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Supreme Court Hears Case That May Impact The Future Of Big Pharma

October 20, 2010 by  

Supreme Court hears case that may impact the future of big pharmaAn important case is being heard before the Supreme Court that could determine big pharmaceutical companies' liability for unintended effects of their vaccines, and perhaps even drive them from the market. 

The suit was brought by parents of an 18-year-old Pittsburgh girl who they claim suffered seizures from a vaccine produced by Wyeth, now owned by Pfizer, which she received as a child, according to The Associated Press.

However, the plaintiffs' case is opposed by many public health organizations — which fear it may stem medical research — as well as the Obama administration. They argue that by establishing the Office of Special Masters of the U.S. Court of Federal Claims, also known as vaccine court, in 1986, Congress has effectively protected pharmaceutical companies from similar lawsuits.

A lower court in Philadelphia already ruled in favor of Wyeth, but many of the Supreme Court justices are said to be sympathetic to the parents' claims. The final appeal takes place amid allegations — which have not yet been scientifically proven — that some vaccines may cause autism in susceptible children. 

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  • s c

    I wasn’t aware that it was possible for the government to protect Big Pharma and take care of the American people at the same time. It is so nice to be loved and respected and protected. What would we do if our government didn’t love and respect and protect us?

    • dan az

      Live a normal life span!

      • Kate8

        dan az, good one!

  • chris az

    Can’t say I disagree. The government is not looking out for us. If they were, they would abolish the FDA. The FDA protects big pharma interests (I.e. profits) by limiting competition. There is no interest in cures or inexpensive or natural treatments, as many are not patentable, and they are not profitible. Accordong to the FDA, ONLY drugs can cure a disease. In order to be called a drug, it takes 80 million in “scientific testing.” Pure hogwash!

    • Nina

      I don’t fully disagree but you also have to know that the attorneys out there are sure going to be willing to sue anyone that hasn’t had research done. We have created a mired down system…I do agree that the FDA is in the pocket of Big Pharma but we have to figure out a better way of dealing with the entire issue.

      • alpha-lemming

        No doubt the system is mired, expensive and occasionaly counter-productive. Remember Thalidomide? It was a highly efficient sedative and, to my knowledge, still the only substance of this type that was impossible to OD on. You can kill yourself on every other sedative prior to and since its’ development. But of course, due to its’ highly teratogenic nature, and the resulting “flipper babies”, was taken off the market for everyone. It could still be useful today (pregnant ladies shouldn’t even be allowed to handle the bottle) for many people but….

      • s c

        Nina, career criminals also have teams of lawyers. Are you aware that “scientific” research is created, manipulated and pre-packaged BEFORE a product reaches the market? The fact that something has some research behind it is irrelevant. What matters is the QUALITY of that research.
        ‘Convenient’ research equals fast money (and lives put in danger). Quality research equals safety, confidence – and a Big Pharma that knows the American people are constantly watching the money-grubbing, miserable, citizen-hating SOBs.

        • Kate8

          s c, So true. It actually takes around $600million to bring a drug through ‘testing’, get FDA approval and to the market. All it requires to ‘prove’ a drug is to show a single marker. Never mind any other issues with it.

          By the time the lawsuits start coming in for harm or death, many billions have been made, and the few million it costs them in settlements is pocket change. They’ve still garnered huge profits.

          Big Pharma is there for only 2 reasons: Systematically reduce the population, and rake in enormous profits while doing it.

          • Mike In MI

            K88 -

            There’s a third reason, too. One of the most horrible things they do is make sure politicians who have no regard for their constituents or other Americans get piles of money. That helps them fight off political opposition from statesmen who might interfere with Big Pharma’s control of FDA and their access to special deals with high drug prices for use in government agecies and programs paid for by taxayers. Besides that they only get legislative insulation from responsibility for damage done by their toxic products. After all the doctors need those products to make people sicker and coming back for more “care” – no cures, but “care”.

          • Kate8

            Mike – So true. Also true is that you get ‘care’ as far as some kind of treatment, and they ‘care’ about getting paid, but they ‘care’ not at all about you. Medical ‘care’ is totally impersonal.

            Of course they would have to be detached emotionally, since what they are giving is really going to make you sicker. If they really ‘cared’ about you, they’d go nuts after awhile. It’s a self-protection thing.

            Doctors to have a very high rate of depression and suicide.

          • Mike In MI

            Aye, K88 -
            You’ve got the picture squared, in focus and the right light on the subject.

            I’ve worked in the system and with caring people who have intimate knowledge of these matters. These educated people have enough innate intelligence to learn and know the intricacies of these matters (although it’s impossible for the human mind to integrate everything about everything in our body). So, either they were purposely kept ignorant or they choose not to learn the new stuff and claim to be too busy to change and integrate their strengths and abilities with other systems of care. Nobody can do it all.

            That’s why it only makes perfect sense to me to feed the body the necessary nutrients and then do everything possible to keep the systems working together in harmonization. That’s the job of the nervous system and only one health provider type makes any attempt to tend to that and that is chiropractic. It isn’t perfected, yet, but it’s improving by leaps and bounds compared to what it used to be. Just stay away from the ones who want to prescribe medications. They never learned or paid attention to the important parts in Chiro. College. So, they can’t get results. Also, be wary of the ones who like to hear lots of noise. Noise doesn’t mean a damn thing.
            If you drive down the road at 50 mph and hit a tree your spine is going to make lots of noise, all at once. Doesn’t mean it is going to do one bit of good for you. Noise is no criterion for anything. Moving the vertebra the brain wants moved usually is silent. If the Dr. doesn’t know how to find it, find somebody else. Results will follow and there are quick, simple tests to know.

    • Joyce from Loris

      Yes, and don’t forget! FDA now claims that obesity, drug dependency, etc. are “diseases”. So, anything that can “cure” them, must be a drug approved by and regulated by the FDA.

    • 45caliber

      I believe the FDA has ALMOST outlived its usefullness. When it was established, they found a lot of problems and corrected them. But now, they basically are too large – at least in researchers who sit in an office all day.

      What they really need right now are people to inspect all the crap we are getting from other countries to identify problems such as lead paint on toys. But that means the researchers might have to move out of their comfort zones. The research isn’t really being done – it is done soley to keep up their money from the government. When some researcher feeds a rat enough of something to kill it many times over due to lack of real food, that doesn’t prove the item is truly a threat. Saccharin for instance was ruled a carcinogen – but for someone to get enough of it, they would have to drink about 160 cases of sodas a day to get the same equivalent amount as they fed the poor rats. And if they did that, the excess water would kill them.

      • Mike In MI

        Oh Hell, 45cal. -
        FDA isn’t there to protect anybody but the pharmaceutical and medical implement companies and attack healthful products manufacturers.

  • JIM

    THE FDA ONLY PROTECTS THE PROFITS OF THE BIG PHARMA. THEY PUT PROFITS IN FRONT OF LIES

    • pennsyltuckian

      Jim, you are a true liberal fool. Without big pharma lifespans would still be 40-50 years, there would be no protection against polio, diphtheria, mumps, measles, chicken pox, rabies, tetanus or any of the other dreaded diseases people in the US and most countries are free from. Do you really want to give that up because of unproven claims from scumbag trial lawyers in it for the money who have NO scientific proof for their ridiculous claims but rely on stupid gullible jurors to win. My kids were vaccinated, they will vaccinate theirs. Feel free to let yours die of otherwise preventable diseases because you don’t want the drug companies to make money. Brilliant idea.

      • Karolyn

        Pennsyltuckian – You called Jim a “liberal fool.” I think I would call you an uneducated consumer. Yes, many years ago drugs were introduced that got rid of diseases. Have you seen that happen lately? No! Why would they want to cure cancer and AIDS when they would lose money without those diseases. They influence Congress into banning natural methods, and then come up with their own brand. People are on so many medications that when they die you can’t even tell what killed them – the disease or the drugs. The only way to stop this madness is to educate the public. A good immune system can handle anything. The body was meant to heal itself given the right conditions. The influence of Big Pharma is truly frightening. I suggest you visit mercola.com for more information. Dr. Mercola is well-informed on the topic. There is much to be said for Chinese medicine and folk remedies. They’ve been around a long time for some reason. I would not call a lawyer fighting for a sick child a “scumbag.’

        • Marten

          100% with you Karolyna,but you’ll have to unplug the f*** T.V.

      • Mike In MI

        pennsyldickian -

        It must be great to be so happy in your hogwashed euphoria. The good thing is their ministrations to your diseases will render you sterile and short-lived from the pollutants in their vaccines and poisons in their medications. Thus your lack of progeny will no further contaminate the gene pool and your quick demise will shortly eliminate your further influence on the rest of us.
        In the first place, the “scientists” co-opted under BigPharma’s “research” efforts know enough about human health and physiology to be able to design the studies and protocols so as to predetermine that the data will show as conclusions what they desire to “prove” from their “research”. That way everything looks real elegant and kosher and will pass the smell tests and FDA certification requirements. Like Karolyn said, the products end up used in medical procedures and therapeutics as long as possible until the damage to human health is discovered via bad reactions and deaths. Then they get a slap on the wrist and a negligible fine (pocket change to them).
        Get used to it. In lots of places in our world “science” is for sale to the highest bidder. Too often, “scientists” are bought to produce research that “proves” what the buyer wants or, else, the scientist goes hungry.
        As for people living longer due to medicine – that’s a sales job. Last century when they ushered in high sanitation standards and improved the dietary nutritional quality longevity increased independent of people’s access to medical care. They do it for many third world areas today.
        One of the best ways to protect oneself from disease is eat colorful fruits, dark green veggies, beans, cracked seeds (especially flax seeds) and certain fish. With that make sure you take Vitamin D3 every MORNING at about 4,000-6,000 IU quantities. If you do that (especilly the Vit D3) you can make your immune system nearly impervious to disease causing organisms. It doesn’t matter if they are drug resistant or not.
        Otherwise, finding a close-knit Biblical group has a powerful healthy influence. Besides that, stay away from practicing homosexuality (it wrecks your immunity – that’s why they’re so sck.)

        • Kate8

          Mike – Well said.

          Now, though, we have to be careful where we obtain our fresh produce, since it’s all being irradiated and GMO. They’re determined to undermine our health on all fronts. If they succeed, soon these adulterated phudes will be all we can get, especially if they succeed in outlawing backyard gardens. Another reason they want us off the land.

          When the famine hits, when the stores shelves are empty or you can’t afford to buy what they offer, there will be the food lines where you can get phude to feed your kids. All you have to do is get a little chip…

          • Christin

            Kate8,

            “phude”…? Is that “phoney food” from evil gov?
            (Did you make that term up, Kate?)

            What ever happened to “NO TRESPASSING”? My land, my hard work, my garden, my food… I pay taxes on it, I have surface rights don’t I?

            No “chip” or Mark of the Beast (666) for me and my family.
            “As for me and my house we will serve the Lord” Joshua 24 : 15.

          • Kate8

            Christin – No, I didn’t make up the term ‘phude’. It’s being used to describe the GMO abominations they are force-feeding us. Don’t know where it originated.

            Remember, under socialism and communism there is no private property. Look at all the people losing their land already. With rising prices and rising taxes, this will become more and more widespread, until we are all either in FEMA camps or stacked up in honeycombs.

            I’m with ya on ‘NO CHIP’. Just have a plan for when your kids are hungry.

          • Christin

            Kate8,
            Well, I guess using the term “phude” sure lets us know it’s not “food”, right?!
            What a shame it has come to this. :(

            And I guess I forgot about no private ownership of land or anything really under communism.
            What a shame it has come to this. :(

            NO, NO,NO to the FEMA camps… rapture comes first, hopefully or shoot out and die, maybe.
            Again it is a shame it has come to this. :(

            We have been planning for our kids, believe me, but even the best laid plans sometimes go south.
            I surrender to God.

        • Christin

          Mike in MI,
          Vitamin D3 is very good and necessary… we all take extra supplements of it, even my boys (but not in that high of a dose. I get headaches from all the sups. We take our D3 and Calcium at night for a good nights sleep.) I am told it keeps cancer cells from growing as well.

          Vitamin C is also very good and necessary for optimum health… in high doses it is a natural antibiotic. We take Emergency-C a couple times a week, but you can buy “Potent C” to take stronger doses.

          FYI, we have found when one of us gets sick with a “virus” that we can take “L-Lysine” (amino acid) 500 mg a day for a few days or so to get well.
          I learned that from a veterinarian, yes I said vet, because one of our new kittens got high fever and became very sick twice and the vet said this cat would be probably be sick with a repeating virus all her life and I could give her Lysine every day or 20-30 days on and 20-30 days off to keep her well. At six months she is doing fine.

          • Mike In MI

            Hey, Christ in, thanks for the question -
            I have been taught that Vitamin D3 is actually a type of hormone needed by every system in the body. It is best to take it in the morning or before 3:00 pm. Why?
            Vit D3 is something that has an opposite chemical that when it encounters it they react, producing a poison. So, the body cycles these two chemicals in and out of the bloodstream, in mornings and evenings. Thus they can’t meet and react.
            Vitamin D3 is produced in the skin during the day under sun exposure. So, it needs to be available during the day. Toward evening your body hides it away in various places.
            Then, it brings the other chemical out of hiding and it does its job all night. Then it goes and hides again. Voila!, no poisons, no problems and the jobs of these chemicals gets done – and you don’t even have to think about it.
            What a great God to devise and give us such an intricately perfected and wonderfully crafted body…HUH?
            That’s why I take my Vitamin D3 in the morning. It does its job, doesn’t produce a toxin and I get my money’s worth out of what I take.

          • Christin

            Mike in MI,
            Thanks for the explanation of how D3 works and when to take… I didn’t know that.
            We’ll try the mornings and see how that works out.
            Thanks for your input.

    • Carole Howell

      I have read articles which say proves thermesol (spelling maybe wrong) a mercury based preservative does cause Autism, you do have the right to ask for a vaccine that does not contain it for your children.

      They say a vaccine against Hepatitis give to babies at birth equal the FDA’s own safty amount for a 250 pound man.

      Science has already proven that Mammograms cause breast cancer, that also stands to reason, keep zapping them with radiation and they will start growing malformed cells. They argue ‘Yes but they catch cancer’ well yes and after they caused it.

      They do not do Mammograms in Europe and haven’t for a long time now.

  • JIM

    WITH BIG PHARMA PROFITS ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN LIVES

    • Mike In MI

      Jim -
      The PigPharma’s couldn’t have much influence if it weren’t for a bunch of compliant pushers who like to walk around with stethescopes draped over their necks. There are some really good, health cure providers to be found but they are not liked by their “peers”. It doesn’t help a friendship if one side gets a guilty conscience from the other.
      If you find a good integrative or alternative doc you’ve got a gem. Recommend them and protect them.

      • Kate8

        Mike, I know some of those integrative doctors, and even MDs who’ve gone completely alternative. They are treated as rogues, drummed out of the medical community and denigrated by them.

        Of course, their practices are thriving and people love them. They can hardly handle the patient load. People are seeking these doctors out, even though they have to pay out of pocket (insurances won’t usually cover their treatments).

  • Cecilio

    This will be a great opportunity to see – and prove – where the two new appointees (Sotomayor and Kagan)place themselves. Will they protect Obama? Remember, Obama is tied to Big Pharma through the universal health care law. My money is that they will do just that… shamelessly!

  • Joyce from Loris

    Physician, heal thyself.

  • FlaJim

    It’s difficult to believe that pharmceutical companies would be deliberately harming their customers. Eventually, they’d be out of business if too many people were harmed – either because there would be a lot of dead, or word spread.

    The market is the best place for this to be decided.

    Keep in mind that the average lifespan has increased in the past 100 years by 80% and new drugs are a major contributing cause.

    BTW, I’m not connected with the drug industry in any way, shape, or form.

    • Kate8

      FlaJim, Apparently you are not aware that the #1 cause of death in the US is death by doctor!

      Look at the lines of people funneling through the chemo and radiation treatment clinics. They suffer horribly for the time they have left, yet they still go through the motions, while their life savings are exhausted.

      We have been so thoroughly brainwashed as to the infallibility of the medical community, even though the evidence is clearly otherwise. Any natural, lifesaving, health restoring approaches are persecuted and prosecuted.

      We’ve been conditioned not to think and act for ourselves, but to submit to and rely on the ‘experts’. The whole premise on which allopathic medicine is built is faulty (as a healing modality) and purely profit-driven. It is disease management, utterly convincing people that some things are ‘incurable’ and their fate is sealed.

      People are slowly coming out of this stupor, but like everything else going on in this nation, the ride is getting rougher.

      • Christin

        Kate8,
        It is hard to swallow the truth about medicine and those (Pharma, Researchers w/ gov grants, FDA, Gov, Doctors tied to pharm medicine, Progressive Eugentics) that wish us ill (dead and poor) as we come out of the stupor.

        As far a vaccines and childhood imunizations are concerned I would say some children and their body systems “are susceptable” to adverse effects: autism and possibly ADHD and further accurate research would give us some insite. I’m sure the “mercury” used as a preservative doesn’t help.

        • Kate8

          Christin, There are NO safe levels of mercury, even for an adult. You can imagine the effects on children and their developing bodies and brains.

          I wonder how many potentially brilliant minds suffered reduced IQ because of mercury. It is one of the 5 most toxic substances known on Earth, right along with lead. Yet, lead is a big deal and mercury is not. What’s up with that?

          • 45caliber

            I remember being given a couple of pounds of mercury as a toy as a child. I played with that stuff for months. Every time I poured it from one hand to the other, some was absorbed. In fact, by the time I got through playing, the skin on my hands had a silver gleam.

            I’m not saying mercury is safe – but I am saying that it is safer than the press gives it. Mercury is like many other things. It can be lethal to one person but harmless to many others.

            What we are in is a government mandated system that takes the worst case scenario and mandates laws for all. I’m not totally sure we SHOULD vaccinate since it keeps alive those who would otherwise die from the diseases. And they pass down their lack of immunity to their children and so on. Sooner or later we are ALL succeptible to the disease.

            Take small pox for instance. About 90% of the victims died from it. In Indian tribes it was even worse. But there were some who didn’t die. And their kids generally couldn’t even catch it. But now, today, if small pox was released, we’d probably all die from it.

          • 45caliber

            Lead is another of those “toxic” things that not everyone is succeptable to dying from. The last person in the US to die from lead poisoning was a 50-something electrician who developed lead poisoning from chewing lead-impregnated insulation from wires. He had chewed that for over thirty years before it built up enough to cause him problems. Further, he was the first to die in many years before that.

            Some of the street corners at busy intersections have over 3.5% lead due to the leaded gas we once used. But the government ignores it because they know that kids aren’t going to die from it. It would require government money to clean up that they don’t want to spend.

            Go for arsenic or something like that as toxic. The RCRA laws the government has says that anything is toxic if it harms ANYONE or if the government says it’s toxic. It doesn’t have to be. But they use the rare cases to make their case for all. And also, it can be toxic for some non-human life form but not human to be on the list.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            45caliber,
            Lead may not kill the kids but it can and in most cases will stunt their mental growth. Proven fact!

          • Christin

            Kate8,
            I might have been one of those brilliant minds (just kidding) as I , like 45 caliber, played with mercury when I was little. My Mom had a small white box that I found in the dining room buffet drawer with little silver balls in it that sometimes came together as one big ball and sometimes split into smaller balls when they hit the sides of the box. I touched it a little and my Mom finally told me it was mercury, but she wasn’t alarmed that I has been playing with it.

          • Kate8

            Christin, Yes, I remember the ‘quicksilver’ as a child, as well.

            It won’t necessarily kill you in those amounts, but it does brain damage. And it stores in the body until you do something to pull it out, which is another story.

            It causes things like ultra-sensitivity to all stimulus (noises, pain receptors, smells, etc.), mental impairment, right in to more serious things like tremors and severe neurological damage.

            Apparently, the biggest danger is in the vapor it puts off, so the more you inhale, the worse it is. Of course, an injection slams it right into the bloodstream.

            When my sister became very ill, I told her to get tested for heavy metals (she was in the Army and required to get all kinds of vaccinations, including yearly flu shots). Her mercury was very high, along with other metals.

            She had chelation and is now doing well.

            BTW, I just heard that the FDA is making chelation treatments illegal.

          • Christin

            Kate8,
            Gubberment is getting rid of everything GOOD.

        • Robert S

          This morning in the Record newspaper they had an article about doctors earnings from Pharmaceutical Companies. Some doctors were earning $250,000 or more for prescribing their drugs.

  • Henry Ledbetter

    After a knee replacement two months ago my wife has developed reflex sympathetic dystrophy ( R.S,D). We have found out that the one thing that might help her is (H.B.OT). hyperbaric oxygen therapy. The nearest hospital with a chamber is 100 miles away but they won’t treat her because R.S.D. DOES NOT COME UNDER F.D.A. approved illinesse to be treated with oxygen. In fact only 14 out of 55 things that could be helped by H.B.O.T THERAPY CAN BE TREATED AT ANY HOSPITAL THAT RECEIVES ANY GOVERNMENT MONEY. Pure oxygen has no side effects and is not addictive as is all manufactered drugs that big Pharma and the F.D.A. PUSH. WAKE UP AMERICA,. WE HAVE BEEN HAD. Henry

    • Kate8

      Henry, Hyperbaric oxygen helps, but O2 is too stable. You need the more volatile forms, as in O3 or greater (ozone).

      If it were me, I’d buy a good ozone generator, attach quarter inch tubing, and pump it into a body bag while lying in it for up to an hour twice daily (be sure to wrap a towel around the neck so you aren’t breathing it directly). I’d also take some good oxygenating drops, increasing the dosage every couple of days for a while.

      There are some alternative doctors who have equipment to do this, if you want to pay someone. That is, unless they’ve already been shut down by BigBro. But you don’t need a hospital. You can do it better yourself.

      • Michael

        For many years “antioxidants” were considered wonderfully good things. This is the first I have heard that anyone would deliberately immerse himself in ozone, a particularly aggressive oxidizer.

        • Kate8

          Michael, Ozone is a powerful oxygenator. It increases oxygen levels in the body, and anaerobic pathogens cannot live in high oxygen.

          I know a man who quickly cured himself of end-stage leukemia with ozone.

  • pennsyltuckian

    OK all you liberal fools who want to blame someone for every possible bad outcome. Why not return to the 18th century with no drugs, all ‘natural’ remedies and a 50 year life span. Only when the people in this country realize that all bad things are not caused by others and accept that everything in life will not go their way will this country be great again. Everything bad is NOT someone else’s fault. Bad things happen. Live with it and stop crying to the scumbag trial lawyers.

    • s c

      P, you seem to have a major problem with political
      identification today. Do you know what a liberal is?
      This website attracts socialists, communists, progressives and home-grown Nazis, but for some reason you want to label some people as liberals when you don’t have a clue about the term.
      I’d like to assume that you’re not a socialist, communist, progressive or a home-grown Nazi, but that ‘l’ word keeps coming out of your mouth. Kindly get your terms straight, or take a pill, return to your cave and/or disappear, P. Re-read your own words, chum.

    • divemaster5734

      P, you must be living in a cave. I am a Constitutionalist. Oby is a commie and Bush is a Fascist. They both are crap, and anyone that supports either one of them is an idiot.
      Try your own research, all the natural treatments are being outlawed by our stinking collectivist government, and they are trying to buy loyalty with their entitlements.
      When will all you people wake up and realize we have been had from “both” sides for a very long time.

    • Antiliberalism

      I don’t think it is liberals who resist vaccinations, but those who have done a bit of research on the matter. For example, do you know that anti-bodies do not equate to immunity? There is far more to the immune system that creating anti-bodies (some rare people do not create anti-bodies at all, yet build immunity to illnesses… go figure). Basically, if a vaccine causes one to produce anti-bodies, it is said to be effective. Note that they are careful in the terms used. Vaccine “efficacy” is what you’ll see in literature. This does not equate to “effectiveness”, outside it’s effectiveness at triggering anti-body production.

      If you track the death rate of “childhood” diseases vaccinated against from 1900 to today, you will see something very interesting. The death rate reduced roughly 90% overall (varies a bit by disease) BEFORE VACCINES WERE EVEN INTRODUCED. If you look on the WHO or CDC websites, you will only see a chart of 1950ish to present (and yes, there were further reductions after vaccinations were introduced, but were vaccines really the reason for even the small reduction after they were introduced?… maybe, maybe not).

      Most childhood diseases are not dangerous to most children. If you have a healthy child that is well nourished, their odds of complications from Measles, Mumps, etc. is virtually nil. Their odds of even catching it is vanishingly close to zero as it is. The risks, however, of vaccinations – particularly given the sheer number of shots they are scheduled for today, and the age at which they start – are very real, and in the worse cases, permanent. And we really don’t know what the long term consequences will be. In the short-term, there is the risk of “hot lots” of vaccines, even if the vaccine normally wouldn’t cause harm.

      Questioning vaccines, however, is not being anti-drug. Taking big pharma and the FDA to task for not adequately protecting our children is a pretty big deal, and deserves its day in court.

      • Joseph C Moore, USN Ret

        You are absolutely right. The pro big government, pharma zealots are a brainwashed lot unable to study, reason and conclude autonomously as to the effectiveness of such treatments. Diseases have largely been eradicated by sanitary measures taken rather than by vaccines. Immunity is best acquired by natural exposure while maintaining a healthy immune system.

        • Michael

          I was going to challenge how you know so much, but I won’t challenge a Chief, as I am one myself. We have our ways of knowing things.

      • Michael

        I have been vaccinated; my children have been vaccinated. I believe in liberty; your freedom to choose NOT to be vaccinated — then let Natural Selection choose the next generation.

        Still, there’s an argument for mandatory vaccinations for schools. If I have a very tidy lawn with only grass, I do not need herbicide for any reason. But if my neighbor’s yard is nothing but dandelions and morning glory, how long will it be before my yard is seeded with weeds? Not long at all.

        Boosting immunity is what vaccination does. It is not a total preventer, not even of the diseases for which you have been vaccinated. If you get more germs or viruses than your body can handle, you get the disease, even if you have been vaccinated.

        Science seems to get disrespected in this crowd and that is unfortunate. It plays into the accusations by the left that the right is nothing but idiots.

        It is absolutely clear that immunizations have been one of the greatest discoveries of the past thousand years. Does it mean that people live that otherwise would have died? Indeed it does; and I hope y’all wonder whether you would have been one of the survivors.

    • Kate8

      pennsyl, The main reason for the increase in health in the US today is not drugs. It’s cleaner water and better hygiene.

      Watch that change as we revert to living in overcrowding and third world conditions.

  • Dave from Ohio

    The final appeal takes place amid allegations — which have not yet been scientifically proven — that some vaccines may cause autism in susceptible children.

    How can any court, let alone the Supreme Court, act on an unproven claim?

    • Kate8

      Dave, The evidence supporting that they cause autism is greater and far more convincing than the ‘proof’ it takes to get these vaccines on the market.

      And it’s not just full-blown autism. It is also milder damage, such as decreased IQ, short attention span, immunilogical impairment, neurological problems, digestive issues…

      There are also infants who’ve quickly developed liver failure from the Hepatitis B vaccine given in the first hours of life. And this is a disease they have nearly zero risk of developing in childhood.

  • Dave from Ohio

    Maybe the drug company could return sue that the unproven drunkenness (unproven) of the mother during the pregnancy is the cause of the autism and should be required to pay for all the legal costs and costs for studies by the drug company.

  • Deanna

    Vaccines do carry risk of harm – as do all drugs. (Surely you’ve heard the list of side effects rattled off during every drug commercial!) And I think our children are over-vaccinated. They get something like 69 vaccinations throughout their childhood – many at the same time. The scary thing is… no studies have been performed to determine the safety of multiple vaccinations at once. And many vaccines (and drugs) are pushed through so quickly that studies aren’t even completed before they’re on the market. When it comes to vaccines and new drugs, we’re all guinea pigs, people. And the bottom line for Big Pharma and the FDA is money.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Deanna,
      here was a company in Adrian called Aqua Broam that go a go ahead from the government to produce tubing for dialisis machines under a new process and formula. Now remember this was government approved. The process was stared and within days, almost everybody came down with dermatis! Had this government approved tubing made i to the marke, it would have surely killed a high number of he people it was supposed to treat!!!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        To all, please excuse my posts tonight as my “t” key is not functioning well!!

  • Carl T Johnson

    We Know and history will prove that these unintended effects ARE IN FACT INTENDED! It is called EUGENICS!
    There are ways to safe gard those most supseptable. It is called the bloodtype/genotype sciences by Dr DaDamo at eatright4yourtype.com

  • Dave M

    If immunization vaccines were so harmless then why do many doctors wait until their kids are at least 5 years old before letting them take the shots? Flu vaccines are the biggest joke yet.

  • http://www.catherinejfrompovich.com Catherine J Frompovich

    I’m a consumer health researcher who attended the FDA’s vaccine committee meeting in Rockville, MD, Sept. 2-3, 2010. Here are some of the comments I’ve written about what I heard there. Please judge for yourself about FDA and the vaccine issue.
    Human Papillomavirus Vaccine Claims
    HPV vaccine claims are second only to H1N1 flu claims in 2009-10, according to the stats I heard at the FDA meeting. HPV vaccine claims originate from vaccinations given to teenage girls supposedly to prevent cervical cancer, which is not true; the vaccine prevents infection from only 2-4 strains of the papillomarivus! What scare tactics are employed to sell vaccines such as Gardasil® and Cervarix®! However, many girls have died as a result of those vaccines and others are damaged for life. Please visit
    http://www.truthaboutgardasil.org for an enlightening web site on the unfortunate adverse side effects of HPV vaccines: the Gardasil® girls.

    Pregnancy Problems Resulting from 2009 H1N1 Vaccinations
    Certainly you value truthful statements and facts. Well, how would you have reacted at that September 2nd meeting if you would have heard an FDA associate medical doctor say there were no adverse effects to pregnant women and strongly encouraged their being vaccinated? Two or three minutes later, a member from the public presented her impressive discourse citing 178 VAERS reports of spontaneous abortions and/or deaths from pregnant women receiving the flu vaccine. It is patently ridiculous that an FDA physician would not know about the CDC’s VAERS reporting system statistics. Furthermore, to compound the issue, I have all 178 VAERS case numbers, if you would like to have them to check for yourself. Please ask and I will provide them. I think if you review them, you would experience either an ah-ha moment or an epiphany regarding the spin on vaccines/vaccinations that is being perpetrated upon the healthcare consumer.

    Adjuvants in Vaccines
    One of the most dangerous aspects of vaccines is adjuvants, those ingredients that are used to ‘enhance’ the immune system. They ususally include mercury (Thimerosal), which is a neurotoxin and still is present in multiple/combination vaccines. How come mercury can be injected into an infant—or anyone for that matter—when 18 mcg in tuna fish is considered toxic? Many vaccines contain 25 mcg and upwards. Formaldehyde, a U.S. EPA-recognized carcinogen, routinely is injected with vaccines. Gelatin and MSG, both serious allergens, often in numerous milligrams are injected with vaccines. There are serious physiological differences and reactions between injected and ingested ingredients that are not considered by vaccinologists. Even though FDA may consider gelatin and MSG ‘safe’, nothing can be further from the truth if one is allergic to them and is mandated to receive them via vaccination. How inhumane is that, I ask. Injecting them causes brain and central nervous system problems.

    There are 7 pages of Vaccine Excipient & Media Summary information for U.S. Licensed Vaccines. You may be surprised to find aluminum, antibiotics, MRC-5 cellular protein (aborted human fetal cells or diploid cells), polysorbate 80 (causes infertility in rats), and all kinds of animal cells in addition to either the killed or attenuated virus. Vaccines are a mixture of ‘potential health problems’ in a syringe. There are laws about shooting cocaine and other toxins into one’s body; how come vaccines are exempt when they, too, cause overwhelming harm in many people.
    For a totally outstanding expose of how FDA is inadequate in protecting the health consumer, read the new book The Risks of Prescription Drugs, Donald W. Light, PhD, Ed., Columbia University Press, available on Amazon.com. Please educate yourself about what you don’t know, America!

    Human Papillomavirus Vaccine Claims
    HPV vaccine claims are second only to H1N1 flu claims in 2009-10, according to the stats I heard at the FDA meeting. HPV vaccine claims originate from vaccinations given to teenage girls supposedly to prevent cervical cancer, which is not true; the vaccine prevents infection from only 2-4 strains of the papillomarivus! What scare tactics are employed to sell vaccines such as Gardasil® and Cervarix®! However, many girls have died as a result of those vaccines and others are damaged for life. Please visit
    http://www.truthaboutgardasil.org for an enlightening web site on the unfortunate adverse side effects of HPV vaccines: the Gardasil® girls.

    Pregnancy Problems Resulting from 2009 H1N1 Vaccinations
    Certainly you value truthful statements and facts. Well, how would you have reacted at that September 2nd meeting if you would have heard an FDA associate medical doctor say there were no adverse effects to pregnant women and strongly encouraged their being vaccinated? Two or three minutes later, a member from the public presented her impressive discourse citing 178 VAERS reports of spontaneous abortions and/or deaths from pregnant women receiving the flu vaccine. It is patently ridiculous that an FDA physician would not know about the CDC’s VAERS reporting system statistics. Furthermore, to compound the issue, I have all 178 VAERS case numbers, if you would like to have them to check for yourself. Please ask and I will provide them. I think if you review them, you would experience either an ah-ha moment or an epiphany regarding the spin on vaccines/vaccinations that is being perpetrated upon the healthcare consumer.

    Adjuvants in Vaccines
    One of the most dangerous aspects of vaccines is adjuvants, those ingredients that are used to ‘enhance’ the immune system. They ususally include mercury (Thimerosal), which is a neurotoxin. How come mercury can be injected into an infant—or anyone for that matter—when 18 mcg in tuna fish is considered toxic? Many vaccines contain 25 mcg and upwards. Formaldehyde, a U.S. EPA-recognized carcinogen, routinely is injected with vaccines. Gelatin and MSG, both serious allergens, often in numerous milligrams are injected with vaccines. There are serious physiological differences and reactions between injected and ingested ingredients that are not considered by vaccinologists. Even though FDA may consider gelatin and MSG ‘safe’, nothing can be further from the truth if one is allergic to them and is mandated to receive them via vaccination. How inhumane is that, I ask. Injecting them causes brain and central nervous system problems.

    I enclose 7 pages of Vaccine Excipient & Media Summary information for U.S. Licensed Vaccines. You may be surprised to find aluminum, antibiotics, MRC-5 cellular protein (aborted human fetal cells or diploid cells), polysorbate 80 (causes infertility in rats), and all kinds of animal cells in addition to either the killed or attenuated virus. Vaccines are a mixture of ‘potential health problems’ in a syringe. There are laws about shooting cocaine and other toxins into one’s body; how come vaccines are exempt when they, too, cause overwhelming harm in many people. I think the court must take that into consideration if it wants to be equitable in its ruling.
    Catherine J Frompovich / Consumer Health Research (35 years)

    • Christin

      Catherine,
      You have done your homework… thank you for sharing.

      I was told by my son’s nutritionist that if one vaccine shot was dropped and broken in the doctor’s office that poison control would have to come in to clean up and dispose of the toxic injection remains…

      …so why are we shooting it into our kids (and their parents)?
      Something sounds a little funny guys. Make the new babies sick and diminished in some way and in need of medical help their whole life.

    • eddie47d

      Catherine:Since most vitamins and pharmacy pills (capsules) are coated with Gelatin are they safe or do they have allergens in them?

  • Jennifer

    I am a healthcare worker. We had to get a hepatitis B vaccination. Hepatitis B as understand it is a blood/body fluid virus that you contract via contact with contaminated blood/body fluid (i.e. sex, cuts, type of thing). My question is why have we started vaccinating newborn children right after birth in the hospital with the hepatitis B vaccination? I can’t even understand why we are giving this vaccination to anybody other than people at high risk like healthcare workers. It does not make sense to me, not to mention the fact that the vaccination given at birth is no longer viable at the age of 10, so children would have to get a booster.

    • Kate8

      Jennifer, Exactly. Why do they give Hep B vaccine to newborns? Because they can?

      My grandson received this, as my daughter trusted the doctor. He developed an inflamed liver and severe jaundice, couldn’t get him to nurse without great difficulty for 2 or 3 weeks, and we came close to losing him. The hospital had no comment, except to monitor his jaundice.

      Even when he started eating, he showed signs of stressed liver for many months.

      Also, the prevalence of auto-immune disorders has only come about since the administration of vaccines. They cause great inflammation in the body, and hyper-immune responses.

      • Michael

        Fact check — auto-immune disorders have existed for as long as human beings have existed (and probably much longer); Arthritis being an example of it.

        While I doubt that “immune boosters” work, to the extent that they do they probably increase your chance of auto-immune diseases such as MS or arthritis.

        Vaccinations are not immune boosters. They simply train your helper-T cells to recognize this particular invader so your body’s own immune system will respond more quickly to the disease.

        Life is always a race. You are constantly immersed in a sea of deadly germs that want to decompose your body even while you are still in it. I can see why so many of you advise against any sort of life-saving treatments; it makes more room on this planet for those that DO.

        • Kate8

          Michael – Do some research on adjuvants like squalene. They cause hyperimmune response, and result in autoimmune conditions.

          There is no question that these disorders have increased with vaccinations.

  • Henry Ledbetter

    KATE 8
    Thanks for the informaion and I will pursue the 0 3. ozone Don’t ever remember anyone lableing me as a liberal before now.. Strange world we now live in.

    • Kate8

      Henry, Here is a really great website that should help you: MrOxygen.com. Ed McCabe is an expert at oxygen therapies.

  • 45caliber

    Any of you know of any home remedies that your grandparents once used? Did they work? Probably.

    The reason they are not used today is that the production of some drug from a plant would quickly wipe out the plant UNLESS there was a move to grow it for medicine. And in that case, the farms required to provide for everyone in the world would be tremendous. Probably not enough room for every single one.

    Drug companies use synthetic drugs they can make in an industrial plant because it doesn’t take a lot of room and doesn’t cost a lot to produce. So hang onto those natural cures. You may need them.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      45caliber,
      right off the top of my head, I remember that my granny used to put milkweed sap on my poison ivy to dry it up! Worked better than calimine lotion and didn’t sting as much!!

    • Karolyn

      I remember my mom used to get coke syrup at the local soda fountain for when we were sick. I don’t remember what it was for, probably vomiting. That and ginger ale for upset stomach. We all know that ginger is the best remedy for upset stomach (also mint tea). Some of the current drugs are synthesized versions of the natural, like aspirin.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Karolyn,
        I remember those well. I still drink a coke when I have a sour stomach. Doesn’t work as well but it helps!

    • Robert S

      45 Colloidal silver or Nano silver was used with great success before the invention of Antibiotics. They nstill work.

  • Jack

    Just a few points for you to consider: Did you ever wonder why you need booster shots? Vaccinatons are synthetic, not live, which may be little safer, but don’t have lasting effect.
    With every vaccination you take, you destroy your immune system.
    Bill Gates has always supported vaccines and recently donated another $20,000,000.00 to push them on the entire population all in the name of DECREASING THE POPULATION. So what’s your government really giving you? Could that be why so many couples are infertile in this generation?
    Haven’t you ever noticed the drastic rise in the number of children with autism, ADD, cerebral palsy etc. and the fact that they become afflicted as toddlers or rather suddenly? Wait til it happens to your own perfectly normal child like it has to so many THOUSANDS of other parents. We were blessed. Our daughter was only in a coma for a week.
    Do you realize that people were infected with SIV (related to HIV) by polio vaccines grown on the kidneys of the rhesus monkey, which also caused cancer?
    Doesn’t anybody ever question when the gov’t is so h— bent on pushing something on your children; especially when they keep lowering the age? Now they want flu vaccine at 6 months and unless you get it from a single dose vial, you are also being given mercury.

    • Kate8

      Jack, When I was in first grade, I was among the kids receiving the original Salk polio vaccine. I became seriously ill for years to come, with pneumonia, rheumatic fever, nephritis (I had been proviously a healthy child).

      In my thirties I developed bouts of extreme muscle weakness, especially pronounced in my legs (and I worked out at the gym regularly). I became almost incapacitated for a few years until, finally, I met a European homeopath/naturopath who said it was from polio vaccination (the same as what occurs in people who had polio).
      He gave me something to clear it and, presto!, it was gone.

      The good news is, there are homeopathics that can clear the effects of these vaccines out of our bodies. But you have to have an exact match with these remedies for them to work, so a good homeopath is essential.

  • yoohooti

    I agree that the life span has increased, it is not from DRUGS. The FDA is one of the most corrupt agencys in the government. Their statement about that only a drug can diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent a disease is the most STUPID statement I have heard. How on earth can a drug diagnose anything? Treat a disease means only treat the symptoms, and manage it. Cure a disease NEVER, because if it is cured it is not needed anymore and they would not sell anthing for the disease it cured, Prevent again NO. The flu vaccine does not prevent the flu. I have taken a flu shot in the past and come down with the flu within 3 days of taking it, after 4 separate times of this happening i have refused to take it again have not had the flu since. I am 71 years old. My wife of 46 years is a nurse and has never had the flu or shot is now being forced to take the shot or lose her job. Thanks for letting me rant.

  • Henry Ledbetter

    Kate 8 Thanks again for the website for Mr. Oxygen. I just ordered his book and a four D.V.D. set. According to scripture, The Lord gives us ever herb bearing plant we should ever need to medicate with but man always seems to think he can do better. Could it be said that God knows best.. My thoughts are that before the flood some men lived to be over 900 years of age and their is fossil evidence of an atmosphere that was more like an H.B.O.T. chamber. Five million elephants frozen in the tundra of Siberia and some with grass in their mouth should cause us to investigate further.

    • Michael

      “Five million elephants frozen in the tundra of Siberia and some with grass in their mouth should cause us to investigate further.”

      Indeed. Who is “us” and why aren’t you out there investigating? How exactly does one freeze an elephant? There were a few frozen mammoths as well and so far as I know, no certain explanation for how it could be done. It would have to be a deep freeze and very sudden. Very unnatural.

    • Mike In MI

      Henry Ledbetter -
      Thre is every reason now to conclude that at some time in man’s history the Biblical claim of living to nearly a thousand years is entirely possible.
      It has been discovered in human genome studies that there is a coding sequence in the DNA which would cause Vitamin C to be produced with in the cells to meet their individual needs. Vitamin C is one of the best antioxidants that exists in the biosphere.
      Antioxidants are molecules which destroy or take the fires out of free radicals, poisons and the end products of oxidation reactions.
      These have been implicated as being big causers of aging and physical break down leading to death. If our own bodies still made Vitamin C we would live much longer and be sick far less frequently.
      Why the cells stopped making it or what caused that portion of the DNA to be shut down has not been answered to my knowledge. So, since we don’t make our own anymore it is very wise to take up to about 5,000mg. per day to adequately meet your body’s needs. You can take lots more than that safely but that’s a start. We would have made much more, making our own within our cells.

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