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Slavery To Continue At Walmart

June 28, 2011 by  

Slavery To Continue At Walmart

In a June 20 ruling, the U.S. Supreme Court struck a note for liberty when it overruled Federal courts in San Francisco that had allowed all women who worked for Walmart since December 1998 to join in a single, nationwide suit seeking back pay. I say struck a note for liberty, because this was about far more than Walmart’s winning out over a bunch of high-priced litigators who represented a group of ungrateful Walmart employees.

The court ruled that the 1.5 million women at 3,400 Walmart stores in the United States had too little in common to allow a class-action lawsuit to move forward. In the court’s opinion, there was no proof that Walmart employed a general policy of “systemic discrimination.”

What makes the Supreme Court’s decision especially delightful is that the law firm of Cohen Milstein Sellers & Toll lost roughly $7 million in pursuing this classic deep-pockets case. It’s enough to make one fantasize about how different our court system (and our economy) would be if attorneys who lost frivolous lawsuits would be required to pay the winners’ legal fees.

But let’s get back to Walmart’s employees. Forget that Walmart is the No. 1 employer in the country, employing 1.4 million Americans in 4,424 stores. (Worldwide, Walmart employs more than 2.1 million people in 9,198 stores.) Forget that Walmart saves consumers billions of dollars each year on retail purchases. Forget that its employees, on average, earn about double the minimum wage. It doesn’t matter how much good Walmart does, the raw-meat crowd continues to call for beheadings. Bring on the Jacobins!

The word from some disgruntled employees has long been that Walmart doesn’t treat its employees “fairly” — whatever that’s supposed to mean. But, definitions aside, this is your lucky day. Because if you think Walmart is “unfair,” guess what? You don’t have to shop there.

Wow! What a novel idea: shopping with your feet. If you don’t like the fact that Walmart carries too many products made in “sweatshop” countries, shop with your feet. If you believe Walmart puts smaller retailers out of business and you’re unhappy about that, shop with your feet.

Nevertheless, to make it easy on the social-justice crowd, let’s assume there is such a thing as absolute fairness. And let’s further assume that Walmart does, indeed, treat its employees unfairly. That, of course, begs the question: What in the world can be done to protect Walmart’s paid slaves?

More good news: In a truly free society, unfair treatment of employees would never be an issue, because workers would be free to sell their services for the highest possible wages in the open market. If someone chose to work at Walmart, he would do so only because he believed, consciously or otherwise, that it afforded him the best opportunity to be adequately compensated for his skills, his experience and his efforts.

An employer doesn’t ask a job applicant to present a list of his job requirements when he submits his application. On the contrary, the employer lets the applicant know, in advance, what the company’s conditions of employment are.

If those conditions call for 15-hour workdays, minimum-wage pay and no paid sick leave, so be it. How can I say such a dastardly thing? Because an employee not only does not have to take such a job, he also has the right to quit his job at any time.

Furthermore, since an unhappy employee is free, he can apply for another job anywhere he chooses. No permission needed. On the other hand, if he chooses to stay in his present employment situation, he is making a clear statement that he believes it’s the best position he can hope to obtain at that particular time. If this were not true, he would be insane, or perhaps masochistic, to remain in his present job.

It doesn’t take a Ludwig von Mises to explain it. In a free market, everything works smoothly because both employers and employees are free to make their own choices. It’s only when government bureaucrats or labor thugs (aka labor unions) enter the picture that freedoms are violated.

All government intervention between employers and employees results in infringements on the rights of one or the other — or both. The same goes with labor unions. The actions of most labor unions are fundamentally immoral and in violation of the Constitutional rights of both employees and employers.

The so-called union shop is a violation of the natural rights of every employee who is forced to join a union against his will — even without the new card-check legislation being proposed by the National Labor Relations Board. And, worse, it is a violation of the rights of an employer to hire whomever he wants, whenever he wants, for whatever reasons are important to him.

Unfortunately, that’s not reality in today’s People’s Republic of America. After decades of artificially high wages and benefits, job-protection schemes and government-mandated safety standards, spoiled American workers demand still more.

I would make the case that an excellent investment for Walmart would be to spend mega-millions of dollars to educate its employees about the morality and efficacy of liberty and laissez-faire economics. It would be a lot less expensive than the draconian legal fees it is certain to continue incurring in the coming years.

Now that we’ve come face to face with the ugly realities of Marxism in the United States, it’s time for corporate leaders to man up and start educating their own employees, as well as the public at large, about the wonders of capitalism. History has clearly taught us what to expect if good men do nothing.

However, educating muddled minds does not begin with the worker; it begins with big business. If corporate America does not truly believe in laissez-faire capitalism, why should its workers? And if it does believe in laissez-faire capitalism, but is unwilling to suffer “mortification of the flesh” (in the words of Frank Chodorov) in presenting the truth to the public, then the case for free enterprise is lost.

In the meantime, it’s up to each of us to become proactive and not wait for corporate America to come to our rescue. Take every opportunity you can get to extol the virtues of capitalism; when you do so, you extol the virtues of freedom. It’s true that you are but one person in a sea of millions, but it is completely within your power to be part of the solution to America’s ills rather than part of the problem.

If the Supreme Court can rule in favor of liberty, anything is possible.

–Robert Ringer

Robert Ringer

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  • Kinetic1

    Spoken like a true robber baron.

    • Msgnewman

      “The democracy will cease to exist when you TAKE away from those who are willing to work and GIVE to those who would not.” — Thomas Jefferson

      “Free men are NOT equal, Equal men are NOT free.”

      Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish. Talk sense to a liberal (leftist) and he calls you a hater, racist, sexist, bigot, homophobe, denier, wingnut, teabagger, Republican, angry mob, capitalist.

      • charles kiser

        agree with you 100%

      • Duncan

        I believe the founding fathers wanted you to hear all of the bad news so that you could take action and foster change. But FOX noose has taken a completely different tack. Regardless, you conservatives are painting yourselves and the Country into a corner that will be calamitous to YOU. Your beliefs of the end of the world will create your reality. My thoughts see such great opportunities with the rise of China, Russia, Brazil and India….I am not afraid. I am liberal and I like humans more than corporations:-)

        • Crystal

          How moronic!!!

          • Grant

            How very perceptive of you. I’m delighted. In one paragraph he has confessed to more grievous errors of (lack) of knowledge than most would in a volume. if I may speak for what must be a great many of the readers I’m certain we would be interested in more of your thoughts on personal freedom and individual sovereignty.

        • Push comes to shove

          My last name is Duncan so somewhere down the line we are associated as the Duncan name came from King Duncan of Scotland.

          How embarrassing for me.

        • http://Yahoo Bob from SoCal

          Your openness to Evil will be your downfall and the downfall of those around you. Your tolerance blinds you to the truth. You can put your neck in the noose if you want, but don’t put my neck in jeopardy to appease you conscience.

        • http://certus-certusblogspot.com RAYMOND HARBIN

          DUNCAN, AN ABSURD, BASELESS SUIT LIKE THIS IS CONSIDERED WRONG AND ILLEGAL IN RUSSIA AND COMMUNIST CHINA. IN NORTH KOREA THE CONCEPT IS UNKNOWN.

          MAU TSE TUNG MURDERED 70,000 INNOCENT CHINESE TO COMMUNIZE THAT NATION– AND YET, THE DESCENDING GOVERNMENT CONSIDERS BASELESS TORT ROBBERIES THAT WE ALLOW– TO BE UNFAIR TO THE BUSINESS AND HARMFUL TO THEIR CHINESE CITIZEN CLIENTS.

          DOES THIS NOT TELL US SOMETHING ABOUT OUR EGREGIOUSLY CORRUPT, LAWYER BORN AND LAWYER BRED TORT LAWS?

          WALMART COULD OVERCOME THE HUGE COSTS IF THE COMPANY HAD LOST THE SUIT– BECAUSE WALMART WILL NOT PAY FOR THIS MORAL INSANITY– THEIR CUSTOMERS WILL. JUST ANOTHER ANTI-AMERICAN FORM OF REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH, ENDLESSLY APPLAUDED BY THE LEFTIST OF OUR NATION, BUT DISMISSED BY THE MARXIAN COUNTRIES NOW BUILDING A FREE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM BECAUSE THE OLD SYSTEM FAILED. ISN’T THERE A LESSON HERE FOR OUR NATION?

          • SJvet

            i41, Stalin also starved to death about 100 million people. What a country!

          • Kate8

            Yes, and isn’t it interesting that there is only much ado made about Hitler’s slaughter of 6million Jews.

            While this is, indeed, horrific, why is it that all of the hundreds of millions of non-Jewish people are rarely mentioned? In Hitler’s case, he also slaughtered over 11 million non-Jews, but we rarely hear of it.

            There were millions upon millions slaughtered in Russia, China, France, and Africa. And let’s not forget the killing fields of Cambodia. Are these people not worth mentioning in history?

            Even today, there is genocide of millions of Christians around the world, especially places like Africa and China, but we have to seek out info on it.

            I know I have left out millions who have been put to death because of who they were.

          • cerebus23

            While i agree with a good bit especially about the part that corporations do not pay out class action lawsuits the costs get pay by their customers.

            I do not support caps lock posting :P.

            Free markets do work, with oversight, but once oversight does it’s job the market can correct itself with the public educated.

            Say evil corp A is using child labor, and cooking its books in the process, Press and law enforcment get involved, stuff is all over the news and in papers evil corp A’s stocks nosedive almost immediately to worthless, while the public and other business shuns their products or services.

            While i tell you how good free markets can work, let me also tell you how government regulation is bad for markets.

            Government is depressing the dollar, they been depressing it since bush 2 came in, european partners continually chided bush for the falling value of the dollar.

            Now the dollar is dirt cheap worldwide, plus we are printing money left and right to cover our spending and interest payments. We add on another trillion dollars for government run health care (and i cannot wait to see the day when the government is telling your 70 year old mother with a failing kidney that she cannot have the operation ……..yea no death panels over here nothing to see folks, and bush added the tsa (we know how well federal run airport security is going), while spending on 2 wars, then we have a hosing bubble, banking structure collapse (government run also), katrina, double dip recession, etc etc. So for the last 10 11 years, we have been spending and spending and spending.

            How about that banking collapse? it is hard to ignore the fact that the federal government starting under jimmy carter and the rate increasing under every administration of both parties, to the point under bush 2 the federal government mandated that 55% of all loans a bank gives must be in “high risk” housing loans. Mind you they are hiking the rate in the face of a gigantic HOUSING BUBBLE (golf clap for sheer genious). SO the congress ponying up bankers left and right and just berating them about predatory lending and the evils of greedy bankers, well you know what they say when you point fingers, the congress had not a moral ground to stand on in the least in this whole fiasco.

            But end result is few banks go completely under because suprise telling banks they had to give more loans to more people that may not be able to pay them off and on top of it the mortgage rates were astronomical because of the housing bubble that noone could really explain, but everyone was waiting for it to crash. I think the rate was 50% under clinton, before the hike to 55% under bush 2, even without a hike the thing probably would have collapsed however, it just would have taken longer.

            But as a result of the depressed dollar, and our wise washington spending, that many of the major world players want us removed as the international currency, seeing that everything traded on the world markets was based on the usd so your paying with usd for anything, eu and asia was none too happy as our dollar fell and fell making their products more expensive, and the printing of moeny was inflating the dollar to untold levels of late especially.

            As a result there have been meetings, without the usa invited of course, between china france, middle eastern partners all making plans to move forward as removing the usd as the international currency.

            What does that mean to us? That means that when the usd is removed its status and another currency is chosen that the federal government will not longer be allowed to print money to cover spending, if the federal government cannot print to cover spending that means that the legit money in taxes they take in might just cover the interest on the debt but nothing else.

            Let me talk about corn for a moment. Corn is an amazing thing isn’t it? It is on just about everything we eat, it can be used to make cooking oil (incidently cars can run on used cooking oil, filtered of course), it can be ground into flour, it can be made into butters and sweatners, and so on. It can also be used to make biofuel.

            Course many other things can be used to make biofuel, some wild grasses even, but the research is proably a few years out to the point you can make efficient biofuel out of it, even there is research going on into using only the stocks and leaves to make fuel, but again there the research is still a ways out to get it efficient enough, so for the moment corn ears are the most common efficient thing we can use.

            But did we need to start making corn ear biofuels asap? Could we have maybe spend 50 100 million on research into alternatives, many that are being worked on RIGHT NOW, give out government study grants to different universitaries etc. Would that not have been a viable and cheaper option than government corn mandates?

            Lets look at it like this government says 30%(pulling this number out of my hat) of your harvest goes into the biofuel, now think on this or go out and do some research on just how many food products core ears are used in for like maybe think on it a few minutes or goto your kitchen and pull stuff out your cupboards and take a look.

            So now the government has 30% of the national harvest of corn for biofuel, that is 30% less corn stock for your food stuffs, add to that it was not phased in, 2% 5% 10% 15% etc, something farmers could have at lest planned ahead for, or gave them simply a year or two to make available crops for the mandate. Is any of this unreasonable or illogical?

            But no we get an immdiate snatch and grab by the government, farmers are caught off guard, corn prices skyrocket, tons and tons of items in the grocery store are suddenly 30 40 50% higher than they were a few weeks ago.

            Incidently a good chunk of our national corn is exported overseas, so the global food prices skyrocket, and lets think how popular loaves of bread are for feeding people that are in poverty and etc.

            And to add insult to injury and for good measure, gas prices start to skyrocket at nearly the same time.

            SO the whole world is now hit with food prices that are now much higher, gas prices that are now much higher, causing receassions all over the world, and in the midst of all this mess our banks collapse.

            Now excluding the gas prices, all that is wholly and completely due to government intervention into the markets.

            You could go back to mega examples in the early middle 1900s of government intervention into markets has done little or nothing good for the common man on the street. You could probably go back further and find examples.

        • http://www.grreatproducts.com bud

          Yes Duncan I can tell you are a liberal. However, you left off several of your qualities, like stupidity, moronic, marxist, and lazy. You probably still live your mom.

        • http://hubscher1@earthlink.net bob hubscher

          Dear
          duncan, i have never attacked an individual on this site but by god you will be my first victim.I have never read a comment that was So void of anything meaningful that I was almost at a loss. I had to go back to reread it again because it was so meaningless that I had a hard time bringing to to mind . If you hate FOX news so much and you love all of those countries you mentioned, First why don’t you turn off your TV or at least move to another channel and two, why don’t you LEAVE THIS COUNTRY and go to one of those countries that you think are so swell. If their countries are so swell why are all of their people looking for ways to come here both legally and illegally? I do not see masses of people here looking to leave. .Duncan my boy why don’t you lead the way.Finally I proudly shop at Walmart. Walmart and McDonalds have supplied most of the job numbers that the Odumbdumb administration trys to point to.after bashing them during his campaign. Duncan he is about as stupid as you appear to be.

      • Mike Austin,TX

        Well said!

      • SiliconDoc

        Well, glad 1.5 million with lawyer backed freaks didn’t get to extort dollars from every Wal Mart shopper in the world for decades to come.
        I am really sick of all this opportunistic exploitation – it’s going on in every segment of our society, and no group or segment or class is anywhere near innocent. It’s one giant take advantage of the trough party – from welfare to warfare to corporatefare to shippingfare to campaigns to radio to very thing there is – and now it’s takeover time for 15% more of the economy with healthcare usurping and trying to imagine the exploitation and corruption that will rise from that in the greatest and ugliest beast form we’ve ever seen is disturbing beyond the moral or normal.
        I really appreciate the one victory from the court, although I suspect they just “couldn’t do it to the poor shoppers” and of course the 5 billionaire children have immense clout I don’t believe for an instant the court decided it based upon sound US Constitutional principles.
        We just “lucked out” since the gigantic swatch of yelping power activists clicks pushing and shoving and vying for position wound up in the consumer’s lap.
        Yeah, we got lucky.
        As cynical as that sounds it’s like a happy victory since all else seems to be bad and worse – last prior was that DC gun rights victory and that took a big shot former police officer to even get that donev – otherwise citizen joe and jane would have been toast on that one.
        Yeah, don’t trust them at all anymore – do not trust that government not one bit anymore it’s really sad.

    • Bleh

      Spoken like a true moron without a clue.

      • Andy

        You certinaly are.

      • JC in SC

        Speaking of morons, have you looked in the mirror lately? Oh, wait! It would probably shatter.

    • wandamurline

      The lawsuit against WalMart was initiated because WalMart refuses to allow the unions in…they are union free and the union thugs can’t stand it. I am proud to say that I am from Texas, and Gov. Perry just signed tort reform here where if you lose, you pay….in other words, if you file a frivilous law suit and you go to court and you lose, then you pay for all the defendants court costs and whatever else the judge decides you have to pay. This will relieve the insurance companies who have been held captive to lawyers for years…lawyers have been filing frivilous lawsuits because they know it is cheaper for the insurance companies to settle out of court because even if the insurance companies win, the plaintiffs do not have to pay the bill…well, now the insurance companies can go to court because they know now if they win in court, the plaintiffs and the attorneys who filed the lawsuit will be held accountable for all their expenses regarding the suit. You can imagine how the lawyers howled…it is a win/win for people and businesses that were being sued for absolutely nothing, but would settle because of the costs of having your day in court. Thank you Texas Senate, Congress and Gov. Perry. Am surprised that this was not on the news, but then again…we don’t get any real news from the alphabet news medias anymore.

      • bp

        Thank you! That puts it in perspective. And the country should follow like Texas’ lead.

        • bp

          My bad. The country SHOULD

          • bp

            follow TEXAS’ lead. And ALASKA, too!

      • Dan az

        wandamurline
        The same goes for Arizona Loser pays all cost!I didn’t catch where this took place or who initiated it but it would not surprise me if it were kalifornicator.If they would put the same thing on there ballot we all would not have had so many absurd laws that we have now.This is got to be how such a small minority can rule the majority.

        • Mary Kay Andrews

          dan in AZ

          Kalifornicator!!??? Oh, my gosh! That was too funny. Now I have to clean my computer screen!

          • bp

            MaryKayAndrews: Relax, it was the name of a movie. Believe it.

      • Don

        Good for Texas, i wish Alaska would follow, the reason Sarah Palin quit was because false ethics charges were brought against her while Governor ( no doubt a liberal plant ) and was costing the State a fortune, so she quit!!!

      • Ellen

        Before becoming president, Obama tried very hard to get Walmart workers to unionize. Fortunately, he failed. I’m going to sound rude now, but here goes. I rarely shop at Walmart because the employees are rude and can barely speak. A few are Hispanic and haven’t quite learned English, but most are black and have ridiculously poor grammar. These people, male or female, can never be promoted until they learn to communicate. If they could speak, they would probably have better jobs already as customer service reps. Walmart is not to blame for their positions in life.

        • Kate8

          Ellen – In my very few experiences with Walmart (we don’t have one here…yet), I had much the same experiences. The employees were, if not rude, completely disinterested, and obviously illiterate.

          The BBS continues to creep ever closer to my town, and I find it horrifying when I also note the caliber of people who have moved here in recent years…a perfect match for Walmart. (Good God, what has happened to our people.)

          That aside, Walmart scares me. Our family-owned stores are closing, and Walmart is spreading. Think about it. One-stop shopping, for all of your made-in-China goods and GMO foods. Soon it will be ALL you can buy, because they will be the only game in town.

          This will be the “company store”, where everyone must go. The perfect answer to insure that we don’t have choices.

          • independant thinker

            If you compare Wallyworld, Target, Kmart, and any other big box stores around Wally world is not cheaper. They might be cheaper on the smiley face bargins for a couple of weeks but overall their prices are compareable to other big box stores.

            When Wallyworld goes into the smaller towns they, like you said Kate8, drive the localy owned businesses out and you have no choice but to either shop Wallyworld or drive up to an hour to the larger town down the road that still has some locally owned stores to shop.

            As far as the lawsuit goes I think both courts blew it. I worked for another major retailer for many years and can tell you different regional divisions in a large company can have very different attitudes towards the employees. In fact this can even occur on the district level. So, This quite possibly should have been allowed as a class action lawsuit but in a limited area perhaps the western region of Wallyworld or even a two or three state area but not nationwide.

          • eddie47d

            The author says this is the way it has to be. If Walmart takes over a town it must be accepted and that is the way capitalism works. Which isn’t all bad but look at all the stores that have closed because of their “progress”.Some big box stores are friendly and some you can’t find anyone to help you.I do get a chuckle out of TV lawyers who promise you the moon and are only looking out for their new Mercedes.

          • Kate8

            My issue isn’t with Walmart hiring or employment practices (except that they seem to scrape the bottom of the barrel), but with the way they are being used as another way to control us and what we can purchase.

            Every corporation that succeeds gets swallowed up by the world corporate controllers. Everything is being merged into centrally owned mega-providers. It’s all about control.

          • SJvet

            Wal-Mart started out by opening stores in little towns that other chains, such as K-Mart, thought were too small. They had success and grew. Everyone has the option of not shopping there if he of she so desires, and the workers have the option of quitting. There must be something there that’s worthwhile, both to customers and employees, or the company wouldn’t be so overwhelmingly successful.

          • KM

            To Kate8 and Ellen,
            You made broad, sweeping generalizations about WalMart employees. At the local WM SuperCenter where I shop, that is not the case at all. I know some of the employees and they are helpful. When Sam Walton founded WM he gave employees an interest in the store(s) and made many people millionaires. If WalMart does cause some small businesses in a community to close their doors, which does happen, it is competition. That is life.

          • Kinetic1

            Kate8,
            WOW, we have found a point of agreement! I have worked with people who came from positions high up in Walmart and they have outlined how Walmart uses credit reports to target small businesses for closing. In one case I know of they chose to open an expanded knitting department, taking business away from a local shop and forcing it to close. And once that little store was gone, Walmart closed the knitting department and suggested their customers visit another location an hour away.

            People don’t seem to understand the damage Walmart does to a community. Some folks would suggest that the small yarn shop just reopen to fill the need Walmart left, but those folks lost everything! They can’t just “re-open”, so their customers are now screwed. Cities give them huge tax breaks and spend tens to hundreds of thousands tax dollars on street lights and off ramps to accommodate their new stores. In the mean time, their are towns like Winchester Virginia where they had a wonderful down town, totally renovated and turned into a community center, until Walmart built TWO stores, one on either side of town. Now their downtown sits almost empty.

            Next time you hear that Walmart is looking to come to your town, FIGHT! I’ve lived in two counties now where we have managed to keep them away and we’re all the better for it.

        • Caroline

          I totally agree — Walmart is not cheap (except for it’s quality). You can get better prices elsewhere if you shop sales wisely. Also, they are putting the small business out of business and give poor quality service. I prefer to go to small specialty stores and get better quality with better service (and not get my car swiped by carelessly placed shopping carts). Many people do not realize that Walmart products are “made for Walmart” and that is why they can charge the prices they do — the companies make the products to Walmart’s (lower-quality) specifications and sell in large lots. You buy the same name brands but they do not last as long (clothes wear out quicker, electronics break sooner, etc.). I avoid Walmart like the plague.

      • Gigagnat

        You can probably expect now for the feds to come in and sue Texas.
        When are we ALL going to wake up to what is happening? Capitalism
        works because it puts the responsibility on the individual where it
        belongs. The only alternative is for fat-cat beaurocrats to call the
        shots and to line their own pockets with the profits of businesses.
        The beauty of capitalism is that it balances the greed of the
        producer (wanting the most for his product) with the greed of the
        buyer (wanting to pay as little as possible). The end result is products that people want at the lowest possible price. “Jobs” is a product of the producer too. Wages will go up until enough people want
        to work for him. If he doesn’t pay enough, they will go elsewhere to work. Capitalism works, people. What has screwed it up is unwarranted
        government intrusion. That is why so many jobs have gone outside the
        country.

        • DaveH

          Someone who gets it.

          • Al B Tross

            If that contradiction laden argument passes your test for good work, from someone who “gets it”, you are truly a perfect example of Cognitive Dissonance Syndrome.
            Lets break this down…
            First, Capitalism puts the responsibility on the individual, but you fail to note that it diffuses it away from the corporation. Your argument fails on it’s first assertion. You argue that Corporations are equal to individuals, they are not!
            To make this assertion is to step over to the side of Fascist Tyranny, Do you consider yourself a Fascist?

            “The only alternative is for fat-cat beaurocrats to call the 
shots and to line their own pockets with the profits of businesses.
”

            Whom do you think runs these Corporations? fat cat bureaucrats, whom now are the only ones left with cash to run for Gov’t offices, where they then change legislation to favor business over the people. So the very bureaucrats you fear are the same that you praise. This strategy is detailed in the Powell memos, which called for more Corporate influence and infiltration of Gov’t, strictly for Corporate business interests.

            ” Capitalism works, people. What has screwed it up is unwarranted 
government intrusion. That is why so many jobs have gone outside the 
country.”
            Then why did GM move it’s factories to Mexico after posting one of the most profitable years in history? Cheap labor, easily exploited by a fascist Gov’t. It sold out the American worker, all the while exploiting it’s American image to sell their cars. How patriotic.

            Your overall argument is ignorant, naive at best. It overlooks the history of the United States labor movement, from the need to control the robber-barons of the Industrial revolution, to the war-profiteering Military industrial Complex( whose profits were paid by the American taxpayer= socialism!), to todays’ multi-national banks getting bailouts from the politicians they paid to de-regulate the industry allowing it to need bailing out in the first place!.

            But then , it has been proven that those suffering from Cognitive Dissonance, are prone to lean the strongest to the Right Wing and Authoritarian ideology, facts, science and mathematics not withstanding.

          • DaveH

            He said all that, Al?
            Why is it that you must put words in Gigagnat’s mouth if your argument is so logical?
            I find your treatise to be obtuse to say the least. it is full of fallacious assertions, conjecture, and double-speak.
            You must be one of those bureaucrats that Gigagnat speaks of.

          • DaveH

            And “the need to control the robber-barons of the Industrial revolution”?
            Robber barons? You mean those people who scraped together the funds to invest in capital equipment to produce goods and then gave ungrateful Unionists a chance to earn a living, only to have those same Unionists turn on them and coercively extract more than they were worth? How can I say “more than they were worth”? Because there were always good people waiting in the wings for the chance to work for the wages that Unionists arrogantly spurned. And those people had every bit as much right to seek that employment as any Unionist.
            What was keeping the Unionists from pooling their money and starting their own competing companies? Instead of investing your money in the capital equipment of six-packs, you could have become valuable productive members of society. But then, that requires a lot more effort than ganging up on people, doesn’t it?

        • http://certus-certusblogspot.com RAYMOND HARBIN

          IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 999% CORRECT GIGA– COULD EASILY BE 1100% FACT!

        • herman hootenholler

          a/k/a “enlightened despotism” is the basis of capitalisms’competing greed…greed is good…greed works, as long as it isn’t overpowered by corruption. this is where proper regulation comes in.

          • herman hootenholler

            i meant “enlightened self-interest”.

      • JeffH

        wandamurline “The lawsuit against WalMart was initiated because WalMart refuses to allow the unions in…”

        Just a small correction to that…the “employees” of WalMart won’t allow the union in their work place. Ultimately, the employees always has the final say in the organizing process…they either accept or reject the union’s attempt to represent and bargain for them.

        It’s only natural for a company or corporation to fight the union organizing.

        • ron

          The lawsuit had nothing to do with unions and the court despite their corporate leaning did not rule out individual lawsuits. The union angle must have come from Fixed News. The court just made it easier for Walmart to fight. They can easily out spend an individual. WalMart has avoided unions this long and will continue to do so. I have no problem with Wal Mart. I do not shop there and it works fine for me. I am a proud union member. I pay taxes, vote, and own property. I like most middle class/working poor most likely paid more taxes than Exxon last year.

      • Ronald A.

        WAY TO GO TEXAS!!!! YEHAA!!! GOOD JOB!!!

      • Buckeye

        You belong in Texas with all of the other SCABS and criminals {BUSH FAMILY} We can all rejoice in the Word that God hates a liar and it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to go to Heaven. AMEN

        • Ernie S

          1. The rich get richer, and the poor get children. Old Song.
          2. I’ve been “had” by the union. Will never work in a union shop again, unless extremely desperet.(OK,, I’m bad speller.)The union attitude semed to be, We want more, and how you afford it is “your problem”. In a small shop it means closing the doors. I’ve seen it several times in Detroit Mich.. The shop needs to make a profit, It’s not there to give you a job. Investors need to make money or they don’t invest. No investors, no compny. Just a fact. Even I know that,
          3. As for Big Wallie, The emploies at my local store seem to rum the gontlet. Good, Bad,and Indifferent, I have friends that work there. The opinion seens to be, some of the younger emplioes seem to feel the store “owes them a living”. After all they have rights.Tought to them when in school. Point the finger where it belongs on this point. In fact you’ll see it at almos any store.

          • Average Joe

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          • Kinetic1

            Thanks joe,
            It’s a fun exercise, but I think a simple spell check program is worth the cost. Proofreading helps as well. In these days of texting and almost instant e-mail we seem to be growing too impatient to write a decent letter. It’s a shame. I’d hate to see the English language degraded to the point of a high school kid’s tweet. I correct my children’s speech regularly in an attempt to undo the damage caused by exposure to other children, and now I find myself doing the same for my wife and, at times myself. Accurate communication is too important to ignore, even if it’s just a conversation on a website.

        • Pat

          I’d move to Texas with all the ‘scabs’ and ‘criminals in a heartbeat if I could! It sure beats living in New Jersey where taxes and corruption are staggering. Every Walmart employee has the option of using the two magic words…and their ‘freedom’ is assured!

      • SiliconDoc

        Yes thank you for the news!

        ” Thank you Texas Senate, Congress and Gov. Perry. Am surprised that this was not on the news, but then again…we don’t get any real news from the alphabet news medias anymore.”

        Yeah you know one more victory maybe it’s not quite as bad as I posted but this covering up for these victories we get from the DASTARDLY MSM is really going to crush us all if we don’t find some way to combat it a lot more.
        I have been hoping a super rich mega conservative makes a huge TV news network then just comes down so hard right with it all that Foxnews looks like Al Franken.
        Man where the heck is the super billionaire conservative when you need them ?
        I just do NOT believe the demos anymore that republicans are super rich and have money – I don’t believe they really exist.

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      …and your comment spoken like a true idiot. If you don’t like this country and the economic platform of its foundation, I will buy you a one way ticket to any other country of your choosing. My only requirement is that you STAY there…permanently. OH, and it would be nice if you take all your like minded colleagues and friends too.

      • bp

        Don’t make me come over there: Nice moniker.

    • bp

      Kinetic1: Excuse me?! Are we reading the same article? Who are you? If this doesn’t speak to any good sense you may have, nothing will. And no one is forcing you to live in the U.S.A., either. You are FREE to move; most countries accept American passports.

    • DaveH

      Are you talking to yourself, Kinetic?

    • Average Joe

      Kinetic1 says,
      Wow, such a profound statement…Did you come up with that all by youself….or did you have help?

      We get it Kinetic…you don’t get it…plain and simple…and no matter what we say to you….you still won’t get it….enjoy your delusions of granduer and complete knowledge of how the universe works in it’s entirety. You are a legend in your own mind….but nowhere else……

      You live and learn. At any rate, you live.

    • Push comes to shove

      Kinetic1 says:
      June 28, 2011 at 3:42 am
      Spoken like a true robber baron.

      The only robber barons are the morons (aka Lawyers) that try to bring these types of lawsuits in this day and age. Do you not think with all the litigation that goes on with Wal-Mart over the past 3-4 decades that they have not taken all the necessary steps to make sure people are treated respectfully and equally.

      Mr. Ringer gave statistics for the number of people wal-mart employs, but i bet that does not count the people that have jobs in relation to them constructing new stores, and converting old stores with a GREEN retrofits. BET YOU DIDN’T EVEN CONSIDER THAT did you?

      Apparently you support the robber baron lawyers, union thugs, government beauracracy!!

      • Ernie S

        Push, You should have nentioned lawers, unions and politions. Bedfellows at best. But as the origional artical statement. Lawers are probably the BIGGEST problem. They cause prices to go up because of high libility costs. Especially hospitels. And I’d bet a law ferm started the action to make a buck.

    • LibRep

      Obviously you are not an employer.

      • eddie47d

        Even in today’s world most CEOs ARE Robber Barons.Some truly are generous to their employees yet some are only generous to themselves.

    • Penny R. Freeman

      It’s obvious which side of this issue you favor. You’d better get your panties out of a wad and learn what built America and made her the greatest and most properous nation ever in the history of mankind. A better suggestion if you are so in favor of Marxism/communism/socialism (call it by whatever name you choose) take the time to read “Atlas Shrugged” by Ayn Rand. It was written in 1957 but could very easily be the story of America’s future if we allow our leaders to force us to continue down the path they’ve laid before us in the last few years. And if you’re so attune to social justice, etc. then you truly need to acquaint yourself with the founding documents of this country-the Declaration of Independence and the Constituion. The Constitution paints a very clear picture of government’s true role in our lives, one which those who have sworn to uphold and defend those principles have chosen to ignore. Because our leaders have ignored the principles of liberty and limited government we have steadily been losing our personal freedoms over time. No I don’t like and never will work for a labor union. And just like stated in the article a person can choose to work for any employer willing to hire him/her. Or turn down an offer of employment if the terms are not acceptable. When I had very little work experience I worked for Wal-Mart. I knew what I was walking into when I accepted the job. Over time I moved on to other employment and earned a Bachelor’s degree which gave me even more opportunities for better employment. Do you know of any other country that is that open and offers that kind of opportunity to anyone willing to work for it? You can argue that European countries do, but then you need to look at how totally labor unions have taken those countries over and not only destroyed the economies of those countries but given their peoples next to no opportunity for a better future. Liberty is ours to take back from the hands of the legislators who are destroying them. If you don’t believe capitalism is a good thing then move on to a country and live for a while under communism or socialism. You’ll be screaming to gain back your freedoms in very short order. All you have to do to see the difference freedom and free enterprise can make is to compare North Korea to South Korea. The north still struggling under communism is an impoverished nation. The south is a nation that has greatly benefitted from a free market. If you haven’t yet realized that I guess you’ve never seen the ads for Korean airlines. Is there that type of capitalism in the north? No. Who do you think give people jobs and opportunities? The same people you choose to call robber barons. If that’s so distasteful to you why don’t you become your own boss and start your own business. One more opportunity not readily available in most countries around the world. Grow up Kinetic1 and educate yourself on American history and the truth about other forms of government and the struggles of the people who live in those countries. You might want to read everything you can find about Berlin after WWII and the people in East Berlin who lived under communism and were willing to die in their attempt to gain freedom by getting over the fence that divided east Berlin from west Berlin. If you choose to be ignorant of the way things are in this world and want to whine about how unfair life is, you are the person limiting your opportunity for a better future not your employer or this society. But you will be one of the people the future generations will blame if you join in with our current leaders in their efforts to gain government control of every aspect of our lives and thereby destroy our personal freedoms.

      • eddie47d

        A very thoughtful and well written comment Penny and the opposite of “voids” racist rant below you. He proves why the battle continues.

      • Ernie S

        Penney, Have you read The Anamel Farm? Read it in the 50′s. Short book, but to the point. We are lied to, cheated and manovered, etc. every day.Hard to tell what the truth is. The coments in these “Replies” are probably the closest to the truth (right or wrong)you’l find today. Sad isn’t it?

      • Kinetic1

        Penny,
        I chose not to comment on the WalMart case and I suppose I left the door open for assumption. I’m not a fan of WalMart, and I do know a thing or two about their practices, but even so it was a big leap to assume that you could group all these women together for one law suit.

        That having been said, I used to live near a company town. It began as a lumber town in the 1880s and over the years grew into a thriving town where, as in most company towns every aspect of life was owned and controlled by the company. Fortunately this lumber company was owned by a family who valued their workers and the forrest. They balanced their need for profit with sustainable harvesting practices. There was little need for government intrusion as they would never think of not replanting after cutting. The land was their source. They paid their workers a fair wage and improved the town to keep them there. The workers were there means. Of course they could have made more if they just cut as much as they could and paid as little as they could, but that was not their way. They were the example of Capitalism that is suggested in this article. Unfortunately, as with many companies like this a multi-national saw the profit to be made, forced a buy out and began working every penny they could out of the company. I don’t think I need to tell you what happened to the town.

        An idea that was often espoused by G.W. Bush is that a company will do what is best for the customer as it is in their own best interest, leaving Government involvement both unnecessary and unproductive. It sounds good, but as we have all seen it is, these days more often the exception than the rule. Car and tire companies allow dangerous vehicles on the road since paying off a few victims is cheaper than fixing the problem. Food and drug companies do the same. In the past companies turned to child labor to keep wages down. Children, instead of receiving an education were working as grease monkeys or doing other, often dangerous work. Adults who needed to make a living wage to survive were shut out if they refused to work for the same meager wages as children. Was that an example of the perfect balance? Companies ignored health and safety concerns leading to sickness or death as in the Triangle Factory fire. Was that another example of capitalism in balance? Maybe those women should have quit? Maybe they should have taken a better job at one of the other factories that treated workers the same? With money comes power, and it’s the corporations that have the money.

        My simple, one line comment was directed more at the writer’s argument that Democracy creates a perfect balance where all are free to do as they will. Using WalMart as a case in point, I am not free to shop where I choose if WalMart is the only store in town. If I am living in an area where there was once a wide variety of small businesses to work for, but it now has little more than the “opportunities” provided by WalMart, I may have little choice but to work for them. When a company grows unfettered and reaches the size and scope of WalMart, we begin to loose freedoms, not gain them.

      • Kinetic1

        By the by Penny, Ayn Rand the rugged individualist spent her later years living on Social Security and Medicare, so you’ll excuse me if I don’t give her work much weight.

    • Void1972

      Robert
      Great post!
      It’s refreshing to hear the facts and truth we receive on this site, compared to the lies we get everyday from our media, news, universities and magazines. I watched a special months ago on the unionization of Walmart. It was very interesting to see the amount of “African Americans” that were behind this demented scam.
      I know that the black man is the new communist in America, but wish they would educate themselves for a few more generations before joining with such a corrupt organization.
      If the commies ever get real power in America, the Blacks will be the first to perish, along with the Lawyers, Judges, CEOs and millions of the freaks that fought for communism.
      History will repeat itself, as in Russia and China.
      So idiots, be careful what you wish for and fight for, for one day you might receive it.
      God Bless America, and those who fight for her!!!!

      • bp

        Void1972: If history repeats, where will we go? There is no other U.S.A.

        • Ernie S

          Rome fell. They became lazy and dependent on the government for everything. Does it sound like us?

    • s griffen

      Like the article says “shop with your feet” likewise relocate to China, Cuba, Venezuela or Russia with your body!!

    • FreedomFighter

      Marxism is a social disease, a govermental parasite that saps the life and vitality out of a nation.

      Even if capitolism is not perfect, its a far cry better than being numbed by lies and sucked dry by the parasitic disease of Marxism.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

    • Retiredarmyman

      You sir, Would not know a robber baron if it walked up slapped your face and stole your girl(guy) in front of all your so called friends.

    • kenholtz

      Spoken like a true fool

    • mrsgengiskhan

      when a poor person gives me a job, your robber baron mentality may have some merit. (NOT)
      why is almost every city/town council that has to approve a walmart to be built, vote against walmart ? meanwhile, private citizens continue to shop at walmart, keeping walmart in business.
      why are people attracted to shop at walmart, women slavery ?

  • Richard Barrow

    this is AMERICA,,,IF YOU DON’T LIKE WORKING SOMEPLACE,,,GET ANOTHER JOB, OR GET SOME EDUCTION AND THEN GET ANOTHER JOB.

    SO FAR THERE IS NO COMMISSAR TO TELL YOU WHERE TO GO, AND WHICH JOB YOU NEED TO DO. GIVE THEM TWO WEEKS NOTICE AND LEAVE.

    • Matt

      Right on the money!!
      Nobody is forcing these women to stay/work at Walmart.
      I hardly think these women are slaves if you read the definition of what slavery means:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery

      • bp

        Matt: You’re missing the point. “Slavery” in the title is ironic.

    • bp

      Richard: Actually, that’s not true. The Department of Families requires working mothers who receive assistance to take ANY job offered & they can’t quit. Same rules apply to child-care; no choice. We need to fire our government & hit the “restart” button.

    • Crystal

      Thank you. I watched a few people protesting a restaurant they work for. Go get another job.

    • Ernie S

      To several of you out there. I read an e-mail about a speech Bill Gates made at a high school. His opening statement was ” Life isnt fair, get over it.” In short he said that the younger generation is taught “rights”. Responsibility & respect arn’t. When they tern 18 the world DOSN’T CARE about there RIGHTS. And they arn’t prepaird to face the “real world.
      I fear tha a lot of the younger generation is still trying ti figurn it out. I’m over 60. I had to earn any respect, or jobs I got.

  • TONY D

    Your tone would be entirely different if you were a womam, and had been subjected to Walmarts discriminatory practices.

    • DeeFayette

      If you’re a woman at Walmart and you believe you are being treated unfairly, quit! If all the women quit, that would send a louder message than lawyers. If you stay on the job you then become your own victim, not a victim of Walmart’s policy. If a person is truly worth what they think they’re worth, they will have no problem finding the job that pays them that amount. The problem with this country is that too many busy-bodies wants to control others according to in their own desires, using the force of government that employs mafia tactics to enforce its overbearing laws.

      If the lawyers think they have a better plan for how Walmart should conduct its business, they should form there own chain of discount stores to operate according to their business model, not for Walmart to change. The competition would be a GOOD thing. Compete, don’t control.

      • karolyn

        You just don’t have a clue! Oh, yeah, just quit and get another job. Right! It is soooooo easy to get a job these days. Men should absolutely NOT be treated better than women at WalMart! This is a travesty. The only way companies like WalMart will change is if they’re hit in the pocketbook.

        • Average Joe

          karolyn,
          Please read my comment below. As a former Wal Mart employee I have a bit of insight on the matter of discrimination within the ranks of Wal Mart. It is easy to sit on the outside looking in and make assumptions…..being on the inside can change your view entirely.

          • Ernie S

            I agree. But maybe it’s the local managnent. The store my friends (women & men) say they ARE treated fairly. Try finding out yourself. Might be suprised. Try several stores. We have several within a 10 mile radius of us. That I have shopped at,

          • Average Joe

            Ernie S,
            I have never worked in a “store”, I worked in a distribution center (warehouse), so I can’t really comment on store policies other than to say with few exceptions the rules are pretty much the same, but you are correct management and their demeanor can make a huge difference in the way people “see” their jobs as being rewarding or a nightmare.Of course that is pretty much the same in any job.

    • BOSSLADY

      THAT IS A BUNCH OF BULL. WHERE HAVE I EVER SEEN MORE GOOF-OFFS OF WOMEN THAN AT WALMART. THOSE GOT WHAT THEY DESERVED, NOTHING. AND BY THE WAY, MEN, DON’T GET COCKY, THERE’S AS MANY GOOF-OFFS IN MEN AT WALMART AS THERE ARE WOMEN. I AGREE PAY SHOULD BE THE SAME IF WOMEN ARE DOING THE SAME JOB. IT’S THAT WAY ANY WHERE YOU WORK. SUCK IT UP OR FIND SOMEWHERE ELSE TO WORK. EACH PERSON HAS A CHOICE. THERE AREN’T MANY JOBS WHERE OLDER PEOPLE CAN GO AND GET A JOB AS AT WALMART. IT IS A KNOWN FACT HALF THE PEOPLE WENT TO WORK THERE FOR THE INSURANCE BENEFITS. NOT MANY JOBS CAN BE FOUND NOW-A-DAYS. GO TO WORK AND BE GRATEFUL THAT YOU EVEN HAVE A JOB TO GO TO. SO MANY WOULD LIKE TO BE IN YOUR SHOES.

      • Dagney

        Please turn OFF the Caps-Lock. If, that is, you want people to read your posts.

        • Harold

          Be cool on the CAPS-LOCK THING, IT’S EASIER TO READ

          • Ernie S

            Agree, Cap lock jus maks it all the same. SHOUTING dosn’t prove a thing. It should be used only to emphise a word, or two. Also, all caps make it harder to read .

        • Average Joe

          Dagney,
          Bare in mind that not everyone knows the ins and outs of internet etiquette…and the some people can’t see as well as others for a multitude of reasons….I try to be understanding and over look such lapses….unless I know that the intent is to shout at others….just an observation :)

          • independant thinker

            I almost never read more than the first line or two (if that much) of a post written in all CAPS they are just to damn hard to read.

      • Think about it

        Father & Daughter Talk

        A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be very liberal, and among other liberal ideals, was very much in favor of higher taxes to support more government programs, in other words redistribution of wealth.

        She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch conservative, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.

        One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the need for more government programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school.

        Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn’t even have time for a boyfriend, and didn’t really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.
        Her father listened and then asked, “How is your friend Audrey doing? She replied, Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus; college for her is a blast. She’s always invited to all the parties and lots of times she doesn’t even show up for classes because she’s too hung over.

        Her wise father asked his daughter, Why don’t you go to the Dean’s office and ask him to deduct 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA.

        The daughter, visibly shocked by her father’s suggestion, angrily fired back, “That’s a crazy idea, how would that be fair! I’ve worked really hard for my grades! I’ve invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!

        The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, Welcome to the conservative side of the fence.

        • DaveH
          • Think about it

            Wow, the future is not looking good, and they vote, thier eyes are open but they just can’t see.

          • Think about it

            How can they not see it, or hear it, as there SPEAKING, it just blows my mind, I’m willing to give you half of my hard earned money, but i will not split my grade’s with you, because i worked to hard for them, Well guess what kid’s you will be giving them half of your hard earned money, because there are lazy azz people kickin back on vacation 365/24/7 and sayin, look at that dumb azz, willing to work so hard in school and then go get a job so they can help take care of me, WOW

          • http://personalliberty.com Matt

            There is nothing new under the sun! Isn’t it amazing that acadamians only understand there little corner of the world, but can’t equate it to the rest of the world? The higher the academic degree the lower the degree of common sense.

        • bp

          Thinkaboutit: Thank you!! LOVE it!

        • Dons621

          Great post. She will have to learn the “WALK” now that she has learned the “TALK”

        • Ernie S

          I’ve heard & read several e-mails with same results, and I for one agree. IF most of our wages are taken to feed the poor. How some THEY are thr ones that can buy the T bones & Ruibeyes & Lobsters (on there welfair card), and I get buy with Chuck weiners or HB. . 200+ pounds of starving person. Must be tough on them. I admit. There are people out there that meed & “deserve” help. But I feel there are a lot of them that “sucker” the wellment system. I live on SS, that I paid into all my lif. And they live much better than I do. Is that fair?
          “The meek shal inharet the earth”? Hell, They are taking it now.

      • DaveH

        The problem with equal pay for equal work is “who decides what is equal?”.
        Pay rates should be left entirely to the Employer (whose money it is) and the employee (who can choose not to work there).

    • Justasayin’

      a “womam”…really? Do you really expect to be taken seriously? I now own my own business, but have been in the workplace for the last 30+ years. Long before there were laws to protect us, we put up with unwelcome advances, unequal pay and job promotions going to the good ol’ boys golfing buddies. If we were to suceed, we had to be that much better.
      Now some bimbo who can’t even spell the gender, and I suspect, hits her male boss with three weeks of every four with some mysterious “female” malady, sick kids, pet problems, shows up late, has to leave early, stands around complaining about her job, because she would rather be “anywhere else” …and just try getting her off of her cell phone, to stop texting, tweeting and checking her facebook…and boom you are being sued.
      I have been a serious working woman…don’t BS me. If you are a decent emplyee these days, you get treated like it…if not, I guess you find a lawyer.

      • karolyn

        “Now some bimbo who can’t even spell the gender, and I suspect, hits her male boss with three weeks of every four with some mysterious “female” malady, sick kids, pet problems, shows up late, has to leave early, stands around complaining about her job, because she would rather be “anywhere else” …and just try getting her off of her cell phone, to stop texting, tweeting and checking her facebook…and boom you are being sued.”

        Talk about sweeping generalizations! The fact is men are promoted before women, despite the same qualitifcations and work ethic. Yes, that is reason for a lawsuit.

        • http://personalliberty.com Matt

          Karolyn, have you ever been to the Pittsburg, California Walmart where this whole business started? I have, and I can tell you that it doesn’t take an extremely high calibre of employee to advance in that particular store. The downside is that a high calibre of employee at that Walmart is a rarity. What is not rare at that same Walmart is the entitled individual, whether it be the employee or the customer. Everybody in that part of town “knows their rights”, but relatively few can acknowledge their responsibilities. (Kind of a systemic problem throughout the entire Bay area) Personally I have made the choice to drive the extra 10 miles to shop at the Antioch Walmart to avoid the classless, thankless employees I have encountered in Pittsburg. I can’t get in and out of that store with a simple purchase, because of the personal problems that so many of their employees bring to work with them, and can’t stop dealing with long enough to be an effective employee.

          The free market is a great thing, and it isn’t a one way street.

          • Kate8

            Leave it to karolyn to buy into the victim mentality and spout liberal talking points.

            You still haven’t figured out that those who are arriving on the scene with “solutions” are the same ones who are causing the problems. And it’s so easy when there are plenty of people, like you, who listen to them.

        • Harold

          WOMEN SHOULD BE PAID THE SAME -IF- SHE HAS THE SAME ABILITIES AND WORK ETHIC!

    • http://personalliberty.com David

      Where is your proof that discrimination has pervaded Wal Mart? It seems that you are either a lawyer or close to one, you know, the ones who really make it big with these lawsuits, not the litigant. The Supreme Court ruled appropriately in view of the fact that the more people who heard of this class action jumped on the bandwagon to get free money. This is what is wrong today. Tort reform is needed or else all of us will suffer and pay for the robbery that goes on every day when someone sees a chance to commit legal robbery, hire the equivalent of an ambulance chasing lawyer and go for the gold. Wake up!

    • Jeryl

      I worked for Sam’s Club (a Walmart Enterprise) for three years. The women were paid the same and promoted the same as men. There may be stores where that’s not true due to a particular manager, etc., however it is normally true. Walmart hires a lot of people who are poorly educated and gives them a decent pay check. Most of the people who are complaining want more than they deserve for their educational level or performance level. They ought to be happy they have a job and stop expecting entitlements. If that’s what they want, let them go to work for the government.

      • DaveH

        Please don’t send them to the Government, Jeryl, we have enough doofusses running our lives already.

    • Debbie

      Not true. These women suffer from the same sickness many other people suffer in this country…..”victimism”. They feel sorry for themselves and blame their demise on whomever they can seek compensation from instead of applying themselves and working their way up. If these women really felt mistreated, they would not still be employed at Walmart. When their actions don’t line up with their rhetoric, they should be scrutinized. When I worked for a company that changed my commission structure that would force me to sell more and be paid less, I left that company and found a job somewhere else. It’s a no-brainer. BTW, the worse boss I ever had was a feminist. She was lazy, selfish, arrogant, and cruel; far beyond any male bosses I’ve ever had.

      • bp

        Debbie: Sounds like Bill’s Hill! LOL.

    • NancyJ

      I shop at Walmart and have talked to several women who work there.

      They, without exception, have told me that they are very glad to have the job.

      However, I live in a town where Obama’s changes have paid off well. We have 11 1/2 per cent unemployment.

    • Liberty4UnMe

      Hey, TONY! I am a woman and my reply to your comment is “BALONEY”! Women don’t need someone like you to speak up for us!

    • Carol

      The discrimination I saw was if you are an older woman with at least one year of college, they don’t hire you. I applied 3 different times and when I checked on my status, there was no record I have ever applied. And saying that they have over a million AMERICAN women working is NOT true. A lot of them don’t even speak any American English and are illegals, so they weren’t even elligible to use our court system in the first place.

      • newton

        carol
        i dont doubt the truthfulness of your experience concerning walmart. it is a vast coporation with thousands of stores where some injustices iam sure take place in all aspects of life.
        i have at times worked for a sub contractor there during store renovations and had gotten to know many employees and a few managers, i heard mostly good things about walmart. the managers that i personally talked too all claimed to have started on the bottom as part time employees and had worked their way up in just three to five years. they were earning five and six figure incomes but they said they were married to the store and that it was a high pressured enviroment. i spoke to one lady there who told me she had a huge expensive operation on her leg and walmart paid the whole thing.

    • Crystal

      Tony D, please don’t speak for women. Most of us are intelligent enough to leave when things aren’t right.

    • Retiredarmyman

      Tony D,
      Sex of the employee has ABSOLUTELY ZERO to do with wage earned/ offered/accepted. If you don’t get offered the wage you are expecting why would you take a job, unless of course you are mentally challenged?

  • karolyn

    Big business will always get away with whatever it can. Unfortunately, they do not get it that they would have better businesses if they treated their employees better. A happy employee does a better job.

    • Debbie

      And an unhappy employee can go find a job at one of those companies that have a better work environment. In all reality, it is hard to find a good employee these days. Too many are sick with the entitlement attitude. They want to do less and be paid more and anything short of that is considered bad working conditions. Please…..

      • Push comes to shove

        Absolutely correct.

        As a manager who hires employees for the company i work for i find that there are too many people, especially younger adults/graduates (used loosely), that want a honests days pay for an unhonest days work. Thier spelling, grammar, and math skills are very lacking.

        • bp

          Pushcomestoshove: So are your skills, “very lacking”.

      • karolyn

        It’s harder to find good employment, or any employment, than to find good employees these days!

        • Push comes to shove

          WRONG,

          Good employment comes from having good skills, and if you are out of work i have a novel idea, how about taking a wal-mart job to support your family or yourself instead waiting on the government dole for some high paying job or something your familiar with. THere are jobs to be had out there but most people on unemployment say it does not pay what i am used to or think they are too good for that menial job.

          Would you dig ditches to support your family? I would if it meant not taking a gov’t handout.

          • Phil

            I have ran a business for 30 years, good workers are hard to find. Most younger people can’t wait for their break to text or call someone. When my business was slow I took other jobs. Yes digging ditches,building houses, or whatever I could to feed my family and pay the bills. But that’s how my depression era parents raised all us kids. I guess after seeing bread lines when they were growing up my parents knew that the government won’t or can’t take care of everybody. So they taught us kids to be self reliant. I think the one thing this country needs most is for people to take responsibility for their own actions.

    • Doug

      Pretty obvious you never were a boss or own a business. Give and employee a raise or whatever and 20 minutes latter they are complaining again. Karolyn you should go to Cuba or China and find some work and see how that goes for you. You liberals think everyone else should work hard and get nothing why you bums sit on you butts and expect to be taken care of!

      • karolyn

        “Pretty obvious” my butt! You don’t know crap! I have had my own business and I see those businesses that treat their employees like human beings and how well they do!

        • http://personalliberty.com Matt

          Why is Walmart doing so well?

          • Retiredarmyman

            Matt,
            They are doing so well because they offer a decent wage relative to the skill set they are hiring, and they also allow their employees to buy stock in the company if they desire to do so.
            All this smoke and mirrors is just that smoke and mirrors brought about by some lazy, worthless employees talking to their crooked, and even more worthless lawyers.
            That is the real reason that the Judge ruled in favor of Wal-Mart.

    • DaveH

      And why shouldn’t they, Karolyn? It is their money. If you want to earn it from them, fine. Do they tell you how to spend your money, Karolyn?

    • Crystal

      Not necessarily. A lot of fair-treated employees still screw over the company they work for.

  • terry

    Though in theory, you are correct, in reality you are not. The current economic climate makes it very difficult to just “walk off a job”. Would you take us back to the time when little children worked ten-hour days and say “that is capitalism”. I think not. If you were one of the women working in the Wal-Mart on your feet all day with a brain and no possiblities, what would you do? Walk out? I do not believe so. And, yes, I am vowing to shop as little as humanly possible at Wal-Mart. I suggest ALL WOMEN do and Wal-Mart will be out of business – or – CHANGE.

    • DeeFayette

      The women with a brain must be lacking creativity to stay on a job where they think they are being abused. Oh, they have a doctorate degree from some liberal university…and working as a stock clerk, and feeling they are under compensated. One problem this nation has, is the entitlement mentality. I’m entitled to the job, cause they hired me, and now I can sue them because it’s not what I expected.

      If you think Walmart is treating the employees unfairly, start your own discount store chain to compete…you’d soon have all the women from Walmart working for you! Complaining, complaining, and complaining is all the liberals seem to do. Liberals just seem to love to find victims.

      Are humans really dumber than animals? The little squirrel that I see out my back door seems to be doing quite well fending for itself. Too bad more humans don’t have that type of self-reliance.

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      Hey dimwit: I work 10-12 hr days now…I am self employed…who should I sue? My customers? Get a grip!

      Idiots like you don’t seem to understand basic economics. You get what you are worth in the business world…it’s the same in the labor world. What part of this do you not understand?

      • NancyJ

        You don’t realize that Progressives believe that you are the problem.

        You are just lazy. You should work harder for your profits. (Maybe 14 to 16 hours a day and less profit) THAT WAS A JOKE!!!

      • karolyn

        No, it’s the same old crap of business wanting to get as much out of you as they can while getting away as cheaply as possible. It’s all about GREED!

        • Angel Wannabe

          karolyn > your words>> “No, it’s the same old crap of business wanting to get as much out of you as they can while getting away as cheaply as possible. It’s all about GREED!

          Hey now MS. Optimistic, so why don’t turn the negative phrase above into a positive, like you accuse us of not doing__ couldn’t you say, that you worked many hours including overtime, and made as much money as possible, so my family and I could live comfortably?_-it works both ways?!!

          • JeffH

            Hear Hear!

          • Angel Wannabe

            Jeffh, Hey there jeffy, how goes it? :)

            I haven’t been on much between Gardens, Grandkids and life in general!
            I see nothing much has changed…

          • JeffH

            Angel Wannabe, always nice to have you around…the lines have pretty much been drawn by now anyway.

          • independant thinker

            Karolin said in an earlier post she had (past tense) a business. Since she no longer has it she is just taking the anger over her failure out on sucessful businesses.

        • Retiredarmyman

          Karolyn,
          next time you go to the grocery store how about if you carry your calculator with you.
          When the clerk gets through ringing up your order, make sure that you tip her 15% of the total bill. Being as how you seem to think that business just wants to get all they can out of women employees she should be getting more money right?

          Before you start to say that sounds stupid, think about what you have been saying all along.

          A few things to consider:
          1) Business in in the business of making money.
          2) Low or no profit means no jobs because business is not in business to loose money therefore they will close.
          3) If I can work for someone else and make as much as I would running my own business, why would I put up with all the headaches of owning a business?
          4) No one forces anyone to take a job at a certain wage there is always another way.
          5) People who have an entitlement mindset will be the destruction of this country.

          I’m not saying that retired military, police, and fire fighters don’t deserve their pensions. God knows they earned it every day they went to work. But, if you don’t do something to earn your pension/ retirement pay, don’t expect it and don’t bitch about being underpaid just because you are a woman, especially if you don’t take advantage of all the schooling My taxes pay for.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Well said retiredarmyman! :)

    • Debbie

      Nothing like going to the extreme with your “working little children 10 hours a day” comment! Anyone who has to side-step common sense and go to the extreme shows the dangers of emotionalism. The only thing you said that made any sense was using your free right to shop somewhere else.

    • DaveH

      The “current economic climate” exists because people like you have forgotten the morality of voluntary associations and contracts, and have instead allowed Politicians to substitute force into our personal choices and the Marketplace.
      Decades ago the child labor issue came up, not because children were being forced to work, but because children didn’t tend to join Unions, and that interfered with the plans of the Unionists to force their way on their employers.
      Some common sense about child labor:
      http://mises.org/daily/2858

    • Crystal

      Your theory is right, but you chose the wrong time. This lawsuit started long before this economic climate. So they had a choice. Read the entire lawsuit. Check out the date it started.

  • Gregory M Fota

    Oh, yes, and let’s “forget about” the fact that 98% (may be 100% at this date) of WalMart’s products are IMPORTED from CHINA! They built HUGE superfreighters just to carry the “Made in China ” goods to the U.S.
    “ALWAYS THE CHEAP PRICE!”–yes, at the expense of thousands of Made in America jobs. maybe they lost the suit, but I will NEVER buy at Wal-Mart.
    Just one of many American corporations gone crazy with GREED.

    • Babylonandon

      So don’t shop or work there, duh.

      Boycotts work if you can get enough people to agree with you. If you can’t then maybe – just maybe – you are wrong. Either way, you have the freedom to make choices for yourself. In a free society, you don’t get to make choices for other people.

      Maybe you don’t want a free society, is that it?

      • Clint

        Where’s the Freedom when a company can buy anyone in any office through campaign donations? When they can buy off local governments with promises of benefits to the community because they were bring soooo much good to your little town? Yes, look how wonderful the USA is turning out to be surrounding those beautiful Wally World stores. Not. Bringing us cheap junk that breaks in no time that we have to keep repurchasing because it is junk. Yeah, saving all kinds of money, not. They have grabbed you buy the you know what and been twisting tighter and tighter, The power they wield is larger than most people realize. They are not alone in the Corporate takeover of the nation. Who really runs the USA? or should that be RUINS it?

        • Doug

          Gee Clint it real simple elite run the country, you know the ones who are getting bags of money to make policies that effect small business owners but not the big ones. Corporation are evil you people crack me up! Like what was mentioned earlier if you union communist and liberals idiots think you can run a business then please have at start a business and lets see how you do!

        • Debbie

          Where is your criticism for the politicians that line their pockets in these deals? You extremist think it’s all one sided. How do these corporations make money? From consumers. How do politicians make their money? Ffrom tax payers and bribes. Rally people to boycott the companies and hurt their profits. Don’t look to the other part of the problem (politicians) and expect them to do something right about it. Why would they? Capitalism is not evil. It’s the greedy people that are evil. Go after them.

        • http://personalliberty.com Matt

          Clint, who is forcing you to buy junk over and over? Sounds more like symptoms of personal insanity to me.

    • BOSSLADY

      BABYLON YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING MADE IN CHINA. IT ONLY TAKES A SMALL AMOUNT OF TIME TO CK THE LABELS.. BUY AMERICAN MADE MERCHANDISE. IT ONLY TAKES ONE PERSON TO SAY I’M NOT BUYING THEIR STUFF ANYMORE. WE CAN BLAME THE POLITICIANS FOR THE NAFTA BILL. TWO YEARS AGO WHEN HERSHEY’S MOVED THEIR COMPLETE OPERATION TO MEXICO, I VOWED NEVER AGAIN TO BUY ANOTHER HERSHEY CANDY, CHOCOLATE OR ANYTHING THEY MAKE. ACTUALLY I STARTED BUYING NESTLES CHOCOLATE INSTEAD. MADE IN THE USA. IT’S JUST AS GOOD AND CHEAPER. A CHOCOLATE BAR OF NESTLE, (LIKE HERSHEY) AT SOME STORES SUCH AS $TREE IS .69 CENTS. I MAY BE ONLY ONE BUT EVERYTHING STARTS WITH ONE. WANNA MAKE IT TWO?

      • Mark

        Bosslady -
        Get your facts straight before you shoot off your mouth. Hersheys still has a factory in Hershey, PA. Good grief! You can take a tour through it, as many do. Nestle’s, on the other hand, is NOT an American company; it is Swiss owned. I wish Walmart didn’t market so many Chinese goods, but that is fully their choice to do so. My choice is to rarely shop there. You can simply choose the same.

    • Patriot

      Gregory,

      The underlying reasons these companies need to work from this model is all the manufacturing regulations, our nation has the 2nd highest corp. tax rates and all the labor with minimum wage standards. If we cut all these meaningless regulation there would become more manufacturing in this country and we would have complete employment. The answer is less government and getting back to our roots of commonsense principles and hard work! Or welcome to the total enslavement of the USA!

      • Push comes to shove

        Now thats a ‘push comes to shove’ comment

        Totally agree.

        The liberal cavement thought. ‘buusiness bad, gov’t good, where my money.

    • NancyJ

      Maybe if government eliminates the regulations that make competing almost impossible and the unions are more interested in competing and helping the companies that their workers are paid by, there wouldn’t be so many products brought in from abroad.

      It would also help if so much money wasn’t taken from employees so that the union officials could have such big salaries and money to play with.

    • Houndy

      Yes, and maybe if the unions hadn’t been so damn greedy, many of those businesses that have left the United States would still be here.

    • DaveH

      98%? I saw various figures on the web from 70 to 80 percent. Whichever are correct, what does that say about our country, when China can outprice the US even with the significant added costs of transporting the goods across 7,000 miles of ocean.
      Why are China’s goods cheaper? Most likely you will say because of slave labor. But how did they get to that point? Because, their masses saw Communism as the preferable choice to Capitalism. So, what is the solution of anti-Capitalists? They want more Socialism, less Capitalism, I guess so we can better emulate China’s slave labor conditions.
      The problems befalling this country are not the failure of Capitalism. Rather they are the failure caused by Big Government’s efforts to squash Capitalism and replace it with Government regulations and Crony-Capitalism.
      We could get or Country back to the kind of robust vibrant economy enjoyed in Hong Kong where their Government Spending as a percentage of their economic output is less than half of ours. To do that, we need to take the blinders off and face the fact that we are in this mess as a result of Big Government. How much bigger does Government need to get, and how much smaller does our economy have to get, before the citizens wake fully out of their stupor?
      The answer to our problems is to get Government out of the Marketplace, and restore the Consumer as king, instead of the self-interested Politicians who now make our choices for us.

    • bp

      GregoryMFota: Jealousy is never satisfied, either.

    • karolyn

      It’s not 98% or 100%. WalMart has been working at having more American-made/grown in their stores.

      • Crystal

        When?

        • independant thinker

          Last I heard the effort to promote American Made in Wallyworld ended with Sam Waltons death. While I did not like the company even back then Sam did try to sell and promote American made items. When he passed away the new management stopped trying to seek out and promote American made they just went for the cheapest no matter where it was made.

  • nancy shank

    When I was working in a position of being in charge I got in trouble with supervisor for telling an employee that they came there looking for a job and the last I knew that a job meant work. If they didn’t like what they had to do then they should look elsewhere.

    Now I am retired and it is someone elses problems.

  • Hal N

    Educating ‘the workers” should have begun a long time before they became employees. When you restore our educational system to being the greatest that it once was, whether public or private, you will go a long way towards healing societal and cultural problems.

    • Jeryl

      As an educator I can say a big “amen” to that! When the government started poking its nose into education and taking control out of the hands of the parents and locals, they started destroying our educational system.

    • Crystal

      You’re so right, but they’re too busy trying to teach political correctness and socializing kids than the basics. My son has a friend who admitted to me the other day that he can’t cursive write and he can’t read it either. They’re 14 years old.

  • Jennie

    I am disappointed in people who are so willing to sue their employer – even though they make double minimum wage. I am confident there are millions of people out there who would be more than happy to have those jobs . . . and there would be millions more people who would be harmed if a huge law suit against WalMart were successful. . . . funding a huge law suit would undoubtedly rasie the prices that are so favorable to customers. You’re the robber baron Kinetic1 as you would be more than pleased to see WalMart taken down because they are successful. You don’t seem to care about the people who would not hurt by high prices that a lawsuit would most likely bring.

    • karolyn

      I have yet to meet someone at WalMart making double the minumum wage. I know one woman who has worked for them for many years and had to take a pay cut when she moved south, and she is making well under double minimum wage.

  • http://www.gas2j.goxft.com Jazz

    Absolute clarity understanding Mr. Ringer’s case for liberty. But…WHAT exactly IS liberty, and to whom is it…or is it NOT afforded? I agree that, from a “robber baron” perspective it appears that his arguments are valid. They made their beds, they must sleep in it. However, the Civil Rights Amendment; the “good practices” criteria that “fair trade” for services, goods, and other accommodations rendered may beg to differ. Slaves…had no recourse, because the system in place did not allow them to have other options. I would beg to differ with Mr. Ringer in that anyone arriving on this soil, and without resulting to becoming a beggar, street urchin, or other indentured servant to sustain the life and/or lives that they brought to this country — pertaining to the rules of citizenship, or application thereto — would not have a legal remedy for employment. Therefore, they would be relegated to finding “under the table” means of support…vis-a-vis selling drugs, performing less dignified chores, such as mowing lawns, cleaning facilities…you know, all the stuff that YOU, Mr. Ringer pay those “poor people in the hood”, to do FOR you. Servitude IS bondage. Even for a wage that is TWICE the minimum wage…being that the “minimum wage for maximum service” has become the standard for the company, THIS obvious “symptom” of institutional embeddedness should not have given such cavalier disregard. It is only because of the indigent status of the employees who could not afford BETTER counsel, that Wal-Mart got off so easily. Your finer points of the legal ramifications of this case, had the outcome been different for Wal-Mart, would have ensured that controls would be set for future companies seeking to invest in similar (or dissimilar) enterprises, and set up sweatshops of every “ilk” and fashion. Put yourself in their shoes…once the realization came about that their lawyers could NOT win, due to their limited status to further fund the cause of their cases, it was already a lost cause. with $7 Million being the extent of their limit of investment toward their client’s representation, for all we know, Wal-Mart could have written a check for 10 times that to pull them off course. After all, whether you’re a law firm or not you must realize that…100% of everything (times whatever multiple Wal-Mart could afford to pay to get their lawyers off their butts)…is FAR, FAR, FAR better than suffering a $7 Million Dollar loss. Your opinion seems to have “followed the money”, and is “spot on”…but for these observations. Sometimes a “loss” reported, IS a gain made. You just have to know for WHOM the gain was produced.

    Jazz

    • Jeryl

      You love those big unions, don’t you, Jazz. Unions are the primary reason that we get most of our goods from China these days.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Jeryl, Absolutely Right!__Everything has been driven off shore because Tax and Regulation, my biggest B*tch!

      • JLC

        Jeryl — More than 50 years ago (1958, to be more precise) I warned members of my local of United Steelworkers union that, even then, American labor was in the process of pricing itself out of the world market. As might be expected, I was booed down. Well —— Congratulations, guys! You,ve done it!

      • Jazz

        Actually, Jeryl, I believe that SOME unions are good…but most of them, after being in place for a while, are not worth what is paid to have them. Often, the high wages that the employees in that union are paid begin as a great incentive to get the numbers of to sustain a particular field of business…for a time. But…as soon as the Union Stewards get “comfortable” with receiving a high salary for doing nothing more than filling out forms…they sit on their asses and from that point forward do nothing (or as close to it) for the people who pay their wages. On the other side of the coin, once management and union reps get “Comfortable” with each other, a Union Rep will typically become the house slave, or “whipping boy” to keep employees fearful of confronting management. For management, it then becomes a “win-win” situation. They begin to get what they want all of the time because they then have a mouthpiece that does what they want, when they want it, and how they want it — because the Union Reps themselves are fearful of losing their “cake” jobs. So, Jeryl, while it may sound like I am an ally of Unions, I feel they are only good at fulfilling one or two roles for a limited period of time. After that, they should be done with their job, and eliminated from the rolls.

        Jazz

    • bp

      Jazz, you little lawyer wannabe, you :-) There is no shame in HONEST wages “performing less dignified (says you?) chores, such as mowing lawns, cleaning facilities” etc. Better than the “poor in the hood” seeing “under the table means of support…vis-a-vis selling drugs”, which is ILLEGAL! Work is a virtue, not stealing others’ BIG BUCKS.

      • Jazz

        Guilty as charged, BP — not little, maybe more “wanna-be” as a lawyer. But I despise most lawyers that operate in the ways that I have described. HONEST wages, BP? Slavery…according to your standard, the room and board — not acknowledging that a slave did not get to pick who, what, when, where, how, or to what extent his/her slavery fell unto terms with; the ability of a human to equate the terms of their servitude with optimal choices, terms, amenities, and outcomes toward their favor; maybe your deflection to a feature of the servitude that IS essentially what Wal-Mart offers…is a poor choice. It is not relevant to this situation as to how HONEST the work that is performed at Wal-Mart is or is not. Question is to how Wal-Mart has taken advantage of illegal aliens, the poor, the uneducated (or ineducated – depending upon your perspective), to cull their business objective into a business-of-profit-for-profit-only business; which has such a large margin of ROI relative to the expected costs of labor to sell (alias: overhead), that in retrospect, their profit margins are covered largely by the innate BONUS of micro-costed labor expenses. Translated to laymen’s terms this means that Wal-Mart is in such envious position, that whatever product they sell no longer matters. The savings on wages, facility costs, and infrastructure are so low that they could afford to simply become a warehouse for other large retail businesses, and make a huge profit in the difference of THEIR wage costs and the average “fair market” wage and infrastructure costs alone, compared to what their competitors experience. That being the case, there is an imbalance on the “wage” and “infrastructure” piece of the formula…ONLY at Wal-Marts. And, THAT is what this is all about.

        • Jazz

          …and THAT is what should make Wal-Mart’s sub-wage situation SHAMEFUL!

          Jazz

  • http://www.gas2j.goxft.com Jazz

    Mr. Ringer, you DO know that this was in fact, a case of Slavery, mitigated for the law firm’s profit — do you not?

    Jazz

  • Clint

    I cannot remember when was the last time I was in WalMart; boy that’s a great feeling! Sadly I work at their Home Improvement counterpart. Like any business (esp. big ones), there are major issues that go on everyday without being addressed. If there wasn’t such a large pool of people looking for work, these companies would in trouble. As it stands, they are cutting hours and staff on a regular basis, looking for ways to cut corners and save another buck. If they were only as truly concerned about their staff as they are about saving a buck, they might have more enthusiastic staff. Too often, the ones who get ahead are those who do the least in the way of actual work, but do the most kissing up. Make me look good on paper, who cares about reality. Yeah, this is a sad article, it’s the first piece I have read here that I do not agree with at all. They say it takes all kinds, I am still wondering why some are needed?

    • Dan az

      Clint
      Rules of economics,you must make a profit or your out of business.Plain and simple.The fact that they cut hrs is to keep their doors open.Anyway they can and if they didn’t you would not have a job.Pretty simple huh!If you don’t like the hrs then go apply somewhere that has more.Go to their competitors,start your own business.That’s the the about free markets you have choice!The unions have done nothing for this countries well being and are going to destroy every thing that was done for free enterprise.Their time has come and know they are looking to empower the illegals as a union for better wages.Guess who will be getting your job?I would like to see how much the unions are making of the backs of union slaves.I would bet that when you compare it to the business profit it would either match or double what they make.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Dan Az, I gotta laugh at Union supporters, I guess they don’t realize when they’re done bein used by the Union hierachy, they’ll be tossed and another wet-behind-the-ears will take they’re willfull place!

        • Dan az

          Angel
          I have had it up to here with this union crap,They all need to be thrown in jail for causing this mess that were all in now!Eddie included!

          • Angel Wannabe

            Dan , I probably said this before, but my old man worked in a UAW union shop for 10 years and was a Union Steward. He said the only thing he did, was to save the jobs of the troublemakers and those that came on the job drunk, in essence he was a, “Glorified Babysitter!”

    • Crystal

      I shopped in a Walmart about 11 years ago. That was the first and last time I subjected myself to that kind of punishment.

  • Bob G

    I don’t shop there only because the place is too damn big.
    And the people are scary sometimes.

    • Matt

      I don’t shop there only because the place is too damn big.
      “And the people are scary sometimes”.

      SOMETIMES……how about MOST OF THE TIMES” :-) I go there instead of the City Zoo because there is no entrance fee ;-)

  • BOB REIN

    Dear Kinetic 1…….What contributions have you made to this society, ??how many jobs have you provided in this free market system?? How many families who make the products that sell at the Walmarts of this world have you fed and provided for???.You apparently fail to see the big picture….yes I’m sure the Walmarts, the Henry Fords, the Micro Softs of the world have their bad points, but without them..millions of families would directly and indirectly be unemployed,,,but I’m sure that the government would take up the slack with your tax money….face the facts….I would much rather have the so called “robber barons” of the world who actually contribute than the bureaucratic government employee or politician who produces or provides nothing…I’m trying not to make this personal but quit whining…..maybe you prefer a system that enables the Stalin’s and the Mao’s of the world to provide equality and fairness to the masses…they only killed over 100 million of their own people trying to make everything fait and equitable!!!

    • Jeryl

      Well said, Bob.

    • Donald

      Henry Ford at least paid his workers enough so they could afford to buy one of his cars.

      • Kinetic1

        Donald and Bob,
        I never said anything about Henry Ford. And your right, he wanted his employees to be able to afford the cars they built. Too bad that in more recent years his company became one that put money above safety.

    • DaveH

      Kinetic probably is employed by the Federal Government and works half as hard as his civilian counterparts while getting twice their pay.
      So don’t expect him to understand the average citizens’ plight.

      • Kinetic1

        DaveH,
        He shoots and … it’s a miss. I’ve outlined much of my work history before and I’m not going to bother for your edification. Suffice it to say that, while I have been working since the age of 14 I have never worked for any government.

  • Jennie

    Sorry, should have said “people who would be hurt by high prices that a lawsuit would bring.

  • H.L. McConnell

    WalMart has cost millions of jobs by turning the downtown sections of smalltown America into ghost towns. Many century businesses were lost to the families who built them along with all the employees, their families and the sense of community. Money for WalMart goods goes to China – who supplies almost 80% of the items sold in WalMart. So Americans are employed at low wages to supply other low-wage Americans with goods made basically by slave-wage workers in China. ? That’s a good thing? These lawsuits are/were a long time coming and are very necessary. If Americans each have over $100,000 in taxation pending for the numerous bailouts and QE’s, how will they pay it on the wages WalMart pays? The future looks grim. Read Nickeled and Dimed – a good book on the subject. To herald WalMart as a great corporation is tantamount to burning The Constitution. Someone here has not done their homework. Not all big business is a value to the U.S. – and we will see some big corps go down in the next leg.

    • Bob Marshall

      Good post. Lot of truth. I watched a documentary on Netflix where it showed how many small businesses across America were forced to close because Wal-Mart moving into their community. Wal-Mart is the largest store of its kind in the world. I talked to some employees and they are paid a little more than the minium wage. Bad as that is that is nothing compared to Indonesia where the employees are paid two dollars per day. twelve hour days. Six days per week and no overtime pay. These workers would love to make our minium wage.Place like McDonalds’ and Wal-Mart know in todays economy they have the upper hand. Most of the jobs today either go to government workers or the highly skilled.something most people forgot about is interstates.Sure travel became easier and faster but small towns and communites sufferd greatly. Many businesses had to close.

    • Push comes to shove

      Caveman says “Business bad, government good”

      We are in this mess because of Gov’t interference. We wouldn’t need to pay for bailouts QE if government would keep thier hands out of the cookie jar. The taxation and regulations by gov’t has led to the current situation, less manufacturing, uber high union wages/benefits, etc., not Wal-Mart or other large corporations.

      Do some small businesses go out of business because of Wal-Mart, yes, but that is what happens in a FREE market place when someone provides products/services for a better price than thier competitor, and people FREELY chose to spend thier monies on those lower priced products or services. As for ghost town old downtown districts, i pass through many of them and they thrive with specialty shops that Wal-Mart does not compete with (Bridal shops, photo studios, restaurants, etc.) and are small owner ran businesses.

    • Bleh

      None of what you said justifies a lawsuit based on discrimination. Much of what you say requires other actions that preclude civil lawsuits, instead it would require a fundamental change in the way consumers buy their goods based mostly on cost and somewhat on ease of access.
      Good luck with that.

    • Dave

      Agreed. I’am a conservative Republican; and absolutely DETEST the liberal idealogy of; ” Gimmee; Gimmee; Gimmee.’ BUT; i also worked in a union shop for 18 years. There are good and bad companies in the United States; like there are good and bad Unions. WAL – MART is NOT a good company to work for; either financially OR for a career. Every single person i’ve ever spoken to; who worked at WAL- MART; had a relative or neighbor who worked there; or knew someone who worked there; ALL said the same thing. They treat you like Sh–. That said; they DO seem to get the bottom of the barrel as far as employees with any work ethic. As far as WAL – MART being a good or great American company; well; lets just say you have to be on some serious medication to actually believe that. I read the article. The individual who wrote this is nothing more than a blind hack for corporate America.

  • American Citizen

    The schools need to do a better job of teaching economics. The fact that so many people are in trouble financially shows they don’t work off a budget nor have any idea of how to handle their money. They also need a good civics class to educate them on what government is for – a servant of the people and not a big sugar daddy.

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      …agreed, but the ‘civics’ classes of today are teaching a very different doctrine of ‘what government is for’. Perhaps a better course might be ‘How this country was founded and why”. The challenge will be to get someone to teach that class with honor, dignity and truth.

  • Pilgrim

    My wife worked for Walmart. Walmart would systematically under staff departments. If and when she could get a break….she would have to walk across the store to the break room….Walmart has a policy that if a customer asks you a question during this time that you are to engage the customer and lead the customer to the item they are seeking. This time is still considered the associates break time. Same went for lunch breaks. Walmart is not employee friendly, quite the opposite. Walmart lost a case in Pennsylvania over these practices but they were part of the “Walmart Way” and in place everywhere. It was a job when she needed a job, that is the most that can be said for the experience.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Pilgrim, ALL companies systematically understaff they’re departments. My Husband & Daughter work for a National Chain retail store. They do it all the time. AND, The hours they work are determined by the amount of store sales. Here again, if someone doesn’t like the treatment or the job, they’re free to leave and find something else!
      Keep in mind, If you work for these companies and they cut your checks, they call the shots, not the workers.

      • karolyn

        But the company does not exist without the workers!

        • Angel Wannabe

          karolyn__ and the workers wouldn’t work without the company, would they?__one hand feeds the other!

          • Angel Wannabe

            Karaokn, ya wann be a boss, or a company then take the Boss’s’companies risks. Nothing is served on a silver platter!
            Each level presents its own set of problems!

        • Retiredarmyman

          Karolyn,
          from my understanding of your posts, you are one of three things:
          1) Blindly indoctrinated and swallowing the Liberal Party line,
          2) A communist, or
          3) A Socialist.
          All of the above are reasons for the demise of free enterprise in this nation.
          Read the constitution, it says We the people, not US the government and you the indentured.
          If you don’t like what big corporations are doing fix it. Remember when you go to the polls in NOV 2012 that you get exactly what you ask for.
          Vote conservative and the liberal elitist problem will go away, It just takes all of the people to wake up and realize what’s going on.
          And QUIT running to court every time someone hurts you itty bitty feelings, that’s why health care, auto insurance, and life insurance is so damned expensive.

          As was stated earlier in a little bit different way: Business is in the buisness of making MONEY, not charity. If you want charity go to Church, if you want to make a living go to work. It really is that simple.

    • jimmy the greek

      you got that right !

    • Doug

      Funny you say understaff but what you really should be saying is they are understaffed because how many employees called in sick? Try run a business and see how well you do with being nice to people who call off sick all the time and have not work ethic.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Doug, I had a small buisness and also worked for other companies for a couple years. I found that Most folks who continue to blame large companies for “unfair treatment” are the employees, and they’re unwillingness to stoop beyond what they deem is fair. Nothings Fair, & then ya Die!__Folks need to get over it and get on with it!

        • karolyn

          That’s a terrible motto to live by! Talk about jaded!

          • Angel Wannabe

            karolyn, call it what you will, we each got a life to live. I don’t have the time to sit around and p*ss and moan about who’s rich and poor. We were poor as church mice when I was a kid. Mama was sick from the time I was born and Daddy worked the Mill. Just because we were born in poverty doesn’t mean ya have to stay there, unless your content to do so. A lot of it is a choice, ya take the good with the bad, on the rise up or the fall, just as these major companies did when they risked it all!
            Get over it!

          • Bleh

            Nothing in life is fair. You need to learn to deal with it as have many throughout the centuries.
            The Marines have it right: Improvise, Adapt and Overcome.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Bleh, At’s what I’m sayin!__Now thats a GOOD MOTTO! :)

          • JeffH

            Bleh, I couldn’t agree more! :)
            When the goin’ gets tough, the tough get goin’.

          • Retiredarmyman

            Bleh,
            That’s right! When the going gets the tough get going, the weak whiny babies roll over and suck on the government tit.
            That crap is going to bankrupt us all! What happened to schools teaching nothing is free?

            Never-mind, I forgot about the whole “No child left behind” thing.
            Dumbest thing a Bush ever did, and they have pulled some real winners.

            Senior turned down the offer of 10K in gold coin for each and every service member who was involved in Desert Storm because “We aren’t Mercenaries”, problem is We Are Mercenaries. Just that we are mercenaries with a lot of loyalty to our country. I know I could have used the money.
            Then Junior pulled the stunts he pulled.

            And, Predictably, the population had a knee jerk reaction and voted for someone because he was black, the whites felt guilty about slavery, and the other part of the population believed the lies.
            Everyone was sure that “O” would be the great uniter! Instead he has become the Great race baiter.

            “Obviously the police acted stupidly”
            –Barrack H. Obama–

            To that quote I say:
            “Political Dissent is NOT Racism, even though President Obama apparently thinks it is”
            –Me–

  • Jon Dee

    The largest retail markateer in the world has a waiting line for folks who would really like to be a wage earner employee of WalMart.

    Enter one disaffected employee with allusions of a multimillion dollar suit settlement by all-to-willing shyster Lawyers.

    Lord deliver our land from over zealous Lawyers seeking bonnanza settlements exacted from the very motivated and industrious people and Institutions that provide the wealth of our Nation; OFF WITH THIER HEADS.
    Jon Dee

  • Bob Davis

    THE IDEA THAT ALL EMPLOYEES WHO SEEK A JOB AS STOCK CLERK OR CASHIER WILL BECOME MANAGERS IS NOT SERIOUS THINKING. PEOPLE ARE VERY DIFFERENT. SOME ARE VERY MOTIVATED, SOME VERY SMART, SOME EDUCATED. FOT THE LOWER COURTS TO HAVE AGREED TO LUMP ALL FEMALE EMPLOYEES TOGETHER IS THE PLAIN IGNORANCE THE COURTS USUALLY DISPLAY IN THEIR JUDGEMENTS.
    ALSO SOME OF THE EMPLOYEES TOOK THEIR JOBS BASED ON REMAINING IN THAT CAPACITY, SOME MOTIVATED PEOPLE EXPRESS A DESIRE TO ADVANCE WHEN HIRED. SOME CANNOT NOR DO THEY EVER WANT TO BE A MANAGER. sHOULD THEY BE ENRICHED AS IF THEY DID EXPECT PROMOTION. NO,NO,NO.

  • Donald

    Ringer’s theory falls apart because Labor, unlike money, is not free to move. In the real world, there are not enough jobs available to allow workers to quit a job they don’t like. They have to put food on the table. Especially now in a depression when their are far more people seeking work than there are jobs to be had. Ringer would really be happy if there were no child labor laws to interfere with management’s ability to maximize profit. By the way, since women are often paid less than men for the same kind of work, would Ringer suggest that they have sex change operations if they really want equal pay.

    • http://personalliberty.com David

      You’re living in the past. Come into the 21st century where women are paid every bit as much as men, sometimes more, for the same work. To say that they are an oppressed class is to not be aware of the facts. You fail to realize when suite similar to this take money from a company or individual mostly due to people such as yourself sitting on juries there is a cost to everyone, and for what? A lawyer is richer today than yesterday and you call that justice?! More cases should be judged as was this one so the hordes of money grabers will realize that if they spent their time working instead of looking for a ride on someone else’s back who has done nothing to deserve it they would, indeed, be better off; but who will tell them the truth behind their actions and give them what they deserve: NOTHING!

      • Donald

        At WalMart they dresswed the way they’re told. In this case, to sell jewelry

      • Doug

        Next thing we are going to have government workers and union workers telling us how under paid and over work they are too!

      • karolyn

        YOU come into the 21st century! Women are STILL not paid as much as men for the same work!

        • Bleh

          Guess you never heard of the Equal Pay Act of 1963. It is law and if you can prove your accusation then perhaps you have a valid lawsuit.
          Of course I can list one place where you are absolutely dead wrong and that is the military where pay is based on grade and time in grade period.

          • Kinetic1

            Bleh,
            That was the point of this suit, to prove that WalMart violated the law. Can you imagine a single Walmart employee trying to take on their corporate lawyers? I expect to see at least some of the women grouping together for round 2, but it’s a hard climb with the current Supreme Court.

    • DeeFayette

      Well, Donald, if you are the smart man you claim to be, let me ask if you have created any jobs for those that you claim can’t find jobs.

      Or are you the lazy one that expects government to control everything?

      Liberals/progressives love to control via the force of government rather than compete in the free marketplace of ideas, where they know most everything they dream up…will fail. If Government programs are so GOOD, why must they be mandatory? Why doesn’t one have the choice to participate in Social Security or not. Why doesn’t one have the choice to participate in Medicare or not. Is it because those programs can not compete in a free market? Oh, that’s right, the elitist that created them just knowing the common citizen is to dumb to know what is best for their own good, so they must be forced to pay their premiums.

      If all you liberals have such a great plan for health care in this country why do you just form your own health care insurance company to provide the insurance to those that can’t afford it rather than force your communist ideas down everybody’s throat. I’m sure there are millions of liberals that will voluntarily contribute to subsidize the policies for others that can’t afford it on their own. Oh, that would mean you’d have to cough up the money for what you believe to be a great idea, but it wouldn’t force others that don’t believe as you do, to comply. Liberals/Progressive/Communist must once again use the force of Government to get behavioral conformity.

  • old1

    This all started when employeers were forced to hire unqualified workers to fill quotas set by those on the Communist left. When the qualified workers all got promotions, while the unqualified affirmative action slackers remained at the bottom, discontent set in. Anytime you deal the cards from the bottom of the deck the game is corrupted and reality runs for the back door! This is not about anyones race creed or color it all revolves around ones inteligence. Some employees are just more inteligent than others and get the promotions. Those that don’t are just fullfilling natures age old plan, survival of the fittest. Survival of the fittest never gains favor among a Communist gathering for they all know they are all substandard. That’s why they embrace the Communist left. Competition scares them for they know their position. I’m truly amazed WalMart does as well as they do with such a large group of underclass employees. Their management staff must be truly gifted.

    • Donald

      How do you know so much about “Communist Gatherings”?

      • Doug

        Simple Donald look around you our government employees and union employees and most liberals are communist. We fought the cold war to stop Communism but here today its right out in the open and people are so F**** stupid they do nothing about it. I mean come on look at almost all the polticians from such amoral states such as California and NY to name a few what idiotS

      • STACY YEALOCK

        I believe what (Old1) is refering to is that -any- employer only has two kinds of employees, assets and liabilites. Employees that strive to do their best (assets) and the ones that only show up for work just to get a check, (liabilites)

        • Retiredarmyman

          Would you all just look at this…
          Stacy obviously gets it.
          I had a small business for a few years when I was younger.
          The liabilities are why I only had three people, they worked with me NOT for me, we split the work and the returns (money) equally.
          Why? because they did as much work as I did. It wasn’t really an employee / employer relationship, more like a business partnership.
          I taught them everything I know about roofing and they eventually got their own contracts. Once again we split the work in order to keep our jobs from being taken by the Illegal Mexican Immigrants (liabilities).
          That was in south central Texas, in 1984 / 86, the problem is even worse now.

  • Sutekh

    I despise WalMart. I never shop there. It is a commercial wasteland. Someone told me to go to WalMart to buy a computer because they are cheap. I bought one from my local computer shop, run by a guy who works on the computers and ensures that they actually work before you buy them, and can upgrade or retune them quickly. WalMart is nothing but a catalogue store for China.

    I am sorry that so many people are dependent upon WalMart for their jobs. But under liberal theories, I should sue WalMart for carrying nonAmerican produced goods, and if that doesn’t work, I should sue the people who shop there for helping it stay in business. But the reason that so many people are dependent upon Walmart for their jobs is that the American public is only interested in money, and would buy salvation from Satan if he could provide it cheaper than God.

    Life isn’t fair. I’m much more concerned about how unfair the current administration is than I am over WalMart. At least WalMart can’t steal your money back from you by printing counterfeit money. A descendant of East African slave traders is in the White House, a man who subscribes to the marxist concept of national slavery, but we are worried about Walmart. Our outlook is completely out of focus.

    Sutekh

    • jimmy the greek

      Well sead !

  • http://NONE DAN PENCE

    IF WALMART EMPLOYEES HAVE TO ACCEPT THE COURTS DECISION, SO BE IT I ALSO AGREE WITH THE COURTS DECISION.WALMART TELLS YOU UP FRONT THE RULES OF EMPLOYMENT, IF YOU AGRE WITH THOSE RULES THEN LIVE WITH THEM OR FIND ANOTHER JOB, THAT IS ONE OF YOUR FREEDOMS IN THIS COUNTRY.AND I ALSO WONDER WHY AMERICA CHANGES THE RULES FOR MUSLIMS, IN THIS COUNTRY. THEY DIDN,T CHANGE THEM FOR WALMART EMPLOYEES. IF MUSLIMS DONT LIKE AMERICAS RULES ONE OF YOUR FREEDOMS IS TO FIND ANOTHER COUNTRY TO LIVE IN. GOOD BYE ,AND GOD BLESS WHATEVER COUNTRY YOU CHOOSE TO LIVE IN.

    • Donald

      There is no free choice when you have to take whatever job comes along just to put food on the table. Or do you really think they unemploment rate is high because there are lots of jobs available?

      Why should management pay Americans when they can get Chinese and Indians to do the same work for much less? Now, they don’t even hire people who have been laid off for more than 6 months.

      By the way, how are the unemployed going to get the money to move to another country. Haitians have tried this for years and a lot of them end up drowning at sea. Some choice.

      • Commonsense

        Hey dougie, I live in small town America, and in just about any store in town here, I can walk in, get an application, and get a job. About a half dozen employers here take on slacker crap that works just long enough to go back on unemployment. Hell, I was standing in an auto parts store last year when a kid in his twenties ask the manager for an app and at the same time wanted the manager to sign his “looking for work” slip. The manager said he would sign it if the kid didn’t qualify for the job, but he first had to fill out the app and turn it in. The kid told the manager to “F*** Off!”, threw the app across the and stormed out the door. The kid didn’t want the job, he wanted a hand out. Around here, that’s why unemployment is so high. Almost 2 years of hand out before you need to look for a job. You’re probably just like the kid I mentioned above. Prove me wrong and tell me where you work. I’ll video tape you at your workplace for a month

        • Commonsense

          donald, not dougie. Sorry

        • karolyn

          Gee, where do you live? I’m sure a lot of people would want to know where there is a place that has readily available jobs! Is it in Texas? (which is about the only state doing well these days.)

          • independant thinker

            Arkansas, while perhaps not doing as well as Texas is never the less doing muich better than the nation as a whole.

          • Retiredarmyman

            Karolyn,
            please do not move there to get a job.
            That state is doing well because they don’t subscribe to the liberal mindset, they try to balance their checkbook, and they believe they have a duty to give a fair days labor for a fair days wage!
            The businesses also believe that a fair wage is due to any worker that gives a fair days work!

            That is the heart of the free enterprise system!

          • newton

            texas in some ways is a horrible state. the weather is hot and miserable in the summer, the humidity is unbearable. it has more big nasty insects than any state ive ever lived in. its got more deadly snakes than any other place ive ever lived in. more stupid rednecks than any other southern state ive ever been lived in. this is just my opinion though based on my personal experience.
            but on the positive side, karolyn is right theyre one of the only states that are doing well. if youre a crimminal there , you murder ,good chance youll recieve the death penalty. taxes are lower,theres more jobs, they have the best barbaque. the people there while some are redneck rearends people there are generally friendly, not hung up on p.c the people even the minorities have a sense of humor. in a few years i hope to move back down there. the majority of people in texas when it comes to voting and politics have better sense than many other states.

        • Push comes to shove

          Lets add to that

          We would be able to manufacture at better prices if not for the regulations, high taxation, and high union wages forced on us by our government. Oh yeah how about high insurance costs for all the people who sue companies because they don’t like this or that.

          And yes you should take whatever job that comes along if that means providing for yourself and your family. You can always continue looking for something better while working that job.

  • Insurgent

    The executive, the legislative, and the judicial branches of the US government are just like a bunch of whores———————they can ALL be bought with big money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Doug

      And right now we have the biggest illegal (PIMP DADDY) president of all times!

  • jimmy the greek

    Two times the minimum wage ? bull ! my daughter has been working at Hell-Mart for five years and is making $8.20 per hr as a service writer in the automotive dept and men that have been there less time and quit and come back are getting full time positions and more money .

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      I guess the lesson here Jimmy is to have your daughter quit and then come back for a higher salary…get going!

    • Liberty4UnMe

      Maybe the men do more or have a better attitude. She could go somewhere else if she didn’t like the pay. OR maybe she’s satisfied and it’s just daddy who’s pissed that his little girl is not making as much as the mechanics.

    • Thinking About

      I agree with you and would love to see factual information of Walmart employees making double the minimal wages. This just is not true and bet Walmart would not even claim this fact. Dead Ringer sure does not have truth this time.

      • independant thinker

        I am sure a few of them do make double the minimum wage but I also know new hires will start out at minimum or just above then they will get raises depending on how long they stay and ability.

      • Average Joe

        The “double the minimum wage” is an average amongst all Wal-Mart workers. This includes the Truckers who are independent and can make upwards of 70k per year. the Distribution centers ( the warehouses) where the employees start at well over $12.00 per hour and top out at around $17.00 per hour, it also includes managment that make nice hefty salaries. Maintnance staff and mechanics also make considerably more because of specialized skills as well as Security for their large facilities. So yes…on “average” Wal Mart employees do make Double thew minimum wage….when you actually “average them”. Also included in the figure is “stock options”. After working at a distribution center for a year, I cashed in the stocks that I had bought through bi-weekly payroll deductions, and walked away with over 7k in cash….from my original $4500 investment…..there is definitely potential working for Wal Mart…if you are willing to put up with the BS that goes along with the job.

  • Kimberly Boldt

    All the enmity against Walmart really means, “it’s non-union”. Of course all “union” people are going to hate Walmart. I live in a union state. Grew up in the union family. I’ve heard it all. That’s what they really mean by “not getting treated fairly”. Don’t you know, you can’t possibly stand up for yourself and get a fair wage? Unions think we people are too stupid to do this for ourselves, so you need a union. I remember reading when Henry Ford built his first FORD assembly plant in Detroit. The employees were paid some of the highest wages with the best and safest working conditions in the entire country! But NO….. the commie unions had to butt in say FORD was not being “fair”. I work down the road from the “non-union” Amway Corporation in Ada, MI. Their employees make big bucks and some I know receive $5,000 to $15,000 bonuses every year.

  • Donald

    Yes, so much for twice the minimum wage!

  • Rusty

    If they it.don’t like the way Wal-Mart is treating them,then they should qu

    • karolyn

      BIG TALK! Little meaning!

      • Angel Wannabe

        Karolyn, God said “there will always be the poor amoung us” but people perfectly suited to go out and find and or create jobs, who choose to sit on they’re azz and collect, is what is bringing this country down. A lot of Americans are of an Entitlement menatality, laziness, and have lousy work ethics,(they are one and the same) they play a bigger part rather than circumstance in the job market.

        • Push comes to shove

          Correct, the person on unemployment benefits (gov’t cheese) that was, say an auto salesman, will not take the job digging ditches or cleaning those cars because he believes that is beneath him or his so called skills. We need a better mind set in America, or than please help me.

          GOD helps those who help themselves.

          • Angel Wannabe

            Push comes to shove, I’m hearing ya!__On another note___We know a lot of 20-30 year olds. Honestly I’m quite shocked at the amount of them, who have turned tales, and are beginning to see the light of being responsible for ones self, family & happiness. They too are beginning to question Washington DC’s antics. The old man and I have taked to these kids incessantly, about freedoms and our responcibility in it. Us oldsters just gotta be a pain in the yuoth’s azz and keep on them about it! Like the lies Washington Elites spread and hope it come trues, TRUTH WHEN SAID OFTEN ENOUGH, WORKS EQUALLY WELL TOO!__We Just have to keep pounding away at those who would listen!

          • Angel Wannabe

            Push Comes to Shove, Sorry forgot to hit spell check, just ignore type-os.

          • Carol

            It isn’t gov’t handouts. Businesses have to pay into the unemployment fund. I had 3 separate accounts: taxes, social security and unemployment. I had to turn this in to the appropriate agency every 3 months.

  • 12stringer

    When I worked briefly in retailing 10 years ago, I encountered a young woman applying for a position where I worked. The dress code was business casual. She was dressed in a “don’t bend over” length skirt and a skimpy tank top which left little to the imagination. She was also very rude. We happened to be very busy at the moment attending to several customers and while she waited she was popping her chewing gum, tapping her foot impatiently, and rolling her eyes.
    Needless to say, as soon as she left, her application went into the circular file.
    This is the type of applicant Wal-Mart now has to hire for lack of better selection. When I was in the local one last week, I observed two young ladies, supposedly working at the jewelry counter who were dressed, for lack of a better term, like street walkers–tube or halter tops, and short skirts which left little to the imagination.
    They spent over 15 minutes just visiting with some guys trying to make plans for the weekend keg party and orgy [it was one of those TMI conversations conducted very loudly. All the while the sweet young things who were supposed to be working were ignoring several other customers.
    All employers should have the right to reward productivity and punish indolence as they deem appropriate, not according to an arbitrary and capricious cabal of unionists and leftist attorneys deem fit.

    • karolyn

      I think the jewelry department does not belong to WalMart. All WalMart employees have to wear navy shirts and tan pants.

      • independant thinker

        ” All WalMart employees have to wear navy shirts and tan pants.”

        Go home karo you know not of which you speak. EVERY Wallyworld I have visited has had more employees in jeans than any other style pants and they have all colors of tops on.

  • http://www.poorgrandchildren.com Poorgrandchildren

    Words have consequences.

    Please say free enterprise and freedom of enterprise instead of capitalism. Freedom is harder for Marxists to attack than a word that sounds like evil rich people are controlling us with their money.

    Please say republic. Our founders knew what a disastrous form of government democracy is and mandated a good one in Article 4, Section 4. The lie that we have a democracy started about 1900 with the mislabeled “progressives”.

  • Angel Wannabe

    Good Article!__Well we can Wah Wah Whine all we want, about Wally World, point is ya don’t have to work there!__I get a kick outta people who go for jobs at different companies, and then act as if they’re going to run the owners & they’re companies by calling them out for unfairness. I found out along time ago nothings fair, nobody owes ya a living, and if your going to work for someone, do your job and shut the hell up about it. If it ain’t working QUIT!_-Just for the record, I buy at Wally World too!__WHY?__The GUV has driven ALL manufacturing & Industry off shore with Tax and Regulation, wALLY wORLD IS STILL AT IT! I used to patronize Mom and Pop Shops, but they are history!___Thanks WASHINGTON YOU IDIOTS!

  • Iris

    I find it AMAZING that so many people have commented on this story that effects so few. The story regarding mayhem in the streets IS a story that is predicting REALLY BAD BEHAVIOR that anyone here might become a victim of in the not too distant future. Gangs of black teenagers causing mayhem is something we are going to see more of in all of our communities. For one thing, teenagers talk to each other a lot more than adults do and TRENDS among them spreads like wildfire.

    If you have any teenagers who are not black, warn them to be careful this summer. Mayhem is afoot.

    • Bleh

      Gangs are no limited to the black folk as you imply, that is pure fallacy. I suggest you look up white supremacists. Also the most dangerous of them all is not black either. I suggest you look up MS13 and how far it is spread and where they come from.

  • ddd1301

    While I tend to agree that, based on the merits in this case, Class action status should not be granted. I also think Walmart is an evil empire.
    In most states Walmart has a higher percentage of employees on Gov assistance, than any other employer. So that also means they have a higher # on Assistance, since they are one of the largest employers in a lot of states.
    As long as we continue to shop there this will not change.
    Vote with your feet, do not enter the store!!

    • Angel Wannabe

      ddd13-1 and if ya patronize any of the larger stores, they are regarded as evil empires as well, because they’re rich__Here’s a question, did ya ever work for a poor man?_Are all companies evil, because they’re the company and your the worker?___Heres another, Hows about “Dollar General” do ya know who owns it?, and a few other well known companies you probably deal with?__click on the link below and you’ll find out!

      http://deadlinelive.info/2011/06/27/kkr-to-buy-top-isp-domain-reg-go-daddy-but-who-is-kkr/

    • Patriot

      Do you know who the largest employer is in your state? Answer: your Government, who is going to watch the wolves now that they are in the henhouse?

      • Angel Wannabe

        Patriot, Thankfully a lot of folks watch the Henhouse now, but the only thing that can be done, is raise our voices to representatives who listen, and believe me there isn’t many who care anymore.

    • Bleh

      That is not entirely the fault of a for profit corporation. The reason folk need assistance these days is mostly because of inflation and the policies of our fearless leaders. Our dollars are becoming worthless. Ask any senior what they could get for $100 compared to today…
      For example my father built a 3 bedroom house, plus living room and kitchen with a full length attic and cellar for about $15,000-$20,000 total around 1976, the same house today would cost around $100,000 or more for just for the materials alone.
      You are going to blame a corporation that did not exist then for that? You should be blaming our government and its policies…

      • Angel Wannabe

        Bleh, Exactly!__We built our home in 1976, $40,000. Rebuilt in 90 from a fire, $132,000! That was just the interior!

      • Bleh

        Walmart actually did exist then I think… Either way it is not the Corporation we need to be kicking in the arse…

        • Angel Wannabe

          Bleh, Your right!__Get the damned GUV out of Business and our personal lives,they’re the ones who created this entitlement mentality, it’s time we the people shed it!!!!

  • Liberty4UnMe

    If Walmart is such a bad employer, why have so many CHOSEN to work there? And if it is SUCH a terrible place to shop, why have so many consumers CHOSEN to shop there? We are one of the FEW countries where we have a CHOICE – at least for now. Unfortunately, today we seem to have a country full of people who become dissatisfied with THEIR choices, but would rather blame it on someone else and make THEM pay rather than take responsibility for their OWN actions or choices! It’s ALWAYS someone else’s fault. It’s time to “put on your grown up pants” and act like an adult – NOT a whinny baby!
    I’m a woman who WAS in the work force for many years and I found that, most of the time, you get out of it what you put into it. If you don’t like what they are offering, you may CHOOSE to put in an application somewhere else… just as you CHOSE to apply at Walmart!

  • Joel

    I am the only member of management at my store that is nit female..
    Salaried, or on the clock. We happen to be the best store in the market.
    Having worked for Wal Mart over 6 years, I have never once witnessed anything like
    this.

  • Former Walmart person

    Its simple really. If you don’t like the pay you are getting for the work you are doing, THEN DONT BLOODY DO IT. If the women at walmart had guns to their head or were threatened with rape, being fired, etc., I suppose its different, but the bottom line is all these millions of women ended up working for the pay they received.

  • NickP

    Article says Walmart pays double the minimum wage! In what Country is that? Sure not true where we live. You would have to work 25years +
    to hit that wage.
    As to it’s imports, they keep selling them because the guppies keep buying them. Most greedy minorities shop there and they could care less if they put their brothers out of work. They also like their purchases being subsidized by taxpayers so they can “save”. Guess they also think China is going to pay their Social Security.

    • Patriot

      NickP,

      Minimum wage was never meant to be a living wage! Walmart gives people the opportunity to work to build a career down the road or a foundation as to a work ethic to bring to another position.

  • STACY YEALOCK

    Everyon seems to have coverd my opinions, I started not to post, because I didn’t want to stray from the subject at hand. One of the problems with Wal-Mart are there practices within which they force their way into a city. If you live in a town that mostly runs on “Mom and Pop” stores, and do not want a Wal-Mart inside your city limits, and do not provide the appropriate paper work for them to do so, watch what happens. They will pay an ungodly price for property outside of the city limits, build anyway, thus taking revenue from the smaller merchants and the city that did not want them there will recieve no revenue from the sales tax. Thats my complaint with Wal-Mart practices. I call it “Bull dog’n” They have gotton to big but that is only my personal opinion.

    • Lee

      I agree with you, completely. I have never been in a Wal-Mart, nor will I ever go into one. I try to shop local stores, and small businesses. Wal-Mart is destructive to small towns, and small business. However, I DO agree that Wal-Mart has every right NOT to be a union shop. You don’t have to work for them, if you disagree. If it were my business, I wouldn’t want anyone telling me how to pay my employees, or what benefits to offer. My business is whatever it is, and this is how I want to run it, and this is what I pay, and if you don’t like it, find another job. Period! Apparently, most of the people who work there are OK with how Wal-Mart conducts business.

      • independant thinker

        In the town I live in there are no local businesses to go to except the grocery store and fast food places. Fortunately there is another town within resonable driving distance I can go to and shop a competing big box store as well as local businesses. And yes I do shop the local grocery not wallyworld.

  • Doug Schumann

    Slavery To Continue At Walmart ( Horrible Title to Article! )

    • bp

      DougSchumann: Yes, parentheses “Slavery”. Parody, irony, satire, take your pick.

  • Thinking About

    I would like to see a retraction on the statement of double minimal wages to Walmart employees. Make me think lots of articles are far from the truth or lack of education on producing articles which can be backed in facts.

  • Tony

    Great article. If the citizens (and illegals) who hate the U.S.A. so much simply moved to the socialist country of their choosing, then all of our problems would be resolved. GET OUT!!!!!!!

  • Chuck

    Last time I checked, no one is forced to work or shop at Walmart. There is no shortage of customers or people that want to work there.

    If Walmart is so evil, then people should stop shopping and working there. Walmart will just fade into memory.

    However, Walmart seems to provide products at a price that people can afford, and pay a wage that people are more than willing to work for. Everyone is looking for a way to get something for nothing. This case is a prime example. “Join this class action suit and you will get money”

  • Jeff

    It’s reading through the comments sections that make me question America. The proud arrogance of the willfully stupid who contribute to their own downfall. Teabaggers and their puppet masters do make a person want to move…trouble is, in most more advanced countries, Americans are becoming the immigrants no one wants..

    • Jeep

      What part of America do you question, Jeff? The freedom to work and succeed, or the freedom to complain and file a lawsuit? The freedom to start your own business, or work for anyone who will hire you? Perhaps you would prefer the former Soviet stlye economy, where businesses are state run and employees are “given” a job of the govts choosing. Well, at least you will have a job…

      The last time I checked, businesses in America are STILL owned by those who founded them. You know, the men and women who stuck their financial necks out. And, business owners have the right to succeed, or fail based on their practices. At least for now, anyway.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Yeah, Ok Jeff, go back to sleep and sleep off the rest of that KOOLAID Hang Over!__

    • bp

      Jeff: Jeff, Jeff there are no “more advanced countries”!! I don’t see Americans emigrating en masse; illegals WILL climb over the border to come here, though!
      What is a “teabagger” exactly? Nothing to do with the T.E.A. (Taxed Enough Already) Party, surely? No puppet masters here, like George Soros of the Liberal Socialist-Democrat Party.

  • Jeep

    For those of you who hate Wal Mart. Sam Walton grew up during the depression on a farm in Oklahoma. He had several business failures before the success of Wal Mart. Truly Sam Walton led the quintessential American dream. And, his story IS the path to success. For what it’s worth, all those whining ninnies have more opportunity than Sam ever had. But, like a true loser, would rather complain than do anything about it. However, I can see why. It’s so much easier to complain, file a lawsuit and get paid than to actually follow the American Dream. Or, has the American Dream come down to this?

    • Angel Wannabe

      Jeep, “has the American Dream come down to this?”

      Yeah Jeep I believe it has come down to this, and its a dman shame_ alot of folks today believe in the American Dream, as long as they become successful on someone elses idea & dime!

      • Jeep

        Angel, I think you are right…And, I cannot understand the idea the libtards have that outcome should be “guaranteed”. Personally, I like the idea of competition and thrive on not knowing what is on the “other side”.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Jeep, There is only two certain out comes in life, none od us aren’t getting outta this world alive, and taxes!__The rest is a crap shoot..lol!

          • Jeep

            Angel, ain’t that the truth!

    • libertytrain

      I think perhaps the new American Dream is how much you can get from the government to live without ever having to work again; if one ever did in the first place.

      • Angel Wannabe

        Sad but true, Libertytrain, sad but true.

    • bp

      Jeep: Thank you for that reminder. And Sam Walton said, “Money is over-rated”.

      • Jeep

        bp, he sure did. Do you remember his philosophy that really made Wal Mart successful? Sam had a great run with belief that everything sold in Wal Mart should be American made. And, for many years that was true. It was his son who inherited the reigns of power that began searching for cheaper products outside the US after Sam’s death. And, the “All American Company” had to change it’s slogan.

        • independant thinker

          “Sam had a great run with belief that everything sold in Wal Mart should be American made.”

          That is wrong although he did have a campaign to emphasize the American made products he did carry. He nevfer claimed that everything sold in his stores was American made.

          • Jeep

            IT, yes, technically you are correct. And, no, not everything sold at Wal Mart was American made, even in Sam’s day. The point was, that the bar has certainly been lowered since his death. Nit-pic if you want, I really don’t care. Sam Walton is a true American success story that should be taught in every school. But, it is a cautionary tale in that one should leave one’s legacy in more like-minded hands, lest the legacy becomes tainted.

      • jonathan w

        And John D. Rockefeller said “Competition is Sin”.

  • Kelly

    My daughter has been working at walmart from the age of 16 when she began as a greeter. She is now 28 and has applied for various jobs in the store and gotten everyone one. She is now not only a supervisor for claims, but also a supervisor of HazMat stuff. She has never been treated unfairly and in fact the supervisors and upper management have gone to her on advise. These women that filed the lawsuit, could they have done it because they weren’t giving it their all? Could it be they were constantly late, not doing their job nearing the end of their shift (when everyone does “zoneing” ie: putting stuff back where it belongs) Or could it be they expected it to be an “easy” job of walking around? If they want to be considered “good workers” then maybe they would be Good Workers and not have the I’m entitled to it because I work there attitude. WORK FOR IT IF YOU WANT IT, or go find somewhere else that your attitude would best suited. ITS YOUR CHOICE

    • Angel Wannabe

      Kelly, You got it girl!__I’m so damn sick of these entitlement junkies I could puke!!__Ya want something go after it, like I said above, life is a crap shoot!

    • http://none Kenny

      Right on Kelly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • drue

    it seems to me if the management has rights, then labor should also. if management is unhappy they generally blame the employees, who make no decisions about how the organization is run, and keep their huge salaries and security perks. i suspect there would be less complaining if loss of revenue, etc, was placed squarely on managements shoulders and they started firing at the ceo level (old saying: when fish stinks always starts at the head.) i always suspect when the cry goes out about free markets, it is made by those who have nothing to lose for whatever reason. though it is true if we get tired of the newsletter hacks we can simply unsubscribe but it is too much fun reading them, sort of like a cartoon.

  • Sue

    I would like you to work at Walmart and see how delightful it is. You are a fool!!!

  • Mike W.

    Keep in mind one thing. There are several billion people on this planet who would love to have a job at Wal-Mart! They would love to live in this country & have access to the necessities that we as Americans take for granted on a daily basis. Ingratitude seems to be very pervasive in virtually every aspect of American culture, if you can call it that, a culture. Many say there is no such entity & that this country never had even an interval of civilization has Clemenceau once quipped. That beside the point, perhaps the total collapse of the entire social-economic system may knock some sense into those who are always complaining about the inequities of our way of life. That is if they are fortunate enough to survive such a catastophe! Many will not. Just remember that line from the song Big Yellow Tax, “don’t it always seem to go, that you don’t know what you’ve got till its gone….”

    • Mike W.

      Correction! The song is the Big Yellow Taxi by Joni Mitchell (1970)
      Sorry & thank you for reading my comment.
      Mike

  • Average Joe

    As a former Wal Mart employee at a distribution facilty, I would like to talk about discrimination…from first hand experience. Men load and unload the trucks (Anything from razor blades to furniture), sort the items on those trucks,work the order filling lines, do maintnance on equipment etc and all while trying to meet production quotas that continually go up regardless of what is onboard the trucks( when I started, the quota per truck was 300 boxes per hour when I left, it was 415 per hour over a one year period). Women work in break pack (opening “Cases” [large boxes] to sort the small boxes for orders to be sent out, walk around with paperwork checking orders to make sure that everything in the order is correct or work in the offices and basically have no quotas to meet as a condition of employment. However, we all started at the same rate of pay, got the same raises bi-anually but didn’t have to put up with the same workloads. Women may say that Wal Mart has discriminated against them….if so, it was to their advantage…over the men…as the men could not apply for the same jobs as women….if they did, they were passed over in favor of the women…..Discrimination?…yes…towards the women?…..you make the call!

    • Bleh

      Fancy that..

  • Peter

    Well, I am comming from a communist country. Maybe you will find usefull the following strong personal belives:
    -The war against the employers is bad.
    -The war against the workers is also bad.
    _By far, the most important expression of social equity is the same tax rate for everybody, worker or employer.
    God bless America!

    • Average Joe

      Well said Peter…..too bad more people did not come from comunist countries….they might actually “get it”……Welcome to America and best of luck to you!

  • Dave Carr

    Good grief! So now we’re defending Walmart? As if people have free options to leave their jobs there….and go where? We can shop with our feet and buy at all the mom and pop shops that are no longer in business? They’ve flooded the market with Chinese goods at what cost to America? I guess you can champion your beloved Walmart and greed at any cost, while the country goes down the tubes.

    • Push comes to shove

      The percieved perception of your post is that Wal_mart and other Large companies are to blame for the unemployment rate or the economy, when by far the main contributor to this situation is the government regulations, union controls and high taxes.

      Regulations have stifled the way our manufacturers are able to produce (cafe standards in the car industry).

      Unions cause expenses of companies to go up with wages, benefits, retiement funds

      Taxes on corporations are very high per employee. Look at your pay check and see how much money you pay into the gov’t (FIC, Medicare, SS). Do you realize that your company pays the same amount in taxes for you along with unemployment and workers compensation insurance. Then they Federal income taxes on the money they earn.

      My opinion, it is not the corporations, but the government that has stifled this economy.

      What say you about this?

      • Push comes to shove

        BTW, when looking at taxes and regs & unions who is the greedy ones?

        Wal-Mart is in business to make a profit, gov’t & unions are not supposed to be yet they do on our backs.

  • http://www.technocracyinc.org/ Robert

    Thanks for the lulz… Ayn Rand would be so proud. Ever heard of “Job Lock”? Onward to the Corporate Slave State fellow patriots… and the end of America as we know it. I for one welcome our corporate overlords.

    Let Freedom (for the corporations) Ring!

  • Bob Marshall

    This the problem with the welfare system. A socialist program.There is no such thing as a free lunch. Somebody pays.If a law suit is won the customer will be the loser in the end Higher prices.

  • http://none Kenny

    I think Wally World was right to win this friviolus Law Suite. Once in a while Big Corporations are RIGHT!

  • Laura

    The problem with the argument in the article is that Walmart is a monopoly capitalist working in a rigged market, with the consequence that, due to Walmart’s moving into markets in which they undercut their competitors with goods produced by slave labor, other businesses that pay a living wage to their people go out of business. As a consequence, potential employees do not have the option of working for these other businesses that are gone, but must choose to work for Walmart or be unemployed. So, Walmart really does continue using slave labor.

    Nice try, Mr. Ringer, but wake up and look at the market place as it really is, not as your nice theory thinks it is.

    • eddie47d

      Thanks Laura for the other side of the issue.

    • Bleh

      Consider that if it was not for Walmart many low wage Americans that do NOT work at Walmart would have trouble buying equivalent items elsewhere. Yes, these people do still exist contrary to your post. Believe it or not Demonizing one corporation and causing them to up everyone’s pay would cause them to hand that cost off to the consumer. Mom, who could buy 2 gallons of milk and 2 loaves of bread suddenly can buy only one of each, oops guess “Baby Joe” will have to just suck his thumb for now.
      For profit corporations are in it for the profit. They will get said profit or they go out of business. Then what are the employees to do? They go from minimum wage to no wage, guess “Big Joe” will just have to hit the curb with his “work for food sign”, oops…
      I mean if Walmart is the only game in town, according to you, who is going to pay “Big Joe” now so he can put food on his table? What about “Baby Joe”? Where is his milk and bread going to come from?

      Everything has consequences, better think a bit before you punch their ticket, this is not just a corporation you are screwing with…

    • Push comes to shove

      wal-Mart is not a monopoly, we have target which is the same kind of store, and there are hundreds of other stores that provides all the stuff wal-mart does just not in one location.

      And there it is, “….just one location”, that is why wal-mart is so successful. yes i Quoted myself. If you can find a better business model maybe you too can one day have people telling you that you are the perpetrator and the monster in the room.

  • http://? David Ferguson

    What a great article, I’m in full agreement!!!

  • jopa

    For the ladies of Walmart that hired these lawyers it was a lose lose situation.When there is a class action lawsuit involving a large number of individuals the lawyers take the vast majority of the settlement if they win and just say that’s what it cost to take the suit this far.I have in the past received letters from law offices saying I could be part of different class action lawsuits and tossed them in the trash.They are money makers for lawyers only.

    • jonathan w

      This was a true “Win-Win”, ../for the lawyers on both

  • http://www.nosmog.com ROBERT

    REALLY THE REAL BASIC OF WHY PEOPLE ARE SO COMPLAINED AGAINST ALL WAL MART ABOUT THE SALAIRES ! . THE ANSWER SEE BELOW ;

    THE ” MOBSTER OF UNIONISMS ARE ACT LIKE BIG RATS ” THEY CAN BE INSIDE EVERY WAL MARTS ! .ALWAYS BLAME ON UNIONSIMS BECAUSE THE MOBSTER UNIONISMS KNEW THAT OVER 2,500 WAL MARTS PLUS ABOUT 1.2 MILLION EMPLOYEES AND THE KING MOBSTER UNIONISMS ARE HUNGRIEST FOR THE EMPLOYEES’S MONEY DUES !!! DUES !!! DUES !!!! , THAT IS THE ANSWERS TO ALL UNIONISMS AND THAT IS WHY ALL MOBSTER UNIONISM’S STOMACH ARE EMPTIES ! . POOR THEM !! .

    THIS IS LIBERTY CONUNTRY WE HAVE BUT NOT TO UNIONISMS ARE UNDER COMMUNISM IDEALS !.

    WAL MART HAVE BEEN FAIR TO ANY BODY WHO WALK IN AND GET WHAT THEY WANT TO BUY ANY PRODUCTS AND CHEAPER WHOLE SALES .

    MOBSTER UNIONISMS SPECIFIC AT EMPLOYEES’S DUES . HELL WITH ALL MOBSTER UNIONISMS !

  • Gary Bryson

    What is a matter with you They employ people and give them benefits. Now if you don’t want to work there you can leave —this is what wrong with us. now everyone wants to be the top guy get rid of the unions and we will all be better off___GB

    • eddie47d

      One of the commenter’s said there are no unions in Walmart so what is Robert at 11:51 rambling about?

      • JeffH

        DUH…someone with very little ability can comprehend what Robert said…He never mentioned unions being in Wal Mart. What he is saying is that unions would want into WalMart just for the $$$dues$$$ generated from the 1.2 million+ employees.

        “THE MOBSTER UNIONISMS KNEW THAT OVER 2,500 WAL MARTS PLUS ABOUT 1.2 MILLION EMPLOYEES AND THE KING MOBSTER UNIONISMS ARE HUNGRIEST FOR THE EMPLOYEES’S MONEY DUES !!! DUES !!! DUES !!!!”

        Comprende?

        • Angel Wannabe

          Jeffh, LMAO!!

          • JeffH

            Angel Wannabe, a few days ago Bob L told him he still “didn’t get it”…We’ve been sayin’ the same thing for 2+ years. You know what I mean. :)

          • eddie47d

            I see the “holes” are out in full force again. Jeff being the leader of the pack. I know exactly what Robert said and he directly implied that Walmart has unions. (Walmart and salaries) “They can be in every Walmart” …” always blame it on the unions” What have you been drinking Joe and Jeff? Jeff knows that I wasn’t referring to Bob Livingston but another Bob. So take your cheap shots Jeff for you need all the ammunition you can get or was that another one of your cheap thrills.

          • JeffH

            DUH! eddie, he didn’t even suggest that unions were in Wal Mart…DUH!

            Once more…DUH!

            comprehend: to understand the nature or meaning of; grasp with the mind; perceive; to have a clear idea of … DUH!

          • JeffH

            eddie…”Jeff knows that I wasn’t referring to Bob Livingston but another Bob”…DUH!

            we all knew this, including Bob Livingston, but obviously because of your inability to grasp what is obvious…”you just didn’y get it”…DUH!

          • eddie47d

            Still swimming in your puddle of puke Jeff?

          • Angel Wannabe

            Jeffh, Ther is alot of folks STILL NOT GETTING IT, some Family and friends as well here on my end. They’ll be the ones who get “IT”, when it too late and need a hand out!

        • Average Joe

          “Comprende?”
          Did you for a moment ….forget… that you were talking to eddiot?…..Of course he doesn’t “comprende”….he doesn’t even have a clue what you, me or any intelligent living creature in the universe is saying……Eddie has a one track mind….and no train of thought to ride it…..

          God said “Brains”….eddiot thought he said “trains” and asked for a slow one….and his request was granted…….

          • JeffH

            LMAO! :)

        • Average Joe

          “When E. F. Hutton talks, people listen”

          When eddie47d talks, nobody cares!

          • eddie47d

            Yes Joe you sure let Wayne rip you a new one on the other thread. I guess you feel it’s your turn to be nasty. What goes around comes around ,right!

          • Average Joe

            You might want to go back and check again eddie…..wayne succeded in getting his own ….ripped……as if your opinion actually matters to anyone….but you….

          • eddie47d

            Below average Joe ,I reckon the feeling is going to be mutual.

  • James Rathbone

    If one does not want to work for Walmart, don’t place your application and if you don’t like working there quit.

    • Jeep

      Spot on James, but there are a handful of libtards posting here that do not understand that a job is an agreement between the employer and employee. “You do this work, and I will pay you this amount.” Some here have even suggested that somehow an employer is obligated to provide jobs. Sheesh. It appears as though some “Amerikans” do not understand that what I have earned is mine. Somehow they have the mistaken belief that Wal Mart is here to create jobs for the masses. Jobs are a byproduct of a company that is successful at selling a product…period. They are completely 180 degrees backwards.

      I suppose the these libs believe that since we have a free market, everything should be given to them for free.

  • David Buck

    Mr Ringer’s arguments about free market society are highly hypocritical when Walmart reaps the benefits of TIF’s, abatements, tax credits, and any other tax evasion boondoggle they can get their grubby hands on! Corporate welfare needs to be abolished so we CAN return to a free market society where businesses make it on their own or fail. Corporate welfare allows businesses to do is make more profit at taxpayer expense, and that is simply unfair and inexcusable! I say in addition to banning all welfare, we need to institute a 20% flat tax for everybody, businesses included, with NO deductions, so it would be fair and equitable for EVERYONE!

  • LaTrish

    All the people griping and bit€h/ng about WalMart seem mostly clueless to me. I’m a woman and I used to work there. I was never treated unfairly, I wasn’t paid less than the men (I made more than many of them), nor was I ever discriminated against in any way, not because of sex, race, creed, age, or ANYTHING. Not only that, but my daughter-in-law worked there part-time, her benefits (insurance, etc.) paid for 90 % of my grandson’s birth. And she got paid maternity leave, true, it was only a percentage of her average pay, but still, that’s good.

    • Bleh

      And so the truth comes out. Thanks LaTrish.

  • ma allen

    Typical union ploy. File a lawsuit to stir-up public employees, then when it fails, then go in and try to unionize Walmart. The come on line of unions “well if you would unionize then this sort of discrimination will never happen again, plus we will get you higher pay, and retirement”—- Most of America wouldnt be able to afford to shop there, or anywhere else if that happens. Im glad Walmart is standing strong. To hell with the unions. Why do some people think they should be able to work at Walmart or Mcdonalds, and make a CEO’s pay? You are in a minimum pay job get over it! Or work your way up the ladder.. No one owes you anything…..

    • http://www.nosmog.com ROBERT

      HELLO ma allen :

      WE AGRED WITH YOU AND THTA IS WHAT WE EXCATLY SAID IN ABOUT COMMENTS AND DO NOT ACCEPT ANY UNIONS TO GET WAL MART EMPLOYEES BECAUSE UNIONSIMS ARE HUNGRY OVER UNION DUES AND LOVE TO SRIKES ETC . HELL WITH UNIONS !

  • HarryButtle

    Who in their right mind is going to accept the argument that being discriminated against by your employer without viable recourse is freedom. What’s wrong with you?

    • Bleh

      Who would work for an employer that discriminates these days? I certainly wouldn’t.

  • eddie47d

    Life is give and take for all. Employees have to be careful with how much they take and the employer should be considerate in how much they take. Every generation has workers who “suffer mortification of the flesh” and some businesses suffer the same fate. Each side has their horror stories of how badly they have been picked on. Still there is the ugly reality of Capitalism where a company can indoctrinate their employees to accept weak wages and unfair working conditions. That is the capitalism that the author wants where they can rig the system in their favor. Unions have learned to do the same but to say employees should just jump up and quit if they don’t like a job is unwise for that worker and lousy for America. Americans shouldn’t be quitters and should stay and fight for better pay and working conditions. The workers shouldn’t give in and should stay to make it better for the next employee who comes on board. Now the die hard capitalist would love for this worker to quit for that means more money in his pocket Then he can still lead the rest around like they have a chain through their nose.Every time we think the feudal system is gone from the earth (at least in America)some capitalist wants to resurrect it again.

    • Angel Wannabe

      Ahhh eddie get off the poor me kick, isn’t that why the Unions were started in the first place to stop child labor and unfair company practices???_-You Anti-capitalism Unionites’ll whine even if the companies ya worked for, offered ya a home on a tropical island somewhere, then you’d turn around and bitch because ya have no electricity or hot and cold running water!___Your never freaking satisfied even when they do give ya paid vacations, breaks and bonus’s!__These companies owe us 1 thing, if we work a day, they owe us a days wage, everything else is gravy!!!Remember that!_____For Gods sake,eddie, why should a guy who started a company, NOT be allowed to call his own shots, in his own company?_-What for crap are you trying to sling here.__ The 1900′s are gone!!!!so is child labor, unless they get signed papers from they’re parents, and THEY happen to want to work. The BIG companies that hire people want people who want to work, bottom line. But a lot of folks today, think they’re too damn good to labor! If people would drop the “I’m too good for this kind of work crap”, and get to work at ANYTHING THAT WOULD FEED THEM, they make a hell of a lot more money, than sitting ON THEY’RE AZZ griping about it. geez o man!__ Ya want better WORKING conditions, THEN YOU TAKE THE MONEY RISK, START A COMPANY AND CALL YOUR OWN SHOTS!

      • Bleh

        Well said.

      • JeffH

        AW, I’m just shocked he didn’t blame the Libertarians, conservatives or the right for creating this gross misjustice aganst the poor working man…now brace yourself for some confusing e’ism’s sure to follow.

        • Angel Wannabe

          Jeffh, What no retort from edware??__Waz up with that?

        • eddie47d

          You proved awhile back how confused you can be Jeff.

          • JeffH

            …DUH…

        • eddie47d

          Angel; Busy with the grandkids but I’m so happy you missed me. Go read i41′s usual response below and how too many of you think like that. At least deep down you know it’s true. Even Jeff repeats his Marxist bla,bla bla swill. Gotta go …but I’ll be back.

          • Angel Wannabe

            ahhhhhh there it is, Theres the retort!_ How ya doin eddie?

    • DaveH

      Get real, Eddie.
      The truth is that every time somebody thinks feudalism is gone from the earth, the Socialists resurrect it.
      Companies can’t force you to work for them. But you, who criticize Capitalism, have no problem whatever with forcing people to join your Unions, and you have no problem coercing companies to meet your demands with picketing, harassing potential customers, and harassing voluntary replacement workers. And oftentimes Unions commit even more overt forms of force. Why else would they want to take away Secret Ballots with their Card-Check scheme?
      And when Unionists garner their above-average compensation packages, where does that money come from? It comes from higher prices for the consumers, or lost jobs, or in really onerous cases the Company moves overseas where they have more freedom with their own money.

      • Bleh

        Another well said.

        • eddie47d

          No, it comes from over compensated CEOs and upper management. I knew Dave would over look that. How convienient.

          • DaveH

            I won’t overlook your jealousy towards the “overpaid” CEOs, Eddie. Again, as I often have to repeat to you — It is their money! If they want to “overpay” their executives, that is their business, not yours, Eddie.
            If I bore witness to your work ethic, I would probably have considered you to be overpaid. And in that case, it was the business of the company since they were the ones paying you from their purse. But you ignored that and joined a coercive Union to extract more from them than you probably were worth.

          • Angel Wannabe

            C,mon eddie over paid CEOS?___Really?_ I’m not sure it’s anyones business but theres what they do with they’re money__Thunder Storm I’m outta here!

          • JeffH

            DaveH, “If I bore witness to your(eddie’s)work ethic, I would probably have considered you to be overpaid.”

            It’s definately a good think he wasn’t paid to think or understand…DUH!

          • eddie47d

            Jeff lost his bearings many moons ago and along with that went his mind so go sell your corporate pudding to someone else because I’m not buying.

  • James Miller

    Well said!

  • Bill

    Shame on you Robert Ringer for using the title: “Slavery to Continue At Walmart.” There are NO SLAVES at WALMART only employees. I thought you had more common sense than that. There is always some groups looking for an easy way out and the lawyers looking to fill their pockets. These “WOMEN” are darn lucky they even have a job. Stop the complaining and be thankful that your not one of the homeless. Wake up, get a life and be grateful for what you have.

    • Bleh

      Bill can you say “satire” or “sarcasm”?

      • Push comes to shove

        Bill must have acted before he thought (read). He does seem to be on the right side of the issue.

  • mik

    I am very much a conservative but do not agree with everything Robert has to say. Why, because I have lived in an unfair pay environment. Not at all jobs, but at more than one. It does exist and the times it has, I could not just up and leave and get a new job. Real unemployment today is way over 10% maybe up to 17% if you take in all those who are truly out of work and looking for a job. This means the corporations do have the upper hand to a degree on pay. You want a job, you take what they offer and be happy to have a pay check.
    I just received a 2010 tech pay industry report. Women are making about 20% less than their male contemporaries for the same job types and same number of years of experience. This shows real discrimination and lack of fairness and true good faith on the part of our companies and corporations. If we want our liberal brethrens to believe the conservative party is about values, than we need to support values where it is not.
    Unions are not the answer for they are far more corrupt and have done more damage to America now than the corp leadership. But there is a lot of opportunity for improvement.
    Now I do agree that overtime wages have been inflated. We now live in a throw away economy where every household has 4 TVs (or more), all kids over 10 have cell phones, expensive sneakers, hand held computer games, convenient expensive preprocessed food instead of meat and potatoes from scratch. We think we need these things to live, but we don’t. The large min wage increases in the past have hurt to some degree. Not to say that there should not have been some change, but not to the degree there has been.
    Should there have been a class action suit? Maybe not – opens up too many cans of worms. Should there maybe have been a modified suit where a class of female workers could show injustice? Maybe? Should WM and all businesses just start being FAIR when offering salaries (not over paying or under paying anyone). Yes.
    Same pay for same work, experience and competence (and don’t start telling me women are more incompetent than men. I have managed most of my career, there are good and bad eggs of both sexes).

  • i41

    Wal-Mart has given these whining “minority” slubs more breaks and promoted more quees, women, and minorities in to “leadership” positions than any other corporation. I will not shop at Wal-Mart in the last 4 years, because of their B–l s–t PCed crap. When they didn’t want to say Merrry Christmas and a lot of clowns working there are too worthless to get a job anywhere else. The faggot multi colored morons in any dept are to busy acting like idiots, and don’t know squat on what they are selling. There is very few companies that will give insurance to part time workers, so if these b–ches didn’t like their pay and where they were going, leave go start their own business. Alot of the morons are college business majors or pyscho clowns who can not find a job in the real world. From top to bottom must are going to be degreed About like the —– we haver in the WH, that signed on the the UN mandate 21, that removes all private property rights. I called both of my senators, and asked why their heads were up the marxist/communist crossbred rear, for not telling citizens about the executive order. Staff called back and said it was signed durning te Wiener gate circus, but don’t know what is going to happen yet. So all the marxist/communist democrat pups of Nazi Traitor George Soros, should have tingles twix their ears, over total government control over all private land.

  • Raggs

    This sure smells like oblama crap union extortion to me.

  • Chuck

    You liberal pukes with your give-it-to-me-for-free attitudes make me want to vomit. This is the land of the free and if you don’t like it move to Russia, China or any other oppressed regime and see how far you get with your progressive ideas. If you don’t like wal-mart, don’t shop there or don’t work there. No one held a gun to the heads of their employees and made them take a job or stay there. We all have rights and one of those is to be able to choose where we want to be employed. Most liberals are like small children who, when they don’t get their own way, have a tantrum. Thank God that in 17 months this country will be rid of that traitor who currently occupies the White House and we can all begin to repair the damage he has inflicted upon this great nation.

  • i41

    mik, that is pure bs, nobody that has job that they are tied to, and can not leave it. Either they have limited skills or are a one shot wonder. Since I started earning money when I was 13, if I thought I was getting less money due to age or that I would just keep mum. Never had a problem finding something to earn money, weather operating equipment and tending livestock, or doing drywall. We have a nation of pusified men, and women now make more than men by the latest stats, so the ones you quote are just stats that must be coming from NOW. Women work less hours on any job than males no matter what it is. If women want good pay quit whining a get to doing something and put in some hours. I have 5 daughter all who make more money than any of their friends and even some males. Biggest reason is they are able to do many tasks, such as accounting and marketing products, as well as be a EMT on the site, weather in office or any where they are work for the corporations need someone. It all starts when you are rreal young and have great parents that put the responsiblity to learn to do what ever is needed to be done on aa job. Also I see my daughter and son-in-laws are teaching my grandkids to contribute and do something besides play video games and watch TV. All of my ^ children when they were out of school got their CDL’s so they could drive either school buses or what to keep bring in money. This idea get a job some where or with a corporation and float for life, went out in the 60′s. For once the SCOTUs actually made a correct decision!

    • CJM

      i41: “Women work less hours on any job than males no matter what it is. If women want good pay quit whining a get to doing something and put in some hours.” Sorry, but your statement is clearly untrue. I have put in many, many 18 hr days and certainly out-did any male on the job. Get some facts straight before making these kinds of assumptions.

      • libertytrain

        Ditto – I had many many 18 hour days and there weren’t any men to be seen except from 8-5. :) I wonder why.

        • JeffH

          …brings to the “Rosie the riveters” of WWII doesn’t it?

          • JeffH

            uh…brings to mind “R-t-R”…

    • mik

      I work more hours than ANY of my male contempories. Don’t believe me, give me a call AT Work at 11:00 PM ot 1:00 AM or #:00AM when when my male conterparts leave the office by 4:30. The boss befor 5:30. Never a moment later. Don’t judge what you haven’t lived. The results were from a Global IT Salary survey (the focus was not on Male female, that was just one of the componest the took out as well as Age, job function, years experience, manager or indivual contributor. The report Salary Survey: Finacial Services from Bank & System Technology. April 2011. Staff F $81,000/y M $102,000/y Management F $91,000 M $120,000
      Total cash compensation is worse.
      F 90,000 M 113,000 Staff; F $113,000 M140,000 Manangement

      Data: InformationWeek Analytics 2011 U.S. IT Salary Survey of 1,990 banking and securities IT professionals

      I don’t wave the NOW flag and never have. I have been treated fairly and unfairly though in my 20+ years of work. I do know the difference. Also, in all my professional years I have only worked for male bosses. Like I said, I have worked for both (fair and unfair) so both exist.

      The barriers to fair pay also exist to fair employment – and that is not just for women bot for people with disabilities, or those who are short or sound funny, our have disfigurations or some other aspect that makes them different.

      This does not mean I am for quotas, I am for fairness. If we could all do our jobs with blinders on it would be great, but we can’t so we have to remember to truly judge people on what they contribute and not on the BS the bring into the room.

      When Women do a better job then their male contemporaries, they should be rewarded in kind. This I have rarely seen. When a women excells in a male dominated world – it is often taken that she should perform as such it is her job isn’t it- while a man would get a promotion. Again this is not always the case, but has been the case for about 50% of those I have worked for.

    • mik

      Also – I did not say the SCOtUS made a wrong decision. I was not agreeing with everything Robert wrote in his article. His article was maybe 50% on. Should there have been a class action??? That is really questionable. Is there a chance that there are women working for WM who do have a legit complaint. I’m almost certain there is. Is getting a Uninion in there the way to fix it? H*LL No. WM need to do a solid review of it’s personnel, promotion and pay policy and make sure they are being FAIR. That is all. There has to be enough legit cases of unfair pay and promotion practices (not just 1 or 2) for this to have been an issue.

  • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

    Walmart,

    Is getting to be the only store in town.

  • CJM

    Robert Ringer needs to speak for himself; he knows NOTHING about working for WalMart, but the employees certainly do. They do NOT pay more than half the minimum wage; they do pay minimum and just barely above. Employees who have worked at some WalMarts for 10 years are making $7/hr in many instances; furthermore, raises are hard to get because managers receive a bonus for holding costs down (which translates into no raises except maybe a nickle, dime, or at best a quarter/hour–the less paid out, the greater the manager’s bonus). Women are excluded from going beyond section managers–managers consumers see are almost always male. Furthermore, keeping prices down? Excuse me, but the WalMart grocery section is well-above other retailer markets and many of the non-perishable items are at par with comptetitors and even higher. One could do much better at a K-Mart or Target store. They may be a large employer, but they aren’t very nice to their employees, who, by the way, are responsible for the big profits this corporation enjoys.

    • CJM

      “managers consumers see” should read managers that most consumers see are almost always male. Sorry for the odd sentence in orginal post.

    • Michelle

      have you ever worked for Walmart? Or are you getting your info from some disgruntled worker or liberal? Just wondering because I did have a friend that worked there years ago and thought they were great. Now that was several years ago but just wondering.

  • Buckeye

    Reading these posts I get the feeling many people are quite young and you know nothing about the labor movement of the 1920′s and 30′s or why it happened. It had very little to do about money. You only know what Faux and Drugball spew and nothing close to the truth. The companies all had a blackball list and if your name was on it you could not get a job within 200 miles from where you lived. Maybe you just got married and your boss decided he liked your wife. The boss would just out right tell you if you wanted to keep your job and not get blackballed you should explain thar tomorrow night you would be working late and the boss would be over and the wife had better treat him real good. After a few such evening he usually moved on to another person and often your wife would be expecting a child and in those days we did not have DNA so you really never knew. This was a very common thing to happen. Very good workers were fired daily and blackballed for no reason except the urge for power and control. The union threat is the only thing holding back the corporate thugs today. One more thought this morning on the news Michelle Bachman was intervied and she said she wants to eliminate any minimum wage and in the same breath she bragged about her children and one is a doctor. What hope does any worker have if we had no minimum wage???? Also Mike Lee a US senator from Utah and state senator Cunningham from Missouri want to eliminate child labor laws. Wake up all voters as you can see what the repubs have in store for you.

    • Terry

      Golly, what’s the DNC or SEIU payng you to hang around on this site, minimum wage? union scale? Refund of your monthly dues? My guess is that it’s under-the-table from the political action funds.

  • i41

    Michelle, yes I sure did work for Wal-Mart for 4 years when I was waiting for my leg to heal up after 15 surgeries. Yes they had several managers and co-managers the had never supervised crews of had done anything but follow what every was told them. Since I was confined to a wheelchair the whole time, the managers were whining about more productivity, my job was at the front door checking customers and items coming and going. When I started keeping track of any shift I was on to see what management and certain workers were having pre-breaks, breaks and post breaks every day I worked. A pattern soon came to light. I went right to the manager, not the middle peons. When it went on for over a month, at the montly meeting it was brought up again. When I pionted out the management skills were nill and every departement manager needed training in customer and personal curtsy. Thing kind of got some life long employees to wig out. Since I had more years of verifyable manager or supervisory experience than even the manager, it did not sit well. After I got so I could get back to real work, I called corporate and lite the fuse. Since anyone working with me would start complaining about needing a new place to work, I could always give them someone to call or contact. Usually it was a job a couple hundref miles away for better pay. When 15 people left in 2 days for new jobs, management and I agreed to disagree and left. Again my learned skills of apraising livestock and equipment, I was working in 3 days. Even though I buy my own insurance for my wife and I, I still make 2 times what I did at Wal-Mart after 4 years and don’t care if I ever go back. Added note customers see me and wish I was at the door , since the attitude of staff is gone to crap. It is a good spot for rear kissers and get along clowns with not courage or back bone. When I ran into a manager 6 months ago at a dentist office she asked if I would come back, and she was told if I had some moron tell me how do to my job, when they had never done it, I probably have drop some idiot to the floor, it isn’t pc and I frankly don’t give a rtat’s rear since I had a 4 corner shuffle with pompous azzes before.So if yuou are getting hosed leave and get another job, if you aren’t a union puzzy!

  • i41

    Buckeye, what are you another pusifed union smuck, who has his steward do your negotating, and cannot grow a set to do your own bargaining. The coal miners and other union lackeys couldn’t live anywhere else but by their kinfolk and were to damn stupid to leave. When I was 13 my first job, it was yardman for a sale barn, that paid $4 an hr. Average heavy equipment operator got $4.10. So don’t hand all of us the bs of the labor movement glories. When I was 15 I started hauling livestock after the sales, using my folks truck, usually making $100 a night. It wouldn’t be possible now because of all the regs that were put in place by marxist/communist democrat union stooges like Drunk Teddy K and his fellow rapists. Like the CDL license crap that started early 90′s. As for the corp thugs and unions supporting democraps, they just have a bunch wimps working for them, who need to kick some serious azz on some of the bs ezamples you gave. The minium wage was for young idiots, to learn something of a trade, and not expect to live off of it for decades. I sure wouldn’t hire a greese ball with hair down to his azz, with his pants on the floor and metal in his face. or a headphone blaring in his air gap between his ears. Because the idiot is not paying attention what he is doing or operating, even if it is a broom. If you want a job get rid of the wimpy metal head bs and clean up and learn you may have to work weekends and shifts. If you think minium wage has to be enforced by government, you must be some lazy azzed screw off. Usually if you can work you will get raises on your own skills, not some pissant marxist/communist democrat politians, since all are worthless humps with leech law degrees. I contacted some 20-30 somethings, who claimed to looking for a job at stating wage of $16 and going to $20 in 2 years, but there would be shift work and weekends, didn’t have one takers, all mommees boys, living off of their pregant “girlfriends” and you and I.

  • i41

    Agree with ending this child labor law bs, we have HHS and other feel good government pervs doing nothing, but wasting money. Kids cann’t mow yards, paint houses or do a damn thing but screw off and never develope any work skills.

    • Angel Wannabe

      i4!, Oh Lord, the Libs can’t have our youth learn any skills, hell they won’t be easily indictrinated or develope an entitlement mentality, if the kids learn to work at a young age?!_-C’mon now… :)

      • Angel Wannabe

        i4!, sorry, I meant indoctrinated.

      • Bleh

        Kids developing a work ethic in our country is contradictory to the goals of Libs apparently.

  • Pete

    The Tortoise speaks the truth !

    Most Americans would starve to death in a predominantly capitalistic society. The present 50/50 mixed Socialism/Capitalism keeps many of them alive. Many of the accountants and lawyers, who are employed for bureaucratic paper work requirements, would lose their jobs.

    Then the government bureaucracy wouldn’t have a job either…

    If we became a more capitalistic society, over-nite, many would starve . A hundred years ago you could go back to the farm – but now their aren’t enough farms to go back to. You sure can’t survive on your 1/4 acre or less lot in the suburbs … HA HA !

  • i41

    If kids had to work and welfare was stopped, the sorry gang banging freaks would die, and then the minority crap would stop. Think all idiots that want scenery need to get a job, as soon as their extra money is taken from to give a welfare smuck more TV time. My parents always said when we got to b–ching about a wanting a vaction, their saying was that a vacation was just another form of work. My Mom would make us read all kinds of books and even encylopiass(sp), if we want to see something different.

  • Charles

    Get use to being a slave.This is Obamas plan to destroy white America.
    The Feds want to take our guns and when there is no more money the arm
    forces will also be destroyed. Every black will have at least 20 to 30 white slaves. Welcome to the New America. You think this can`t happen, it already happned in a small prison in the South where the population is a little over 200 whites and 20 blacks and with the help of the warden the blacks have made the whites their slaves.They not only beat them, but in some instances they kill them.

  • 45caliber

    The “unfair” complaint is that new hires aren’t making the same pay as someone who has been there several years. I’m not saying that some people shouldn’t have been paid more but most of those suing were simply wanting more pay despite just starting.

    Yes, some employees do the same work as others and get paid less. But I believe someone who has been working a month shouldn’t necessarily be paid the exact same as someone who has been there for ten years.

    • Bleh

      I completely agree and apparently so does the military, hence “Time in Grade”.
      Some people just think everything should be handed to them on a “Silver Platter”.

  • Cynthia

    Good article, mr. Ringer. Wouldn’t you think they would be grateful for a job and not part of 9.5 o/o unemployed? I was in a job for many years in which I felt underpaid but I appreciated my benefits, experience and education I received. This enabled me to leave and increase my income and standard of living. What’s wrong with this picture?

    • Rusticus

      Cynthia,

      You have the kind of attitude that American corporations want. Your just so damn grateful that someone has given you a job that you’re happy to put up with as much crap as they dish out.

      They want to see the whole workforce as passive and accepting as you. You are a perfect member of the underclass.

  • Jim Carter

    I worked at WalMart….Met and visited with Sam Walton for nearly two hours…We talked of bird dogs and quail hunting and ate a pizza together and I found him to be a very likeable guy.
    I was laid off from G.M. and took a job in the sporting goods dept. to keep paying my bills.
    After his death, I saw changes within WalMart that would have made Sam roll over in his grave.
    I support the women of WalMart and think that their law suit was for the most part just and needed!
    If you haven’t worked there and haven’t been treated badly by their management…then you have no idea what it is like! When I worked there, women were treated as second class workers. This is not some feeling that I have guessed at, I saw it with my own two eyes.
    I saw WalMart management cheat people who they had contracts with and JOKE about it to me. I’ll say it again…If you haven’t worked there…keep your opinions to yourself…you do not know what it is like to work there. In my opinion, it is a crap job and someone needs to bust them and make them treat their employee and vendors better. AND yes I think that they should have more AMERICAN goods for sale in their stores also

  • Cheryl

    My daughter has worked in retail for many years. She has worked at boutiques, department stores, and 2 Walmarts. I can tell you from her personal experience that Walmart pays more than minimum wage. Most stores do not…even with experience. She has never encountered some of the horror stories going around, and they help their employees with various programs. I do not believe Target or K-Mart do. Let’s go after them! Why only Walmart? Could it be because they are twice as successful as the other two put together? I do 99% of my shopping at Walmart because they offer the best prices around, and will match anything on sale at another store. Just bring in the ad.

    Yes, they could have more American made goods, but they are trying to save us money. And you can’t blame them for all the companies that have sent their manufacturing overseas. It’s not Walmart’s fault. When you see “made in China” on 99.9% of items, it’s not being made for Walmart. It’s being made for the company that manufacturers that TV, dresser, microwave, or clothing item. Same situation as Best Buy, Sears, Macy’s or whoever you want to insert here.

    Most of us have very limited income right now due to the economy. Many are unemployed (thanks BO), and many live on fixed incomes. They have to watch every penny. Walmart allows them to do that. Because they are so successful, are they supposed to go out of business paying their employees $20/hour plus benefits? By the way, my daughter started out part time & within 2 weeks was full time with benefits. So they do offer them to full time employees…just the same as any store or business. Yes, they make huge profits. But the stockholders that buy into the store would no longer do so if they started dwindling.

    I’m just really tired of all the Walmart bashing. I feel it is undeserved. I do not work there, I never have worked there, and my daughter does not work there now. I could shop anywhere, but I choose Walmart for the convenience, low prices and selection. If you disagree, you are free to shop at any store you wish. You also are free to work at any store you wish. Perhaps some of the disgruntled employees do have valid complaints & it could be that management at some of the stores need better people skills, but all in all, I support Walmart.

  • Jim Carter

    Cheryl…We all have differnt thoughts of what is right and what is wrong. I have trouble understanding your way of thinking on WalMart and buying in general?

    WalMart sent us out into all the stores around them in the town that we live in, in middle Tennessee. We were sent out to put the other stores out of business. Our first trip to WalMarts competition was done in teams of three or four. Two carried clip boards and one or two didn’t. They took notes more quitely. They wanted the owners of the store to catch at least one of what they called “Spies”. So as to spook the competition. The plan was to “Under cut their prices even if it were at a loss”. This tatic has destroyed may small towns in the south.
    If you are selling something to WalMart…that is another story altogether. Near where I live is a town called McMinnville, Tn… It is known as the shrub capital of the world. They grow all sorts of plants there also. WalMart ordered a tractor trailer load of plants …they wanted a certain size plant in a certain size container. When the driver arrived with the plants, my store manager asked me to walk out and check the plants with him. On the way out, he said and I quote ” I am going to reject this load of plants!”…To which I asked why? Because we hadn’t even laid eyes on them yet. He said, and I quote again…” Because it’s WalMart’s way of doing business with small growers. He explained that the small grower had to hire a truck and driver to haul the plants to the store. They had to pay workers to start the plants, pot the plants, buy the pots and etc….plus pay workers to load them on the truck. He said that if he rejects them…the small grower will have to sell them for much less or loose all the way around. They’d still have to pay for the truck and driver and pay labor to unload them …then pay again when someone else bought them.” I asked ” What is wrong with the plants?” To which he said “Nothing!” “I can take advanage of this grower and I am going to” “I have this grower over a barrel” ” The grower will have no other way out but to sell these plants to me a loss”!!!!

    National Pride does not run deep within you…does it??? National pride is where you love fellow American workers and seek out their handy work/products and spend dollars…American Dollars to support your neighbors and their kids and maybe your grandkids some day.

    Buyers who have destroyed America by buying none American goods should be ashamed of themselves. If we all bought American goods …we wouldn’t have un-employment so high…we’d have more taxes paid in by many workers and we might not have this hugh problem in America today…Do you want me to keep going? Cause I can bring up many more reasons why to buy American goods only!

    Have a wonderful 4th everybody!

  • Jim Carter

    Oh…By the way…I do NOT shop at WalMart!

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