envy is what leads to greed. We have all been misled and lied too for such a long long time that most people don’t want to admit how they have been duped. There is a subversive group working behind the scenes, controlling the media and the minds of the people. Our schools have been infiltrated and young minds have been filled with lies and hate. Much of America has lost its moral compass and are willing to accept and promote these lies as long as it promotes their agenda. The lies are very cunning because they use human emotion and desire to persuade. Obama has promised “fundamental change”; that he did not lie about. The next few years will be very rough, but prayer is the only answer. All is possible through God. Prophecies say there will be a “Warning” very soon. Gods existence will be made known to everyone on earth.

    • Mark Are

      If America has lost it’s moral compass, it is because the “spiritual” leaders have lost theirs. Your post shows how backwards you think in relation to REALITY.

      • Believer

        Mark Are – you are right that many of our spiritual leaders have lost their moral compass. I am sorry that you feel that good, God fearing individuals are “backwards”. That, unfortunately, has become the norm. That is exactly why prayer is so important.

    • DaveH

      This has been going on for a very long time, Believer. It is the natural order of things for Leaders to feather their own nests at the expense of the citizens. We are only more aware of that reality these days, thanks partly to Fox Business Network (especially John Stossel and Judge Andrew Napolitano), and largely to the Internet where the masses are exposed much more to events than ever before.
      Unless the propagandists can do something to stifle the Internet, the future is going to be bleak for the Power Trippers and their Crony Capitalists.

      • Believer

        It is also much easier for the liars to spread their lies.

  • http://google Marvin McCardle

    This isn’t about envy, this is about the injustice of the rich and powerful trying to control America and the global economy. These people have a right to protest what is happening worldwide by Goldman-Sachs and the Rothchilds and many more. We need a revolution in this country to shake things up and let those greedy ones run for cover. Peoples lives have been ruined by the greedy banks and wall street moguls. Retyrn the power to the people and the middle class who have worked hard to only see their dreams be taken away from them.

    • Mark Are

      I WANT YOU AS GOVERNOR OF THE STATE I RESIDE IN!

    • DaveH

      What we need is to get Government out of the Marketplace. Let companies live or die based on whether or not they please the consumers. Government should only be involved to protect us from Force and Fraud. They could do that without trampling the Constitution which they swear to uphold. And they could do that with 1/3 the Government that we now have.

  • dixiesuzan

    Envy is not covetousness. Envy is worse. As the article indicates (quite correctly) envy is hatred of someone having something you do not have. It ultimately comes to hatred of the individual. The Union Of Soviet Socialist Republics used envy to control the populace. I recall reading about a rural village in Russia. All the peasants had simple wooden homes hand hewn and roofed by their own hand. The local Marxist public school (where the constitutional guarantee was maintained of separation of church and school) taught all the children envy as a fundamental in all its corricula. In the village was a man who grew up in the village and all his ancestors had lived in the village since time immemorial. This particular man was gifted with a tremendous ability to do wood working. He was a natural skilled cabinet maker. He also had artistic abilities which became visible in his woodcraft. He spent days in his spare time adding ginger bread and all sorts of improvements to his home. His own invented window shutters better made and better designed an artisticly wrought he added. He painted his home. It became a thing of beauty amidst course drab unpainted dwellings of the village. All the villagers banded together and one night brought torches, drug the man and his family from his home and burnt the place to the ground ensuring absolutely nothing survived, only ashes. That is envy. They did not want him to improve their homes. They did not improve their homes themselves. They did not wish to take his home from him. They simply destroyed his home so that he couldn’t have it.

    That is what the folks in the public parks are yearning for. Destroy that which they donot have. It is envy not covetousness.

    • Mark Are

      All I can say about your post is BULL CRAP! That is NOT what the folks in the park represent. Most of them JUST WANT TO HKEEP WHAT THEY EARN. TO keep what is rightfully theirs! TO not have it stolen with inflation and taxes for $500 toilet seats. IF anything, they represent the man with the gift in the story and those in government represent the ones with the torches. Boy are you mixed up.

    • Jon Gilbert

      Envy and greed being human traits can be found in all people whether rich or poor. There are greedy rich people that envy every thing that the middle class and poor people have because they want more and more. Also, there are greedy middle class people and poor people that envy everything that rich people have, etc. However, those that have been the most successful with their greed and envy have been the very rich.

  • DaveH

    Robert,
    I’m trying to like you, but Herman Cain? Please. Sure let’s elect a guy who used to work for the organization that has caused all our problems. Let’s elect a guy who doesn’t think we have enough “security” already. Let’s elect a guy who thinks the endless futile Drug Wars are a good thing.
    And you wonder how we got where we are? Sheesh.
    Does anybody wonder how Herman Cain has suddenly burst onto the scene in a major way? Of course it’s the establishment Republicans and the MSM who will promote anybody that they think will mitigate their political losses.
    It’s time for all good people to get their heads out. There is only one way to Freedom, and that is a dramatic reduction in Government. I know only two Republican candidates up to that task and one of them has been effectively silenced by the MSM (Gary Johnson).
    Don’t let the establishment Republicans (I’m beginning to think Robert Ringer is one of them) and the MSM choose your candidate!
    Ron Paul 2012. The only way.
    For anybody besides Robert who thinks Ron Paul is unelectable:
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/harris-poll-ron-paul-would-beat-obama-51-49.html

  • RCL

    It is interesting that this so called civil disobedience is being targeted at Wall Street and those greedy folks who run it. Most of the occupiers aren’t sure why they are there.
    What I don’t understand is Obama who received more money from the Wall Street fat cats for his election campaign in 2008 and repaid them with tax payers money for bailouts is now one of the mobs biggest cheerleadersagianst Wall Street.
    Why aren’t these geniuses down at the Capital protesting the where all the problems started? Washington bailed out Wall Street.
    Finally what will Obama do now that he is alinging himself with the civil disobediance crowd when these crowds become lawless rioters, looting and injuring innocent people?
    Many of these peaceful folks are advocating overthrowing our goverment.

    • Believer

      He will declare martial law, cancel the elections and the new Communist regime, lead by none other than Obama, will take control. “Fundamental Change”

      • Mark Are

        Well, then we will have a REAL REASON to use those 30 billions rounds of ammunition that have been purchased since he conned his way into office. As far as I’m concerned, MARTIAL LAW will be the reason I load up and go PSYCHOPATH hunting. Hey, we are ALL going to die anyhow, RIGHT? SO might just as wells see how many POS (that is pieces of $HIT) we can take out in the process! Stick that in your pipe and smoke it you stinking BA$TARDS!

    • Mark Are

      OUR GOVERNMENT IS the US Constitution. Those in office work for that government. I don’t see anyone advocating overthrowing the CONSTITUTION, but I do see a lot of signs in support of it. I see people advocating over thorwing the PSYCHOPATHS that have put themselves in power over us and claim to be the government. More power to the WE THE PEOPLE crowd and maybe when some of those in “power” find their heads on poles the rest will quit plundering the rest of us.

  • K M

    Dear Mr Ringer, it’s folks like you that Occupy Where Ever is all about. Corporate shills who distort, lie, spin, marginalize, and fantasize about pitiful theses like yours. Let me spell it out in black and white for you. The reason I will Occupy and area near me is because I believe corporations have hijacked our government and melded laws to eliminate free markets for their favor. Simple as that, I believe in capitalism and I want free markets – two things government should protect and cannot thanks to Big Lobby. The Big Banksters on Wall Street just happen to be in the limelight right now but we must include Big Fed, Big Pharma, Big Farm, Big Oil, Big Insurance, Big Whatever, these companies are ripping us off at astonishing rates and fashioning laws to eliminate competition so they can “lawfully” mandate their products and contracts upon us at any price they choose. YOUR Nanny state is thanks to corporations “thinking” for us through laws they sponsor. Get rid of the moronic notion that a corporation is a person and the ability for a corporation to buy their ideas into law and free markets have a chance, mom and pop have a chance. Until then, kiss free markets goodbye (they have been gone for decades) and open your arms to corporate driven fascism gilded as socialism by people like you. Good day sir.

    • Mark Are

      Too bad we can’t use BOLD in these posts. Because the one right above me should be in BOLD big letters so that Robert and most of the fools that don’t see the TRUTH being said here can read it without glasses. THANKS FOR HAVING A BRAIN and seeing the obvious crap that the PSYCHOPATHS in control of the CORPORATIONS and GOVERNMENT are doing. THAT IS WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT! THANKS for the great post.

  • russell

    Millionaires and billionaires are not the sole possessor of greed. We are all infected with greed.
    For over two thousand years men have been trying to solve the problem of poverty. Will it take another two thousand years for men to discover the real reason for poverty.
    The one thing that is left out of the debate on poverty is human nature. I see that human instincts and animal instincts are the same except that humans have their instincts somewhat under control.
    Self-preservation includes all of our instincts, greed is one of the important ones.
    Greed is a selfish desire for more than one needs or deserves. We all have a different opinion as to how much need and how much we deserve.
    Fire is a dangerous thing, but we have learned to control and use it to our benefit. Greed is a dangerous thing in a civilized society, but have we learned to keep it under control or to use it to our benefit?
    A country controlled by a dictator or king uses greed to control the country. The dictator or king uses money, taken from the  people, or privileges to buy allegiance.
    In a democracy there is two types of economy, socialism and capitalism.
    Socialism is based on greed. The promise of an equal share of the wealth produced whether they share in the equal production of that wealth. The population becomes complacent Why would anyone try to produce more when the rewards are the same? This generates laziness in the population. This results in a smaller pie. What do the promoters of socialism want. Certainly they haven’t learned from the past. Wherever it has been tried it has failed. Socialism requires a larger government and the larger the government the closer we get to tyranny.
    Capitalism on the other hand promotes greed. But unlike socialism, the competitive free enterprise system controls that greed. The latent effect of capitalism is that it provided more goods to more people. Socialism (welfare, subsidies and grants)removes the penalties that has keep the greed of capitalism in check. So why would any one wont to inject socialism into a good system? Socialism puts laziness into the system and reduces the size of the pie.

    • Mark Are

      Good post. I’d have to ad that a lot of poverty is caused by laziness too. People as a whole just want to get by with the least amount of effort to do so. And when you have a system that allows it, no PROMOTES IT, what can you expect? I remember seeing a food stamp recipient back in 1972 (I think it was food stamps back then, but maybe it was called something else) buy LOBSTER in the grocery store and STEAKS and then go out and get in her nice Cadillac and drive off. I bagged the groceries and thought to myself, gee, I must be doing something wrong! I was making $1.60 an HOUR plus tips carrying groceries out for people who drove Cadillacs and ate lobster and steak and paid for it with welfare. I hate the SYSTEM that promotes that crap.

    • Song

      well said russell!

      • eddie47d

        Thanks Russell for thinking about both sides of the equation.That was refreshing.

        • DaveH

          Did you actually read the whole comment, Eddie? He is saying the opposite of that which usually comes out of your mouth.

          • Jibbs

            DaveH
            Deep in your heart you know eddie didn’t read the whole post. If he had his responce would have been in defence of the government stealing our money to give to others.

          • eddie47d

            He took a more balanced approach on the issue something neither one of you know nothing about.

          • DaveH

            Eddie says “something neither one of you know nothing about”. Duh, Eddie, that’s a double negative. One negative is too much for your pea-sized brain.
            If neither one of us knows nothing about it, then that means both of us know something about it. Grow a brain, Eddie.

          • eddie47d

            Dave is incorrect again!

  • Mark Are

    So what I read out of this is that OWS is a communist plot to create a communist utopia in an already communist nation. Makes sense to me! Except that the glaring obvious “fact” from my opinion is that “they” may have thought they started it, but the “movement” is now full of folks that are just plain disgruntled at one thing. GOVERNMENT. Government bailouts, government butt kissing, and frankly government involvement in most everything in our loves. And read “government” to be the PSYCHOPATHS that are running it. Robert, thanks for “Restoring the American Dream” but this kind of writing is off the wall.
    Oh and BTW…Herman Caine is an ex chairman of the Fed, Kansas City branch so I am sure that we will be so much better off with his 9-9-9 plan. How about we fire all the turds and go back to states being sovereign and start a Federal government using that old outdated piece of paper called the Constitution that LIMITS the CRAP out of those nut cases being able to do 99% of what they do do. Which is DO DO.

  • Bradford

    Isn’t Herman Cain in the process of being “outed” as a Koch Bros. puppet? And doesn’t Herman Cain refuse to grant serious discussion to Mr. Ron Pauls’ “Audit the Fed” initiative? Are there ANY “good”(U.S.Constitution following) Repub-tard candidates? How do we start a protest movement to end the Dem&Rep / Money&Power DUOPOLY? Isn’t that duopoly our only actual, true enemy???…

  • Amy

    I guess the American Revolution was fueled by just a bunch of envious idiots too.

    I think American revolutionaries should have just stuck with the status quo….I mean, they shouldn’t have felt envious of the royals, right? They should have just shut their mouths and felt grateful for the protection and life style that the royals provided them.

    You make a lousy attempt at degrading the Wall Street protests. By your definition, America was founded by “envious” and “naive” men, who actually believed that they could make a country where every man was created equal.

    Social justice founded this country and will continue to shape and grow it. Thank God, and thank all the people who are brave enough to fight for it.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      You are a fool.

      • justfacts

        Hmmm. One of King George’s lackeys reincarnated into a toadie of the uber rich.

    • eddie47d

      You got it Amy and are connecting the dots.

    • DaveH

      Our founders, Amy, were not fighting for envy. They were fighting because George III was taking advantage of them with excessive taxation, and stifling their entrepreneurial activities to favor his Crony Capitalists (Mercantilism). They were fighting for Free Markets.

      • DaveH

        To learn more about the American Revolution:
        http://mises.org/daily/2541

      • Amy

        DaveH,

        The Wall Street Protesters are not, by and large, motivated by envy. That is my point! I strongly disagree with that interpretation of what is happening.

        As an EXTREME example to highlight what I’m saying, do you think slaves were envious of rich, white masters? I would say, sure they were. Did they have a right to be? Again, I would say, sure they did. Is that the only reason they, and people who supported them fought for freedom? No! Much more noble motives and values were at stake, such as human dignity and fairness.

        Same with this movement.

        • DaveH

          If you disagree with Slavery (I do), then why do you support a regime, Amy, which wants to take other peoples’ money (thus enslaving them)?

          • eddie47d

            Wall Street and crony capitalism is enslaving us to their way of doing business.

          • Amy

            I assume, when you say “regime”, you are talking about the Obama administration? And by “slavery”, you are talking about being taxed.

            The complexity of my thoughts about Obama, government, and taxes, can’t be conveyed in a forum such as this. I, along with most, are doing the best we can in a system, (American economic and governmental systems), that is broke. I truly believe that some of my money. (I am a small business owner), should go back into my community/country to help those that are less fortunate than me, or have run into hard times, (bad things do happen to good people). Do I think government does a good job in managing my money? No. Government needs major reform.

            However, I also strongly believe that corporations and Wall Street culture need governance and limits to their power and influence. My values are not shared by many CEO’s or Wall Street executives who are taking advantage of their employes, tax loopholes, other people’s money, etc., so they can have 5 homes, private jets, (stuff, stuff, and more stuff). At this point in our country’s growth, corporations,(executives), have gotten bloated and greedy. And, on top of that, government has gotten bloated and greedy. Society can’t thrive with that dynamic.

            I support change that tries to remedy corruption from the people who are most negatively affected by it, as long as it is effective. I watched the Tea Party from afar when it first started, and wondered where it would go. After some time, it became clear to me, that the Tea Party didn’t speak for me. I’m watching the Wall Street protests from afar and it will become clear to me if they speak for me or not. So far, the potential is there and I am hopeful.

          • DaveH

            Amy says “I truly believe that some of my money. (I am a small business owner), should go back into my community/country to help those that are less fortunate than me, or have run into hard times, (bad things do happen to good people)”.
            You believe that, Amy? Why not just DO IT instead? Who’s keeping you from donating your own money to anybody you want? When you donate your own money, that is charitable. When you donate other peoples’ money, that is Theft.
            And if you bothered to read the articles I linked to, you would have learned that the countries with the most Economic Freedom have the best economies. What better way to lift everybody’s boat, without Stealing from anybody?

          • DaveH

            Why do Liberals so often say they own their own businesses? Must be a lot of Liberal business owners. But then, we would be taking the word of a woman (or man) who once assumed my UserID in an effort to disparage me, wouldn’t we?

          • Amy

            DaveH,

            You have me mistaken. I am also a victim of the person who stole your identity. You have helped me piece together a series of strange email mix-ups that have plagued me for over a year now. I can assure you, I am not the person who stole your identity. I’m sorry that happened to you…I know the confusion it created for me on my end. It sounds like you got the worst of it.

            No wonder you are so hostile toward my posts. I hope that if I ever post again, we can engage in a more civil dispute.

    • Jibbs

      Your a product of public education.

  • Bradford

    Truly, the FEDERAL RESERVE is the organ for a 98+year old *PONZI*SCHEME*, which is stealing from us all!…

  • http://fernhart.com Marianne

    For readers that are AFRAID to vote for Ron Paul: If Romney gets elected you wil REALLY be SCARED! He is the GOP establishment man for sure …think war, more debt, bigger gove’t, etc. etc. etc.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      He is worse than that. I plan to vote for Newt, if he is still in it by the time the Missouri primary comes around. If not, I will vote for Paul or Cain.

    • http://bellsouth.net Oakley Mann

      Marianne, I’ll be far more terrified if Hussy Obama is reelected. One thing for sure, whoever is the Republican candidate, we need to make a whole hearted effort to support him.
      And I would think of voting Independent if there is a candidate who more reflects my views, but regardless I am ready to get on any bandwagon that will get Hussy out of office, period.

  • Freetobeme

    and why not even mention RON PAUL.. CAIN is another establishment Rhino

  • Capitalist at Birth

    To all of those that think they support these anarchists currently occupying space illegally: Have you ever read “Animal Farm” written by Eric Arthur Blair 91903-1950) under the pen name of George Orwell. I suggest you do. Lenin referred to the people in the streets as useful idiots. That is exactly what all of these people are. They should be ignored completely. I am preparing for war with these so called revolutionaries. They are dangerous and a detriment to my freedom and yours.

    • Amy

      You are paranoid.

      • DaveH

        And you, Amy, are an identity thief.

        • Amy

          DaveH, you realize insight isn’t your strength…right?

          I’ll you give you credit though. You are an awesome bully!

          • OB1

            Facts are his strength. History as well. As far as insight, there are many throughout the US that have just that, including many on this site. Some call it “gut” feelings. I personally call it “the rabbit trail” in following the obvious, as in tracking an animal; subtle hints…it’s always all there. Experience and wisdom teaches these things.

          • Jibbs

            I’ll give you credit, your an idiot. The useful idiots are are always the first to go.

          • DaveH

            Amy,
            Bob Livingston caught you impersonating my UserID. Would you like me to look it up and prove it to the readers?

          • DaveH

            And Amy, I’m a Bully?
            Which one of us wants to use the Force of Government to take other peoples’ money?
            Which one of us wants to use the Force of Government to compel others to pay for our personal healthcare choices?
            Which one of us wants to use the Force of Government to make other peoples’ energy choices?

        • Amy

          DaveH,

          You have me mistaken. I am also a victim of the person who stole your identity. You have helped me piece together a series of strange email mix-ups that have plagued me for over a year now. I can assure you, I am not the person who stole your identity. I’m sorry that happened to you…I know the confusion it created for me on my end. It sounds like you got the worst of it.

          No wonder you are so hostile toward my posts. I hope that if I ever post again, we can engage in a more civil dispute.

          • libertytrain

            sorry – your identity problems theory makes no sense.

          • bob wire

            Skunk Works rarely does, L.

            One things for certain, the 1st liar doesn’t have a chance!

            Believing and disbelieving are options.

  • theotherrhalf

    The current Keynesian economic system does not work, period.

    Doesn’t matter who is in office. Both Bush and Obama were/are beholden to Wall Street/ corporations because that is how their campaigns were financed.
    Blaming Obama for OWS is laughable. Dems are angry at Obama because he’s not standing up to teaparty bs. Obama is further to the right than Nixon. So to the people screaming that we are becoming communists, I just shake my head. We would like to be in the middle but the country has swung so far to the right, its ridiculous. Obama is freaking friends with Boehner, they are all on the same side. The public arguing party politics just keeps the sheeples minds off of the real issue that needs fixing. Namely, corporate personhood should be outlawed. Limits on campaign finance enforced, changing the economic system from Keynesian to Austrian is first and foremost. Obama didn’t change the country because he can’t. And neither can the next president. You need congress to accept they and the supreme court have contributed to corruptness in our govt.
    Marshall law was predicted to happen under pres Bush and republicans laughed. Now, Marshall law is mentioned and they freak out and blame Obama.
    You don’t want NO government, you want BETTER government. Honest government is what we all desire, but that takes honest people and there are very few out there today. The mindset of love your neighbor has shifted to everyman for himself. We need people like Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders.

    What is sad is we as a people complain about jobs going overseas. However, if you have investments,an IRA, a moneymarket, a savings account, whatever your broker/banker probably just dumped it all into the only country that is growing right now, China. Hows that for a catch 22.
    Ha, the world’s money is going to China, a communist country. Hows that for irony.

  • knower9

    To be a progressive is to be evil…root out evil.

    • eddie47d

      OWS doesn’t have alot of power but they are trying to root out evil in their endeavor.

      • JeffH

        …to root out the evil one must be able to identify the evil…OWS hasn’t even clearly identified why they’re protesting yet…

        • eddie47d

          Sure they have you just don’t want to listen.

  • Alex Frazier

    With all this take-over talk, I’m not too cowardly to say that if they suspend the presidential election, I’ll shoot the man myself. Caesar already marched a standing army of 20,000 troops onto American soil. If he also declares himself dictator for life, you can call me Brutus.

  • Mike Carey

    The truth is that civilization is based solidly upon a few principles. Private property is one of those. If the 99% want to take the property of the 1% super rich, how can they preserve the right to private property for themselves.

    From my vantage point, there is a war between creating a slave state and one with individual liberty. The Patriot Act is just one small example that the rights of individuals has been rapidly eroding in the last decade.

    Some are able to piece a corporate/bank history that for the last 150 years that individual liberties have been under assualt. The main focus that various monied schemes have been designed to rob the populous of their economic freedom. The existance and operation of the Federal Reserve is the most visible example in this country.

    I would weigh in here that for the average person with the development of government taxation on all forms of property (income, homes, auto, businesses), it is difficult to own anything. Inflation and taxes are wiping out everyone–it just takes time. Or to fight it, you have trusts, tax loop-holes, foriegn holdings which, for practical purposes, really are available primarily to the super-rich or corporate enties.

    The conflict is who is going to control the masses. To some the Wall Street 99% simply want to place themselves in the hands of particular set of masters against an evil set of masters.

    There is no question that wealth is in the hands of few people. But does anyone think that things would be radically different ten years after distributing the wealth to the masses. I have heard it said that if this was done, in ten years the money would again be in the hands of 3% of the population.

    A whole new monetary system has to be created. The Federal Reserve and all central banks world wide have to be eliminated.

    Envy may be a good political engine for an appearance of change. But destruction of private property rights is not going to bring freedom.

    Government trumpeting indivual rights and corporate cronyism has been played before. No new favorable results can be expected from this avenue, either.

    Now is the time to educate the 99% on economics, man’s hstoric struggle for freemon and to channel that energy toward responsibility.
    The 1% need to be denied tax preferential treatment and trusts longer than one generation of nineteen years. Tax reform and fiscal policy reform by the government are givens.

    • DaveH

      Ideally, every adult should be liable for the same amount of tax (a True Flat Tax). We don’t have to submit an income statement to buy a product. Why should we have to submit an income statement to pay our tax?
      Those, who through some unforeseen hardship couldn’t pay the tax, would fill out the paperwork to explain to Government why they couldn’t pay their Fair share. The rest of us would cut a check and be done with it.
      If everybody paid equally, you can bet they would vote for a lot less Government. It’s much easier to vote for Big Government when they’re spending somebody else’s money.

      • Jibbs

        I’ll buy that for a dollar.

  • 2WarAbnVet

    This “ObaMob” is the private army the Dear Ruler has always dreamed of. Of course the Dems and the “ObaMedia” have rushed to embrace these dope-smoking lice-ridden imbeciles.
    Unfortunately, those who gleefully call for class warfare are abysmally ignorant of history. Most of the leaders of the French Revolution ended up with their heads in baskets.

  • Jeffrey A. Williams

    FWIW, I don’t believe that this movement has anything directly to do with class warfair, but rather is a reflection of what has been going on for almost a decade now that the average middle class American has seen and heard from various media sources especially C-Span and congressional hearings regarding the economic downturn and the banking and real estate debacle of 2008 which has had a delayed effect on jobs and the overall economy world wide. Most people have been the victims, some more than others and they are tired, angry and rightfully so, as well as having a feeling of powerlessness by which they can themselves recover.

  • Downs1

    The Democrat, leftist, progressive, Marxist, Communist news media and teachers have done a great job over the last decades in dumbing down America! These young heads full of “mush” demonstrating on Wall Street and elsewhere have screwed themselves! They have bought into the idea of class warfare and don’t have the first clue as to what happened to the other countries that did the same. Every one went down in economic chaos and violence and millions died in the aftermath. But some fool always has to try again to become the tyrrant who succeeds. Listen to the hatred and blame that spews from the mouths of some of the liberals on the talk shows and you can’t miss the blindness that shrouds these hopeless idiots. The problem is that America has reached that point of no return when no matter who gains the White House or Congress, the die is cast and this nation is going down both from within and from without. The spirit that made this nation great in the last generations, and the number who have it in the present generation is dying out. The moral standards that gave strength and direction have been replaced with hedonism and a “me first” arrogant controlling attitude that takes and doesn’t give. Every nation that has developed that attitude and social status has gone down. True, something has subsequently arisen from the ashes, but it isn’t something we want. Usually it is more tyrrany and bloodshed. And God is nowhere to be found! Without Him, there is no hope!

  • Michael

    Robert:

    Excellent article! Well put, and on target! Keep up the good work, and keep exposing the lefties for what they are. After all, lefties deny everything, and produce nothing…except for a mess for someone else to clean up!

    • eddie47d

      What rubbish. Who is cleaning up the financial mess left by Wall Street and Corporate shysters.You need to take another look at this serious problem and check out the bigger picture in who is doing what.

      • DaveH

        What is the bigger picture, Eddie? All you offer us is vague overarching generalizations. How about some specifics?

        • eddie47d

          I’ve explained it before and it’s always the same answer from you no matter what. So take a hike troll.

          • DaveH

            No, Eddie, you don’t answer me. You just give the same kind of evasive comment like you just did. You have no credibility, Eddie.

          • eddie47d

            Keep posting those videos and everyone will know you have even less credibility.

  • frank k .

    Both the internet and the Tea Party Movement are the “beginning-of-the-end” ,for what has for years , been known as , “The Republican Establishment.” … The “reach-across-the-aisle crap-ola , always seems to be a “one-way” reach , leaving us “burned” , nearly every time we try to be Mr. Nice Guy ….

    Thank you very much , but I’m praying that we have seen the last Nelson Rockefeller , and/or Arlen Specter …. Romney appears to be nothing more than ‘Obama-Lite” , Mr. Perry’s stance on immigration is not likely acceptable to most Conservatives … I’ll take my chances with Mr. Cain ; how about you ? … Frank K . (N.Va.)

  • John Chittick

    Robert’s analysis rings true when you consider that the Republicans haven’t put forward a conservative nominee since Ronald Reagan. Whether it’s coming from the establishment Republicans or Obama’s Palace Guard Eunuchs (MSM), their goal has always been to ensure a progressive squish as the Republican nominee. America is (majority) conceptually unprepared for a Ron Paul presidency, thus leaving the desperately needed role of taking on the bankrupt entitlement and regulatory leviathan of the federal government to be addressed by a thick-skinned conservative such as Bachmann, Cain, or Gingrich.

  • http://gmail.com carole

    our only salvation is newt. he is the only one who can stand head to head and toe to toe with obama in a debate. as far as baggage,all the candidates have baggage. newt paid for his wrong by losing the speakership. he is the only one who has knowledge of how the government works, how congress works, knows the constitution like the back of his hand, know about foreign affairs,knows how to create an atmosphere to create jobs, and has a plan to bring our deficit down. repubs had better think long and hard before they pick a candidate, and make sure that we have the one who can beat obama, and quit playing games.

    • Realist

      Carole, I presume you know that Newt is another NEOCON and he will succumb to lobby influences and he will continue the same blunders Bush Jr committed and I am not prepared to go that route.

  • Tazio2013

    The Business of Government
    Tuesday, October 18, 2011 – by Ron Paul

    Amid the din of economic nonsense being bandied about since the collapse of the housing bubble and the steep ramping up of our national debt, there has been the persistent refrain that Washington should be run more like a business. If only more business people were in charge to wield their business acumen, we would have this country in shape in no time. But is that a good solution?

    Businesses seek primarily to increase their revenues and profits. Government revenue depends on taxes. Government accumulates taxmoney by squeezing it out of people’s productive earnings with threats of audits, fines and imprisonment. Our government already collects roughly $2.1 trillion annually from the productive taxpayers of America. We hardly need to increase our federal government’s revenues like a private business!

    Businesses sell products or services to voluntary buyers, always looking to increase their market share as much as possible. But what is the federal government’s product or service? Rules, regulations, bureaucracy, paperwork, red tape, hoops to jump through, uneven protection and security from people with guns, coercion and compliance through force and confiscation of assets, militarism instead of national defense, and of course a vast welfare state. Do we need more of these government services? Hardly. In fact, we have far too many of these destructive things already.

    What we need is more freedom. Freedom is the simple ability of people to live their lives as they see fit without government coercion, provided they do not initiate force or fraud against others. What we really need is a less coercive government, not more revenues.

    Semper fi!

    http://www.thedailybell.com/3096/Ron-Paul-The-Business-of-Government

  • msh

    i do not understand all the outrage against wall street. if things are rotten with the economy, [which they are] and we are broke. where is the outrage against all the bureacrats who mis manage our tax money and are in efficent . obama wants to raise taxes and spend more mopney?

  • http://wfwilson6@msn.com Bill

    If it truly is the communists pushing the OWS crowd, then they are making war on America. I know that within our military we have some pretty capable, pretty nasty special operations forces; however, as active military they are duty bound to follow the president and the constitution, so they cannot fight this war. We also have in this country a lot of ex-military, ex-special operations forces, who still have their skills. They are no longer encumbered by the president or their oath.

  • justfacts

    Interesting to see Mr. Ringer again after many years, and to see what he has evolved into. I still recall his book “Winning through Intimidation” and I see nothing has changed. Note that his book was titled winning through intimidation, not winning through skill or winning through knowledge or intelligence or through benefiting others.

    • Karolyn

      VERY interesting!

    • JeffH

      justfacts, have you read Ringer’s Winning Through Intimidation?

      *A Book Review*
      Winning Through Intimidation
      By Robert J. Ringer
      by Michael C. Gray
      May 27, 1999

      Ringer teaches us, giving true examples from his own experience, how to recognize when others are trying to intimidate us and how to protect ourselves.

      Winning through Intimidation is practical, reality-based information that should be required reading for any entrepreneur or salesperson, and mandatory reading for anyone in commercial real estate.
      http://www.profitadvisors.com/intimidation.shtml

  • Tazio2013

    The Ron Paul Revolution Past 2012
    Monday, October 10, 2011 – by Nelson Hultberg

    Times of great crisis in history are usually the crucible from which nations form new leaders and new visions. Such leaders seem to suddenly appear, often out of nowhere, to alter the national path pursued, to cleanse the old ways and stake out a saner, more just means of living and governing.

    Is it God, destiny, fate that are somehow at work to bring about a saving metamorphosis in which some visionary soul rises to the occasion to stir the passions of the people and bring about a righting of the ship? Whatever the force may be, our country is in dire need of its power today.

    If such a force is at work in history, I pray that it is exerting some heady pressure upon the one politician in Washington who has never been a politician – Congressman Ron Paul. who has always been a throwback to the original “citizen statesman” promoted by the Founders as the ideal type of leader for the republic they had formed.

    It is said that the Founders modeled their “citizen statesman” after the example of Cincinnatus of Rome. In the early days of the Roman Republic around 450 BC, Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus was a private farmer who left his plough to lead his countrymen in battle against enemy invaders, and then returned to his pastoral life, only to be called again later to lead the Republic as Consul in a time of political crisis. Cincinnatus has, thus, been handed down over the centuries as a prime example of the citizen statesman who does not seek office and political power as a lifetime career, but gives service to his country by his leadership when called.

    Ron Paul is our modern day Cincinnatus. He serves the Republic that the Founding Fathers gave us, rather than the unlimited Democracy into which the socialists have transformed us. In a world that no longer values the guiding benevolence of the Constitution, Ron Paul makes it his revered compass. In a Washington dominated by unctuous Machiavellians who build their lives upon Faustian bargains and ruthless careerism, Ron Paul stands like a majestic oak of clarity and sanity in defense of the American ideal. His watchword is “steadfast adherence to principle.” Compromise if need be on the means of implementation; but never on the principle itself. Never on the Constitution. Never on the rights of man.

    http://www.thedailybell.com/3059/Nelson-Hultberg-The-Ron-Paul-Revolution-Past-2012

    • Karolyn

      Ron Paul is a rare individual. Even Jefferson ended up compromising.

      • OB1

        Karolyn,

        You responded to fast. He also said:

        Ron Paul stands like a majestic oak of clarity and sanity in defense of the American ideal. His watchword is “steadfast adherence to principle.” Compromise if need be on the means of implementation; but never on the principle itself. Never on the Constitution. Never on the rights of man.

  • rb

    Hitler wrote a book pretty much explaining in detail what he would do and did it. BHO wrote a book too. (Not comparing the two MEN at all!) Read the writings of BHO before you discount Mr. Ringer’s article. If we stick our heads in the sand, as some seem to insist on, we will pull them out to find it is too late to do anything.

  • DOK

    I do not understand why there is so much negitave responses about OWS. These people are from all walks of life and are tired of the SOS DD in Washington. They all have there own reasons for being there, but the sum total is the fact Americans are sick to death of the political horse Sh_t.Yes there are Dem. and Rep., however they are both pushing for the same agenda. The demonstratons are only going to get bigger and eventually, there will be civil unrest.

  • Buck

    Me. Ringer is right on the money , I completely agree with him , and my agreement is not based on the knowledge he relies on but on sinple observation by a person paying attention to the ongoing political picture . My uneducated observations have convinced me that anyone that is not seeing what is going on is not connected to reality ,but then the liberal progressives have always lived in their own little fantasyland .

    • eddie47d

      The author is dishonest and you must have bitten into his apple.Wall Street has set their own rules for too long and they are seldom in our favor.They pay themselves as much as they what no matter how much it effects this country. It’s like a robber given the combination to the safe.

      • JeffH

        eddie says “The author is dishonest”…eddie, being one who embraces dishonesty, could be a little more specific…ya think?

        • eddie47d

          I’ll never master your dishonesty Jeff.

          • JeffH

            eddie, because you are a liar, that just means you’ll never master honesty.

          • eddie47d

            How can a professional liar like you Jeff accuse others of lying?

      • http://google.com Rob

        I keep hearing Wall Street this and Wall Street that, just who is Wall Street? If we’re referring to the Wealthy who own stocks as Wall Street then they deserve to pay themselves whatever they want, they saved and invested. When the rich get richer, everybody else gets more too. I could care less what the CEO of Exxon makes so long as Exxon contributes 200,000 jobs to the US Economy.
        The majority of wealthy people deserve what they make. While most of you were sitting in a park, smoking dope and making signs, the up and coming rich were studying in school or investing their money and opening a business. They were taking the risk, they were working 90 hours per week while you were drinking beer at the game. The wealthy worked for 25 years, 90 hours a week and finally make some profit now they’re creating jobs and instead of buying that Corvette, they are putting their money back in the business until some day when they’re 55 they can sell the business and retire with ten million dollars in the bank or maybe they get offered the job as CEO of XYG Widget Co. making $5 million per year. Either way they are the ones who sacrificed the fun while working weekends and going to school, they took risk with their money and invested it instead of wasting it on dope and girls and they worked 90 hour weeks for 25 years, until they finally made it. What right do you have to take any of their money. You don’t, not one dime.

      • Jibbs

        Hitting the flouride a bit hard, you should buy some bottled water or filter you your water before drinking it.

  • godzilla

    You better believe Obama is behind this! Nothing better than a national crisis to declare Martial Law and suspend elections! Do your research, Ron. One thing Obama isn’t good at is covering his tracks. Do YOU want to live under a dictatorship with Obama at the helm?

    I can list 50 impeachable acts by Obama, so why hasn’t Congress started proceedings? WHY is this man allowed to continue to ruin our country? When will people really open their eyes and see the truth?

    • Karolyn

      They have been pretty peaceful demonstrations, unlike the ones in Rome and the mideast. Why do you guys assume that they have to deteriorate into combat?

    • eddie47d

      If Obama isn’t “covering up his tracks” might be because he has little to hide as you all assume on everything. Nixon covered up his tracks on several occassions but when he finally got caught it was a dozy. If something can be proven against the President then bring it on or else show some self control on the issue instead of implications.

  • Jon Gilbert

    If we were to change the word “envy” that is used in the above article with the word “greed”, we can see how others have the opposite point of view. One side sees the other side as full of envy, while the other side sees the one side as full of greed. Which is it? It depends on which side you are on, but both are base human traits. God help us all.

  • Rick Ferrell

    Thank you Robert. There is hope in knowing that many others feel as you do and share your concerns. i just finished reading the Time’s article titled Middle of the Road” by Joe Klein. It’s interesting, albeit not unbiased. it did not show enough varied opinions and perceptions.

  • jopa

    Mr, Ringer calls the protesters the fleabaggers.He must have been the one holding up the sign in DC proclaiming”WE are the Teabaggers”‘

  • http://againstdisconnction.blogspot.com Patricia Krenik

    It is simply signs of unrest with citizens. They aren’t happy with how things are going so they picket to show their protest. It is the only thing they know to do.
    Not organized into a movement, just a “cool” thing to do because others are doing it and it is fun for them.
    Not a good sign however, because this sort of activity has often come before economic crashes (or at least I am told that is true).

    • http://google.com Rob

      I think this one came after the crash.

  • Polski

    Sigh……just another of the group of postings on this forum that are NOT interested in WHAT is happening and WHY, but just want to beat up on the other posters that are beating up on them. It’s a MIRACLE, that we haven’t BLOWN-UP the planet yet.

    The rich are HAPPY with the world. They have STOLEN, and are STEALING, all the wealth from the poor, the middle class and whatever else you want to call them, successfully. THEY ARE CROOKS!!!

    The rest of the people, the 99%, do NOT know how to stop this, how to reverse this. So they are trying out SOMETHING!!!. Only time will tell whether OCCUPY WALL STREET will work, or whether it will lead to a LONG TERM solution for the mythical SILENT MAJORITY. Hopefully, it will, because otherwise, ARMAGEDDON, or whatever word you want to use, will eventually happen. When there is NO light at the end of the tunnel, events that are scary, happen and accumulate.

    • http://google.com Rob

      You’re a fool if you think all of the wealthy are crooks. Sure they have some bad apples just like every group, but 99% are honest hard working people. The wealthy contribute a hell of a lot more to society than you parasites OWS. The wealthy start companies and give people jobs when the government isn’t regulating them to death. When the wealthy spend their money, it creates jobs for auto makers, boat builders, home builders, truckers, construction workers etc… A poor person never gave a job to anyone. People like you make me sick, you hate everyone who has more than you but you won’t get off your butt to get anything.

      • Polski

        I have worked for this company for 40 years. In the industry for another 15 years. Our CEO makes $19 million a year. He should pay the company $200 million a year just to be able to come in the door. Our Senators and representatives are for the illegal aliens, not for us. Our city council and mayor use the available funds for themselves.
        We had Bush for 8 years. Now we have Obama. You know, candidate #1 is terrible, and candidate #2 is horrible.

        You sound like a 13 year old kid with no experience.

        • Jibbs

          Polski says:
          October 18, 2011 at 5:22 pm
          I have worked for this company for 40 years. In the industry for another 15 years. Our CEO makes $19 million a year. He should pay the company $200 million a year just to be able to come in the door. Our Senators and representatives are for the illegal aliens, not for us. Our city council and mayor use the available funds for themselves.
          We had Bush for 8 years. Now we have Obama. You know, candidate #1 is terrible, and candidate #2 is horrible.

          You sound like a 13 year old kid with no experience.

          ———————————————————————

          Maybe you should have started your own company, I’ll bet if you made 19 million a year, you would feel a lot different.
          Life is like a bank, put nothing in, get nothing out.

          • Polski

            Ah, but I have put in a tremendous amount. I have put in 55 years of my life, which is priceless. I don’t want the tradeoff of money for “get a life”, but I don’t want any of the carpetbagger CEOs and senior executives to have it at the expense of others like myself. Obviously, if I had been a successful CROOK, and was making $19 million a year by choosing to be a CROOK, I would look at things differently…..DUH……

  • simian pete

    Mr. Torotise,

    I guess the sh– hit the fan, most upper middle class (moneywise) people are slipping to the lower class (economically) .. I think you predicted something like this was going to happen in your book “How You Can Find Happiness During the Collapse of Western Civilization ” back in the 1980′s.

    Many of the people demonstrating have the wealth, to demonstrate now.In a few years they won’t have the wealth to demonstrate. They can’t face the reality that their next job will probably be part time/low wage (for example – $9/hr). They will have to say good bye to their SUV’s and beautiful houses in the burbs…

    For example, I’ve been unemployed for quite some time and am receiving SNAP for food assistance. My wife makes about $10/hour in retail. I was a member of the lower middle class up to March 2011 – but I’m now broke. Even though I have much “free” time I lack the “wealth” to join the protestors … I am now DE FACTO lower economic class (and still slipping) .. Reality dictates it is time for me to declare BANKRUPTCY and start over again. Maybe that is what the protestors are trying to avoid ?

    Making a trip to NYC to protest is impossible because I have “no mucho dinero” to make the trip. But those who have the most to lose (and are about to lose their American dream – the upper middle class) are losing it (as Mr. Celente has pointed out) …

    These are interesting times …..

  • Mirage

    People on this site largely cry about abuse of government, and then when American demonstrators decend on Wall Street for change, the people here on this site denounce them – this makes no sense!
    “GET MONEY OUT”, and “OCCUPY WALL STREET” are grass-roots movements dedicated to taking government back for MAIN STREET.
    To not support them, is to support the status quo, which if one is to tap into all the dissatisfied opinions expressed on this site, is not working.
    You want to talk about class warfare? It is, the top 1% against the rest of us, the 99% percenters!
    Robert Ringer doesn’t want to go there because he must draw his paycheck from some right wing think tank sponsered by wealthy elite Koch types … judging by his support of the present SYSTEM! He sold out long ago and is a traitor.

    • http://slayerwulfe slayerwulfe

      I don’t want to get into some pointless argument with you that becomes name calling but would ask you to take a step back and look a little deeper, we all fit the description in some way or were unemployed. There is this one point I’m certain of any of the protesters would rather be the object of the protest than their current ‘Occupation’. Tell me if you can see it because this is what Ringer is saying only he is calling it envy, they are both the same thing. They want jobs and any of them would work for the ‘scum’ they say their against.

      • Karolyn

        Not everybody is for sale. I would venture to guess that a portion of the demonstrators are self-employed and operate via their computers, working at home. They also might work shift work. Why do they have to be unemployed? Can’t they just want change? Some people take action for what they believe just because they are passionate about it.

      • Mirage

        Wrong!
        It is not class envy when people demonstrate against a system that protects the Bernie Madoff’s of the world (until they turn themselves in).
        It is not class envy when people take to the streets in anger over governments refusal to make Wall Street accountable for collapsing the economy.
        It is not class warfare when the middle class grows tired of no one listening to their voices over issues like affordable health care etc.
        Ringer is way off base, and so is anyone who doesn’t support the grass roots movements I’ve listed, which, have overwhelming support of the American people, sans many here on this extreme right wing fish tank.

    • http://google.com Rob

      You’ve got OWS mixed up with the Tea Party. The difference is we think the problem is with the government, not Capitalism. Obama has caused this big mess its he who need to go, not the Rich.

      • Karolyn

        Obama has not single-handedly caused this “big mess.” It’s been happening for over 200 years.

        • 45caliber

          Karolyn:

          True. But it has really esculated in the last three years. And it is only getting worse as Congress refuses to do their job and the czars govern the country the way they wish. While I won’t say that Oblama is definately the one causing all the problems now, I will say that he is the man who appointed those who are.

    • http://google.com Rob

      Apparently Mirage, the top 1% not only have all the money but they have all the brains too.

      • Mirage

        No Rob, many are just the BIGGEST MONEY WHORES. If a guy will do anything to get ahead, does that make him the guy with all the brains? I.E. Bernie Madoff.

    • Jibbs

      The root of the problem is the government, they let themselves be bought off with money to line their pockets in return for letting wallstreet do what they want.
      If you want to fix the problem, go to Washington DC and remove them… by force if need be and put them on trial, them march them to the gallows…the illegal potus and his cabinet and czars.
      Case closed, problem fixed.

      • Karolyn

        I happened to hear part of an interview with a writer today who has an inside track in Washington. He said that our elected representatives spend most of every day on the phone trying to raise money rather than seeing to the business of this country.

  • bob Burnham

    I have two relatives in Florida who are victims of bank foreclosure hence have lost their home..BECAUSE the home building industry has “dried up” and my never return….HENCE this slick caustic piece above looks like somebody wrote who is pathetically caustic and completely
    self centered. YUCK!

  • http://slayerwulfe slayerwulfe

    Too many comments to read them all, my rant Robert. As far as revolutionaries I see the occupier’s about as dangerous as Poncho and Lefty, but it is wise to point out any of them would dance with the devil if the funding was adequate. And it’s not as though they would be betraying their cause because they don’t have any as you pointed out except the personal one. If I’m reading between the lines correctly are your concerns about loss of personal rights, that this activity may be viewed as a need to protect the population from itself. I hope I’m not viewed as a traitor myself but it would have prevented this from happening at all, I think that is why it will never happen. Religion and Social Unrest are two of the major fires that fuel our political system do you think any of them want to change that.

  • Buddy

    You observe that “the end justifies the means”. However, what is much more scary is that “the means tend to become the ends”! That’s why there are more controlling activities than there are end points.

  • R. Ray Morford

    Obama and his Daddy Soros will do anything to distract responsible Citizens from seeing The evil going on in our present administration. Yes we have a bunch of fuzzy headed pot smoking youth talking nonsense. Yes we have Communists, Marxists, Corrupt Unions mixed in and endorsed by Democrats. ALL FOR A FUTURE VOTE. Oh, and I should add that the Main Stream Media glorifies this mess. “WE THE PEOPLE” must keep the pressure on and expose these insurrectionists.

  • Forrest Gump

    Well, sadly what you say is true, SC. The problem is, Rob’s right on the money too. I have been thinking ever since I saw the “Occupy” protesters’numbers growing that this could be the onset of that excuse O’s been looking for to enact martial law and suspend elections in 2012. After that come the 4 AM raids to selective suburban homes and train rides to the FEMA installations. I for one, am glad I’m not in the USA right now. For those of you who are, be careful.

  • John

    Communism seems to be what happens when a society’s leaders (government and business) over abuse their power, flaunting it to the point where the people revolt allowing the diverse, personal issues of the revolting people to be more focused by a more organized group claiming to represent their issues to rise to power and create another self serving set of leaders abusing the people in a more violent way. History’s lessons have the future scaring me.

  • http://google.com Rob

    Your assessment of the Obama administration and his plans to suspend the election is a good possiblity, but given the success of the left-wing revolution I’m thinking he might continue on using the OWS and let them do his dirty work for him. This is the first president in history to promote the overthrow of his own government and use them to banish the opposition at the same time. What makes this so possible is how naive people are. Like the comment (ron) above the plans sound so outlandish people refuse to believe an American president would actually do something like that. Unfortunately for us this president is doing this right under our noses. Obama has every intention to overthrow or take over the US and he’s using Class Warfare to achieve his goals.

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    Its funny how things go around in cycles. Back in the 60′s the hippies all protested the establishment this and the establishment that. It was everyone’s fault for everything, and none of the fault was theirs. Now, they are all running things, and its still everyone elses fault. Its so easy to be a victim and blame everyone else.

  • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

    “Just as the mid-1950s represent the pinnacle of Western civilization, the French Revolution has always served as the gold standard for aspiring left-wing revolutionaries. The Bolshevik Revolution in Russia, which came on the scene nearly 130 years later, is often held up as a model for would-be revolutionaries, but it didn’t have the passion and romanticism of the French Revolution.”

    A look at the mid-1950′s shows the following The cold war at at it’s hight, segregation was a real and brutal fact, the environment was being destroyed ,the only real positive note was the tax system was a little fairer. The pinnacle of civilization has yet to be reached

    Bolshevik Revolution and the French Revolution like our own Revolution were a people overthrowing a Monarch that’s all.No giant left wing plot to take away any freedoms just to be free of the Monarch.
    A little History after WW1 (1919)the western allies formed an Expeditionary Force that fought against the Bolshevik Red Army.This which was the start of strained relation for the next 102 years.The main reason for this miss guided intervention Corporations were worried workers might get a descent living and cut into there profits There Motto then and now “Profits Over People”

  • Dave

    QUESTIONS FOR THE OCCUPY WALL STREET PROTESTERS
    GENERAL
    WHO STARTED “OCCUPY WALL STREET”?WHO IS THE FATHER OF OWS? HOW DID THIS MOVEMENT START?WHO PLANNED THIS EVEN WHO IS PAYING FOR THE MADISON AVENUE MARKETING FIRM?
    (excessive post removed)

  • http://donthaveone Beberoni

    All your questions are fair and too the point. And if you ask 20 men, you just might get 20 different answers. Sweet thing is, in the very end, there is ONE who truly knows whats wrong and what is right, and He says, that all wrongs will be made right, and there will be justice. I hang my hat on that hope.

    • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

      Did not get to respond to this “Can you spell Frag Boy and Girls” You are a Coward

      • JeffH

        …and we’ve a pretty good idea what you are…whether on your knees or not! How’s your cauliflower ears doing?

        • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

          You too are a coward

          • eddie47d

            Bingo SGT

          • JeffH

            ROFLMAO & PMP!

  • 45caliber

    As far as I’m concerned, Romney is Demo-lite. He is certainly not conservative at all. Perry is about like Bush, Jr. He is more interested in growing government and shifting more to the left than anyone except Romney. I don’t like either of them as a Presidential candidate and don’t think either has a chance of defeating Oblama.

    Which is probably why the MSM pushed these two so much. However – if Romney can’t get more than 4% of the vote at the moment, why is he still in the race and why is the MSM pushing him? The MSM question is easy – they KNOW Oblama can beat him and that’s why they are pushing him. But why he keeps running is a question I’d like answered. Perry wants it for himself BUT he also follows those in Washington and New England who want to be the real rulers as they have been in the past with other GOP Presidents.

    We need someone else. Look at who else is running and ask yourself, “Are they honest? Do they have controllers who tell them what to do? Who can do the least harm to the nation while moving us more to the right?” Then vote for that person.

    • OB1

      Exactly!

  • http://juanita.shell@att.net Juanita

    I am amazed by so much negativity about Pres. Obama and the Occupy Wall Street Protesters. I suppose it is because Repubilicans are a moneyed class and does not know what it is like to be without a job or owning a business. If the truth is to be told the author of the article does not have a clue or is deliberately distorting what the Occupy Wall Street Protesters represent. Protesting is the most basic aspect of our democracy to address a grievance. I am thankful that they are protesting because they are protesting because there are many wrongs. The Supreme Court Decision to classify a corporation as person,the greed and outright theft of taxpayers money in bailing out the banks and the fact that no one went to jail. What should have happened is the Supreme Court should have ruled that corporations is not a person and their place has no role in funding political candidiates for office. Paulson who the money was given to and all of those involved should be in jail. Until there are rules that no politician can take money from individuals or corporations our system of government will continue to be corrupt. Our economic system will too suffer as long as the Federal Reserve System is in place. We need to get rid of the Feds and take money out of politics. It is outrageous that there has been announcements that certain candidates took in 17 million dollars,15 million and etc in the last quarter. That money is buying power and influence. IT NEEDS TO STOP. ALL OF THE POLITICIANS ARE BOUGHT! How is it possible for it to be an equity when the money of the average citizen is siphoned from the top?

  • Anti-Starvation Conservative

    “envy-based anger”? What world are you from? While a few protesters are clueless, the majority are there because they have no jobs to go to. Because the jobs have been shipped overseas or taken by illegal immigrants that are paid a pittance. Because the banks have forclosed on their homes. Because they are buried in debt that they can never hope to pay off.

    All this misery is so the 1% can get multi million dollar bonuses each year for ‘saving’ the company money. The corporations have been complaining for many years that employees are making too much money and benefits while the CEO makes multi-millions. Well, now that they have no employees in this country they will just have to live with the consequences…unemployment demonstrations.

    How loudly would the rich protest if, for instance, the banks closed and told them they had no more money?

    This video tells a few of the 99% stories:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLf-7LEVTaA

  • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

    Could not have said it better

    ” The Tea Party, supporter is older, wealthier and whiter than the American demographic average. It is a movement, by in large, of the haves — not the have-nots”
    Ishann Tharoor Time 10/18/2011

    • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

      SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

      Occupy Wall Street Marks One Month
      Posted Oct. 17, 2011, 8:20 a.m. EST by OccupyWallSt

      Occupations Spread to Over 100 US Cities
      Movement For Economic Justice Gains Global Momentum

      Liberty Square, New York, NY — One month ago today about 2,000 people rallied in Lower Manhattan and marched up Broadway. Stopping at Zuccotti Park an estimated 150 stayed the night and began an encampment. Renaming the space “Liberty Square,” we kicked off a protest against bank bailouts, corporate greed, and the unchecked power of Wall Street in Washington. In the last month, the message of “We are the 99%” has won the hearts and minds of over half of Americans (according to a recent Time survey) and is gaining ground globally, with 1500 protests in 82 countries this past Saturday (October 15).

      “I am here to celebrate the 30th day of this protest against corporate power,” said Karanja Gacuca from Liberty Square, a former Wall Street analyst who now organizes with Occupy Wall Street. “Concerned about the egregious Wall Street bonuses — particularly after the industry accepted a tax-payer bailout and the middle class continues to be squeezed — I believe it’s time for a fairer system that provides health care, education, and opportunity for all, and rejects corporate influence over government.”

      Inspired by the uprisings across the Arab world, and fueled by the feelings of anger and helplessness of everyday Americans, in the past month Occupy Wall Street has:

      Gone Global: On October 15th, protests were held from North and South America to Asia, Africa and Europe, with over 1,500 events in 82 countries, as part of a global day of action.

      Flourished with Diversity: Occupiers of different ages, races, walks of life, and political beliefs have joined the movement. The mix grew quickly to include students, elderly people, families with children, construction workers on their lunch breaks, unemployed Wall Street executives, Iraq & Afghanistan veterans, moms, and many others.

      Gained Support in the Heartland: Occupy actions are happening all across middle America, from Kethcum, ID to Kalamazoo, MI, from Orlando to Anchorage. Every day financial contributions arrive along with clothes, food, and notes of support from all across the country. A couple from West Virginia who have been sending supplies to Liberty Square occupiers writes: “We are so grateful for all of you involved in this defense of America. We firmly believe this is ‘it.’ If we can’t grab this democracy this time, we’ll sink and it will be a long time before we will have this opportunity again. Thank you for taking time from your busy life to be there.”

      Changed the Conversation: The people-powered force of shared anger at a broken system that profits the top 1% at the expense of the rest of us has shifted our national dialogue. The Occupy Wall Street protest has become a cultural phenomenon, mentioned everywhere from jokes on Saturday Night Live to the solemn dedication the national memorial to Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. by President Obama Sunday. We, the occupiers, have shown our country how to come together and respect differences while working together to build a movement for change.

      What a month, and we are only getting started!

      Occupy Wall Street is a people-powered movement that began on September 17, 2011 in Liberty Square in Manhattan’s Financial District, and has spread to over 100 cities in the United States and actions in over 1,500 cities globally. #OWS is fighting back against the corrosive power of major banks and multinational corporations over the democratic process, and the role of Wall Street in creating an economic collapse that has caused the greatest recession in generations. The movement is inspired by popular uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia, and aims to expose how the richest 1% of people are writing the rules of an unfair global economy that is foreclosing on our future.

  • Anti-Starvation Conservative

    http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ceou/database.cfm

    The number of “median wage” salaries it takes to equal a CEO’s compensation just happens to be about the same number of people that get laid off each year (about 300 to 400 people). Very curious. It seems companies have no long range goals anymore.

  • http://deleted Shirley

    Joyce fr0m Laris… I agree with you 100%… every time I go to the grocery store and pick up my chicken and hamburger and hot dogs, and stand behind a woman using her food card whose cart is loaded with steaks, ribs, roasts, etc.. I think what is wrong with this picture.. looking closer, she has acrylic nails, her toes are manicured, she’s carrying a designer purse ( usually Coach)… I see red… I worked all my life raised 6 children, sent them to private school and never received an entitlement check ever… ( my dad would have rolled over in his grave..Now I am 78 yrs. old and existing on my soc. sec. check and guess what… It meets my needs.. (not my wants)… but that is what is was meant to do…And I can go to my grave, head up high knowing I did my best… God bless America…

  • Peter

    Sorry Robert, I believe you’re very ‘solidly’ pounding against the smoke and mirrors being put up by the extreme right. I am neither left-wing nor right. I try to look for the merit or fault in every situation to evaluate its real truth. The ‘Occupy’ movement appears to be a very loose coalition of very frustrated Americans – ordinary Americans, otherwise known as ‘we the people’. Here are some examples of why they all of a sudden feel so much frustration at, as they put it, “the death of the American dream”:

    Example #1
    “My father works 120 hours a week to support a family of 5. Lives 4 hours away from home and is only able to see his family once every two months for a few days. We’re grateful he has a job at all though.
    Still we live week to week, paycheck to paycheck.
    College is too $$$, Food is too $$$!!! I’m unable to get a job to help pay bills. Nobody wants to hire an 18 year old.”

    Example #2
    “I am 35 years old. I have a BA and attended grad school until I had to drop out for financial reasons. I made excellent grades and played by all the rules that “good kids” are supposed to play by to be successful.I make about 35K and owe 50K in student loans for a Master’s Degree I couldn’t finish.I have never owned a home and probably never will. I rent a room from a friend. The house is currently underwater and I am afraid he will decide to walk away. I have never lived without roommates.I have never had a full time job. They have all been “part time” jobs where I work 40+ hours a week, but they don’t want to give me the higher level of benefits.I hate my job, but I stay and work hard because I know I am lucky to have it. I am one of the privileged few to still have good benefits. We are expected to do the work of 2 or 3 people and have mandatory overtime every week because they don’t want to hire any more people. I am exhausted all the time. My health has declined due to the stress and I now have to take medications to deal with it. The company is making near record profits, and our department is directly contributing to the company’s profitability. These profits are not going back to us, they are going to the 1%. Instead, our benefits are getting cut by about 10% due to the “bad economy”. I know I am one of the lucky ones, because I haven’t lost everything yet.”

    Example #3
    “I have an English degree that costs more to pay back than a job as a writer pays.
    I am also a woman, so minus 25% of that.
    What kind of a Nation charges more for education than the salary of an occupation??”

    Example #4
    “My name is Robin. I am a married mother of 3 and caregiver to my elderly handicapped mother. I am an artist and website designer and until 6 months ago, I was a successful small business owner for 11 years. Because of the skyrocketing cost of insurance, rate hikes in rent and utilities, cost of living increases, gas increases and the unwillingness of the bank to give us a loan or even a small line of credit, we lost our small family business. I lost my life’s work. Now I freelance when I can and my entire family, except for my mom is uninsured. My husband and I have both worked our entire lives. We did everything right and by the book. We have never been afraid of hard work, we have never received any form of welfare or unemployment. We have taught our children that if you work hard, get a good education you can do anything. What do I tell them now? What future do my children have?”

    Robert and others who would denigrate this movement out of hand, this is NOT about envy! It’s about ordinary Americans who, through no fault of their own have lost or are about to lose everything because of the massive burdens placed on them by both government (of both flavors) and by big business, whether or not your political bias feels comfortable with this diagnosis. These are ordinary US citizens who have simply had enough of being used as cannon-fodder and cash-cows by those ‘in power’ over them. Please do some genuine research before making ignorant fear-mongering claims.

    • Karolyn

      Thank you for the quotes, Peter. Too many people jump to conclusions about whole segments of the population.

      • Void1972

        Karolyn
        “Thank you for the quotes, Peter. Too many people jump to conclusions about whole segments of the population.”

        Don’t you think peter is doing just that?
        He gave you 4 phony examples and you think this is America?
        Peter is a typical uneducated student of nothing and has been brainwashed like most of our youth.

        This will explain peter and his fleabag movement.

        1. A Nation Defined (Part 1 of 3)
        A nation is defined as having specific borders, language, culture, traditions, values, beliefs and symbols. The common language of this United States is English. The common religion is some form of Christianity. We have a history and we …have a culture that developed specific to the USA. The USA has a system of governance like no other nation. The USA became the economic and military leader in the world. And, the USA prospered in this way because free men and women had the freedom and liberty to be innovative, creative and productive. We are and have been the envy of the world and also the protectors of the world. Up until the Federal Government was taken over by subversives and criminals, most all Americans knew and understood these principles of what defines the United States of America, One Nation, With Liberty and Justice For All. Slowly at first, we began to develop politicians, bureaucrats, actors, entertainers and news anchors who began to Subvert this Image of the USA and introduced Propaganda and Subversive Messages to selected audiences for political purposes, and teachers began teaching these same subversive messages in the schools, and TV shows and movies began to denigrate the USA and our history. The messages were quite subtle at first, and over time, as more and more tolerance for the subversive messages was ingrained into our children, and through TV and movies, the politicians and other Actors became more and more abrasive and bold in their subversive messages. Over time, the Public Education System was taken over by the National Teacher Unions VIA the U.S. Department of Education which has grown more and more powerful and have now taken over curriculum in all Public Schools nationally with a One World Agenda being Forced by the Federal Government, and the local teachers, principals, and administrators have, like sheep, gone along with any and every suggestion or mandate coming down from DC, and today, we have allowed the National Teacher Unions and the U.S. Department of Education to Dumb Down and Brainwash several generations of our youth, and they have brought the USA down to being the Number 28th best schools system in the world. In 1966, the very year that the Federal Government started the Take Over of Public Schools which had up to that point been controlled by local and state governments, we had one of the TOP 3 best public school systems in the world, and the USA was in the same position in Literacy. And, not only were we in the top 3 academically and in literacy, we were Number One in Production of Goods and Services that were the envy of the world. We were also Number One Militarily and we were also Number One Morally and We Were almost Exclusively Christian, and these Christian Values were shared in our schools, clubs, state houses and other public places without fear or concern for offending anybody. And, our Jewish and other fellow-Americans always knew that they too, were free to worship in any way which they wanted as long as their worship and teachings were not teachings of violence and overthrowing the government, etc. Churches, in those days, were not used for subversion or corruption. But, that began to change in the 1960′s when churches did begin to teach subversion and violence. Churches, instead of teaching the Gospels of Jesus Christ, began to teach what was called Liberation Theology which was a Marxist Doctrine that encouraged violence and the overthrowing of governments. The Communists and Marxists were clever.
        They knew that their Subversive and Revolutionary Movement could not be Openly Promoted on the Streets Or In The Schools of that day, but they could, in the name of Freedom Of Religion, use the churches for subversive teachings and to encourage revolution.
        A Nation Defined (Part 2 of 3)
        More and more colleges and even seminaries were infiltrated with these Marxist Teachers, and the colleges began to subvert the college kids that mom and dad raked and saved to send to college, never knowing or believing that their kids would become radicalized instead of being prepared to make a better, more prosperous life for themselves and their children. And, today, in 2011, the public schools teach subversion and immorality openly at earlier and earlier ages thereby undermining family values, Christian principles, and morality in general, while at the same time dumbing our kids down academically and intellectually stifling them, and worse, causing them to have very serious emotional, psychological and psychiatric problems that mostly go untreated and they grow up to be totally dysfunctional members of society and dependent on others to care for them, as they have not learned how to take care of themselves in the public schools which were supposed to be preparing them to be self-sufficient and productive adults with the academic skills necessary to pursue work, higher education, vocational schools, or whatever occupational pursuit they chose. The schools now Disable Children at alarming Rates as more and more Labels are Placed on Children who do not readily adapt to the brainwashing systems we call public education, and the government run schools get the parents to go along with their Disability Labeling because the Parents Get a Check For Little Johnny’s Disability and the School Administrators and Teachers Go Along with this Scam either because they are Ignorant or because, The School System Gets More Funding For Special Needs Students, and the Children Become Lost in The Shuffle in this Ponzi Scheme and Scam being run by the Federal Government To Place More and More Kids on the Disability Roles. Kids, who before ever being given a chance to find out what their True Abilities, Talents, Skills, Interests, Aptitude and Intellectual possibilities are, are told instead that they are Disabled and Should just learn how to Adapt To and Live With The Disability, and, for most of these kids, they also get Drugged and these Drugs affect their sleep, appetite, behavior and their zeal and zest for life, and worse, they do not develop along normal and natural emotional developmental and intellectual patterns, thus being debilitated for life, unless drastic measures are taken at some point in the kids life and he or she gets the emotional, psychological, intellectual and academic interventions that he or she needs. And, the likelihood of these kids getting that help in the Public School Systems that are being Run From The Top Down U.S. Department of Education, is about Zero to Nil. The U.S. Department of Education, the APA, the NEA, The AFT, The Pharmaceutical Companies, the AMA and other agencies, departments and industries are invested in this Disability Labeling Scam and the Schemes that go along with it. And, sadly, the Kids are lost in the shuffle and continue to go through life believing that he or she is disabled and become dependent on the government for their every need, and the ignorant parents go along with it because they believe the Experts at their Child’s School, and after all, isn’t the Government Taking Care of Little Johnny and also Providing a Disability Check to the Family while he is still in school? Little Johnny gets treated Special and Little Johnny’s life is being destroyed, and Little Johnny, after becoming of adult age, with little or no academic skills and a totally shattered sense of self, and totally shattered emotional, psychological, and intellectual growth becomes a statistic, and is many times more likely to wind up with drug and or alcohol addiction and other maladaptive behaviors and wind up in a jail, prison, mental institution or cemetery by the time he is 21 years old.
        A Nation Defined (Part 3 of 3)
        We hear government slogans such as this all the time: “A child’s mind is a terrible thing to waste.” Well, folks, what is worse is that the very system that we expect to stop this from happening are not only Wasting Our Children’s Minds, they are Doing Irreparable Harm to all too many of our children who never discover their true Human Potential, Mentally, Intellectually, Emotionally, Psychologically or otherwise. And, the kids who are able to Escape the Disability Labels are also being damaged emotionally, psychologically, intellectually, spiritually, behaviorally and psychiatrically. And, these damaged kids grow up to beome the Dysfunctional Leaders, Parents and Adults of the future, and we wonder why the USA is falling behind in every category in the world???? Wake Up America!!! Take Your Kids and Their Schools Back and Do Not Wait For Permission from Local School Officials, Teachers, Principals, Board Members, Teacher Unions or the U.S. Department of Education. Your Children Are Your Responsibility in spite of what the Government Has Told You to The Contrary as the Schools and Government have also Dumbed You Down and Brainwashed you as well. Wake Up and Take Your Kids back if you truly love them and if you truly love the United States of America and want to turn the destruction of the USA around. It has only taken the Subversives in Government, Colleges, Hollywood and Public Schools about 45 years to bring Down The USA to the Standards Academically, Morally, Spiritually, Psychologically, Socially and Intellectually. And, if we Do Not Take Our Kids and Their Schools Back NOW, nothing in America is going to Change for The Better, but is guaranteed to Worse as time goes on. We did not go from being the Number One Producer overnight, and we did not go from being in the Top 3 Public School Systems in the World to Number 28 overnight. It took the Government, Hollywood, Colleges and Public Schools 45 years to take Us To The Bottom. There is a Direct Correlation to the Destruction of Public Schools and Federal Involvement in Local and State Matters. This same Correlation applies to Every U.S. Government Agency or Department that Takes Over Any Function of Society. And, the National Debt is also a Direct Correlation to The Size and Involvement of the Federal Government and It’s Multi-Armed Bureaucracy. In 1966, there was a Zero National Debt. Today, that has risen to over 14 Trillion Dollars, and this Massive Debt is a Direct Result of an Out Of Control Federal Bureaucracy and Federal Government That Has Become a Despotic Bureaucratic Empire, and it has happened because We, The People Allowed The Government To Bully Us and to To Enforce Political Correctness, Cultural Diversity and other Subversive Messages that we slowly accepted as we were being brainwashed and dumbed down by Hollywood, Churches in some cases, our politicians and mostly by Our Public Schools, Colleges and Universities.

        This is how a peter, dj, eddie, denniso and yourself were created. This is how millions of peter’s are created.
        Communism is alive and well and thriving in our government, media and schools. If we don’t end this insanity now, all of our children will be like a peter.
        Don’t let that happen.
        God bless America, and those who fight for her!!!!

        • Peter

          Void1972, what an apt name! Void of any intelligence for a start. Can’t read. These examples are as real as any of the other quotes from GOP supporters on this site, who refer to various internet addresses to support their argument! I CLEARLY stated I am not left-wing (or right-wing for that matter). I refuse to align myself with either political ideology becuase neither side governs for the future, only for opinion polls and their bankrollers. To accuse me blindly of being a communist is not only personally repugnant to me, it’s just plain stupid.
          One fact has emerged as very clear over recent years, and that is that since the fall of communism in the former USSR, the world discovered that extreme left-wing communism and socialism doesn’t work.
          Likewise, through the actions of many large corporations and financial institutions that have placed the national and international economies in great peril, we are now discovering that extreme capitalism doesn’t work either.
          The truth is, there needs to be a more centre-based ideology for society to have any chance of real survival, however due to human greed, we are more likely to be doomed to perpetual roller-coaster rides between the two extremes.
          So Void, please keep both hands above the table when you’re typing.

    • Jibbs

      #1) impossiable there are only 129 hours in a week. eateing, washing, commuting to/from work would leave less than 30 hrs. wfor sleep.

      #2) that was your choice, you payed too much for education. When I was 35 years old I was working 50 to 70 hours a week, depending on our work load. The comp. made a profit and I made overtime—no reason to complain, go to work due your job and collect your pay check. Lifes tough, and tougher if your stupid.

      #3) Why did you earn a degree that pays less than the job pays….again your choice. The fact that your a woman means 25% less….bullsh!t!

      #4) this can happen to anyone at anytime. Did you ever bother to save any money for a rainy day? You could have worked out of your home and not had to pay rent for an office space. If you did everything “right” as you claim, why are you renting a home instead of owning one, if you wned a home you would be able to write off a lot of things for your mortgage, interest, ect., ect.

      So why don’t you do some research before you open your mouth. The root of the problem is a government that sold us out to line their pockets. The protest needs to be at the Whitehouse! WAKE UP!

      • Peter

        Jibbs, your ignoramus response is, quite frankly, pathetic.You obviously have absolutely no understanding of any of the external influences these ordinary American middle-class people have lived under, including being sold the lie that a college education and hard work will enable them to have a solid future. That’s what the colleges rely on, marketing and spin, just like politicians, banks and financiers.
        And an 18-year-old can’t count? Big deal! The point is his father works so hard he can’t spend time with his family. But he CHOOSES to work hard just to keep food on the table and a roof over their heads. If you seriously think that women don’t get paid less than men still, you need to pull your head out of your behind and open your eyes.

        • Jibbs

          Peter says:
          October 18, 2011 at 7:35 pm
          Jibbs, your ignoramus response is, quite frankly, pathetic.You obviously have absolutely no understanding of any of the external influences these ordinary American middle-class people have lived under, including being sold the lie that a college education and hard work will enable them to have a solid future. That’s what the colleges rely on, marketing and spin, just like politicians, banks and financiers.
          And an 18-year-old can’t count? Big deal! The point is his father works so hard he can’t spend time with his family. But he CHOOSES to work hard just to keep food on the table and a roof over their heads. If you seriously think that women don’t get paid less than men still, you need to pull your head out of your behind and open your eyes.

          ———————————————————————-

          Quite frankly, I was responding to your ignorant and pathetic posts that say a man works 120 hrs a week 4 hours from home, or was it the other three examples. ROLMAO, hehehe, lol…I just can’t decide which one is better.
          I went back and read what you wrote four times, they are way too unbelievable.

          Meanwhile back at the ranch, Little Joe was gathering up some horse’s.

      • Jibbs

        My mistake

        #1) should say 168 hrs. in a week

        #3) should have said, why whould you more more for and education than the job pays.

    • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

      Thank you

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Has anyone ever heard of the GI Bill ?

  • http://www.headprimer.com kantstanja

    “The next in line to be tested on that question is Herman Cain”. r. ringer

    … And who after that?.. And WHO after that?? Are you (like other media hypers) leaving Ron Paul for last? In the background, hoping.. Praying that it doesn’t come down to him? Saving the dregs of candidate nose picking funds so there will be little left if somehow everyone decides to nominate him? Do you know why the demleft is succeeding? That’s because your team isn’t much better! They have (basically) the same agenda or are so blatant in wasting resources that the other side looks good in comparison (as it had appeared in the last election). C’mon Mr. R..! You’d have to be a blithering idiot (regardless of which affiliation you subscribe to) if you didn’t want peace in our time.. a balanced budget and a lifestyle that everyone (regardless his/her financial position) would be proud of (yes, molly.. there are scads of middle and lower classed workers who enjoy their ‘simple’ life) To date there has no one who has allowed them this, blatantly crowing about ‘record profits’ and allowing corporations to operate in other Countries for what? To insure those record profits.. The ONLY reason the Reps can’t get a hold on the matter is they continue to offer losers as saviors just like the Dems, the only difference in the two is this time the coin showed ‘tails’.. Republicans can flip that coin over if they would just offer reasonable pledges that will benefit all Americans.. Stop threatening to cut-off welfare, legitimate recipients don’t want to hear this.. fraudulent recipients will merely edge over to the next opportunity that they can manipulate, stay out of social security.. if it’s going to eventually die then allow it to die gracefully, don’t help it along by lethal injection.. Instead, pledge (and follow through) on re-establishing the distribution to the needy and not just because they have a dry cough. Put the truly needy on the list, make it impossible for the crooked to find those loopholes and the cost will go down to understandable levels. End this misdemeanor incarceration.. Drop the marijuana class and drop a third of the penal budget. Ron Paul is the most capable candidate that could even give Obama a run for his money, and if his actions are as sincere as his promises, even Obama’s billions won’t be able to buy himself a second term. Keep it up, make it ‘b’ness as usual’ and you’ll end up repeating what Bush did.. This is NOT what the citizens want. They want true change and fair play for everyone THEN they’ll stop nagging about the rich and special privileges. I would vote for Ron Paul even though I’m an independent drawn toward democratic ideals which Obama is not providing, nor will he if re-elected.. But just like Gerald Ford, you don’t want honesty in politics, you want what can benefit YOU more. So quit backing the pretty boys, the stiff shirts and the pizza deliverers and get serious. Nominate Ron Paul to represent your party and all those ‘middle roaders’ will finally have some one to respect while a good portion of the donkey brigade will desert that rat infested ship. Either quit crowing that of all the crooked politicians, your party has the least amount but instead challenge the opposition with the real truth and the constitution or learn how to lose graciously.

  • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

    This is what one citizen who is pissed off can do.
    The Occupiers of Wall Street all around the country are pissed off.
    Change is coming

    When Molly Katchpole found out that Bank of America would charge $5 a month to use a debit card, she was upset — so she started a petition on Change.org.

    You signed her petition. Then 225,000 other people signed her petition. And now Bank of America is under enormous pressure to cancel its new debit card fee. A Bank of America executive even called Molly and told her that while cancelling the fee would be “premature,” the bank was “closely monitoring customer feedback.”

    • libertytrain

      Perhaps, but I heard on the news last night that they are now (Bank of America) is going to be charging more fees, for example online banking fees, etc etc…. what it needs is for people to simply change banks. That sends a larger message when done by thousands

      • JeffH

        Ah ha! The problem with that is that it is not the Marxist/communist/socilist/progressive way of doing business. It’s too clean!

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      The great thing about America is that we are free to make choices. Don’t like what one bank is doing switch to another. These Infest Wall Streeters should be raising Hell with their colleges for over-charging them for an inferior education. There are plenty of jobs out there for engineers and other techical skills. The Trades are crying for people. Corps. have to import engineers from India, China, and Pakistan. Not many jobs for music appreciation, women’s studies, or black history majors. As to the exhorbanat rates colleges charge don’t blame the banks for loaning you the money. Have they ever heard of the GI Bill ? Ihese protestors are basically a bunch of loafers and losers who want something for nothing. We’ve raised a generation of self-indulgent cry-babbies.

      Who were you with in Nam ? I was in L Co. 3/26 (67-68) Northern I Corps.
      Semper Fi

  • Thinking About

    I don’t know where Ringer stands in the 90/9/1 rankings, doubt it is the 1% bracket, this is a very serious matter. This has been predicted by those who look at the large picture and not through tunnel vision. The progresses are not always “kids” but also adults trying to take care of their families, willing to work and can’t get jobs or at wages which can not provide for their families. Talk about wealth redistribution, this is real, executives voting outrageous salaries just because they can. These same ones try to convince everyone they don’t deserve to even make minimal wages. When the annual reports comes out it appears the company is very generous to their employees but to average all salaries is not an indication of what the low employees makes.

  • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

    regular financial disclosure report Bob have never seen one of these on your site would be interested in were your money comes from

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    • Sam I am

      I could care less where Bob Livingston gets his money. All I know is he wins me over with his libertarian views and I keep comming back to this website.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear SMSgt Z retired Nam 68,

      The simple answer is; it’s none of your business. However, realizing that such a simple answer will spark all sorts of conspiratorial speculation, I will say that we earn it the old fashioned way: hard work. You will not be privy to our business model.

      We do not accept donations from anyone.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

  • john dough

    I agree 1000%.

    Could not have said it better.

    Hope 51% of voters wake up.

  • mike clum

    Hey, Ron,
    It’s not a “so called left wing”! On social issues, we probably agree. But, on fiscal issues, we are probably miles apart. We all want everyone to “get along” and have no poverty. I’m old enough to remember the “war on poverty” started by LBJ. After trillions of dollars, where are we??? “There are still many hungry kids. Why??????????????????????????????? Because the federal government & the beaurocrats are only concerned about their budgets, with no concern for the people that need our help, and they should be helping.
    It’ sad. We need to REALLY help these people…………not make them wards of the state, (slaves) Please do some reading and THINKING…………..so we may all help our fellow man.
    Mike

    • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

      In 1968 was 272,690,813 when LBJ War on Poverty was in full swing.
      As of mid 2011 our population is 311,800,000 differences of 39,109,197 citizens
      During those 43 years programs have been eliminated underfunded etc. Amazingly with all of the job loss during that time frame its is estimated that only about 13 million children go to bed hungry which is one to many
      The Citizens are waking up and they are or happy

      • Void1972

        SMS
        13 million American children go to bed hungry and good American democrats like Bill Gates, Ophra, Buffet and hundreds of other million and “billionaire” liberals, waste billions every year in Africa on a lost cause, while 13 million American children starve in the country where their wealth was created.
        Maybe the fleabaggers, should start beheading the same people that created them, as with the French revolution.

        • Peter

          So you obviously support welfare handouts for these American children and their parents…so where are those welfare handouts going to come from? Certainly not from the rich folks you mention. It will come from the same big government you say you oppose. Think before you post ignorant replies…or if you don’t want to think, perhaps it’s your head that should roll first?

          • Void1972

            Dearest peter
            If you read my post correctly, you would see i’m talking about charity, not raping our tax payers and social security for hand outs so the left can produce more illegitimate children and illegal aliens that will end up at the democratic voting booth.
            People like yourself that say you have no loyalty to any party usually have no loyalty to anybody or any country.
            Good luck in the upcoming battle, your going to need it!

  • Mike

    So if you had the ability to collect more (vs less) wealth in your portfolio or estate, why wouldn’t you?

    • SMSgt Z retired Nam 68

      A simple flat tax if you make a dollar you pay tax on said dollar no matter how you make it stocks, bonds, the sweat of work etc

  • 1776 again

    The MSM has joined the NEA in establishing socialist expectations of 4 generations of Americans. They have come to think this is “Democracy”, which unfortunately they were brainwashed to believe. They now also accept the idea that capitalism is the definition of our form of government , but they cannot see that this is NOT free enterprise, because they do not understand that we have a “managed economy” which is controlled by the Federal Reserve, a privately owned corporation, which has worked to create world government by controlling and creating “money” from nothing. They have worked since WWII to create a world financial system, with the goal of world government and billed as a “Peace” organization.

    John Maynard Keynes and Harry Dexter White, along with Alger Hiss (all communists) worked under FDR to create a United Nations, which in July,1944, before the War was over, at Bretton Woods, introduced the first steps, as the IMF and World Bank.

    We now find ourselves bankrupt due to their Fiat currency, which has no backing (no gold backing since 1971 and no silver coins since 1964, as our currency was specified in our constitution. Gold & silver are still constitutional money , but they have been replaced unconstitutionally with the original derivative, the FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE, which is counterfeit and DEBT money, illegal, unethical, and morally criminal according to our constitution’s founders.

    Our Federal Reserve and its owners have worked to create a financial system worldwide of this cartel of Central Bankers that are responsible for instituting a world of fiat Debt currency, which is the cause of the Fiscal crisis worldwide. The “Western world’s” (aka the FED)”Financiers” has made it possible for the politicians world wide to borrow and spend until the countries are are bankrupt. Since there is nothing but paper and two way bets known as derivatives made possible by these bankers with fiat currency, there is no lasting real value in “money”, as there was when your $ 20.00 paper (dollar) United States note was exchangeable for a real $ 20 dollar gold coin.

    This has made it possible for whole countries to go belly up and be loaned “money” by the IMF, which, in contrast to the supposed reason for its creation, only serves to control other countries that have bitten the poison apple of inflation. The IMF in turn, calls the note when the country no longer can pay back the “money” borrowed. That is the con game which enriches these Central bankers and their owners, all in control through their entanglements with the U.N., Bank of International Settlements (BIS) bureaucrasy etc..

    Unless someone calls their number like Ron Paul is doing, this Federal Reserve is going to place the U.S. in the same situation as Argentina has suffered through repeatedly. The more we run up our debt, the more these commies behind world government are getting ready for the kill, to add the U.S. and its population to their captured world population through the UN. (Communism is never about redistribution to the poor, but to redistribution to the controllers. The liberal of both parties have been the tools of the one worlders for a long time, and they have used control by fiat “money” to accomplish it.)

    It is obvious that Obama was hired to place the final nail in our coffin by the “power elite” of world government. He is running crazy instituting the dictates of the UN by the bureaucracy, czars, and Executive orders. Connect the dots, and learn to stop this takeover of our country, which is now happening on a daily basis and on a local basis through the U.N. NGO, ICLEI. Look it up on the net; it is going to control every action, every breath we take and what we eat, just for starters.

    • http://JOGYOURMIND Beaureguard

      Giveaway of our National Resources, Never Mentioned (Beaureguard) 19 June 2010

      De-regulation started by Reagan, helped by daddy Bush and Clinton then finished by the Bush-Halliburton Administration has caused our countries decline. Our National resources given away to a select few Americans in order to build our countries infrastructure was never meant to be free Statius. The ultra rich that were recipients of these gifts were taxed 91% of their income to pay back for the gifts of our national resources. Now they use the high tax excuse for all of our corporations moving to other countries. Now no one pays, we the people, the American taxpayer for our national resources. Coal, oil, gas, timber, steel and other minerals, to mention a few. No one mentions our highway systems, bridges and infrastructures built in the 1950’s and now badly needing restorations. Neglected due to the loss of taxes from 90% in the 50’s to 20% by Reagan. Now 17% since the Bush Tax Cuts. Coal used for the power plants to generate our electricity should be taxed by the income it produces for the Power Companies. In that way we, as citizens, should be paid for the coal used and the depletion of our national resources. That is the tax base we are now missing and the reason for the decline of our middle class.

      A choice was made in the 50s under the reign of President Truman and Eisenhower that our country would be better off with highways rather than a rail system. BIG MISTAKE, for our country and the common good but great for the OIL COMPAIES and the motor vehicle industry.
      This created a greater demand for personal transportation and cross country trucking that would insure that the oil would keep flowing. Unlike other countries relying on the railroads for their Nation Building our country was side railed for the benefit of the fascist rich who dominate today while our middle class become impoverished.

      Let’s take the railroads as an example. Between 1850 and 1870 over 129 million acres were given to 80 railroad companies. Each railroad was subsidized $16,000 per mile ($9,940/km) built over an easy grade, $32,000 per mile ($19,880/km) in the high plains, and $48,000 per mile ($29,830/km) in the mountains. To allow the railroads to raise additional money Congress provided additional assistance to the railroad companies in the form of land grants of federal lands. They were granted 400-foot right-of-ways plus ten square miles of land (for every ten sections) adjacent to the track for every mile of track built. To avoid a railroad monopoly on good land, the land was not given away in a continuous swath but in a “checkerboard” pattern This left Federal land in between that could be purchased from the government. The land grant railroads, received millions of acres of public land. Then sold bonds based on the value of the lands, sold the land to settlers, used the money to build their railroads, and contributed to a rapid settlement of the West. The race was on to see which railroad company could build the longest section of track and receive the most land and subsidy. So our national resources GO and they’re still GOING. Being given away to corporations that have their offices in other countries to avoid taxes.

      We’re still giving oil companies subsides for exploration of oil &gas Giving right offs for companies moving out of the USA and taking our jobs with them. Men like Warren Buffet realizes that our tax system should still be based on gifts given to the rich, our national resources. Mr. Buffet told us that his secretary was paying more income tax than he. That our manufacturing companies should come back to the USA, then he invested his money on China building wind turbines. That great GOD MAMMON still delegates’ greed even to Mr. Buffet.

  • bob wire

    ” Protests such as the Occupy movement are nothing new. Class warfare has been a fact of life throughout most of modern history.”

    It’s only warfare if someone is taking a stand and fighting back, otherwise it is simply called business as usual and still “a fact of life”.

    It’s almost comical how some sheepeople get simple facts twisted around.

    So how do you perceive the wealthy fighting back if class warfare is a fact of life? What do they have at their disposal to fight with? Do you really and truly believe that they need your help?

    There are many “facts of life” we learn as we march to our graves. Here is a few that I’ve learned along the way and willing to share while I’ll be stingy with others. ~ Why? because giving something away diminishes value and you would just pi$$ it away.

    1. Life can be sweet
    2. It’s made sweeter by money
    3. Nothing gets done unless something is in it for someone
    4. The only unconditional love you might ever find is a mothers love
    5. Do not ever expect people to share wealth for no reason
    6. You will be cut out of every deal where you are found unnecessary
    7. Never depend or expect consideration or benevolence from an un-leveraged position. It won’t happen. You must bring something to the party.
    8. Money does not talk, it screams
    9. Just the smell of money can start a riot among what you thought was level headed people, your friends and family.
    10.We are all born naked and then we put on the cloths

  • Ridge Runner

    I have been reading these comments for a long time and my old eyes are getting tired and i am going to lay down. Be fore i go i want to say that i don’t know what these people protesting wall street have in mind but they need to set down and do some serious thinking. The problem that we have now and have had for a long time is the people have sat on their asses and let these thiving rats(politicans)hijack our government for their on personal purposes.These damn thives are the real cause the country and our economy is in the shape it is in.These protesters need to clean up washington d.c. and if we can find some honest people to run our government then wall street will fall in line or drop in a hple.

  • Ridge Runner

    I will make the comment that we need to get out of the u.n.and get the u.n.out of the u.s. We need to tell all these people that we have been supporting and trying to help to either step up and take care of their self and shake our hand and be our friend or kiss our hind end. We don’t need to be sticking our nose into their affairs and keep their noses out of ours.

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    Oct 14, 2011 · ‘The Whole World Is Watching’: Occupy Wall Street Stares Down the NYPD … Ishaan Tharoor and Nate Rawlings Friday, Oct. 14, 2011

    http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2096976,00.html

  • http://www.savelakeatitlan.org Duende

    Oh for Christ’s sake. The right wingers on this group are indoctrinated fascists and the left wingers are just as clueless dupes of a communist movement that has been co-opted by elitists from way back. The same elitists who are behind and benefit from the fascists mentality. Robert Ringer’s just a well spoken tool of the elite establishment that screams communism every time someone wants a little more equity in a system that is so lopsided that if it were an ocean liner every one would be swimming for their lives (hmmmm.. strangely familiar analogy). This occupy WallStreet may have the vultures in the back ground waiting to co-op it or steer it in a certain direction but I’m suspecting there may be something growing from here that is bigger than even the very adept manipulators, facists or co-opted communist, are able to handle.

  • http://JOGYOURMIND Beaureguard

    You ask, “What are the demonstrations asking for?” REPLY, “OUR DEMOCRACY BACK FROM THE FASCISTS RULE”
    England, the Morgan Banks and the Financial Institutions in the USA all supporting Hitler and Mussolini in the 20′s & 30′s. Now 2011 the Fascists are in complete control again.
    Let’s call it like it is.
    The Fascist Plot, never mentioned by the news media, nor our history books.
    A plot to over-throw Roosevelt was joined by the wealthiest in our nation. The DuPont’s, Goodyear, Bethlehem Steel, J.P. Morgan Banks, The American Liberty League lead by Al Smith, former governor of New York. William Doyle, a former commander of the American Legion and the main plotter of the coup. John J. Raskob, a DuPont officer and former chairman of the Democratic Party who would later become a “Knight of the Malta,” a Roman Catholic Order. They picked General Smedley Butler, a war hero, to lead the coup and he pretended to go along until he had a chance to tell Congress.
    The wealthy finally reached their goal as fascists after the Reagan administration eliminated all of the protections given us by the New Deal. Continued by the Clinton bunch with NAFTA and worse yet by-lingual everything. As Fascists, out of control by greed, they still control our lives and they seem to have control over many of the populous. As Gerald MacGuire told General Butler, “You know the American people will swallow that. We have the newspapers.”
    Update 22 April 2010
    Now they have the entire News Media, Lobbyists‘, and the best Congress and Senate money can buy. Not to mention our Supreme Court that just made it possible for corporations to impose even more influence with their contributions to organizations that resist regulations, health care, global warming, raising taxes on the rich etc. etc.
     
     

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    Life is tough and it’s even tougher when you’re stupid. These Infest Wall Streeters should be camping out on the White House lawn and storming their own halls of acedamia. It’s their colleges that vastly overcharge them for a mediocre education that does little little to prepare them for the real world. It’s corporate “greed” that puts the clothes on their backs and the food in their stomachs. Its the corps. they hate that give them their cell phones, I Pads, Game Boys, and all the other electronic gizmos they’re addicted to. It’s corporations that employ their parents so they can pay these leeches four years of so called higher education. It’s these corporations that they will seek employment from when they finally grow up and try to get a job. It’s gvt. that will take away half of their earnings to fund social welfare programs for the under=achievers. These fleabaggers are just the dupes of their left wing educators and role models.

    • Questions

      gunner689: a tough monniker. Probably, just a coward pretending to be something he is not, like the name implies. There’s a war going on in Afghanistan, he should go.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        To answer your question as to my moniker; I am a 62 year old disabled vet. I served 7 yrs. in the Marine Corps ( 66 to 73 ) and spent two combat tours in Viet Nam as an infantry machine gunner, first tour and as a helo crew chief/door gunner on second tour. L Co. 3/26 and HMH 462 respectively. Thus the name gunner. 689 was the name of a hill battle where i recieved the first of my 3 Purple Hearts. As an aside my son spent 13 yrs. in the SEALS and 8 yrs. as a contractor in the middle-east. He also was a “gunner”. My father was a gunner on B-25s and B-17s during WW11. Grand Father was a Marine in WW1. Gunner must run in the family. I wish I was young enough and able enough to go to sand land but the Agent Orange has me pretty hard and I would only be a liability. I had more respect for the anti-war protestors during Nam than I do these Infest Wall Streeters. at least they had a cause which was to keep themselves out of the draft. These fleabaggers don’t know what they want. Now how about you Question ? Let’s hear your bio, if you have one, or do you still live in your parents basement and play with your Game Boy ?

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        As you will see you’re “proberly” wrong; proberly like you are about most things in life. Since you chose to attack the messanger rather than the message prepare to hang your head in shame, if you’re capable of it. No apology neccessary, I’ll just consider the source.

  • Questions

    Sounds a lot like the Bush years. If you disagreed, you most likely were called a rabble-rouser, traitor or communist.

  • socaldano

    Fox identified a major fundraiser/supplier to Occupy Wall street is our favorite “ACORN” branded under another name…they are even paying staffers to go to protest and carry signs……
    “who has been at the Occupy Wall Street protests from the beginning, volunteers the information that the former ACORN organization–through its new front group, New York Communities for Change–is paying $10 per hour and $100 per day to homeless people to attend the demonstrations.”

    • who cares

      socaldano are you a dumb ASS? everything coming from fox news are lies, lies for dummies, are you’ll (a) dummies. fox news is a Anti America agaist Americans under freedom speech they spill lies. What is your (any of you) response when someone has lied to you? probably nothing well thats what the G.O.P republicas and fox news have been doing to you all. gut filling and instinct is what you’ll lack of. fox and the g.o.p think verry little of you and know you are idiots. they don’t respect you.

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