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‘Stand-Your-Ground’ Law Focus In Trayvon Martin Case

‘Stand-Your-Ground’ Law Focus In Trayvon Martin Case
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Florida's "stand-your-ground" law has come under scrutiny in the wake of the killing of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

SANFORD, Fla., (UPI) — A prosecutor in the Florida case against the neighborhood watch volunteer accused of killing Trayvon Martin said it may be tough to get a conviction.

State Attorney Angela Corey, the lead prosecutor in the case against George Zimmerman, pointed to Florida’s “stand-your-ground law,” which allows a person to use deadly force if attacked.

“The stand-your-ground law is one portion of justifiable use of deadly force,” Corey said told ABC News. “And what that means is that the state must go forward and be able to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. … So it makes the case in general more difficult than a normal criminal case.”

Zimmerman shot Martin, 17 and black, Feb. 26 after following him and telling police Martin looked suspicious because he was wearing a hoodie.

Zimmerman and Martin fought and Zimmerman fatally shot Martin.

The shooting and the fact Zimmerman has not been arrested or charged have brought widespread protest and outrage.

Zimmerman has claimed self-defense, and Craig Sonner, a lawyer representing him, told ABC News he would likely invoke the stand-your-ground law.

When Zimmerman fired the single shot into Martin’s chest, he thought “one of them was going to die that night,” Sonner said.

The U.S. Justice Department and the FBI are investigating the case as a possible hate crime.

ABC News said there’s enormous pressure from local and State authorities for Zimmerman’s arrest.

Corey said if Zimmerman is charged, it might not be for weeks.

Meanwhile, hundreds of students at Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High, the school Martin attended, dressed in black Monday to protest, The Miami Herald reported.

Last week, students protested at more than 30 Miami-Dade schools and staged walkouts at about 10 schools in Broward County.

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  • http://ccopakeman.wordpress.com copakeman

    eric holder will ride his in to put Mr. Zimmerman away in prison for a very long ting time. our contry cannot let a white/hipanic/black/other get away scott free with shooting and killing an innocent 17 year old black child,an A+ student at school (i am guessing), who attacks you, walking down the street in a high crime area at 3am.

    be worried Mr Zimmerman, e holder will get you if the “new black panthers” dont get you first.

    • John

      Apparently the kid was not as innocent as his parents have made him out to be. The news reported this morning that he was suspended the week before for having traces of marijuana in his backpack, and an eyewitness has claimed the kid was on top of Zimmerman beating the crap out of him.

      • Honestly

        John…It could be the boy was scared because he was being followed and was defending himself.

      • Vicki

        Honestly says:

        John…It could be the boy was scared because he was being followed and was defending himself.

        I don’t think that being followed is a sufficient threat as to justify beating someone in “defense.”

        • Honestly

          Vicki, I’m very curious, How would you respond if you were minding your own business and someone was following you in this day and time with the way things are?

        • Honestly

          Si then you MUST not believe that shooting someone for hitting you is acceptable?

      • Vicki

        Honestly says:

        Vicki, I’m very curious, How would you respond if you were minding your own business and someone was following you in this day and time with the way things are?

        I would lead them to the nearest policeman or police station of course. What would you do? Confront them and try and beat them up?

        • Honestly

          I would run. I am smart enough to know that I am no match for them, but I for sure would not try to take them anywhere. That is dangerous talk.

      • Vicki

        Honestly says:

        I would run.

        Then you would just die tired.
        http://www.kens5.com/video/yahoo-video/Alleged-Mexican-Mafia-shooter-140794073.html
        And that is just one of MANY examples. One of the victims even had a gun but chose to run away.

        I am smart enough to know that I am no match for them, but I for sure would not try to take them anywhere. That is dangerous talk.

        Yes running would be dangerous talk. Here is another example.
        http://www.berkeleyside.com/2012/03/30/sacramento-street-shooting-victim-dies-arrest-made/

        • Honestly

          Obviously you just want to argue and I choose not to, so I will not respond to your posts again. May God bless you…

          • eliwhit

            Some folks like vickie and charles moore do not want to hear or see the facts! Checked out your links hope they all stay in the California area. Who needs that! How much has obama touched on these issues?

          • Charles Moore

            The only one here that doesn’t want to see the facts are you and your defenders. I could care less. You are a racist and a bigot and i have detailed it in several posts. You also lack common sense and are incapable of drawing conclusions since you can’t use common sense and get from point “A” to point “B”,When called on it then the best you can do is whining and name calling.

      • Vicki

        eliwhit says:

        Some folks like vickie and charles moore do not want to hear or see the facts!

        You would have to have some facts (and bring them) before you could begin to determine if we do or do not want to hear or see “the facts”. I did happen to bring some facts with me and posted the links.

        • eliwhit

          so you did so you did! My bad!

      • absolutely amazed

        Just do it the right way – get the facts, go to trial, evaluate the evidence, and then decide whether it was murder or just justifiable homicide. But whatever the “perceived threat” laws were supposed to do, if anybody is killed, there must be a very careful investigation of the facts at hand – not what was and has been done in the Travon Martin/Zimmerman catastrophe. Otherwise there will continue to be a lot of murders/killings/manslaughters or what have you because someone was wearing ” “different” clothes or looking at someone crosseyed. Sounds like the South in the days before 1964. Pretty soon, with the perceived threat laws, what used to be playground scuffles will result in homicides. Our nation has never been cultured, was on the road to becoming civilized, but is now retreating into mere settlement. We’d better start talking rather than screaming and then shooting, or we are all goners, whether we carry AK 47′s, bazookas, simple 9mm sidearms, pocket change, or iced tea and Skittles.

        • http://madgorilla.wordpress.com madgorilla

          This is a perfect example of why we need people in office who have an historical perspective and can see context. The problems we have today, like the Martin case, are the result of 100 years of progressive ideology. As we get pushed farther and farther to the left, political correctness and class warfare become the norm, and common sense, reason, and conservatism become the aberrations.

          Back in the days went everybody went armed, you thought twice or three times before doing something. Caution and common sense ruled the day to day interactions between people. We didn’t coddle those who transgressed against society. Prison was a place that was so horrible, most hard core outlaws fought it out with the law rather than go back. A man’s word was his bond, and honor was more important than anything else.

          To be sure, there were things that were bad in those days (like treatment of minorities), but that was not just an American problem, it was a world problem. I think we’ve made a lot of progress since then, but the farther we slip to the left now, the more I fear we are losing that progress. Instead of striking a note of calm and reason, the President added fuel to the fire. Instead of prosecuting those who offered a bounty for Zimmerman, the Justice Dept. pretended that was never said.

          This incident is just a small bump in the road that has been churned into a chasm that is swallowing every bit of reason in sight. It is a tiny wound that is being allowed to fester that if not cleansed, will lead to gangrene. This could be the pinprick that finally starts a race war that some people in this country have been working at for a very long time. If it starts, it will spread like wildfire. I imagine the Roman empire was very much like this in its final days. Is that what we really want to happen?

        • Charles Moore

          You are absolutely correct. Many people here don’t seem to understand that just because the 17 year old was not exactly innocent that Zimmerman gets a free pass. These people need to look up the definition of “neighborhood”. I have lived in my present Florida neighborhood for over 32 years and I do not know everybody in it or the Florida neighborhood before this one and they are all single family homes. The Zimmerman neighborhood has apartments in it with hundreds of people . There is no way that he could know everybody that lived in it much less people who were just visiting from elsewhere. This is why such patrols are discouraged even if unarmed. The fact that Zimmerman was armed magnifies it.

    • http://johnwis.wordpress.com johnwis

      Sorry…but it’s not that cut and dry.

      I’m not going to take it as Martin being all innocent in the situation……nor am I going to take that Zimmerman is all guilty….nor vise-versa.

      The MSM has already begun court proceedings without the court or thorough investigation. The investigation will reveal the truth about what happened.

      • eliwhit

        john you are so right. And be advised that my below post was not aimed at you or your post but at the idiot copakeman at the beginning of this article postings! This dumb system put it out of order even though it was a reply to copakeman the marvelous one!

    • eliwhit

      Have you lost your mind or are you just plain stupid? First he was not white, but hispanic. Which just tell me you are one of the either threateners with no backbone or you are an imbecile that never made it past 3rd grade! Innocense has yet to be proven with the light of the witness that gave report to the police that they left out pending further investigation or the writer in an original attempt to stir up morons like you!! Next, Oh yeah sure he was an A+ student alright! He was on school suspension for having drug paggie in his locker and had been in trouble for having burglary tools at school in the past! You bet that is your basic A+ student alright And you are an Albert Einstein! e holder the murderer will likely keep his nose out of this one as he is in enough hot water looking at possibility of prosecution himself! And the gang of thugs you mentioned that are showing themselves to be stupid as you are had best back off for their blood may run red in the Florida Streets if they bring it. They have no authority of law and they will be arrested for multiple violations of the Law. So stop trying to stir up garbage when you obviously did not read past the first article! Have someone take notes for you if you are unable to keep up clown!

      • Charles Moore

        I live in Florida about 160 miles from Sanford.I also have a permit to carry a concealed weapon. We are not allowed to display it for intimidation etc. We are on;y allowed to draw it if you are another are in imminent and fatal danger. Being so close to Sanford we get all the News . First of all, most neighborhood watches do not have patrols. They send out brochures encouraging people to report suspicious behavior and what to watch for as well as giving Emergency numbers. They also post signs stating that it is an active neighborhood watch area. The people in these patrols do not have any more power than any other citizen. The Police also discourage this people on patrol from carrying a weapon if they have a permit.Zimmerman has been cited for aggressive behavior in the past. He should have not been allowed a gun permit. He was also told by the Police dispatcher to cease following him and he disregarded it. Zimmerman claims he was following him which means that he was in back of him. Zimmerman also claims that the victim had his hands in his waist band etc. Please explain to me how Zimmerman could see in front of the victim while behind him.

        It might be that the victim was not innocent etc.The New Black Panthers have offered a $10,000 reward for the capture of Zimmerman. How many clowns are going to be out there trying to collect it?. How many innocent people will be caught in the middle?.The race baiters Jackson and Sharpton do not belong here. The Brady Bunch should stay in D.C where Guns were banned and yet it had the highest crime rate. The Media based outside Florida is also down trying to stir up things. All because Zimmerman who should have had his permit taken away from him and disregarded advice not to follow him.It is not an example of “stand your ground” when you follow the person and create the situation.

        If I am in a store and somebody pulls a gun then I have to do something at that moment. If he turns and flees then I am not allowed to shoot him since there is no imminent danger. If Zimmerman was responsible then he would know all of the above. He disregarded it it just as he disregarded the advice not to follow and the advice of Police not to carry a weapon on patrol. I wish that people who have little knowledge of the facts but feel some sense of self importance and the need to comment.

      • metalflyer11

        “eliwhit” I would like you to explain me since when is “hispanic” considered a race?
        I need an answer better than a 3rd grader.

        • Paul

          so now we get caught up in symantics, what do you want hear, hispanic, latino, or must we get really precise like, puerto rican, quatemalan, nicoruagaun, costa rican, honduran, cuban, and then what about african american, rediculous, since they have no clue about which country in africa they are from. Why don’t we call ourselves Irish american, or british american, or german american, or french amercian,,, How about american regardless of color. Again, making this a color issue. Someone getting killed is the issue regardless of race. If it was a black killing a black, there would be no news here. Let’s get the facts and stop the race baiting and bounty hunting. Blacks don’t want a race fight with hispanics in florida, unless they are plain stupid. People behind the scenes provoking this entire thing, wake up people, slow down, stop the hate.

    • Seanoamericano

      Quite simple Zimmerman was doing his job checking out a suspicious person lurking around at 11:30 Pm behind a house in a gated community with a high crime rate. So whats the crime reports now I bet they dropped way off. If he was so innocent then publish a current photo or would that ruin the 14 year old spin. Along with charging that b movie hack wannabe director along with the NBC for editing the tapes That would be justice.

      • Charles Moore

        Where are you getting your information. I love about 150 miles from the area and get all the local News. The kid wasn’t lurking anywhere. There is video of Martin in the store buying things and causing no problems. Zimmerman was driving in his SUV and saw Martin walking and stopped his car and got out and followed Martin Zimmerman had no right to do do. Zimmerman was outside his community and has no police powers anyplace. I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon in Florida. You are not allowed to display your weapon or even show it n a threatening manner unless your life or the life of somebody else is in imminent danger. If it would have been me and I thought something was suspicious then I would have phoned the Police and left the area or observed at a distance until there was a problem. Zimmerman is a wannabe clown who showed bad judgement. The fact that Zimmerman and his wife lied about their finances at the first bail hearing proves he is not credible. You had gullible and naive people that had contributed money for his defense in the amount of $155,000.00. They split the money among themselves and relatives and paid of other bills and then claimed they were broke at the first bail hearing. Zimmerman turned in a Passport he claimed had been lost and kept the one that replaced it.His own Lawyers admitted he was untruthful but wouldn’t do ti again. The facts that his defense fund is still getting thousands of dollars a day proves the ignorance of people. If I had given money and found out that this clowns were using the money for their own personal gains then I would be upset.

  • l. m. reiher

    the photo is absurd! the individual clearly has NO training in gun handling. the fact that the safety is OFF is acceptable. what is NOT ACCEPTABLE is that the holder is about to shoot himself in the ass. he has his finger ON the trigger BEFORE he has drawn the weapon and acquired his target. that is a potentially DEADLY mistake. another case of a picture simply being used to incite opinion against carrying a gun and having NO relevance to the associated story. UPI should be chastised for its bias.

    • ajax

      The hammer is down and it won’t fire until it is pulled back.

      • pro-shooter

        Wow Alex, I ask that you do not stand in front of my .45 auto because it is double action on the first round. (about a 6 pound trigger pull) Plus with the safety off, the hammer block is disengaged, thereby allowing it to go bang if dropped on the hammer.

      • Thor

        The firearm pictured–if it is not the Berretta Model 92, is one of the knock-offs–has been de-cocked but is a double-action pistol and the man’s finger seems to be inside the trigger guard…giving rise to the astute observation that he just may remap his posterior via firearm discharge if he isn’t careful.

      • eliwhit

        Wrong ajax! 2 means could fire this gun in the process of pulling it out 1) pulling the trigger if it is a double action semi-automatic! 2)If he were to accidentally half snag the hammer and drop it while pulling it out of the belt line it is possible it will fire with less than a full drop of the hammer! Many guns with a chambered round if dropped and it hits on the hammer hard enough will fire unless it is a newer model with the hammer slid safety in addition to the locking safety in this case the locking safety is off so hammer drop is possible!

      • eliwhit

        Thor: I love your description of remapping his posterrior! Now would that be a sight or what!?

    • Fred

      You beat me to it! I saw this and the first thing I saw was the red dot indicating the safety was off and his finger on the trigger. Just what we need to inflame the anti-gun nuts.

  • http://johnwis.wordpress.com johnwis

    This isn’t a “race” crime…or a “hate” crime.

    Most Americans are not buying either argument.

    For those that are trying to promote this as a crime of “race” or “hate”…….where was the outrage of the white kid who was attacked by two black kids in K.C.?

    • Andrew C

      Yea, Its very strange how the media just seems to “miss” those stories and make such a big deal about “racist event”.

    • eliwhit

      This is obamites trying to get him on the forefront of the poor black boy that was killed! to hell with and disregard all facts lets just run with and bolster up the Deck of Race cards! Chunk them out there and watch the blood and carnage that may come from it! More leftist stirring the pot!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003034360632 Schillie Young

      i very much agree with you. latey it seems that people have been trying to up the raceist card and this site was first one that said anyting not to make out like the shooter wasn’t a bigoted white male geting off scott-free.

    • eliwhit

      Haven’t you heard Just ask the mongrel loving charles moore, Whites only are Racist, Whites only can commit hate Crimes, Whites only cannot act in self defense, White Hispanics cannot take self defense actions, and they are required to just stand or lay their and die from being assaulted! This part of the equation has never gotten into the Race baiter charles moores head as he is steady trying to convict the man for chasing him down and shooting him and that is not what happened! charles moore cannot read nor comprehend english! All he knows is that his bias does not count only folks like me who have had enough are bigots, well so be it charles are you a baiting wiggar or the ole term -iggar or are you just as was shown from innocent little Trayvons own communications processes which have been made public a nigga? Just askin which are you charles?

  • Robert Nielson

    Why don’t we all cast judgement before the case is tried. All the evidence has not been released. Everyone in the media is so quick to conclude the case. It is horrible what happened. Don’t make things worse rushing to judgement. Al Sharpton, would you rush to judgement if a white kid was killed, and a blackman had the gun?

    • Robert Smith

      Question asked: “Al Sharpton, would you rush to judgement if a white kid was killed, and a blackman had the gun?”

      I don’t know about Al Sharpton but the Philly police sure has tied up another black man and Marine in Philadelphia.

      For the full story google Johnathan Lowe. That is the Marine’s name. He’s black. Maybe that’s why he isn’t allowed to protect himself.

      Rob

    • eddie47d

      Some like to blame the Liberal media or Al Sharpton or whoever. Michelle Malkin a far right wing writer came out with the claim that Trayvon’s picture on a Facebook page had him holding up his middle finger. Trouble is it wasn’t a picture of Trayvon. So who is flaming the fire and stirring the pot?

    • eliwhit

      Heck if it were a white kid he would not get out from in front of his television to answer the phone. furthermore if Zimmerman had died (hispanic) they would be trying to bet the black boy off with whitey should not have had a gun that blackie could get too!
      So tough luck for whitey and get em black boys way to go! This is one for the good guys would be the sharpton line possibly!

  • Sawman

    The way I see it (from what I have heard on the news) is that this young, innocent child, Trayvon was walking down the street one evening (I saw the picture of him and he really looks young for his age) and here comes this Zimmerman beast (I saw his picture too and he looks like a killer). The released 911 call tells us Zimmerman is on the hunt (I know this because I watch Crime and Punishment on TV and I also heard Shep Smith on Fox News going nuts when the story broke) and he proceeds to gun down Trayvon for no reason whatsoever. Case over. (Except there was another 911 caller who says somebody was hollerin “Help” and it might have been Zimmerman – but that’s beside the point.) Case over. Somebody get a rope.

  • ajax

    I believe we can depend on Angela Corey to bring everything to light. She is a tough lady and only interested in making the streets safe. She has taken some flak about a young child who committed murder but lets consider the alternative of having him free in society to kill your child next. Her predecessor was soft on crime and people with multiple violent crimes were back on the street with (go and sin no more) admonition. We send people to prison to keep the streets safe for the rest of us. When we can go go about our lives safely without being exploited by criminals then we have the proper number of people in jail. Trust Angela Cory to do it right. Sharpton’s dog and pony show will fail as has everything he has tried to instigate before. We still will have the black ku klux klan to contend with. Oh by the was ; this morning’s paper quoted an eye witness who stated Martin was on top of Zimmerman and pounding his head on the pavement when the shooting occurred..The voice for help was Zimmerman not Martin.

    • eddie47d

      Oh yes but if someone came after you in civilian clothes with a gun and confronted you in any situation what would you have done? The question should be “did Trayvon have a right to defend himself against his assumed attacker?)

      • Pete0097

        I would ask a question like “Who are you and why are you chasing me?” With my response being ” I am visiting my parents” Followed up with “Do you want to escort me there?” But no, we don’t know about any of these obvious questions. That is the “tribal knowledge” that I try to teach my children. It may save their lives. An remember, no matter if the person is good or bad, if they have a gun, they are “right” It is no fun being dead, but right.

      • 45caliber

        eddie:

        Where do you get the idea that Zimmerman was waving a gun at Martin? I seriously doubt that Martin or anyone else would try to slip back to attack Zimmerman as Martin did. Instead, they would be running. I’m certainly not going to attempt to challenge anyone waving a gun, even if I have a gun myself. I’m fairly certain that if Martin had realized Zimmerman had a gun, he’d have run. And I would bet that would have been the end of the entire affair. In fact, I’d seriously doubt if ANYONE with any sense would have stopped to challenge anyone waving a gun in the air.

      • eddie47d

        Why would anyone want a concealed weapons permit if they aren’t willing to use it? Some of you want everyone to be armed so let’s put that into the equation. Would it be better if Trayvon had a permit and shot back at him to kind of even out the score. That would have made great headlines! Once again did Trayvon have a right to defend himself against a suspected civilian attacker?

    • eliwhit

      ajax, who the heck is angela corey, I missed something or slept on that one and I read the witness report early this morning as in about 3 AM eastern, I know you missed something for they were not on pavement but grass as Zimmermans back was grass stained and wet per police report. He had a broken nose and bleeding profusely plus he had a large wound on the back of his head that I would be willing to bet he got hit with the dring can that poor little martin had in hand!~ But there are questions left to be answered! Was Zimmerman verbally harassing and why did Zimmerman disobey 911 dispatch and follow!? Were they still in the same neighborhood!

      • anonymous

        he did not disobey 911 dispatch, he agreed with them and stopped

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  • eddie47d

    The Stand Your Ground Law is bogus and gives to much power to the shooter. Since this law was enacted there have been 93 self defense cases under the stand your ground law where 30 were legitimate shootings in defense of one persons. What about the other 63 where the authorities can’t prove any form of self defense at all? Some are now saying it’s being used as an legal excuse to murder someone. Why,because all the shooter has to say is that he/she was attacked and their word will be taken over the deceased. The law is weak and gives the shooter/defender way to much leeway in covering up a deliberate killing. Since Trayvon had a right to be in that neighborhood and was walking to his fathers house the killing/confrontation was unnecessary. Zimmerman was told by police to back off and he instead confronted Trayvon with a weapon. He made himself look like an attacker which scared Trayvon who apparently went to defend himself. (should he have passively allowed someone to put a gun in his face or fight back). The police made a huge mistake in not arresting Zimmerman and waiting days before they got an official statement,searching for evidence and taking a toxicology test. Now it is all damage control. In another stand your ground case in Ruskin Florida there was a road rage situation where two guys got into an argument. The one guy Mr Polanco got out of his car with an ice pick and went over to the other car and sliced this college kids (Waltison) head open. Polanco was in no danger and the Waltison kid had no weapon yet because of the Stand Your Ground Law the police said it was self defense and Polanco was never arrested. Bizarre to say the least.

    • http://madgorilla.wordpress.com madgorilla

      Stand Your Ground is not bogus. Despite predictions by the liberals and the anti-gun media, this law hasn’t resulted in wholesale shootings of innocent people, and more than concealed carry laws have precipitated Dodge City shootouts over traffic rage. In fact, these laws, in the states where they are on the books, have resulted in significant drops in violent crimes against persons and property. That is very well documented and irrefutable.

      Law abiding citizens have had to put up with being the victims and retreating in the face of aggression by thugs and gang-bangers for far too long. Now they don’t have to be victims any more, and if some of the thugs get taken out in the process, well, that just saves the taxpayers a lot of money on jail costs.

    • http://www.mototcarsfinancial.com Brad

      Possibly but how many crimes did this law abort for the fear the to be victims might be armed and ready to defend him/her self?

    • Pete0097

      It sounds like a good law and as soon as I get my FL license, i will carry there as well.

    • http://Aol CommonSense4America

      Where is the outcry to OUTLAW ice picks. They are dangerous and leathal.

      • eddie47d

        Good point and maybe Zimmerman and Polanco should be tried in court and not given a free pass on the Stand Your Ground law. Both incidences are suspect.

      • 45caliber

        Or cars? They kill more people a year than anything I can think of.

      • eddie47d

        Are you playing that old song and dance Caliber? Cars aren’t the issue in this case it’s human reaction to threats perceived by Zimmerman and Martin. Even in the other case the perp got out of his car to assult someone.

    • CZ52

      As usual eddie is calling for more restrictive gun laws.

    • eliwhit

      Your facts are suspect as bogus when you stated that Zimmerman came at martin with a gun or in your words confronted martin with a gun ! This is bogus go back and reread and if you are going to quote facts then do so not your own conjectured, pretried in your mind! Not one article has said that he confronted him with the gun, Not one! He confronted him yes and apparently from the reported article a schuffle ensued whereby Martin broke the nose of Zimmerman and somehow cut the back of his head as well! The schuffle continued with Martin on top of Zimmerman and per the eyewitness report martin was attempting to take the gun from Zimmerman while on the ground and somewhere report does not tell yet that Martin was shot! Now there is a lot of room here for conjecture but lets just wait until it all comes forward and stop jumping the proverbial gun!

    • eliwhit

      Stand Your Ground is top of the line!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • LAB

    Don’t you think this whole thing is a tad crazy? What about that professor Obama said was so righteous and just cuz he was black? Oooops…What about that debacle when the Duke students supposedly raped that girl cuz she was black??? oh, ooops again! There are numerous times I can relay that this “race” crap has been thrown out by Obama and it is out of control….Now the “great seer” can tell what his son would be and look like because he’s black??? Or is it true, he thinks all blacks look alike??? Dividing our country is the agenda with Obama and it seems to be working for him…also, he has been losing a LOT of his backing from the people of color in this nation so he needs to restore their “love!” That’s all that this is really about. We ALL need to step back and let the investigation play out and get FACTS, not fall prey to another hoopla of “RACE!” Race should not be the deciding factor no matter what. If Z is guilty, he will be charged and tried, unfortunately, he will NEVER get a Fair Trial now. This crap is destroying us all and it really needs to end. Starting with the POTUS.
    God Bless us ALL ;0)

    • eddie47d

      It seem to me that LAB is turning this into a racial issue instead of confronting the poor handling of this situation by the police and the legality of the law.

      • Thor

        How can you refer to an incomplete investigation as ‘poorly handled’? I suppose you’d be happier with the false arrest of a man who is simply defending himself. The investigation may well find Zimmerman indictable based on the evidence. There has to be evidence of a crime before an arrest. Now that Mr. Obama and Al Sharpton have weighed in on the issue, no doubt an arrest is imminent–evidence of not.

      • eddie47d

        The police did not fully investigate until days after the killing. Something wrong with that picture.

      • eliwhit

        Eddie you are an obvious dimwit, I suggest you go back to all of the articles and reread them all. I think your predisposed memory is failing you in order that you can come up with your own predisposed verdict! Wake up and smell the coffee man!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1141461026 Robert Greeley

    Get rid of that law. It is stupid and a typical example of over-legislating. It has always been a legal option. When Kennedy was killed, a legislator discovered there was no law that specifically made it illegal to kill a President, so he wrote one. The same garbage. See Trayvon’s 6’3″ sullen, defiant school photos and you decide if this is a nice kid with skittles. To drag race into this is an insult to all Blacks. His mom doesn’t want his reputation killed. I believe Trayvon had already done that himself. Why didn’t he run to his dad’s girlfriend’s home? Or stand still and call 911? He was suspended for 5 days because of marijuana, but his marijuana bag might have been empty. Holy Skittles, Batman. How unfair can life be. Zimmerman overstepped his duties and helped create a crisis. That was very wrong. .After Rodney King endangered an entire Black community fleeing from cops and resisting arrest, the community rioted and tried to wreck all of Los Angeles, when they should have helped the cops beat Rodney, a repeat criminal. If Rodney had run over 10 Blacks and killed them, the cops would have been blamed for chasing him. If all the cops had been Black, they’d have been called “Uncle Toms” and they’d still have rioted. Makes no sense. . .

    • http://Aol CommonSense4America

      You need a law against killing presidents? I thought that killing was illegal.

      • 45caliber

        Murder is a state law. The feds don’t like to admit that and want laws so they can punish instead.

        A Marine on the border about twenty years ago now shot and killed a Mexican who was shooting at him and his friends. He was tried in a miltiary court at the behist of the Feds who wanted to make Mexico happy – and was found innocent. So the feds insisted it should have been tried in a civil court since the Mexican was a civilian. So the civilian court found him innocent too. Then he was tried by the Feds on civil rights violations which is/was the ONLY thing the feds could try him on. I believe he was foiund innocent there too. One reason might have been because the Marine was of Mexican decent too. But when it came down to the finals, he was tried THREE times for the same crime because the Feds wanted to find him guilty so Mexico would feel better about it. Not because what he did was wrong.

      • eliwhit

        Now Chris I like that story and that is not just the Marine Sniper motto I try to make it mine as well, I was taught that by my Stepdad. I cannot say it is always the outcome but I try to make it so!

    • eliwhit

      Good report .45 Caliber. I love it when the darn government will do everything in there power to break it off in the ass of an innocent person and all the while they have blood on their own hands. How long ago do you recall that this took place!?

      • Chris

        Scout sniper for 1st Battalion 4th Marine Regiment from Camp Pendleton back in 1997. Was on loan to the DEA working jointly with Border Patrol to track drug smugglers. Only fired one shot after being fired upon several times. Marine Corps sniper motto….one shot, one kill.

  • Nobody

    I only know what I have heard on the tube.But it seems the shooter called 911 and was told to stay where he was. But he did not instead he followed him. I feel that turns it into a stalking. I also believe it had nothing to do with race. Also seems the Zimmerman has called 911 many times. So as a gun owner and believer in the right to bare arms. I think Zimmerman is wrong for following subject after being told not to. Everyone is over reacting. How come there is no outrage when it it Black on black killing or black on white. It is only when when white on black. Have a question what is a white/hispanic.?

    • http://Aol CommonSense4America

      It’s the opposite of black/hispanic.

      • eliwhit

        You know like Cubans are white and hispanic. Mexicans are dark and hispanic, Haitians are black hispanics and so on and so on!

    • anonymous

      zimmerman stopped following when the 911 dispatcher asked him to, he was followed back to his truck by martin and attacked, the second 911 call was from the witness who saw zimmerman on the grass with his head on the sidewalk being pummeled by martin

  • dan

    The stand your ground law has all of the liberals and ambulance chasers in a mouth-foaming tizzy….it’s rather humorous if not predictable that they’d try to undo in the media what they couldn’t with legislation .
    I just would hate it if someone bigger than me were on top of me slamming my head into the ground….I’d start to worry about what would happen when they got hold of my pistol.

    • eliwhit

      Exactly dan and I likely would have blown his ass away if he had me pinned and trying to do me in with my own gun(That is if all this is true)! Somewhere I read that Martin was shot in the head and a wrestling with the gun on the ground sound as though it may wash if Zimmerman was overpowering his (Martins) control of the gun! But no matter If you are in fear of your life you are entitled to kill the assailant regardless of the Stand your ground Law. There are more than one law that will be taken into consideration in Florida. I lived there 40 years and carried 20 plus years!

  • Cheryl

    i don’t know what happened during the time that Mr Zimmerman ran and followed the boy but all I know is what the scriptures tell me that is not right for anyone to take a life and no matter what the outcome is the Lord has the last word whether here or the hereafter. Right now I pray that the truth will come out as criptures says what is done in the dark will come to light.

    Peace, love to all.

    • http://madgorilla.wordpress.com madgorilla

      You need to get a reality check, Cheryl, and join the real world. I wonder how you’d feel if you found yourself being victimized by some guy in a hoodie on a dark sidewalk? Defending yourself with deadly force when you are confronted with the same is NOT murder, and there is nothing in scripture that you can quote that justifies being a victim.

      • Honestly

        madgorilla…I read Zimmerman was told to NOT follow this young man, maybe if he had listened this would have never happened.

      • http://madgorilla.wordpress.com madgorilla

        To Honestly: Zimmerman, and his attorney say that he was returning to his vehicle when Martin confronted him. In other words, he was retreating as instructed. As more facts become available, it is obvious that Martin was not the angelic young man the media has claimed him to be. I could recite a ton of cases similar to this carried out by similar “angelic” young men, but anecdotal information isn’t admissible, so its pointless.

        • Honestly

          Maybe not all of the facts are in as of yet. There seems to be a lot of judging going on here, so maybe everyone needs to be nice and not judge.

  • Benton Bain

    Trayvon Martin was suspend 3 times from school; defacing lockers, caught with a marijuana pipe & baggie and school bag containing 12 women’s jewelry including wedding band, diamond earrings, watch & with screwdriver described as a “burglary tool,” according to a Miami-Dade Schools Police.

    Are Dwyane Wade, LeBron James & Miami Heat teammates, & Ray Lewis of NFL Baltimore Ravens putting up the lynch money for the Black Panthers wanted dead or alive bounty???

    Hollywood negroid Spike Lee put the address & phone number on the internet of George Zimmerman with the only obvious reason to create violence or intimidation. The addresses & phone numbers of Lee, the donors of the lynch money, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton (remember Tawany Brawley), and the Black Panthers should be equally put on the internet!!!

  • Robert Nielson

    Hey Spike, put your address, email, and phone out there. Man up!

  • Fred

    The teen was suspended from school three times.
    Sounds like a good law abiding child to me. (sarcasm)
    He was on school suspension after officials caught him with a ‘marijuana pipe’ and a baggie with drug residue when he was shot at 3 AM.
    3AM? I’m sure his mama was waiting up for those skittles at 3 AM (sarcasm)
    Trayvon was kicked out of school in October for graffiti after he was allegedly caught with a ‘burglary tool’ and a bag full of women’s jewelry (12 women’s rings given to him by “a Friend” along with watches)
    Officials also suspended him once for skipping school and tardiness
    His latest photo from Facebook shows a sweet young man with a mouth full of gold teeth.
    He also tweeted that his punched out a bus driver.

    I remember growing up and I sure was not out at 3 am … with or without skittles.

    More photos of this mus-understood youth at:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120504/Trayvon-Martin-case-He-suspended-times-caught-burglary-tool.html

  • A.J.

    Having conducted these types of investigations I can only say that at this point it is too early to draw any definitive conclusions about whether or not Mr. Zimmerman should be or will be charged. The quality of the Sanford Florida Police investigation will ultimately be determined by the FDLE investigation and that of Federal authorities. Whether or not there is sufficient basis to label this a “hate crime” will ultimately be determined by the facts and not by the media or groups on either side of this tragic situation. We may not like all of the results of these investigations but the facts and applicable law should determine the outcome.

  • Paul

    So now the President can sit back and allow the Black Panthers to put a bounty on this man’s life, and he says nothing? What a reproach and shame for the leader of a nation to come to such a low level. Stand up for what is right and just in this nation. So next time a black man shoots a white man, the Klan can put a bounty on his head also, boy would that hit the news and cause a stir, what incredible hypocrisy, where is the leadership in this nation when we need it.

    • eddie47d

      The bounty was wrong just like that which the Klan perpetuated on society for decades.

      • Paul

        what the klan perpetuated has been condemned by many. Also referring to what others did wrong certainly does not justify a present wrong. And to make this a race issue is continued hypocrisy. Zimmerman looka more hispanic, why play the white/hispanic card? I can tell you why, because this is happening in Florida, hello, wake up. You start some sort of race fight with the hispanics and the blacks will have there butts handed to them. Of course you want to focus on the white side of Zimmerman, those hypocritical black reverends wouldn’t dare stir this up against the hispanics, nor would Obama. He has to suck up for every vote needed in the coming election. A bounty, what is this the wild west, and who do these arrogant black panthers think they are? So next time a white boy or hispanic boy is killed by black, then lets not have the liberal media come out to condemn. What are you going to do if a black kills a hispanic and the MS 13 comes out to put a bounty on someone. Now you have a storm you don’t want. Or some white militia coming out with a bounty. Wake up people. Where is the leadership in the nation with backbone to stand for justice. Our constitution says, “we the People” not we the white, black or hispanic people. If this was black on black crime, it would never have made the news.

  • goatee

    The picture displayed is nothing more than to cause an uproar toward the confiscation of guns. This picture is a person that appears to be under age and should not have a gun in the first place. He / She CERTAINLY is not a person that has a permit to carry. The law requires first that the firearm be in a hoster, NOT STUCK DOWN IN A BELT. It is your option to carry with safety on or off. IT IS NOT AN OPTION TO HAVE FINGER ON TRIGGER BEFORE TARGET IS IN YOUR SIGHTS.

    • CZ52

      “The law requires first that the firearm be in a hoster, NOT STUCK DOWN IN A BELT.”

      Don’t know where you live but where I live there is NO holster requirement.

      ” This picture is a person that appears to be under age and should not have a gun in the first place.”

      Looks like a 21+ hand to me not an underage persons hand.

      • eliwhit

        You motards this is not a picture from the scene this is a picture used to make idiots assume just that and then come up with all sorts of crap. If you are serious you have been had and sensationalized which is just what the media wants is you to be pounding around acting stupid! But I think that you are smarter than that!

      • eliwhit

        Since when can you look at the back of a persons hand and determine how old they are, Give the world a break it is only a picture and it contains many errors of carry protocal. But Carry does not if licensed to do so require a holster at all me bucko. Now straight unlicensed vehicular carry requires one or a case locked but it requires a holster with a trigger strap in Florida. But you are not allowed to carry this on your person without being certified to do so!

      • CZ52

        eliwhit I know it is not a picture from the scene I was replying to
        goatee’s comments. As far as determining the age from the photo, that was the whole point of my responce to his comment about the age.

      • eliwhit

        My apologies CZ52 , missed that part, again my apologies to you sir!

        • Charles Moore

          You are mainly correct. I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon in Florida. A few years ago I was getting out of my car to go into a convenience store. As I was getting out of my car my shirt slid up and there was a pickup next to me that sat up much higher then my car. I was standing in line and the Police came in and approached me and asked if I had a gun. They escorted me outside and another Police car pulled up. I showed the Police my permit and asked of there was a problem, The Police replied “NO” and told me to secure it better and not to expose it. The key word here is “properly secured”. It does not have to be in a holster. If it is kept in a holster there is no certain kind of holster that is necessary. A person could use a fanny pack, The permit stats “concealed weapon and firearm license. It could be any kind of concealed weapon . You don’t need a holster for a knife etc.

  • sybucket

    Come on people, about the photo…it’s a staged picture by someone who dosn’t know better. Give ‘em a break!

    • eliwhit

      No it was staged for sensationalism my friend and you are right it is very unprofessional!

  • http://madgorilla.wordpress.com madgorilla

    This is a race issue, and anyone who thinks otherwise is not paying attention. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have done their level best to make it so, with great success. Just based on what has been in the papers, Zimmerman was retreating to his car per police dispatcher instructions when Martin confronted him. Based on eyewitness reports, Martin initiated the violence, and physical evidence at this point seems to bear that out. A 17 yr old high schooler is not a little kid as the press is portraying him either. He is younger, faster, and in better shape than Zimmerman and could easily get the jump on him. When somebody is on top of you slamming your head into the concrete, you are justified into using deadly force because that is what is being used on you.

    This is exactly the type of situation that caused the Stand Your Ground law to be passed in the first place. The only difference is that in this case, it is one adult sized kid attacking somebody instead of the usual three or four. This sort of thing happens all the time all over the country, though usually the perpetrators don’t get shot. How many videos do we see on the news every week of some thug in a hoodie jumping the counter in a convenience store and beating down or shooting the clerk? As far as the profiling charge goes, there is no doubt these types of crimes are committed by blacks in the majority of cases (mostly on other blacks, but not all by any means). The numbers don’t lie, whether you call it profiling or not.

    The bottom line here, however, is that the media and the black civil rights people (Sharpton, et. al.) are trying to turn this into a racial incident, and they are being aided and abetted by the mainstream media and their anti-gun agenda. If they keep pushing this sort of thing sooner or later they’ll get the race war they seem hell-bent on starting.

  • http://personalliberty.com/2012/03/27/stand-your-ground-law-focus-in-trayvon-martin-case/?eiid= bill

    you know the law inforcement has stand your ground and the use of deadly force and thats the way it should be if any body wants to put in harms way and the ploice use the deadly more then a cetizen does and get buy with it as justyfide the ploice can shoot and kill a car thieve it’s justyfide but if you shoot a car thieve the was stealing your car or things it’s called murder these douable standers need to change

  • http://personallibertydigest gottaplenty

    All you have to do is read the headlines and you know the story.. black youth killed t and gun… then the typical venom from the left and blacks.. the story about the entire incident could have been two full pages of the NY times and those few words is the typical liberal’s extent of thought. It has been pointed out that many many times this same sort of thing has happened and the blacks get as much mileage as possible from it. Even times when they could promote disaster and destruction after it was proven the shooting was justified. As long as the victim was black it cant be justified. what in the hell was this clown doing going thru that neighbor hood at night anyhow. Casing an easy mark or something? The libs and blacks will not accept any investigation results that prove the hoodie might of had it coming .. ..

  • http://Yahoo Moose

    The AP does it again; they imply that Zimmerman is guilty and that Trayvon is an innocent child. Why don’t you wait for the facts to come out before you convict him.

    • eddie47d

      What about gottaplenty declaring Zimmerman innocent and Trayvon guilty when there is no proof of that?

      • anonymous

        the only PROOF that is available is that zimmerman defended himself, there is no other PROOF to date

  • Donald York

    Let’s not rush to judgement, we haven’t heard from Chris Matthews, Ed Schultz, or Rachael Maddow yet. What’s wrong with you people?

  • Dad

    There is another tragedy to all of this… Sharpton’s, Jackson’s, and Obama’s efforts to teach these kids to hate.

    • eliwhit

      Your Statement seems to implicate that you have just today become aware of your weel put posting! Those 3 are obama hinchmen hellbent on starting another major riot as they get their bank accounts loaded up with Taxpayers money! charles moore is also part of the bunch found his name on their list of participants under idiots!

  • Jim

    There is absolutley no evidence as of yet to show this was a race based aledged incident but the feds are already lining up to prosicute Zimmerman on civil rights violations. If this is the case then why even have trials anymorre in State Courts ?

    Any time a 17 year old is shot and is eiher injured or dead it is up to the jurisdiction of the state to either deem that the shooter was within his rights to use such force or it is up to the state to find enough evidence to find it to be a crime that is to be hear in their courts.

    We don’t have to be Fellini to figure out what the feds intend to do, if Zimmerman does not have to face charges from the state, the feds will prosecute him for civil rights violations, it is a given since our liberal federal court system is out to get whitey when he FBI is not out looking to nail Italian’s for being alleged La Cosa Nostra which I am still unsure it really exists. After all the FBI does stand for “Forever Bothering Italians” and now that they are slow in finding snitches to lie agains the La Cosa Nostra, they will pick on a guy who is at least half white and half Hispanic.
    Our judicial system is a mockery to itself and should re-evaluate themselves before going afer anyone else.

  • 45caliber

    Is it a surprise that the liberals are willing to use any death in an attempt to make it harder for someone to own a gun and defend himself? Even if it has nothing to do with the case itself??

    • eliwhit

      I agree with you and yes they will use every opportunity to kill the 2nd Amendment!

      • eliwhit

        In my haste however I failed to add that obama is also likely to be hoping for a twofold issue on this for with riot he can react if Governor request assistance. But I am not sure that even Scott is that stupid or uninformed! So I feel that obama will have to create another situation via his armed militia monkeys! This would work in California quite well and the fires would already be burning!
        Did anyone see the 99% meet the former Soviet Citizen (Now US Citizen) It was premo stuff, obama is paying these via our tax money through soros accounts. They are college drop outs and students soon to drop out due to their lack of luster! Talk about your basic mommie, daddie babes that never got their little behind whipped in their entire lives! WOW!

  • Ghost Riders m/c

    Its sad to see that Obama has used Trayvon’s death as a tool to help him with his re- election & the media has portraied Trayvon as a 13 year old Angel only relaesing pictures of him at 13 years of age. Damn we all looked so sweet & innocent at 13 it kinda puts a slant on things then to top things off the picture of the neighborhood watchman looks like a prison mugshot, wow when I first saw the pic’s on the news I thought man this thug targeted this poor little black kid. But then I find out poor little Trayvon is 6ft 3′ has had burglary tools and spoils watches rings exc. oh ya skittles too. Trayvon don’t look so innocent any more. Also the fact that witnesses verifyed Trayvon confronted Zimmerman then knocked zimmerman to the ground with 1 punch jumped on top and commenced to slaming his head into the ground at 3 am in the morning. Personally I think mr Zimmerman did the only thing he could & should have done. I feel for Trayvon’s family but if you choose a path you must live by its consequences.

    • Honestly

      Ghost Riders….Mr Obama uses whatever he can to help himself. Just watch how he manipulative he is between now and the election. If he is elected we are in serious trouble. Sorry, I know that this is not what this article is about. I just felt I needed to say that. I just wonder why Zimmerman felt he needed to follow instead of letting the police handle the situation. I hope the whole truth comes out.

  • Honestly

    We all seem to be forgetting that Trayvon’s parents have lost their son. I think they deserve compassion. I have never lost a child, but even though he MAY have had some teenage problems he was still their son. Can we not just remember that for a while instead of tearing him up.

    • 45caliber

      Honestly:

      I do feel somewhat sorry for the son. But I’m not sure about feeling sorry for the parents. We have quite a few problems in this area and in most cases the reason the son got into trouble or was killed was because the parents taught him to be that way. Just a few months ago a boy was killed by police during a bank robbery. The dad was upset about it and wanted the police punished for killing his son. After all, he was only teaching the boy the “family business” – bank robbery – when the killing occurred.

      • Honestly

        45 Caliber…You don’t know that. Maybe that is true in the cases you know of, but you do not know that with this case. We are doing a lot of assuming and judging and I for one do not think that is what we should be feeling. The young man is dead and his family will NEVER be able to talk to him, to hold him or to finish raising him. We need to stop and think of how we would feel, even if he was not perfect he was their son. Compassion is what I feel for this family.

    • Ghost Riders m/c

      Sorry to say everyone has already judged Zimmerman and torn him appart and a moron group has put a million dollar bounty on his head.
      As I said I feel for his family but to turn a blind eye to a thief is just condoning his actions, if we do that it only incourages him to steal.

      I know a woman who has tought her kids to shoplift and only punishes them if they get cought.

      • Honestly

        Ghost Riders…No one should be judging him either, but you do not know if the case you mentioned has anything to do with this case. Zimmerman is still alive, Trayvon is not and death is so final.

  • Jim

    A perfect example of gun control in my opinion.

    • Honestly

      Jim..Be careful with gun control. We do need to be able to defend ourselves. You can not make a case for gun control with one situation. there are so many times it saves lives.

      • Vicki

        Jim has it right. A good example of gun control. Though at point blank range it is rather hard to miss.

  • PendragonRise

    And these hundreds of students will be protesting still when they’re marched off to FEMA camps after the UN Small Arms Treaty is ratified by the Senate.

  • Gorba

    With the media, Obama and the Black Panthers having tried and convicted Zimmerman, it won’t matter what the facts in this case are, there is no way Zimmerman can now receive a fair trial.

  • Mountain Saint

    Trayvon was walking in a gated community at three in the morning and I don’t blame the security officer for following him. He was up to no good. (The stores were closed))…Trayvon was already 6’3″ and a big guy and a witness saw him on top of Zimmerman beating the smaller hispanic man who was only doing his duty…Case closed….If the Black race hustlers made a riot out of this case of self defense, then the Hispanics will fight back and make Watts riot look like a picnic. ..

  • Ghost Riders m/c

    Honestly says
    I am not judging the teen his own previous actions judge him. I wish this never happend.
    I would rather be dead than have a bounty of a million dollars Placed on my head.
    If your neighborhood had a rash of breakins & Roberies and you were trying to watch out for your neighbors and saw anyone White Black or Hispanic at 3am in the morning roaming your nieghborhood would you investagate the Police cant be everywhere at once.
    .
    Mr Zimmerman called 911 He was returning to his car when he was Attacked and Beaten. Mr Zimmerman Fired 1 shot, ONE SHOT to his chest, to get him to stop If this were a Hate crime he would have emptied the clip on him & the rounds would have hit Trayvon in the back but 1 round to the chest after being pummled and beaten is self defense.

    • Honestly

      Ghost Rider, you have me confused with someone else. I did not say all of that.

  • JOHN

    I am neither Black nor Hispanic, so, I am not biased, but my concern is the Neighborhood Watch Commander carring a gun!!! Neighborhood Watch specifically denounces carring a gun, and must travel in pairs. The Police told him not to persue. This situatiom would never have occured if he had followed proceedures set forth in his own booklet!!! The “Stand – Your – Ground” Rule should not apply he he continued to persue without permission!!! That is stalking and a right of protection goes to the person stalked!!!

    • http://madgorilla.wordpress.com madgorilla

      Zimmerman, based on what I’ve heard so far, has a concealed carry license. Any prohibition on Neighborhood Watch re: carrying is a policy of theirs, not the law. As for pursuing he wasn’t, nor did the dispatcher have the authority to order him to do anything. He was returning to his vehicle when Martin confronted him, and subsequently assaulted him. You’re right that SYG doesn’t apply, but the reason is that Zimmerman was, according to witnesses, defending himself — and had the wounds to prove it.

      Zimmerman may end up getting thrown in jail over this, but it won’t be because of murder. It’ll be because he was run over by the race-baiting, anti-gun, media fed tank of public opinion driven by Al Sharpton and the rest.

  • chuckb

    it won’t make any difference if zimmerman shot in self defense. the federal government, holder and the justice dept, will lynch mr. zimmerman, he will be convicted under the hate crime bill. this is the liberal whip the good ole bolsheviks laid on us. no matter what you do anymore you can be tried twice. i’m sure there will be a charge of a racial slur injected into the mix.

  • Mountain Saint

    Let’s face reality here. A punk kid,Trayvon, from a broken home, attacked a security guard at three in the morning and was trying to kill him when the guard rightfully shot him in self defense…If Obama, Holder and the media make this a Federal case, they could cause a riot that will quickly get out of hand and cause whole cities to burn (per David Wilkerson’s visions)…Don’t forget Zimmerman is a Hispanic and the children of the illegal aliens won’t tolerate this treatment of one of their own….Believe it or not. Obama wants a crisis to occur. He wants to exploit it so that he could declare Martial Law. This time Obama, Holder and the race hucksters are playing with fire.

    • Charles Moore

      Zimmerman was not a Security Guard. He was/is a neighborhood watch person on patrol. In order to be a Security Officer in the State of Florida then you must be licensed as a Security officer by the State of Florida. Zimmerman was licensed by the State of Florida to carry a concealed weapon. You have to get a separate license for each. A neighborhood can’t license these people. They are volunteers and the Police here in Florida discourage them from active patrols. They prefer a passive sort of action. The Police also don’t want these neighborhood patrols carrying weapons. These neighborhood watch people do not have any police powers. They are ordinary citizens. Zimmerman was told by the Police dispatcher not to follow the victim and he disregarded, This will effectively negate Stand your Ground as he had a choice. Where do you people come from?

      • http://madgorilla.wordpress.com madgorilla

        One could ask the same thing about you. Zimmerman did NOT disregard the instructions not to follow, and in fact, was returning to his vehicle. Martin approached and accosted him. In essence, he started the confrontation that resulted in his own death.

        • Charles Moore

          Amazing. I live 160 ,miles from Sanford so the news is pretty Local and there has been nothing about Zimmerman attempting to return to his vehicle. So you claim that Zimmerman who was much bigger than this 17 year old was trying to return to his vehicle and this 17 year old ran after him and attacked him?Where are the witnesses?You also did not explain the how Zimmerman who was following behind him could see that the 17 year old had his hands suspiciously in his waistband of his pants. I guess he had x-ray powers.

          There is no doubt that they are trying to set up Zimmerman to make it look as if the 17 year old entirely innocent . We have a black Congress woman in a nearby district that couldn’t remember the name of a young while girl by the name of Somer who was killed and in the national news but can remember everything about this 17 year.Then there is Spike Lee who tweeted the wrong address and the new black panthers who issued a Bounty and the race baiters Sharpton and Jackson. , And our POTUS who is not attempting calm.

          I am a former Veteran. I have a permit to carry a concealed weapon in Florida. I also belong to the NRA and the U.S. Concealed Weapons Assoc.How many of you people cab say the same or even from Florida.

          I am saying that Zimmerman was not without fault. He Was/IS not a Security officer . The Police here do discourage such patrols and they also discourage the carrying of firearms in these patrols. A friend of Zimmerman that also participated in these patrols stated that her did not have a permit but if he had one would also be carrying a firearm. Such an attitude demonstrates an irresponsibility. Zimmerman has been accused of aggressive behavior before.

          A gated community means nothing Section Eight Housing could have a gate at the entrance and nothing else and a card that allows the card holder to raise the gate. A true gated community has a guardhouse manned by at least one Security Guard that checks I.D,s and also a patrol that drives around inside the gates enforcing etc. .Frequently even these Security Officers are not armed. A Security Officer at various localities is only armed at the request of the Client/s. Many do not request it because of the Liability and many Security Services do not employ Armed Security Officers because of their expensive Liability Insurance.

          Every Utility now comes under Home Land Security and the Guards employed by them have to be Armed etc. Zimmerman was a private citizen doing patrols that were discouraged by Police and also carrying a weapon as discouraged by Police. Zimmerman is also untrained. The real Police in various communities are now conducting programs for these neighborhood watches and there will be monitoring as should have been done earlier, If it was up to me then people such as Zimmerman would have been issued a permit. Most people on both sides are CLUELESS and should stay out of it.

          • http://madgorilla.wordpress.com madgorilla

            My comment was based on reports I’ve seen and heard from all sides of this mess. Martin was not the sweet little boy he’s being made out to be by the left, nor is Zimmerman the slobbering, knuckle dragging monster he’s being portrayed as. The truth is somewhere in between the extremes being pushed by each side.

          • Charles Moore

            There are problems on both sides. There is at least one Racist and Bigot here. There is a black Congress woman in a nearby Florida community that couldn’t remember the name of a little white child that was murdered by a pedophile last year by the name of Somer but is defending the 17 year old. Obama is taking the side of the 17 year old and is not asking for calm. A black member of Congress wore a hoodie on the floor of Congress. Somebody had to elect these people. Obama was not elected by just black people. He is dividing the Country and people had evidence of these radical views before he was elected in 2008. People that voted for these people share the blame for waht is happening today. A fellow neighborhood watch with Zimmerman claimed tat if he had a permit that he would also carry a gun on patrol. The Police are now taking charge in many Florida communities to supervise these neighborhood watches.

      • eliwhit

        As Madgorilla responded to you, you need to gead more than your local obama censored Rag Newspaper and watch only the TV which all networks have been and are being censored bye obamites and their Media contrals are in tact! They will not let you know the whole story on these sources. Check out more of the Internet news releases that have in fact stated in many Articles that Zimmerman had returned to his Car after losing sight of Trayvon. Trayvon then came from behind him at his car door and popped him in the nose! If you have ever in your life been in a hand to hand fight then you will know what happens to your sense of eyesight at this point. Your eyes tear up and you barely can see! At this point Zimmerman fell to the Ground with dear sweet lovable Burglar,drug useing and dealing wonderful child of the world on top of him flailing his head into the edge of the sidewalk. Then Zimmermans Lawyer states and the police report confirms that Tray baby attempted to get Zimmermans gun. At this point dazed but not dead yet, Zimmerman was able to get control of the gun and fired one shot into the poor sweet lovable gold toothed brother, Killing him in Self defense or preservation of his own life! If you cannot see this as self defense then you are not only uninformed you are also a little on the stupid side of life. I have not read your previous postings of your concealment issue that you experienced to conclude that you are stupid! Therefore I think that your are essentially uninformed and need to catch up to speed before you try to call others wrong! Happy reading From a former Florida resident and Concealed carry certified citizen during a part of my 45 years as a Florida Resident!

  • Mountain Saint

    BTW Why is Holder still in office? Can’t the Republicans do anything right and remove this man.

    • http://madgorilla.wordpress.com madgorilla

      Just what do you think they can do? The Democrats control the Senate and the White House, so even if they brought impeachment charges, he would never be convicted. The only way to get rid of him is to put so much pressure on Obama that he fires him or asks for his resignation. There’s a snowball’s chance in Hell of that happening.

  • eliwhit

    And Now the Rest of the berieved mama who say’s we are trying to discredit her poor little downtrodden Criminal brat! Yea bet your sweet but we have no intention of watching you and your Muslim Black Panther provided attorney turn this into the Race Case that you want it to be. Before now I had feelings for you and your loss but as you keep going on I now get it you are the Racist with your sorry backward X-husband , That is if you were ever married! Records and Pictures are now speaking louder and clearer than you and Sharpton and Farrakhan can ever speak. Rev. C.L. Bryant gave good advice to stand bye and wait until the facts started rolling in before going to judgement! Well lady the facts are starting to show your blood to have been raised by you to be a hoodlum. I am sure that he has been nothing more than a welfare check for you and you cared less where he was or what he was doing while growing up! His tweet accounts and Pictures a painting an awesome picture of you and yours. Racist money mongering slime that you are I am sure that you will not miss this misfit 30 seconds after he is planted!

    • http://madgorilla.wordpress.com madgorilla

      The family lawyer was on Hannity last night. It was painfully obvious that they are trying to set up Zimmerman. Hannity was doing his best to be even handed, but this guy was too stupid to realize it, and kept repeating stuff that has been shown already to be false and inaccurate. If the Feds get into this case, they won’t leave it alone until they figure out some way to railroad Zimmerman. It makes no matter at all whether he is innocent or guilty. Justice will be Zimmerman taking a fall – the justice of a black lynch mob that cares nothing at all for anything but its pound of flesh.

      • eliwhit

        While they may get into it on other grounds later they do not have the right to intervene as this is a State of Florida case based on alleged murder! There are no Federal murder laws. But they could push for some garbaged up and trumped up Civil Rights case or a Hate Crime trumped up scheme! At this point though they do not have the authority to interfere!
        I am about sick and tired of the Muslim faction and the Jesse coon Jackson, and Al Idiot Sharpton and their rabel rousing attempts to get riots started over everything and anything that is non-existent! I left Florid due to their Liberal idiot yankee takeover. These are the people that complain constantly about taxes and everything else up north then they come down like hogs and root out the true Floridians. Very few real Floridians remain and all that is left are a bunch of bone heads that are turning the State into the same thing that they left and complained about! That includes their skin headed Governor! Now we will see what ole chrome dome Scott will do in this situation! Good luck Florida, Glad I left for a more sane State!

        • Charles Moore

          Talk about Racism and Bigotry. You are a pathetic excuse for a human being. It was our gain when you left Florida.

          • eliwhit

            Just calling it like you obamites perform them, Backward,irresponsible, only you and yours are right! Hope if this goes to trial you and your predetermined guilt does not get called to Jury duty! Then your own prediction may get to haunt you. You bet your but it is good that I left Florida and it is backward Northern idiot transplants like you that have screwed up that State! You and your liberalese mentality screw up everything and everyplace you go!

          • Charles Moore

            More bigotry and name calling. I have already listed why you are a racist and a bigot as well as lacking in common sense. Keep posting your absurd posts. We get to see who you really are with each of your posts.

          • eliwhit

            (personal attack removed)

          • Charles Moore

            You are a joke

          • eliwhit

            (personal attack removed)

    • Paul

      you call him racist, wow wake up and get real and honest here. As if Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Maxine WAters and The black panthers are not racist. Get the facts about what Jesse Jackson said about this being typical. What is typical is blacks killing blacks, this is a rare incident, they don’t want the real statistics about blacks killing blacks. That’s why all the sensationalism, they are afraid of the facts here. I agree no need to be cruel, but what will you do if MS 13 puts a bounty on a black man for killing a hispanic, you going to say something then, or the KKK putting a bounty on a black for killing a white, that would have been front page news nation wide and condemned morning to night. No it’s racism in leadership that has allowed it to get this far. Someone stand up for American justice that is colored blind

      • Charles Moore

        Hey Genius. I have said all that . I have called Jackson and Sharpton “race baiters” in several posts. The person that you are defending refers to them as a coon. This is the person that you are defending. He also makes several derogatory remarks and then complains about the yankee idiots etc. They say that Birds of a feather flock together and since you are defending these remarks then I guess that applies to you also. If you don’t think so then I suggest that you do a search on the words bigot and racist or get a 5th grader to do it for you.

      • eliwhit

        Thanks Paul, I was trying to express that they would do with this issue just as thee do with all issues blow them all out of proportion and turn it into a Racial issue which obamites and charles moores is one more libterd speaking from his posterior for his head is up his rectum!

      • Charles Moore

        Talk about being clueless. Look up the definition of “neighborhood”. I have lived in the present one for 32 years. I don’t know everybody in it and they are all single family homes. The Zimmerman neighborhood had apartments with hundreds of people. There is no way that he could know everybody in it. How about people who were just visiting from elsewhere?. This is just common sense and you apparently have none. The fact that Zimmerman was on patrol with a gun is even worse. Apparently you seem to think that a person calling somebody a coon and making other such remarks are better than race hustlers such as Jackson and Sharpton. Both sides in this case are pathetic and you are defending one of the same sides. The leading police investigator wanted to arrest Zimmerman but was over ruled by the D.A.. It has also came to light that two voice analysts from Orlando have stated that the voice on the 911 tape calling for “Help” is not Zimmerman. Who is left Genius?

    • Honestly

      People can we just be nice here…please!

      • eliwhit

        Yes, I will refrain from the ugly from here on charles moore just pissed me off big time! And I am not tolerant to this obama pushing the envelope via his criminal groups Jesse Jackson,Al Sharpton, Luis Farrakhan all part of the obama left regime! Sponsored and paid for!

        • Honestly

          eliwhit..I hope you know I was not just talking to you only. Thank you for your desire to be nice.

          • eliwhit

            That cool honestly, but I will stand bye my word and ignore any further remarks from the other party! Thanks again for the good direction !

          • Charles Moore

            Are you serious?.

          • eliwhit

            Dead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Like you are dead from the neck up! Stay in Florida dude! That is exactly where you belong!

          • Honestly

            Yes I am. I see no reason to belittle people while stating your opinion.

        • Charles Moore

          First of all, there is no way you could have lived in Florida and had a concealed weapon permit for 45 years as you claimed in another post. Florida did not issue concealed weapon permits until 1987.Jackson and Sharpton are indeed race hustlers. Referring to them as coons makes you just as bad. Your other comments are pure bigotry. .I have lived in my present neighborhood for 32 years and I don’t know everybody in it and neither does anybody else and they are all single family homes. There is no way that Zimmerman could have known everybody in his area and there were apartments with hundreds of people. There is no way he could have known even people who were just visiting from elsewhere. Yet he was in this area doing patrols with a gun. This is why it is discouraged by the police. It is also common sense and in addition to your other shortcomings you seem to lack it. , You and people that support your nonsense are pretty sad.

          • eliwhit

            (personal attack removed)

      • Charles Moore

        Hey Genius. Do a search on the definition of neighborhood. There is no way that Zimmerman could have known everybody in the neighborhood. There is no way that he could have known who was visiting people in the neighborhood from elsewhere. Do you think that they all checked in with Zimmerman etc. Zimmerman was out there with a gun under these conditions. This is why the Police discourage such actions. You are the blind idiot. .Zimmerman didn’t even have the limited training of a security officer. He wasn’t a security officer which was another stupid statement. It has also come to light that the lead police investigator on the scene wanted to arrest Zimmerman bit was not allowed to by the D.A. which s not a trained investigator. Get that Genius. It has also came to light that two expert voice analysts from Orlando stated that the voice on the 911 tape calling for help was not Zimmerman. Who else was there Genius?. Don’t blame me because you are cluless.

        • eliwhit

          (personal attack removed)

        • Honestly

          Mr Moore….you have somehow confused me with someone else, because your comment does not relate to anything I have posted.

    • Charles Moore

      More evidence that you are a Bigot. I have written you another post and no sense in repeating it. You are a racist and a bigot. Your 45 years with a weapons permit in Florida is a joke. Florida didn’t start issuing them until 1987. You also lack common sense as detailed in the other post. . It has now come out that the lead police investigator on the scene wanted to arrest Zimmerman but was over -ruled by the D.A.,It has also came out that two expert voice analyzers from Orlando have determined that the voice on a 911 tape calling for Help is not Zimmerman. Who else was there.? I have only listed the facts and used common sense based on the facts. You are the one here doing the whining and the bigotry as well as lacking common sense. Keep up your posts showing your true colors and your ignorant attacks.. With each and everyone of them we get to see you. You are no better then Sharpton, Jackson and Obama. Its not my fault that you have buyers remorse because you voted for Obama. That has to be the case since you have the same beliefs.

      • eliwhit

        (personal attack removed)

  • eliwhit

    I bet your news media that you hale as so grest did not report any crimes comitted bye your illustrious blacks! Why do you suppose the prisons are full of black criminals. Check out the percentages motard approximately 85% Black and all of them like you whining that they be done wrong! You are the Racist if you support in any way the actions that are now being taken and from what I read you feel for the poor black trayvon. Guess what he got for being the criminal minded gold toothed burglary and drug dealing and wanted to escalate to murder! I bet you would not have said one word not even opened your mouth if trayvon had gotten the gun and killed Zimmerman! You would have been praising him for getting the better of the dumb ass whitie! And like all of you idiots thus far he is hispanic and not white! Yea you showed your colors brother and they sure as hell are not RED, WHITE,and BLUE, Now are they?

    • eliwhit!

      Did the raid and sacking of the Walgreens during this showing of solidarity of Black Poweras a result of this Cherade on TRAYvon come out in your Media report Heck no and it won’t.! But it happened and has been reported via Sanford Mayor and others!

    • Charles Moore

      The lead police investigator on the scene wanted to arrest Zimmerman but was not allowed to by the local D.A.. If you knew anything about Florida then you would know that there is a D.A on duty at any given time 24/7. The Police can’t make an arrest before contacting them in most cases. I mentioned earlier that I knew her and Govern or Scott had appointed her. You are just getting the news?It will be difficult for her to get a decision against Zimmerman for Murder since the local D.A. and the racists and bigots as well as those without common sense have muddied the waters. That includes yourself.

      • eliwhit

        (personal attack removed)

  • eliwhit

    (personal attack removed)

    • Charles Moore

      I was mistaken in thinking that this could be an intelligent forum. Instead it is composed of Racists and Bigots such as yourself who when they can’t defend their positions then resort to name calling etc. You belong on the Huffington Post or did they run you off. Anybody that is so ignorant that they can’t see that there is no way that Zimmerman or any other watch patrol person can recognize everybody in that neighborhood or even people visiting from elsewhere yet goes out there with a gun is an Idiot. There is no way that you lived in Florida and had a concealed weapon permit for 25 years because Florida didn’t issue them until 1987. Apparently you can’t add or subtract or perhaps you just lied about it. The lead police investigator wanted to arrest Zimmerman etc.Hopefully the Police and State Legislators will put and end to these absurd watch patrols by these untrained cowboys and at least ban weapons on these patrols. I never leave home without it and if some fool such as Zimmerman started stalking me instead of a 17 year old kid then he would have a problem. Meanwhile irresponsible people such as Zimmerman and Racists and Bigots on both sides jeopardize my permit.

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        Maybe I’m crazy but doesn’t 2012 minus 1987 = 25 – unless there’s a new math out there the obama’s are requiring…..

        • Charles Moore

          Your math is correct. The claim was that he lived in Florida and has had a permit ofr 45 years. The number 45 does not equal 25. Instead of trying to defend him how about reading my post that concerned 45 years

          • eliwhit

            Charles you just keep pushing the envelope don’t you SOB! lets see do you proof read every post! Is it possible that an error of type was made! Or is it even possible that I was carrying long before you were a dribble unfortunately that survived and grew into a one cell creature that makes his remarks on limited data.! That is so ingenius that he knows how far everything went in the trayvon case for he can see 160 miles or was he there? Hell no his first post was so full of ignorance and still is that it is obvious to read that he is the magistrate of total racism toward the White man! It is not hard to figure out that your bias would not survive much legal scrutiny! You had to whine and cry to the moderator to have my button pushing obviously true remarks to you and about you removed! You are not a very good sneak their Charlie boy but you are all of the former posts remarks that I made about you and then some! If you plan to go away do not lie and then return to back bite some one! You are a very cowardly person and that is why you need a gun! You will make a mistake one day and it will be curtains for you! Hope those viewing take the same approach that you have taken for your dooms day!

          • eliwhit

            Duh! Charles, your perfection is showing, what does ofr spell! I will let you figure out which you cannot which is the answer of my carry experience and expertise, I did not need a police department to train me on offensive and defensive use of a firearm! Which dooes not make you a trained force of one! Oh, I keep forgetting you are the know it all of all thingss. from watching TV local news which is editted and controlled via the obama nn organization! You and your kind are now on the up front and it ain’t looking good for you at this point!

      • eliwhit

        Let me make sure about your ignorant ranting and raving! It appears that your Sanity is being lost and perhaps you should volunteer to turn in the permit that you are using to illegally carry your weapon! Mentally incompetents such as yourself become our greatest threat to the rights! Not people that stand up for their rights! It is obvious that you are a Liberal idiot bastard that feels that you and only you have the right to carry! You and only you have the right to cast judgements and in your case without any facts, just your half baked local news ( you stated this so from your own mouth comes your own condemnation!) I have made and stand bye my biggoted statements because I am sick and tired of liberal bastards such as yourself thinking and dictating my rights to me! I have the right to my opinion of you reverse discriminatory mongral moron idiots! When you are done eating a mile of the liberal defication that you are obviously nourished from. Be sure to use mouthwash and gargle or your breath will smell like sharpton,farrakhan,jackson,obama defication which will definitely make you a lot more offensive than you already are! As for your statement about looking for something on this article that would be of intelligence! You removed all doubt about yourself with your very first posting. You live in your own one way world hoping that we all will bow down to you! As far as Florida is concerned you are the reason good Floridians left years ago to try to stay away from your backwards living in a pile life style that people like you have created! You are the most one sided incredibly blind as well as stupid individual! You are the type of mental midget that thinks when you say it, that makes it so! Well repeat this 10 times in your mirror I am a big Narcisitic dummIe and the world revolves around me and my closed and yet muddled mind but my obama and his protectors will keep me from harm from those that know the difference from darkness and evil such as ourselves!

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        charles moore – I was going by what you wrote: “There is no way that you lived in Florida and had a concealed weapon permit for 25 years because Florida didn’t issue them until 1987. Apparently you can’t add or subtract or perhaps you just lied about it.”

        And that made no sense.

        • eliwhit

          I can both add and subtract quite well thanks. You just are quite short on your perception which is common sense. I have carried long before it was fashionable! Now can you read between the lines or are you another charles moore! Percieve what you wish and have your own opinion as you wish, That is what this great Countries rights are all about but to assume that you know something to be true without getting all the facts shows that you do not know the ole ASSUME, addage!

          • Charles Moore

            I am only answering one post at a time and since all of the recent posts are from you then I will answer it. So in at least two posts you now claim that the “45″ years was a typo etc. You are a joke. The posts have always been about Zimmerman. My experience with the Police etc has nothing to do with Zimmerman, I have said in every post that Zimmerman was unqualified to be doing those patrols and to especially be carrying a gun on them. He has never been listed as having any training at all. It has been cited that he has called the Sanford police department 45 times complaining about something in the community. I doubt if you were carrying before me as I was carrying in the Military but that makes no difference. You did not have a concealed permit in Florida before 1987 and your excuse of a typo is pretty pathetic. Here are the points again.
            1. There is no way that Zimmerman could have known all the residents in the community by sight. Even if that was the case which is doubtful then there s no way that he could have known who was visiting a resident from elsewhere unless they all checked in each time they visited and left a picture at a central location. This happens to be the case with the 17 year old.
            2. In a true gated community there would only be one way to access it and that would be through a gate monitored by a security guard.There would be a record of the names of people entering it but no pictures. Zimmerman told 911 that Martin was heading toward a back gate to the community. This is not a gated community if you can enter it through an unmonitored gate. If the gate had a keypad or a log etc and each valid resident had a key etc then all Zimmerman had to do was wait and see if he had access by these means or was trying to force the gate etc.
            3. The fact that Martin was heading toward the gate for entrance to the community means that Martin was outside the community which makes sense as he was going to the store. The only time of community that would have an actual store in it would be one such as for seniors with a golf course and a mini mall etc. This was not such a community.
            4. So Zimmerman was driving outside the community and whatever he was doing was npt patrolling the community itself.
            5. Zimmerman than left his car and started following Martin. He had no right to do it outside the community. AT this time Zimmerman could have drove away or he could have remained inside his SUV and observed Martin .
            6. A person with a concealed weapons permit is not allowed to display it even in a threatening manner to intimidate etc. They are only allowed to expose it in the case of imminent bodily harm to yourself or another person. None of these conditions existed while Zimmerman was in his SUV. They would not have existed if Zimmerman had not left his SUV. which was not his right. Zimmerman was an aggressive untrained clown who had already peppered the Sanford Police department with at least 45 calls that turned out to be nothing. and had no business following/stalking Martin.

            I will also wager that Zimmerman does not have any self defense insurance , He could buy $50,000 for about $100 a year or $100,000 for about $175 a year. Most people do not need it as they will rarely encounter a situation in normal day to day activity where they need to draw their weapon. Zimmerman should have it because he put himself in this position when he went on patrols. Even if there is no criminal prosecution I can pretty much guaranty that there will be civil suits. This insurance pays for a lawyer. that is an expert in this area.

            Anybody that can’t see the above points not only lacks common sense but is an Idiot.

          • eliwhit

            No you fool You cannot read apparently go back and try again see if you can comprehend what you read on the second time around! DAYAHSOB!

          • eliwhit

            You have no experience with the police and you are a lying PODS! You think someone died and appointed you god allmighty! Just who the hell died and left you to be an expert as you certainly are not for it is obvious that your cannot read worth a crap just like your daddy obama cannot give a speech! You are a fraud and are putting youself up to be that which you are not an expert! You no more have all the facts than you have a brain! and it is obvious that you suppose and assume and gravitate to your own fictional creations! You are the biggest Narcisist on the planet YSAYSOB! YMWAWAMHBRTo’sMAMA

          • eliwhit

            Why dont you PYHBUPYA from which came!

  • eliwhit

    (personal attack removed)

    • Charles Moore

      I see your personal attack has been removed. These personal attacks further show you as a bigot. This will be my last post to a racist as well as a bigot and somebody as clueless as yourself.
      1, There is no way that Zimmerman could know all the residents and visitors of the community.
      2. In his 911 call, Zimmerman states that the 17 year old is heading for the back gate to the community. This means that Zimmerman was outside the community. It is also not a true gated community if one can get access without a monitored gate of some sort.
      3. The NRA and the United Stated Concealed weapon Assoc. etc recommends that anybody that carries a concealed weapons permit have home defense insurance. One can get $50,000 for as little as $100 a year. While it is no necessary for most one would be very foolish going on an armed patrol without it. Zimmerman has no formal training and is a cowboy. Even if he escapes prosecution there will be a civil trial and he probably doesn’t have it. Who pays for his lawyer. Perhaps you can contribute to it.
      4. If I was a Liberal then I wouldn’t have a concealed permit. DUH!
      5. Zimmerman has claimed from the very start that he was on patrol as well a as friends. I saw an interview with his father and the father is now claiming that his son was only going to the store and saw the kid. Seems stories are changing to try and make Zimmerman less liable.
      6. The father also claimed that he and friends were 100% positive that it was Zimmerman calling for Help. Two independent expert voice analysts have stated that it is not the voice of Zimmerman calling for help.
      7. I have worked with the Police here. I had to take a 40 hour course on just firearms, Felony and Misdemeanor Laws as well as the parts of a pistol etc and qualify on the range . The course to obtain a concealed weapons permit is a joke. I only had to pay the licensing fee since my course was many times the required hours for a concealed permit. Zimmerman did not have the training required to be making such decisions.
      8. Community watch programs should consists of making people aware of problems ans reporting them only.
      9. Even most professional security companies do not furnish armed guards because of the expense of Liability insurance for all of them.

      People such as Zimmerman will cause these community watch programs to be more closely monitored and restricted.

      • eliwhit

        Yeah and you keep coming back for more of the same which proves that you are a stupider fool than any biggot every was . You all in all are the race mongering biggot in reverse for it is you that desires to do unsubstantiated and not necessary actions against a possibly innocent person! It is you and your mouth that will in fact hurt your own Firearms future Carry possibilities. I just hope the same happens to you and you utilize your weapon and kill someone and you get a good taste of what you are wanting to happen to someone else! You ever hear of this ” What goes around comes around” ! Yours will infact be coming around you never can tell how soon!

      • eliwhit

        You contribute to his fees you are the one pushing for his persecution and prosecution! I have read enough to know and seen pictures enough to know that evidence will probably exhonerate and that may even have kept it out of trial court had it not been for drug pushing race baiters like you! You accuse me of being the ones that will jeopardize your Firearms Carry certification. Not Pal look in the mirror you are the one who cannot shut up ab go away or die or something of the like! I do not care to ever hear from a whining crying baby Race baiter like you again! Exception: read about you in the obituary column! I do not live in another State by the way I live in your neighborhood! You do not know me but we know you!

  • eliwhit

    Whning ,crying racist baiter,You know charles moore you are Right as usual it is to bad it wasn’t you on the recieving end instead of Trayvon! Maybe it will and you will stop sending your fan mail to me! Just trying as you are to get me to respond and I always have something to say to idiots like you. You can now cry to the moderator to have this one removed! You would not want the readers to know that you keep baiting me !

    • Paul

      eliwhit, get a clue, charles is not listening, you are waisting time and words. Some people only look for a place to spew hatred and ugliness, nothing is gained by waisting time in this kind of dialogue with foolishness. Protect your own heart and head from his poisonous words, you don’t need them, nor does anyone else.

      • eliwhit

        You are right and I have been wrong but if I were to meet this guy I would gladly shove his undeserved carry permit and weapon up his rectum! If he quits sending to me I will do likwise. As I told him if I read his name in the obits will be fine with me! This liberal idiot thinks that all the fact and findings are in this one article and he based his entire persecution of Zimmerman on this premise. He has no idea what all else has been revealed in the articles that show what a sweetheart 12 year old depicted trayvon and his now 17 year old gold teeth! This youth could have spared his own life bye not sneaking up on and assaulting Zimmerman! If I were given the Grand jury seat and I know there is a lot more info not released yet, At this point in time and with instruction from the Judge feel that it would not even go to trial! But if it does and all the facts come out we shall see who was the aggressor and who was the poor little pictured middle schooler NOT! As I have stated I am sick and tired of the blacks making us out to be the bad guys when they themselves are the racially biased trouble making criminals here and as is being asked What about all the rapes and murders of late nation wide Black on Black and Black on White! Jackson,sharpton, and farrakhan are silent on all these cases and issues! Oh! I forgot that we whites are the racist bigots nor the mongering idoits like these. I have said all I have to say on this but will stand bye for any reprisals from we know who!

      • eliwhit

        Thanks Paul!

      • Charles Moore

        Amazing. Want to see a huge problem in this Country. Look in the mirror. I have detailed everything. It is the Bigots, Racists and the clueless here who aren’t listening. Zimmerman did not have the training to be out there stalking people with a gun. Comments such as ” it is too bad that I was not on the receiving end” shows the height of your ignorance. I can guaranty you that as former Military and a lot of experience in this area as well as a concealed weapons permit with more training that if some clown such as Zimmerman or yourself was involved that I would not be the victim. There is no way that Zimmerman could have known all the residents and their visitors and he wasn’t even on community property. It has also came out that 911 has 45 previous calls from Zimmerman reporting such actions. He was a “cowboy” There is no proof this kid was up to anything against the law and he certainly did not deserve to die. Zimmerman was driving in his car. This untrained clown after reporting what he considered might be suspicious activity instead of leaving or watching from a distance left his car and began to follow him. Don’t blame me if you are ignorant and have no common sense and/.or logic.A four or six hour course to get a concealed weapon permit is a joke. .

  • http://madgorilla.wordpress.com madgorilla

    I’ve been following this controversy since it hit the national news. It put me thinking about a lot of things, but in particular what the cause of all the rage is. From a purely legal standpoint, this case will work its way through the system, just like every other case. What makes it a bellweather is the extraordinary willingness on both sides to totally ignore the facts and concentrate instead on the racism aspects. So, if anyone is interested, click on the link below for my take on the root cause of this. If you have an open mind, read on. If you don’t, its your problem and your loss.

    http://madgorilla.wordpress.com/2012/04/07/blacks-still-living-in-slavery/

  • eliwhit

    Now you can call the moderator again crybaby, If he don’t get his way he cries for he cannot face the fact that he is a LEGEND IN HIS OWN MIND!

  • eliwhit

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  • eliwhit

    Did I read that you were dishonorably discharged under the don’t ask dont tell regs.

    • http://madgorilla.wordpress.com madgorilla

      Why don’t both of you clowns just SHUT UP! Enough already.

      • http://folkartist.wordpress.com Libertytrain

        well said – a couple of middle school boys…

        • Charles Moore

          Hey Genius.I am only posting one post . They are common sense based ot logic and experience . Your racist a. There nd bigoted buddy is posting about ten to my one. The only clowns here are the ones who support him and don’t want to discuss the points or they are too ignorant to respond either for or against the points and want to defend a person who is a racist and a bigot. Perhaps most here do not have the common sense to respond to them either one way or the other.

          I mentioned in my last posts that I guaranty that the cowboy Zimmerman was incapable of understanding that he needed to purchase legal defense insurance for putting himself in such a position. You can purchase $50,000 for $100 a year. This is less then nine dollars a month. It is less than thirty cents a day.

          It was announced this morning that Zimmerman now has a website. Zimmerman is asking for donations in order to pay for food and legal expenses. Why don’t you people look it up and start contributing to him. Zimmerman was outside his community. There is no way that he could recognize all the people who lived inside it let alone the people who visted the residents from elsewhere. . Zimmerman was in his SUV and should never have left it to follow Martin, He could have observed him from the vehicle. The Sanford Police have stated that Zimmerman has called 45 times before with accusations that were never proven. The lead police investigator on the scene wanted to arrest Zimmerman but was over ruled by the D.A. Those are the facts. Contribute to the Zimmerman defense fund that woud not be necessary if Zimmerman would have purchased $50,000 worth of insurance or had not left his SUV . ,The untrained and clueless Zimmerman should not have been out there stalking people. Folllowing people that you can’t recognize is stalking and doing it with a gun is reckless and irresponsible. The person that he is stalking could also have a gun. Jackson and Sharpton are race hustlers or race baiters. Take your choice. A person calling them coons is no better and is also a racist. This person is also a bigot who resorts to name calling and insults. The fact that you call is both clowns demonstrates your ignoance and lack of common sense. Contrbute to the Zimmerman web site

          • Paul

            Charles, you need to get a life, how many names do you want to call people? how many times do you feel you need to tell people how stupid they are? Does all of this rambling empower you and give you a sense of purpose and value? Let it go,,,, have you positioned yourself to set everyone straight here? How exhausting, especially reading all your demeaning words, get a life outside of the critical and bitter words. So what if people don’t see it all or have all the facts, do you think you really know it all? Of course I am sure you will feel the need to come back with some really original nasty stuff here, I would hate to see if you and eliwhit actually ever met in person, God helps us, we might be watching about you guys on tv.

          • Charles Moore

            The Genius again. I reply in kind. I have never been as nasty as your buddy Eli. He has proven himslf to be a Racist and a Bigot. I have used those wrods and I have also used the words ignorant and stupid. Your friend Eli who you are salivating to defend has attacked me personally with lies and accusations and much worse, I can’t help it if you donn’t like to be called stupid. Then all ypu have to do is either agree with the points I have listed or show them to be false. If you do neither then don’t comment at all. If you do neither and yet attack me or defend the Racists and Bigots and those that lack common sense and logic then it is you that have the problem.

      • Charles Moore

        I have only listed common sense and logic. I am only listing one post at a time. The Racist and the Bigot lists about ten to my every one. The bigot does not respond to the points of those posts either because he is extremely ignorant or doesn’t want to admit that he is clueless.Nobody else is replying to the points which means that they are also cluleless.

        In my last posts I mentioned the need to purchase legal expense insurance if one was going to put themselves in the position of Zimmerman and these ridiculous watch positions when they are untrainined and clueless. One can buy $50,000 for about 100.00 a year This is less than nine dollars a month. Less than thirty cents a day.

        It was anpounced this morning that Zimmerman has a website begging for food and legal expenses.The clueless here need to look it up and contribute to it. Especially the racist and the bigo who can do nothing but name calling and insults. The guy is a joke.Help the clueless Zimmerman and contribute to his food and legal expenses,

  • eliwhit

    Hey why are you not involved with the 78 year old man that your brothers severly beat but you aren’t jumping on the band wagon trying to get justice on this one! You would not know justice if it hit you between the eyes your are so biasand racially bigoted yourself!

  • eliwhit

    You are a stupid individual and what makes you think that there are not liberals with carry permits! DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMYYYYYYYYY!

  • http://www.soundcloud.com/noeticj noeticjaded

    Hey everyone my name is Noetic J and I believe that this is a tragedy that everyone should become aware about so it does not happen again! I have included the link to my Music Video on behalf of Trayvon Martin and what occurred. Please check it out and if you like it spread the word. Much love.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9Ryod_PFJM&feature=youtu.be

    • Charles Moore

      You are absolutely correct and the first sensible comment I have heard here. It was indeed a tragedy. This 17 year old did not deserve to die. Martin was visiting there and thus had a right to be there. There was no way that Zimmerman could have known about it. Zimmerman was a untrained cowboy with a gun. This incident would never have happened if Zimmerman had never left his vehicle. Zimmerman has a record of making 45 complaints to the Sanford Police that are unproven. There is something worng here. How many people call the police 45 times about the same thing?. He placed himself in a position where he needed self defense insurance which would have cost him less than thirty cents a day for $50,000. His own attorneys don’t know his location. His attorneys toid him to not say a word which is pretty standard advice. Yet Zimmemran is calling Hannity and the office of the State Attorney appointed by the Governor of Florida to investigate the incident. Zimmerman now has a website with a paypal account begging for donations for food and legal expenses. Most neighborhood watch communities only go as far as encouraging people to support suspicious activity and what to look for and how to contact the authorities as well as signs that they are a neighborhood watch. I have a permit to carry and would never go on such patrols with or without a weapon. The best thing that can be done to prevent such tradegies is to not allow people to carry guns on these patrols and to have the police closely supwervise them. Another solution would be to hire professional security people and let the

      • http://madgorilla.wordpress.com madgorilla

        Why exactly did he not deserve to die? Since when is trying to crush somebody’s skull against a sidewalk not sufficient grounds to get blown away? I don’t even care about his color, or of Zimmerman’s. Assault with intent to commit murder is capital felony in every state in this country, regardless of race, color, creed, or religion.

        And while we’re at it, inciting others to commit murder (by putting a bounty on someone) is also a major felony. So is inciting a riot or mob action.

        As far as the neighborhood watch thing, the cops can’t protect you all the time. In fact, the Supreme Court has ruled that police do NOT have an obligation to protect ANY individual from harm. If I had a CCW permit, I would also have been armed as Zimmerman was. He was within his legal rights since there is no prohibition against carrying while doing what he was doing. I would also have shot Martin under similar circumstances. Given Martin’s previous behavior and history, Zimmerman probably saved the taxpayers a boatload of money because that kid was on the road to the big house. Whether you like it or not, FBI UCR statistics prove it.

        • Charles Moore

          Are you reall that ignorant?Where is your evidence?. The father of Zimmerman has changed his story several times. Zimmeman is a fool who is on record of calling the police 45 times about things in the neighborhood that were not proven. Howe many times have yopu called the police 45 times about the same thing? I know Angela Cory and sheare tewo is one of the best of the best. She has charged Zimmerman with 2nd Degree murder “based on evidence”. She would not have did it if she didn’t have any evidence. The lead police investigator wanted to arrest Zimmerman but was over ruled by the local D.A.There is no way that Zimmerman couild have known if Martin belonged in the neighborhood or not.There are two expert voice analysts who have testified that it is not the voice of Zimmerman calling for help.There are at least six 911 calls on tape that dispute the account of Zimmerman. Finally and most important. A person with a concealed weapons license is not allowed to display a weapon unless that person or somebody else is in imminent danger of bodily harm that will result in death. A nose bleed even if it happened does not fit the case. Are you really that IGNORANT.

    • Charles Moore

      We are very fortunate that Magorilla doesn’t have a CCW pemit since Madgorrila has no common sense. According to Madgorill “the kid deserved to die”. If Madgorilla has the evidence that he deserved to die then she needs to forward it to the Defense Lawyers for Zimmerman. If this clown is stating that Martin deserved to die and has no evidence then they aren’t only ignorant but an Idiot.

      • http://madgorilla.wordpress.com madgorilla

        You obviously have a reading comprehension problem, Chuck. I laid out very specific circumstances wherein Zimmerman was justified to shoot, and so would anybody else in the same circumstances. You’ve also got a lot of nerve taking me to task for what I said when you’ve been spewing BS for the last two weeks. You have no more evidence than anybody else does at this point, yet anybody who disagrees with you is stupid, a racist, etc. You’re a hypocrite of the first water. If you’ve never been in a situation where you had to shoot in defense of your life, you don’t have a clue about any of this. There are some people here who have had to, who understand things a lot better than you ever will.

        • Charles Moore

          You said that Martin deserved to die. If you have evidence that this is the case then you need to forward it to the Zimmerman defende team. If you are making that staement based on no evidence then you are an Idiot. I don’t know what actually happened and neither do you. I do know that Zimmerman and his friends claim that it is Zimmerman yelling for help but 2 independent expert voice analysts claim it is not. That is one discrepacy. If anyone with any proper training was driving down the road and thought they saw something suspicious then tey report it tp the police or observe at a distance. They don’t get out of the car and follw them. If you don’t know why then you are an Idiot. There is no way that Zimmerman could have known all the residents in his neighborhood by sight and certainly not people who were visiting from elsewhere and had a right to be there as guests. Zimmerman states on the 911 call that Martin is suspicious and doesn’t belong there. As a matter of fact, he was visiting his Aunt and had every right to be there. Anybody that doesn’t realize this is an Idiot. A person with a CCW permit is not allowed to display it unless there is an imminent danger of bodily harm that will result in Death. There was never any evidence of it. A bloody nose even if it happened does not qualify here. You have not justified anything. All you have done is parrot infomation you have heard on the Internet from people who are also as clueless as yourself. I have a CCW permit and if I ever see anybody following me and see evidence of a gun since they are not allowed to show it then I can guaranty you that I see a such a situation that could result in my death and I won’t be an unarmed innocent. kid. I would never agree to be neighbor hood watch patrol person armed or unarmed for the reasons mentioned and more. If the neighborhood wants one then they should hire profdessionals and pay for it. I Guaranty you that I have much more experence in this area than yourself. Zimmerman was also outside his Community which is another reason that he had not right to follow Martin. If Zinmmerman had not exited his car then the event would not have happened . Zimmerman had no right to leave that car armed unless he saw a situation where there was imminent danger of Bodily harm and anybody that doesn;t see it is an Idiot.Then there is the fact that Zimmerman has called 911 no less than 45 times to report nonsense that has never been proven. The 911 system is for emergency calls and not ordering pizzas or being a pest. Then there is the fact that the lead police investigator on the scene wanted to arrest Zimmerman but was prevented by the local D.A. who is not an investigator and employs an investigator for fact finding etc. You don’t have a clue.

          • http://madgorilla.wordpress.com madgorilla

            Sorry, Charlie, you don’t get to put words in my mouth. I said ANYbody who has somebody on top of them trying to cave in their skull (which is what is alledged by Zimmerman and two witnesses) is justified in shooting the guy, and that in similar circumstances I would do the same, and deservedly so.

            There are also quite a few very experienced lawyers who are scratching their heads over Angela Corey’s 2nd degree murder charge. More than one has said she overcharged Zimmerman. I have also seen reports that she is known for being overly aggressive as a prosecutor.

            Now, if you want to continue to try to misconstrue what I said, go for it. Everybody else can see that all you’re doing is spreading the same manure around trying to make it look like its new. That dog won’t hunt. And, I’m done responding to your stupidity.

          • Paul

            very well said

          • Charles Moore

            Again. You have no evidence of this .Zimmerman and his father have already changed their stories three times. Two expert Independent voice analysts have stated that the voice yelling for help is not that of Zimmerman. Who else was there. So it is Maritn yelling for help then why would he be yelling for help if he was on top of Zimmerman?Yet the father of Zimmerman and his friends swear that it was Zimmerman yelling for help. Again you are clueless and only parrot what you read . Polly want a cracker. This would not have happened of the cowboy Zimmerman was not out there using a lack of common sense. He also had no right to exit his vehicle. He is not the Police. A CCW holder is not allowed to display his weapon unless he/she or somebody else is in imminent danger of bodily harm that will result in Death. This situation did not exist and there was no reason to exit his vehicle. Even if a bloody nose was the case:A bloody nose does not result in Death unlkess you are a hemophiliac in which case Zimmerman should not be out there etc. You are an Idiot for ignoring the facts and common sense.

      • http://www.soundcloud.com/noeticj noeticjaded

        Very true I 100% agree Charles.

        • Charles Moore

          Unfortunately you are in a Minority. Mad Gorilla and others have ignored the facts as well as common sense and the rules as well as personal responsibilty. Their expertise is repeating non evidence.

  • Ghost Riders m/c

    Its not funny that that croud mentality got OJ simpson off of murder. and the same croud mentality is judging Mr zimmerman .

    • Charles Moore

      It was a Jury that exonerated him. The Prosecution was inadequate . There is also a belief that it was actually the son of OJ. Casey Anthony was also let off. They had a Prosecutor that overshot by seeking Murder which was not backed up by the evidence. Finally there was several incompentent people on the jury, The Jury Foreman was a highSchool P.E. teacher who had “:a gut feeling” that the father of Anthony was not telling the truth. Her Defense also accused him of child abuse with no proof and many on the jury bought it. Unfortunatley there are a lot of stupid people who watch programs such as CSI and think that the case should be solved in an hour. If Zimmerman had been halfway intelligent then he would not have put himself in this position ans he would have purchased self defense insurance that would have cost him $100 a year or less then thirty cents a day for $50,000 that would have got him an excellent defense.

  • Ghost Riders m/c

    Well I think mr Zimmerman did what was rite & correct he saw a suspicuos person called 911 at 3 AM took along his gun for personal protection, he drove his SUV to follow him but lost the suspicious person then got out to follow on foot the 911 dispatcher asked are you following him he said yes at wich time he was told you don’t have to follow him sir mr zimmerman comlpied said ok and headed back to his SUV when he was confronted by Trayvon who asked. Do you have a problem with me? Zimmerman No. Travon. Well now you Do. Trayvon 1 Punch to the face from 6ft 3in Trayvon floored Zimmerman at 5ft 6in at wich time Trayvon got on top of Zimmerman slamming Zimmermans head into the ground. while a neighbor waching screamed get off of him. Zimmerman at that point pulled his weapon and fired 1 shot to the chest killing Travon. Did Zimmerman over react I dont think so. That is why I carry you dont Know where some one who wishes to do you harm will stop. its a matter of life & Death

  • JFB

    Black,Brown,White in your minds eye change this to 2 bit bull dogs then make it in a closed gate community, then look at the records of the bit bulls -take away the pressure of society of Black Brown White thing, go by the time of day, if they should be out (either of them) the simple truth is, if it put to basic thinking both have huge society influenced wrongs here, no one wins with courts except that ones that make money off it, the ones is dead, the other is being put to the cross for why should you live now, No one knows other than the 2 people involved, with that said no court or judge in the land, due to all the pressure in the papers or public—it will never be handled correctly, I do question he head hunters or the people that are bias about who is a fault here, society has changed people so much that i think both have equal blame, for this sad meeting of 2 young men that poss have been influenced to label each other by looks or race……Yep keep your gun loaded and make sure you are not labeled in anyway if for some reason you use it to defend yourself,,in other words do not look for trouble let it come to you…. that way it is no question as to who did what… not thinking any win for either side here !! not poss today!!!

    • http://madgorilla.wordpress.com madgorilla

      The sad truth, if someone stops long enough to realize it, is that this incident was racially motivated but the roots of that go back well over 100 years.

      The original gun control laws in this country were passed to keep blacks, Jews, Catholics, and other minority immigrants from having the means to resist the depredations of corrupt landlords and political bosses in places like New York City. It wasn’t specifically about race, but about the fact that those people typically were easy prey for extortion. If they had no access to firearms, they couldn’t resist.

      Over the years, it became a political issue for the Democrats and liberals in the cities in the East, and gun control moved slowly westward as the frontier was settled. As has been shown by history, criminals moved with it, and those with no arms quickly became victims. That situation continued nationwide, particularly in urban areas, until crime became so rampant that there was a backlash and states began passing new laws that allowed concealed carry, and eventually ‘stand your ground’ and ‘castle doctrine’ laws.

      The other part of this is that a very large percentage of crime is carried out by blacks and other minorities. No racial slurs intended here, that’s simply a fact — check the FBI’s Uniform Crime Report if you don’t believe me. That’s why 18-24 yr. old black males have a 50% chance of getting shot dead before they turn 25, and why there is a disproportionate number of blacks in prison for crimes of violence (even after adjusting for possible bias in sentencing).

      That is the situation that existed when Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman met on that fateful night. No matter how you slice and dice it, Martin was exhibiting behavior typical of someone prowling a neigborhood late at night looking for a place to rob, or someone to mug. That behavior was a problem in that neighborhood, and that’s why Zimmerman was out that night. Their fates that night were sealed by over 100 years of racism, bigotry, and corruption. The outcome was preordained.

      • JFB

        I agree, my thinking is both out late at night, one looking then another one looking both are a product of our years & years of problems, not that either have a chance of being correct in what has happened, the west was won with the 6th gun, knowing that was due to lawless problems, I only wish people would think before they act out and yep it was preordained by past …. P,S. I don’t trust the FBI,The feds or the states for any info, not that you would be wrong to look to see what they say, i have seen and known to many things about the internal workings of higher up offices……”Just Don’t Trust Them At All.” not with your life or mine !

        • Charles Moore

          Nonsense.

      • Charles Moore

        Nonsense. Are you still spewing this crap?. Were you there? i I have asked this question many times of you and you were not. You don’t know what happened any more than the Man in the Moon. What a bunch of crap about not wanting Catholics etc to own guns. During the Clinton Administration Congress passes Legislation that anybody convicted of Domestic abuse could not own a gun. Zimmerman was convicted of Domestic Violence against a former girlfriend. This is a Federal Law. Zimmerman should not have a gun let alone a CCW permit. During his Bond hearing Zimmerman claimed he had no money. Now it turns out he had $204,000 in a website fund. This guy lies constantly. I have already detailed his extremely poor judgement. Zimmerman is a Clown who not only should not have a gun but there is no way that he could have known all the residents let alone their visitors. If you have evidence that Martin was prowling around then you need to send it to the Defense of Zimmerman. We know and you know that you weren’t there and you are an uniformed Joke.

    • Charles Moore

      Are we still on this nonsense. It has been proven that Zimmerman did not tell the truth about a fund that had $204,000 and said he had no money in order to get a $150,000 bail. It has also came out that Zimmerman was convicted of Domestic Abuse against a girl friend. During the Clinton Administration there was a law passed by Congress that anybody convicted of Domestic violence is not allowed to own a gun,This is a Federal Law and cost a lot of Police officers that were convicted of domestic violence their guns and hence their jobs. The clown Zimmerman should not have had a gun let alone a permit in addition to his poor judgement.

      • JFB

        Not that i have made any comments about right or wrong doing with the case , after years (24 years) of being on the scene of shootings,car wrecks,domestic problems then reading the papers reports, on the same call out the next day, i have been taught for years not to believe 1% of what is printed or reported by others,as to on scene it is bias and misinformation 99% of the time.,, I was not commenting on the after (what he did or said or what others have said) but the reason for it to happen in the first place without reading any news releases….I have no judgement mob here, Charles Moore.

        • http://madgorilla.wordpress.com madgorilla

          Don’t let it bother you. Mr. Moore can’t help himself. Like a rabid dog, he can only foam at the mouth and spew hate. Doesn’t matter what the facts are, or what the historical context that made this tragic case possible is. I’ve rarely seen anybody in the blogosphere who is so single-mindedly hate filled.

          • JFB

            Thanks for the comment, Madgorilla seems its to hot to comment on, even with logic >>>

          • Charles Moore

            Are you really that Ignorant? Your buddy stated that Martin was prowling around etc. How does he know this? Was he there.?I merely stated that if he was a witness and had evidence of it that he needed to forward it to the Zimmerman Defense team. If not then he is an Idiot that is making false statements. I also stated that Zimmerman had be convicted of Domestic violence and thus Federal law prevented him from owning a firearm.

            A person carry a concealed weapon is not allowed to display it unless their life or the life of somebody else is in imminent danger. That situation never existed because Zimmerman was in his car and Martin was alone. The potential existed when the cowboy Zimmerman exited his car. I can’t help it if you are too Ignorant to understand it.

          • Charles Moore

            The only Ignorance here is people making claims such as Martin was prowling around when they weren’t there and people defending them. Also anybody that defends the bad judgement and lack of common sense of Zimmerman. Unfortunately there is no Law against being Stupid. Also Zimmerman has constantly lied about it. He claimed that it was his voice on the tape calling for help when two expert voice analyzers from Orlando claimed it was not Zimmerman. Since Martin is not alive then there is no way to test his voice, however, if it was not Zimmerman then who was it. The tooth fairy?. Zimmerman also lied at his Bond hearing when he said he was broke while having $204,000 donated to him on a website. Who would believe anything out of his mouth, If it is true that he has been convicted of Domestic abuse then he is not able to own a gun and this is a Federal Law.

          • http://madgorilla.wordpress.com madgorilla

            Blah, blah, freakin’ blah! You weren’t there either, you moron, so what makes your opinion any better than that of anybody else? It doesn’t. You are so in denial it makes my eyes water. By the way, whatever made you think I’m a ‘she’? More assumption of facts not in evidence, but then you’re good at that.

          • Charles Moore

            The only Moron here is Madgorilla. I have never expressed any opinions. I have never claimed I was there. You are the one that claimed that ” Martin was “prowling”. You have no evidence of it. This is not Brain Surgery or Rocket Science. The Moron is you.
            1. There is no way that Zimmerman could have recognized everybody that lived in the community. Even if this was true, there is no way that Zimmerman could have known about visitors who were visiting residents. The visitors didn’t provide pictures to the neighborhood watch patrol. Martin was visiting his Aunt and had every right to be there..
            2. A person with a CCW permit is not allowed to show or demonstrate his weapon in any way unless their life or the life of somebody else is in imminent danger, This is not an opinion. It is the Law. This situaton did not exist while Zimmerman was driving his car. It did not exist with Martin as he was alone.
            3. The proper action and the Law would have been for Zimmerman to report the incident from his car to the Police if he thought there was suspiciuos activity and the either leave the area unless instructed by police or stayed in the area and observed from a distance until an “imminent ” danger situation arose. This is the Law. Not opinion. Zimmerman did not notify the police until he exited his car and was folllowing Martin.
            4. Zimmerman claimed that the voice callig for help on the tape is Zimmerman. Two Independent voice analysts from Orlando have stated it is no Zimmerman.
            5. Zimmerman lied at his Bond hearing when he claimed that he was broke, He had $204,000 in a web account.
            5, It is clamed that Zimmerman was previously convicted of Domestic abuse. Congress passed Legislaton during the Clinton Administration that anybody convicted of Domestic Abuse can own a gun. Zimmemran would have been asked this on their background investigation for is Pemit,If it s true then Zimmerman committed Perjury.

            The above are all Facts and not Opinions. Only a Moron such as yourself would give opinions which is the case with you and it isn’t your frirst time,

        • Charles Moore

          I don’t believe for one minute that you had all that experience. Even if this was the case then your judgement is not that good. A person with a CCW l permit is not allowed to display it in any way unless they are in imminent danger or the life of somebody else is in imminent danger. This situation did not exist with Zimmerman in his car. It did not exist with Martin as he was alone. The potential for it existed when Zimmerman exited his car. As a CCW permit holder had I been driving down the road and saw one person and thought there was suspicious activity then I would have done one of two things.
          1. Notified the Police and exited the scene unless the Police asked me to remain or
          2. Observed from a distance in my car until a life threatening or bodily harm situation presented itself.

          Modgrilla claimed that Martin was ” prowling” around.B.S. She wasn’t there.

          • JFB

            How funny you would question my experience,
            without knowing me, i have 24 years as a fire fighter,, all in all done no more blogs to dishonor your comments or mine that is the passive way to handle all problems. Please do not disrespect people without knowing who they are …

          • Charles Moore

            I question the experience of anybody is who defending Zimmerman at this point. . here are the facts. Not opinions but facts.
            1. The lead Police investigator on the scene wanted to arrest Zimmerman but was over – ruled by the District Attorney. I don’t know about other States but here in Florida there is a duty D.A. on call 24/7. In order to make an arrest in many cases, the Police have to clear it with that D.A
            2., A person with a CCW permit is not allowed to display their weapon unless their life or the life of somebody else is in imminent danger. Zimmerman was driving his car. He was not in imminent danger. Martin was alone. His life was not in imminent danger and there was nobody else near him so there was nobody else in imminent danger.
            3. I have a CCW permit in Florida, If I was driving and saw what I thought was suspicious activity then I would call 911 .I would then leave the area unless the Police asked me to stay. If I did stay then I would observe at a distance from my car until a bad situation arose.Zimmerman does not and did not have any Police Powers, He put everything into motion when he decided to exit his car and follow him. We have the 911 tapes. Zimmerman did not call the Police until he exited his car and followed Martin. What ever happened did not happen until Zimmerman exited his car and followed Martin.
            4. There is no way that Zimmerman could have known everybody that lived in the Community and been able to recognize them and know they belonged there. Even if this was the case there is no way that he could have known visitors that have every right to be there. Visitors and people they are visiting do not report to the neighborhood watch patrol etc.Martin was visiting an Aunt in the Community and had every right to be there.
            5. Zimmerman claims that it is his voice on the 911 call yelling for help. Two independent Voice Analysts from Orlando have stated that it is not the voice of Zimmerman on the tape yelling for help.
            6. At his Bond hearing, Zimmerman claimed he was broke even though he had $204,000 in a Web account.
            7. During the Clinton Administration, Congress passed and Clinton signed into Law that anybody convicted of Domestic violence can not own a firearm. When one acquires a firearm in Florida they are asked if they have been convicted of Domestic violence. also have to sign a paper when they acquire a CCW permit of whether they have ever been convicted of Domestic violence. If t is true as claimed that Zimmerman has been collected of Domestic violence then Zimmerman is guilty of Perjury and it is a Federal Law and Zimmerman is in violation of it and its consequences.

            The above are facts and the Law. They are the Public record and the responsibilities of anybody with a CCW permit. Nobody is questioning your service as a Firefighter . What I question is when people defend Zimmerman when the above facts are in operation. I especially question it when somebody claims they have 20 years experience in shooting incidents and tries to defend Zimmerman in light of the above. by saying they have 20 years of experience and try to use it to show credence to their”Opinions”. in light of the above.

          • JFB

            My position is not to believe the press about anything printed or reported , i am not defending anyone, i was in fact saying anyone that takes info off the new’s or net and believes they can tell what happened, has not had the history experience that i have seen over the years, or what happens on the site, i do not pretend to understand what took place that day or night, I was a CCW holder for 20+ years and have decided that the cost or the hassle of rules that apply to CCW holders.is tainted…. i open carry now and will do that forever. no question about what my status is,or my intent is, no more comments to me would be appreciated on the matter, of who is to blame, as i do no know or who is at fault in the matter, i do regret that there was a loss of life with a young person, My experience with sites, is no truths on media or net !!! I have been shot at on the scene, i have been jumped at the scene , of sites i have had “good luck” with all, i do not pretend to have the answers to any scene….way to many variables to consider into reasons why, or actions of others, with their thinking for intent of actions taken.

          • http://HO W

            Huh? I have no listened to the Press on it. I live in Florida about 150 mILes from Sandford so it is hard to turn on the local news without mention of it.Who cares about their reports?A CCW permit holder is no allowed to display their weapon at all unless their life or the life of somebody else is in danger. This includes just showing you have a weapon in a threatening manner for whatever reason. This situation did not exist while ZImmerman was driving in his car. It did not exist at anytime with Martin until Zimmerman exited his car and followed him. Zinmmerman did not call 911 until he was following him. This is the height of Stupidity / There is no way that Zimmerman could have known whether he belonged there and there is no way to know if he had friends nearby etc. Why get out of your car and expose yourself?.I have listed all the facts and the laws regarding CCW. It makes no difference whether or not yopu are anybody else feels they are tainted. I understand that States such as Georgia are considering or have passed open carry. I also consider that very stupid and any reputable publication etc will state the same thing. The first person to be taken out is the person seen with the gun. If I walk into a place that is being held up such as a store etc with a gun on my hip then I lose the element of surprise and will probably be shot immediately.Some people such as ZImmerman and people who think this open carry is great should not be allowed to carry a gun. They show a lack of common sense.The only thing I am not sure of is the report that Zimmerman was convicted of Domestic Abuse. If this was the case then he committed perjury on his application as a person convicted of ity is not allowed to own a gun by Federal Law. The Fact rthat Zinmmerman has lied at least twice whis is fact and may have committed Perjury makes it very difficult to understand why anybody would defend him unless they are also ignorant and have no common sense and that only inculdes the above and not other facts.

  • JFB

    Yep you are correct if iam carrying a gun open, i will be the first target, guess that will let all know what is going on, I watch everyone iam around all the time.. do you think that a robber would get the first shot off at me, when iam in a store, nope he will be to busy trying to get the money form the register, his only concern is the money, Not only that if you brandish a ccw gun to someone that has pulled a knife, he sees the gun then calls 911 and tells them you have a concealed gun, the officer that comes then finds out you are a ccw permit holder, you will lose your permit and poss be fined , spend a night in jail and the robber the entire time is saying he never had a knife Good luck buddy with the ccw you are bound by law the mugger is not…..

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