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Statistics: U.S. population becoming more racially, ethnically diverse

May 18, 2009 by  

Report shows country is becoming more diverseIn a prelude to the 2010 census, the U.S. Census Bureau has released national population estimates that show America is becoming more diverse.

Among the key findings of this preliminary report is that fact that the overall minority population has grown to 104.6 million as of July 1, 2008, and now represents 34 percent of the total population.

Moreover, some 47 percent of the nation’s children under the age of five were a minority in 2008, including 25 percent Hispanics.

The estimates also suggest the largest and fastest-growing minority group are Hispanics, numbering 46.9 million in 2008, up by 3.2 percent from 2007. They are followed by Asians at 15.5 million, an increase of 2.7 percent.

According to, Ken Gronbach, author of The Age Curve: How to Profit from the Growing Demographic Trend, believes this is a welcome trend from the economic point of view.

"Latinos have saved our country," he said, quoted by the news source.
"They represent 14 percent of the population but 25 percent of the live births," he added. "The U.S is the only western industrialized nation with a fertility rate above the 2.2 percent replacement rate."

Others point to the immigration implications of these trends as minority groups tend to have relatives living abroad, and the majority of new immigrants come from Central and South America.

This situation, they say, will make it even more imperative to conduct a comprehensive immigration reform.ADNFCR-1961-ID-19173175-ADNFCR

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  • Kenneth W. Gronbach

    I was interviewed by CNN’s Les Christie for the above article. Once the story hit I began to get hate mail. It is very clear to me that many people do not understand the dynamics of shifting demography and the importance of understanding it. Between 1965 and 1984 the number of babies born in the United States dropped like a stone owing to a misguided belief that “Zero Population Growth” was beneficial. Roe vs. Wade (1973) also played a significant part and our fertility plummeted twenty-five percent after the Supreme Court decision. In 1985 we began to have children again at above replacement level fertility, but the damage was done.

    We have a deficit in our population that is twenty years long. It’s called Generation X. Generation X has nine million fewer people than the Boomer Generation born 1945 to 1964. This means that Generation X can not earn, consume, pay taxes or populate the labor force at the level of the baby Boomers because they simply do not have the critical mass.

    When Generation X entered the entry level labor market twenty years ago they could not satisfy the demand. This sent labor costs soaring and jobs off shore. Latino’s poured into the country to fill the demand unmet by Generation X. Now the bad economy and our own homegrown labor force, Generation Y, born 1985 to 2004 is forcing millions of Latinos to return to their home countries. The remaining Latinos have conveniently filled in the deficit in our population between the ages of twenty-five and forty-four years old.

    As Generation X, now fortified by the remaining Latino immigrants, ages into the stage of life when they will be required to do the heavy lifting in the United states by paying most of the federal, state and local taxes, it is paramount that the Latinos immigrants assimilate as quickly as possible. Most of this assimilation will occur naturally because their culture is very compatible with U.S. culture and they assimilate faster than any other immigrants in the Nation’s history. Without the Latino immigrants our economy would crash in ten years making the current economic crisis look like a cake walk.

    • Robin from Indiana

      The illegal aliens would have to be productive and model citizens to make this work. The majority are here to reap the benefits, not help with stabilizing our country. And many are in gangs and in our prison system. These people do not help the cause. Those who are paid ‘under the table’ are sending money out of our country to those back home and are not paying into the tax system as it is currently set up. Maybe, just maybe if we were to go to a fair tax system the argument might swing a little to their side and how they could help our economy, but as it stands, I do not buy your tirade of how they are saving us.

      • rodin

        The fact is Robin, most of the illegal immigrants are harder working than most “Americans” and our system is dependant upon their exploitation. Our economy would be even better off if it were “above the table” but anything is preferable than sending them all home and putting up a huge fence.

        • Robin from Indiana

          I don’t know where you are from, but I hail from the Midwest where we still have values and hard work is still a part of our vocabulary. Personally I don’t care for any one who takes advantage of our country, whether it be by living on welfare when one is capable of working, or scamming hospitals because they don’t carry insurance, or any form of dishonesty. I am not sure why you defend illegal aliens, but you seem to be passionate about your decision. I am sure there are those who are hard working and are decent people. My only question would be why don’t they come here legally and become American citizens if this be there desire?

        • rodin

          Robin, I’ll be fair to you, since you seem to have an honest question. The same rules that applied to your ancestors when they came to this country, don’t apply to immigrants today. We closed the border and now our immigration policy is much more closed. EVERYONE that crosses the border does so in hopes of WORKING for a better life, the same principal that made your grandparents or great-grandparents want to come over here as well. In economics we recognize the principal of disparity and the artificial valuations that it creates. By marginalizing the illegals we force them into lower paid jobs where they work long hours. Most “Americans” don’t want this work at these pay levels. Our society obtains the “benefits” of this exploitation and the built up stored value of the difference between societal benefit and exploitative cost are what you can use to consider whether we are offering “free” services to these immigrants. I’d much rather be able to calculate this amount directly but that would mean allowing amnesty for all illegals and allowing them to pay for their health insurance. People like you don’t like this option so economists like me have to calculate it indirectly.

        • Bigvinu

          Rodin, you got some solid points. While I personally don’t like the principle of illegal immigration, we have to admit two things. 1) They are people motivated by the same things that drove mine and your ancestors to immigrate and 2) If you deport them, where are you going to make up the work deficit?

        • Bill

          That’s the lie of the Century Rodin. As an employer I can tell you “Your Wrong”. Immigration law needs to be changed drastically. No more ress 1 for english. No more spanish re-print. Learn english if you wish to re-locate here. People like you seem to think that we must assimulate to them. Your Wrong Again! They must assimulate to us. It’s not their country it’s ours. Learn the rules and culture or go home where ou belong.

      • http://yahoo Harold Hartsock

        Dear Robin
        I am grateful to hear you speak up.The problem accelerated with Ted Kennedys 1965 immigration proposal that changed immigration law favoring third world country immigration and inhibiting Europeans.K. Gronbach falselly presents it as a economic issue, is it a genic issue we are loosing our idenity and culture.This country became great with European influence we are loosing it by bedroom genocide.Most of the great nations Greece Egypt and Rome have failed largely from immigration and genic degration of the citizens.Have you heard the experssion divide and conquer?It comes from and old enemy.

        • Bigvinu

          So my family’s contributions to the country are not valued because we are Indian-Americans? If there’s one thing I can’t stand more than ignorant hate is people that know damn well what they’re saying yet convince themselves that it’s the truth.

    • mike

      claro que si you are correcto

  • Joe Tomei

    Wow! If ever I have heard a one sided debate on illegal immigration, this one takes the cake!

    As illegals filed into America either getting pregnant before or imediately after they entered the USA to attach themselve to the benifits of having born a legal resident to our welfare roles, the population exploded enormously in the last two decades.

    Initially with the influx of supposed inexpensive labor the business sector jumped on board the train of hiring of illegals at number rates. Taking on all our blue color jobs areas across the nation, especially in manufacturing. These were areas where many midddle class Americans would work until we reverted back to a “Sweat Shop” mentality where many foreign business owners came to place like LA for the “cheap labor forcees from Mexico and South America” Where we ahd in place a social wlefare state that by law was in place to take care of these people and encourage illegal immigration in record numbers for over three decades without any controls
    on these amounts of people migrating here until it was too late to really do anything about it, enter 2009′. Well here we are with record deficits and for what? Figure it out!
    This is fact!

    Some of the reasons the well to do youth of the generation x and many of the more so called well educated and upper middle class Whites, African Americans, and many Asian groups of workers and also their younger siblings refused to work in physical labor jobs was based on the idea implanted by their “Yuppy parents” for decades they could have someone mow the lawn, take care or rearing their children and physical work was for the “Wetbacks”. Especially in states like California and New York.

    These younger generations of American people found education, establishing their careers before starting families was a priority. A lesson in population decrease for a short period of time and a lesson we should sell to Mexico!

    A lesson learned from their of parents from large familes. these older generations who could not really afford teh families they started since this was the way a long time ago. since jobs were readily availlable.

    Enter the generation X who were discouraged from starting a family before they had a college degree and or a profession established.

    So was the past culture of many American states since we then had a huge manufacturing sector that could provide substantial employment for the majority of Blue collar Americans across the country. Not until the ogovernement began to ship our manufacturing overseas, bring in cheap labor from Mexico, South America, and other countries did we get into the dilema we are now facing.

    It isn’t like the Mexicans saved us! They just took advantaqge of legislation the was passed by our states especially Claifornia to give benifits to these people that would eventually overwhelm the job market, abuse our medical system, abuse our social welfare systems , dramtically effect our culture since they wouldnot assimulate, overwelm our economic system since they do not pay enough taxes and use more than they produce. They have affectivley overwelmed our education system and the huge crimnial impact on all of our country. These Illegals not impact our economy from the extensive costs related to their illegal immigration, but the fact they do not spend but export billions of subsistance to the Southern American Countries and Mexico annually without ever being used at a minimum of one time before that US produced income has any benefit from it being produced here.

    They pay little or no taxes, steal identitiy to do so and now are demanding citizenship, and payment from our social security system for what they claim they have paid into the system. How can people that are here illlegally, reap the benifits of our social welfare system, steal our citizens Identity to work and live here have the audacity to make any demands from our country or governent?

    Yes they have overpopulated our country “ILLEGALLY”. Gease, thaks for all you have done to voerpopulate us!

    Where are our laws? Where is the common sense that goes along with the impractical inpact of these people?

    I can say this if the Mexican people never came here many Americans would be better off. Have better work ethics , would have not goten lazy and the country would be betteroff politically also!

    We would have a better manufacturing sector because the blue collar workers of America would do the jobs this group basically dominated by an overwelming incontrolled and illegal migration. This was supported by big business and you can now see the impact on the economy and the results of the Amrican people having to chnage occupations midlife, entire sectors of jobs lost to what was then received as inexpensive labor but once entrenched in our economy raised the labor coasts to whewre they were before they arrived. This is fact, not fiction.

    As far as population growth! The world could have managed itself much better if it were not for being over populated by the people that have all of these children with no way of paying for them from the time they are born to a social system that was structured to pay their medical, feed them and educate tehm and basically encourages over population from this social group. If ever there was a great disaster on the horizon look at California. It is already prevelant here and the few that pay taxes are now faced with a Forty Billion Dollar deficit because of this fiasco!

    That is reality is that is the only benefit of over population explosion and out of control illegal immigration controls and migration from the silent invaders from the South!

    A people that the only thing I can think of they bring to the game is some cheap labor, Tortillas, overpopulation and an overwelming abuse to the resources we provide from the taxpaying citizens of the USA , and many more unwanted dependent mothers and their kids!

    Thank you for your illeagals. They have made a real impact on our country.

    Picaro Joe

    • Bob A

      VERY WELL SAID !!!

      • Annie

        What planet are you on?? Why don’t you move to California for a few years and tell me about all the groovey things the MAJORITY of immigrants are doing for the country. Legal or not they have brought California to its knees, people of no colour are leaving in droves because it’s just becoming another Mexico. Have you heard of the kidnappings, drug-cartels, shootings, and poverty in Mexico, Oh! and you’ll die if you drink the water. Bob, what planet do you live on???? Yeah, i want to live in Mexico, NOT LIKELY!

        • Bigvinu

          Actually, Southern Mexico is quite culturally adept and has a lot of beautiful scenery and culture. Teotihuacan, Cancun, other Meso-American ruins, beautiful beaches, a rich history of indigenous as well as conquistadors provides an awesome experience. You should go sometime.

    • rodin

      The reality is that you’re a racist, bucktoothed, trailer trash, uneducated intellectual imp. If you ever do any serious research you would discover every one of your assumptions to be lies and false propaganda. Get a job at Walmart because the immigrants you’re so quick to rant about are more intelligent, proud and hard working than you will every be. I’d much rather hire any of them than you.

      • 13th Gen. American

        When you libs cant argue a point because your just wrong you call names. Facts are facts. No one is saying no immigrants. Just no sneekie illegal takin our walmart jobs.You also would hire them coz all you have to do is pay them a pack of cigarettes for a days work. But then while YOU are in Antarctica youll need them to shovel snow.

      • Annie

        Yeah, and that’s why we’re all trying to get into Mexico to live and work. People who throw around the racist card (like Obama) are usually racists themselves.
        You hate Americans for demanding that their borders are secure???
        Go back to Mexico!

      • Joe Tomei

        I am an American born and raised here! I watched the illegals come across the border like rats infiltrating a sugar bowl!

        I really do not care who comes here as long as they do it legally, abide by our laws, assimalate into our society, obey our laws and “the American Taxpayer does not have to pay their way”while they do what they do. That is like you said multiply and overwelm our economic and social system.

        The information that I relayed is fact! You just have to learn to read in english I guess before you will truly understand.

        As far as work, I am self employed, mow my own lawn and care for myself without
        the infringement of sop many illegals. I am not here to take careof these peopl just
        pay taxes for what I used to think was America and not a place wjhere people come to take advantage of our genreous social and economic system.

        People like you are in total denile and all you can do is raise the racist flag when you are given the reality of fact and the situation here in America, since we have been overwelmed by too many illegal immigrants. you will soon see that when too many people are on the dole there just are not enough of us “taxpayers” to support
        all third world poulations. A life boat can only jhold so many! It is time we claos e our borders and safe gaurd our country from the overwelming influx of so many illegals.

        Call me what you will, facts are facts. Most Illegals never like to hear the truth and maybe you are one of those.

        The American people have had enough and it will eventually change since the economy, even though it is America just cannot support any more illegals!
        Califronia is a prime example of this debacle and cal it as you will.

        If someone comes here legally, obeys our laws, and not here for the bennys
        pays their fare share of taxes, gets insurance when they get a car, pays their bills,
        and spends their money here not sending it out of the country, then yes these people
        desrve to be in America.

        Ther is a old cliche “When in Rome do as the Romans” That rule apllys to America
        and all countries.

        It is as though Spanish is becoming our fiorst language. Do you think this is right also?

        This is our Country and our first language is English. Learn it or leave it is the attitude of many Americans. Most are just afraid to say what they feel for some political reason.

        Do you think it is right for people to just come into a country with no respect for the culture, laws or an established system approved by its leaders for the benifit of the country?

        Who are you to call anyone in The USA a racist just because we are fed up with the way the illegal immigrants have overwelmed our country and its way of life. Because of some loopholes in our constitution that have been condoned far too long.

        There is a way to come to America and it is not by the methods of the mutimillions that have come here to live with no regards for the country they inhabit.

        It is our own fault. The LIberal Socialist Elites have done this for cheap labor and for the subserviency of these people.

        Yes you can call me what you will, facts are facts! You just have to read statistics and look at the country as a whole and how it has changed in the last 20 years. you have to be standing where I was at one time and have to contend with this situation.Americans have lived with these conditions far too long. Now it has affected even some wealthier individuals and as taxes rise to pay for the overhead and funds are just not available, You masses will hgave to make some life altering decisions.

        It is about time!

        Picaro joe

        • Bigvinu

          Man, well said. The only grievance I have is this, immigration is not easy anymore.

          Not because of overcrowding, but bureaucracy and corruption. We have way too much red tape to the immigration process and there is so much room for corruption (approve my application and I’ll slip you $XX,XXX).

      • Bill

        Thank you for exposing yourself as the reason America has the problems it does. What a shame Margerate Sanger missed you.

  • http://internetexplorer Rosebud

    Kenneth W. Gronbach you are out of your mind. If you consider overpopulation and becoming a third world country good then I think that all is lost! We have heard for years now about how the baby boomers had almost broke the bank and we needed to slow population down. Now you are saying it is good that we are having babies by large numbers is good. Has this nation gone insane? I guess if you think low wages, over taxed by states and by federal government, overcrowded schools, welfare being broke by illegals, hospitals going broke from free medical to illegals, and that my tax dollars are going to feed people that don’t work is good for this country, I must be living in heaven. What a crock of S*T. California can’t pay their bills because of the illegals that won’t work. Guess who gets to bail them out more than once!!!!!!

    • rodin

      Rosebud – Please, finish your high school before you post on the web. It will save us all a lot of grief.

      • http://BellofficeMachines Keith Kosier ( New Orleans )

        I have seen Little Upper midwestern towns go to hell in the past 10 years from this invasion. 2 police Dept. in a town of 3000 to 12. Crime almost unheard of up 1000 percent. And their little Happy Days town local schools is madness. Or maybee im just a racist and i really did not see this..I can not be the only one that seen this. Please respond…

        • Joe Tomei

          The irony is our government, at least the democrats are approving this influx of illegals since their belief is when these masses reach/form a third generation of people like we are seeing today, they will have the support they need to stay in power for fifty more years. That is waht you call government control no matter the cost to the rest of the country.

          We all need to orgaize a third political party that will have the voice of the current majority before it is too late. The next election will be the only window of opportunity
          maybe for the remaining life of America as we know it today.

          Look at the laws they are passing in Congress already adn so quickly.

          The results of these laws will not be felt for another 6 months to a year. Then you will see the dominating effect of the real agenda of Obama. this is called progressiveism and socialism. These people have been organizing this for the last five years and havce just now sprung it on to the “silent majority” before we realized what happened to us so we could not react fast enough for this last election.

          Look at accorn and this organization. The taxpayer has paid for Obama to be elected.

          He will now pass the lillegal immigrant amnesty program which is the next big surprise to America and all these people will be dancing in ther street in defiance of
          our laws, opinions and then the sh..will really hit the fan! If you know what I mean?
          TEll your neighbors, it is coming and we must all organize for the next elections to take our country back!

          When eisenhower was president he orgaized what he called “Operation Wet Back.”
          He shipped over 12 million illegals back across the border that were here illegally!
          That is what I call a president that took necessary measures.

          We ( the current majority) all need to unite in this effort as I and thousands did for the nations “Tea Parties”

          God help and Bless America!

          Picaro Joe


        • http://yahoo Harold Hartsock

          This Gov. is not for America .Politicans and big businessus make a quick buck on cheap labor and middle class America gets the bill for well fare and crime.K. Gronbach likely supports illegals and violation of our country`s laws.Everyone I know favors their deportation immediately.It will soon be too late for our European majority to save ourselves as we are regetfully rapidly becoming a minority.If Americans choose not to retialiate we may eventually end up like a socialist banana republic you find in South America.

      • http://www Charlene Melancon


        So what are your credentials and education. You now are able to ascertain a person’s education by their written thoughts. Well aren’t you special.

        Where are your statistics to support your “opinions” and what makes you such an expert on economics?

        So what do you think is the reason California has such a deficit? Do you know how many illegal immigrants reside in CA, what is their present contribution to the tax roles, how many illegal immigrants access free medical care for pregnancies and surgeries, and what does CA spend for education on illegal immigrants?

        You certainly can give your opinion and you also are very quick to name call anyone that has a differing opinion than your own.

        • rodin


          There are opinions and there are reasonings. Anyone can have the former. And yes, generally a post secondary education can be positively correlated with higher wisdom.

          I’m not name-calling anyone because they have a different opinion than my own. I’m generally fed up with the idiots that propose simple ideas popular because they fester on our more negative base human emotions. There is no context of a bigger picture, no realization of the overall societal and economic forces at work, and no thoughts for a general solution… only fear and prejudices working on unfounded and grossly inflated lies.

          The ignorant “people” that propagate these ideas and lies are more dangerous by an order of magnitude to every society where they’ve been historically placated, and with catastrophic results every time.

          Study your history – the greatest and most societies the world has known in terms of longevity and economic prosperity have all been polyglots of different cultures melding together and feeding off their different backgrounds. The Romans, the Greeks, the Holy Roman Empire, the Ottomans, and yes even the USA – all had (and are having) their greatest days when their societies were opened to the outside. The same principals upon which we base our economic values, ie free-est trade, are the same as create a strong society. Those weak minds that operate from fear and prejudice and seek to separate the world into various “us and thems” only work to tear it apart. In the end everyone becomes a “them”

          Be inclusive in your thinking and stop looking for the “easy” solutions of which they are neither.

      • http://yahoo Harold Hartsock

        Dear Rodin

        Did you miss your history class Egypt Greece and Rome all fell after excessive infusion of inappropriate immigration.Their genic idenity was reduced to a lower mentality over the generations and those societies could not maintain the greatness that had been achieved by their predessors.

        • rodin

          Obviously you have a slightly different and more simplistic view on those civilizations. If you look at it a little deeper though, their societies had become complacent and inward looking. The power structures withing the governments became entrenched and instead of having new blood to rejuvenate their system, they propagated an internalized bureaucracy and became more caste oriented. OK I’m simplifying a lot… sorry I don’t have the time to write a couple of books.

          However, I’ll give you an absolute – Great cultures ALWAYS grow with openness and contract when they close themselves off. It’s the same with societies as it is with economics.

  • david berkland

    all illegala aliens should be DEPORTED

    there should be no chain migration allowed

    ancjhor babies should be outlawed

    we can get enough highly skilled immigrants from all over the world

    we do not need the lowest classes of south america and mexico who seek to kill steal and breed on us

    they can barely speak their own language and are often illiterate and go on welfare as oon as anchor baby is explained to them

    • rodin

      Have another beer and ponder that maybe ALL immigrants should be deported. Starting with the initial Mayflower descendants and then working forward. Better yet let’s just get rid of the white trash. Anybody with an IQ less than 100 gets to go to……Antarctica.

      • Mike1968

        Rodin – don’t let your mom forget to pack your cold weather gear for you…

      • Annie

        Dear Rodin, the descendents of the Mayflower made this country great, they were a gifted, blessed, and accomplished people, perhaps the greatest ever.
        They put together a system of government that has never been seconded on giving liberty to the people. Our people saved the world in WWI and again, on two fronts, in WWII. Our problem now is that we have allowed a bunch of liberal socialists to take the controls. But, don’t worry we didn’t wrest this country and then make it great, to loose it to a collection of loosers. You see, we’re getting mad, and we’re fed up, so watch out for us, we’re ready to play at your game, you racist, unthankful, ignorant Asshole.

        • fire letterman

          Annie, this is a very interesting discussion on this site. the mayflower may have brought some very fine people, but also some of the ships that went out from europe to america, new zeeland, austrailia etc. were “dumps” that hauled off the rejects to let the chips fall where they may, if they survive they survive if not, good riddance. and surprise surprise, they dun good. LOL

          the main thing is if people, no matter what color, or what brains,
          follow the LAWS OF GOD and do not steal, weather it is the boss stealing from workers, or workers stealing from the boss, or do not kill etc.

          REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY is a commandment that the usa has flopped on, for going on a couple of decades, and THAT is why they are flopping. why should GOD honor them with blessings etc. if american busy beaver workers can’t even take off one day to THANK GOD?

          if liars and sneaks and murderers are coming over the border, it is a pain.
          if GOOD PEOPLE with a tan are coming over LEGAL. “Welcome Aboard.”

      • Toby

        Rodin, I perceive that you are an illegal alien. I hope that you return to Mexico soon. In the meantime, may God have mercy on you and grant you peace as you try to deal with your racial hatred and also the hatred you have in your heart for America.

      • http://yahoo Harold Hartsock

        This AMERICAN white trash has an average IQ of 102 .Who has done the most to make life better for man?Your answer is WHITES ,they have created nearly all of the great things for mankind and shared it with the world!William.Stokley invented the transistor that led to the chip and computer technology,James Williamson discovered the double helical DNA ,I could go on and on but of course you are very jealous and I need not waste my time.

      • http://BellofficeMachines Keith Kosier ( New Orleans )

        Lets take just one group of Euro Americans. The French Cajuns. No education, got kicked out of Canada and every state allong the way. Then got stuck in the hottest , swampest area in the USA. ( Louisana) Built great homes, education, interest structure,and great food . Now let me see, can our friends south of the border pull that one off or would it look like their home country “Madness”. Just maybe their might be something in the DNA causing this. Is it possible ? Someone set me straight. If you want about 500 more examples i can do it.. By By

        • rodin

          Well Keith…. you’ve sunk to the level of genetic racism. If what you say is true then obviously you want to take it to the next level and purify the citizenry. Pur-laine as the french canadiennes say. Every homogenized society likes to flirt with the concept of ethnic cleansing, through some ethnocentrist sensibilities, but it’s only the sickest that actually espouse it.

          I’d suggest you take a pill and chill. It’s going to be an awfully long and unrewarding life if that’s your attitude.

  • David

    I would like to know what happened to the African American (Blacks). The article mentions Hispanic and Asian are the 2 fastest growing and says that Asians are 15.5 million strong, but I think that there are more Blacks than that, so there is a factual error in the article.

  • mike

    The reason they are doing these jobs is that when they enter the USA ILLEGALLY , most of them do NOT speak ENGLISH ,our national language, are UNEDUCATED compared to the average ENGLISH speaking Americans and are UNSKILLED LABORERS. LEGAL American CITIZENS do NOT get jobs they are NOT qualified for , so why should ILLEGAL ALIENS ? The fact they they are exploited by some employers , including employers of their OWN RACE, is because they are ILLEGAL and have little LEGAL remedy. The LAWS were made so immigrants would NOT be taken advantage of. The reason this is a better country than where they came from is because we have a better LEGAL system than they do. They and their white liberal supporters play the RACE CARD at every chance but don’t want to obey the LAWS that made this a great country for them to immigrant to in the first place. Even as an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT , they are better off than where they come from or they would not stay even when being exploited , robbed , kidnapped tortured and murdered by their own people !!!

  • http://personallibertydigest daniel

    The United States imports more oil from Mexico than any other nation. Because of NAFTA hundreds of thousands of U.S. Jobs are now in Mexico. In the early 1990′s the United States Government bailed out Mexico to the tune of 40 billion dollars. And still people flood this country from Mexico to obtain better living conditions. The border should be closed. The federal government should have processing stations in each of the border states and allow a certain quota each year. After the quota is fullfilled-no more. And that quota should be miniscule for a period of time giving the 12 to 15 million illegals time to assimilate. Don’t punish people trying to get in the U.S. when the Mexican government can’t get it’s act together. But don’t burden the U.S. taxpayer anymore with illegals. Build a fence and enforce the law!

  • Dale

    Oh good. I’m glad to see that rodin was given a
    release from his cell to once again pontificate
    and regale us with his superior wit & wisdom. If it
    weren’t for his slinging unprovoked & unfounded
    insults like a chimp throwing his poop, I just couldn’t
    make it through the day. He’s like those radio talk
    show hosts who some say are simply “entertainers”
    with little substance. But to me he’s more like a
    combination of Keith DO’berman, Don Rickles and
    Joan Rivers. I take that back. Even those three
    entertainers have at least a little couth.

    • rodin

      Dale, you make my day. So nice to see you’ve come out of your trailer again. Didja run out of corn-mash.

      • fire letterman

        why do people pick on people who live in trailors? many trailors are 110% better than rinky dink apartments in the city. how many homeless people
        would really appreciate a trailor?

        why don’t you say “liar trash” or “thieving trash” or “cheating trash” or “pompous trash” or “rich trash” or “hollyweirdo trash”? how many times do you hear about some hollyweirdo floppsie and floozie who prattles on about his “trailor”, like brag brag, “i’ve got my own private trailor”. OH! maybe that is the trailor trash you refer to. “hollyweirdo trash”. oh, in keeping with the times: “commedian trash”. or maybe NOBODY is “trash”.

  • Crow Feather

    Some immigration is fine. A whole sale invasion must be stopped. We are no longer a country. We are borderless and law is breaking down.

  • J. G.

    The point some are missing:i The U.S. did not have “replacement level fertility” due to “zero population growth.” Look up those terms first. then comment. Generation X was not large enough to support the infrastructure (I.e. pay taxes to keep the system running). Then, our taxpayer base grew due to the influx of hispanic immigrants. It’s rather ironic.


    Senior Rodin: If we ever get to debate on this subject, I would prefer to have Joe on my side (after an English course.) He seems to have lived in the real world and not in a statistical college in Washington.
    We do agree that the south of the border types are hard workers–
    if they haven’t discovered the financial rewards of having “anchor babies” to further over populate our latin neighborhoods, while they drink beer and watch spanish programs on T.V.
    You know of course that it cost a U.S. citizen $9,000 a year per person to pay the expenses of harbouring the “Illegal Invaders.”
    They are BANKRUPTING our Hospitals with never paid emergency room trips; Retarding our regular students with kids that “no speaka de englis”; BANKRUPTING our Tax payers who have to build new prisons to house the Illegal Invaders {who want to make up their own set of laws}; BANKRUPTING our charitable institutions for food & clothing; and are chomping at the bit to get on Social Secutity as well even though they don’t pay many taxes.
    If we sent them South on the new super highways we are building; there would not be any fuel shortages. The U.S. bailed out Mexico with billion$ of dollar$ and the collateral was supposed to be the oil fields. Early on they “NATIONALIZED” or robbed the oil companies of America in true “Marxis” fashion –of their equipment and we are forced to pay for the oil. The second highest source of income for Mexico is money sent home by the Invaders in the U.S.A.
    There are some lies that say the fense our legislators voted to pay for —would not be effective. HOWEVER the BERLIN Wall {fence} kept Millions of West Germans in the East; Israel has cut Suicide Bombing way down with their wall or FENCE; The Great WALL of China kept the Muslim hordes out of China. Yes! some of the Invaders get through — BUT, Most are stopped. It’s funny, we can build an effective fence to keep most of the weapons from reaching GAZA from Egypt but we can not reallys build one on the south to keep out the Illegal Invaders.— Arnold B.

    • http://BellofficeMachines Keith Kosier ( New Orleans )

      I got to say Miss Rodin Mr. Brian does have some good points. What i think he is trying to say he likes them as a person not as a race. The truth is the White race can survive without the Mexicans but they can not survive without us. If we moved to the moon ( Never Know) they if they can will be hidding somwere on that flight. It will be like the Movie The Fifth Element hiding in the luggage ready to pop out saying” No Eglas” my friend.. I probally spelled that wrong so do not come after me, Thanks

  • rodin

    Well ThankYOU Mr Brian for giving me “Seniority” LOL.

    You are a RACIST and your insipid, moronic comments have no validity in truth. Beer swilling and overpopulating belong more to the trailer trash “white” folk culture than to the “latinos” you mention. Travel this country and you’ll see a lot hard working immigrants, legal and not, that contribute to the economy in ways you probably cannot.

    Assuming they ever need to use the medical and educational systems, their “payment” for the services is more than adequately covered by the difference between their value and the exploitive wages we pay to them. If you want real world examples of this check out the medicare systems of most European countries where it is a MIX of public and private services and operates at very high levels of efficiency. Medicare around the world is an extremely complex issue and most governments, including our own, have been experimenting and will continue to experiment with various delivery mechanics and mixes of public and private. YOU HAVEN’T GOT THE BEGINNINGS OF A BRAIN CELL TO BE ABLE TO ARGUE THIS ISSUE SO PLEASE DON’T SPEW YOUR INSIPID MUSINGS UNTIL YOU’VE ACTUALLY BEEN INVOLVED IN POLICY FOR HEALTHCARE DELIVERY AND STUDIED IT FROM A WORLD PERSPECTIVE. RACIST ARGUMENTS HAVE NO PLACE HERE.

    And BTW your arguments (FACTS??) about fences are incomprehensible. I have no idea why you state that West Germans were held on the East side of the fence and what that accomplished for the security or economic well-being of West Germany. The Great Wall of China is in the NORTH of China while the Muslims are much further to the WEST and South WEST. PLEASE GET AN EDUCATION. I know it’s hard for bucktoothed hillbillies to go back to school, but you need to save us from your stupidity. As for the Israeli wall, it’s too freaking complicated to argue any points with you on this… suffice to say, it will probably be a temporary measure and be brought down to increase the eventual security of that country, much like we had to close down Abu Ghraib.

    Oh yeah, also a brief history of the Mexican oil company nationalization in 1938 would be helpful for you, but you don’t have the perspective to be able to handle the knowledge.

    • http://BellofficeMachines Keith Kosier ( New Orleans )

      Rodin, I just have this to say. Go hang out in East La at a local store for a couple of days and come back and give me a report. ( if your allive). Then go hang out at the so called White Trash store and give me that report… now tell the truth!

      • rodin

        Who said that East LA wasn’t a scary place to be. Now how do you want to FIX IT. Through the same discriminatory policies that created it in the first place or by actually allowing opportunity and hope to prevail. Right wing policies have never worked, they just feel good to the vindictive punishment centered part of human thinking. What DOES work is long term forward thinking to provide for future opportunities for ghetto dwellers of ANY race – including the white hillbillies.

  • Jenna

    The ,millions of Mexican Nationals that are here illegally have not helped our Country at all. The government spends billions of dollars on them each year in entitlements., education, ,low income housing, medical care, housing, ECT. WHY?
    Why should the American taxpayers pay for another Countries poor?

    Congress has helped the Illegals every step of the way and so have the last 4 Presidents, including Obama.
    The Democrats want to give them “everything”, even Citizenship, so the Democrats could control every election. Americans who want to keep their Country, must not let that happen

  • s c

    Apologists for DC’s leaders are at best inept historical revisionists. They prefer an engineered slavery to freedom. One Stalin was plenty. Mao was no champion of true freedom or ‘social justice.’ And yet, America seems to have an unending supply of believers who refuse to admit that Hitler, Stalin, Mao and 2,000+ years of similar insanity have no place in a free society. A difference of opinion is one thing. It would be an improvement if some could learn to express themselves without resorting to a constant stream of mean-spirited insults. The focus of this great web site is the love of freedom – not a patronizing hatred of those who love and practice free speech.

  • minnie

    People from Mexico come to the U.S, most of them are working with a stolen social security card. There is the real owner (victim) then there is from one to three illegals using the same number. They tell their employers they have ten kids, to receive all their paychecks and pay little or no tax, they know the system by word of mouth from other illegals. Most of them do not file their income taxes. Their employers report the income, the victim is left with under reported income . This illegals send half their money to mexico. So there is no way they help our country, just ask anyone of those victims.


    I am not biased toward those immigrants who legally come into the United States, immigrates is what built our nation. I must admit I am for all immigrants learning the English language. With this said let me get on with the purpose of this response.

    We cannot figure out why the immigrants are out numbering the natural born citizens of our nation, yet, much of the answer lies right under our noses when truly looked at. Let me first say, this is not a response to begin an abortion debate and I will not get into one with anyone, but is just some simple facts to make one realize just what we have done to ourselves since 1973 when abortion was legalized in the U.S.

    Since 1973, there have been over 50 million of what would have been natural born United States citizens aborted. This is equivilent to the current populations of Oregon, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, and Mississippi with over another million unborn American citizens to be aborted this year alone. Add the natural born United States citizens these 50 million people would have produced and it does not take a rocket scientist to see what is happening to the United States natural born population.

    During the last 36 years, we have aborted a huge part our nations future!

    • fire letterman

      do you think maybe they should let killer tiller’s killer off?
      (or a slap on the wrist.)

      • JERRY

        Absolutely not. No one has the right to take the life of an abortion doctor or anyone else. But, the same holds true concerning Dr. Tiller who has absolutely no right to take the lives of the unborn children.

        But, even if Dr. Tiller’s killer gets off, and I hope he doesn’t, neither will escape the Eternal Judge of the Universe, GOD ALMIGHTY. It is HE who we must fear, and when we fear HIM more than man, then, and only then, will our nation begin to come around to some form of sanity once again.

        Charles Carroll – signer of the Declaration of Independence said:
        “Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure…are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments.” [Source: To James McHenry on November 4, 1800.]

        Benjamin Franklin stated:
        “God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this. I also believe that, without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel” –Constitutional Convention of 1787 | original manuscript of this speech

        “In the beginning of the contest with Britain, when we were sensible of danger, we had daily prayers in this room for Divine protection. Our prayers, Sir, were heard, and they were graciously answered… do we imagine we no longer need His assistance?” [Constitutional Convention, Thursday June 28, 1787

        So many today have come to the conclusion that we no longer need the aid of GOD ALMIGHTY

        • jerry


      • jerry

        No, I Do not believe Scott Roeder should be let off the hook, he took the law into his own hands and took a human life. However, on the other side of the coin, Dr. Tiller also took many human lives. Our nation needs to get back to the biblical basics of law and freedom, only then will we see an end to this madness which has swept through our nation the last 40 years.

        We ask GOD to bless our nation while at the same time aborting over 1.2 million children each year and allowing every other abominable sin to run wild throughout our nation. Many like myself, can see the judgment of GOD coming as the blessings of GOD upon our nation seems to be disappearing at an alarming rate since September 11, 2001. Abortion, homosexualality, drunkenness and illegal drug use (sorceries) have become the accepted norm for much of our society today, all of which are great sins and even abominations against GOD. We need to listen to what our founding fathers knew and understood concerning the sustaining ties between GOD and country.

        Charles Carroll – signer of the Declaration of Independence said:

        “Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure…are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments.” [Source: To James McHenry on November 4, 1800.]

        Benjamin Franklin stated:

        “God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this. I also believe that, without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel” –Constitutional Convention of 1787 | original manuscript of this speech

        “In the beginning of the contest with Britain, when we were sensible of danger, we had daily prayers in this room for Divine protection. Our prayers, Sir, were heard, and they were graciously answered… do we imagine we no longer need His assistance?” [Constitutional Convention, Thursday June 28, 1787]

        Sadly, many have come to the conclusion that we no longer need the aid of ALMIGHTY GOD and we are seeing our nation begin to self destruct from within.

        I am not GOD, nor am I worthy to judge anyone, but, my personal opinion is that neither Tiller or Roeder knew GOD or neither of them would have been in the positions they were in. Once again, only GOD knows and that is where I will leave this subject. I do hope I am wrong and truly hope that by their faith in JESUS CHRIST they are in heaven.

        If you are a Christian, the truth is that when you proclaimed JESUS CHRIST as your Lord and Savior then you chose to follow the most pro-life person ever known to mankind. In fact, JESUS was not only pro-life, HE was and is the CREATOR of all life! HE Created mankind in the image of HIMSELF, that being GOD, thus, mankind is not part of the animal kingdom as is being taught to our youth today.

        Gen 1:27 KJV
        (27) So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

        Everything is Created by HIM and for HIM, thus you cannot be pro-abortion and actually be a true follower of JESUS whom is GOD the CREATOR, SUSTAINER and OWNER of all life, yours, mine, and HIS unborn children included!

        Col 1:16-17 KJV
        (16) For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
        (17) And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

        No, there is no common ground between pro-life and pro-abortion ideals. One brings the blessings of GOD, the other brings the judgment of GOD and there is absolutely no middle ground. But it is not to late for our nation, for GOD is a patient and loving GOD, not willing that any should perish.

        2Ch 7:13-14 KJV
        (13) If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people;
        (14) If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

        Let us as a people and a nation turn from our wicked ways and give our nation back to the living GOD and CREATOR and quit trying to play the God of life and death ourselves.

  • J. G.

    The hispanic immigrants are not outnumbering U.S. natives. They are filling a gap in the U.S. taxpayer base which resulted from “zero population growth” practices that were (are?) popular in industrialized/post- industrial nations. A population without replacement-level fertility dwindles. Each new generation, smaller than the previous, must nevertheless help sustain its aging predecessors. This inverted triangle of social responsibility can bring about practices heretofore outlandish, such as age-enforced euthanasia.

    In summary, if we put up that unscalable south border wall, we better get to procraeating. Thankfully, until we get our numbers up, those disagreable hispanics can fill the gap. LOL

  • J. G.

    procreating – typo – mobile device transcriber – hehe

  • Ralph

    When all is said and done, maybe we can all agree that immigration issues needs to be dealt with now, and that Congress and the President need to address these issues as much as any other on the agenda. It is distrurbing that there is such a silence out of Washington on these issues. Also it has become clear that we can no longer continue on classification of citizens as minority when they make up 47 % of the children in America. Whatever happened to the idea that “all men created equal “? I believe it’s time we realize that we no longer living in the 1950′s and that all ethnic groups, ie hispanics, blacks, whites, native anericans, asians, africans, arabs, jews, europeans,…..hang up claims to preferencial treatment and consider themselves Americans and entitled to the rights the Constitution attempts to provide.

    The danger if we continue “minority rights” is that the only remaining minority in our near future, ( based on who is entering our work force ) are white males. Do we really want to go back to the prebellum south? If so, let me know and I’ll tell my son that as a white man he should push “minority preference” as an amendment to the Constitution so he can cash in on what his ancestors missed out on. ( His ancestors did not arrive in America untill the economy was ready for the Great Depression. ) The truth is there is more concern than ever for the rights of immigrant Americans. The truth also is that this is a nation of law, and that illegal is illegal. Congress seems to be avoiding the issue because of the great opportunities political spinsters have to portray reform as an oppression of someone’s civil rights. The failure to act is resulting in the loss living standard for both citizens and non citizens. This issue affects social security, health care, home ownership, government revenues, basic services…yet the Congress avoids the issue……I guess it’s more important to be elected than to serve the nation

    That’s the easy part. Here is the hard issue that may never be resolved. The issue of Abortion is a moral issue that the country will continue to pay for ethically and economically. There is no doubt in my mind that the 50 million who have died by abortion were more likely to have been the individuals who would have grown up to be working, tax paying, social security contributing members of society. But many Americans somehow believe that the right to kill babies is fundamental to the preservation of our civil rights. ( I always found it interesting that many male supporters of the liberal view of women’s rights have always been the most womaninzing men I have ever known with little or no respect for the women in their personal relationships.) For those of us who have married only one woman and have remained faithfull to one woman, and who love our daughters and sons, and have been respectfull of others as a way of living our life, I resent the idea that my defense of an unborn child is seen as an attack of the civil rights movement. I have conceded that many disagree with me on this issue, but I do not question them about their motivations….even if the conclusions they reach are wrong both morally, politically and economically for the future of this nation.

  • mike

    Hey, Rodin- I get it now. Those illegal immigrants just came here to help us lazy gringos out. Please explain to us how the US became the greatest country in the history of the world without them being here for over 200 years. Just like blacks,they and you try to play the race card to squeeze everything out of us you can and to excuse their criminal conduct. If we were the racist you say we are , we would have halted their immigration and deported millions of them. The only racism I see on this site is your comments about whites ( buck-tooth, trailer trash, etc.) Its apparent that your not as intelectual as you want to appear or you would know that millions of illegal immigrants live in trailer parks around the country !! Are you reffering to them as trailer trash also ? Or is that RACIST remark from you just aimed at whites ? I just exposed you for the racist you are . Is it true that you are MEXICAN ?

    • rodin

      Sorry if you mistake my statements. The vast vast vast (how many times can I say this) majority of any race including Whites are good, decent and hard working. This site appears to be heavily weighted with racists. 90% of the people I work with are white and EVERYONE of them would similarly call y’all (sic) trash. I’m assuming you’re white because you have a predilection for separating out the Hispanics and the Blacks. Your attitudes will go well with the Aryan Brotherhood or any of the other neo Nazi groups out there. And I thought we defeated the Nazis in WWII – no they’re alive and well and living in a trailer park near you. Go burn a cross.

      But you do have a point, just as there are a lot of white trash racists, I’ve also run across the corresponding attitudes in other races as well. It’s certainly not limited to whites, we just notice it here in North America more because of our cultural background.

  • Ryan Donks

    Africa for the Africans. Asia for the Asians. White Countries for Everybody?

    Liberals and respectable conservatives agree there is this RACE problem. They say this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

    The Netherlands and Belgium are more crowded than Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlder’s and quote assimilating unquote with them.

    Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.

    What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?

    How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

    And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to it?

    But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

    They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

    Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

  • Ms. B.

    There is one thing contributing to the U.S. citizen birth rate dropping like a stone beginning in 1965 that no-one seems to be aware of or are at least not mentioning — artificial contraception. It was legalized in the 1965 U.S. Supreme Court case Griswold (Planned Parenthood) v. Connecticut.

    The same year Ted Kennedy’s immigration “reform” changed the statistics of legal immigration.

    Some leaders understood what was going on in society in 1965. Birth control (and abortion) had been seen looming on the horizon for quite some time before they were legalized. I think people like Kennedy understood what would happen when they became reality (potential dip in birth rate at least some extent). I am giving him the benefit of the doubt in assuming he did the 1965 “reform” as an attempt to offset a potential dip. Don’t get me wrong – I was never a fan of his. But there has to be a connection between all these “demographic engineering” factors. And like FDR said — Nothing in politics happens by accident.

    I’m pro-life, Catholic, and not a fan of illegal immigration. P.S. Artificial contraception was condemned by all Christian denominations until the Anglicans approved it in 1930. FYI the Catholic Church does allow natural family planning, which has been improved by advances in scientific knowledge in recent decades.

  • bob ranterio

    i love cheese


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