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Sociopaths

November 26, 2012 by  

Sociopaths
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They lurk! Only a few people are even aware of them and fewer people can spot them. Recognizing them can save you. They exist to feed off society and, especially, unsuspecting individuals.

They constantly seek whom they may devour. Funny thing: If they know that you are alert to them, they will avoid you like the plague.

Many will test you to see if you are a sucker. The minute you spot them, they are gone. There are many people for them to prey on. That vast crowd of people who want something for nothing is easily fooled by sociopaths.

Sociopaths have one overpowering attribute or personality trait. They are insatiably greedy. They want to rake everything to themselves. This is one easy way to spot them.

Following are 10 signs for spotting a sociopath. They come in all sizes, from the everyday charlatan to the Bernie Madoff. Learn them and avoid sociopaths at all costs.

  1. Sociopaths are charming. They have high charisma and tend to attract a following just because people want to be around them. They have a glowing personality that attracts people who typically seek guidance or direction or need someone to follow.
  2. Sociopaths are more spontaneous and intense than other people. They tend to do bizarre, sometimes erratic things that most regular people would not do. Their behavior often seems irrational or extremely risky.
  3. Sociopaths are incapable of feeling shame, guilt or remorse. This allows them to betray people, threaten or harm people without giving it a second thought. They pursue any action that serves their own self-interest, even if it seriously harms others.
  4. Sociopaths invent outrageous lies about their experiences. They wildly exaggerate things to the point of absurdity; but when they describe it to you in a storytelling format, for some reason it sounds believable at the time.
  5. Sociopaths seek to dominate others and “win” at all costs. They hate to lose any argument or fight and will viciously defend their web of lies, even to the point of logical absurdity.
  6. Sociopaths tend to be highly intelligent. Their high IQs often make them dangerous. They use their brainpower to deceive others rather than empower them. This is why many of the best-known serial killers who successfully evaded law enforcement were sociopaths.
  7. Sociopaths are incapable of love and are entirely self-serving. They may feign love or compassion in order to get what they want, but they don’t actually feel love in the way that normal people do.
  8. Sociopaths speak poetically. They are master wordsmiths, able to deliver a running monologue that is both intriguing and hypnotic. They are expert storytellers.
  9. Sociopaths never apologize. They are never wrong. They never feel guilt. Even when shown proof that they are wrong, they will refuse to apologize and instead go on the attack.
  10. Sociopaths are delusional and literally believe that what they say becomes truth merely because they say it.

Sociopaths are masters at turning one group of people against another group while proclaiming themselves to be the one true savior. Wherever they go, they create strife, argument and hatred. You cannot reason with a sociopath.

A sociopath will usually have a small group of cult-like followers who believe their fictional tales. They invent bizarre tales, never answer facts and always attack the messenger.

Sociopaths love big government and they are attracted to government and politics. They see a lot there to manipulate and steal. This is very easy to see in the way they set themselves up with special privilege and government benefits.

As sociopaths have no substance, they are attracted to and lovers of fiat money systems. Fiat allows them to play “Santa Claus” and dole out special perks and privileges to select constituencies, seemingly without consequences. But the consequences are long-term destruction for short-term gain. They get away with it because the masses and the media have short attention spans.

In his most recent commentary, Shadowstats.com’s John Williams describes the destruction wrought by the sociopaths. Where once Williams predicted a hyperinflationary depression beginning by 2019, he has since shortened the outer timeline to 2014, with 90 percent certainty — 40 percent certainty by the end of 2013.

The shorter timeline results in the actions centered around and since the financial collapse of 2008. The 2008 collapse was the inevitable result of money policies begun decades earlier. Williams writes here (subscription required):

By 2004, the U.S. budget deficit was out of control, it had become unsustainable and uncontainable. Using generally accepted accounting principles (GAAP-accounting), the deficit for just the one fiscal-year of 2004 exploded to $11.0 trillion (versus a headline $412 billion gimmicked cash-basis deficit), reflecting, among other issues, the impact of the overhaul of the Medicare system. Corrected for distortions from one-time accounting changes, the actual, or GAAP-based, federal deficit has run roughly $5 trillion per year since 2004, and likely topped $7 trillion in 2012.

No amount of spending cuts, outside of the so-called “entitlement” programs–that remain politically untouchable–and no amount of tax increases, ever could bring the actual annual deficits into balance. As of 2004, the United States had been doomed to a hyperinflation by 2019, where the U.S. government would have no practical choice but to the print the money it needed to cover its obligations. The U.S. dollar would become so inflated as to be worthless, reflecting a full loss of purchasing power.

The U.S. financial and political system had been running amuck for decades, with the government and consumers living well beyond their means, supported by excessive and unsustainable growth in debt. Faced with structural impairments to individual income growth, the Federal Reserve (under Chairman Alan Greenspan) actively encouraged the excessive growth of consumer debt as a way to support economic activity, continuously borrowing economic growth from the future.

A day of reckoning had to come, and the U.S. financial and banking systems came to the brink of collapse in September 2008. To prevent the unthinkable, the Federal Reserve and the U.S. government created, spent, loaned, guaranteed, and gave away whatever money was necessary, (sic) and otherwise bailed out whatever was needed, to keep the system afloat. Those actions forestalled the systemic collapse, but they did not resolve the major problems. An economic downturn at the time deepened into something of an economic collapse, and, contrary to GDP reporting, there was no subsequent economic recovery.

Those economic and systemic-solvency crises still are ongoing and now are deteriorating anew. The ultimate costs for saving the system in 2008 and beyond, will come down to inflation, eventual full debasement of the U.S. dollar. Accordingly, the actions taken in the crisis containment of 2008, and later, brought the outside timing for the hyperinflation of 2019, into 2014. With 2013 little more than month away, time has run out to avoid the ultimate demise of the U.S. dollar.

While the end of the dollar is near, there is time for the individual to prepare to survive its demise. Accumulate gold and silver (especially) coins as much and as fast as possible. I recommend pre-1965 junk silver coins. This will provide the financial safety net to see you through the coming and inevitable depression.

Also, keep cash on hand. It will be needed initially at the close and collapse of the banking system but will not be available.

Sociopaths won’t tell you this, even as they set themselves up to survive.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • FreedomFighter

    The description of Sociopaths sounds allot like the one for demons, demon controlled or someone under the control of a demon. Why isnt it wierd how all the descriptions of the elite controllers “banksters” of this world are associated with Lucifer the lightbringer – satanic whore-ship?

    The only time Jesus ever became violent was with the money exchangers “banksters” in the temple.

    Regardless, an excellent artical, straight to the point, no sugar coating — been stocking up and will continue as best I can to prepare both physically and spiritually.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAfYCuOtgQg

    Something nice to listen to while your reading…

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • Tom Cook

      Oh, yeah, demons! And the bogeyman, and brack obongo. Perfect description of our white negro who also happens to exist, unfortunately, unlike all of your uggggy bugggy’s. Semper Fi Free–where did you fight?

    • nc

      FreedomFighter, I see you are still into the doom and gloom here at Personal Liberty! Preparing for the “truth” that you are told here! Like the landslide defeat of President Obama as assured by resident expert Wayne Root. REMEMBER?? The conspiracies that are afoot here that never happen????? What makes you think any assessment of the true nature of this country will be told here by any contributors??? They are 0 for Forever in their dire predictions!!

      • Hedgehog

        “there are none so blind as those who will not see!” Not my quote, I’m not that smart.

      • DaveH

        NC says — “Like the landslide defeat of President Obama as assured by resident expert Wayne Root. REMEMBER??”.
        And that is significant why, NC?
        So the majority of voters are ignorant and greedy for other peoples’ money. Can you tell us something we don’t know?

      • eddie47d

        NC; Pat Robertson made the same prediction although he said God claimed a Romney win was in the bag and also a clean sweep in Congress. Bets are for egotists and charlatans making an attempt to be right about something. If “God’s” prediction” would have come true then Robertson would have increased his ratings and stature. I think God had other plans in telling Pat not to use his name in vain.

        • Gea

          Obama is a great story teller and had a fantastic community organization that had managed to mobilized moochers and homeless to get off their duff for a couple of hours and vote. Some of them were prisoners (Vermont and Maine) and many nursing home residents were also bussed in to vote. Since many of the moochers also get a free phone (pimps, prostitutes and drug dealer small business enhancement by Obama), they also helped mobilize “moochers for Obama”.

          Also, those who prefer to live on unemployment benefits, which last for ever also voted for continuation of the gravy train, paid for by working Americans and loans from China, Japan and Arabs, who are using their oil money to teach hatred of US and Western society in the mosques they are building around the world, including in US.

          Therefore, you better start learning Chinese, Japanese and particularly Arabic, since US Masters may speak Arabic, just as Obama does ;-)! Islam, which is incompatible with US Constitution is the fastest growing “religion’ around the world because beheading is a rather powerful argument to become a Muslims, and violent criminals are also attracted to Islamic teachings, because they can whack Kafir (derogatory term for non-Muslims) for Allahu Akbar.

          Obama is a traitor who let genocidal, supremacist misogynist ideologues of Muslim Brotherhood into the White house and given them $1,600 millions for their war on women in Egypt and war against Israel, which is attacked by Hamas, an offshoot of Muslim brotherhood. US taxpayers may be paying for the rockets that are daily fired on almost half of Israeli population (75% Jews, 22% Muslims and the rest Christians, Baha’is, Buddhists etc.). Nice way to go, Barack Hussein Obama, giving support to terrorists who are up to destroy Western civilization with his help.

          This is the first time that US has a traitor in the White house, who is up to destroy US. He is a true believer in Marxism and Islam, two supremacist ideologies that belong to a dung heap of history and not in America. Both of those vile ideologies promise their followers abundance, justice and equality, but always deliver poverty, injustice, misery and corruption. There is no Decalogue in those ideologies, and might makes right RULES over everybody!.

      • rabidconservative

        nc – Oh how I wish he were wrong! But unfortunately for ALL of us there are facts and figures and history and common sense (“there’s no free lunch” for example). If only it were just a bad dream. If only we could go on and on and on spending more than we take in and borrowing like it didn’t matter. If only destroying the private sector were somehow good for the people…..Ah, but excuse me – I’ve disturbed your reverie. Back off to dreamland, don’t you worry about a thing!

      • Nobody’s Fool

        nc…does that stand for nut case? no count? Which?? Please, go back to your commie website where you can be fed nonsense and lies all day long. You’ll love it. You won’t hear an ounce of truth all day.

      • eddie47d

        GEA is the sociopathic nut job or didn’t you notice? I love it when a maddening story teller (GEA) accuses someone else (Obama) of being a story teller.

        • rabidconservative

          Eddie – Obama doesn’t tell stories? “The most open administration….”, By far the least, “Reduce the deficit by half….” , more than doubled it, “Post Racial…..”, has spent trillions sowing discord in the America he “loves”. He is systematically destroying the private sector to force Americans to beg him for crumbs. And you fell for it. Who are you going to blame for empty shelves and long bread lines? The Tea Party?

      • http://yahoo Charles Arthur Williams

        Dave H and anyone else that spews out the ” you want other people’s money. I am so tired of hearing that crap ! Republican policy’s have taken money from the working class and giving it to the rich since Reagan started Trickle Down in the eighty’s ! He also cut the highest tax rate by 60%, from 73% in 1980 to 28% before he left office ! Then he added TD on top of that ! Where did the money come from to offset this ? It came from the working class and the tripling of the debt from 900 billion to 2.8 trillion !

        Why does it have to be envy or greed to be treated fairly ? Trickle Down is the worst single policy for my small business in my 40 years in the trades ! Taking from the working class to give breaks to the rich has destroyed my client base ! My costumer’s are the working class, all the rich ever did for me was cut my bids and expect special treatment ! Talk about the entitlement class !

        And before you start your envy crap ! My Grandfather was a multimillionaire in the 60s and 70s and he made his money with the top tax rate of 73% !

      • Old Henry

        nc, FreedomFighter is not a doom and gloomer. He is a realist.

        Please “splain” to the unwashed with your brilliance why the current policies cannot fail.

        Those who do not learn from history….
        Are doomed to repeat it.

        Preparing for the worst is always the best course of action. It’s known as a contingency plan.

        I’m guessing you are so dependent on guvment you simply expect them to continually take care of you – at everyone else’s expense.

      • Old Henry

        I did not hear the Reverand make that statement, but if he did, you may be correct, eddie. You just may be correct.

        However, that does not diminish all the tremendous good Pat Robertson, and his organization, have done over the last 50 plus years.

        And…. we must not discount the over-whelming voter fraud committed nation-wide.

      • FreedomFighter

        Actually if you check the comments section of that artical you will find I said Obama will win, thru massive fraud. Demon inspired probably.

        Definition:demon [ˈdiːmən]
        n
        1. an evil spirit or devil
        2. a person, habit, obsession, etc., thought of as evil, cruel, or persistently tormenting

        good to read by…

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=a48gIt84AZc&feature=endscreen

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Charles Arthur Williams, so why didn’t you follow in your grandfather’s footsteps and also become a millionaire? Or has it become like in the Chinese proverb, shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in 3 generations.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        Good post, FF, and thanks for the tune; one of my favourites!!! Yup, the demon-possesed are in the White-house, no doubt about it, and a few are on this board, that being; the fifth column, with their bleached and starched sheets(radical-socialists). Can’t you just hear the sound of their heels clicking?

      • eddie47d

        Does Jay sleep on his cold gray mattress tucked between dark gray sheets with dark gray walls surrounding him? or Maybe they are pretty flowery ones at the Institution he lives in. Just funning you Jay so take a deep breath and chill out.

      • eddie47d

        Never mentioned Tea Party Mr RABID such a fitting name for you. I reckon you can invoke anything you want if it makes you feel better.

      • DaveH

        Charles says — “Dave H and anyone else that spews out the ” you want other people’s money. I am so tired of hearing that crap!”.

        You’re tired of hearing it, Charles? Then quit voting for it.
        And I could care less if it’s Republicans or it’s Democrats that are doing the Stealing. Anytime Government takes money from unwilling Taxpayers and gives it to individual people or a corporation of people, it is still just Theft. If you can’t handle that you are part of the Society of Criminals, Charles, then get some morality and remove yourself from their membership.

        Charles says — “Trickle Down is the worst single policy for my small business in my 40 years in the trades!”.
        There never was a “Trickle Down” policy, any more than there was a “Trickle Up Poverty” Policy. Those were just manipulative word games by manipulative politicians.

        I defy you, Charles, to find any comment of mine in which I condoned Government protection of Businesses at the expense of the taxpayers.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        No worries Eddie, just speaking my mind while i still can…cheers!

    • GALT

      Greetings Mr. Livingston,

      Well I must say, this is a very provocative, seemingly passionate, and meticulously constructed piece of rhetoric which is, if nothing else is quite apropos after a recent “holiday” which saw the transition of a small group of people seeking religious freedom, turned into a drama of the undeniable evils of communism and its effects, which required being saved from utter annihilation by virtues of the clearly superior capitalist system.

      That bit of mushroom fodder provided an arduous although not totally unproductive exchange of “ideas”, and I use that term quite liberally, that I had anticipated a possible respite to organize the “fruits” of that cacophonous event to employ in more productive pursuits…….. only to return today to find this…….for which, I am extremely grateful.
      Sociopaths
      Is where we begin……and this might actually SEEM to be the subject of the piece……with a range of players which include both “serial killers”and Bernie Madoff and a list of the “ten signs”, so YOU can avoid them……..and if you read the list, one could not possibly disagree that. that is the appropriate, intelligent and prudent thing to do……..however, as obvious as that seems, it does not stop there, so in counterpoint I have a different title with which I will begin……

      “Mirror, mirror on the wall, who is the fairest sociopath of them all?”

      Mr Livingston has taken great pains in the set up here and he identifies the potential victims and the “motivation” which contributes to the anticipated and ( implied as self evident ) expected result.

      Many will test you to see if you are a sucker. The minute you spot them, they are gone. There are many people for them to prey on. That vast crowd of people who want something for nothing is easily fooled by sociopaths.

      As we can see, and will see, there is a slight “error” in that description because it is inconsistent with both the examples given, as well as, the actual “subject” of this “article”……and that would be the second sentence of that four sentence paragraph.

      We can now jump to the “list” which is straightforward and probably has a source…….although one can not be certain if it is a clinical one, or an interpretation……so that would be useful to know……..and appreciated??????

      Mr. Livingston then continues the rest of the set up on the way to the actual subject and intended “target” of the post.

      Sociopaths are masters at turning one group of people against another group while proclaiming themselves to be the one true savior.

      Capitalists vs commie,socialist evil doers? Libertarians vs Liberal Progressives? The Democratic Party Base vs. The Republican Party Base? Climate Scientists vs. Climate SCIENCE Denier’s? The still fortunately employed vs. the recent unfortunately unemployed? The hard working capitalist producers vs. ungrateful lazy recipients of their crumbs of decreasing and begrudging unintended largesse? Less filling vs. Tastes great?……….. etc?

      Wherever they go, they create strife, argument and hatred. You cannot reason with a sociopath.

      “No matter where you go, there you are!”

      A sociopath will usually have a small group of cult-like followers who believe their fictional tales. They invent bizarre tales, never answer facts and always attack the messenger.

      Now that feels down right homey and familiar…….” It’s deja vu, all over again.”

      Sociopaths love big government and they are attracted to government and politics. They see a lot there to manipulate and steal.

      That too…..and they can use the FACT of the existence of those things, for the the same purpose and, for the same reason.

      This is very easy to see in the way they set themselves up with special privilege and government benefits.

      But the intended subject and actual targets are beginning to emerge by inference?

      As sociopaths have no substance, they are attracted to and lovers of fiat money systems.

      Non sequitur, prejudicial and completely irrelevant…….a sociopath couldn’t care less what the “substance” consists of……only that it exists.

      Fiat allows them to play “Santa Claus” and dole out special perks and privileges to select constituencies, seemingly without consequences.

      i.e.
      Remember, this shows just the one-year value of each publication you’ll get free. But your benefits also add up over time.
      For instance, after just five years of these “reward benefits,” you’ll already be ahead by an incredible $25,195 in savings.
      After 10 years, that’s $50,390 worth of research that you’ll have received free as part of this special “rewards” program.
      Some of our competitors think we’re crazy.
      But the way we see it, giving you a lifetime of benefits in return for a lifetime of your continued loyalty is more than worthwhile.
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      After that, there’s only a modest annual maintenance charge — to cover our rising mail and research costs — of $99 per year.

      Actual ad….identity removed……fiat accepted, without objection, although NOW seems to be preferred, rather than later…….

      But the consequences are long-term destruction for short-term gain.
      I doubt the solicitor’s here would concur, nor is that a necessary result or qualifier……….although for this and “other’s” of it’s type…….there are obvious *disclaimers, no doubt lurking in the “fine print.”

      For “other” subjects, such as the so called “climate change” debate…..and other matters…..absolutely on point! Only the culprits need to be properly identified.

      They get away with it because the masses and the media have short attention spans.

      That they do Bob, that they do……….from one day to the next as it turns out………..and why this article has given me that warm, fuzzy, familiar feeling, I have come to know and love………at P.L.D.

      I especially liked:

      9.)Sociopaths never apologize. They are never wrong. They never feel guilt. Even when shown proof that they are wrong, they will refuse to apologize and instead go on the attack.

      * author’s disclaimer: this post has been one in an on going series whose informal title is: “having fun with Bob and friends.” It, like that which appears here at P.L.D. is offered with it’s own intent and purpose, which may or may not conflict with the views of the host, various contributing authors and those seek to communicate ( or not to communicate ) in the spirit of the free* exchange of “ideas” for the mutual benefit ( or specific benefit ) of all ( or some ) of those concerned.

      “To conquer, firs DIVIDE!” ( and then HANG, separately. )

      • S.C.Murf

        Sociopath thy name is galt, proof is in your own ramblings.

        up the hill (with the mirror)
        airborne

      • GALT

        9.)Sociopaths never apologize. They are never wrong. They never feel guilt. Even when shown proof that they are wrong, they will refuse to apologize and instead go on the attack.

        Ah, the first of the “willfully ignorant, functional illiterates” appears……doesn’t know what he just read, doesn’t have a clue what it means, offers no argument or proof…..BUT?

        Amazing what a name can provoke……..

        “Is there anyone else?”

        “Ignorance is strength!”

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        Galt, the article describes you to a tee. I had no idea Mr. Livingston was in possession of such analytical prowess. And to think, there is no charge to you…you gotta love that, hey Galt?

      • GALT

        Jay…….as I have promised….”the best is yet to come”…..

        Today…….. as a matter of FACT…….

        Thank you for your comment………

        stay tuned……..

      • DaveH

        The best is yet to come?
        Doesn’t that imply being preceded by something good?
        Methinks you have to accomplish that first, Galt.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        Yes Galt, “we live in interesting times”; agreed!

      • GALT

        Pretty much done DavidH…….and TODAY……

        Also….my advice to you is that you really don’t want to push this………

        Use the intellect you believe you have……….instead of trying to coast in the “comfort
        zone” which you do NOT HAVE……

    • Old Henry

      Thanks FreedomFighter. That’s a goodn… I remember “barkin’” the rear tires goin’ thru the gears in rythm to the music. At…. 39 cents / gallon…

    • Cherio

      The nice thing is some states are looking into their own currency, I believe some already are. Succession anyone? 50 states have begun process, I believe TX has over 75K signatures.
      There is some hope…

      • sadiemonster

        Cherio, I hope u r right I really have little hope now for a strong sound America!! but continue to be positive we need it!

      • Karolyn

        Secession is a joke, Cherio. They have exceeded the 25,000 sigs. needed to move ahead; but do you seriously believe that a majority of the people in the state would go for it? Never mind the fact that there is no provision for it in the Constitution.
        http://www.naturalnews.com/037961_states_Civil_War_petitions.html

      • Karolyn

        btw – Last I heard there were only 20 states with petitions.

      • eddie47d

        A few things these states (especially Texas) don’t realize they would lose all their Federal military bases and the revenue that goes along with it.They can no longer use the term USA. They would be required to pay various import/Export taxes. They will have separate border guards.Separate “national defense treaties with USA. No federal highway money. Now Texas could paralyze gasoline production because they have the most refineries (1/3) yet they could be built elsewhere like Oklahoma or North Dakota. These States would also have to have the vote of the states people.Which is highly unlikely since most in favor are disgruntled Romney losers or extreme right wingers.

      • Old Henry

        No Karolyn, all 50 states have begun petitions – even the communist enclave Land of Stincoln. Seven have the necessary number of signatures.

        Texas secede? That’s a joke. They have become a bunch of all hat and no cattle.

        Remember when they were going to put a stop to the TSA perverts and the mass murderer Holder and his commie mass murderer side kick Soetoro said they would make TX a no fly zone? They ran like scared rabbits with their tails tucked!

        Don’t mess with Texas my a$$…

      • Marty S.

        As long as they are petitioning their own legislature and Governor and not the White House.

    • Al B Tross

      Since Mr. Livingston failed to cite any references to his assertive essay, here are a couple of real, peer reviewed , empirical studies, one a 30 year study into the Authoritarian followers mind, and it’s link with Sociopathic leaders.
      The other a study to the SDO, the Social Dominator, the feared sociopathic leader Mr. Livinston refers to.

      The third link is to the source of Ayn Rands inspiration for her hero in “The Fountainhead” and the philosophy in “Atlas Shrugged”

      Just remember, unbiased, data driven scientific studies often lead to uncomfortable truths.

      http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_dominance_orientation#SDO_Scale

      See Pratto, F., J. Sidanius, L. M. Stallworth, and B.F. Malle, 1994. “Social
      Dominance Orientation: A Personality Variable Predicting Social and Political
      Attitudes.” Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 67, 741-763.

      http://www.alternet.org/story/145819/ayn_rand,_hugely_popular_author_and_inspiration_to_right-wing_leaders,_was_a_big_admirer_of_serial_killer

  • Deerinwater

    Too late, Mr Livingston, the 2008 bailout kept them in business.

    • DaveH

      That Bailout was administered and continued under the Obama administration. Funny I’ve never heard you complain about that fact, Deer.

      • Deerinwater

        David, just exactly what time did you walk into this bad movie?

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troubled_Asset_Relief_Program

        There is you first 700 million of tax payers money that refused to allow rich people to be poor, regardless of what they had done.

        And it did not have anything to do with Bronco Bama. `

        Has that money ever been recovered and accounted for? While corporate bankers rewarded staff with “Performance Bonuses” as late as 2009.

        As far as Obama auto bail outs, ~ that saved over a million jobs over a 5 state area as a nation we circled the drain and they are paying it back and experiencing robust recovery.

        I know you want to forget the bottom fell out in late 2008 and continued to fall out for 1 year all set in motion by the previous administration, but the history is there for you to accept or ignore. But how could you call yourself wise and ignore it?

      • Vicki

        Deerinwater says:
        “There is you first 700 million of tax payers money that refused to allow rich people to be poor, regardless of what they had done.

        And it did not have anything to do with Bronco Bama.”

        The trouble with facts is that they are stubborn. Obama DID have (alot) to do with TARP and worse yet the things He did with TARPx.

        “Record as Senator

        In addition to voting for the TARP program, Senator Obama spoke on the Senate floor in support of the program. In that speech, he urged his fellow Senators to “step up to the plate” and do the right thing in passing the legislation.”

        http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Profiles/President/US/Barack_Obama/Views/TARP/

        From the same link above we find:
        ” As seem in the chart below, almost 90% of the funds issued by President Bush have been returned while less than 10% of the money issued by President Obama has been returned.”

        Oh and lest we forget in our zeal to ignore facts, Democrats were in control of the House and Senate during TARP. Had Democrats been serious about not liking TARP they could have easily stopped it in the House or Senate. And proof that Republicans are not your friend either, Republicans could have easily stopped it by filibuster in the Senate.

        • Deerinwater

          Excellent response Vicky !

          Second House vote, October 3

          263 yea – 171 nay
          The revised HR1424 was received from the Senate by the House, and on October 3, it voted 263-171 to enact the bill into law. Democrats voted 172 to 63 in favor of the legislation, while Republicans voted 108 to 91 against it; overall, 33 Democrats and 24 Republicans who had previously voted against the bill supported it on the second vote.[6][12]
          President Bush signed the bill into law within hours of its enactment, creating a $700 billion dollar Treasury fund to purchase failing bank assets.[151]
          The revised plan left the $700 billion bailout intact and appended a stalled tax bill.[145] The law has three major divisions, Division A: the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008; Division B: Energy Improvement and Extension Act of 2008, and Division C: the Tax Extenders and Alternative Minimum Tax Relief Act of 2008.[6] The tax part of the law has provisions that will have a net expenditure of $100 billion over 10 years.

          “It had been stalled due to a disagreement between Democrats that did not want to increase spending without a corresponding increase in taxes and Republicans, who were adamantly opposed to any tax increases.”

          So the GOP had it their way, once again. The GOP willing to give money away without funding it.

          Obama’s vote being just one of 263 casting an up vote to prevent wealthy people from not being wealthy.

          Never mind this economic collapse occurs at the end of a 8 years GOP term with a rubber stamp AG office, an asleep that the switch Securities and Exchange Commission and two protracted, unfunded wars to no where. While the only thing republican’s could think to say was “Drill Baby Drill.” or “Country First” however your memory serves you.

      • victoryintruth

        Yeah, and GM is now operating out of China. We REALLY rescued them, didn’t we? Businesses cannot afford to stay in this country that’s been run and continues to be run by a shadow government.

      • DaveH

        Yes it is a bad movie, Deer, and your beloved Obama was an actor in it:
        http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Economy/story?id=6638175&page=1#.ULPLSeSzjlc

      • DaveH

        Obama Stimulus Spending so far:
        http://padminiarhant.com/?p=2024

        Only $2 Trillion. Just a drop in the bucket at $6451 per person in the US, or $20,000 per average family in the US. Did you get yours? I didn’t.

      • DaveH

        Deer says — “As far as Obama auto bail outs, ~ that saved over a million jobs over a 5 state area as a nation we circled the drain and they are paying it back and experiencing robust recovery”.
        Over a million jobs? Then something must have gone terribly wrong in those other states because the Employment numbers in January 2009 when Obama took off were 133,561,000, and in the most recent month of actual Employment numbers (August 2012) they were 133,436,000. That’s an overall JOB LOSS of 125,000, Deer.
        And I sure do get tired of hearing about how many jobs would have been lost without Obama, Deer, because unless you’ve been to a parallel universe without Obama in the last 4 years, there is no way to prove what you claim.

      • Deerinwater

        “General Motors Company, the world’s largest automaker, traces its roots back to 1908. With its global headquarters in Detroit, GM does business in some 120 countries. The General Motors-China relationship dates back more than eight decades. GM China’s vision is together with its partners to be the best automotive group in China.

        GM has 11 joint ventures and two wholly owned foreign enterprises as well as more than 35,000 employees in China. GM, along with its joint ventures, offers the broadest lineup of vehicles and brands among automakers in China. Products are sold under the Baojun, Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, Opel, Wuling and Jiefang nameplates. In 2011, domestic sales of vehicles by GM and its joint ventures jumped 8.3 percent on an annual basis to 2,547,203 units. It has been the sales leader among global automakers in China for seven consecutive years.”

        So there you have it ~ GM -China relations is 80 years old. ~ Have you every traveled abroad? ~ I know that Asia has had their scaled down Fords and Chevy’s since the 60′s.

    • Jibbs

      Too bad GM and others have not payed back the tax payers.

      • Walter & Renee Agard

        Then you’ve heard wrong,or getting the wrong info…Do some more research.

      • Chester

        Jibbs, is kind of funny how GM and Chrysler and all those banks are still sitting on all that bailout money? NOT!! GM has officially paid back all that was advanced, while Uncle still holds some non-voting stock, waiting for the price to go up to a more than decent level to sell out. Most of the banks have paid back what they got, and Chrysler, as I understand it, owes Uncle nothing. Will say NOTHING for those guys who worked the hedge funds and took the banks where they were employed for a monstrous ride down into the lower levels of Hades.

      • momo

        Hey Chester GM stock is a little over 25 today, for the taxpayers to break even it needs to get to 53. I wonder how long we’re going to wait for that to happen, don’t hold your breath.

      • DaveH

        Here’s mine, agard and Chester. Where’s yours?
        http://reason.org/news/show/gm-phony-bailout-payback

      • DaveH
      • DaveH
      • Meteorlady

        So Jibbs – did some research and as of 7/12:

        GM owes $27 billion on the nearly $50 billion it received from the auto bailout and Ally Bank, the company’s lending arm, owes $14.7 billion of the $17.2 billion taxpayer-funded bailout it received.

        GM’s stock has plummeted in recent months after stagnant development in overseas markets. It hit a new low on Wednesday, falling to $18.80, a 52 percent drop from its January 2011 high of $38.90.

        The rapid decline of the stock price has kept taxpayers on the hook for billions in unpaid bailout dollars. The stock would need to make a quick—and meteoric—turnaround for taxpayers to break even.

        “In order to recoup its total investment in GM, Treasury will need to recover an additional $27 billion in proceeds. This translates to an average of $53.98 per share on its remaining common shares in New GM,” the IG report concluded.

      • Vicki

        Another bit of info on who paid back what and when.

        “A vast majority of that money (TARP1) has been repaid by the financial institutions that received them. The loan to GM was repaid, but some money from the GM bailout remains.”

        Now lets look at the TARPx programs from obama.
        “Of the funds issued by President Obama, almost none of them have been issued to the programs originally designed through TARP. Most of the funds issued by President Obama have gone to home ownership programs and the bailout of GM through stock purchases. ”

        Look GM got bailed out twice. And obama changed the design of TARP.

        Now lets look at the overall payback

        “As seem in the chart below, almost 90% of the funds issued by President Bush have been returned while less than 10% of the money issued by President Obama has been returned.”

        Link to the report (including chart) quoted in pieces above:
        http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/Profiles/President/US/Barack_Obama/Views/TARP/

      • Jibbs

        Walter & Renee Agard says:
        November 26, 2012 at 9:23 am
        Then you’ve heard wrong,or getting the wrong info…Do some more research.

        Chester says:
        November 26, 2012 at 9:25 am
        Jibbs, is kind of funny how GM and Chrysler and all those banks are still sitting on all that bailout money? NOT!! GM has officially paid back all that was advanced, while Uncle still holds some non-voting stock, waiting for the price to go up to a more than decent level to sell out. Most of the banks have paid back what they got, and Chrysler, as I understand it, owes Uncle nothing. Will say NOTHING for those guys who worked the hedge funds and took the banks where they were employed for a monstrous ride down into the lower levels of Hades.
        ……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………

        http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/16/news/companies/gm_bailout/index.htm
        Try doing some research on your own, this is from Feb. but they still owe us money.

        But while the automakers are all posting strong results, taxpayers are still on the hook for billions of dollars. Taxpayers fell $1.3 billion short on the Chrysler bailout and are still waiting for $25.5 billion back on the GM deal. In total, the companies received about $60 billion between them.

        And, particularly in the case of GM (GM, Fortune 500), it seems unlikely the taxpayer will be made whole anytime soon. Treasury holds 500 million shares of GM stock, those represent about one third of the company and if sold at today’s prices, they would be worth about $13 billion.

      • Deerinwater

        “Hey Chester GM stock is a little over 25 today, for the taxpayers to break even it needs to get to 53. I wonder how long we’re going to wait for that to happen, don’t hold your breath.”

        If they had went bankrupt what would they be holding today?

        It’s venture capitalism and gains are never promised but hoped for, ~ sounds like we help cut their losses. .

        If it wasn’t for a million Americans being unemployed , it would never had happened and you know it. ~ We could not afforded such a loss at that point in time, ~not with vets coming home and looking for work. It’s easier and cheaper to save a job then create one.

        Government is in the climate control business, ~ Bad climate, no harvest. Please don’t go simple minded about important things such as “opportunities” for all working American, that raise families and pay taxes. Unemployed American’s can’t pay taxes.

        It was a no brainer, unless you are a Vulture like Mitt Romney that would swoop down and buy it at 10 and then break it up and sell it off, putting America out of the automobile business as a world leader.

      • Vicki

        Deerinwater says:
        ” “Hey Chester GM stock is a little over 25 today, for the taxpayers to break even it needs to get to 53. I wonder how long we’re going to wait for that to happen, don’t hold your breath.”

        If they had went bankrupt what would they be holding today? ”

        IF they (GM) and gone bankrupt, they (the taxpayer) would have $53 times the number of shares that the government got when it squandered all that money on a lost cause.

        Someone would have gotten a lot of used capital equipment at greatly reduced cost for their own entrepreneurial business which would greatly increase their chance of success.

        • Deerinwater

          Maybe ~ and what about the nation?

        • Deerinwater

          That is kind of like saying Hurricane Sandy was good for business. Total Devastation for many and a gold mine for a few as we worship the all mighty dollar.

          You don’t have to approve of this type of leadership Vicki but you need to accept the fact that many of us do and support the president and his decision for all the reasons we deem as sound judgement on behalf of all Americans and not just a few.

          When my brother hurts, I hurt.

    • eddie47d

      Funny how we never hear Dave H admit the enormous mistakes made under the previous administration and how the Capitalists/Banksters on Wall Street brought us this economic doozie. Funny how you expect “Deer” to blink but never demand it from your fellow Conservatives. If you want to continue to make personal attacks against “Deer” or others then be honest with yourself about “Conservative” denials.

      • rabidconservative

        Eddie – leftists in the senate and the house (2006-2008) forced banks to lend 100s of billions to people they new would not pay it back. What nation can withstand that loss? That money is gone. Property values have plummeted. The left accomplished it’s mission – destroy our capitalist system. It is so simple to win elections: make life impossible without government handouts and then reap the votes of grateful recipients. Be truthful now, are you too on the dole?

      • DaveH

        What’s funny (or at least predictable), Eddie, is how you constantly put words in my mouth.
        Unlike you, I haven’t bought into the Two Party Paradigm, and unlike you I know that not all Wall Street Bankers are bad.
        And I have railed constantly about the Crony Capitalists (that includes Bankers you know) who use Their Politician Cronies to get special protections from Free Market Competition.
        You of all people, Eddie (the board Troll), know that since you are here almost daily pestering us with your nonsense.

      • Meteorlady

        Eddie – funny how you never blame Clinton for the entire mess. Fair Housing, repeal of Glass-Steagall, various one sided trade agreements, appointment of two crooks to run Fannie and Freddie and his push to loan everyone money for a home? Why not bring that up. also you might look to YouTube to see GWB in front of the Senate Banking Committee asking for over-sight on Fannie, Freddie and the housing market….

        I will grant that GWB did spend a lot of money, but he tried and he was ignored. He even went before the Senate – no one did anything. In fact Barney and Chris told him everything was just fine and Fannie and Freddie didn’t need over-sight or investigation.

        Meanwhile the crooks appointed by Clinton walked away with over $100 MILLION In unearned and illegal bonuses thanks to the “new accounting” practices the introduced to make them look good. They were never prosecuted and in the case of Franklin Raines, he only had to give up is stock (which was worthless) and he walked with all that money, our money because we had to bail them out.

      • http://yahoo Charles Arthur Williams

        Rabid you have bought the Big Business lie to blame the crash on the homeowner’s !
        It was the fraud and consolidation of all the risk in fraudulent securities that brought the world markets down ! ( the BBC has a good video on “Where did the money go !) Both party’s got their hands dirty on the crash !

        Ask yourself one question ! If it was all because of mortgages, how did the banks make money when we had 4 times as many failed mortgages in the 2 years after the crash than the 8 years before ?

      • DaveH

        The Housing Boom and Bust, like all Booms and Busts, started with profligate money creation by the Federal Reserve, and then was aggravated by various Governmental Banking regulations (e.g. CRA) and other Government meddling in the Marketplace:
        http://archive.mises.org/10239/the-housing-boom-and-bust/

      • Dave67

        Eddie,

        The economy crashed in 2008 and we have many to thank.

        Ronald Reagan and those Congresses for banking deregulation and continuing to sell out our manufacturing base.
        Bill Clinton and those congresses for Housing deregulation, further banking deregulation, speculatory oil deregulation, allowing bad trade deals with China.
        George W Bush for utter incompetence in enforcing what rules there were left and his SEC allowing 30-1 bets to be made with no care about the consequences.

        Both parties are to blame. The one person that has the most to do with the mess? Phill Gramm (Traitor from TX)… Gramm-Ruddman, Getting rid of Glass Steegal, loosening speculatory oil regs were under his authorship.

        DaveH is a phony and will only blame the people he disagrees with… The bad things did not start in 2006 when the GOP lost Congress… Most of the bad stuff happened under their watch because nothing erodes a good country like a long election cycle and big money in the process.

      • eddie47d

        The government didn’t force anyone to make those loans and Fannie and Freddie only made suggestions that the housing markets be opened to all. The private banksters bit into that apple but instead of verifying each homeowner they bundled the loans. Those private companies also put in a clause that the government cover any loan loss. That means the private companies snockered the government knowing someone will be covering for them.The government was too stupid to realize they had been had. The Banksters won and the taxpayers lost thanks to that trick accounting.

      • DaveH

        More ad hominem attacks from the useless Liberal Progressive, Dave67.
        What else can we expect?
        Thinking people will read the articles I link to, Dave67. Non-thinking people will vote for more Progressives like yourself.

      • DaveH

        Dave67 says — “…deregulation……deregulation…..deregulation….”.
        Yet there is more regulation now than ever before in our history. Obviously Dave67 doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about:
        http://www.scribd.com/doc/93023823/Wayne-Crews-10-000-Commandments-2012

      • JeffH

        eddie, what else is new from you: “Capitalists/Banksters on Wall Street”? The same words, a few new ones, and the same talking points for 3+ years…you’re a beloved “usefull” shill for the sociopathic PTB…until you’re no longer usefull.

        There are some people who, if they don’t already know, you can’t tell ‘em.
        - Yogi Berra

        There is no doubt that our elected leaders(both parties), with few exceptions, are all sociopaths. Unfortunately, we may never be able to do anything about it or change it in our lifetime but that doesn’t mean we should all keep quiet and follow them blindly.

      • JeffH

        DaveH, have you ever had the inkling that the intellectual moron and self proclaimed progressive Dave67 may have an alter ego…RBT? Just a gut feeling.

      • Dave67

        DaveH lies again…

        There were far more regulation in 1962 on business, money and life than today and DaveH knows it. But that won’t stop DaveH from trying to convince himself otherwise.

      • DaveH

        Dave67 is getting desperate. I must be really stirring up the shill room.
        The number of pages in the Federal Register in 1962 was 13,226.
        The number of pages in the Federal Register in 2011 was 82,419.
        http://www.llsdc.org/attachments/wysiwyg/544/fed-reg-pages.pdf

      • DaveH

        Don’t know, JeffH. He could be one of Flashman’s multiple personalities, or maybe they just all work in the same shilling office and are desperately exchanging adolescent manipulative techniques in their efforts to keep us from informing readers how their kind are taking advantage of us all.
        http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread826545/pg1&addstar=1&on=13829871#pid13829871

      • DaveH

        What’s funny, Jeff, is that the more they attack me, the more the readers will get curious and investigate what the stir is all about. And those whose blinders are still firmly glued on will learn concepts that they hitherto were unaware of, so sometime in the future when things start coming unglued they will remember what we taught them and finally remove those blinders.
        Bottom Line — Dave67 and his fellow shills are giving our cause a tremendous boost.

      • http://yahoo Charles Arthur Williams

        Dave H you refuse to see the truth ! I’ve worked in the Housing Industry for over 40
        years ! The Housing Market was correcting itself as far back as 05 ! In 06 it peaked and was steadily coming down, google the numbers !

        The Fraud in the Financial Markets with a unregulated Derivative Markets, ( in 05 they knew there was a problem when Greece went to withdraw its investments and it wasn’t there ) Then you had the Big banks and Mortgage houses pooled together their highest risk mortgages together and had S&P come in and rate them AAA securities, and sold them to long term investors like pension funds and retirement accounts. While they insured these fraudulent securities and sold these insurance instraments, sometimes the same one multiple times into the black box of the Derivatives Markets

        Thats what brought the house of cards down !.

      • Dave67

        Charles,

        DaveH is a genius… Just ask him and JeffH. They will tell you….

        He has so little clue about so much. What would DaveH do without the mises.org nonsense?

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Dave67,

          You write: “What would DaveH do without the mises.org nonsense?” Following is a list of just a few of the scholars at the Ludwig von Mises Institute:
          Walter Block, Ph.D. in Economics, Columbia University. Author, editor and co-editor of many books and articles.
          John P. Cochran is the dean of the School of Business and a professor of economics at the Metropolitan State College of Denver.
          Thomas James DiLorenzo is professor of economics at Loyola University He is the author or co-author of 10 books, on subjects such as antitrust, group-interest politics, and interventionism generally.
          David Gordon is a philosopher, historian, and senior fellow. He was educated at UCLA, where he earned his PhD in intellectual history. He is author of three books and editor and co-editor of two publications and regular contributor to many more.
          Jeffrey M. Herbener is a professor of economics at Grove City College and a senior fellow.
          Hans-Hermann Hoppe (b. 1949) is Professor Emeritus of Economics at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas and Distinguished Fellow.
          Jörg Guido Hülsmann (born May 18, 1966) is a professor of economics at the University of Angers in France and adherent of the Austrian School. He has edited six books and is the author of two more. He has translated several renowned economics books into German and written many articles in English, French, and German. He is a contributor to scholarly journals and is the director of the Austrian Research Seminar in Paris.
          Joseph T. Salerno is a professor at Pace University, an editor of the Quarterly Journal of Austrian Economics, and Academic Vice President of the Mises Institute. Salerno specializes in monetary theory and policy, comparative economics, and the history of economic thought.
          Thomas E. Woods, Jr. (born August 1, 1972) is an American historian and New York Times bestselling author. He holds a Bachelor’s Degree from Harvard University and a Ph.D. in history from Columbia University. He served as a history department faculty member at Suffolk County Community College in New York until 2006, and is now resident scholar and senior faculty member of the Ludwig von Mises Institute (LvMI) in Auburn, Alabama, as well as a member of the editorial board for Libertarian Papers[2].
          He was an ISI Richard M. Weaver Fellow in 1995–96. [3] Woods was also the recipient of the 2004 O.P. Alford III Prize for Libertarian Scholarship and of an Olive W. Garvey Fellowship from the Independent Institute in 2003. He has additionally been awarded two Humane Studies Fellowships and a Claude R. Lambe Fellowship from the Institute for Humane Studies at George Mason University. Woods is co-editor of Exploring American History: From Colonial Times to 1877, an eleven-volume encyclopedia

          There are many more. Please, Dave67, tell us your credentials. What are your degrees? What books have you edited or authored? a partial list will suffice. At what universities do you teach or hold fellowships? What scholarly journals have you contributed to?

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • Dave67

        DaveH writes:

        The number of pages in the Federal Register in 1962 was 13,226.
        The number of pages in the Federal Register in 2011 was 82,419.
        http://www.llsdc.org/attachments/wysiwyg/544/fed-reg-pages.pdf
        ———————

        Have you read all these DaveH? I am betting you haven’t.

        The Gramm-Biliey-Leach act which was the act that dismantled Glass-Steegal is part of that 82K pages… oops

        How about tax rates? How were they in 1962?

        http://elsa.berkeley.edu/~saez/course/Labortaxes/taxableincome/taxableincome_attach.pdf

        oops

        Please stop trying to fool the softheads here that buy your BS.

        Just stop.

      • Dave67

        Bob,

        That is certainly a list of people with credentials….

        But what does that have to do with the link DaveH presents having precious little to do with the subject being discussed? Any thoughts there?

        DaveH can never say but maybe you can. How does getting the Gov out of business regulation get the incidences of pricing collusion and mergers to create monopolies to cease?

        How does multiple currencies and multiple types of gov and economic systems impact the United States of America, the Avg wage in the country and buying power of the poor and middle class (since it is they, not the wealthy that drive the consumption based economy we have transformed to since 1970)?

        See DaveH never answers the questions… He provides a link and that link may go off into a completely different tangent.

        So Bob… Maybe you can do what DaveH can’t.

        Go ahead… the floor is yours.

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Dave67,

          You called information presented by the Ludwig von Mises Institute nonsense. Please answer my question to you regarding your credentials before posing questions to me.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Dave67,

          You write: ” How does getting the Gov out of business regulation get the incidences of pricing collusion and mergers to create monopolies to cease?” Why are you asking me to support an argument I have not made?

          You write: “How does multiple currencies and multiple types of gov and economic systems impact the United States of America, the Avg wage in the country and buying power of the poor and middle class (since it is they, not the wealthy that drive the consumption based economy we have transformed to since 1970)?” In America there is but one currency (fiat) and one type of government. I do not understand this question.

          You still have not answered my question regarding your credentials.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        Funny how we never hear you mention the fact that the same crony-capitalists that worked under the Bush, are now working under the Obama administration, Eddie! Why is that, Eddie?

      • eddie47d

        That is fairly easy Jay.. Walker. Both the Democrats and the Republicans enjoy the privileges from the multitude of crony capitalists who operate in our country. Neither party wants to bite the hand that feed them.

      • Dave67

        Bob,

        I explained the context on why I said “nonsense”. In lieu of actual debate…DaveH sends links to location that may or may not have anything to do with the subject being discussed. From what I read at mises.org… They have their theories just like others have and make assumptions like all others.

        I know that monopolies do not happen just because of conditions put forth by Gov regs as DaveH contends.

        I guess I know things on the economy by seeing the results of doing business with countries that pay their workers .30 on the dollar for the same widget.

        Now can you answer my questions? They are fairly simple to answer.

        Please… can you answer?

      • DaveH

        Dave67,
        You can’t even spell “Glass-Steegal”, and you expect anybody to believe that you know anything about it?
        Glass-Steagall was a political ploy (as most regulations are) by the Rockefeller Group to hobble the Morgan Group and to give the Federal Reserve more power to print counterfeit fiat money (by allowing the Federal Reserve to use Government Securities (in addition to Gold) as collateral for Federal Reserve notes.
        Read “Meyer in the Hoover Administration” (page 286):
        http://mises.org/Books/historyofmoney.pdf

        Better yet, read the whole book.

      • DaveH

        Dave67 says — “I know that monopolies do not happen just because of conditions put forth by Gov regs as DaveH contends”.
        I’m not quite sure what you’re trying to say in your Pigeon English, Dave67, see below for what I know.
        The only way that Monopolies can exist is by Force of Government. Monopolies can’t exist in Free Markets.
        Here Thomas DiLorenzo talks about the only kind of Monopoly that has ever existed in this country (excluding the Monopoly of Government):
        http://mises.org/daily/5266

      • DaveH

        Here is a thorough treatment of the concepts of Monopoly and Competition by Murray Rothbard:
        http://mises.org/rothbard/mes/chap10a.asp

        I’m not posting this for Dave67, because it would be way over his comprehension level, but others might enjoy it.

      • Dave67

        DaveH,

        Once again… I read this link and its crazy to believe that mergers and monopolies can’t exist without the Gov. I explained it before…. One firm has a better assembly line, the next company has a better delivery systems to customers? Why not combine forces to create a better firm and to take more market share?

        Do you have a clear answer?

        This process then happens again and again and then they have the power to do special costing deals with parts manufacturers due to volume… Then they have a price advantage… especially if they get gov’s like China to go along. So then they have the ability to price competitors out of the market or at the very least collude with them to maintain pricing levels…

        So please… sorry if I am at work at my spelling isn’t perfect for you but you as they say are full of crap and so it this theory.

      • DaveH

        Charles says — “The Fraud in the Financial Markets with a unregulated Derivative Markets”.
        Unregulated Derivative Markets? All Financial Markets are heavily regulated. And I’m betting, Charles, that you don’t even know what a Derivative is. And you most certainly couldn’t tell me why they caused the collapse, as you claim.
        http://archive.mises.org/8567/a-problem-of-regulation/

      • DaveH

        Name a single monopoly that has ever existed, Dave67, without Government aid?
        You can jawbone all day long about the possibility, Dave67, but the truth is that nobody would fear a monopoly if the definition consisted solely of those firms which produced the cheapest and best products. When the scare word of Monopoly is tossed about it isn’t about those firms, it is about the mythical firm that controls all production and prices of a particular product at a disadvantage to the consumers.
        If a company had the most productive workers and machinery, and by some stretch of the imagination no other company could possibly imitate that efficient productivity, why would anybody in their right mind concern themselves, since that “monopoly” would be producing the best goods at the cheapest prices?
        Of course the claim of “monopoly” goes far beyond that and, as typical for Progressives, all sorts of unfounded claims of damage are made by those who simply can’t compete and thus seek the protection from Government so they can continue in existence at the expense of both their customers and taxpayers.

        By the way, Dave67. Have you answered Bob’s question yet?

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear DaveH,

          You write: “By the way, Dave67. Have you answered Bob’s question yet?” He has not yet answered these questions posed to him:
          “Please, Dave67, tell us your credentials. What are your degrees? What books have you edited or authored? a partial list will suffice. At what universities do you teach or hold fellowships? What scholarly journals have you contributed to?”

          Or responded to this: “Please point out where the word ‘liberal’ was used. Please point out where ‘conservatives’ were exempted.”

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • Cherio

        DaveH is always right….Both parties have built the cliff and want to throw us off…

      • Cherio

        Dave 67 is funny!

      • Dave67

        DaveH,

        Its because the Gov has to regulate business to some degree and that degree is up for debate. Its typical of your arguments. Can you name a country in the industrialized world that doesn’t have government interference in business? No…Therefore Gov presides over monopolies in its domain.

        And I did answer Bob’s question and its context.

        You are so hung up on theory, you can’t see the world as it has been and as it is today.

      • DaveH

        Dave67 says — “Its because the Gov has to regulate business to some degree and that degree is up for debate”.
        The Government has to regulate business? Because you say so, Dave67? What are your credentials to make such claims? You still haven’t answered Bob’s question. Surely you can just make something up, can’t you?
        Dave67 says — “Can you name a country in the industrialized world that doesn’t have government interference in business?”.
        No, Dave67. But I’m not arguing that there is such a thing. You, on the other hand, are arguing that monopolies would exist without Government.

      • GALT

        Hi Bob,

        Who could have ever IMAGINED what a propitious day this would become, long overdue……and who can say, but in terms of possibly improving the the quality and productivity of the “rhetoric” on P.L D. and a more beneficial result ( for all concerned ) I wish to thank you for your particular “insertion” at this point….in today’s discussion?

        BTW I would like to point out that since we have NOT spoken directly to one another for quite some time, I appreciate your removing me from the………..comment awaiting review list……for my criticism of your “staph writers”……and because you have been to this point a person of “integrity” with regards to the “standards” which you have listed as to the guidelines for being allowed to participate in your forum.

        I imagine that for you, this has been somewhat difficult and is no doubt a mystery for the “usual suspects”, but then ” as a man of faith”, between you and I, the character of Pontious Pilate comes to mind, purely on a matter of principle…….and I respect your integrity in this regard. ( for the “w.i.f.i.” the relevant focus is on “principle”… and not the “religious context”…….by which Pilate ( under oath ) was forced …( by integrity ) to render his verdict.)

        You also know that I know you be a person of intelligence, and that I believe you to be a “moral” person……in that I do NOT believe that you would seek to intentionally do harm to others, for personal gain…………if fact I believe that “intentional harm” is not the motive of “anyone” who posts here…..since they would be out doing it, rather………post here* ( refers to YOU….and those responding to P.L.D. )

        Which bring us ( you and I ) and eveyone else, to the point of THIS POST. (” at last”, say you all, for different reaons….I’m sure. )

        So let us begin…………………….

        Dave67 says:
        November 26, 2012 at 12:12 pm
        Charles, DaveH is a genius… Just ask him and JeffH. They will tell you….He has so little clue about so much. What would DaveH do without the mises.org nonsense?

        to which you respond…….

        Bob Livingston says:
        November 26, 2012 at 12:21 pm

        Dear Dave67,

        You write: “What would DaveH do without the mises.org nonsense?” Following is a list of just a few of the scholars at the Ludwig von Mises Institute:

        list of credentialed writers at von mises

        There are many more. Please, Dave67, tell us your credentials. What are your degrees? What books have you edited or authored? a partial list will suffice. At what universities do you teach or hold fellowships? What scholarly journals have you contributed to?
        Best wishes,
        Bob

        Again, Bob, I am forced to render apologies and explanations, before even attempting an intelligent response to the previous exchange.

        As you know, I have designated DavidH and his “cohorts” which one might mistake for “your cohorts” or dare I say it “cult”……. as

        “willfully ignorant, functional illiterates”

        which I have as you can plainly see, actually DARED TO SAY.

        Unlike most here, on either side, I know that ultimately this is….for YOU……

        “not personal, strictly business.”

        and if I am judging you correctly by what I have seen so far, with the best of intentions……..

        but ( just for fun ) the road to hell is paved with “good intentions”.
        In life, and here, people tend to see and hear, what they wish to see and hear………………..

        So, Bob…..what do you think they are actually seeing or hearing?
        What do you think DavidH is hearing? A defense of him?

        Actually I don’t blame you….he is exactly what I have described…..yet you cleverly try to walk this fine line…..and defend his source…..
        von mises………with a list of authorities “on economics”……

        which might matter if “economic’s” had any authority as an actual subject………….it doesn’t……..and you should know the list of MY sources…….which include “economists”…….

        and then to complete this illusion ( after the logical fallacy….Jay? ) you ask these questions regarding credentials………

        So you Bob, have probably produced the very longest response….in total letter content ( volume )…….to suggest an illusionary defense…….using a logical fallacy……hoping that no one would notice? While saying NOTHING at all………SERIOUSLY????????

        ( things change….adapt……overcome! )

        Sorry DavidH ( et al ), but reality strikes hard……and at some point in your life you are going to have to grow up and BECOME, that which you have been “allowed to believe” you actually are. ( and there is so little time left ; for you specifically and us in general )

        BTW it is impossible defend DAVIDH…..and his use of von mises which deals with a subject which has no authority…….

        Anyway Bob, I want to thank you for presenting me with this opportunity for us to speak directly……..I hope you don’t mind my raising these “questions”………..

        “You will know them by the company they keep.”

        “Strength and honor.” ( beats ‘best wishes’….which seems “lucky”….and the time for THAT has passed. )

        P.S. I noticed that in the time it took for me to “compose” this…….you seemed to have doubled down…….

        Do you think it is moral for the strong to prey on the weak based on their “ignorance”
        and the threat of the “imagined power” you have over them?

        • Frank Kahn

          more pure BS I see, whatever your real name is.

          your definition of Willfully Ignorant and functionally Illiterate must be in a personal dictionary that is not recognized by humans.

          By normal standards and definition it is actually you who are willfully ignorant and possibly functionally illiterate. I can give solid reasons and proof of these statements but we all know that a sociopath like you will neither understand or agree.

      • DaveH

        Thank you, Galt, for giving the readers a real life example of Bob’s target subjects.

      • GALT

        As previously mentioned, I have been unaware of the “events” while in the state of “composition” but since these are both “arrogant” and “incomprehensible”…..for most of you…..please ignore this introduction……

        Bob, prior to my hitting “post” I had not seen your response to DavidH……..POI for FYI

        Also due to the particular subject of this thread…..The C.F.R… and “other” particular’s,
        I, having to be particularly attentive to every nuance of what I was attempting to say…
        forgot to post that which was relevant ………

        Once again, I am forced to refer to DavidH, and his comments regarding the numbers, as it concerns the C,F,R,…….

        The R does NOT mean regulation, ( it’s where you find them ) and the size is therefor non sequitur….at least in the sense that it is attempted by DavidH, as intended……

        And what would life be here at P.L.D. without such attempts……so

        http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/tutorial/050.pdf

        I forgot to leave THAT…..

        but I have left this 26 CFR 31.3402 ( p)

        which IS an “implementing regulation” and NOT to be confused with the
        NON EXISTING……health care mandate……which has no statutory authority
        or a “regulation”……….

        BTW just in case you missed it…….while the federal register is where you find the REGULATIONS…….size is irrelevant……….( hopefully David doesn’t view this
        as a threat to his masculinity )

        One final question for any of the usual suspects……what was the SIZE of the CFR
        in 1900…….?

        Just for fun…..the Federal Reserve Act was 32 pages long……..

        “Strength and Honor”……..

      • GALT

        DavidH you are most welcome………and there is NO NEED to thank me……

        “I am…….an e.i. P.L.F. and I am here to help.”

        I have told you from the beginning I am not your enemy………..and I will help
        YOU if you are what you claim to be……

        Unfortunately, so far in your case, “da meat, don’t match da motion.”, if you get my
        drift……….

        You have been given a free ride here…….of course this is not an educational site,
        nor did it do anything more than “suggest” that it might have a more benevolent
        purpose………..

        For as long as I have been here, you have yet to offer one single post or fact that
        is on any use, to anyone…….

        Bob offers freebies all the time……chicken soup for colds………etc.

        I have given YOU explicit directions to stop that hand from being in your pocket,
        which should shut you up completely…….if you could pull it off….or dared to TRY……..because my impression is that you are pretty much about you
        ……and I actually think that is cool.. but my problem is…….you don’t think YOU
        being you is cool……and I don’t blame you….
        you actually SUCK at being YOU………at that my friend is pretty pathetic…..

        Still…..today is the first day of the rest of your life……..

        but there are only so many days………how many do you have left?

        “Strength and Honor.”

        Your bettest and goodest buddy, GALT

      • GALT

        Hi Frank…..nice to see you……and speaking of “willfully ignorant, functional illiterates”, were you “volunteering” as an example of?????????

        The reason I say this is that…….none of what I have had to say to is addressed to you.

        Who they are addressed to, what they are about, and whom they may be referring to,
        should be fairly clear to someone who is NOT a “willfully ignorant, functional illiterate”.

        But these days…..you can not BE……too careful?

        There are those among us that do have “special needs”, but I had thought that YOU
        would be too proud to actually reveal that you were or would even allow yourself to be considered as one………

        One of the key aspects of existence and it’s continuation, is knowing where you are,
        and what you are doing, and why you are doing it.

        There was a period of 195,000 years when doing it RIGHT meant the difference
        between life and DEATH……..which made the why of it…..irrelevant. Everybody KNEW
        why and the penalty for failure.

        Then things got interesting……….and we GOT LOST!

        I believe that YOU….have gotten lost.

        Unless your name is Bob Livingston………is it?

        • Frank Kahn

          I am not lost, and I DONT CARE who you are talking to. When you spout your willfully ignorant and functionally illiterate tendencies I will point them out.

          You have always failed to engage in intelligent discourse with me and I must assume that you are incapable of understanding the need to do so. You are not what you claim to be.

          I almost laughed myself to apoplexy when I read your lie about being anti-authoritarian.

      • GALT

        Is it me………or do I detect a strange silence……

        Will no one DEFEND those I have Named as “willfully ignorant, functional illiterates”?

        What do you think Dave?

        Take the hint buddy, and UP your game……( as should the rest of you who have not
        been NAMED )

        Also for you on the other side…..I did this because you are at a disadvantage and in
        unfriendly country…….and because I grew up in a country where the “strong” protected the weak…………. ( or at least that was the tale )

        Well as fate would have it, I learned that, that was not true……but you know, I like
        fairy tales……and being the obstinate anti authoritarian sob that I am, and that you all pretend to be………..and having ended up HERE, much to the consternation of everyone concerned……

        You too, need to up your game………I hope I have shown you today that your host is
        a man of ‘integrity’ and true to his word………and while you are in unfriendly and foreign
        lands……..you should “fear no evil”……..

        You may have to be twice as good…….but SERIOUSLY under the circumstances,
        how hard is THAT……really?

        ” for happly ever afterings, than here….in Cam e lot.”

        Don’t blame me…..that was “Lerner and Lowe”.

        My name is GALT….I am an e.i.P.L.F….and I approve this message.

      • Dave67

        DaveH,

        You don’t answer the question because you know the answer. You maintain that monopolies exist due to Gov policy/intervention in the marketplace. That means you believe if the market were left alone, there would be no mergers happening, no price collusion nothing… Everyone would just be happy with their little piece of libertarian capitalism.

        LOL.

        One of these days DaveH, you will actually have to deal with the real world.

        Bob,

        I have no authorships, no papers written… Just real world experience that I know is not valued in DaveH’s or your world apparently. So since DaveH is an intellectual coward… Let me ask you since I have answered your question. Can monopolies exist without gov interference in the the marketplace? Yes or no? What does having free trade agreements with countries like China and 3rd world countries do to wages for United States workers since countries like China do not allow unions or are answerable to the people?

        I answered your nonsensical question, now answer mine because DaveH won’t admit that his theory is a bunch bull.

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Dave67,

          You write: “Can monopolies exist without gov interference in the the marketplace? Yes or no?” No. There has never been a “natural” monopoly. If you believe otherwise, please provide an example of a natural monopoly.

          You write: “What does having free trade agreements with countries like China and 3rd world countries do to wages for United States workers since countries like China do not allow unions or are answerable to the people?” This question is not answerable as posed as there are many other factors in play regarding U.S. wages: ie, regulation, taxation, competition, unemployment rate, available pool of qualified workers, etc. Unions, taxation and regulation are the exact causes that drive U.S. firms to foreign manufacturing facilities.

          You write: “I answered your nonsensical question, now answer mine…” My question was not nonsensical but your attack on the integrity of the scholars at Mises.org was. However, you have still not responded to my challenge to you from a previous post:
          You write: “Bob talks about sociopaths as if it is exclusive to the liberals he loathes.” Please point out where the word “liberal” was used. Please point out where “conservatives” were exempted.

          You write: “…because DaveH won’t admit that his theory is a bunch bull.” Your argument is with DaveH. Not me.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • Dave67

        Bob,

        Lets go through this:

        You write: “Can monopolies exist without gov interference in the the marketplace? Yes or no?” No. There has never been a “natural” monopoly. If you believe otherwise, please provide an example of a natural monopoly.

        I can’t provide that to you because in the industrial age, Gov has always had regulations on business. Its a nonsense question. Do you honestly believe that if such a country existed where the Gov was completely hands off that monopolies would not happen? Where do you come up with this?

        You write: “What does having free trade agreements with countries like China and 3rd world countries do to wages for United States workers since countries like China do not allow unions or are answerable to the people?” This question is not answerable as posed as there are many other factors in play regarding U.S. wages: ie, regulation, taxation, competition, unemployment rate, available pool of qualified workers, etc. Unions, taxation and regulation are the exact causes that drive U.S. firms to foreign manufacturing facilities.

        I disagree, Having free trade with those countries puts downward pressure on wages in this country if they make the same widget because they make it cheaper and it also serves the corporatists in another fashion, it destroys unions in this country. The proof of this is the % of people who are now in unions and the wages that have stagnated in the last 30 years.

        You write: “I answered your nonsensical question, now answer mine…” My question was not nonsensical but your attack on the integrity of the scholars at Mises.org was.

        Context Bob, I was speaking in terms of how DaveH uses it. He doesn’t debate in the real world. He merely presiednt a link that has precious little to do with the subject being debated and we are supposed to bow at his feet in his brilliance. Sorry… I do not buy it. These people you cite, I am sure they are great at teaching theory. I speak from experience.

        However, you have still not responded to my challenge to you from a previous post:
        You write: “Bob talks about sociopaths as if it is exclusive to the liberals he loathes.” Please point out where the word “liberal” was used. Please point out where “conservatives” were exempted.

        Ok, so you were calling conservatives/right wingers to task as well? If that is the case then I was wrong and apologize but you do see why one would think you are aiming this at the left/liberals and Obama. Its what you do….I applaud your personal growth here if you were aiming this at your side as well.

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Dave67,

          You write: “I can’t provide that to you because in the industrial age, Gov has always had regulations on business.” That is not true.

          You write: “Its (sic) a nonsense question.” It seems that every question that you can’t or won’t answer is “nonsense” to you.

          You write: “Do you honestly believe that if such a country existed where the Gov was completely hands off that monopolies would not happen?” Yes. Here is a link for you to read. http://mises.org/daily/5266/The-Myth-of-Natural-Monopoly

          You write: “Where do you come up with this?” Ad ignorantiam. A better question is, in the absence of any historical evidence to support your contention, where do you come up with the idea that it would?

          You write: “I disagree, Having free trade with those countries puts downward pressure on wages in this country if they make the same widget because they make it cheaper and it also serves the corporatists in another fashion, it destroys unions in this country. The proof of this is the % of people who are now in unions and the wages that have stagnated in the last 30 years.” Post-hoc ergo propter hoc.

          You write: “Ok, so you were calling conservatives/right wingers to task as well?” If you remain confused, please read the article again.

          You write: “but you do see why one would think you are aiming this at the left/liberals and Obama.” As they are part of (but not the whole of) the sociopath class, I can see where anyone trapped in the false left/right paradigm would jump to this false conclusion.

          You write: “Its (sic) what you do.” If that is what you think, then you haven’t been paying attention. This will lead you down the road to many more errors in reasoning.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • Dave67

        Sorry Bob, I did not realize….

        I did not realize you buy into the same BS DaveH does…. The “examples” the link cites? 19th century and early 20th century examples of gov aid in monopolies…

        Do you think the economic dynamic has changed somewhat in 100 years?

        I see you drink from the same Kool-Aid DaveH does and that explains alot.

        The link nor you can provide any reason why a company with a better manufacturing system and another company making the same widget but has a better way to bring the item to market can’t and would not merge to have greater market share. (The beginnings of a monopoly in the market)

        I am sure you believe the oil market is a competitive one as well. That is what the theorists like to say. I worked in the industry and I know the collusion that goes on.

        Enjoy your day.

        Dave

  • Ron r

    Except for maybe one definition (?) you have described the right wing of the republican party ,to include Mittens Romney and the ultra right.

    • hipshotpercusion

      Still touting the party line, huh? To me, they are all the same and their motto is…”On my honor to help myself and [expletive deleted] the rest!” That is our political reality.

    • czman75

      You, sir, have a bone loose in your head. The article was describing the “moron in charge” and his ilk. Must have missed Reading Comprehension in school, if you even went…

      • Deerinwater

        or you did.

      • Nobody’s Fool

        czman75, to your comment, Deerinwater replied, “or you did.” Is that not typical of the inanity of the left?? They have no way to defend the Magic Negro, so they just throw out stupid, meaningless comments. Sad that they missed the entire meaning of the Constitution and also the Declaration of Independence. They thought it was the Declaration of DEpendence, and they are forever signing themselves (and us in the process) to be government dependents.

      • http://yahoo Charles Arthur Williams

        czman if you can’t see how that definition also covers Big Business and the Bankster’s also, your way up the denial river without a paddle !

        Sociopaths are not limited to a political party !

      • Deerinwater

        “They have no way to defend the Magic Negro, so they just throw out stupid, meaningless comments.”

        It was a question, ~ that questions the ability of the poster to see issues from more the just one side.

        What any “negro” , magic or otherwise has to do with anything, is unclear to me, while Obama requires no defending, he is the current president and will serve out his term, baring the unforeseen without need of defense.

        But taking you to task, ~ with such an flaming comment, ~ I do enjoy. An idiot attempting to debase a simple comment is quite humorous. You got any more comic relief to offer us?

      • JeffH

        Meteorlady, long time no see! :) In mentioning the Koch boys I thought I’d toss this into the fray.
        http://www.kochfacts.com/kf/

    • Paul

      Right on Ron: I think we have seen quite a few of them this past election season. The Koch’s, Rove, a room full in Boca Raton, etc etc.

      • Meteorlady

        Haven’t been here for awhile but am noticing a trend like other boards. Liberals never give us facts that we can check. They just insults, call names, or mouth comments they have read. They never check facts – if they did they would probably come unhinged since their prime beliefs would be under attack. It’s childish not to read and check facts.

        Only six corporations own most all major new outlets and they are vested in supporting our current government because they make money doing so. In fact a lot of political contributions by those corporations go to Democrats. So your hero Obama was supported by George Soros and Georges is busy betting against the dollar and buying gold and silver. Since he pulls Obama’s strings I’d guess that we night aught to do the same….

      • Meteorlady

        Paul – here’s a link you might be interested in. It’s about Koch Corp. and it’s Wikipedia which I sometimes take with a grain of salt. I am hard pressed to find anything even remotely as bad about them as I can find about George Soros.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_Industries

      • Vicki

        Meteorlady says:
        “Haven’t been here for awhile but am noticing a trend like other boards. Liberals never give us facts that we can check.”

        Welcome back. And we have poked liberals often about the use of the blue link text but they ignore us cause they know they have no evidence for their proofs by bald assertion.

        The name calling etc is all too common in any debate and often from both sides. Poor training as children in public schools. Or simply liberals following Rules for Radicals.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_for_Radicals

      • JeffH

        Meteorlady, welcome back. I posted this comment in the wrong spot so I’ll repost it here.

        This website has a lot of detailed info rebutting the continuous attacks by the progressives shills in the MSM.
        http://www.kochfacts.com/kf/

      • eddie47d

        I suppose someone could dig up a flattering report on the Rothschilds and be 100% truthful also. The problem is that they would leave out the sinister things they did and how his policies changed, for the worse the economic grip the world faced. The Koch’s are still the number one polluter in America and no flowery words can cover up the stench. Their buying into Wisconsin politics and to some degree controlling elections doesn’t garner them a star in heaven either. Now you can keep posting one sided opinions and videos but we see through the “stupid”….if you can grasp that. If not I’ll come back and explain!

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “I suppose someone could dig up a flattering report on the Rothschilds and be 100% truthful also.”

        I suppose someone could. How about you?

        eddie47d: ” The problem is that they would leave out the sinister things they did and how his policies changed, for the worse the economic grip the world faced.”

        By all means hop to it and bring up that report instead. Just the actual act of providing evidence would be a reason for thanksgiving and a wonder to behold. (I’m so bad :) )

      • Karolyn

        The Rothschild Conspiracy debunked:
        http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4311

      • eddie47d

        Thanks Karolyn; The Rothschild’s are one of Jeff H’s favorite bogeymen (along with the Bilderbergs) and they make him look smart in attacking the NWO Elite. Jeff spreads alot of disinformation around to make it look like he is a slayer of the Banksters yet he always comes back to supporting American crooks. So I was poking at him on this one. I admit I use the NWO mantra once in awhile too but mostly in how our own Banksters on Wall Street manipulate the world’s markets. Seems like the Rothschild’s were used and abused by the Nazi’s as much as Soros was. Soros was even hammered by the communists so he got a double header hit. Both families suffered tremendous losses yet remained wealthy.

      • JeffH

        WAS HITLER A ROTHSCHILD?
        Adolf Hitler and the Nazis were created and funded by the Rothschild’s. It was they who arranged for Hitler to come to power through the Illuminati secret societies in Germany like the Thule Society and the Vril Society which they created through their German networks; it was the Rothschild’s who funded Hitler through the Bank of England and other British and American sources like the Rothschild’s Kuhn, Loeb, bank which also funded the Russian Revolution.

        http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/hitler_was_a_rothschild.htm

    • Peter 10-nov-1775

      Actually, it sounds more like the halfrican and his ilk. Takers, not makers.

    • DaveH

      That is exactly what the PTBs want from you, Ron. Mindlessly Chant for your favorite team while they both help themselves to the Property and Freedom of the rest of us. We will continue down that path until the vast majority of people wake to the fact the Big Government is the Problem, Not the Solution. It doesn’t matter whether they are Republican Leaders or Democrat Leaders.

      • Mikey

        Dave, don’t waste your keystrokes on Ron, or the other lefty trolls. They’ve been given the economic facts for a while and refuse to take heed. You can’t save them, perhaps they aren’t worth saving. When hyperinflation hits, I’ll be ready. How about you?

      • Vicki

        Mikey says:
        “Dave, don’t waste your keystrokes on Ron, or the other lefty trolls.”

        We speak not to the trolls. They are what they are. We speak instead to the curious who have come here to learn. We want them (the curious) to see the liberal mind in its full glory.

      • JeffH

        Vicki, well said. Hope your T-Giving was a good one.

      • vicki

        Thanks JeffH. It was. And a Happy Thanksgiving to all here (liberal, conservative, democrat, republican etc).

        One of the things I do give thanks for is this web site and all the liberals here who (along with the conservatives and moderates of course) have encouraged me to study more closely many issues of politics that I might otherwise have ignored.

      • William Mitchell

        Dave, finally, the simple truth!

    • Meteorlady

      You hang in there sunshine. Your world is going to dramatically change in the coming year. By 2014 we will see hyper-inflation because of all the 2008 spending, bailouts and other cover-ups. Give me one fact that you have that Mitt is classified as such? You just introduce drivel and expect people to fall for it. We don’t – we think probably unlike your friends.

      Here’s some facts for you: Last week, Savings Deposits at Commercial banks, were at $131.9 billion in one week. That’s huge, so what do the 1% know that we don’t? Coming inflation, double digit interest rates and a worse recession than Jimmy Carter brought about.

      How long to you think we can spend $1.4 TRILLION a year more than we take in? How long do you think we can keep inflating the dollar to cover the cost of borrowing? How long do you believe our country can survive with more takers than givers?

  • http://Yahoo Peter Barney

    I agree with Deerinwater!

  • eddie47d

    Perfect description of Hedge Fund managers and Wall Street Elites. Wild exaggerations with no shame or remorse.

    • Deerinwater
    • Jibbs

      You might be suprised at how many of them are democrats.

      • eddie47d

        Although I didn’t mention party my answer to you is” not at all”. Inside Traders are within both parties and their actions can manipulate or spike the market. Their gains can give us a false market.

      • Walter & Renee Agard

        I am one of them. Are you surprised?

    • Meteorlady

      Actually Goldman Sach seems to have a revolving door from their offices to government offices. Doesn’t Obama have a few on his team? I just read an article that the government is not going to prosecute them?

      Here’s a link for you and please note at the bottom that Goldman Sachs was one of Obama’s biggest contributors:

      http://civiliansnews.com/2012/04/10/goldman-sachs/

      • JeffH

        They have been for decades.

  • Dave67

    Sounds like the conservative extremists who come here to meet up with others of like mind… Conservatism is perfect, never does anything wrong… According to the sociopaths.

    • Steve E

      There is nothing wrong with Conservatism, But the problem is that some say they are conservative to fool people, but actually they are not. That is why they too are Sociopaths.

      • Dave67

        Who are these conservatives? Certainly no one in DC…Conservatism in America, there certainly are issues… Their social agenda is completely anti-freedom and anti-American. I do not want anyone using religious doctrine to tell me what I can and cannot do. Conservatives that I know love to take programs for the middle class and poor and dismantle them while they give corp interests more power in DC to write the laws that benefit their narrow interests. Nothing wrong with fiscal conservatism but too many do not want their military industrial complex, farm subsidies touched…Too me that makes them useful idiots for the corporatists.

        This article is funny… Bob talks about sociopaths as if it is exclusive to the liberals he loathes… In reality, he is describing many conservatives and many right wing loons that come here.

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Dave67,

          You write: “Bob talks about sociopaths as if it is exclusive to the liberals he loathes.” Please point out where the word “liberal” was used. Please point out where “conservatives” were exempted. You would do well to divest yourself of the false paradigm.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

        • Deerinwater

          The problem as I see it, is our financial institution can not be trusted. You can call these people want ever you want too, Opportunist, sociopath, bloodsucker, Bankers, Broker, Traders, conservatives , liberals , what ever !

          I’m a Plumber, ` I know about plumbing and air-conditioning. You can’t fool me with such matters but I am easily fooled in matters that are not a part of my profession., while I am at the mercy of markets to set my price (how much I can made) I have state and national licensing broads , consumer advocacy groups, BBB, and factory oversight that I am required to satisfy. I can come under siege no less the 7 different way and they are eager to do so, ~ they only need a complaint.

          When it comes to money matters, I am lost and out of my league, leaving me to entrust my holding with one of these professional money me.

          People that understand and know money matters are and have been unscrupulous in their professional activities with other peoples money they have been entrusted with.

          The 401 k plan is a joke, ~ reverse mortgage is a joke. ~ corn gas is a joke. There is many jokes being played on the American people by people we hold trust in.

          I’d like to just be a Plumber, and be a good one, most carpenters just want to be carpenters, ~ to work hard and are proud of what we do. We feel in love with a job well done years ago, ~ and now it identifies who we are.

          I don’t gamble with my money, ~ that is not what my money is for, ~ I earn my money the old fashion way. I don’t want to gamble where someones loss might be my gain.

          Why must I play a game, that I know little about, ~ while if I don’t, my chance of loss equally great?

          In as far as Fiat money, ~ they got us by the balls, ~ the men that have elected to addressed this over history have met their untimely demise. For now, an audit of the Fed is best we might hope for. But then still, ~ corrupted oversight is no sight at all.

      • Dave67

        DaveH,

        No, I say you don’t read your links because I have read them… You send links to locations that have very little to do with the subject matter being discussed but you want to pat yourself on the back for being a genius because you have a link.

        Sorry DaveH… you are a silly and sad person…

        But please continue….

      • DaveH

        Thank you, Dave67, for posting so that the Readers can see just how nonsensical Liberal Progressives are.

      • JeffH

        DaveH, it’s almost amazing that the pointed attacks directed at you by D67 sound eerily familiar…specifically RBT et al. Ya think they’re working off of the same cheat sheet?

      • DaveH

        According to the confessed former shill that I linked to, Jeff, they do indeed work together and work out methods of attack against those whose information they fear.
        Obviously, you and I are on their list.

      • JeffH

        Dave, with that last comment I had to laugh. Reminds me of being on my MOM’s “[expletive deleted] list” whenever my 3 brothers or myself didn’t keep a promise to drop by or did something she didn’t approve of…which wasn’t often.

        In this case, I don’t think this is a list I mind being on and have no desire to amend my beliefs…I actually enjoy it, being a distraction and I’d guess that you might feel somewhat the same way. Keeps ‘em knee deep in conspiracies and looking over their shoulder.

    • DaveH

      What would be the most likely trait exhibited by any Sociopath? Of course it would be their inclination to take advantage of other people by some Forceful or Fraudulent means.
      Sounds like a pretty good description of Dave67 and his ilk who somehow think that hiring Government to perform their Theft makes it any less of a Theft.
      http://mises.org/daily/4125

      • Dave67

        Ah the mises.org link to nowhere… You know me so well DaveH. Yes, I want the Gov to do everything for me… blah blah blah…What a tired and broken record of BS from you.

        How much does mises.org pay for for you to spew their theory that you don’t read?

      • Nobody’s Fool

        DaveH, good answer. Dave67 continues to be an idiot and spew his hatred of you. I’ve heard that stems from jealousy. Davey67 secretly admires you and wants to be like you, but it goes against his DNA which is programmed to be one of the takers. He is sorely conflicted and it’s eating him up. Perhaps soon he and others of his ilk will eat themselves up and disappear.

      • DaveH

        Hmmm, who else have I heard make that accusation (that I don’t read the articles)? Oh yeah, Flashman.
        You need to tell your handlers, Dave67 (aka Flashman?), that that particular attempt to manipulate me is Very Old and Very Tired.
        Do you Liberal Progressives have anything in your manipulative bag of tricks other than personal attacks?
        How about some informative comments? Surely with all the “open-minds” in your group, you can muster some informative comments?

      • Dave67

        “Nobody” seems to be acting like a trained seal…

        Here is an example of DaveH’s brilliance…

        “Of course it would be their inclination to take advantage of other people by some Forceful or Fraudulent means.
        Sounds like a pretty good description of Dave67 and his ilk who somehow think that hiring Government to perform their Theft makes it any less of a Theft.”

        Where have I ever advocated taking advantage of anybody and what “theft” is DaveH talking about?

        DaveH is talking about the dreaded taxes…DaveH is happy to take advantage of all the services and the things the Gov that does and provides the best, he just hates to have to pay for any of it. He must live in a state like AK, KY, SC, AL, MS that leach off of states like CA, IL, NY because it is those states that pay a $1 into fed coffers but they get back way over $1 back in pork, services, and infrastructure improvements while the states of CA, IL, NY get less than a dollar back.

        DaveH thinks he is superior to everyone that doesn’t buy into his mises.org BS. He doesn’t even read the links he provides. It has been exposed many times… He calls people names and lies to protect himself be we all know DaveH to be full of it and his mises.org links are merely theory and has little basis in reality. DaveH has yet to show any proof that a country in the real world employs Mises.org nonsense… He clearly doesn’t understand the global economy and different currencies from the links he provides.

        But now he will say I am being a big ole meanie… exposing his BS.

      • Meteorlady

        Dave67 is a typical liberal, clinging to his beliefs but when confronted with facts or something that is counter to what he believes he resorts to name calling and insults just like a playground bully. If any of them ever gave me accurate information (please spare me the links the Huffington Post or any of the mainstream media), I would be totally surprised.

        So Dave67 – why is the money I earn through hard work and enterprise supposed to be taken to help someone that had the same opportunities and didn’t capitalize on them? Why is my working for a charity like Habitat where people help themselves, wrong and government give-away programs without any work right?

      • Meteorlady

        Dave67 – Here’s a quote from Senator Kay Baily Hutchinson on transportation and highway spending:

        “The current system isn’t working,” she said, adding that Texas actually gets back 84.7 cents per $1 sent to Washington. “We would rather Congress rewrite the federal authorization bill than extend the current broken one.”

        There are a lot of different ways to compute what a state gets back in federal money but if you break it down to just revenue sharing – the blue states take, the red states give. You can find that on the US Treasury website.

        If you want to compute per capita spending then states like Alaska, Virginia, Maryland and Hawaii get the most.

        As for Texas, some federal money was turned down because it ran out after the initial period for the program. That meant that Texans would be saddled with a unsustainable programs or they would have to increase tax rates to support them.

        Right now the states are hurting because federal funds are being withdrawn and they are suppose to support federal programs like Medicaid on their own. We simply cannot afford this type of federal interference.

      • DaveH

        LOL. Dave67 is melting down.
        Dave67 says — “DaveH thinks he is superior to everyone that doesn’t buy into his mises.org BS. He doesn’t even read the links he provides. It has been exposed many times”.
        I’m superior? That’s funny because I’m the one who Doesn’t want to Force my way on other people with Big Government.
        I don’t read the links? You must be a mind-reader, Dave67. How else would you know what I read and what I don’t read?
        It has been exposed many times? Well then, Dave67, you should have no problem linking to such exposing so the readers can see if you’re lying or telling the truth.

      • DaveH

        Here is just one example of Dave67′s blatant equivocation:
        http://personalliberty.com/2012/07/12/how-to-survive-an-obama-great-depression/#comment-645734

        In the same paragraph he says:
        “There is no country that has existed in the history of the industrialized world that is 100% capitalism and Lassie-Faire at that and you know it”.
        and “Capitalism in in pure form fails just like Socialism does and Communism does”.

        So let’s get this straight — There has never been 100% Capitalism, yet in its pure form it fails?

        Only a twisted Liberal Conservative could make such a statement.

      • DaveH

        Liberal Conservative? LOL. Loose nut on my keyboard. I meant of course Liberal Progressive.

      • Vicki

        Dave67 says:
        “Ah the mises.org link to nowhere…”

        Or somewhere that liberals fear to go. Is there some reason you fear Dave67?

      • Dave67

        DaveH,

        Glad to see you are a twisted fan of mine.

        Capitalism in its pure form fails, why? (greed, underhandedness, jealousy etc… all the things makes us human) It can’t work. In the pure capitalist model with no Gov interference there is nothing to stop price collusion, mergers to create monopolies… especially in the global economy.

        That would mean you would have to know about the human condition and clearly you don’t.

        Socialism in its pure form also fails due to the same human conditions, so does communism. This is why a mix of socialism and capitalism works best (proof? The United States of America has both in its economic makeup and created the country we have today)

        You have no working model to prove your THEORY to be true.

        But this is typical of you DaveH.

        Keep trying though… I know its hard to get through the brainwashed bubble.

      • DaveH

        Dave67 in his typical simplistic statement says — “In the pure capitalist model with no Gov interference there is nothing to stop price collusion, mergers to create monopolies… especially in the global economy”.
        So let me get this straight, Dave67. You’re afraid of colluding businessmen who have no power to make us buy anything and who have no power to stifle their competitors, but you aren’t afraid of Big Government which does have the power to do those things for their Crony Businessmen in the Marketplaces?
        Obviously, Dave67, it is you who know little about the Human Condition, or you do and you are just lying in an attempt to deceive other readers of this website.
        If you aren’t purposely trying to deceive others, I can only say that your critical thinking skills are sorely lacking.

        Any amount of Socialism is bad for the people and bad for our Economy. It can only exist because Government takes from the Producers and gives to the Non-Producers (the Socialists).
        Wherever Socialism was fully implemented it has failed for that same reason. If there are no Capitalists to plunder, the Socialists cannot succeed.

      • Dave67

        More lies from DaveH… So because I want layers in the way business is conducted to make it more difficult for people to game the system, I automatically want a oppressive Gov that takes our freedoms…In DaveH’s twisted view of things.

        Wow… you need to get out more and come join us in the real world.

        • Deerinwater

          I don’t believe David H runs a household much less a business. Nothing he has ever said suggest that he has any hands-on experience lording over an empire no matter how small. Not that, that matters so much, if he showed us he had a longer view , the capacity to wear “many hats” and a sense of tolerance for descent. These precious virtues are completely absent in his banter , but in the end ~ it’s for you too see or ignore as unimportant.

          David has but one hat, an academic libertarian hat, a philosophy that has never been baptized by fire but only pontificated from an ivory tower by people that oppose all government and worships the dollar. They are obsessed with gold and the power it might buy.

          The thought of having to prime a pump to draw water, they would rather go thirsty then to think someone else might benefit from their actions.

    • Meteorlady

      You have no understanding of the American way of life. Here’s my story. I was born a Sioux on a reservation in North Dakota. I worked odd jobs to save for college and my parents were very strict about my school work. I worked my way through college, got a degree in Economics and History. I then worked menial jobs for a few years to save enough money to start my own business. I had my business in Washington State where I lived. Seems they kept electing Democratic governors and they needed more and more money. It was popular to tax business so they did.

      Soon Washington state was becoming to costly to keep my business there so it was move, or close my doors. I was paying city, county, state and federal taxes and was under conflicting regulations from them all. did you know that only about 5% of the regulations are environmental? The rest are paper reporting to the various government agencies.

      I moved to a more business friendly state and now employ 2 more people than I did in Washington state. My employ health care premiums have gone up about 17% just last year. They will go up again this next year because of the “added mandated coverages” in Obamacare. I am doing OK but the business unfriendliness of the federal government, as well as their policies and spending, will soon cause me to quit working and close my doors. I am looking to close my business the end of the year. I will not try and sell it, I will just sell off the equipment.

      All my life I have been Conservative. I work hard, ask no one for anything, work for two local charities free of charge, and make a good living for my family. We never had more children than we could afford, and never took on more debt than we could pay for. I have done everything right – saved, accumulated a home and two cars, paid for my own medical, and have retirement savings. That’s a conservative. It’s not someone that believes that what I make belongs to them because they need it but don’t want to work for it.

      People like you are playground babies. You can’t make an intelligent point so you call names or insults. I will NOT apologize for my sense of responsibility, what I have, my work ethic, or how much I make and accumulate. It’s not your business and if you want to give your money to some crackhead on welfare then write the check. I personally believe in helping people help themselves.

      • Dave67

        Meteorlady,

        Lovely story… why is your story more valid than mine? I am a proud liberal… But your definition of “liberal” is born from conservative lies about what liberal is. I believe in hard/smart work, responsibility but also that we are part of a society… That society needs infrastructure, education and a military to protect from foreign threats and see… these things cost money… Unfortunately, this country hates to pay for things it buys.

        I am in international sales and that means I earn what I get and nobody gives it to me. In order for America to be the best and the place where great ideas are born, we need to invest in this country. We need to have the best public education, HC, communications, transportation systems in the world. That takes money. I make 6 figures and I don’t mind paying my share for America to be the best version of itself. (pity the wealthy have rigged the system to that they pay less than the middle class does)

        These “giveaways”… What are you referring to?

        Since you know me so well… I want to be sure we are on the same page with what you think I support and what I actually support.

        So if you could be so kind, tell me again what I think and believe. Thanks!

      • DaveH

        My heart goes out to you, Meteorlady. It sounds like you’re a very good person.

      • DaveH

        Dave67 says — “Unfortunately, this country hates to pay for things it buys”.
        I’m going to assume that’s your Pigeon English way of saying that the Taxpayers don’t want to pay for things that the Government buys?
        No, what we don’t like is to pay for things that people like you, Dave67, want to buy with OUR money.

        Dave67 says — “We need to have the best public education, HC, communications, transportation systems in the world”.
        No, Dave67, we Don’t Need. You Want.
        Public education is twice the cost, and half as effective as Private education.
        Healthcare has been ruined by Progressive meddling with the Health Care market.
        Communications are none of the Government’s business.
        More and more, Transportation systems are being built by the Private Sector as Governments go broke from their wasteful spending and have no choice but to turn to the much more efficient Private Sector.

        Dave67 says — “I make 6 figures and I don’t mind paying my share for America to be the best version of itself”.
        If that’s true, Dave67, judging by your acidic and ignorant comments, I’d have to say that you are grossly overpaid. But I have a little trouble believing you are in any kind of sales position, unless after a long day of Sociopathic Smooth Talking to your customers, you come here to vent some steam.
        And if you don’t mind paying your “share”, fine, pay it. But keep your hands out of our pockets because we Do mind paying our UnFair share of your desires.

      • Dave67

        My question to you DaveH is:

        Are you even an American? You have a whole library of my comments that you bring up at a moments notice and that leads me to believe that you do not have a job and you live off the gov teet.

        Your links mean so little, you can’t comprehend the real world and the world that most of us live in.

        Sorry DaveH, you are a sad person who has no interest in making a better society just getting yours… which is typical for a selfish liberatrian/conservative wacko.

  • Flashy

    Mr. Livingston…it was an interesting read to a point. The usual twists and slants, overall once clearing out the chaff informative. But when you attributed those traits to a political bend, you went far astray and turned the entire article into claptrap regurgitated material.

    No doubt the regular TPers posting on this site will give bountiful plaudits…for they will grasp at whatever straw, no matter how thin, as the ideology of the extremists fades into history. They’ve had their day, the cycle is coming to an end, and only feeble rotting straws are available for them to reach for. And DaveH will paste in post after post Mises links which have little bearing on what he’s attempting to legitimize. But with that second half turned into a political rant, ending with a sales pitch…you lost the opportunity.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Flashy,

      You write: ” But when you attributed those traits to a political bend…” If you see this favoring one party over another then you see bogies that are not there.

      You write: “…you went far astray and turned the entire article into claptrap regurgitated material.” Our audience changes daily and for many it is the first time for this “claptrap regurgitated material.” For others–like you–it apparently hasn’t yet sunk in so it must be repeated.

      You write: ” But with that second half turned into a political rant, ending with a sales pitch…you lost the opportunity.” I have pitched no products.

      Thanks for the critique. But understand that I was writing this for the thinking and discerning readers in the audience. It was not meant for you.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Flashy

        Mr. Livingston, the compliments are returned.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Bob,
        You may have noticed that the majority of responses so far have come from non-sociopaths and people who recognize that sociopathic behavior is highly characteristic of the “conservatives” of today.

        No doubt some of the sociopaths that frequent this site in goodly numbers will soon come to your defense and the discussion will become “muddled” as they behave like the sociopaths they are and we who see that help them to hang themselves.

        Flashy has started to do that to you—he has pinned you down a bit and your response is sociopathic. Your smug and dismissive “zingers” and duplicity make it appear that way. For example.

        “For others–like you–it apparently hasn’t yet sunk in so it must be repeated”.
        “I have pitched no products”. (duplicity)
        “But understand that I was writing this for the thinking and discerning readers in the audience. It was not meant for you”.
        (on that last one, you were again not truthful—you wrote it for hipshot and peter10)

        Will you never learn? I will AGAIN give you some good advice (no subscription required) and say to you “Use your right brain and realize that if you continue to respond, it will become a no-win for you. Let the article stand and let your in-house sociopaths speak for you.”

        Best wishes,
        RBT

      • ROGER, Irish-Canadian LIBERTARIAN

        I am very close to the point of giving up on warning people Bob.Their minds are closed to REALITY and the STATIST THUG, “Sociapaths” are smart enough to see that too and thus to do their dirt by stealth ( incremental).That is how they are winning. You can see by some of the “smartass” comments. We are slowly , but acceleratingly sliding into a MODERN version of Feudalism, if not DARK ages. Read my last email to you regarding land “ownership” in Canada and what is in store for the U.S.

      • DaveH

        Flashman,
        I have exposed your lies, your deceit, and your advocation of theft and violence many times in the past. There is not a shadow of a doubt in my mind that you are one of those who Bob describes.

      • DaveH

        Brain (Sure) says — “You may have noticed that the majority of responses so far have come from non-sociopaths and people who recognize that sociopathic behavior is highly characteristic of the “conservatives” of today”.
        You know that how? And you call yourself a Thinker. I guess, now that I think about it, empty thoughts are still thoughts.
        I’d like to get to the root of your comment, RBT, so please tell me — Who are Conservatives in your mind, RBT?

      • DaveH

        Brain (Right) says — “Will you never learn? I will AGAIN give you some good advice (no subscription required) and say to you “Use your right brain and realize that if you continue to respond, it will become a no-win for you. Let the article stand and let your in-house sociopaths speak for you.””
        Perhaps you should follow your own advice, RBT, since your comments are almost entirely composed of Ad Hominem attacks over and over again ad nauseum.
        Please show us what else that Liberal Progressive Right Brain is capable of producing, if anything. What is it that you advocate, and why is it the correct path?
        Or are adolescent manipulative personal attacks all you have?

      • Nobody’s Fool

        Bob, I hope your words will sink in to Flashy, eventually. Poor guy, he along with others like him just can’t see the truth. I had hope there for a second when he started writing, but then when he saw that it was an article about Truth, he quickly closed off any exposed brain cells so Truth could not penetrate. He and others of his ilk are to be pitied.

      • DaveH

        Don’t kid yourself. Flashman knows the truth. He just doesn’t see anything to gain by telling it.

      • phideaux

        Posted by RBT Saturday.

        “My only comment on this thread will be that this assortment of comments is about the worst I’ve ever seen. I’m going back to the other threads and staying there. Bye”

        RBT you sure didn’t stay gone long.

      • Frank Kahn

        I agree with your response to him, however, and I know you dont need my help, if they were to be directed to read factual scientific information about sociopaths, they would see that your description is spot on. Your inclusion of sociopaths gravitating to positions of money and power e.g. politics and financial jobs is straight out of the descriptions I have seen.

        I understand that many try to place a left vs right or liberal vs conservative bias in this description but, it is in human nature that sociopaths exist and, like you said, there is no pointing a finger at one specific political party or group to find them.

    • Jibbs

      Dear splashy ,
      After reading so many of your posts…………
      I’m not going to say things that insult you, make you look stupid, call you names or make you seem like an idiot.

      When you think about it,(I don’t know if you do) you have done all of the above to yourself.

      Good job!

  • TIME

    Dear Bob,

    What a fine blog, well done!

    Also I strongly feel that as well as some coins ~ Food stocks, as well as common things we now take for granted will also be strong chips when paper bills are only good for starting a fire to cook your dinner.

    I pray that all this will never come to pass, but I think any of us who have looked at this beast in the eye know we can’t stop whats coming.

    But, on that note don’t stop working on trying to stop this on going problem. We are many, they are the few ~ and they know that. Their window dressing is not working on everyone and they also know that, so thats why they will push for total control over the Internet, and guns, the only two reasons we are not all in camps at this very moment. So people when both of these UN Treaties come up,, { YOU MUST NOT ALLOW THEM.}
    Reisit them at all cost.

    No matter who the pretty face is and no matter what the message from that Puppet behind that face, Please people don’t take the bait. It really is a trap.

    We also need to really start working with our Children so they too can see this beast for what it really is. The Children are the future of this nation, and this world.
    They need something other than I Pads, ~ I Phones and these crazy games where you get BIG points for killing Humans. Human contact explore the beauty of nature with them, take them fishing, hunting, or for bike rides in the forest, help them get a JOB so they understand what they will need to do at some point in their life to sustain themself.

    Get involved with your Children interact with them, afterall the state has them for 6 – 7 hours per day for 12 plus years, and they are not training them to love human kind, nor to learn true history, nor to THINK as independant people.

    Peace and Love be with you.

    • Vigilant

      Good words, TIME.

  • Gea

    According to this definitions all those who relentlessly pursue profit motive are sociopaths, and only those who want government to take care of everybody is OK ;-)!

    I would not call the phenomenon in US “sociopathy” but GREED or deviation from the Firest and Tenth commandment of the Decalogue, replaced by marketing strategies that are based on violation of those 10 commandments. The fiscal crisis in US and Europe was not caused only by those nasty bankers and globalization, but also by poor peoiple greedy to have what others do who did not drop out of school and ended up flipping hamburgers or other low paying jobs. Then those 99% hate the bankers and other financial wizards and CEOs because they did not succeed financially!

    The TV adds keep their desire to “shop tile they drop’ alive and therefore EVEYBODY wants to HAVE EVERYTHING from the wealth of America on TV. If those poor people who had no business buying houses with mortgages that they could not afford were not greedy and bought properties that they COULD afford, we would not have those banks being able to bundle those mortgages and manipulate markets!

    As long as we worship Mammon and encourage coveting in order to increase market share and relentless consumption and profits, we will be going down the drain in US and elsewhere, even if our oil consumption did not finance Islamic terrorism against US and Europe!

    While Decalogue is a basic rules of ethical behaviors both in Judaism, Christianity and similar rules apply for Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism and Hinduism, Islam does not have them, and there is the rub. Islam is incompatible with US Constitution and with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and that is why having a President subverting US constitution to cover up for Islam and extolling Qur’an while dissing Bible is the main danger to US. Islam IS out to get US and Western civilization and the Muslim Brotherhood is in Oval Office, dictating the terms.

    • DaveH

      “I have never understood why it is “greed” to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else’s money.” — Thomas Sowell.

    • Mikey

      Sure, there is and always has been, greed on the corporate end. The J P Morgans and Rockefellers will always exist. However, since they run private enterprises, we have the choice not to purchase goods or services from them. We also now have anti-trust laws keeping them from forming monopolies.
      However, when that same greed is used by government officials, we have no choice. We can’t go to a different IRS or DMV if we don’t want to support their greed, can we? Yet, you lefties still want to grow the government. Once Obamacare kicks in, we will again have no choice and have to feed greedy politicians and government union administrators just to see our doctor. What blind fools you liberals are. There will soon come a day when some of us will say, “I told you so”.

      • DaveH

        Mikey says — “We also now have anti-trust laws keeping them from forming monopolies”.
        What about the Government Monopoly?
        Sorry, Mikey, but you have drunk the kool-aid. However, I have confidence that you, being an intelligent man with the blinders mostly removed, can learn unlike the Liberal Progressive Followers:
        http://mises.org/journals/rae/pdf/RAE6_2_3.pdf

      • DaveH
      • Mikey

        Dave, I think you miss my point. I was stating that there are controls in place to keep the private sector from excessive greed, such as the anti-trust laws. But there are no such restrictions on our government (as there should be as outlined in our constitution). The sociopaths in government are usurping our constitution to their own ends.

      • Mikey

        Dave, the article link you posted is a good read. And no, I don’t like Kool-aid, I prefer coffee.

      • DaveH

        I hope you didn’t take my comment as a put-down. It wasn’t meant that way. We’ve all been brainwashed by the Public Schools and the MSM.

  • Deerinwater

    Ayn Rand was a narcissistic sociopath if she truly believed what she wrote, and I can’t help but think that she did. She was everything that Mr. Livingston describe ~ in Spades. I loved her novels but came away thinking she was dangerous and not for the weak minded.

    I understand that she is well thought of in circles that advocate personal liberties that supersedes all others, while my joy was decrypting the narcissistic mind and to be for armed to their inherent nature and design.

    I’ve long known, they walk among us in stellar fashion and are praised by many that wish to be free of guilt as the prey off the walking wound and dying.

    • DaveH

      Deer says — “I understand that she is well thought of in circles that advocate personal liberties that supersedes all others”.
      What are those other “liberties” that have been superseded, Deer?

      • Deerinwater

        Other people’s David, ~ other peoples.

      • Vicki

        Deerinwater, can you give examples of how your liberty is superseded by DaveH or myself exercising our liberty?

        • Deerinwater

          You voice entitlement Vicki that supersedes others entitlements ~ David is being stolen from ~ by his telling, more so the the rest of us.

      • vicki

        Deerinwater says:
        “You voice entitlement Vicki that supersedes others entitlements ~ David is being stolen from ~ by his telling, more so the the rest of us.”

        And just what “entitlement” do you think I am voicing? Where has DaveH claimed to have more stolen then the rest of you and what does it have to do with YOUR liberties?

      • DaveH

        It’s not “stolen” from you, Deer, if you voluntarily support it.

        • Deerinwater

          Are you telling us in a round about way that you don’t pay taxes David? I just made a down payment of $800.00 on property and local taxes today and stinging from the experience. Are you suggesting in me doing so, I am guilty of support? What other opinions might I be afforded David?

          This black or white world that you live in must be truly wonderful. Are you one that confuses silence for consent or lack of opposition as support? I am not “entitled ” such luxuries David and how you might think that you are, amazes me.

      • DaveH

        You’re clutching for straws, Deer. I was talking about the fact that you obviously support the Government expenditures.
        As an example. Suppose you wanted a car and I didn’t. Of course you wouldn’t mind paying your half of the car, because you wanted it. But I didn’t.
        Is that simple enough for you?

        • Deerinwater

          No ! David, ~ that does not explain or justify your anti-social attitude. If you don’t want to be a part of society, it is for you to dismiss yourself from it. But as long as you hang around , we will accept responsibility for you and what trash and waste you create your time here. We will afford you a clean environment , clean water, clear air, protect you from unhealthy agents in spite of your refusal to help pay for it. While ,what you do inside your home and your head is all your responsibility and your business.

          You need to accept the fact air and space is to be shared. If you find need for more air and space then other people , may I suggest ether pole, north or south has an abundance of both.

      • Vicki

        Deerinwater writes:
        “No ! David, ~ that does not explain or justify your anti-social attitude.”

        Anti-social attitude as in wanting to let people keep their hard earned wealth and not have it confiscated by government?

        Or is your definition of “social” having a few people getting government to take money from society for their pet causes?

        Oh and I am still waiting for your answer to my question above.

        • Deerinwater

          Vicki ask; “Anti-social attitude as in wanting to let people keep their hard earned wealth and not have it confiscated by government?
          Or is your definition of “social” having a few people getting government to take money from society for their pet causes?
          Oh and I am still waiting for your answer to my question above.”

          Well Vicki that might well be a nice thought, to not be requested to contribute to the country that offered you citizenship by whatever virtue with all the rights, privileges and opportunities that a sovereignty can afford.

          But Vicki, ~ there is no Big Rock Candy Mountain.

          On a summer day
          In the month of May
          A burly bum came hiking
          Down a shady lane
          Through the sugar cane
          He was looking for his liking
          As he roamed along
          He sang a song
          Of the land of milk and honey
          Where a bum can stay
          For many a day
          And he won’t need any money

          Chorus:
          Oh the buzzin’ of the bees
          In the cigarette trees
          Near the soda water fountain
          At the lemonade springs
          Where the bluebird sings
          On the big rock candy mountain

          2. There’s a lake of gin
          We can both jump in
          And the handouts grow on bushes
          In the new-mown hay
          We can sleep all day
          And the bars all have free lunches
          Where the mail train stops
          And there ain’t no cops
          And the folks are tender-hearted
          Where you never change your socks
          And you never throw rocks
          And your hair is never parted
          Chorus:
          3. Oh, a farmer and his son,
          They were on the run
          To the hay field they were bounding
          Said the bum to the son,
          “Why don’t you come
          To that big rock candy mountain?”
          So the very next day
          They hiked away,
          The mileposts they were counting
          But they never arrived
          At the lemonade tide
          On the big rock candy mountain
          Chorus:

          Read more: http://artists.letssingit.com/burl-ives-lyrics-big-rock-candy-mountain-dx26kzx#ixzz2DQx5Hpnz
          LetsSingIt – Your favorite Music Community

  • brockpowers

    Obamaclaus is for sure the Sociopath in Chief.

  • DavidL

    You write:

    “Sociopaths are masters at turning one group of people against another group while proclaiming themselves to be the one true savior. Wherever they go, they create strife, argument and hatred. You cannot reason with a sociopath.

    A sociopath will usually have a small group of cult-like followers who believe their fictional tales. They invent bizarre tales, never answer facts and always attack the messenger.”

    Stop beating up on the tea party, Fox “news”, conservative talk radio, and conservative Republicans. They are entitled to their beliefs and political participation, A majority of Americans, thank God, just don’t happen to agree with them. Just calling someone (Flashy) anti-intellectual because they do not share your view is bereft of intellect itself.

    Best wishes to you, Bob.

    DavidL

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear DavidL,

      You write: “Stop beating up on the tea party, Fox “news”, conservative talk radio, and conservative Republicans.” You need to divest yourself of the false left/right paradigm.

      You write: ” Just calling someone (Flashy) anti-intellectual because they do not share your view is bereft of intellect itself.” You need to re-read the response. I did not question Flashy’s intellect. I called him unthinking and undiscerning because of his ad hominem response.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Flashy

        Ad hominem would not be apt in describing the post i wrote. I made observations that the article was interesting and had content worthy of note once the chaff was set aside..then went south as physiological met political. Then noted what is occurring in reading the follow up posts. For the most part, the extremists are grasping the political, and ignoring the psychological.

        I am able to say with a clear conscience it was not a personal attack but one questioning and critiquing the article and content as well as observing the likely reactions.

        Unfortunately, between the two posts, only one would be able to state such.

      • DaveH

        Flashman says — “No doubt the regular TPers posting on this site will give bountiful plaudits…for they will grasp at whatever straw, no matter how thin, as the ideology of the extremists fades into history”.
        Not an Ad Hominem attack?
        Flashman says — “And DaveH will paste in post after post Mises links which have little bearing on what he’s attempting to legitimize”.
        Not an Ad Hominem attack?
        Who do you think you are kidding, Flashman?
        That’s why you have no credibility on this board.

      • Flashy

        DaveH…as concerning your first quote of my post? no…not ad hominem. it was describing the way the usual poster on this site would comprehend and react.

        Your second quote of my post? No…it wasn’t. You weren’t part of the argument/debate …actually, you never are as substance is not your stock in trade. but narrowed down to my post, it was following the general observation of comprehensions and reactions ? In the quote concerning you…it is spot on as it turns out.

      • JeffH

        Of course Falsy will continue to be dishonest…he’s a sociopath of the clearest form. You have no credibility for a reason Falsy…that fact is very clear too!

      • DaveH

        I agree, Jeff. Flashman is, beyond a shadow of a doubt, a Sociopath.

    • THA DUKE

      I will take what you have said with many grains of salt, David. If possible, let me clear things up for all of us.

      The people who are labeled Conservatives do share somethiong unique with the Tea Party group in so far as both believe in being responsible for their own lives with very little to no intrusion from any kind of outside sourses such as government. These people believe they can make good, sound, intelligent decisions and can ably manage their own lives and affairs. They will always vote for any candidate who promises to reduce the size of government and give them more control over their own lives.

      Liberals, on the other hand, believe in larger government, redistribution and less control over their personal lives, the shedding of more of their personal responsibility and the general acceptance of mandates from the govrnment to further protect them in their day to day lives. They will always support any candidate who promises to make their future brighter and give them more free stuff.

    • DaveH

      DavidL says — “Stop beating up on the tea party, Fox “news”, conservative talk radio, and conservative Republicans”.
      Ahh yes, the usual useless ad hominem attack that we have come to expect from the Liberal Progressives on the board.
      How about telling us some specifics, DavidL, about what makes members of any of those groups Sociopaths?

      • Flashy

        “the usual … ad hominem attack”

        Uh oh …DaveH learned a new catch phrase which, as usual, he has no clue as to correct usage…

      • Vicki

        Flashy says:
        “Uh oh …DaveH learned a new catch phrase which, as usual, he has no clue as to correct usage…”

        DaveH appears to have use the phrase quite correctly.
        “A variation (related to Argument By Generalization) is to attack a whole class of people.”
        http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html#hominem

        You’re ad hominem (both of them) is also noted.

  • http://www.facebook.com/elton.robb Elton Robb

    Actually, the President is a pathological narcissist.

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      To rap up the presidents attributes in a word, he’s EVIL.

      • Walter & Renee Agard

        The devil cannot see or speak the truth, and you are that.

    • eddie47d

      Those same vibrations could be said about Donald Trump or Mitt Romney. Each are enthralled with themselves.

    • Frank Kahn

      actually, narcissism is a trait of a sociopath, which is pathological, so you are correct.

  • THA DUKE

    Thanks for an interesting article, Bob. As always, I seek to be better informed. With that said, I will take what you have said, advised and described and add it to the rest of my personal inventory of things to research and things to do. That, I believe, is the true purpose of participating in any of these blogs. If anybody feels the need to attack good intention or good advise, let them. To me, it only displays their ignorance and inability to prepare themselves for any eventualities that lie ahead. When someone like Flashy fires back with their uneducated responses, it makes me wonder if they carry a spare tire in the trunk, or a fire extinguisher in their house or a smoke detector near their bedroom or, heaven forbid, a firearm in their bedroom or anything that exibits any kind of preparedness for an unexpected emergency. After all, that might tend to imply that they are paranoid. Perhaps the real objective here is to weed out the trolls.

    • DaveH

      THA DUKE Says — “When someone like Flashy fires back with their uneducated responses, it makes me wonder if they carry a spare tire in the trunk, or a fire extinguisher in their house or a smoke detector near their bedroom or, heaven forbid, a firearm in their bedroom or anything that exibits any kind of preparedness for an unexpected emergency”.
      Of course they do, Duke, only they were bought with other peoples’ money.

      • Mikey

        LOL, very good Dave!

      • eddie47d

        So now Dave H thinks Flashy is buying fire extinguishers,spare tires, fire arm or smoke detectors with “other peoples money”. You really are becoming creepy Dave H to apply that craziness to every answer! Your getting darn good at using useless ad hominems and personal attacks yourself!

      • JeffH

        eddie the repeating PARROT!

        “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.” – dishonest Abe

      • eddie47d

        Then why did you parrot my response Jeff H? Oh I see you are pre programmed like Dave H..

      • DaveH

        In my day, Eddie, people like you would have been referred to as “Dork”. And it was reserved for only the worst cases of pesty, nonsensical behavior.
        Now, the kids call almost everybody Dork.

      • eddie47d

        Does that make Jeff H a double dork? LOL!

  • arrton senna

    You have simply described communist, illegal alien Muslim Insane Hussein – the perfect sociopath, narcissist and psychotic fool!

    • Walter & Renee Agard

      You are the communist and an illegal alien and dont even know it-if you want to be technical- The native INDIANS are the legal ones.

      • Mikey

        Hey W&R, since you can tell if others are communists, am I one also? (Troll)

      • eddie47d

        No Mikey you’re still a Fascist!

      • Mikey

        Eddie, I was asking Walter & Renee, not you.
        And as for your answer: just the fact that I agree with the Libertarian stance supported by this web site should show you that I stand against fascism. Those that buy into the current Dem/Rep political system are the ones who are supporting the upcoming fascism.

      • 45caliber

        Walter/Renee:

        You mean the Indians were able to get visas to come here from the former inhabitants when no one later did?

        Actually, anyone BORN here is native. It doesn’t matter if your many times grandparents came here from somewhere else or not. And I’m quarter Indian so I get both sides of this argument.

      • eddie47d

        I was only poking at you Mikey like you were poking at Walter. Talk to you later.

    • momo

      I thought you hit a concete wall at 200 mph and died!

  • http://LLSTULER.wordpress.com Larry L. Stuler

    Insatiable greed – the hallmark of the sociopath. And the ultimate sociopaths are the international counterfeiters – the Federal Reserve System, the World Bank, the IMF.
    These sociopaths have been at the forefront of everything that is behind the history of the New World. We have been brainwashed to believe that the federal government of the United States is defending our freedoms, when in actuality nothing could be further from the truth. These sociopaths have controlled the media as well.
    This country has already been taken over – by Great Britain’s bankers. Although Great Britain may have lost the Revolution, it sent in its bankers to bankrupt America (the center of the world’s banking is in London). This was accomplished in 1933 and the laws evidence this: title 11 United States Code, “Bankruptcy”, is implemented by title 11 Code of Federal Regulations, “Federal Elections” – we are simply electing a bankruptcy “administration”. The Code of Federal Regulations was written in the mid-1930’s in order to hide the actual jurisdiction that the bankers’ are using to implement their law.
    This country was founded by the Declaration of Independence which states that “all men are created equal”. The Constitution acknowledges this fundamental principle by only granting the federal government jurisdiction over foreign commerce, interstate commerce, and trade with the Indians – there is no jurisdiction over intrastate commerce, which is human action. Since “all men are created equal” there exists no federal mechanism to regulate any American.
    Great Britain’s bankers knew that they must slowly and deceitfully move to bankrupt the U.S. government and then move forward under foreign commerce where the U.S. government is sovereign. The gold-fringed flag is evidence of foreign commerce.
    When the bankruptcy of the U.S. government was accomplished there still was no way to subject Americans to any federal regulation – no authority exists over intrastate commerce within the federal government because “all men are created equal”.
    Since this country was founded on the principle that “all men are created equal”, there was no such thing as a “taxpayer”. The bankers’ solution was the preplanned creation of “Social Security”. The definition of “taxpayer” is at 26 CFR 2.1-1(a)(5): “Taxpayer means a citizen who has established or seeks to establish a construction reserve fund under the provisions of section 511 of the Act (Merchant Marine Act of 1936) and the regulations under this part, and may include a partnership.”. Further in this regulation at 26 CFR 2.1-1(b): “Insofar as the computation and collection of taxes are concerned, other terms used in the regulations in this part, except as otherwise provided, have the same meaning as in the Internal Revenue Code and the regulations thereunder.”
    The “Form SS-5″ that you used to apply for a Social Security number is actually a federal employment form. You joined the Merchant Marine and the S.S.# is your partnership number. During the War of 1812 Great Britain was impressing our Merchant Marine into service. Now, through the great Social Security Scam, we Americans are being impressed into service for Great Britain’s banks. Go to http://wp.me/pCW6e-7h to read “The Bankers’ Blueprint to Destroy American Sovereignty” where all the actual statutes and regulations are in evidence directly from the government printing office.

    • Mikey

      Thanks Larry, great information. I was recently told about this subterfuge, it’s an eye opener. I’ve even go so far as to remove the gold bordered flags from my motorcycle vest and replace them with boarder-less ones.

    • 45caliber

      Larry:

      I would agree with most of what you say, but the Rothchilds (from the Netherlands) owns the Federal Reserve and many of the major banks of Europe and the world. I would tend to believe the Rothchilds at the heart of this rather than any Bank of England. I think Russia and China banks are about the only ones they do not control.

      • JeffH

        45caliber, I agree.

        In the immortal words of Amschel Rothchilds, ” Give me control of a nations money supply, and I care not who makes it’s laws”.

        “Congress [not private banks] shall have the power to coin money and regulate the value thereof.” – Article 1 of the U.S. Constitution.

        “All the perplexities, confusions, and distresses in America arise, not from defects in the Constitution or confederation, not from want of honor or virtue, as much as from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation.”
        - John Quincy Adams

        Congressman Patman: “Mr. Eccles, how did you get the money to buy those two billions of government securities?” Eccles: “We created it.” Patman: “Out of what?” Eccles: “Out of the right to issue credit money.” – Testimony of Marriner Eccles, Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, before the House Banking and Currency Committee, 1941

        “Every circulating Federal Reserve Note represents in actuality a one dollar debt to the Federal Reserve system.” – Money Facts, House Banking and Currency Committee

        “Every Congressman, every Senator knows precisely what causes inflation…but can’t, won’t support the drastic reforms to repeal of the Federal Reserve Act because it could cost him his job.” – Robert A. Heinlein, Expanded Universe

        “Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its powers, but the truth is that the Federal Reserve System has usurped the government. It controls everything in congress and it controls all our foreign relations. It makes and breaks governments at will.” – Louis McFadden, Chairman of the House Committee on Banking and Currency

        “I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by it’s system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the world… no longer a government of free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men.” – Woodrow Wilson

      • http://LLSTULER.wordpress.com Larry L. Stuler

        45Caliber,
        There is no doubt that the Rothchilds are a central figure in the banking scheme. But don’t forget that Rome is behind a lot of this as well – the Knights Templar are considered the fathers of modern banking, which is a polite term to reference counterfeiting. Regardless of just who is pulling the strings, my comment above evidences the two main contracts that we Americans have been brainwashed into engaging are the birth certificate and the Social Security # (or, in some instances, the taxpayer ID#). Without these contracts in place the federal government would again be powerless over Americans.
        The main point to grasp is that the federal government is actually abiding by the law, it’s just under the foreign commerce clause. By exposing this, we Americans have the opportunity to re-establish our sovereignty by peaceful means. The brainwashing must be cleansed.

    • http://LLSTULER.wordpress.com Larry L. Stuler

      In my above comment left out the other contract that Americans have been brainwashed into needing – the birth certificate. The birth certificate is legal evidence that an American has become a “U.S. citizen”. This is the 14th Amendment citizen. It is defined at 26 USC section 2501(b) and exemplified at 26 CFR 25.2501-1(c) as an American born in one of the States who then establishes a residence in a U.S. possession (Puerto Rico is cited in the example) and, further, acquires U.S. possession citizenship. This is what the 14th Amendment states as a citizen born in the United States and subject to its jurisdiction. An American born in one of the States is sovereign and not subject to the very limited jurisdiction of the federal government, but someone with U.S. possession citizenship is subject to the federal government’s jurisdiction (Constitution Article IV, Section 3). This is necessary since FICA is a U.S. possession tax (26 USC section 7655) – the federal government has no jurisdiction within the States since “all men are created equal” so it can only exact FICA in the U.S. possessions. The “Form SS-5″ that one uses to apply for a S.S.# has the selections listed a “U.S. citizen” and a couple of Alien categories. This is again evidence of foreign commerce.

  • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

    This article is definitely educational, particularly for the world we live in. But can’t forget that true Americans are fighting on two fronts, domestic and foreign. Consider the magician. He has us looking where he wants with one hand while he performs his wiles with the other. Obama and his ilk are described perfectly but we must consider world conditions are dictated by Netanyahu and his ilk. When Netanyahu says jump, Obama answers, how high. Yes we’re speeding toward a fiscal cliff but there’s quick sand in the middle of our path.

    If I may prophecy while I’m praying that I’m wrong. Netanyahu is building conditions where the Iranians will be blamed for what will be Armaggedon. He will attack an Iranian ship claiming he and his Zionist are the “victims”. That will be sold to the Americans and once again they will rush to the killing fields with their blood and money. I assume people are following events in the middle east. If this occurs, Russia and China will be obliged to make a preemptive attack on America. They know America is on it’s road to Empire and has them in their sights and America justifies preemptive wars. You see the type of people that are running our military. Do you trust them with defending America? Pride is the sin of Satan therefore it’s the sin of fools.

  • deidre

    I think they reside on both sides of the aisle to some degree

    • DaveH

      Of course they do. It’s inherent in Leadership:
      http://dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/beware-the-psychopath-my-son/

      • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

        The Emperor Caligula said: ” If I am man, my subjects must br something else. If they are men, I must be something more”. Think that this might a description of many of today’s politicians?

      • 45caliber

        CA:

        Definately. Sociopaths cannot conceive of anyone being more intelligent, etc. than they are. That includes any god. So to them they ARE god (little “g”) and everyone else should recognize it since no one else is equal to them.

  • Right Brain Thinker

    Right Brain Thinker says:
    November 26, 2012 at 9:12 am

    Bob,
    Another of my comments doesn’t seem to have made it “aboard”—–any explanation?
    RBT

    “Your comment is awaiting moderation” has appeared above it.

    And why is that? Considering what IS allowed to be said, my comment would seem to be “no problem”. What exactly is the problem that you see a need for “moderation”?

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Right Brain Thinker,

      You write: “Another of my comments doesn’t seem to have made it “aboard”—–any explanation?” Please repost your comment.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Thank you, Bob

        You are a sly old dog, aren’t you? I’m a right brain thinker, remember? So I understand your little game and the aspects of sociopathy it displays.

        You have the comment “in moderation” and could just put it back if you chose to do so. It might have been noticed and had some impact when I originally posted it.. There were only a dozen or two comments on the thread then, most of them from fairly rational folks.

        If now posted, it will disappear into the “wind” coming from DaveH and JeffH and other “Stooge” wannabees. So, rather than get soaked peeing into the “wind”, I will let that comment drop—a right brain thing to do.. (You have read it and I was really speaking to just you anyway, so it has served its main purpose). i am quite sure that I will get a chance to bring the issue up with you or Chip again in the future—as the saying goes, old habits die hard and you will likely repeat your error..

        GALT has also said what I said and more, so I know that at least one of the more rational folks on the site sees what I see and agrees with me. OOH-Rah and S/F, GALT!

        Best wishes,
        RBT

        Bob Livingston says:
        November 26, 2012 at 9:58 am

        Dear Right Brain Thinker,

        You write: “Another of my comments doesn’t seem to have made it “aboard”—–any explanation?” Please repost your comment.

        Best wishes,
        Bob
        Reply

      • DaveH

        So what are you saying, RBT? That the right-side of the Brain is responsible for childish behavior, like a constant barrage of personal attacks?
        Are you even capable of making intelligent, factual comments that adults might learn something from?

      • JeffH

        I do believe that RBT has boogeymen dancing in his head.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzHtm1jhL4

      • DaveH

        He He.

    • DaveH

      Why would Bob want to censor your comments, RBT?
      They are excellent exposes of the Liberal Progressive mindset, and everybody should be exposed to them.

      • 45caliber

        Dave:

        Keep in mind that most liberals exibit sociopath tendencies – just perhaps not the intelligent part. That would explain part of this comment above.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        So R B T can claim that he is a victim and can claim censorship as in PLD and Bob L. are picking on him. To top that the nasty old meanie posters like myself, and you DaveH and a few others “made” Bob L. delete R B T comments because we don’t like him.

      • JeffH

        Nadzieja, :) :) :) It must be the boogeymen dancing in his head.

  • think in the future

    well, WHO will NOT cut the “military budget”, which is larger than the next 10 world military budgets???? Last stance of the sociopaths: if economy collapses, we’ll start some wars….

  • S.C.Murf

    You do know Mr. Livingston that you just described galt, right brain thinker, kg and a few others. Nice

    up the hill
    airborne

    • eddie47d

      He could be describing Motov,Sailor, Freedom Fighter, SC,Alonda and quite a few others. Nice! Now do you need a mirror while marching up the hill?

      • S.C.Murf

        Yes I would fast eddie, it’ll help against all those back stabbing libs

        up the hill (with the mirror)
        airborne

      • eddie47d

        Heck Murf I wear my flak jacket and helmet when posting here. It gets really deep from the Conservatives. Therefore I also carry my Army trenching tool aka shovel.

  • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

    Archie Bunker on All in the family had a plague on his desk. It read: “I am smarter than on man in that I can learn from all of them”. Personally I was brought up with certain moral principles. Thou shal not steal is one on them. As you read thru the comments here, any reasonable person can segregate those who have no problem putiing their hand in their neighbors pocket from those that wouldn’t even consider being thieves. Granted, they won’t do it themselves so they hire a hit man every election to do it for them. To make matters worse they don robes of respectability having done just that. Do they fit Mr. Livingston’s description of sociopaths? People’s post will find them out.

    • 45caliber

      The moral principles are taught but the sociopath doesn’t consider them as guidelines on living since it doesn’t bother them if they break them. The sociopath has no sense of empathy and therefore what affects others doesn’t bother them at all. Moral principles are useful only for those of us who realize the affect on others that breaking these principles will cause and we don’t want to do that. Intellectuals usually have sociopath tendencies and therefore the affects of their ideas on others is simply another fact to be filed away – nothing to be worried about even if their ideas cause war and get people killed.

  • Louis Lemieux

    As I was reading above on “Sociopaths“ I pretty much agreed with everything until I came up to this section:

    “Sociopaths love big government and they are attracted to government and politics. They see a lot there to manipulate and steal. This is very easy to see in the way they set themselves up with special privilege and government benefits.
    As sociopaths have no substance, they are attracted to and lovers of fiat money systems. Fiat allows them to play “Santa Claus” and dole out special perks and privileges to select constituencies, seemingly without consequences. But the consequences are long-term destruction for short-term gain. They get away with it because the masses and the media have short attention spans.“

    I then realized that the author is a frustrated ideological manipulator who has trouble accepting he cannot sway public opinion his way.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Louis Lemieux,

      You write: “As I was reading above on “Sociopaths“ I pretty much agreed with everything until I came up to this section…” Please provide a cogent rebuttal to the two points.

      You write: “I then realized that the author is a frustrated ideological manipulator who has trouble accepting he cannot sway public opinion his way.” I have been writing much this same thing since 1969. Why would I suddenly be “frustrated?” What “ideology” have I attempted to manipulate? Why, rather than provide a cogent rebuttal, must you resort to ad hominems?

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Louis Lemieux

        Dear Bob,

        After reading “Sociopaths“ I came to the conclusion that you believe liberals are sociopaths. To me that is nonsense. Liberals are no more sociopaths than conservatives are. Our country can be at risk going too far to the right as well as going too far to the left. We are fortunate to have a political system that keeps ideological extremism at bay.

        Sincerely,

        Louis

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Louis Lemieux,

          You write: “I came to the conclusion that you believe liberals are sociopaths.” I did not use the words liberal or conservative in the article so upon what do you base this conclusion?

          You write: “Liberals are no more sociopaths than conservatives are.” Please point out where I drew a distinction.

          You have still not provided a cogent rebuttal to the two points you claim to disagree with. You have still not answered why your response was an ad hominem rather than a cogent rebuttal.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

        Freedom has two seperate and distinct definitions. One is the freedom, liberty, God gives to a moral man. MORAL: God’s rules of action and interaction. Two is the one predators use preying on moral people. IMMORAL & AMORAL: Knowing God’s rules and breaching them and, functioning completely outside of God’s rules. To an AMORAL man his preceptions of life are paramount, much how Mr. Livinston described a sociopath.

      • Louis Lemieux

        Bob,

        “Sociopaths love big government and they are attracted to government and politics…“ Hard for me to believe you’re not referring to liberals!!!

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Louis Lemieux,

          You write: “Hard for me to believe you’re not referring to liberals!!!” I am referring to everyone who loves big government and are therefore attracted to government and politics. I call them progressives, statists, fascists and communists. You may call them what you want.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

    • 45caliber

      Louis:

      Bob is right about politics and politicians. Psychologists have identified about 50% of the national politicians as sociopaths. They can perform as they do because they simply have no feeling of empathy for the citizens they bilk and dominate. If people die because of a mistake they have made, it means nothing to them. Money is simply a way for them to dominate and use as a score card as they “win” the poliltical game. Sadly, you need more education.

      • Louis Lemieux

        To believe that 50% of our national politicians are sociopaths is to believe that 50% of American voters are not too bright… something that I cannot agree with. I have more regards for my fellow citizens.

        • Frank Kahn

          Actually, if you dont recognize a sociopath, you might find yourself believing his/her lies because of their charisma. This would not make you a dummy or dense, just gullible. To say that 50% of humanity are gullible might be a stretch but if you add in the dummies maybe you can reach 51%.

          But, really, having 50% of the government being sociopaths is not a direct relationship to a percentage of citizens. Even a 50% vote for a candidate is not a direct relationship with the citizens, just the voters.

          Part of a sociopaths power is in being able to convince you that they stand for what you want, or to convince you that they are from the same situation as you are. Once they get your sympathy, getting you to follow them is easy.

      • Karolyn

        Yeah, where is your citation to back up this statistic?

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Citation? Don’t you know that Frankahnstein and his cohorts believe in PFTA (Plucked From Thin Air)? The same place those lightning bolts came from that activated him in the first place.

      • Charlie

        Frank Kahn,,,
        Sociopaths WILL NOT know The Holy Bible very well ,,,”"In contexts”, harmonized and many sociopaths are from the lineage of Esau Edom… IF? a sociopath is curable ? he/she can be cured with a bullwhip and / or The Bible…. Meanwhile………….
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • Frank Kahn

          A sociopath could only be CURED BY GOD.

          And I am ignoring your implied insult.

  • Carol Brink

    Sociopaths are not always that intelligent. Sometimes they dominate in such a way so as to infer intelligence.

  • 45caliber

    Sociopath is simply a modern – and less alarming – name for psychopath. They have no sence of empathy and therefore cannot put themselves into another’s place. They cannot understand the pain they give others; they only fear pain to themselves. Further, the ONLY way for a sociopath to be able to live in our society is for them to have a personal fear of retribution for whatever they wish to do. Many cannot even fear that since they tend to act/react before they think of what they are doing. For instance, they will flare in anger and attack before they remember that they can get into trouble for it.

    For every sociopath in jail (and about 60% or more of those in jail are sociopaths) there are three or more who are “functional sociopaths”. These are people who can function in society without going to jail. The real problem is that those who do go to jail fail to find it as a deterent. Many will cause enough problems in jail that they will remain there the rest of their lives even if the original offense is minor. Those who do get out will generally be back in jail again within 6 months. One psychiatrist pointed out that unless jail/prison is so bad that they don’t want to go back, they will not be afraid of it and it won’t act as a deterent to committing other crimes.

    • Old Henry

      I wonder what the repeat offender rate is for Sheriff Arpaio’s jail…

      • 45caliber

        Good question. I wonder too. I doubt if it is as high as it is in other places and prisons though.

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      In todays world, people are judging their own evil nature by how evil their politicians etc. are. The line between good and bad is no no longer the Ten Commandments, it’s how bad we can percieve others to be. We’re going down and don’t even realize it. Man is evil by nature. You could call it, out of control. To dampen his out of control nature, he must learn to keep himself in control.

      • 45caliber

        CA

        There is definately a war going on between the atheists (those who don’t believe in God or believe themselves to be god) and the rest of us. Hollywood and Washington are full of them. Every day the TV and other medias are trying their best to convince us that we are wrong to believe in God or even in morals.

      • Karolyn

        Gee 45, why is it I never see this sabotage of God and morals going on? Are Christians so frail that any of this perceived conspiracy will hurt them in some way? Why do you believe this is directed at you? Why should it even bother you if you are secure in your beliefs?

      • S.C.Murf

        CA, there is so much pleasure in sin that’s it’s hard for man to turn away from. I find good men seeing how close to the abyss they can live without falling in, and what they need to do is see how far away they can get. I don’t believe man is evil just that satan is so powerful that the constant bombardment (mental and physical) by him and his demon’s is to much for man who forgo the help of Jesus. Jesus said that if I allowed you to witness the spiritual warfare that goes on around us that we would go instantly mad. We have to remember that God had given special powers to satan before his fall, and one of the big lies from him is that we can become our own god’s. He does this thru man made religions and mans own mindset.

        up the hill
        airborne

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Karolyn, maybe for the simple reason that what C A sees as wrong you see as right.You may have to remove the scales from your “eyes”.

      • Karolyn

        You remove your scales Nadzieja; I’ll remove mine. :-)

      • Karolyn

        There is no Satan S.C. Or, let’s say for sake of argument, you could even consider that there is no satan, and…. Oh, forget it; I know you won’t do that.

      • gunner689AI

        Karolyn: there are noneas blind as those that won’t see. The atheists, like the homos, are trying to indoctrinate our children to their beliefs. There are several infomercials aimed at children that push atheism. Karolyn; have you ever seen an evil that you didn’t embrace ? Way to much pole dancing for you girl.

      • Deerinwater

        45 says, ” Every day the TV and other medias are trying their best to convince us that we are wrong to believe in God or even in morals.”

        I guess it depends on what you are watching 45.

        I know this, I was raised under a Christian roof and every time the church doors were open, the whole family was there. Which made about 12 of us, unless some of the family were visiting other churches on any Sunday, as the Uncle did some preaching and pastor work. I was two weeks old on my first day in church and this continued unless I was 14 years of age. If we were traveling on vacation, wherever we was at, Sunday morning would find my family looking for a church to attend services and take the Lord’s Supper.

        Those good people had me seeing the devil everywhere I looked! ~ It was frightful, it was toxic shame that was pounded into me and took me years to overcome. Hells fire, damnation sin and repent! I was unclean, I was unworthy, i was responsible for my thoughts and taught to see the devil everywhere ~ BUT! Jesus loves me! as he cast me into hells fire.

        I suppose everyone has got a different story, ~ but it was I that lived this and I will never forget the way my family and the Church of Christ made me feel unworthy and dirty for being an innocent child.

        For you see?

        If you are programmed, you will see only what you are programmed to see.

        I don’t go that often anymore while I still support the church and church activities with tithing and an occasional visit to please an aging mother.

        A church is only as good as the people inside that church, ~ it can just as easily be a sickness that attempts to spread in the name of the Lord, or something much greater and grander.

        Today, I am a believer and follower of Christ teaching ~ after much soul searching and long study but to be quite frank , the church can kiss my holy a$$ets.

        It is not necessary to have the church standing between you and your maker a telling you want to believe and what to think.

        Humility, and Sin are two of the most misunderstood words you will ever here uttered.

        If you have a good church home, that should mean that it is working for you, that you are at peace with both yourself and the world, It means that you harbor no fears, have little doubt and you are not having to made decisions, your GOD is guiding your every step and making them for you. It means you have surrendered to Christ and now walk by faith.

        If your life is not such a life, a new church home is in order or find the Truth, the Light and Way on your own because you are not receiving what you need with what you have heard or done. Whether it is you or the church that is at fault, it does not matter. You have not yet received the “message” that make all of these things possible for you.

        Give , God a chance and permit him to work though you and for you. But understand, it is only you, ~ the only one ~ that can make these things possible. No one else can do it for you.

      • Charlie

        Karolyn,,,
        Who was that being that tested King Jesus at Matthew 4:4 ?…. Meanwhile………..
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

  • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

    Sounds like politicians

  • Old Henry

    Sounds like the perfect definition of Democrats / Liberals / Socialists / Progressives / aka Communists.

    Currently being lead by the Communist foreign national Kenyan.

    • http://www.facebook.com/tony.newbill1 Tony Newbill

      Question regarding the Sociopaths of the Fiscal Cliff , has President Obama become Monte Hall in the Game Show ” Let’s Make a Deal ” ,http://oi45.tinypic.com/2qdd5c6.jpg , making promises with items behind doors to the future which he cannot guarantee without a solid economic growth , something the President promised is on the right path but just needs more time and has offered hope for a Consolation Prize called Stimulus Debt these past 4 years and now has the American people Hooked on the hand out prizes instead of growing and expanding the supply-side economy to grow tax revenues ?
      You can see how some of the States have been players of the Game Show rather than debating why we are not expanding the supply-side economy to grow tax revenues ….
      ht tp://money.cnn.com/2011/01/23/news/economy/texas_perry_budget_stimulus/index.htm
      ht tp://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/gov-rick-scott-includes-failed-stimulus-money-in-budget/1172845

      See the problem still comes back to a fundamental of this Game Show using the same stagnate supply source while more and more people want to play the game , and this is where the debate needs to go , because the world is still growing in Population but the economy is not and that makes INFLATION unsustainable !!!! ht tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_problem

  • Stuart Shepherd

    You left out an important other characteristic of a sociopathic/evil person or persons- they distort, misrepresent, “twist,” exaggerate, or exploit (in a twisted way) the words or deeds of others (typically their “opponents”) in order to justify their own evil position or behavior or ENCOURAGE evil positions or behavior. Started with the serpent in the Garden of Eden (“Ye shall NOT surely die, but will be like God…”) and the Democrats are MASTERS of it. That’s why it truly is- like everything else- a struggle between good and evil. I’m not saying the Republicans are necessarily good (another discussion) but I AM saying the Democrats are evil- as in all of them because they support evil positions. You can’t “negotiate” with evil- it will corrupt you. That is what has happened to the Republican party (amongst its own interventionist demons). So, we’re doomed- basically.

  • Meteorlady

    So I’ve been thinking a lot about what we can and can’t do. We CAN work to change the system, but we probably won’t accomplish it because it has taken years to get it the way the “takers” want it to be.

    Here’s what we can do though… stop buying from corporations like GE. They don’t contribute to anything in this country, pay little or no taxes, expect and get government exemptions and use their lobbyists to get their way.

    We can stop supporting the major networks and newspapers that report less than accurate news or continue to report via biased articles and opinion pieces.

    We can stop doing business with companies that took bailout money. They were poorly run and they continue to be poorly run. If I was the CEO of GM I would be ashamed of myself. He’s over in China indicating that they are very important to GM and setting up 17 different joint ventures over there, while still not paying us back what he owes us. Meanwhile my parents lot a good bit of their retirement savings when the bondholders were duped out of their money.

    We can just stop supporting companies where their unions give 95% of all contributions to one party.

    We can stop supporting unionized teachers. Our school system is inadequate and we are sadly failing our children. Our local Superintendent just tried to fire 6 really bad teachers (there were pictures and movies of them reading the paper while children shot craps in the back of the room) and they could not do it.

    We can buy American whenever possible, but it’s getting harder and harder since we are mostly a service oriented economy.

    We can stop supporting brokerage firms that have had any hint of ethics violations, even if they were not prosecuted.

    Support small local banks, not Bank of American and other that took bailouts and manipulated us.

    We can lobby to stop lobbyist in Washington or at the State level. It’s unethical and does not represent We the People.

    Me? I closing my business the end of this year. I will not participate in anymore of my money being take by force and handed to some crackhead or lazy minority who had all the opportunities I had but was too lazy to take advantage. I have enough put away to support myself and my family and I will probably live part time out of this country until either some sense and ethical behavior comes back to our federal government, or there is bankruptcy and we start over.

  • robert in Boone

    Many On this site want to imagine the charectarization of the sociopath as the free wheeling liberal collecting some sort of benifits from the Goverment, blaming him or her for the nations economic problems. Some people have forgotten the decade long war that has been fought in the Middle East. Or the tax breaks that where given to greedy U.S. outsourcing corporations to provide jobs on the other side of the planet. Lets be accurate on what the cause and effect of a decade plus of poor leadership/policies has produced, rather than blame those that have been the victims of these economic failures.

    • rabidconservative

      Robert – private enterprise abhors the vacuum sucking profits out of risk taker’s wallets to reward democrat voters. Please excuse my use of reason and logic. Liberal lifestyles that destroy families, destroy society and further decadence are exactly why conservative muslims hate America. Surprise! Surprise! Liberalism has, does and will destroy civilization. Hopefully you will live to witness this although I won’t hold my breath waiting for any of your party to accept responsibility

      • robert in Boone

        Everyone has a conservative side and probably a liberal side as well. However I think it is a GOOD thing that Islamic extremist hate the U.S. because of our liberal perspectives. I am a Christian, but I don’t think I would like the extreme factions of the Christian right to invade my privacy or tell me how I should live. GOD BLESS THE U.S.A.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

    Dialectical contradictions are one of the pillars in Marxist philosophy, which states that contradictions eventually lead to a unity of opposites as the result of a struggle. This gave a convenient “scientific” excuse for the existence of contradictions in a socialist society, where opposites were nice and agreeable — unlike the wild and crazy opposites of capitalism that could never be reconciled. Hence the joke.

    Then one looks to America, where wild and crazy opposites of capitalism were supposedly at their worst. Until recently, however, the only contradictions that struck me as irreconcilable were these:

    Economic justice:

    America is capitalist and greedy — yet half of the population is subsidized.

    Half of the population is subsidized — yet they think they are victims.

    They think they are victims — yet their representatives run the government.

    Their representatives run the government — yet the poor keep getting poorer.

    The poor keep getting poorer — yet they have things that people in other countries only dream about.

    They have things that people in other countries only dream about — yet they want America to be more like those other countries.

    Hollywood clichés:

    Without capitalism there’d be no Hollywood — yet filmmakers hate capitalism.

    Filmmakers hate capitalism — yet they sue for unauthorized copying of their movies.

    They sue for unauthorized copying — yet on screen they teach us to share.

    On screen they teach us to share — yet they keep their millions to themselves.

    They keep their millions to themselves — yet they revel in stories of American misery and depravity.

    They revel in stories of American misery and depravity — yet they blame the resulting anti-American sentiment on conservatism.

    They blame the anti-American sentiment on conservatism — yet conservatism ensures the continuation of a system that makes Hollywood possible.

    I never thought I would see socialist contradictions in America, let alone write about them. But somehow all attempts to organize life according to “progressive” principles always result in such contradictions. And in the areas where “progressives” have assumed positions of leadership — education, news media, or the entertainment industry — contradictions become “historically inevitable.”

    If one were accidentally to open his eyes and compare the “progressive” narrative with facts on the ground, one might start asking questions. Why, for instance, if the war on terror breeds more terrorists, haven’t there been attacks on the U.S. soil since 2001?

    Why, if George W. Bush had removed our freedom of speech, was nobody ever arrested for saying anything? And if Obama has returned us our freedoms, why was a man harassed by police in Oklahoma for having an anti-Obama sign in his car?

    Why would anyone who supports free speech want to silence talk radio? And why is silencing the opposition called the “Fairness Doctrine”?

    HERE, RIGHT BRAIN STINKER, CONTINUED: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2199755/posts

    • eddie47d

      The Chinese put out some very good movies the same with Bollywood,the Russians and even Iran. You don’t need capitalism to make movies and I’m not talking about government propaganda films.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        The article focused on the movie-industry in the United States, not China or Russia, or Iran for that matter, but Bollywood in America; and how it uses its platform to disparage American tradition, namely Capitalism, while at the same time making insane profits from same system. You don’t find that the least bit ironic and contradictory? Btw, that was the whole point of the article which you so cleverly missed, or did you? As well, the film-industries in countries you mentioned above are state-owned and operated; big difference!

      • Vicki

        Eddie47d writes:
        “You don’t need capitalism to make movies”

        Of course not. You don’t need capitalism to make anything. You just need your own hard work. Now should you want to trade the fruits of your labor you might find capitalism a bit more generous then the other systems we chat about here.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Wake The Sleepers(Jay) says:

        “The article focused on the movie-industry and how it uses its platform to disparage American tradition, namely Capitalism, while at the same time making insane profits from same system. You don’t find that the least bit ironic and contradictory?”

        No more ironic and contradictory than that you would refer to ANY “profit” as from any sources as insane. I thought you believed in capitalism and the free market? Or are some capitalists and :profits” more acceptable to you than others? Like the “insane profits” of oil companies and GE (who doesn’t even pay taxes). Oh, wait, I get it—-the filmmakers are all LIBERALS, so their profits are “insane”, and the oil companies are the Koch brothers and they’re CONSERVATIVES, so we don’t talk about them.. (And your hypocrisy is showing, Jay—-in fact it’s running all over the floor).

        Jay says: “BTW, that was the whole point of the article which you so cleverly missed, or did you?”
        Jay, you need to carefully read the entire articles when you just lazily copy them word-for-word and post them here without any original thinking or thoughts of your own.. You might then discover that YOU are missing the point way more than those of us that actually read the horsepucky.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        RBT: No more ironic and contradictory than that you would refer to ANY “profit” as from any sources as insane. I thought you believed in capitalism and the free market?

        I do believe in capitalism, RBT. Again, the original point was that hollywood uses its privileged position to disparage American tradition, namely Capitalism, while at the same time making insane profits from same system.

        RBT: Or are some capitalists and :profits” more acceptable to you than others? Like the “insane profits” of oil companies and GE (who doesn’t even pay taxes).
        Oh, wait, I get it—-the filmmakers are all LIBERALS, so their profits are “insane”, and the oil companies are the Koch brothers and they’re CONSERVATIVES, so we don’t talk about them.. (And your hypocrisy is showing, Jay—-in fact it’s running all over the floor).

        They’re all Capitalists, RBT. The problem with you is that you allow labels to blind you from seeing the truth.

        RBT: Jay says: “BTW, that was the whole point of the article which you so cleverly missed, or did you?” Jay, you need to carefully read the entire articles when you just lazily copy them word-for-word and post them here without any original thinking or thoughts of your own.. You might then discover that YOU are missing the point way more than those of us that actually read the horsepucky.

        Ok, so lets hear it, what point did i miss?

      • eddie47d

        Jay; Bollywood is the India film industry and not government owned.

    • nc

      Jay. I hope I don’t interrupt your nap! While reading your rant against film makers I keep seeing those big monuments to socialism and Marxism they live in! You wonder why they don’t make more conservative friendly movies? Could it be that [expletive deleted] doesn’t sell well enough to keep them in their big socialist houses??? It’s called “profit making capitalism”! Who wants to see a movie about George w. bush, played by “look a like” Pee Wee Herman, skipping drill in a bar??? Great stuff. Yeah, Right!!

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

    As your comrade from the future, I also feel a social obligation to help my less advanced comrades in the American community, and prepare them for the transition to the glorious world of underground literature, half-whispered jokes, and the useful habit of looking over your shoulder. Don’t become a nation of cowards — but watch who might be listening.

    Let’s start with these few.

    People’s power:

    Liberals believe they’re advancing people’s power — yet they don’t believe people can do anything right without their guidance.

    People can’t do anything right — yet the government bureaucracy can do everything.

    The government bureaucracy can do everything — yet liberals don’t like it when the government takes control of their lives.

    Liberals don’t like it when the government takes control of their lives — yet they vote for programs that increase people’s dependency on the government.

    They vote for programs that increase people’s dependency on the government — yet they believe they’re advancing people’s power.

    Public education:

    Liberals have been in charge of education for 50 years — yet education is out of control.

    Education is out of control — yet liberal teaching methods prevail.

    Liberal teaching methods prevail — yet public schools are failing.

    Public schools are failing — yet their funding keeps growing.

    Their funding keeps growing — yet public schools are always underfunded.

    Public schools are always underfunded — yet private schools yield better results for less.

    Private schools yield better results for less — yet public education is the only way out of the crisis.

    Foreign radicals*:

    Foreign radicals hate America — yet they’re all wearing American blue jeans.

    They’re all wearing American blue jeans — yet they disdain American culture.

    They disdain American culture — yet they play American music, movies, and video games.

    They play American music, movies, and video games — yet they call Americans uncivilized.

    They call Americans uncivilized — yet they expect Americans to defend their civilization.

    They expect Americans to defend their civilization — yet they think American capitalism is outdated.

    They think American capitalism is outdated — yet most of their countries require American handouts.
    (* Some Democrat politicians have similar opinions about their redneck constituents — yet they won’t shut up about how proud they are to have their mandate.)

    Liberals and taxes:

    Liberals want to help the poor — yet they won’t give money to charities.

    They won’t give money to charities — yet they’d like the government to become a gigantic charity.

    They’d like the government to become a gigantic charity — yet the money has to be taken from people by force.

    The money has to be taken from people by force — yet they call it welfare.

    They call it welfare — yet higher taxes make everyone poorer.

    Higher taxes make everyone poorer — yet liberals find ways not to pay taxes.

    Liberals find ways not to pay taxes — yet they get to be chosen to run the government.

    Liberals and the CIA:

    The CIA is a reactionary institution — yet its agents always leak information that helps liberals politically.

    CIA agents always leak information that helps liberals politically — yet liberals say the CIA is clueless.

    Liberals say the CIA is clueless — yet in their movies the CIA is running the world.

    In their movies the CIA is running the world — yet they tell us that better intelligence could have prevented the war.

    Better intelligence could have prevented the war — yet “enhanced interrogations” of captured terrorists must not be allowed.

    Love and marriage:

    Sex differences are the result of social conditioning — yet homosexuality is biological.

    Homosexuality is biological — yet everybody is encouraged to experiment with it.

    Everybody is encouraged to experiment with it — yet venereal diseases are treated at the taxpayers’ expense.

    Venereal diseases are treated at the taxpayers’ expense — yet taxpayers have no right to impose standards since there are no moral absolutes.

    There are no moral absolutes — yet gay marriage is an absolute must.

    Gay marriage is an absolute must — yet family is an antiquated tool of bourgeois
    oppression.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2199755/posts

    • eddie47d

      Back to your lopsided dog and pony show Jay. That a boy the “old” Jay is back!

      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “Back to your lopsided dog and pony show Jay. That a boy the “old” Jay is back!”

        Back to your ad hominem attack show Eddie47d?. That a (boy?). The old Eddie is back.

        Oh wait. You hadn’t left.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        You know what, Eddie, i owe you an apology. In retrospect, i should have taken the time to substitute the label “Liberals” in the posts above, with the label, “Socialist-Progressives”, as that would have been more accurate. Again, my apologies!

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Jay says he “should have taken the time to substitute the label “Liberals” in the posts above, with the label, “Socialist-Progressives”.

        Jay seldom takers the time to insert ANYTHING into the horsepucky he digs up and so lazily posts rather than make any real arguments of his own. That would be too much work and since he is an intellectual and moral pig, he won’t do it and gain even the slightest bit of credibility.

        I should apologize a little because he DID make some changes to the horsepucky he lifted word-for-word from the “Floppijng Aces” site—-even though it was wing nut horsepucky, it apparently wasn’t strong enough for him so he had to add “-progressive” to the word “liberal” SEVEN TIMES to make sure everyone got his point.

        I have more to say about Jay’s intellectually piggish and lengthy postings later in the stream, but that is ……………CONTINUED

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        My my, RBT, such harsh and venomous words, delivered with the intent to incite your opponents into responding in like-manner. How original! So i suppose now, you are waiting for me to respond in like-manner? Sorry RBT, but i refuse to stoop to your level. Unfortunately for you, you will have to walk “the walk of shame” all by your little lonesome, RBT. Or is it professor RBT? Funny, you don’t sound like a professor; you sound more like a “street thug”!

    • Karolyn

      Why do I have such a hard time finding articles derogatory to conservatives written by liberals? In doing a search, I am always more likely to find material written by conservatives about liberals but very little by liberals about conservatives. Is it because liberals don’t waste their time preaching to the choir? Is it because conservatives are really perfect? :-) Or is it just because conservatives are more whiny and cranky?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        Because you’re not looking hard enough, Karolyn. Besides the socialists on this blog, here’s another you might have heard of.

        Bill Maher takes time off bashing conservative women to bash that state of Kansas(Video)

        So now the mid-west is on filthy pig Bill Maher’s “bash” list? If it’s not conservative women, or the south, you can always count on Bill Maher to bash some place that isn’t a liheral hell hole. Kansas of course is of the most conservative states in the union, so I guess it’s
        only natural this assclown would bash them. Of course, Obama’s mother was from Kansas, so piggy Maher may want to watch himself and pick another state to bash next week. Like maybe Indiana or something.

        http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2012/03/17/bill-maher-takes-time-off-bashing-conservative-women-to-bash-that-state-of-kansas-video/

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        Btw, Karolyn, my above posts cannot be considered hate-speech. Unless of course, you consider speaking the truth to be hate-speech?

      • Karolyn

        So you found one – Bill Maher – who I NEVER listen to and do not particularly like. I am dead serious. I am having a hard time finding derogatory material regarding conservatives unless it is reader posts.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        Here’s another, Karolyn.

        Media Research Center Documents Liberal Death Wishes Against Conservatives

        http://www.westernjournalism.com/media-research-center-documents-liberal-death-wishes-against-conservatives/

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        Here’s another.

        Liberal Media Ignores Death Threats Against Ann Romney

        http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2012/08/liberal-media-ignores-death-threats-against-ann-romney-2471348.html

        I could go on, Karolyn, but what would be the point. The fact is, there’s bashing from both sides. However, your disingenuous claim that you could not find, or were not aware, that there is bashing/disparaging-remarks from the left, is nothing short of ridiculous; thus you make yourself look ridiculous, not to mention, a liar.

      • Karolyn

        Jay – I AM NOT A LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Try searching something like the difference between conservatives and liberals and see what you come up with – a whole lot of conservative websites!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        Of course you’re not a liar, Karolyn, you just intentionally tried to miss-lead the readers; my bad!

      • Karolyn

        Gee, Whatever happeed to the kinder gentler Jay? Change of moniker, change of attitude (again)?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        What exactly is your problem with the truth, Karolyn?

      • gunner689AI

        No Karolyn; it’s because conservatives are normally right and liberals are normally wrong.
        I know it’s tuff to get your little brain around the difference but try for God’s sake !

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Karolyn,

        Don’t let Jay and the others dissuade you from the truth. You are 100% correct in saying that it is very hard to find any “bashing” of conservatives on the internet. It’s there, but it tends to be just juvenile and angry name-calling rather than the deliberate and sociopathic stuff the conservative “bashers” post as truth.

        As you say, a search will turn up countless conservative sites, and they are all singing the same tune and even quoting each other as “sources”. LOL It is a circular firing squad for them but they don’t see it that way. They see it as a reaffirmation of the “groupthink” that is so characteristic of conservatives and pat themselves on the back for being so smart. And I firmly believe that Rove and the Koch brothers actually fund many of them, their purpose being to flood the net with horsepucky “sources” that will cover up any real sanity that might be found. (Jay may work for them too)

        And Jay, who is always ready to debate in an unfair and unbalanced way, chooses Bill Maher as an example. Yes, Maher can get pretty nasty—what many fail to see, because they are turned off by that nastiness, is that nearly all of what Maher says has truth behind it. He tells the same truth that Jon Stewart does but Jay (who is the real filthy pig here), picks Maher as his example rather than Stewart because Stewart is more polite and won’t inflame the junk yard dogs as much.

        Perhaps Jay can tell us how Kansas represents the WHOLE Midwest—many “Midwest” states voted for O’Bama, remember. Jay says “Kansas of course is (one) sic of the most conservative states in the union, so I guess it’s only natural this (bad word deleted) would bash them”. Books could be written about why the conservatism of Kansas needs bashing—BUT WAIT, someone HAS written such a book! Thomas Frank wrote “What’s the Matter with Kansas?, and it’s a great read. Frank also wrote “The Wrecking Crew: How Conservatives Rule”, another great read that points out that conservatives don’t govern, they wreck. I recommend them to all on the site—-of course, most of the “conservatives” on this site don’t read BOOKS and rely on Faux News and horsepucky conservtive websites for their “education”—to be educated in their world means to look for and accept only those “facts” which agree with what they already strongly believe to be true. Back to Kansas—-it needs bashing because it IS one of the most conservative states. Kansas shows much insanity in its politics and the laws it has passed—-it IS worthy of a closer look—-read the book to see why.

        Jay also holds up the Media Research Center as a paragon of truth. I visit their site often and the one thing that impresses me about the site is that it works so hard to make something out of nothing. It too has trouble finding liberal “bashing” to complain about. At least MRC is pretty much “sane” in what it does say, unlike the other sites that Jay likes to steal from (….CONTINUED). Go look at Media Matters instead, Karolyn—it is the Ace of Spades in the world of truth (MRC is the Four of Hearts in comparison).

        And you ask: “Gee, Whatever happened to the kinder gentler Jay?” He never existed, Karolyn. One of the characteristics of sociopaths is that they “put on faces” in order to manipulate and control others. He fooled you a bit—be alert and don’t let him do it again.

      • JeffH

        RBT, you really are one sick delusional puppy, an intellectual moron!
        Media Matters? ROFLMAO!
        http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=there+coming+to+take+me+away&mid=2137CB054B35921918492137CB054B3592191849&view=detail&FORM=VIRE7

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        RBT: Don’t let Jay and the others dissuade you from the truth. You are 100% correct in saying that it is very hard to find any “bashing” of conservatives on the internet. It’s there, but it tends to be just juvenile and angry name-calling rather than the deliberate and sociopathic stuff the conservative “bashers” post as truth.

        So it is, there, the “bashing” of conservatives on the internet. Thank you for admitting the truth, which is more then i can say for your comrade.

        RBT: As you say, a search will turn up countless conservative sites, and they are all singing the same tune and even quoting each other as “sources”. LOL It is a circular firing squad for them but they don’t see it that way.

        The same can be said of liberal sites, so what’s your point?

        RBT: They see it as a reaffirmation of the “groupthink” that is so characteristic of conservatives and pat themselves on the back for being so smart.

        The same can be said of liberals. Again, what’s your point?

        RBT: And I firmly believe that Rove and the Koch brothers actually fund many of them, their purpose being to flood the net with horsepucky “sources” that will cover up any real sanity that might be found. (Jay may work for them too)

        And i firmly believe that Soros funds radical, left-wing web-sites and blogs, and its possible you work for him.

        RBT: And Jay, who is always ready to debate in an unfair and unbalanced way, chooses Bill Maher as an example.

        What’s unfair, the fact that i chose Maher as an example, or my debating tactics?

        RBT: Yes, Maher can get pretty nasty—what many fail to see, because they are turned off by that nastiness, is that nearly all of what Maher says has truth behind it.

        No, what you fail to see is that Bill’s sole purpose is foment the animosity between the left and the right, and you lack the intellectual capacity to notice.

        RBT: He tells the same truth that Jon Stewart does…

        You mean, they compare notes, and you agree with them because you are from the same litter of swine?

        RBT: but Jay (who is the real filthy pig here), picks Maher as his example rather than Stewart because Stewart is more polite and won’t inflame the junk yard dogs as much.

        Unlike your comrade, you are willing to admit that the bashing comes from the left, as well as the right. You do sugar-coated, but that’s ok. The fact that you admit it, is good enough for me. Thank you!

        RBT: Perhaps Jay can tell us how Kansas represents the WHOLE Midwest—many “Midwest” states voted for O’Bama, remember. Jay says “Kansas of course is (one) sic of the most conservative states in the union, so I guess it’s only natural this (bad word deleted) would bash them”. Books could be written about why the conservatism of Kansas needs bashing—BUT WAIT, someone HAS written such a book! Thomas Frank wrote “What’s the Matter with Kansas?, and it’s a great read. Frank also wrote “The Wrecking Crew: How Conservatives Rule”, another great read that points out that conservatives don’t govern, they wreck. I recommend them to all on the site—-of course, most of the “conservatives” on this site don’t read BOOKS and rely on Faux News and horsepucky conservtive websites for their “education”—to be educated in their world means to look for and accept only those “facts” which agree with what they already strongly believe to be true. Back to Kansas—-it needs bashing because it IS one of the most conservative states. Kansas shows much insanity in its politics and the laws it has passed—-it IS worthy of a closer look—-read the book to see why.

        Or it could be a plausible argument for election fraud?

        RBT: Jay also holds up the Media Research Center as a paragon of truth. I visit their site often and the one thing that impresses me about the site is that it works so hard to make something out of nothing. It too has trouble finding liberal “bashing” to complain about. At least MRC is pretty much “sane” in what it does say, unlike the other sites that Jay likes to steal from (….CONTINUED). Go look at Media Matters instead, Karolyn—it is the Ace of Spades in the world of truth (MRC is the Four of Hearts in comparison).

        Or you could just as easily establish your own media watch-dog organization and end the debate, RBT.

        RBT: And you ask: “Gee, Whatever happened to the kinder gentler Jay?” He never existed,Karolyn. One of the characteristics of sociopaths is that they “put on faces” in order to manipulate and control others. He fooled you a bit—be alert and don’t let him do it again.

        Be afraid, RBT, be very afraid…i’m coming to GET YA! Ooooo…

      • Right Brain Thinker

        I am going to have to go into “English professor” and “reading professor” and “logic professor” mode to deal with Jay.s thrashings here—he is so desperate to “score”.
        I won’t address all in detail, life is too short to waste too much time on Jay.

        “So it is, there, the “bashing” of conservatives on the internet. Thank you for admitting the truth, which is more then i can say for your comrade”.
        Read it again—you failed to catch the inference of DEGREE.

        “The same can be said of liberal sites, so what’s your point?”
        No, the same CANNOT be said of liberal sites, as anyone with half an open mind will see if they visit them.

        “The same can be said of liberals. Again, what’s your point?”
        No the same CANNOT be said of liberals except for those few that can be labelled “extreme”. My statement is far more inclusive of rank and file Republicans.

        “And i firmly believe that Soros funds radical, left-wing web-sites and blogs, and its possible you work for him”.
        Yes, Soros does fund liberal causes, but the evidence shows that the Koch brothers are far more “guilty” than he is when it comes to dirty dealings. And I’d work for him in a heartbeat—-it would be nice to get paid for saying things that he likely would approve.

        “What’s unfair, the fact that i chose Maher as an example, or my debating tactics?”
        Your tactics, of course, Maher speaks out just as the far-worse GasBag Rush does—Maher is fair game.

        “No, what you fail to see is that Bill’s sole purpose is foment the animosity between the left and the right, and you lack the intellectual capacity to notice”
        You lack the intellectual capacity to understand what I was talking about..

        ‘You mean, they compare notes, and you agree with them because you are from the same litter of swine?”
        Is this one of them there “ad hominem” critters Dave-Jeff-Dave-Jeff keep screaming about?

        “Unlike your comrade, you are willing to admit that the bashing comes from the left, as well as the right. You do sugar-coated, but that’s ok. The fact that you admit it, is good enough for me. Thank you!”
        Sorry Jay, I didn’t say quite what you imply and “sugar-coated” or “admitted” nothing. If you want to delude yourself into thinking that, fine—-I do realize how desperate you are for some success.

        “Or it could be a plausible argument for election fraud?”
        Does this have anything to do with what I said about Kansas?

        “Or you could just as easily establish your own media watch-dog organization and end the debate, RBT”
        Why bother, Media Matters is doing an excellent job and makes MRC look like You and DaveH-JefFh-daVEh-JeffH were running MRC.

        “Be afraid, RBT, be very afraid…i’m coming to GET YA! Ooooo”
        In your dreams, Jay. (Although I may dream about what would happen if you showed up on my doorstep)

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Wonderful post (Jay). Thanks.

  • Charles A

    Every sentence of the article describes BO.

    • Deerinwater

      No Charles , it sounds more like you and your friends.

      Profile of the Sociopath

      This website summarizes some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.

      Glibness and Superficial Charm ~ that not Obama, but Mitt Romney

      Manipulative and Conning
      They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims. again Mitt Romney and friends

      Grandiose Sense of Self
      Feels entitled to certain things as “their right.”

      Pathological Lying
      Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.
      (They can believe their own lies , like Fox News)

      Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
      A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

      Shallow Emotions ~Mitt lost because he could give away enough “stuff”
      When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

      Incapacity for Love

      Need for Stimulation
      Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.

      Callousness/Lack of Empathy ~ Mitt love to fire people
      Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others’ feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

      Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
      Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

      Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
      Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet “gets by” by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc. ( tied you to the top of a car and go on a road trip)

      Irresponsibility/Unreliability
      Not concerned about wrecking others’ lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed. ( oh boy! pay dirt!)

      Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
      Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.

      Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
      Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively. ( I understand Mitt was seen pump gas at a station in San Diego last week, ~ I hear here resides there.

      Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
      Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.
      Other Related Qualities: ( Oh! Gee! Where’s my halo?)

      Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
      Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
      Authoritarian
      Secretive ~ 1 year tax return? just one?
      Paranoid
      Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
      Conventional appearance
      Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
      Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim’s life
      Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim’s affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
      Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
      Incapable of real human attachment to another
      Unable to feel remorse or guilt ~
      Extreme narcissism and grandiose
      May state readily that their goal is to rule the world

      I don’t suppose any of you can relate to these signs?

      • Frank Kahn

        I can see you describing Obama exactly in that post. I can also see that you are too blind to see it yourself because you are incapable of seeing the truth. You have demonstrated that lack of ability many times so no argument is accepted nor reply needed. You fail, no justification is acceptable.

        • Deerinwater

          Hey Right ! You know what FOX NEWS tell you, they sure lead you wrong on this recent election, ~~ don’t tell me ! It was rigged, ~ Mitt with all his billions could only give away tax free money while Obama was giving away condoms!

          Frank, you are one of the 5 most sickest ,most misinformed posters here. I love you man , you are the DNC’s most powerful secret weapon.

          Please,~ by all mean ~ continue being you, i wouldn’t want you to be any other way.

          • Frank Kahn

            I READ ALL YOUR BS DEER, DONT CALL ME SICK TILL YOU HAVE SOMEONE CHECK YOU FOR BRAIN DAMAGE. The DNC is not a party it is the Democrats. They dont need any help because they are evil incarnate. Cant say much better for the Republicans. You are insane to BELIEVE the crap that Obama shoves down everyone throats. He is wrong on everything. He gives to his little children with money from the real people.

            I wont argue these points because I will live long enough for history to prove the folly of your insanity.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Can we start referring to him as FranKahnstein? But wait, the good doctor’s creation actually deserved our sympathy and Frank doesn’t. Hmmmm—let me rethink that.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        Can we start referring to you as “Hooligan”, RBT?

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Jay asks, “Can we start referring to you as “Hooligan”, RBT”?

        You sure can, Jay, although I’m forced to again remind everyone that you are getting ever more frantic and desperate in your feeble attempts to “one up” me.

        If I started thinking of names to call you, I could come up with 20 in no time at all, but “hooligan” would not be among them. There are many better names for you. Just as there are 20 names I could think of to describe ME that would make you look a lot less desperate if you used them instead of “hooligan”, which is really not descriptive of me.

        Just for kicks, why don’t YOU actually CITE some things I have said that would lead one to believe I am a “hooligan”. The only place you’ll find them is in your horsepucky pile and they won’t be your thoughts but just copied and parrotted words. But maybe I’m being unkind—-go ahead, do as I suggest and show us you picked the “right” word.

        You may have noticed that the name “Frank Kahn” and the “stein” fit nicely together and make “FranKahnstein”, which is a word play on Frankenstein and his “monster” that wasn’t really a monster. Did all that really go over your head? It didn’t seem to go over Frank’s head Looks like he got the joke since he didn’t “fire back” as you have the desperate need to do with so many of my comments, even ones that aren’t directed to you.

        Let’s see, folks, if Jay is paying any attention and learning from his mistakes. If he IS, he won’t respond to this. If he isn’t, he will come back with something inane (or maybe he’ll go find another of my comments in the thread and “snipe” at that, since this one would appear to be a dead end for him—-if he had any sense, that is).

      • Charlie

        Frank Kahn,,,
        Sociopaths are called out at 2 Peter 2:12 ,,,I noticed your ignoring of My last comment ,,,so ,,,her is another……… Meanwhile……………..
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • Frank Kahn

          That passage, Charlie, does not negate my assertion that only God can heal them. Nor does it uphold your assertion that some form of corporal punishment would change them. As it says, they are not mindful of what they do, they are like animals. And I am paraphrasing a little there.

  • http://yahoo.com Joann Flanagan

    That describes Ceasar Obamus Abominus all right!
    Joann Flanagan

  • Karolyn

    Excerpt from from excerpt “Moral Politics: How Liberals and Conservatives Think” by George Lakoff, 2002. Very interesting.

    Conservatives like to make fun of liberals, claiming that liberals just don’t speak their language. Again, the conservatives are right. There is a language of conservatism, and it’s not just words. The words are familiar enough, but not what they mean. For example, “big government” does not just refer to the size of government or the amount spent by it. One can see the misunderstanding when liberals try to reason with conservatives by pointing out that increasing the amount spent on the military and prisons increases “big government ” Conservatives laugh. The liberals have just misused the term. I have heard a conservative talk of “freedom” and a liberal attempt a rebuttal by pointing out that denying a woman access to abortion limits her “freedom” to choose. Again, the liberal has used a word that has a different meaning in the conservative lexicon.

    http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/467716.html

    • Deerinwater

      They have boxes Karolyn, ~ too few to contain the topic, so rather then identify and use proper labels which requires more boxes , they put anything that confuses them in the liberal box.

      They don’t want smaller government, ~ they want to pay less for big government. Ronnie Reagan proved this to be so ,as did W Bush. They will walk a tab, in a heart beat and leave others responsible for payment as they complain of just too much spending.

      They don’t want to pay for their wars, they don’t want to pay for their tax breaks , they don’t want to pay for their health care ~ but they want these things none the less.

      They want us to pull their wagon and then take credit for every yard the wagon moving.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

      One of the tactics most used by liberals, who do not have an argument to support their failed policies, is to redefine the meanings of words. Liberals (or, as they now like to be called, progressives) have introduced an era of political correctness so as to offend no one, a rewriting of language and history to ensure that words and phrases that offend certain special interests are redefined or excluded from the vocabulary of those progressives and liberals. You will notice this redefining of the language whenever you read liberal publications or watch liberal broadcasts of the evening news.

      Prolific readers may recognize the term “Newspeak,” from he George Orwell novel 1984 about an oppressive socialist world. Socialists, Marxists, and liberals want to, need to redefine words. They may be morally bankrupt, but they are smart enough to realize that most people will not accept their distorted worldview. So they must redefine their bad ideas into good ones, and redefine good and practical terms into bad ones.

      The pattern has been for liberal-progressives to redefine all political debate to the point that anything which does not conform to their agenda is instantly characterized as “rancor,” “extremism,” or “hate.” While liberal-progressives have engaged in such tactics for many years, the degree to which it is currently done has grown in recent years. The Tea Party’s devotion to fiscal sanity is “draconian” or “mean spirited.”

      Concern for the moral preservation and restoration of the nation and its foundational institutions including traditionally defined marriage, is “homophobic” or “hateful.”

      Protection of the unborn is “sexist” or “anti-woman.”

      Recognition of the cultural and spiritual roots of the nation, and their critical importance to its future are “religious intolerance” or “xenophobia.” Yet Congresswoman Maxine Waters is called “mainstream” by the MSM.

      With the redefinition of words in mind, let’s examine some words that liberal-progressives have redefined. I am sure that you can add a few more.

      Discrimination: a word that has lost meaning in the progressive era from over use by the MSM and this administration. To liberal-progressives discrimination means not giving equal stuff to members of minorities, who should have whatever they want, and everyone else must pay for those wants.

      Diversity: a blend of several unique items coexisting, such as a diversified stock portfolio. Liberal-progressives however, define this word to describe racial, religious, cultural, and other “diversity” promoted within a single society that they define.

      Equality: An idea which states that each member of a given group has equal value or equal authority. To liberal-progressives it means forced equal outcomes regardless of skill, experience, or effort, as in racial quotas.

      Progressive: A “progressive” focuses on using government power to make institutions play by a set of rules. But liberal-progressives want to define “the rules.” Are you beginning to see how subtle liberal-progressives can be? Does the EPA come to mind?

      Prejudice: “Prejudice” means literally to pre-judge. But liberal-progressives cannot stop there – they add racial or class or sex or … so as to fit their agenda and change the meaning of the word.

      Racist: The MSM and current administration have used this word so much that the word has lost relevance in any honest debate. To liberal-progressives it means any person or organization that disagrees with the policies of the current administration.

      Rainbow: A “rainbow” is literally a circular color spectrum appearing in the sky due to the result of refraction and multiple reflections of sunlight in droplets of water. Liberal-progressives have redefined the word as a symbol of homosexuality. It has also been redefined and used by left-wing political pressure groups to refer to their agenda of multiculturalism. The word has also been mis-used by liberal-progressives as a symbol of “diversity.”

      Tyranny: Tyranny literally means oppressive power exerted by government. THIS WORD IS NOT PRESENT IN THE PROGRESSIVE LIBERAL VOCABULARY. I wonder why?

      Union dues: To liberal-progressives, union dues means voluntary contributions from individuals who are happy to belong to a union and agree with all actions the union takes. In actuality, it is money coerced from union members as a condition of employment. This Is what It has come to.

      Senator Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) said that fear of being labeled “prejudiced” may have prevented whistle-blowers from notifying authorities about the violent evolution of Army Maj. Nidal Hasan before he launched his deadly terrorist attack on Fort Hood in 2009, in which 13 people were killed and 30 wounded. “At one point, for instance, he [Hasan] stated in front of a group of them that he thought a Muslim-American soldier would be justified in killing his comrades in defense of Islam,” said Senator Lieberman. “And I think some of the rest of it came from a fear of making waves, and particularly making waves that would cause the people who were making them and reporting Hasan [might] put them in jeopardy of being labeled as prejudiced,” continued Lieberman.

      http://floppingaces.net/2011/09/03/liberals-redefine-words-reader-post/

      • Deerinwater

        “One of the tactics most used by liberals, who do not have an argument to support their failed policies, is to redefine the meanings of words. ”

        You mean like “Pro Life or Right to Life” like there is an “Right to Death or Pro Death” ? or an increase in deficit reduction? or quantum easing or option derivatives.

      • Deerinwater

        or lower taxes creates jobs? ~ I believe 8 years proves that false as it seem to create more entitled elite than anything else.

      • Al B Tross

        Tyranny is NOT exclusive to Government, rather government is a tool abused by Tyrants.
        The term refers to a socialy dominant power structure, be it corporate or monarchy, patriachal or Authoritarian, you still have a tyranny when violence and intimidation are used to suppress civil liberties.

    • gunner689AI

      Is murdering your babies all that matters to you liberal “ladies” ? Try keeping your legs crossed and learn to say “NO” to every low-life you cross paths with. You broads are pathetic; no wonder you didn’t get the vote for over a hundred years.

  • Lawrence

    Are you sure you are not describing President Obama and the democrats?

  • SJJolly

    Sciopaths that aren’t smart and / or charming are called thugs. Lots of organizations, on both sides of the law, find use for them, in and out of government.

    • http://yahoo.com Joann Flanagan

      Sandra Fluke is a perfect example.
      Joann Flanagan

  • Karolyn

    Join NO LABELS – No Budget, No Pay for Congress!
    http://www.nolabels.org/whoweare

    • gunner689AI

      back on the pole girl; break times over.

      • Deerinwater

        These sexist remarks are getting old Monkey Boy. I appeal to your good judgement and sense of fair play and refrain from future sexual innuendos .

        Sincerely,

        Longshanks Deerinwater

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

    A basic problem for progressives is their rejection of and discomfort with reality. That attitude, unfortunately, creates a number of problems for them as well as for the rest of us.

    There is, for example, much about human nature that bothers progressives. They do not like the fact that self-interest is the prime motivator in human decision making. This is at the root of why they speak so disdainfully of profits. The profit motive makes them cringe. For progressives “profits” is a four letter word. They would prefer people to be motivated strictly by charitable impulses and altruism. Rather than recognizing that being motivated by self-interest is a necessary survival tool, progressives conflate self-interest with greed and then blame greed for many of society’s ills.

    Part of the genius of Adam Smith was his non-judgmental acceptance of human nature. He recognized that self-interest is the primary motivator in human behavior. Rather than wasting his time denying or lamenting that, he explained how a market economy does the best job of bridling that force and can actually lead to beneficial outcomes for society in general. He wrote, “It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities but of their advantages.”

    There are a number of features of a market economy progressives do not like, and they do everything they can to suppress or eliminate them. In their minds a market economy leads to an unacceptable level of inequality. In a market economy, some people get extremely wealthy. Progressives simply cannot abide that. It irritates them beyond belief. Because it results in an unequal distribution of wealth, progressives are willing to essentially scuttle the entire market economy. Their attitude is essentially, “Stop the economy! I want to get off.”

    A critical component of the market is competition. Competition results in winners and losers, but progressives don’t want anyone to lose. Of course, competition isn’t unique to the market; it occurs almost everywhere and bestows profound benefits. Competition is quite literally a fact of life. As Darwin made clear, it’s a key component in the process of evolution. The late economist George Stigler called competition “the patron saint of consumers.” It’s difficult, perhaps impossible, to like reality if you don’t like competition.

    Because intentions govern their policies, progressives show no interest in looking at evidence. Their denial and disregard of evidence is another reflection of their dislike of reality. Evidence is about reality; intentions are about fantasizing and self-indulgence.

    Another clear example of the progressives rejection of reality is their absolute dislike of budgets. Budgets are one of the clearest instances where reality meets the road. Living within a budget is a form of living in reality. Progressives in Washington and various state capitals do everything they can to delay passing budgets or living within them once they’re passed. Deficits as far as the eye can see are the unfortunate result.

    Humanity is another part of reality that progressives aren’t particularly happy about. They’re convinced that humans should be far less plentiful. In terms of global population, the smaller the better. Many of them feel that in most instances an abortion is preferable to a live birth. A variation of progressivism is environmentalism. Environmentalists consider humans to be much more a curse than a blessing.

    The problem with the progressive’s dislike of reality is how it’s affecting the rest of us. If you don’t like reality one response is to deny that it exists. Denial is a frequent cause of individual and societal problems. From a practical standpoint, this means behaving as if consequences don’t exist or don’t matter. Unfortunately, we will be dealing with the damage done by their ill-considered good intentions for many years to come.

    http://spectator.org/archives/2011/08/23/the-liberals-reality-problem

  • gunner689AI

    Besides BO this article described the Clintons to a tee.

  • Louis Lemieux

    Successful politicians are those who are compassionate enough and who at the same time can take a lot of criticism without cracking under pressure. Of course those who don’t share a politician’s political ideology will be blind to his compassion and will have a tendency to view his strength in face of criticism as sociopathic behavior.

    • rabidconservative

      Louis
      When you destroy the productive sector, compassion will not be funded. Hello? You have re-elected a party that has done nothing but continue killing businesses. You either get a check or work for the government. FYI:That isn’t productive. You don’t believe me. Fine. Just be honorable enough to admit your error when starvation drives mobs to the streets.

      • Deerinwater

        Here is what’s killing business and not Obama ~ he is attempting to stop this circus and too many politician and the court are corrupt

        http://www.sfgate.com/business/networth/article/Mary-Schapiro-s-mixed-marks-as-SEC-head-4068463.php

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        And Obama’s going to do that all by himself, Deerinwater? How, exactly? By going after the same people who put him into office? Are you suggesting that Obama will now bite the hand feeds him? Well, so far he hasn’t, as he is still walking and breathing, and the fact that he was just granted another 4 more years is proof that he will continue towing the party-line as his previous predecessor did… and the one before that, and the one before that…come on Deer, snap out of it! Obama is no different from any of the previously manufactured-tools of the gangster-banksters!

        • Deerinwater

          “And Obama’s going to do that all by himself, Deerinwater? How, exactly? By going after the same people who put him into office? Are you suggesting that Obama will now bite the hand feeds him? ”

          He can only try Jay and he is not alone, and it will be very difficult. So tell us Jay, who did put him in office? For It was not the affluent elite.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Perhaps WTS(Jay) got up too early and isn’t fully awake yet—”previous predecessors”? And “towing the line”?

        What he seems to be saying in the more intelligible parts of his comment is that O’Bama owes much to the Wall Streeters in terms of the campaign contributions they gave him. One thing that many Democrats have criticized O’Bama for is not moving quickly and strongly enough to slap down the financial sector and also that he has had too many Goldman-Sachs and other Wall Street types in his administration.

        Much as I hate to admit it, there is some small truth to what Jay says here.when he talks about “not biting the hands of the gangster-banksters”—the problem is as Deer I W states and the article he cites supports that. (see Issa)

        (and before anyone wonders how I could agree with anything Jay says, let me remind you that any bird who spends its time pecking at steaming piles of horsepucky, as Jay does, is bound to find something edible once in a while)

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        Obama is replacing his chief economic adviser – Larry Summers – with Gene Sperling.

        Sperling is currently a counselor to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, and is now being appointed as Obama’s chief economic adviser. He’s been there before: Sperling will hold the exact same post he held under Bill Clinton – National Economic Adviser to Clinton and director of the National Economic Council.

        In that post, Sperling was principal negotiator with Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers in finalizing the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act Financial Modernization Bill which repealed Glass-Steagal.

        And Shahien Nasiripour notes:

        Sperling … served as a consultant to Goldman Sachs, and in 2008 harvested sums reaching seven-figures for his work there and in delivering speeches to the highest ranks of the financial services realm.

        Economist Dean Baker and the liberal pundit Robert Kuttner [note that] a key item on Sperling’s resume is the nearly $900,000 he earned as a consultant for Goldman Sachs, at the very time the bank was playing a leading role in the worst financial crisis since the Depression.

        Sperling earned Obama’s enduring gratitude late last year when he played an instrumental role in delivering the deal to extend the tax cuts handed out by President George W. Bush to the wealthiest Americans in exchange for continuing emergency unemployment benefits.

        Granted, many on the left and right say that Sperling has a warm, cuddly streak, and he has done some good things, his background and past actions indicate that he think exactly the same as Summers.

        Obama is also replacing chief of staff Rahm Emanuel with William Daley.

        Daley is a senior executive VP of JP Morgan. He was Emanuel’s mentor, and President Clinton’s Secretary of Commerce. And yes, he is a scion of the Daley family of Chicago political fame.

        Different day, same crowd …

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Where’s the citation for this comment, Jay. It looks like another one of your copied word-for-word messages. It also sounds way too much like it’s from a “reporter” to be original you so we will need a source (since you never deal in FACTS as a reporter does).

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        Well make up your mind, RBT, do you want a citation or don’t you? Btw, would it make any difference where you are concerned, as never read the article? Either way, RBT, you always dismiss the article. So why do you cry for a citation, while at the same time you say i shouldn’t bother? Confused much, RBT?

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Jay proves my point yet AGAIN as he sputters and thrashes in his eagerness to “one up” me.

        There’s something missing here, Jay What’s the (****) supposed to be in:
        “….. difference where you are concerned, as (****) never read the article?” Might mean something if you took the time to proofread. But you’re desperate and hurrying, so we understand.

        Jay says, “Either way, RBT, you always dismiss the article”. Not 100% true, Jay. The articles are horsepucky from the right, but my real dismissal is of YOU and the way you misuse and abuse the trust of everyone on this site, including your friends. ALWAYS.

        You also ask, “Confused much, RBT?”

        No, Jay—-not where you’re concerned. I see you more clearly every time you post something. Have you ever considered that others are seeing “the real you” also and that you’re shooting yourself in the foot here?

    • Frank Kahn

      Hey Lou, compassionate, Obama, BWAHAHAHAHA

  • Farleyagain

    Well, Johnny Debb decided to come back to the US after France decided he owed it 75% of his profits. Not as socialist as you might think after all.

    • Deerinwater

      WoW! No wonder Jack Sparrow walks so funny! ~ Well, the good ole USA is hard to beat over the long haul.

      I enjoyed Mexico until my blue eyes got me in more trouble then my money could buy me out of. Maintaining a standing army is sort of expensive.

      Belize was nice, has some of the best beaches and best fishing in the world, a certain rustic charm with warm people that speaks the Kings English. ~ And it cheap! but I didn’t work , just played.

      I wonder how Australia would be? I was there in 1970 on R&R, ~ I loved the people, while the country and her sea hold everything God made mean and down right unfriendly.

      I am looking forward to seeing Johnny Debb play the part of Tonto in the up coming Lone Range , aren’t you?

      • gunner689AI

        Try New Zeland, if you can get in. Great climate and great people. I love Belize for bone fishing. Turneffe is fantastic !!

  • rabidconservative

    In order for Obama to win the election, he had to make jobs as scarce as charitable liberals and prices as inflated as his own self-image. The president did this by destroying the private sector thus forcing Americans onto the dole. What he didn’t tell single women, Hispanics and blacks is that by destroying the private sector, he eliminated the source of America’s wealth. Who will produce products and services at competitive prices and pay taxes? Obama supporters should take a bow. You have not only destroyed America, you have cut your own throats.

    • Deerinwater

      So? That your story and you’re sticking to it?

      Good, ~ you hang on to that idea. That works for me if it works for you.

      Can you tell us what a conservative is and does without telling us what one is not?

      I understand the “rabid” part. That is something that has lost cognoscente thinking and displays a self destructive behavior.

      • rabidconservative

        DIW – when oblah blah crashes the dollar, admit you were wrong.

        • Deerinwater

          okay ~ and when he doesn’t? would you come to my party and bob for French Fries?

  • Joe America

    Sociopaths? Isn’t that a good description of politicians?

  • sam1966

    There are many sociopaths on this site like Rob Smith, Truesoy, Smelly (smilee), JON, Flushy, and many others as they meet all the requirements as listed in this article. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

    You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot. This leaves them out.

    “It may please the Lord of Hosts to grant that a spirit of incorruptible patriotism and of pure, undefiled religion may universally prevail.”

    Continental Congress
    March 16, 1776

  • Right Brain Thinker

    Right Brain Thinker says:
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    November 27, 2012 at 8:58 am

    Can anyone explain why the names of only a few commenters on this site show up in blue while the vast majority appear in black?

    And why Bob Livingston and WTS(Jay) ar among the blue ones? Hmmmmmm—-I wonder if GALT knows?

    • JeffH
      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        Lol…!!!!

    • Right Brain Thinker

      I’m serious, fools. The fact that Bob and Jay are “blue” may be more than a coincidence, as may be the fact that DAveH-JeffH-DaveH-JeffH has now chipped in, all one of him.

      Do we have a conservative sociopath conspiracy hiding in plain “blue” view here? Do we need a congressional investigation? The Repugnants in Congress seem to be good at that rather than “governing”—-maybe we can involve them?

      By the way, the tune has a nice beat at first, but it turns out that it has only three notes and juvenile repetitive lyrics—-JUST LIKE YOU GUYS. So I only listened to the first 20 seconds and tuned it out—-just as I do with you.

      Taking a break from life to comment here. I’ve been busy having a REAL life, raking leaves, READING A BOOK, talking to my wife, etc—-so I haven’t finished my comments on Jay’s posting habits—they are to be ……….CONTINUED.

      • JeffH

        LMAO! Did you check underneath your bed…they’re all watching you…the white coats won’t be far behind…they’re coming to take you away ha ha!
        http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=there+coming+to+take+me+away&mid=2137CB054B35921918492137CB054B3592191849&view=detail&FORM=VIRE7

        Reply

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        Hey Jeff, looks like the weasel is about to pop…

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        RBT: Taking a break from life to comment here. I’ve been busy having a REAL life, raking leaves, READING A BOOK, talking to my wife, etc…

        Hmm, you make sound more like work than a life, rbt…so you come here to escape?

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Not to sound like an English professor, but you aren’t making sense here , Jay. I said somewhere else on the thread that your feeble attempts to one-up me were just showing everyone how desperate you were getting. Thanks for proving my point.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

    Speaking of psychopaths, Socialists only reap, they do not sow. The Fathers of Socialism; Stalin, Mao and Hitler

    “Government officials are often lunatics, some with genocidal tendencies, so that wouldn’t be at all unusual.”
    - Justin Raimondo

    The USA’s Pledge of Allegiance (& the military salute) was the origin of Adolf Hitler’s “Nazi” salute under the National Socialist German Workers Party (Nazis).

    The swastika was used by the military and by socialists in the USA and in the USSR, before it was used by the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP).

    The swastika, although an ancient symbol, was also used to represent “S” letters joined for “socialism” under the National Socialist German Workers Party (Nazis), similar to the alphabetical symbolism for the SS Division, the SA, the NSV, and the VW logo (the letters “V” and “W” joined for “Volkswagen”).

    Francis Bellamy & Edward Bellamy touted National Socialism and the police state in the USA decades before their dogma was exported to Germany. They influenced the NSDAP, its dogma, symbols and rituals.

    Join the pitiless unmasking of the insincerity of socialist policies. Understand their sense of inadequacy, low self-esteem, disinterested meanness and an inability to face the unpleasant truth about themselves. Expose the prattle of the ‘anti-industrial revolution.’ Tell socialists: All of the improvements in your standard of living are not the result of socialism, but are the product of productive individuals who are better than you: capitalists.

    In 1939, after the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, the “news” outlets in both countries rhapsodized about the cooperation between the two socialist countries. Finding examples of that old propaganda is almost as difficult as finding old photographs of America’s stiff-arm salute.

    It led to the socialist Wholecaust (of which the Holocaust was part): ~60 million slaughtered under the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics; ~50 million under the People’s Republic of China; ~20 million under the National Socialist German Workers’ Party.

    The deadly dogma of socialism led to Anthropogenic Global Warring (AGW). It also led to Anthropogenic Global Cooling (AGC), at least in regard to human bodies, which reached room temperature at alarming rates.

    One would expect that the unhinged and always violent pro-government socialists would have vaporized after their Stalin, Mao, Hitler et cetera apotheosis, but that is not the case.

    Adolf Hitler, leader of the National Socialist German Workers Party, was the third or fourth worst mass-murderer in history (behind Mao Tse Tung, Joseph Stalin, and, on a per capita basis, Pol Pot) and Hitler was elected and won by a landslide.

    Mao Tse-tung is at fault for a death toll that is higher than the 34.1 million combat deaths in “all wars between 1900 and 1987,” including World Wars I and II, Vietnam, Korea, and the Mexican and Russian Revolutions.

    Mao Tse-tung’s was to blame also for China’s great famine of 1958 to 1961.

    More government means you need more guns.

    They supported “equality”: They worked overtime to reduce inequality of life spans.

    Socialism is monarchy with a “new, improved” name. It is monarchy where the kings are deranged homicidal maniacs.

    The more I learn about government, the more I like my guns.

    Can anyone explain “Why They Kill”? Some books argue that “violent socialization” (aka violentization) is the source of crime. It can involve brutalization and belligerance. Other books argue that poverty shares blame.

    Socialism causes widespread poverty, and it has even been used deliberately to commit murder by causing widespread famine (as in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and in the Peoples’ Republic of China). Socialism is violent socialization.

    It involves brutalization and belligerance (war). In 1939, Germany under the National Socialist German Workers’ Party joined as allies with the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics to invade Poland in a pact to divide up Europe, spreading WWII. The worst death tolls even today: ~60 million under the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics; ~20 million under the National Socialist German Workers’ Party (NSGWP); ~50 million under the Peoples’ Republic of China. Even after the German National Socialists ceased to exist, Soviet Socialism and the Peoples’ Republic of China went on to kill even more millions. The following well researched material is worth reading:

    Lethal Poltics, R.J. Rummel;
    Death By Goverment, R.J. Rummel;
    Execution By Hunger, the Hidden Holocaust, M. Dolot;
    A Study In Tyranny, Alan Bullock;

    They set the worst records that have never been broken in the socialist Wholecaust (of which the Holocaust was a part): the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics with ~60 million killed; the Peoples’ Republic of China, ~50 million; the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, ~20 million). It is known by many names including:

    the anti-capitalist holocaust; the anti individualist holocaust; the anti minarchist holocaust; the anti capitalist genocide; the anti individualist genocide; the anti minarchist genocide.

    It resulted in the persecution of everyone who supported liberty and who opposed bigger government, bigger spending, authoritarianism, and socialism. Individualists and capitalists were persecuted by socialists in the modern inquisition: the anti minarchist inquisitions; the anti-capitalist inquisitions; the anti individualist inquisitions.

    The National Socialist German Workers Party even persecuted Jewish people as capitalists. The modern socialist inquisitions greatly exceeded the old inquisitions in numbers of people slaughtered. It is referred to as the modern dark age, or the socialist dark age.

    As an attorney, Rex represented people facing the death penalty for murder. He never defended anyone as murderous as governments and government officials (the worst: Union of Soviet Socialist Republics with ~60 million killed; the Peoples’ Republic of China, ~50 million; the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, ~20 million).

    Socialists thought up a new plan to cure poverty: kill poor people. Of course, they killed rich people too. And the plan didn’t work, it did not cure poverty. It multiplied it.

    Socialists criticized the U.S. government for voting against U.N. resolutions declaring rights to food and “to the highest attainable standard of physical and mental health.” The engine of human progress is not pretty words inscribed on papers formally approved by government officials. Chapter X of the 1936 Soviet constitution “guarantees” a host of splendid economic “rights” – to leisure, health resorts, maternity leave, fair pay, and on and on. The U.S. Constitution mentions no such things.

    JUST SAY NO TO SOCIALISM. Socialism is the opiate of the asses.

    http://rexcurry.net/artlibertarian/yst_follo.jpg

    • Right Brain Thinker

      Where’s the citation for this piece, Jay?

      I don’t need the bumper sticker that this link leads to—haven’t got room for it anyway—-not with my:

      SAVE MEDICARE–VOTE DEMOCRATIC
      O’BAMA 44
      SEMPER FIDELIS
      THE RIGHT PEOPLE LOST THE ELECTION, and
      BEWARE OF CONSERVATIVE SOCIOPATHS

      stickers taking up all the space.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        RBT: Where’s the citation for this piece, Jay?

        Can you make up your mind, RBT?

        Right Brain Thinker says:
        November 24, 2012 at 2:41 pm

        You didn’t need to bother, (to my attempt to post link after the fact) Jay. It’s just another one of your horsepucky sites designed to further delude the already deluded and misinform the already misinformed.

        So it matters not to you whether i do or weather i don’t, post a citation. The issue with you is not whether i post a citation or not, but the content of the article; you do not agree with the content. Hence, you resort to personal attacks, the only refuge of too many angry but misguided critics. And you claim to be a english professor; or is it a science professor, or is it global-warming expert? Please understand, as it is rather difficult to keep up with your stories that seem to change from day to day; and no doubt you are equally burdened by the same, yes? You have my sympathies…

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Jay is getting quite desperate in his attempts to counter my arguments. Of course, it IS difficult to counter things that are original with things you copy from the world of horsepucky in which Jay finds all his “ideas”.

        Just imagine how long it takes him to find something that he can COPY AND PASS OFF AS HIS IDEAS that says exactly what he needs it to say in order to counter my ORIGINAL thinking. Think of all the stinky conservative horsepucky he must dig through. YOU have MY sympathies, Jay, although you don’t deserve them.

        Jay asks, “Can you make up your mind, RBT?” as he takes out of context and cites a specific posting I made on another thread about a totally unrelated issue. A look at the date of my comment shows that it’s not this thread because this thread didn’t exist on 11/24—its first day was 11/26.

        So, as I said, Jay is getting desperate when he can’t counter what I say RIGHT HERE AND RIGHT NOW AND IN HIS FACE without searching through the many threads of PLD to find SOMETHING, ANYTHING to try to use in his weak attempts to discredit me.

        And his slick and smarmy and snarky language is just more evidence of the sociopath in action as he attempts to manipulate you. I will repeat my earlier admonitions—they are appropriate here also:

        RESIST!
        Fight back with all your might!
        Don’t let a sociopath tell you how to think!.
        ……….and a new one…………..
        Don’t trust anyone who screams “personal attack” when that is simply not true.

        • Frank Kahn

          OKAY, RBT, I accept your premise, and the implied challenge to use cogent personal thinking to counter your misinformed ranting.

          I have noticed that you seem to think that right brain thinking is superior to the left. This is wrong, and it comes from you using your right hemisphere for thought. I am giving a list of attributes associated with each for comparison.

          left brain
          Logical sequential rational analytical objective

          right brain
          random intuitive holistic synthesizing subjective

          I personally enjoy using both sides for a more balanced outcome, however I would like to point out some things that might be causing the problem with your analysis of the subjects.

          Logical and objective indicates the ability to analyze a situation using facts outside personal opinion in an OBJECTIVE manner. And, being rational is important in this process.

          Random and intuitive indicates the use of unrelated items in opinions from your personal views to make a SUBJECTIVE decision.

          While a right brain person generally makes a better artist they are not as suited to scientific pursuits as a left brain person.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

    The Obama Administration: Socialists, Narcissists, And Psychopaths; notice the word “Liberals” is not used!

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/tales-from-fast-and-furious-conclusion-narcissists-socialists-and-psychopaths/

    • Right Brain Thinker

      Of course “Liberals” is not used. Why bother when you’ve used Socialists and Psychopaths—-aren’t they synonymous in your mind?

      Jay is once again searching out wing nut horsepucky to post, thereby taking up space on the thread and diverting you from seeking truth.

      Speaking of “paths”, Jay is again showing his sociopathic tendencies as he tries to control you and poison your mind with his lazy postings from the world of horsepucky. RESIST! Fight back with all your might! Don’t let a sociopath tell you how to think!

      • JeffH

        I’m going crazy
        I go crazy crazy yeah
        Crazy crazy crazy

        If you want me there
        Come and make me fear
        Everything about me you know
        I’ve tried to hide it so
        Your all around, I can’t hide
        It’s like the devils sneer inside

        I’m crazy crazy
        You know you are to blame
        You all now know my silly game
        It took some time I cannot last
        I’m finally done I have no class
        My hate makes me a progressive loon
        What’s hiding there makes me crazy crazy

        There coming to take me away ha ha ho ho
        There coming to take me away ha ha ho ho

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        RBT: Of course “Liberals” is not used. Why bother when you’ve used Socialists and Psychopaths—-aren’t they synonymous in your mind?

        Who, Socialists and Psychopaths? Yes, of course, isn’t that obvious?

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Jay is losing it, OBVIOUSLY. He is now acting like DaveH-JeffH-DaveH-JeffH and making irrelevant and inane comments in some sort of foolish attempt to “one-up” me.

        I SUSPECT that he is playing some feeble semantic game in which he is pointing out that I should have said “aren’t Socialists and Psychopaths synonymous WITH LIBERALS in your mind?” to be 100% clear, rather than rely on everyone’s intelligence to know that’s what I meant.

        Yes, desperation breeds desperate actions. Of course, Jay avoids real debate anyway. In this case he would rather snipe. That’s obvious.

      • JeffH

        RBT says “Jay is losing it, OBVIOUSLY. He is now acting like DaveH-JeffH-DaveH-JeffH and making irrelevant and inane comments in some sort of foolish attempt to “one-up” me.”

        “one-up” me? I doubt very seriously that this is the “pissing match” you believe it to be. Your desperation is consuming you. The boogeymen are in the left side of your brain…they’re coming to take you away.

        Seek help RBT, seek help!

  • http://tlgeer.wordpress.com tlgeer

    “This is the first time that US has a traitor in the White house, who is up to destroy US. He is a true believer in Marxism and Islam, two supremacist ideologies that belong to a dung heap of history and not in America.”

    ALL of these are examples of schizophrenia and/or just plain hate.
    “He is systematically destroying the private sector to force Americans to beg him for crumbs.”

    “And…. we must not discount the over-whelming voter fraud committed nation-wide.”

    “Yup, the demon-possesed are in the White-house, no doubt about it, and a few are on this board, that being; the fifth column, with their bleached and starched sheets(radical-socialists). Can’t you just hear the sound of their heels clicking?”

    “They have no way to defend the Magic Negro, so they just throw out stupid, meaningless comments.”

    “So your hero Obama was supported by George Soros and Georges is busy betting against the dollar and buying gold and silver.”

    “The name calling etc is all too common in any debate and often from both sides. Poor training as children in public schools. Or simply liberals following Rules for Radicals.”

    “Actually, it sounds more like the halfrican and his ilk. Takers, not makers.”

    “Dave67 continues to be an idiot and spew his hatred of you. I’ve heard that stems from jealousy. Davey67 secretly admires you and wants to be like you, but it goes against his DNA which is programmed to be one of the takers. He is sorely conflicted and it’s eating him up. Perhaps soon he and others of his ilk will eat themselves up and disappear.”

    “We are slowly , but acceleratingly sliding into a MODERN version of Feudalism, if not DARK ages.”

    “Their window dressing is not working on everyone and they also know that, so thats why they will push for total control over the Internet, and guns, the only two reasons we are not all in camps at this very moment.”

    “Islam does not have them, and there is the rub. Islam is incompatible with US Constitution and with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and that is why having a President subverting US constitution to cover up for Islam and extolling Qur’an while dissing Bible is the main danger to US. Islam IS out to get US and Western civilization and the Muslim Brotherhood is in Oval Office, dictating the terms.”

    “We’ve all been brainwashed by the Public Schools and the MSM.”

    “Obamaclaus is for sure the Sociopath in Chief.”

    “Liberals, on the other hand, believe in larger government, redistribution and less control over their personal lives, the shedding of more of their personal responsibility and the general acceptance of mandates from the govrnment to further protect them in their day to day lives. They will always support any candidate who promises to make their future brighter and give them more free stuff.”

    “Actually, the President is a pathological narcissist.”

    “To rap up the presidents attributes in a word, he’s EVIL.”

    “You have simply described communist, illegal alien Muslim Insane Hussein – the perfect sociopath, narcissist and psychotic fool!”

    “Now, through the great Social Security Scam, we Americans are being impressed into service for Great Britain’s banks. Go to http://wp.me/pCW6e-7h to read “The Bankers’ Blueprint to Destroy American Sovereignty” where all the actual statutes and regulations are in evidence directly from the government printing office.”

    “Karolyn: there are noneas blind as those that won’t see. The atheists, like the homos, are trying to indoctrinate our children to their beliefs. There are several infomercials aimed at children that push atheism. Karolyn; have you ever seen an evil that you didn’t embrace ? Way to much pole dancing for you girl.”

    “Currently being lead by the Communist foreign national Kenyan.”

    You left out an important other characteristic of a sociopathic/evil person or persons- they distort, misrepresent, “twist,” exaggerate, or exploit (in a twisted way) the words or deeds of others (typically their “opponents”) in order to justify their own evil position or behavior or ENCOURAGE evil positions or behavior. Started with the serpent in the Garden of Eden (“Ye shall NOT surely die, but will be like God…”) and the Democrats are MASTERS of it. That’s why it truly is- like everything else- a struggle between good and evil. I’m not saying the Republicans are necessarily good (another discussion) but I AM saying the Democrats are evil- as in all of them because they support evil positions. You can’t “negotiate” with evil- it will corrupt you. That is what has happened to the Republican party (amongst its own interventionist demons). So, we’re doomed- basically.”

    “Liberal lifestyles that destroy families, destroy society and further decadence are exactly why conservative muslims hate America. Surprise! Surprise! Liberalism has, does and will destroy civilization.”

    “No Karolyn; it’s because conservatives are normally right and liberals are normally wrong.
    I know it’s tuff to get your little brain around the difference but try for God’s sake !”

    “Every sentence of the article describes BO.”

    “That describes Ceasar Obamus Abominus all right!”

    “Humanity is another part of reality that progressives aren’t particularly happy about. They’re convinced that humans should be far less plentiful. In terms of global population, the smaller the better. Many of them feel that in most instances an abortion is preferable to a live birth. A variation of progressivism is environmentalism. Environmentalists consider humans to be much more a curse than a blessing.”

    “When you destroy the productive sector, compassion will not be funded. Hello? You have re-elected a party that has done nothing but continue killing businesses. You either get a check or work for the government. FYI:That isn’t productive. You don’t believe me. Fine. Just be honorable enough to admit your error when starvation drives mobs to the streets.”

    “In order for Obama to win the election, he had to make jobs as scarce as charitable liberals and prices as inflated as his own self-image. The president did this by destroying the private sector thus forcing Americans onto the dole. What he didn’t tell single women, Hispanics and blacks is that by destroying the private sector, he eliminated the source of America’s wealth. ”

    • Deerinwater

      These are all Fox News “talking points” Tigeer. ~ offered up by Karl Rove no less.

      And really, ~ this is good! The Gop is systematically destroying themselves as they continue do the same things and expect a different results. ~ While we all know , the end results will be the same as they continue to alienate and polarize themselves from the rest of Americans.

      For just an example , they make the claim of wanting smaller government while they expect more of government and made government larger. They want, drug testing for every government employee, on everybody drawing unemployment ~ who is going to do that and who is to pay for it? They want voter ID with wild claims of voter fraud, but who’s to pay for it? Is this for all states or just the states they fail to carry?

      They want to subject women on assisted women wellness care , to perfunctory body cavity search, ~ just to humiliate under the guise of concern ~ who to pay for this?

      It’s good to keep up the good fight and I know that we can count on you to carry the banner of “Equality and Fairness for all Americans as you have proven to be very capable.

      Let us enjoy this high ground that we command today, while needless to say, Fox News viewers don’t see it that way. ~~~ That is good, ~ their disinformation serves us well, it is a doubled edge sword and cuts both ways. Let us not fall into the same trap and believe in lies just because that is what we want to hear.

      Keep up the good fight.

      Carry on Soldier.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        And you say the GOP is doing all of the things you just mentioned, Deer? Hmm, i was under the impression that a soldier(s) must first understand the reason for the war and why they are fighting it and who they are fighting…i guess that principle isn’t applied by socialists, i suppose. Yup, their black and we’re white…chaaaarge!!!! Well, keep up the convoluted fight…CARRY ON SOLDIER!!!

        • Deerinwater

          Yes, Jay ~ today ‘s GOP leadership is attempting to do all of those things and many more superfluous acts of desperation. Today, the GOP attempts to create it’s own reality , finding actual reality ~ unpleasant. SSDD! $ame $hit, different day

          Soldiers fight for many reasons Jay, ~ The reasons are as numinous as dead soldiers. For some, it’s as simple as the womb from where they came, for theirs it’s self preservation, for some, the adventure and blood lust, ~ for myself, like most 19 year olds ~ I wasn’t doing anything important and felt the calling to be a small part of something much bigger then myself and serve my country as it called to me. One nation under God, “with Liberty and JUSTICE for ALL”.

          Today, ~ little has changed other then I am now old and a different kind of soldier. I fight with words and ideas for a better American that honors it contract with every citizen and not just the few some deem worthy for materialistic reasons. I see America’s wealth in it people and not what is in their pockets.

          The message today, is the same as it was yesterday, ” One nation under God, with liberty and justice for all”

        • Deerinwater

          A GOP Governor that is soon to be history ~ and what the GOP has done. You don’t win votes by blocking the vote! Rick Scott will find his rewards. ~ NONE too Soon.

          “It’s finally out in the open. After months of denying it left and right, Republicans have admitted that Florida’s new voter suppression law is intended to…well, suppress votes – particularly the votes of minorities who vote Democratic.”

          “You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to figure that one out, but the former head of the Florida Republican Party is admitting that Governor Rick Scott’s new voting law is an effort “to cut down on early voting because early voting is not good for [Republicans],” explaining that “the prevailing thought is that they don’t think minorities will ever vote Republican.”

          It’s a despicable mindset – denying members of minority groups the right to vote because they don’t vote your way – yet Republican Governor Rick Scott is still in denial and the egregious law limiting voting opportunities is still on the books.”

          We all saw the long lines in Florida on Election Day, and we’re all too familiar with the Republican shenanigans that can happen in Florida during a close election.
          Yet Governor Scott says he’s “very comfortable that the right thing happened” when he signed a law that cut the number of early vote days from 14 to eight.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        Deer: Yes, Jay ~ today ‘s GOP leadership is attempting to do all of those things and many more superfluous acts of desperation. Today, the GOP attempts to create it’s own reality , finding actual reality ~ unpleasant. SSDD! $ame $hit, different day.

        So what you are saying is that, the GOP is “attempting” to do all those things and many more…Now, what if they should succeed, what would that mean? I mean, who is in charge here? Did we not “elect” Mr. Obama, again? And, did we not elect him because of his fiery rhetoric; i’m going to clean house, i will put the bad guys in their place, i will end corruption, i will..i will…blah blah blah. So now you are saying that he is incapable to do any of those things, that this man is completely useless, and not fit for the office of President. Did i read you right, Deer? I mean, what was the point of re-hiring this man, if all we can “hope” from him is empty promises and no “change”? Is he a man or a mouse?

        But you know what, Deer, you can play the game of separating a pack of hyenas into two groups, and delude yourself into believing that one group is more evil then the other, but it doesn’t change the fact that they are all, hyenas. And as you may well know, i have no doubt, a pack of hyenas work extremely well together to bring down a prey, even though at times they fight amongst themselves. Come on, Deer, where the hell did you go? Where is the discerning-Deer i grew so fond of?

        As to the rest of your post, no offence, but i distracted myself with searching for a bucket!

        • Deerinwater

          Jay says;
          “So what you are saying is that, the GOP is “attempting” to do all those things and many more…Now, what if they should succeed, what would that mean? I mean, who is in charge here? Did we not “elect” Mr. Obama, again? And, did we not elect him because of his fiery rhetoric; i’m going to clean house, i will put the bad guys in their place, i will end corruption, i will..i will…blah blah blah. So now you are saying that he is incapable to do any of those things, that this man is completely useless, and not fit for the office of President. Did i read you right, Deer?”

          I say; No Jay I didn’t say that and I don’t recall Obama using those words. ~ Obama did made the commitment to address some of the things that you mention, but as you well know, we have a President and not a King. Any President elect is limited to what they can and cannot do. But why must I waste precious time explaining something that you well know. I refuse to pander to you Jay. You are smart! This dumb act will end this conversation.

          You can look at it as, ~” we elected Obama” if you wish, or you can accept the fact that we didn’t elect Mitt Romney. ~ that you are not claiming foul or voter fraud is a grand improvement and not overlooked by me ~ suggesting some progress has been made.

          2016, Jeb Bush and Criss Cristie is where you need to focus Jay. ~ these two will be your upcoming GOP heavy lifers ~ prepare for tomorrows success today.

          The DNC, needs to do likewise ~ Obama will be hard act to follow, we must start our search now. My guess, it’s already began.

      • Deerinwater

        Jay says;

        “Hmm, i was under the impression that a soldier(s) must first understand the reason for the war and why they are fighting it and who they are fighting…i guess that principle isn’t applied by socialists,”

        I say;
        Well ? ~ I’m left to guess you were never a soldier Jay.

        Jays says,
        “i suppose. Yup, their black and we’re white…chaaaarge!!!! Well, keep up the convoluted fight”

        I say;
        That would be the soldier loyal to the womb Jay, and explain your position (which I was already aware of, while maybe you were not)

        Convoluted? your word. ~ There is nothing confusing, ~ who and what we fight today is more clear then anytime since May of 1941. There is nothing convoluted, the lines have been drawn, ~ Ron Paul defined them, you and like minds twisted and drew them and Mitt Romney validated them.

        Jay, you only make me stronger and more devoted to the cause with your selection of words. . Thank you.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Wake The Sleepers(Jay)

        Clearly, i have offended you Deer, and understandably, you have retreated to a position where you feel safe, that is familiar to you, and you feel in control. Perhaps that may be the best for you, as the uncertainty of what could befall you, should you step out of your paradigm, must cause you great distress. I agree, play it safe.

      • Deerinwater

        Whatever blows your dress up Jay.

        It was fun, Goodnite

        carry on,

      • Right Brain Thinker

        You have offended me too, Jay. Considerably. And I will repeat yet again that you are an intellectual and moral pig. Through you smug and condescending comments here, YOU “have retreated to a position where you feel safe, that is familiar to you, and you feel in control”, once again showing all of us what a sociopath and loser you are.

        It’s a shame that those of us who have stood the wall like Deerinwater have to listen to your sick spoutings, but that’s part of the deal, I guess—one of the little backfires in what soldiers fight for.

        Should you ever “step out of your paradigm” and come near any of the “soldiers”, you will need that bucket you were looking for—-to carry your ass home after one of us hands it to you. I’d fight the world to be first in that line.

        Semper Fi, Deerinwater! Keep telling it like it is!

  • Amy

    O Bama were a sociopath we would have heard about rapes, sexually harassment, extramerital affairs, steeling or shady business deals, abuse, child abuse, neglect, heavy alcohol use, likely, etc. He does not fit this, but sadly many rich people do. Not all, but many.If

    • Deerinwater

      WE have! Where did we hear them?

    • Toy

      Truly, Obama, or whatever his real name is, is a most remarkable charlatan.
      He certainly scrubs up well. (Ditto, his wife.)
      I rather liked the judge’s comment, when pressed on the question of a rather odd SS No.,”
      to the effect that it didn’t matter; it was not to be queried, that he was only concerned for the president’s privacy!

  • GSP9993

    This describes most of our politicians especially the liberal socialists.

  • http://www.facebook.com/anna999 Anna Onativia

    Sounds like our highest person in office and some of our politicians.

    • http://midcontent beand inspector

      It sounds like all socialist/marxist democrats, they want eeveryone to only have so much money and depend on government. That is for everyone but them. Most all of our dem Congress persons and dem Pres have lived off of taxpayers or their ancestors, in short sentence worthless pukes in soiety. Chuck U. Schummer is a prime example of a dem smuck of one strain and greasy tax fraud Rangel who was chairman on the tax weiting!

  • John

    I am new to this comment section of Liberty Digest. To all , may I recommend “no reply” when the ignorant “BO” supporter types in his/her nonsense. They simply are not intelligent enough to deserve a reply. They will know soon enough what their ignorance has brought upon themselves and this nation.

    • Deerinwater

      So I guess in the meantime we such just take your advise and wait for your foretelling? That seems easy enough to do. We can pretend that we are making a voyage on the Love Boat and all agree and laugh and tell jokes while we smugly shine our halos and count our many virtues as we display them strutting about so proudly.

      This very attitude is the GOP’s downfall in the most recent election. ~ leaving the GOP left to make your wish come true being their only redemption.

      It’s a sad state of affairs when all you got is “I told you so” . ~

      Many of us are big on Jesus here, you the guy? The one that told us to love thy neighbor as thy self, to walk by faith and not be sight, to fear not for I am with thee, that to do to the least among us, we do to him?

      Have you John, accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as the Holy Ghost and your personal savior?

      Where you have of not, welcome to Mr. Livingston’s Personal Liberties Forum, You will find it livery here and in good company. ~ If you came to preach to the choir, you have came to the right place. ~ And especially with anything Ben Crystal writes. He not exactly the Don Rinkles, “King of the Put Down” but he has his own way of reaching out to the lowest common denominator among us, kicking off a lively thread that quickly wanders off topic as self proclaimed conservatives like to strut their stuff.

      Everyone makes me happy John , some when they walk in and some when the leave ~ so what shall it be Big John?

      Everyone! Permit me to introduce John. He is a Foxed News watcher too and has advise and news to share of the forthcoming that will make your day.

      • Charlie

        Deer,,,
        There is no such thing as believe only salvation ,,,John 3:16,,, John 3:5 has to be brought into play along with John 3:22,23,,,, BUT,,, it’s easier just to say Acts 2:38 , because it does all the above ,,, Acts 2:38 is salvation…
        So,,, don’t be teaching something that ain’t in The Bible total “”"”"”"”Contexts”"”"”"”"”Meanwhile…
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        • Frank Kahn

          NO, CHARLIE, IT DOES NOT

      • Charlie

        Frank Kahn,,,
        Your shout to Deerinwater , that you are smarter than God is heard,,,BUT,,,can you prove The Bible wrong??? Meanwhile……………………
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • Frank Kahn

          Since I never said I am smarter than God, you will have to provide a quote and maybe a reference link to my statement which is causing you to infer this conclusion. It is you who constantly harps on proving the Bible wrong, I have never said IT is wrong, only that your INTERPRETATIONS are wrong.

      • Charlie

        Frank Kahn,,,
        I don’t interpret the Scripture I read it as written ,,,you are the one that “”Twist” words until black turns white… Meanwhile……………..
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • Frank Kahn

          Always wrong, Charlie. I twist nothing, I only point out your failing in your “reading” (interpretation) of some parts of the Bible.

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