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Special Ops Group To Obama: You Did Not Kill Osama Bin Laden

August 16, 2012 by  

Special Ops Group To Obama: You Did Not Kill Osama Bin Laden
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A special ops group doesn't like President Barack Obama taking credit for Osama bin Laden's death.

A group of former U.S. intelligence and special operation forces operatives is shooting down the notion that President Barack Obama killed Osama bin Laden.

The Special Operations OPSEC Education Fund Inc. launched a campaign criticizing the President for taking credit for bin Laden’s death. The OPSEC group also believes the present Administration has leaked highly confidential information that could put Americans’ lives in jeopardy.

The OPSEC group claims it is not affiliated with any political party. The group’s president is former Navy Seal Scott Taylor. Taylor ran for Congress in Virginia in 2010 as a Republican.

Obama has touted the killing of bin Laden as one of the highlights of his Presidency, but the OPSEC group wants to make sure that his celebration is not without criticism.

The first video by the OPSEC group was released Wednesday, stating: “There is a cost for our leaders grabbing for glory.”

Taylor said: “I believe that a 10-year-old would be able to understand that if you disclose how we got there, how we took down the building, what we did, how many people were there, that it’s going to hinder future operations.”

Bryan Nash

Staff writer Bryan Nash has devoted much of his life to searching for the truth behind the lies that the masses never question. He is currently pursuing a Master's of Divinity and is the author of The Messiah's Misfits, Things Unseen and The Backpack Guide to Surviving the University. He has also been a regular contributor to the magazine Biblical Insights.

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  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    Osama bin Laden’s M-U-R-D-E-R WAS A “LOW-POINT” IN THIS ADMINISTRATION. NO ONE SHOULD WANT CREDIT.

    • eddie47d

      Maybe Mr Horton would have liked Hitler to live a little longer to advance the cause of white supremacy and world domination. OPSEC sounds like a bunch of cry babies who didn’t get their 15 minutes of fame and will continually remind us of that. Now tell me one President that didn’t take credit for a major victorious operation? The Bush’s did and so did Ronnie Reagan. Clinton probably did after the Bosnian War win. Bin Laden was a mastermind and a symbol of evil so good riddance.I don’t like going into foreign countries and killing innocent people but he was hardly innocent so you know where you can stick your “low point” Mr Horton.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “eddie47d,”

        SIR – IMMEDIATELY AFTER 11 SEPTEMBER 2001, THE MEDIA ONLY TALKED ABOUT “Atta AND HIS Boyz” AS BEING THE CULPRITS. SINCE THESE “Boyz” SEEMED TO HAVE HAD A “RAG-TAG” ITINERARY IN THE UNITED STATES [VERMONT-TO-FLORIDA-TO-TEXAS], THERE IS NO LOGICAL REASON TO ASSUME THERE WAS A “MASTERMIND” SPONSORING THEIR ADVENTURE.

        INDEED, IT TOOK THE MEDIA SOME TIME TO ANNOUNCE AND L-A-B-E-L Osama bin Laden AS THE “Boyz’ ” “MASTERMIND.” THAT WAS A LIE! I WILL NEVER BELIEVE Mr. bin Laden HAD GUILT.

    • Alex Frazier

      I don’t get nasty too often … but go **** yourself you unpatriotic boob. That man was responsible for thousands of citizen deaths. If, indeed, he is dead as they claim, it was well deserved. He was a self-proclaimed enemy of the United States.

      Osama Bin Laden sympathizers should be thrown into the river with cement shoes. And that means you.

      • Robert Smith

        Of course they didn’t object when Bush was all-a-dither in his flight suit and “Mission Accomplished.”

        Rob

      • Oneguess

        @Robert Smith: “Rob”, your act is stale. MUST you continually bring up Bush to defend Obamao? Yes, you must. The real question is “Why?” I think we all know why…troll.

      • eddie47d

        Is OneGuess trolling for Bush or Osama Laden?LOL

      • my 2¢ worth

        “MUST you continually bring up Bush to defend Obamao?”..

        Not only him but any other president who took credit for a successful operation, dufe.. If it hadn’t have been for the president’s okay, it would not have gone down.. That Obama was the president that made that decision you should respect it like you and others had when other presidents sent orders to proceed in covert operations. What a total dumb ass you are.. You know nothing about procedure.

    • securityman

      Hey IDIOT, how many of our people was that idiot responsable for killing? But you probably don’t call that murder.

    • Robert Smith

      “The Special Operations OPSEC Education Fund Inc. launched a campaign criticizing the President”

      Guess they will commute to their meetings in Swift Boats.

      Rob

  • Alex Frazier

    I don’t actually believe Bin Laden is dead. They made every effort to conceal the body, and even took the time to destroy it by dumping it in the ocean so that no one could ever check behind them. I think it was a ruse. The people were in need of a distraction. So the White House gave the people a distraction. I suspect we’ll see some suspicious photographs emerge in the future. The government will deny it. There will be conspiracy theory television programs about whether or not we really killed him, etc. He’ll become a sort of Elvis in his dead/not dead celebrity.

    • Robert Smith

      “I don’t actually believe Bin Laden is dead.”

      Actually I heard he’s dating Elvis.

      Rob

      • CaptMark

        Actually, Bin Laden is dating Hanoi Jane Fonda, not Elvis! LOL

    • Cribster

      I think he was dead years before. The way they disposed of the body in such haste just doesn’t pass the smell test.

      Obama’s entire existence is based on deceit, it’s not a stretch to see this as just another ruse. How about that picture of Obama, Hillary and the rest supposedly watching the operation unfold, why show that to the public? To get a visceral reaction from that crew in the room they were probably showing a mock election with the usurper losing.

      • Vic

        How is it that they never showed what was actually on the TV set that Clinton and others were watching. TV probably wasn’t even on.

      • http://norman@cates-family.com Norman F.

        Cribster, I agree with you! I think Ben Laden was killed in the big strike at Tora Bora.

        Even if he was killed by the seal team I also agree that the view of those watching the video was phoney in one respect, I don’t think Obama was there. His position was not in sinc with the others, for these reasons; First he was crouched down in a corner, second it looked like he was dressed differently than the others, third he looked like he was crouched down lining up a putt, and last no one was looking at him.
        There was a long report about the strike that didn’t make the MSM. It contended that Obama and Valerie Jarrett tried to stop it but Panetta pushed it.through.

    • duif100

      The people were in need of a distraction?
      How about: Obama was in need of a distraction?

      • Oneguess

        Obamao IS a distraction. He MUST go…away.

    • SJJolly

      You’d prefer the age-old practice of mounting dead enemys’ heads on spikes atop the palace front gate? (Got rather smelly, I’ve read)

      Actually, a quick burial is per Islamic tradition, even one at sea. (No point in making bin Laden’s death an assault on Islam).

      If the assault on the bin Laden compound had failed, Obama would have gotten the blame. So, since it succeeded, why not the credit?

  • Chester

    Mr. Horton, perhaps you would have preferred a country under Bin Laden’s rule? I am sure you would have enjoyed knocking your head on the pavement five times a day while facing east or running the distinct danger of losing said head.

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “Chester,”

      PEOPLE HAVE NO CONTROL IN REFERENCE TO THE COUNTRY OF THEIR BIRTH. AMERICANS ALWAYS SAY THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IS THE BEST NATION IN THE WORLD BECAUSE WE ARE “FREE.” IF YOU HAVE NEVER LEFT THE UNITED STATES, HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT IS TRUE?

      “Chester,” IN Y-O-U-R MIND, MIDDLE-EASTERN NATIONS ARE BAD – NOT, MINE.

  • Chester

    As far as anyone making the claim that Obama KILLED Bin Laden, that did NOT come from Obama. Was Obama involved in his death? Yes, as it took his signature on more paper than I care to think about just to get authorization to go into that compound, which in many courts of law would make him just as guilty of the death as any of the troops who actually went in. Was he there himself? Hardly, as the Secret Service would have had a whole herd of cows had he even considered being there, but he was most definitely complicit in that death.

    • Robert Smith

      That’s a new one! The extreme right isn’t celebrating the death of a terrorist. But they are trying to disparage Obama through it.

      Wow! That hate runs deep.

      Rob

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Sharon Taylor

        You need to look in the mirror to get a glimpse of what hate really looks like.

      • s c

        Comrade, get this through that concrete head of yours. Obummer HATES a free America. The people of America reserve the RIGHT to ‘like’ or ‘no like’ when it is appropriate to do so.
        Did you get your party-approved fake ID yet so you can skew the results of the election?
        Shove it, comrade.

      • SJJolly

        The Republican hard-right has long been engaged in non-stop mud slinging at Obama, in the hope that some of it will stick. If you’ve been reading these comments for long, you’re aware that he gets called every negative name in the Republican lexicon. I have to suspect that what drives a part of the invective is racism, but the majority is that he’s a Democrat in the Oval Office — Karl Rove-style politics, pure and simple.

      • Opal the Gem

        SJJolly, right or wrong what comes around goes around and visa-versa. There was plenty of mud and muck thrown at Bush by the democrats all during his time in office and in fact it is still being thrown. Ain’t payback hell.

      • Robert Smith

        “Obummer HATES a free America. ”

        Really? Is that why he approves of each woman making her own choices in reproduction rather than being bent over by religious nuts?

        Is that why he supports consenting adults choosing who they marry, rather than religious nuts misquoting scripture to use their holy book to beat people up with?

        Shucks, I think the definition of “freedom” has been corrupted by the extreme right.

        Rob

    • duif100

      Exactly what papers did Obama sign?
      The ones that are sealed with his other records?
      Everything in that guys record is secret except when he want credit.
      I don’t believe that Obama signed anything that can be used to hold him accountable at a later date.
      It is part of his modus operandi.

      • Steve

        You mean like voting present over 90% of the time?

  • Alex

    No one who counts the dispatch of Osama bin Laden as a plus in President Barack Obama’s first term is so silly to actually believe that Obama flew in with the Seals and oversaw the operation.

    What DOES count, and what has obviously been causing so much anxiety for the Right Wing, is that the man deemed most responsible for the events of 911 was located and killed during the Obama Administration.

    President Obama did something that his GOP rival in this year’s election said HE WOULD NOT DO—-cross into Pakistan to mete out justice upon the head of bin Laden. Obviously Obama did not track bin Laden down or fire the gun—but what the TP folks refuse to acknowledge is that had the operation failed with the loss of the Seals you would want your president crucified. No matter that the previous tenants in the White House gave up on bin Laden, claiming in fact that they just “didn’t think about him that much anymore” {!!!}, and, hoping YOU wouldn’t think about him anymore, distracted you by starting a fake war. Now, you will want to say that most Democrats voted in favor of the war also, which is true, but they voted that way because of the premeditation and conscious deception of the Cheneybush Administration. You guys forgive all that!

    Now of course we have the return of the Shift Floaters—disgruntled Reich Wingers who were dishonorably discharged (from the mothers’ wombs, at least) with an axe to gring. They will have no effect on this race as people take another look back at the first lost armada of Swift Boaters–grunts who swore to the authenticity of affidavits describing events they LATER admitted they never witnessed—all to keep a wounded in action Vietnam vet from defeating the draft-dodger who gave up on bin Laden and instead poured 5000 of our kids and a trillion dollars down the sewie hole in Iraq. We have come to expect this type of thing from the frantic Fright Wing—–their is a LOT of profit in war, and those WarProfiteers want Vulture & Voucher to facilitate that…

    Bottom Line: The man in office when Osama bin Laden was killed is President Obama.
    Just as so many of you cheered when the US Marines died trying to rescue the Iranian hostages towards the end of the Carter Presidency, knowing their deaths paved the way for your hero, the greatest deficit spender ever, Ronald reagan to assume office, now you get to rain on success. Pity your blindness….

    • Brad in TX

      I think you mean Clinton let Obama go Alex, you my friend are confused. If it were not the tactics taken by the Bush Cheney administration you would not have seen Bin Laden taken down at all.

    • Brad in TX

      The Iran hostages were rescued in a secret mission constructed and paid fir by another great Texan, by Ross Perot. As you may know by now we don’t take much crap from anyone down here in God’s Country

      • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

        The Iranian hostages came about because of the CIA planting Pahlavi as the leader of Iran, even though the people hated him. That was committed as vengance on America.

      • http://none Charlie

        Brad,,,Ross Perot was playing the Hegelian principle , and it worked , I saw it because of the info I received , but, looking back at the event , most anyone that knows the Hegelian principle can see or figure out what happened …
        Your Texan blow hard brag does not hold water in view of the Waco , massacre , where your honorable gubmint MURDERED about 17 kids with our taxpayer $$$$$… How many gubmint agents involved in that massacre have the Lone Rangers hung ??? of course with 1inch soft Confederate cotton rope… Also if you Texans are so great , let’s see you change the voting system back to Popular vote ,so Ron Paul can be voted in easily…
        Hey Tex! wear your cowboy hat , We think the Texas sun may have overheated you some.
        Do the Texans Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing ? Acts 2:38……….

    • eddie47d

      Brad is the confused person in trying to give Bush/Cheney credit for that one. Give credit where credit is due and leave it at that.

  • jeff08820

    Dead or alive,it doesn’t make a difference.He won.We will pay forever.He accomplished most of his mission.

  • Alex

    NOTE–second to last paragraph, second to last line should read ‘there is’, not ‘their is’

  • Andrew

    What on earth is this web site all about. The video is totally slated in one direction mixing apples and oranges using film footage from WWII when there was no volunteer military. Like it or not the commander of the armed forces of the United States of America is President Obama and he gave the order. He accomplished more to dispatch terrorist leaders than Bush/Chaney. Stick to the facts.

    • eddie47d

      Confusion is their specialty! I have at least one relative and another friend who send me anti-Obama material. I refute each and every one of them and they are always shocked and amazed that they didn’t know the truth. They still won’t vote for Obama but are now sick of the right wing rhetoric and lies also.

  • http://www.cindynel.co.za peter

    Does it really matter who killed him? The point is that there has not been any lesser a threat from these ‘terror mongers’ and all one needs to do is follow the daily reports on the perpetual killings that have become a seriously hideous part of our daily living in order to realize that. Some may be forgiven for thinking that the death of that lunatic solved the problem of organized terror.Perhaps those folks should take their heads out of the sand and face up to reality. Whether Obama pulled the trigger or not has little to do with it and he cannot be construed to be a hero as a result of what happened. In counting it as a major highlight of his presidency simply reinforces the fact that there is nothing else for him to crow about which is what he likes to do best, that is apart from blaming everybody else for anything and everything that is wrong. The biggest problem with this guy is that he is only able to mostly claim misguided credit wherever possible, place blame for failure to effectively manage his mandate and total inability to accept responsibilty for anything whatsoever. Arrogance, narcissism, lack of creativity and foresight all wrapped up in an empty suit is what the USA got. Can anyone do worse? I seriously doubt it.

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      If Osama was killed it was when he became a political liability or killing him he would be a political asset. While was around he spread terror: a physical or psychological act violent in nature committed to gain submission. We submitted to everything Bush threw at us and then Osama. Probably Obama’s PR people decided a dead. or at least not around, Osama would be an asset to him. You know the definition of assume? Making an “ass” out of “u” and “me”. Because we have to assume so much of what DC does, call us asses.

  • http://none ron

    OPSEC is a political hit squad put together by a disgruntled former seal that made a failed bid for political office. You know he certainly cannot afford to put this group together and it makes you wonder just who is financing this political group.
    Below is a statement by the “Republican Defense Secretary” Robert Gates.
    Defense Secretary Robert Gates (Bush’s man) commented on TV that President Obama’s decision to launch a raid against Osama Bin Laden’s compound with ground troops was “one of the most courageous” decisions he has ever seen a president make. Gates added, “Frankly, my heart was in my mouth… There was a lot of uncertainty about whether he was there. This was a very risky operation. So, I was very concerned. So was the President… I worked for a lot of these guys and this is one of the most courageous calls — decisions — that I think I’ve ever seen a president make.”

    • jopa

      ron; Very good post, I see you did your homework.I looked up the same info and you are 100% right on.

  • Norm

    Osama Bin Laden is dead!!
    The deed was done by courageous group of Navy Seals under authorization of Obama.
    The right wing nuts just can’t except it.
    Why don’t you put some of your skepticism on Romney’s income tax returns or his flip-flopping on every major issue facing the country?

    • s c

      Nerml, go outside and play. Better yet, get your rump to the nearest grade school. They have a dose of self-esteem with your name on it. Typical utopian airhead. So, you never learned the difference between except and accept. Predictable. It must be rough trying to find a place in the real world.
      Oh, and don’t forget to buy – or steal – a Volt. Then you be a charter member of the Dolts in Volts Club. When your battery explodes or starts a fire, let us know how you “feel.” Loser.

      • Norm

        You are right I need to read and edit my comments.
        You, however, need to edit your simple-minded paranoid thinking.
        I can’t quite accept your extremist thinking except when I’m forced to consider the source.

      • eddie47d

        SC is always the angry woman who never makes sense!

    • JeffH

      “Romney’s income tax returns” – the latest progressive/liberal conspiracy theory…go figure!

      • eddie47d

        Obama’s BC a typical Conservative /Reich Wing conspiracy theory. Oh how Jeff loves to play mind games! Now if he can find his!

      • JeffH

        eddie the talking Parrot…speaking of lost minds. Unlike you, I can at least look for mine because I have one.

      • deerinwater

        So when do you plan to start looking Jeff?

        Romney is asking for mine and your vote and making bold claims of what a business wizard he is and deserving of the position of President. . So being a voter of reasonable intelligence, I clearly see him as a successful and wealthy person with a long and sorted history much like Benie Maddoff was looked upon at one time, we have ask for records and documents and receive only two years worth while this is a man that can take a two year vacation and still keep the utilities on in three residence and live large.

        I would enjoy knowing more about Mitt climb to such a prestigious position if it is not asking too much. ~ I only have a single vote to offer I admit, but it is mine and he wants it.

        • Voice of Reason

          I could care less about Romney’s tax returns. It a diversion that doesn’t warrant 5 minutes of thought. Romney is very successful. Self-made, I might add (you got to love America). His main source of income is not from “ordinary” W-2 income like us “ham and eggers”. I don’t care! God bless him. He has off-shore accounts. I don’t care. These were set-up by his financial advisors by a trust agreement while at Bain Capital. Financial advisors are paid to preserve their investors money. Good for them. He gives millions to charity’s every year. He gives back for his great fortune. How many of you do?

          Anyway, you could take ALL (100%) of the incomes of everyone who makes over 1 million dollars a year and it wauldn’t make a dent in our National Debt. Does anyone know what a TRILLION dollars looks like? How about 16 of them? One trillion is 1000 billion. There isn’t a 1000 billionaires in the entire World!!! Our National Debt is 16 of these!!! 1% of the income earners in this Country pay 62% of the taxes! 35% pay NO taxes! Why would you envy someone that is providing you with the country you live in for free? It doesn’t make sense.

          Bain capital is a venture capital company that buys, reorganizes, slims down and sells previously failing companies. The company would be out of business regardless of what Bain capital did. These commercials now want us to think that these poor folks were just victims of the capitalist pig, Romney. FALSE! The company was vulnerable because it was FAILING. You don’t disassemble a SUCCESSFUL company! Geez! I feel sorry for those folks that lost their jobs but maybe they should have seen the writing on the wall. Most people know if their company is going down. Be angry with the former owners and Board of Directors that put them in this position in the first place!!!

      • JeffH

        The Jabberwocky says chirp, chirp!

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      Maybe Osama is dead like there’s Mushroom clouds in the sky above DC. As I recall some of the people credited with killng Osama were killed when their helicopter crashed. Maybe those seals went he way Ruby did when he killed Oswald. Where’s Assnge when we need him.

      • eddie47d

        No original members of Seal Team 6 were killed in that helicopter crash who took down Osama. That was only put out as Reich Wing propaganda. You know smear campaign,spreading falsehoods,lying,political propaganda and other assorted ca ca!

      • JeffH

        I see eddie the Parrot is repeating “Reich wing” now…how original…could eddie be emulating his board mentor Alex? NO, he’s just, again, repeating what he’s heard Alex spew time and again.

        eddie, when are you gonna be released from “moderation”???

      • eddie47d

        Jeff needs to pay attention to the Hitler tactics used by those spreading false information to score points . Naw that will never happen!! Still as one sided as always aren’t you Jeffy!

  • Norm

    If Osama was alive, he would be broadcasting his survival to the entire world, exposing this as a hoax!
    As the President said:
    Justice has been done.

    • Mike in MI

      Norm -
      Like hell he would. He would have had any number of “Osama look-alikes” running around – just like Saddam Hussein did. He’d have given one of them up in a second and gone underground to keep the heat off himself. Soon as it was off he’d have stayed under cover somewhere to be freer to run ops in Egypt, Libya, Syria, Gaza and here – or where ever.
      If Bush had wanted to get Osama he could have had him at just about any time. Why he didn’t, who knows? But, after all, the families bin Laden-Bush (through Saudi Arabian connection) have been friends and business associates for decades. Add in the Cheney(Haliburton)/bin Laden international construction link and the web gets even closer.
      Then too, when “Pooti-poo” Putin reassumed power in Russia he nationalized Russia’s oil companies and sold off some of the holdings (of which the Bushes were said to have taken advantage by buying a sizeable chunk). That deal may well have been a game changer in a thousand international diplomatic intrigues.
      So, who knows what sort of madness is in store for the future as economic and international finances go into the mixmaster?
      What I think I see is the world’s forces of evil seem to be losing track of how to best wield their control and exercise their authority to manipulate the courses of events. At some point there will have to be a winnowing of the world’s populations – to reassert controls, without making it too obvious who’s doing what. Drought, war, famine, pestilence and catastrophism are tools they traditionally employ. Problem is the indiscriminate mayhem usually also destroys people they’ve spent years preparing for positions too important to leave open. (Evil is its own worst enemy.)
      On the otherhand, people come out of the woodwork with abilities and leadership that weren’t expected – or wanted.
      It’ll be interesting to watch… or be part of.

      • http://none Charlie

        Mike,, We think you just wrote some “Top Secret” info ,,are you a mad seal ? No big deal…
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38…

  • Sirian

    Has everyone missed the point? It appears so. It’s not strictly focused on OBN, it’s about the security leaks that have been allowed by the WH. Those are so much more devastating than most people realize. And all anyone can argue about is whether OBN is dead? Good God!! Focus on the point of what they’re saying and have the balls to demand!! Get off the other BS about OBN – that just opens up the playground for the libs!!!

  • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

    Has vengance replaced justice in the “In God we trust” country? Look, Osama bin Laden stood, and maybe stands, 6:8 in a part of the world where at 5:10 your tall. He was on dialysis before 9/11. If you tell me he was hiding out all those years, I’ve got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. My opinion is they knew right where he was but kept him around to work for them as a fear factor to be used aganist the American people. Think of what Obama contributed to “the” government. The Patriot Act, DHS, TSA etc. etc. Regardless, in the old America murder is murder and Obama might have been murdered. That’s one for Assange to investigate because DC won’t.

    • Buster the Anatolian

      “Think of what Obama contributed to “the” government. The Patriot Act, DHS, TSA etc. etc.”

      Obama is not responsible for the concept of all those, they started under Bush and was it the Dem. (at that time) Lieberman who originaly authored the un-patriot act. That said obama had plenty of time to repeal the un-patriot act and stop DHS and TSA but did not do so and in fact saw to their continuation and expansion.

    • Mike in MI

      UM-m-m, The Christian American – go rea’ da’ Bible again.
      When I ask God to remind me about where He has said things that bear on the matter at hand this is immediately in my thoughts:
      “Vengeance is mine; I will repay. says the Lord”. (Romans 12:19)

      Why don’t you read what the Bible says rather than believe religious fads and foibles of self-righteous “collared” ones and ungodly clerics out to soft-peddle God’s justice and hard pedal the tricycles of own inglorious unbelief?

      • http://none Charlie

        Woe!,,, Mike ,,,better go get Christian American a cool cup of water because of what the next verse says , Romans 12 :20…. Then you better do what King Jesus said at Matthew 6:9—13… then after that , Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing …

      • Mike in MI

        Hey, Charlie -
        The Romans12 :20 quote includes the phrase,”For in so doing you shall heap coals of fire on his (one’s enemy) head.” That has a great Oriental cultural meaning that is little understood in our culture, today.
        In that culture, and day and time, there would be someone whose business was to keep a fire going all night, building hot coals. Then when the ladies strted getting up to tend to early morning duties they might fid their hearth fires had been extinguished (especially in cold weather).
        The fire tender would wind a cloth on his head, heap coals in a clay saucer and carry it up and down the streets of his city. He sold the coals to ladies who needed hot coals to start their hearth fires for light and to fix food. This blessed them bringing warmth and cheer to those homes. At the same time it kept the fire tender warm as heat was conducted through the cloth down to his skull.
        So, “heaping coals of fire on the head”, indicated the bringing of blessings to others and oneself on cold mornings. That was how they used the phrase.
        In the contest of Ro. 12 if someone has hurt you bad you don’t need to mete out justice yourself or carry around grudges or plan revenge. You treat the person back in a way that can not be construed as a payback. You will not bring police or judicial action down on yourself. If you want justice you can claim this promise and then let God mete out His justice in whatever manner He sees fit. That way, the justice won’t implicate you in vigilantism or retribution. But, it will be uniquely “JUST”. Only be careful, because if you have any fault or culpability in the matter…well, justice IS justice.

  • jopa

    By our President making the right decision as to how we took out (WE as Americans) Usama Bin Laden, there were mountains of documents that were used to eliminate more of Usama’s operatives.Thumb drives CD’s,hard drives would never have been recovered at the scene if a bunker buster carpet bombing or any other method was used in the Bin Laden raid.It is not that we as Americans just got Usama Bin Laden, but dozens of his terrorists have also met their demise.Thank You Seal Team Six and Mr. President for a job well done.

  • ROGER, Irish-Canadian LIBERTARIAN

    PURE PROPAGANDA..NOT one” fight” by Americans has been for Freedom EXCEPT the REVOLUTIONARY war.Every one since including your CIVIL war were wars of AGGRESION for Power,Wealth and resources. It is this kind of ignorance which is causing the collapse of the American Empire so i say the MORE LEAKS the better for the good of REAL freedom….if it is not too late already

    • JeffH

      War is the “eugenics of choice” by the PTB “global elite banksters” initiating them and funding them. The PTB reap the rewards 3 fold.
      a. power
      b. wealth
      c. de-population by war

  • http://twitter.com/ericbischoff Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

    America’s global empire and hegemony is based on lies, deceit, murder, blackmail, occupation, war, congress’ failure to do their job, a complicit corporate media, our apathy and massive amounts of our tax dollars to feed the obscene Military Industrial Complex.

    Fear works wonders to open up your purse strings.

    It didn’t start with Obama, he is merely continuing it. Something tells me if you and your family want to stay alive in that job you may not have much choice.

    But if anyone can tell the American’s “Mission Accomplished” on Bin Ladden, it’s Obama not Bush.

    Although I would prefer we would always keep these characters alive as there is much to learn. But I suppose a lot of it would be too embarrassing if it became public and so we make sure they are dead.

    To those who want to blame everything on OBama and not give him credit for anything, well you know what you are!

    Oh and by the way!
    Acting and sounding like an Idiot is almost the only thing you do on your own!

    • JeffH

      Eric the Red says “Oh and by the way! Acting and sounding like an Idiot is almost the only thing you do on your own!”

      My, my! Now if that ain’t a case of the “pot calling the kettle”…take a long hard look in the mirror Eric the Red!

      • http://twitter.com/ericbischoff Eric Bischoff (@ericbischoff)

        I looked in the mirror this morning and I didn’t see anything red.

        Like that’s is supposed to be an intelligent comment that invites an intelligent discussion ever!

        Should I call you Jeff the Yellow? Are you one who goes along sheepishly with the empire and hegemony?

        Or maybe you are just part of the Troll Attack dogs on this site. Maybe you are even related to DaveH another Troll attack dog.

      • Mike in MI

        ERRC -
        Please, take your glasses off so we can see the real YOU and find out if those specs are “rose-colored”, as so many of us suspect. Or, do they block out the red rays so you don’t have to “see” the facts?
        Perchance, you’re color-blind for the red spectra? Thus, you couldn’t see things as they really are, anyhow. Besides that, it may explain some of your other quirks. There are commnly related inapproriate brain functions associated with disturbances of neural connectivity in so important a sense’s capacity.
        But, there’s always the potential for “two-way street” phenomena wherein the inability to think right affects the perceptions, or vice versa. We’ve all heard of nutty people who have visual hallucinations and also abnormal drug reactions that produce all kinds of sensual abnormalities. What are you on for your depression or other maladies?

      • eddie47d

        Clueless Jeff is trying to defend his turf with BS when there is nothing there to defend. Only the usual slander so could Jeff be the real idiot? Now please tell us what was not true about Eric’s comment. If you can’t then just go away!!

      • eddie47d

        Not sure what Mike is blabbering about with his long comment that said nothing. Do you and Jeff have the same birth mother or were you left in the same basket at the orphanage?

      • JeffH

        eddie, clueless may be your middle name but being stupid is your reward.

      • Mike in MI

        eddie -
        Thanks for the clue to your difficulty. I’m beginning to seriously think it is a malady that affects most liberals who are still liberals beyond age 40 years. It involves the inability of a listener to think in certain terms and to be able to connect abstract speech or writng to an intended lesson or point being developed.
        For instance, the Bible says Jesus Christ spoke to the people in parables. The common people listened and “heard = (understood)” but the liberal temple priests, Pharisees, Saduccees and others “heard not – (did not undertand)” the objective lesson of symbolic teaching in parables. The abstract or symbolic nature, like “Aesop’s Fables”, of his teaching totally escaped most of the corrupt religious leaders because of a brain defect, not a hearing problem.
        The behavior of the religious leaders in regard to Jesus Christ was remarkably similar to how liberals today treat conservative leaders. Lies, whispering campaigns, twisted representations of what is said or meant, sly repetition of sentences with A word change which corrupts the meaning.
        Other things can be involved like a sort of obsessive adherence or minute observation of the letter of the Law but without heart or sensible reasoning. Another sign of the brain fart is their ability to get and remember the academics of a passage but utter inability to translate that into meaningful action or results.
        These are just some of the things I see you liberals doing constantly.
        So, thanks for telling me it’s “babble” to you. But, I’ll bet there are conservatives here who can tell what I mean.

      • Mike in MI

        Sorry, eddie said it was “blabbering”, not “…babble”.

  • Peter

    owebubba used all the tools George Bush put into place. Tools, I might add, that owebummer railed against as senator and candidate. owebullspatter did nothing but make it harder to prosecute this war in all its theaters.

  • jopa

    Peter;There was a good example of George Bush using tools on the news one night.He was cutting limbs in Crawford Texas with a chain saw and the chain was on backwards.The saw was smoking away like crazy on a two inch limb and it was obvious this photo op went the wrong way and nobody caught it.That was just too funny.

    • Opal the Gem

      Where is the link proving your claim?

  • Voice of Reason

    The banner on the A/C carrier superstructure “Mission Accomplished” was referring to the ouster of Saddam Hussein and the occupation of Baghdad. He was not referring to the “end” of terrorism or the end of the Iraq War. If you pay attention to previous and subsequent speeches made by Bush he never suggested that it was over! We are, for the most part, out of Iraq (initiated by Bush, Cheney and Gates’ policies) and it still isn’t over! Winston Churchill said at the end of the “Battle of Britain” that “this is not the end…but the end of the beginning”. For those here that never served this great Country of ours, in the armed forces, each part of a war has a “mission” that is set by the Joint Chiefs and Theater of War Commanders (Centcom, Socom, etc). In this case the “mission” was getting Sadam out of power and the occupation of the Capital; hence, “Mission Accomplished”. Get it!? In 1812 when the British invaded and occupied our Capitol and burned it, the war wasn’t over but their “mission” was accomplished. These “missions” in military parlance refers to on-going operations. Not a definitive end! But the end to the “mission”.

    The point of the article is the breaches in our National Security made by the Obama administration then and now that are threatening and hindering covert operations. This is unconscionable and illegal I might add. They are prosecuting a young soldier that “leaked” confidential classified information as a crypto in Europe but Obama’s Chicago gang does the same thing and it gets lauded. I don’t get it. I did serve in the military (Army and Navy), these breaches cost lives, my friends. Less than 1% of our population protects the rest of us. When they sign-up to serve and take the oath to preserve and protect our Country they sign a contract of blood, with the understanding that they may give up their lives as part of that contract! We owe them every means to aid them in their “missions” not expose how they did it!

    I am proud of the Seals that “accomplished the mission” and I am glad that whomever persuaded Obama to give the go ahead “accomplished their mission”. It was a good day for the survivors of 9/11. My problem is that “he” takes the credit. Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Lincoln, Truman and no other president that I am aware of (that are honorable at least) gave themselves credit for the deeds of others. And rightfully so, they do take the blame when it fails, as honor dictates. Eisenhower had written 2 speeches before the Normandy Invasion (“Mission” as it were). One was a victory speech the other was a speech blaming himself for the failure of the “mission”. Obama is a classic narcissist plain and simple. He is not a leader. He is an organizer nourished by Chicago “thug” politics. No real leader brings personal glory to themselves for the accomplishments of others. And not once, to my knowledge, has he ever taken blame for all his vast failures. How did those “shovel ready” jobs work out (the ones he joked about at the end of last year in a town meeting, “I guess those shovel ready jobs were not very shovel ready”, really Mr. President, it’s a laughing matter!!!!) ? This is a leader?

    By the way, most of the soldiers, sailors, marines, flyers, merchant marines and coast guardsman in WWII were volunteers not conscripts. It was their patriotic (a bad word now-a-days) duty to serve. They loved their Country and fought for OUR principles of liberty and freedom just as most soldiers do today. It may be hard for some of you to believe but most people in this Country (in spite of what the media and radicals want you to believe) love this Country and what it stands for. Too many of us take this for granted! It is the reason, since it was established in the late 18th century, that people have been clamoring to get here.

    Remember, that your right to say something inane was given to you by the blood of your fellow brave citizens who fought for you to make an ass out of yourself. I may not agree with what you say but I will fight for your right to express it!

  • historianMI

    It is hilarious (almost) to read some of the comments re bin Laden. The project was beyond any doubt initiated by GW Bush and his military. It required several years and a fortuitous capture of O b L’s driver who lead our forces to the Pakistan(!) hideout. And I doubt that Obama had any great knowledge of the progress of the search. For one thing, the Seals might have had some qualms about disclosing any information to BHO’s administration, for fear of—-leaks. All BHO did was the obvious; approve the mission, or else face condemnation for disapproval. It might have been a difficult decision for the President, however…..

  • http://yahoo wendell

    Very good and accurate comment, Voice of Reason. This article wasn’t about who takes credit for the kill of Bin Laden, it was about the notion that obama is leaking secrets about the operation that is putting all those seals and other associated people in fear for their life and their families lives of being identified and tracked down and killed. This has far reaching consequenses that can destroy other operations in the future. All because obama want to make political points.

  • FreedomFighter

    Guy goes into a bar in Louisiana where there’s a robot bartender! The robot says, “What will you have?”
    The guy says, “Whiskey.”
    The robot brings back his drink and says to the man, “What’s your IQ?”
    The guy says,” 168.” The robot then proceeds to talk about physics, space exploration and medical technology.The guy leaves but he is curious.

    So he goes back into the bar. The robot bartender says, “What will you have?”
    The guy says, “Whiskey.”
    Again, the robot brings the man his drink and says, “What’s your IQ?”
    The guy says, “100.”
    The robot then starts to talk about NASCAR, Budweiser, the Saints and LSU Tigers. The guy leaves, but finds it very interesting, so he thinks he will try it one more time.

    He goes back into the bar. The robot says, “What will you have?”
    The guy says, “Whiskey,” and the robot brings him his whiskey.
    The robot then says, “What’s your IQ?”
    The guy says, “Uh, about 50.”

    The robot leans in real close and says, “SO you people still happy with Obama?”

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • http://VerizonOnline Gordon Glass

      We got rid of Bin laden, now we must get rid of Obama by voting him out of office !!

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “FreedomFighter,” THAT WAS “COOL!”

  • APN

    No Kidding! You mean to tell me that Hussein “Obama” did not actually KILL ‘”Osama”.

    Who would have think it!

    LMAO!!!!

    Welcome to the drug induced “public educated” progressive stupidity of “America”.

    Beam me up!

    This country is DOOMED for absolute destruction.

    APN

    PS: Hail to thee all you “Professors” in our “higher” education system who have attempted to “teach” our young and dumb American’s your principles of “Social Justice”.

    LMAO!!! FOOLISH PEOPLE!!!!

    • Mike in MI

      But, APN -
      Can’t you see they have succeeded in converting (perverting?) our youths to their concepts of “Social Justice”, “Equity” and “Fairness”?
      Observe how many pulled the lever last time for “Hope and Change” and “Yes, we can”.
      In your lifetime how many, at one time, have you ever seen think it is honorable and fair for them to sit at home all week texting each other how awful the world is. Then drive from their aid assisted housing with public provided utilities to go collect and cash their welfare check, eat-out and drink with their food stamps, all the while complaining that their ex-spouse is living real high on the hog and needs to quit spoiling the baby…because child support costs too much? It’s so bad they’re getting headaches bad so they need to see if the medicaid doctor can write a pain script for it.
      The person doesn’t realize the storms one must navigate to get free from such bondage or that they are even in bondage…Obonmondage.
      Last time the chanted, “Yes we can”, “Hope and change”.
      Someday the money train will stop with a screech. Then, the chant will be, “Yes we can hop in chains…..!SIR!”
      Only, it won’t be Romney’s bankers directing traffic. It might be Obama/Biden calling (de)cadence.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Mike in MI,” YOU ARE ON POINT!

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    I HAVE “GROWN TO LIKE” MANY OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS SITE. YET, IT BOTHERS ME SO MANY CAUCASIANS ARE EAGER TO “PAINT” Osama bin Laden AS, “CRUEL.” THERE IS NO PROOF.

    NO – IT IS NOT ANTI-AMERICAN TO CARE ABOUT Mr. bin Laden. Mr. bin Laden HAS DONE ABSOLUTELY N-O-T-H-I-N-G TO ME. I WILL NOT HATE HIM BECAUSE CAUCASIANS HATE HIM. Mr. bin Laden WAS A MALE OF COLOR WHO WAS DENIED HIS INNOCENCE.

    • deerinwater

      You just got knocked off my Christmas Card list Chris. More reading and studying will do you some good. ~ Screw the white / black stuff Mister. I’ve no interest in getting off topic with you in regard to what constitutes good and bad men, what colors they come in, where they come from or 246 years of American history.

      I would concede that it’s doubtful that 9-11 was the brain fart of a single man. But that we are minus one or several goat abusers pleases me. I just hate that “W” took his eye off the ball and left it for someone else to clean up the mess he made attempting to conduct a little “business”.

      To many people died that simply were not necessary, Too many bombs, too many bullets, too much fire and smoke to kill a few camel drivers.

      • Voice of Reason

        I’m with you on this one deerinwater
        Osama bin Laden funded and sanctioned a heinous atrocity against innocent victims on 9/11. More died on 9/11 than at Pearl Harbor! You want to give Obama credit for the Seal Team elimination of this person but you are not going to give Osama the credit for 9/11? That’s absurd! What does it take to get Americans angry!!!! You say it doesn’t affect you? Have you taken a flight lately, gone to a sporting event?

        We are at a critical time in our history. Do we go the way of the Romans and Greeks or do we preserve the Republic, the ONLY bastion of freedom and liberty existing in the world today? We aren’t perfect by any stretch of the imagination, we are human after all, and freedom comes with responsibility which seems to be a rare trait these days, but we are still the best country in the world for opportunity, religious freedom, personnel freedom and liberty for ANYONE! I don’t care how much money the rich have, what difference does it make to me? All I want is the chance to get there too if I apply myself. You can’t do that anywhere else than right here, in the USA, ask all the emmigrants that come here why they do! All you rich haters, do you buy lottery tickets, do you watch multi-millionaire entertainers bad-mouth your country while they ride around in their SUV’s, G-5′s and live off-shore to avoid paying US taxes while they tell us we need to give more? You’re mad at the wrong people!

        The US is 79% Christian. I’m sorry if you don’t like that fact but this is from the Federal Government. We were founded on Christian principles, again I’m sorry if you don’t like that but maybe you need to go to Wash, DC some time and look at the inscriptions on the Federal Buildings, our Constitution, The Declaration of Independence and Arlington National Cemetery. Read the words of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Roosevelt. Don’t take my word for it!

        Atheists make up less than 1% of our population! That’s it!!! Yet we have allowed these malcontents to systematically destroy our morale fiber!

        Lets look at the so-called Nation of Islam. Worldwide they are the second largest religious population behind Christianity. Fact again, not my imagination…look it up! They are duty and religious bound to overtake us. Again, fact, not media BS, not my opinion. A tenet of this so-called religion is to CONVERT, TO ENSLAVE OR TO CONQUER Christians! Simple! This can be confirmed by any honest Muslim. I spent 8 hours with a Syrian Shiite national. He informed me that he had nothing personal against me and we could live together as long as I am willing to convert or be subject to Sharia Law. If not than…..!?

        There are good Muslim people out there but secretly they would have no greater pleasure than to eliminate us! This deep, taught hatred has been going on since Sarah (Abraham’s wife) threw Hagar (her Egyptian handmade) and Ishmael (Hagar’s son by Abraham) out of Abraham’s (Ibrahim) house thousands of years ago. Jews, Christains and Muslims all have the same “father”, Abraham, but the direction of the Muslim sect took a radical turn. Whereas tolerance, love and peace are the guidelines of the 2 former religions, hatred (except for their own-kind), intolerance and division is the guidelines of the latter.

        You can talk until your are blue in the face, you are NOT going to change their philosophy! Period! SOOO? What side are you on, our imperfect Christian based principles of freedom, opportunity, love, tolerance, liberty etc. OR intolerance, suppression, rigidity, cruelity, ignorance and despotism? It’s your choice!!

        I would dare anyone here that expresses their vehement opinions about our country to do this in a Muslim Country. Lets see how that would work out for you! Do you know what they do to woman that want to be independent, how about those folks who are homosexual, how about someone that uses Mohammeds name in vain? Go there and find out. I’ll pray for you!

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “deerinwater,”

        YOUR COMMENT, “I’ve no interest in getting off topic with you…,” MEANS YOU AND I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO TALK IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE YOU ARE TRYING TO LIMIT ME. THE WORDS, “CAUCASIAN” AND “NEGRO” WILL BE IN 99.9% OF MY COMMENTS. I CAN NOT HELP IT IF THAT IS A PROBLEM FOR YOU.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “deerinwater,”

        IT IS NOT MY FAULT PEOPLE ON THIS SITE HAVE DECIDED I AM CAUCASIAN. I HAVE TOLD A-L-L OF YOU I AM NEGRO – NO ONE BELIEVES ME. ONE-HUNDRED PERCENT OF ALL Personal Liberty TOPICS WILL BE SEEN FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE BY NEGROES.

        I FEEL COMPELLED TO MAKE THIS STATEMENT. I BELIEVE THERE ARE OTHER NEGROES ON THIS SITE. YET, THEY HAVE DECIDED TO TAKE A DIPLOMATIC APPROACH IN DEALING WITH THE CAUCASIANS ON THIS SITE. THEY “FUDGE” THEIR INTERESTS IN ORDER TO “FIT-IN” ["GUN" THREADS ARE GREAT EXAMPLES]. CAUCASIANS WHO BELIEVE RACISM IS OVER LOSE CREDIBILITY IF THEY DO NOT WANT TO HEAR A NEGRO MALE’S TRUTH. IT IS N-E-V-E-R MY GOAL FOR A-N-Y CAUCASIAN TO AGREE WITH ME.

        • Voice of Reason

          Chris, I haven’t heard the term Negro since the early 60′s, you are dating yourself, man. I know that there are cultural differences (in general) between the “blackman” and the “whiteman” in this country. Viva la diffe’rence! Good, that’s what are Country is all about, cultural diversity. Saying that, in spite of this, we all have shared experiences that can’t be denied. I hope you are not blindly following our failed leader because of his race (although he is mixed racial and was brought up by middle-classed white relatives after his mother and father abandoned him, and then went to the “man’s” schools). I think more highly of you then to stoop to that obvious level.

          You are certainly a supporter of Obama. I would like to know WHY? What has he done to improve the situation since he was elected (which was a day, by the way, that made me proud to be an American, that a man of mixed racial decent could be elected to the most powerful position in the World, and it happened here, in the USA). I see you defend him left and right but for what? Because he his black, and it’s not racially cogent to step out of the crowd? So I should always vote white, no matter how ridiculous the man’s agenda? Remember he was put in office by whites, as well.

          My former business partner is a proud blackman and was my best friend and was like an older brother to me. He still held old ideas about racism here in America. He experienced prejudice while growing up. But he was still conservative and served as an naval officer aboard a destroyer. He loved this Country. I am white but have also experienced severe prejudice in this country because I chose to wear a beard in the 60′s and seventies and was considered a “dirty hippie” even though I am conservative, anal retentive and have a doctorate degree. But I got a flash of what it was like. I could have easily shaved my beard and cut my hair but a blackman can’t. All he can do is change his attitude! Prejudice will always exist. It’s part of human nature to not idenity by those that are different. Blacks are just as prejudice as whites. You know I speak the truth, my friend.

          Today classic racial prejudice is more an older generation concept. The kids now-a-days don’t even think about it. They have friends of all races and colors. It is only the uneducated, and older blacks and whites that still cling to division.
          We are all Americans, we need to move on. We do have a common enemy that would delight in seeing us die from within but we waste time and energy pointing at one another.

          Obama perpetuates class envy and racial division. Is this the message that we want for our Country? How will this help? Obama has personal issues. Anyone would if they had such a mixed-up life as this kid did. He was illegitimate. He mother was a card carrying Communist as his baby daddy was. He was brought up in a Muslim Country where he went to Muslim schools before his mother abandoned him to her radical (her mother was also a Communist and has written articles and edited for Communist Newspapers) white grandmother. He was a radical in college and worked as a Community Organizer (AKA Socialist) oganization as a young man. He taught briefly at the University of Chicago probably one of the most liberal schools next to Berkley, in the US.

          So are you a Muslim? Are you a Communist? Are you a Socialist? Following one of these can only be the reason for your devotion to this man. The rest doesn’t make sense. He has created more debt than ALL the other Presidents that proceeded him. Do you hate children? This is going to be their debt!

          Usually when one is in a relationship they go through a personal check-list from time to time to see if the relationship is good or bad. If you list in one column Obama’s positives for America as President and on the other side his negatives. The choice can be easily made. Osama bin Laden, OK, that’s one in the positive………and that’s it! Nothing else! Be honest, is Obamacare care really going to be good for this Country, really, BE HONEST!? Everything else he has done has failed. GM still owes over $60 billion to the American tax-payer. How many mouths would that feed. How many homes saved from foreclosure. We are in the worst economic situation since the Great Depression. It is now HIS economy. Everything he did made things worse not better. When is it time to say Good-bye? Alfred E. Newman (What Me Worry? Mad Magazine) couldn’t do a worse job.

          He is a good father (more blackmen need to take his example and maybe there would be less black on black crime). He is a good husband (again blackmen need to take heed) but that’s it. He’s way over his head. The Dems have been making promises to the minorities in this Country since the 60′s, has the plight of this demographic improved. No matter what they do it gets worse in this community not better. Obama is a great orator, I agree, but words are cheap. Show me how you are going to bring us together not divide us futher. The sad thing is that if he loses in November, it will be probably a long time before another “blackman” will be elected to this office because of the worse fears realized by “whites” that the man holding the highest office would be….a racist!

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Voice of Reason,”

        I VOTED FOR “H. W.,” “W.” AND McCain.

        I REPLIED TO “deerinwater” BECAUSE HE STATED I TALK TOO MUCH ABOUT “black&white.” I AM NEGRO MALE; I CAN ONLY TALK AS A NEGRO MALE.

        I REFERRED TO “GUN” THREADS BECAUSE A LOT OF CAUCASIAN Personal Libertarians SEEM TO PLACE A LOT OF VALUE ON SECOND-AMENDMENT RIGHTS, GUN-OPERATION TECHNIQUE, ETC. AS NEGRO MALES WHO OWN GUNS, THESE ISSUES ARE NOT IMPORTANT TO US. WE FEEL IT IS A STRUGGLE TO SIMPLY BE “black men” IN AMERICA WITH GUNS. IT BOTHERS ME THERE ARE SOME NEGROES ON THIS SITE WHO TRY TO UTILIZE CAUCASIAN SPEECH WHEN DISCUSSING GUNS. IN MY ENVIRONMENT, NEGROES WHO HAVE GUNS DO NOT DISCUSS THEIR GUNS WITH EACH OTHER. THE ONLY TIME GUNS ARE MENTIONED ARE DURING SALES. I PREFER NOT TO EXTENSIVELY DISCUSS MY GUNS.

        • Voice of Reason

          Chris, I certainly respect your position. I do not walk in your shoes but can empathize with you. I wish, though, we could refer to ourselves as American’s rather than put a qualifier to each of us. To each his own, I guess. That’s what America is all about, being an individual. I am like you, I don’t discuss my possible holdings with anyone but trusted friends. It’s my 2nd Amendment Right guaranteed by the Constitution. It’s no-one’s business but mine. I don’t know what you and deerinwater are into and frankly it’s known of my business. I will defend your right (and his) to have your opinion, regardless of whether I agree or not. Take care, my friend.

  • Mountain Saint

    Do you why Obama didn’t show Osama bin Laden’s body to the world? Because Obama knew that Osama has been dead for years and was killed by no less than the Bush Administration…Did you see in the video the special medical equipment Osama needed to stay alive? No, this was a Capricorn One type of operation.

  • gingersnap915@yahoo.com

    You ppl must be really bored. All politicians are the same and until or unless we can find/elect one that has the agenda of the people first and foremost in their plan we may as well forget about having a fair government that works for the majority of Americans. Big business runs the government and the little guy hasn’t a chance against them and the money they can throw around. So just try to put the less of two evils in the White House and hope for the best. Even if someone goes into politics with the best of intentions he can not fight the establishment on his own. One person isn’t enough. We are heading to a one world government and I don’t believe anything can stop it. We may live in different countries but our economy is so tied into world finances we are doomed as a private nation. War is just a way to thin out the masses in a way that people except it and don’t condemn our country for it or other countries for that matter unless it is an atrocious act of
    genicide or the like. Accept things for what they are and stop trying to figure out what the motives are within government because unless you are one of them you can’t possibly know the answers. Give it a rest!!!!

  • Phil

    Obama haters, suppose Bin Laden was killed during Bush administration, who gets the credit? In the military we take orders. You did not decide to go after Bin Laden on your own. For the same token if the mission had failed, who would you have blamed? So please give credit to ahere it is due. Stop being used for politics!

  • Deerinwater

    “A group of former U.S. intelligence and special operation forces operatives is shooting down the notion that President Barack Obama killed Osama bin Laden.”

    Well, of course he didn’t, ~ Obama had him killed.

    After this man said this ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPTwsMEiI0g

    and on being elected this man said this ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfcY6wGF0VY

    Two links offered will require censure reviews, I have faith in the system and trust all will be as I offered it .

    It is what it is, no more ~ no less.

  • Dad

    Obama has killed people… it’s just that Osama bin Laden is not one of them. Heck, this guy isn’t even a boy scout…

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