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Struggle for gun rights intensifies

July 9, 2009 by  

Struggle for gun rights intensifies As the Obama administration’s efforts to limit access to guns continue to pit different interest groups against each other, a pastor has urged members of his congregation to bring their guns to church.

Ken Pagano, the pastor of the New Bethel Church in Louisville, Kentucky, recently urged his flock to wear or carry their firearms into the sanctuary to "celebrate our rights as Americans," according to the New York Times.

"God and guns were part of the foundation of this country," he says, quoted by the newspaper.

"I don’t see any contradiction in this. Not every Christian denomination is pacifist," he stresses.

Meanwhile, in a sign that the ideological conflict between supporters and opponents of gun rights is far from abating, state legislatures across the country have rejected bills that would make it obligatory for colleges and universities to allow students to carry loaded, hidden handguns on campuses.

According to the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, by the end of the current legislative session, a total of 22 states rejected 34 bills to that effect.

Moreover, as Andy Pelosi, president of GunFreeKids.org and head of The Campaign to Keep Guns off Campus, points out, "College students are joining the fight for a safer America and as history demonstrates, the important social movements in our country have always been fueled by young people."

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  • buddy w hollifield

    thats ok this is america the land of the free there is still more good people that bad . justice is stronger that men. buddy

  • Brian Rawls

    You have to be flat out stupid to think taking guns from law abiding people will make the public safer. Im sick of polititions trying to decide whats best for me. I have lived free all my life. I will not live any other way! If this means having to die for freedom oh well. At least I would not have to explain to my family why I was too chicken s* to do anything about it.

    • Brian Rawls

      Imagine just what kind of parents these political figures have. They have to be regreting raising such shit. I wonder if any of their grandparents faught in any wars.If they did it would be for nothing. These people are just freedom hating cowards.

    • Steve Stuart

      When honest, law abiding citizens are denied gun rights, only felons will have them.

    • http://netscape Lloyd R. Bailey

      You have to be flat out stupid to think taking guns from law abiding people will make the public safer.

      You got that right,
      Guns are not taken from citizens to protect the citizens, but to protect those that,would attempt to steal the heritage of Freedom Loving men of Liberty.

      If you want to protect the citizens, make sure that folks with criminal intent have not bought into your government, many we have in government,are known tax cheats, paying when caught and it was to their advantage, giving them opportunity to continue steal from the public dole.

      Some have behavioural problems, that in days past Supreme court Justice’s would have had them lock up in prisons, very least mental institution for violating the civil and federal laws of the United States.

      Sorry fellow American Patriot, that I do not have the exact statistics, may find them later and post.

      Many of America’s pharmaceutical corporations, and medical doctors and medical institution’s, are responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths in a year, more than any gun has found time are opportunity, to harm the American public (not all but many medical orgs and pharmaceutical, and doctors are guilty of negligence,many do all and the best they can and are very necessary part of our society)

      We have many harmed, tens of thousands because of poor engineering by some of the automotive industry,lot’s more than any gun has killed.

      We have food industries because of poor quality control conditions in their plants, that have relaeased contaminated food that has sickened and killed many.

      Government or political appointee’s allow business to do business with communist countrys, that harm many of America’s children, with lead manufactured toy’s and other items, they are allowed to do business in America even though they have poisoned even our pet animals with products produced for American corporations for a larger profit by using and exploiting cheap labor in other Nations.

      Will not go on in this pattern of thought, but would like to point out, that there are statistics available, on deaths caused by bicycles,boats, planes, roller skates, air planes, the deaths for exceed, the deaths in any country, by the gun,

      Sure you see and understand what I am saying and pointing out, disarming the American people of a Constitutional, right provided clearly in the Constitution.

      The revisionist know that the American people are waking up to the scams and schemes, those in power know are catching up with them quick, The American people are not to
      be intimidated by those allowed to do business in America., nor be fearful of those who hold government office’s under the authority of we the people, appointed to government by those who inherited this Nation and it’s Constitution.Which with little education can read and see this is a Constitution established, for Eternity as for as the world system goes.

      You have the food for thought, some of you better educated sons of Freedom and Liberty, take it and go.

      Golly moses, don’t you dumb m ass know these folk are just trying to help you. he haw!

      When politicals learn to fear the, the government,not the other way around the peoples government, fear the political hirlings in office, then this greatest of all Nations, will know
      that is a nation that has been given great honor, because
      they understand that they are a chosen people and Nation
      to be guardians of Freedom and Liberty,for all mankind
      not just for the few who consider themselves to be chosen elites, not just the money rich, not just the politicos, but for every creature, created by the Freedom and Liberty designing and Loving Creator.
      Huh Duh
      Shalam Shalom
      Eheyeh Asher Eheyeh

      Read the Book of Revelation, you will discover God is no pacifist.

      • David

        The figure on medical deaths in 07′ was 98,000. Yes that is almost one hundred thousand people dead due just to hospital screw ups. That was just 07′. They can have my weapons one bullet at a time. Or 3, or full clips at a shot. up to them

    • Armed not Dangerous

      I think we’re now approaching a time when the question we ask ourselves must change from “What are we willing to die for?” to “What are we willing to kill for?” The greatest risk to our freedom at this time is ironically, a “peaceful” method of creating laws, increasing taxes, increasing welfare spending, etc. All of which are done out of site and therefore, sadly, out of mind and each limits our freedom (which isn’t “freedom” at all). The God fearing lovers of Freedom in this country have to prepare and organize en masse to be proactive agents of change rather than reactive victims who wait for knocks on our doors to take us away one by one. Time to dust off the Declaration of Independance and Constitution and if need be, wrestle the power away from the current crop of elitists that are taking OUR country down a path that has always failed.

      • http://netscape Lloyd R. Bailey

        Your right on track and timing is ticking,it failed the American government (the American people) but not the corporate political orgs, that are wealthy with fiat paper money, and drunk on their own ignorance.

        The Living Word of God says,Thinking themselves to be wise they became FOOLS. Amen and Amen.

        About the only ammunition you can buy here is BB’ and
        paint balls.

        America has always been thought to be a bunch of renegade enlishmen by europe, if our founding Fathers had tested their Faith to the limits, and one they would have walked the thirteen steps, to the gallows reserved for, those who would dare raise their hand against the crown.

        Looks like Americans are being put in the same boat, if you loose you hang, you and your fellow Patriots. If you win your country and you and yours will remain Free men of Liberty, not the freedom and Liberty of tyrants, but the decreed will of The Benevolent Creator, who declared You Shall Know The Truth, and The Truth Shall Make You Free.

        It is written, I have come to reveal The Truth that will make you free, for grace and Truth came, by Jesus the incarnate Word of God.

        For no weapon formed against the children of God will prosper.Why because his Word is Truth,and it is impossible for Truth to fail,God and his Word are one, Truth is a Living Eternal Being, when by Faith you are moved to action, the force behind your course of action is none other than, The source of all Power.
        He say’s be of good courage, for I have overcome the world, and it’s childish powers, when I was a child I thought as a child, when I became a man, I thought as a man, and I became a new creation in Christ.

        The Holy one that has been at rest, has been awaken by the, blasphemers, who boastfully say there is no God.

        Take notice of the current events, Yeshua is on the move and is calling his army to march, into the evil turmoil created by the anti christ people, who would again try to chain the sons and daughters of God.

        Put on the whole armor of God,clothed in Gods garments he personally will deal with the infidels,who scream in his face,there is no God.

        The Meek shall inherit the earth, do a word study on the meaning of meek, Jesus was considered to be Meek, he stood alone against tyranical governments, and secular religious orgs.they have perished from the land of the living, he is better known and his Spirit is alive and well on planet earth.

        Have a great day, Brother Christian Patriot, and all the other children, Brother’s and Sister’s who share the invisible Banner of God and his Holy Truth.

        The world see’s nor comprehends him, but we know him and walk and talk with him daily.

        Sahlam Shalom
        Huh Duh

        Eheyeh Asher Eheyeh

        By your Words, you are Justified, are condemned.
        For Life and Death are in the Power of tongue.

        Speak Life so that you may Live.

  • http://jelco9584@netzero.net Jack Lang

    A quote from the writings of George Washington, ” A free people should be armed.” Why do you think Washington said that? Because he knew that the government is capable of enslaving the people. One of the things Hitler did when he took over Germany was to disarm the German people. After that they were not able to overthrow his regime. Keep your guns. The government should be afraid of you not the other way around.

    • Tim FL

      Well said Jack Lang!!
      I carry a firearm everywhere I go. Except of course in “gun free zones” A.K.A. “victim rich zones” such as post offices,airports, sporting events, libraries, schools, etc. These are places that the government doesn’t allow a firearm for self-defense in the name of safety. The irony never ends! Has anyone out there noticed that the most popular places for shootings lately have been schools? With no opposition any criminal bent on mass murder can walk in and have lots of moving targets to choose from. Still feel safe in these places??

      • June

        Isn’t it normally a deranged Student who kills fellow Students?

        • Tim FL

          Yes, I think that counts as someone bent on mass murder…

    • http://thefirstdayofwhatsleftorright.blogspot.com Larry Isle

      Great Reply Jack, this whole damn mess we are heading into just makes me sick to my stomach.. I never thought I would ever experience a crisis as such in my lifetime.. BHO & the radical Left have got to be delt with as traitors to our Country. I pray for brighter days ahead.
      Larry

    • FarRightWinger

      My God, you are full of unhistorical facts and stupidity. Hitler did NOT disarm His people, in fact He gave back the rights to own any weapons under the March 12. 1938. WEAPONSLAW (Waffengesetz). You should get more information before you spit your dumb comments all over.
      The sad fact is that your all-time communist buddies (SovietUnion) disarmed the population and – YOU. Remember in May 1945, the so-called “allies” made it a overnight a law to surrender all weapons (including 7″ longer knives) to the occupational forces. In occupied Europe the US Army and their all-time love-lieblings the Soviets disarmed the German population – NOT Hitler. YOU did, with your communist support for world-wide bolshevism.
      Hitler was the Greatest Man in history, not one single president in history can ever beat His messiatic appearance. You are just jealous that the tiny German nation produced a superman, a 2nd Jesus Christ.
      Looks like a bunch of jewish sissies are here with the minimum knowledge of history.
      Hitler was born, Hitler lives, Hitler will live!

      • Andy

        Here is information on the Law you referred to and I would suggest you read it and see what was in it.

        I’m not a Jew I’m a German and can still see the truth!!!

        “Gun Control: Gateway to Tyranny,” published by JPFO.
        The Nazi law built on previous gun-control laws passed during
        the Weimar period. The 1938 law tightened up previous laws and
        (of course) made sure Jews couldn’t have weapons or have anything
        to do with them. It was passed to protect the Nazi regime, which
        had been elected with a plurality (i.e., a minority) and faced
        widespread opposition within the populace. It required a license
        to own almost all kinds of weapons, except for certain government
        officials and Nazi Party functionaries and members.
        The 1968 Gun Control Act also exempts government entities from
        the controls that apply to law-abiding citizens. It also uses
        federal control of interstate commerce to convert what the U.S.
        Constitution calls a “right” into a government-granted privilege-
        -even as the Nazis did.

        • FarRightWinger

          the 1938 Waffengesetzblatt clearly states that jews were NOT banned to own or possess guns, but they were banned to MANUFACTURE or be in the GUN DEALER business. The National Socialists clearly saw that the communist dictatorships first move was to ban guns and ammos. I can assure you in the Eastern- and Central European communist satellite countries having ONE AMMO carried the “attempt to overthrow the peoples socialist republik” and carried long esntences in one of their gulags.
          The judeo-bolshevik conspiracy to round up all guns, ammos and therefore right-to-own guns is still alive. Just look at the Shumer-Feinstein-Boxer trio vicious attacks on guns AND THEN our freedoms.

      • Ed

        Far Right-Winger, You are more A-Hole than a Historian, get over yourself!

        • FarRightWinger

          Yes, that’s true, I am an ahole. In fact everybody is an ahole, or, at least have ONE a**hole. Without that anus hole we would be forced to use our mouith to puke waste off… Like you do bro. Keep Nature’s was and open your mouth no in waste. Only for feeding your body. Your mind? That’s a different thing.

          For others: Personal attacks are my favored one. It shows the person’s ZERO, NADA knowledge about real history. However, I feel it’s wasting time for me to kick-back-the-ball. None of my postings, or statements were historically proven WRONG. That means the attacks only personnal attacks, therefore they must be ignored.

      • Sylvia

        FarrRightWinger–
        If you love Hitler so much then keep on winging it right on out of here. Thank God the sleeze Shot himself too afraid of the world, that his sick mind could only be seen as a coward. NOT a Hero. He was a MURDERER.

        • FarRightWinger

          Sylvia, is this your big, fat American: “innocent until proven guilty”? How do u know He killed anyone? He was not even close to any of your “democratically elected” (siccc!) prezidents whos ent young Americans to die for nothing, either in WW1 or WW2, or to Vietnam, Korea and Ireaq and who knows how many more… He didn’t want the war, He wanted peace what your Rosenfeld and that gnome Churchill were so eager to launch on the European nations…
          I am very delighted to meet a person who saw Hitler kill anyone. Or you just another brainwashed, jew-tube-educated hamburger-coke-cultist.
          He was a “murderer”. He was the Second Jesus Christ, loved by MILLIONS OF PEOPLE, who was sent by God. And bc Jesus is so hatred by the jews, He was too. Period.

      • steelwheels

        Hitler was a f*ckin IDIOT.He had it but was a DUMB F*ck piece of SH*T

      • Marilii

        TO: FAR RIGHT WINGER:
        Amazing. Astounding. So you…and you are someone who wasn’t alive during Hitler’s time at all….actually dispute the eye-witness accounts of even the non-jewish people who lived through that horible time. They said (in countless documents) that they HAD THEIR GUNS TAKEN AWAY BY HITLER’S OWN DECREE…..Yet YOU now say Hitler didn’t do it at all. It was the Allies who did it.

        THINK FOR A MOMENT before you open your mouth and end up inserting your other foot into it. The ALLIES didn’t enter Germany until AFTER the war was OVER, NOT BEFORE. “Before” it was Hitler’s playground. “After” was the rest of the world’s humanitarian victory.

        If Hitler was a messianic figure, then I would hate to see what the evil flip side of him would have been. The “messianic” part of him was cruel enough.

        Oh….a question. Do you skinheads shave your heads because you guys don’t fit Hitler’s ideal? Some of you may have blue eyes, but I’ll bet lots of you have brown hair and shave it off so no one will know that EVEN YOU don’t fit Hitler’s ideal at all.

        …..You would have been gassed for sure…..by Hitler’s decrees.

    • FarRightWinger

      For additional information: If anyone able to see documentaries, nobody can miss the point that in the massive rallies Hitler had before, during His years, He spoke, marched and appeared among thousands and thousands of armed military and non-military men. He did NOT fear His people, because His people loved Him. He was not a dictator, but a Christian, spiritual man, who knew what made the words corrupted, insane and deviant; the very same culprits, who are behind all wars, enforced homosexual degeneration, abortion and filth. Don’t worry, the New Hitler will come, the anti-Christian murderers, torturers days are numbered!
      Stay faithful to Jesus Christ, God and pray everyday. Do NOT let these zionbolsheviks take your children, family and beliefs away!

  • s c

    Some get it. Some don’t. Some couldn’t care less about ‘getting it.’ The 2nd Amendment concerns one, basic issue. It is a guaranteed, constitutional right. No individual or group has the right to tinker with it or try and eliminate it.
    Any politician or professor or role model who argues that we have outgrown our need for the 2nd Amendment is a liar, thief, traitor, criminal, moral degenerate, social pariah, two-legged predator, skunk, weasel, sociopath, psychotic manipulator and a wannabe dictator. How can anyone not understand why we will never outgrow our absolute RIGHT and need for the 2nd Amendment?

    • Reggie

      Yea all you got to do is listin to the news and look at what is taking place in Washington and you should know we have not outgrown the need for the 2nd amendment. If you think that this gov is not about enslaving us you better wake up it’s comming.

  • ss_sid

    The youth is the answer to most all of our problems. Get them involved and maybe some of those with the power will listen. That is the problem, getting them involved, they could care less. They don’t realize that their rights are being taken from them at a very quick rate and soon will be under socialism rule very soon. What a farce!!!! Where does it say, that what I make should be used to support those who won’t support themselves.

  • Denise Holliday

    While I understand the emotions behind most of these statements, the reality of everyone carrying guns is a dangerous one.

    People with guns have the subliminal back-up to push their opinions regardless of the outcome and often claim to have god on their side.

    The right to own guns and carry them when required for special events such as hunting, target practice etc, is a good and viable option. While the idea of all and any person carrying what ever they think fit, that is a mixed and crazy philosophy that will bring misery to many people on both sides of the argument.

    A teacher who is armed and ready will be a mental case in the event the weapon is used, no matter whether the person killed is the intended victim, another person or the teacher.

    Children often misunderstand what is meant by a adult who gets upset. They take firearms to locations where it is not permitted and use them. These are children who have issues, not your everyday kids. Please consider carefully what you are suggesting.

    Denise Holliday
    “Over The Rainbow”
    CKDU, Halifax, NS
    denisesined@ns.sympatico.ca

    • Jay

      Denise:

      You are one of the ones that “doesn’t get it”. I have a license to carry a firearm, and I do carry, and thankfully I have never had to use it to defend myself, my family or anyone else. But if the need arises, then I have it at my disposal to protect life and property. If a bad situation developes, and I am not armed, then I can do nothing. Then who is going to feel bad, because I could nothing? Whose life could I have saved…..maybe yours, maybe a family member of yours? Would you want someone to help you in time of dire need, when there are not any police officers at your side? “”Please consider carefully what you are suggesting””. When the “right to carry law” was passed in Texas, many naysayers were suggesting that “there will be blood in the streets”. That didn’t happen. The reason it didn’t happen is because you have to pass a stringent background test, as well as written exams and proficiency tests, before you are issued a concealed handgun license. It’s the “law abiding citizen” that gets a permit. It’s the LAWBREAKERS that do the “bad stuff”. It’s been said many times before, but some people still “don’t get it”. If you disarm the law abiding public, then the only people who have guns are the “lawbreakers”……….or your government that wishes to enslave you. – - My wife & children have been taught to respect firearms, and they have also been taught how to use them properly, & SAFELY. It’s the parents responsibility to teach their children. It’s too bad that a lot of parents don’t take on that responsibility as they should. I choose to be able to defend myself, if need be. I do not have a “subliminal” wish to use my firearm to to “push” my views on anyone, nor do any of my friends who also have a CHL. I think your comments are not intended to suggest that the 2nd Amendment be abolished, but this current administration is abusing the US Constitution on a daily basis. What makes anyone think that those people are not going to try to abolish the 2nd Amendment when everything in there background says that they ARE anti-2nd Amendment. You can do as you wish in “NOVA SCOTIA” (which is not part of the USA, I don’t believe), but don’t try to force your views on others, as our “so-called representatives” in Washington want to do. A nation disarmed is no longer a free nation – you become servants of your masters. Not me………

      • Marilii

        Great reply, Jay. Guns in the hands of citizens keep blood from flowing on the streets. Guns only in the hands of criminals assure that blood will definitly flow not only onto the streets, but everywhere else too.

    • quakergirl

      Stay in Nova Scotia and abject yourself to the Queen.

    • Sylvia

      Denise, I do understand your fear, but you are so wrong in your assessment of
      gun owners & their intent while armed. I am a 70yr old woman that has carried a weapon for 45 yrs. To date ,out of 99% of the people that know me, 1% may have actually has seen my weapon because I have put it under lock & key in the presence of children for their safety.
      I have not pulled the trigger on anyone yet but that does not mean that I would NOT defend myself or a loved one. Just by knowing that I have protection if needed I can go where ever I please in safety. Now your assessment of me is so
      typicial of the anti gun people that I feel sorry for you, if push comes to shove it will be folks like me that will have to protect YOU.

  • http://GUNControlisGovtControl homer

    OK most young kids today don’t want guns, BUT by the same token, WHEN it comes to the subject of gun control most kids today haven’t GOT a CLUE. Has anyone ever read about gun control in Pre-world war 2 era, Hitler made gun control mandatory and look what happened there. How about Srtalin and Plo pot in the Red China regime. Look at every communist nation they ALL had gun control and they had tyranny. They had a country where millions were killed. Don’t you tell me how good gun control is: UNTIL you study the past on “Gun Contro” I DO believe in GUN Control, BUT I believe in hitting what I aim for! GUN CONTROL IS GOVERNMERT CONTROL!!! DON’t you believe otherwise!!! P.S. Get the Facts first! see DEATH by “Gun Control” by Aaron Zelman &Richard W.Stevens http://www.jpfo.org then tell me how much you like gun control Bruce

    • FarRightWinger

      “Hitler made gun-control mandatory”. HOW? WHEN? Where is the Gesetzblatt (Weaponslaw) statement? I see only teh March 12.1938, #321. Waffengesetzblatt, which actually OVERTHROW the jew-run liberal-marxist Weimar Republik’s gun-control laws and let the German population OWN and POSSESS guns. The age-limit from 20 was reduced to 18 for individuals to own privately guns, rifles. Now the classic blahblahblah that Nazi Germany has disarmed jews is also a LIE. A blatant 100% lie. The 1938 Law clearly admitted that no person with German citizenship should be denied to own guns, except mental, or criminal background. Jews were allowed to own guns, but were barred to MANUFACTURE and own GUN DEALERSHIP in Germany after 1938. Since Israel did not exist at that time and world-jewry declared world-wide boycott on Hitler’s Germany only after 52 days when He was elected into office, a homeless, nationless people declared war on Germans and therefore jews were treated as enemies. EVEN ON THIS STAGE, it was more than friendly act NOT to disarm the jews and let them have weapons, when , in fact communist sabotages, terrorist actions led the German nation to Krystallnacht, when the people of Germany had finally enough from jewish/communist terror and sabotages and murders.

      • http://GUNControlisGovtControl homer

        To Whom it May concern, Mr. Far right winger, Sir, You are entitled to your opinion and I support what it is that you think only because that is what you think and you are free to do so. But you have not proved ONE thing by the blather that you sent me, means nothing! What means something is what has happened in history is fact, and the fact IS that Gun control is “ALWAYS” a precurser to govt take over! NOw you can do one of two things you can stand upon you decision or you can check HISTORY and see if this Idea of Gun control doesn’t bear out what I say. I have studied this topic and I see that it is always the case. The truth is that men never learn by history. Name any socilaist/communist or tyranical govt today that hasn’t been taken over and see if “Gun Control ” hasn’t been the precursor to Govt control. Friend let me make this perfectly clear and IF you can OPEN your eyes long enough to see the truth you will see. This govt under a “African Muslim, born in Kenya and not born in the U.S. has his eyes set on “Change” in this country and that change will make this country a “socilaist ” country. This govt is being “Socialised in Medicine and the auto industry and many other aspects. This country is systematically being torn down and if you don’t see that you are blind in one eye and can’t see out of the Other. Lastly tell when was the job of the American govt to run an auto business and a healthcare etc business. The ONLY job of this govt is to “Sopport and defend the constitution of the United States. Who does that today!

        • FarRightWinger

          I am perfectly agree with you HOMER. However, I think you misunderstood me down to the core. I am NOT pro-NObama. If it is up to me, this Kenyan-citizen would be deported back to his Kenyan jungle before the sun goes down tonite… You can be 100% assured that I am:
          - anti-NObama,
          - anti-abortion,
          - anti-immigration,
          - anti-democRAT,
          - anti-homo,
          - anti-communist,
          - anti-war activist.

          I know exactly that NO communist government in any kind of form ever let the peopel possess guns. I posted once that in the communist satellite-countries (under stricht Soviet occupation and control) there was NOT allowed anyone tro have even 1 bullet at his/her possession. Hidden guns, ammos carried out the death-sentences in soem cases. Only the communist-party members, cops and army officials were allowed carry guns.

          I still can’t see the connection between the “Hitler confiscated all guns” lies and your message. I repeat: the jewish lies about Nazi gun-control has nothing else to do but blindfold the masses about the jewish-communist REAL GUN CONTROL they imposed on the populations , almost on the very first day when they seized power. This might hurts your feeling, bc Americans are taught to love their jewish buddies, but: GUN CONTROL IS SO JEWISH AS THE KOSHER CHUTZPAH! A little research will reveal the real facts:
          http://www.jewwatch.com

        • http://GUNControlisGovtControl homer

          Look friend, We agree on the NObama thing and the fact the govt is gone to hell etc. but if I get your drift you are not keen on the Jewish people. I need to know your exact thoughts on the jews to make a judgement on what you have said as far as that fact goes but, the one thing I will NOT do is be anything but a blessing to the Jewish people. I am NOT sure if you realize this or jave even considered this but the Hurricanes and the earth quakes and disaters this world has had, man, 57 to date, have been linked to what this nation and other nations have doen to or for the jewish nation. I have the results and I have read them firsthand. I know we started talking about gun control but that is not tied to the Jews. It is tied to corrupt govt’s and this govt and all before it are corrupt and use guncontrol to control the masses. When guns are available, the govt’s are good, and when guns are in ? then, govt’s rise up and usurp the masses. History bares that out. Countless countries/states have gone this way and this nation will on it’s way to a national scrap heap. Thanks Bruce

  • Mac Shavers

    MS Holliday,

    Apparently you have never had anyone close to you or someone you loved (i.e. a child, mother, sister), who was abducted, raped, tortured and then brutally killed, by the kind of human animals that our current society has bred. As a former paramedic and law enforcement officer, I saw it far too often. I understand your concern regarding giving just anyone a weapon and I agree that this should never happen. But taking away a persons right to protect themself from the evil of this world, should never happen either, even if it is their government that they are being protected from.

    What you might want to consider, is that (1) the US Constitution (2nd Amendment), gives every American citizen (who is Not a fellon or mentally unstable) the right to bear arms, for their protection, (2) it’s a proven fact that the Only victims of violence are those who do not have the capability, knowlege or means to protect themselves, (3) 99.9% of gun using violent offenders are either a criminal, prior criminal or mentally unstable, and these people will still be able to purchase guns on the black market, regardless of whether you or I can, (4) it is also a proven (historical) fact that any government who has ever set out to disarm it’s citizens in the name of peace, has done so to gain control in order to put them under opression (Germany, Russia, Red China, Vietnam, Iraq), what would you do to protect yourself or loved ones, if a violent individual came into your home in the middle of the night with murder or mayhem on their mind, love or understand will not help you with these people, because they know neither.

    Two very old quotes: (1) “When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults”, (2) “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” (Edmund Burke)

    Our American ancestors saw the tyrany in letting a government become too powerful, remember, power corrupts, absolute power, corrupts absolutely. Now you may not agree with any of this and as a FREE American citizen you have that right. As a current American soldier, I will die to protect that right you currently hold as have too many of my friends have already done.

    God Bless and Stay Freely Safe!

    MS :-)

    • Don

      Ms Holliday IS NOT an American citizen! She resides in Nova Scotia which is under Canadian rule? The Queens Subjects. Canada has been disarmed and check out where 75% of the HELLS ANGELS moved their gangs to…

  • James Walker

    SubjecT: Who am I ???
    I was born in one country, raised in another. My father was born in another country. I was not his only child. He had fathered several children with numerous women.
    I became very close to my mother as my father showed no interest in me. My mother died at an early age from cancer. Later in life questions arose over my real name. My birth records were sketchy and no one was able to produce a legitimate, reliable birth certificate.
    I grew up practicing one faith one faith but converted to Christianity, as it was widely accepted in my country, but I practiced non-traditional beliefs & didn’t follow Christianity, except in the public eye under scrutiny.
    I worked and lived among lower-class people as a young adult, disguising myself as someone who really cared about them. That was before I decided it was time to get serious about my life, and I embarked on a new career.
    I wrote a book about my struggles growing up. It was clear to those who read my memoirs that I had difficulties accepting that my father abandoned me as a chid. I became active in local politics in my 30′s then with help behind the scenes, I literally burst onto the scene as a candidate for national office in my 40′s. They said I had a golden tongue and could talk anyone into anything. That reinforced my conceit.
    I had a virtually non-existent resume, little work history, and no experience in leading a single organization. Yet, I was a powerful speaker and citizens were drawn to me as though I were a magnet and they were small roofing tacks.
    I drew incredibly large crowds during my public appearances. This bolstered my ego. At first my polical campaign focused on my country’s foreign policy…. I was very critical of my country in the last war and seized every opportunity to bash my country.
    But what launched my rise to national prominence were my views on the country’s economy. I pretended to have a really good plan on how we could do better and every poor person would be fed and housed for free.
    I knew which group was responsible for getting us in this mess. It was the free market, banks, and corporations. I decided to start making citizens hate them and if they were envious of others who did well, the plan was clinched tight.
    I called mine “A People’s Campaign” and that sounded good to all people. I was the surprise candidate because I emerged from outside the traditional path of politics and was able to gain widespread popular support.
    I knew that if I merely offered the people “hope”, together we could change our country and the world. So, I started to make my speeches sound like they were on behalf of the downtrodden, poor, ignorant to include “persecuted minorities”.
    My true views were not widely known & I needed to keep them unknown, until after I became my nation’s leader.
    I had to carefully guard reality, as anybody could have easily found out what I really believed, if they had simply read my writings and examined those people I associated with. I’m glad they didn’t. Then, I became the most powerful man in the world. And, the world learned the trurth.

    who am I???

    Adolf Hitler
    …….who were you thinking of?? …… scary isn’t it?

    • Alabama vet

      James Walker….As soon as i read the first few lines of your letter,i knew who you meant.The comparison is right on .I am old enough to remember WW 2 and Hitler as well as all the misery and destruction he caused the world ,including his own country.Germany was suffering from hard times when he came into power and his golden tongue convinced people that he had all the answers to bring about good times once again.Not everyone fell for his speeches and those that did not were declared enemies of the state or His government and some just vanished or worse.First thing he did was to disarm the people and the second thing was to eliminate their freedom of speech.The same thing was done to every country he invaded.Dictators fear people being able to speak their mind and weapons in the hands of these people is a very dangerous thing.People that are able to bear arms are free men,those that cant are subjects or slaves.Don’t ever make the mistake of thinking that it can’t happen here or to you.Those that forget history are doomed to repeat it.

      • FarRightWinger

        Just the short memo: Hitler did NOT cause any destruction, nor suffering. Adolf Hitler tried to avoid the war, bc He knew war is hell and the European people do NOT need war. The negotiation between His leadership and world-jewry to relocate all European jews to the island of Madagaskar – failed. Hitler’s Deputy, Rudolf Hess was sent to England to make a peace effort with that fat idiot with the cigar, but he listened his jewish buddy Rosenfeld, and arrested Him upon landing on British soil. He was killed in 1989 by the British M15 terrorist group to silence him after 44 years in Spandau. He was silenced so he couldn’t tell the world, that WW2 could be avoided and MILLIONS of innocent Europeans shouldn’t have die. Zionists pushed Germany, England and the USA into war, they are responsible for the MILLIONS OF CHRISTIANS KILLED and the widespread devastation caused by the war… Rudolf Hess was silenced. The destruction, and suffering Sir, was caused by your government (too) and the zionbolshevik war-mongers – almost the same ones who pushed America into the unlawful Iraq war…

        • Alabama Vet

          FarRightWinger….Sounds to me that you were born too late as you would have made a great member of the nazi party.If you really think that Hitler and his followers did not cause any destuction or suffering.you are living out a fantasy and perhaps you need to join the skinheads as they to seem to have your core values and also hate jews,blacks,etc.I don’t know what you nationality is ,but i’m willing to bet that you have never served a day in the service of this country.I went to school with a survivor of Hitlers Germany.He was a jew[ YES,ONE OF THOSE TERRIBLE PEOPLE THAT CAUSE ALL THE WARS ]and was loaded into open cattle cars along with his entire family in the middle of winter to be taken to one of Hitlers camps.To make a long story short,he was the only one in his family that survived out of a family of five.When i knew him he still had the tattooe’d death camp number on his arm.He was totally bald due to the high fever he had due to mistreatment and starvation under the nazi’s.Even tho all this took place over fifty years ago,i will always remember the look in his eyes..They were eyes that had looked into the very depths of HELL..He was about five when he was in that camp and 15 when i knew him.But i guess that really never happened since Hitler was such a warm and wonderful human being.If you really want an education,you need to stop reading all those fantasy novels and get a real life and take a good hard look at the world around you.

      • FarRightWinger

        Alabama Vet, how about those 3,000+ gulags (communist death-camps) thoughout Siberia (in the former Sovietunion for your info) which were designed by Kaganovits, a well-known pure zionist jew? Unfortunately, these camps did NOT include any jew, only Christians. They were dumped there for believeing in Christian values, reading and keeping the Bible or simply just going to Church.
        I could be a good Nazi? Maybe I am. You, who scream all day in long epochs about “freedom of speech” and “freedom of expression”, you stop at that point? Maybe I am a Good Ol’ Nazi, so what? I AM PROUD OF IT. I AM 100% PROUD TO STAND UP FOR MY BELIEFS. And I know, I am NOT the only one! I just help others to reveal the Truth, bc I see Americans are terribly misinformed and misled by its “masters”. They know, the awakening of Americans will bring the Freedom they want and for them the hell and they want this prevented by any means.
        You ask for my nationality – I am European. I was born there well after your Soviet bruders und schwesterns invaded and “liberated us” from Christianity, freedoms Hitler and His Nazis gave us, allowing the subhumanoid mongoloid hordes to establish their talmudic reign-of-terror on us.
        Your vets let 10+ millions of Germans and other Central- and Eastern Europeans forcibly resettled by the bolsheviks, your vets stood guard to let 4 MILLION disarmed German, Hungarian and Italian soldiers vanished and starved-to-death in your concentration camps. YES, THOSE WERE REAL DESTRUCTION CAMPS, REAL HORRORS, unlike those “auschwitz, dachau and bergen-belsen” camps which were holding jews to be transferred to the island Madagaskar, upon agreement with world-jewry. Which we know, never happened. In fact jews in those camps survived the war, while European freedomfighters died, wounded and captured by the soviet butchers in the war against subhumanoid ideology.
        I don’t need your “teaching”, you are full of NOTHING, actually I think YOU need to read other than the Washington Post or NYT. There are so many books, literatures, videos, DVDs and now the Interent available for you. If you need help to find out the Truth, they will help you. Don’t be afraid to see and recognize the Truth, because it will make you free. Shake down your chains from your blindfolded mind, bro.

    • Robin, Arcadia, IN

      Scary? Too many people do not realize how scary! I also knew who you were talking about. Probably my age showing…. However, you are right on. Wow… I have been saying for years that America will fall because Americans have become apathetic. It’s happening…. I sincerely hope we will be able to make the change that America needs.

  • Jen

    (Please disregard if this is a duplicate message. After submitting the last one, a message came up saying “fatal error” so I’m assuming it didn’t go through.)

    A woman who had been attending my church was brutally murdered by her ex-boyfriend in the middle of the street in front of neighbors. He beat her to death with the butt of a gun. The one man (elderly) who tried to stop it was hit in the back of the head with the gun also.

    I had driven down that same street just 10 minutes earlier. Since then I’ve often thought – what if I had witnessed that and had a gun on me? Hopefully I wouldn’t even have had to use it – just point it at him and maybe he would stop. Or maybe he wouldn’t – but then it would be him choosing to die because someone is defending herself or someone else. She did not choose to die that day! If any witness had a gun that day and was willing to use it, she may still be alive today. That would have been her only chance.

    No matter what – the ruthless criminals are always going to be able to get the guns. We must be allowed to defend ourselves if necessary!

    • Sylvia

      Jen, You are so right about the idea of thinking, “what if” I had a weapon , maybe she would be alive today. Like I have said I have carried a weapon for years without using it,BUT there was one incedent where it came to having to fire my weapon or not. My eldest son was attacked and was being pistol-whipped by a man. I pulled out my 38 & put it between his eyes, told him to drop it or die, he chose to live. I was taken to court for brandishing a fire-arm & Judge said justifiable case dissmissed. So having a weapon does make a lot of differences in any situations that turns bad.

  • guiseppi sparacio

    My dear Ms Holland, the subject of gun control is a gut wrenching subject for many people and the understanding of this complex issue is difficult to grasp because it is not the guns that are the problem, no more than alcohol is to DUI deaths or violations of driving a car unsafely as to cause vehicular homicide. We have not even considered shutting down the liquor stores since they are the primary enablers, and we sure as heck won’t shut down car manufacturing even though there are tons more deaths due to automobiles. And knives and bee bee guns and vicious dogs and exposing others to deadly diseases and the list goes on. Until illegal drugs were abused by so many, the gun issue wasn’t a significant problem until it was pretty evident that many criminals possessed illegal firearms to control drug trade or to commit armed robbery to sustain the drug habit. Personal responsibility to do the right thing is something our society will never consistantly get right and to expect others to give up their freedoms and unalienable rights to make up for the irresponsible few for the greater good of society is an unworkable solution. I was in the military for 28 years and eight months and was under arms quite a bit. I can assure you that firearms responsibility can be taught to reasonable minded people. This notion that some politicians preach about passing gun laws to make us safer is like saying that reducing our stockpile of nuclear weapons from 5000 to 3500 will make the world a safer place. It’s always easy to offer advice without a solution, so what about life in prison for convicted drug dealers on a second conviction, and a thorough 6 month or 12 month rehab in boot camp conditions for criminal drug users who do not commit a capitol offense. The recidisizm rate would decrease, the gun violations would plummet, and the cost to society in lives saved would be enormous.
    This mindset to confiscate or control all guns is clouding the issues that would resolve this problem. There are many gun laws on the books that are not being enforced and the penalties are too puny to protect society in a newer and more dangerous world. There are 37,000 mexican gang members alone that are located in most of the big cities across the country, wouldn’t it be great if that problem could be resolved. As long as we have the illegal immigrant problem this situation will only get worse. The days of being able to sleep with your bedroom window open is gone and in my case God is not going to protect me from being a pacifist, after he gave me a brain to take care of myself. I spent over 28 years protecting your right to your opinion and I hope that should you ever be a victim, someone will step up to the plate to help you. HJS

    • Tim FL

      Another way to rid ourselves of drug violence is to legalize these substances and offer them over the counter at any Walgreens or CVS phamacy. If people are determined to use drugs, they’ll get them, no matter what. Our country spends billions upon billions of dollars to perpetuate this nasty war on drugs with virtually no results. Drugs are still available, now more than ever before. In my state the only form of violence on the rise is drug and gang related crime. If our governments, state and federal, would come to their senses and put an end to what I like to call Prohibition #2, you would see this type of violence disappear almost overnight. Wouldn’t you feel better if there were no more drug dealers on the street or turf wars to control drug sale territory?
      Now before anyone tosses out the arguments to these statements, keep in mind the underlying reality here. IF PEOPLE ARE DETERMINED TO USE DRUGS, THEY’LL GET THEM, NO MATTER WHAT!!

      • Dickie

        Tim, They will never Leaglize drugs, The politicians will lose so much money, Think about it, These bums on the street can”t get that much money to bring that crap over here up front, That is why they don”t burn up the poppy fields in AFG, Or burn the pot fields in south america, or want to spend money to use sonar for the tunnels at the mexican border, To stop the traffican at the border, Makes sence don”t it, Or start a drug program in schools in the first grade, It is just another lie these evil tell, To make them look good.

      • http://GUNControlisGovtControl homer

        Yeah , what an Idiot! So, youre telling me if a man decides to commit suicide, well if he really wants to commit suicide, let hin do it, if that is what he really wants. What an assinine analligy,.. You ought to run for President you would be right at home! In a looney bin !

        • Tim FL

          Sorry homer, there were no analogies in my statement. But, you did make me think about this from the suicide angle. Let’s see, there are a lot of folks out there committing slow, deliberate suicide every day by smoking, overeating, drinking alcohol to excess,etc. What’s one more legal vice in a malaise of suicidal activities?
          I would be willing to bet you that while planning their next move in the war on drugs, our politicians will be sitting down to a plate of prime rib and baked potato with sour cream and butter, a decadent, fattening desert and a couple of glasses of wine. Maybe after dinner they will step outside for a cigarette or a big, fat stogie. And then finally, before retiring for the evening, they’ll have a “night cap” of scotch and soda or a martini.
          Do you see the point I’m trying to make here? Probably not! You just keep on beating your head against the wall homer, ol’ boy…in the meantime I’m going to go get a bite to eat. All of this talk of suicide has made me hungry!!!

    • FarRightWinger

      Gun-contorl has NOTHING to do with “protetring lifes”. If the governments are really care about peoples lifes, they would ban cars, pens, knives, alcohol, drugs, even airplanes, bc when they carsh they kill by hundreds… Are there any attempt to close doiwn the show with these? Of course, not. The gun-control issue has ONLY ONE reason: confiscate all guns, make the massess unable to defend themselves in a case of government intrusion or lawlessness.
      Imagine if our 2nd Amendment was taken away last month. Do you think Congress would ask anyone about “voting”? They would ban it immediately. They would bring into lawa draconian regualtions without questioning anyone. Of course, they fear nothing and nobody bc there will be no massive resistance to the dictatorship. And this is what they want. The planners of the SovietUnion, have the same plans for America.
      They will use starvation to exchange guns for food, bring in dreaconian gun-confiscation laws and even a special paramilitary police-force to search for illegally owned weapons.

  • June

    I’m glad I live in Australia!!!!!!

  • Jerry

    I couldn’t agree more with the pro gunners. I live in Mass and we have the toughest gun laws in the country. Many hand guns are “not approved” for sale in this state because our AG is allowed to dis-approve them because of the way they look. If “she” finds them scarry looking, out they go. Out of 126 manufacturers 6 are approved, that is a shame. To get a license to carry you have to take an “approved” gun safety course. This costs $100.00 another $100.00 to apply for a license that is a right under the second amendment. And then you have to wait 4 to 6 weeks for a background check. After all this if the Police Chief doesn’t like your face you get refused.
    If our founding fathers were here now they would string up most of the politicians in Washington. Our President has recently gone to Europe and said something to the effect that we are not a Christian nation. I suggest he goes inside the Lincoln memorial and read the walls. This guy is a disgrace to the Presidency.

  • onebella

    Jack Lang, you couldn’t of said it any better!!!!

    People, hang on too your guns to protect yourselves from our govt! How sad, but it is what it is…………………..l will not go down without a fight and I believe all good Americans will do the same!

  • Mark

    I will give up my gun when the jackbooted thugs pry it from my cold dead fingers. “PERIOD” I am partially disabled and I’m unable to protect myself or my wife on a phyiscal level. Therefore, it is my constitutional right to keep and bare arms and that’s exactly what I’m doing. And, there is a law in my state that says that if I feel my life or life of a loved one is in danger, I do not have to retreat. I can stand and shoot and shoot I will. “Never mind the dog. Beware of the owner”

    • Sylvia

      Mark– Amen to that.
      I have a sign that says—- Beware-I DO NOT DIAL 911,
      I also will defend what I have & my family with my life & the help of S&W , as well
      as Mr. Ruger. They are very close to me at all times. Hubby feels exactly as I do.

  • http://ChristianLaborParty. Khary Sudan

    I am an ardent supporter of the right to bear arms. At the same time I see the hand of divine providence running through this issue. We have all heard the phrase, “as you have done so shall it be done to you”. What have the free people of America done to bring this threat of calamity on themselves?

    Sometimes to solve a problem you have to go back to square one so to speak. Ask yourself where did the concept of “gun control” originate? Okay, here is the answer!

    After the end of the Reconstruction era the federal troops were withdrawn from the South. KKK terrorists and other racist groups were running rampant. The racist anti-Black terrorists begin to complain because African Americans and Republican Whites were armed and defending themselves from murder and mayhem at the hands of the KKK and other racial terrorists.

    Rather than defend the right of Blacks and Whites to bear arms to defend themselves Republican Liberals proposed to disarm everyone to supposedly prevent the use of firearms in the promotion of terrorism to subjugate Blacks and their White supporters.

    As we all know if you disarm the” good guys” the “bad guys” will be the only ones who are armed. The White Republican Liberals chose to ignore human nature and the facts on the ground.

    They allowed the passage of gun control laws effectively disarming Blacks and their White supporters across the South. Murder, mayhem and racial oppression followed and lasted until the modern civil rights era and new federal legislation brought it to a halt.

    Remember Cheney, Schwerner , and Goodman? The three young men killed during the late 60′s by the KKK? Many Black soldiers coming back from the Spanish-American war, WWI and even WWII were lynched or brutalized while still in uniform. Buffalo soldiers out west were frequently attacked by racists Whites. Churches , schools and homes were burned and bombed. You know the history as well as I do.

    “As you have done so shall it be done to you”, unless ye repent. Now that southern Whites are Republican they can’t beg, buy or steal a Black vote for the GOP. Blacks from Frederick Douglass to Martin Luther King were Republicans but not any longer. Whites brought this state of affairs on themselves. Blacks make up only 10 % of the population and even less than that of the electorate. Don’t blame us for the sins of your fathers.

    “Lest ye repent”! All Whites southerners have to do have to do is apologize and admit their fathers sinned by oppressing Blacks and Whites during the post-Reconstruction era. The KKK weas wrong and White support of it was wrong. Simply say that just as Blacks are welcome in the Army, they are welcome in America’s citizens militia. Call a spade a spade, the 2nd amendment is for Blacks as well as Whites.

    Then point out that the GOP Liberals of that long ago era were also wrong for not supporting Blacks right to defend themselves and that the gun control laws are racist and now outmoded in America.

    These laws originated with racist White Liberals who would not defend Blacks 2nd amendment rights to defend themselves. As Whites have done it is now being done to them. Simple have Gov. Haley Barbour declare the day John Brown’s attack on Harper’s Ferry National 2nd Amendment Day. Gen. Robert E. Lee would also be a good day especially in the South. The weekend near these dates would be good as we all like 3-day holidays.

    Gun shows, shooting matches, horse parades and marching school bands and local Army or Reserve units all would celebrate our 2nd amendment in a most glorious fashion.

    The leftist gun haters of today would melt away as the source of their movement was exposed to the light of day for what it was and is. The racist selling out of the Black citizens right to self defense in the face of 19th century KKK racial terrorism.

    In the face of Americans celebrating and exercising their 2nd amendment rights every year God would bless America and and freedom would ring

    • Mike-O

      Most Republicans back then were black and the KKK was the enforcement arm of the Democratic party. The Democrats today have fooled the blacks that the are trying to help them. They are actually enslaving them with welfare ect.

  • diondonne

    Whenever governments fear its citizens, the first thing those governments will always do is disarm its citizens to protect itself from the people. A citizen militia armed with nothing more threatening than scythes, garden hoes, lawn rakes and axes does not pose much of a threat to a government armed with machine guns, tanks and guided missiles.

    “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed;
    as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States.” –Noah Webster

    Doctors 9,000 times more dangerous:::
    “According to statistics provided by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, there is an interesting correlation between accidental deaths caused by guns and those caused by doctors. There are 700,000 physicians in the U.S. that cause 120,000 accidental deaths each year. Accidental death per physician is 0.171 percent. There are 80 million gun owners in the U.S. responsible for 1,500 accidental gun deaths per year for a percentage of accidental deaths per gun owner of 0.0000188. Doctors are 9,000 times more dangerous to the public health than gun owners.”

    • Mike-O

      You are trying yo confuse people with facts.

  • SSG Prasuhn

    I take it you’re a ‘White Supremist’. Poor fellow. The ONLY good Hitler did (for Germany) was make it so everyone was able to afford a vehicle (creation of the Volkswagen) and the creation of the Autobahn (super highways) — which were initially used for mass transit and as ‘emergency’ airstrips for use during the war (WWII). He attempted to ‘create’ a ‘Master Race’ (blonde, blue-eyed) of which ‘he’ would be the ‘ruler’ (even though he didn’t ‘match’ what he was wanting to ‘produce’) and he SLAUGHTERED millions of Jews in the process.

    He (Hitler) too, had many of the ‘young’ (and dumb) as ‘followers’ (kind of like Obama has today) who ‘worshiped’ any and everything he said. The ‘older’ Germans (those who ‘lived’ through WWI (known as the ‘War to End All Wars’ — or so it was ‘hoped’ at the time) HATED Hitler (my grandfather, grandmother, dad and family — who immigrated to America before WWII (and Hitler) got his ‘footing’ (they ‘saw it coming’ and wanted NO part of it)). My dad was approached by his ‘once’ friends (before Hitler started his ‘garbage’) to ‘join’ either the ‘Brown Shirts’ (later to become the ‘Wehrmacht’ (German Army, under Hitler) or the ‘Black Shirts’ (later to become the ‘SS’). He (dad) told them to ‘flake off’, that he (dad) wanted NO part of either group.

    My grandfather was in the ‘Kaiser’s’ Navy during WWI and was decorated for saving the boat he was on when it was struck by a torpedo in the area of the ammunition hold. He (grandpa) ‘knew’ what war was (is) like and didn’t want any part of going through another one…especially when he ‘knew’ it would be in his ‘Homeland’ (as was most of WWI).

    I spent nearly ten years (with the Army) in Germany and have spoken to young and old about ‘Hitler’ and what ‘they’ thought of WWII. The ‘young’ (and dumb) believed (still to this day) that Hitler was ‘a great man’ (WRONG), the ‘older’ (and much, much wiser) folks ‘hated’ (and still do) Hitler. The only thing(s) they credit him with is what I’ve mentioned above (about the Volkswagen and Autobahn). Other than that, they were (and are) ashamed of what he did otherwise (primarily for what he did to the Jews). Even those living close to the concentration camps at the time had no idea what was going on until (near the end of the war — WWII) the ‘allied’ troops used (forced) them to ‘work’ at the camps burying the corpses that were left lying about, collecting what they could for identification of the dead and ‘treating’ the still living for whatever ailments they were suffering from being under Hitler’s ‘care’ (I’m being polite here on that point — ‘care’).

    Some say Hitler had the ‘right idea’ in ‘terminating’ the Jews. Personally, I think he picked on the ‘wrong people’. He should have opted for those of ‘your’ ilk — the biggots, racists and white supremists (but then that wouldn’t work — he (Hitler) WAS ONE himself!)

    Me? I’m white, German-American (born of a German father, American mother) and I too ‘hate’ Hitler, even though ‘he’ was before my time (1947). I also hate wars (now retired US Army) and the destruction and misery they create. You would think that after all these thousands of years that man has been walking the earth that ‘he’ (man) would learn that war doe NOT ‘cure’ any problems…it ONLY creates MORE (and more with each war fought). Shouldn’t we (man) be intelligent enough (now?) to know this and ‘try’ to ‘talk it out’ rather than ‘fight it out’? So much for all those ‘degrees’ our representatives have hanging on their office walls to ‘show the world’ just how ‘smart’ the are(n’t). And here I sit with only a HS (GED) education (formally); but a PhD from the ‘School of Hard Knocks’. Go figure!!

    • Mike-O

      Thank You Sargent for you service to our country. I wish everyone had your common sense.

  • Bender

    You can bet that any sane person who has ever carried a weapon for their country will not willingly give up their personal weapon. The Constitution guarantees that we can have and carry our weapons. We are strongest when we are an armed camp. Look at Iran, all they have to oppose a despot is rocks. Fascists and totalitarians will first try to disarm you before they oppress you and enslave you. We need to keep our guns . . . that will keep our politicians from stepping over the despotic line.

  • Dickie

    People must know, Or don”t want to beleve that the goverment has been trying to take our rights to protect ourseleves, And the freedom to own guns, Of all people, ted kennedy,pelosi,reid,& muthar, Have been thrying to take our rights to own, They are so imoral,They even try to sneek anti-gun laws, In other bills that might actually would help Americans, But they knowing that with all of the meanless garbage they throw in these bills,Is the way these carpetbaggers,can do their dirty little deeds, IF they can some how deface our constitution, They are NOT above that, They have already proved that, I just pray, That these people will open their eyes, And see what they are & Have been doing to us, I see where the people in N.V. Are now seeing how reid has been lieing to them,And if the poor people of Calif. And I don”t POOR AS IN POOR, I mean Good people that has really been royally, BY the demon-craps they have been putting in office, They need to put All the demons out and at least put all new demns in They sure in hell have nothing to lose, And muthar,is nothing but a loser thug,And look how he is takeing money for job, The people that votes in these thugs in office,Desereve what they get like, And what in the HELL were the people in minsoat, Thinking Damn, They don”t watch the news , We don”t desereve these crooks, These lossers will try to take our guns,And we will be throwing rocks, Don”t beleve me KEEP PUTTING THESE LIARS BACK IN,THEY WILL HAVE THEIR GUNS.

  • FarRightWinger

    Please forgive my bluntness, but the United States Government thinks you’re a terrorist. Welcome in teh SovietAmerica and – soon – in the land of gulags for people who love guns, God (and rock’n’roll?).

    And now they’re trying to pass a bill allowing gun-grabbing Attorney General Eric Holder to revoke all your Second Amendment rights at will if he has “a reasonable belief” you could pose a “threat.”
    I know this sounds unbelievable, but read on.
    As you know, in a recently released report, the goons at Barack Obama’s Department of Homeland Security classified gun owners, honorably discharged veterans and little old church ladies as threats to the security and stability of the United States of America.

    Even a gesture as simple as placing a pro-gun bumper sticker on your car, or supporting a pro-gun candidate makes you a potential “domestic terrorist” in the eyes of the thugs running our government.

    Obviously, your First Amendment rights of free speech mean as much to Obama’s Department of Homeland Security as your Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.

    And to add insult to injury, Barack Obama’s Surveillance Czar Janet Napolitano sees no difference between law-abiding gun owners like you and violent racists who murder and vandalize.

    But if that’s not shocking and outrageous enough, it gets worse…

    Republican quislings Peter King of New York, Mark Kirk of Illinois and Mike Castle of Delaware have just introduced a new gun control bill that comes right out of this so-called “Rightwing Extremist” report.

    I’m talking about H.R. 2159, the shockingly misnamed “Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009.”

    I call it the “Disarming American Citizens Act of 2009.”

    These anti-gun Republicans-in-Name-Only want to disarm you because they fear your pro-liberty views.

    In fact, your love of freedom frightens them so much that they’re now going to great lengths to label you a domestic terrorist.

    It’s the perfect way to silence “troublemakers” like you and me, and to marginalize our influence.

    And make no mistake: If Congress passes H.R. 2159, Eric Holder would have the authority to deny thousands of innocent Americans their constitutionally protected rights.

    But this bill isn’t just about Eric Holder taking away your Second Amendment rights if you’re “appropriately suspected” for “terrorism.”

    H.R. 2159 also allows Holder and his team of gun-grabbing henchmen to “withhold” any and all evidence from you or a court if Holder & co. “determine” that it might “compromise national security.”

    These are the same people who labeled small government advocates potential “domestic terrorists”! Who cares what they “determine”?!

    Even more ridiculous, H.R. 2159 says that the courts “must” rely on Eric Holder’s personally “redacted versions” or “summaries” of the “evidence” he supposedly has against you …

    … and he never has to release the evidence he claims to have!

    They could annul your Second Amendment rights and convict you in a court of “law” without a shred of actual evidence … legally!

    No, no no no and no, before you post a message how “hitlerian” is Mr Holder , I want tell you, hold on man. Mr Holder is not Hitler. Mr Holder is a Schumer/Feinstein/Boxer/Specter type boys-and-girls with a david-star on their foreheads… All communists are gun-grabbers. Stalin, lenin, kaganovits, Berija, Andropov, Ceausescu, Rothenfeld – they are all the same origin. They all read the Talmud and the Torah, with the steaming hatred for Christians (yes, goyim) and Christian (Western) civilization to install their own talmudian bloody regime. KEEP YOUR GUNS AMERICA!

    • Brian Rawls

      Lets say 1 million gun owners take to the streets. The American military cannot fight that kind of armed group. There would be no way for that to happen. If there were only 100,000 in each major city local police and National Guards could not handle such a number. If a fight like this should ever take place there would be mass chaos everywhere.

      • FarRightWinger

        Army will not be deployed bc they know: many US troops will NOT shoot on American citizens. Therefore, they have hundreds of thousands of foreign and UN troops secretrly stationing on US soil. And they will…
        Use any search engine with these words: death-camps-USA…

        • Brian Rawls

          That will make it easier for me. We can use holy sites to hide behind like the taliban. They can get whoever they please.

  • guiseppi sparacio

    I was completely amazed at the myriad of answers that appeared in respect to gun control. If you are a constituent of a Congress person who does not support the 2nd amendment or any other constitutional right, I would suggest you write to these people and then when the time comes, vote them out of office for failing you. I had to laugh about the dope head who suggested legalizing all illegal drugs, since that issue alone exacerbates most other criminal activity and tears families and homes apart. We repulse in horror about the college campus murderers by a deranged gunmen, but one drug dealer can indirectly kill hundreds and cause massive amounts of human misery. Many drug dealers get short jail sentences if any at all and many drug users are jailed without a strict lenghty rehab. This problem creates a revolving door for criminals to repeat and become career criminals. Human an financial cost is staggering. Too many people are part of the problem right now, although we have to be hopeful this trend will change and people will start getting it.

  • Buddy

    “FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS”: Quote from Mr. Charlton Heston, former President of NRA. I agreee 100%!
    Buddy

  • Marilyn

    I can only say that I am as Sylvia described herself, only I am 77 years old and have been around and handled firearms all of my life. I also lived through and was old enough to remember WW2 quite well!
    I had uncles and cousins who fought in WW2 through the European Theater right up to the gates of Berlin!
    All that I can say is that FarRightWinger is anything but right! He needs to get a pair of books written by Ian Kershan titled “Hitler” which contain the life of hitler from birth to death. Historians say it is the best
    researched and written book ever done on Hitler and the history of Germany for that time period! My memories coincide perfectly with what is in these books and from testimonies from not only family members who fought in the war but non-family members who fought and were stationed in Germany during and right after the War. Hitler was a Corporal in the German army in WW1 and was a self trained artist who nearly starved after WW1. His one attribute was that he was a brilliant public speaker and he had his reasons for wanting to “get even” with the world. Everyone should read the true story of not only the horrible concentration camps but of the medical experiments done on not only jews but handicapped people and German citizens who disagreed with his philosophy. He was anything but “normal” in his dealings with women, his cohorts, and the German nation. He was as full of irrational hate of Jews and all others who were not aryan as FarRightWinger seems to be! What a waste! To admire one of the worst human beings who ever trod the earth is a terrible waste!

  • Marilyn

    Sorry, I forgot one of the most important statistics from WW2! SIX(6) MILLION JEWS DIED IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS IN WW2! That number has been around in nearly all true documents
    since the end of the War! The common graves of hundreds of these people were found and many were so recent to the findings that the Germans did not even have time to cover them up. General Eisenhower ordered pictures to be taken and he DID have the German people who lived just short distances from the camps go through and see what had been done so that there would be no deniers that could not be refuted! There were other older mass graves as well which contained only skeletons of people. There was no identification as most of these people were gassed in showers which poured out fatal gas instead of water! There are actual pictures of all of this as well as testimonies from our soldiers as well as the German people themselves. The ones who had died just prior to being found could be identified by the numbers which were tattooed on their arms.

  • Mike-O

    Obama, Holder, Napolitano, Immanuel, ect,ect, hate this country and every thing it stands for. The Constitution is the most inherent flaw of the United States (according to what came out Obama’s own mouth) It has already been trashed. All of the argument’s about them trying to take away our rights mean very little because it’s all just another step towards having right minded people, old people, Christians, most blacks, and anybody that they can’t use to further their cause planted. Al Gore said that we need to reduce the world population by 4.5 billion by the year 2000. That would include most of the peo-ple on this earth. They didn’t get that done but they are making progress toward that goal. Obama is on a new campaign to try to look like he loves freedom and the US. Don’t fall for it. He is as slick as a fresh gob of snot on the sidewalk. Comrade Clinton did the same thing and most people took the bait. Will history repeat itself again in the next election? I wouldn’t be surprised. WAKE-UP! Your lives depend on it. Look closely and you can see the horns on his head. They try to keep them trimmed but they are there.

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