Social Studies Teacher Teaches Constitution, Gets In Trouble For Thwarting Busybodies

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A high school social studies teacher in Illinois got in hot water with his local school board for… teaching students that they have Constitutional rights.

John Dryden, a 20-year veteran teacher at Batavia High School, not far from Chicago, told his class that they could not be forced to answer questions on an in-class survey about emotional and at-risk behavior. The surveys, which reportedly had students’ names printed on the documents to be filled out, included a series of queries on personal topics and about whether they engaged in drug and alcohol use.

Here’s how the school describes the survey:

Batavia High School will use the BIMAS to monitor students’ progress in the areas of social and emotional development. Results of the BIMAS will be analyzed at a building level to assist staff in planning and implementation of social emotional supports to help all students grow to their fullest potential. It is a systematic process of detecting students who are struggling behaviorally and are at-risk for experiencing a range of negative short- and long-term outcomes. If your child is found to be at risk and is not currently receiving social-emotional supports within the school, a member of the building’s Student Services Team will notify a parent to discuss options for support.

Dryden, who has garnered substantial support from students, parents and some Batavia officials, told his students they had a Constitutional right, per the 5th Amendment, not incriminate themselves with answers to the April 18 school survey. For his efforts to teach his students about their rights, Dryden told the Kane County Chronicle that school officials docked him a day’s pay.

A petition to the school’s administrators expressing disdain over the disciplinary actions had garnered more than 8,000 signatures by the writing of this article.

The petition describes Dryden as follows:

John Dryden is a uncharacteristically engaging educator who sees it his duty to make his students aware of their rights as citizens. He encourages critical thinking, problem solving strategies, and educational stewardship from all of his students.  His learning objectives go beyond mandated standards and bring student awareness to real-world concerns.

The school had not previously informed students whether participation was mandatory or optional but an email to parents said their children could choose not to take the survey if they notified the district by April 17.

Per Chicago’s Daily Herald:

“Oh. Well. Ummm, somebody needs to remind them they have the ability not to incriminate themselves,” he recalled thinking. It was particularly on his mind because his classes had recently finished reviewing the Bill of Rights. And the school has a police officer stationed there as a liaison, he pointed out. [A school official] said the results weren’t shared with police.

“I made a judgment call. There was no time to ask anyone,” Dryden said. If the survey had been handed out a day or two before, he said, he would have talked to an administrator about his concern.

Instead, he gave the warning to his first-, second- and third-block classes. The test was given to all students during third block.

He suspects it was a teacher who told the administration about what Dryden had done, after the other teacher had trouble getting all the students to take the survey.

Just to be clear, the National Council for the Social Sciences social studies as “the integrated study of the social sciences and humanities to promote civic competence.” One would be forced to conclude that, by giving his students a real-world opportunity to realize the importance of their Constitutional rights, Dryden has proven himself an ideal social studies educator.

Of course, maybe the school’s administrators just wanted to know if they could frame any autistic students for peddling dope, like those fine educators over at Chaparral High School in Temecula, Calif.

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

  • independent thinker

    Despite anything they might say to the contrary you know the school would use any information they gathered against the students who gave an answer the school deemed improper.

    • gma14

      Or social services would use it against the PARENTS!! Even anonymous forms can be pinpointed to certain students–they don’t all write the same and the teachers know it!! Don’t be mislead into thinking they wouldn’t use it against someone in the future–there was a reason for the questionnaire to begin with!!

      • tccsmith

        Nefarious reasons no doubt!

  • Stephine

    God what a bunch of BS. If I had to take one of these tests you can bet your ass that there would be a lot of empty space, unless I was feeling particularly rebellious and give them a bunch of BS answers. They tried to pull something like that at my grandson’s school. He came home and told us that they gave all the students this test that had nothing to do with academics but on drug use personal or friends. He was one of the smart ones and didn’t answer anything. We got a call from the school to come in and discuss the grandson’s attitude and belligerence (I have custody of my grandkid). Well it was not a pleasant meeting for them but they tried to give me the song and dance routine that we did send out a notice that this test was to be given and a guardian needed to opt the student out. That went over even less pleasant. “WTF do you mean the guardian has to opt them out. For christ sake the kid is 17 I think he is old enough to make decisions. What are we trying to raise sheep. Well in our house we raise leaders. Good day.” and I walked out. Never heard anything more about it.

    • Don 2

      Good for you Stephine! You can bet these paper trails will come back to haunt many of these students. I can imagine anti-2nd. amendment Democrats/Communist referring to them later in life, for example, when one of these students applies for a concealed carry permit, and it is denied because of some foolish teenage act.

      • AMERICAN PATRIOT

        NO citizen needs to buy a permit for what they have a right, to do!
        How insane is this when we have a RIGHT, then some illegal government agency decides on its own, that WE THE PEOPLE now have to BUY our rights FROM government, and ONLY use them when they permit us to…NONSENSE!

    • gma14

      My great grandson had to switch schools when they moved. He was very upset because they didn’t have a lag at school and never did say the Pledge of Allegiance. One of his uncles went to school with him and asked why this was so. The principal told him he was a Socialist and didn’t believe in saluting the flag!! He was told in no uncertain terms he was a Communist and they left–the 2nd grader was home schooled at that point!!

      • tccsmith

        Good for you. How about it folks? Home School or die.
        Just say’n!!!!!

        • AMERICAN PATRIOT

          Home EDUCATING is the BEST way to ensure your children get an actual, WELL-ROUNDED education, and NOT learning how to play sports, honor drug using sports figures, and cheering the ‘home team’ as a result of POOR education!
          My son LEARNS the Constitution, what ALL his rights are, and WHY they are so important to me and my family.
          History books of schools are filled with crap, lies and stories about things that never took place, or surely, not as depicted in those books! History KNOWS that Columbus NEVER landed on our shores, didn’t know where he was, had no idea of who he would see, if anybody, and could NOT use a sextant to find his geographic location, or even navigate properly, if he assumed he reached the ‘new’ world, or India for that matter! The books used in school gave this fool credit regardless…
          The Vikings landed ON American soil, there is physical proof of this. But NO mention of the Vikings being here over 600 years BEFORE Columbus was even born!
          Edison was an ‘okay’ inventor, Lee deforest was a charlatan and a thief, he had no idea of how his own inventions actually worked, but applied for a patent on as many ‘inventions’ as he could. Edwin Armstrong was a far better inventor, and he actually invented a method of altering an RF carrier so it could be modulated using FM instead of AM, which was in common use back then. Instead of impressing the audio onto the carrier, he frequency modulated the carrier (simplest explanation used).
          Nikola Tesla invented the first A.C generating system, but was pushed out by Edison’s claim that it was dangerous, so D.C was used, Until people found out it was NOT able to be transmitted for great distances, like A.C was able to, and A.C was also SAFE and cheaper to generate than D.C, as fewer stations are required to produce an even greater supply of current to light and power American homes at the turn of the 20th century.
          Marconi didn’t invent radio either, Fessenden, tesla and Hertz, as well as others were far more involved than Marconi was, Marconi only made headlines by equipping ships with his radio equipment, and then had them indicate this on their flyers when you booked passage. Commercials were also played that blasted Marconi’s name to the public, and this is probably WHY so many know the Marconi name today.
          No different than Hitler, tell a lie often enough, it BECOMES the TRUTH!
          Schools are fully behind this thought process as well.

    • tccsmith

      Good for you, and AMEN!

      • http://batman-news.com samurai

        I second that AMEN! Here is something dealing with liberty, but not in school.
        http://www.lastresistance.com/2179/governor-perry-vetoes-a-threat-to-liberty/
        FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
        You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
        “Cursed be all that learning that is contrary to the Cross of Christ.”
        Rev. John Dickinson
        Founding father
        Devout Christian

  • BarrackHussein

    Chicago is Obama’s vision of the future.
    Seig Heil

    • momo

      Ein Reich, Ein Volk, Ein Furher, Chicago style.

      • AMERICAN PATRIOT

        In plain language, One State, One People, One Leader…Mitt der Chicago auf die hinterland!

  • Darral

    The Democratic party controls, rules over our schools, Abolish this destructive Treasonous Democratic party so we can get back to education instead of socialist communist brain washing, and let the Teachers teach.

    • wandamurline

      Since we cannot seem to rid ourselves of the cancerous mestasis of the Democrapic party, we just need to do away with the Federal Department of Education….Texas just cut out the CSCOPE indoctrination here and we are working to get rid of the Regional Service Centers in Texas…enough indoctrination of our kids. Other states should follow Texas….get control of your kids’ educations, or get them out of the public school system and home school.

      • tccsmith

        Home School!!!!!

      • AMERICAN PATRIOT

        COMMON CORE SUCKS!!

    • Jeff

      Where’s your other brother Darral?

      • Darral

        Which one.

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          D’oh! :-) :-) :-) FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
          “Blacks had no rights which the white man was bound to respect; and…the Negro might justly and lawfully be reduced to slavery for his benefit.”
          Chief Justice Roger B. Taney
          Dred Scott Decision 1857
          Libturd controlled Supreme Court

  • steve

    this is what happens when you have communism on the horizon.

    • Vigilant

      Agreed, but I think the specter has risen above the horizon and is now at about 10 o’clock. How long before it reaches “High Noon?”

    • FreedomFighter

      A little background: Due to the Obama economy, he was pulled from a “Christian School” and put in public school this past year, after testing him the public school wanted to bump him up 2 grade levels…his parent thinking he would be to small and be picked on decided not to. The poor kid is bored to death, I home school him on the weekend when I can – his rights, constitution, Bible Study, math tutoring, outdoor skills, knife throwing, tomahawk throwing, archery, weapons training, map reading and whatever else he thinks will be fun. He is 10 years old.
      My grandson in a conversation told me his teacher said “All people are equal and that he should not think he is better than anyone else” (even if he is). I told him this was not so…people are not equal, some are smarter, some make more money, etc. etc. I then explained to him people are born equal under the law (supposedly), meaning the law should treat everyone equally and this is probably what his teacher meant. He explained to me “No that was not what the teacher said…and gave me a quick version of Social Justice communist propaganda…I told him “if the teacher says we are all equal to you again, ask her if she really believes it and if she says “yes”, tell her “since we are equal, you can take my seat and I will teach class today” — then get up walk to the front of the class and tell her to “sit”. Then when she makes you sit down tell her “Obviously everyone is not equal” e
      Being a good kid he did what I asked, Needless to say this caused a poopstorm at the school. His parents went in for the meeting an politely told the teacher she was wrong “obviously” and asked her to stop preaching communist dogma at the school or they would ask for an investigation. Suddenly he was back in school and the entire matter swept under the rug….both he an I had a really good laugh that weekend.Laus DeoSemper FI

      • chocopot

        Good one. Keep up the good work – you are helping to create a loyal American citizen, of which there seem to be way too few these days.

        • FreedomFighter

          Teach one, they will teach ten, those ten will teach 100, those 100 will teach 1000…

          Laus Deo
          Semper FI

          • chocopot

            Yes, my friend, you are correct. Unfortunately, however, that works both ways, and that is why the Left worked so hard for the last 50 years to completely take over the education establishment (at which they have succeeded remarkably). Now, nearly all of our teachers have been trained and indoctrinated in communist-controlled (and I do not say that lightly) teaching colleges so that when they get out and go to work, they are not teaching but rather are indoctrinating all of their students in far left ideology. The results are there for all of us to see.

          • FreedomFighter

            Good for us though is that “Truth” wins usually, If they know the truth.

            Laus Deo
            Semper FI

          • LLobaAzul

            I agree chocopot – but one minor correction: The left got their foot in the eucation door 150 years ago. Check this out: http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/6a.htm – Start with these sections:
            The Parens Patriae Powers
            The Plan Advances
            Children’s Court
            Mr.Young’s Head Was Pounded To Jelly

          • Jeff

            So, all you have to do is get some of those Republican business students to become teachers. Oh, that’s right. You don’t want to pay teachers anything, so the conservatives tend to not become teachers.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Really Jeff? Here are some articles that shows a bad light on the libturds.
            http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/05/21/Dem-Senator-Blames-Tornado-on-Republicans
            How can you blame a storm on republicans? Neeeeeds to be making that popping sound. Here is an article where a libturd compares the detainees in Guantanamo to the slaves before 1865.
            http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/05/26/MSNBC-host-compares-Gitmo-slaves
            How can you compare imprisoned terrorists with former slaves? This person also neeeeeds to be making that popping sound. Here is one where Debbie “What’s with the hair” Schultz says the GOP is just making up all these scandals to discredit Obama bin Laden.
            http://www.townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/05/24/dnc-republicans-doctored-emails-and-these-scandals-or-something-n1606015
            There are just so many more that would show just how messed up the godless party really is. But alas! I shall continue to teach my students about our real history, not the communist mumbo jumbo of the left wing wackos. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
            “What innumerable acts of injustice may be committed – and how fatally the principles of liberty be sapped – by a succession of judges utterly independent of the people.”
            Rev. John Dickinson
            Founding father
            Devout Christian

          • vieteravet

            Really? I retired from the military 18 years ago and have taught civics for the past 17 years. I am a conservative. I have a BSOE, but decided to get a MAEd instead of a MBA. I saw the need for principled teachers, got certified, and started teaching at a charter school. If we follow the Constitution, the fed should/would be out of the education business. The federal gov’t is the problem, not the solution!

          • chocopot

            You are an idiot who does not deserve a civil response.

          • tccsmith

            Yep, and that is what our skool, (Misspelled on purpose) system has done to our youth for the last 50+ years. Pull your kids out of skool and School them yourself. It can be done, and it will surprise you how well they will do in life as a result.

      • Jeff

        I’m sure your grandson is all you say, but I wouldn’t rely on a 10 year old as an accurate reporter of what his teacher actually said. Kids sometimes miss nuance and don’t quite get similes and metaphors. Like, saying someone is as strong as an ox is not the same as calling him an ox. Similarly, saying everyone has equal rights or everyone is equal under the law is not the same as saying everyone is equal. Ever play telephone? With kids, it can be like that.

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          Why would his grandson lie? Can you prove that he lied? Tis true that kids are not accurate at times, but they can be in certain situations. I’m a father of 4, so I know. Here is the truth about what the libs have done to the minority communities.
          http://www.politichicks.tv/column/blach-tea-party-man-says-black-liberals-you-disgust-meyou-all-set-us-back-100-years-by-voting-for-this-a/
          FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
          “Governments could not give the rights essential to happiness. We claim them from a higher source: from the Kings of kings, and Lord of all the earth.”
          Rev. John Dickinson
          Founding father
          Devout Christian

    • AMERICAN PATRIOT

      And I will fight anybody that tries to push their commie ideal on me, my family or my friends, we WILL stand together and eliminate the problem, once and for all!
      DO NOT TREAD ON ME!
      The Gadsden flag hangs proudly here, and I WILL defend MY family’s RIGHTS, no matter WHAT it requires of me!

  • altonrobinson

    Good God what do you expect from an organization that teaches the kids to be wards of the state?

    When I went to school they actually taught the Constitution. Now they teach that it is an outdated document and needs to be done away with.

  • Vigilant

    I see this as not so much a matter of Fifth Amendment rights as an indictment of a rampant nanny state progressivism that has infected our whole “education” system.

    Over the years, teacher’s unions have been successful in adding “support services” to the already bloated rolls of school employees. Social services and mental health professionals now walk the halls of high schools where, for my money, they have no business.

    The whole business of these “professionals” has been to drive a wedge between parents and their children. It’s a classic technique of statists in history to accomplish this. In my opinion the state of Illinois has no business asking those questions of its students.

    • Chester

      Actually, support services that teachers would add would have nothing to do with family services and more to do with the simple day to day book keeping they are REQUIRED to do. Not just taking roll, but checking to see that each student is current with their lunch account, and that all the paperwork required for attendance is filled out and filed appropriately. Take a teacher’s place for a week, then tell all of us how badly overpaid and underworked they are.

      • Vigilant

        Chester, I do not need to fill any teachers’ shoes to know they are overpaid. My property tax bill gets higher every year, the local school has laid off 150 people in the last three years, and why is that? Especially since those 150 positions haven’t affected the quality of education one bit. That tells me the budget was bloated to begin with.

        Simply because the unions negotiate separately from the school budget, although that “untouchable” part of the budget consumes about 75% of the total. The elephant in the room is never discussed during budget formulations here, as the union has taken steps to protect every cushy pay and benefits sacred cow.

        If teachers were indeed teaching, there might be some legitimacy to what you say. They are overpaid to program children to hate Capitalism and to believe that environmentalism and bogus global warming canards are top priority. They are taught to hate guns and to support socialism, self-esteem BS and multiculturalist pap.

        Meanwhile, the subjects the students should be taught are thrown aside. History and civics come to mind, and I shudder to think of the impacts that our lack of science, technology, engineering and math graduates have for our nation security.

        No sir, I respect teachers who know what a true education is, but the MAJORITY are “it takes a village” idiots who are more interested in social engineering than they are in preparing young minds for the world.

        • Chester

          In other words, you have never taught a day in your life and have no idea what a teacher’s workload actually is. You might also like to know that the requirements for getting a teacher’s license is nearly as many hours of college as that required for an MD. Very few school districts will accept a full time teacher who has less than a masters, and all require more hours of ongoing education at least every other year, during what is vacation time for students. You NEED to sit in that classroom, knowing that YOU are responsible for twenty to forty or more students. Not only their education, but their safety while in YOUR care, and YOU are REQUiRED to inform both school administration and local officials if you see or hear anything that might be a threat, or if you see or hear anything suggesting child abuse at home. It isn’t just sitting there spouting off a set formula that you have down pat from having used it for the last twenty years. Each day is different, as each class and each year.

          • Tequila Party USA

            There are a lot of teachers who don’t care they are responsible for the shaping of the minds of young children. That’s because teaching is a dying profession, as teachers are fast becoming leaches on the government. They no longer teach reading ,writing, and arithmetic. They change history to say want they want.the children to believe for reasons of why things were done in the past. They try to push their ideals and political views on the students from kindergarden thru graduate school…We’d be better off home schooling, at least we would know our children weren’t being brainwashed!

          • Chester

            Like it or not, the teachers don’t get to choose what they teach, other than, possibly, what subject. The curriculum is set by the school boards, local, county, and state. That is why Texas is the ONLY state in the union back to teaching creationism as a mandatory subject. Kansas tried and got busted by their own people. If you don’t like what a teacher is teaching, perhaps you should go talk to the local school board, who is responsible for setting the curriculum AND buying the books the teacher gets to use to teach it from. You might also take a look at the students that teacher has to work with, then wonder how he or she gets anything done at all.

          • Vigilant

            Texas is also the state from which came the expunging from hiistory books of Thomas Jefferson on the list of revolutionary thinkers. Why? Becaause he was a Deist.

            And it was the conservative faction of the committee that did it. http://www.aolnews.com/2010/03/12/texas-removes-thomas-jefferson-from-teaching-standard/

          • Vigilant

            You are absolutely correct.

          • Vigilant

            “In other words, you have never taught a day in your life and have no idea what a teacher’s workload actually is.”

            I don’t give a damn what a teacher’s workload is. If that workload in any way, shape or fashion actually advanced the education of our children, it might be a different story, but it’s not. It has been education “professionals” who have laid on all sorts of nanny state requirements that affect this workload, promulgated by ivory tower socialists and bureaucrats whose lairs are in Washington, D.C. and at state capitals.

            Tell me how my generation (I graduated from HS in 1964) has outshown virtually every succeeding generation in the hard subjects I mentioned and went on to build a space program for which we now need to import professionals. SAT scores have dropped since then and graduation requirements have been dumbed down so that universities must waste the first year teaching freshmen basically everything. This nation does worse each year when compared with other nations.

            “You might also like to know that the requirements for getting a teacher’s license is [sic] nearly as many hours of college as that required for an MD.”

            Absolute poppycock! In most states the requirements for a degree in business administration are greater than those to get a teaching certificate. And what is a teaching certificate? A piece of paper telling the world that you’ve learned how to babysit children. Only very few colleges, such as Hillsdale, require expertise in a chosen academic field BEFORE that teaching certificate can be issued.

            “Very few school districts will accept a full time teacher who has less than a masters, and all require more hours of ongoing education at least every other year, during what is vacation time for students.”

            Today’s masters degree is equivalent to a high school diploma in my day. And what “continuing education” are you talking about? Social work, race relations, psychobabble, self esteem? If these masters degrees and ongoing education mean anything at all, how come teachers so adamantly oppose periodic qualification testing if they are made so proficient by these exercises?

          • Chester

            Would you like to be tested four to eight times a year on your ability to produce three quarter inch nuts to screw onto three quarter inch bolts when the material you were given to work with was consistently inconsistent in size and quality? You would get some stock that would work up perfectly until you started cutting threads, then it would burr and split, destroying the tooling you used to shape it. Other parts would be rough to shape, but once shaped would take and hold threads perfectly. Some of the material would be unfit for use, yet you would be tested just as strongly on how many good nuts you got from it as what you got from the perfect material, and lord help you if a nut failed after it left your shop. This is pretty much the situation teachers face in this “quality control” testing you advocate so strongly.

          • Vigilant

            Let’s see, I’ve mentioned eroded academic requirements to become a teacher, the continuing failure of schools to graduate more than the barely functionally literate, the downhill academic slide of American public so-called “education” in the last 50 years, anti-capitalist, socialistic and America-hating agenda of the majority of teachers, the strangle hold of unions on the budget process and the 10th Amendment violation of the federal government in education.

            And what does Chester offer? “Oh, you don’t know how hard it is for teachers every day,” misrepresentation of the truth about teaching certificates and the legitimacy of masters degrees, and a shop class analogy purporting to make us feel sorry for teachers because the material (student body) is of such poor quality.

            In short, Chester has addressed EVERYTHING but what characterizes the failure of public education. He can only say, “don’t you feel sorry for us?”

            The answer is no, I don’t feel sorry for someone who has chosen their vocation and then bitches about it. You don’t like it, get a job somewhere else.

          • Chester

            If, as you say, the teachers are doing such a p poor job of teaching, AND are being so seriously overpaid for doing it, why don’t you volunteer some of your oh so precious time and see what you can do in a classroom. Only after you have a month or so of time in a fifth grade classroom will you be qualified to comment on a teacher’s job. You expect them to take anything that comes in, from, Lord forgive me, a full retard, to a kid who is ready for the next grade up the ladder, and give them all the same set of essential skills in the same amount of time.

          • vieteravet

            Eroded academic requirements? Are you nuts, we put up with bu!!$h!t educational requirements than ever before. Your pissed off about teachers, but you haven’t a clue about what it takes to become one, or to maintain a certification. What do you do for a living?

          • Vigilant

            “Eroded academic requirements?”

            You bet!. Or, don’t you have a reading comprehension ability? A WEALTH of information out there indicates that we as a nation graduate less educated kids each year.

            So few math, science, and engineering students that business must go overseas to attract talent. We fail against most industrialized nations now in student knowlege, and it’s getting worse.

            HS grads can’t even attend first year of college without a year of remedial training in the basics. Etc., etc., etc.

            I say, in what parallel universe do you live?

          • Vigilant

            As for what I do for a living, I am retired from 38 years of service to my country, 24 in the Air Force and 14 working for NATO (civilian). What’s it to you?

          • Vigilant

            BTW, if you’re a teacher, work on your grammar.

          • vieteravet

            Retired SMsgt USAF, that’s me dude! Show me my grammatical error. I’m a conservative dip$h!t, You don’t read so well. Worked for NATO, so you double dipped, sucking on the gov’t teat. So, you know nothing about education, only your own suppositions. Did you waste your GI Bill?

          • Vigilant

            Retired CMSgt, USAF, dude, as anyone knows who has seen me post here over the last three years. From your attitude I suspect you were more of an E-8 than a SMSgt. Doesn’t surprise me that you couldn’t make the cut to be in the top 1% of the enlisted corps.

            “Your [sic] pissed off about teachers…” There’s your grammatical error, dude.

            BTW, if you’re a teacher, you’re double dipping too.

          • vieteravet

            Well, just like most Chief, you’re (I fixed it) right and everybody’s wrong. You don’t know a friggin’ thing about education, just spouting off! Yep, didn’t make your 1% because I didn’t se to get broken every time some colonel turned a corner (get my drift)!

          • Vigilant

            LOL! Now THAT’S sour grapes if I ever heard it.

            Chiefs attain that rank because they usually are right. BTW, there are fewer CMSgts than there are bird colonels, did you know that? You don’t get there for kissing a$$, you get there by proven leadership.

            Next time I pull into the parking space reserved for Chiefs, I’ll think about you. (:-)

            BTW, did you even get close to Vietnam when you were in?

            P.S. What does ” I didn’t se to get broken” mean? Still need to work on spelling/grammar, “teach.”

          • vieteravet

            Last mistake was mine, but this was my computer (believe or not, I don’t give a crap). I worked for some great Chiefs and some brown-nosers. Nope, didn’t go to Nam as my screen name suggests. After avionics tech went straight to a FIS. If it makes you feel good to consider yourself a proven leader, you go for it! Have a nice life! (3 times my computer stopped script in mid word – I wrote slower and checked)

          • vieteravet

            Nope not federal, I get paid by the state for a privately owned charter school.

          • Vigilant

            As I said, double dipping, unless you think state taxpayer dollars are different than federal taxpayer dollars (they’re the same people, idiot).

          • vieteravet

            Hey numbnuts, you and I probably agree on most things politically speaking, so the subject will never settle well between us. Yes, there is a difference between working for the fed and a privately held charter school. You know the adage about opinions! I think you must live in the Northeast, in most of the Midwest and parts of the Southwest the teacher’s union has very limited power, so the education system is controlled more by the state, not the union. Think what you will, we are all still free enough to think and have opinions!

          • Vigilant

            My apologies. You mentioned “eroded academic requirements” to become a teacher. I stand by that assertion as well. I can’t even get a note from a teacher without spelling and grammatical errors these days.

            You’re confusing “academic requirements” with “teaching requirements.” I have no doubt that, with government more and more involved in the profession of teaching, the “requirements” are along the lines of filling out paperwork, knowledge of babysitting and other social worker-type pursuits.

            What invasive government at all levels lays on teachers to qualify them has little if anything to do with academics and a whole hell of a lot to do with social engineering. If you don’t think so, read a little of your progressive education god, John Dewey.

          • vieteravet

            Read your reply to Chester, you stated teacher requirements, not student requirements.

          • Vigilant

            And I corrected that error 10 hours before you posted (see below).

          • AMERICAN PATRIOT

            Just because you HAVE a degree, does NOT mean you KNOW what you are teaching!

            Back in ’93, I returned to college and took an avionics course, but little did I know, that the course was new, and wasn’t even actually up and running!

            I signed up, drove to AZ. and sat in the classes, until I realized that the technical portion was sorely lacking, and once I helped acquire the necessary test equipment, getting it aligned and a usable syllabus created, I ended up teaching a semester of radio communications theory and design, to a teacher (professor) that was not educated IN the electronics field!

            I had my fellow students study transistor theory, diode theory, as well as transconductance of both, their actions within a circuit, and how utilize them in a D.C switch as a low level assignment.

            Next came RF cavities, and how they are used, and how to tune them so a transmitter and receiver can use a single antenna, yet work independently of each other, creating no intermodulation products, P.I.M or adjacent channel interference. This is a small cross section of the topics I taught as a ‘non-teacher’.
            Just because a degree is in hand, does not imply usable intelligence to make USE of said degree!
            Also, others obtain a degree, but never had any experience in the field they chose to pursue.
            Hands-on is the BEST way to get the much required experience in your chosen field, and not simply trust a degree to get you this, you started with NOTHING, so what makes a degree in NOTHING so valuable to you?
            Degrees are FINE, once you gain the WORKING knowledge to USE that degree, otherwise, it IS just a piece of paper!
            Case in point: Would YOU trust a doctor that had NO operating room experience, but expected you to trust him when he is going to perform surgery?
            I DOUBT IT very much….Another case of EXPERIENCE is REQUIRED PRIOR to DOING your job, which makes you a BETTER educator/doctor/technician, Etc…….
            I’ll take a long work history in a given field, long before a degree from a person with NO experience in his or her field!

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Sounds like somethings I used to do in the army. I got my teaching job with only a bachelor’s degree, due to me being a veteran (Troops to Teachers Program), but eventually eraned my Master’s degree. So it isn’t impossible. Here is a videos by Michael Bolton and he sounds about the same as you.
            http://www.conservativevideos.com/2013/05/michael-bolton-i-would-walk-across-the-country-to-get-hillary-in-office/
            BTW, have you ever taught any classes in a public school? You are right about the attendence, lecturing, grading homework, tests, quizzes, etc., but I’ve never had to had the local law enforcement called to our school. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
            “Let us take care of our rights and we therein take care of our prosperity.”
            Rev. John Dickinson
            Founding father
            Devout Christian

        • vieteravet

          I make less than my local trash collect! I made more 20 years ago in the AF than I do now! Quit the blanket statements, not all teachers are union teat suckers. There are those of us who did it for the right reasons!

          • Vigilant

            You apparently haven’t read my initial postings. I quote, “No sir, I respect teachers who know what a true education is, but the MAJORITY are “it takes a village” idiots who are more interested in social engineering than they are in preparing young minds for the world.”

            You may call that a “blanket statement;” I don’t.

            I stand by my assertion. If you are of the former class, then I respect and honor you.

  • chocopot

    When my younger son was in 7th grade, a year ago, his social studies teacher showed the class a You Tube video on Christopher Columbus, which stated very clearly that Columbus was a genocidal maniac responsible for the deaths of 100 million natives of the Americas (watch it yourself: it’s called “1492”). When I complained to the principal, the principal, the vice principal, and the teacher went into immediate damage control mode, clearly never expecting a parent to challenge them on this. They called me at work, on a conference call with the vice principal and the teacher, givng me quite a song-and-dance routine, trying very hard to convince me that the video is not what it obviously is, which is anti-white hate propaganda intended to make the kids hate Western Civilization. Since I was at work during the call, I was in no position to have a lengthy conversation and to tell them what I really thought about it – and them. So I ended the conversation and wrote to the head of the town’s K-8 school system; he was not as blatant about it, but he also just wanted to get me to go away. I fianlly gave up. Be advised, however, that I regularly sit down with my kids and their school books so they are very aware of all the lies their leftist teachers routinely use to indoctrinate them. Unfortunately, I am one of few parents who do this. Is it any wonder our country is in the condition it is and the kids graduate from school knowing nothing of value and even less of facts?

    • tccsmith

      I personally am a Missionary on the reservation near our town, and have been so for 15 years. As a child I grew up within walking distance of the Pima Indian Res. in Arizona. We played cowboys and Indians with the native kids there, (They always made me be an Indian, because everyone knew that the Indians always lost. It was however, always great fun).

      I now have two Native kids in our house as unofficial foster kids. We personally had nothing to do with subjecting the Natives to any kind of genocide, however we now live here too. We teach our foster kids to respect each other, no matter their ethnicity.

      That said, we also teach our kids about their heritage, what ever that may be. We have had kids of African decent, Asian decent, Eastern European decent, Central American decent, and not a single one of them came with a hyphenation on their birth documents.

      I happen to be of German, Irish, Dutch, Cherokee, and a smattering of other blood lines. Does this matter, not on your life.

      Phooey on Political correctness, we live together in great harmony in our household, how about those of you?

      • Jeff

        That’s wonderful, but what does it have to do with differing perspectives on Columbus? It doesn’t hurt to humanize the “great men” of the past, all of whom had feet of clay. That we may have personally benefitted from Columbus’ actions should not blind us to his failings. I recognize that most of the Native Americans who died in Columbus’ wake succumbed to disease and not the sword, but it remains true that Columbus would hardly qualify as a humanitarian under any standard. For another perspective, read Howard Zinn’s take on Columbus.

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          I guess this means we can teach our student the truth about Hitlery Clinton, hmmm?
          http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/05/sc-rep-blasts-hillary-on-benghazi-you-cant-lie-to-congress-whether-you-are-sworn-in-or-not/
          Maybe we can tell them the truth about the prentender in the White House, Obama bin Laden? Here is one describing how he has set us up for more Benghazis happening.
          http://www.weaselzippers.us/2013/05/25/obamas-bloody-recipe-for-more-benghazis/
          Here is one showing how Obama bin Laden has no real policy against terrorism.
          http://www.mediaite.com/tv/newt-gingrich-blasts-obamas-terror-policy-stunningly-breathtakingly-naive/
          There are a lot more, but should we tell them the truth about our present day “leaders” or not? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.
          “Freedom prospers when religon is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged.”
          Ronald Reagan
          40th U. S. President

        • chocopot

          I am a student of history and was an anthropology major. As I wrote to my son’s principal, Columbus was surely no saint, and some terrible things were done by his order or in his name, but those incidents were few and far between and in no way could what was done be construed as genocide. Yes, the Spaniards who followed Columbus did some terrible and unforgiveable things, but again, it could not be called genocide; what’s more, it was done on a localized and individual basis, rather than being some sort of master plan (a la Hitler). Yes, it is true that the Europeans brought some awful diseases over to the Americas which decimated native populations (the Caribs and the Arawaks come to mind), but very little is ever mentioned of the diseases (likely including syphilis) the Europeans picked up in the Americas and brought back to Europe, killing millions.

          • Vigilant

            As a student of history, you also know that the liberal squint on things is such that they love to overlay today’s values on civilizations of long ago.

            Of course, the America-haters think that this argument actually has validity.

        • Vigilant

          Good God, Howard Zinn?

          Now I KNOW you’re a communist.

  • Dadwasright

    What a shame good people are punished for doing there job well ! Yet the president ,vice president ,head of the D O J ,GOV & mayor of New York, Illinois ARE NOT ?

    • tccsmith

      Of course not, they are public servants, and above the law.

  • tccsmith

    To those who say that the parents were informed in advance; The information was disseminated by e-Mail, I personally check my e-Mail on a weekly basis. Also, some of my e-Mails end up in the spam folder, which I check only monthly. If they really had the students “RIGHTS” in mind, they would have made sure that the parents were informed.
    Just say’n!!!!!!!

  • Chester

    Instead of debating with me about what is wrong with the school systems and ignoring the elephant in the room, just admit that the biggest problem with public, and private, schools is the lack of parental involvement. How many of you have gone to your parent teacher conferences, then actually talked about what your child was or wasn’t learning in school. I hear a lot of people complaining that “this” is being taught while “that” isn’t, yet very few of them even know the name of their child’s teacher, let alone whether it is a male or female, married or single, or even a qualified teacher and not a substitute. When you get involved with the school, you will find that things aren’t all doom and gloom, but neither are they all beds of roses. The big thing is to get involved and not just set at home and complain because little Johnny didn’t learn his ABC’s as fast as the neighbor boy did. or that he was told that X plus Y equals Z when you were taught a totally different way of adding and subtracting.

    • Jeff

      OMG, you’re speaking sensibly on a blog reserved for cranky old guys who already know everything. Don’t you know that on these blogs, teachers are all evil socialists dedicated to making sure your kids don’t learn anything but how to put condoms on bananas?