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Stand And Be Groped

November 26, 2010 by  

Stand And Be Groped

The increasingly thuggish behavior by the Transportation Security Administration is part of a government plan to gain greater control over Americans by limiting their ability to travel freely.

This has become increasingly obvious in light of an announcement by Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano that naked body scanners and sexual assault enhanced pat-downs will soon be used on people looking to use mass transit, trains and ships for travel.

We’ve already reported on efforts by the President Barack Obama Administration and others in government to control where Americans live. Those reports can be found here and here. But the statement by Napolitano that, “I think the tighter we get on aviation, we have to also be thinking now about going on to mass transit or to trains or maritime. So, what do we need to be doing to strengthen our protections there?” coupled with her recent statement that those who don’t want to submit to the unConstitutional peep show/grope fest “don’t have to fly” reveal her intentions.

Soon TSA goons will force those who use subways, trains or ships to submit to their will. If not, well, you don’t have to get across town to work, go visit your Mom or take a vacation. The totalitarian regime will be much happier if you just stay home where they can use their mobile scanners to peer through your walls. That’s an easier way to keep an eye on you anyway.

Representative Ron Paul (R-Texas) is predicting that Americans will eventually boycott the airlines to put an end to the groping or irradiation by the naked body scanners.

Appearing on the Alex Jones radio program, Paul said, “If we tolerate this there’s something wrong with us.” He also said that if the American people refuse to resist this sort of government intrusion they deserve to be demeaned and humiliated.

Don’t buy into the lie that Homeland Security is “protecting us from terrorists.” Big government plays that card every time they want to bend the American people to their will. Remember that in the run-up to the last several elections, and just before they want to tighten their grip on the people, those in power issued vague warnings about an increased possibility of a terrorist strike. A recent example is when the TSA switched from back-of-the-hand searches to enhanced pat-downs, justifying the switch because “explosives” were found on cargo planes. Despite all the warnings, heightened alerts and increased scrutiny, no terrorists have yet been located. But Americans seemingly don’t notice these incongruities, so government will keep using the terrorism lie as long as the sheeple continue to fall for it.

TSA Director John Pistole continues to cite the underwear bomber as an example of the type of terrorism the tighter procedures will thwart. But, as we’ve reported, Umar Forouk Abdulmutallab was a patsy put on the plane by government intelligence forces in order to expedite the installation of these scanners and line the pockets of former George W. Bush DHS Secretary Michael Chertoff and his and other corporations.

The resistance began after a lone pilot stood up, choosing to go home rather than be irradiated or sexually assaulted. Since then more and more Americans have refused to submit and more and more stories of TSA abuse are coming to light.

If the TSA continues to amass power at its current rate, Americans will no longer be able to leave their homes without first being strip-searched by a government official.

Editors Note: If you have an example of TSA abuse you’d like to share, or have recorded video or audio of an encounter with TSA, please send it to freedomwatch@personalliberty.com We will use your submissions and guarantee to protect your privacy. –Bob

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • http://yahoo.com Kenny

    How come those idiots that work for the gov. don’t have to go thru this kind of scrutiny?? I guess the same reason they don’t have to buy into obama’s health scare scheme….because they work for HIM!!!

    • FreedomFighter

      Had enough of the Progressive/Socialist liberal commies yet?

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • JC

        Yep! Long time ago.

      • http://Yahoo Sandy Archer

        Well…Everyone it looks like the terrorists have accomplished their mission without even exploding a bomb. This is a form of terrorism and we the tax payers foot this expensive invasion of our bodies. Another detriment to our economy!!! I will not be flying or taking a train any time soon so I guess the next step will incur body searches if we cross state lines in our own personal vehicles. Illegals get in but we can’t get out unless we are subjected to body searches!! I am sad for this Country.

  • RPS

    HR6416 has been introduced to deal with this problem. For those of you who are opposed to the unnecessary and invasive groping of passengers seeking only to travel and nothing more, I suggest you write your House Member in Congress and urge his or her support of this bill. It has currently been referred to a committee. I seriously doubt it will pass the House of the 111th Congress and it may have to be reintroduced in the upcoming 112th Congress, but it is important for existing house members to know our feelings!

    • old white guy

      how about we just kill the islamic terrorists.

    • Robert Smith

      Hey folks, it’s FREE TRADE.

      The airlines need to make you feel safe if you choose to fly.

      If you don’t want to be groped DON’T FLY.

      It’s that simple. Flying isn’t a right. It is a business transaction.

      Rent a private plane if you don’t like the airlines. Why “choose” to be groped?

      Rob

      • CHIMPIMP

        How are the airlines “making us feel safe?” Maybe they make you feel safe but anyone with intelligence know that these ALLEGED security measures are an absolute joke. The scanner is easily defeated. The sexual assault by TSA employees does not increase security since they usually pick people that are of no threat.

        Flying is not a privilege or a business transaction. Flying is just another form of transportation. Transportation is a right and has been for centuries.

        Have you ever heard of “Operation Hemorrhage?” It is the terrorists way of spending a few thousand dollars and watching the stupid Americans spend billions in ALLEGED security. They are laughing their heads off at us and every idiot that supports this stupidity.

        The Isrealies are masters of security but yet we refuse to adopt their ways. Instead we deliberately waste billions of dollars in FALSE security.

        • Robert Smith

          From Chimp: “Flying is not a privilege or a business transaction.”

          When did they get socialized? Last I heard they were privately owned. To ticky no washy.

          “Flying is just another form of transportation.”

          That needs to be PAID for. If you don’t pay you don’t get to ride.

          “Transportation is a right and has been for centuries.”

          TRAVEL is a right. Hitching a ride means you gotta follow the rules of the person in business, unless you’ve socialized it (in your dreams).

          Rob

          • HHH

            Robert, I think you are drunk….

      • JC

        So there’s no security, no immigration checks when you use a private plane? Wow! The terrorists will be so delighted to know this.
        What’s your point Robert Smith? That we should just like it or we should have to take drastic measures to avoid it? Wouldn’t that just get us put on a list of people who “must” be subversive for not conforming?
        Your argument is hogwash.

        • Robert Smith

          JC asks: “What’s your point Robert Smith?”

          What? Do you think you are OWED transportation?

          My point is that airlines are in business for themselves. They get to move people who pay them around. If people don’t like to fly, or some part of it, they won’t fly. They will find alternative means.

          If the alleged “security” of the orgamizac group grope of TSI turns people away then if the airlines want to stay in business they had best find another way to secure a flight or people need to accept that maybe or maybe not there might be some evil in the plane with them.

          Or do you want the government to get involved, do background checks, and all the rest of that stuff before you get onto an airplane?

          Rob

          • JC

            I don’t think I’m owed anything. Nor do I think I should be tax raped in order to pay for goon like Nazi security measures in public airports. Seems you’re on a mission to divert attention form just how un American this sort of behaviour really is. Why would you do that?
            Aren’t you concerned as an American that our rights and freedom’s are being destroyed and that we being treated as inventory and sheep?
            Or are you just another Communist?

          • Robert Smith

            From JC: “Seems you’re on a mission to divert attention form just how un American this sort of behaviour really is. ”

            Absolutely false. I think it should stop. But it appears you are so intent upon swift boating that you must demonize rather than actually discuss.

            As far as the law is concerned searches are applied equally to everyone. It sucks. That makes it legal but not right. This search thing is politically correct gone wild and wrong.

            The alternative is to not go on airplanes that have the pat-downs. It’s that simple. Nobody owes you air transportation. Yes on freedom to travel but that travel doesn’t have to be on airplanes.

            In reality we need to restore OUR rights as Americans and focus on those who have proven an intent to do us harm. Profiling would be an excellent start. Closing the borders except for what is in our best interest is another step.

            Rob

      • http://aol Baby

        Mr. Smith..Sorry you feel that way, It’s that kind of thinking that allows the current government to take our constitutional rights away from WE THE PEOPLE!! Sure..Sure Grop me and my 3 year old child that are Americans..Born and Raised right here in the Good Old USA,So we can go to GrandMoms for Thanksgiving!! Amendment 4 – Search and Seizure:The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and be violated,seizures, shall not be Search , and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. So, Mr. Smith, Just where is it that says the Government has the right to Search and Violate any American that wants to Pay to Fly on a Plane?. Now on that note, have you asked yourself who it is that makes big money on the new The X-ray backscatter body scanners? I will tell you..One George Soro’s! The richest Man on earth. The one Name that keeps popping up with Obama’s!. Mr. Soros is the big founder of all far Left groups and has also said he is going to do to American that he has already done in many other Countries, and that is to make us a Socialist Nation!! and he is going it! If WE THE PEOPLE do not stand up to this one creepy man, He will win! But Please don’t take my word for it, Do your own homework on this, They are not even tring to hide it..Why is that?..Because of Americans like you that just say, Hey if you don’t like it..Don’t Fly..What needs to be said is..Look! This is wrong and is against our constitutional rights! and WE THE PEOPLE are NOT going to ALLOW our RIGHTS to be TAKEN AWAY!!! This is America..Land of the free! and our Founding Fathers thought ahead and gave us a free Nation in which to live, and set out our own constitutional rights, So no others could ever take then away..Only way they can take them is for Americans to give them away!..NOT this American Sir!!

        • usmadgirl

          Baby,

          Thank you. Couldn’t have said it better myself!!!

        • Robert Smith

          Question asked: ” Now on that note, have you asked yourself who it is that makes big money on the new The X-ray backscatter body scanners?”

          Yup, one of George Bush’s aids went to work for the manufacturer just after pushing the technology through so it could be used. A clear misuse of his position in public service, but the Bush administration did a lot of that.

          Rob

          • thinking

            Robert, are you saying this person hasn’t a brain and because he worked under Bush administration that Bush is in control? Or are you saying that Bush is still in charge and Obama and his administration are doing what Bush tells them? OK then, have a drink of coolaid.

          • Robert Smith

            I’m saing that the Bush administration allowed approval of the device and the application.

            Also the type of person who was allowed to work for the Bush administration and then work in favor of such an application of technology goes to the root cause of the problems we face today.

            Rob

          • Jack

            Still blaming Geo.Bush sounds like the democrats have nothing new to say. And where did you get your info on the employee of the great Geo. Bush ? you my friend (NOT) are a lier !!

      • jeanelane

        Did you actually read this article? With your eyes open? Your logic will get us nowhere it “they” extend this to all transportation in the name of ‘safety’. When was the last time you felt safe because someone was feeling you up? Give me a break! When was the last time TSA caught a terrorist? When was the first time? If they actually accomplished anything, it would be all over the news justifying this recent uptick in removing our freedom the men and women are dying to protect.

      • Bob

        Hi-You conveniently ignored the possibility of passengers of other modes of public transportation being subjected to the intrusion. Should we still rent a private airplane or a taxi? Why do you prefer this molestation to the most obvious and sensible solution: scrutinize those who would do us harm? Please justify YOUR choice.

        • Robert Smith

          Bob says: “Please justify YOUR choice (to walk away from a plane having a search).”

          If enough people walk away from planes with searches another alternative will have to be found or they will go out of business.

          Slippery slope arguments don’t work. No need to respond to that crap.

          Rob

          • thinking

            Robert, you are so funny! There are many government people that don’t have to be checked. The people that maintain the equipment will not be checked, there is the vip entrance for them. They will just fly the government around on tax dollars and you will have the nakedscan and body grop at the mall, bus, work, …

          • Robert Smith

            And then there is the problem of you and me parking way on the outskirts at Reagan airport (actually National for those of us who don’t want to accept the lobbying to get Reagan’s name on things). Then are the handicapped. THEN are the Congress and other government VIPs closest to the building.

            Rob

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Besides Roberto LIKES being groped by people of the same sex!!! It excites him!!

        • Robert Smith

          Hey Joe, why do you so consistantly lie about what my feelings and thoughts are? Another Swift Boat effort from the extreme reich.

          Sheesh…

          Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Oh, looky, looky roberta has learned a new term, swift boating!!! I’m impressed!!

      • SteveO

        its people like u : Simple minded tards who will stand in line and “take it from the back” by the Gov who are allowing these treasonus activites take place….. You should seriously review the 4th ammendment

        • Robert Smith

          Here you go SteveO: “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

          We do have probable cause to search diaper heads.

          Rob

      • DaveH

        No,it’s not Free Trade, Robert. Only a Liberal could make such a patently false statement. How can anybody have a discussion with a person who just makes up facts on the fly? The airlines have no choice but to scan or grope the passengers. The only choice they have is whether or not to use TSA:
        http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/11/26/1866721/airports-can-opt-out-of-tsa-but.html
        And where do you get that crap about “Flying isn’t a right”? Who said it was? But the Right against illegal search is Guaranteed by the Constitution:
        “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

        • Robert Smith

          DavidH asks: “And where do you get that crap about “Flying isn’t a right”? Who said it was?”

          From Chimp: “Flying is just another form of transportation. Transportation is a right and has been for centuries.”

          Question asked, question answered.

          I agree with what David brought to the forum here: “Right against illegal search is Guaranteed by the Constitution:
          “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

          I’ll bet those are the grounds the ACLU will use to smash TSI’s policy. Isn’t it great to have some organization sticking up for the Constitution!

          Rob

  • Charles

    That two men, one with an explosive in his shoe and the other who got his crotch burnt, has caused so much anxiousness, cost and inconvenience, is tragic. There is a G_d in heaven who is watching and recording all of this, and it will not go on forever. Rev. 11:15. I, along with many, many others, will fight back with `random acts of good will and kindness,` and we will see who wins in the end. We know who the Winner is and will be; it will not be those filled with deception and hate.

    • Jeanne

      The airlines suffered after 9/11 and were finally getting back in the black. I am aware of several people who now have canceled plans to fly to their destinations opting to drive instead. If this becomes a widespread solution airlines will be forced out of business. TSA has clearly stepped out of bounds.

      • kjk

        Yeah and when the airlines go belly up obama will take them over with our money just like GM. Can you see how he is working us? The money GM is now earning will disappear to China or the government but not back to the people who paid, see how a dictator increases his strangle hold? See obama for what he is, a stupid man empowered by people bent on conquering the great free christian nation, the only nation in the way of total Muslim domination. ob thinks he may be a great pick for the muslims after this is accompished , but fails to see how muslims really stand on the black issue, use them any way you can to advance the cause , and when your done using, get rid of them . Say your prayers that our nation can endure ob’s reign , i have doubts,he is in bed with a lot of money and power,IE… soros,reid pelosi,boxer, clinton,corrupt unions and unless we get rid of all of them we will not be able to rebuild.I believe this is what they are banking on, and pray America wakes in time to become the great nation we were.

        • Bleh

          I am not so sure Obama is as stupid as you think. See what he has done? Notice that he is still in power?

          • Johnny Walker

            Just wait… Play the waiting card. Jan 1st will be here soon enough, and then EVERYONE should stuff their Congressmen’s email and voicemail with DEMANDS that they MAKE Obama produce his Birth Cert and collage transcripts, that to do otherwise is to stand for IMPEACHMENT. The fact that he has withheld both is rediculous. The phony copy of the supposed BC on the internet is hogwash, it has been shown that it is NOT a true copy of the type of form that was used during the time of his birth. While the Dem’s were running things in the House, they had the power to squash any uprising about it… Jan 1st is coming up fast… So just wait and barriage them after the 1st. I’m not the only one to think this way, and it’ll be time soon enough.

      • Robert Smith

        From Jeanne: ” If this becomes a widespread solution airlines will be forced out of business.”

        Yup, so what? That’s free enterprise. If they don’t provide the service the way YOU want it then don’t fly. It’s that simple.

        Or do you want the government to come in with MORE rules? I thought those on the right were opposed to that.

        Rob

        • CHIMPIMP

          Having the TSA destroy the airline industry is going to benefit whom???? The TSA is a government agency!!! Did you think that they were a private industry????

          What the American people want is security that works!!!! Not this billion dollar boondoggle!!!

          Sexual assault is NOT the solution unless you are some kind of pervert common sense tells you that it is wrong.

          • Robert Smith

            From CHIMP: “What the American people want is security that works!!!! ”

            I agree. Profiling, and a hundred other things we can learn from Isral. They don’t lose planes, but a lot of busses have gone boom.

            What will you do about that?

            Rob

        • Bob

          It would be free enterprise but it’s not, by definition, because the government is commanding this airline security. Were the airlines be allowed to be free of government intrusion, they would figure out what would be best. See El Al. What’s your answer? Waiting……

          • Robert Smith

            Form Bob: “See El Al. What’s your answer? Waiting……

            Isrial are great at finding threats to planes. We should learn from them.

            However, the lose a lot of busses. How would you fix that?

            Although the short term problem is religious nuts and their suicides we need to solve the root problem I suggest that when someone hurts us we turn the perp’s village into a nice smooth surface to play baseball on.

            THEN maybe the alleged “good” muslums will root out the evil ones.

            BTW, do you think we can get the christians to do the same thing so they don’t kill any more doctors?

            Rob

        • Dan az

          So Robert what then is your take on the muslims not being searched are you of the mind that the terrorist are the children and grandparents?
          Its obvious that you dont fly much, is it that your afraid of heights or is it that you dont want anyone seeing you naked or foundeling your nuts?Either way you look at it all you are here for is to condemn the conservatives for what ever they think because your ilke lost there ways and dont want to admitted that we here are the ones that are right!

          • Robert Smith

            From Dan az: “So Robert what then is your take on the muslims not being searched are you of the mind that the terrorist are the children and grandparents?”

            I think we have enough propable cause to search anyone from over a dozen countries who have actually done or have threatened to do us harm. I’m in favor of profiling.

            Further, little old ladies, children, American citizens, and folks from countries that have not done harm to us should not be bothered.

            Rob

          • Claire

            Robert Smith– Okay you are in favor of profiling. I am not. “Little old ladies??” Since I am the age that I am, I guess I could be categorized as a little old lady, but let me tell you something. with me, age is no barrier. If I set my mind to do something I will do it come hell or high water. The point I am making is that sometimes “little old ladies” have just as much “fire” as a 20-year- old and just as much energy. All I hear from a lot of younger people (especially at work) is “I’m tired.” What the heck will they feel like when they hit my age? Never underestimate “little old ladies.” The old adage—”Where there is a will, there IS a way.”

          • Robert Smith

            Clair is proud to be a little old lady. I’m sure her reasons are valid. My point was that none in America have blown themselves up as part of the war against America. There is no valid reason to include them in searches for stuff that may hurt Americans on airplanes.

            An exception though…. In my experience (I doubt it is universal) the younger folks who work for me are outstanding, enthusiastic, and often go to higher levels than are expected. They’ve learned that if they don’t give me any garbage they are rerspected, appreciated, and if they outgrow where they are in my small corner of the company I don’t hesitate to look around for another place they can continue to grow, inside or outside the company. In a part of an industry that is interdependant upon each other I’ve been around doing this long enough that they get to know each other and have achieved their own small culture of ring knockers. As I approach retirement that is a legacy to be proud of.

            Rob

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Gee Roberto, you mean they’re not like GM and aren’t too big to fail??? How you gonna use that welfare money to go to Hawaii if you can’t fly?? Costs too much more to go by boat!!!

          • Robert Smith

            Someone please let me know when this guy posts something that makes sense.

            All I’ve seen thus far is swift boating and nonsense.

            Rob

    • JC

      Exactly. these same terrorists that the TSA is (supposedly) protecting us from have already won. They’re bringing the American economy to it’s knees and doing so through a tacit partnership with our own government.
      They’ve forced us to stop being Americans…to stop being “Free”.

      • Les

        You have been free since the introduction of the Federal Reserve & the IRS. Every incident so far has been on planes coming to the US. This is all on giant hoax to turn us into a police state. These are the same tactics used in every totalitarian country. “You are either with us or with the Terrorists” sums it all up. Reminds of the days of “America, Love it or leave it”. The Roman Empire didn’t see the end coming either. Right now we are doing everything they did.

        • Les

          I’ll learn to proof read my own stuff one day. Should start out “You haven’t been free..”

        • Robert Smith

          Hey Les, you posted: “Every incident so far has been on planes coming to the US.”

          Ummmm, have you forgotten 911? Those planes started out in Boston.

          BTW, have they started locking the door to the cockpit yet?

          Rob

      • Robert Smith

        Many on the right are actively opposing this from JC: ‘They’ve forced us to stop being Americans…to stop being “Free”.”

        Women won’t be free if the righ gets in. They won’t be able to have their own choices in reproduction.

        Those who want to die with dignaty won’t be able to.

        Those who want a recreational drug besides alcohol are out of luck. All they are doing by criminalizing pot is keeping drug lords rich, putting young people in jail, and keeping the alcohol loby well paid.

        Guys line Bob Barr oppose freedom of religion.

        Right…. it’s wrong.

        Rob

        • CHIMPIMP

          Murdering unborn children is not a right or a form of freedom.

          The word is “dignity” not dignaty. What is dignaty????

        • Vicki

          Robert Smith writes:
          “Women won’t be free if the righ gets in. They won’t be able to have their own choices in reproduction.”

          What of the baby’s choice?

          Why should the most innocent among us suffer the most significant penalty?

          I only have to suffer for ~9 months. The child would suffer for eternity.

        • JC

          You can’t back up one wortd of that comment with a fact from anywhere Mr. Smith. You’re an idiot and a liar.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          robert,
          after seeing a post about you getting a divorce, I think I understand why you are so adamant about abortions!!! It seems to be the only thing you have any passion about!!! Yeah, I think I understand now!!!

          • Robert Smith

            Hey Joe, there ain’t no post about a divorce. Why do you keep making stuff up?

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Gee Roberta,
            you don’t read the posts to you?? Sook young even saw it as well!!! Yup,I understand now!!!

    • old white guy

      goodwill and kindness. no. i have not read in my Bible that we should commit suicide.Christ said turn the other cheek not bend over and be screwed. it is past time that those responsible for islamic terror are held to account.

      • Robert Smith

        From old: “i have not read in my Bible that we should commit suicide.”

        So? You don’t have to. Others may want to and they don’t follow YOUR bible.

        Who are YOU to get involved in such a personal decision for another?

        Rob

        • old white guy

          someone who would like to live a little longer and not have my life cut off by some ahole islamic suicide bomber wanting his 72 virgins.

          • Robert Smith

            Pay attention, old…

            Assisted suicide is death with dignaty in Origon where they voted on it TWICE and then won a court decision against Ashcroft and his nut squad who tried to thwart an ELECTION BY THE PEOPLE to allow it.

            I wasn’t posting about an islamic nut case suicide bomber in that context.

            Sheesh, are you so willing to demonize that you just plane don’t read what I post?

            Rob

  • JC

    The Land of the Free and the Home of people willing to put up with being groped, poked, prodded, irradiated, innoculated, robbed and told that it’s “good for you”, and actually believe it.
    What happened to America?
    Oh yeah! Government Education, Main Stream Media, and One World Liberals and Republicans…happened to America.
    Refuse Radiation and Groping from brain dead “public servant” (thugs).
    I’d love to hear a story of someone shattering someones jaw for touching his johnson…
    That would be an American story. :)

    • old white guy

      the word you are looking for is, stupid.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      JC,
      You forgot the land of the inspected, infected, injected, and the tagged, bagged, fragged, and shagged!!!

      • JC

        You’re right Joe.
        The list of indignities and injustices committed against the American people by the Feds is probably a lot longer than the Declaration of Independence or the Bill of Rights.
        But we’re turning that around, slowly but surely.

  • Proud to be a Christian

    I am thinking seriously of opening burka stores at every airline terminal since they cannot be scanned nor patted down only head and neck. I wonder what would happen if everybody, man woman and child appeared to fly in a burka. We could even just rent them and pick them up on the other side of the wackos!!!

  • http://ByGeorge By George

    Fighting Evil, by George

    The cultural dominance imposed upon us by the liberal left over the past half century has finally come down to the specifics we can all see. In a frenzy of panic after the 9/11 attack by Islamic terrorists, the Bush administration opened the door to our oppression by talking the congress into passing the Patriot Act without realizing that the law of unintended consequences would soon pass that very act into the hands of the socialist/progressive Democrat party’s political machine that would, quicker then they thought, take over the reigns of political power.

    The Patriot act in the hands of Obama (may peace be upon him) and operated by Homeland Security through its TSA, has now become the opening gambit of permanently installing the dictator state. The 4th amendment of the Constitution protects us against unreasonable search and seizure and is ignored ”for the safety of the traveling public.” Like sheep being herded into the shearing pens we are forced through the electro-magnetic devices to see if we are really guilty of being a threat to the State, all without probable cause, without search warrants supported by oath or affirmation specifying the place to be searched and the illegal items sought. No, we are all automatically presumed guilty having been conditioned for the past fifty years into acceptance of the states authority. Even little children are suspect and not exempt from “random” strip searches. But not muslims because their religion forbids it. Too, that would be profiling and profiling is politically incorrect. It simply wouldn’t do in a free society, would it?

    Because of the TSA’s decision to treat all Americans as presumed guilty before getting on their airplanes, then all Americans should insist on observing their Constitutional rights before passing through the odious machinery and excesses of the TSA goons. A coterie of conservative, constitutional lawyers, opposite to those happy ACLU types whose goal is to subvert the Constitution, should be on hand at all TSA served airports to advise travelers of their rights should they be singled out for special examination. Every confrontation with the Gestapo like TSA screeners should be video taped and immediately law suits should be filed in State or Federal courts on behalf of the abused traveler. Just do it!

    Obama’s (may peace be upon him) soothing words, that it is all for the best, are designed to sooth us into compliance. We have conditioned ourselves to think that in order to get to grandmothers house at the holiday, it’s easier to simply comply and give up our 4th amendment rights then to resist and insist on the proper application of law. That is the danger we face and if enough travelers are stupid enough not to see those perils, then the State will have triumphed, the Constitution be damned. We will easily have morphed from a Republic into a Dictatorship and not even recognize the change. The government will, from that point on, do what ever it thinks is best “for the people” which translates to: it will do what is best for the government.

    Why does a traveling American have to prove he or she is not a terrorist? That is the question. It is simply because the liberal state cannot function without everyone being on the same level: obedient, subservient and compliant. The Left holds Americans in contempt and the root of their logic is the firm belief that the affairs of free man can best be managed only by them. The rise of the independent TEA Party’s in America’ hinterland, championed by such notables as Sarah Palin, are pushing our attention to address the important questions of who governs whom. The Left cannot abide people like Sarah Palin because she questions the very premise of their existence and makes the rest of us look at that too. The Left is alarmed by the threats to their dominance. Freedom is the goal, the Constitution is the way. Go get ‘em! (22 Nov 2010).

    • http://none sean moor

      SARA PALINS!!!! beware of wolves in sheep clothing

    • old white guy

      i think the state needs to be cut down.

    • Dan az

      Thanks By George
      Even the libs an progs couldnt spin that as much as they would like to, but the facts are clear and its time to let them know exactly how we stand.Thanks Again!

    • http://?? Joe H.

      George,
      One can only hope that Nobama is one of the 21 virgins some muslim that gets kill get in his reward!!!

  • JC

    By George says:
    November 26, 2010 at 8:16 am

    “Why does a traveling American have to prove he or she is not a terrorist? That is the question. It is simply because the liberal state cannot function without everyone being on the same level: obedient, subservient and compliant.”

    Exactly right George. Subservient, compliant….controlled.
    So much for the Land of Liberty. Maybe we should return that big Statue in New York back to the French. We’re not using it anymore.

    • Vicki

      Someone good with statistics should do the math for us and calculate the risk of being blown up by a terrorist in an airplane vs a bunch of other risks. I bet being hit by lightning is a higher risk.

      • Robert Smith

        Hi Vicki,

        You can go to: http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/01/the_comparative.html

        It is an interesting discussion of risk assessment in America. Warning: You won’t like the part about firearms. I know I didn’t.

        Rob

        • Vicki

          Thanks. :) And he mentions 2 solutions to reducing murders. As we know from multiple sources his second solution would be FAR more effective then his first and have WAY fewer side effects.

          • Robert Smith

            And sadly folks don’t recognize that the end stages of depression are death. We really need to get folks who have problems into health care. Sadly even when the financial side is taken care of there are still stigmas that keep people from getting help, so they put a bullet into their heads.

            Rob

  • Norm

    Nearly two-thirds of those surveyed in an ABC News/Washington Post poll said they supported the Transportation Security Administration’s use of full-body X-ray scans. But support for the “aggressive” pat-downs was more tepid — just under half of those polled said they were “justified.”
    Most of us remember the good old day when there was no security and life was good. Those days are gone and will never return. Get used to it and stop whining.
    If you’ve ever had a prostate exam, a breast exam or pap smear, or any of many unpleasant intrusive experiences, this is a piece of cake.
    Do it, live with it and get on with your flight. At least at 35,000 ft. you can have some peace of mind that you’ll make your destination in one piece.
    For the die hard “anti everything” crowd, I suggest a train or bus. Stay the hell out of my way please!

    • Mike Austin,TX

      You can bend over when boarding a plane. We choose not to. Once they take over all of your rights, don’t complain to us. You lack of foresight is dissapointing as is your respect for individual freedom and liberty.

    • JC

      Norm says:
      “Most of us remember the good old day when there was no security and life was good. Those days are gone and will never return. Get used to it and stop whining.”

      You Arrogant Stupid Liberal Communist Jerk!
      Get over it?
      NO! No way! This is a fight for the very survival of America.
      And there will be some people who pay and pay dearly for what they’ve tried to do to our country and I sincerely hope you’re one of them.

      • Robert Smith

        Hey JC, look at who is watching out for the Constitution in this one: http://www.aclu.org/technology-and-liberty/aclu-reports-more-900-complaints-month-over-enhanced-tsa-security-measures?tab=press

        Maybe you might send them a few bucks to help out.

        Rob

        • JC

          The ACLU can pound sand.
          The will of We The People will out work and outlast those Pseudo Ameicans.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            AMEN Brother!!!

          • Robert Smith

            From JC: “The ACLU can pound sand.”

            Even when they are sticking up for what you believe in.

            Oh well… Looks to me like another true believer who doesn’t want to be confused with the reality.

            Rob

      • Norm

        JC
        It was Bush that declared war. The least you can do is support the effort.
        I’d call you a few names, but frankly it’s not worth the trouble.

        • JC

          I see. So you’re suggesting I should support what should be considered an illegal, opportunistic and imperial war because “Bush declared it”?
          You really are a myopic idiot.
          There, now I’ve called you a name. The previous post was merely a correct labelling of a pro-sheep, pro-government advocate…and it was entirely accurate.

          • Norm

            JC
            I hope you’re athletic, because you sure lost out in the brain department.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Norm,
            I see evidence of JC’s brain each and every time he posts here. If, on the other hand you have a brain, you better give it back cause it isn’t yours!!!

    • Carlucci

      Norm, you must be kidding. This isn’t about “safety” at all. Especially since the porno scanners can’t see anything hidden in body cavities. It is all about Big Brother and control. They want to demean the American public because the feds hate America and the American people. Actions always speak louder than words, and everything they do screams their hatred of us. We are nothing but unwashed peasantry to them. If it really was about safety, there would be common sense approaches like bomb sniffing dogs, and PROFILING. They do this at airports in Israel and could care less about being politically correct. And how do these tactics of gate rape and porno scanning work against bombs hidden in cargo? Those are the real threats. Remember Pan Am Flight 103 that exploded over Lockerbie, Scotland in 1988? A bomb was planted in a radio or tape recorder that was placed in cargo. LIBYA – ARAB TERRORISTS FROM THE MIDDLE EAST took credit for it.

      • mark

        Controlled Doses of Radiation can kill as many people they see fit. Forget about the terroists.

    • booker

      THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A REAL ACCOUNT OF A REAL HIJACKER IN U.S. HISTORY,SHOE BOBMER= PLANTED,UNDER WEAR BOMBER – PLANTED,CIA RUN AL QUDIA- PLANTED.

      • old white guy

        booker none of the crap they had would blow the door off a doll houae.

        • Robert Smith

          Don’t tell that to the folks at Lockerby Scotland.

    • kjk

      Yeah and in Israel they do fine without ob’s nazi’s! get ur head out of the sand !ob is slowly taking our country to police state,if you don’t want your freedom, go to china or russia! It’s people like you who give this devil his control , pass the burka ppplllleeeeaaassseee!

    • smithington

      A person who gives up liberty for security, deserves neither!!!

    • independant thinker

      “If you’ve ever had a prostate exam, a breast exam or pap smear,”

      All optional personal health issues having NOTHING to do with our freedom to move about the country.

      • Robert Smith

        Hey independant, you can still move around, you just don’t need to chooose an airplane. I’ll bet you would gripe to the high heavens if the TOLD YOU that you must fly.

        Flying isn’t a “right.” It’s a business transaction between you and the airline.

        Sheesh… There are rights and then there are the wrongs.

        Rob

        • independant thinker

          “Sheesh… There are rights and then there are the wrongs.”

          Correct and the wrong is the current invasive unconstitutional attempts of airline security. If I were forced to fly somewhere I would feel less safe with the scans and groping now in place than with absolutely no airline security. The solution is not to let the criminal groping and scans continue but rather to follow the Israli model plus explosive sniffing dogs.

          • Robert Smith

            From independant: “The solution is not to let the criminal groping and scans continue but rather to follow the Israli model plus explosive sniffing dogs.”

            That is “a” solution. But for the short term the most obvious solution to get rexsults is to NOT go to the airport. When it hurts them in the pocket book they will figure it out.

            Rob

        • http://?? Joe H.

          roberto,
          you mean you wouldn’t complain at all if they told you you COULDN’T fly??? Or would you say it was a violation of your RIGHTS???

          • Robert Smith

            No Joe, you’ve gotten it wrong again: “you mean you wouldn’t complain at all if they told you you COULDN’T fly??? Or would you say it was a violation of your RIGHTS???”

            If I was told I couldn’t fly without cause that would be a violation.

            But I don’t HAVE to fly if I don’t want to be searched.

            BTW, if TSW finds a bag of pot on a person who wants to fly do you think the person should be arrested?

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Roberto,
            If it is illegal then yes! This is still a nation of laws. if you don’t like the law then do something to change the law!!! If you don’t, then quit yer bitchin!!!

          • Robert Smith

            Really! And if someone is flying from a state where medical pot is OK? Would you deprive them of their medicine?

            BTW, you posted: “This is still a nation of laws. if you don’t like the law then do something to change the law!!!”

            The laws about pot ARE changing. Medical pot is legal in well over 12 states now. The chanlenges to outright legalize it (similar to alcohol) are now mounting. California as the first one nearly made it.

            BTW, if they make a law to take away your gun will you turn it in if instructed? I kinda don’t think so, so your statement of us being a nation of “laws” I’m optimistic only applies when you want it to. Even if a law might be illegal according to the second ammendment it would still be a law.

            BTW, the law says abortion is legal.

            You know, I suspect that you don’t really like the laws here in America. Maybe you might consider someplace else.

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            roberto
            first, as you say, my right to own a gun is God given and further the constitution says the federal government shall make no law abridging that right. That has been further up held by the supreme court.
            As far as the pot issue if all 50 states ok it then free travel to and from home with it will be ok. Till then I suggest that you and yours avoid the states that it is still illegal in! don’t forget though, the federal government controlls the air ways not the states so you also have to get them to legalize it as well. That is not protected in the constitution either!!
            As far as the abortion issuewell over half of the population are against it! All it will take is for the supremes to change their minds about it and it will no longer be legal! Like I said, if you don’t like a law do something to get it changed or quitcher bithcin!!!

          • Robert Smith

            Hey Joe,

            You say: “…my right to own a gun is God given”

            My right to smoke pot is Goddess given. It grows naturally with no help from man, it doesn’t harm me in the long term (except for arguibly extreme long term heavy use), and it’s been used for over 3,000 years with only the last hundred or so being interfeared with by abusive “laws” from man. Some even use it as a sacrament, like alcohol.

            I’m saddened that you don’t understand about another God or Goddess, but the fact is that if there can be one there can be many. It’s a shame yours demands that HE be the only one. You don’t know what you are missing.

            “and further the constitution says the federal government shall make no law abridging that right.”

            Same thing for religion. It appears you have put your religion above the law in the United States of America. That’s unAmerican in my humble opinion.

            “That has been further up held by the supreme court.”

            So have religious issues.

            “As far as the pot issue if all 50 states ok it then free travel to and from home with it will be ok.”

            Hmmmmm, sounds like gun control. It’s such a mess. How’s ’bout you can carry where you want and those who want to can smoke pot where they want? After all, don’t you think it’s right that their rights be respected too? Why not set an example and encourage freedom, even though you may not participate in it?

            “don’t forget though, the federal government controlls the air ways not the states”

            Wouldn’t you like to carry your gun on a plane?

            “As far as the abortion issuewell over half of the population are against it!”

            False.

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            roberta,
            show me the passage in the constitution that specifically mentions pot??? besides, I think time will tell you I have never been against medical pot only recreational pot!!! you would be better served to spend your time not trying to argue with me about something that I have not been against!!! You should really try to use your brain for something more than something to keep a light from shining through your skull!

        • JC

          And at what point Robert Smith, does the State have any right whatsoever to get involved in our freedom of movement?
          After all, it’s as you say a private transaction between individuals and the Airlines. So where do the Brain Dead Nazi’s fit in?

          • Robert Smith

            From JC who asks: “And at what point Robert Smith, does the State have any right whatsoever to get involved in our freedom of movement?”

            At the same point they are allowed to get involved in the Black Panthers or any other group that may be a threat to the United States.

            Rob

          • Robert Smith

            Oh goody, may I predict that someone is gonna try to make Obama guilty by association with the Black panthers? He isn’t, but I’m sure the facts don’t make any difference.

            And if they do I’ll come up with more details about how the Bush family, both daddy and son, were in business with the bin Laden family.

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Roberta,
            I’m not gonna blame Nobama, but why didn’t the government step in when the new black panthers were trying to intimidate the elderly at a polling station which is against federal law?? Then when enough people started raising hell, and they DID step in, why did the government stop any procedings against the perps that were seen on camera standing there intimidating the people???

          • Robert Smith

            Posted: “why did the government stop any procedings against the perps that were seen on camera standing there intimidating the people?”

            Is there an example of that somewhere? I’d like to see it myself to see if there really is “intimidation.”

            Rob

    • Centurion

      “For the die hard “anti everything” crowd, I suggest a train or bus”

      Well Norm, apparently you haven’t been paying attention! DHS has indicated that they intend to use the same methods for trains and ships. As for buses, they have already begun the same screening procedures for use on private buses. The alpha site for this is the Tampa bus terminal.

      I wonder exactly what they are looking for since the federal courts have recently affirmed that private citizens can carry loaded firearms on AmTrack. So, if I, as a CCW permit holder may carry a concealed and loaded handgun on the train, exactly what are they looking for with the scanner and pat down? I guess they will see the gun and spare magazines, ignore them and look for my nail clippers.

      They just keep chipping away at our freedom. Small incremental erosion is hardly noticed by most people. The most dangerous thing in our airports today is our government.

      The airport through which I travel most is in the Commonwealth of Virginia. The TSA “aggressive pat down” is clearly defined in Virginia law as “Aggravated Sexual Battery.” If I am ever subjected to it, I will warn the screener that any contact with my buttocks, perineum, scrotum or penis, even through clothing, is unwelcome and illegal and that if it occurs, I will use reasonable force to defend myself and effect his or her arrest.

      Neither the Patriot Act nor TSA policy has the ability to preempt or supersede Virginia law regarding sexual assault and unlawful detention. In Virginia, only Law Enforcement Officers or Corrections Officers may conduct such unwelcome searches, and then only with specific probable cause. TSA screeners are not Law Enforcement Officers nor Corrections Officers as defined by federal or state law, nor does blanket or random screening meet the test of probable cause. Intimidation while in uniform (under color of authority), threats of not making your flight, civil fines and detention for unreasonable searches further worsen the charges.

      As for the scanners, that’s a real interesting problem in Virginia. Not only is it illegal for TSA to take a photograph or image of another person that reveals nudity, it is a further crime to transmit such a photo to any other person electronically (such as to the TSA person behind the curtain) and yet a further crime to use any type of computer in the transmission or viewing of such a photograph or image. In fact, it is even a crime in Virginia for you to allow them to take the image of you! By submitting to the scanner, you are intentionally conspiring with the TSA screeners to commit a crime for which you and they could be prosecuted. For the screener to attempt to intimidate you to submit to the illegal image screener with threats of a sexual assault is a further felony.

      TSA should not be tolerated in its violation of the 4 & 10th Amendments and state laws.

      I am not “anti-everything.” As a former law enforcement officer who participated in the highest levels of dignitary protection details, I know that the enhanced TSA procedures are worthless intrusions into our rights. I support the use of metal detectors and carry-on screening by X-ray. I also support in-depth observation and profiling with “enhanced” screening once reasonable suspicion or probable cause has been established.

      Fly through London sometime and you may notice that as you approach the security area or ticketing counter, a polite young person will engage you in a casual but official conversation. They are trained to detect deception and nervousness. Show signs of either and you get a private and more detailed interview. Fail that and you get a more invasive screening after establishing reasonable suspicion. It isn’t random. Everyone gets the polite interview and only those that bring suspicion upon themselves and those for whom warrants exist get the kind of procedures to which TSA seeks to subject all of us.

      Taking off shoes and patting “packages” is a smoke screen for poor security and increased government intrusion. They are slowly trying to move the window of what our polite society will tolerate until one day we wake up and have to ask permission to live.

      • http://none Mike

        Centurion, Good job Sir.I pointed these same things out in the assult on our second amendment rights in a past reply to an article. These people are just takeing the first steps twords totalantarinisism. If they were suddenly to implement all they have plans to do we would rebel in a heart beat. They must impliment this slowly to avoid wakeing too many of us at once. I see this comming. Eventually we will all have to have a soviet style travel pass to go on any form of transportation. All the while they will enact the cap and trade laws to make haveing our own transportation too costly to maintain. Once this is done we will have some form of false flag attack or outbreak.They at this point shut down all forms of public transportation. This would make it a very short step to martial law
        . Conspericy or truth we need to decide now before we no longer have that choice.Mike L.

      • Robert Smith

        From centurion: “As for buses, they have already begun the same screening procedures for use on private buses. ”

        Really… Aren’t the airlines private businesses owned by stockholders?

        BTW, in Isrial they haven’t lost any planes but they have had a very large number of busses blown up.

        What would you do about that? Profiling just doesn’t work very well for that.

        Rob

        • http://?? Joe H.

          roberta,
          how would you know that when they haven’t tried it here?? In the middle east most all look very much alike. A person from UAE would look very much like a person from Pakistan. hyere a person from pakistan isn’t going to look like a person from mexico! A person from UAE doesn’t look like an A Native American!!!!

          • Robert Smith

            So Joe, what would you do to make busses secure?

            Rob

    • old white guy

      don’t really care about individual freedom do ya norm.

    • usmadgirl

      Norm,

      How naive can you possibly be? We CHOOSE to have prostate & breast exams & pap smears for our health. We shouldn’t be forced to have prostate & breast exams, pap smears & X-RAYS to board a plane!

      People have become no more than cattle being herded through the gates that this administration wants us to go through by THEIR idiotic, power-enforcing rules. If you’re actually too naive to see this, then you have a problem, because YOU are NOT one of them & you’ll be herded around like everyone else! If that’s acceptable to you, have at it, but I’m going to fight for my “certain unalienable rights”!

      This has absolutely NOTHING to do with PROTECTING us! It’s just more cattle rustling! This administration has proven that they have NO REGARD for the WILL OF THE PEOPLE. They’re trying to put rings in all our noses so we can be lead around with no resistance. What do you not understand about this?

      All of this inconvenience & invasion of privacy is a result of one so-called “religious” nutjob who tried to blow off his “twinkie”! How did he think he’d handle his 72 “virgins” with it blown off! Shows you just how smart these evil people truly are!

      And how CONVENIENT that those who pose the biggest threat, those in Muslim garb, can’t be searched because it’s AGAINST THEIR RELIGION! Well, it’s against MY RELIGION to be groped & have pornographic photos taken of me against my will! If they want to do that, they’re gonna have to pay me exorbitant amounts of money!

      • Robert Smith

        From usmadgirl: ” If they want to do that, they’re gonna have to pay me exorbitant amounts of money!”

        I see your price is negotiable. Isn’t that prostitution?

        BTW, do you think it should be illegal for consenting adults?

        Rob

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Roberto
          just because you are in……favor of male prostitution, don’t project on others!!!

    • Dan az

      So Norm how do you know that just under your seat in the cargo hold that there isnt a bomb ready to go off?Did the last one that came from overseas get checked? Do you feel safer when they only check americans rather than islamist or are you to pc to think that it was the grannies that are the threat? When do you wake up and see that all of your rights as a citizen have and are being striped away every day?You progs Lost Get Over It before its to late and your standing behind the fences wondering how it all happened.Because I can guarantee that there will be know one going to save you.

  • Mike Austin,TX

    How does traveling by plane, boat or train give the Gov’t the right to search anyone? Airlines are publicly owned companies. They are no more dangerous than vehicles. They don’t search us when we get in our cars in the morning. Airlines will need to push back or accept the responsibility for privatizing security like several airports have already done. Make noise and do not worry about being respectful to any legislator that represents you. They do not seem to listen when talked to politely. Demand and be forceful.

    • Les

      The same right the IRS has to seize everything you own when they think you have cheated on your taxes. To my knowledge no laws have been passed that allow any of these actions. But that has never stopped any action the federal government deems applicable. Time to move to the mountains an wait for marshal law to be declared. It’s coming….

    • Norm

      Mike Austin,TX

      None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free.
      - Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe
      We feel free when we escape – even if it be but from the frying pan into the fire.
      - Eric Hoffer

      • Mike Austin,TX

        Norm,
        I feel sorry for you. Why do you get up in the morning?
        None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free.
        - Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe

        The difference is we know we are no longer free. That is what we are trying to remedy. Will it take time? Yes, but that is no excuse to give up what is yours and not fight for it.

      • smithington

        “Those who go to bed with itchy butt, wake up with stinky fingers”

      • smithington

        If you get hurt and miss work, it won’t hurt to miss work

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Man who have no brain miss nothing!!

          • Claire

            “Man cannot live on bread alone, he need peanut butter.”

      • Robert Smith

        Speaking of Eric HOffer, how many true believers do you see around here? No amount of evidence will convince any of them that Obama was born in anyplace but where they fictionalize.

        Rob

        • Dan az

          Robert
          That will be your mistake not ours!You voted for an imposter and He will be impeached along with the rest of them for bring this nation down to their level of gutter.What will you say then?That we where right?I dought that, You will just blame Bush or Reagan like always!

          • Dan az

            By the way Robert it may be sooner than later.
            U.S. Supreme Court confers on Obama eligibility
            Is president a ‘natural-born citizen’ as Constitution requires?
            November 23, 2010
            9:45 pm Eastern
            WASHINGTON – Is this the case that will break the presidential eligibility question wide open?

            The Supreme Court conferred today on whether arguments should be heard on the merits of Kerchner v. Obama, a case challenging whether President Barack Obama is qualified to serve as president because he may not be a “natural-born citizen” as required by Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution.

            The last official report said Obama has spent $1.6 million in legal fees [keeping his papers secret], and the total is probably over $2 million now. You don’t spend that kind of money unless there’s something to hide, and I believe the reason he’s hiding this is because he was not born in the United States.”

            Unlike other eligibility cases that have reached the Supreme Court, Kerchner vs. Obama focuses on the “Vattel theory,” which argues that the writers of the Constitution believed the term “natural-born citizen” to mean a person born in the United States to parents who were both American citizens.

            If any court hears the merits of the case, Apuzzo says it will mark the “death knell” for Obama’s legitimacy.

            “Given my research of what a natural-born citizen is, he cannot be a natural-born citizen so it’s a death knell to his legitimacy. What happens on a practical level, how our political institutions would work that out, is something else,” Apuzzo told WND.
            Mario Apuzzo
            Apuzzo observed it is “undisputed fact” that Obama’s father was a British subject.

          • Robert Smith

            Hi Dan,

            Ain’t gonna happen this round.

            Rob

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Mike,
      Please don’t give them ideas about cars!!! They probably just haven’t thought about that yet!

      • Robert Smith

        Actually Tom Clancy had a airplane fly into the Capital as a plot point making Jack Ryan president.

        Gonna blame Tom Clancy for the diaper heads flying into buildings?

        Rob

  • Nikita63

    We as a nation have been going downhill since the Vetnam War but over the past three or four Presidential administrations, there has been a concerted effort to limit or eradicate civil liberties and the right of the people to choose what is best for themselves and their families. This latest outrage should be agitated against and attacked, boycotted and/or ignored until these policies are ended. The Tea Party only exists because it is necessary. The leftist statists in the Obamna crowwd of thugs are the worst we have ever experienced and Obama himself should be thoroughly investigated by the incoming 112th Congress and, if the criteria for the holding of his office are found not to have been met, he NEEDS to be removed and possibly tried for treason as well, He is not only a terrible president; weak and indecisive in all things except his collossally arrogant personality, He is a domestic threat BECAUSE of the position and the power he, in my opinion, fraudulently holds. If he
    is found unnacceptable because of legal disqualification, all those connected with him should also be investigated and dealt with in a summary fashion as well, if found guilty. Their overall performance since taking office has been outrageously oppressive and of a conspiratory nature. We need to take action to eliminate these policies and these politicians from positions of power for the sake of our national identity and our national security, BOTH of which are
    at geat risk.

    • old white guy

      ya all been going downhill for about 100 years.

      • Robert Smith

        old says: “ya all been going downhill for about 100 years.”

        Yup, and in that 100 years we’ve seen “reefer madness” to restrict freedoms and start a war on Americans, oops I guess you call it drugs, but it is PEOPLE who are arrested.

        We’ve seen endless anti-abortion legislation. Do you know how it got started originally? Women were dying because the old herbal ways were lost and doctors and midwives started doing “surgery” without washing their hands. The AMA wanted to secure its position so they made it illegal for anyone but a Dr. to perform an abortion. It was originally pure greed.

        Oh! And the rhetoric against gays has gotten so pumped up. Can you find any records of gays killed out of bigotry and hate? Lately Mathew Sheppard isn’t alone.

        Ro

        • http://?? Joe H.

          roberto,
          Then tell them to use the only birth control that truly works, an aspirin………………held firmly between the knees!!!

          • Robert Smith

            Joe claims that a pill between the knees is excellent birth control. Ahhhh yes, the old “abstinance” methold. We all know how that worked for Palin’s kid, didn’t it. The daughter of the queen of conservative apparently couldn’t make it work in her own family. What right does anyone have to impose it upon another?

            BTW, I’ve met people who use their personalities very efective birth control. I think of them as being in the shallow end of the gene pool.

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Roberto,
            if that is true then you must be in the dry end!!!! You have no personality your METHOD doesn’t work either!!

  • Bobber

    This type of thing will not end until we the people decide that we have had enough arrogance from government officials and government employees. We started on the right path a few weeks ago, but we have a long way to go. Even if we get conservatives in office, we have to strip them of the power they now have and bring them back down to what politicians are supposed to be – public servants.

  • Willie

    In light of all our liberties being trampled upon I started wondering how Hitler took control and convinced the German people to support all the atrocities. In my reading it became very apparent that the same techniques are being used today on the American people. Slowly, Hitler used the media to convince the German public that what he was doing was for the good of the motherland. The German propaganda machine then is exactly what the “politically correct” crowd is today in America. If you disagree with the “newspeak”, then you are the villain, un-American, racist, homophobic or intolerant. The corruption of morals is exactly what the authorities are after and again, if you display any outrage, you are the bad guy and unpatriotic. The patriot act, TSA, government intrusions of all kind are only there to protect you. But who is going to protect from the government? If the American sheeple don’t stand up soon, it will too late; maybe already is! The government’s current plan to destroy the dollar and wreck havoc on the economy is just the last piece of the puzzle. When Hitler came to power Germany was in hyper-inflation and the people were starving. Time and time again Hitler was quoted as saying “the people will gladly give up liberty for sausage.” Maybe its just me, but I see the USA going down the same road and like the German people will become aware after its too late.

    • old white guy

      plus gun control had been in effect in germany before hitler took power.if people can’t defend themselves from the government then they are slaves.

    • Robert Smith

      From Willie: “The government’s current plan to destroy the dollar and wreck havoc on the economy is just the last piece of the puzzle.”

      I’ll bet they (whoever that mysterious they is) gave George Bush a medal for taking a budget surplus from Clinton and running America farther into debt than ever before.

      Rob

      • Bleh

        There was no Budget Surplus under Clinton that is pure Myth, Smoke and Mirrors.
        The long and short of it: the National Debt continued to rise every year of his Administration, thus No real surplus.
        National Debt aside, he borrowed from Trust Funds in order to claim what he did. When you borrow it must be paid back.

        Read this for a more complete analysis:
        http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/16

        • Robert Smith

          The key phrase in that article is: “While not defending the increase of the federal debt under President Bush,…”

          Looks like Bush was too dumb to figure out how the smoke and mirrors worked.

          Rob

      • Dan az

        Did you notice that the same old lies just keep coming up kinda like acid reflux.Well Roberta where did the monies come from? It wasnt the SS money that he borrowed was it?Smoke and mirrors is even wrong its a blatant robbery!Oh yea Bush again huh? Next I expect it will be Reagans turn!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        roberto,
        you gonna answer Bleh on those FACTS????

        • Robert Smith

          Ain’t “facts” Joe. I looked at the article and it’s just anotehr right wing screed.

          Anyhow, it was the same numbers from the GAO that were used to count the $$$ for both Bush and Clinton. It really was a budget surplus.

          Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            roberta,
            when you have a total of one dollar you can’t pay a dollar here and a dollar there!! He took the monies slated for the social security payments and used them both places! It just doesn’t work! check it out there are about a dozen sites saying there wasn’t including GAO!!!

          • Robert Smith

            Somehow I doubt you can come up with anything from GAO.

            Oh well, another unsupported claim from the right.

            Rob

          • Bleh

            You are confused Robert. You have not read the article. It is explained in depth why there was no surplus and can all be verrified by the US treasury website.
            Because you feel it is Right Wing is irrelevant. The numbers speak for themselves regardless of you political persuasion.

            I do not remember exactly but it has been a long time since this country has had a surplus and it certainly was not under Clinton, see the US Treasury website and simply follow the National Debt..

          • Robert Smith

            Hey Bleh,

            You can find out how it really works at the Government Accounting Office (GAO)

            Check i tout here: http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d04485sp.pdf

            There is a particularly interesting graph in the reoport that shows where Clinton was and how Bush sent things way below the line into debt.

            Rob

    • mark

      The lines of people in the airport, mirror the lines to the cattle cars in germany on there way to the camps.
      What bothers me about the the Xray machines is just how these dam machines are maintained, and the exact dosage used on the sheep that are going thru them. YOU NEVER KNOW HOW HARD YOUR BEING ZAPPED DO YOU!!!!!!!!!! Talk about long term health care problems….. lolol
      They can Kill us very slowly and who are you going to complain to…

  • Gayle

    I rarely fly, but reading about tsa and the way people are handled puts me off even more. Jay Leno even commented it looked like a cattle yard or something to that effect. I care about safety, but when the very people that threaten our freedom get a free pass it sickens and scares me. We as Americans should remember that first and tell tsa it is against all things we hold dear. I have also read where experts have said its useless. We are financing our own demise. Homeland security wants to put these at every airline, buses, trains,ships. Why not the borders? Is our own government telling us that they have let the terrorist move into middle America? A president who treats us with such disregard and them tells us its for our own good. Give me a break.

  • H Stan Boring, PHC, USN, (Ret.)

    Ben Franklin said, “Those who give up Liberty for Security will soon have neither Liberty nor Security.” Old Ben must be spinning in his grave like a dervish! I was against the creation of “Homeland Security” from the beginning. There is something Germanic in the very name “homeland”. America is our home, and our land, but the two together does not sound right. We did not and do not need a NATIONAL POLICE FORCE, but that is where we are headed.

    Chief Boring

    • JC

      Stan your comparison is exactly appropriate.
      Homeland Security was created in response to 911.
      The Waffen SS was created in response to the Reichstag Fire.
      As far as I’m concerned both were false flag operations
      and both achieved the same results.

      • booker

        100 % CORRECT,TOO MANY FALSE FLAGS,GULF OF TON-KIN,THE COLE,THE 9-11 ATTACKS,THE 7/7 ATTACKS,THE FAKE SHOE BOMBER,THE FAKE UNDER WEAR BOMBER,ALL FALSE FLAGS BEYOND ANY REASONABLE DOUBT.

      • Robert Smith

        Where did TSA come from?: “and signed into law by President George W. Bush on November 19, 2001.”

        At least we know who started TSA and who to blame. He should have vetoed that legislation.

        Rob

        • http://?? Joe H.

          roberto
          Then why didn’t your hero Nobama shut them down when he came abord??? He has that right and he had a super majority when he first got elected!!! He likes it even more than your personal whipping boy Bush did!!

          • Robert Smith

            Actually Joe there is more than one way to skin a cat. Let’s see what Obama actually did last year. This is from: http://www.securitymagazine.com/CDA/Articles/SEC_Newswire/BNP_GUID_9-5-2006_A_10000000000000595946

            “President Obama’s budget proposal includes ill-advised and disappointing reductions in funding for crucial physical security programs, Security Industry Association (SIA) officials said on Monday.

            Obama’s fiscal year 2010 budget would cut hundreds of millions of dollars from transit, port and school security programs and provide them with much less money than the amount authorized by Congress or recommended in recent legislation. Obama seeks to reduce funding for both the Transit Security Grant Program and the Port Security Grant Program from the current $388.6 million each to $250 million each for the fiscal year that begins Oct. 1. Congress authorized $900 million for the transit program and $400 million for the port program for fiscal 2010.”

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Roberta,
            answer my question as asked why didn’t he do away with it?? your favorite whipping boy didn’t have a super majority when it was passed. Perhaps he and his cronies, the dem party WANT it there!!! Maybe the cuts to it were just smoke and mirrors???

          • Robert Smith

            Joe asks: “answer my question as asked why didn’t he do away with it??”

            Because the Republican party of NO would fillibuster and wouldn’t let him.

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            roberta,
            Kinda hard for the repubs to stop ANYTHING by themselves when the dems have a super majority!!! Problem was the dems didn’t want it removed!! they like it just fine, MORE CONTROL OVER THE CITIZENS!!!!

    • Robert Smith

      H Stan says: ” We did not and do not need a NATIONAL POLICE FORCE, but that is where we are headed.”

      FBI, DEA, Park Police…

      How many more do you need to be convinced it is already here?

      Rob

    • Robert Smith

      Hey Chief!

      Ahhhhh, A School in Pensacola. The Blue Angels were flying Phantoms then. Had a few weeks before class started. Got shot out of the MB simulator, dumped in the dilbert dunker, and spent some time with Wayno in survival school. Yup, those were the daze. A hurricain and horse meat in the mess hall once just so we could try it out. Neither was really fun.

      Ever get stationed at the Naval Physicactric Center (NPC) across from St. Elizibith’s home of John Hinkley? Spent many a night just off the quarter deck on duty. Ever hear of George Washington on the third floor in Still Color?

      Ever get to shoot at the range next to the President’s ‘copters? Got some work done on several pieces at the armery there.

      Rob

  • Carlucci

    Resistance is patriotic. Of course the lame stream media reported that everyone capitulated and submitted to gate rape and the scanners during the season’s busiest travel time. But check this out: http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/984.html

    So the underwear bomber was a patsy? That comes as no surprise to me.
    Typical govt. m.o.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      I agree with Brasscheck 100%. If you can stop flying do so!!

  • richard handwerk

    i agree with all except the underwear bomber being a plant. i suppose they might have let him board for their own purposes. it’s possible.

    • booker

      HE WAS A PLANT,THE HASKELL’S HAD WITNESSED THE WHOLE ACCOUNT,MR HASKELL A ATTORNEY AND HIS WIFE WITNESSED THE WHOLE ACT,A WELL DRESSED MAN BROUGHT THE MAN TO THE COUNTER,STATED WE DO THIS ALL THE TIME,APPROVAL TO BOARD.MR HASKELL WAS INTERVIEWED ON MAINSTREAM MEDIA,BUT TWO DAYS LATER,THE SUBJECT WAS CHANGED.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        booker,
        I’m supposed to believe these Haskells that a man would willingly fry his pecker and testicles for no real reason???? would YOU???

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Booker,
          an answer please!!!

          • Robert Smith

            You got an answer, apparently you didn’t like it, Joe.

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            roberta frack,
            this is a typical example of why you really shouldn’t try to think without the proper equipment!!! He didn’t answer ME at all!! course I bet you knew that, you just couldn’t make the connection!!!

  • richard handwerk

    the hypocrisy comes to light with even the discussion of allowing muslim women to be exempt from scanning/pat downs.

    i would imagine that if they refuse and opt for a private pat down, once inside they will be exempt in any case. (w/no one the wiser).

  • Hopedreams

    You know, while intrusive pat downs and naked scanners are really painful for us to endure;…all our whining and bad-mouthing of the government will turn into shell-shocked SILENCE if we have another 9/11 styled attack, which we would be ill-prepared for. We have been forced into this type of crazy scanning techniques because of the world in which we live. Get used to it, no-where is free from danger anymore! And, the more technologically advanced we become, so will our crimes. Thus, just allow our governments to do what they need to do to protect us. Trust me, we do NOT need another 9/11 styled multiplied by 10 attack. And guess what folks, it could happen again. America’s enemies are watching us, and are hoping that our government will remove ALL security (at our request) so they can wipe out our country. Don’t be fooled. We have real enemies.
    And for those of you who feel they (TSA) should only target certain racial types for screening, my advise here is DON’T be FOOLS!! Criminals and terrosits come in ALL races, genders, age-groups, disabilities, nationalities, colors and religions. You had better believe it and come to our senses. If we should go BACKWARDS in our technological advancements, then we might be able to curtail some crimes and terrorism. But, what is the possibility of that?

    • booker

      REMENBER THE SO CALLED 9-11 ATTACTS ARE FALSE FLAG OPERATIONS,CIA RAN AL QUIDA FOR 12 YEARS,THEY STARTED THE NAME AL QUIDA.TIM OSMANN = OSAMA PAY CAME DIRECTLY FROM THE CIA.

      • Robert Smith

        Wasn’t that during the years Bush Sr. was head of the CIA followed by him being VP and then President? And then Jr. took over…

        Seems to me there is a trend.

        Rob

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Gee Roberta,
          I guess you will accept anything as fact as long as it’s against Bush won’t you??

          • Robert Smith

            Are you denying that head of the CIA thing and all those years son and father were President?

            Rob

    • Gaffer

      Hopedreams said “You know, while intrusive pat downs and naked scanners are really painful for us to endure;…all our whining and bad-mouthing of the government will turn into shell-shocked SILENCE if we have another 9/11 styled attack,”

      Hopedreams is correct. read his entire post. Read it again.
      Do you whiners really believe that all government politicos (Clinton, Bush, Obama) are future Mussolinis? Get real!

      Best Regards,
      The Gaffer

      • TRUTH

        THEY ARE,DO SOME FACT CHECKING THE NEW WORLD ORDER BABY.

    • Carlucci

      Oh, please Hopedreams!!! Wake up and smell the coffee. The federal government is not your friend and they could care less about you, your family, or your “safety”. If we have “enemies” it is because of U.S. imperialism – invading other countries to meddle in their business and steal whatever the U.S. federal govt. can from the country and citizenry. The feds have a euphemism for it called “wars” or “occupation”. And the people in the middle east do not “hate our freedoms” as is so often quoted by the lame stream media and other useful idiots who parrot the same falsehoods. If this was really true, why didn’t terrorism start long ago when airplanes were invented? There is no “effect” without “cause”. Dr. Ron Paul is right. The people in the middle east just want to be left alone. Terrorism is a way for them to fight back and try to stop U.S. imperialism. It is as simple as that.

      Then you have the CIA planting dictators and operatives in governments and ultimately turning against them when they are no longer useful (Shah of Iran, Saddam Hussein, Lee Harvey Oswald, etc.)

      911 was a total set up and people who believe that are not all crazy. Now scientists and architects are jumping on board the 911 investigation bandwagon because they don’t believe the “official” story either. I just saw a documentary on this on Nat Geo or the History Channel.

    • Bleh

      If you believe the 9/11 story then why let Muslims pass through unhindered? You can not believe in the 9/11 story and rightfully let anyone through unhindered. Doing so makes no one safer than they were pre-9/11.
      If you do not believe the 9/11 story then why put up with this at all? Not believing in 9/11 gives you no grounds at all to support these security checks that have uncovered Zero terrorists.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Bleh,
        One explaination for that could very well be that we have a muslim in the presidency!!

        • Robert Smith

          Hey Joe,

          Why don’t you check out: James R. Bath, Salem bin Laden (Osama’s older brother) and Arabusto (that means “Bush” in Spanish).

          You might get some insights into what shrub was doing during his hitch with the Texas Air National Guard.

          There are some very deep roots between the Bushes (both of ‘em) and the bin Laden family.

          Quite frankly I find that much more serious than false alligations about a muslum president.

          Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            roberta frack,
            False?? Prove that beyond a reasonable doubt, and just because he said he’s a christian isn’t proof!!

          • Robert Smith

            “Prove that beyond a reasonable doubt, and just because he said he’s a christian isn’t proof!!”

            And when you say the President is a muslum it’s a lie.

            Rob

    • old white guy

      another 911 attack should prove that all muslims should be removed from the u.s. these followers of islam are just plain evil. there is no such thing as a moderate muslim. any such animal would be considered an apostate and worthy of death like the rest of we infidels.

      • Robert Smith

        Hey old white guy may I try a little paraphrasing here? Sure, why not, I’ll go ahead anyhow. Sometimes it’s just too easy, old. Let’s watch…

        You posted: “another 911 attack should prove that all muslims should be removed from the u.s. these followers of islam are just plain evil. there is no such thing as a moderate muslim. any such animal would be considered an apostate and worthy of death like the rest of we infidels.”

        Now lets try a few little changes shall we?

        Another clinic attack should prove that all anti-abortion christians should be removed from the U.S. These followers of extreme right wing christanity are just plain evil. There is no such thing as a moderate anti-abortion christian. Any such animal would be considered an apostate and worthy of death like the rest of we infidels. Remember the inquisition!

        Rob

    • Claire

      The pilots of those planes that crashed into the twin towers on 9/11 went to pilot training school in Florida. I assume they did not exhibit any suspicious behavior or the instructors would have reported them?? Sometimes people will keep their mouths shut just in order to make a fast buck. I am inclined to think we have enough crazies here in the U.S. that are capable of doing plenty of harm. Not only do we have foreign enemies to be concerned about, we have to be concerned about what is going on in America, judging by some of the behavior. There is so much hatred out there at this time that the crazies are apt to do anything. We do need to wake up and keep a watchful eye on our surroundings. I am not being paranoid, but the old adage–”keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer” sounds appropriate.

      • libertytrain

        Claire, I’m hazy but vaguely remember that the schools were suspicious and did inquiries with the gov agencies but didn’t get anywhere. I may be wrong in what I am remembering but there was a question raised by someone -

      • JC

        The owner of the flight school in Arizona where the 911 pilot of Pentagon fame went, said he couldn’t fly a Cessna…at all.
        Let alone a 737 into a 4 story building with pin point precision.

      • Robert Smith

        Claire says: ” I am inclined to think we have enough crazies here in the U.S. that are capable of doing plenty of harm.”

        Timothy McVeigh McVeigh was raised Roman Catholic

        Eric Robert Rudolph who called himself a Roman Catholic

        Let’s see now… What was that about profiling muslums?

        Rob

        • Claire

          Robert Smith– There should be NO profiling. Each and every person that boards a plane should be checked out. Muslims or not. Besides, if I were working for TSA, Muslims would NOT get a “free pass” they would have to be scanned or whatever just like everyone else. Just because they wear the over the top type of clothing (that could hide a multitude of sins) and headgear would not stop me from checking them out. They would have to take the headgear off and be groped/scanned just like everyone else. If they refused, then they would NOT board the plane. Anyone that refused would not be allowed on the plane. I have never flown in my life nor will I. But if I did, I would want to know some security measures were taken. It is a matter of finding a solution to this stupid problem. This problem is like everything else, it makes no difference what is done, no one is satisfied with anything. If they were, they wouldn’t have anything to bitch about.

    • Dan az

      Hope and Dreams that about says it all dosent it? You are aware of the thousands of illegals crossing our borders arent you? What makes you think they will use a plane? I just wounder when a dirty nuke goes off in your town, who will you blame the republicans? Get your sh%t together man and start using your brain the next time something happens it will be called terrorism and the next after that.Each time you see a bomb go off just think of which islamic nation did it,rather than let them take a few more rights from us.Do you feel safe walking in the malls?Soon you will not be able to enter a building with out being strip searched.Will that make you safer, not likely.The threat here is that all islamist want you dead read the quran!

      • Robert Smith

        Hey Dan, you are correct: “The threat here is that all islamist want you dead read the quran!”

        And where do anti-abortion bombers and shooters get their inspiration?

        Religious extremism is bad wherever it is. Christians in America need to show that they don’t support such animals, just as muslums around the world need to demonstrate that those who strike at us are also evil.

        It isn’t technology or weapons alone that will bet us beyond this time in history.

        Rob

        • Dan az

          Robert
          this isnt the first time you started with the bombing and shooting crap what is it with that?Did you work in one of those places or was it that you lost someone there?I dont see the conservative christens doing anything like that only the wacko’s that need attention.So answer me this what happened that makes you so concerned?

          • Robert Smith

            Dan asks: “So answer me this what happened that makes you so concerned?”

            I realized that the extreme right in America was doing a lot of hate mongering against other religions. It is not just Islam but see what guys like Barr and Fallwell did to Pagans. Check out what has been said even about christians who are pro-choice. Catholics for a free choice were even proclaimed not to be christians at all.

            I’m simply reflecting and showing what the extreme right is doing.

            Please stop attributing personal motivation as if something happened in my life. It didn’t. Although I do find myself trying to figure out where such hate comes from the extreme right even in such a minor issue of pot or what consenting adults the don’t even know do in a bedroom.

            Rob

  • barbm

    we need another operation wetback which allowed us, under eisenhower’s orders, to deport 1.3 million hispanics back in the 1950s so that returning soldiers could find jobs. we can no longer racially profile, so we should require everybody within our borders to show papers proving they are u.s. citizens if stopped for any reason by the police. don’t want to provide papers? don’t break any laws to get yourself stopped. i have no problem with doing that. if they can prove they have american born children, they can have the choice of either taking them back with them by giving up their american citizenship status (no dual citizenship that might later give them the right to come back and sponsor the rest of their families), or leave them here to be reared by americans. only a few illegals filled out the census, so there’s no telling how many are here. then we need to put armed troops along the border every few feet with orders to shoot anything moving north or, in the case of canada, south. we should do it in the name of terrorism. if they can legally require x-rays or searches in the name of terrorism getting on planes and soon on every other mode of transportation, it should be legal for the border too.

    • Robert Smith

      Hey barbm… Can you explain to me why Bush wasn’t impeached under Section 8 USC 1324[a](1)(A)[iv][b](iii)?

      After all, Obama inherited the problem from the last administration.

      Rob

      • http://?? Joe H.

        And he’s doing even less about the problem PERCENTAGE WISE!!!

        • Robert Smith

          Really! But why didn’t you climb all over Bush when an early response would have been proper?

          Seems to me you are trying to dump on Obama and not see the reality of Bush setting things up the way they are today.

          Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            roberta,
            wrong thing to say! People here know I was calling everyday, Emailing and raising hell right here telling people to call their reps. i have been against illegal immigration for decades!!

          • Robert Smith

            Then it is even more telling that you didn’t demand the impeachment of Bush. You were aware but you cheer going after Obama but gave Bush a pass.

            Let’s see how is that spelled… Hippocrit? not quite right so I’ll look it up.

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            roberta frack,
            yup I cheer for the impeachment of Nobummer, but not just for his lack of enforcement of immigration law. I cheer it for his fighting against it! I cheer it for his total disregard for american citizen’s rights! I cheer it for the fact that he said that if ill winds blow, he will come down on the side of the muslims! not the Americans, mind you, the muslims!! If you don’t like it that I cheer it on, bud, you can kiss my azz!!!

          • Robert Smith

            Posted: ” I cheer it for the fact that he said that if ill winds blow, he will come down on the side of the muslims! ”

            That requires a quote and citation.

            Right now it clearly appears to be a lie.

            Rob

  • TRUTH

    PROFILING IS THE ONLY WAY TO STOP THIS CRAP,WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK ALL POLICE,FBI,CIA,IRS CONDUCT THIER INVESTIGATIONS,POLITICALLY CORRECTNESS IS KILLING THIS COUNTRY,WHY SHAKE DOWN A THREE YEAR OLD WITH BLUE EYES,BLOND HAIR,WHEN WE ALL KNOW WHAT WE SHOULD LOOKING FOR.

  • Claire

    My daughter and her husband flew out from the Bloomington, Illinois airport the weekend before Thanksgiving to go to Florida. They were not scanned and were not groped. Nothing. I find this interesting so I thought I would pass this info on to all of you. Apparently they are not doing anything at small airports? They are leaving tomorrow to fly back to Illinois. My daughter has opted for the scanner and my son-in-law said he is going to opt for the groping.

    • libertytrain

      Claire – they are not in all airports, yet.

      • Claire

        libertytrain–My daughter just called, they are back in Decatur. When they left Tampa, all they had to do was take off their shoes, and she had to put her purse through the scanner. Nothing else happened. No scanner, no groping. The way I look at it, if they do use scanners or groping, then no one should be excluded. Picking and choosing who will be scanned or groped is not the correct way to do things. No exceptions. Any person is capable of looking the “honest type” and yet be the terrorist/bomber wannabe. Regardless of what happens, no one will be satisfied. If they don’t use scanners or groping then people will bitch about “nothing” being done. It is a no-win situation.

        • Robert Smith

          Claire says: ” It is a no-win situation.”

          Nawwwww, they get to blame it on Obama even though Bush started it.

          Rob

        • libertytrain

          I guess I feel it would be wiser to be checking the cargo rather than me. But that’s just me. I still also feel we should be researching more about what the Israeli’s have done over the years and try that angle since anything we have to date hasn’t really accomplished what they want anyway until they get to a total strip search and body cavity search and since, I’m pulled aside for a once over and the men aren’t or my daughter – blue-eyed blonde army major is groped and checked over and the men are not….go figure – it’s bogus to me.

  • Yvan

    What is wrong with you people on this blog? Can’t you see were the problem is. USA is full of Waco’s. White, green, purple, orange, you name it. An airplane full of white people is as dangerous as a mix race one. Isn’t Timothy rings a bell to you. Flying these days is for the birds. Authority doesn’t know what to do to stop the suicidal morons. Give me a better solution if you are so smart, even profiling wont work.

    • old white guy

      solution. no muslims are allowed to fly in or out of the u.s.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Sounds real good to me!!!

      • Robert Smith

        Old says: “no muslims are allowed to fly in or out of the u.s.”

        And what do you suggest we do with home grown terrorists?

        Rob

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Publically HANG them!!! That might be a little deterrant!!

          • Robert Smith

            At least there won’t be much recifidism, as if suicide bombers have that problem.

            I heard of a suicide bomb instructor once saying, “Now lads, pay attention, I’m only going to show you this once.”

            Rob

          • Robert Smith

            BTW, lethal injection is what Timothy got.

            How many do you think have been scared off?

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            If he had been publically hanged where the next one could see his face turn blue, his tongue protrude from his mouth, his feet jerk spasmadically, I wonder how many would follow! It’s easy to know you aren’t gonna feel any pain if you get caught, it’s quite a different thing if they can see what happens to you if you get caught and it is horrible!!

  • http://persoaliberty.com Mike W.

    Profile Profile Profile Profile …… Israil got it rite years ago all this ranting and raveing about who knows best, when was the last time a plane was flown into a building in Israil….. They may have bombs lob in from around their borders but their planes are safe and they don’t take away anyones rite’s but the terrorist . PROFILEING is theway to go if you dont mind being grouped then you proably wont might haveing someone look into your past either ETC… ETC…

  • DANNY

    This country didn’t become great by it’s citizens being a bunch of pussies. It sickens me to see how we have evolved over my 57 years of life. When will we wake up and pay attention to history. No nation has ever survived going down the path that we are going. Since I’m not Obamas golf buddy, I don’t have access to the real truth if there is such a thing but I can put two and two together and most of the time it still comes up to four. It is so obvious what is happening but apparently not all agree either through ignorance, complacency or collusion. Wake up Americans or we will all be like Norm (Sheep)

    • Claire

      Danny—Americans have never been told the “real truth” about anything for years and years. And I certainly do not expect to be told the “truth” at the present time nor in the future. In essence, we have all been “had.” And we will continue to be “had.” I do not trust government, nor any of the politicians. We can elect the people that we think will be best for America, but in reality, will they do any better? Will they actually do what is right for America? Will they actually follow the Constitution or will they keep trying to “skirt” around the issues? Will they take “the bull by the horns” and conduct government issues on the “up and up” or will it be another case of telling Americans what we want to hear?

      • Dan az

        Claire
        We shall soon see!

        • JC

          When in the Course of Human Events, it becomes Necessary…

          Time to declare our independence again. Both as a nation and as individuals.

          • Robert Smith

            Are you hinting at violence JC?

            Rob

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Nice try, Roberto, why don’t you go back to your little government cubicle and tell your handlers that you tried but we didn’t take the bait!!!GTHAFYS!!!!!

  • blv54

    before you can kill the people you have to strip them naked first that way they have no worth and are contemptible, thats how they did it in germany, soon you’ll have to get naked before you can get in wallmart and thats no exaggeration.

  • CHIMPIMP

    TSA = Total Sexual Assault.

    How anyone in their right mind thinks that the sexual assault of innocent passengers is increasing security is beyond comprehension. Spending billions on a Scanner that is ineffective and is only useful for pornography is sheer lunacy. Other than increase the national debt it does nothing. All a terrorist has to do is mold very thin sheets of C4 into their clothes and it would never be detected. There is absolutely nothing that a scanner can do that a well trained bomb sniffing dog and a well trained handler couldn’t do a hundred times better.

    • JC

      Tyrants
      Seeking
      Authority

  • Vicki

    I suggest a truly free market solution. Since airlines can (I am told) opt out of TSA and provide private security I propose 2 flights

    1. TSA security.
    2. Profiling and other steps used by places like Israel

    let the customer decide which they want to be subjected to.

  • http://www.PatrioticChristiansToday.com Chris

    I really think the bomb sniffing dogs are the most effective and are far less invasive!! I would trust the dog’s findings far and above the TSA. I want to know why we are always reactive instead of Pro-active when it comes to our Country’s security?? I believe our military should be directing our security in this country! They are the most aware of what tactics the terrorists are using.
    we do need to stand up for our rights in this country, before they are all gone. The current administration is Hell-bent on ringing our country down! That is all he has accomplished since being in office. Time for him to go, we many not be able to survive 2 more years. In the meantime, we must be diligent in standing up for American and the great legal citizens that live and work to keep our country going. If you are committed to standing strong for America, then join with others who have made that commitment too. http://www.PatrioticChristiansToday.com we now have wristbands being worn in 15 states!!

  • mark

    Yes the cattle cars in Nazi Germany and the lines in the airports are looking the same.
    JUST HOW BIG A DOSE OF RADIATION WE ARE BEING ZAPPED WITH IS COMPLETELY OUT OF OUR CONTROL.
    THIS COULD BE JUST A WAY OF KILLING US SLOWLY FOR THE SAKE OF CONTROLLING THE WHOLE POPULATION… ADD THIS TO YOUR THEORIES.
    HEALTH CARE, LONG TERM CONTROL.

  • Palin12

    Odumbo: “Constitution written 20 centuries ago”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiRhHqlzaG4

  • Mountain Sighde

    FLUORIDE causes people to be complacent/stupid/zonked like on tranquilizers, retarded whatever name fits, the population even with degrees, seem to be slow. Therefore they put up with a man who was born in Kenya not Hawaii, as a leader of the states, and he says he is muslim 30 to 40 times on u tube three months back. And the people stand like sheep, to be groped, or x-rayed. stop flying, period, the whole business would soon straighten out. And ask that FLUORIDE be taken out of public water. It does not stop caries, and never did. It causes cancer of many kinds. It is against the law to put anything into public water as a medicine, such as is being done by all water districts. When your mind is stupid on fluoride, most people do not know enough to ask for it to be stopped. The words on against the law is from Russell Braylock M D Newsmax News… and the Md who said fluoride is the biggest LIE in MEDICAL HISTORY is William Campbell Douglass M D Surgeon.

    • Dan az

      Mountain Sighde
      on the bags of sodium flouride is a warning label that says toxic and has cross bones on it.I have heard that even touching it will kill you!

  • nadzieja batki

    Instead of going after the real terrorists, the American people are being told that we are the terrorists why else the groping and the patting down and the scanners. Next the suggestion will be made that to travel and keep the lines down we can opt out by getting under the skin implants like they have for animals.

  • Pat

    This whole TSA thing is a rude joke, a power grab by Obummer and his associates. If a terrorist wants to do us harm, he can just walk over the unprotected border areas along Canada and Mexico, get his supplies here and take out a building or sports arena killing more people than a 747 load…It also looks like he is trying to crash the airline industry so he can it over like he did GM. Third point: Harry Reid and Pelosi are determined to push through their amnesty program and as many other bills as they can cram in during the lame duck session starting next week. If America is upset and detracted by the TSA mess, they will not realize until later what the lame ducks have done. Another “vote for it now so we can see what’s in it” situation. Fight back against TSA, but watch behind you in DC. Good Lord, how much longer do we have to keep fighting for our country and our rights and our sanity?

    • Dan az

      Pat
      probably in Jan. but if not then in 2012. Sad but true!

    • JC

      They could simply blow up electrical transformers and take down entire grids. People would start dying immediately and the aftermath is civil rioting and lawlessness as people scramble for food and heat.

      And they want you to believe that having your nuts fondled will keep you secure.
      What a a pathetic joke.

  • Norm

    There are two kinds of exposures to think about with regard to airport body scanners that are increasingly used to screen passengers. One is exposure to radiation. They other is just, well, exposure.

    Consumers need not worry about the radiation dose from an airport scanner. The machines produce so little low intensity x-ray radiation that a person would have to undergo 1,000 to 2,000 screens to receive radiation similar to one chest x-ray.

    The machines even appear safe for children and pregnant women, says the author of the piece, Dr. Mahadevappa Mahesh, of Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. However, operators of the equipment should receive safety training to make sure they avoid inadvertent exposure.

    The privacy issue is a bigger concern, Mahesh said. Scanning has been called “a virtual strip search.” But, he said, privacy concerns should be alleviated by having viewing stations at remote locations and ensuring the system cannot save images.

    Personally I think that anyone who finds gritty, grotesque, body images of ordinary people sexual, has some serious problems.

    • Bleh
    • JC

      Scanners should be destroyed.

      • Robert Smith

        More violence advocated by JC.

        Rob

        • Bleh

          In this case the application of violence against the machinery is justified.

        • http://?? Joe H.

          more stupidity displayed by roberta frack!!!

          • Robert Smith

            Ah, I get it!

            A Galactica fan.

            And another example of attempting insults and attacking the messenger rather than dealing with the issues.

            Rob

  • http://com i41

    Remember it is the dickbirds in the beltway that come up with this crap. So the TSA people doing the job, are just following the orders, all dreamed up by the overpaid jackasses in the beltway dream tanks. The jug eared, pistol gripped, purple lipped, muslim moron has never been through a pat down or his big quarter horse roper, since he hasn’t had a male pat down since his 3 gay roommates left. Typical cholate f–k around who has never worked at ajob, play basketball and golf, or suck up white powder up the snotbox. Why wasn’t he planning to get ready to have KimYung Puke settled down or even plan on removing impedements to private businesses. Inside he plays like a 8th grader, fiddle around like a 4th grader, and passes decisions off to his czars. Oh, but he is a elitist, communist marxist moron who beleives in government owning every thing and working for government agencies.

  • AnotherRobert

    From wikipedia

    They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.AMEN BENJAMIN.

    This was written by Franklin, with quotation marks but almost certainly his original thought, sometime shortly before February 17, 1775 as part of his notes for a proposition at the Pennsylvania Assembly, as published in Memoirs of the life and writings of Benjamin Franklin (1818). A variant of this was published as:

  • AnotherRobert
    • Vicki

      Wow. They actually talk about starting up profiling again.

  • Norm

    The Thanksgiving air travel went quite smoothly. Most people accepted the scans as being a good thing overall, although a bit unpleasant.
    The lunatic fringe loses yet again!

  • Merl

    All of this will not stop terrorists merely entertain them. Watching American travelers endure these humiliating procedures is probably like comedy to terrorists. They also get a tremendous sense of victory; especially since Muslim women cannot be fully searched. The only effective methods are profiling and armed airport and sky marshalls. We should follow the Israli and Italian models. This is why terrorists target our planes: we don’t profile, effectively search, nor arm our planes with gun carrying marshalls and Uzis our airports. Instead, we punish innocent people and traumatize our children–not good.

  • Merl

    We need to have Uzi toting guards at our airports and put armed sky marshalls and undercover agents on our planes; so that when terrorists emerge and start killing passengers; the sky police can stop the terrorists. The use of profiling and firepower will discourage terrorists.

  • Merl

    What if some terrorist put a bomb in the lower cavaties? Will all travelers have to bend over and squat? If left unchallenged, authorities could force travellers to strip naked in front of everyone in the airport for a full body search. This is what the terrorists are aiming for.

  • Coray

    High Speed highways would be a simple solution. If we had highways designated to travel up to 150 mph you would no longer need to fly. Most trips could be made in less time than it takes to fly, and the government could stop subsidizing the airline industry. Your taxes pay the air traffic controllers, the flight systems on the ground (which are massive and wildly expensive), the security, and a large portion of the airports. When I used to install some of these systems it was not the airlines paying the bill! So please don’t try to say that the airlines are a “private” industry. If they (airlines) had to pay for all the costs associated with flying not one of them would still be in business.

  • 45caliber

    One interesting (to me anyway) thing I learned the other day. It is against TSA regulations to take photos anywhere inside the terminal. It seems that too many people were taking pictures of what they were doing. Not only is it against the regulations, you can be charged by the police for breaking that “law”.

  • Jack

    I wouldn’t fly on any plane anymore that is controled by Obama in charge ! The damn terrorist aren’t either, you FOOLS, they know they can fly private flights Wake up America !

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