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Stupak Defends Decision To Accept Abortion Deal For Final Healthcare Votes

March 26, 2010 by  

Stupak defends decision to accept abortion deal for final healthcare votesPresident Obama made good on his promise to conservative Democrats on Wednesday by signing an executive order reaffirming restrictions on federal funding for abortion services.

In order to acquire the final few votes to push through healthcare legislation in the House, Obama made an 11th-hour deal with Representative Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) and other anti-abortion Democrats to eliminate a loophole in the Senate’s version of the bill, which many members of the House found to be inadequate.

However, Stupak and his colleagues are taking fire from fellow abortion opponents for allowing the president to buy their votes for an executive order that many conservatives believe to be rather ambiguous.

In fact, Stupak has taken heavy criticism from both sides of the aisle. While pro-life supporters say he is allowing more openings for abortion, pro-choice members believe the order may eventually lead to the denial of abortion services for women, Fox News reports.

Stupak defended the decision on Tuesday, comparing the order to other historically significant initiatives, such as Lincoln’s resolution to free the slaves.

“Throughout history, executive orders have been an important means of implementing public policy,” said the Michigan representative. “The most famous executive order was the Emancipation Proclamation signed by President Lincoln in 1863.”
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  • s c

    Ye gods, Stupak. Bart, the cartoon character, makes more sense than you do. Trying to hide behind a ‘conservative democrat’ label(?) is no excuse – and it won’t protect your miserable posterior from voters who see you for the third-rate shill you are.
    It must be rough on the knees, trying to suck-up to someone like Obummer (does Stupak have a knee-pad budget?). Stupak obviously has no conscience, or he wouldn’t be able to sleep at night.
    Stupak – just another pathetic reject in the guise
    of ‘leadership.’ With a friend like Stupak, I’d go looking for someone I could trust (like a petty thief). When you go back to Michigan, schtupper, be sure and enjoy your extended vacation from Washington.

    • Joe H.

      sc,
      I said awhile back that those that ignore the will of the people will pay with their job. Schmuckstack will be one of the first, even in a democrat haven like Michigan!!!!

      • Smilee

        DON’T COUNT IT, BY NOV. THIS WILL BE FORGOTTEN BY MANY AND HAVE NO IMPACT ON THE ELECTION UNLESS PEOPLE WHEN THEY BETTER UNDERSTAND IT MAY LIKE IT VERY MUCH AND VOTE ALL THEM DEMOCRATS BACK IN , WHO KNOWS MAYBE A FEW MORE, THEIR WAY OF SAYING THANK YOU TO OBAMA. EIGHT MONTH IN POLITICS IS A LIFE TIME AND PEOPLE WILL LOOK AT THIS IN A TOTALLY DIFFERENT LIGHT BY THEN.

        • Claire

          Smilee: Where did you get your crystal ball? November 2010 is up for grabs.

        • http://www.breakingnewsjournal.net&www.popham08.com Popham

          Well, Smilee, for whatever it’s worth, I shall predict that you are
          wrong in your assumptions, for the tidal wave of disapproval will
          prevail in November. You underestimate and insult the intelligence and the memory of the average American if you believe that at the
          polls in November, we shall simply forget that health care reform
          was ilegitimally forced through the people’s House (Congress) based on
          back room deals, manipulation and unconstitutional political tactics
          never before seen in America. You are sadly mistaken if you think for
          one second that the American people will soon forget.
          Good luck, America.

          • tedcrawford

            What about the 20, or so, million immigrants obama is working to get registered! Remember they come,mostly, from countries with leftist failed governments. They will bring their leftist ideas with them.

        • Joe H.

          dopie,
          I can guarantee you this WON’T be forgotten by November!!! I CAN GUARANTEE IT!!!

        • Princess

          Where were you when the young Kennedy, who was accused in Fl. of a horrible action to a young lady, which seems he had forgotten, wanted to run for a seat in government? He got like a swarm Ants reminding him of his wrong doing and he had to change his mind. He had to live the case all over again and was really embarrass in the eyes of the people. We Americans are somewhat forgiving but, when it comes to losing freedom and being enslaved to the government, I don’t think we are going to forget. Yes, there will be a bunch of free loaders who will forget for their advantage, but they will pay the price when they will be pushed under the bus by those who blinded them to vote them in!

        • http://ghirardl@hotmail.com Linda

          Yes, Americans have had a short memory and eight months use to be a long time to sustain a thought but I am hopeful that with all the dispictable acts of Congress (the ultimate being passing this massive takeover of our healthcare, ie, liberty) and this administration Americans are waking up and will not have short term memory when it comes to pulling the lever come November. We can only “hope”.

      • Princess

        Joe,
        The make believed pro-lifers were just waiting for the right price for their votes. It’s important to see their true colors, so they can Not lie any more to their voters. They forgot “INTEGRITY” has no price for true believers. It’s really sad they sold their votes for a bag of money with promises, which may be they will not get, while their credibility had been destroyed for eternity, since people will remember their actions even after they are gone!

        • Joe H.

          Princess,
          The title says Stupak defends his decision??? HOW? There is no defence!! He is a backroom dealer and nothing more!!! Even Michigan will rid themselves of him!!!

          • Ellen

            I really think Stupak is worthless and he certainly showed his lack of IQ! Oh yes, the price for buckling down and kissing BO’s feet was it 500,000 worth of obommers promises Stupak sold The American people out for? You better believe we have a REAL BRAIN, we WON’T forget that slimmy deal!!

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      SC, your right!, there is no such thing as a Conservative Democrat__My Grandparents were democrats in the 70′s, but todays Dems make yesterdays dem party, look like romper room!

      • TIME

        AWB, You bring up some very interesting points about the Democratic party and its history here in America.

        I know most are not aware of what happened just after the Civil War in both the south and the north. That being that it was the Democrates that started the KKK, let alone the American Nazi Party in the 1930′s, let alone the American Marxist party in the 1920′s.

        I know from the rewrite one would think for sure it was all Republicans, but the facts are it was not the Rebublicans nor did they “ever” have a hand in such crazy behavior.

        In the North the strongest hate groups of blacks were in fact all within the Democratic party, just like Woody Wislson a Democrat who during his time in office started segregating back up in the US Army and Navy just like it was prior to the CW and allowed this type of behavior to exist in the deep south and north, where it lived and still lives until this very day.

        Southern Democrats hate blacks let alone northern Democrats, yet blacks seem to think that there is some form of love bond with them, hows that work?

        Anyway back to the post CW era, it was the Republicans that fought for the black rights to vote as well to get an education and the Republicans have fought up until the present day to allow such.

        Yet our standard “news media” would have you think it was just the opposite. Again just how strange is that?

        Anyone recall the 1960′s it was the Dem’s that were working on seterilization programs of the black race in America.
        Again how strange is that?

        It was also the Dem’s that condemned black Americans to welfair in the 1960′s hooking them on this way of life.
        Again how strange is that?

        Questions that remain unanswered and truly make one who can see the facts for what they are question why the blacks of America follow such bigots and raciest, let alone want them as thier leaders.

        Then for you that think that the Democrats are in favor of any form of Freedom anylonger, ask yourselfs this question, why is it that Tipper Gore in the late 1980′s wanted to have Rock music, art let alone Rap music banned?
        Thats Al Gores wife, I know she was not alone yes in fact there were about 50 others in her group all Democrats wifes!
        Not a single Republican.

        Hello is there anyone awake out there?

        Just a few questions that your post brings up and I thought should be expanded on just a tad as these questions leave me with out words.

        History has been twisted to the point that Up is Down – Right is wrong, and wrong is right.
        Again Hello; is there anyone awake out there?

        Higher education or any education is to allow you to have an “OPEN MIND and think for yourselfs,”
        {Its NOT to make you repeat what your told by Nazi Marxist Teachers and Professors.}

        • libertytrain

          Time – excellent post -

          • TIME

            Thanks Libertytrain, We really need to force the FACTS out into the open and HOPE that countless millions more people in the US get it.
            There is an ill in our country now that is beyond any possible way to avoid it, as in – we must take real action now not sit on our hands anylonger.
            God helps those that help themselfs, thats why he gave us the ability for advanced reason.

            I am not asking anyone to hate the Democrats as there are many good ones, or to use violence on anyone; that never solves anything.
            I would hope that info I post will be used to aid anyone who gets into a debate with a bone head that can’t see the light of day.
            Many of the bone heads will not get it why; they are just to stupid there is no cure, no pill, no shot for being stupid.

            The facts have been clouded by Marxist who wish to make the Americans conform to a way of life that is not the American way.

            Folks Prayer alone will not do the trick, these Marxist are using Religion as a tool against you, therefor you can not trust Religions to be honest with you anylonger.

            I am not saying that you not have faith. I am saying is your being used by the very core you think you can trust! Learn the difference, if you have TRUE facts you have POWER.

            Get your friends to watch Mr. Glenn Beck he has the play book and will aid you to understand whats really going on far better than I can by posting a few words.

      • http://ghirardl@hotmail.com Linda

        Right on Angel! I’m scared though about those dems who are now jumping over to the republican party. What’s that all about?

    • Warrior

      Just another fine example of a supposed leader not being able to adhere to any principles.

  • JeffH

    “This Executive Order protects the sanctity of life,” Stupak said in a written release after the signing.

    The Federal courts are almost assured of ruling in favor of the language in the law, not in the executive order, pro-lifers say. In addition, Obama, or any other president, could rescind the order at any time.

    Obama never commits to anything without a plan to cover his Marxist agenda. This is his wild card in the biggest poker game in America.

    • s c

      Do you think Obummer is ready to pay the price for a continuous, extended game of CYA (cover your posterior)? I understand the mentality of those who play the game of life like a chessboard. The Russians taught us many lessons in that game (we still don’t appreciate it).
      In Obummer’s case, he sounds like someone who is always trying to cover his devious tracks. In his case, that means he’s trying to balance his public face with his hidden face. It will be interesting to watch him scramble.
      When the price of his dual mask game comes due, I doubt if he will be able to pay it. He’d be lucky if the cost was only in terms of money. I suspect the price escalates as the value of the ‘goal’ increases. It makes me wonder who has the most to lose – Obummer or his handlers.

    • BBFmai

      Found this in the Washington Post…surprisingly. What the writer says is basically that “Executive Order”…isn’t worth the paper it’s written on and will do NOTHING to change the abortion funding:

      http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/editorials/stories/2010/03/25/executive-order-means-nothing-and-stupak-knows-it.html?sid=101

      The executive order promising that no federal funds will be used for abortion is utterly useless, and everybody knows it. First, the president can revoke it as quickly as he signs it.

      Second, an order cannot confer jurisdiction in the courts or establish any grounds for suing anybody in court, according to a former White House counsel. The order is therefore judicially unenforceable.

      Finally, an executive order cannot trump or change a federal statute.

      One can reasonably surmise that Obama, a former constitutional law professor, is well aware of the uselessness of his promise.

      Stupak, too, knew that the executive order was merely political cover for him and his pro-life colleagues. He knew it because several members of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops explained it to him, according to sources. The only way to prevent public funding for abortion was for his amendment to be added to the Senate bill.

      Clearly, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and the president didn’t want that. What they did want was the abortion funding that the Senate bill allowed.

      Thus, the health-care bill passed because of a mutually understood deception — a pretense masquerading as virtue.

      “The most potent weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the
      oppressed.” –Steve Biko

      • Carole

        I hope Stupak has a nice cheap frame to put his copy of the Executive Order in because it’s not worth anything and he knew it when he changed his vote.
        He can look at it every day and remind himself that he sold his soul for a worthless piece of paper and therefore sold his office in DC.
        I have Democratic family in Michigan and they are now working to get him out of office because he didn’t listen to them either.

      • GregS

        Excellent post BBFmai! You have summed all this up very nicely. These talking points need to be repeated like mantras in the months to come, before November, especially in districts where these so-called “pro-life” democrats are running, because we all know that they will try to make us forget. The liberal news media is already doing it.

    • Meteorlady

      The health care bill was passed, and Obama signed it with great fanfare and media coverage. The EO was signed in private, with Obama hating every minute of it, and the media was not present. Hmmmmmmmm, We have a number of EO’s that go unenforced. The best one of all was the one signed by JFK – which basically stripped the Federal Reserve of it’s power to loan money to the US government. It gave the Treasury Department authority to issue silver certificates against silver bullion. We printed $4 billion in US Notes. If we didn’t have enough silver bullion to cover the money, we could not print more. JFK was murdered just four months or so later and his currency notes were immediately taken out of circulation. The $10 and $20 were never circulated and “Federal Reserve Notes” continued as our currency. Now comes LBJ – who did not enforce this order and let it slowly die into the shadows.

      My point here is that EO’s can just die a death without even repealing them.

  • Jana

    I figured he would cave all along. I just don’t know what took him so long. All he has done is show the world he is NOT a man of his word. But, he is a demonRAT so what else is new? All they have shown us is how back room deals can be made so they can “control the people.”

  • Smilee

    YOU ALL HAVE SURE CRANKED UP THE BITCHING AND A WHINING SINCE BARRACK, NANCY AND HARRY SO BRILLIANTLY OUT FOXED YOU, REMEMBER IN JANUARY WHEN BROWN WON HOW YOU WERE SO LOUDLY SCREAMING THAT THIS HEALTH CARE WAS DEAD AND YOU HAD DELIVERED TO OBAMA HIS WATERLOO, YOU ALL NOW LOOK LIKE THE FOOLS WE KNOW YOU ARE.

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      Tsk, Tisk, Smilee, haven’t you better things to do, like go play in the freeway or somethin’?___Since you claim we Conservatives, give the cold shoulder to the needy,and would be happy to leave people lie, dying in the streets, why don’t you go be a good little liberal and go out and spread the wealth, like Obama’s tryin’ to do, since you think it’such a good idea!__by the way, your the only one who looks like a fool, with your liberal name calling. It was actually peaceful here last night, you weren’t here stirring up trouble with your sh*t slinging.__beat, feet outta here!

    • Debbie

      Smilee,

      Don’t you know most people ignore posts that are in all caps? So, what were you saying?

      • Princess

        Debbie,
        Have a hunch he is working for ACORN. They used their tactics to start trouble every where. You saw what happened at the voting booth in PA and the offenders were cleared. No justice done. Sad situation is our tax dollars are given to these problematic liberal group even though Congress voted against it. A liberal judge ruled they were entitled to it!

        • tedcrawford

          It’s not acorn anymore, or won’t be soon, It’s A.H.C.A. now! I believe that stands for affordable houseing corporation of america.I believe Shakesphere sad it best “a rose by any other name”!

    • Amber

      Keep drinking the Kool-Aid Smilee.

    • Meteorlady

      Smilee – when was the last time you freely gave your time to a charity, to the needy or to help make your community a better place to live? Do you regularly contribute to you favorite charities?

      Most of the hated “conservatives” in my community do that regularly and faithfully. That’s the difference between leftist and conservatives. Conservative believe in pitching in and making things good where they live, liberals believe the government should take our money through threats and force to give to others.

      I will take my community any day, even with it’s few crimes here and there, before I would go back to living in a big inner city.

  • TIME

    For your people that live in this persons home area, find someone to replace him, and WORK your butts off to remove him from office right along with anyone who voted for this bill, who may be in your home towns.

    Keep in mind you need someone with a SPINE, as well one who has solid American CORE vlaues.

    Don’t argue with the buffoons on here its a watse of your time and energy. Work on what we as Americans need, don’t beat your head on a wall with these Marxist buffoons.

    Keep on coruse. November is not that far away.

    • Joe H.

      Time,
      I’ve got family all over the lower part of the lower peninsula, the Adrian Tecumseh area and I’m talking my assetts off with them got them all ready to oust him as soon as his term is up!!! He’s as good as voted out as near as I can tell by the other people I’ve talked to. I was born around there in old bixby hospital down town Adrian. Still have a lot of friends there as well!!!

    • GregS

      Right to Life of Michigan PAC, which has been instrumental in getting out the pro-life votes for him in the past, rescinded their endorsement of him in the upcoming November elections. Hopefully, Bart Stupid will lose his job in November!

      • TIME

        Good for all of you thats what we all have to do and lets stay on target and get our jobs done right so we can clean this bloody mess up.

        I am not saying we will have everything back to the good life, it will be 30 years to get things back to any point that will feel good, if not a lot longer. We will all suffer and the pain will not go away. Many of us will in fact loose everything we own.
        The facts are its worth it!

        There is NO price to high for “FREEDOM!”

        • JeffH

          Time, we gotta start sometime. November sounds good to me.

        • momof4

          Amen!!!!

  • Dora

    We MUST vote all the TRAITORS (communist, socialist, Marxists) out of OFFICE. They have had their field day and now it is OUR turn. Nancy Pelosi goes FIRST. She is a nut!

  • http://awmanley@gmail.com andrew manley

    To Stupak’s Constituents, a suggestion for a campaign theme song:

    To the tune of “Try To Remember” from “The Fantastiks”:
    ” We will remember this year in November,
    When your turn came, and you turned Yellow.
    We will remember, YES, we will remember:
    Like Judas and Arnold, how You turned Yellow………..”

    WE KNOW YOU CAN’T BELIEVE A WORD OUT OF THE PRESIDENT’S MOUTH;
    NOW WE HAVE SEEN WHAT STUPAK’S WORD OF HONOR IS WORTH….

    • Jan Bennett

      I love it! That’s what we need…some up-beat encouragement and you filled that need very well. Thanks! (I’ll be humming it all day!) Stupak’s “word of honor”–now that’s an oxymoron!

  • http://backlabornomore.com J.M.

    For Stupak, this wasn’t about pro-life or pro-choice. It was about

    MILLION$ for the various airports in his district. The backroom deal

    was already signed and sealed before he made his “I shall NEVER vote for

    this bill.” speech. Not only can he be bought, He was bought!

    It will be hard to turn the people in his district against him; he

    brought home the bacon, just like Nebraska, Louisiana, etc.

    • Barb

      You are right J.M. and hard telling what else he got under the table. It’s been a long time since I was in Government class but I seem to remember that an Executive order does not override any bill signed into law or any part of a bill signed into law. Soooo , If I’m right then all that was simply just for show and to make the people think it’s legit. I’m thinking I’m remembering right. Which means tax payers are still paying for abortions because the Exec order is not valid. Anybody out there really surprised? I’m not!

  • James Corbin

    Bart Stupak, Probably got another reward of some kind—it will come out.

  • James Corbin

    Bart Stupak, Probably got another reward of some kind—it will come out.

  • Glen Welch

    However, Smilee may be right. Right after the first Gulf War, George Bush was thought to be a shoo-in for reelection. I hope the people can maintain their anger but I’m not as confident as some of you seem to be.

    • Jan Bennett

      Don’t worry, Glen. I was in college during the Viet Nam protests and that doesn’t compare to the anger and outrage felt by the American people over this monstrous bill.

  • American liberal

    Great job Mr.President…… And Happy Birthday Nancy Pelosi…

    • Ellen

      Sorry for your ill being. Hope you improve soon.

  • http://www.DownsizeCa.org JKeyes

    Stupak sold out the Constitution.
    He has no relevance in his weenie decision. “Of WHY I did it:.
    He is a traitor to the cause for the fight to save the unborn,living child.

  • Don

    Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) Made several statements in regards to his stance on the Healthcare bill and his position on Abortion. His firm stance had some of us convinced he was going to be a rock and not budge as long as that language was in the bill.

    He is in the congress of the United States of America, and his word should be his bond. “If a mans word is no good he is no good.” Stupak’s word is no good, need any more be said about the man. If the rest of us know an (Obama) executive order can not change a law passed by congress why doesn’t he. Rest assured Obama knows it. If it could we would be living in a dictatorship and not a Democratic Republic!!!

    How can any government official be so naive, or is he just stupid? It seems this man is not trustworthy if he were his word would mean something. It doesn’t and perhaps he should not be in office if he can’t be trusted.

    • tedcrawford

      I made some money off people here that felt the same as you! I bet them a couple of weeks ago how he would vote. His vote was never in question! The bad part is the darn progressives don’t want to pay off! Who would ever have figured a progressive would prove false to his word?

  • CajunGuy

    It’s so hard to believe that this once great country can go downhill so fast. How did all this happen and can this trend be reversed? Far much too long have we allowed these extremist to get their way with the help of organizations like ACLU and corrupt politicians. Probably the greatest step in this downhill spirial was the outlawing of GOD in public schools and buildings. I am no religious fanatic but I do know that this country was built on christian values. Only with GODS help and actively voting for people with christian values can we take this country back.

    • http://PoulsonTerriers@aol.com Tricia

      I love your comments… We must stop this government and their socialistic ideas. Please fight with us to take them out of office and get our country back. One nation under God… Please vote to insure our free country stays free.

    • tedcrawford

      “All evil requires to succeed is for good men to do nothing”

  • JoanP1

    Smilee may very well be right! Maybe this will all be forgotten by
    November……….but only because the miserable leftist media is doing
    their best to make it look like all of the retaliation tactics are the
    work of Republicans and Conservatives. They will not admit that it is
    the American people that are up in arms against the Socialist Obama!

    • GregS

      Joan, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Obama administration and/or its lefty supporters placed shills in various places to commit those acts of violence, after passing the bill, just to make it look like opponents of the bill did it.

  • Katie Drew

    OF THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE I can remember when that was true. Or was it “lip service” even then? Jesus come soon!

  • Virgil, NC

    I predict the same crowd will go back to Congress in November, But . . ., I hope I am dead wrong! It seems that most people think “their” congressman is ok. It is the other guy’s congressman that is the problem.
    I think a grassroots movement to force term limits on congress, just like the presidency, is surely in order. God deliver us from lifetime appointments (Supreme Court) and career politicians.

    • Joe H.

      Virgil,
      I personally think you are totaly wrong!! The people WILL remember because we here will remind them!!! The different groups will, also!!!

    • tedcrawford

      If you are correct,may the fates prevent,we can expect obama to be reelected in 2012! If that happens, just the opposite will happen! Should this miscarriage take place, expect a vigorious, consentrated assult on the 22nd amendment! Beginning in 2013. It will make this effort to pass healthcare look small by comparison!

    • Meteorlady

      You are right about a few – Pelosi is from San Francisco and her district is 80% democrat so guess who’s going to be re-elected? Unless the people of that district are so embarrassed by their representative and her greed and self-serving ways, I think she will be back.

      • Joe H.

        I would love to see her GONE!!!!

        • Jeanne

          I live in the SF Bayarea and I would love to see her go too! I can’t stand her!!!!

          • JeffH

            I live in Fresno and don’t have a vote in SF, but you can bet I’m doing what I can to get rid of that idiot! I send her emails about once a week demanding that she resign.

  • Larry

    Any comparison of King BO to President Lincoln would be fantasy. Abraham Lincoln was not a pathological LIAR !!! Bart is trying to CYA for his sellout of his perceived morality. Going home in November, Bart? Trying to find a real job?

    • Ellen

      I think it is absolutely deplorable to even put it in writing or words, President Lincoln and king BO in comparasent. Isn’t that illegal?

  • Larry

    Virgil, Mine is NOT OK! He is DEAD WRONG and hides behind the cloth. EC from DC will be EC from KC once again…but not soon enough!

  • http://none Linda Toney

    I was always taught to break something down to the ridculious. Think about this. 30 million uninsured is 8 percent of the population. Take out
    16 million from the 30 million for illegale aliens, and that’s 2 percent of the population. So, which everyway you want to look at this, we now have either 8 percent or 2 percent controling over 92 percent of the population. Also, those 30 million non insured persons are probably not even paying taxes, but yet have more say in your life than you do. NOW DON’T GET MAD, GET EVEN ! let’s vote these “canserous” cells out come
    November. We must use their tactics against them to level the playing field!! Looking forward to keeping up the good fight!!!!

    • Meteorlady

      If the government had just given us a tax break for what this will costs us, we could afford to have great health care.

  • eddie47d

    S.C.:Your the pathetic reject. Stupak was never against the healthcare bill and he has always been against abortion. He waited until the bill reflected his views and for the majority of those in HIS district. He stood for those convictions and should be respected for that. Some of you would attack him or any democrate if your blue house turned orange. That’s just the way you are.

  • http://Verizon.net Bud Grounds

    Smilee: There will be a landslide in November, you can count on it and you and your kind will likely not have anyone to push the Socialist agenda. If you don’t know what Socialism is, read up on it and compare it to what is happening now under this administration and Congress.

    I find it amazing that after all the outright lies and underhanded deals that were made to get the Health care Bill approved, you still side with the Democrats. I assume you watch TV and read the newspapers so it would be difficult not to be aware of their actions. I will give you 6 months to recognize how this is going to cost you much more than you are paying now in Health care Premiums and taxes. Don’t you just love the fact that many citizens have enough trouble making a living. Now, they must have insurance or pay a penalty, employers the same, Medicaid and Medicare patients get the shaft with less care. You say, this won’t happen? Do the math 1/2 billion in cuts in Medicare and they have already said there will less options and less referrals to reduce costs. So, the young and the old are obligated to accept their situation whether they like it or not. This seems to be the new mantra of the Democratic Party; They know what is good for you. It doesn’t matter what you think but we will be smiling in November and they will be saying we failed to understand the anger of the people which will be another lie because I know they can read and see the activity going on around the Capitol.

  • Kevin

    My Congressman Mike Thompson said this Healthcare Bill was a done deal last August–it was just a case of getting Americans behind it. There were about 350 people at the town hall meeting Thompson spoke at, 200 that were very angry. That was the last Town Hall meeting Thompson will face the public at. He now has phone call Town Hall meetings, where he picks and chooses what he wants to answer. I wonder how many other Cowardly Congressmen there are. The problem is that Thompson has the backing of the vineyard owners, who plaster his signs all around the Napa Valley–and most voters are like cattle that only know to vote according to how the media herds them.

    • Meteorlady

      The fact that congress was to take a recess and go home is not lost on me. Nancy didn’t want that to happen until after the vote. She did not want our elected representatives to be bombarded with questions, comments and ideas from their constituents.

  • Kevin

    “Throughout history, executive orders have been an important means of implementing public policy,” said the Michigan representative. “The most famous executive order was the Emancipation Proclamation signed by President Lincoln in 1863.””

    Only a half-wit with a degree in stupidity would compare the Healthcare Bill with the Emancipation Proclamation–Lincoln’s executive order was for the purpose of turning the tide of war to the North’s favor, and only freed the southern slaves, not the northern slaves.

  • http://www.colony14.net Colony14Author

    The fix was in from the beginning. The Stupak hold-out was a show to distract the voters and make them believe the controversy was about abortion, not socialism and a loss of liberty. Obama knew all along he would sign a meaningless executive order, and so did Stupak. It was all theatrics.

    And it worked. The lefties turned the insurance industry into a public utility, and took over the school loan industry while no one was looking. (That loan takeover will cause the loss of about 35,000 jobs, but Obama will use the interest paid by the students to fund health acre for illegal immigrants. How generous of him.)

  • http://PoulsonTerriers@aol.com Tricia

    Bart Stupak is just another perfect example of the dishonest politicians in Washington… I real man CANNOT be bought off. He knew all along he was going to vote for this bill. He just wanted to grandstand and get a special deal for his state..We must not forget in the next mid-term elections that the democrats in Congress totally ignored the American people and our wishes for this terrible to be killed. We all want health care reform but all the things in this bill are dishonest and taking away rights to Americans. The government wants to run our lives in every aspect. NEVER in the history of America have these deceitful, dishonest, methods have been used to pass a bill..Please people WAKE UP before it’s too late…Obama, Reid,Pelosi, and the other democrats need to go… All these people have no regard for us and have been in office way too long. They are way out of touch with the real world. There is NO FREE LUNCH FOLKS. Since when does the government do anything in our behalf? Like they really care about our healthcare.

  • http://www.personalliberty.com Rhonda Miller

    Stupak is just like Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the WH Idiots. He tells lies, lies, and more lies. Stupak knew all along that he was going to vote for this government takeover. He got his $750,Million for his state. I know now that there are no Blue Dog Democrats and none of them do not care whether there is a Pro-Life Clouse in the bill or not. By the way there isn’t a Pro-life provision in the government takeover bill. The American people are outraged at Stupak for what he did to the American people and he is nothing but a lying hypocrite.

  • http://google DTHOMPSON

    SMILEY, THIS WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN TILL THE FINAL DAYS OF THIS NATION’S HISTORY, MUCH LESS BY NOV. WE WILL NEVER FORGET!!! NEVER!!! CLAIRE, WHAT DO YOU MEAN UP FOR GRABS!!! THE DEMS VOTED FOR A BILL THEY DID NOT READ AND WAS DONE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND SINISTER ARM-TWISTING THUGS PELOSI AND HER MINIONS. THE ONLY THING UP FOR GRABS IN NOV. IS WHICH REP. WILL BE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE. IM SURE IT WILL BE BOEHNER, I LIKE HIM HOWEVER , CANTOR OF VIR. IS VERY SMART, STERN, AND HAS HELPED KEEP REPUBS TOGETHER AGAINST PELOSI AND HER THUGS. NOV. WILL BE A POLITICAL BLOODBATH FOR DEMS IN HOUSE AND CONGRESS. THIS NOV. WILL BE A REPUBLICAN LANDSLIDE VICTORY OF EPIC PORPORTIONS!!!!!!!! HUSSEIN OBAMA IS A ONE-TERM PRES. AND WHEN HE AND HIS MARXIST CLOWNS ARE VOTED OUT IN 2012 U.S. AND ISREAL CAN ONCE AGAIN BE CLOSE ALLIES AND WE CAN EMBRACE THE ONLY DEMOCRACY IN THE MIDDLE EAST ONCE AGAIN. NEVER FORGET!!!!!!!! THIS WAS DONE AGAINST THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE AS EVERY MAJOR POLL SHOWED PEOPLE WERE AGAINST HUSSEIN OBAMA CARE. WHERE AND WHY WAS THIS DEBATE NOT ON C-SPAN!!!! THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL NEVER FORGET THIS FIASCO, IT WILL BE IN OUR HISTORY BOOKS EVEN IF OUR GREAT NATION SOMEHOW SURVIVES ANOTHER 200-PLUS YEARS. REPEAL WILL BE THE THEME THAT LEADS THIS VICTORY IN NOV. CONSERVATIVE TALK RADIO, TEA PARTY RALLIES, TOWN-HALL MEETING, PROTESTS, FOX NEWS, REPUBLICAN POLITICIANS AND THE LEVEL-HEADED, COMMON-SENSE AMERICAN PEOPLE(AND WE ARE STILL OUT HERE BY THE WAY) ARE NOT GONNA LET ANYBODY FORGET THIS UN-CONSTITUTIONAL CRIME BY HUSSEIN OBAMA, PEOLSI, REID AND THIER MINIONS IN THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA. JUST WATCH, MARK MY WORDS, WE WILL NOT FORGET AND WE WILL CHALLENGE THIS ALL THE WAY TO THE SUPREME COURT!!!

  • http://google DTHOMPSON

    GREAT JOB BY THE WAY BUD GROUNDS!!!! YOUR COMMENTS POSTED HERE WERE RIGHT ON THE MONEY. I AGREE WITH YOU 100%. WAIT TILL UN-EMPLOYMENT GOES TO AT LEAST 20% WHEN SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS CANT AFFORD THESE OUTRAGIOUS PREMIUMS AND HAVE TO LAY OFF WORKERS OR CLOSE OR SELL THIER BUSINESSES ALTOGETHER. BY THE WAY YOU LIBERAL THUGS, WAIT TILL ONE OF THE NEW 1,600 NEW I.R.S. AGENTS HUSSEIN OBAMA’S ADMINISTRATION SENDS TO YOUR HOME OR BUSINESS TO ENFORCE THIS NEW HUSSEIN OBAMA CARE FIASCO COMES AND HARASSES YOU. IM SURE YOU WILL BE GLAD TO SEE THEM WHILE THE REST OF US AMERICANS WILL WONT TO PUKE WHEN THEY SHOW UP, AND BELIEVE ME, THEY ARE COMING!!!! BY THE WAY, BART STUPAC WAS NEVER, NEVER GONNA VOTE AGAINST THIS BILL. HE WAS ONLY HOLDING OUT FOR A SPECIAL DEAL LIKE NEB, LOU., MASS., KUCHINICH OF OHIO (TRIP ON AIR FORCE ONE) AND WHO KNOWS WHAT ELSE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS WITH THESE THUGS). STUPAC IS A DIS-HONEST TRAITOR WHO WAS LYING ALL ALONG AND WAS HAND-IN-HAND WITH HUSSEIN OBAMA AND HIS CRIMINAL ADM. THIS ENTIRE CRIMINAL, UN-CONSTITUTIONAL PROCESS FROM THE START. IS IT NOV. 2ND YET? I CANT WAIT TO WATCH THESE ARROGANT, LIBERAL, DEMOCRATRIC THUGS GET THROWN OUT OF OFFICE AND POWER ON THAT GREAT DAY IN AMERICA’S FUTURE. BY THE WAY, WE MUST REMEMBER FOR THE SAKE OF OUR KIDS AND GRANDKIDS.!!!!!! GOD BLESS AMERICA!

  • http://google DTHOMPSON

    SMILEY, I SURE HOPE YOU OWN A BIG BUSINESS AND ARE IN NEED OF WORKERS AND EMPLOYEES. BECAUSE COME NOV. 3RD THESE ARROGANT, LIBERAL THUG DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS ARE SURE AS HELL GONNA NEED A JOB. MAYBE YOU CAN HIRE THEM YOU MIS-GUIDED, ILL-INFORMED, IGNORANT CLOWN!!!!

  • eddie47d

    So DThompson now that you have sharpened your bayonet and are ready to storm the Bastille how many “criminals” do you plan to annialate. Maybe that’s what’s wrong with your business an anger issue! Where’s your solutions to a fair vote? Sounds like you’re pushing for anarchy just like you are accusing Preident Obama of doing.

    • tedcrawford

      What obama is pushing is the antithesis of anarchy! You don’t know a thing about political ideology! Man that’s akin to calling the pope a jew!

  • Meteorlady

    “Stupak defended the decision on Tuesday, comparing the order to other historically significant initiatives, such as Lincoln’s resolution to free the slaves.”

    Stupak also failed to mention the pork he is getting for his vote. He an other’s that changed their vote changed it because they god something for that vote.

  • http://gmail Smal Bus. Owner

    After the Oassine idoit got his bill passed. I fired all of my 7 employees I had employed, and downsized where I and my wife will operate the shop. All employees were told last year, that if it was passed, I couldn’t pay for the increases coming at the busines sector. 4 employees were Oassine supporters and wouldn’t read or think about consequenses of their votes. I will help any of them start any type of self employment businesses if they want but most are too afraid to try. 5 are college degreed Business Majors, all my employees were very good workers, but only the 2, that have worked even in high school, will be the ones to succeed when and if they give self employment a try. Of course they were my supervisors of the crews. The other 5 are hoping to get government jobs or another business will start to hire more people. I will laugh when Cat and John Deere start laying off their union employees due to increased costs being imposed on the companies. Since equipment isn’t being sold,due to the ecomomy being in the tank. With greater job losses, the government gets less taxes, higher debt, the more job firings. Or course the DLS “democrat liberal socialists” can never understand, tax some one or business=less earning=less taxes for social programs, which dls and unions love. As the saying goes, you haven’t seen nothing yet, when a year is up, this country is broke and unemployment is 25%, and the brainless dems wonder what went wrong!!!! I see Shewhore Hillary is blaming the USA for guns in Mexico, which is causing some much killings to happen down there. Watch, she loved harsh gun control plans, along with all dems, the Ill. gun control will show up. Or as am lib claims he owns guns, but he is like most dems, claim one thing and they will vote as their leaders tell them too. Stupak come to mind? Dems and lib are just all postitutes with clean clothes, are eleitists, and don’t pay their taxes.

    • chuck b

      small bus owner

      are you sure about the clean clothes?

  • Barb

    To BBFmai, I missed your post while I skimmed through this morning, so I posted my suspicions and then went back and reread the posts again. Thank you for a great post and confirmation on what I believed I remembered after 45 years! Stupack and all the congressmen knew this before they voted, they just were hoping that we, the people didn’t, these dems really think we are stupid! Well we aren’t and for eddie and Smilee as you can see we have great memories too!!!! So don’t worry about November or 2012 there is NO WAY we are going to forget! In case you are wondering, I’m referring to BBFmai’s post on Mar.26 on why an Exec order is not valid on a bill signed into law. Thanks again BBFmai.

  • chuck b

    barb

    isn’t it strange if the executive order has no effect on the abortion bill, how come there wasn’t any opposition to it. i’ve heard nothing from any of the repubs. i have not a clue if what bbfmal says is correct. it would be interesting for some info on this, it sounds good and certainly something the obanger would try to pull off.

  • http://Verizon.net Bud Grounds

    Chuck: Stupak was advised well before the vote not only by the 11 Democrats who stood with him but also by members of the Republican Party that an executive order was worthless and could be overridden by Congress. So, you can only come to the conclusion the man is a complete idiot or this is what he intended to do all along.

    He may think the deal he got will win favor with the voters. I don’t believe it will. He would be a good candidate for the Survivor show after he is sent home though and would probably win.

    • TIME

      Bub,
      What he did is called {his 15 minutes of fame.} Nothing more, nothing less. He is a 100% POSER.

      His value to the American people is no differant than a box of road apples and we need a box of road apples now like we need a kick in the teeth from a jackass.

  • keith

    forget???yeah right!EVERY where i go here in and around magnolia arkansas i run into black and white alike who are seething mad,just today a BLACK guy came up to me and called obama a sack of sh*t and a lazy bum and he started the conversation.needless to say that lifted me out of the funk i was in.i wake up thinking about obamas crap every day and on EVERY JOB i go to i hear the same thing from everybody,obama sucks!in supermarkets,gas stations,everywhere,when the blacks recognize this marxist scumbum for what he is,hah i KNOW his days are numbered!the democrats and EVERY scuzz that supported him are GONE GONE GONE GONE!!!!forget???bullhocky,this will be remembered like pearl harbor or 9-11,you democrats are in for a very rude awakening come election time,makes me giggle with glee!and when comrad obomass gets ousted,it’s my fervent hope he gets put on trial for sedition and treason and gets so humiliated no one will have ANYTHING to do with him,except spit on him.americans are enraged and you can bet this WILL NOT EVER be forgotten ANY TIME SOON!!!
    you democrats,librals and tree huggers enjoy the little time you have left cause the american people are enraged and the voting polls will reflect it!!!lord i can’t wait!!!!!

    • TIME

      Keith, I still have not spoken to a single person that admits to voting for BarryO. Last week I saw a guy get out of a car with a BarryO sticker.
      I ask him why he voted for BarryO answer; he bought the car used and it had the sticker on it!

      The only ones who seem to act as if they voted for BarryO are younger kids still in school, yet even they now seem to have disconnected with the rhetoric.
      Then again with little to no real life experience one can see why they may have been taken in by Slick BarryO’s spin cycle.

      Just think of it like this;
      Hope, they don’t have jobs so Hope sounds really good!
      Change, They don’t have jobs so Change sounds good too!

  • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

    Hey; Hitler of Germany and both Lenin and Stalin from the USSR, and also “Mao” Tse Tung of China supported Karl Marx(A Jew and best friend of Adam Weishauph, who founded both the Illuminati and the “New World Order” system of government needed to give Lucifer back his throne his and Anti-Messiah-ship! How many Americans know that “Mao,” like Obama, graduated from Harvard? I even wonder if “Mao” didn’t learn Marxism/anti-messiah-ism at Harvard??? This is American History folks, but probably NO LONGER TAUGHT in our Progressive(Marxist) school system!

  • http://aol.com John Pickett

    I contacted all of Michigan’s congressional so called leaders but, before I did I wrote there names down on a sheet of paper and sill have it all but one talked and listened to me. Want to know who hung up the phone, Bart Stupak!! I also wrote out beside these leaders re-elect or remove. That’s one gone and it is because of the Tea Party movement. I put the rest on notice. Oh by the way I contacted Repubs, and Dems alike!!!!

  • Victoria Coots

    The sheer audacity of Rep. Stupak is outrageous. He knew all along that Obama’s executive order was meaningless. Mr. Stupak has no convictions with regard to life, or for that matter regarding honesty/integrity, and certainly an obvious disdain for our Constitutional Republic.

  • FulghumInk

    Well, Judas Iscariot took 30 pieces of silver to cooperate in another killing. ‘Judas’ Stupak will-by this benefit-add to the millions of unborn and born alive babies to be murdered. His bloody hands will answer for this abomination. If not here, hereafter. Neither he or anyone else who supports this bloodletting will escape final judgment over this.

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