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Supreme Court To Determine First Amendment Boundaries In Snyder v Phelps

October 7, 2010 by  

Supreme Court to determine First Amendment boundaries in Snyder v. PhelpsThe First Amendment will be the focus of a high-profile case that goes before the nation's highest court this week.

During the first week of the Supreme Court's 2010-2011 term, opening arguments were made in Snyder v Phelps. The court will determine if the freedom of speech and peaceful assembly rights protect a group of protesters who demonstrated near a fallen soldier's funeral in 2006. The soldier's father, Albert Snyder, is claiming emotional distress and believes that such protests should not be allowed.

The Phelps family of the Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kan., is known for picketing near military funerals, holding signs that have slogans such as "Thank God For Dead Soldiers." The family has expressed their conviction that God is punishing American soldiers because of the country's tolerance for homosexuality.

"A lot of people have an understandable visceral reaction against this speech, but the First Amendment often protects speech that is vile," Eugene Volokh, a professor at the UCLA School of Law wrote in a brief to the Supreme Court.

The court's newest term marks the debut of Justice Elena Kagan, who is one of three women on the nine-justice panel. Kagan, the former Solicitor General in the Justice Department, was nominated by President Barack Obama to the Supreme Court in March and sworn in on Aug. 7. During her confirmation process, she faced significant opposition from many conservative lawmakers who painted her as an activist judge with a liberal agenda. 

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  • dan az

    I really doubt that kagan will show up!Like half of the other cases pending that she says that she cant because of conflict of intrest!

    • HFlashman

      Jeesh….reading some of the posts here, somehow they are blaming Pres. Obama and the Dems for this ! How someone can be sick and twisted enough to do that is beyond me.

      The question is … no matter how disgusting the speech is, is it protected under the First Amendment? The Nazi’s marching through Skogie. The Klan marching through black neighborhoods and picketing black churches. Anti abortion nutcases picketing abortion clinics.
      The Communist Party and its slogans.

      Exceptions to the First are akin to ‘fighting words” and “public disrution’ … i.e standing up in a Black Panther meeting and yelling the “n’ word…or yelling ‘fire’ in a theatre. And there can be limitations…such as distance mandates (anti abortion protests and clinics)… but the test is very high for those exceptions as the First is viewed as one of the most sacred of the Bill of Rights.

      Any other curt I would say the speech will be found protected…but with this court, having 5 of them bought and paid for (see e.g. Bush v Gore; the most recent opinion giving unlimited money power to corporations and foreign interests in poicial campaigns; finding the UnPatriotic Act constitutional) … they just may begin to put the First on a slippery slope.

      These guys should be sent to a lunatic asylum if you ask me. And the hate speech they spout will undoubtdly lead to a riot. I’m surprised no one has taken a basebll bat to them as yet. The it will be interesting to see what occurs. Because the lawsuits over broken bones and busted noses will undoubtedly go against them …

      Protected speech? Yes.
      Should they be beaten with baseball bats? Yes.
      Should they prevail in any lawsuits recovering damages for being beaten with baseball bats? If I were sitting on that jury…I’d say they got what they were asking for, so why give them anything else….

      • Conservatives United

        Flash in the Pan. Some things of speech are constitutional, but that does not mean that we should same them. With all of our constitutional rights, go responsibilities. What the members of that church are doing is under the first amendment, but they are showing NO RESPECT for the fallen soldiers families, when they do this. The soldier whose funeral is at the base of this, was not a Homosexual. I agree with the premise, as the God does not condone Homosexuality and it is call it a sin in the Bible. We are too hate the sin, but love the person. This church needs to address the issue at places that are where the issue is.

        • HFlashman

          Without going into your homophobia … what was it I said that differs from your statement?

        • American Citizen

          It’s the “in your face” with their homosexuality that people don’t like. The members of that church are playing God as He is the only one who is to judge.

          • Robert Smith

            Hi American Citizen,

            You posted: >>>It’s the “in your face” with their homosexuality that people don’t like.<<>>The members of that church are playing God as He is the only one who is to judge.<<<

            Yup, and a whole bunch of christians are "in your face" with their religion, trying to claim America as if they are entitled to it.

            Goddess Bless America!

            Sound kinda familiar, but not exactly the same?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Remember rob, in 1889 the SCOTUS ruled that this nation is a christian nation so get over it. We are one nation, under God, and will always be that way now and forever will be that way. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            What case was that samurai?

            You seem to have a darth of references again.

            Rob

          • Denniso

            Free speech isn’t always guaranteed, but we have to be careful abou limiting it. I would prefer to see some of the vets who are trying to block the foul mouthed ‘protesters’ use some intimidation and maybe some minor physical force to send this pathetic little group of extremist ‘Christians’ running for home. How they can do what they do in a time of a family’s greatest grief is beyond me, and they think God is killing our soldiers because we tolerate gays? They are also idiots of the worst kind.

          • rwnut

            Robert Smith..It’s the U.S.Supreme Court, Church of the Holy Trinity v.U.S.,1892

          • Robert Smith

            Hi,

            I hear that the right doesn’t like “legislating from the bench.” But this case is one of the most abusive examples of such.

            Check this out from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Trinity_Church_v._United_States: “This case is cited most often for its determination of how legislative intent can be determined. Justice Antonin Scalia has denounced the Holy Trinity decision as the “prototypical case” in which a judge follows the intent of the legislature rather than the text of the statute, and thus as being in opposition to his judicial philosophy of textualism. The textualist position holds that courts should follow the text of a law rather than attempt to read exceptions into the law in accordance with the legislative intent. Scalia has thus criticized the principle of the Holy Trinity case as “nothing but an invitation to judicial lawmaking.”

            What part of “judicial lawmaking” do you want to discuss?

            Rob

  • s c

    The idea that God is punishing America’s military because of a tolerance of homosexuality makes a strong case for replacing breakfast cereal with Prozac. If Herr Obummer needed a sexual preference czar, Phelps would be at the top of the candidate list.
    People, life is too short for such crap. It truly takes all kinds, doesn’t it?

    • J.L.

      YOU truly are an ignoramus living a Godless, progressive lifestyle or perhaps any “church” you frequent is teaching the adherents false Gospel. It’s idiots like you who deserve to get excoriated over their one-sided views and NOT examine the EVIDENCE. Wake up, IDIOT!

      • s c

        JL, I have no idea what your problem is, but if you think I’m a useful idiot, retarded progressive, it’s because your head is jammed up your asterisk. If your twisted remark was aimed at Dan, he’ll probably respond in kind. Frankly, you sound like you woke up on the wrong side of the world, Einstein. Take your pills, and go @#^* yourself.

        • dan az

          sc
          This moron couldn’t be talking to me or you there isn’t enough light in his azz to read our comments so the regurgatation from his hole statement must of been for some one else dont you agree?

          • Denniso

            You guys are having a little trouble w/ a guy on your side who has gone off the wall…fun to see.

      • spike

        J.L.–
        Jesus would not have picketed a funeral. Gay or not. He and the disciples would have stayed away, or prayed for those involved. Death was respected in his day, and we need to respect it as well. I am a God fearing, God loving Christian. I cannot find anywhere in my bible where this kind of thing would have been condoned. God says homosexuality is indeed, an abomination in his eyes. He does not tell us to picket funerals under this pretext. Who says this poor dead soldier who died defending his country was gay, anyway? Who cares if he was or wasn’t. It’s between him and God.

        • http://lfo22456@juno.com Linda Odom

          I want to say AMEN to what Spike said. What Would Jesus Do is a good question to ask ourselves before we do anything that could bring shame and reproach on the CHURCH, which Jesus Christ hung on the cross,Giving His life for our sins to purchase by His blood.
          Picketing is being very disrespectable.

          • Robert Smith

            Hi Linda,

            You posted: >>>Jesus Christ hung on the cross,Giving His life for our sins to purchase by His blood.<<>>Picketing is being very disrespectable.<<<

            Please forward that thought to the thousands of "christians" picketing at women's health care centers around America.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Robert, take your atheism somewhere else. This is a christian nation. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Hey Samurai!

            How’s come you get to be “in your face” with your version of christanity but others aren’t allowed? Don’t you know that “in your face” isn’t appreciated and can be considered to be a violation of privacy?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Robert, if I was physically in your face you might have a point. Since this is a posting site, you statement doesn’t hold water. I remember once you said you went to church before, so what happened? Were you one of those people who was shot at in front of some so called clinic? Have I asked you any personal questions? No. The point here is that you are just a lib, gay loving, baby killing, left wing extremist who just can’t handle the truth. Are you starting to feel the heat yet? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Don’t believe in your version of “hell” samuari.

            Goddess Bless America

            Rob

          • Denniso

            Robert Smith is sane and civil, and Samurai goes beserk. This is not a Christian country, anymore than it’s a Jewish or Muslim or atheist country. There are more Christians here and that’s all.We are a pluralistic nation and diverse…also, there are many different brands of Christianity, many who won’t agree w/ much that you spout.

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry duhniso, but we were founded a christian nation and shall forever be such. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            From samurai: “we were founded a christian nation and shall forever be such. ”

            You really don’t understand America, do you samurai.

            The fact that there are a lot of christians is coincidental to what the Founding Fathers did.

            What part of “We the PEOPLE…” don’t you understand. Your god isn’t mentioned in the Constitution at all, but the PEOPLE are. Seems to me those guys were pretty clear.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry rob, but you really need to sit down and study our christian founding fathers more. I do agree that God isn’t mentioned in the Constitution, but if you ever read it you’ll see that they instilled their beliefs and faith in God in writing the document. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            From samurai: ” but if you ever read it you’ll see that they instilled their beliefs and faith in God in writing the document.”

            Really. Can you give us an example of how they offered their “faith” in the Constitution of the United States.

            And while you are at it, please explain that it starts out, “We the PEOPLE.”

            IOW, it is stated clearly that our government gets it’s power from the people not some god you are promoting.

            Rob

          • rwnut

            Robert Smith…Our country was built upon Judeo/Christian beleifs.Our laws are based upon Biblical law,taken directly from the Old and New Testaments.

          • rwnut

            Robert Smith…George Washington said,”See the wonderous works of Providence! The uncertainty of human things!” 1775.Webster’s dictionary defines Providence as”the benevolent guidance of God or nature…..(P) (Capital P)…God. They certainly gave Providence (GOD),credit for the founding.

          • Robert Smith

            George Washington grew hemp too. Will you allow that now?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry rob, but we both know that they grew hemp to make rope and not for smoking. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • DavidL

          I am a combat veteran who fought for our country, and I absolutely think what these protesters are doing is beyond disgusting. They even add insult to injury by “claiming” they are Christians. I, like many others, fought to protect our free speech and understand that it protects the speech we hate and not the speech we love. That needs no protection. The SC will probably support their free speech rights, and I’m okay with that. But I pray that they order these “Christians” and “men and women of God” to spew their mental illness at least a 1,000 yards away.

          • Robert Smith

            Hi DavidL,

            Posted: >>>I pray that they order these “Christians” and “men and women of God” to spew their mental illness at least a 1,000 yards away.<<<

            Would you please advocate the same for those other "christians" who are picketing women's health care facilities?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry Robert, but the government cannot interfere with a person’s freedom of speech or religion. Abortion is immoral and unethical, what part of this don’t you understand? Abortion isn’t even the subject at hand. They may have the right of free speech, but I think they need to respect veterans more. I agree with whoever posted that they need to stay a certain distance away from a funeral and not let it slip into something immoral. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Frim Samurai: >>>Abortion is immoral and unethical, what part of this don’t you understand? <<<

            What part of illegal vs. immoral don't you understand?

            This is AMERICA!

            Your religion doesn't rule.

            Goddess Bless America

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob, rob, rob, have we been dipping into the kool aid again? You say I don’t know the difference between immoral and illegal? They are the same, you moron! Laws are passed to keep people from acting in immoral and unethical ways. Stealing, killing, lying, etc., are not the right things to do in any society, ergo they set up laws against them. By the way, these laws are also part of the 10 Commandments. You know, what our christian founding fathers based our laws upon. Rob, you are so far out in left field that you’re standing in the parking lot. No one here is buying what you are selling, so just go home and stay there. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Thank goodness this is America. I don’t have to believe that your god is the only one. Of course, your “morality” insists that he is (self proclaimed and all that) but I just ain’t part of it, thus I don’t have to listen to him or you.

            As far as laws go… We have social contracts that work just fine in America that aren’t designed to make Americans subject to your god. It is simply a good idea and coincidental that stealing is bad in any society and your god has nothing to do with that fact.

            Goddess Bless America

            Rob

          • dan az

            Robert smith
            Are you a muslim? like your pal obumer that just wants to be the thorns of your aggression towards the good people here? Or are you just bored with your life and pissed off at any one that knows there is more to life then just this phisical body and is willing to give their soul to a higher spirit that loves all.Trust when I say your wasting your time hoping that you are going to a better life next time around if you dont believe there is more to why we are here.Time is running out faster than you want to believe so you had better make your peace before your end.

          • Denniso

            Robert Smith, your comments are good and civil and these guys can’t refrain from insults. They have shown themselves to be beyond hope for any rational thought and discussion. Thanks for your comments.

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry rob, but just being coincidental doesn’t hold water. Remember, these 10 Commandments have been around a lot longer than anything you have said in your posts. I will agree with you, there is no law that says you must be a christian. This is true, but if you know anything about our founding fathers, you’ll know that they beieved in God and based our founding on good solid christian principles. There was nothing liberal put into them. You libs today are very different from the days of our founding fathers. Today the libs believe in handouts, gays, killing babies, drugs, forcing healthcare down the throats of people who didn’t want it, and marxism. During our christian founding father’s days they believed in democracies and republics. Freedoms given to man by God, not this nonsense there is today. You only have to read there journals and look at history to know this. Get your facts straight before you post. You may not have to believe in God as I do, but sooner or later, you’ll really start feeling some heat. I guess you libs will be getting yours in the end sometime in the future (pun intended). FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            From samurai: “Remember, these 10 Commandments have been around a lot longer than anything you have said in your posts.”

            No samurai. There were prohibitions against murder long before the christina big ten. Stealing and lying have always been wrong.

            Let’s go through of the christian big ten and see how they apply in today’s world. Please consider this a protest against the oppression of some followers of that there christian god. Quite frankly I think may mortals have twisted them to support their own hate but that is a matter of opinion.

            Let’s go for the first one: “1 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me. ”

            You don’t need to pardon me for ignoring your dietie’s self appointed garbage that he is the king of gods. BTW, with the notion that “no other gods before ME” definately says to me that there are other gods, and goddesses. Even your “HE” recognizes them. Why can’t you samurai?

            So, neither I nor any other gods are obliged to kneel to your god’s demand to be his subjects.

            Goddess Bless America!

            Rob

          • Robert Smith

            Oh! And then there is this to consider…

            Those Egyptians of the time kept records of everything. Not just family trees but darn near each grain of wheat that went into bread and beer was documented.

            Yet, there are no records of a mass exit of Jews, and there wasn’t any mention of any loss to a river or sea trapping their soldgers.

            Kinda makes me wonder if the story has any historical fact at all.

            BTW, has anyone actually found any ruins for Soddom or Gamorah? I think some claims have been made along the lines of “this place might have been,” but there isn’t any proof, beyond a religious text.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob, I think you gave smoked too much of your pot and has rotted your brain. If it is documented in the Bible, then it is true. Actually, you moron, archeologists and historians have discovered the ruins of Sodom and Gomorrah in the 80′s-90′s timeframe. Also, all of our rights are given to us by God and not by men. Our christian founding fathers were inspired by God to the writing and text of the original document. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! We’ll be praying on you, rob!

          • Robert Smith

            From samurai: “Actually, you moron, archeologists and historians have discovered the ruins of Sodom and Gomorrah in the 80′s-90′s timeframe. ”

            Really! Got any proof? Or is it another wish like the alleged finding of Noa’s arc…

            Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            Actually, they did find Noah’s Ark on Mt. Ararat in Turkey. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            Sook Young claims the arc has been found! No surprise there. No proof. No suprprise there either. My guess is that it’s another of those “have faith and you shall see.”

            I don’t share Sook Young’s “faith.”

            Rob

          • rwnut

            Robert Smith…Google Archeology,Sodom and Gomorrah. The “Bible and Spade”,Summer 1999 (vol.12,No.3)from the Associates for Biblical Research announces,”The Discovery of the Sin Cities of Sodom and Gomorrah”. Conclusion: The author proposes that,”it is clear that the infamous cities of Sodom and Gomorrah have now been found”. You may visit their web site at, http://www.ChristianAnswers.net/abr/abrhome.html

          • Robert Smith

            Hmmmm, from that same organization that I suspect has an agenda, I found at http://www.biblearchaeology.org/post/2008/05/Has-Anyone-Discovered-Noahs-Ark.aspx: “Over the last two decades the search for Noah’s Ark has received international attention. Dozens of expeditions to the Ararat region of eastern Turkey, mostly by American Christian groups, have led to numerous claims – but no proof.”

            So, which article am I to believe?

            Ohhhhh, I get it! Is this one of those “faith” things?

            Rob

          • Robert Smith

            Spontanious eruptions of oil from and earthquate huh? How’s come there hasn’t been any contemporary evidence of such a thing occurring? Or was it just that once, maybe perpitrated by that there “loving” christian god that killed a couple of cities full of people.

            BTW, there were several other names used for the cities.

            Oh, and is Dr. David Livingston coincidentaly related to the same Livingston around this forum?

            Rob

        • Kate8

          Yeshua taught to abhor the sin while loving the sinner.

          • DavidL

            Hey Kate,
            I always enjoy your perspective. Thanks.

            David Long

          • http://naver samurai

            100% agree! Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Ohhhhhh Kate8… I see so much hate for President Obama around here. It kinda voids the idea of loving the sinner and hating the sin and all that. Understand that I do see that lack of christanity in many around here who claim to be christian.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Thank you for describing yourself to a “T”, rob. Here you claim all these things against christians, but haven’t proven yourself any better that these protestors at this persons funeral. Isn’t America great rob? Where we can talk about the one true God and don’t have to listen to your lib rhetoric and lies. Isn’t America great, rob? Where we can take people on illegal drugs, like you, and throw them in the slammer to make up for their sins. Isn’t America great, rob. Where we can pray anywhere we wish, protected by the 1st Amendment, even in front of these so called clinics. Isn’t America great, rob? Where WE THE PEOPLE want to get rid of the trash in Washington and are able to do this by voting. Ergo many revolutions aren’t needed to change the leadership. Isn’t America great, rob? Where many former pollsters for Bill Clinton predict that the Senate and Congress will be controlled by the patriots after November, not the cowards and traitors we have now. The list can go on for a long time, but I think you get the picture. You say you don’t kneel before God? Well, where do you kneel? In front of the porcelin throne? If you aren’t a christian, what is your religion/beliefs? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! By the way, answer my questions and the ones that Dan AZ asked you earlier.

          • Robert Smith

            asked by samurai: ” If you aren’t a christian, what is your religion/beliefs? ”

            I’m not accountable to you samurai.

            What the issue before us is that I DO NOT accept the notion that I must bend my knee to your, your god, or the god of anyone else. This is America where I can believe as I wish and not have to suffer an inquisition from over excited christians.

            Have a nice day, samurai. Goddess Bless America.

            Rob

          • rwnut

            “God And America”…There is no dissonance in these declarations. There is a universal language pervading them all,having one meaning;they affirm and re-affirm that this is a religious nation. These are not individual sayings,declarations of private persons:they are organic utterances;they speak the voice of the entire people….that “this is a Christian nation”. U.S. Supreme Court, Church of the Holy Trinity v. U.S., 1892

          • http://naver samurai

            Rwnut, good job and well said. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • rwnut

            samurai…Good to hear from you again Patriot.Take no loonie-left prisoners!When the knife is in(figuratively speaking of course)twist it!

          • Robert Smith

            “When the knife is in(figuratively speaking of course)twist it!”

            Thanks for another fine example of right wing “christanity” representing such an alleged loving god that drowns people and rains fire upon cities.

            Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            Only if they are being punished for their sins, Rob. Did you ever think that this president could be God’s punishment on this country for our many sins? Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • rwnut

            Rob…He’s God.He can do what He wants.

          • rwnut

            Rob…You’re welcom. Sometime,to communicate with a leftie,you have to descend to their mentality.

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob is just a ranting child of satan, who would like to see no christianity at all, many murdered babies, lots of rump rangers doing their thing in public, and this country being a marxist state. Don’t say it is the right to choose, because rwnut has already discredited your arguement on that item. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • Christ. Ward

    DON’T KILL THE MESSENGER!
    Sermon from Lloyd the Baptist
    Matthew 24:35-36
    “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth NO MAN, no, not the angels of heaven, but my FATHER ONLY”
    Matthew 25:13
    “Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the SON of man cometh”
    REMEMBER those two Bible quotes. I’ll get back to THAT later…

    I give thanks and praise to the Almighty GOD, the SON JESUS, and HOLY SPIRIT… I’ve just come back from my yearly Christmas pilgrimage into the Blood of Christ mountains. I walked out of the Sangre de Cristos with a MESSAGE from the SON. The LORD GOD ALMIGHTY is NOT happy…

    Search your hearts and minds for the faith to BELIEVE what I tell you is TRUE. The WRATH of GOD is about to come down on those that displease the LORD. I’m bring a WARNING for CHRISTIANS, heed the WORD of the LORD or be punished for your ignorance…

    I was baptized in HOLY SPIRIT and tell you NOW… the HOLY TRINITY is in NO WAY associated with ANY of the paranoid, delusional right-wing, moralists that congregate in America’s Evangelical Christian community. An angel of GOD, surrounded with the Holy Spirit, appeared to me near the mountain top at the Holy Hot Spring.

    A terrifying vision was revealed to me… the suffering and degradation of a whole generation of good Christians who were led astray by FALSE PROPHETS. Ohhh can one even imagine the PAINFUL scene of so many Christians being cast into HELL?
    (Lloyd weeping)

    Basically decent, hardworking Americans who were convinced that GOD was their good friend and JESUS their personal savior. Only to find out… to REALIZE they were supporting policies that came from satan himself. Holy delusions that actually fooled millions of church goers into a belief system that PRAYS FOR WAR while PRAYING AGAINST HEALTH CARE for fellow Americans and the least of their Brothers/Sisters. 47 million of them… JESUS was a healer, right?

    Christians allowed themselves to be turned away from Nature and this precious environment GOD created to meet ALL our needs. While their Corporate Masters used the air and water as SEWERS and ground to bury TOXIC WASTE… Pastors were taught to demonize or make fun of cultures that cherish Nature or the Sun. Science is sent to the back of the bus. So lost in their right-wing Christian vanity… they consider themselves more intelligent than the world’s top climate scientists.

    Instead of feeding the starving human beings of the world… Christians allowed their tax dollars to be used to PROVIDE WEAPONS instead. How dare you BELIEVE that JESUS was on the same side as the WAR PROFITEERS, ARMS DEALERS!

    JESUS says “…satan thrives on hatred, chaos, suffering, conflict, war, destroying nature, etc. and those who PROFIT from THAT are his followers”

    Back in the USA 40+MILLION Americans are struggling below the poverty level but Conservative Christian priorities are about tax cuts for the RICH and tax deductible status for churches connected to their Evangelical Associations. Listening to Pat Robertson speak out against Wall St. reform and regulation, one could get the idea these type Christians would have defended the “money changers” from JESUS.

    Charity is NOT for love’s sake but a MISSION to spread their warped belief system and hatred of gays/lesbians to the poor peoples of the world.

    JESUS says Christians are not using the good brain cells the FATHER blessed them with. They ignored Bible quotes above, while listening to authors of the FICTIONAL “Left Behind” books (OR John Nelson Darby) ARE YOU MORoNS CRAZY? Jumping for joy that the end is near and JESUS is on his way to take them to paradise in the clouds.

    The LORD GOD ALMIGHTY says Christians will be STOPPED before they give the Neo-Cons/Republican Party enough wealth and power to hurry along Armageddon. Only GOD knows the time of Revelations prophecies, those that tell you different are false prophets leading you on the PATH TO HELL! The WRATH of GOD will soon be upon you unless YOU REPENT! Show humility and ask forgiveness for your FOOLISHNESS, LOW GRADE THOUGHT PROCESSES and SINS of the past.

    After December 27, 2009 if you do not turn from the wicked ways… the very words from Christian mouths will be a plague on their daily lives. If they cast stones, they will be shown and exposed as hypocrites… If they curse their fellow man/woman the curse will come back at them. If they fail to look out for the poor, jobless, homeless, starving, physically/mentally ill or any other of the least of your brothers/sisters then fortunes will be lost and your children will know of these afflictions. If you teach hatred you shall become what you hate” (right Bishop Eddie Long)

    In the name of father GOD, JESUS and the HOLY SPIRIT… So it is written, so shall it be DONE! Through the blessed mercy of JESUS CHRIST you been given this WARNING and last chance… What you do with it is up to YOU!
    AMEN…
    End transmission: as posted on jinnbad.blogspot.com

    • Arizona 1070

      If there’s a true false prophet there’s no other than Christ.Ward himself. This jackazz demoncrap is spouting Obama’s agenda in the name of the Christian God.

      • HFlashman

        Hmmm….tell you what AZ….when you can call forward to me your god as to what his/her opinion is….then you can spout your religious claptrap as to what is ‘approved’ or not. Jeesh…. are you a founding member of the American Taliban or what ?

        • http://naver sook young

          This person will be easy to answer. Just open up your Bible and read it. Then you will have your answer to all your questions. Thank you.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai

        • Mike In MI

          Hey, Flash – Close your great coat and go flash somebody else.

          All a person has to do is open God’s Word and become familiar with it. Then, you have his “mind” about any question that comes up dealing with “all things that pertain unto life and godliness”. That allows one a pretty broad perspective on what God’s opinoin is. Then you get to choose whether or not you like it. He’s never compelled me to conform to anything – and lots of things are left up to us. But, those things seem to be ideas and fundamentals of a reasoned existence in which you have no interest…or part.
          But, you have that right today.
          What are you going to do when the imams confront you and demand to know your allegiance? You think you’re going to respond to them that way? If Obama gets his way you might well get to make that choice.

          • Robert Smith

            Mike says: “All a person has to do is open God’s Word and become familiar with it. ”

            I don’t see anything it the christian bible about abortion, and I certainly don’t see anything except vague references to homosexuality.

            Don’t steal is quite clear. No adultry, again quite clear. But there is nothing as clear for the big red meat issues about which some vote against their own self interest.

            I know someone who needs health care but she works as a temp. so she has no insurance. Yet she votes AGAINST her own interest because it’s a baaaaabeeee… I suspect her health issue may kill her before she gets to a doctor. Oh well, as dumb as I think it is it’s her choice.

            Rob

            Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            Sorry Robert, but you are so far from the truth about God’s word.
            Romans chapter 2 verses 26-28:

            “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections. For even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature.
            And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another. Men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
            And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient.”

            This means that since people didn’t believe in God, he let them go their own way and follow their desires instead of His will. It clearly states that a man and man, woman and woman relationship is unnatural, not how it is supposed to be, and is punishable by being cast into hades for all eternity.

            And as far as abortion:

            “Woe unto them that harm the innocent. For it would be better that a millweight was placed around their neck and they be cast into the sea. For this is a lesser punishment then the one God has waiting for them.”

            I think that the most innocent of people is a baby. It can’t support or defend itself against anyone. A good woman would never think about killing her child. Please try to find God and Jesus Robert, before it is too late for you. I’ll pray for you again tonight, Robert. I hope that one day you’ll see the light of God. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            From Sook Young: “Romans chapter 2 verses 26-28:”

            Actually that has to do with judgments of men by other men. Inserting any homosexual “interpritation” is not only a stretch but also contrary to any other explination of that part of Romans.

            The mame error is made by over enthusiastic bigots about Sodom & Gamorah. The moral of that story has to do with hospitality in a harsh desert environment, without any homosexual overtones until the extreme right got hold of it.

            BTW, I’m not personally interpriting the bible stuff you post. I simply google it and find out what more conventional christians who don’t have a hateful agenda against gays, etc. say about it.

            I was able to find a detailed discussion at: http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/romans/romans2.htm

            It might do you well to find out what more mainstream christians who aren’t driven by hate have to say.

            Rob

          • Mike In MI

            Robert – Sook Yung made a typo in referring to Romans 2. It should have been Romans 1. For a better idea about a fuller context I would start in 1: 21-32 (end of the chapter). The passage starts with people in a time when they knew God and Who He was (even today -is). They did not respect or glorify Him, weren’t thankful to Him as creator or provider. Then they became worthless in their religious reasonings. As a result they were (passive voice) acted upon by an outside agency which caused their minds to become stupid and without light (“darkened). In God’s eyes people are still in that sorry state today. v.22 – “Professing THEMSELVES to be really knowledgeable (scientific, smart, knowing), they became worthless, vanity personified. Then they started fashioning idols and worshipping other men, animals, birds (sun, moon, stars, other gods {devil spirits}).

            As a direct, although not necessarily immediate, result of that, from verse 24-32, they started practicing the most degraded and destructive acts they could imagine. What they happened was a cause and effect physical consequence because of the way God had set up the male and female physiology, brain and organ systems for procreation and family coherence. The receptive homo act ultimately hollows out the personality and conscience, leaving a functioning body under the control of God’s enemies. That is why they become filled with the inhuman, socio-pathological traits revealed in verses 29-31.
            So, if you’re in favor of those things you must admit to being just about the same as them. That’s how God says He sees it. Take it up with Him if you disagree – I ain’t the author.

          • Robert Smith

            Quite frankly I don’t care about Romans. I responded to what was presented because it wasn’t what it was posted as. IOW, I can expect “typos” now. Oh well.

            The FACT is that all Americans should be treated equally under law. Thus your bible babble doesn’t apply. Remember, there will be no state religion.

            Rob

          • rwnut

            Robert Smith…Anyone who doesn’t fall for your erroneous rantings is an over enthusiastic bigot.And in your over enthusiastic imagining,you want the true Christian to fall for the “main-stream”,”conventional”,twisted teaching that the”moral of Sodom and Gomorrah has to do with hospitality in a harsh desert environment”.Homosexual gibberish! Let’s see…one dude bends over and let’s another dude put it where the sun don’t shine,is “hospitality in a harsh desert environment”. That’s loonie-left,sick,HARSH HOSPITALITY IN ANY ENVIRONMENT YOU CHOOSE!

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Christ.Ward… Your post was interesting at the very least. However, from what I read, you are leaning towards the liberals. You made some good points. Intertwining liberal beliefs to demonize conservatives is insane. That’s why there is a right and wrong.

      Now… about this group of nuts thinking their free speech should be tolerated at gravesides of soldiers. Are you kidding me???? There should be consequences for such actions. How can anyone do what they are doing and think it is okay? Any death is hard on family members and friends. The disrespect they show towards the grieving survivors is not Christian, no matter what they claim they are. I would think this type of harassment should be stopped. This isn’t just a first amendment issue, it’s harassment at it’s worst!

      • Al Sieber

        Robin, good point I agree with you.

      • http://yahoo Robert

        If the Supreme Court decides to limit free speech, I’ll be the first to promote limiting the speech, of the Republicans gods Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, and O’Reilly.

        • clh

          Guess some people don’t want to know the REAL truth about what is happening. Robert must like the taste of sand in his mouth, sticking head in sand will do that. Also plugs the ears to the truth

          • http://yahoo Robert

            I’m not sticking my head in the sand, I’m saying I’ll fight, for freedom of speech, no matter how vile it is. When you limit it, your god Limbaugh, will be the first to suffer.

          • Kate8

            So, Robert, You think that the right to harrass in the name of free speech trumps a family’s right to a private, peaceful gathering to mourn their dead? What if it was YOUR family member being dishonored in this way?

            Being a lefty, I assume that you support ‘hate speech’ legislation.

            This incident is not about free speech. It crosses the line, being an intrusion on the family’s privacy and personal affairs. It disrupts their ability to exercise their own rights to life and liberty.

            We only have rights as long as they do not intrude on the rights of others. There is a difference between being ‘offensive’ and being ‘disruptive’.

          • http://naver samurai

            Robert is just ranting and shouldn’t be taken seriously.

        • Vigilant

          Robert:

          “If the Supreme Court decides to limit free speech, I’ll be the first to promote limiting the speech, of the Republicans gods Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, and O’Reilly.”

          Sorry, you cannot be the first. Your Communist buddies already arrived on the scene and threatened a return to the “Fairness Doctine,” which would limit the free speech of conservative talk radio/TV. The object? Well, I don’t think even a lefty could miss the point on that.

          How odd, how VERY odd, that the loudest proponents of free speech are the first ones to advocate limiting it.

          If you can’t see the hypocrisy of your position, then you need to take a course in logic (no, scratch that, such a course would be wasted on a lefty).

          • HFlashman

            Actually…the fairness Doctrine wouldn’t ‘limit’ the conservative trash n radio and TV. If you listen to your own rantings…the media is monopolized by liberals…so it would enhance the ability of Neo-Conservatives and the right wing wanna be Masters to spew the trash and lies of Limbaugh, Beck, etc.

          • Robert Smith

            Hey Vigilant!

            The Fairness Doctrine wouldn’t limit those loopy reich wing spuds (common taters). It would just make sure that their lies have a chance to be refuted with the truth.

            Rob

        • Robert Smith

          From Kate8: >>> It crosses the line, being an intrusion on the family’s privacy and personal affairs. It disrupts their ability to exercise their own rights to life and liberty.<<<

          And what about the woman going into a clinic? What about her privacy?

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            That’s not a privacy issue anymore, moron. The issue has morl, ethical, legal, and government issues tied to it. Ergo, it is not just a privacy issue. Why don’t you go to one of those clinics and view the whole procedure. I’ll bet you’ll chang your little mind after that. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Kate8

            R S – Not all conservatives stand in front of abortion clinics.

            While, perhaps, personally opposed to the murder of the unborn, most of us don’t harrass those who choose to do it.

            From what I’ve seen, liberals are more horrified by the drowning of newborn puppies than the brutal slaughter of human babies.

            I am horrified by both.

          • Robert Smith

            From Kate8: “While, perhaps, personally opposed to the murder of the unborn, most of us don’t harrass those who choose to do it.”

            “Murder” is a legal term. Abortion is a medical procedure and legal in America. If you wish to use “murder” it is understood to be your RELIGIOUS perspective, and in America we don’t kneel to anyone’s god but the one(s) we might choose to.

            Rob

          • dan az

            Robert
            You apparently have an issue with the right to kill the unborn was it from experiance of your own child to be? Did you have people their trying to explain to you that You where making a mistake in the eyes of God that disturbed you so much? What exactly is it that you feel now? Hurt,the pain from killing your own baby? We cant help you now you made your own choice and you now will have to live with that for the rest of your life.So please ask God to forgive you not us!

          • http://naver sook young

            I kneel to our God everyday when I pray. Robert, you seem to be a lonely and bitter man. I’ll pray for you tonight when I go to my Bible study group. I’ll ask God and Jesus to try to have you see the light and save your sould from damnation. I’ll also pray over the postings you have on this site. How can someone who says he’s a patriot have something against the Lord God Almighty? More people have been freed by believing in God and not in anything else. Prayer does wonders, so why don’t you start? I have one you can use:

            하늘에 계신 우리 아버지여, 이름이 기록히 여김을 받으시오며, 나라이 임하옵시며,
            뜻이 하늘에서 이룬 것같이 땅에서도 이루어지이다. 오늘날 우리에게 일용할 양식을 주옵시고, 우리가 우리에게 죄지은 자를 사하여 준 것같이 우리 죄를 사하여주옵시고, 우리를 시험에 들게 하지 마옵시고, 다만 악에서 구하옵소서. 대게 나라와 권세와 영광이 아버지게 영원히 있사옵나이다. 아멘. Matthew chapter 6 verses 9-13

            This is the Lord’s Prayer. If you start of with this one and go back to church, then your life will really start improving. Have a good weekend.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Kate8

            Robert, How is it that you deem the slaughter of the unborn, or in-process-of-being born, not murder?

            Because your eugenicist gods said so? Because prior to the progressive/eugenics movement, it was ALWAYS considered murder.

            Saying something over and over, to justify it in your own mind and conscience, does not make it true.

          • http://naver sook young

            I agree with you Kate8. I geuss you were right from before, they don’t really know anything, do they? Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

            Kate8, what would have to be done in this country to not have abortions in this country?

          • Robert Smith

            Question asked: “what would have to be done in this country to not have abortions in this country?”

            Certainly they can be greatly reduced.

            First would be a comprehensive AGE APPROPRIATE sex education system in schools so kids know what really is going on.

            Birth control should be easily available to kids without embarassment. Young adults need condoms to prevent pregnancy and disease. They not need oven mitts to keep them from sexual activity.

            Young women need to know they don’t “owe” anyone sex under any circumstances. They should know that they can participate only when they want.

            BTW, do you realize that with sex education and supplying condoms and teaching about the pill that Planned Parenthood has prevented more pregnancies and thus abortions, than any other organization on the planet?

            Rob

          • Kate8

            Sook, I suppose what would have to be done is the same as what has to be done for every other evil in America: throw out the current crop of godless, immoral vermin running things and install men and women of moral character, conscience and faith.

            Easier said than done, I know. Unfortunately, we have so many in America who think like Robert Smith, who love the reckless indulgences of the flesh with no accountability, want to silence any and all who would question their judgement, and think that is what freedom is about.

            I would say what we most need right now is PRAYER. All of us who love God need to BECOME that which we would have America be. God can change the hearts and minds of anyone, even the Robert Smiths, Barack Obamas and Nancy Pelosis of the world. And those who would continue to mock Him will eventually have to take it up with Him, I suppose.

            There are many of us around. We just need to know the power we have in unison and alignment with Creator.

            No doubt RS will have some smug, smart remark here, but it will be as meaningless to us as the rest of his sorry diatribe. I can only read just so much from him, as his posts make me weep for my country.

            Godspeed.

          • Robert Smith

            “I would say what we most need right now is PRAYER.”

            Clue: You don’t need to prey on me for your religion.

            It appears to be so selfish that you get more from your god for it.

            How’s that for a smart remark? Oh, and it’s true.

            Rob

          • rwnut

            Robert Smith..She’s not going into a “clinic”for a cold,loonie. We beleive,as does God,that she is going into a “clinic” for a man-made,legalized murder.

          • Robert Smith

            Really!

            “We beleive,as does God,that she is going into a “clinic” for a man-made,legalized murder.”

            YOU BELIEVE. It is part of your RELIGION. In America we have no state religion, thus your “belifs” do not apply.

            And! “Murder” is a legal term and in America abortion is NOT illegal.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            No matter how you try to spin it rob, it’s still killing another human being, moron! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • s c

          R, I’ll send you a check, and you can buy some common sense. Then, you can say for the first time in your life that you actually have some.
          In case no one in your family or your friends ever told you, R, you have some serious reality issues.
          That mind-altering drug you take every day is morphing your brain and turning it into silly putty.

        • Robert Smith

          From Kate8: “This incident is not about free speech. It crosses the line, being an intrusion on the family’s privacy and personal affairs. It disrupts their ability to exercise their own rights to life and liberty.”

          That same intrusion into a family’s privacy and personal affairs occurs every day at clinics with alleged self appointed “christians” harassing women going into clinics.

          Remember, who decides what the violation is? Those doing the organized “protesting” (or preying as so many claim) or the victim?

          Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            I think you have worn out the subject about these “clinics”. If you haven’t noticed, no one is paying you any attention. I really feel sorry for you. One who says he knows better than God, but is only going to hades. If you really care about these women, then you would try to stop them and give them the information they need on alternative choices, like adoption. I’ll pray for you again tonight and pray over your postings. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            From Sook Young: “I’ll pray for you again tonight ”

            It’s your time, you can spend it as you wish. Quite frankly I have no interest in what you do with it.

            It is my sincere wish that over zealous christians would recognize that others don’t want to spend their time participating in your beliefs though.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            I don’t think rob believes in anything, except himself. This may be why he has no one to back him up on this site. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            From samurai: “I don’t think rob believes in anything, except himself.”

            Well samurai, you are entitled to “think” what you want. But, as has been proven many times what you “think” is often wrong. I can state for an absolute fact that I know what I believe in and I can guarantee it goes way beyond myself.

            Psssst… Clue samurai: You can’t refute what I know with what you “think.” It’s simply a cheap tactic on this forum to spew more misinformation about someone who doesn’t bend a knee to your god.

            samurai concludes: “This may be why he has no one to back him up on this site.”

            I don’t “need” anyone to back me up. It’s that simple. I don’t travel with a pack of jackels to employ crude tactics over substance.

            Rob

          • rwnut

            Robert Smith…plenty of “others” spend their time participating and ACCEPTING our (God’s)beleif’s. Who died and made you God? What about the “others”,who had no hope for their guilt after having an abortion,except for the forgiveness of Jesus Christ? BTW,I don’t beleive for one minute that you sincerely wish that “over-zealous Christians would recognize that “others” don’t want to spend their time participating in our (God’s) beleif. I beleive,and you have,in no uncertain terms,that you wish God (note the large G),the Bible (the Word of God) Christianity,and truth were made null and void.

      • barbmiller

        we are supposed to be standing up for our constitution. bad taste? yep. poor judgement? oh, yes. but if you let them take away one person’s right to free speech, you set a precedent for taking away other’s.

        • JeffH

          barbmiller, yep!

      • Robert Smith

        From Robin: >>>Now… about this group of nuts thinking their free speech should be tolerated at gravesides of soldiers. Are you kidding me???? There should be consequences for such actions.<<<

        May I paraphrase a bit? Thank you…

        Now… about this group of nuts thinking their free speech should be tolerated at clinics where women are going for treatment. Are you kidding me???? There should be consequences for such actions.

        That's about right. Get the point?

        Rob

        • Robin, Arcadia, IN

          Robert Smith… Women at clinics? This is grieving survivors. They are mourning the loss of someone who gave their life for their God and country… What on earth are dragging into this blog?

          • http://naver samurai

            Robert doesn’t support anything but gay lovers, baby killers, and libs. Rob, just be quiet and stick with the subject at hand. If I was at a funeral for a family member and some people were causing a scene, it wouldn’t take long for the rest of the family to make them leave. They may have their freedom of speech, but you shouldn’t present yourself in an immoral and unethical way. God and Jesus wouldn’t approve of this groups actions at someone’s funeral and neither would I. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Robin, what I’ve brought to this forum that is discussing free speech and the excesseves of the ripe rev. phelps AND the antics of thousands who protest at clinics.

            I don’t expect those right wing extremists who spend their time sniffing around to see who’s pregnant and who isn’t and then do their darndest to make sure they stay pregnant to understand that they are as offensive to most Americans as Phelps is.

            It is particularly offensive at clinics because so many killings of doctors have been inspired.

            Don’t you think it’s wrong to inspire murder?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Well rob, the same thing could be said about planned parenthood and naral, moron! Don’t you think that they have been responsible for the more the 50 million murders of children? I remember once you kept talking about the Hyde Amendment and how the fed couldn’t sponsor abortion, well they are sponsoring it. Did you know that under Obama bin Laden they have received tons of money from the fed? This would be a violation of this act, would it not? Does this also mean that Obama bin Laden is inciting many more women and these phony doctors to commit murder? I suggest that you get your facts straight before you post and cite your sources. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            From samuari: “Don’t you think that they have been responsible for the more the 50 million murders of children?”

            Nope, murder is a legal term. Abortion is legal in America. Further, you don’t get to shove your religion into the discussion and claim America should follow (sponsor) your religion. Ain’t America GREAT!

            Again more from samuari: ” I remember once you kept talking about the Hyde Amendment and how the fed couldn’t sponsor abortion, well they are sponsoring it.”

            If you think something is wrong sue. It’s that simple. Doesn’t your church have any lawyers in it? Oops, they’ve tried and lost over the years. Oh well, that’s America for you! You don’t get to shove your religion on anyone else.

            samuari you really should learn the correct name of the President of the United States of America. He was chosen by the people. Too bad you don’t respect that. I’ve watched the hypocracy from the right as they want to have states’ rights, except when folks VOTE twice for something like assisted suicide in Oregon, or medical pot. Yup, no respect for Americans from the extreme right. Too bad, it’s rather pleasent in America when we aren’t hounded by extremists like phelps and you.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob, always with the illegal drugs, murdering of babies, being opposed to God, and the ways of looney liberalism. Can you bring something else to these site then the same lib rhetoric and confusion? As a matter of fact, you were the one who kept trying to talk about the Hyde Amendment. Why do you lie about it now? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            From samurai: “As a matter of fact, you were the one who kept trying to talk about the Hyde Amendment. Why do you lie about it now?”

            Didn’t lie about it. The Hyde Amendment is still in place. Remember, that’s the one that denies federal funding for most abortions. I’m optimistic that you wouldn’t want to see a woman killed by a pregnancy, would you samurai? It gets particularly interesting if when the woman dies so does the fetus. So, why do you apparently scream “anti-abortion” in all cases? Looks to me such advocates that women will DIE. That isn’t pro-life.

            Why don’t you get your facts correct instead of posting empty rhetoric and sloganeering?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob, you really need to look in the mirror when giving these remarks.

        • rwnut

          As Hussein O.would say,The Audacity!All this time we thought the women were carrying a live,human-being,baby inside them. And all this time we thought they were killing a live,human-being,baby.Robert finally sets things straight.These women are ill and they’re just going to the “clinic” for “treatment”.That’s what Nazi Germany called murder too,”treatment”. Step right into the “clinic” ladies,and have a “shower”. You’ll feel much cleaner”.

          • Robert Smith

            rwnut says: “All this time we thought the women were carrying a live,human-being,baby inside them.”

            You may think what you want. Others in America think differently. For being different you offer insults.

            Fine christian attitude, IMO (not).

            Rob

          • Kate8

            RS, The only real insults I see here are coming from you.

            Why is it so important to you to mock another’s beliefs? It seems that you just can’t wait to pounce on every word, being as belittling and ridiculing as possible.

            I doubt anyone here cares at all what you believe. Why do you care what anyone else believes? Everything you accuse others of doing here, you do worse.

            You are a real a**hole.

          • Robert Smith

            ” Why do you care what anyone else believes? ”

            I don’t care what anyone else believes. What I care about is when othere try to IMPOSE their beliefs outside their own religion.

            IOW, in your religion you can not have as many abortions as you don’t want to have. Outside your group your wishes DO NOT APPLY.

            Remember, this is America where there will be no state religion.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry rob, but the freedom to choose and free will mean do you believe in God yes or no. It’s just that simple. Go peddle your lies about this country and the Constitution somewhere else, because we aren’t buying your load of crap! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • rwnut

          Robert Smith…Would you please tell me what these women are being “treated” for in these “clinics”?

          • rwnut

            Robert Smith…Tell me exactly where I insulted you.You’re right,I may think what I want,and I think it’s the truth that insults you.Sorry about that,Little Miss Feelings,but it’s a matter of life and death.(No,actually I’m not sorry about that)And you’re right to think what YOU want,also. Let me paraphrase you.Thank you. “It’s something some guy left inside her,that she didn’t want inside her”.Sorry about their “difficult times,but They’ve made their bed,now they have to sleep in it.Murder may be a “legal term”,and abortion may be “legal in most states”,but that sure as hell doesn’t make it right in God’s eye’s. Oops,there’s that truth thing again!

          • rwnut

            Kate8 ..With Rob it’s simply a loonie,left-wing,liberal tactic.(And Don’t forget what Michael Savage said.”Liberalism IS a mental disorder”. They can’t refute that God’s word is the truth,so the first thing out of their mouth is a denial,or racist,or bigot,etc.To Rob it’s all about what he hates,which is anything that has to do with God.

          • rwnut

            Robert Smith says…”others in America think differently”. You are very correct Rob. But the truth of God’s Word say’s,”There is a way which seemeth right unto a man,but the end thereof are the ways of death”. Ooops,there’s that truth thing again.

          • http://naver samurai

            I love it rwnut. Let’s keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            “but that sure as hell doesn’t make it right in God’s eye’s”

            So? Not everyone cares about your god. In America there is no state religion.

            Please keep your relition to yourself when others tell you to keep it away from them.

            Rob

          • Robert Smith

            “They can’t refute that God’s word is the truth,”

            To you. I don’t care. It isn’t “truth” to me. It’s simply another collection of parables, some of which are interesting, but not something anyone, except those who choose, are bound to. That is particularly true in America where freedom should be respected and there will be no state religion.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            We’re not institutiing a state religion, moron! If someone says what they believe or what it says in the Bible is their right to do and not the creation of a state religion. I guess my wife will have to continue praying for you. Sh’e been doing this for almost a week now. Are you starting to feel the heat yet, rob? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • spike

      CHrist.Ward-
      Satan masqueraded as an angel of light-in fact, he was an angel of light, and I think you have been deluded by him. God IS MY GOD, AND JESUS IS MY PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR. I’VE read the book, and I read the book. And I’m not going to be thrown into the lake of fire, because I seek God in my daily life, and do my best to live by his commands. the most important commandment: “love your neighbor as you love yourself” has NOT ONE BLESSED THING TO DO WITH HEALTHCARE. It has not one BLESSED THING TO DO WITH BANKRUPTING THIS COUNTRY. I would say: you neo nazi pretender to be Christian wanna be, but that wouldn’t be Christian, so won’t.

      • 45caliber

        I’ve got a feeling that there are going to be a number of people at the Judgement who are going to be shocked. I just plan to do my best as a Christian now to not be one of them.

        • HFlashman

          45 ..I agree a number will be shocked. When they find out the dogma they lived by was false, and they could have had a realllly good time instead of guilt ridden and critical of others for not following ‘the Scripture’ (whatever that means). Me? I don’t plan on being one of those “shocked’ …

          • 45caliber

            I’d much rather have my sort of fun and believe there is a God than have “fun” all the time.

            If I’m wrong, no big deal. I haven’t really missed much.

            If you’re wrong, you’ll be screaming for eternity.

            I’ll take my choice.

          • Robin from Arcadia, IN

            HFlashman… After reading your posts for quite some time, I am not surprised that you wont be shocked. You still have time to turn this around. I already know I will be in the non smoking section and it sounds like you are okay with being in the smoking section. Your body is gonna die; all of us will die. However, your soul lives forever. You only have this chance while you are on earth, walking, talking, and breathing to make your decision to confess your sin, ask for forgiveness and follow Jesus. This opportunity has an expiration date, so I think you should consider the consequences seriously. The day is not far off when every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord! You will not have a choice.

          • HFlashman

            Robin….That’s your belief. Mine is very different…I believe mine is correct. You believe yours is correct. That is what makes this nation such a great one…there is no religion viewed as ‘correct’ and as such there is no one telling us what to believe.

            So when someone states this is a ‘christian” nation…it destroys the bedrock which helps enhance its greatness. Right? You can freely choose to belong to your cult…and I can freely choose not to.

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry flashman, but we were founded on solid christian principles by christian founding fathers. Anyone who says otherwise is just a left wing extremist. If you say there is no God, then it makes me wonder if you are a muslim. Are you a muslim? Something big must have happened to you for you not to believe in the true God. The Judeo Christian God. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            From samurai: ” Anyone who says otherwise is just a left wing extremist.”

            Nope. America was founded with common sense.

            What part of, “We the PEOPLE…” don’t you understand.

            AGAIN I’ll ask: Can you point out any quotes from the christian bible in the Constitution of the United States?

            You demand answers (that I have repeatedly responded to) yet you have none. Thanks for the clear example of rant over common sense, samurai.

            Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            If you read an earlier post, my husband already answered that question. What do you have against Christians, God, Jesus, and the Bible? Why do you think that a woman has the right to murder her baby, instead of raiding it as a woman is supposed to do? Can you answer my questions without being bullheaded and full of foul language?
            Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            Awwwwww… Another inquisition from Sook Young. Let’s watch!

            “If you read an earlier post, my husband already answered that question.”

            Actually he didn’t. There are no direct quotes from the christian bible in the Constitution of the United states. It’s very clear that the Founding Fathers put their faith (as they began the document with “‘We the PEOPLE…”) in the PEOPLE of the United States.

            More asked: “What do you have against Christians,”

            Not all “christians.” Just those who falsly claim America as their own playground so they can buy their ticket to their heaven (as you admitted, you get more from your god by involving me). I wan’t no part of your religion but for your own gain you seem to be intent upon drawing me in.

            Again more: “God, Jesus, and the Bible?”

            Not participating in that religion. See that at the end of the sentence? It is a “.”. Period. Why can’t you respect that in a free America? Others are allowed to choose and shouldn’t be hounded by those with a self interest.

            “Why do you think that a woman has the right to murder her baby,”

            I don’t and I’ve never said that. Please quit making stuff up about what I post. What I have said, and will continue to say is: If a woman doesn’t have control of her own body how can she be free in America?

            BTW, “murder” is your term. It is a legal term and it doesn’t generally apply to abortion in America.

            “Can you answer my questions without being bullheaded”

            ROFL “bullheaded.” Good one Sook! The fact is that it is I who have my own set of values, religion, and demand the rights given to me by the Founding Fathers. Please remember that I am one of the PEOPLE, and I claim not to be an instrument of any particular god. It is some christians who insist that THEIR path is the one and only and that all others must change to their bondage.

            “and full of foul language?”

            Very few explatives come off of this keyboard. What comes out are IDEAS that some who are entrenched in their spewing beliefs don’t want to hear. All I’m doing is explainin how others see screeching do gooders who are doing so so THEY can get a seat at the front of the bus to their heaven. I choose not to pay for their tickets. If they persist then they are trying to take something for their gain from me against my will. I resist that thievery.

            Rob

      • http://none Mike

        Such HATE FILLED words spewing from the moth of a man of god where would I find Hipocery in that. Not only read the word of god rightly divide it and bach your scriptures with others in the bible dont just thump it on one verse. I am of the opinion that these people are convictable under verbal and mental harassment charges. At the very least they dont deserve the attention they get in the media for spouting hate at every turn My god is a god of firey vengance but also one of greate love . The only unforciveable sin is to deny christe or does that verse have no meaning Yours truly Mike

        • http://none Mike

          Sorry for the typos I get a little hot under the collar when I see hate disgusied as religon.

          • Robert Smith

            Hi Mike,

            Posted: >>>Sorry for the typos I get a little hot under the collar when I see hate disgusied as religon.<<<

            I know exactly how you feel.

            Rob

    • alpha-lemming

      A tithe (I wish it was this low) from the end of a gun barrel “called government” is not alms to the poor. Government is those “money changers” on steroids… using your (NOT their) contribution to fund/enable all kinds of abominations.

    • clh

      You are a big part of the problem. When OSama leaves office and gets sent back to Kenya, you can carry his luggage

    • EltonJ

      hmm . . .
      That doesn’t sound like the Christ I know. The Christ I know is unhappy with his own, yes thats true. But he tends to warn people about what to do to survive the coming crisis as well as pronounce judgment. Where are your warnings and what we should do to prepare?

      I pretty much know that making Government our Master over ourselves isn’t in Christ’s plan. What Christ are you listening to?

  • Stephen

    Wow Ward. at first blush I thought you might be one of those war mongering Christians.
    You are right. Nature was intended to provide all our needs and it is very disturbing how people destroy it for false profits . I am deeply troubled by politicians that promote things like GMO’s and neurological toxins in our water like fluoride. Or the prohibition of helpful herbs like cannabis. Is Cannabis the cure for cancer?

    Phelps is from our town and his signs are not pretty. One thing reassuring about seeing them is it is a sign that one freedom still exists. Freedom of speech. Freedom to be rude. I often have wished he would have picked a different amendment to protect or destroy depending on how the court rules. It would be nice to be secure in our person and place from search and seizure.
    There is a mistake in the article. Fred is delusional around the idea the solders deaths are a pay back for the pipe bomb planted at their church some years ago.
    Forty years back I was very impressed by the idea Fred went on a 40 day fast for a better understanding of the Lord. I am disappointed this is where it has lead.

    • Craig

      Freedom of speech as intended by the founders, was about political speech. What this low life scum Phelps is doing is not about political speech. It is about trying to start a fight so they can sue whoever does the right thing by kicking their arses.

      If they had a real issue with the government then they need to take their protests to the government, not a private funeral. A funeral has nothing to do with government.

      Now if I had my way I would gather up as many nasty stinky bums I could find. Load them up with beer, burritos, cabbage, deviled eggs and broccoli beef the night before. Drive them down to the protest tell them to get next to a protester and be as rude and obnoxious, fart and piss on those scum Phelps a-holes.

      • 45caliber

        The real problem is that they have the right to be obnoxius at solemn occasions while the others do NOT have the right to respond. It is exactly like flag burning.

        However, a federal judge in Washington ruled that a person has the right to burn a flag as a protest – and that others have the right to stop him from doing it. The next morning a young man tried to burn a flag on the steps of that courthouse to prove he could. Someone else knocked him down and put out the flag. He complained about being knocked down – but I haven’t heard of anyone burning one since.

        • DavidL

          45caliber,
          Is waving the flag protected free speech? Then burning it is also. Of course, it better be your own flag and on your own property. If not, there can be other ordinances that can get you into trouble.

        • Robert Smith

          From 45: >>>The real problem is that they have the right to be obnoxius at solemn occasions while the others do NOT have the right to respond. It is exactly like flag burning.<<<

          The real problem is that christians have the right to be obnoxius at solem ocasions, like a woman going into a clinic to see her doctor, while the others do NOT have the right to respond.

          Seems the rules are for some christians, but not all.

          Rob

          • Robin, Arcadia, IN

            Robert Smith… What are you trying to say in a ‘clouded’ sort of way? You are not comparing apples to apples here Robert. And don’t expect too many on this blog to agree with you!

          • http://naver samurai

            Quit comparing christianity with the killing of babies! They are not the same, so get over it! Speaking of abortion, the question should be why didn’t your mother have one and trow you out in the trash?

          • Robert Smith

            Robin says: >>>You are not comparing apples to apples…<<<

            What part of "obnoxioux protesting" don't you get?

            Who sets the standard for bothering someone else? Certainly it is very nasty to disrupt the funeral of our heros. But what about a young woman who is having a difficult time in her life? Is it really necessary to call her a "murderer"?

            The point being missed is that it is the VICTIM who is being bothered and the protester doesn't get to set the standard.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry rob, but if a woman is pregnant she has certain responsibilities to take care of that child. What she wants to do for her lifestyle takes a back seat. It’s called being mature and taking responsibility. Many women get abortion, not because they are having a difficult time, but because they don’t want to take responsibility nor do they want to stop their partying, etc. As I posted earlier, on a different thread, there is legislation going on that will greatly reduce the number of abortions across the country. If a woman is pregnant, she is supposed to have the child. If she can’t take care of the child, then let someone adopt the child. Let the child have a chance to grow up and be somebody. Abortion is murder, plain and simple. It’s the taking of an innocent life, no other way to say it. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! We’re even winning the fight again abortion too, rob!

          • Robert Smith

            From samurai: ” If a woman is pregnant, she is supposed to have the child.”

            Nope. She doesn’t have to take orders from you, your god, or anyone else.

            Ain’t FREEDOM in America great! Too bad there are so many working to take it away in reproductive issues, in recreational issues, and in who gets to live and die with health care availability.

            Phooy on your brand of “christanity.” Pro-life is a lie as long as anyone in America is dying because of denial of health care.

            Rob

          • dan az

            Samurai
            I think I know what his problem is and I stated a reply to him farther up I would like to see his reply to me check it out.

          • http://naver samurai

            Robert, you are only half a human being. You are alive on the outside, but are very much dead on the inside. As long as there are laws against some things you do, get over it! Abortion is muder, plain and simple, so get over it. No nation in the world is as free as we are true, but no nation gives its citizens total freedom. This breeds the kind of chaos and confusion you left wing extremists want in this country. Also, why haven’t you answered dan az and the questions he asked you? Such a moronic fool. From now on, I’ll never answer your drivel, but I’ll let my wife, whose father is a pastor pray and lay hands upon you. Matbe one day you’ll see the light. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://naver sook young

            We may have freedoms in this country, but this doesn’t mean we can just do anything we want. We are supposed to live by the Bible and the ways of God and Jesus. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            From whoever… Although I don’t do inquisitions I’ll offer some answers: “You apparently have an issue with the right to kill the unborn”

            No, I have an issue with women being able to decide what THEY want to do with THEIR bodies in America where although some religions are opposed to medical procedures THEY ARE LEGAL.

            “was it from experiance of your own child to be?”

            No. My position is from long though about what freedom means in America. If Americans aren’t allowed to control their own bodies because some christian nannies want to impose their religion upon others WE ARE NOT FREE.

            “Did you have people their trying to explain to you that You where making a mistake in the eyes of God that disturbed you so much?”

            As you might be able to tell: I don’t allow some christians (or any others) go get into my face like phelps and his crummy ilk. I am making no “mistakes”. It’s that simple. I don’t buy into the abusive christianity from the right wing.

            “What exactly is it that you feel now?”

            Sadness that there are those in America who just refuse to understand what freedom is. If they profess that their god will judge others LET THAT GOD DO IT. Don’t try to play god. If he’s (their version) there I suggest you turn to your own behavior and not try to deny others. In fact a case can be made that your god wants Americans to have freedom so folks can exercise the free will he has granted. Who are you to stand in the way of that there christian god’s wishes?

            “Hurt,the pain from killing your own baby?”

            Your perspective, not mine. You have absolutely zero right to speak for me.

            “We cant help you now you made your own choice and you now will have to live with that for the rest of your life.So please ask God to forgive you not us!”

            Piffel… I don’t care about you or your god so your attempt at emotion just doesn’t wash.

            Goddess Bless America!

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            I think it is about time for you to wave the white flag, rob. You are outnumbered, outclassed, and cannot seem to cope with things here. Please go home. You say America is great because of illegal drugs, killing babies, etc? If your parents were alive now, they would slap you upside your head and ask what is your mental malfunction. These issue were instituted by the libs and not patriotic Americans, so get over it. We were not founded on “if it feels good, do it” mentality. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            samurai asks: ” You say America is great because of illegal drugs, killing babies, etc? ”

            Bzzzzz WRONG samurai. I say what makes America great is the ability to CHOOSE to do things without nannies from some narrow interpritations of their religion messing with others.

            If that there christian god gave human beings free choice why do you deny humanity? Seems to me like you are tryint to play god.

            Goddess Bless America

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry rob, but you just really don’t know what America is about. You’ve got your head so far up your arse that you just can’t see the big picture.

          • rwnut

            So,”having a difficult time in one’s life is an excuse to murder”.

          • Robert Smith

            “So,”having a difficult time in one’s life is an excuse to murder”.”

            Nope. “MURDER” is a legal term. In America abortion is pretty much legal.

            BTW, going to a clinic for an abortion or any other reason is a difficult time for women. For them to be harassed by over enthusiastic right wing zealots just seems evil to me, but that’s clearly my opinion. I imagine that you think preying on women is just ducky.

            BTW, if you are using “murder” in a religious context then the American Taliban, oops the right wing christians, can use that, but it is simply a religious thing at that point and as I’m sure as has been pointed out many times before our Constitution forbids a state religion.

            Goddess Bless America!

            Rob

            Rob

          • rwnut

            Robert Smith….In the Bible,the “free will” and “freedom to choose”,that you’re attempting to distort and take out of context,is the doctrine of free will and the freedom to choose “TO SERVE GOD,OR NOT”. You’re simply saying that you beleive in a woman’s “free will” to choose to murder a living,unborn baby.And something “legal” doesn’t make it “right”.

          • rwnut

            Robert Smith…You may piss on some people’s back and call it rain,but as Michael Savage said,”You ain’t pissing on my back and calling it rain”.

          • Robert Smith

            “as Michael Savage said,”

            The gospel according to Michael Savage. That’s a new one. I’ve listened to him on the radio and he sounds to me like another reich wing nut.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Can’t you say anything but the same old rant? If fighting to save the lives of innocent babies and doing what is right in the eyes of God and Jesus makes me an American terrorist, then so be it. The woman is responsible for herself being in that condition and she should take the responsibility that goes along with it. No such thing as it being a mistake and try to get rid of it. Not in this Christian nation. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Vigilant

        Craig:

        Certainly a novel approach to civil disobedience, and funny as well!

        However, you said, “Freedom of speech as intended by the founders, was about political speech.”

        Afraid I have to take issue with you on that. The Founders never intended (and that’s why they didn’t qualify the words of the First Amendment) that only political speech be unabridged.

        Political parties didn’t even exist at the time of the ratification (Federalist and Antifederalist were poltical points of view, but not parties per se). The party system, to the detriment of the new Republic, was devised toward the end of Washington’s 2nd term, and the resultant level of libelous and slanderous comments exceeded even what we know in politics today.

        Adam’s was pushed by the Federalists into signing the Alien & Sedition acts, which limited free speech, thereby guaranteeing that Jefferson would be elected by an outraged populace who saw the slippery slope such an action would have enabled.

        I, too, think the protestors are scum with no sense of decency, but I’ll wager the SCOTUS upholds their First Amendment rights. The best solution is a local one, whereby an ordinance could be crafted to read like a restraining order. A buffer zone of, say, 1000 yards, might do the trick.

        • Robert Smith

          From Vigilant: >>>A buffer zone of, say, 1000 yards, might do the trick.<<<

          Will you advocate the same for women's health care clinics?

          Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            You must be a very little and lonely man. You keep talking about a woman going to a “clinic” to have an abortion. Do you know what a woman really goes through before and after this procedure? Many women go through post pardem depression, in which some of them even commit suicide because of it. Gee, how is this a good thing? Where I’m from, if you get pregnant you take care of your child. If you are willing to have sex and get pregnant, then you are willing to take care of your child. Plain and simple. Who are you to say these things which make you look like an imbicile? If you don’t want a child, then keep yourself sex free till you get married. this is the way of God, Jesus, and a good christian woman would do things this way. Please tell me why you are so ignorant and don’t really understand what you are saying? I read in the Bible, with my husband: “Woe unto them that harm the innocent. For it would be better that a millstone be placed around their neck and they be cast into the sea.” I hope you understand what I’m trying to say to you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            From sook: >>>Do you know what a woman really goes through before and after this procedure?<<>> Many women go through post pardem depression, in which some of them even commit suicide because of it.<<>>If you are willing to have sex and get pregnant, then you are willing to take care of your child. <<>>If you don’t want a child, then keep yourself sex free till you get married. this is the way of God, Jesus, and a good christian woman would do things this way.<<>> Please tell me why you are so ignorant and don’t really understand what you are saying?<<<
            .
            I'm not "ignorant." I simply don't go along with christians who use the bible to justify their own bigotry and hate. BTW, have you ever heard of "Catholics for a free choice?"

            Rob

          • Vigilant

            “From Vigilant: >>>A buffer zone of, say, 1000 yards, might do the trick.<<<

            "Will you advocate the same for women's health care clinics?"

            Certainly.

          • http://naver sook young

            Sorry, but I’m not Catholic and do not know that group. But I do know that killing someone who can’t defend themselves is wrong. God created a woman (Eve) to marry a man, have children, and work in the ways that God had set for us to do. It is true that I wasn’t born in this country, but where I’m from you have the child and take care of it. If you can’t, then there are many adoption agencies that will find the child a good, loving home. My husband told me that many liberal Americans stopped being freedom fighters and started being comfort lovers. Abortion isn’t fighting for freedom, it is nothing more than thinking about your own comforts and not thinking the way a woman should think. A good Christian woman would never even think about doing something like abortion. You still sound like a very little person and I shall not respond to someone who is obviously a child of the devil.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Kate8

            sook young, you are implying that people should accept responsibility for their choices and actions.

            Accountability is something liberals can’t grasp. To them, abortion is just another form of birth control. How dare anyone suggest that they show any constraint in their sex practices.

            They will, however, insist that we all chip in to help pay for their abortions. Either that, or pay for the care of their offspring.

          • Robert Smith

            I find it astounding how Kate8 would dare to put words into the mouths of others. You have to be making it up because the reasons women have abortions are as varied as the women who have them. Each and all are for their own personal reasons and we have no right to question what goes on between them and their doctor.

            Shame on you for claiming to be an American and take privacy away from women.

            Goddess Bless America!

            Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            Thank you Kate8. I have given birth to 4 good children and never thought about killing any of them. Rob seems to think that this is an issue of my faith in God and Jesus, wee he is wrong. Many of my relatives are atheists and buddists and they don’t believe in it either. Rob, since they are not believers in the one true God does what you say count to them also? Or is it just that I’m a Christian and you are not, so you try to attack us whenever you can? Like I posted before, I’ll pray about every entry you made here and ask God and Jesus to straighten out your misguided life. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            From sook young: ” Like I posted before, I’ll pray about every entry you made here and ask God and Jesus to straighten out your misguided life. Thank you.”

            I find it sad that you feel a need to interfear in my life to get your ticket punched for your heaven.

            Keep in mind that this is America and I can screw up in the eyes of your god all I want and it means nothing to anyone except for your own selfish efforts.

            Let us go and pay attention to your own life rather than attempting to deny us the free choice your god has allegedly given us.

            Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            I do pray for myself, but if we only care about ourselves and our selfish desires we get nothing in return from God and Jesus. Caring about and helping those not close to you gets more rewards from God then just thinking about yourself. You seem so empty inside. If a person on the inside is filled with darkness, then great is that darkness. If a person is filled with evil and God and Jesus are not in him, then great is the damnation that person faces in the end. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            From sook young: “Caring about and helping those not close to you gets more rewards from God then just thinking about yourself.”

            So it’s GREED that gets you more from your god that drives you to try and mess in my life.

            Now it is clear to me how selfish your brand of christanity is.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            I think you’ve been smoking too much pot. How is wanting to help others being greedy? Such a moron! Helping others is giving, only wanting to help yourself is greedy. Get your facts straight before you post! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            I’ll let your wife answer that one, samurai.

            From sook young: “Caring about and helping those not close to you gets more rewards from God then just thinking about yourself.”

            What about “more rewards” don’t you get?

            As I’ve explained, I don’t feel I owe you anything and you can’t take from me to get a more rewards in your religion. I choose not to give. Why do you try to steal?

            Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            Robert, you are a lost soul. How is being rewarded by God stealing from someone? It isn’t, but having an abortion is stealing. It’s taking the life of someone away from them. How would you like it if your wife had an abortion, how would you feel? My husband is correct about people like you. You only care about yourself, hate others, and are a child of satan. You always say how we are forcing our faith on you, I’m not. I just state how I feel and believe. If your are different, that’s fine. I remember studying the Constitution and it says that what I post here is my right to do. No one, not you, my husband, the president, no one can tell me otherwise. I have the right to talk about God, the Bible, Christianity as much as I want to, but you don’t have the right to personally attack someone. You say that all these people saying bad things here are all Christians? This I do not know, but I do know that if you believe all of the things you say, in the guise of “choice” then you are nothing but a liar and a thief. You believe in stealing hope and faith away from people, because you are just too ignorant to have a personal relationship with God and Jesus. You will probably go to hades when you die, so you try to take as many as you can with you. Such a person is not a good American. You try to wrap up everything in the American Flag, well you don’t have that right. As far as I’m concerned, you are just one of those “cowards and traitors” that my husband always talks about. You are just an ignorant child compared to other people on this site. Many people here are different beliefs, both religiously and politically, and I always try to answer them rationally. You, on the other hand, are no better than an inflamed boil on the buttocks of this country and it is about time someone lanced you. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            ” How would you like it if your wife had an abortion, how would you feel?”

            Done that, been there thirty years ago. We were in the process of divorcing at the time. It was her decision and I respected it. Either way it would have been OK with me. Thirty years later we still chat every few years. I’ve remarried and she is alone except for her dogs.

            Why would it make any difference to you?

            Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            My husband would fight to the end to protect our children, but you didn’t want to protect your own child? You are the worst kind of coward there is. I think the reason you let her do it is because you just didn’t want to pay child support. I guess your money was more important to you than your child. I guess that’s what happens when you worship false gods. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

    • s c

      Stephen, I understand that the VA is very close to Phelps’ “church.” The odds are very good that LOTS of vets could get together in a hurry and show Phelps and his crowd the same ‘respect’ that they show deceased veterans. ‘Respect’ works BOTH ways. It seems safe to say that Phelps isn’t prepared for (and can’t handle) free speech that’s aimed in HIS direction.

    • spike

      Ahah!! A cannabus supporter parading as someone who agrees with a Christian. Yes, God did provide in nature natural cures for everything. However, if pot was a cure CURE for anything, why are all these a**holes smoking it for their own selfish pleasure? and getting high off of it. POSER.

      • Robert Smith

        Form spike: >>>However, if pot was a cure CURE for anything, why are all these a**holes smoking it for their own selfish pleasure? and getting high off of it. <<<

        Because it feels good, spike. It's that simple.

        Do you feel good taking wine and bread in your ritualistic canabalism eating your savior? Before you go nuts please look up "transubstantiation". It can be found at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiation

        BTW, why do you object to another who gets pleasure that has absolutely no impact upon you?

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          Rob, you are a moron! First, what part of illegal don’t you understand? Second, people usually do drug because they are not mature nor strong enough to handle life. Third, you are talking about communion. Since you have been to church before, where do you see people eating meat in the sanctuary? The body and blood of Christ, symbolized by bread and wine or grape juice, is supposed to be just that. Symbols of our savior Jesus. I really feel sorry for you, moron! My wife was right, you are a little and lonely man. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            from samurai: >>>First, what part of illegal don’t you understand?<<<

            What part of medical pot don't YOU understand? Is it the fact that medicine makes folks feel good? Is it the part where it was VOTED on and passed in over a dozen states?

            From samurai: people usually do drug because they are not mature nor strong enough to handle life.

            Or, it just feels good. BTW the exact thing can be said about religion: people usually do religion because they arenot mature nor strong enough to handle life.

            from samurai: you are talking about communion. Since you have been to church before, where do you see people eating meat in the sanctuary?

            What is the definition of transsubstancian, samurai? Others don't have to "believe" for the participants to believe, or are you suggesting that eating the savior just isn't real? How much else isn't real?

            Samurai says, "The body and blood of Christ, symbolized by bread and wine or grape juice, is supposed to be just that. Symbols of our savior Jesus."

            Nope, it's that transsubstancian thing. It's supposed to be REAL. Or, are YOU making up religion now?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry moron, but this country wasn’t founded on “if it feels good, do it.” This is the wacko beliefs of the left wing extremist that we have today. Nothing but cowards and traitors! I believe if it is illegal, immoral, or unethical, no American has the right to do these things under our Constitution. You say “because it feels good?” Well, what if a man raped a woman and felt good afterward, does this mean he should do it because it feels good?

          • Robert Smith

            samuari asks: “Well, what if a man raped a woman and felt good afterward, does this mean he should do it because it feels good?”

            Absolutely not, but I can’t speak for you. In fact as I’ve previously pointed out: Anyone who uses a woman’s reproductive organs without her permission, or anyone who helps another rape her, is guilty of rape.

            So, I presume you are the one who can better answer how it feels to want the power of rape over women.

            Goddess Bless America

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry rob, you moron! I’ve never done anything bad to a woman in my life. I really do feel sorry for the one you married. Her life must be a living hell.

          • Robert Smith

            From samurai who claims: “I’ve never done anything bad to a woman in my life…”

            Really? I guess it’s a matter of perspective but advocating a 9 month rape seems to me to be pretty bad. I’ve always heard and belived that when a woman says “get out” for any reason that’s the end of the activity. SHE is the one who decides who gets and stays inside of her. If she hasn’t decided to keep someone inside there and she is forced to continue to have someone inside her it sure looks like rape to me.

            Of course I don’t expect you to take responsibility for your advocacy but the courts are full of guys to have tried to be in or remain in women against what the woman wants.

            Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            Who are you to say who is a rapist and who isn’t? The baby is innocent and not responsible for anything, but itself. You must really have a closed little mind. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

        • rwnut

          Robert Smith…There you go again,out of context. Now you’re trying to persuade us that the problems caused by those high on weed doesn’t impact others.(I’m sure that’s not because of your greed for weed) What about those that have committed murder,robbed and raped,then tell the investigators that,”I don’t remember anything,I was just getting high,I don’t know what happened”. Robert Smith says…”Because it feels good,spike.It’s that simple”. To many people,it’s also deadly. It’s that simple,Rob.

          • rwnut

            Robert Smith…Your problem is,you’re just to full of loonie,leftwing gibberish.Or maybe it’s the weed.That stuff can make your mind wander sometimes,you know.So I’ve been told and come to beleive.

          • http://naver samurai

            I think Rob has left the building.

          • rwnut

            samurai….FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          “Who are you to say who is a rapist and who isn’t? ”

          I don’t say.

          The woman who is the incubator who says. If she wants it she is carrying the potential to be her offspring. If she doesn’t want it then she is facing horror until it is gone.

          Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            Sorry, but you are wrong! If a woman is raped, whether is gets pregnant or not, has to live with the memories of that for the rest of her life. Your statement is misleading and void of all truth. Please try to be more than a child of satan. You’re beginning to bore us. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

  • JimH

    Just because you have the right, doesn’t always make it right. If you have a cause and you want to convince others to see your point of view, you present the facts and reason why others should agree and support you. When you get publicity by making others angry,you hinder your cause.

    • Dagney

      Exactly right. Freedom of speech does not guarantee you freedom FROM the consequences of that speech. Try yelling “FIRE” in a crowded theater and see what happens. Most of these issues are SO simple. The left loves to complicate and confuse, don’t they? LOL. It’s their stock in trade. Look at the big picture and simplify, simplify and you will see how 2,000 page bills and most of these issues brought to the Supreme Court are really meant to pull the wool over people’s eyes and nothing else.

      • Vigilant

        Dagney:

        “Exactly right. Freedom of speech does not guarantee you freedom FROM the consequences of that speech. Try yelling “FIRE” in a crowded theater and see what happens.”

        Not quite the whole picture. Freedom of speech, via the criminal codes of every state, guarantees you the right to have redress in a court of law for injuries sustained as a direct result of exercising that freedom, and beimg harmed by someone who doesn’t agree with you.

        Afraid you misinterpreted Justice Holmes famous statement about yelling “fire” in a crowded theater. He said freedom of speech does NOT entail the right to do such.

    • Robert Smith

      From JimH: >>> When you get publicity by making others angry,you hinder your cause.<<<

      They why are clinics still protested? Lots of folks are angry at that. MOF, Phelps hasn't killed anyone yet. Doctors have been killed at clinics. Dr. Gunn comes to mind. BTW, his wife won the suit in which a local minister had to pay up because he inspired the murder.

      Again, has Phelps killed anyone yet?

      Rob

      • Jim H.

        Robert Smith, Those (doctors?) being killed hinders the cause. How can you claim to be pro-life by killing people? I am against mothers having their unborn sons and daughters killed, but I don’t condone abortionists being killed to protest it. Phelps hasn’t killed anyone yet and I pray one of the mourners doesn’t get angry enough to go after him. My point is he isn’t helping his cause the way he is going about getting attention, just like the person who CLAIMS to be pro-life won’t help get support for his or her cause by killing.

        • Robert Smith

          Hi Jim H. You ask: >>> How can you claim to be pro-life by killing people?<<<

          Ohhhhh, I don't know. How about those christians who claim to be "pro-life" but who are advocating that 8,000,000 million people do without adaquate health care?

          Seems to me, and I ain't an expert in lexicon but… Isn't pro-life supposed to be pro-life?

          Rob

          • Jim H.

            RS, Who said 8,000,000 people should go without health care? I guess you don’t need that health care if you kill them before they’re born.

          • Craig

            If they are not smart enough or ambitious enough to get a job to be able to afford health care they get what they deserve. Not my job to give the lazy or stupid health insurance. If you want to help them so much set up a charity. Americans are the most charitable people on this planet (well not the liberals).

          • http://naver samurai

            Robert has drank too much kool aid and is feeling the buzz right now. Pro life is about protecting unborn children, not about uninsured people. Tell them to go out and get a job, then they can afford it. Try getting yourself to pull your head out of from where it is now. You are a classic example of a person with the disease called cranial rectumitis. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://naver sook young

            Here is what I think we can do to solve the abortion problem:

            1. Close all od these “clinics”. Being a nurse I know they aren’t really clinics.
            2. Every doctor that performs these ungodly acts should have their license to practice pulled and have them sent to jail.
            3. Make abortion illegal in this country.

            These are just some simple solutions to these ungodly acts.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

        • HFlashman

          Samuarai…your view is the ‘unborn children’ view…no problem. Then don’t have an abortion. There are other views which have just as much legitimacy as yours. if you don’t like it…who the hel* are you to insist your religious mores are correct and theirs is wrong? Who the hel* made you ‘god for the day’ on that subject?

          Interfering with a woman’s choice is sinful. That’s a fact Sparky. Live with it…or don’t. Not my problem. It becomes my problem when you try to insist your view is the correct one when i know it is not. You want to live where it is illegal? Go to live with the Taliban….you’d enjoy it.

          • Jim H.

            flash, At what point does a baby get protection under the law. When it is born, to kill it is murder. Does a person need a belly button to be protected by law? Unborn baby’s are being killed under the name of choice. You say if your against abortion just don’t have one. That reasoning just doesn’t hold water. I just don’t rape either, but if I witness one I will do my best to stop it. All it takes for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing. Make no mistake abortion IS evil.

          • Jim H.

            You compare people who want to protect the most innocent and helpless humans there are from being killed to the Taliban? Really?

          • Robert Smith

            Jim H asks: ” At what point does a baby get protection under the law. ”

            When it is born.

            In fact the huge majority of abortions occur during the first trimester. Most folks see only the potential for a “human being” at that point. Potential is NOT actuality no matter how loud the noise is from any pulpit.

            Later abortions are most often for health reasons. Quite frankly I think it’s immoral to keep a woman pregnant if she doesn’t want to be if she is in any danger whatsoever. But, that’s my opinion, your mileage may vary.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Flushman, could you please cite your source on that? I’ve never heard that getting someone to change their mind for the better was sinful. Just another lib rant. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://naver sook young

            HFlashman, we are not saying that you have to believe like we do. My husband and I are just saying how we believe and what it says in the Bible. We never said you had to do the same. If you are not a Christian, that’s your belief. If you have a different set of beliefs, that is fine for you. But you and Robert have to understand that by telling people not to talk about God, Jesus, don’t pray for me, are examples of you two infringing on our rights of speech and religion. If I want to sincerely pray for someone, why should that bother you? I know there are people out there who claim to be Christian and are not, but don’t say we are all the same. When I first came to this country in 1990, I had people calling me whore, monkey, etc., just because I was from Korea. You and Robert saying these things about us is the same thing, but you are attacking our faith and not our race. If you can’t as a gentleman should act to a lady, then we have nothing more to say to each other. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            Posted: “you and Robert have to understand that by telling people not to talk about God, Jesus, don’t pray for me, are examples of you two infringing on our rights of speech and religion.”

            In America you don’t get to FORCE your religion upon another. Sure seems kinda perverted to me that you feel that others owe you their participation in your religion even if we don’t want to or don’t know.

            By your own admission you get more from your god by involving others, even against their will. That is so selfish.

            Nobody is denying you the right to your religion. What is being denied, and rightfully so, is that you involve others who don’t want to participate.

            IOW, keep it to yourself when someone says they don’t want you using them for your religion.

            Rob

          • Kate8

            Sook, It’s a waste of time and energy to get into debates with the likes of RobertSmith or Flash. They just get off on taunting and baiting. By responding to their insolence we are just giving them exactly what they are after.

            We all can account only for ourselves. We all reap as we have sown, sooner or later.

            God knows what is in our hearts. None of us can hide, no matter how we might try. These folks are incapable of understanding what you say, as they have no love in them.

          • Robert Smith

            “These folks are incapable of understanding what you say, as they have no love in them.”

            Why do you make stuff up?

            Rob

          • Kate8

            Whatever you say, Robert.

            Your own words speak for themselves. You are a mean spirited piece of work.

          • Robert Smith

            “You are a mean spirited piece of work.”

            ROFL… “mean spirited” is forcing someone to remain pregnant against her will, not giving her a choice.

            Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            If she didn’t get herself that way in the first place, she wouldn’t have that problem. Can you make a logical arguement and not these vague statements that bring nothing to the table? Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

      • Vigilant

        When Jefferson paraphrased Locke in the Declaration of Independence, he included life itself as amongst the most basic of natural rights. I’ve not found anything that says health care is a natural right.

        • Robert Smith

          Vigilant claims: >>> I’ve not found anything that says health care is a natural right.<<<

          When people DIE because they can't get simple health care that can be made generally available I consider that to be murder by those who don't support health care for the worst reason of all, GREED.

          I know, you will yammer all day to force a woman into the slavery of incubating a "baaaaaybeeee" you demand be born, but she may not share your views.

          If you don't want an abortion don't have one. America is far better than China where an abortion is encouraged. Just think, if you give someone like Bush control over women's bodies it will be possible for a Clinton or Obama to give it back to them.

          Or maybe with your totalitarian version of the American Taliban you would like to see some Americans not breeding.

          Rob

  • Soldier

    In my quick opinion, I think the the Westboro baptist church should be allowed to protest as they wish, provided they don’t obstruct, engage in violence, etc., but at an “appropriate distance” from the funeral. This would be to balance the free speech of the westboro baptist church with the “free speech” of the priest giving a benediction for a funeral. If the group is being extrmely obnoxious in such a way as to significantly disrupt the funeral, you could argue that they are blocking out the free speech rights of the funeral personnel. Heck, if they were loud enough, you could argue that they are engaging in physical violence through hearing damage, and it could be considered assualt.

    Imagine if you were protesting near a bank on a public street, holding a sign, and someone employed by the bank drowns you out by just blaring a blow horn right near your ears to drown you out. At the very least, you could argue that the blow horn blower is taking away your right to free speech by drowning out your voice in the same way a murderer takes away your right to life. You might even argue physical assault through hearing damage if the blow horn loud enough.

    I understand perfectly the need to protect speech most find offensive. That is the kind of speech that must be protected: that which you hate. They must be allowed to protest and say that the military deserved to die if that is what they wish to communicate, but if they are too close to the funeral and drowning out the benediction by the priest, I dont think that is right. If they are standing calmly holding signs and not yelling during the benedicition, then they must be allowed as close as possible, even if someone might be under emotional distress.

  • Robert S

    Although I don’t agree with the protesters the constitution gives the the right to protest.

  • jb80538

    Freedom of speach is protected hoiwever harassment is still illegal. Phelps’ groups actions are pretty much harassment and I hope the SC rules that way. Phelps has said tha tregardless of the ruling, they will continue to do their “protests” Someday I believe their protests may turn violent. Then unfortunately, one of a grieving persons family wil face lagal problems.

    • Robert Smith

      From jb80538: >>> Someday I believe their protests may turn violent.<<<

      It has already turned violent at women's clinics across America. MOF, some have been blown up in the name of that there christian god.

      What about THOSE protesters who inspire such violence? Shouldn't they be put 1,000 feet away from clinics?

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        How about when Obama bin Laden protests what a person is saying or doing and sends his SEIU thugs after them? Can’t they stay 1000 feet away from their intended target?

        • Robert Smith

          There you go again samurai… Making stuff up.

          Do you have any proof that Obama is actually behind what you claim? Nope, just another sleezy post.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Why don’t you go ask those two young people, working for the GOP, in New Orleans about that? I’m sure they can tell you a few things.

          • Robert Smith

            Why don’t you tell us samrai? I think you are making it up and when anything like documentation is shown it just ain’t what you want it to be. That’s OK, I’m getting used to your jabbering.

            Goddess Bless America!

            Where even smaurai can vent all he wants. Right there with phelps.

            Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            Robert, I may not have been in this country as long as you have, but I’m very observant and I’ve noticed some of the things the president has done. Many of them are illegal and he should give his letter saying that he resigns from his job and go home. I always thought that the people, not the leaders, were the important ones in this country, what about you? If you agree, then why has he pushed things on the people that they do not want? If a majority of the voters don’t want something, shouldn’t the president listen to the wishes of the people? It is a shame that this person speaks of freedom, but them abuses the freedom he was given by fighting veterans and by God.
            You are such a little person on the inside, this is why you attack people. You are so insecure that you do these things for the attention and such people never amount to anything in this world. Thank you and I’ll pray over you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            From Sook Young: ” I always thought that the people, not the leaders, were the important ones in this country, what about you? If you agree, then why has he pushed things on the people that they do not want? If a majority of the voters don’t want something, shouldn’t the president listen to the wishes of the people? ”

            Yes, the Constituion of the United states begins “We the People…” It isn’t some invisible god, it’s teh PEOPLE of America from which we gain our strength and freedom. If suspect you have been mislead by christian zealots who self proclaim their own abusive power for their own selfish gains.

            You ask: “If you agree, then why has he (Obama) pushed things on the people that they do not want? ”

            More asked: “If a majority of the voters don’t want something, shouldn’t the president listen to the wishes of the people? ”

            Voters didn’t want Richard Nixon’s 55 mph speed limit but when oil was an issue it made sense.

            Voters have voted for medical pot in over a dozen states, reduced the fine to $100 in many more states, and are considering outright legalizing it in California. Why don’t YOU respect those voters? In Oregon voters approved assisted suicide TWICE, yet you don’t respect that.

            Please don’t offer me hypocracy about made up “don’t want health care” for the voters.

            Take the time to learn what freedom is really about and take responsibility for your self, and let others take responsibility for themselves. Don’t deny others the free will that there christian god gave the world. America comes closest to allowing that free will. Why deny a god?

            Rob

            SOME very vocal and self absorbed people. Obama was elected by a wide margen without any questions (like the Florida election Bush stole). Oh yea, there are the dittohead screamers about Kenya and all that but that’s just another UFO level theory that just doesn’t hold any water. Most of America wants universal health care like all other industrialized countries in the world. We spend more money on worse health care for everyone than all of the other countries. Cuba spends relatively very little yet our health care is very close to theirs.

      • Kate8

        R S – You are as obsessed with abortion as you are with homosexuality.

        Don’t you have a life?

        • Robert Smith

          Kate8 asks: “Don’t you have a life?”

          Sure do, an excellent one. Thanks for asking.

          My life includes fighting for what I believe in too. Quite frankly I think I’m pretty good at standing up for FREEDOM in America.

          I’m pro-choice on firearms. I enjoy personally participating in all sorts of recreational shooting.

          I’m pro-choice on abortion. I don’t expect to ever have one. I’m a guy. Unless Danny Davito personally tells me I’m pregnant (like he told Arnold) I don’t think it will ever happen.

          I’m pro-choice on recreational drugs, including alcohol. That doesn’t mean that I approve of kids or driving being involved.

          I’m pro-choice on sex and merriage AMONG CONSENTING ADULTS. Again, that means no kids, animals, or the rocking chair on the porch next door.

          I’m pro-choice on health care. That impacts me directly because I can’t see a specialist I want to see because he is “out of plan” and I don’t have the money to go. The current rationing system of health care based on financial worth stinks.

          I’m pro-choice on education. I think America is falling behind the rest of the world because we don’t work hard enough keeping kids interested in school. Too much reliance on forcing kids to do stuff is driving them away. Feeding them lies like creationism has destroyed the credibility of much of our teaching environment. No child left behind is criminal in my humble opinion.

          I’m pro-choice on entertainment as long as it is age appropriate for those viewing and nobody is forced to participate in the entertainment either knowingly or unknowingly.

          There is a bunch of other stuff but I figure you get the point by now.

          This is America. We don’t need nannies from the extreme right telling us Americans what to do.

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            You are a hopelessly lost cause rob. You must have had your brain destroyed by kool aid now. Hey rob, can you feel it? I’ve put my Bible on my computer, so now my wife can pray and read scriptures over you. Ah yes, the power of the Judeo Christian God can do wonders. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            From samurai: “so now my wife can pray and read scriptures over you. Ah yes, the power of the Judeo Christian God can do wonders.”

            If your christian god can do wonders why do why are there world wars, disease, and idiots like the ripe reverand phelps?

            If you want to continue what I continue to be a foolish waste of time you may pray all you want. Just don’t prey on me or anyone else who doesn’t want it. I suggest you to go to your god’s house where it’s nice an quiet so he can hear what’s in your heart.

            The rest of us aren’t intested.

            Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            OMG! I think I hit a nerve. I’ll have to up the attack level.

          • Robert Smith

            From sook young: ” I’ll have to up the attack level.”

            How christian of you. Thank you for such a fine example of you rdetermination to impact the lives of others so you can get browny points from your god.

            Rob

  • James

    At this point, I would just state that the Premise: “Supreme Court to Determine First Amendment Boundaries…” is incorrect. The issue in this case is whether the Phelps family has abused their right of free speech. The First Amendment simply says: “Congress shall make no law…abridging the freedom of speech,” it only prohibits Congress from abridging the right, it is not the source of it.
    Americans are born with the right, however courts have held that shouting “Fire” in a crowded theatre (when there is no fire) is a misuse of the right. The Snyder case will probably turn on whether the Phelps family’s use of their right was disruptive to an otherwise solemn event.

  • spike

    Just because the law gives you the right to do something, sometimes you must examine the moral right you have to do something like this. I don’t know all the facts, but I will tell you this: and I’ll take it to the mat: My Lord is in the redemption business. His agenda is redemption. And, although he DOES send people to hell, he would rather REDEEM them. and we all really need to remember that. I have a really hard time with that in thinking of OBAMA AND PELOSI, who are deliberately slapping God in the face, and dissing God, and that’s where I have to say, “God, you’re going to have to handle this one, because my flesh won’t let me even see any good in these people right now” and you know what? I’m a white, Evangelical Christian, and I am proud to be a white person, I evangelise the gospel, and I am a Christian–a follower of Christ. So be it.

    • 45caliber

      Amen

    • THIRD PARTY

      spike,WHAT GOD,WHAT PROOF,NONE,JUST A BELIEF IN SOMETHING.That’s OK,but not really meaning anything.Unless one uses his,or her beliefs that is positive way to move ahead in humanity,not just talk.There are so many god’s it’s laughable,yours is the only one,his is the only one,cant agree go to war,that’s been the face of religion for centuries.

      • http://naver samurai

        You sound so much like flashman and rob, you know that?

    • James

      Spike, while I generally agree, I would call attention to the fact that rights are not given to us by law, rights are unalienable, they are not dependent upon any document for their existence.
      Then there’s the grave versus hell. In the Old Testament, the Hebrew “sheol” occurs 65 times. In 2 places it was translated as “the pit,” in 31 places it was translated as “hell,” and in 31 places it was translated as “the grave.” The reason for this was because the doctrine of an immediate heaven or hell afterlife, had been taught for over a thousand years before the ancient texts were translated into English. This mistranslation still has King David in hell, which is nonsense. “Sheol” just means the grave.
      Psalm 146:4 reads: “His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.” Revelation 20:4-5 says there will be two resurrections of the dead, neither of which has yet occurred, and these resurrections are here on earth.

  • Steve Dolyniuk

    Some groups tend to carry “FREE SPEECH” to far. These people were rude,& wanting to cause trouble. Not as bad as FLAG BURNERS, but non the less, trouble makers.

    • HFlashman

      What ??? You state that denigrating a funeral of a soldier is not as bad as flag burning? What hole did you crawl out of ??????

      • Jeep

        Wow! HFlashman, something we agree on! Right on!

      • http://naver samurai

        OMG! I don’t believe it! I actually agree with you on this comment too, flashman. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • dan az

          samurai
          which flashman are we talking with?

          • http://naver samurai

            I don’t really know. How about you?

  • 45caliber

    I would say that this group has the right to protest under the 1st Amendment. And I would also say that the father has the right to protest their protest under the rights of the 2nd Amendment.

    • DavidL

      45caliber,
      I certainly share your anger and emotion over this issue, but you aren’t really suggesting that the father would be justified in shooting the protesters, are you?

    • Robert Smith

      45 says: >>>And I would also say that the father has the right to protest their protest under the rights of the 2nd Amendment.<<<

      I'd love to see doctors like Teller shooting back. Not as many would be murdered if the cowards who kill them knew that some were armed.

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        Here in Indiana if one of those doctors were trespassing on my property and came up to my house, I could shoot them and not be punished under the law. So stick that up your arse!

        • Robert Smith

          samurai says: >>>Here in Indiana if one of those doctors were trespassing on my property and came up to my house, I could shoot them and not be punished under the law.<<<

          And in Indiana if one of you (or your wife) were trespassing on a doctor's property and came up to his house would it be OK for him to shoot you and not be punished under law?

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry dude, if I had a problem with one of these witch doctors I sure wouldn’t need to go to his house to say something. There are many avenues of approach on this matter. I could send a letter to the local papers, call my senators and congressmen, send letters to the governor, etc., and none of these are violent. As I stated earlier, Rep. Joe Donnelly has initiated legislation that would make it a lot harder to get an abortion, to include placing doctors, the mothers, and the ones who transport them in jail. Look it up, you may be surprised. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            From samurai: “Look it up,”

            Couldn’t find it. Must be more vaporware from you.

            Rob

  • THIRD PARTY

    Although most people do agree in what these people are doing,free speech,with cause to do harm is not a constitutional right,what these people are spewing does not do that,it’s emotional distress,this case is for the civil courts under libel.They have every right to say anything without promoting harm,such as the old yelling fire,when there is none,that intent to cause harm do to panic of burning to death,or intent to trampling of people.JUST AS THE SAME CAN BE SAID FOR WRITERS,and authors,they can write anything they want,if someone feels slighted,you can bring a case of libel,just as this case should be,not for the courts to even discuss the speech of one’s own belief or feeling of a topic.

    • Robert Smith

      From THIRD PARTY: >>>They have every right to say anything without promoting harm,such as the old yelling fire,when there is none,that intent to cause harm <<<

      Our local voting station was at a fire house. It was a very busy place with many people there to vote.

      I had just come from Blockbuster and saw the opportunity of a lifetime.

      I went into that firehouse, held up the VHS tape and yelled, "Movie! Movie! Movie!"

      Next time I'll make a video of it. Maybe at a pancake breakfast.

      Rob

  • http://personallibertydigest Gunny

    I agree with Soldier. I’m a former MARINE, as well as a teacher who used to teach Civics and Phelps DOES have the right to protest, but someday things may get physical, and that would be a bad thing for everyone concerned.
    Gunny

  • Santi

    I was brought up to respect the dead. My father would always turn the radio off and stop our car if there was a precision passing by. Still to this day I follow his teaching. My children always know that there is a funneral going on because I turn my radio off if passing a cemetary and a funneeral is going on. This teachings are instilled at an early age. Those people protesting have right to do so, all we can do is pray for those people as well as the people being affected.
    To 3rd party I pray for you to the ALMIGHTY GOD for you do not know what you say. GOD BLESS

    • HFlashman

      The dead don’t care…it’s the living that merit respect.

      • Vigilant

        So, Flash-in-the-pan:

        You mean you have no respect for your dead heroes? Like Marx, Lenin, Stalin, and others of your ilk?

        You know, maybe you and I have something in common! I don’t repect those evil bastards either.

      • Craig

        Liberals do not merit respect…lol

      • http://naver samurai

        So why do we still honor our fallen heroes, founding fathers, and other great people from history? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Vigilant

          Samurai:

          WE do, but HFlashman doesn’t. Most of us have a sense of honor and decency. Flash, on the other hand, apparently doesn’t believe that we can learn anything from the noble acts and deeds of our forefathers. Like many leftists, he has no anchor to guide his life.

          • HFlashman

            ?/ Ok..so the hate and rancor of some posters twisted what I said and was responding to into….some insane blabber.

            Do you really think once the lights go out… the dead care about what is going on in this world ? It’s the living that are due respect…for their mourning and loss of a loved one.

        • Robert Smith

          Samurai asks: “So why do we still honor our fallen heroes, founding fathers, and other great people from history?”

          Some of us still do honor our Founding Fathers. We don’t lie about their position on things. Remember, they started the Constitution of the United States with, “We the People…”

          NOT something like, “samurai’s personal allegedly christian god tells us so.”

          Goddess Bless America

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry rob, but we were founded on good solid christian principles, so get over it! Remember moron, all our rights are ordained from God and not from man. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            samurai claims about America: “but we were founded on good solid christian principles, ”

            Show me any quotes from your bible in our Constitution.

            It ain’t your god BTW.

            It starts “We the people…”

            Not some god that samurai imagines.

            Goddess Bless America!

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Robert it may not have the word God written in the Constitution, but if you took time to read it you’ll see that our Christian Founding Fathers instilled their faith and beliefs in the writing of the document. Don’t try pulling hairs with me. You’ll lose! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            From samurai: “but if you took time to read it you’ll see that our Christian Founding Fathers instilled their faith and beliefs in the writing of the document. ”

            Show us where your god is mentioned.

            And then explain why they began the document, “We the PEOPLE.”

            Rob

          • http://naver sook young

            My husband said that the word God isn’t in the document, but if you read it, you’ll see that it was written in a Christian way. Not the liberal way of today. Why do you hate anything dealing with God and Christians? Did you have a bad experience in your life? Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            From Sook Young: “My husband said that the word God isn’t in the document, but if you read it, you’ll see that it was written in a Christian way.”

            I’m a but confused. How does “We the PEOPLE…” come off as “christian?”

            >>> Not the liberal way of today.<<<

            And, just what is the "liberal" way? I don't know what that is. Actually I think giving individuals choice without the relilgion of others messing with them is the CONSERVATIVE way in a FREE America.

            Here Sook goes again: " Why do you hate anything dealing with God and Christians?"

            I don't "hate" anything dealing with god and christians. What I hate is that in a FREE America some overzealous "christians" proclaim that they can have ME participate in their religion weather or not I choose to. I think it's crappy that anyone in a FREE America would try to impose their religion upon another.

            "Did you have a bad experience in your life?"

            The only "bad" experience I've had is with the senseless name calling and the presumptions by some christians who think they can involve me and others in their religion without permission. That is a totally corruption of FREEDOM in America.

            Rob

          • Kate8

            Robert Smith, The only ones I see being ‘overzealous’ in this nation are the communists running things, forcing their hideous agenda down our throats in every part of our lives.

            It’s now MANDATED that our children are taught certain things in school than MANY Americans find abhorrent, even to the point of being removed from their parents if they refuse to comply. We are being FORCED to pay for a healthcare system MOST of us do not want. Our choices are being taken from us at lightning speed, and we are being told what we MUST have, MUST do, MUST accept.

            How dare you speak of Christians pushing their beliefs on you. Christians are standing up against an administration that is bent on silencing their voices and removing their right to exercise their beliefs. It is YOUR people who are taking away our American rights and liberties. We have these rights BECAUSE of men of faith, who understood that rights were not man’s to give or take.

            You have no idea what you are talking about. For all your smugness and bluster, you are nothing but a misguided soul, and one day you will have to face who you are, as do we all.

          • Robert Smith

            “It’s now MANDATED that our children are taught certain things in school than MANY Americans find abhorrent, even to the point of being removed from their parents if they refuse to comply.”

            Bzzzzz, WRONG. I doubt you can post ANY documented cases of kids being taken out of parents custody because the parents wanted to opt their kids out of sex ed classes, or anything else.

            BTW, what do you have against truth? The facts about the human reproductive system are easily proven. Are your kids so fragile that you can’t explain YOUR version at home and have them understand where you are coming from? Why is your religion and your god so weak that you can’t control your kids?

            Rob

          • Kate8

            RS, A newborn baby was just taken by social services because its father was found to be a member of Oathkeepers. You know, those dangerous military and/or law encforcement folks who pledge not to go against the Constitiution.

            Here in CA a judge recently ruled that, once children enter a public school, the parents have no right to approve of, or even know about, what their children are taught. They are, in effect, wards of the state.

            Progressives know very well that schools and peers exert a profound influence over a child’s thinking and values. The children are encouraged to reject the values of their parents.

            I know I turned against the values my parents instilled in me as a young person, primarily because of the influence of prevailing attitudes. Thank God I came around and smartened up.

        • rwnut

          Robert Smith…samuria’s God is the same as Benjamin Franklin’s. “I have lived,Sir,a long time,and the longer I live, the more convincing proof I see of this trurh…..that God governs in the affairs of men.(in part) Debates in the Constitutional Convention,1787.

          • http://naver samurai

            Right on and thank you, fellow patriot! Let’s keep up the good fight! We are winning more and more each day. I can begin to see the dawning of a new America on the horizon. I remember what Ronald Reagan said: “We can make America great again.” FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • rocky299

    As a former Marine I served this Country to preserve our Rights. Many of my brothers died protecting our Rights. Religion is not a part of this dilemma although many would like to drag it into the discussion.
    I believe in God and Jesus Christ, beyond that I practice my Beliefs in private and I think others should do the same. One has to ask was there trespassing involved? Surely the Cemetery is private property. What about unlawful assembly?

    SEMPER FI

  • Santi

    Hflassman you can’t read I wrote I would pray for the people affected. You pendejo

  • Barbara Clifton

    THEY ARE THE BIGGEST IDIOTS. MAYBE IF THEY WANT TO PROTEST WE SHOULD SEND THEM OVER TO FIGHT AND SEE IF ONE OF THEM WAS DEAD HOW THEY WOULD FEEL IF OTHERS DID THAT AT A FUNERAL OF ONE OF THEIR FRIENDS. MAYBE THEY WOULD OPEN THEIR BLIND EYES IF IT HAPPENED TO THEM. IF THE SUPREME COURT UPHOLDS THIS THEY SHOULD BE SENT OVER TO FIGHT ALSO SO THEY CAN BE SHOT AT ALSO. DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU.

  • American Citizen

    The Constitution gives us the right to privacy. A funeral is a private event and those people are violating their rights. The right to free speech only goes so far. Your right to throw your fist ends where someone else’s nose begins. It’s always been said we do not have the right to cry “Fire!” in a crowded place when there is no fire. Those people should be prosecuted under the hate speech laws as what they spout could be an instigation to violence. I know I would be tempted to light into them for denigrating my loved one.

    • Vigilant

      Are there indeed “hate speech” laws in the US? I know of hate crime laws, but not hate speech. This is not a sarcastic question; I’m genuinely interested.

      As for incitement to violence, is it not true that the law must stand by until such violence actually occurs (doctrine of “prior restraint)?

      Once again, a genuine question for which I don’t know the answer.

      • American Citizen

        If there isn’t, there should be for this kind of invasion of privacy. They’re talking about passing a law against cyberspace bullying. Some places may have already done that. What should be, isn’t, what is, shouldn’t be.

  • http://none draper b. gregory

    Dear friends: Let me start by informing you that I am a lawyer.I am also significantly familiar with the Constitution.

    Let’s look at the evidence and then determine whether the speech and demonstrations are protected.

    It should come as no surprise that there are elements of “intentional infliction of emotional distress” as well as “private and/or public nusance”, neither of which is protected under the Constitution.

    I’m frankly amazed that the Court took the case for review. Whew.

    All the best.

    Draper Gregory

  • Vigilant

    Does anyone else see the parallels of the mosque issue and this one?

    …that First Amendment rights are being exercised even though they are expressions that are repugnant and insensitive?

    Just asking, I’m open to differing views.

    • DavidL

      45caliber,
      There are people who would draw a parallel between this “speech” and the “insensitivity issue” of building the NYC Mosque. I do not. From my perspective, there is a more significant difference. The issue is not “insensitivity” to 9/11 families. The issue is control over one’s private property. Does this real estate owner have a right to develop his property anyway he see’s fit in compliance with all ordinances? The answer is yes. It doesn’t matter whether that offends someone or not. The city of New York says he may proceed.

      Remember, there are many 9/11 family members who WANT this Mosque built. They remind us that there were two Mosques inside the Twin Towers, and that many Muslims were also killed on 9/11, both inside the buildings when they were hit and as part of the rescue teams when they collapsed.

      • Jeep

        DavidL you are wrong. There are zoning laws that will NOT allow anyone to build whatever they want anywhere. What if they wanted to put a chicken farm up instead of a mosque? The fact is, that zoning laws are already prohibiting individuals from building for a wide variety of reasons. It is a simple matter for the city of new york (lower cased in protest!) to “rezone”, or prohibit the building for a number of very legitimate reasons. However, they are choosing not to excercise this responsibility.

        • DavidL

          The city of New York APPROVED his request for development. The developer is in complete compliance with all rules and regulations and therefore has every right to develop his PRIVATE PROPERTY. What about this don’t you understand?

        • Robert Smith

          From Jeep: “It is a simple matter for the city of new york (lower cased in protest!) to “rezone”, or prohibit the building for a number of very legitimate reasons. ”

          What is it about equal treatment under law in America that you don’t understand, Jeep?

          Sure, it would be simple to make laws that would keep christians out, blacks out, and any other nusance that you might want to declare undesirable. But it would all be illegal.

          Rob

          Rob

      • Robert Smith

        From DavidL. >>>There are people who would draw a parallel between this “speech” and the “insensitivity issue” of building the NYC Mosque.<<<

        Here is one for you, David. Milton Bradley School is in Springfield, MA. Across Maple street was a women's clinic. Protesters from a nearby church were regulars there with their megaphones and signs.

        Several of the elementary school kids were frightened to tears because of the claims of "baby killers" being across the street from their school.

        Quite frankly I think that reaches the level of Phelps and that mosque thing.

        Honestly, what do you think about protesters who make kids cry while they are in elementary school?

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          What do you mean? It would take something a lot bigger than that to make my kids cry. My kids are as smart and disciplined as their parents. Why do you keep bringing up abortion? Were you one of those doctors who were shot at? Did your boyfriend go there to have one? Did your mother go to have one, just to find out the doctor botched the job and you were born? You are a waste of skin, robert!

          • Robert Smith

            samurai asks: “Why do you keep bringing up abortion? ”

            I’m not. What I’m bring up are the hateful protesters who make kids cry and who abuse women going into clinics.

            Who do you think should decide who is being abused? Grieving families, women at clinics, or self proclaimed abusive christians?

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            In this case, it is the family of the fallen U.S. Marine. Who, by the way, has provided you with this freedom. So why do you abuse the freedom that you have been given by veterans and God? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            From samurai: “So why do you abuse the freedom that you have been given by veterans and God? ”

            I’m a vet also. I understand fighting for freedom. I appreciate those who I served with and honor those before and after.

            As far as your god goes he didn’t give me anything and some of his followers insist that I participate in THEIR version of christanity against my will in a free America.

            What about being FREE in America don’t you understand, samurai?

            Rob

        • DavidL

          Robert Smith,
          If you are asking me about the “Christian” protesters at abortion clinics and their use of violence, I agree with you. It’s crime that should be punished. Once they violate “Thou shall not kill” they are no longer Christians but criminals. Protesting peacefully yes. Violence no. I would however, establish a safe area around the clinic, or elementary school, being protested. A 1000 yards works for me.

          Like you, I believe, I am a parent and very sensitive and protective of our children.

          • Robert Smith

            Hi DavidL,

            Yup, I’m a parent.

            One thing I’ve never understood is that some protesters claim to be praying (I think of it as preying on women).

            If it involves their god why don’t they go to his house, or theirs of worship, and pray there? It’s quiet, they wouldn’t need megaphones, and maybe their god can read their hearts rather than ugly posters.

            Quite frankly if I were a god and my followers were doing such antics I’d consider another flood.

            Rob

  • Bill

    I hope the Phelps win. I say this not because I agree with the method or message they send, but because they have the right to do so. If they are stopped, where does it end? We take the First Amendment pretty seriously, I hope, in this country. Even if I don’t like what they are doing, spewing hate as they do, I would rather that then the “speech police” telling me what I can and cannot say or where I can say it.

    USMC
    1968-1970

    • American Citizen

      They can make it specific which would do no harm to the First Amendment.

  • ChuckL

    This falls into the category of yelling “FIRE” in a crowded theater. If the ?? Justices ?? don’t like that, then they can equate it with a clear attempt to incite a riot.

    • Robert Smith

      From ChuckL: >>>This falls into the category of yelling “FIRE” in a crowded theater.<<<

      But Phelps believes there is a "fire." His christian god tells him so. Who are we to argue with him about HIS religion?

      Rob

      • Craig

        Your an idiot if you think he is doing that because some silly imaginary sky fairy told him to. He is doing it to incite people into kicking their arses so they can sue the pants off of people. That is all that pile of crap is doing.

        • Robert Smith

          Best excuse for a Tac-50 I’ve ever heard. Canadian weapon, home loads, and a close river to dump it in after the terminal attitude adjustment.

          There, a sick threat. Now can I still hang round this forum?

          Sheesh, it hurts to speak in such terms. Fortunately I generally don’t think there.

          Rob

  • http://gmail i41

    stephie, you must be as mental moron to think weed can provide comfort and feel good effects.It is happening, only in you vacant spot between you jug ears. Just another b–l s–t socialist plan to dumb down the citizens. I know when I was ranch foreman in Mt. we had a west coast hippy that we had to shepherd, the maggot around, because his folks were friends of the absentee owner. Every weekend he would bug the other hands to get him some rope to jump, when they went to Billings for a dance or party. Some of the lads cut and dries rag weed, put in some majoram, cinnimon, just a dash in a bucket, some dried cow patties, and last several horse road apples and then took a post pounder and mashed it around and put it some baggies, the clown took his zigzag and had a couple of fat ones. He claimed it was the best and wanted these lads to get him some more, they tries to remember the recipe, and this idoit sucked more litteral shit than anyone could beleive. Oh and he was a hard core envior liberal dumbocrats that had issues with working cattle and killing natures creatures. You must be his brother. The motivation of this country keeps sliding and will pick up speed in ever state that keeps legalizing small amounts will show in a year or 2.

    • HFlashman

      Funny. When I lived in cowboy country, I had a Che guevara sticker on the truck (you know the one…the most commonly seen one)…a few of the local goat ropers saw it and commented on it. I had two in the glovebox and gladly gave them to them. To this day, those two idiots probably have Che bumper stickers on their trucks. LOL …

      Then of course there was the rancher who proclaimed to everyone he could he was damned if he would live in a “socialist’ country and he was proud he was independent means. When it was pointed out to him the ater was available via government water projects, he grazed cattle on gov’t land on a subsidy, his beef was gov’t subsidized via price floors on grain etc, he had lower fuel costs because of tax credits and exemptions, he had flood insurance at artifically low prices, he had crop and cattle bennies from the USDA and other Ag programs….he stomped out of the room.

      …. lol

    • Robert Smith

      From i41: “you must be as mental moron to think weed can provide comfort and feel good effects.”

      Or perhaps personal experience might be a factor. Why knock it until you have tried it?

      The fact is that the PEOPLE of over a dozen states have VOTED to make medical pot legal.

      Why do you want to deny the people, i41?

      BTW, with the same rules as alcohol, that there christian drug of choice, there is absolutely no harm can come to someone. MOF it is possible to OD with alcohol. The only way a lab rat has died from pot is if a bail gets dropped on it. There is no such thing as an OD, and no such thing as addiction (habituation yes, addiciton no).

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        Rob must have fallen and hit his head when he was born. Illegal is illegal, no matter what, no exceptions!

        • Robert Smith

          But medical pot is LEGAL in over a dozen states where it has been VOTED on by Americans. Don’t you respect a vote? Isn’t that what a democracy is?

          Goddess Bless America!

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Cite your source! Cite your source!

        • Robert Smith

          Hey samurai you can read all about states where pot is legal for medical uses, and as an extra added bonus you can find out about states that have set the fines at less than a speeding ticket at: http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3391

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Ok rob, I read the thing. I also noticed that Indiana has increased the jail time if you are caught possessing it.

          • Robert Smith

            From samurai: “I also noticed that Indiana has increased the jail time if you are caught possessing it.”

            Actually you should go to get some real information: http://www.inorml.org/

            BTW, even with ONE state increasing penalties the reality is medical pot is legal in over a dozen states and outright legaliation is on the ballot in California and Detroit. Many states have reduced penalties for poession to just $100.

            So, if pot is VOTED on are you going to respect the people?

            Rob

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob, I don’t think it’ll come up for a vote in Indiana. We are very anti-illegal drugs, but if it did, I would vote no to legalizing it for any prupose. If it somehow passed and was signed by the governor, then I know many people who would work hard to try to overturn it. I hope that was a good answer for you Rob. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            From samurai: ” If it somehow passed and was signed by the governor, then I know many people who would work hard to try to overturn it.”

            So much for respecting the will of the PEOPLE.

            And it clearly shows just how much you appear to have an urge to CONTROL others in a FREE America.

            BTW, I haven’t seen recreational drugs mentioned in the bible at all.

            AND! Did you know that Washington grew hemp? Did you know that Jefferson grew hemp AND smoked it?

            Rob

          • Robert Smith

            Ohhhhhhh, samuari! I’ll bet you want a citation on that one…

            Here goes

            Lets begin with http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/7/2009/1718: “In his farm journal of August 7, 1765, Washington notes that he “began to separate (sic) the male from the female hemp…rather too late.” An astute agronomist, Washington could only have been seeking a crop with stronger “medicinal” qualities.”

            BTW, did you know that good old George was one of America’s greatest brewers and distillers of the time? You can visit both facilities at Mt. Vernon and actually see the equipment George operated.

            So, samurai, you are sooooooo willing to hijack YOUR BELIEF that George Washington was your kind of abusive christian while at the same time ignoring, and even outright hostile, that George grew and our Founding Fathers smoked hemp.

            Sure looks to me like another dose of that there christian hypocrac.

            Goddess Bless America!

            Rob

  • Dee

    These people from kansas were horrible to this family that lost their son fighting for this country. He was over their fighting to protect their sorry asses and they act like this.
    They are nothing but hate mongers and certainly no Christians.

    • DavidL

      You have that right, Dee. They just think they are Christians.”Legends in their own minds.” I feel the same way about terrorists who wrap themselves, for self-serving purposes, around Islam. They are not Muslims, they are criminals.

      • Robert Smith

        From DavidL: >>>They are not Muslims, they are criminals.<<<

        I hope that you believe that clinic bombers are also criminals.

        Rob

        • http://naver samurai

          Extend all constitutional rights and laws to protecting the unborn children, close down the clinics, and remove abortion from the Constitution, then the problem would be solved. Case closed. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Frum samurai: “Extend all constitutional rights and laws to protecting the unborn children,”

            Spoken like the true American Taliban. Thanks for the fine example, samurai.

            Goddess Bless America!

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry rob, but we have gone a certain percentage of the way in Indiana. If a person kills a pregnant woman and the baby dies also, the person is charged with 2 counts of murder and not 1. This is one way, not the only way, to extend rights to the child. You are such a fool rob. You say you believe in a persons right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, but a baby doesn’t count in these matters? You are a hypocritical moron! How can you say all Americans have these rights, but not extend them to a baby? You are a fool and you flip flop more than John Kerry ever did, if there is such a thing. Don’t you agree that an innocent life should be protected? How do you get any more innocent than a baby? You talk about the Taliban? You know nothing about them except what the MSM tells you. At least I had the guts to go over there and fight them, how about you rob? You always talk about medical pot, do you smoke pot for medicinal reasons or because you are a loser? You always talk about the rights of Americans, but you never believe in protecting children and giving them a chance to have a life. You always say our country is a beakon of liberty, though I agree with you on that, but this means for people who want to be free, work hard, obey our laws, etc. The patriots on this site are fighting to take this country back from cowards and traitors, like yourself, and get back onto the straight and narrow path. This means no illegal drugs, no abortions, no rump rangers, etc. The only people I know that support such things are you lib pieces of trash. I suggest that you go back and study our christian founding fathers and christian founding principles more than you obviously know now. Ignorant fool! All you do on this site is just stir the waters and bring no real facts or sources, just lib rhetoric.

          • Robert Smith

            From samurai: ” but a baby doesn’t count in these matters?”

            Awwww, the old “it’s a baaaaaabbbbbeeeee!”

            No samuari, I don’t believe it’s a baybe until the woman carrying it says it is or it is born. It’s that simple.

            BTW, have you ever seen the heartbreak of a woman who had to have an abortion to save her life? If she died the fetus would die too so there was absolutely no senst to continuing the pregnancy.

            BTW, if you believe that it’s so important to keep women pregnant no matter what why don’t you fund health care for that? AND! Why don’t you want to fund health care after it is born?

            Pro-life is a crock. It ain’t pro-life when people are dying from a failed health care like in America. A baby born in Cuba has almost exactly the same chance as a kid born in America.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry rob, remember our founding principles of self reliance, personal responsibility, and the vision to ensure than government remain our servants and not our masters. Who is this woman supposed to rely on to raise this child? Herself. Who was responsible for her getting pregnant? Herself. Who is responsible for caring and paying for healthcare while the baby in still inside the mother and after it is born? Herself. Who is responsible to make sure that she doesn’t get pregnant or abstains from sex till the day of her marriage? Herself. If she can’t do these things, then she needs to grow up and understand that this is how it is these days. You talk about someone else paying for it? This is NOT the feds job. The fed has no business in giving money to someone who is supposed to do things for themselves. It’s also called being a mature, rational adult. Just go back under the rock you came out from. I’ve known women who have gotten abortions because they didn’t want to change their lifestyle of partying, oh well, boo hoo, you need some cheese to go with that whine? If you can’t handle the responsibility, then just don’t have sex and get pregnant. You said how you were with the navy? OMG! You sure betrayed everything that uniform stood for. With people like you out there, I’ll continue the fight for this country. Your fight is the destruction of it. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            from samurai: “Your fight is the destruction of it.”

            Really?

            From the days of our founding fathers America grew into the leader of the world in the first 100 years. By WW1 America was strong enough to defeat all others. America worked to establish freedoms around the world.

            Until early in the 20th centuery abortion was legal, firearms weren’t regulated, and drugs weren’t regulted. THERE IS A PRECIDENT for a free America, and during that freedom we grew into a strong nation.

            Now we have nannies from the right invading our freedoms on all fronts.

            Quit lying about freedom in America on one hand and then deny it on another. Our serious problems began with prohibition and restrictions on freedoms. It isn’t the drugs, abortion, or firearms that are destroying America. It’s the corrosion of restrictions.

            Rob

        • DavidL

          Of course I do. See earlier post of mine.

  • Jim H.

    The irony is that the people that fought and died to protect Phelps’ freedoms are the ones Phelps is targeting. With all those Bibles laying around his church, maybe he should crack one open and read it. He could find out what a real Christian is.

    • Craig

      I say some vets do a clandestine raid on the Phelps losers. Can’t be but 30 of them low lifes. Round up all thirty and make them disappear. Nobody will be missing them.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy 131

    This has nothing to do with free speech, but instead the privacy of the individual(s). The grave site and internment of a love one is a very private matter, as private as ones home in the Constitution. As such, only those invited are allowed to attend as in an individuals home. If the Supreme Court allows anyone to invade a families burial using the excuse of free speech, then anyone should be allowed to invade your home if he wants to give a speech on a social or political view. A second condition here also needs to be addressed, Hate Speech. These invaders of privacy were exhibiting hate speech and hate demonstrations toward a citizen who served his country, did what he was ordered, and paid the ultimate price, and to his grieving family and invited friends. This to is against the law and should not be excused in the name of free speech, all hate speech is free, but not lawful. This case will let the American people know what kind of Supreme Court we have, and if there is any common sense and compassion in those who say they know the laws and what they stand for better than the citizens they are suppose to serve, they have been put on the spot, lets see if they are as smart as they claim to be. The Courts have been as bad as the Legislature, they both need to be changed, for they both no longer work within the constraints of the Constitution, but are trying to change it or destroy it from each of their positions. If the economy collapses and chaos ensues, then the judges like the legislature will have good reason to fear for their lives and that of their families, or they will share the blame too.

  • Jim H.

    Robert Smith, You seem to be pretty worked up about people protesting outside of “clinics”. Does this compare to protesting at funerals of fallen soldiers because they both involve someone who died way before their time? Or maybe you work at one. Maybe one of your partners went there. You seem to take it REAL personal.

    • Craig

      I don’t think the god squad cultist have any right to protest health clinics. I also do not believe the Phelps scum have the right to protest a funeral. Neither case is any of their business. Free speech should be restricted to politics. A funeral does not have any effect on anybody but the family and friends. What a women does with her body does not affect anybody but her and the father. Now politics affects us all and nobody should stop us from freely speaking up or protesting.

      • Jim H.

        Craig, What a women does to her body affects more than her and the father if she is pregnant. It has a huge effect on the baby, big time. You say people trying to say people who want to protect the most innocent and helpless humans there are, should mind there own business? People who believe in God(capitol G) and the sanctity of life are cultists? Your first line says you don’t think “god squad cultists should have any right to protest health clinics.”( just say abortion clinics) Your last line says “nobody should stop us from freely speaking up or protesting”. What one is it?

        • Robert Smith

          From Jim H.: “It has a huge effect on the baby, big time.”

          That is a RELIGIOUS perspective, NOT shared by all Americans.

          Even if it is a “baby” (only for the sake of argument) what right does it have to TAKE from any woman without permission? Simply because you toss a few coins into a hat does NOT give them permission to take your credit card. Simply because a woman has sex does NOT give anyone permission to use her organs for 9 months. If she wants to she can call that rape.

          IMO anyone helping that “person” take from her without her permission is just as much a rapist, maybe even more because the “baby” isn’t thinking yet and the assistant rapist is.

          Rob

          • GregS

            Robert, it’s NOT just a “religious perspective!” It’s a HUMAN LIFE perspective! In case you weren’t aware, there are even atheists who are pro-life. It’s a FACT that the unborn child is a separate human organism with his/her own genome, sex, blood type, etc. Any medical textbook will tell you this.

            Furthermore, Robert, NO ONE has the right to take an innocent human life, regardless of “permission,” or whatever else you rant about.

          • Jim H.

            Robert, A pregnant women unless she was raped,participated willingly in an act that she knew could cause a pregnancy. Because of the act she is now pregnant(surprise)and now is responsible for a human life growing inside of her. Certain acts have consequences, time to take responsibility for those acts. To compare an unborn baby to a rapist is asinine.

          • http://naver samurai

            Greg S and Jim H I agree with you 100%. Many of my wifes relatives are atheists or buddhists and they don’t believe in abortion either. Rob is just ranting. He just does it for the attention. What a waste of skin. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • GregS

        Craig, the unborn child is NOT part of the woman’s body. He/She is a separate human organism with his/her own genome, sex, blood type, heart, brain, etc. Abortion is NOT what a woman does to her body. It’s what an abortionist does to that separate human organism.

        • Robert Smith

          And if it’s a BAAAABEEEE why don’t YOU take care of it? Isn’t it some sort of socialism to insist another person take care of it against their will?

          Rob

          • JimH

            Robert,there are many loving couples that would adopt that baby. The mother can put him or her up for adaption. No one is forceing the mother to raise the child. But you knew that.

          • Robert Smith

            JimH says, ” No one is forceing the mother to raise the child.”

            Yes, but those from the extreme right are attempting to force her to remain pregnant against her will. Using her sex organs when she doesn’t want to volunteer them is rape. It’s that simple.

            If the fetus is so importnat to you YOU incubate it. Get in line outside clinics and await your turn to be pregnant.

            BTW, how do you feel about a same sex couple adopting a kid from a woman who doesn’t want it?

            Rob

          • Jim H.

            Robert, If she wasn’t participating in an act that could get her pregnant it wouldn’t be an issue. Women have sexual intercourse(that is how one gets pregnant) and then act like is is really unfair or a big surprise. No, it’s time to pay the consequences. Is nine months of carrying a baby for something that was of your own doing worse than KILLING an unborn human child? The real issue isn’t really about any ones rights(except for protecting the childs right to life)it’s about action without consequences. Unfortunately there is a consequence, Some one dies, because of the woman’s selfishness.

          • http://naver sook young

            JimH, I really do agree with you. If I knew someone who didn’t want to keep their unborn child, my husband and I would file the proper papers in court to support it. We may only be foster parents for a certain time, but at least we would give the child the love it needs. If a woman says she doesn’t want her baby, it’s like she isn’t a woman but an empty shell. Robert, I prayed for you last night. Just to let you know. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            “No, it’s time to pay the consequences.”

            Pregnancy as punishment for having had sex.

            What a sick concept in my humble opinion.

            Rob

          • Jim H.

            Robert, Pregnancy is the RESULT of sex, you’re the one who says it’s the PUNISHMENT for having sex. Certain acts DO have consequences, that Bobby, is a FACT. As for your humble opinion, since you are the one who said it is a punishment,YOU are sick.

          • http://naver samurai

            Rob sounds like when Obama bin Laden said about his daughter being punished with a baby. Rob, are you a sheeple?

          • Jim H.

            Samurai, What did Michele do, that she needed to be PUNISHED twice.

          • http://naver samurai

            Good one, Jim H. LOL!

          • Robert Smith

            Yup, I’ve been proven correct again.

            I don’t expect those from the extreme right wing religious community to understand the difference between a WANTED pregnancy and an unwanted one.

            BTW, just in case you don’t know it sex can be a great deal of fun. Sometimes that is the ONLY reason for sex. It IS NOT permission for getting pregnant.

            And again, I don’t expect you to understand that either. Let’s see if I can help you understand. Driving is for many a pleasure. Being on a motorcycle is particularly fun. Although a crash is always a possibility it isn’t a “consequence” of riding a bike. It is something that happens every so often. When an accident happens on a bike or if pregnancy is an accident both can be fixed.

            Rob

          • Jim H.

            Robert, I do understand sex is fun.(enjoy it all the time she wants) I also know the difference between wanted an unwanted. I also know actions have consequences. I also know right from wrong. Something I wouldn’t expect someone from the extreme left wing secular community to understand. If you participate in an activity that has a chance of causing an “unwanted result” don’t feel so surprised when it happens. When it does be adult enough to take responsibility or it. Another thing I don’t expect from a member of the extreme left secular community is understanding the immorality of the taking of a human life because of their own selfishness.I caused it but I don’t want it so I’ll KILL him or her. Unprotected sex, driving drunk all fun, but risky.

          • Robert Smith

            “Something I wouldn’t expect someone from the extreme left wing secular community to understand.”

            But the SECULAR is what America is about. Do you remember that no state religion thing?

            I don’t have to listen to the American Taliban from the christian religious extreme right.

            Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            SCOTUS: Church of the Holy Trinity vs. the U.S. 1892. This is a Christian and not secular nation. Look it up. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Jim H.

            Robert, I guess because I’m against KILLING unborn humans that makes me a Taliban. Because I choose to live a moral life makes me extreme. No state religion doesn’t mean NO religion, it means we are free to choose our religion, not be told by the state what our religion will be. One doesn’t need to be religious to live a moral life. So far you haven’t refuted anything I’ve written. All of your responses have been weak and lame. All you have done is to try to infer being religious is foolish(we’ll see) and name call. I don’t consider myself extreme(as if extreme is a bad thing). You are just a poor misguided soul, who has been fooled into believing that abortion has something to do with someones rights, and isn’t really the EVIL that it is. One doesn’t need to be extreme to know what evil is, before you even try that lame reply. By the way what part of certain actions have consequences and in ADULT world we take responsibility for those actions, are you having trouble understanding.

          • Robert Smith

            “it means we are free to choose our religion, not be told by the state what our religion will be.”

            But at least one is using her most mighty weapon to get me to be christian. Or maybe she doesn’t really care because she’s just collecting browny points… Good job browny.

            I’ve chosen not to have any christians prey over me because I don’t want to be “converted.” Why would you try to exert power over me towards your ends ignoring my wishes?

            So much for a FREE America from christians.

            Rob

          • GregS

            Robert Smith says: “Why would you try to exert power over me towards your ends ignoring my wishes? So much for a FREE America from christians.”

            - Robert, when your “wishes” interfere with other rights (in this case, the RIGHT TO LIFE, which is EXPLICITLY in the Constitution), then additional laws are needed to protect those rights.

            - Your linkage of people, who are against abortion, to religious extremists, is BOGUS. Many atheists are pro-life, as Samurai and I pointed out previously.

            - Throughout this ENTIRE discussion, you have done nothing but try to divert the attention AWAY from the issue of freedom-of-speech of a VERY, VERY SMALL group of extreme, obnoxious people, who really should just be ignored. Very few, if any, religions, let alone pro-lifers, agree with them, and here you are trying to link all pro-lifers to the the actions of these obnoxious extremists. Anyone who touts, “Thank God For Dead Soldiers,” is certainly NOT pro-life. YOU, Robert, are just like these extremists in Topeka, just itching for the Supreme Court to rule AGAINST them. You and these people are nothing but leftwing extremist shills. You are fully aware that if the Supreme Court rules against them, it will pave the way for government intrusion into other types of protests and freedom of speech. That’s your REAL goal, isn’t it Robert. What a twit you are!

          • Jim H.

            Robert, I’m not trying to force religion on you, I’m just trying to save some unborn people from being KILLED by people like you. It’s about the baby’s, NOT YOU. I see you cherry pick about 10% of my post and make a lame effort to refute it. Does that mean you concede that I’m right about the rest, or you don’t try to refute it because YOU CAN’T. Convince me that unborn baby’s being slaughtered by their own mother’s is a wonderful thing. You won’t. I’m appalled that there are people like you that do.

          • Robert Smith

            “Convince me that unborn baby’s being ”

            Don’t need to.

            It isn’t a baaaaaaabyyyyy in the eyes of most Americans. At best it is a potential baby.

            If it really is a baaaaaaabyyyyyyy then why don’t you send young boys to jail for spreading 1/2 baaaaaabyyyyyyys on the bed sheets after looking at a Playboy?

            MOF, with millions of sperm that don’t get to an egg why don’t you arrest someone for having them go dead? At least half a “life” sentence seems appropriate for such an act!

            BTW, Rush used to sell mink gloves. Now it’s oven mitts to control the spilling of seed. Are you going to have most teenage guys arrested for “murdering” millions of 1/2 “human beings?”

            Your “argument” is just plane silly.

            Rob

          • Jim H.

            Robert, How come you didn’t finish the statement of mine that you are so lamely TRYING to ridicule. The part you left out says it all. Yes, Before they are born they are still a “baby”. The only baaaaabyyyyy I see here is you. A baby isn’t made until the sperm meets the egg. So you can quit trying to go off subject with your asinine statement. What part of my statement is “just plain silly” ? The part that you haven’t refuted anything I said? You haven’t. That you won’t convince me that mother’s slaughtering their own baby’s is right? you won’t. I don’t expect an answer because you haven’t answered any of my questions, so far. If the part about the Playboy’s was a joke I can see the humor, if you were serious it was really lame. Keep trying you Godless,unborn baby killing, ghoulish, loser.

          • GregS

            Robert Smith says: “It isn’t a baaaaaaabyyyyy in the eyes of most Americans.”

            WRONG! The polls are all over the place on abortion, so what makes YOU the expert on how “most Americans” feel about him or her being a baby? Why don’t you include references with your vague statements?

            As Jim H pointed out, Robert, your statements about the sperm and the egg are ludicrous! You really like to go off on tangents, don’t you.

            Talk about arguments that are “just plane silly!”

          • http://naver sook young

            How can you speak such utter trash and pretent to know how women feel? You even have problems contemplating how a baby is made inside of the woman. Have you smoked so much illegal drugs that you have forgotten something as basic as sex and reproduction? In my country, 3 months after you are born you celebrate your 1 year birthday. We count a person’s life at the time of conception. If you are a parent, I really would hate to see how your kids turned out. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

  • http://none Bob Gant

    As dispicable as it is, the First Amendment protects Westbrook Baptist Church. I spent 36 years, as a Soldier, sworn to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America. That Marine died to defend that same Constitution. In other words, he died to give the Phelps family to be offensive misled jerks, and to show the disrespect for this hero. Obviously, I am offended by their behavior, but I have this to say to Rev(?) Phelps. Remember “Judge not, lest ye not be judged.”

  • GregS

    I think the Phelps family and those other “church” members are just a bunch of liberal lefty shills, who are trying to attract public attention to all those who are against abortion and homosexuality, by associating them with nauseous, extreme behavior. The tactic is called BOGUS LINKAGE. The lefties do it all the time when they can’t defend their point of view on its own merit.

  • Meteorlady

    While I find the religious people’s view and their demonstration insensitive and bigoted and I cannot personally condone what they did, I can understand freedom of speech and believe that they had a right to do it. I read some more about this and it seems that the father didn’t even see the protest until he watched TV so it didn’t actually interrupt the funeral itself. Tthe Marine, whose funeral it was, died to protect our freedoms and freedom of speech is part of that.

    • GregS

      Well said, Meteorlady! I don’t think the family should take this to court, because if they win, it will pave the way for further government intrusion into other types of protests and freedom of speech. As I said previously, I wouldn’t be surprised if those protesters were shills.

    • James

      Meteorlady, thank you. I was wondering just how disruptive the demonstraters were. While I disagree with the wars we are fighting over there, I certainly wouldn’t denigrate America’s finest who died doing it. “Thank God For Dead Soldiers” is as insensitive as it gets. I would think that surely violates some federal law.

  • Michael shaking his head

    I don’t get it. A soldiers job is to follow commands and protect his country period. That’s the job. This man did that by giving the ultimate. First the young man died to protect these people and allow them to protest. I don’t think hr thought it would come back this way, but that is what he defended and honored. On that note, as a father I would of had to defend his honor. what happened to MEN in America? I would lawfully incorrectly have walked across the street and explain my sons positon as a soldier and then ask them to go away. The first man to deny me my privacy and my sons honor at this time i would have popped right in the nose. I would have paid my fine and went before 12 of my peers. Winning or loing would not matter. i would have honored my son as he did my family and my country.
    to hell with lawfully right at every turn.

  • “JAVOPE”

    Getting back to the original subject.

    Before I went to Viet Nam I was a rifleman in a funeral detail.
    I saw many family pains and hurts while they buried their loved ones.
    I have to say it was heart wrenching to see their anguish.
    When I was in Viet Nam every time someone went home cold I already knew what the family was to go through.
    I am disgusted with the fact that this preacher and I share the same last name which I am grateful we are not related. I believe he is only doing this to get attention for him self, in order to enrich his offering cup.

    Their are many self proclaimed gods as some of you have stated, including your self, not to mention names, this is true, otherwise the Father would not have said you shalt not have any other gods before me.

    The real difference is the omnipresence of the Father capable of having the spirit dwell within each of us simultaneously and communicate one on one. All you must do is ask and you shall receive this spirit but you must ask in truth or you can not experience it.
    God knows already if you are true or full of crap!
    Many people never experience it because they are truly afraid of it.
    They will have all kinds of excuses and little ideologies to defend their fears, but it all comes down to the fact they can’t handle answering to a higher power where they can not do their dastardly deeds out of sight of their peers. The spirit sees all and knows all.

    Imagine that, A judge that is not having to take the word of any man about what kind of person someone is because it is fully known how they are.

    What a relief for some and what a fear for others.
    “BASIC INSTRUCTIONS BEFORE LEAVING EARTH” the (BIBLE)
    Take it or leave it. It is the best read you can digest!

    MATTHEW 7:1-27 Just read it if you dare!!!!!!!! Some of you have already read it, but it won’t hurt to read it again.

    If you don’t want to read it that’s OK it mentions people in there who think like you, so don’t bother every one about complaining about having to believe like someone else believe me you don’t.

    1 CORINTHIANS 13:1 Though I speak with the tongs of men and of angles, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.

    13:11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child; but when I became an adult I put away childish things.
    Some of the name calling and verbal abuse written is like children talking.

    I think and this only my opinion that Religion is the biggest stumbling block their is, keeping people from a true one on one spiritual relationship with the Father.

    If you can see religion as rules and regulations made by men to control other men you may realize the importance of going beyond that to the spiritual connection which the Father really wants with each of us.

    I had an experience in 1971 in Viet Nam which scared me because I was talked to and no other person was around. I have never forgotten that moment.

    In 1976 I had another experience where I truly ask for Jesus to come into me. I was given my faith by the Father by showing me things before they would happen, knowing what people were going to ask me before they spoke, and many other evidences of an Authority way beyond our meager mind so I understand how some do not want to believe beyond their own person, so be it!

    I must say, I know, that I know, beyond a doubt, that this Authority is real.

    Jesus Christ is my Lord and savior that has prepared a way for me to commune with his Father and now my Father, It is my hope that all can see the way of life being obedient to the spirit as full filament of our journey here on this planet where our soul manifests it’s self in order to be judged. By the blood of our savior Jesus Christ we are spared from being eternally lost, but we will still be judged.
    Heaven begins right here on earth, and so does hell!

    Just a visitor on planet earth

    • Robert Smith

      From JAVOPE: “Many people never experience it because they are truly afraid of it.”

      Why are you presuming to “explain” what others feel? In essance I feel that you are outright lying because you and I have never met. Nor have you been likley to have met most of America. So, clearly you are making it up.

      I’m not “afraid” of anything from your god.

      Rob

      • http://naver samurai

        Rob, are you ever going to answer JimH’s questions? That’s OK Rob, we all know you are going to hell. It’s just a matter of time. By the way, praying for someone isn’t trying to convert them. It is trying to help them, their lives, and their immortal soul. How do you know if someone isn’t praying for you now? It may be your wife, kids, friends, relatives, other people, etc., how would you know? Are you saying that these people are trying to convert you? Converting to God and Jesus is a clear and consious choice to make and isn’t forced on people in any way. My wife is right, you do have a closed little mind. Except I say a closed brain damaged little mind. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • http://www.LakeAtitlanRentals.com Duende

      Hey Javope

      I had an experience myself when I was in my late 20′s that I just couldn’t handle at the time. When you’ve had such an experience your life is never the same.. you see things so much differently. Religions do so many time kill the message that it was supposedly founded on. All the best.

  • MRF

    …AND OUR BEAUTIFUL CONSTITUTION HAS BEEN RAPPED, MUGGED, INFECTED BY MORONS SEEKING SHELTER UNDER HER WORDS. OUR BILL OF RIGHTS HAS BEEN RAPPED AND MISUNDERSTOOD. VERY SAD INDEED!!! MAYBE SOME IDIOT IS GOING TO INTERPRET “THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS” AS THE RIGHT FOR THE GRIZZLY BEAR TO SHOOT US TOO!!!
    WE ARE LOOSING OUR COUNTRY!!! MY SUGGESTION IS TO FIRST STOP BUYING ALL THE CHINESE MADE PRODUCTS “THEY ARE SHOWING WHAT THEY REALLY ARE”.
    sTOP BUYING FOREIGN GAS. BOYCOTT ANYTHING THAT IS NOT AMERICAN MADE (THIS WILL BE HARD). CLOSE OUR BORDERS AND DO NOT LET ANY FOREIGNERS ENTER OUR COUNTRY. DOES THIS SOUND DRASTIC? OUR YOU READY TO TAKE THE COUNTRY BACK? ARE YOU READY TO GET RID OF THE COMMUNIST IMPOSTOR IN THE WHITE HOUSE? ONE QUESTION STILL REMAINS IN THE BACK OF MY HEAD… WHEN THOSE MORONS PROTESTED ABOUT A FALLEN BROTHER IN ARMS, WHAT WAS DONE ABOUT IT? WHEN THAT MORON PROTESTER BURNED THE FLAG OF MY COUNTRY…WHAT WAS DONE ABOUT IT? WORDS ARE NOT ENOUGH!!! HOT LEAD AND BODY COUNT IS WHAT MADE AMERICA WHAT IT WAS!!!

  • “JAVOPE”

    Rob Rob Rob

    From Rob: Why are you presuming to “explain” what others feel.

    I was speaking about it because I use to be one of those others.
    since you have taken it personally I wounder why you have such anger.
    That was in answer to your question.

    This is in answer to your next statement.
    If we had met, would I still be presumed lying by you?

    Next thing;
    Tell me truly who among us has met most of America.
    If I had said I had met most of America then I most certainly would be lying, but I didn’t say I did, You only inferred I did.

    As far as you saying I am making it up, their is no way I could make up such a great thing to enjoy.

    When I mentioned Matthew:7 it is about asking: how can you see to take a splinter out of another person’s eye, when you can’t even see for the log in your own eye.

    Wo Wo Wo I am not attacking you saying this, I am only saying what you may never read. Unless you are brave enough to read Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth. the BIBLE

    I never said you were afraid of any thing, but I know that if a man says he is not afraid of anything he is either lying or worse a fool.

    Last but not least he is our God not just my God.

    Rob: live long and prosper!

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    Westboro Baptist does have 1st Amendment rights, just like myself and all other Baptists, as well as other Christian denominations. Of course we can see Westboro abuses its rights, as in the case of what happened in Tucson last week. We oppose abortion, LGBT rights and the rest of the leftwing statists’ agenda. However, we are against evil, not evil doers. The Bible tells us that ‘all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.’ But our mission is to spread the Good News. Reading scriptures like John 3:16, we know that anyone who accepts Christ as savior CAN and WILL be saved. For the past 35 years, I’ve attended and visited well over a dozen Baptist and other fundamental Bible churches. Some of these churches, and their members, may be more rigid than others. However, none of these were even close to being as zealous, fanatical, judgmental or mean spirited as Westboro Baptist. Certainly, Westboro’s nasty attitude is no way to win lost souls to our Lord!!

    It’s also important to point out that the churches I’ve attended do tell us to respect elected officials, although we can disagree with their policies and have the right to vote them out. The churches even frown upon persons like myself for name calling (E.g., saying BH Odumbo or Obummer, NYC Mayor Bloomturd, etc.) That’s hard for me to adhere to, given the immoral leftwing regime we’ve seen in Washington the past couple years, as well as the liberal politics here in New York. Thus I often try to place the blame on voters instead, for their foolish errors of electing and re-electing corrupt liberal politicians that should be defeated as we exercise our right and duty at the polls. A GOOD POINT HERE: Why blame Christians for violence such as what we saw in Tucson?? Most Christians don’t even condone name calling, much less assassination or assassination attempts!! Like myself, they just tell us to vote more wisely!!

    Also, have you noticed how Westboro Baptist gets so much attention from the leftists and their allies in the liberal lame stream media?? My guess is that these anti-Christian anti-Semitic leftwing libs probably want to paint all Christians and Jews with the same brush as Westboro. (Yet they get so touchy when people judge all Muslims as enemies and terrorists!!) Believe me, I’d be no more willing to join Westboro Baptist than any liberal church which sides with today’s corrupt morally bankrupt Democrap Party!! Westboro gives all of us a bad name!!

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