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Support for healthcare bill declines as Republicans intensify criticism

August 3, 2009 by  

Support for healthcare bill declines as Republicans intensify criticism As Congress heads off for summer recess, after having failed to debate the healthcare proposal, a new poll has found Americans are increasingly concerned about its final shape.

The New York Times/CBS News poll suggests people worry that overhauling the healthcare system will reduce the quality of care, increase health costs and tax bills and limit their options in choosing doctors and treatments, according to Dallas Morning News.

Specifically, a total of 69 percent have said a decline in quality will result from the government running a program that will provide universal coverage.

House minority leader John Boehner of Ohio appears to have understood the public sentiment when he said at a recent luncheon sponsored by the Christian Science Monitor that "what was promised and what was delivered don’t add up and people are upset about it," quoted by PoliticsDaily.com.

He also said the bill, which is now scheduled to be debated in September, will "get shredded" because the more people learn about its provisions the less they will like it.

Similarly, Republican National Committee chairman Michael Steele has blasted President Obama for pushing a healthcare agenda that he believes will slow the economy, increase the deficit and make healthcare worse for those who already have insurance.
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  • s c

    This health care ‘reform’ issue is a ticking time bomb. It amounts to a declaration of war on the American people. It will give this illegitimate government control over the lives of every America citizen. I wouldn’t trust a Founding Father with this much power. No way would I accept this damnable travesty from any current ‘leader’ – especially from someone who has demonstrated to America that he can’t be trusted with bailouts or appointing unaccountable ‘czars’ who undermine and destroy the Constitution. Make no mistake about it America, the day has come when domestic enemies are more dangerous than obvious foreign enemies. Ask a combat veteran what you must do when you can’t tell the difference between a friend and an enemy. They know. Good intentions get you killed. This health care abomination will destroy America. The stakes are too high to put our trust in those who hide behind false promises and words that are re-defined daily. America’s fate will be made manifest by utterly rejecting this rotting travesty, or by accepting it and welcoming slavery. Choose!

    • http://1gingerw@windstream.net Ginger Watts

      I guess the bill is fine if you are not an older American, however if you are an older American I think the best you can expect is to be shipped off to some island and left to die, that’s about the size of it.

      • Chery

        Ginger – it will only be fine if you are healthy – have no health needs – and don’t live long.

        • marsha

          What will they do with the mentally ill ,physically disabled, mentally retarded all will be denied medical Treatment and left to die. How sad! I pray that this will not come to pass.

      • DixieConnie

        Ginger, how do you know the bill is fine, have you read all 1,000 pages because it seems no one else has.

        • Jim

          Marsha

          Where in the bill does it say what you’ve claimed? I can’t find it.

        • http://personallibertydigest Pauldo

          That’s 2407 pages.

      • http://facebook chopmommy

        the bill states that if you want to keep your existing plan that you have with your employer,if you want to pay out of pocket to an insurance company you can . but you have another chose if you want to get the health plan that the goverment will have for the rest of us. the healthcare reform will bring down the prices for drugs, the tests that you don’t need will be reduced (that does ‘t mean you want get quality care)and most of ALL to the elderly,it will make your life more complete. according to the REP claim that (ex. hip and knee replacement,physicall disabled,and the mentaly retarded won’t be cared for) they want have proper care. STOP BULLYING US. some eldery’s go without food to pay for their medicine. MEDICAR does’t pay for all your care.(dentures,glasses ,the time spent in the hospital ex).DON’T LET the rep’s FOOL YOU that the healthcare reform WILL PUT AWAY IN A NURSING HOME OR HOPICE.

    • Rhonda Kaye Hamman

      Congress does not want it for themselves then why force it on the people of this Nation. If you are not a productive citizen you might as well kiss yourself goodbye. You are born with a medical problem you will not make it far. If you get MD or something later, sorry about your luck. And if the government thinks you are living to long time for counseling to see if you are fit to keep on living. This Health Care Reform is another way for big government to control. Do not be fooled, people with socialized healthcare come to America for treatment because they can not get it at home.

    • DixieConnie

      It is the enemy within that will destroy America. We MUST stand up and be heard.

      • Jim

        You’re correct. We can’t let the noisy right wing take over. Let those with brains run the country

        • Bonnie

          Instead we should let the violent left wing take over with their ACORN and SEIC thugs? We might be noisy, but we are trying to to change what is happening by following the Constitution not destroy it.

    • Dave

      Gilligan would like it, neither would the Skipper, Mary Ann or the Professor. Mr.&Mrs. Howell on the other hand would probably love it

  • FarRightWinger

    The NObamaCare is basically nothing has to do with NObama. He was chosen to enforce it, but basically a Zionist-freemasonic plan to kill MILLIONS of Americans thru ‘vaccinations’, ‘treatments’ and killing the innocents, defenseless babies, unwanted by the zionist hate-mongers and population-controllers, murdering the elderly people by euthanasia (a gov’t bureaucrat will tell you: your illness is incurable, so you must die at no-cost, provided by your loving gov’t)
    NObama is just the ‘spokeperson’ for the shadow government agents evil plan, even he is as evil as them.
    WAKE UP AMERICA!
    We need to get united, get under the same umbrella until it is not too late.

  • FarRightWinger

    It is also likely that the Evil Empire (US gov’t) prepared either to make it swallow by the American people this evil plan, or force it to swallow. Remember the UN and foreign troops on US soil? In case this Evil plan defeated, “something” will happen in the USA to declate Martial Law and suspend the Constitution. From that point the foreign invaders will run amok across America and apprehend those oppose any Evil Empire action (NObamaDeathCare, illegal immigration, abortion, homo “marriage”, or having any conservative view). The lies about the Iranian “nukes” and the even more bigger lies about Iran’s threat to USA, give a great opportunity to “prelude” a “terrorist-attack” in the United States (such as the CIA/Mossad ’9-11′ in 2001) and then -see above…

    • Shirley ELTON

      I’m lost ?! I know about everything I have read here & more.I have read & studied every article,document,speech,debate,etc going on in the world but this is a new one on me.What “terrorist attack” in the United States such as the CIA/MOSSAD ’9-11 2001 ? Are you trying to tell me & others that the CIA & the Isreal Mossad hijacked the planes & blew up the twin towers in New York ?If this is what you are saying then I want to know if you are crazy ? The mossad are Jews,God’s people;there were Jews in those towers.They don’t kill their own people but,they do kill people who kill theirs! Only the so called muslins;that Obama is backdooring in by tens of thousands & giving them our money;have no regard for life, like their MUSLIM brother Obama! I guess every bad thing that happens is the Jews.Do you know that every country in the world owes the United States money going back toWorld War II except Isreal.They have paid us back every dime.God blesses Isreal & everone who helps Isreal.That is why America has always had God’s blessings until the last few years;when our leaders turned their backs on Isreal.This is why we are going down &, every Christian knows this is true.This has been in the works for yrs-Rockfellows,Clintons,Bushes,McCains,etc.One world Govt,currency,religion,rules,etc.look up (1) ILLUMINATI (2) BILDERBERGERS(3) THE CLUB OF ROME (4)THE COUNCIL OF FOREIGN RELATIONS (5)THE TRILATERAL COMMISSION. I’ll take God & Isreal.

      • debra

        You got it right sister..

  • The Insurgent (formerly: FRW)

    BERNIE-THE-HOMO IS EXPOSED AGAIN:
    DemocRATS confess hopes to eliminate private healthcare
    Jim Brown – 8/4/2009
    Yet another liberal lawmaker on Capitol Hill has acknowledged that the public option healthcare proposal being promoted by NObama and Democrats on Capitol Hill is a “Trojan horse” for a single-payer socialized healthcare system.
    Earlier this summer, House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank (D-Massachusetts) told CNSNews.com that he agrees with NObama that a single-payer healthcare system has worked well in some countries. Congressman Frank reportedly cited Scandinavia as an example.

    Frank was confronted at the National Press Club last week by the group Single Payer Action, which asked him why a single-payer system was off the table.
    “Apparently because we don’t have the votes. I wish it weren’t. I’m all for it. I’m a big sponsor,” he admitted.
    Frank is referring to his support for H.R. 676, The United States National Health Care Act, which has 85 congressional co-sponsors. He says trying to push a single-payer bill through Congress before getting a public option approved would be “suicidal.”
    “The best way we’re going to get single-payer, the only way, is to have a public option and demonstrate its strength and its power,” he adds.

    Earlier this year at a healthcare forum, liberal Congresswoman Jan Schakowsky (D-Illinois admitted that her push for a public option is “not a principled fight” because her real goal is eliminating the private healthcare sector.

    • s c

      Excellent points, Insurgent! J Schakowsky [D, IL] missed the boat. With her hatred of choice and her blatantly anti-American mindset, she could have been b o’s perfect health care czar. Is the water supply in Illinois so contaminated that it’s impossible to be a functional public servant? Whatever it is, she and b o do manifest the symptoms. I never would have believed it could be so easy to get no-talent, minimum-wage ‘hired’ help from Illinois.

  • Barry

    What we have here is a failure of the BO administration to tell the American people the truth. The truth: Govenrment controlled health care will not and does not work, will cost all US tax payers plenty, decrease jobs, decrease health care for all Americans, create long waits for health care, cause pain and suffering for millions of Americans, drive cost up, drive efficiency down and give the US government controll of your health care with the single payer system.

    BO wants a single plan health care system and stated such in speeches in 2002 and again in 2007 before audiences of the left, the same people that are his base. BO is a leftist radical socialist. Wake up libs and stop drinking that kool aid. Afterall, what does US tax payer money being used for abortions have to do with health care? It’s in the bill brother. Get a copy and read it yourself instead of believing lying politicians.

    A better solution: If libs want goverment controlled health care then start sending your checks to me and I will try and send 1/10th to help people in need and keep the rest for managing the program. All libs who support the governments program stand up, write-up the checks, send the money to me and I will manage the new LIB CONTROLLED HEALTH CARE PLAN for America. Time to put up or shut up libs.

    • http://facebook chopmommy

      contrary to your belief the health care reform won’t decrease jobs .drive up cost instead it will lower cost, quality care,pain and suffering for who. where have you been not in the real world,i guess.we’re are alreadly paying high cost for health care. have you ever been to a clinic where the lines are long or a visit for a doctor’s appointment to only wait. but you’ve forgot the elderly,the unemployed and the worker who only workes several days a week,not knowing if they’ll have a job tomorrow.the health reform plan will backup what the insurance companies are already doing. they have started the pervented care where you can callup to get information on a number of causes like diets,how to find you body weight,signs of a stroke etc. for some this is hope not the bull that REP’S are peddling. you need to read it again,

      • debra

        You are a complete IDIOT!! I have read the bill and the onlly people who will benefit are the losers..like welfare moms who won`t work,the illegals, oh and the gov. will even pay for someone to speak to them in their lang. so they will understand, and the elderly who are the ones who have paid into to it all these years what do they get?? well for sure they have to meet with someone from the gov. to make sure the understand “end of life options”!! at least every 5yrs.

  • http://GetRidofObama Paul Torsiello

    I’ll keep my
    Money, Guns
    and
    LIBERTY!
    You keep the CHANGE
    And Shove the Beer!
    How’s all that
    HOPE
    &
    CHANGE
    working for you folks???
    I didn’t Think So!
    I didn’t Vote for him!
    You did

    • DixieConnie

      Not me, brother.

      • Jim

        I did

        • debra

          You should be ashamed. I at least would not admit it. Repent now!! I did not vote for the anti-christ..

        • DixieConnie

          I’m sorry and it beginning the look like the whole country is sorry for voting him in. uuuuuuuuummmmmmmm.

        • Jim

          I’m very proud that I 1) am not a bigot 2) actually read the things I talk about 3) do not succumb to the racist hate I see in this blog 4) Voted for an intelligent man who will, depsite the actions of the obstructionists who have no idea what’s best for the country will save our collective asses. He actually already started, and the signs are there, but of course nobody here will give him credit but they’ll lie and lie to make him look worse.

          The whole country is not sorry, but the ones with the foulest mouths and the loudest bellows make not very iontelligent people think that he might be losing support.

    • Don

      +1

      • Don

        ……………….”Keep the change you filthy rat”………………………..

  • http://GetRidofObama Paul Torsiello

    Obamanomics KILLS your Wealth
    Obamacare will KILL your Health
    NO Socialized Medicine!!!!
    Public Option is Leftist take over of all medical and you have no option!
    Wake up America!
    Take this country back now!

    • Virginia

      You are not listening! You have the option of Obama’s healthcare plan, or keep what you have, OR purchase your own! IT IS NOT MANDATORY to take the government healthcare plan. Stop listening to some of these freaks that are trying to kill the plan.

      • Clarissa

        There is one problem when Obama states that you will be able to keep the healthcare you have or purchase your own. When you are competing with the government , the private sector does not stand a chance. The gov will make the rules and call the shots. You are playing on their turf. Who do you think is going to win? When Obama was campaigning in California he stated that the factories in Pennsylvania could keep operating,but that he would just keep fining them and make it impossible for them to operate with a profit. This same mentality will be applied to the healthcare reform. It’s the Chigago way honey!

        • Jim

          Where is that stated in the bill?

      • Dee

        Wise up ‘Virginia’ ….. Perhaps you need to ‘read the bill’ as well … It’s only good for ‘Common Americans, but ‘Congress’ and Federal employees are ‘Exempt’ …. If ONE thing changes to your current health plan … and it can be as small as the ‘deductible’ amount you pay, then your put in the ‘Government’ plan!

      • Okfoz

        You are right, you will not be mandated into the public option… Right away at least. Unfortunately if you read the bill it states that if you decided to Change jobs, change your health care or change your provider then you have to go to the “Public Option.” On top of all this, Obama clearly said in 2007? to SEIU that the single payer system may take up to 15 years to completely go into the single payer system as not all companies will go to it right away.

        So you are right, Obama chose his words well, “If you like your current health care you will not have to change it” only as long as you sit still and do not move. You twitch and you will HAVE to go to the public option… It is NOT mandatory NOW, it will be however one day as there will no longer be any insurance companies left.

        On a side note, IMHO Obama is an idiot. If you listened to his speech a few weeks ago Pediatricians do not remove tonsils, they never have, it is done in a HOSPITAL by a surgeon. Pediatricians do not get kickbacks either….

        Since when do people go to the ER and are turned away… Unless you live in Chicago and go to the University Hospital where Michelle Obama worked, there they turn poor people away….

        • Jim

          “Unfortunately if you read the bill it states that if you decided to Change jobs, change your health care or change your provider then you have to go to the “Public Option.””

          Where is that stated in the bill? I can’t find it.

        • debra

          Jim you are right…none of them know what they are talking about. They all have said stupid stuff that they do not have a clue. I have spent my whole adult life as an RN and I can tell you no one goes without care. People think children die if the parents don`t have the money for chemo and other treatments and that`s the scare tactic Kennedy,Fag Frank uses. And then there are the people who abuse the system just to ride in to the ER via ambulance, get a cheseburger,warm place to sleep,a ride home in a taxi all paid for by the tax payer. all the while to prevent a lawsuit all the expensive tests have been performed. These are repeaters…that is the SHIT Obama needs to stop!!

      • Dan

        Obama claims that you will have a choice, and that is what you are told to believe. But every thing I have heard is they are going to penalize either the employer, the employee, or both if you do not follow their plan. In addition they will charge the companies so little for the government plan so that the private industry can’t compete, and then the companies will be force to drop the private industry plans and only provide the govt plan. But the Government plan is massive, and provides more Govt overhead, that the cost will be so ridiculus there will be little if any money for the people to actually be insured. Anyone should see how horrible the Massechusettes and the Canada plan is that this say to the US Citizens WE DO NOT WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS PLAN. It will take forever to get to see any Dr or any tests, that most people will likely be dead by the time they get any medical care at all.

        • Jim

          “Everything I have heard”

          From whom. Read the plan, don’t listen to the yahoos

      • American Citizen

        Apparently you people really do not listen to what Obama is really saying. He said that in the near future, all private plans will go by the wayside as people will be forced into the one payer plan.
        I saw an audience made up of people from other countries along with those of the US the other night listening to a speech by one of our politicians. I didn’t see the opening so don’t know who the politician was. He asked if there was anyone in the audience from Britain or Canada who likes their health care system. They shouted, “NO!”. Why are out politicians ignoring the problems with those health care systems in those countries? Because they want the power. I’ve never seen so many power hungry people up there in Congress before. Why are so many people eager to become slaves to the Federal Government?

        • Jim

          Again where does it say that anywhere? Stop making things up!

      • American Citizen

        Virginia, wise up. Obama’s plan will force insurance companies out of business and you will be left with no option but to join his plan. Read the bill!!! You may become smarter than the politicians who won’t read it. Those who have read it say it is a travesty for the people of this country. Wise up!! Obama doesn’t want you to know the truth, he’s like a magician playing slight of hand and selling you snake oil for your health.

      • DixieConnie

        Virginia: if you believe what you wrote, then think again. It ain’t gonna happen that way. BO will have it his way, not our way. Please wake up and smell the coffee, girl. He has you bluffed if you believe anything that comes out of his mouth.

      • Don Yates

        You should be ashamed for voting for someone that would not release any personal records. He is a socialist muslim bent on destroying our country. You need to get off the koolaid…

        • Jim

          I don’t know what Kool_Aid you’re drinking, but it really messes your head up, it makes you a racist bigot without a clue about reality.

        • Don Yates

          I would expect you to play the race card as soon as possible in any conversation, because it is the only defense that you think cannot be addressed. Well, socialist muslim is not a race. It is a political position and religion. Obama hid those very well, during his campaign. I don’t care if Obama was purple. He is a far left wing liberal that only got elected, because he claimed his black half to appease the AA’s. I guess you forgot he is half white. I do not like him, becuse of his liberal socialist agenda. We will see how many of you obamamanics claim him, after he totally finshes screwing up our economy. I would expect some of you to be in denial no matter what he does. I would like to see him bring the economy around, but socializing and nationalizing our healthcare sytem is not the answer. I guess you want him to cover 12 million illegals that don’t pay taxes too? I would like to see them fix medicare to cover American citizens that need healthcare, but not screw up the private healthcare industry in the process. So you can keep your obvious racial bias to yourself. Have you hugged Obama’s birth certificate today? Another denial…

      • Shirley ELTON

        Virginia,you need to read more & pay more attention.I am in to the health care bill;all 1280 odd pages.It reads like the Internal Revenue Codes.It may start out like you think but it is going to end up being government controlled. page 341 lines 3-9 -”govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advplans,HMOs,ets,forcing all into Govt HC plan.”Right now in Great Britan people are being put into an end of life programs because medicine is too expensive.The cap & trade will put us all on an electric grid which will cost us an extra &1600 per yr.We will have so many hrs per day of electricty.you will not be able to control your thermostat.If if shuts down your car will not run because of the fuel injection .What do you think all this take over of GM was about?What do you think this cash for clunkers is about?There will be no parts to repair your old cars with.Acorn,Amercors.our Children will be forced into service after high school,no religion to serve.Sound familar ?The youth orgization?1940 ?Germany?We are on the road to HELL just like the German people & they didn’t realize it either until it was too late.Don’t kid yourself!Last week The Prada magazine of RUSSIA is dumbstruck.They can’t believe that the American people are letting Obamba take us down to marxism & as fast as he is doing it.The strongest nation on earth buckling & to one man.The whole world is watching.I’m 63 but I’m going down fighting!And that wise latino woman wants to take our guns,our property,she is a racists & she is a LESBIAN.

        • Jim

          Shirly

          What part of

          ‘‘(iv) AUTHORITY TO DISQUALIFY
          4 CERTAIN PLANS.—In applying clauses (ii)
          5 and (iii), the Secretary may determine not
          6 to identify a Medicare Advantage plan if
          7 the Secretary has identified deficiencies in
          8 the plan’s compliance with rules for such
          9 plans under this part.”

          Says that you will be forced to take the government plan?

          Tell the truth please.

          • Shirley ELTON

            Sorry I’ve been so long in getting back to you but some of us got to work,right? Now did you happen to read any of the rest of the bill? Such as the ranking of the plans?From the highest to the lowest based on the quality performance score for the year “THE SEC” shall rank plan performance.From highest to lowest based on absolute scores,and H-L based on % improvement in the score for the plan from prev yr.Any plan which does not report quality performance data shall be counted as having lowest score & performance.Yes, you are right.If the SEC has idenified deficencies in the plan’s complinances with rules for such plans under this part.(F)Notification-The sec will list on it’s website a list (THIS IS ME)of “plans”from highest to lowest & cheapest with the ones that have “DEFICENCIES”not listed.The “PROJECTED”winner with the 12-13 million illegals that we will have to pay for,& the 5-7 million on welfare that could work but ,won’t; I’m not talking about the ones that really need it;will put the Gov’s plan in the lead as they planned.The oher plans will start to fold like a house of cards.This was rigged from the beginning just like the cap & trade but,thank GOD the American people woke up in time.The GOVN just spent 18 million revamping it’s website & it was done in a hurry.Why do you think that was?So don’t accuse me of lying.Until you read the entire bill & get some help in understanding it don’t accuse anyone of anything.This is the same Govn that spent $600 on each hammer & $800 on each toliet seat & has bailed “their” post office out yr after yr.They couldn’t run a popcorn stand with help!They steal from us & they steal from themselves!This health care bill is a joke! They have run medicare dry & this heath care is to cover their tracks & make more money for them to blow. But that is the least of it.Go back & read about the medicare advantage plan.I don’t see a 5 yr consulation plan.I see(Again this is me) starting with 2010 if you have too many hosp. visits,chronic condition,health functions & limitations of daily living & survival you could get a trip to the vet to be put down.If you don’t score high enough to live then you die according to “THE SEC!”But don’t take my word for it,go read it for yourself.I don’t have the time to print the entire text here & explain it.Besides reading the ENTIRE BILL,I also have talked to several attorney friends of mine. & you can read the text on http://www.opencongress.org/bill/-h3200/text.Also the LIBERTY COUNCIL,a nationwide public interest religious civil liberties law firm-www.LC.org.Also on that open congress their is a condensed version of bill where they try to explain alot of it.The bill goes back & forth with sub sections ,clauses,& etc because they want it to be confusing so they can say that is not what it means or they can change it anytime they want to.If they didn’t intend to run the health care then they wouldn’t have all the jargon & rules pertaining to everyone’s life.Why don’t they just overhaul medicare & make it better?I remember when all you had to pay was $ 64.Now look,part B & an extra policy.Still have to pay for your drugs & everything else!You don’t get anything free from the Govn.One way or the other you’re going to pay.I’ll keep my life ,liberty & freedom!

  • http://socializedhealthcare Eileen Barayasarra

    My husband is 71 and has cancer. I am not ready to allow anyone to “OFF” him yet. We must fight this attempt to pass COMMIE CARE with every ounce of our strength! Equally important is fighting the BLAIR HOLT GUN BILL. It has never been more important for citizens to be able to defend ourselves- – from ENEMIES BOTH FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC. In 2005 a man high on drugs came in my home. My pistol saved my life. Now I must fight this socialized medicine to save my husband. Most people are too dumb to pay attention. It may pass due to lack of interest on the part of people who have the power to stop it if only they would. That is the consequence of THE DUMBING DOWN OF AMERICA!

    • Virginia

      Stop fighting! You have a choice, you do not have to participate in the “healthcare for all plan”! You may keep what you have or get a plan of your own! Help pass it to let other people be on the plan if they choose. Everyone in the US has a right to choose, but let us have that right. Millions of Americans have no insurance. Don’t you want the same kind of insurance that all the Congressman have? I don’t understand why everyone is kicking and screaming about it all. I want to have a choice, either keep the plan I have, buy another plan, or the Obama’s healthcare plan. And believe me, I trust Obama’s plan much more than I trust the insurance companies of this world. No one is going to off your husband.

      I agree about the Blair Holt gun bill. The constitution states, we have a right to bear arms.

      • http://yahoo gary

        virginia…..you really should lay off of the kool-aid..it is obvisiously taken control of your brain functions!!!..wake up!!!…please..all of our freedom and liberties are at stake with this group of thugs,theives,scroundels,and liars..yes..i said it..chairman mobama,is a pathalogical liar!!!!

      • Dee

        Virginia, …. I don’t have ‘healthcare’ at this time either, but I will surely NOT opt for the Obama plan!! Have you ever noticed how many ‘campaign promises’ that Obama has NOT fulfilled? Obama talks and ‘dismisses’ every thought that American’s are concerned with, yet the next day … someone in his administration is saying the ‘opposite’ … Do you really think ‘Healthcare for All’ is ‘free’??? Whose going to pay the 1.6 Trillion it’s going to cost? Are you ready to pay for all the ’12-20 Million ‘Illegals’ that will be covered? I have worked all my life, made it to retirement now, and I’ll be damned if I worked all those years to pay for the ‘illegals’ who come across our borders and have ‘bankrupted’ my State! (CA) .. You need to isten to Glenn Beck, on Fox news daily … Open up your eyes and see what’s going on around you .. and when you ‘vote’, please be an ‘Informed & Educated’ Voter!!!! This ‘Healthcare’ bill affects every American … Congress is ‘exempt’ from this plan, do you wonder ‘why’??? We already have the best in the World, and yes we do need ‘reform’, but not this type of ‘reform’ .. the Seniors are getting the ‘dirty end of the stick’ … one day, you will be one of them .. This ‘Bill’ could be ‘dangerous and disasterous’ for Americans .. Let’s get ‘reform’, but not this way … There’s no ‘rush’ to get this signed into law, other than to make Obama looks like his ‘Superman’ … which he isn’t!! This is just another ‘step forward’ to Socialism .. so please ‘get yourself informed’ … read the entire bill and you’ll see that you can keep your own insurance, but if anything changes, you don’t have an option to find another insurance company .. you automatically go on the ‘Government Plan’ … like it or not!! Rationed healthcare, waiting in long lines, end-of-life ‘consultations’ every 5 years … and the list is long .. Say, perhaps you may want to go to a ‘Tea Party’ … those ‘extremists’ are Republicans, Democrats, Independants, etc .. and Americans are ‘outraged’ at Congress and WE want to determine what’s best for us, not the Govt.!!!

      • DixieConnie

        Virginia, you have more rights today than you will if this new plan goes thru. Don’t you see that all of your rights are slowly being taken away. Do you want to be a slave to your “government” when it comes to your doctor. They already have taken away more freedom that you want to admit. Nothing is FREE. NOTHING. You will pay one way or the other. And there are ways to get Healthcare today with or without insurance. Go to a doctor and PAY for your own visit. Its really easy. Pay for your own visit. If you can’t, then go to the emergency room at a county hospital, they will not turn you down. See, how easy that it. Not thru the government.

        • Jim

          So you advocate not paying for health care by going to emergency rooms and having everyone else pay for you. Interesting!

      • Karen Schaaf

        And yes, Virginia, there really is a Santa Claus….you’re living in a dream world if you really believe what you’re saying. When you get cancer at the age of 65, enjoy your yearly counseling session on how to quickly and cheaply end your life.

      • minnie

        The FEDRAL GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES and of course also CONGRESS AND THE PRESIDENT ALL HAVE THE SAME INSURANCE. The OBAMACARE the one they want to pass is NOT THE SAME AS WHAT CONGRESS has. THE MEDICAID INSURANCE is 100% better than the OBAMACARE INSURANCE. DO YOUR HOMEWORK you might just JOIN US. I would not wish OBAMACARE on my worst enemy.

      • Dickie

        Virginia, I bet you either get a kick back from hussein obama, Or you poor little thing, Please don’t be a little blind mouse, Stop watching DORA THE EXPLORER, Just for fun & don’t tell anybody, But just try watching the FOX NEW’S, Just a couple of times,That is only if you can think for yourself, Unless you want to be arrogant, Or you are to scard to learn the truth, You poor little child, Satin is a very smooth talker, Have you ever bought a junk car from a cheap car saleman, The way he pushes the sell,Over & over, Telling you what a deal you are getting, Where do you think all this money is going to come from,this year with millons of people out of work,& no taxes being paid in,Virginia, ted kennedy has a health care plan for several years, And now the plan is failing now,today, If these liers can’t make it work in only one state, How in the hell do you think it is going to work for a whole nation,Take the flowers out of your hair,Drop the bell bottom’s,And stay the hell out of desney world,And for once in your life STOP WATCHING THE GOVERMENT OWN MEDIA,I realy hate to tell you but their are realy evil people out there,That will smile pretty but will tell you a story,[SORRY].

  • Carl Linden

    Why did the headline of the article name republicans? This is a huge problem with the mainstream media that seems to strive to lay all blame for protest on the republican leaning people. The article body states the Americans are whom is involved, so shouldn’t the headline have been more forthright? Man, we do not need “liberal spin” from you whom we think we can put some faith on.

  • Larry

    If the program is so good force them to enjoy the same benefits as the American public, INCLUDING Social Security instead of their pension plans.

    • http://yahoo gary

      yes,i agree…if their program was so dammed great..they would already be on it..wait a minute…they are on it..just not the same one ,you,swarthy regular people get!!!

  • http://BWC Virginia Randles

    What is wrong with the republican party? Do they want to do ANYTHING for the country and the people besides criticize EVERYTHING Obama does or tries to do? Do they have any better ideas on Healthcare reform? Do they try to work with the Democrats at all or do they just stir up the people and try to brainwash everyone into thinking that Obama’s plan is bad and he wants to kill the old people and on and on and on. Pullleeeeeeeese! Isn’t it a fact that a lot of the republican’s are getting money from lobbyists for health care officials, insurance companies, hospitals, pharmaceutical companies to stop the healthcare reform? I know it’s a fact. And it is in the MILLIONS!!! Why doesn’t anybody talk about that? They are crazy. They are not here for the American people they are all in it for themselves. Wake up America, the people need to take a stand against our congressmen and boot them all out of office. When the president puts forth a plan or a bill, let the people of the United States decide.

    • Charlie

      Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus – and Yes, Virginia, the Republicans do have a couple healthcare plans (Demint has one- Pawlenty has another and both have abeen presented to congress), but both of these men say the DemocRATS will not even consider listening to them or reading their bill. You see, it has to do with whoever is pulling Obama’s strings. And right now it seems to be “Chicago politics” as usual. DemocRATS want their bull passed and don’t want to hear any other side. All I have seen, read, and heard about the DemocRATic congress is that their way is the only way, regardless of what the American People want. And, I do agree – Politicians are for themselves and are getting in trouble. 2010 is election year!! (by the way – I am a registered DemocRAT!!! How’s that for irony?)

      • http://yahoo gary

        wow!!!.it is so nice to see someone who actually knows and understands the facts!!! you are truly a patriot and a great american citizen..and this is from a regestered republican!!! thanks,for being so honest!!!

        • Charlie

          Thanks for the compliment Gary. I guess it is easy to tell the truth when you are not a politician and will neither gain nor loose anything by being honest.
          As I see it, it is not about DemocRAT or Republican, but it is all about what is good for this Great Country we live in. We MUST protect our country from those enemies within.

    • 13th Gen. American

      Oh your so right dear. And Obama is all for the little guy. Right no handouts to the auto and banks and unions and acorn and soon healthcare and GE. and all those other big companies including al gore if cap and trade come through. Oh its a known fact Obama is helping the little guy while the mortgage companies get nothing and the Reps are all getting handouts from the drug companies. I musta misses that handout. I didnt get any but I do think the libs need a handout from the drug companies in the form of a little pill that might help them get over their overdose of koolaid the dems are handing out.

    • American Citizen

      First of all, Virginia, this is not the president’s plan. Congressional Democrats wrote it. You know what happens when a committee writes a bill.

      As for Republicans, the Democrats shut them out. The Republicans have their own plan, but the Democrats won’t let them present it.

  • http://xxxxxxxxxxxx Charles Etheze

    Obama or is it Obumma?

    Take your hope and change back to Chicago. Keep on sinking us we are
    on our way to being a Banana Republic. How do you like this hope and
    change. I didn’t vote for the Black Devil.

    • debra

      No it`s OVOMIT.

  • http://yahoo KM

    Maybe I looked at the wrong health care bill, but I see a lot of money that will be spent on educating minority people that no one has talked about. I haven’t seen anything about the good old middle class white folks being offered the opportunity.
    This seems very racist to me.
    I don’t think education for nurses, Doctors, social workers should be added to the cost. I also don’t understand how you can cover illegals, but not cover seniors citizens. It looks like they want to get votes from illegals, and cut down on their cost for seniors.

    • Charlie

      Of course it is racist. Everything Obama is trying to do and is racist.. Read anything from him, listen to him – “for the good of the underprivileged(?)” – for center city – take from the rich and give to the poor. And that poor does not include the caucasians. Listen to him – “the latino and black communities”.
      Look at the “Prof. Gates” incident. We do have a racist President. Any white President saying, doing the same things would have been severly ostacized.

      • Dee

        Charlie, … You are ‘right on’ .. Obama is finally revealing his ‘true colors’ and America is watching … He is a ‘racist’, as evidenced by his ‘stupidly’ comment against the Police Dept … He said he didn’t know any of the ‘facts’, but commented anyway .. No wonder his polls are going down!! Obama is still the ‘Organizer-in-Chief’ and somehow seems to think that his ‘words’ will convince Americans that he ‘knows what’s best for America’ .. Lets see, he goes to foreign countries and ‘Appoligizes’ for us, want’s single-payer health care, wants to close ‘Gitmo’ without any plan, opposes ‘amnesty’ so Americans can pay for the ’12-20 million illegals’ healthcare, and giving ‘War Criminals’ their Miranda Rights (they’re not even American Citizens) …Gee, he’s thinking like a ‘Lawyer’ now … He’s nieve and unqualified as POTUS … Well, there’s not enough room to go on, but you get the picture .. Americans need to make our voices heard at the ‘polls’ in 2010 & 2012 … I encourage all ‘voters’ to get ‘educated & informed’, unlike our friend here, Virginia …. It’s pretty pathetic that people on ‘park benches’ were some that gave the election to Obama … Good Old ‘Chicago Politics’ at work, along with ACORN!!! I wonder where all that ‘campaign money’ came from too!

  • http://xxxxxxxxxxxx Charles Etheze

    Cap & Trade, Ciggerite Taxes, Soda Taxes, Oh yea the middle class isn’t
    getting a tax hike. What do you expect, he’s an idiot he’s right about the hope & change all that will be left with is change in your pocket after he’s done with you.

    Don’t blame me
    I didn’t vote for the Idiot!

    How about it people wake up and see this fool for what he is now a TAX& Spend Socialist. What’s next Communism?

  • G. William

    I do not and cannot trust the government to provide for my health care. Social Security is bankrupt, Medicare is bankrupt and now they want us to sign off on a bill they have not read. This is a joke…wake up America!

    An elderly friend of mine recently had to contact Social Security and the VA about his wife’s death. It took him an entire day dealing with the incompetent government workers. Just wait until we get health care. More incompetents, waste and fraud.

  • http://GetRidofObama Paul Torsiello

    Virginia wake up and smell the Socialism!
    The next American Revolution is about to begin!

    • Dee

      Paul … the ‘Revolt’ is brewing, and Americans are waking up to the ‘Hope & Change’ they thought they were getting … but didn’t bargain for Socialism, Facism, or Progressive-ism … We need to keep the ‘momentum’ rolling and vote out all those ‘Liberals’ out of Congress in 2010 & 2012.. “Tea Parties” are getting more and more attention, so much that the White House cannot say they are ‘Unaware’ of soon … The ‘Recess Rally’s’ are getting more ‘media attention’, so the White House has been put on ‘Notice’ that Americans are ‘Mad as Hell’, and we’re not going to take it anymore … We’re not those ‘Manufactured, Astroturf Citizens’ either, we’re real people with real concerns! Those ‘Congressmen’ that vote for this ‘out-of-control’ healthcare bill WILL be voted out .. We can’t keep printing & spending money that we ‘don’t’ have like drunken sailors …

      • Don Yates

        Amen!

      • Jim

        This revolt needs to get their brown shirts cleaned

        • Don Yates

          The only brown shirts I have heard of are the would be Obama Youth, mandatory public servants. We’ll nip that in the bud too…

  • Doug

    Virgina you don’t get anything like congress gets or Federal or state or local employees. Congress will not go on this health care, and by the way they don’t pay into social secrurity either, they have their own plan that always goes up it’s rigged so they can never loose money. The federal government is suppose to work for the citizens and the states not the other way around.

  • Brian Rawls

    If you give up your guns thats it, you will become slaves. We are entering a dictatorship, these are the first steps. The last step will be to take away the right to bear arms. Stock pile your ammo, food,and supplies. WAR IS COMMING.

  • ONTIME

    This brand of a national health care bill never really had the support of any majority except for those in the majority party and a few RINO’s in the congress, it was a farce and was an attempt to force down the throats of the public but it wound up sticking in the craw of those who saw thru it and may very well be shoved up the rectum of those who created it, let’s hope so. In the mean time while this battle was fought the devious parasites of the left in the congress have managed to distract and hide the enactment of other useless ruinous bills, we now need to turn our attention to this matter.

    Oftentimes we must be reminded that earning one’s keep in a democratic republic is a requirement and that holding one’s hand out to beg may lead to the loss of that hand and enslavement results if one expects the government to to replace that need for independence.

  • Ron Steff

    Conservatives are “fighting” health care reform by lying and disrupting town hall meetings so that other view points can not be heard. That is exactly what Hitler’s Brown shirts did to bring the Nazi party into power.

    • Ray

      Oh, no my friend. You have your history upside down.

      The American Progressives of the 1930′s adored the fascism of the Nazi’s. And Mussolini was their hero. An icon of the new, modern man – his motto was “everything within the state …nothing outside the state”. Woodrow Wilson was the first American President who espoused openly fascistic views. Obama walks in Wilson’s Progressive foot steps…and he has plenty of company on the Democrat left.

      • Okfoz

        Actually Teddy Roosevelt is considered to be the first Progressive IIRC…

      • Zoltan Hahn

        RAY

        True, history is upside down
        So let me starighten it out, Wilson, possibly the most traitorous president
        you’ve ever had, WHY well for one HE IS THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY,
        that was sold a “bill of goods” and for the sake of a few bucks and other favors sold and enslaved the good old US of A PERMANENTLY by allowing the
        good old Colonel House, an agent of the Rothschild’s to set up and arrange
        the enslavement of the country and it’s population, then and for all future’s to
        that magnificent ponzi scheme known as The Federal Reserve and it’s
        sidekick collection agency the IRS. GOT IT !??
        Once and for all, it does not matter whether they are republicans or they
        are democrats, it’s all the same shit, they are merely words put on groups
        in order for the the great stupid masses for take sides with, but the reality
        is that any outcome will be much the same.
        They are both bribed by the same people, therefore they are both beholding
        to the same people, and follow their marching orders, for if they don’t
        they they disappear, and some other lump will take their place compliantly!

      • Don Yates

        “The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of “liberalism” they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowinghow it happened” Norman Thomas

    • American Citizen

      Americans are shouting at those town hall meetings because that’s the only time those politicians will hear them. It does no good to call or write to them, you get a form letter thanking you for your concern. Then they go on their merry way doing what they do best, rob us and enslave us.
      It’s time for a third party.

    • DixieConnie

      Ron: Conservatives are fighting against healthcare “reform” (I love that word) because we don’t want it rammed down our throats.

    • Don Yates

      We are a Constitutional Democracy, if you don’t like it. Leave!

      • Zoltan Hahn

        REALLY???

        TRY Republican form of government, while youre at it read the Constitution!

        • Don Yates

          How about “We are a Republic”. “We are a Democracy”.
          We have rights guaranteed by the Constituition.
          Republican is not a form of government, idiot.

        • Don Yates

          I’ll spell it right , before a left wing liberal nutcase wants to correct that, Constitution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Rita

          Sorry Don, but Zoltan is correct. And I’m no “left wing liberal nutcase.” I’m a registered Republican of the ultra-conversative ilk. America is a REPUBLIC. A republic is “a state or NATION (emphasis added) in which the supreme power rests in all the citizens entitled to vote and is expressed by representatives elected, directly or directly, by them and RESPONSIBLE TO THEM (emphasis added). Webster’s New World Dictionary of the American Language. In this case, the word “Republican” merely means, of or having the characteristics of a republic. There you go. That’s probably why Abraham Lincoln, in his Gettysburg Address, said “government of the people, by the people and for the people.”

        • Don Yates

          Thanks for the vocabulary lesson Rita. I was referring to Republican as opposed to Democrat. My point was most Americans are not ready to become socialists. The liberal left appears to want socialism. They think it can be forced upon the whole country, because they won an election. I don’t think so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111

  • JayKay

    As a lifelong Democrat, I have to draw the line at turning over my healthcare to the government. I have seen what they (both parties) have done to Medicare and Social Security. I do not want the same for health insurance and health care. I have no confidence in this issue with either party, but passing a healthcare bill on the backs of the elderly really takes the cake. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that if there is a so called public option, it will not be long before that is the only option. Barney Frank said as much. Virginia says I can keep my health insurance. My question to her is, “How do I keep an option after the company is no longer in business?” Like I said, it doesn’t take a genius. I guess I’ll have to execise my option to become an independent, because it is clear my Democratic Senators and Representative do not plan to represent me in congress.

  • Okfoz

    I am and have never been a registered Democrat or Republican. I am happy to see that most of us apparently agree that this whole thing is nothing more than a money grab. How do they expect me to believe that they can run health care when they cannot even run a simple 1 Bil Cash for clunkers, let alone a Trillion dollar Health care program.

    • s c

      It’s worse than that, Okfoz. Some of the major players responsible for the economy sliding into the toilet are also part of b o’s administration. B O’s Attorney General and Queen Pelosi don’t want these people investigated.
      That means there is no justice in this swine herd. B O’s defective sense of ‘transparency’ is finally ‘coming home to roost.’ As b o’s flunkies in congress get their just desserts this summer, let them ponder what they can do with those half-@$$#* plans and their Nazi methods.
      These morons are so out-of-touch that they can’t understand why people are so mad at them [duh!]. Americans are allergic to domestic enemies and back-stabbers. That’s why!

  • http://socializedhealthcare Eileen Barayasarra

    Evidently Virginia has not read any parts of the proposed healthcare bill. Don’t feel bad, Virginia! The Congressmen and Senators have not read it either! You are in good company. You or I will never get the kind of coverage those people have. You and I will get whatever they decide we can have. Wait 3 years to see a specialist. That means your overworked family practice dr. says you have cancer or a bad heart, you wait 3 years to see the cancer or heart doctor! Most people save the government a lot of money by dying while waiting! My son lives in North Idaho about 100 miles south of Canada. You can hardly get in to a hospital in CoeurD’Alene Idaho or Spokane, WA due to the parking lot being full of Canadian vehicles. These are only the Canadians who can afford to pay cash. POOR Canadians have to sit at home waiting to die. Our government is already managing a healthcare system. VA Hospitals! Some are very good, but some are terrible! I have had 3 elderly uncles treated at the Boise Idaho VA. It is excellent for the most part. So is Albuquerque NM where another uncle and a cousin have been treated. But, when my uncle lived in southern NM, I took him to the El Paso VA and it was a filthy dump! He was on the same 20 medications for 20 years and felt lousy the entire time there. When he had to move in with his daughter north of Albuquerque, they were quick to take him off all 20 and replace them with 3. He felt 20 years younger! VA care is hit-or-miss, depending on where you happen to be. Is that what we want here? There are good and bad hospitals in my area. I have the choice to not go to the bad ones NOW! Will I under the government plan? I doubt it. We now have the choice of suing a bad doctor or hospital for malpractice or carelessness. Will we under the government plan? We will have no choice and we will have to just take our chances. Frankly, the chances do not sound promising under the government plan. A word to the wise- – if you ever sue a doctor or a hospital, no other doctor will accept you as a patient. We were warned about that after our local hospital and (one nurse and one doctor) almost killed my husband twice in two days. We did not sue because he has a terminal illness and HAS to have doctors! Medical care is far from perfect here now. PLEASE DO NOT LET THE GOVERNMENT MAKE IT WORSE! Virginia, I think you need to go back to watching Soap Operas and American Idol and not bother your little head about any of this. Either that or READ THE BILL! There is a part about “increasing the time between pregnancies” (FORCED ABORTIONS??) and there is a part about not treating elderly and counseling them to just let nature take it’s course or make other end-of-life decisions. That means denying treatment, Virginia! That means either giving them enough pain meds so they die in peace or else letting them suffer as they die. EITHER WAY, THEY DIE! I am not ready to accept that.

    • Jim

      What’s this 3 years nonsense. Too much Kool-Aid here! Your depiction of the Canadian system is quite distorted. All the Canadians I know (and I know a lot of them) would not agfree with this hysterical depiction

  • Nancy

    Dear Sir,
    Why can’t there be health care for only the ones who don’t have it?
    Why group all of us who have health care with everyone else?
    And I’m not referring to all the people that are here without papers,
    from across the border or else where.What has happened to America?
    I want more tea parties and have the American people depend on
    their self worth and achievements,not big brother,or big
    goverment.Obama scares me All those people he put in his
    cabinet or else where just remind me of the mafia.He apparently
    does’nt like his country very much.
    Thanks,
    Nancy

  • Margaret Munday

    I HEARDTHE EXACT SECTION AND PAGE OF THE HOUSE BILL WHERE BOTH OF THESE PARTS OF THE LAW ARE GIVEN THAT PROVIDE FOR ABORTION, EVEN PARTIAL BIRTH, AND FOR EUTHANASIA. (ASSISTED SUICIDE) GET RID OF THE BABIES AND THE ELDERLY, AS WELL AS THE TERMINALLY ILL. THAT WILL SAVE A LOT OF MONEY! YOU KNOW A LOT OF OUR SENATORS AND CONGRESSMEN ARE 65 OR OLDER. I WONDER IF THEY ARE GOING TO GET “END OF LIFE” COUNSELING EVERY 5 YEARS?? WANNA BET??? THIS HEALTHCARE IS A HUGE DEFICIT, HUGE RAISE IN TAXES, AND A BUREAUCRAT TELLING YOU WHAT IF ANY HEALTHCARE YOU CAN RECEIVE. WAKE UP AMERICA! IF YOU LISTENED TO FOX NEWS,OR READ THE WASHINGTON POST OR SOME OTHER CONSERVATIVE NEWSPAPER, INSTEAD OF OBAMA’S FIXED BOUGHT OFF MEDIA, YOU KNOW HE HAS DIRECT TIES TO NBC (THIS IS A MATTER OF RECORD), THEN YOU MIGHT KNOW THESE THINGS. IT IS ALL TRUE, WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT, AND IF THIS HEALTH BILL PASSES, THEN YOU WILL FIND OUT WE ARE RIGHT, BUT IT WILL BE A LITTLE TOO LATE. I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU AND YOUR BLIND OBAMA FOLLOWERS WHO REFUSE TO SEE THE TRUTH. i DON’T BLAME THOSE TOWN MEETING PROTESTERS FOR SHOUTING! IF I COULD GET TO ONE, I WOULD DO A LOT OF SHOUTING TOO! I AM DARN MAD ABOUT WHAT OBAMA AND HIS FOLLOWERS ARE DOING TO AMERICA!!!!!

    • Don Yates

      Thank You!

    • 13th Gen. American

      YES, Yes and also sending money to other countries for abortions too. I say send them all the money they need for food. Send them food but money to kill babies!!!!God help us. Dear God. I didnt vote for this guy. Im sorry for them, Remember you said Father forgive them they know not what they do. This really really really applies to our leaders now so can you please hold off on the floods and famines and plagues for a bit till we can do something about these people…PLLEASE Were sorry we let the enemy in our house in the first place but you know how hard it is to get unwanted guests out. So just give us a bit longer to get your country back. Thank You.AMEN

  • Mike

    You know what I see here on this website? I see a few people that are only for the Democratic party! I can tell all of you that agree with what Obama, and his henchmen are trying to do, that you had better wake up! Forget about the party, think about your Country! This guy is out to destroy America, and if some of you can’t see that, then you are blind! We the people have to, and will stop this poor excuse for a President!maybe there are some of you that think that we cannot stop him, and his party, but there are only 536 POLITICIANS in Washington that think that they can do whatever they want! Well my dear Americans, there are over 300 million of us, that are saying that they can’t do whatever they want! So to use his words, YES WE CAN!!!!
    Remember they work for us! We are the boss not them, even if they think otherwise!

    • Jim

      I am thinking about my country. I put my country ahead of insurance companies.

  • Dee

    Virginia, … I hope and pray that you’ve been ‘reading’ the other posts regarding your comments … This ‘healthcare’ bill is another step closer to ‘Socialism’, and the ‘Chicago Politics’ by this Administration .. Do you wonder why Rohm Immanuel is taking the ‘Blue Dog Democrats’ to the ‘woodshed’ for an arm-breaking meeting? Many of the Democrats are ‘not onboard’ this plan, and they are looking out for ‘themselves’ in the 2010 elections .. Americans are ‘rising up’ against this bill and Congress!! Any Politician who votes ‘FOR’ this bill, will pay a price at the polls next year! Hopefully you watch TV and see how ‘upset’ Americans are .. and they are NOT ‘Manufactued, Astroturf’ citizens … We’re from all over the Country .. How can so many ‘Patriotic Americans’ be so upset over this bill, you ask ?… Because it’s akin to ‘patient dumping’ …. We will be told how to manage our healthcare by the Govt., instead of our Doctors …and what ‘treatments’ the Govt. will pay for .. So, if you need a ‘hip replacement’ when you’re 85, you’re too old, and pain pills will be your ‘only’ choice …. You will be ‘old’ one day, and I hope you realize now what it could mean to YOU, as you age … Your ‘vote’ for this bill will affect everyone in YOUR family as well … from your ageing parents to a ‘child’ born with a birth defect .. The Govt will ‘decide’ who can live and who won’t… it’s just that simple … Whatever decision you make, make it an ‘informed, educated’ one … As I said in an earlier post, I don’t have health insurance for myself .. but this plan would NOT be a ‘public option’ for me …

  • Charlie

    I find it strange that we all are blaming Obama for this disasterous healthcare plan. It is not his plan. He doesn’t even know what is in it – hasn’t read it! He has left it up to congress to draft a bill, vote on it and pass it. See, that way he can, once again, stay on the sideline and coach his team. Then, if it does finally get to be a good bill and he signs it, he can take credit for doing a good thing. But, if it is voted down by the intelligent congressmen (yes, there is a few), then Obama can say he did not propose any of it and blame congress for it not passing. Our narcissistic President has been very good at passing the buck and laying blame on others as he can do no wrong

    • Dee

      AMEN!!! He’s a narcissist and a racist! He’s passed this off to ‘Congress’, and what would you like to bet, by the time this gets ‘voted’ on, there will be 9,000 earmarks in it too !!.. Of course, Obama will say ‘it’s old business from the previous administration’, so he’ll sign it …and it will be ‘larger’ then $1.6 Trillion too … Our ‘grandchildren’ will be born in ‘escrow’ by the time Obama spends their money … Lord, what will America look like in 2010? It won’t look like the America that I know & love…

    • American Citizen

      Charlie, you’re right, he has passed the buck on this. He’s letting Pelosi and the rest of the Dems write this bill. They know what he wants, he just won’t say it himself. He had a hidden agenda all during the campaign, anybody who really listened to him could tell that.
      As I told Virginia up above, he’s selling snake oil for our health. I called him a snake oil salesman all during the campaign to anyone who would listen. Unfortunately, too many were like the kids in “Pinochio” who followed the rates and turned into jackasses.

      • DixieConnie

        I want to know, How did they write this bill so fast? If it has 1000 pages, who wrote all of this and why hasn’t it been read? How can they pass a bill that they don’t know what is in it? This is CRAZY. And why MUST we like it and abide by it? This is all nuts.

        • KarenS

          Good point, DixieConnie. This has obviously been in the hopper for more than a couple of months!

        • http://AOL Mich

          I do know that ACORN, SEIU and a group called APOLLO is involved in the writting of this Bill just like they were involved in writting the Stimulus Bill.

        • DixieConnie

          Mich: OMG !!!! Now that is so scarey. I have not heard any of that. Not that I don’t believe it, I just have not heard that. We need to get this out to the public. Has no one asked, Who wrote this bill? WOW we are like puppets.

  • Rod

    The more I hear the old lefties talk these days the more I hear them say— I would
    not have voted for Obama if I had known what he meant by CHANGE! He is out to
    destroy our country and he WILL FAIL!!!! We the people have spoken! His popularity
    with the very people that voted him into office has fallen off greatly. People are
    finding out Satan can smile at you as he distroys you. I say good for you S.C. and
    Ginger Watts and Cherry and Rhonda Kaye Hammin. Where were you Virginia
    when God gave out the brains?? Also Virginia, Who’s the FREAK? Obama is
    headed for failure just like Hitler and Stalin and Nero and all the rest of the FOOLS
    that have thought people can’t think for themselves. Each day as I talk to more and
    more lefties I find that they are seeing what this freak is doing and they are asking
    themselves how they could have been that dumb? NOW, we have to get out there
    and VOTE these CREEPS out of office! NEUTRALIZE Obama and his Criminals!
    Call your Congressman and Senators and let them have an ear full of how the
    Americans, you know what I mean, REAL United States of America citizens
    feel about what these CREEPS are up to! Which brings up another subject so
    dear to my heart. No, Obama was not born in the United States of America! He
    is not a citizen and therefore is not the President of the united States!

  • American Citizen

    Those who are for the Democrats’ health care plan want it because they think they will again get something for nothing. But the truth is, they will pay for it, one way or another. There is no such thing as a free lunch, especially when it comes to the government.

    • DixieConnie

      Slaves. We will all be slaves to the government. Is that what the Liberals want? Do they not understand they too will be enslaved with this ruling. Where is their thinking?

  • Rod

    I received an E Mail the other day and this is what it was in it. I think it is worth passing along and think it worthy for everyone that reads this to pass along.
    That is those of you who value your freedom.
    Paul Hollrah over at FSM thinks that the issue of Obama’s REAL birth place
    can be resolved by Obama answering one simple question:
    What passport did he use when he was shuttling between New York, Jakarta
    and Karachi?
    So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981 without
    the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a
    round- the- worldtrip just one month later?
    And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York, Jakarta, and Karachi,
    what passport was he offering when he passed through customs and Immagration?
    The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, They
    MUST have answers!
    It makes the debate over Obama’s citizenship a rather short and simple one.
    Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20? Yes, by his own admission.
    What passport did he travel under?
    There are only three possibilities. He traveled with a U.S. passport, he traveled
    with a British passport, Obama traveled with an indonesia passport.
    Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. passport in 1981? No. It is not
    possible! Reason, Pakistan was on the State Department’s “no travel ” list. in
    1981.
    Conclusion:
    When Obama went to pakistan in 1981, he was traveling either with a British
    passport or an Indonesian passport.
    If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born
    in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he were taraveling
    with an Indonesian passport, that would tend to prove relinquished whatever
    previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his
    Indonesian step-father in 1967.
    Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a “naturalborn American citizen between 1981 and 2008!
    Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech before Congress, and the disastrous spending plan, he has presented to Congress
    the sooner we learn the truth of all of this, THE BETTER!

    If you don’t care that your President is nat a natural born Citizen and in Violation
    of the Constitution, then Delete this and go into your cocoon.
    If you do care, then forward this and inform everyone you know or talk to

    • http://AOL Mich

      http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2009/pdf/E9-1712.pdf Read this, Obama has signed an executive order to seal ALL of his records.

      • DixieConnie

        WHY would he do that if he had nothing to hide. What is going on here?

    • http://AOL Mich

      BTW The man that hacked into the passport site before the election, he was shot to death in his car hmmmmm sounds kinda odd doesn’t it?

  • steven jeffries

    i see it this way its all about Power to thee elitists no one rembers previous failures by the bill and hill show on this subject in the years i’ve worked my best years have been under Rep’s tenure Reagan I made alot of money same with Bush and i used to be a demoncrat but i never voted a straight ticket look at the way Your world is being shaped and its funny dem’s controled last 2 yrs of bush yet all of this is his fault so they say …. I may have the numbers switch as to population with no health care but then again I’ve never depended on Gov’t and I don’t intend to EVER its the lazy and treditional professional bums that want this plan

  • James Corbin

    I am a democrat, but I didn’t vote for Obama—- I’m not that CRAZY!!!!!!!!

  • Ken Gourley

    Eileen Barraaasarra? I hope that is correct. I don’t know what your motive but your entire note is a flat out lie, the only people that go south for treatment are those that are not life threatening. However many people in border communities from the USA have Canadian medical cards. I know of nobody that has been deprived of health care here, but have family that died in California from what should have been minor treatment. Nobody in the Canadian system other than your Dr. will recommend/ or not any proceedure. If you don’t like that you can change Dr.’s it is called second opinion. I do not know your motive but you’ve presented false and missleading information. Canada’s system and that of many other countries COVERS EVERYBODY EQUALLY no e4xceptions period!! Our system is so much better than that of the USA it is impossible to compare. The USA for the most part is very third world or less!

  • http://socializedhealthcare Eileen Barayasarra

    For Ken Gourley, Do not take my word for it. Go stand in the parking lot of the hospitals in Spokane, WA or Coeur D’Alene Idaho or any other city within 100 miles of the border. Ask those people why they have come to the US for costly care when it is “free” at home? I am delighted that you are pleased with the care you have received. Not every Canadian seems to agree with you.

    • Lindy

      Hey Eileen… did you forget about the busloads of seniors that travelled by the thousands to go to Canada for cheaper prescription medication?? Same drugs, made by the same pharmaceutical companies but half the price. Let’s not forget the Canadian online pharmacies that saved seniors money AND the price a of bus ticket. For every rich Canadian trying to jump to the front of the line in Coeur D’Alene there were dozens of US seniors travelling to Canada for basic medicines prescribed by their doctors.

      • American Citizen

        Lindy, the reason the drugs are cheaper in Canada is because the Canadian government will only pay so much for each drug. We here in the States have to make up the difference.

        Plus, our money is worth more in Canada than it is here, at least it used to be. I don’t know what the exchange is now since our money is not worth as much as it used to be and it’s been a few years since we’ve been up there.

        • Jim

          Nonsense, the Canadian government can bargain for good prices, our government is forbidden to do so by laws writen by the Bush Administration, to favor the drug companies over Americans.

  • The Insurgent (formerly: FRW)

    strong textIt’s NOT a “health-care” bill (I would call it NObama’s DeathCare Bill anyway), but the total socialisation of America, contrary to our Christian Constitution and faith, based on some talmudic SovietGulagUnio-type model.
    READ THIS:

    “Liberals seek to silence and demonize those who oppose their socialism

    New poll shows those opposing ObamaCare are in the majority
    August 5, 2009
    Gary Bauer sent out a special alert yesterday concerning how the liberal politicians and liberal media outlets are seeking to silence those who are speaking out against out of control spending and the take over of vital industries. The liberals are upset that common citizens like you are exercising their right to free speech, and are using it to let the liberals know they have had enough and are going to let their voice be heard.

    I urge you to get involved, stand up and speak out. Make the phone calls, send the e-mails, make the phone calls. Don’t let the liberal left silence you! The future of our country and our children and grandchildren is at stake. The ugly name calling shows that your voices are being heard. Please keep it up!

    Here is what Gary had to say:
    “All over the country, normal citizens are exercising their God-given rights of assembly, free speech and dissent. It is important for elected members of Congress to hear from their constituents, and it is a healthy exercise for our democratic republic.
    “But the reaction from some in the media and political establishment has been very disturbing. It appears as though there is a coordinated effort to delegitimize public dissent, which strikes at the heart of our constitutional guarantee of free speech. Here is a sample of statements we have collected in the past 24 hours:

    • “One member of Congress from Texas referred to his own constituents as “a mob,” saying, “This mob…did not come just to be heard, but to deny others the right to be heard.”

    • “From the DemocRATic National Committee: “Republicans and their allied groups — desperate after losing two consecutive elections and every major policy fight on Capitol Hill — are inciting angry mobs of a small number of rabid right wing extremists funded by K Street Lobbyists to disrupt thoughtful discussions about the future of health care in America taking place in Congressional Districts across the country.”

    • “From a Virginia congressman(a RAT too): “When you look at the fervor of some of these people who are all being whipped up by the right-wing talking heads on Fox, to me, you’re crossing a line.”

    • “White House Spokesman Robert Gibbs: “I hope people will take a jaundiced eye to what is clearly the Astroturf nature of grass-roots lobbying. This is manufactured anger.”

    • “ClintonNewsNetwork (CNN) commentator and political strategist Donna Brazile: “They’re renting organizers. The left has done it. Now they’re doing it. This little small band of protesters are trying to stop members *[of Congress] from doing their jobs.”*

    “The same leftists who for years applauded when demonstrators took over the streets to protest the Iraq war, amnesty for illegal aliens or who attacked churches that supported marriage remaining between a man and woman, suddenly see a few hundred retirees, small businessmen, homemakers, farmers, sales clerks and just plain folks as evidence of ‘rightwing extremism.’

    “My friends, the Ultra-Far-Left believes that name-calling can intimidate you into silence. Don’t cave! As an American, you have a right to express your views to the politicians who WORK FOR YOU, even if they don’t like it.

    “The fact is, you are in the majority now – not the leftists trying to push talmudic socialism on you. The American people do not want government-run healthcare, as a new poll out today from Quinnipiac University shows. The poll found that ’52 percent of American voters disapprove of the way [the president] is handling the health-care issue and 39 percent approve.’ Here’s more from the poll: By a whopping 72%-to-21% margin, voters don’t believe healthcare reform will be paid for or be ‘deficit neutral.’ And by a 20-point margin, 57%-to-37%, voters say healthcare reform should be abandoned if it adds to the deficit.

    “By the way, the Washington, D.C., newspaper The Hill reported this weekend that labor unions and leftwing organizations “will spend between $10 million and $20 million this month to twist lawmakers’ arms over the stalled healthcare reform effort in Congress” and the Employee Free Choice Act. So, ACORN, Big Labor and other groups can organize and protest in support of the liberal agenda, but how dare anyone speak up against it!

    “My fear, given the stakes and emotions on both sides, is that union thugs, ACORN activists and leftwing anarchists (who ransacked the streets of Minneapolis and St. Paul during last year’s Republican National Convention) will turn violent and innocent people will get hurt. If that happens, the radical Left will bear the responsibility for demonizing free speech.”

    FREE AMERICA FROM BOLSHEVISM!

  • The Insurgent (formerly: FRW)

    The Insurgent (formerly: FRW) on August 6th, 2009 at 7:55 am: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    My God , my comment await ‘moderization’. Ahhha, under “Personalliberty” huh?
    Can you believe that? Preaching water but drinking wine.. How nice, how hypocrit.

  • http://AOL Mich

    I am not a supporter of this so called Healthcare Bill. I am 47 self-employed Healthcare worker and uninsured. If this Bill passes the gov’t can kiss my rear!! On page 59 it states you will have to give the gov’t your bank acct# so they can withdrawl money from your acct monthly, well I have news for them I will close my acct’s. This Bill is age discrimination, I see many law suits coming over this Bill. I think the best thing to do if it passes is a complete rebellion by the American people!! Our own gov’t is making fun of the American people that do not support this Bill, they seem to think we are being paid to protest, what they fail to see is that the American people are pissed off! They have no idea what is about to hit them right square in the face it is call We The People!! They have never seen our rath because people have given to much trust to our elected officials but the sleeping giant is awake now! Also in this Bill is over 1000 earmarks, yep more special interest payments for Obama supporters. Join me and hopefully many other’s in Washington DC on 9/12/2009 to let your voices be heard! God bless our great nation.

  • Other Larry

    Comrades the landscape is changing and the Kool-Aid won’t taste quite as sweet next year! Certainly change is forthcoming, I know several in Canada; some would be dead if they hadn’t come to the U.S. for care and treatment. Our system certainly can use reform, but burning down a house to BBQ a pig is not the answer. Reforming in a week without reading it is not the answer, the only urgency is so they can get back to Cap & Trade, Card Check and the next revolutionary rock they so desire to turn over. Elitist do not ….. need, want or care about your opinion, we elected a boat load or allowed them to stay long enough that they became so superior.

  • Read the bill

    A Few highlights from the first 500 pages of the Healthcare Bill in congress
    Contact your Representatives and let them know how you feel about this. We,
    as a country, cannot afford another 1000 page bill to go through congress
    without being read. Another 500 pages to go. I have highlighted a few of the
    items that are downright unconstitutional.
    Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure
    Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed
    Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits
    you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
    Page 42: The “Health Choices Commissioner” will decide health benefits
    for you. You will have no choice. None.
    Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free
    healthcare services.
    Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Health card.
    Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all
    individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
    Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community
    organizer health plans
    Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to
    participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
    Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare
    Exchange (I.e., total government control of private plans)
    Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services;
    translation: illegal aliens
    Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up
    individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
    Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you
    have no choice in the matter.
    Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No
    judicial review” is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply,
    private Insurers will be crushed.
    Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
    Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run
    public plan. No alternatives.
    Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families
    Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not
    offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll
    Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not
    offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
    Page 167: Any individual who doesn’t have acceptable healthcare
    (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
    Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes
    (Americans will pay for them).
    Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy
    will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
    Page 203: “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax
    (yes, it really says that)
    Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and
    the poor most affected
    Page 241: Doctors: no matter what specialty you have, you’ll all be paid
    the same (thanks, AMA!)
    Page 253: Government sets value of doctors’ time, their professional
    judgment, etc.
    Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private
    healthcare industries.
    Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven
    wheelchairs.
    Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
    Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems
    preventable re-admissions.
    Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission
    that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
    Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited from owning and investing in
    healthcare companies
    Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand
    without government approval.
    Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on “community” input: in other words,
    yet another payoff for ACORN.
    Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: I
    e., rationing.
    Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
    Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS
    individuals.
    Page 379: More bureaucracy: Tele-health Advisory Committee (healthcare by
    phone).
    Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior
    Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
    Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills,
    durable powers=2 0of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate
    taxes ahead of time.
    Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources,
    guiding you in death.
    Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment;
    government dictates how your life ends.
    Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment
    as patient’s health deteriorates.
    This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the
    GOVERNMENT.
    Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at
    end-of-life.
    Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
    Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for
    ACORN.
    Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government
    intervenes in your marriage.
    Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining,
    creating and rationing those services.

    • American Citizen

      Gives truth to what we have been saying, the devil is in the details. We don’t want this bill!!!!

      Hurrah for Rep. Darrell Issa. Rahm Emanuel was using Chicago style tactics to threathen Arizona’s govenor because Rep. Kyl gave a speech against the government plans. Issa sent him a letter telling him to stop using those tactics or else.

      We need an uprising in this country against this Obama Administration. It is as corrupt and full of thieves and liars, if not more so, than any administration on record.

    • DixieConnie

      Where did you find this? What website. Go to http://www.fleming.house.gov and vote that if we have to have this healthcare system then the Congressmen and Senators also have to have it. Please go vote for this.

    • DixieConnie

      I ask again: WHO wrote this?

    • 1stAmendmentDave

      How did you get access to the “HELLthcare” bill? You must be connected! Wow, this is even worse than I imagined it would be. I got a reply back from my Congressman saying this bill would also add 53 new government agencies – as if Obama adding; what is it 32 czars isn’t enough? The president is trying to turn our country into an “obama-nation” (pun intended) Please keep up the good work! I’m anxious, (but afraid) to see what the rest (518 pages) has in store.

    • Jim

      Just for starters, nowhere on page 29 does it say that Health Care is rationed. Are the rest of your claims as accurate?

  • Rod

    Listen carefully folks. Unless we, the people, get off our duffs and start calling your
    representitives in Washington and letting them know how we feel, they are going
    to stick this “healthcare plan” right where the sun don’t shine! Tell everyone you
    know and / or E Mail to talk to their Congressman and Senators and let it all hang
    out! This CREEP and his CRIMINALS need to be put in their place! This DUDE
    and his fellow CRIMINALS need to be stopped. Talk to Republicans, Democrats,
    Independents and anyone else who will listen. All of our freedoms are going down
    the tubes with this so called “health care plan”. If you don’t believe me, READ THE
    DAMN THING! Obama is destroying our country as we speak. Again, WE WANT
    TO SEE HIS REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND HIS PASSPORTS FROM 1981
    to 2008. WE MUST DEMAND TO SEE THE RECORDS FROM THE UNIVERSITY
    HE ATTENDED! Call your Congressman and Senators and tell them the American
    people have a right to see these records and we demand to see them!!!! NOW!!!!

  • Rod

    REPLY to MICH. So then we have to find a way to get his records, Birth Certificate,
    passports and Collage records. ALL OF THEM. Then present them to the people,
    I mean the real Citizens of the United States of America! Get the message out to
    all the lefties what they are up against with this CREEP and his fellow CRIMINALS.
    Don’t forget, these CREEPS have to be AWARE! WE THE PEOPLE ARE
    COMMING!!!!

    • http://AOL Mich

      How do we do that Rod? I will fight to the end for our Country against this Traitor. I am so frustrated I cannot believe what is happening but it is. The very people we have voted for to represent us have turned their backs on us.

  • American Citizen

    We’re rapidly coming to the place where the Feds will say to us, “Got any money, send it up to us.” They will know as they will have all our private information. George Orwell’s 1984 coming true.

  • Other Larry

    The Audacity Admininstration? Just trust me, it will all work out ….. time to pull your friends away for the Big Screen TV and go to work!

    • 1stAmendmentDave

      I couldn’t agree more, Other Larry! Go to a town meeting – ignore the “liberal plants” sent to pick fights with those who are exercizing their 1st amendment rights. And write your repesentstives: http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/index.html
      email the link – spread the word!

  • http://socializedhealthcare Eileen Barayasarra

    Reply to Lindy: What do you mean rich Canadians trying to jump in front of the line? Here there is no line, no waiting list unless you need an organ transplant and must wait for a donor to die. You may wait an hour in the doctor’s office on a busy day, but there is no line. Yes, our pharmaceutical companies do charge us an awful lot. Other countries get better prices than we do. When my mother and step-father were alive they lived in the south near the Mexican border. We used to drive down and get their meds for less than half price. Gasoline too. Now it is too dangerous because of the drug cartels and violence. It is getting that way in Idaho too. Our lousy politicians from both parties refuse to close our borders, so we are becoming like a third world country. Gangs, gunfire, and grafitti. Our politicians just DO NOT GET IT! They seem to be shocked by how ANGRY Americans are!
    They are bound to understand if we keep telling them! Even someone as stupid as a politician catches on eventually. At least we are not violent the way Obama’s friends were during the 1968 Democrat Convention. Mad Democrats kill people, set fire to colleges and cities. Republicans are much nicer than that. Much more civilized than back in the 1960′s and ’70′s when the SDS and Black Panthers were on the rampage. I still do not understand why those people are not in prison. Now most of them are wealthy and teaching their Communism in mainstream universities. Or fundraising in Chicago- – - for the Democrats.

    • Margaret Munday

      Obama’s forces he is sending out to “shout down” and “do everything in their power” to stop those “angry mobs” at the town halls have decided to use force. His thugs from SEIU union and Acorn went up to a black townhall protester who was passing out buttons and flags saying “Don’t Tread on Me” at a St.Louis Townhall Meeting. Four of the thugs destroyed his stand, threw him to the ground, and began kicking him in the head, ribs, and legs. Finally the cops came and stopped them. The man was taken to a hospital where he was kept overnight. Six men were arrested. None of the Townhall protesters have ever gotten violent, but as soon as Obama’s thugs came to disrupt the honest protesters, Chicago politics began, and here comes the clubs and next the guns. Chicago mobsters/Gestapo sounds a lot alike. Funny too….Fox network was the only one who told the details about the incident. The other networks just said there was a riot at the townhall meeting and six people were arrested. Hhmmmmm….I wonder why??? Obama bought press?

  • DixieConnie

    Obama is losing it. He is now telling his crowd to go shut up the other crowd. Saying the ones that made this mess need to stop talking and sit down. ha !!!! (this was in Virginia)

    Who is this person?

  • http://socializedmedicineearthritis Eileen Barayasarra

    What did I say about violent Democrats??!!! Now they are sending Union THUGS and ACORN GOONS to Town Hall Meetings to beat up people who do not agree with Obama! Most of the attendees are elderly people. How BRAVE of the Democrats! About what I expected.

    • Jim

      Where do you get this nonsense. The only violence has been from the Republican plants. Get real, stop lying.

      • http://socializedmedicineearthritis Eileen Barayasarra

        Jim must be married to Virginia. Evidently he does not watch FOX NEWS. They interviewed the man whose booth was destroyed and who was beaten up by some of Obama’s little pea-brained friends. Denial is a strange thing. If it is too painful to comprehend, a person will never be able to comprehend it. Jim, scroll back up and read Margaret Munday’s reply to me. We are not lying, YOUR PRESIDENT IS!!

  • http://1stAmendmentDave Dave Vance

    Bloggers / fellow Americans,
    I have read a lot of your comments. I see your view points and I can feel your passion about these important issues that face our nation. We seem to spend a lot of time venting our concerns and frustrations to each other… but have we written our Senators and Congressman? Do THEY know how we feel? I know many (if not most of us) wonder if they truly “represent” us and serve us, as they were elected to do. However, if we don’t TELL them what we want – how will they know? Let’s at least give them the opportunity to hear our voices! If they CHOOSE to ignore us, at least we will have made the effort, AND we have the power to vote them out of office. The key is to get involved. Here is a link to contact them
    Here is a link to contact them: http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/index.html

    • American Citizen

      I have gone to so many links that say to contact our congress people. After I fill out my info and try to submit, it says you have to fill out everything marked with a red arrow, dot, etc. and this is usually asking how much I will contribute. If one is not marked, you cannot submit your vote. We are senior citizens on a fixed income and cannot afford to contribute to our usual charitable organizations except our church due to major health problems. We due what we can when we can. So I’ve given up on going to these links. The only one I can send on is News Max. I will do what I can by blogging and voting. At the moment, I’m trying to convert a liberal grandson.

  • Read the bill

    No, I’m not politically connected. Anyone can read the whole bill from the House of Representatives here:
    http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf
    I wrote to Senator John Cornyn of TX to ask if he’d put a summary of the key points on his website. No answer yet.
    The list I posted was sent to me by a friend. Didn’t realize until after “submit comment” that I didn’t make that clear (sorry, busy workday).
    But look through the bill yourselves and decide.

    • Jim

      I have been reading it and it does NOT say what your friend has in that list. that list has been around and atrtibuted to for one a doctor, which I don’t believe for a second. You are being duped!

  • valorie matthews

    The Obama death care package is nohting more than the final solution the the elderly problem. My mother will be 93 on 9/11, how long do you think she’ll live under Obama care. She broke her hip at 91 and made a complete recovery. Obama would give her a pain pill and tell her to die quickly. No lingering, it’s soooo expensive. Keep them doped up so they won’t know their being killed. Wouldn’t want any pesky seniors fighting for their lives. It’s lucky that Obama’s mother and grandmother died of natural couses before he came to power. It saves him the trouble of personally getting rid of them.

    • debra

      yeah Valorie..isn`t it very odd that his grandmother died the day before the election. No one left to say where he was really born. How the gov. can say my 83 yr old mother is less valueable than some drugged out gang banger who has no purpose on this earth..I will take her to another country before I allow that. And yes I have read the bill.

  • Rod

    Well Mitch, I firmly believe that this CREEP and Pelosi and the rest of his
    criminals are going to FAIL! You can see signs of it Now, ie, the town halls.
    I believe we have to tell everyone we can to keep them informed of what
    this creep is doing and I believe we have to SCREAM it out to our Congressman
    and Senators. I also believe we have to convince people that that they need
    to VOTE-VOTE-VOTE!!!! I believe we can neutralize the Obama’s and the
    Pelosi’s and the rest of those people! I also believe we have them worried!!
    We have to keep telling people what is going on in Washington. The 2010
    elections can make a big differience in Congress. I call my Congressman
    and Senators all the time and I keep reminding them, the American Citizens
    are FED- UP and we are going to VOTE. I have talked to many of the Democrats
    that voted for this Creep and more of them are saying, if they had known what
    this CREEP meant when he said he would bring change, they would not have
    voted for him.

    • Jim

      People did finally open their eyes and they voted. Open yours!

      • Don Yates

        What did you vote for? Hope and change? What the hell is that? Or was he the right color? Tell the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

        • Jim

          I did vote for hope and change and for someone in the white house who can think and lead. We got that.

          Obsessed with color I see? And you’re not a racist?

        • Don

          Yeah he thinks and leads with his teleprompter. He’s a great speech reader. I don’t care what color he happens to be, I’m not a socialist. As far as where we are being led, we’ll see. So far it’s just into more debt and socialism. But as long as your mailbox money keeps coming in, who cares? See you in the unemployment line….

      • American Citizen

        Jim, the people closed their eyes to what he was really saying and voted because of his being able to be the “First Black President.” It’s also possible to be the first worst president.

    • debra

      I think the American people should band together and demand that bitch Nancy Pelosi should resign. She has said some horrible things ..like the CIA lies,and called us astroturf and carrying nazi signs. Where does she get the nerve?? Her arrogance. Obama,Pelosi,Reid,Kenney,Dodd,and Fag Frank have forgotten they work for us,we pay the pay checks,and the insurance they have. we are the boss of them. If anyone at the workplace had said what Pelosi said..they would be fired!! Pelosi needs to be FIRED>>>>

      • Jim

        I’m paying her salary, and I think she does a pretty good job. Better than that Boehnert who can’t get anything right. The CIA did lie, many times.

        “Fag Frank” . Such intelligent discourse is refreshing in this day and age.

  • Rod

    REPLY TO MITCH
    If we inform people Obama,s hiding his records (so far) to keep the American people
    from proving he is not a Citizen of the United States of America and therefore
    cannot be the President of the United States of America. Yes, I believe if we can
    convince people to DEMAND the release of Obama,s Birth Certificate, as well as
    his passports and his Collage papers, we will get rid of alot of TRASH!

    • Don

      His college records probably show him as a foreign exchange student from Kenya or Malaysia. If he was born in Hawaii, he would have already shown his birth certificate. How could anyone have voted for someone that has no verifiable history? You can’t hardly get a job at Walmart with a background check anymore.

  • Rod

    My eye’s are open JIM. I can see clearly, YOURS ARE NOT!

    • Don Yates

      Jim only voted for hope and change? I think most of Obama’s support was based only on his race, the black half….

  • American Citizen

    Jim, the Canadian government does to the pharmaceutical companies what Wal-Mart does to its suppliers. We will pay this amount and no more. That is not bargaining, that is coercion. It’s either accept the deal or not be able to sell the product.

    • Jim

      The free market is fine until you have to play in it, eh?

  • American Citizen

    I believe I heard the President say all people would be on Medicare. Oh, dear, Medicare is not free. That’s why on page 59 of the bill they want your bank account # so they can automatically charge your account every month. Our insurance companies, utilities companies, etc. have our account number. Our bills get paid automatically and directly from the bank to the companies every month. The only bills we get are the credit card bills. I have no problem with these companies having our account #, but I don’t trust the Federal Government with it. Too many bureaucrats. The only Fed agency that has our # is Social Security so we can have direct deposit. So far, we’ve had no problems.

    I also read that those countries with Socialized Medicine have much smaller populations than we do. Switzerland 8 mil, UK 62 mil, Canada 34 mil, U.S.A. 307 million. Just think of the bureaucratic nightmare and the opportunity for fraud. Even those small countries have problems with their care. I shudder to think what would happen here.

  • American Citizen

    Jim, I did not make that up. It was on one of the news programs, I don’t remember which one. I try not to say things that are not true here. Some of what I say is my opinion that I have reached on my own by listening and reading to what others are saying. But when I say I read it or heard it, it’s the truth. Because it’s been a few days since I heard it, I don’t remember on which program I saw it.

    There are people in Britain and Canada who do not like their health care. I’ve had e-mails from some saying we don’t want to go that way. I don’t know why people are so willing to buy into the Democrat program. 86% of Americans are satisfied with their health care. As someone has said, this program is not about health care but about insurance. The Federal Government can offer insurance such as its employees have, but won’t do it. I even heard Pres. Obama say he wants everyone to be on Medicare. I guess that’s the one payer program he wants. But Medicare is not free and is in trouble.

    • Jim

      There are people who do not like it, and there is a vast majority that is fine with it. Just like there is a minority that likes the Healtth Care system here. (Not 86%, another fabrication) Obama NEVER said he wants everybody on health care, another story.

      • American Citizen

        Do you really hear what he says? Do you not understand the implications? Of course he wants everybody on a single payer plan. Wake up!

        • Jim

          Do you not understand the implications of things continuing as they do? It’s a disaster growing in our midst.

  • American Citizen

    I just heard Obama today say we should all just sit down and shut up (or words to that effect.) We should just sit still and let them ram whatever he wants up our seats of wisdom.

    • Jim

      I’m sure he didn’t say that. What a spin!!

      • American Citizen

        Jim, stop the denial. I’m not the only one who heard him say that.

        • Jim

          Exactly what did he say. I don’t doubt you’re spinning something he said that way. Are you inventing between the lines?

          • Dwayne

            He said just that. He told dissenters to “be quiet.” And don’t forget he echoed Nancy Pelosi by uttering her “Astroturf” reference. Yes, the President said that himself one time. Check out a sane and envigorating Tea Party town hall where Rep Jerry Lewis was invited. I guess Barbara Boxer and Joe Baca refused similar invitations. You can find the video at http://www.redlandsteaparty.com

  • Rod

    You know Jim, you look but you do not see! You listen but you do not hear. I think
    it would be a real eye opener if you read what is in Obama,s health care plan. It’s
    not just health care. They touch on gun control and a hole lot of other issues that
    will effect OUR freedom that have nothing to do with Health Care and everything
    to do with taking away your freedom!

    To American citizen. Forget web sites to contact your Senators and Congressman
    CALL THEM ON THE PHONE! You can find their phone numbers in your phone
    book under ” Federal Government ” It dose make a difference. What Palosi and Obama want is for you to set back and do nothing! Then they will RAM this stupid
    and unfair ( so called health plan right down your throat). The next thing is to remember to VOTE in 2010

    • Jim

      I did read the health care plan, or at least maybe 25% of it. What I did do is check the quotes that were cited and found that what the bill actually said and what the right was telling me it said were two completely differnt things. It’s not that I look and don’t see, it’s that I look and I don’tsee things that aren’t there.

  • Rod

    Isaw Palosi on tv yesterday, She said anyone who dose not agree with Obama,s
    health care plan are Nazi,s and have swastika,s in their home. They are saying
    the people who are showing up at these town hall meetings and are saying they
    don’t want Obama’s Health Care plan are Nazi’s. That is how stupid she is. The
    fact is: These lefties are in the process of distroying our country. Obama will FAIL
    as did Hitler, Stalin, Nero and all the other creeps that have tried Obama’s tactics.
    When he dose, He can go back to Kenya (where he was born) and take Palosi and
    his 33 czars and don’t forget to take the criminals from Chicago with him. After all
    he may want to start a revolution over there. They may not be as paticular as we are.

    • Dwayne

      Nancy Pelosi is NOT a representative of the people. She has an agenda and, more than the President, intends to ram it down our throats. Her posturing is much like Marie Antoinette, who lost her head. In America we can still VOTE people out of office.

  • Rod

    Do not forget, Obama is not a citizen of the United States of America and there
    fore is in violation of the Constitution. They also are in Violation of the 10th amendment of the Constitution. Therefore Obama, is in violation of the law.
    It would be a very good idea for you to read the 10th amendment.

    Of coarse if he will just show us his REAL birth certificate and have it verified by
    a non partisan expert and oh by the way, We also demand to see his passports
    starting in 1981 to 2008 when he was traveling to Indoneisia etc. and if he would
    show us his records from Harvard University, we could clear this Citizen thing up,
    Couldn’t we?? Well then why is he hiding them from the American People??? We
    have a right to see these records and all of us “AMERICAN’S” must DEMAND
    to have these records released and made public! CALL YOUR CONGRESSMAN
    AND SENATORS!!

    • Jim

      He did show his real birth certificate. Tell the truth.

      • Rod

        They did not show his REAL Birth Certificate! The one that was shown
        was NOT Certified! Now, like I said, all he has to do is show his
        “CERTIFIED” Birth Certificate, His Collage records and his Pass Ports,
        beginning in 1988 to 2008. Now wouldn’t you suppose he would be MOST
        happy to get this matter over with???? Why don”t you try to get these
        records? After all, We as American citizens have a right to see these
        records. Why did he issue an executive order to lock up these records
        so that no one can see them????

  • American Citizen

    At this point, I don’t care where Obama was born. We just need to make sure he’s a one term president. We need to vote out all those who have voted for Obama’s programs. Check each of your congresspeople’s voting records. There are some good guys up there and we need to keep them. They, at least, have their heads on straight.

  • chris

    WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE PUBLIC’S INTEREST? YOU MEAN THE REPUBLICAN INTEREST. DEMOCRATES VOTED FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA FOR THE HEALTH CARE REFORM. HE RAN ON ALL THE THINGS HE’S TALKING ABOUT: THATS WHY WE VOTED FOR HIM. I DONT KNOW2 WHERE REPORTS ARE COMMING FROM, ABOUT LOSING INTEREST, DEMOCRATES LIKE THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING, THATS WHY YOU DONT HEAR US KICKING ABOUT IT. WE JUST WANT OBAMA TO STICK TO HIS WORD AND FORGET ABOUT REPUBLICANS AND WHAT THEY WANT. BUSH DIDT’T ASK US ABOUT THE CRAZY THINGS HE DID, SO DONT EXPECT OBAMA TO GET THEIR PERMISSION ABOUT ANYTHING. WE ARE IN CHARGE NOW SO GET OVER IT LIKE WE HAD TO DO. REPUKES STOLE TWO ELECTIONS, WE WON FAIR AND SQUARE.

  • Smilee

    factcheck.org just put out a release on the HR3200 health care bill. They had been asked to check out 48 claims about it mostly being circulated through emails but also many other places including some that are found here. They checked the claims against the actual bill as it is written now and this is what they found, 26 claims where found to be totally false, 18 were misleading or half truths and only four where true. The claims being made about a whole lot of misinformation being out there apparently are true and of those that I have personally read I came to the same conclusion they did. The News Hour last night also had a segment and looked at five claims and all were not true. WE are living amongst a lot of lairs and this is too important to not find out the truth for yourselves. You can see the details on all 48 at:

    http://factcheck.org/2009/08/t…..t-hr-3200/

    or you can go on the house site and read it yourself and you will also find this to be true.

  • Rod

    Chris, We will not leave this alone! In the first place, Obama’s election was to say the least a little under the table. Or did you forget what the ACORN people were doing? TSK. TSK! just a little
    bit, shell we say, a little bit on the left side!

    Yes, the ah, er, ah, Dems don’t like compitition! That is why Obama,
    Palosi and his other GOONS want a socialistic Government!

    Do you know what? IT AIN’T GONNA HAPPEN!!!!!!

  • Rod

    American Citizen I see what you are saying! The fact is, Being born
    in Kenya makes him ineligable to be the President of the United States! If he wants us to stop talking about his Birth Place, He
    needs to show the American people all of these records. Oh, but of
    coarse theres this executive order. Do you suppose he would be
    willing to, well, gosh, just let us see these records?

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