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Sheeple: Another Look At A Sad Breed

February 5, 2013 by  

Sheeple: Another Look At A Sad Breed
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Some phrases are steeped in immediately recognizable symbolism. When we hear them, we instantly know to whom and to what the phrases refer; we can even gain a greater depth of understanding to a particular situation because of them. They cause us to step outside our environment and look at it in an entirely different way. They might make us laugh. They might make us cry. But we are not indifferent to these affecting words.

The term “sheeple” has quickly become a word that defines an era. It is not just a tool for ridicule, though it does indeed seem to hurt the feelings of the ignorant and unaware (which, to my mind, is a good thing; if they can feel shame about their factual inadequacies, then perhaps one day they can be redeemed). No, there is much more going on here.

When one is surrounded by blatant absurdity and total loss of freedom, compassion and humanity, he needs a way to describe the horror, to shed light on the dark insanity of it, to remove the barriers of confusion and to build a clear path to reason. He needs to quantify the threat so that he can move beyond it and toward understanding.

In our modern age, we are absolutely stricken with an epidemic of willful idiocy that bears no rational excuse. A century ago, such behavior in a culture could have been chocked up to a bottleneck in the flow of concrete information. But today, mankind has a veritable buffet of data at his fingertips at any given moment. Facts and truth can be found with a mere modicum of effort and a remedial passion for learning. We can plead “lack of access” no longer.

Yes, our government and our society have become corrupt to the core. Yes, the traditional sources of information in the mainstream media are utterly useless and dishonest. Yes, our public educational system is completely Federalized, and our schools have been warped into lemming factories where young minds are bled dry of all creative power and individuality. Yes, the system we are born into is designed to make us stupid. However, the establishment has not yet been able to extinguish our ability to walk away. We all have a choice: to be taught by others or to learn for ourselves.

At the end of the day, sheeple are sheeple not because they have to be, but because they want to be.

It is the greatest and most exploitable weakness of man: our willingness to sacrifice anything in order to avoid admitting we know nothing. This is the philosophical slum of the common “sheeple.” It is pathetic and ugly, and it is a rampant plague upon the world.

The time is coming (very soon, I believe) when the subpopulation of sheeple will be used as cannon fodder to institute change in America on an unprecedented scale. It has happened many times throughout history. The establishment, seeking unlimited power, brandishes the dimmer subsections of the populous like a political baseball bat, swinging them about wildly in an attempt to smash the ideological enemies of the state. Often, the sheeple are oblivious to the fact that they are being used as a weapon against liberty and truth. They know only that they must participate to survive, even if that survival ends up being a hollow and meaningless life.

Now more than ever it is important for the liberty movement to understand and identify who these people are and what makes them tick. Time grows short, and it is easy for us to become mired in the haze of a glassy-eyed herd. Sheeple can be saved from themselves, but only if they can be made to recognize these particular behaviors as part and parcel of their own folly.

Institutionalized Laziness

Some sheeple are not ignorant because they are unintelligent. Rather, they are ignorant because they refuse to expend any energy in discovering the facts of their world. They have become used to the idea of being taught, rather than going out to learn for themselves. It is easier to be told what to think than it is to develop one’s own worldview. Sheeple often state that they “just want to be left alone” and “don’t want to think about the troubles of the world,” yet nearly all of them at the same time want to feel as though they have an effect on the future. They want the benefits of a sound and balanced society, but they don’t want to put in the work to make such a society possible. They want “other people” to make the system work, and “other people” are certainly willing to take advantage of sheeple inaction.

Arrogance Without Merit 

I have met many people in my life who are not fully aware of how their world works or why terrible things happen to them. This by itself is not necessarily bad. If one is able to accept that he needs to learn more, then he has far surpassed most of society in the strength of his character. Unfortunately, sheeple do not share this attitude. They not only lack remedial knowledge on most issues, but they are also unwilling to admit it. They even viciously attack those who do have substantial information.

Is this due to an inferiority complex? Possibly. They are so invested in the mainstream worldview as presented by media entities and government that they take it as gospel. They live the mainstream ideal; but, secretly, they harbor doubts. They know that they do not have the capacity to defend the system if confronted by an intelligent and well-versed opponent, so they develop a demeanor of arrogance and contempt for those who question it. This uppity manner is a defense mechanism meant to hide the weakness of their arguments. Combined with ad hominem attacks and physical threats, sheeple try to ward off critics so they do not have to engage in a legitimate debate they know they will lose.

Always Worried What The ‘Majority’ Thinks 

Sheeple are steeped in the realm of the mainstream, so much so that they have become nothing but a cog in the machine of the collective mind. Their entire existence is predicated on blind faith in the system. If the system is proven to be flawed, then they are proven to be flawed by extension. They will ignore all reason and defend the system wildly, as if trapped by some cult, because their fragile identity is dependent upon the continued prosperity of the establishment.

In most cases, sheeple are motivated by nothing but fear. In their early years, they likely either caved to the force of peer pressure and learned to diminish their personal pain by constantly conforming to the majority view or sought inclusion in the majority very early on and became addicted to the power that the collective is able to wield over others. In either case, they never actually questioned whether or not the “majority” was right in its behavior. Instead, they decided at some point in their life that the majority is always right simply because it is the majority.

Never Questions The Professional Class

Sheeple are easily impressed by anyone with a nice suit, uniform, lab coat or an embossed diploma or title. They see and revere the costume, regardless of the man inside it. For sheeple, titles and positions of arbitrary authority make the opinions of a man more than opinion; his opinions suddenly become law.

While a liberty movement activist looks for the legitimacy within the individual professional, the sheeple place all faith within the institution that professional represents.  His personal character is of no consequence to them, and the idea that he may have no clue what he is talking about does not occur to them.

Obsession With The State

Because the average sheeple hasn’t the slightest inkling of how to be independent or self-sufficient, they attach their survival to the success of the state. They see the word of the state as sacrosanct, and they have no concept of government by the people. They will sing the praises of democratic elections and the will of the public in general participation; but when the state goes against that will and does what it pleases, they will seek to rationalize this criminality.

For them, government might be fallible (or not), but this fallibility does not change the finality of state authority. The government is not to be interfered with and certainly not to be opposed. To stand against the state is to stand against law; and the law, in their minds, is god. Questions of morality are irrelevant. They have become so far detached from their consciences that there is nothing left but a pitch-black void, waiting to be filled with the demands of oligarchy.

When confronted by men who are willing to fight and die to interfere with the abuse of state authority, they respond with shock and revulsion. How could anyone possibly stand against the will of the mainstream and its government champions? How dare they defy the establishment?

Predictable Responses

Sheeple are highly predictable, two-dimensional creatures. When confronted with their own failings, they will follow a pre-programmed list of responses meant to divert and confuse discussion.

They will claim that “everyone thinks they are smarter than everyone else” and that the “truth is relative.” History does not support this twisted view, however. There are always moments in which some people are morally and intellectually correct, while many others are dangerously misguided. Some people make decisions that lead to chaos and destruction while others make decisions that lead to prosperity and creation. The truth — the cold, hard truth — is not relative. It is unyielding, uncompromising and final. To be successful as human beings requires us to be on the right side of truth more often than we are not. To assume that the truth is malleable to our particular desires of the moment is to always be on the wrong side.

Sheeple rely primarily on character assassination and belligerent disregard for logic in order to derail debate. They do not attack your position so much as they attack you personally. They scoff, giggle and taunt like children; but when it’s all over, they usually say very little of any substance.

Finally, they will use the weapon of majority opinion as a get-out-of-jail-free card; and, in most cases, this is not a ploy. They really do believe that if the larger percentage of the public accepts a conviction, then that conviction automatically becomes fact. Their goal, therefore, is to constantly ride the wave of majority opinion so that they will always be in a position of righteousness. Of course, this way of thinking has in the past led to some of the worst atrocities in history. The collective mind has no concern for individual freedom, including the freedom to live in peace. Violence in the name of conformity is very common in such cultures.

Sheeple are puppets in the game of political reconstruction, and it’s their job to cheerlead the establishment and to drown out all honest voices. They are generally remorseless as long as they never have to face tangible consequences for their blind support of the system. They seek to strengthen the bars of the prison because the outside world of free thought and expression intimidates and paralyzes them. In an environment where survival is dependent on individual merit and principle, sheeple hold no currency, no capital. This might explain their overt hatred of individualists. When we in the liberty movement seek to unchain and decentralize the world, we indirectly cut the umbilical cord to them. They see our fight for freedom as a threat to their very lives. Sadly, their comfort is derived entirely from our enslavement.

–Brandon Smith

Brandon Smith

is the founder of the Alternative Market Project, an organization designed to help you find like-minded activists and preppers in your local area so that you can network and construct communities for barter and mutual aid. Join Alt-Market.com today and learn what it means to step away from the unstable mainstream system and build something better. You can contact Brandon Smith at: brandon@alt-market.com

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  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    THE LABEL, “sheeple,” DOES NOT FIT EVERYONE. LIFE IS ABOUT LIVING A DAILY EXISTENCE WHICH IS AS CLOSE TO BEING STRESS-FREE AS POSSIBLE. SINCE ALL CITIZENS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE LAW-ABIDING, DOING “WHAT YOU ARE TOLD,” BY THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT ALWAYS INDICATE IGNORANCE AND UNAWARENESS.

    AS LONG AS, YOU HAVE THE LIBERTY TO LIVE ON A DAILY BASIS WITH A LEVEL OF HAPPINESS WHICH IS COMFORTABLE FOR YOU [AS, AN INDIVIDUAL], “TAKING ORDERS” WILL SEEM AS ROUTINE AS PAYING TAXES.

    SELF-HAPPINESS IS THE KEY.

    • http://personalliberty Alondra

      “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted. Let them alone. They are BLIND leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blinds, all will fall into a ditch.” – Jesus Christ

      • http://personalliberty Alondra

        “The Supreme Court on Monday rejected the first EMERGENCY individual filing related to a recent lower court decision that invalidated O’Homobama’s three recess appointments to the National Labor Relations Board.”

        It’s unbelievable, but it was the Liberal Justice Ginsburg, who rejected the filing.

        The Kenyan Jungle Bunny can continue to chew his carrot.

        “Fiat justitia ruat caelum” – “Let justice be done though the heavens fall”

      • http://none Susan

        So so right..

      • http://omanuel.wordpress.com/about omanuel

        The sad fact is just this, and nothing less:

        Society is insane – totally out of contact with reality. World leaders are part of the problem. We can’t help them or society by fighting or scoffing at their ignorance.

        The basic problem is just this: World leaders and leaders of the scientific community decided in 1945 to

        a.) Form the United Nations to save the world from nuclear annihilation on 24 Oct, and to

        b.) Hide the source of energy that vaporized Hiroshima and Nagasaki on 6 and 9 July.

        That source of energy – neutron repulsion in the cores of heavy atoms, some planets, ordinary stars (e.g., the Sun’s pulsar core) and galaxies – :

        c.) Created our elements,

        d.) Birthed the solar system five billion years (5 Gyr) ago,

        e.) Sustained the origin and evolution of life from three-four billion years (3.5 Gyr) ago,

        f.) Endowed mankind with creativity, talents and inalienable rights to self-governance, and

        g.) Maintains contact today with every atom in the entire solar system, including every atom in you and me.

        Since 1945, society has been foolishly taught that life has no purpose, no good orderly direction, no God. That is the root of the insanity that threatens the very survival of our society today.

        With deep regrets,
        Oliver K. Manuel
        Former NASA Principal
        Investigator for Apollo
        See last post (in progress) on http://omanuel.wordpress.com/about

      • Kate8

        Omauel – Yes, but this knowledge is, in some, spontaneously awakening.

        Such as these may not know all of the names, they whys or the hows, but can FEEL them, and are beginning to utilize this emerging understanding for the good of all.

        Nothing can be hidden forever. That which is inherent will emerge sooner or later, because it cannot be held back when it’s time has come.

        Whatever knowledge is required is being sought, and found, even in places where it is hidden to most.

        Have faith. Things are not entirely as they seem. Or even at all.

      • Kinetic1

        Alondra,
        Do you truly expect your words (or yourself) to be taken seriously when you use epitaphs like “O’Homobama’s” “The Kenyan Jungle Bunny ” to describe the President? Even if you do not accept his legitimacy you could at least refrain from racism and homophobia.

      • http://personalliberty Alondra

        “Alabama high school psychology teacher Bob Grisham has been suspended for 10 days without pay for a rant that included calling the first lady “FAT BUTT Michelle Obama.” A student in Grisham’s class made an audio recording of the remarks, which also included derogatory comments about gays.”

        “Grisham (teacher) has been barred from teaching his class for the rest of the school year and ordered to attend SENSITIVITY TRAINING … He will be assigned “other academic duties” for the rest of the year in place of teaching his class.”

        “Grisham will also have to meet MONTHLY with Mark Butler, the school system’s personnel director, to make sure he is meeting his requirements.”

        I guess that the “meeting his requirements” means to accept the PERVERSION and DEPRAVITY (by mandate!!!)

        Congratulation America!

        • Deerinwater

          I would not wish to be required to have my children listen to such commentary , any political commentary to be correct.

      • Kate8

        Alondra – Of course, this would have been a non-issue if this had been said by a black teacher toward a white VIP. The double-standard is beginning to do that for which it was always intended: create anger, resentment and racial division.

        Blacks have become untouchables, while whites are fair game.

        I recently read a quote, which I don’t recall the exact words, but which states: you can know who is in control by observing who it is who can’t be criticized.

        BTW, I recently learned the “secret of the Irish” which has been hidden from us for so long. That being, the Irish were rounded up (to include MOST of the population of Ireland) by British slave traders and sold into slavery in the US (and probably other countries, too). They were considered of less value that black slaves, and were treated far more harshly. They were even bred with blacks (against their will) to create mulatto slaves, which were prized and, also, were free. Like breeding livestock.

        This inconvenient bit of history has been erased because the issue of black slavery was much more easily exploited by the elite for instilling white guilt. Pitting races against each other is much more inflammatory than creeds (the Irish were hated largely because Catholicism was hated by the English.)

        The elite still look at all of us as slaves, herds.

      • eddie47d

        Why is so much disrespect shown by anyone? Why does Alondra use it so often? Apparently it has been accepted in all quarters as normal behavior.

      • Karolyn

        Behavior from a teacher like that should not be acceptable in any school. Teachers are supposed to be respectful, especially in high school. No matter what they might think in private, it should not be brought into the classroom. Bad example, but I would imagine many of the posters here teach their children to speak that way.

      • Karolyn

        Kate – Well, I gotta say; that’s some psychology teacher! You really believe that behavior like that from a teacher is Ok???

      • http://personalliberty Alondra

        Bingo!
        Kinetic1 a.k.a. Karolyn, to your disappointment my words are reasoning with the majority.

        Of cause I “do NOT accept his legitimacy”. The Kenyan jungle bunny O’Homobama is the FRAUD that the world history NEVER knew before. Beyond that he is a serial CRIMINAL.

        Truly yours,
        Alondra, LiberalGIST, definite HOMOPHOBE & Islamophobe, the PC snubber and the Hater of the VOLUNTARY Stupidity and Idiocy.

        P.S. Kinetic1, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try again.

        “I never give them hell. I just give them the TRUTH, and they think it is hell.” — Harry S. Truman

      • Kate8

        Karolyn – I never said such behavior from a teacher is okay. I was simply stating that there is a double standard.

        It is NOT okay, ever, to say such things to students. And yet, black teachers have been caught defaming whites in class and nothing happens to them.

        I think everyone should be held to account for such behavior, yet they are not.

      • http://personalliberty Alondra

        Kate @1:19 pm
        Kate, it’s called DISCRIMINATION of majority by AFFIRMATIVE and PERVERT minorities.

        More than 2300 years ago the world’s most influential Ancient Greek Philosopher Plato warned humanity:

        “The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be RULED BY EVIL MEN.”

        Kate, God is not mocked. What America sowed, now she reaps.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Karolyn, why is it wrong for the teacher/coach to say what he did? He didn’t say anything that was wrong except for the fact that you and your kind are the Society of the Perpetually Offended.

        • Deerinwater

          A class teacher does not need to talking to student about the size of any woman’s or man’s ass Nadzieja. ~

      • http://gravatar.com/cbgard Carlucci

        Didn’t most of the people of Germany do the very thing Brandon is talking about? They claimed in the Nuremberg trials that they had no idea what was really going on behind the scenes (death camps with ovens, etc.).

      • macgyver1948

        Alondra… I don’t believe I am going to do this considering the conversations we have but in a way I agree with you, in a way. I wouldn’t go around saying things like “FAT BUTT Michelle Obama” because I just do not do that but this is a First Amendment issue.

        Free Speech is so important it has to be guarantee even to people like this teacher and, I hate saying this, the god-less KKK and Neo-Nazis. I need to wash our my keyboard’s mouth for that but Free Speech must work for even the last two evils I mention or it really does not work for any of us.

        A good example for this is when Hitler and his thugs were working on stealing the election and taking control of the government he used Free Speech to the hilt because he knew how effective and powerful it is. After he stole the election and the government one of the first things he did was abolish Free Speech for all except for his people because “he knew how effective and powerful it is”.

        This teacher might be recognized for his bad taste, or not depending on which side of the aisle we are on, but he deserves his say. Without any form of punishment. He didn’t incite violence so why not? Want they did to punish this teacher bothers me.

        Then there is “If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter. ~President George Washington

      • sam1966

        Great posts Alondra, Kate, and Omanuel, fellow patriots. Just ignore Karolyn as she’ll just post what she thinks, not necessarily the truth. Though I have to agree with her that such things should not be said in the classroom. We usually wait till we are in the teacher’s lounge before saying such things. OMG! Mac actually said a quote from Washington that I can agree with, for I have the same quote. Here is a simple act of patriotism by LA Dodgers Rick Monday on April 25th, 1976:

        http://www.conservativevideos.com/2013/01/the-greatest-play-in-baseball-player-stops-flag-burning-in-1976/

        This is just one example of what the sheeple, Obama bin Laden and the 5th column, need to look at and take to heart. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.

        “I would probably have to say yes, that the Constitution established the United States of America as a Christian nation.”

        John McCain
        September 2007

      • Kinetic1

        macgyver1948,
        “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
        Read the preceding carefully. The right wing has made a cause celebre out of the first amendment, expanding it to imply that we all have the right to say whatever we want without consequence. Sarah Palin complained

        “If [the media] convince enough voters that that is negative campaigning, for me to call Barack Obama out on his associations, then I don’t know what the future of our country would be in terms of First Amendment rights and our ability to ask questions without fear of attacks by the mainstream media.”

        But the first amendment has nothing to do with the press. It has nothing to do with your employer or your neighbor. Yes, macgyver, Alondra has the right to say whatever bigoted, homophobic, racist narrow minded thing she wants, but the first amendment does not protect her from the opinion of others. Alondra has the right to use profanity if she chooses, but the first amendment won’t stop Mr. Livingston from editing her post or even cutting it.

        “This teacher might be recognized for his bad taste, or not depending on which side of the aisle we are on, but he deserves his say.” and he had his say. His employer responded by exercising their right to punish a representative of the school for expressing himself in a way they felt was inappropriate during working hours. Would you suggest that employers be denied the right to decide what behavior they consider appropriate for their paid employees during working hours?

        • macgyver1948

          Kinetic1 … Yes, the First Amendment does not protect Alondra from attack coming from us, it protects us from the government. A great document this US Constitution but only if we protect it and use it as intended. And I agree she has the right to be who she is but I do not agree with a lot of what she says, she just has the right to say those things just like I do not agree with this teacher in what he says. He just risked it where he was.

          No I would not suggest employers be denied the right to decide what behavior they consider appropriate for their paid employees during working hours”. A different world, people/private organizations and the government. In an employment setting the employer has to maintain discipline (wow I do not believe I am defending employers). The Constitution is there to protect us from Government. With that said Employers, the company, are their own government and they make the rules within certain legal guidelines. I was only expressing how I disagree with his First Amendment rights being violated but I can’t fight the employer on this either although I might want to even though the First Amendment does not apply if it is not the government, not really. The Employer does not guarantee First Amendment rights when we agreed to work for them. When we take the job offer we agree to their rules. I would just hope the company rules would be reasonable and we should watch how we affect impressionable minds, as in this case.

          This sucks because I have written against many employer unfairnesses in the past and I will continue to do so. This is where the teacher would need a representative to defend his position and there didn’t seem to be that for him. I do not like it when the only help a worker can get in his company is an Ombudsman program or an open door policy where both of those avenues of concern work for the employer and owe their pay check to his employer. I was just expressing my feelings about speaking our minds and his right to a defense, guilty or not. Maybe I was being confusing with that but I like to stand up for the little guy even if what he says is disrespectful, up to a point. It goes to his upbringing and perhaps his sense of respect and I think he should have watched where he was saying it. I couldn’t be a lawyer because, as in this case, I wouldn’t want to defend him in court for his bad taste.

          The media should stick to the facts and not so much give their opinion in a news article. They have to much influence to give opinions outside a commentary piece.

      • Kinetic1

        Alondra
        “I guess that the “meeting his requirements” means to accept the PERVERSION and DEPRAVITY (by mandate!!!)”
        No, Alondra, it means that he needs to keep his opinion out of the classroom. He can be a homophobe if he chooses. He can belong to a church that, like your own considers homosexuality an abomination. He can spout off about such things at home until he’s blue in the face, but his employer requires that he refrain from making such comments in the class room. Mr. Grisham has the right to say what he chooses, but his employer has the right to restrict what is said during work hours and punish those who violate their rules.

      • http://omanuel.wordpress.com/about omanuel

        Alondra,

        Deep-seated fear of the “nuclear fires” that consumed Hiroshima and Nagasaki on 6 Aug 1945 and 9 Aug 1945, . . .

        Persuaded world leaders and leaders of the scientific community to lead society down a path to insanity – total loss of contact with reality – by forming the United Nations on 24 Oct 1945 and denying this empirical fact:.

        Every atom, every living cell, every structure in the solar system is continuously connected to the “nuclear fires” that burn in the Sun’s pulsar core – the Creator, Destroyer and Sustainer of all lives and worlds in the entire solar system.
        .
        With kind regards,
        - Oliver K. Manuel
        Former NASA Principal
        Investigator for Apollo
        http://www.omatumr.com/
        http://nigguraths.wordpress.com/2013/02/06/skepticalsciences-john-cooks-vaccine-misinformation/#comment-8509

        • Deerinwater

          “The purpose of the United Nations is to bring all nations of the world together to work for peace and development, based on the principles of justice, human dignity and the well-being of all people. It affords the opportunity for countries to balance global interdependence and national interests when addressing international problems.”

          So has the UN strayed from it’s purpose or do you feel under represented, under appreciated and over burden with the commitment to the stated “purpose”?

      • Kinetic1

        Alondra,
        Just to set the record straight, I am not Karolyn. I have to admit that I am confused by those of you on this site who seem preoccupied with the idea that one person would use so many pseudonyms. What’s the point?

        Now, to your boasting “to your disappointment my words are reasoning with the majority.” I assume that you intended to say “resonating” and not “reasoning”. Either way, 3 people can hardly be called “the majority”, though I have little doubt that there are many, many racist, homophobic and bigoted people on this site that agree with you. But then for many of you that seems to be the point of this site; a gathering of people who support your view regardless of how small minded it may be.

        As for my success or failure, I do seem to have failed in opening your eyes and heart, but I do not consider that reason to give up on all of humanity.

      • David M.

        Wow! Brandon Smith just annihilated all the trolls on this article by himself! They really are scrambling! Thanks for all you do, man!

      • M Thomas

        Alondra, you forgot that this is an “Affirmative Action” [racist comment removed]

        And, the truth is that moochy does have a huge butt, so what is wrong with saying so…

        Much worse things are said by blacks like, “We must kill all White babies.” Nothing was done to that person! What is this comment teaching young blacks.

      • BR549

        This is one of THE most meaningful articles that has emerged from any website. Great job Brandon.

        The problem now is to deal with those in the middle who basically support the faux-ideals of the sheeple and who hide out here as if they didn’t. We have a small bunch of them, here.

        I ran across this problem on a website I was asked to manage over a decade ago, where these individuals would use the site as a “sanctuary” so that others would consider them somehow above reproach because they were “hanging around with the right people” and using all the right buzzwords. These are, pardon the pun, the wolves in sheeple’s clothing, but they are just as dangerous as the ignorant.

        • Deerinwater

          BR549 says. “These are, pardon the pun, the wolves in sheeple’s clothing, but they are just as dangerous as the ignorant”

          I say, oh ! I think you greatly underestimate them for these are the Hyjackers among you that you don’t have.

    • Brandon Smith

      @Chris

      Taking orders from a corrupt government will always lead to disaster and despair, no matter how hard you force that smile…

      Life is about doing what our conscience dictates as often as possible, even if it means being “stressed out”. It is not about searching for perpetual comfort at the expense of what is right. It sounds like you’ve been reading WAY too much new age nonsense…

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Brandon Smith,”

        SIR, I DISAGREE.

        IN A DEMOCRACY, IT IS THE DUTY OF CITIZENS TO ABIDE BY THEIR NATION’S LAWS. IN THAT DEMOCRACY, IF A GOVERNMENT IS CORRUPT IT IS ALSO THE DUTY OF CITIZENS TO REVOLT AND ELIMINATE THE CORRUPTION. IN UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, THE CITIZENRY – OVERALL – HAS NOT CONCLUDED THE GOVERNMENT IS CORRUPT. NOT LIKING “PESKY LITTLE LAWS” HERE AND THERE IS NOT, CORRUPTION. THEREFORE, TO LABEL PEOPLE AS, “sheeple,” BECAUSE THEY ARE CONTENT WITH A DEMOCRATIC NATION’S LAWS IS MERELY AN EXPRESSION OF A FEW WHO CAN NEVER BE SATISFIED.

        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Brandon Smith,”

        SIR, YOU UTILIZED THE WORD “IGNORANT” IN REFERENCE TO, “sheeple.”

        IF PEOPLE WANT A POPULAR VOTE, INSTEAD OF ELECTORAL COLLEGE, THEN AMEND The Constitution. THE KENYAN WAS ELECTED T-W-I-C-E. “MALCONTENTS” MUST TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR AN UNHAPPY RESULT.

        THERE IS A LOT OF TALK ABOUT CHANGES WHICH NEED TO BE MADE WITH THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. SINCE LIBERTARIANS “SAY” THEIR IDEOLOGY IS DIFFERENT, THOSE IN COMMAND SHOULD HAVE “HIT-THE-GROUND RUNNING” THE MOMENT Governor Gary Johnson FELL. TO “SIT BACK” WITH THE FULL KNOWLEDGE THAT RELIGIOUS FANATICS WILL “RUN-OVER” THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN 2016 WILL BE THE PARTY ELITE’S FAULT – AND, LIBERTARIANS WILL BE FOOLS FOR “JOINING THEIR RANKS” DUE TO THE UNINTELLIGIBLE VIEW THAT THEY HAVE NO OTHER OPTION. SCHOOL BOARDS, MAYORALSHIPS, ETC., SHOULD ALL “BE-AT-PLAY” – RIGHT NOW – FOR LIBERTARIANS.

        SO, WHO REALLY DESERVES THE “IGNORANT” LABEL?

        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      • Brandon Smith

        @Chris

        Your first unfortunate and ignorant assumption is that we live in a “democracy”. We do not. We live in a Constitutional Republic. A democracy is rule by pure majority. The tyranny of the mob. Meaning, if the masses can be fooled or frightened (like sheeple), the individual suffers. In a republic, certain liberties are INALIENABLE, meaning they are protected regardless of what the so-called majority happens to think. If the government of a Republic violates those liberties, it’s authority is no longer valid.

        By your twisted collectivist logic, any law could be considered valid or “righteous” as long as the government and a larger percentage of the population claim it to be so. Sadly, this silly philosophy has arisen before in fascist and communist nightmare cultures throughout history. By your logic, the Nazi decimation of the Jews was entirely within the realm of legality and morality. They did, in fact, have the semblance of “democracy” (rule of the mob) and a large portion of the public supported their actions.

        Also, nearly all revolutions are initiated by a minority of any given population, not a majority. Not that your position is of any relevance. People generally do not wait for permission from the majority before they revolt. They do not wait for the unaware masses to finally “get it”. They revolt because their conscience demands it. They revolt against corruption because it is the right thing to do, and this is usually (and historically) in the face of majority stupidity.

        It’s funny, but you have actually illustrated perfectly the mental state of the common sheeple. You believe that the group should dictate the actions of the individual, and, that if the group is content with the criminality of the government, then there is no crime. Sorry, but natural law always trumps human law. Conscience always trumps government authority. And the civil liberties of the individual always trump the fears and biases of the collective.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Brandon Smith,”

        SIR, YOU ARE A “POLITICO;” I AM NOT. BUT, YOUR GAME OF SEMANTICS “WILL NOT FLY.” WE LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY.

        Mr. Smith – I MUST TELL YOU – YOUR RADICALISM IS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE “OFFERINGS” FROM CORRUPT GOVERNMENTS. NOT LIKING AN ADMINISTRATION IS ONE THING; BUT, “WHIPPING PEOPLE INTO A FRENZY” IS THE TYPE OF CIRCUMSTANCE WHICH LEADS TO Sandy Hook- AND Aurora Tragedies.

        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        Brandon Smith – WHY DID YOU RUN AWAY?

        SIR, I WANT TO SEE A REPUBLICAN IN THE White House. THE “ATTACK DOG” APPROACH ONLY “TURNS-OFF” PEOPLE WHO ARE UNDECIDED.

        Personal Liberty Digest HAS A BRIEF STORYLINE INDICATING Karl Rove WANTS THE Tea-Party G-O-N-E. YET, Brent Bozell SAYS IT IS HERE TO STAY. SOMEBODY IS WRONG AND NEEDS TO BE “PUT-IN-CHECK.”

        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      • Brandon Smith

        @Chris

        Your simplistic attempt at Alinsky tactics is laughable.

        Firstly, I am not playing “semantics”. Look up the definition of Democracy and then look up the definition of Republic. They are two very different things. Then, go read the Federalist papers of the Founding Fathers. America as a nation was launched as a REPUBLIC, not a Democracy. Please, go educate yourself and avoid sheepldom.

        Secondly, it is disingenuous to use false association in the midst of a debate to throw the discussion off track. Since when did the shooters at Sandy Hook or Aurora espouse the arguments I’m making? Show me an example. It is, in fact, the cult-like obsession with collectivism that you promote that has led to FAR more deaths this past century than any other form of ideology. It is exactly your philosophy that has resulted in genocide across the globe in the name of “majority opinion” and worship of the state.

        You have also avoided my main point. If the government and a “majority” of the people say an immoral act is lawful and acceptable, then is it? Was slavery truly lawful and acceptable before emancipation? What about the Jim Crow Laws? What about the forced internment of Japanese Americans in concentration camps by FDR? What about institutionalized torture? What about assassination (which Obama is fond of)? What if government and a large portion of the public decide they don’t like the 1st Amendment? Is it morally right for them to oppress free speech?

        By the way, I am against ANY administration which chooses to violate the Constitution. I went after Bush just as much as I now go after Obama.

      • deerinwater

        Impressive banter Chris. ~~ I knew I liked you for some reason. ~

      • Stuart Shepherd

        Sir (Mr. Smith)- I have great respect for you. You seem young and have incredible depth. You are right. True “happiness” (which is elusive, anyway) is PEACE OF MIND- knowing you are “right” with God, man, and yourself (in that order). (Mr. Horton has the same Narcissistic Borderline Adult Asperger’s Syndome Personality Disorder as the Statist sociopaths with all his CAPS and constant childish insistence on interjecting himself and being “right.” Then, if you disagree with him, he’ll actually call you gay (which he did to me even though I have 6 kids and grandkids!). He ought to be prevented from using the discussion board. And- although I agree with most of his sentiments about Obama, the constant use of the word “Negro” is MOST DEFINITELY a racial slur in the way he is using it and is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE amongst decent men and women of any race.) “Go along to get along” at whatever your personal level of sociopathic comfort is (whether it’s living off others, being “affirmatively acted” upon to receive something you shouldn’t, playing whatever game you’re going to play with whatever boys or girls you’re going to play it with as long as you get yours. The key is honesty. I live far “happier” with far less material possessions because I know that whatever I have- I earned! Really, manual labor is the best (even Paul told the Corinthians-”Work with your hands” and Christ was a carpenter!). I was “happiest” when I was a construction worker.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Stuart Shepherd,”

        I DID NOT CALL YOU, gay. I “CALLED YOU OUT” FOR MAKING THE SILLY REMARK ABOUT AN ABILITY TO SEE THE FILM, “Django Unchained,” ON ADULT-PAY-PER-VIEW. SINCE YOU HAD “NAME-CALLED” ME IN THE PAST, I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT YOUR STUPIDITY.

      • Ernest

        Brandon Smith, why do you argue with stupid or payed people ( you can’t change or cure them ) and they will always be there.

      • Butch

        Chris, yr argument does not hold water. Brandon, very well thought out and spoken. I don’t dislike Chris, its just his logic leaves a lot to be desired. I, too am equally disgusted by Bush jr and Obumma. This BS charade of “Left vs Right” has people fighting amongst ourselves instead of focusing on the actual problem, the politicians that got us into this mess. And that’s BOTH hopelessly corrupt parties equally. If I have to hear one more libtard blame Bush jr while excusing a Kenyan doing the SAME [expletive deleted] that he did, I’ll lose my mind. Its amazing what people will excuse because they BELIEVE that “He’s on my side”. These jackals are on their OWN side, the side of the Rothschilds/Banksters/NWO/Federal Reserve. The reason they want to disarm is us for CONTROL, NOT “for the children”. If it was all for the children, why would they keep indiscriminately bombing innocents, including dozens of children abroad? This nation is beyond bankrupt. Ft. Knox has been plundered. The reason for disarmament is once the sheeple (the vast majority of Americans) FINALLY find out that we live in a police state that they stood and WATCHED form, they will take to the streets and want blood. The Ponzi scheme that is the dollar is set to crash, people will have no food, and govt will NOT help them. The truth indeed hurts. Stock up on food, weapons and medicine.

      • Thomas the Doubter

        Unless i missed something, your contention is that “progress”( which in reality is only achieved by the pursuit of “real truth”) is lost by the will ( or lack there of) of those who you have defined as Sheeple. Sheeple are to blame because more intelligent evil ‘higher ups’ have corrupted and are taking advantage of the system leading to a loss of liberty and misdirection away from the truth.
        Based on what you say the sheeple are then used as “cannon fodder” for a change for the worse, which you align with even a greater loss of freedom and an even worse more misguided movement away from the pursuit of truth.

        But here’s the problem with your logic. If you as an ‘aware’ person sees what’s going on, see that the government and big business has been corrupted and are deviating from the “true path”, you find yourself angry. Not angry at the perpetrators, but at the masses of very people you deem necessary to correct this problem. You need these individuals, you call sheeple to effect the very change
        that is required in your mind, to get back what has been lost. You blame them, because they refuse to start the rebellion you deem necessary to get ‘back on track’. The revolution can’t start until enough of the mass has been “educated to their plight”. You best be careful the powers that be don’t deem you a rabble rouser and brand you an enemy of the state.

        But the real problem i see is that by pointing out that the masses are sheeple and suggesting that the only solution is revolt, you are in fact a manipulator of the first degree. You become eventually the same type of person you deem to have caused the original problem. You even go so far as to mock those who refuse to see “the error ” of their ways and refuse to “step aboard” the freedom train.( here’s a clue, you don’t start a revolution by calling the masses “stupid” or “blind” and suggesting that they are on the “wrong side”)

        Reading your article brought to mind the other mass forms of deviation away from the “true path” that history has shown have been corrupted beyond reason.

        Religion and the belief in a supreme being, fits nicely into your concept of a bunch of sheeple, sitting by letting the world go, by wasting their time, hoping that , how did you put it…. “their goal, therefore is to constantly ride the wave of majority opinion so that they will always be in a position of righteousness” and my favourite “of course, “this way of thinking has in the past led to some of the worst atrocities in history”

        Or people who still believe in UNIONS, could very easily be considered sheeple, in a really really big way. Again your words but in a different light.

        Think Union worker… ” they are remorseless as long as they never have to face tangible consequences for their blind support of the system.” or ” they seek to strengthen the bars of the prison because the outside world of free ‘enterprise’ and expression intimidates and paralyzes them”

        I might point out that in spite of the American Revolution, the British Monarchy still exists to this very day and its still a power to be reckoned with, and that even though Karl Marx has been studied for almost 200 years, there’s a lot of miserable people living in Russia who would gladly trade their government in a heartbeat, for this one.

        ‘Right’ is not always a plain or simple as you think it is!

      • Karolyn

        OMG! Stuart! You want to ban people from posting here? That is just not done unless they break the rules severly. And I am sure you do not know that Chris is Black.

      • JeffH

        Brandon Smith…Kudos to you for a well thought out and well written article and kudos for correcting Horton on his “sheeple-ish” insistance that we are a democracy. Be warned that if you disagree with him, he will revert to an evil voice within him and and hear/see things that “just ain’t there”. I learned first hand, having always given him the benefit of the doubt, just what his intestinal make-up is. He’s a hardcore liberal at heart who can’t take “no” for an answer and will dig deep in Alinsky’s bag of tricks to demonize and accuse you with expletives unrelated to anything you may have said or inferred. He’s a loon!

      • Kate8

        JeffH – You are right about Christopher. He thinks he’s quite clever, starting out as a black home-boy, all with the “sirs” and “ma’am’s” and feigning respectfulness, and claiming to be a Republican.

        With a bit of discourse, we soon learn that he is just another paid troll using another tack from most, that of sucking you in. Then his true colors unleash.

        He doesn’t hold up well, though, to a bit of reason, logic and, of course, knowledge. All of the shills are so completely transparent.

        I’ve also noticed that their intensity is ramping up lately, and that they’re swarming with a vengeance. It’s a good thing that they are so easily exposed. They quickly run out of arguments when no one bites, and then all they have left is their usual attacks.

      • JeffH

        Kate8, again spot on and great obsevation. Yeah, I didn’t even know he was a “GAY NEGRO” until he tried to force that issue in a response to my “better to be pissed off than pissed on”.
        You gotta be able to read between the lines with some people…they’re not always what or who they appear to be.

        Camouflage is key…the Cult of Alinsky: “True revolutionaries do not flaunt their radicalism, Alinsky taught. They cut their hair, put on suits and infiltrate the system from within. Alinsky viewed revolution as a slow, patient process”

        “An (radical)organizer working in and for an open society is in an ideological dilemma to begin with, he does not have a fixed truth — truth to him is relative and changing; everything to him is relative and changing…. To the extent that he is free from the shackles of dogma, he can respond to the realities of the widely different situations….”

      • speedle

        Thomas The Doubter writes: “… You blame them (Sheeple), because they refuse to start the rebellion you deem necessary to get ‘back on track’. The revolution can’t start until enough of the mass has been “educated to their plight…”.

        Thomas, I think you make a very critical misjudgement here. There is a huge difference in “starting a revolution” vs. voting for your master (shepherd). In the last election, with plenty of information available to make the re-election of the Chicago Gangsters extremely problematical, the Sheeple chose to ignore same and vote for Obama in the majority. I believe this is the primary point of the author.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “JeffH,”

        FOR THE PAST THIRTY-FIVE DAYS I HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT OUR LAST DISCUSSIONS – [Friday/Saturday, 28&29 December 2012 AND Tuesday, 1 January 2013].

        “JeffH,” I DEEPLY REGRET YOU AND I HAD THAT “BLOW-UP.” AS I STATED BEFORE, I EMOTIONALLY RESPONDED TO THE TIMING OF YOUR COMMENTS [they were too close to "DaveH's" comments for me to ignore].

        “JeffH,” IS THERE ANY WAY YOU AND I CAN “SMOOTH THINGS OVER?” I WOULD LIKE THAT VERY MUCH.

        WITH GREAT SINCERITY,
        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kate8,”

        WELL, MA’AM!

        “Kate8,” I LIKE YOU – NOT, BECAUSE I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU TYPE (I DO NOT). BUT, BECAUSE – AFTER READING YOUR COMMENTARY, SINCE JUNE 2012 – AN IMAGE OF A DECENT PERSON APPEARED IN MY MIND.

        SO “Kate,” MA’AM, IF DISCOURSE PROVES ME A FRAUD WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT YOU? “Kate8,” I AM NOT GOING TO PERUSE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE TYPED IN SEARCH OF INCONSISTENCIES – I LIKE YOU THE WAY YOU ARE … PERIOD!

        WITH GREAT SINCERITY,
        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        BY THE WAY,”Kate8″ – THIS GAME OF “MUSICAL CHAIRS” THAT Brandon Smith, “Bob W.” AND [APPARENTLY], YOU ARE PLAYING WITH THE WORDS, “Republic” AND “Democracy,” HAS “LONG GONE STALE!”

        IN A DEBATE, IF YOUR ONLY WEAPON IS TO RIDICULE ANOTHER’S INTELLECT AND COMPREHENSIVE SKILLS, THEN, YOU NEED TO BE IN A “BAR-ROOM BRAWL” – NOT, CULTURAL DISCUSSION.

      • JeffH

        CAH, I doubt very seriously you or I will ever sit down and enjoy a beer together, although I’m not opposed to the idea. As far as “smoothing things over”, you were the aggressor and said some pretty awful things and made some fairly strong assumption. None were even close to being accurate. I do not have a bad memory and I will not forget. You lost any sense of credibility you may have had with me. Of course, who am I really? Just another participant of this website, nothing more, nothing less. The damage has been done…it is what it is. There may be times where we cross paths and that’s fine but there aren’t anymore free passes. You tend to your cows and I’ll tend to mine and I’m sure everything will be just fine between us.

      • Kate8

        Christopher – First of all, it is not I who have gotten into the debate about democracy/republic. However, I do understand the great difference between these ideologies, and it is far more than semantic. Democracies are always the final gasp of self-governance in the descent into communism, fascism or any other form of tyranny.

        I am sorry to tell you that I find your commentary to be largely convoluted and geared more toward the delusions of the Progressive/liberal mind than anything, and I have little time to spend in banter with those who desire anything less than absolute freedom from any kind of government oppression. Anyone who supports any kind of government intrusion, any kind of government “authority” over the lives of good people… is not my friend. There is just no room for compromise on this.

        It’s not personal. I have nothing else against you. I just don’t see any value in continuing further discussion, as we have very little in common.

        In short, we don’t speak the same language. We may as well be from different planets.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “JeffH” – FAIR ENOUGH. [I hate it, though].

      • moonbeam

        Christopher Allen Horton writes:

        “IN A DEMOCRACY, IT IS THE DUTY OF CITIZENS TO ABIDE BY THEIR NATION’S LAWS.”

        Chris, democracy and rule of law are two entirely different things. Too many people sing the praises of democracy without knowing what it really means. Indoctrination tends to do that to a person.

        We are a Constitutional Republic – Rule of Law. Democracy is mob rule. I would say that possibly 98% of politicians do not understand the difference either and is why they should be removed from office immediately. Holding public office is far too important to let just any Tom, Dick or Harry hold that office. Apparently, we’ve got a bunch of ‘em in office.

        I invite you to research what democracy is so that you will be informed about what it is and how it ends.

        • macgyver1948

          moonbeam… I would tend to agree with you on what you say about Democracy but referring it to mob rule is a bit subjective. Presumably it is a rule by the majority of the mob(s) but it just sounds scary put that way. We shouldn’t want to scare to many citizens.

          And I do very much agree that the many in government, whether elected or appointed, should be removed from office but not because they do not understand what the term Democracy means. They can be educated when installed I think. But they should be removed, I believe, because they are not representing the majority of their constituents but instead they are doing it for big money interests and big corporations. The many elected in Congress who have signed a very binding-to-the-owners pledge, at the UN-wealthy’s expense, should very much be fired too but those two lists might just be heavily sharing the same names.

          In any case the people working in government need to be often reminded that they work for us, The Big MOB. Do not do what is in our, the bosses, best interest(s) and you get fired, as in any corporation. It should be that simple, at the poles, but for some reason we get fidgety when we go to vote.

      • larry ryan

        I don’t like the Obama’s nor pretty much anything about them, but the size or not of her butt or indeed anything about their personal appearances seems about the least relevant thing about them.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      QUIT SHOUTING, PLEASE. You may join the sheeple. When they come for your neighbor I guess that will add to your happiness?

      • larry ryan

        I’m too old to participate and in any case will likely be dead when the final straw happens (probably something innocuous taken by itself, the final straw usually is) but anyone without blinders on can see a long overdue revolution is coming. It could have been relatively peaceful had it happened earlier but that possibility is gone. It’s going to be violent and bloody. I know which side my childen and grandchildren will be on. How about you and yours? We are admirers of Franklin and Jefferson and those like them. The outcome of the revolution is by no means certain. It may even have to happen more than once, Too bad most of us won’t be around to see what happens next. If freedom wins, I wonder if they’ll have sense enough to re-establish something like the constitution or if they’ll (likely) want to meddle and re-create a bureacratic nightmare worse than the one just replaced.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Christoper, If you want to live in a Democracy, I suggest you find one. Unfortunately, you have proven your ignorance. If, you are a citizen of the U.S.A., then certainly you know you live in a Constitutional Republic, and not a Democracy. Correct? You have just proven Brandon’s point. I rest my case. Next!!! PLEASE QUIT SHOUTING.

      • anthony

        You, sir, have hit te nail on the head. Bravo!

      • The GLB

        @ Capitalist at Birth: I wish the the United States were still a Constitutional Republic, but alas it is no more.

        The United States descended into Christopher Allen Horton’s utopian democracy some time ago; and now, unfortunately, due to the Sheeple and the ‘power-elite’ who are willing to capitalize on the willfully ignorant, the United States has become a tyrannical Oligarchy.

        I think our collective goose is cooked, and even if there were a nationwide awakening to the tyranny we are under, it is too late, because even if the bird is NOT cooked yet it has at the very least been decapitated, plucked, and gutted.

        Turn to Christ for he is the only salvation, not man, not political parties, not any of the worldly things on which one might pin one’s hopes.

      • JeffH

        The GLB, I disagree that we have become a democracy although we are rapidly descending into one. It is up to us, we the people, to resist a democracy with every breath we have up to and including refreshing the tree of liberty if need be.

        As Mr. Smith said “we all have a choice: to be taught by others or to learn for ourselves. At the end of the day, sheeple are sheeple not because they have to be, but because they want to be.”

      • The GLB

        @ JeffH 11:20 AM
        Jeff, my point is that the U.S. is already beyond being a democracy and IS a tyrannical Oligarchy, when unelected ‘officials’ can make rules and regulations by which Americans have to abide, then the U.S. is so far past being a Republic that the tyrannical Oligarchs are thumbing their collective noses at Democracy, which is fading away to a dot in the rearview mirror; or when the POTUS can write Executive Orders that bypass Congress and those orders are NOT challenged by the Congress that was just SHAT on.

        At this point a Democracy would be a trade up from where we are now.

    • flyovercindy

      CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON – I feel sorry for you, but that said, you have the dangerous “sheeple” mentality Mr. Smith is describing. However, unlike those who might make the choice to climb out of the “majority is right” black hole by seeking the truth, you don’t seem even dimly aware of your situation.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “flyovercindy,”

        I DO NOT SUPPORT PROPAGANDA. WHEN LIBERTARIANS AND REPUBLICANS ARE INVOLVED IN REAL EVENTS, I MAY LISTEN.

        NO OFFENSE TO Mr. Smith, BUT, THIS ARTICLE TEARS-DOWN THE SELF-ESTEEM OF PEOPLE WHO ARE “LABELED,” SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ANGRY AT GOVERNMENT. CALLING AN ADULT A “sheeple,” IS SAYING THAT PERSON LACKS AN ABILITY TO MAKE CORRECT DECISIONS WHICH CUSTOMLY-FIT HER/HIS LIFE.

        I JUST READ A COMMENT IN ANOTHER THREAD IN WHICH SOMEONE TYPED, [sic], “Anyone who did not recognize faulty characteristics in the gun held by the Kenyan, is not a gun owner.” I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY SOME PEOPLE ON THIS SITE HAVE DECIDED THAT A DETAILED EXPOSURE OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT GUNS IS PROOF OF OWNERSHIP.

        PEOPLE IT IS OBVIOUS; CAUCASIAN GUN-FANATICS’ OBSESSION HAS A DIRECT CORRELATION WITH THE KENYAN’S SKIN COLOR.

      • Kate8

        CHRISTOPHER – The problem is that you define “real events” using your own biased views of the world. Whatever you determine to be “real” is based solely on your own belief, and your mind is utterly closed off to new revelation or reassessment of your bias.

        The very definition of “sheeple” are those who are willfully blind because they cannot bear to see, for whatever reasons. It’s all everywhere, in plain sight, if you are willing to look at it.

        This is the prison of the mind, where you are utterly controlled and even content to be so. As long as current mindset allows the pushing of boundaries of traditional values, you are content with what feels like “freedom” for a moment… but sooner or later, you realize that your inclinations have been exploited in order to draw that noose tighter around your neck and that of everyone else, as well.

        Freedom can only be for everyone, not just the few (who are merely temporary useful idiots). You really do need to grow up and get over your juvenile insecurities, because BigBro cares not one whit more for you than for anyone else. You, too, will be betrayed in due time.

        Not that anyone of us has the whole picture. We are fed purely disinfo by the shovelfull, so we must rely on our inner discernment to guide us through the maze. But if we are so gullible as to believe the picture painted by the media-matrix… well then, we truly are marching as sheep to slaughter, and will never get it until we are lined up at the chute.

        Perhaps we are already there.

        BTW, I realize that I waste my time here, but you are a perfect example of the vast majority of humanity, and why we are in so much trouble.

      • Chuck S

        Chris, you apparently think Obama is a kenyan – you’re a a birther?

        I think the point on Obama shooting is that he claimed to support people’s gun rights, and he claimed to be a shooter himself. The shooting picture was an attempt to support those statements and a lot of us doubt both.

        I think most of us who oppose Obama also opposed Bill and Hillary, John Edwards, Al Gore, John, Kerry, etc. Some opponents of Obama may be racist but a lot of black and hispanic leftists are anti-white. That doesn’t mean that everything liberals say about conservatives is anti-white.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kate8,”

        MA’AM, YOU MISUNDERSTOOD MY COMMENT.

        I AM TALKING ABOUT AN ACTUAL NEWS EVENT WHICH LIBERTARIANS OR REPUBLICANS ARE INVOLVED IN [like, the Karl Rove statement about the Tea-Party].

        BUT, MANY PEOPLE ON THIS SITE HAVE BECOME “ENGULFED” IN GRANDIOSE PROPAGANDA WHICH HAS NO BASIS IN REALITY, OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT A REAL ENTITY IS MINUTELY INVOLVED – i. e., THE United Nation’s SO-CALLED, “GUN-GRAB.”

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Chuck S,”

        YES – I AM A “BIRTHER.”

        YOU MISUNDERSTOOD MY COMMENTS. I AGREE WITH YOU IN REFERENCE TO THE KENYAN’S “Skeet-Shooting Photograph.”

        I WAS REPLYING TO THE “WORDING” WITHIN THE COMMENTER’S COMMENTARY.

      • Chuck S

        Chris – It seems like you’re a liberal and I don’t expect a liberal to be a birther. I just thought you goofed.

        Incidentally, I like the term kenyan Keynesian.

      • larry ryan

        I must disagree with one part of the article at least to an extent. I know some who are willfully ignorant or “sheeple”. I don’t think it’s possible to wake them up. Some I know are vocally proud of their ignorance. “I didn’t graduate high school and have never read a book in my life!” They say this proudly and wear it like a badge of honor.
        Off subject, but anyone have any idea why Horton does all caps all the time? A little annyoing. Maybe he has an inferiority complex?

    • anthony

      “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” – Benjamin Franklin

      “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” – Benjamin Franklin

      Wise man, that Benjamin Franklin.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        It certainly applies to Christopher and his fan club. So sad.

      • kimo3690

        AMEN Anthony, and rather then give Mr Horton the “stage” why not return to the BLOG’s content that I found extremely interesting as much of it’s contents is being brought to LIFE here right NOW!!! lol

      • sam1966

        This describes the 5th column very well as they always try hard to remain stupid. Here is something showing their was voter fraud in the election:

        http://www.ajc.com/news/news/state-regional-govt-politics/stae-investigators-fulton-election-documents were/nWCQw/

        Just another case of believing Obam bin Laden won the election by the sheeple. When will they wake up? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!

        You need both love of country and faith in God to be a patriot.

        “A patriot must be a religious man.”

        Thomas Jefferson

    • Charlie

      Honk on Horton,,,. Glad to hear from you,,,BUT,,,your comment has gross errors ,,,self-happiness is without self discipline… One MUST learn to be happy because his/her Creator is happy with your conduct… The Almighty God is The Creator of all that is, and His Son was sent to discipline His Creation under His Laws… Disobedience to King Jesus Christ and His Father’s Law book will bring non-happiness because there are no happy Out Laws… Meanwhile……………..
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      Charlie Freedom

      • Kate8

        Charlie – Christopher is a solid athiest.

      • Charlie

        Kate,,,et al,,,.
        Have you accomplished Acts 2:38 with understanding ???,,,IF,,,you have not, then what Authority of Scripture do you have to criticize Honk On Horton , who is no worse that many other “Sinners”,,, Horton is NOT a sheeple,,,but he may be in that group that King Jesus pointed out at Revelation 22:15… All that ask for Mercy will receive some, at least from Me,,,but,,,those that “Bird Off” King Jesus Christ are in super trouble…
        Meanwhile , pick on Honk On Horton because he ask for it and he’s a little entertaining…

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “WHAT’S UP, Charlie!”

        WELL, SINCE ATHEISTS HAVE NO “Creator,” WE MUST GENERATE OUR OWN HAPPINESS.

      • Kate8

        You don’t appear to be so happy to me, Christopher.

        We all are responsible for our own happiness. Living in Oneness with Creator simply allows us to be happy and at peace within ourselves, regardless of our situations in life.

        Happiness dependent on circumstances is transient and fleeting.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kate8,”

        MA’AM, YOU ARE CORRECT – I HAVE A LOT OF DESPAIR IN MY LIFE. I WAS MERELY REPLYING TO “Charlie’s” BELIEF THAT “Jesus Christ” IS THE SOURCE OF ALL HAPPINESS.

      • Charlie

        Mr. Horton,,,
        How did you get to planet earth IF God did not have you created ??? But anyway be careful honking at some of these smart young white kids, they know how to honk back with white supremacist intelligence… Can you read this ok in lower case letters ? Hey, keep on Honking ,if it makes you happy and gives you some stress relief. Remember I’m a older white supremacist that can take the noise from a Black supremacist that thinks he’s more supreme than God… Also I’m a Georgia soda cracker that grew up around chocolate drops, so I know some stuff about the race issues, hey, Horton have a good day.. Meanwhile , Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • macgyver1948

          Charlie… WOW, another one. Can you explain how someone can claim to be “a older white supremacist” and of God at the same time? There is a major conbtradiction there.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “macgyver1948,”

        White Supremacists BELIEVE THEY WERE ORDAINED BY, “Jesus Christ;” SO, THEY DO THEIR WORK IN “his” NAME.

        • macgyver1948

          CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON … You said to me “White Supremacists BELIEVE THEY WERE ORDAINED BY, “Jesus Christ;” SO, THEY DO THEIR WORK IN “his” NAME”.

          Thank you for this answer but I have a question. What Jesus Christ would do that? I do not think any rabbi would.

      • Wellarmed

        In response to Christopher Allen Horton. As an Atheist can I say that we our endowed with certain inalienable rights merely by birth unto this world?

        Is that a contradiction?

        • macgyver1948

          Wellarmed… If I may add my 2 cents. Who knows how you are endowed at birth in that way but to my way of thinking you are that endowed at birth by being born under the protection of the US Constitution if you are a US citizen. I do not see a contradiction and I very much believe in God…

        • Deerinwater

          I would think,~the answer depends on “who” you ask,

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “macgyver1948,”

        NO OFFENSE – I THOUGHT YOU ARE A White Man.

        White men WITH PRIDE BELIEVE “Jesus Christ” SOLELY GAVE THEM REIGN OVER LESSER RACES OF MANKIND.

        OF COURSE, “POLITICALLY-CORRECT PARENTING” HAS RESULTED IN YOUNGER CAUCASIAN MALES MISSING – TO THEIR DETRIMENT – THIS IMPORTANT LESSON.

        “macgyver1948,” I AM A STUDENT OF White Supremacy; AS A NEGRO, I WILL NEVER HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN EVERYTHING.

        • macgyver1948

          CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON … Where did you get the impression I wan not a white man? You seem to have jumped to a wrong conclution somehow. What did I say to give you that impression?

          You say “White men WITH PRIDE BELIEVE “Jesus Christ” SOLELY GAVE THEM REIGN OVER LESSER RACES OF MANKIND”… WOW, this is so much C*R*A*P. Are you insane with this or just dilusional? Where does this come from?

          Let’s take this from 2 perspectives. First, the bible, Genesis in particular. If Afam and Eve were the first we all came from them what color or race were they?

          Second, one major scientific approach suggersts humanaty started in a valley in Africo and as the population grew and man’s curiosity also expanded (what is over that harizon?) and fear of the lion and need for more water and food, man migrated to other parts of the world. He was of a single race to begin with.

          Both these scenerios suggest we all started out as the same race. As we migrated the new envirnments cause us to adapt to the effects of the water, the elements in the food and how the sun hit us. So who are the “LESSER RACES OF MANKIND”?

          We are all one stupid race still addapting and growing but some are still so stupid they would say idiot things like “White men WITH PRIDE BELIEVE “Jesus Christ” SOLELY GAVE THEM REIGN OVER LESSER RACES OF MANKIND”… Where in your bible does it say he siad that C*R*A*P?

          By the way, what color or race do you think Jesus was? Before you answer that think about the people he came from, his mother spicifically (what was she?) if you believe in immaculate conception. Hint- think Jewish for Jesus’ religion and also think of the area they were in. Oh what the hell, he was Arabicish and Jewish. I wasnt sure if you could figure it out considering some of what you said above if you really believe waht you said.

          You ended with “macgyver1948,” I AM A STUDENT OF White Supremacy; AS A NEGRO, I WILL NEVER HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN EVERYTHING”. Except for the “EVERYTHING” part, if you really believe that too, believing you are limited in how you can learn because of what white supremacists say, I feel so sorry for you. WOW…

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Wellarmed,”

        I WOULD NOT HAVE USED A “Christ-infused-” Constitutional word LIKE, “inalienable.”

      • deerinwater

        Chris says, “White men WITH PRIDE BELIEVE “Jesus Christ” SOLELY GAVE THEM REIGN OVER LESSER RACES OF MANKIND.”

        I says, Excelemt qualifiers Chris ~ as “pride” is a gateway to the “devil” himself.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “macgyver1948,”

        THE CARPENTER, “Jesus of Nazareth,” WHO IS ALLEGED TO HAVE LIVED ON EARTH FOR THIRTY-THREE YEARS, WOULD BE MIDDLE-EASTERN IN APPEARANCE – THAT IS, IF HE EXISTED.

        NOW, AS AN ATHEIST, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH SCIENCE SAYING THE FIRST HUMAN CAME FROM AFRICA. THEREFORE, “Adam&Eve,” ARE FAIRY-TALE CHARACTERS.

        AS AN ATHEIST, I DO NOT CARE; BUT, SCIENTISTS HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO EXPLAIN – TO MY SATISFACTION – HOW BLOND(E) CAUCASOIDS ARRIVED IN SCANDINAVIA.

        • macgyver1948

          CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON… How is it possible for a person born of a certain people to be in a certain regain, biologically, to be looking as though he/she comes from another regain? You aren’t thinking CAH, not at all and maybe that is why you are not sounding so intelligent at times to say “THE CARPENTER, “Jesus of Nazareth,” WHO IS ALLEGED TO HAVE LIVED ON EARTH FOR THIRTY-THREE YEARS, WOULD BE MIDDLE-EASTERN IN APPEARANCE – THAT IS, IF HE EXISTED”. I don’t doubt he existed but it really doesn’t matter to me since he was just a man, if he did, to those who aren’t Christian. If anything makes sense of him he was Arabic-ish. Your thinking is amazing to even consider Jesus “WOULD BE MIDDLE-EASTERN IN APPEARANCE”.

          I wish I could find it in my notes now but I remember reading of a Roman politician saying, when he met Jesus, he was so short considering the stories he heard of him. I think the politician said he appeared to be around 5 feet, in our terms today, or so tall and looking just like those of the regain.

          Also:
          Your last paragraph says “AS AN ATHEIST, I DO NOT CARE; BUT, SCIENTISTS HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO EXPLAIN – TO MY SATISFACTION – HOW BLOND(E) CAUCASOIDS ARRIVED IN SCANDINAVIA”. Well, one explanation could be, since we really do not know, is that a group of Africans, while migrating, ending up in Scandinavia and over time, several generations, adapted to the regain. It takes time and many generations but that is one of the most plausible explanations for a species who comes from one place and changes over time when in another regain long enough, whatever long enough is for that much of a change to take effect. And it happens slowly enough that each generation is unaware of the changes. If you read enough you might see what the possibilities are instead of only making your out-of-touch guesses.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “macgyver1948,”

        SIR, I AM SORRY.

        I THOUGHT YOU WERE COLORED AFTER YOU DOUBTED YOUR god’s ABILITY TO ENDOW PRESTIGE UPON White men.

        • macgyver1948

          CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON… LOL… What? You say ““macgyver1948,”
          SIR, I AM SORRY.
          I THOUGHT YOU WERE COLORED AFTER YOU DOUBTED YOUR god’s ABILITY TO ENDOW PRESTIGE UPON White men”.

          What? LOL… When did I doubt God’s ability to do anything? I do not see Jesus as anything more than a mortal man so he has none of those abilities but God can do anything He wants. LOL…

          I do not understand how you, as a black man, can be so doubtful of your color. I guess we have met different kinds of black people in our life time. Maybe the ones you know have not had the opportunities as have the ones I have met. Many of the ones I have met have gone on to be very productive and many have graduated at least a 4 year university. Where do you come from to not know of blacks like this? I come from New York City and New Jersey in the USA and I have lived in a few different states over time after growing up, including the south and the mid western US. Could your regain be so different?

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “macgyver1948,”

        YOU MISUNDERSTOOD EVERYTHING I TYPED.

        OBVIOUSLY, YOU HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING OF THE HISTORY OF LATE ANTIQUITY AND THE EVOLUTION OF THE MIDDLE AGES.

        DURING THE “Time of Christ,” PEOPLE WHO LIVED IN SOUTHERN EUROPE/SOUTHWEST ASIA HAD THE APPEARANCE OF CONTEMPORARY MIDDLE-EASTERNERS. ["Jesus of Nazareth" fit this description]. WHEN THE VIKINGS [CAUCASIANS] TRAVELED SOUTH [CIRCA, EARLY-NINTH CENTURY], THEY INTERMINGLED WITH DARKER GERMANIC TRIBES.

        “macgyver1948,” I REALLY DID NOT UNDERSTAND YOUR POST; IT SEEMS YOU WERE APPLYING MODERN STANDARDS OF RACE TO A TIME IN WHICH VARIOUS TRIBAL GROUPS WERE SEPARATE.

        • macgyver1948

          CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON… Ah keep thinking your way, it suites you. :-).

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “macgyver1948,”

        MY MATERNAL GREAT-GRANDMOTHER WAS CAUCASIAN. MY MOTHER CHERISHED HER CAUCASIAN RELATIVES AND FRIENDS. ALTHOUGH WE HAD THAT THREE-VOLUME SET ON black history PUBLISHED BY, Ebony Magazine, Afrocentrism WAS NOT A PART OF OUR HOME.

      • Charlie

        Mr. Horton, aka Honk On Horton,,,
        As you may have noticed many write comments that are NOT backed up with Scripture,
        No Scripture means they don’t know Scripture,,,so,,,all they write is suspect,,,it may be facts or it may be Truth OR it may be lies… No one has proven The Bible to be in basic error yet… King Jesus said at Matthew 15:24 that He came only for the lost sheep of the house of Israel,,,the Lineage of a Man named Jacob Israel are God’s Chosen people, see
        that at 1 Chronicles 16:13… God’s blessings thru His Son King Jesus Christ is what makes a “Supremacist” supreme,,,so,,.My only brag is in The Blessings of King Jesus Christ. But to secure those “Blessings” I MUST do what King Jesus and His Men in The Bible said to do , to become a True Christian , Peter said to do Acts 2:38, and Peter’s Words have “Rank” over some others because some extra Authority was given to Peter by King Jesus Christ at Matthew 16:19……….. So, now that we know you have some white lineage , when some “honkies” get to honking too loud at you , you can honk back at them… Meanwhile…………..
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Charlie,”

        IT IS NOT MY GOAL TO MISLEAD ANYONE. “macgyver1948″ CALLED ME A mulatto BECAUSE HE MISINTERPRETED WHAT IT MEANS TO HAVE A MATERNAL GREAT-GRANDMOTHER WHO IS CAUCASIAN.

        I DO NOT HAVE TO, BUT, I WILL EXPLAIN:

        Maternal great-grandmother [Caucasian] marries Cherokee Indian
        Maternal grandmother [Half Caucasian/Half Cherokee] marries dark-skinned Negro
        Negro mother [with light complexion] marries dark-skinned Negro.

        SO, “Charlie,” I AM NOT, mulatto – I AM “BLACK AS TAR.”

        • Deerinwater

          Chris, ~ A person has the right to define themselves and not allow other’s to do it for them but anyone to go about sensationalizing , poking and proding ~ serves no one.

          We all are the sum of all our parts and everything that we have ever said and done. We are all left to accept or reject this as being true. While I prefer to believe that we are all “greater than” the sum of all our parts. We could debate the two notions till hell freezes over ~ and I really don’t want to debate such things with you. ~ BUT

          Why this desire to be so profound? ~ To rattle people ? to shake them up , to wake them up to see outside their box that are attempting to place you in?

          Genetic traits is a long game, it skips generations. ~ while there is a mathematical prediction of some certainly of what to expect.

          All to much is made of race ~ and I wished that we could tone it down some as appose to “feature it” as you seem to enjoy doing.

          I can not stop you from doing this ~ but I ask you Chis, to what end do you serve?

          Chris ~ all whites don’t carry this baggage that you highlight and feature. ~ We are attempting to kill it, stop it, while you seem to be taking pleasure in feeding it.

          Can you and I get together and find some common ground here on this matter? Something that we can work together on and maybe make progress?

          The American Negro’s future is directly linked to America itself. Just exactly like myself, you are along for the ride ~ wherever it might lead. I want to be a part of that and not a helpless passenger on a run-away train.

          Digging up bones, things that would be better left alone fails to serve us well today or at least, that’s the way that I see it.

          Allow us to see you as just a man, an American if you please. You owe that too us Chris and I owe it to you.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        CORRECTION – “deerinwater” IS THE ONE WHO CALLED ME, mulatto [and, he incorrectly defined it].

        “macgyver1948″ – SORRY, SIR.

        • Deerinwater

          This is the last time, I wish to address your race Chris.

          exerts from discussion on this matter of mixed race;

          I am Mulatto, and the only one to ever say anything to me was a Black guy . He asked me ‘What are you?, I told him Mulatto(I am from Louisiana ) He said.. “You are black, stop all that being white &%%…. I told him A Black woman Named ‘Grandma’, told me that.. not much else he said… Really sometimes it’s easier saying Mulatto than explaining. I am Black and German..unless they never heard of mulatto.

          mulato (mulatto): “a nonscientific term describing people of mixed race heritage.” It’s old-fashioned. Bi-racial is the preferred term.

          Mulatto is not a racist term, it merely describes a person of 50% black and 50% white heritage. It is a scientific term and whether or not “bi-racial” is the preferred terminology relies heavily upon geographical location and culture, and sub-culture.

          They shouldn’t be. They simply refer to someone who is of mixed ancestry. Many of the people in Central America are “Mestizo” which is a mixed European and Amer-Indian decent. If they know what it means they shouldn’t be offended but a lot of times, people are ignorant and react inappropriately.

          Mulatto:
          Mulatto denotes a person with one white parent and one black parent “or” a person who has black ancestry and white ancestry

          Milano:
          3. milano
          Half black, Half White.
          You guys are so tan, you look milano!

          Another one:

          2. milano
          another way of saying mulatto. as in a person who is half black and half white.

          If you can’t get your mind around such simple terms ~ you really need to stay far away from discussions about gender and sex ~ . You’d be eaten alive and would not know were to $hit or $hine your shoes.

        • macgyver1948

          Chris… When I saw I called you a mulatto I thought ”when was that?” so I tried to remember. Thanks or helping me remember it wasn’t me, LOL…

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “deerinwater,”

        IN YOUR REPLY TO SOMEONE ELSE, YOU TYPED [sic], “a mulatto is someone with black and white ancestory.” THAT VAGUE ANSWER WILL CONFUSE SOME PEOPLE. SO, I BECAME MORE SPECIFIC.

        DURING SLAVERY, A mulatto WAS THE “OFFSPRING” OF A SLAVE FEMALE AND HER CAUCASIAN OWNER. A PERSON WHO HAS A DISTANT RELATIVE OF ANOTHER RACE [LIKE, A GREAT-GRANDMOTHER], IS NOT A, mulatto.

        • Deerinwater

          Ones own understanding and preference is indicative of region, culture and the family environment Mr. Horton. ~ Call me anything, just call me to dinner.

          You and I are not home here, ~ this is a world stage Mr. Horton. We should attempt to stay mindful of that fact.

          Let’s put this topic to bed and move forward.

          You and I cannot correct passed wrong(s) by word. ~ where it’s Presidents Jackson’ s “Trail of Tears” or Theodore Roosevelt starting the Spanish American with little more then speculation and conjecture or proclaiming a Nation founded in liberty and justice for all while engaging in the slave trade.

          Let’s move on to current events. ~ My mother dressed me funny too ~ but today I dress myself.

      • Charlie

        macgyver1948,,,
        You keep telling some that you believe in God,,,but,,,don’t believe His Bible, The Holy Bible of The Almighty God and His Son King Jesus Christ…
        White Supremacist are born into it,,, One become aware of being it when they learn who
        The Bible says are God’s chosen people and that they are in that peoples lineage as evidenced by lots of visual and historical evidence in their being… How many time do I have to point at Scriptures before you believe them??? Meanwhile…………………….
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • macgyver1948

          Charlie… Why are you so dense? I tell you over and over again and you just cant seem to comprehend English especially if it comes from someone who you refuse to allow their beliefs if different from yours. This shows you are not for “Freedom” and liberty so again I ask that you remove the word “Freedom” from your chosen signature because you are a true fraud.

          I believe in God how God is presented to us in the Hebrew Bible. I do not accept Jesus as anything other than a mortal man from history. So in that I do not believe in your bible or that it is God’s bible. It is your chosen bible and I respect that but you do not know what respect is if something disagrees with how you believe. Can you understand it now or should I get more graphic for your delicate incompetent brain? How many times have I explained this to you and you still do not get it?

          Maybe when you learn what the Hebrew Bible is saying since God gave it to Moses for us, or for you what you call “The Old Testament”, you will understand its scriptures as God meant them as we Jews see it. So don’t ask me “How many time do I have to point at Scriptures before you believe them???” because I do believe in how they were explained to Moses and on through the rabbis since Moses and that includes Rabbi Jesus.

          Your problem is your lack of respect for other people’s beliefs and religions. How can you expect anyone to respect you and your beliefs if you can’t show any respect for other peoples rights in that? You appear to not like the Golden Rule. That is sad, you are sad.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Charlie” AND “macgyver1948,”

        THIS THREAD IS TEN-DAYS OLD. FOR THE PAST FIVE DAYS, Y’ALL HAVE BEEN PLAYING ONE-UPSMANSHIP ON WHO KNOWS The Bible BEST. Y’ALL ARE Bible fanatics.

        SO, THE TWO OF YOU ARE, “sheeple,” BECAUSE YOU ARE BEING “LED BY THE NOSE” – HONORING A FAIRY-TALE CHARACTER WHO HUNG ON A CRUCIFIX AND ARISEN FROM THE DEAD. THAT IS SAD.

        • macgyver1948

          CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON… Wow all the YELLING on your part. Do you think we wouldn’t hear you in here if you used your in-door voice? LOL.

          So you like the newest TP buzzword “Sheeple” do you? Good for you as you are led by them. At least we have beliefs, even if Charlie has no respect for other people’s beliefs and acceptances. If you want to be God-less that is your business and your right. Speak for yourself if you are capable.

          Oh, I see you too are expressing yourself on a “Ten Day Old” or older thread. Conversations on here can go on for a while if people would like to continue them. How else would we get in contact if we just dropped it when people like you are annoyed with the stall thread? I’m not giving people like Charlie my email addy. Isn’t the purpose of sites like this for people to commutate and share? Why put time limits on them if sharing and communication is the purpose? Don’t read them if they bother you.

          If you have been reading my posts with Charlie you would know I do not believe he rose from the dead. Did you miss that or just choose to?

          Enjoy your day.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “macgyver1948,”

        OF COURSE, YOU CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION FOR AS LONG AS, YOU WANT.

        IN REFERENCE TO MY COMMENT ABOUT THE SO-CALLED, “crucifixion and resurrection,” I WAS NOT THINKING ABOUT YOUR STATUS AS, HEBREW.

        AS AN ATHEIST, “macgyver1948,” I WAS MERELY COMMENTING ON THE OBSESSIVE NATURE OF YOUR Bible DISCUSSION WITH, “Charlie.”

    • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

      Sheeple fits, because most don’t care about happiness other then their own, forget the people who work hard to support a real family of father, mother and children and let the lawless do what they want if it makes them happy, forget those who live off our earnings without labor, they are happy as can be and drink out of the same cool-aid bowl as the marxist who want to enslave everyone on to their plantation of sheeple. That doesn’t make me happy so I’m against those who think their happiness is the only one that counts. Come for me and my family and you will become dead sheeple.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Benjamin Fox,”

        THE MORE I READ YOUR COMMENTARY, THE FUNNIER YOU BECOME.

        • macgyver1948

          Chris… It would make sense for it to get funnier to you if you do not agree. Good for you…

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “macgyver1948,”

        ACTUALLY, I THOUGHT “Benjamin Fox’s” LAST SENTENCE WAS THE ONLY FUNNY PART OF HIS COMMENTARY. CAUCASIAN GUN-FANATICS LOVE TO SAY THEY WILL SHOOT ANYONE WHO “MESSES” WITH THEM, OR, THEIR FAMILIES.

        NEGRO MALES LIKE SURPRISE SHOOTINGS. THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN UNNECESSARY TALK – IF NEGRO MALES ARE “PISSED,” THEY SHOOT.

    • kimo3690

      SELF-HAPPINESS IS THE KEY???? Keep SECURITY (and government opression) at ALL costs including giving up LIBERTY???? PLEASE RE-READ Bob’s Blog again PLEASE!!! Thank God the LIBERTY movement is growing bigger & faster then YOU can imagine…….

    • ROGER, Irish-Canadian LIBERTARIAN

      Justification of the SHEEPLE, Christopher

    • Ibn Insha

      After reading your comment I am convinced Brandon Smith was writing about people like you.

      It is a very well written and enlightening article. No body is perfect but learning from our mistakes and the history as well as drawing our own conclusions, based on logic and merits of facts, instead of relying on conclusion of a crowd, makes us educated. You don’t need to go to school to be educated. This world is full of educated ignorant people.

      • Deerinwater

        We Sir, ~ I too was not sure to whom this address was too. ~ You Say that maybe it was to people like Chris , while you seem to be the one that got the most out of it. ~ That would have me believing that Brandon was writing to you!

        ,You say; instead of relying on conclusion of a crowd, makes us educated. You don’t need to go to school to be educated. This world is full of educated ignorant people.

        Many of us have thought this way for many years ~ so ~ forgive me for failing to get “it” ~ we have been employing independent thinking years !

        While it appears that Brandon is calling his opposition goats and sheep! LOL!

        Clearly the GOP is full of stump broke Goats and Sheep. ~ Are they not the ones that had an insider trade running for president and the GOP had you believing that just maybe it was somehow okay?

        Maybe “we” could pull this off? LOL too funny!

    • Tom Cook

      [offensive comment removed]. What is this blather? Here we have a classic example of a sheeple–a sheep people. They are the 47% mentioned by Mitt Romney or the 51 percent of the forty something percent of the voting population who voted for the Kenyan because they think he is an articulate light-skinned negro despite credible evidence that he is the most depraved of all of the There is no cure for stupid. I don’t believe there are enough of we who are sheepdogs to herd this Soylent Green back into a rule of law.

    • scott bobst

      This response indemnifies the sheeple type of reasoning. Following the government because the majority says we should and not accepting any ideas that cause stress or cause us to break out of our comfort zone. This is s great recipe for a meaningless existence

    • Julia Cooper

      Chris: It appears you missed the jest of the entire article–an individual being so “stress-free that they abandon all their freedoms to a tyranical elite, who then proceeds to
      control that individual’s every function in life; indeed, even possibly TAKING the life
      of the said individual.

      • Deerinwater

        Right Julia, ~ It ‘s from the womb to the tomb ~ and Horton is a produce of his environment. A strange cat, ~ not one of many.

    • sig516

      BAAAAAAAAAAA…Perfect example of a “sheeple”. Another weak minded fool groveling to save your pathetic existence. You’d probably sell out your Mother to save your own skin.

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    “Brandon Smith,”

    SIR, YOU MISUNDERSTOOD MY POINT.

    THE PURPOSE OF YOUR ARTICLE IS TO STATE THAT SOMETHING IS FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG WITH AMERICA; AND, IF DRASTIC MEASURES ARE NOT TAKEN, THIS NATION WILL SUFFER AN UNSTOPPABLE CHAOS.

    WHEN THIS “THEORY” IS COMBINED WITH THE FACT THAT MANY CONSERVATIVES HAVE BECOME PARANOID WITH AN OVERWHELMING FEAR OF LOSING THEIR GUNS DUE TO A United Nations Shakedown (WHICH WILL NOT HAPPEN), THOSE WITH WEAK MINDS WILL “BURST” INTO UNREASONABLE ACTION WITH A “MIND’S EYE” OF ATTACKING A TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT – BUT, IN REALITY, THESE IMPAIRED PEOPLE WILL BE SHOOTING CIVILIANS.

    CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    • Brandon Smith

      @Chris

      You have no “point” to misunderstand. That is the problem. And, once again you attempt to use Alinsky misdirection and Strawman methods.

      I never brought up UN confiscation in the article, and the 2nd Amendment is certainly not the only issue Americans have to be concerned about, though it is obviously an issue. OUR government is calling for weapons bans. I am more worried about them than the UN.

      What about the NDAA provisions for indefinite detainment without trial of anyone accused by the president of being a “terrorist”, including U.S. citizens. Or how about the Obama Administration claiming the right to assassinate American citizens whenever he pleases? Do you support these policies?

      Also, who said anything about “shooting civilians”? Anymore strawman arguments you would like to throw out there?

      You made the argument earlier that we must abide by the law and abide by government authority as long as the “majority” is comfortable. So, I’ll ask you again; if the government and a large section of the public deem an unethical policy acceptable and lawful, is it really acceptable and lawful? If the government claims a majority backing for the destruction of the 1st Amendment, should the citizenry abide by that policy, or should they revolt? Do you believe that the government should be allowed to do anything it wants as long as they have a misinformed and uneducated majority behind them?

      Why do you keep hiding from these questions?

      • http://Yahoo Maynard

        Brandon, you are very impressive in both your analysis of the concept of “sheeple” and your argumentation. I am almost 70 and I have seen how our population has been manipulated, myself included as I was a supporter of Nixon against Kennedy. Thankfully, I was a debater and learned to look at both sides of an argument weighing each side according to its logic, reason, and evidence. I quickly became an enthusiastic supporter of JFK who attacked so many of the problems with which society has been burdened – largely because his death gave free rein to the military-industrial complex Eisenhower warned us about. He was against the Vietnam lie and this has been demonstrated by the opening of documents under the Freedom of Information Act. He wanted to wrest our money supply from the Federal Reserve. He wanted Americans to serve as leaders to overcome poverty and ignorance all over the world, not as bullies grabbing natural resources and overthrowing democratically elected regimes such as in Iran, Guatemala, Chile, Nicaragua, and many others.
        Initially, I believed the Gulf of Tonkin lie, was unaware of LBJ’s involvement in the attack on the USS Liberty, and the numerous other atrocities used to manipulate the ‘sheeple,’ Many are blindly patriotic and believe the false flags. The worst false flag of all was 9/11 which Bob Livingston had the courage to attempt to expose on this very forum. I have posted on that topic and have had few responses. Instead, we have individuals who are blindly anti-liberal, anti anyone who is non-judeo Christian, gay, or not a racist. Obama may be disavowed as you and I do for his treachery in signing the NDAA 2012, his assertion of the right to assassinate US citizens without due process, his secrecy and his vilification of whistle-blowers,his support of the bankster-gangsters, etc., but we do not do so because he is half-African. Nor, do liberals such as myself broadly condone any of the bipartisan attacks on our Constitution as found in the Patriot Act, Homeland Security, NDAA 2012 etc. I do not think we are a democracy either. I do not recall any votes by the general public approving these erosions of our rights.
        I look forward to reading more of your essays.

      • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

        Amen Brandon, the cool-aid drinkers use feelings instead of common sense, in their minds common sense died and they forgot to go to the funeral. God Bless:

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      OKAY, Brandon Smith, “LET US BE REAL.”

      YOU WROTE AN ARTICLE WHICH WILL, PRIMARILY, BE READ BY PEOPLE OVER SIXTY. IT IS UNDERSTOOD THAT THESE PEOPLE BELIEVE AMERICAN YOUTH CAN NOT BE HELPED. SO, Mr. Smith, YOUR MATURE READERS HAVE DECIDED TO LOOK-OUT FOR THEMSELVES.

      ON A DAILY BASIS, Personal Liberty Digest PUBLISHES “GUN-GRAB” ARTICLES. AND, Bob Livingston IS CONSTANTLY TELLING PEOPLE TO BUY GOLD. THEREFORE, IT IS OBVIOUS THAT Personal Libertarians BELIEVE THEY MUST “GET PREPARED” FOR SOME TYPE OF IMPENDING TRAGEDY. IN ESSENCE, Mr. Smith, YOU ARE SAYING THE “sheeple” ARE “IN THE WAY.”

      Mr. Smith, YOU ASKED ME TO LOOK-UP “Constitutional Republic” AND “Democracy.” I ASK YOU, SIR, CAN YOU DEFINE, “Radical?”

      I DO NOT KNOW IF I AM MIMICKING Saul Alinsky. I AM A SIMPLE MAN TALKING COMMON SENSE.

      CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      • Brandon Smith

        @Chris

        I’m, seeing a lot of tap dancing from you, Chris, and yet, not a single concrete answer. Why are you hiding from my questions? Is it because you are afraid to confront them honestly? Why is that?

      • deerinwater

        Brandon Smith says:
        February 5, 2013 at 5:50 am
        @Chris

        “You have no “point” to misunderstand. ”

        I say, No, He has a point that your are doing your best to ignore.

      • Ron

        You are correct when you say you are simple, but common sense belongs to the older generation!

      • JeffH

        deer, having “listened” to you over time, it’s easy to see why you think Horton has a point. Neither of you have a point, nothing, nada except a lot of jibberish banter. I’ve had my go-round with Horton and he’s proved he’s a looney-toon. One and only one series of exchanges is all it took to realize it. You’d do well to stay out of his fight with Smith.

        • Deerinwater

          You are right JeffH ~ You really are ~ none of them actually has much of a “point” and that includes Brandon Smith. ~

          And why I was enjoying Chris’s banter so. ~

          In Mr. Smith long winded closing summary he stated , “The collective mind has no concern for individual freedom, including the freedom to live in peace. Violence in the name of conformity is very common in such cultures.”

          I say, ~ WTF Is a collective mind? Exactly how is that determined? ~~ Could that be narrowed down some? ~ Examples, pictures, illustrations?

          What is he talking about ~ The Borg? Ants? what century, what nation, what people , what culture is he directing his comments?

          Is he talking about the USA or Egypt or out back Afghanistan, the Salem Witch Trials, the Mormon’s forced out and pilgrimage to Utah, the Arcadian Removal, carpetbaggers with the Northern and Federal mandate to screw a defeated South out of their property and last vestiges of human dignity?

          Brandon Smith’s 25 paragraphs of psychobabble is attempting to sell soap and carry water to a crowd of people that have plenty.

          ~ This, ~ “Though our numbers small, we are right and everyone else is wrong”, message does not require 25 paragraphs to say.

          At first read, I could not begin to know how to respond to it !

          That Chris jumped in, head first I might add ~ I found amusing, ~ better him than I.

          So ~ Sue me JeffH!

      • http://gravatar.com/plfprime GALT

        You call that a fight? Once again, ole brandon has produced another opus magnus
        about nothing and when challenged has fallen on his “alinsky like” rebuttal…….

        Meanwhile, all the behavior an tactics that ole Brandon alludes to, is exhibited by
        the very people who think he actually said something………….including the physical
        threats……….

        This “opus” once again, has no specifics, identifies no one, and alludes to a
        history he has no knowledge or understanding of and a document which has not
        existed since 1938, and because of it “nothing” any administration does is
        “unconstitutional”.

        http://www.supremelaw.org/authors/freeman/freeman4.htm

        But Brandon is telling the truth about one thing, he is an “individual” in desperate
        need of a “group”……..and it’s not like he is standing up to the “government”, since
        he is operating as a “corporation” ( non-profit )…..and in suggesting alternative
        markets….he would also have to acknowledge the “appropriate authorities” regarding
        barter and taxes, etc.

        He is of course “not a sheeple” and his expectation is, that by never identifying
        anything specific, you will automatically assume that you are also “not a sheeple”,
        ……..the problem with that approach is that “someone” has got to be a “sheeple”,
        so you have a choice…….you can be a Brandon sheeple, which is the “survivalist”
        cult or the end is nigher….maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow BUT SOON and
        for the rest of your life……..( home base montana……safe haven one & two )
        meanwhile……there are things to SELL, and weekly screeds for the choir that
        is receptive…….hell he even scored a door kicker……..today.

        In the end, it requires an end to be meaningful, especially if you are investing
        in a physical location………an starting from “scratch” is a pain………so he tends to
        get emotional when challenged…….but then naive children tend to do this
        anyway…….and he does put a lot of effort into “saying nothing” once a week
        and he actually thinks he knows what he is talking about……and is capable of
        logically, reasoned, intelligent argument……….

        If he actually does develop these skills, you will recognize it, when he ceases
        to use “alinsky like”, and all the other things that he refers to in his screed,
        but can’t seem to avoid when engaging his “challengers”………

        Well Brandon, since you seem to have your hands full today, I’ll catch you next
        time………you need to read more and write less……..

        Why don’t you try; the Fall of the House of Dixie and The Real History of
        the Civil War: A New Look at the Past………you also might want to check
        out Black 9/11, The Rich Don’t Always Win; and The Clash of the Cultures,
        Investment v. Speculation………and maybe a book or two on “logical
        argument” and “critical thinking”, no rush on the last ones, since you won’t
        really need them until you actually “say something.

        “He who controls the present controls the past. He who controls the past,
        controls the future.”

      • Brandon Smith

        @GALT

        And once again Galt makes up his own “facts”, and uses hyperbole in cowardly fashion instead of confronting concrete arguments.

        I am not part of a corporation and Alt-Market is not incorporated. Where do you get this stuff?

        I also do not encourage people to report barter to the government. In fact, I specifically tell them not to.

        As for sheeple in general, I never said that a person is a sheeple merely because they disagree with me. In fact, I state quite clearly that sheeple are people who deliberately avoid the facts of ANY particular issue and follow the group without question. Like Chris up above, who believes that we should abide by government, no matter how corrupt, just because the majority is comfortable in their slavery.

        What do you believe? Do you think that majority opinion trumps individual liberty? Do you think that government criminality is acceptable as long as the majority gives it a pass? Why will no one answer these questions?

        • deerinwater

          Brandon ask; “What do you believe? Do you think that majority opinion trumps individual liberty? Do you think that government criminality is acceptable as long as the majority gives it a pass? Why will no one answer these questions”

          I say, Hmmm? Why? because I never heard you ask them before. ~if you have asked them before. they got lost in your lengthy composition.

          I ask you, are you going to continue framing complex and tricky question in a yes or no box.

          Would you accept any other answer other then a yes or no?

          Question # 1 I believe that a majority’s opinion supersedes an individual’s opinion about what he might think his liberties entitle him.

          Question #2. I ask , which Laws, Laws or man or Laws of the Almighty?

          Laws of the Almighty supersede all laws.

          Laws of man are always up for arbitration and interpretation while a majority ruling will indeed be left for each citizen to comply or be found in willful noncompliance and subject to penalties.

      • Michael J.

        Galt,
        At last you make a valid point. An event worthy of my re-emergence from retirement. The replacement of the document in question is indeed the reason why matters deemed unconstitutional are not scrutinized… such as the eligibility of the current tenant residing at 1600 Pensylvania Av.

        As for the term “Sheeple”, everyone here should lighten up on it’s usage. The reason people are compared with sheep is because these formerly wild creatures were domesticated/indoctrinated by manipulative humans for the reaping of bountiful resources in what ever manner best suited their captors. Like sheep, humans are now being bred, born and vacinated to be mindless drones content with grazing in a field, or in front of a TV set right next to the slaugther house/Fema Camp. In light if this, todays seemingly lost ideologues and entitlement junkies are not completely to blame for brainwashing that creates a maindset which originated in their grandmothers womb.

        It is the devine wish and intent of the shadowy elite, that obediant low information serfs emerge as the helpless majority in the nouveau
        feudal society they envision.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jim.chambers.986 Jim Chambers

        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON,
        There is a difference between being a simple man and being a simple minded man. And common sense, sir, is not what you are about.
        Your penchant for putting words in the author’s mouth is very revealing.
        No disrespect intended.

      • Brandon Smith

        @Deer

        These questions are only complex to those without moral compass. Also, my questions were directed at Chris, not you, but since you feel the need to answer (though you didn’t really answer), let’s examine your position.

        I asked if Chris believes that a government is just in its position as long as the “majority” backs that position? You essentially say yes. So my question now is, what if the majority calls for an immoral action? Is government sponsored rendition, torture, murder, and genocide acceptable in America if a majority says it is? Or is there a higher law at work that individuals with conscience adhere to? Is it wrong for a just minority to revolt against a corrupt majority? And if so, why?

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        Brandon Smith,

        SIR, THAT IS A MIS-CHARACTERIZATION OF MY VIEW.

        THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO GO THROUGH THEIR DAILY LIVES WITH NO THOUGHT OF POLITICS AND “New World Orders.” THEY DO NOT WATCH LOCAL EVENING-NEWS. THE ONLY TIME THEY SEE NEWS PROGRAMMING IS WHEN THEIR FAVORITE SHOW IS INTERRUPTED WITH A, “SPECIAL REPORT.”

        YET, THESE PEOPLE ARE HAPPY AND CONTENT; AND, NOT WORRIED ABOUT Homeland Security PEEPING IN THEIR WINDOWS.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        Brandon Smith,

        SIR, LIBERALS DO NOT HAVE A MONOPOLY ON IMMORALITY.

        YOUR POSITION HIGHLIGHTS YOUR BELIEF THAT LIBERALS (WHO “BELIEVE”) ARE TOTALLY “god-less” IN THEIR ACTIONS. TO NOT BE IN A RAMPAGE WHEN THE GOVERNMENT DOES SOMETHING SILLY DOES NOT MEAN LIBERALS WILL GIVE A “PASS” TO THINGS THEY PERSONALLY FIND, OBJECTIONABLE.

        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      • Deerinwater

        Brandon says ; @Deer

        These questions are only complex to those without moral compass. Also, my questions were directed at Chris, not you, but since you feel the need to answer (though you didn’t really answer), let’s examine your position.

        I say; You explained my position? Did you now? When you ask the board “Why will no one answer these questions?”

        That was my invitation Brandon. You solicited the board Brandon. I understand that you are attempting to cut Chris from the herd. ~ and I am enjoying the show regardless of your reasons. ~ I like Chris ~ but he’s a big boy and on his on here, teach him to stick his head in the kitchen if you can.

        In are far as this matter of concern being simple to you due to you high moral standing, I would think rather your pious demure makes them “appear” simple to you. ~ Much like DaveH , you approach to the topic is purely academic, you have no skin in the game. It’s either black or white, only when you are blind to the realities can such a simple understand even exist in your mind.

        Brandon says; “I asked if Chris believes that a government is just in its position as long as the “majority” backs that position? You essentially say yes. So my question now is, what if the majority calls for an immoral action? Is government sponsored rendition, torture, murder, and genocide acceptable in America if a majority says it is? Or is there a higher law at work that individuals with conscience adhere to? I

        I say, Brandon, if you are expecting a simple answer I’m afraid you are going to be very disappoint.

        First off, ~ there is no “IF” about it. ~ Such things are happening as we speak. It was the 107th Congress that has uncorked the Genie ~ and he’s proved to be very difficult to put back into the bottle! The dark forces that be , are taking much of this kind of activity off shore, out of the Continental United States and into the hands of “others”. ~ This activity carries on, off the radar, today.

        Brandon ask; ” Is it wrong for a just minority to revolt against a corrupt majority? And if so, why?

        I ask; Right and wrong to whom? What do you mean by revolt? ~ and do you want to be successful with your revolt? You know Matters of right or wrong can easily get lose in a revolts.

        If the”end” might justify the means, what justifies the end? Silence? What if I say , It’s not over?

        You don’t appear to be a person willing to live for months uncover and crawl on your belly a quarter mile Brandon, ~ while you are talking like a man with a pair of jumper cables looking to start something.

      • http://gravatar.com/plfprime GALT

        And once again Galt makes up his own “facts”, and uses hyperbole in cowardly fashion instead of confronting concrete arguments.

        Once again, Brandon sees what he wants, uses “ad hominen”, an employs rhetoric to mask his lack of ability to reason intelligently. I did not come here to “argue” with you, Brandon……you have enough on your hands already.

        I am not part of a corporation and Alt-Market is not incorporated. Where do you get this stuff?

        Are you familiar with something called Neither Corporation, aka Neither Corp? Currently, in a limbo state, but taking “donations”? for non profit purposes? I do not know if you know this, but the use of certain words, like corporation, are restricted to “actual legally registered entities”….are you employing an “exception” or you just do not know this………in any case, taken together…..this would seem to indicate a non profit corporation, with your name attached….if that is not the impression you a trying to create…….maybe you should correct it?

        I also do not encourage people to report barter to the government. In fact, I specifically tell them not to.

        I see, so what does THIS mean:

        “Alt-Market.com does not advocate illegal activity. Please do not do anything illegal. Seriously.”

        As for sheeple in general, I never said that a person is a sheeple merely because they disagree with me.

        Who said you did?

        In fact, I state quite clearly that sheeple are people who deliberately avoid the facts of ANY particular issue and follow the group without question.

        I know…..but there are so many “groups” including “yours”…….but for you there is only THE GROUP…….no specificity, just a label, like all the rest of your say nothing opus……which is rather strange, because the SPLC has labeled you……..and you label others…..why is it that you see things in others…..yet can’t see them in yourself…….if you are going to write this meaningless nonsense at least be smart enough to keep your mouth shut……..especially if you can’t control impulses. There are enough idiots already here, that will happily defend you with the same degree of incompetance.

        Like Chris up above, who believes that we should abide by government, no matter how corrupt, just because the majority is comfortable in their slavery.

        Is that what he said? Is that what you think he said? You see, you don’t have a very good track record when it comes to comprehension…..you are to busy trying to defend your “nebulous rhetoric” and “questionable knowledge regarding FACTS”. But as I said, I am not here to argue with you today…….Mr Horton is a big boy and he could use the practice, unfortunately many get “distracted” by rhetoric……I am here, like deer to reduce your argument to it’s essential “nothingness”…..maybe Mr. Horton will get it………( he almost did ).

        What do you believe?

        I thought you had that all figured out……the last time I was a ” collectivist” employing “alinsky like tactics”….while you couldn’t answer a simple series of questions regarding what was and was not a myth.

        I have provided you with a link on the ‘constitution” which you claim to understand…….and have provided you with a whole list of books, which will if nothing else, with give you some foundational sense of the REALITY in which you exist…..so go back and reread what was said to you, for the first time. ( there are more books there too )

        Do you think that majority opinion trumps individual liberty?

        Is that supposed to be an intelligent question?

        Do you think that government criminality is acceptable as long as the majority gives it a pass?

        Do you think the “majority” is giving “government” a pass? Why don’t you be the individual you claim to be and DO something about it? Shed a little blood and refresh that “tree of liberty”……people are waiting for the CALL……are you issuing THE CALL? Now that, that little bit of nonsense is out of the way………the “sheeple” you refer to, are “victims” of “government corruption” just like you…..and they like you aren’t going to do anything stupid……nor should they…….welcome to the world of the “sheeple”, because YOU ARE ONE. Wanna stop being one, read the link follow directions……reclaim those “constitutional rights” you have voluntarily relinquished…….I did…….be an individual, because to do it, you have to do it ALONE.

        Why will no one answer these questions?

        Well the first one was “stupid”, but if you want to provide “specifics” regarding the circumstances which apply to this “mythical” choice, I’m pretty certain ANYONE could give you an answer. Now if you want to know how bad things really are….grab Black 9/11 immediately. Most people here don’t actually read books…….so you could actually write one hell of a piece, using the information in it…….as always I’m glad we could share this time together………was it good for you?

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        IF Brandon Smith WANTS, “to cut Chris from the herd … ” AS “deerinwater” TYPED, I WANT CONFIRMATION FROM, Brandon Smith.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        THANKS, “GALT.”

      • Brandon Smith

        @GALT

        Thank you for illustrating my point. All that talk and not a single tangible answer to any question I presented. Instead, you reverted to character attacks in order to distract, which shows me that you are afraid. To respond by calling a question “stupid” without backing you position with anything relevant? You seem to be slipping, Galt. Try harder next time…

        I’ll ask again, and lets see if any person here who disagrees with the above article can finally give a straight answer, instead of the absurd display of mental gymnastics we’ve seen so far:

        Do you support Obama’s policy of indefinite detention and rendition outlined in the NDAA?

        Do you support Obama’s policy of rendition and assassination of American citizens without trial?

        Do you believe that it is acceptable for a government to pass any law, no matter how immoral, as long as they have “majority support” behind them?

        Would you support the dismantling of the 1st Amendment if the government claimed it was lawful and the “majority” supported it?

        Do you believe it is morally acceptable for a government to mistreat and abuse a subsection of a population just because they are in a “minority”? Like, for instance, the forced internment of Japanese Americans in concentration camps by FDR during WWII?

        These are indeed Yes/No questions, though you are perfectly welcome to qualify your statements (which no one has yet done). It’s laughable how desperate GALT, Deer, and Chris are to avoid answering these questions in a clear and direct manner. Watch how they dance, folks. Watch how they dance…

        • Deerinwater

          but again, Brandon Smith attempts to “frame” his input into “Yes or No” ~

          Does Brandon Smith believe in “absolutes” ? that a single word can describe it all?

      • Brandon Smith

        @Galt

        If you had done any research beyond looking at the donations page, you would have discovered that NeitherCorp is the name of a website I used to run. It is not a corporation. Your ignorant assumptions are your problem, not mine. You might want to work on that…

        Also, it is not “illegal” (yet) for people to barter without reporting to the government. Show me the last time someone was arrested for barter. Beyond that, your original point has no merit. Show me where I have ever asked anyone to report their barter to the authorities.

        You answer questions with questions, instead of honest opinion, which is a very Alinsky thing to do. If you don’t like the label, then stop using the tactics. Stop trying to subvert the discussion with dishonest debate methods and present some tangible answers.

      • http://gravatar.com/plfprime GALT

        You really can’t READ….how stupid are you Brandon?

        I will deal with you when as as it suits me……..you ARE pathetic!!!!!

      • http://gravatar.com/plfprime GALT

        BTW does anyone notice the “stupid childe” appealing for DEMOCRATIC
        approval?

        BTW he OWNS his website….free speech is NOT allowed there.

        Grow some hair…….then you won’t LOOK like the neo nazi extremist the SPLC
        is trying to paint you as!

        “You have the SINGLE unalienable right to continue to attempt to survive.”

        That is all any MORAL person needs…..I own it, I own P.L.F. and I operate
        under First…..DO NO HARM……..go get your diapers changed.

      • Brandon Smith

        @Galt

        More ad hominem attacks? You really haven’t learned anything yet, have you? It sure is hard to troll a website when people know your playbook, isn’t it?

        Your goal in trolling this site is obviously to derail legitimate discussion and attack sincere posters. If you were merely trying to present an honest viewpoint, you could easily answer my questions. But you won’t do that, because by answering, you are forced to take a clear position. When a troll takes a clear position he weakens his ability to switch gears, go off on tangents, and mislead others (it’s another Alinsky tactic, but I’m sure you know that).

        If you really hope to affect the viewpoints of this website or the people who frequent it, or even if you just want to demean those viewpoints, you’re going to have to be taken at least somewhat seriously. When you refuse to answer very easy and clear questions, it makes you look foolish. You do realize how silly and futile your methods have been so far, right?

      • Brandon Smith

        @Deer

        Like I predicted. More dancing from Deer, and still no concrete response. These guys must really be afraid to answer the questions. They are using every trick in the book (Alinsky’s book) to avoid them.

      • JeffH

        Brandon, kudos for this part of your response to GALT: “Your goal in trolling this site is obviously to derail legitimate discussion and attack sincere posters.”

        Many of us have learned over time to pass by and ignore these “Alinsky” influenced commentors…but they keep on tryin’.

        “The first step in community organization is community disorganization. The disruption of the present organization is the first step toward community organization. Present arrangements must be disorganized if they are to be displace by new patterns…. All change means disorganization of the old and organization of the new.”

        “An organizer must stir up dissatisfaction and discontent…The job then is getting the people to move, to act, to participate; in short, to develop and harness the necessary power to effectively conflict with the prevailing patterns and change them. When those prominent in the status quo turn and label you an ‘agitator’ they are completely correct, for that is, in one word, your function—to agitate to the point of conflict.”

        The tenth rule of the ethics of means and ends’ is: ‘you do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral arguments.

        The qualities Alinsky looked for in a good organizer were:

        ego (“reaching for the highest level for which man can reach — to create, to be a ‘great creator,’ to play God”),

        curiosity (raising “questions that agitate, that break through the accepted pattern”),

        irreverence (“nothing is sacred”; the organizer “detests dogma, defies any finite definition of morality”),

        imagination (“the fuel for the force that keeps an organizer organizing”),

        a sense of humor (“the most potent weapons known to mankind are satire and ridicule”), and an

        organized personality with confidence in presenting the right reason for his actions only “as a moral rationalization after the right end has been achieved.’…
        http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm

      • http://gravatar.com/plfprime GALT

        Brandon Smith says: February 5, 2013 at 11:04 pm @GALT
        Thank you for illustrating my point.

        No need to thank me, Mr. Brandon ( alinsky like ) Smith, as I try to educate the “willfully ignorant, functional illiterates” where ever I find them…….unfortunately, it would seem that you may be a “special needs” pupil and the prognosis does NOT look promising.

        All that talk and not a single tangible answer to any question I presented.

        Brandon dear, are you BLIND? Do you see how this is laid out? Do you have a clue as to WHY? Your entire post to me was copied, pasted and responded to……..that you are a “functional illiterate” and can’t comprehend what you READ, is not my problem…….your questions TO ME, were answered.

        Instead, you reverted to character attacks in order to distract, which shows me that you are afraid.

        I must admit, the first time I went to court, attempting to use the “gold and silver” argument from Art 1, from section 10, having had all my motions dismissed by the “judge” regarding “jury instructions” and having just been threatened by him, with a felony conviction, a year in jail, and some $1,300 in fines, I WAS……. mildly anxious.

        TRUST ME SON, you do NOT have anything that would even remotely provoke FEAR…….in anyone.

        To respond by calling a question “stupid” without backing you position with anything relevant?

        That you are a “Functional ILLITERATE” is not MY PROBLEM.

        I did not come here to “argue” with you, Brandon……you have enough on your hands already.

        But as I said, I am not here to argue with you today…….Mr Horton is a big boy and he could use the practice, unfortunately many get “distracted” by rhetoric……I am here, like deer to reduce your argument to it’s essential “nothingness”

        Well the first one was “stupid”, but if you want to provide “specifics” regarding the circumstances which apply to this “mythical” choice, I’m pretty certain ANYONE could give you an answer.

        What part of the preceding “responses” do you NOT understand? What is the subject of your ARTICLE? Because, Mr. Brandon ( alinsky like ) Smith THAT is what I am responding to……..if you wish to make substantive points regarding these “other questions” you are now raising……..then maybe you should write articles about THEM in the first place……..right NOW, you are “off topic” ( mr moderator….your attention please ……just kidding Bob ) one of your “author’s is “losing it”.

        BTW every person who has challenged you on the actual “subject” of your post, has “essentially” raised the same point…….you are engaged in “pointless rhetoric”………and in the world of rhetoric ( logos, ethos and pathos ) you can attempt to employ the “latter” two…….to avoid the “first”………..and you may suceed. Unfortunately, you did NOT….you got caught by quite a number of people here……..Mr. Brandon ( alinsky like ) Smith. YOU GOT NO LOGOS!!!!!!!!

        You seem to be slipping, Galt. Try harder next time…

        You are hilarious…….the last time you had your head handed to you, your exit line was…….”Hey, everyone notice how hard GALT is trying….”

        It’s not hard Brandon ( alinsky like) Smith, it’s “childe’s play.

        Also, it is not “illegal” (yet) for people to barter without reporting to the government. Show me the last time someone was arrested for barter. Beyond that, your original point has no merit. Show me where I have ever asked anyone to report their barter to the authorities.

        Sorry Brandon, wrong again.

        Taxation of Barter
        November 29th, 2009

        Robert W. Wood writing for Forbes.com says that the IRS wants to tax your bartering transactions:

        The IRS starts with a down-home definition. Bartering is trading one product or service for another, whether informally and one-on-one or with multiple parties in a commercial setting.

        [Barter] has a storied, even ancient tradition. “Our ancestors may have exchanged eggs for corn,” explains the IRS, but “today you can barter computer services for auto repair.” The IRS also lists plumbing services for dental work. You name the swap, the IRS wants to tax it.

        Wherever it arises, it is income to both sides, just like cash, according to the IRS. That means each side must report the fair market value of the item or services received on their tax returns. It isn’t clear how much bartering goes on, or how much self-reporting there is. My guess is there is quite a lot of the former and not much of the latter.

        The IRS website includes a Bartering Tax Center which describes in detail the taxation and reporting of barter transactions.

        http://www.pappasontaxes.com/index.php/2009/11/29/taxation-of-barter/

        IRS MODIFIES GUIDANCE ON VOLUNTARY DISCLOSURE
        (The Tax Department)
        December 23, 2002

        On December 1, 2002, the Internal Revenue Service revised the practice of voluntary disclosure. Timely voluntary disclosure by a taxpayer of a substantial unreported tax liability is a crucial factor in determining whether the case should be referred for criminal prosecution. The taxpayer in making a timely disclosure must make arrangements with the IRS to pay in full the tax, interest and applicable penalties. However, in the past, the lack of guidance as to what constitutes timely disclosure sometimes made taxpayers hesitant to come forward and disclose their unreported tax liability.

        The IRS has now revised its guidance on voluntary disclosure in an attempt to reduce uncertainties about the timeliness standard. In Internal Revenue Manual 9.5.3.3.1.2.1, timely disclosure is defined as a disclosure that is received before:

        the IRS has initiated a civil examination or criminal investigation of the taxpayer, or has notified the taxpayer that it intends to commence such an examination or investigation;

        the IRS has received information from a third party (e.g., an informant, other governmental agency, or the media) alerting the IRS to the specific taxpayer’s noncompliance;

        the IRS has initiated a civil examination or criminal investigation which is directly related to the specific liability of the taxpayer; or

        the IRS has acquired information directly related to the specific liability of the taxpayer from a criminal action (e.g., a search warrant or grand jury subpoena).

        The Internal Revenue Manual further illustrates the concept of timely disclosure through a series of examples. According to the Manual, the following activities should constitute timely disclosure: (a) a letter from an attorney which encloses a client’s amended returns and offers to pay any applicable tax, interest and penalties; (b) a disclosure of omitted income facilitated through a barter exchange after the IRS announces that it has begun a compliance project targeting barter exchanges; (c) a disclosure of omitted income facilitated through a widely promoted tax scheme of which the IRS has begun a compliance project and already obtained information which might lead to an examination of the taxpayer – however, the IRS has not yet commenced an examination or investigation of the taxpayer or notified the taxpayer of its intent to do so; and (d) a disclosure by a taxpayer who has not filed tax returns after the individual received a notice stating that the IRS has no record of receiving a return for a particular year and inquiring into whether any return for such year was filed. However, a letter from an attorney stating that an anonymous client wants to resolve his or her tax liability is not adequate disclosure until the identity of the taxpayer is disclosed.

        It is important to mention that the voluntary disclosure practice does not absolutely guarantee the taxpayer protection from criminal prosecution. The IRS maintains the right to recommend a case for criminal prosecution regardless of the circumstances. Moreover, the voluntary disclosure practice does not apply to a taxpayer with illegal sources of income.

        It appears the IRS is attempting to encourage full compliance with the tax reporting laws by creating greater certainty as to when voluntary disclosure would be viewed as timely. However, taxpayers who are contemplating coming clean by making a voluntary disclosure should first consult with counsel in assisting them with issues such as privilege, strategy, relevant statutes of limitation, and concerns with state and local authorities.

        Can you read and comprehend that Mr. Brandon ( alinsky like ) Smith?

        I also do not encourage people to report barter to the government. In fact, I specifically tell them not to.

        Practicing law without a license is a criminal offense.

        You answer questions with questions, instead of honest opinion, which is a very Alinsky thing to do. If you don’t like the label, then stop using the tactics. Stop trying to subvert the discussion with dishonest debate methods and present some tangible answers.

        Really, Mr Brandon ( alinsky like ) Smith……is that what I AM DOING?

        You are ( again ) a “willfully ignorant, functional illiterate”. You seriously need to consider “suing” whatever “educational institution” you attended for “breach of contract”……….and you are HILARIOUS!!!!!

      • David M.

        Galt, you lost. Give it up, bud. Brandon asked you questions anyone should be able to answer, and you refused. That doesn’t look very good for you. You’re beaten. Hang up the spurs. It’s quit’n time.

        • Deerinwater

          Which questions, the yes or no questions?

          A good question “should be” asked in such a way that offer any answer given a hope for clarity and not generate 5 more questions.

          Brandon Smith has failed to do this David H.

          and Brandon Smith’s Thread post was directed at GOP rank and File as they are the ones that seemed to get the most out of it. ~ They are the sheeple , they are the ones with the un-electable candidates. They are the ones limping around today with self inflicted gunshot wounds to the foot and egg all over their face and not “opposition”.

          As far as any Trolls, ~ If you label all opposition as a Troll , certainly there is opposition here, ~ it is an “open” political forum is it not?

      • http://gravatar.com/plfprime GALT

        “open forum”?

        That is way coooooooolllllll!

        deer….,..you too!!!!!

        I love you man…..

      • David M.

        Deer, all I see are three guys trying to trash on Brandon instead of dealing with his points, and failing miserably. It just makes you look bad. Yeah, I get that you don’t like the questions he’s asking, but that doesn’t make them any less important. All you’ve done so far is play games while he makes real points. His way gets my respect. Your way makes me question your motives.

        I don’t know if Brandon is GOP or not. It seems like you’re just assuming that. The article doesn’t attack Dems or Reps. He’s warning against willful ignorance in any group of people.

      • Brandon Smith

        @David

        True, David. I did not specify Democrats in my article because I don’t buy into the false left/right paradigm. There are sheep on both sides of the aisle. Trolls like to pigeonhole people into one political camp or the other because it makes them easier to attack. They can simply call me “GOP” (even though I’m not) and then apply whatever superficial stereotypes they like.

        What’s funny is, I have been pointing out the corruption of the GOP since the Bush years. I even wrote an article after the election called “The GOP Is Dying Because The Liberty Movement Is Thriving”. I am perfectly willing to point out the crimes of the GOP, but Galt and his ilk still can’t admit to the crimes of Obama and the Dems. People like them lack honesty or principle, which is why they refuse to answer my questions.

        Galt, Chris, and Deer won’t answer because they want to avoid clarifying their position. If they do that, it weakens their ability to troll effectively because it prevents them from changing gears abruptly or changing their stance to divert attention. If they were in honest opposition to my stance, then they would lay down a clear and concise argument. (For instance, what is so difficult about stating whether you are for or against Obama’s Assassination programs against U.S. citizens?). Instead, they try to make the debate about ME personally, rather than the points or evidence I present. I actually enjoy the fact that they are so obsessed with attacking my work. It tells me I’m on the right track with my articles. As they say, you catch the most flak when you are directly over the target.

      • David M.

        Brandon, thanks for being straightforward. Chris Horton’s posts are all over the place, and as you said, Galt and Deer keep trying to make the argument about you rather than the subjects you presented. I was actually really curious to see what Galt and Deer’s responses would be to your questions. It would have made for a lively talk.

        You made a very good point, and these guys ignored it. Horton said in the very beginning that he thinks all people should be law abiding and that following the government does not make them sheeple, but what if the government is criminal? Should we be law abiding then? What if the law goes against our morals? I would have loved to have seen an answer from your critics, but they refused. The more I read their posts, the more I was disappointed.

        • macgyver1948

          David M… I am curious. What laws are against your morals? Who said “render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar’s and render unto God what is God’s. Now I believe “Ceasar” is a euphemism for what ever government we choose to live under at any time. And I would agree for a person who is of God he would consider God’s law higher but what American laws in your belief are not kosher to you? As I said, I am curious.

      • David M.

        Macguyver, there are so many to choose from. How about the NDAA? I’m definitely not a fan of the president being able to label me a terrorist and detain me or anyone else without a trial for the rest of our lives if he wants.

        Obama’s assassination list is frightening, and he claims that he has the right to put American citizens on it without providing proof that they are terrorists.

        I don’t think most drugs should be illegal, and I don’t think people should be imprisoned for possession. What a person wants to put in his own body is his business, not the government’s.

        What about the government being able to legally spy on our phone and email without a warrant? What happened to the fourth amendment?

        All these illegal wars overseas are a nightmare. Obama claimed he was going to end all of that, but instead he expanded the killing.

        I don’t agree with your interpretation of that quote from the bible. I’ve heard that same argument on Romans 13. Hitler used those quotes during his time to gain power, and look what happened. It’s just misuse of the bible to manipulate people.

        • macgyver1948

          David M… Thanks for your response…. Lets see.

          I am very much against the skipping of due process and eternal holding. You wouldn’t be labeled a terrorist because you aren’t charged while they hold you until they feel like letting you go or until they charge you. Damn, I do not like that either. Due process much prevail for all citizens. I wrote and told him and my senators that but they were not listening much but they did respond with a “for your safety” kind of thing.

          You say “I don’t think most drugs should be illegal, and I don’t think people should be imprisoned for possession. What a person wants to put in his own body is his business, not the government’s”. I agree that possession should not be an in-prison offense but major sales, if the item is classified controlled, should be. I would agree to a point with soft drugs but not with hard ones. Marijuana, for example, should be sold in stores and regulated as liquor is. Actually so many legal Pharms drugs can hurt us more than some of the illegal. We just have to pay attention to the TV drug ads and their disclaimers. But that is because the FDA is in business to defend and protect the wants of the Big Pharm and the Food companies. There is so much on that I cannot go into it here.

          Whatever medical disasters occur for a user of illegal drugs it should be all up to the user to pay for his med treatments. In other words no insurance should kick in and the user has to pay for all expenses. No one should have to pay for self induced problems. If the Right can say they do not want to pay for free loaders then I do not want to pay for a heroin or crack, etc addict’s treatments.

          You ask “What about the government being able to legally spy on our phone and email without a warrant? What happened to the fourth amendment?” Well, I believe bush jr and Homeland Security did a lot with that one, violating the Constitution, but to answer your question I believe it violates our privacy and it also offends the Constitution as well as us because the Constitution belongs to us and not the Government. I think they did this for “our security and safety”. I will let an old guy you may have heard of respond with the rest of my thought on this. “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” Benjamin Franklin. The Right screws us too and in many ways.

          How is that from this Liberal?

          If you remember when I asked about that bible quote I included “And I would agree for a person who is of God he would consider God’s law higher…”. So what about it do you not agree with? The “God’s law higher” part suggests that if we can prove Ceasar’s law is immoral then we protest in ways we need to. And using that evil bastard Hitler as an example is not working for this Jew. He would have said anything to justify his evil, even violate your Jesus.

          Enough for now…

      • Deerinwater

        David H says;” He’s warning against willful ignorance in any group of people.”

        I say, agreed! the single most cleaver bit of ambiguity composition in his far too lengthy posting.

        Where this was accidental or deliberate does not take away from the effect. ~ We have become so use to such a mad dog “slant” it was refreshing while in actual content ~ not so much.

        It was no news~ opposition long knew of this already ! ~ There no lock step march in the DNC. I enjoy my guns, ~ I’m no darn fairy ~ but I will 86 my differences to face a much greater evil! Guns are necessary and I’ve never been injured by a fairy. While I have been lied to and taken advantage of by administrations with hidden agendas ,corporate friends that capitalize of Christianity and American patriotism.

        Personally, ~ the OP’s ( original poster) posting offered me little in enlightenment while the following banter and reacting has been most reveling and rewarding.

        I say , wonderful! whatever it takes to wake you self proclaimed conservatives up, I’m all for it! The DNC needs sound opposition. Hence why I am here David, why I even bother to show up.

        Understand me, indulge me if you will,

        You didn’t just fall to earth and was raised by an old mama lion. we all enjoyed some support getting to when we are today and our founding fathers and the government they formed with checks and balanced played a big part in all of us being here today.

        To discount this fact is nothing short of selfish abomination in my eyes. i am an American and proud to be one yet humbled by the work of those that went before me in their darkest hours of uncertainty.

      • David M.

        Deer, that’s good to hear, but your defense of Horton and your manner, and not answering Smith’s straightforward questions makes it hard to believe that you are a hardcore defender of our constitutional rights. You see what I’m saying? All you had to do was be clear, and you weren’t, and that makes people question your priorities. Just something to think about.

        Horton in his posts was basically calling for us to stand down and ignore the troubles around us because some people are happy with the way things are. This sounds like the slave mentality to me. And you and Galt are backing him up? Why?

        You accuse Smith of being GOP, and then when you find out he’s not, you accuse him of being ambiguous? You have a real hard-on for this guy, and I guess I just don’t get it.

      • Brandon Smith

        @David

        I think the real question here is, why did Deer and Galt take my article so personally? If I was being “ambiguous” then why were their feelings so damaged? Could it be that something “ambiguous” in the article struck a nerve in them? Perhaps they should ask themselves why that is…

        Deer may very well be a patriot, but a sunshine patriot at best, which is why he refused to answer my questions. He tried to compare the question of whether or not he supports Obama’s assassination policies (which is a simple question, not a trick question) to the question of “Whether or not he beats his wife anymore..?” It’s a disingenuous comparison and another ploy to avoid clarifying his position.

        Again, he won’t answer yes or no because then he would have to deal with the conundrum of blindly defending Chris Horton’s position that we should abide by the law and government as long as the majority says we should (which is very difficult to defend if you admit that government and the majority are sometimes wrong or destructive).

        I’m just trying to get at the truth, or find out what they think is the truth. And they continue playing games.

        • Deerinwater

          Brandon Smith ask ; “Again, he won’t answer yes or no because then he would have to deal with the conundrum of blindly defending Chris Horton’s position ”

          I say, I defend Hortons position to speak and encourage his spirited debate ~ while I don’t defend his position, ~there is a difference.

          Even in your brief life time Brandon, the behavior of Dick Chaney while serving as VP to the United States should have bells and whistles going off and red lights flashing as to the ways Government officials can make an abomination out of the institution of government.

          I see little need joining in and be a active part to defend your superfluous article. It does not require defense!!!

          Do you get it now???? ~ Your argument is with Horton “the Profound” and not I.

          And I don’t usually answer “framed” yes or no question or argue which direction “up” is without privilege of context. Attempt to elevate and remove the blue sky from your question if you insist on a single word answer.

      • David M.

        Brandon, I have to agree. I’m just not seeing the kind of open and fair debate from Deer or Galt that I would like to see. I see a lot of name calling and personal attacks, and a lot of avoiding giving direct answers, but that’s about it. Horton answered the slavery question I suppose, but I almost rather he hadn’t. He was willing to argue in favor of slavery just so he didn’t have to admit he might be wrong about abiding by some laws. This thinking is what is wrong with the world today!

        I don’t get the opposition to your message. Anyone with a finger full of morality would agree that governments can be wrong at times, or even tyrannical, and that sometimes we have to stand up to them.

        My conclusion would be that some people will not hold government to a moral standard if their party is in power. I suspect that if Romney was president right now, and you published this article, Galt and Deer would have nothing to say about it.

        • Deerinwater

          David says,” Galt and Deer would have nothing to say about it.”

          I say, I cannot speak for anyone but myself. ~ But certainly ~ Publish away!

          I have no opposition to Brandon Smith post ~ none what so ever.

          If there are people out there that “don’t” know the nature of Government , they need too.

          I’m attempting to not condescend here, but for grown people to not already know the darker side of government by 30 years of age make one wonder what kind of person are they. where do the live, what factors has allow them to grow up so blind?

          But without incitement why would anyone believe Brandon Smith? What special skills and experiences does Brandon bring to the party?

          “Brandon Smith is the founder of the Alternative Market Project, an organization designed to help you find like-minded activists and preppers in your local area so that you can network and construct communities for barter and mutual aid.”

      • deerinwater

        Brandon Smith says:

        @David

        I think the real question here is, why did Deer and Galt take my article so personally”

        I agree Brandon! ~The answer ~ I didn’t take it personally ! ~ I saw little in your article ~ that would interest or enlighten a mature person. It was must like reading a children book for developing minds, a teaching aid for clear thinking.

        Brandon I’m a war vet ~ that’s toted around 30 years of survivors remorse, I should be dead with my buddies ~ not even be here!

        What make you think for one minute that your puppy a$$ has something to tell me about government? ~~ What is it about you ~ that you can offer me wisdom to the way of government and how it can fail it’s people? ~

        While Horton is little concern to me ~ I didn’t like the argument that you directed his way ~ ~ It was just more simpleton stupid like your immature article and you dove deep into psychobabble.

        I offered Horton encouragement ~ with his banter as I was perfectly content to ignore your article . ~ ~ We are not talking about your article now ~ You have been talking about me , Galt and Horton.

        Horton, ~ likes to shock old whitty ~ with a left hand lead off that goes to the right

        And Galt, ~ I hardly know. ~ we’ve hardly spoke 10 words to each other in over a years time ~ while sometimes ~ I really enjoy his banter ~ Galt and dish it out, Galt came take it.

      • http://gravatar.com/plfprime GALT

        There is nothing more illustrative of “willfully ignorant, functional illiteracy” than to observe two of them in conversational agreement about that which they have failed to comprehend, and applauding themselves on their complete lack of any ability to employ logically reasoned intellect.

        Brandon ( alinsky like ) Smith says:February 6, 2013 at 9:51 pm
        @David
        True, David. I did not specify Democrats in my article because I don’t buy into the false left/right paradigm. There are sheep on both sides of the aisle. Trolls like to pigeonhole people into one political camp or the other because it makes them easier to attack. They can simply call me “GOP” (even though I’m not) and then apply whatever superficial stereotypes they like.

        The only “pigeonhole” YOU, Mr. Brandon ( alinsky like ) Smith have been placed in by ME…….is that you are a “willfully ignorant, functional illiterate”……….no other classification is required and all the evidence that this classification is ACCURATE is provided by YOU.

        Do you comprehend THIS? ( that was a yes or no question.)

        What’s funny is, I have been pointing out the corruption of the GOP since the Bush years. I even wrote an article after the election called “The GOP Is Dying Because The Liberty Movement Is Thriving”.

        Thank you my savior “Brandon ( alinsky like ) Smith” our crops are saved……..you are such a “fearless” defender of freedom…….your COURAGE is an example to us all……..we don’t deserve you and your “self sacrificing and risk taking” on behalf of “freedom loving” Americans everywhere and of course where would we possibly be without your tireless efforts as a member of the “liberty” movement.

        Indeed, what would Personal Liberty Digest DO without your VALUABLE contributions in identifying “sheeple” as the “cause of all the corruption” in government and the KNOWLEDGE that YOU are not one?

        And lest we FORGET, MR. Brandon ( alinsky like ) Smiths other revelation regarding the “elites” and how they TOO are part of the problem…….if it were not for his astute grasp of “reality”, how would you SHEEPLE ever KNOW THIS?

        I guess we would just have to suffer in ignorance here, for the lack of this INFORMATION, because without Mr. Brandom ( alinsky like ) Smith, we would have to suffer with, Bob Livingston, the intrepid and impeccable staph writer Sam Rolley, W.A.R. , Ben Crystal, Myers, Woods, and others………..not to mention the Limbaugh’s, Beck’s, Rand’s, Jone’s, Napolitano’s and their “ilk”……..

        Meanwhile in the REAL WORLD, this single book…… Black 9/11, Money, Motive and Technology, by Mark H. Gaffney, recently published provides “actual information” about “actual crimes” and the “actual people” involved in them, and the cover up…….and the “elites” who brought this about……all the way back to the mid thirties……..

        This “information” in this single volume of 275 pages, will be MORE enlightening than anything Mr. Brandon ( alinisky like ) Smith will EVER produce……….and the “sheeple” which includes Mr. Brandon ( alinsky like ) Smith are powerless to DO anything about it…….so while it is so nice to KNOW that the “sheeple” are to blame…….his solution, is to hide in Montana, with other “sheeple” until they come for him…..which makes it easier to do…….because they KNOW where this group of “sheeple” will be………and who the head of the free “sheeple” is…….even though they are “liberty loving” and “free speech” is NOT ALLOWED on the “free sheeple” website…….things will be DIFFERENT there…….in the “free sheeple republic” ( not democracy ) which sort of suggests that some “sheeple” will be MORE EQUAL than other’s, which sounds vaguely familiar to me…………can’t put my finger on it though, Brandon? David of the one of many letters? Anyone?

        I am perfectly willing to point out the crimes of the GOP, but Galt and his ilk

        GALT, Mr. Brandon ( alinsky like ) Smith, doesn’t have an “ilk”….. and has provided YOU the “sheeple” with this:

        http://www.supremelaw.org/authors/freeman/freeman4.htm

        which will TEACH you, what happened to the “constitution” you keep “talking” about ( in ignorance ), how to reclaim your rights which you have voluntarily given up ( in willfull ignorance ) and how to actually stop being a “sheeple”……because you will no longer be “subject” to the “JURISDICTION”, which can and will prosecute YOU, for:

        Using the word Corporation, Corp, Inc. , LTD without actually being one…….ignorance of the law being no excuse…..and “willfull ignorance of the law”……..being extremely STUPID.

        Attempting to avoid “taxation” by failing to report “transactions thru barter” as “required by law” because you are still SUBJECT to that “jurisdiction”, and you have been shown the “evidence” and have STILL failed to acknowledge it and admit that you were WRONG, which will subject YOU and anyone who follows you ( in ignorance ) to civil ( penalties and interest ) and possible criminal penalties.

        And by being “extremely stupid” as a “sheeple” who is “supposedly concerned” about the “criminal activities of government” leading other “sheeple” to a “central website”, posting “little dots” all over a map of the U.S. egotistically proud of this…….thereby giving the “criminal government” directions to everyone “involved” setting yourself and everyone else up, to be “stung” by the “criminal government”…….as if they are not “capable” of hacking you and doing it……because all it will take is one “ambitous” IRS agent and/or anyone else that starts taking you “seriously” and believes you represent a signicant “revenue stream”…….or a convenient example at “tax time”……..

        By all means, Mr. Brandon ( alinsky like ) Smith, ignore ME and believe that I am your enemy…….and keep leading your “sheeple” to the “promised land”……..

        still can’t admit to the crimes of Obama and the Dems. People like them lack honesty or principle, which is why they refuse to answer my questions.

        Absolutely, that has GOT to be the “reason”……

        Galt, Chris, and Deer won’t answer because they want to avoid clarifying their position.

        Yup, that is why….gotta be……

        If they do that, it weakens their ability to troll effectively because it prevents them from changing gears abruptly or changing their stance to divert attention.

        Of course it is……..we just can’t handle the “fact” that the “government” is engaged in “criminal activity” and your “importance” in pointing this out……..

        If they were in honest opposition to my stance, then they would lay down a clear and concise argument.

        Clearly, how could anyone possibly “defeat” such “wisdom”?

        (For instance, what is so difficult about stating whether you are for or against Obama’s Assassination programs against U.S. citizens?).

        Can freedom from sheepleness be accomplished by such an answer to THAT question……be still, my heart…..

        Instead, they try to make the debate about ME personally, rather than the points or evidence I present. I actually enjoy the fact that they are so obsessed with attacking my work. It tells me I’m on the right track with my articles. As they say, you catch the most flak when you are directly over the target.

        Yup, I don’t know what the “country” would do without you Brandon……you have provided a whole map full of targets…..and the “very special one” in Montana……..you are MY HERO!

        David M. says: February 6, 2013 at 10:08 pm
        Brandon, thanks for being straightforward. Chris Horton’s posts are all over the place, and as you said, Galt and Deer keep trying to make the argument about you rather than the subjects you presented. I was actually really curious to see what Galt and Deer’s responses would be to your questions. It would have made for a lively talk.

        Yup, another day of “mindless lively rhetoric” of the “willfully ignorant” leading the “willfully ignorant”……….”full of sound and fury, signifying NOTHING!!!!”

        You made a very good point, and these guys ignored it.

        Actually I did NOT ignore, this inciteful meaningless rhetoric….I am “exposing” it for what it is……….”pointless”. Unfortunately, it is difficult to convince the “willfully ignorant, functional illiterates” that they ARE “willfully ignorant, function illiterates”…….

        Horton said in the very beginning that he thinks all people should be law abiding and that following the government does not make them sheeple, but what if the government is criminal?

        NO? Say it ain’t so? The government “might be a criminal”? My god. what can we do…….how would we ever know this is not for Brandon…. of course you could, David of the many letters, click on the link here and “discover” how the “government” is operating and what YOU can do to actually “free yourself”……and stop being a sheeple victim……

        Should we be law abiding then?

        Yeah, being “willfully ignorant” of what the “law is” would tend to make that a conundrum and agonizing over it………for years…….what to do….what to do…….( link available, click on it )

        What if the law goes against our morals?

        Oh no, not that!!!!!! ( weeping and gnashing of teeth )

        I would have loved to have seen an answer from your critics, but they refused. The more I read their posts, the more I was disappointed.

        Damn, don’t you just HATE it when that happens?

        Maybe you can become one of brandon’s dots and fight back…..of course, David of the many letters, I am a bit curious as why YOU are not curious……regarding people like the Limbaugh’s and Beck’s of the world who make “millions” of dollars, selling themselves and their audience things……and none of this money is devoted to actually exposing and “prosecuting” these “government criminals”……..

        Or why the members of the TEA PARTY who are in “government” seem to be “powerless” to do it, either……?

        Oh wait, I forgot……you’re not sure if there ARE “criminals in government”………Brandon……..you need to set this guy straight….. apparently after all the mindless rhetoric of your article about sheeple and those “probing questions” that GALT and his “ilk” have failed to answer…….he is still confused and unsure about this……and worse he is “morally agonizing” about what to do…….Damn, I feel terrible…..if only I had answered you…….David, of the many letters, would be free of both his sheepleness and suffering……..

        “To conquer, first DIVIDE!” ( and the HANG, separately ) one “willfully ignorant, functinal illiterate” after another.

        P.S. In addition to the other books you have been directed to by me, PLEASE DO NOT READ THIS ONE EITHER……

        “Kill Anything That MOVES; The Real American War in Vietnam; Nick Turse

        IGNORANCE is STRENGTH

      • Brandon Smith

        @Galt

        There is a lost of desperation in your posts, Galt. It’s kind of sad really, that you spend all day and all night on this website yet all your disinformation efforts are wasted, unless, of course, you are being paid for your “services”. In that case, I guess you are at least getting a paycheck out of the deal.

        I’m not sure why you keep reverting to ad hominem attacks. Obviously, they are having no effect. Perhaps you should branch out from your Alinsky training into other methods…? It’s also funny how David brings up some very valuable points and you feel the need to attack him too, instead of addressing him like a mature adult. Why are you so afraid to admit you have no real argument to make? All you’ve done so far is attack me personally. It’s getting tired. Entertain me with some real debate points at least…

        Again, you haven’t answered any of my questions because you are afraid to clarify your position. As David pointed out, you have lost. Your games of distraction are pointless. You posts are cluttered with them. Until you answer my simple questions clearly and concisely without using Ad Hominem attacks, Red Herrings, Strawmen, etc., no one is going to take you seriously.

      • Brandon Smith

        @Deer

        Okay, so you don’t like my articles. Opinion noted. However, if my work is so meaningless, why do you read it? If there is no substance to it, then why bother commenting incessantly like a child that you don’t like it? Isn’t it a waste of time? If there is nothing to it, then why not let the people here decide for themselves instead of clamoring to convince them? Why not point out some specifics of what you don’t like about it instead of using broad and meaningless statements like:

        “I saw little in your article ~ that would interest or enlighten a mature person…”

        Do you see what an empty statement that is? Really, who cares what you think “interests or enlightens” people? Try using concrete arguments next time.

        As far as your veteran’s status, I have no way of verifying it, plus, its irrelevant. I work with all kinds of very intelligent military men and women, but there plenty of idiot veterans out there as well. If you don’t like someone of my age bracket writing about government, then don’t read my work. Your tender ego and feelings will be protected, and the problem will be solved. I suspect though that this is more about one-upmanship on your part, rather than a sincere disagreement. If that is the case, then let’s have this discussion in person and sort it out. I live in Kalispell, MT. Name the time and the place.

        • Deerinwater

          Brandon Smith says; “Okay, so you don’t like my articles. Opinion noted. However, if my work is so meaningless”

          I never said that Brandon, ~ I am telling you this particular article does not tell me one thing that I don’t already know nor does it show us a way out of this madness.

          Your audience “thinks” your are addressing opposition, while opposition “thinks” that you are addressing Rank and File! While the sheep still sleep.

          If you could have delivered it in some Hells Fire and Brimstone manners and directed the focus to those that need it most ~ You could have had a “game changing ” paper. ~ But you didn’t. So it is what it is. ~ an art form, the beauty is to the beholder ~

          But listen to me here Brandon ~ if you light one candle, it’s worth your efforts ~but there no need for you to waste your attention on me. ~ I know better the you do about what you are attempting to bring to peoples attention. ~ The systematic financing and spreading of pure Bull $hit by special interest that does not support or serve American values at it’s deepest level but serves their greed.

          I’ve always wanted to see Montana, ~ but I’m a southern man ~ I hate cold ~ You come to Texas and I’ll show you around, ~ I’ll put back up my vanity wall especially for your amusement that I boxed away years ago ~ finding it not the man I am today but the man I once was.

          Life moves on, ~ wise is the man that moves with it ~ I like it! I love it! I want some more of it!

          Vanity is a foolish investment.

          You waste your time with me ~ This matter is concluded ~ Like my advise to Horton, please, let us move on.

          Myself, ~ I’ve only maybe 20 years left ~ just how much of that 20 years do you want as I’m getting rather thrifty with it.

      • http://gravatar.com/plfprime GALT

        You got it Brandon ( alinsky like) Smith……..I’m desperate and spend all day and night here…..

        It would be nice if you knew what an “ad hominem” attack was…..but as a
        “willfully ignorant, functional illiterate”…how could you possibly……but you are
        in LUCK……..

        Before we begin this little journey DavidH., I wanted to inform you that Gary S. took “issue” with some of your comments regarding abortion, and that I took the liberty of responding to it in a logically reasoned and intelligent manner. In doing so, I removed any reference to you, for OBVIOUS reasons……..

        DaveH says: January 15, 2013 at 4:13 pm

        Galt says — “What part of whatever it is you mean by “free markets” was not in play in 1929 or 2007?”.

        Surely you kid, Galt? And you’re the one who constantly calls me “functionally illiterate”?

        I never kid, DavidH, unless I’m kidding, and I never “kid” where YOU are concerned as I’m about to demonstrate…AGAIN!

        Those who want the answers to Galt’s ignorance, need to read this:

        ( link omitted for the purposes of avoiding moderation restrictions (multiple) and because it it is irrelevant! ( non sequitur )

        Government was anything but inactive in the Marketplaces throughout the 20s and especially in the 30s.

        Since the years cited were specific, and in reference to “free markets” this would seem to indicate that you are illiterate? You are, of course, free to argue the EVIDENCE! ( bulldog GALT )

        Galt would know that if he spent any time at all reading books that weren’t written by Court Economists or outright Communists.

        Non sequitur: The only book that I have read and would endorse as being a factual representation of my position is “Economics Unmasked”, which demonstrates that the entire subject as invalid. If you have proof to the contrary, by all means, please present your evidence.

        With regard to the specific years cited here and their reference to free markets the following points would need to be addressed by you and/or addressed by the link you have cited.

        When you say “free markets” you mean “unregulated”, yes or no? If no, what does “free markets” mean?

        For the specific years cited, which of the following constituted or corresponded to your or “von mises” definition of “free market”?

        1.) The Federal Reserve 2.) Banks 3. ) Wall Street ( your mission if you decide to accept it ) Answer: Yes or No for each, and explain your answer.

        My position, again: The only unregulated free market element exists with regard to Wall St. For 1929, it is the leverage of 90% available through “margins”! For 2007, it is the leverage provided by ‘derivatives’ applied to a sub prime mortgage market, of 1.5 trillion or the entire mortgage market, since these involved “tranches”. ( as in tens of trillions )

        If you or your link have anything to dispute MY POSITION, you are free to post it. I haven’t seen it yet and I do not expect to, but surprise me. ( your description by me as being a ” willfully ignorant, functional illiterate” would appear to be intact at this point, NO? (rhetorical)

        DaveH says:January 15, 2013 at 4:15 pm

        Here is Galt’s idea of Free Markets:

        Link deleted: non sequitur, et al

        It’s no wonder that somebody with [comment has been edited] would embrace Socialism.

        DavidH, am I the author of that link? Endorser?. ( your description by me as being a ” willfully ignorant, functional illiterate” would appear to be intact at this point, NO? (rhetorical)

        JC says: January 15, 2013 at 4:25 pm
        DaveH…have you noticed that Non Obsene free speech is being edited on this thread?

        My that is a curious developement, JC is it not? I mean you did have “such freedom” before, no? To tell you the TRUTH, I am shocked that such a thing could occur here? SHOCKED!!!!!! But never fear, because “I HAVE A PLAN”!!!!!!!! sssshhhhhhh.

        Simply list all those things that have been deleted. Just the specific phrases. Then explain how they were crucial to your contribution, in that ” because they were deleted” they altered or diminished the importance of what you had to say. Mr Livingston is no stranger to the importance of ” intelligent logical reasoning” or its rules…….and I am sure that if you can present your case in a manner that demonstrates that he is in “error” in this regard, he will correct his error.

        Do you have such a case? Best get to it then……I got your back, bro….in case you haven’t figured this out yet…..I AM FEARLESS!!!!

        DaveH says: January 15, 2013 at 6:44 pm
        Yes I have, JC, and it’s rather irritating given that I can’t even treat the Liberal Progressives as disrespectfully as they treat me. Also it gives the impression to unaware readers that I am being nastier than I am.

        DavidH, in the realm of “logically reasoned intelligent” argument, how would your ability to engage in “disrespectful behavior” add or detract from the “logically reasoned intelligent argument” you were making? Why would someone who was capable of “presenting” such an argument, resort to “disrespectful comments”? or need to? or complain that they weren’t being allowed to? ( rhetorical, several times )

        Could it be that such a person was a “willfully ignorant, functional illiterate” and was not capable of ever producing an “intelligenty reasoned logical argument? ( extremely rhetorical )

        DaveH says: January 15, 2013 at 6:48 pm

        Imagine that. A site that supposedly promotes Liberty but edits out benign comments that are certainly not as nasty as comments like this from Galt:

        “Of course the main myth is that “minds” are actually capable of “intelligent reasoning”, which unfortunately has no empirical evidence to support it”.

        I am sorry DavidH but how is that nasty? Are you offering yourself as evidence that it is false? ( unbelievably rhetorical ) Brandon Smith? Sorry Brandon but you have also earned the “willfully ignorant, fuctionally illerate” designation.

        For your edification and enlightenment we shall now proceed to define what that means:

        Willful ignorance is the state and practice of ignoring any sensory input that appears to contradict one’s inner model of reality. At heart, it is almost certainly driven by confirmation bias.

        It differs from the standard definition of “ignorance“ — which just means that one is unaware of something — in that willfully ignorant people are fully aware of facts, resources and sources, but refuse to acknowledge them. Indeed, calling someone “ignorant” shouldn’t really be a pejorative, but intentional and willful ignorance is an entirely different matter. In practice though, the word “ignorance” has often come to mean “willfull ignorance”, and indeed, in many non-English languages, the word based on the same stem actually mean “willfull ignorance”.

        Depending on the nature and strength of an individual’s pre-existing beliefs, willful ignorance can manifest itself in different ways. The practice can entail completely disregarding established facts, evidence and/or reasonable opinions if they fail to meet one’s expectations. Often excuses will be made, stating that the source is unreliable, that the experiment was flawed or the opinion is too biased. More often than not this is simple circular reasoning; “I cannot agree with that source because it is untrustworthy because it disagrees with me”.

        In other cases, slightly more extreme cases, willful ignorance can involve outright refusal to read, hear or study in any way anything that does not conform to the person’s worldview. With regard to oneself, this can even extend to fake locked-in syndrome with complete unresponsiveness. Or with regard to others, to outright censorship of the material from others.

        and next:Functional Illiteracy

        Hidden Illiteracy: The Ignorance of Ignorance

        Twentieth-century philosopher Alfred North Whitehead once said, “Not ignorance, but the ignorance of ignorance is the death of knowledge.”

        There is a type of illiteracy that threatens us all. It is not the illiteracy where a person is unable to read. It is, perhaps, the most dangerous and destructive of all the illiteracies.

        We’ve heard the terms illiterates, semi-illiterates and functional illiterates, and we have a good understanding and awareness of the problems associated with these types of illiteracy. If you have observed illiterate and functionally illiterate individuals, you are aware of the frustration, upset and disappointment caused by their lack of literacy. These individuals are painfully aware of their problem.

        There is, however, another type of illiterate—one who can be very dangerous and destructive because of his or her type of illiteracy—the hidden illiterate.

        There is, however, another type of illiterate—one who can be very dangerous and destructive because of his or her type of illiteracy—the hidden illiterate.

        Hidden illiterates are ignorant of their own illiteracy. Their illiteracy is hidden from themselves. And, because it has never been identified, it is hidden from others as well. Hidden illiterates are ignorant of their ignorance; they do not know that they do not know. They do not fully comprehend the information and ideas being received, studied, or applied and are not aware they do not understand. Their actions, feelings and beliefs are founded on their unknown wrong suppositions, ideas and understandings. The problems and results of being a hidden illiterate can range from humorous to disastrous.

        In fact, what we are talking about here is the phenomenon of the misunderstood word, something which American author and educator L. Ron Hubbard discovered is the cause of much social and personal difficulty.

        “What has not been studied previously or known,” wrote Mr. Hubbard in 1980, “is that the flow of ideas in any message or field of learning can be blocked in such a way as to suppress further understanding or comprehension from that point on. Further, the misunderstood word can even act in such a way as to bring about ignorance, apathy and even revolt. And it will definitely depress productivity.”

        http://www.appliedscholastics.org/education-issues/hidden-illiteracy-the-ignorance-of-ignorance.html

        and now this word from our sponser, especially for Mr. Livingston…..

        “The Master said….If names are not correct, language is not in accordance with the truth of things. If language is not in accordance with the truth of things, affairs cannot be carried on to success……..Therefor a superior man considers it necessary that the names he uses may be spoken appropriately. What the superior man requires, is just that in his words, there may be nothing incorrect.”

        “The Master said,…..Without knowing the force of words, it is impossible to know men.”

        Confucious 551 -479 B.C.

        http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_hominem

        that took all of 30 seconds……..you beginning to catch on yet……everything
        is on file……and growing…….takes no time at all…….until next time….

      • http://gravatar.com/plfprime GALT

        You are kidding right??????? You can’t protect the “idiots” from themselves….Bob

        I thought we settled this?

        The boy is an idiot, he won’t back off, he won’t back down, and if he keeps going
        the way he is going…….he is going to get himself and others in trouble…..because
        he is WRONG…….and a waste of time.

        If he can’t handle this…….he should just post his crap and be quiet……they can
        go to his site…….which is CENSORED….and he can prevent “anyone” who
        exposes him or opposes him from speaking……

        If you are his “friend” you will tell him this……he’s already got the SPLC on his back….
        and he is becoming involved in political races…….minor ones……and there are a lot
        of the “new money pacs” already involved up there……

        and again, I have violated none of your rules and I am not a troll or being paid

        you got something you need to know….email me directly.

      • http://gravatar.com/plfprime GALT

        Sorry Bob, my apologies, I didn’t see the double link.

        And I guess you will just have to wait till it clears moderation…..Brandon.

        Sorry you have such a fragile ego, and the “only target” you are “over”, is
        the one you have painted on yourself…….you ought to pay attention to deer,
        because you know nothing about war or much of anything else…..in fact you
        are too stupid to know how stupid you really are…….the last time I saw an
        attention seeking childe…..was when World Net Daily had this 12 year olde
        kid, writing for them……

        What’s even stupider than the size of your ego, is the fact that you are
        “armed”……and will be assumed dangerous……which means
        “if you get what you wish for” or what you need to “be right” and say
        “I told you so”……..your “war” will be very quick…….kinda like the
        “childrens crusade”…………you might get a “foot note” and maybe
        some one will make a bad movie…..of course if things “collapse”
        which is what you really need……no one will hear from you again, and
        you may still get your war…..but no one will know. ( and you will still be dead )

        This doesn’t get any better for you….and you didn’t win, keep writing
        this garbage and you will see me again………you are so weak and unskilled,
        that you will create a feeding frenzy…….because everyone that challenged
        you here……beat you…..hell you couldn’t even take out Mr. Horton, and
        there were others you didn’t respond to……..for me, you are completely
        ridiculous……..Ole Deer was being nice……which is why I like him,
        because he has compassion for other people……and what you got
        in the “liberty movement” is a bunch of self centered “idiots” who are
        hanging on to what little they have left, talk a lot about shooting people,
        and couldn’t manage a logical fact based argument if their lives depended
        on it……..and they will support you…..by doing all the stuff your articles
        say you shouldn’t do……but which is all they and you actually do….when
        you attempt to respond. ( I have a plan for that too…… )

        So here is what you should do…….you should just get all your “claimed”
        alinsky-like, ad hominem, fallacy stuff…..and compose a standard
        disclaimer…..I mean as a “willfully ignorant, functional illiterate” it’s really
        a shame to have to say the same “non-reponsive” stuff a different way
        every time……..oh and be sure to have a “separate list” of deep, phillisophical,
        irrelevant questions, which have nothing to do with your “article” so you
        can change the “subject”…….so that you can accuse them of “failing to
        respond”….if they don’t……..and “label” them if they do……which you do
        anyway regardless……because that’s what the “liberty movement” does…
        and YOU are all so IGNORANT of HISTORY, you have know idea that this is
        how those “plutocratic elites” have been manipulating you all along…..victim
        against victim……..”sheeple against sheeple”……

        As I said, you are hilarious….and I can slip in some real information,
        books with real information and many someone will be smart
        enough to follow up….and save themselves…….or at least figure out
        who the “elites” are and plan accordingly…….until next time.

        BTW Brandon I have a file of all the questions you have tried to answer
        but couldn’t, all the one’s you haven’t, as well as the “evidence” and
        information you are ignoring……you are of no consequence and
        require no effort…….and what effort is used……pays continuing dividends,
        all provided by YOU……..was this good for YOU?

        “To conquer, first DIVIDE!” ( pit one “willfully ignorant, functionally illiterate”
        sheeple against another, until the problem self corrects, and them dispose
        of the bodies. )

      • Brandon Smith

        @Deer

        The problem is that you assumed I was addressing a group of people with my article, when I was in fact addressing a behavior. Who YOU believe the article should be directed at is, of course, your personal view. The point is, any group is capable of sheeple behavior. Any individual is capable of ignoring the obvious truth of a particular situation. I was pointing out the danger of the behavior. Making accusations against specific groups was not the purpose of the article. If you believe a better article can be written on the subject, then by all means, write it. I would be happy to be shown how it is done…

        • Deerinwater

          With all respect, ~ a writer is always attempting to appeal to his/her audience or they are not a strong writer of composition.

          In any case, ~ after Jeff suggesting that I back out of the conversation between you and Horton after your rebuttal that he had no point, where I concluded that neither you or Horton had much of a point and here we at.

          While I tire of Horton and his featured blackness, ~ I tire of his Cap Lock, ~ he is here no less. ~ to be ignored or acknowledged.

          If you are looking for all prospective’s, he’s got one.

      • Brandon Smith

        @Galt

        *YAWN* More Ad hominem attacks. Can’t you at least try to be more imaginative?

        Also, just to set the record straight on your rather limited analysis of barter and the IRS, the IRS actually calls for PROFITS to be reported, and this usually pertains to profits through a Barter BUSINESS, not private person to person barter trade. How does one, for example, determine the profit margin on the trade of an apple for an orange? How does the IRS tax a zero profit gain scenario? Where is the paper trail? Where is the receipt? No law is being broken because no profit could ever be determined. Get it?

      • Brandon Smith

        @Galt

        Horton was dealt with the second he admitted that he thought slavery to be lawful and acceptable as long as the government and the majority viewed it as such. He lost all credibility from that point on.

        You were dealt with the second you refused to answer my very straightforward questions on Obama’s draconian policies and reverted to 2nd grade name calling antics and Alinsky misdirections. Like David M. said earlier, it just makes you look bad.

        As I stated before, it sure is hard to troll a website when someone knows your playbook, isn’t it?

      • Brandon Smith

        @Deer

        “With all respect, ~ a writer is always attempting to appeal to his/her audience or they are not a strong writer of composition….”

        That’s your opinion. Who do you think is my supposed intended audience? Did you stop and consider that my intended audience may be anyone and everyone?

        • Deerinwater

          No Brandon, It not my opinion ~ It’s the way persuasive creative writing is taught. Identify your audience and write to them. ~

          Like George Wallace use to say, ~ Keep your message down low enough so the goats can eat it.

          If you don’t know this by now, ~ this is your lucky day and you will be a more powerful wordsmith for your efforts.

      • http://gravatar.com/plfprime GALT

        Is Brandon tired?

        In the 20′s, the supreme court defined “income” as profit or gain…….( see Eisner v Macomber )

        if you receive “wages”, there is no profit or gain……..

        Most people pay income tax solely based on “wages”…..which are not income.

        Of course anything before 1938 doesn’t matter, and because of this, what
        YOU believe the constitution says or means is irrelevant…..

        Now you have the IRS policy on barter, dated from 2002…….what YOU think it means
        is irrelevant……if the IRS determines that there is a profit in trading and apple for and orange……then someone made a profit and owes a tax……it’s that simple.

        And you do have a “disclaimer” on your site, so if you are not responsible
        for it being there, thank whomever put it there……..but pay real careful
        attention to this…..everyone of your “little dots” represents a point of
        vulnerability to YOU………because if any one of them gets caught…….
        and you have actually said any of the things you claim to have said,
        regarding what the law is….or “not reporting” things……..and they say
        that they were following YOUR advice….you can be prosecuted criminally.

        If you doubt this, you might want to check out Irwin Schiff…..who wrote
        books on income tax and social security…..and the “criminals in
        government”…….he did a bit of time for “tax evasion”, but he is in
        jail NOW and he probably will never get out……..because a judge
        ordered him to stop selling his books…….and he ignored the judge.

        Now granted, most of your “dots” are simply that, dots…..ain’t much going on,
        I checked……..so you are probably okay……but Brandon, I do research…..
        and you are calling attention to yourself……..so take this as a friendly warning,
        unless you have really deep pockets……the “government” is capable of
        anything……..( which you claim to understand )……and the people that
        will come for you…..will be just following “orders”…….you see a job is a job,
        and most of the sheeple you refer to “have jobs” and want to
        keep them……..who they are working FOR is unimportant…….
        they are working, they are “productive” and they are paying taxes….
        and anyone who is NOT is a parasite……..( even though the jobs aren’t
        there and the ones that are don’t pay enough )

        What you are attempting to do……….especially the “haven “aspect, doesn’t
        really make any sense to most of the “sheeple” you refer to……and there are
        many “barter” sites out there……most of them are crap, so while it sounds
        interesting, it’s more of a pain than anything else……

        Which brings us to your “rhetoric”……which is designed to draw
        attention to “your” project……….and potential side income from the ads
        on your site……just like this one. Unfortunately, for you, you really don’t
        know much about anything…….and you are not capable of logical thought,
        even though you cite logical fallacies in your rhetoric……and most of
        the people you are writing for are equally ignorant, of the facts, history,
        science, economics, etc…….so you are preaching to the choir……..but
        it is still “pointless rhetoric”…….

        As for your debate with Horton about slavery……that was a meaning less
        exchange and a stupid question.

        1.) Slavery was legal until 1865
        2.) The early forms of government here, were designed to accomodate
        it…….it is central to “states rights”, the Articles of Confederation,
        The Constitution and the 2nd ammendment, but in 1787 is was dying out,
        because it was unprofitable…….which explains the 1808 restriction and the
        20 year insertion.
        3.) In 1793, Eli Whitney invented the cotton gin, and this made “cotton” king
        because now slavery became extremely profitable.
        4. ) This determined the history of the “republic” for the first sixty plus years.
        5.) But the “majority” of people were not slave holders, not even in the south.
        6.) The first “nullification” attempts were about slavery.
        7.) If the south had not seceded, and it was a foolish move, made by
        the extreme minority………the chances that a constitutional ammendment
        could have succeeded…….was an impossibility……..in fact, in the states
        that slavery existed……..if they continued to support it…….you could not pass an amendment TODAY…….since you would need 53 states, to achieve the 3/4
        required for ratification. ( the two relevant sources for the FACTS here
        have already been cited. )

        So it was not a majority that kept slavery in place, but a minority,
        made possible by the “rules of your republic”……..and it was also
        responsible for this little ditty

        “A rich man’s war, a poor man’s fight!”

        So as you can see, a stupid question, with no relevance to anything
        historical……..and no point……BTW if there is an consistency to your
        understanding of “history”………and meaning……..regarding the “republic”
        you should not be looking to the “federalist papers” for understanding.

        The “founders” were masters of rhetoric………after all, there wasn’t
        much else to learn back then………but as explained to you, rhetoric
        without logic is pointless…….as also explained, we are not designed to
        be “logical creatures”……( not that you understood why….you were defending
        your pointless rhetoric about jungian archtypes…. )

        Anyway, so this will not be a total loss….you might find this of interest.
        ( I won’t hold my breath )

        26 C.F.R. § 31.3402(p)-1 Voluntary withholding agreements.
        Title 26 – Internal Revenue

        Title 26: Internal Revenue
        PART 31—EMPLOYMENT TAXES AND COLLECTION OF INCOME TAX AT SOURCE
        Subpart E—Collection of Income Tax at Source

        § 31.3402(p)-1 Voluntary withholding agreements.

        (a) In general. An employee and his employer may enter into an agreement under section 3402(b) to provide for the withholding of income tax upon payments of amounts described in paragraph (b)(1) of §31.3401(a)–3, made after December 31, 1970. An agreement may be entered into under this section only with respect to amounts which are includible in the gross income of the employee under section 61, and must be applicable to all such amounts paid by the employer to the employee. The amount to be withheld pursuant to an agreement under section 3402(p) shall be determined under the rules contained in section 3402 and the regulations thereunder. See §31.3405(c)–1, Q&A–3 concerning agreements to have more than 20-percent Federal income tax withheld from eligible rollover distributions within the meaning of section 402.
        (b) Form and duration of agreement. (1)(i) Except as provided in subdivision (ii) of this subparagraph, an employee who desires to enter into an agreement under section 3402(p) shall furnish his employer with Form W–4 (withholding exemption certificate) executed in accordance with the provisions of section 3402(f) and the regulations thereunder. The furnishing of such Form W–4 shall constitute a request for withholding.
        (ii) In the case of an employee who desires to enter into an agreement under section 3402(p) with his employer, if the employee performs services (in addition to those to be the subject of the agreement) the remuneration for which is subject to mandatory income tax withholding by such employer, or if the employee wishes to specify that the agreement terminate on a specific date, the employee shall furnish the employer with a request for withholding which shall be signed by the employee, and shall contain—
        (a) The name, address, and social security number of the employee making the request,
        (b) The name and address of the employer,
        (c) A statement that the employee desires withholding of Federal income tax, and applicable, of qualified State individual income tax (see paragraph (d)(3)(i) of §301.6361–1 of this chapter (Regulations on Procedures and Administration)), and
        (d) If the employee desires that the agreement terminate on a specific date, the date of termination of the agreement.
        If accepted by the employer as provided in subdivision (iii) of this subparagraph, the request shall be attached to, and constitute part of, the employee’s Form W–4. An employee who furnishes his employer a request for withholding under this subdivision shall also furnish such employer with Form W–4 if such employee does not already have a Form W–4 in effect with such employer.
        (iii) No request for withholding under section 3402(p) shall be effective as an agreement between an employer and an employee until the employer accepts the request by commencing to withhold from the amounts with respect to which the request was made.
        (2) An agreement under section 3402 (p) shall be effective for such period as the employer and employee mutually agree upon. However, either the employer or the employee may terminate the agreement prior to the end of such period by furnishing a signed written notice to the other. Unless the employer and employee agree to an earlier termination date, the notice shall be effective with respect to the first payment of an amount in respect of which the agreement is in effect which is made on or after the first “status determination date” (January 1, May 1, July 1, and October 1 of each year) that occurs at least 30 days after the date on which the notice is furnished. If the employee executes a new Form W–4, the request upon which an agreement under section 3402 (p) is based shall be attached to, and constitute a part of, such new Form W–4.

        (86 Stat. 944, 26 U.S.C. 6364; 68A Stat. 917, 26 U.S.C. 7805)
        [T.D. 7096, 36 FR 5216, Mar. 18, 1971, as amended by T.D. 7577, 43 FR 59359, Dec. 20, 1978; T.D. 8619, 60 FR 49215, Sept. 22, 1995]

        FYI……this is what is known as an “implimenting” regulation…….statutes that
        do not have them……..are NOT enforceable…….although the nature or
        the “jurisdiction” that YOU ARE SUBJECT to, requires that you know
        this………….you will not find such a “regulation” for the statute, regarding
        the so called health care mandate………. and you can see……there is
        no requirement to complete a w-4 to be employed, and since without
        this agreement in place, nothing is with held…….there is no requirement to
        file an income tax return…..( wages are not income ) nor is there any section
        of the ‘code’ that designates you as a person that would required to pay such
        a tax….. ( see link )

        Are you a “sheeple” Brandon? You look like one to me……and you sound
        like one too…..can one sheeple save another?

      • Brandon Smith

        @Galt

        That’s an interesting interpretation of IRS tax code concerning barter. Meaningless, but interesting. However, you still haven’t answered my question; how does the IRS determine the profit margin on a private trade where value is relative and there is no paper trail? How do they tax an “income” they cannot quantify?

        Also, show me ANY example of the IRS pursuing prosecution of someone for private barter trade between two people. I’ll wait…

        As far as the slavery issue is concerned, the law before emancipation is only part of the issue. I was asking Chris if he thought that law was morally ACCEPTABLE TO HIM, if a majority supported it. His response was essentially a “yes”. Therefore, he immediately lost all credibility. Anyone who is willing to forgo truth and principle, anyone who is willing to defend the harming of innocent people just because government condones it, or the mindless masses condone it, has little to contribute to any discussion.

        • macgyver1948

          Brandon… Normally I would let this comment of yours to Chris go because it does not include me but I wont be quiet when I hear someone, anyone, who would support slavery, be ok with it, I have to say something. The concept Chris is presenting – his answer, although it is his feeling and opinion, is more than apprehensible to anyone who values human life and liberty. What Chris here, and in other comments, says a lot about Chris and I wanted to add my 2 cents to this subject.

          Brandon, you and I many not agree a often politically but when I do agree I might want to say something then too.

      • Brandon Smith

        @Deer

        Who cares how “persuasive creative writing” is taught? As I stated in my article above, sheeple blindly adhere to what they have been “taught” rather than what they have set out to learn and create on their own. Your OPINION is that I should follow writing methods that are academically popular, or, you simply assumed that is what I was doing. I disagree, and in fact, I was not following what you claim to be the common method. Can you even admit when you are offering an opinion rather than a fact?

        • Deerinwater

          I copy and paste whole paragraphs ~ You answer are inside the paragraphs and I hated to break them but rather you privilege to context.

          Ethos, logos, and pathos in persuasive writing

          By appealing to credibility, writers can make their claims more believable. This is called an appeal to ethos, as defined by Aristotle. The writer builds on his or her ethos by writing with clarity (an important element of style) and eliminating contradictions within the text itself.

          The writer will be more credible to the “>>target audience<>Possibly the most important appeal for persuasive writers is the appeal to emotions or pathos.<>“A successful pathetic appeal will put the audience in a suitable mood by addressing “Their Knowledge of or Feelings” about the subject” (Mendelson). <<This can be a very effective way to win over an audience!

          Most persuasive writing techniques use an effective combination of all three appeals. It is the best way to convince people.

          http://www.readwritethink.org/professional-development/strategy-guides/persuasive-writing-30142.html

          ABOUT THIS STRATEGY GUIDE COMMENTS (2)

          Research Basis
          Strategy in Practice
          Related Resources
          This strategy guide focuses on persuasive writing and offers specific methods on how you can help your students use it to improve their critical writing and thinking skills.
          Research Basis

          Students often score poorly on persuasive writing assessments because they have no authentic AUDIENCE or purpose; thus their counterarguments and rebuttals are weak. However, if they see writing as personally meaningful and a useful way to express their needs and desires, they will want to improve their skills in writing style, content, spelling, and other mechanics.

          Research shows that young children are capable of anticipating their readers’ beliefs and expectations when writing for familiar readers to get something they want and when prompted to think about their audience’s perspective while writing.1 Teachers can also guide students to analyze examples of persuasive writing and understand the author’s purpose.

          Before writing a persuasive piece, students should understand how persuasion is used orally in everyday life by practicing making short, convincing speeches about something that’s important to them.2

          ~~~

          With persuasive writing, the goal is to try and convince people to agree with you. It is important to understand that persuasive writing relies heavily on facts- not opinions.

          ~~~
          As much as you enjoy Enjoy writing Mr. Smith, ~ I hope this proves useful to you.

          DW

      • http://gravatar.com/plfprime GALT

        The Coupe de Grace!

        Brandon ( alinsky like ) Smith says:
        February 8, 2013 at 6:52 am 52 hours after his original post.
        @Deer

        The problem is that you assumed I was addressing a group of people with my article, when I was in fact addressing a behavior.

        Clearly, Deer…..how could you have missed that OBVIOUS DISTINCTION? I am shocked…..SHOCKED I SAY……that you failed to recognize to the commonly accepted behavior he is referring to…which is now all the rage among psychiatric and psychological practitioners?

        Who YOU believe the article should be directed at is, of course, your personal view.

        I wonder why our “willfully ignorant, functionally illiterate” friend, didn’t employ THAT explanation in his first response to the first criticsm of this pointless piece of rhetoric??????? Let’s see if there are any clues or evidence which will help us SOLVE this rather belated and DESPERATE gear change………..after claiming victory, so many times against the varied criticisms he has been confronted with?

        The point is, any group is capable of sheeple behavior.

        Professionally this known as “sheeplenicity disorder” among the more “astute observers of behavior”………cleary outlined in the DSMV-V or revised DSMV-IV manuals.

        Any individual is capable of ignoring the obvious truth of a particular situation.

        As Mr. Brandon ( alinsky like ) Smith has been demonstrating repeatedly for 58 hours straight……..

        I was pointing out the danger of the behavior. Making accusations against specific groups was not the purpose of the article.

        Let’s test that, shall we?

        It is the greatest and most exploitable weakness of man: our willingness to sacrifice anything in order to avoid admitting we know nothing. This is the philosophical slum of the common “sheeple.” It is pathetic and ugly, and it is a rampant plague upon the world.

        Rhetorical inclusion? “we know nothing”…….All men are sheeple. Brandon is a man. Brandon is a sheeple. ……but wait, there’s more……..”slum of the common sheeple”……….another distinction, a.k.a. “common sheeplenicity disorder”……not to be confused with other varients, like say uncommon, simple, complex, advanced, and the extremely deluded sheeplenicity disorder?

        The time is coming (very soon, I believe) when the subpopulation of sheeple

        Rhetorical urgency and it would seem that the “we” of the previous rhetorical “inclusion”………is beginning to fracture……….and a “specific group” is emerging………so it would appear that, and I am taking great care to be precise here……those afflicted with the “common sheeplenicity disorder” are a subset of the population……..which suggests that some are not afflicted. I wonder who they could be?

        Now more than ever it is important for the liberty movement to understand and identify who these people are and what makes them tick. Time grows short, and it is easy for us to become mired in the haze of a glassy-eyed herd. Sheeple can be saved from themselves, but only if they can be made to recognize these particular behaviors as part and parcel of their own folly.

        It would seem, that we now have TWO DISTINCT GROUPS,the subpopulation of “sheeple”, and the “liberty movement” who will save them, from themselves. Since Mr. Brandon ( alinsky like ) Smith, is telling us this, he seems to be saying that both he and the specific group he is part of “the liberty movement” are not “sheeple”……..which means the rhetorical “we” no longer applies…….so his audience now must choose…….”to be a sheeple, or to not be a sheeple”…….? Will all the sheeple reading this raise your hands?

        Sheeple often state that they “just want to be left alone” and “don’t want to think about the troubles of the world,” yet nearly all of them at the same time want to feel as though they have an effect on the future.

        This might explain their overt hatred of individualists. When we in the liberty movement seek to unchain and decentralize the world, we indirectly cut the umbilical cord to them. They see our fight for freedom as a threat to their very lives. Sadly, their comfort is derived entirely from our enslavement.

        There is a significant gap between these paragraphs in Brandons rhetoric…………but these two are sufficient to compare to check for any logical consistency………..so the first problem should be fairly obvious..

        Are not the “troubles of the world” the “troubles of the WORLD”?

        How is the (again, rhetorical inclusive, we ) liberty movement, consistent with the idea of “individualist”?

        How does the “decentralization of the world” by “groups of individuals” fighting for freedom from enslavement by the rest of the world, solve the “troubles of the world”? and how is this different from “Sheeple often state that they “just want to be left alone” ? and does this not make them sheeple? Of course, if logically reasoned intellect is not a standard by which one holds oneself to meet, or expects their audience to possess or expect from them, mindless and meaningless rhetorical diatribe directed at the “choir” would work perfectly, would it not?

        As I stated before, it sure is hard to troll a website when someone knows your playbook, isn’t it?

        To a “willfully ignorant, fuctional illiterate” such desperation is to be expected………after all, you are no stranger to self contradiction as you can see……..but my criticism of your pointless rhetoric was that it was pointless rhetoric…….which is your “playbook”…….but wait, there’s more……..

        If you believe a better article can be written on the subject, then by all means, write it. I would be happy to be shown how it is done…

        The point was that “it was mindless, pointless, self contradictory, rhetoric” and NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN WRITTEN…….but it seems you can not comprehend this. But WAIT THERE”S MORE……..

        You were dealt with the second you refused to answer my very straightforward questions on Obama’s draconian policies

        So to follow the logic of this assertion……your rhetoric is not mindless, pointless or self contradictory, because I did not answer your questions……..which were not in the post containing the rhetoric and not the subject of my criticism? Do I have that correct?

        Let’s see if this works out………..

        Do you support Obama’s policy of indefinite detention and rendition outlined in the NDAA?
        Do you support Obama’s policy of rendition and assassination of American citizens without trial?
        Do you believe that it is acceptable for a government to pass any law, no matter how immoral, as long as they have “majority support” behind them?
        Would you support the dismantling of the 1st Amendment if the government claimed it was lawful and the “majority” supported it?
        Do you believe it is morally acceptable for a government to mistreat and abuse a subsection of a population just because they are in a “minority”? Like, for instance, the forced internment of Japanese Americans in concentration camps by FDR during WWII?

        No, it doesn’t appear that my answers to those questions changes the FACT that your article is: mindless, pointless, self contradictory, rhetoric………

        Sheeple are highly predictable, two-dimensional creatures. When confronted with their own failings, they will follow a pre-programmed list of responses meant to divert and confuse discussion.

        Well the “willfully ignorant, functional illiterate” has no other option than to attempt any number of “logically falacious distractions”……….but a preprogrammed list would indicate both deliberate attempt to deceive and intelligence………and neither are consistent with the “definition”, because if they were “intelligent” they would not engage in mindless, pointless, self contradictory, rhetoric in the first place…….nor would they keep doing it, in the face of the overwhelming evidence of their “condition”, where every response is further confirmation.

        When confronted by men who are willing to fight and die to interfere with the abuse of state authority, they respond with shock and revulsion. How could anyone possibly stand against the will of the mainstream and its government champions? How dare they defy the establishment?

        Where are those people? The one’s who are fighting and dying? How is the alt-market concept and the haven project an example of anything but…….a plagiarism of Ayn Rand, without the talent and resources………and how are they defying the “establishment”….who will miss them……..after all, there is no shortage of pointless, meaningless, self contradictory rthetoric here……..and what has it changed?

        We are NOT a democracy……..we do not write “the laws”, we elect people to do that…….so the recognition of “government criminality” is unaffected by the knowledge of it, and despite the claims, there is no shortage of sources for that knowledge, including the mainstream media………isolation and unreported barter transactions will not change this.

        On the other hand, there is knowledge that “individuals” can use to free themselves……….all of which has been provided to Mr. Brandon ….( alinsky like ) Smith, regarding the missing “common law and equity” courts, the fact that the jurisdiction he is subject to is admiralty/maritime….which requires a reservation of rights under UCC 1-207/308……and without the reservation in place, one has only the benefits, privileges and immunities the government grants, only for as long as it is willing to grant them?

        That 26 CFR 31.3402 (p) is a “voluntary” agreement between and employer and employee, and either or both can refuse to agree……

        That use of this knowledge IS DEFIANCE, does not require fighting and dying………and open ups access to the “constitution” that the “willfully ignorant, functional illiterates” talk about incessently but have no actual knowledge of………and that includes the entire non sheeple liberty movement…..who claim they are ready to die defending their pile of silver, gold and dried bean stash, as the “patriots” they believe themselves to be……..

        when all they really are, are “willfully ignorant, functional illiterates”…….engaging in mindless rhetoric and who know that if it wasn’t for those “sheeple”……..this would be “paradise”…….

        The end is NIGHER……….you “sheeple”….in fact it so nigh, it couldn’t be any nigher…..if it were tomorrow……and THAT’s ONLY A DAY AWAY!!!!!!!

        The point was that “it was mindless, pointless, self contradictory, rhetoric” and NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN WRITTEN…….but it seems you can not comprehend this, Mr. Brandon ( alinsky like ) Smith?

        P.S. Deer, even though his response was addressed to YOU, it was more appropriate for my purposes……..not that I have any expectation of admission……..or comprehension……on Mr. Smith’s part?

        • Deerinwater

          You did will with it Galt, ~ I enjoy playing doubles, it adds an element to the game.

          It would appear, Brandon perceived an attack from me, where there was none. I would have just as soon left this whole article alone. I was not defending Horton, but encouraging him, to see where he went with it. Maybe he had an angle, a perception I overlooked? ~ I held no strong opinions other then, “okay, ~so?” after reading it. The rest is history. ~

          Personally, I’ve found myself being what they are calling a “sheeple” many times and no stranger to how it happened and the disappointment that followed. I’ve been blued , screwed and tattooed by the best of them. A victim of my own actions , decisions, beliefs and desires.

          But here is where I differ from the rest, I don’t allow my ego to blind me from the truth. I take responsibility for the part that I played and do not attempt to defer it to someone else.

          Not until a person gains control over their “self-ego” will they ever hope to stop being someones “Sheeple”.

          Self-ego, is a monster, ~ a very predictable monster that enjoys being fed.

          As for Mr. Smith’s audience, we know who that is ~ those that come to PLD daily to get fed.

          My reason for being here has evolved some over the years while originally I came to understand the Tea Party, ~ and the best way to do that is observe what it’s feeding on.

          This Thread could be used as a valuable teaching aid of how, anyone can be incited into a behavior that does not serve their best interest and be made a “sheeple”.

          Where many here can “see it” that way, I seriously doubt it as ego in hard to cut off and on.

      • http://gravatar.com/plfprime GALT

        Yes, well Mr Horton can be trying….to be sure, but he does serve a purpose
        in that he can be tempting to the “mushrooms”…….it’s good practice for them,
        and him, although I can’t see any rapid gains being made.

        He did have the first post here today and a valid criticism…..how he got sidetracked
        into “slavery” and all the “other stuff” is beyond me…….but it was ultimately useful.

        David of the many letters is a bit of a puzzle, and JeffH should be totally silenced
        soon, at least with me anyway………..but the topics are boringly repetitive….and no
        one seems to learn anything……facts, evidence, rules of logic……forget about it.

        I wonder if any of these people have actually read a book in the last year?

        The following sums up the “absurdity” of Mr. Brandon ( alinsky like ) Smith!!!!!

        When one is surrounded by blatant absurdity and total loss of freedom, compassion and humanity, he needs a way to describe the horror, to shed light on the dark insanity of it, to remove the barriers of confusion and to build a clear path to reason. He needs to quantify the threat so that he can move beyond it and toward understanding.

        In our modern age, we are absolutely stricken with an epidemic of willful idiocy that bears no rational excuse. A century ago, such behavior in a culture could have been chocked up to a bottleneck in the flow of concrete information. But today, mankind has a veritable buffet of data at his fingertips at any given moment. Facts and truth can be found with a mere modicum of effort and a remedial passion for learning. We can plead “lack of access” no longer.

        Which doesn’t explain why then, is he a “willfully ignorant, functional illiterate”….but this might?

        We all have a choice: to be taught by others or to learn for ourselves.

        I wonder if he actually knows or can explain what that means?

        “Iz our children learning?”

        It is a question…..to be sure!

    • Karolyn

      Good points Chris.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Karolyn,” MA’AM – AS ALWAYS, THANKS FOR YOUR SUPPORT.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        As always, a good Totalitarian. Jeez. Why do you bother reading someone who types in all large care letters? He is a loud bully, and he along with anyone who agrees with him are ignorant sheeple. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. By the way, have you gathered enough courage or fellow sheeple, to try and disarm me yet?

      • S.C.Murf

        Big K good morning, hate to say this girl BUT as I read the article your name kept showing up in my thoughts. From most of your previous posts this article fits you to a tee. And as far as C.A.H. goes, the farther he goes away the better.

        up the hill
        airborne

      • Karolyn

        S.C – You are totally ignorant of who I really am.

      • JeffH

        K, you are wrong about that…you’ve been telling your life’s history here for quite a while…2 + 2 = 4

      • Kate8

        S.C.- LOL!!! I had the same person in mind while I was reading it.

        Karolyn should be the poster child for this article.

      • Karolyn

        Jeff – No, despite what you might think, you don’t really know anybody who posts here. Of course, you would never give note to anything I might say that agreed with any of your views. I do agree with some of what is written here and have voiced that opinion. And you would never note those opinions that are middle of the road No, you and so many ohers just latch onto whatever I write, probably don’t even read the whole thing and automatically dismiss it, not really getting what I tryto say. No, you don’t know me at all.

      • Karolyn

        Whatever happened to the kinder gentler Kate who apologized a short while back?

      • Kate8

        Karolyn – I apologized for anything I may have said that was unfair, based on misinfo or may have been unduly harsh. I understand that people simply are who they are, where they are, and I don’t wish to be mean. And I do realize that 99% of what we see and hear is fake.

        However, what’s so is so, and when any of us put ourselves “out there”, we’re going to catch some darts. Happens to me all the time.

        It just so happens that this article describes you to a tee. You were, indeed, at the forefront of my mind as I was reading it.

        The thing is, some of us are, at least, open enough to seek out new information. I gain new insights every single day, and I’m not afraid to change my perspective if given reason to do so. I continually reassess my perception, and incorporate new knowledge and input.

        A sheeple is someone who is so caught up in a paradigm that he/she cannot see beyond, and does not want to. If your world is based on a weak foundation, you must turn from anything which threatens to destabilize it.

        Whereas, if you hold Truth as your ultimate objective, and look at everything without the impediment of belief, then you are not afraid of change because you live in continual change, allowing life to simply flow. When you understand that the Universe is filled with infinite possibilities, limited only by our own minds, why would you want to stay in a box?

        Sooner or later everything passes away, anyhow. It’s all temporal. That we can hold on to anything is illusion.

      • Karolyn

        Kate – I will continue to maintain that I am not in a “box.” If I were, I would not come here to this site. I have friends on FB who are way more liberal than I, and I use information I have gained here to refute some of their positions. I have my finger in more pies than I have time for and try to glean information here and there when possible. And, yes, I do glean much information on FB. Here’s a site you might like that I found there. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ATQ8M2I

      • Karolyn
    • Capitalist at Birth

      No, we will be shooting you and those of your ilk. Certainly not civilians, at least in my mind.

    • Brandon Smith

      @Deer

      Okay, so you don’t like my articles. Opinion noted. However, if my work is so meaningless, why do you read it? If there is no substance to it, then why bother commenting incessantly like a child that you don’t like it? Isn’t it a waste of time? If there is nothing to it, then why not let the people here decide for themselves instead of clamoring to convince them? Why not point out some specifics of what you don’t like about it instead of using broad and meaningless statements like:

      “I saw little in your article ~ that would interest or enlighten a mature person…”

      Do you see what an empty statement that is? Really, who cares what you think “interests or enlightens” people? Try using concrete arguments next time.

      As far as your veteran’s status, I have no way of verifying it, plus, its irrelevant. I work with all kinds of very intelligent military men and women, but there plenty of idiot veterans out there as well. If you don’t like someone of my age bracket writing about government, then don’t read my work. Your tender ego and feelings will be protected, and the problem will be solved. I suspect though that this is more about one-upmanship on your part, rather than a sincere disagreement. If that is the case, then let’s have this discussion in person and sort it out. I live in Kalispell, MT. Name the time and the place.

    • Brandon Smith

      @Galt

      That’s an interesting interpretation of IRS tax code concerning barter. Meaningless, but interesting. However, you still haven’t answered my question; how does the IRS determine the profit margin on a private trade where value is relative and there is no paper trail? How do they tax an “income” they cannot quantify?

      Also, show me ANY example of the IRS pursuing prosecution of someone for private barter trade between two people. I’ll wait…

      As far as the slavery issue is concerned, the law before emancipation is only part of the issue. I was asking Chris if he thought that law was morally ACCEPTABLE TO HIM, if a majority supported it. His response was essentially a “yes”. Therefore, he immediately lost all credibility. Anyone who is willing to forgo truth and principle, anyone who is willing to defend the harming of innocent people just because government condones it, or the mindless masses condone it, has little to contribute to any discussion.

      • http://gravatar.com/plfprime GALT

        The problem with having to deal with “people” like Brandon Smith, is endless
        repetition is required……..( w.i.f.i. ) and I guess his point here is that “it’s so cool because the chances of getting caught are so small.” ( such defiance….can the actual fighting and dying be far off ?)

        It may be an interesting interpretation…..if you can’t read, guess that little excerpt wasn’t enough…….

        Expert View
        Do You Barter? The IRS Wants Its Cut
        Robert W. Wood, 11.11.09, 11:00 AM EST

        Tax authorities eye barter income, require 1099s from barter exchanges.

        If Rodney Dangerfield were alive, he might complain that even bartering is in a recession. Yet the Internal Revenue Service thinks otherwise and seems to be paying more attention to taxing barter activity.

        At least that’s the impression from an e-mail that appeared in my inbox recently. “Do you barter?” queried the headline. Somehow, I knew this e-mail was not about Bart Simpson. In fact, it sounded almost accusatory. No, I actually don’t barter (honest), though I think lots of people out there do.

        The e-mail was one of a series of regular releases the IRS sends to tax lawyers, accountants and even regular citizens who care to sign up. It’s a great way to keep up with all the rules and regulations the IRS churns out and to keep an eye on what the agency is worrying about. You do, however, sometimes get news items you’d rather ignore. I’ll bet that is the reaction a lot of recipients have to the IRS’s recent missive on bartering.

        The IRS’s view of barter.

        The IRS starts with a down-home definition. Bartering is trading one product or service for another, whether informally and one-on-one or with multiple parties in a commercial setting. It has a storied, even ancient tradition. “Our ancestors may have exchanged eggs for corn,” explains the IRS, but “today you can barter computer services for auto repair.” The IRS also lists plumbing services for dental work. You name the swap, the IRS wants to tax it.

        Wherever it arises, it is income to both sides, just like cash, according to the IRS. That means each side must report the fair market value of the item or services received on their tax returns. It isn’t clear how much bartering goes on, or how much self-reporting there is. My guess is there is quite a lot of the former and not much of the latter.

        But that could change. The IRS has set up a Bartering Tax Center and it’s worth a look. There’s even a video interview you can watch of an IRS official who explains what to do, what forms to file and more.

        Of course, most casual barter exchanges probably aren’t on anyone’s tax radar, for two reasons. First, most parties in this situation probably don’t think about the tax consequences. Second, even if they do, they probably think they’re unlikely to get caught. That may be true today, but how long it will remain true isn’t clear.

        Barter income can be messy.

        Suppose you receive $1,000 of dental work in exchange for your gardening services. Technically, you have $1,000 of income, and you can’t claim the value of your gardening services as you could a medical expense deduction. (For more on medical deductions click here.)

        That can make the situation messy, expensive and complicated. Quite apart from service swaps, even simple trades of goods trigger multiple tax rules. Suppose you swap your prized wristwatch for a painting you love. You consider it an even swap and not a tax event. Sorry, you may still have income. Your trade is likely to be viewed as two separate transactions, producing gain or loss depending on your basis in the watch.

        Say you originally received the wristwatch as part of an inheritance from your great uncle. When he died, the watch was worth $5,000. If it has doubled in value to $10,000 and the painting you are to receive in exchange is similarly worth $10,000, you will have $5,000 of income. It might be long term capital gain (taxed at a top rate of 15%), but that depends on the facts and how long you owned the watch.

        If you received it within the past year, your gain is short term and taxed up to the top 35% rate. In the IRS’s view, you sold the watch so you should pay tax. Then, you bought the painting for $10,000 and, should you later sell it for $11,000, you’ll have a taxable gain of only $1,000. Some swaps (of like-kind business and investment property) are tax-free (so-called 1031 exchanges), but that probably won’t help here.

        How will the IRS know about your swap? They probably won’t unless you receive a Form 1099. According to IRS Tax Tip 2008-25, you should ask the other party for one. If they don’t produce it, you should call the IRS. I doubt that many people follow this advice. In any case, the IRS says you must report any income on your return regardless of whether you receive a Form 1099.

        Technology raises the stakes.

        One culprit in the IRS’s view is the Internet, the new medium for the barter exchange industry. The IRS describes the typical Internet barter exchange: an agreement or process in place to value goods and services exchanged, which is facilitated by the barter exchange for a fee. Such a barter exchange functions primarily as the organizer of a marketplace where members buy and sell products and services among themselves. As bartering via the Internet grows, so too will the IRS’s determination to get a piece of it.

        Form 1099 is the key.

        There’s always been some level of barter activity, and there probably always will be. Estimates vary, but it clearly causes some erosion in tax collections. In this age of powerful computers and a shrinking IRS auditor force, document matching and Form 1099 seem to be the IRS’s answer to most problems.

        A barter exchange that hosts more than 100 transactions a year is required to send out 1099-Bs (Proceeds From Broker and Barter Exchange Transactions) to those involved in the trades. A 1982 law even requires a barter exchange to initiate “back-up” withholding if a participant doesn’t submit a valid Social Security number or other tax identification number. Since such withholding is impossible when it comes to bartering, these exchanges are theoretically subject to penalties. (They can apply to get them waived.)

        That raises the pressure on barter exchanges to get accurate information from you. Remember, the IRS matches all those 1099s with your tax return. So if you get a Form 1099-B from bartering, don’t ignore it. (For more on the importance of 1099s, click here.)

        The IRS seems right to focus on the intermediaries that are facilitating the expansion of barter activity from the junkyard to the information superhighway. That seems likely to continue.

        Holiday question: Did Bob Crachit have income?

        If the barter exchange occurs in the employment context, it’s not only income tax you have to worry about, there’s also employment tax. If you’re the employer, that can mean a penalty liability for failure to withhold.

        There is what’s known as a “de minimis” exception for small holiday gifts you give your employees. So yes, the IRS says, you can hand out turkeys and holiday food baskets to the underpaid, overworked Bob Crachits on your staff–provided the gifts don’t exceed $100 in value.

        But say that a worker puts in extra, unpaid overtime and you reward him with tickets to the Super Bowl? That’s income to him as far as the IRS is concerned.

        Just how do you withhold on Super Bowl tickets? Hold back one quarter of the game? In fact, what you’re supposed to do is increase the withholding on the wages you pay in cash to take into account the value of the tickets, and then report that value as income to him.

        Of course, that works only if you pay your employee with a combination of cash and goods. If a buddy who isn’t a regular employee helps you out at your business occasionally (say he helps you deal with viruses on your computers) and you thank him with those Super Bowl tickets, then the IRS will likely view what you’ve given him as taxable pay, not a tax-free gift.

        Robert W. Wood is a tax lawyer with a nationwide practice. The author of more than 30 books, including Taxation of Damage Awards & Settlement Payments (4th Ed. 2009 http://www.taxinstitute.com), he can be reached at wood@woodporter.com. This discussion is not intended as legal advice and cannot be relied upon for any purpose without the services of a qualified professional.

        BTW Brandon….I admire your defiance……you must feel so brave……of course, if
        you use the “information” you were given……..the IRS has “no jurisdiction”, over anything………zero taxation, is far better…….at least I have enjoyed it for the last 30 years. As for how you feel when you do get “caught”…..you’ll have to let me know.

      • http://gravatar.com/plfprime GALT

        That “ole moral compass, again”……..

        problem is…….it doesn’t result in the “loss of all credibility”, although it would be the
        desired result of someone who had no concept of logical argument, having produced
        an article of pointless self contradictory rhetoric on an imaginary condition, which is
        the “cause of all the worlds problems”, and was criticized for it……..he could hopefully
        avoid having to deal with the “criticism”, by employing a logical fallacy.

        Is wage slavery immoral?

        Is debt slavery immoral?

        Is peonage immoral?

        Is taking advantage of another persons ignorance to secure an advantage or profit immoral?

        Is the truth relative?

        Is the statement, There are no absolutes. a true statement?

        If the truth is not relative, is light a particle or a wave?

        If truth is not relative, why is it that economics can not determine the
        empirical value of any given asset to the value of any other given asset
        at any given point in time?

        If rights are god given, why are they not secured by god?

        If government is the agent by which the unalienable right to life is
        secured…….what would government be responsible for providing,
        legally and morally, in order to actually secure that right?

        What is morality?

        What is the source from which your definition or answer is derived?

        The sheeple need to be saved from themselves…….and the answers to
        these questions are critical…….clearly the members of the “non sheeple liberty
        movement” have the answers………….?

      • http://gravatar.com/plfprime GALT

        More barter tax stuff…….

        http://www.theorderoftime.com/politics/cemetery/stout/h/pbb-22.htm

        Pointless for the “willfully ignorant, functional illiterates”……….but maybe some
        sheeple will find it edifying?

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    PEOPLE ON THIS SITE OFTEN TALK ABOUT, Saul Alinsky. I HAVE NOT READ HIS WORK. SINCE Mr.Smith MENTIONED HIM, I Googled Mr. Alinsky.

    SO, SINCE Mr. Alinsky ORGANIZED NEGRO GHETTOS, I ASSUME Personal Libertarians ARE IMPLYING HE IS THE White VERSION OF THE KENYAN.

    • speedle

      No Chris, the”Kenyan” is a black (or cream colored) version of Alinsky (who is the original Communist American and tutor of Obama). There is absolutely no chicken and egg confusion in this regard.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “speedle” – I KNOW THAT; I MERELY “WORDED” IT THAT WAY BECAUSE I KNOW NOTHING OF, Alinsky.

  • Brandon Smith

    @Chris

    I think you are well aware of who Saul Alinsky is since you have so far used almost every disinformation tactic from his book “Rules For Radicals”, including playing the racism card just now in an attempt to avoid answering my simple questions.

    When are you going to answer those, by the way? What are you afraid of?

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “Brandon Smith,”

      ASK ME A SPECIFIC QUESTION AND I WILL ANSWER – IF, POSSIBLE. YOUR PROPAGANDA IS SO “THICK;” BUT, I AM TRYING MY BEST TO FOLLOW. REMEMBER, I AM SIMPLE.

      CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      • Brandon Smith

        @Chris

        I have asked you several specific questions which you have refused to answer. Let’s try this yet again…

        Do you support Obama’s policy of indefinite detention and rendition outlined in the NDAA?

        Do you support Obama’s policy of rendition and assassination of American citizens without trial?

        Do you believe that it is acceptable for a government to pass any law, no matter how immoral, as long as they have “majority support” behind them?

        Would you support the dismantling of the 1st Amendment if the government claimed it was lawful and the “majority” supported it?

        Do you believe it is morally acceptable for a government to mistreat and abuse a subsection of a population just because they are in a “minority”? Like, for instance, the forced internment of Japanese Americans in concentration camps by FDR during WWII?

        The only question you have answered so far is my question on slavery. Your reply shows that you do indeed see slavery as acceptable as long as the government says it is so, and the majority follows (like sheep). The point of these questions is clear; worship of the government bears a price tag. Maybe you are willing to pay that price in order to maintain your comfort. I, however, am not…

        • Deerinwater

          BS ask, “Do you support Obama’s policy of rendition and assassination of American citizens without trial?”

          I say, ~ Any person that enjoys Ring Side seating needs to be mindful the air is full of sweat and blood an a occasional folding chair. And your citizenship paper makes for a very poor shield.

        • deerinwater

          Brandon Smith, if you are looking for a Simpleton to answer your “Yes or No” questions. I think maybe you have underestimated your audience.

          Rendition sucks ~ started under Bush (or at least used under 43) and continues today . ~ You have the 107th Republican lead Congress to thank for this breach of civil liberties. So now we’ve got shadow operatives representing ~ not for sure who and not for sure for what purpose working underground, in 3rd world counties all over the globe attempting to extract information from individuals that have no rights, must less a country.

          Like we have discovered with GITMO, ~ once fired, putting the bullet back in the gun is impossible.

      • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

        Is that simple Chris, or simpleton? Brandon is right, you sure dance pretty.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        Brandon Smith,

        I HOPE YOU BELIEVE I AM NEGRO. THIS BIOLOGICAL CIRCUMSTANCE AUTOMATICALLY MAKES ME ANTI-AMERICAN.

        SLAVERY NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED. THEREFORE, I BELIEVE EARTH IS A PLANET WHICH CONTAINS SEVERAL I-N-D-E-P-E-N-D-E-N-T NATIONS WHICH HAVE A RIGHT TO FOLLOW THEIR OWN DESTINY. AS ONE OF THESE NATIONS, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA SHOULD ONLY BE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS WITHIN ITS OWN BORDERS.

        IF SOMEONE IN ONE NATION KILLS SOMEONE FROM ANOTHER NATION, IT WAS SIMPLY, “HER/HIS TIME TO GO.” Personal Liberty Digest HAS A RECENT ARTICLE ABOUT POSSIBLE NUCLEAR-TESTING IN NORTH KOREA. IT WAS WRONG FOR Johns Hopkins University – AS AN INSTITUTION OF LEARNING – TO ACT AS LIAISON FOR AMERICAN INTELLIGENCE. IN OTHER WORDS, LET THE NORTH KOREANS “DO THEIR THANG.”

        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    • Karolyn

      Get off it Brandon! I have heard this over and over on this site when liberals are attacked (and Chris is so NOT a liberal!). I would vventure to guess that the majority of liberal posters, like me (although I am a more conservative liberal than many), have NEVER read Alinsky. i must admit i heard his name over the years but never felt the need to investigate him. We are just normal people with our own words. Your pat response to Chris that he’s using Alinsky “tactics” is ridiculously overused.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Why should Brandon get off of it, Karlolyn because you demand it. By the way, if you have to explain what you want people to believe you are, you are not it. What you write here makes you a pure Dem/Prog/Leftist.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Karolyn, Sadly, you have been indoctrinated and have a close mind. If you don’t like what Brandon has to say, I suggest you leave this site and find more productive use of your time. Evidently you choose ignorance over knowledge.

      • Karolyn

        Nadzieja – As usual, you do not get my point.
        And CAB – As usual, you say the same thing over and over.

      • Brandon Smith

        @Karolyn

        I never said Chris is a “liberal”. Thank you for yet another strawman argument.

        Also, when disinformation trolls stop using Alinsky Tactics on liberty websites, I will stop pointing them out. The best way to disrupt a disruptor is to expose the dishonest methods he uses. He may be a “normal person”, he may be a paid shill. That’s not the primary point. Regardless, he has used almost every tactic from Saul Alinsky’s guide book, and these tactics include many dishonest methods of debate designed to derail the truth, rather than discover it. Alinsky tactics are used by those who are, in most cases, knowingly in the wrong, but they still want to “win”. It’s a disturbing mindset.

        • Deerinwater

          Hmm ? I know nothing about this crap ~ Rules of engagement?

          Why does rule # 5 conflict with rule number #4 , not to mention that it #5 flies in the face of Mr. Livingston posting policy.

          But it does sound like something Beck would employ.

          “* RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules. (This is a serious rule. The besieged entity’s very credibility and reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the damage.)
          * RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)

          I say; being ridiculed by an idiot is a compliment! ~ and if that and a hand full of fingers is his most potential weapon , I feel inclined to kick his assets and send him home to mama.

      • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.98892 Benjamin Fox

        Karolyn how do you type with your mouth full of cool-aid? You shoud read Sal, he is repeated by your clown in chief everyday, you could know that if it wasn’t for obozo’s double speak.

      • Michael J.

        Karolyn,
        For once I agree. This “Chris” character’s tactics more closely resemble Homer Simpson than Saul Alinsky. In my estimation “Chris” couldn’t make a pimple on a Marxist arse.

      • Kate8

        Michael J. – Only in his dreams.

      • http://www.facebook.com/jim.chambers.986 Jim Chambers

        Karolyn says:
        February 5, 2013 at 7:40 am

        You are trying to equate ‘liberal’ with ‘normal’? C’mon. Liberal and normal are mutually exclusive.

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    “Brandon Smith,”

    YES – INDEED – SLAVERY WAS LAWFUL AND ACCEPTABLE. THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO OPPOSED IT DID NOT HAVE THE INTELLIGENCE, NOR, MONEY TO END IT – LEGALLY. SLAVES!

    Mr. Smith, I AM NOT ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVES THOSE Founding Fathers WHO DID NOT OWN SLAVES DESERVE A “PASS.”

    WITH THE KENYAN IN OFFICE, THE Founding Fathers HAVE BECOME TOTALLY IRRELEVANT. THIS RACIAL SHIFT DEMANDS A TOTAL RE-BUILDING OF THIS NATION. ORGANIZED RELIGION NEEDS TO GO, PAPER MONEY WITH White Mens’ PORTRAITS NEEDS TO GO AND The Constitution NEEDS TO GO. AS A BETTING MAN, I CHALLENGE CAUCASIANS TO FIND NEGROES WHO DISAGREE.

    E-V-E-R-Y SINGLE ARTICLE WHICH HAS BEEN PUBLISHED AT, Personal Liberty Digest – SINCE MY ARRIVAL – IS BASED ON THE FACT THAT PEOPLE ACROSS THIS NATION ARE “SCRAMBLING” BECAUSE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NO LONGER EXISTS. PEOPLE ONLY TALK ABOUT AMERICA’S “HEYDEY” AS A WAY TO COPE WITH THIS LOSS.

    YOU AND OTHERS MAY THINK I AM LYIN’ – BUT, USA IS GONE [AND, IT WON'T BE BACK].

    CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    • deerinwater

      CAH says “YOU AND OTHERS MAY THINK I AM LYIN’ – BUT, USA IS GONE [AND, IT WON'T BE BACK].”

      I say, ” Chris , you need to frame such a statement. ~ for clearly yesterday is never to return.

      It’s comes nature for any of us to think along ~ a race ~ view. ~ for after all each of us is blessed with one pair of eyes. ~ To see through another’s eyes, ~ requires great effort and healthy control of ones own ego.

      But, may I say ~ you lose me with such a statement. ~ this sounds like a superfluous statement. ~ unless we are questioning the direction of up and down and soliciting robust debate.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “deerinwater,”

        FOR SAKE OF THIS SITE, I WILL SAY IT THIS WAY.

        PEOPLE ARE DESPERATE TO HOLD ON TO THEIR GUNS BECAUSE THE ONLY THING LEFT IS THEIR LIVES. IF YOU HAVE LOST YOUR HOME, IF YOU HAVE LOST YOUR JOB AND IF YOU THINK THE KENYAN HAS LOST HIS MIND – THEN, YOU ARE TALKING SURVIVAL. HAVING GUNS IN SCHOOLS IS ABOUT CHILDREN SURVIVING. BUYING GOLD MEANS PAPER MONEY BECAME TOILET PAPER – SO, GOLD [SAYS, Bob Livingston] IS A TOOL FOR SURVIVAL.

        “deerinwater,” SURELY, YOU DO NOT BELIEVE PEOPLE ON THIS SITE BELIEVE THIS NATION IS VIABLE UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES.

      • Deerinwater

        Chris ask; ““deerinwater,” SURELY, YOU DO NOT BELIEVE PEOPLE ON THIS SITE BELIEVE THIS NATION IS VIABLE UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES.”

        I reply ; I find it a taunting task to consider what everyone on this site “might believe” Chris.

        We are each much like a snowflake, different in ways and the same in others.

        We all share certain common traits, ~ We have discretionary time to squander, ~ a certain amount of cash-flow is coming in that allows us this time. We live in dwelling that have the utilities on , ~ We are not living under bridges or fighting morning traffic and bad weather on our way to work. ~ This alone makes us different from most Americans today.

        Some of us enjoy good health while I fear that many of us don’t ~ these person(s) have been forced out to pasture, ~ this spare time makes up the bulk of their existence. ~ Several of the most active posters here are that way ~ I fear. ~ This accounts for their passion, for like a dog with just one bone ~ in their eyes, this is all they have got!
        I’m not going to list names ~ that would not be right for me to do.

        There are posters here that tell us what they “feel” and there are posters that tell us what they think. I do this, you do this, ~ we all do this.

        By nature the Conservative mindset is a fearful one ,as a Conservative believes that he/she has something to lose. The fear of losing can be and often is paralyzing. They find it better to do little that might change things as they know what they do have and fear losing ground on any level of play.

        The old wisdom , “better loved and lost then never loved at all” does not fit inside a conservative mindset. While this Conservative paralysis to act does not affect the mind and tongue. They are frustrated by their own inability to act, ~ so they think and they talk, and they say things ~ things they know is not true but they wish that they were true! They want it to be true! They want to defer the the responsibility for all the failures they see to someone ~ anyone other then themselves.

        ~ This describes but one variety of the White Anglo-Saxon Protestant (WASP) that represents the bulk of the posters on these Forums Chris ~ while as you know so well, there are others.

        We have a small group that represent the Jews, we have some native American Indians, Hispanic’s, Eastern Indians, Mexicans ( which I think of as Native North American Indians) We have American Negros, ~ it’s a smogusboard of humanity represented here on Bob Livingston’s Forum. ~ What we all have in common, is our presence and desire to listen, learn and speak out. ~

        Let it not be,~ that something goes unsaid that needs to be said. ~ You might think of it as a safety pressure valve, that prevents dangerous and untimely explosions.

        Keep talking ! Using each other as a sounding board ~ offers us insights and aids each of us in our ability to cope with our changing world in changing times.

        It’s this “changing ” ~ that we must all come to terms with, ~ as each of us attempt to apply some steering.

        While the people this “change” effects most is not even here today. They are working! raising families, carrying kids to school or the doctor or not yet even born.

      • Kate8

        People – The truth is, the biggest reason government wants to take away all guns is because they are pushing UN Agenda 21 for completion ASAP, and they cannot force this on us until we are unarmed.

        UN Agenda 21 is their dream. It means eliminating 90% of the world’s population, and full control of what’s left. People will never willingly go along with it. It’s already pretty advanced.

        This is the only thing which prevents the full implementation of this. It is why the world has been disarmed. We are now the target.

        It’s going to take an Act of God to save us, anyway, folks. With the technology available to the elite, our guns would be useless in a real battle. What we have to do is to take down the power structures which are in control, and I don’t have a solution for that, other than to PRAY WITH EVERYTHING WE HAVE IN US.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        Kate8 is here in full bloom today, carrying on about Agenda 21. A question, Kate? Are the 10% going to kill off the 90% somehow? Is that why we need assault rifles? Because the “killers” will be so badly outnumbered by the “killees”?

    • Warrior

      Ah yes, and “finally” the “truth” comes out. Hail “ceasar”! FORWARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Bob W.

      Our founding Fathers gave us a Republic and not a democracy, rule of law and not mob rule. The Constitution is to controll the government and not the people. The people have God given rights and not rights derived from government.
      In democracy any decision made by the majority becomes the law, whether right or wrong. For example; 10 people crash on an island , 6 men and 4 women, they establish a democracy as a government until rescue. After a few weeks one man proposes that any man can rape any woman at will, the vote is 6 to 4 to pass this ‘law’, This Is Democracy at its finest. No reguard for what is right, only what is approved by the majority.
      Do you understand now , Christopher?

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Ignorant people cannot and will not understand facts and logic. After 55 years of trying to enlighten them, I have found it is better to ignore them, as they will never listen. Their minds are closed.

      • nc

        Bob, but it the vote comes out 7 to 3 or 8 to 2 you may not have to rape any one! If it come out 10 to 0 let the party begin!! Plus every one got to vote

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Bob W.,”

        YOU AND Mr. Smith ARE PLAYING THE SAME GAME. THIS NATION IS A DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC. WE LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY BECAUSE “WE” THE PEOPLE COLLECTIVELY UTILIZE VOTING AS THE METHOD FOR SELECTING THE PEOPLE “WE” WANT TO CARRY-OUT “OUR” DEMANDS.

        “Bob W.” [AND, Mr. Smith], DO NOT RE-DEFINE “Republic” MERELY BECAUSE YOU WANT TO CHERISH DEAD MEN WHO HAVE NO MEANING IN 2013.

      • nc

        Brandon, surely you don’t consider this place an access to “Facts and truth’? Anyone here with the intelligence to dress himself knows of the allegations of “the facts”(?) of the many conspiracies YET to be proved! The allegations of the “facts” that 9/11 and shootings ARE “false flag government involvement” events YET to be proved! FEMA camps?? Election cancellations??? Dictatorship??? THESE ARE FACTS AND TRUTHS??
        You say you fear some sort of doom for the sheeple is near? You say they should believe you and wise up and rise up and follow you before it is too late? May I be so bold as to ask what the hell you and your 1% plan to do when you are in the streets against the government? You have to do “it” there because 1% in an election is a joke!

        I can see you now leading the sheeple 1%ERS down the street crying ” GOD FOR AMERICAN, PARANOIA AND THE LOCAL FUNERAL HOME’!!

    • czman75

      “WITH THE KENYAN IN OFFICE, THE Founding Fathers HAVE BECOME TOTALLY IRRELEVANT. THIS RACIAL SHIFT DEMANDS A TOTAL RE-BUILDING OF THIS NATION. ORGANIZED RELIGION NEEDS TO GO, PAPER MONEY WITH White Mens’ PORTRAITS NEEDS TO GO AND The Constitution NEEDS TO GO.” With your very words, you show yourself to be un-American. Religion is here to stay, the Constitution will survive. You and ovomit are irrelevant. America will survive ovomit just as Germany survived Hitler. If you are not afraid, why are you yelling?

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Germany may have survived, but untold Millions did not. Are you seriously proposing we absolve our Constitutional Republic? If you are, you need a rude awakening as to what the end results will be.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        THAT WAS A GOOD ONE, “czman75!”

      • http://www.sweetsalesgirl.com/Kuurus/ Charles Johnson

        Chris you do realize by stating that the Constitution must go you have places yourself as a domestic enemy of every person in the military and law enforcement that actually takes their oath seriously?

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Charles Johnson,”

        TREASON IS, “IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER.”

        A REASON WHY PEOPLE ARE NOT “CONNECTING” IN THIS COUNTRY IS BECAUSE SOME “NUTJOB” SOMEWHERE IS TRYING TO TELL OTHERS WHAT TO AUTOMATICALLY BELIEVE. IF YOU ARE NOT IN THE MILITARY, YOU HAVE NO NEED TO RESPECT THE MILITARY.

    • Brandon Smith

      @Chris

      So, would you be a supporter of slavery today if the government and the majority deemed it lawful? Since you apparently think this was the only criteria to make it acceptable before…

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        Brandon Smith,

        SIR, CAUCASIANS LOVE TO MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT ALL blacks HATED THEIR ENSLAVEMENT. THAT IS A LIE. SOME SLAVES TOOK GREAT COMFORT IN THE SECURITY THEIR OWNERS PROVIDED. FOR EXAMPLE, IF A SLAVE WANTED TO RUNAWAY, THERE WERE OTHER SLAVES WHO WANTED “NO PART OF IT.”

        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Waco Britt,”

        IF YOU WERE CORRECT, THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR AMENDMENTS TO The Constitution.

        YOUR VIEW HIGHLIGHTS THE PRINCIPAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN “Patriots” AND OTHERS WHO MERELY LIVE HERE. THE PRACTICAL DEFINITION OF, “Amendment,” MEANS SOMEONE DID NOT LIKE SOMEONE ELSE’S VALUES.

      • Brandon Smith

        @Chris

        You still didn’t answer my question. Would you support slavery today if the government made it “legal” and a “majority” supported it?

        • Deerinwater

          Again! a “yes or no”question framed by Brandon! ~ does he really believe that life is that simple?

          Brandon ~you nee more “f&cking and more babies in your life. ~ Babies that are a part of “YOU”!

          Until then~ you are just a pup. ~ can you get my drift? ~ put a sock in it, is my best advise .

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        Brandon Smith,

        YES!

        THERE IS A NEED OF PROOF FOR THOSE WHO HAVE N-E-V-E-R SUPPORTED THE KENYAN’S ILLEGAL OCCUPANCY.

      • Brandon Smith

        @Deer

        It’s sad to see how threatened you are by the questions presented. You keep saying the answers aren’t simple, but this is just an excuse to avoid answering. Why won’t you or Galt or Chris man up and tackle the questions? What are you afraid of?

        • Deerinwater

          Okay Brandon, ~ I’ve attempted to conform to the “comment policy” and pull my punches with you. ~ But you are entice me to ignore policy with such comments.

          I am not going to answer your yes or no questions with a yes or no. ~ I’m not going to pull your finger to hear you fart.

          Do you still beat your wife? Is a yes or no question while either answer poorly serves the question.

          The very pretext of anything being “right or wrong ” ~ and how you or I might feel about it is not really that relevant unless you and I are applying for a GOD position.

          You might believe that you are some-kind of god but the title is above my pay grade.

          There is much “wrong” in the world and always has been. ~ Bad things is always happening to good people and there are limited to what you or I can do about it Brandon.

          To accept the fact that all battles are not winnable and choose them wisely comes with age. Not all battles are noble and worth the effort. Any means will not justify an end.

          If you are one to see the world itself as having the capacity to be a righteous place full of righteous men and women , all I can say is more power to you my little brother, I’ve got smaller battle to fight, battles, battles that I know I have a possibility of winning.

          There is much in this world that I don’t condone or approve of. That we are all placed in the position to where we might be seen as “enablers” to activities that we don’t approve of is called “Irony” ~ Life is loaded up and full of “IRONY” ~

          Such a small word is “irony” , while we deal with irony our whole lives yet so many fail to understand or recognize it for what it is, it’s qualities, it’s properties.

          Irony is bitter, sweet sorrow. Irony is, you can’t get there from here. Irony is color, flavor, texture. Irony is the wrong in being right and the right in being wrong. Without irony we’d be left with little to talk about Brandon.

          This battle you fight to remove “Irony” from life will fail Brandon.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        Brandon Smith,

        I ANSWERED YOU AND TOLD YOU, “YES,” SLAVERY IS ACCEPTABLE.

        NOW, Mr. Smith, YOU ARE USING THE TACTIC OF RUNNING AWAY BECAUSE I KNOW MY OWN MIND. IT SEEMS YOU LIKE TO DEBATE THOSE WHO FEAR YOU.

        • macgyver1948

          CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON… I am confused by your answer to this question “Would slavery be acceptable again?” to Brandon smith, or to anyone actually, and you say yes. Let’s do this intellectually and not only emotionally. My people, Jewish People, have been in slavery often over time, by the Egyptians and the Romans and the Greeks, not to mention Arabs and on since those days and your people were slaves too as others have. All people are free in modern countries today so how is it “I ANSWERED YOU AND TOLD YOU, “YES,” SLAVERY IS ACCEPTABLE”, as you say here, ok to you? How is it “acceptable if we go from being free people back to being slaves? How would that work?

          Would we take those in debt and make them indentured until they pay off their debt or would you have it where someone who is strong enough to go up to those who aren’t (you define what is strong enough or not) and knock them down and chain them? That was a common method in the past. Would color and ethnicity matter since it hasn’t in the past? How? I couldn’t understand this question arising again when I saw it one or two days ago here.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “macgyver1948,”

        SINCE THIS IS, Black History Month, I WILL SAY IT THIS WAY.

        WHY NOT RETURN blacks TO SLAVERY? THEY REFUSE TO FORGET THE PAST. THEY TRY – THE BEST THAT THEY CAN – TO ENJOY THE “FRUITS” OF CONTEMPORARY SOCIETY, BUT, THEY ARE TOO AFRAID TO SHOW ANY INTIATIVE THEY MAY HAVE IN ORDER TO TRULY ADVANCE, SOCIO-ECONOMICALLY. IN TODAY’S Staff Reports, THERE IS A THREAD ABOUT THE ABILITY TO TRACK PERSONAL INFORMATION ON MOBILE ELECTRONIC-DEVICES. THERE ARE SOME NEGROES WHO WILL MISS A BILL PAYMENT IN ORDER TO PURCHASE ONE OF THESE DEVICES – YET, THEY HAVE “NO CLUE” OF ANY POTENTIAL DANGERS FROM THOSE DEVICES. MOREOVER, NEGROES SPEND “EVERY DIME THEY GET THEIR HANDS ON” FOR PURCHASES WHICH ONLY GIVE THEM THE “APPEARANCE” OF BEING RICH; BUT, THE MINUTE SOMETHING GOES WRONG, “the white man is trying to keep me down.”

        SO, HAVING SOMEONE IN CONTROL OF blacks’ DESTINY IS NOT A BAD IDEA.

        • macgyver1948

          CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON… Why not leave it up to blacks since that is the human and Godly thing to do? I can’t believe we are discussing this idiocy.

          • Deerinwater

            macgyver says, “I can’t believe we are discussing this idiocy.”

            I say, Have you not understood yet, Mr Horton specializes in the “profound” with an “in your face racist tilt” .

            While the “profound” is common here and so too is both open and cloaked bigotry, Horton’s is unique as he is.

            Horton and Chuck would be a fun line up to witness. I don’t think Chuck would know what to do with him ~ He be mad for having to agree!

          • macgyver1948

            Deerinwater… I have wondered since I first started reading Horton a few months ago if he was prejudiced/bigoted against himself. I think Fraud would have a field day with him on his couch. This slavery issue as he declares it, his saying blacks should go back to slavery, is another example of that. Chuck, on the the hand, is just the regular kind.

          • Deerinwater

            Hmm? If you see it that way, ~ then if Horton wasn’t a Negro and wrote in Caps, he’d be just another redneck guy too?

            Being Crass and Profound is really not hard to do, doing it well is much harder. Horton does it well. But why he does it ? I have not a clue ~ he’s voicing his opinion like the rest of us. I find most of his observations ring clear and true in regards to some “blacks” but not to all.

            Horton color is just on the outside. Please forgive the local slang, ~ but he is what is often called by white’s as a chrome-plated Negro and not to be confused with a High Stepping Yellow.

            I find Chuck and Horton both willing to frequently make “profound” condescending statement directed straight at the Negro race.

            But Horton is a Mulatto, ~ denotes a person with black ancestry and white ancestry.

            Many of the people in Central America are “Mestizo” which is a mixed European and Amer-Indian decent.

            Some people think such words are derogatory, ~ I do not. ~ we need such words to identify and explain. ~

            Unlike Mr. Brandon Smith, ~ I do not nor do I wish to live in just a black or white world. But prefer a world of many colors and a thousand shades of grey.

            But bottom line, no one owes anyone an apologize for their pedigree. We are all born into this world naked and without our consent. ~ while the cloths we wear , the company we keep and the thoughts we entertain, we are held responsible for an a apologize might be warranted.

            Words can be beautiful and so can the people that speak them well.

          • macgyver1948

            Deerinwater… I would take it on a case by case bases but to me it is clear that bigotry is nasty no mater who deals it out. And if one claims to be of God and there is bigotry within them I see the insulating hypocrisy there too, also insulting to God.

            You include “Unlike Mr. Brandon Smith, ~ I do not nor do I wish to live in just a black or white world. But prefer a world of many colors and a thousand shades of grey”. All that really matters is the color on the inside and the tone of ones heart. The inside color is all the same for all of us but the tone of the heart varies greatly. My feelings are my litmus paper. What else can I go by?

            Words can be beautiful as well as nasty but that too depends on the tone of ones heart.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “macgyver1948,”

        YOU MADE A REFERENCE ABOUT THE NEW YORK/NEW JERSEY AREA AND THE NEGROES THERE. BUT, IT IS OBVIOUS YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE CAUCASIANS WHO BELIEVE ALL NEGROES HATE CAUCASIANS. SO, I AM ENGAGED IN THIS DIALOGUE TO ILLUSTRATE MY NON-HATRED.

        • macgyver1948

          CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON… WOW… To whom is it obvious that I am “ONE OF THOSE CAUCASIANS WHO BELIEVE ALL NEGROES HATE CAUCASIANS”? Please do not pull a typical Tea Party thing on me by assuming something so wrong. I don’t know you but I am getting impressions of you from what you say and how you write. I do not think in that kind of way to assume such a generalization of blacks or any group. I go by individual expressions/actions and not see one person of a group and take it that he/she represents the entire group in that thinking. That is why I cannot be Tea Party so please do not assume of me without asking.

          Ok, I am not assuming you hate others for being others (as you attempt to illustrate with your “DIALOGUE TO ILLUSTRATE MY NON-HATRED”) but I wonder about you in not liking yourself so much with some of the things you say. Or is it that you do not like the black race in general with how you speak of them, thus yourself? That would be an interesting study but I am not a shrink so my inquiries would be only curiosity.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “macgyver1948,”

        I MADE THAT COMMENT BECAUSE CAUCASIANS EXPECT ALL NEGROES TO SAY, “Slavery is YOUR fault and everything bad that has happened in my life is because of YOU!”

        • macgyver1948

          Horton… You are generalizing, which tends to make one wrong often. The Tea does this a lot and it explains a lot. For you to say “CAUCASIANS EXPECT ALL NEGROES TO SAY, “Slavery is YOUR fault and everything bad that has happened in my life is because of YOU!” is implying that so many “NEGROES” feel that way. I grew up with a good number of blacks and mixed in NYC and many of them and their parents didn’t generalize as you. Yes, I know, they weren’t called “blacks” back then. Many whites do not generalize like this either. People who do not I guess know better. Well, many bigots do but you know how I feel about them anyway.

          Try getting specific with people so you might not appear to be wrong so often. Not all Caucasians feel the same as it is with blacks, other races and mixed cultures. I have some bigoted Jewish relatives but most of my relatives are not. I do not expect any group, as a group, to say something so inane and stupid as “CAUCASIANS EXPECT ALL NEGROES TO SAY..”. Substitute whatever groups you want for both.

          And with all that you say you sound so sure of your self with “I MADE THAT COMMENT BECAUSE…”. The “BECAUSE” makes it sound so “has to be right”. Actually it is only how you see it.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “macgyver1948,”

        IN MY FORTY-SIX YEARS OF LIFE, I HAVE NEVER MET A NEGRO WHO THOUGHT CAUCASIANS WERE BLAMELESS.

        “FEEL-GOOD” CAUCASIANS LOVE TO TAKE blacks’ side IN ORDER TO EASE GUILT.

        • macgyver1948

          Chris… Don’t get me wrong, there are, and have been, many whites to blame. But people have to take their own responsibilities in pulling themselves up and excuses do not get it done. It is like the excuse of blaming the parents for how a kid turns out. Yes, much of that is the parents doing while they are in the parents care but when they get out on their own it is up to them totally. Go to college if you can, invest if you can, build a business of your own if you can but whatever get into the habit of learning and experiencing and doing/follow though (the doing/follow though is the best part because other wise nothing else will cause results) for your self.

          My dad couldn’t afford to send me to college so I got Uncle Sam to pay for undergrad school after I got out of the Air Force. The rest was on me and the companies I worked for but the point is we all need to find our own ways. Excuses are like the bodily extraction point, we all have one and in using it all we get is waste. So get rid of the waste and stop blaming it on the paper for any excess mess.

          I hope no one with a weak stomach is eating while reading this, LOL…

          By the way, I don’t have any guilt in that regard, what you say in your last line (“FEEL-GOOD” CAUCASIANS LOVE TO TAKE blacks’ side IN ORDER TO EASE GUILT”) since I don’t do that because I do not say things for those reasons. But I feel pretty good most of the time any way.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “macgyver1948,”

        THERE IS NO WAY I CAN MAKE THIS COMMENT WITHOUT INSULTING YOU. SO, I HOPE YOU WILL “CHALK-IT-UP,” AS HONEST DISCUSSION.

        YOUR STATUS AS HEBREW IS THE REASON WHY YOU ARE SENSITIVE TO MY COMMENTARY. AMERICAN HEBREWS HAVE BEEN “HOOD-WINKED” INTO CARRYING THE “BURDENS” OF WWII-ERA HEBREWS. THE SAD PART IS, FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU, “macgyver1948,” NEGROES ARE NOT RETURNING THE “COURTESY” BECAUSE Nazism IS NOT A PART OF THE NEGRO CONSCIOUS.

    • Waco Britt

      @Chris-

      Wow, really. I usually read comments not offer them, but this is something that bugs the crap out of me. For some reason people like yourself believe that our founding fathers just threw together a government and that it served only them and only during that specific time period. That is not how I see it.

      The key framers of the Constitution were intelligent enough to look thru ought history and learn from it. The Constitution and the Bill of rights is just as relevant today as it was over 200 years ago. The rights of the individual and the checks and balances that protect the individual from fellow citizens and the government will all ways make since.

      It’s not a question of time period are races but the god given right to the freedoms given to us the day we are born. The Land of the Free, that’s what the constitution protects. It established certain rights that cannot be taken away for any reason. To suggest that this has anything to do with race is racist. There is no line in the sand, they are everyone’s rights wither they are; white, black, atheist, Christian ECT. It does not matter; the constitution protects the liberties and freedom of every citizen and protects all of us from tyranny and mob rule.

      It was crafted with the knowledge that down the line people like you would come along and either corrupt or even out right change the country because they thing that they got it all figured out. You represent one of the reasons for the Constitution because you are arrogant enough to believe that YOU are special, that THEY were white slave owners and there has to be a new way of running this country simply because it’s a new and modern world. We may have more technology and information but human nature has been the same for thousands of years and will continue to remain the same.

      The framers knew this, and this form of government is an attempt to give us the flexibility of change thru forms of democracy but protect us from corruption and the exploitation of our government by mob rule or flash in the pan ideologies that threaten liberties for any given group or individual.

      So when you say that USA is finished and never to return, you are saying F$%# Freedom in my opinion. Please let me know what you have to offer in replacement of the constitution and this government, because if this is happening I would like to know what the new plan is so I can have an intelligent debate about it before it is the new law of the land.

      • http://Yahoo Maynard

        I like almost everything you said. The Constitution is to defend the rights of all for all time to provide them with certain basic and essential liberties and to constrain the government from violating them. The fact that most of our representatives give only lip service to the Constitution should not be overlooked. Both parties have overwhelmingly gone against those rights with the lame excuse that those demonic hijackers and that epitome of evil Osama bin Laden make it essential. The real truth is that they perpetrated those atrocities on 9/11 and the ensuing anthrax scare in order to get us to plead for protection and willingly give up our rights. Yet, Ben Franklin said “He who gives up freedom for security, deserves neither.” Even Butch Otter pointed out that if we allow the alleged terrorists to cause us to give us our rights, means they have won.
        I have gone over evidence ad nauseum to demonstrate that the Insiders Did It is fact not fiction and the sheeple have ignored those facts. Prove to me you are not deserving of that appellation, please. Contradict with reason and evidence the following:
        1)
        White House insiders could not reasonably have been able to anticipate the anthrax scare and yet they went to the extent of initiating, SECRETLY, anti-anthrax antibiotics, THREE WEEKS BEFORE the first known threat.
        2)
        The first victim, Robert Stevens had no known connections to the eventual scapegoat, Bruce Ivins, but had published an embarrassing photo of the President’s daughter, drunk and sitting on another girl’s lap.
        3)
        Only leading Democrats who were not yet willing to swallow the treacherous and treasonous Patriot Act received anthrax letters among all of the politicians.
        4)
        Efforts were made which proved false to pin it on the Muslims and Saddam Hussein using patently counterfeit Muslim epithets in the letters and untrue claims that the anthrax contained bentonite which would have been a clear association with Saddam. 5)
        Bruce Ivins, the government’s second scapegoat, who had a long and decorated career as a scientist exploring ways to COMBAT any anthrax attack supposedly committed suicide BEFORE he was even accused, yet he was CREMATED WITHOUT an AUTOPSY.
        6)
        His colleagues pointed out that he could not have pulverized the anthrax spores as observed which was needed for them to disperse readily into the air to be inhaled because HE LACKED THE NECESSARY HIGHLY EXPENSIVE EQUIPMENT. He would have infected himself and his lab without that equipment.
        7)
        Rudy Giuliani mysteriously and inexplicably purchased the site where Robert Stevens was infected in Boca Raton, Fl, in an apparent attempt to destroy the evidence by having it decontaminated. Nevertheless, the DNA of the anthrax led straight back to the US Government’s secret labs.
        8)
        The obvious value of these letters was to intimidate leading newscasters and opposition politicians and to implicate Saddam Hussein so that the SHEEPLE would bleat their approval for an attack on Iraq which had NO connection to 9/11. None of the alleged hijackers were from Iraq. Osama bin Laden and most of the hijackers were Saudis but since the Saudis were chums of the Bush family, that fact was largely ignored and Saudi soil remained inviolate from our ruthless campaign of “Shock and Awe.”
        9)
        We now know from Susan Linderman (?). (Her last name escapes me at the moment) who was falsely accused of being a spy, although she clearly was an asset of the CIA, that Saddam so wanted to avoid war he was willing to grant us many concessions including buying millions of US made autos over a ten-year period. For her efforts to inform her cousin, Andrew Card and Sen. McCain she was arrested and the government petitioned to drug her which would have rendered her defense useless. Luckily, this was not done and she eventually got out to lecture and write of her imprisonment and near torture as just the second person to be persecuted under the Patriot Act.
        All you who disagree, where am I wrong?

        Just ONE fact about the WTC. There was obvious evidence of explosions: human bone fragments whose DNA tied them to the victims of the towers on 9/11 were found on the roof of the Deutsche Bank Building in 2008. The Bank was already passed by the airliners before the WTC was hit and was more than 600 feet away. The ONLY way those remains could have gotten blown onto that roof was by explosions.
        Huge steel beams were forcefully cast into nearby structures with such violent power they were observed sticking out like porcupine quills.
        Squibs were seen coming out at regular and synchronized intervals well below the point where the structures had descended.
        Columns at the base of the structures were photographed. They were cut off on straight diagonals and had had molten metal which had dripped down on their outside surfaces, just as would take place in Controlled Demolition. This was before the “clean-up ” had reached them. Furthermore, if they had been torched, the molten metal would not have solidified like candle wax. Instead the force of the flame would have ejected the drippings from their surface.
        The debris piles contained still molten metals for WEEKS after 9/11. Jet fuel, which is a hydrocarbon, does NOT get hot enough to cause this and does not contain its own oxygen supply which would be ESSENTIAL to keep the combustion process going while buried deeply.

        OK, if you aren’t a sheeple who believes our government’s lies, debunk these facts or any others you wish to expose me and substantiate the government’s CONSPIRACY THEORY that around 19 (The number should have changed when some were found alive but was kept the same) alleged hijackers did all that destruction, causing sky scrapers to defy past and future skyscraper fires, and cause the WTC towers including Building Seven which was not hit by an airplane, to fall symmetrically at near the speed of gravity in tiny fragments except for the steel beams which were cut into conveniently regular sections to be carted away BEFORE forensic investigation by a company called CONTROLLED DEMOLITION, INC. (The same one that carted away the Oklahoma City Bombing debris).

      • Charlie

        Waco Britt,,,
        The Bible was the first Law book in America , read the Mayflower Compact,,,that’s why the Pilgrims came to America for Bible Freedom… BUT,,, the new leaders have to be “Real” Christians per The Book, and have to publicly declare King Jesus Christ as their Commander and God… Can anyone name a better Law Book and King ???
        Meanwhile……….. Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation.

        Charlie Freedom

    • littledog94

      The first sign of a troll is using all caps. It is also a sign of weakness as is choosing to hide in the shadow of an obviously corrupt political and financial system. As Mr. Smith so eloquently states you are a classic example of a sheeple or a troll.

    • kimo3690

      OH MY OH MY…. Look what we have here……… OH MY!!

  • Corkey

    I never read long winded comments from anyone who uses the “Capitals Lock”, Brandon.

    • Karolyn

      OMG! Shun the “Caps-lock Person!”

      • Corkey

        Negroes??? What is this, the 1950′s or something?

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Some times it is best to ignore shouting bully’s and their fan club. Get my drift?

    • Karolyn

      Corkey – We who have been on this site a long time have come to accept certain people’s idiosyncrocies. The message is what matters.

  • http://n/a dan

    It proves once again that it is a fool’s errand to try to use truth and logic to educate a Liberal Sheeple. Good try Brandon.

    • Warrior

      When truth and logic are not effective………….use children……….it’s all about them you know.

      “The state must declare the child to be
      the most precious treasure of the people.
      As long as the government is perceived as
      working for the benefit of the children,
      the people will happily endure almost any
      curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.”
      Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler

      • Capitalist at Birth

        Great analogy. I doubt that the sheeple will understand that. Sad but true.

    • eddie47d

      Who said Brandon was zeroing in on Liberals when there are an equal number of Conservative sheeple. Those who blindly accept every headline article posted here, every word that comes out of Glenn Beck’s mouth is from God himself, that Limbaugh is a saint and that Alex Jones never utters a dishonest word. Look under Predictable Responses: “When confronted with their own failings they will follow pre programed list of responses meant to divert and confuse the discussion”. If you were all honest you would realize we all do it Liberal,Conservative so it doesn’t matter.

      • Karolyn

        eddie – Right. As I already posted, there are sheeple on both sides of the fence. There are varying degrees of everything. There are liberals who lean to the middle or right; there are conservatives to might be in the middle; there are independents that might be more liberal; as well as independents who lean more to the right. We are not the sum of our labels.

        • Deerinwater

          Hmm? ~ “sheeple” seem to imply one is being “lead” ~ (to me)

          I really don’t know of anyone that has not been “lead”. ~~

          Anyone that believe otherwise is naive , to say the least.

          For anyone to say one is not presently being “lead” ~ is little more then a boast of ones own “convictions” , assuming that their convictions might be better then yours.

          Like voting for instance, ~ No one “wants” to vote for a “loser”, ~ but ~ do they support who they want to win, or who they believe will win? ~ Well? are they not one and the same? How could that be?

          It’s very easy to believe a lie if that’s what you “desire” to believe. ~ but this belief does little to change a falsehood into the truth. ~ reality? altered reality? . ~ Mystery and Magic, political science/ illusions of “winning” ~ Winning a ticket to hell and looking forward to the trip!

          As young children we are exposed to stories about the power of illusion, “Cinderella” one my all time favorites, ~ and then there was the “Emperor’s Fine Cloths” , spun from thread so fine that only the “brightest” among us might even possess the ability see it! Everybody whats to be seen as “bright” , permitting only the most unpretentious to see the truth.

          So we have “sheeple” leading “sheeple” ~ claiming that they are not “sheeple” ~ which is again just another lie.

          Lies seem to come cheaper by the dozen.

      • JeffH

        Speaking of sheeple, eddie says DUH! You have a choice: to be taught by others or to learn for ourselves. At the end of the day, sheeple are sheeple not because they have to be, but because they want to be.

        FYI, sorry you missed it but Glenn Beck is a patriotic American who is doing more, with his own money, to educate the masses about God and country through his radio show and especilly through his cable cannel,Blaze TV. Using facts and honesty in his delivery are some of Beck’s greatest strengths.

      • deerinwater

        Oh JeffH , I’m sorry to hear you say that. ~ I thought you a wiser person.

        Glenn Beck , is a Attention whore and a very good one! His appeal is to “Like minds” that share a long and sorted history of dysfunction behavior from birth forward. A survivor of Suicide, not one but two mothers, one girlfriend. ~ On his second wife ~ I hope she make it. ~~ A man with a set of Jumper Cables in his hand, always tiring to always start something.

        Glenn Beck has no limits ! ~ Much like Jim Jones.. He will embarrass you if he enjoys much more success before he is done.

      • JeffH

        Fear not deer, I ain’t buyin’ it. I’m wise enough and have the inherent ability to make my own good judgements and I just don’t see things the same way you do. I still like Palin, the grassroots tea Party, the Constitution, guns, my SUV and find Beck to be an honest refreshing and dedicated voice of freedom and liberty and a shining example of a true educator on the principles bestowed upon us by our founding fathers.

        • deerinwater

          Well, ~ They are both there for you Jeff. ~I’d like to be wrong on this ~ but I just don’t think so.

          So, ~ why do you think they both are now in political backwater while both invited center stage, a platform and a budget only a few years ago? ~

          Are you subscribing to Brandon Smith Original Thread Posting, ~ that the “conservative thread ” so shear and fine that constitutes Tea Party thinking , only the most bright minds among us can even see it , much less understand it? All the rest but sheeple waiting to be sheared as the Tea Party is called up to haven?

          Well? ~ we can disagree without being disagreeable .

          Glenn clearly has an appeal ~ to some, as does Howard Sterns and Evil Knievel or Robert Tilton.

          It’s a big world ~ room for all.

      • eddie47d

        Apparently Jeff H was absent when Glenn Beck rambled on about his Utopian America and his politically correct American community. That all houses would have grassy lawns facing and connecting each other and cars would be in the back. Okay that may be a nice vision. Then he goes on to say that in his America there would “no longer be hot dogs, beer or fireworks displayed during the 4th of July celebrations”. Oh yes, Beck is guaranteed to say grand patriotic things and then immediately brings it all down with something stupid! Beck is also famous for using dishonest propaganda props in the background. Yes Jeff the SHEEPLE follow his every word too instead of thinking!

      • JeffH

        So says the Jabberwocky! What a joke!

  • http://www.facebook.com/banjojack82 Jack Penland

    It saddens me to agree with you, this is what I have been saying for some time. I wonder if this is not an inherited genetic trait, waiting to be brought forth by conditioning. I have never been able to understand those who put blind faith in “AUTHORITY.” This “AUTHORITY,” of course, is faceless, omniscient, and usually benevolent, except when angered by disobedient sheeple. Sheeple are, at heart, cowards who are afraid to make any decisions or take any responsibility for themselves or their actions, thinking that this “AUTHORITY” is certainly more qualified to make decisions and take actions for them. Lack of courage? Intelligence? Confidence? Who knows?

    • Sarah

      Thank God it’s not inherited genetics. My parents were Democrats and big union believers. Three siblings. Only one is like my parents.

      • http://Yahoo Maynard

        Sarah, are you one of the plutocracy? If not, why would you be anti-Unions which gained rights and decent wages for workers? Try reading “The Jungle” by Upton Sinclair. Capitalists look only at the bottom line and will give the people who bring their investments to reality as little as they can. That is why so many of them have fled this country for places where they can take advantage of people who have no power to defend themselves and have to take what they can get. Of course, the fact that those people also have no power to protect their environments is another way the Capitalists can cut costs. Who cares if they are leaving unhealthy cesspools, air unfit to breathe, water poisonous to the skin and undrinkable? Who cares if our very Earth is losing the battle against human technological “advances” and is rapidly becoming less and less able to sustain life, when PROFITS are to be made?
        But technology is not an enemy in itself. Technology is the result of the scientific method and that method can and has been able to turn water into hydrogen and oxygen. The hydrogen can be extracted by a new process now called “artificial photosynthesis,” using free sunlight and could quickly supplant filthy fossil fuels as our main source of energy. It would have only one byproduct which is pure, clean water vapor. Will it happen? Not if the ignorant, greedy capitalists can continue their monopolistic control of government. Why would they willingly give up their source of enormous profits – filthy fossil fuels? They won’t as their investments in lobbyists, propaganda, advertising and battle to preserve ignorance shows.
        And sheeple such as yourself will bleat your approval as we slowly poison and suffocate life on this Earth, our only usable home in the Universe.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Maynard, why shouldn’t we be against Unions? They were never to help any people. Get over your stupidity. Unions were nothing more than predacious behaviors once the emotions wore off.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Penland, sheep are beautiful animals in all their varieties BUT they are rather stupid and stubborn.

  • Jim B

    It was never our fate to be governed by plutocracy, ever! To many of our citizens, whether it be their ignorance or denial, have come to depend on the government for the feeble crumbs of sustenance they’ve been provided under the guise of patriotism, fair share, and my favorite… looking out for the middle class and the poor. I know the government can only provide poverty, you have to be blind not to see it too. It’s time the focus be turned on all government entities, both parties. We have experienced their century long debacle that they call governing. It was not what this country was founded on, they have been wrong, and we have been wrong to listen to them for so long. We must turn our focus now on the cause of or ills, we should not let them separate themselves in our preview any longer. The correction is not either or, it’s all of it. It’s 17 Trillion dollars of unknown spending of unearned income. It’s corrupted government agencies, societal police (IRS, DHS, DTF, EPA, TSA……), blatant duplicity, and over payments of most every service it provides.

    I urge all those concerned to no longer smear your fellow citizens in this fight to restore a proper government. Instead refer to government, all sides of government, for what they are, for what they have become… corruptions, greed, and incompetence can no longer be tolerated if we want our independence, liberties, and freedoms restored. We must act before they spend Trillions more of our futures. Allowing them to corrupt the second amendment is their pathway to unabated spending and complete economic destruction of this nation.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004616403711 James Camargo

    “Cursed is the man that trust in man” (Bible). If one does the will of God, one will do well in this perverse and self righteous world. What is the will of God? For too many it’s far to much work and effort to read and study scripture, where laws of conduct , morality, and self control are found. Sheeple would rather listen to so called educated sheeple, carnal in evaluation and conclusion. ” the carnal mind is at enmity with righteous God”. A sensual individual is torn between lust and truth, unstable in all there ways. Seek life. Seek truth.

  • Jan Pence

    OMG, you cannot argue with ignorance, some people are never going to get the truth of where this country is headed…and I am not in the over 60 group. Thanks for your article Brandon, very well said. And Christopher, while the slaves did not have the ability to free themselves financially and otherwise, THANK GOODNESS for the conservative Republican party whose conscience moved them to free the slaves.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Sadly your analysis is errant. I too once thought of Abraham Lincoln as the Great Emancipator. Sadly, if you research the true history, you will find that the slaves were freed to bring the War to an end and insure dominance of the south by the northern States. Some may have actually cared about all of the inherent moral problems with slavery, but for most, it was a matter bringing more Federal control over those rebels of the South. King George would have admired the Federalists.

  • Howard C

    CAH, You back peddle. First you say we should obay the laws, then you say that this nation needs to be completely rebuilt. Which is it??

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “Howard C,”

      IN REFERENCE TO THOSE COMMENTS, I WAS NOT INCLUDING MYSELF; I HAVE “SECEDED!”

      • S.C.Murf

        You finally made that popping sound fantastic.

        up the hill
        airborne

      • Brandon Smith

        @Chris

        So, you have “seceded”, but you expect the rest of us to abide by a corrupt government and unconstitutional law because the “majority” is comfortable? The hypocrisy of the common sheeple rears its ugly head yet again…

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        Brandon Smith,

        SIR, SINCE “sheeple” IS YOUR MANTRA – SURELY – YOU DO NOT OPPOSE THOSE WHO HAVE “WASHED AMERICA OFF THEIR HANDS.”

      • Brandon Smith

        @Chris

        No, I expect a “secessionist” to not be hypocritical and expect the rest of us to pander to corrupt government authority.

  • Annie

    We have a nation of “narcissistic great self-image” young 20′s/30′s something people (sheeple) and ALL of them with their so called “self-image’ cannot Read or Write or do basic Math or even have any clue on how to deductively reason. AND that generation of narcissistic self-image 20′s/30′s something people are all being led by that diabolic 50 something narcissistic great self-imaged prez.
    Yep folks, our country IS going to hell in a handbasket. This also reminds me of that kid in the movie “The Sixth Sense” who said that he sees dead people and they don’t even know they’re dead. Well, I see really stupid and ignorant narcissistic young adults and they don’t even know they are stupid and ignorant and narcissistic. Ah but, they sure do have a great self-image even though they are more stupid than a box of rocks.

    • Howard C

      While I agree with you that this country is going to hell in a hand basket, i have to disagree with you about 20s/30s year olds. I am a 32yr old man and i understand where this country is headed. I work at a Nuclear Power Plant therefore for you to say what said is offbase. I agree that the public school system is dumbing down our society but at the same time there are a lot of young people that see the writing on the wall and don’t like it. Everything that is happening in this country is a calculated plan bring about the downfall of our nation from the idiocy that is “reality” TV, to the disinformation that is the MSM, to the ’2′ party system.

      • Annie

        You see Howard, you make my point. I said, I see so many 20′s/30′s something walking around with a great self-image but they can’t read or write or do basic math or even begin to deductively reason.
        At 32, you are absolutely a product of that “we must make sure our kids have a great self-image, but education in all of the basics be damned” Come on Howard, do you not see how huge a product of those insanely ‘dumbed down’ public schools you are? Because you work in a nuclear powered plant does NOT, in any way, speak to your literacy whatsoever. But the mere fact that YOU think it does, makes my point remarkably.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Howard C, why are we supposed to be impressed because you work in a Nuclear Power Plant? We didn’t ask you where you worked and yet you told us, why?

      • Howard C

        Do you have any idea of the amount of education that is required to do the job that I do?? Obviously not!! Ignorrance is chosen. You have no clue and for you to call an entire generation stupid proves your own stupidity. Laziness is the bigger culpret. I took 2 math classes and 2 science classes every year of high school because I saw the usefulness. I joined the Navy out of high school to get training in Nuclear Power (2years of training) because I knew it would get a high paying job when I was done with my enlistment. You personally attack me because I disagree with you?? Come off it B****. There a lot of lazy people in this country and the public school system will teach anyone willing to learn, but you as a student of these schools must actively seek the knowledge. I agreed the schools are dumbing down those who are laziness enough to let them. Unfortunatly there are a lot those people who are willing to let themselves be dumbed down.

      • Howard C

        2 years of military training which is equivalent to 3 to 4 years of civilian training. Then to go to a submarine and spend another 1 1/2 years training to be qualified to operate the nuclear plant. As a civilian it takes another 2 years to go through licensing school to be approved by the NRC to operate a civilian nuclear plant so that you can have electricity at your house and work place and get on Bob Livingston and insult people.

    • Stephan F.

      Bravo!

      • Stephan F.

        To Annie that is.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Howard C., we know how much education it takes but you are quite arrogant and assume that we are all ignorant dolts. You prove Brandon is right about what he wrote.

      • Charlie

        Howard C, has done some things in life that very few think and plan that far ahead,,,you certainly cannot compare to his intelligence or planning,,,so,,,let Howard C brag on , I enjoyed hearing it because My older brother spent 4 years in the USN and I know what he said is very close to Truth, if not actual facts………………………..

  • Greg

    “To be successful as human beings requires us to be on the right side of truth more often than we are not.” This may have once been true but is certainly no longer the case because, today, we have the great nanny state that protects sheeple from the consequences of their own poor choices and actions.

  • Sarah

    He has just described some of my relatives. There is no hope for them. I know. I’ve tried. You can lead a liberal to facts but you can’t make him think.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      If you don’t mind, I will use that phrase: ” You can lead a liberal to facts, but you can’t make him think! ” If you don’t mind. Thank you for a brilliant metaphor.

    • eddie47d

      It could just as easily be said that “you can lead Conservatives to facts but you can’t make them think” . Conservatives have a difficult time “admitting anything” as Brandon Smith mentioned as a fault. Conservatives continually bring up false conspiracy theories so that means they don’t always endorse “concrete information” as Brandon mentioned.Brandon also said a person has to have “compassion,humanity and reason”. I see that lacking in way too many commentors who strictly follow the articles headlines and don’t think beyond that. ( sheeple anyone!) Conservatives do love throwing the word “Freedom” around (like they alone have ownership) yet continually deny that freedom to those they don’t like.

      • Capitalist at Birth

        To what conspiracy theories do you refer? What are the concrete facts to which you refer? Can you back up your claims with evidence? Or, is this just another poor attempt on your part to confuse the issue with hyperbole?

      • eddie47d

        How about your attack against Ron Paul and saying he supports open borders which was totally misinterpreted by you. How about the myth of gun free zones in schools when it has nothing to do with having school security (yet so many believe that). How about when someone yesterday said that the UN has hundreds of vehicles on USA soil so I went and looked it up. It turned out to be hundreds of KIA auto vehicles lined up on an old Florida runway now being used as a business park. The picture was photo shopped by Internet troublemakers who put UN markers on the roofs of the cars. The owner of the business park was interviewed for the real facts. Some of you are way too gullible.

      • alpha-lemming

        You’re confusing “Freedom” with “Redistribution”…..AGAIN !!!

    • Don 2

      Sarah,

      Your last line made me chuckle…..so true.

  • John

    If Bernanke continues his forty billion dollars a month inflation scheme, the sheeple will be taken care of naturally through economic disaster. Go economic disaster!

    • littledog94

      That would be $85b/mth.

  • leslie

    Love your article! Keep up the spreading of truth!

  • Howard C

    John, That economic disaster could take care of you as well.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      Some of us have been preparing for a long time. Myself, it has been 55 years to be exact. Are you prepared? I doubt it.

      • Howard C

        I am preparing, but do I believe that I am completely prepared? No. I think that it impossible to be completely prepared, but I pray to the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob that He gives me wisdom, courage, and ability to protect and defend my family when thee coming disaster finally happens. My point was that one should not wish for such things.

  • FreedomFighter

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    Listen to the above – get some truth – very refreshing.

    WARNING: the above broadcast may scare the $%#@ out of you.

    Laus Deo
    Semper FI

    • JeffH

      Edwin Vieira: Preface To “The Sword And Sovereignty”

      Today, common Americans have arrived at the point where “indifference” is no longer an option for which the social cost in treasure—and, perhaps, blood as well—will likely be bearable. The crisis is upon them at this very moment, intensifying with each passing day. And unless they are willing to witness their country’s destruction, and themselves to suffer the horrendous consequences of that débâcle, they must pick up and put to effective use the tools the Constitution has provided for them, no matter how heavy those tools may seem to be at first. When they do, rather than recoiling in “disgust” and “contempt”, they will swell with admiration and give profound thanks for the foresight of the Founding Fathers in incorporating “the Militia of the several States” into the original Constitution, and guaranteeing through the Second Amendment “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms” for their use in “well regulated Militia” that can provide “the security of a free State” everywhere within America. – – Dr. Edwin Vieira, Jr.
      http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2013/01/22/edwin-vieira-preface-to-the-sword-and-sovereignty/

      The Sword And Sovereignty, and the movie, MOLON LABE, which is even now growing out of that book, together bring an encouraging grasp on the supreme solution to save our country from the jaws of statist socialism and power-elite fascism – a full return to the Constitution with emphasis on the Second Amendment and with special emphasis on reinstating the Constitutional Militia of the several States as the way to place the power of American governance back into the hands of the people. The Constitution reveals clearly that our security as a free state rests with the Militia. Dr. Vieira’s book brings to life a resurrected understanding and renewed acceptance of our duty as self-governing citizens in a Republic of law, and shows us how and why we are to accept individual responsibility for our security as a nation.

  • johno

    The one thing in the article I disagree with is that we have a choice. We are all sheeple whether you like to admit it or not. Those revolting are being pushed into the same corral as the rest of the flock. It’s just that they are holding back thinking there is a chance to escape to some sort of freedom.

    As with sheep when they get too far from the herd out come the dogs which in our world would be the I.R.S. or any host of gov’t. agencies that can find fault with any one for any myriad of reasons.

    I don’t know if the plot is Satanic or Illuminati or aliens or just a bunch of very smart men but the trap seems unavoidable. The sheep that get the best treatment are the ones that just go along.

    • Brandon Smith

      If there is no choice, then there would be no conflict. People across the country would not be standing up. Sheriffs and police officers in New York would not be standing up in outright defiance against the Safe Act gun ban. Military men and women would not be voicing their dissent in the face of possible government retribution.

      There is ALWAYS a choice. Truth, or lies. Freedom, or slavery. Liberty, or tyranny. We can choose to participate in the corruption, or, we can choose to fight it.

      • kimo3690

        AMEN Brother ~ Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death (Patriot Patrick Henry), I still have a choice!

      • johno

        The only conflict is amongst ourselves. Those in charge don’t care about our conflicts: they create them. The taxes are wrong but who dares not to file. Try to start a business without getting the right permits. Try to build something without inspections. Every thing we do is controlled.

        Those that stand up will be harrassed or defamed by the very people they are standing up for. If any get too close to doing some good you’ll get another Ruby Ridge or at least a tax audit. If the feds show up at your door for your guns they will get them. I’d say the gov’t. is out of control but the fact is they have perfect control.

  • ibcamn

    I don’t drink Obama’s kool-aide,anyone who does is sheeple,listen to how he words what he says,(at the teleprompter)if he goes off prompter,he makes NO sense what so ever,ever notice that!people pulling at the strings,henchmen,michele,pelosi,etc…they all drank(by the picture)Obama’s kool-aid and liked it!this man is the worst thing to happen to this country,and yes i know,you don’t believe me,don’t care,you have nothing to do with my family and no say in what i do when i do it or anything.i havn’t drank this idiots kool-aid and my family has no intension of doing so.we will fight and Obama know this that’s why he has to decieve America to get this far.(he only won in states that you didn’t need a I.D. to vote)geeze,kids figured that one out too!when it comes to the surface,sheeple will feel,well,sheepish!(not to mention stupid)this is why he just simply refuses to tell the truth,not only thin skinned but likes to hid behind children and women!no much of a leader.he just ignores things till it’s too late,blames someone else then moves on with his nose in the air!he won’t even do his budget report,he’s late again as usual,thin skinned people must be lazy and want it all without working for it!he seems to follow that way of thinking,rob(take) from someone who worked for their money.when something goes wrong,blame someone else!likes to flash all his toys and waste money on things he doesn’t need!so with this train of thought,people think wow,i can do that too?!i want to be a sheeple too,where’s the kool-aid?

    • eddie47d

      You are what Brandon Smith is warning us about. “Weak arguments”! “ad hominem attacks and physical attacks” , “so they don’t have to engage in a legitamite debate”. You display it well!

      • JeffH

        Another classic eddie, the pot calling the kettle…hypocrit!

      • eddie47d

        Jeff H the double dealing hypocrite says the same tom foolery day after day. ZZZZZZZZ!Trust me Jeff if you had said it I would have pointed you out first!

      • ibcamn

        what’s up Eddie?,the truth kinda rub you the wrong way today?this is my opinion,and like an a$$ hole they all stink,if you don’t like it,too bad,it’s mine,plug your nose and live with it!you spout your way of thinking all the time, and Jeff is right,you are the hypocrite.do you even read what you write?……1st amendment allows both of us to be here!

      • http://DWFields.com DWFields

        What truth, ibcamn? You didn’t even make a coherent argument. You rambled so badly nothing you said made sense.

    • kimo3690

      YEP YEP YEP Well said Brother!! TY

  • Old Sully

    We are all sheep we just belong to different flocks.

    Jesus Christ said “I am the good shepherd who lays down his life for his sheep”, Yet those of His flock are also free for He said “If the Son shall set you free you shall be free indeed. Jesus also said “I am the way the truth and the life no one comes to the Father except through Me”. The one that Jesus frees, He also empowers to speak His Truth. Peter and John when commanded by the political and religious leaders not to speak the Truth of Christ, boldly declared “We must obey God rather then men”. It is possible to have chains on the outside and be free on the inside. The Christians in the Middle East know this as a fact of life.

    The antichrist governments of our time are lead by people powered by their own lusts. They go by many names: Illuminati, Marxists, Muslim or Homosexual Activists. They are all evil shepherds. They devour their flocks, cull the herd through man made poverty, famine, disease and war. These are the so-called elitists, the international bankers, multinational corporations, political upper crust – the “New World Order”.

    They are ardently working to destroy Christian based Western Civilization by marginalizing the influence to the Church, destroying the family, and the free market economy (uncontrolled enterprise). They are succeeding. Remember their mantra “Thesis X Antithesis X Crisis = Synthesis”.

    What these evil shepherds do not know is they are dead on the inside. There is a day of Judgment, the second death, the lake of fire where the flames do not diminish or the worm die.

    • Nadzieja Batki

      Old Sully, sheep variety is not the problem. It is the wolves in sheep’s clothing masquerading as sheep that is the problem. Once they get into the fold then it is a matter of “hello lunch”.

      • kimo3690

        AbsolutelY!! Well said!!

  • Sue

    Let’s change a few words and re-read… OBAMA know
    s that HE do not have the capacity to defend the system if confronted by an intelligent and well-versed opponent, so HE developS a demeanor of arrogance and contempt for those who question it. This uppity manner is a defense mechanism meant to hide the weakness of their arguments. Combined with ad hominem attacks and physical threats, OBAMA tryS to ward off critics so they do not have to engage in a legitimate debate HE know HE will lose.

    • kimo3690

      NAILED IT SUE!!!

    • http://DWFields.com DWFields

      Strangely, it is Obama who has been winning the debates when he is directly involved. What does that say about his opponents?

  • http://www.facebook.com/elton.robb Elton Robb

    I know some sheeple in my family. I fight with one daily it seems. She’s trying to put me to sleep, again. I’m trying to wake her up. She voted for Obama, for reasons that are incomprehensible. I voted for Gary Johnson, for reasons comprehensible to me at least. At least Jesus is on the move.

    The time is quickly approaching where we will all be faced with a choice. I’m afraid that national famine is going to make that choice harder than we’d all expect it to be.

    • eddie47d

      Gary Johnson may have been a wise choice yet Jesus Christ would equally love Barack Obama. Neither gentlemen are a 5 star yet there is no perfect human except Jesus himself.

    • Wellarmed

      I can only assume that you also grew tired of being shovel fed the same line of BS that our two party system seems incapable of breaking away from.

      I am not as concerned about food shortage, as much as the ability of the dollar to purchase sufficient quantity. When the value is more suited to use said dollar when checking the oil on my trucks dipstick as that will serve a higher purpose.

      I do not see North Korean “leaders” or the top military commanders of that socialist utopian Dictatorship as starving by any means, regardless of how worthless their currency appears.

      Many of those who post comments cannot comprehend what the degree of starvation exists in that country and how we are about to be subjected to a similar fate.

      This will not be a natural, but man made event, which is crafted to give the impression of how the Government IS the sole means when all else fails and it is merely one more tool needed to solidify the last vestiges of power over the American People.

      Do not only be prepared, but be prepared to survive and thrive while stationary or on the move. Neither position should be viewed as failure or success, but as a means to and end. As I have said before; one cannot fight for the cause of Liberty from the depth of six feet below earth.

  • Mary

    We the people; not we the sheeple. The government works for us. Wake up Americans.

    • steve

      the government has never work for you . they have stolen ( spent ) all the money ever collected and you can’t do jack about it. wake up. your screwed.

    • Capitalist at Birth

      How old are you? You are either under the influence of some drug or you have been living in a dream world for how ever many years you have been alive.

    • kimo3690

      AMEN Mary!!! We The People are in charge NOT the government…. hence the word: Public Servants…….. sad to say our elected officials do not “serve” the People anymore….

  • david

    Simple Christopher has succeeded in marring the entire conversation by using his Lap dog two step tactics and still has yet to answer simple questions
    Should be sheared as the sheeple he is

  • Mad-Rad

    Awesome article Brandon, and I’m 30. Most of my friends read you, and were not in are 60′s. Keep being rad my friend.

    • http://DWFields.com DWFields

      At least try to show you’re educated–or you only prove that you, too, are a sheep.

      To re-write, “Most of my friends read you, and we’re not in our 60′s”.

  • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

    I fully understand what M. Smith is saying but there are forces at work molding the American people to what they want. Back in the 40′s there were devout socialist college professors, one named John Dewey bragged about turning 35,000 young people to his thinking. His “students” became teachers / indoctinators. Lenin said: People think in words and how they interpret words is who they are. We must invent words and change the meaning of words to mold people to what we want. Homosexuals became gays. The black panthers introduced the expession Blacks and so on. Government schools became halls of indoctrination. Better that people went to the same school that Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Edison did than government schools. Most of us are products of government schools. The government keeps pounding on education, education> They don’t want people smart. They want people’s minds to be politically correct so that their bodies will do what they want. Enlightened people must educate, open people’s mind to enlightenment. not criticize. “I am smarter tha NO man in that I can learn from all of them”.

  • TML

    Well written article Brandon, although I will correct only one thing.

    “When confronted with their own failings, they will follow a pre-programmed list of responses meant to divert and confuse discussion. They will claim that… …the “truth is relative.” History does not support this twisted view, however. There are always moments in which some people are morally and intellectually correct, while many others are dangerously misguided. Some people make decisions that lead to chaos and destruction while others make decisions that lead to prosperity and creation. The truth — the cold, hard truth — is not relative. It is unyielding, uncompromising and final. To be successful as human beings requires us to be on the right side of truth more often than we are not. To assume that the truth is malleable to our particular desires of the moment is to always be on the wrong side.”

    You are talking about “fact” here, not truth. Always remember that a fact is always true, but a truth is not always a fact. Truth is relative, especially when you are talking about morality, because morality by nature is subjective – it requires emotion to make the judgment. The cold, hard, unyielding, uncompromising and final truth is not truth, but rather, objective fact ascertained through knowledge. People throughout history have claimed to be the only barer of the cold, hard, unyielding, uncompromising final truth, especially in regards to religion, and so have also committed many atrocities throughout history as a result all in the name of a “truth”. It is for that reason that it is important to make the distinction that the only unwavering truth, is the objective fact.

    • Karolyn

      Amen, TML! Thank you!

  • Capitalist at Birth

    Great article, Mr. Smith. I have signed up at your web site and hope to continue my enlightenment. Thank you.

  • Louis Lemieux

    Sheeple can be a word easily used by those who are frustrated by an incessant majority that doesn’t share their political views. It helps reinforcing their belief: “I’m right and you have to be wrong“. Having political opinions different than yours doesn’t make us sheeples.

    • Karolyn

      The same term can be appied to both “sides.”

      • Louis Lemieux

        True, Karolyn, but it’s more easily used by those who have been frustrated for so long!

    • Brandon Smith

      @Louie

      And yet, throughout history there have always been people who were right, and usually a “majority” that are wrong on one issue or another. You are using a common sheeple argument, which is that the “truth is relative”. Sorry, it is not, as history has shown. So, what do we call those people who remain willfully ignorant (or comfortably oblivious) in the face of the facts and follow along with the herd (the mainstream) to the detriment of the truth?

      We call them sheeple…

      • 45caliber

        “truth is relative”

        The libs have been trying to teach us that since the early 60′s. But truth is not relative. For instance, when a girl is pregnant, she either is or she is not. There are no relatives. One school taught a class that insisted that even Hitler was right some of the time and all his decisions therefore should be “truth” even if we disagree with them. There is no truth that insists that 12 million innocent people should be exterminated yet they were taught that there was. Truth is NEVER in shades of grey. It is always right or wrong. But if these “leaders” can insist that it is relative then, like weather forcasters who insist there is a “50% change of rain”, they are ALWAYS right even when they are wrong. So the sheeple will continue to follow them…

        • Deerinwater

          ” For instance, when a girl is pregnant, she either is or she is not. There are no relatives”

          Hmm? No mother and father in law ! I like it!

      • TML

        “When a girl is pregnant, she either is or she is not. There is no relative”

        That would more properly be called a fact.

        “Insisted that even Hitler was right some of the time and all his decisions therefore should be “truth” even if we disagree with him”

        While I disagree that because he was correct sometime, that all his decisions should be considered true; he did make some factual statements even if we disagree with them on a moral basis. “The leader of genius has the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belong to one category”-”Terrorism iss the best political weapon, for nothing drives people harder than the fear of sudden death” – Adolf Hitler

        “It is always right or wrong”

        Nay, when you are talking about fact, it is correct or incorrect. When you talk about morality it is right and wrong. Is it ‘wrong’ toro magnetic radiation is the only reason you perceive color, thus the ball is “truely” no color at all? (Such as if you were to shine a red light on a green ball in a dark room the ball appears black) murder? Is it ‘wrong’ to kill the killer? Is it a fact that the ball in the middle of the room is green? Or is it a fact that elect

      • TML

        Sorry… technical difficulty

        That should have read, “Is it wrong to murder? Is it wrong to kill the killer? Is it a fact that the ball in the middle of the room is green? Or is it a fact that electromagnetic radiation is the only reason you perceive color, thus the ball is “truly” no color at all? (Such as when you shine a red light at a green ball it appears black)

        Its not a liberal thing

  • Justin

    Spot on!!!! Can I have this sent to my local scandal sheet here in town? i will pay to have it printed if I can get a copy. This puts into words, what most people in our society today are. This article just says what Libertarians and Constitutionalists think of Democrats and Republicans.

    • Steve E

      That is what I believe also.

  • Jay

    The Bible says, “There is a way which seems right unto men, but the end thereof are the ways of death.”

    • Charlie

      Jay,,,
      To make sure you’re not a sheeple ,give Scripture……………….

  • Nadzieja Batki

    Brandon, since sheep are prey animals and sheeple can be considered prey animals then that means we can and should name the predators that destroy both species.

    • http://DWFields.com DWFields

      As you wish. Wolves, Coyotes, Mountain Lions, Bears, Foxes and Cattlemen.

      Think about it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.guy.140 Michael Guy

    Every Roman Dictator since Julius Caesar
    kept up the pretext of a Roman republic by affixing the letters SPQR to their
    tyrannical decrees. For the Senate and the People of Rome The Roman tribunes and Senators were as ineffectual and
    vestigial after Cicero as our legislators seem to be. WE have a Socialist Sun
    King who can recite Louiis XIV with equal Vehemance ,”Etate c’est moi” I am the
    state. His Administration armed Mexican drug lords in Fast and Furious. The drug
    lords make their millions because this administrations gives welfare, SSI and
    EBT to addicts. This administration extorts your tax money from you and then
    gives it to parasites in the HHS welfare society so that these Obama voters will
    enhance the profits of violent drug gangs. So not only is tax money or loaned
    money from China filtered through to the vicious drug cartels, but Eric Holder
    even armed these gangs with the same weapons he wants to confiscate from
    conservative, Constitution loving, law-abiding American citizens. Add to this
    hyppocrisy the financial aid and arms sent to the Sunni Jihadist in the Muslim
    Brotherhood and you can see this Democratic Administration wants to arm
    Saudi-controlled, “Arab Spring” Sunni terrorist who will be killing Shia,
    Christians , Jews and socialists throughout the world, including America. But
    this Administration and its Democrats wnat to abrogate and nullifty our social
    contract, ie the Constitution with its Bill of Rights and confiscate property
    wto which citizens are entitled, especially the arms and ammunition owned by
    Christian, conservative, Constitution-loving Caucasians. Is this to make us
    subject serfs in a global Holy Roman Empire, ruled by elite liberal lords,
    Bolshevik bureaucrats and progressive plutocrats in the UN?

    • momo

      Interesting analysis.

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.guy.140 Michael Guy

    Speaking in Hyperbole I would conjecture there is an Anti-Christ Pentagram of Power controling this Adninistration and Senate.1) The Communist Chinese, 2)The UN,3) The Zionist plutocracy of Manhattan including the Fed, IMF and World Bank , 4) The Saudi arabian sheiks and their sunni terrorist in the Muslim Brotherhood, Pakistan, Afghanistan etc and the despotic un Constitutional bureaucracies and agencies of washington DC, especially the EPA. Eveeything done benefits some combination of this pentagram of Power at the expense of the liberty and prosperity of the conservative, Christian, Constitution-loving, capitalist , Caucasian middle class straight males of America.

    • cawmun cents

      What?
      I say this not to cause derision about what you have stated,but to communicate what I think the response by the lions share of individuals here will be.
      Only by making you smaller can some hope to enlarge and enrich themselves.
      You (the euphemism in your last sentence above) are being made irrelevant by those who estimate your threat as being high level.
      This creates a sense of empowerment in other people who for practical purposes enjoy no such real empowerment in their godforsaken lives.This is the aim and sole purpose of bolshevism,to make real what is not,and to make what is not real plausible.
      Thus giving a sense of pupose to those who otherwise lack such sensiblity.
      Only by making you smaller can some hope to enlarge and enrich themselves.
      Since you mean nothing now,and you are seen as an endangered species,the “change”that is being brought about is nearly complete.It will not die until you do,and you will be written off in the following historical account as having nothing but misery and woe attached to your legacy.
      Unfortunately the mass of humans alive now that see this occur will live to regret having given you this stipulation of historical note.They will fall prey to whatever inherent manipulations that are being planned for the society their progressive handlers are promising them.
      By then it will be too late to call upon you to help them out of their abyss.
      “Let them eat cake!”,said Marie.
      Thats not all they are going to eat.They will eventually consume each other.
      Cheers!
      -CC.

  • Johnnywrite

    Just love, “Never Questions The Professional Class.”
    Two years ago my 54 year old was in the hospital in terrible pain. Three nurses were standing about not 20 feet away. Two were joking and sharing gossip. The third was texting. I asked sternly if one of them could provide some comfort,or meds to my wife. Our so and his wife were there. She said, “You can’t talk that way to nurses!” I said an expletive and said as far as I was concerned they were paralegals.

    • Johnnywrite

      Whoops, missed the word “wife”

  • 45caliber

    Thinking is hard work. It is far easier to allow someone else to think for you. And there are plenty of people who are more than willing to do that. Schools teach the youth that the government will take care of them. Most believe that the government can think for them as well. So why bother learning what is actually going on when someone in the government – be it President or janitor – can simply tell you what to think? All you have to do is follow along with the rest of the herd and everything will be easier.

    Sheep believe this – which makes a sheep herder work harder. If one sheep can get through a hole in the fence, every other sheep there will do its best to do the same thing, regardless of what the herder tries to do to stop them even though he has their best interests (and protection) at heart. Sheeple have the same habits. For instance, it is obvious to those of us who think for ourselves that banning all guns will not solve any crime problems. But the sheeple believe that it will because someone in the government says it will. So they blindly follow.

    • http://DWFields.com DWFields

      Sheep will follow the Judas Goat into the slaughterhouse. Fortunately, we’ve only had a limited number of Judas Goats in the White House and they’ve stayed only 8 years at most each time–a short enough time that their successors have managed to end the slaughter.

    • http://Yahoo Maynard

      I am a liberal but that does not preclude thinking SARAH. Your assumption that liberals cannot think is both absurd and wrong-headed. I challenge you to out think me.
      Nor does it mean I am willing to give up our second amendment rights of bearing arms. “Bowling for Columbine”, Michael Moore’s academy award winning masterpiece showed me that having firearms did not equate with violence. Canadians were shown to have as many firearms per capita as we do in the US yet they were far less prone to blast each other. I believe some of the recent mass shootings were by persons manipulated by brain washing or mind control much as Sirhan Sirhan appears to have been in the assassination of RFK. The fatal shots that killed him were not from Sirhan Sirhan, by the way. He was never close enough or behind RFK yet Kennedy was killed by a bullet that entered in point blank range behind his right ear. Another liberal who threatened the military-industrial and bankster elite out of the way along with JFK, MLK, and John Lennon. Did you know the attempt on Reagan was by Bush’s political supporter’s son? They were Texas tycoons and neighbors yet Papa Bush claimed he did not know them while another brother of the would be killer was invited to a dinner party at one of Bush’s son’s houses that very weekend. Who benefited by intimidating or eliminating Reagan? (Answer: Bush)
      Why would the government manipulate people to kill innocents? Because they want the sheeple to say,” Oh My Goodness! We better give away all our guns so we can be safe.” Not while the government is stockpiling billions of bullets with the Homeland Security and even Social Security. Who do they think they are going to Shoot?
      It is quite clear that our government is more than willing to strip us of our freedoms. That has nothing to do with being conservative or liberal because it has been a bipartisan movement. It is true in the case of bearing arms more so called liberals go along with it. But not all, as I clearly prove. The Waco atrocity occurred under so-called liberal Bill Clinton. The USS Liberty atrocity occurred under so-called liberal LBJ as did the Gulf of Tonkin lie. But the Iran-Contra Affair took place under so-called Conservative Reagan-Bush as did the Incubator Babies lie used to get the sheeple behind the First Gulf War in Kuwait. Remember that the biggest ripoff of the Middle Class in history took place under Reagan-Bush – The Savings and Loan debacle which was where the savings and housing investments of the Middle Class were largely transferred to the rich. This was manipulated by regulation changes at the federal level. Neil Bush, the President’s son was in on the dismantling of a Colorado savings and loan. None of the perpetrators were prosecuted.
      The liberal vs. conservative dichotomy is basically just labeling. Coke vs. Pepsi. The AFL vs. the NFL, Ford vs. Chevy and so on.
      I call myself a liberal because I see the government as being of the people, not of the rich. Unfortunately, the latter is more and more true in the US every day. I see the resources of the world as belonging to all and they should be used to benefit all. I see no reason that any child brought onto this earth should want for a clean environment, food, shelter, education and medical care for the duration of its life.
      The child should be trained so that it can make valuable contributions to the best of its ability. I am not asking for a free ride for any but the most disabled. I know that the most productive people are those who have been able to get the proper diet and clean water, the health care and education, training and skills essential to maximize their interests, talents and creativity.(Instead of being a free loader, as many of you think liberals are, I was working since the age of fourteen and am still contributing past retirement as a volunteer helping ESL teachers.) To try to exclude anyone from being a part of this endeavor which human nature seems to indicate is an inherent part of our psyche is ridiculous. You can leave people hungry and homeless, sick and ignorant but you are not making yourself or society better or richer by doing so. You must see the human species as a whole, in its effects on the entire planet.That is why I am so concerned that we use our God given (You can substitute terms like “Inherent” or “Natural” for “God given” if you wish) intelligence to stop despoiling our Earth with filthy fossil fuels and nuclear wastes. We must turn to clean, widely available solar, wind, geo-thermal and hydrogen energy sources..We can no longer afford the luxury of allowing elite groups of Capitalists to base our priorities on their profits alone.
      By the way you Union haters – Unions helped the workers get decent working conditions and wages which enabled them to be more productive and better consumers buying the elite’s products. Weakening the Middle Class will only debilitate society as a whole. Weakening Unions clearly weakens the Middle Class.
      Brandon Smith has not called either liberals or conservatives as a group “Sheeple.” The term is derived from the magnificent satire “Animal Farm,” where the sheep unthinkingly bleat their support for the ruling Pigs, and this results in drowning out voices of dissent. I suggest you authority lovers read it. It is very short and to the point.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jim.chambers.986 Jim Chambers

    If this is true: “To be successful as human beings requires us to be on the right side of truth more often than we are not” how, then, do you explain Obama?

    • Brandon Smith

      Obama is not a successful human being. He is, however, a successful political puppet…

      • kimo3690

        EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • http://usmcinsurance.com edward Murphy

          Somebody BIG is pulling the strings,because the press are real soft on him,and he can not talk off the cuff,he needs his writers to talk.

      • http://Yahoo Maynard

        Quite true, Brandon SMITH. When I learned early in the campaign for the 2008 presidency that Obama had been a lawyer for Rezko, a Chicago wheeler dealer who had received government funding to build housing for the poor and had allowed that housing to deteriorate and made political campaign contributions while tenants were freezing from inadequate furnaces, I became suspicious. I began to see through Obama’s supposed compassion. When the Rezko’s helped the Obamas buy property next to their own at a cut-rate price and even sold half of their backyard to them, it was even clearer he was going to be indebted.
        I think Obama is highly intelligent and I could not care less that he is part Kenyan. I am interested that his parents on both sides seem to have had CIA connections and that he went to Occidental College which is CIA connected and got transferred to an elite Ivy League school with no apparent evidence of merit.
        I also do care that he appears to be liberal when it is convenient but still rolled over to sign the NDAA 2012 which he had said he would veto. Guess who visited him soon after in the White House? George, Sr. and Jeb Bush, just before attending the Alfalfa Club meeting. They probably congratulated him on how he had duped the citizenry into falling into yet another drastic subversion of our Constitution. Remember, Jeb had signed martial law for Florida THE WEEK BEFORE 9/11 in case of acts of “terrorism.”. Also, well connected to the Bushes, Paul Bremer, and Bush cousin Jim Pierce conveniently failed to work in the Twin Towers that tragic day.

        Larry Silverstein and his two adult offspring were coincidentally AWOL at their WTC work sites as well. Larry had shown remarkable business acumen when he heavily insured the towers for acts of “terrorism” and received a several billion dollar pay day as a result. He also avoided the extremely expensive cost of having to remove the asbestos which in itself would have cost billions. Do you “debunkers” still think we “Truthers” are idiots?

        What about Dick Cheney who admitted on Meet the Press September 16, 2001 that he was in the White House Bunker when the Pentagon was hit and the 9/11 Commission changed history to say he did not get there till 10:00. Norman Mineta, Secretary of Transportation had testified under oath that he saw Cheney there when he arrived at about 9:15. Cheney never testified under oat and Minetta’s testimony conveniently did not make the 9/11 Commission’s cut. Remember, its Executive Director was Bush Insider and co-author with Condoleeza Rice, dual US Israeli citizen Norman Zelikow. Mineta observed Cheney receiving updates that Fl 77 was approaching and yet there was no action to evacuate or defend until the part of the Pentagon where accountants were looking for 2.3 TRILLION DOLLARS that Rumsfeld had declared unaccounted for ONE DAY EARLIER was “hit” KILLING MANY OF THOSE ACCOUNTANTS. To hit that first floor target, Fl 77 had to make an expert level turn and dive by a pilot who couldn’t pass a flight test to rent a Cessna just a month before.
        THE ENTRY HOLE WAS NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR A 767 yet it purportedly penetrated through to the third ring. An airliner nose is made of aluminum and could not possibly have pierced so many layers of recently reinforced concrete to make a small round hole in the C-ring. No wings, no Rolls Royce engines, no tail section. One engine that was NOT from a 767.
        WITHIN FIVE MINUTES, The FBI confiscated private video tapes that would have shown what actually hit that target.
        Also quite revealing, at the Moussaoui terror trial in 2006, the FBI reported that the Barbara Olson “calls” to husband Ted “were connected for “0 seconds.” This is double speak because any call connected for “0 seconds” has not been connected at all. Yet Ted’s tragic tale of her last minutes had directed the public’s ire toward those terrible Muslims. Most of the public still does not know that the “calls” had to be fabricated.

        The very fact that Obama has gone along with the lies, the cover-up and the unjustified wars shows his very puppet-like behavior BRANDON SMITH is asserting.

  • JeffH

    SONG of the SHEEPLE
    By: JeffH April 27, 2010

    Song, song of the sheeple
    never will convince the American people

    Progressives like to show their hate
    in support of the promise to fill their plate
    nothing in the world could ever be free
    not even health care for you or me

    Song, song of the sheeple
    never will convince the American people

    Obama studied both Alinsky and Ayers
    Rules for Radicals and muslim prayers
    the words from his mouth ring truth no more
    he’s a Marxist believer deep in his core

    Song, song of the sheeple
    never will convince the American people

    Government growth and government control
    these websites are filled with government trolls
    if we lose in November we’re pretty well done
    hang on to your money and cling to your guns

    Song, song of the sheeple
    never will convince the American people

    Pride in America is what we say
    we want free markets not government pay
    so praise the Constitution and old glory too
    lets show our pride, take back America too!

    Song, song of the sheeple
    never will convince the American people
    Song, song of the sheeple
    never will convince the American people

    Glory glory hallelujah the truth keeps marching on

    • kimo3690

      @JeffH: I LOVE THAT!!! TY

  • David

    As my pacifist grandfather once remarked in relation to war mongering of WWI, “If everybody is thinking alike, then somebody isn’t thinking.”

    It is apropos of our American society and we only have ourselves to blame.

    Change (your thinking) – for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!

  • http://usmcinsurance.com edward Murphy

    usmcSays:
    If the young people dont start thinking out side the box,and believe the main street meida,and this Govt. of everything they saywe are in trouble. Also if you believe you can vote for what you want like we want the rich to pay more,you are in the wrong country.AS the older generation die who understand what America is,the younger ones will fall pray and wont know it until its to late.

  • Kate8

    The People have it… The government does not

    Please read the following section of the US Constitution very carefully. National refers to that of a Nation. At the time this was written, the 13 States were free and independent Nations. This has never changed. The united States were never meant to be a country but a union of the States no different than what the European Union is at present. The States were united as a federation for the common good and protection of the Union. The ONLY authority delegated to Congress is enumerated very clearly in this Section below. At no time or place was Congress ever delegated authority over the People. Their limited authority dealt specifically with the States and not the People in the States. Now because they have the power (or the military might) to force us to do something does not give them the authority. People need to understand that. That is why it is so important that the government has no more might, militarily or otherwise, than the People.People keep getting power, right, and authority mixed up. Government CANNOT HAVE RIGHTS. ONLY people can have rights. Only people can be creators. Government cannot be a creator. Government can ONLY have the authority which is temporarily bestowed by the People to the elected officials for the temporary time they are in office.The government has no authority or jurisdiction to impose gun legislation, healthcare legislation or any legislation on the People except those within the boundaries of DC, territories, or government employees. The Constitution has been declared the Law of the Land. There can be NO other legislation written or generated which is repugnant to it. The US Supreme Court has never had the authority to interpret the Constitution. The People are Judges and the Jurors to all Courts.Be very clear about what authority is delegated to Congress, the President and the Judiciary!! While we are at it, be clear that the Constitution gives US no rights. It PROTECTS the rights bestowed on us by being born. RIGHTS!! RIGHTS!! RIGHTS are not privileges that can be legislated away from us. Rights are rights!!! They cannot be taken from us. They are ours as long as we are alive. Legislation cannot chip a little here or a little there. Legislators need to read the Constitutions–State and US. The Bill of Rights should be memorized by each and every one of us. If you do not know your rights, you are in danger of losing them.Executive orders written by the President only covers the People in DC and the Federal employees. If the President had the authority to write legislation, we would not need Congress. Executive orders written by a Governor only covers State employees.If you read the section below, you would see that Congress has wayyyy overstepped its authority as has all the government. They, in truth, probably only need to be in session about two weeks out of the entire year with the small amount of authority they actually have. They would not need to give up their day jobs. And they should only have their expenses paid for that two weeks of patriotic duty.Please help get this circulated. It is imperative that the People gain more clarity regarding rules, regulations, ordinances, etc., which are administrative, compared to the Constitution which is the Law of the Land. M

  • Kate8

    united States ConstitutionArticle I, Section. 8.”The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;To establish Post Offices and post Roads;To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;To provide and maintain a Navy;To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;–AndTo make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.”

    There have been unlawful amendments made to the Constitution covertly.

    • Charlie

      The “Constitution” does NOT replace or do away with The Holy Bible…
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      Charlie Freedom

  • Greg

    Well Said!

    Kinetic1 says:
    February 5, 2013 at 12:36 pm

    Alondra,
    Do you truly expect your words (or yourself) to be taken seriously when you use epitaphs like “O’Homobama’s” “The Kenyan Jungle Bunny ” to describe the President? Even if you do not accept his legitimacy you could at least refrain from racism and homophobia.

  • Kate8

    The following link is to “Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars”, a document by and for the elite only. Things we are not supposed to know.

    This document exposes how we have been manipulated and controlled.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/124012645/Silent-Weapons-For-Quiet-Wars

    Here is an excerpt:

    Diversion, the Primary Strategy

    Experience has prevent that the simplest method of securing a silent weapon and gaining control of the public is to keep the public undisciplined and ignorant of the basic system principles on the one hand, while keeping them confused,disorganized, and distracted with matters of no real importance on the other hand.This is achieved by:

    o

    disengaging their minds; sabotaging their mental activities; providing alow-quality program of public education in mathematics, logic, systemsdesign and economics; and discouraging technical creativity.

    o

    engaging their emotions, increasing their self-indulgence and their indulgence in emotional and physical activities, by:

    unrelenting emotional affrontations and attacks (mental and emotional rape) by way of constant barrage of sex, violence, and wars in the media – especially the T.V. and the newspapers.

    giving them what they desire – in excess – “junk food for thought” -and depriving them of what they really need.

    o

    rewriting history and law and subjecting the public to the deviant creation, thus being able to shift their thinking from personal needs to highly fabricated outside priorities.

  • Kim Hobbs

    Good article. Should make people wake up and read more, but it will not. Wish I were more eloquent, but plainness seems to fit. I certainly try to stay informed and form opinions so hope I am not a simpleton or a member of the blind sheep colony.

  • Kate8

    Diversion Summary

    Media: Keep the adult public attention diverted away from the real social issues,and captivated by matters of no real importance.Schools: Keep the young public ignorant of real mathematics, real economics,real law, and real history.Entertainment: Keep the public entertainment below a sixth-grade level.Work: Keep the public busy, busy, busy, with no time to think; back on the farmwith the other animals.

    Consent, the Primary Victory

    A silent weapon system operates upon data obtained from a docile public by legal(but not always lawful) force. Much information is made available to silentweapon systems programmers through the Internal Revenue Service. (See

    Studiesin the Structure of the American Economy

    for an I.R.S. source list.)This information consists of the enforced delivery of well-organized datacontained in federal and state tax forms, collected, assembled, and submitted byslave labor provided by taxpayers and employers.Furthermore, the number of such forms submitted to the I.R.S. is a usefulindicator of public consent, an important factor in strategic decision making.Other data sources are given in the Short List of Inputs.Consent Coefficients – numerical feedback indicating victory status.Psychological basis: When the government is able to collect tax and seize privateproperty without just compensation, it is an indication that the public is ripe forsurrender and is consenting to enslavement and legal encroachment. A good andeasily quantified indicator of harvest time is the number of public citizens whopay income tax despite an obvious lack of reciprocal or honest service from thegovernment.
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    It goes on to discuss the use of the welfare system as another silent weapon against the people, making clear their utter contempt for people’s laziness and love of dependency.

  • Kate8

    Factor II – FatherThe man of the household must be housebroken to ensure that junior will grow upwith the right social training and attitudes. The advertising media, etc., are engaged to see to it that father-to-be is [comment has been edited]-whipped before or by the time he is married. He is taught that he either conforms to the social notch cut out for him or his sex life will be hobbled and his tender companionship will be zero. He is madeto see that women demand security more than logical, principled, or honorable behavior.

    As the transition becomes more difficult to manage, the family unit must becarefully disintegrated, and state-controlled public education and state-operated child-care centers must be become more common and legally enforced so as to begin the detachment of the child from the mother and father at an earlier age.Inoculation of behavioral drugs [Ritalin] can speed the transition for the child(mandatory). Caution: A woman’s impulsive anger can override her fear. An irate woman’s power must never be underestimated, and her power over a [comment has been edited]-whipped husband must likewise never be underestimated. It got women the vote in 1920.
    ——————————————

    Anyone getting the picture yet?

    • Deerinwater

      Very good message Katie,

      They needed it here. ~ Hard facts about a woman many would attempt to ignore as women allow it until ~ one day.

  • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

    The sad truth is just this:

    Current world leaders do not understand how we got here: They cannot help us get out of this crisis:

    http://omanuel.wordpress.com/about/#comment-2199

    http://omanuel.wordpress.com/about/#comment-2204

    http://omanuel.wordpress.com/about/#comment-2339

    They do not understand how Yellow Lark knows more cosmology than Steven Hawkings:

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10640850/Yellow_Lark's_Prayer.pdf

    The Reality, Truth, God (RTG) revealed by meditation, contemplation, and prayer is the same RTG revealed by experimentation, observation and measurements.

    Therefore I try to start each day with meditation, contemplation and prayer at about the crack of dawn. That is a common discipline, sometimes called “centering”, in many different religions and disciplines.

    With kind regards,
    Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NASA Principal
    Investigator for Apollo

    • Charlie

      omanuel,,,
      Can you identify Your God/god with The Almighty God, as called out in The Holy Bible???

      • macgyver1948

        Charlie… I see you are moving on with your same questions because you wont respond to messages and answers you refuse to accept for others. You will never git it, will you, that you have nothing in you that relates to respect and liberty for others if they do not fall into line, your line? You have no Americanism in you in this and you have taking away God’s gift of Free Will for others. Thank you for putting yourself above God as you usually do.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    Are You One of The Sheeple? Take The Quiz!

    So there’s been a lot of talk lately about “the Sheeple” – both American and otherwise, so to allow you to accurately assess yours and your close associate’s Sheep-like tendencies we uploaded a Sheeple simulation program to the construct and then decompiled it to bring you:

    The Red Pill Sheeple Quiz

    Sheep Score Rules.. play it fairly, don’t look until the end..

    (a) = 1 point,
    (b) = 2 points
    (c) = (minus) 1 point
    (d) = zero points
    Ok then we are off..

    Question 1. Does your government always tell the truth?

    a) I think so?
    b) Of course!
    c) Are you kiddin me?
    d) Only when it suits them

    Question 2 – Do you personally own any Gold or Silver?

    (a) No but I heard it was going up, and was thinking about getting some
    (b) Haha are you mad? – no, it’s a crazy bubble.
    (c) Yes I’ve been buying physical for years
    (d) Not actual metals, but some of the paper investment funds

    Question 3 – Is the economy recovering after the problems in 2008 / 2009?

    (a) Well it’s not great, but I think hopefully the worst has passed.
    (b) Yes, the stock market is up, green shoots are showing, everything looks good (buy Apple shares)
    (c) No way, they just put off taking the pain, the real crisis is still coming
    (d) Who cares? what time’s the game on?

    Question 4 – What do you think about “Banking” as an industry?

    (a) Bankers bonuses are too big and they need more regulation to stop problems
    (b) The banks perform a necessary service for society, and governments need to stop them failing.
    (c) Max Keiser is correct, they should be hung, where’s my pitchfork got to?
    (d) There seems to be rampant fraud, people need to go to jail for it.

    Question 5 – Ron Paul is:

    (a) That kooky guy who is always there but never achieves anything
    (b) The lone nutter in Congress, what a fruitloop.
    (c) The lone voice of reason for the last 30 years, the USA’s best hope.
    (d) Who?

    Ok, potential sheeples, add up your scores & scroll down.

    Zero Points and below – Not Sheeple.

    You probably spend most of your time telling other people about the problems that are so clear to you. You are probably also semi, if not fully prepared for an economic and social breakdown, and you have more chance of surviving than the average bear (or sheep) Negative scores need to be careful not to venture into the more full blown conspiracy theories, as there is enough stuff we definitely know is going on to concentrate on at this point.

    One to Five points – Slightly Wooly.

    You are the target audience of this site. You can see that everything is not quite as they would like us to think it is, but you still mistakenly think that it might turn out alright, or wont be as bad as some are saying. You mistakenly think they have your best interests at heart, and if you don’t snap out of it they will first shear, and then slaughter you.

    Go and read all of the blogs and sites linked to on the right of here until you get it, or don’t say you weren’t warned!

    Five to Ten Points – Full Blown SHEEPLE Alert.

    You won’t listen and thus are beyond help, you think people who talk ill of the Fed are “conspiracy nuts” and so unfortunately nothing can save you from your destiny. You probably even think this is air, we are breathing, in this place?

    You will be minced lamb kebab and woolen jumpers within a decade, enjoy your blue pill life while you can.

    • http://DWFields.com DWFields

      I must have come up with -10 points then; not one single correct answer to any question of the choices given.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing WTS/JAY

    Instead of delivering dreams, politicians now promise to protect us, from nightmares. In the past politicians promised to create a better world. They had different ways of achieving this, but their power and their authority came from the optimistic visions they offered their people. Those dreams failed, and today, people have lost faith in ideologies. Increasingly, politicians are seen simply as managers of public life, but now, they have discovered a new role that restores their power and authority. They say that they will rescue us from dreadful dangers that we cannot see, and do not understand, and the greatest danger of all, is international terrorism, a powerful and sinister network, with sleeper cells across the world. A threat that needs to be fought, by a war on terror, but much of this threat is a fantasy, which has been exaggerated and distorted by politicians; its a dark illusion which has spread unquestioned, to governments around the world, the security services, and the international media… -Morpheus

    • Matrix

      The liberals on this site should be highly resentful of this article because it is directed at them.

      Never before in the history of America, have we had a majority of our population that are so stupid, so ignorant that they would fall for the lies and deception of the most divisive, corrupt, fraudulent, evil scum that any party has ever created!

      This fraud of a president has put all of us at such great risk of losing everything we as true American’s have created through our own sacrifices, hard work and our ancestor’s sacrifices!

      While obamas right hand is deceiving the sheeple with gun and illegal alien issues, his left hand is stealing trillions of dollars from us hard working American’s and doling it out to his wall street, corporate masters and feeding the leftover crumbs to his black, Bolshevik communist herd ( the original sheeple )!

      If you need any more proof of a true culture of sheeple, you need look no further then the African American.

      The real fact that 97% of these sheep could possibly come to the same conclusion, just because obama is black, that he is the best choice for America….or for feeding the sheep?

      The real fact that 55% of the black sheeple drop out of a free school system, conformed to dumb down the whites population as to make blacks seem more intelligent ( the Bell Curve is fact ) and you can’t make a genius from an idiot or teach a sheep to reason….

      The real fact that 60% of this sheeple culture survives on a welfare system and off our hard work and produces nothing for the nation but horror and massive, unsustainable debt….

      The real fact that 70% of these sheep are born out of wedlock, to mothers that birth them for a tax payers cash reward, and have no use, nor love for the useless, ignorant spawn….

      The real fact that our prisons are so incredibly over populated from the results of this useless, ignorant spawn, ( 70% black ) creating a black sheep population and future Nation of Islam army of tens of millions of morally and mentally corrupt inmates that obama plans on unleashing on the good American public as part of his agenda (“The time is coming (very soon, I believe) when the subpopulation of sheeple will be used as cannon fodder to institute change in America on an unprecedented scale.”)…I couldn’t agree with Brandon more….

      You can try and deny the truth, and call me racist and all the bull you liberals spout, but the real facts tell us how terribly demented our society has become and how insanely hideous our government, that feeds and supports these useless, ignorant sheeple and has created a true “Nation of Idiots” has become!

      We only have you sheeple to blame for all of America’s ills and hope and pray that some of you dethatch from the government fed tube that feeds your ignorance, and take the red pill that will open your world to a truth that is very difficult to except, but will make you free!

      • macgyver1948

        Matrix… This article may be doirected at us but it doesnl;t mean it is factual or acurate in its descriptions. We can say Conservatives do not believe in Liberty unless it fits completely into their definitiuon of it leaving everyone who does not agree with them out. Many of us see that about Conservativves. We do not think that is what the Founders meant by Liberty. I am not angered by this article because someone says something that isn’t true of so many Liberals. Enjoy your dilution of the article.

        The rest of your comment is only opinion too.

      • Right Brain Thinker

        macgyver1948 says in response to Matrix “…your comment is only opinion…”

        I will second that, and add that it is the typical inflammatory, finger-pointing, mindless opinion that the sheeple of the right have been taught to parrot endlessly In fact, some of it is so extreme that I have to think Matrix is sick himself, at least to the level of being deluded and paranoid, and is a racist of the first order.

        Matrix says,”If you need any more proof of a true culture of sheeple, you need look no further then the African American”, and then launches into a whole string of “statistics” to prove his point. Of course, he paints the whole black race with this brush and neglects to tell us that these “stats” are cherry-picked and speak mainly to the inner city and poverty-stricken populations.

        I have to laugh at Matrix talking about the hard work and sacrifice of his ancestors—-does he not see the irony there when he ignores the situation of the “ancestors” of the black folks and what has gone on in this country right up until the present? The “capitalists” of this country have used the native Americans, the blacks, the poor whites of Appalachia, the immigrant Hispanic farm worker, the blue collar worker in American industry, and the lower reaches of the middle class as their “cannon fodder” in their war to take over this country and “institute change in America on an unprecedented scale.”

        Matrix can try and deny the truth, and spout racist bull, but the real facts tell us how terribly demented people like him have become, and how insanely they attack our government. Matrix exemplifies the ignorant sheeple of the “Nation of Idiots” he decries.

        • Deerinwater

          Matrix says;
          “The liberals on this site should be highly resentful of this article because it is directed at them”

          I say;
          LOL! Well, I confess it was not clear to me either to whom this lengthy composition was directed.

          But since the GOP offered us a candidate for President that edified everything most American think is wrong in government today ~ while GOP sheeples were forced to go along with it, I concluded that it was directed at GOP voters.

          I really didn’t get much out of it myself ~ but clearly some did! ~ i’m left to think that Mr. Smith hit a mother load of nerve as the commentary has been robust and rich (for the most part)

          That Mr. Matrix sees this as directed to the opposition, only suggest ~ that he “still doesn’t get it” ~ the message lost. ~

          If the GOP can’t right itself or reinvent it’s self in the next two years they are in serious trouble.

          I believe that this was Brandon Smith’s lead out to do just that Matrix, but you missed it. you seem to edify much of what is wrong with “self proclaimed conservative voters today”. It’s always about “THEM” and never about “US”! ~ You are looking “out”, when you should be looking “in”

          Eric Cantor was center stage last night attempting to do the same thing, putting a new face on a worn-out body. ~ Change the packaging and make people wonder if perhaps the content has been changed as well. ~ The NEW! Improved version. ~

          http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-eric-cantors-empty-happy-talk/2013/02/05/a60ceb7c-6fe1-11e2-ac36-3d8d9dcaa2e2_story.html

        • macgyver1948

          Right Brain Thinker … My comment to Matrix was soft and I was being polite but I agree with you. I do not understand how people think their ways and still claim to be about America and Liberty but that is their right to be their ways (for them), I just wish they wouldn’t push their ways on others as “as we see it it is the only right ways”, it just ain’t conducive to American or libertarian (not the party, the reality) ways. Ok, I just wanted to throw that in, lol…

      • macgyver1948

        Matrix… It is nice to see that you flow along pleasantly with the prescribed, or is it programmed, terminology of the day. It is also nice to see we make you happy in your crack up. I heard it is pleasant to be happy in ones delusions. Good for you.

        • Charlie

          macgyver1948,,,
          The Bible tells all how to “fix” the “World” problems,,, but,,, you don’t believe what Matthew 28:18 says about King Jesus Christ… There are no “good” fixes for World problems outside The Bible , because God’s Men wrote The Bible… So?…………..
          Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

          Charlie Freedom

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie… I told you more than once. Jesus is not a Hebrew King (never was), nor is he a Hebrew Messiah nor is he a Hebrew Prophet. If you want him to be a Christian King, or a Christian Messiah or a Christian Prophet that is ok with us. Do as you wish for yourselves but I do not get it how you cannot understand that your bible is not our bible. We do not even call our bible “The Old Testament”, that is a Christian renaming of our bible for their purposes. Another way of putting it is “you bible is no more my bible than the Koran is your bible”. So why is it hard or you to comprehend that and the fact that I do not believe “Matthew 28:18” or any other part of your bible?

            There is another thing I do not understand with people like you. Why is it that you may call yourself an American citizen but you cannot accept Freedom Of Religion for those who do not believe in God as you do? I am just as much and American as you and I respect your Americanism. So, doesn’t that make you a hypocrite? The Constitution is clear on Freedom Of Religion, why do you not get it? Stop pushing your beliefs on me.

            If you were a decent respectful (of other’s rights) person we might be able to have an adult academic like conversation on religion but I do not think you are capable of such adult interactions.

          • Charlie

            macgyver1948,,,
            Well,,, how about that??you are calling The Father of King Jesus Christ a liar,,, that’s What The “Normal” American Bible says ,,,and ,you are saying The Normal American Bible does not agree with you Bible… So where can a person buy a copy of Your god’s Bible??? Meanwhile… Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

            Charlie Freedom

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie… You can make up whatever C*R*A*P you want of my meanings but it wont make it so. What you are doing is showing you do not understand my words. God doesn’t lie and I would never say or imply that but somehow you inferred it that way so I can guess what darkness lives in your mind natrurally. Good for you.

            If you want to read my bible it is called the Hebrew Bible. Have you heard of it? Since you know I am Jewish I wonder why you do not seem to know where you can get a copy of my Bible or that it is strange to you.

          • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

            “macgyver1948,”

            SO-CALLED, “Jesus of Nazareth,” WAS HEBREW. SINCE PEOPLE ACROSS THIS PLANET ARE KILLING OTHERS IN “his” NAME, “he” IS T-H-E-I-R “KING OF HEBREWS.”

          • macgyver1948

            Chris… As with others here you too do not get it so I will be a little clear and more detailed.

            If citizens of China or Russia or Argentina or France get together and decide Reggie Jackson, the former American base ball player is the new president what would you say? Consider what those citizens of other countries have in common. Maybe since they are NOT American citizens they can not only not vote in an American but the cannot declare a US politician. Would that be something like what you would say? Good for you if you do, because only American CAN elect American politicians.

            Kings, presidents, Prime Ministers, all different forms of a countries leader of a sort. And I bet within each country only the people within them respectively can decide on who will lead or be in office. “Outsiders” do not have that option except maybe in their minds.

            Ok, since Jesus did not fulfill the Hebrew Prophesies, as with the many false Hebrew Messiahs, not even one of the deeds, and the Hebrew Prophets who spoke of the Hebrew Messiah believed he would be a man, all mortal, just a small group of people in Jesus’ time thought of him as the Hebrew Messiah. And since he was not thought of as the Hebrew Messiah he was never anointed a Hebrew King by the ones with the authority to do that sort of thing.

            So, with all that said, you and all non Jews, can not assign the title Hebrew King to anyone, not as “Outsiders” in particular and contently not because you aren’t among the Jewish group with the authority to do so.

            As I have said to numerous people who are not Jewish if you would like to claim Jesus as the Christian Messiah or the Christian king or even a Christian Prophet then by all means go for it, he isn’t any of those for us. As you would not like it for “Outsiders” to your faith please do not tell Jews how to run our religion or what to believe or make claims within ours.

            Do you understand it now or does all that need to be broken down to more simple English level, like to a kindergarten level? Speak for yourselves and stop deciding for others. Do not tell us what he was within our religion or faith. We cannot accept anyone as one to pray to or consider anyone to be an intermediary between God and us. For example, try to understand the first two of The 10 Commandants and maybe you would understand what I just said. There are other scripture in the Hebrew Bible which gives us more reasons why we can not. But simply put, we cannot and do not pray to demi-gods.

          • Charlie

            macgyver1948,,,
            Are you a bloodline Jew? ,,,If, you are not then you have to be the Jews that King Jesus Christ pointed to at Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 “””but are a synagogue of Satan””…………….
            macgyver is wrong or The Bible is wrong,,,We will go with The Bible… All people in the lineage of Abraham were at least half Hebrew, because , Abraham was a Hebrew ,even
            Ishmael was at least half Hebrew,,, Abraham’s 6 sons from Keturah that he sent east were Hebrews… Are the people in Iran a lineage of Hebrews? If your Bible is called The Hebrew Bible,,,you better figure out where all these Hebrews are and teach them The Hebrew Bible… We think you so called Jews have some identity problems that need to be cleared up,and We think King Jesus Christ is about to do that with the accomplishment of Obadiah… Meanwhile…. Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

            Charlie Freedom

          • macgyver1948

            Charlie… WOW, you do take a lot for granted… Ok, as far as I know I am a blood line Jew going back to Abraham but I do not know how to prove it. What do you expect me to take from Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 “””but are a synagogue of Satan” when we consider I do not believe in anything from your bible? It is not my bible. Why do you still not get that?

            Sarah, Abraham’s wife, was Jewish as Abraham was all Jewish as per God so were are you going with this ‘half’ stuff? I guess we can say Abraham was the first converted Jew as he was converted by God. Again, what can be proven but it a matter of chosen faith?

            You tell me “If your Bible is called The Hebrew Bible,,,you better figure out where all these Hebrews are and teach them The Hebrew Bible…”. WOW again, is there any reality to you? How do I do that and how far back in history should I go to find all those people, 1000 years, 2000, 3500? I know many Jews who believe similarly as I do and I went to Hebrew School for over 9 years. I know there are many Jews who either do not know or who are not practicing by choice but are still Jewish. I will take the word of a rabbi or a good Hebrew teacher when it comes to Torah and the rest of the Hebrew Bible over any of your religion, all of Christianity and that includes both Catholics and Protestants, any day.

            You also say “Are the people in Iran a lineage of Hebrews?” So many WOWS with you. Are you really the total ass you are showing? First ask them but Iran was around for so many centuries as Persia and the Jews and the Persian were enemies since before Jesus. Maybe that is why Persia/Iran was such good friends with Hitler. You and Hitler have a lot in common in your ways of thinking.

            You say “macgyver is wrong or The Bible is wrong,,,We will go with The Bible…”. That is your right and the point you idiot. There are many religions and many of them have their own bibles. If you cannot respect other people’s religion then you might want to move to a country where there is no “FREEDOM OF RELIGION”. Maybe a country like Iran would be more to your liking and one which doesn’t tolerate any other religion. OR you might some day understand why people of other religions would have no respect for you, you just do not deserve any. You are an Liberty killer when it comes to religion and people like you are not American in that regard. A Taliban type government seems to be for you.

            I am not telling you how to believe so why are you telling me how wrong Jews are according to our bible? There are very good reasons the Founders worked to put Freedom of Religion in the Constitution and much of those reasons were because of intolerant “only we are right so you have to be wrong” asses like you. We need “Separation Of Church And State” added to the Constitution because of people like you, the anti-freedom sick-os who will not tolerate other people’s Liberties if those are different from theirs/yours.

            I told you this once before and it fits here again. “Charlie Freedom” is BS.

  • http://midvontent ridge runner

    Apparently everyone hasn’t heard about thej/b/sand lizard’s llatest plan to appoint a planel of socialist/communists to observe and listen to everyone for anycomplaning citens that diss the puke, this panel will be able to arresy anyone, fitting their descriptionwill incerated , for an indefinate time.. This muslim marxist beleives in the US, do muslims like pork? Who has a memerory of your schooling history of Hitler, Stalin, or Karl Marx, first citizens self defense goes, the massive registrations of people on several lists. Then comes the incaration , the group se[eration, muslims and black get passes, top group for what everythis puke dreams up, will be whites, conservatives, and non goverment workers. When Rachel Maddox had a fit over the the muslim marxist comments, as she said it sounds like the 1930-40′s..

    • macgyver1948

      ridge runner… WOW, you are an excellent writer of English, lol, and what you say is really funny. Good for you, great sad comedy but who of intellangence would take you seriously?… LMAO…

  • jjblock

    This essay and the following comments have been quite refreshing to read. I suppose that its due to the lack of good debate that’s been missing from my life. I appreciate everything I’ve read here. I’ve heard but not understood the expression that people could be ‘sheeple’, but now I have a more perfect understanding.
    And to Chris I’d like to say that since you are an atheist and have to find your own way to happiness, then let me echo the words of the famous Beatles song; “Happiness is a warm gun”.

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      I HEAR ‘YA, “jjblock.”

  • Russ

    Great article, but the fact is that even those who write great articles can be very sheep like when it comes time to point the finger in the right direction. By clever design and with a control of wealth and everything wealth buys are the conspirators who play the games against the ignorant sheeple. I call them Jews because the truth and facts always go right back to one or the other, even as a mask or two is worn by a non Jew who is just another sheeple thinking he is wise because he has been fooled with a certain fame or paycheck. The last sentence defines most of the media, politicians and even former politicians, writers for the so called conservative movement and the tea party itself. Those who are in the know trace the money and the organizations that own and generate the continual propaganda. The rest only think they know the truth or lie because they want not to offend what they think are chosen little gods, whom are really mostly evil little children of the other side. Now watch the alarm sound over my truths by the Jew patrol that dominates all the sheeple thought processes. We can be critical of anyone, except the controllers whom I have mentioned and of course their now fellow participants like homos and illegal aliens, minorities…whom they have recruited for the new cannon fodder to destroy and decay what is left of America or any other once white nation.

  • http://DWFields.com DWFields

    You’ve done a great job of describing Fox News and the Republican Party. Now, how will you describe the Democratic party to make it sound just as bad?

    • JeffH

      WOW! I see you’re stuck deeply in the Dem-Repub paradigm…yep!

  • sharingnews

    Best read on the internet.

  • Right Brain Thinker

    The hurricane of mindlessness on this thread today is not something I wish to step into for long. I will take the time to say that Brandon is being exceptionally persistent today, and that it is not very admirable of him to attack CAH the way he has here. CAH is an easy target because of his many internal conflicts and issues with self-identity. I will second what others have said about the “would slavery be OK if…?” question—–just plain dumb on the face of it, and Brandon’s continued insistence on getting an answer is even dumber.

    I am reminded of something Brandon said in an article on Statist Thugs some time ago (slightly modified). Brandon should go back and read his own article.

    “I believe the conservative sociopaths of our time will soon flow out of the dark recesses and rotten sputtering gutters of our society like a river of septic putrescence. We all know them when we see them, but do we really understand what makes them tick? Here are some common sociopathic attributes of the overzealous conservative blog poster, the failings and inadequacies that make him what he is”.

    One could take this entire article of Brandon’s on Sheeple, modify it slightly as I did the above, and produce an article that would speak better to truth. Brandon’s implication is that the state is the enemy and the true “conservatives” are the only ones fighting the state. A restatement of Brandon’s points would show that the “liberty” folks are the real sheeple. They are the ones who have been coopted into being foot soldiers for the real enemy—-the plutocracy and corporate oligarchy that wants to weaken government so that they can have their way with all of us.

    PS Someone else from the “Shills-n-Trolls-r-Us” shop is using Kate8′s handle today. My “language, sentence structure, and word usage” software is showing that today’s Kate8 is far smarter that some of the Kate8s we have seen in the past. Did someone at “the shop” decide to “upgrade” Kate’s image by putting in a ringer today?

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “Right Brain Thinker,”

      I KNEW WHAT Brandon Smith WAS DOING. I TOLD HIM, “YES,” ON THE SLAVERY QUESTION BECAUSE Mr. Smith WAS “TESTING” MY LOYALTY IN REGARD TO MY VARIOUS COMMENTS ON THIS SITE.

      CAUCASIANS REMAIN UNCOMFORTABLE WITH NEGROES WHO ARE NOT “STEP-AND-FETCH-IT.”

      • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON,

        You write: “CAUCASIANS REMAIN UNCOMFORTABLE WITH NEGROES WHO ARE NOT ‘STEP-AND-FETCH-IT.’” You are engaging in mind projection fallacy.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • Deerinwater

        Chris say; “CAUCASIANS REMAIN UNCOMFORTABLE WITH NEGROES WHO ARE NOT “STEP-AND-FETCH-IT.”

        Hmm? I guess that makes me an equal opportunity bigot then. ~ I expect those same things from everyone Chris. ~ Show me how useful you can be to me and what we trying to do.here or get out of my way. ~ does that make me a bigot, socialist, capitalist? i suppose it does.

        Many here do not understand you Chris, it’s hard for them. ~ They’ve not lived it or even seen the life that you have lived. How could they ever understand it?

        As a small child I had an Uncle, ~ Jefferson Davis, ~ He was the oldest patriarch of the family, he was a robust man, full of life and lived it well. excellent story teller. ~ Land owner to great expanses of delta low land, sports man , Sheriff, KK member, refused to go to church while a man of the community.

        I loved to go visit Uncle Jeff and listen to his stories,ride in his pickup truck and roam the farm, the pastures, valleys, river and branch streams. Crab fish, ~hunt rabbits and other small game. ~

        Jeff had several families of once slaves living on his property. ~ They had not gone any where, as they seen no need. They had all that they wanted ~ The children would grow up and leave but they too would return if for no other reason then to visit ~bring their children with them.

        These people were Jeff Davis’s extended family and they were treated that way. They were included in the work, they were included at supper time ~ they were included in the big cook outs and fiestas. There was a grill in the ground that would cook 50 chicken at time, ~ 30 gallon pot of beans on the fire. ~ Most of the cooking was done outdoors.

        They were paid, not well perhaps ~ but their needs address from the womb to the tomb. There was a small graveyard on the place for the dearly departed and always open to stop and visit.

        Were they still slaves? ~ Yes I think so ~ but I think that it’s a contrived illusion to believe for one minute ANY OF US are not. For you see Uncle Jeff was their slave.

        But until someone has seen the better side of southern living ~ how might they ever understand it?

        Jeffy died at 99 ~ he had planed to make the 100 mark but after out living his bride, his woman on the side and two children he died the day after thanksgiving, seeing little reason to continue I suppose.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        Bob Livingston,

        I AM NOT THE TYPE OF PERSON WHO INSTANTLY BELIEVES SOMEONE IS MALICIOUSLY TRYING TO “SET-ME-UP.” I ADMIT, UNTIL “deerinwater LET THE CAT OUT-OF-THE-BAG (as he always does),” I SIMPLY THOUGHT I WAS ENGAGED IN ORDINARY DIALOGUE WITH, Brandon Smith. AFTER “deerinwater’s” COMMENT, I RE-READ MY DIALOGUE WITH Mr. Smith AND AGREED THAT HE WAS PLAYING “tweedle-dee/tweedle-dumb,” WITH ME.

        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    • JeffH

      Half Wit – yada, yada, yada. Like Falsy, you too are a complete failure.

      Rule 13 – Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.
      “The organizer knows that the real action is in the reaction of the opposition”

      The fool has one great advantage over a man of sense,
      he is always satisfied with himself.
      - Napolon Bonaparte

      • Deerinwater

        Jeff Quotes, “The fool has one great advantage over a man of sense,
        he is always satisfied with himself.
        - Napolon Bonaparte”

        I love that! I’m gonna steal it

        So I ask, are you unsatisfied with yourself Jeff?

      • JeffH

        deer asks DUH?

        I’m satisfied that I am constantly seeking truth and I am satisfied that I am constantly learning.

        From that I expect you can figure it out.

    • Brandon Smith

      @Right Brain Thinker

      Yes, of course it is “dumb” to ask a question pertaining to Chris and his beliefs in order to gain a better understanding of where he was coming from. What was I thinking? Asking questions….that’s crazy…..

      He states in his original remark that he thinks people should “abide the law” because we live in a “democracy” (false) and follow government dictates because the majority of people (in his opinion) are comfortable with the way things are. So, I decided to test the logic of his position with a few (gasp!) questions. None of which he has answered except the one on slavery, to which he implied that slavery is acceptable as long as the government deems it to be so (which is, of course, immoral and sociopathic).

      If Chris really does believe in his stated opinion that we should follow government dictates as long as the “majority” agrees with them or is oblivious to them, then he should be clear on what this actually means. Does he support indefinite detention without trial as long as the majority agrees with it? Does he supports Obama’s assassination programs that include American citizens? Should the majority be allowed to abuse the rights of a minority because the government makes it “lawful”? And if the government makes abuse and criminality “lawful”, why shouldn’t a minority group revolt and put them down, just as the Founding Fathers did at the birth of this country?

      I know these questions are apparently “too complex” for some of the people here, and that they seem to be racking their tiny brains over the vast intricacies, but come on! They pertain directly to Chris’ stated position. Is it really that difficult to give a straight answer here?

      • Right Brain Thinker

        You miss my point, Brandon. It is not dumb to ask questions, it is dumb to ask DUMB questions, and that question was just plain dumb, although you seemed quite pleased with yourself that you have pursued it beyond a point that is worth pursuing.

        You show that with the smugness and condescension sprinkled throughout your remarks here, as in “these questions are apparently “too complex” (gasp) for some of the people here, and they seem to be racking their tiny brains (gasp) over the vast intricacies”.

        And you talk about “logic” and then proceed to ask more questions that twist the meaning of that word badly? (To say nothing of your using those questions to make “statements” rather than just seek answers)

        I’m busy with real life today so I will leave you to GALT, who is doing a nice job on you (if you haven’t noticed). I leave you with a quote (slightly modified) from one of your favorite writers.

        “I believe the conservative sociopaths of our time will soon flow out of the dark recesses and rotten sputtering gutters of our society like a river of septic putrescence. We all know them when we see them, but do we really understand what makes them tick? Here are some common sociopathic attributes of the overzealous conservative blog author, the failings and inadequacies that make him what he is”.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        Brandon Smith,

        SIR, AS AN AGENT OF Bob Livingston, I UNDERSTAND THE “POLITICS” YOU MUST PLAY. THAT IS WHY I ACCEPTED YOUR INTENTIONAL “IGNORING” OF ME, AFTER I ANSWERED YOU.

        BUT, FOR YOU TO TALK ABOUT ME – VIA, “Right Brain Thinker” – SAYS A LOT ABOUT YOUR ABILITY TO DEAL WITH SOMEONE “HEAD-ON,” WHO IS WANTED “cut from the herd.”

        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        Brandon Smith,

        IT BOTHERS ME THAT YOU WILL NOT REPLY. BUT, IT WAS VERY EASY FOR YOU TO REFER TO ME AS, “sociopathic.”

        YES, I AM NEGRO – BUT, I HAVE “ABSOLUTELY NO” OBLIGATION TO LIKE blacks, Jews, gays AND ANYONE ELSE WHOM I CONSIDER OBJECTIONABLE. YET, “POLITICALLY-CORRECT WHACKJOBS” CLAIM I HAVE “self-identity problems.” SO, Mr. Smith, YOU “PISSED-ME-OFF,” BY REFERRING TO ME AS A, “sociopath.”

        [And, people wonder why Adam Lanza and James Holmes went-off!. Questioning a person's psyche, Mr. Smith, can lead to WIDESPREAD DISASTER].

        Mr. Smith, IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO RESPOND, I WILL HAVE MY ANSWER AND LEAVE YOU ALONE.

        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    • Charlie

      R B T,,,
      Your comment is a “No Brainer” in consideration of what The Bible says about Slavery and then just look at world history and a thinking person can easily see that most slaves have not been treated as Bible Law says to do… Meanwhile…………………………
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      Charlie Freedom

  • http://theconservativecrawfish.wordpress.com reelman1946

    The sheeple are fed with printed dollars or those from your paycheck…its all for votes…its vile…its what the arrogant apostles of utopian secular socialism do…
    create dependency for votes…dumb down a culture, rot its spine and moral base…
    this is always done by 4 tactics…bold lies/smears/demons and distractions…
    we experience these daily from the dimdems.

    When the economy rots down enough or the foreign policy seriously endangers us or the $$$/credit card runs out…WeTheSheeple will cry for conservatism…as they must, as they will. As they have in states ruined by the dimdems…it takes more pain to realize socialism and its apostles are bad bad bad.

    • http://Yahoo Maynard

      The sheeple are actually the conservatives and others who believe that our economy will not be mismanaged by the elite. Yet, who is it who have bestowed our hard earned funds to the Slayers who have gone forth to wreak death on those falsely accused of the tragic events of 9/11 which were actually engineered by themselves – the unlawful Elite?

      They Engineered this horrible tragedy and also the secondary but related deaths and fear engendered by the Anthrax letters for the Purpose of funneling further wealth and power to themselves through no-bid war contracts and greater control of oil deposits. It is these elite political figures, long led by the Bush crime family itself (Prescott, George H. W., George W. and Jeb) and their minions, The Johnsons, the Nixons, the Fords, the Reagans, the Clintons and now the Obamas.
      It is They, who have long since wrested our beautiful government, the fairest ever created by the mind of man, from the hands of true leaders whose elections stand alone in their defiance of this elite in the past half century: (The Kennedys and the Carters). These two leaders stand alone as those who would have dedicated our enormous wealth and privilege to aid the inhabitants of our EARTH. Through the ill-gotten Bush preeminence, gained by assassinations and attempted assassinations and other deceptions such as the illegal Iran-Contra, the Savings and Loans fraud and the false flags of the Gulf of Tonkin, the first WTC attack engineered at their direction by the FBI, the Incubator Babies Lie, the Oklahoma City Bombing engineered at their direction by the Bureau of Alcohol, Firearms and Tobacco, they have gained control in order to further the aims of the absconders and exploiters and purveyors of our EARTH’s filthy fossil fuels. They have blocked those who would use the true sources of our needed ENERGY: The Wind, The Water, The Heat from our EARTH’s core, and the GREATEST of THEM ALL, Our beautiful SUN, which shares it’s LIGHT and RAYS to all alike, daily in its seemingly perpetual Mission.
      Like the Sun, and our own bodies, Water itself is largely made of Hydrogen, which now, combined with the Sun’s Light through the newly developed knowledge called ARTIFICIAL PHOTOSYNTHESIS, can supply us with cheap, unlimited, clean burning energy – Hydrogen.
      Let the deceptions end and a new era marked by our CLEAN dominion over our sacred PLANET soon begin.

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  • jbw

    Alondra, I find it incredibly ironic, as well as blindly ignorant, that in relation to ‘Truth’, you quote Harry S Truman, a 33rd degree Mason!! LOL!! They are the LAST folks who have ANY Truth in them!!! Helllloo???

  • http://gravatar.com/plfprime GALT

    Brandon Smith says: February 5, 2013 at 11:04 pm @GALT
    Thank you for illustrating my point.

    No need to thank me, Mr. Brandon ( alinsky like ) Smith, as I try to educate the “willfully ignorant, functional illiterates” where ever I find them…….unfortunately, it would seem that you may be a “special needs” pupil and the prognosis does NOT look promising.

    All that talk and not a single tangible answer to any question I presented.

    Brandon dear, are you BLIND? Do you see how this is laid out? Do you have a clue as to WHY? Your entire post to me was copied, pasted and responded to……..that you are a “functional illiterate” and can’t comprehend what you READ, is not my problem…….your questions TO ME, were answered.

    Instead, you reverted to character attacks in order to distract, which shows me that you are afraid.

    I must admit, the first time I went to court, attempting to use the “gold and silver” argument from Art 1, from section 10, having had all my motions dismissed by the “judge” regarding “jury instructions” and having just been threatened by him, with a felony conviction, a year in jail, and some $1,300 in fines, I WAS……. mildly anxious.

    TRUST ME SON, you do NOT have anything that would even remotely provoke FEAR…….in anyone.

    To respond by calling a question “stupid” without backing you position with anything relevant?

    That you are a “Functional ILLITERATE” is not MY PROBLEM.

    I did not come here to “argue” with you, Brandon……you have enough on your hands already.

    But as I said, I am not here to argue with you today…….Mr Horton is a big boy and he could use the practice, unfortunately many get “distracted” by rhetoric……I am here, like deer to reduce your argument to it’s essential “nothingness”

    Well the first one was “stupid”, but if you want to provide “specifics” regarding the circumstances which apply to this “mythical” choice, I’m pretty certain ANYONE could give you an answer.

    What part of the preceding “responses” do you NOT understand? What is the subject of your ARTICLE? Because, Mr. Brandon ( alinsky like ) Smith THAT is what I am responding to……..if you wish to make substantive points regarding these “other questions” you are now raising……..then maybe you should write articles about THEM in the first place……..right NOW, you are “off topic” ( mr moderator….your attention please ……just kidding Bob ) one of your “author’s is “losing it”.

    BTW every person who has challenged you on the actual “subject” of your post, has “essentially” raised the same point…….you are engaged in “pointless rhetoric”………and in the world of rhetoric ( logos, ethos and pathos ) you can attempt to employ the “latter” two…….to avoid the “first”………..and you may suceed. Unfortunately, you did NOT….you got caught by quite a number of people here……..Mr. Brandon ( alinsky like ) Smith. YOU GOT NO LOGOS!!!!!!!!

    You seem to be slipping, Galt. Try harder next time…

    You are hilarious…….the last time you had your head handed to you, your exit line was…….”Hey, everyone notice how hard GALT is trying….”

    It’s not hard Brandon ( alinsky like) Smith, it’s “childe’s play.

    Also, it is not “illegal” (yet) for people to barter without reporting to the government. Show me the last time someone was arrested for barter. Beyond that, your original point has no merit. Show me where I have ever asked anyone to report their barter to the authorities.

    Sorry Brandon, wrong again.

    Taxation of Barter
    November 29th, 2009

    Robert W. Wood writing for Forbes.com says that the IRS wants to tax your bartering transactions:

    The IRS starts with a down-home definition. Bartering is trading one product or service for another, whether informally and one-on-one or with multiple parties in a commercial setting.

    [Barter] has a storied, even ancient tradition. “Our ancestors may have exchanged eggs for corn,” explains the IRS, but “today you can barter computer services for auto repair.” The IRS also lists plumbing services for dental work. You name the swap, the IRS wants to tax it.

    Wherever it arises, it is income to both sides, just like cash, according to the IRS. That means each side must report the fair market value of the item or services received on their tax returns. It isn’t clear how much bartering goes on, or how much self-reporting there is. My guess is there is quite a lot of the former and not much of the latter.

    The IRS website includes a Bartering Tax Center which describes in detail the taxation and reporting of barter transactions.

    http://www.pappasontaxes.com/index.php/2009/11/29/taxation-of-barter/

    IRS MODIFIES GUIDANCE ON VOLUNTARY DISCLOSURE
    (The Tax Department)
    December 23, 2002

    On December 1, 2002, the Internal Revenue Service revised the practice of voluntary disclosure. Timely voluntary disclosure by a taxpayer of a substantial unreported tax liability is a crucial factor in determining whether the case should be referred for criminal prosecution. The taxpayer in making a timely disclosure must make arrangements with the IRS to pay in full the tax, interest and applicable penalties. However, in the past, the lack of guidance as to what constitutes timely disclosure sometimes made taxpayers hesitant to come forward and disclose their unreported tax liability.

    The IRS has now revised its guidance on voluntary disclosure in an attempt to reduce uncertainties about the timeliness standard. In Internal Revenue Manual 9.5.3.3.1.2.1, timely disclosure is defined as a disclosure that is received before:

    the IRS has initiated a civil examination or criminal investigation of the taxpayer, or has notified the taxpayer that it intends to commence such an examination or investigation;

    the IRS has received information from a third party (e.g., an informant, other governmental agency, or the media) alerting the IRS to the specific taxpayer’s noncompliance;

    the IRS has initiated a civil examination or criminal investigation which is directly related to the specific liability of the taxpayer; or

    the IRS has acquired information directly related to the specific liability of the taxpayer from a criminal action (e.g., a search warrant or grand jury subpoena).

    The Internal Revenue Manual further illustrates the concept of timely disclosure through a series of examples. According to the Manual, the following activities should constitute timely disclosure: (a) a letter from an attorney which encloses a client’s amended returns and offers to pay any applicable tax, interest and penalties; (b) a disclosure of omitted income facilitated through a barter exchange after the IRS announces that it has begun a compliance project targeting barter exchanges; (c) a disclosure of omitted income facilitated through a widely promoted tax scheme of which the IRS has begun a compliance project and already obtained information which might lead to an examination of the taxpayer – however, the IRS has not yet commenced an examination or investigation of the taxpayer or notified the taxpayer of its intent to do so; and (d) a disclosure by a taxpayer who has not filed tax returns after the individual received a notice stating that the IRS has no record of receiving a return for a particular year and inquiring into whether any return for such year was filed. However, a letter from an attorney stating that an anonymous client wants to resolve his or her tax liability is not adequate disclosure until the identity of the taxpayer is disclosed.

    It is important to mention that the voluntary disclosure practice does not absolutely guarantee the taxpayer protection from criminal prosecution. The IRS maintains the right to recommend a case for criminal prosecution regardless of the circumstances. Moreover, the voluntary disclosure practice does not apply to a taxpayer with illegal sources of income.

    It appears the IRS is attempting to encourage full compliance with the tax reporting laws by creating greater certainty as to when voluntary disclosure would be viewed as timely. However, taxpayers who are contemplating coming clean by making a voluntary disclosure should first consult with counsel in assisting them with issues such as privilege, strategy, relevant statutes of limitation, and concerns with state and local authorities.

    Can you read and comprehend that Mr. Brandon ( alinsky like ) Smith?

    I also do not encourage people to report barter to the government. In fact, I specifically tell them not to.

    Practicing law without a license is a criminal offense.

    You answer questions with questions, instead of honest opinion, which is a very Alinsky thing to do. If you don’t like the label, then stop using the tactics. Stop trying to subvert the discussion with dishonest debate methods and present some tangible answers.

    Really, Mr Brandon ( alinsky like ) Smith……is that what I AM DOING?

    You are ( again ) a “willfully ignorant, functional illiterate”. You seriously need to consider “suing” whatever “educational institution” you attended for “breach of contract”……….

  • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

    Here’s the conclusion to the Climategate scandal that erupted in late Nov 2009:

    Conclusion: “We are connected physically and spiritually to the Creator, Destroyer and Sustainer of lives and worlds at the core of the Sun. Fear of that source of energy [1] persuaded world leaders to insert, on 24 Oct 1945, the UN between mankind and the Creator that endowed us with inalienable rights to establish governments to protect our Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

    http://omanuel.wordpress.com/about/#comment-2339

    1. Oliver K. Manuel, ”Neutron Repulsion”,
    The APEIRON Journal 19, 123-150 (2012):
    http://redshift.vif.com/JournalFiles/V19NO2pdf/V19N2MAN.pdf

    Reply

    • Charlie

      omanuel,,,
      Is the Sun home base for the God you say we are connected to?

      • http://omanuel.wordpress.com omanuel

        Charlie,

        God, Reality and Truth are synonyms. Neutron repulsion [1] in the Sun’s pulsar core [2] is a fountain of energy that initiates chains of cause and effect in the solar system. That is the source of energy that sustains our lives.

        1. Oliver K. Manuel, ”Neutron Repulsion”, The APEIRON Journal 19, 123-150 (2012): http://redshift.vif.com/JournalFiles/V19NO2pdf/V19N2MAN.pdf

        2. Oliver K. Manuel and Alberto Boretti, “Yes, the Sun is a pulsar,” Nature (submitted 12 Dec 2012) http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10640850/Yes_the_Sun_is_a_pulsar.pdf

      • Charlie

        omanuel,,,
        Well,,,then I guess Most of us are going to suffer as God calls out in His Holy Bible, even IF I do get some good Sun lite… Meanwhile…. Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation… Thanks for your info, We will try to understand it…

  • macgyver1948

    @ Brandon Smith… Because I agree there are various levels of “sheep” in both Democrat and Republican Parties, and we shouldn’t limit that to just the 2 big ones, I am interested in more of your work. If it is still available I would like to read “The GOP Is Dying Because The Liberty Movement Is Thriving”. I have my theories as to what is bringing down the GOP but I want to read more from both sides. There is nothing like distancing your party from the Bush admin during the GOP campaign to make one at least wonder but I do not think it started with Bush Jr. Now if we can also see more clearly into the Dems we could suggest some help there too although I do not see as much help needed there as with the GOP. At least the Dems do not sign away their lives to a totally binding conflict-of-interest pledge as the TPGPOP has.

    • Brandon Smith

      @Mac

      I think they do indeed sign away their lives to conflict of interest. I used to be a Democrat a long time ago, and I can tell you that any Dem. who has stuck with the party through Obama is probably a lost cause. They used to be the anti-war party! Now they grovel at Obama’s feet while he implements the exact same criminal policies as Bush. The problem is that people do not understand the false left/right paradigm. They do not know the difference between a Liberal and a Neo-Liberal. A Conservative and a Neo-Conservative. Really, both parties are one party; the Globalist Party. They serve the interests of the top .01%, and the rest of us are left to rot.

      The system is broken, and as long as people squabble over who is worse, Dem or Rep, nothing will be fixed. There is no lesser of two evils within our political system. It’s all a game, and the sooner we realize it, the sooner we can save ourselves and each other.

      • macgyver1948

        Brandon Smith… Well isn’t the Neo part a modern converted part of the former with new ideas of course? Well there are exceptions as in Neo-Nazi but the distinction there is negligible- still all evil and nasty.

        I will not fault you for changing camps and in some cases I do agree with you but I still see the TP controlled GOP (so much the ‘Government Of the Corporate People’ is what the TPGOP has become, as their ‘Neo’ version, and the Norquist Pledge is there pushing them along without regard for the rest of us) etc as the greater evil of the two. I hope Obama is really fighting for the elderly against the TPGOP as he says, and is a good part of what got him reelected as well as other reasons, but how do we really know since so much is done behind closed doors? I do not see The Libertarian Party as being different either and there is a lot of TP in there too. Just my points of view.

        The system is cracked but we the people still have to figure out how to fix it before it is too late. Government officials, elected and appointed, do not seem to be going there for us. I would hate to see a World Government take us over especially if that means the end to any part of our Constitution.

        Brandon, thanks for responding.

      • http://www.personalliberty.com Julie

        Brandon, I too was a dem. and I used to campaign for them through the unions. I no longer belong to a certain party. The dems, in my book, moved so far left, that they are radical, and the repubs moved to the left too. The two party system, is no longer a two party, but a one party, the elitist party.

        Mr. Mac, the two party is only for our, the peoples, convenience to make us think we still have a constitutional election. It is only for show and to keep the people divided, and arguing amongst ourselves while they (the elitist, whom have already picked out presidents)destroy our country, not for the good of us or the world, but for themselves. We no longer pick our presidents, the elitist already has them picked for us. They put in the people in both parties, their first pick for dem wins and their first pick for repub wins in the primary, then their main pick wins president, their second pick intentionally losses. If you pay attention, most of those that run for president belong to the CFR. The people that aren’t put in by they, but by some other org. are discredited early. For example: Herman Cain.

    • Charlie

      macgyver1948,,,
      The word Jew comes from the Tribe of Judah and those living in the land area given to the Tribe of Judah… So? how could there be any “Jews” before the Man Judah had children??? Your comments seem to indicate that you, macgyver are part of the anti-Christ system that has existed since the days that King Jesus Christ walked on water…
      IF,,,the normal American Bible is wrong? please give us some Scripture from your other bibles of how and when this thing called Jews came into existence,,,also provide some Dictionary definitions from your Dictionary ,,,.since it reads as you have written your own copy of The Constitution , The Bible , OR what ever else you want to point at for your Authority of existence… Meanwhile……………
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      Charlie Freedom

      • macgyver1948

        Charles… You are playing with semantics and you do not know the spirit of what you are talking about. The name Jew may have come for Jacobs/Israel’s son Judah but in essence it was Abraham who God first approached with this thing called Judaism.

        You accuse me with “Your comments seem to indicate that you, macgyver are part of the anti-Christ system that has existed since the days that King Jesus Christ walked on water?” You are so full of Cc*rap it is pathetic. I am not against Jesus, I just do not believe he was divinely conceived (I believe he had 2 mortal biological parents, and that he was a Hebrew Messiah or a Hebrew King.

        Actually I am among the Jews who could be thankful to Jesus for bringing God to the attention of the world to people who many not have been exposed to Him. I do not believe how your bible says he did that but somehow, through using his name Jesus is credited with doing it.

        You are a man of hate when you are disagreed with and you look to hurt and malign people for it. You are of the kind who should be marked with a kind of scarlet letter but for being the hateful person you are. You have no room for people who believe and think differently form you and that is why you have no tolerance pr Liberty. That is why I say “Charlie ‘Freedom’” is BS. By the way, you being a man of hate can make you the opposite of God because hate is the opposite of God.

        You are such a dolt. I am not saying the “normal American Bible” is wrong. I am saying it is not my bible, along with the KJV and the Catholic and all other bibles which ar not the Hebrew Bible. Why you you insist on repeating this when you have had the answer all along.

        Another thing you have had the answer to for a while is that (you ask again “please give us some Scripture from your other bibles of how and when this thing called Jews came into existence“) is that Jews started with Abraham. How many times do you need an answer before you get it? You do not have to accept my answers as religiously acceptable for you but if you cannot accept other peoples beliefs for them then you are the ass and the one who is against Liberty. What are you doing living in America if you do not live liberty as it should be? Grow up little boy.

        Simply put – from any dictionary, since you ask now – Jew = One whose religion is Judaism… WOW you continue to make an ass of yourself and I have to apologize to asses everywhere for insulting them by linking them with you.

        I have not written my own copy of the Constitution, as you accuse. There are no mentions in our great document of the words Jesus or Christ. This is a fact so I am not making anything up. God yes but not Jesus. We go through this often and you do not get that either. The Founders deliberately did not get religious specific because they wanted Religious Freedom for all who come here to live.

        By the way, it was Torah from which Jesus quoted when he taught and preached. Maybe a bit differently from how it was presented in your bibles many years after he was crucified but non the less that does not eliminate the source of Jesus’ messages. As a rabbi Jesus taught Torah as it was intended. I believe when he would say things such as “only through me can you enter the gates of Heaven” he did as most religious leaders do, (rabbis, Catholic priests, Protestant ministers, Islamic Imam), they quote from their respective scriptures and are not talking about themselves. If you really understood what you call The Old Testament you might know what is meant by that.

        To each his own faith equally or we have no Liberty or Freedom Of Religion and if you cannot get that please stop calling yourself “Charlie Freedom”.

      • Charlie

        macgyver1948,,,
        What does a “axiomatic” statement have to do with semantics??? Now there is a “Axiom” of Law that says “first in time, first in Law”,,,So?,,, was your Hebrew Bible written before the KJV or the Organic Bible that the KJV was translated from???
        macgyver, King Jesus said to confess your sins and He is willing to forgive your sins…
        Who in Your Hebrew Bible has The Authority from God to forgive “”Sins””???
        See John 8:37—55 tells you who you are, and the reason you think the way you do…
        Lying about God and His Son King Jesus Christ, is definitely a SIN… AND God does Hate some things and some people. see that at Malachi 1:1–5… Meanwhile…………
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • macgyver1948

          Oh Charlie boy… Are you for real? Your KJV was interpreted anfd publicized in the 15th Century and is very similar to the Catholic Bible. Torah, what you might call the Five Books of Moses and the first part or 3 of the Hebrew Bible, was written while Moses and the Israelites wandered aimlessly in the desert for 40 years starting just after that damning Golden Calf thing. So smart guy, which bible did come first and by how many thousands of years?

          You do not even know what you are doing asking “macgyver1948,,,
          What does a “axiomatic” statement have to do with semantics???” Please go back to grade school , assuming you went in the first place,and try to do that right this time.

          Ok Charlie, what are my sins as you see them? You say “macgyver, King Jesus said to confess your sins and He is willing to forgive your sins”. What kind of authority did King James himself have to be authorized sins for to to say that? He was not a religious leader. You do not have a clue who King James really was or what was a huge reason his people wanted a bible in his name. I wonder if you would be so proud of King James if you really knew. If you are into the truth check King James out in history and see what his proclivities/desires were along with his mom’s. What would I have to confess to God according to you?

          You ask me “Who in Your Hebrew Bible has The Authority from God to forgive “”Sins””???” From our bible and belief system ONLY God has the authority to forgive sins, no one else and there are no intermediaries.

          Show me where and how I am lying about God or your version of His son by way of any authority that I recognize. IF you can’t use an authority I recognize then you prove nothing, which is your standard. You are so much a nasty b*astard with your accusations and how you deny other religions. Since you brought it up show me where I am in this you suggest for me to see (see below). Was I there then for your Jesus to be saying this to me? Or was he talking to specific people who were denying that he was the Chosen Hebrew Messiah? There was no proof Jesus was then and there isn’t now. JESUS DID NOT FULLFIULL THE HEBREW PROPHACIES EVER TO BE RECIGNIZED AS THE HEBREW MESSIAH so why would any Jew take him that way? Something that very important would need loads of proof. He is your messiah if you want him for that, he is not that for any who are not Christian. Why can’t your pea brain except that you intolerant and non-accepting of others b*astard???

          I believe there is so much that is out-of-context in the below if it did take place. For example, if Abraham said he would rejoice to see his day, referring to your scripture #56 below as God would tell Abraham of a coming Hebrew Messiah he, Abraham, would not be speaking of a demi-god, he would be referring to someone who is all human, as God would. Either learn the Hebrew Bible or forget it all and just stay in your bible for you.

          John 8:37-59
          King James Version (KJV)
          37 I know that ye are Abraham’s seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
          38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
          39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
          40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
          41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
          42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
          43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
          44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
          45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
          46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
          47 He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
          48 Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?
          49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.
          50 And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.
          51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
          52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
          53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
          54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
          55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
          56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
          57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
          58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
          59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

      • Charlie

        macgyver1948,,,
        Since you are into “”Double think”””and picking at The Holy Bible, KJV, NASB, to make up your bible, you have no evidence with any long standing history to prove what you say….Is Psalm 119:160 in your bible??? IF, it is ,,,tell Me what it means………………
        My primary lineage is from Shem , does that make Me a Semite??? or a Jew? You called Me a bastard, so I figured you might know more about My lineage than I do…..
        King Jesus said no one comes to His Father with out The Son’s Authority,,,so, whose Name do you Pray in? or do you pray?……………. We think you have been and are, duped, deceived and deluded by the Satanic powers that be… Is Satan in your bible?
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • macgyver1948

          Charlie… Wow how much are you into showing how dumb you are? My bible has been around so much longer than the Catholic Bible and the KJV has been here for just a few centuries. I do not make up anything, as you delusion-ally claim, and your denial of the existence of the Hebrew Bible shows just how delusional you really are. Why do you continue to forget Christians call The Hebrew Bible ‘The Old Testament’? Are you really devoid of memory cells or just so much in denial? Please get help. A state mental hospital is your best bet for residence.

          You ask “….Is Psalm 119:160 in your bible??? If, it is ,,,tell Me what it means”. It goes up to Psalm 150 in The Hebrew Bible and as far as I can tell there are only 150 Paslms in the KJV too but what specifically would you like to know? You ask me to explain 41 Psalms (even though 10 of those do not exist, LOL), LOL… I would ask if you are joking by asking me to explain all of those but I know you are the joke… By the way, the first 118 Psalms are in my bible as well, LOL…

          I wonder where you think the Psalms come form? LOL…

          • Deerinwater
          • macgyver1948

            Deerinwater… You didn’t say anything, lol…

          • Deerinwater

            I think Lewis Black said everything that needed to be said on the matter.

            It’s sort of comical in a way ~ My Sir name is Winkler which is Jewish, my father was a rascal of sorts from a family of rascals, that was nicknamed Hitler by his friends that married a dye in the wool Church of Christ girl of 17. ~ So i grew up with only the Protestant teaching side of the Biblical story ~ A story that never quite ringed clear to me and offered more confusion then answers. Even as a young man, their answers , I wasn’t buying.

            I understand people like Charlie, ~ very well. ~ and somewhat embarrassed for him. I don’t mean that as a put-down way directed just at him ~ but myself and all the hardcore protestants I’ve known over the years, who’s understanding was the only acceptable understanding.

            I don’t know if I’m Jewish or not but i’m certainly not a practicing one and would not know where to start. This late in the game, I’m going to pass.

            I figure any God that is God would take into account my dilemma. A least I not going around passing moral judgement on my fellow man by religious affiliations. ~ Maybe that will get me thought the gate, ~ I’ll dress light just in case.

          • macgyver1948

            Deerinwater… One of the big points Charlie seems to miss is that we should not judge others for their choices in life and that includes religion. We each must choose what makes the most sense to us as individuals. If I were a Christian I would be embarrassed by the Charlies. Since moving to the mid west, the so-called bible belt, I have met a good number if Charlies.

            Traditionally the rolls of upbringing goes to the mom if there are two parents and the dad is away all day working. With that the religious practice and training goes according to the mom’s faith. I am not sure if this is a hard and fast practice these days within two parent wage earners and who knows what but it seems to be the case more often than not. When the kids grow up religion becomes their choice. What you are is up to you since you became of age.

            It is hard to say how God would take all this but I believe he is most understanding. I also believe it might make Him laugh for humans to speak for him and make his decisions and I find it funny too. I have thought about it and since there were no religions around for a long time after man came on the scene God would be more likely to allow man to make his own choice when it comes to how we relate to Him but how could I really know? It is the Free Will thing He gave us that gets me to these thoughts and for any human to try to deny us that, as we see with some on here, I feel we just have to ignore their ravings and hypocrisies especially if they say they are of God. To each his own is how it should be and no Tom, Dick or Charlie has the right to tell us we are wrong. After all, how could they know unless they were in God’s direct lecture classes or around since the beginning of time? It is really just how we choose to believe.

      • Charlie

        macgyver1948,,,
        The Dummy will tell you what Psalm 119:160 IS, it is the “Equation” for Truth, The Holy Bible is written in Math terms to some extent… The Holy Bible is as simple OR as complex as one wants to search it out… Most Psalms were written by King David , who was in the family tree of King Jesus Christ… King David and King Jesus Christ were Bloodline Jews from the tribe of Judah… So, here is the NASB version of Psalm 119:160 : The sum of Your word is truth,”… Equation wise, God’s words = Truth… That’s in The Holy Bible , which is written by “Hebrews” under God’s directions… Most People in The Holy Bible were/are of the Hebrew lineage,,,even the so called Jews were/are of the Hebrew lineage… So,, the old and New Testaments were written by Hebrews… BUT,,,
        the Hebrew lineage got some heavy “Bastardization” by Esau / Edom …That’s what King Jesus pointed out at John 8:37–57, which you printed out in these comments…
        That’s what most so called modern day Jews are from the Hebrew lineage thru Esau and his lineage, which are also called Edomites… Esau , Edom are the same group…
        Notice what’s going to happen to Esau and his lineage at the one page book of Obadiah,,,AND,,,at Malachi 1:1–5…Both of these Prophesies are in The Holy Bible written by Hebrews… OK? Dummer macgyver , what have you got to prove the above wrong to your brother Dummy??? Meanwhile…………………………
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • macgyver1948

          Oh Charlie… You assume way too much here. Torah, the first five books of the Hebrew Bible – what you might call the Five books of Moses – was written by God and dictated to Moses. Our Bible in a sense ended, although it is alive and well for many Jews today, with Ezra / Nehemiah. There is not any other bible for us because there is no new testament for us. You can connect your New Testament to the Hebrew bible if you want for you but we see no connection, no real continuation. We do not see your New Testament as a continuation of the Hebrew Bible and that Jesus has a lot to do with your testament is a good reason why. We simply cannot believe in him and it being a mortal sin for us to do so is a very good reason.

          Considering the old Hebrews had a patriarchal society, meaning things like most legacies were past down from male to male, how would you know Jesus is in King David’s direct blood line? You claim Jesus has no mortal father so how could he be?

          This should be interesting for you but I do not know if you have the sense or the Americanism to accept it for those who will not believe as you – http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/jewsandjesus/
          It is titled “Why Don’t Jews Believe In Jesus?”.

          Or try this one – http://www.beingjewish.com/toshuv/whynotbrief.html
          You are so much a denier of human rights in this and it is so sad. You deny Free Will and you go by the sick notion that no one has the right to believe as they choose, only you are right in your ravings. What you believe is right for you and you need to accept that and let others have that same right as you. Do you have the guts to at least read those sites and see why we Jews CANNOT accept Jesus or will you live in denial all the rest of your life? I am in no way asking you to convert if you read them, just to try to understand and accept for others.

          Here is an interesting read as well – http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_some_differences_between_Judaism_and_Christianity

          If there is a living non-programmed brain cell in your head look at the below first two of the Ten Commandants. They also show why we Jews CANNOT accept Jesus.

          1 – Thou shall have no other gods before me…

          2 – Thou shall not make unto thee any graven image

          As I read your New Testament Jesus is a demi-god because of immaculate or divine conception. Since the Hebrew Prophets who spoke of the coming Hebrew Messiah as being of two biological mortal parents this alone eliminates Jesus from being the Hebrew Messiah right from the point of conception. Demi-gods, assuming just for the moment they ever existed – which we do not believe, are a conceived combination of a god and a mortal. That makes the demi-god less than his/her god parent and a violation of the the 1st of the Ten Commandants. Not to be taken literally but a demi-god is a graven image so the 2nd Commandant may also apply.

          By the way,  Judaism: – says that no human can ever die or atone for the sins of others and sins can only be atoned for by animal sacrifice or prayer and restitution. IE: this strongly says to us Jews “ONLY GOD CAN ATONE FOR OUR SINS – NO ONE ELSE”, not even an imaginary demi-god.

          So Charlie boy, either we have respect for how others believes, that is equally as we would want for ourselves, or we have the lack of FREEDOM OF RELIGION and you, Charlie boy, are asking Jews to commit mortal sin as we see it, as God has told us. What does your faith, your religion, your bible say about any Christian who knowingly tries to get others to commit mortal sin?  You are doing just that.

          Enjoy your eternity Charlie boy.

          Hebrew Prophets believed the Hebrew Messiah will be of two mortal, be conceived by them, parents. How could they come by that belief if the very idea of a Hebrew Messiah comes from God to them and ultimately us?

          It is important to understand why Jews don’t believe in Jesus as the messiah. … 350 years after prophecy had ended. 2. DESCENDENT OF DAVID The Messiah must be … the messianic requirement of being descended on his father’s side from King David! … The Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance.
          http://www.hanefesh.com/Jewish-Christian_Talk.htm

      • Charlie

        macgyver1948,,,
        Once again the Dummy will spoon feed you some Bible info that You can read for yourself … Read the so called Old Testament from Genesis to Malachi and you will see The Family Tree,,the lineage ,,,of Adam to Noah and from Noah thru to Jesus Christ…All these were Adamites and / or the lineage of Noah and His 3 sons… Trace Shem on into time and you will find the “”Hebrews””,,,the Hebrews came on line about 7 generations before the Jews were even thought of…. Jesus is called out in every Book of the Old Testament… NO ONE can by pass King Jesus Christ and Communicate with The Almighty God… Dummer macgyver figure out the lineage of the Hebrews it all in most any Hebrew Bible… Meanwhile…………………..
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • macgyver1948

          Charlie… Did you at least go to those sites I suggested so you might learn there are differences in religious beliefs. You deserve no respect at all if you have no respect for anyone else’s beliefs. How would your Jesus feel about that? There is no connection to Jesus within the Hebrew Bible, no mention of him at all in there. If you aren’t going to read what I suggest (you do not have to change your believes) then you aren’t worth knowing. You do not want to learn about other people so who cares what you believe?

          You say “Once again the Dummy will spoon feed you some Bible info that You can read for yourself …”. Who is the “Dummy” you disrespectful punk? I have read and studied the Hebrew Bible while in Hebrew School all those many years when I was a kid and I still read it. I have also read two Christian Bibles cover to cover, The Catholic and the KJV, which is why I know they are pretty much the same with a few stories/books eliminated in the ladder KJV, but haven’t made a major study of those but that is how I know the Hebrew Bible, again what you call The Old Testament, and the Christian bibles contradict.

          I guess you are just not interested in anyone or anything that will not agree with you and your insanity. I am not referring to your religion as your insanity but to you. How can anyone learn from you with your dark attitude? I really do feel sorry for you.

      • Charlie

        macgyver1948,,,
        You have yet to show any documentation from a source that has historical value such as Roman history records, that will or has stated just when the so called Jews started in recorded history. The Holy Bible, KJV, NASB, have NOT been proven wrong yet… You do not have enough Bible background to even decode the fact that Jesus Christ The Son of The Almighty God is pointed at in every Book of the Old Testament of the KJV… Since I told you what Psalm 119:160 means, You tell Me what 1 Chronicles 16:13 says.
        Meanwhile… Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • macgyver1948

          Charlie… It is about faith since we cannot prove any of them right.

          What do you mean by “The Holy Bible, KJV, NASB, have NOT been proven wrong yet…”. I do not either want to prove it wrong nor do I need to. You CANNOT prove any immaculate conception ever happened. You cannot prove the after death rising. I really do respect peoples choice to have faith in these things but there is absolutely no proof. If you read the Hebrew Bible, the one your Jesus went by as a teaching rabbi you would know why we cannot believe in him.

          You ask for proof, ok, prove the Romans say Jesus was dead on the cross and then rose 3 days later. Prove Daniel, from the Hebrew Bible, something your Jesus as a rabbi spoke of from our bible, did not already happen in the year 70 AD as per roman history (since you mention Roman history.

          I will give you a clue. In Danial’s Prophecy he speaks of a greater beast ordering a lessor beast to destroy the great city (which in that area is Jerusalem). The greater beast told the lesser one to destroy everything and everyone, to end their days. Jesus spoke of this in your bible from The Hebrew Bible and then in the year 70 AD the Roman emperor at that time ordered his son, General Titus, to do just that to punish the Jews for the rebellions. Destroy everything by fire and sward all in and around Jerusalem. Take the (2nd) Temple apart brick by brick and send all the religious artifacts to Rome.

          Ok there is prophecy coming true in history. Prove it wrong. I do not have to prove anything, the 70 AD event is recorded in history. Go find it and prove it didn’t happen. Oh, maybe a related story in Revelations was a story by someone who knew of both the prophesy and/or the historical event so it already happened. Prove that wrong or prove the Revelations version to be a prophesy and it still hasn’t happened. I see too many coincidences for it not to be the occurrence that took place in 70 AD and prophecy from Danial. Prove me wrong.

          You say to me “You do not have enough Bible background to even decode the fact that Jesus Christ The Son of The Almighty God is pointed at in every Book of the Old Testament of the KJV…”.

          Again I do not have to prove it wrong. For Jews to pray to and praise Jesus would be a mortal sin for us so you have to prove our bible wrong for us to even think of considering it.

          One more thing on this prove thing. Prove Jesus did not have biological brothers. I do not have to prove he didn’t, remember I believe he had two biological parents who had more than one child.
          You didn’t prove anything with Psalms (and you still have the number of them wrong), I knew David wrote a bunch of them and I have had it here in my bible for a long time.

          1 Chronicles 16:13 has to do wit the sons of Jacob/descendants of Israel. It is in your bible and not in mine. I told you I haven’t made a major study of your KJV but I have read it.

          If you will not read what I suggest and expect me to read your stuff for you then we are going nowhere. You will remain ignorant and we cannot really discuss anything. Try reading through all the sites I suggested to you yesterday because they explain a lot of why Jews CANNOT have anything to do with Jesus. That is unless you are afraid to learn about other people.

      • Charlie

        macgyver1948,,,
        Well , how about that? Dummer macgyver ,skip,dance around another Hebrew Scripture again,,,so,,,please allow dummy Charlie Freedom to tell you what 1 Chronicles 16:13 says, and prove it or Me wrong with other Scripture IF,,,you can… 16:13 tells all who God’s Chosen People are,,,Notice , Jacob Israel is One Man, his lineage are the Children of Israel… THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL ARE GOD’S CHOSEN PEOPLE!!!… Now,,,IF,,, one happens to be a BLOODLINE Jew ,,,then,,,they are in that Children of Israel group of People because the Tribe of Judah is the origination of Bloodline Jews… One MUST have bloodline lineage to one of The Tribes of the 13 Sons of the Man Jacob Israel to be considered one of The Children of Israel… The lineage of Esau /Edom is condemned FOREVER,,,see that at Malachi 1:–5 ,,,Malachi the last book in The Hebrew Old Testament… King Jesus Christ preached from The Old Testament,,, even as a boy,,see that in The New Testament… Dummer macgyver, wise up, or stay on the road to hell…..
        Meanwhile… Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • macgyver1948

          Oh Charlie,,, You are such a fool and you should never be taken seriously. You are the one not responding to suggestions or questions. You do not want to learn, you want to stay in the dark all the rest of your life do you? Well that is what makes you hopeless.

          Why by know at least do you still think I do not know “who God’s Chosen People are,,,Notice , Jacob Israel is One Man, his lineage are the Children of Israel… THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL ARE GOD’S CHOSEN PEOPLE!!!…”? If you cannot see I knew that long before you did then you truly are not reading or at least paying attention to what you read if you do read what I write to you. You say so much well know and obvious stuff in this post of yours. YOU ARE NO TEACHER.

          Lets fix something here. Judah is maybe where the name Jew comes from but God told Abraham he would be the father of great nations so it began with him. Abraham is the father of Judaism and the Grandfather, maybe the father, of the Islamic nation. I am told by tradition I am of the Tribe of Levi but none the less in the bloodline of Abraham.
          One of the three Jewish forefathers, Jacob/Israel, fathered 12 sons – they are the ancestors of the Tribes of Israel. After conquering Israel, each tribe occupied a separate territory in the land. The Tribe of Levi was set apart for the other tribes to serve in the Holy Temple.

          Who is really the dummy here? I always knew that “Jesus Christ preached from The Old Testament,,, even as a boy,,see that in The New Testament”. I told you that a while ago in different messages. But I bet you have no idea what he was teaching form that Hebrew Bible since you guys like to reinvent the meanings of the Hebrew Bible as you deem necessary to prove and justify your existence. A rabbi teaches our bible as it was taught to Moses by God and not in new and other ways and Jesus was no different in that since he was taught the Hebrew way, not your way. From some of my readings of the history of that time Jesus was a respected rabbi by all who knew him, even though he had a small following while he was alive and that included those at the top in the Temple. They felt his teaching may have been a bit radical but none the less they respected him for following tradition, Jewish tradition, again, not yours.

          Again, Old Testament is a Christian renaming of our bible and it is not what we call it. We do not have a “New” testament in this nor do we recognize one as part of our bible for us. We do not care what you call it for you.

          LOL… I might be on the road to hell, as you say, if I violate God’s teachings through Torah by praying to and accepting Jesus. You just do not get that as it is for (bloodline and converted) Jews and I will never understand how you guys can put our bible in the same binding as yours and not see the contradictions but you have that right I suppose. It is so sad to hear or read from closed minded people, such as you and I am being very polite toward you in this, when they will not consider the rights of others as much as they want their own rights respected. From a Jewish point of view why would you try to get us to commit mortal sin in the worshiping of an entity which is not God? I do not put you down for how you choose to believe, just putting you down for being how you are toward others who will not agree with you, so why are you so evil in this? IF you cannot respect other people belief’s then you deserve non for yours. I wonder if this is where the Tea attitude comes from.

      • Charlie

        macgyver1948,,,
        Now , you are from the tribe of Levi ? you said before you were a bloodline Jew,,,make up your double think confused mind,,,maybe that’s a double breed to go along with your double think mind,,,ha ha h a…. you write a bunch of words with little Biblical Truth especially regarding The relationship of OT to The NT… Meanwhile …………………
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • macgyver1948

          Charlie… Wow, how much dumber can you get? You are continuing to show you know less than nothing about the Hebrew Bible, Jesus’ bible. Talk all you want but since you are not reading what I say and looking at the sites I suggest you aren’t worth this exchange. Levi is one of Jacob’s sons. The bloodline for Jews begins with Abraham, you have been misinformed thinking it begins with Judah and you are passing along misinformation but you do that so very well anyway. Again, JUDAH MAY BE WHERE THE NAME JEW COMES FROM BUT HE IS NOT THE START OF THE BLOODLINE. How does it feel to be a schmuck? LOL, you are unbelievable, LOL…

          I do not care what your religious leaders, your bibles or you say about what is in the Hebrew Bible, I care only what rabbis would say as well as Hebrew scalers. If I want interpretation of Christian scripture I will ask a Catholic Priest or a Protestant Minister, not you or your kind. As you continue to prove you know nothing about the bible Jesus, your deity and not mine, taught there is no reason to consult you on any religious matter. Please keep your ignorance to yourself and stop misinforming others too.

      • Charlie

        macgyver1948,,,
        Well,,,how dumb can it get? one can be so dumb they don’t know that Abraham was/is a Hebrew ,and NOT a Jew and that bloodline Jews can ONLY come from The Tribe of Judah.
        AND that Judah himself was a Hebrew, because Judah’s daddy and granddaddy were Hebrews … Any other so called “Jew” as defined by The Holy Bible is a Religious Jew OR a Geographical Jew… AND what’s dummer is some body that can read The Holy Bible and then deny that Jesus Christ is The Son of The Almighty God……….. Meanwhile………..
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • macgyver1948

          Charlie… Play with your semantics, again, who cares? You do not get that people have a right to their own choice of faith and that in itself makes you against Freedom Of Religion. What else of the Constitution are you against?

          Abraham was the First Jew but if you prefer the word Hebrew go for it, again, who cares? The point is you are BSing with the wording and using bad trivia to make your contempt for those who will not agree with you your point win out and not the substance of the thing. You are detracting from the truth because you do not want what is different from your belief to win.

          Then you rant with “AND that Judah himself was a Hebrew, because Judah’s daddy and granddaddy were Hebrews … Any other so called “Jew” as defined by The Holy Bible is a Religious Jew OR a Geographical Jew…” . Speak for your religion if you think you can but it is so obvious that you cannot speak for Jews or Hebrews , whatever. You do not know the essence of the definitions of Hebrew Scripture or its spirit and you are not at all qualified to speak for Jews or Hebrews.

          You must be insane or so paralyzed with mental programming to say “The Holy Bible is a Religious Jew OR a Geographical Jew… AND what’s dummer is some body that can read The Holy Bible and then deny that Jesus Christ is The Son of The Almighty God………”. WOW I cannot believe you are really alive or able at least to comprehend what I have been saying to you. We Jews/Hebrews cannot accept Jesus Christ as anything but a totally biological mortal from history per the Hebrew Bible. You are so dense that I am laughing because I do not understand how you are still breathing with your low IQ. How do you continue to know how? Why can you not accept other people’s religion for them? I am not asking you to believe this for you but for us.

          You do not understand Hebrew scripture as is proved by what you say of it using the BS you come up with in general and now with “some body that can read The Holy Bible and then deny that Jesus Christ is The Son of The Almighty God………”. If you know how to read and comprehend please read the Hebrew Bible and try to understand what you are reading. Again, I do not deny you your right to believe as you do but for you to deny me my right by trying the crap you use is laughable. Please read the sites I sent you because they may be easier for you to comprehend. They speak for Jews/Hebrews and they explain Hebrew scripture pretty simply even for someone with an IQ as low as yours, you simply cannot.

          Why should I commit mortal sin as you are suggesting? Why should I of any kind? I do pretty much understand your bible as many people who do not study it but just because I read what your bible says doesn’t mean I should say NO to God as He has asked of us Jews. Why, just because you say so? I would rather say no to you than to God as he speaks in the Hebrew Bible.

      • Charlie

        macgyver1948,,,
        You certainly have the freedom to choose, what ever God/god you want to serve, and/or believe what ever “Truth”/ “Lies” you “”Choose””…AND,,,The Constitution DOES NOT supersede or in any way belittle The Holy Bible,,,because,,,IF,,, The Almighty God is not Who and what The Holy Bible says He and His Son are,,,THEN,,, We all have some very serious “Limitations” to “”Think”” about… But,,,what, IF,you have made the wrong choice?
        How can one prove out that his/her choice is indeed a “Right” and “True” Choice???
        Meanwhile,,, Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • macgyver1948

          Charlie… I can say to you as well, as you say to me, “But,,,what, IF,you have made the wrong choice? How can one prove out that his/her choice is indeed a “Right” and “True” Choice???”. You and I can neither prove you right or wrong and the same for me, we just choose to believe what feels right for us. I go by The Hebrew Bible and how it was taught to and since Moses by God through rabbis thousands of years ago and you go by your KJV as it was interpreted and published just a few hundred years ago and taught since. It doesn’t really matter just so we relate to God as we each believe we should. But to tell others how wrong they are, as you do, is asinine and that is where you are wrong.

          Do you know there are a couple of Popes in history, and then Catholic members as well, who said Protestants are betrayers of the true church of Christ and there are Protestants who claim Catholics are not Christians. How do we know who of these are right and who are wrong? Are either of them wrong – or right? How do we know? The simple answer is we do not know so we all should respect how others believe for themselves within their faiths and stop putting others down for not being as “we are” or we do not deserve any respect for ourselves.

          The ways you speak of others who are not of the same religious (and maybe politically as well) mind set as you speaks volumes about you and it is all dark and negative. You are not qualified to judge others, or to decide who is right and who is wrong, so maybe you should leave that up to God and stop telling others they are wrong and doing that ridiculous judgment thing that you do. In the end only God can do that judging thing anyway, that is seeing who is right and who is wrong. He already knows.

          You are right when you say “But,,,what, IF,you have made the wrong choice? How can one prove out that his/her choice is indeed a “Right” and “True” Choice????”. The Constitution makes no judgment and it chooses no religion for any of us, that is left up to each of us individually. There is no mention of Yahwey or Jesus or Buddha etc but it may use the generic title ‘God’ because the Founders believed we should be guided by morals. Again, God knows who is right and who is wrong, you very much obviously do not. “Choice” is a God given thing and it is backed up by the US Constitution. What gives you the right to say God and the Constitution are wrong in their beliefs if anyone does not see things your ways? I sense you do not like the Constitution if it isn’t interrupted your way. Sad if you call yourself an American. Also sad if you call yourself a man of God with how you deny Free Will and Free Choice in how you claim people are wrong if they do not see things your ways. A common theme there in you, isn’t there? It is almost like you think of yourself as God to make such judgments. Sad…

      • Charlie

        macgyver1948,,,
        Is your God The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob Israel as called out in The KJV?,,,now give a straight forward answer , not, your usual run around with no good reference type answer… Meanwhile …………………
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • macgyver1948

          Charlie…. What are you doing? I have answered this question for you I do not know how many times. My God is The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob/Israel as he is from the Hebrew Bible, or what your religions has taken and renamed “The Old Testament”. My bible does not include any kind of New or Christian Testaments. I told you this many times. We Jews do not believe in Jesus so why would we have anything Christian/Jesus within our religion or our bible? Why do you ask a question that has been answered for you many times?You are a nasty ass.

          I have always given you straight forward answers. The problem is you refuse to accept any answers or descriptions or scripture explanations which do not agree with what you say is the only right ways to believe. The problem is you and your excepting and respecting mind.

          I have tried to make my responses simple for you, giving you simple examples and explanations with web site reference and Hebrew Biblical references but you refuse to accept anything I give. We talk about Hebrew scripture but you turn it all around and give your Christian responses, as you see them, and everything Hebrew since Abraham, and in our bible has to be wrong because you wont agree. How does any person deal with you? Simple put, you refuse the Religion of Jesus as well as the religion of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob/Israel. I do not think anyone can respond to you in ways you would accept. You are totally helpless.

          • Deerinwater

            macgyver1948, ~ I don’t mean to discourage you but Charles is here to “Broadcast” only, ~ if he even has a “Receiver”, it’s turned off.

            You can’t put anything in a “full cup” and Charlies cup is full.

            He “knows” ~ like no ones else knows. ~ He understands, like one one else understands.

            He believes like no one else believes.

            This “walk on water” mental state can sometimes last up to 6 to 9 months.

            Blessed are the peacemakers and caregivers of which Charlie is neither.

            In any case, you waste your good efforts that would be best focused elsewhere. Let this one go. There is defeat, there will be no victory.

          • macgyver1948

            Deerinwater … I know you are right and I am about to give up on this guy. If he sends any more ridiculous almost Nazi-like “Broadcast only” messages I will ignore him. His brain is on send only as though he was on acid and he reads nothing he disagrees with…. Thanks, I should have passed him by a while ago when he first showed his hate and lack of decent acceptance of other people’s rights and beliefs…

          • Deerinwater

            It can’t be said that you didn’t “reach-out” my friend. Your are not guilty of a thoughtful word left unspoken.

            Thank goodness, not all Christians are not that way. ~

            I can remember when I finally “got the message” ~ received the revelation , a piffany ~ i was on cloud 9 ~ I had worked so hard for it! I too was overwhelmed and allowed pride to overcome me.

            Is was quite an experience ~ while I got there a different route via Zen. ~ The Eastern approach to being “One” with the universe and my purpose being “to serve”

            Christian teaching do not address matters of self ego very well. ~ Well? I say that but it does, it’s just misunderstood and not highlighted as to it’s importance.

            All roads leads to Rome, some just take longer to get there then others.

            Allow Charlie to do his “end zone” dance.

          • macgyver1948

            Deerinwater… I know so many Christians who are not that way, thank God. I wonder how the ones who are like Charlie can actually call themselves Christians as intolerant as he is.

            Zen huh. Good for you. I have studied philosophy and Taoism is a major attention getter for me. It is not taken as a religion by me but I enjoy its philosophical teachings. I also try to learn Kabbalah, ancient Hebrew Wisdom, and it amazes me that it and Tao have so many common elements. I do not see them traveling together in history and that is part of my amazement.

            Ego is important to us emotionally and intellectually but it has to be controlled by us or we lose sight of our goals. It is there so we really shouldn’t ignore it or we could hurt ourselves. Mental hospitals are full of people in denial of who they are and should be and a lot of that is because they try to be who they are told to be. I think Christianity instructs its members to hide ego and ignore it because the church will not be as in control as they would like. Who knows for sure but some rabbi’s I know say we need to let ego know we control it. Rabbi’s do not need to control. Their main function is to teach and explain Torah and be a guide when they can. They know they cannot be an intermediary for God so they do not try to do all things.

            You say “allow Charlie”. I have no control over him nor do I want any. He will be fine in his delusions and he doesn’t need my help, LOL. I just hope for his sake he settles into Christianity as he sees it for himself and allows others their rights and understandings and acceptances. I feel sorry for him as he is.

      • Charlie

        macgyver1948,,,
        Well,,,since you write that The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob Israel is your God,,,that’s The same God that had The KJV, “Original Contexts” written by His Men… That’s called The Holy Bible today ,,.most of the double talk ,lies, and utter nonsense you write is a little true,,,BUT,,,that’s the favorite trick of The Devil that is named in The Holy Bible… King Jesus Christ refuted The Devil with OT Scriptures,,,see that at Matthew 4… King Jesus Christ also pointed out who you so called Jews are at John 8:37—58… You have been caught in your improper gander, by one of the Modern day Prophets…Meanwhile……………
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • macgyver1948

          Charlie… Think again Charlie, think again. Your KJV wasn’t interrupted from others sources until King James days a few hundred years ago and they did that interpreting how they wanted it in their ways. It is so much like the Catholic bible, with some deletions, it could almost be said the King James people were plagiarizing since the Catholic Bible was legally and officially published a good number of centuries before. I have no problem with people using the KJV, all Christian Bibles are basically the same to me since they are not my bible and I wonder why you have that delusional problem of not accepting that.

          A question. If you continue to insult and name call those who will not agree with you, such as in “most of the double talk ,lies, and utter nonsense you write is a little true,,” how can you expect anyone to have respect for you and what you say? And if you associate other people’s beliefs with the devil that too is showing people you are NOT worth dealing with. As you associate the Hebrew Bible wit the devil so goes your sanity and credibility.

          You include in this “King Jesus Christ refuted The Devil with OT Scriptures”. Of course he would, if he really did have exchanges with the devil, since he was a rabbi. What other scripture would a rabbi use?

          You just do not get it. Think what ever you choose to think but your King Jesus was never a Hebrew king as I have told you at least once before. As an outsider you have no right to anoint or declare any Hebrew King and neither do the translators of any bible for any other religion. If you want him for your king so be it, we Jews wouldn’t care since he was just a man in history to us. You can have your Christian Messiah too, we Jews will patiently wait for the Hebrew Messiah until God sends him as Torah and Hebrew Scripture tells us, his first coming. That is the ways it is written in our bible and the ways it will be. It is not up to you for us, it is how it is in our bible according to God. Enjoy your delusions for others but please consider getting some help for yourself.

      • Charlie

        macgyver1948,,,
        Did you read Matthew 4? The Devil is called out at many places in The Holy Bible, both in The OT and NT of The Holy Bible… Your Hebrew bible is just a copy cat of The Holy Bible
        with many violations of what King Jesus said at Revelations 22:18,19… The Book of Revelations proves that The God of The Holy Bible is God of both The OT and NT…
        The Jew fraud game is over, The Almighty God and His Son, King Jesus Christ have exposed it to those that Pray to The Almighty God in The Name and Blood of Jesus Christ.
        Meanwhile………………………….
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • macgyver1948

          Charlie… How can my Hebrew Bible be “just a copy cat of The Holy Bible”, as you say, when the Hebrew Bible has been around for thousands of years before your KJV bible? Almost 300 hundred years after Jesus was exacted the creators of the Catholic Church took the Hebrew Bible, renamed it “The Old Testament”, and then put it in the same binding with their interrupted “New Testament and, wha-la, the first sanctioned Christian Bible in history – The Catholic Bible.

          Then some 1300 or so years later along comes your King James (you really should do some historical study on your boy King James and his mommy although you might not like them if you did) and his people do pretty much the same thing as the creators of the Catholic Church did with their bible and they developed their version of the Christian Bible) and called it “The King James Version”, very similar to the Catholic Bible, after their demented and viscously depraved king Jimmy, you know, your guy. There were several others in the previous 2 or 3 hundred years who developed their Protestant Bibles as well but for some reason the KJV became more used by Christians in Europe at that time. Your KJV wasn’t the first and it might not be the last especially since there were several since the KJV.

          I suggested you study who King James and his mommy really were historically, and a main reason why his people wanted a bible bearing his name, because you have become really annoying in your delusions and disrespect, as well as in your ignorance (a “copy cat” when it was so very much older, LOL). Read the real King James and see if you would still really respect him for the things that shocked his people and his court religious ministers. If you still do then you truly are corrupt and dangerous. This is assuming you have the guts to find out the truth about Kinky Jimmy. I am being very polite to King Kimmy in calling him Kinky, very.

          You are truly a joke as well as an insult. LOL… How much longer are you going to prove you do not know what you are talking about? You are truly an ignorant fraud… Charlie, you ignorant slut (from the original Saturday Night Live but the name was changed to suite you)…LOL…

      • Charlie

        macgyver1948,,,
        Ready for another round? of Holy Bible study ? which you are in very much need of???
        Is the book of Revelations in Your Hebrew bible? IF not why not ? Send a list of the books that are in Your Hebrew bible ,and I will compare them to the books in The Holy Bible … The Holy Bible can be proved by The Holy Bible,,,but,,, one has to use the math in Psalm 119:160 AND ,,, harmonize ALL Scripture to arrive at the “Truth” of whatever subject you are dealing with… Meanwhile………………………..
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • macgyver1948

          Charlie… Exchanging bible lessons are we? Ok, if you like, LOL.

          First though, why do you continue to ask questions I have already answered for you? Revelations is not a Hebrew/Jewish thing, it is a Christian thing. Revelations IS NOT IN THE HEBREW BIBLE. Common sense and a modicum of intelligence by now, if nothing else, should have told you that before you asked.
          888

          This is the Hebrew bible, all of it, in its three books.

          Torah - Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy

          Prophets - Joshua, Judges, Samuel, Kings, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah, Malachi

          Writings - Chronicles, Psalms, Job, Proverbs, Ruth, Song of Songs, Ecclesiastes, Lamentations, Esther, Daniel, Ezra / Nehemiah

          Note – In the Hebrew Bible Psalms goes up to 150 and not 160.

          888
          There is NOTHING else after Nehemiah biblically speaking for Jews. That is it, our entire bible, those 3 books. Can you get that now or will you be repeating this kind of forgetfulness such as “Is something from the New Testament in the Hebrew Bible. Jesus is not in any way in the Hebrew Bible so try to remember and not ask your unrelated questions again. With all that said, for the last time “NO, HOW CAN Revelations BE IN THE HEBREW BIBLE?” Besides since the New Testament is about Jesus it would contradict all that is in the Hebrew Bible, thus God as he is to us in our bible, so would that be easier for you to remember? Please wrote it down and place it where you can get to it easily on your desk or table so I won’t have to tell you again.

          Since the New Testament is a Jesus thing why would you continue to ask if something in the New Testament is in the Hebrew Bible, other than quotes or partial quotes as Jesus references the Hebrew Bible when doing his rabbi thing? We do not believe in Jesus so why are you missing that still? Logic just doesn’t mesh with you, does it?

          And again:

          WOW, you say “The Holy Bible can be proved by The Holy Bible,,,” Wow, this just gets funnier and funnier with you. There is no logic in you when you say and use statements like this one. You would so much fail a logic course in any college with thinking like that. I think it would be a waste of time explaining it to you but simply put you cannot prove something with itself.

          Thanks again for the laughs…

          By the way, a few years ago someone very Christian told me the 2nd Commandant in our bible is not the same as the 2nd Commandant in yours so I wonder, if this is true, if there are more changes in Torah, or the other two books, within your Holy Bible/KJV (your Old Testament part), that you guys rewrote God on.

          Here is our 2nd Commandant so see, if you want, if it is the same as God Wrote it. Commandant 2 in the Hebrew Bible – “Thou shall not make unto thee any graven image”. See if it is different for you in your bible.

          Try to remember from your bible in Matthew 5:17, Jesus said, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Til heaven and earth pass, one dot or one tittle shall in no way pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” and Luke 16:17, “It is easier for heaven and earth to pass away, than for one dot of the Law to become void”.

          To Jews Torah, which is the “law” Jesus is referring to in Matthew 5:17 and as it is stated in Luke 16:17, CANNOT be edited, rewritten or eliminated in whole or in part so I would wonder if it is so that Christians might have moved around God’s order of the Ten Commandants. This, the ‘CANNOT’ part when it comes to “adjusting or eliminating” Torah – God’s Laws – is another reason we Jews have no respect, or anything else, for Saul/Paul and his gospels but that is another issue. Here is where I usually ask a person who throws Paul at me and his gospels ‘where Torah/God’s Law has been fulfilled if Heaven and/or Earth are still existing or have they both, or either, passed away or been destroyed as Jesus stated they would be before Torah can be adjusted or changed or eliminated in Matthew 5:17 and Luke 16:17′. Something to think about.

          I am only trying to “harmonize ALL Scripture to arrive at the “Truth” of whatever subject you are dealing with” as you say. Sleep well…

          • Deerinwater

            Just, stopped in to check your progress. ~ and became interested. ~

            I was not aware of the flap over the 2nd commandment. ~ News to me! The Protestant
            faith accepts the 2 commandment the same as you do.

            So I looked it up and here is what I found. ~ Not being Catholic, I’m not sure what to make of it. ~ a rant? ~ i do understand that the Catholic’s do a certain amount of kneeling and bowing. In fact the Baptist is splintered in that they have a term for some Baptist as “Keeling Baptist”. Seems that the Baptist has divide many times over the years. ~ adapted some Pentecostal “ways”

            http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/2nd_command.htm

            I was brought up in the Church of Christ ~ Camellites ~ (the story too long too tell but it has nothing to do with camels)).

            Seem they have their own trademark as well, ~ No bowing! No waving of arms, no chanting, ~ no musical instruments! and all singing is preferred to be done off pitch a half step either way (your choice) No dancing, discouraged women wearing short and showing off their legs , no mix gender public swimming. ~ By 14, I’d had enough! and big to say no more, I left home shortly after knowing life had to get better.

            As child, ~ I was slight of built , small frame. ~ from the age of 4 to 12, I only had older boys to play with in my neighborhood. We played baseball and I became very good at it. ~ I could handle the heat the muscled up bigger boys could put on a ball. I was an advanced little ball player for my age.

            At 12, I was crushed when my family refused to allow my to play Little League Ball as Wednesday night games interfered with Church services. That was the kind of Church family life I grew up in. ~ Church came first.

            I’m uncertain to exactly what Charlie’s been chewing on, ~ but it’s rich enough to burn the skin.

          • macgyver1948

            Deerinwater… It would puzzle me too when it comes to all the Denominations in Christianity, all claiming to be the only right way (otherwise why the differences?) but then I calm dawn as I remember there are 3 major distinctions, or is it levels of observance, with Jews. They are Orthodox (most religious and observant), Conservative (less so than than the Orthodox but still very observant. This is how I was raised and the only conservative slant I will be including political, lol) and then there is reformed (very little observance but still are Jewish).

            We know from history there were very small splinter groups of Christians from Jesus’ time and not until the Catholic Church was formed was there a sanctioned Christian Church and that really didn’t begin until the end of the third to fourth centuries. Several centuries later Catholics protested how the church was running things but even as they continued to love the Catholic bible they splintered off and formed Protestant religions with their own churches. Martin Luther himself was a Catholic Priest who protested the methods of the Catholic Church and that got him imprisoned by the church and eventually a new religion was formed in his name. Lutherans still loved the Catholic Bible.

            It wasn’t until several centuries later that Protestants began to want to further themselves form the Catholic Church so one of the things they did was have their scalers translate the Greek and Hebrew versions of the original bible stories, much as those of the beginnings of the Catholic Church did, and they began publishing their own Protestant versions. Eventually the court of King James did this too and came up with the King James Version. Still, all these versions, to this day are basically the same even as they changed languages. They are all similar to the Catholic version so I will always wonder why they all think they are the only ones who are right.

            I guess it is human nature to feel the team you chose has to be right otherwise why choose that team? You might know the Baptist Church has a splintered off group called the Southern Baptist Church and they think they are righter than the original as well. How can all these many different “we are right in our differences and they are not” churches all be right and all claim that their ways are the ways Jesus wants for all? I do not have a clue but I respect all their choices. Charlie is one of those, and there are many but not necessarily to his degree of delusion, who cannot accept being wrong and he gets childish and insulting about it.

            I was born and raised in New York City, in the Bronx, and I lived most of my adult live in New Jersey. Never did I run into so many intolerant people, not all but many, until I moved to the mid west about 8 years ago. This is a piece of the bible belt. I do not know where the Charlie’s come from but they really should get help and be more respecting of other’s choices. He claims to be American but yet he sees wrong in all who do not see things his ways and he expresses those feelings of his in insult and name calling like a spoiled rotten child would. And he calls himself “Charlie Freedom”. That is a laugh.

          • Deerinwater

            Hmm? ~ The only way that I can make sense of this regional intolerance in the midwest and south is understand how America was slowly populated by groups of like minded people.

            My mother side came to Texas via Oxen pulled wagon from Illinois in the late 17th, farmers , a group of them that shared much in thinking and beliefs. Our towns were originally founded by groups of such like minded people. They came to the middle west, burying the dead and fighting weather and Indians along the way. In-Lander’s, that were not exposed to the everyday differences of other cultures that the seaport life offers. ~ The world was as~ “they” understood it to be and there was no other.

            Cities that spring up by the sea are exposed to more culture diversity and for that therefore they are somewhat desensitized to culture differences. This influx of new blood and new ideas will always be resisted at first as it is the nature of man, We can read about this resistance to influx of mix cultures in early New York City’s history. While given enough time and constant pressure, is seem that offering tolerance is the best way to address the overwhelming tide of new immigration that is just too big to fight!

            The dynamics are different the deeper inland you go.

            I was born and bred northeast Texan, and speak with that southern draw. Yet I can travel to our far south coastline and the people there think that I talk funny. I’m strange to them~ But most of them are not from Texas ~ They love Texas and consider themselves as one, But they are from somewhere else ~ just as my family came for Illinois and my fathers side from Georgia.

            The people that we might find on the coastline are skeptical and apprehensive of strangers but there is a tolerance there that you will not find in land. They will not rush to judgement, or burn your house down, while they will watch from a distance. Only over time and a history of good deeds will acceptance come ~

            People like the Charles of the world, several generations of In-Lander’s~ have and hold tight to a very limited view of the world. Not exactly what you could call “well traveled” folks. In-fact, they would not do well outside the comforts and confines of familiarity. They have grow up inside a bubble of influence. In Land people can do this and live their entire life that way and do well. While strangers bringing them strange thoughts and ideas is not well received.

            Charlie has accepted Jesus Christ ~ lock . stock and barrel ~ and it was sold to him by way of the evangelical militant arm of Christianity, he is a soldier for Jesus Christ. There is no other way too explain it. ~ Much like the Taliban, ~ there is only one way to see things, ~ his way.

            And if you will notice much of the Middle East where intolerance rules ~ is land-locked ~ 5, 10 ,20 generations of people rejecting outside influence.

          • macgyver1948

            Deerinwater… There is something for notion of “birds of a feather…” and that is fine as long as individual rightes and liberty’e are no stepped on. I have a probelm with “you are in “this” place and you need to act as we do” while we are still in America. Pardon the sterotypoing but would that mean if a straight businessman needed to be in San Francisco for business meettings he has to do as the gay Romans there do?

            I like that there are different cultures in America and we need to encourage that but we also need to shun bigotry and stupidy of all kinds.

            You mention the cities which develpoped along cities grew more culturally and with diversity. This is true throughout human history in where cities and nations by the sea or rivers and took the time to visit other cultures for trade or whatever seemed to grow more than those which didn’t. Being exposed to new and different ideas helps a culture crow considerablly. Yeah, earily New York City was a bummer for new types of people and I feel it expresses the how the unknown and bigotry has to be delt with early on. If we do not accept different cultures and beliefs respectively we open ourselve, in varyoing degrees, villance as the gangs in early NYC which were very brutal.
            You say, with in Texas “The people that we might find on the coastline are skeptical and apprehensive of strangers but there is a tolerance there that you will not find in land”. That could be because of the difference in degrees of exposure o other people.

            You mention the “Charles of the world” being locked in to a particular view and they are unyielding. You could be right buyt we should be fair to our Charlie because we do nt really know waht cause his particular lack of acceptance of other people. He himself could just be nuts in his attmet to always be right. He does have the right to accepot Jesus in how he does but when he forces his beliefs on others and insists they are wrong iof they do not totally agree with him then we are taling an evil approacch to religion and, if used as such, in politcs too. I am not defending how e gleems his ways of believing but I do feel sorry for him. You say Charlie “is a soldier for Jesus Christ” but from all I have read of Jesus I do not think Jesus would want a soldier such as Charlie but what do I know?

            In your last paragraph you say “And if you will notice much of the Middle East where intolerance rules ~ is land-locked ~ 5, 10 ,20 generations of people rejecting outside influence”. They are just more Charlies but for the fact that they speak different languages. Intolorance and misunderstanding are the same what ever the language. Charlie may be a generation of his own but we do not know his background, just some of his prejustices.

          • Deerinwater

            “”You say Charlie “is a soldier for Jesus Christ” but from all I have read of Jesus I do not think Jesus would want a soldier such as Charlie but what do I know?”

            I say, ~ agree ~ He would not approve of Charlies ways, while his cousin, John the Baptist might. ~ John had an unruly tongue which cost him his head in the end and so too is it with Charles. Charlie’s behavior typifies the Evangelical aspects of the Gospels ~ the “duty and obligation” to spread the word and recruit .

            However you wish to perceive it,

            Jesus was one enlighten dude ~ by any standard one might apply. Or at least the way it is written and the perception exist. He was the only human recorded as having full control of self ego. It was as if he knew exactly who he was ~ the son of God ~ (as we all are). While the rest of us might say it be so, our faith not that strong, our deepest uncertainties the chinks in our armor.

            The story of Jesus is a fabulous story, while I wish there were less omissions to his life. I feel these omissions were deliberate in order to make him more then just a man.

            Where Jesus was indeed the foretold or just a hard act to follow ~ is hard to say by someone such as myself ~ but for devout Christians ~ there is no question.

            As for my own beliefs ~ we are all Sons of God. ~ you can not deny your creator as your creator cannot deny you. ~ while we can be restricted and limited by our faith.

            John the Baptist ~ was not Christ, John is seen as a precursor, a warm up band.

            But you know Jews better then I do ~ they can spin a great complex story full of guilty and irony and make you dream.

            And why i prefer eastern thinking.

          • macgyver1948

            Deerinwater… Yes, John was a bit rude, volgure and insulting, sounds like Charlie. How is that kind of person suppose to help people resolve their sins? But we Jews cannot be babtized so I wont go into that now. Basically for Jews only God can resolve us of our sins and there is no justifiable internmediary or sub. Anyway, “spreading the word” or prosilitizing is not something we Jews do either. We do not go out to scout or recruit but rabbis will help in a conversion process if the potential convertee convinces the rabbi he/she really wants to be a Jew. Personally I see prosilitizing as insulting and disrespectful and I will expalin why if you ask to know why I personally feel that way.

            I suppose “Jesus was one enlighten dude”. We touched on this before when we talked about people living by water ways became more knoweldgeable and aware than those who were inland if they traveled extensively and met other cultures. I would guess you know when Jesus was a small child he was sent away from Israel because of the Hebrew Prophasy which says the Hebrew Messiah will be anoited king and take over the area for the Jews. King Harod and his and Roman troops, with Rome’s permisson, went out to kill all first born Hebrew male children to prevent the Messiah from doing his thing when he grew up. There were so many young Hebrew male children slaughtered by the Romans and Harod’s men. Also there were many false Hebrew Messiahs in history, many back then in Jesus’ time as they became adults. No one ever proved to pass the tests of the Prophet’s deeds, no one.

            Actually, from my reading, Harrod had a couple of sons of his own and he wanted them to take over when he retired to Miami. LOL. So, King Harod was playing it save by wanting all potential Hebrew Messiahs eliminated.

            Anyway, Jesus was sent away and he traveled for many years to many places and he became enlightened as he met and learned about the people of the places he visited. He was in Eqypt for a while and Turkey and perhps Greese and the far East. I have read that he settled in India for a while and he established a temple of sorts and taught Torah there before returning to The Middle East. I have worked with Indian immigrants and they confirm that Jesus is in their history as doing just that. He learned to be a rabbi while on those journeys too.

            I am not sure we can say Jesus was “the only human recorded as having full control of self ego”. There are stories of many in India and masters in China and Japan, maybe other eastern counties as well, who had similar control. But I believe Jesus was also in China so he picked up many talents and developed many skills. Did you know much of martial arts comes from India? At the very least it was a traveling Indian monk who taught Shalin Monks in China how to defend themselves and it spread from there. Maybe Jesus learned Martial Arts, as well as some other hard to believe stuff while living in India. I have a really interesting personal story that can be the moirror image to the “walking on water” story. No, I dd not walk on water but it was during a martial arts class I was in, LOL… Just something I have wondered about since that day concerning Jesus’ water walk. It has very much to do with Yin-Yang.

            “(as we all are) the sons and daughters of God”. I like that and I always believed that. There are several books and stories of what Jesus was doing and where he went before his final few years back in Israel if you want to look for them. Who knows what is true and what isn’t but they are as interesting as any in the bibles about him if you want to have more ideas of what he was about. I do not know what is true but I have books here some place which tell of him and Many M going on in life after he was crusified. Some tell of him being treated by the Roman Governor’s physician while he was on the cross and a sort of anistesia was applied to give the impression of death. The Governor really liked Jesus but he “had to do his job”. There are other stories saying where they eventually went and settled. Who really knows now but I doubt anyone knows for sure and hasn’t for many centuries.

            You include “John the Baptist ~ was not Christ, John is seen as a precursor, a warm up band”. True but I thought Christianity is really based on Paul-ism and not so much on how Jesus suggested while he was alive. Both Jesus and his deciples always held Torah as The Law and not even after the exacution was that changed for the deciples so there are huge differences between what Jesus taught and what Paul changed and eliminated.

            I also thought John was an inclusion and not a where-with-all as Paul was/is. I really do see what Paul says, and mostly after the crusifiction, as a major contradiction to what Jesus was saying while alive but that is me. It is not my religion so it cannot go by my interpetations for whom it is.

            LOL, dreaming and guilt go hand in hand with many Jews. I too have learned a lot from Eastern thought and guilt is not a biggie with me unless I know I have done something wrong. Then I deal with it mostly according to Jewish traditions and some Eastern practices.

            Pardon any spelling errors. Tonight my word processor’s spell checker is not working and I really ALWAYS need it. It happens now and then and I use this thing a lot.

  • Deerinwater

    WoW! a lot about nothing! ~~

    See how easy it is to start a war with no end?

    All the conjecture and assuming and not a fact in sight!.

    Sheeples ? ~ it’s not hard to be one and nobody wants to admit that they are or have been one.

    We refuse to accept that we’ve been “played”. Somehow, our government is going to hell in a hand basket and it”s the other guys fault!

    I think that we all tend to loose sight of the power of money in our “fever” to “appear” to win!

    I can’t change you and you can’t change me, try as we may.

    ~ leaving me to say ~ there is too much money in politics today. ~ And with each dollar spend, the more distance from the people our government becomes.

    And I don’t have a clue to know what to do about it.

    but just laying down is not an option that I’m willing to consider.

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    “deerinwater,”

    I JUST Googled MY NAME AND VIEWED MY COMMENTARY AT, Personal Liberty Digest, SINCE 25 DECEMBER 2012.

    EVERY TIME I MADE A COMMENT, YOU IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWED.

    NOW, YOU TELL ME IN THIS THREAD [sic], “Chris, this is a world stage and let’s put this to bed.”

    “deerinwater,” YOU ARE THE ONE WHO TOLD ME Brandon Smith WANTS TO, “cut me from the herd.”

    “deerinwater” – YOU ARE PURE F-G-D BULL—-!

    • deerinwater

      See how ease it is to be made into a sheeple Horton? You are a victim of your own thoughts.

      And for the record , I never told you that, ~ you inferred it, I just planted the seed. I offered you validating to your own feeling that you were under targeted attack and you did the rest. You wanted to believe it so.

      Just Tea Party 101 at work~ the secret to making “sheeples” ~ where the claim true or not does not matter anymore ~ you are clearly assuming the position of the “Injured party” and feel required to “REACT”

      And you are right, ~ Horton, I’ve got nothing more to do but follow you around,

      you are the reason I wake up in the morning.

      You are coming apart Horton ~ before you say something really dumb ~ take a break and think on it some more.

      Enough of this white -black talk, Horton. You have been here 6 to 8 months now. ~ blend in ~ and be apart of constructive conversation or prepared to be boarded.

      You have been asked nicely by me on your arrival here, ~ and no less than 20 times since by other’s to quit your shouting ~ when are you going to accept and comply to standard the rest of accept as proper etiquette? As I see it, it’s just another way of wearing your pants around your knees and showing us your a$$.

      I am a patient man Mr. Horton but this turd in the punch bowl act is getting old.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “deerinwater,”

        [comment has been edited] Y-O-U TOLD Brandon Smith, “I know you want to cut Chris from the herd.” DO NOT PLAY THAT F-G-D-S WITH ME! YOUR “TWISTS-AND-TURNS” ARE OLD.

        Y-O-U ARE THE ONE WHO TOOK Brandon Smith AWAY; I HAD A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH Mr. Smith UNTIL YOU “F’-ED IT UP” WITH THAT COMMENT.

        REMEMBER, “deerinwater,” YOU TOLD ME – BACK IN, JULY – [sic], “Chris, if you want to stay here, stop using capital letters.” NOW, I FIND-OUT YOU ARE BIRACIAL. YOUR “ALL-OUT” CAMPAIGN TO GET RID OF ME IS OBVIOUS; AND, YOU HAVE SEVERAL SUPPORTERS.

        BUT, Bob Livingston, IS “TOP DAWG” AROUND HERE; AND, HE HAS THE “FINAL WORD.”

        • Deerinwater

          LOL! I see, ~ so you are blaming me for your actions because of what I said to Brandon Smith?

          Well Mr. Horton, ~ I’m just shocked! ~ LOL!

      • Charlie

        deer,,,Honk On Horton,,,
        Both of you are somewhat brainwashed heathens that don’t know “Sin” from Shineola …
        This “Race” of Life can only be won with , Time, Tools, and Technology… There is no definition for Time, only what they call “Measurement” of time… Now for tools, The Holy Bible is the best “Tool” for fixing any problem in Life,,,both of you are toolless and clueless on the great Technology contained in The Holy Bible… Both of you are in the human race and are losers…. Meanwhile………………………
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • Deerinwater

          Well,~ Thank you for that Charlie, I’m overwhelmed with joy by the prospects of your next “drive-by” shots of wisdom.

      • Charlie

        deerinwater,,,
        Thanks for the thanks,,,We try to keep things Biblical,,,but,,,sometimes a drive by shot of Constructive criticism is needed to make some aware that they are unaware that they are unaware … Meanwhile …………………..
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

    • deerinwater

      I repost ~ your initial post Mr. Horton, and ask you ~ has anything changed since that might change you mind?

      “CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON says:
      February 5, 2013 at 12:19 am
      THE LABEL, “sheeple,” DOES NOT FIT EVERYONE. LIFE IS ABOUT LIVING A DAILY EXISTENCE WHICH IS AS CLOSE TO BEING STRESS-FREE AS POSSIBLE. SINCE ALL CITIZENS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE LAW-ABIDING, DOING “WHAT YOU ARE TOLD,” BY THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT ALWAYS INDICATE IGNORANCE AND UNAWARENESS.

      AS LONG AS, YOU HAVE THE LIBERTY TO LIVE ON A DAILY BASIS WITH A LEVEL OF HAPPINESS WHICH IS COMFORTABLE FOR YOU [AS, AN INDIVIDUAL], “TAKING ORDERS” WILL SEEM AS ROUTINE AS PAYING TAXES.

      SELF-HAPPINESS IS THE KEY.

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    Brandon Smith,

    IF YOU WANT TO DELETE MY COMMENT – GO AHEAD!

    BUT, YOU L-I-E-D TO “GALT,” AT 7:20 AM. YOU DID NOT REPLY WHEN I TYPED SLAVERY IS ACCEPTABLE.

    IF YOU LIE ON ME, I WILL RESPOND. IF YOU DELETE IT, THAT IS YOUR PEROGATIVE.

    CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    Brandon Smith,

    MY EMOTIONS ARE “RAW!”

    REMEMBER, Mr. Smith, I AM HOMOSEXUAL AND YOU ARE YOUNG. DO YOU “REALLY” THINK I WOULD “DEAL” WITH THIS THREAD AFTER BEING UNDER ATTACK, IF Y-O-U-R “PHOTOGRAPH” WAS NOT AT THE TOP OF THIS THREAD?

    CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

  • Peaches57

    It has been my experience (which is vast, considering that for 25 years I was a political campaign manager {undefeated}, speechwriter, newspaper political columnist, and adult teacher of rights and voter education) that MOST people are sheeple. They choose to believe that which disturbs them the least. They choose to elect leaders who promise them everything with a minimum amount of effort. They choose to feel warm and safe and protected, without any expended effort on their part. And they are always surprised, even angry, when these things that they are ‘guaranteed’ fall apart – because they did not have the foresight nor expend the energy to ensure that they were fed, housed, safe, and warm.

    But these are not the worst ones. True, they will be cannon fodder, herded from place to place, swept away by any calamity, still clinging to their faith in the people who have promised to save them. They – don’t matter. Darwin will out.

    But the worst ones are the ones who preach pending calamity while profiting of off others’ ignorance. Yes, storing food is a good idea – but charging double or triple for basic stipends is thievery, and preaching storage instead of a symbiotic growth of one’s own resources is evil. What happens when that last can of dehydrated food is consumed – or stolen? What happens when the guns and bullets are taken ‘from their cold dead hands’? What happens when all of the people who have proudly advertised their “prepper” lifestyles and hoards are invaded and taken – either by the government that they so vocally despise, or by their neighbors who have been made all too aware of their preparations, and who have been alienated by their “Us versus Them” attitudes?

    Unless people have laid out not only preparations for survival, but have already established a network of survivabilty, they too will die, sheeple who have devoutly taken to heart the words of “TEOTWAWKI” preachers who are profiting on their fear and ignorance. That network includes not only a symbiotic chain of continued production of foodstuffs and necessities, but a working, already established chain of understanding and trade with others who are also not only merely storing, but creating and producing. It is those who have this network in place who will not only survive but thrive, as the government and/or criminals battle it out with those who have stored ‘just enough’. Don’t be a TEOTWAWKI sheeple, either. Don’t fall for the newest and brightest bill of goods, sold to you by people who are using your ignorance to profit – they are like the life insurance salesmen who sold to the Jews just before they went into concentration camps. They do not care if you survive – they only care if THEY do.

    • Charlie

      Peaches57,,,
      OK? communications expert how many of these Sheeple have you told about The Salvation of King Jesus Christ??? Meanwhile…………..
      Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

      Charlie Freedom

  • Dens

    Excellent article Mr. Smith and from reading the responding comments from your readers, some of them appear to be quite ‘wooley’.

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    NOW, “GALT” HAS LET THE “CAT-OUT-OF-THE-BAG.” HE DID TYPE EARLIER, “Chris needs the practice.” NOW, I SAW “GALT’s Coup” THIS MORNING. ["GALT." you typed TOO MUCH information; I had been ignoring "David M." - this thread is my first time seeing his moniker].

    SO, I ASSUME Brandon Smith, “GALT, “David M.” AND THE ASS WERE PLAYING A FOUR-WAY GAME WITH THE “sociopath.”

    I DO NOT PLAY GAMES [S-I-R-S; ???]. I MEAN EVERY WORD I TYPE – EVEN, THE ONES WHICH HAVE BEEN DELETED.

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      AFTER RE-READING THE COMMENTARY UP TO THIS POINT, I WONDER IF, “David M.” IS REALLY, “DaveH.” [Since returning from my hiatus, I have not seen Dave H's moniker. Since our blow-up in December, maybe he felt a need to attack me under a new moniker. Let us see, we have David M., Dave H, Dave67 and dave. In a situation like this - in which one "Dave" has a dominant personality [Dave H] – it would be nice if these other “Dave’s” called themselves something else in order to avoid being falsely accused].

      • Deerinwater

        Ah! Now you are being to get the picture Mr. Horton.

        But I can’t help but think that you are placing too much importance’s on peoples fear of being falsely charged.

        The distributions of wild, outlandish statements is the stock and trade of many posters here.

        That they might truly believe them or just feel and want to express them , the motive mute.

        Dave H and many other’s Had their ” You are stealing from us” campaign ~~ and hammered and hammered it, ~ until it was repeated by others. Where they read the same book or just sheep, who’s to know?

        While I question if Dave H actually has anything TOO Steal. LOL! With such a tiny vision of the world, ~ there no way that he could have “earned his money” ~ if he does have anything, ~someone gave it to him or he has stolen it himself .

        For anyone like myself, that has serving my nation’s will, deferring my personal opinions to nationalistic pride, then spend a half a century struggling to comply with the same tax codes as all other citizens, then to be accused of stealing comes as a great surprise!

        If taking advantage of the GI Bill is stealing ~ then I’m a thief. While my soldier years was the only time in 65 years that I ever drew an income from government , DaveH would label one a thief!

        That’s just too absurd to contemplate. ~ It’s an easy claim to ignore, only an idiot would think in such ways. A nut! a Fruitcake, a zealot. a person that has been drinking from a tainted well and suffers from illusions.

  • scott bobst

    This response indemnifies the sheeple type of reasoning. Following the government because the majority says we should and not accepting any ideas that cause stress or cause us to break out of our comfort zone. This is s great recipe for a meaningless existence

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “scott bobst,”

      SO, I ASSUME YOU BELIEVE A PERSON WHO IS NOT, A “sheeple,” PLAYS GAMES AND LIES ON OTHERS. NO WONDER PEOPLE CALL REPUBLICANS A “BUNCH OF LIARS” – THEIR AWFUL “OFFSPRING” ARE IN THIS THREAD.

      FOR YOU, “little boys” – YOU DO NOT HAVE TO STOP BEING “REAL,” IN ORDER TO HAVE FUN.

      • http://midcontent ridge runner

        CAH,If you lie on someone, or they lie on you, end result is some is getting rear ended. In the the equipment listings, CAH stands for cab, air, and heat.

    • Deerinwater

      Scott say , “Following the government because the majority says we should and not accepting any ideas that cause stress or cause us to break out of our comfort zone. This is s great recipe for a meaningless existence”

      I say, Here is the kick in the head Scott, ~ This is being written in February of 2013 after the years of 2001, 2002,2003, 2004, 2005,2006, 2007 when many of us were opposing the direction the administration of our government was taking the nation. We adamantly offered resistance , refused to be sheep!!!!

      We were snubbed, we were demonized, we were attacked, we were calling all kinds of name, for pinko to tree huggers to Communist, to Un -Christian to Un American, pacifistic, anti-military. , anti-gun.

      43′s blundering Administration had the full support of the Right Wing Christian Collation and fought us to the bitter end. They had the majority! They had the news network and I could not take that away from them! The “Government” had a majority backing!

      Now here we are today, ~ the folly uncovered and generally accepted a huge blunder, ~ while American interest Still married and mired in commitments make by a prior Administration. ~ while today Right Wing Christian Collation is totally silent!! ~ While the New Improved Tea Party takes over to oppose the NEW Administration.

      And we have a young Brandon Smith explaining to us about matters of Government and being lead as Sheep from a platform that has systematically opposed any and all efforts of today administration to right the wrong of the previous Administration.

      I ask, you where was Brandon Smith voiced wisdom at when we could have used it?

      This little more then a Flocking joke to anyone that has walked in my shoes.

      This sudden disappearance of the Right Wing Christian Collation and sudden “birth” of the Tea Party ~ I find seriously suspicious.

      Know you’re enemy! he can change his cloths , he can change his name but he “Won’t” change what he does.

      • http://midcontent ridge runner

        Any one that has been unemployed for years would gladdly take 43 back again. Any moron that thinks the marxist muslim cross bred will ever get something done right for the USA and under 2, proves public education failed greatly, and any college mind altering was a waste of time and taxpayer paid funding.Your should change your moniker to deepin s–t. Since you spout the standrad BS demorat lines, why don’t you read Onumnutts books written with an American domestic terrorist. To really see what your muslim marxist racist beleives in and who his idles are. A picture of the monkey and Adamnjerk from Iraq, both look like half brothers of Obozo, connective DNA material is the jug ears, and no soul, just bipedal organisms.

        • Deerinwater

          Ridge Runner says ; “Any one that has been unemployed for years would gladly take 43 back again”

          I say, Right! and that is what makes you just as dangerous as you ever was with your views about what is happening in America , regardless of what you wish to call yourself today.

          Politicifacts

          “The labor statistics show that job losses started to mount before the end of the Bush administration. Driven by the bursting housing bubble, the country lost 84,000 jobs between January and February 2008. But the job losses grew, reaching 200,000 in April. And by September, when Lehman Brothers collapsed in the largest bankruptcy filing in U.S. history, job losses spiked again, reaching 489,000 in October and 803,000 in November.

          When Obama and Biden took office in January 2009, the country had already lost 818,000 jobs from the prior month, falling from 134.4 million in December 2008 to 133.6 million in January. But, if you pro-rate those figures to the Jan. 20 inauguration date referenced by Biden, the economy would have lost about 527,000 jobs, roughly two-thirds of the month’s total. That number falls below Biden’s claim of 760,000 jobs lost by the time he took office.

          The steep job losses continued through the first few months of the Obama presidency, which lost 3.4 million from February through July 2009, according to the labor data. In October 2010, the economy started adding jobs, and job growth has been evident for 19 consecutive months, according to the labor figures.

          In total, the economy has lost 1.4 million jobs since Obama and Biden took office.”

          Politicofacts is wanting to blame the “Housing Bubble” for Job Lose without a mention of what created the Housing Bubble ~ Like it was some kind of natural occurring event like the weather, an act of God or something. ~ But it all leads back to lax in enforcement of Commerce laws, of an Rubber Stamp AG office and a ‘Out to Lunch” SEC office that had ZERO top Administration leadership. ~ It was all “Grab ” while the “Grabbing is Good” climate the permeated 43′s 8 years Administration.

          You take these events and couple them with across the board Federal tax breaks and two protracted unfunded wars that offers not benefit , no booty to American citizens ~ It’s a stoke of wonder ~ America is still afloat at all today. And as long as the Fed keeps printing money, I’m not certain that we are, as we trade one problem for another.

          There no celebration going on at my house but W’s reign being history offered many of us a sign of hope.

          http://www.politifact.com/new-hampshire/statements/2012/jun/01/joe-biden/joe-biden-says-35-million-jobs-lost-during-bush-ad/

          Ridge Runner, ~ It’s very easy to blame floods on just “Rain” and not on Dams and things that have been put in place to alter runoff and Control. .

          We need a bigger view if you except to see a clearer picture of what’s to blame. ~ Look at the Us Attorney General office and the Securities and Exchange Commission as if the were levies, dams , slipways and pumps to control the flow ~ then envision what might happen if they ceased to work as they were intended and designed.

          That is what has happened ~ The greedy had taken over, and keep us so busy bailing water ~ their activities goes on all but unnoticed.

  • eagle

    I just finished reading B. Smiths commentary regarding “Steeple” label which describes 65 percent of our U.S. population. I agree with Brandon in all what he has shared regarding his comments. The reality is that WE THE PEOPLE are just economical assets enslaved with the power of the top 1 percent elite who are consistent with controlling they’re slaves in America! It’s like living in a prison system with prison guards telling their prisoners how to behave, when they eat, what they eat, when to shower and reminding them why they are in prison. Our gov’t officials from Washington D.C. et.al. are the “prison guards” with ALL of their creative resources to keep their “asset slaves” in check. As long as the gov’t can keep their slaves thinking that they have “Constitutional Rights” the gov’t has control over their assets. The U.S. gov’t don’t want ‘intelligent slaves’ they want ‘submissive ones.’ As long as the gov’t can keep the slaves thinking that they are correct and the slaves continue to obey they’re laws and paying taxes to the “top 1 percent elite” the gov’t is content. In every aspect of our society the “prison guards” focus on the WEAK which are single women, single women with kids with brutal tactics of their social system because they know women will submit when they are treatened with physical abuse as a single women and women with kids will yield to them.

  • pissed of & liberal

    This is a good dignosis of capitilists.

  • Joe R.

    Brandon, you have eloquently explained why Barack Obama became our president. Personally, I always just figured him to be the politically correct pretty boy mouth piece of people much more devious, dishonest, dishonorable and anti-American than himself … a pied piper leading all the little children to their doom. But I think you have a point. He’s a sheeple herder.

    • Deerinwater

      Joe R. says”Personally, I always just figured him to be the politically correct pretty boy mouth piece of people much more devious, dishonest, dishonorable and anti-American than himself … a pied piper leading all the little children to their doom. But I think you have a point. He’s a sheeple herder.”

      I say , So Brandon Smith has “confirmed” your predetermined convictions and you are not the sheeples? Other people are?

      • Joe R

        Deerinwater, Anybody who thinks Barack Obama is George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, a Greek God, Jesus Christ, God and “Daddy” all rolled into one is a sheeple in my book. Any one who thinks disliking Obama’s socialist, fascist, communist tendencies and really just can’t stand to sit and listen to his phony moral pontifications is a racist is a sheeple. In my book, any way. I am sure that to you, a liberal, any one who disagrees with you is a sheeple. I mean, after all, what good is a liberal sheeple who can’t engage in a little guilt transference?

        • Deerinwater

          Let’s attempt to stay on the road here Joe.

          Obama is just Obama , America’s 44th president and no one else.

          And I’m not a Liberal.

          The rest of your posting is founded on those two false precepts. ~ so I need not go any fathers with correction.

          If we get off on the wrong foot, we stay off.

        • macgyver1948

          Joe R… Really? Who is it who says “Barack Obama is George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, a Greek God, Jesus Christ, God and “Daddy” other then those on the Right who want people to think the Left thinks these things? I have never heard any Liberal or Left leaner say they believe those things but I have so often heard the Right think and speak for us in those ways. Do you have that special talent and gift from God too? What the hell kind of book do you have anyway? It certainly is not one that is reality based with what you just said in the quote of yours above. But your are not alone in your Right ‘thinking and saying for others’ book. Maybe that is one reason we on the Left do not take you guys so seriously when you speak and think and for others.

          Sheeple is just another Right word of the moment. Another will come along soon to detract and misrepresent but it does have a certain kind of charm in that it fits those who try to think for others because they are told to do so. I suppose it helps you guys when you try to tell us things like “what good is a liberal sheeple who can’t engage in a little guilt transference”. It is not the Liberals who are so programmed with BS and false and edited so-called proof but it does make us laugh at times when we see the entire proof, which differs from what your Right side tries to tell you. Thanks for your comment although there is nothing new in it in concept or in originality.

    • Charlie

      Joe R.,,,
      Yep Obama is a good sheeple herder and with a corrupt voting system , it’s no wonder he got back into office ,but I read the Tea Party is going to impeach Obama…We’ll see…

      • macgyver1948

        Charlie… The Tea Party has been trying to “impeach” Obama since a long time before he got elected the first time because they knew they couldn’t control him, thank God for their failure in that. If the TP could control Obama as they do over 270 of the elected in Congress, they being GOP, they wouldn’t be upset with him. They do not care what someone is politically if they can buy and control him. So much for representing the US citizens if the elected officials are properties of the Tea Party.

        If figures you would be in favor of The Tea Party.

      • Charlie

        macgyver1948,,,
        IF,,, the Tea Party impeaches Obama,,,I will back that cause,,,but for The Tea Party in general ,,,they are not into The Holy Bible… Meanwhile………………….
        Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • macgyver1948

          Charlie… You say “IF,,, the Tea Party impeaches Obama,,,I will back that cause,,,but for The Tea Party in general ,,,they are not into The Holy Bible… Meanwhile…………………. “. I am not sure what the Tea Party, those at their top, are really into (it certainly isn’t Liberty equally for all) other than the empowerment of themselves and their economic and same mind-ed kind, which totally let’s out any who aren’t big corporate and very wealthy, and also they are only for those on their acceptable religion’s list, but you have the right to feel a need for Obama’s impeachment if that is how you feel. I just do not see Obama as the Tea want its followers to believe.

          “Meanwhile” (as you say, LOL) to each his own as it should be and not how only a few see it for all… Plutocracy is how the Tea wants it.

      • Charlie

        macgyver1948,,,,
        What is needed is “”Truth””The American Way in any Leader ,Obama or whoever…
        Obama is in violation of The Constitution and The Bible Deuteronomy 17:15,,,check it out in Your Bible… Meanwhile… Praise King Jesus for Salvation and Healing… Acts 2:38 is salvation…

        Charlie Freedom

        • macgyver1948

          If you say so Charlie, just so you believe what you are told to believe. Obama is not as harmful to the Constitution or us as little bush was and maybe some other Presidents. The Repuiblican president Nixon tried to tell us “I am not a crook” even though he knew about the break in and other things. No telling all he ordered. What would he have to hide with missing minutes on the tapes? Do you know about those things?

  • Dennis

    The conversion of America into a Soviet Socialist State is underway and gaining speed. Do NOT dismiss this. It is serious. Here are their plans:
    Gun grabbing
    Millions more illegal aliens
    Extinguishing free-speech
    Unlimited internment of US citizens without cause
    Branding conservatives as terrorists
    Teach our children perversion is normal
    Stripping the wealth that built America, giving it to the world to consume
    Make all private homes government housing
    Make certain foods illegal
    Outlaw gasoline powered vehicles
    Reducing or eliminating Congress
    Making States accountable to the UN
    Reduce our military by 90%
    Remove our borders

    • Kandy

      You are spot on brother! We better get ready! I am! :)

    • lexi63

      & the sheeple will never know what hit them as they refuse to listen or speak about anything . Ignorance is truly blissful and I wish i was born ignorant as not knowing or pretending to be asleep seems to be the overwhelming majority of the population and they will take us down with their sorry ignorant ass’s , so i am getting doubly prepared to compensate for my ignoramous neighbors.

    • http://www.personalliberty.com Julie

      Thanks for your post. It is the truth. This being done now. If no one can’t see it, then they arn’t paying attention.

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    IT HAS BECOME OBVIOUS THAT THIS THREAD HAS BEEN ORGANIZED TO TELL A STORY. COMMENTS ARE IN THE WRONG PLACE. A FEW MINUTES AGO, THERE WERE 491 COMMENTS, NOW, THERE ARE 490. THIS COMMENT SHOULD MAKE – AT LEAST, 492. I Googled MY NAME AND SAW THAT MY COMMENT IN THE “Why Solo Rock/Pop Artists Die Early-” THREAD HAD BEEN RE-ORGANIZED INTO A PARAGRAPH – I TYPED A LIST; YET, OTHERS CAN TYPE A LIST AND IT REMAINS.

    I MADE A COMMENT ABOUT “David M.,” A FEW MINUTES AGO, BUT, I AM NOT GOING TO SEARCH FOR SOMETHING WHICH HAS BEEN RE-ARRANGED TO “PAINT” A BAD PICTURE OF ME.

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    Bob Livingston IS EXTREMELY QUIET IN THIS SITUATION. SO, I ASSUME HE IS SENDING ME A SUBLIMINAL MESSAGE. I HEAR ‘YA, Mr. Livingston.

    Mr. Livingston, SIR, A PART OF ME IS GRATEFUL FOR YOUR SILENCE BECAUSE IT REPRESENTS KINDNESS. NONETHELESS, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WANT. AND, I AGREE.

    WITH GREAT SINCERITY,
    CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

  • Lis

    Also if others follow this, think this way, or promote this, they too are “Sheeple!”
    Not saying the “Left: is right, but saying how people get on a social media, condem others by almost doing the same thing.

  • http://www.facebook.com/chylene.ramsey Chylene Ramsey

    Mr. macgyver1948, I speak with all due respect. You have a few misconceptions that I would like to correct, if you please. I am no one of any particular importance, just one who has studied the scriptures for many years, is of no particular denomination, and has some understanding of Judaic traditions. First, The KJV was directly translated from Tyndale’s version, and was full of errors. There are current translations that are very accurate, such as the one I use, the NIV, which has been translated directly from original documents, by teams of scholars and experts of all disciplines pertaining to Biblical studies. It has excellent footnotes and a marvelous concordance. It also eliminates many of the small scribal errors and outright forgeries that has crept in the bible over the years.
    The Jew’s overlook the fact that Jesus fulfilled over 300 prophecies pertaining to the Messiah from their own prophets. They overlook the fact that both Mary and Joseph were descended from the line of David, and were both from the tribe of Judah. They overlook the fact that Joseph was Heli’s son-in-law, but considered his legal son by Jewish law, and Jesus’ adopted father, with all his legal rights thereof. And, as Mary, the eldest daughter of Heli, who had no sons, according to Judaic law, inherited her father’s rights of heritage as if she were his son, which passed to Jesus as her heir. Therefore, as Mary was descended from Nathan, David’s older son, and as adopted children do not inherit curses of blood inheritance, Jesus did not inherit the curse that Jeconiah earned on that line of David’s. Heli is listed as Mary’s father in the Jewish Talmud, Chal. 76, the Gemorah, by the way. There is nothing in the New testament that indicates that Jesus went anywhere during the time he was growing up. How could he have been educated by the Rabbis in the Torah if he did so? Most Jewish boys stopped learning in the schools by the time they were 12, as I understand, except for very talented ones, like Jesus. They kept getting passed along until they were 30 or so, when they started a ministry of their own. Also, the Prophets clearly state that the Messiah would return twice. Once as a suffering servant (Isaiah) then again as a conqueror. The Jews who were tired of the Romans didn’t want to hear that. it’s not the first time Man has tried to make God do what they wanted. The Jews got their Messiah, sir. He just wasn’t the one they ordered. You don’t want to look at the new testament, but I assure you, that God has never forgotten His people. He has restored Israel to you all, and you will never leave there, no matter how many hissy-fits the Muslims throw. Read Ekz 37-38, which tells of the renewal of the Israel nation, and how God defends her from the nations attacking her. Jesus will return, as God promised, and all of the Jews will know Him as their Messiah, and welcome him to the throne of David. This is what Revelations is all about, sir. Thank you for your attention.

    • macgyver1948

      Chylene Ramsey … I am not sure why you are telling me “the KJV was directly translated from Tyndale’s version, and was full of errors” when it is not my bible and I do not believe what it has to say. It is still very similar to the Catholic Bible which is also not my bible. I am referring to the stories so maybe the newer ones are as well.

      You say “The Jew’s overlook the fact that Jesus fulfilled over 300 prophecies pertaining to the Messiah from their own prophets. They overlook the fact that both Mary and Joseph were descended from the line of David, and were both from the tribe of Judah. 

      What Hebrew Prophecies do the Jews over look concerning Jesus. The Hebrew Prophets made it clear, the ones who spoke of the Hebrew Messiah, that he would be all human, mortal. Jesus did not conquer the Romans or any enemies, Jesus did not chase out all invaders, Jesus did not bring all Jews back to Israel, and on and on. As far as Jesus being in direct line, how could he be when Jesus was a demi-god, according to Christians and their bible, the immaculate conception thing which we Jews do not believe ever happened with anyone and he had no mortal father so he could not be a direct descendant on his fathers side of anyone.

      It was a patriarchal society so so there was no significant inheritance from a mother’s side. By the way. With language differences the word virgin in the Hebrew language more so meant someone who is not married and not necessarily one who has never had sex. There has been some confusion in that since the first sanctioned Christan Bible, The Catholic Bible.

      I know “There is nothing in the New testament that indicates that Jesus went anywhere during the time he was growing up. How could he have been educated by the Rabbis in the Torah if he did so?” so does that mean things didn’t happen? Jesus is mentioned in other nation’s histories during those years, such as India where it is written he set up a temple and taught his God’s ways, so does it mean because the Christian Bibles do not mention it that it didn’t happen? It had to be adults who took Jesus on his safety journeys away form the Roman threats, for any who would be claimed as the Hebrew Messiah according to Hebrew Prophecy, so any of those adults could have taught him Torah. They may not have wanted him to forget the Jewish ways which were from Torah, God’s history and laws for us.

      You say “Also, the Prophets clearly state that the Messiah would return twice”. The Messiah is said to come here once in our teachings and that hasn’t happened yet. Try this, it is simplified explanations. file:///C:/Users/Steve/Desktop/BIBLE%20THINGS%20AND%20-WHY%20JEWS%20CAN’T%20BELIEVE%20IN%20JESUS/Why%20Don’t%20Jews%20Believe%20In%20Jesus%20%20%20The%20difference%20between%20Judaism%20and%20Christianity.htm

      You say “Once as a suffering servant (Isaiah) then again as a conqueror”. This is of the same arrival, not more than once. One of the Deeds I left out above was that he would also rebuild the Temple as he united all Jews from around the world and that would be the third temple. There were two before, the one King David started planning and Solomon finished, which was destroyed by invaders we know by a different name today, and then the second one when the Romans said the Jews could rebuild it. Then in the year 70 AD, the then Roman Emperor, a real huge beast, ordered his son the Roman General Titus, a lessor beast of sorts, to totally destroy the City of Jerusalem ending the days of all in and around the city, take the temple apart brick by brick and send the religious artifacts to Rome. It happened according to World history. This was some 37 years after Jesus was executed so does it sound like Jesus chased out the invaders/contouring Romans, united all Jews in Israel and all the rest of the philosophized “deeds”? Does it sound like Jesus changed anything for the Jews? Only one coming and it has not happened yet.

      You go on to say “The Jews got their Messiah, sir. He just wasn’t the one they ordered”. LOL… We didn’t order any messiah but we are hopeful in his arrival as God said. No we did not, not according to God through the Prophecies. It is not that we do not want to look at the New Testament but since it so much contradicts the Hebrew Bible and we do not believe the NT. We do not even call The Hebrew Bible ‘The Old Testament’, that is a Christan renaming if it for their purposes. We do not care but your NT, in any version, is not our bible. We do not insist you guys are wrong in how you choose to believe for yourselves so why do you and so many other Christians insist we are wrong about our religion?

      Since we live in America we have this thing called Freedom Of Religion so we have the right to believe as we have for many thousands of years, since the first Jew, Abraham, and since God Gave Torah to Moses and told Moses to teach it, as God taught it to him, to all of the Jews since. We choose to believe as God tells us and not as you say but I would never deny you your ways for you. So, again, please do not tell us we are wrong for us or we have problems. God never mentioned Jesus to us and Jesus is nowhere in the Hebrew Bible.

      It has been a while since I read The KJV or the Catholic Bible so my memory is a bit faulty. Is your suggestion to read “Ekz 37-38, from your bible or an abbreviation of Ezekiel the Hebrew Prophet from my bible? Telling me to read something I do not believe will not work, it is not logical in an attempt to get someone to believe, but I have read the Christians Bibles as a source of learning other cultures. I will try to get a copy, on line perhaps, of your NIV Bible. I really feel you do not understand the Hebrew Bible, or maybe it is that you do not want to as so many Christians do not, but then it is not surprising considering the contradictions.

      I know generally what Revelations is about but it is part of a bible system I do not believe.

      • http://www.personalliberty.com Julie

        Good day sir. Much of what you stated is in the Christian Bible. Too my understanding Jesus’s first appearance on earth was from the time he was born of God through his mother Mary, to the time he was crucified on the cross and died. The second coming is when he comes back to earth to fight satan and save his people (the people whom believe in him no matter their church affiliation). I don’t know rather you believe in satan, but in the Bible satan ruled this world for 6000 years, and his rule would be over this year (2013), if you go by the Jewish Torah and the 1948 year Israel was made a state, or 1956 when the 7 day war was. If you want to know more on this Daniel’s time line will help. The Bible will be a good start. But on youtube there’s a video that breaks it down better using both the Torah and the Bible. Here’s that video:www.youtube.com/Daniel’s Timeline
        To my understanding from the true Jews in Israel, they say that when God dispersed them throughout the conquering nations, he said they’d be a nation no more, but they would come back an settle in their land. That land was Palestine. To my understanding is that Israel was set up by people whom say they are Jews, but are not. These people do not worship God but satan. These people usurp the Christian teachings for their own end game. These are the same people whom formed the state of Israel, so they can conquer God’s holy city, Jerusalem for them selves. These jews that are not Jews (satan worshippers) will rebuild the temple, and start their sacrifices (abomination of desolation). In the Bible it said we will know Jesus return is near when Damascus is destroyed, and not rebuilt (this is happening now) And when the Temple is rebuilt (this is happening now), and when the abomination of desolation has started (which hasn’t yet).
        There is a war going on, good over evil, and good always wins. May God Bless you, sir.

        • macgyver1948

          Julie… I know, when I say something from the Christian Bible(s) I mean it as I interpret it from there. I know, as you say, “Jesus’s first appearance on earth was from the time he was born of God through his mother Mary, to the time he was crucified on the cross and died. The second coming is when he comes back to earth to fight satan and save his people (the people whom believe in him no matter their church affiliation)”, according to your bible. I have no problem with you believing this as it is your right to believe your Bible if you choose to. It is not my bible and I do not believe it but instead I believe my Bible and, in this case, specifically what my bible says about the Hebrew Messiah. That is just as much my right. My bible says there will be only one coming of this person/mortal man who God chooses to be the Hebrew Messiah and that has not happened yet, only God knows when.

          You go on to say “I don’t know rather you believe in satan, but in the Bible satan ruled this world for 6000 years, and his rule would be over this year (2013). First, I believe on the story in Genesis where God tell the story in the garden where the evil represented by the serpent, of the apple fame, is a nasty fallen angel.

          Next, where you say “satan ruled this world for 6000 years, and his rule would be over this year (2013)”. What does this mean? Are yo saying we are over the 6000 year period of terror this year? WOW, what happens to satan if you are right and would it be fantastic if you are right?

          Israel was sanctioned as a state in May of 1948…

          You said “To my understanding from the true Jews in Israel, they say that when God dispersed them throughout the conquering nations, he said they’d be a nation no more, but they would come back an settle in their land. That land was Palestine”. Over time back then iot was the Romans and the Greeks and others who dispersed the Jews all over and it was because the Jews, as a group, were not so obedient according to Torah, God’s law. They will not all be back in Israel until the first coming of The Hebrew Messiah when he brings us all there. Again, only God knows when he will send his choice on his first coming.

          You say “To my understanding is that Israel was set up by people whom say they are Jews, but are not”. I do not know where you get that from. Israel was reestablished as a Jewish state by those with international power to do so – for Jews. Many of those Jews are descendants of the Jews from Europe, but not just from there, who were descendants of the Jews the Romans etc dispersed centuries earlier. Who are you descendant from and can you prove it? Many of the Jews have long standing written and verbal histories as well as passed down traditions of religion going back almost 4000 years starting with Abraham on through to Moses and to today.

          Then you go on saying “These people do not worship God but satan”, I guess you are referring to the Jews who settled Israel. You are so full of it. Where do you get that crap from? We all, those of us Jews who go by Torah, go by God as Torah dictates and not satan and since we believe God wrote Torah and gave it to Moses it almost appears you are saying the God we worship, the one your Jesus worshiped and preached about is satin.. Where do you get this BS from?

          Where do you get that “These jews that are not Jews (satan worshippers) will rebuild the temple, and start their sacrifices (abomination of desolation”. We Jews will know the real Hebrew Messiah, when his first arrival comes, as he does the “deeds” described by the Hebrew prophets in the Hebrew Bible which is how we will know the real Hebrew Messiah has not shown up yet. There have been many false ones who did not accomplish the deeds in their entirety so they were, none were close, known for being false. By the way, prophecy must be done in total so individual deeds will not be mistaken as coincidence. Prophecies are an all or nothing proposition for that reason. Guess how many Jesus did not accomplish.

          You go on to say things such as “In the Bible it said we will know Jesus return is near when Damascus is destroyed, and not rebuilt (this is happening now)”. You are speaking of your bible and, again, you have a right to believe those ways but I have the right to believe my bible equally. That is what both Free Will, given to us all by God, and Freedom Of Religion from the US Constitution are all about. I both respect your right to believe as you choose and I would defend your rights but we have problems if you tell me my Bible and beliefs are wrong. We have different bibles and faith so to each his/her own faith equally or it will never work as history has shown.

          Thank you for your blessing and right back to you with that…

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