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So You Think You Are Free?

September 3, 2012 by  

So You Think You Are Free?
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So you think you are free? After all, we have a Constitution with a Bill of Rights that “preserves” our freedoms.

So you think you’re free? Ask Brandon Raub what life in a free country is like. He was kidnapped from his home by the FBI, Secret Service and local police over Facebook posts in which he questioned 9/11 and accused the Bush family of committing crimes. He was held for a week with no charges and had a psychiatrist threaten to medicate and brainwash him.

He’s not alone. John Whitehead of the Rutherford Institute, who gained Raub’s release, says calls coming into his organization reveal a pattern of abuse.

In fact, veterans of the perpetual Mideast wars are increasingly being targeted by the state as needing psychological evaluation. That’s because many of them come home and challenge the official line of the wars’ results. The Department of Homeland Security has for years been laying the groundwork toward branding dissent as terrorism and naming veterans as possible ring leaders. Using charges of psychosis or nuttery is one way the state marginalizes dissenters.

But free speech Nazis aren’t just operating in the Federal government. They’re everywhere… especially in schools. Ask Brianna Gentry what it’s like to live in a free country. She was almost kicked out of school because she had a photograph of her military brother and her softball team on a binder cover. When her mother pointed out to school officials that nothing in the school’s rules forbade photographs, the school relented — on the photo of her brother. The softball team was verboten.

Schools are now banning T-shirts with slogans… especially those with Christian slogans. Educators have become the most ridiculous of all bureaucrats. They’ve gotten so ridiculous that now they’re offended by the way a deaf student “signs” his name.

An essence of a free society is property rights. Americans think they can own property. Fail to pay your annual tribute to the king (property taxes) and see who owns it. Or try to fill in a pond (or dig one), knock down a hill (or build one), cut some timber (or plant some), or raise livestock or bees or some other animal other than the state-approved dog or cat and don’t be surprised if a Federal, State or local regulator comes along and puts an injunction on your plans and takes you to court… or has you arrested. Many cities and towns are even citing people over the shrubbery and flowers they plant (or don’t) and flags they fly (or don’t).

Do you own some undeveloped or run-down property? Watch out. Thanks to the Supreme Court, municipalities can just take it away if they think they can give it to someone else to develop so more taxes can be collected on it.

Collecting water falling out of the sky is now a crime. Guy Harrington says he had the necessary permits for his reservoirs, but the State revoked them arbitrarily. Permits? For a pond? When you have to ask the king for permission to put a pond on your own property, that property is not yours. You are merely squatting.

Do you own a gun? Be careful what you say, especially if you’re Christian. A gun grab is under way. The recent shootings in Aurora, Colo., and Milwaukee were false flag operations designed to provide a launch pad for gun control discussions.

Operation Fast and Furious is another false flag implemented to provide cover for an Obama gun grab. Before the scandal broke, I told you how Attorney General Eric Holder was using increased gun violence in Mexico to push for a ban on so-called assault weapons. Then we learned that Holder was responsible for the increased gun violence by encouraging the sale of guns to Mexican drug cartels through straw purchasers in OFF (see Ben Crystal’s reports on OFF here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and here).

The Department of Homeland Security has released a number of Orwellian videos like this one encouraging Americans to spy on one another and tattle like school kids. The result has been people reporting to authorities all sorts of legal activities that “concern” them — like the Pittsburgh father who was charged with child endangerment and subjected to a child protective services investigation because he left his children to play in a park (something kids have been doing for generations). In Virginia, letting kids play outside unsupervised got a mom a visit from police.

Totalitarian government bureaucrats (Federal and State) have made war on people who want to grow and eat natural foods, drink raw milk or take natural supplements. In fact, a Wisconsin judge has ruled people in that State have “no fundamental right” to consume any food, own or use dairy cows, or consume milk their cows produce unless they first get government permission. Even your pigs have to be a State-approved color.

Do you think you are free? Try avoiding State-mandated forced vaccinations for your children. Without the approved number of lifetime injections of mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde and other contaminants it’s almost impossible to get those children into the government indoctrination system known as public (un)education.

As Maryanne Godboldo and Kenneth and Erin Stieler learned, parents have little say in decisions about their children’s healthcare. If some pointy-headed, pencil-pushing, know-it-all government bureaucrat thinks he knows more than you (and most bureaucrats think they do) and you balk at his “omniscient” decision, jackbooted thug government enforcers will just knock your door off its hinges and take your child away.

But don’t think you can film their thuggish behavior. Doing so can get you beaten or shot with a Taser and locked up. Or, if it’s your lucky day, maybe you’ll get off with just a body-cavity search.

All across America, children’s lemonade stands are being shut down and people trying to hand out food and drinks to the needy find themselves under the boot of the growing thugocracy quaintly known as benevolent government out to ensure your safety. Since it’s done for our own good, we’re supposed to silently comply.

We live in an America in which the President can assassinate U.S. citizens on a whim. Thanks to the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), Americans can just disappear into gulags, never to be charged and never to be tried. A judge issued an injunction to stop it, but President Barack Obama’s legal team won’t say whether the injunction is being obeyed. Of course, ignoring the law and court orders is standard operating procedure for the Marxist White House usurper and thug in chief.

We live in an America in which a growing band of criminal perverts fondle, grope and take naked photographs of us at airports, bus stops and train stations. We live in an America in which these same government goons are now holding checkpoints to ensure we have our proper papers.

We live in an America our Founding Fathers wouldn’t recognize. They certainly wouldn’t approve of it.

America, land of the free? Hardly.

“But, Bob,” you say, “the mere fact that you can publish this proves you’re free.”

No. It proves only that the oligarchs haven’t yet found a satisfactory way to reign in the Internet revolution. But it’s not because they’re not trying.

John Adams said: “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” Yet God has been pushed out of the schools, the governments and even out of most churches. Want to see the atheists, secularists, leftists and statist bureaucrats go crazy? Let your kid take a Bible to school to read between classes.

The rights of Americans do not come from the Constitution. They come from God. The Constitution merely acknowledges them. It puts restraints on the government to prevent it from trying to take them away. Most Americans have forgotten — or ignored — that.

We must elect only “moral and religious people” to office. Until we do, tyranny will prosper.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • DaveH

    Come on, Bob. Just because I don’t believe in your god doesn’t make me an enemy of Freedom.

    • Michael J.

      DaveH,
      Like you, I am not a believer. But I will defend to the death the rights of others to practice a benevolent religion.

      In accordance with John Adams statement, the laws of our republic were dependent upon a moral compass provided by a Judeo Christian upbringing. Adams recognized this as a vulnerability that others were bound to make use of.

      At the risk of sounding like a broken record, It is Political Correctness that has done the most damage by infiltrating almost every aspect of our society as it was designed to do.

      • lola

        You are so RIGHT ON, Michael! God bless you and our beloved Country! PC ~ Pure Crap! it has done great harm to our Country and its getting worse. We must restore the Virtues we once had and return to the teaching of The Root of this Country. it is the Roots that give nourishment to the body no matter how far away it is from the root.

      • Peter

        Michael, you are absolutely correct! As I’ve said on these pages before, political correctness is that process which suggests it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. It is absolute stupidity and the ultimate in pseudo-academic childishness.
        It will destroy and is destroying all of western civilization.

      • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

        Michael,

        There is no conflict of science with religion.

        There are many conflicts with dogmatic religionists and dogmatic scientists, who ignore experimental evidence for the powerful force [1] at the core of the Sun that;

        1. First made our elements,
        2. Gave birth to the world five billion years (~5 Gyr) ago,
        3. Sustained the beginning of life (~3.5 Gyr) ago, and its evolution
        4. Endowed mankind with unusual talents and inalienable rights, and
        5. Now extends from the Sun’s core, ~120 AU beyond planet Earth [Nature 489, 20-21 (2012)]

        http://www.nature.com/news/voyager-s-long-goodbye-1.11348

        For reasons given here ( http://omanuel.wordpress.com/about/#comment-1615 ), Maurice Strong, Al Gore, the UN’s IPCC, and world leaders tried to enslave the world with a post-1945 version of Stalin’s USSR directing us to the UN’s Agenda 21 (the UN’s own site is down for pre-election maintenance)

        http://www.crossroad.to/text/articles/la21_198.html

        We have been blessed to watch this classic drama unfold.

        With deep regrets,
        - Oliver K. Manuel
        Former NASA Principal
        Investigator for Apollo

        [1] “Neutron repulsion,” The Apeiron Journal 19, 123-150 (2012): http://tinyurl.com/7t5ojrn

    • FreedomFighter

      “Do you own a gun? Be careful what you say, especially if you’re Christian.”

      You should ask yourself this Dave: Why is the Islamic faith pushed? They burn christians, hang gays, enslave women, murder, lie, steal and kill all those not Islamic.

      vs

      Peacefull Christians are attacked, demonized by media, slammed in schools and ridiculed by Hollywood and the News Media.

      Its because the satanic elite dont give a rats arse what you believe, they fight for satan and dispise Christians and our God. Just the way it is. All spelled out in the Bible.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • Robert Young

        Very true FreedomFighter. Islam is an ideology with religious overtures. Practice of this ideology should not be allowed in the United States nor should Sharia Law.

      • DaveH

        Robert,
        You are one of the Propagandized. I don’t say that in a mean way, as we have all been severely Propagandized. Yes, there are pushy Controlling Islamics, but there are also pushy Controlling Christians. There are Controlling people in every faith and non-faith, and it is that which we must be ever-vigilant to weed out if we want a Free Society.
        As soon as you talk about banning one religion or the other, you have forsaken the Principles of Freedom.
        Islamics have been understandably hostile to the US, because our Government has been overtly or covertly messing in their countries for well over 50 years now. Wouldn’t you be pissed if they were doing that to our country?
        Here is just one of many examples:
        http://www.iranchamber.com/history/coup53/coup53p1.php
        Virtually every war we’ve been in has been for economic reasons, not for Freedom preservation as they Propagandize people to believe.
        Think about this, Robert:
        In 2000 Iraq began selling its oil in euros.
        In 2006 Syria switched all of the state’s foreign currency transactions to euros from dollars.
        In 2009 Iran completely stopped conducting oil transactions in U.S. dollars.
        In 2011 Libyan Leader Ghadafi decided to to pursue a gold standard and reject dollars for oil payments.
        Do you see a pattern here, Robert? Can you say BANKERS? Our attacks on the Middle East have nothing to do with Freedom and everything to do with keeping the Bankers in clover.

      • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

        I also agree with Roberts comment. However, let’s take it all the way and say this…

        …though America is supposed to be a land of free religious expression…common sense tells us that there are TWO religions that should not be tolerated by American’s…

        Islam & Satanism.

        I mean seriously…duh. Those two religions should be banned on our soil. Even the moderate Islam worshippers become passive to the more fanatic worshippers once they get established. Look at what History tells us of them. Islam starts off like any other religion at first but over time it becomes more & more violent as their bible, the Koran, dictates. I mean seriously…death to the infidels?

        I’m goin to post another message that I received from my Grandfather. I bet you didn’t hear the true version of what recently happened on an airliner…just wait till you read my follow up post. I’ll post it right under this one.

        We need to get Common Sense back into our lives as well as God, no matter what name you call Him by.

        God Bless.

      • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

        From my Grandfather…former Navy Commander.

        This is almost unbelievable!! Please read carefully and pass it on!!

        THE PEOPLE THAT DELETE THIS TYPE OF EMAIL, REFUSE TO PASS IT ON, OR
        SIMPLY DON’T CARE IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT PEOPLE THAT DO CARE CAN’T MAKE ANY HEADWAY.. THE THREATS ARE REAL, I WON’T BE HERE TO SEE THE END OF THIS TURMOIL BUT THE DO NOTHING GROUP WILL RUE THE DAY THEY LET THIS HAPPEN TO THEIR CHILDREN.

        And to think that Fox News was the only channel that reported this. Brassy!

        In my opinion, the Muslims are all getting very brave now. Read Tedd Petruna’s story below. Can you imagine, our own news media now are so politically correct that they are afraid to report that these were all Muslims? Unbelievable. Thank God for people like Tedd Petruna.

        I, Gene Hackemack, received this email from my good friend Tedd Petruna. He is, a diver at the NBL (Neutral Buoyancy Lab) facility at NASA Houston. I used to work with Tedd who happened to be on the AirTran Flight 297, from Atlanta to Houston.

        “One week ago, I went to Ohio on business and to see my father. On Tuesday, the 17th, I returned home. If you read the papers the 18th you may have seen a blurb about where an Air Tran flight was canceled from Atlanta to Houston due to a man who refused to get off of his cell phone before take- off.. The story was only on Fox News. That was NOT what really happened.

        I was seated in 1st class coming home. Eleven Muslim men got on the plane in full Muslim attire. Two of them sat in 1st class and the rest seated themselves throughout the plane, in coach class, all the way to the back. As the plane taxied out to the runway, the stewardesses gave the safety spiel that we are all so familiar with.

        At that time, one of the men, in 1st class, got on his cell and called one of his companions back in coach. He proceeded to talk on the phone in Arabic very loudly and very, very aggressively. This activity took the 1st stewardess out of action for she repeatedly told the man that cell phones were not permitted at that time. He ignored her as if she were not there. The man, who answered the phone back in the coach
        section, did the same and this took out the 2nd stewardess. Further back in the plane, at the same time, two younger Muslims, one in the back on the aisle, and one sitting in front of him by the window, began to show footage of a porno video they had taped the night before. They were very loud about it.

        Now, Muslim men are only permitted to view porno women prior to Jihad. If a Muslim man goes into a strip club, he has to view the woman via mirror with his back to her. (Don’t ask me, I don’t make the rules, but I’ve studied Muslims.)

        The 3rd stewardess informed the two men that they were not to have electronic devices on at this time.

        One of the men said “shut up infidel dog!”

        The stewardess attempted to take the camcorder and the Muslim began to scream in her face in Arabic. At that exact moment, all eleven of the men got up and started to walk throughout the cabin. I guess that because of the noise, the flight crew must have decided that there was something amiss and changed the plane’s directions to head back to the terminal.

        The commotion and noise was reaching a feverish pitch, and at this point I had had enough! I got up and started towards the back of 1st class, when I heard a voice behind me, from another Texan twice my size, say “I got your back.” Then I grabbed the man, who had been on the cell phone, by the arm and said “You WILL sit down in your seat or you WILL be thrown from this plane!” As I “led” him around me to take his seat, the fellow Texan grabbed him by the back of his neck and his waist and headed him back to his seat. I then grabbed the 2nd man and said, “You WILL do the same!”

        He protested loudly, but my adrenaline was flowing now and he was going to go also. Just as I escorted him forward, the plane stopped, the doors opened and three TSA agents and four police officers entered the cabin. Myself and my new Texas friend were told to cease and desist for they had the situation under control.

        I was quite happy to oblige actually. There was still some sort of commotion in the back, but within moments, all eleven Muslim men were escorted off the plane. The TSA agents then had their luggage unloaded. We talked about the occurrence and were in disbelief that it had happened.

        Then suddenly, the door opened again and in walked all eleven Muslim men! Stone faced, eyes front and robotic, (the only way I can describe it) they were reseated. The stewardess from the back had been in tears and when she saw the men, she was having NONE of it! Since I was up front, I heard and saw the whole ordeal. She told the TSA agents that there was NO WAY she was staying on the plane with the Muslim men.

        The agent told her that they had searched the men and were going through their luggage with a fine tooth comb. However, nothing had been found and that the men were allowed to proceed on to Houston.

        The captain and co-captain came out of the cockpit and told the agent, “We and our crew will not fly this plane!” After a word or two, the entire crew, luggage in tow, left the plane. Five minutes later, the cabin door opened again and a whole new crew walked on. Again, this was where I had had enough! I got up and asked the TSA agent, “What the hell is going on?

        I was told to take my seat. The airlines and TSA were sorry for the delay and we would be home shortly. I said “I’m getting off this plane”. The stewardess sternly told me that she could not allow me to get off. Now I’m really mad! I said “I am a grown man who bought this ticket, who’s time is mine with a family at home and I am going through
        that door, or I’m going through that door with you under my arm, but I AM going through that door!”

        And then I heard a voice behind me say “So am I!” Then everyone behind us started to get up and say the same thing. Within two minutes, I was walking off that plane where I was met by more TSA agents who asked me to write a statement about the incident. I had five hours to kill at this point waiting for the next flight to Houston, so why the hell not give them my statement. Due to the amount of people who got off that flight, it was canceled. I was supposed to be in Houston at 6 PM, but I finally got there at 12:30 AM. If you don’t believe this, look up the date and then Flight 297 from Atlanta to Houston.

        If this wasn’t a terrorism dry run, I don’t know what one is. The terrorists wanted to see how TSA would handle it, how the crew would handle it, and how the passengers would handle it. I’m telling this to you because I want you to know. The threat IS real. I saw it with my own eyes.”

        Tedd Petruna
        I suggest you keep this going until this incident reaches the email of all POLITICIANS and the news media!

      • Flashy

        Brother patriot…one must ask to whom you are patriotic to, for it sure ain’t America.

        This email has been shown to be a hoax and fraud on so many sites it isn’t even funny.

        Jeesh….

      • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

        My copy/paste wasn’t fully done correctly…apparently. At the top of my grandfather’s email was a snopes email “site” regarding this. Sorry for not linking it w/my post. Not that snopes is 100% accurate, still…its a source for information.

        Here is the link…
        http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/flight297.asp

        The information presented is a mixture of false/truth. As is the case in so many things. Our job is to present all the information and to then sift it for what History & Reality tell us is the truth. This is what a Free people do…right?

        So…does the email writer actually have his boarding pass and is he correct by saying AirTram is lying? We don’t know either for sure…but obviously “something” happened.

        Perhaps I’ll do more digging & post what I find.

        God Bless.

      • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

        Oh…and in responce to your jibe about my patrioticness…

        I’m an American and I love my country. She’s amazing. She means so many things to so many different people and as is her people…she’s a blend of it all. However, there is a core Judeo-Christian belief that founded this country. I grew up believing that America was proud & noble. I believed in baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and (ford). LoL. For me that America does exist and does exist for like minded people but the simple truth is that the leaders of our country have been up to some really bad things. That they serve some wierd Agenda that will eventually lead them to a position that they will be able to control the masses…including their thoughts!

        So…I’m tired of the lies. I’m tired of being lied to ALL MY LIFE. I want the TRUTH. I want it now and I want to be able to know what REALLY is going on out there in my world where my children are going out into. I want to STAND on my own two feet and meet whatever challenge that comes. With other FREE people like me who are like minded we would be the strongest positive force on earth as we stood together. Heck…we already are but we just don’t know it. We as a society have been DUPED into believing that making that almight dollar and paying the bills are what we are Supposed to devote our lives to. When in actually it’s to God, each other and to our beautiful earth.

        Seriously…are we not suppressing information about our ability to create energy now that has no pollutents and can provide massive power at very litttle cost? But there is no money in it and that’s why JP Morgan didn’t support Tesla’s visions back in the day. That mentality is what runs this world.

        No matter what name you call God by…those people who primarily try to function in the positive energy all worship the same source. God needs no definition to exist. But we certainly need the Truth in order determine what is going on in this world and we certainly are NOT being told this in the mainstream media.

        Am I right?

        God Bless us all and you to, Flashy.

      • don

        fredom fighter you got it nailed . we have sliped form old thoughts an listen to the progresses an they are not religious. it has took awhile for us to have reached the low that we are at . our schools have helped the down ward movement. most of our polititions think not of god or us but of power. liberials our same as progresses. can we come a moral nation agin there is dought .

      • George P.

        I have spent a lot of time in Islamic countries working for a government agency. It is disconcerting to see signs in major mosques where the “religion of peace” is being taught while displaying huge signs that say “Death to Israel” and “Death to America”.

        The “moderate” Muslim majority says nothing.

        An important Muslim official once told me that part of their plan is to out breed the West. The average Muslim family has six kids while most in the West have one or two. He laid out the numbers and they are indeed sobering. In 20 years or so they will have the majority of the world’s people.

        We should stop issuing visas to allow them from coming into the US unless they bring something of REAL value in their occupation. How may more cab drivers named Mustafa or Mohammed do we need? (Been in New York City lately?)

      • Winddrinker

        What we have been fighting through the Centuries is islam (satinism.) The first War of our newly united country was with the Barbary Pirates, (muslims.) We are still at war with muslims and their misguided way of life they call a “religion.” This is not a religion, it is a cult that practiceses a set of laws and a judicial system that is to be adhered to or one suffers the penalty of death. It promotes pediphilia, prostitution, homosexuality, the murdering of ones wife or wives, it promotes the sacrafice of ones children, it promotes the culture of lies, and deceit. We have mistakenly invited this into our country and given it a place of honor because we have given-in to political correctness, diversity and multiculturalism….the most effective tools of those that want to destroy America. We have mistakenly invited our enemies into our country and our government. This is something that needs to be corrected. They want their flag to fly over the seat of our government, and inch by inch are moving in that direction..And, I must say, with the help of some very stupid Americans.

      • Bernie

        I agree with FreedomFighter all the way. Everything you mention is so true. A lot of our country is blinded by ignorance and arrogance.
        Satan is busy blinding the world to the truth. The truth is in the Bible.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jean.greenwell1 Jean Greenwell

        Amen! :)

      • actual socialist

        I suppose the covent the sword and the arm of the lord { csa } were a bunch of peaceful chrishten? and so was the guy who shot up the sihk temple? and need i remind you it was chrishtens who BURNED WOMEN ALIVE because they THOUGHT she was a witch and then there,s that whole native american genocide thing and keep in mind the crusades were chrishtens attacking muslims not the other way around i have no idea how you chrishtens manage to convince yourselves your innocent victims but historey don’t back it up

        • coastx

          BRICON SYG CERTIFICATION @actual socialist for exemplary commitment to character principled on our constitutional republic and the willingness to assert the Bill of Rights and stand ground against legislative sedition and tyranny.

          Congratulations!

          • actual socialist

            I amgoing to be honest coastx i get mocked a lot on this site for my ideas so don’t laugh when i ask are you seriosly agreeing with me or was that a joke?

          • coastx

            Agreeing with you. It takes a lot of determination to stand your ground amongst provocateurs.

          • actual socialist

            In that case thank you

      • actual socialist

        P.S if you’re going to talkabout something i.e islam try using actual FACTS instead of just regurgatating what the islamophobes on fox and from the nsa tell ya

      • http://naver samurai

        Right on FF. I agree with you and what Bob has said. This nation was founded on Judeo-Christian principles. Biblical law taken directly from the Old and New Testiments. Our laws based on the 10 Commandments. And a deep, rich belief in nature and nature’s God. Ergo, a Christian nation. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot. This leaves AS out.

      • http://Intouch.org Joseph

        BRAVO!

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      • Bert Cundle Sr.

        Christians & Bible Supporters are Retarded! We have a Life Here & Now to deal with! Not use the Past for the Future! The Stories in the Bible are of Crazy people, illeterate! Not to be an example, for your guideance!

      • Brazzos

        FreedomFighter, your moniker (that’s another word for name stupid) belies your true color, yellow. Some FreedomFighter you are here in the states. The real freedom fighters are in Afghanistan

        • Armen Kartvelian

          Some of us are far too old to join the allied forces in Afghanistan. We did our military service earlier. That doesn’t, however, keep us from fighting for freedom at home. If we are not successful, our armed forces will not return to the sort of homes they left.

          Fighting for and defending freedom is an obligation of every citizen — whether a civilian at home here in the US or abroad, or a member of our armed forces wherever stationed.

    • TIME

      Dear Dave,

      I think you would really enjoy these video feeds. The first is a tad slow in getting to the point. But in the long run the intel is far beyond anything I can explain within print in but a few lines.

      The Cross of Thoth; by Crichton Miller

      David Icke; Awesome New Interview June 18, 2012

      ** Both of these are for the person who’s thinking skills are advanced far outside the box of the “normal control grid thinking patterns.”

      Please all of you who fit this profile of thinking, you should watch these as well. The intel is beyond anything your ever going to find within the Grid’s.
      As well you may not agree with these folks; but the facts are they hold the very “KEYS” to all the ” Why’s, Where’s, whens’ and Who’s.”
      With all that in mind these alone leave little question as to what I have said about the “13 Blood lines” who control everything.

      Peace and Love

      • Ken

        Great point. It is important to educate ones self by watching video’s that explain what is going on. These are the video”s that should say viewer descression advised. Its difficult
        to stomic what you see and hear. Hard to think that people can be so sick and that history can and will repeat its self.
        A good antidote film to see Thrive. What on earth will it take. Rather than complain and write about what is happening, Do something about it. Get involved. Its easy to complain. After all, you pay your property tax and income tax, how about not doing so.
        If we all thought that way and acted on it then they would be up a creek without a paddle.
        A non violent way to problem solved.

      • http://personalliberty.com Ed Weber

        Well,,,,,aren’t you just the “stink on s–t” grand thinker. All of us dumb kinda thinkers just don’t get it. Why don’t you just eat s–t and fade away. We get it!!!

    • vietnamvet1971

      GOD & Freedom go together! If you Lose your GOD given Rights & Freedoms from GOD and it is NOT from our Big Bloated Bankrupt Gimme-ment we get these Freedoms.

      • vazirmukhtar

        A Christian may encounter several problems if he follows New Testament teachings.

        1. “My kingdom is not of this world.”

        2. “Seek ye first the kingdom of heaven…”

        3. “Love thy neighbor as thyself.” “Who is my neighbor? A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jerico and fell among robbers, who beat him and robbed him and left him for dead…”

        4. Here come the rubs. “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s and unto G-d the things that are G-d’s.” We should pay taxes and vote. Those to whom Jesus was bringing the good news had no possibility of voting; for they lived in a dictatorship. We don’t, so I submit that participating in elections is “Caesar-rendering.”

        5. What does the Christian do about unjust laws? Defense? We know that when Jesus and his disciples were criticized for failing to observe the Sabbath, his response was that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

        And we are told that when one of those with Jesus whacked off the ear of the servant of the high priest, Jesus reproved him, “…all who take the sword will perish by the sword.”

        • Victor Gary

          You are right. Jesus said “My kingdom is no part of this world.” He did not get involved in politics. When they wanted to make him king, he disappeared. Why? Because the rulerships of men are all influenced by unseen evil elements. After Jesus was baptized, Luke 4:5-8 records that Satan the Devil offered him authority over all the earthly kingdoms or governments. Jesus declined. Satan is the unseen ruler of this world. From the garden of Eden he has contended that he was a better ruler than God. God has granted him these thousands of years to prove what kind or world he would produce. WELL, YOU SEE IT NOW!. It is only FIT FOR DESTRUCTION IN GOD’S JUDGMENT!
          So Jesus told his disciples to be “no part of the world” (John 17:16) and when there was a conflict between the law of the land and God’s law (Acts 5:29): “We must obey God as ruler rather than men.” WHERE DO YOU STAND!

      • DaveH

        Actually, Vet, it was the postmillennial pietist Protestants who got the ball rolling strongly towards Progressivism:
        http://mises.org/journals/jls/9_1/9_1_5.pdf
        So, there are forces in both camps (Christians or non-Christians) who would take our Freedom away. You can believe that God gave us our rights, and I can believe that our rights are natural. It really makes no difference as long as we recognize those rights and advocate Freedom from the Force of Big Government.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        DaveH, you are correct it is spiritual apostate Christianity or more to point Liberalism in Protestantism whose result is moral awefulness and political disfunction and its offspring are Socialism and Marxism and Communism and Naziism.
        I know you read quite a bit so read Isaiah but especially Isaiah 3.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      That is your freedom to choose what you want to believe or not believe. But you may say as Aaron Burr did when he was an old man, “Sixty years ago I told God if He would let me alone, I would let Him alone, and He has kept His word!”

    • GALT

      Let us be far more DIRECT………

      The possibility of finding a person who is both religious and moral is a contradiction in terms………. and with few exceptions RELIGIOUS = IMMORAL, and this evidence is all around you and explains why the world is the way it is…….

      But this is not hard to understand given this unwarranted reverence for the mythical “founders”………the “elites” of 1776/87/89…….and that the phrases used to incite,
      ………essentially do not stand up to any logically reasoned analysis…..

      These “founders” FAILED to produce a mechanism which had any chance of meeting
      the ambition that the words suggest……..which is to expected, when you begin with a “meaningless slogan”………and continue to build upon it……..you shouldn’t be surprised
      when it FAILS……..it never had a chance.

      Now it is not wrong to claim to desire:

      “a government which derives in JUST POWERS from the consent of the government”

      and whose stated function is to “secure these rights”…..in a government “of, by and for
      the PEOPLE”………

      But unless you actually can define what “The right to life consists of”, you
      are not going to get anything resembling that outcome.

      It is doubtful that many will be capable of actually providing any solid foundation
      for any definition of what This “right” actually entails……..either in the sense of
      what it meant in 1776 ( which is far easier ) or what it’s evolved understanding to
      contemporary times should be. ( a process which we have essentially skipped.)

      The result of the “attempt” are simply more slogans…….and government by slogan
      doesn’t work…….

      Let the games begin……

      “To conquer, first DIVIDE!” ( and then HANG, separately!!!!!! )

    • http://yahoo mark j

      you better beleive in something or you fall for anything dave h

      • GALT

        By definition it is not possible to believe in NOTHING…..Cogito, ergo sum….while an error in form is not an error in substance,,,,,,,,,you exist……what you believe from that point…..?

      • DaveH

        There are few, mark, who are as steeped in reality as I am.

    • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

      Thanks to Climategate email and documents released in Nov 2009, two unpleasant realities have been revealed for the public’s consideration and eventually painful acceptance:

      1. The totally unpredictable source of energy that made our elements and gave birth to the Solar System five billion years (5 Gyr) ago [1] is also the source of energy that sustains our lives and exerts dominant control over Earth’s constantly changing climate.

      2. Reluctance to accept reality #1 when first revealed in the “nuclear fires” that consumed Hiroshima on 6 Aug 1945 and Nagasaki on 9 Aug 1945 convinced world leaders to form the United Nations on 24 Oct 1945 and work together to build a one-world government that George Orwell correctly described in the futuristic novel written in 1948, “1984″

      http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/1984/:

      Two years before Climategate emails and documents exposed reality #2 in 2009, Czech President Vaclav Klaus warned us this one-world government had engulfed the entire planet [2].

      [1] “Neutron repulsion,” The Apeiron Journal 19, 123-150 (2012) http://tinyurl.com/7t5ojrn

      [2] Vaclav Klaus, Blue Planet in Green Shackles (Competitive Enterprise Institute, 2007,100 pp.) http://tinyurl.com/5z4j6g

      See: http://judithcurry.com/2012/09/01/climate-etc-at-2/#comment-235517
      and: http://judithcurry.com/2012/09/01/climate-etc-at-2/#comment-235525

      Oliver K. Manuel
      Former NASA Principal
      Investigator for Apollo
      http://www.omatumr.com

    • Kate8

      DaveH – I didn’t get that implication from Bob at all. If you don’t try to eliminate those who choose to follow God, then I see no problem whatsoever. No one needs to be offended by the beliefs of others unless and until any of them tries to FORCE their beliefs on the rest.

      In fact, the PTB are not atheistic at all, but are satanic. They follow their own credo and ritual, which is geared toward the enslavement and elimination of the little people. They think they have the power and the right to dictate what we can and can’t believe, and THEY are the ones who need to go.

    • http://none Charlie

      DaveH,,,et al ,,, that makes you grossly ignorant of The Freedom and Salvation of King
      Jesus ,that He offers in His Law Book … Remember knowledge is Power,,,ignorance is enslaving ,,,Hosea 4:6 says “my people perish for lack of knowledge… See John 8:32 for
      Freedom… Thanks for being first today ,so, I can get The Scripture whipped on top…
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      • coastx

        The Bible is a fairytale, David. It’s a Druid wonder works written to program you to be a good slave and to acculturate you to human ritual sacrifice. This macabre literature even invokes threat of death for discovery. God didn’t write it. The [expletive deleted] Vatican did this via the Council of Nicaea approximately 325 AD. This organization reconvened as Bilderberg with absolutely no use for the Bible, because it served it’s purpose. Now they have the state, they don;t need the Bible any more. Look at the scripture you are quoting. John 8:32 is a Pythagorean additive sum 13. Acts 2:38 is also a Pythagorean additive sum 13. This is occult. WAKE UP!

        Or salvation is not the Bible. It’s the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Become familiar with the constitution. Know and assert the Bill of Rights. STAND YOUR GROUND against legislative sedition and tyranny.

      • Vigilant

        Coastx divulges his/her utter ignorance of the Constitution with, “Or [sic] salvation is not the Bible. It’s the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Become familiar with the constitution. Know and assert the Bill of Rights. STAND YOUR GROUND against legislative sedition and tyranny.”

        Although the Constitution is a blueprint for a secular government, it was a natural outgrowth of the iteration of Natural Law by Jefferson. You are egregiously wrong if you fail to recognize that the Constitution DEPENDS upon the Declaration of Independence for its authority.

        If you believe that government endows rights upon its populace, then you are sadly mistaken. It derives its authority from the consent of the governed. If no immutable authority exists for life, liberty, property and other Natural Law rights, then “rights” become whatever is in vogue, whatever legislation says they are, and moral relativism will reign supreme.

        As the power inherent in the moral suasion of Natural Law has suffered in this nation, so has the welfare of the nation itself.

        • coastx

          You spelled /causation/ incorrectly. Also, your sophist understanding of the Constitution is obscure. Try separation of powers, for starters, how this defines the relationship between the federal government and the states and THEN have at it with dogma.

      • Kate8

        Very well stated, Vigilant. The Constitution was written by men, and should not be made into a false god. It is, rather, an acknowledgment that our liberty is derived from our Creator and takes usurpation by man out of the equation.

        There is, actually, a Church of the Constitution now, believe it or not. It’s founder is David Lory Van derBeek, who is actually a Mormon. I don’t know a lot about it, but my first response to such a church was that it is missing the mark.

        • coastx

          The Mormon church was Britain’s 1st repatriation project in the US. Both Mountain Meadows (1857) and Whitechapel (1888) are it’s political works, the former having institutionalized in the US as domestic terrorism and the latter the christening of Atramental Lodge 23 which later manifest in the US as Stone House Hunting Lodge (SHHL). Whitechapel was the Black Mass.

          The game plan is acculturation to ritual human sacrifice. They do this for entertainment, and people are completely oblivious to this having become accustomed to a philanthropic wonder works via the myriad of gifts they have bestowed upon society albeit the price for this is forfeiture of whatever individuals they have targeted for rendition. The model is Amen-Ra Toth (philanthropy, sacrifice, propaganda). This movement, as it were, is in fact the British monarchy in affiliation with the Church of England which owns the City of London. AND the US via the Fed, or so it goes.

          Again, and this will eventually sink in, the prime directive in these circumstances is acculturation to ritual human sacrifice, followed by circumvention of the Bill of rights and Constitution, collapse of domestic and economic infrastructures and sustained presence via neopolitics and it’s immense propaganda.

      • http://naver samurai

        Coastx is lying. The Bible is the Word of God and it is also book upon which this Republic was founded. Our founders base us on Judeo-Christian principles. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        • coastx

          Lying? Please tell me where it says ANYWHERE in the constitution that this country was founded on the Bible. Any founders reference to God was a reference to reality, and they backed this up with the 2nd Amendment. That man speaks and writes is a manifestation of God, but man is also a notorious domestic predator, which THIS was the reason for the Bible project, to prey on mankind, because Man is ALSO a STUPID animal. The elite eat meat. YOU, my stupid friend, are meat, and the Bible is a cookbook!

          • actual socialist

            Coastix i agree with what you said but trust me on this i,ve been debating with samurai for months and can say with 100% certenty you would have an easyier time explaining quantum physics to a tiger cub then trying convince him that the bible is not to be taken literaly and that we were NOT founded as a chrishten theocracey

      • http://naver samurai

        It seems that coastx and AS are rearing their ugly atheist heads by attacking our founding and ignorance of the Bible and how we were founded. This reminds me of you 2 hateful, full of guilty feelings, depression, agression, and arrogance.

        The fool hath said in his heart, “There is no God.” Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

        God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God.

        Every one of them has gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

        Have the workers of iniquity no knowledge? Who eat up my people as they eat bread: they have not called upon God.

        There were they in great fear, were no fear was: for God hath scattered the bone of him that encampeth against thee: Thou hast put them to shame, because God has despised them.

        Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! When God bringeth back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad.

        Psalms 53:1-6

        The title of this is the folly of atheism. I think you 2 less intelligent creatures need to have your little lib minds awakened to the truth. When your ilk pass on to the here after, you’ll be feeling the heat of fire and brimstone. Here is something else to prove you wrong from Thomas Jefferson.

        “Locke’s system of Christianity is this: Adam was created happy and immortal…. By sin he lost this so that he became subject to total death, like that of brutes (animals) – to the crosses and unhappiness of this life. At the intercession, however, of the Son of God, this sentence was in part remitted…. And moreover to them that believed, their faith was to be counted for righteousness (Romans 4: 3-5). Not that faith without works was to save them; St. James, chapter 2 say expressly to the contrary (James 2: 14-26). So that a reformation of life (included under repentance) was essential, and defects in this would be made up by their faith; i. e., their faith should be counted for righteousness (Romans 4: 3-5)….The Gentiles, St. Paul says, Romans 2:13 “The Gentiles have the law written in their hearts,” Adding a faith in God and His attributes that on their repentance, He would pardon them; (1 John 1:9) they also would be justified (Romans 3:24). This then explains the text “there is no other name under heaven by which a man may be saved” (Acts 4:12), i. e., the defects in good works shall not be supplied by a faith in Mahomet, Fo (Buddha), or any other except Christ.”

        Thomas Jefferson

        Source:

        Thomas Jefferson, The Works of Thomas Jefferson, Paul Leicester Ford, editor (New York: G. P. Putnam’s Sons, 1904), Vol. II, pp. 253-254, “Notes on Religion,” October 1776.

        Looks also like Thomas Jefferson was against what you 2 are saying. If what you are saying about the elite is true, then you 2 also are just meat for them. But alas! You have no God, Jesus, or the Bible to save you. As comes up with this nonsense about a theocracy. Being founded on Judeo-Christian principles, Biblical Law taken directly from the Old and New Testiments, our laws based on the 10 Commandments (If you don’t know that one, you know nothing of our founding.), and a deep, rich believe in nature and nature’s God is not a theocracy. Why don’t you 2 take the time to really read our history, not the revisionists history, and see how we were founded on ideals from the Bible. Just look at how many times God and Jesus’ name are invoked in our founding documents, government buildings, SCOTUS, monuments, and many of our founders speeches, letters, journals, and written works. It seems you 2 have a lot to learn. BTW, how have we been contending for months now AS? I only saw you name starting last month. Do you have any other names on this site? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot. This leaves you 2 out of the picture.

        P.S. I’ll ask you a question from one of the tests I gave to my students. Why is there a staue of Moses holding the 10 Commandments in the SCOTUS building? What does it represent? I’ll be waiting for a truthful, not scientific, ranting, lie, rhetoric, innuendo, or atheist, response. Though I know you won’t do this.

        • actual socialist

          I can,t speak for coastx but i am an unitarian universelist not an athiest get it right you say i,m hateful? i hate no living creature you say i,m ” full of guilty feelings ” i feel no guilt because i have comitted no crime aside from disagreeing with you of course you accuse me of aggression? that’s rich coming from you i don,t feel aggression because i don,t feel hate and they need each other to survive and should i EVEN point out the sheer hypocracey of you accusing others of arrogance? and i have told you i am eric jones i merley cahanged my title to actual socialist and how the hell do you know wiether coastx believes in god or not you can foolw a religion without trying to force it on others you know but what should i expect from a man who belives all science is a lie and per your queston i could not possibly care any less about a satue of moses which was placed there because the people who biult the place belived in him thats all it proves nothing more or less btw Websters standerd dictionary school and office edition defines theocracey as ” goverment by priests OR by an ecclesiasstical institution claiming to be divinlely directed;a state thus governed” so you see you may not be a priest because you insist you are ” divinely directed” you are by definition a theocrat just like iranian politicions only a different religion and unlike you i can save myself i don,t need a book to do it for me and about the bible quotes i,ve told you once i,ll tell you again repeating somethig over and over again don,t make it any more true

      • http://naver samurai

        You are no unitarian universalist. For a unitarian universalist believes all religions are good and there are many paths to get into heaven. But alas! It seems you have lied again. At first you said you were an agnostic and they believe that there could be a God and also wouldn’t attack someone for mentioning the Bible, God, and Jesus. Due to the fact that they say there could be one. They would take that in stride, but you messed that up also. I don’t care a bit about your name or why you changed it, AS will have to suffice for now. I say coastx is an atheist, you also, by how you 2 always attack someone who mentions the Bible, God, Jesus, or Christianity. He says the Bible is nothing but fairytales, an atheist ploy. To say that someone can save themselves is lacking in wisdom of how things work. They also don’t comprehend that they nee Jesus as their personal Savior to get into Heaven. This is called Salvation. I stand by the facts I have posted stating that we were founded on Christian principles. If you think I am wrong, post something from a historian or reputable site to prove me wrong. I thought you might say Doris Kerns Goodwin, but she couldn’t help your cause. She’s a top historian in this country and was writing books in the White House. I’ve read some of her books and they are full of useful historical information. I don’t say all science is a lie, just can’t believe you would lie about some theory (not proven as a fact) is correct and the Bible is wrong, another atheist ploy. Care to cite a source showing the Bible is wrong or that God doesn’t exist? Another atheist ploy. You don’t care about the statue of Moses that I asked about? The significance or meaning of the statue shows what our laws are based on the 10 Commandments. Since you seem to have no knowledge of this, you know nothing about our founding. Save yourself? Ha, ha, ha, ha! How is this possible? I don’t think you are some Heavenly Being that can do this on his own. You can’t get into Heaven without a belief and faith in God and having Jesus being you personal Savior. You also talk about something not being true because you repeat it many times? Care to look in the mirror on that comment?

        “To attain a serious end it behooves not to stop at any means or count the victims sacrificed for the sake of that end.”

        Protocol 15, The Wise Elders of Zion

        This sounds like you and coastx to a “T”, but this one does also.

        “By means of schrewd lies unmittingly repeated, it is possible to make people believe heaven is hell-and hell heaven. The greater the lie, the more readily it will be believed.”

        Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

        I guess you 2 don’t mind trying to push your facist, atheistic beliefs onto others by lying, as Hitler said in the quote, but many of us resist you as your lies are not and will never be the truth. You 2 seek after the truth, but it is far from you. Here is a truthful quote from a fformer president.

        “In the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior.”

        John Quincy Adams 1837

        I could go on burying you, but it would be futile as you do not have the capacity to understand the truth when it is presented to you. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot. This leaves you 2 out.

        • actual socialist

          christianity is good in princible but in the hands of fanatics like you it is the ultimate weapon of mass destuction and i,m a communist not a fascist oh wise one

      • Kate8

        The truth is that our Constitution’s principles were derived directly from the Old Testament.

        And actual socialist, the only real difference between socialism and fascism is semantic.

        I can’t understand how anyone who truly knows what socialism and communism are about would ever embrace such things. They go against nature, natural law, and they have always required mass genocide to rid the population of anyone who disagrees. This time is no different.

        This time it will also again fail.

        • actual socialist

          And what nature would that be? look at the native american tribes the tribes of south america and africa they represent human civilization at its most basic level and ther ideals are closer to socialism then capitilism and what natural law forbides the equal distribution of labor in exchange for an equal share of the wealth it creates? and as for the genocide accusation you look at a few extremists and ASSUME they are the norm joesf stalin killed millions but was norm joesef stalin was not even a true communist so he dos,nt count mao was one of the aformentioned extremists and polpot was just plain insane these men did NOT represent the average communist at there time and they most certenly do NOT represent the 21st ceturey revolutionary like myself

          • coastx

            Agree with AS. What are your proofs, K8? Examples from history, please. You are starting to look more creative writing than reality.

        • coastx

          Example, please. Be explicit. I am retarded here.

      • Kate8

        The brainwashed and indoctrinated young have no idea about true history, which is rife with examples of the genocidal, totalitarian methods of socialists/communists.

        Of course they’ve revised history. If they told the truth no one would accept it.

        It would do me no good to waste my time finding examples for you. If you are really interested you will do your own research, and I mean going back prior to revision by people who were never there and only use “history” as a means of warping minds.

        AS, you spout so much nonsense I cannot even comment. The Left paints such a ridiculous caricature of conservatives that it boggles my mind that anyone pays any attention to it. Shows how degraded your minds are. You accuse others of things like hate, and yet you are dripping with hatred.

        Step back and look at the whole picture for a change. You are being used. BOTH parties are using us, and you can’t see it because you are stuck in the game.

        I hope America can survive what we’ve become, having people like you coming of age. Unless we have some others who are capable of rational thinking, we won’t.

        • coastx

          Lets deal with the problem. The young have been educated NOT to think, which forms the basis of the conscience of conformity. Individualism lofts on critical thinking, a phenomenon that can be taught. To do this begin asking your children questions that cause then for formulate an opinion, and then give them the freedom to stand up for that opinion with facts. Let them debate this with you, and you’ll begin see a change in their desire to think. SAVE

        • actual socialist

          Can,t help but notice that only the history that disagrees with you is ” revised ” and only the history that agrees with you is ” true history ” i also find it interesting that i,m being used by both parties when i,m indepent and i can,t see how anyone in the goverment would have the energy to revise history since alot of them took part in the cold war red threat histeriay

      • Kate8

        That’s because you aren’t seein the whole picture.

        People in government aren’t rewriting history. The families who control things behind the scenes have been at work for centuries. They have been behind all wars, instigating them and financing them on both sides. They were behind the NAZIs. They have many factions.

        They own the media and the education system. They own the medical system. They own our government, and many others, right down to states and localities now. They’ve been working to put their people in governments, NGAs and all institutions. The countries who try to remain sovereign get blamed for some false flag and we go to war against them, toppling their leaders.

        Now, as far as history, they own the people who write the textbooks. Think about it. They wait until those old enough to remember what REALLY happened are dead, and then they alter it. My dad fought in WWII, and I was born soon after. I knew many people who lived through it. Most of those people are gone now.

        So, those who are now charged with history weren’t there, and don’t know anyone who was. Even if they are, perhaps, not intending to rewrite it, they don’t know any different. Just look at how many are trying to tell us that the holocaust didn’t happen. I knew a man who still bore the tatoos from the concentration camp.

        We didn’t know that it was a contrived war, but we knew what was happening. Now, since the people coming of age are clueless, it’s easy to teach a version of history which supports their agenda. Communism has always been a horrendous, enslaving, murderous system. People are not allowed to speak, or even think, freely. And technologies now allow the elite much more control over these things than ever before.

        In Soviet Russia, anyone who made so much as a statement of dissent against the regime was arrested and disappeared. They were declared to be “mentally ill”. This is beginning to happen here, especially among our war vets. Conservatives are being targeted.

        Check out this article and tell me everything stated here is not being done. It is.

        http://www.westernjournalism.com/how-democrats-are-implementing-the-communists-plan-to-destroy-america/

        The communists openly declared that they would use the democrat party to accomplish their ends. They are now in control of both parties.

        You are being used to further a plan that will subjugate humanity forever. End all forms of liberty. If this succeeds, humanity will become the Borg.

    • Shane

      Excellent article Bob Livington. I agree wholeheartedly with the points that you brought up. Unfortately, we have some that wish to divide conservatives by bringing up in such a way, the differences between us. Instead of those beliefs that we agree. A perfect example would be your spouse, your three best friends and then our most trusted co-worker or boss / employee. Is there actually someone that will state that those that we are closes to, are actually clone or carbon copy of our own beliefs? Not so. Not happening. We all bring differences to the table, but its the similarites that determine whether we are on the same team, or on the opposition.

      We need to work on coming together. For divided, we lose. The bad guys win.

      One final point. How many of us agree 100% with the stances we took 15 years ago? Ok, that was unfair. How many of us agree 90% on all issues with what we believed 15 years ago. While we may have been conservative 15 years ago. I know I was. Are we the same in belief over each and every facet of political, social thought as then?

      Nope.

      • sam1966

        Right on! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • JeffH

      DaveH, but you are moral.

    • http://Yahoo David

      One either serves SATAN or the Lord Jesus Christ. You can choose who (?) you serve but you WILL serve one or the other. God is offering you a pardon for your sin by the death of Jesus Christ; take the pardon or you will take the alternative of life in the BURNING LAKE OF FIRE for eterntiy…choose wisely.

    • http://yahoo bob peters

      then let the rest of us alone who do believe in God. Remember the crusades?? well they are about to happen again! You the minority are not in control of our lives. Be careful of what you sow!

    • ChristyK

      Bob L, You list many examples of our lost freedom and you are correct about that. The important thing you left out is that we don’t really have any say in who our President is (and only a little influence on other federal positions). I was involved with the Republican party from precinct caucus (votes counted in back room with no discussion), county caucus (only precinct committeeman/woman could vote unless they didn’t show and an alternate got in), staste caucus (Republican leaders cast illegal votes and tried to blame extra votes on the unapproved candidate, Ron Paul), and the national convention (elected delegates removed, rules broken & changed, and votes ignored if they didn’t follow the teleprompter). My understanding is that the Democrats were just as bad at ignoring the votes. Our vote doesn’t matter anymore in the election of the president. Most Americans still think their vote counts, but it is a mirage. I saw it all first hand.

    • http://yahoo gator

      well flashy has now shown his true colors; and i thought he was just a brainwashed obamasboy.i think maybe the FBI should be taking a look at you flashy

      • coastx

        Amen to that! Also, looks as though PLD may be going liberal on me. They are moderating my posts. This is such a disappointment. My guess they are kowtowing to troll complaints that I am successfully routing them from this site. PDL’s response is censorship. Anyway, here’s a look at what I have been circulating that these trolls are in a slow burn to rid this site of.

        http://wp.me/p1GpdK-oy

        HAHAHA. [expletive deleted]!

        • Moderator

          Coastx,

          Please read our comment policy. You are not currently being moderated. However, your choice of language causes our filters to hold some of your comments until I have time to clean up the language. If you continue on your current course, you are likely headed for constant moderation. I ask that you please attempt to make your points in less colorful language.

          Thank you and have a wonderful day.

          Moderator

          • coastx

            @moderator Free speech and to the point. You have a problem with this because it’s not politically correct to your neopolitical publishing guidelines which empower you harass anyone having a conversation that exposes the negative core of neopolitics on your site, which is anti Bill of rights. PLD is a neomedia cohort like GNC, and the point of your hokey intervention is self protection. The last word is your, creep.

    • HadEnuf

      We haven’t been free since this new Hitler implant was installed as “Usurper-In-Chief.” He’s just getting started, believe me. where are the delusional and irrational thinking fascists now that their dictator – there wasn’t a dictator on the planet that the left faled to support – is trampling on personal freedom that they railed about G. Bush doing? They are so duplicite that it is a joke! I’ll leave them with this: the fools will be in the same boat as the rest of the country when the real hardcore tyranny start’s, and that is after the communists steal another election as they had done the previous one; that is why it is imperative for their state-run media to continually issue bogus poll numbers so that when they steal this election, it won’t seem so outrageous! The new Hitler’s DOJ is already suing one such polling servcice for reporting actual polling numbers! Look it up. don’t take my wrd for it. Good against Evil, that is what this election is about!

    • sjbbouton

      One of the many Big Lies the Left uses is the phrase “separation of church and state”, which appears nowhere in the Constitution. What the First Amendment prohibits is the establishment of a state-sponsored religion. Now, for you anti-God zealots, the epitomy of intolerance, whilst you stamp out any reference to God (all in the name of “separation of church and state”) you are mandating a state-sponsored religion- atheism.

      • coastx

        That’s a good point! In the US it’s a ratio that’s largely controlled by the 1st Amendment. I wonder if in redefining the 1st Amendment they aren’t actually trying to grease the chute for prescriptive justification to loft their coveted occult protocol making live human sacrifice a mainstream activity rather than delegating this activity to the Black Mass only?

  • DaveH

    If we Freedom Lovers don’t put aside our petty differences and work together, we are going to lose.

    • TIME

      Dear Dave,

      Again yet another video feed, please do keep in mind that this video feed is {not super well done} but it has the {{basic points}} that people need to understand whats been done to them is all layed out quite well, and thats the part that holds great value.

      But again the INTEL is whats of value, and its done so even the most stubborn and sheep like persons can understand it. That statment is not a reflection on anyone just a point that needs to be made.

      Slavery by CONSENT the full version

      Peace and Love

      • coastx

        This looks like a love letter. I bet you were born a woman, longed to become a man and failed your first transformation surgery in the Philippines. How close am I?

    • momo

      Unfortunately, it might be too late.

    • http://na Mike in NE

      DaveH, how very true. I went to an obama stop in Iowa last week, did not purchase ticket just hung around the perimeters and people watched. Starry eyed supporters, clapping cheering their anointed saviour. That is what people saw on the local news. What I witnessed seemed much different. Made me think of the very long road the Ron Paul/Gary Johnson people have in front of them. Looks to me as the propaganda is doing it’s job, heck I was one of them at one time long ago, Viet Nam changed that for me. Big guv looks firmly in place to me, what a shame. I don’t understand it, but I’m sure the flushly’s of the world will ease my worries, as it does seem to be a daunting task.

      • Kate8

        Mike in NE – No matter how much the media overstates Obama’s support, there are those who say it’s a myth. He’s lost a great deal of his support. Even the poor have never had it so bad as they have under this bozo.

        We can take heart in knowing that the largest percentage of our military can’t stand him, and they are all about doing something about it. I heard from a militia briefing that Obama’s plan to create a false flag in October (to cancel the elections and declare martial law) have gotten him a stern warning from our military. They told him that if he dares try something like this, they will come and remove him from the WH in cuffs.

        I also learned that JFK forsaw this very thing happening to our country and had planned to make it all public. That’s why he was taken out. But what he did do was to draw up a plan for the military to follow should this very thing happen, and it directed the action of NCOs and enlisted men (he knew that when it did occur, the top brass would be part of it).

        The neat thing is that this plan has existed for all this time, and has been at work under the radar. They are working to restore our republic, and have been for a long time. They are on the move, and are on our side. We may or may not have a war in America, but we WILL throw the corrupt elite out. Some of them have already been arrested. The problem is finding a judge who is not bought and paid for…because so far the judges don’t allow the charges to stick. But it is just a matter of time…

        BTW, I don’t know if it’s true, but I heard that Nancy Pelosi was just arrested, and that she let loose with some very colorful and unladylike language toward the arresting officers… Wouldn’t you love to be a fly on the wall…

        Anyway, the word is that the elections will proceed, that Romney has come clean about some things, that Ron Paul may run as an Independent… but the main thing is that we throw Obama out at all costs.

        BTW, Obama has apparently just purchased a $35million estate in Hawaii, and the move-in date is January 2013. Draw your own conclusions here.

        • coastx

          $1 million for the house. $34 million for the security system.

      • Kate8

        Can this really be happening? Has Nancy Pelosi really been taken under arrest? With more, as well, and more to come?

        http://americannationalmilitia.com/latest-updates/

        If so, it’s time to celebrate!

        I sure hope so. We need some good news.

        • coastx

          It will eventually dawn on you that our beloved neopoliticians are a culture of DRACS. Holder’s headed for the supreme court, which contempt of congress will hold him down. He’s a G-R-I-F-T-E-R. WAKE UP! He’s also playing patsy running interference for Schwarzenegger having resourced Central America for a border insurgency, but that’s flying right over everyone’s head. Pelosi lighting up is a good sign that the libertine movement has made a presence in congress and is starting to attack the infection. Let’s hope they make progress. Harry Reid’s laying low, for obvious reasons. He’s such a perverted Mormon [expletive deleted].

      • Kate8

        Holder and Reid are on the arrest list, too. So are the Obamas.

        • coastx

          Wait, wait, wait…ARREST LIST? More info, please…

  • David C. Turner Sr.

    Ya,I’am free if I could stand and be heard like our idiot Vise President. If this guy can get a
    free running of his mouth and the news media says it’s all right then me a Demacrate voter
    should be able to speak my views of what Him and the Brain dead President has been trying to convince the middle class what’s to come if we tell him He Failded………………
    My fellow Democrates wake up or become a socialist country with the United Nations telling you what to do and NOW EUROPEAN COUNTRIES now CONTROL YOU.
    WAKE UP OR YOU WILL BE RUN BY A SELFPROCLAIMED DICTATOR BROTHER
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    (909)-793 -0254. Secret Sevice Welcome 24/7

  • Vicki

    The OP asks if we think we are a free people. Very easy. NO.

    Evidence:
    “For a TRULY free people the possession of ANYTHING created, grown, obtained without fraud or theft, can not be illegal.”

    • DaveH

      Speaking of that, for those who would like to shed the brainwashing that we need Big Government in so many aspects of our lives. Think outside the narrow box that we’ve been assigned to by the Propaganda Schools and the MSM:
      http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/For%20a%20New%20Liberty%20The%20Libertarian%20Manifesto.pdf

    • Robert Young

      Vicki, I agree that as American Citizens we are not a free people. However, freedom to the extents you describe would not be acceptable to most people as that much freedom is unknown and people fear the unknown. It would be unacceptable to all Governments as they would lose too much control over the people, which I think would be a good thing.

      • DaveH

        It is up to us to teach them why that fear is misplaced, Robert.

      • Vicki

        Robert Young says:
        “Vicki, I agree that as American Citizens we are not a free people. However, freedom to the extents you describe would not be acceptable to most people as that much freedom is unknown and people fear the unknown.”

        Why is it unknown? Do we not teach history in school anymore? It was not even that long ago that we could possess whatever we wanted and had earned. Our Constitution and Declaration of Independence even describes it.

        Freedom is not unknown. It is demonized to get people to willingly be slaves.

  • Michael J.

    Dear Bob,
    Thanks for your summation of our freedom, couldn’t agree more. Laying waste to the 150 year assault on freedom will not come overnite and is likely a quest our grandchildren will still be engaged in. Maybe your words will provide them inspiration, same as we look back to the words of the founders today.

    In the end, free people will prevail. They allways have and allways will, it’s the getting there that remains the challenge that drives the beating heart of determined individuals.

    • DaveH

      I Hope and Dream that you are correct, Michael.

    • Vicki

      Michael J. writes;
      “In the end, free people will prevail. ”

      I too hope you are correct but history does not bear this out. :(

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4r0VUybeXY

      Most of the world has been and is still governed by a few.
      In which end will a free people prevail?

      • Kate8

        Vicki – We don’t hear about it in our government media, but the whole world is fed up with the power structure of the banking cartels. There are forces at play as we speak to remove them from power. Their grip is tight, and it is an arduous process. They are having many of their funds cut off, and without the continual influx of $trillions they cannot continue to function.

        We WILL prevail, because we MUST prevail. Right now it is critical that people wake up and realize who’s been pulling the strings, and stop supporting them unknowingly by playing according to their manipulations.

        When enough of the world stands up and says NO…NO to fighting senseless wars which are only fought in order to confiscate resources and to keep the wealth flowing to the elite cartels… NO to allowing our lives to be controlled in every way… NO to having our minds moulded by TV and other media… NO to returning the same corrupt weasel class to office… NO to complying with insane “laws” and paying insane taxes…

        We can do this. And we need to stop holding the vision of the elite and start a vision of our own, a vision which creates the world in which WE want to live. We have to have a clear picture of what we DO want before we can achieve it. That is why the elite keep us rattled and hopeless… we are actually creating the reality as THEY desire it. It’s all a game to them.

        Well, it’s time we turn the tables and use their own plans against them.

        • coastx

          BRICON SYG CERTIFICATION @Kate8 for exemplary commitment to character principled on our constitutional republic via willingness to assert the Bill of Rights and stand ground against legislative sedition and tyranny.

          Congratulations!

      • sam1966

        Well said Kate8. With God helping us, we will stand victorious. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

  • LC

    Can’t blame gov’t for everything. Alot we brought on ourselves. The rest,we allowed. What makes that even worse is, we may never know enough unity to change or stop ourselves from becoming a socialist republic.

    • GiveMeLiberty

      LC, oh there is unity….there has always been unity amongst the elite/statists to eliminate our way of life and dilute/eradicate the consititution.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    The Constitution and the Bill of Rights were made null and void when congress signed the Federal Reserve act into law in 1913. This means that our country, and all its citizens and resources, lock-stock and barrel, all of it, completely owned by a private banking cartel that owns the Federal Reserve. Until Congress abolishes the Federal Reserve act, and takes charge to coin Money and regulate the Value thereof, all the best of intentions and best laid plans will be for naught!!!

    • TIME

      Dear Jay,

      Your post is oh so valid, let alone directly on point!

      Please see my post above to DaveH with video feeds you may find of great interest. From most of your post I figure you may have already viewed them but non the less even if you have these are well worth the revisit.

      Peace and Love

    • MNIce

      While the Federal Reserve Act violated the Constitution, it did not overturn it. The bankers’ takeover of our government’s finances is only one component in the loss of our personal freedoms.

      The real problem is that the PEOPLE (you, me, and our neighbors) have been very lax in enforcing the US Constitution and our state constitutions. (How many of you have even read your state’s constitution?) When a bureaucrat over-reaches, we should be calling our elected officials to complain ASAP. We must insist that our legislators be jealous of their law-making prerogatives and not cede them to executive agencies. Armen Kartvelian put up an excellent post on the subject while I was writing this.

      We need to rewrite our civil service laws. The original idea behind them was well-intentioned – to put the bureaucrats out of reach of political corruption. Unfortunately, the statutes have put them beyond reach of accountability also. Here are some ideas:

      > Institute term limits for officials who have the authority to approve or disapprove of administrative law charges or penalties. They cannot work in the same agency (meaning administration, agency or department) for more than six years once they attain that rank.
      > Ban the current administrative law system, and replace it with independent administrative law courts, complete with juries. If it is necessary to train the jurors in the specific rules before the trial, so be it. The present system gives an unelected bureaucrat total power – prosecutor, judge and executioner. The Civil Service Act lets him thumb his nose at agency heads appointed by the President. This is absolutely contrary to the principles of essential liberty.
      > All regulations must be approved by Congress, or at least by the Congressional Committee responsible for oversight of the agency. Additionally, every agency’s rule set must be reviewed in toto by Congress at least once every seven years. If Congress cannot make time for the periodic review, the agency is not important enough to keep and shall be closed and disbanded. Additionally, make sure there is a simple process for identifying and requiring the correction or elimination of rules that prove abusive in practice.
      > Set a threshold for the number of complaints of abuse or dereliction of duty for each individual office. If that threshold is exceeded, Congress (or the legislature) shall appoint an investigative committee to examine the complaints. If they are found to be valid, the persons responsible may be disciplined or discharged, and if appropriate referred to a grand jury for criminal investigation. If the complaint is of criminal abuse of power, the threshold is ONE.
      > Remove the group-specific limits on USC 18:232. The criminal penalty for violating Constitutional rights under color of law should apply in all cases, not just those involving discrimination by reason of skin color, religion, national origin, etc.

      Members of the European Parliament complain that it is a joke; the real power lies in the hands of the unelected and unaccountable Administrative State. We see the same problem developing here. It’s time for the people to reassert their authority.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        MNIce says: The bankers’ takeover of our government’s finances is only one component in the loss of our personal freedoms.

        It is the most powerful and critical component, and the only component through which a country/individual can be completely controlled. Was is the golden rule? He who controls the gold/finances of a people makes the rules! “The borrower is slave to the lender”! Now, can the lender show respect and protect the rights of the borrower? Possibly, it depends entirely on the lender. However, the lender in question seems not to give a “Fig” about our rights, or the Constitution for that matter. Therefore, we must abolish the “Fed”! The Federal Reserve is, UN-CONSTITUTIONAL, and the ENEMY of our FREEDOM!

      • Vicki

        MNice writes:
        “We must insist that our legislators be jealous of their law-making prerogatives and not cede them to executive agencies.”

        And by doing so we also benefit for the time element. They can’t possibly create as much law if they have to do it all themselves.

        Here is a campaign dedicated to getting them to write the laws.
        https://secure.downsizedc.org/etp/write-the-laws/

        It is easy and quick to log in and send a message to your congressmen.
        While you are there checkout some of their other campaigns.

      • TIME

        Dear Jay,

        That could quite well happen this December as the FED’S 100 Year contract ends around the 20th of December 2012 as I recall.

        But, on the flip side that also means that the Person’s of the Corporation known as the United States still owe them about $16 Trillion dollars, of what they can demand payment on ASAP.

        As we have nothing left to give them as they own our land and homes, our farms, our citys, our water, our electric, our ARMYS & Navy units, etc.. as well all of what ever natural resources we have.
        Well I think you’ll get my point.

        So in conclusion we are up the creak with out any form of paddle.

        For you that can’t picture it, open up any book on WW II at the end of the war with the floods of Refugees pulling hand carts or with just the cloths on their backs, but saddly most in this nation have no place to go!

        Things are not quite as sweet as many think it is at the moment!

        Peace and Love

      • Kate8

        TIME – First of all, we all need to get a different perspective.

        The adoption of the FED was a treasonous act on the part of the president and Congress. It is an overreach of our Constitution, which places all laws under the consent of the governed. I say that the act itself was fraudulent, a breach of trust on the part of the executive office, as the people had no knowledge nor understanding of what was done.

        Not only that, the FED has reaped wealth untold over the past century off the backs of the American people, who still had little or no understanding of what was being perpetrated upon us. Everything the FED has done has been done in deceit and fraud. Therefore, I maintain that, as we remove the fraudulent and illegitimate system which has usurped our republic, we are likewise released from the iron grip of the banksters upon our declaration of freedom. We need to just toss them out, like they did in Iceland.

        Sadly, the American people have displayed a great tolerance for illegitimacy in government, especially if they get something out of it. In fact, it’s the very way people are sold on accepting wrongful acts… by offering them something in exchange for tolerating violations of Law and intrusions of government. When they finally figure out the real agenda behind the “compassion”, it’s too late. The snare has been sprung.

        However, evil is never justifiable. What is conceived and perpetrated in evil should never be allowed to stand, and it is our right and our duty to expunge it. We’ve been bled and wrung out for far too long, have sacrificed too many of our children, and have had our dignity flung in our faces. I’d say any debt has been more than paid to these madmen. In fact, I’d say that the debt was illegitimate from the start, and all they have they have STOLEN from us.

        Kick the b*st*rds out. Lock them up. There are lots of FEMA camps ready to go. Let them rot until we figure out what to do with them. They are nothing but scum.

        • coastx

          BRICON SYG CERTIFICATION Grade II @Kate8 for exemplary commitment to character principled on our constitutional republic via willingness to assert the Bill of Rights and stand ground against legislative sedition and tyranny.

          Congratulations!

    • Gordon

      The word Constitution is thrown around so freely, cheapening it value. Most of what I read is lop-sided conjecture at best.

      THE MOST IMPORTANT thing about this election is……. The next president will appoint at least 1 and maybe 5 new Supreme Court Justices to lifetime terms. Ponder this: Supreme Court Justice Eric Holder.
      The second thing is that jihad will increase on homeland soil, regardless of the president.

      • coastx

        Ah, reality! Except if constitutionally minded leadership subordinates the Fed, which this is not going to happen with either Obama OR Romney getting elected. THIS is what people need to understand.

        Disclaimer: Become familiar with the constitution. Know and assert the Bill of Rights. STAND YOUR GROUND against legislative sedition and tyranny!

      • TIME

        Dear Gordon and Coastx,

        You two really need to watch the you tube feed I noted above,

        Slavery by Consent { the full version }

        Learn what really is, and whats really NOT. Good Luck.

        Peace and Love

      • http://yahoo bob peters

        target them,their families,their places of business,etc…thats what a Resistance movement will do? They can come for the guns but only get a few that aren’t already hidden.. Paybacks will be hell. I heard all this somewhere!

    • http://none Charlie

      Paul ,tells us at 1 Timothy 6:10 “the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil,”… Paul also in chapter 6 gives some solutions… The Federal Reserve is worse because they
      are dealing in non Biblical paper credit notes and charging interest on fraudulent paper
      notes ,,,how dumb are we? ,,,We need a Grand jury of True Christians to indict the Fed.
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38 is salvation …

  • rebecca weinreb

    Bravo for speaking the tragic but unfortunate truths. Your last line summed it up beautifully. Until we elect G-d fearing conservatives, we will continue to suffer in tyranny. G-d bless you Bob!

    • JimH

      It’s OK to write God. He doesn’t mind.

  • Ron Travis

    GOD HEAL OUR LAND AND SAVE OUR COUNTRY IN JESUS NAME I PRAY AMEN

    • http://none Charlie

      Ron, it will happen as 2 Chronicles 7:14 says…

  • Armen Kartvelian

    As long we citizens continue to elect representatives and senators who will pass bills that limit our freedom in the name of security, as long as the the congress is too cowardly to challenge the president’s Executive Orders, too irresponsible to exercise oversight over the administrative departments for which as they are charged to do, so long will our freedoms be threatened, limited, or taken away.

    We have only one-third of Mr Lincoln’s dictum: government of the people . Why not for the people? You call what’s being done in our name “for us”? Why not “by the people”?Because like unthinking addicts to government entitlements and other benefits we fail to act in our best interests and to elect to congress people who answer to us, not their own selfish interests.

    Shakespeare hit the nail on the head when he wrote in “Julius Caesar”,” The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves…”

    So if you do not think through how you vote or do not vote, you are as irresponsible as the congress. Think about that when you look at yourself in the mirror.

  • slickzip

    Yes I’m still free , not as much as I use to be , but I still have my guns but thats because they are not on the government owner’s rolls ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

  • braindeadus

    American voters are clueless they voted for Obama, and now the Republicans voted for Romney. They deserve to live in a socialist country. They had a chance to vote for a constitutionalist Ron Paul. We will never learn the country is doomed.

    • WillMay

      Ron Paul went into the Blithering Friggin Idiot category as soon as he wanted to audit the Federal Reserve when it was broke.

      That would reveal the unspoken secret – far and wide- that the US Dollar isn’t worth 2 Pesos net-net and bankrupt a whole lot of responsible old people who live off of Treasury interest, whilst it bankrupts the country.

      Anyone with a pulse and a brain knows the Federal Reserve and the US Treasury are both insolvent, but it is important to maintain the solvency illusion until there is an in-place plan to manage those debts.

      When you have that issue figured out- and it is working, then trot out Ron Paul and some of his less inane platform planks.

      • DaveH

        Do you have even the foggiest idea of what you’re talking about, WillMay?
        Ron Paul has been anti-Federal-Reserve and Pro-Freedom since he was first elected 30 years ago. That hasn’t changed.
        Here are some of his books. I suggest you start reading and learning (the pdf versions are free):
        http://mises.org/Literature/Author/392/Ron-Paul

    • Robert Young

      You are so right. Ron Paul believes in our Constitution and would have brought America back to Government by our Constitution. Our One World Government RINOS and elitists do not want a Constitutional Government and will go to any lengths necessary to prevent it.

    • Gordon

      Ron Paul will help cause a “perot presidency”. Need I explain? The polls are split, 45-45 and Paul with 9%. If the complainers would unite, at least Obama would be out.

      • Gordon

        I have heard it said (not by me) that some are going to vote for Obama because when O gets re-elected marshall law will be declared, the actual shooting will start, and 1 million will be killed in 30 days, many of them politicians, and with the collapse of the Republic, the 2nd Republic can begin and that “we” can fight it now instead of our grandchildren….. holy cow, what a philosophy.

      • Karolyn

        Gordon – Seriously? Wow!

      • Kate8

        Gordon – There are different factions at play in America now. It remains to be seen how Americans will respond to what is coming.

        Yes, there are factions which are h*llbent on war, on killing millions of our people and installing a completely totalitarian system.

        Then there are other factions who are at work to stop the evil factions. We will soon have to decide which side we are on. Unfortunately, many of us will find ourselves targets simply because of our skincolor and social standing.

        We may well have bloodshed on our soil. We all have to decide what we stand for. It is up to each of us to be courageous and upright, no matter what comes. When the dust settles it will have all been worth it for those left standing.

        If we do not take a stand, there will be nothing left to stand for.

  • uvuvuv

    there is more freedom than ever. kids can swear at and punch their teachers and spend the day at school yelling and throwing things, and they can go on line in the library and look at teen porn tube videos. they can break windows. “he’s expressing himself.” reproductive dynamics are in high gear. the kids don’t have to go to the library to see the videos, the teachers show them in class. well maybe that statement is going too far, but if they have a curriculum that mandates 100 hours of sex education in a given school year, how else are they going to fill the time? there is freedom! another freedom, you can buy a $30,000 f-150 pick-up with gps and then to help with the payments, go to the food pantry! i stopped donating there when the vehicles got to be newer than mine. so far no one has tried to make me go back, so think of that freedom!

    • DaveH

      That’s not Freedom you’re talking about. Freedom ends when you trespass on the bodies and property of others.

    • Gordon

      Here housing is very high because HUD will pay top dollar for shacks. Food stamp people drive up in pretty nice cars, and Medicade people do to the doctors in Lexus and Lincolns. Something is really fubar in this society.

  • Victor Gary

    “Thy Kingdom come”, said Jesus. God’s government is the answer to all of man’s problems and will soon take control of all the earth according to Daniel 2:44: “In the days of these kings (our time) shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom ……shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.” God’s kingdom is the rightful government for this earth and will replace all other governments in the near future according to Bible prophecy. The only question is: WHAT GOVERNMENT DO WE PERSONALLY SUPPORT? Our future life depends on active support of God’s Kingdom as Jesus said: (Matthew 24:14) “And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.” WHERE DO YOU STAND?

    • http://none Charlie

      Victor,,, and one gets into The Kingdom with the key from Peter at Acts 2:38 … See Matthew 16:19 to see who has The Keys ……….

  • uvuvuv

    keep in mind you freedom doubters, the ndaa protects us. in these times we need it.

    • Warrior

      Some may think, the NDAA, is really meant to protect the ones who introduced and voted for it. Kinda difficult to make a congresscreature disappear without raising an eyebrow. Everyday Joe or Jane? Not so much.

    • Robert Young

      uvuvuv, the majority of Americans neither need nor want the “protections” of the NDAA. It curtails the rights of American Citizens which the Constitution guaranteed to uphold. The Patriot Act also violates our Constitution. Both the Patriot Act and the NDAA need to be repealed. All Executive Orders should become null and void 90 days after being signed into law and cannot be renewed or extended except by being approved by both the House and Senate within the 90 day period.

      • DaveH

        Executive Orders are binding only to the agencies under the Federal Government’s control. The President does not have Constitutional authority to pass laws by Executive Order. That is purely a usurpation of the President’s Power which we as Law Abiding citizens must not allow.
        Only Congress can legally pass laws.

      • Gordon

        Dave, how would we do that? Has it worked so far? What’s left besides insurrection?

      • DaveH

        For starters Gordon, quit voting for candidates who have no record of advocating smaller Constitutional Government.
        You could those who do believe in Smaller Government here:
        http://www.lp.org/

        • coastx

          Know the Constitution. Assert the bill of Rights. STAND YOUR GROUND against legislative sedition and tyranny.

      • DaveH

        Probably the most important thing is educating our Friends and Relatives. I think this book will go a long way towards opening peoples’ eyes to the reality of Big Government (and it’s Free):
        http://library.mises.org/books/John%20V%20Denson/A%20Century%20of%20War%20Lincoln,%20Wilson%20and%20Roosevelt.pdf

      • sam1966

        Sounds like something you need to do coastx. BTW, the Bill of Rights are God-given rights and not given to us by the government. Ergo, it is God, not the Constitution, that gives us our rights. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • http://none Charlie

      are you joking or just a heathen???

  • Sirian

    It only seems plausible that the majority of the problems that we are facing today, in conjunction with our dwindling freedom, stems from well over a hundred years of social engineering. It’s traceable in a variety of directions, politically – ideologically – spiritually, as Bob has pointed out time after time. Yet still, the end result is that we are both much more so confronted with this problem on not only a national level but ever more so on a personal level – more than ever before. Even so, there remains a continuous lack of understanding, or agreement with, that we both have and are being played as nothing more than pawns. Our spiritual side is re-emerging rapidly but that too is in jeopardy. More than so many realize. Have we be conned? You Bet!

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.burge Joe Burge

    “or some other animal other than the state-approved dog or cat”
    Even then, the AUTHORITIES tax the state-approved dog, and double the tax if he is not neutered (so I have to pay extra to have a show-dog)???

    • Karolyn

      Control of the pet population is a very seriou matter. There are too many dogs and cats. Here where I live they just let them loose in the woods when their 8 weeks old and worse. I could write volumes on the subjecy, since I a an animal advocate. The one issue that I definitely take stand against is BSL, breed specific legislation, where the government can come and seize your dog because it LOOKS like a pit bull even if it has done nothing wrong. Either that or you have to move to somewhere they are “allowed.”

      • Gordon

        Pit bulls, etc. are an endangered species in middle America. If one runs loose, bang it’s dead. BillyBob does not trust dogs whose breed shows that they go beserk and kill kids.

      • Gordon

        By the way, this several county area, the law enforcement agrees. bang bang.

      • Karolyn

        Never met a pit i didn’t like or love! The owners are the ones who should be shot or severely punished insteadof being given a slap on the hand.

        • coastx

          Pit bulls were bred to herd cattle. There genealogy predisposes them to lock and load on a target. It’s unfortunate this was not taken into consideration before trying to domesticate them. I do believe they should hold owners of these animals responsible for any damage they do to people. For example, when one of these dogs kills a child, the owner should be charged and prosecuted for 2nd degree murder. THAT will end the risk issue in connection to Pitt Bull ownership.

      • Karolyn

        Gordon – Thanks. It makes me appreciate where I live when I hear there are places that are worse; and I thought it was bad here!

  • Flashy

    Mr. Livingston:

    Quite the list this morning. Somewhat misleading though. First, you fail to describe how the limitations on our liberties and freedoms was ratcheted up in the 00′s… the Bush II/Cheney years of Conservative reign. How the Patrioyt Act…supported by the Right and which any opposition (99% coming from Moderates and Progressives) was yelled down and those who stood tall against it were denigrated and accused of being anti-American.

    You don’t quite seem to list the transgressions f the Conservative rule…the warrantless arrests, the trampling on our liberties, the state sponsored torture, etc.

    You don’t detail the operation Fast and Furious was begun during conservative rule.

    On at least one of the lists of “freedoms” taken…you list a gentleman in Oregon concerning gathering of rain…which story was discussed a few weeks ago here on this site..and shown to be not exactly what it is being made out to be by the TP and other whacked rightists.

    The mindset you complain about and warn against…is the mindset emplaced by conservative rule and supported and embraced by the American Taliban. Have you read the emails between Jack Abramhoff, Grover Norquist and Ralph Reed when they worked to get a casino banned from competing with indian casinos? If you have, you’d know ol’ Ralphy was being urged and was bragging about gathering religious right opposition to gambling to help halt the Texas casino….and the religious followers of the American Taliban were referred to as “wack jobs” … yep…that’s the respect y’all who support the TP and the religious right have from the leaders of the TP and American Taliban. Monkeys easily led.

    Bob, this article may have better bite to it if you had detailed the transgressions and imitations were emplaced by fiat during the Bush II/Cheney conservative reign….and pointed out that they still are carried out. But not as many, are more spread out, and by re-electing an administration which is attacking the war on the Middle Class…we may yet prevail. But electing the very conservatives and the TPer who would do nothing but give more power to the very elements you point out and place erroneously with this administration, you support even further attacks against our very nature as a society.

    • star white

      John McCain, last election’s Republican candidate, wrote the latest NDDA. Indeed, it matters not which party is in power. The police state continues to progress!

    • Dennis

      Collecting rainwater now illegal in many states as Big Government claims ownership over our water
      Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/029286_rainwater_collection_water.html#ixzz25PoDhz25

      Is it illegal in Colorado to catch rain water?
      Yes. Because rights to water are legally allocated in Colorado, an individual may not capture and use water to which he/she does not have a right

      Read more http://www.kgbanswers.com/is-it-illegal-in-colorado-to-catch-rain-water/5039741#ixzz25Pnq0JTB

    • KQJM

      Well put, but let me ask you this. Any website that permits posting must log and keep a record of the IP address of the poster. Data mining is already taking place, algorithms being developed about to parse and use the data.

      How long will it be before the data of those criticize their government (on boards such as this) are “identified” through posts….. and what will be done with that knowledge? The internet may be the last bastion of “freedom”, as well as the last trap.

      A totalitarian grip seeks first to censure those who speak out against it….

      • DaveH

        Your point? Are you trying to scare the posters, KQJM?

      • Gordon

        KQJM you are months behind the times.

        Dave, your comment is trolling.

      • DaveH

        You are trolling Gordon. My statement was insightful.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Flashy says: Quite the list this morning. Somewhat misleading though. First, you fail to describe how the limitations on our liberties and freedoms was ratcheted up in the 00′s… the Bush II/Cheney years of Conservative reign. How the Patrioyt Act…supported by the Right and which any opposition (99% coming from Moderates and Progressives) was yelled down and those who stood tall against it were denigrated and accused of being anti-American.

      You’re way off, Flashy. Our freedoms and liberties were eliminated long before bush2. To be precise, they were eliminated the second Congress signed into law, the Fed Reserve act in 1913! How is it that you are not aware of this? Your blame game, then, as it relates to post-1913, is nothing short of ridiculous!

      • DaveH

        Bush and Cheney aren’t Conservatives. They are NeoConservatives.

      • Dave67

        I would like thank DaveH once again for showing what a “syndrome” conservatism is. The Conservatives Bush andCheney are notconservatives because conservatives in the mind of other conservatives are perfect. They never make mistakes. If they do, and Bush Inc made some HUGE mistakes… They are now neo-cons which is a bs definition. I am waiting for neo-liberal to enter into the lexicon after a liberal makes a mistake. But then again, DaveH illustrates another difference between liberals and conservatives…. DaveH and conservatives harken back to an America that has never existed. Liberals strive to improve the world today.

        • coastx

          REALITY CHECK: Neopolitics is a single party parliamentary entity having superimposed upon our bicameral system neocon for republican and neoliberal for democrat. The prime directive of this organization is occult rendition to resource ritual human sacrifice with products acquired in the US. They’ve been on this project since 325AD. They wrote the Bible (Council of Nicaea/Vatican) and the invocation to be fruitful and multiply was engineered to push the boundaries of the known world to generate population for use in ritual sacrifice. This is a Druid organization grounded in Egyptian mythology, and the Mormon, Catholic, Baptist and Nazarene churches are it’s representatives in the US with the LDS in a key relationship with the City of London. That flat unfinished region at the top of the occult pyramid is a sacrificial alter, and the all seeing eye is actually the eye or Ra. Their political infrastructure is principled on Amen-Ra Toth AKA philanthropy, sacrifice, propaganda, like that. A philanthropic handshake with any LDS leadership is sealed with human sacrifice, hence, Amen-Ra. They propagandize themselves as victims.

      • sam1966

        Coastx, why do you print that lie about the Bible again? If it was a lie before, it is still a lie now. Taking after Joseph Goebbels are we? Dave 67, care to show us a site that shows liberals trying to improve this country? I sure don’t know any liberal these days doing that. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • MNIce

      No, Flashy, conservatives did not support the PATRIOT Act. Many of us reluctantly accepted it as a necessity of war, but were very concerned about the potential for abuse. That is why Congress made it subject to renewal. Trust that the President would not abuse it was a key component of its initial passage, (so far as we know, there is no evidence that President Bush did abuse its powers, despite the numerous hysterical, non-specific claims you and others have made). The Republican-led House came very close to letting it expire last year, but Mr. Obama et al. persuaded them to renew it, and the Democrat-led Senate quickly followed suit.

      • Flashy

        MNI…ummmmm….i tried to find any part of your post that was factually correct. Alas…there is none.

        Pres. Obama did not sign a renewal of the unPatriotic Act. Do your research. He did sign a renewal of one small part…that authorizing surveillance of foreign nationals. Such was authorized since the 1950′s, but made part of the unPatriotic Act.

        Now…try again. You’re blowin’ smoke and letting everyone know you have no clue about the facts …relying instead on the false hype of the TP and American Taliban

      • DaveH

        MNIce says — “Many of us reluctantly accepted it as a necessity of war”.
        It was not a declared War, and the Patriot Act was not a necessity.
        Read here to discover how Government uses Wars and military actions to Grow their Power:
        http://library.mises.org/books/John%20V%20Denson/A%20Century%20of%20War%20Lincoln,%20Wilson%20and%20Roosevelt.pdf

      • Gordon

        I have the video. If you go back to 9/11, the Secretary of Defense declared that WW3 has begun. Maybe Congress hasn’t officially declared it, they fund it, and pretty soon jihad will spread across our homeland soil.

    • DaveH

      Flashman says — “You don’t detail the operation Fast and Furious was begun during conservative rule”.
      Could that be because it wasn’t? And those you speak of, Flashman, are NOT Conservatives, they are NeoConservative Progressives.
      http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-anti-gunrunning-effort-turns-fatally-wrong/2011/07/14/gIQAH5d6YI_story.html

      “Fast and Furious began with a noble goal.
      On Oct. 26, 2009, the directors of the FBI, the Drug Enforcement Administration and ATF and the top federal prosecutors in the Southwestern border states met with the deputy attorney general at the Justice Department to plot strategy for combating Mexican cartels. A key problem: the tens of thousands of guns coming from the United States to arm the drug traffickers”.

    • DaveH

      Flashman says — “On at least one of the lists of “freedoms” taken…you list a gentleman in Oregon concerning gathering of rain…which story was discussed a few weeks ago here on this site..and shown to be not exactly what it is being made out to be by the TP and other whacked rightists”.
      For those who want the truth (not something you can count on Flashman for):
      http://personalliberty.com/2012/07/30/man-arrested-for-collecting-rainwater-on-his-property/

      Give it up, Flashman, you have no credibility on this board.

      • Flashy

        DaveH..I know the link. Fact is, i exposed the story for the false impression it gives. The guy was not ‘arrested for collecting rainwater’…he was arrested for contempt of court and violation of water law.

        Got it? the guy is a crook stealing water. fact is, most of the ranchers in the area would rather have strung him up. his actions violated the Water Compact for the Klamath Basin, it violated water law, it violated water permitting, and whatever the story is…that part of Oregon is semi desert. Now…if you can explain how a region with high temps and only 8″ of water/annually average allows the amounts of water he has gathered in his “ponds”….I’d love to hear it.

        The guy is a thief…an out and out thief. Got it?

        As to Fast and Furious…that operation is one of several under a program initiated in 2006. Ever wonder why the GOP committees haven’t subpoena’s the former AG since under Bush II/Cheney there were more programs than Fast and Furious?

        But…truth is an unknown quantity for the wacked Right…they care not for it as it gets in the way of a good rant…

        • Liberty Lover

          Flashy’s intellectual dishonesty is manifest. Fast & Furious was a gross bastardization of a highly legitimate operation (cleared with the Mexican government) begin during the Bush years. I’m sure Obama’s thugs licked their chops at the ability to blame their dishonest, illegal operation (fully designed to kill many people (presumably mostly Mexican) on their predecessors.

          As for the thuggish abuse of the Oregon citizen, water that falls on his property SHOULD belong to him. If the surrounding community wants to purchase it from him, they should be free to make an offer. The fact that collectivist legislators ruled otherwise does not alter the morality of the situation. COLLECTIVISTS ARE THE THIEVES IN THIS MATTER.

      • Vicki

        Flashy demonstrates why he has no credibility by writing:
        “DaveH..I know the link. Fact is, i exposed the story for the false impression it gives. The guy was not ‘arrested for collecting rainwater’…he was arrested for contempt of court and violation of water law. ”

        So what are the details the flashy ignored.
        Contempt of court. Nothing in the article talks of contempt of court. Flashy provides no evidence. Proof by bald assertion.

        Water law. Since rain water is water and he was collecting water that fell on HIS property (rain) in containers that he had actually bothered to get permits for (though the government took those away showing the danger of depending on government for rights), I find that he WAS arrested for collecting rainwater.

        Here is another story on the case
        http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/16/man-disputes-oregon-convictions-illegal-water-use/

        That article clearly recognizes that he was arrested for collecting rain water. An agent from the County involved even admits that “water law is water law”. Oh and no evidence of a “contempt of court”.

        So what again was the false impression you claim flashy?
        (And I bet flashy still doesn’t understand why he has no credibility here :) )

      • Flashy

        Vicki…what part of the one quote I pasted about Fast and Furious being part of an overall program do you not understand? The ONLY difference between F&F and prior operations is the Mexican authorities were not “in” on the deal and thus could not tip off the drug kingpins as had been appearing to be the case. But that’s OK…you keep living in the fog..that’s where they want you to be.

        As for the water rights case…it is plain you know absolutely nothing about water law…nd you can explain to everyone how a region averaging less than a foot of rain a year can fill the “ponds” he has on the property. Especially when the summer temps hit 100 deg on a regular basis.

        As for the State using its police powers … ummmm… care to argue with the jury?

        It’s range and cattle country. They hang people for lesser offenses than taking water. The guys is a low life thief. And that’s being kind in the description. The only ones who try and make this guy out to be a martyr of some sorts are the right wing publications and web sites who rely upon the readers as you to be ignorant. In your case, they aren’t wrong in placing that reliance…

        “a six-member jury convicted him on three counts each on charges of illegal use of water denied by a water master, unauthorized use of water and interfering with a lawfully established head gate or water box.”

        • coastx

          @Flashy You dumb [expletive deleted]. F/F was cover for Schwarzenegger having been involved in trafficking arms to central America during his tenure as Governor of California. This got reported 2011, which triggered F/F to shield him and the entire NGA form a corruption probe involving sponsoring a border insurgency. Why do you think Arizona is fighting so hard to curtail this little enterprise? Not all US governors were in on this, but Huckabee was during it’s early inception. Go back to sleep.

      • Flashy

        DaveH and Vicki….speaking of credibility..perhaps a tad bit of research would do y’all wonders…but then, exercising your brain matter may be asking too much…

        HARRINGTON CONVICTION AND SENTENCE
        July 27, 2012

        Judgment Addresses 11 Years of Illegal Water Use

        On Wednesday July 11, 2012, a Jackson County Circuit Court Jury convicted Eagle Point resident Gary A. Harrington on nine counts, each related to the unauthorized use of water. Under Oregon law, all water is publicly owned, and those who wish to use it for their own purposes must obtain a water right permit issued by the Oregon Water Resources Department (OWRD). State law grants various exceptions to this requirement, including an exception for collecting precipitation water that gathers on an artificial impervious surface, such as a rooftop or parking lot; in rain barrels, for example.

        Harrington stored and used water illegally by placing dams across channels on his property and preventing the flow of water out of these artificial reservoirs without obtaining a water right permit. The height of each dam varies; two dams stand about ten feet tall and the third stands about 20 feet tall. The total amount of water collected behind these dams totals about 40 acre feet; enough to fill almost 20 Olympic-sized swimming pools. These man-made reservoirs feature boat docks, boats, and were stocked by Harrington with trout and Bluegill for recreational fishing.

        The state first identified Harrington’s illegal water use more than ten years ago and initiated enforcement action to discontinue his illegal use of water. After numerous attempts by OWRD and the Watermaster to achieve voluntary compliance, the Department enlisted the assistance of the Oregon State Police in 2002. Citations were issued, and Harrington pleaded guilty to several violations. He was assessed a nominal fine and ordered to drain the three reservoirs, which he did. However, Harrington again closed the headgates in 2004 and refilled the reservoirs. As a result, OWRD and the Oregon State Police submitted reports to the Jackson County District Attorney’s Office alleging additional violations of Oregon water law. That office filed misdemeanor charges against Harrington, and in 2008 he pled guilty to one count. He was issued another fine, placed on one year probation, and was again ordered to drain the reservoirs.

        According to testimony in the most recent trial, the day after Harrington’s probation expired, he again closed the outlet valves and refilled the reservoirs. The District Attorney’s Office enlisted the help of the Oregon Department of Justice, charges were once again filed in Jackson County Circuit Court, and on July 11, 2012, a jury found Harrington guilty of all nine counts.

        On Wednesday the Court sentenced Mr. Harrington to 30 days in jail and three years’ probation, and imposed a $1,500 fine. Judge Timothy Gerking also ordered that the headgates holding back the water be opened and kept open with locks and chains. He also ordered the dams to be breached after the water is drained.

        “Mr. Harrington has operated these three reservoirs in flagrant violation of Oregon law for more than a decade,” noted OWRD Deputy Director Tom Paul. “We rely on the judicial system to maintain the rule of law and the Court’s conviction and sentencing in this case has done just that.”

        Officials with the Department, in conjunction with the State Police, plan to visit the site during the next several days in order to confirm Harrington’s compliance with court orders.

        • coastx

          This is an example of truth being smashed by reality. Excellent journalism!

      • DaveH

        ““Mr. Harrington has operated these three reservoirs in flagrant violation of Oregon law for more than a decade,” noted OWRD Deputy Director Tom Paul. “We rely on the judicial system to maintain the rule of law and the Court’s conviction and sentencing in this case has done just that.”
        More than a decade? Does that tell anybody anything? He went more than a decade without any complaints and prosecution of his “unlawful” behavior? Apparently he wasn’t doing much harm, was he?
        And Flashman, in my earlier comment I did nothing but post the link. How does that pertain to my credibility?
        That is exactly why you have no credibility, Flashman. You just fabricate facts out of whole cloth.

      • vicki

        Flashy tries to increase his credibility by writing (without any supporting link):
        “DaveH and Vicki….speaking of credibility..perhaps a tad bit of research would do y’all wonders…but then, exercising your brain matter may be asking too much…”

        Amusing ad hominem atttack on DaveH and myself. But considering the source…..

        Now to some interesting tidbits from flashy proof by bald assertion writing (could be his imagination for all we “ignorant” people know.

        Flashy: “Under Oregon law, all water is publicly owned, and those who wish to use it for their own purposes must obtain a water right permit issued by the Oregon Water Resources Department (OWRD).”

        So the socialists in Oregon have claimed that the water is owned by everyone and must be rationed by the OWRD. This is one of the key flaws in Communism. If everyone owns IT who gets to choose how IT is to be used. Why the bureaucrat of course. Same for Socialism.

        Flashy: “State law grants various exceptions to this requirement, including an exception for collecting precipitation water that gathers on an artificial impervious surface, such as a rooftop or parking lot; in rain barrels, for example.”

        Thus we see that the socialists in Oregon have no real interest in environmental protection. All the property owner has to do is put up a (really big) parking lot. There is a little matter of getting permission to pave your property. Ah but that is back to the point of the OP (“So you think you are free”).

        Flashy: “Harrington stored and used water illegally by placing dams across channels on his property and preventing the flow of water out of these artificial reservoirs without obtaining a water right permit.”

        Thus further supporting the point of the OP.

        So we can deduce from this posting from flashy that he is a socialist. Or a progressive dreamer since we don’t have any evidence from flashy that what he wrote is actual.
        But then this is old news.

        • coastx

          Disagree. I think there’s an ecological issue here that needs to rein in individuality. Oregon’s pretty wet, so I can understand how damming up a small lake could present as a safety hazard for not only the environment and it’s animal inhabitants but people who live in the surrounding area, too. It’s one thing to catch a small reservoir that if it broke lose the most would happen is it would temporarily flood the immediate area and cause no damage. It’s another thing entirely to have several 10- 20 foot dams that present a perceivably catastrophic impact on an environment. No Walden here. This guy was pushing the boundary on domestic relativism. Decision for the prosecution. NEXT case!

    • http://yahoo bob peters

      yes Bush and Cheney along with clinton and carter and now Obama all have a hand in handing our soverignity over to the U.N…As for Sarah Palin,she is a real American Patriot..Your communist media saw to it to discredit her because she was real and unique and therefore a threat to them..The resistance is real and alive and will prevail.”I heard that somewhere”…So that gives me hope for the future. I also heard that all you traitors will be remembered and dealt with accordingly. You can take God from the books,the walls,the billboards etc,but you can’t take God from the hearts and minds..Remember that..You will not prevail.

  • Craig E

    How true these liberal no minds do not even understand stand the word FREEDOM in a round about way i am also like Brandon R i was also in the Corps and talked about the word tyranny & guess what i am now branded a TRAITOR by this Gov. i am being fallowed all the time for 3 months in Minnesota this is the worst insult to me and what i thought this Country stood for OUR FREEDOM OF right to prosper,live without Gov. interfearance in our lives SEMPER FI

    • DaveH

      Big Government doesn’t like insiders spilling the beans.

  • boyscout

    Not to worry about the building of FEMA camps and gulags, we can enjoy imprisonment right at home.

    • Thinking About

      Do you have a FEMA camp near your residence?

      • Gordon

        Conveniently located at a pleasant place near everybody.

      • sam1966

        There is one currently in Der Lick, Indiana. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

  • Jeff K

    Flashy,
    Sure you can blame the Bush Administration, they are progressive just like your Clinton and Obama Administrations. Ron Paul and many on the Libertarian ticket are the only true non-progressive persons running. Until we remove big government lackeys like you we will never be safe or free.

    • Flashy

      I know Jeff..it’s everyone’s fault but yours. you had nothing to do with it. uh huh … sure….

      Who’d you vote for in the 00′s ? Bush II/Cheney or Gore and Kerry?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        It would have made no difference who you voted for, Flashy.

      • Vicki
      • Kate8

        Hey guys…Check this out. The liberal media is beginning to turn on Obama…and TELL THE TRUTH FOR A CHANGE.

        This is astonishing. It’s about friggin’ time!

        http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/the-washington-post-on-obamafinally/question-2601863/

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Yes Kate8, i noticed that as well. This turn of events should make one pause and wonder; What sort of deal did Mitt make with the lord of the under-world?

        • coastx

          Hahaha… Too much! HAHAHA

      • Kate8

        Good point, Jay. Makes sense.

        Did you also see where the charges against Sheriff Arpaio have been dropped… and that, also, no charges have been filed against Obama as a result of his investigation.

        Another deal worked out? Hmmmmm. Are there none who have honor?

      • Vicki

        Kate8 says:
        “Did you also see where the charges against Sheriff Arpaio have been dropped…”

        It wasn’t “the charges” it was some of the charges. There are still other court cases against the good Sheriff that must be dealt with.

  • Ted Gager

    One does not have to be religious to be a Patriotic American. Moral fibre and integraty are the most important ingredients. You can’t get those in PUBLIC SCHOOLS anymore. The faculty is far to diverse these days thanks to immigration and political correctness.
    Morality is a grab bag and the bag is filled by the immoral. Moral fibre and integraty come from ones family upbinging. Others come to this nation for different reasons. One ominous reason is to remake this nation as the one they came from for their own selfish reasons. The results are obvious.
    The will to allow others to conduct their lives as one wishes to conduct ones own, in an uninterupted manner, is really a good beginning. Their are reasonable exceptions of course. Sharia Law is one such exception. Only one group wants it. That is selfish!
    Political correctness is a FARCE and is aimed at distorting the ideas of anyone that has ideas of their own. Politicians promiss constituants that they will argue on their behalf when they get to DC. When they get to DC all bets are off. Look at your representitives voting record to see if your will has been honored. I bet not. They expect that you will not notice. You must, but it may very well be too late anyway. Get ready for the repercussions….

    • Chester

      Ted, so much of that is not being taught, not due to any “Progressive” ideals, but due to parents deciding their child was being “picked on” by the school administration for not being what he or she didn’t WANT to be. Lawsuits followed, generally won by the complainant, which forced rules to be put in place saying schools could NOT discipline a child for anything by anything other than a “time out”area, or, if worse came to worst, suspension, often served in school, or actually kicking the child out of that school, which amounts to automatic placement in an “at risk” class, which is almost like sending him to jail. Those “at risk” classes are for the kids who absolutely can NOT get along in school, and thus are the very people who should not be interacting with each other constantly.

    • coastx

      Moral fibre and integrity… You are hinting at reason. I like Ayn Rand’s version better. You’re definitely on our side. Reason. We’re fighting atramental. Soon as people figure out what this means it’ll be pretty much over. It’s like, Johnny, this is a picture of the Devil, and HERE’S a picture of our president…hahaha

      • http://none Charlie

        coastx,,, Anyway,,,
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

  • Louis Lemieux

    Hey Bob!

    “We live in an America our Founding Fathers wouldn’t recognize and they certainly wouldn’t approve of it.“ How wrong can you be!!! No doubt our Founding Fathers wouldn’t recognize our present day America but they certainly WOULD approve of it! No more outhouses, the possibility of talking almost instantly to anyone on the planet, the freedom to go to Europe in less than one day etc… All those constraints you mention are more or less necessary for our wellbeing because we live in a complex society our ancestors could barely imagine or foresee. Who wants others to use their freedom to put us in danger or make our lives unbearable? We don’t live in a perfect world but we can try to make it better taking into consideration that we are not alone, living among people with diverse tastes and goals.

    • Victor Gary

      The ‘founding fathers’ were imperfect men. What about our Heavenly Father! He is the creator. What does he think about the mess on earth? Psalm 37:10 says the in a little while the wicked will be no more. Verse 11 says that “The meek ones themselves will possess the earth.” Verse 29 says “The righteous themselves will possess the earth and they will reside forever upon it.” WHERE DO YOU FIT INTO THIS!

      • Louis Lemieux

        Some people KNOW God exists and some people KNOW God doesn’t exist. It’s important for me to be sincere with myself as much as possible and I KNOW I am very sincere when I say I’m not perfect enough to KNOW if God exist or does not exist. If God exists, I’m sure that’s what He wants of me, to be sincere with myself.

        • Victor Gary

          I appreciate your feelings. I personally see evidence all around me that God exists. As Hebrews 3:4 says: “Every house is constructed by someone, but he that constructed all things is God.”

          Romans 1:20: “For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable.”

          I have never seen my brain but I believe I have one. I have never seen air, but it keeps me alive.

      • Louis Lemieux

        I have never seen George Washington but I’m sure he did exist. Because we are social creatures, we often utilize an indirect mode to get to “know“ something, a mode that allows us to rely on someone else or on something else in order to draw a conclusion without having to see or think it through from the beginning on our own. However, in order to use an authority like the Bible, we must first accept it as valid, and in order to do that we must become convinced of its reliability by our sense experience, logic, emotion, or intuition, and thence come to trust it.

        • Victor Gary

          Jehovah’s Witnesses will be happy to help you to build faith in the Bible. They can show you, for example, how Bible principles have proved to be absolutely dependable throughout history; how the Bible is in agreement with science when it touches on scientific matters; how it is entirely harmonious from beginning to end; how its prophecies have unerringly come true—and much, much more. If you wish, feel free to visit http://www.jw.org and request a free home Bible discussion, without any obligation. You can also investigate a wealth of Bible information on the site.

      • Gordon

        Louie, you are another of the bloodline that “just happened”

      • Gordon

        Victor, the #1 premise of Christianity (big C) is that Jesus Christ of the Bible IS GOD, THE ACTUAL GOD of the Hebrew Old Testament. Mormons and JWs don’t believe that….. in fact, neither do some of the main stream “christian” (small c) denominations. Let me ask, who is the whore church of Revelation?

        • Sammi

          Jesus didn’t agree with you either. He said in John 14:28: “My father is greater than I.”

          1 Corinthians 11:3 says: “The head of Christ is God.”

          Acts 2:24 says of Jesus: “Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death.”

          God said from heaven (Matt 3:17): “This is my SON, the beloved.” HIM I believe!

    • DaveH

      Your whole comment is a non-sequitur, Louis. The advances you mention would have occurred with or without Big Government. Without Big Government meddling, they would have occurred faster. And nobody has said that Freedom allows people to trespass on other peoples’ bodies and property. In fact, it is you Progressives who hire Big Government to act as their proxies in doing that very trespassing.
      Big Government is Force. They use that Force to keep people from trading freely and keeping the fruits of their own labor. And Progressives, such as yourself Louis, promote that Government Force.

      • Louis Lemieux

        Our Founding Fathers could not foresee the complex society in which we now live. Freedom is not limited to trespassing on bodies and properties not our own. It also has to do with justice and many other fields of our lives.Libertarians believe no law should prevent anyone or any group of people from acquiring the assets of someone else who is willing to sell. Nevertheless, antitrust laws are necessary to protect competition, something our Founding Fathers could not foresee.

      • DaveH

        Louis says — “Our Founding Fathers could not foresee the complex society in which we now live”.
        Actually, there were people who made those same arguments 200 years ago, Louis. Our society is “complex” because you Progressives have made in that way, Louis, with your constant meddling in the Marketplace and stealing peoples’ money as if it were your own.

        Louis says — “Nevertheless, antitrust laws are necessary to protect competition, something our Founding Fathers could not foresee”.
        Antitrust laws protect competition? Do you really believe that, Louis, or are you just propagandizing? Antitrust laws do the opposite. They protect those companies who aren’t doing the right things from those who are. In other words, they Stifle Competition:
        http://mises.org/daily/436

        • coastx

          Become familiar with the constitution. Know and assert the Bill of Rights. STAND YOUR GROUND against legislative sedition and tyranny!

      • sam1966

        Need to do that yourself coastx.

        “Respect your country always. Respect your government, when they earn it.”

        Mark Twain

        This administration sure hasn’t earned anyone’s respect. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

    • Liberty Lover

      The idea that the Founding Fathers would judge contemporary America by the material progress (made possible by their governing philosophies) is idiotic drivel.

    • Louis Lemieux

      Several friends of mine are Jehovah’s Witnesses and one thing I learned (indirectly) from them is that faith can be very mysterious. Religion is a big part of humanity’s subconscious and science is a big part humanity’s consciousness. Our individual subconscious is an important part of each and everyone of us as it underlies our consciousness. The more we become conscious and understand why we are not free, the more we can become free.

  • Jon

    I don’t think the Almighty gave anyone freedom. He has provided the means to obtain and keep it. That action is up to each and every one of us. The government is using religion as another way to divide us and to divert our attention to targets of opportunity so we don’t look to deeply into what they’re up to. Hitler refined this process to a tee. Sadly it can work. The same is being done in many other countries, if not all.
    This includes Islam bashing. Unlike most of you, I have lived in a Moslem country and shared bread with my neighbors, as they say. For the most part, the “regular” people are the same as us. They want to raise their children, have a roof over their heads, and to be left alone. Their leaders try to stir them up for political and financial reasons having nothing really to do with religion. Sound familiar? (note– I am a devout Christian).
    The bottom line, we need to know who the Enemy is. It’s not the Christians, the Jews, the Moslems or the atheists. Nor is it the rich capitalists or the immigrants or people who have guns or people who don’t have guns or women or gays, etc. As long as we elect and support power-mad nazis (of both parties) whose sole ambition is absolute control, we will see our freedoms disappear slowly or quickly. All that World War II solved, after millions of lives were lost, uncountable property damage and misery, was to change the names of the despots in control. The world today is not much different than it was in the 1030s.
    As long as we spend all our energy striking out at each other, the Enemy wins. God help us.

    • Victor Gary

      God gave man perfect freedom. It is the governments of men that have taken it away! These governments of all kinds are mere puppets controlled by Satan.Jesus said “My kingdom is no part of this world.” He did not get involved in politics. When they wanted to make him king, he disappeared. Why? Because the rulerships of men are all influenced by unseen evil elements. After Jesus was baptized, Luke 4:5-8 records that Satan the Devil offered him authority over all the earthly kingdoms or governments. Jesus declined. Satan is the unseen ruler of this world. From the garden of Eden he has contended that he was a better ruler than God. God has granted him these thousands of years to prove what kind or world he would produce. WELL, YOU SEE IT NOW!. It is only FIT FOR DESTRUCTION IN GOD’S JUDGMENT!
      So Jesus told his disciples to be “no part of the world” (John 17:16) and when there was a conflict between the law of the land and God’s law (Acts 5:29): “We must obey God as ruler rather than men.” WHERE DO YOU STAND!

      • vicki

        Government is a necessary force. In the ideal world everyone would be self governing and would never step on anyone else nor initiate force against anyone else. When you find that world do send word.

        In the mean time in this world, because of whomever you care to blame, there are those who would force their free will on the unwilling. To protect ourselves from those who would use forcein this way, governments are instituted among men.

        Sound familiar? It should. If not then you need to re-read the Declaration Of Independence.

        “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.”

        • Sammi

          Vicki: Thanks for your thoughtful comments. What you say is true purely from a worldly viewpoint. However, God never intended man to rule himself. Jeremiah 10:23 says that “It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.”

          It was God’s rule that issued the law in the garden of Eden in Genesis 2 not to eat of a certain tree. It was a test of loyalty to God’s rule. God’s rule was challenged when the one behind the serpent implied that God was a liar and that man would be like God if he ate of the forbidden fruit, determining for himself what was moral (right and wrong).

          God gave men a definite time period to rule, without interruption from God, to prove what kind of world he could produce without God’s intervention. Here we are, more than 6,000 years later and what does the history show? Man has miserably failed to bring peace, security, health and happiness to all mankind.

          That’s why we have the Bible. The theme of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation emphasizes God’s Kingdom rule under Jesus as King as the only hope for distressed humanity. Yes, a heavenly government, but it rules this earth and brings about a perfect world, free of sickness, death, wickedness, terrorism, crime, division, hatred, on and on.

          Read the book of Matthew. What did Jesus preach about? “The Kingdom of Heaven” What did he send his disciples to preach about? “The Kingdom” He also taught them to pray “Thy Kingdom Come!”–a prayer for God’s government to take complete control.

          Revelation 16:14-16 shows that is what Armageddon is all about. It is a war between the governments of earth and God’s heavenly forces under the direction of his Son and Executioner of Judgment, Jesus Christ. Revelation 19 shows that war will remove all of men’s governments and those supporting them. Please read it carefully.

          Right now is the time for us to choose the rule we want to give our support to for earth. Are you satisfied with how man has been running things?

          If we support any kind of government of men, we will receive the same fate as it does. Please read Daniel 2:44, “The God of heaven will set up a kingdom that never will be destroyed…..It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite.”

          Please study the Bible to learn how you can survive the end of this wicked system of rulership and enjoy the blessing of living in paradise forever with beautiful people who truly love and care for one another. Jehovah’s Witnesses will be happy to help you gain the knowledge that leads to everlasting life without charge or obligation. (John 17:3)
          http://www.jw.org

          • coastx

            You have God and the Bible confused. God is reality. The Bible is a Druid mystery works created in the manner of a Grimm’s Fairytale literature by the Council of Nicaea/Vatican approximately 325AD. When you quote the Bible, you are quoting a largely Satanic literature that has absolutely NO basis in reality and is therefore about as descriptive of God as a cave is of sunlight. Therefore, you’re a madman pressing an insane literature into the mainstream with no idea what you are doing, who you are doing it for or where it is ultimately leading people. WAKE UP!

            Become familiar with the constitution. Know and assert the Bill of Rights. STAND YOUR GROUND against legislative sedition/tyranny and propaganda!

          • Sammi

            What a way to respond to God’s love, coastx!!!. Your comment is so unreasonable I refuse to comment on it.

      • sam1966

        SSDD, eh coastx? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        • Sammi

          Just think what freedom Adam and Eve had in the Garden of Eden. Only one law, to not eat of the fruit of the tree that was in the middle of the garden. That one law was basically to teach man that Jehovah God was the one to set the boundaries. Those boundaries set by God for his intelligent creatures are for their benefit and protection. Like, for example, the physical laws that govern energy and matter

          Back in the garden of Eden, Satan asserted that the key to true freedom is independence from Jehovah God. What a malicious and monstrous lie that has proved to be! Indeed the more people disregard the moral and spiritual boundaries established by God, the more society as a whole suffers. We cannot disregard the law of gravity without getting hurt. The same is for the spiritual and moral laws set by God.

          Nevertheless we have the hope of seeing an end to mankind’s enslavement to sin and corruption and of enjoying what the Bible calls “the glorious freedom of the children of God.” (Romans 8:21)

          This will take place in answer to the prayer: “Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.”

          • coastx

            That tree was man, and the fruit was man’s own children. The invocation was to not eat one’s own children. Eve did this anyway enticed by a grifter, which is typical seduction even today in neopolitics. The Satan was the cult of Satan, or a priesthood, which practiced necromancy which is still practiced today in the UK. This sacrifice ritual is linked to Druid mysticism which institutionalized via the Masonic Union in a meld with the Templars approximately 1530 and which was opposed by the Illuminated Masonic founders who later wrote protection from this into the Bill of Rights, hence the 2nd amendment. Sammi, you’re a few hundred years behind the times, which makes you a good slave but dangerous to a constitutional republic. The Bible is the operating manual for despotism.

      • http://naver samurai

        More lies again coastx? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        • coastx

          Yes, well…Spoons full of Biblical paranoia are like castor oil, which they thought THAT would cure man’s issues with impulsivity, too.

    • Karolyn

      Thanks for your post!

    • Gordon

      Nowhere in the Old or New Testaments of the Bible does principle teach us to be passive and pray, and accept all what happens as God’s will. To the contrary it teaches us to fight the devils on every level, while praying.

      • coastx

        Well, actually, Romans 13… The bible is a fraud anyway. See for yourself here:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD9f0XU_S78

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frwlyx2u8JE

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmEThdQpAJA

      • Sammi

        Check you Bible again:

        2 Timothy 2:24 says: “A slave of the Lord does not need to fight, but needs to be gentle toward all…..restrained under evil.”

        Matthew 26:52 says: “All they that take the sword will perish with the sword.”

        John 18:36: “Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: If my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now is my kingdom not from hence.”

        Romans 12:19: “Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath; for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.”

        2 Corinthians 10:3,4: “For though we walk in the flesh, we do not wage warfare according to what we are in the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly, but powerful by God for overturning strongly entrenched things. For we are overturning reasonings and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God.”

  • Dave67

    More fear here… Shocking…. Newsflash, just because you are Christian, Jewish or any other man made religion, it does not give you a leg up on freedom and morality. Oh the poor Christians in this country, they are so oppressed aren’t they? They only have about 10 TV channels on cable to spread their word. They have endless radio stations also geared to spread the word. But because (and rightly so) the gov is making sure no religion has preference of another on public buildings and public lands by not allowing their symbols, they think that is gov oppression. Give me a break. Religion should be practiced in you home, your heart and your church, temple etc.

    When gov gets involved with religion, that is when you start to see a true erosion of freedom (see Saudi Arabia, Israel, Nazi Germany).

    I wish people would stop with the faux loss of freedom and live some place where there is a true lack of freedom. Nonsense like this article does us no favors.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      The problems we face are not the result of religion or a lack thereof, it is simply human nature in full display. Religious leaders can be as tyrannical as the non-religious variety. Long before i came to my faith, even then, i could discern that there was something catastrophically wrong with man; and that, made worse by religion, politics, psychology and every other man-made construction to address and remedy what is wrong with man. Until each one of us says in his heart, “I’m wrong with the world”, and stops blaming the other, the idioticy, and the madness will continue!

      • KQJM

        Well, it takes a long time to get to that point Jay, and a lot of living….. but I get where you are coming from. You don’t say how old you are, but I am reminded of this saying when reading your post “you can’t put an old head on young shoulders”.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Kudos, KQJM! Yours is a particularly wise-comment!

      • Dave67

        The freedom or the perception of lack there of has to do with money. The wealth gap is the biggest factor in the middle classes and poor’s perception of a lack of freedom. Until we get big money out of the political process, this will continue. The wealthy make the policy, not the middle class and poor. You want people to feel like they have more freedom, start here.

      • DaveH

        The “wealth gap” is a by-product of Big Government. To learn some reality, read chapter 7 — “The Morality of Capitalism”. Better yet, read the whole book:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Dave67 says: Until we get big money out of the political process, this will continue.

        Agreed, and i would go a step further; “Until we get big-government, with their exorbitant appetite for wealth and power out of our private-lives, this will continue.

        • coastx

          Focus… A little more, please. This is getting us closer to reality. A+

          Become familiar with the constitution. Know and assert the Bill of Rights. STAND YOUR GROUND against legislative sedition and tyranny.

    • http://www.poorgrandchildren.com poorgrandchildren.com

      Yes, there are worse places than America. But freedom here is rapidly being eaten away by the growing support for fascism. You might be a fascist if you say, “There ought to be a law…”

    • MNIce

      “Congress shall make no law … respecting the establishment of a religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof (emphasis added). Most, if not all, state constitutions have similar restrictions on government involvement in religion. However, there is a religion taught in public schools. It is the religion of secular humanism. Its dogmas are pervasive – “all things happen by natural processes,” so it is taught that time and chance have creative powers; morality is not fixed, but depends on the situation; any criticism that does not fit the official definition of tolerance is not to be tolerated, but perversions that are offensive to followers of almost every other religion must be not only tolerated must be celebrated, etc. And of course, any practice or free personal exercise associated with the Christian religion represents competition, so it is frequently prohibited as “a violation of the separation of church and state,” but somehow Islam is often tolerated despite its much more intrusive nature. This quasi-official state religion is also imposed in other government institutions and many corporations.

      So in this sense, government has brought a religious war upon us.

      • Dave67

        There is nothing the gov is doing today that stops anyone from practicing their religion as long as the practice of the religion does not hurt another person.

    • DaveH

      Nonsense is your comment, Dave67. We may have a modicum of Freedom left, but that is no excuse for tolerating what we have lost.
      People are now slaves to the Government for 40% of their year. We can’t pursue the occupation of our choice without Government licensing or other hoops to jump through. We can’t hire and fire who we want as employers. We can’t trade freely with our fellow citizens. We can’t choose what to put in our own bodies. We are coerced to allow Government to put things in our bodies we don’t approve (vaccinations). Etc. Etc. Etc.
      In general, we are Free in name only.
      I suspect that, at the least, Dave67, you work for Government or benefit from their Crony protection. That is the only explanation I can figure for your constant attempted Propaganda on this board.

      • Dave67

        DaveH, you speak of propaganda? Well you are the king of propaganda. You have nothing to say about the fact the the America you wish for has NEVER EXISTED. Or that the “free market” as mises.org tals it has NEVER. EXISTED. That does not stop you from selling your bs here time and time again. You are the master of theorist conservatist selfishness where the laws that govern 300M people in the largest economy are all authoritarian and socialist. Its bunk just like mises.org… If you had your way, the 1st amendment would be gone because you believe gov causes all problems and not corp money paid to gov to put forth policy friendly to their interests. You put the chicken before the egg. You know nothing how the real global economy and multiple currencies work. You can call me all the names you wish. You are simply unoriginal and a propagandist.

        • Liberty Lover

          One of the great tragedies of history is that Dave67 is right: a truly free market has never actually been tried by any society. Of course, the country that came closest, the USA, became the most prosperous AND generous country in history, but thanks to the good (but unenlightened) intentions of “progressives” like Dave67, millions of Americans have failed to escape the world of poverty. You don’t need to be “original,” DaveH, as long as you continue to cite appropriate passages from Mises. If Dave67 ever read any Mises or Hayek, the effort clearly exceeded his obviously limited intellectual capacity.

      • Dave67

        Liberty Lover,

        Tell me how a “free market” works in a world filled with different currencies and different styles of Gov.

        The problem with DaveH is that mises.org is great theory. It just does not work in the real world. DaveH response to everything is to send the reader to his 200 page mises.org link in the hopes there is some relevancy to the subject being discussed.

        When you deal with countries that have different social compacts, manipulate their currencies and different class systems…the mises.org theory fails….

        Liberty Lover, we trade with a country that makes a widget for .30 on the dollar. Does that have downward or upward pressure on wages here for those making the same widget? If the Gov we trade with takes care of HC for their firms while the firms here have to pick up part of the HC tab, that puts the foriegn firm at an unfair advantage.

        These are a few of the many examples why the “free” market is not free. We institute what mises.org prescribes for this country, we die in the marketplace, the middle class falls down further.

        DaveH needs to wise up and understand how the world works… Apparently you do too.

        • Liberty Lover

          Perhaps if you actually read an occasional Mises reference by DaveH, it would lend some order to your very, very confused thinking. The more complex an economy becomes, the more essential are the almost infinite adjustments routinely made in a free market by all participants in seeking to optimize their own circumstances. Those continuous optimizing adjustments by individuals lead to the greatest good for the greatest number. I think you’d be capable of understanding it if you were not among the “dispositionally uneducable.”

          • Liberty Lover

            When the free-market becomes global, we all benefi significantly as consumers. But those producers relatively unprepared because of skill levels and pay scales to compete in a global market will experience a very painful period of adjustment. Globalization has been infinitely more helpful than foreign aid in lifting millions out of poverty, but it has devasated the economic circumstances of those who lost manufacturing jobs to foreign competition. The US unemployment problem won’t be resolved until prevailing wages reach market-clearing levels. Unless something is done to induce the private sector to create many millions of new jobs, there will years and years of further substantial economic pain. Free trade is very definitely producing the greatest good for the greatest number, but many of the biggest beneficiaries are not Americans.

          • coastx

            THIS is what we’ve been waiting for. An increase in consumerism on the back of slave labor. Now THAT’S what I call a solid economic plan. They did this in the south for decades, may I add, and look what it did for the elite! The plantation was the ultimate Amen-Ra Toth of it’s day. By Gawd we can do this!

          • coastx

            Pyramid economic schemes work for me!

        • coastx

          Have to use a labor market if you want to clean up the currency issue. It’s not about this anyway. It’s about shock and awe. You are focusing on the wrong problem.

      • http://yahoo bob peters

        You government bloggers will be uncovered,,I heard somewhere. you will be held accountable for your contribution to tyranny..We are being monitored by the govt.and guess what..The government is being monitored by the resistance I heard. So I think therefore that you govt. bloggers have to be a little careful too??I heard it it easy to find out who you are?? Those rumors are circulating and i have no clue how true ..

        • actual socialist

          I can,t hepl but notice how everey other thing you say is followed by ” i heared ” he who belives everything he hears knows nothing bob remember that

    • Gordon

      Geez Dave, you’re a communist? MOST government buildings from DC to podunk have Judeo/Christian symbols and sayings on them. The United States of America was conceived and created by oppressed Judeo basedChristians who came here to be able to worship Jesus Chist as they see fit. THAT is Freedom of Religion. Not freedom to worship any other supposed idol. Because this Republic has catered to the “religious masses” in allowing them special written privileges to be heathens is the reason that we are in this condition.

      • Gordon

        That ^^^^^ is addresses to Dave67, as should be obvious by the paragraph indentions.

      • Dave67

        Gordon,

        Do you have the same religious beliefs as your neighbor? How about the people that live a few miles from you? No, you don’t which is the inherent danger of gov picking an “offical” religion. That is the point… You are free in this country to worship a chair if you wish. Just keep your religious beliefs out of the gov unless you proof that everyone in this country believes in god the same way you do if at all.

        That is what the founding fathers had in mind.

        • coastx

          HAHAHA…I started laughing at this. And I’m sitting here asking myself why am I laughing at this? The Illuminated Masons were the founders. They were also strongly inspired by the Cathars. No one seems to be aware of this. They fell to Britain’s repatriation enterprise what was largely precipitated by the Mormon church, an organization issuing on a Knights of Malta protocol. The Illuminati was subsequently bastardized and is being blamed for everything the Mormon church is actually doing, the LDS the actual organization that is the negative core of the state department and DHS. The Cathars perceived the fraud behind the Bible, hence the Inquisition. Today inquisition is DHS/TSA and police officer summary judgement which is producing thousands of unjustified deaths per year across the US. HAHAHA You folks are chasing your tails.

          Become familiar with the constitution. Know and assert the Bill of Rights. STAND YOUR GROUND against legislative sedition and tyranny.

  • coastx

    Oligarchs covet their cigars, and so I came up with this easy way to remember the five basic issues we are dealing with in neopolitics: [C]onstitution, [I]nfrastructures, [G]raft, [A]mbience and [R]endition.

    The US is under legislative siege from the UK, hence the issues surrounding breech of the constitution and Bill of Rights. Successive administrations have been circumventing these for the past 50 years with little or no reaction from the public.

    US political infrastructure has been hijacked by neopolitics, a single party parliamentary entity masked republican and democrat but what actual mission is repatriation via legislative sedition. Domestic and economic infrastructures are collapsing due to wildly variant behavior one administration to the next that presses grandiose schemes into the mainstream with little meaningful impact analysis. Again, there has been very little reaction in the public.

    Political graft issues on SSO pledging to a NSC agenda that is largely being controlled from the UK. People aren’t paying attention to who they are voting for, and when someone gets caught up in a corruption issue, folks are too forgiving and often times overlook these problems as a manifestation of a previous administration. In reality, graft is being promoted and sustained by grifter politicians whose primary motivation is resourcing their personal lives with little or no actual interest in the office they serve, and when they’re found out, people do nothing. The worst case scenario is the BDSM/pedophile culture that has come up in these circumstances, and their victims number in the hundreds of thousands over the past century. People are doing NOTHING to stop this.

    There is a prevailing mood of indifference and diffidence in the public where people believe their salvation will be government principled on the founder’s cornerstone legislation, and they think the Bill of Rights is some kind of automatic protection against tyranny. People are typically not motivated to understand these issues and as consequence are losing their rights.

    Reframe the forgoing discussion as shock and consider rendition as a separate issue and you get a picture of a budding culture in human sacrifice resourced on your ignorance. You’ll hopefully recall Obama’s S.1867.1023 and how this played opportunistic into the hands of the state department and DHS to resource ritual human sacrifice with products acquired in the US.

    People balk at this with absolutely no knowledge that over twenty thousand military personnel have been disappeared to date, their lives neatly tucked away into an ideological lifestyle what numbers used to describe this blissful station are also occult programmed into a corporate computer as a disposable community.

    We are dealing with some pretty horrific circumstances, and yet people seem oblivious to this one moment to the next shuttling about in their little Twilight Zone eating, reproducing and partying themselves into oblivion, hence the fall of man is his own disregard for ordinary care in a world that’s been marketed to mollify your sensibilities, and IT’S WORKING!

    Stupid Americans stand off in some densely populated metropolis and smell the cigar smoke but have no idea that it’s manufactured from their remains.

    • Kate8

      coastx – I’ve been speaking of these things for quite some time now, only to be branded a “conspiracy theorist” or just plain nuts. Yes, our people are being sacrificed by the millions, especially our children and youth. People disappear without a trace, and no one ever suspects the government. Not even the families of victims.

      And pedophelia is the favorite passtime of the elite. This is what happens to millions of kids, most never heard from again.

      And the rest, too…. But people don’t want to hear it or believe it. It’s just to horrible, so they turn their heads and close their ears. Better to keep on believing in a lie than to face the truth.

      And that’s just the tip of the horrendous, monstrous iceberg. It get’s much worse. But no one wants to know. So we just keep allowing our kids to disappear…

      And now military men, patriots, are the targets. Well, have been for a long time, but now they are really a threat. Militia has been painted as gun-crazed rednecks looking for a fight, when they are really good, decent, freedom-loving family men.

      We could go on and on…

      Now, it’s all starting to come out into the open. You can find articles about these things where they name names, give dates, places…. The more aware people become, the more we begin to face the truth of what’s been going on, the sooner we can clean things up.

      • coastx

        You’re awake. More are starting to wake up. We’re in trouble. We’re occupied by the NSC, which people are going going to have to be educated what this is.

        It’s a corporatist scheme with a four point agenda for repatriation. Cartalucci is calling for a boycott of corporations, which I suggested this months ago. Got to say better late than never.

        http://www.prisonplanet.com/break-the-back-of-corporate-intellectual-domination.html

        BRICON is a start up if people can get motivated to focus entirely on the constitution and Bill of Rights. It’s an opportunity for a militia, but it is NOT ARMED. It’s strictly educational, which is a function of a well regulated militia. It needs four other components to loft as a state resource, and eventually it’ll need recognition from a political cohort to Stand Ground.

        The point is to identify the constants of constitutionally empowered liberty and freedom that articulate with the Bill of Rights and make it possible for people to fairly rapidly align right and in a state of readiness for call to duty by established state leadership, an example of which would be Joe Arpaio.

        This is not an extremest organization. It falls strictly within the definition of “well regulated” which means highly structured and staffed with knowledgeable and skilled persons. I think people are ready for this.

        This will leave behind trolls, provocateurs and BBQ radicals. This is strictly 2nd Amendment engagement with an educational resource that is tempered with lots of restraint on the use of firearms for the simple reason that without state sponsorship lofting guns would be illegal anyway. We’re unarmed and will stay that way until this gets properly vetted by a cohort of attorneys.

        This is for real, and truth be told, not many people are interested. They want entertainment. I don’t know what to say. Diaper change, maybe?

    • http://none Charlie

      coastx,,, don’t forget ,,,
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38 is salvation …

  • WillMay

    I think I’ve figured out the way to do it; Move overseas as an American and make and run a small business in the Third World.

    1) Overseas, you get way off the FBI/DHS radar. They really would have to work at it to f#ck with you.

    2) Regulations are much simpler: for instance to start a non-bank lender in SouthEast Asia is about three pages of regulation.

    3) The local gendarmes treat you with civility, as opposed to Continental USA, and you would have to do something really notorious to have them veer from that treatment.

    So, I think it is a good idea to have left, to wait out the US collapse for a generation, and maybe then go back.

    ~ Will

    • Dave67

      I hear Somalia is beautiful this time of year for your fellow ararchists.

      • MNIce

        Somalia is in Africa, not Southeast Asia.

        But Americans who are willing to work hard and adapt to conditions, respect the people who are already there, and bring along enough money can fit in almost anywhere.

      • Dave67

        Where did I say Somalia is in SE Asia?

      • DaveH
      • Gordon

        Well Duh Dave67, please allow me to attempt to make you comprehend…….. your responding to comments about SE Asia and saying Somolia…..which is in Africa….. maybe that makes sense to you, but to the rest of us….. duh..

    • Dave67

      Gordon,

      I was responding the the post’s overall point…

      “Move overseas as an American and make and run a small business in the Third World.”

      Duh…

      There are only four other countries with a better business environment than this country.

      And if you believe the conservative hacks at the heritage foundation.

      http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

      Look who is ahead of us as far as “free” goes.

      You have Hong Kong, Singapore, New Zealand, Switzerland… All incredibly expensive.

      Then you have countries like Canada with their socialized medicene.

      This thread shows we have the most cry-babies… We are free today to do 99% of the crap we did in 1980. Give the conservative propaganda a rest and lets work together to make a better country.

  • http://www.poorgrandchildren.com poorgrandchildren.com

    Where do your children go to school? Unless you have the time to homeschool or the money for a private school, they go to the government school mandated by the government. Not exactly the freedom vouchers would allow.

  • Framingham47

    “When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny..”
    At this time his[Raub's] Facebook page is still up. Read it for yourself, and judge for yourself,

    https://www.facebook.com/brandon.raub?sk=wall

    I ,because of the 1st Amendment,will defend Raub’s RIGHT to say anything.In my opinion his biggest crime was thinking that he was safe and secure on Facebook.

  • John OConnor

    What people don’t seem to understand is that it makes no difference who is elected. The freedom sucking laws are made by bureaucrats. Persons that don’t get elected. True they are partially guided by the electorate but the laws that the lawless create never go away.This country will not get better until this bloodsucking type of oligarchy is stopped.

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    • coastx

      That was clever. Someone out there is awake after all! ^5!

  • SSMcDonald

    One minor correction. Government schools, not public schools is better terminology.

  • Victor Gary

    We must elect only “moral and religious people” to office. Until we do, tyranny will prosper.

    SORRY BOB, THAT WON’T WORK EITHER!!

    Jesus in John 6:15 flatly refused political office. Jesus followers (TRUE Christians) are to be no part of this world as Jesus was (John 17:14-16)

    A God-fearing person recognizes that our Creator is the rightful ruler of all the universe and in his due time he will replace all earthly governments with his righteous Kingdom. As Jesus said: (Matthew 6:33), “Keep on, then, seeking first the kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.”

    DON’T YOU THINK OUR CREATOR IS POWERFUL ENOUGH TO FIX MAN’S PROBLEMS?

    HE will do it for those who show publicly now where they stand on the universal issue of sovereignty!

    • coastx

      @A&W There never was a Jesus. This entity is a solar myth deity created by the council of Nicaea/Vatican what modern version of this is Bilderberg. Start your re-education here: Religion Comes From Ancient Astrology and Sun Worship 1 of 3. For clarification, God is ANYTHING in reality, which means even truth doesn’t muster the call to God conscience. Hold a handful of dirt aloft and blow on it. That one puff of breath is all of life in this world in 4 billions years, including mankind. Notice it disappears shortly. WE DON’T HAVE TIME TO BE IN LOVE WITH A FANTASY. KNOW YOUR CONSTITUTION. ASSERT THE BILL OF RIGHTS. STAND YOUR GROUND

      • Gordon

        If you believe that there is no God or god, pray this prayer just for fun….

        Unless you fear what might happen.

        “Almighty God, if you exist, and if you are Christians claim you to be, prove it to me in a way that I can comprehend and understand without doubt.”

        • coastx

          I said there was no Jesus, grifter. Reread the post.

      • Kate8

        coastx – How do you really know there was no one born with the name Yeshua ben Joseph? There are traditions who speak of him, who are of descended of Jewish followers of the day…

        There is no question that the Papacy hijacked the wholly Jewish movement and merged it with paganism, creating the religion known as Christianity which is prevalent today. Indeed, ‘Jesus’ represents the solar deity. The entire teaching of modern day Christianity is metaphorical for astrological and astronomical bodies and events. I believe that the Roman Papacy was the early movement toward world government…

        However, it is entirely possible that such a man did exist, and that his teachings have been misrepresented to the masses because they were teachings of empowerment. When you study the deeper meanings of teachings attributed to him, there is great truth there… truths which have been forbidden by those who wish for us not to know… truths taught by ancients over the Ages… We are kept imprisoned and enslaved through OUR MINDS. Our power lies not in our minds, but in our spirits, which we access through the heart. He tried to tell us that the “Kingdom is Within”, meaning that we access the Divine Consciousness through our HEARTS, where the Christ Consciousness arises.

        Universal Power can be used for good or for evil. Yeshua taught how to use this power for the uplifting and freeing of mankind. This is the power of LOVE/LIFE.

        Those who use this power for evil do not want good people to be of equal force. They wish to maintain the advantage, so they keep us afraid, believing that such powers are only of darkness… It’s time we catch on to this… Darkness cannot exist when the Light shines. I think it’s time that we realize the power of the Light and Love to dispel all that is evil, and that we possess this power within ourselves as God’s children.

        Remember, good/evil are but opposite polarities of the same force. It exists only within the illusion of duality.

        There is only One. Not two, but ONE.

        • coastx

          I really am not able to respond to your pathology. You believe in a fantasy, which in my field makes you delusional AND paranoid. I’ll give you the links again. This is about as clear an explanation as you are going to get at this time. Do spend some time with these. Open your mind just a little. If it doesn’t work for then okay. Try to shove your Bible/Jesus rhetoric in my face and I will embarrass you regardless of your technology. I was the guy that routed Campus Crusaders from our University back in the day. Think.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD9f0XU_S78
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frwlyx2u8JE
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmEThdQpAJA

      • Kate8

        coastx – My, my. A bit hostile, aren’t we? I was hardly shoving anything in your face.

        Call me names if you want. I’m aware of the stuff that proclaims there never was a ‘Jesus’. All I was doing was offering another possible scenario.

        Someone taught the way of Love, our oneness with the universe and how to live in hamony with it. These teachings are profound and enlightening. If you choose to reject it all, that is your choice. Those who have never experienced the Living Light can’t understand what it is, and that’s fine. I would say to you, likewise, don’t try to shove your cynical contempt for all things holy in my face.

        We cannot know the whole truth because we weren’t there. We rely on the interpretations, and even fabrications, of others when it comes to history. People take a lot of creative license. Learn to think for yourself. All that really matters is what we experience within ourselves. When we experience the truth, it is a knowing that none can take from us.

        Your contempt for those who don’t see things as you do is palpable. Kindness is never in vain.

      • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

        Sure love reading your posts, Kate8.

        So very accurate concerning the power that we can tap into if we free our souls to do so. Love of God and projection of that into the world as we move through our lives will do a great deal in fixing this worlds problems.

        The Oligarchy is deliberately stunting our ability to do so as a race. I think it’s time to deal with them and free ourselves of their fear enduced directive and become what we were always meant to be. Free & Independant.

        God Bless.

        • coastx

          God= reality. We tap into this every time we acknowledge life’s a blessing and not a slave. Conversely, denial of reality and acknowledgement of a lie as truth is satanic. Looking for God outside ourselves is satanic. Believing scripted literature was written by God is satanic. God’s literature is life itself, and were we to read this instead we’d be much further along in our domestic culture.

      • Kate8

        Thank you, Brother Patriot, and likewise.

        When we access the Spirit Within we become open to all possibilities, because we recognize the illusion of reality as maleable.

        Only those who are yet insecure in who they are demand others agree with them. When we realize this, their attacks are seen for what they are, and we can let them pass by without flinching. How many times have we learned something new and thought we had the whole truth. It’s the process of Life, of seeking ones Self, and the fact that we are in pursuit of Truth is a good thing, as long as we keep moving toward the Light.

      • http://none Charlie

        coastx,,, don’t forget ,,,
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      • http://naver samurai

        Coastx says there was no Jesus? There is no God? Typical atheist/progressive drivile. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

        P.S. Here is something from Abraham Lincoln. Notice how many times he invokes the name of the Lord.

        http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=284

  • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

    Wow, Bob.

    Over the years your blunt truth has gotten…well…more blunt. You simply are telling us the truth of what History has recorded. There are alot of people it seems who don’t want to hear these truths or acknowledge that they are real. However, when you put them all together and analyze them…the pattern becomes very apparent.

    Your Oligarchy word strikes the nail on the head. What we have is a small group of people who all believe in the same Agenda. Only looking at the equation through this filter allows for it all to add up & make sense as we realize that through the years They have placed their “tools” into positions of power throughout society. As They near their goals we can see Them getting bolder and making bigger steps as the years pass. I’m firmly of the mind that our society as we know it is about to change drastically here within the next 6 months.

    It already has as your article here points out. Your sited points are glaring truths.

    People. Watch 9/11: loose change, Zeitgiest (all of them though #3 I’m not in full swing with but good information is there), In plane site. Read a few books like “Brotherhood of Darkness” by Dr. Stanley Montieth. Learn the truth that George Washington did not chop down a cherry tree and that he indeed was known to lie (ask the man who was sent away to meet another who never showed up…just so Washington could “dance” with the mans wife at a Ball), that Christopher Columbus wasn’t the first to America & may have even came over with some form of a map (Kensington Runestone – Scott Wolter) and that Columbus was a monster who was sent back to England in chains due to the atrocities that he committed upon his subjects while appointed governor.

    You have been lied to by the public (un)education system all your life. Is the Federal Reserve…federal? No…it’s not. It’s the strongest form of control that THEY have on us…as he who controls the money supply controls everything. Money truely is the root of all evil. Learn the term “star families” and then follow Them down through the years and see what They have been up to.

    America free? Hardly. Excellent article Bob…to bad so many still can’t see through the illusion that has been painted for them by Them. They probably will continue to disbelieve right up to the point that they are being loaded onto the trains that will carry them to the FEMA camp & furnaces.

    God Bless your work, Bob and thank you for the voice & service to “We the People”.

  • Thinking About

    Wow, did not realize all these problems have started since 2009, sounds like they have been around for some number of years according to the history books. Always blaming someone else, looks this is the current situation, blame Obama, he caused all the problems and by the way, this was in the plan long ago and a child arrived in the world in 1961 which had puppet strings attached. It probably was planned his parents and grandparents was also a part of the conspiracy. geesh

    • Karolyn

      I read this as a general indictment of current conditions.

      • Thinking About

        Not really, just pointing out the same has been happening in my lifetime and the constant conspiracy is mostly a mind thing. Do I think anyone person has the ability to change things, no I don’t hink so. Since Obama has only been president for almost 4 years now all the blame can not be laid at his feet no more than the presidents in the past and I also include the present Congress which has been so useless.

    • Buster the Anatolian

      Thinking About why don’t you live up to your name and DO some thinking. Mr Livingston never said this started after 2009 and if fact he mentioned a number of things that happened before 2009. As I read it he is saying these events have become more frequent and agressive since 2009.

      • Sammi

        “But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here.” 2 Timothy 3:1

    • Liberty Lover

      Obama is “merely” the apotheosis of “progressive” destruction of our freedoms.

  • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

    Unfortunately, I have to pretty much agree on this. Reagan once commented on the possibility that we might one day say “I remember what it was like to be free.” Well, the time has come. “When I was a lad” we had much more freedom than now. It’s really sad to see—and we still call ourselves “the land of the free.” Sad. Sad. Sad.

    • coastx

      No! Learn the constitution. Assert the Bill of Rights. STAND YOUR GROUND. That’s all that needs to be said. Copy and share. NOW!

      • http://none Charlie

        coastx,,, don’t forget to ,,,
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        • coastx

          Charlie, the Bible is a fraud. I’m sorry. It’s a fraud. God is reality. You can say you love God and the Bible, but this creates an agitated state of mind and locks you into a schizoid stupor. It’s the ultimate double bind of self. you end up chasing your tail. It’s embarrassing to watch. I’m sorry, but you are chasing your tail here.

  • drbillh

    Bob:

    I agree with your concerns and examples on the limits being placed on liberty today. These actions are real and threatening.

    But, I can’t agree with you that they are new or that they were absent at the time of the Founding Fathers. Our history is replete with example after example of government-based limits on liberty from before the Revolution through our nation’s early history that resemble the examples you cite. We had the Alien and Sedition Acts and Shay’s Rebellion to name just two incidents. At the founding we sanctioned slavery and limited voting right to people with property. Women had limited contract rights and no voting rights. A free black man could be kidnapped and taken into slavery in the South with limited or no recourse.

    In addition, property rights have always been at risk. The government-sanctioned the removal of people from their lands, whether it be Indians or even white people who had land where the railroad wanted to go.

    Even religion has always been at risk. Certain Christian-based religions, such as the Catholic Church or the Mormon religion, faced active repression and opposition such that the Catholic faith on John Kennedy was used as a reason to oppose his candidacy for President.

    In the past people had a greater ability to move to escape limits placed in one area. However, their movement often put them into conflict with people already living in that area. The people moving out turned to the government to help them assert, reinforce, and protect their claim on the lands against those who were there before them. Today the ability to move away is much reduced and the electronic reach of spying into our lives is much broader and easier, making the risks to liberty all the greater.

    I bring these past examples up because the belief that there was a golden age of liberty is a threat to achieving liberty. The fight for liberty is an ever constant battle and one that those left out of liberty in the past want to be included in its future. This fight requires supporting the right of people to believe in and speak about freely even if those ideas and believes are counter to one’s own beliefs. This fight also requires understanding that people often have it in their interest to suppress someone else’s liberty for their own gain.

    Finally, the comments to your essay suggest to me that many of your readers do not hold to the view of liberty you proclaim in this piece. There is certainly an anti-Muslim thread running through the comments which is against any call for true liberty. As a Christian myself, whose late wife was a minister, I must say that decry these calls for banning the practice of Islam or any other non-Christian religion.

    • Thinking About

      Good points, liberties have been squashed from the beginning.

    • DaveH

      It is true that Liberty has been under attack even after the Founding of our country. But as early as 1900, Government only consumed 3% of our GDP. Now they consumer over 40% of our GDP — 13 times more Government, 13 times less Freedom.

  • Charles

    “[The Constitution] puts restraints on the government to prevent it from trying to take them away. Most Americans have forgotten — or ignored — that.” No, they simply haven’t been taught that by the liberal so-called education system. When I was in school, in the ’50s and ’60s, we had to study the Constitution, and pass tests, three times: in eight grade, in twelfth grade, and in college. That is no longer a requirement.

  • Mary

    As usual Bob, you are so far out with your triads. There have always been government restrictions on almost everything from the beginning of the first settlers in America and certainly taxes on everything. Don’t you remember the Boston Tea Party, all about tax, and how people lost their land in the south after the civil war because they were unable to pay the yearly (local government) taxes that also had been inflated to make it impossible to pay. You know, when the Carpetbaggers took over. ( tea bagger types) Those were lands they had settled and owned for many years. Yep, those were the good old days. Religion has always had strict moral codes they expected their members to follow thus limiting their personal freedoms. Now Repubs are trying to restrict women from basic reproductive freedoms. So much for the small goverment BS they preach. “God gave men freedom.” Really? Do you remember “do not eat of the fruit of that tree” in the garden of Eden? Restrictions there too Bod. As far as school dress codes, we have always had those too. When I was a kid, girls could not wear jeans/ slacks to school or, short skirts, tank tops or sandals. Christian logos should not have a preference on tee shirts, unless you are willing to have Muslim, or other religions displayed also. I imagine Muslims would feel just as outraged if they were told they could not display their faith so therefore the rules say none should be. The laws at state level, especially those controlled by Repubs, are the ones where we have more restrictions which have limited our freedoms. So if you are trying to blame all that on the Dems or President Obama, your arguement just won’t fly. If not for the federal government, corporate greed and blatant discrimination would take over. If not for regulations on industry, we would not have clean air and water. If not for the fed. gov. aid to the poor, we would have disease and hunger in proportions we have never seen. Corporate greed has caused loss of jobs by outsourcing and bad business practices as was seen by the financial institutions. The federal government cannot create jobs if it is reduced by size or budget constraints. It is up to private industry to create most of the jobs anyway. The Repubs are not pushing that agenda. You may not like your tax dollars going to entitlement programs and I may not like mine going to fund stupid unjustified wars, big oil subsidies, foreign aid, and pork projects for individual states. We all have preferences and since we are a Democracy and believe others also get a choice, we put up with the things we do not want because others do want them and we know it is not all about the individual (me).

    • Mary

      Bob, to address your gun issue and the FBI incident, we can all thank President Bush for the Patriot Act after 911, which limited our freedom of speech. If Obama followed Bush’s tactics, many of the right wingers would be in jail as they have said some very threatening things about him. Christians owning guns are no more investigated than any other groups, unless they are threatening to overthrow the government. I do not need to remind you, we Democrats also own guns and do not wish to give them up, even though many will agree certain weapons should be harder to obtain.

      • Buster the Anatolian

        “…we can all thank President Bush for the Patriot Act after 911,…”

        While the un-patriot act originaly passed under and was signed by Bush if I remember correctly it was written by a democrat. It also took the approval of BOTH parties to pass it. You can also blame your hero obama for the un-patriot acts continuation. He had TOTAL control of congress for two years and could have easily gotten the un-patriot act modified or repealed and he did neither. In fact he saw to the continuation and expansion of those portions that had to be renewed periodicaly. He has also signed NDAA into law.

      • CZ52

        “…even though many will agree certain weapons should be harder to obtain.”

        What weapons would that be Mary?

      • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

        Gun laws can de measured on the level of morality the people are expressing. People sharing liberty, the gift of God, don’t need gun laws. They can own anything. On the other hand, immoral people will require gun laws, along with a immoral government. There’s a catch 22 there. The people and government are experiencing it but nobodies doing anything about it. They both have to clean up their act. That’s the only solution. The first sign of illegitimacy in government is the people’s fear of the government and the governments fear of the people. I don’t know about you but I’m afraid.

    • http://personalliberty Blondee

      Obviously, you’ve had your daily dose of Huff-Po today. Sad…

    • DaveH

      Mary says — “Religion has always had strict moral codes they expected their members to follow thus limiting their personal freedoms”.
      That’s a non-sequitur, Mary, as there is no Force involved. You can always leave a religion.

    • DaveH

      Mary says — “Now Repubs are trying to restrict women from basic reproductive freedoms”.
      What are you talking about, Mary? Could you be more specific?

      • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

        Dave H They’re Republicrats. They think as one and their goals are the same. Sure they bicker on ways they want to get to their goal but it is the same. What I can’t understand is why the American people turn to the same people that have caused this mess for a solution. Ths country was founded by Republicrats.

      • DaveH

        I was referring to — “restrict women from basic reproductive freedoms”.
        What reproductive Freedoms?

    • DaveH

      Mary says — “Christian logos should not have a preference on tee shirts, unless you are willing to have Muslim, or other religions displayed also”.
      Another non-sequitur. Who said only Muslims’ logos should not be displayed?

      • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

        America was created as a Christian home, like mine. Others are welcome to visit, even live here, but they are not free to change the theme of America anymore than they are free to change the theme of my home. Our Christian values is the foundation of our home along with our Constitution and other founding documents. John Adams said: ” This Constitution is for the governance of a religious and moral people. It is UNFIT for the goverance of any other. We’re certainly proving that aren’t we.

      • DaveH

        “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”.
        1st Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.

        • coastx

          Good example of know your constitution. Stand your ground.

    • DaveH

      Mary says — “The laws at state level, especially those controlled by Repubs, are the ones where we have more restrictions which have limited our freedoms. So if you are trying to blame all that on the Dems or President Obama, your arguement just won’t fly”.
      Where did Bob say anything about Republicans or Democrats, Mary?

    • Liberty Lover

      Thank you Mary, for an uninformed and unenlightened but yet hilarious indictment of Bob’s “triad.”

    • DaveH

      Mary says — “If not for the federal government, corporate greed and blatant discrimination would take over”.
      Poor Mary. Your education has obviously been very limited. In fact, Government promotes Corporate Greed by its Crony Capitalists with regulations, quotas, tariffs, price controls, and other methods used to protect its Cronies at the expense of their competitors, the taxpayers, and the consumers. If you truly want an end (as much as that is possible) to “corporate greed”, then you will advocate Free Markets where the Consumers are Kings, rather than the Crony Politicians.
      And Government promotes discrimination by passing special protections for certain classes of people which understandably builds resentment among the excluded classes of people. They do that because their main goal is to buy votes so they can keep their positions of Power and Prestige. They could care less about the trouble that causes.

    • DaveH

      Mary says — “If not for regulations on industry, we would not have clean air and water”.
      Actually, Mary, the countries with the dirtiest environments are the poor countries. So how do you think that impoverishing our country with Big Government is the solution?
      Also, Mary, don’t confuse regulations with laws. With Laws, only those who break the law are prosecuted, as it should be. With regulations both good and bad industries are saddled with the same hoops to jump through, therefore resulting in moral hazard, that is, those who aren’t polluting must suffer with those who are, so where is the incentive for them to behave? And the Government, being what it is, inevitably favors the Crony Capitalists with their regulations at the expense of their competitors.

      • Gordon

        DaveH: When some regulatory agency comes in and closes your business, strips your inventory, and demands that you pay a large monetary fine to their government agency……. if that is a regulation and not a law…… how do they get away with it. Do you suppose you should spend $millions you don’t have to fight them?

      • DaveH

        I have no idea what you’re talking about, Gordon. Did you see something in my comment that made you think I favor regulations? And I was talking about specific laws like should be passed by Congress, as opposed to vague powers given to regulatory agencies to harass companies which have done nothing wrong (paperwork hurdles, etc.).

    • DaveH

      Mary says — “If not for the fed. gov. aid to the poor, we would have disease and hunger in proportions we have never seen”.
      Poppycock, Mary. In fact the Federal Government takes money from the producers resulting in fewer jobs which results in more needy people. If Government butted out of the economy, there would be many fewer needy people, and plenty of money in private charities to help those who were truly misfortunate. If Government butted out, only those who refused to work would go hungry.

      • Gordon

        Maybe, but the last 10 yrs it has been pretty difficult trying to pick up and move to another city when you get laid off every few months. There are a lot of people who actually desire to work and cannot find anything even close to reasonable pay. Sure you might get a part-time job for $8 which cannot pay for your existence, but then the other prospective employers refuse to look at you because you ARE working somewhere, and they don’t get government perks for hiring YOU. Unless and until free enterprise comes back to the USA, things will get worse.

        • coastx

          @gordon Their are four protocols of occult government: 1) occult rendition, 2) circumvention of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, 3) collapse of domestic and economic infrastructures, and 4) institutional graft via debauchery pledging. The first of these is the prime directive and the reason for everything else they do. 2- 4 are shock and awe.

          Regardless of what you already know about these circumstances, these ARE the constants. #1 is their BDSM/paedophilia feeding mechanism. They keep you busy with everything else so you’re too preoccupied fighting them to uneven perceive they’re involved in the macabre practice of ritual human sacrifice, which is largely a manifestation of Druid mysticism.

          Become familiar with the constitution. Know and assert the bill of Rights. STAND YOUR GROUND against legislative sedition and tyranny.

    • DaveH

      Mary says — “Corporate greed has caused loss of jobs by outsourcing and bad business practices as was seen by the financial institutions. The federal government cannot create jobs if it is reduced by size or budget constraints”.
      The Federal Government must take money from the private sector to “create jobs”, thus depriving the Private Sector from money that would have been much more productively employed. When Government “creates jobs”, it is almost always to buy votes from ignorant voters who have no clue about the benefits of Free Markets.
      Here’s your chance to remove yourself from that group, Mary:
      http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

      • Gordon

        DaveH, our problem is getting people to comprehend that when government (at almost any level) handles money, about 1/2 of it gets spent on worthless programs and needless infrastructure.

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    “Bob Livingston,”

    THIS ARTICLE IS SO “OVER-THE-TOP” IT IS A “PARANOIDIC RANT.”

    • http://personalliberty Blondee

      “Paranoidic?” Obviously a product of the public indoctrination centers… Know what spell check is??

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Blondee,” I PUT WORDS IN QUOTATIONS BASED ON VERNACULAR SPEECH.

      • cawmun cents

        GRAMMAR NAZI ALERT!
        Cheers!
        -CC.

    • http://none Charlie

      Horton,,,honk on ,ha ha ha , most anything is over your top…

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON,

      You write: “THIS ARTICLE IS SO “OVER-THE-TOP” IT IS A “PARANOIDIC (sic) RANT.” Thanks for cogently rebutting my premise. You are the new team debate champion.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

  • http://personalliberty Blondee

    First of all, I’d like to sincerely thank each and all who volunteered in the Armed Forces for their service to our Country. And then, I’d like to scream about the Executive Order of 3/16/12! We, the people of The United States are no longer free, but rather useful tools of government, at the government’s discretion, which by all accounts has overstepped its bounds. We are living in the world the Founding Fathers of this great Nation painstakingly and accurately covered in the Constitution and Bill of Rights to protect the citizens against! I am sickened by the loss of far too many lives fighting for something that is no longer, at least at this point in time. The American public absolutely must stand up and be heard and stop pandering to special interests gone wild to the point of madness. I remember when this was a free Country built upon Capitalism, where one could prosper with their own ideas, long hours and hard work to make it happen, along with the pride of ownership and success shared by providing employment opportunities for many. There was no shame or ridicule but instead respect and gratitude, unless it was not deserved and that was handily taken care of by not doing business with the corrupt entity. These days, what I see as the most corrupt entity of all – is the US government. If you are among the few small businesses that have survived this all out government bureaucratic assault of red tape, taxation, often times double taxation, you’re well aware that we are nearing extinction. Our Country as we know it, and many of us recall so very well, is done. We must make our voices heard in November, and get this Nation back on its feet once again. It’s for the greater good of all. Vote with your mind, not your heart, and pray.

    • Gordon

      December 2012 is beginning of the end of life as we have known it. From here on out it is gonna be “tough sledding with no snow”.

      • coastx

        You’re a [expletive deleted] pessimist. AND your spot on! Why can’t people wake up!

        Become familiar with the constitution. Know and assert the Bill of Rights. STAND YOUR GROUND against legislative sedition and tyranny.

      • Karolyn

        “As ye think, so shall ye be.”

  • cawmun cents

    “And the fiddler plays on while Rome burns……”-CC.

    • http://personalliberty Blondee

      And, just exactly what instrument do you play?

      • cawmun cents

        guitar…..not that its any of your business.
        I am not very good at it…but I can tune it by ear.

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  • Aaron Wilkerson

    This is all exactly right. Those who do not recognize this are like the frog in the water in which the water is gradually heated so that he won,t recognize he is boiling to death. You must remember Ephesians 6:12. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. This is the grand plan of Satan the great liar and deceiver. Go ahead other posters and make fun of this but you will soon see. Jesus is the answer.

    • http://personalliberty Blondee

      So many blind sheep. I even saw a “Sandra Fluke” amongst the flock… You understand though, and that to me is very heartening.

    • http://none Charlie

      Aaron,,, don’t worry about being made fun of , King Jesus cannot be proven wrong…
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      • coastx

        Charlie, please… Don’t do that. It’s weird.

  • Liberty Lover

    Great article, Bob. Echoing Mike Huckabee, “If you didn’t build it, you don’t own it.” The Marxist-in Chief will do everything possible to erode your ownership if he gets a second term.

  • Jenasus

    The 11th anniversary of 9/11 is coming up.
    I would not be suprised if EMP’s knock out the electric grid in America and Obama declares Martial Law and sends evryone to FEMA Concentration Camps while the United Nations tries to disarm Americans.

    • coastx

      Won’t be in US. Tokyo Towers. 3K instant casualties, just like WTC.

    • Gordon

      Regardless of what COULD or MIGHT happen between now and the first of the year, two things WILL HAPPEN in the next 4 years. 1) The next president will appoint at least 1, maybe 5 Supreme Court Justices (liberals?), 2) jihad will come to USA homeland soil.

  • Your Globalist Friend

    You were born into bondage. Resistance is futile. Humanity is doomed.

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      God knew the before the worlds were created. Unlike anything else, he created humans with reason and the power to make choices. If didn’t give us the power to make choices, then He would of created us in a state of bondage which everybody hates. If we’re doomed, it will be our choice, not God’s. To free us from that bondage he created a scapegoat in His own Son, Jesus Christ. It can be found in John 3:16

      • coastx
      • Sammi

        Genesis tells us that God gave Adam and Eve a choice. The choice was to accept his rulership and law or reject it, NOT to rule himself!

        Jeremiah 10:23 makes it clear that God never intended for man to rule himself independent of God: “Oh LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself; it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.”

        Jesus taught his disciples to pray: “Thy Kingdom come.”

        Yes, God has allowed man to develop all kinds of imperfect, corrupt governments and the record of their dismal failure to bring peace and security to mankind will go down in history for all time to come, proving our Creator is the rightful and only qualified one to govern!

      • Kate8

        coastx – Is YouTube your source for all truth?

        Ideas are… well, ideas. Belief is belief. Neither of those is Truth.

        All any of us have is perception. There is no one on the entire planet who sees clearly and interprets rightly. It’s impossible. It’s always subjective.

        • coastx

          Truth, was I talking about truth? Where have I promoted truth? I never do that. I do reality. Why does a couple of YT resources make this my only source material? Example? Or, are you feeling the moment with the double bind?

      • Kate8

        coastx – I don’t really want to spar with you. You have a sharp intellect, but intellect is unable to perceive beyond the illusion of physical “reality”.

        It is through the heart that we perceive the things that matter. Without Love, none of it matters.

      • http://none Charlie

        God = Giver of Directions ,,,Praise King Jesus ,,,He was Directed to do what He did, AND,
        obeyed …

    • http://none Charlie

      ha ha ha ha h aahan … says who???

  • chvietvet

    This article hits the nail on the head. Everyone in the United States is on the verge of experiencing a totalitarian country from the inside. I am a Vietnam War veteran, who has been engaged in a long series of appeals and litigation because the federal civil service has been discriminating against veterans in employment and encouraging its private contractors do the same. The benefits the veterans earned are being stolen by employees of the Department of Veterans’ Affairs through outright fraud. Janet Napolitano, the head of Homeland Security, released a training manual stating that all veterans are potential terrorists. Senator Patty Murray has rushed a bill through the Senate demanding that the Department of Veterans’ Affairs hire 1,900 non-veterans as shrinks to produce extensive files showing that veterans are too crazy to hold jobs. She wants to cover up the fact that veterans are deliberately being denied a chances to earn a living as civilians. Federal employment statistics demonstrate the extent of the discrimination, but the news media are not making these facts public. There is plenty of blame to go around for all of this, but most knowledgable people blame the large portion of our population nicknamed “the sheeple.” These are the people who think that the politicians of one of the major parties have the solution to our problems. In fact, they are all part of the problem. They are working for special interest groups led by some super-rich people who, like vampires, avoid the light of day. Their agenda is reminiscent of those of Hitler, Stalin, and the other 20th century dictators. They lead, and the sheeple follow, right over the cliff. Uniformed thugs make sure that nobody questions the orders. When I read the comments about this article, I see some of the more vicious and hateful of the beliefs that the sheeple hold. First, once we ban Islam from the country, the oligarchs can use the same tactics to ban Christianity, Judiasm, and every other kind of religion. They want to do that because they are atheists. All 20th century dictators were atheists because almost every religion bans crimes like theft and murder. The sheeple also believe that every employee of the United States government and the governments of the states is working for the benefit of the country, which shows that sheeple watch too much TV. In real life, many “public servants” are working for themselves to the detriment of the rest of us. They can do this because they are never prosecuted when then are caught committing crimes. Fast and Furious revealed that our drug enforcement officials are simply managing the smuggling gangs rather than trying to eliminate them. If they did away with drug smuggling, they would all be out of jobs. I also cannot understand why there is so much resentment against the poorest people in our society receiving a few dollars to stay alive, while there seems to be no resentment at all about civil servants and public officials stealing millions. When a veteran applies for a pension, he runs the risk of having his name erased from the application and the name of a non-veteran affiliated with employees of the Department of Veterans’ Affairs (DVA) being substituted. His checks are then sent to the false recipient every month, while the DVA claims his application is still being processed, for years and years and years. Eventually, the DVA alleges his application was lost. Secretary of the Interior Gale Norton gave away billions of dollars worth of oil shale on federal lands to a foreign company in exchange for a job for herself paying $1.3 million per year. In 2009, the Justice Department had enough evidence to send her to federal prison, but Attorney General Holder has still not permitted her prosecution. Why? Why do the sheeple complain about a single mother receiving a $300 check while disrarding the loss of several billion dollars in natural resources through the actions of one corrupt official. Sheeple also insist that “terrorists” be locked up forever, even if nobody has provided any evidence that the imprisoned people really are terrorists. They will continue to insist that people should be punished any time a person in authority says he did something wrong, regardless of whether or not there is any evidence of the alligation. They scream for other people’s blood until they themselves are carted off to spend a lifetime in prison for some crime they did not commit. In other words, it is a characteristic of sheeple that they approve of the shredding of our most precious freedoms, which are enshrined in the Bill of Rights and other parts of our Constitution. They just want to be left alone to eat their grass while the wolves are tearing their neighbor apart. When the wolves come for them, they wonder why nobody comes to help them.

    • coastx

      Become familiar with the constitution. Assert the Bill of Rights. STAND YOUR GROUND.

      Share this.

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      I hate to say this but you were engaged in an illegal, unconstitutional, war for offensive purposes. Because of that anything involving it legally falls in the same category. You were collateral used to perpetrate the imperial goals of the people in power, not to defend America. That’s what is happening today.

      • Gordon

        “All 20th century dictators were atheists because almost every religion bans crimes like theft and murder.”
        WRONG. Don’t romanticize this stuff.

        Dictators don’t become atheists so they can commit crimes.
        They commit crimes because that is who they are in their very being.
        period.

        • coastx

          Absolutely agree!

          Become familiar with the constitution. Know and assert the Bill of Rights. STAND YOUR GROUND against legislative sedition and tyranny.

  • mark

    Dear Bob,

    You write: “The recent shootings in Aurora, Colo., and Milwaukee were false flag operations designed to provide a launch pad for gun control discussions.” A pretty breathtaking claim supported by zero evidence. Baseless, paranoid assumptions like this are the reason why so many Americans can’t take Libertarians seriously.

    Sincerely, mark

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      Once, while attending an ATF Gun dealer conference, a speaker started to explain the UN’s role in gun legislation. When it came time for questions, I said this. “Thomas Jefferson said: If we will be subject to treaty law, then why did we bother writing the Constitution? Could you explain why we are even considering the UN’s role in America’s gun legislation?” It brought that part of the dialoque to a halt. The government perpetrated on the American people in DC is no longer governed by the law, constitution, that the people hold it to. It’s a loose cannon and we’re in front of it.

      • mark

        The UN Small Arms Treaty which the U.S. will never ratifiy, will never even present to the Senate for ratification (since it has zero chance of 2/3′s passage), concerns attempts to control the illegal, international trade in small arms, which is as deadly a problem as the illegal, international trade in drugs. The treaty is still in the talking phase and has not even been presented to the UN yet for a vote. In early discussions, it has nothing to do whatsover with nations’ domestic gun policies which vary hugely from country to country, as we all know, but rather to control the illegal trade in weapons mostly to narcotics and other criminal cartels but also to armed insurgent, rogue regimes, and terrorist groups.

        All the scare talk about this on right-wing sites has been vastly exaggerated (what a suprise!). But it has served one beneficial purpose for the NRA. The distortion of this treaty as an “Obama gun-grab” has resulted in a ginning up of the gun-owner base and vast increased donations to the NRA which is laughing all the way to the bank as the suckers keep mailing in the checks. So keep mailing them in boys. That organization needs your money alot more than you do. Another economic reason why this treaty has zero chance of U.S. passage is, as we all know, that the U.S. is the world’s leading Merchant of Death or arms salesman. While we always shout to the heavens our desire for world peace, we, in fact, help arm everyone around the world to the teeth for massive profit. Another of the joys of capitalism.

        For more on the complete nonsense of this scare’um n’ fleece’um scam, see:

        http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/untreaty.asp

        • coastx

          Another slick as a snake provocateur. Provocateurs try and throw up a wall between reality and the NSC. They’re grifters. Perverts. You get a first hand view of how they think up close without having to arm yourself against an intruder, because they cant penetrate your home from a computer keyboard. These individuals would be out raping children if they weren’t preoccupied with raping your message board. They’re eventually found out. For the time being, watch how this screw-ball convolutes reality. S/he’s showing you how neopolitics works. Check out this sociopath’s sincerity. GRIFTER. Con man. No morality. No ethics. No man! Become familiar with the constitution. Know and assert the Bill of rights. STAND YOUR GROUND!

      • DaveH

        mark says — “The UN Small Arms Treaty which the U.S. will never ratifiy, will never even present to the Senate for ratification (since it has zero chance of 2/3′s passage)”.
        Sure mark, that’s why they keep wasting their time trying — because they think it will never pass.
        The fact is that Leaders prefer an unarmed citizenry. It makes it much easier to subjugate them. Disarmament of the citizens is a common event around the world and throughout history. So spare us your nonsense, mark.

      • DaveH

        Should we believe mark, or the Gun Owners of America?
        http://gunowners.org/072912.htm

        No contest for me.

        • coastx

          Gun Owners of America is another lackey organization for the UK. If ANY gun advocacy group was principled on the constitution it would unify the 2ns Amendment making it a requirement that gun ownership accompany training and regular participation in a well militia. Period.

          Be familiar with the constitution. Know and assert the bill of Rights. STAND YOUR GROUND against legislative sedition and tyranny.

      • DaveH

        Apparently, coastx, you need to take your own advice.
        The 2nd Amendment says nothing about being required to take training or be part of a militia.
        “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed”.
        Nowhere does it state that being part of a militia is a necessary step to gun ownership. It merely suggests that a well regulated militia is necessary to protect freedoms. The key phrase is “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed”.
        “None but an armed nation can dispense with a standing army. To keep ours armed and disciplined is therefore at all times important.” –Thomas Jefferson, 1803

    • phideaux

      Mr Livingston has presented his evidence on multiple occasions in previous articles mark.

      • mark

        I see zero evidence on the two very recent cases that he cites. Zero.

      • phideaux

        Like I said mark the evidence was in the PREVIOUS articles not this one.

    • coastx

      Provocateurs try and throw up a wall between reality and the NSC. They’re grifters. Perverts. You get a first hand view of how they think up close without having to arm yourself against an intruder, because they cant penetrate your home from a computer keyboard. These individuals would be out raping children if they weren’t preoccupied with raping your message board. They’re eventually found out. For the time being, watch how this screw-ball convolutes reality. S/he’s showing you how neopolitics works.

    • DaveH

      How can we take you seriously, mark, when you can’t even state the truth? Bob has said on numerous occasions that he’s not a Libertarian. And I seem to recall correcting you on that before.

  • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

    First we must understand the difference between freedom and liberty. Freedom merely means status, like serfdom. Freedom has no moral status. Governments can be free to persecute people. But Liberty! That’s a gift from God, not people, to all people. People conducting themselves in a moral fashion are free to do what ever they want, as long as it’s moral. Moral is interpreted as God’s rules of action and interaction. Any God fearing person should know the difference. People can give it away by acting immorally. Today we concentrate on freedom wich opens the door for any actions. Perverts are free to do as they want. Governments are free to do whatever they can get away with. People are free to engage in unseemly conduct. The Supreme Court is free to interpret the Constitution as they see fit, not under the rules of liberty. If we speak the same language that they do, then we will be subject to their freedom’s being perpetrated on us. We WILL loose our God given Liberties.

  • Patrick Murphy

    I and a friend were out one night for dinner (all we had was two beers) on the way home i was stopped by a policeman. He said i was speeeding which i wan’t but you can’t prove that in court. No radar the judge said the officer knew how fast i was going just by looking at my car, This was in 25 mlle per hr zone he said i was going 40. I might not have been going 25 but i know i wasn’t going 40 due to a 90 degree turn in the road. After telling me to get out of the car he stuck his hand into my pocket without a by your leave. I had some nitroglycerin tablets in a vile.after seeing them he stopped the search ans said i was speeding. I guess he figured two guys in a car at 11 at night that we had drugs on us. After consulting a lawyer about the search i was told not to mention that in court. No justice in this world. I paid the fine and got points on my record. My car insurance went up. Have a nice day.

    • coastx

      Lots of folks aren’t educated on the difference between law enforcement and keeping the peace. They see a traffic stop as a peaceful event. It’s not. Also, you admitted to driving over the speed limit, so you experienced summary judgement. We don’t live in peaceful times any more. I got stopped for running a stop sign once back in ’85. Got pulled over, and the policeman asked why I ran the stop sign. I told him I knew over run it but wasn’t thinking, I was tired and just got off work, which was true. He told me to go home and get some rest. No ticket. Then there’s what happened to that nurse in LA three days ago. The “cops” that brutalized her were GRIFTERS. Learn what that word means. You can stand your ground against them if they are not following the law. They’ll execute you curbside with little or no accountability, because they are being told they are just doing their job. What they are doing is in fact following corporate policy which is circumventing the Bill of Rights and constitution, and many of them are unaware of this. They’re paid lackeys in the role of change agent for our repatriation, and were many of them to understand this they would not do this. Then again, they’re not educated to know this, either.

    • Karolyn

      My goodness! Where do you live? Without radar a cop can’t get you unless he is pacing you. You should have been able to get out of this. The problem is too many people don’t have the money to spend to fight, so nothing changes.

      • Gordon

        The attorney fight costs less than going to insurance hell.

    • Gordon

      I was faced with a similar in principle, but different situation, and I stood my ground in court against the advice of my high paid attorney. The Pros. Att. offered a reduced sentence and a $300 fine which I refused. My personal integrity to myself demands that I stand up for what is right no matter how the matter turns out…. OH, by the way, I won hands down in court, without my attorney saying a word, and the judge chewed the arresting officer’s behind pretty thoroughly, per se. I have also lost pretty high paying job for standing my ground, but at least I have my honor intact.

      • Gordon

        The greatest compliment I have ever received is when I overheard my son telling his friends that his Dad is a man of integrity.

      • coastx

        BRICON SYG CERTIFICATION: @gordon for exemplary commitment to character principled on our constitutional republic via willingness to assert the Bill of Rights and stand ground against legislative sedition and tyranny.

        Congratulations!

        Now go teach as many people as you can get to listen to you to become familiar with the constitution, know and assert the Bill of Rights and STAND GROUND against legislative sedition and tyranny.

  • DaveH

    Mary says — “Now Repubs are trying to restrict women from basic reproductive freedoms”.
    What are you talking about, Mary? Could you be more specific?

  • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.754 Benjamin Fox

    It’s sad but, this article is so true. When they come for your guns, Hitler will be in control, and his name is what? Barry, obama or what and where was this dictator born? This guy has followed everything Hitler did and his real father satan has been in control from the beginning, a homosexual idiot with nothing but his own wants as his goal.

  • Liberterian

    Freedom has become a definition defined by propoganda groups within the political hemisphere and the government. We have steadily been losing our freedoms gradually by the last numerous administrations and decades. Slowly but surely they are widdleing away at the constitution. We are no longer a democracy but a nation driven by a political machine (government) and the politicians we elect, that no longer do our bidding. When will we realize and wipe the wool from our eyes, and instead of being the sheeple become the Alpa Wolf that looks out for his family and himself and our nation. We are sovereign citizens, when are we going to act like them, and no longer play follow the leader for whichever bought and sold party we think we belong to or once did. Do we now look to Obama or the Mormon whose God talks to them from an unknown planet somewhere in the universe called Kolob.

  • billwalster

    For sure we are not free. However, the Religious Right will not make us so.

    See:

  • http://google lana ward

    It will get to the point that we the people are going to HAVE to make these communists dissapear , we will have no choice. Everybody GET A GUN

    • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.754 Benjamin Fox

      Your right Lana, I have made so many enemies that if someone comes through my door, they will meet allah face to face, and if they make it by that, I’ll send them to allah one bullet at a time, if our government comes, want to let them know, I know where I’m going and not worried, they may want to think about taking my guns. God Bless:

      • coastx

        Army of one. Master of none.

      • Gordon

        At least now they know where you live.

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  • DaveH

    Speaking of the lack of Freedom. Here is an article from yahoo business news courtesy of Reuters:
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/jackson-hole-growing-fear-feds-195013575.html
    Pure, unadulterated Propaganda. The Federal Reserve is the single largest enemy of our Freedom. With their paper money they have pillaged American savings for 100 years now. It’s time to end the Scam. It’s time to get back to Real Money (Gold, Silver) that can’t be used to steal wealth from the non-politically connected American citizens.

    • http://none Charlie

      DaveH,,,We agree ,but , just how are you going to fire the Fed , without the King of
      America leading the assault ?

  • http://PLD FRENCHIE

    We must elect only “moral and religious people” to office. Until we do, tyranny will prosper.

    ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, BOB. BUT,…WHAT WITH GOD BEING FORCIBLY REMOVED FROM JUST ABOUT EVERYWHERE & EVERYTHING, PUBLIC SCHOOLS “DUMBING DOWN” STUDENTS ON PURPOSE & CRACKING DOWN ON ALL THE WRONG “INFRACTIONS”, NOT HOLDING STUDENTS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS WHEN & WHERE IT COUNTS TO INSTILL ANY REAL SENSE OF “MORALITY” IN THEM, & BASICALLY TAKING AWAY THE RIGHTS OF PARENTS TO RAISE THEIR CHILDREN AS THEY SEE FIT & THEN BLAMING PARENTS FOR THEIR CHILDRENS’ PERCIEVED SHORTFALLS WHEN “CORRECTIVE ACTION” WOULD’VE BEEN DETERMINED TO BE ILLEGAL BY “THE POWERS THAT BE, WHAT REAL CHANCE DO WE HAVE IN THE FUTURE OF HAVING SUCH CANDIDATES TO VOTE FOR ANYWAY ? THIS IS THE VERY REAL QUESTION THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED HERE & IN PUBLIC FORUMS EVERYWHERE IF WE’RE TO HAVE ANY REAL CHANCE AT CHANGING THE SITUATION FOR THE BETTER. SO FEW IN POLITICS WILL TACKLE SUCH AN ISSUE FOR FEAR OF BEING BRANDED AN “EXTREMIST”, “RACIST”, OR WORSE. WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT IT ? WE COULD START BY GETTING THE LIBERALS & TEACHER’S UNIONS OUT OF THE PUBLIC EDUCATION BUSINESS IF YOU ASK ME, BUT THAT’S MERELY THE STARTING POINT – NOT A TOTAL SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM. BUT WHAT REALLY IS ? WHEN CONSIDERING WHAT THE TOTAL SOLUTION IS, GIVEN THE CURRENT SITUATION, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER IF WHETHER OR NOT THINGS HAVE DETERIORATED TO THE POINT THAT WE EVEN STAND A CHANCE OF REACHING THAT GOAL DUE TO LEGISLATION & REGULATIONS PASSED IN PREVIOUS YEARS DESIGNED TO KEEP US FROM BEING ABLE TO REVERSE THE PROCESS & GET IT STRAIGHTENED OUT AGAIN. ANY FOOL CAN POINT OUT WHAT’S WRONG. QUESTION IS, WHO HAS THE PLAN & THE BALLS TO IMPLEMENT IT TO CHANGE WHAT’S BROKEN IN THE SYSTEM ? THAT’S GOING TO BE WHERE THE SOLUTION LIES, I THINK…………………..

    • coastx

      What, neopoliticians aren’t moral and religious people? Another [expletive deleted] provocateur. Gauntlet.

      • Sammi

        Good point coastx. But definitely not true followers of Jesus Christ living by Bible standards. Yet those people exist, and like Jesus, are and will be no part of this corrupt wicked system of government operating under the authority of god Satan. (2 Corinthians 4:4)

      • http://none Charlie

        coastx,,,could it be you have been duped, deceived and deluded by the Satanic powers that be???

        • coastx

          Let’s test your hypothesis. Describe the powers that be in the same number of words you used to state your proposition. I’ll do the same.

    • Sammi

      For the past 6,000 years of history man has been allowed by God to experiment with rule independent of God. Why can’t people see the experiment has failed? Man was not created to rule independent of God. Our Creator is the rightful ruler, the only one with the power to fix the mess and resurrect the innocent and heal the suffering so that finally as Jesus said: “The meek will inherit the earth.”

    • Karolyn

      Religious does not mean moral and vice versa. People can be atheists and still be moral. Morality has nothing to do with religion, unless you consider the morality forced on people by religion with fears of hell.

      • coastx

        Religion enslaves people with the truth. God frees them with reality.

      • Karolyn

        The truth is found within. If more people knew the truth that resides within ech of us, the world would be paradise.

        • coastx

          Truth has to be tempered with constants either end of the spectrum, occult to the left, reality to the right. Mankind remains stalwart invested in the occult and is slowly making his way to truth, but we’re headed further right to reality, eventually. Reality is light. this is what we are striving for, but to get there we need to understand where we are at this time, be willing to let go of competition to make progress and collaborate our domestic projects so everyone can participate. That’s not to say rescue anyone, but it’s important to reach out people who are genuinely motivated to be here and support this enterprise. People are not yet ready to think about this. They are still in love with life, painful as it is, and until they can get past their narcissistic drag with this issue we’re just plain [expletive deleted] stuck in the swamp.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay
        • coastx

          BRICON SYG CERTIFICATION @Jay for exemplary commitment to character principled on our constitutional republic via willingness to assert the Bill of Rights and stand ground against legislative sedition and tyranny.

          Congratulations!

        • coastx

          @Jay Both of those are excellent. Thanks for the links!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        As well as this, coastx.

        New Religions, Science, and Secularization
        -by William Sims Bainbridge

        http://web.archive.org/web/20050305142010/http://mysite.verizon.net/william.bainbridge/dl/newrel.htm

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    With exceptions (slavery being the worst), during the first 150 years of America’s history, people were free to live their lives in any way they chose as long as their actions did not entail violence or fraud against others. Americans could engage in any economic enterprise without permission or regulation … accumulate unlimited amounts of wealth without political interference … do whatever they wanted with their money … and travel anywhere in the world without a passport or other evidence of governmental consent.

    This unique way of life was what distinguished the United States from all other nations in history. It was this way of life that became known as one of “free enterprise.”

    And our American ancestors believed that charity — the caring of human beings for each other — meant nothing unless it came from the willing hearts of individuals. And so our ancestors provided a way of life in which people could not be forced to help or serve others. The result was the most charitable nation in the history of man.

    In 1913, the abandonment began. For it was during that year that the 16th Amendment — the income tax — was enacted. Appealing to the sins of envy and covetousness, the American politicians and bureaucrats promised that the tax would be levied only on the rich and that it would never exceed a very minute percentage. Ignoring the warnings of their ancestors, the American people rendered unto Caesar the omnipotent power to control the fruits of their earnings.

    But that wasn’t all. Also in 1913, the American people permitted the passage of the Federal Reserve Act which created a central bank, enabling governmental officials to control the amount of credit and currency in the economy. It was an action which ultimately would match — if not exceed — the destructive power of the income tax.

    As documented so well by free-market economists Ludwig von Mises, Friedrich Hayek, and Murray Rothbard, during the 1920s, the Federal Reserve Board, exercising its power to expand the money supply, caused an inflationary binge — an action which created a false aura of prosperity. When the political authorities — faced with this inflationary threat and restrained by the gold standard — finally ceased the monetary expansion near the end of the decade, the inevitable economic hangover was reflected in the 1929 stock market crash and in generally depressed economic conditions. In other words, contrary to the indoctrination which the American people have received from their political authorities, the Great Depression was not the failure of America’s free-enterprise system — it was the failure of political manipulation of money and credit.

    Franklin D. Roosevelt was elected President in 1932. Faced with the Great Depression — a depression which had been caused by government itself — Roosevelt’s “solution” was to implement the socialist-fascist economic system under which Americans now suffer. Under the banner of “saving America’s free-enterprise system,” FDR was directly responsible for the abandonment of America’s 150-year history of free enterprise.

    Arguing that the American people could no longer be trusted to be charitable to others, FDR claimed that government — the organized means of coercion and compulsion — was needed to help those in need. And to effect this claim, he secured the passage of his New Deal for Americans. Roosevelt used the disastrous results of one governmental intervention — political manipulation of money — to justify another — the socialist ideal of using government to steal from those who have in order to give the loot to those who need.

    And what the American people had permitted to be done to them in 1913 came back to haunt them in a terribly disastrous way, for it was through the income tax and the power to expand money and credit that Roosevelt was able to accomplish effectively his political plundering and looting, not only from the rich but from everyone in all walks of life.

    But Roosevelt did more than just enshrine into the American political and economic system the ideas of Karl Marx and Joseph Stalin (the mass murderer FDR affectionately referred to as “Uncle Joe”). Greatly admiring Benito Mussolini’s fascist system in Italy, Roosevelt proceeded to implement the same type of economic system in the U.S. For example, his National Recovery Act gave him virtually unlimited dictatorial powers over American business and industry. And any American citizen who did not do his “patriotic” duty by supporting the NRA and its “Blue Eagle” soon found himself at the receiving end of FDR’s vengeance and retaliation.

    And it was during this period of time that such alien schemes as the Social Security Act, the FDIC, the Agricultural Adjustment Act, the Emergency Banking Relief Act the Tennessee Valley Authority, the Federal Securities Act, and the National Labor Relations Act came into existence — all with the aim of taking control of people’s lives as well as absolving them from responsibility for errors and foolhardiness by giving them the political loot that had been stolen from others.

    But all of this was not sufficient for FDR. He persuaded Congress to provide him a power which Stalin and Mussolini proudly possessed: the power to nationalize people’s gold. And his confiscation of gold was accompanied by one of the most shameful acts in American history: the repudiation of government debts payable in gold — the noteholders, most of whom were Americans who had in good faith trusted their government, were instead paid in devalued paper money.

    And what was the reaction of the American people to the evil, immoral, and tyrannical acts of FDR? Like people in other parts of the world who were suffering under dictatorial rule — Russians, Germans, and Italians — most of them reacted like sheep — meekly going along with their own slaughter and, in many instances, ardently supporting it. Having lost the sense of self-reliance which had characterized their ancestors — having lost their faith in freedom and themselves — having lost their faith in God Himself — the American people proceeded to relinquish to Caesar the power to direct their lives and plunder their fortunes, just as people throughout history had done.

    But there were great patriots who stood fast and fought hard against the evil and immoral machinations of FDR. Some were well-known — men like John T. Flynn, Albert J. Nock, Garet Garrett, and Hamilton Fish. Others were less well-known — and now long forgotten — but who were equally devoted to the principles of America’s Founding Fathers — men like Benjamin Wallace Douglass, a farmer from Brown County, Indiana; William S. Mudd, a newspaperman from Tuscaloosa, Alabama; and J. Edward Jones, an oil man from Kansas. Knowing that FDR was one of the most ruthless men who have ever held political office, these individuals nonetheless pledged their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor in the defense of what they knew to be right.

    For several years, the U.S. Supreme Court, led by four justices — Sutherland, Butter, Van Devanter, and McReynolds — declared FDR’s socialist and fascist New Deal policies in violation of the United States Constitution — in violation of every principle of individual liberty and limited government on which this nation was founded.

    But the end came in 1937. In what many judicial scholars say was a result of Roosevelt’s disgraceful and pathetic attempt to pack the court with some of his cronies, a fifth justice — Owen J. Roberts, whose vote had helped to invalidate much of the New Deal — shifted his vote in favor of Roosevelt’s policies. And with Roosevelt thereafter being able to replace dying and retiring justices with ones who would do his bidding, the era of American economic liberty came to a sad and tragic end.

    Is it possible to recapture the principles of freedom on which America was founded — to end the welfare-state, planned-economy way of life — to return to a true free-enterprise system — to regain the moral principles associated with individual liberty and limited government? You bet it is! But it will take a willingness to confront reality and to free our minds — and those of our children — from years of political indoctrination … a readiness to fight for what we know to be right and true … a faith in freedom and the caring nature of others … and a conviction that man, not government, should ultimately control his own destiny.

    http://www.fff.org/freedom/0891a.asp

    • Karolyn

      Our early history is so idealized. There may have been charity but 1800s there were also debtors’ prisons and extreme poverty, sewage in the streets, rampant child abuse, no roads to speak of, filth, the wealthy trampling on the rights of the poor (who essentially had none), slavery, rampant rape, prostitution of children lynchings, disease, etc. etc. Oh yeah, it was just wonderful!

      • coastx

        You and I have got to be related. Baldwin, or Cooper?

      • DaveH

        Karolyn,
        Do you have any references to back up anything you said?
        And how do you think giving a group of people the monopoly of Force, has done anything at all to relieve those inequities?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Karolyn, the article begins with; ” With exceptions (slavery being the worst)”. Did you miss that? But whatever the societal problems we faced prior to the disgusting creature we refer to as “FDR”, they cannot compare to the problems we face today as the result of FDR’s treasonous-policies. And pray-tell, how is the plight of the poor any better today? If anything, they are worse. Why? Because, robbing people through taxation to eradicate poverty, does not work. If anything, it removes incentive from the hard-working to produce, and removes any semblance of self-reliance on the part of the ones who choose not to work by the sweat of their brow, but are more than happy to live off the confiscated loot from the one’s who do! So your socialist-progressive messiah, FDR, was completely wrong, a utopian-lunatic in fact, not having the common-sense God gave to an animal!

      • Karolyn

        Oh, please, Dave. You know your history. It’s common knowledge and has been written about by numerous writers. Life in the cities was fraught with danger. Of course most of what I have read about was in the 1800s. i have read that there was less crime before the revolution because people were so afraid of the King’s punishment.

      • DaveH

        Oh please, Karolyn, do some reading to learn who your Big Government heroes were really.
        I promise, it won’t hurt:
        http://library.mises.org/books/John%20V%20Denson/A%20Century%20of%20War%20Lincoln,%20Wilson%20and%20Roosevelt.pdf

      • DaveH

        It’s comical how the Liberals get themselves all twisted up with their fabricated facts.
        Karolyn says — “sewage in the streets, rampant child abuse, no roads to speak of”.
        Sewage in the Streets, but No Roads to speak of?

        • Liberty Lover

          ROFLMLAO! (that’s a libertarian ass)

      • Karolyn

        Dave – You are actually denying that these conditions existed in this country in the 1800s? Yes, it was pretty nasty in the cities back then!

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Lol, DaveH! Sewage in the streets but no roads to speak of…too funny!

        • coastx

          @Jayjay Paedomorphs all have something in common. It’s private.

    • Liberty Lover

      Jay, this is the most outstanding post I have yet read on this blog. Thank you!!

    • http://none Charlie

      Jay,,, you didn’t tell ‘em that FDR was an Edomite and so was Uncle Joe and a lot of the Brits, the German people in general are from the lineage of Jacob Israel ,,,but,,,a wildcat
      German was trying to clean out the Edomites from Germany and England was next,,,so,,,Uncle Sam , being a cross breed Edomite jumped into WW2…
      Today ,USA still has a cross breed leader problem… So what’s a dummie to do? Try,,,
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing … Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      • coastx

        That’s salvation through sacrifice, or so they would like you to believe. People think that sounding like a Bible when they talk makes them holy. It’s makes them stupid.

    • http://gravatar.com/brotherpatriot BrotherPatriot

      Excellent…excellent post, Jay.

      Ty for your work, brother.

      God Bless.

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  • Gordon

    I wish people would stop that cut/paste 2,000 word essays and just give a excerpt and a link. Does anybody actually read all that posted drivel?

    • coastx

      Agree. You folks doing essays open a site at word press. That’s what a lot of us do. Do synopsis here (5 sentences-ish) so we can get on with the discussion. You can link us to the long version of your narratives.

      • Kate8

        x – You’ve got some pretty wordy posts of your own here. Practice what you preach.

        Just for the record, if you’re writing in a conversational manner, and your ideas are your own, then one can hardly post a link.

        Personally, I enjoy reading people’s ideas. I prefer it to a link to someone else’s thoughts, unless it’s appropriate for some reason.

        Many of us are here to share, not just to post links. But then, many of you consider links as proof of your assertions.

        • coastx

          THAT was a while ago, OMG! Let me see. This is either Kate8′s bridge across forever, or this individual is attempting to astroturf a cause to frame bridge the herd to a stampede, maybe? HUGE ego issues there, Kate8. Take a birth control and cool off. Blathering makes you seem dissatisfied with your love live. Let it go.

      • sam1966

        Ah yes, the personal attack. Classic 5th column strategy. What’s wrong coastx? Run out of intelligent things to say or is Kate 8 whipping your arse? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot. This leaves you out coastx.

        • coastx

          OMG! Biblical Sam swearing? Kate who?

      • Kate8

        samurai – LOL. Really got him twisting in the wind, don’t I?

        He’s about as amusing as a swarm of gnats.

        • coastx

          Hey, you’re back, AND padded up with SUPERS! ((hug))

      • Kate8

        x – If you’d take some of that energy you waste being crude, rude and immature, you might actually be of some use.

        No matter how smart you are, if you have no respect for others, you are still part of the problem. Intellect without heart lacks wisdom and understanding.

        It was way to easy to get you to expose yourself. Being crass and insulting only reflects badly on you…shows just what you are made of. As long as you choose to continue along that vein, I won’t dignify that kind of behavior with a response.

        • coastx

          Love, Peace and Harmony works for neopolitics. It DOES NOT work for a constitutional republic.

          Obama is actually a Nationalist Socialist Corporatist (NSC). They are holding this down, because soon as people figure out they are disposable products via the reconstruction amendments and the Fed there’ll be uncontrollable boycotts and rioting. This will end neopolitics in the US and loft militia.

          Neopolitics four point repatriation agenda: 1) occult rendition, 2) acculturation to change propaganda, 3) circumvention of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and 4) collapse of US domestic and economic infrastructures.

          Become familiar with the constitution, learn and assert the Bill of Rights and STAND YOUR GROUND against legislative sedition, tyranny and occult rendition.

  • http://danielbeltempo.com Dan

    I’m always reading about many persons saying they are Christians. However, scripture disqualifies them from that label. No one is a Christian by birth. I’d like you to understand that. What is written in the gospels is the word choice. It’s impossible to be a Christian by birth. Many families consider themselves to be Christian that are not in accordance with the gospels. The words Born Again make it very plain about Christian by birth.

    For those asking how one can be born again the answer is quite simple. Your mother gives you birth by water. However, Jesus give me birth through the spirit of God. One needs to confess sin and invite him into your very heart. The alignment makes perfect sense, doesn’t it? Of course you have to confess that you’re a sinner and need his forgiveness and want to be a part of him. I did this at the young age of 22 years old. I was a freshly minted civilian after three years of serving this country in the U.S. Army leaving as a Staff Sergeant. Once you are born again you are a Christan and not until then. Now I want to warn you, not following through on this gives you everlasting death. It’s the way God wants it. When you go to Jesus he know you love him. You then become one of his saints. You see, God makes his saints, not some religion. He is the only one that has the right to make saints. Saints are his people; plain and simple. Saints do not have to have done anything special. Their love for God gives them that status. Yes, there are millions of people walking this Earth today who are saints and no one knows about it.

    Hey, don’t take my word for it; check out the gospels. Saints and only saints are on their way to be with the Lord. That’s a warning sign for you. You know the alternative and there are really no words to describe it. The very worst part of it is that it is everlasting just like Heaven is. However, don’t take too long to make up your mind about it. Don’t make a gamble. Christ is not a religion. He is the living God and he is coming back. Just because He has been gone for over two thousand years does not mean his isn’t coming back. In fact, I the The Father is on the verge of telling him to pick up his saints. World events are the calling card. We may not have to be concerned about who takes this election.

    • http://none Charlie

      Dan,,,don’t you have a Bible? The Bible tells you how to become a True Christian,,,shall
      We do it man’s way ? or The Bible way?… King Jesus gave The Keys to the Kingdom to
      Peter at Matthew 16:19, and Peter gave you one of those keys to the Kingdom at Acts 2:38 … Now to verify baptism saves you ,check what 1 Peter 3:21 says… Then,,,
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing…

  • Bimbam

    We are being ruled by the “fatherless”. The Bible says women and children shall lead you and children will be your opressers.

    “Women and children” describe the many fatherless growing up in America. The “wild-child” all the way from when prohibition started to now we have been slowly giving ourselves fatherless children.

    Many are undisciplined, angry, revengeful and unstable and they have gotten into the MSM, TV, movies, magazines and politics to spread their besotted ignorance around and all too happy to destroy everything and anything in their path.

    Good luck America, the chickens have come home to roost!

  • Dave67

    I think Clint Eastwood shed some light on conservatives….Clint was talking to an empty chair… That is a perfect representation of conservative’s beliefs… They rebel, rail against something that is a figment of their imagination.

    To them, Obama is an authortarian socialist bent on the destruction of the United States of America. Trouble is… Its figment of their imagination… Its not real.

    To them, they belief the downward trend this country has been in is all due to liberals who wish for a Gov nanny state and for things to be just given to them. Trouble is… that again is a figment of their imagination.

    For the past 30 years, conervatives have had most of the power, its been their economic message that has been the dominant one. Conservatives like George W Bush, Dick Cheney and George H Bush are now neo-cons because conservatives refuse to take any responsibility for their policies…

    Nevermind the conservative social policy lineage is one of keeping African-Americans as second class citizens and keeping women out of the voting booth. They simple do not acknowledge their history because its inconvenient. They believe in the nono-existant history of this country that plays like a “Leave it to Beaver” episode. That America has never existed but it doesn’t stop conservatives froming lying about this country’s history.

    Freedom? Get rid of the big money in poltics and have government be responsive to the good of the people and get back to the point where the majority of people can afford to have a good life with one breadwinner and still be able to save money for their kids college and retirement. We work to this end, the perceptions of lost freedom will be curtailed. We have NOT lost freedom… The majority of people in this country have lost ECONOMIC POWER thanks to Reagan’s voo-doo economics.

  • chuckb

    bimbam, you’re correct and barry is the tip of the iceberg.

  • http://AOL Carl Jakobsson

    My wife and I just returned from a family visit to the Philippines, a country that has been plagued for many years by sectarian warfare between one faction that calls itself Christians and another faction that calls itself Muslims. In that country, the real Christians and the real Muslims have formed joint committees to promote peace between these two faith groups and undo the bad work that has been done by the religious bigots on both sides of the divide.
    These committees promoting peace are facing an uphill battle – as peacemakers always face when stepping into a situation where there has been conflict for many years. However, their work deserves to be recognized and encouraged, and where necessary their example should be followed.
    With regard to Obama, he has made his share of mistakes, but he is not a usurper of the presidency. He was elected in a free and fair election, and he can be reelected or voted out of office – as the people freely see fit to do – in another free and fair election. When people claim that Obama is a usurper of the presidency trying to take away the people’s freedom and establish sharia law in the United States, that is blatantly false.
    As citizens, we need to be evaluating Obama’s performance objectively and not hysterically.

    • Dave67

      Exactly right Carl… Many here are caught up in hysterics and not reality.In order to build this country back up we need to be working together to build a better America. Especially now after the decisions we have made as a country for the past 30 years we are now living with the aftermath of those decisions.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      The reality, Carl and Dave, is that Obama is irrelevant. As with all the previous, he is merely the focal-point, a pacifier, the scape-goat, the wiping-boy; the one who obeys his masters, and stands with hat extended while the populace pour their discontent into it, and for good reasons. You two seem somewhat confused, or perhaps oblivious as to who really runs this country. I can assure it isn’t the current presidency, or we the people. Time to wake up from your delusional slumber, boys!

      • Dave67

        Jay,

        Is that whyt so many articles here paint Obama as the anti-Christ because he is irrelevent? Obama is just another in a long line of bankster supported corporatists.
        But many here blame him for stuff he has liitle to do with or little control over because apparently, nothing bad happened that conservatives did for the past 30 years.

        That is where conservatives are extremely delusional.

      • coastx

        Jay, you want to lead a militia? we need to find a governor that’ll sponsor us. LOL

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Dave67 says: Is that whyt so many articles here paint Obama as the anti-Christ because he is irrelevent?

        He is what he represents, Dave67. Some paint him as the anti-Christ, others paint him as the bankster’s puppet, or a puppet of the Corporatocracy. Some even call him president. Well, whatever turns your crank, i suppose.

        Dave67 says: But many here blame him for stuff he has liitle to do with or little control over because apparently…

        But that is precisely the function of his office, or the reason for his position, his job description, if you will; obey orders, and take the heat for it, nothing more. It doesn’t bother him in the least, trust me on this. Besides, he’s handsomely compensated for it. Why with all the perks, book signings, fat retirement benefits. Why heck, he isn’t the least bit upset at some of the vitriol that may come his way. In fact, he’s laughing at both, his supporters and his detractors, and that, all the way to the bank, and retirement. Personally, i wouldn’t waste my tears on him, and you shouldn’t either.

        Dave67 says: nothing bad happened that conservatives did for the past 30 years.

        You’ve been here long enough, Dave67, to know that the majority here would not agree with that statement.

        Dave67 says: That is where conservatives are extremely delusional.

        Not all, conservatives, Dave67; and not all Democrats are enamoured with the “Anointed One”, but just enough it seems, to stimulate in him, the god-complex.

      • Dave67

        Jay,

        The only people that considered Obama the “anointed one” or “the savior” are conservatives as a dig…

        Conservatives have been responsible for more debt on the books than liberals… But to come here, you think it was all the liberal’s doing. I guess that is correct if you believe Ronald Reagan, Phil Gramm, George H Bush, George W Bush, Dick Cheney, Newt Gingrich and Tom Delay are liberals.

        The term socialist, communist and marxist gets thrown around liberally around here with only a precious few even knowing what the terms mean.

        This article by Bob is more proof that the right wing conservatives in this country are becoming more like the Taliban every day. Compromise? NO Religious litmus test? YES Its my way or you want to destroy America.

        The right have grown more extremist by the year… The sane conservatives need to stand up and oust these people or they risk destroying the GOP forever.

        • actual socialist

          You know what? the republicans drifting to the far-right wouldn’t be so bad if it didn’t coincide perfectly with the democrats shift farther to the center if they had remained truely left-wing the republicans would never be able to get away with HALF the s**t they have

  • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

    At a dinner last night, the astute wife of an American history professor commented that the loss of industrial jobs in the West was her major concern.

    That empirical fact – loss of industrial jobs in the West – and another empirical fact – the reduction of CO2 emissions from the West – are a clear indication that the AGW strategy worked well:

    Pinch off the tailpipe of the Western economic engine and the economy will be stalled, as surely as pinching off the tailpipe of an automobile stalls its engine !

    Western society is gradually awakening to the fact that George Orwell’s nightmare prediction, “1984″, slipped quietly into control of the world while we were asleep:

    http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/1984/

    This conquest of democratic governments was assisted by scientists, educators and news reporters who openly promoted items (1-4) of the common interests of ordinary citizens, while their paymasters quietly took away items (5,6).

    1. We all want world peace.

    2. An end to racism and nationalistic warfare.

    3. An end to the threat of mutual nuclear annihilation.

    4. Cooperative efforts to protect Earth’s environment and bounty.

    5. Governments controlled by the people being governed, including.

    6. Transparency and veracity (truth) of information given to the public.

    Vaclav Klaus is the one world leader today who understands the danger to society when governments promote false models of reality as substitutes for reality !

    Vaclav Klaus, Blue Planet in Green Shackles (Competitive Enterprise Institute, 2007, 100 pages) http://tinyurl.com/5z4j6g

    With kind regards,
    - Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NASA Principal
    Investigator for Apollo
    http://www.omatumr.com
    http://omanuel.wordpress.com/about/#comment-720

    • Kate8

      omanuel – Love your posts.

      • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

        Thanks for you kind comments, Kate8.

        Everyone on this troubled planet needs to know, absolutely, that

        a.) RTG (Reality, Truth, God) is all powerful and unyielding.

        b.) Frightened world leaders have only a false illusion of power.

        c.) We must avoid retaliation or punishment and work toward common goals:

        1. We all want world peace.

        2. An end to racism and nationalistic warfare.

        3. An end to the threat of mutual nuclear annihilation.

        4. Cooperative efforts to protect Earth’s environment and bounty.

        5. Governments controlled by the people being governed, including.

        6. Transparency and veracity (truth) of information given to the public.

        I deeply regret that it still took me almost three years to decipher Climategate, although

        I had the advantage of having a research mentor, Professor Paul Kazuo Kuroda, who was was the first scientist to visit Hiroshima in Aug 1945 [1] after it was vaporized by the atomic bomb

        That scared world leaders into forming the United Nations on 24 Oct 1945 and promoting misinformation [2] on energy (E) stored as mass (m) in the cores of heavy atoms and stars in 1946

        [1] P. K. Kuroda, The Origin of the Chemical Elements and the Oklo Phenomenon (Springer Publishing, Dec 1982,165 pages). http://www.amazon.com/Origin-Chemical-Elements-Oklo-Phenomenon/dp/3540116796 or
        http://www.omatumr.com/abstracts2005/PKKAutobiography.pdf

        [2] O. K. Manuel, “Neutron repulsion,” The Apeiron Journal 19, 123-150 (2012) http://redshift.vif.com/JournalFiles/V19NO2pdf/V19N2MAN.pdf

  • http://hotmail Chris Phillips

    What has happened to America? It has been Israelized.

  • advisor

    You are right on….I have first hand knowledge of a man put in federal prison for 2 years…No charges were ever filed but he was kept there at the “pleasure of a judge” from W Texas until he could come up with $200,000 to secure his release……To this day no charges have ever been filed against him but it ruined his life. think the US doesn’t have political prisoners…? Think again.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    William Stuart ~The Invisible College, The Great European Secret {Central banking History}

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HbEUnd1iqQ

  • SittingMooseShaman

    …we’d have been at war for some time now…if…the Founders were actually present…

  • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

    We were all deceived.

    Now what are we going to do about it?

    I saw it coming in the 1970s, but I couldn’t figure out why my government was lying until Climategate emails and documents were released in Nov 2009 and then world leaders tried to justify fraudulent global temperature data.

    If you want to understand what happened, watch the two videos below and then visit my web page summary:

    http://omanuel.wordpress.com/
    http://omanuel.wordpress.com/about/ . . .
    http://omanuel.wordpress.com/about/#comment-818

    With kind regards,
    - Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NASA Principal
    Investigator for Apollo
    http://www.omatumr.com

    Eisenhower’s warning in 1961:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOLld5PR4ts

    CSPAN video of NASA hiding data in 1998:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3VIFmZpFco

  • Peter

    Bob, I applaud your courage in posting this, and I pray for your protection from the elite tsars.

  • http://cox.net Charlie

    Hey folks you can call me the Charlie, I have watched our country as it falls apart for a long time now. I for one am watching history repeat it self in our country, just ask anybody over the age of 75. They them selves will tell you that we the people have allowed our government to grow into what it is today. Our Constitution gives us the People the right to disband our government when it out grows it self, it is written in different words but they still mean the same. Our government is to be working for us, not the other way around. You can download the first constitution before any amendments where added. It is only my opinion yet true in history that our Founders fought a war against an army of red coats for us to live here with freedom, part of our constition says the goverment can not put anything into law without our vote nor can they impose anything on the people that does not pertain to themselves as well. So tell me where are all the brave men like the founders of this once great country? When are WE THE PEOPLE going to tell our Kings we want OUR COUNTRY BACK and if they so NO then what are you or we going to do about it? I do know our fore father would call us to arms to take a stand once again to regain our freedom and remove this entire government an agenices and start with a new smaller government that is willing to work for the people and return the constition back to what it was ment for. I am afraid that thats the only way to turn this country around, we have people starving and familes living on the streets, major gangs, people living here that do not belong here, major major drug problems with major crime and killings an do not for get all the corruption from police all the way through the goverment it’s on the news every day. Why does our country (government) give 10 Billion a year to Egypt for there military to keep thr peace in the middle east? Why are we fighting a war that Russia could not will in 40 years and it broke there country $$$. I love this country and did serve in 1980 during the first Iran problem, so I am just asking when is everybody going to stop complaining and stand up to our government and big money and finaly put a stop to all this, cause if we don’t it will just keep getting worse. One more question if I may, How many people know that we have more people in prison then the entire country of Greece has citizen’s. May be because we are way to easy on our criminals.

    • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.754 Benjamin Fox

      When a country says it is okay to kill the unborn and not murders, we are in trouble, Israel used to offer up their children to false gods and we are doing it ourselves by playing god, Israel fell and so will we. The things God said He will judge a nation for, we are doing and will bring us down, the reason He gave us a ungodly leader at this time, for His judgement.

    • http://none Charlie

      this ain’t the “Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing ….Charlie

  • Bob

    One of the best atricles I have ever read, Bob. I agree with every word.!!! Thanks for your courage to write the truth.!!

  • http://leeweishar.wordpress.com Lee Weishar

    Great article!

    I think it’s important for people to understand that today, the constitution doesn’t hold much sway anymore. I just finished reading the book ’1913′ by Oliver DeMille (which I review on my blog) and part of the book focuses on the power the supreme court gave itself to interpret things as they want it to be, and not as the law is written.

    basically, something is constitutional if they say it is – and it doesn’t matter what the constitution actually says. That is why the supreme court decisions are so divided on party lines today – the Justices go by their own personal beliefs and not the written word or obvious intent of the law. If they went by the law itself, we wouldn’t see all the division based on party lines – there would be less division, and it would be more random.

    feel free to get a more in-depth (even if not as complete as the book) here:

    http://leeweishar.com/2012/09/03/1913-a-turning-point-in-history/

  • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

    This Climategate summary highlights important historical events:

    1. The destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in Aug 1945

    2. The hurried establishment of the United Nations in Oct 1945

    3. Published misrepresentation of cores of atoms and stars in 1946

    4. George Orwell’s 1948 forecast of government tyranny by “1984″

    5. USSR’s launch of Sputnik threatened world domination in Oct 1957

    6. Eisenhower’s funds hugh US industrial/military complex in 1958-1960

    7. Political pundits surprised by Kennedy’s election as President in Nov 1960

    8. Eisenhower warns of the “scientific-technological elite” on 17 Jan 1961

    9. USSR’s cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin in orbit around the Earth on 12 Apr 1961

    0. Apollo program, Cuban Missile crisis, Kennedy assassinated on 23 Nov 1963

    Only Jacqueline Kennedy recognized this earth-shattering event at the time

    • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

      The last real barrier to a tyrannical, one-world government was eliminated on 23 Nov 1963 !

      • Kate8

        omanuel – It was, indeed, an example of what happens to those who dare oppose it.

        However, knowing the jeopardy JFK placed his life in by intending to reveal this plan, he mapped out a strategy with our military (NCOs and enlisted) to step in should this plan appear to be coming to fruition. These men and women have been a work for a long time, and involve people at all levels of government, too. This is why Obama is going to such lengths to take out the military and our veterans. They are now the biggest obstacle to his mission.

        We MUST take a stand for our military, militia and all patriots. In fact, each and every one of us who love freedom ARE the militia, and it is our duty to our nation to rise up. We must do whatever needs to be done to stop this madness. Our military is willing to give their lives for us. The least we can do is speak out on their behalf.

        • coastx

          BRICON SYG CERTIFICATION/G3 @Kate8 for exemplary commitment to character principled on our constitutional republic via willingness to assert the Bill of Rights and stand ground against legislative sedition and tyranny.

          Congratulations!

          Do you have a website?

        • actual socialist

          You are aware that even if and it’s a big if the cuts go through we will STILL be spending more on our millitary then the rest of the world on thers PUT TOGETHER

      • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

        Thanks, Kate8, for your comment.

        We will either all sink into slavery together, or we will find a way to oppose the tyranny that silently slipped over us all.

        Most of those who supported good causes, like environmentalism and end to racism, etc., had no idea they were being manipulated into slavery by very clever propaganda artists.

        My recommendation is that we avoid retaliation or punishment and offer to work together for these common goals of ordinary citizens:

        1. We all want world peace.

        2. An end to racism and nationalistic warfare.

        3. An end to the threat of mutual nuclear annihilation.

        4. Cooperative efforts to protect Earth’s environment and bounty.

        5. Governments controlled by the people being governed, including.

        6. Transparency and veracity (truth) of information given to the public.

        Conquest of our government was assisted by scientists, educators and news reporters who openly promoted items (1-4), while their paymasters quietly took away items (5,6).

        The good news is just this, Kate8: Our ruthless world leaders are in fact totally powerless over RTG (Reality, Truth, God) ! They have only a false illusion of power!

        http://omanuel.wordpress.com/about/#comment-720

      • Kate8

        omanuel – I wholly agree.

        The most important thing we can all do is to BE the kind of people with whom we want to walk the Earth. The Golden Rule works very well here.

        We must also hold the vision of how we want the world to be. Sadly, most of us are holding the vision put out by the PTB…a fearful one… In fact, this is how they are counting on it becoming manifest.

        It is as simple as aligning with Divine Love, right down to the cells, the atoms, of our bodies. The force of Divine Love is more powerful than any other force, because it is Life Itself. Negative energy will always collapse into itself eventually, because evil is out of alignment with Life/LoveForce, … is corruption and death.

        I do believe that we are about to experience something really big. Whether that be glorious or horrendous depends on our own resonance, and our collective resonance. There is a good chance that the dimensions will divide and we will continue on according to how we choose.

        BTW, The Divine Grid is our natural connection with Life/Spirit. Evil cannot exist here, so evil will always counterfeit the miracles of the Divine for its own purposes. This is shown by the many grids which artificially connect us, monitor us and influence our minds. And yes, it is a false system which can only fail, because it is rooted in manifest illusion.

        Divine Love/Life is ‘raining’ down upon us to empower us. We need only go with it.

        There is only One Power, and nothing happens but that it is allowed to happen. God does not seek to destroy ‘Him’Self.

        Blessings.

  • http://www.omatumr.com Oliver K. Manuel

    I agree Kate8. We must individually remain connected to the Higher Power of our own understanding, even if those holding the reigns of power start a war to avoid an audit:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/05/world/middleeast/iran-supplying-syrian-military-via-iraq-airspace.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20120905

  • A. Csanyi

    Unfortunately, as history shows, peoples’ ideas of the divine vary immensely and in fact religion and freedom are unlikely to mix well. Freedom is one of the greatest values people have fought for for thousands of years and the best “law” has always implied respect for the freedom of others, and even religious freedom exists not in theocracies but in secular democracies where church and state are carefully separated.

    • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

      Dogmatic scientists and dogmatic religionists are identical twins hiding under different cloaks of respectability.

      There is no inherent conflict between science and religion !

      We can realize the same Reality, Truth, God (RTG) by meditation, experimentation, observation, reflection and/or prayer.

      Tyrannical world leaders teach that there is a conflict between science and religion because they want us to accept world leaders’ false illusion of control.

      In fact, they have NONE. Absolutely none ! If the Sun belches or sneezes, they too are instant toast or charcoal.

      Copernicus discovered a giant “fountain of energy” at the core of the solar system in 154; Galileo defended that discovery at trail in 1633 as the Divine order that persistent observers could decipher; Einstein explained the energy with E = mc^2 in 1905; solar oscillations validated that in 1977 [1] and nuclear rest mass data showed how it works [2].

      References:

      01. Peter Toth, “Is the Sun a pulsar?” Nature 270, 159-160 (1977) http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v270/n5633/abs/270159a0.html

      02. ”The sun’s origin, composition and source of energy”, in Lunar and Planetary Science XXIX, 1041, also available as 1041-pdf from Lunar and Planetary Institute, Houston, TX (CD-ROM, March 16-21, 2001) http://www.omatumr.com/lpsc.prn.pdf

      • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

        Copernicus discovered a giant <b.“fountain of energy” at the core of the solar system in 1543 . . .

      • coastx

        Are you talking about at the center of the Galaxy?

      • Kate8

        omanuel – You are absolutely right…there is no inherent conflict between honoring a Divine Creator/Intelligence and science. In fact, science is forever trying to decipher and mimic the work of such Intelligence (or vainly tries to prove it’s non-existence), but as manifest reality tends to conform itself to the expectations of the observer, it proves to be quite the fascinating endeavor.

        I find it amusing that it is the proponents of humanistic ideologies who rail the loudest against the idea of God, and forever proclaim the dangers of such ideas being recognized by governance. In fact, our founders did acknowledge a Divine Creator, Divine Providence… and gave great honor to such…

        Humanism, atheism, satanism…by whatever name… the worship of all things immoral and preverse embraced by the Left… these ideologies are, in truth, religion. Yet these things are what they want to mandate, shove down our throats… take over our children. To those of us who cherish morality and goodness, these things are horrifying.

        Everything today is upside down. I look forward to a time when men hold goodness in their hearts, and where respect and reverence for all of life is a given, where no man imposes his will on another, and where there is no reason to fear another.

        • coastx

          You and I have got to be related.

      • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

        @coastx

        The core of the Sun is a pulsar.

        Cores of galaxies, stars, heavy atoms like uranium (U) and plutonium (Pu), and perhaps some planets like Jupiter and Saturn are neutrons, energized by neutron repulsion:

        1. “Neutron repulsion,” The Apeiron Journal 19, 123-150 (2012)
        _ http://tinyurl.com/7t5ojrn

        2. Peter Toth, “Is the Sun a pulsar?” Nature 270, 159-160 (1977)
        _ http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v270/n5633/abs/270159a0.html

        3. J. M. Herndon, “Internal heat production in hot Jupiter exo-planets”
        _ http://www.nuclearplanet.com/astro-ph%200612603.pdf

        To restore integrity to government research, we
        Must restore constitutional limits on government

        • coastx

          Fascinating! tanks for the info. I think you’re correct about government, and I am guessing God is a republican! = )!

        • coastx

          Let’s take a closer look at solar ejecta. Limiting this to two possibilities, one cooling process involves the accumulation of debris. The other the accumulation of gasses. What are the solar conditions for releasing of elemental composition to produce either effect?

  • coastx

    @Kate8 Marlantis Research! You are beautifully scripted on this philosophy. Check this out. This is my own idea about how life evolved on earth. Brace yourself. This flies in the face of everything we’ve been taught to believe about evolution.

    Earth went through several developmental epochs presaging the appearance of man. We’re not sure exactly where man actually appeared on the scene, except it was sometime after the dinosaurs and the earth cooling off a bit.

    Anyway, the earth was a ripe with conditions to generate life with help form the cosmos, which I believe involved mars was a primary source of biological matter needed to gestate life in the ocean, hence a meteor strike on mars would generate debris which made it’s way to earth as a prefab.

    In this scenario, Mars went through the zone of life in preparation for seeding the next planet through the solar system, and it’s preserved life sealed in protective Mitochondrial/RNA packets could feasibly have migrated to earth and elsewhere as seedlings for a continuation of the development of higher life forms.

    With this in mind, epochs are characterized by seeding as it were, what earthly conditions prevailed in certain kinds of life due to conditions in the biosphere.

    The other part of this model is planets actually issue from the sun as solar mass ejecta which slowly cool into debri-accumulating planets.

    Do something with that. It’ my idea. I am sharing this with you for development.

    • Sammi

      What an imagination! I will give you that! So where did Mars come from????. Where did the elements come from? Where did the first piece of dirt come from?

      Read the first two chapters of Genesis to learn the logical order of creation.

      • coastx

        @Sammi There is corollary with Genesis, because the people who wrote the bible studied astronomy, although it was a forbidden art to pagans. Genesis does in fact lay out an imaginative creation scenario, but it is limited to what they understood about the cosmos in their day. Without a doubt, these individuals also understood human behavior, and this knowledge was based largely on herding, hence the Druid connect with Biblical mysticism. I’m sorry, but Jesus never existed, although he is the Novus and quite literally what we are capable of becoming less the sacrifice. THAT part was built into the myth to acculturate people to ritual human sacrifice, although it didn’t happen to HIM, because he never existed.

        Fact: All matter is generated by the sun and depending on the sun’s cycle, this matter is different planet to planet which emerges from it.

        I’ve rewritten this so it’s a little more interesting. In reality, we are all this God we are seeking, and it’s not outside ourselves so much as it’s a part of who we are. In life we have the opportunity to look back on it every day we look at the sun, wonder about it and celebrate life by living. The killing contravenes this reality.

        REVISED

        Planets issue from the sun as solar mass ejecta which slowly cool into debris-accumulating planets.

        Thus enshrined, earth went through several developmental epochs presaging the appearance of man. We’re not sure exactly where man actually appeared on the scene, except it was sometime after the dinosaurs and the earth cooling off a bit.

        Anyway, the earth was a ripe with conditions to generate life with help from the cosmos, which I believe mars was a primary source of biological matter needed to gestate life in the ocean, hence a meteor strike on mars would generate debris which made it’s way to earth as a prefab.

        In this scenario, Mars already underwent biological development in the zone of life in preparation for seeding the next planet through. Preserved life sealed in protective Mitochondrial/RNA packets could feasibly have migrated to earth and elsewhere as seedlings for a continuation of the development of higher life forms. Such biological life form has been identified by structure in fossilized meteorites.

        With this in mind, epochs are characterized by seeding as it were, what earthly conditions prevailed in certain kinds of life due to conditions in the biosphere. Man came about as a unique life form in circumstances that were largely the product of cosmic evolution beyond our own solar system.

        If we hold to the idea that energy was once concentrated into a single point, this is the origin of our immense star populated universe as well.

        In this regard, we literally came from, and our original home, is our own star, the sun!

        Sammi, YOU, me and everyone of us, we are from the stars!

      • Kate8

        coastx – These very same ideas are tossed around by philosophers and scientists, and are as plausible as anything.

        I do see our sun as the ‘giver of life’ in our solar system. It’s likely that we (which includes our celestial bodies) all emerged from this star. It sustains us, loves us….and can also destroy us.

        All of the universe is repeating patterns…sacred geometry, if you will… and it is in the observation of these patterns that we come to understand that we are all part of something greater…and WHOLE. If we want to know how things work, we observe how anything works, and we study the patterns…

        Beyond our system is our galactic system, and beyond this an even greater system… all operating in perfect order. The complexities of life on Earth is mind-boggling enough… I often ponder how a single cell…say, of the liver or kidney… can imagine itself to be separate from other cells, yet, they all carry the same genetic blueprint…DNA…of the whole, and are necessary to complete the whole. It is the same with each of us, each life form…in the entire universe…we all make up the WHOLE.

        While it may be great mind exercise to contemplate our galactic origins, it doesn’t really matter at this point in our evolution. It’s unknowable from this vantage point. What we can know is that the Divine Spark lives within each of us, or we wouldn’t live at all. It is in being “fragmented”, or out of sych in mind/body/spirit/, that is the great conflict of good vs evil. The world’s conflicts are simply outer manifestations of the inner conflicts of mankind. Therefore, the only way to resolve the conflict in our world is for each of us to return to the heart, and find that place of inner peace.

        If the “reality” of this dimension is but a holographic experience, then origins are holographic, as well. Are we just figures created by light shining through a prism? Will it, at some point, simply terminate, as when the movie projector turns off?

        I think the bottom line is that we, as members of humanity, must learn to align with the Divine…Life/Love… and, hence, live from open hearts. When we can live thus, confident in our place in the Whole, we can live in true freedom, no longer seeking to control others, and allowing none to control us. In fact, the idea of control will be meaningless.

        • coastx

          Yeah, the idea of control is meaningless. Absolutely correct. The only way I can think of to describe the intelligence at work here is cosmic and beyond human comprehension, except we can imagine our existence as a simple 5 piece jigsaw puzzle, because that’s all we’re capable of understanding in these circumstances. God imagination in this regard put this solar system together apparently with the intention of mankind having the ability to look back on the source and think about existence. In my mind God is pressing the transfiguration into life empowering people with the correct attitude to make the transition between this existence and the source while alive, and I believe THIS is what we are heading for in evolution to complete the cycle of life. We can already do this in the imagination, which is a stepping stone to the future. Can’t be bought. Has to be earned on character, in my opinion, and man do I want to pass through that little window! I’ve actually experience out of body, and it’s frighting. It’s too spooky to go there without leadership. We’re anchored in life, but we ARE capable of this little transformation with practice. Just it’s got limitations to prevent usurpers from spoiling this for mankind, in my opinion. Now who are you?

        • Sammi

          Who made the physical laws that govern energy and matter, as for example, the law of gravity? Who designed a living cell so that it is more complex than New York City?

          The same one that inspired the Bible as 2 Timothy 3:16 says:
          “All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial.”

          Our creator wants us to get to know him and so he provided a book for us to learn about his qualities and personality, as well as to let us know how we got here and what his purpose is for mankind in the future.

          As to philosophy of man, it is a snare. As Proverbs 14:12 states: “There exists a way that is upright before a man, but the ways of death are the end of it afterward.”

          We need the loving direction of the ONE who made us. He is giving us an oppurtunity to seek him “while there is yet time.” http://www.jw.org

      • Kate8

        coastx – When we center ourselve in Divine Love/Life, there is nothing to fear from anything. As long as we endeavor to do this through our minds we will fail. We can only find God through the heart/soul. I can’t stress this enough. It sounds simple, but it is very hard to comprehend, because the mind seeks to always be in control. It’s how we’ve been conditioned in the western culture.

        Also, when we center in the heart, it is a very natural process. There is no need for exercises nor techniques. We simply imagine it, feeling it in our hearts and our very beings, and we are there. All we have to do is embrace it, go with it. Follow it.

        When the mind is allowed control, this is where “satan” rules. Satan is the illusion of manifestation, the “beast”, or physical being. It is by its very nature deception, illusion… a lie. It was meant that the heart/soul be the doorway to the Divine, and “rule and reign” over the mind, making the intellect the “good and faithful servant”. The mind is a tool, and was never intended to be anything more.

        Other traditions have similar metaphors. These stories are meant to help us understand our connection with the Divine and our evolution toward wholeness.

        • coastx

          @Sammit (or whatever your handle is) Virtually all the known elements in the physical universe come from the sun. That’s an irrefutable fact. That being said, your questions are absurd. Solar ejecta can in fact sustain as a mass that lays into an orbit around the sun and accumulate debris as it cools, and this if course forms a planet. All of the conditions of that planet depend upon it’s elemental structure during the sun’s cycle of release, so planets will naturally have different physical, and I suspect spiritual, properties. What this means is carbon life is possibly only one of many that coexist, one unknown to the other, in this cosmic paradigm. As for the dirt that forms a planet as it cools, that too is released from the sun. This changes how we view the universe, Gad and man’s ever blundering presence in the cosmos. There are in fact higher life forms, oligarchic government itself preserving our own as one of lower status. The Bible is the oligarch’s acculturation routine for subordination. While we need government, we do not need government that preys on our young women and children for entertainment. I throw this in for the simple reason that most religious people are ritualistic, and thus understood, if they are not perping these horrific crimes themselves they are greasing the chute for those who are. They take the most vulnerable among us at their pleasure worshipping the OTHER sun God what manifestation is the Bible and it’s convoluted and mystified explanations of existence. It’s a rule book for oligarchs. Figure it out. We come from the stars.

          • Sammi

            You say the elements came from the Sun. Where did the Sun come from? Where did the physical laws governing matter and energy come from?

      • sam1966

        Wrong, wrong, wrong coastx.

        “Cursed be all that learning that is contrary to the cross of Christ.”

        Reverand Jonathan Dickinson
        First President of Princeton University

        All this crappy science you know is for naught. If it is against what it says in the Bible it means nothing. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot. This leaves you and AS out.

        • coastx

          Science v the Bible. Isn’t that like God v Jimmy Jones?

  • ASIM ALI

    Islam is a religion of peace; but will be defended to the death if neccesary. We worship the same God the Christians and Jews worship. Most Muslim respect Christians and Jews; unfortunatley the media or population blames what the radicals do on the majority of muslims who are trying to live in harmaony with our neighbors. In Islam we have the same values as Christians and Jews; but why is it when we speak out on injustices we are trying to change a society?

    • Liberty Lover

      And how often do you and your religious leaders denounce the beliefs and actions of the radical extremists within Islam?

    • coastx

      Christians worship Lucifer. is THAT who you are saying Islam worships?

      • Kate8

        coastx – Why do you insist on being provocative against Christians? Do you just enjoy offending people?

        You do not understand the deeper wisdom behind the Biblical teachings. Few do. It is the same wisdom which exists in other esoteric teachings, as well. Granted, Christians have been taught to take the Scriptures literally for the most part, and this was in order to control them. Many of the more esoteric writings were omitted from the Bible for the same reason.

        There is only One Creator, and all of Creation exists in Creator. Light and Darkness are the Two Faces. Remember, opposities are the same, only differing in degree.

        We, as mortals, cannot understand the play of Light and Darkness. You are traveling along the path of learning, and you are building an intellectual library. You learn something new, a partial ‘truth’, and you run with it, only to find that evaporates into another new learning.

        However, at some point you will realize that all of the head learning does not take you where you want to go. I mean, just what do we do with it once we learn it? Because we cannot meet God through the mind, the intellect, because it is a part of physical reality/illusion. God is only found through the heart/soul, and exists in spirit. Truth only exists in Spirit.

        Whether or not Yeshua physically walked the Earth is not really the issue. You cannot prove whether he did or didn’t. What the story is about is the birthing of the Christ Spirit through the heart/soul at it’s awakening. “Christ” means “anointed one”. It is the realization of the Divine Spirit within, the coming into Oneness with God.

        Respecting where people are in their soul travel is part of this walk. We are all but infants, no matter how “enlightened” we see ourselves. We know nothing. Forcing what you think down the throats of good and decent people is something we do when we first start seeing that all we’ve ever been taught to believe are lies. The thing is to also understand that it’s ALL BELIEF, and belief is not “truth” nor “reality”. It is our interpretation of things, and that is all. Parroting someone else’s ideas is not a sign of being evolved. You are just hopping on another bandwagon…going down another rabbit hole.

        • coastx

          Hahaha…I got your confidence, provocateur. I was wondering when you’d start breathing fire. Best way to get at your (anal)ysls is direct your criticism to specific issues, which you can’t do this, because your game is invested in wordy scripted rhetoric. Lovely, like a snake. Ya missed, ya reptile! Hahaha

      • sam1966

        More lies, hate, innuendo, and rhetoric from coastx. Why don’t you post some truths and sources, if your wacked out mind can comprehend doing this. Good post Kate8. Spot on! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot. This leaves coastx out.

      • Kate8

        coastx – Got my confidence? Hardly. I call ‘em as I see ‘em, no matter who I’m dealing with.

        What I see is that you have some interesting ideas, but you will not go where you want to go as long as you have such hatred and contempt for those who do not follow your though processes. You are just operating from different belief, and you haven’t yet found that place of true inner awareness.

      • Kate8

        samurai – Yeshua told us that his followers would be mocked, hated, reviled, persecute and even killed in the Last Days.

        He was pretty good at telling us things that would come, for someone who many say did not exist.

      • sam1966

        Right on Kate 8. You have to ignore coastx as he was dropped on his head when he was born. He was also an abused child, so he takes his feelings of anger, guilt, and depression out on others. It’s the satanic way of doing things. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot. This leaves you out, child of satan.

        • coastx

          What’s my favorite food? No praying for the answer. That’s cheating!

  • Kate8

    ASIM – Allah is not the JudeoChristian God. Allah was the moon god from the tribe of Mohammad. It is not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

    Do you deny that Muslims are commanded to dominate the Earth, and are prepared to kill those who will not convert? I ask this honestly, also knowing that Muslims are also directed to deceive ‘infidels’. So how can I know if you speak in truth?

    BTW, The Christian God is a God of Truth, and would NEVER command us to lie. Satan is the Father of Lies. If your god commands you to lie, how could I respect this? Or even want to?

    • sam1966

      Spot on Kate 8. Well said fellow patriot. Let’s keep up the good fight for the country. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

      You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

      • Kate8

        All the best to you and Sook Young, samurai.

        God bless you in the turbulent weeks to come.

      • sam1966

        You too Kate 8, fellow God fearing patriot. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot. This leaves AS and coastx out.

        • coastx

          This is weird. Kinda like the paranoid version of Monsters v Aliens.

      • eddie47d

        Anyone who supports the numerous false flag wars we get ourselves into is not a Patriot. That makes you a blind sheeple and a coward who is afraid to speak out against those endeavors. Which side of the fence are some of you on and it doesn’t matter if they are Bush’s war or Obama’s wars or even the upcoming Romney wars. It’s long overdue to stop these sheep herders (our presidents) from creating and encouraging these foreign “adventures”. The Gulf War may have had some merits because of the strong coalition but holes could be poked through that also. Like who created the sadistic Saddam family and sold him weapons for his own wars?

      • Kate8

        eddie – That’s one of the more sensible things I’ve read from you.

        Just think what would happen if all fighting men and women would realize that they are fighting fake wars which are launched solely for the enriching of monstrous global elite’s wealth and power. And are, in fact, for the purpose of enslaving humanity.

        What if they all laid down their arms. The ruling elite would be finished.

        It would be THAT simple.

        Kind of shows exactly what they think of us. Stupid SHEEP. Livestock. Cannon fodder. Willing to sacrifice ourselves and our children for LIES.

  • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

    A news report in Science News will be of interest to those wondering who will win the battle against AGW government lies:

    http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/343862/title/Voyager_chasing_solar_systems_edge

    AGW promoters will need all the help they can get from psychology, advertizing, and every other field of human manipulation to hide the influence of the “fountain of energy” Copernicus discovered at the center of the Solar System in 1543.

    That “fountain of energy” extends outward for more that eighteen billion kilometers (> 18 Gkm) !

    By comparison, Earth is less than one billion kilometers (< 1 Gkm), in fact ~0.755 Gkm, from the source of energy that made our elements, birthed the world five billion years (5 Gyr) ago, sustains our lives, and still exerts dominant control over Earth’s constantly changing climate.

    With kind regards,
    -Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NASA Principal
    Investigator for Apollo
    http://www.omatumr.com
    http://omanuel.wordpress.com/

    • coastx

      Can you describe this phenomenon in a short narrative? I’m interested to know more about this.

      • Kate8

        Read it again, coastx. It says “Thank you…”

        In any case, I can only speak for myself. Apparently you have a problem with that. Perhaps it is YOUR ego that is giving you trouble.

        Is there a reason why you feel moved to nitpick my posts? A bit of ego, perhaps, because I called you on a couple of things?

        Hopefully, one day your emotional maturity will catch up with your intellect.

        • coastx

          There you have it. All my life my emotional maturity has been flagging, and all it took was YOU to come along and discover this for me. Amazing! What color am I thinking of?

      • Kate8

        coastx – Ah. It seems I’ve hit a nerve.

        Methinks thou dost protest too much.

        • coastx

          Whatever you think. I learned along ago not to argue with paranoia. Clinical issues need clinical help. I do health and wellness. By the way, are you on your period?

      • sam1966

        Looking in the mirror again coastx? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

        • coastx

          Freedom (the subject of this article) subverted by provocateurs (the individuals who are subverting this discussion thread) is typical of debauchery promoted by neopolitics (a perversion of the rule of law characteristic of repatriation. sam1966 and Kate8 are grifters.

    • Kate8

      omanuel – Thank you for the info and the links.

      I do believe that there is an Intelligence far greater than the feeble, infantile control freaks who have tormented and enslaved humanity for eons. They’ve been put out commission before, and will be again.

      There is so much that we cannot comprehend about this vast universe. We are like bacteria on a mite on a flea, yet we think we know it all and can manipulate it all to our will. It is only by aligning with this Loving Intelligence that we have any meaning at all, and Supreme Will will prevail. It can’t be any other way.

      I thank you for the references. Any information you can offer is much appreciated. We are starving for knowledge, and are left to rely on Divine Guidance to connect with what we need. Providence works in wondrous ways…

      • coastx

        The “I” in “I thank you for the references” is kinds hinting that you were describing yourself somewhere in this little missive. Ego’s a bad habit, isn’t it?

      • Kate8

        This post should be here. I don’t know why it won’t post correctly:

        Read it again, coastx. It says “Thank you…”

        In any case, I can only speak for myself. Apparently you have a problem with that. Perhaps it is YOUR ego that is giving you trouble.

        Is there a reason why you feel moved to nitpick my posts? A bit of ego, perhaps, because I called you on a couple of things?

        Hopefully, one day your emotional maturity will catch up with your

  • http://www.facebook.com/doreen.mateicka Doreen Mateicka

    I am not Christian. Nor am I Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu or Athiest. I do, however, share the concerns about the continuing erosin of personal freedoms in this once great Nation. Unfortunately, this is neither a liberal problem nor a conservative problem–it has been building up for decades, regardless of which party has been in power at any given time. Unfortunately, the degeneration of our society is accelerating, and I fear for the near future. Looks like it’s going to be a bumpy ride. Just for the record, I agree that a return to more traditional values will go a long way toward reversing this trend, if it’s not too late already. Gods help us all.

    • coastx

      This is degradation based on debauchery. Americans have abandoned their fundamentalist values and instead principled up on an alternative neopolitical agenda which has been circumventing the Constitution and Bill of Rights, collapsing US domestic and economic infrastructures, undermining the ability to think via propaganda and occult rendition, the latter of which is the neo prime directive and what primary function of neopolitics is oblivious to ordinary people. It’s a four point repatriation project, and having thrown fundamentalism under the bus decades ago, people believe God’s going to now punish the wicked for their transgressions. What God? We’re the ones being punished. Man’s on his own in these circumstances and sorely remiss in abandonment of caution to guard the door against the wolves, which is idiocy. THIS I do not understand. What do you do in these circumstances? I was reading some of the complaint letters TSA victims have been filing alleging violations of civil liberties and outright sexual assault. The ratio of people complaining to those who are complacent is approximately 1:1000. DHS is ignoring them with increasing penetration into the community with VIPR teams. This is a statement on human consciousness. What mechanism is it that functions in some of us but is turned off in the minds of others under identical circumstances? I think it may have to do with the difference between people who are naturally curious and will seek this information out and those who prefer to NOT be informed and live in whatever routine has been set up to manage people, something like that and of course the majority of people live in a blissful state of mind where if they aren’t aware of their circumstances maybe it won’t matter. Regarding the latter, is this a vegetative state of mind, or is it a domestic maturity issue involving mass ignorance that will some day be relieved by society maturing beyond it’s preoccupation with debauchery? KATE8′s got the answers! Ego rules in the land of blog usurpers! Okay, do me Kate8. I’m kinda interested in your reactive blissful state of mind on this. = )!

    • coastx

      I think another way to describe this is intrinsic v extrinsic motivation. Conformity may in fact be a manifestation of extrinsic motivation, individualism it’s polar opposite. Milgram proves this out some, but there is still another dynamic at play here that makes this a very unstable model, hence revolutions that usually occur when a culture has reached it’s saturation point with a despot. The thing is how do you get people to wake up before things fall apart? Hell, XI-U should have put the entire Delta region on alert but didn’t even register in collective conscience of this region, folks there STILL walking around in a stupor like they don’t have a clue and waiting on TBI/Fusion Center to savior them form these horrific circumstances.

    • actual socialist

      With all due respect going backwards never got anyone closer to ther goal

      • coastx

        @AS Can you elaborate, please? Thought provoking comment. I’d like to explore it.

        • actual socialist

          What i meant was that the republicans seem to think that by setting our policies back forty or fifty years we will have a bright future they fail to realize those policies were abandend for a REASON case in point women have proven capible of seving in the milliatry the police they are ceos mayors governers the list goes on yet the republicans would put them back in the home to cook and clean and raise the kids the republicans would gladly shrink this nations workforce for the sake of an obsolete tradition in the words of a old republican ” the job of conserviteves is to yell STOP when everyone else wants to go foward” i might be paraphrasing but that is the jist of it so that is what i meant the progressive says which way foward the conservitive says turn around

  • Kate8

    Sorry, coastx. You’ve shown yourself to be emotionally unstable and abusive, and any further discourse is futile.

    I am not interested in any more of your pseudo-intellectualizing, and it doesn’t take much to send you into a tailspin. Maybe you will grow up. Not everyone does.

    I have nothing further to say to you.

    Have a nice life.

    • coastx

      Crossover relationships are tough. What can I say. Starting to warm up a bit here!

    • coastx

      Become familiar with the constitution, know and assert the Bill of Rights and STAND YOUR GROUND… or follow Kate8.

      = )!

      • sam1966

        And this coming from a child of satan who always lies about the Bible, knows nothing about our Christian founding, or our Constitution. You are just an arrogant little person, angry at the world, who knows nothing about the great country of ours. Kate 8 is right, time for you to grow up, no nads to serve. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

        • actual socialist

          You know sam you keep praising kate8 and sook might get jealous i,d be carfull

        • coastx

          Rationality v irrationality is one of the great paradoxes if life, hence the ongoing debate between great minds like Einstein and Hawkins v Disney characters Kate8 and sam1966. In the one hand we have the opportunity to perceive reality. In the other escape from reality into a Twilight Zone of Biblical oblivion.

          ALEX JONES says: Wow! You nailed that one to the cross!

  • angelwannabe

    Bob Livingston, this is one of the best articles written to date___To Kate8__I am aware of americanmiltia site and the freedom fighters and have been watching intently

    __and to the nay sayers, you really think you can’t be targeted for your opinion??___Think again, we have been going through an incident which is in the courts for the last 8 months and is directly related to Bobs article__wake the hell up folks, this ain’t Romper-Room!__as long as you appear to be on TPTB side they let you alone, if you start to rattle your chains about Freedom, you become a target___My Husband and I will never give in!!!!

    God Bless those on the side of Freedom & God!

    • Kate8

      angelw – It’s so good to hear from you. I want you to know that I, for one, will be praying for your situation.

      You and your husband have great courage. I know this from stories you’ve told before.

      God bless and Godspeed.

      • angelwannabe

        Thanks Kate all prayers are welcome…this past year we needed them__my Sister and Mother in law were in a serious car accident the end of May in which my Mother in law never recovered and died from her injuries….my sister in law however has made 80% recovery of her reconstructed foot, but still living with us to date…this on top of the incident I mentioned….its been a trying year….but we’re fine :)…., My Mother used to say “the Good Lord only gives it to those who can take it”…..Honestly sometimes I feel we need to be revaluated on that note…lol>>>Thank you for your great posts & your perception of the Bible…. always enjoy reading your posts and your kindness, God’s speed right back atcha’!!!

      • angelwannabe

        PAID TROLLS……still at it I see….lol…. I can’t imagine ANY patriot on Bob’s site who’d engage them and communist agenda….just sayin’……

        • coastx

          Domestic trolls. Friendly. Hahaha…

    • coastx

      Thanks for the info. Very useful!

  • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

    Thanks, Kate8

    Depression and disorientation are common responses on discovering why scientists “fudged” data: George Orwell’s “1984″ engulfed us while we slept:

    http://www.online-literature.com/orwell/1984/

    But this tyrannical tiger is in fact “toothless” and will be chased away if we simply demand our birthright:

    http://omanuel.wordpress.com/about/#comment-818

    http://climateaudit.org/2012/08/10/london-august-16/#comment-349643

    President Eisenhower warned us of this danger in farewell on 17 Jan 1961

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOLld5PR4ts

    • coastx

      Stop talking. Start doing. Join out militia today!

      Kate8, ahead of anything you MIGHT be thinking about saying, BEHAVE!

      Become familiar with the constitution, learn and assert the Bill of Rights and STAND YOUR GROUND against legislative sedition, tyranny and occult rendition.

      • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

        1. We should all know the US Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights:

        http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/

        http://www.ratical.org/co-globalize/BillOfRights.html

        2. Our fears are the only power this toothless, foolish tiger has!

        3. So reclaim your birthright:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcF75h4BHk8

        http://dingo.care2.com/cards/flash/5409/galaxy.swf

        4. Tell politicians we will not trade our Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights for their lies!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3VIFmZpFco

        - Oliver K. Manuel
        Former NASA Principal
        Investigator for Apollo
        http://www.omatumr.com
        http://omanuel.wordpress.com/

        • coastx

          That wasn’t a provocation. It was a recommendation. Excellent resources, BTW. Do check out a militia near you soon. Information and ideas are great. We also need to become more active in promoting the Constitution and Bill of Rights for a reason. Thank you for this information.

          BTW, did you consider my question? Re solar ejecta, limiting this to two possibilities, one cooling process involves the accumulation of debris. The other the accumulation of gasses. What are the solar conditions for the release of elemental composition to produce either a solid or gaseous planet?

      • Kate8

        omanuel – Thanks for the links. The universe is awesome beyond comprehension.

        And I sing that song every day!

        Questions: Do you know if Nibiru/PlanetX is real? And what do you know about a polar shift?

        I’ve been reading about these things for years, but it’s impossible to know what is info and what is disinfo.

        Geeze, it sure would be nice to have some way to know what’s true.

      • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

        Kate8 & coastx

        1. Our government has promoted misinformation on the source of energy stored in the cores of heavy atoms, stars and galaxies since 1945.

        http://omanuel.wordpress.com/ . . .
        http://omanuel.wordpress.com/about/#comment-720
        http://omanuel.wordpress.com/about/#comment-818

        2. There is so much misinformation out there, it is impossible to know when our government is telling the truth.

        3. Ron Paul was shut out of the Republican convention. Support for his Audit the Fed bill in the US Senate is probably the most important political action needed now.

        4. Ordinary citizens are awakening to reality now: Our right to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness has been given away by dishonest politicians.

        5. This social unease will explode violently if we fail to find a way to correct the situation peacefully, e.g., by allowing us to vote for Ron Paul.

      • Kate8

        omanues – So, I can take that as a ‘no’, ‘I don’t know’, or ‘I can’t/won’t say’.

        You evaded my question.

      • http://none Charlie

        coastx,,,who’s your militia commander ??

  • http://www.infowars.com anon

    “We must elect only “moral and religious people” to office. Until we do, tyranny will prosper.” Better start at the local level. Because, it ain’t happenin’ on the national level. You’ll get a Goldman-Sachs-Approved President, whether you like it, or not, “voted” in by dead voters, and pre-programmed Diebold machines. People like Ron Paul? They will just be sidelined by the corrupt.

  • Michael Guenther

    The wonderful outcome of Obama is that now there will be a Republican President, Senate and House of Representatives. No need for ruling with Executive Orders. The Republic will be returned to it’s rightful owners, the people of these United States of America and their chosen representatives. Bye bye Obama you Communist Pig.

    • actual socialist

      You actually think mitt romney cares about you? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha he only cares about wwhat his countrey club friends think but what should i expect of someone so misinformed he would call barrack obama a communist

      • Kate8

        a s – Do you really think Obama cares about you?

        Hahahahahahahahahaha.

        If you can’t see that he’s a communist, probably a Muslim….well, you are just in denial.

        • coastx

          WRONG! Hold On! You are giving Obama credit for something that’s completely absent from his cranium, a B-R-I-A-N! He’s whatever his NSC bosses want him to be, and it’s confusing as hell to follow, because one day to the next he’s a Christian, then a Muslim, Jewish… WHATEVER! HE’S NOT JEWISH! I WOULD KNOW! He’s soulless, plain and simple. Wooden, vacant, no range of emotional expression ANAI. You’d have to be intelligent to be a communist, so THAT doesn’t work, either. He’s a company con man extraordinaire. He’s a grifter, which for all intent and purposes he’s also everything unimaginable under that label alone. GET IT CORRECT, Kate4-4!

        • actual socialist

          Of course obama doesn,t care about me i don,t care about him either i,m just tired of people acting like romney is coming to take us to the land of milk and honey and just where exactly is it written that the president can not be muslim? because to the best of my knowledge no such law exist and i,m not even going to bother to try and correct the communist remark as you would probably ignore whatever i write anyway

      • Kate8

        Oops. I forgot. YOU are a communist.

        • coastx

          This as a first. Post menopausal fixation on communism… I guess the correct question is do you get hot flashes when you think the word com, or is it the syllabification (Bush colloquialism) ending in -ism that causes you to present in paranoid emotional disputes with yourself? Blah blah blah. Report me to the moderator. I turned THAT issue off hours ago. Zup?

        • actual socialist

          Yes i am and i find it endlessly amusing how people like you are so arrogant they think they can explain MY political ideaoligy to me

          • coastx

            Ouchie! Direct hit. Labels Kate8 as a propagandist. Nice…

    • eddie47d

      Lollipop Michael! You’d be just as big a sucker for voting for Romney or haven’t you figured that out yet. Maybe Capitalist pigs are a wee bit better than Communist pigs but not by much. It’s not just crony capitalists who ruined our country for their schemes have been embedded in the way all of America does business. Please tell us what you as a voter will do about their bad behavior.Will you accept it because it is the lesser of two evils? Which of coarse means nothing will change no matter who gets voted in.

      • Kate8

        Come on, eddie. There isn’t even that much difference between them. It’s all for show.

        We already know that they are only puppets, no matter which party they claim. Both parties, being owned and controlled by the SAME ELITE CORPORATIONS, will keep the agenda moving forward no matter who wins.

        Off-camera they all party together. They laugh at us.

        Each election we think we are voting for the “lesser of two evils”, regardless of which side we’re on. That’s because they are BOTH EVIL. Anything else is illusion.

        • coastx

          Will you please stop saying what I am thinking? I feel VIOLATED!

  • http://Jscuba445@aol.com James Zimmerman

    Actual socialist,
    Yes Christians did all that. But Ancient History. I don’t recall any witches being burned in the US for what 500 years. Now let see recent history shows Muslims still haven’t gotten out of that mindset. Stoning women, blowing up babies, and Beheading people at parties. I guess in another 500 years they will actually be the peaceful religion they are always saying they are huh?
    Oh and let’s forget the fun things Socialists have done in the recent past. By attempting to take over the world, exterminating what about 60 MILLION people. Gas, shooting whole families standing Naked in the cold. Burying people alive. And let’s not forget the holiday camps in that part of Russia that Sarah Palin could actually see from that place Alaska. Silly stuff like that.

    • eddie47d

      There are numerous reasons the countries in the Middle East are still backwards and living in the 13th century. Most are desperate to break out of that mold but are governed by Religious dictators. (Dubai may be an exception) Even the dictators can’t change much for fear of rebellion from the masses so the culture remains the same.Free choice is almost non existence within those countries and those who dare challange that Religious authority is severely punished. Whether you know history or not the Christian faith in collusion with the governments of the day comitted the same acts. The Muslims didn’t have ownership on torture or beheadings and especially wars throughout the centuries. Millions died in battles between different Christian religions. I like to think that Christianity has grown up (2012) and the Muslims are stuck in the past . Yet that doesn’t mean we didn’t have a dark side.

    • actual socialist

      The actions you descibe are those of extremists not the majority of muslims who belive alot of things chrishtens belive and there was no socialist plot to take over the world that is a fabrication of 1950s hardliners in the american goverment who exagerated the actions taken by socialist goverments around the world to scare people like you who belives the first thing you’re told

  • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

    Now is not the time to be fighting over images of God, Reality, Truth.

    The current crop of political leaders are like the classic “Ship of Fools”:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_fools

    We’re all going to sink with them if we don’t find a way to undo the damage caused when Ron Paul was shut out of the Republican Convention.

    That closed off the right to express discontent with consensus politicians in the election and greatly increased the likelihood that current social unrest will

    a.) Explode violently in this country, or
    b.) Be contained by starting a war with Syria/Russia

    Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NASA Principal
    Investigator for Apollo
    http://www.omatumr.com
    http://omanuel.wordpress.com/

  • RT

    It’s true the Founding Fathers wouldn’t recognize the US. Of course, it’s the 21st century and we’d have to sit them down to explain that people who don’t own land, black people and women can now vote. Then we’d have to explain about electricity, television, radio, cable and the Internet…You get my drift here, Bob. The world has advanced mostly–though in your case along with the GOP/TP and the Taliban’s, regressed (or is that repressed), but it’s really, really different here in 2012.

  • RT

    Shorter answer with simpler words: you know why I know we’re still free? You wrote and published this article and no one arrested you for it. So, you know, put a sock in it.

    • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

      “You wrote and published this article and no one arrested you for it” yet, therefore you are free?

      • coastx

        RT is an occult provocateur. He’s identified with the #5 and pentagram. Watch his posts. You’ll be able to see his five point troll agenda. This individual is a pervert.

      • http://omanuel.wordpress.com/ Oliver K. Manuel

        Thanks, coastx.

        RT’s agenda is obvious.

      • Kate8

        Then there is this, the decoding(?) of the much speculated Illuminati Countdown Clock, set to reach zero early tomorrow, September 9.

        http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2012/09/illuminati-countdown-clock-cracked-2454448.html

        To what will we all awaken tomorrow? I suppose they are speaking Grenwich MeanTime, so that means early here on the west coast.

        • coastx

          Praying… Do NOT get smart!

    • Kate8

      RT – Actually, many, many people ARE being detained (or even arrested) for speaking out. The suck-up media just isn’t reporting it.

      Fortunately, some of their families are speaking out and hiring legal counsel. But, unless you to to alternate news sources, you won’t hear about it.

      If we don’t do something to stop this now, it will become much worse. The “laws” are all in place for it.

      It’s easy to get around NDAA by just using “mental” detention.

    • coastx

      RT> provocateur> all the same> charm offensive and the double bind> institutionalized neo perversion…. which brings us back to RT.

  • Robert G. Perrin

    The situation isn’t going to improve. The Leviathan state will only become more oppressive. To understand the scope of this, I recommend Robert Nisbet’s prescient The Quest for Community (first published in 1953). (Nisbet’s life work–including, especially, his contribution to political sociology–is discussed in Robert G. Perrin, “Robert Nisbet and the Modern State,” Modern Age, Vol. 39, Winter 1997.)

  • truesoy

    It is with great regret that I break my pledge not to answer any of the ‘nutty’ and ill-informed Mr. Livinstone’s exponents of the principals of the Constitution’s religious original intent. It was never there, at least not in the manner exposed by Mr. Livinstone, for the only religion intend as put forth by the ‘Framers’ was the separation of both, government and religion.
    Furthermore, whatever John Adams quote was, if he really said that of our Constitution, is irrelevant because he neither wrote and/nor signed the Constitution, therefore whatever his understnding of what it should be, or is, is irrelevant.
    However, ironically as it might be if he ever said what’s attributed to him by Mr. Livinstone, it was John Adams the one who signed the treaty of Tripoly in 1797, and ratified by the 5th Continental Congress of the United States attesting to the official denial of a ‘christian’ basis for the United States government.

    Sincerely,
    Truesoy

    • Robert G. Perrin

      The word you want is “prnciples” (not “principals”).

    • Kate8

      truesoy – That is an old, tired argument.

      God and religion are not synonymous.

      It is clear that our founders/framers acknowledged a Creator, Divine Providence, and they spoke of this openly. They dated documents “in the year of Our Lord”. And it is clear that they referred to the Judeo/Christian God.

      However, they were also clear that no one is required to acknowledge God, or any god. Each man is free to choose. Nor should anyone be restrained from speaking openly of his faith, or lack thereof.

      They also knew that a godless people would become an immoral, corrupt people. Which, btw, has been borne out. Always is. So belief in God was encouraged for the preservation of our nation, the family, and decency.

      This argument is nothing but a distraction, meant to demonize Christianity. You liberals actually defend Sharia, and that is truly a brutal system which does NOT allow for any freedom of choice, and non-adherence is punishable by death. You defend a Muslim “president”, even though Islam openly states its mandate to control the state and be the national religion. We’ve seen this happen in country after country over history, where Christians are slaughtered in the name of religion, even today, yet you deny it. No religion has ever been as brutal as Islam.

      Christianity is the only belief which has allowed for freedom, yet it is the one you seek to stamp out because you’ve believed the propaganda wrought against it by those who would corrupt and enslave you.

      Why don’t we just move on already. This argument just doesn’t pass the muster.

    • truesoy

      ….

  • Robert G. Perrin

    Sorry–make that “principles.”

  • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

    There is a monumental amount of evil present in todays America. Satan, the father of lies and every other evil act you can think of, only has the power of persuasion over people. He used his power on Adam and Eve and has been doing it to all humanity ever since. What we’re seeing. and living, is a world succumbing to his persuasions. Sorry, there’s no excuse for men chosing to listen to him. We do that by choice. The “the devil made me do it” syndrome excuse doesn’t cut it. God provided an escape claus spelled out in John 3:16 for all that will take Him up on it. There is a line drawn in the sand between God / Christ and His people and Satan and his people. As evil spreads, it’s getting more and more evident. The victor was defined at the beginning and now it’s time to get rid of Satan and his ilk and open up with a world governed by Morality and Liberty with Christ / God heading it for those that chose Christ and His ways.

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    • coastx

      Hahaha! Someone out there has my back! Hello, brother! I just joined a militia, BTW. Good organization. Won’t say where, but they do a background check on their applicants. Let’s see, I got drunk once and fought this guy in 198..forget it. He was a cop. We avoided the police. Then there was when my sister in law seduced me. I turned her down, and all hell broke lose. I have NEVER struck a woman! Not even her. No criminal issues. Lots of trouble growing hormones which it took a Baptist minister to clean me up when I was 15. This was the only preacher I ever met who had any dignity and believed in what he was doing. Have been run off plenty of liberal internet sites for condemning neopolitics, INCLUDING Prison Planet. Got censored here for swearing. Reported by Mrblueballs and Kate8-7. I don’t know what else to say. They might turn me down being a high school drop out and all. Dang. Well see. Thanks for the post! GO BRICON!

  • Jim Wells

    I agree with the fact that we certainly are not free. To those who think you still are free, go out and try to express your freedom of anything and see how that works out for you. When was the last time you exercised your freedom, you may be surprised. However, do not blame this on some godless hoard and think that the christians would not have allowed this to happen if only we had god in the schools or some other mythical creations of your choice to determine morality. It is the judeo-christian society that has raised and enpowered these mongrels to do what you suposedly want. The authors of the constitution realized that the only way to keep what we are seeing today from happening was to allow equal power to all faiths but that is not what we have today. what we see is christian radicals running crazy which is what always happens when one religion is enpowered by whatever means. Your religion should be your own and no one esles business, what we see happening is the result of a select few religious power mongers attempting to force their morals and views on everyone else in the name of god. It is quite sickening to watch.

    • Kate8

      Jim Wells – Radical Christians running crazy? Where?

      The only people I see running crazy are the ones who want to promote LGBT, abortion, euthanasia, state control of education (taking this right away from parents), and those working hard to make sure there is no mention of God anywhere and that Christians are silenced once and for all.

      Of course Christians are rebelling against this.

      That being said, the government has no place inserting itself into any of these issues. These are personal choices that do not required laws to control, promote, or forbid them.

      The Bill of Rights is clear: Congress shall make NO LAW. This means NO LAW, and that we are free to express (or reject) any form of religion we choose, without fear of reprisal.
      Churches are to be totally separate from government. However, you cannot separate a man from his values, so is a given that a religious person will serve in office accordingly. As long as these values are consistent with the Law and morality, it’s no problem. If they are in conflict, such as with Islam, it is a BIG problem.

      Actually, up until LBJ, it was required that immigrants come from cultures which had values consistent with our American culture. When they began bringing Muslims, whose religion requires that Sharia dominate government, and requires them to increase until they have the numbers to overthrow, it caused a problem. It’s kind of a no-brainer that this is a really bad idea. If people want to live under Sharia, they can stay in their Islamic countries. If anyone comes here, they need to adapt to our culture or be deported.

      “Diversity” is a sham, and it is not for the purpose of strength but of weakening. Diversity is the opposite of integrity, and it was for the purpose of division, and the PTB knew that these foreign cultures would be easy to manipulate in their aims of causing ethnic and dogmatic division.

      • coastx

        Can I have a sample of your genes, please. We’re related. I would like to know if you are my sister, or i am your brother, or maybe…noooo, not that!

      • Bert Cundle Sr.

        The Bill of Rights is clear: Congress shall make NO LAW. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
        That is the PROBLEM! “CONGRESS” Didn’t make the Laws! “Lobist” introduced the laws to “State Law Makers” to pass!!!

    • coastx

      Comment awaiting moderation… I guess the stick is stuck!

  • jfenn

    All good and valid points, right up until the final paragraph in which you advocated that we “elect only “moral and religious people” to office.” If you are registered to vote, you are deemed by the United States to have voluntarily acquiesced to its control over all that you are. See the holding in U.S. vs. Cruikshank. U.S. citizens are merely subsidiary corporations of the United States. All of the state governments are now operating as subsidiary corporations of the United States, too. A U.S. citizen has no rights other than those it has been granted by the parent corporation, so his rights can change at any time. A “judge” might alter a U.S. citizen’s rights at any time, too. The beginning point of liberty for all Americans is “rejection of the body politic.”

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    • coastx

      Body politic= tyrannical government…

  • http://www.yahoo.com jeffreyliakos

    We were a free nation for a long time until our government, through the implementation of the income tax, some elements of the Patriot Act, and Obamacare infringed upon them unnecessarily. I thought government was supposed to protect our rights, not subvert them. Seems like they are doing too much of the latter in my personal opinion.

    Our rights came from God, not our government. Socialists and liberals seem to believe that government gave us our rights. The problem with the liberal mentality is they think it’s all right to tax an individual’s money at random. They have no real right to other people’s money. Believing otherwise creates an entitlement mentality and is illegitimate.

    To the best of my knowledge, we still have our Constitution and Bill of Rights. From what I am noticing, they are only getting lip-service and little else. I thought our leaders were elected to preserve, protect, and defend our Constitution. Looks like I am wrong. A thing that frustrates me and many people is how we seem to be getting very little if any meaningful representation in our federal government by our elected leaders.

    I don’t have any beef with people who identify themselves as liberals. 2 people who have liberal views that I have great respect for are Juan Williams and Bob Beckel. Their views are stated reasonably and constructively. People like them make the political debates and discussions seem appealing because they are more civil in my view than most liberals. Also, despite their liberal leanings, they make political debates sound worthwhile.

    • Armen Kartvelian

      Thank you for a well-reasoned comment. Much of what is written here, IMO, could have been left unwritten and no one would have been worse off.

      • http://www.yahoo.com jeffreyliakos

        I agree. Much of what is on here could have gone unwritten. At one point I got into an argument with a guy I know who has liberal views. This in itself I have no problem with. My main objection to his view is that he believes that people with higher incomes should pay a higher tax rate than those with lower incomes. Taxes are necessary, taxing income is not. Our tax code is unreasonable and outdated. I prefer a consumption tax personally.

        This guy I know claims that George W. Bush stole the presidential election. That is a bunch of baloney. 2 recounts went in his favor, so claiming that the election was stolen has no legitimate factual basis. He also said that George Bush and his henchmen, as he called them, like spitting on the poor and love war. That is hardly accurate. I think the Patriot Act had some areas that were excessive, however, I think it was implemented with the best of intentions. The war was thrust upon us, not something that we asked for.

        • Armen Kartvelian

          Although the tax code needs a thorough review and comprehensive reform, I almost dread what the Congress that tackles that problem will do.

          A consumption tax will be hard to implement. For one thing, those advocating for the poor will point out that such a tax will work like the tobacco and gasoline taxes already do. How so? The gas and tobacco taxes take a greater percent of a poor smoking driver’s income than of a smoking, driving Goldman, Sachs VP. If ever proposed in Congress, such an idea will either be studied to death or never brought to a vote. See Senator Reid’s handling of a number of bills passed by the House during the current session.

          It’s said that many in our society are entitlement-addicted. Perhaps. I know the spirit of everyone chipping in, doing as much as they can for the common good, which characterized America when I was younger is apparently operative now only after a disaster like Katrina, the tornado that hit Joplin, MO, etc. The country is the worse for the loss of such values.

  • http://None Who Wants to Know

    Okay, let me see IF I understand this Correctly. We have NO METHOD of changing things regardless of WHO we ELECT. The JUDGES are so STUPID that they pass RULINGS that contradict the CONSTITUTION, and the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT passes LAWS that go AGAINST the CONSTITUTION and the PEOPLE are being ENSLAVED.

    NO WE ARE NOT FREE. The ONLY way we can become FREE is to KILL the IDIOTS in Washington and in our individual States AND START OVER.

    NOW, how long are WE going to last as we KILL the IDIOTS???

    • Sammi

      If you want to know the real answer to the world’s problems–look here:

      http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101992009?q=new+world&p=par

      • Bert Cundle Sr.

        His dream is like the guy that thinks Heven will have Streets of GOLD! How would you like to pay taxes there?

    • Bert Cundle Sr.

      The only way you know that the Vote Count is Correct… Is to count them Your Self! The Electoral College, Claims Control of Votes! ( Even if there were Politicans Worthy of Support.)

  • Bert Cundle Sr.

    Bob: Since you have stopped sending me new topics, to my E-Mail… I found this Topic started 26 days ago… ( Right on the target of my Struggle for Civil Rights; & Fight against Governments Criminality!) Remember that Government means CONTROLER! The Multitude of forms, are an example of totaltalitarianism. From: Be like others… or you can’t do that, we can! 10,000 Laws, & More to come! What Bad laws have been repealed?
    If you thought it was bad when Loyality to U.S. of A. was Strong… Obsurve loyality to Global rule! & When Church gets Control… Freedom will be a DREAM!!!

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear Bert Cundle Sr.,

      You write: ” Since you have stopped sending me new topics, to my E-Mail” If you have stopped receiving emails from us then you have unsubscribed or they’re going to junk.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Bert Cundle Sr.

        Spam? I go through all of my spam! But a Hacker Destroyed my Computer for a while, so they must have deleated you. I’ll sign in again. Thanks!

  • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

    Steven Goddard has an interesting report on a highly successful movie that is being ignored by our news industry, “2016: Obama’s America”

    http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/09/28/the-movie-which-must-not-be-named/

    The sad facts are just these, and nothing less.

    1. Obama is the one selected to bring to completion a project started on 24 Oct 1945.

    2. We are living in the “1984″ that George Orwell warned about in 1948, http://www.george-orwell.org/1984 , almost immediately after being warned by someone, probably fellow science fiction writer, Fred Hoyle, that information about

    a.) Japan’s Atomic bomb project was hidden from the public to promote the United Nations on 24 Oct 1945 [1]

    b.) Energy (E) stored as mass (m) in cores atoms was falsified [2]

    c.) Energy (E) stored as mass (m) in cores stars was falsified [3]

    Here’s the rest of the story:

    http://omanuel.wordpress.com/about/#comment-1127

    [1] David Snell, “Japan developed A-bomb; Russia grabbed scientists,” Atlanta Constitution (3 Oct 1946) http://www.my-jia.com/The_Flight_of_the_Hog_Wild/Atlanta_Constitution.htm
    Preserved by Bill Streifer, et al. of the Flight of the Hog Wild Project
    http://nlsopublog.blogspot.com/search/label/Hog%20Wild

    [2] Hideki Yukawa, Introduction to Quantum Mechanics (1946); Introduction to the Theory of Elementary Particles (1948) http://www.nndb.com/people/759/000099462.

    [3] Fred Hoyle, “The chemical composition of the stars,” Monthly Notices Royal Astronomical Society 106, 255-259 (1946); “The synthesis of elements from hydrogen,” ibid., 343-383 (1946).

    With deep regrets,
    Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NASA Principal
    Investigator for Apollo

  • Jamie Cameron

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    along with ur friends as well. you know the rest of the story. Fits.
    I just wish it was a night mare dream to wake up from . but it real Folks.

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  • http://www.yahoo.com jeffreyliakos

    I have a documentary, Unconstitutional: The War On Our Civil Liberties, which paints a disturbing picture of what happens when matters like the Patriot Act goes too far in terms of the violation of our civil liberties. The Patriot Act-I thought it was meant to preserve our security. My thinking is that it went too far in some respects. Some people who were held in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba were said to have had nothing to do with terrorism. I have a book by Jesse Ventura, American Conspiracies: Lies And More Dirty Lies The Government Tells Us. He said some things that were patently absurd in my view and some things I thought could be true, depending on your way of thinking. A chapter that made me angry was a chapter that inquired as to what really happened on 9/11/2001. The reason that is so is because I am convinced that our leaders knew about the attack before hand and allowed it to happen. The 4th amendment protects our rights against unreasonable searches and seizures. The 6th Amendment allows the accused the right to a speedy and public trial and to be informed as to the cause and nature of the crime of which they are accused of commiting.

    • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

      Jefferyliakos,

      Regretfully I cannot deny any of your suspicions.

      However I can assure you, absolutely, that:

      1, Society is in its current mess, worldwide, because of selfishness, self-centeredness.

      2. This attempt to establish a tyrannical, one-world government has been on-going since the United nations was established on 24 Oct 1945

      3. The plan to enslave mankind will fail, probably this year, because it is opposed by the all powerful Force that made our elements, birthed the world, endowed mankind with inalienable rights, and still sustains our lives today.

      http://omanuel.wordpress.com/about/#comment-1615

      • truesoy

        omanuel;

        You are wrong!!!!!!!

        There will be a ‘One World Government’m eventually. It will be driven by the ‘gobal market and the international banking system (our banks and all other financial institutions are major players in this game), and many of our politicians are active participants.
        Remember President Bush constantly referring to the ‘new world order’, as if to condition us to the idea?
        See, once you have a one world economy (it started by outsourcing the wealth and production from one nation to another) the next practical steps are rules and regulations to define the market as demanded by the participants in this global market to protect themselves from one another. And once you have rules and regulations you will need an enforcement mechanism with the power to ‘enforce’, and thus the culmination of the evolutionary process in the birth of an international/global government is accomplished.
        Ps.- keep an eye on Romney for he is not the man to stop nor slow down this process, but rather he is one more part of that ‘engine’ driving us there.

        Sincerely,
        Truesoy

        • http://naver samurai

          Andf Obama bin Laden hasn’t sped up the process? I have to agree that there will be a OWO in the future, as it says so the the Book of Revelations, but we cannot stop fighting against it. To accept it and allowing it to take over is an act of a traitor, coward, and one of satan. Ergo, not the American way. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

          You need both love of country and fear of God to be a patriot.

  • http://www.yahoo.com jeffreyliakos

    Omanuel, you said that you cannot deny any of my suspicions regarding what I have said here. In your view, do you think our government allowed the attack to happen in order to get more control over our lives? Perhaps I am being paranoid, but I believe that 9/11 was an inside job, that our government used that as an excuse to undermine our freedoms by implementing policies like the Hold Until Clear policy and the Patriot Act. Now, I think Bill Clinton deserves most of the blame because he was offered Osama Bin Laden and refused the opportunity to bring him to justice. A guy I know, naturally a libersl, claims that George Bush was responsible for the deaths of many people, that he is a war criminal. That is nothing but B.S., and claiming that he is the worst president ever is wrong. From what my parents have told me, Jimmy Carter was a disaster, that he enacted policies that were economically unsound.Now, he and Barack Obama are the worst presidents we’ve had.

    • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

      I too was a leftist Democrat and a liberal most of my life.

      Now I realize that the USSR outsmarted Allied leaders at the end of the Second World War, when we agreed on 24 Oct 1945 to establish the United Nations.

      We willingly abandoned the constitutional government that we inherited from our founding fathers.

      My research mentor, Dr. Kazuo Kuroda, was on the faculty of the Imperial University of Tokyo in 1945. He was the first scientist to visit and study the explosion that destroyed vaporized Hiroshima on 6 Aug 1945.

      He probably knew that the cores of stars and heavy atoms, like U and Pu, are mostly neutrons and store energy (E) as mass (m) until detonated in nuclear bombs and supernova explosions.

      The US military relocated Kuroda to the United States after WWII ended.

      In 1960, Kuroda assigned me this research problem: “The Origin of the Solar System and Its Elements”

      Here’s the answer: “Neutron repulsion,” The Apeiron Journal 19, 123-150 (2012) http://tinyurl.com/7t5ojrn

      Please study this material and contact me by email if you have questions: omatumr2@gmail.com

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  • http://www.yahoo.com jeffreyliakos

    An area where our freedoms are under assault is the infringement on 1st Amendment rights to free speech and free exercize of religion. An article I read and shared with a guy I know, who is naturally a liberal, talks about how a mother wishes to homeschool her daughter. She and the father were in a bitter legal dispute as to how the child would be educated. The father used the power of the state to force the daughter unwillingly into a public school environment. This guy assumes (ignorantly) that I am in favor of withholding education from children. I never said any of that. All I said at the time was that the government has no legitimate authority in this matter. The child in question was never consulted in this matter, not asked what her wishes were regarding this situation. Liberals and conservatives, democrats and republicans, are opposed to war. The only problem is liberals want to wave the white flag of surrender, not fight back when we are attacked by foreign enemies and their governments.

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