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Social Engineering Bill In Senate Will Force You Into City

September 10, 2010 by  

Social Engineering Bill In Senate Will Force You Into City

A social engineering bill to restrict residence in the suburbs and rural areas and force Americans into city centers has passed the United States Senate Banking Committee and is on the fast track to passage in the Senate.

The bill is called the Livable Communities Act (SB 1619) and it was introduced by corruptocrat outgoing Senator Christopher Dodd (D-Conn.). It seeks to fulfill the United Nation’s plan Agenda 21, adopted at the Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro in 1992 and signed onto by “New World Order” President George H.W. Bush.

This bill is designed to destroy your community. According to the non-profit American Policy Center the bill:

  • Is a blueprint for the transformation of our society into total Federal control.
  • Will enforce Federal Sustainable Development zoning and control of local communities.
  • Will create a massive new “development” bureaucracy.
  • Will drive up the cost of energy to heat and cool your home.
  • Will drive up the cost of gasoline as a way to get you out of your car.
  • Will force you to spend thousands of dollars on your home in order to comply.

A carrot and stick policy will be used to get your local government to sign on. The carrot is billions of dollars in grants available if your local government agrees to amend zoning laws that restrict housing in outlying areas, forcing people to give up their homes and land and move into the city center.

The stick will be denial of the funds and bad publicity generated by “Green” organizations criticizing government officials for turning down free money.

The rub is the grants will come with strings attached that force local governments to bend to the will of the Feds.

The idea of these social engineering initiatives is to force people to live in a congested area in high rise buildings with housing on the upper floors and stores on the bottom. The whole area will be linked by mass transit creating the “utopian” communities loved by socialists.

The result will be higher costs for housing (because overcrowding will make housing space a premium) and goods and services (because of less choice and competition) and less freedom to move about (because cars won’t be necessary and parking space will be prohibitively expensive).

As we pointed out here President Barack Obama is — not surprisingly — an advocate of this type of nonsense. And his cabinet is populated by elitists who think they know better than you how you should live.

It is imperative that you call your two Senators immediately and tell them to oppose Dodd’s SB1619.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • dan az

    Thats the reason that I moved out into the country,It was to protect all of the people from me not the other way around. To think that you can put the wolves in with the sheep is absurd. The last thing that you would want is to have any of us teaching the sheep how to survive a out right gov.take over.The only reason that they want us in the cities is so they can try to control the masses by closing off the roads and water and electricity and gas and food.If we were behind them they know they wouldnt stand a chance.So if they want my land I say come and get it thats what all of us have been waiting for since nam to finish what we started and show you how its done with no rules of engagement.

    • KC

      Amen on that…I say the same thing…NO RULES OF ENGAGEMENT. That what we did to the British Red Coats and now it seems we are going to have to do it with our own Government

      • Bruce D.

        If anyone wants to have some real fun watch NJ Governor Cris Cristie destoy this liberal on Youtube. Good Stuff!!!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkuTm-ON904

        • Angel Wannabe

          Bruce D__I said this on another forum, CHRISTIE FOR PRESIDENT!__
          HE FREAKIN ROCKS!

          • RoBoTech

            YOU may want him for President.
            As a TRUE right winger, I am scared of the guy.
            He is an Amnesty hound.
            He has endorsed Mike Castle, THE most Liberal RINO in Congress. Castle has voted with the Democrats 69% of the his 20 + years in Congress, pro Obamacare, Pro Cap And Tax, Pro Stim. That’s the guy Christie has endorsed.
            He has denigrated Americans for not wanting the Ground Zero mosque built.
            He is even further left than both Progressive GOP idiots, the Bush’s.
            He has done some things you would not expect from a Progressive, but to be a CDonservative Prez?
            UH UH!

          • Angel Wannabe

            Robotech, Whatever!__It matters not who any of us endorses, if you dig long and hard enough, you’ll always find something negative, in someone’s past, to bring up and smear__Now tell me I’m wrong?

          • JeffH

            Christie on amnesty: they(illegals)should go to the back of the line and — if practical — leave the country while waiting to be admitted through legal channels.

            Christie on the mosque issue: “My principles on this are two-fold. One, that we have to acknowledge, respect and give some measure of deference to the feelings of the family members who lost there loved ones there that day. But it would be wrong to so overreact to that, that we paint Islam with a brush of radical Muslim extremists that just want to kill Americans because we are Americans. But beyond that…I am not going to get into it, because I would be guilty of candidly what I think some Republicans are guilty of, and the president is now the president is guilty of, of playing politics with this issue, and I simply am not going to do it.”

            Christie on Mike Castle? You’e 100% correct.

            In Christies case, it’s more about what he does on the state level in NJ right now.

          • Angel Wannabe

            JeffH, You get an Atta boy!!! :)

          • Bruce D.

            I am always amazed at how and why people like Robo Tech twist things to make people worst than what they are. Then ignore any good they are accomplishing. Yes you will always find that thing you disagree with but at very least stop making thing up.

          • Denniso

            This article looks like hyperbole and myth…

          • momof4

            YES!!!!!!!

          • Bob

            Don’t be so quick to endorse Christie. No one really knows his past record before he became a US Attorney. Surprises me out of over 100 politicians he indicted there were no Reps.

        • JeffH

          Bruce D., anything with Christie is pure unadulterated terror to the Dems, SEIU and the progressives in NJ.

          • momof4

            That’s why I love him!!!!!!

          • anothrmomof4

            Me too! Anyone who takes on SEIU and ESPECIALLY the corrupt, disgusting NEA is my hero!

        • mary ann a.

          I voted for Christie, but now there are a couple red flags: His firing of a top aide, Bret Schundler,an ardent pro-lifer, and blaming him for losing federal grant money to NJ; and his sneaking in a form of cap n trade and making people bring the matter to court to bring the matter to light; it’s all very secretive.

          • Claire

            I know MSNBC has had Christy on their morning show with Joe Scarborough a number of times. So they apparently must like him.
            Anyway, I also heard something about a screw-up over an eductiton plan–they goofed up on paperwork or something and they lost millions of dollars towards education for their state.

          • Lubo

            T Carole……Only an educated progressive idiot could possible take this much time and effort to write this dumb oppressive bill. The FED has no right or say so in local matters and this bill violates the 10 amendment….CLEARLY.

            It’s just another DUMB attempt to get some form of cap and tax passed to satisfy you left-wing radical control freaks and/or GREEN-FREAKS.

            At some point and time you would think these radicals would understand that nobody, I mean nobody, has appointed them as our caretaker or “god of the planet”.

        • Carole Howell

          If you people read the bill it has nothing to do with forcing people to do anything.

          S.1619
          Livable Communities Act of 2009 (Introduced in Senate – IS)

          SEC. 3. PURPOSES.

          The purposes of this Act are–

          (1) to facilitate and improve the coordination of housing, community development, transportation, energy, and environmental policy in the United States;

          (2) to coordinate Federal policies and investments to promote sustainable development;

          (3) to encourage regional planning for livable communities and the adoption of sustainable development techniques, including transit-oriented development;

          (4) to provide a variety of safe, reliable transportation choices, with special emphasis on public transportation and complete streets, in order to reduce traffic congestion, greenhouse gas emissions, and dependence on foreign oil;

          (5) to provide affordable, energy-efficient, and location-efficient housing choices for people of all ages, incomes, races, and ethnicities, and to make the combined costs of housing and transportation more affordable to families;

          (6) to support, revitalize, and encourage growth in existing communities, in order to maximize the cost effectiveness of existing infrastructure and preserve undeveloped lands;

          (7) to promote economic development and competitiveness by connecting the housing and employment locations of workers, reducing traffic congestion, and providing families with access to essential services;

          (8) to preserve the environment and natural resources, including agricultural and rural land and green spaces; and

          (9) to support public health and improve quality of life for the residents of and workers in communities by promoting healthy, walkable neighborhoods, access to green space, and the mobility to pursue greater opportunities.

          SEC. 4. DEFINITIONS.

          In this Act, the following definitions shall apply:

          (1) AFFORDABLE HOUSING- The term `affordable housing’ means housing, the cost of which does not exceed 30 percent of the income of a family.

          (2) CENSUS TRACT- The term `census tract’ means a small, relatively permanent statistical subdivision of a county, delineated by a local committee of census data users for the purpose of presenting data.

          (3) CHAIRPERSON- The term `Chairperson’ means the Chairperson of the Interagency Council on Sustainable Communities.

          (4) COMPLETE STREET- The term `complete street’ means a street that enables all travelers, particularly public transit users, bicyclists, pedestrians (including individuals of all ages and individuals with disabilities), and motorists, to use the street safely and efficiently.

          (5) COMPREHENSIVE REGIONAL PLAN- The term `comprehensive regional plan’ means a plan that–

          (A) identifies land use, transportation, community development, housing, economic development, environmental, energy, and infrastructure needs and goals in a region;

          (B) provides strategies for meeting the needs and goals described in subparagraph (A), including strategies for–

          (i) providing affordable, energy-efficient, and location-efficient housing choices for people of all ages, incomes, races, and ethnicities;

          (ii) reducing growth in vehicle miles traveled, in order to reduce traffic congestion and regional greenhouse gas emissions from transportation;

          (iii) encouraging economic competitiveness and economic development; and

          (iv) increasing the connectivity of the region by increasing public transportation ridership and improving access to transportation alternatives; and

          (C) prioritizes projects for funding and implementation.

          (6) CONSORTIUM OF UNITS OF GENERAL LOCAL GOVERNMENTS- The term `consortium of units of general local governments’ means a consortium of geographically contiguous units of general local government that the Secretary determines–

          (A) represents all or part of a metropolitan statistical area or a micropolitan statistical area;

          (B) has the authority under State or local law to carry out planning activities, including surveys, land use studies, environmental or public health analyses, and development of urban revitalization plans; and

          (C) has provided documentation to the Secretary sufficient to demonstrate that the purpose of the consortium is to carry out a project using a grant awarded under this Act.

          (7) COUNCIL- The term `Council’ means the Interagency Council on Sustainable Communities established under section 6.

          (8) DEPARTMENT- The term `Department’ means the Department of Housing and Urban Development.

          (9) DIRECTOR- The term `Director’ means the Director of the Office of Sustainable Housing and Communities established under section 5.

          (10) EXTREMELY LOW-INCOME FAMILY- The term `extremely low-income family’–

          (A) means a family that has an income that does not exceed–

          (i) 30 percent of the median income in the area where the family lives, as determined by the Secretary, with appropriate adjustments for the size of the family; or

          (ii) a percentage of the median income in the area where the family lives, as determined by the Secretary upon a finding by the Secretary that such percentage is necessary due to unusually high or low family incomes in the area where the family lives; and

          (B) includes a family that includes a person with special needs, including an elderly person or a person with disabilities, as those terms are defined in section 3(b) of the United States Housing Act of 1937 (42 U.S.C. 1437a(b)).

          (11) HIGH-POVERTY AREA- The term `high-poverty area’ means a census tract, or a group of contiguous census tracts, that has a poverty rate of 20 percent or more.

          (12) LIVABLE COMMUNITY- The term `livable community’ means a metropolitan, urban, suburban, rural, or neighborhood community that–

          (A) provides safe and reliable transportation choices;

          (B) provides affordable, energy-efficient, and location-efficient housing choices for people of all ages, incomes, races, and ethnicities;

          (C) supports, revitalizes, and encourages the growth of existing communities and maximizes the cost effectiveness of existing infrastructure;

          (D) promotes economic development and economic competitiveness;

          (E) preserves the environment and natural resources;

          (F) protects agricultural land, rural land, and green spaces; and

          (G) supports public health and improves the quality of life for residents of and workers in the community.

          (13) LOCATION-EFFICIENT- The term `location-efficient’ characterizes development, housing, or neighborhoods that integrate land use, mixed-use housing and commercial development, employment, and transportation–

          (A) to enhance mobility;

          (B) to encourage transit-oriented development;

          (C) to encourage infill development and the use of existing infrastructure; and

          (D) to reduce growth in vehicle miles traveled and the transportation costs and energy requirements associated with ownership or rental of a home.

          (14) LOW-INCOME FAMILY- The term `low-income family’–

          (A) has the same meaning as in section 3(b) of the United States Housing Act of 1937 (42 U.S.C. 1437a(b)); and

          (B) includes a low-income family with a person with special needs, including an elderly person or a person with disabilities, as those terms are defined section 3(b) of the United States Housing Act of 1937 (42 U.S.C. 1437a(b)).

          (15) METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION- The term `metropolitan planning organization’ has the meaning given that term in section 134(b) of title 23, United States Code, and section 5303(b) of title 49, United States Code.

          (16) METROPOLITAN STATISTICAL AREA- The term `metropolitan statistical area’ means a county or group of counties that–

          (A) is designated by the Office of Management and Budget as a metropolitan statistical area; and

          (B) has 1 or more large population centers with a population of not less than 50,000 and adjacent territory with a high level of integration with the core.

          (17) MICROPOLITAN STATISTICAL AREA- The term `micropolitan statistical area’ means a county or group of counties that–

          (A) is designated by the Office of Management and Budget as a micropolitan statistical area; and

          (B) has 1 or more large urban clusters with a population of not less than 10,000 and not more than 50,000.

          (18) OFFICE- The term `Office’ means the Office of Sustainable Housing and Communities established under section 5.

          (19) REGIONAL COUNCIL- The term `regional council’ means a multi-service regional organization with State and locally defined boundaries that is–

          (A) accountable to units of general local government;

          (B) delivers a variety of Federal, State, and local programs; and

          (C) performs planning functions and provides professional and technical assistance.

          (20) RURAL PLANNING ORGANIZATION- The term `rural planning organization’ means a voluntary organization of local elected officials and representatives of local transportation systems that–

          (A) works in cooperation with the department of transportation (or equivalent entity) of a State to plan transportation networks and advise officials of the State on transportation planning; and

          (B) is located in a rural area–

          (i) with a population of not less than 5,000; and

          (ii) that is not located in an area represented by a metropolitan planning organization.

          (21) SECRETARY- The term `Secretary’ means the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development.

          (22) STATE- The term `State’ means the several States, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, the Virgin Islands, American Samoa, and the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands.

          (23) SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT- The term `sustainable development’ means a pattern of resource use designed to create livable communities by–

          (A) providing a variety of safe and reliable transportation choices;

          (B) providing affordable, energy-efficient, and location-efficient housing choices for people of all income levels, ages, races, and ethnicities;

          (C) supporting, revitalizing, and encouraging the growth of communities and maximizing the cost effectiveness of existing infrastructure;

          (D) promoting economic development and economic competitiveness;

          (E) preserving the environment and natural resources;

          (F) protecting agricultural land, rural land, and green spaces; and

          (G) supporting public health and improving the quality of life for residents of and workers in a community.

          (24) TRANSIT-ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT- The term `transit-oriented development’ means high-density, walkable, mixed-use development (including commercial development, affordable housing, and market-rate housing) that is within walking distance of and accessible to 1 or more public transportation facilities.

          (25) UNIT OF GENERAL LOCAL GOVERNMENT- The term `unit of general local government’ means–

          (A) a city, county, town, township, parish, village, or other general purpose political subdivision of a State; or

          (B) a combination of general purpose political subdivisions, as determined by the Secretary.

          (26) UNIT OF SPECIAL PURPOSE LOCAL GOVERNMENT- The term `unit of special purpose local government’–

          (A) means a division of a unit of general purpose government that serves a special purpose and does not provide a broad array of services; and

          (B) includes an entity such as a school district, a housing agency, a transit agency, and a parks and recreation district.

          (27) VERY LOW-INCOME FAMILY- The term `very low-income family’–

          (A) has the same meaning as in section 3(b) of the United States Housing Act of 1937 (42 U.S.C. 1437a(b)); and

          (B) includes a very low-income family with a person with special needs, including an elderly person or a person with disabilities, as those terms are defined section 3(b) of the United States Housing Act of 1937 (42 U.S.C. 1437a(b)).

          (28) WORKFORCE HOUSING- The term `workforce housing’ means housing, the cost of which does not exceed 30 percent of–

          (A) 120 percent of the median income in the area where the family lives, as determined by the Secretary, with appropriate adjustments for the size of family; or

          (B) a percentage, as determined by the Secretary, of the median income in the area where the family lives, upon a finding by the Secretary that such percentage is necessary due to unusually high or low family incomes in the area where the family lives.

          SEC. 5. OFFICE OF SUSTAINABLE HOUSING AND COMMUNITIES.

          (a) Office Established- There is established in the Department an Office of Sustainable Housing and Communities, which shall–

          (1) coordinate Federal policies and initiatives that foster livable communities, including–

          (A) encouraging sustainable development at the State, regional, and local levels;

          (B) encouraging the development of comprehensive regional plans;

          (C) fostering energy-efficient communities and housing;

          (D) providing affordable, location-efficient housing choices for people of all ages, incomes, races, and ethnicities, particularly for low-, very low-, and extremely low-income families; and

          (E) working with the Federal Transit Administration of the Department of Transportation to–

          (i) encourage transit-oriented development; and

          (ii) coordinate Federal housing, community development, and transportation policies;

          (2) conduct research and advise the Secretary on the research agenda of the Department relating to sustainable development;

          (3) provide administrative support for participation by the Secretary in the activities of the Council;

          (4) implement and oversee the grant programs established under this Act by–

          (A) developing grant applications for each grant program;

          (B) promulgating regulations relating to each grant program;

          (C) selecting recipients of grants under each grant program;

          (D) creating performance measures for recipients of grants under each grant program;

          (E) developing technical assistance and other guidance to assist recipients of grants and potential applicants for grants under each grant program;

          (F) monitoring and evaluating the performance of recipients of grants under each grant program; and

          (G) carrying out such other activities relating to the administration of the grant programs under this Act as the Secretary determines are necessary;

          (5) provide guidance, information on best practices, and technical assistance to communities seeking to adopt sustainable development policies and practices;

          (6) provide guidance and technical assistance to communities seeking to prepare applications for the comprehensive planning grant program under section 7;

          (7) administer initiatives of the Department relating to the policies described in paragraph (1), as determined by the Secretary; and

          (8) coordinate with and conduct outreach to other Federal agencies, including the Federal Transit Administration of the Department of Transportation and the Office of Smart Growth of the Environmental Protection Agency, on sustainability issues.

          (b) Director- The head of the Office shall be the Director of the Office of Sustainable Housing and Communities.

          (c) Duties Relating to Grant Programs-

          (1) IN GENERAL- The Director, in coordination with the Council or a working group established by the Council under section 6(b)(6), shall carry out the grant programs established under this Act.

          (2) INTERIM WORKING GROUP- During the period between the date of enactment of this Act and the date on which a memorandum of understanding is signed under section 6(a)(7), in carrying out the grant programs under this Act, the Secretary shall consult with an interim working group that includes the Secretary of Transportation, the Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency (or the designee of such Secretary or Administrator), and representatives from such other Federal agencies, departments, or offices, as the President may determine.

          (3) TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE FOR GRANT RECIPIENTS AND APPLICANTS- The Director may–

          (A) coordinate with the members of the Council to establish interagency and multidisciplinary teams to provide technical assistance to recipients of and prospective applicants for grants under this Act;

          (B) make contracts with third parties to provide technical assistance to grant recipients and prospective applicants for grants; and

          (C) establish a technical assistance program for prospective applicants, particularly prospective applicants from smaller communities, preparing to apply for grants under section 7.

          (d) Report on Housing Location Affordability Index-

          (1) STUDY- The Director shall conduct a study on–

          (A) the development of a housing location affordability index that includes housing and transportation costs; and

          (B) ways in which the affordability index described in subparagraph (A) could be made available to the public to inform consumers of the combined costs of housing and transportation.

          (2) REPORT- Not later than 1 year after the date of enactment of this Act, the Director shall submit to the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs of the Senate and the Committee on Financial Services of the House of Representatives a report on the study under paragraph (1).

          (e) Report on Incentives for Energy-Efficient Mortgages and Location-Efficient Mortgages-

          (1) DEFINITIONS- In this subsection–

          (A) the term `energy-efficient mortgage’ means a mortgage loan under which the income of the borrower, for purposes of qualification for such loan, is considered to be increased by not less than $1 for each $1 of savings projected to be realized by the borrower as a result of cost-effective energy-saving design, construction, or improvements (including use of renewable energy sources, such as solar, geothermal, biomass, and wind, super-insulation, energy-saving windows, insulating glass and film, and radiant barrier) for the home for which the loan is made; and

          (B) the term `location-efficient mortgage’ means a mortgage loan under which–

          (i) the income of the borrower, for purposes of qualification for such loan, is considered to be increased by not less than $1 for each $1 of savings projected to be realized by the borrower because the location of the home for which the loan is made will result in decreased transportation costs for the household of the borrower; or

          (ii) the sum of the principal, interest, taxes, and insurance due under the mortgage loan is decreased by not less than $1 for each $1 of savings projected to be realized by the borrower because the location of the home for which the loan is made will result in decreased transportation costs for the household of the borrower.

          (2) STUDY-

          (A) IN GENERAL- The Director shall conduct a study on incentives for encouraging lenders to make, and homebuyers and homeowners to participate in, energy-efficient mortgages and location-efficient mortgages, including–

          (i) fee reductions;

          (ii) fee waivers;

          (iii) interest rate reductions; and

          (iv) adjustment of mortgage qualifications.

          (B) CONSIDERATIONS- In studying the incentives under subparagraph (A), the Secretary shall consider the potential for lower risk of default on energy-efficient mortgages and location-efficient mortgages in comparison to mortgages that are not energy-efficient or location-efficient.

          (3) REPORT- Not later than 1 year after the date of enactment of this Act, the Director shall submit to the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs of the Senate and the Committee on Financial Services of the House of Representatives a report on the study under paragraph (2).

          (f) Authorization of Appropriations- There are authorized to be appropriated to the Secretary such sums as may be necessary to carry out this section.

          • Warrior

            You should keeping reading it until you understand those little nuances scattered throughout. Nudge Nudge….

          • john clifton

            The U.S. government has no Constitutional right to do this type
            of thing. All this is local business. “States Rights”

          • Angel Wannabe

            Carole, thanks, but a link would have taken up a lot less space!

          • Gramps

            Carole, a link would be more than sufficient, thank you.

          • LocalYokel

            Are you not aware of the green movement malignancy through the EPA striving for even broader government control and less freedom of choice?

          • old white guy

            what a load of bs. anything that has that many words in it is an outright lie. damn, the people of the u.s. are getting dumber by the minute.

          • SteveB

            The Feds seem to have a case of Constitutional Amnesia. The states and local governments are much more in tune with their own communities. They don’t need Big Brother flexing his muscles again.
            Just more socialist power seeking!

          • coal miner

            Carole,

            Very good comment.

          • james

            Carole, thanks for tell us all those meanings! I would have never figured out when they said “house” that the meaning was HOUSE! Heres one for you, when they say aragant ass they mean ” arragant ass”! Now we both know everything!

          • Angel

            Correct me if I’m wrong – looks like the feds have the idea of locating low income (30% of 120% of median income in an area) very low income (30% of midian income in an area) and extremely low income (less than 30% of the median income) families in “workforce housing. Sounds like subsidized housing or government housing. They want to locate them in existing infastructure areas (cities?). Granting mortgages will be determined by dollars saved on distance to your job and/or how much is saved on energy in construction of a home. All this will be determined by the “Secretary.” They want it instituted a year after the Act passes. Sounds Orwellian to me. Understanding this blueprint requires high spatial focus. Do you think this is intentional??? Only joking of course, we all know the fed wants to be transparent for us so we can fully understand what they are attempting.

          • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Jill

            Oh yea that’s right this government right now wants to help Americans stay prosperous and healthy. Ugh-huh. That’s right.

          • dan az

            Thank God I live in arizona where all of the citizens carry concealed and we have a governor that fights for our rights.Do you think she would fall for this liberal BS? Not a chance so it seems if they want to sue us then go right ahead!People they are rounding up all of you for the slaughter and they can call it what ever they want to green is not supplying the electric companies with free energy that you provide with out any back up for your self when the power goes down so does yours period .With out being off the grid and storing your power in batteries you are only paying them to supply the power that you use.get a brain when there is no power in the cities there is no water or food or gas iven for your generators.the systems that you can only have to be green is set up not to let you store your energy.The day that this passes (fat chance) is the day that the revolution starts because you all are now in camps of your own making!

          • Al Sieber

            dan, good post, I’m set up like you are and don’t have to worry about electric either.

          • David

            Yea and the Healthcare ‘BILL’ is just wonderful and loving too! Give me a break and read between the lines for god’s sake …

          • Keeper

            WHAT MEAN TO SAY IS SB1619 WILL GROUP US ALL UP INTO SOME BOXES CALL YOUR SPACE OR YOUR CAVE, PUT US WHERE THEY WANT US TO BE, AND CONTROL EVERYTHING IN OUR LIVES THERE AFTER. HAND OVER OUR GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO BE FREE TO SOME POWER MONGER WITH MENTAL PROBLEMS,THAT FEELS THE NEED TO BE SUPERIOR OVER OTHERS SO THEY CAN CONTROL OUR EVERY MOVEMENT IN LIFE. YOU CAN’T SEE THROUGH THIS.. REALLY, THESE NUTS THINK WE CAN’T BE RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR SELVES. THIS IS A JOKE AMERICA DON’T FALL FOR THIS STUPIDITY…..BY THE WAY IS THIS THE MUSLIN NEW WAY OF MODERN CONTROL OVER US BECAUSE WE THERE IS NO HOLES IN THE GROUND TO PUT US IN..
            IF THIS WAS TO HAPPEN I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF THEY GAVE EVERYONE A TIME LIMIT AS TO WHEN YOU COULD COME OUT AND ALL THE DOORS LOCK AT 6:00 AND YOU HAD BETTER BE IN YOUR SPACE OR THEY WILL HUNT YOU DOWN FOR BREAKING CURFEW AND NEVER TO BE SEEM AGAIN.. THAT’S WHAT I SEE HERE..

          • Bob

            Back in the 70s they were trying to pass a bill that would allow so much square footage to each member of a household. If there was extra space they would force you to take in a homeless person. How come Obamacare had 2800 pages? What was in there that we don’t know about?

          • DS

            Wow, it’s worse than I thought! What a pant load of progressive ideology….

          • Celia

            Great. Yet another person who can’t look beyond words on a page and understand the concept of cause and effect. What is wrong with these people? Prefrontal lobotomies?

          • Meteorlady

            You cannot possibly believe that this is good – having the federal government dictate more and more to states and local taxing authorities? Where I live we pay a lot of taxes because our state took the bribe from the federal government but the program was underfunded and now picked up by the taxpayers. Since when is this type of thing a federal government responsibility?

          • OryZen

            Lady you really need to learn to reed legal documents. This document is filled with loop holes and establishes the ground work for the UN Tyrannical Agenda 21, openly talk about by the Plutocratic Global Elites at the UN UNCED meeting held in Rio de Janerio, Brazil, June 1992. But would probably have no idea what I’m talking about.

            Wake up lady the government is not out to help you, it’s out to get you!

          • JaneSmith

            The federal reserve owns all the banking now thanks to the Finance Reform Bill. The federal reserve can now tell the banks to make it very difficult to get regular loans. The federal reserve will tell the banks to push these new green loans which forces ppl into their plan. Once the bill is passed, it will just be ripe for changes. End the privately owned federal reserve and all of our current problems will disappear overnight.

          • Meteorlady

            Ory – I am totally awake and believe that this is part of the grand scheme of the One World Order and social experimentation groups. Mostly Bildenburg Group and Soros. I don’t have blinders on a I certainly don’t believe that the federal government needs to be helping anyone. They need to butt out of our lives, our schools, our health care and our insurance. We need to take back the government by voting for other parties. The Republicans and Democrats have lost their way and they are both corrupt.

          • Meteorlady

            Jane – The last president we had that was NOT figurehead was JFK. Apparently the controllers of the world thought because of Joe Kennedy’s sympathy for the Nazis cause, they would be able to control the son. They supported his campaign. But once Kennedy took office, it turned out that he was his own man. Where is this going?

            Kennedy signed an Executive Order 11110 which effectively put the Federal Reserve out of business. It prohibited the Federal Government from borrowing money from the Feds. 5 days later Kennedy was murdered in the streets of Dallas. Not yelling conspiracy, but LBJ took over and never once mentioned or enforced EO11110. Some historians believe that this EO is still in effect today.

          • Bobby

            Your a dumbass

          • James Hull

            It amazes me that so many people obviously did not read SB1619 or are functionally illiterate, and do not understand what the bill addresses.
            This bill was authored prior to 2007. It is old news and is a protective bill, not an oppressive bill.

          • Ruth B, Concerned Patriot

            It all sounds so wonderful, and that is how so many (looks like including you) are so easily lulled into believing that socialism (or Marxism) is utopia. Truth is this is WAY TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT CONTROL!! Intelligent, charitable, patriotic Americans are capable of taking care of their own communities, and working toward what is feasible and best needed, not what some idiot bureaucrat, several thousand miles away, tries to force upon them.

          • anothrmomof4

            Carol, you pose as someone who is imformed by posting the entire bill here as somehow ‘proof’ that what is claimed is not in the bill. Are you really that naieve??? How stupid do you think the people on this board are? The specifics do not have to be written into the bill. The danger of a bill like this (and many others that have passed, been introduced, etc.) is NOT what the bill contains specifically, it is the REGULATORY FRAMEWORK that such a bill enables to then be funded and start taking over our lives. If you do not understand the basic tenet that power, once established, tends over time to consolidate and increase, then you are seriously illiterate in terms of civics. If you DO understand that and are attempting to defend this development, you are a disingenuous troll who is attempting to deceive. Go pick a less informed audience (say, Oprah’s audience) to try and infect with your disinformation. On 2nd hand, stay here, you’ll do less damage as the folks on this board for the most part have things figured out.

          • mary

            no. 8 of the article describes it. I quit reading after that.

      • FreedomFighter

        Resist, whatever it takes.

        Become a Freedom Fighter, Your children and your children’s children are worth it.

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

        • Jim

          I’m stocking up on weapons and ammo just waiting for the day the muslims start to riot anywhere near me!

          • mercnary

            my equipment is ‘underground’ already.. my driveway is suffering the ill effects of it..

          • Bob

            Where do you live Jim, in Beirut?

          • Al Sieber

            Jim, ah, we have to worry about our Govt. first.

        • Noreen

          Lock and Load. Carole needs to read UN Agenda 21 which fully elaborates on this bill. This is not Dodd’s creation but the elite who are dictating how and where we should live. Watch the G20 and G8 meetings.

          States should be seceding right and left with this crap. Anyone who trusts this government is out of his rabid mind.

          LOCK AND LOAD EM PEOPLE. THEY ARE INTENT UPON ENCLOSING US INTO THIS HOUSING OR FEMA CAMPS, AND THEY DECIDE, NOT YOU. STOP KIDDING YOURSELVES.

          • Meteorlady

            I’m praying every single day that Texas will be the first state to declare it’s independence.

      • sunrise

        AMEN, we ain’t played liberals against rednecks yet, but looks like it’s coming!!!

    • bbstacker

      The communists have truly become the cockroaches in the kitchen, and they no longer run into the woodwork when the lights go on. Tick Tock, the fight is coming. Call me stupid, but these “post turtles” have no idea of the rage building among the Self-Reliant. I’m still amazed at the masses who laugh when subjects like this come up–ignorance or stupidity still rules the day. People need to start watching C-Span and quit everything else they stare at the boob tube for. C-Span is “REALITY” Television!

      • slickporsche

        You are right on buddy. Are you ready willing and able to take it to the next level.? I hope there is enough of us.

        • mercnary

          There are more survivalists out here than anyone knows of, just waiting for the ‘day after’ so the equipment can be pulled out of the mothballs and put to use..

          • old white guy

            it will take about one million well armed men, not women, to clean up the coming calamity.

          • sunrise

            ole white guy, I am sure we have them, they are everywhere, all over this great United States, thank God! Us women got your back!!!!

          • Granny Mae

            mercnary,

            Yes we are ! We are everywhere ! And old guy, don’t you dare count us women out ! We have our own end to hold up along with the guys !

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            I wonder what a .44mag, 240 gr. JHP would do to a blue helmet ?

          • dan az

            gunny
            make a bucket with a very big hole in it.

      • Robert Smith

        From bbstacker: >>>C-Span is “REALITY” Television!<<<

        Actually it is more reality than most. They turn the camera and mike, aim it at an assortment of elected officials on and away they go. We get to see them in action.

        In particular do you have something in mind that was particularly slanted or even outright false like Fox does so often? Can you give us an example or are you just making wild claims because… Actually I don't know why the extreme right works so hard spewing such extremism.

        Rob

        • http://Google ProudChicagoan

          When are you lefties going to wake up? Or is total government control what you want? Try, please try, to use the few brain cells you have and see what your dictator (obummer) is doing. Or, if that is just impossible for you, get out of the way so the “extreme right” can save you derriere!!!

          • marvin

            ProudChicagoan,there an,t no hope for that the liberals have had there hand out so long that it is a way of life,they live on hand outs and freebes and are to laze or and stuped to do for them self

          • Robert Smith

            From ProudChicagoan: >>>When are you lefties going to wake up?<<<

            And that has WHAT to do with C-Span?

            Again I'll ask (so you might enlighten me): Do you have any examples of how C-Span favors the left?

            I know it might be difficult, ProudChicagoan, but may I suggest that you focus?

            Rob

        • JeffH

          Robert Smith today, American Liberal last month, hflashman last week.
          They’re all alike!

          • Kate8

            JeffH – I heard a few days ago (Glenn Beck?) that Soros funded bloggers make six-figures just by harrassing conservative blog sites.

            Wow. One has to be completely unprincipled to do it, for any amount of money.

          • JeffH

            Kate8, I wonder if they’re hiring. Imagine what some of us could do on these conservative websites…blow the whistle even louder.

          • Meteorlady

            Kate8 – Soros is THE most evil man in this country today. Possibly in the world today. Read about him if you can stand to. His direct quote “the United States is the only country standing in the way of One World Order”. His belief was that he would get to us through our economy and currency. It is believed that when the first Wall Street house collapsed and Obama was behind in the poles, that 500 BILLION dollars disappeared from the economy in just two hours. Most believe it was George manipulating things on the side lines. He is a currency trader and runs a couple hedge funds. He has been indicted and found guilty in France of insider trading. He has been indicted in a few other countries but fails to appear. He almost brought the Bank of England down. He has ruined the economies of two smaller countries with currency trading. So, when the 500 BILLION disappeared, it started the ball rolling really really fast on the economic crash and one week later Obama was ahead in the poles. Meanwhile, Soros is raking in money by betting against the dollar.

          • Kate8

            Meteorlady – You’ve been doing some great research! You go!

            I am well familiar with Mr. Soros. A true viper.

            Light dispels darkness. This heinous agenda that has been being put togeter, bit by bit, in a secrecy protected by the MSM, is finally being exposed. It can’t stand the light of scrutiny, and that is why they are pushing so hard now to get it all in place. Even the most stubborn scoffers are beginning to get it now.

            For those who doubt the workings of Divine Providence, I say that the very fact that the plans are coming to light is the working of D.P. TPTB seem to have the upper hand now, but not for long. They are already doomed to failure.

            Keep the faith, and Godspeed.

          • Christin

            Meteorlady,
            If G soros has been convicted and charges have been brought forth on his questionable money dealings and insider trading in other countries… why does America let him in to play with our economy? He should be one of America’s Most Wanted.

        • coldarkstare

          are you on the payrole rob ?

        • Meteorlady

          I can give an example of far left reporting. The Seattle Times. It is, beyond a doubt the most biased, slanted and liberal news source I have EVER read. What happens when the “other” paper goes out of business because the liberal paper bought it out.

      • Tom Mize

        I am locked and loaded. There is one ROE that I recognize: If you come onto my property without my permission, you will become a permanent part of it.

      • Kate8

        bbstacker, I used to watch CSPAN, thinking the same thing. Except, I realized, they are always speaking to an empty chamber, for the most part. Only those who have a “speech” to give show up.

        They are putting on a show for the American people. They already know how they will vote and there is no real debate. They don’t listen to arguments, issues they bring up are rarely addressed by anyone else, and they are, essentially, wasting their time.

        When they are not speaking for the cameras, they are out fundraising, selling their votes to the highest bidder.

        We cannot trust them.

        • Meteorlady

          Which is why Obama broke his promises to televise the Health Care debate on C-SPAN. They were not able to show an empty chamber with few people actually debating. It was just too big a chance that the American people would really revolt.

      • LocalYokel

        The rule is “Keep your friends close and your enemies closer”. Information can’t hurt you if you know how to read between the lines. Feeding an uninformed public for 50 years and evolving in a small circle of cohorts has elevated media’s neurotic egocentricity to its apex. Almost total abandonment of stealth in the media can reveal information needed for future use.

        • Robert Smith

          From LocalYoklel: >>>Feeding an uninformed public for 50 years and evolving in a small circle of cohorts has elevated media’s neurotic egocentricity to its apex. <<<

          Actually there is no such thing as a "liberal media." There are a few individuals who might be considered "liberal" but in general most media is beholding to big business like Kellogg (that sells frankenfood), Kraft, and another example of Micky D's.

          Go through the McDonald's list of ingredience. There are only a few things that don't have high fructose corn serup in them. That one factor for much of the problem of overweight America. Why do they use HFCS? Because it's just what big business likes, it's CHEAP.

          Remember how Batista ran one of the most corrupt governments ever? He cultivated organized crime in America. He was also able to cutivate Republicans. Remember how much their "family values" wanted to keep a little boy from his father? They made such an effort to embarass Bill Clinton over that, and failed the moment Elian and his dad were seen together. Today he is a happy kid. Oh, and Castro… Castro was rejected by the American Government. He was forced to look elsewhere for help. When America wouldn't buy his inexpensie sugar (not quite as bad as the HFCS, doesn't make sugar good, but still not as bad) he was forced to trun elsewhere.

          It wasn't because Castro was a commy, it was because big business was driving small farmers off the land and they could make a bunch of money selling the health of Americas.

          Rob

          • Meteorlady

            Are you working for Soros?

      • Keeper

        OLD WHITE GUY, I HAVE GREAT NEWS BELIEVE THERE IS WELL OVER ONE MILLION PEOPLE AS WE POST TODAY THAT HAS HAD ENOUGH IF THIS STUPIDITY IN WASHINGTON.. LOCK AND LOADED WE ARE READY FOR THIS COUNTRY TO RID ITS SELF OF THESE EVIL PARASITES EATING AT OUR LIBERTIES..
        GOD BLESS US ALL. IN THIS FIGHT AHEAD OF US…GOD BLESS ALL THOSE INNOCENT PEOPLE THAT DIED AT THE HANDS OF OUR ENEMIES ON THIS DAY 9 YEARS AGO..GOD BLESS OUR MILITARY. GOD BLESS OUR LAND…TIME TO GET TOTAL CONTROL OF IT BACK AND STOP THIS TAKEOVER BUY THIS TERRORIST GROUP IN THE HOUSE..

        • Robert Smith

          Keeper says: >>> LOCK AND LOADED WE ARE READY FOR THIS COUNTRY TO RID ITS SELF OF THESE EVIL PARASITES EATING AT OUR LIBERTIES..<<<

          Thank you for the fine example of tolerance, Keeper. If we don't do things in a way you approve of you intend to shoot us. Yup, fine example of tolerance (not). Again, thanks for being so clear with your right wing threats.

          Rob

          • JeffH

            …phony liberal hack…

          • Meteorlady

            I think you have it backward. We are defending ourselves against federal government tyranny. Liberals aren’t worth shooting – they are not a threat as most just follow the herd and spew meaningless words. When confronted with facts, they spin some new “facts” or they call names and hurl insults. They LOVE to use racist as they believe it stops us and we will hang our heads and go away quietly. They love to help us out with freebies and more slavery enticing entitlements.

            I have to ask a couple of questions:
            What gives the government the right to take the money I earn? Am I not responsible enough to take care or people that need help in my own community and would it not cost less to do so? Am I really responsible for the welfare cheats, the drug dealers and pimps, the people that have more children than they can afford? Where does all this stop -when I’m one of the poor?

          • Robert Smith

            Question asked: >>>What gives the government the right to take the money I earn?<<>> Am I not responsible enough to take care or people that need help in my own community and would it not cost less to do so?<<>> Am I really responsible for the welfare cheats, the drug dealers and pimps, the people that have more children than they can afford? <<<>>Where does all this stop -when I’m one of the poor?<<<
            .
            It will never stop. The best we can do is reduce welfare (Welfare seems to be one of your big gripes so I'll put it in that context.) There will always be people in need for a wide assortment of reasons including health (physical and mental), bad luck, and by having been scammed themselves. Given a chance much of the above can be temporary. Folks can (most want) to learn new ways to make it even when they have health issues. When all they see is the futality of folks not hiring them for a wide assortment of reasons, and no hope of becoming qualified, they are in a perminant circumstance.
            .
            The "welfare state" that seems to be growing has a bunch of new members in it because of the recent financial collapse. BTW, can you imagine just how much worse it would be if folks had their retirement in the stock market as Bush wanted to do? In fact the differenct between "have" and "have not" is growing rapidly.
            .
            Part of the problem is that many of the menial jobs that used to be out there are gone. Assembly lines have either automated or gone over seas. America's education system failed in turning out students prepared for the new work available. Teachers have learned that through their unions they can be greedy just like corporate folks who are giving a minimum and trying to take all they can.
            .
            And finally all those women allegedly popping kids out… The numbers aren't as bad as they used to be but they are still bad. What's needed is to make sure that young women learn (age appropriately) about sex and birth control in school. (Like any sex ed program in place parents can opt their kids out.) They need to have birth control available to them without embarassment or prohibative cost. They need to understand that they are responsible and they can find work, etc. In places where women can control their own reproductive choices they do far better than when they are denied basic information, etc. That means they pay taxes and reduce the load on the rest of us.
            .
            There are solutions but politics doesn't allow them to be put in place.
            .
            Rob

    • Wanda Murline

      All I can say is that I own a 230 acre ranch…so I am locking and loading. Maybe this should start now…the lock and load part.

      • slickporsche

        I just hope you are really ready,as it is likely to get real ugly.

        • Granny Mae

          As for me and mine we are ready and if it gets really ugly well, I have been dying since I was born and I’m close to the end now anyway so what will be will be ! May God have mercy on my soul !

          • dan az

            granny
            thats my girl!

          • Ruth B, Concerned Patriot

            I am pushing 80 and will probably not see too many changes in my life but I am fighting hard for six children, 17 grandchildren and step-grandchildren, and the many great- and great-great-grandchildren, most of whom I will not know on this earth.
            The Tea Party movement, ResistNet, Grassfire Org. etc. are a force of millions to be reckoned with and, I believe, only with God’s help AND OUR PRAYERS, are the salvation of our great (yes, CHRISTIAN) nation, and its wonderful people.

      • Tom Mize

        Wanda,
        Call if you need help. We, or at least I, have your back!!

        • john clifton

          Tom, pick me up on your way over to Wanda’s. I can shoot straight.

      • Big Ugly

        Actually, it’s the “drag them out by their heels, tar & feathers, and hang them” part that should be happening now.
        Also, I’ve got an FAL, access to 40 acres, and a friend with a backhoe, that says it ain’t gonna happen.

        • dan az

          Big Ugly
          Are you talking about me?I have the same thing here do I know you if not then your welcome to join us!There is a 165000 acres here peick where ever you want to live!

      • Angel Wannabe

        Wanda, anyone comes on my property, without permission or thats not welcomed, will be staring down the barrel of a sawed off and a couple dogs!_-Thats not a threat its a promise!

        • Kate8

          All right, you all. You sound tough, but the reality is, TPTB have weapons that would drop you before you could even think to grab for yours. They do not even need to enter your home.

          I have been trying to tell people about the plan to move us all off the land and into congested cities for years, since I heard a congressman in Montana warning, at a meeting, that this was coming. I was shocked and stunned. But, as usual, no one would listen. The usual thought people have is, ‘this won’t happen in MY lifetime’. (As if it’s acceptable to let our kids deal with it.)

          Well, it IS our lifetime, and it IS happening. I see signs of it everywhere, in my (once) small mountain community and all the others, too. Businesses closing, jobs drying up, people losing their homes, immigrants (and illegals) being given OUR money to come in and disrupt our close communities and overwhelm our social services, collapsing our local governments and hospitals, taking what few jobs are still available, running down our once modest, but beautiful neighborhoods…

          It seems to me that the only weapon we have is prayer. I would rather die than move into the city.

          How perfect for them to complete their depopulation agenda. Move us into crowed, less hygenic environments. Easier to implement the spreading of disease, starvation and/or calamity.

          Come on, folks. If shooting it out is your back-up plan, the game is already over. We’d better come up with something better than that, and SOON.

          • TIME

            Kate,
            You are 100% right, I have spoken with many in government that are and have been working this game plan for years.

            The Whole Housing bubble is in direct relationship to such, so to is the Cap and Trade bill, the “Barry Soetoro in Country Military units for police actions.”

            Folks I have said this before “Pandora’s Box” was opened a long time ago, and even with all the golden treasures that you all think is in there, its all fluf.
            Its only the means to an end, aka “Population control” by way of never ending wars, control of food supplys, Control of what goes into the food supplys, “Control and POWER” in all respects, from cradle to grave, thats why the Heath Care Reform bill HAD to be passed, and why it was the one and only thing Barry had to get done.

            “All the stars are lined up, they can now taste the VICTORY they seek.”

            As well if you then look at the control of the media’s you can use, aka take away the Ineter Net from the general public and or restrict what can be posted on it or who can view it.
            And a strong push for that is coming very soon.

            That equals the control of only “state run media,” And really lets be real all the media to include but not limited to the following; MSNBC, NBC, MSN, CMM, HLN, CBS, ABC, PBS, are little more than State run outlets right now.
            90% of all webs sights have links to either the above noted or Geroge Soros, or his masters so what ever you read, or see is controled for effect and out come.

            Its no differant that Democrats and Republicans right now, they really are the same thing, Folks look at it like this,
            Socialist Light = Republicans or perhaps better said RINOS.
            Democrats = Socialist HEAVY, keep in mind that less than 3.5% of all Democrats in office even follow the Bill of Rights and or still feel that the Constitution is the law of the land.
            That means that 96.5% are outright Marxist or Socialist, thats why Nancy Pigosee and Stark, Waxman, Boxer, Dodd, Kerry, Schumer, Frank, Wiener, and all the rest of the freak show etc. are always in the lime light, and always quoted in the media.

            Folks You don’t need to be a “rocket scientest” to figure this out.

            {Read the signs} they are all over the place.
            You can’t miss them if you really open your eyes.

          • James L. Casey

            So right. Shooting is not the answer-too late. The Bible is against the cities. See Isiah 5:8.

          • JeffH

            Kate8, I’m sure you realize that all of the shooting talk is a last case scenario with most people. It certainly is with me, but I’m well prepared to defend myself and my neighbors if need be.
            If it ever happens, and I can’t say with surety, will the police and the military follow in lock step with the tyrannical government and herd the peple into the government pens? From those I’ve spoken to I’d say no.

            That said, we all have to continue the effort to regain control through the pen, internet, our voices and our votes. If that fails then “let the games begin”!

          • Kate8

            JeffH, from I’ve garnered, when the games are ready to begin, the oppostion police and military will be the first to go. They know who they are.

            God help us when this time comes. This is why our spiritual preparation has to come first, because God promises to protect His own. “No weapons formed against you shall prosper”.

            BTW, in The Art of War, used by militaries world-over, it is stated that if you know yourself AND your enemy, you will win every battle. If you know yourself but know not your enemy, you will win some of the time. If you know neither, you will lose every battle.

            The evil ones in power have made a science of studying us for eons. They know how we think, how we can be manipulated to think and act, and how we will react (or made to react). They know our strengths and our weaknesses, and they have greatly exploited our weaknesses.

            How much do we know about them? Where are they vulnerable?

          • Gramps

            “They” are vulnerable when “they” step from their vehicles.

          • old white guy

            the second amendment gives you the right to kick the bastards in the ass and get them out. how you kick is up to you.

          • Granny Mae

            Kate8

            JeffH is telling it true. We spout our tufness and we are ready to go if necessary but it is as a last resort. I’m not afraid to die for what I believe in and I don’t think anyone here is. We are, for the most part, God fearing people and hold our faith most dear just as we do our Country and Freedom . I treasure my life as it truly is a gift from God, but I will stand beside my husband and family in fighting for the country and freedom that God gave me too ! What the good Lord has given us we must be ready to defend ! Right now I have a mouse in this house and I have to go and defend my home against this intruding critter ! LOL ! I’ll be back! Hum where did I hear that before?

          • http://don'tunderstand Diane

            Is it not in the Koran, at least in the Muslin belief, that as far as they step their foot – they claim that land for allah. 9/11 was assault on our very lifestyle and what we stand for: FREEDOM. New York is ‘the gateway of The United States” – the home of Ellis Island. This proposed mosque is not just a building ‎- it is a monument to the invasion of allah. Another foothold. This is a lot more serious than we hear. And I hate to think it is because of ‘political correctness’ &/or fear. Yes, the LORD says in Joshua 1:3, “I will give you every place where you set your foot, as I promised Moses.” The difference is the LORD says “I will give you….” and allah says taking the land FOR allah. Small difference in wording but HUGE difference in meaning and intent.

          • JaneSmith

            The big corporations are into hiiring illegal immigrants too. 60% of my coworkers are foreigners. I know that one is an illegal immigrant because he is here on an expired visa. These are good paying jobs too. The computer science departments (software programmers) of most companies are full of foreigners from India, most here illegally.

          • Meteorlady

            It’s time for John Galt. Read Atlas Shrugged and figure it out. We could all just “disappear” and move in close proximity. We could barter, exchange services and goods, and grow our food. We would be under the radar, wouldn’t have to pay any taxes and we would be able to live free. There are other countries and place other than this one. This one is becoming overburdened with immigrants (both legal and illegal) that bring their culture and laws with them, that don’t speak our language and band together in the cities, that take our jobs for less money and cash, and that generally devalue our property and cause havoc in our cities.

          • Meteorlady

            Jane – you need to turn these people in. Maybe ICE will come, maybe not, but you can do it anonymously.

            I worked in high tech in the 1990′s and they brought all these people over from Indian, Pakistan, Canada, China, Russia, etc. They were supposed to be getting the same wages that they rest of us got – that was the law when they got their work visa. They didn’t – they got 1/2 of what we were earning. When the high tech bubble burst guess who was still working and who wasn’t – the citizens were not working because we made more money and were provided health care – the foreign workers costs less and they kept their jobs. When my friends and I started looking for work, we could only find jobs that were what they paid the foreign workers, when we could find jobs. We wrote letters to our congressional representatives and got a standard published letter back. Never any action. Some of my friends were out of work for two years. When they did go back they were making less than they were when they got laid off.

            At some point this will happen to you too. That’s why you turn them in. Otherwise you will be working for lower and lower wages and they will be taking over your jobs.

          • A. Magnus

            Hey Kate8, if the Powers That Be have such great weapons then how come they had to pay off the Iraqi resistance to stop attacking our troops and contractors? The only thing the ‘surge’ did was roll in the bribes to get the militias to back down as ‘Awakening Councils.’ And why are they paying off the Taliban to leave our supply convoys alone? The Iraqis and Afghanis don’t have anything much more high tech than pilfered unguided rockets, artillery shells and shoulder-launched grenades. If the Masters of the Universe were so unstoppable then why is the resistance still active in both countries after all this time?

            People like you would rather have us herded into camps like so many trusting sheep, wouldn’t you? The fact of the matter is that short of getting the Russians and the Chinese to nuke most major American cities (which would be yet another case of ‘we didn’t see it coming’) the Feds couldn’t do much against 80 million gun-owning citizens if they ever got off their MSG-addled, prozac-medicated, network TV-addicted behinds and got organized. That’s why Wall Street is throwing so much money at the Tea Party – to pay off the ringleaders before they decide to clean house. The fact of the matter is that guerilla warfare works…just ask the Founding Fathers!

      • http://ajb221@cox.net AJB OKIE

        prayer is a good way to meet GOD, so is trespassing.

        • Christin

          Those that Trespass will not be seeing our Holy God, but the master to which they serve who will reign in Hell.

    • Bob

      I’m in. What gave the great George Washington freedom will also give and keep our freedom.

      • Robert Smith

        From Bob: >>>What gave the great George Washington freedom will also give and keep our freedom.<<<

        What gave George Washington freedom wasn't the fight but the conviction that all men should be free. By respecting others they respected him, his family, Virginia, and the Unied States of America.

        Rob

        • Bob

          I’m not just talking about the fight. I am talking about our constitution. The “just a piece of paper”, the liberal socialists call it. It is not just a piece of paper. It is something worth fighting for as many women and men have given their lives to protect it and I like millions of others are ready to do the same. To quote another great patriot, “Give me liberty or give me death” is the motto I live by.

          • Bob S

            Bob Do you remember when Dubya said the Constitution was just a Gdamned piece of paper. Did you speak out then?

          • http://, Vippy

            Dubya did say this and the crazies and loonies will vote for that party again. Vote 3rd party and show your dismay!

          • Robert Smith

            From Bob: >>> The “just a piece of paper”, the liberal socialists call it.<<<

            Why are you making up such stuff? I've been accused of being "liberal" several things around here. All false, BTW. I'm a Goldwater Republican / Conservative. I did my four years in the USN (that was another way to avoid getting drafted into the Army back then). So, I took the oath to put my life on the line for America if ordered to do so.

            I think the Constitution is one of the best documents in the world. Please remember that and quit lying about what I believe.

            Rob

          • sylviam

            YES it just a piece of paper & so is the BIBLE, but THE CONTENTS ARE WHAT WE CHERISH. NOT the paper. I know that LOCKING & LOADING is not the answer but it is the action that matters. I AM READY to meet my maker ARE YOU. GOD BLESS AMERICA

          • Kate8

            Robert S. -If it walks like a duck…

          • sunrise

            Tell him Katie!!!

          • Al Sieber

            Robert, quit trying to play games.

          • Robert Smith

            Hi Bob,

            Let’s check out that Constitution thing you claim…

            Dec. 5, 2005: Doug Thompson said Republican leaders complained to Bush during a White House meeting about “onerous” portions of the USA Patriot Act, prompting the following:

            Capitol Hill Blue: “I don’t give a goddamn,” Bush retorted. “I’m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.”

            “Mr. President,” one aide in the meeting said. “There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.”

            “Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!”

            Looks real to me, particularly when I worry about someone looking at what books I take out of the library. I’m sure many have read and have been inspired (as have I) by Ayn Rand (an atheist) and her book “Atlas Shrugged.” Want someone to come search your home because they didn’t like a book you took out of the library?

            Excuse me folks, if things go bad I’m going to Gault’s Gulch.

            Rob

          • Meteorlady

            Micheal G – I HATE THE “WASTE YOUR VOTE ARGUMENT”! It’s propaganda by BOTH parties. It’s hoped that everyone will believe it whole heartedly. If you have 5 candidates running for the same office, who is the best? You research, collect voting records, look at the money trail, meet candidate and ask the hard questions, and do the best you can to find a good candidate. If you take the time and do all that, then pick your person, you might also want to support them by contacting others in your community and talk to them about your candidate. If all of you join together you just might get a third party candidate elected. It has happened in state and local races, and will happen again. Perot was a very popular third party candidate whom people took seriously and would have voted for, but he quit.

            NO VOTE IS WASTED if it’s an intelligent selection and you vote for the best person to do the job you want them to do. Look to the Libertarian party, the Constitution Party and others that would support your stand.

        • Al Sieber

          Robert Smith, quit dividing us with this “right-left” crap, you might bend over for the Govt. and lick their boots, but a lot of us aren’t going for it.

          • Bob

            No, Bob S. I did not have internet back then. Okay, going by what you say which I have not researched yet. The liberal socialists and Dubya calls it a piece of paper. Even if I did not speak out about it then, does that mean I cannot speak out about it now? Why don’t you go to Ed Shultz’ web site. I am sure you will find “friends” there.

          • http://PeersonalLibraryDigest Michael G.

            If you vote 3rd party you’ll only be allowing the dems another go-round and more trouble. Kick one group out at a time, and meanwhile establish term limits.

          • JeffH

            Al Sieber, it sure is an obvious game of deciet he/she is playing.

          • Al Sieber

            JeffH, you got that right, he’s a word player,deceit is right.

    • http://www.personalliberty.com Eckie

      Thank you for serving our country! Or what was our country. We are fast loosing it! Dodd and Freddie need to be put out to sea along with the rest of his crew! If one has any land we need to hang on to it. But they will find a way. I just read last week where the Gov. is wanting to make a lot more land Fed. land. Now I see why.

    • ifw

      It’s a very sad day to see this happening. All those books & films that show what the future will be like – tall buildings with everyone packed in like sardines! Do we really want that for our children? The government already has too much power – we need to reduce that not increase it.

      • http://, Vippy

        control of the population, we can’t continue to breed like we do. After a while we won’t have land left to grow food and all resources are gone.

        • Kate8

          Vippy, population would regulate itself it TPTB would leave us alone. When I was a kid, America had only 100million. It has been the flooding of America with the Third World that has brought us to this point. Why do you suppose they wanted to bring us down to the level of undeveloped countries? Why were we convinced that we owed it to the rest of the world to sacrifice what we built and ‘give away the farm’? To show how PC we are?

          Canada’s population is less than that of the state of California.

          It is social engineering that destroyed us, and renders us little more than livestock.

          • Christin

            kate8, What is TPTB?

          • Kate8

            Christin – TPTB = The Powers That Be. The globalist elites. From the House of Rothschilds, royalties, Kissinger, Soros et al, down to our own government elites.

          • Christin

            Thanks kate8
            TPTB, couldn’t figure that one out… thought maybe it was
            “Toilet Paper for The Butt.”

            Sorry about my childish humor.

          • Meteorlady

            Canada severely cut immigration quotas some years back. They also cut the number of third world immigrants that they allow in because they are basically under educated and cost the Canadians money. You must also have money to take care or yourself when you enter. Here, the churches sponsor immigrants from third world countries and when they get here they take the to the welfare office to get as many benefits as they can. Thus creating more welfare slaves for the government and causing tax increases to the workers in this country.

        • Christin

          Vippy,
          Please don’t buy into that population control hype. God said “Be fruitful and multiply” (to the Believers). God made the heavens and the earth and he knows we would all fit into his creation. I have been all over the United States and there is plenty of untouched, raw land… and plenty of land to live on, farm and raise crops and farm animals to feed the people. There is land all over this planet sitting unlived on.

          What you are writing is wrong and is about depopulation of the earth so that we can save precious resources. Well, guess what God gave us plenty of those too, but the greens and communists don’t want you to know about that because you might get all big in the head and believe we as a people and a nation can do well and take care of everyone (without them).

          America has plentiful resources of gas, oil and coal (and dams)to power up homes, businesses and factories. We have plenty of land to live and grow food, [but gov has been putting the small farmer out of business and paying them NOT to farm.] We have plenty of clean air and water (if certain corrupt officals wouldn’t put chemicals and toxins into them to harm us.)

          God made the most wonderful “water filtration system” with the layers of soil, rocks, and minerals to clean the water that flows down to the aquifers. God made the most wonderful “air flitration system” with the wind, rain and greenery of all kinds (trees, bushes, grasses) which take in carbon dioxide and gives out oxygen for all life to survive.

          Don’t believe the lies that we have to get rid of some of God’s people so that mother earth, their pretend god, can survive. Their theory is more like get rid of some of the people so that the Radical Godless Communist Elite Ruling Class can have more and control you better.

          God loves and values all his children. He knew every hair on their heads and made them just the way they are in their mother’s womb. God gave each person a soul which will live for all eternity with or without Him. He just wishes us to Trust and Obey and come to Him. He has sent His Son, Jesus with the living waters so we may never thirst again and lay our burdens down at His feet and have eternal Life with Him.

          Who could KNOW BETTER than God, our creator?

          • Bob

            Hey Christin Tell all the illegals about all the land in Mexico and Central America. Most of the open land here is owned by the gov’t.

          • Ruth B, Concerned Patriot

            A very thought-provoking writing, Christin. Population control (by government) vs. God’s word to “to be fruitful and multiply.” A key thought here is that He was speaking to believers/followers – later to be called Christians. Some will say, so we think we are better than others… No, no!! God gives everyone equal opportunity – He is “long-suffering toward us/not willing that ANY should perish but that ALL might come to repentance.” (and become His children)2 Peter 3:9. Then, yes, He knows our earth’s ability to sustain us all.

        • old white guy

          as people become more prosperous they have fewer children. the proof is there. malthus was wrong and lived in a different era. i know you did not say anything about malthus but some moron will.

          • coal miner

            Old white guy,

            You may be right.There may be too many old people,not enough young people.Young people are the ones that creates.Good post.

        • sunrise

          So Vippy, you think we should let them play God instead, or maybe you??? There’s enough food to feed the whole world now easy if so much wasn’t government controlled and wasted. Take all the tons and tons and tons of food that resturants are required to throw away every day, and the bread companies and all the other companies. No, greed and power and control over the many by the greedy few is the problem, and they have you brainwashed too. Using that scare tactic to make you think we should give them the control over us to tell us we can only have 1.5 children per household, and we have to eat their government controlled food that will make us sick so we have to take their government controlled drugs, and then of course don’t forget the government controlled healthcare, gotta get off of here, the ignorance is taking it’s toll now.

        • Al Sieber

          Vippy, you think we’re over populated? you go first.

        • BCoop

          As of 1980 there were 10 Billion people on this planet, as of 2008 there were 6.3 billion people on this planet. There is no over-population. Actually they have been systematically reducing the worlds population.If you tell a lie long enough people will believe the lie. As of 2010 we are below the 6 billion mark. Seem like their agenda is working well for them. Statistics taken from the UN. And if you believe in over-population then maybe global warming or any weather change is man-made too!

    • Soldier

      LOL, ok. You, as a Nam vet are going to take on the federal government with no rules of engagement. We need current military on board to side with the people. We need soldiers not to obey unconsitutional orders.

      The reason for this is simple. If our military blindly follows the government, then if and when the government takes on the American people, they will use NBC weapons. The horrors of Gettysburg during the first Civil War will be replaced with the horror of Austin, Texas, where millions in the city died from nerve gas attack in the span of a few minutes after it was shelled by artillerly well outside the city.

      Sorry folks, but a few moron rednecks with AR-15s in the woods just ain’t gonna do it when the federal government has M1A1 main battle tanks, VX nerve gas, and tactical nukes.

      The military needs to side with the people. If they side with the banksters in power and the Pentagon Generals, as they have pretty much done up until now, then at best, you can win your freedom in a few hours or days of underground fighting until you are instantly killed by a VX nerve agent attack.

      • old white guy

        what the hell do you think the troops in afganistan are fighting. year after year fighting primitive tribesmen. ha. do you think they would use more effort on their own countymen. i sure as hell hope they are not that stupid.

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          most military people are conservatives, sons and daughters of veterans, and take their Oath to the Constitution seriously. I don’t think they would follow unlawful orders and turn on their own people. BO, like Clinton before him, is universally disliked by most troops. That may be why BO is keeping them overseas. Remeber the gvt. statement that veterans and returning troops may be a terrorist threat to the gvt? It may come to be where BO brings in Blue Helmets. Wonder how they taste?

          • Kate8

            gunner – Why do you suppose they gov’t is sending the best-of-the-best into foreign wars, getting them killed and maimed, not to mention the ones who come home having all manner of crippling syndromes.

            Don’t forget that many foreigners now enlist in our military. Many are people with no particular regard for America, don’t have a clue about our Constitution or Bill of Rights, and have grown up believing government is all-powerful.

            Then there are our own socialist-indoctrinated youth who, also, have no understanding of our founders intentions for governance, think it no longer relevant anyway, and who believe their loyalties lie with Barack Hussein Obama.

            Many of our military men are true patriots but, probably, half of them will side with those in command. They will be the ones who turn on the patriots, as ordered.

            I don’t know how we can do it in today’s isolationist environment, but we really need to get organized and united. Surely there are some of you out there who have good ideas. I, for one, am all ears!

      • LocalYokel

        And since you haven’t seen any blogs indicating that they have already made that decision do you think that they should reveal strategy to the common enemy? That may be common practice among media shadows but not in the real world. Mercenaries will deserve highest priority. Just watch for the lines drawn in the dust. It won’t be for a game of hopscotch. A top level cyber spook was found in a duffel bag in his apartment in Great Briton just yesterday.

      • sunrise

        that’s the thing Soldier, they are not going to be able to take many down at once in the middle of nowhere woods, that is why they want us all conglomerated in the city, and I hope you are one of ours. Many of the soldiers I know know what time it is, they took an oath to protect their country right? we are their country. I totally agree, everyone needs to reach out and inform their own in the military!

      • Al Sieber

        Solider, there’s over 300 million guns in this Nation, if only 1- million people stood up there’s a chance. they’ll use foreign troops because our troops are out of the country(how convenient) and only 3 out of 10 would fire on Americans, they’ll also use Black Water who is now called XE, and they didn’t take a oath to our constitution. ancient Rome, and Nazi Germany did this among other countries, so what’s your plan Gen. Patton? we all have to die sometime, so the our rights end with a whimper, not a bang.

        • dan az

          Al this is why I say that you cant go and save anyone behind the fences because of fools like this guy! they would turn you in and say it was for your own protection! Sad days ahead!

          • Al Sieber

            Yeah dan you’re right,sometimes I think I can still wake people up like that lame ass Robert Smith.

        • Bob

          Al What about tanks, helicopters, and drones. How would we fight them with jusr rifles and small arms?

          • Al Sieber

            Bob, how come we haven’t won in Afghanistan, it doesn’t take 9 years to win there.WW11 took 4 1/2 years to win, Afgan. is still going on. either we try or lie down like rats. what do you have to lose?

      • dan az

        Soldier if you where
        we have hundreds of vets from nam and korea and bosnia and irag and afganastan and they have their buddies still in, That cant wait to get started. In all states their is a military base or two that have all the weapons including aircraft available for the taking including missiles that can reach out and touch you on the other side of this nation.the one thing that every one forgets is that they the soldiers are our young!So if you are to scared, then go hide in another country where you might fit in!

        • Christin

          Ya know dan az, I wondered why they wouldn’t let soldiers carry weapons on a base after all that’s what they are their to do… learn how to fight our enemies. (I only learned of this after the muslim in Fort Hood, TX shot 13 guys and wounded 30 more. Now everyone knows.)

          But now that you stated that “there are weapons, aircraft and missles, too, all for the taking” on bases, I can see why someone thought ahead and made it where you could not carry… how will you get in and “take” if you don’t have a weapon?
          Some on the inside will help?

      • JaneSmith

        The Oathkeepers mission is to educate active duty, law enforcement and veterans in this area. Personally, I think the federal reserve owners would stop at nothing to stay in power and they are in POWER.

    • ChuckL

      Reply to Article:

      This law would move all of us into an easily targeted area for easy annihilation. You can put many more people in a tenement than onto working farms.

      You might look at the devastation done by the “natural gas explosion” reported this morning.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        only if we comply. American patriots won’t go down easily like the Jews in Europe did. Thank God for the 2nd Ammendment.

    • JC

      The NWO is moving very quickly now. They realize there is an awakening taking place and they are trying to stay ahead of it.
      They will create as much dissent and control as they can to eventually declare martial law…then we get to find out what the FEMA camps are for. Arm yourselves.

      • Kate8

        JC, Well said. Simple and to the point.

        The time is NOW.

    • Kenneth J. Alling

      dan az: semper fi do or die. Let the liberals die for their BS ways. I’m just glad i spent 1967,68,69 in Vietnam. It is time for the Wolves to act. I not let the draft dodging liberals tell us what to do. Draft dodgers and war protestors are treasonous little brown balls….Ken

    • Harleyman

      Like the wolves comment are you hungry yet I am. I live in the country for the same reason. How many people do you know that can live off the land? I can.

    • http://www.omegaministry.org tom

      They do NOT want the have-nots in the cities! What they are really doing is securing the cities for the elite blue-bloods. Why do you think every major city has a highway perimeter going around the entire city? It is a military maneuver so they can quickly secure, monitor and patrol the city in time of emergency.

      Can’t you see how they’re shutting down all the housing projects in the cities and forcing those people into the suburbs. If you have the greenbacks you’ll be welcome in the city – otherwise hit the road.

      There is only one way to prepare for the coming tribulation…Repent and cry out in the name of Jesus Christ for forgiveness and get filled with the Holy Spirit AND fire! You don’t have stock up with food, ammo, gold and silver to survive this. Most of us can’t afford even to live beyond paycheck to paycheck (if there even is a paycheck) so how can we possibly save anything up? God will provide for his children that follow Jesus Christ.

  • DaveH

    Time for the Conservative States to secede. Let the Liberals survive on their own.

    • dan az

      Im count the days! check out the you tube at the right on the gulf stream.I think the time is closer than before!

      • Al Sieber

        dan, thats why I live way out in the mountains too, you’re only a hour and a half from me, my son lives in your area. I’ve been prepared for years and sick of this Govt. and old enough not to give a $hit.

        • Claire

          Al Sieber–I am inclined to agree.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Clair & Al, Ditto, but I’ll go down defending what I got!

          • Claire

            Angel–I agree.

          • Al Sieber

            Claire, AngelW, you Ladies have “spirit”.

        • dan az

          Al you know they use to call me nuts and paranoid but they dont anymore and for all you girls you make us all proud of your common sense and willing to fight for what you believe in.I hope it never comes to this but Im glad that there is so many that are here that believe we can and will win the fight for our freedoms. Head shots only!

          • Al Sieber

            Good post dan.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Al Sieber, Well, when your were raised like we were, right Clair?__Ya either do it or die!__Hard times either make ya timid, or aggressive, lets just say it did not make us timid_I don’t try and speak for other people, but I’ll take the risk and speak for Clair here too, and anyone else who’s had it rough!

          • Al Sieber

            Angel, I grew up in old school, my parents didn’t have much money, it was tough, but I didn’t realize it. my dad told me about the Govt. when JFK was murdered, and don’t trust the Govt. he told me, that’s why I’m the way I’am. so you either die on your feet, or serve on your knees.

          • Claire

            Angel–You got it. I will stand up for what I believe in–always. “Get them before they get you.” lol

      • Christin

        dan az,
        I think you are right dan az, the time is closeer than most think. I watched the video (over to the right of the page) “From the Gulf Stream to the Blood Stream… The video BP doesn’t Want You to See” over an hour ago. And I would add our own gov wouldn’t want you to see either.
        I was shocked and dismayed at the level of corruption and evil that has permeated ALL aspects of our country… even if that means people and animals suffer and die. I am particularly disheartened as I live in a Gulf State not so far from the coast. I guess I am really naive to think we as a people and a nation were better than that… maybe many of us are, but not them.

        I had a website with disasterous Gulf Oil Spill pictures of epic proportions(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHxb_vZe7Ao&feature=email) that I gave out a couple months ago, but I just checked it and it is down… no surprise, huh!

        I believe the Gulf Oil Rig was sabbotaged by Big Players and we have: an oil moratorum by BO… no drilling, oil rigs will be sold to Brazil (soros), America will be dependant on foreign oil, and (from this article) we will be pushed in to the dirty congested liberal cities (re-education) to save on oil (even though America is rich in oil, natural gas, and coal resouces), the Gulf will probably be a dead zone for commerce of any kind: fishing, tourism, oil, recreation… people and animals will be ill and die.

        You know after they FINALLY capped the broken pipe that was gushing oil, the oil company asked if they should just continue to draw and collect the oil from down under to an oil rig sitting above and the gov/BO said NO. The well was drilled and it was plentiful and America could have provided jobs in collection & refining and oil for the public, but I guess they don’t want us to be self-sufficient and they probably knew they were going to drop the deadly chemicals to clean up.

        Soon winter migration will occur and the birds will fly here and find no food, only illness. They should have cleaned the water up right and not dropped tons of the killer chemicals in the living waters.

        What wretched people would want to harm the people, the animals, and the land that God gave us?

        Watch the video my friends.

        • Claire

          Christin–I am with you on your comments. I watched the video. I have to say that this does not surprise me. BP and our government will not tell the truth now or in the future. Sabotage? Yes, in many many ways. Your last sentence in your post speaks volumes and it is tragic because it is the truth. Thank you for posting it. I hope everyone reads it.

        • dan az

          christin
          Really disturbing times that we are in, but its good to know that so many eyes are opening to see the true evil in this world today.Thank bob livingston for this site to express what we feel and plan for our futures. Just think if this was taking away like our liberty has been how would we know if there was any other people that thought the same as us.fight the good fight all of you thanks for being here.

    • jm

      We are building the fence at the wrong border. It should be built on the mason-dixon line. Once we keep the yankee progressive liberals out we can secure our southern border and save whats left of our country.

      • http://personalliberty.com Tracie

        AMEN!!! American by birth, Southern by the grace of God!!!

      • http://www.chartimages.info Bud Wood

        Actually, I had always thought that Barry Goldwater’s comment that “this would be a better place if some how the eastern USA could be cut loose at the Mississippi and drift out into the Atlantic” was accurate if not fully practical.

        However, this “U”SA is just way too top heavy and will probably break-up within less than a decade.

      • Bagman

        Excellent..petitions should be whippet to the governors of the particular states Now!!

    • Richard Pawley

      Well, there are those who have studied the situation and have come to the conclusion that after the dollar and the economy have been destroyed by Democratic and even Republican Progressives, the USA will be no longer, but will eventually break up into five countries. I hope not, but even that would be better than being slaves and serfs to a people hating, freedom hating, Federal government that has abandoned their God and their constitution. (Sorry Dave, I know you have not yet been blessed to have discovered who God is and that not only is He knowable but that he loves you). William Penn for whom Pennsylvania is named said that those who will not live under the laws of God will live under tyrants. He didn’t say under this church or that one, he said the laws of God, which are universal, evident by a study of nature, but expressed clearly in the Ten Commandments and expressed through the writings of the founding fathers of this great nation. It comes down to the basic fight between good and evil and that is what this is all about. There are those who believe that all rights come from God as is evident in the Constitution and those who believe that they are god and the givers of rights. The guiding spirit of the United Nations is one of evil not of good. It is good on paper, but not in reality, like the false belief of some that they will have 72 virgins or some other such nonsense if they sacrifice themselves by killing others. The are many laws of the Universe and they require discovery more than belief. Gravity is one but it has misled Stephen Hawking to conclude the Universe didn’t need God to start it which only proves as I said in the Washington Post, that he is not so smart as he thinks he is. Another law of the Universe is that as you sow, so shall you reap. “All that we send into the lives of others, will return unto our own” as the poet said. This is why as a nation we must respect others but not lord it over them and those terrorists who committed the atrocities nine years ago tomorrow on 9/11 must suffer all the pain and suffering that they have caused. That is simply the way it is. We do not see that suffering because they are dead too but be assured they are as much in a kind of hell as anyone can be. Those who follow Jesus are the only ones who can truly know that God is real and that he loves us but we still have to grow because the Bible says that when we see God as he is we will be like him. Sadly some in Washington already think they are god-like and it is these we must send home in November. I have often recommended PRISON TO PRAISE as a wonderful 106 page book that has changed many who sought to know the truth about knowing and experiencing God. Even Jesus said it wasn’t just about faith as there would be some who would have the faith to work miracles but they were not on God’s side but into power and money and control (sounds like some in our District of Corruption) although thank God they cannot work miracles. Did you know that there are some school books that are teaching that it is government that is the giver of rights? If that is true then government can also take them away, like private property of home ownership. This is why most liberals have a hazy religion and many believe they are god or that they will one day be god or they deny God altogether. That however, is like denying gravity. It changes nothing but it does limit their life. As I wrote in one of my books about the common disease that one can be God, “Sorry that job is already taken.” We are not just pawns in some celestial battle of good and evil but the creation of a God who loves us and who will not let us down if we learn His ways and seek His help. I think Glenn Beck captured the truth of this on 8/28 when he said it is for us to be on God’s side, not for Him to be on ours. Only a return to God and the Godly principles of what the Marxist/socialist/progressives consider an “imperfect document” can save our country. Have you seen where even Castro is admitting that Communism isn’t working for Cuba? And yet Michael the movie maker would have us believe it is all so wonderful there. Believers are doing their part by utilizing the power of prayer but the rest of us can vote in seven weeks and if enough of us do IT WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE! Long Live the Republic, and may God bless the United States of America!

      • Kate8

        Richard Pawley, excellent post.

        We must return to the natural laws of God. These laws are universal, as in governing the Universe. They hold all things in order, operating at precise calibrations. We can try to swim upstream or we can relax and float with the current.

        This is why evil always first must destroy faith in God’s Laws before it can gain traction. Some seem convinced that freedom is not to be bound by God’s Laws, beginning with the Big 10. The truth is, these Laws insure our freedom and prosperity. Rebellion against them brings certain bondage, and abject misery at the hands of those who would declare themselves gods, but are filled only with the lust for power and desruction. They call good evil, and evil good; but no good, no love, is in them.

        • Robert Smith

          From Kate8: >>>We must return to the natural laws of God.<<<

          Go to Iran if you want that.

          I'll keep America, thank you very much.

          Rob

          • JeffH

            Robert Smith, as Al Sieber inferred…you are a phony!

          • Kate8

            JeffH – Robert Smith obviously has no idea what that means.

            Anyone who objects to honoring and respecting one another and, indeed, all of life; anyone who has a problem with operating from a place of love and harmony with the universe, and is opposed to liberty and the right to be left alone by those who would oppress… Well, what is left to say?

            People like him will, sadly, be left to writhe in a hell of their own making.

          • JeffH

            Kate8, no doubt about it.

          • JC

            In God We Trust. One of our oldest principles. YOU go to Iran Smith.

          • Al Sieber

            Robert Sm, this country was founded on the principals of God and Nature and John Locke and some of the teaching of Jesus Christ. what’s Iran have to do with it? are you CIA or a paid liberal?

          • http://don'tunderstand Diane

            rob, you have that choice BECAUSE of the sacrifices of others. I honor them.

        • LocalYokel

          Many of the same indoctrination, like Rob, seem to be unaware of the roots of the hard earned success of American independence that are being starved by many ideologues with no proven success in the fiction of their minds. Among neither has there been nor will there be any perfect examples of human leadership but many silver tongued orators for those so indoctrinated to follow. Some are thankful to be here and yet remiss of all processes employed to arrive at this point in time. Practices automatically invoked were seldom recorded as were the victories of historical significance but must be acknowledged through other quotes from those involved. None of the inscriptions on buildings and monuments in the US capital can be ignored except by a few kooks that have attempted to filter history for consumption by yet another generation that has come to believe that it can walk alone. We have been in a 97 year decline with only 223 years existence as an independent nation after experiencing the greatest and least recorded spiritual event in modern history and yet attraction world attention in San Francisco in 1903. Even so the condition of both San Francisco and the US are suffering from the same spiritual denial with or without the approval of one Rob.
          Iran has been in religious turmoil for 1300 years for the same reason but with added suppression from their conflicting spiritual guide and its blood line leaders.

      • Christin

        I concur, very well said Richard Pawley and kate8.
        You have the insight needed by so many.
        Keep preaching it!

      • sylviam

        Amen!!! You have a God given Gift Richars P, Sorry but I haven’t seen any of your books, but I would really like to read at least One of them. Can youy tell me where to find one like AMAZON or where? I live in Virginia on a MOUNTAIN. God Bless America

    • alpha-lemming

      Long live Freedonia!!

    • http://, Vippy

      why then did the blue states have to bail out the red states?

      • ChuckL

        If we grant your false assumption based on only a single instance, it is easily explained by the fact that taxes have been collected equally from the states but redistributed primarily to the blue states for a long time.

        The red states would not have problems if their money had not been redistributed to the blue states.

      • LocalYokel

        Nobody got bailed Vippy. But a few sold out their voter base.

      • JoJo

        ippy, you are a total idiot. Please stay off and away from this site.

  • Jim H.

    I guess since Cris Dodd screwed up the real estate market, he needed to find people a place to live. Let’s put them in the “Peoples Commune” in the city, where we can keep a better eye on them.

    • http://www.personalliberty.com Eckie

      That should not be hard there are plenty of empty houses!!

  • Angel Wannabe

    Can anyone say a GOVERNMENT GONE WILD!__ That’d be a great vid! I wonder if Snoop Dog is free, to film it??___Quite frankly, it Looks as if they’re trying to incite a riot._The Power hungry B*stards!!

    I don’t know how much more information these Utopian Obama sheep need, to see we’re being taken over here._ Picture this folks, it’s a sunny day and the skies are blue, as all the Happy little Liberals, holding hands skipping happily down 19 floors, to the market in the basement, to buy they’re daily ration of food, While SMART cars putter by, at a max of 5 mile per hour, so as NOT disturb the environment! As you glance around, pictures of the Messiah, Obama and his Congress, our Historic leaders, that created this wonderful Utopian fantasy world!__OK NOW, BACK TO REALITY!__REMEMBER NOVEMBER!

    • http://www.personalliberty.com Eckie

      Amen to that!! But more truth than poetry I think!

  • Mike

    Looks like daddy Bush republiCON was the one who signed it into law.

    You know the chief executive can veto bills don’t you?

    If not go study how your government works before you rant.

    • slickporsche

      No need for you in here, as you sound like a liberal.

      • Robert Smith

        slickporshe says: >>>No need for you in here, as you sound like a liberal.<<<

        And that's supposed to wipe away reality? Name calling…

        Really. I've seen a lot of folks on a wide assortment of drugs and booze (oops, alcohol is a drug) and what I'm seeing from the right around here is that they are acting like drug free three year olds. Nananananananananana (bad word, bad name) I win.

        Rob

        • http://Google ProudChicagoan

          Name calling? Because he called you a liberal!!! You libs are hopeless!!! You can do all the name calling and finger pointing (obamanation on Bush) and that is okay; but, speak the truth and call you a liberal and you call that name calling. Talk about growing up!!! And what is really sad, as soon as all of this comes true, you libs will be in a corner crying like a baby instead of fighting for your rights!! What Kool-Aid are you drinking???

        • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

          Why don’t you all just admit that you are totalitarian socialists. I don’t like the liberal label anyway, because you are not truely liberal when you seek total control of every individual except yourselves. The only thing liberal is your rejection of traditional values ie. homosexual marriage etc.

          • Robert Smith

            CONSRVATIVE AT BIRTH accuses: >>>The only thing liberal is your rejection of traditional values ie. homosexual marriage etc.<<<

            Barry Goldwater had no problem with gays in the military. The Israli army, one of the toughest in the world, has no problem with gays in the military.

            Barry Goldwater had no problems with abortion.

            A true American that Barry Goldwater. Sadly the Republican party has left us in persuit of red meat from the christian right. Along the way they have corrupted America with the likes of George Bush.

            Rob

        • DaveH

          What’s so funny, Robert, is that you go on that condescending tirade and feign holding the moral highground. Give it up. You are a Liberal. You have no morals.

        • Kate8

          LOL.

          Robert, you are pathetic.

          Some people will do anything for money.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Hey Robert Smith, how’s ’bout takin’ a powder!

          • Robert Smith

            Angel Wannabe: >>>Robert Smith, how’s ’bout takin’ a powder!<<<

            No thanks, but thanks for the offer. I have plenty of powder and it's dry.

            Rob

          • Al Sieber

            Robert just don’t snort to much of that powder, wet or dry.

        • sunrise

          Oh, I thought you were the right Rob??? A gold so and so… a big zero as far as the affect you are having on changing anyones minds on here, go crawl back in your hole please.

      • Angel Wannabe

        slickporsche, I beleive Daddy Bush was involved in NWO, I remember him on several speeches, talking about it. I just don’t know, to what extent his involvement is. I gotta read up.

        • JW

          Please read, but stay away from the conspiracy theories. Father Bush did agree to ” Agenda 21″. But his history as an elitist is well known. I objected back when he was VP with Reagan. Research Trilateral Commission and Council on Foregin Relations. Not because of some sinister plot, but who the backers and planners are within these orgaizations. We wish to think that we have some sort of control with our politicians, well think again. Wall Street and the Fed are the shadow Government along with these organizations. They dictate more policy than our Constitution allows. And if you don’t agree with them as a mover and shaker in the political , you can bet your life there are threats.

        • Kate8

          Daddy Bush was the first to speak OPENLY of a coming New World Order. It sent chills up my spine at the time, and for years after.

          Remember him speaking of the ‘thousand points of light’ and so on. That’s NWO lingo.

          • Kate8

            BTW, JW. Get current. Yesterday’s “conspiracy theories” are today’s realities.

            “Conspiracy theory” was just a term coined by those who didn’t want us to catch on before they were ready to spring the trap.

          • DaveH

            I agree, Kate. They would much rather that we keep our heads in the sand while they do their dirty duty.
            With Liars (most politicians are) you have to read between the lines. It’s the only way you have a chance of knowing what is really going on.

      • Bob S

        Hey Slick There are alot of people on here who aren’t affiliated with either party. So stop calling them names because you don’t know what you are talking about.

        • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

          What names? Liberal? I agree with slick on that one.

        • JeffH

          Bob S, you find calling a liberal a “liberal” offensive. You can’t really be that dumbed down can you, unless of course you too are a liberal.

          • Bob

            Jeff I’m not talking about the word liberal. I’m talking about idiot or fool or some of the other words they use. Liberal and Conservative that the ruling elite throw out there to make people argue and get off the subject.

          • DaveH

            Bob, I can’t speak for the rest, but when I use the term Liberal it applies to anybody who advocates Big Government. There are Liberals in both major Parties but most are in the Democrat Party. When I use the term Conservative it applies to all who believe in Limited Government as our Founders envisioned. Unfortunately the right-wingers have claimed the term Conservative as their own, so I try to use the phrase True Conservative to distinguish myself from those on the right.

        • dan az

          BS
          that just about says it all dont you think?

    • Lou

      Bush did not sign it into law. You misread the article. Bush just signed on to the U.N. agreement. The bill pass not been passed yet. It is has passed thru the democrat controlled banking committee. YOU NEED TO READ THE ARTICLE AGAIN!

      • Bruce D.

        Bill every time I check out a liberals facts on the internet I find they are never really the facts. They are just some watered down version of the facts or a complete lie. These people are unbelievable.

        • JeffH

          Bruce D., now why is that not surprising? That’s just the fact of the matter!

          • dan az

            JeffH
            I know you dont mean brain matter!

    • Richard Pawley

      Yes, and that is why we need a new chief executive, and an entirely New Congress. Not Democrat and Not Republican, but AMERICAN. Anyone would be better than what we have in Washington now.

      • Robert Smith

        Richard Pawley says: >>>Anyone would be better than what we have in Washington now.<<<

        How's 'bout one of them there christians!

        David Koresh comes to mind.

        Jim Jones… Now there's a good one.

        Rob

        • Kate8

          Robert Smith, You really despise Christians, apparently.

          My my, how intolerant and hateful.

          Your socialist friends are a much better choice. Um hmmm.

          • Kate8

            BTW, Robert S., I find you really annoying. And I don’t think I’m alone on that.

          • Angel Wannabe

            kate8, your not alone RS, he’s a bit annoying, thankfully in time they go away!

          • dan az

            Kate8
            I find my self wanting to reach through my screen and bitch slapping this turd! sorry if I offended you! but its better than shooting my screen dont ya think?

        • DaveH

          Robert,
          I am atheist. But I would take a Christian any day over a Liberal. At least the Christian are trying to be respectful to their fellow human being. Sorry, but I can’t say the same about thieving, controlling Liberals.

          • Robert Smith

            Hi DaveH: >>>But I would take a Christian any day over a Liberal.<<<

            Really! Have you forgotten how Bush took a budget surplus and spent us into a serious recession and the worst debt ever?

            Rob

          • Kate8

            Robert Smith, Are you a parrot? Do you always repeat back what everyone says?

            Believe it or not, we are not so stupid that we can’t figure out what you are talking about when you answer a post.

            It’s your mocking tone that is irritating. I realize that your only purpose for being here is to be an irritant, but you are behaving like a jerk.

          • JeffH

            Robert Smith, sorry but I have to ask what budget “surplus” are you referring to? Couldn’t be the phony surplus Clinton cooked the books on could it?

          • DaveH

            When Bush left office, Robert, the National Debt was $10.6 Trillion. Mind you, I’m no Bush lover, but he pales in comparison to Obama. Bush was in office for 8 years. The National Debt was $5.7 Trillion when Bush took office. That is a growth of $4.9 Trillion.
            The National Debt now stands at $13.4 Trillion. That is a growth of only $2.8 Trillion for Obama. But wait, Obama has only been in office for 19 months and the debt has grown more to more than half the increase that it took Bush 8 years (96 months) to create.
            Bush created $.6 Trillion/year, but Obama has created more than 4 times that much debt in less than 2 years.

          • BCoop

            The Waco siege was a travesty against freedom and the American way of life.The reason for the attack was because members of the church were filming the government transporting Arms and Drugs. Right next to the compound was an airport used by arms/drug traffickers. Just like what happened in Mena,Ak.Need I explain more?

        • Christin

          Robert Smith,
          It’s no wonder you don’t like “Christians” … you haven’t a clue what one is!

          You think “David Koresh” is a follower of Christ… wow. He had his own little CULT going where he was the god and all the young girls had to have physical relations with him. Then he had them all his followers kill themselves when Democrat Reno led the attack against his compound. That’s not even close to Christianity.

          You should stick with topics you are familiar with… which appears by your writings not to be much.

          • Kate8

            Christin, We’ll never know the truth about David Koresh. Maybe what you say is true, but the administration, at the time, spread a lot of lies about them in order to justify what they did to them.

            The fact is, they did nothing that I know of to warrent the attack they got from the feds. All they really did was form a community and stockpile arms. The government always finds that threatening.

            Can’t blame anyone for not trusting the feds.

          • Christin

            You are probably right, kate8.
            I have probably not heard the whole truth and have only heard what the gov said to rationalize what they did. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I did not agree with Reno and the gov attacking that group of people in that manner back then even for those reasons.
            I also didn’t agree with the attack they made in Arizona with the poligamy group of Mormons (was it?) a few years ago under Bush2. They said a teenage girl called and said she was forced to marry an older man and he raped her, but this girl was never found. (Very similiar to the David Koresh story.)

            I felt the gov was TESTing the waters to see the scope of their defense, trying to see how far they could go to disassemble a religious group, and how the rest of America would react. Maybe they were also trying to make legal precedent and sway public opinion. Still, I don’t think these groups possess(ed) a faith in Christianity.

          • Al Sieber

            Christin, watch the DVD, “Waco: Rules of Engagement” those people weren’t whacked out, they were murdered by our Govt. it clearly shows in the video what really happened. it was never proven those children were molested by David Koresh. thats what’s planned for us. they used the military against them and murdered women and children.

          • Al Sieber

            Christin, I live in Ariz. and not far from these Mormons, but far enough, theres a lot more to this picture also.

          • DaveH

            Bill Clinton’s government claimed David Koresh was a child molester. Isn’t that supposed to be harmful to the child? But what is more harmful to that child? I would say death.
            The Government killed either indirectly or directly at least 20 children:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_Siege

            Think about that when you make the mistake of thinking that Big Government is really concerned about your welfare.

          • DaveH

            Al Sieber,
            Interesting tidbit about the video “Waco the Rules of Engagement”:
            In the first attack by the Government, where 4 agents and 6 Davidians were killed, if you look at the video, several agents went through a window, after which one agent was seen shooting through that same window with a high-powered assault rifle. I remarked to my girlfriend “What an idiot, those things go through walls. He could be hitting his own agents”. I found out later that two of those agents (both killed) were former Clinton bodyguards. Coincidence? I doubt it.

          • Christin

            kate8, Al S. and Dave H.,
            I hope you have not all misunderstood my stance. I am not for big government and never will be. I am not for government attacks on religious communes and killing people or taking their children away from them. Reno had no right to come into this state and put forth a full fledged attack in Waco to kill an entire group of people… for what reason… they were not a threat or terrorists. (If I was misinformed about the group in my younger years then I appoligize.) And I see no reason the gov did the same in Arizona.

            I merely stated that I didn’t think these folks represented Christianity. God says to love your neighbor; be the light and salt of the earth; and spread the good news of the gospel that Jesus Christ is Lord to all nations. One can’t really do this and obey God if one is locked behind a compound.

          • Al Sieber

            DaveH, I’ve noticed that, but hopefully millions of others have too.

          • Kate8

            Christin – No misunderstanding of your stance. I know you are one of us.

            Many of us bought the government’s rationale for attacking Waco at the time. I just don’t believe anything they say anymore. I look at everything in a new light now.

            What their religious bent was, or if they had one, I don’t know. To be honest, I never spent much time on this one. All I know is that they should have been left alone to live as they chose. We have Muslims taking over whole cities and making it unsafe for any American to venture, even the police, talking about claiming America for Islam, and I’ve never heard a peep from government.

            Anyway, I know your issue was if they were Christian. I kind of doubt it. Of course, there are some groups who claim to be Christian, but are a perversion.

          • DaveH

            Kate,
            A few decades ago, I remember a couple of co-workers arguing about religion. One was Catholic, the other was Morman (a good friend of mine to this day). The Catholic told the Morman that Mormanism was a cult. I laughed, because I think they are all cults. Some just have more members than the others. I asked them if they knew what the definition of a cult is? They didn’t, so I gave them my personal definition – “any religion other than your own”.
            I don’t care what anybody believes, as long as you don’t try to force your religion on me. And that goes the other way too. I wouldn’t dream of forcing my non-religion on you.
            Vote Libertarian.

          • dan az

            christin
            I finished watching waco and all I can say is we all better be prepared for a fight against tyranny that have no bounds or morals that will even use your childrens torture against you.I remember it happening but the cover up that biden and shummer proudly display makes me want to take the fight to them.Kate8 its worth watching again to be only clear in your mind what has happened and is going to happen when it starts.

          • dan az

            To all that think government or homeland security is there to protect you I would like to say if you say that obumer is bad during a crime you will get 75 yrs in prison and thats a fact!this lady left the hospital and drove her car to a circle k to get gas and complained about the government and how bad obumer was for this country and proceeded to try and smash her car into the tanker truck that was refilling the station at the time,Shes was off her meds and got arrested by a local cop later that day two agents from homeland security came and took her away because of what she said not what she had done.She ended up with a 75 yr sentence she was 37 yrs old.Just food for thought!

          • Robert Smith

            From Christin: >>>He had his own little CULT going where he was the god and all the young girls had to have physical relations with him. Then he had them all his followers kill themselves when Democrat Reno led the attack against his compound. That’s not even close to Christianity.<<<

            That's funny. Koresh called himself a christian just like you do. Who am I to believe? I don't define christanity. They do it themselves with a history of crusades, inquisitions, and inspiring doctor killings.

            Yup, Janet Reno was a hero going in to free all those little girls from the sexual abuse that was going on. But Janet Reno's people didn't actually get in very far. Koresh torched the place and turned his followers into post chrispy critters. Sadly he didn't use the traditional stakes for the burnings but christians do have a long and sad history of cooking people.

            Rob

          • Al Sieber

            Robert Smith, you are a liar, that’s not what happened at Waco, as far as that “child molesting lesbian” Janet Reno goes she should be behind bars for life. you’re all for the Govt. killing civilians you sick….

          • DaveH

            You are pathetic, Robert. The Branch Davidians thought they were in the Armageddon and were fighting the forces of evil. Yeah, maybe they were a little loopy, but certainly no more so then the typical rabid Liberal. And, I’m not so sure they were wrong about the forces of evil part. They did not burn themselves to death. The fires were created by incendiary devices used by the Feds:
            http://www.greatdreams.com/waconews.htm

            Regardless of who you want to believe started the fires, a fact of life is that the Feds could have simply waited until David came to town and arrested him. It certainly wouldn’t have cost them nearly the amount of money and time that they spent on the seige.
            This event wasn’t about Guns or Child Molestation, it was politics by the Clinton Administration, pure and simple. And 21 children died as a result of those politics.
            Quit being the typical ignorant Liberal, Robert. Do some reading about the event from both sides and you will see clearly who were the Rabid Dogs. Especially see the film that Al mentioned.

          • Kate8

            Robert Smith – You’ve proven yourself a ‘true-believer’ in spite of yourself. You’ve bought the propaganda hook, line and sinker.

            A person can call himself a Martian, too, but that does not make it so. In your case, you are offended by being called a liberal, yet that is exactly what you are. You also display bigotry, intolerance and general nastiness. Not to mention hopeless indoctrination.

            Another interesting thing is, I remember reading some time ago in an expose’, that Janet Reno, like many of the top rung, had a particular fondness for little girls.

        • JC

          Truly a Bigot aren’t ya Smith?

    • http://www.personalliberty.com Eckie

      OH NO!! Not another ( Blame Bush?). Well even if he did, we now have a different ,so called President. Is he not able to change it? He has been able to change everything else. Including the country’s standing in the world. We are now double broke,a country of torture and Lord knows what else we are to the UN now.

    • witsend

      I don’t think any of us claim that Bush (dad and son) did not make ANY stupid decisions!

      • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

        G.W. and G.H.W. Bush are both Country Club Republicans, loosely translated as RINO, formerly called Rockefeller Republicans. They are not total Conservatives. Read my lips No New Taxes. Remember that one. And what happened after he broke his campaign promise. Raised Taxes and caused a recession.

        • DaveH

          Yep, Bush Sr. did everything in his power to do away with the few improvements that the Republicans in Congress allowed Reagan to make.

    • Craig

      Does not matter who in the past signed this pile of dung bill. It should be stopped NOW. And the idiot in charge at present is a socialism loving clown that will probably go along with it. If they try and force me out of my property. I will take great offense to that, and kill all who try to force me out. Socialists and budding communist need to die, plain and simple. They are anti every thing this country was founded on and people stand for.

    • LocalYokel

      O K, that’s cleared up . Who you gonna blame now, Tater?

  • Wolfbane

    SECEDE! SECEDE! SECEDE! SECEDE!

    • Maggie

      Amen! Amen! Amen! Amen!!!!

    • Bob

      Hooorah!! Hoorah!! Hooorah!!

  • e. nies

    Small correction. The liberals waltz down to the basement to get their free food – not buy it!!!

    • Robert Smith

      e. nies says: >>>The liberals waltz down to the basement to get their free food – not buy it!!!<<<

      Actually the REALITY in America is that food is much cheaper than most of the world.

      The sad part of that is that big business has turned it into frankenfood that has almost collectively broken the metabolism of America. And now there is big business in cutting off parts of people because of diabedes.

      Rob

      • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

        For a while there I thought no one would blame big business (to go along with blaming Bush) for SB 1619 (the topic).

      • DaveH

        They couldn’t do that, Robert, without the complicity of Big Government. I have avoided processed food for most of my life. It is still possible to do that, but people have to make the effort. If you truly want to stop Big Pharma, Big Agriculture, and Big Food Processors from limiting our choices, you are fronting for the wrong party.

        • DaveH

          Here is a sample of how they do their dirty:
          http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=6300

        • JC

          Exactly Dave…the socialists never seem to want to face that particular truth…the problem is government.

      • LocalYokel

        Would you care to infer that the same companies are trying to push legislated monopolized healthcare on you to finish out the cycle? Or are afraid of being referred to as a conspiracy nut?

        • Robert Smith

          LocalYokle asks: >>>Would you care to infer that the same companies are trying to push legislated monopolized healthcare on you to finish out the cycle?<<<

          But that's outright false. Big business wants to keep the current pay or die health are system in place. They are the ones paying the big lobbyists to keep the current "private" health care in place.

          If any changes are suggested the cry of "socialism" can be heard far and wide as the best health care system in the world is crippled by money issues and can only do as well as Cuba in infant mortality and longevity.

          Rob

          • DaveH

            You really are hopelessly Ignorant, aren’t you Robert? The Healthcare Bill mandates Healthcare Insurance. You don’t think that benefits the Healthcare Insurers’?
            And who do you think will pay for the vastly increased army of Government middlemen who will administer the law. Who do you think will pay for the vast increase of lawsuits that will inevitably result from the Law? Oh, I know, the Federal Reserve will just print more money and it won’t cost anything extra (thinking like an Ignorant Liberal).
            For those who want to learn (That excludes Ignorant Liberals):
            http://reason.org/news/printer/seven-empty-promises-obamacare

          • Robert Smith

            David H. asks: >>>You don’t think that benefits the Healthcare Insurers’?<<

            Yes, the current system benefits insurers. Quite frankly I thinik that is an error.

            What we need is true universal health care like most of the industrialized countries do, including Canada, France, and England. All three, and all other industrialized countries with universal health care, have it better than we do. Their life spans are longer and their infant mortality is less.

            I'm surprised that anyone who is pro-life would deny health care to anyone simply because they can't afford it (actually for any reason).

            Rob

    • Angel Wannabe

      e.nies__Oh, my mistake!__lol

  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    How can anyone think this is a good idea? Chris Dodd is a moron! I will not be told where I have to live!

    • slickporsche

      You will be forced to. Did you read the article? It tells how you will be forced and some of that is happening now. I think there will be an exodus out of this country, to get free from all of it.

      • Tom Mize

        “exodus” my a**! There may be an “exodus” of politicians, NOT Americans.

        • slickporsche

          Not unless there is a revolution! I am now confident that will not happen, as Americans have become very soft and dumbed down.

          • Kate8

            Our “leaders” keep telling us how it’s just a matter of time before “someone” sets off a nuke in the US and kills millions. Or, perhaps, a neutron bomb. Then, there’s always some killer bug, like anthrax, or earthquakes, fires and hurricanes, courtesy of HAARP.

            Hold on to you guns, but you may never have the chance to use them.

            Is it wise to wait until they strike first? We need to do whatever it takes to get them out before they take us out.

          • LocalYokel

            Just watch out for the lines in the dust, Slick. They ain’t there for a game of hopscotch.

          • dan az

            Kate8
            Easy girl November will be here shortly and if its not then we will be ready!

        • jm

          Right on Tom!

          The reason the Japanese didn’t attack our mainland was: They knew they would have to fight us form house to house because we ALL had arms. By their oun admission.

    • http://http/aol.com john littlefield

      they are not telling where to live too.

    • http://www.personalliberty.com Eckie

      Never say never!! I would have never thought in America we would even be having this conversation. Not in my life time. Butthen, this is true with most everything that is going on!

    • Robert Smith

      Robin says: >>>Chris Dodd is a moron!<<<

      He isn't running again either.

      Rob

  • slickporsche

    I have already had to deal with this total control [offensive word removed] in Wisconsin,and don’t think you are immune to, as it is spreading rapidly as they have already accepted part of this crap into law. It is universal zoning ordinances. The rest of it will probably be coming soon enough, because of the total control mentality in the government. I remember going into city inspections one day and everyone there had a “total control” sign on their desk. Believe it.I do not remember Bush having anything to do with this craziness, but I do know Clinton had a lot to do with it. It is more liberal Democrat [offensive word removed]. None of you want to do what is necessary to stop this madness, so we are DOOMED.

    • http://www.personalliberty.com Eckie

      Yes we do! But no one seams to know where to start! And any one that tries is put out to pastor real quick! He or they are infiltrating fast. So as to keep track of any movements! We will soon see the rest of the media taken over,and our internet or best way of contact will be so monitored. And anyone you try to talk to about this,says you are a radical or paranoid. It’s kinda like one being in a mental hospital and the more you try and act saine the crazer it makes you look!

      • slickporsche

        Exactly and it was radicals that built this country in the first place. Men with a dream, ideals,stamina, and the will to prevail.Where are those kind of men today. I am soooo very pissed off you cannot even begin to imagine to what degree. It would take very rapid and stead fast organizing, planning, and delivery. BlitzKreig

        • DaveH

          Before any such thing could occur, you would have to win the hearts and minds of the American citizen. We can’t even get most people to think and vote correctly for Freedom. How could you possibly muster enough people to take physical action?
          Save your energy for the time when you know most people are of a similar mindset but their votes are being ignored. My experience tells me that we are getting the kind of Government that most people are unwittingly voting for.

      • LocalYokel

        Eckie, when you know that you are right you can’t worry about how the zombies rate you. Just carry on.

  • Mick

    Wanda Murline says:
    September 10, 2010 at 9:26 am
    All I can say is that I own a 230 acre ranch…so I am locking and loading. Maybe this should start now…the lock and load part.
    **********************************************
    Wanda,,,I am afraid that it just may come to that, not a pretty contemplation but considering our liberty is at stake, Our Government is not giving us much choice…………..

  • Mark

    What communist bull crap. But it all makes sense coming from a socialist communist american government that we live under today. Ran by fools seeking money and power instead of being servants to the people. But I can guarantee you one thing. An 8mm round will have much more influence on local gov’t than any grant, carrot/stick it, that can be offered. Here in the country we love life, not the loss of it. Just try to run me out of my home…

    • slickporsche

      It is coming Mark. You and the rest of us can prevent it.

      • Beepster

        I have one MAJOR fear: Soetoro (Oslammer) will declare a NATIONAL EMERGENCY toward the end of October AND cancel the elections. Without the elections, we certainly won’t be in any position to do anything other than to fight them. How will he declare the emergency? Simple. Get his ACORN and Jihadists followers to start rioting in ALL the cities.

  • http://http/aol.com john littlefield

    they can take that and shove it.

    • Angel Wannabe

      john littlefield, at’s what I’m sayin’!

    • DaveH

      This is nothing new. The first I heard of forcing people out of the suburbs was when Al Gore was running for President. In fact, I can probably find an article on such. Okay, here’s one:
      http://reason.org/news/show/urbanization-trends-dont-threa

      • DaveH

        Oh, don’t worry, we are in good hands. Remember, Al Gore invented the Internet. And he can predict our climate for the next hundred years. Swoon. He’s so smart. We should willingly let father Al take good care of us.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest CORVETTEMAN

    dan az, KC & Wanda Murline . . . My wife and I concur with each of you 100%. Food, water, shelter, self protection/stockpile ammo and an escape route all planned out just in case! See you at the voting booth in November and vote all of the self serving Bastards out of office. WAKE UP AMERICA !

    • dan az

      corvetteman
      thats what it takes be prepared for anything!keep the powder dry!

  • gingerP

    The gov. already drove folks into the cities. When all those people lost their homes in the suburbs and the social services agencies weren’t there to assist them, they moved into tents or they moved into the cheap city neighborhood. I live in a predominatly black neighborhood. I was the only white on my block for years. Last year, about 300 whites moved in and many are still coming.

  • Only in America

    More hysteria!!!!!!!!!!!!

    From the be afraid and be angry people.

    • http://www.personalliberty.com Eckie

      No they are Anger y for sure, But not afraid

    • Craig

      Only in America, you are clueless and ignorant.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Only in America, you probably wouldn’t believe it, if they kicked in your door, and drug your azz out kicking and screaming. Your a fool if you think it can’t happen here. And idiots like you is partly the reason, that America is headed that direction!

      • Bob

        Angel It happens every day. People being rousted because they don’t bow down to the Gestapo in this country. How many people have been tasered and died for nothing.

    • DaveH

      Isn’t that funny, coming from the people who are wringing their hands about Homogenic Global Warming and the Healthcare Crisis? The sky is falling, the sky is falling. We need more Government Control!
      “How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don’t think” – Adolf Hitler

  • Chuck

    American Policy Center is that another nut group posing as a think tank?

  • Mark Matis

    The pigs are the enablers for this unconstitutional swill. Until they rot where they belong, expect this to continue.

    • slickporsche

      No Mark it is all of us that pay taxes that are the enablers to this runaway government.Think about it! WHat power would they have without us and our tax money? ZIP! It is us who have allowed them to hornswaggle us into thinking we are free and run the country with our vote. Our vote as you will see means very little. They are all guilty! They tell us what we want to hear and then do what they want once elected. It has been that way for a long time.

      • Mark Matis

        For slickporsche: Try not paying your taxes and see what the pigs do to you!

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    Succession; what an interesting concept and it may come to that. If the Blue and Red States formed their own countries and all the libs lived in the Blue and the Conservatives lived in the Red States. Which one do you think would prosper and which would fail ?

    • slickporsche

      Yeah really! It would not take long either.

    • Angel Wannabe

      GUNNER689, THE lIBERALS WOULD FAIL B/C, THEY’D KILL EACH GRAPPLING OVER THE LAST PENNY AND SCRAPE OF FOOD!__THE IDIOTS!

      • Christin

        Some City Liberals would flood into your conservative state like illegal aliens and take your food, water, home, job and go to your school and hospitals… sound familiar??

        • DaveH

          While I certainly don’t condone illegal entry into this country, the illegal aliens haven’t created this mess. Big Government has created the mess. Don’t let them distract you from reality with their Red Herrings.

          • Christin

            Dave H,
            While the gov left the door wide open… the illegals ran in a sovereign country, left miles of trash covered land, took jobs, are on reduced or free lunches, free hospital, free or gov subsidized housing, food stamps and WIC, force bilingual education, force celebration of Mexican holiday Cinco de Mayo, form Hate groups like La Raza, bring illnesses, drugs to addict our kids, bring crime, smuggling people (randsoms)and drugs, gang related problems… ALL PAID for BY THE TAX PAYING AMERICAN CITIZEN.

            Yes, the gov could secure the borders, change the anchor baby status, stop the freebes, change the tax code so that all people pay taxes based on consumption or flat tax (and put into the system), and deport illegals and prosecute those that are criminals…

            But the illegals didn’t have to break the laws of another nation and come… to cause a nation so much.

            There are many illegals in my area…some are very nice and work hard, others hate our American guts.

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          The Red States would have a way and the Will to deal with that problem.

        • Al Sieber

          I agree Christin, there’s probably race riots coming, especially after the movie “Machete” came out recently. I have no T.V. reception where I live, but I heard on SW radio there was riots going on in L.A., so who knows.

  • Get Smart Now

    American Policy Center has the same guy writing all the articles.

    It is a so called conservative site for rant articles.

    • Craig

      Your name is funny, seeing as how you are anywhere near smart.

  • patrick

    Hey i’m starting to like what i’m reading these days! Finally the people are getting the true picture of what we all are faced with. Yes read about how George Washington and his soldiers march across the river, many did not have boots so they wrapped their feet in canvas and rags, their feet still froze, but this small group of soldiers defeated the British in our fight for Freedom. And yes, many lost their lives defending our freedom so you and me will soon be faced with the same battle. To win back our freedom and our Constitutional rights, some of us may die during the coming revolution. Always remember, ” Give me Freedom as I will die fighting for it “.

    • slickporsche

      NOW here is someone who is talking sense, and reality.I’m guessing most of our military would be with us.

      • Mark Matis

        But what’s passed off as “Law Enforcement” WOULD NOT. In spite of their oath of office to “…preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution…” they would continue to bow and scrape before their Masters and then do whatever they’re told. Just like those pigs in Long Island arrested that man for firing an AK47 INTO THE GROUND to scare off a mob of gang members that were threatening him and his family.

  • Phone dude

    That is why I am leaving the country in within 10 years and taking my dollars with me !

    • dan az

      phone dude
      may I ask what socialist country you have chosen?

      • Dewane

        I think he has the right idea, Mexico, Iraq, Iran, and all of the rest of the B O supporting countries will soon own the U.S.A.. Ecuador is looking good. and also Jeff, you mentioned every one is putting the Islam’s down because we are painting??? the muslims as American killers? you think different? wasn’t long ago it was released Muslims goals were to kill an American and be guaranteed a place in heaven

    • Al Sieber

      Hey Phone dude, you don’t have dollars, you have Federal Reserve Notes. your money will be worthless anyways in another year.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Sorry pal, you don’t have 10 yrs., we’ll be lucky if we have 10 months.

  • fedupwidit

    Well, I gotta say, this is not surprising at all to me. I have seen good decent people leave the inner cities for the past couple of decades. They could’nt take it anymore. They wanted to live somewhere where they would feel safe. If the inner city people wanted to live like animals let them, looks like they are going to force you back in. What a country!

  • http://www.newsandopinions.net Bill Stanley

    The federal government sucks!!!!! http://www.newsandopinions.net

  • Marilyn

    What happens to the landscape/country when everyone must move into city asylums? ALL GOVERNMENT OWNED!!THAT IS WHAT! There is no sane reasoning for this SB1619. New World Order is for horror fiction books, not reality. How far does the Federal Government think they can push us around until we finally take up arms to protect what we have worked for all of our lives? Is the Federal Government that dim witted? “All city life” is simply not going to happen! This crazy President and his house of nuts have no sense at all. If this is government for the people and by the people, let us make it so before it all goes to hell in a handbasket.

    The purposes of this Act are–

    (1) to facilitate and improve the coordination of housing, community development, transportation, energy, and environmental policy in the United States;

    (2) to coordinate Federal policies and investments to promote sustainable development;

    (3) to encourage regional planning for livable communities and the adoption of sustainable development techniques, including transit-oriented development;

    (4) to provide a variety of safe, reliable transportation choices, with special emphasis on public transportation and complete streets, in order to reduce traffic congestion, greenhouse gas emissions, and dependence on foreign oil;

    (5) to provide affordable, energy-efficient, and location-efficient housing choices for people of all ages, incomes, races, and ethnicities, and to make the combined costs of housing and transportation more affordable to families;

    (6) to support, revitalize, and encourage growth in existing communities, in order to maximize the cost effectiveness of existing infrastructure and preserve undeveloped lands;

    (7) to promote economic development and competitiveness by connecting the housing and employment locations of workers, reducing traffic congestion, and providing families with access to essential services;

    (8) to preserve the environment and natural resources, including agricultural and rural land and green spaces; and

    (9) to support public health and improve quality of life for the residents of and workers in communities by promoting healthy, walkable neighborhoods, access to green space, and the mobility to pursue greater opportunities.

    [10.SO WHEN ONE GETS A VIRUS, EVERYONE GETS A VIRUS. THAT IS REALLY QUALITY OF LIFE! ACCESS TO GREEN SPACES ARE A WALK IN THE PARK OR THE THREE FEET ALLOWED AROUND THE APARTMENT COMPLEX! MOBILITY TO PURSUE GREATER OPPORTUNITIES? WHAT THE HELL IS THIS? THE ABILITY TO EASILY REMOVE THE NEIGHBORS' BELONGINGS? BETTER MOBILITY TO WALK TO THE NUT HOUSE AFTER LISTENING TO YOUR NEIGHBORS FIGHT ALL NIGHT LONG- THESE AZZES HAVE NOT THOUGHT THIS PLAN THROUGH. JUST GOES TO SHOW WHAT NIMRODS WE ENTRUST WITH OUR COUNTRY!]

    • Mick

      Marilyn says

      .SO WHEN ONE GETS A VIRUS, EVERYONE GETS A VIRUS. THAT IS REALLY QUALITY OF LIFE! ACCESS TO GREEN SPACES ARE A WALK IN THE PARK OR THE THREE FEET ALLOWED AROUND THE APARTMENT COMPLEX! MOBILITY TO PURSUE GREATER OPPORTUNITIES? WHAT THE HELL IS THIS? THE ABILITY TO EASILY REMOVE THE NEIGHBORS’ BELONGINGS? BETTER MOBILITY TO WALK TO THE NUT HOUSE AFTER LISTENING TO YOUR NEIGHBORS FIGHT ALL NIGHT LONG- THESE AZZES HAVE NOT THOUGHT THIS PLAN THROUGH. JUST GOES TO SHOW WHAT NIMRODS WE ENTRUST WITH OUR COUNTRY!]
      *****************************
      Marilyn Don’t go and fool yourself, the Liberals know exactly what they’re doing and enslaving the people to get total control is their plan and has been for many years.
      They want you to think that they’re all idiots and it’s working perfectly, I trust NONE OF THEM an always been wary of their SO CALLED COMPASSIONATE FRONT,does a wolf in sheep clothing ring a bell………???

    • Angel Wannabe

      MARILYN, YOU GO GIRL!!!

    • DaveH

      I believe that their main goal is to herd us into the cities and make the open lands mostly inaccessible except to them. They want to turn our public lands into their own private ranch-lands. That is what they tried to accomplish with Yellowstone in the wintertime. During Clinton’s term, the Liberals tried to ban snowmobiling in Yellowstone. This was a major source of income to the surrounding communities. The Greens’ excuse was that the pollution was bad due to the snowmobiles in wintertime. The surrounding communities certainly didn’t mind the smog. Snowmobiling was the source of much of their revenues in wintertime. Who objected? The Park Rangers of course. They wanted to live their idyllic lives unfettered with the responsibilities of dealing with the public.

      • Warrior

        to support, revitalize, and encourage growth in existing communities, in order to maximize the cost effectiveness of existing infrastructure and preserve undeveloped lands;

        Hmmm, preserve undeveloped land. Is that part of the 600+ million acres already under fed control or would this include possibly acquiring some more? Hmmmm?

        Well, I guess the nice highrise slums that were torn down could always be put back up.

    • Robert Smith

      Marilyn says: >>>JUST GOES TO SHOW WHAT NIMRODS WE ENTRUST WITH OUR COUNTRY!]<<<

      As opposed to the private slumlords who have exploited people for hundreds of years. Are they OK Marilyn? After all, they are private sector. Does the fact that an individual makes millions being a slumlord make it OK just because the money goes to an individual business man?

      BTW, slums aren't something projected in an effort to make things better, the are an awful reality that are pools of crime, disease, and abuses. Might you consider doing something about them before complaining about something proposed?

      Rob

      • DaveH

        You complain about Slumlords, Robert? Do those people have to rent from the dreaded Slumlords? Of course not. Many of those people, without the dreaded Slumlords would be sleeping on the streets in cardboard boxes.
        Do we have to do what the Government orders? Yes, unless we enjoy jail and fines. Do you not get the difference between Force and Voluntary Choice, Robert?
        Interesting aside: I was watching a propaganda clip from one of the MSM stations about the dreaded Slumlords. As an example they showed a filthy apartment that a lady had to live in. Although the hatchet clip didn’t say so, any intelligent viewer could see that the vast majority of the unhealthy conditions shown were created by the renter.

        • Robert Smith

          From DaveH: >>>Do we have to do what the Government orders? Yes, unless we enjoy jail and fines.<<<

          With the exception of sexual offenders who have been ordered to stay away from schools I can't imigine ANYONE going to jail for deciding where to live.

          Can you give us some examples of where the government has ever told a civilian where to live?

          Seems to me you are screeching about a non-issue, unless you are a sex offender.

          Rob

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            Bob: ever heard of an Indian reservation or the gvt. internment camps during WW2 ?

          • Robert Smith

            Get over it, Gunner. That is history and America has learned from it.

            Or do you want to put muslums on a reservation or in camps?

            Rob

    • Kate8

      Marilyn – You got it.

      Sounds like sheep in a pen, doesn’t it? So much easier to herd us, controlling every breath we take. No doubt cameras will be installed in every cubicle, so they can monitor our behavior in case someone might need an extra shot of soma or, perhaps, a mental adjustment.

      The Soviets built stacks of cubicles, and everyone was assigned their space. I’ve read books where the stories took place in this environment. No morality, no hope, no individuality – only abject poverty and misery. Just enought to keep them able to work and sustain themselves. Gee, I guess it worked so well for them…And, don’t forget, Obama received backing from the Soviets.

      I, like many of you, have spent decades working, and making my home a sanctuary, with my own hands. It’s devastating to think of being forced to leave – it’s part of me.

      I decided a while back that I will die on my land.

      We are all getting a taste of what is has been like for peoples the world over, to have no hope, no plans, no dreams of a bright future…
      Ain’t it great?

  • Viktorija

    My husband & I were just discussing this and we concluded that we’re too old to worry about a life sentence or a death sentence, so they can bring it. We’ll be ready!!

  • Gypsy

    This is nothing new. It’s been done before. First you move everyone into an area where you can control them, then you build a wall around it, then you tell them to get into this nice train car and we’ll take you to the country where you can strip off your clothes and take a shower……

    • Robert Smith

      Gypsy says: >>> then you tell them to get into this nice train car and we’ll take you to the country where you can strip off your clothes and take a shower……<<<

      Yup, and it was the Gypsy folks and then gays who were among the very first to get "showers."

      My suggestion would be that because of that historical example that you partner with gays and support their rights along with yours. Together with the common interest of rights for all you will have a better chance of avoiding such a horrible fate as a "shower."

      Or, you can go it alone.

      Rob

      • JeffH

        You’re a phony!

      • Al Sieber

        Rob Sm, where did you come up with that crap?

      • Dewane

        I think Roberts referral to a shower was actually miss worded, I believe history tells us they confined the people, then loaded them in rail road (cattle cars) and delivered them to the furnaces, which they are now denying, saying history is wrong

  • Big Ugly

    No matter what UNLAWFUL “laws” they may pass, we need to stand-up on our hind legs and “Just Say, NO!”.

    • slickporsche

      With our rifles in hand and ammo around our shoulders.

    • Christin

      NO, NO, NO!!!
      Did they hear me… did it work?

  • http://www.1stchoicewa.com Doc

    Well it is funny? Well maybe it would be if it were not so tragic. Look at everything that is happening. All at one time. Or at least it seems that way? It is almost accelerating. We used to get excited about an issue that we thought was “bad” 2-3 times a year. Hey we would rally aroung the flag Pole and try to stop it. But now there are 2-3 issues a day. We are being overwhelmed. And what is unfortunate most Americans do not see it. The Press just does not cover it. And we know why. They want all of this to happen. They “believe” in all of this. They do not see the “bad” side and they will not until it is too late.
    Glenn Beck had agreat point many months ago when he should 20 things that they are doing just in communications. Things that are taking away libery for someone. ANd they are all okay becasue this “group” is in power. Their Group is in charge. But they do not see the other side of the coin! What is their side was not in power. wouldthey be so “excited” about these things if soemone else was doing it? So he changed the names of those in power ie the Presidnet and cabinet position to Conservatives! People that are really “hated” by the Liberals and the progressive like Reagan, Dick Chaney, and Newt Gingrich amoung other names. Point! It is all okay when you “guys do IT” but turn th table and it is not okay? No it is NOT OKAY! PERIOD! We do not wnat to be told what to do by anyone. Democrat or Republican The Liberals hated Nixon and they had every right he trampled on the rules and played dirty with the “enemies list”. How soon the liberals forget that people with power can trample on the people. The battle is not over right vs left or liberal vs conservative; it is about Government and tyranny. Do not give anyone too much power. Not anyone! That is the key. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupt absolutely! But how do we get back there? Ithink we must throw both parties out! Both! And find “normal” people to run the government, instead or Mr and Mrs Prom king and quenn. But I do not think that it will happen this year. Reality Question: If the republican get elected this Novemeber will any thing change? Real no bull shit answer! Be honset! NO. You know it and I know it. It is time to bring an end to the two party system. It is not constitutional. Please think about it. Letting lose the Dogs of War is serious stuff. Not to be contemplated lightly. It is very hard to put the sword back in it’s sheath.

    • slickporsche

      Remember, the sword and the blood it lets, is the only solution and the only way out of our dilema. You need to be very realistic about this. If we are to return to our constitution, and restore our republic, it will take the sword. These people will not give in, or mover over and let some other take their place. Better to die trying,than to just let it happen.

    • Ms Independent

      Kind of you are right. These clowns are DRUNK with power, and hopefully there power is short lived. But they are doing some real dangers to our way of life. Who do they think they are anyway to decide where I live, what I eat, and who I worship? It seems like the very rules that we have that have benefited us so well are being used against us just as well. These people do not think like us who had gone about our business of living by working and doing for others so that we all have a good life. I had to go to work at 40, while raising 4 kids, and 1 with a life long problem and I did what I had to to keep a roof over our heads and food on the table and look around and see that others were worse off and do what I could for them. Starting later in life at a career doesn’t give one much of a change to save for retirement. I’ve survived working, I’ve survived teen age kids, I’ve survived cancer, and I am now trying to survive retirement on social security. HOW DARE THEY TELL ME HOW TO LIVE

      • Angel Wannabe

        MS INDEPENDENT__WELL SAID!

    • DaveH

      Good comment, Doc.

    • Warrior

      Think of it in terms of social engineering in reverse. You have to just keep voting democrats out at every opportunity. Now, if the people that take their place turn out to be closet liberals than they have to be voted out after their first term. And you just have to stay on them until the people that choose to run have finally gotten the message.

      You know, serving in the capacity as a representative of the people should be as honorable as serving in the our military. Too bad it is not viewed that way anymore.

  • http://aol Jim

    IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE ARE STRONG INDICATIONS THE TIME FOR A REAL CHANGE IS FAST APPROACHING.
    ENERYONE HAS A LIMIT. COMPARTE IT TO FILLING A GLASS OF WATER, VERY SLOWLY. COMMON SENSE WILL TELL YOU IT ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE YOU FILL IT TO THE TOP & IT THEN STARTS TO OVERFLOW.

  • James

    One ray of hope I see in all of this is the government is beginning to remind me more & more of “The Turner Diaries” everyday. Every unqualified minority person who is placed in a position of responsibility renders the government less effectual. By the time they get around to implementing these “grand” plans, they will be too stifled by ignorance to be much of a threat. Low cognitive abilities are a wonderful thing when its the other side that has them!

    • Al Sieber

      James, I read the “Turner Dairies” years ago and you’re right on, we’re heading that way fast.

    • Robert Smith

      Hey James, I remember the Turner Diaries.

      From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turner_Diaries: >>>The Turner Diaries is a novel written in 1978 by William Luther Pierce (former leader of the white Nationalist organization National Alliance) under the pseudonym “Andrew Macdonald”.[1] The Turner Diaries depicts a violent revolution in the United States which leads to the overthrow of the United States federal government, nuclear war, and, ultimately, to a race war leading to the extermination of all Jews and non-whites.[2] The book was called “explicitly racist and anti-Semitic” by The New York Times and has been labeled the “bible of the racist right” by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.[3][4]<<<

      That's an interesting place for a christian to gain insight.

      Rob

      • Al Sieber

        Robert Smith, you’re so full of $hit, the book was about taking America back after we lost our rights. go troll someplace else.

        • JeffH

          I second that comment Al, he’s a phony!

          • Al Sieber

            JeffH, you can sure spot them, this person is a “disinfo” agent(liberal). I might get a little carried away from time to time about the Govt., maybe it’s just the passion. but, Mr. Smith is full of it.

      • Robert Smith

        In a letter to a friend: >>>Those who betray or subvert the Constitution are guilty of sedition and/or treason, are domestic enemies and should and will be punished accordingly.
        It also stands to reason that anyone who sympathizes with the enemy or gives aid or comfort to said enemy is likewise guilty. I have sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic and I will. And I will because not only did I swear to, but I believe in what it stands for in every bit of my heart, soul and being.

        I know in my heart that I am right in my struggle, Steve. I have come to peace with myself, my God and my cause. Blood will flow in the streets, Steve. Good vs. Evil. Free Men vs. Socialist Wannabe Slaves. Pray it is not your blood, my friend.<<<

        Tim McVeigh

        Sounds a lot like many on this forum.

        Rob

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    The gvt. is really pushing for another civil war. First proposed gun confiscation laws now this. I think that they believe they will have the military and the police to enforce these un-Constitutional Laws. That mistaken belief would be a big mistake. Most servicemen and women and police are patriots first who hold their oath to the Consitution seriously, unlike most politicians. The gvt. assumption that these groups would enforce their illegal laws may just turn around and bite them in the ass 1 What a blood bath if they tried or brought in UN troops to try to enforce the gvt. policy. Nov. can’t get here quick enough. get the ropes ready.

    • Ms Independent

      Here Here. I am so hoping that you are not the only one who understands that we are a independent country not the subjects of the failed UN

    • Bob S

      Gunner I have news for you. There are already 400,000 foreign troops in this country.

      • JeffH

        Bob S, I’ve done some extensive research on that matter and I’d sure like to see the source of that misinformation. 400,000? Any foreign troops here in America are here for training purposes and it is doubtful that there are even 1% of your figure in the US at all.

        US Constitution, Article I, Section 8: Congress(why should we trust them) shall have Power to: Clause 15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and Repel Invasions.

        “A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves and include all men capable of bearing arms¦To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms ” – Richard Henry Lee – Letters From the Federal Farmer (1788).

        I ask, who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.” – George Mason, during Virginia’s Convention to Ratify the Constitution (1788).

        Justice Joseph Story, in his highly esteemed Commentaries on the Constitution (1833) described the militia in this manner: “The Militia is the natural defense of a free country against foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpations of power by rulers. It is against sound policy for a free people to keep up large military establishments and standing armies in time of peace, both from the enormous expenses, with which they are attended, and the facile means which they afford to ambitious and unprincipled rulers, to subvert the government, or trample the rights of the people. The right of a citizen to keep and bear arms has justly been considered the palladium of the liberties of the republic, since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers, and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them… We can see why the Articles of Confederation prescribed that ‘every State shall always keep up a well regulated and disciplined militia, sufficiently armed and accoutered, and shall provide and constantly have ready for use, in public stores, a due number of field pieces and tents, and a proper quantity of arms, ammunition and camp equipage”.

        http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes%3Bread=78837

        • Bob

          Jeff This coming Sunday go to Republic Broadcasting Network at 1 pm and listen to the Officer Jack McLamb show. He is a former Phoenix Policeman and has many friends in Washinton Intelligence. You can call in and ask him directly. Then write on Monday and tell me what you learned.

          • LocalYokel

            Jack is also familliar with the extreemes that federal agencies wil use to hide their mistakes including murder of cicilians.

          • JeffH

            Bob, I will do that.

          • Al Sieber

            Bob, I met Jack in Idaho years ago, the Phoenix P.D. tried to shut him up years ago,I listen to his show when I can.

          • Al Sieber

            JeffH, Jack McLamb also has a video called “The Sheriff”, it tells the rights the Sheriff has. it’s probably online.

          • JeffH

            Al, I tried to get an online broadcast of todays show but couldn’t.

      • DaveH

        UN troops have been ineffective almost everywhere they are deployed. I think that tactic would backfire badly on them.

        • dan az

          DaveH
          I agree its hard to believe that UN peace keepers can do much with a record that they have in running the other way when confronted by children dont ya agree? I have heard that they have there orders to section off the nation into three parts and are being trained to go house to house to collect all the weapons.The last thing I heard there were 3 million of them but that has been awhile ago. So if there is any investors out there I predict a run on door companies.there are going to be a need for new doors that replace ones with holes in them.Dont forget people pick up their guns and ammo you can use it on them later!

    • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

      Do you think that alot of people in Germany thought the same way. They turned on each other out of fear for their survival. It could happen here.

      • Claire

        Conservative at Birth–You make a good point. And what you said makes me wonder.

        • LocalYokel

          Race and class hatred stired by puppet masters will be used as triggers once again. It works to good to be ignored.

    • Robert Smith

      From Gunner: >>> First proposed gun confiscation laws now this.<<<

      Actually in the only gun issue that has come before Obama the President agreed with Bush and allowed the policy of carry laws in national parks to continue.

      I suspect that Obama will continue to respect gun rights.

      Rob

      • Al Sieber

        Robert S., don’t hold your breath.

  • Ms Independent

    I don’t go to cities. Hate the traffic, and so many people. Give me the wide open spaces. I want the good ole days back, government’s job was to protect our country, not be in my face. We knew it was a problem with the government making us wear seat belts. Remember how we objected to that? Now look what we are told to do. I like Ike I’m so mad at this idea that I could just chew nails.

    • slickporsche

      How is your aim? Are you ready willing and able to stop those that would like to enslave us?

      • Claire

        slickporsche–You didn’t ask me but I will tell you I am a good shot. My husband insisted I take lessons and I did. I am ready, willing, and able if need be. I would hate to see it come to that, but if it does it does.

        • LocalYokel

          Slick is either unsure of his own convictions and looking for support or gathering information for your enemies. Which is it slick? The Turner Diaries ” would require narcosynthesis for you before you were asked that question. KBG used it on all agents that were in service over seas. It would be followed by another more lasting injection before they became aware if they gave the wrong answer.

          • dan az

            Local
            got that funny feeling too?

  • http://Google ProudChicagoan

    I have already figured I will have to fight. And that statement came from someone who does not own a gun and has never owned a gun in 60 years of life. But, I will now. And I will learn how to use it. This really is very hard for me because I am a Christian and the idea of taking another life does not sit well with me; but, if it comes to that or denying Jesus, I will shoot!! I am just praying that in November, the more sane Americans will be in office and the voice of the people will be heard again!!

    • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

      I started purchasing firearms immediately after the election in November 2008.

      • Angel Wannabe

        CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH, so has everyone else! my husband works in a sporting goods store, they CANNOT keep ammunition or firearms on the shelves, it’s been that way for a long time.

        • Al Sieber

          Angel, where I live in Ariz.the local Walmart is always out of ammo, they told me every delivery day someone comes in and buys it all.

          • JeffH

            Al Sieber, Wal Mart has a tough time keeping their shelves stocked with ammo everywhere I think. I buy most of my 9mm locally but all of my bulk .223/5.56 is purchased online for about 30+- cents a cartrudge delivered. I’ve got plenty of 12 and 20 gauge for my target and hunting to last several years.

  • http://gmail i41

    Can you say socialist democrats, Onumnutts and his domestic terrorists in the beltway, are planning to seize all private land all over. Still trust any dirtball democrap that has been Washington for decades, or any rino. Dems are just inbred for total government control of everything. Pick any town, county, or city, check the zoning rules and see weho pushed them and promoted them, start to finish it would be a socialist democrat with a rino or 2. The marxist muslim moron mule and his thug bunch of bobble headed socialist democrats, don’t want private land owner ship which has been pushed for decades, west of the Missiouri River. Starting with a early puke Teddy Roosevelt getting worse under his cousin FDR. The muslim marxist in the WH is even more hyped up for sending us to a dictatorship than than FDR. O in A, you must be a socialist democrat Omoron supporter. If you own anything it must be a rented PO box. Your comment must mean you are another pusified doorknob that will taste test a gun barrel if agency wonk tells you it a mandate.

    • Robert Smith

      i41 claims: >>> Dems are just inbred for total government control of everything.<<<

      Actually let's see how they do with personal rights.

      The Democrats don't care what goes on in the bedrooms of consenting adults. How can one get more personal than trying to control another's reproduction?

      Democrats tend to respect personal choices in recreational some recreational drugs rather than limiting it just to the christian blood… sorry, alcohol.

      Democrats respect that folks who love each other and want to officially form a family contractural relationship (sometimes called "marriage") that they can participate in that civil relationship regardless of race or sexual orientation.

      So, do the Democrats REALLY want to control "everything?"

      Rob

      • Kate8

        Robert Smith, Good Lord, you are a moron.

        You are so utterly clueless as to be hopeless.

        It’s no use to try to reason with you as your neuropathways have been burned so deep as to be crevices.

        Peddle your idiocy elsewhere. I, for one, will be skipping your posts from now on. You are a waste of time.

        • Al Sieber

          Kate8, I second that.

          • Dewane

            Kinda looks like Roberts one of em, slipping in to see who and whats going against the powers at be.

  • James

    This carrot or stick Bill is a classical example of how the federal government exercises power it does not constitutionally possess. They offer money to the States, with federal strings attached (ropes?). The tactic obviously works very well. Federal control of state schools started with a free lunch-milk for the kids offer. Highway speed limits were effected by withholding road-repair funds. Etc., etc.

    • LocalYokel

      Would you consider it just a coincidence that Islam has used the same baited intimidation successfully for 1300 years?

  • Brat

    I cannot believe the American People are cowing down to the threats and b.s of the government….. We have always fought for our liberties, now they are being taken away with a whimper from most of the people…Is there no fight left in the United States of America.
    No one in Washington has enough cojones to confront obama on any of his lies.

  • Patriot

    We have to be patient, prepared and out Will them! Stay the course no violence unless it is absolutely necessary! Remember there are more of us then them; the Power is Truly with the People!

    • Tim Mrock

      Well said!!!! None of us want violence, but we will not give up without a fight, or death if necessary!
      November can’t come quick enough. Our greatest weapon is the Lord. He is on our side ,and I believe
      he will guide us through this mess.

    • JeffH

      Patriot, well said. They also are very aware that American households have purchased guns and ammo in record number since O’man’s triumph. That in itself has certainly slowed down their game.
      80-100,000,000 gun owners can make a diffeence in their approach.

    • DaveH

      I agree, Patriot. Violence rarely solves the problem. We were very lucky in our country to have men such as George Washington who wanted nothing to do with kingship or dictatorship. But most revolutions just trade one dictator for another. Our best course of action is to use all that energy to educate ourselve and then enlighten other people, and to get the education of our children out of the hands of the Big Government Propagandists.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Wouldn’t it be great if we all just refused to pay our taxes to the feds?

      • Robert Smith

        Hey gunner689! If what is claimed about Obama’s appointees you should be in heaven on Earth. After all, you are advocating: >>>Wouldn’t it be great if we all just refused to pay our taxes to the feds?<<<

        Well, is the claim of the tax problems around Obama true or not? If it's true you should be supporting their position.

        Or, is it just the taxes of the right wing you don't want to see paid?

        Rob

  • Donna

    The dictator in chief (the exterminator of American freedom) if allowed to continue will destroy everything we the people have ever known.
    The dictator must go!
    Is there not one group out there that will knock out this dictator and his band of camel riders!
    With so much riding on our freedoms, the people will have to act to rid the “Bum House” of the officials that destroy us. I worry that the big money (Soros) and the rest of them will buy the votes! Scare tactics may already be working on the Hill.

    • Dewane

      wont have to buy any votes, all B O has to do is declare marshal law and there will be no election

  • Bud

    I live in West by God Virginia. I am not worried as no one even knows there IS a West Virginia. Just ask the TV weather pipple, you know, the ones who stand right in front of WV on the weather map and point out what is going on in Ohio and then Pennsylvania and Maryland. So it will be with the brown shirts they’ll begin to cross our “hidden” state and nevvvver know what hit them. We all own weapons, we all know how to use our weapons and we all are willing to use our weapons. Taking us to the city would be just like killing us so we all stand by the principles of “kill or be killed”. Bring it on, I’m ready, one way or the other, alive and free or dead, there is no “other” way. Get that through your head c. dodd and I am sure that rockerfeller is following right along with his nose up obambam’s fanny.

    • Brat

      Bud, I am originally from ” Almost Heaven” and I know you are right in what you say. Wish I was there. Where I was born and raised, and too young and stupid to stay there….

  • Hank

    How many of you know the real meaning behind ‘NEW WORLD ORDER”
    The politicos from either party are connected to it.
    It means a conspiracy to rule the entire world by a handful of VERY RICH/POWERFUL families and there are about a dozen of them. The politicos are just puppets used to put it into place so as to hide the real organizers of this travesty. If we as Americans stay together and not fight against each other, these power mongers can be stopped.
    SO WAKE UP AMERICA AND SMELL THE COFFEE!!!

  • Jon

    Stock up Patriots! Now is the time – stock up! You may need it.

  • http://www.gunthorp,com Gardner Behrends

    The plan is for the worker bees to live in the honeycomb, the unnecessary will be starved out, and the unruly killed. Once they control the whole world’s resources, there won’t be a need to instigate wars amongst ourselves for their profit. Nevertheless, they need one more world war, to exhaust our fighting spitit, before the final takedown. Can you say Zion vs Islam? Our founders were as fearful of foreign entanglements as they feared the treason of feigned patriots from within. Fan the brushfires; spread the word to family and friends. Let us show our power in the voting booth, or we may be forced to prove our marksmanship in the country that once was.

  • http://nc.rr.co Margaret

    This country has been under siege since the takeover of the Left and Barack H. Obama. I’m tired of seeing our precious freedoms eroded, our constitution continoulsy under attack to delute the very freedoms it gurantees. I’m sick of America accomodating our enemies and our president constantly apologizing for the greatest country on the face of the earth for trying to promote world peace thru strength and faith. As 9-11 approaches I feel the anger rising again as we all know who was responsible for this attack and all because a religious group who called themselves Islamists and follow the teachins of the Koran as all must do to be very good Muslims and enter into heaven and the promises of the virgins and all that poppy cock! If that Mosque is allowed to be built then we will tear it down with the teachings of the Holy Bible that states that Jesus died for these very evil doers who still want to kill Jews and Christians who have been all too tolerant of their so called relgion and its time for these people to start realizing they are living in America the very nation they have vowed to destroy, and excuse me. but these people who preach tolerance are the most intolerant peoples on the face of planet earth. Their teachings of murder, violence in the name of their god, is nothing but an excuse to slaaught those they consider to be infidels unless they bow the knee to ISLAM. I say go to ^&#@!

  • http://PersonalLiberty Judge22

    First thing we got to do is make sure we vote in November and vote out the idiots that got us into this mess. Then we must defend our constitutional rights afforded each of us. Finally, we must have the resolve to follow thru whatever threatens our rights and freedoms.
    God Bless America!!!

  • http://nc.rr.co Margaret

    REMEMBER NOVEMBER!! AS ON 9-11…”LET’S ROLL AMERICA.” ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

  • http://nc.rr.co Margaret

    REMEMBER NOVEMBER!! AS ON 9-11…”LET’S ROLL AMERICA.” In the words of the Patriot Patrick Henry…”GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH.”

    • sunrise

      Amen Margaret!!! I am a single female with a 30 acre farm and 4 daughters, they’ve all been taught about the Lord, and they’ve all been taught about guns and protecting their families, and they are all being taught what’s going on. I believe all of us need to pray together for Gods protection, but I also feel like you do, they are not getting our farm without a fight, and they aren’t the only ones who have semi automatics, and you know what, the US military is our sons and daughters, and they know what kind of “so called” commander and chief they have, and not all of them are over seas. You know there are the two kinds of these liberals around us, the completely ignorant, that just want a hand out, and the college educated that are brain washed and brain dead.

  • George Irrgang

    Great article Doc! If the Republicans gain control in November the change that will hopefully ensue will be to repeal what has been enacted by this administration
    George

  • http://gmail i41

    I see the Pastor that was going to burn a few Korans, is whining he got lied to, look at Omoron , and you got lies to by a muslim.Who would of thunk! Instead of letting Islam get after the Jewish people, burn a truck load and see what, these pedophile diaper heads want to do! This roiting over in the middle east will keep going on until some serious muslim pervs get their running light extingished.

    • LocalYokel

      Rev. Terry had the pleasure of an FBI visit. Just remember that Ross Perot was made an offer that he could not refuse involving his family.

  • David

    Wow, did anyone take the time to see if this “author” knows what he is talking about? He does not, and is engaging in another anti-green rant. Please see links below:

    http://www.houstontomorrow.org/livability/story/senate-bill-would-provide-sustainable-communities-planning-grants/

    http://www.metroplanning.org/multimedia/publication/392

    For you climate change deniers out there, you might fine this site helpful. (Or maybe not)

    http://www.grist.org/article/series/skeptics/

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear David,

      Your links prove the story because I understand what the Left means with the term “sustainable communities.” You need to study the U.N.’s Agenda 21 to understand it yourself.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • DaveH

        Thank you, Bob, for providing this great website so that ordinary Freedom-Loving folks can discuss the issues.

      • dan az

        bob livingston
        thanks bob I think you became the bee keeper as to you really stirred up the hornet nest this time!Keep up the good work!

    • DaveH

      Are you still beating that tired dead horse of Global Warming, David? Unbelievable. And, David, it is Homogenic Global Warming that is the issue. Nobody denies that the Climate changes. Duh.
      Christopher Horner has several books out that expose the politics behind the Homogenic Global Warming Hoax. In fact, even though a majority of the population once believed the hoax, now the Liberals have changed “Global Warming” to “Climate Change” because too many people have now gotten wise to the politics.
      Good website for those who, like David, still haven’t been wakened to reality:
      http://climatedepot.com/

  • L.J.

    Over my dead body if that what it comes to. I REFUSE and have refused to live like vermin in a cage in any city or suburb where the government has complete control over your life. They can tell you how to keep your yard; how much water you can use; how many pets you can have, etc. etc. They can go to hell with this communist idea so they can keep “their enemies even closer.”
    Thanks for the heads up Bob, I am going to write both my senators and demand a NO vote on this bill!

    • John

      I’d rather die a Patriot than of old age or cancer any day. I’m 57 years old and can still put up a damned good fight.
      I am Hispanic, a right-wing conservative, son of a WWII veteran, ex-boxer, trained in firearms. And I’m not taking this BS!

      I live in a semi-rural community and plan on moving to Arizona to live on a few acres. I cannot wait to leave this miserable state of California.

      I’m not going to be forced to live like a rat.

      • Angel Wannabe

        John, Hear, Hear, Buddy!__I’m 54, a woman, and I was 9, when I learned to shoot a 30.0.6!__I’d never start any trouble, but defending my property is another story!

        • Angel Wannabe

          John, “Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!”

          • Claire

            Angel—I haven’t heard that terminology in years!! Good for you.

          • JLC

            Angel and Claire — That was attributed to U.S. Navy Chaplain Howell Forgy, aboard the U.S.S. New Orleans at Pearl Harbor, December 7, 1941. This is hearsay — I wasn’t there

          • Angel Wannabe

            That phrase sure as hell works today, Claire, doesn’t it?

          • Claire

            Angel—It sure as hell does!

      • DaveH

        Welcome to Arizona, John.

      • Al Sieber

        John, glad to have you as a resident.

      • dan az

        John
        Good for you its time all conservatives left in the comunist state of calif. to stand for what they believe in.You are welcomed here anytime.

  • Jess Atwell

    “Support and Defend the Constitution against all enemies, Foreign or Domestic”. As a Marine, I swore that oath to defend the Constitution. It appears to me those domestic enemies are systematically destroying our freedom. They’re called Democrats and Republicans. And, they are acting in concert with Wall Street, Big Banks, Media, Lawyers, Unions, Universities and Academia to destroy the country for their own gain. The only groups not involved now in the conspiracy are the police and our military. It’s our own fault. Americans have been conditioned to vote to keep both parties returning to power to take our freedom, land and money. November 2nd could be the opportunity to start all over again. The only question is whether voters will act like robots again?

    • JLC

      Jess — I took that oath in 1944. When I took the uniform off 4 years later, the oath stayed. I’ve seen 8 decades and a little more come and go, but the oath is still there, and I can still see well enough to put 10 in the “V” ring.

    • DaveH

      They will, Jess, but ignore them and continue thinking for yourself.

  • http://none sean moor

    There is only one,i mean ONE!! that can end all this pain.and “he” since the begining,hasnt done anything,to make things better.as a matter of fact.”He” set it up this way.for everything to fail. he has done his part in hurting us,from the start.read his precious book.These our my bitter feelings.

    • guest

      I think you are blame-shifting. As I recall, we were the ones who made the poor decisions, and continue to do so. Also, these times will be like nothing compared to a truly peaceful eternity. I have personally experienced the joy and love that is of Jesus. I have prayed and been answered. My faith is in Him.

      • sunrise

        Hey, speak for yourself, I didn’t vote this evil into office! You are 100% correct when you say nothing will be right until the one and only man who can correct it comes on the scene, Jesus! But in the mean time I will remind you that this was a country under God, and may I also try to quote alittle scripture here, “The man who does not provide for and protect his family is worse than an infidel” I am no infidel, I believe in the one true God and his Son as the only way to Him, I may turn the other cheek for myself, but watch me protect my family!!!

        • Robert Smith

          Hey sunrise… You posted: >>>You are 100% correct when you say nothing will be right until the one and only man who can correct it comes on the scene, Jesus!<<<

          Ummmmm, may I point out that it's been just about 2,000 years since the last time he was here? Humanity has gone through plagues, crusades, the dark ages, and even a nuclear war (we won that one though). What makes you think he's gonna show up anytime soon?

          Rob

  • Jo

    About Dodd’s latest bill to turn us all into city dwellers. We need to pass a bill that pays incentives to all communities that decline to provide housing for past, present and future members of Congress. Let’s just cut off all their benefits other than salaries and reelgate them to the ranks of the homeless. They want to be cruel and inhuman, the voters should pass such an amendment. Everyone lives in Fantasyland!

    • Kate8

      Jo, what we need is a Declaration commanding that the government get out, and stay out, of our lives. Period.

      I was going to say Constitutional Amendment, but they don’t follow the Constitution.

      I’m really sick of these weasels.

      I’ve been hearing that the world banks are insolvent, and about to collapse. We need to find a way to withdraw from this system altogether and form our own. And I don’t mean an electronic system, either. Somehow, we need to get these vipers off our backs.

      • dan az

        Kate8
        agreed!we should succeed and restart our nation with the vary same constitution that they dont want to follow.I would think that all of the southern states would join in and alot of the northern states too.If any that dont want to join then we boycott them.We could also send them all the illegals to help them start there NWO.

  • Lwout

    Looks like its time to start looking into joining a local militia ?
    I would like to think our own military leaders and service men and women would take a stand and deliver on thier oath to defend our Constitution and not a Goverment that is hell bent on destroying it.Those are our sons and daughters in the armed forces and i highly doubt they are willing to turn on thier own Country.
    Like many of you have said i rather go down standing than on my knees like some kind of lemming.This bill should not have even been allowed
    to go as far as it has just because it violates our Constitution and bill of Rights.

    BTW i hear Liberals make great fertilizer.

  • W M Dougas

    NOW YOU KNOW WHY I CALL THEM COMMIECRATS!
    Bill D

    • eddie47d

      How could liberals make great fertilizer with all the cow dung spread here? I think you have already cornered the market!

  • alpha-lemming

    No great surprises here… only in the flagrant attitiude with which they’re pursuing their “human wildlife refuges” or zoos (probably more accurate).

    I know most of the informed here have seen the “county by county” election return maps and they don’t change appreciably from year to year. Notice any patterns?? And we still wonder as to their motivation to make the whole country “inner city ghetto/bario”??

    Do you suppose we could get “The Sierra Club” on board and sue the progs for “conservative habitat destruction” and get entrenched as an “endangered species”?? Yeah, I know,… a crane fly or minnow would take precedent over people…. oops I mean self-sufficient, productive people.

  • arlenice

    Good to know that some are ready and/or getting ready for the govt. takeover plan.

    I may be wrong; however, maybe you shouldn’t make your plans public because you give your strategy to the enemy. Be ready for yourself and family. There are those that no matter how much you care and tell them that they need to wake up; they continue like sheep guided to the slaughter by the enemy…whether in reference to the govt. or to spirituality; just as did the jews to the nazi concentration camps.

    Everything is being looked over, and I know for a fact because often, as I am typing, without touching any delete keys; my message gets deleted. And very troubling, at another time;while I was typing, letters appeared on the middle of my blog : “I am here”… I started typing back that it was good that they are here whoever they are and hope that they learn that God is in control…and I added that I only share good information and hoped that they do read and learn. This has happened several times and that is why I suggest not to put out you plans and strategy because you’ll have them at your doorstep as they did at Waco Texas, which those who have taken time to do their research;surely know that this was a govt devish act of terror and that is the govt at work against the people; and we pay their salaries to take us down. Only God can protect us and deliver from what is to come.

  • Lovethem

    We are feeling the bite of this right now. With no debt and excellent credit and down we were given funding for an 85-acre farm but we denied by the mort. insurance company bc the claim acreages are on the decline and are wary of the property (brand new house and instant icnome from hay, how is that risky?)

    In their denial letter they stated that they forecast an upcoming recession with another housing market plummet so they are denying us bc of what they subjectively think might happen.

    We are now startin over with 3 other lenders. Everyone is trying to push us to a USDA and Fannie May etc. though we make too much money and the property is slightly over that price. Nice how they make it just beyond reach of middle-class Americans.

    Welcome to the new feudal system! I hate it!

  • Lovethem

    I forgot to mention, they said if the property were 5 acres they wouldn’t have a problem with that – it’s so obvious!

    • Christin

      In my state you have to have ten acres to be able to hunt on it or drill a water well. We found that out last year after we bought just over 11 acres in the country… whew! Wish we had more money to buy more.

  • http://PeersonalLibraryDigest Michael G.

    I’m paraphrasing and expanding this statement somewhat. “Tis better to live in a desert than in a city. I wouldn’t live in a city if you game me the place.”
    There is an old movie that has a strong statement that fits well today: “Consider yourselves already dead. That will make what you have to do much easier.” Gregory Peck in “12 O’Clock High.”

  • http://PeersonalLibraryDigest Michael G.

    I goofed one word. game should read ‘gave’. Sorry about that.

  • Grandma

    Everyone is talking about their guns—- that is why Hilary has signed on to the UN to take our guns away. And the Plot thickens. It truly is evil against good. Wake up America- We were founded on GOOD which is God!

    • Robert Smith

      Grandma says: >>> that is why Hilary has signed on to the UN to take our guns away.<<<

      Absolutely 100% FALSE. No guns will be take away from Americans because of that U.N effort.

      Rob

      • JeffH

        Hey phony. That is because no treaty Hillary could sign can trump the Constitution and the 80 million+ gun owners that they would have to face. Phony!

        • Al Sieber

          JeffH, maybe we should “boycott” this guy, he comes up with a answer for everything, that is always in favor of Obama.

          • JeffH

            Al Sieber, good idea. Boycott the Phony liberal hack!

  • Sam

    Remember Federalist Paper #28: we have the RIGHT, under the 2nd Amendment, to eject any POLITICIAN or BUREAUCRAT who usurps their office.

  • Codger

    Well it appears we are going to have to defend ourselves against our own government sooner or later and im starting to belive it will be sooner. We really need to get all like minded people to vote and throw these people out ASAP.
    If we cant do it at the ballot box then more extreme meassures may be required.If it comes down to having to defend life
    liberty and the American way im onboard. If it means putting my life on the line im onbaord. This is our country if people want to be led buy socialists like sheep fine. I’m not a follower except for God and our constitution! I will leave my property for Governemnt mandated housing right after they pry my rifle from my cold lifeless body and thats the only way. Im almost 60 and I never thought we would face our biggest threat to out liberty from within.

  • Dr. Mabuse

    Anything that Chris Dodd has put his hands on is inherently caca.
    I remind all of you the it was Dodd who killed the legislation for the Fed to be audited.

  • Bob L

    It looks very much as if there will be a second American revolution.Internecine struggle at that. How can a peoples’ elected government turn on the very citizens who put them where they are? Are these creatures even remotely human? If a politician falls in the woods, would anyone care?

  • Wally Pieper

    A perfect example of Cass Sunstein’s ideology where baby steps are taken to achieve a totally Socialistic state. He never wants to revolutionize, only, in his words, “NUDGE” the masses to where they have to go. This move to Socialism is so far down the road, I am hard pressed to see how the momentum can be altered. There is much angst in the country, but far too little actual knowledge of the game plan that has been put into place. I read every day , and do my best to stay abreast of the steps Obama and crew are taking, then report as best I can, but the resources the Left have at their disposal, and their ability to employ those resources is well beyond any one, thousand or even one million Real Americans capacity to wage an effective counter attack. Hang on folks, the ride in store for us in the next few years is going to be damn bumpy.

    Wally Pieper

  • Big T

    I have seen this comming for many years, the goal is 1 world govt. My question is under who’s leadership, puppet king Obama? This is truely on the table and part of the Obama care package that Reid and Polosi shoved down our throats in their secreat closed door meetings. Mainting a private home is going to become such a regulated burdon we will be forced to live whereever they designate.You will eventualy work where they say, shop where they say, Raise as few children as they say and probably die when they say.They will tell you when to get up and when to go to bed,what to eat and how much. It’s really time to make sure you have Arms and don’t forget amunition. Remember a rifle with out amunition is nothing but a club.

    • sunrise

      and don’t forget taking the mark of the beast as they say, or suffer the alternatives. Remember to suffer the alternatives. It’s a sad state when you have to explain to a 10 year old, look baby, if it comes down to this or this, do this, no matter what, don’t do that!

      • Robert Smith

        sunrise says: >>>It’s a sad state when you have to explain to a 10 year old, look baby, if it comes down to this or this, do this, no matter what, don’t do that!<<<

        Yup, and in one hand you have the 10 commandments and in the other eternal damnation.

        In one hand it's "don't ask questions about gays because I'll tell you what to believe," and in the other it's, "They don't get any equality even if you are one."

        And then the right will tell the kid: Don't believe anything I don't tell you to believe. I'm the expert on your religion. They do that to adults too.

        Rob

        Yup,

        • Kate8

          RS, You seem to be obsessed with the gay agenda. You must be gay.

          Gays have been around forever, so your constant rant about no being allowed to do whatever they do in the bedroom doesn’t hold water. They aren’t after equal rights. They are after preferencial rights.

          We don’t care WHAT they do, just keep it out of our faces and our schools.

          You, sir, are incredibly idiotic. You keep slinging liberal talking points with nothing to back it up. Because it is all nonsense.

          I’m sure each of you paid liberal bloggers go by several handles, and laugh all the way to the bank.

          Geez, why do I bother. Especially when I know that you can’t reason with and idiot.

          • Robert Smith

            Kate8 insists: >>> You must be gay.<<<

            Actually I'm not gay. I'm not black. I'm not a woman. I'm not an American Indian.

            But I am an American who wants equality and freedom for all. I've had freedom most of my life (One exception: I didn't consider myself free when I went into the military because of the draft) with the worst thing said to me is that I was then too young, and now too old, to be considered for some things I'd like to participate in.

            As an American I'd like to share the freedoms I've enjoyed and for those who want things free that I'm not interested in such as some recreational drugs (besides alcohol) or assisted suicide I think they should have them. I'm also pro-choice on firearms for most citizens not convicted of a violent crime.

            I don't care if someone doesn't have a helmet on as long as the state passes a law that if they get a head injury in an accident the only one liable is the person without the helmet. Same thing with seat belts. If you ain't wearing one that's ok with me. Again, you are liable for yourself for any injuries then. Kids should be protected with helmets and seat belts though. There is enough data in that skid lids and belts save lives that they should only be able to decide for themselves after they reach legal age. School buses should have seat belts.

            Rob

          • Al Sieber

            Wow, good call Kate8,that’s what’s up with all his previous, obvious remarks.

          • Kate8

            Robert S. Where you are really wrong here is that, in America, government has no business inserting itself into all the issues you state. We can be free to make choices without some law saying that we can or can’t. When you start legislating every bit of minutia, some always end up ‘more equal’ than others.

            Most things should boil down to a matter of choice and common sense. Of course, we do have liberals, so the common sense thing may not always apply. But then, that should be their own problem.

            The point is, we don’t need a Big Bro or a Big MacDaddy telling us everything we can or can’t do. Everything need not be legislated for or against.

            I guess liberals just can’t grasp that idea. When you have no moral compass, I guess you just need someone to tell you what is okay and what isn’t.

          • Robert Smith

            Kate8 declares about gays: >>>They aren’t after equal rights. They are after preferencial rights.<<<

            Really. Please tell us which rights they are asking for that would exceed your own?

            First let's do some math. Two boys and two girls. If each boy marries a girl I'll bet you have no problem with those two couples. If the boy marries the boy and the girl marries the girl it's still TWO couples. How does that make anything different? Please explain. Everyone gets to file jointly… Don't you? Hospital visits are possible and can't be denied. Would you like to see the one you love denied a visit to you in a hospital? Social Security is exactly the same for the two couples. Would you like to see your family denied anything they should get as survivors?

            Just what's different? I fail to see it. Ohhhhhhhh, it's in the bedroom, isn't it! Well, I'll bet (you don't have to tell anyone else because I thin they can figure it out) anyhow… I'll bet that when they are in the bedroom the door is closed just like I hope yours is.

            Please enlighten us. What is different? Two couples and two couples.

            Rob

          • Kate8

            RS, There you go with your gay obsession again.

            Where do they want preferencial rights? How about hate crimes legislation, or “through crimes”. Even though it’s already a crime to harm someone, they want EXTRA punishment because they’re special.

            How about ramming the gay agenda into our school kids? Doesn’t matter what their parents think, they kids get the joys of sexual diversity drummed into their vulnerable heads.

            Marriage? Well, that’s a religious institution for the purpose of the begetting children. It is, by definition, the union of opposites. Now, gays can live together, they can even “tie the knot” in some kind of ceremony, but it will never be “marriage”. BTW, the government has no place inserting itself in marriage, either. And, personally, I don’t care what gays do as long as they don’t try to force themselves on me or my family.

            All that nonsense about gays not being able to visit in the hospital and all that is just propaganda, too. They have all the same rights as anyone else, and then some. They are in every walk of life, including high office, so I don’t see how they can cry about discrimination.

            And it’s not enough for them to be accepted in society. They want to be embraced, celebrated, elevated. They want to force their lifestyle on Christians and anyone else who sees it as immoral, which is depriving Christians of a right to their beliefs, and denying them authority over their children.

            Answering you is a colossal waste of time, Robert, because you are so locked into your liberally indoctrinated mindset that you won’t see things any other way. You just keep throwing out whatever tripe you can think of to see if anything will stick. Well, it won’t. At least, not here.

            Have a nice day.

          • Robert Smith

            Let’s go!

            I asked: Where do they (gays) want preferencial rights?

            Responded: >>>How about hate crimes legislation, or “through crimes”. Even though it’s already a crime to harm someone, they want EXTRA punishment because they’re special.<<>>How about ramming the gay agenda into our school kids?<<>> Doesn’t matter what their parents think, they kids get the joys of sexual diversity drummed into their vulnerable heads.<<>>Marriage? Well, that’s a religious institution for the purpose of the begetting children.<<>>…but it will never be “marriage”.<<>>BTW, the government has no place inserting itself in marriage, either.<<>>And, personally, I don’t care what gays do as long as they don’t try to force themselves on me or my family.<<>>All that nonsense about gays not being able to visit in the hospital and all that is just propaganda, too.<<>>They have all the same rights as anyone else, and then some. They are in every walk of life, including high office,<<>> so I don’t see how they can cry about discrimination.<<>>and it’s not enough for them to be accepted in society. They want to be embraced, celebrated, elevated.<<>>They want to force their lifestyle on Christians…<<>> and anyone else who sees it as immoral, which is depriving Christians of a right to their beliefs, and denying them authority over their children.<<>>Answering you is a colossal waste of time,…<<>>Robert, because you are so locked into your liberally indoctrinated mindset…<<<
            .
            Shucks there you really go again because I've explained this several times before. I'm old enough to be a Goldwater Republican. It's too bad the party got hijacke

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          If you are, as you say, an American Indian, you above all should be wary of an overbearing federal gvt. Unless you’re some poor subjugated reservation dweller whose whole life depends on the largess of gvt, freedom and independence should flow through your veins. As to those other groups you champion, ie: gays, they already have the same rights as anyone else and in many cases get preferential treatment. You should spend a little time staring into the mirror and do some soul searching about who you really are.

          • Robert Smith

            Hey gunner689, you’ve gotten it wront again: >>>If you are, as you say, an American Indian, you above all should be wary of an overbearing federal gvt.<<<

            If you look at my post is said I was NOT an American Indian. Nor am I black, a woman, etc.

            My point was that I stand for freedoms for ALL, regardless of their gender, race, etc.

            Please read and try to get it correct next time.

            Rob

          • Kate8

            Robert Smith – You say you are for freedom for all but, from what I’ve seen, what you are for is bigger adn BIGGER government.

            Government intrusion NEVER brings about freedom. History will attest to that.

            Only the cooperation of a good and moral people brings about freedom. That is why the first step tyrants take in the process of enslavement is to corrupt the moral fiber of a people. This allows THEM to pass more and more laws to “control” the lawless.

            Of course, it doesn’t work. You can’t have evil, corrupt people in power and expect to have them govern righteously. Government is always a reflection of the level of corruption among the people, and vice versa.

          • Robert Smith

            Kate8 says: >>>Government intrusion NEVER brings about freedom.<<<

            Wish you could have gotten that message to Bush before Iraq.

            Rob

          • Kate8

            That’s it, Robert Smith. I’ve had enough of your stupidity and agitating.

            I will not be responding to your posts any longer. You aren’t interested in discussion. You only want to be a smart-a** and a jerk.

  • c

    I will be jailed or live in a teepee, before they shove me into a city type community. These socialist didn’t seem to mention the health concern for this type of close quarter accommodations. I am in a rural, farm area, where I choose to stay, as an American. I am tired of our officials causing the demise of our traditional way of life, markets, and businesses…etc. All to push a social reconstruction agenda! Definatly, vote them out. I would prefer some criminal charges and impeaches taking place, for the treason, misdeception, and lyes (distort there of) upon our Constitution and on the free will of the people. May God Bless the USA! I hope our local leaders have a strong backbone and realize we don’t need “free” anything, just our freedom!

    • Robert Smith

      c says: >>> I am tired of our officials causing the demise of our traditional way of life, markets, and businesses…etc.<<<

      It wasn't government that destroyed family farms. It was BIG BUSINESS that did it to create the frankenfoods that fill store shellves. They are making huge money (that you clearly don't want to tax) killing the rural way of life and killing Americans with bad food.

      You are clearly whining about the wrong cause. America need to recognize the value of individual business men (farmers) rather than allow corporations to feed America.

      Rob

      • Kate8

        RS, You mean companies like Monsanto, who are backed and blessed by big government? Who receive money to develop their frankenfoods? Who occupy positions within the FDA? Who take their orders from the WHO?

        Do you really not understand that big corporations and government are one and the same? That, in fact, corporations control government?

        As usual, you defenders of socialism have no clue what is really going on. You accept what your “leaders” tell you and look no further. They, themselves, call you “useful idiots”.

        You cannot have a conversation with a ‘true believer’, because he is unable to see truth even when it is laid out before him irrefutable evidence.

        And that, Mr. Smith, would be YOU.

        • Robert Smith

          Kate8 says: >>>Do you really not understand that big corporations and government are one and the same? That, in fact, corporations control government?<<<

          And the media. There ain't no such thing as "liberal media." There are a few token individuals but it's big business now. And in addition to stock holders they are accountable to the government through the FCC.

          Rob

        • Robert Smith

          From Kate8: >>>You cannot have a conversation with a ‘true believer’, because he is unable to see truth even when it is laid out before him irrefutable evidence.<<<

          ROFL… I honestly believe you have no idea what a "true believer" is. That's OK because your ignorance is cureable. Please get Eric Hoffer's book "True Believer." It's in most libraries and on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/True-Believer-Thoughts-Nature-Movements/dp/0060916125

          Quite frankly I think the term "true believer" applies more to those around here who are into name-calling and threats than any actual discussion of issues. Your mileage may vary.

          Rob

          • Kate8

            Robert Smith – one thing I agree with is that the media is also part of the corporatist state.

            A true believer is anyone who turns over their brains to an ideology, closes their mind, and rejects any other ideas out of hand. It could be anything. Including liberalism.

            Good grief.

          • Kate8

            What, Robert S. No smart-a** comeback to that one?

          • Robert Smith

            Sure kate8… How’s ‘but you look at some of the conservative replies and name calling directed at me and apply them to yourself.

            BTW, ignorance is cureable. Apparently neo-cons aren’t.

            Rob

          • JeffH

            Robert Smith has an incurable disease called a phony liberalized hack.

      • Dewane

        I don’t understand why people are arguing with Robert, its very plain to see he’s been placed here by his controller, same as B O was placed in as president by his controller. ignore him, he wont go away, but if ignored he cant do his job, if he cant accomplish what he was sent to do then maybe he will be reprimanded by his superiors

  • eddie47d

    What mass hysteria and fear in almost every comment. Paranoia rules your thoughts and not a one of you actually debated whether any of this article was true or not. You all assumed it was true and flipped out from there.No one is “running you out of your home”. People have been living in cities since the beginning of time and you act like this is a new issue. I live near a big city and I think it’s the suburbs that are more into these new city centers. They all have condos with store fronts below. They are everywhere and in every burb. Even the big cities are doing it and with plenty of parking garages. People living in these areas made their own decisions and seem quite satisfied with the arrangements. Hardly a government conspiracy to control them. One commentator said “give me liberty or give me death” No one is dying in these town centers and no ones’ liberty is being infringed upon. Back in the late 50′s you could pick up a copy of popular science or popular mechanics and the cities of the future would always be there. So people are always trying to improve how we live and in many cases they have done an excellent job.So what is so far fetched about all this. Governments at all levels have planned highways,housing, factories,Museums, commercial districts,ect.) There are some cities that still have deteriorating areas with odd streets and highways everywhere. I would like to see a better plan implemented to get through some of these places. A well planned city is a plus and not a negative and can only do more to benefit those that do live there. I have been in all 50 States and numerous cities. Urban renewal is nothing new and most cities prosper because of it. So this 1619 is hardly worth all this fearmongering. There will always be suburbs and farm communities and isn’t it nice that someone in Washington is thinking ahead to keep our nation prosperous and our cities livable. American Policy Centers 6 points weren’t very accurate either. These new condos and even some older apartment units save energy not waste energy. Most Americans shouldn’t be to keen on plowing up more farmland to built farther out. Now that’s a waste of energy and good farmland and will drive up the cost of gas.

    • http://ahalbert@smart-technology.net Allan Halbert

      Hopefully, most Americans will not buy this rationale, and will continue to feel that they can live and work where they want in our FREE country.

      If everyone had lived in cities in 1776, we would not have an America today to be concerned about. It was outside of cities that the British were undone.

      Disease, armies, nuclear weapons, crime…all have greater impact if society is reengineered and population is centralized. Not to mention the loss of basic survival skills.

      In the utopian theater of the absurd, eventually no one would know how to build a fire, grow food, etc. as we devolve into the new species enviromagnan man.

      For those who read “the other side” to stay informed, there is a book titled Imagine, edited by a Berkley-ite named Marianne Williamson. It is one of the most disturbing books I’ve read — a collection of short essays on every phase of how the “new society” will work — from religion, art, and sex, to education, law, the economy, and government.

    • JeffH

      fast eddie, you’re one of the last persons anyone would believe around here. Your head is buried so deep in the sand you’re looking at China.
      Some day you’ll wake up and wonder “how did all of this pass me by”? Then again, probably not..It would be the nasty conservative Republicans fault.

      • eddie47d

        Since you didn’t answer a single point I made or even comment on the falsehoods in the main topic doesn’t bode well for you. You are worse than a sheeple and can only grapple with pre-printed forms you download from the internet. Learn to think for yourself Jeff and have a nice evening.

        • JeffH

          fast eddie, you’ve certainly shown how you think for yourself…like a puddle of water…very shallow. You’re certainly a prime example of how my copy and pastes skills constantly refute the liberal mis-information so often used by you guys and gals around here. At least I give credit to the link. You’ve been called out so many times and you still don’t and won’t ever answer the call to reference your sources of mis-information.
          No wonder the only one that believes you is the coal miner.

          • sunrise

            Yeah Eddie, I think I’ll stick my head up my *** like you and see if the view looks any better. lalala, everythings just peachy, let me use my last brain cell to lift the glass to drink the koolaid, I mean flouridated water…

    • DaveH

      What a bunch of wasted verbage, Eddie. Of course we would all like to live where we are happiest. For many, it is the city. For others (myself included) it is the country. That isn’t the issue. We’re talking about Free Choice, Eddie. And this isn’t just a made-up issue unless Al Gore is just a figment of our imagination. Al and other Greens have been speaking about the dangers of Urban Sprawl for many years. You just need to wake up and smell the coffee. They aren’t going to be totally up-front with their real intentions, because they know the people wouldn’t stand for it. Just as Clinton used to beat around the bush when he would speak about suspending Constitutional Rights. He didn’t come right out and say he wanted to ban guns as he knew the people wouldn’t accept that. So, instead, he would use Liberal Doublespeak which only his cohorts could understand.
      The real irony here is that the people that are pushing hardest to reduce unbanization don’t even follow their own advice:
      http://reason.com/blog/2007/02/26/al-gore-power-hungry

      • eddie47d

        Dave, We could go toe to toe with wasted verbage. You can live anywhere you want and nobodies stopping you. Not even with 1619. You just like to raise hell and play king of the hill; when you are not always right. I think George Bush beat around the bush plenty.Opps! I forgot, you’re so politically correct on the right that you try to only bash Democrats or liberals. Besides urban sprawl or suburban sprawl is a huge issue in most communities. Even for those who escape the city life to live in suburbia.

        • JeffH

          “Besides urban sprawl or suburban sprawl is a huge issue in most communities” – that is a falshood

          Funny, the only time I hear that it is an issue is from some liberal hack, never an issue in the news around the communities I’ve lived in and I lived in the SF Bay Area for 58 years. I certainly haven’t heard it as a problem in central California which is spread out far and wide. Hmmm, is somebody is tryin to fool us again?

        • dan az

          Fast eddie
          It just wouldnt be right for me not to put my two cents in.You remind me of a uncle I once had,If I said it was daytime he would say it was night time no matter what I would say he was always the opposite.whether he believed it or not I know you think your a libertairian and not a liberal but you have yet to prove it to us.So why not try and convince us that you are what you say you are?

        • DaveH

          There you go, Eddie, with more of your misinformation (typical for Eddie). I bash anybody who deserves bashing. If I don’t bash somebody it’s because they either are saying things I agree with, or they are saying things I don’t agree with in a polite respectful manner.
          Liberals do both. They say things I don’t agree with and they say them in a disrespectful manner. So, I bash the deserving Creeps.
          If you catch me bashing a commenter that is being polite, let me know. I will try to change.

          • eddie47d

            Dave, Name one thing that I said that was wrong. It’s easy to say someone is wrong and then go on to the next comment and say the same thing. I knew Jeff wouldn’t answer and only be a smart ass but I know you have more moxey on some issues. What specific rights are you loosing? You really think you will be forced to move from where ever you live? I really doubt it and that is why I am asking.

          • JeffH

            fast eddie, do you just bounce off the walls and then speak? One moment you are chastising DaveH, calling him a “puppet master”, and the next moment you’re begging for his understanding.

            You are one very confused human being…!

          • DaveH

            Eddie,
            I was responding to your remark “I forgot, you’re so politically correct on the right that you try to only bash Democrats or liberals”. That is the misinformation. As far as your views on cities, I don’t care what you think, just don’t try to force it on me or others.
            Read my later comments for more on my thoughts about the subject of the article.

        • JeffH

          fast eddie? Did you even read my response? No!

          Why don’t you tell all of us how urban sprawl and suburban sprawl mean the same thing. You said urban sprawl OR suburban sprawl are big problems. Personally, I think it is the “urban sprawl” between your ears that causes your problems.

          I know they are different but apparently you don’t.

          • eddie47d

            I haven’t seen one comment from you that isn’t an insult so I’ll try and overlook you’re deficiencies. We have suburban sprawl all around us and it is a huge issue. There was a ballot issue considered to stop all new growth in 2006. We were to vote on it in Nov. 2007. The economy started to tank and it was written off because of other pressing issues. City planners couldn’t keep up with the lack of zoning laws and new infrastructure that was going in. They had roads going every which way from new housing developments with out much thought how they would connect from one suburban city to another. Some major roads would dead end in a residential community creating more problems. So much for allowing private developers to do as they please. Once again the local,state and federal government had to step in and set up a better plan.

          • JeffH

            fast eddie, I think I’ll believe FOX Libertarian John Stossel’s version over your propagandized version.

            “He took on the topic of suburban sprawl with his typical gusto, and for some reason it is just making the rounds on the blogosphere. In the text version – dated May 9, 2006—of what was apparently a 20/20 segment titled “Myths, Lies, and Nasty Behavior” he put “Urban Sprawl Is Ruining America” down as a “myth.” “Suburban sprawl is evil,” he wrote, assuming the voice of someone not as sharp or grammatically adept as he is, “The unplanned growth, cookie cutter developments is [sic] gobbling up all the space and ruining America. Right? Wrong.” He goes on to create a straw man version of the anti-sprawl argument: that critics of sprawl are primarily upset about an impending loss of open space. This he handily defeats by pointing out that 95 percent of the United States is completely undeveloped.

            That is 95% of the US is completely underdeveloped!

          • eddie47d

            Farmland would be considered developed land since it is being used for a specific purpose and there are millions of acres of that. You can’t build housing developements on on many mountain ranges. There is not enough water resources to irrigate arid or desert area anymore.We still need millions of acres of forests for lumber and wildlife and even recreation. That doesn’t leave much so that 95% is extremely mote.

          • JeffH

            Baaa, Baaa, Baaa!

          • eddie47d

            Okay Jeff Where’s the beef? Instead of your usual sheeple Baa Baa Baa

          • JeffH

            fast eddie, you being a member of the sheeple class, should well understand what the “baaa, baaa, baaa” stands for…run to your spot at the government trough…don’t want to miss your meal do you?

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Good. You move to the inner city and let us know how that works out for you. Popular Mech. didn’t factor in the savage criminal element that has destroyed most of our cities.

  • Art nelson

    What goes around comes around.

    We have people in government that swore an oath to uphold the constitution.

    They have no intention of doing it.

    Yes they will gather control and power over the masses and continue to tear down the very thing that made this country the greatest nation on the earth. Some of them continue to say they are cristians while breaking every cristian teaching that is before us. In the Bible there was another who did the same thing in heaven before any humans were placed on the earth. He and his followers were cast out and that will be the same for these today who continue to rip away our freedoms. Remember Eternity is a long time to sacrafice for a little power while here in mortality.

    • sunrise

      good point! Every knee will bow! What short time we have to suffer here won’t be anything compared to how these will suffer, they make us mad, because they are threatening us, but in reality, it is them who will be suffering the worst, we should feel sorry for them, and I do, but I’ll still be protecting my babies!

  • Gramps

    eddie we don’t need the government intervening into our lives, period. One other comment, the last consideration Christopher Dodd would have if indeed he had the capacity to think, would be to “keep our nation prosperous and our cities livable”. SB1619 is by all means is an attempt at social engineering.

    Ps. you are in left field concerning “will drive up the cost of gas”.

    • eddie47d

      That’s already been proven gramps. Longer driving times equals more gas usuage. More farmland disappearing means higher gas costs as food is trucked in farther. Bigger homes in all new suburbs are more energy efficient.Yet they still use more energy than urban or suburban condos. No one is telling anyone they can’t live in the mountains or on the prairies; but most transportation lanes lead through the big cities and it makes more sense to improve the areas where most people live.

      • dan az

        eddie
        once again you are wrong!I live fifty miles from a city and it takes thirty five minutes to get there.When I lived in calif. I lived in the city and to get to work which was only 15 miles it took an hour to get there. with more people put into the picture that would only double the time.Logic and common sense.

  • http://cfoster@netptc.net Chloe

    There is nothing wrong with living in the city but when the coming depression really hits or a man made disaster or otherwise, I perfer to live where I can be self-efficient and removed from the masses. I figure it is my families only chance of survial and the social planners attempts to misdirect me with their so-called good intentions is scarey. There are always unintended consequence that the liberal mind can not comprehend as they are ruled by their emotions. That is why things turn out so badly. After a while you get to thinking that that was their plan in the first place because you just can’t believe they are that stupid.

    • DaveH

      We need to separate the Liberal Leaders from the Liberal Masses in our discussion. I believe the Liberal Leaders know exactly what they are doing. The Liberal Masses are just ignorant.

      • JeffH

        Man-o man, truer words have not been spoken.

        • eddie47d

          Jeff must be the puppet and Dave the puppet master.The sheeples of fear have already gone of the cliff.You better hurry and join them.

          • JeffH

            DaveH…and this is a great example of the liberal masses.

          • sunrise

            ah yes, but is he one of the ignorant, I just want a free ride, and don’t have a clue about the rest of this masses, or one of the college educated, think I know what I’m talking about because I have been brainwashed so well masses. I believe since we are on here we must be talking to the second kind, and they are far worse for some reason, I guess because they think they’re so smart, and they don’t have a clue that they are living in a matrix.

          • DaveH

            Eddie,
            Jeff is no puppet. He does an excellent job of thinking for himself. You should try that.

          • eddie47d

            Jeff, I’m waiting for you to start the process.(thinking)!

          • JeffH

            fast eddie, I’m sure you’ll be waiting til the cows come out.
            Think about it?

  • http://gmail i41

    Best thing to do is send truck loads of people to the reservation. The land needs some train loads of garbage pick up. Since it is just non productive and is costing taxpayers money use it. The new ground isn’t being farmed. Taxpayers have been paying for decades, so farmground lays idle and produces nothing but costs, while owners collect millions. Last year taxpayers paid out over 13 billion with one program to 262,000 owners for doing not a damn thing, even reservation get CRP money and we know that ground lay idle, has for decades even longer. Now the government is trying for more productive land under their control with new decades sign ups. Everytime you senic beauty wilderness area idoits and parks wonks, as of right now there is so many parks, the government cann’t take care of them and do not have the funds. Sell it off and get the land on to the tax rolls. eddee, just go back to your free rez land and no there will not be plenty of farmland, your slope eared jackass muslim is hoping to grab all private farm gound or just private land period. Rught now if I farm I can not sell grain on the open market with out Agriculture and Soil Conservattion Service Office for paper work approval. Most of the idoits are city wonks and air headed appointed dinks. This gained strength in the first 2 years of Whorehound Clintons regein. Every ag person Onumnutts has some of puke radicals creating some impedements, for food production and commerce. We know the blue helmets are out here in the heartland. In NE Wyo there is several large groups of Russian and other “observers” in a compound sealed way back in the Black Hills. Just 75 miles from Ellsworth Air Base in Rapid City S.D. The few ranchers have seen vans come and go at all hours and head right to Denver. So eddee as a ward of the government for generations, enjoy your peyote buttons and get stupid on Bear Butte, it will all come to a screeching halt. Also the tighter you crowd people to control vermin and disease, no long hair or layers of ornaments. I also have lived over most states and either worked as an supervisior or contract worker, and ever pipe dream a government jackass dreams up it never works and alway way over cost, the more agency the more waste, down time and loss of productivity. Ever time we got a PHD to come out theorize on paper we knew he was perfectly happy and dumb. Just like all of the beltway and especially Onumnutts!

  • Meager Loss

    You have all been chipped too. At least once, maybe several times. You will be monitored like fattening hogs.

  • http://dmorrison026@sbcglobal.net Dale Morrison

    THIS SUX… I CANNOT BELIEVE G.W. BUSH SIGNED OFF OF THIS INANE
    MORONIC PROGRAM. SOUNDS LIKE A “LET’S BLAME G.W. BUSH PROGRAM”.

    AGAIN… THIS SUX BIG TIME.

  • Viktor Leben

    I Don’t understand why they would want to put the population into the cities. It would be unsustainable ! The best plan is place families from the cities into small farms, somewhere from 15 acres to 50 acres. On this tract of land a family could produce their own electricity using solar cells. They could also grow their own food.

    The opposite should be done ! The Federal government should encourage the citizenry to move OUT of the cities and into the RURAL outlying areas ! They should be promoting depopulating THE CITIES, and sending the citizenry back to the farm !

    Cities, in the new economy, are not sustainable. If I had 15 acres of land, I could place a solar cel farm on half and acre, put a windmill up and plant a prety good size vegetable garden !

    How the hell are you going to survive in the city ? Especially with oil prices going up ? Where are you going to plug your new electric car into for it to recharge ?

    A small family farm is the best answer, the Federal gov’t is getting it all wrong !!!! There is still plent of land in the USA !!!

    • Meager Loss

      Viktor, I thought all of Pol Pot’s gang was dead. I see that you think all of the land suitable for farming will supply each family of even 4 with five acres. Not true. Divide the US arable land acres by the number of families, a family can be as low one or two people. Less than an acre per person. Modern agriculture is a miracle.

      Think these ideas over a bit or just make mindless comments which is my preference in these venues anyway.

      You have all been chipped. We are tracking you if you are worthy of the effort.

      • Viktor Leben

        Meager,

        I’m not talking about a “Pol Pot” scenario ! These small farms will replace the suburban/rural housing development. You would still have your house – it would probably be larger ! Your power needs would be decentralized – you wouldn’t have to rely on central utilities.

        You would still have your supermarkets, shopping malls etc…

        The future of suburban/rural developments, where you put a house on a 1/4 acre of land is just almost as bas as living in th cities. Trends are leading to decentralization, suburbia and the cities will decay… the rural areas wil thrive….

        ARABLE LAND !! HA HA HA HA ! ARE YOU JOKING !!!! HA HA HA HA There is plenty of farmable land in the USA !! GOOD JOKE MEAGER ! YOU HAD ME GOING THEIR !! I take things to seriously !!!

        The Federal Government just wants more control … they are going against the trend !!! Legislate all you want Washington DC !! It just won’t work !!!

        • eddie47d

          There are few small farms left to live on and even 1/4 acre of land is rather expensive. Corporations have bought up most of America and control the way you live. You think they will sell their land to individuals and charge a fair price.. .I really doubt it and you blame everything on the government! Is it that one sided window you are looking through? De-centralized power always costs more than centralized.The longer route that power has to travel the more costly and less efficient.

          • Viktor Leben

            Eddie,

            Mass Production will lower the price for decentralized energy. Plus the technology will get better …

          • eddie47d

            That could eventually be true but for now and in the near future rather remote. I believe in solar and wind power but that will also take many more years to be useful for most power grids.

      • dan az

        meager mind
        You are a city dweller and have no Idea what you are talking about! I have lived off the land comfortably for 16 yrs and off the grid why dont you blow smoke up someone else azz because its not going happen here!

    • Meager Loss

      Viktor, I thought all of Pol Pot’s gang was dead. I see that you think all of the land suitable for farming will supply each family of even 4 with five acres. Not true. Divide the US arable land acres by the number of families, a family can be as low one or two people. Less than an acre per person. Modern agriculture is a miracle.

      Think these ideas over a bit or just make mindless comments which is my preference in these venues anyway.

      You have all been GPS logged. We are tracking you if you are worthy of the effort.

      • Viktor Leben

        Meager,

        If you go to the outskirts of Oklahoma City you will see what I’m talking about !! You have 10 acres or more plots of land with houses on them. Some of the residents have pigs and vegetable gardens. They get satellite TV and Intenet access like everyone else. Your doing OK Oklahoma !!!!!! That’s the future, not some dumbass hi-rise in a crime ridden city …

      • DaveH

        The only mindless person I see here is you, Meager Loss.
        According to Wikipedia there are about 1,665,976 square miles of arable land in North America. That converts to over 1 Billion Acres of arable land. There are about 350 million people in North America. So, that gives us 3.2 acres per person or about 13 acres per family of 4.
        That figure is pretty close to that which Viktor stated.

        • Viktor Leben

          DaveH,

          DOn’t forget what the Israelis did, they reclaimed parts of the desert for farming … we could reclaim parts of our non-arable land.

          Could you picture it in your mind ? Some people would have a horse as well as an electric car. The village “blacksmith” would return, micro fabrication manufacturing ! You get a sense of what they would be like when you watch “Orange County Choppers” on TV. Say good bye to Chinese imports …

          When the government is finally under control, how about unlocking the enormous potential of the Great Lakes to supply water to America’s Southwest ?? That would probably double arable land area ….

          • DaveH

            When people put their heads together in voluntary contracts and choices they can accomplish tremendous things. Government stands in the way of that because happy people would demand much less Government.

    • Kate8

      The plan is to reduce the population, concentrate who is left in dense housing close to a railway, eiminate cars, make most of the land outside the cities off-limits to the worker class, and the rest is to be wilderness to be enjoyed only by the elite.

      They consider the Earth their private property, and the people are nothing more than slaves to be exploited by them. They want it all.

      • eddie47d

        What a pile of manure! Obviously you don’t enjoy the wilderness or even understand the importance of these tracks of land. You probably don’t like city parks or State parks or open space or even farmland. You sure you aren’t working for some developer who wants to build on every acre of land they can get their hands on? How much quality of life is destroyed for someone else when all this open space shrinks to nothing. I’ve seen plenty of urban and rural sprawl. I see alot more “elites” living on the “outside” of cities. They drive through the cities,work in the cities and use lots of city services.Yet take no responsibility for the added tax burden they leave behind,(road and bridge repairs,ect,)Then they arrogantly go back to their far flung houses and thinks every thing is hunky Dorey. That is your elites -Talk about taking and not giving back. I doubt if you care one iota about any working class family that lives in the city.

        • Kate8

          eddie, I’ve lived my whole life in a National Forest, surrounded by vast amounts of wilderness land. No one understands the value of this land, nor loves it, more than me.

          I also know that Obama just signed a land grab claiming nearly ALL the beautiful land in the western US, including most of California (and including the area where I live as federal property. Yet another step in implementing this horrendous agenda 21.

          No, I’ve never been in real estate, and it has broken my heart to see my beautiful town being bought up by developers and turned into just another overpopulated California draw for all manner of bloodsuckers. At the same time, local government has become more pro-fed and less caring of its citizenry.

          You keep your head well out of the sun, so I won’t bother to go on. Suffice it to say that you are just another clueless, leftist-paid blogger who can’t see the forest for the trees.

          • JeffH

            Kate8, I know what area of California you live in and it’s beautiful and historic. Unfortunately fast eddie hasn’t a clue about anybody or anything except his pre-programmed perceptions that he, his Marxist POTUS and no one else, cares about anything or anybody.

            As I’ve said so many times before, “stupid is as stupid does”.

          • eddie47d

            Oh Please Jeff, What poppycock! National Forests are a treasure and we the people own them. I’m thrilled we have a government that recognizes their value for enjoyment and some other purposes. I certainly don’t want private developers using and abusing these National parks and State Parks. They are constantly negotiating for land around these Parks and sometimes in the Parks themselves.That is the threat to our way of life and our resources. I personally would like to see more open spaces for my grandchildren and whoever comes after me.

          • eddie47d

            Kate; At least the Democrats are always trying to protect these National Parks and keep developers at bay. The Republicans are always defunding services to these Parks and seldom vote for there safekeeping. You seem to loath these developers also. So why are you accusing me of being a left wing blogger. These developers are the ones who look at the Earth as their private property. If they have their way there won’t be much left. Since Jeff came to your “defence” with his usual name calling about everyone being a marxist or nazi or being stupid. I will work hard as I always have to protect our beautiful country and it’s resources and to leave a better country for all. I have no respect for the way Russia or China treats it’s environment and they are marxist so I have no clue what Jeff is talking bout.

          • JeffH

            fast eddie, it’s only natural that you have no clue to anything.
            You say Russia and China are Marxist countries.
            I rest my case!

          • Kate8

            eddie, protecting our forests is not a liberal cause. It has nothing to do with political bent.

            Until a few years ago when the libs started pouring in, this had always been the most conservative county in the state. The developers and real estate people are primarily LIBERALS/PROGRESSIVES. I know this, because I have many friends in the business. You almost have to be to stand it, because the rules and regs are all set by our progressive legislature.

            In fact, my daughter works for a developer. A FLAMING LIBERAL. It would be safe to say that I know only ONE conservative real estate agent, and he is in his 70s.

            Not to mention that all the rich, Bay Area mansion dwellers who moved here are all libs, too. All the really big money here is progressive. And they’ve really messed up our local government, too. Outlawing things like fireplaces when that is the only source of heat for some folks. Imposing all kinds of ridiculous regulations and taking away our once easy, relaxed way of life.

            I have no affinity for the liberal mindset. None. Nope. Nada.

          • DaveH

            Kate,
            I see that I’m not the only one that slow-Eddie takes completely out of context. Maybe we should pool our money and send the poor guy to a good Reading Comprehension class.

          • eddie47d

            Kate8; Maybe you do have to balance things out there where you live. In my state all developers are of Republican philosophy and hell bent on buying up and controlling every nook and cranny of land they can get their hands on.Once they do the price soars and the every day person doesn’t have a chinamans chance of having a piece of land. Myself and a few hundred other folks learned that from the Bass brothers of Texas. So I keep an eye out on that issue. Maybe we just have opposite battlefronts. So I’ll close by saying “I have no affinity for the Republican mindset”None,Nope,Nada. Besides, The Livingston Site has proven that EVERYTHING is political

          • eddie47d

            Dave H. You truly don’t give a diddly squat about the majority of American people. This country is bigger than just you and a few of your sidekicks. You only want your private(individual) little world and to hell with everyone else. No wonder you keep having these rude awakenings and have to realize there are other folks out here. They have those dreams too:but are aware of the world around them.

          • Robert Smith

            kate8 says: >>>I have no affinity for the liberal mindset. None. Nope. Nada.<<<

            Now there is an example of an open mind (not).

            Rob
            (Bet someone from the right goes all a-dither because I've pointed it out.)

          • JeffH

            RS, phony liberal, Nope, nada, not!

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Victor: it’s called CONTROL. If you can keep the population centralized it’s either to control and manipulate them. You mistake the Fed. Gvt. for someone who has the best interests of America at heart.

  • http://none draper b. gregory

    May I submit that a viable plan is to ascertain the senators who voted for this bill and VOTE THEM OUT.Their replacements will have to promise that they will repeal the bill if it passed. All the best. Draper

    Oh, and while we’re at it, the mosque thing in NY, if it is erected, will be perceived by the muslim world as a VICTORY SHRINE erected to, and dedicated to the memory of 19 muslims who martyred themselves in the name of ISLAM on September 11, 2001.If such a structure would give aid and comfort to militant Islam, which is obviously our enemy,then its erection would be an act of TREASON which is not protected by our Constitution. Accordingly, there is no RIGHT to build it. End of story.

    All the best, Draper

  • Craig

    I don’t know about anyone else, but if all of these Socialist abominations manage to go into law it may well be time to think about finding another country to live in. Pretty obvious, if we leave the Democrats in power the USA is well on the way to becoming just another crappy third world banana Republic. Call my Rep or my Senators? What a terrible joke as mine are all far left socialists, I live in California which is rapidly morphing into third world status. I would advise no one to move here! Bad idea! Lots of people already leaving and the place is filling up with illegals!

  • nikenow

    If the Regime tries to implement this, there will be a push-back from all freedom loving citizens.

  • http://gmail i41

    Just remember Onumnutts and his thug radical lawyers are trying to figure out how that with an executive order, he can do away with private land ownership. Between Nov and middle of Jan, American people haven’t seen nothing yet with the marxist muslim moron and his communist democrat bobbleheads jackasses doing and agreeing with him. No private land ownership, no free will, and no production or any type, food or manufacturing!

    • eddie47d

      Corporations and wealthy foreigners have already done that to us so your rants are only smoke and mirrors.

  • BOB

    These people keep this up and there will be riots that find them very soon.

    • CJM

      Rioting is exactly what this administration is hoping for–what better way than to declare an urgent need for National security. Riot and you fall right into their trap—keep your cool.

      • BOB

        Ha! Ha! You are kidding right? Try and make someone move by force and you are going to have trouble. You will see.

        • Kate8

          When people are broken financially, have no way to pay the rising costs of living, can’t feed their families, and get evicted from their homes – they are not given much choice.

          They’re pulling the rug out from under us. We need to have a way to wrest power away from them. With them calling the shots, we are simply expendable.

          • eddie47d

            “with THEM calling the shots”. Then go after the Enrons and Big Phrama and Goldman Sacs and Lehman Bros. Go after the tax cheats who send their money overseas. I call them American rapists and they do put a greater burden on all of us. Go after the Joe Nacchio’s and all the others with their crooked millions. They are the ones driving up the costs of everything.They are the wheeler and dealers who force prices up. The government can be a burden but it’s private companies that make or sell products. The price of most things you buy come from them and they got you right where they want you.So go after the Hedge Fund managers and the Venture capitalists; their market manipulations destroyed our once strong middle class. All those billions they made off with affected every aspect of our lives.

          • Kate8

            Gee, eddie. Those would be the very same people who are running this government, AND calling the shots.

            LOL. You just don’t get it.

          • JeffH

            kate8, 99% of the time fast eddie makes a comment he ends up holding a big target in front of himself begging for someone to “shoot” at it.

            My goodness this guy hasn’t a clue about much of anything other than how to look stupid! It must be a birth defect.

          • eddie47d

            Kate< No I think you are the one who doesn't always get it. I can do with less government but for the life of me I can't figure out why you keep defending these corporate thieves. They grew bolder over the years and laughed at government rules and took advantage of the American people. We don't have to be beholden to corporations or overbearing government.When it comes to 1619 I bet Corporations and private contractors are chomping at the bit. They can't wait to get their fingers in the pie. When they do the costs will skyrocket.

          • Kate8

            Holy cow, eddie! Show me one place where I’ve “defended the corporate thieves”!

            Is this not what I, and many others, rail on about on a daily basis? The takeover of government by the corporations? Do you pay attention at all, eddie?

            You seem to thing you liberal politicians aren’t involved in corporations – that it is somehow only the conservatives. YOU COULDN’T BE MORE MISTAKEN. They are BOTH corporatist, and the wealthiest ones are progressives!

            Wake the heck up, eddie! It’s getting late and time is getting short!

          • eddie47d

            You seem to be of the same mold as Jeff H. and Dave H.for they defend these Corporations 100% of the time.Maybe you need to find better sidekicks. They(you) always bash liberals with the same stroke so maybe I made a wrong assumption about labeling you. I apologize if this is not correct.

          • JeffH

            fast eddie, you’re laughable at best…

          • eddie47d

            Jeff;Your mimicking (parroting) is the worst and you still haven’t answered anything I asked. I’m waiting for an intelligent answer instead of baa,baa,baa.

          • JeffH

            fast eddie, first off you have to ask a question that is halfway intelligent. Secondly, you being the liberals village idiot excuses your lack thereof.

            Thirdly, fast eddie says baaa, baaa, baaa.

            Last and most importantly, we all have been waiting for several months on answers from fast eddie and as usual he ducks any questions like a baseball player ducks a high hard one.

      • Robert Smith

        CJM says: >>>Riot and you fall right into their trap—keep your cool.<<<

        And we all know how that worked for the extreme right in Watts, Kent State, and Stonewall.

        Rob

  • cporter

    Here lies a dying patient..America,while all the doctors and surgeons
    bicker and argue point fingers and call each names to sastify their own self intrest instead of attending to the patients critical needs.

    The buzzards of China,Russia,Iran,Korea just patienly wait on the side lines waiting to swoop in and feast on the carcass.
    Oh don t forget the laughing hyhenas.

    You can t make good judgement in a state of anger and hate and self
    centerness.

    • CJM

      Just so you know, buzzards begin feasting on the carcass before death occurs…kinda makes you worry a bit, huh.

  • CJM

    Why are we not surprised that Chris Dodd would pull some evil shenanigan as this diabolical bill? Dodd is a sour grapes loser from the gitgo; he is a coward who is anti-American and will stop at nothing to help further Obama’s agenda, particularly since he hopes there will be a cushy spot for him in the “New World Order of Obama.” This administration has got to be pushed out of the White House, out of Washington, and out of politics NOW.

  • Quest

    What government should focus on, is “improving the quality of life” of the citizens.

    • BOB

      That means getting out of the way. They need to quit spending money that isn’t theirs to spend. People need to stop demanding government do ANYTHING. Anytime they do anything they are robbing you and me and our children. My time and my property are mine!!!! These people and their incremental policy making are and have been stomping on your right to live with a smile. These are the people who as children grin while torturing animals. They are soulless and you better quit being as naive as to think they are there to help you or anyone else. They only care about their power and how to get more of it. Its a one party system, and they are having a good ole time!

      • Robert Smith

        Bob says: >>>They need to quit spending money that isn’t theirs to spend. <<<

        But George W. Bush was the biggest spender EVER.

        Rob

        • Kate8

          Mr. Smith, In the first place, why do you libs always throw out ‘Bush’, as if he is a prime example of conservative thinking. BUSH WAS NEVER A CONSERVATIVE, and many of us ceased to support him when he acted like a progressive.

          In the second place, I believe ODUMBO holds the prize for the BIGGEST SPENDER EVER.

  • Ruthann

    If you noticed on the US Census it asks if you live in a “farmhouse” or not.. If you live in the country this makes a difference.. lots of folks live in the country but not in farmhouses actually hooked up with a farm.. those living on a trueRanch/farm may be allowed to stay on the farm as owner workers, those not living on an actual farm are to be asked to leave…
    Have you noticed the MSM and Lefties keep talking about Detroit and all the empty houses? Lots could be said there.. I read an article that they want to start bulldozing the cities so that all people will be forced into these “structures”.. Then I read where Detroit was beginning to plan to do this, so that they could “restructure” their city.. they were gonna even force older house owners to move so they could do that.. Right now there is a fire in Detroit that is burning house by house by house.. and “they” can’t stop it? Even those homes that are occupied are burning.. I am sorry as this is getting wayyy out there but I try to pay attention to all this stuff and keep up or ahead if I can. Why shold we not be “seeing” into their mess.. I have read their darn utopian books even dating back to the seventies.. they really, really suck.. and their ideas of real living is just what they describe in your social engineering bill.. did i say i despised these ideas.. ? YES darn right I do, they are un American…

  • http://geraldbowman6285@juno.com gerald bowman

    In all the twists and turns about how we should treat muslims. just remember there book says, if you do not believe there way they are to kill you bottom line. I believe there actions all over the world show this in country after country look at the fruit quit listing to the words.I say we have to get a backbone and live according to our Constitution or leave the country. Tolerance is being used 2 faced.

    • henry george

      the difference between a christian and a muslim, the muslim still believes in god.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        Too bad their god is satan.

        • Robert Smith

          From gunner 689: >>>Too bad their god is satan.<<<

          Actually satan is a, christian, and moslum invention and part of their lore. Remember, Eve and Adam? They were tempted.

          For those who don't particupate in those religions the term is doesn't mean anything more than Lex Luthor does to those who read Adventure comics.

          So, how's things worshiping Lex? See how silly it is to try to paint others?

          Rob

    • Robert Smith

      From gerald bowman: >>> just remember there book says, if you do not believe there way they are to kill you bottom line. <<<

      And christians are doing a lot of killing too.

      March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn of Pensacola, Florida was fatally shot. He had been the subject of wanted-style posters distributed by Operation Rescue.
      .
      August 21, 1993 Dr. George Patterson, was shot and killed in Mobile, Alabama.
      .
      July 29, 1994: Dr. John Britton and James Barrett, a clinic escort, were both shot to death outside another facility in Pensacola. Rev. Paul Jennings Hill was charged with the killings.
      .
      December 30, 1994: Two receptionists, Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols, were killed in two clinic attacks in Brookline, Massachusetts.
      .
      January 29, 1998: Robert Sanderson, an off-duty police officer who worked as a security guard at an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, was killed when his workplace was bombed.
      .
      October 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot to death at his home in Amherst, New York.
      .
      May 31, 2009: Dr. George Tiller was shot and killed as he served as an usher at his church in Wichita, Kansas.
      .
      Yup, sure looks like the extreme christian right in America isn't gonna let the muslums be the only ones killing.

      Rob

      • JeffH

        Phony Robert Smith, are you a fanatical muslim extremist?

        The death toll of the 9/11 muslim extremist attacks was 2,977, not including the 19 hijackers. The overwhelming majority of casualties were civilians, including nationals of over 70 countries. In addition, there was at least one secondary death – one person was ruled by a medical examiner to have died from lung disease due to exposure to dust from the World Trade Center’s collapse.

        Your comments pale in comparison. By the way, murders in America have dropped significantly since a 1980 high per capita(100,000)rate of 10.2 to a 2007 rate of 5.9. According to FBI statistics, the 2008-2009 murder rate has dropped 7.2%.

        • eddie47d

          No he’s not a ” phony fanatical muslim extremists” . His point of view should be as important as yours and you should have stuck to the facts of your comment instead of all the name calling.That rather put you in the extremists category. I was going to bring up a whole list of Christian misdeeds but I rather not. I’m sure the subject will come up again.

          • JeffH

            fast eddie, only you would stick your little pencil neck out for a muslim extremist loving liberal phony like RS. In your case it’s true that “Birds of a feather flock together”.

          • eddie47d

            You’re sicker than I thought. Nothing but a mudslinging psycho.

          • JeffH

            fast eddie, I’d call you a phony too except you’re too stupid to be a phony.

        • Robert Smith

          JeffH offers: >>>The death toll of the 9/11 muslim extremist attacks was 2,977, not including the 19 hijackers.<<<

          Now that you bring that up…

          So, do you believe that christians murdering and maiming civilian doctors is just hunkey-dorey because of extremest muslums?

          Interesting theory but I don't think either one is acceptable.

          Rob

          • JeffH

            Robert Smith, what I do believe is that you’re a phony liberal hack!

          • eddie47d

            Robert: Jeff always likes to through punches but get’s his panties in a bunch when someone brings up a fact to challange him. You’ll get use to it.

          • JeffH

            fast eddie, neither RS or you present much of a challange to anybody…both of you being misinformed phony liberal hacks.

          • eddie47d

            And Jeff still hasn’t answered any specifics on anything that he was asked. That makes you the shill and a self centered hack .

          • JeffH

            eddie47d says:
            September 13, 2010 at 1:49 pm
            And Jeff still hasn’t answered any specifics on anything that he was asked. That makes you the shill and a self centered hack .

            Once again fast eddie says baaa, baaa, baaa!

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        I ask again, did the Jew have the right to kill the concentration camp guard? The guard was following the legal orders of his gvt.
        Regardless of the law, abortion is Murder !
        Abortion doctors are Murderers, just as the concentration camp guard was.
        As to a women’s right to do with her body as she will, why is prostitution illegal?

        • Robert Smith

          Gunner seems to be wound up about abortion.

          Women should be able to decide about their own bodies. That means to enter or remain inside her body without permission is RAPE. Even though some guy may have been married to her in the past he can’t stop over for some sex without her permission. If he doesn’t ask and get a positive answer to engage with her reproductive organs then it is a rape.

          IF as you say that from conception it is a “person” then it needs permission to stay inside of her. If she doesn’t give permission to another “person” and that “person” insists upon staying insider her it is again RAPE. If that “person” hangs around for 9 months then it is a nine month long rape. It’s that simple. Please don’t give me that diaper load that she gave “permission” when she had sex. Even though she may have had sex with someone else in the past if she says NO today no means no. Follow me here, gunner… It’s rape without her permission here and now.

          IF you are insisting that rape continue by enabeling a “person” to stay inside her without her permission they you are an accessorty to the crime of RAPE.

          Rob

        • Robert Smith

          Gunner asks: >>>As to a women’s right to do with her body as she will, why is prostitution illegal?<<<

          I don't know why prostitution is illegal. I think it should be legal among consenting adults. Anything that restricts the sexual freedoms between / among adults is something I consider government sticking its nose where it shouldn't be.

          Don't we have in common that givernment is messing in the lives of people too much?

          Rob

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            If prostitution was legal even limp wrists like Robert could get laid.

  • DANEL

    What is the end result in Community Redistricting going on now?This will be done on a larger scale,and at a faster pace.You really do not need a college education to see whats going on.This Community Living arrangement,is textbook OBAMA.MAKES ORGANIZING EASIER.SAUL ALINSKY TRAINING MANUEL.PICK YOUR TARGET–ISOLATE YOUR TARGET–HAMMER YOUR TARGET.

    • Robert Smith

      Danel posts: >>>What is the end result in Community Redistricting going on now?This <<<

      I'm surprised nobody has brought up the ultimate corporate food: Soylent Green. Remember, that's the one Heston pointed out. But, oops I expect him to support big corporations.

      Rob

  • NormP

    Don’t know if anyone ever actually reads what I say or not but here goes anyway…
    I grew up in Detroit in the 60′s and saw the results of the plan being resurrected by Mr Dodd…we called it the slums. Detroit is dead because the union leaders priced the US auto industry out of the market, I saw it coming back in the 70′s. I kind of like Patrick Henry’s words, “Give me liberty or give me death”. I’ve lived in the city and boy am I glad I don’t any more. Wish some of you could stop by and see what GOD can do with 1/4 acre of ground!! I shouldn’t be, but am surprised myself. I’m thinking tho’ that maybe, just maybe the only way we have left is Gandhi. He wasn’t a Christian but he was very shrewd and successful in implementing the teachings of Jesus against the British gov’t a few years back. I won’t go back to the city in an alive state unless GOD directs me to. Don’t care what gov’t says, GOD directs my life, not them. As for that bitter person who hates GOD so much here’s a little challenge. Demand that GOD prove himself to you personally…if you dare. GOD bless you all and pray that HE wakes enough of us up to salvage what might be left of this country. Keep looking up.
    In HIM who GAVE HIMSELF for us…….

    • Richard Pawley

      I sometimes wonder if what we say here has value too but it is quite true that only if we return to God and the values given to us by our founding fathers in our Constitution will we survive as a nation. We can pray and we can vote, and THAT WILL HAVE VALUE!

    • Meteorlady

      I have .7 acre on a golf course. We can’t fence our backyards but I have a garden and grow most all my veggies. I pick berries at a local ranch that grows without pesticides and genetic engineering of crops. I love the taste of my foods.

      In buying seeds I started to research Heirloom Tomatoes and found that there are actually laws to prohibit the sale of these seeds for commercial purposes. Then I dug further and found that our food supply is pretty much controlled by 4 large corporations. Every single vegetable they produce is genetically engineered for the most part. They were the biggest lobbying group against disclosure to the public when something being sold in the grocery store was genetically engineered. They were the biggest lobbying group trying the make the sale of heirloom seeds illegal.

      Tyson Chicken, in addition to employing illegals, is the worst of the worst. Their chickens live in pens, are fattened up so fast that they cannot even stand on their two legs. They are feed growth hormones that causes them to grow 5 times faster than a normal chicken. When the reach a certain weight (usually within 90 days) the bottom drops out of the cage and they are sent along an assembly line and disemboweled before they are dead.

      This is corporate and government control of our food supply. I can’t even get started on pigs and cattle – that makes me sick also. THe FDA is the pawn of these corporations and inept at enforcing regulations. So when you purchase meat, pork, poultry or fruits and vegetables, buy locally from an small farmer or rancher when ever possible and grow and process as much of your own food as you can. Obviously I can’t have chickens where I live, but I can hunt down farmers in my area that supply meat and eggs.

      • Robert Smith

        Form Metrorlady: >>>This is corporate and government control of our food supply.<<<

        Yup, and there are those around here who scream against cleaning up such things (literally with all the infectious problems from food lately). Too much "regulation" and by all means don't take any taxes from these corporations.

        May I suggest you read "The Jungle"? The Jungle is a 1906 novel written by author and journalist Upton Sinclair. Sinclair wrote the novel to highlight the plight of the working class (oops the right doesn't seem to care about them) and to show the corruption of the … Well, I'm sure you will understand if you read it. Through that you can see what the food industry was BEFORE there was any government involvement.

        Rob

      • Meager Loss

        Miss, it takes six weeks to make a fryer. It starts when they kill all the roosters! Just like in politics. The chickens are also feed arsenic at “low levels”. It works. They grow faster. What kind of gestopo keeps you from fencing out the rabbits, deer, and coons. On 0.7 acre you and DaveH could have a Garden of Eden. Just tap into that golf course irragation system.

  • http://gmail i41

    If eddee would head on down to a resaervation, he would get his new house, so he could water his hertitage”horse” out of the bathtub. For a few months before the plumbing froze up. That is why a vegan diet is so ignorant, there isn’t enough ground to grow crops, 2 there is too many restrictions on water, Onumnutts now wants to regulate all water even in puddles, in 80 it went to court only water managed by the feds was flowing water. The otherthing will have to put parks back on privater ownership roles, wilderness areas opened up. Idoits that think USA is like EU, are either concrete pounders or warm weather dinks. Not every crop growing land has potable water at surface or can be drilled for. The blue helmeteddinks will proceed in small incroments, just like any socialist marxist democrat.

  • Pim

    Let them just try to remove me from my little place in the woods….
    I hate people,I would make their lives a living HELL,I promise you that is FACT….

  • Al Sieber

    Hey John Smith, are you related to Robert Smith?

    • dan az

      Al
      apparently or flashmans brother!

  • Noreen

    WAKE UP AMERICA AND TURN OFF THE FOOTBALL AND BASEBALL GAMES they distract you with on a daily basis. The news media feeds what they are told to feed. Pray to be accounted worthy to escape these things. God will protect us. But there is nothing wrong with lock and load. I am not young and have no family to protect me but I have the cojones to stand up and be counted. This life is but a short moment compared to eternity. Be ready to leave it and take Christ as your Lord and Savior. That is the answer but keep fighting these proponents of UN AGENDA 21. Find it on the internet and read it. It was published in National Geographic at one time. Environmentalists and Greenies are behind much of it. Take care, Patriots.

    • eddie47d

      Noreen; Point by point what don’t you like about agenda 21? I’ll list the major subjects. Combating poverty-promoting health-sustainable settlements-combating deforestation/pollution-protecting children from abuse-better education-improve technology.

  • Kathy M

    Read the book called the Hunger Games by Suzanne Collins. Yes, it is a young adult book, but it is where we could end up if this business does not stop.

    In the ruins of a place once known as North America lies the nation of Panem, a shining Capitol surrounded by 12 outlying districts. The Capitol is harsh and cruel and keeps the districts in line by forcing them all to send one boy and one girl between the ages of 12 and 18 to participate in the annual Hunger Games, a fight to the death on live TV.

    • Meteorlady

      Try reading Altas Shrugged. I believe it’s about time for John Galt to return to action in this country.

      • Robert Smith

        Hey Metrorlady, John Gault didn’t do any “action.” He simply quit and encouraged others to quit supporting the corporate looters.

        Francisco d’Anconia was played an active role in making the fall of corporations quicker.

        BTW, Ayn Rand had some other interesting points of view. She rejected ting the traditional altruistic moral code. That also included rejecting the sexual code that. She was an advocate for sex. Rather than considering sexual desire a debasing animal instinct, Rand portrays it as the highest celebration of human values. IOW, sex is good.

        I too think sex is excellent among consenting adults.

        Rob

    • Robert Smith

      From Kathy M: >>>The Capitol is harsh and cruel and keeps the districts in line by forcing them all to send one boy and one girl between the ages of 12 and 18 to participate in the annual Hunger Games, a fight to the death on live TV.<<<

      "Logan's Run" was even scarier. Kids volunteered to die when their time had come. BTW, his ray gun was sure looks like a High Standard with a muzzle break on it.

      Rob

  • Demented

    DC will be a parking lot if they try this.

  • henry george

    i could care less. i’m waiting for the lord’s kingdom. the only point of life is to learn how to appreciate the lord’s kingdom.

    • Meteorlady

      You go man! Let me know when that happens huh?

  • Mark D

    Also, note.. the federal government is “Talking” millions of acres in Private land and rendering it under federal control.

    Eventually, only federal approved areas will be allowed to residential status…as there will be very little private land.

    • Meteorlady

      So when I used to live in Washington State, King County. The county decided that they were under an edict to keep a certain percentage of space as “green”. The also found that they had over built the area with high density housing and were not in compliance with the law.

      What did they do? The great, then county executive, Ron Sims (the same one now working in the Obama administration) decided that they did not meet those requirements so they passed a law that said property owners in rural areas could must leave a large percentage of the land they owned in “green space”. That meant that my lakefront was to be left to become overgrown with weeds, be washed away with flooding caused by upstream development, and generally left a mess in my yard. I could also not cut down a tree without a permit which you could not get without paying for. So, it ended up that most people that had land in King County lost their right to improve their own property. Land values for acreage dropped and most people started improving their property without permits and without asking.

      • Robert Smith

        Have you seen the “green” red lining that’s going on in New Orleans?

        Rob

  • Stephen Russell

    what move to dwtn LA? Seeds for more Revolt, Tired of being dictated to BIG Time by those who dont Lead by Example.

  • DaveH

    I thought it was illegal for Government Agencies to lobby for more power. More proof that Government is out of control. Urgent, write your Representatives on this one. This Government Takeover must be stopped:
    http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=6611

    • JeffH

      DaveH, thanks for the link.

      Anybody interested can use this link to send a message to your Senators to Continue Stopping S510, The Fake Food Safety Bill.

      http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=4613

    • coal miner

      DaveH,

      I am sure you will like this one.

      A quotation at the right moment is like bread to the famished. – Anonymous . A government which robs Peter to pay Paul, can always count on the support of Paul.George Bernard …HA HA HA

      • DaveH

        Good ones, Miner.

    • Meteorlady

      Seems nothing is “illegal” for the governing elites. I amazes me day in and day out.

  • coal miner

    Coal Miner,

    Quote for the day.

    Truly it has been said that there is nothing new under the sun, for knowledge is revealed and is submerged again, even as a nation rises and falls. Here is a system, tested throughout the ages, but lost again and again by ignorance or prejudice, in the same way that great nations have risen and fallen and been lost to history beneath the desert sands and in the ocean depths.:Paracelsos

    • coal miner

      I meant Paracelsus:

      • coal miner

        Paracelsus:

        Paracelsus (November 11 or December 17, 1493 – September 24, 1541)
        A famous alchemist, physician, astrologer, and general occultist.
        Born Theophrastus Bombastus von Hohenheim, he took the name Paracelsus later in life, meaning “superior to Celsus”, an early Roman physician.
        He was also known by the pseudonym
        Theophrastus Philippus Aureolus Bombastus von Hohenheim.

  • RicSeag

    This whole piece of crap article is just more fear-mongering nonsense from the mind-controlling right wing noise machine. Too bad so many sheeple believe it. You people are sorry!

    • coal miner

      RicSeag,

      I agree.

    • DaveH

      Perhaps, Ric, instead of using the typical manipulative name-calling, condescension, and ridicule employed by Liberals, you could enlighten us as to which parts of the article you disagree with and why?

      Or, just get back to your eighth-grade classroom.

      • eddie47d

        I think you need to concentrate on i41 if you want the King of name calling . No comparison with any liberal or Libertarian.

      • JeffH

        Dave, fast eddie the liberal trying to tell you what to do. A novel approach?

        • eddie47d

          Dang, Another one of i41′s bed mates or is that a bed bug infastation?

          • JeffH

            Baaa, baaa, baaa…>”infEstation”<

    • Meteorlady

      DaveH is right – what parts don’t you completely understand?

      Do you really think that the Democrats and Republicans currently in office had the majority of their election campaigns supported by the American public? Do you actually believe that they are not under the control of the world elite bankers who funneled tons of money into their campaigns?

      George Soros and the Bildenburg Group advocate social experimentation – this is something that has been published in European newspapers. If you doubt these people exist and that they are for World Order and dominance of the masses, google them and then watch:

      http://vodpod.com/watch/1434239-the-obama-deception

  • http://gmail i41

    Mark D, You are are right, the feds are taking control in several ways of private land. The idoits that have usually inherited property keep putting their land in any federal programs for soil conservattion or wild life enhansment farces, for taxpayer funds. The common thread of only phded and college educated jackwagon idoits have skills that are they all knowing, has perminated financal and legal feilds with out a nano smidge of common every day smarts. Creates non productive idoits in high rises, who cann’t grow or do a damn thing in reality. The multiplicity keyboard and paper shuffling dorks, that impede actual production of a useful grain of food or nut is staggering. Just go into a bank and watch the cluster that happens when a person wants to borrow money on their own property and income and proven savings. It is weeks of — around for approval from paper shuffling s–t birds in an distant office, from some dink who has never done a damn thing. But go to school and theorize, take a vacation every 4 months and has never gotten their fingers dirty ,except going to the bathroom. Has the ability to play with numbers to kill or implode your ability to create work, for your self and people around your area. Now the jug eared marxist mslim moron and the socialist democrats , have impede the American people to do a damn thing productive or creat anything useful. It isn’t just beltway idoits, it is the non stop creation of smucks that need busy work to slow production and give govenment wonks total control, with out being held accountalable by the elected peoples. Onumnutts and the socialists democrats and no one else have done this in the last 3 3/5 years! It will get way more controlling after Jan. 2. Still trust the marxist bastards?

  • http://gmail i41

    Ricseag, what are you and flashmanH, bucking for the spots of chamber pot polisher and head fluffer for Barry. The Jug Eared marxist muslim moron will need some happy time after Nov. elections. There will be competion for socialist democrat party slots will be mean, and you 2 will need something to give you a heads up. Both you and flashy are dual purpose orfices organisms, they spew the same bidge, so Lispimg Blarney might have some basement space for you silly lads!

  • http://gmail i41

    Sorry coal miner, didn’t know you wanted in on a stand by spot in the basement!

  • Meteorlady

    I believe that some 35 years ago there were plans in Houston, TX to build these types of towers where people lived and worked. It got nowhere because people wanted variety and more space. Now we will be lumped together in the name of “green” if I believe what I read.

    It appalls me that the federal government holds out carrots, fund the beginning of a program and then walks away and lets the states and local governments deal with the problem they created. I live in Texas and we give 23% more of our taxes to the federal government than we get back. We sit and watch our hard earned dollars go to inefficiently run welfare states suck up more and more federal funds to keep afloat. I believe that if a state wants to be liberal they needs to have enough paying people in order to support that. The rest of the states should not be responsible for a failed social experiment.

    We also need to stop voting for candidates that are supported by the likes of Bildenburg Group, George Soros and the other “social experimentation and one world order types”. If you need to be convinced of this check this out – it’s long but informative and scary but we could better prepare ourselves if we know our enemy:

    http://vodpod.com/watch/1434239-the-obama-deception

    • JeffH

      Meteorlady, what you say is candid and honest.

  • Meteorlady

    I’ve not sure I have ever heard a rant like yours. We should put you up against the liberal ranters on Yahoo. No substance.

  • http://gmail i41

    Has anyone seen id the Bank Reform Bill is going to tax everyone 1% for every transaction. If you hand delivery or automatic deposit a check it will cost you 1% to cash it, if you buy something there will be another 1% federal sales tax. The transport trucking company is being told that by their accounting firm, to get ready for the new tax on every dollar that is changed hand no matter how simple of transaction.. The company will be charged a 1% tax on wages, the employee will be taxed 1% to cash his check, the store will tax another 1% for a loaf of bread, and so on! I called my Sens, and Rep. and they would check and let me know, which tells me the Onumnutts and his socialist dems are staying mum! If anyone knows please let us all know, the worms are starting to come out of the rotten corpse of the government carcuss of the USA. How is the Changy and Hopey thing looking now, more taxes, more debt, more unemployment, more dispare, more foreclosures, more change, less positive outlook on this economy, and less money for everyone, no vactions except for jug ears marxist muslim and golf trips for change. It was all brought to you by the National Socialist Democrat Union Party with Saul Alinsky & Karl Marx annointed muslim moron Starry Barry and the domestic terrorists.

    • Meteorlady

      There is a Congressional House Bill, HR-4646, the Debt Free America Act that was introduced in Congress on February 23, 2010, but we have not found any evidence that the bill is being snuck in as the eRumor alleges.

      The bill was sponsored by Democratic Congressional Representative Chaka Fattah of Pennsylvania and says that it is to “establish a fee on transactions which would eliminate the national debt and replace the income tax on individuals.” Fattah has a description of the bill along with a press release posted on his Congressional web site. Fattah is a member of the House Appropriations Committee.

      The Thomas Library is the official site where legislative bills are posted and progress can be monitored. The bill can easily be found and currently the Thomas Library site shows that the Debt Free America Act is in the House committee and then will be referred to the Committee on Ways and Means, the Committees on the Budget, Rules, and Appropriations. Click here for the Thomas Library for text and status of the bill.

      The Debt Free America Act HR-4646 can also be found at the Govtrack US site, a civic project that tracks legislative activity. Click for Govtrack.us information on HR-4646.

      • Meteorlady

        Ops, forgot. This bill is to replace income tax. WOW, the banks can collect money for the government.

        • Robert Smith

          From Meteorlady: >>>the banks can collect money for the government.<<<

          Currently employers are collecting money for big brother and employers are doing drug testing for the government.

          Rob

  • http://LLSTULER.wordpress.com Larry L. Stuler

    There is a large number of Americans who now believe that the federal gov’t is ignoring the Constitution and enacting unconstitutional laws. Nothing could be further from the truth – the federal gov’t is quite aware of its limited jurisdictions. In fact, the following dissertation will actually evidence this to be true – the federal gov’t has meticulously gone to great lengths to stay within its limited jurisdictions. What the gov’t has done is to create legal “terms” that have meanings only within its jurisdictions.
    The Declaration of Independence is the organic law of the land and its main tenet is that “all men are created equal”. Under such a tenet no person or group of people, including some group called government, may ever initiate force or fraud against any other person or group of people. This is the basis of individual sovereignty. The Constitution was adopted to form a gov’t that would uphold this tenet.
    The Constitution acknowledges this where in Article I, section 8 it grants the federal government jurisdiction over foreign commerce, interstate commerce, and trade with the Indians. The federal government has no jurisdiction over intrastate commerce since the law is based upon the tenet that “all men are created equal”. The individual American is sovereign, not the federal gov’t. See the following Supreme Court decisions that uphold the sovereignty of the individual – United States v. Lee, 106 U.S. 196, Hale v. Henkle, 201 U.S. 43, Julliard v. Greenman, 110 U.S. 421, Chisholm v. Georgia, 1 L.Ed. (2 Dall.) 415. All of these Supreme Court decisions were rendered before the bankruptcy of the federal gov’t in the 1930’s.
    The FED bankrupted the gov’t in the 1930′s. This is easily evidenced by the correlation between the United States Code (USC) and the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR): title 11 USC, “Bankruptcy”, is implemented by title 11 CFR, “Federal Elections”. Our vote is simply to elect a bankruptcy “administration”.
    However, bankrupting the federal gov’t wasn’t enough to make Americans pay the interest on the FED’s counterfeit money loans to the gov’t. Sovereignty lies with the individual American, not the federal gov’t. as evidenced above by the Supreme Court.
    To get around all of the chains that the Constitution imposes on the federal gov’t, Social Security was created to destroy American sovereignty. The “Form SS-5″ that an applicant uses to apply for a S.S.# is actually a federal employment form. After all, only a federal employee is liable for federal employment taxes. You know the name of the federal employee – the “taxpayer”. “Taxpayer” is a legal term defined at 26 CFR 2.1-1(a)(5) as a member of the Merchant Marine – a federal employee. 26 CFR 2.1-1(b) states that this is the definition of the term as used throughout the Code and the regulations for all calculation of taxes.
    The gov’t has been given jurisdiction over its possessions by Article IV, section 3 of the Constitution. By checking the box “U.S. citizen” on the “Form SS-5″ the applicant has given the gov’t prima facie evidence that he has U.S. possession citizenship. “U.S. citizen” is also a legal term exemplified at 26 CFR 25.2501-1(c) as a person born in one of the States who then establishes a residence in a U.S. possession (Puerto Rico is cited in the example) and, further, acquires U.S. possession citizenship. This regulation then references back to 26 USC sec. 2501(b) where it states that this is the definition of the term “citizen” “wherever used in the title”. The U.S. possessions are treated as foreign countries (see 26 USC sec. 865(i)(3), 872(b)(7), and 2014(g) for example). This makes a “U.S. citizen” a foreigner in relation to America. This is the 14th Amendment citizen.
    The combination of the legal terms “taxpayer” and “U.S. citizen” is known as the legal term “U.S. resident” at 26 USC sec. 865(g). A “U.S. resident” is a “U.S citizen” living in America – a foreigner.
    So by applying for a S.S.# an American has given away all sovereignty and become a slave to the federal gov’t.
    All of this evidences that the owners of the gov’t are quite aware of its limited jurisdiction, but they have absolutely no regard for freedom.
    The federal gov’t is legislating today on two main premises – under foreign commerce and that everyone is a federal employee.
    The CFR was created during the bankruptcy proceedings in the mid-1930’s to evidence the correlation of which of the new federal regulatory agencies would be in charge of implementing the regulations under the statutes of the USC.
    Obviously, federal gov’t regulatory agencies can have no jurisdiction over a sovereign American since “all men are created equal” and the federal gov’t has no jurisdiction over intrastate commerce. But a “U.S. resident” has no constitutional protections.
    Since one becomes a “taxpayer” by applying for a S.S.#, that person is now subject to the income tax.
    The income tax was ruled to be constitutional in several U.S. Supreme Court decisions – see Brushaber v. Union Pacific R.R. Co., 240 U.S. 1 (1916), Stanton v. Baltic Mining, 240 US 103 (1916), Peck & Co. v. Lowe, 247 US 165 (1918), Eisner v. Macomber, 252 U.S. 189 (1920). These Supreme Court decisions all stated that the gov’t always had the power to tax income and, further, that no new power of taxation was granted to the federal gov’t by the 16th Amendment. In other words, the income being taxed must be within the limited jurisdiction of the federal gov’t to begin with since no new power was granted to the federal gov’t. Cites from each of these cases can be found at wp.me/pCW6e-3a on my Blog.
    Internal revenue is within the customs. Customs gains revenue for the gov’t from importing duties from foreign countries. Internal revenue gains revenue for the gov’t from importing duties from the U.S. possessions – thus a source of “internal revenue”. Customs is foreign commerce. Internal revenue is a legal term.
    The 3 commerce jurisdictions are cited separately in title 28 USC, “Judiciary and Judicial Procedure”, chapter 85, “District Courts; Jurisdiction”. Section 1336, “Surface Board Transportation Orders”, which was renamed from “Interstate Commerce Commission’s Orders” in late 1995, is the interstate commerce jurisdiction. Section 1362, “Indian Tribes”, is obviously the trade with the Indians commerce jurisdiction. Section 1340, “Internal revenue; customs duties”, is the foreign commerce jurisdiction. Income tax is the second plank of the Communist Manifesto. Inheritance tax is the third plank of the Communist Manifesto. These communistic taxes are only available to the federal gov’t under foreign commerce along with the presumption that the individual is a federal employee.
    Now the federal gov’t and its owners have an unlimited reservoir of revenue from the “taxpayers” that can be used to expand the gov’t’s apparent powers. The ninth plank of the Communist Manifesto concerns social engineering. The tenth plank of the Communist Manifesto is to have the gov’t in control of education.
    Social Security = Socialism and all the hallmarks thereof – poverty, crime, homelessness, illiteracy, innumeracy, terrorism, war, etc.
    I have evidenced the entire Social Security Scam on my Blog

    • Meteorlady

      What would happen if we all moved, left no forwarding address, legally changed our names four or five times, and burned our SS cards. What if employers like me hired people and didn’t report. Sort of like Atlas Shrugged……

      OH well, nice dream I guess, but we could all band together and stop paying taxes, accumulate bartering items and gold/silver and just continue commerce between ourselves.

      • eddie47d

        Corporations hire illegals all the time without SS numbers and don’t report earnings. So that has been going on for a long time.

        • JeffH

          You’re such an expert on everything. NOT!

          • eddie47d

            And you’re a fool on everything, all the time.

          • JeffH

            fast eddie says: Baaa, Baaa, Baaa…

          • eddie47d

            More intelligence from Jeff? Not!

          • JeffH

            fast eddie says: Baaa, Baaa, Baaa…once again!

  • kenneth S. Deaver

    What is the point of soliciting comments from the “choir”? It’s such a laborious time waster to wade through all these comments. Just help us get right to it by sharing your website to all our contacts.

  • Wild Bill

    Sure I might consider living in a city,but,I would be bringing my weapons,my Mackenzie river wolf hybrid and my attitude.You so called “social engineers” might want to reconsider your actions.because people like me,when we get hungry and cannot go to the store for meat,we go out and kill our dinner.and whatever we need to feed our animals.Personally I do not think I would care for the taste of liberal politician,but my wolf/dog hybrid might find you tasty.if he can get past the smell.On second thought,you keep your cities and I will keep my freedom,as a bonus,you get to keep your skin,that is if you are smart enough to leave me alone.
    Wild Bill
    Alaska

  • JeffH

    Senator Dodd will tell you that the bill is simply about uniformity to control development to save energy and to preserve rural areas. That is not true. It is about control. Sustainablist policy focuses on three things: land use, redistribution of wealth, and population control.

    “Livable Communities” Is nothing more than a “Socialist Trap”.

    S.1619 sets up a system for federally mandated housing uniformity, forcing homeowners to put on new roofs and windows, new “energy efficient’ appliances, etc. Which also could cost each homeowner upwards of $35,000.00.

    S.1619 will establish top down control that turns our communities into little soviets, driven by non-elected boards, councils and regional governments.
    As it reduces the amount of land available for homes (smart growth) S.1619 will have to lead to the establishment of federally mandated family planning for population control.
    And of course: it will raise taxes.

    The nation is on the verge of bankruptcy from massive federal spending. This is certainly not the time to create new bureaucracies and spending boondoggles – even if Sustainable Development was an honest concern over environmental protection – WHICH IT IS NOT!. Sustainable Development is a blue print for the government top-down control of our communities, using enforcement by non-elected boards, councils and regional government to transform our local control into a little “soviet run” by untouchable bureaucrats.

    Sen. Dodd is lying when he says S.1619 is purely voluntary. The $4 billion in grants will be used by radical green groups (who helped write it) to force your city council to comply. If your city says no to the pressure to take the grant money – the radical greens will tell your citizens that their city officials are losing them millions of dollars that is owed to the community. Then, when the council caves into the pressure and takes the money, it will force compliance. THAT IS NOT VOLUNTARY – IT IS BLACKMAIL.
    http://americanpolicy.org/sledgehammer-action-alerts/%E2%80%9Clivable-communities%E2%80%9D-is-a-socialist-trap.html

  • DaveH

    Let me point out 2 things about the Urbanization Bill.
    1) It is not Constitutional for the Federal Government to dictate zoning codes to the states. Why do they even bother? Because the Greens know that if their Freedom Stifling laws were passed at state levels the people would just move to another state and watch the states that adopt the Green policies collapse under their own weight. Witness California. They don’t want that kind of evidence available to the people.
    2) Why is it that the people that want to dictate our lives, want also to be exempt from the same kind of behavior they force on the rest of us? Witness Al Gore (high energy use home), or the deceased Ted Kennedy (who fought hard to keep wind generators from spoiling his estate view).
    Can’t the Liberal Sheeple figure this out? The leaders want to herd us into cities so they can enjoy what is no longer available for the rest of us to enjoy.

    • Kate8

      DaveH, Yes, the elites will still be living in their many sprawling mansions, consuming resources at a high rate, while forcing us into cubicles stacked up high to save space.

      I just don’t get why the liberals ignore this.

      • Milto

        Remember the oligarchs in the old Soviet Union? Opulent lifestyles while the peasants lived in efficient, gray, cookie cutter concrete apartment blocks buit by socialist (in our case, union) labor. The agenda of the leftist Democrats is totally transparent to those who care to look. Same goes for the staggering depth of Obama’s corruption and dishonesty.

      • Christin

        kate8,
        I’m thinking that this “forced urban living” may happen after the rapture and a third of us are gone and maybe after they haul all those who are captured and left behind. I don’t see the Rulers building new containment housing, but using what the delapitated remains in cities already. Some will go underground. You will need the mark of the beast to buy and sell… but some will figure it out.

        • eddie47d

          Well Christin,When the rapture does come there will not be any children 7 years before it happens. That will certainly slow down population growth and maybe their won’t be any need to “move folks into the city”

          • Christin

            eddie47d,
            There ISN’T any need to move folks into the city, (I’m glad you see that) but it is what the Elite Ruling Class will probably do. You will be close to the stores for food, clothing and medicine… and you will be in the wretched, toxic, congested liberal cities made by man and not in God’s beautiful land to “…lie down in green pastures and [He leads me] beside still waters…” part of Psalm 23.

  • DaveH

    Here is a good article for anybody that wants to learn:
    http://mises.org/daily/3085

  • DaveH

    As we build the bee hives in the city, there are two things that typically get more usage than in the outlying suburbs – Concrete and Steel. It takes lots of Steel and Concrete to build those gravity defying high-rises. Both are non-renewable resources. Why is it that the Greens are willing to put up with the mining operations and depletion of these resources? Could it be that their real goal is Power? I think so.

    • eddie47d

      What do you suggest they get built with? Cornstocks! Every society since the beginning of time has flocked to the city:for work,entertainment,sports,and better opportunity. Now Bob Livingston is telling you all how “evil” it is for anyone to be living there and it’s a government plot. Surprisingly few people ever lived in rural areas and many of their kids and grandkids have gone to the city. No Government official with a cattle prod forced them to make that choice. Obviously the majority of suburbs are in very close proximity to big cities.They want to live where the jobs are or for the cultural facilities or sports venues,ect. Since most folks live in close metropolitan areas this is where the planning come into play. No bogeyman or conspiracy just a better way to improve how different communities get around. It’s happening all the time and a master plan for any metropolitan area is a necessity. Allot better than the hodgepodge of roads that never seem to improve traffic flow. It’s wonderful if someone can live in the boonies and it is more feasible these days.Bashing cities because you think you have a better life style is rather immature. Be thankful for what you have.

      • JeffH

        …pure flatulence…

        • Robert Smith

          Flattery and flatulance have the same root.

          Rob

          • JeffH

            Phony RS, your “flatulence” will get you nowhere.

      • Wild Bill

        Eddie,
        Were you born a mental defective or did you study really hard for the position of resident idiot?.
        Wild Bill
        Alaska

        • Robert Smith

          Awwww Wild Bill, I wanted the title village idiot because it’s the only thing I haven’t been called around here. Now you done gived it to someone else.

          BTW, did you help put Quitter Sarah in office so you could have your government supported bridge to nowhere?

          Rob

          • JeffH

            Phony liberal hack!

      • DaveH

        I didn’t bash cities. I didn’t say they shouldn’t use steel for high-rises. I was simply pointing out the the Greens are inconsistent with their environmentalism, and that inconsistency leads me to believe that Power is what they really seek.
        We’re talking about Freedom of Choice, Eddie. Something that you apparently do not understand. The Freedom for people to live where they want, unfettered by Federal Government meddling. If they want to live in cities, fine. If they don’t, that should be their business also.
        You claim there is no plan by Government? Yet, the Federal Government sees fit to waste their time and our tax money trying to gain control of something that is Constitutionally a State matter? If there is no plan, Eddie, why do they meddle?

        I will have to agree with Bill. I think you need help. Your cognitive powers are severely lacking.

        • Meager Loss

          A commodities broker I use gave medie off.org/page40.htm for a link to land area in the US. I told him that DaveH on the site here was going to commander all the farm production from Canada and Mexico for consumption and/or sale in or by the US. With that oversupply here, he said I should short all farm commodities until DaveH releases his lien on the Canadian and Mexican production. Or, I should get President Obama to declare war on these two nations so we can move out populations into them as Hilter planned in WWII. We need more living space. A larger national boundary would help with the farmland per citizen problem. We will just have to kill all the Canadians, I never liked them anyway. As for the Mexicans, their women are short and fat for the most part and the men are weak and small also. Rather than put them all to the sword, DaveH, Viktor, and the rest can use them as slave labor ala Pol Pot and Moa. We will need slave labor to convert the top of Mount Washington and Death Valley to blooming Gardens of Eden.
          Since I had rather go with the power than fight it, I am applying to be in charge of land allocation. I see that one of you has more than the 8 acres per family of four. A show trial is due for you. Also, you will not be hard to find because

          YOU ALL HAVE BEEN CHIPPED.

          • Robert Smith

            Hey Meager Loss… How’s ’bout going for fewer babies instead of demanding more space?

            Ohhhhhhhh, I get it! Not having babies in a religion that says “go forth and multiply” is a perversion, regardless that the managers of that religion are supposed to be cellibut.

            Really Meager Loss, with fewer people through birth control the population problem can be worked out. I think we have enough little Mel Gibsons under running around.

            Rob

          • Kate8

            Hey, RS. You want fewer babies? Well, go tell it to the minorities…the blacks, Hispanics, Islamic and Asian! Because they are the ones reproducing at extremely high rates in order to take everything over! Do you have the guts, or is it too un-PC?

            In case you’ve been under a rock, caucasians have been limiting their families since the ’60s, if they have children at all, and are dying out.

            Where did you come from, anyway?

          • DaveH

            Meager, I can’t even address your ridiculous comment. I feel too sorry for you. I think it’s time for your meds.

            Robert,
            You want fewer babies, you Ignorant Liberal, then get on your fellow Liberals and tell them to quit passing out condoms and encouraging sex amongst the youth. Tell them to quit supporting people for nothing with other peoples’ money so that they have plenty of time and incentive to make more babies which they don’t need to be responsible for.
            And Population size isn’t the blame for our bad economy. It is Big Government that is to blame. You need to tell Hong Kong about that population problem. They have several times the population density of our most densely populated state and still their economy is robust. Yet they spend less than half what the United States spends on Government compared to GDP.

          • eddie47d

            Meager; I got your tongue and cheek metaphor. Dave isn’t in to the war thing but if a few good corporatist wanted to “invade” Canada and annex a little land he might go for that.

          • eddie47d

            Kate8; Sorry,Dave and most conservatives say we can’t give them condoms or birth control,so they keep popping them out. Hooray for the caucasains who are responsible.

        • eddie47d

          Dave I think you know the answer to that one. How many times do you have to be told something? (Why govt.has to interfere). That answer is too obvious.

  • Leo Monte

    what in the #$%#$%#$% does a banking committee have to do with this kind of legislation? honestly…….they are closing in on us to the point where we are going to have to fight to have ANY freedom at all……

  • JeffH

    Ron , good luck in your bid for mayor if you choose to run. Burn baby burn!

    • http://www.windfarms.wordpress.com Ron

      I am running for mayor, Oct.25th. and I encourage others to go after seats at the local level. This mess cannot be changed from the top.

      Get as many to run as possible….overwhelm the status quo.

      Get control of the local level…….from there we can start to throw a monkey-wrench into their plans. Even don’t win you can use the time to educate people. An informed public is the one thing the elite do not want.

      Get control of enough local councils and we can push these Lizards off our land.

      • Robert Smith

        From Ron: >>>I am running for mayor, Oct.25th. <<<

        Congratulations! I'd like to see more of those who are "runnig" for office take drug tests before they make laws agains them.

        Please be sure to wash your hands when you are done, Ron.

        Rob

  • http://mvwind.forumer.com Quixote

    Anyone who says this is not Agenda 21 is either very uninformed or is part of the problem.

    This is basically the Global Governance of Society under the “guise” of a warm and fuzzy pile of rhetoric. It is anything “but” warm and fuzzy”……….want to put some names to it?…….Maurice Strong, Al Gore, Bill Gates, Ban Ki Moon, David Suzuki, George W Bush, Rockefeller, De Rothschild, Prince Charles, among many many others. One thing these people all have in common is the belief they are “superior beings” that have a total hatred for the unwashed and unclean of the world………….their “fellow man”.

    I am running for my local Council in a last ditch effort to rebuild our Democracy from the ground up because the rot is coming from the top down!

  • mmn

    LOOK UP Common Purpose-marxism or communitarian. Obama even used the term common purpose in his last speech

    • Mick

      mmn says:
      September 12, 2010 at 1:09 am
      LOOK UP Common Purpose-marxism or communitarian. Obama even used the term common purpose in his last speech
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      mmn………………….
      The way our society’s mentality is today the only thing I want to hear about the word COMMON is common sense……………

  • Meager Loss

    I am running for the Texas state line before the La. law catches me.

  • usa3rdi

    @carol howell the socialist…. You may get your cookies off with Big Government, but I don’t. Move to Russia!

  • jopa

    The above article looks more like the George H W Bush bill that he has signed according to Mr. Livingston.

  • oldbill

    How soon can we expect this to take place? The trailer is twenty seven years old, and we need a comfortable place in a “safe” urban environment. This sounds like the prefect place to retire. Will be able to get government subsidy or can we rent at a senior discount?

  • Wild Bill

    The second American revoloution begins in November of this year when conservatives take back the house and throw that “botox bitch” pelosi out of the speakers position,right on her wrinkled ass.The revoloution culminates on January 20,2013,when we come to the end of an error and that socialist piece of pig excrement Obama leaves the oval office.I just pray that the American electorate never again falls for the false,empty promises of another smooth talking criminal/socialist of Obama’s ilk.America will survive if we remember and act on the values that have been handed down by the founders.In America ballots are more effective than bullets and the harsh rhetoric that we all use as an outlet for our frustration with an ever expanding,overreaching federal government.In November get out and VOTE,the power of the vote is our strength and our salvation,if we use it wisely.
    Wild Bill
    Alaska

  • David

    All they have to do for an “incentive” to move into their hive of doom is crank up the property tax in rural/subburban areas and lower the city taxes. The could charge so much for property tax that it would cost to much for less the rich to live where it is nice and there is still oxygen to breathe.

  • http://gmail i41

    Socialist democrats get free samples because marxist muslims are the dealers, and blacks and mexicans have it pretty much controlled.

  • JeffH

    Here is a great read about the UN’s Agenda 21 which has everything to do with SB1 619:

    Agenda 21
    The U.N. Plan for Your “Sustainable” Community
    By Berit Kjos – 1998
    Agenda 21, the UN blueprint for global transformation, sounds good to many well meaning people. Drafted for the purpose of creating “sustainable societies”, it has been welcomed by nations around the world. Political, cultural, and media leaders have embraced its alluring visions of social justice and a healthy planet. They hide the lies behind its doomsday scenarios and fraudulent science. Relatively few consider the contrary facts and colossal costs.
    http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles/la21_198.html

  • Marylin Clark

    I do not think President Bush wrote any of this. He likes the country to well. I think the Obama the (a) (h) did this. He get’s your attention and then he has you.. President Bush loves the country to much for something like this. Obama is for killing this country and doing a good job of it. I just hope we get enogh prayers out the for God to help us. WE need to get rid of Obama. There is all kinds of paper work oout there,I don’t know why he is in office.He should be kicked out.

  • Dale Patterson

    Rebellion time, folks!

  • http://www.citizenforfreedom.blogspot.com LASTMANSTANDING

    Carole, did you read these rules being proposed and try to figure out what they mean. You know like how do you accomplish reducing the miles driven to the work place? Could that be you move the workers closer to the work place and bunch them together in housing complexes so you can haul say 50 or 60 of them on one bus? Try again Carole, this time read what your posting and figure out how these things can be done. Or maybe you could just leave the thinking to people who still can.

  • http://cfoster@netptc.net Chloe Foster

    A reminder to fast Eddie: There is a vast difference between a religion that preaches hate and annilation of those who are of a different belief system and Christians who preach love. Name one other religion who wants to wipe a people off of the map other than Islam. And just because murder is committed by someone other than a Muslim does not necessarily mean that murderer is a Christian as you accuse. You are not their judge. You don’t even know what church they belonged to, if any. Liberals accused David Koresh of being a Christian but you will recall, he called himself Christ. You assume far too much because you hate Christians. Please, get a grip!

  • Sophia

    As an American Indian, I have to say…

    WE’VE SEEN THIS SAME THING HAPPEN BEFORE.

  • OneDamnAngryAmerican

    Why not? Lennin did the same thing when he “ruled” Russia. And, it is the same way there today as it was, then. For those who don’t know it, 75% of Russia’s population lives in Moscow. I guess when we all move to DC in a few years, nobody will care about the illegals owning everything west of the Mississippi!

  • http://n/a Nagual2012

    All the world is watching the United States of America. We are all watching because your fate will be our fate. You are the original Land of the Free. The creators of the Constitution are still supporting you today in Spirit. There has only ever been ONE Land of the Free and you are it. Right now you live under oppression and heavy manipulation by those who control the money supply and the political, economic and social ideology of all the world. This is the old paradigm. The one which is almost dead already. Your Freedom is your Birthright as the USA were created to be the Land of the Free. This was its original purpose. Like many other nations, America has accumulated much negative Karma (imbalance in the negative) due to its slaughter of millions of Native American Indians in its pursuit for land and fortune. The current oppression and its painful effects are a direct result of this slaughter. However, this is also the time of Release from Karma via conscious experience of FORGIVENESS and the time of REVELATION. Even the bible speaks of it and I am not religious. Revelation means that the TRUTH shall be revealed and all lies shall be uncovered. This is already apparent everywhere. This blog right here is one such place where Truth and lies are discussed and revealed. All it takes is for all Americans to collectively forgive yourselves for the heavy energy of guilt which stems from the sins of your forefathers and currently sticks to your energy bodies like glue and collectively say NO to the manipulations and oppression of your government. To declare collectively that the United States of America stands truly united within the framework of its existing Constitution. That’s it. No violence or resistance is needed. Violence can never eliminate violence. Only the practice of peace can. To be at peace, one must be in the present. Guilt, resentment and anger draws the mind and the emotions into the past and creates images within us of an equally painful future. Thus we create the world we live in on every level. If you all say no, “they” can’t do anything. No need for self protection with guns, squirreling yourselves away in a “safe haven” waiting for the so-called “powers that be” to try and get you, no need to live in fear. Stand UNITED and prevail. Divide and fall, which will mean the rest of us will follow suit, sooner or later. Stand UNITED and declare a unified NO, then kick out all your banks, most especially the Federal Reserve and dissolve all laws other than the Constitution. The Constitution is a complete set of instructions for the functioning of a healthy society that honours each individual and respects freedom while clearly stating what personal and collective responsibilities this freedom entails. America, you need nothing more than to stand UNITED and say NO. The nature of all reality is CHOICE. If you act like victims you will always attract perpetrators. That’s the nature of attraction, another cosmic law, like karma and free will. It is also TRUTH. If you wish to see a different, healthy, holistic and honourable structure in your Land of the Free, then you must act like Creators. It also says in the bible that we were created in God’s image. This is what it means in practical terms. We were all born to create and all of us individually create our individual lives and we collectively create life and our total experience of it on this good Mother Earth of ours every single moment. There is no one to blame. There is simply a choice: either practice victimhood/fear or conscious creation/Love. Please choose wisely. All is connected. All of humanity is ONE. What befalls you America, will befall all of us. Your original Birthright is Freedom. Change starts from within. So be free within, Fellow Humans of America. Shed your yoke of oppression and servitude and be the positive loving powerful wise and free Creators you were born to be. Say NO and PRACTICE what you wish to see in your world every moment of every day! :)

  • ARNOLD CARL TAPP

    WOW ! AND DOUBLE WOW ! ! THIS ISSUE HAS DRAWN MORE COMMENTS THAN ANYTHING EVER SEEN BEFORE .PATRIOTIC AMERICAN CITIZENS WILL NOT HAVE ANY OF THIS STUPID GARBAGE REQUIREMENT . CAROLE HOWELL IS OBVIOUSLY A GOVERNMENT PLANT AND SHILL FOR OBUMMER AND HIS SOCIALIST AGENDA . SHE WASTED A HUGE SPACE TRYING TO CONVINCE US THAT ” THE PLAN ” WOULD BE GOOD FOR US .
    AMERICANS ~ WAKE UP AND RESIST . EVERY PLAN AND ACT AND APPOINMENT MADE BY OBOZO HAS BEEN HORRIBLY BAD FOR US , AND MUST BE REPEALED . THE BEST WAY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT IS TH REMOVE OBUMMER AND HIS SOCIALIST CRONIES AS SOON AS POSSIBLE . HE IS NOT ELIGIBLE FOR THE OFFICE HE HAS USURPED AND OCCUPIED BY FRAUD , LIKES AND TREASON GET ALL THE INFO YOU CAN
    FROM ” WORLD NET DAILY ” , NEWSMAX ” AND OTHER SOURCES OF TRUTH IN REPORTING , IMCLUDING ” IMPEACH OBAMA CAMPAIGN ” GO TO THE PAGE OF A MAN WHO OWNS A KENYAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE FOR OBOZO , AND READ AT LEAST 6 PAGES BACK , WATCH THE VIDEOS AND BECOM,E INVOLVED TO SAVE OUR REPUBLIC . http://www.youtube.com/inspectorsmith

  • smg45acp

    Does anybody else remember the high rise projects that the government geniuses built back in the hayday of the Great Society?
    All of those multi-million dollar fiascoes have been demolished.

    I lived just a few blocks from one such development.
    The police where scared to inside of those things.
    The tenants [offensive word removed] in the elevators and hallways.
    Every single mailbox had it’s door ripped off.
    Going outside at night was a death sentence.
    The murder and crime rate was off the charts.

    It was a stupid idea then and it’s a stupid idea now.
    I actually wouldn’t mind living in such a place IF and only If, there was total crime control.
    Robbers and vandals received the death sentence. IF law abiding citizens could openly carry weapons and use them on criminals without fear from the police.
    If loud and trashing neighbors were thrown out after only two complaints.

    Then such an arrangement would be workable. But shoving all the drug dealers, drug addicts and the unemployable into a small compact place is just a recipe for disaster.
    And that’s not theory or prediction, we have cold hard facts to prove it.

  • smg45acp

    http://www.kchistory.org/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/Eldridge&CISOPTR=29&CISOBOX=1&REC=8

    Look at that photograph, taken in 1962, beautiful isn’t it?
    When I lived nearby in 1968 there wasn’t a single blade of grass left.
    Abandoned cars littered the parking lots. Originally each building had a shop on the bottom floor, like a beauty parlor or convenience store.
    None of those lasted three months. Windows were broken everyday, doors kicked in almost everyday. The police could have just set up shop there, because they were called almost hourly.

    Yes, the social engineers know just what they are doing.
    They were finally dynamited to the ground.
    Unfortunately, they were emptied first.

  • freedom nomad

    united we stand , so why cant we all get on the same page ?

  • kevin

    My fellow Americans,the bottom line is;we are at war with the progressive/socialist agenda.It’s time for all patriotic constitution abiding Americans to stand up and be counted. Only by showing our superior numbers will the progressives take us seriously.If our brother Glenn Beck can draw a half million patriots to the national mall then we know we stand a chance. However, a half million isn’t even close to being enough to make the progressive/socialists stand down.All freedom loving Americans need to gather in D.C.with their guns ready to show these freedom haters we mean business.I’m not saying we should go looking for a fight,just that we need to show these anti-American pricks that we will fight if we are forced to do so.I don’t advocate the overthrow of our gov’t only the overHAUL of our gov’t.It’s time to return the USA to it’s constitutional legitimacy as set forth by our brilliant founders.I say we should establish the goal of convening in D.C. on 7/4/11 at least ten million strong to truly once and for all take back our country and restore honor and the constitution.I truly hope we can restore our greatness as a nation with non violence and no loss of life,but at this time I’m not very optimistic.As the great Thomas Jefferson said;”the tree of liberty needs to be restored from time to time with the blood of tyrants and patriots.”I would rather die fighting to remain free than to live as someones slave/or subject.I WILL fight to ensure my kids get to grow up and live as free Americans.Who will stand with me?Will you be able to look your children in the eye and say you did everything in your power to keep them free?My parents can’t.They and most from their generation did absolutely nothing to stop LBJ and his “great society”,they did absolutely nothing to stop Jimmy Carter from establishing the Department of “Education”.Inaction is not an option for those who wish to see the next generation be free and enjoy the fruit of the liberty tree.I leave you with this mandate;QUESTION AUTHORITY/TAKE ACTION!God bless you all and God bless the USA.

    • denniso

      I’m guessing that you have been educated at the lap of Limbaugh and Savage. Your ‘great Thomas Jefferson’ was a slave owning pedophile and fathered children w/ one of his girl slaves. You people should be outraged about that and shouldn’t still be clinging to Jefferson. Me,
      I’m one of those tolerant ‘pricks’ tyou don’t like much and I forgive Jefferson to a point, except for the pedophilia and not freeing his slaves and his own children upon his death.

      • kevin

        Well denniso,Thomas Jefferson was GREAT even though he abided by what was socially acceptable in his time.If you’re a leftist, then you are an intolerant prick,but it’s never too late to see the light and change.As for Limbaugh and Savage;I don’t listen to either one of them.I have read a couple of Savage’s books though,and it may surprise you to know that I don’t agree with him on more than a few things.If you have PROOF of Jefferson being a pedophile I’d be interested to see it.However I doubt you do since you leftists don’t deal in facts,only accusations and name calling.In conclusion I guess I’m just a racist homophobic xenophobe.

        • Jamie

          Dear gOd, Kevin. “Socailly acceptable norms”???? How convenient it is to call the selling and buying of humans a ” socailly acceptable norm” ……as though we have no conscience that dictates our actions but rather we allow the group mentality to govern them.

          This is in no way an excusable offense. It speaks volumes of your consciousness and integrity that you could even find an excuse for this deplorable act. I wonder how tolerant we would be if it was one of our great grandmothers that suffered this atrocity. That any human could even THINK that the trade of human trafficking is or was acceptable and tolerable says a great deal of the character of this person.

          Monkey see, monkey do?

          Jefferson was a wealthy, land owning elite long before he made it to the “presidency”. This alone is a testament to the veracity of his true intent and character. Like most elites they have little compassion or love for those they deem beneath their “stations”. His actions proved this.
          A “great” man? Great men do not hide behind nor wield to “socially accpetable norms”; they speak out against them and act in accordance with a higher law that forbids the corruption of their person through engaging in egregious behaviors.

          You have been brainwashed dear child, but, all is not over yet. There is still tme for you to educate yourself through opening your mind and heart.

          I ask you this, Kevin. Do you think that if Jefferson had thought with his heart as well as with his mind he could never have thought it acceptable to own humans? I think so. My heart would never allow me to commit an act of cruelty…….”socially accpetable” or not.

          I leave you with wise words from the mouths of two truly great men named Voltaire and Khrishnamurthy;
          Voltaire, ” Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities”.
          Krishnamurthy; ” It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society”.

          Do mankind a favor, Kevin, and go into the “wilderness” to find wisdom/truth. You are that important and will affect great change if you do.
          Good luck, Kevin. I’ll see you when you reach the summit.

          • Jamie

            I mean’t “yield’, not “wield”.

        • Jamie

          I found some info on Jefferson being a Pedo, Kevin. Sally Hemings was 14 or 15 when Jefferson abused her. That would certainly qualify him as a pedophile. http://www.gale.cengage.com/free_resources/whm/bio/heming_s.htm

          • libertytrain

            In 18th Century England, 12 was considered the “age of consent” – I don’t know what it was in this country at that time but wouldn’t doubt it would be the same or even less than England.

          • Jamie

            Libertytrain, how many children make policy? Sit at the head of board rooms? Hold office??? Ever?

            Seeing as children do NOT nor have they ever had the ability to “consent” to anything other than what they were told or mandated to do by “aadults” would make the word “consent” seem little more than a formality……created by pedophiles.

            I have four sons and if ever there came a time or a moment that “lawmakers” decided my child was of the age to “consent” to have intercourse I would take the law into my own hands. A child’s innocence is to be protected….not abused.

            A time period has nothing to do with the way people feel or think. People did not think this appropriate because it was 1257 but rather because some perverse human thought it into policy or practice. Times are tough because people create the toughness….not the other way around.

            I ask you to go back and read my post to Kevin citing the wisdom of Khrishnamurthy;
            ” It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society”.

            I can see your rationale, though, libertytrain. We do no different today. If someone says that it is quite alright to kill someone as long as they do so under the guise of “warfare” then it is sanctioned….just like having intercourse with little children way back in the day.

            We must evolve past these ignorances and yet many regress….again and again and again using historical references.

          • libertytrain

            Jamie – I’m on your side – however, I believe the time frame did make a difference back in the long ago days. Even the average life span was about 35-41 in the 18th century – time was of the essence – I would guess that they did have a different perspective on the age of consent in different centuries and for different reasons than we understand at the present time —

    • Butch

      Kevin, if we got rid of socialism entirely, we’d have to disband the armed forces (the largest social program by federal budget item). That may not necessarily be a bad thing, but we would probably wind up replacing it with a local warlord/militia system. Maybe a bit of anarchy is a good thing.

  • Tiffany

    Here’s an idea…why don’t all states become single and separate states (no federal just separate entities…like countries)? I get back approx. 4k for a fed tax refund and only approx. 200 in state taxes. How about each state does it’s own thing then we can split right down the middle to 2k for the state none for the feds. Individual states will then be better able to take care of their citizens needs. Smaller states will be more in tune with what their citizens need.

    Let’s face it, federal programs have bottomed out. They have spent all of our money on bogus programs that will go NO WHERE. We will never see the bailout money again. AIG already said they are not going to pay the money back. According to AIG’s website, (aigcorporate.com/GIinAIG/owedtoUS_gov_new.html), AIG admits to owing the gov 132.1 billion dollars (excuse me…owes US!) According to commodityonline.com, the updated bail out averaged out to $17,000+ per household! That’s 17k that WE are never gonna see again. 17K that THEY threw to the wind, and for what? A broken system. We gave them our money, wether we wanted to or not, and while we are busting our humps trying to survive and take care of our families, they are throwing parties.

    If every state would just back out and say “You know what…We can do this without you” We would all be much better off. We would still have interstate trading and alliances, just no Big Brother.

    ~Just an Idea =) an ideal idea I admit but *sigh* if only

  • Dorothy

    Re-wilding has a lot to do with the push to make us live inside circles.

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=could-re-wilding-avert-6th-great-extinction
    http://tinyurl.com/yaemw74

    “…Conservation biologists have developed a number of methods for restoring the balance between ourselves and nature, for saving biodiversity. The most exciting and promising of these methods is rewilding. Proposing conservation and ecological restoration on a scale previously unimagined, rewilding has become a principal method for designing, connecting, and restoring protected areas—the ultimate weapon in the fight against fragmentation. Michael Soulé and a colleague, Reed Noss, formulated the essence of the new discipline in a 1998 paper, “Rewilding and Biodiversity: Complementary Goals for Continental
    Conservation.” In it, they boiled the requirements down to three words: “Cores, Corridors, and Carnivores.” Core protected areas had long been a feature of conservation design, but Soulé and Noss described national parks and wildlife refuges as only the beginning, the kernels from which larger, mightier protected areas must grow. Cores, they argued, must be continental in scale, preserving entire ecosystems: mountain forests, grasslands, tundra, savannah. Corridors were necessary to reestablish links between cores, because isolation and fragmentation of wilderness areas erode biodiversity: They enabled wildlife to migrate and disperse. And carnivores were crucial to maintaining the
    regulatory mechanisms keeping ecosystems healthy, harking back to those chaparral canyons. …”

    We will be in the cages and the animals will roam free.

    • denniso

      I hope you’re joking…People already live in cages. Houses,offices,cars. A few people actually go out into nature and they enjoy it ‘wild’, the more so the better. Humans have for hundreds of yrs and continue to destroy and controll nature. Animals are at our mercy and we should do much better in letting nature exist
      as it can w/o our destructive interference.

  • spepper

    “HELL NO WE WON’T GO!”

    –famous protest chant from Viet Nam anti-war protest days– equally applies here I think–

  • http://yahoo.com danlee

    Do you think that these laws can be enforced with out a full scale civil war. I dont think so. LOCK and LOAD.

  • http://None R.C,

    An idea whose time has come.

    REAL TRUE FREEDOM
    It really amazes me how blind and brain dead We The People really are and still believe that we are a free people under our Constitutional system of government. We are educated to believe that “We The People” are the Sovereigns and our elected officials are our “public servants,” so we are told. The question arises in my mind “HOW CAN A SERVANT HAVE THE POWER TO ENACT LAWS, RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT WE SOVEREIGNS MUST OBEY??? It appears to me that if the “servant” has that kind of power then he/she must be the Sovereign and “we the people” the servants = (slaves). If there was ever an oxy-moron this is it. A “servant”never tells his/her master what he/she can or cannot do, yet our Constitution endorses this type system of government. The truth is our present system of government is nothing more then an ILLUSION of freedom and boy have we been deceived! “Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.” (Charlie Reese). It is time for a change and I would like to offer the following concept of what a really free system of government should be. Two (2) things need to be done.
    The Remedy:
    (1) Recognize who is the enemy of our so-called “freedoms.” The enemy is the U.S. Congress, State Legislatures, County Boards and City Councils and govt. agencies at all levels of govt., all “law-making” bodies that are constantly churning out all kinds of restrictions (laws) on our enumerated “freedoms” that in actuality really doesn’t exist anymore. Furthurmore these “public servants” then turn around and beg We The People to “finance” their campaign so they can get elected and vote themselves “benefits” that are much better then what they give We Sovereigns. Are you starting to have doubts about who the “real” Sovereigns are? If not you should be.
    Every time a law is enacted at any level of govt., this constitutes a restriction on our “alleged” freedoms and an invasion of our collective wealth!
    We need to make a couple of changes in our Constitution by calling for a Constitutional Convention to abolish Congress, State Legislatures, County Boards, and City Councils and institute the following short sentence in their place; “DO NO MAN OR WOMAN HARM IN THEIR PERSON OR THEIR PROPERTY.” Please take note that this one short sentence entails “personal responsibility” for all one says and does in his/her interactions with others, a long lost quality that we Americans once had and lost due to “laws” enacted by our “public servants” at all levels of govt. This is the only principle we need to resolve any and all issues that may arise be they criminal or civil. It constitutes Sovereigns dealing with Sovereigns and NOT Sovereigns being subject to the whims of “public servants.” We as a united people have become slaves to “public servants” and “political correctness” where freedom of speech and thought is subtly controlled and We The People have bought into it lock, stock and barrel. Shame on us!
    (2) Abolish the American Legal System and in its place institute Common-Law where randomly picked citizens sit as a jury to hear civil complaints and criminal cases. The jury is the sole power. This kind of jury would have the power to question the litigants directly and when satisified they have enough info to render a decision they retire to render that decision in a civil case and a verdict in a criminal case. No biased judges; No costly lawyers, done away with entirely. The jury has no more power after they render a decision in the case before them and are thanked and dismissed. All the present enumerated crimes would remain intact as a crime is still a crime. A Grand Jury would be called upon to hear appeals, They also would be randomly picked for just one appeal.
    Remember, “We The People” retain the right to change our form of govt. I sincerely believe that if We The People adopted this form of government we would be the envy of the whole world. Americans wouldn’t be burdened down with tons of dos and don’ts and we would truly be self-governed by being personally responsible to each other in all our associations and dealings without being “regulated” to death by an all powerful government. of “servants.” The phrase GOD BLESS AMERICA would once again have sincere meaning in our hearts and minds and “WE THE PEOPLE” would really be self governed.
    I am not suggesting we abolish our beloved Constitution, but rather through a constitutional convention amend the Constitution as enumerated above and the only law, i.e. principle is taking “personal responsibility” for everything you say and do. This type
    system of govt. would be the epitome of what governments should be.Thats it. Very simple. Could anyone ask for more.

    Thank you for your time.
    R.C.
    dingusmcgeesr1@aol.com
    Houston, TX

    • Jamie

      Here, here! Well said! People are waking to the reality of our situation. We created this so we can uncreate it and the only way to do this to to wake up.

      I’m ready to abolish the current paradigm.

  • http://www.g-kexoticfarms.com anthony

    3 votes. 1 to pass it. 2nd vote, who is coming to enforce it. 3rd vote, who is coming to scrape up the one that tried to enforce it.

  • Mitch

    I’m a Canadian, but I’ve been trying to pay as close attention to whats taking shape South of the border for only a few months now. I do that becasue with a Conservative government up here thats obsessed with policing and security and building prisons, I imagine it won’t be long before we’re seeing it happen. I can say with certainty that the only way Im being carried from my rural home is in a pine box by those types of people, with a good chance one or two of them are in a bag along side me.

  • Bill Rind

    I have on word for that scumbag piece of dog S_ _ T Dodd, Go — Yourself, Their aint no one moving me off my land. I would rather die then to be forced into camps. Bring it on with the police or whomever has the testicles to move me. Their will be much blood shed and it isn’t going to be mine.

  • Loran Draco

    These New World Order bastards need to be rounded up
    and executed. PERIOD.

    And NO they will NOT get “a fair trial.” I won’t so
    much as grant these scum a last request.

  • Jamie

    The problem lies within our utter ignorance and compliance with the system. Pray tell, what is a “Senator”??? Define this term to see if it even applies to what we currently have seated in our respective districts.
    We have given over our personal inegrity and power to these Prostitutes. I do not use this word lightly as it is relevant. Here is the definition from the Merriam-Webster dictionary; “Definition of PROSTITUTE
    2: to devote to corrupt or unworthy purposes : debase
    — pros·ti·tu·tor-ˌtü-tər, -ˌtyü- noun
    Examples of PROSTITUTE
    a writer who prostituted his talents by writing commercials
    <a serious writer prostituting himself by writing pulp novels for money"

    Call my 2 Senators? For the majority of these bottom feeders they are completely corrupt. It would be a waste of my precious time and energy.

    If you really want to see change then be the change you wish to see.

    1) Do not accept anyone as your personal authority.
    2) Develop discrimmination
    3) Develop your ability to think independently of the television, newspaper, history book, magazine, current "authority" figures
    4) Think with your heart as well as your mind
    5)Never abdicate personal authority to structures and intitutions of "power", e.g. church, government, medical cartel, and other "authoritative bodies that effect your life on the most profound levels.

    Senators??? Where?

  • http://yahoo.com Lori

    I was born country and in my heart, I will always be country. They can try to put me in a big city after the fight. I am afraid of where this president is taking us. I think that AMERICA. We should never have put him in the white house. Now who is regreting their actions.
    I am not one of theese so called liberals and will never be. I don’t like where this president is taking us. You look at the job market. Everybody is suffering and forcing the people to move back to the big cities. People have forgotten how to servive and get back on track. Why do you think there are so many survival shows comming out on TV. I am not blind and I think that the world needs to open their eyes. Sociaty is being forced to move, but not if sociaty knows how to survive. With out a convienant store on the next corner people have forgotten the way of out ancestors. I did not like the fact that they put Obama in the white house. They sould paint it black because thats the way the this country is going.
    Sociaty has forgotten about the constitution and I think that president Obama needs to READ THAT BOOK AGAIN.
    If he hasn’t read it already he needs to READ IT!

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  • leofa

    it’s ok for king b hussein obama, clinton, and gore to have a caravan of armored lincoln town car limos and SUVs that get 5.5 MPG. the sheeple need to take the bus or metro though and live the way the chinese do (like rats in a box.) that way the sheeple are easier to keep under control

    “this is the greatest infrastructure in the world” B Hussein Obama addressing the world at the olympic games in beijing china (referring to their wonderful way of life). does anyone remember the traffic jams in china earlier this year when traffic into and out of their cities was stopped for days and food rotted on the trucks?

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  • MATT

    I SAW FIRSTHAND HOW THE UN…CAN ROYALLY SCREW THINGS UP WHILE I WAS OVERSEAS (GERMANY)ONLY SOMEONE WHO IS REALLY WEALTHY CAN AFFORD A HOME….SOME PEOPLE ARE BORN PAYING RENT….AND WILL DIE PAYING RENT…”STACKED ON TOP OF EACH OTHER LIKE CHICKENS!!….UP AND DOWN EVERY ROAD YOU WILL SEE SIGNS ALONG THE WAY THAT SIMPLY SHOW 2 LETTERS…UN….THOSE SIGNS INDICATE THAT THE PROPERTY NEXT TO THEM IS NOT PRIVATLY OWNED…BUT IS OWNED BY (YOU GUESSED IT)….IF YOU ARE A FARMER OVER THERE…YOU HAVE TO APPLY FOR A PERMIT TO CUT WOOD OFF YOUR LAND!!!!….IT TAKES THREE VERY WEALTHY PEOPLE TO BUY AND OWN 5 ACRES OF GROUND OVER THERE..(AND THEY WILL TRUCK FARM EVERY INCH OF IT!!!!)I KNOW THAT AFTER WORLD WAR II..THE US HAS PUMPED ‘QUAD ZILLIONS’ INTO THAT COUNTRY TO REBUILD IT….THE FUNDS WAS CHANNELED THRU THE UN..A PILOT PROGRAM WAS PUT INTO MOTION BACK IN 1990 (HERE IN THE US)…THIS PILOT WAS TO TEST THESE THEORYS IN SOUTH CAROLINA….MOSTLY A BLACK COMMUNITY..STARTED OUT BY CONDEMING THE SEPTICLAGOON SYSTEMS….THEN THE PRIVATE WELLS…THEN FINNALLY BY CONDEMING THEIR HOUSES!! ALL THE WHILE MAKING IT “VERY ATTRACTIVE” FOR THESE FOLKS TO ‘TAKE THE BAIT’ AND MOVE CLOSER IN TO TOWN….THEY PUT THIS INTO ACTION….AND THEY FOUND OUT THAT YES IT CAN/AND WILL WORK!!!….THE UN HAS TAKEN CONTROL OF SOME OF AMERICAS NATURAL TREASURES..(CAN WE SAY YELLOWSTONE??)…THEY ARE STEADFASTLY AT WORK ON OUR WATERWAYS….SCENIC ROUTES…MOST FOLKS WILL NOT BELIEVE THAT!!…TRY CONVINCING A MIDWEST CATTLEMAN…DAIRYMAN….OR RANCHER THAT THE UN IS “NO THREAT”!!!!..(GOOD LUCK!!!)…ITS COMING AND THINGS WILL GET WORSE…LARGE GROUPS WITH TONS OF MISGUILDED SUPPORTERS (AND BANKROLLS TO BOOT)ACTUALLY ARE WORKING FOR THE OVER ALL “PLAN” (AND MOST DON’T EVEN KNOW IT)…BLIND FAITH IN YOUR LEADERS CAN GET YOU KILLED!!

  • John Martin

    You people are SO racist. This whole paranoia about being “forced” to live in “cities” is code for forced to live with black people. None of you have bothered to read the bill- even when someone posted the actual bill right on this page. You’d rather carry on with your ignorance and allow yourselves to be baited with not-too cleverly disguised racist fear mongering. You’re all pathetic.

    • libertytrain

      I think there are holes in your argument – I live in the country in the South and I can tell you there are plenty of black folks here that have no problem with me living in the area.

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  • texastwin827

    This bill has 22 c0-sponsors

    COSPONSORS(22), ALPHABETICAL [followed by Cosponsors withdrawn]: (Sort: by date)

    DEMOCRAT Sen Akaka, Daniel K. [HI] – 8/6/2009
    DEMOCRAT Sen Bennet, Michael F. [CO] – 8/6/2009
    DEMOCRAT Sen Brown, Sherrod [OH] – 8/5/2010
    DEMOCRAT Sen Cardin, Benjamin L. [MD] – 6/17/2010
    DEMOCRAT Sen Casey, Robert P., Jr. [PA] – 11/17/2010
    DEMOCRAT-MAJORITY WHIP Sen Durbin, Richard [IL] – 8/5/2010
    DEMOCRAT Sen Franken, Al [MN] – 1/28/2010
    DEMOCRAT Sen Gillibrand, Kirsten E. [NY] – 5/24/2010
    DEMOCRAT Sen Harkin, Tom [IA] – 11/6/2009
    DEMOCRAT Sen Landrieu, Mary L. [LA] – 10/27/2009
    DEMOCRAT Sen Lautenberg, Frank R. [NJ] – 6/10/2010
    DEMOCRAT Sen Levin, Carl [MI] – 7/12/2010
    INDEPENDENT-DEMOCRAT TURNCOAT Sen Lieberman, Joseph I. [CT]- 3/16/2010
    DEMOCRAT Sen Menendez, Robert [NJ] – 8/6/2009
    DEMOCRAT Sen Merkley, Jeff [OR] – 8/6/2009
    DEMOCRAT Sen Reed, Jack [RI] – 6/8/2010
    SELF DESCRIBED “DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST” Sen Sanders, Bernard [VT] – 9/15/2010
    DEMOCRAT Sen Schumer, Charles E. [NY] – 8/6/2009
    DEMOCRAT Sen Shaheen, Jeanne [NH] – 9/28/2010
    REPUBLICAN TURNCOAT Sen Specter, Arlen [PA] – 6/17/2010
    DEMOCRAT Sen Warner, Mark R. [VA] – 8/5/2010
    DEMOCRAT Sen Wyden, Ron [OR] – 5/18/2010

    That’s enough Liberal to fill a lake…tells me it can’t be good for everyday Americans!

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