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Signs Of Collapse: The Obvious And The Hidden

December 14, 2012 by  

Signs Of Collapse: The Obvious And The Hidden
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Societal collapse manifests itself in many ways. The clues are there for the discerning to see.

In America, societal collapse is evident through continued and escalating currency devaluation (quantitative easing to infinity), the collapse and non-recovery of the housing market, the growing number of individual bankruptcies, high unemployment and business failures. These things are at least making news headlines, though in a way that plays down their significance. Other signs — particularly the loss of civility; the glorification beyond all reason of athletic events, athletes and celebrities; and the increase in the “me-first” and entitlement mindset — aren’t discussed in the media.

One clue being missed by the masses is the growing lawlessness of the Nation’s youth — particularly black youth. That is by design. The whore media is intentionally overlooking, if not suppressing, the growing incidences of youth mob violence, particularly in cases of black-on-white crime.

But mobs, like the 44th Street Crew in Southeast Washington, D.C., are becoming more prevalent and more dangerous. They and others are terrorizing riders of the Metro, and posting it to social media for all to see.

Just another isolated incident? Hardly. According to the Website UnsuckDCMetro (a blog dedicated to covering Metro events), reports of violence rarely make it to The Washington Post, even though they are occurring and have been for some time. One anonymous reader posted his experience in witnessing a group of six to eight teenagers assaulting a lone teenage girl. He said he called 911; less than a minute later, another girl was being assaulted.  Other reports are here, here and here.

When these websites post details of the incidents, commenters follow up with their own experiences. Sometimes these are as bad as or worse than the original incident.

Thomas Sowell writes that there is an uncensored race war in America and that incidents that are occurring across the country are being ignored or suppressed.

“What the authorities and the media seem determined to suppress is that the hoodlum elements in many ghettoes launch coordinated attacks on whites in public places. If there is anything worse than a one-sided race war, it is a two-sided race war, especially when one of the races outnumbers the other several times over,” he wrote last summer.

Black mobs are taking over stores, overwhelming them with sheer numbers and walking out with all the merchandise they can carry. They are engaging in uprovoked violence called “knockout games” where they calmly approach an unwary victim and cold cock him or her in an effort to render the victim unconscious.

Walter E. Williams writes that in addition to a growing number of black-on-white incidents, there are also an increasing number of black-on-Asian attacks. But also being ignored by the media is black-on-black crime.

This shouldn’t be surprising. Blacks are suffering disproportionally in the President Barack Obama economy. According to official (and doctored) unemployment numbers put out by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, unemployment in the black community is above 13 percent, almost twice the rate of all unemployment. For blacks under the age of 20, the official rate is 39.4 percent. Since real unemployment is above 22 percent (when all unemployed workers are counted), black unemployment may be near 40 percent and black under 20 unemployment is, no doubt, much worse.

As the collapse continues and escalates, look for violence to also escalate. People get more desperate as they get hungrier. Desperate people do desperate things. Arab spring was just a picnic.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    Bob Livingston – SIR, YOU ARE ON POINT!

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      I AM FORTY-SIX YEARS OF AGE. THERE WILL BE A RACE WAR IN THIS COUNTRY. THE KENYAN IS A DEFINITE “LIGHTNING-ROD!,” WHICH MAKES BLOODY VIOLENCE COME CLOSER TO FRUITION EACH DAY. I MAY NOT LIVE LONG ENOUGH TO SEE THE CHAOS – BUT, IF I DO, I WILL BE PREPARED; I AM NOT AFRAID. INDEED, MY LIFE SEEMS TO BE DESTINED FOR THIS RACE WAR.

      HATRED – BECAUSE OF THE EXISTENCE OF THE KENYAN – HAS GONE “THROUGH THE ROOF.” PEOPLE, OPEN YOUR EYES – LIKE IT, OR NOT, THIS IS OUR REALITY AND OUR FUTURE.

      • http://yahoo jeff

        I am 72 and I fully agree that we are headed for a Race War. Obama is the great divider and he is succeeding in tearing America apart.

      • Elda

        In this country we have voted for free things not freedom. Obama has done all he can to cause a rift between rich and poor, black and white, Democrats and Republicans, between police and civilians. He uses lies and distortions. Obama has done more damage to this country and the black community than the Democrat party has in the last 150 years. Really all he has done is worked to place the last nails in our coffin. He is there by design, they have been creating the spot and looking for the right man and now it has happened.

      • Pete

        All this black on white violence is causing a massive resurgence of the KKK. A chapter started here in Michigan in 2006 presently has chapters in 9 states. A chapter in Florida now operates out of 11 states. Law enforcement isn’t doing anything about the black on white violence problem, and is downplaying its significance. It is even politically incorrect to talk about this problem. The press doesn’t even report it. When the violence comes back to black people, they will wonder what happened. They will blame everyone but themselves. This is what happened after the 1967 riots in Detroit. The self appointed black spokesmen were complaining that businesses wouldn’t locate in Detroit. No Wonder!!! In fact, all our big cities are good places to avoid.

      • Patriot-Research

        You are correct, if you live in a Big City you better no how to defend yourself and carry some kind of weapon. Go listen to Dr. Michael Williams show “The Patriot Report” on webtalkradio.net and get the real story to what is happening in our Nation. Dr. Williams and his guest have done their research and know what is coming to America and it is not good!

      • Walt

        The future of America and the reasons for its upcoming demise are best described in a book I recently read called “Into The Cannibal’s Pot” by Ilana Mercer. A South African woman of Jewish descent, who saw her country torn apart by an ongoing race war and the lawless tyranny of the black majority. What she describes in her book is very similar to the events being described today about black-on-white crimes in Washington D.C. and elsewhere in our country. I highly recommend reading this book so you can see what awaits white America down the road, unless this disasterous trend is reversed.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Elda,”

        I AGREE. THE KENYAN HAS DEFINITELY HURT NEGROES. BEFORE HIS ARRIVAL IN 2008, NEGROES HELD CLOSE TO THEIR FAITH BECAUSE IT WAS CONSIDERED THEIR ONLY SOURCE OF PROTECTION. NOW, NEGROES ARE “HELL-BENT” ON THROWING ALL OF THAT AWAY IN BLIND ALLEGIANCE TO SOMEONE WHO DOES NOT CARE ABOUT THEM. HOW WILL THESE NEGROES BE RESTORED TO THEIR FAITH IN 2017? – THAT IS, THE QUESTION.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Pete,”

        BECAUSE OF MY CONSCIOUS CHOICE TO “TURN-MY-BACK” AGAINST MY OWN KIND AND GO TO THE “CAUCASIAN” SIDE, I MUST “ACCOUNT FOR MY ACTIONS.” A RACE WAR WOULD ALLOW ME TO “ACCOUNT FOR MY ACTIONS.” EITHER, NEGROES WILL KILL ME [for being a traitor]; OR, I WILL BE VICTORIOUS [for standing on the right side - with Caucasians].

        “Pete,” MY LIFE DEMANDS RESOLUTION OF THIS INNER-CONFLICT; A RACE WAR WOULD BE OF GREAT BENEFIT. WITHOUT VALUES, I HAVE NOTHING LEFT.

      • Patriot Missle

        Chris,
        Don’t despair buddy. You are correct when you say that the hatred has increased since the “Kenyan” has been in office..dictating… & he instigates racial separation continuously. I too like you believe there will be a race war, but don’t count yourself out by believing you will die fighting it. I sense that you have a strong will & that my brother in arms, will prevail over our enemies.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        THANKS, “Patriot Missle.”

      • TML

        If a race war ensues, I will support neither… not even mine own. Race is the most foolish reason next to religion to war over. Hatred breeds hatred and in the end, all lose.

      • Karolyn

        Amen,TML!

      • Bob

        Obama just stirs the pot what a racist bigot we have for a president. Wow

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        I really wish people would get off “its the President’s fault” crapola! Who do you think the President works for? The President’s only job is to mandate what his employer, “the money-masters” (Federal-Reserve) dictates. You have a problem with the President’s policies, then have it out with his employer!

      • http://www.facebook.com/pweiters9 Preston Weiters Jr.

        12/15/12, Well said, Chris. I see it everyday; lost colored people, union thugs, & Bam. I’m 65 & retired; America is definitely in decline. When it finally does fall, these zombie colored people will be the 1st expended. I fear for my kids, much less for my grands. This is the plan.

      • Charlie

        C A H,,,the race war has been going on for centuries ,it started way back in Noah time…
        Has God discriminated against His creation ??? What is the “Curse” of Adam?,,,BUT,,, God does NOT discriminate without “Cause”… Bust God’s Laws ,,,you will be busted at some time in your life, the “”Curses” as noted in The Holy Bible are what caused all of the “Races” … The lineage of Esau Edom are cursed forever, you can read that at Malachi 1:1–5… Esau’s brother Jacob and his lineage are blessed … Both are white ,primarily ,so, we have a white race war that has been going on for thousands of years…
        At the tower of babel ,God came down and “Cursed” the lineage of Japheth and Ham, it appears from World history that’s where the “Darkies” came from… Genesis 11 covers the tower of babel…. Any race war today , will be, between the Darkies and Lighties and many today are bastardized in the shady zone, such as Obama…
        NOW! The Bible says ,at , 1 Chronicles 16:13, that the Children of Jacob Israel are God’s
        Chosen people,,,these people are “The Supremacist”… SO? ,,, all you darkies ,,,BE AWARE THAT not all white or near white are supremacist ,,,but,,,may have as many “Curses” as any man on earth….BUT!!! those that are trying to obey the First 2 Orders of King Jesus Christ at Matthew 6:33, and are abiding in His Words, will be Victors ,,,no matter what your shade may be,,,BUT!!!,,, you shall know them by their fruits… Meanwhile.
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Charlie,”

        AS A “darkie,” I CAN NOT BE A “FULL Supremacist,” BUT, I AM AS CLOSE AS I CAN GET.

      • wandamurline

        Being 65, I lived through the Watts riots and the civil rights era. The KKK was made up of almost entirely Democrats who did not want the blacks to get equality and they killed and intimidated not only the blacks but the Republicans who were trying to help them achieve equality….this is history and you can look it up if you do not believe me. Dr. King worked hard at getting race relations better and even gave his life for that purpose that all men were created equal and that character not skin color should be the defining moment. Now we have a Muslim who uses his skin pigmentation as a shield to hid behind when he does something unconstitutional (ie bombing Libya without congressional approval, something anyone else would have been up on impeachment for) and Obama thinks nothing of using the blacks against the whites or the poor against the rich….he has taken down everything Dr. King died for….it is absolutely shameful. I am tired of the political correctness bullsh@t. It is time to stop this insanity.

      • tim orner

        What is truely tradgic about one four letter word, is the fact that it is a lie. There IS NO SUCH THING AS “RACE”. Sorry to dissapoint the baters of this unfortunate lie, and sorry to those who have used it as the wedge of death it has become, but we all came from the same original parents. The realization that one word has created so much division, hatred and death is a tradgety that has never had to happen. Yet in some way, we have all fallen prey to this lie, and sadly predudace is a part of to many of us. If there was ever one word that should be eliminated from the language of everyone, it is race. If there ever was a time that all human beings need to have their minds completely erased of this word, it is now. Though, this is wishful thinking on my part, until we realize that GOD truely did make all men equal, the ability of a President and many others baters, will be able to stir the pot to the point of revolution.
        One other point that needs to be realized, is the fact that, in this world there are two spiritual forces that are experienced by all of us every day. That is the spirit of good and evil. One ALWAYS fills the void of the other, when one or the other is neglected. Today, with all of the evil seeming taking over the good, many are asking, where is GOD, and why doesn’t he stop all of it. And yet, since 1965, when GOD was kicked out of the public school system, and the continued war that has continued to kick GOD out of all public life, we wonder why evil seemingly is taking over. I ASK ALL OF YOU? WHAT OBLIGATION DOES GOD HAVE TO MAN? WHAT OBLIGATION DOES MAN HAVE TO GOD? DOES THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS HAVE ANY OBLIGATION TO HIS CREATION? Until we realize that we owe all we have and are to GOD, GOD has NO obligation to protect any of us against the forces of evil. This is why we can all praise GOD, that the celebration of his coming to this earth as a baby, lived his life as an example for everyone, died on a cruel cross, though he was innocent of any wrong, and then proved himself to be the true GOD of all creation, by raising himself from death to life, and then through all that he did, now provides to all that put their faith and trust in Jesus Christ as their saviour, will spend eternity with GOD. Praise GOD from whom all blessings flow. GOD wants no one to perish. Believe in him, and KNOW that all the evil in this world is only temporary.

        MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Warrior

    This may open some eyes. Then again maybe not!

    http://www.youtube.com/v/F0sk4yGaEk8%26hl=en_US%26fs=1%26.

    • dan

      excellent find ,Warrior…he’s got ‘em pegged: slaves and savages
      An honest and informed citizen…and articulate !

    • Paul Wells

      Man, I have to say that guy really tells it like it is! Wow! Only trouble is, 99% of the individuals who really need to hear it, won’t. It surely does not fit in with the leftist, socialist agenda, and therefore he will be considered just another malcontent Uncle Tom.

      • Jeanette

        If a race war does begin, those who refused to pay attention and to prepare will simply end up being “culled from the herd.” Eventually, we’ll have a smarter population.

      • Flashy

        Paul … here’s what you need to read AND hear:

        The 2010 DOJ on Crime reports that the 49% of all murder or manslaughter arrests were of white individuals. 48% of murder or manslaughter arrests were of black individuals. In other words, if you are white, you are viewed as more likely being charged with manslaughter. if Black…murder.

        Consider the prevailing theory amongst criminologists (many who work for law enforcement). That the role of economics views crime as a natural response to inequality. Again, in other words, if you are poor, you’re likely to commit crimes such as robbery, theft, etc. Crime is the result of race- and class-motivated disparities as well as moral and emotional motivations.

        Consider this as well; in the early part of the 20th century, the highest crime rate and most dangerous area of NYC were mainly Jewish, Polish, and other Eastern European slums. In the mid and later 19th century, it was Irish. Today, wanna get robbed? go to the slums of Caracas, Bogota, Jakarta, Delhi etc etc. Guess what those areas have in common with our minorities. Hmmm poor, discriminated by race and class.

        Look at the school choices in those neighborhoods. Look at the training and jobs programs for those neighborhoods. Almost non-existent when compared to those available to non-black neighborhoods. Look at the hiring practices of employers. Again…if there were two identically qualified candidates for a job, the data shows the non-Black candidate will be offered the position over 70% of the time.

        I’m nt saying that we need to “correct” society. But we should take note of the existence, and really spend time thinking through what would be effective, what will work, what won’t…all within the context of not enabling, not stigmatizing, and not creating a continuance of the situation and causes.

        Doing nothing, or cutting aid and programs ensures but one thing…more of the same increasing in level and violence as the stress lines increases.

        That’s the question…

      • Paul Wells

        Flashy,
        I’m not sure who you are trying to convince, but my takeaway from the video is that young, disaffected black males who perpetuate being on the plantation by only looking at what free stuff they can get, had better pull themselves up by the bootstraps and join the rest of Americans working for what they have. It’s actually a call to action type video. Flashy, I’m sure you are aware, that any black male that wants to go to school, can. There are government programs out the wazoo to assist in education, job training, and support while they are taking steps to better themselves.

        The guy on the video is talking to those who perpetuate their poverty and refuse to break out of the cycle by continuing to make the same mistakes over and over, hoping for a different outcome! Young blacks need to turn their back on the culture of violence, drugs and hand outs and step up. That is truly when they will emerge from the shadows. Not continuing to vote for a man just because he’s black. The Good Lord gave them brains too, and it’s high time they starting using them!

      • Flashy

        Paul, what i tried to do is point out that dissing someone because they are poor doesn’t work anymore. Even race on race smack talk. It’s gone beyond that where we now have established informal red lining in class, education, jobs, and racism..

        Consider…Portland Oregon. Relatively low differences between the races as far as job, education etc. There remains a difference, but …

        What makes Portland a tad different than most cities over 1.5 million? There are no slums. Back in the mid 70′s, the Governor of Oregon pushed through strict statewide land use laws. Thus, Portland cannot grow outwards into ugly suburbia strip mall land. Fly into that city, and you see a very stark line. One side is housing and development, the other…farm and forest. It’s like that with every city, town and village in the state.

        Now, the developers, real estate agents, etc screamed bloody murder and forecast the entering of the dominions of socialism when those laws were pushed through. turns out..they were wrong. in almost every single point. Not commenting on the other benefits, what occurred in Portland was that as land became scarce to build on, the older run down areas became profitable to buy up, tear down, rebuild.

        Those residents were dispersed throughout the Metro area. There is inexpensive housing, but no clusters or ‘hoods of cheap housing. Black lived next to white, poor lived in more affluent areas. And the kids mixed with a healthier group atmosphere.

        that’s not to say there aren’t areas one shouldn’t go through at night unless they know what they’re doing. Around 185th SE you’d have to have the brains of an aardvark if you walked into a bar there with a Rolex watch on your wrist. But those areas are small, and not racially concentrated. It’s poor, uneducated, and the usual element of trash without regard to race.

        Which is the point I’m making. Whereas the article and vid concentrated on race etc…i’m saying it’s class, economic, and education.

      • Vicki

        Flashy writes:
        “Crime is the result of race- and class-motivated disparities as well as moral and emotional motivations. ”

        Crime is the result of moral and emotional training FAILURES. All the excuses created over the years do not change the root cause of crime.

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Vicki,

          You write: “Crime is the result of moral and emotional training FAILURES. All the excuses created over the years do not change the root cause of crime.” To get to the root, crime is the work of Satan. He is the source of all evil.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • Bill

        Flashy,
        At least you have identified yourself as a proponent of Agenda 21 in your gushing over Oregons planning.

        Why don’t you move to Portland and buy rental houses and offer them to the poor.

      • eddie47d

        Oh really! So does that mean slavery is accepted and the slaves can’t do anything about it. Generally most slave rebellions go down in tragedy and ends up in more slavery. That means they need help from the outside to put an end to it. To change people minds about right and wrong. Are you saying that the robber barons of the 1900′s could do as they please and the workers had to accept their impoverished fate? No they absolutely didn’t and they did strike back for decency in the work place and a fair working wage. We all have to be the change we want and must help each other to achieve any common goal.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Flashy,”

        YOUR INFORMATION ON THE CORRELATION BETWEEN CLASS/RACE AND CRIME IN URBAN AREAS IS THE REASON WHY WE ARE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT A RACE WAR.

        THE OTHER DAY, Sam Rolley TOLD US ABOUT THE GLOBAL SOCIO-ECONOMIC SHIFT FROM THE WEST TO “COLORED” AREAS, BY 2030.

        IF CAUCASIANS WERE “SMART,” THEY WOULD PLACE AN ABUNDANCE OF ENERGY IN EBBING BIRTHS IN HISPANIC-AMERICAN COMMUNITIES.

        AN EQUAL “SPLIT” AMONGST THE RACES MAY TAKE TOO LONG TO OCCUR; WHEN CAUCASIANS BECOME ABOUT SIXTY PERCENT OF THIS NATION’S POPULATION, CITIES LIKE CHICAGO, DALLAS, DETROIT AND HOUSTON WILL JOIN WASHINGTON-DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA AS BEING “HOTSPOT” AREAS FOR “black-on-white” CRIME. [CITIES LIKE ATLANTA, LOS ANGELES AND NEW YORK WILL BE "LATE TO THE PARTY" DUE TO THOSE "COLORED" RESIDENTS' ENTRENCHMENT IN MULTI-CULTURALISM].

      • Flashy

        Mr. Livingston, you write “To get to the root, crime is the work of Satan. He is the source of all evil.”

        Since Satan only exists in the christian sense, Satan worshippers having to have him/her exist before they could worship that deity, what if one is not a christian and outside of the christian belief system ?

        Crime is not based upon religion.

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Flashy,

          You write: “Since Satan only exists in the christian sense, Satan worshippers having to have him/her exist before they could worship that deity, what if one is not a christian and outside of the christian belief system ?” Irrelevant. Satan does not depend upon your belief system to exist.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • Flashy

        “At least you have identified yourself as a proponent of Agenda 21 in your gushing over Oregons planning.

        Why don’t you move to Portland and buy rental houses and offer them to the poor.” <— Bill

        Well Bill….living in Oregon, and owning property in the state, I'd say i live in what can only be seen as darn near Paradise. Fact is…there are only a few things in this state that would be regarded as immediate impeachment material for any politician trying to mess around. The 19 Land Use Goals being one. No sales tax being another, and no self serve being a third. All beaches and river banks are publicly owned, and no toll roads or DUI stops along the roads. Medical marijuana and a statewide health plan guaranteeing all a minimum of health care. It's also the state that came one vote short in the state legislature from having "Louie Louie" as its state song. Don't like it and don't want to support our vision? No problem…stay away.

      • TML

        Bob Livingston says, “To get to the root, crime is the work of Satan. He is the source of all evil.”

        :-/

        I like Vicki’s answer better.

      • Vicki

        Bob Livingston says:
        “To get to the root, crime is the work of Satan. He is the source of all evil.”

        Though this may well be true I carefully crafted my answer to be understood by people of any religion as I did not want to leave them behind. That decision is in the Hands of God.

      • TML

        :)

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Flashy,”

        YOU MISINTERPRETED YOUR OWN STATEMENT.

        YOU SAY, ” … 49% of all murder or manslaughter arrests were of white individuals. 48% of murder or manslaughter arrests were of black individuals. In other words, if you are white, you are viewed as more likely being charged with manslaughter. [i]f Black…murder.”

        “Flashy,” THAT IS NOT WHAT THAT STATISTIC MEANS. MAYBE, YOU LEFT “SOMETHING OUT.” AS YOU TYPED IT, THAT STATISTIC MEANS THERE ARE ONE PERCENT MORE “whites” COMMITTING HOMICIDE THAN, “blacks” – WITH NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN MANSLAUGHTER- AND MURDER CONVICTIONS.

    • Right Brain Thinker

      That’s why I posted this same link in a message to CAHorton on another thread. I’m afraid the two responses so far indicate that their eyes were not “opened” by his message. IMO, this guy wore the sunglasses because he couldn’t have looked the camera in the eye otherwise while spouting such horsepucky. He appears to be a black Rush Limbaugh and should be accorded the same level of “authority” as Rush.

      • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

        Maybe you need to use your left brain because I think the right brain is out looking for it.

      • Mikey

        If you look at some of Michael’s other videos, you’ll see he does not always wear sunglasses.

      • DaveH

        The usual ad hominem attacks from the Liberal Progressive Lizard Brain.

      • Paul Wells

        Not sure whether the right brain is out looking for the left brain, or whether it’s just “no brains”. Bird brain is more like it. Stop with the attacks, RBT. If you dispute the claims put forth in the video, do so with facts, else go elsewhere.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Mikey says, “If you look at some of Michael’s other videos, you’ll see he does not always wear sunglasses”.
        Maybe in his other videos he is not spouting as much horsepucky and is therefore not embarrassed to look the camera and the audience in the eye?

        And we are overwhelmed with intellectualism this morning—-I can hardly stand it:

        Mark Are Reynolds says, “Maybe you need to use your left brain because I think the right brain is out looking for it.”
        Ho Ho Ho, Mark—-do you take lessons in how to sound juvenile from DaveH?

        Paul Wells doubles down on Mark’ “wit” and says, “Not sure whether the right brain is out looking for the left brain, or whether it’s just “no brains”. Bird brain is more like it. Stop with the attacks, RBT. If you dispute the claims put forth in the video, do so with facts, else go elsewhere”
        Paul, if you would kindly point out a “fact” in Michael’s diatribe, I would be glad to make an attempt to “dispute” it. And if putting forth facts of any sort were a requirement for participation on this site, 3/4 of the posters would be gone—most of the posters here (like you) are just angry and frustrated right wingers that can’t deal with any “facts” but those they endlessly parrot to each other.

        And last and most certainly least, DaveH appears to say, “The usual ad hominem attacks from the Liberal Progressive Lizard Brain”.
        Dave conveniently overlooks the examples of ad hominem attacks provided by Mark and Paul as he attacks me in the same way, repeats his little mantra about liberal-progressives, and throws in the ever stupid “lizard brain”, thereby once again showing the world that he has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING OF IMPORTANCE TO CONTRIBUTE TO ANY INTELLIGENT DISCUSSION.

      • DaveH

        Thank you for being my best illustration of the Liberal Progressive mindset, LBT.
        Please keep posting.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Sure will, Dave, whenever I have a little time to spare from “real life”. Maybe if I keep posting, you will one day make an intelligent reply to me rather than endlessly repeating your “adolescent” name-calling and ad hominem attacks.

        Or have I burned you too many times and you’re afraid to face me? How about responding to my attack on your honesty regarding the use of the data from the Heritage Foundation about “economically free” countries and their unemployment figures? I’ve posted it twice now and on two different threads and you just “walk on by” it.

        Those of is with brains are coming to get you Dave, Ha Ha Ha, be afraid!

      • DaveH

        You mean you’ve actually posted some references, RBT? That’s news to me. Sorry, but I don’t read every one of your mostly personally attacking comments. Lucky for you, RBT, because I haven’t seen a legitimate rebuttal to any of my claims by you Liberal Progressives yet.
        I don’t know what you guys are thinking. The readers who are interested can easily research your claims and see you for the buffoons that you are.

      • DaveH

        Here’s another website for readers who want to know what the Socialists are pushing us towards. Learn what RBT and his fellow Liberal Progressive shills don’t want you to learn:
        http://www.freetheworld.com/2012/EFW2012-complete.pdf

      • Right Brain Thinker

        DaveH says: “Sorry, but I don’t read every one of your mostly personally attacking comments. You mean you’ve actually posted some references, RBT? That’s news to me”.
        Typically moronic Dave comment—-he doesn’t read my stuff yet he somehow feels qualified to assess it? And my stuff is “mostly personally attacking”? II wonder how many times Dave thinks he has to say that before it magically becomes true?

        Yes, Dave, I have included many “references” in my comments—-ideas and opinions and data—–things I have learned or read in a long life of reading and studying and right brain thinking—-things that are self-evident and can’t be rebutted even by those who “look them up” so they can rebut me. As opposed to some throw-off Mises reference that you think lends legitimacy to anything you say.

        Have you noticed that I often say things that people don’t rebut? Yeah,Yeah, I know that your sick little mind is composing an answer to that right now—-”Yeah, RBT, that’s because your adolescent ad hominem liberal-progressive rantings are illogical and nobody reads them and blah-blah-blah”. Dream on in your ignorance and self-delusion, Dave—-look at my responses to those who challenge what I say and see the truth.;

        DaveH also says, “Lucky for you, RBT, because I haven’t seen a legitimate rebuttal to any of my claims by you Liberal Progressives yet”.
        That’s because you never read or listen to anything we so-called L-P’s say to you, Dave. You are so busy listening to the voices in your head and congratulating yourself on what a genius you are that there’s no room for real thinking. I would say that someone amongst the L-P’s, as you like to call us, has rebutted 95+% of anything you have ever said that could be even remotely considered a “claim”. As I said, ignorance and self-delusion are bliss.

        DAveH says, “I don’t know what you guys are thinking. The readers who are interested can easily research your claims and see you for the buffoons that you are”
        Most of the readers on this site are here only to reaffirm their own beliefs, are motivated reasoners, and are uninterested in really looking at anything that challenges their deeply held and beliefs..

        DaveH says: “Here’s another website for readers who want to know what the Socialists are pushing us towards. Learn what RBT and his fellow Liberal Progressive shills don’t want you to learn”

        Dave then gives us a link to a 300+ page BOOK that he has given us NO evidence that he has even read and he wants to talk about “references” and “research’? Lord love a duck, Dave. Have you noticed that nearly all of your “contributions” are only one or two or three sentences? (everyone else has), and that they are mostly childish name calling?, and that they make no arguments that need referencing?, because it is self evident (a legal term) that you are a complete fool and “functionally illiterate”, as GALT likes to remind you of from time to time.

        A look at Dave’s “website” (actually a PDF file of the entire BOOK), reveals that it is right wing-nuttery about free markets and cites the CATO INSTITUTE as its ONLY U.S. affiliate. You know, the Cato Institute, the propaganda arm of the Koch Brothers? I have looked at too many of Dave’s references to be fooled into thinking that he is doing anything but wasting our time and “crowing” like a retarded rooster about his “genius” in locating such wonderful “sources” for us.

        I’LL ask you yet again, DAVE—WHAT ABOUT MY COMMENT RE:THE DATA YOU MISUSED FROM THE HERITAGE INSTITUTE ON “ECONOMICALLY FREE” COUNTRIES AND UNEMPLOYMENT? ARE YOU EVER GOING TO ANSWER MY ACCUSATIONS OF DISHONESTY ON YOUR PART?

        Let me remind you of your claim, Dave. YOU don’t get to determine what a “legitimate” rebuttal is, as much as you would like to do so. “Lucky for you, RBT, because I haven’t seen a legitimate rebuttal to any of my claims by you Liberal Progressives yet”. So, show us your stuff, Dave—-rebut my rebuttal.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Right Brain Thinker says:
        December 12, 2012 at 10:26 am

        This comment refers back to a post DaveH made on 12/11 at 11:55 AM on another thread.

        DaveH’s earlier posting said:

        “It’s instructive to look at the five countries which are the most Economically Free (Smallest Governments), as ranked by Heritage Foundation, and their Unemployment Rates:
        1) Hong Kong — 3.3%
        2) Singapore — 1.9%
        3) Australia — 5.2%
        4) New Zealand — 6.8%
        5) Switzerland — 3.1%

        and some countries which are the least Economically Free (Biggest Governments), and their Unemployment rates:

        171) Iran — 11.5%
        173) Burma — 4.9%
        174) Venezuela — 8.3%
        176) Libya — 13%
        178) Zimbabwe — 70%”

        And that’s it. Dave does not give us any conclusions, leaving us to wonder why this posting is important..

        DaveH does tell us that it will be “instructive” to look at a listing of countries that are the most and least “economically free” and their unemployment rates. Note that DaveH has used “instructive” rather than “informative”, which implies that he is trying to “teach” us something rather than provide us with information that we can analyze for ourselves, i.e., that Dave sees some “truth” in these figures that we all should just accept on his say-so.

        The first thing I asked myself when seeing DaveH’s “data” was “Where are the countries ranked #’s 172, 175, 177, and 179?”, and “Why has DaveH given us the ‘top five’ in order but reached up NINE places from the bottom to give us five of the worst”?

        A look at the raw data shows that the #172 Democratic Republic of the Congo and #175 Eritrea have no unemployment statistics available. So DaveH skipped them. OK, then why did he skip #177 CUBA and #179 NORTH KOREA? Surely their stats are more significant than those of Burma and Zimbabwe (the latter of which is so far out of whack that it should have never been used by Dave in the first place—I guess he couldn’t resist that 70%)

        Guess what?, Cuba has an unemployment rate of 1.6% and North Korea has an “official” rate of 0.0% (it would likely be higher if they counted all the folks in prison camps—-anyone who is not in jail in NK apparently has a job).

        If Dave HAD dropped Zimbabwe as he should have, and used the real “bottom five” for which data were available, he would have come up with an average unemployment rate of 5.6%, not that far above the average rate of 4.1% for the “top five” (and Libya skewed the bottom five more than a bit).

        Dave could also have told everyone that the range of “scores” for the top five was 81 to 90, that Canada ranked #6 with a score of 80, and that the U.S. ranked #10 with a score of 76. Not too shabby in a list of 179 countries, especially when the rather biased Heritage folks are doing the math..

        Am I accusing DaveH of doing a deliberately sloppy job of cherrypicking data and using that data to “instruct” us about a preconceived bias? Yep, I sure am. And that’s not even bringing up Dave’s misuse of the terms “economically free” and “big and small government” in this context. He is misleading you there also.

        Nor will I bring up GINI and income inequality numbers at this time. Also not the % of GDP devoted to government spending and the tax burden as a % of GDP. Dave should be embarrassed enough that he has been caught with his pants down this much—-we can see enough of the ugly warts on the half of his behind that serves him as a “brain without looking for more..

        I, unlike Dave, am a gentleman, and therefore won’t pile on. (Unless someone really wants to see the withheld data—it makes Dave look even worse).

        HERE YOU GO, DAVE—–YOU DON’T EVEN HAVE TO GO LOOK FOR IT NOW—-i’M NOW EAGERLY WAITING FOR YOUR REBUTTAL OF MY REBUTTAL OF YOUR “CLAIM”—-GO FOR IT!!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/WizardKiller Mark Are Reynolds

      WOW! A black man who GETS IT!

      • Mikey

        There are many blacks who get it, you just never hear about them by the MSM. Thank goodness for the internet.

    • DaveH

      Black people have been used as unwitting pawns by Sociopathic Politicians since the Civil War. We would have ended this race nonsense in the 19th century if not for Politicians seeking Power.
      Blacks thought they were delivered from slavery, and instead have been maneuvered by unscrupulous Politicians to deliver themselves and the rest of us right back into it.

    • eddie47d

      That guy in the video actually refutes Conservatives who continually say “Obama only caters to blacks” since Mike said “he doesn’t attend NAACP conventions” and such. Can’t knock some of what Mike said and a few blacks do need a wake up call. I have also seen some Conservatives who need a wake up call in stupidity. Mike also talked like a paid Republican shill because he sounds so much like a few comments around here.

      • DaveH

        Eddie, do you have a logical bone in your body? Even if you could cite some examples of Conservatives “continually” saying that “Obama only caters to blacks” (which I doubt), the fact that “he doesn’t attend NAACP conventions” would not contradict that at all.
        What an ignoramus.

      • eddie47d

        Pay attention Dave H. Try it sometime and see what folks are posting and what is being said. Your blinders are binding your skull!

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “Warrior,” “dan” AND “Paul Wells,”

      DO NOT BELIEVE THAT VIDEO; I HAVE SEEN IT.

      WHEN SOMEONE HAS “STRONG” VIEWS, BUT, HIDES BEHIND SUNGLASSES, THAT PERSON HAS NO STANDARD OF VALUE.

      THROUGHOUT MY LIFE, I HAVE BEEN RIDICULED BECAUSE OF MY VALUES AND WAY OF LIFE – YET, I “STAND FIRM.”

      IF NEGROES FIND SUCCESS, I AM HAPPY FOR THEM – I MERELY MADE THE CHOICE TO NOT BE A PART OF IT. IN PUBLIC LIFE, I HAVE TO “DEAL” WITH NEGROES [I am a musician]. ON THE OTHER HAND, THE MALE IN THIS VIDEO UTILIZED DEGRADING LANGUAGE IN HIS MESSAGE WHICH WAS A DIRECT “GIVE-AWAY” OF HIS INSINCERITY.

      • Mikey

        Christopher, don’t you think some of his language was intended to allow the people in the inner city neighborhoods to “identify” with him? Isn’t his terminology similar to street talk in some areas?

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Mikey,”

        NO!

        IF THAT MALE HAD USED THE “N-” WORD IN HIS COMMENTS, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU. THIS MALE SAID, “savages” AND “monkeys.” ANY NEGRO WHO HEARD HIM SAY THOSE WORDS WOULD IMMEDIATELY “SHUT-DOWN” AND NOT HEAR ANYTHING ELSE HE SAID.

        BECAUSE OF THE Scopes Trial DURING THE EARLY TWENTIETH-CENTURY, USE OF THE WORD, “monkey,” IN REFERENCE TO NEGROES CAN GET YOU KILLED.

      • Mikey

        Well, you would know better than I. However, I have noticed that when I am in the company of African-Americans, they often use racial slurs when addressing each other, clearly in jest. They use terminology amongst each other that I, as a European-American, wouldn’t dare use, for fear of insulting them.

      • DaveH

        That’s been my experience also, Mikey.
        In high school I was on the track team which was about 50% Blacks. On our bus trips, they would verbally cut each other to ribbons. That was their form of entertainment. Nothing serious ever seemed to come from it.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Mikey,”

        WHEN USED AMONGST THEMSELVES, THE “N-” WORD IS A TERM OF ENDEARMENT FOR, “blacks.”

        BECAUSE OF THE GROWING NUMBER OF CAUCASIAN-WITH-NEGRO INTIMATE RELATIONSHIPS AND FRIENDSHIPS AMONG YOUTH, NEGROES ARE – NOW – CALLING CAUCASIANS THE “N-” WORD BECAUSE MANY URBAN CAUCASIAN-YOUTH HAVE ADOPTED “black” BEHAVIORS – LIKE BRAIDING THEIR HAIR, WEARING HEAVY-GOLD CHAINS, LISTENING TO “black gangsta rap,” ETC.

        • http://pweiters9.wordpress.com pweiters9

          ……..And shooting up schools :(

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “DaveH,”

        WOW! – YOU ARE YOUNGER THAN I THOUGHT!

        I THOUGHT YOU WERE AN OLD MAN. BUT, IF FIFTY PERCENT OF YOUR TRACK TEAM WAS NEGRO, YOU MUST BE MY AGE [MID-FORTIES].

        “DaveH” – AS EVERYONE AT Personal Liberty Digest KNOWS – YOU ARE THE “TECHNICAL GURU.” YOU HAVE PRESENTED COMMENTARY ON POLITICAL HISTORYAND DOCTRINE, TAX-STRUCTURE, BOOKS/WEB-LINKS, ETC. SO “DaveH,” IF YOU LOOK LIKE YOUR COMMENTARY THE ANSWER IS, “NO” -YOU CAN NOT USE THE “N-” WORD IN THE PRESENCE OF, “blacks.” ON THE OTHER HAND, “DaveH,” IF YOU HAVE A “HIP-HOP” LOOK [like, a bald head] YOU MAY BE ABLE TO USE THE “N-” WORD IN THE PRESENCE OF “blacks,” IF THEY ARE COMFORTABLE WITH YOU.

      • Mikey

        You’re right Christopher. I have a nephew who frequently calls his black, Hispanic and even white friends “Nigga”. It seems to be a term of endearment among youth these days.

      • DaveH

        I have no desire to use the n-word, Christopher.
        I’m 63.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “DaveH,”

        SORRY, SIR.

        YOUR REPLY TO “Mikey” GAVE ME THE IMPRESSION YOU FELT “LEFT-OUT” OF THE COMRADERIE AMONGST YOUR NEGRO TRACK-MATES.

    • Charlie

      Warrior,,,The Negro on the video is smart enough to see things ,sins, for what they are in light of The Bible and American history… When Adam sinned, what did God do???
      See Genesis 3:11 for the First “Curse” put on the woman, the snake, and Adam…Next action of anger from God comes at the flood,,,see Genesis 6………….
      Then at Genesis 9:20—27 a cruse was called in by Noah on Ham’s son Canaan …
      So??? today , what humanoids have the most “Curses” on them??? Negroids and Edomites … SO? what group of People did King Jesus say He came for at Matthew 15:24??? Did King Jesus make a “discriminatory” statement at Matthew 15:24??????
      Meanwhile…………………
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      Charlie Freedom

  • http://theconservativecrawfish.wordpress.com reelman1946

    Hence the record private gun sales…

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “reelman1946,”

      LET US HOPE THE CAUCASIANS WHO ARE BUYING THESE GUNS HAVE A BIT OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT STREET FIGHTING. THIS RACE WAR WILL NOT BE LIKE THE OLD WEST – “Marshal Dillon” AND “Rifleman” ENGAGED IN “SHOOT-OUTS” WITH GENTLEMEN; THEY WOULD NOT LAST FIVE MINUTES WITH THESE FOOLS “ON-THE-STREET.”

  • Karolyn

    First of all, Bob’s wrong about the housing market here and in other places as well. My realtor friend is selling like crazy and Charlotte is having a new housing boom! As far as gangs taking over stores goes, that happened in Charlotte last year once. The police addressed the issue, and it has not happened since. That particular incident was over a holiday, and the cops have stepped up presence. I have also noticed a lessening of crimes being reported on local Charlotte news. Up to a couple of years ago it was really bad. As a matter of fact, I was shocked when I moved here over 7 years ago at the crime rate.

    I will never understand how someone can make a living out of bad news. There is so much good going on; but no, we shouldn’t hear about that. We might actually think that this country is not in as bad a shape as “they” say. It would certainly cut into the pundits pocketbooks if less people bought into the doom and gloom. Of course, I know that today is not the way it was when we were kids. However, that is ONLY because there are more people and we hear of EVERYTHING that happens. The more things change, the more they stay the same. I would have to say that a big part of the reason everything is such a mess is the fact that we keep being told everything is a mess and it is perpetuated.

    “As ye think, so shall ye be.” I am so thankful I am not a pessimist like most of the people who post here. If I was, considering some of the things I’ve been through in my life, I probably would have slit my own throat a long time ago. It’s a beautiful day! Do something for someone else! Bring a little joy to your day – the only day you have.

    • Paul Wells

      Nonetheless Karolyn, do not discount that the events Bob describes are happening in certain locations, and just be thankful you live where you live. Just cuz it ain’t happening on your block doesn’t mean it isn’t happening. Just ask Rahm Emmanuel in Chicago!

      • Karolyn

        But, Paul, why does nobody write about the efforts of grassroots organizations to try to change those situations? There was a show on TV called “Secret Millionaire” that had wealthy people living in poor areas for a few days on a few bucks. Their mission was to volunteer for local organizations working to fight crime, teen pregnancy, drugs, etc. and then donate large sums of money to them. Seriously, nobody writes about the troops of people fighting for their neighborhoods. The only ones to get the publicity is the negative element.

      • DaveH

        Good question, Karolyn. Why haven’t you talked about those rich people before who sacrifice self and wealth to help others?

      • Mikey

        Oh come on Dave, everyone knows that anybody who makes over 250k is inherently evil. Just ask a Democrat.

      • eddie47d

        Dave H should first find out if those millionaires are Liberal or Compassionate Conservatives. Dave H over the years hasn’t proved he’s compassionate about anything. Except supporting dubious Conservative deeds on Wall Street and Corporate boardrooms. .

      • DaveH

        I’m not the one, Eddie, who believes in Forcing my way on other people through Big Government or Unions. What next, are you going to defend Rapists for their compassion toward sexually deprived people?

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Karolyn,”

        MA’AM, JOURNALISTS DO NOT WRITE ABOUT [sic], ” … people fighting for their neighborhoods … ,” BECAUSE THE “FIGHT” IS ALMOST NON-EXISTENT.

        “Karolyn,” YOU CAN GO TO ALMOST EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD IN MEMPHIS AND SEE A, “Neighborhood Watch-” SIGN. BUT, THE CRIME RATES IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE NOT BEEN GREATLY AFFECTED BY THESE “WATCHES.” EVERYONE IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS IS AFRAID OF RETALIATION FROM CRIMINALS.

        • http://pweiters9.wordpress.com pweiters9

          12/15/12, Chris, enough w/the caps. If we (the US) can survive ’til Bam’s out of office, we might stand a Chinaman’s chance to recoup, ya’think? Then we can begin to repair what has come to be a colossal welfare (nofare) state.

    • czman75

      I will never understand how a person (such as yourself) can walk through life wearing rose colored glasses, sipping the kool-aid and be totally ignorant about what is happening to this Country!

    • Mike Austin

      You may not be a pessimist but will you be a victim? You do not sound like you are prepared. If you think you don’t need to be informed or prepared, I feel sorry for you when it does happen to you.
      I try to enjoy life and see things like the moon rise with Venus the other morning just before dawn. Beyond spectacular is the only way to describe it.
      But, I continue to listen and be aware of all things of this nature. I see it starting here in Austin,TX. I will not be a victim, nor will my family. Even if it requires the spilling of blood.
      All I am saying is the 2 can coincide. This is not a website for flowers and gardening. It is about making people knowledgeable so they may avoid a bad situation or maybe they can help make it just a little bit better.

    • DaveH
    • DaveH
      • DaveH

        Is this just another artificial Boom, which doesn’t look like a Boom as a result of the underlying bad economy, thanks to Federal Reserve money pumping? Are we then to expect even lower lows when this artificial Boom goes to Bust?
        The best that Government could have done is to butt out of the Marketplace and let the economy correct itself naturally. But then, since the creation of the Federal Reserve and heavy Government meddling, I guess that is expecting too much.
        The Last time that Government did the right thing:
        http://mises.org/daily/3788

      • Bill

        Dave H,
        Yes we have another real estate bubble going on fueled by low interest rates and FHA financing. FHA is currently experiencing a higher than normal default rate and at some point of sanity, the rates have to go up.

        Whenever you have govt meddling in the real estate market you extend the pain. Instead of taking the pain, letting the market correct and getting back to a normal market

      • Flashy

        ” FHA is currently experiencing a higher than normal default rate” <— Bill

        Bill, do you know what the "normal" FHA rate of default is for FHA loans? And the "higher than normal' rate of default you speak of…how much higher? Do you know or is this some blurb you picked off the 'net and are blowin' smoke

      • Bill

        Flashy,
        Do your own investigations, Flashy, you are a big boy. FHA financing has gotten out of control. Prior to the community reinvestment act having teeth, FHA financing was a way for the less fortunate to buy a house. But the limits were always lower than the medium price range. After the bubble burst, FHA raised their limits to as high as $700,000 in some areas which is creating another bubble.

        When people have less “skin in the game” it creates a feeding frenzy and raises prices.

        So, instead of attacking me because it is something you do not want to hear, do some research and you might learn something.

        Better yet, buy some real estate with FHA financing.

      • Flashy

        Sure Bill…didn’t think yuou’d have those figures on hand, but wanted to check.

        FHA default rates. if you had examined them closely, you’d see that the majority of those defaulting were loans made pre-2009. In other words, walk aways are continuing. As well, the “shadow market” of banks holding off foreclosures and tapping the FHA monies are starting to ratchet up as values in some areas are coming back.

        As you know 9or should if you’re going to yap about FHA)…the MIP was raised this summer to 1.75, and credit scores are in the 640 range these days for FHA approval. Since most of the FHA loans are at 96.5 LTV, two months seasoned reserves are required.

        Now…the “higher than normal” default rates. take out those pre-2009 loans and the shadow market dumping back onto the market…guess what that default rate is?

        Next time you want to discuss housing and the lending industry, best not rely on shallow pap off a ‘net article…

      • Bill

        Flashy,
        I get my info from being an active real estate investor over the last 30 years. Myself and my friends saw the collapse coming in 2005 and sold all of our investments. I found some properties that made sense in 2010 and 2011 but prices have gone up in 2012 with no solid bases of value to support them.

        As you know, (because you keep telling us how smart you are) real estate prices are related to local incomes. For prices to rise, and not be in a bubble, incomes have to rise, but they are not

        So, I will sit out this current bubble and only buy properties when the numbers make sense.

        Good luck with your investing, Flashy

      • Bill

        Flashy,
        It was the Wall Street Journal that reported that the FHA could exhaust it reserves due to rising delinquencies. That would result in the agency drawing on taxpayer funding for the first time in 78 years.

        There goes your buddies again, screwing up another govt program that used to work great.

      • eddie47d

        Yes Bill but why did those slick Banksters dump their losses on the Federal Government. They are so darn good at gaming the system and still come out of the Port O Potty smelling like a petunia!

      • DaveH

        Flashman says — “Next time you want to discuss housing and the lending industry, best not rely on shallow pap off a ‘net article”.
        Surely you jest, Flashman. What should we do — take the word of a shill who’s known to have no credibility?

      • DaveH

        For those who are smart enough not to take Flashman’s word about anything:
        http://fhamortgagemag.com/2012/02/fha-lists-50-counties-with-highest-default-rates/

      • DaveH

        Flashman says — “Now…the “higher than normal” default rates. take out those pre-2009 loans and the shadow market dumping back onto the market…guess what that default rate is?”.
        Why take out the pre-2009 loans? What has that got to do with anything?
        What we need to take out is the snow-job from you, Flashman. Do you really think your double-speak impresses anybody, Flashman?
        And as usual no references from the guy who knows he can’t find any to support his nonsense.

      • Bill

        Flashy,
        You are wrong about FHA. The funding fee that is added to the loan amount was raised to 1.75% and the MIP was raised to 1.25%. They raised those fees due to rising delinquencies.

        Get your facts straight before you start talking housing and lending.

      • Bill

        Dave H,
        What are your thoughts on the real estate market when mortgage rates start rising?

      • Flashy

        “You are wrong about FHA. The funding fee that is added to the loan amount was raised to 1.75% and the MIP was raised to 1.25%. They raised those fees due to rising delinquencies. Get your facts straight before you start talking housing and lending.” <— Bill

        Errrrr…hate ta be the one to break it to you Bill, but what you refer to as a 'funding fee' isn't. Under the recent changes brought about by Dodd-frank, 'funding fees' are severely restricted and not used by any government sponsored loans.

        Whjat you mistakenly refer to as a "funding fee"…ain't. It's the upfront MIP charged to the principle of the loan. It applies to all FHA guaranteed loans. What you cite as "MIP" is the annual Mortgage Insurance premiums and is based upon the Loan to value of the mortgage. It goes as high as 1.25 for loans over 95% LTV and as low as 0.60 for smaller LTV loans, going away with LTVs less than 78%. .

        As to Davey boy's question why discount pre-2009 loans and the shadow inventory when calculating FHA's numbers, because Davey, those loans will work out of the system in a few more years and no longer be burdening the FHA cash flows. When someone tosses out the "FHA will be broke" theme, invariably they're counting those higher than normal defaults from the yet to be reported shadow inventory and the pre-2009 loans…both of which are temporary. Jeesh…you never think do you….

        Bill..I wouldn't be fretting much, housing will come back slowly, steadily, and solidly. The areas i'd fret about in the short term are those areas and homebuyer relying heavily on USDA financing usually in the areas also having Downpayment Assistance Programs (DAPs) available via local government agencies and non-profits.

        You caution about having facts straight before talking housing and lending. So..you have your facts straight now?

      • DaveH

        With the new home sales rising, even in the face of rising defaults, there is little doubt in my mind that we’re in the middle of another Federal Reserve created Bubble just waiting to burst and drive our economy ever lower. I would stay away from the housing market even though housing is a traditional hedge against inflation.

      • DaveH

        Flashman says — “As to Davey boy’s question why discount pre-2009 loans and the shadow inventory when calculating FHA’s numbers, because Davey, those loans will work out of the system in a few more years and no longer be burdening the FHA cash flows”.
        Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow.
        Pre-2009 loans will work their way out of the system in a few more years? What were they, Flashman — 5 year loans?
        Shadow Inventory? Methinks that Flashman looks up some big words and puts them together in sentences like double-speaking BS artists are inclined to do (Shadow Inventory being homes that are either in foreclosure or being held off the market by owners for other reasons).
        Neither the age of the loan nor “shadow inventory” have anything to do with Bill’s original statement about the default rate increasing, and everything to do with Flashman’s propensity to tell tale tales.

        Tell us your sniper story again, Flashman.

    • Bill

      Ah, Karolyn,
      Ignorance is bliss

    • DaveH

      Are you dissing us, Karolyn, for not tip-toeing through the tulips with you? Get used to it, Flower-Child.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skU-jBFzXl0

    • Pam

      Karolyn, my daughter works in Charlotte. Don’t kid yourself. There is still a lot of crime going on such as what the article states. My daughter, who works in a woman’s retail store in an upscale mall 30 mi. north of Charlotte, has dealt with numerous thefts by blacks working in teams who start their thieving in the South of Charlotte and then come up to the North and continue their spree. It is still happening. When the manager spotted one of the thieves and alerted her sales associates to be on the lookout for the rest of the crew, the thief overheard and brazenly started shouting discrimination, due to her skin color, and created a scene to distract from their attempt to steal thousands of dollars of clothing.

      Yes, it is good to have a positive attitude, but that doesn’t mean we don’t face reality. And just because a friend of yours is doing well selling real estate does not mean business is booming again. I have lived here in Charlotte for 8 years now and construction is minimal and no where near what it was when we first moved here, and it is a direct result of what is happening in our economy. My husband works for Bank of America and does loan restructuring and is very informed with what is going on in these markets together with having friends in the real estate and construction businesses all over the country, and it is just a matter of time before things hit bottom again.

      It’s not about just pointing out negatives, it’s about being in reality and seeing the writing on the wall. This president’s policies are destroying our economy and there is no hope for things getting better unless there is a complete change moving away from the economically and morally bankrupt ideologies of socialism/communism, which is not going to happen under this president. These belief systems have never worked to promote any kind of freedom, and if you look at countries that have utilized the ideas that he is promoting, you will see that it not only destroys them economically but it destroys them morally and leads to a totalitarian dictatorship. If you don’t believe that’s where we’re headed, I suggest you do some research on socialism and communism and see the truth behind what I’ve said. The stoking of class warfare, which has been a tool of Obama and his administration, is being promoted in order to destroy Capitalism, which has made the USA the most prosperous and free country in the history of the world. All of the factors that this article addresses are valid and will continue to worsen under this president.

      • S.C.Murf

        Pam, big K got a new pair of rose colored glasses for a early Christmas present that’s why she see’s things differently. It is good to have a positive outlook as you look out at the crowd around you. Be happy but watchful

        up the hill
        airborne

  • Louis Lemieux

    If I were reading only mostly what Bob Livingston and people of his ilk have to say about politics and the economy, I have this feeling I would be heading into a mental depression. Luckily my readings on the subject are quite diverse and I understand very well their main point of view is in the minority and will remain so for many decades to come.

    • DaveH

      Not everybody has their Blinders super-glued on, Louis.

      • Mikey

        I think he had them surgically attached!

  • Fedup

    Karolyn and Louis, your heads are in the sand…

    • Louis Lemieux

      Here’s what I read this morning from the international news agency Reuters: “U.S. states are coming close to the end of a three-year trek back to the financial prosperity they enjoyed before the recession.“

      • Paul Wells

        Really, Louis? I didn’t know California was back in the black. They’ll be so happy to hear that! I live in Kansas, and we are in the black. There are a few other mid-western states that are in the black, and in fact have rounded the corner. That is cause for celebration. The trouble seems to lie on the east coast and the west coast…hmmm…why *is* that, do you suppose?

      • Louis Lemieux
      • Jay

        you believe that, right?

      • Hedgehog

        Louis, try reading RT. You’ll get a more accurate slant on what is going on in the world. But a word of warning, pay attention to the datelines.

      • Louis Lemieux

        Hedgehog,

        I’ve always been interested in foreign newspapers, now there’s so much on the internet I rarely read newspapers anymore. I can hold a conversation in three languages and I can read and understand a few more. Needless to say today without the internet I would be sad.

    • Karolyn

      Honestly, what good does it do you to listen to and read bad news and then spread it? I know bad news sells, but come on! There are more conservative bloggers online complaining than anyone else. Seriously, when i try to search issues, all that come up are page after page of conservative whiners and complainers. Conservative sites must outweigh liberal ones by 5 to 1! What a sad way to live – only looking at what’s wrong with the world.

      • czman75

        Bad news is abundant and a reality, good news is rare commodity. That is why most of what is broadcast is bad news.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Karolyn says: “Seriously, when i try to search issues, all that come up are page after page of conservative whiners and complainers. Conservative sites must outweigh liberal ones by 5 to 1!”

        I’m not going to do a study on it but Karolyn might want to up that ratio to 20 to 1. The circular firing squad endlessly repeats and recycles the same horsepucky, often quoting each other and patting each other on the back for being so “perceptive”. It’s called “groupthink” and “solidarity” and “I’m not the only one that believes this”, and it’s all more than a bit delusional.

        It has been a while since I mentioned “The Republican Brain” but motivated reasoning, cognitive dissonance, confirmation bias, and disconfirmation bias are rampant on the “conservative” sites. It used to be that one could find some rational conservative arguments on the web fairly easily, but that is no longer the case. I myself believe that there are “hired guns” (paid for by Rove and the Koch brothers et al) whose job it is is to try to bury the truth so deeply under horsepucky that it can’t be found. And to give the motivated reasoners something to cling to. DaveH on PLD is a prime example. Even though he accuses the “liberal-progressives” of being paid “government shills”, he must laugh all the way to the bank with his pay check.

      • DaveH

        Lizard Brain has a DaveH fetish.
        And no wonder. I speak logic and facts, and I post back-up references when appropriate. While Lizard Brain and his Liberal Progressive cohorts are doomed to emotionally charged conjecture, fallacious arguments, personal attacks, and no backup references because there is no real support for the nonsense they post. They are merely witting or unwitting tools for the 1% (the State and their Pals) who are taking advantage of the rest of us with their Big Government Gang.

      • DaveH

        What is a Conservative, Karolyn?

      • Mikey

        I was once a liberal Democrat. After life experiences showed me the illusion of the leftist utopia, and I had to work for what little I have, I grew up. I saw the logic and reality of the conservative perspective.
        I know many who, like me, read and learned more about how the world works, and became conservative. I don’t know of anyone who went the other way: logical conservative to emotional liberal.

      • DaveH

        Read this to see where our country came from:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/Conceived%20in%20Liberty_Vol_2.pdf

        As it turns out, Serfdom is the common human condition. We had a 70-year experiment with Real Freedom in this country but thanks to people like Karolyn (naive, head in the sand) it didn’t last long. We have reverted back to the usual historical condition of a small percentage of Leaders Lording over the rest of population.

      • http://WWW.ASSY4AMERICA.COM PJ the PATRIOT

        Karolyn, I have lived long enough to know the difference between a pessimist and a realist. Get a clue! LIBERALS ARE LIARS, PROGRESSIVES ARE PREVARICATORS, and SOCIALISTS WILL DO OR SAY ANYTHING (MOSTLY FALSE) TO PUSH THEIR UN-NATURAL, IGNORANT, AND SELF-DESTRUCTIVE AGENDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • mark

        Yeah DaveH, right. And in your 70 golden years of “real freedom” one-sixth of the population were slaves! Actual human beings bought, sold, bred, and worked at zero wages – like livestock! That was your 70 years of Real Freedom! I’m sure you and all your libertarian pals would love to go back to those golden days but there is a better chance of camels flying than of that ever happening again.

      • eddie47d

        That is so true Karolyn. I went to look something up last month and there were 3 solid pages of right wing balderdash. Finally on the 4th page I found the statistics I was looking for. Nothing on the previous pages showed any facts or statistics just the usual talking heads. What a shame that so much DisInformation can make people believe its all true because its time consuming digging up hard core facts.

      • Vicki

        mark says:
        “Yeah DaveH, right. And in your 70 golden years of “real freedom” one-sixth of the population were slaves!”

        As opposed to today where 9/10 of the population ARE wage slaves?

      • daniel

        Karolyn, I am sorry but I am getting tired of sunshine being blown up my backside. If things were getting better food banks would not be growing in need. I know i work one. We would not have so many people out of work. I check the real numbers not the government okayed propaganda. Look at the Market. Outside of it being down it is useful to know the volume has been at historical lows. That means the money is concentrated into even less hands than before. What you are calling bad news now will be considered good in a very short while.

      • DaveH

        mark says — “Yeah DaveH, right. And in your 70 golden years of “real freedom” one-sixth of the population were slaves! Actual human beings bought, sold, bred, and worked at zero wages – like livestock!”.
        Yes, mark, that was wrong. But actual slave ownership was usually by the very people who promoted Big Meddlesome Government. So what’s your point? You’d learn that if you’d read the book instead of shooting off your negative comments.
        And how do past wrongs excuse the current wrongs of enslaving the citizens to Big Government, mark? No matter how you Liberal Progressives wish, two wrongs still do not make a right.

      • DaveH

        mark says — “I’m sure you and all your libertarian pals would love to go back to those golden days”.
        What part of Libertarianism, mark, endorses slavery? Why do you make such profoundly ignorant statements? The Libertarians are the only ones who fight hard against such issues as slavery. Unlike you, mark, we aren’t hypocrites. We don’t bad mouth slavery and then enslave people like you Liberal Progressives do, mark.

      • eddie47d

        Then that would include George Washington, Thomas Jefferson (600 slaves owned) and Southern Aristocrats who endorsed meddlesome big government.

      • mark

        Sorry DaveH, but the owners of slaves were believers in small government, states rights, free enterprise, no government tariffs. They feared a strong central government backed by the the Republicans and their predecessors, the Whigs, might use that government to interfere with or even abolish slavery which they viewed as simply another capital input in their cultivation of cottton, tobacco, and rice within the free market system. Slaveholders were dedicated capitalists. In fact a strong argument can be made that the morally reprehesible system of plantation slavery as practiced in the Altantic World of the 16th-19th centuries created modern capitalism. The huge profits made from the slave-generated production of lucrative staple crops such as sugar, coffee, tobacco, and cotton created the huge masses of capital that later fueled the Industrial Revolution and the creation of the modern capitalist system. The kidnapping, mass exploitation, and working-to-death (especially in the Caribbean) of Africans under constant terror and violence was the Original Sin that birthed modern capitalism.

        http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-24/how-slavery-led-to-modern-capitalism-echoes.html

      • DaveH

        Eddie,
        Do you have any references to back up your claim that Jefferson had 600 slaves?
        I call that Bull Scat.

      • eddie47d

        Don’t know much about history do you Dave H so you like to call people out. That information is in books and also in the Oct. Smithsonian History Magazine. So much for your Bull Scat! Jefferson was also adamantly against slavery in 1776 but changed his mind within a few years. The hot item of the day was nail making but he also grew Tobacco and wheat and had hundreds of acres of land.

      • DaveH
      • phideaux

        eddie you are half wrong and half right. Jefferson owned a total of about 600 slaves over his lifetime but only had 200+or- at any one time.

      • DaveH

        mark says — “Sorry DaveH, but the owners of slaves were believers in small government, states rights, free enterprise, no government tariffs”.
        Okay, Folks, time to take off the Propaganda blinders and think for yourselves. What makes more sense — that people like mark, who believe that your money is there’s for the taking by Big Government, would be okay with the morally reprehensible deed of enslaving other human beings? Or that people like me, who respect your ownership of your money and the time and effort that it took for you to earn it, would accept the enslaving of other people? The answer is obvious.
        From “Conceived in Liberty” by Murray Rothbard:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/Conceived%20in%20Liberty_Vol_2.pdf
        From page 58:
        “An increased use of slave labor after 1670 widened the gulf between the planters and the small farmers. The ruling planters, naturally enough, aspired to the life of the English country nobility”.

        Get it? Ruling Planters? In early America the large planters established oligarchys from which the small farmers and common folks were generally excluded”.

      • DaveH

        Did Lincoln really stand for abolition of Slavery? Of course not. He was a Politician doing what Politicians do — anything that feathers their own nests:
        http://mises.org/misesreview_detail.aspx?control=207

      • DaveH
      • DaveH

        More on what the War of Aggression against the Southern States was really fought over:
        http://mises.org/daily/5248/Why-the-Terrible-Destruction-of-the-Civil-War

      • DaveH

        mark says — “Slaveholders were dedicated capitalists. In fact a strong argument can be made that the morally reprehesible system of plantation slavery as practiced in the Altantic World of the 16th-19th centuries created modern capitalism”.
        Slavery no more defines capitalism than Liberal Progressives define “compassion”, mark.
        Capitalism is a system whereby Individuals have strict property rights and trade voluntarily with one another. Anything other than that has nothing to do with the concept of Capitalism. You are just a typical Liberal Progressive misinformer, mark.

      • DaveH
      • Vicki

        eddie47d says:
        “Then that would include George Washington, Thomas Jefferson (600 slaves owned) and Southern Aristocrats who endorsed meddlesome big government.”

        Do you know what the word “usually” means?

      • eddie47d

        Vickie: Your worst than Clinton and his I didn’t have sex comment. Picky picky picky. Yes you USUALLY like to argue about the nuttiest things but heck so do I.

  • mark

    Time to suit up, stock up, and secure your property.

  • LESNC

    My town is about 35 percent black but crimes reported in newspaper there are about 5 times more blacks than whites.

    • Paul Wells

      Oh, you’ll be called out for being racist for reporting facts like that. Uncomfortable truths. Of course, there will also be those saying that’s racial profiling. Honestly…we can’t fix stupidity, and that is what we are up against.

  • http://www.facebook.com/thomas.robinson.948011 Thomas Robinson

    Wow, Bob, you’d think that you’ve over looked violence like Columbine,Virginia Tech, and Colorado theater massacres as a type of terror to indicate the collapse of America’s precious liberty and civility. If you fear blacks in the inner city more than those growing incidents then you should get your head out of the sand.

    • czman75

      Incidents, like you those you mentioned, are rare and can be counted on two hands, in a years time.
      The events in this article happen every day, ten fold, and are too numerous to even report all. Civility and Liberty are going the way of the dinosaur, thanks to this prez and his administration.

      • http://www.facebook.com/thomas.robinson.948011 Thomas Robinson

        Rare, huh well it happened again today in Newton C. Even before I could get the words onto this comment another school shooting happened. So, this is relative to our existence in places we believe are safe. The places where Bob Livingston describes are places none of us expect to be safe and that’s in the inner cities and urban centers where poverty and violence are sadly common but many of the people he talks about (white people) don’t even belong in those areas and have no reason to frequent them so what is it all about.

      • http://www.facebook.com/thomas.robinson.948011 Thomas Robinson

        Bob, families are hurting right now and I don’t want to belittle the point of their grief. But when a black man kills someone he’s a menace to society, when a foreign man kills someone he is considered a terrorist. What do you call a white man when he massacres many people at once. I suggest that you like most would just call him mentally disturbed or psychologically unstable. Sad for you they should all be classified the same.. Sinful and evil killers.

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Thomas Robinson,

          You write: “But when a black man kills someone he’s a menace to society, when a foreign man kills someone he is considered a terrorist.” These are your labels.

          You write: “What do you call a white man when he massacres many people at once. (sic) I suggest that you like most would just call him mentally disturbed or psychologically unstable.” It depends upon the circumstances.

          You write: “Sad for you they should all be classified the same.. Sinful and evil killers.” Perhaps with better punctuation I would understand your statement and be in a position to respond.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Thomas Robinson,

      You write: “Wow, Bob, you’d think that you’ve over looked violence like Columbine,Virginia Tech, and Colorado theater massacres as a type of terror to indicate the collapse of America’s precious liberty and civility.” I wouldn’t think that. You might, but you’d be wrong. The difference is that Columbine, VT and Aurora were all likely false flags staged by NGOs and carried out by patsies to advance the gun control/police state agenda. I wrote about the theater massacre here. http://personalliberty.com/2012/07/30/the-false-flag-gun-grab/ The others occurred before I started this site, so there is no link for them. You can, however, use your favorite search engine to find out more about them, if you dare. They are definitely indicative of the collapse of America’s “precious liberty.”

      You write: “If you fear blacks in the inner city more than those growing incidents then you should get your head out of the sand.” I don’t fear for myself because I avoid the inner city and when I’m out I’m prepared for any eventuality. However, I fear for those who can’t avoid the inner cities and don’t go out in public prepared.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • http://www.facebook.com/thomas.robinson.948011 Thomas Robinson

        Well Bob its no surprise to me that another tragic incident like the ones I described happened today not long after I wrote this comment. Newton CT a place that isn’t supposed to be dangerous has become a place where your precious innocence and liberty have once again been threatened. You obviously won’t see that these are the types of terrorist attacks that threaten our society more than the one you describe in black neighborhoods.. But I expect massacres like these don’t shock you and you’d be more apt to continue to support your limited views to cite blacks as the only ones that threaten our civil liberty and personal liberty. I would expect you to be that subjective.

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear Thomas Robinson,

          You write: “Well Bob its no surprise to me that another tragic incident like the ones I described happened today not long after I wrote this comment.” You are correct in that another “tragic incident” has occurred. Let’s let some of the details sort out and not jerk knees over the circumstances. We can all agree it is a horrible, horrible crime.

          You write: “You obviously won’t see that these are the types of terrorist attacks that threaten our society more than the one you describe in black neighborhoods.” Life in the “black neighborhoods” is just as precious to me as life in whitebread Connecticut. I’m not sure I understand what you are getting at.

          You write: “But I expect massacres like these don’t shock you and you’d be more apt to continue to support your limited views to cite blacks as the only ones that threaten our civil liberty and personal liberty. I would expect you to be that subjective.” You “expect” incorrectly, and obviously are not familiar with my writings. Please quote for the me the line(s) in which I stated blacks were “the only ones that threaten our civil liberty and personal liberty.” I suggest you go back and reread the column with clear eyes.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • DaveH

        Newton, Connecticut?
        How odd. They’re one of the few states left that doesn’t have shall-issue concealed carry laws:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States#Shall-Issue

        That shooter was a law-breaker!

      • DaveH

        Thomas says — “You obviously won’t see that these are the types of terrorist attacks that threaten our society more than the one you describe in black neighborhoods”.
        They are? According to MotherJones.com:
        http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-map
        “Since 1982, there have been at least 62 mass murders”. The number killed in the sprees was about 1000 people total over a period of 30 years. So about 33 people per year were killed in mass shootings.
        Now compare that to the number of people that are killed in black on black killings (any weapon) each and every year. For instance, according to the Blaze:
        “A 2007 special report released by the Bureau of Justice Statistics, reveals that approximately 8,000 — and, in certain years, as many as 9,000 African Americans are murdered annually in the United States. This chilling figure is accompanied by another equally sobering fact, that 93% of these murders are in fact perpetrated by other blacks. The analysis, supported by FBI records, finds that in 2005 alone, for example, African Americans accounted for 49% of all homicide victims in the US — again, almost exclusively at the hands of other African Americans”.

      • DaveH

        Before the anti-gun crowd chimes in I will make this preemptive strike:
        http://gunowners.org/op052609cb.htm
        “The vast majority of multiple victim public shootings occur in so-called “gun-free” zones”.

      • DaveH

        According to the Brady Campaign, Connecticut has the 5th strongest gun-control laws in the US:
        http://www.bradycampaign.org/xshare/stateleg/scorecard/2011/2011_Brady_Campaign_State_Scorecard_Rankings.pdf

        Add to that the fact that schools are gun-free zones. All that does is to disarm the victims.

  • Martin Sullivan

    Knowledge is a sword that stands ready to protect the aware. It’s cutting edge can nulify evil actions or be used to cut firewood to keep loved ones warm. Either way, it has a use that extends life. History has proven that the lack of knowledge can be fatal. I choose life.

  • http://www.davidlerickson.com David

    As usual, this thread blames the “Obama economy’ for the violence of youth, rendering anything posted by the column writer as so partisan as to be worthless and any points made, questionable in the least. Let us not forget that the seeds of our economic collapse began during the Reagan years and escalated with the mind bending policies of W and his partner in crime, Dick Cheney, aided by a Congress bought and paid for by the big players.

    The writer also forgets the huge escalation in youth violence during the 70′s when metal detectors and armed police were introduced to inner city schools. That violence subsided in the 80′s to the point where it no longer was front page news.

    Political partisanship stupidness is what’s to blame for our ills, fueled by pseudo-conservative fundamentalists and the rise of pseudo-conservative talk radio with all it’s hate speech and and demeaning. Dumb**s people buy this crap and vote accordingly.

    Conservatives absolutely must abandon the distorted and dysfunctional ideology that has become the hallmark of the Republican party and liberals must accept the fact that the Republicans do have a few good ideas.

    • DaveH

      So David whines about Obama being blamed for the economy over which he presides, but then proceeds to blame presidents who are no longer in charge. Do you Liberal Progressives ever accept responsibility for ANYTHING, David?

      • Mikey

        Anyone who uses the word “responsiblilty” is clearly a racist…..(sarcasm intended).

    • Paul Wells

      Yah, it’s always the Conservatives who must change. It’s never the full of malarky socialist progressives that are grinding us into the dirt, and driving our economy off the cliff with their inane spending who should be called on to change. Sure, blame the productive. That’s always a good game. David, wake up!

    • Right Brain Thinker

      Since WTS(Jay) seems to have cooled off and is making sense with his posts and JeffH is also doing better, I am going to name a new Three Stooges team. The irreplaceable DaveH is of course still team captain. His new team mates are Mikey and Paul.

      Ignorance and self-delusion are bliss—-long live the Stooges!

      • alpha-lemming

        Not to be out done of course by the 4 Marx Brothers……

        RBT, Flushy, “Special ED(die)” and Karl…….

      • DaveH

        It must be like pulling teeth for you to make a comment without a personal attack, RBT.
        But please keep posting. You are no doubt making converts for our cause faster than we can.

      • Mikey

        Can I be “Curly”….nuck nuck nuck

    • eddie47d

      Maybe Dave H it is because the Obama bashers strictly blame everything on him without considering where the fault line was drawn. Most on this site do exactly what you are condemning David of doing. There were even commenters on the right in 2009 that said Iraq was started by Obama and that Obama started the crumbling housing market. Not even close but that was accepted as fact.

      • DaveH

        Please cite some examples of anybody on this board blaming Obama for anything he hasn’t participated in, Eddie.

      • eddie47d

        You’ll have to dig through the PLD files yourself Dave H. Maybe you ought to read all the articles every day and really see what folks are saying. Then you would be up on things!

  • Jamie

    old 7 irons make great walking canes as well as self protection.
    Mothers of their teens/ Children are to blame for their learned at home actions.
    knowing the same Parents are to blame for placing the Other Chaos maker in the WH ,
    so now we all have to deal with making an eatin Pancakes, after getting phaqed as bad as we are in the no Jobs dept.along with Failed Business cannot work or hire either.
    Housing Dept.only Bank employees and Gov employees get it all.
    would you like a silver platter with that ?, gee welfare.gets HUD to raise more thugs
    all this Chaos
    just bcuz the worlds a three ring Circus and its leader Has one more amazing feat before the end of the show. and were just waiting to hear the BB phat Lady sings we hope You liked the show. while the thugs pass the hat looking for your donations or tax man in training

  • mark

    This whole article is a typical exaggeration and appeal to fear. Our society, for all its problems, provides a much more orderly and safe environment for the vast majority of its citizens than a place like Syria that is enduring the worst horrors of the Arab Spring. The overwhelming racial background of victims of African-American crime are, in fact, other African-Americans. If you are white, you are far more likely to be a victim of gun violence and murder from a fellow white family member or white husband or boyfriend than you are to become of victim of black street violence.

    • Paul Wells

      Mark, the quickest way for our country to turn INTO Syria, is for us to continue on the path we’re on. No one is saying it’s as bad as Syria, and probably for a long time it’s been unsafe to go into certain areas of the inner city. But if you don’t tell the truth about what is happening, and have a bunch of people standing around saying “Oh, they’re exaggerating”, you will fail to realize how bad it’s gotten, with no room for improvement. The purpose isn’t to bring anyone down, it’s to prepare. So…prepare!

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear mark,

      You write: “Our society, for all its problems, provides a much more orderly and safe environment for the vast majority of its citizens than a place like Syria that is enduring the worst horrors of the Arab Spring.” Actually law and order prevalent in Syria until the U.S. and its pawns began shuttling al-Qaida terrorists in to overthrow the government.

      You write: “The overwhelming racial background of victims of African-American crime are, in fact, other African-Americans. If you are white, you are far more likely to be a victim of gun violence and murder from a fellow white family member or white husband or boyfriend than you are to become of victim of black street violence.” Care to cite proof? This http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.html tells a different story.

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • mark

        Dear Bob,

        Here is your proof:

        online.wsj.com/…/SB10001424052702304830704577496501048197464.html

        Also, can you supply us with some hard proof of your bizarre theory that mass shootings and killings in the United States are “false flag” operations conducted by NGOs and government-sponsored patsies? By hard proof I do not include extremist political sites of both the right and the left which spin off-the-charts conspiracy theories every hour ad infinitum

        Sincerely, mark

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear mark,

          You write: “Also, can you supply us with some hard proof of your bizarre theory that mass shootings and killings in the United States are “false flag” operations conducted by NGOs and government-sponsored patsies? By hard proof I do not include extremist political sites of both the right and the left which spin off-the-charts conspiracy theories every hour ad infinitum.” What do you consider “hard proof?”If you are looking for “proof” from the presstitute MSM which serves as the government’s mouthpiece, there is none. I have provided my reason for believing the Colorado theater shooting was a false flag in the link in the comment above.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • mark

        Dear Bob,

        I think I screwed up the link to that Wall Street Journal article. Here I think is the correct link

        http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304830704577496501048197464.html

        Best, mark

      • eddie47d

        Most conflicts in the Middle East accepted anyone who was willing to help out. Whether they were pawns to overthrow a government or to save a government. The US does end up having al Qaeda supporting our side but not deliberately. Those al Qaeda fighter that sneak in don’t have their ID’s checked at the border and don’t have to take a litmus test to do so. All an al Qaeda fighter has to do is say he’s fighting for Libyan or Syrian freedom and he’s in like flint but I don’t think the US is actively recruiting them.

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear eddie47d,

          You write: “Most conflicts in the Middle East accepted anyone who was willing to help out. Whether they were pawns to overthrow a government or to save a government. The US does end up having al Qaeda supporting our side but not deliberately.” al-Qaida is not “supporting our side.” We are using al-Qaida to do our dirty work. I have provided sourced proof of this, and you are no doubt aware of it.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • eddie47d

        So you are saying we actively and knowingly recruit al Qaida fighters and pay them as mercenaries ? I am not saying they aren’t our useful idiots by chance but are we actively recruiting them. Is that like our Founding Fathers recruiting French armies and mercenaries in our war of Independence? They did want something in return and I believe they were paid.

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear eddie47d,

          You write: “So you are saying we actively and knowingly recruit al Qaida fighters and pay them as mercenaries ?” I’m saying we are arming and supplying them and facilitating their entrance into the country via our puppet regimes in Turkey and Jordan.

          You write: ” Is that like our Founding Fathers recruiting French armies and mercenaries in our war of Independence?” Hardly.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • DaveH

        Isn’t it just like a Liberal Progressive, mark, to give us a link to an article that requires a paid subscription? Was that purposeful or just ignorance on your part?

      • DaveH

        mark says — “Also, can you supply us with some hard proof of your bizarre theory that mass shootings and killings in the United States are “false flag” operations conducted by NGOs and government-sponsored patsies?”.
        Of course not. Do you think the Government is going to freely divulge such complicity?
        But to call a “false flag” theories “bizarre” in the face of all that we know now about Government trickery in the past is just plain ignorant, mark.
        Here is a list of just a few false flag operations that have occurred throughout history:
        http://joecrubaugh.com/blog/10-false-flags-that-changed-the-world/

      • DaveH

        Here is one of the more recent examples of US meddling that has been well documented:
        http://www.iranchamber.com/history/coup53/coup53p1.php

      • DaveH

        And here is a list of CIA meddling in Iran:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Iran

      • mark

        How convenient, DaveH. You can’t supply the proof because the government won’t give it to you. But you still make these absurd assertions that have no foundation in fact including FDR’s engineering of the Pearl Harbor attack. A complete fantasy with zero proof. Just because a lot of your like-minded Libertarians accept it as Gospel, you do too. What a strong, rational approach to the truth.

      • DaveH

        One of the biggest “false flag” operations in American history involved the deception by FDR to get the US into WWII against the average American’s wishes, and in the process sacrificing the lives of 2400 servicemen at Pearl Harbor:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Percy%20L%20Greaves,%20Jr/Pearl%20Harbor%20The%20Seeds%20and%20Fruits%20of%20Infamy.pdf

      • DaveH

        Your beliefs, mark, are fantasy. But try as you might to keep people in the dark, mark, people will read the books and wake up.
        Here is another book which reveals the trickery of past Presidents to get us into wars and build their Power:
        http://library.mises.org/books/John%20V%20Denson/A%20Century%20of%20War%20Lincoln,%20Wilson%20and%20Roosevelt.pdf

      • DaveH

        mark says — “FDR’s engineering of the Pearl Harbor attack. A complete fantasy with zero proof”.
        So, mark, you expect the readers to believe your hyperbolic comments over the well-documented work of the authors of the books I have linked to?

      • DaveH

        Don’t let me deter you from commenting, mark, because I appreciate your valuable service of supplying the readers with real-life examples of the Liberal Progressive mindset.

      • Karolyn

        DaveH – I wonder about the books written by authors you do not believe who have different “facts” and viewpoints. They are all wrong, and your choices are all right?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        All wars, have been and are, engineered! The profits from war, are astronomical.

      • http://www.facebook.com/thomas.robinson.948011 Thomas Robinson

        Bob, families are hurting right now and I don’t want to belittle the point of their grief. But when a black man kills someone he’s a menace to society, when a foreign man kills someone he is considered a terrorist. What do you call a white man when he massacres many people at once. I suggest that you like most would just call him mentally disturbed or psychologically unstable. Sad for you they should all be classified the same.. Sinful and evil killers.

      • DaveH

        Thomas,
        You’re putting words in Bob’s mouth. I’ve never heard him excuse murder by any race, creed, or political affiliation.

      • DaveH

        Karolyn,
        Have you read any of the books? If not, what makes you think you’re qualified to comment on them? I think it’s time to get back to checking your tulips.

  • SarahR

    Bob. You are so right. I only wish that when a person feels that there is no hope but to commit a crime and ultimately commit suicide, he/she goes to the source. The White House.

    • mark

      Another appeal to violence against the President. Hatred is your never-ending cause and creed. But on November 6, the haters lost. Deal with it.

      • Alan

        Sorry Mark, but on November 6th the entire country lost, even you, though you just don’t know it yet. Have a nice one! :)

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        mark: But on November 6, the haters lost. Deal with it.

        Wrong mark, it was on December 23, 1913, during Christmas break, that the country “lost” its sovereignty when the monied elite in Congress passed the Federal Reserve Act. And we have Mr. Woodrow Wilson(D), to thank for it!

    • eddie47d

      Another massacre in Connecticut ! 27 dead including 22 grade schoolers. Gotta love those gun nuts who value the gun more than their children’s lives. How many more will it take before this free for all ends? I can’t wait for tomorrow’s articles I bet the GOA bunch will be hoop in an hollering about their rights. There answer to everything is buy more guns. Make the gun laws looser ! Arm the school children! More unrealistic and violent videos please! or how about the classic put prayer back in school and they can pray the bullets away! Oh well gun sales will be up tomorrow and the next and the next and nothing will change! Will they increase the budget for mental health. Hell no that would require effort ! They rather attend 27 funerals than give mental health to one. Wake up! The Second Amendment didn’t allow or authorize these tragedies so stop using it as an excuse in NOT doing something. Conservative Mike Rosen is right about one thing” we are a violent society and always have been so learn to accept it”!

    • Karolyn

      Sarah – like the “source” of EVERYTHING wrong is the President?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

        No, the blame does not lie with the President. You cannot fault an employee for adhering to company policy!

    • Nadzieja Batki

      mark, your Dems/Progs/Leftist bunch lost. You wouldn’t be commenting your nonsense if you weren’t petrified what the future holds and it is the future because all actions by O have intended and unintended consequences.

      • eddie47d

        That’s a good one Nadzieja except that you lost and take it personally. Your vengeance is noticeable.

  • SJJolly

    Mr Livingston: Nary a country in the world, thoughout history, where much the same could not be written. Including in the USA of a century or two ago.

    • Karolyn

      Very good point.

      • nc

        Karolyn, are you the Karolyn of the caption contest?

      • Karolyn

        I don’t think so, nc.

    • DaveH

      By all means, let’s all abandon our Principles and sink to the Lowest Common Denominator since the Liberal Progressives are doing it.

      • Mikey

        I like it Dave! If it feels good, just do it. To hell with the consequences. And to heck with responsibility, we can do what ever we want with no repercussions! I think I’ll quit my job. Where do I get my Obama phone and free food stamps?

  • Bimbam

    Common negro characteristics:

    They do not invent anything.
    They do not farm.
    They do not prosper any country.
    They generally raise crime statistics.
    They live off of whites.
    They jive as a way of life.
    They are the greatest racist.

    Come to think of it, this describes our current president!

    Coincidence?? You decide…… and you have you idiots!

    • eddie47d

      You’re a bonafide liar Bimbam and hopefully your tactics aren’t working. There have been black inventors although fewer because they were kept out of the classroom and laboratories for many years. There have also been black farmers and darn good at it but the early banks wouldn’t loan to them to keep their farm going. They also had trouble finding buyers for their produce …well you know the Bimbams kept them away from their businesses.

    • nc

      Bimbam, if anyone ever needed a course in Black History it is you! You are a disgrace to any race you may be!

      • Bimbam

        Thank you! So you agree with me then?

    • Mikey

      Actually Bimbam, there have been a great number of inventions by blacks in this country. I don’t have the list in front of me, but I have seen it. For example, Edison got credit for the light bulb, but it wouldn’t have worked at all if not for the invention of the filament by his assistant, who happened to be black. How about the cotton gin? Did you know that the blood bank, which save thousands of lives every day was invented by a black man. How about the gas mask, or even the ever fun “Super-Soaker”.
      Your racism is showing.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Mikey,”

        Afrocentric blacks ALWAYS “BRAG” ABOUT THESE SO-CALLED “INVENTIONS” – YET, CAUCASIANS ARE GIVEN CREDIT. THEREFORE, “Mikey,” WHAT DO YOU THINK WAS THE AGENDA OF THAT black WHO FIRST STATED HISTORIC-NEGROES WERE THESE “GREAT INVENTORS?”

        LOOK, CAUCASIANS – RECORDED Black History IS “SUSPECT” AND OPEN TO GREAT FRAUD. I DO NOT PLACE CREDIBILITY ON black historians LIKE, John Hope Franklin AND Stanley Elkins. DOING THINGS OF VALUE TAKE MONEY. EVEN IF, YOU ARE A NEGRO WITH MONEY, IF YOU FOLLOW THE “PAPER-TRAIL” FAR-BACK ENOUGH YOU WILL FIND A CAUCASIAN SOURCE. THE ONLY “ACE-IN-THE-HOLE” Afrocentric blacks HAVE IN REFERENCE TO THESE “INVENTORS” IS THE FACT THAT POOR RECORD-KEEPING CREATES REASONABLE DOUBT.

      • Mikey

        I’m sure there are discrepancies in either direction, however to assert that blacks have contributed nothing to our society is completely false, and rather racist.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Mikey,”

        IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND MY COMMENTS, YOU HAVE TO TAKE A “CHICKEN-AND-EGG” APPROACH.

        WHEN AFRICANS CAME HERE AS SLAVES, THEY COULD NOT UNDERSTAND, READ OR WRITE ENGLISH.

        WHO DO YOU THINK GAVE NEGROES THEIR FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO SCHOOL? – CAUCASIANS DID.
        WHO DO YOU THINK PROVIDED THE BUILDINGS AND ALL OF THE MATERIALS HOUSED WITHIN THOSE EARLY NEGRO-SCHOOLS [books, desks, etc]? – CAUCASIANS DID.
        WHO DO YOU THINK PROVIDED THE “ORIGINAL-AND-FOUNDATIONAL” FUNDS FOR black historians – LIKE, John Hope Franklin AND Stanley Elkins – TO GO TO COLLEGE AND DO THEIR RESEARCH? – CAUCASIANS DID.

        “Mikey,” MY POINT IS, SINCE CAUCASIANS WERE THE ORIGINAL HOLDERS OF ALL RESEARCH MATERIALS IN AMERICA, IT IS LOGICAL TO ASSUME THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO “TRANSPOSE” THOSE MATERIALS TO FIT A CAUCASIAN IMAGE. THEREFORE, HOW CAN ANY Afrocentric black CLAIM HISTORIC NEGROES WERE “INVENTORS” WHEN THE MATERIALS WHICH PROVIDED THIS INFORMATION HAD BEEN “VETTED” AND MADE ACCESSIBLE BY CAUCASIANS?

        SO, Afrocentric blacks ARE TRYING TO “re-invent the wheel” BY MAKING THESE FALSE CLAIMS.

        IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW RICH A NEGRO IS, IF YOU GO BACK FAR ENOUGH IN HIS ANCESTRY, YOU W-I-L-L FIND A CAUCASIAN S-O-U-R-C-E FOR THAT NEGRO’S WEALTH.

      • DaveH

        Who do you think gave Blacks their first opportunity to be Propagandized?
        http://mises.org/journals/jls/7_1/7_1_3.pdf

      • DaveH

        “SINCE CAUCASIANS WERE THE ORIGINAL HOLDERS OF ALL RESEARCH MATERIALS IN AMERICA”.
        Are we back to that “you didn’t build that” malarky?

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “DaveH,”

        YOUR TWO COMMENTS INDICATE YOU UNDERSTOOD NOTHING I TYPED TO, “Mikey.”

        AFRICANS, AS SLAVES, CAME HERE WITH ABSOLUTELY N-O-T-H-I-N-G. [As seen in films like, "Amistad," Africans were TOTALLY NUDE - and, bound in chains - in close confinement within the "cargo holds" of transport-ships]. SO, “Mikey” AND “DaveH,” WHERE WOULD THESE AFRICANS HAVE HAD A PLACE TO KEEP MONEY? HUMANS DO NOT HAVE POUCHES – LIKE, KANGAROOS.

        E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G WHICH HAS BEEN BESTOWED UPON NEGROES SINCE 1607, CAME FROM CAUCASIANS.

        IT IS NOT “MY” FAULT IF PEOPLE CAN NOT HANDLE THE TRUTH OF HISTORY – I WAS BORN IN 1966.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “DaveH” – YOUR WEB LINK IS A BLANK PAGE.

  • MindyR

    All Americans, black, white, brown and yellow – know this, this will not be a race war, it will be a war of honest Americans defending themselves from criminal America! Do not think that just because someone is black it means they are the enemy , they may very well be a foe and in the same damn boat whites are in! I fear there is going to be trouble due to the upsurper inciting, supporting and promoting the criminal sector of society, especially the black criminal sector, should this come to pass do not confuse an honest Black American for a criminal! This is not a race issue! It is lawabiding Americans against criminal America!

    • Mikey

      Very well put Mindy. The real trick will be telling the two apart, since the criminals will infiltrate the ranks of honest people.

  • Jess Phelps

    my friend’s step-mother makes $79 hourly on the internet. She has been fired from work for 5 months but last month her pay check was $14090 just working on the internet for a few hours. Here’s the site to read more FAB33.com

    • Mikey

      This is not an advertising forum Jess, it’s a political forum.

  • Right Brain Thinker

    Latest count on DaveH inanities. A quick count shows 49 of the 188 comments made on this thread have been made by DaveH. That’s OVER 26% of the total—more than ONE OUT OF FOUR.

    Dave is particularly manic here since he has posted several strings of 4 or 5 comments in quick succession at several points in the thread with no intervening replies, once again showing us that he spends most of his time talking to himself.

    I am still waiting for him to respond to my challenge about his dishonesty in misusing the Heritage Foundation figures about “economically free” countries and their unemployment rates. DAVE KEEPS RUNNING FROM THAT ONE—-DaveH is apparently “all hat and no cattle” as they used to say of George W. Bush in Texas.

    • Mikey

      Unlike you, RBT, Dave usually backs up his statements with facts. And I’m glad Dave posts often, he is the type of person this forum was created for, not for backwards thinking, illogical trolls like yourself.

  • TimGabz

    This is heading for a totally new beast. This is not the revolution of Russia and France where those who wanted to work couldn’t. This is going to be between brothers, parents and children but most of all between wealthmakers and wealth breakers. There will be a considerable race bias determined by who was lead by the lies, willingly.

    There is a massive windup happening as the system prints into extinction. I can see the Zimbabwe meltdown in reflection of Obama’s reign.

    If the makers loose they all loose. We all loose.

  • Louis XVI

    Hey, I know, lets depreciate the value of housing through a contrived bubble, move the slums into this suburban housing through Section 8, raze the LBJ era inner city housing, rebuild HIGH PRICED, HIGH TAXABLE condo housing for the elderly baby boomers. More money for the bureaucrats, more slums for the burbs.

  • http://www.musingsbymarian.com MusingsbyMarian

    Let’s connect a few dots here. Charles Manson’s “Helter Skelter” was part of the original plan of the Weathermen, SDS, etc to start a race war. After the murder of the La Bianca’s Bernadine Dohrn praised Manson & invented a fork salute. Now the married Dohrn & Ayers have their claws in the education system and Obama’s presidential campaign was launched from their living room. Obama is graduating FEMA armies with money provided in Obama Care and black gangs are terrorizing people. Helter Skelter anyone?
    MusingsbyMarian dot com

  • http://wildblue.net derrell

    in 1975 I was selling insurance and the insurance survey noted the birth rate of white children was 1.6% and the birth rate of black and hispanic was 3.8%per family.I told my wife this day would come .If Icould see this why didn’t the rest orf the people and the Gov. They could have addressed this before it got out of controll.Here is the answer ,the people are informed by the news and still are so the people are governed by the news and the news is controlled by the Goverment,and no great power can take over a goerment till it controlls the news

  • http://wildblue.net derrell

    whites are a minorty and as we are a demoracy we will now be controlled by the majority any one for a republic ? for this is what we were intended to be

    • Attila

      There are a lot of naive, overly complacent people posting here. My wife’s German mother and grandmother, who lived thru the Nazi period there, could give them a good education in reality. This attitude that nobody wins in armed conflict is moronic. We won against the Nazis by seeing that there were damn few left, otherwise they would still be killing and it would be right down your street. The Muslim problem is not about a misguided religion, and it is not about peace but about submission (real translation of Islam) to their medieval and brutal tyranny. There will be no peace until they also are much fewer in number.
      Hitler’s background and “divide and conquer” M.0. are very similar to Obama, except that Hitler took over in a deep financial crisis and put people in place to recover. Obama is certainly not the genius his bootlick media makes him out to be, but his methods are transparent enough. His bankrupt the US to create a pretext for socialist tyranny tactics are working, for now. A day of reckoning is coming; the founding fathers gave us the 2nd Amendment with good reason. Prepare yourself!

      • http://Yahoo Ed

        People like yourself who are able to think for themselves are becoming rare. Brace yourself for the resulting chaos.

  • Karen King

    What we ALL really need to do it turn back to God like 2 Chronicles 7:14 says. Get your Bible and read it and see for yourselves. GOD BLESS US ALL.

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