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Sessions Says Reid’s DREAM Act Motives Create ‘Chaotic Situation’

December 6, 2010 by  

Sessions says Reid's DREAM Act motives create 'chaotic situation'Republican leaders are venting frustration after Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) placed a new version of a controversial immigration law on the legislative calendar without an official hearing to discuss the bill.

Senator Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.), the ranking member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said that Reid has introduced four different versions of the DREAM Act, which would grant citizenship to young illegal immigrants who attend college or the military, without legislative review.

"This unusual approach creates a chaotic situation, one that makes it more difficult for the public and their representatives, as well as the press, to review this deeply controversial measure," Sessions said in a statement.

A Senate source says that the latest version of the DREAM Act would lower the eligibility age limit for illegal immigrants from 35 to 30. In addition, the new proposal says that illegal aliens who had committed marriage or voter fraud would be ineligible.

The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) estimates that approximately 1 million illegal immigrants will eventually enroll in public institutions as a result of the DREAM Act, and each student will receive nearly $6,000 in tuition subsidy each year from taxpayers. The CIS suggests that taxpayers will spend at least $6.2 billion annually to fund these students. 

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  • http://none Mike

    Reid and Pelosi create confusion and chaos. Say it isnt so doc. God what a tangeld web we wheve when we first attempt to decive.Trash the whole thing and have a re-vote when the new guys get there then maby we can see who is on the side of reason and who is attempting to cement their sorry a$$’s in a seat for the rest of their unnatural lives. And then again this is comming from the same crowd that said we had to pass the healthcare bill to know what was in it. And what a can-o-crap thats turning into now that we do see what was in it. Just about totally fed up with the SSDD thats comming from our so called leadrship anymore. Awake and watching now and mad as he!!.Mike L.

    • http://NoWEBsite John

      If you are interested in immigration or anti immigration at all, go to numbersusa.com and see Roy Beck’s “gumball” disortation about immigration and who we are really hurting with our congress allowing and our fed govt turning their backs on immigration and border protection for years; this has not happened overnight or only in this administration. The lying census states or allows that there are about 12-18 million (WOW! Such a close count) When actually there are more than twice that many and 1/3 of them are getting benefits from AMERICAN programs that they have never paid into and yet real AMERICANS can’t even get the same benefits that have paid into these same programs. W A K E U P AND S T A N D U P A M E R I C A !

      The Dems sold us down the river and have their own agenda which certainly does not correspond to what the (LEGAL) American population wants.

      • Joyce from Loris

        And don’t forget, John. They DO NOT count the babies that are born here to illegal aliens, as they are given birth certificates and considered American. There were 60,000 of those babies born in Texas ALONE last year, all on the taxpayers dime. Our Government is TRULY against the American people, especially the white, Christian people. All other races and nationalities have “special laws” just for them.

        • eddie47d

          As opposed to brown skinned Christians?!Most Mexican Americans embrace Christianity in larger numbers than whites in America.

          • Robin from Arcadia, IN

            Wow eddie… Where did you find that fact?

          • Bruce D.

            Eddie47d where do you suggest we get that 6.2 billion a year to pay for their college. Even with your $10,000 in health care donation to the Federal Government we still may be running a little short for some of these programs.

          • Joyce from Loris

            Yes, that would explain how easily they break into a country, illegally, rob, steal, drive cars without drivers license, drive drunk, rape, etc. They are soooo Christian. Yes, before you jump the gun, I am aware that whites do the same thing. But just look at the prison statistics. When you figure THAT number out, and understand the racial makeup of America, you start to see the difference.

          • marvin

            eddie47d
            and your point being WHAT that it is ok to be illegal and break are laws as long as you are a brown skined christen, people that belive in god and his word do not do that ,god did not say trespass god did not say to lie and steal,if you are in this country illegally you are a criminal,you are trespassing

          • Meteorlady

            Eddie – I wouldn’t exactly call a nation (Mexico) that is over run with criminals, drug peddlers and gangs very Christian. I know that a lot of them are Catholic hence the uncontrolled birth rates, but they are mostly just killing each other off over drugs and money in their own country. Now all that violence is spilling over to my state and the Federal government does nothing about it at all. Coincidently, the illegal population in my state costs us just about what our deficit is. Nice right? I love paying for drug dealers, robbers, crooks and irresponsible people – it fits in with what the government sees this country becoming.

          • Byron

            Eddie47d,
            So I take it that if your a ‘brown skinned Christian’ it’s OK to break the law? Those who break the law (Pill osi & reid are liars), those who came to America (before the constitution etc) came believing that they might have religious freedoms and sponging never crossed their minds! We have laws (as other nations) and are not meant to be broken, the 14th amendment has nothing to do with “those” that were born in the US to “parents” who broke the law getting here! Whatever color a person is, if you broke the law by getting here, your a felon, leave Jesus out of this, He would say the very same thing! America was not great by illegals willing to work, She was built by the sweat of our brows along w/Biblical (Godly) obedience by most! Also, the E voting machines in Nevada etc were fixed to favor HR, I also question the write in’s – in Alaska (she’s a rino) – The ‘left’ is using anyone who knows not there (our) history for ‘they’ will throw you (they call You ‘useful idiots) when this Luciferian global anti Christ system is in place. I have a word for these elites, ‘your Satan’s puppets, not only will he throw you under the bus but HE will deal w/you eternally where nothing of pleasure and pure pain (unimaginable terror, horror which will get worse as time as you know it goes on forever and ever) and you will remember these haunting words forever! Don’t forget to get chipped (as Martha would say; it’s a good thing) the beast is being assembled w monies stole from us, GOOD DAY!

          • linda

            So? Your point?????

          • Conservatives United

            Eddie
            One qusetion. Are you in the USA illegally?????

          • eddie47d

            Are You?

          • Robert Smith

            So, does that translate into the red meat for the conservatives? They apparently want to deny benefits, but they want the votes.

            Rob

          • bbstacker

            too bad they don’t embrace the “rule of law” like American Citizens!

          • Granny Mae

            I’m wondering why these illegal imigrants are so special to Harry Reid and those of us citizens that have been here all our lives and paid taxes all that time can’t get these immenities for our children?
            I have 5 sons and all of them very smart. They have all had to take out major loans to get their educations and they have graduated with honors. Now they have years of loans to pay back before they can make a good profit on their hard work. One of my sons was in the military and didn’t get the GI bill money for his education he was told he would so what’s up with that? I say tell Harry Reid to educate these kids from his own pocket if he wants them educated and forget the deals with education and military service in exchange for citizenship ! Better they should learn to keep their promises to the young people that are citizens already. Better still learn to treat us tax payers as intelligent constituents instead of the idiots they would like us to be !

        • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/anti-immigration-lawmaker-seeks-support-in-a-battle-of-epic-proportions-800135724/?eiid&rmid=2010_10_28_PLA&rrid=238497005&replytocom=263068#respond a skeptic

          Joyce from Loris

          Joyce, if you actually investigated the matter before throwing around statistics so loosely, you would find that hospitals do not actually take records (or at least currently have no one to report to) regarding the legal status of mothers giving birth. For them a woman – any woman – who asks for their assistance during childbirth is more than welcome. Apparently you would rather have children born at home or in the back seat of a car…

          That there were 60,000 births to Latinos in the State of Texas with its population of roughly 25,000,000 is neither surprising nor cause for much concern. You can find accurate statistics that do exist by a simple Google search, as there are several newspaper reports available on this matter.

          • castaway

            Get a life Skeptic, and go back to the country you came from.The point she was trying to make, is it is TOO MANY. It is probably more than 60000, and that is the size of alot of cities in America. They do not come here to be American, they come here for a FREE RIDE, at our expense and to change the face of America.

          • Joyce from Loris

            Excuse me, a skeptic, but I DO investigate my numbers and my information before making comments about them. Just because you don’t like the numbers don’t make them any different. Ask the hospital in Houston, TX, how they felt about having to absorb or pass on the cost of 16,000 births to illegal alien’s children in 2008. Yes, they do know the status, or they would have NO WAY of reporting that information. You need to brush up on the facts. You know what they say…. it’s better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and REMOVE ALL DOUBTS.

          • Meteorlady

            Hospitals may not ask and your premise that they are treated because they need the treatment is false. Many wait until the child is about to be born then sneak across and wait in a “safe house” until the labor starts. They are then taken to local hospitals where they give birth for FREE by going to the emergency room.

            A local hospital in Dallas/Fort Worth area estimated that they loose about 10 million per year through free health care in their emergency rooms by illegals. They tried to check every person they treated, and found that most did not have proper documentation to prove citizenship or legal status. Multiply that many times and see what the cost would be. One hospital in Florida got stuck with an illegal for two years costing them millions until they got court permission to ship the person back to their relatives – now they are getting sued for doing so.

          • linda

            Hey I saw this report on a Texas Newspaper-Maybe from El Paso and what she says is true. They count them down in Texas because most of that state is against illegals. You need to check your state and see how much they have spent total out of your pockets. I do know here in Arkansas it cost the state 24o something million a couple of years ago. Thats money the government is stealing away from We The People. While they rave about they can’t pay for mrdicare for seniors or medicade for our disabled or sick and would love to cut us off and raise our retirement age we are being strapped big time. This is plain wrong and against our constitution. They are supposed to protect us not bleed our pockets to support a neighboring state. It’s not our fault they are in a mess down there. I vote out anyone who supports any amnesty or this ugly Dream Act in any way. Go Joyce and spread the word. We need to tell everyone we are being robbed blind.

          • Granny Mae

            Joyce,
            You go girl. I know for a fact that the hospitals do have a means for checking anyway they do in Florida so why wouldn’t they in most other states? Ileagles are costing this country up the yazoo ! If we did away with all the food stamps and medicaid and emergency room costs along with free education and special ed. classes and free lunch and free breakfast, you would really make a dent in our budget we don’t have. I’m tired of politicians that make moves bassed only on their chances for re-election and not on good decissions for the citizens and tax payers of this country. Yes it is a hard thing to say NO but it has to be done and now is the time to do it !

          • Granny Mae

            OH yes and don’t forget the WIC coupons for milk fruit and other commodities ! These people are costing us a lot more money than meets the eye ! Then you take the ones that get in trouble with the law and they get free legal representation and housing and meals etc. while incarcerated and their families then qualify for more food stamps and WIC and shots and health care and the beat goes on !

      • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/anti-immigration-lawmaker-seeks-support-in-a-battle-of-epic-proportions-800135724/?eiid&rmid=2010_10_28_PLA&rrid=238497005&replytocom=263068#respond a skeptic

        John

        Your spelling was almost correct when you write “Roy Beck’s “gumball” disortation about immigration”. The word you were looking for, however, is “distortion”.

        Beck uses some of the oldest misrepresentation tricks in the book when working with graphs. Just change the units on your Y axis and you would have a straight line increase that appears both simple and reasonable, so much so that you would hardly notice if it were placed on top of a total population column. This would be much fairer in that you could actually picture how population grows over the next century compared to the present population of 300+ million.

        Fairness, however, has nothing to do with the visual distortion of statistics that Beck presents.

        This is simple stuff that every college or even high school student should know but, My God, how the people in his audience – and apparently, on the Internet – are sucked in!

        The more important perspective is population density, but of course, Beck never mentions this. There are lots of countries in the world that already have several times the number of people per square mile that Beck presents in his “nightmare” scenario for America and yet these people enjoy a relatively high standard of living and happiness.

        Finally, it’s rather preposterous to worry about another 100 million people a century from now. So many things can change in the meantime in this unstable world.

        • castaway

          What country are you from, and have you ever lived in a country with a high population density? I have, and it ain’t pretty,plus it stinks, and has a high rate of disease. C’mon sucker give us your background and give your self more credibility, like what country you are from and your color, and where have you lived.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Castaway,
            I’m here to back up what you say. sceptic should go live in panama city SA for a year. go outside the city proper and see the slums where the people that live in shacks made from pepsi and coke signs! The crap smell that permeates the air all day long!! the kids play in trash and live in it as well and this is all these people know! The people of mexico city are the same way and they want to bring that HERE! sceptic, you may not believe or care about that but all you have to do is go to almost any US city along the US/Mexico border and go to the southern parts. You will see the sights of it there all the time!

        • marvin

          a skeptic
          is your name hflashman,you can have facts but not your own fact i am a member of numbers and work hard to slow down open border nuts like you,you may not care that we are being invaded from are southern border,the fastest growing population is hispanic ,young mexican hoes come here and have 7 or 8 babies have no husbands or 3 or 4 differant ones so stuped people like you will feel sorry for the children,as your mom pelosie said we are unamerican if we don,t love illegals, if you love illegals so much move to mexico el cid,

        • Meteorlady

          You are very condescending and superior, right? Maybe you should try going and living in one of the population dense countries. Take Mexico for example – go live in Mexico city and enjoy the lack of crime, cleanliness and clean air. Our cities are too dense right now. Seattle, WA is over run with legal and illegal immigrants. They have taken over public housing, work for cash, have their own bankers and collect every conceivable entitlement they can get their hands on. They are running scam after scam and they are still coming.

          We now have about 48% of the people supporting the rest. As simple economics might prove that is pretty close the breaking point and we are already bankrupt from social experimentation.

          • Granny Mae

            Meteorlady,

            You have said it like it is. The gangs these people are bringing with them is a whole nother story. If we don’t stop them now in a few short years there will be no stopping them. By that time Reid will be in his secret little hideaway and it won’t effect him what so ever but it is going to effect you and me, big time, for a very long time !

        • S.C.Murf

          Hey skeptic make that popping sound, PLEASE!!!!!!

        • Bleh

          Apparently you misunderstood the whole point in your own distortion of Beck’s dissertation.
          The point being made, regardless of the population density, is we can not sustain the projected population growth. We are already broke, we do not have the job capacity for current citizens let alone millions of illegal aliens on top of the incoming legal immigrants.
          If we have no jobs for them, they will go right on the dole. When they do that, there will be a whole lot people getting a whole lot less and starving that much sooner as prices rise at the stores.
          The country is falling apart at the seems and soon the bailout bubble will burst. This nonsense you spout will only ensure that happens faster.

          Secondly even if we could support all the freeloaders (there are no jobs for them) it would be a pure exercise in futility. The numbers we take in are but a drop in a wildly overflowing bucket. Better to fix ourselves and then attempt to help these people in their home countries.

          • Granny Mae

            Now there is a novel thought ! I would rather take care of them in their own country than to try to do it here ! Good idea Bleh.

        • bbstacker

          You apparently failed miserably at both common sense and mathematics–never mind the visual truth.

      • Ray

        I totally agree with you,but what are the citizens doing about it.Maybe if we take congress’s retirement benefits away from them and use it for illegals they would change their minds . BUT QUICK

        • linda

          I support that for all elected politicians and we should strive for that today. Only that would just be a drop in the bucket from what we would actually need.

    • Teresa

      Total nightmare!

  • http://none payforward

    Why would anyone want illegal immigrants in our armed forces that have already shown how little they respect the U.S. by breaking our laws by unlawfully entering?

    This IS another back door amnesty. Once these kids (35 a kid?) gain citizenship they will sponsor their parents to also become citizens; you know – the ones that brought them here illegally in the first place.

    It sends the WRONG message to future and current immigrants. NO one should be rewarded for breaking the law. Besides the fact that again, American taxpayers will foot the bill.

    Government should use the money (they claim it will only cost six thousand per head) to DEPORT ALL illegal aliens.

    Personally, I would NOT trust big gov to implement anything like this “Dream Act” bill, which is NOTHING more than a bid for future democratic voters.

    • Stan

      Normally, i don’t comments on other people’s comments, but I saw the need here.

      Illegal immigrants cannot join the arm forces! There are several category of people who are consider illegal and were consider illegal immigrants. i.e… Say a person was granted a vista from Canada or England to visit the United States or say. Said person was granted 5 days in the country (USA). Now say that same person over stayed that 5 days, starts living in the country. He/she is now consider an illegal immigrant! Base on our current laws, there are avenue that individual can take to become citizen of the USA; thereafter, join the arm forces. And a lot of them are doing it and are currently serving. these people are coming here and joining the arm forces to fight wars so that you and i can enjoy the spoils of America’s power. Take the recent event in South Korea. Obama wanted a trade deal, South Korea said no, then moments after North Korea saw it as an oppertunity to try and wipe out the South, then Obama sent in one of our most powerful ships to “show our support,” few days after, the USA and South Korea had a trade deal for a few billion$. Some of those “illegal immigrants” turn legal immigrants serve on that ship.

      What i don’t understand is how come the Dem took over looking after immigrants. Amnesty was once the job of the GOP! it was the GOP that gave the largest amnesty (my fav president, Ragan) in the 80′s. The amnesty bill that Regan signed into law got expired under Clinton’s Admin. The only thing he (Clinton) did was extend the deadline to help with the long lines of people lining up to register.

      If you recall, Bush Jr, also, was fighting for amnesty for illegal immigrants, the bill was on his desk for him to sign into law, but got expired because of 9/11.

      by the way… sorry for turning this into a Dem vs Rep. You have mention nothing about either party and I have!

      • Joyce from Loris

        When Regan gave amnesty to the 2 million illegal aliens, he just opened the gates for MORE of them to come here, looking for handouts. Now, there are MANY MILLIONS OF THEM here. I liked Regan, but did not approve of that move, as many Americans didn’t either.

      • Meteorlady

        Reagan was PROMISED by the Democrats that our borders would be secured and that employers would be prosecuted for hiring illegals. Once he signed the law the DEMOCRATS reneged and didn’t fund the required amount to get the job done. Tell the whole story if you’re going to post.

        • Joyce from Loris

          Yes, and most of us say that coming, knowing the democrats as we did. Couldn’t believe that Regan fell for it.

        • Joyce from Loris

          And by the way, have you ever seen a democrat keep a promise??

          • bbstacker

            The utter transparency of it all! We can see right through their lies. They just are too stupid to figure out that we were skeptical at best when they said what they’d do, and they have removed all doubt of our skepticism. Liberals Lie. Period. Then…Cloward-Piven to slaughter the Republic. Any misinformed supporter of immigration at all needs to go read Agenda 21 (by our little third-world clowns at the UN). Immigration should be on a moratorium right now. Shut it down for a decade, at least, and get control of the borders and the illegals. Rescind NAFTA. Restore the Constitution.

      • linda

        Yes Regan did the one time amnesty to great disapproval of all Americans way back when. I know I hated it. He also failed to secure the border which he promised to do so we have had years of being over-run by illegals. I bet if we all found out how many were truly here we would choke on our tongues in shock. Since Regan they have been coming. I say no to any deals with the stamp of amnesty of any kind because they will never close the border. This would just open a floodgate and allow the whole dang country of them to come here. No To ANESTY. Another thing. With all their fake social security cards how many do you think vote illegally every election. Go to your county sheriffs web site and check out what is in your jail and the crimes they commit. We are over-run in NW Arkansas to evry crime imaginable. Murder is catching on here along with drive bys.

        • Granny Mae

          Linda,

          I agree. It seems that every president has made a lot of promises on the border problem but none of them for a very long time have really done anything about it ! Time for this to stop !

      • Bleh

        Just felt the need to point out that they are not “illegal immigrants”. They are “illegal aliens”.
        The MSM and many others have been abusing the words.
        There is a clear distinction.
        Illegal Aliens are not immigrants and any legal immigrant should be offended by it and be screaming bloody murder.

        Heck any immigrant and would be immigrant should be screaming to high heaven at this proposal.

      • Granny Mae

        Stan,

        Wrong, Clinton didn’t just extend the deadline he had Gore contact the people in immigration and they reduced the restrictions for incomming immigrants and because of that we had and huge influx of the criminal element which is what we are now needing to deal with. Read the book, Deraliction of Duty and you will learn a lot about Clinton and Gore ! People have no idea how blessed we are that Gore didn’t make it !

    • Bruce D.

      payforward did you ever see the movie ‘Dirty Dozen’ who volunteered for duty to get out of prison. We could call them the ‘Dirty Illegals’ and give them a shot. If the military could not meet their quotas I could go for that but only if they cannot meet their quotas. I am totally opposed to subsidizing their education.

      • Meteorlady

        So people without the guts to stay and fight for what’s right in their own country would make good soldiers to defend OUR freedoms? Come on…..

        • Bruce D.

          Good point.

    • castaway

      Yes, and by the way it is our tax money that gives these corrupt people our government is composed of the power they have, to do what they want with our republic. I surely hope there are a couple of assasins bullets with Pelosi and Reids name on them.

  • Greg

    Sometimes I feel that even having to comment on this crap is like talking to a wall. So many have made the talking points as clear as can be. If the idiots in Washington can not see that an overwhelming majority of the people oppose this proposed legislation then they truley don’t care. Mike is right. Awake and mad as hell is perhaps too mild. Awake and ready to kick Congressional ass is probably closer to the way I feel. There’s nothing left to say on this (and most of the other controversial ones)that hasn’t been said a thousand times already. I’ve contacted all of my representatives numerous times. Unfortunately, I only have on congressman that has any backbone. In the end we can never give up and never give in. Stay strong all you patriots. We will win.

    • castaway

      Yes, with a full on civil war.

      • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Linda

        Yes I believe it is going to come to that, I just wish obama would get impeached and a true believer of the constitution without greed on his/her mind take over and keep our country what it should be the home of the BRAVE AND FREE. I always knew he was a evil person all you have to do is look at his eyes they totally lack soul

    • S.C.Murf

      up the hill
      airborne

  • Dad

    This might make it easier to hunt down their illegal parents when they crawl out to grab on to the government sugar-tit.

    Remember, you really don’t have to hire them even if they are “awarded” a degree without earning it. If you can’t communicate, it would be one and done!

  • Joyce from Loris

    Here is the latest reason to fight ILLEGAL ALIENS. Most of them DO NOT want to be American citizens. They are here to take jobs, make money, ship it back to Mexico and go home. Period. The Bank of Mexico reported last week that their remittances (deposits wired from Mexicans in America) were up for August, to $1.9 BILLION. The total for 2010, according to their latest estimates, will be $22 BILLION for the year, up from $19 BILLION in 2009. People, that is money flowing out of our country, not being recirculated into our economy, and we wonder why our nation is broke???? These people come here, they have their babies FOR FREE, they can sign up for MEDICAID, WELFARE CHECKS, FOOD STAMPS, HUD HOUSING, ETC. Many of the people work for cash. But they ALL ship their money back to Mexico, and when they have enough, they will return and LIVE LIKE KINGS AND QUEENS FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES. Their children will live a life that YOUR CHILD WILL NOT LIVE. They want our money, our life. It’s their child’s future, or YOUR child’s future. Which will YOU choose? This crap about them wanting a better life? Yes, they do, but in MEXICO, not here! That is why they refuse to speak the English language, to be here legally. They will tell you that it is too expensive to apply for legal immigration. They will tell you it takes too long for the process to work. Bull Crap! They just WANT OUR MONEY. How people can be so blind is beyond me. Maybe they don’t talk to Mexicans, or are not in a position to do business with them. If not, they area lucky, but should not be making decisions like this.

    • http://personalliberty.com frank

      joyce from Loris you are so spot on . this is an epidemic that must be stopped. I would’t mine if they were like past immigrants who adopted our culture and ways .when i ask them a question the answer always starts out with in my country and thats coming fromthe legal ones.If they have come here start calling the USA my country like my grandfather did when he LEGALLY came to this great country.

      • Joyce from Loris

        Immigrants of today are NOTHING like the immigrants of the past. Those immigrants came to America with high hopes, with promises of assimilation and pledges of loyalty to American. Today, immigrants, legal and illegal, come to America for handouts. I use Obama’s Aunt as an example. She was interviewed, and asked how she felt taking hand outs for Americans for twenty years, and she said “They owe me that”. “I should get whatever they have to give”. What an attitude, and most of them have it. Legal immigrates must prove that they come to America to be A BENEFIT to our nation, have something to OFFER. Now, everyone just wants to TAKE what you and I have, the welfare people now live better than the working class. I personally am aware of a tenth grade student in Dotham, Alabama. She has two children already. Between the house, welfare check, food stamps, DAY CARE PROVIDED FOR HER TO ATTEND SCHOOL, A CAR TO GET HER CHILDREN TO DAY CARE, a CELL PHONE, she receives $3000 A MONTH in hand outs. This does NOT include MEDICAID. How hard do you have to work for $3000 a month? Her only incentive in life is to have another baby, and get a larger check. Our system is so broken, the only way to fix it is to END IT.

        • eddie47d

          Some benefits are ridiculous but in this case Dream Act recipients will “benefit our nation and have something to offer” They will even have the chance to put their lives on the line for you in defense of America. If you want them to take responsibility then here is your chance to prove what you say.

          • Bruce D.

            They will also take military jobs away from Americans who want them. Illegals have already taken over a big part of the blue collar work such as carpentry. Do not say Americans do not want to be soldiers or carpenters because they do. Not all Americans can make the money you do Eddie47d or want to go to college. Many can’t afford to go to college as they will not be getting the subsidies the illegals will get.

          • Joyce from Loris

            Thank you very much, eddie47d, but NO THANKS. I have my ANCESTORS to thank for fighting and dying in wars since the 1700′s to Thank. My ancestors died so that American can be the “land of the free, home of the brave”, not the home of the INVADED. I don’t ask anyone to put their life on the line for me, I am perfectly capable of doing that myself.

          • Meteorlady

            Eddie Eddie Eddie – do you want someone that abandons their own country instead of staying and trying to make it right defending your freedoms and our country? Do you sincerely believe that we are capable of taking 15 to 25 million illegals into our country and be able to pay for all the benefits that they require? Are they entitled to use our country and then send money back out of it?

            If I break the law in order to support my family – say rob a bank – am I a criminal or just someone wanting to get back on their feet and support my family?

          • Michael J.

            eddie47d,
            The reason for this push to enroll illegals in the military is the same as the push for the repeal of DADT (don’t ask, don’t tell). Democrats wish to infiltrate the military, last bastion of conservatism, with like minded individuals all obligated to the Democrat party. Once in, the openly gay and newly arrived illegals will protest military policy and functions under the guise of political correctness, much the same as has been done in all other faccets of American culture.

            You think it’s about compassion towards illegal immigrants, when in fact it’s aimed at furthering the destruction of western society.

          • Teresa

            have you read the bill fully?

          • Teresa

            There is loopholes in the bill. They only have to register, they do not have to attend college….look it up, or call your congressman. Nor do they have to serve in the military!
            Funny how that worked out isn’t it!

          • Patriot

            Do you actually believe what you write? Lets’ see lets have illegal’s fight for our rights that they may not even believe in, just ask the victims of Fort Hood how this works! I do not want to be fighting next to people that may and already have turned our own guns on me or my countrymen. I want true blue American Patriots (which mean Citizens) volunteering and fighting for our country. Oh, by the way if there is not a strategy for a complete victory without stupid rules of engagement that handcuff and cost our men their lives, then get the hell out of the battle! Either support the troops 100% by giving our commanders what they need for victory or get them out, Period! I am again tired of Compromising with complete idiocy, be warned that our President is doing everything possible to demoralize our great men & women fighting for us!

            To prove this point start looking at this START treating mess, defunding military priorities while we are at war, the continued arrest and imprisonment of some of our best warriors and leaders in the field due to the incompetence of our leadership. Is there any legal way these people can be tried for treason? Will anyone in a leadership positions stand up for what’s’ right? I would still like to think that we have some good people that will STOP this nightmare!

          • S.C.Murf

            They are illegal eddie, what part of that don’t you understand. Please make that popping sound

          • Bruce D.

            Michael J. says:
            December 6, 2010 at 11:08 am
            eddie47d,
            The reason for this push to enroll illegals in the military is the same as the push for the repeal of DADT (don’t ask, don’t tell). Democrats wish to infiltrate the military, last bastion of conservatism, with like minded individuals all obligated to the Democrat party. Once in, the openly gay and newly arrived illegals will protest military policy and functions under the guise of political correctness, much the same as has been done in all other faccets of American culture.

            You think it’s about compassion towards illegal immigrants, when in fact it’s aimed at furthering the destruction of western society.

            Very insiteful point. I wonder why progressives like eddie47d want to destroy western society. That is the direction the left has takenthe country. I can understand why the power elete are doing it and the loafers but I do not understand people like eddie47d who is not in either catergory.

          • Bleh

            How will the Dream Act benefit this nation? There are not enough jobs for current citizens?
            You want to benefit this nation then get rid of the freeloaders, get rid of the illegal aliens taking jobs from more deserving citizens.
            Put our people to work and get rid of the Federal Reserve so our dollar can recover.
            THAT is what will benefit this nation.

          • eddie47d

            Meteorlady; Most (actually all) citizens who came here from another country abandoned their home country to come here. Get a grip on what you say.

          • eddie47d

            Bruce; What are you toking? I make $36,000 a year so get over yourself you over inflated blowhard. So you say Americans are flocking into the military. I have seen no sign of that even with the poor economy. Your sons and daughters will pay the same in state tuition as someone under the Dream Act. Shouldn’t be any different.

          • Bruce D.

            You told me Eddie47d you paid $10,000 a year in insurance and you were willing to give the whole thing to the fed in exchange for fed health care. Obviously you are telling stories because you are not paying that much on $36,000 a year.

          • Bruce D.

            Eddie47d I though sure you told me you were willing to donate $10,000 to the fed but now I am not sure. Maybe it was Kenetic1 who said it.

          • John

            eddie47d, I hope wherever you are sitting you have a big grin on your face and you are just writing what you are writing to stimulate people to vote in the next elections. To encourage them to actually investigate the background of the candidate, is the candidate qualified, do they have a history of supporting America, etc.? And, do an analysis of what they have done in their lives, so they can vote intelligently. And for goodness sake never vote again, as some did, just to be part of a history making moment. That moment, like a sugar rush, fades quickly. History will always repeat itself. If the candidate voted for allowing something, but in their campaigning they say they are against it … know they are not being truthful.

            As I said I hope you are pulling our legs because favoring the Dream and other comments you have posted to provoke everyone are not good for America. Someone commented that if a person won’t stay and fight for their own country why do you think they would fight for America? As for educating illegals? As the so called global economy heats up even more they will return home and be treated like immortals. Not to take lightly that the news media and our government, I believe, tout how our country is losing ground to other countries in obtaining a quality education. If ours is so poor why encourage others to come here and get it, let alone having Americans pay for it.

            Most of the comments in this blog are Pro American with the exception of yours and a few others. If you don’t like the ideal of America you are free to leave via any means you like, and there are many! Bye bye eddie47d.

        • Granny Mae

          Joyce ,

          When you talk about the comments made by Obamas aunt it makes me think of what I am finding out myself by trying to help people in third world countries. They are not use to working because they have no education. They are use to living an ancient life of living off the land or taking care of animals and that is what they know. When they are taken over by other governments these people are uprooted and moved to cities or places where they have no way of making a living so the governments are there with hand outs. It is all they know and they come to believe that it is owed to them. This is one of the downfalls of a welfare society. It turns its people into sloths ! More and more people end up on the welfare roles and eventually there is no-one left to contribute the funds to support everyone and then comes the death of a society and it’s people. I do not understand why so many people can’t see this. They are not looking at the end results of that kind of politics, only the picture they want to see and what is in it for them. It is disgusting !

    • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/anti-immigration-lawmaker-seeks-support-in-a-battle-of-epic-proportions-800135724/?eiid&rmid=2010_10_28_PLA&rrid=238497005&replytocom=263068#respond a skeptic

      Joyce,

      What people do with their hard-earned money is their business.

      Also you can’t have it both ways: they are either here with their familes and along with ALL the poor of whatever race, taking advantage of the support money allowed to them under our welfare system (a completely separate issue) or they are labourers who have left their families behind and are sending remisas back to their families. Would you have it that American working abroad equally would be prohibited from sending their earning home?

      • castaway

        They do not need to send their money home to America you fool. I remember how it used to be here and it was much much better than it is now. You are fing idiot and do not have clue. You need to ship out to a differnt country if you are not already in and I think you are, so mind YOUR own business.

        • Joyce from Loris

          castaway, you just can’t get though to most people. If Americans were sneaking into Mexico, the Mexican government would PUT THEM IN PRISON FOR 8 YEARS, and we aren’t talking about prisons with color televisions, basketball courts, etc. We are talking HARD TIME. Mexico is a disaster, and the people coming here illegally, if they were worth their salt, would STAY IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY, and fix it. No, they want to bring that crap into America. If they want to fight in a military, let them JOIN THE MEXICAN MILITARY, AND COMBAT CRIME THERE. They are deserting their own people, and I am going to believe they WILL STAND UP AND FIGHT FOR ME??? Oh, please give me a break!

          • Michael J.

            Joyce from Loris,
            One of the final blows that excelerated the demise of the Roman empire is when they enlisted foreign conscripts into their military who did not share the same pride or love of country so abundandt amongst the indigenous Romans themselves.

          • barbm

            You have to look at their culture. They don’t say, “the dress is pretty,” they say, “the dress pleases me.” That way, if the dress is really ugly, they don’t have to take responsibility for having poor taste. They also have a different concept of time. When they say “mañana,” they mean some fuzzy point in the distance, not tomorrow, necessarily. In Mexico, exact timing is looked on with contempt. The expressions „today no, tomorrow yes” and „O. K., mañana” have that connotation. This probably implies an awareness that time is spent and consumed, so that delaying it is a victory for human resourcefulness. Thus we have lack of punctuality, general tardiness, frequent absences from work. “San Lunes” (Holy Monday) is statistically the day of the week with the most absences from work (the very choice of nick-name likens it to a day of obligatory religious observance. It has much to do with the necessarily imprecise scheduling of Mexican workers, and indeed Mexicans in general, whether in undertaking and finishing a job or in their daily living.

      • Joyce from Loris

        Well, a skeptic, we have a common ground. If any American has ENTERED A COUNTRY illegally, and is taking that countries jobs from natives of that land, NO, I do not believe they should be allowed to do that. You are NOT UNDERSTANDING THE DIFFERENCE HERE. We are talking about people WHO ARE INVADING OUR NATION, coming here illegally, they are CRIMINALS. Why can’t you see the difference??? Are you blind, or are you here illegally as well??

      • barbm

        “labourers”? he’s either canadian or british or was educated by one of them. go back where you came from.

      • Bleh

        If they are illegal it is irrelevant what they do and why, they need to go by any means neccessary.

    • BobbyB

      That’s the first time I’ve heard someone else say that. We have a lot of Hispanics here as not too many white folk want to be chicken de-beakers of eviscerators for minimum wage. OTOH They also did all the roofing, drywall, framing, etc in the construction field when we had one. On Fridays, you couldn’t get in to the PO as it was busy selling money orders.

      • Granny Mae

        BobbyB

        We have chicken factories here too and the white folks are doing all those jobs. Some not so pleasant but a job just the same and here they don’t pay minimum wage, they pay a living wage. Also when it comes to hanging drywall I have done that myself and I am a woman. My family has done roofing which I feel is the worst job in the world in the south. The problem with illegals taking those jobs lies with the employer being greedy and shortchanging his employees. If he paid a living wage he would have no trouble finding Americans to do the work. As soon as these employers start paying decent wages and hiering citizens that need work we will soon be putting Americans back to work and start climbing out of this hole we have been put in !

  • http://bjwholmes@verizon.net bjholmes

    We are being invaded from the South with little opposition from those who could stop it dead.

  • http://bjwholmes@verizon.net bjholmes

    God is still our only hope, as He always has been. Look what we’ve done without Him. What could we do with Him?

  • http://msn Terry

    I swear,These idiots in Washington don’t have a clue.We have enough problems with ILLEGALS as it is!They burn our Flag,Cost the tax payers millions,and the arrogant dumb asses in Wahington refuse to listen to the AMERICAN PEOPLE.Time to change government,start with Obama!!!!

    • castaway

      Sadly, these idiots in Washington do have a clue. That is the problem! They have another agenda to promote their will.

      • Granny Mae

        castaway,

        Yes they do have a different agenda ! We are going to have to clean house every election untill they finally get the picture !

  • Daniel from TN

    Has anyone noticed that in all these DREAM Act bills there is no requirement for these illegals to pass a medical exam? The reason is simple. According to the CDC one-third of all illegal immigrants could not pass a simple, routine medical exam. You know the type of exam I’m talking about: It’s the same type of exam someone takes when they start a new job. The exam requirement is not in the bills because that’s several million less future Democrat votes, which is the ONLY thing the DREAM Act is about.
    Message to Democrats. In case you have forgotten, a nightmare is also a dream.

    • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/anti-immigration-lawmaker-seeks-support-in-a-battle-of-epic-proportions-800135724/?eiid&rmid=2010_10_28_PLA&rrid=238497005&replytocom=263068#respond a skeptic

      Daniel for TN says “according to the CDC one-third of all illegal immigrants could not pass a simple, routine medical exam.”

      I’d like to see your source for this statement. Studies that have been done actually show that, at least for Latinos, the population is much healthier that the general American population. Probably has something to do with a simpler diet and the benefits of hard work.

      • Joyce from Loris

        a skeptic, it was reported by the CDC in 2008 that diseases such as Mersa was being rampantly spread though out the cities in TX that bordered Mexico. After much research, the CDC issued HEALTH WARNINGS to the locals to NOT USE THE LOCAL LAUNDRY MATS. The illegal aliens were crossing the border, going to laundry mats, washing their clothes, and when unsuspecting customers used the machinery behind them, they were contacting many diseases, the most horrible being Mersa. Yes, when the CDC issues warnings like this, I believe we can ALL understand. Well, maybe not you. I am sure you would turn it into something else.

        • Granny Mae

          It won’t be long before we will be paying their medical costs for all these deseases. These people come from places where they don’t have sanitary facilities and they live with flowing sewage in the street and a sceptic claims they are healthier than we are? If that was the case they would be living a really good life and would have no need to come here ! What a jerk !

      • Michael J.

        a skeptic,
        With you it’s always the same, illegal immigrants all good, Americans all bad. Now knowing that a person that is as smart as you think you are is also efficient, I suggest that from now on when you post that you simply just type your posting AKA and we, already knowing your mindset will take it from there.

      • S.C.Murf

        make that popping sound skeptic

      • Bill

        Holding their hand out for more food stamps, welfare, free medical, free! You get my point, Is not considered work, and for there diet, I don’t eat that foul trash. Oh and a point to consider what we give these uneducated, Thieving trash.
        You think the war in Iraq was costing us too much? Read this:
        1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.
        2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
        3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
        4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
        5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
        6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
        7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
        8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
        9. $200 Billion dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
        10.The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US .
        11.During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries.. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the US from the Southern border.
        12. The National policy Institute estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.
        13. In 2006, illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances to their countries of origin.
        14.The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One million sex crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States .
        The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR AND IF YOU’RE LIKE ME, HAVING TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY; IT IS $338,300,000,000.00 WHICH WOULD BE ENOUGH TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY.
        I for one want my money these illegal Invaders are costing me. Let them stay to there own side of the river! I for one believe it is time to run another Wet Back operation like we did after WW2, remove them all, if they cant show proper documentation them and there litters of screaming thieving trash back across the border. Oh and they can take there sluts and there donkey show back across the river too. as well as Zero was a queer as well.

      • Bleh

        So like where is your documentation to support this:
        a skeptic – “Studies that have been done actually show that, at least for Latinos, the population is much healthier that the general American population.”

        They better be Illegal Alien Latinos by the way or your whole argument is pointless.

  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    So, my family has to struggle to put our two kids in college when all those who fall into this ‘dream act’, will get theirs paid for? I think we’ll change our last name to Gonzales or Hernandez or some other common Mexican name! Maybe we can reap the benefits that way!

    • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/anti-immigration-lawmaker-seeks-support-in-a-battle-of-epic-proportions-800135724/?eiid&rmid=2010_10_28_PLA&rrid=238497005&replytocom=263068#respond a skeptic

      Robin from Arcadia

      No, this is not true. Any parents wanting to send their child to college faces tremendously high tuition costs (I saw a stat of $20,000 per year for California). The students involved here are in one sense just ordinary students in that they have already spent several years in school and have done well enough to be accepted into college. During all those years their parents were working and paying taxes and mortgages and car payments just like other Americans.

      There is no mention of scholarships or free tuition being given out in the present legislation.

      You’d do well to read the actual Act proposed so that you get a better idea of why the lawmakers generally are not opposed in principle to its adoption. The debate right now is just focusing on such things as how to fairly go about the legalization process and if other family members would eventually be involved.

      • castaway

        You do not get it!!!!! Most of us do not want them legalized or to become citizens. We want them deported. SIMPLE

        • Bill from N.C.

          castaway..”You Damn Skippy” Lets bring back “Opperation Wetback” when President Eisenhower had in 1954.

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        skeptic… I have not read the actual legislation on this dream act, but this is what was in the article:

        The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) estimates that approximately 1 million illegal immigrants will eventually enroll in public institutions as a result of the DREAM Act, and each student will receive nearly $6,000 in tuition subsidy each year from taxpayers. The CIS suggests that taxpayers will spend at least $6.2 billion annually to fund these students.

        And if you think the average cost of sending a student to college is $20,000, you better check around. Do you think there is another country on earth that would pay for my kids college or anything towards it if we had entered illegally? And what makes you think that the illegals are paying taxes? Most work for cash and don’t pay into anything.

        It all sounds so wonderful and generous, which it is, but it is at the expense of us who have been born here, payed taxes here, contributed to society, etc. here. You have to pay your dues. There is no such thing as a free lunch!

      • lucylu

        There is a bill passed in the Healthcare bill that gives free tuition to Blacks and Hispanics who work in healthcare careers.

        My children are still paying off their student loans ($100,000.) They could not qualify for free tuition because my husband made $48,000. a year as a painter. I’m sure if we were hispanic my children would have been helped.

        Democrats are promising hispanics all the freebies for votes. They will ruin our country to stay in office and turn our country into a Socialist regime.

        • Bleh

          It is high time to wipe the slate clean and eliminate the discrimination between the people of the human race.
          We are all born human, there is no need for some humans to get unfair advantages over others in this day and age.

        • JC

          And that is how multi-culturalism works…it is completely racist.

    • Bruce D.

      I could not agree with you more Robin. The whole thing is ridiculous and a slap in the face to Americans who are not part of any subsidy group. All the left can think about is giving away money. We borrow 40 cents on every dollar we spend now. If you took 100% of what the rich made it would still not cover it.

  • Daniel from TN

    Next comment. Even when the new Congress finally takes office in January the damage already done is going to be enormous and very difficult to repair. Even though Republicans/Conservatives are stating to take control we need to make sure this type of mess cannot happen again. I believe the time has come for another constitutional convention. Some state legislatures are already considering it. One suggestion: no current or past elected official should be allowed to be a delegate to the convention. You can’t eliminate the politics during a convention but this will keep it to a minimum.

    • Pat R

      Do you honestly think that just because the dominating party changed that things will be different? That’s not going to happen. People, Washington is broken; it can’t be fixed. Since the mid 1800′s, the government has been run on a basis of deceit. Nothing built on that platform will ever survive for long.

      Visit this website; read the information. listen to the calls and get educated!
      http://www.republicoftheunitedstates.org

      God Bless America

  • http://MSN.com Alice

    Americans should send requires to our congress to send all illegal immigrants back to their home countries. America is not a welfare country. We need only skilled legal immigrants who will make our country prosperous. Please tell it to senate and congress. Our country is already bankrupt and it becomes third world country. Everyone can see how quickly poverty comes to our society. Stop illegal immigrants!!!!!!

    • eddie47d

      Alice; “We only need skilled legal immigrants”. Then send your kids and grand kids out into the fields to pick those crops and fruit in the orchards. Unless Americans are willing to step up to the plate and are willing to pick the food that get’s put on our tables;then all that grandstanding is just talk. American workers want the big bucks and live on easy street without the hard labor so good luck on that one.

      • Bruce D.

        Americans are willing to work in the construction industry but the illegals are taking a lot of their jobs. Many Americans are on unemployment now. They should take the farm jobs instead of taking from those who do not have it either. A study done in Denmark showed that people do not come off unemployment benefits and find jobs until their benefits were cut.

        • Granny Mae

          Bruce D.

          That is a fact. No one wants to take a lesser paying job than what they were doing, nor do they want to do a job that requires more from them than what they are willing to give. Once they are off unemployment benefits and actually take a job, they begin to realize they are not worth as much as they thought they were. Most of the time people have taken on more in bills than they can afford, and as long as there was two of them working they were getting by but as soon as one of them looses their job all hell breaks loose ! We have to start teaching our young people to live within their means.

      • castaway

        Americans have stepped up to the plate for many years who in the hell do you think built this nation. I will tell you. It was people who picked crops, built houses, roads, railroads, and every other thing in American that all the fing Mexicans and other illegals want. We do not need them nor did we ever need them. Get er done, is an Amercan saying and we can and do Get er done.

        • Granny Mae

          castaway,

          You are so right. We have picked fruit plowed fields with horse and plow and I even did it with a hand plow, we dug ditches, built skyscrapers and sewers and done every other kind of hard and dirty work since the start of this great nation and we can still do it. I have done jobs that not too many people, man or woman would do because of the danger, and I would do it again if I could. I know of jobs out there that I know these illegals wouldn’t touch unless they were brain dead ! But they were done mostly by women and we were black, white and asian doing them. We were a great bunch of women and when that job was done it was done right and perfect ! Get this we risked our lives every day to do this job and we got paid $10.00 an hour for it ! Not much for what we did, but then we were glad to have a job .

      • ValDM

        Your are wrong again. Please trot out another old, tired argument. Working the fields is not an exclusively Mexican endeavor. I worked in the nectarines, plums, pears and cherries thruout high school and it didn’t hurt me a bit. BTW, I’m white and female. What does that do to your position????

      • Joyce from Loris

        What a stupid statement, eddie47d!!!! We live on a 200 acre farm and I can assure you, NO MEXICAN picks my beans. But if you really fall for that crap about “mexicans do jobs that Americans won’t do”, let me tell you this. When 800 mexicans are hired at a power plant construction job, making $27 a hour, and can’t speak English, and that is a fact in Castlewood, VA., then that is NOT JOBS THAT AMERICANS WON’T DO. The coal mining industry is now telling their employees to LEARN SPANISH, because they, too, are getting ready to hire mexicans. The only thing that will ever CURE you and the other bleeding hearts is for YOU TO LOSE YOUR JOB TO A DAMN ILLEGAL ALIEN. Let your children do without, while the illegal aliens children reap the benefits of being illegal!

        • eddie47d

          Trust me you are an exception. Go out to any orchard or corporate farm and see who is working there. Americans have refused to work there and these corporations actually have to go into Mexico and bring illegals back to get the jobs done. I’m not saying these corporations are right but American workers are a little slow in grabbng these jobs. You all wait until it’s crises time and then complain. There’s not a crises we all don’t like to bellyache about and this issue is no different. If Americans are truly serious about about working these jobs they would be lined up outside these farms and accept responsibility for their familes and themselves. I’ve been waiting for that mad rush but as I said Americans want to live on easy street. So don’t call others undereducated when reality is right in front of your face. If you want this problem to go away picket outside the unemployment office or the welfare office with a list of corporate farms. Demand that they take these jobs or forefit their benefits. Write to these corporations and demand that they hire American workers (that’s been tried) but you can try again. These corporations say that American workers don’t show up to apply for field work. That is the reality in the USA so stop barking at the moon. We must re-educate our citizens that field work is not to be looked down upon. That cleaning toliets Is A Job,that working at Taco Bell Is A Job. We have lost our connection to real work and our competitive edge to the rest of the world. Young Americans can’t seem to get beyond electronic gadgetry or computer wizardry. That’s nice but even that doesn’t always get them a sweet job. In other words you want to hold someone else back because many Americans won’t apply themselves in that real world.

          • Joyce from Loris

            MY GOD, where are you from??? Surely, not America! Where do you live??? We live amongst MANY farmers, we ALL work our own farms, or hire local people to help. We also travel, and I see MANY THINGS that apparently you don’t. A man in Florida applied for work at one of the orange groves, and was told he could NOT BE HIRED, because he WASN’T Mexican. He told the guy, I will work for the same amount of money they are working for, yet the guy couldn’t hire him. He had an “agreement” with a “foreman” that the foreman, Mexican, would bring all the hands in. This deception of Americans not working is for one benefit and ONE BENEFIT ONLY. So the corporations that DO HIRE MEXICANS have an excuse. The Mexican will work for very little pay, AND CAN, because of the welfare benefits they receive for their illegal children born here. It’s just an excuse. I will tell you again…. I hope that you are NOT an American, but if you are, I HOPE THAT YOU LOSE YOUR JOB to a Mexican. I hope you FIND OUT THE VERY HARDEST WAY POSSIBLE what it is like. I can’t believe you are an American, they way you hate American people. If you are a Mexican, I PRAY YOU WILL BE THE FIRST ONE PUT ON THE CATTLE BUS BACK TO MEXICO.

          • Bleh

            eddie you are a fruitloop.
            These people are not the exception, nor am I. I have done hard labor as a kid along side my elderly Grandmother growing up. I worked hard through my twenties for this country. I now work at a decent paying job that takes advantage of the knowledge I have picked up throughout my life.

            There are around 30 million or more unemployed Americans who would jump at a chance to work for an honest living. There are around 25 million illegal aliens sucking up resources in one fashion or another, be it a job some American could do or sucking the Gov tit.

            Eliminate the illegals and suddenly things are brighter for unemployed Americans willing to work if but they had the chance.

          • Dan az

            So eddieeeeeee
            How many illegals work in nevada not just the house keeping jobs but construction trades can we say to many!The reason that reid got back in is because of the corruption in the city of lights what happens in vegas stays in vegas get it!What would happen to that city?I guess all those migrant workers would have to move to sanfran to pick the fruits and nuts!

          • eddie47d

            Bleh; I’m still waiting for those hard working Americans to jump into those tomato fields. Joyce: I was born in the Midwest and now live out West so cut your anti-American crap and “cherry picking” comments about Americans who are willing to work in the fields. Exceptions are not the rule;now if you can come up with several examples I might listen.

          • Bleh

            You own those tomato fields eddie or are you pulling crap from anal crevasse?

          • BobbyB

            That reminds me of a Churchill quote during WWII the big one. “You can always count on Americans to do the right thing, after they’ve exhausted every other option”.

          • Granny Mae

            eddie47d,

            I will tell you that if the wages are right to where an American can pay his bills he will do the work. What holds most people back is the wages. If they commit to a job paying less than what they need that will keep them from having time to look for one paying a living wage. It is all about wage and only wage ! Good grief I have walked behind a tractor picking up 50lb bails of hay and throwing them on a moving wagon when I was 15 years old. I didn’t get paid a dime for it because it was for a relative to help get his crops in before winter. Our standard of living is expensive in this country so people look for what they can pay their bills on not what the job is. A job is a job. If it pays what you need to pay your bills you will take the job. Especially people with only a high school or less education. There is also another factor in the job issue ! If one has a skilled trade then you have a factor that will keep someone from field work. If you have a college education you will be looking elswhere, so that brings you to the uneducated and when it comes to that it is always money that makes the decission. He has to make as much money as he can at his or her work so he can pay the bills. You know car payments, house payments, electric, water, gas and so on. The wages for all these field workers is not enough to meet these requirements so they go south of the border ! Not Cool when we need the jobs. If these food providers need subsidese to help paying higher wages then maybe we should be looking into that but most of the time it is just big owners being greedy !

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        eddie… our country is imploding right in front of us. There is going to come a day when Americans will take any kind of work. Where will that leave all the illegals? There is going to be cut backs of all the welfare programs, because they can’t be sustained anymore. People will be desperate for work, any work. If AMERICANS are now in a situation where they have no choice but to take work they wouldn’t even consider before, will all the illegals just go home? What do you want to bet there is going to be a lot of blood shed?

        • eddie47d

          Then the Corporations shouldn’t have brought them here. Comprehend?

      • (WIA) Wild Indian in Action

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      • http://GOGGLE vaksal

        TO:eddie 47d,i dont like poping your bubble(HYPE),but eddie i was one of those ranch kids that worked bringing in green vech alfalfa,droving livestock and doing general farm work in the late 1950s and early 1960s and you can take this to the bank as a hard cold fact,alot of us kids worked our butts off doing those jobs and the facts were that 95%percent of those farm workers were white kids,but that changed do to the taxes and operating cost going up,fuel,insurance,then to kill the incentive to hire us kids locals,no more cash under the table and perks,buying everything dirt cheap from the folks we worked for,and going to school while we worked,you know what happened over those years ,the white farm kids were replaced by mexican farm workers,that were brought in by mexican contractors to do those jobs and many times those workers got their wages cut to next to nothing,EXAMPLE,a box of plums picked by us white farm kids cost 25cents a box to pick and a box picked by those mexican crews cost 7cents a box,but the thing that everyone doesnt talk about,the liberal leftwing is we spent our money here not in mexico,and by the way eddie,us ranch kids could always outwork those folks,because we worked smart,your probaly are going to say then why arent whites working those jobs then? why? because the folks in farming and ranching get so many tax breaks for hiring those folks (CHEAP LABOR)and thats the biggest lie of the century,by itself,because these new workers get payed not in good money but in free benefits that are payed in welfare,medical,foodstamps,which we are all paying for,but you take a legal american any race,if they dont have a job too bad,they are out of luck,unemployment maybe if they were full time,just for a great example,how many white kids are hired in the wine industry 11% of the work force,because the winerys can get government housing subsidys for these foreign workers from the government,federal housing programs,you see eddie47d if you are a leagal citizen you are not a money making pawn for these folks hiring that are sucking this country dry,and where is the protection for the normal leagal citizen? the fact of the matter is the more the lie is said,the more it is a matter of fact,well guess what i am one of those farm kids and can tell you this truthfuly that you are so full of this misinformation about americans not willing to do those jobs,the truth is that the folks running those operations can make more money hiring those ileagals,EXAMPLE,TYSON FOODS,arkansas,hires hundreds of illeagal immigrants and the bunch in government,state,county,federal level are blind,deaf and dumb,when it comes to abidding the laws,so you please tell us all here about the lie,why americans wont do those ranch and farm jobs please,do you know anything about what you are posting? can you clean a horses frogs,what would you do to start a hay baler,maybe this one may help black mold.what do you use to put on fruit trees to control,brown moths,you see i can go on and on all week long,you are just another parrot singing the same old horsepop,and guess what eddie,i was one of those lazy kids you were talking about,us white farm kids were driven away by government not because we were lazy as you say.eddie47

        • eddie47d

          You didn’t pop my bubble Vaksal. How many families live on farms today compared to 1960. Not many and they are run by corporations who break the rules all the time. You never said why your family abandoned the farm or if you are still in farming. What we did in our younger days has little to do with the work ethics of young people today. So I never said you were lazy in any form or fashion. We have to deal with the reality now not what happened 50 years ago.

          • Dan az

            So does that mean bush didnt do it?

  • EleanorC

    While we are helplessly witnessing the demise of our once free and great nation, the Washington elite continues to promote and advance it’s New World Order agenda. Prayer is our only salvation.

    • Meteorlady

      Praying might make you feel better, but a revolt is what they understand and will respond to. If we all stopped paying taxes, gave our big bank credit cards back, started supporting local small banks and credit unions and stop buying from corporations that hire and support illegals, we might stand a chance.

      Hormel, Tyson – two companies that hire and promote illegal employment. They also petition for visas so that they don’t have to pay Americans a higher wage.

      • Joyce from Loris

        I started revolting years ago. I grow my food, spend a little money as I can because every dime that I spend has TAXES ATTACHED TO IT. We are FORCED to hand over our money to a bunch of pure idiots, and they recklessly throw it away. So, the less money I send to them, the less money they have to throw away. I am ready for a REAL revolt. If the government can not secure our borders, then maybe it is time for Americans to do the job ourselves.

  • http://com i41

    For once the Onumnutt said something actually true. When the purple lipped marxist didnt want people to go to Las Vegas. The National Marxist Communist Democrat Union Socialist Party used their union arm to put Reid back in office. Nevadians keep letting this corrupt jackass get elected.Election of crooks do have negative effects on the people. Dingey Harry got the taxpayers to fund a bridge in to increase the value of his questional property purchase. With the Chitcago thugs from Washington to Nevada, same ole, same ole crimminal behavior.

  • eddie47d

    There has been plenty of legislative review and everyone in Washington knows what the Dream Act encompasses. Jeff Sessions(R-Ala)is only throwing more nails in the road to cause a blowout. Those Republicans are only doing what they do best. Confuse,Ignore,Sabotage,and play games with peoples lives and future. I know,sometimes you can’t tell a Republican from a Democrat but the Republicans have become experts at blocking everything. The have also done their share of strangling the USA. They need to stop screwing with children’s(young adults) lives. Unless their main objective is to keep them poor and “in their place”,uneducated and possibly non-productive. Every U.S. citizen in each state can apply for in-state tuition and get the same benefits and at the same cost. They can also serve in the military which alot of Americans won’t even do . Even with all the benefits that are offered them.

    • Meteorlady

      People like you are just as under educated as the illegals. Illegals cost us huge sums of money each year in entitlements, health care, schools, and they use our roads public transportation and bring their gangs and drugs with them.

      Oh the poor poor children. Oh my…. fact is that their parent knew what they were doing when they came here – they absolutely knew they were breaking the law. They had no qualms about taking our system for everything they could and they still are. They steal our identities, break our laws, our prisons are over run with them, they bring drugs, gang and guns into this country, all while fraudulently collecting welfare, food stamps, living in subsidized housing, using our hospital emergency rooms for their free health care, etc.. They expect that their children be educated in their language, thus taking time and money from our school systems, and they are eating up our health care dollars at a phenomenal rate.

      All this while their own government lets the drug cartels take control of their country. These people don’t stay and fight for change in their own country, they believe and teach their children that they are entitled to the entire southwest and most of California. They fly their flags openly above the American flag.

      In short, these are not the type of looser and criminals that we need in this country anymore. We need to scale down and get our jobs back for Americans, not import more under educated welfare leaches to this country.

      Lest you come back and say I’m heartless, I do work for local charities and there are many Mexicans that we help. They are legal and they need a hand up and we give it to them. We build Habitat houses and mentor children so they can attend our schools and learn in English. This is all done with volunteers and no one gets a salary for their work.

      • Joyce from Loris

        Hear, Hear!! Well said, Meteorlady!

    • Dan az

      edieeeeee
      (They can also serve in the military which alot of Americans won’t even do . Even with all the benefits that are offered them.)Facts its that thing you do before you flap your lips and say nothing truthful.Give me the facts edieeeeeeeeeeeeee With the new health care who do you think will be insuring our young while people are shooting at them?Will the parents of the illegals be doing that to?So maybe thats why the govment wants to make it so we pay for them to go back to school until they are 35 ya think?Only about 2% of the illegals coming across illegally are farm workers that would mean that the other 350 million are something else dont ya think?Rapist murderers child molesters drug pushers you get the idea what a great nation this is to let anyone in that wants to and let all of us pay for them!

      • eddie47d

        I gave you facts and you are the one flapping your jaws. Don’t be so loose with YOUR facts.

        • Dan az

          here is loose big guy facts prove me wrong!

          It estimated that illegal immigrants fill a quarter of all agricultural jobs, 17 percent of office and house cleaning positions, 14 percent of construction jobs and 12 percent in food preparation. hmmmmm 25 percent of all agricultural jobs then who is the other 75%????????

          • Dan az

            Funny thing about facts all you ever get is the sound of crickets!!!!

    • Granny Mae

      eddie,

      Got a news flash for you. Since Eisenhour was president he did away with a lot of military benefits and some other presidents did the same thing too. My son was promised he could use the GI bill for his education when he got out of the Army and guess what? That never materialized ! I can’t tell you what that did to him. Don’t believe everything you hear or have heard at one time or another.

  • northbrook

    To bad the Nevada voters did not see that Reid could not do further harm to the country.
    We need to insure that the DREAM ACt is not passed. Our own citizens would not receive the benifits that are within the DREAM ACT why do we need to use our funds to support and educate illegal immigrants.
    Everyone needs to contact their Senators to encourage them to vote against this program. Any Senator voting for this program should be voted out of office.

    • eddie47d

      Since some of you keep bringing up Reid and Nevada: You’re 2nd or 3rd favorite scapegoat. The news yesterday said that the Las Vegas has the highest vacancy and forclosure rates in the nation. That part is old news but builders have moved back into Las Vegas and are putting up new homes and alot of them. That is the crazy part! There are many new sub-divisions in Vegas that were abandoned 3 years ago and thousands of homes are sitting empty. These same builders claimed losses at taxpayer expenses on these homes yet are now building new ones. Where is their integrity and why aren’t those other homes being sold before the new ones are built. Our whole system is messed up!.

      • Meteorlady

        Those are probably the same builders that supported Reid for re-election. People in Nevada must be the dumbest in the nation – oh wait, Pelosi’s district is the dumbest by far, so guess Nevada is second.

      • Dan az

        Woooooh big guy
        like I said facts the fact is there is know new housing and all of the large commerical buildings are still siting there unfinished.The thousand or so house that are unfinished are also not being done so where do you get your facts from I have driven threw there just resently and trust me some one is lying to you!

  • LMW

    I have no problem with the premise of the Dream Act – which is that these children of illegal immigrants came in a children with no choice – they attended our schools and at least in some instances embraced the American way of life. Here’s where I have issues:

    1) Once they make an application to attend a college or join the military, they cannot be deported – EVEN if they commit a crime – until their “review” is final. How easy for the bureaucrat who “out of compassion” doesn’t want that person deported to delay and delay the review of that application?

    2) 30 (dropped from 35) is too old. Begin it with those kids who are starting high school this next year; they earn the right to apply through the same means as American children earn it – through good grades, community service and membership in extra curricular activities.

    3) No subsidies like “in state” tuition unless it can be proven that they have resided in that state for the majority of their (illegal) stay in the U.S. – the family HAS paid gasoline taxes and sales taxes during their residency and in some case albeit with stolen SS numbers, have paid income and other payroll taxes. Not all illegals work “under the table”.

    4) Eliminate the part of the bill that allows them to bring unlimited numbers of family members into the country without those family members first having to prove that they will not take American jobs nor be dependent upon Social Services for their welfare. Even then, place a reasonable limit on the number of family members and the degree of relationship that may be sponsored.

    The issue with most Democrat sponsored bills is usually not the “premise” of the bill – it is in the added details that go to far that the diagreements begin.

    • Meteorlady

      As someone that worked for Immigration during the 1980 amnesty, I can tell you that it was mostly fraud and that there were not enough people to even begin to process that many applications. It was estimated that 83% got their status through fraud (forged papers and bogus receipts).

      President Ronald Reagan signed that bill into law with great fanfare because the Democrats promised that it would grant legal status to illegal immigrants, crack down on employers who hired illegal workers and secure the border once and for all. Instead, fraudulent applications tainted the process, many employers continued their illicit hiring practices, and illegal immigration surged. Of the 1.3 million seeking amnesty for specialized programs, 90% were presenting fraudulent paperwork, but got their amnesty anyway. The general amnesty, which legalized 1.7 million, though it’s applications raised similar concerns.

      10 years later, of the roughly 3 million that were approved, most were still receiving some type of public assistance and 53% had settled in California where benefits were better than other states. They also petitioned to bring in their relatives for another 2.3 million under educated immigrants to this country.

      Until congress shows us that they can and will secure our borders, fine and imprison employers who hired them, then there should be no amnesty bill for anyone. Otherwise it will be just like 1986.

      ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL and they all know that when they cross our borders to come here.

      • Granny Mae

        Meteorlady,

        You are so right. I don’t know of any case where wrong ever became right and this illegal business is wrong period. As for the kids involved well that all falls on the shoulders of the illegal parents that brought them here or had them here. Using all of us in this country. I feel that they were born on our dine, they have survived on our dime and they get a high school education on our dime, so they have used us enough. It is time to put an end to all of it !

    • eddie47d

      LMW came up with a few important issues to consider but i41 below went off the deep end as usual. I know he tries hard to be the head fascist on this site but I think he out did himself this time. Cattle cars and bounties;now that is shades of another era. We’ve even tried that in our country with Japanese citizens and even with Mexican American citizens. In 1933 our government, because of the depression blowing in, sent all “Mexicans” packing. They deported legal and illegal citizens. It took years for the legal citizens to get their homes back. (The same occurred with Japanese residents in 1941).During the Depression legal residents were even separated from spouses and children. Some were picked up going to work or just out shopping never to see their families again. Is that the America you want?

      • Joyce from Loris

        It’s not that much different that they way the illegal aliens came INTO this country. I have seen the photographs, many having 6 MEN shoved into the trunk of a car. So, if they don’t mind that kind of transportation….

      • Bruce D.

        “Head Fascist” eddie47d. Look who is talking . There is no greater fascist on this cite than you eddie47d. Fascism is private ownership with government control and regulation. Just because you use the word progressive now you should not lose site of what you really are.

        • eddie47d

          No Fascists here Dandy Dan. Sounds more like your style in deporting people. I suppose you want to be i41′s chief conductor?

      • Granny Mae

        we are not talking about the 40′s we are talking about the present day and people coming in here illegally and the influx of drugs and gangs and the tremendous cost to everyone in this country, for some it has cost them their very lives ! Don’t try to compare apples and potatoes ! There is no excuse for the citizens of this country to not be safe in their homes and walking on their streets. There is no reason for the citizens of this country to have to borrow money from foreign countries just to be able to keep their country running so we can provide all these free services to foreign illegals . That is unthinkable ! We have to cut costs and services and that means the illegals have to go. Infact I would go so far as to say any immigrant that is on welfare needs to go back to their country of origin until they can support themselves and not be a burden to the citizens of this country.

    • Bleh

      Under NO circumstance should any Illegal Alien jump to the front of the line of immigrants undergoing the legal process to become a legal citizen of the US.
      I do not care how long they have been here or what they have been doing while they were here.
      They are Illegal Aliens for a reason and still are Illegal Aliens.
      Enforce the freaking law, do not reward them for breaking it.

      • Granny Mae

        AMEN !

  • http://com i41

    Alice, since the feds is printing money nonstop, put a simple bounty hunting system into effect. Self employed hunter bring in illegals of any country, at a $1000-$2000 a hd. It will be pretty much fund itself with 12×1, the amount pay per head, in just savings in welfare and free benefits. Set in up start begin in May, shipping back will not be a problem. Start up noth in Mt. or Dakotas. Yearling cattle will be being shipped north to pastures and pots will be going back empty to Texas. Average load will hold between 350- 400 person load depending on weight of persons. Private contractors pay all their own health care and taxes, a forgeign concept to dimbocraps and socialists. The trucks will be have paying loads both ways and think of how small their carbon foot print will be. USA will have lots of jobs created and invigorate the economy, as well as taking care of a problem Washington has problems getting their minds in gear.

  • Meteorlady

    The Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) estimates that approximately 1 million illegal immigrants will eventually enroll in public institutions as a result of the DREAM Act, and each student will receive nearly $6,000 in tuition subsidy each year from taxpayers. The CIS suggests that taxpayers will spend at least $6.2 billion annually to fund these students.

    All while American citizen children can’t get into colleges because they are either too expensive or over crowded with foreign students.

    Since the American people subsidize these colleges, maybe it’s time to take citizen children first and let the foreigners go somewhere else, like their own countries for their educations.

    As for the Dream Act – amnesty by any other name is still amnesty and is rewarding lawbreakers for their actions. I cannot believe the idiots in Nevada re-elected this piece of trash.

    • eddie47d

      Not totally true;every state sets costs to their colleges or universities for State admissions. That is the “rack rate” for all students who live in that state. Your child(young adult) will pay the rate of any given state as long as you live in that state. An immigrant who applies at a college has to prove residency of that state in order to receive in-state tuition.Anyone who enrolls from another state will have to pay out of state tuition. That is true for all Americans unless you are getting a scholarship. Someone from, let’s say China,has to pay out of state(country) admissions no matter what state school they attend. The Dream Act wouldn’t apply to them anyway since they never lived here in America as have the immigrant children.

      • Joyce from Loris

        That’s ILLEGAL immigrant children, Eddie. They are the same as the Chinese, don’t you understand?? They are NOT LEGAL IMMIGRANTS, yet they are going to receive the same benefits that AMERICAN CHILDREN should get, in state tuition? THEY ARE NOT LEGAL!!

        • 45caliber

          Sorry, Joyce. Like most libs, eddie has no understanding of what “illegal” means. And you can’t teach it to him either.

        • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/anti-immigration-lawmaker-seeks-support-in-a-battle-of-epic-proportions-800135724/?eiid&rmid=2010_10_28_PLA&rrid=238497005&replytocom=263068#respond a skeptic

          Another classic post from Joyce from Loris: avoid the substantive arguments and keep ranting about “Illegal, illegal, illegal…”

          How about actually addressing his challenge to your misinformed statements? Either that or concede the point…

          • Granny Mae

            The point is we are talking about illegals. I agree with Joyce !

      • Bleh

        eddie47d nothing you have stated contradicts what Meteorlady has said in regards the Dream Act or in regards to American citizen children being unable to pay for college.

        In fact your comment has brought nothing relevant to the table.

    • 45caliber

      Meteorlady:

      Please don’t call these people “illegal immigrants”. They are not. They are “illegal criminals”. Immigrants suppose that they are here to settle and become one of us. They don’t intend to do that. They simply want to make enough money to put into an American border bank so they can return home, buy a nice villa, hire servants to take care of it, and retire.

      • eddie47d

        Man are you out of touch! Few immigrants will make enough to buy a pot to piss in and don’t give me those wild exceptions. The criminals are the corporations who hire them. The ones who pay traffickers to round them up and bring them to their farms.

      • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/anti-immigration-lawmaker-seeks-support-in-a-battle-of-epic-proportions-800135724/?eiid&rmid=2010_10_28_PLA&rrid=238497005&replytocom=263068#respond a skeptic

        Hey, 45caliber, we can just shorten that to “criminals”, as the word illegal would be redundant.

        Trouble is, the matter of criminality has already been addressed, and there’s not been any substantive rebuttal to Max91′s contribution. But you know, what I’ve found from my time on this site is that the people here who run up forty or fifty posts everytime Bob puts up a story really are not interested in any real debate, but rather in congratulating other members of their “choir” while they feed off each others’ prejudices.

        Sad to see the state of public discourse in America sink so low.

        • Bleh

          Seen no post by Max91, but I have seen some of yours. None of yours have shown any benefit to the legal citizens, Natural or foreign alike, in giving Illegal Aliens amnesty.
          However there have been posts on this very page that do in fact detail giving Illegal Aliens amnesty would not be beneficial to said legal citizens.
          Nor would doing so magically close the border and stop the invasion by the illegal aliens. No in fact it would open further doors allowing more foreigners to enter the US and gain citizenship they do not deserve.
          This is just a slap in the face to all Legal immigrants and would be immigrants. Likewise it is a slap in the face to natural born citizens without work and to ALL citizens that pay their taxes.

  • http://embro35@verizon.net Emily Brobst

    With the new Congresspeople coming in, in January, will there be any way that most of these laws (job-killing, immigrant-importing, making economic slaves of our grandchildren, etc., etc.) be overturned?

    What I mean is, even though the traitors in lame duck manage to pass anti-American bills, can the new congress-members nullify them?
    And will the Republicans even have the —-s to do that hard work?

    So far, wimpy and self-serving Repubiks have not covered themselves with glory, only contumely. There are, however, some truly good statesmen in the RNC. I feel frustrated that I can’t effect change, myself.

    • castaway

      How can you effect change as dumb as you are. You and the rest of you liberals are “pissing on the American dream”

      • Meteorlady

        That wasn’t a really fair comment. Emily is frustrated like the rest of us. I certainly wouldn’t call her a liberal.

      • marvin

        castaway
        THEIR IS A BIG DIFFERANCE IN THE AMERICAN DREAM AND A NIGHT MAIR,i do not see any thing liberal about not wanting to bankrup are country for people that do not belong here and have no respect for are culture and laws,if i read you correctly it ok to steal as long as you do good with what you steal,is that your point

    • marvin

      Emily Brobst
      sure congress can defund any program they want to .like obamacare the nightmair act the cap and tax reg in the epa,if the dream act passes ,congress don,t have to fund it,no funds no program,so stay on your congress rep, call or email ever day and tell them what you want, if they don,t hear you fire them,here in alabama we fired just about ever dem after 135 years of dem control,so tell them do as we say or go home,YOUR FIRED

    • 45caliber

      Emily:

      The real problem is that the GOP would have to have a lot larger majority in Congress to repeal the bills. Congress, in its wisdom(?) decided many years ago to make it harder to repeal bills than to pass them in the first place. That way they could insure that any bill they passed would stay even after the other party took power.

      Actually, the best thing the GOP could do would be to pass a budget giving all these different things a $1 a year budget.

    • Bleh

      Not likely. Not enough losers have been kicked out of the Senate and the losers still have the Presidency.
      The best we can hope for is the House will not fund their loser programs.

  • marvin

    here is a idea ,why not enforce the laws on the books,if morton of ice and coven of the detention policy won,t and don,t enforce the law call rep issa and demand they be hauled in to tell why they don,t enforce the law on illegal immigration and be fired for none compliance,to the law they sworn to uphold,, obama, holder, nepolitano and morton do not make law and have no authority to ,congress has that power,and obama holder nepolitano morton are bound by law to enforce all laws not just the ones they want,as for illegals no jobs no hand outs no freebee,s they will leave or starve;but as obama aunt said you people owe me a living,i say bull sh-t, you are an illegal leave or starve

    • eddie47d

      You know the real reason but you are too full of it to admit it.It may be Obamas problem but it really isn’t Obamas fault. He didn’t create the need for so many “illegals” to come to America. That falls squarely on the shoulders of the farms and ranches of America. Wait, it’s not even all their fault. It’s the American workers who have for decades refused to work on these farms and ranches. This problem was set in motion long before even you were born. If all “illegals” are deported the crops ,orchards and chicken farms would have to shut down. The economy would at that point totally collaspe,people would starve and chaos would rein supreme. Dang, that is what several of you have advocated for on many fronts anyway. Then you will go to the same government that you hate and demand that they force Americans into the fields so you and the rest of America can eat. To put it in a clearer language to you. Find a way to get Americans to take these jobs NOW and ward off the chaos or nothing changes. Either our citizens have to be willing to do the work or you all are creating a bigger problem.

      • 45caliber

        It is not the fault of the Americans who refused to work on these ranches and farms. They didn’t refuse because they disliked hard work; they refused because they couldn’t get paid enough to live on.

        Further, many farmers (corporation farms – we need a better word for it) prefer to use illegals because of power over them and the ability to hire an entire crew without having to hire individuals. They have housing provided to them (Americans do NOT get this perk) and many times food as well.

        But even so, most are not hired by farmers and ranchers as you claim. They are working in things like the construction industry, meat packing, etc.

      • Bleh

        eddie47d – Just because you lack the guts to work a real job does not mean all Americans are this way.
        I live around, literally hundreds, that would kick the everlasting stuffing out you for suggesting such a thing.

      • Bill

        eddie, eddie, eddie, I was raised farm ranch, I can tell you we never hired a mexican legal or non legal to set foot on our land, we (my brother and Me) at below 10 years of age were working, at 8 I was driving wheat trucks in the fields at 12 over the road and to our grain bins at home, at 14 into town to unload, at 16 my father died, my mom, me and my younger brother continued working the place. We never allowed a Mexican on the place. So all your bull shit about how Americans wont work, well city boy maybe you wouldn’t, I did, and I still do, Mexicans cost me jobs and wages, with out them here I would be earning a better wage. I weld, build houses, truck drive and opperate heavy equipment, which ever job pays the most at the time, right now 2 years with our work, yet Illegal Invaders are working and I am not, When my girls went to college we could not get grants, help, and neither could I when I went, yet you wish to let Illegal Invaders to have free schooling and I pay for it, Like hell, I want a fence across that border, I want all Illegal Invaders out of my country, and eddie, if you like them so much please feel free to join them on the way out. Who Pays you to comment on here Eddi? spare change for you from an Illegal Invader group, on set on destroying America, you a sell out Eddi? I think you ARE! and I wonder if you arn’t a pussy too. Unamerican socialist sell out peace of crap liberal any way! That is what I think Eddi!

      • Dan az

        Facts eddduh
        It estimated that illegal immigrants fill a quarter of all agricultural jobs, 17 percent of office and house cleaning positions, 14 percent of construction jobs and 12 percent in food preparation. hmmmmm 25 percent of all agricultural jobs then who is the other 75%????????

    • 45caliber

      marvin:

      This is one of the main things that should be done. If the employers had to face some stiff fines and/or jail time, the illegals wouldn’t be coming here.

      • Dan az

        45
        you got that right here they fine them and take there lic.from thim to never open a business here again!

  • Paying Attention

    Let us think about the new citizens of this country that followed the law and the process in place.

    They cherish their citizenship — they worked hard for it and EARNED it.

    Dream Act (trick words again by the fools on the hill) rewards those who break the law.

    There is something very wrong here — aiding and abetting those who breaking the law?

    This act is a slap in the face to those who earned their citizenship by following the law.

    Lesson learned: break the law, we reward you.

    For natural born citizens, another slap in the face. This country cannot afford this bill.

    I cannot forgive Nevadians for giving us Harry Greed for 6 more years. We will no longer go to casinos in NV — we can go to other states instead.

    • Joyce from Loris

      Me neither, Paying Attention. I will NEVER travel to Nevada again, I will NEVER spend another dime of my hard earned money there. Even though I have not traveled there for the casinos, Nevada is a beautiful state to travel to, but NO MORE. I am boycotting Nevada for their ignorance and corruption.

      • 45caliber

        As far as I can see, most people in NV didn’t vote for Reid. It was just that their votes were counted for him, regardless of who they did vote for, thanks to the union people who were “fixing” the voting machines.

      • Bleh

        If you do not want to go to Nevada for the Casinos there is always Connecticut.

  • GUY

    just join NUMBERUSA they will help you to fight this bill…http://www.numbersusa.com/content/

  • Francis

    LAST CHANCE TO TABLE THE DREAM ACT

    President Obama is reaching out to fence-sitting Republican Senators trying to earn their vote on the DREAM Act. A new report from the National Journal says that members of the President’s cabinet are targeting Sens. Collins and Snowe from Maine, Sen. LeMieux of Florida, and Sen. Hutchison of Texas. These politicians will be carefully scrutinized how they vote when this issue comes to the table this week. Call the Capitol Switchboard NOW and urge these Senators and your Members of Congress to oppose the DREAM Act Amnesty — 202-224-3121 NumbersUSA for details.

    Those Americans opposed to the DREAM ACT or slyly undisclosed as an incremental Amnesty, better take a minute to bombard your three Representatives in Washington and stop this financial insanity. Children of citizens and legal residents can no longer get a decent seasonal job and 15 million Americans are laboring for lower wages or seeking jobs that are almost non-existent. Yet the extremist Liberals want to extend an open hand to students of illegal aliens and ignore this deep recession this country is in. No matter what Sen. Harry Reid and his administration say, there will be a cost with the passage of the Dream Act. There has always been a direct cost for enactment of any Amnesty, such as the 1986 Immigration and Reform Control Act and the 6 Amnesties that followed. The Dream Act will be no different–whether disclosed or not, to the general public. Incidentally–any illegal alien can be recruited for the armed services, in times of war? This is yet another lie passed onto us by the lame duck government that students cannot join the military in time of war.

    If you feel different, I still have that Brooklyn Bridge to sell you? Be honest—have you known our government to tell us the truth? Annually billions of dollars are spent catering to the invasion of people not welcomed into this nation. Rewarding yet another immigration policy as this, will only be a very large magnet to foreign workers and their families. The annexation of illegal nationals will never end, without the American people demanding a stop to this immigration travesty and throw the outlaws in Congress out who applaud this free movement of people. Just look around our nation over the past thirty years of horrendous infrastructure deterioration, unmanageable influx of at least a million legal immigrants a year. Border state schools overcrowded with illegal alien children, exhausted medical staff in emergency rooms and our growing taxing of the people to pay for anybody who slips through our border or flies in on a one-way ticket.

  • 45caliber

    It may be his Dream Act, but my dream is to get all the illegals out of the US and keep them out.

  • M.L.

    Good one Eddie, if the Mexicans are more Christian than Americans, they must do like the Mafia, Pray then kill an American.

    • eddie47d

      Christians are not going to church as often as they use to and the number of non believers is increasing. Mexican Americans are like Christians of the 1950′s when churches were packed. They still go to church in higher numbers as a total to their population.

  • FireMall

    Folks: Please look at the Bigger Picture regarding all that Both sides of the isle are doing. I.E. The hidden deals that “We The People” will NEVER know about till it’s too late.
    There should have Never been any discussion what so ever about Amnesty, Dream acts or anything close to the “intended results” / bigger picture of these bills, discussions.
    Also, to all who claim allegiance to ANY Political Party, “We” are being played, Propagandized to the hilt. All in Congress are Traitors in disguise to “We The People” & America.
    The MSM’s are the vehicles being used to Dupe “All” average Americans. The Politicians are only in office for the sole purpose of saving themselves from what they are planning for the Lowly Peasants of America as well as the entire Global populations.
    Yep, I am aware that “some” here would dismiss my Op’s as pure conspiracy Rants. Much the Same as what the Jews in Germany who knew what History has proven many times since in recorded History.
    I have to see where today’s events have procreated from.
    Who else could be controlling all current events but Hitler’s young entrepreneurial child prodigy.
    Not only is History rearing it’s ugly head again . History is Living History being continued thru Hilter’s own George Soros. thus Hitler’s legacy in History has never died after WW2.
    “Our” so called History is actually The current events from WW2 which never made it to the History Books & never passed into the realms of History.
    May “Our” God show His People mercy and grant “We The People” of the entire world , strength in the coming last days of America, “The Last remaining stronghold Nation of Godly People. . Amen.

  • http://com i41

    edee, again you are as full of s–t as a christmans duck! Harvesting produce can be done with mechancel means and more food harvesting equipment is coming on line all the time. The ranches I know of using wet backs, are a big Hollyweid stars, Wall street or envior corporations out in MT, Wyo, NM, Az, or Tex. The reason is is because real ranchers and farmers need someone to actually be able to do more than just ride a horse or herd sheep. As usual your mental thinking is over loading your alligator mouth. Chicken farms, pork production units and processing plants are all controlled by the mega corporations, like Con-Ag, Tyson Foods, Smithfeild Meats and ADM. These chicken plants and hogs barns should be put on the reservations. The Bell Pork Farms does have a farrowing unit on the Rsoebud Reservation at White River SD, but only employ a couple of Indians. Why the tribe or the Indians do do it themselves, is becasue they don’t have any motivation, don’t want to work, and they get everything for free from the government. Bell Hog Farm really hosed the tribe and the state since they don’t have to abide under the DEQ or EPA regulation, it is a sorveign nation so tax also don’t apply. Remember reservations have become the newest hide outs for illegals and criminals, state or country law cann’t go arrest any thug down there on reservations and only the FBI and fed marshalls can go there. I don’t care what state or what reservation it is. When I worked in Denver metro area, more than once my relatives and I were in a restrant have seen a grandmother, mother, daughter, and granddaughter all being pregant at the same time. Having starting to reproduce at age 13 was not a big surprise. Since my cousins wives worked at different hsopitals on the natal units, some had delivered multi generational babies. The best story was a grandmother, mother, and granddaught all deliveryed babies sired al by the same male and none of them married, All paid for the taxpayer as well as not stop federal programs. Even when ICE shipped them out to Mexico, illegals were back in Denver before the buses got back. Illegals wheather from, Mexicao, N. or S. Veitnam, or any muslim country, all big cities shelter these crimminals because laws are not enforced, and businesses are never shut down or fined for using illegals.

  • John Taylor

    Isn’t Reid’s strategy an example of the Cloward Piven Strategy where you use public spending to bankrupt a society so that you can bring about change. Doesn’t the Dream Act help accomplish this goal? Doesn’t Mr. Reid and Mrs. Pelosi’s health care plan help bring down the standard of living. Everything Mr. Reid touches is aimed at destroying the middle class. When Sharon Angle asked Mr. Reid how he became so wealthy while in office he said that it was an unfair question. Now Americans have their candidate of choice and they will enjoy the consequences of their poor choice. Americans have the govenrment they deserve. Bend over America, there is much more to come.

    • 45caliber

      First, I can’t say that Reid is the candidate of choice as you mentioned. The voting was rigged. He is the candidate of the union’s choice since they “repaired” the voting machines for him.

      Second, all revolt comes through the middle class. The poor don’t have the money and the rich are protected by those in power. If they eliminate the middle class (and I certainly agree that they are trying hard to do just that) they won’t have to worry too much about revolt.

      • Bruce D.

        I think eddie47d is higher mddle class as he says he pays $10,000 a year in healthcare insurance. I don’t understand why he wants to destroy the western culture and society. What will be left will not be pretty. We are already seeing that now.

        • eddie47d

          Do you pull rabbits out of the hat as fast as you comment with bogus figures?

  • Lindy

    Great posts everyone, notice most of us all feel this same about this issue. I bet we all feel the same about other important issues as well. We call our reps and get NO RESULTS, I think we should all tell them, we are not paying anymore taxes because of this issue and many more. We did not want Obama Heathcare, did they listen. We just sent a powerful message on Nov. 2, did they listen (maybe some)
    but they are still busy trying to jam this UN garbage down our throats. They only listen to one message. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
    It is our money and we do not want a progressive agenda crammed down our throats. So until they listen TO THE PEOPLE!!!!! NO MORE TAX $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
    Very simple, they can not put us all in jail!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Byron

    My point Linda (reply & 3:47P) is that wrongs do not make rights! If a person is a Christian (I am) and breaking American laws by not taking the right route coming here and keep breaking our laws at tax payers expense and expect respect from Americans is not going to happen. Illegals are taking jobs that Americans want (will also work for the same wages) is wrong and people should not under estimate out patriotism and when we have our families to feed, you can bet we will fight for whats ours. They come across the border ans choose bot to learn our language and disobey our laws along w/sending monies granted back south of the boarder! If you left your country because of crime, lawlessness or a free ride, go back, get involved in your own countries, change the laws, tar & feather the crooked law Enforcers etc, don’t come here and change our laws being law breakers your selves. Remember, when Americans lose everything, We lose it while keeping our minds straight! Employers who choose to hire those that break the law will get there day!I’m a POA and tired of people being rewarded for breaking law, that goes for DC too, the globalist are narcissist and care only for them selves and soon will get their reward, HELL!

  • Bleh

    To me, this action by Reid, is nothing less than an act of war upon the citizens of the United States.

    • Bruce D.

      I agree with you on that Bleh. The left is trying to destoy the country from within and redifine the constitution, our work ethic, and our values.

    • JC

      It is most certainly showing us Harry “The Rat” Reid’s contempt for all things American that’s for sure.

      Here’s an interesting commentary on what has happened to Sweden as a result of an invasion by foreign nationals.
      Note the comparison of snaeky closed door deals that the citizens were never consulted about…and the rise in crime.

      http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2010/12/goodbye-sweden.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NewZeal+%28New+Zeal+Blog%29

    • http://charter howe

      Denigrating Senator Reid is a waste of time, since my bigger worry is the people who voted to get him re-elected. I never would have thought I had so many fellow countrymen who knew what a dishonest and corrupt individual that Reid was, but voted to keep him in office at the expense of WE THE PEOPLE who will suffer mightily as a result. It’s all about the perceived notion that it has to be whats in it for me, not whats rigt for our country. The unions, hispanics and other radical liberal groups are hoping that Reid wil protect them from the inevitable which is that we are going broke monetarily as a country and Reid and company will only hasten it, while he can retire with 17 million dollars he managed to accumulate by satisfying special interest groups. Nevada moved one step closer to disaster on 2 Nov 2010. This guy thinks the money belongs to the govt instead of the taxpayers who are the real owners. The Casino owners managed to support the union effort to get the vote out for Senator Reid and since that has happened, I for one will no longer visit Vegas because I would feel like I was surrounded by the enemy and I would be right.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        Reid’s re-election was probably the greatest example of voter fraud in any election. SEIU members were brought in by the bus load to illegally vote for. Election machines were pre-programed to vote for him. The counties that Reno and Las Vegas are in had more voters than registered voters. He won by 3 votes in Vegas. Why the Rep. Party didn’t challange his election is a crime in itself.

  • Ron

    We do not have long until this session is over. So filibuster to the end

  • http://deleted j.McConnell

    Let us not forget to thank the Mayors and Council members of the various
    “sanctuary” cities throughout the country that refuse to cooperate with any
    federal agencies in detaining or deporting those here illegally as they are
    as guilty as the ones hiring illegal aliens.

    • Bleh

      These cities you speak of to include DC need a few enemas.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Those santuary cities should be cut off from all federal funds. why should the rest of us pay for their continious foolishness. If they want to bankrupt themselves, let them.

  • Nanny

    While living in New Mexico we were forced to watch as illeagal mexicans would come across from Mexico and have their babies in Tx., there were also Mexicans who were illeagaly signed up for Food Stamps, and Welfare and each month they would come over and check their box at the Post Office for their checks. They would stay long enough to cash the checks and spend the food stamps and go back across to Mexico. Now think about that for a minute, think about how many Americans are going hungry right now, think about how much money we spend each YEAR on people who are not EVEN LIVING IN OUR COUNTRY!!
    I’m sorry, I want to help peole in need, but I do not want to help people WHO STEAL FROM MY COUNTRY, or WHO THINK THEY DO NOT HAVE TO DO THINGS THE LEGAL WAY LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. Our country cannot afford to support millions more who will not work, simply because the Democrats want their votes TO STEAL ELECTIONS.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Linda

    eddie you make me want to puke excrement

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