Shutdown Shuts Down: Dems And RINOs Win, Conservatives Lose In Congress’ Capitulation To Obama

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The Senate is ending the government shutdown. By the time you read this, the Senate will likely have voted on a bill to fund the government through January 15 of next year and to raise the Federal debt limit until February 7. The only GOP “win” in the Senate bill involves new requirements that Obamacare buyers seeking government subsidies must prove their qualifications by demonstrating low income.

With a House vote expected later in the evening, President Barack Obama is expected to sign off on the bill before the Thursday debt limit “deadline,” as forecast by the U.S. Treasury.

House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) is not expected to delay or attempt to amend whatever the Senate is passing. “We fought the good fight; we just didn’t win,” he said Wednesday on a Cincinnati radio show. “There’s no reason for our members to vote ‘no’ today,” he said later.

Boehner’s full capitulation comes just a day after House Republicans attempted to counter the Senate bill by cobbling together their own last-minute plan before realizing the votes to see it through simply weren’t there.

Even Senator Ted Cruz (R-Texas), who had stood firm against the debt limit deal unless Congress voted to defund Obamacare, stood aside Wednesday to allow the Senate to expedite a vote – even though   Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) cannot bring the measure before the full Senate for consideration today without unanimous consent.

Judging from conservative comments across the internet, there’s a great deal of ambivalence among Republicans as to whether Cruz is to be praised or blamed for his role in the shutdown debate – including Wednesday’s go-along.

On one hand, Cruz mobilized whatever conservative support might have been latent among Congressional GOP leaders and their constituents. He did strike early and often – when tapping into public opinion to defund Obamacare and pressuring Congress to listen to the people’s will would have mattered. He had little GOP support, as the ensuing weeks proved.

On the other hand, there’s no denying that Cruz kept up his tough talk while dialing down his walk, once it became clear that he and Mike Lee (and maybe Rand Paul) were becoming an increasingly isolated three-man army within their own party’s Senate bloc. He or Lee or anyone could filibuster today’s Senate vote and bide more time for leveraged compromise, if leveraged compromise were in the offing.

But the majority of spineless Senate Republicans simply wouldn’t sit at Cruz’ table. A unified pushback against the Democrats never stood a chance of coming together from the balkanized ranks of Republican Senators.

And it’s important to remember there’s little gain in vilifying the few Congressmen who put up a principled fight, when the entire charade was perpetrated from the far left. If Obama and Reid and lock-step Democrats weren’t hell-bent on borrowing more money – Obamacare concessions be damned – there would never have been a fight between the GOP-controlled House and the Democratic-controlled Senate in the first place.

Instead, we’re on track to make debt-ceiling history once again. Now that Obama and the Dems have carte blanche, we should be ticking past the $17 trillion threshold any day now.

Personal Liberty

Ben Bullard

Reconciling the concept of individual sovereignty with conscientious participation in the modern American political process is a continuing preoccupation for staff writer Ben Bullard. A former community newspaper writer, Bullard has closely observed the manner in which well-meaning small-town politicians and policy makers often accept, unthinkingly, their increasingly marginal role in shaping the quality of their own lives, as well as those of the people whom they serve. He argues that American public policy is plagued by inscrutable and corrupt motives on a national scale, a fundamental problem which individuals, families and communities must strive to solve. This, he argues, can be achieved only as Americans rediscover the principal role each citizen plays in enriching the welfare of our Republic.

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  • FreedomFighter

    The Republican Party has committed political suicide, now begins the rise of multiple political parties.
    Laus DeoSemper FI

    • wandamurline

      No, let’s go back a little to when the Wigs were the party that the Republicans now occupy….the party was not removed and we did not have to have multiple parties….we simply took over the Wigs (not sure that I am spelling that right) and that is what we must do now….to have multiple parties will simply split the vote so that the Democommunists will be in power forever….what we must do is remove the spineless RINOS in the Republican party (the elists who have been there entirely too long, i.e. McConnell, Graham, McCain, Cornyn, Snow, and a bunch of others and take back the Republican party to the party of the People like it used to be….we have to educate the younger generation who do not know what history is about….how the Republican party is the one who gave the African Americans equality in the 60’s while the Democommunists fought tooth and nail to stop us. Let’s keep the Party….just do away with the members who do not deserve to be in Washington.

      • EKMcM

        Whigs

      • Jeff

        For someone who doesn’t know a wig from a Whig, you got the history partly right. In the 60s, all the racist southerners were nominally Democrats. Actually, they were Dixiecrats and your hero Strom ran for president as such in 1948 (and Trent Lott was proud Mississippi voted for him). In the mid-60s, there were many moderate Republicans and it was northern Democrats and Republicans that passed the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts over the strenuous objections of southerners and conservative Republicans like Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan. LBJ led the effort, and the South rewarded him by switching to the Republicans.

        Since the mid-60s, the Republicans have become increasingly southern and increasingly conservative. There are no more Rockefeller Republicans. The current crop of Republicans would have no room for Bob Dole nor even for Reagan. Ted Cruz likes to quote him, but his quotes are not only out of context; they completely ignore his actions in office while emphasizing only his rhetoric.

        I personally thought Reagan was a much better president than we had any reason to believe he’d be given his radical rhetoric, much of which is still damaging the country. He convinced a lot of people that government can’t do anything right, and ever since Republicans have been getting elected with the mission of destroying the government. But Reagan as president was much more practical than that. He talked about “the evil empire” but negotiated with the Russians. He talked about taxes like some idiotic blogger, but he raised taxes in addition to lowering them. He even changed his mind about Medicare. And he negotiated with Tip O’Neill. Zealots like Ted Cruz act like “compromise” is a four letter word.

        I didn’t think much of Reagan while he was president, but compared to the current crop of Repugs, he was downright reasonable.

        • Pugsley

          All the radicals on are on the left now, moron!!

          • Jeff

            Was that a burp or a fart?

          • smilee

            that puts you on the left then according to you

        • smilee

          Very elegantly put!

      • smilee

        And after that vote in 64 & 65 the Dixiecrats in the democratic party left it and became republicans and the blacks have mostly supported democrats ever since as we all know it was a democrat Lyndon Johnson who twisted GOP arms and the democrat party got all the credit from the blacks and they are mostly democrats to this day. You are spinning here.

    • Karll

      That will split the Conservative vote and ensure Marxist rule for decades.

      • Bill

        Hi Karll
        You have to look at it like the Reagan revolution where many democrats crossed party lines

        • smilee

          They will be going the other way now!! t

    • MargaretJacobson

      This is what has happened in the past . Whigs, federalists, know nothing’s , bull moose etc. Maybe the Democratic Party and a few of the republicans will. Form a new party ?

      • smilee

        Dream on!

    • Bill

      Hi Free,
      I agree. Jesse Ventura 2016

  • OldEngineer

    What I do know is that borrowing money to “pay bills” is NOT “paying bills”. It is borrowing more money.
    Default NEVER arises out of spending too little.

    • Bill

      Good comment, Old

    • smilee

      The debt limit rise is for paying commitments already made and not funded so you either borrow or default. Quit making your house payment and see if you can still keep your house. The president should be able to borrow money without a congressional vote when they failed to provide the money to pay for the laws they have passed, nothing prevents them from repealing or changing a law they have previously passed if they no longer want to pay for it. The way it is now everyone gets hurts for no real good reason only because of the stubbornness of some in Congress

  • lokiswife

    The biggest “party” now is “We, the angry Americans” who have been demonized by liberals and the mainstream media as creating the “downfall of America” because we want fiscal sanity and personal responsibility as the agenda instead of the runaway spending and asinine lack of responsibility in this country. We have been sold out by RINOs and spineless Republicans.

    • Bill

      Hi Lokiswife
      What an interesting concept, fiscal sanity and personal responsibility.
      You will never here those words spoken by the main stream media. They will refer to that concept as not helping the poor, not paying your fair share and being a racist

      • Jeff

        Fiscal sanity does not mean refusing to raise the debt ceiling to allow the payment of bills already incurred. It’s like offering $150,000 for a house listed for $300,000. It’s a smart move, part of a negotiation. It is until you add in the proviso that if the seller doesn’t accept your offer, you’ll burn the house to the ground and send the newspaper phony pictures of the seller with an underage hooker. You’ve then crossed the line from a negotiation to extortion.

        • Libertarian Soldier

          Actually, that’s exactly what it means. 55 times since Clinton! obama has nearly doubled since he was elected, legally, the first time (save the ineligibility issue that we have to wait to find out).

          Let me give you a less stupid example from the real world.

          We take in 225 to 250 billion dollars a month. Our interest, since that’s all we ever pay back, never denting the principle, is 24 billion dollars. We have between 201 billion 226 billion dollars to work with to prioritize our bills. Not default! By no stretch of the imagination is this default, by definition! Again, speaking to your math learning disability, this is not default and raising the ceiling only makes it OK to raise it again in 3 months, 3.5 weeks. How much you want to bet democrats didn’t learn their lesson and want to raise it for the 57th time since clinton i on February 7, 2014?

          You people are math challenged!

          Got education?

        • Bill

          Calm down, Jeff
          I think it is time you went on the wagon

          • Bob666

            Why Bill,
            Are you Lonely on the Wagon?

          • Jeff

            And how much time did you spend “thinking” about that? I wouldn’t want you to hurt yourself!

          • Bill

            Jeff,
            You should be real proud of yourself. Your analogy on fiscal responsibility is probably going to win an award for being the dumbest comment ever posted.
            Buy you books and send you to school and you still don’t learn anything

          • Jeff

            No matter how hard I try I can’t possibly say anything as dumb as what Congressional Repugs say every day.

          • smilee

            He sounds totally sober to me, and rational it is you who comes across irrational!

        • Dolly Dagger

          I guess as a idiot libtard, you think we are playing with monopoly money here…you can’t keep raising the ceiling without serious spending cuts, but the DEMs would rather eat their feces than cut one dime of the federal leviathan & keep that printing press humming. The GOP ain’t much better…hey, there are only Cruz, Coburn, Lee & Paul who would put an end to this nonsense!!

          • Jeff

            DD:

            You know how to name call but anything else? Democrats would like to reduce defense spending and get rid of the idiotic Bush tax cuts. Social Security and Medicare have nothing to do with the deficit. Our current economic woes are due primarily to the 2008 Depression, the Bush tax cuts, and the unfunded Bush wars. It is fashionable on the right to blame Obama’s stimulus, but it really accounts for a very small portion of the deficit. You just keep voting for people who work for the Koch Brothers, you moron!

          • Dolly Dagger

            You chastise me for name calling & then call me a moron…typical lib nonsense!!!

          • Jeff

            I respond in kind.

  • Charlene Nash

    I am Republican, but I am disgusted with Boehner, he needs to be replaced.
    What a disgrace to the tax payers who pay their salary. Why is it these people don’t have the back bone to stand for whats right for the American people? We need some tea party people to get voted in their place.

    • MargaretJacobson

      I wonder if someone is blackmailing these (republicans) because these fools talk big and a of a Sudden just lie down and roll over ? I don’t get it ?

      • Jeff

        Maybe Boehner realizes the Teabag Party is full of hot air. He has to bend over for them, but hopefully when the economic future of the country/world is at stake, he’ll risk his precious big gavel to avoid turning the country over to Ted Cruz and his band of merry men in the House.

        • Libertarian Soldier

          A democrat has the nerve to talk about the “economic future” of the world? Please, stop! My gut hurts!

        • smilee

          Boehner was actually a winner tonight, he admitted he was defeated on this and voters like persons who are honest with them, his hand as speaker was strength tonight.

    • smilee

      That will surly make things even worse, they proved tonight they no nothing about actually governing.

  • Charlene Nash

    Why is it Boehner bows down to thise idiots? He is suppose to be working for the people, the tax payers who pay his salary. We need some tea party people to run for office.

    • smilee

      You were not paying attention, he did not bow to anyone he was forced to his knees by those with more power than him!!

  • Alan

    Well that didn’t take long. What was it, 15 days? So it’s back to business as usual. The show’s over folks, the fight having lasted less than a single round, the wimpy challenger having been laid low by a flurry of rapid jabs followed by a swift uppercut to the jaw. How pathetic.

  • Guest

    It’s official..I am now Libertarian.

    • Libertarian Soldier

      You’ll get tired of the way that’s going, too.

  • Robert Gabris

    Repeal the Law….. The Unaffordable Medical Act……… Impeach Mr. Obama
    He has been a big bully and if he really listen to “WE THE PEOPLE” The mess should all had gone !!!! Sadly egos get in our way.

    • Karll

      I don’t disagree, but……

      Impeach the first black President?

      OH! The race cards would be flying around for decades!

      • MargaretJacobson

        Centuries ! Maybe we can get him to retire ? Maybe find his original birth certificate? Maybe we can prove he isn’t really Barack Obama ? Maybe we are just stuck with him !

        • Jeff

          And what do you think this mythical document will prove? His mother, like Ted Cruz’, was an American citizen. Therefore, Obama did not need to be naturalized and is a natural born citizen whether he was born in Hawaii, Canada, Panama, or Outer Mongolia. I know you can’t wait for another Repug in the WH, but you may have to wait awhile. Until then, you can keep pretending deficits matter. But we all know they only “matter” when a Democrat is president.

          • Jeff

            I know you think calling yourself a Libertarian Soldier somehow makes you a constitutional expert, but it doesn’t. The term “natural born citizen” is not defined in the Constitution, and no case has ever construed the clause. As much as I despise Ted Cruz, I do not think the Constitution disqualifies him from the presidency as he did not need to be naturalized despite his birth in Canada. This right wing obsession with both parents’ needing to be citizens is just that, a right wing obsession. Nowhere does the law say that is the case.

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Libertarian Soldier is a descriptive moniker made up of two facts. I’ve been a registered Libertarian since 1978, although I do change my registration to one of the main parties to vote against the truly objectionable in primaries and I’m about 85%. That is to say the most objectionable candidates make it one ticket or another 85% of the time.

            The rest is my occupation, my career of service over two decades and three conflicts, one of the most decorated and distinguished in the most decorated and distinguished divisions in American history, the 2/5. If you’re anybody, you know who we are. Doubt you are.

            As for the Constitution, it is committed to memory and I carry a pocket copy in my car and sometimes in my pocket for instances like this, when an irrelevant argument. Speaking of irrelevant arguments, like the one that raises its head and goes on to relate some connection between my moniker and knowledge of the Constitution. You see how the faulty logic just screams fuzzy thinking leftist; don’t you?

            Still, glad you brought up the issue of “natural born citizen”.

            While the cowardly courts of the United States, including the SCOTUS runs away from the question and rules, arbitrarily on the subject, as the federal courts, at the district and appeals levels have, with rulings like “no standing” and “no irreparable harm”. I give you the corrupt tyrant, barack hussein obama’s past five years and an 8.4 trillion dollar increase on national debt, on disproportionate representation without taxation and disenfranchisement of law abiding, tax paying citizens by an overreaching, corrupt executive that presumes to usurp and adjoin the powers enumerated to Congress, alone, to the House of Representatives, specifically, by our Constitution, under Article I, Section 1, Article II, Section 1, Article I, Section 7 as as attempted to remedy according to instructions in Federalist 58, writings by Founder and 4th President, James Madison.

            Still, the question has been debated by a lot of people. There are exceptions to the law that has been interpreted both ways. I’m going to make this simple for me because I’ve heard both arguments and one parent doesn’t make you a natural born citizen if you derive your citizenship of another sovereignty. There is no such thing as dual citizenship. You must denounce one and once you’ve denounced your American citizenship, you may not become a de facto natural born citizen. You decide.

            Under Title 8 of the US Code, Section 1401 defines the natural born citizens: http://ivn.us/2013/08/13/defining-natural-born-citizen/

            As for obama, he is a citizen of Malaysia. He must renounce that citizenship to become a US Citizen again but may never again be a natural born citizen of the United States of America.

            Now, regarding Ted Cruz; he’s the future of the Constitutional movement, unlike the left wing lite pansies. He’s putting right the republic-rats. They’re not going to like him because he represents the people that sent him there to represent them and the Constitution. I’m a Rand Paul fan, too. I don’t like either of their stances on immigration deform but I sure like freshman Mike Lee. There isn’t an immigration crisis. There’s an executive that thinks Article I was written for him instead of Congress and that he doesn’t have to stay within the powers enumerated under Article II.

            That brings me to your next point. Who are you calling right wing? Just because the centrists that are trying to restore the Constitution are way right of unabashed socialism doesn’t mean they’re right wing. Your party is closer to right wing, on the political spectrum than any Constitutionalist could ever be.

            The republicans are left wing lite and the Constitution was written by the “left wing radicals” of their time, the founders, the framers, the fathers of our once great society. That’s how left of center this country has become and they don’t even know it. They’re living in tyranny and just don’t get it.

            Come with us and restore the Constitution, restore credibility, restore financial responsibility, restore accountability, restore sanity!

          • Jeff

            Here’s the kind of politician you can probably support:

            http://www.idahostatesman.com/2013/10/18/2821050/10-kids-on-medicaid-but-hates.html

            Just like Ted Cruz, Michele Bachmann, and the rest. Against government except where it benefits them. No thought whatsoever for the needs or problems of others.

          • Bob666

            Yo Jeff,
            that is priceless!

          • Jeff

            I saw it last week on Lawrence O’Donnell’s show.

          • Crazy Louie LaPew

            God Bless you, Soldier Man!!!

      • Libertarian Soldier

        No, impeach the first half white pResident!

        • The PickleMan

          The white half is the commie half…the black half is the Muslim half….Boy, USA must have some really bad karma to get this delusional devil as prez

      • Nutsy Naclerio

        He is not first black prez, but the first half-black prez…However, he is the first foreign born prez & the first to profoundly hate the country & try to destroy it!

        • smilee

          Nutsy you are!!!

    • smilee

      You lost that battle for the third time tonight, three strikes and your out!!

  • Libertarian Soldier

    This was expected. It’s OK! This is the nature of things. This is how we clean house. This is how we find out who everybody is. This is perfect. We’re only a year away from a partial jettison of the republic-rats!

    It doesn’t seem so, right now but this was a defining moment. Many of the left wing lite republic-rats just called for their pink slips!

    Peter King wants to run for President in 2016. He and Christie would be a great ticket. See how few votes a ticket can get in a primary! I’m certain there’s a Guinness Book of World Records, there!

    Does anybody know that Peter King was on an Intelligence Committee? I laughed sporadically for four days after I read that! He looks and acts like a poster of what you can accomplish while overcoming down syndrome and he’s on an “intelligence” committee!

    • Jeff

      Can you imagine an Intelligence Committee with Peter King, Louis Gohmert, Michelle Bachmann, and Virginia Fox? It would render comedians obsolete.

      • MargaretJacobson

        I wonder if the unemployed comedians would be eligible for god stamps, free cell phone and obamacare ?

        • Jeff

          You’re so full of information. Perhaps you should start a consulting service to profit on all the give aways!

          • Libertarian Soldier

            You have experts giving away free money and free healthcare where all you have to do is stop working and you’re covered.

            In addition to giving away free money and healthcare, food stamps, housing subsidies, free legal help for criminals, free college and preferential acceptance to colleges without the grades and SATs and coming soon, free citizenship and all you have to do is steal and rob your way into the country!

            So, in addition, this pResident and his stooges are giving away the country, giving away the meritocracy that was once America and once we give away amnesty to the illegal aliens, we’ll have given away all the subsidies the citizens might have gotten for the new underclass, illegal aliens made legal. The current people collecting the giveaways will learn what it’s like to be disenfranchised, learn to watch others with disproportionate representation without taxation!

            Shoot, with that, why do you need consultants to give it all away at the expense of law abiding, tax paying citizens?

            You have no business sense, like the rest of your party. You’ve got giveaway experts and you’re talking about consulting on how to give $#!+ away. You could run for Congress on a democrat ick party ticket. You’re qualified! In the educated man’s world, you’re unqualified but that just makes you more attractive to the democrats as a money manager!

          • Jeff

            Your post is so full of nonsense I don’t even know where to begin. If you think it’s a bad thing for the country to feed, house, and keep the population healthy, then we want very different things from our country. You know what country allows its people to starve and die of preventable diseases? Mexico for one. You right wingers want nothing but to repeal all the social advances of the 20th Century. It ain’t gonna happen!!!

          • Crazy Louie LaPew

            At what cost to everyone else, you fool?

          • Jeff

            Crazy:

            And what is the cost of having a society where kids grow up hungry and their brains don’t properly develop and large numbers of people have no access to healthcare?

          • Crazy Louie LaPew

            Oh, they must be missing all the free breakfasts that the govt. gives out….it is your lib policies & cultural actions that have kept the poor exactly where they still are after all these years & trillions of dollars!

          • Libertarian Soldier

            Everything I say makes perfect sense, by definition. You don’t know where to begin because you can’t begin when you’re off obama’s, reid’s and carney’s script. I don’t just parrot what irresponsible ideologues say. Ideologue want a cracker! Get off the emotional misstatements. When are you going to play the race card?

            Just because democrats say that conservatives want to starve and condemn grandma and cute little children to death doesn’t mean it’s so. Rather than grossly, emotionally misstating the facts, why don’t you explain why anybody in their right mind would take the freedoms from 85% of people happy with their healthcare, turn it upside down, charge them more for it while promising they could keep it like it is and that they’d save money in order to give healthcare to 15% many of which don’t even want health care insurance. In what alternate reality does that make sense? In what opposite universe does that make sense and garner, trust and loyalty to your pResident, the head of your Senate and your disgraceful, collectivist party?

            You and your democrat ick party don’t speak for me and don’t speak for conservatives! You don’t even speak for yourselves! The whole (un)Affordable Care Act was a lie from top to bottom, side to side and front to back and you can’t admit anything except “its not perfect”. You say guns were held to the heads of Americans, the Senate, the pResident! You call us terrorists, arsonists, extortionists! You speak of jihadists and bombs being strapped to chests! Serioiusly? obama can call raising the debt ceiling irresponsible, unpatriotic, a failure in leadership, Un-American when he’s running for pResident.

            Then, he calls the House Republicans names when they take his position from 6 years ago. Who’s Unpatriotic and Unamerican?

            Go get a cracker; Put a cover over your cage and calm your dizzy, little, ideologue, backward regressive, intolerant, bigoted head and get some sleep. Your Chairman will have lots to say in the coming weeks about fixing the laws he wont’ enforce by making criminal behavior legal.

      • Libertarian Soldier

        None of them believe that raising the debt ceiling and spending more money doesn’t add to the debt. None of them routinely agree with obama so, I’m not getting your point.

        On the other hand Dianne F (no) Einstein, John D Rockefeller, Ron Wyden, Barbara A. Mikulski, Mark Udall and Mark Wagner are on it, while Harry Reid is an ex officio. Talk about slapstick! It’s the 3+3 Stooges! Insane! You can’t make this $#!+ up!

        • WHITE WOMEN EVERYWHERE

          Alas, Jeff is a LOONY TUNES LIBTARD, Soldier man….he rarely makes any sense!!!

          Bachmann has more brains & balls than 90% of pols in the DC cesspool!!!

          • Deerinwater

            oh really ? where does she keep them?

  • shoegun

    Ted Cruz is the only guy who gets it right. The demos did not lose. The RINOs did not lose. The only loser is the American public.

    • karma

      You mean Canadian Ted Cruz? where have all the birthers gone?. They say when you are digging holes, try digging 2, you just might have to bury yourself. All the Republican birthers have their own birther case in Ted Cruz

      • Pinchy & Paunchy

        What are a jackass? He had dual citizenship, which does not preclude being a senator…he is not running for prez yet, so there is no controversy here at all!!! He is not hiding anything like Your Dear Leader, Der Fuhrer, Heir Obummer!!

      • shoegun

        Yes, at least he can be vetted and has as well an American Mother, But Obama somehow cannot be vetted.

    • Bill

      Good comment, Shoe

  • Jeff

    So,let me get this straight. The Republicans, after a year of villifying the IRS, consider it a victory that the IRS will be more involved in the determination of who qualifies for subsidies? Sounds like the kind of rank hypocrisy that has come to define the Republican Party.

  • Jeff

    So,let me get this straight. The Republicans, after a year of villifying the IRS, consider it a victory that the IRS will be more involved in the determination of who qualifies for subsidies? Sounds like the kind of rank hypocrisy that has come to define the Republican Party.

    • Cunning Stunts

      May I remind you & everyone else, that the Obummer administration is so lawless & corrupt that they have to reinforce a provision (verifying the income of those seeking subsidies for health insurance) that was part of the actual law. They had to so this because the Obummer administration unbelievably decided that they would not check the income levels of those applying!!!!!! Hey, this way more will sign up for ObummerCare & who cares about millions of dollars wasted in fraud, who cares about debt limits & spending, we’ll just keep giving everyone whatever they want!!

  • Centralist

    The real Republicans found a solution. You RINOs, aka Libertarians, are the ones who lost. Stop thinking you are real Republicans. You are a fringe far right group, just like the socialists on the far left..

    • MargaretJacobson

      In there a real difference between the democrats and the libertarians besides the labels ?

    • Jgahring

      It would appear that there are only about 5 “real” Republicans in Congress. Since when has the Constitution become far right? The very beliefs and morals that built this once great nation have given way to the “feed me master obama” mentality of the welfare class. Our founding fathers made every attempt to prevent the situation that we find ourselves in, and they provided every warning that government must be monitored and controlled by the public. It is a sad day for America.

    • smilee

      Drive the wedge in deeper, you will be doing the democrats a big favor!

  • William

    Now its time for all of us to get on the same page and take our country back ! This is NOT about Race or Religion this is about being an American ! If we all do the math there are roughly 325 MILLION of US and only a handful of them who are all supposed to be working for US and NOT US working for them ! Lets let our voices be heard, not ignored, start at the top and work our way down ! They have shown that they cannot do their jobs so they need to be fired ! Obama. Reed, Pelosi the lot of them ! If we need to start from scratch so be it ! If we have to suffer under THEIR oppression why not side step THEIR oppression and all deal with the growing pains of the path that WE choose to deal with NOT have to face a double dose ! United we Stand Divided we Fall ! Enough is ENOUGH already !

    • smilee

      Sure there are over 300 million but Cruz was only able to get 2 million signatures on his petition according to him, Your in a really small minority sonny

  • Don Berry

    About time this farce was over. Obstructionist Tea party finally grew a bit of sense (or just gave up, your pick!) and the drama is over, or at least on the back burner, for 60 days…when all the nonsense begins again.

    • Vis Fac

      We’ll see in 2014

      Libertas inaestimabilis res est
      Semper-Fi

      • Bob666

        Force,
        2014 will not bode well for the GOP. When you continue to shoot your self in the foot, eventually you run out of foot.

        • Deerinwater

          yea, and I hate that when it happens !

          Who said I have seen the enemy and he is us?

          Answer:

          A comic strip character named Pogo. The actual quote is: “We have met the enemy and he is us”. Pogo author, Walt Kelly, first used the quote on a poster for Earth Day in 1970. For more info, visit http://www.igopogo.com/we_have_met.htm.

          • Bob666

            I remember that strip very well Deer and it was very profound!

        • Vis Fac

          It seems as though the DUMBOCRITES ave done a good job of that as well. ODUMBOCARE did not live up to its billing and DUMBOCRITES are now realizing they’ve been sold a bill of goods not to mention all the ongoing scandals.

          2014 Should prove to be interesting.

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

          • Alex

            As has been made quite clear, quite often, the GOP was roundly defeated last November. They thought they could beat Obama. They could not. They thought they might take control of the Senate. They did not. Yes, they did retain control of the House, but please be realistic: the GOP was outvoted by five million voters in the House races. Five million. Can you not admit that it was only districts gerrymandered by GOP state houses that have kept the GOP majority in place? Are you THAT deluded?

            All indications are that the public holds the GOP in general, and the Tea Party in particular, responsible for the current state of affairs. You will find this out by following any other news outlet than Fox, who thrive on keeping their less-than-educated viewership in the dark.

            Now here, Force, you can go on and on about “Alex in LA LA Land” all you want, but why not attempt to tackle the subject at hand?

          • ltbl123

            At least our legs don’t tingle when you hear your masters voice.

          • Bob666

            Do yours?

          • Vis Fac

            ALEX you are INDEED in La LA Land your continuing belief the GOP was roundly(?) shouldn’t you’ve said SOUNDLY defeated? Once again you show the benefits of being non-educated by liberal indoctrination camps

            FYI ODUMBO won by DEFAULT and FRAUD!! By default as Republicans stayed home and didn’t vote (which in my opinion is disgraceful)

            By FRAUD because lame stream media being OWNED by the 1% that elected ODUMBO as their PATSY gave three times as much air time to ODUMBO than Romney. This air time was focused on the illegals and lazy who were promised riches stolen from those who work. (BTW do you have your’s yet? riches that is) Let’s not forget about the voter fraud where those ineligible and illegal voters were not only allowed to vote but vote more than once. I suppose the deceased vote and the several precincts that reported a 100% plus turnout with 100% of the voted going to ODUMBO didn’t raise any red flags. Certainly lame stream media reported on this didn’t they? Of course not if they did they just might appear to be unbiased and we cannot have that can we?

            As I said ALEX in La La Land your resorting to lame stream media to support your opinion clearly indicates you are in fact living in a fantasy dream in La La Land. I suggest you lay off the mushrooms and come back to earth and partake of reality.

            In the end ODUMBO didn’t win by any means considered to be a landslide but merely eked by
            I have a few questions for you the same questions I asked of rbrooks another DUMBOCRITIC shill
            I’ll wait and see how you will weasel out of responding

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

      • smilee

        GOP chances plummeted tonight

        • Vis Fac

          SMELLY you want to believe this to be true so we’ll wait and see in 2014!

          I have a few questions I want you to answer (I know you’ll cop out but I’ll ask them anyway. These are the same questions I ask every liberal and I have yet to receive a response just more of the same liberal nonsense so don’t disappoint me now SMELLY

          Why are you liberal? Let me ask you as I have asked others and have yet to receive responses other than what “your” idea of a response is. Why are you the first to use pejoratives to assault others when you have nothing to support your argument then become incensed when others respond in kind??

          Aside from receiving free welfare, free food stamps, government support, having no personal responsibility, believing that you know everything and have authority to dictate others how they should live, and in lieu of providing solutions to problems (that you continually ignore) that would actually work instead enacting inane ineffective statutes.

          Why is it that you continue to champion for the safety of our children then reverse your concerns when it comes to government sanctioned murder of millions of innocents children through Planned Parenthood? You certainly make a lot of noise when a nut case goes off and murders school children by deafly mute about murder by abortion. Why is that?

          Another thing I have asked and again you liberals never have any response. What are you going to do when the money runs out and there are no more people to tax that pay your entitlements, print more paper? When asked about the bankruptcy of Detroit you liberals continue to blame it on mismanagement forgetting Detroit has been managed by DUMBOCRITES for more than 50 years yet STILL do not except responsibility!!! Why is that?

          Personally; I think the biggest draw to liberalism is the lack of having to except personal responsibility for oneself and assign blame of your failure on
          others. This eliminates the need to be proficient in school or at ones job. The old reliable liberal trademarked maxim ‘It’s not MY fault”. We all know it
          is an excuse for you to cop out.

          I am of the opinion that people with weak character and compromised morals are those who embrace liberalism. They are most often angry at success and because their lethargy and indolence will never let them achieve success so they hate, abase and ridicule those who have. We all know most people like to take the easy way out and in that respect the “most” here in the nation embrace liberalism.

          Since liberals feel (subconsciously) inferior and as misery loves company; liberals try to control others
          through statute inflicting as much misery as possible.

          Again; and I don’t expect a response: I would like to know why you think our Constitution is out dated and why you are willing to cede freedoms which when
          lost can never be regained sans revolution as our forefathers fought for. If you are at all honest with yourself you will see you are in error a grievous
          error that can be fatal.

          Now SMELLY answer these questions than I might consider what you have to say otherwise what you say has ZERO credibility

          Libertas inaestimabilis res est
          Semper-Fi

          • smilee

            I support progress, finding solutions, and moving forward and not backwards and the democrats are the most responsible in doing that at this time and that is why I support them now. Stupid questions and statements which is what your post is all about is not deserving of a response as there is no real response for them.

          • Vis Fac

            SMELLY if you truly believe in going forwards and solving problems you would not be a liberal!!! Liberals create problems go backwards and their idea of a solution is letting some one else clean up their messes!
            I expected nothing less than this COP OUT from a moronic liberal who has things backwards. As you believe going forward is incurring obtaining more debt more people on welfare and food stamps loss of jobs and government control and fostering irresponsibility is being progressive. And my questions as being stupid . Well Folks here we have it one more brainwashed moron who refused to answer direct questions with anything other than the pejorative “stupid”

            Speaks volumes doesn’t it It proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that SMELLY lives up to that moniker for SMELLY has his head firmly implanted up his A$$ and no glass navel to use as a view finder.

            I OWN YOU SMELLY and I will FLUSH you

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

          • smilee

            As usual you have everything azz backwards, your simply wrong!

          • Vis Fac

            Yeah SMELLY Only in your uneducated moronic doped up mind! You must be kin to ALEX in La La Land for both of you are DELUSIONAL!!!

            NOW answer my questions COWARD otherwise return to the cesspool where you belong!!

            Libertas inaestimabilis res est
            Semper-Fi

    • MargaretJacobson

      I wonder what they hope to accomplish ? 60 days ? Impeach the whole bunch !

      • Don Berry

        Just as Mr ex-Marine below stated, 2014’s coming. Choose wisely…

  • Ron

    get your guns ready….we need to put all these dems (sheep in wolves clothing) and repubs…(Sheep just bending over) in Gitmo!! Prosecute them and sentence them quickly and justly!! This country is lost…i don’t care if you are dem/repub..just look at the posts here and you can see how divided we are….and you DA libs think that’s ok…you think you are winning…. as long as you get your entitlements, redistribution of wealth…abortions…same sex marriage….social programs….and the gov’t takes care of you, you think that’s the way it should be!! You are so blind to the evil that possesses you that you rot from inside. I don’t care if you believe in God or not….the stench that surrounds you and fills the air I breath will suffocate you in the end!!! My God has warned you and you defy HIM….wait til death and only then will you find out you lose!!!!

    • Bigg Papa

      Amen Bro

    • macgyver1948

      Hey Ron. I see you are a fan of murder. How do you know what other people think (“and you DA libs think that’s ok”… OR ..you think that’s the way it should be!! – LOL)? How would division be ok to anyone
      except those who want to steal power and hide behind that
      false patriotism. That is not the Left but it is in the Tea cup.

      You Right guys have got to learn to think/speak for yourselves and not
      others, you are not good at all at it but you do take your clues well..

  • DavidL

    “And it’s important to remember there’s little gain in vilifying the few
    Congressmen who put up a principled fight, when the entire charade was
    perpetrated from the far left. If Obama and Reid and lock-step Democrats
    weren’t hell-bent on borrowing more money.”

    That dog won’t hunt, Ben. The “few” that you admire are members of the deadbeat caucus and should, and are, being vilified by a majority of the American people for their irresponsible, ignorant, and destructive behavior.

    Ted Cruz, like many in your party, are blowhards and only interested in advancing the cause of Ted Cruz. He should know better than to put his politics ahead of the best interests of the country. He has embarrassed himself, his party, and far more worse, our country. Shame on all of you conservatives who cheer him on. When you do, you only reinforce the narrative about you that “conservatives believe government is incompetent, and they have the candidates to prove it.”

    Congratulations
    conservative/Republicans, President Obama, once again, just ate your lunch.

    • LtRuss,173rd Airborne, 66-67

      Just wait until he eats yours as he will. You are not going to like it when all your free stuff disappears. and it will. sucker!!!!

    • True American

      You are one dumb ass democrat. Turn off MSNBC long enogh to see the truth. You only want to destroy our great country by giving our money to the lazy poor. Why dont you try to get a job and pay your own way. No more entitlements to deadbeats.

      • macgyver1948

        True American…I see more from the Right still thinking they have the ability to say what other people “really” want. God didn’t give you that skill so why are you still faking it. And how do you know who has a job or not? Is that more of your Right programming? MSNBC is not the problem, it is your inability to think for yourself.

      • Deerinwater

        “No more entitlements to deadbeats.”

        how about no more entitlement period?

        Still believing that it’s about money? ~ as long as you believe it so, it will be.

      • smilee

        Does not matter what you think he is as he is telling you the truth and that is what counts

  • Vis Fac

    Bienvenidos mis amigos del país ahora es el suyo y que no tenía necesidad de disparar un tiro

    Libertas inaestimabilis res est
    Semper-Fi

    • Deerinwater

      just don’t get none on you. mi amigo

      • Vis Fac

        I’ll try but you know how $hit splatters. I have a nice rain suit and waders so I should be OK

        Libertas inaestimabilis res est
        Semper-Fi

  • Charlotte Juett

    How low can the RINOs go? Abject surrender to the will of the would be tyrant Obama, because they are afraid of the word racist. My God, when are they going to see the light, that Obama is deliberately destroying this country with the help of the Progressives in the Democrat Party. For progressive, read communist.

    • macgyver1948

      Charlotte Juett… I cannot believe you people on the Right are still so dead from the neck up to still accuse the Left of Communism. Are you a Fascist? Just asking.

      • Deerinwater

        She’s just a Dixiecrat, ~ without a party and has installed herself finding no political home. ~ she is not GOP, she not a fiscal conservative but a social one.

        • macgyver1948

          Deerinwater… I do not know her but I just go by her words. It’ a shame, isn’t it but it is so wide spread on the Right?

      • Charlotte Juett

        I am neither a Dixiecrat nor a RINO, I am a Constitutional Conservative that believes in limited government and a truly Free Market, which we have not had in this country since the formation of the Federal Reserve System.

        • Deerinwater

          again, ~~ another person that wants to believe that it’s about the money? ~ while she will admit that the money is not real.

        • smilee

          You also live in a fantasy world!!

          • Charlotte Juett

            Just exactly why is believing in country where the government is not watching your every word and is kept to the confines of the Constitution, so the people may be free and a monetary system that is completely voluntary living in a fantasy world. Oh, I forgot, with the state in control of our lives, it will never happen again.

          • smilee

            Like I said, You are living in a fantasy world!!

    • smilee

      We do not all have blinders on so we see everything as it is and it is not as you so wrongly perceive it!

  • Guest

    GOP = GUTLESS WIMPS! The G-O-P now stands for; Go Obama Prez!
    The downward spiral of this country will now turn into a straight total plunge into socialism.

    • macgyver1948

      bbnnmm… No, the real Nick name for the republicans I “Government Of the Corporate People. The non-affluent won here and that meant the majority of us. The longer the TPGOP’s Shutdown lasted the more the economy and so many Americans would hurt. IF defaulting is what the Right calls a “WIN” then we would have lost big if the TPGOP got what they wanted. The TPGOP got us the lower borrowing rating in 2011 and now this mess was tried to tale us down further. Even China calls this TPGOP SHUTDOWN a disaster in the making.

      • Deerinwater

        That’s much the way I see it as well macgyver1948.

        The GOP has four problems today, ~ a track record problem, a hyjacker problem, a conflicting message problem and a image problem.

        What they plan to do about , I don’t know. ~ Quit accepting money from the “ambiguous” with deep pockets and get their message right, would be a good start. Appeal to Real people. ~ and not an “address” and moniker.

        • macgyver1948

          Deerinwater… Yes, I see the GOP as having those 4 problems but I see a much bigger problem for them, The Tea Party which owns and controls them. They live by what the TP tells them to do or else (retracted promises for more money, no more primary or election wind and a lot of paid for bad press). And Norquist is Right in there with the control too .

          Let’s remember the GOP was responsible for the US Credit Rating drop in 2011. Is that an image or a credibility problem? :-)

          • Deerinwater

            They could solve that problem if they had the political courage. ~ It’s not uncommon to give something up for future gains. ~

            This ole dawg of playing both ends against the middle won’t hunt.

          • Deerinwater

            “Let’s remember the GOP was responsible for the US Credit Rating drop in 2011. Is that an image or a credibility problem? :-)

            Hmm? ~ I’d say a confidence problem. ~ as I see it ~ the values of anything depends on the perceived confidence held in it.

            Example; The civil war was started by lack of confidence in the federal government on the part of southern states leadership. No confidence, lessened the value of a once mutual happy and functioning union.

            The industry was business, the product was cotton and Whitney new power driven cotton gin ~ was a gift from the gods as the money rolled in. That the Federal government might interfere with such a great gift ~ was unforgivable.

          • macgyver1948

            Deerinwater… A confidence problem for sure but actions such as their Shutdown goes to credibility as well when it comes to how they do not want to work for us but instead the big corporations. .

            Yes, the Civil War was started by Southerns who felt their rights to own people, to own very cheap labor and perhaps satisfy their misguided feelings of “superiority”, and other things they felt was imposing on them by the central government. What has changed since then – it is a big business thing? Who knows but those same attitudes are running freely in Tea concepts, which pretty much totally control the majority of the GOP, all for the big corporations.

            You got it with “The industry was business, the product was cotton and Whitney new power driven cotton gin”. Just all for the big business, today and yesteryear. So what has changed for the greedy thing, now that it is all over the country and not just in the South,
            at everyone else’s expense?

        • Bull Frog Boxcutter

          NAH, their main problem is Reid & Obummer & Pe-LOUSY, et. al. & all the other DEMS would rather pull their fingernails out than cut a dime from the wasteful & fraudulent govt. programs!! & all the ignorant Big Nanny teat sucking Americans who agree!!

          • Deerinwater

            another man under the illusion that it about the money!

      • Charlotte Juett

        McGyver 1948, you really need to get your head examined. The Dems and Progressives are making slaves and dependent of as many citizens as possible, before turning the country over to the Communists.

        • smilee

          Your so confused!!

        • macgyver1948

          Charlotte Juett… I do, do I, need my head examined? Well even for a “Constitutional Conservative“,
          as you say you are, I wonder how much of the Constitution you really understand. As huge as the Government/country has grown it needs many of the regulations that are in place, wee need them to survive
          safely and healthy. We need many of the Agencies too but some of those need monitoring to a great extent as well.

          We very much cannot run the Government, larger if that happens (and I hope that doesn’t happen), and definitely not as it was at the beginning of the 20th
          Century as the Tea Party and Grover Norquist want, it will never work like that again. I feel we cannot survive to even try to do it their ways but if we do we will be live their dream of total Plutocracy and if that happens we, the non-affluent, will be the slaves, you too.Look it all up, do some research, and if you allow your mind to be
          open maybe you too can see there has to be better ways for people such as yourself and me to live with Liberty and freedom equally for all our citizens then how the Tea Party or the Norquists of the country want, that Plutocracy I mentioned. This TPGOP Shutdown was just one of their latest battles attempts and thank God they lost.

  • Alex

    The GOP tried to take the nation hostage and end up with stinking egg on their faces!
    Every single hostage demand was DENIED. They got NOTHING. They wanted accelerated oil prospecting–NO! They wanted to defund Obamacare–DENIED! They wanted to ease environmental regulations—GET OUTTA HERE! They wanted Keystone XL–TAKE A HIKE!
    They hurt American families and denied WW2 vets access to their memorial. They nearly destroyed the economy.

    They lost it all. The voters will remember and hopefully will overcome gerrymandered districting and retake the House in preperation for President Hillary.
    HAA!!! Loser Teagaggers…..
    You got NOTHING!

    • Warrior

      The first mortgage was a real deal. How about a second, third. fourth?

    • Deerinwater

      Don’t gloat ~it’s unbecoming a gentleman. ~ we got to move forward here, ~ mend fences and built bridges.

      While we cannot return the bullet back into the barrel of the gun, ~ we can address the damage that has been done.

      Perhaps it’s too much to ask but that is what must take place and not allow this to be all for naught.

      Functions of Government and the Church are an integral part of civilized society regardless of how one might feel about either.

      What Americans must understand is that when America catches a cold, the rest of the world catches the Flue.

      This world leadership responsibility is something that we have brought on ourselves and elected to shoulder.

      If we did not want such a responsibility , we should scale back on military spending and listen to leadership like Ron Paul might offer.

      Since we haven’t ~ listened to people like Ron Paul , and spend 5 to 1 on military matters compared to other nation. ~ America has a Patriarch role to play in world affairs.

      • ltbl123

        Gentleman? Right. Full speed ahead on the freeway to mass economic destruction. How about rolling back spending on everything until we quit borrowing 85 billion a day more than we collect in taxes?

        • Deerinwater

          I hate to tell you this, ~ but the money is not real. It might as well be match sticks. ~ we’ll pay the interest in match sticks and then everyone will be happy.

          • Motov

            Eventually, no one will want the dollar, and when that day comes, We will see the price of everything going up,…up,…and away!

          • ltbl123

            Deer… I don’t think that’s water you’ve been drinking.
            I fear your estimation of the compassion of our creditors is suspect. I think rather than continue funding our food stamps, retirement, and health care programs they will come to collect their Real Estate. Good luck on our matchstick paid military defending us from their foreclosure. Take comfort before this happens all the rednecks will have already been disarmed or killed.
            I think you may be correct about the money. It ceased being real when it ceased to be backed by silver or gold.

    • ltbl123

      He that rejoices at calamity will not go unpunished.

      • smilee

        Oh but it feels so good to see them spanked that hard. Sort of looks like they are the ones getting punished!

  • Warrior

    I support Ted Cruz. I never did have any use for “progressive community organizers”.

    • smilee

      Then welcome to the big losers club!

  • Bob666

    WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—Acknowledging that the government shutdown was coming to an end, an emotional Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) took to the Senate floor today to make an impassioned speech, telling his colleagues, “The dream of keeping poor people from seeing a doctor must never die.”

    His eyes welling up with tears, Sen. Cruz said, “I embarked on this crusade with a simple goal: to keep affordable health care out of the reach of ordinary, hard-working Americans. And while this battle was lost, that dream—that precious, cherished dream—will live on.”

    Reflecting on the government shutdown and near-default that almost touched off a global financial apocalypse, Sen. Cruz said, “We’ll give it another try in a few weeks.”

    Sen. Cruz’s closest ally, Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) also spoke reverently of the shutdown, calling it “the most expensive Civil War reënactment in history.”

    “Unfortunately, once again, the wrong side won,” he said.

    Over in the House of Representatives, Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) congratulated his colleagues on the deal to resolve the shutdown, telling reporters, “This proves that when we work together, we can come up with a totally unsatisfactory solution to a completely unnecessary crisis.”

    But the last word belonged to Sen. Cruz, who ended his emotional speech with a quiet benediction: “Goodnight stars. Goodnight air. Goodnight noises everywhere.”

    • MontieR

      Grow a damned brain cell MORON.

      • Bob666

        Yo Montie,

        “Grow a damned brain cell MORON”

        What a profound Statement, your mom must be proud!

        • macgyver1948

          Bob666… It’s no so easy to just let the it pass without responding, is it? LOL

    • Deerinwater

      bob666 says “Sen. Cruz’s closest ally, Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) also spoke reverently of the shutdown, calling it “the most expensive Civil War reenactment in history.”

      Right! ~ It could cost Lee his job before the dust settles. ~ Utah, Montana, New Mexico and Arizona might well be, ~ what we call “RED STATES” ~but they depend on the FEDERAL TeeT to keep the lights on and the money flowing like few other’s ~ as RED as they maybe, they are some of the first pigs to the trough.

      This “shut down of government” was much more then just an inconvenience to these states. And like all matters of spending, ~ the cause may come and go while the effect much longer lasting.

    • Alex

      A+ for Bob666===the bitter truth wrapped in a blanket of satire. Bravo!

      And Ben Crystalnacht thinks that HE’S funny! HAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Deerinwater

        yea he does! ~ which IS funny in it’s own special sort of way.

    • macgyver1948

      BOB666… I read this in my email just a couple of hours ago. Good stuff, HUH? Can you imagine “John Boehner is congratulating his colleagues on the deal to resolve the shutdown, telling reporters, “This proves that when we work together, we can come up with a totally unsatisfactory solution to a completely unnecessary crisis.””.

      Is that a couple of jokes or what considering their embarrassment, all the people and the economy they are hurting and the fact that the TPGOP engineered the damming Shutdown? Politics can be the funniest stuff if it wasn’t so hurtful as often as it is.

      Are the Repubs taking credit as a group working together for causing the Shutdown or their giving in as they did? LOL

      • Deerinwater

        Well, they will high five and spin it ~ what else are they left to do ?

        In defeat, ~ they must find a victory, ~ they have no choice.

        • smilee

          Once behind closed door they will have a good cry

          • macgyver1948

            smilee… the TPGOP wont be crying so much behind closed doors because they weren’t personally hurt by their Shutdown. The TPGOP might celebrate with the Left because it is over behind closed doors. Much of it is a big show at our expense much like the WWE.

        • macgyver1948

          Deerinwater..,. They are politicians who were bought and paid for by the TP and the GOP, and conflict-of-interest pledges, so naturally they shine up their images, undeservingly, taking credit when not due them (or blaming others for their actions when blame is due them) in these events as with many others, and they can fool the people again for the votes and $support for each of the next times.

          If we believe them again, and not see what they do, we will “meet the new bosses who are the same as the old owned bosses, and we will get fooled again” if we believe them. LOL. WHO said something like that before as some things never change if we ourselves do not in how we look at things?

    • Bill

      That’s the saddest story I ever heard

    • ltbl123

      Wow… thy manure spreader doth truly over-floweth! Beelzebub.

      • Bob666

        Wow Libl,

        The Humor went over your head????????

        After looking at many of your post, your manure spreader is piling up.

  • macgyver1948

    Looking at some of the comments here I have to ask…

    Why would a fight started by people who considered hurting, or at the
    very least extremely apathetic toward who and what they hurt, that
    being so many Americans and the economy, considered a good fight? All
    to hurt Obama and OCare. The Spending issue is a smoke screen, until
    they can really get to that, but The TPGOP is getting very good at lowering the US’s credit rating (Per their 2011 thing) . This TPGOP Shutdown has to stop before so many people are hurt irrecoverably.

    Also, let’s stop paying Unemployment to ex-Government workers, because if this TPGOP Shutdown, and get them back to earning the tax money.

    • Rajah The Rocker

      You are just as ignorant, devil-man….who have the IQ of a demented tadpole!!

      • Deerinwater

        well, that certainly clarify things.

      • Bob666

        Poor Rocker,
        Once again, so profound!

      • macgyver1948

        Rajah The Rocker … You seem to enjoy degrading people’s IQ when you do not agree with you. Very mature of you. LOL

  • Cro Magnet Man

    What is perplexing to me is why, even with a stop gap legislation here, the GOP does not hold out for some spending cuts to offset the limit raise!!! The crap has simply got to hit the fan sooner or later….one side can’t stop spending & the other will not draw a real line in the sand & stick to it!

    • smilee

      It already has hit the fan and they find them selves now covered with chitt

  • Bob666

    Breaking from Newsmax.com

    Houston Chronicle
    Un-endorses Cruz

    Things in the nation’s capital would look far different if Texas’ former Republican Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison were still in office, says the Houston Chronicle, which endorsed Ted Cruz in last November’s election.

    With Cruz and fellow tea party lawmakers spearheading efforts to dismantle Obamacare that shut down the federal government, Cruz’s hometown paper now regrets that decision, noting that its endorsement came “with many reservations and at least one specific recommendation — that he
    follow Hutchison’s example in his conduct as a senator.”

    “We miss her extraordinary understanding of the importance of reaching across the aisle when necessary,” the paper said.

    “Obviously, [Cruz] has not done so,” the editorial continued. “Cruz has been part of the problem in specific situations where Hutchison would have been part of the solution.”

    • ltbl123

      What solution? Why have a two party system at all if fiscal reason must be abandoned, and a terrible piece of legislation must be funded. Democrats are about as bi-partisan as the former Soviet Union Politburo.
      With the exception of a few conservatives… Republicans have learned a new trick…roll over on your back wag your tail so Obama can scratch your belly. Pathetic.

      • Deerinwater

        I’ll gladly point you on that one. Hey. it’s only money and it’s not real much less actually belonging to anyone. We get to touch it and look at it.

    • ch2801

      And you know now to cancel your subscription to the Houston Cronicle

  • macgyver1948

    Shutdown
    2013 – Another last moment “agreement”(?). Was this scripted by
    Stephen King? Considered King is probably a democrat (since
    1978 he donated $113,000 to the Democratic party. That is a
    good indication of his political preference). So he would script the
    TPGOP Shutdown as the horror story they are to us. Truth in
    Literature, LOL. Thank God it is over – until the TPGOP tries
    again.

    • smilee

      The vote indicates very strong bipartisan support in both houses for this bill and it was drafted by bipartisanship.and made the tea baggers look as foolish and stupid as they really are, They got a revision of the way subsidy verification is done but that was also in the original bill and it actually improved the law but that is little to brag about as this was a complete failure on the part of the teabaggers and could have easily been gotten without them shutting the gov down.Do you think if Obama says no next time they will believe him, they should have known he meant it when he said.it this time. .

      • macgyver1948

        smilee… Obama is a politician and he was hoping there will never be a next time because even partial Shutdowns hurt the people, as always, as it does not hurt the politicians – but hopefully it will hurtful for the politicians who started and supported it at election time. Believing Obama on that is a hope but not necessarily a fact. The TPGOP will do their deeds to hurt us, with apathy, whenever they can in favor of the big corporations

  • Motov

    Screwed again!
    Damned the torpedoes!, Icebergs, Mines, and Pirates!
    Full speed ahead,

  • Sic Semper Tyrannis

    Congress created the “permanent debt ceiling” in 1960. Since then, there have now been 79 increases in the “permanent” debt ceiling and counting! We are truly on a ship of fools known as the USS Titanic operated by RINO’s, Neocons, Democommies, First Mate “Helicopter Ben” Bernanke and Captain Question Mark except that unlike the Titanic of old, she will sink much, much faster. Like the Bismarck, she is now rudderless, dysfunctional, and a sitting duck for her enemies, and even worse, she has very precious little fuel left for her engines to propel herself forward. Nonetheless, full speed ahead!!!

  • smilee

    You are apparently on the losing side in the shutdown outcome, do you need a crying towel?

    • macgyver1948

      smilee… Nope,,, I am not of the Tea Party side, you know the Big Corporate side, so it is not me who is either crying or losing, not America either. Don’t worry though, The Tea Party will try again soon enough to hurt us in favor of the big corporations. Then you can smilee again until
      hopefully they fail again.

  • Harold Olsen

    I made up my mind year ago to never, ever vote for a Democrat. The way the GOP is acting, I may never, ever vote for another Republican either. They have shown themselves to be subservient to the Democrats. The offer token opposition to the Democrats, but, in the end, cave. We have no real leadership in our government. All we have are a bunch of immature children in the three branches of government without adult supervision.

    • Motov

      Yup,.. Well said!
      We need Andrew Napolitano, or someone like him in the oval office.

    • Bob666

      Yo Warrior,
      That is probably the most lucid comment that you have made.

      There is hope for you!

    • jaybird

      I have days that I want to give up, but I think of the children and swear to fight to the end. I will never vote Democrat. We just might need that one more person’s vote for the right person to win and that vote might be yours. Don’t give up or in.

  • pnwdave

    It’s a sad day in America when only a very few of our eleceted representatives stand for the people who elected them, while the RINO’s and the “progressives” continue to drive the country to it’s knees.
    IMHO, this is another failure of the elected leadership of this country.

  • terryk

    Not only did we lose last night when the GOP caved again but our children and their children lost. They are well on their way to becoming slaves to a new Master the federal government and the elitists that are in control. This country once the bastion of freedom is becoming lost.

  • Jim B

    This sucks! As of yesterday it’s all mute, our government will continue piling up the nations debt until complete and utter destruction, that is when everything stops, and we are thrown back into a third world country status. The latest global study shows that we are ranked like number 17th as one of the freest countries on the planet… 17th even though we invented it! The facts are the facts, the evidence is everywhere, our government is one great big screw up, and we just gave them some more rope to hang us all with!
    Well at least the non-essential government workers will get full back pay for their time off, and the politicians, including BHO don’t have to join the ObamaCare ranks… not good enough for them, besides they can’t get on to join anyways.

  • Der Metzger

    I see so many of you talking. So many people and still, nothing gets done.

  • Debbie Biersdorfer

    Our debt will continue to grow until our nation is destroyed, People don’t care, you have my permission to cut out anything, but just don’t cut off mine. We have become a country of give me’s. People left their parents homes where all their needs were taken care of now they want the government to take over. Until people wake up there is no hope for our country. Do I sound depressed yes a tear is running down my cheek as I’m writing this. I came from a day when my grandfather would have knocked you flat if you had offered him welfare. Men took care of their families and not put them off on the taxpayer.

  • macgyver1948

    Rajah The Rocker… Of course I am, how could you see me any other ways if I do not see things your ways. That is the problem with so many on the Right, you get so easily angry with those who do not agree with you. If you cannot see the huge damages the Tea Party, and their puppets in the GOP, are causing, especially now with their Shutdown (thank God it is over), then your support for them will continue to hurt so many in America.. Good for you… If you think I think the Left is perfect then you too are adhering to what you are wrongfully being told of us by the Right.

  • macgyver1948

    Deerinwater… I do not often like secrets either but we have to do something about that with “our public” government. Who really out side those closed doors does? But we have to take a lot and show our protests
    for the foul decisions and actions made by government people in “our names”. We need to tell our reps in great numbers what we want before they screw things up so it isn’t harder after. I say great numbers because one or even a few of us do not have the needed clout
    with them if we aren’t very wealthy and influential. Trying individually and seeing what big lobby and special inters groups can and have done/accomplish should tell us what works and what doesn’t.

    Yes we can learn a lot listening to the stories of the elderly if we trust them. It was interesting to see you say, this very old misconception . “Today she was recounting hearing one of her distant relatives say, ~ “If I thought that was an ounce of nizzer blood in me , I’d cut it out with a knife”. That must have made a big impression on her, ~ as she still remembers it so
    well”, to feel that kind of blind programmed ignorance still exists today”. I guess when people think they are superior to others they can be stupid in your bigotry. I remember the stories from my aging relatives when I was a kid and they stick with me.

    Yep, hate is taught and we are not born with it. Sad stuff there. Hate is the opposite of God but even God gets angry.

    Hopefully people’s attitudes are changing for the better. Less stupid bigotry, not that is any other kind, and more of each of us voting for what is in our personal best interests and not what will primarily benefit special interests at our expense because we were duped by the politicians we chose to believe.

  • jaybird

    The Republicans have reached across the party line but the other hand is palm up.

  • macgyver1948

    With Government Shutdowns no one wins but maybe those who threatened them and then forced them on us, IF they succeed. The Tea Party and their GOP forced this on us and they are totally responsible for the outcome. It is a good thing the Shutdown didn’t last any longer but it did cause its damages to many, as well as to the economy, in the mean time. The TPGOP deserve no credit in the ending of it, just in the damages they caused.

  • macgyver1948

    This is for all who believes the Government shouldn’t force Health Care on
    anyone, not in a free and Liberty based society, but is it specifically addressed to TheOriginalDaveH since he presented us with the question some place on this site….

    I cannot find the page the question of Dave’s was presented on now, on
    the site, but I received it in an email today with no connection to this site other than being informative. He asked before, here on this site, “Where is the Power vested in Congress to Force people to buy Healthcare Insurance, Cagey?”. Thanks for asking, TheOriginalDaveH, :-).

    “This is for all who believes the Government shouldn’t force Health Care on
    anyone” as well as for TheOriginalDaveH. And since ObamaCare was an issue with the Shutdown for the TPGOP, as well as the debt ceiling and other things, here is a reminder. Did someone not want us to know or remember this?

    I agree with you, the Mandate and other tag along items in ObamaCare
    need to be removed, and maybe some other things. Wow, we agree on
    something so let’s see why. Health care should not be a threat, “get
    it or else”.

    You may or may not remember the Mandate, as we have called it since at
    least when it was dumped into ObamaCare, maybe sooner, or when it
    went to the House Committee (it wasn’t in OCare when it arrived), or
    maybe since it went to SCOTUS, was a GOP Item since the GOP tried
    putting their failed National Health Care project/Bill through Congress in 1992. When ObamaCare came back form the House committee to the White House with those GOP items slid into it Obama said, at least twice that I remember, he didn’t want those GOP items in but he had no choice if he wanted National Health Care passed. That is the effect of Political Compromise, some one(s) or group(s) gets hurt pretty much every time.

    So TheOriginalDaveH, and all those who hate ObamaCare, we agree that the Mandate should be removed and now you know why, in case you forgot or was told to forget, it is in ObamaCare. LOL, I think I shared this piece of
    history on this site before a few times. Live with it or tell your Right side to take it out, as if it would be that easy since it was passed and approved by the SCOTUS, as it should be out and actually never should have been included, along with other TPGOP nasty inclusions.

    I believe Governor Romney had it in RomneyCare for Massachusetts and so
    many in Massachusetts hated him for it along with other things he did
    to them, like kill jobs and send many jobs overseas and his economics
    programs. Now why did Romney not come close to winning Massachusetts
    in his presidential run for President? HHHMMM. Is it that hard to
    figure out since those in Massachusetts knew him and his “governing”
    job performance in politics? Oh but that is in the past, much like
    the GOP’s attempt to get their failed National Health Care program
    passed in 1992, and we should not be concerned with the lessons of
    history. I get it, Right?

    I am still wondering why ObamaCare was approved by the SCOTUS, since there was a majority of Republicans on the big court, as well as why the GOP insisted it be in OCare in the first place. I bet the TPGOP knew they would hate anything with Obama’s name on it Right from the beginning. Don’t ya just got to love POLITICS for the entertainment value, just like the WWE? LOL.

    • Jeff

      The somewhat ironic aspect of the whole healthcare debacle is that had the Democrats gone with a single payer system, there would be no real Constitutional issue for either Original Recipe or Extra Crispy to raise. If the Government decided to tax everyone and cover everyone (Medicare Writ Large), there’d be no Constitutional issue, but there would be even more of a political issue (i.e. “the Gov’t takeover”). Because Obama decided early on to “compromise” with the Republicans (even though they offered nothing), he decided against single payer and against a Public Option and in favor of a Heritage Foundation idea guaranteeing the profitability of private insurance companies through the individual mandate. I don’t know of anyone, save Aetna and Blue Cross, who likes the individual mandate. At first blush, the idea that the Government can mandate that someone buy something from a private company sounds vaguely fascistic, but the unique nature of the health insurance market mandates that (1) there be a regulatory mechanism to be sure consumers don’t get ripped off as the insurer has all the information and the insured has none and (2) that as many people as possible be covered since,in reality, everyone will be treated should they be found dying on the street of a heart attack, gunshot wound,or the victim of a hit and run.

      Buying health insurance is not like buying a car or a flat screen TV. No one knows to what disease he might fall victim and when, so the very idea of “intelligent choice” in this area is an oxymoron. A cut-rate policy covering only certain ailments might be worth nothing, and it is certainly a legitimate function of Government to protect people from not being covered when they most need to be. Plus,we all have an interest in the good health of our fellow citizens (yes, even of DaveH). It is simply not healthy for a society to have millions of citizens who cannot get healthcare until they’re at death’s door. Most of our health budget is spent on heroic measures to keep people alive in the last months of life. Perhaps if we spend a bit more on prevention in youth and middle age,there will be less of a need for such heroic measures when people get older.

      Diabetes is a perfect example. In the case of Type II, many cases can be prevented through lifestyle choices early in life. In both Types I and II, good medical treatment and access to proper medication can forestall or even prevent the onset of the worst outcomes, to wit: amputation, blindness, kidney disease,etc. According to DaveH,if you are afflicted with such an ailment, it’s your own fault or your own bad luck but it’s no concern of his – just as long as you don’t have your stroke right in front of his house!

      • macgyver1948

        Hi Jeff… I have been saying or a long time the “political
        compromise” always offers a “take from A to give to B”
        situation which is the nature of compromise. When Obama says he will talk with the Republicans about a given situation to work things out I wonder who among us will be hurt. I am so glad Obama held his ground with the TPGOP, who are the total cause of the Shutdown, when it came to certain hurtful issues but I still wonder who among us will be losing. And Compromises do tend to cost us more later as well.

        The Shutdown can be referred to as a TPGOP “Gov’t takeover” because there were victims/hostages during it. Yeah, if everyone was taxed it would be a fairer and Constitutional thing but there would still be those complaining. There are people without kids complaining about paying the school portion of their property taxes. Medicare is a good thing, I have it and the premiums are not bad. If they can do that for the now eligible then why not for all, or “ Medicare Writ Large” as you say. It is more and more clear many of the
        corporations want to cut their benefits package expenses (well all expenses including payroll), maybe some want to do that to zero, so why not a Medicare thing. Over the past few decades I noticed and felt the value of those corporate med benefits diminishing in value. I remember for years in the beginnings of my career a co-pay cost me between $2 and $5 a visit. Lately it is above $20 or more (that can be expensive for many people) and it’s less in value in other areas as well.

        Diabetes is a good example but you could have picked from many. Dave H seems to feel anything that might help others is unfair to him and violates his sense of compassion (does he have any?) and if he should have any. I can see if the self-inflicted diseases caused by tobacco, and there are many different kinds, might be an abuse on my pocket but I still wouldn’t deny those who self-induce the med care they need. Some day we may come to our senses and charge back the Pharmaceutical companies for the diseases their pills cause when we try to manage a specific disease with their products stated purpose but that will not happen as long as the FDA is working for their protection. Same thing with food additives and preservatives and substitutes. How much can Health Care
        cover us from those after the accumulations of them in our bodies? More pills to fight those diseases that will cause more (other) diseases? LOL.

        You say “save Aetna and Blue Cross, who likes the indi vidual
        mandate.”. I think the Mandate is that Insurance Companies wet dream I mentioned the other day. The Mandate is probably not the problem for insurance companies so much but maybe that ObamaCare, for the most part, is trying make coverage more affordable for more people (so they aren’t found dying in the streets as you mention) and to get the insurance companies to be more fair instead of just “Doing
        business as usual” against us. Just some thoughts.

        • Jeff

          Diehard rightwingers like Original Dave have a different view of “fairness” from that recognized by most non-wingnuts. If I see a situation where Family A has everything and Family B has nothing, I see that an unfair system has somehow permitted that. DaveH sees unfairness if Family B gets a few dollars in foodstamps so the kids don’t starve. What conservatives don’t want to acknowledge is that not all economic success is indicative of moral superiority. Some people work really hard,but the system is set up so they can never get ahead. It might be education level; it might be the ability to use the language; or it might be a mis-step someone made years ago. It seems to me, and I think to most fair-minded people, that the measure of a compassionate society is the ability to give someone a second chance and to establish a floor below which we won’t allow someone to live. The problem is to rightwingers like Dave, that kind of true compassion sounds like Stalin speaking. I’m not sure that language gap can be bridged.

          • macgyver1948

            Jeff… “Rightwingers” like the very UN-Original Dave is bad enough to try to get into a rational conversation with but I have ‘chatted’ with a couple on here even worse. The funny thing, and a good thing, is that they try to tell you things about yourself you know are not
            true so it deflates their credibility from the start. I do bet the Tea Party loves them. They aren’t just to laugh at because their kind can be dangerous unless they are only bad Internet wind, like the stereotype bullies with no push, just wind.

            The System can be very unfair. I have seen people turned down by it when they were in desperate need of help but they were told “you make too much money for us to help” when you earn poverty wages. I have
            seen favors done when they weren’t deserved. I have seen payola for guilty defendants in court, one was a friend of mine and I saw the money exchange hands. Even the Judge had to get smeared for it to work, the numbers can’t be explained any other way. I haven’t seen that friend in many years but I remember.

            Food stamps are a funny thing. Many people who apply either get totally turned down or they get so little it hardly pays. Some get an ok amount. I know a guy who gets $15 a month in Food Stamps because his
            all alone living allows him only about $1000 a month from Social Security and that is too much to receive more from FS.

            I see many on the Right who just do not care if kids, or anyone else, starves. They are told it comes from their pockets so they feel victimized by the Government in favor of those who are only free-loading. Better top let them starve and/or go homeless than to be compassionate as Jesus may have conveyed.

            It is tough to get ahead when who you are goes against what the system wants for you. My dad went to college but he didn’t get very far as a Real Estate agent but I did a lot better than he. I was lucky but so
            many are not. It’s hard swimming upstream when the water is made out of sand paper but some do it. I had help from the GI Bill and then from benefits my employers gave took me further. But many are trained
            to believe they aren’t supposed to make it so they don’t try. I think the Right counts on that too. People have to break themselves out of that mold and it begins with them believing they can.

            Youare right, it doesn’t help when “It might be education level; it might be the ability to use the language; or it might be a mis-step someone made years ago”. The mis-step things for the religious
            fanatics. King David committed murder. He killed the guy who was married to the chick David was doing. He got another chance when he expressed remorse after a Prophet gave him a “clue” from the best One to get a clue from. As for the other stuff, lack of enough
            education, inability to use our language, whatever. We have to doi those things for ourselves or find groups who can help. That cannot be said enough because there are so many out there who will hold us
            back if they can, we don;t need to do it ourselves.

            You are so correct with “It seems to me, and I think to most fair-minded people, that the measure of a compassionate society is the ability to give someone a second chance and to establish a floor below which we won’t allow someone to live”. But you last sentence
            is only touching the service with what you say, and I very much agree, is “ rightwingers like Dave, that kind of true compassion sounds like Stalin speaking. ”. I have a whole theory why there is so much of that and it comes from those who supported the JBS (and their successors today), Senator McCarthy and his cross
            dresser buddy in the FBI and so on. JBS called President Eisenhower a commie because he wouldn’t totally support the big Corporations but I wonder if it was also because he fought against the Nazis in WW2. I told you it was just a theory, or is it? LOL.