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Starbucks Policy Comes Under Increasing Fire From Gun Rights Opponents

May 7, 2010 by  

Starbucks policy comes under increasing fire from gun rights opponents In the ongoing dispute over Starbucks’ gun policy, gun rights opponents blasted the company’s CEO for what they consider to be "untrue" statements regarding what type of weapons can be brought into the coffee chain’s stores.

According to the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, Howard Schultz told shareholders at the company’s annual meeting that only unloaded guns could be brought into Starbucks stores, and that the company follows state laws.

However, the organization countered those claims by saying that only two of the states that permit "open carry" of firearms require the guns to be unloaded, while all other states that allow "open carry" allow loaded guns to be carried.

The campaign also launched an online petition asking Americans to urge the coffee chain to bar guns from its stores, and claims that it has so far gathered 34,000 signatures.

However, Starbucks’ official gun policy remains unchanged. The company website says that "we comply with local laws and statutes in all the communities we serve [and] abide by the laws that permit open carry in 43 U.S. states."

It goes on to state that "the political, policy and legal debates around these issues belong in the legislatures and courts, not in our stores."ADNFCR-1961-ID-19759965-ADNFCR

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  • Thom Prince

    To Howard Schultz I’d like to say, when it comes to stopping for coffee – “Oh, thank heaven for 7/11.”

    • Tom S.

      Please! Go somewhere – ANYWHERE – else for your coffee.ESPECIALLY 7-11.
      You’ll have a much BETTER chance of being shot there during one of their many robberies.
      I agree, “Oh, thank heaven for 7-11.” Especially if it rids us of one more uninformed, knee jerk Brady ideologues like YOU.

    • Mark

      I like the coffee and I feel very secure there, with it well know that many responsible, licensed citizens like me are carrying and hanging out there, I’m sure starting crap at a Starbucks is at the bottom of the list for criminals. Poor libtards, all those guns and ZERO problems to point at.

  • CJ

    I’ve emailed Starbucks on this, thanking them for standing on principle and not giving in to “rights removers”. I only wish there was one close so I could sip a cup with my uncomfortably concealed weapon in the open. The Brady group’s ideal just doesn’t make sense when a business has to hire someone who carries a gun to protect them when they could just allow legally authorized people to do it for free. Starbucks is smart, talk about cheap security.

    • Tom S.

      And we’re especially alert due to the wonderful coffee they serve there.
      Hey, wait a minute! Free security?
      Maybe we should negotiate for a free cup of coffee every once in a while. ;0)

      • CJ

        I think any business needing security should OPENLY advertise that they offer something free with a purchase to anybody who carries openly. However, there is one drawback to this. Someone wanting to identify carriers can have spotters watching for it. Then, an observant employee will watch for the spotters. It’s a fine line to walk. By the way, I support Starbucks by buying bagged coffee under their Seattle’s Best line, too.

  • http://www.thunderriverhome.blogspot.com hazmat

    What ongoing dispute? Ain’t this a little late? I mean this whole dust up is soooo two months ago. Why would you want to go stirring up old wounds? Poor Paul and his merry band are still smarting from getting drubbed by Starbucks and the pro-rights community, so I would hazard a guess you still don’t agree with it.

    The Brady Bunch has backed off it’s little PR blitz. I believe the smoke has cleared and Starbucks was declared the winner.

    • Tom

      Exactly. This is just the death throes of the anti-gun movement to try – one last time – to get Starbucks to change their minds and cave to liberal pressure.
      Stay strong Starbucks!

  • obiwan

    I carry concealed, loaded and hot anywhere.

    • Tom

      Ditto. An unloaded gun is nothing more than a paperweight.

    • JC

      The only way to roll. If we all did, I’d give the crime rate 6 months to be cut in half.

  • http://msn Dale

    I agree with Starbucks we should all follow the law. One thing The Brady Campaign, Mayor Bloomburg and other people like them have in common is their hatred for law abiding people. They never condem criminals for their acts. If we adopted their policy of an unarmed country we would all be victims of crime and powerless to protect ourselves.

    • Tom

      Yeah! Whatever happened to holding people accountable for their actions? Liberals hug them and whisper in their ears that “It’s okay… We know you had a hard time growing up. Don’t worry, we won’t let anybody make you pay for your crimes.
      I always wondered why my dad called liberals “bleeding hearts.” Now I know.

    • JC

      “Powerles to protect ourselves”…those are the operative words.

  • rwnut

    We’re invaded from our southern border. We’re now being attacked from within by the jihadi’s and the islami’s thanks to our governments policy of “diversity”.
    Isoroku Yamamoto said this…I would never invade the United States. There would be a gun behind every blade of grass”.
    What America needs is a lawfully armed citizen behind every Starbucks cup!

  • Jim H.

    Star Bucks coffee sizes come in grande, vente, and MAGNUM.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Jim H,
      make mine magnum!!!!! I heard they also come in the smaller 9MM size!!!

      • JeffH

        They call the individual esspresso shots the 22magnum.

        • Jim H.

          I think the price of the MAGNUM is 357.

    • JC

      haha…That’s Great! :)

  • http://gmail i41

    Anyone want to help me form a Starbucks Gun Club. Open to blackpowder and automics, .22′s to 50 caliber. One thing when dems and the socialist dinks always ask, why do you want a gun that can fire a zillion rounds before you reload, and I ask why do you need a 500 horsepowered engine , in a 2000 pound fiberglass roller skate, when a 3.5 horse powerred lawn mower motor would work? Because I can, that’s why. Dems have a vapor block between the ears, due to their eleitist attitude. Go Starbucks, set up a round for everyone and chamber a round.

  • eddie47d

    i41; Starbucks never had a problem until gunowners made it a problem. Your last sentence proved that you are setting them up for trouble and trouble always arrives. You can also set your house on fire and collect the insurance money with your way of thinking. “because I can”. Maybe you have the vapor block.

    • JeffH

      eddie47d, that is a blatant mis-truth. Starbucks never had a problem until the anti-gun group Brady Bunch went after them. They didn’t ask to be involved, the Brady Campaign involved Starbucks. Liberals always want to make societies rules to fit their beliefs. The rest of us just want to be left alone without any thoughtless intrusions into our lives. This is still a free America in case you hadn’t realized.

      • DaveH

        Does that surprise you, Jeff?
        Liberals misinform.
        Liberals are bullys.
        I’ve known both of those things for most of my life.

        • JeffH

          Not at all.

  • rjg

    I’m not an opponent of guns nor do I own any however….
    Is that what it has come to down there? Danger lurking at ever corner. You don’t feel safe unless you are carrying a weapon? What a way to live.

    • JeffH

      leave it to a liberal try to blow everything out of proportion and put their own spin on the issue…

    • rwnut

      rjg…I could give you a bookfull of FACTS about danger on every corner but it would do no good.It’s out there and you know it.
      Somewhere in the back of my conspiracy laden mind a little voice tells me you are a protected species.I’m glad for you that you’re happy not carrying a gun.I’m glad you live in your safe little corner of the world where Janet Nippletano lives.Question…when do I get my protection,and from whom? You’re right about one thing…I’m carrying and I feel safe as hell!
      Something tells me your tip-toe-ing through the tulips.

    • DaveH

      Did you not watch the video I posted, rjg?
      Tell that to the people who are now 6 feet under because they were afraid to protect themselves for fear of breaking a misguided law.
      The problem with defense is that you rarely know you are going to need it until the actual event, so it would require nearly constant carry.
      Offense on the other hand is usually planned so the Criminal knows exactly when to carry the weapon for the least amount of exposure to the anti-gun laws. Plus, he is called a criminal for a reason. He doesn’t care if it is against the law. Only the law-abiding citizens get stuck with the laws even if it may cost them their lives.
      As far as I’m concerned, the Liberals are accessories in the murders of all those victims who might not have been victims had they been allowed to protect themselves freely.

  • Claire

    Geez–I have never been to Stabucks. I like my own coffee.

    • JeffH

      Claire, pretty decent coffee and they usually employ good, courteous efficient people. They’re like a well oiled machine. I might hit their drive through once or twice a month for a Venti Mocha.

      • Claire

        JeffH– If I happen to be near a Starbucks I’ll give it a go. It is just that I like my own coffee-and if I eat in a restaurant or someplace I never order coffee. It is always too bitter and strong.

        • JeffH

          It’s always more a matter of convienience than anything else. I ususlly brew my own every morning for my bro and I.

          Starbucks has blossomed into a giant corporation, which irks some people. I believe their founder came from the San Francisco bay area and was originally involved with Peet’s Coffee in Oakland.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            JeffH,
            You just reminded me, and I applolgize but, how is it with your brother? Tell him all the best from me!

          • JeffH

            He’s doing fine. He’s out playing gold with his church buddies today.
            Thanks for asking.

          • DaveH

            Jeff,
            I wish I had a brother like you. Mine is much more like Obama.

          • JeffH

            DaveH, thanks…I have tremendous respect for my brother, always have. He’s a year younger than I am. I don’t think we’ve had a cross word with each other since our teens. When I was down and went through my health situation in early 2008, he offered me a place to live. It’s worked out well for both of us because I’m able to help him ease his financial burden just a bit. I’m sure he could qualify for some assistanc, but he won’t because he has too much pride. We do pretty well and stay out of each others way. Oh, he’s more conservative than I am but he doesn’t own any guns. That’s always been my department, like a hobby almost.

        • rwnut

          Claire…try one of them Rockt Marciano’s with a little caramel floaten on top. As Hussien Yo Mamma would say, “UMMM-UMMM-UMMM”.I highly recommend it!

          • Claire

            rwnut— Okay. I will try it! I will try yours and JeffH’s.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Claire,
          What do you do on the road for breakfast?? I GOTTA have my coffee first thing in the morning. I don’t drink, I don’t smoke, but I do have the vice of coffee in the morn!!! Did I mention that since I quit drinkin and smokin, I cut out a lot of paper people??? Just kidding!!!

          • Claire

            JoeH– When I am traveling to a dog show, I have a big thermos that I fill up with my own coffee. When that is gone, I drink chocolate milk until I get home. Since I can only go for one day instead of an entire weekend, it isn’t too bad. My son usually stays with my husband until I get back home. Then the minute I get home, I have to have my coffee.
            And yes, first thing in the morning after I get the dogs out, I make my coffee, bring the dogs in, feed them, and drink to my heart’s content.

          • rwnut

            JoeH,JeffH,DaveH…Hey,wait a minute,I think I’m having a right wing conspiracy! Do I detect a family here? Perhaps a whole rightwing family bent on self preservation,concealed carry,and protecting their fellow man? Could it be? Wouldn’t that be great? OOOOOOHHHHHHH my head hurts!

  • JPW-

    Growing up in the midwest guns were always a part of my life.All the above posts seem ok but what I got out of Starbucks post was they were just following the law.I never had the urge to pack a gun to get a cup of coffee or to do so would be like saying “Me the Man look at the gun I have”.Seems a little silly.When in town we left our guns out in the trunk locked up.Starbucks coffee may be great but I’m kinda cheap and would’nt pay $5 for a $1 cup of coffee. Save my money for ammo.Also I would support a ban on lead shot in federal wildlife managenent area which is self explanatory.

  • JPW-

    PS; Hope Johnny Cash does’nt look down and see my post after all the times I’ve heard him tell us not to take our guns to town son.

    • rwnut

      I never had that urge either till all those unarmed people were killed at Luby’s,and all those soldiers were killed at Fort Hood.(just 2 examples) An unarmed citizenry and now an unarmed military! JPW,I’ll protect you while you scurry for the trunk of your car when the crazy comes in.”Me the Man look at the gun I have”would suddenly mean the world to you.Keep giving in to the banners and you won’t have ANY ammo.I think I smell a liberal conspiracy here.I think Johnny knew that “son” had more on his mind than loven.
      The NRA has studied the issue and it does not have one shred of legitimate scientific data to back up the claims that using lead shot in hunting has any negative impact on wildlife populations or the environment.

      • JC

        Gun Free zones are Target Zones for nut jobs. Who BTW can also get guns…

      • Jim H.

        rwnut, Some environmentalists worry about some lead shot getting into the water, but I wonder how many lead sinkers used for fishing get snagged in streams and lakes and are left there. No one wants to ban lead sinkers.I don’t think lead is the issue, just how it got there.

        • JeffH

          Oh don’t kid yourself bout the lead sinkers.

          State law prohibits the use of lead sinkers and jigs in all fresh water in New Hampshire, including lakes, ponds, rivers and streams. The ban prohibits the use of lead sinkers weighing 1 ounce or less and lead jigs less than 1 inch long along their longest axis.

          The law also prohibits the sale in New Hampshire of lead sinkers weighing 1 ounce or less and lead jigs less than 1 inch long along their longest axis.

        • JeffH

          WHERE HAVE LEAD SINKERS BEEN BANNED?

          Great Britain banned the use of lead sinkers in 1987.
          In Canada, it is illegal to use lead sinkers and jigs in national parks.
          The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is currently considering banning the use of lead sinkers and jigs on national wildlife refuges where loons and Trumpeter swans breed.
          Lead sinker use is banned in three national refuges and Yellowstone National Park in the United States.
          Maine banned the sale of lead sinkers and jigs less than one oz.
          New York banned the sale of lead sinkers less than one oz.
          New Hampshire passed a ban on the use of lead sinkers and jigs less than one oz. and less than one inch.
          As of 2006, a ban on the sale of lead sinkers and jigs will also be put into effect in New Hampshire.

          • JC

            It’s not really a big deal..just use steel shot.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            JC,
            Check out the condition of your barrel after using steel shot for awhile! It can tear it up.

          • JC

            Probably true. I have a couple, but I don’t use a shotgun much.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        rwnut,
        I didn’t either till the town ten miles away that I used to live in became a sanctuary city. I don’t feel safe here any more!! I emailed my cong person to let him know I didn’t like it one bit either. Told him we needed to support Arizona and that I had always supported him and hoped I could continue! I know 12 more that have contacted him as well and said the same thing. I personally talked them into it!

  • DaveH
  • DaveH

    Recent video of NRA’s Wayne LaPierre cozying up to Harry Reid:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flbzbFbKxK0

    • JeffH

      Dirty Harry is a gun guy. Might want to read this letter from the NRA/ILA dated July 10, 2009.

      http://media.lasvegassun.com/media/pdfs/blogs/documents/2009/07/15/Reid_-_NRA_Letter.pdf

    • JeffH

      Tough to swallow, but I have to keep it in perspective.

      I’ve seen no “endorsement” of Harry Reid by the NRA but they have encouraged Nevadan gun owners to thank him for that gun range support. Afterall, it is a big deal.
      There is a very fine political line to walk for gun owners and I do not believe that the NRA will, in any way, offer their endorsement for Harry Reid .

      I did see that Dirty Harry recieved a B rating from the NRA in the 2004 Nevada Senate race, his opponent was given an A rating.

  • Cindy

    This is for all you liberal socialists mutts like denniso and un-American liberal that keep asking what obummer has done to try and strip our 2nd amendment rights out of the Constitution.
    HR-2159 This is in addition to the 3 other attempts he has against our 2nd amendment.
    #1. “HR-45″,
    #2. “Hillary Clintons U.N. Small Arms Treaty”,
    #3 The “So Called Assault Weapons Ban”, banning all semi-automatic rifles and shotguns!

    HR-2159
    From: The National Assosiation for Gun Rights

    Please forgive my bluntness, but the United States Government thinks you’re a terrorist.

    And now they’re trying to pass a bill allowing gun-grabbing Attorney General Eric Holder to revoke all your Second Amendment rights at will if he has “a reasonable belief” you could pose a “threat.”

    I know this sounds unbelievable, but read on.

    As you know, in a recently released report, the goons at Barack Obama’s Department of Homeland Security classified gun owners, honorably discharged veterans and little old church ladies as threats to the security and stability of the United States of America.

    Even a gesture as simple as placing a pro-gun bumper sticker on your car, or supporting a pro-gun candidate makes you a potential “domestic terrorist” in the eyes of the thugs running our government.

    Obviously, your First Amendment rights of free speech mean as much to Obama’s Department of Homeland Security as your Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.

    And to add insult to injury, Barack Obama’s Surveillance Czar Janet Napolitano sees no difference between law-abiding gun owners like you and violent racists who murder and vandalize.

    But if that’s not shocking and outrageous enough, it gets worse . . .

    Republican quislings Peter King of New York, Mark Kirk of Illinois and Mike Castle of Delaware have introduced a new gun control bill that comes right out of this so-called “Rightwing Extremist” report.

    I’m talking about H.R. 2159, the shockingly misnamed “Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009.”

    I call it the “Disarming American Citizens Act of 2009.”

    These anti-gun Republicans-in-Name-Only want to disarm you because they fear your pro-liberty views.

    In fact, your love of freedom frightens them so much that they’re now going to great lengths to label you a domestic terrorist.

    It’s the perfect way to silence “troublemakers” like you and me, and to marginalize our influence.

    And make no mistake: If Congress passes H.R. 2159, Eric Holder would have the authority to deny thousands of innocent Americans their constitutionally protected rights.

    But this bill isn’t just about Eric Holder taking away your Second Amendment rights if you’re “appropriately suspected” of “terrorism.”

    H.R. 2159 also allows Holder and his team of gun-grabbing henchmen to “withhold” any and all evidence from you or a court if Holder & co. “determine” that it might “compromise national security.”

    These are the same people who labeled small government advocates potential “domestic terrorists!” Who cares what they “determine”?

    Even more ridiculous, H.R. 2159 says that the courts “must” rely on Eric Holder’s personally “redacted versions” or “summaries” of the “evidence” he supposedly has against you . . .

    . . . and he never has to release the evidence he claims to have!

    They could annul your Second Amendment rights and convict you in a court of “law” without a shred of actual evidence . . . legally!

    NAGR needs your help today to stop H.R. 2159 from progressing any farther. Please join us today, and forward this to your 2nd amendment friends and supporters.

    You already know Attorney General Eric Holder is Barack Obama’s most ruthless anti-gun henchman.

    And we all know what Barack Obama himself thinks of gun owners.

    As a candidate, he claimed you and I were “bitter” uneducated folks “clinging” to guns out of hatred and frustration.

    And now as President, he and Surveillance Czar Janet Napolitano have gone a step further in declaring gun rights activists and pro-gun voters domestic terrorist threats.

    To make matters worse, Republican scalawags Mike Castle and Mark Kirk — both notorious anti-gunners — are working with Obama and Carolyn McCarthy to strip you of your most fundamental freedoms.

    If H.R. 2159 becomes law, Eric Holder — or any other Attorney General for that matter — will be allowed to disarm you based on your political views without having to provide any evidence for his claims.

    The National Association for Gun Rights is ready to stop H.R. 2159, the Disarming American Citizens Act.

    I’m committed to this fight. Are you?

    I hope you realize how dangerous this bill is. And I hope I can count on you to help.

    Without your help, the National Association for Gun Rights will be unable to notify and mobilize gun owners across the country to combat this newest infringement on our constitutional rights.

    That is why it is imperative that you send in your most generous donation possible.

    Let me give you an idea of what gun owners are up against.

    With anti-gun Barack Obama in the White House, and Nancy Pelosi ruling the House of Representatives with an iron fist, our only hope to stop the Disarming American Citizens Act is in the Senate.

    As I’ve told you before, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid finds himself between a rock and a hard place.

    Even as his re-election to the Senate from pro-gun Nevada is very much in doubt, anti-gunners like Sarah Brady and MoveOn.org are pressuring him to do their bidding in Washington.

    To break a politician like Harry Reid, NAGR needs to stir up a hornet’s nest of discontent among gun owners across the country and especially in targeted states like Nevada.

    The good news is we have the ability to contact hundreds of thousands of gun owners by phone, fax, email and traditional mail.

    Unfortunately, reaching gun owners in a timely manner takes resources we simply don’t have.

    Fighting for our right to keep and bear arms isn’t cheap.

    For example, with the recent postage increases, it now costs the National Association for Gun Rights well over $1000 to produce and mail a letter to 1000 gun owners.

    But no matter what, we simply cannot let H.R. 2159, the Disarming American Citizens Act, become law.

    That’s why it’s imperative you take a moment to send in your most generous donation possible.

    If you can chip in $10 it will make a huge difference in our fight to stop H.R. 2159.

    I wouldn’t ask if I didn’t know it was vitally important.

    I know that times are tough in this economy, but if you can chip in just $10, it could mean the difference between success and failure for this program.

    I thank you in advance for your generous contribution.

    For Liberty,

    Dudley Brown
    Executive Director
    National Association for Gun Rights

    P.S. Your gun rights are in peril again. If H.R. 2159, the Disarming American Citizens Act, passes, anti-gun zealot Eric Holder could strip you of your right to keep and bear arms for something as simple as a pro-gun bumper sticker.

    Worse, the bill allows Holder to withhold evidence in the event of a court case, and demands that the courts rely on Holder’s personally “redacted” versions of whatever evidence he claims to have.

    Please help fight this anti second amendment measure.

    To help the National Association for Gun Rights grow, please forward this to a friend.

    Help fight gun control. Join the National Association for Gun Rights!

  • JeffH

    Cindy and everyone else that keeps referring to HR45…
    H.R.45 – Blair Holt’s Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009

    HR45 : Feb 9th, 2009 was Referred to the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security. There is no support for this bill and there has been no further movement of this bill.

    This bill is a dead issue.

    • Cindy

      Jeff, It’s my understanding that a bill is not dead just because it currently doesn’t have support. Until it is removed and buried 6 feet under, it can still be revived. Look at all the democrats who changed their minds and fell on their swords for the healthcare bill.

      • JeffH

        Cindy, I understand that, but this bill is dead as we sit here,
        but you are right, “it ain’t over til it’s over”.

        • Cindy

          Jeff,
          I just hope there are enough liberal dims and rinos that want to be re-elected in Nov. that they realize supporting ANY of these bills will be political suicide. We all need to remind them of this with emails, signing 2nd amendment petitions, phone calls, and letters. All of the major 2nd amendment sites have petitions and letters that we can sign, that they deliver to Congress on a weekly or monthly basis. We need to keep the pressure on.

          • JeffH

            Cindy, very true. I do all of that several times a week and when I recieve email update through the various freedom and 2nd Amendment organizations. Never let our guard down, ever!

  • chuck b
    • JeffH

      chuck b, thanks for the fun.

    • Jim H.

      Chuck, Fun little game. Thanks.

  • eddie47d

    chuck b. I rest my case, Your all alittle crazy and derranged.

  • JeffH

    eddie47d says:
    May 9, 2010 at 6:17 pm
    chuck b. I rest my case, Your all alittle crazy and derranged.

    eddie47d, you never had a case to rest in the first place.

    If that is the best you got, I’d like to see what you have when you come real prepared.

    You people are in for a very rude awakening in November.

  • chuck b

    eddie47

    whats the matter can’t you shoot straight.

    • JeffH

      chuck, thanks again…I’ve emailed the link to all of my friends.
      I’m up to 32 now.

  • eddie47d

    Jeff H. Yes I’ve been in a Starbucks so your humor is fairly lame. When it comes to elections I always say may the best person win from any party.

    • JeffH

      eddie47d, your arguements are lame..It’s nice that you go to Starbucks, for whatever that has to do with anything.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        JeffH,
        I thought it was hillarious!!!

  • eddie47d

    Rwnut; Your always smelling conspiracies like the majority on this site. Next time check your drawers first. Go ahead and wave your “patriotic” gun in my face and play king of the hill. Are we all suppose to bow down to your lock and load threats and bullying Starbucks into submission so you can feel all better. I have never felt threatened or even concerned at any Starbucks but now we all have to be suspicious of anyone who enters.(so thanks for nothing). Guns make few situations safer just deadlier. 7-11 clerks hardly need weapons for they are in constent motion. (filling coffee and soda containers and all the other duties they have). Anyone at anytime, especially at night,could go in there and pop a clerk off before he could even blink. Since most are robbed when no one is around all you super heros who want to save the day wouldn’t make any difference anyway. So all your grandstanding is ludicrous. If you feel America is such a threat maybe you have the problem. I’ve been in all 50 states with my family and have never felt threatened or fearful like many of you. I’ve been in So. L.A.,So. Chicago, Harlem,the Bowery and a few other unsavory places but I never thought someone was out to get me. I’m cautious but not paranoid,and that’s the same attitude I had in Vietnam. Albeit I did have a weapon over there. If you have so much mistrust for your fellow Americans;that everyone is out to get you then you are one cold hearted person. And certainly a danger to anyone in a Starbucks.

    • JC

      And all this from the perspective of a frightened socialist rabbitt.
      We’d love to join you in your fear of all things real, but we would rather live above ground.

    • JUST SAY NO to bigger government

      Eddie47duh,
      AGAIN with your misstated facts, and your feeble attempt to put your liberal spin on the TRUE FACTS!
      #1. WE the 2nd amendment supporters ARE NOT BULLYING STARBUCKS!

      #2. We are SUPPORTING Starbucks in their policy of allowing open carry, and their support in honoring local laws!

      #3. Sarah Brady, and YOU EDDIE, and your liberal spin doctors, are the ones trying to bully Starbucks into submitting to stopping open carry in their stores.

      #4. Eddie47, You need to do a better job of remembering what it is that YOU’RE LYING ABOUT, so you don’t get so confused all the time!

      • rwnut

        Hey eddie,while I’m checking out the conspiracies and reading between the lines you can follow your leftwing,liberal,anti-american,sissy-ass politicians into oblivion.Put down your pom-pom’s you little Hussien Obama cheerleader you.Your problem is you ABSOLUTLY REFUSE to face the real world.I’m the BEST FRIEND YOU EVER HAD.Keep pretending,keep kissing everyones a– and you’ll never be free eddie.Don’t lose heart,me and my gun are here.OUT OF MY COLD DEAD HANDS!

  • eddie47d

    JC, I said just the opposite but you wouldn’t comprehend.

    • JC

      I comprehend just fine. You’re a socialist. Nuff said.

  • eddie47d

    Who controlled Afghanistan for years and actually still does? Armed citizens,not the government;an armed populace can be a very dangerous form of control.Why is Pakistan such a mess? Mostly because it’s a police (military) state on one hand and it allows it’s populace to controls numerous seperate regions of it’s nation. You know,states rights. The Taliban and other assorted extremists have plenty of weapons to control these states. Their populace is under the thumb of the gun owners and it’s not a pretty life. The government is finally trying to do something about it but only with millions of American tax dollars. The government was not respected because it allowed one group of citizens to have control over another and did nothing. When gun owners can control the hearts and minds of who a citizen worships,where they can travel or where they work then you end up with totalitarian mini-states. Our Civil War proved how devisive that can be. Even the Aryan Nation (under Butler) tried to encourage those of his ilk to set up a seperate state in Idaho back in the 90′s. So allowing citizens to have guns WHILE the government is weak and ineffective can also be dangerous. Most people would like a sensible balance. No one wants a police state where the government dictates your wherabouts and nobody wants it’s citizens running around half cocked shooting (or wanting too shoot) anyone who doesn’t agree with them. I have heard that numerous times on this site;about shooting immigrants,liberals,and even the President. Your, We won’t have any gun laws unless it’s over my dead body propaganda does more harm than good.

    • JeffH

      eddie47d go preach your almighty gun sense to the Brady Campaign or MAIG. The facts are very clear here and no one has ever said a thing about “shooting” the POTUS. As long as we free citizens are allowed to own guns, as an inherent right, means we have the ability to protect us from tyranny and oppression from government. Don’t say it can’t happen because world history proves otherwise. Don’t lay that Afghanistan crap in here because we are a somewhat more civilized society. And don’t think for a minute that government is weak and innefective. This president, more than any previous administration, is 100% anti-gun and his voting record as a senator is 100% for all anti-gun legislation he’s ever voted on.

      I’ll finish with lock and load and Keep some powder dry.

      Simple words CAN have an effect on a simple mind.

      • http://www.xanga.com/STEVENPILL Steven Mark Pilling

        It appears that Eddie is trying to draw a moral equivalence between the sovereign states of America… and Waziristan! Just a bit of a stretch, wouldn’t you say?!

        • JeffH

          eddie47d would first have to have a set of morals.

          Individual rights are the means of subordinating society to moral law.
          AYN RAND

  • Granny

    I don’t understand what all the discussion is about. I’m an elderly grandmother with a CCW permit. We have no Starbucks in our little town, but if we did I would certainly patronize them. Anyone who is bent on robbing or otherwise harming someone else is NOT CONCERNED whether or not is is legal or politically correct to carry a firemarm. The only folks who are concerned with the LAW are those who enforce or abide by it. Starbucks or any other business should have the right to determine how that business is operated. The guideline will be those actions that allow them to make a profit and pay their employees…perhaps even hire more people. What a concept!

    • Cindy

      You said it Granny, and congrats on being a CCW permit holder. We need more like you!

  • eddie47d

    Jeff H. Who cares if you own a gun or a yo-yo for that matter. You apparently approve of the many sinister comments that are made by gun owners. Yes they have made unsavory comments about shooting Obama.When a person is talking about grabbing their guns and taking Obama out I think the message is crystal clear.( and it’s not at the voting booth.)I would feel the same way if someone made a physical threat against George Bush. I bet the Taliban told their followers that they needed guns to destroy the evil,tyrannical Afghan government back in the 80′s. So I will lay that Afghan “crap” on you.”Don’t say it can’t happen here because because history has proven otherwise.” Somalia is another prime example. The government was destroyed and the people with the guns took over and created chaos. Guns gave them unequal power where they held the govt. hostage and forced the civilian society to abide by their rules. Guns can be a useful tool or a deadly threat and whether a criminal goes into a bank or an activist flaunts it at a Starbucks they are both abusing that privilage.

    • JeffH

      eddie47d get on with your bad self…tell it to someone that will listen. If you need a “soapbox”, I’ll do what I can to get one to you, that way you can vocally demonstrate your mental shortcomings to a much larger crowd.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        edduh47,
        show me any post here that anybody said anything of the sort about Obama! You sir, are an ass!!!

    • JeffH

      eddie47d, you should make that speech on Comedy Central so the whole world could have a good laugh!

    • Cindy

      LOL Eddie47dud;
      Since you brought it up, maybe you should limit yourself to the yo yo Eddie, and leave the guns to the rest of us who aren’t mentally unhinged ;-)

      As for trying to find an intelligent conservative to have a conversation with? There are a lot of them here, however you have insulted all of them with your lies, and ignorant twisting of the facts and truth, so they/I don’t respect you anymore. Respect is earned Eddie. It is not given freely like a welfare check. Only liberals, and other ignorant people think that they are deserving of respect without ever doing anything to earn it. If you continue on here as you have been, you will never get any respect, and before long you will be competing with the “anti-American Liberal” hack for bottom rung on the ladder, and we won’t bother to answer your posts anymore.

    • rwnut

      Eddie, I KNEW IF YOU OPENED YOUR MOUTH ENOUGH YOU WOULD PROVE YOU”RE A CONSPIRACY THEORIST!

  • Cindy

    Eddie47;
    Comparing the USA to a third world country like Afghanistan, or Somalia, is like comparing your liberal socialist brain, to that of an intelligent conservative. It doesn’t compute or compare, but thanks for the laugh, and your liberal socialist spin on the history lesson.

  • eddie47d

    Cindy,I’m searching for an intelligent conservative on this site and there are few. Sorry you are not one of them. Obviously my point went way over your head which came out in your snipey comment. Think for a change and it will compute. There are plenty of gun owners who act like they live in a third world country. The 2nd.Admendment doesn’t bother me but it sure bothers you. The 2nd Admendment doesn’t give anyone anywhere the right to threaten anybody. Especially with an open-carry or concealed carry in your face attitude. Back in the 60′s the Weather Underground wanted everyone to arm themselves and take back the government.Now we have all kinds of right wing groups telling everyone to arm themselves and take back the government. Dejavu. Both sides had or have ligitimate reasons to be angry,but this nation doesn’t need all these calls to violence. I’ve heard plenty of that sorry talk. It didn’t work back then and I hope the extremists don’t win this time either.

    • JeffH

      eddie47d, remember earlier when I said to come prepared.
      I’ll repeat, you’ve yet to come prepared!

      Bury your fearfull self away from all of these nice, safe, honest gun owners, they’re just bullies! lol

      LOCK AND LOAD…AR-15…44 Magnum…357 Magnum…12 gauge shotgun…BOO!

    • rwnut

      eddie,you’ve attended the Owhama Bamma school of communism and passed with flying colors.Like a true Saul Alinsky communist,socialist,liberal,all you know how you know how to do is tell a lie,tell it often,then repeat it again and again and everyone will believe it.My conspiracy laden mind tells me you have an agenda to disarm America.With all your mumbo jumbo all I can do is read between the lines and it ain’t good for America.

  • eddie47d

    Get over yourself Jeff your not as important as you think. I don’t do comedy and certainly don’t herd sheep like you have been doing lately. Just a week and a half ago you told someone you were going to change your ways and only stick to the facts and no more rude remarks. Darn, You lied again. Go spin some more yarns with your new friend Cindy.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      edduh,
      you bring out the worst in all of us!!! when you lie and tell half truths it happens!!

      • Steve

        Eddie47dud finally told the truth for once! He DOESN’T herd sheep anymore. The sheep are too wary of him now after the….. ummm… the.. well lets just call it “the incident”

        • JeffH

          Steve, last time eddie was ridiculed was when he was caught with the fluffy one that had the pink nose…it kept calling him DDDDAAAAAADDDDD…DDDDAAAADDDD….DDDDAAAADDDD

          • Steve

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          • Steve

            censored… rats…. I guess commenting on a certain liberals affinity for sheep is off topic. I will limit my comments to ignorant, liberal socialist political views, and all the lies he tells.

    • JeffH

      steady eddie47dddd…your not the sheep herder, you’re part of the flock ole boy!
      “Just a week and a half ago you told someone you were going to change your ways and only stick to the facts and no more rude remarks.”

      liar liar pants are on fire!

      bringing in the sheep
      bringing in the sheep

      • rwnut

        And eddies little piggy went wee wee wee all the way home!

    • rwnut

      I know what’s happened eddie,everyone at Starbucks has to wear hip boots to wade through your B— S—,and you have no where else to go.

      • Steve

        Ha Ha Ha Ha! Sooooo that’s the problem!!!! ;-)

  • Steve

    Eddie47, anti American liberal, dungaso, and all other liberal socialists that think they are “more intelligent” than the framers of the C.O.T.U.S. and don’t think the 2nd amendment matters. Here is something that you all have probably seen as it has has been around before, but try and read it this time, AND pay attention.

    In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
    In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
    Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated
    China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
    Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
    Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated
    Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million ‘educated’ people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
    It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results are now in:
    Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent, assaults are up 8.6 percent, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent), In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!
    Note: Admiral Yamamoto who crafted the attack on Pearl Harbor had attended Harvard U 1919-1921 & was Naval Attachï to the U. S. 1925-28. Most of our Navy was destroyed at Pearl Harbor & our Army had been deprived of funding & was ill prepared to defend the country. It was reported that when asked why Japan did not follow up the Pearl Harbor attack with an invasion of the U.S. Mainland, his reply was that he had lived in the U.S. & knew that almost all households had guns.

    Switzerland, who requires their men serve a tour in the Army also requires them to keep their issued weapon, and pass an annual field-test for proficiency. They have never been invaded.

    Still don’t care about your 2nd amendment rights?

  • rwnut

    eddie47d, What part of “the RIGHT to KEEP and BEAR ARMS shall NOT BE INFRINGED” don’t you understand? I forgot,understanding is not in your and Joe(stand-up-cripple)Biden’s vocabulary. It’s like coloring,eddie,the picture says #1 is red,you use the red crayon eddie.I know you’re confused,eddie.When you see light at the end of the tunnel,it’s always wise to go toward it.Were waiting,eddie.BREAK THOSE SHACKLES,EDDIE.FREE YOURSELF!

  • Tom

    Ed, A lot of people, here, have made some unkind comments that will do nothing to persuade you – not that you COULD be. But, in fairness, you’ve kind of perpetuated it.
    I have little doubt that you’re just a troll saying things to get a rise. And it’s worked to some degree.
    It’s very frustrating for pro-gunners, like most of us here, to understand a liberals’ apparent uneasiness with firearms.
    It’s even MORE maddening when liberals try to force us to disarm for, what we know to be, elitist pacifistic ideology that (we feel) isn’t realistic.
    Let’s reverse rolls here for a second, Ed. Let’s say that tomorrow congress passed a bill that required every adult (no – I’m not including people with violent backgrounds, mental problems, etc.) to purchase a gun and carry it with them 24/7 (loaded of course – I’m trying to limit your wiggle room here so that you don’t derail the train of thought with useless ambiguities). And you had a month to comply or you’ll be heavily fined and/or jailed.
    How would that make you feel, Ed? Would you come up with slogans like, “You can force me to have a gun when you wrap my cold dead fingers around one?”
    Or maybe you’d argue, that, while the 2nd amendment guarantees people the right to posses and carry firearms that it’s an OPTION not a mandate.
    Do you see where I’m going with this?
    And it doesn’t have to be limited to guns. It can be anything.
    Let’s switch back to taking things AWAY because someone, somewhere, thinks is bad for you.
    How about computers? We all know the porn and sick people that we expose ourselves to – on it. Let’s ban that okay?
    Abortion. Now HERE’S a juicy one. You’re most likely pro-choice, right? Well imagine an out of control congress (kind of like the one we currently have) who decides that abortions are now illegal… for ANY reason. Even if it endangers the life of the mother.
    Extreme? Over the top? Unfair? Unconstitutional? Immoral?
    Says who?
    Let me cut you off before you go and say that all of that could never happen, or that it’s not the same, etc.
    I’ll admit that the examples may not directly relate but it’s the POINT I’m making, not the means.
    What I’m trying to say is this: If you decide to patronize Starbucks, and you see someone openly carrying and it makes you uncomfortable – leave. You don’t HAVE to be there.
    And, again, I think I know your response. “But why should I have to leave?” Why shouldn’t the person with the gun have to leave?”
    Here’s where your tunnel vision ensues, Ed.
    You resent the gun toter because they make you uncomfortable. So you try to FORCE them out by pressuring the owner of Starbucks to ban the gun carriers so that YOU are no longer fearful.
    Although that sounds pretty conceited and self-centered to me, but you use the excuse that you’re doing it for the safety of ALL the patrons, I assume, using the flawed theory (IMHO) that if there are no (legal) guns in the place that nothing bad can happen.
    Then there’s the oft used argument that people who carry are ready to snap and start shooting at any moment.
    In fact you have no idea what the other patrons want. And I venture to say you don’t care. This is all about YOU.
    Many states have laws, passed by the majority, that allow people to carry. Like it or not, Ed, that means you’re in the minority. And the minority doesn’t, and shouldn’t, rule in this country.
    Having said all that, am I for open carry? Personally no – for the reasons that have already been presented above and which I won’t repeat. But, also, (and hear me on this ED) because I know it makes people uncomfortable. I’m considerate, ED. I don’t go out of my way to do that to anyone. Just like my cigars. I don’t smoke them around people who don’t like them. But I don’t want you banning me from smoking them Ed. That’s MY choice.
    I don’t like people who think they’re more qualified – more intelligent – to make decisions for me and the rest of the majority. That just smacks of elitism, self importance and arrogance. Don’t you agree?
    So DON’T tell me I can’t do something that makes YOU, and the minority of people like you, fearful.
    Like I said at the beginning, I doubt you’ll be swayed by any of this.

    • Steve

      Too reasonable, rational, & sensible Tom. Eddie will probably not even attempt to answer you. He doesn’t think in those terms. He’s more of an unreasonable, irrational, nonsensical kind of guy ;-)

      • Tom

        I know. But the humanitarian in me just HAS to try.
        I, also have this bruise on my forehead from banging it on the wall. ;0)

        • JeffH

          Tom, you put far too much time and reasoning into your post, but I applaud your effort.

          • Tom

            Thanks. That’s the first time I’ve been accused of putting too much thought into anything.
            That’s not a bad thing is it?

  • Sharon

    I will start buying coffee at Starbucks. Good for them!

  • JC

    Support American industry (what’s left of it), buy a gun and some coffee today. Go Starbuck’s! ;)

  • Ron O.

    I agree with JC. If Thom Prince only knew how many 7-11 stores have been robbed at gun point and how many of their employees have been killed over the years in armed robberies, he might be able to get that brown stuff out of his eyes. These stores have been the easy target for those unscrupulous individuals looking for an easy way to get some money for their drug habit and only in those rare cases where the employee actually had a gun did they survive the attack. Those same same armed gunmen will not go to Starbucks because they now know there is a good chance their attempt to get their drug money will meet with resistance. Wake up Prince. It’s much better to have one armed citizen in your coffee shop than a bunch of dead bodies. Go find out what it takes to get a concealed carry permit and maybe you will feel more comfortable about the subject. I have one myself and I am as well trained as most police officers.

  • Tom S.

    Hear-hear JC! I was using a different brand of coffee before I heard this story. I am, now, a confirmed Starbucks customer for life.

  • DaveH

    It’s enough to make me a coffee drinker!
    Please, if you are a coffee drinker and you love Freedom, Buycott Starbucks.
    Way to go Starbucks. Don’t let these fanatical Liberal Forcers dictate your rules.

  • Lee

    Can’t stand the coffee but love the gun policy.

  • Tom S.

    Ron, you’re asking too much of sheeple like Mr. Prince. They’re, generally, too lazy to actually think for themselves. It’s much easier to just regurgitate, ad nauseam, what they hear and read from the MSM and their liberal politicians (because we all know those sources are SO reliable).

  • http://?? Joe H.

    Ron,
    My niece was offered a job at a 7-11 and I talked her out of it for that very reason!!

  • Tom S.

    I don’t work for Starbucks, and I can’t speak for them, but I’m sure they appreciate your support Lee.

  • OneDamnAngryAmerican

    In the past, both Denny’s and McDonalds have had gunmen come into their resteraunts and “kill” patrons. If other patrons were in possession of legally carried firearms, they might have had the opportunity to save the lives taken by those “criminals.” Let Starbucks keep their anti-gun policy. Even if you do not favor gun ownership or gun-rights, you should add Starbucks onto your list of places not to do business with. If they are unwilling to protect your mother, wife, daughter, or yourself, then why patronize them? NOT ME! You can still go there, though. Don’t worry. Starbucks will protect you. Just like how our government has protected us from illegal aliens who commit 99.9999999% of all crimes now, in the USA!

  • Norman

    I feel more “at ease” when I know there are customers inside who are carrying. We need more places like Starbucks. Go Starbucks. A life endowment NRA member. JOIN TODAY.

  • s c

    Add Starbuck’s to America’s long list of LOSERS. As far as I’m concerned, since Starbuck’s won’t get my business, it would be fine if I knew that some people will take their trained attack dog(s) with them to get a fresh, hot cup of mediocre coffee.
    It might not be a bad idea if the decision-makers at Starbuck’s recruit hundreds of lawyers, so they’ll be ready to go to court and defend the firm’s corporate ‘reputation.’. If Starbuck’s goes out of business, oh well. If Starbuck’s stock value sinks, that’s tough. Not everyone can run a business, and Starbuck’s sounds as though their time in the barrel has come. Enjoy, Starbuck’s. You can always complain to Obubbabummer. Maybe he’ll make Starbuck’s a government-owned “business.”

  • JeffH

    Starbucks never asked to be involved in the Brady Bunch campaign’s anti-gun fight. They’ve taken a “middle of the road ,law of the land” stance and are being demonized by the anti’s and the very weak leftist Brady Campaign.
    I applaud Starbuck’s and have emailed my show of support to them also.

  • Tom

    Damn Trolls!

  • The Real American

    Im sure as you all know, there an certain bill called AB1934 in the state legislature that is aiming to ban open carry in California. Californians, if you truly want to have a voice in keeping our 2nd amendment rights, including the right to open carry, call 1-916-319-2081 (state assembly) to urge your assemblymen/woman to kill this bill. Say why your calling, name and address, and your done! 30 seconds, same time it takes to make a post.

  • Duh??

    Hey S C,
    Did you even read the article above?

  • JeffH

    s c, if you don’t like Starbucks that’s OK. I hope your reasons are not based on their neutral stance that has caused the Brady Campaigns assault on Starbucks choice to allow local and state laws determine whether a gun may or may not be carried in their establichments across the country. Starbucks, in no way, has taken a negative approach to open carry or any position on gun control.

  • DaveH

    Don’t blame you for being angry.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1u0Byq5Qis&feature=related

    Go Suzanna!

  • JeffH

    Starbucks does not have an anti-gun policy.

    “Starbucks’ official gun policy remains unchanged. The company website says that “we comply with local laws and statutes in all the communities we serve [and] abide by the laws that permit open carry in 43 U.S. states.”

  • honeybadger

    How does old Ed feel when he sees a uniformed Law Enforcement Officer in Starbucks? I was in and out of Starbucks for years in uniform and NEVER had a comment made, one way or the other. I have since retired from Law Enforcement after 27+ years. Upon retirement I complied with my states legal requirements for carrying a concealed weapon. After this I also complied with the Federal requirements signed into law by President Bush in 1996 that allows me to carry concealed across the United State. I have been sworn to numerous oaths over the years and have YET to have even one rescinded, therefore I still consider myself ‘sworn’ even today. I WILL be armed, as I have been since retirement, and If it becomes known that I am carrying concealed, all involved will be glad for my being armed.

  • http://www.xanga.com/STEVENPILL Steven Mark Pilling

    Is Starbucks prepared to hire armed guards for its outlets to protect its disarmed patrons? Unless it is- and unless they’re prepared to face another such tragedy as Luby’s in Killeen TX- they’d best think twice.

  • JeffH

    Do you know something that they don’t know? I would guess by your comment that there should be a new law made that mandates every public venue to provide armed guards to protect patron citizens from patron citizens!

  • JC

    I think the comment leans on the idea that we should carry or they should have security…I think…

  • eddie47d

    C.J.; Starbucks doesn’t hire anyone to guard their coffee shops and your spotter comment was whacko.You paranoid comments (and I’ve heard plenty) are one reason I don’t support either side of the gun debate. Neither side is reasonable and are just fearmongering. Until the last 10-15 years nobody got worked up over guns and few even wanted them in their home. You certainly didn’t have to worry about ANYBODY carrying a weapon into a Starbucks. Now your “forced” to make it your Patriotic duty to do so or your Un-American pondscum. Who’s next Home Depot or J.C. Pennys?

  • JeffH

    Now your “forced” to make it your Patriotic duty to do so or your Un-American pondscum. Who’s next Home Depot or J.C. Pennys?

    I can only laugh!

  • http://?? Joe H.

    edduh47,
    where did you get the idea that 15 years ago very few wanted guns in their home??? get your head out of your dark orifice!!!!

  • DaveH

    That coming from a guy who typically advocates for Obama. Why Force with Social Pressure when you can hire Obama to Force with the power of Big Government?

  • TIME

    Dave,
    I agree with you 100%. I understand that DD has very good coffee too. When I used to drink coffee I got it from a little deli that had Kona Blue and Columbian Supreeme dark.

    Saddly with the down turn in the economy they went out of business about three months ago. And as I watch more and more small business falling it blows my mind to read on MSN today that we are well in to a strong recovery. Yea right we are.

  • JUST SAY NO to bigger government

    So the Brady anti-gun campaign and Howard Schultz have a whole 34,000 signatures so far? WOW! I’m impressed! That’s pretty pathetic lol. Is that the total signatures of what the Brady people have in their fold?
    Bob, you could start a Pro-Starbucks petition and get more signatures in 2 days with everyone forwarding emails to 2nd amendment friends.
    ………………………………………………………………………………………………
    Steven Pilling, Did you mis-read the article above?

    p.s. If one law abiding citizen in Lubys had been armed, that criminal wouldn’t have gotten off more than one shot.

  • JUST SAY NO to bigger government

    Joe,
    eddies just a dunderhead. Besides believing everything obama tells him, he also has the hots for sarah brady, so he’s going with anything she says, truth and facts be dammed.

  • rwnut

    Joe H.Iwas thinking the same thing.
    eddie47d…See quote 5/7 at 11:31 a.m. That was about 70 years ago.
    I’m 64 and I was raised on eggs,taters,and maters,with a little gunpowder seasoning,and I teethed on a mouthful of buckshot till my first tooth came in at about eight years old. I was then weaned with the help of my first toy, a 38 bullgog. Momma was real happy.
    KEEP’EM LOADED BOYS!

  • JeffH

    I’ve called all of them.

  • rwnut

    Real American…Also bill 1810-expands Californias registration requirements to cover all long guns.
    Also bill 2223-would ban the use of lead shot in wildlife management areas.
    Oppose all three!Tell them to kill these bills!

  • JeffH

    TIME, I worked in the coffee industry for 25 years. The warehousing and transportation end as a manager. Kona Gold, Jamaican Blue Mtn. and Colombian Supremo are generally light roast coffees. Colombian Supremo is my favorite. I had to start buying my coffee again recently, but I still buy my old bosses labels. I’ve dealt with just about every major roaster at one time or another. Was a great business, but Californias over regulations cost me my job with Nestle Beverage/Hills Bros/MJB in the bay area. They packed it in and moved out of state.

  • JC

    I’m with you.

  • s c

    What a fitting name you have. Only a progressive could accuse me of being a member of Congress. I was able to read before I was enolled in kindergarten, duh.
    Did mums and dads take a long time to decide what to call you? Ladies and gentlemen, duh is obviously on Obbbabummer’s short list of education czar candidates!
    He can’t read, he has no plans to learn how to read or express himself (beyond an occasional grunt), and he’s got his head rammed up the same dark, aromatic place as Arlen Specter.
    If I was in a tacky mood, I’d tell you that your word for the day is ‘useful idiot.’ But, I’m not in a tacky mood, so I won’t.

  • DaveH

    I’ve been trying for years to get my kids to move away from the Left-Coast, but to no avail. They are going to cling stubbornly until it totally collapses.

  • JeffH

    DaveH, the liberals are destroying the whole country and California liberals are leading the way.

  • DaveH

    Yep, Misery loves company.

  • http://gmail i41

    edy 47, Most people get caught intentionally burning buildings and property down, unless you are a union/mob thug, and it does help to have Chicago connection to the white house. Even Omooslam’s good close bud, built bombs, killed people, damaged public property, and is revered smuck by every democrats and all of you socialists. The second amendment says I can gun at at will and in my possesion. Your post makes me think you must be another of Lib’s inbred brothers. Your idea of if some socialist paper chaser says something, all you and pee brained ilk fall in line. Get in the real world. As for setting up for trouble, Omoron’s voters sure set the USA for trouble, and it is here!

  • eddie47d

    Jeff H. or Mr Spin Dr.: Then don’t carry your magnum into Starbucks and get the Brady Campaign all riled up. Don’t create problems that never existed. What are you really pushing for? Even the Wild West had gun laws to stop “good people” from shooting each other up. Take Dodge City as an example; Had to check guns at the door or at the sheriffs office. Nobody took away their rights to own a gun just a law to keep things civilized,such as in bars.

  • JeffH

    Oh eddie.. go tell your stories to someone that’s stupid and might buy into your fanatsies.

  • Duh??

    eddie47dunce
    Your ignorance is showing. Starbucks didn’t even start this crap. It was the Brady Bunch that started the entire issue. But then as always, you and your liberal progressive ilk aren’t interested in the facts.

  • DaveH

    Jeff would do that, Eddie, if he could easily conceal carry in California. Then it wouldn’t offend anybody’s sensibilities.
    But he can’t unless he wants to jump through multiple hoops which, depending on his local authorities, may be futile anyway.
    I would feel a lot safer myself if I knew more people were carrying concealed as only the most rabid criminals would attack knowing that many of the citizens were possibly armed.
    Just ask Nidal’s victims which they would prefer. Oh, wait, you can’t ask them, because they are dead!

  • Claire

    eddie–Jeff H and JoeH are not going to go to Starbucks or anywhere else with the idea/plan of shooting anyone or shooting up public places! Give it a rest.
    I believe in conceal and carry. And I sure don’t plan on shooting up public places or people.
    With the robberies here and the purse snatchings, I carry mace. In Illinois we can carry a gun in our glove compartment of our cars, but it cannot be loaded. Therefore, I keep my mace. By the time I reach for the gun, load it, it takes too much time. And time can be of the essence. The Illinois law is almost futile.

  • JeffH

    Claire and DaveH, why is it that your perceptions are so much more accurate than eddied47? I guess if one is only looking for a negative one can only see the darkness in the sun…blind…

  • http://gmail i41

    Eddee, another dem night mare, this is still a free egresss and ingress country, the nut job anti-gun groups is the morons that have a problem, sounds just like illegals, claiming they have USA rights, wrong, they are crimminals, plain and simple. More of the feel good liberal BS, pumped up the citizens ears. If gun laws you marxist moroons dream up, why aren’t they in forced in NY and LA or Chicago, if they aree so good. When the gang bangers and hoods get caught, put them in chain, cleaning road ditches along the interstates for at least 16 hrs a day, any ACLU or phyco babbling profeesor shows up throw them in the chain gang to. Simple minded cradle to grave, feel good s–t over the years has given us a bunch of girly boys and more welfare rats. Second screw up, now put them breaking rocks manually out west of the Missiouri River, to keep costs down, put the scrouts in tents and eat fresh road kill, roads stay clean and states save big time. Everyone packs heat and usually has a mean assed dog besides, out there. A good long hike for 20 miles with just cows rattle sanes and if loney they might find a skunk for a buddy. Give the problem a KISS, keep it simple stupid! Too deep thinking for socialist democrats. I think all dems and schools should have to watch Time Life History on the Nazis, but the muslim and his simpleton thugs would bury it bedore it could be shown.

  • Duh??

    SC,
    I don’t get it sc. You’ve always been a conservative poster on here, and now you’re anti-Starbucks, when all they have done is support our 2nd amendment rights, and are abiding by local laws. What gives? Can you explain this? Why are you anti-Starbucks?
    I ask again, did you read the article?

    I’m beginning to think that the American Liberal has hijacked your name and is trying to make you look like you’re anti second amendment.

  • Jim

    Not the real sc. Just some liberal troll. The real sc would have answered the question, and not gone into a sarcastic infantile tirade. The original sc probably knocked this trolls dick in the dirt on another thread, and the troll couldn’t debate him, so now is here attempting to discredit him by trying to make him appear as a liberal.

  • http://?? Joe H.

    rwnut,
    AMEN to both of the last two posts!!!

  • http://?? Joe H.

    JeffH,
    Just tell edduh47 to tell his Brady bunch to stay out of Starbucks if they don’t like the atmosphere!!!

  • JeffH

    Joe H. he probably to cheap and has never been in one anyway.

  • rwnut

    eddie47d…do you think the law was created for the “good people”? It was created for the “bad people”. eddie,think,…Wyatt Earp v.Billy the Kid. That’s the problem eddie47d,you and Brady always trying to lump the law abiding in with the criminal.I’m still packen and sippin my Starbucks.

  • http://?? Joe H.

    rwnut,
    I’m not legal yet, but I hope to be soon!!! I will carry as soon as I can get my CCW!!!

  • rich

    I can’t stand coffee…but after reading about this I sent a letter of thanks to their corporate email address, and I bought gift cards for my friends and relatives. And – I received a nice reply fom them to boot!

  • http://www.xanga.com/STEVENPILL Steven Mark Pilling

    Dear JC: That’s exactly what I’m saying. Any public business that disallows customers the means of personal protection morally inherits- in my opinion- the obligation to defend those patrons from attack. That “no firearms” sign in the window is a red flag for any criminal or terrorist looking to make his mark.

  • JeffH

    …with the new 9?

  • JC

    Joe, I like the Kimber short barrel 1911 .45. Light, thin and throws a small bus.

  • JeffH

    …like the Pro CarryII? I personally considered purchasing the Raptor, but it was cost prohibitive for me. I settled on a very nice “used” Sig P226 9mm for a very good price.

  • http://?? Joe H.

    JC,
    I’ve put about 50 rounds through this new one and so far, I like it very much. SCCY Industries CPX made in Datona Beach Fla. came with a Child proof lock that I won’t use as I have a secure place for it, two clips and a hearty hope you like it from the dealer. 350.00 out the door. Im fairly accurate with it, (gotta be me!) so far, and It’s easy to get used to. The owner of the range I go to says he’ll help me on my classes to get my CCW.

  • JC

    The Pro Carryll, exactly. They’re not much good beyond 30ft. But it’s for “self-defense” so it doesn’t need to be.
    The Kimber Target11 on the other hand is good for a bit of distance.
    I can usually put 6 out of 7 into a 6″ pie plate at 70ft. or so.
    I like my Kimber’s ;)

  • JeffH

    There may be a Kimber for me in the future. The Kimber Custom II is more in my price range. I can buy a new one for under $730 on GunBroker.

  • JC

    Thing I found about Kimber’s is keep the ramp clean…real clean.
    JHP’s and B/E ammunition tend to hang up. Ball ammunition on the other hand is very reliable.
    Good Luck, hope you get one.

  • http://?? Joe H.

    JeffH,
    Of course!

  • http://www.xanga.com/STEVENPILL Steven Mark Pilling

    Dear JSN: I misread nothing. In fact, the Killeen tragedy was exactly what I had in mind. As you say, if only one of those people had been armed, that maniac would have been stopped the second he emerged from his truck. As it turned out, men had to offer their bodies as human shields while the women and children fled out of a broken window. One of those women was one who normally carried a pistol in her purse. But, because Luby’s strictly forbade weapons in their restaurant, she had left her’s behind. She’s been a vocal 2nd Amendment advocate ever since. But Luby’s bears a share of the guilt for not protecting their patrons- disarmed at their behest. Criminals do not respect “no firearms” signs! That small piece of logic is apparently beyond the ability of liberals to comprehend.

  • JUST SAY NO to bigger government

    Steven;
    Ok I got you. From reading your first post, I thought you were against Starbucks policy of following the law of open carry.

  • JeffH

    Oh yeah! Now I’m jealous again. lol

  • JeffH

    Black or two tone? Nice looking gun and a perfect CCW pistol. They aren’t legal in California, darn!

  • JC

    Have fun with that. And just for fun, try using your middle finger as your trigget finger. This leaves the index finger free to point at the target. Just like pointing at anything you’ll find you can be really accurate without actually aiming. It’s called IPS or Instinctive Point and Shoot. In a self defense situation you may not get time to actually take aim.

  • rwnut

    Steve,eddie says,facts be damned!America,disarm!Reading between the lines,what he means is,LAW ABIDING CITIZENS DISARM.He is from the same mold as his mentor,Joe(1+1=3)Biden. Why would he care about 2nd Amend. rights when he thinks the GREAT WHITE HOPE will protect him? He said previously he never fired his gun in Viet Nam,he got by on being AWARE! As a famous Senator said,YOU LIE,eddie.My conspiritorial mind tells me YOU WERE NEVER IN VIET NAM!

  • rwnut

    that is,the GREAT BLACK HOPE.

  • Steve

    rwnut;
    You may be right, but there are enough RVN vets on here that he will be sleuthed out in time.
    As for disarming the “law abiding citizens” I agree 100% They already have laws against the frickin criminals having guns that they don’t even enforce. They purposely don’t enforce them, so they can use the criminals/guns excuse for more restrictive gun control laws that STILL don’t affect the criminals, but only serve to disarm us instead. It’s just an ignorant game they’re playing that they think we are all too stupid to figure out, and a lot of ignorant people do fall for it, especially in the bigger cities where crime is more prevalent. They see gun control as the ONLY answer to the gangs and crime even though it has NEVER worked before. Crime stats ALWAYS go up when law abiding citizens are disarmed, and have no defense anymore.

  • honeybadger

    Where could I obtain a list of the 43 states that allow ‘open’ carrying of firearms?

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