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State Legislators Propose Crackdown On Birthright Citizenship

January 10, 2011 by  

State legislators propose crackdown on birthright citizenship
State lawmakers are pushing for the Supreme Court to re-evaluate what they believe is an "erroneous" interpretation of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution.

According to The Associated Press, Republican leaders from several states unveiled their proposals during a news conference at the National Press Club on Jan. 5. The legislation aims to clarify the automatic citizenship law, which currently grants legal status to children of illegal immigrants who are born in the United States.

The draft bill, which was presented by members of State Legislators for Legal Immigration, would grant states the authority to bestow citizenship on individuals who meet the state's definition of a U.S. citizen — which would include children who have at least one parent who has no allegiance to a foreign country.

The legislation would also enact a compact between states that requires the issuing of two types of birth certificates: One for natural-born U.S. citizens and one for those individuals whom the state does not consider a citizen.

"We want to have our day in court," said Arizona State Representative John Kavanagh (R-Fountain Hills), quoted by the news provider. "All we're asking for is for these bills to prompt the Supreme Court to re-evaluate what we believe is an erroneous interpretation of the 14th Amendment."

Benjamin Johnson, the executive director of the American Immigration Council, said the proposals are an "embarrassing" attempt to reform immigration laws. Johnson added that denying citizenship to certain children would not decrease illegal immigration, but would instead increase the number of citizens without legal documentation.

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  • pascoe

    What’s with the picture of the hispanic woman?

    • Kinetic1

      Gee, is she hispanic? We just wanted a general photo of any nondescript women getting ready to give birth to an “anchor baby”.

      • Michael J.

        Kinetic1,
        Agreed, If it were me, I would have used a photo of Obama’s mother on a gurney journey. Sort of like “Mother’s Affiming Radical eXtremism” or MARX for short. That should still the wimpering of the politically correct here in mambie-pambie land.

      • http://naver samurai

        If she’s hispanic, after she has the baby and send both of them home together. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • who cares

          Samurai, the jokes on you if you are who you claim you are! Under white america you, and kids would be included as an anchor baby. You by saying for God and country would not exempt you and family from racist white folk’s.

          • debalazo

            (offensive attack comment removed)

        • who cares

          Samurai, See what I mean. Kim, post: Actually, She could be Asian, Phillino, Tonga, ect. Final insult by Kim, I dont see a tortilla anywhere. What i discover about my white race is we are two type’s. one of fear, one of courage. not to say it only applies to white’s only, but usually it does. One of fear is unpredictable as a snake, they tend to become bullies, hatefull, selfish, selfcenter domineering from fear, yet they’l volunteer even if they don’t know what they are doing. They brag specially if they served in the military. they wrap aroung the flag, they flag wavers. They turn on you, and bite you. CAREFUL!

          • Granny Mae

            who cares,

            Just because you are white doesn’t mean that you can speak for all whites. My opinion of whites is this. Some of us were given brains and then there are the likes of you that were given mouths and nothing to back them up ! who care, who cares?

        • http://naver samurai

          Too much lib crack and ignorance on a daily basis! I don’t care what her race is, just send them back together. Then you ignorant bleeding hearts can’t say that we are seperating them. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Kinetic1

        You folks believe that Stephen Colbert is really on your side, don’t you?

      • EddieW

        Nice response!!! This is a good thing…if neither parent is an American citizen, the baby born here when they snuck in illegaly, should not be considered an American Citizen!! but till now they have been, ans qualify for all the freebies!!! RIP the taxpayer!!!

    • Kim

      Actually, she could be Asian, Phillipino, Tongan, etc. I don’t see a tortilla on her anywhere….

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Looks Pakistani to me. What’s the difference; illegal is illeagle.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        hey gunner, that second one is a sick bird!!! HeHe!

  • Michael J.

    Half measures, always half measures. The aim should focus on the retroactive deportation of illegals wrongfully extended the title of citizenry under the guise of the misinterpetation of the 14th ammendment by the greedy vote seeking Democrats.

    Initial implementation of said initiative should commence in The Oval Office.

  • chvietvet

    Just how does taking a Constitutional right to citizenship from a person born in the United States conform to the concept of personal liberty? When the colonists came to Jamestown and the pilgrims to Plymoth, what kind of immigrant visas did they have? If they came illegally, then their offspring cannot be considered citizens under the proposed new law, and the illegal status would be passed on to each subsequent generation. So everybody whose ancestors migrated into colonial America, get out!

    • CJ

      Maybe before you try to put two unrelated points together, you might engage your brain, if you have one. The 14th was written to enable those who were previously under the U.S. laws. This EXEMPTED foreign diplomats who may give birth while in the U.S. (as one example) and when somebody is here ILLEGALLY, then they should not be allowed to gain from their illegal act. Yes, the baby had no choice in the matter, but Constitutional Rights are NOT absolute. There are exceptions, meaning somebody will be left out. We are tired of liberals giving away OUR rights to those who are NOT entitled.

      • http://naver samurai

        100% agree with you on this matter CJ. Good post. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • who cares

          samurai, you sound 100% white.

          • Dan az

            You sound illegal to me!But who cares!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            who cares,
            And you sound 100% whacked!!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Since you seem to have something against caucasians (the majority), why don’t you tell us your race? I don’t really care what it is, this is just for GP reasons. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Patriot66

        This is true, but it’s main purpose was so that after the civil war, the states (both North and South) could not disallow citizenship to the freed slaves.

        • Andy

          EXACTLY! So what the hell gave the liberals the right to give away the store? For every anchor baby here, one liberal should take their place in the anchor babies parents country of origin and not be allowed back here until the anchor baby goes home.

          • who cares

            Andy, for once i believe the Idiot Bush was right he wanted to limit your rights. (republicans) It takes a snake to know a snake.

      • who cares

        cj, lets start with you, where would you like to go??

        • Dan az

          I think if you read his statement that you would find he said liberal.And if you are a marxist liberal you should volunteer,Go away gnat your pestering me!

        • http://naver samurai

          Better yet, why don’t he enlist and go to the Middle East somewhere. I don’t care where you go, just go. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Francine Weigle

        To start off I do not respect people who have to insult others for voicing their views when the insulting people seem to feel their opinion, whatever it is is ok or appropiate but no one elses is. Voice your opinion/views but leave the other person alone.

        Everyone is given the privilege of coming to the US legitamately. They do not have to come illegally and then bleed funds that others have paid into all of their lives. I have worked since I was in my teens and paid into Social Security but the way it looks there will be nothing there when I get to the age I will be eligible for the benefits (which will be in a few years).

        Our government has embezeled the funds to fund other programs to benefit themselves (votes, kickbacks, dividends, whatever) and voted to give the funds to illegal aliens. If anyone took money intended for someone else or something else it would be considered embezelment. Why is this not considered embezelment.

        There is an email going around asking citizens to contact their Congressmen and Representatives to place themselves under the same standards, laws and responsibilities as all citizens. They should not be able to vote themselves raises when they already make thousands more a year than most citizens and vote down cost of living raises for the other citizens. They should have to relinquish stock in any companies that have to do with utilities, oil or services that they vote or enact laws that govern these compdities. It would be conflict of interest in any other business.

        Once they are out of office their full salary should stop. Just like the common citizen, they should only get a porting of the salary and their benefits should be the same os ours. When they no longer hold and office they should be under the same laws as we are.

        If they had to live off Social Security and/or Retirement they might not have a hard time relating to having to choose between human food or dog food. Paying their light/fuel bill or buying the human food or dog food. If their medical was guided by the laws ours is they might work harder to cut down on the greed of the drug companies and other companies that are a necessity and not a luxary.

        • Marilyn

          I agree with you Francine. Why are we tolerant of illegal ANYTHING !! When did being a bully, disrespecting our laws, hiding behind the “politically incorrect” crap, and taking something not being entitled become the way of life. I saw my hometown taken over and destroyed because people were complacent,tolerated and feared the agressive behavior of these people that pushed and shoved just like animals to take over. God told us to not be led like lambs to be slaughtered, but look around you and see what we are allowing. I say, if you are doing anything illegal, you should be punished by the law. So where is the enforcement of our laws, ethics,morals or our honor. It has nothing to do with being racist, but that is what we are called because these people have no morals and would rather steal something than be honorable and work for what they get. We need to enforce what is right, and not live in fear or tolerate being bullied, for GOD and country!!!

        • Linda Wigginton

          I agree with you Fran. You are 100% right! Livng in AZ we are over run with illegals.The parents know exactly what they are doing. They come here to have their child, paid for by us, knowing that they will ultimately be able to bring multiple family members here. They are taking over!!!!

    • Lastmanstanding

      chvietvet. I’m not sure how you came up with this one. The Pilgrims and Jamestown happened in the early 1600′s. The Revolutionary war and US Constitution came over 150 years later. Anyone that survived during that time period was one tough human. I’d vote now to “Grandfather or Grandmother” them in if that makes you feel better. (Since we now have a US Constitution) Perhaps others would also. Many do not support illegals having children who become US citizens. The 14th Amendment should be repealed.

      • 45caliber

        It might as well be repealed now since it was meant to insure all previous slaves born in this country were citizens. All of them has since died of old age.

    • lkar

      That seems like a reach of logic. As Laststanding put it, the constitution wasn’t implemented until after the the Revolutionary war. At any rate, I think you are confusing the issue. Rule of law. Many feel the 14th amendment has been hijacked by illegal aliens and their supporters.
      Not to sound completely uncompasssionate to the children (as we know the left will scream “Oh the poor helpless children, it is not their fault, why do you want to kill innocent babies), I believe the compromise is to accept previously issued birth certificates and set a deadline. All future births by illegal alien parents are denied citizenship and deported with the parents. This would also solve your weak attempt to accuse the supporters of this issue of prolifagating a generational lifestyle. The problem is solved at the first birth and deportation!

      • Steve

        yeah….that sounds good the mother has the baby here illegally and instead of giving her a birth certificate we give her, the baby and the father one way tickets home….

        • Francine Weigle

          Sounds about right. They come here wanting to get away from their country and laws. They want to make a better life ofr themselves and then they turn around and want to recreate here what they left whereever they came from. Go figure. If you want that why not stay where you weere to start off. Because every country has figured we are caring and compasionate people but there comes a time when we have to say enough is enough. We have our own homeless citizens, ill children and elderly who are suffering and dieing everyday. A majority of the elderly served in the military services and are treated worse than the illegals who snuck into this country. It appears most of the illegals come her with the direct intention of getting pregnant just so they can take advantage of our system.

    • TIME

      chvietvet

      I normaly don’t just say that someone is “Aggressively Stupid,” but in your case I have no other way to address your post, You are Aggressively Stupid.

      So if you wish to rethink your post please do, if not perhaps a remedial class in History may be in the cards for you.
      Or if your still in school as in 5th grade,of what I am sure you are – Stay in school and perhaps read more than the garbage they give you.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      I believe that was a couple of hundred years before we had a Constitution or became a nation of our own.

    • 45caliber

      chvietvet:

      That would include everyone since the “native” Americans actually came here across the ice into Alaska from Asia. How about getting sensible? Or is that too much of a stretch?

    • marvin

      chvietvet
      you are a little behide times we had no constutition when the pilgrims came here.and no immigration laws, the 14th amendment was for the freed blacks that were forced to come here not someone playing the system,this is 2011 not 1776 you do know that and the law saz you can not be subject to some other country as per mexico africa cuba,in plain english you must be a legal citizen to bestow citizenship up on your children you can not give what is not yours to give,READ THE CONSTUTITION it was wrote for simple people to understand,not simple minded,ALL PERSON BORN OR NATURALIZED IN THE UNITED STATES,AND [[[SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICION]]] the word subject to said a lot here, the only subject here is to being a legal subjuct to the laws and regulations of this country not a subject of some other country part of the immigration laws say learn english fit in get a job support your self if any of the above are not fully meet you are not a citizen and can not betow it up on your children

      • smilee

        Someone born in this country may not be a subject of any other country including the country their parents came from. They then may be subject to the laws of this country. This issue makes a lot of assumptions to come to the conclusions that many are coming to one this site and other conservative sites. To get the change they want they most likely have to amend the constitution as it has been interpreted this way for years and not likely the Supreme Court will here this case.

    • Dan az

      Chvietvet
      The facts are the facts no matter how you want to twist them,before you give your opinion here you need to state the facts as you see them and give us what they are based on!
      14th Amendment
      The ratification of the 13th Amendment was a major victory for the North, and it was hoped that with the Emancipation Proclamation and the 13th Amendment, the effects of slavery in the United States would quickly diminish. The original plan to readmit states after acceptance of the 13th was supported by President Andrew Johnson, but the Radical Republicans, as they became known, wanted more than just a return to normalcy. They wanted to keep the power they had attained during the war years. The South did not make it easy for Johnson, however, and the so-called Black Codes started to be passed in Southern states. Congressional inquiries into the Black Codes found them to be a new way of controlling ex-slaves, fraught with violence and cruelty.

      The ensuing Reconstruction Acts placed the former CSA states under military rule, and prohibited their congressmen’s readmittance to Congress until after several steps had been taken, including the approval of the 14th Amendment. The 14th was designed to ensure that all former slaves were granted automatic United States citizenship, and that they would have all the rights and privileges as any other citizen. The amendment passed Congress on June 13, 1866, and was ratified on July 9, 1868 (757 days).

  • patrick

    Don’t you people understand how Obammy boy and his crew work? Just think now with the killings in Tucson, AZ we will hear all about gun control etc etc. and of course they are blaming Tea Party and Repubs for the killings. See how they (Obammyboy) turn around every incident to try to make the liberal media jump on the bandwagon of cursing Conservatives? It is just like cities when there is talk of lay off’s for police and firemen, all of a sudden our house are in danger of burning down and robberies and killings will increase. That is the game liberals and unions use. What created those killings was that everyone in the USA is pissed off at what they see is happening to our great country and this is how the frustration is played out. The killer was reading and studying materials that Obammy boy was study and believing while he grew up… Marxism, Communism, and Socialism! Hang on folks is coming our way!!!!

    • eddie47d

      Patrick; Your a patsy or an apologist for the right and their wicked vitriolic. I figured there would be a few of you extreme right wingers trying to turn the tables on that incident in Arizona. Sure didn’t take long. Plain and simple Jared Loughner is a domestic terrorist with anger issues that have been pushed from coast to coast by the right, not the left. You Patrick also have anger issues and are trying to blame an incident on someone else instead of putting the venom where it belongs.

      • Michael J.

        eddie47d,
        Should have known you’d be the first to jump on the “he’s a rightwing nut job” bandwagon. Well, how many RWNJ’s list The Communist Manifesto as their favorite title and who happens to be atheist?
        Fact is Huffpo, your drool tool, is also undecided about this anti-government whack-job.
        You might want to search Raskolnikov Syndrome for possible insight.

        • smilee

          Why did you add so many adjectives to eddies words.

      • always right

        Sorry, eddie but the loony is a leftist, like yourself, all eaten up with hate and lacking cognitive skills. He was a campaign volunteer for his victim in 2007. He was mad at her for not voting for peelosi as minority speaker. His favorite books were Mein Kampf (Hitler was a socialist, like the demoncraps) and “The Communist manifesto” (Marx & Engels were both socialists, like you demoncraps). This boy was your baby all the way. We don’t need more gun control laws. We need more democrat control laws. We shouldn’t allow anybody who votes demoncrapic to own a gun.

        • eddie47d

          You are definitely not” always right “. Your side played Humpty Dumpty and fell off your wall. No one that was shot advocated violence yet the right wing is always advocating for it. Hum-mm! I wonder who pushed this guy over the edge. Does Casteaway come to mind in inciting violence here on this site? One of many, so start taking responsibility for what get’s said and stop supporting those who do.

      • Steve

        Excuse me but I do beleive there is plenty of hate on the left…the Tea party are ALL racists right….

        • smilee

          If you say so!!

    • lkar

      What really upsets me patrick, is that as a god-fearing conservative I am denigrated and cursed by the liberal media for my right to free speech and political dissent. At the same time I hear none of the media point out the vitrol and extreme speech of far left (Van Jones, Pivens, and Black Panthers come to mind). They can openly and vehmently voice their political dissent without media reprecussions (except conservative talk radio and conservative websites catch them). But most Americans will hear the liberal media bash the conservative voice of peaceful poltical dissent and never hear a follow-up to correct their errors. a month to 6 months from now these people will still think the Tea party and Sarah Palin shot a congress woman.
      In relation to this particlar issue, the media will call us racist, bigots, and anti-immigration. Even now (and PLG is guilty of this) the media is stealing the words from this debate. They are not to be called illegal aliens, but we have to use the PC term undocumented workers or undocumented immigrants. The key word is ILLEGAL. The term immigrant has the conotation that they are going to conform to the American society (like speak english, obey our laws, honor the American flag, and support US soveriegnty). The very act of illegall crossing our borders has nullified at least 2 of the examples I listed. Therefore the term alien better fits the debate.
      Liberals do not debate an issue, they simply yell and scream. They know that they lose if they debate, but screaming and accusing gets them noticed (think Mr. Weiner). The general Jerry Springer crowd says, “Yea, that is awful.” Never bothers to fact check or follow-up on the actual details of a debate. The Liberals win by attrition because the general public has an attention span of zero.

      So in this regard, the liberals are correct about one thing. People listen to the loudest emotional spin, but not the logical discourse.

      • eddie47d

        That’s funny Ikar. Once again,how many people died at the hands of the New Black Panthers? Zero,Zilch! If there had been your tirade might have been justified. Nobody is trying to shut down your free speech it’s only when these tired old killings take place. That interfered with several persons right to free speech. I think some of you have the Eric Randolph Syndrome. A few folks died at his hands also. Every Time, you gloss over these incidents! Until the next one happens and so forth and so on. It’s kind of like the Waco incident where certain folks tried to shove it under the rug. Whether rights are trampled by the left or right is immaterial if the abuses continue by the sane and the insane.

        • Dan az

          So eddie
          Does this mean that you researched it or did you just make that up?
          The BPP sought to oppose police brutality through neighborhood patrols (an approach since adopted by groups such as Copwatch). Police officers were often followed by armed Black Panthers who sought at times to aid African-Americans who were victims of police brutality and racial prejudice. Both Panthers and police died as a result of violent confrontations. By 1970, 34 Panthers had died as a result of police raids, shoot-outs and internal conflict.[25] Various police organizations claim the Black Panthers were responsible for the deaths of at least 15 law enforcement officers and the injuries of dozens more. During those years, juries found several BPP members guilty of violent crimes.

          • eddie47d

            He was talking about the NBP’s and I responded to that. Your information may be important but not relevant to his question.

      • 45caliber

        You should check out what the British have to say about this. They think it is amusing that this boy was one of her own who turned rabid. But the liberals have to insist that it was due to right wing people. In fact, one of them at least is blaming Palin – which the British think is even funnier. So do I for that matter.

      • Steve

        I concour …well said

      • who cares

        Ikar. Liberal don’t yell, or scream or do things of fear. The conservatives/Republicans to do that for them. republicans act out like children we all know how foolish it could look. Who used crosshair line?? Who used by name and State of the congress woman. Que Sarah Sarah Palin!!!!Who supports Sarah Palin with money?? maybe the tea party. Who disrespected by making the President look like Hitler?? maybe the tea party. Who takes freedom of speech literally conservative/republican and one station stand head and shoulder Fox Opinion New. 24 hours 7 days of week of brain washing, directing, misinformation, lies. Disrespecting all who does not agree with Fox news. accusing all Democrats, Liberal disrespecful to president.
        Democrats do not need to act as you conservatives/republicans do while you take the low roar, Democrats take the high road they are the adult. Ever notice your side always say God fearing conservative look at the other corner of your mouth crap comes out.

    • lkar

      My reply was way too long. Thanks eddie for making my point short and simple. He is being the loudest.

    • TIME

      Patrick,

      Your Post is very strong, this is a clear case of – “Cause & Effect” this has been in the works for a very long time as most of us know.

      This twin edged swords effects will fall like this.

      #1, The Internet is where all the “alledged Hate filled rhetoric” is found. Thus now clearly extending the arm of the FCC to quell all this alledged Hate filled Rhetoric.
      Thus ~ Removing any and all form of the 1st Amendment.
      As in no longer will you have any form of “FREE SPEACH.”

      #2, The Gun issue, This now opens the door for Barrys New BATF monster to bring down all Gun sales as well taking away guns from anyone who is deemed not well enoght to own them. And who will be on that list? Can you say everyone????????????

      Also is it not strange that the folks in the AZ Police I have spoken with all have said the FBI is holding them back from doing their jobs. As well all intel the AZ Police have clearly shows that this nut case was a “Left wing nut Case.” yet not a single word in the media about that?

      This event has clear long reaching ramifications that even the blind can see.

      As in your Fist Amendment rights will be taken away, as well your Second Amendment rights. Keep in mind thats all in one fell swoop. Not a bad set up for the Progressive NWO gang, they sure know how to work a crowd.

      Keep this in mind ~ “create a problem,” then have the method of FIXING that problem.
      And what better state to have this all take place than Ariziona where the Federal’s have brought not only a Law Suit against the state for alledged Crimes.
      But Barry also stood in front of the UN aka – the NWO’s Base Camp charges against the state of Arizonia.

      Anyone else awake enough to see this for what it is?

      • Teresa

        The best stated arguement so far!!!!! Is anyone else’s eyes open yet?

      • who cares

        Time, if anything most all shooting of this type 99.9% are from white people they like to see themselves as freedomfighters. (terrorists)They are usually conservative, republicans mentally retarded. angry toward someone superior to them, the government. they see hitler, and or bush as a father figure. they can’t stand people of color mainly Hispanics or Black and Women too they see them as threat to them. As fat women can’t stand to see a slim female on the beach. each time wing nut act out your fear on other the rest lose rights.

        • TIME

          WC,

          First off I feel your numbers are off quite a bit, 99% Whites, so have you ever been to Africa?
          In many areas of Africa blacks kill other blacks just for not being of the same tribe. Thus ~ I bring to you Zimbabwe, Rwanda, Siera Leone, just to name a few I am sure you can look these up very quickly and find results that will turn your guts inside out.

          The numbers are mind numbing, where Blacks have raped, Killed and maimed other Blacks who were “peace loving” folks who by the way did not wish to follow these Left Wing nut jobs.

          In this country the Media fails to commit to print much of the crime that is a “daily occurrence within black communities” that effects only blacks.
          You will note its not Media worthy, unless these media units can get ratings from it. Now thats sad.

          By the way the name { WHO CARES } brings forth a strong feeling of “Apathy” and if anything at this poin t in time “Apathy” is not needed.
          We as Americans face evil multi faced NWO types who hide behind the curtains all the while tossing out American Citizens to beat each other up by creating the alledged Left V Right, just so that these EVIL NWO types can fix the ills. Again “Cause & Effect.”

          Everything I posted is “TRUTH” it will all stand on its own, as well will all come into play over the next few months; as it unfolds please keep what I posted in mind.

          Just today both McCarthy D and Lautenburg D have made a proposal to ban Clips, its not a large leep from clips to Ammo, from Ammo to Guns.

          Look I don’t even own a gun but its the right granted under the second Amendment and thats been upheld in court now countless times.

          As well Freedom of Speach is granted under the 1st Amendment, hell I have had more alledged Liberals call me the N word than any other form of Political group.
          Thats a fact and as I am Black I have a rather good handle on this type of behavior.

          The laws can not be differant for one group or the other, in plain words all laws nned to apply with an equal balance.

          Saddly our political class feel they are above the law, thus they in fact create laws that also empower others to act like them.
          Just as this rather demented youg person did, rather he be White, Black or Orange.

          The vast amounts of Vitrol that is expounded is done so by the Main stream Media’s such as CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, MSN, CNN, HLN of what these media formats will just make news up if what happens during any given time frame fails to fit the profiles they need at the moment.

        • http://naver samurai

          I’ve known terrorist to say that they are freedom fighters and blow up many innocent people in shopping malls or on buses. You know, they believe in a lot of “collateral damage?” What about the ones that blew up our East African embassies, the U.S.S. Cole, hijacked airplanes, the Kobar Towers, the WTC in 1993 and 2001, etc, do they count on your list also, moron? I think you really need to be making that popping noise about now. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Michael J.

      patrick,
      Yes, as they say, “never let a good crisis go to waste”

      As for what makes Jared Lee Loughner tick, check Raskolnikov Syndrome.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Like BO’s good buddy Rahm Emanuel said ” Never let a good crisis go to waste.”

    • who cares

      Patrick, your side sure is not helping slowly but surely you WAKOS are taking my rights away. WAKOS need to tell your wakos keep it on your side your about to cross the line.

    • who cares

      Patrick, need to take guns from stupid people conservative/republicans

      • http://naver samurai

        No, just from morons like you. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • James

    CJ is right but the Supreme Court takes the 14th Amendment literally, it reads: “All persons born…in the United States…are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”
    The amendment never intended for that to apply to births by illegal aliens, but it doesn’t say that. The amendment should be amended to read: “All persons born of citizens of the United States…are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” This would cover American citizens who give birth in a foreign nation as well as here. It would limit citizenship to children of citizens of the United States, wherever the birth occurs.

    • smilee

      Nothing will change this amendment unless the Constitution is amended to change it and that is not likely. Congress is not likely to be able to garnder two thirds majority in both houses to get it started.

      • James

        Smilee, that’s a given, but “on the Application of the Legisltures of two thirds of the several States” amendments may also be proposed. Howsever, I don’t think that is very probable either. What I do expect is a State or two to withdraw from the union, like Texas.

        • smilee

          States won’t do it, that has never been done and no one will secede as that will not work for them in today’s world, all is pure rhetoric.

  • chvietvet

    The 14th Amendment provides for equal treatment under the law, as well as providing citizenship rights. Calling for its appeal is like saying that people should not have equal rights. Abridging equality is the same as abridging personal liberty. If you can take a right away from somebody else today, the government can take your own rights away tomorrow. Communism is all about totalitarian government, which can give and take away rights according to whatever the dictator want to do that day. If you hate certain people so much that you would call for the institution of a lawless state just to harm them, somebody who hates you will deprive you of life, liberty, or property by applying the same logic you use. Sorry I have to tell you this, but all of those babies already born can never have their citizenship taken away retroactively under any system of law that exists outside of totalitarian states.

    • 45caliber

      chvietvet:

      We don’t want to take away the citizenship of those babies of illegals. We simply want to ship them home with their parents. If that child, on his eighteenth birthday, chooses to be American, he can. But a child belongs with his parents and his parents don’t belong here. Simple.

      Further, the 14th Amendment may have a lot of meaning by people today, but it was meant solely for the ex-slaves after the Civil War. And they have all died long ago. So it really no longer applies except as modern people continue to re-define it. Which shouldn’t have ever been done.

    • James

      Chvietvet, I agree with 45 Caliber. We are a nation of laws, not men. However nice and well-intending most illegal aliens are, they entered our country illegally and thus are criminals.

      • smilee

        Not their babies born here as they are American Citizens. I do not think being born here makes that baby a criminal.

        • http://naver samurai

          Sorry moron, but if they are illegal than they are breaking our laws being here. Hence, they aren’t American citizens. We are a nation of laws and do not reward law breakers. The baby is a product of their illegal activity and shouldn’t be rewarded either. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • smilee

            YOU ARE SUCH A CONFUSED PERSON!!! YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND REALITY!

  • Monica

    Since the 14th Amendment we have made it illegal for people from anywhere in the world to come into America with permission, so those Mexicans who break our laws should not have Citizenship for babies thye have here.

    • 45caliber

      Agreed. I might allow the child back as an American citizen AFTER he and his family are sent back to their home country to stay. It used to be that such a child was given the opportunity to go to an American embassy on his/her eighteenth birthday and swear aligience to the US and become a citizen due to birth – but his family did NOT come with him. Nor should they be allowed to come here. What they found then was that very few of those who might be allowed citizenship ever bothered to try.

  • Monica

    Sorry that should have been withOUT permission.

    • James

      Monica, the 14th Amendment had nothing to do with immigration, as 45 Caliber said, it’s purpose was to extend citizenship to the just-freed slaves that were already here, and assure that they were to be treated equally as other citizens. Our immigration laws define the process foreigners must go through to enter the United States and become citizens. However, the 14th Amendment’s: “All persons born…in the U.S. …are citizens of the United States,” is a loophole that illegal aliens rely on. It should either be reworded or repealed.

  • chvietvet

    Monica
    What law did the baby break? The citizenship goes to the baby, not to the partents.

    • lkar

      Technically, you do have a point. Since a baby is not considered a viabel human by law(thus abortion is legal), the baby is not really an illegal alien. Thus the child did not break any laws. But what about that pesky umbilical cord?

      But then I could argue that this baby is really an extension of the mothers body by law (thus she can legally have an abortion as it is her body). Then that would mean the baby is an illegal alien prior to birth and subject to deportation. So the baby is guilty even before birth.

      The point is that debating about the baby is not the issue. The parents are illegal aliens and the birth of a child does not negate the child from the same status. Citing equal rights of the Constitution universally is absurd. Who is this document addressed to? US citizens! Since when does this document cover the citizens of all nations. By this logic, sharia law should be applicable to Muslims living in America. They would then have the right to jihad in America. Sounds stupid. The 14th amendment has been and is being hijacked by your emotional pleas for the babies!

      • smilee

        LOL Boy are you delusional!!

    • Barbara

      The baby because it is born in the US is now a citizen so the parents also get to stay so they can take care of the citizen. The anchor baby is being used to help the non citizen parents stay in the US. Then the extended family gets to piggy back on the baby’s US citizenship.
      There is nothing wrong in sending the entire family back to the parents home country.
      This why the child should be declared a citizen of the parents home country. All this mess would be eliminated.

      • smilee

        We can not declare citizen to anyone in another country only in the US.

    • CATHY

      BABY OF AN ILLEGAL AILEN….WHAT DONT YOU GET HERE? HOW MANY OTHER NATIONALITYS OTHER THAN MEXICANS/HISPANICS ARE THERE HERE IN THIS COUNTRY ILLEGAL BUT THEIR OFFSPRING IS A CITIZEN? OTHER NATIONALITIES HAVE TO FOLLOW THE LAWS WHEN GETTING CITIZENSHIP HERE IN THE UNITED STATES.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      OK, keep the baby and send the parents home. There are orphanagies aren’t there or adoption agencies ? It’s just an excuse to get the whole damn family here.

    • Monica

      chvietvet: The parents of these anchor babies knowingly and willingly break our laws to come to the US to have that baby because they know our ignorant officials have made it possible for the baby to become a Citizen and eligible for all kinds of entitlements that the AMERICAN TAXPAYER HAS PUT OUT. Tell me why the illegals who do this underhanded, disrespectful thing to we American taxpayers should be accepted. Ahy should they be given more help of untold amounts when an American Citizen taxpayer is not entitled to 1/3 of it???? You can’t can you???

    • 45caliber

      chvietvet:
      You are correct. The baby can become a citizen… but his parents can’t just because he was born here. So officially the parents should have a choice. They can be sent back to their country with the baby or they can give the baby up for adoption as they leave for their own country. Since none of us really want to seperate the parents from their child, he should go with them.

      The law USED to be that on his eighteenth birthday he could go to an American embassy and declare for the US – whereupon he would be sent back here as a citizen. But he came without the rest of his family.

      When did that law change? As far as I’ve been able to find it, it hasn’t. It’s just been ignored.

    • barbm

      but the parents are the ones who get welfare, medicaid, food stamps, low-income housing, etc.. even though their kids get free breakfasts and lunches at school 9 months of the year, they get the same amount of food stamps as they do for summers when the kids are at home. they don’t get food stamps just for the anchor baby, it’s based on how many are in the family. and as long as they keep having babies every 4 years, they can keep getting public assistance. if you have a child under 5 years of age, you don’t have to get a job. that’s also true of americans on public assistance, and it needs to change. anybody who has another baby while getting welfare should not get a dime extra for it, and the parents should both have to get jobs as soon as the youngest one born before getting public assistance turns 5.

  • eddie47d

    You are certainly correct chvielvet for there should be no attempt to go back and punish these babies or children. They should remain legal citizens but the issue has to move forward. Should the 14th Amendment be amended and should any Amendment be changed? I’d like to see less growth coming from south of the border or from any other place in the world. We definitely need a more orderly immigration system and only allowing in what is needed or what our environs can sustain. If we need more immigrant workers and they bring their wife or girlfriends then they should be required to use birth control.If a child is born then it should become a US citizen even if the parents can never be. Most of these immigrants should prepare themselves to become citizen before they come across the border so they can apply for legal status right away. Those who don’t want to become citizens will have to keep reapplying for their green card as in the past. We can’t always control pregnancies and it is no different for these “anchor” babies and these babies don’t automatically give their parents legal status.

  • chvietvet

    Read the 14th Amendment, and you will see that the wording is simple and clear. If anyone wants it violated, amended, or repealed, that person is interested in eliminating guarantees of personal liberty. If we can get rid of the 14th Amendment, deprive people of due process, and eliminate their rights to equal treatment or citizenship, we can also get rid of the 2nd Amendment and deprive people of the right to bear arms. We can get rid of the First Amendment and have “thought police” like those in Communist countries. Children can be encouraged to report whatever their parents say so that they can be arrested and sent to labor camps for speaking against the State. If you are overheard criticizing a politician, you can be branded a terrorist and arrested and sent to a “reeducation camp.” How about that pesky Fifth Amendment? Torture is the quickest way to get confessions, and then we can also do away with jury trials and just put the person away for as long as the government wants. By the way, there is no provision of our Constitution that protects abortion. That was just a bit of “judge-made law.” The part of the Constitution that requires very difficult procedures to amend it has already been nullified, and now Supreme Court justices can change it any time they want by a 5-4 vote. Hands off the Constitution and its current amendments, especially the 14th!

    • always right

      You’ve got this wrong too, Che. The wording is “clear” for making achor babies citizens as long as you don’t read the intent of those who wrote it. Let me help you along:

      In 1866, Senator Jacob Howard clearly spelled out the intent of the 14th Amendment by stating:

      [i]Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country.”[/i]

      This understanding was reaffirmed by Senator Edward Cowan, who stated:

      [i]“[A foreigner in the United States] has a right to the protection of the laws; but he is not a citizen in the ordinary acceptance of the word…” [/i]

      *POOF!* There goes your argument

      • smilee

        Bull

        His intent was not stated in the fourteenth amendment and these two senators only got one vote each and they voted on the language in the amendment as did everyone who voted on it and not on their intent, that contradiction is clear, only a future amendment can change its meaning despite your wishful thinking.

    • always right

      BTW, your off-topic rants sounds like Roseanne Rosannadanna on the old Saturday Night Live. Go listen to her on youtube. You run something like this “ifwedontmakethemcitizensitwillbeOKtotorture themlikewedoatQuantanamoandthenwecanstealtheirkidneysandsellthemtorichRepublicanswhoworkforhalliburtonstealingoilfromiraqandthenthekidswontbeabletoeatchristmascookiesatschoolwiththeotherkids”

      Yeah, whatever…

    • Dan az

      chvietvet
      Yes please do some research on the subject look alittle deeper into the history its called research!
      14th Amendment
      The ratification of the 13th Amendment was a major victory for the North, and it was hoped that with the Emancipation Proclamation and the 13th Amendment, the effects of slavery in the United States would quickly diminish. The original plan to readmit states after acceptance of the 13th was supported by President Andrew Johnson, but the Radical Republicans, as they became known, wanted more than just a return to normalcy. They wanted to keep the power they had attained during the war years. The South did not make it easy for Johnson, however, and the so-called Black Codes started to be passed in Southern states. Congressional inquiries into the Black Codes found them to be a new way of controlling ex-slaves, fraught with violence and cruelty.

      The ensuing Reconstruction Acts placed the former CSA states under military rule, and prohibited their congressmen’s readmittance to Congress until after several steps had been taken, including the approval of the 14th Amendment. The 14th was designed to ensure that all former slaves were granted automatic United States citizenship, and that they would have all the rights and privileges as any other citizen. The amendment passed Congress on June 13, 1866, and was ratified on July 9, 1868 (757 days).

      • chvietvet

        The history of the ratification of the 14th Amendment is interesting but not relevant to the final product. An illegal immigrant is not on a diplomatic mission for his country, so it is not relevant whether or not the children of ambassadors and consuls to the United States are entitled to citizenship at birth. The simple fact is that Amendment 14 gives every American a guarantee of his rights to equal treatment, certain kinds of due process, and citizenship if born here. Removing anything from this amendment takes away a guarantee of rights that are important to all of us. People who want to take away human and civil rights for any reason, such as national security, public safety, or xenophobia might be happier living in another country where the government tell everyone exactly what they can and cannot do. Cuba is close and has a nice climate. They have nice parades in North Korea. Other suggestions could be Belorus, Zimbabwe, Myanmar, or Vietnam. The United States has gone far enough along the road to a totalitarian state, and it would be nice to see this trend stopped. Maybe it is time to strengthen the 14th Amendment by extending civil rights guarantees to such groups as veterans and whistleblowers who report illegal government activities. It might also be time to cut back on some of the extremist measures imposed on airline passengers.

        • Dan az

          the point being they are not slaves and they are not black (The history of the ratification of the 14th Amendment is interesting but not relevant to the final product.)
          The 14th was designed to ensure that all former slaves were granted automatic United States citizenship, and that they would have all the rights and privileges as any other citizen. The amendment passed Congress on June 13, 1866, and was ratified on July 9, 1868 (757 days).
          So how can you sit there and spin this?

          • chvietvet

            Dan,
            Where does it say that the 14th Amendment applies only to black former slaves? I do not read that anywhere in the amendment. It says rather that every American citizen has a right to equal treatment under the law. It is the amendment used as the basis for every civil rights law since 1871, and these laws prohibit discrimination based on race, religion, national origin, and previous condition of servitude. It has also been made to apply to descrimination based on gender. If you can get away with violating the rights of members of one race, religion, or national group, you can get away with violating the rights of members of any group. That is why we need the 14th Amendment as it is.

          • Dan az

            (It says rather that every American citizen has a right to equal treatment under the law. ) Your words show me where they are american citizens then I would agree!

          • http://naver samurai

            100% agree Dan az! Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • s c

    So how long how Benny Johnson been a pimp for the AIC? Does he take drugs to maintain his perverted sense of awareness?
    America NEEDS to take a serious look at what passes for “immigration laws.” And the Supreme Court NEEDS to take a serious, Constitution-grounded look at WHY Uncle Scam ignores immigration laws, open borders and common sense.
    If anyone on the Supreme Court knows anything about history (especially old Rome), they already know that open borders helped destroy old Rome. It won’t do anything good for America (regardless of what that airhead Johnson is paid to think).
    Mr. Johnson would do well to move to another country. We have all the useful idiots, generational pimps, losers and traitors any nation can tolerate. Up the rebels!

  • victoria blood

    No one has mentioned the fact that these mexican children are citizens of mexico. That’s what their laws say. So, are they dual citizens or what? Seems to me that you should not automatically declare them U.S. citizens. If their parents are seeking U.S. citizenship when they are born, then they would become citizens when their parents do. If the parents are illegally here, so are the babies by default. It’s not our fault, it is the parents fault. No one should be able to profit from breaking our laws. Nuff said

    • smilee

      Your certainly entitled to your opinion but the Constitution does not support your opinion here

  • Legal immigrant

    We just arrived in the US (legally and for a limited period of 2 years)and I will be having a baby in a few months.
    If I understand correctly my baby will become a US citizen automatically – we no not have the option to refuse US citizenship for our child.

    According to the laws of my country the baby will also receive a european passport. (because citizenship if granted on the basis of the nationality of the parents and not the location of your birth)

    Taking into account that we will not be staying in the US and our child will most likely never live in the US (except the first 2 years of his/her life) US citizenship can actually be an disadvantage to him/her in the future from a taxation point of view. I find it odd that we do not have a say in the matter. ( I still have to do some research on our options if any, but at this moment this is how I understand it)

    That being said I find it totally acceptable to limit the granting of US citizenship to babies who we born out of US citizens.

    • 45caliber

      Legal:

      See my notes above on this. There was a law at one time (which has not been repealed to my knowledge) that stated that any child born here will have dual citizenship with the country of his parents UNTIL HE REACHES 18 YEARS OF AGE.

      At that time he is expected to make a declaration of what country he is a citizen of. If he chooses to be American he must go to an American embassy and declare in oath that he will be a loyal citizen of the USA. At that time he will lose his dual citizenship and cannot become a citizen of the country of his parents.

      If, on the other hand, he chooses to be a legal citizen of his parents’ country, he has only to do nothing. He will become a sole citizen of that country by NOT going to a US embassy.

      If you are really concerned, you might check that. But I do understand your worries about taxes. I would be willing to bet that if he was to become rich, our government would certainly be willing to tax him if they can.

  • Jimmie Lloyd

    Well while we are mentioning the insane shooting in Tucson, AZ: Notice how quickly Sen. Shumer, D, from NY was on TV commenting about the shooting in ARIZ. What possible relativity does he have to a member of the House of Representatives??? Maybe its because he is a “anti-gun” proponent?

    • eddie47d

      No,He has a right to free speech just like you do. Since he is a public figure his voice may carry more weight but equal just the same.

    • Dan az

      Jimmie
      Maybe he was just looking to add to his death clock!

  • chvietvet

    Any baby born in the United States is free choose whether he will be a U.S. citizen or a citizen of another country when he or she grows up. If the baby later chooses foreign citizenship, no obligations to the United States exist. It is unacceptable to limit the recognition of U.S. citizenship to babies born of American citizens because the right to citizenship by birth is guaranteed by the Constitution.

    Like it or not, the United States will be dependent on a high rate of immigation for years to come. Since the Rowe v. Wade decision, an estimated 45 million American babies have been aborted, and the population of native-born U.S. citizens consists overwhelmingly of persons reaching retirement age. As they die off during the coming decades, the population will undergo a catastrophic implosion, and labor will be in very short supply unless immigrants enter the country to take the jobs. Without immigrants, the old and sick will be left uncared for, and there will be nobody to maintain the infrastructure of the cities. Europeans are already experiencing the same problem. The United States is lucky to have a supply of people from Latin America as immigrants because their culture is basically Christian. In Europe, the immigrants from the Middle East and North Africa have proven less prepared to assimilate into the culture because their religion imposes a certain degree of separation from non-believers. In Vietnam, many of those I served with were of Hispanic descent, while many of the non-veterans militantly working to exclude veterans from the universities and civil service employment are obviously not Hispanic. If you look at the casualty lists from Iraq and Afghanistan, you will find many of those who died defending our country are of Mexican descent. Anyone who fights to defend the United States should not be denied citizenship, and national origin should not be grounds for prejudice.

    What too many people overlook is the fact that no changes in the law are necessary. If anyone has something against illegal immigration, he should find out why our federal government is failing to enforce so many laws. Our immigration officials might also be asked why the kingpins of drug smuggling can obtain American green cards so easily, while their countrymen who come to perform useful labor are denied them.

    • barbm

      it is true that americans have too low a birth rate to sustain our country in the future. so, IN THE FUTURE, we can open our borders or – how about this for an idea – allow more LEGAL immigration. until then, they need to stay out, and the ones already here need to go home. they can leave their american babies here to be reared by americans, or they can take them with them. if the baby leaves though, american citizenship should be taken away never to be returned. we don’t want them coming back at age 18 to sponsor their whole families to come here.

    • Andy

      Are you nuts? Where the hell are our armed forces supposed to find work when they get back home? Our idiot-in-chief says they’ll be coming home soon. Right now they couldn’t even find work at McDonalds because they are loaded with Spanish speaking individuals behind the counters.

      • chvietvet

        I think our returning service people are entitled to much better jobs than selling hamburgers at McDonalds!

    • lkar

      You have a good point about population problems. The need for immigration reform is obvious (amnisty is not reform). But I would also argue (based on your abortion input) that legalized abortion on demand needs to reformed (I do not mean SCOTUS interpreting the constitution). True reform, in my opinion, requires securing the border (even use the military in the short term), set-up a low cost (about the same cost as getting a passport), no quota immigration application process. Illegal aliens in this country have a set deadline to leave and apply from their country of origin. Strengthen and heavily fine business for hiring illegal aliens, and mandate a federal verification system (this is the business protection or illegals using identity theft). Implement streamlind procedure for deportation (we know there will be some mistakes, but it should be the citizens responibility to ensure their proof). Proof of citizenship requirements for elections! Take the political vote pandering out of the debate.

      However, illegal aliens break the law and should not be rewarded with amnisty or birth-right citizenship. I like Eddie47 idea where the baby and parents are deported. When the child is 18 years old, then the child can make an informed consent and chose his/her citizenship.

    • Marilyn

      What an absolutely arrogant view you have of illegal aliens and their importance to our country! We, as a country managed to take care of ourselves way before all the illegals crashed our country. We can take care of people, EARN A LIVING,obey our laws, SPEAK ENGLISH, and function very well without them. All illegals have done is, TAKE,TAKE,TAKE. I for one say get out if you don’t like the country, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THE ILLEGAL ALIENS HAVE DONE FROM THEIR COUNTRY!!!!!!!

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Don “K”

    It is about time!!! Why haven’t MOST represenatives done this years ago?

  • http://com i41

    Now Onumnutt’s homeland security cheif is talking about increasinf monitoriting internet, giving all Congress persons secret service coverage, the ability to monitor all meetings and messages. Another page from the marxist communist manifesto. All idoils ofSoros Socialists and our marxist muslim moron in Cheif.The loon was a hard core liberial who graviated to certain idoit beleifs of radical types as well as a pot smoking worthless smuck. Another idoit approvd issuse of liberials, legalazation and use of drugs. Even our purple lipped muslim in cheif used, sold illegal drugs but has never said he doesn’t use drugs now. Since citizens must test for drugs for any job, government of private sector. Run every beltway smuck, through a random drug test when ever in the beltway, just like citizens must do when employed. Since these idoit are supposed to work for us.

  • Monica

    Well none of these Mexican women who drop their babies in our hospitals ever pay for it…..but we Americans do, don’t we?? They get free stuff up the ying yang, but we don’t get squat do we? Our government is punishing us in order to cater to them….WHY??? Because of the votes they need to remain in office for decades and get rich off the dirty, underhanded deals they make with lobbyists, big business, and any other cretin who is willing to grease their palm for favors. In other words, they are…DIRTY POLITICIANS, AND VERY UNAMERICAN.

    • 45caliber

      I agree. A couple of years ago I saw a comment by a woman who had a baby in Dallas. Her room mate was illegal and bragged about it. Further, she bragged that this was their fifth kid and they hadn’t had to pay for any of them. The American had to pay over $8000. Doesn’t seem really fair, does it?

  • who cares

    As I see it this is how white america wants it to be. It is anhor baby if your Black, Hispanic, Asian, Color, or any color other than White. European white allowed, White Russian allowed. If your color Russian not allowed. Boehner, in Palin, in Peloci, no. During time of war people of color they go for white’s. What a country.

    • Monica

      who cares: You are daft. “Look it up!”

    • lkar

      And you are not racist? Been listening to Jeramiah Wright? In an earlier post you defend the Black Panther movement? You agree that “crackers” must be shot?
      By your posts it must be the whiteman’s fault! Last time I checked, the US had a blackman as President. I disagree with 90% of his policies, but I respect his position. Even more proud that Obama has broken through and made history. I am white, but am proud of Obama as a person for his place in history (first black American president).

      • Dan az

        Only part black with white and muslim mixed in.So if some one was prejudice then they would only be about half right.

  • barbm

    Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
    Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
    read the 1st sentence of section 1. it says, “…and suject to the jurisdiction thereof…” if they are illegally here, are they subject to the jurisdiction of the united states? the last sentence of section 1 says they can’t take away property, etc without due process. if you take that along with section 5, i’d say that congress has the right to pass legislation that would clarify this amendment or amend it. they sure as heck have found a way around it to confiscate the property of those found guilty of drug offenses. they took all of madoff’s money and property. they can do pretty much whatever they want, they just have to want it.

    • Monica

      No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; The ‘KEY’ phrase here is: CITIZEN OF THE UNTIED STATES!
      THE ILLEGAL MEXICANS ARE ‘NOT’ CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES, AND THEREFORE SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN ANY SPECIAL IMMUNITIES, PERIOD!!!

  • Monica

    The truth of the matter is that the votes of illegals are more important to the scum who are supposed to be our leaders over and above the welfare of the American Citizens. This crap must be stopped by term limits. Let them serve two terms and then get out with what theycame in with…no pension, no health Insurance until they die, no special treatment at all once their ‘service’ to the people is completed.

  • Stan Smith

    No they should not be US citizen. We should not be a nanny state and taxpayers footing the bills. Illegals popping babies faster like a Pez dispenser Faster than Welfare mamas gee why you think the population is growing at a faster rate? because Illegals contribute to this problem! This has to stop no more Instant US citizenship! and yes more Illegals come to pop babies and making more babies population in US will go up so dramatically It will drive up the cost of food even more because Farmers can not keep up the supply of demand even with drought and floods food prices will go up even more! have you not think when Illegals popping more babies Then we have to gobble up more land to build more housing?/ it will drive up the cost to buy land. Yep when Illegals comes to pop out babies put it on birth certificate Non US Citizen. send the parents back with their baby with baby supplies! and did you think why the public schools having much problems always need of money?? because children of Illegal parents schools can not keep up with this problems! CA is at worse CA is a sanctuary state!

    • hundabuxt

      California is a toilet and it will have to be flushed soon to survive.

  • Monica

    Stan Smith: Correct you are, and what moron could be ignorant enough to believe that America will not burst at the seams with all this new growth that it can not support? The stupidity that IS the Untied States government officials and way too many brainwashed Americans is astonishing.

  • j.McConnell

    http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/b/breadwinner.htm

    Yet another example of the beat the system game.

  • Eric Bischoff

    Nothing will get fixed or improved until we address the main root causes of the waves of immigration. Why are people willing to leave their homeland, friends and family behind and risk coming here?

    As long as we are going to remain in denial on how our foreign policies are having a direct impact on immigration, we will never be able to solve this problem.

    Repeal NAFTA and watch how it will slow down the waves of immigration. You can’t flood the agrarian economies of latin america with unfairly subsidized cheap corn, soy and rice, thereby destroying their economies and not expect them to come north looking for work to feed their families.

    You can’t overthrow their democratically elected govts, fund and orchestrate military coups, or support oppressive dictators and not expect them to go north and get away from the madness as fast as they can.

    We also better recognize the fact that there’s always been a migration north to pick the crops. Like it or not they were there before us. We need them as much as they need us and we better figure out a way to make it work. Respect comes to mind.

    Building walls and blaming every ill of society on the immigrants is not a solution either. Look at the mess it made for the German people and eventually the world. Do we want to keep repeating the same mistakes?

    Open your hearts!

    • lkar

      Eric, you had me listening right up to the end. Why is an emotional plea relavant? This is the most annoying ploy (by both the left and the right) any argument can end on. “Oh the poor children”. “Open your hearts.”

      Our solutions can couple compassion with policy, but the debate must be factual and logical.

  • GaryTraditionalUltraConservative

    Many years ago, when I was a college kid, I enrolled in a required college course at a University(UCLA) that was exclusively about the subject of slavery as taught by a brilliant and very intelligent Black American Woman U.S. History Professor who was also a very excellent Anthropologist who had a Ph.D. or Doctorate Degree in Anthropolgy(probably Cultural Anthropology). I remember her explanation that the 14th Amendment to the Constitution was really a late amendment or additional clause to the previous January 1, 1863 Emancipation Proclamation that was signed into FederaL Law(although it may have only been a Presidential “Expedient Emergency” Proclamation, to promote a general slave uprising against their southern slave owners in the southern slave states during the Civil War, signed in 1862 to be an effective Law beginning on January 1st, 1863) by President Abraham Lincoln. She explained in very exact no non-sense terms of how the mid 19th Century White or Caucasian Mind, both men and women, viewd the 14th Amendement to the Constitution which was EXCLUSIVELY ONLY invented and written and signed into Law to grant ALL Black ex-slaves and especially to grant to all of the children of all Black slaves and of all Black ex-slaves, who were all born on U.S. soil, the right to acquire and the right to be LEGALLY granted U.S. American Citizenship status based on the fact that just like all children who are born in the U.S. who are born from TWO U.S. Citizen parents(not only one U.S. citizen parent) who are BOTH EXCLUSIVELY ONLY NATIVE BORN or BOTH EXCLUSIVELY ONLY LEGALLY NATURALIZED LEGAL U.S. Citizens(NOT LEGAL RESIDENTS OF THE U.S.) but EXCLUSIVELY ONLY BOTH NATIVE BORN U.S. Citizens or BOTH LEGALLY NATURALIZED LEGAL U.S. Citizens within the U.S. or any U.S. Territories at one time also including the Panama Canal Zone, as might be the case with U.S. Senator John McCain, which exactly equates ALL slave owners who are ALL NATIVE BORN U.S. Citizens or ALL LEGALLY NATURALIZED LEGAL U.S. Citizens to the LEGAL equivalent of ALL U.S. NATIVE BORN U.S. Citizens and ALL LEGALLY NATURALIZED LEGAL U.S. Citizens who are PARENTS of children and who LEGALLY “OWN” their own children as the virtual personal property of those parents until their children become 18 years old or until the child is LEGALLY(by court order) booted out or kicked out or thrown out of the house before the age of 18 which means the parents can LEGALLY emancipate their own child before the child becomes 18 years old just like President Abraham Lincoln LEGALLY Emancipated or LEGALLY freed ALL Black slaves from their U.S. NATIVE BORN U.S. Citizen slave OWNERS(LEGALLY=PARENTS of Black slaves) or U.S. LEGALLY NATURALIZED LEGAL U.S. American Citizen slave OWNERS(Again LEGALLY=PARENTS of Black slaves) and U.S. NATIVE BORN or LEGALLY NATURALIZED LEGAL U.S. Citizen slave DEALERS(slave brokers or slave sellers). But in both cases the child of those parents are “emancipated” or set free or granted freedom from the LEGAL guardianship and from the LEGAL Custody and from the LEGAL “OWNERSHIP” of the parents because children are considered the LEGAL personal property of both parents until those children become 18 years old or until the parents voluntarily LEGALLY emancipate their own children, granted by a court order to LEGALLY do so, when those parents boot them out or kick them out or throw them out of the house before their own children become 18 years old. The Black slaves were the LEGAL personal property of the U.S. NATIVE born or LEGALLY naturalized LEGAL U.S. Citizen slave owners and their Black slaves were LEGALLY considered to be the LEGAL equivalent(but not the moral equivalent) to all children of U.S. NATIVE born or LEGALLY naturalized LEGAL U.S. Citizens who LEGALLY “OWN” their own children until their own children become 18 years old or until their parents LEGALLY Emancipate(by court order) or free their own children from the parental custody or from the parental LEGAL “ownership equal to the ownership of personal property of or by both parents” before their own children become 18 years old by LEGALLY booting, kicking or throwing their own children out of the parents’ house by permission of a LEGAL court order to do so. This Black American University professor of American History and Anthropolgy(probably Cultural Anthropology, I can’t remember just now) explained that the 14th Amendment to the Constitution was never intended to ever be used as a ticket or as a device for any of the children of any native born indigenous Native Americans or American Indians living on any American Indian Rervations or for any of the children of any Foreign Diplomats visting the U.S. or stationed in the U.S. at any Foreign Embassy, Foreign Consulate or Foreign Mission on a Foreign National Diplomatic VISA or for any of the children of any Foreign National tourists LEGALLY visiting the U.S. on a Foreign National Tourist VISA or for any of the children of any Foreign National students LEGALLY studying in the U.S. on a Foreign National Student VISA or for the children(ANCHOR BABIES) of any ILLEGAL ALIEN Foreign Nationals(inaccurately, erroneously, immorally, falaciously, deceptively, deceitfully, disingenuously, dishonestly, subversively, fradulently and Ani-Constitutionally called “illegal immigrants” or “undocumented immigrants” or “undocumented foreign workers”) who have ILLEGALLY entered the U.S. and who are ILLEGALLY remaining within the sovereign borders of the U.S. or for any of the children of any Natural Catastrophe or Natural Disaster or War Refugee Foreign Nationals granted temporary or permanent assylum within the U.S. or for any of the children of any Foreign National foreign workers who are LEGALLY working in the U.S. on a Foreign National Work VISA, should ever be granted or awarded automatic or instant U.S. American Citizenship simply because those children just happened to be accidentally or deliberately born anywhere on sovereign U.S. soil or territory. The 14th Amendment to the Conbstitution was in fact originally EXCLUSIVELY ONLY intended to LEGALLY define, to LEGALLY clarify and to LEGALLY reinforce the official U.S. status of all Black ex-slaves and especially of ALL of the children, who were born on sovereign U.S. soil or territory, of EXCLUSIVELY ONLY Black slaves and Black ex-slaves to be granted instant, immediate and automatic U.S. American Citizenship status based on the fact that ALL Black slaves were LEGALLY considered to be the LEGAL personal property of ALL U.S. NATIVE born and ALL LEGALLY naturalized LEGAL U.S. Citizens who LEGALLY owned any Black slaves at any time in any of the southern slave states prior to 1865. I believe the professor’s first name is Rayna who taught college classes at UCLA and other Universities. Rayna always insisted on being addressed as Rayna and after more than 30 years I do not remember he last name but I do remember that she was a great lecturer and Rayna defintely knew what she was talking about. Sorry about the lack of paragraphs and sorry about the run on sentences. I’m at work just typing this as fast as possible.

    • Dan az

      Gary
      Your teacher was correct!
      The BPP sought to oppose police brutality through neighborhood patrols (an approach since adopted by groups such as Copwatch). Police officers were often followed by armed Black Panthers who sought at times to aid African-Americans who were victims of police brutality and racial prejudice. Both Panthers and police died as a result of violent confrontations. By 1970, 34 Panthers had died as a result of police raids, shoot-outs and internal conflict.[25] Various police organizations claim the Black Panthers were responsible for the deaths of at least 15 law enforcement officers and the injuries of dozens more. During those years, juries found several BPP members guilty of violent crimes.

      • Dan az

        Sorry about that I forgot that I had that on paste from eddiee so Ill try again.
        14th Amendment
        The ratification of the 13th Amendment was a major victory for the North, and it was hoped that with the Emancipation Proclamation and the 13th Amendment, the effects of slavery in the United States would quickly diminish. The original plan to readmit states after acceptance of the 13th was supported by President Andrew Johnson, but the Radical Republicans, as they became known, wanted more than just a return to normalcy. They wanted to keep the power they had attained during the war years. The South did not make it easy for Johnson, however, and the so-called Black Codes started to be passed in Southern states. Congressional inquiries into the Black Codes found them to be a new way of controlling ex-slaves, fraught with violence and cruelty.

        The ensuing Reconstruction Acts placed the former CSA states under military rule, and prohibited their congressmen’s readmittance to Congress until after several steps had been taken, including the approval of the 14th Amendment. The 14th was designed to ensure that all former slaves were granted automatic United States citizenship, and that they would have all the rights and privileges as any other citizen. The amendment passed Congress on June 13, 1866, and was ratified on July 9, 1868 (757 days).

  • Francis

    When more than nine States propose legislation, to curtain the millions of illegal immigrants that freely walk the streets of America, you can address it as something seriously wrong with our government’s policies on this matter? As it been said, “America is a nation of Immigrants, but it’s also a nation of laws; without such a sound value, our country would fall into have anarchy. ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS NOT ABOUT RACE, BIGOTRY OR ANY DISCRIMINATION ON THIS ASPHYXIATION ISSUE. PLAIN AND SIMPLE, IT ABOUT MONEY! MONEY OUR COUNTRY DOESN’T HAVE ANYMORE TO SUPPORT MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL FOREIGNERS. IT’S ABOUT THE POLITICIANS PANDERING TO GET VOTES OR IMPORT CHEAP LABOR AND EXPLOIT THEM FOR BUSINESS OWNERS? THERE ARE MILLIONS OF HONEST LEGAL PEOPLE fFROM SOUTH OF THE BORDER INHABITANTS, WITH GENERATIONS OF FAMILIES LIVING HERE IN HARMONY. THIS PROBLEM IS ALSO ABOUT OVERPOPULATION AND THE FAILING INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE NEED FOR EVER MORE ENERGY AND DRINKABLE WATER.

    This country for far too long as listened to the ramblings of the ultra-Liberal agenda, pushed by such individuals as George Soros and Americans being pacified by the “Political Correct” insaneness What this personage cannot influence, he buys with his money? Hopefully we have come to a turning point in our history where moderate conservatism in the form of the rising Tea Party advocates of every man and women, race and religion see through the Liberal agenda of the free flow of anybody who can hitch a ride across the border or fly in from somewhere else?

    The American people must join these political fighters who have authored anti-illegal immigration bills–not just the TEA Party membership, but the citizens and legal residents of Kentucky, North Carolina, Texas, South Carolina, Maine, Georgia, Utah, and Florida financially hurting from the illegal alien invasion. Each of these States is suffering from this illicit occupation and each and every one has severe money problems. Into this nation we should only be accepting exceptional skilled workers, who will not become a financial burden on taxpayers. We as a sovereign country are not obligated in any way in continuing finding room, for the poverty of other countries. One–in–Six of our own countrymen live on the poverty level, so we need to start extracting other foreign countries failures. It’s unlikely the Supreme Court will entertain a revision of the 14th Amendment allowing illegal alien mothers birthright citizenship to the babies.

    But the parents have no legal standing to stay in America, other than the child. Hurtful and uncomfortable as it seems to people, this law has become ultra costly to taxpayers. It has become a pyramid scheme where the new Mother applies for welfare in the child’s name and then intentionally becomes pregnant again. Once three of four children are born to the mother is awarded low income housing, then the rest of the family moves in, including other progeny that become pregnant and the whole money making game starts over again. Each child born here receives taxpayer’s money, food stamps and other public subsidies. There are major examples of poor newcomers in this criteria bring home $30.000 dollars in welfare payments, per household. If they do pay taxes most is returned in child credits and often duplicated as both parents individually are shown how to defraud the IRS.

    In the scheme of things, is the mantra that unceasing cheap labor is good for the economy,which is a downright lie,It has been shoved down our throats by Liberal extremists, who have infiltrated into the National media.

    Therefore the 1986 Immigration law can exempt any such clemency, and the illegal parent should be deported, with or without the child who can return on reaching adulthood. In 2007, it was estimated that there were more than 13 million illegal immigrants living and working in the United States (A government figure that is unlikely to be true), and of those 13 million, it is believed that annually they are giving birth to about 363,000 children in the United States. This is quite an alarming number. Hospitals are not required to ask for a woman’s documentation when she enters a maternity ward to give birth, and the children born to illegal immigrants are granted automatic citizenship to the United States under the 14th Amendment to the Constitution of The United States. We hear daily from the left wing press that illegal immigrants pay their share of taxes, but the US government has produced evidence that for every dollar spent, foreign nationals receive three dollars back in tax credits and other programs.

    As reported by (FAIR) FAIR, the cost in 2010 of educating the children of illegal aliens is a whopping $5,850,000,000 dollars as opposed to the $14,380,000,000 it costs to educate the children of US citizens..Despite the fact that it still costs more to educate the children on US citizens, 29% of what the US spends on education in total is on ‘anchor babies and undocumented children alike and could be used elsewhere. An extra $1,220,000,000 is spent simply teaching those born to parents here illegally, English. The numbers are overwhelming. Where does all that money come from? The tax payers’ pockets, and that’s just in education. Most reports do not see the light of day, but this one from the reputable The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons must explored by the serious reader, to make any sense of the outrageous costs associated with babies of illegal aliens.

    In Stockton, California, the Silverio Family was featured in the Wall Street Journal in 2003 and a unbelievable monetary free ride after entering America? YOU MUST READ THIS REPORT ABOUT THE SPIRALING COSTS OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. IF NOTHING ELSE? IS IT NO WONDER THAT THE SANCTUARY STATE OF CALIFORNIA is in its death throe payments, pandering to the illegal alien occupation. http://www.jpands.org/vol10no1/cosman.pdf

    Then there is–CHAIN MIGRATION–afterwards, which is another incredulous expensive story. Sounds good! But ends up another financial burden on taxpayers in supporting legal immigrants, after the provider who signed an affidavit of support either cannot pay, stopped paying intentionally or lost his job. On retirement taxpayers foot the bill for all those older family members, who never paid a penny in social Security.
    Now is the time in joining the Tea Party organization near you and reclaim your rights. 202-224-3121 is the switchboard number for Washington, so that you can also contact your Congressional representative.

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  • Ellen

    We need to end welfare for anyone who is not a US citizen. We wouldn’t have as many immigrants (legal or illegal) if they couldn’t live off the taxpayers. Many European nations are ending birthright citizenship, as it has been abused there, too. The US is made up of immigrants who came here for a better life and worked hard. The abuse of our welfare system has given immigration a bad reputation and that needs to be rectified.

    • GaryTraditionalUltraConservative

      From what seems to be simple Logic, ILLEGAL ALIENS are NOT “illegal immigrants” simply because ILLEGAL ALIENS are NOT immigrants in any way, shape, form, condition or definition. All immigrants are in fact, according to the Constitution, all REAL immigrants are EXCLUSIVELY ONLY Foreign Nationals who all LEGALLY entered the U.S. by being granted LEGAL permission to LEGALLY enter the U.S., and then, from that moment forward, always continuously OBEY ALL U.S. Federal Immigration Laws everywhere at all times within the sovereign borders of the U.S. with absolutely NO exceptions and with absolutely NO excuses and with absolutely No interruptions of any types at any time. So by simple Logic, an ILLEGAL ALIEN is NOT an immigrant and an immigrant is NOT an ILLEGAL ALIEN. ILLEGAL ALIENS and REAL immigrants are as 100% totally and 100% completely different from each other as NIGHT is 100% totally and 100% completely different from DAY. Simple Logic would indicate that there is absolutely NO such thing as an “illegal immigrant” or an “undocumented immigrant” or an “undocumented foreign worker” because ALL 100% legitimate, 100% genuine and 100% REAL immigrants are ALL considered to be LEGAL according to how the Constitution considers and defines who is an immigrant and who is not an immigrant. The status of immigrant is NOT a right and the status of immigrant is NOT a human right at any time anywhere within the sovereign borders of the U.S.. The status of immigrant is EXCLUSIVELY ONLY a PRIVILEGE that can ONLY be EARNED LEGALLY by first LEGALLY entering the U.S. after being granted LEGAL permission to enter the U.S. and then by continuously always OBEYING ALL U.S. Federal Immigration Laws everywhere at ALL times without any exceptions, without any excuses and without any interruptions of any types at any time. ALL REAL immigrants know that there is NO such thing as an “illegal immigrant” or an “undocumented immigrant” because ALL REAL immigrants are always LEGAL and ALWAYS DOCUMENTED at ALL times everywhere with absolutely NO exceptions and with NO excuses and with NO interruptions of any types at any time anywhere within the sovereign borders of the U.S.. Dogs are NOT cats and cats are NOT dogs. ILLEGAL ALIENS are NOT immigrants and immigrants are NOT ILLEGAL ALIENS. There is absolutely NO such thing as an “illegal immigrant” or an “undocumented immigrant” because ALL REAL immigrants are EXCLUSIVELY ONLY Foreign Nationals who LEGALLY entered the U.S. and who continuously always OBEY ALL U.S. Federal Immigration Laws everywhere at ALL times within the sovereign borders of the U.S. with absolutely NO exceptions, NO excuses and NO interruptions of any types at any time anywhere within the sovereign borders of the U.S.. Is there any part of this that anyone does NOT understand?

  • James

    Our basic problem here is that, regardless of which major political party controls the Executive Branch, our immigration laws are no longer enforced. Arizona’s law, which requires employers to determine the citizenship status of new employees, is being challenged by U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, in federal court. This is stark evidence that the Executive Branch has no intentions of securing our national borders. That should be grounds for impeaching the president, who is supposed to execute the laws of Congress, but Congress has never even discussed it.

  • Francis

    It’s unlikely the Supreme Court will entertain a revision of the 14th Amendment allowing illegal alien mothers birthright citizenship to the babies.

    But the parents have no legal standing to stay in America, other than the child. Hurtful and uncomfortable as it seems to people, this law has become ultra costly to taxpayers. It has become a pyramid scheme where the new Mother applies for welfare in the child’s name and then intentionally becomes pregnant again. Once three of four children are born to the mother is awarded low income housing, then the rest of the family moves in, including other progeny that become pregnant and the whole money making game starts over again. Each child born here receives taxpayer’s money, food stamps and other public subsidies. There are major examples of poor newcomers in this criteria bring home $30.000 dollars in welfare payments, per household. If they do pay taxes most is returned in child credits and often duplicated as both parents individually are shown how to defraud the IRS.

    • James

      Francis, the U.S. Supreme Court has nothing whatsoever to say about amending the U.S. Constitution. Two-thirds of Congress may do it, or two-thirds of state legislatures (Article V). The sole role of the Supreme Court is to determine whether a federal law has exceeded the bounds of the Constitution’s limits, when it’s so-challenged in court.

  • Francis

    In Stockton, California, the Silverio Family was featured in the Wall Street Journal in 2003 and a unbelievable monetary free ride after entering America? YOU MUST READ THIS REPORT ABOUT THE SPIRALING COSTS OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. IF NOTHING ELSE? IS IT NO WONDER THAT THE SANCTUARY STATE OF CALIFORNIA is in its death throe payments, pandering to the illegal alien occupation. http://www.jpands.org/vol10no1/cosman.pdf

  • Francis

    Just today Governor Jerry Brown has placed before the mostly Liberal legislators in Sacramento, his outrageous budget, to save California from insolvency. His budget will cut payment to the most vulnerable–senior citizens, home care assistance and the disabled. There is no cutting to the huge pensions or benefits to public employees or the unions. Yet California the home to the majority of illegal aliens and their children remain, without the introduction of the electronic E-Verify search and verify who is illegally working, the regional policing program 287(G) to question suspicious persons and the billions spent to support foreign squatters. Unknown numbers of unwelcome nationals live in border states, that is suffering from the unfettered invasion who are helping themselves to public entitlements, through 14th Amendment children, fraudulent ID and just poor oversight of welfare programs. The Liberal Los Angeles Times who is no friend to illegal immigrant enforcement, stated in Sept 2005, that welfare, food stamp issuances totaled nearly $570 million, and the amount is projected to exceed $600 million this year. In addition, county taxpayers spend $550 million in public safety — mostly for jail costs — and nearly $500 million for health-care for illegal immigrants, Micheal Antonovich said. Read about the accounting at http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/05/local/la-me-illegal-welfare-20100906 in Los Angeles County; not the whole state.

    • James

      Well said, Illinois is also on the brink of disaster. Most states are bankrupt, but they can’t print money like the feds, they’re stuck with asking the federal government for handouts.

  • Bill

    Here is a clear cut solution to the problem. It is a suggestion based on a practice that is supported by law. I am a homeowner and have the right to own and enjoy my property, as well as defend same property when need arises. So, one night “Career Crook” decides to break into and enter my residence. I am a registered gun owner, and skilled in hitting what I shoot at.I shoot and kill Crook, the Law finds me not guilty.

    why is it so difficult for the American Public to see the parallel here? Our Country(our home) is being broken into(illegal entry),our personal belongings(welfare burden,jobs)are being stolen.We need to defend our home, no wall is going to do that.They have already proven it can be scaled in 18 seconds(done by two females).No Politicians are going to be successful either. Only a Military intervention with orders to shoot to kill will be an effective deterrent. Yes,there will be a few fatalities at first, but once word gets around the illegal traffic will drop to zero. If you want to come to our country, do it the right way. If you want to enter my house knock on the door first.

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