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Stopping NDAA

May 22, 2012 by  

Stopping NDAA
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Virginia recently became the first State to pass a law refusing compliance with or assistance to Federal agents carrying out detentions without due process against citizens of that State.

In 1850, when President Millard Fillmore signed the second Fugitive Slave Act, due process was under serious attack by the Federal government.

The law compelled people of all States to “assist” Federal marshals and their deputies with the apprehension of suspected runaway slaves. It brought all trials involving alleged fugitive slaves under Federal jurisdiction. It included large fines for anyone who aided a slave in his escape, even by simply giving him food or shelter.

On top of it, bounties were paid to commissioners in fugitive slave cases: $10 if a person was sent back to slavery and $5 if the person was allowed freedom. The Federal government was paying people to capture other people and send them to slavery.

The act also suspended habeas corpus and the right to a trial by jury for alleged “slaves,” and made their testimony inadmissible in court. On the other hand, the written testimony of the supposed slave master, which could be presented to the court by slave hunters, was given preferential treatment.

State Resistance

In response to the original Fugitive Slave Act of 1793, Northern States began to pass what were known as “personal-liberty laws.” After the second Fugitive Slave Act was enacted by Fillmore, these efforts intensified.

Vermont passed a Habeas Corpus Law, requiring State judicial and law enforcement officials to actually help capture fugitive slaves there. Massachusetts took a really strong stand and passed a law that allowed kidnapping charges for anyone trying to use these “indefinite detention” provisions of the Fugitive Slave Act.

No Federal agent was charged with kidnapping in Massachusetts, though. But that was only because no escapee was ever captured for return after the law was passed. The State response was working.

In fact, Northern States were so successful overall that when South Carolina seceded 10 years later, the people there named the attempts to bypass the Fugitive Slave Acts as one of their primary reasons for leaving the Union. Their publicly released “Declaration of Causes” states:

The States of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa, have enacted laws which either nullify the Fugitive Slave Acts or render useless any attempt to execute them…

NDAA: The Road Backward

In 1942, Franklin Delano Roosevelt signed an executive order that authorized the creation of military zones “from which any or all persons may be excluded.”

This led to the roundup of about 120,000 Japanese-Americans and Japanese citizens living here in California and along the West Coast. Without due process, they were relocated and sent to internment camps. Many more were classified as “enemy aliens” and subjected to increased restrictions.

Like the Fugitive Slave Acts and Japanese mass internment, the Federal government has again taken new powers never intended under the Constitution. Under sections 1021 and 1022 of the National Defense Authorization Act, the Feds again claim the power to classify people in such a way that they no longer have rights.

President Barack Obama and Congress have dropped the terms “fugitive slave” and “enemy alien.” Instead, they use “suspected terrorist” as a way to eliminate due process these days.

Resistance Today

Today, in the spirit of the 19th century Personal-Liberty Laws, States and communities around the country are taking action against NDAA detention powers. Virginia recently became the first State in the country to pass a law refusing compliance with or assistance to Federal agents carrying out detentions without due process against citizens of that State. A number of other States are working on the same.

But, it’s not just States. More than 10 communities are on board too. For example, in Fairfax, Calif., officials passed legislation that states the town will:

Instruct all our Town of Fairfax agencies to decline requests by federal agencies acting under detention powers granted by the NDAA that could infringe upon residents’ freedom of speech, religion, assembly, privacy, or rights to counsel.

Just The Beginning

When Northern States protected habeas corpus against Federal encroachments in the 19th century, they were doing their duty to protect liberty and the Constitution. Today, States and communities are doing the same.

They can and should serve as a powerful check on Federal power. In fact, the framers counted on it. It’s all about local actions. As Democrats and Republicans continue to work together in Washington to take away our rights, our communities must and will rise up to save them.

–Michael Boldin

Michael Boldin

is the founder and executive director of the Tenth Amendment Center. Michael has a full schedule working as senior editor of the Center's website, writes a regular column, fields media interviews, and travels the country (when invited, of course) to speak to crowds about sticking to the Constitution — every issue, every time, no exceptions, no excuses. [send him email]

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  • eddie47d

    It’s never easy to overturn any bill once passed yet as more Americans are aware of the devil in the details within NDAA they are coming together and protesting. The whole bill needs to be either thrown out or sections 1021-1022 and sec 1031 removed. Congress is continually unaware of what it is doing and how it affects our Constitutional laws and personal Liberties.

    • DaveH

      Congress knows very well what it’s doing. The Unconstitutionality of the NDAA was pointed out long before it passed.

      • TIME

        Hi Dave,

        I think the term your looking for is a “CRIMINAL ACTS” by the board of directors – also known to the American public as {CON-gress.}
        And just think thier approval rating is in the ( single numbers) and has been for how many years now?
        WOW – how strange yet they still display thier outright “HATE” for the American people, you know – all of us on the people farm!

        Just look at old Chuck Schumer’s statment he made just a few years ago:
        ” We can do anything we want to the American people,- they have no recorse.”
        That clearly displays that we have had a “CRIMINAL De Facto” form of Government for years – yet 98% of all Americans still are sleeping deeply at the wheel.

        How many times is it that old Chucky Cheese has been elected to the US Senate again?
        That by its self clearly displays just how mindless the Sheep really are in New York!
        Let alone how many other states have elected the same old worthless POS time after time?
        And he is just ONE of the 528 that voted for the NDAA!
        Thats out of 535, Now just Whats that say about our “CRIMINAL DE Facto form of Government” again?

        Peace and Love

      • Airangel

        I just read an Obama federal appointed judge as blocked one of the more controversial portions of the NDAA, U.S. District Judge Katherine Forrest of Manhattan, N.Y., ruled in favor of plaintiffs who ued the Obama administration over the bill’s unconstitutional arrest and detainment provisions, which provide no protection for American citizens.

        She quotes “The government was given a number of opportunities at the hearing and in its briefs to state unambiguously that the type of expressive and associational activities engaged in by plaintiffs — or others — are not within Section 1021,” said Judge Forrest. “It did not. This court therefore must credit the chilling impact on First Amendment rights as reasonable — and real.”

        Speaking on the details of how the case has proceeded thus far, Judge Forrest explained that Obama attorneys made absolutely no attempt to defend the administration against the allegations. They also made no attempt to claim that the ambiguous provisions were intended only for foreign suspects, which in and of itself points to sinister intentions with the bill.

        Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/035939_NDAA_Constitution_terrorism.html#ixzz1vbefM37Y

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        This is an example of the kinda Sh!t that they’re going to try and shove down our throats in the immediate future! They know that their window of opportunity is FAST closing and I wouldn’t put anything past these monsters in the near future, BE PREPARED! AMERICA, UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL!!!

      • BigBadJohn

        Correct.

        Two provisions of the original bill caused the most concern: Sections 1021 and 1022, added by Republicans, put forward harsh “counter-terrorism” measures.
        Section 1021 “affirms” that under the 2002 Authorization of the Use of Military Force, the president has the authority to order the military to detain without trial anyone suspected of colluding with terrorists – until the end of hostilities. However, others argued that the AUMF did not give the president this right, and that, further, the provision was unconstitutional. If this was the case, opponents argued, the NDAA would actually create and enshrine an unconstitutional violation of civil liberties.

        Democrats in the legislature were generally opposed to this expansive interpretation of the AUMF, and offered several amendments. The one that passed was a compromise: a proviso was added stating, basically, that whatever this section said, it did not change the current law. In essence, if the AUMF did grant these powers to the president, they were still granted; if it did not, the NDAA did not change these rules. Another amendment said that this section did not pertain to U.S. citizens.

        Section 1022 said that anyone detained under section 1021 must be held in military custody, but an amendment from Senator Diane Feinstein, D-Calif., modified the bill to say remove the military detention requirement – but not the option. Because Section 1021, as amended, could not apply to citizens, Section 1022 refers to non-citizens only. This “rigid, inflexible requirement” to non-citizens is what Obama’s Feb. 28 directive removed.

        The original designers of the NDAA sought to make the detention mandatory and outside the discretion of the president. However, during the Congressional battle over the bill, the restrictions on the executive were weakened, thus allowing Obama to issue the current directive.

        After the back-and-forth in Congress, a presidential threat to veto the whole bill, a public outcry from civil libertarians and the subsequent amendments to the final bill, Obama signed the NDAA into law Jan. 31.

        “The fact that I support this bill as a whole does not mean I agree with everything in it,” Obama said in a signing statement. A signing statement made by a president is not unimportant: it signals how the law will be interpreted and implemented by the executive agencies.

        Section 1021 “affirms” that under the 2002 Authorization of the Use of Military Force, the president has the authority to order the military to detain without trial anyone suspected of colluding with terrorists – until the end of hostilities. However, others argued that the AUMF did not give the president this right, and that, further, the provision was unconstitutional. If this was the case, opponents argued, the NDAA would actually create and enshrine an unconstitutional violation of civil liberties.

        Democrats in the legislature were generally opposed to this expansive interpretation of the AUMF, and offered several amendments. The one that passed was a compromise: a proviso was added stating, basically, that whatever this section said, it did not change the current law. In essence, if the AUMF did grant these powers to the president, they were still granted; if it did not, the NDAA did not change these rules. Another amendment said that this section did not pertain to U.S. citizens.

        Section 1022 said that anyone detained under section 1021 must be held in military custody, but an amendment from Senator Diane Feinstein, D-Calif., modified the bill to say remove the military detention requirement – but not the option. Because Section 1021, as amended, could not apply to citizens, Section 1022 refers to non-citizens only. This “rigid, inflexible requirement” to non-citizens is what Obama’s Feb. 28 directive removed.

        The original designers of the NDAA sought to make the detention mandatory and outside the discretion of the president. However, during the Congressional battle over the bill, the restrictions on the executive were weakened, thus allowing Obama to issue the current directive.

        After the back-and-forth in Congress, a presidential threat to veto the whole bill, a public outcry from civil libertarians and the subsequent amendments to the final bill, Obama signed the NDAA into law Jan. 31.

        “The fact that I support this bill as a whole does not mean I agree with everything in it,” Obama said in a signing statement. A signing statement made by a president is not unimportant: it signals how the law will be interpreted and implemented by the executive agencies.

        NDAA was approved with a VETO PROOF MAJORITY! Obama basically had to sign it, however he did issue a signing statement.

      • http://Aol JIm

        Congress needs to be replaced with new people ,presently they are a do nothig Congress ,Clean the house of Congress now !! America needes it’s represenativres to step up to the plate and do the right thing for America,Not the sitting President !!Act on this now !! Someone that is in the Know Help us with dorection and actions !!

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        Time, I like how you state the fact that we have board of directors called con-gress and how they feel they can do anything at least to some people. I don’t know if it’s got that bad that congress can do anything to everybody yet as the people still have a enough power to do something legally but that day when they can do anything they want to everybody is almost here.. Actually the president can be included in with tht criminal bunch.

      • independent thinker

        “Congress is continually unaware of what it is doing and how it affects our Constitutional laws and personal Liberties.

        “Congress knows very well what it’s doing.”

        DaveH in this case I believe you and eddie are both correct. Those writing the laws and those co-sponsering them are certainly aware of what they are doing. However, there is a certain contengent in congress that is more interested in where their next handout from a lobbiest or their next “piece” is comeing from than they are in what they are voting on. These for the most part are the ones who vote the “party line” without even reading what they vote on.

    • Viet Nam Vet 67-68

      Eddie, you are so wrong just this Friday the RepubliRATS along with the DemoRATS (New Communist Party voted on the Military Budget that also included the reaffirmation of all of those bills that took our 1st and 5th Amendment rights away and Obamin ation has given himself by Exective Order the power of a King, welcome to 1776, Taxaction without Representation. We need everyone to Blog and get rid of the entire Congress or at least the one’s up for re-election now and the rest next election. Romney is a bad selection and you who voted for Big Business, Big Spending Romney are Idiots he is more of the same and hasn’t signed the pledge to repeal Obamination Death Care like Ron Paul has, and he won’t get rid of the Federal Reserve our biggest enemy beside the Obamination Illegal Kenyan Born Sunni Muslim Communist Half Breed NOT BLACK for you Morons who voted for the first Half Black Half Breed. Romney will maybe balance thw budget in 7 years but during that time he will add another $6.2 Trillion to our National Debt but Ron Paul will cut $1 Trillion out of Obaminations 2013 Budget and balance the budget in 3 Years. Romney and his big business buddies will give Amnesty to 40 Million Illegal’s for cheap Labor and fewer or no Benefits. They will lower our standard of Living our wages and our way of life and you will remain unemployed and lose everything while they get richer. Ron Paul is a Constitutional American who will not let this happen and you people out there better wake up. Because if Romney or Obamination win we lose.

      • FreedomFighter

        TSA Working Houston Metro Rail as Obama’s SS Unit

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXeOuQvO8Yg&feature=uploademail

        “TSA agents working the Metro rail in Houston as Obama’s Gestapo agency moves from sexually molesting passengers in America’s airports to imposing its police state on other modes of transportation.”

        Obamas Brownshirts — just like Hitler, Obama makes his personal army and turns it on the American People.

        Laus Deo
        SEMper Fi

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        VNV, I HEAR YA, I think!

      • http://Aol JIm

        IF THE BLIND LEAD THE BLIND ,THEY BOTH FALLINTO A DITCH ,! YOU ARE A DECIVER OF THE PEOPLE ,WE NEED ROMNEY RIGHT NOW !! AWAY WITH YOUR LINGO NOW !!! VOTE RHOMNEY FOR PRESIDENT !!A++++++ NO MORE DOG MEAT PRESIDENT !! Back to Keyna wher you came from !!! Obama is destroying America !! RECALL OBAMA NOW !!! KEEP HIM OFF THE BALLOTS ,AND NO SPAIN BALLOT COUNT !!

      • Doc

        Viet Nam Vet 66 – 67… Funny but it was like reading my own posts on FB. Almost word for word. It seems to me we’re drawing very close to a civil war, the likes of which will be worse then the original…All waiting for the outcome of the elections, with Obama planning on imposing martial law, and keeping his Usurper status indefinitely. And if anyone wonders why he’s trying to outlaw the M1 Garands, look up the history of that magnificent rifle… Actually Obama is trying to take away every human right we have, and is taking 10 billion dollars a year from our taxes to send to the sunni Muslims in Afghanistan. All this without a Senate or house vote. He truly believes hi is King, and I don’t mean Martin Luther… He is trying to win everything on the 1/2 black side of him, and nothing on the 1/2 white side of him.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

        GOOD LOOKIN’ OUT FF!!! And ditto houstonfreethinkers.com, GOOD JOB GUYS! This is a copy of a letter I recieved from a political action group dated 11/19/11;

        Everyone’s “favorite” bureaucracy is growing up. Today marks 10 years since the TSA’s creation. And if I could make a birthday wish on their behalf… it would be that this is the last holiday season we have to put up with their poking, groping, and scanning. In what should be “the most wonderful time of the year,” the path home for many Americans begins with a long wait at the airport – and dealing with people who think a government ID gives them the right to put their hands where they don’t belong. Remember the joyous, exciting holiday travel of yesteryear? “Over the river and through the woods…” Well, no one will be writing Christmas carols about modern holiday travel – though we may hear some blues about how miserable the experience can be.
        Since its inception, perhaps no other agency has been more flagrant in its violations of our civil liberties and as flippant toward Americans’ constitutionally protected rights as the TSA. As you may remember, in March of 2009, a C4L staffer found himself temporarily detained and interrogated by the TSA after attempting to fly back after our first Regional Conference with the event’s proceeds in his carry-on. It’s not illegal to fly with cash and checks on domestic flights, but these agents made it their business – something the TSA does far too often to too many people. Since that time, the situation has only gotten worse. For the past year, the TSA has been installing potentially dangerous backscatter imaging machines across the country to perform virtual strip searches on airline passengers. This leaves passengers the “option” of either being scanned and possibly exposed to dangerous radiation or enduring the very public humiliation of receiving one of their infamous “pat-downs.” When the policy was first implemented, Senator Claire McCaskill downplayed the invasive groping that makes up one of the TSA’s “enhanced pat-downs,” referring to them as “love pats.” The senator apparently no longer feels that way (after selling her private jet), and she recently complained about their invasiveness to TSA Administrator John Pistole. “I try to avoid a pat-down at all costs,” McCaskill told Pistole. “There are many times women put their hands on me in a way that if it was your daughter or your sister or your wife, you would be upset.” And as people continue to make their mistreatment and abuse at the TSA’s hands public by sharing their stories online, more members of Congress are beginning to take notice. Others, unfortunately, still don’t see the bigger picture. Without immediately reining in the unaccountable TSA and eliminating their procedures of scanning and groping passengers at the airports, I’m afraid the situation will only continue to get worse. In the past, we’ve warned about the TSA’s plans to expand its scanning beyond our nation’s airports – to our highways, train stations, and bus stops. Unfortunately, this is already happening. Last month in Tennessee, the TSA’s VIPR teams were deployed to conduct random searches of vehicles on the highways. This has to stop. And you and I are the ones who can fight back.
        Members of Congress may think this issue has blown over, but it’s up to Campaign for Liberty to remind them that we’re more outraged than ever at what’s taking place every day in our airports. Please, as soon as you can on Monday, call Congress at 202-224-3121 and demand they rein in their Frankenstein creation. Don’t let them sell you a bill of goods, either. They can force the TSA to abandon their policies of scanning passengers (in what amounts to a virtual strip search) or groping them (in a manner that would constitute sexual assault were it coming from a regular individual). Ultimately, Congress should abolish the TSA altogether and return the responsibility for security to the private sector. Just like other federal government overreaches, the TSA believes telling us this is necessary for “our safety” allows it to do whatever it wants, including shredding our Fourth Amendment rights. We must expose this lie, and I hope we’ll have your help to do so.
        The responsibility for airline security lies with the airline industry in the first place. Since 9/11, only alert passengers and flight crews have thwarted additional terrorist attacks on airplanes, not the TSA! Tell Congress to pass appropriate, common-sense legislation like H.R. 2438, the “American Traveler Dignity Act,” and to cut off funding for the maintenance of existing scanners and implementation of new ones. Even the European Union has banned the use of these scanners because of the possible health risks! So please, reach out to Congress as soon as you can on Monday at 202-224-3121 and urge them to rein in the TSA by outlawing their scanning and groping.

        In Liberty,
        Matt Hawes
        Vice President

        P.S. The TSA turns 10 years old today, and we can only hope this is the last travel season we’ll have to put up with their unconstitutional power grabs. Call Congress on Monday at 202-224-3121 to demand they rein in the TSA by outlawing the scanning and groping of Americans.

      • A Little Bit of Reality

        “get rid of the entire Congress or at least the one’s up for re-election now and the rest next election.”..

        I started to agree with you then I read the last half.. Remember 2010? The people bumped many and replaced them with ‘new meat’.. Well within a short period of time these others began to emulate the bums we got rid of and we found ourselves in the same mud hole.. We blamed treachery on the matter but I submit that it was the ho-ho’s we left in place.. remember when you got your first job (and anytime you sought other employment there after).. The vets seemed intimidating.. Where a few would walk you through your responsibilities, the majority would tell you how it is (how they wanted it) and that you follow (their) laws. This is what’s happening to the newby’s.. They go into their new job with hope and direction but too soon are told this is what you do else we will make you invisible. What we need to do is vote those that are up for re-election out and kick the rest of the idiots out with them that shows a record not in tune with the constitution or the voter then tell all the newbies that they have a limited reign, that re-election will be rare and if they want to enjoy more than one term that they will have to deserve the privilege otherwise it’s one term and your out with no pension except for 401k that they invest their own money in just like the rest of us. I short, the bad apples we leave in soon rots the new batch that are tossed within.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          A Little Bit of Reality, while it seems that people, who make up the system, are a problem, it’s the system itself that has broken down and any who join it end up being corrupted. The system needs a complete overhaul which would return it to it’s original function. My opinion.

    • James Hay

      Members Of Congress Are Fully Aware Of Their Unconstitutional Acts As Well As All Of Such Unconstitutional Acts Of Obama And His Evil Regime Don’t Be Delusional About What Are The Cold Hard Facts Of Their Intentional Quest To Destroy This Country. They Are Clearly Sworn Enemies Of This Country And Enemies Of The American People Both Collectively As Well As Individually.

      • Vicki

        They knew or reasonably should have known. Let’s pass the “Read the Bills” Act so they HAVE to know. https://secure.downsizedc.org/etp/rtba/

      • JeffH

        Vicki, love that you’re also a participant of DownsizeDC.org, a wonderfull tool and organization.

        VICTORY: You Win in Court Again!
        We(DownsizeDC)just won a big verdict in the Chris Hedges case against the legalized kidnapping provisions of the 2011 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA).
        http://www.downsizedc.org/blog/victory-you-win-in-court-again

      • vicki

        Thanks. I was a member of DownsizeDC even before I came upon this website. I try to go there daily and choose 1 or more things to swat my liberal representatives about :)

    • http://wildbronco26.wordpress.com wildbronco26

      A Federal Judge in the State of New York has issued a ruling that in short has declared that Sections 1021 and 1022 violate the First Amendment Freedom of Speech Clause and the Freedom of Association Clause. Should the Appeals Court uphold this decision, than I have no doubt that it will eventually end up in the Supreme Court. The current Administration will without a doubt fight tooth and nail to keep those two Sections as they are. Therefore be prepared for a very long and drawn out battle in the coming months.

      • terris

        Since the currrent Administration didn’t even show up in court to defend this, what facts lead you to believe that they will fig ht for it in the future?

      • http://www.facebook.com/david.a.deal David A Deal

        A previous writer noted the same NY ruling as you and noted that the Obama administration’s lawyers made NO attempt to defend it allowing the judge to easily make her ruling. Sounds like contrary to the Obama hater’s beliefs on here that perhaps he wanted it overruled

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003309707389 Tom W.

      DUHHH!!! Ya think?!!

    • eddie47d

      Eddie is not wrong. Congress passes many feel good measures without thinking of the consequences. Their first thought was in protecting America without the bigger concern of eroding rights that shouldn’t be taken away. I would say I’m way ahead of Nam 67′s rabid rant. He delegates through anger and the use of the poison pen. Debating with some of you is like talking to an angry gang leader who doesn’t get his way he feels he has to pop someone off.

    • restorefreedom

      When does congress consider the constitution for any of their decisions? Bet it’s way down the list if at all.

    • hawkeye10

      Everything that the usurper in chief sponsors and passes as bills for America, needs to be thrown in the round file. That includes NDAA, The “Obamacare” Health Bill (which should at this point be changed to the “Obama-Don’t-Care Death Bill), CISPA, and anything else he has set out to do to further his Muslim-Sharia Agenda and to force this on Americans. This is a great article, and it’s great to see states and the people standing up against this abuse of power against us. Lord Bless all these good people and their families forever.

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        hawkeye10, if the Obama care monstrosity should make it into the law of this land and when things go horribly wrong, which will happen, the progressive people will find a way to blame this piece of evil on conservative people.

  • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

    so a state can vote to make these laws null and void within it’s own borders?

    • wandamurline

      Yes…the states can nullify any law they feel is unconstitutional …Obamacare, this law and any other. You see, the states have the upper hand….the federal government has limited powers and all others are reserved to the states. The feds are overstepping their authorities and need to be reigned in.

      • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

        So what is this crap about feds trump state and local?

      • TIME

        Dear Wanda,

        Your 100% totaly wrong, in fact the FEDS have the last and only word on anything with all States rights.

        The states are no longer Free from the FEDS, as well they have not been since 1878.
        Once any states not onlu joins the UNION or take money from the FEDS or allow elections / as in have members on the board of directors also known as CON – gress, they are no longer a FREE state that was all written within the “RE – CON Struction Acts”.

        Thats the hard cold facts of the contract with the United States Inc, made in the City State of DC – way back in 1800′s that all states who are member’s of the Corporation known as the United States Inc. have to follow.

        What most of you all think is the LAW of the land is not quite the way it really is, so until YOU all wake up and STOP feeding the Blood sucking Vampires its only going to get worse.
        Again- The “Oman” is just a symptom, not the cause, the cause is the Ignorance of the American people about what was done to them over 150 year’s ago.

        Peace and Love

      • dcjdavis

        The only thing you have said here that still holds true is that the feds need to be reined in. States have no power, though they may sometimes appear to if they make choices that those above happen to like.

      • James Andrews

        They are WAY out of control! Americans need to WKE UP, and fast!

      • Vicki

        Federal law trumps state and local law ONLY where it is within the exclusive powers granted to it by the Constitution. NOTE that only some of the powers are exclusive to the Federal Government.

      • Winddrinker

        wanda says, “…the States can nulify any Federal law they feel is unconstitutional.”

        Tell that to Lincoln…er, I mean bho (a big admirer of Lincoln.)

        When States do not abide by bho’s instructions he just sues them and/or tries to divide the country against them! And,since the Constitution has been thrown in the dumpster by this regime, how far away is Civil War..

    • Robert Smith

      So, a state can make a recreational drug legal, like pot, and the feds can’t step in?

      So, a state can make assisted suicide legal and the feds can’t step in?

      So, a state can make abortion legal (as was done before Roe v. Wade) and the feds can’t step in?

      Rob

      • DaveH

        It depends on whether or not the Federal Government is obeying the Main Law of the Land — The Constitution.
        The Federal Government was given no power under the Constitution to regulate Drug usage. But what’s new? They just do as they damn well please unless we do something to stop them from that.

      • Jonathan

        Yes. Any law passed by the Federal Government that is outside those powers granted to the Federal Government by the Constitution or are a blatant misuse/abuse of those powers may be nullified by state or local law. As the Executive branch checks and balances the Legislative and Judicial branches and vice versa, the states, the localities, and the individual citizenry checks and balances the Federal Government.

      • dave

        hey robert smith, I agree , i am sick and tired of this war on drugs, i can really see it has worked, wow, lets see, how much carnage has this government left behind because of this perceived evil. Sorry, i think i’ll make the decision to light up myself. I don’t even have any stats to give anybody because of this stupidity.

      • vicki

        Robert Smith says:
        ————————–
        So, a state can make a recreational drug legal, like pot, and the feds can’t step in?
        ————————–
        The federal government has no power to make drugs illegal.

        ————————–
        So, a state can make assisted suicide legal and the feds can’t step in?
        ————————–
        The federal government has no power to control suicide.

        ————————–
        So, a state can make abortion legal (as was done before Roe v. Wade) and the feds can’t step in?
        ————————–

        The federal government has no power to control murder.

        So yes you are beginning to understand.

        Go read the Constitution again. In particular the enumerated powers section.

    • DaveH

      More on Nullification:
      http://mises.org/daily/4811

      • DaveH
      • nc

        DaveH, should the states be allowed to re-instate slavery? Should the states be able to allow the unrestricted traffic of opiates on all highways within it’s states? Should the states be allowed to distribute any and all drugs to its’ children?

      • Michael J.

        nc naively asks in a last ditch effort to be critical,

        “DaveH, should the states be allowed to re-instate slavery? Should the states be able to allow the unrestricted traffic of opiates on all highways within it’s states? Should the states be allowed to distribute any and all drugs to its’ children?”

        I think it’s safe to say that none of the above mentioned items are on anyones wish list horizon.

        nc = no clue

      • TIME

        Dear nc,

        No in fact the { 13th Amendment from 1863 } in fact did that already.
        But you have to understand the TRUE ramifications of it to really understand that fact.
        Perhaps you may care to explore the true meaning of the 1863 Amendment 13th Amendment.

        Slave labor = Prisons. Yet Americans will support that form of a Slave State.
        How very strange when the NDAA just made that pool of possible SLAVES the “total population of America.” Yes that means even YOU!

        Perhaps the real question here should be what ever happened to the Original -13th Amendment that was penned in 1812, that BTW -was radified in 1819?

        Peace and Love

      • eddie47d

        That’s the ugly side effects of NDAA where our already bulging prison population could legally grow and without much recourse. Fight those looming problems now or deal with them later.

      • DaveH

        NC asks — “DaveH, should the states be allowed to re-instate slavery?”.
        What do you mean re-instate, NC? We are all slaves now, Black or White. Slaves to thieving Liberals like yourself who think voting for somebody else to do their theft makes it okay.
        NC asks — “Should the states be able to allow the unrestricted traffic of opiates on all highways within it’s states?”.
        Actually, YES. It is not Government’s business to decide who puts what poisons in their body. And there are far greater threats to peoples’ lives than currently illegal drugs. Read this, NC, and smarten up (if that’s even possible):
        http://library.mises.org/books/Mark%20Thornton/Economics%20of%20Prohibition.pdf
        NC asks — “Should the states be allowed to distribute any and all drugs to its’ children?”.
        The states have children now, NC?

        And all of your questions are non sequiturs, NC, which have nothing to do with the Constitutional Powers of the Federal Government. Also, any thinking person would know that if the States were capable of misbehaving against their citizens, then the Federal Government would be even more likely to misbehave against its citizens, since it’s a lot further away from the people who it supposedly represents.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        The authorities granted the Federal Government where limited to the specific few enumerated in the Constitution, moreover the Bill of Rights specified additional limits on top of those, in order to protect the General Liberty of the People. In Judicial action, the power was also limited to Common Law of the time of adoption, and the philosophic and theosophic principles of Natural Law.

        The bulk of day to day governance was left to the States and the People.

        However modern case law on top of hyper-ornate legislative and bureaucratic rulings has replaced in practice all references to the the old Common Law in our Courts, and Natural Law has been ignored and voided by an aggressive atheistic secularism.

        Our Federal Legislature no longer holds itself to any bounds — it allows itself to rule on any issue in any way, and in parallel the Executive has gone rogue and unrestrained in
        the issuance of executive orders, petty and invasive regulation and in the assertion of treaty powers way beyond any possible authority originally granted.

    • http://herbert brenda

      Ststes rights

      • Oneguess

        What?

      • vicki

        States have no rights. Only powers delegated to the states by the people and not prohibited to the states by the Constitution. Read Amendment 10.

        PEOPLE have rights AND powers. Read Amendments 9 and 10.

        There are some powers that the people are SPECIFICALLY FORBIDDEN to delegate to government. Read Amendments 1-10.

  • wandamurline

    The enemy of the state is not its citizens, it is the government. I am personally delivering a copy of the Declaration of Independence, Constitution and Bill of Rights to my representative and senator with hilighted portions so they can get right to the info along with a letter of instruction that they need to read as they are not keeping their oath of office to uphold the Constitution and in so doing, if they continue to not keep their oath of office, they should resign from their position. TSA is another form of tyranny that needs to be terminated. This is not China or Russia….this is America.

    • Robert Smith

      “This is not China or Russia”

      Correct! China has made it a policy to NOT have as many kids.

      In America the policy seems to be swinging to MORE pregnancies (by denying birth control and abortion).

      When the government starts to force women into using their reproductive systems as the government sees fit it’s BAD no matter which way the government wants it.

      Rob

      • DaveH

        Robert,
        You left out encouraging kids to have sex by passing out condoms and birth control pills. Last I checked, that habit often results in pregnancy.

      • http://www.ifonlyphotos.com Alex Frazier

        Correction Robert. No one is permitting or denying birth control. They are only debating whether or not I should have to contribute financially to the sexual habits of some woman ten states away, even if I don’t believe in the use of birth control myself (which I do, by the way).

        I know you’re a full-blooded libtard, but please present your grievances via facts instead of hyped up opinion.

      • Patriotic nut

        Robert, it sounds as if you wish our government to make policy regarding child birth. That in and of itself is the problem. The federal government has no business whatsoever being involved in the conception of, the raising of, or the abortion of any children. We as U.S. citizens have the rights granted us to make those choices for ourselves. Just as we have the right to not be detained indefinitely without actually being tried or convicted of a crime. All 57 of Mr. Obama’s states should make nullification laws as to the NDAA and many other of the unconstitutional laws and regulations spewed from the cesspool in DC. Also, as to your comment about the U.S. swing of policy to denying birth control and abortion, the first is totally false and the second should be the case. Personal responsibility should be the norm instead of allowing the murder of children simply because we have lost our moral compass and allowed abortion to become after the fact birth control.

      • DavidO

        Robert, your argument lacks merit unless government agents kidnapped women of child bearing years and raped them or forcefully inseminated them artificially then forced them to carry any resulting babies to term.

        Most high school and even some middle school nurses have condoms available to any student with no questions asked. Only a fool believes that condoms are 100% effective, yet by supplying free condoms is the state not encouraging school students to engage in sexual activities?

        If a female of child bearing age doesn’t wish to become impregnated they shouldn’t be having sex. In the same way, if someone doesn’t want to contract a STD, they shouldn’t have sex except in a monogamous relationship with one partner. It isn’t rocket science.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003001185551 Sandy Daniels

        how about teaching plain old personal responsibility and basic morality? You liberals all seem to hate the word ‘morals”

      • eddie47d

        Now that is a good one:Condoms equal pregnancy! That must be an argument just to be arguing. The same thing as saying the the State can’t authorize abortions yet so many want the State to ban abortions. I hate to inform you but the State would be involved either way.

      • Dennis48e

        rs also left out the little fact that China FORCES abortion on its citizens to achieve its population goals it is not voluntary.

      • Karolyn

        OMG, Dave. “Passing out condoms and birth control pills” does not encourage kids to have sex! That lame argument is what is keeping a Teen Pregnancy Campaign out of one county’s high school here, nevermind that the rampant sexual escapades of students, teachers and janitors and the hgh number of teen pregnancies is common knowledge. All ya gotta do is mention that dirty three-letter word, and the barrers go up, as if talking about it will make more kids do it. (Just like talking about homosexuality will “turn” kids gay! What a laugh!

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          Karolyn, it’s not the saying of a thing that leads to immoral behavior rather it’s the doing of a thing that children mimic the most. Kids know that their parents are hypocrites. Look at the divorce rate and the fact that children learn to do this from the very beginning and add to that a sexually promiscuous MSM that knows no bounds when it comes to indecency. Kids mimic what they see. You can’t teach moral values from an amoral position. Be good kids us a condom or birth control pills and when that doesn’t work just get an abortion is the attitude that children see today. It is interesting that you admit that there is a promiscuity problem but deny it’s cause.

      • Oneguess

        Is there anything right in the USA that is not connected to Obamao his ilk? It appears from your posts that there is not. Moron.

      • vicki

        eddie47d says:
        ————————————————–
        Now that is a good one:Condoms equal pregnancy! That must be an argument just to be arguing. The same thing as saying the the State can’t authorize abortions yet so many want the State to ban abortions. I hate to inform you but the State would be involved either way.
        ————————————————–

        Since abortion is murder and states have a duty to protect the rights of the people (including that most important right. The right to LIFE itself) then it follows logically that the states MUST be involved in banning murder.

        Interesting side note to something I said to Robert Smith earlier in this thread. If a state is failing to defend it’s citizens against murderers it seems reasonable that the federal government should get involved. Not to have its own murder law but in its duty to force the states to protect the citizens.

        One of the reasons that the Obama lawsuit against Arizona is so ugly. Obama is telling Arizona that only the federal government is allowed to defend it’s citizens and of course then the federal government doesn’t bother to do so.

      • michaeljbeglinjr

        If the government quit paying women to have children, we would be amazed at how quickly the birth rate would decline. Too many women are having children just to get a check and a food stamp increase.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          michaeljbeglinjr, your statement about too many women having children to get food stamps and other government give aways is true…one woman doing that is one too many. As to the population thing? There will not be much further population growth in this country as the birth rate has dropped to 2.11 offspring per child bearing woman. Below that point and a population goes into decline. The only way our population can grow now is through immigration, both legal and illegal.

          • JOSEPH FOSTER

            Have no worries the US population will increase mostly by illegal. US employers love illegals s since they work for low wages, the poverty level in Latin America countries will drive these illegals North and they will enter the US through Mexico where US border patrol use one eye to watch for illegal crossing, the other eye is shut so as to allow these folks to cross. Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            JOSEPH FOSTER, there’s probably a study that shows this and if there is I’m not familiar with it but, I’d be willing to bet that the birth rate for native US citizens falls much lower than the 2.11 level needed to maintain population and that this 2.11 figure is due to immigrants both legal and mostly illegal as you pointed out.

    • http://hbledbetter@gmail.com Henry Ledbetter

      Great information. The CONSTITUTION along with a healthy FEAR OF GOD would go a long way in restoring the REPUBLIC. “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge but fools despise the wisdom and instruction of God.”

      • DaveH

        Many God-fearing people justify the taking of Freedom with their religious beliefs. Religion is certainly no sure pathway to Freedom.

      • DavidO

        Amen Brother! Well said.

      • Winddrinker

        DaveH says, “Religion is no sure pathway to freedom.”

        No country can enjoy freedom unless its people are moral and willingly make and follow laws that are just! If Americans were to practice and embrace their Christianity and follow the Laws of God, rather than the laws of dictators…. our freedom would not be in danger..

      • Michael J.

        DaveH. says,
        “Many God-fearing people justify the taking of Freedom with their religious beliefs. Religion is certainly no sure pathway to Freedom.”

        Though there is one trouble maker in every crowd and some times several, I think that benevolent, spiritually minded idividuals are beneficial to the survival of our republic. Otherwise, religion would not be the number one target of the progressives. Karl Marx saw religion as the ‘glue’ that holds together capitalistic society.

      • eddie47d

        Religion can be the glue to hold communities together and quite often they do set moral boundaries. Religion can also enslave people and force them to accept their doctrine. Which takes away someones else free will or ability to think as a free individual. Some in the religious realm support the death penalty,torture,wars in the name of God,segregation and even misuse the rights of women. A woman should be faithful to her husband but as an equal partner not some dominated subservient. Religion can and does create division within a society yet can also be a unifier. I look at Billy Graham as a unifier but his son Franklin as a divisive figure on some issues. i guess it takes all kinds to make or break the world.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          eddie47d, how many religious organizations have you infiltrated? You seem to support the “Progressive” religion? Does your rhetoric cover all religions or just the ones that you don’t belong to? Yes, many religious organizations support a death penalty. Do you know any better way than death to prevent a person from committing their evil acts again? Torture? I don’t know of any mainstream organized religion that condones such actions. Wars in the name of God? How about Mao, Hitler, Stalin and a host of other human gods that were responsible for the deaths of hundreds of millions of people many of whom were eliminated to purge their societies of undesirable religious elements?

          But, after having said all of this I have to agree with some of your points. People who didn’t accept Catholic dogma were executed as heretics, often preceded by great torture, all in the name of the Holy Roman Catholic (universal) Church. This is past history though. Welcome to the new state sanctioned world religion of the OWG.

      • Whit

        What God are you speaking of? The Christian god or Muslim god, Allah, or a Hindu god?

        This is where the religious aspect goes awry. If one god is preferred over another, you’ll always have conflict.

      • DaveH

        Michael and Wind,
        Religion has as much to do with the trampling of Freedom as it does with the promotion of Freedom. While I embrace most of the religious morality, the fact is that men created those rules of morality then, and they can create them now — with or without the aid of religion.
        And there is not a shadow of a doubt in my mind that I practice the rules of morality much more rigorously than almost any religious people I have ever known. Take, for instance, those religious Liberals who embrace the taking of other peoples’ money using the Government as their proxy. Or those religious neo-conservatives who embrace the taking of other peoples’ lives in foreign countries, where we have no business being in the first place, again using the Government as their proxy.

      • Winddrinker

        DaveH says that “Religion has as much to do with trampling freedom as it does promoting it.”

        As a Christian, Dave, I disagree. Gods laws do NOT trample on freedom, unless you want freedom to lie, cheat, steal and break other commandmants. That is where it is important that people be of a moral character according to Gods laws. But, if “breaking commandmants” is your idea of freedom then your statement would be correct.

        Another poster couldn’t decide which religion we were talking about…. First Islam is not a religion, it is a theocracy! Secondly and most important…This is a Christian Nation, that was founded on the Laws of God and the Ten Commandmants. The Ten Commandmants are on the walls in our Courts…guess why….our laws are based on Christianity and its teachings. Our founders were mostly men of God and our First President “Dedicated this country to God” the day he was sworn in. It was a very religious day and it ended in a Chapel with Christians praying for God’s protection of this country!

        So, if anyone is confused if this country should follow the laws of Budda or any other “Gods,” I hope that clears it up for you!!

      • jim

        Everybody knows this world is about to fall . All you have todo is look around you and read some of these posts . Everybody is taking GOD out of everything whitch is a bad thing what has GOD ever done wrong to you . YOU YA YOU should praise him more and maybe just maybe you might make to Heaven and won’t have to worry about this world any more . Because if you didn’t know GOD always has the last word!!!!!!

  • T. Jefferson

    Violates more Constitutional Amendments than any other law Obummer has signed.

  • MAP

    Jefferson and others of the states rights party believed controls should run from the bottom up. Only the local communities can know their own needs. This was the reasoning behind the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions. They recognized that top down controls are by their very nature tyrannical. ‘One size fits all’ never fits all. Hence, the need to bludgeon the communities into what the centralizers think should be the norm. Blanket reforms become only blanket oppressions. Social engineering and concentration of massive corruption at the top has transformed our country into a tyranny the very opposite that intended by the founders. It is past time the lower stratus reassert their powers and controls over the leviathan and return to local liberty.

    • DaveH

      Yep. But first people need to recognize Big Central Government for what it is — a deliberate effort on the part of Leaders to gain more Power with less oversight from the people they claim to care for.

      • michaeljbeglinjr

        You and MAP have hit the nail right on the head. Our government imposes tyranny on all of us in the name of freedom and equality. We have the most two-faced government in the world. Our President talks about our freedoms, while he takes them away one by one. Our corrupt Congress helps him out, in order to keep their lobbyist money coming in.

        It is time that the people of America realize that the mess we are in is our fault. We have let the corruption grow, while most of us don’t even care. We have failed to live up to our part of the bargain. We were supposed to keep our government honest, but were too lazy to do so.

        • JOSEPH FOSTER

          Well said, the people are too busy watching garbage on TV and football, many show no interest in politics and never vote. We no longer have a Government by and for the people, it is now a Government for special interest, that interest by money control the Government and most of our politicians serve their needs.
          Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

    • nc

      Map, do you see no difference between the problems and life styles of a nation of several million (?) in the time of Jefferson and a nation of 300 plus million today that would require a “re-thinking” of the positions held by our forefathers?? Ever wonder where the term “moss backs” for conservatives came from?? We are a bigger country with bigger problems that 18th century philosphy and solutions don’t solve!

      • MAP

        NC, I believe you to be 100% wrong. Our problems can be almost all be traced to the top. The small community I live in lives under a tyranny from a place almost 1000 miles away. They have no idea what takes place here, nor, probably, do they care. So for what practical purpose are they dictating what we can and can not do on such a massive scale? Think about it: If a special interest could pass a bill requiring that each citizen send them $1 (hardly pocket change this day and time), they would amass more than $300 million! Thank about that when considering the laws coming out of the general government. The Federal Government is nothing more than concentrated corruption when it is not displaying total incompetence.

      • Alan

        So say the “nay” sayers – nc. Freedom hasn’t failed the people, the people have failed their resposibility to remain free. You get the Government you deserve. If you aren’t willing to step out in faith and believe in yourself, then you deserve a dictator. Our problems are only as big as a “Big” Government wants us to believe the problems are. Therefore, I’ll defend my liberties you keep your false sense of security provided by a failing concept of dependency on an out-of-control Government!

      • Michael J.

        nc says,
        “Map, do you see no difference between the problems and life styles of a nation of several million (?) in the time of Jefferson and a nation of 300 plus million today that would require a “re-thinking” of the positions held by our forefathers?? Ever wonder where the term “moss backs” for conservatives came from?? We are a bigger country with bigger problems that 18th century philosphy and solutions don’t solve!”

        So you have doubts about an 18th century group of the most learned individuals of there time, who were together possessed of the wisdom of the ages and the thoroughness of conjoined thinking, who were able to produce an unprecedented durable document the likes of which the world had never before seen?

        Yet you and your tribe of brainwashed buffoons still march to the beat of a 19th century failed philosopher whose plans for the world wide spread of communism was such an abysmal failure at the end of the first world war that it had to be completely revamped in the 1920′s by a group of Marxist disciples in the Frankfurt School, Germany.

        Don’t worry that you may not be privy to some of these facts. Successful indoctrination is measured in the victim’s unawareness.

      • DaveH

        In 1900 Government consumed 3% of the US GDP. The population was about 76 million people.
        Currently Government consumes over 40% of the US GDP. The current population is about 310 million people.
        Note that by using a percentage of GDP, population size is irrelevant, but for those who just can’t grasp that fact — still our population is only 4 times larger than in 1900, but our Government is 13 times larger.
        Freedom has nothing to do with population size. For evidence of that, check out Hong Kong, the most economically free place on this earth, whose population density is 3 times the population density of our most densely populated state.

    • eddie47d

      I love when someone says someone else is 100% wrong as MAP did. NC wasn’t wrong so that makes MAP very foolish for few if any person is 100% wrong. Even our Founding Fathers debated several versions of our Constitutional documents and not every delegates idea came to fruition. They compromised even though that other delegates opinion may or may not have been correct. There may have been ideas back then that were even better but lost out. Compared to what they endured under British rule they advocated for massive change and knew the world had to evolve. It’s always wise to go back to our Founding Fathers but even they took this country forward into new territory.

      • MAP

        What, exactly, is your problem eddie? I said ‘I believe’ he is 100% wrong and I still do. Your keen insight and rabid rant changed nothing. Nc, like yourself, is a communist loon, trying to make something work that has never once worked on the entire face of the earth, in the entire history of the world. Forgive me if I try to remain in reality.

      • DaveH

        I don’t think Eddie is a communist, unless the new definition of communist is “just plain stupid”.

      • JeffH

        :) …not gonna say another word… :)

      • Average Joe

        Dang, everybody’s pickin’ on eddie…shame on us…we all know that he’s as sharp as any bowling ball out there.

        Thanx for your opinion eddie…it’s been
        Duly noted
        Duly filed….and
        Duly flushed.

      • eddie47d

        “Thanks”Joe!

  • Galen

    Can anyone understand what is going on here? the OBAMANATION of DESOLATION and congress is moving on the ESOTERIC AGENDA. AGENDA 21. DOES ANYONE UNDERSTAND THAT IN 2035 THERE IS AN ASTEROID COMING TO HIT THE EARTH? ALL OF THIS IS PETTY STUFF COMPARED TO THAT!!!

  • Galen

    I AM TELLING YOU THE GOVERNMENT IS NOW OUR ENEMY. TOO MUCH POWER THAT OUR FOREFATHERS WARNED AGAINST!! BUT WE DON’T LEARN FROM HISTORY. WE ARE COMPLACENT. IT IS CALLED NORMALCY BIAS. IF IT HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE, IT WON’T HAPPEN. PROBABILITY 1 ALWAYS OCCURS. PUT 1 BULLET IN A SIX SHOOTER, SPIN THE CHAMBER, PULL THE TRIGGER, IF IT DOESN’T FIRE, SPIN THE CYLINDER AGAIN, EVENTUALLY IT WILL FIRE!!!

  • roger gunderson

    The way I see it,the only way the Federal gov. can have full control is if one person and followers can hold and stay in power such as Cuba, china etc. But with elections of Presidents, senators, and rep., how can any one group keep the power? And stay in power.The Federal government is, I know, extended way past its powers given by the constitution but we still have some checks and balances to keep it from becoming a dictatorship. So why is the Federal Government seeking ways toward a dictatorship type Government when they know they will be stopped by the people sooner or later? I’m very convinced, like our founders, that if we the people are not vigilant, our federal gov. would be an plutocracy in a second.

  • Galen

    ALL OF OUR RIGHTS ARE BEING TAKEN AWAY TO FORM THIS 1 WORLD GOVERNMENT. THIS IS NO CONSPIRACY THEORY, IT IS CONSPIRACY FACT. DID YOU SEE THE POLICE BEATING THE PEOLE WITH THE BATONS IN CHICAGO. WE ARE ON THE VERGE OF BEING SYRIA WHERE OUR OWN GOVERNMENT WILL GUN US DOWN IN THE STREETS. REMEMBER KENT STATE. 4 DEAD IN OHIO??? THIS COUNTRY WILL SOON BE IN A WAR WITH ITSELF. UNEMPLOYMENT WILL JUMP TO 50% INFLATION TO 100%. POVERTY LEVELS UNDER OBAMA ARE THE HIGHEST EVER AND YOU LIBERALS WANT HIM BACK IN OFFICE??? YOU ARE INSANE!!! HE HAS NO IDEA WHAT TO DO. IF HE DID, HE WOULD ALREADY HAVE DONE IT. HIS PEOPLE ARE COOKING THE BOOKS, PLAYING WITH THE NUMBERS SO AS TO MAKE YOU THINK THINGS ARE BETTER. THEY ARE NOT!!

    • nc

      Galen> “Remember Kent State” > I do remember Kent State! A tragic mistake but hardly evidence that “OUR GOVERNMENT” had a PLAN to send troops to every disturbance on a college campus and delibertly kill our citizens! The best evidence of that is that it was 42 years ago and it hasn’t happened since.
      PLEASE SEND YOU POSTS TO LOT OF SITES! YOU ARE THE POSTER BOY FOR THE PARANOIA OF CONSERVATIVE THINKERS!!

      • FreedomFighter

        NC you are but an example of a communist toad.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Steve E

        NC. You are the kind of person that will be easy to sneak up on.

      • Winddrinker

        nc, since when is recognizing “the facts” being paranoid!”

        Oh, sorry, I forgot that you libturds never consider “facts!” You are all so emotional…, it is all too difficult to deal with the facts and what is obviously apparent!

        Retro libturds want to take us back to the tyrannical dark ages….but, they are hoping they can make us believe it is “progress.”

      • eddie47d

        What they wont tell you NC is that the Kent State incident (shooting)was authorized by Republican Nixon and The Republican Governor and supported in the news by those on the Conservative side. Oh how they hip hip hoorayed back then in support of the Ohio Governor. If they don’t like NDAA now how could they have endorse the way they handled things back then.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        eddie, you just make stuff up and you’re FULL of crap!!!

      • MAP

        Notice how eddie tries to shift the topic to the two party system. This is a typical liberal/communist ploy.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        eddie is just here to stir up trouble. He has no knowledge and just makes up crap to interrupt the flow of discussion. He’s obviously a paid shill!

      • DaveH

        No, Nancy. Pardon my lack of PC, but I think Eddie is just mentally retarded.

      • JeffH

        :) again, nothing more to add… :)

      • Average Joe

        DaveH,
        You do realize that by associating eddie to them…. you just insulted mentally retarded people everywhere..right? That boy’s about as smart as a bowl of refried hairballs….just sayin’ ;)

      • Michael J.

        nc & eddie (forever)

        The tragedy that occurred at Kent State was initiated by violent student protests against the escalation of the war in Vietnam that now had spread into Cambodia. Students began the chronology with a symbolic burial of the Constitution that occurred earlier in the day. They then burned down the campus R.O.T.C. building which was nothing but a World War II-era quonset hut. When the fire department arrived, students cut the hoses so that the firemen would be unable to douse the flames. The ROTC building was in ruins by the time the National Guard rolled in at the request of Gov. James Rhodes.

        The days events were just another of those self-dramatizing emotional little gestures of which brainwashed activists seem so fond. A mob of students, probably sprinkled with a few outside agitators. Without the trashing of Water Street bars by essentially apolitical students out on a drunken lark, the chain of events would not have been set in motion.

        Four dead in Ohio, as the song goes. Student protestors faced off against National Guard who were basically just children with live ammo.
        And all this was inspired by behind the scenes instigators like Abbie Hoffman who was a student of notorius communist professor Herbert Mancuse of Brandeis University and Colombia University. These organizers of the violent protestors had blood on their hands just as surely as those that sent troops to fight.

        So where did the radical Marxist protestors of the 60′s go? They are now members of the House of Representatives, State Senators, Hollywood Moguls, Tenured Professors and University Deans, MSM and corporate CEO’s. Veterans all, of “The Long March” (through the institutions) counseled by the writings of Antonio Gramcsi.

        If all this leaves you wondering what ever happened to the America you grew up in, just search “The Origins of Political Correctness and The Frankfurt School” to find out that it didn’t all fade away by accident.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          Michael J., those like Abbie Hoffman were like viruses that infected not only Kent State but many other college campuses across the nation. When’s the best time to take somebody and mold their mind to your cause? It actually starts when children first get into school and who are programed to “listen to the teacher”. Then this programming kicks into high gear at the time when the children are just beginning to win their freedom from their stupid parents (who have consistently lied about things that don’t seem to matter but do like Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny) but don’t yet understand what it is that they need to do.

          No, there is no need at the moment for youngsters to riot on college campuses as the colleges have been taken over by the programed and the programers.

      • eddie47d

        Not sure what Abbie Hoffman has to do with Kent State since I believe he was in Lawrence Kansas that day .The rest of the story I’m well aware of Michael and that is where leftists get their reputation of wanting protests instead of taking on the politicians on their turf. The politicians carry the weight of getting us into wars or ignoring social injustices. Mass demonstrations can sometimes be effective in getting the message out but they are usually hijacked by the extremists. They want chaos where change comes from a complete turnover and sometimes destruction of the rulers of the day. Not much different than what is said from right wing extremists today. That is why I chuckle to my self when Castaway or Freedom Fighter advocates for the same thing we heard in the 60′s. Libertarians like Ron Paul wants us out of Iraq and other foreign wars as badly as protesters in the 60′s wanted us out of Vietnam. Not a lick of difference in the desire or the anger in our involvement in those wars. The difference is in the line of action used to accomplish that goal. While Paul shows patience the protesters of the 60′s were loud and forceful in taking on the NWO Elites. If you remember during the Vietnam War Republicans didn’t like Johnson or his war policies yet when Nixon was elected those same war policies became popular to those same Republicans.So ironic and despicable that they could flip flop like that and that scenario gets played out even today by both parties.

      • Michael J.

        Katrael,
        Virus is the perfect analogy for how the communist spread this disease from it’s start in Colombia University to virtually every college campus in America. It is now so engrained that even school janitors have a copy of the Communist Manifesto in their pocket while mopping floors.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          Michael J. it would seem that the asylums are now controlled by the inmates. The propaganda spread there is just what many of our confused youths need to hear to finish turning them into puppets of the state. I know, I went to college at the age of forty and I had a chance to see this first hand. History professors can be quite adept at this programing.

    • Christian

      Galen, You are 100% correct in what you have written. However, you need to look at even a bigger picture. Unfortunately, I cannot tell you how I know the following information but I can tell you that I have been involved in meetings with very influential and down right scary people. The bigger picture is a one world economy with a one world currency. As much of a socialist that Obama is, he is just a pawn and so is congress. Roger G. above asked “with elections…how can one group hold power”. The answer is MONEY/WEALTH. The power always has and always will lay with the aristocracy of this world. Follow the money. Think about it…why now are so many middle eastern countries changing leadership? Do you think that muslims all the sudden like western culture and democracy? NO…These are all planned leadership changes by the people with the wealth of the world. They need people in power that will play ball or at least put up minimal resistance. the US is no longer a problem because we are too divided within ourselves…too comfortable in our day to day lives. The simple reality that the majority of Americans cannot take off work to protest in Washington or fight for what they believe in. This is a system of control. Now the only thing our government needs for ultimate control is a major catastrophe…any reason to impose martial law. George Soros is just one of the people that push is behind this agenda. By funding the “occupy” movements…he is creating the very uprising that our government needs to lock this country down. I’ve heard rumors (only rumors, not fact) that some want this to happen before the election to keep Obama in power if it looks like Romney is getting too much of a lead in the poles. If any large scale event happens it will absolutely throw us into the very kaos that you spoke of…economic crash, unheard of unemployement, then hunger, and finally death in the streets. I have been ordered to kill for my country…I have been ordered to let others live for my country…I have witnessed the exchange of intellegance that confirms the following…this economic crash is coming…it has to happen for the transition to a one world economy. All of the underhanded legislation and attacks on or freedoms are in place to control us when they try to lock us down. Mark my words…gun control is very close…they are already attempting ammunition control. Hope for the best, pray for our leaders, lets try to get Obama out in November if we can, but prepare for the absolute worse.

      • nc

        Christian, thanks for proving my point as to where CONSERVATIVES like Galen get their paranoia! From ” I know about this big conspiracy for a government takeover but I can’t give your FACTS” people like you!!
        Need a conpiracy to spread the fear of goverment? Just make one up! No problem! Maybe the people who read it are dumber than me and I win their minds! and the truth marches on!! YEAH RIGHT!! PITIFUL!! SCARY TOO!!

        Remember all those conspiracies and crimes by the Clintons that the wing nut crazies KNEW ALL ABOUT and printed the ‘list” on the internet years ago THAT HAVE NEVER BEEN PROVED??? WELL HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!!!

      • FreedomFighter

        NC you would not know truth if it did bite you on the leg, Both Bill an Hillary are communist NWO slim with a body count marking there advance in power.

        There is a civil war coming for America, nobody will win except the globilists, we should avoide the infighting and remove the true cause of the problems — the elite.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Galen

        CHRISTIAN, THIS IS VERY SCARY!! THE ROTHCHILDS, THE ROCKEFELLERS, FOR 150 YEARS THIS HAS BEEN PLANNED. THE GEORGIA STONEHENGE!! REDUCE THE WORLD POPULATION TO 500 MILLION. THE EARTH BEING 2/3 WATER AND A LOT OF WASTE LAND. TOO MANY PEOPLE TO FEED, TOO MANY RESOUECES TO SPEND ON TO MANY PEOPLE. I AM NOT TRYING TO INCITE CHAOS, ANARCHY OR REVOLUTION. I HAVE A 91 YEAR OLD MOTHER WITH A TERMINAL DISEASE. I AM 60 YEARS OLD AND DISABLED. I CANNOT GET DISABLITY BECAUSE I HAVENOT ENOUGH POINTS. NO SSI MY WIFE MAKES TOO MUCH MONEY. BUT ILLEGALS CAN GET IT. OTHERS SUCH AS IMMIGRANTS CAN GET BUSINESS LOANS WHEN I CAN’T. WHERE IS THE JUSTICE IN THAT? I HAD A STROKE IN ’95. I AM DUE TO HAVE A MASSIVE STROKE. I AM NOT LOOKING TO HAVE THE OHS OR NSA OR FBI OR CIA OR ANY OTHER AGENCY TO COME AND GRAB ME FOR WHAT I SAY UNDER THE 1ST AMENDMENT RIGHTS. I HAVE NOTHING. I AM A NOBODY. I DON’T WANT A GOVERNMENT CHECK IN THE MAIL, I WANT TO WORK, BUT NO ONE WILL HIRE AN OLD GUY LIKE ME WITH A BROKE DOWN BACK, AND CO-MORBIDITIES SUCH AS I HAVE. BUT I SEE THE GOVERNMENT WASTE AND THE THINGS THE GOVERNMENT DOES TO HURT THE PEOPLE. WE ARE SLAVES TO THEM AND NOTHING MORE. WE NOW WORK FOR OUR DEBTORS, CHINA, JAPAN, AND WHO KNOWS WHO ELSE. OUR MOTHER COUNTRY ENGLAND IS TIED UP IN THIS ALSO. WHAT ARE WE TO DO, CHRISTIAN. WILL JESUS COME BACK AND SAVE US BEFORE THIS ALL COMES TO PASS? ISRAEL IS GOING TO HIT IRAN WITH OR WITHOUT US. 2/3′S OF ISRAEL WILL PERISH IN ARMEGEDDON. WHEN WILL THIS BE? WILL THE USA STAND BESIDE HER? WILL JESUS DESTROY THE USA ALONG WITH THE OTHER HEATHEN NATIONS? TELL ME, WHAT DO YOU SEE. WHAT CAN WE DO AS WE THE PEOPLE? CAN WE FIGHT BACK? DO WE HAVE TO SUBMIT? DO WE HAVE TO ALLOW THEM TO TAKE OUR GUNS AND KILL US IF WE DON’T GIVE THEM UP? DO WE HAVE ANY CHOICES SO WE MAY SURVIVE? I AM BOUND BY GOD TO PROTECT MY WIFE AND MOTHER FROM ALL THINGS. I AM A SHEEPDOG. THE WOLVES ARE COMING. DO I LET THE WOLVES CHEW ME AND MY FAMILY UP?. DO I LET THEM BRAND ME A T WHICH I AM NOT. I HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF HURTING ANYONE. THAT IS NOT MY NATURE. BUT WE ARE ALL ANIMALS. WE PROTECT OUR PACK. OUR CLAN. OUR FAMILIES. IF THEY CANNOT SEE THAT AND UNDERSTAND THAT, HOW CAN WE RESPECT THEM, OR BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE OUR WELL BEING IN MIND? PLEASE GIVE ME SOME INSIGHT. N.C. IS A BLIND MAN. HE OR SHE DOES NOT WANT TO SEE THE TRUTH. WE WHO DO SEE, WHAT CAN WE DO?

      • DaveH

        NC says — “Need a conpiracy to spread the fear of goverment? Just make one up! No problem! Maybe the people who read it are dumber than me and I win their minds!”.
        You should know all about that, NC, being one of biggest fact-fabricators on the board.
        And dumber than you? Is that even possible?

      • Karolyn

        Debunking the Rothscchilds conspiracy theory:
        http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4311

      • Winddrinker

        Christian these global elites you refer to that own the wealth/power of the world are the BILDERBERGS..people like Soros, his ilk and worse!

        They are the shadow government running this country and they own and are using the Fedearl Reserve to create economic diaster and chaos.

        You are right, bho, is only a “very expensive shill” in a far-reaching plan to control the world’s wealth which is equivalent to unbridled power. “The shill” is enjoying it all, every way he can…. He might as well, because he will end up eliminated, when he is no longer useful..like many others. They will not want anyone that can tell…”everything.” It is not safe for them..

        And to nc, why do you want to see this country in ruin, taken back to the dark ages? You will be right there with the rest of us when there is famine, looting and killing. Oh, but of course, you think this regime is doing “what is the best for this country,” right?

        That is fine with me because people like you will be totally unprepared for what is coming, and
        there will be a first wave “cleansing,” so to speak. So, do us all a favor and “stay stupid.”

  • Galen

    WE THE PEOPLE BETTER WAKE UP!!! THIS COUNTRY WILL NOT BE TAKEN BACK BY ELECTIONS. THE MONEY PEOPLE AND SPECIAL INTREST LIKE SOROS AND NAMELESS FACES, BILLIONAIRES YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW, CORPORATIONS YOU WOULD NOT EXPECT,UNIONS, FREE MASONS, POWER PEOPLE, ARE IN CONTROL. WE THE LITTLE PEOPLE ARE SO BLIND TO WHAT IS TRULY GOING ON WE THE SHEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES HAVE NO CLUE. FEMA CAMPS THAT OPRAH HAVE VISITED. HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT SHE IS NOY FOR OBAMA ANYMORE. MICHELLE TOLD OPRAH SHE DID NOT WANT A FAT PIG RUNNING AROUND THE WHITE HOUSE INFLUENCING HER HUSBAND ON PRESIDENTIAL MATTERS. MICHELLE HAS HIS NADS IN HER PURSE. SHE IS SPENDING MASSES OF TAXPAYER MONEY ON LAVISH VACATIONS FOR HER SPOILED DAUGHTERS AND THEY DON’T WANT TO LOSE THAT LIFESTYLE. THE OBAMANATION OF DESOLATION HAS NOT FINISHED DESTROYING THE COUNTRY WE LOVE. HE NEEDS 1 MORE TERM. LET US NOT GIVE HIM THAT OPTION!!!

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Galen, please take off your CAPS lock. It’s annoying and hard to read. It all runs together.

      • Galen

        SORRY, KEYBOARD STUCK!! MY APOLOGIES.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        No problem. I just wanted you to know that people would be more likely to read your posts if they were easier to read.

    • hawkeye10

      Hi Galen; You have to remember one thing…these guys are only 1% and we are the 99%, and even though they used to have money…they are running out, and also, the way they try to control people is through fear. They thrive on this, and pedophilia, and bloodshed, war, etc. Don’t give them the satisfaction of taking your mind through fear. Get a hold of God. The Light is winning, and is eliminating the darkness. Remember another thing… In Germany, if the Jews just did what they needed to do to stop the German onslaught, things would have turned out much differently. Turn the tables on the d-evil and just say NO. Everyone just say NO. Throw away your TV sets and your black boxes and get ahold of God. God is everything good, faith instead of fear, peace instead of war, light instead of darkness, love instead of hate, mercy, kindness, everything that feels good. Resist the devil and he will flea. Remember one more thing… Things only work upon agreement… don’t agree with that stuff…learn how to defend yourself and be prepared. What do you want your destiny to be? Do you want to be some kind of coward? What about our brave military men that have fought for our country? Why should we just flush it down the toilet?

  • Tom T

    Honestly, we had a revolution a few hundred years ago for grievances that paled to what our government is doing to us now. There are very specific enumerated powers given to the federal government anything above and beyond that belongs to the states. Plain and simple.

    • DaveH

      Yes, it’s amazing the amount of abuse a reasonably prosperous people are willing to tolerate.

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        DaveH, your comment about how much prosperous people are willing to take reminds me of a story someone told me: A traveling salesman stopped at a farm house where the farmer was seated in his rocking chair. On the porch with him was an old hound dog that was just howling away. Salesman to farmer, “what’s that matter with your dog?” Farmer to salesman, “oh nothing he’s just laying on a nail.” The people will complain but aren’t yet uncomfortable enough to do anything about it.

        • RichE

          Katrael, what do you suggest they do since everyone on here calls them idiots just what do you think an idiot can do? I wonder how many people on this site think themselves smart. Now I’m wondering why they haven’t already solved the problem.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            RichE, I don’t make it a practice of calling people idiots and I know you didn’t say I did. I think people should get up, vote the communists out of office, plant gardens in their front yards, eat a sound nutritional diet, behave properly, that is don’t be promiscuous, don’t lie, cheat, steal, commit adultery or murder, teach your children sound morals and plenty of other things that people feel they can leave up to the uneducational system to teach their children. That’s not a complete list but it gets the hound dog up off of that nail and gives them something to do besides howling about it.

  • Galen

    IF WE DO, YOU ONLY HAVE YOUR SELVES TO BLAME. JUST LOOK INTO THE MIRROR WHEN YOU GET UP EVERYDAY. YOU THE PEOPLE CAN STOP THIS INSANITY. WHETHER IN THE BALLOT BOX OR BLOOD IN THE STREET. WHAT PRICE ARE YOU WILLING TO PAY FOR FREEDOM? THERE IS NO REMISSION OF SIN WITHOUT THE LETTING OF BLOOD. THAT IS BIBLICAL. ENOUGH GOOD PEOPLE HAVE DIED IN THE MIDDLE EAST WARS FOR NOTHING. THOSE PEOPLE WILL NEVER BE FREE. OUR SOLDIERS COME BACK MAIMED AND IN FLAG COVERED COFFINS AND OBAMA BELIEVES THEY DIED FOR HIM!!! GET HIM OUT OF THERE BEFORE THIS COUNTRY LOSES EVERYTHING WE HAVE GAINED THROUGH CENTURIES OF WAR AND PEACE. SACRIFICE WHICH IS ONE THING OBAMA KNOWS NOTHING OF. MICHELLE IS TOO BUSY HAVING THE KING OF SPAIN KISS HER HAND WHILE CHILDREN RIGHT HERE IN AMERICA GO TO BED HUNGRY. WE GIVE 1 BILLION A YEAR TO PAKISTAN THAT WE HAVE TO BORROW. 1ST LADY SPENT 4 MILLION ON THE HAWAIIAN VACATION TAXPAYER $$$$ INSTEAD OF GOING TO CAMP DAVID LIKE MOST PRESIDENTS DO BECAUSE SHE DIDN’T WANT TO DISAPPOINT HER GIRLS. I CAN’T EVEN AFFORD A WEEKEND IN FLORIDA AND I LIVE IN LOUISIANA!!! UPPITY YOU KNOW WHATS!!! TIME TO GO AWAY HUSSEN AND MICHELLE. IT COST 1.5 MILLION TO PUT AIRFORCE ONE PRESIDENTS JET IN THE AIR TO GO ON THAT VACATION. YOU PAID FOER IT. HOW DOES THAT FEEL??? WAKE UP. YOU ARE STILL ASLEEP, THE TIME IS AT HAND, THE HOURGLASS IS RUNNING OUT OF SAND.

    • Karolyn

      Galen ( Thoma Paine wannabe) – You first!

      • Galen

        PLEASE EXPLAIN?

      • Galen

        OH, THERE IS AN S IN THOMAS. BUT I AM NOT A WANNABE OF ANY TYPE. I ONLY WANT TO BE FREE. I ONLY WANT TO KNOW THAT WHEN I PASS AWAY, MY WIFE WILL BE OK. 2 OF MY SONS SERVED IN THE ARMY IN IRAQ. THANK GOD THEY WERE NOT WOUNDED BUT THE SCARS ARE IN THEIR MINDS. ME 1ST. I DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN BY THAT. I AM TOTALLY AWAKE TO WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THIS WORLD. IFYOUR HEAD IS IN THE SAND, THAT IS ON YOU. I DO NOT KNOW HOW OLD YOU ARE BUT IN MY 60 YOUNG YEARS I HAVE SEEN THE WORLD CHANGE ALOT. MY 91 YEAR OLD MOTHER HAS TOLD ME MAMNY STORIES ABOUT HER PAST. I WISH THE WORLD WAS A BETTER PLACE FOR US ALL BUT IT’S NOT. YOUR CONDESCENDING ME SHOWS YOU ARE STILL ASLEEP. YES THE ROTHCHILDS MAY BE GONE, BUT OTHERS TOOK THEIR PLACE. IT’S BEEN THIS WAY FOR 150 YEARS. A STEP BY STEP, SUBTLE THING. HITLER MOVED TOO FAST OR HE COULD HAVE DONE IT. IT’S BY INCREMENTS THAT WE DON’T NOTICE THINGS UNTIL IT’S TOO LATE FOR US TO FIGHT IT. THAT’S WHAT WAS COUNTED ON. SINCE THE ILLUMINATI WAS FORMED. HOW MANY PRESIDENTS DO YOU THINK WERE RANKING FREE MASONS. LOOK IT UP. I’M NOT GOING TO WASTE MY TIME ON YOU BECAUSE YOUR HEAD IS IN THE SAND JUST LIKE MY WIFE. SHE DOESN’T WANT TO KNOW WHAT’S GOING ON. SHE IS PUTTING HER TRUST IN THE LORD. I WISH I COULD DO THAT AS WELL. I AM HYPER-VIGILANT AND ONLY WANT TO PROTECT MY FAMILY. I DON’T CARE ABOUT ANYONE ELSE. JSUT MY FAMILY. ANYONE WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE THIS COUNTRY IS GOING TO THE DOGS AND ALLOWS THEMSELVES TO BE EATEN BY THE WOLVES, FINE, I DON’T CARE. BUT DON’T EXPECT ME TO RESCUE YOU. YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN.YOU SHOW YOUR IMMATURITY BUT I WON’T FAULT YOU FOR THAT. JUST GET READY. THIS COUNTRY WILL FALL HARD WHEN SHE DOES AND NO ONE WILL BE SPARED. THOSE WHO ARE BUYING GOLD, THE FEDS WILL CONFISCATE WHEN WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO GOLD STANDARD. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SAFE. THAT IS A FALSE SECURITY. NO ONE IS SAFE, EVER!! I HOPE THE BEST FOR YOU. GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY

  • Since

    Obama, Did anyone tell you today how much you suck?

    • Patriotic nut

      Since, I have repeatedly voiced that very sentiment on numerous occasions, alas it fell upon deaf ears, however big they may be they fail to hear.

    • Winddrinker

      Since, better be careful!

      There is a teacher in NC that thinks people should GO TO JAIL if they “disrespect this illegal foreign cretin, that came off the streets of some third-world country, and is illegally squatting in our oval office.”

      • nc

        DRINKER, You asked me in an earlier post that I could not respond to directly because it had no “reply” if I wanted to see this country in ruin!The answer is NO! If I did I would not have volunteered for military service or taken an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States! Did so proudly!
        When they issued me my rifle they did not say that I had to defend the Constitution according to Winddrinker or any other drinker!!
        I was as liberal then as I am today because I happened to believe that the Democrat platform answered more to the needs of the people I felt needed protection than those catered to by the Republican platform!

        I was born on a mill village to textile worker parents in the middle of the Great Depression! What in H*ll do I have in common with the America that Romney and like Republicans grew up in and want to perpetuate???

      • Buster the Anatolian

        “What in H*ll do I have in common with the America that Romney and like Republicans grew up in and want to perpetuate???”

        nc if you were born in the depression as you claim then you are one of those who built the America that Romney etc grew up in.

  • jim slim

    Tell Obama not to defend indefinite detention http://wh.gov/HgZ

  • Robert Mooney

    Why are we so hell bent on destroying one of the great things that has made this country what it is. “INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM”

    • DaveH

      We aren’t. It’s the Leaders. Their brainwashed followers just don’t know any better.

      • Steve E

        I believe his followers hate this country too. They don’t want to admit it because they are afraid they will get their butts kicked by a Patriot. And if they say they don’t hate this country, I will call them a liar. All of them, they are evil liars.

    • Winddrinker

      nc says…”what in the h3ll do I have in common with Romney and republicans like him.”

      ONE question!

      What in the h3ll do you have in common with an illegal foreigner that hates this country and a tyrannical group of communists that want to destroy your country, the one you fought for at one time.

      Just wait…..If we lose this country to the global elites, and you manage to live through it (because there will be war) you will think that you died and went to h3ll!

  • Power To The People

    Good Morning All! I see a few of our Obummer fans are sipping the kool aid this morning. Remember my patriot friends, the liberals and many other forces have made it their mission to destroy the constitution. They are far along the path to doing just that.
    GALEN, you may be right about what we face if Obummer stays in office and most of the tools in Congress continue to trash this nation,

    Our nation is in serious trouble….the feds do cook the numbers….they lie about the state of the economy….they lie about unemployment….they lie about the wars. I just had the honor of having a helicopter pilot in my home who flew hundreds of missions in Iraq and Afghanistan. She described the true picture in the later and it is not what Obummer and the feds tell us.

    We wallow in debt we can’t pay and all the tools in Congress and the White House do is add more and tell us we don’t pay enough. What bull shit!

    Thank God that many states have the guts to do their job and and say no to the feds when they overstep their bounds. To you libs who think the constitution is dead and should be buried….not so fast!

  • http://www.cindynel.co.za peter

    Are we really going to get to that stage where we all say ‘ over my dead body’? Is it going to come to that? Food for thought.

    • Alan

      I guess the follow saying would be: “If that’s what it takes!” Your statement makes you sound lazy, that you aren’t quite up to the task of defending your own pernoal/individual liberties.

      • Winddrinker

        Texans are ready! Even our women are “packing heat.”

    • Elevenarrows

      Peter, you asked if it will get to the point where we have to say, “over my dead body”…the point is, that mentality would not deter the powers that be. So many of them find the American patriot to be an annoyance and an inconvenience. They wouldn’t really mind a few “dead bodies”. Some of acting-president Obama’s czars advocate population control. When I first heard about this, it was the crazy rantings of one who thought adding sterilization drugs to municipal water supplies would be effective. I was somewhat relieved because how many people could possibly think that is a good idea??? Nothing to worry about. Well, I just received notification this week that polysorbate 80 has been added to flu vaccines and many government-mandated vaccines. Of course, the use of baby parts was upsetting enough, but now we are adding sterilization drugs?! Let’s not overlook the government’s rather effective brainwashing campaign to convince us that “good citizens doing their patriotic duties” get vaccinated and rebellious, selfish citizens are too lazy to do so. Peter, we are way past the point of “over my dead body”. I daresay many politicians puffing out their chests in DC as they remove more and more of our RIGHTS really don’t mind if we take a stand that results in our “dead bodies”.

      • hawkeye10

        Who says that these politicians are invinceable?

  • Firefight

    “As Democrats and Republicans continue to work together in Washington to take away our rights, our communities must and will rise up to save them.”

    There is a mistake here in the assumption that these two groups, Republicans & Democrats, are actually Republicans & Democrats. No! They are Communits. They are Marxists and they are Socialists. They are not one of those who holds anything created by our founding fathers sacred. They have an agenda and they are using the office to which they got elected as the means to destroy our way of life. They are the domestic enemy and the sooner we all understand that fact, the sooner we will realize that we need to specifically single them out and get rid of them. Starting from the top and all the way down in November. Speaking as an ex military officer, it is our sworn duty to defend our liberties.

    • Alan

      I made a comment earlier, when the drones were released over America, that “We the People” needed that survelance of the only true domestic critters in DC. “We the People” need survelance of DC and the Fed Reserve to see what the critters in charge are up to that way “We the People get true transparency. We need to be watching everything the politicos are doing. I refrain from using the T-word because our posts are being monitored. I for one don’t want any visits to my home from the critters in charge!

  • FreedomFighter

    We are in a Civil WAR against Obama and his communist/socialist cabal, cold war, yet a war none-the-less.

    If we dont fight now, they will win, soon they will take the guns, then we will be helpless against the coming tide of darkness.

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Neil Swan

      Freedom Fighter
      Are you a terrorist like the Christian Malitia who thought the government was Anti Christ.
      They wanted to kill a cop and bomb his funeral.

      Neil

  • Galen

    TAKE THE CHILDREN AND YOURSELF AND HIDE OUT IN THE CELLAR, BY NOW THE FIGHTING WILL BE CLOSE AT HAND, DON’T BELIEVE IN CHURCH AND STATE AND EVERYTHING THEY TELL YOU BELIEVE IN ME I’M WITH THE HIGH COMMAND
    CAN YOU HEAR ME, CAN YOU HEAR ME RUNNING, CAN YOU HEAR ME RUNNING CAN YOU HEAR ME CALLING YOU
    THERE’S A GUN AND AMMUNITION JUST INSIDE THE DOORWAY, USE IT ONLY IN EMERGENCY, BETTER YOU SHOULD PRAY TO GOD THE FATHER AND THE SPIRIT, SHOULD GUIDE YOU AND PROTECT YOU FROM UP HERE
    PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG WHATEVER FLAG THEY OFFER, NEVER HINT AT WHAT YOU REALLY FEEL, TEACH YOUR CHILDREN QUIETLY FOR SOMEDAY SONS AND DAUGHTERS WILL RISE UP AND FIGHT WHILE WE STOOD STILL
    CAN YOU HEAR ME CAN YOU HEAR ME CALLING YOU.
    THAT WAS MIKE AND THE MECHANICS IN THE 80′S. CALLED SILENT RUNNING. IT IS JESUS SPEAKINK REREAD THE WORDS AND YOU WILL GET IT. IT IS PROPHETIC. PROFOUND FOR THAT TIME. IT IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN. OPRAH VISITED FEMA CAMPS IN FRESNO. CHECK HER OUT. 2,000 PEOPLE IN 3 CAMPS TOTAL 6,000 PEOPLE. IT’S COMING FOLKS. OBAMA CAN CHOKE OFF FOOD WATER, CONFISCATE YOUR BANK ACCOUNTS, GOLD, AUTOS, HOUSES, GUNS, EVERYTHING UNDER EXECUTIVE ORDER WHETHER UNDER EMERGENCY OR NON-EMERGENCY. AND CONGRESS CAN DO NOTHING ABOUT. STATES SHOULD GET TOGETHER AND SUCCEED FROM THE UNION BECAUSE THE UNION NO LONGER STANDS FOR THE RIGHTS OF THE PEOPLE. ONLY THE RIGHTS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. HOW CAN OBAMA TELL US WHEN AND WHERE WE CAN DRILL FOR OIL AND NATURAL GAS. BULL4HI!!
    THAT IS SOMETHING THE STATES HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO. TOO MUCH FEDERAL GOVERNMENT REGULATION MEANS TOO MUCH OPPRESSION AND THE STRIPPING OF OUR GOD GIVEN RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS. TIME TO TAKE IT BACK FOLKS. DO OR DIE!!! ARE YOU TOO CHICKEN??? COMPLACENT??? COWARDS??? OBAMA IS A COWARD. YOU DON’T SEE HIM SACRIFICING ANYTHING MICHELLE SPENDING MONEY LIKE WATER OUR MONEY. NO SACRIFICE THERE. WOULD HE BLEED IN AFGHANISTAN? WOULD HE FIGHT BESIDE OUR BRAVE SOLDIERS? I DON’T THINK SO. HE IS THE WUS OF WUSES. A PATHETIC FORM OF A MAN. THE MOST PATHETIC INCAPABLE POTUS WE HAVE EVER HAD AND IF HE WERE A MAN OF DIGNITY AND VIRTUE, HE WOULD DO AS LYNDON BAINES JOHNSON DID, NOT RUN FOR RE-ELECTION. THAT WOULD BE HONORABLE. BUT HIS EGO WON’T LET HIM DO THAT. HE IS NOT THE MAN THAT JOHNSON WAS. THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS HIM AS THE PUS OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. HE BOWS TO OUR ENEMIES. HE SHOWS OUR POSITION OF WEAKNESS. AND WE, ARE WEAK IN OUR NATURE BECAUSE WE WILL NOT STAND UP TO THIS OPPRESSIVE TYRANNICAL,UNJUST GOVERNMENT. WE THE COWARDS OF THE UNITED STATES, IN ORDER TO KEEP WHAT WE HAVE AND TO HELL WITH THE POOR AND UNFORTUNATE, LET THE GOVERNMENT KEEP WINNING AS LONG AS WE ARE COMFY COZY. WE ARE A PATHETIC CANCER ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH AND DESERVE FOR SOME 3RD WORLD COUNTRY TO NUKE US OFF THE PLANET. WE ARE EVIL AND BOUND FOR DESTRUCTION IF WE DO NOT CHANGE AND I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT OBAMANTION OF DESOLATION CHANGE!!! I AM TALIKNG ABOUT A RON PAUL, RAND PAUL, PATRIOTIC TYPE REORDER CHANGE WHETHER IT COME BY PEACEFUL MEANS FROM INTELLIGENT DIALOGUE, OR BLOOD IT MUST COME WITHOUIT OBAMA, PELOSI, BIDEN AND REID. THEY NEED TO GO AWAY. WHERE? ANYWHERE, EXILE THEM TO CHINA IN RANSOM FOR THE DEBT THEY HAVE PUT US IN. GOOD AMERICANS IT IS TIME TO RALLY. GOD BLESS AMERICA. GOD FORGIVE AMERICA. GOD FORGIVE OBAMA AND THE DEMS FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE TO HIS LAND AND HIS PEOPLE. GOD HELP US AS WE TRY TO BRING REAL GODLY CHANGE TO THE U.S.A. WE NEED YOUR HELP IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, AMEN.

    • http://wildeyguns.com Wildey

      I’ve been in the gun business since 1955 and heard a lot of people talk about guns for defense against their own government, which is what Jefferson had in mind when he the second amendment. Don’t collect guns. You can only use one at a time. A shotgun, a 22 with brick of ammunition, a rifle chambered for a common caliber and handgun is all you should have. Your arms must be portable in case you have to move. Most gun owners are on a list. They can be taken care of at the governments pleasure and I wouldn’t want to wait for them. If you use your gun and win the fire fight, what was your adversaries is now yours. Most important, become proficient with your guns. Their use should be second nature. Know how but pray to God you don’t have to. Vote intelligently and bring five others with you to the voting booth.

      • Winddrinker

        Good advice Wildey! Keep what guns you can carry and have as much ammo as you can get!

      • christianliberties

        Wildey, Awesome advice.
        Galen asked what we can do…unfortunately not much more than this. Beleive or dont beleive…it makes no difference, what will be will be. Be ready for the worse by become experts in your own weapons, be prepared to do what you can to fed and protect the ones you care about…think about all the things that most take for granted and stock up to soften the impact of a economic collapse. Ask yourself questions like…how can I keep water running, power what needs to be powered, fortify your family and possibly your neighborhood. Remember there is strength in numbers and trust only in like minded poeple. Most importantly…don’t forget to remain compasionate for those who cannot protect themselves…protect and feed women, children, Yes, vote smart…encourage others to go with you. The tea party movement slowed the train wreck down but a one world economy must happen. I am telling you this from the inside…it is coming. The transition will be the hardest for large cities…the farther you get into the country the less it will impact you. All will feel it though. I’m tired…I’ve been fighting for so long…so many years. I just pray that I have the strength to make my death worth something…I’m ready. lo que ser wil sera’…Ce qui sera…Какой будет…ما سوف لن تكون…מה יהיה יהיה…Det kommer att kommer att vara…To co zostanie

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003001185551 Sandy Daniels

    In my opinion every law that has been made since obusnff got into office should be repealed at the very least. Bush at least was an American citizen and now that we KNOW Obama was kenyan born, as per the newspaper articles from his election to the senate proves , his presidency should be repealed as well as all laws and deals he made in congress. Furthermore our laws should be vetted since LBJ was in office. He was the one who stole our retirements and set the legal precident for foriegners to work here for 8 quarters and go back to their home country and retire via AMERICAN SOCIAL SECURITY.

    I also believe we should have all house rep and senators vetted and if they vote consistantly for unconstitutional laws freplace em with State appointed reps and senators, That way if they start to vote for unconstitutional laws and bigger govenment they can be immediatly fired and replaced within a month or so without taking up years of time and court appeals the way it is now/ This in effect could return us most of the way back to a constitutional representative REPUBLIC. as it should be/ THEN AND ONLY THEN WILL WE BE FREE AGAIN. As firefight says they forswore their oath the defend and protect the constitution. If we veterans had done that so casually we wou;d be spending the rest of our lives in fun filled leavenworth prison.

  • jesse

    Home of the brave? Home of the cowards, just like Tom T said we have had a revolution for a lot less.

    Not until thousands show up armed and ready will anything change. They know most protestors will be there with signs and nothing more…..real scary!

    If we are not going to act like our forefathers then quit bringing them up, its useless!

    There has never been major change in this country without blood shed…what makes anyone think it won’t take that again? Don’t fool yourselves, peaceful protests only go so far and again, please anyone, show me different.

    Nothing has changed and won’t until Americans take justice into their own hands just like our forefathers did.

    It incredible to see other countries go nuts over smaller concerns and Americans just sit on their hands and complain while the powers at be run America into the ground.

    Time will tell what sets Americans off but certainly something trivial will as most of the important changes have already gone unchallenged. I bet it will be internet or video games or cell phones but not personal liberties, those dont matter because it does not affect me and I dont care about my children or grandchildren, they will pay for it and I wont be around.

    I pray for this country to come out of its coma.

    • Karolyn

      And I pray in gratitude that the majority of Americans are not like you!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        And i pray in gratitude that the majority of Americans are not like you, Karolyn.

        Jesse is absolutely correct! We need more like him/her; many many, more. And less people like you; much much, less people like you!

      • Michael J.

        Jay,
        Although you can not tell by watching TV, MSM or reading the newspaper, people like Karolyn make up only 20% of the public.

  • Bert Cundle Sr.

    Laws: Are the Quicksand of Sociaty…The Strouggle to be free Yet, protected, is a problem!
    There are so many need the name of a Government possition, to express their power, for their egotistical mania. { Abolish the Penal Code & Inforce the Civil Code! for servival! }

  • http://personalliberty.com/2012/05/22/stopping-ndaa/?eiid= william l collins

    Obama or Romney eather one are for big government and breaking the consititation along with our govners in so many states we got to many people that will vote only by party not for the man or woman thats for the consititation freedoms and rights of the people by the people its unconsititational to have to regeister your guns in order to own them or have them show me where in the consititation where it says that you have to regeister your guns and where in the consititation that it said that the people has to pay all the presidents wages after they live office along with congress and senators too now you want to take about free lowders ever president congrees man woman senators man and women are the most expensive intitilements they are which is unconsititational just like alot of the fedieral laws that congrees passes just look at newyork that have rights are the ploice and crooks

  • Shorty

    Could someone post the names of everyone in Congress who voted for NDAA? We need to get every one of them out of office, including the so-called “conservatives”.

  • Chisna

    A federal judge in New York on Wednesday ruled in favor of a group of civilian activists and journalists and struck down highly controversial ‘indefinite detention’ and ‘material support’ provisions of the National Defense Authorization Act, enacted by Congress and signed into law by President Obama last December. In their suit, the plaintiffs stated they could be detained ‘indefinitely’ for their constitutionally protected activities. Citing the ‘vagueness’ of certain language in the bill, U.S. District Judge Katherine Forrest — who was appointed to the court by Obama — agreed, and said the law could have “chilling impact on First Amendment rights” for journalists, activists, and potentially all US citizens.

    “An individual could run the risk of substantially supporting or directly supporting an ‘associated force’ without even being aware that he or she was doing so,” the judge said.

    The ruling came as part of a lawsuit brought by seven plaintiffs — Chris Hedges, Dan Ellsberg, Noam Chomsky, Birgitta Jonsdottir, Alexa O’Brien, Kai Wargall, and Jennifer Bolen — alleging that the NDAA violates ”both their free speech and associational rights

    Source – ( http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/05/17 )

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000768527220 Virginia Ramey

      Great! Way to go! The President said that we can make changes, one lawsuit at a time! and since it works, i hope it is implimented all the time all over, and maybe we can get our liberties back or kept, and show the colors of the propaganda that somewhere over on the other side of the world people are destroying our liberties and we have to go fight them. We have killed over a million and a half Iriqis, who did nothing to us, caused over 5 million to flee their homes. Also Ninety some percent of Afghans never heard of 911, and we have gone out destroying countries, enriching the 1% to trippling their wealth. The 911 commission said that “the oil will pay for the war.” However windfall profits going from 25 billion per quarter to 100 billion per quarter, they dont even want to pay taxes on it.

  • John the angry Patriot

    It seem the America we once knew as children is being calculatingly undermined by stripping people of their constitional freedoms.Take Adam Smith and Mac Thornberry’s proposed amendment to the NDAA, according to my critical readings this piece of legislation would permit government agencies the permission to use disinformation and propaganda here domestcally against the American population. If this legislation is true this work is obscene and perverse to our fundemental value system. John the Angry patriot….

  • s c

    Amerika’s prostitute gubmint is out-of-touch, out-of-control and as of this administration, it’s no damn good, people. It’s time for all states [all 57 of them, according to the Anointed Loser] to take a stand and tell gubmint types that it’s a good idea for them to STAY OUT of all 57 states. States have nothing to lose by treating Uncle Scam the same way he treats Amerika’s states. If [when] Uncle Scam comes to his senses, maybe we can have coffee and talk about it.
    By the way comrade ‘e,’ how that military exercise working out for you in the Denver area? I wasn’t aware that your W H ‘God’ had stooped to “inviting” foreign military forces to take part in armed ‘neighborhood events.’ Russia’s Spetsnaz is one of those groups. Maybe you can drop by and say something in Russian, comrade ‘e.’ I’m sure they’d be glad to say hi -right after they knock you on your dumb arse.

    • Karolyn

      Is that like the “Chinese” military in Mexico that turned out to actually be Mexicans?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Any sources?

  • Jaesun

    It is becoming more obvious, even to the sheeple, that government is the greatest threat to freedom, health, and prosperity of the people. Hopefully, more people are realizing that the government’s claim to the right to initiate force against those who disobey its commands IS THE PROBLEM to which all our societal symptoms can be traced. The cure is to faze out government with the ultimate goal of having a completely volluntary society where no one is allowed to initiate force.

  • Nancy in Nebraska

    Here’s the problem, we slept too long! The economic crash is coming! We can’t stop it. In fact it’s already started to happen, you just don’t hear about it on the news. Picture a train racing down the track. After it derails, momentum takes it further until the crash actually occurs. Our economy has already derailed. We are in the momentum stage, heading for the final crash. There’s no way to get it back on the tracks. It’s too late. The only thing that has allowed us to operate as we have has been the “petrodollar”. Back in the seventies we made a deal with OPEC that they would only sell their oil for US dollars. Every country in the world that wanted to buy oil had to have $ to purchase. Therefore the US dollar kept it’s value. Our country has abused this privilege. It has controlled every other country on earth. It prints money whenever it wants and deflates the dollar which not only affects us but everyone else who needs to buy oil. It’s a lot more complicated and I won’t go into more detail but you can read about it. In the meantime, other countries are rebelling and refusing to to use dollars for trade. It is already happening! China, Russia, Brazil, Venezuela, Argentina, South Africa, Malaysia, Indonesia, South Kore, Columbia, are some of the countries that are already dealing in other currencies or swapping products without using the US dollar.
    In Dec. of 2011, Japan and China dumped the petrodollar and agreed to trade only in Yuan and Yen.
    The BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa) nations have agreed to mutual lines of dollar free credi.
    The 10 ASEAN nations plus China, Japan, South Korea and Hong Kong are changing to non dollar credits.
    Japan and India are trading in Yen to buy Iranian oil.
    China and The United Arab Emirates are dealing in alternate currencies.
    China and Iran are bartering refineries for oil. Iran has oil but no refineries to turn it into gas so China will build the refineries in exchange for oil.
    Iran’s oil “swaps” are projected to reach 500,000 barrels per day.
    So, as you can see, it is already happening! The Fed will print more money to try and hold it off but that will just cause other nations to flee the dollar! There is no way to put this train back on the tracks! Collapse is coming! “They”, the elite? The government? Whatever you want to call them, KNOW that this is coming. That is why they are passing all of these laws, to control us. When our money is useless and there is no food in the grocery stores people will go crazy! They will riot and kill. Things will be out of control. “They” think they will be able to control us if they take away our weapons and “detain” us in FEMA camps. They will confiscate everything we have and put us in the camps “for our own good”! IT IS COMING!!! MARK MY WORDS! I wish I were wrong but it is coming. After all of this they will convert to a “one world currency” and a “one world government”. “They” will have total control over EVERYONE! It’s too late to stop the collapse but DO NOT let them put you in the FEMA camps. REBEL! Do not cooperate! Tell our government to ome up with another plan!

    • FreedomFighter

      Worse than you think, you wil go into a FEMA camp and become slave labor. Its been found in there documentation.

      Re-Education Fema Camp Manual w/ Slave Labor and Torture

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKPrI-rXl7U&feature=uploademail

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Freedom Fighter, I GUARANTEE YOU, “I” WILL NOT BE GOING INTO A FEMA CAMP!!!

    • http://wildeyguns.com Wildey

      Nancy in Nebraska, I’m lock step in ageement with you. There’s one thing you didn’t mention and that FDR’s solution to the 30′s depression. When elected he planned, and executed his plans, to get America involved in the foreign wars that were going on in Europe, Russia and Japan. It worked for the moment but only layed the ground work for what we’re living today. If I may be a little prophetic. “The” government, along with the Zionist’s will go to war with Iran, and very very soon.. Our reason is economic and the Zionists is religious/political. Regardless, Russia will be involved as they have a pact with Iran, besides the Russians and Chinese see America’s intent as being world domination. They will have to enter the war as will many other countries. As a Christian I recommend reading John 3:16

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Wildey, the wars are ALWAYS about money! The elite finance both sides and profit from the war machine. They make tons of money either way. It’s all a farce to steal our money. I believe your connecting things to prophecy is correct. I believe these are the things that were foretold. Hard times are ahead but we know how the story ends.

      • MAP

        I agree, Wildey. There is a better than good chance we will soon witness another world war.

  • http://wildeyguns.com Wildey

    The differences of our having to deal with the NDAA and Filmore’s time there were the real issue. In Fillmore’s time the circumstances were real and the country was expressing it’s opinion, good or bad, On the other hand, we’re dealing with created circumstances, imaginery circumstances, manufactured terror, created bogeymen and everything else to beat the people into submission so they will turn to the government for “protection”. Prior to 1968 none of the things or people were there to terrorize us. There was no Terror Industrial Complex (TIC) as there is today. The government wan’t trying to drive home it’s will and appetite on the people, as it is today. “Politically correct” was an expression that wasn’t even heard of.

    The NDAA is a product that was invented in Hitler and Satlin’s time, and it’s back in use on the American people today. With the use of certain words and their interpretations employees to work in the NDAA are being created from the ranks of the American peope. The existence of a NDAA is evidence that more people have been persecuted by their own governments than were ever persecuted from invading armies. The NDAA is not alone persecuting Americans. I’m sure all of you could add to list.

  • moonbeam

    The best way to show our hot displeasure about the lying, illegal communist/socialist usurper is in the voting booth. That is, of course, if the electoral college doesn’t out-vote the will of the people. Then I would like to see criminal court proceedings about the use of false SSNs (both mr and mrs are using SSNs that do NOT belong to them), fake birth certificates, etc. Just like what would happen to me and you if we tried to get away with that crap. Google the mrs + using fake SSN.

    Just read that Colin Powell has not endorsed “The One”, but even Powell is as stupid as stupid does. He thinks the fake birth certificate (identity theft pure and simple) is real. ROTFLMAO!!!!

    Just look to see the folks who tried it and didn’t get away with it:

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&client=firefox-a&hs=TsY&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=X&ei=-cS7T4KFN4eI8QT1qe26Cg&ved=0CCIQBSgA&q=arrests+for+using+false+SSN+number&spell=1&biw=1024&bih=586

    And here I mistakenly thought Powell was an intelligent human being. Apparently he just goes with what he’s told and doesn’t bother to do his own due diligence like we have here. Or maybe he’s playing safe to stay alive?

    Terrible thing to not see what is right in front of you and what others with concrete evidence have shown. I use photoshop extensively and can see the layers (shouldn’t be any layers in a legal document) in the fake BC he vomited up to the world.

    When Oh When will our legal system wake up and handle their business?

    • moonbeam
      • Nancy in Nebraska

        A lawyer representing obummer in court admitted that the birth certificate that he presented to the American people is a FRAUD!

        http://www.therightperspective.org/2012/04/15/obama-lawyer-admits-birth-certificate-is-a-forgery/

        It doesn’t matter. Those with all of the power want him and they WILL have him. I’m sure that they get a kick out of the fact that he’s an illegally seated president! Elections have no meaning. BOTH candidates are owned and controlled by the same people. Their agenda goes forward regardless of who wins. (not that I believe there is any fair vote counting going on anyway)

      • Karolyn

        Nancy – I watched the vdeo of that courtroom scenario on Youtube and do not recall hearing her say that.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Karolyn, GOOGLE IT! There are tons of sources. You’re not going to accept any one I post so just google it yourself!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Namcy, here’s a 2004 newspaper article from “The Standard” that deals primarily with obama’s political aspirations, but begins the article by stating, in a matter of fact way, that obama was born in Kenya. Not once, but twice! I’m sure some will say it was a type-o, or a miss-print.

        http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm

    • AZ-Ike

      You are right that it is the electoral college who will decide who is the next President. (Those who will write-in Ron Paul’s name on the election ballots actually have no say and no affect on the election’s outcome.) We elect the ‘Presidential Electors’ and they are listed independently of any party affiliation on the election ballots, but who controls the ‘nominating process’ of the Presidential Electors? Usually it is the political parties that nominate ‘Electors.”

      So right now, everyone should get busy in their respective states and find out how the Electors are chosen for nomination, find out ways to nominate our own candidates and get groups of people who will support those nominations(–tea-parties, maybe?).
      (Alan Keyes: http://loyaltoliberty.com Recent article(s) “Restoring Representation: A Strategic Proposal III (in 3 parts).)

  • roger gunderson

    Either Romney or Obama for a choice is a dead end. Nothing will change except for the worse. Ron Paul is our only hope for real change. But once again, the media has got the people fooled with their propaganda. The people are to sheep like to take a real interest into what is going on. I can already see 4 more years after this election of crap-as-usual.

  • Kevin Miller

    Dems and Reps may both be responsible for this GODforsaken bill,but,like other bills of history that were like it,the White House was occupied by men other than Republicans(Whigs or Democrats).And just like those times,We The People need to do or continue to do the Right Thing and fight this bill until these criminals turn tail and run on this thing!

  • Buck

    Those presidents were wrong as is this president , the difference was that they were a republic and could get away with resisting , we on the other hand have become a progressive ( read communist ) nation and the federal government holds ultimate power , by force if necessary .

    • MAP

      Buck, that was Lincoln’s great accomplishment. Central controls.

  • Daniel Scott

    I will be very surprised if there is another election. Things are in place for another “attack” or disaster for the president to declare marshal law. In doing so, he wouldn’t have to leave office. Someone told me once that Thomas Jefferson said:” in order to keep the government honest, we need to have a revolution once every 75 years.” Seems to me we are way past the 75 year mark.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003382332086 Maynard Runkle

    The War on Drugs is a sham. Check out how opium poppy production has expanded since the Taliban was removed from power. Michael Ruppert wrote Crossing the Rubicon which showed his disaffection with the Los Angeles Police. He was an L.A. policeman and observed the way crack cocaine was being brought into the inner city to raise money for governmental agences.
    When Bill Clinton was governor of Arkansas shipments of cocaine were flown into his state. It is hard to believe it was without governmental knowledge and approval.
    The Congress claims they can’t agree. That’s a smokescreen. They’ve voted overwhelmingly to attack our rights under the Constitution, and passed NDAA 2012 giving the executive the power to arrest citizens and hold us indefinitely without a trial. Look into former governor Jesse Ventura’s programs made for “Conspiracy Theory.” They’re still on You-tube. The FEMA camps are ready and waiting for us. They just need another false flag operation like 9/11 to scare the sheep into going along with putting us in the slammer and throwing away the key. Don’t put it past them from using torture to elicit “confessions.” Both parties are equally involved. Some patriots still exist: Dennis Kucinic who is retiring and Ron Paul who should run as a third party candidate but says he won’t. If not, it’s all over for the “Land of the Free.” We haven’t been the “Home of the Brave” since the sheep are going along with our loss of freedoms believing they are going to be safer. “He who gives up freedom for security deserves neither.” Ben Franklin

    • Galen

      THINK OF HOW MANY HUNTERS THERE ARE. 600,000 IN LA. 900,000 IN TEXAS, 500,000 VERMONT, 600,000, AND SO ON. TOGETHER AMERICAN HUNTERS MAKE UP THE LARGEST ARMY IN THE WORLD. LET’S GET IT ON.

    • AZ-Ike

      Even if Ron Paul were to run as a 3rd party candidate, it is the Electoral College who elects the President–not the popular vote of the people. It is imperative to find out and influence who is nominated for the Presiential Electors in each state if we want any possible control in electing the next President. See above statement in reply to Moonbeam.

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        AZ-Ike, the electoral college delegates are required to cast their first vote according to the popular vote. In case there is no winner then the delegate gets to cast his or her vote according to their own wishes.

  • Galen

    WE COULD BE INVADED BY CHINA AND WIN

  • RichE

    That’s funny comparing the NDAA and Obama to Hitler. I bet Hitler would roll over in his grave if he knew he was replaced by a black man.

  • Neil Swan

    Winddrinker
    You are in error this is not a Christian nation. We have religious freedom. You can believe in any religion you want to.

    Neil

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      The use of Christian religious references, prayers, in public and political life, seems to always stir-up debate over religion in America.

      Professor’s such as Alan Dershowitz believe strongly that America wasn’t a Christian nation; Columnist’s such as Jeff Jacoby would reply that it certainly was.

      Who is right? Is America a Christian nation?

      The answer is both yes and no, depending on what one means by the phrase.

      When President Harry Truman wrote to Pope Pius XII in 1947 that “This is a Christian nation.”, he certainly did not mean that the United States has an official or legally-preferred religion or church. Nor did he mean to slight adherents of non-Christian religions.

      But he certainly did mean to recognize that this nation, its institutions and laws, was founded on Biblical principles basic to Christianity and to Judaism from which it flowed.

      As he told an Attorney General’s Conference in 1950, “The fundamental basis of this nation’s laws was given to Moses on the Mount.

      The fundamental basis of our Bill of Rights comes from the teachings we get from Exodus and Saint Matthew, from Isaiah and Saint Paul.

      I don’t think we emphasize that enough these days.

      If we don’t have a proper fundamental moral background, we will finally end up with a totalitarian government which does not believe in rights for anybody except the State.”

      • Winddrinker

        Jay, good points. Yes, we should talk more about where our laws originated and what inspired them.

        This country was blessed by God when we followed His Laws.

        We started suffering when we began following the laws of secular men. Tolerating political correctness, diversity, and multiculturalism made us accept that which we knew was wrong and immoral.

        Our country has suffered greatly at the hands of those that want to take God out of our lives… There was little resistance to these groups from most Americans. Life was good and none wanted to bother with “rocking the boat.” It was too much trouble. So, now, we are paying the price and very possibly will lose everything because we did not care enough to fight the evil that has settled in this country.

        Jay, I particularly like your last sentence.

    • Winddrinker

      Neil, I didn’t deny that there is religious freedom!

      What has “religious freedom” got to do with the fact that this country was founded on Gods Law….and the majority of citizens (in this Christian Nation) claim to be Christians of one denomination or another.

      You don’t like living in a Christian Nation? How about you go to live in the Middle East, there sure aren’t many Christians left over there. The muslims are killing them off as fast as they can.. Maybe you would fit in better with the muslims. They don’t like Christians either.

      • Neil Swan

        Most Americans are Christians. The constitution is for separation of church and state.
        The religious right want to push religious law, but it’s against the constitution. The religious
        right is the American Taliban. They want to push religious law like the taliban does.

        Neil

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          Neil Swan, the so called separation of church and state like you think it does never existed not even in the constitution. The constitution forbade a religious test to hold office but never stated that religious people couldn’t hold office. And most of the FF recognized the hand of God in the affairs of men. Sorry but your assertion doesn’t hold true. You should read some of the works of the FF before you speak so you won’t appear to be too ignorant. Hillsdale College has a good online course on the constitution that is free. Here’s a link:

          http://constitution.hillsdale.edu/ Do yourself and the rest of us a favor and study please.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Neil, what is Christianity to you? How would you define/describe Christianity?

      • Winddrinker

        Neil you are reciting the “progressive play book” and you obviously can’t think for yourself!

        The Constitution doesn’t say anything about “separation of church and state.” So, forget that lie….

        At least you admit that most Americans are Christians..

        Other than that, It is a waste of time to respond to someone that is “ate up with stupid.”

  • Jimbo

    Congress has mandated that individuals pay for air bags, tire pressure sensors, gasohol, health care, birth control, viagra, etc. It’s mandated that we hire quotas of certain races and genders. It has mandated all sorts of licensing and educational requirements for jobs, and safety requirements for businesses. It has formed a standing army, navy, and air force. It spies on our citizens. Takes property from one person to give to a corporation. It hands out our tax money to illegal aliens and foreign governments. It fights wars it has not declared, against nations which have not attacked us. It enters into treaties that violate our laws. It refuses to regulate trade to protect american manufacturers and workers. It prints worthless paper money, and deliberately inflates the supply to pay its bills, thereby destroying our savings, and earning power. And now it wants to slap any of us in jail or in prison and torture us without due process. NONE of these things are allowed in the Constitution. AND CONGRESS and the PRESIDENT KNOW IT. THEY ARE EVIL or STUPID. The only thing that will stop stop these men and women, is for us to WISE UP and boot them out of office, or take literal tar and feather to Washington. Unfortunately, the public is just as stupid. They willingly give up their freedoms to feel “secure”.

    • RichE

      WISE UP Geez! All the other guy wanted was for me to wake up.

    • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

      Jimbo, I can’t find anything to argue about so I’ll say Amen to your post especially the last part “They willingly give up their freedoms to feel “secure””

      • Winddrinker

        Katrael, sounds like this tyrannical government isn’t making anyone feel too secure, these days..

        I think we are just suffering the tyranny without the benefit of getting any security…Just a guess on my part.

        • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

          Winddrinker, I think you’re right. Not even the progressive folk like what’s going on they just don’t understand who’s to blame for it.

  • Art

    We ought to find out who our congressmen were who passed this POS law and have them arrested for treason. They are supposed to represent us not work against us.

  • JOSEPH FOSTER

    When you read about Tyranny most American believe it only happens in other countries, moreover they do not understand that most politicians will use any event to create Laws that takes away our freedom, where it not for the constitution America today will be a police State.
    Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at: http://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Red-Joseph-Foster/dp/1613468121/

  • http://wnettles.wordpress.com wnettles

    To take a citizen without due process and to deny them their freedom to travel, without being charged with a crime, is KIDNAPPING, A CRIME, and, as such, is punishible under current federal, state, and local laws. To assist in such action is to be an accomplice, also a crime, also punishible under the current law. This is a form of SLAVERY, which, if I am not mistake, was OUTLAWED in 1864.

  • http://www.survivingurbancrisis.com/ Silas Longshot

    Another little gem we can thank McCain and company for, who also coauthored the Patriot Act.
    To all you folks with your heads in the sand as 0bama continues to wipe out our rights and freedoms, I DARE YOU to google fema camp map and see what you come up with. All states have at least one, and most have several. And they are all manned and equipped, ready for occupancy.
    Click the name.

    • Winddrinker

      There is an installation that is being readied as a FEMA prison camp about fifteen miles from me.

  • Neil Swan

    Winddrinker
    The fact that most Americans are Christian doesn’t mean we are a Christian nation. We have the freedom to believe in any religion. We shouln’t try to make religious law, let people believe their religion or none. We have religious freeedom in this country.

    Neil

    • Winddrinker

      Neil give it up. You have said this THREE TIMES and I have given you my answer.

      Stop being “stuck on stupid.”

      Yes people have “freedom of religion.” People can worship “Cats” in this country if they want. They can even have little “cat idols” made and worship them. There is no law against it….and that is the point!!

      A Christian Nation allows people the freedom to be or say what they want.. You have the freedom you enjoy BECAUSE WE ARE a Christian Nation!

      Really, you keep making my point for me by pointing out the fact that there is “religious freedom” in America…unlike other Nations that ARE NOT Christian (Iraq, Iran, saudi Arabia, etc. and many others around the world.)

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  • http://NONE Mari bayer

    It is not just the NDAA we need to worry about, there are also the EO signed 16 March
    2012 which I believe reinforces the NDAA. specifically excluding any type of defense
    if applied to a citizen, and HR 347 which was signed in secret by Obama on 17 May,
    and which essentially makes free speech a felony. All this is in line with Obama’s
    speech in 2009 to the US Chamber of Commerce in which he discusses “Preventative
    detention”, and then proceeds to set up so called “FEMA” camps throughout the
    country. All this is veriviable thru Google, SNOPES, Fact Check.com, etc.

    • Winddrinker

      And, that would explain why bho supporters have recently started saying that “people are going to jail for being disrespectful to our president.)” And, a poster told me that I should be shot for commiting treason against the president (he didn’t like what I wrote about the illegal foreigner.)

      Things are really “heating up!” Wondering if we are going to make it to election time. Outrageous laws are being levied on a daily basis that take freedom away, and give government more tyrannical power. Obviously, Freedom of Speech is next on their list right after The Right to Bear Arms.

  • dufas magnet

    I’m not much concerned about the bill at present as we have many wakers arguing it’s passage and even some in law agreeing. Obama has stated he will not use the leg while in office.. We know his word isn’t carved in stone but for arguments sake let’s just say he will abide by his word, what does that tell you? It tells me that as far as the near future Americans can breathe out and not worry about being subjected to gestapo tactics.. It also tells me that it wasn’t passed for the present but for the future, when even the wakers one by one nod off. We’re safe now but nothing was mentioned about the future.. Nothing has been assured that our children and their children will not be subjected to this evil. I think NDAA sections 1021-1022 and sec 1031was instigated for future use.. How far in the future is not known but one thing is certain, like all controversial bills passed, it’s only a matter of time when they become in use abusively. Now you can blame it on Obama or Bush or the next president but what it really comes down to is our congress and the enemy within.

  • newspooner

    Government is out of control at all levels.

  • Rwolf

    COMING NDAA Hell for Americans’ Civil Liberties?

    Americans deemed by President Obama as Belligerent are vulnerable to Arrest and Indefinite Detention under the passed NDAA, National Defense Authorization Act.

    Late Monday 9-17-12 the Obama Administration was able to get Court of Appeals Judge (Raymond Lohier) for the Second Circuit to reauthorize the White House’s ability under (NDAA) The National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 to (indefinitely detain American citizens) without charge or due process. Second Circuit Judge (Raymond Lohier) placed on hold Judge Katherine Forest’s permanent injunction that recently blocked Pres. Obama’s enforcement of NDAA Indefinite Detention provisions until 9-28-12 when a three-judge appeals court panel is expected to take up the issue. Prior the Obama administration stated to Judge Katherine Forest under NDAA the President had authorization to lock up belligerents indefinitely. That they (were justified) to lock belligerents up indefinitely—because cases involving belligerents directly-aligned with militants against the good of America—warrants such punishment.) Pres. Obama could use NDAA provisions unblocked 9-17-12 by Judge (Raymond Lohier) for the Second Circuit to order U.S. Military Forces to round up without evidence, millions of Americans alleging they are belligerents or threat to National Security. Many observers fear Obama intends to extend NDAA, imprison U.S. Citizens in Indefinite Detention not involved with or associated with enemy forces.

    Hitler included similar provisions in his fascist (Discriminatory Decrees signed February 28, 1933). Immediately after German Parliament passed Hitler’s laws, the Reich Government ordered the arrest of German Citizens without probable cause or evidence; delegated power to German Police and other authorities to arrest anyone Nazi authorities claimed attempted or incited public unrest: arrested among others were outspoken Germans, writers, journalists, peaceful protestors and artists. After World War II the East German Secret Police (Stasi) used the threat of Indefinite Detention to forcibly recruit thousands of informants.

    The U.S. 2012 NDAA legislation Obama signed 12-31-11 is similar to Hitler’s 1933 fascist laws the SS and Gestapo used to target persons in Germany for arrest, imprisonment and execution without probable cause; and confiscate millions of dollars of property. Hitler used his laws to suspend Parliament insuring his laws could not be rescinded.

    During the Obama Administration’s recent request for a (stay) to stop U.S. District Judge Katherine Forrest blocking enforcement of vague NDAA provisions, the Federal Government—never clarified what constitutes a (belligerent); or militant; or what belligerent activities (directly aligned with a militant) to order a belligerent’s arrest or indefinite detention; or what is against the good of America. Under NDAA, the U.S. Government or President could claim anyone was (directly aligned with militants) e.g. any political or other association; charge any activity, statement, writing or communication was (directly aligned) with an individual or group the government deemed (militant) to arrest and indefinitely detain Americans. Writers, journalists, Americans that disagree with or question U.S. Government or its allies—may under NDAA be subject to arrest and indefinite detention.

    The 2012 and not yet passed 2013 NDAA, like Hitler’s 1933 Discriminatory Decrees allow forced government censorship; warrant-less searches of private property and forfeiture of property from persons not charged with crime. Provisions in 2012 NDAA keep the door open for corrupt U.S. police; government agents and provocateurs which there are many, to falsify reports and statements to target any American, group or organization for arrest, indefinite detention, complete disappearance; civil asset forfeiture of their property.

    You may have noted NDAA referred to the USA Patriot Act. Under the Patriot Act, lending itself to Government / police corruption, the Federal Government may use secret witnesses and informants to cause arrests and civil asset forfeiture of Americans’ property. Witness(s) and informants may be paid up to 50% of assets forfeited. Federal Government under 18USC may use a preponderance of civil evidence, little more than hearsay to Civilly Forfeit Private Property. Under the Patriot Act innocent property owners may be barred by government knowing the evidence federal government uses to forfeit their property.

    Sections of 2012 NDAA are so broad, it appears U.S. Government or the President could (retroactively) deem an American’s past 1st Amendment activities prior to passage of 2012 NDAA—supported hostilities, terrorism or (Belligerents) to order the arrest and Indefinite Detention of any U.S. Citizen, writer, group or organization.

    Under NDAA It should be expected that indefinitely detained U.S. Citizens not involved in terrorism or hostile activities, not given Miranda Warnings when interrogated, not allowed legal counsel or habeas corpus may be prosecuted for non-terrorist (ordinary crimes) because of their (alleged admissions) while held in Indefinite Detention.

    See Below Hitler’s 1933 Discriminatory Decrees

    DECREE OF THE REICH PRESIDENT FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE PEOPLE AND STATE

    Note: Based on translations by State Department, National Socialism, 1942 PP. 215-17, and Pollak, J.K., and Heneman, H.J., The Hitler Decrees, (1934), pp. 10-11.7

    In virtue of Section 48 (2) of the German Constitution, the following is decreed as a defensive measure against Communist acts of Violence, endangering the state:

    Section 1
    Sections 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124, and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. Thus, restrictions on personal liberty, on the right of free expression of opinion, including freedom of the press, on the right of assembly and the right of association, and violations of the privacy of postal, telegraphic, and telephonic communications, and warrants for house-searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.

    Section 2
    If in a state the measures necessary for the restoration of public security and order are not taken, the Reich Government may temporarily take over the powers of the highest state authority.

    Section 4
    Whoever provokes, or appeals for or incites to the disobedience of the orders given out by the supreme state authorities or the authorities subject to then for the execution of this decree, or the orders given by the Reich Government according to Section 2, is punishable—insofar as the deed, is not covered by the decree with more severe punishment and with imprisonment of not less that one month, or with a fine from 150 up to 15,000 Reich marks.

    Who ever endangers human life by violating Section 1, is to be punished by sentence to a penitentiary, under mitigating circumstances with imprisonment of not less than six months and, when violation causes the death of a person, with death, under mitigating circumstances with a penitentiary sentence of not less that two years. In addition the sentence my include confiscation of property.

    Whoever provokes an inciter to or act contrary to public welfare is to be punished with a penitentiary sentence, under mitigating circumstances, with imprisonment of not less than three months.

    Section 5
    The crimes which under the Criminal Code are punishable with penitentiary for life are to be punished with death: i.e., in Sections 81 (high treason), 229 (poisoning), 306 (arson), 311 (explosion), 312 (floods), 315, paragraph 2 (damage to railroad properties, 324 (general poisoning).

    Insofar as a more severe punishment has not been previously provided for, the following are punishable with death or with life imprisonment or with imprisonment not to exceed 15 years:

    1. Anyone who undertakes to kill the Reich President or a member or a commissioner of the Reich Government or of a state government, or provokes to such a killing, or agrees to commit it, or accepts such an offer, or conspires with another for such a murder;

    2. Anyone who under Section 115 (2) of the Criminal Code (serious rioting) or of Section 125 (2) of the Criminal Code (serious disturbance of the peace) commits the act with arms or cooperates consciously and intentionally with an armed person;

    3. Anyone who commits a kidnapping under Section 239 of the Criminal with the intention of making use of the kidnapped person as a hostage in the political struggle.

    Section 6
    This decree enters in force on the day of its promulgation.
    Reich President
    Reich Chancellor
    Reich Minister of the Interior
    Reich Minister of Justice

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