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  • Muffin Man Mashinksy

    I’m truly SHOCKED that the Godless Anti-life, Anti-Christian BHO administration is supporting the town here!! Well, even a broken clock is right twice a day!

    As far as the women suing & claiming this is Christian proselytizing: RIDICULOUS…they should be throw into jail for such a frivolous suit!

    • Quester55

      Just Bet if they where going to Start their Meetings with a Blood Offering to SATAN, SHE’D be all for That!

    • SavaDude

      Hmm, throw them into jail for having an opinion regarding prayer….Sounds like the America I know and love….

      • Muffin Man Mashinksy

        Thrown in jail NOT for an opinion, but for insanity….How is this proselytizing?

      • Muffin Man Mashinksy

        Hey, isn’t that what Obummer administration promotes regarding Hate crimes against homos? Throw them in jail for calling it what it is, darkness & perverted? Isn’t that their opinion? Check out what they have done in this regards in our military!

    • Robert Messmer

      More likely Obama is just trying to get SCOTUS to say Yes so he can then put out an EO requiring MUSLIM prayers at every official meeting.

  • rbrooks

    wait till the meetings are started with a adhan.

  • ONLYJB1

    Allow me to venture to guess! This progressive / communist group will vote NO to prayer! I’ll bet if this was about the beautiful music to obama’s ears of morning muslim call to prayer, they would vote…..YES YES YES YES!

    Prepare Americans! The day is coming! The day obama’s hope and change ENDS! It will not be pretty!

    • Quester55

      Your Correct ONLYJB1, For While they cry Peace & Safety, Sudden Destruction will fall upon them!

    • Robert Messmer

      They should probably vote NO simply because Obama wants them to say yes.

  • Deerinwater

    Hmm? ~ that should upset some people alright . ~ I don’t think the supreme court has the political courage to render such a decision.

  • Anna

    The US Constitution is a secular, religion-neutral document. Honor it by keeping prayer out of public government meetings. You are free to pray to your god of choice on your own time and/or in your own church (free exercise clause). In a public, government meeting? Not so much (establishment clause).

    • Muffin Man Mashinksy

      And one is free to enter after the prayers if it offends them, right? Truth be told, prayers have been a part of our govt. get togethers from day one & should be!!

    • Quester55

      So ANNA, Are you telling the rest of us that ALL others can Pray, To Their GOD, ONLY when YOU give them Permission?

      If You where a Congresswoman & You just got the Notice that the NUKES where Launched & you had only 5 minutes, You Wouldn’t Utter a Prayer BEFORE you Checked out for the Day??
      you ATHEIST are all alike!
      What’s Worse, are you HYPOCRITES That HIDE Your FAITH, From Others, Like Your ASHAMED of it!
      BE YE INSTANT IN SEASON & OUT OF SEASON !

    • Robert Messmer

      You do realise that every session of Congress begins with a prayer?

      • Anna

        I do, Robert. Perhaps they’ll discontinue this unconstitutional practice as well.

    • Quester55

      You don’t watch the Government Channel much do you? Every Session, is started with a Prayer.

      And you seem to Desire a Government controller like a Body of Soulless ROBOTS?
      FREE Speech, Free Thought, Are not Limited to, or Controlled by The Clocks, (So Far) As your Version of the Constitution & it’s Laws have been Covered so many times, That one would think, that persons like yourself, would start telling the truth as to what it states & Not what you wish it would state!

    • Vigilant

      What part of “nor prohibit the free exercise thereof” do you not understand?

      • Anna

        I would ask you that same question, Vigilant. There is no free exercise of religion when the same Xian brand of prayer is said over and over and over at the beginning of these public meetings. No one has a choice. It is just assumed that everyone is Xian when, in fact, that is not the case. Xian’s are not even the majority religion anymore in the US. What is? ‘NONE’, according to the most recent Pew survey. Better to leave religion to the religious institutions and legislating to the legislators.

        • Vigilant

          Your take on this is sophomoric and immature, child. Tell us who’s forcing anyone to pray. OF COURSE you have a choice, and you know it. It is NOT assumed that everyone is Christian. We have other than Christians In Congress.

          Kindly source your bogus figures that claim that Christians are not the majority. They account for roughly 78% of Americans, according to Pew: “Overall, nearly eight-in-ten (78.4%) adults report belonging to various forms of Christianity, about 5% belong to other faiths and almost one-in-six (16.1%) are not affiliated with any particular religion. (http://religions.pewforum.org/reports}

          P.S. Interesting that you should use “X” in place of “Christ.” Had you an ounce of intelligence, you’d know that you have not replaced “Christ” but used the Christian symbol that represents him. Do some research before you blather.

          • Anna

            Your patronizing attacks on my age (not a child) and my intelligence (you know nothing about me) show you’re projecting. You know that grouping all the Xians together to attain majority is a disingenuous manipulation of statistics and the religion of our legislators is irrelevant. Using an X is not to replace the word Christ, only another of your assumptions.

          • Vigilant

            “Patronizing” may indeed be the correct word. It’s employed when we talk to children, and I was addressing your mental, not chronological age.

            Grouping all Christians together? Yes. of course, and why wouldn’t I or Pew Research do the same? Those who believe in the Bible and the divinity of Jesus are called “Christians,” are they not? Or have you come up with some tortured new definition of Christianity to satisfy your penchant for disingenuously manipulating the stats?

            I do know something about you, for your words disclose your mentality to some extent. Tell me more, and I’ll know more about you.

          • Anna

            You’ve already made up a persona for me based on your assumptions. I don’t need to tell you more about me.

          • Vigilant

            Qui tacet consentire videtur” (“He who is silent seems to consent”).

            Unless and until you expand and clarity your beliefs, I’ll refer to the above maxim.

            Good God, you’ve got anonymity hiding behind a screen name. A little clarification wouldn’t hurt you.

  • Chris

    Prayers should be left OUT of government meetings………..like Anna said. Prayers should be on one’s own time. Getting the Supreme Court involved in this is a stupid waste of taxdollars because then MORE time is going to be wasted to see “whose” prayers are appropriate. Government meetings are for people getting paid to “work”, NOT pray.

    • Quester55

      Well Chris, Why Not Include, Hope, Charity, Fair-play, Tolerance, Good Will, Honor, Respect, And All other Emotions that Controls the Hearts of Man?
      In Fact, Removal of Those QUALITY’S, And your Left with Nothing except an Emotionless MACHINE!!
      Is That what you REALLY WANT, JUDGING your Activity’s as a Citizen?,
      A MACHINE Has NO Concept what Divides, Right from Wrong !
      But by your Standards, Could you LIVE in a Society Where ALL Emotions are Removed, Under pain of DEATH!?
      Think about, But don’t wait to long, or One Day your Wish, May become a Reality!

  • Doug Nusbaum

    The court should rule against the followers of the anti-christ and in line with what Jesus actually taught. In other words against Conservative republicans in favor of Christian Shria Law. And for those of you still do dense to understand this, let me quote that ancient Jewish Philosopher: And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.

    • Quester55

      YOU Hypocrite, It’s a Wonder that Our God’s Words don’t Burn in tour Mouth!
      That Jewish Philosopher, You refer to is The KING of Kings, & Lord of Lords, The ALPHA & THE OMEGA, The Beginning & the Last, And His NAME is JESUS!
      That’s the Problem with you Lukewarm S-O-B’s of today, Your to ASHAMED to use the LORD’S Name When your Talking about him!!

      • Doug Nusbaum

        I noticed that you engaged in name calling (the rhetorical technique used by people who have neither information nor logic to support their beliefs) as well as, well whatever it was you did. Now perhaps you can actually show me where I was wrong, or perhaps you can find something that would indicate that Jesus supports your position.

        Do you really think that the Lord cares what name is used as long as his rules are followed? Well, since you prefer to follow Satan, perhaps your lord and master does care :-)

  • Quester55

    The American Atheist got their way, Back in the 60’s & This Country has been tumbling down hill ever since!
    From the 60 on to today, we’ve seen;
    An increase in Child Rape.
    Children producing Babies.
    Children involved in ” Patricide”, !
    Children on Hard Drugs, Children Committing MURDER, Bulling, Stealing, Beating their Elders as well as their Parents!
    More & more Prisons being built to House Children & Young Adults.
    Lower Grade Averages !
    And the list goes on & on!
    As for Removing PRAYER from the GOVERNMENT, Why Stop with the JEWISH/CHRISTIAN FAITH, Why Not ALL Religions?
    Besides OBAMA already stated that He Fully Supports the MUSLIM CULTS & Their S.O.B. Stone Idol, allah!!
    As For the D.N.C./Party, They’ve declared the Christian/Jewish God & Faith, DEAD. So Why Worry about this SMOKE Screen that their Godless party are Pushing today, See the Truth for what it is, They HATE America’s Freedoms, The American Citizens, Out Jewish/Christian Faith & Our Freedoms to Worship Anyone or anything we want!
    WOE onto the Nation that Calls Evil Good & Good Evil !!

  • Charlie

    Meanwhile , Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38 is salvation …

  • Chris

    I worked for the federal government for 41 years and we never prayed at meetings. Now all of a sudden, by the replies herein to my comments, I’m the antichrist. Get a grip people. You bible thumpers SHOULD be complaining to the “right” people to make this a better world for everyone………man and beast………at least THAT’S how “I” spend my nonbible-thumping retired time.

  • Motov

    I don’t see how a little prayer could hurt, but at the same time I really never heard about this before. We still use a bible to swear the truth oath?
    I do bet some are praying while the SCOTUS is in session!

    • Vigilant

      The Bible has not always been used to swear the oath (the Koran has been used) and there is no Constitutional requirement to do so.

      • Motov

        I hear you, just look at that stupid Trayvon case. Where it was obvious, some coaching the witnesses did occur.
        I find it appalling that today’s court session are more about procedures, than they are about getting down to the truth of what happened.

  • CatGman

    How foolish. Here is a simple fix. If you want to pray, pray. If you don’t want to pray, dont pray. Foolishness.

  • http://www.PatriotOutlet.com/ SplendidIsolation

    “It amazes me to find an intelligent person who fights
    against something which he does not at all believe exists.”-Mohandas Gandhi

  • http://www.PatriotOutlet.com/ SplendidIsolation

    “Congress shall
    make no law respecting an establishment of religion, OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF”.

    • Anna

      And therein is the issue, SpendidIsolation. There is no opportunity for freely exercising your religious belief when one belief is assumed and recited in a public forum meeting after meeting. It is, in fact, prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Get it?

      • http://www.PatriotOutlet.com/ SplendidIsolation

        So saying a public prayer to the same God that our founding fathers prayed to as they wrote the Constitution if prohibiting the free exercise of religion??? Listen to the words of Benjamin Franklin: “All of us who were engaged in the struggle must have observed frequent instances of a superintending Providence in our favor. . . . And have we now forgotten that powerful Friend? Or do we imagine we no longer need His assistance? I have lived, sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth – that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured, sir, in the Sacred Writings, that “except the Lord build the House, they labor in vain that build it.” I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without His concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel. . . . I therefore beg leave to move that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business.”
        Source: http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=144096
        With the state of politics in this country (BOTH parties) I would propose that prayer prior government business is conducted is not only proper … it’s VITAL … and Constitutional.

        • Anna

          What did our Founding Fathers have to say about religion?

          “Question
          with boldness even the existence of a god.” ~Thomas Jefferson (letter to Peter Carr, 10 August 1787)

          “All
          natural institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or
          Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify
          and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.” ~Thomas Paine, The
          Age of Reason.

          “Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.” ~ John Madison

          “Lighthouses are more helpful than Churches” ~ Benjamin Franklin

          “History, I
          believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a
          free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which
          their civil as well as their religious leaders will always avail
          themselves of, for their own purpose” ~Thomas Jefferson

          • http://www.PatriotOutlet.com/ SplendidIsolation

            I don’t think you want to go there Anna. Here is a VERY brief set of statements from our founding fathers. Note: there is a big difference between “religion” and “belief in Christ”.

            The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of
            Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God. – John Adams

            In the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of
            the Savior. The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity. – John Quincy Adams

            The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend all to the happiness of man. – Thomas Jefferson

            I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ. – Thomas
            Jefferson

            By renouncing the Bible, philosophers swing from their moorings upon all moral subjects… It is the only
            correct map of the human heart that ever has been published. – Benjamin Rush

            [T]he only means of establishing and perpetuating our republican forms of government is the universal education of our youth in the principles of Christianity by means of the Bible. – Benjamin Rush

            [T]he Christian religion… is the basis, or rather the source, of all genuine freedom in government… I am
            persuaded that no civil government of a republican form can exist and be durable in which the principles of Christianity have not a controlling influence. – Noah Webster

            And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure if we have lost the only firm basis, a conviction in
            the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? – Thomas Jefferson

      • Vigilant

        No, YOU don’t get it. NOTHING prohibits your free exercise of religion.

        To imagine that the prayer is anything more than a cultural tradition and an acknowledgement that we are inferior to the ultimate power is a pipe dream. Under the Constitution, enlighten us as to how the prayer of a government body entails the establishment of a state religion.

        You are a spoiled, envious child.

        • Anna

          Prayer is an acknowledgement that we are inferior to the ultimate power? In who’s religion? You assume that there is an ultimate power and then further assume that everyone agrees with you. And this prayer is perfectly reasonable to be recited in a public setting where its relevance is non-existent and not everyone agrees with your assumptions. In the interest of fairness, do you want this case to be decided with a requirement of an equal time prayer for each religion….god, Krishna, Allah, etc, etc? Why not simply let legislators legislate and leave the religious business to the religious?

          A child? I’m a senior citizen and no envy was expressed in my previous post.

          • Vigilant

            “Prayer is an acknowledgement that we are inferior to the ultimate power? In who’s [sic] religion?”

            If you are a senior citizen, Anna, and you still think after all your life experience that homo sapiens is the superior entity in the universe, then I do indeed feel sorry for your deprivation.

            If you have not observed your world with intelligence and curiosity, then you will never understand that any slavish devotion to science and materialism will never answer the “why” of our being.

            Your life must have been led with a flat, unpurposeful chart. You may have existed, but you have never lived.

            You have further denied the natural law of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness upon which this nation is built. You think that rights come from government or committee, but any such philosophy is doomed to utter failure.

            And yes, you are quite envious of those who have what you don’t have.

            As for how I would like this case decided there is only one answer: in accordance with the Constitution and nothing else. That happens to be pursuant to the oath those justices took.

            Read the First Amendment, several times if you require it, and tell me how the saying of prayer, in public or private, has ANYTHING to do with either the establishment of a state religion or the prevention of one’s right to worship freely.

          • Anna

            I’ve already stated my reasons why prayers are unconstitutional in a public assembly. I do not need to read the 1st amendment again.

            Where you got the idea that I think homo sapiens are the superior entity in the universe is beyond me. I think no such thing, and in fact, it is more common for religious belief systems to posit that sort of thinking. Your ability to assume information about me is also quite astounding, Vigilant. We can agree, though, that we both want this case to be decided in accordance with the Constitution.

          • Anna

            I’ve already stated my reasons why prayers are unconstitutional in a public assembly. I do not need to read the 1st amendment again.

            Where you got the idea that I think homo sapiens are the superior entity in the universe is beyond me. I think no such thing, and in fact, it is more common for religious belief systems to posit that sort of thinking. Your ability to assume information about me is also quite astounding, Vigilant. We can agree, though, that we both want this case to be decided in accordance with the Constitution.

          • Vigilant

            “I’ve already stated my reasons why prayers are unconstitutional in a public assembly.”

            And your reasons have been found insufficient. Don’t quit your day job (or sewing circle) to engage in a legal career.

            “Where you got the idea that I think homo sapiens are [sic] the superior entity in the universe is beyond me.”

            Then you are more obtuse than I imagined. You said, “You assume that there is an ultimate power.” That’s where I got it. Having short term memory problems, old crone?

            Just for kicks, if the race of homo sapiens (singular, not plural, my dear) is NOT the superior entity in the universe, then what do you believe?

  • Peggy

    Justices—86% of Americans are christian and only 14% are bit***** about this. If their is prayer, either partake or not–but do not make an issue of it. Tell the minority (14%) to sit down and shut up. Oh justices–by the way thanks for upholding all the lies of this administration–obama clearly states this health insurance is NOT a tax, but you all upheld is as such–way to go