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Senior Officials Refuses Fast And Furious Subpoena

January 23, 2012 by  

Senior Officials Refuses Fast And Furious Subpoena

Last week, a senior official from the U.S. Attorney’s office said he is refusing to appear before the committee headed by Representative Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), who issued him a subpoena as part of his investigation into Fast and Furious.

An attorney for Patrick Cunningham, chief of the Phoenix office’s criminal division within the U.S. Attorney’s office in Arizona, said his client was planning to invoke the Fifth Amendment to avoid acting as a witness against himself, according to The Hill.

Issa subpoenaed Cunningham early last week to be deposed before the committee over his role in Fast and Furious, which was run out of Arizona in coordination with the State’s U.S. Attorney office.

“Senior Justice Department officials have recently told the committee that you relayed inaccurate and misleading information to the department in preparation for its initial response to Congress,” said Issa in the letter, which was made public last Thursday.

Cunningham’s involvement centers on a letter sent from the Justice Department last year to Senator Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) that contained false statements about the operation.

Attorney General Eric Holder is scheduled to appear before Issa’s committee in two weeks.

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • Tedde

    Contempt of Congress-he should go to jail.

    • 45caliber

      I have a lot of contempt for Congress but I hope it doesn’t put me in jail!

      Actually, he needs to go to jail, I agree, but not for Contempt of Congress. It should be for refusal to accept the subpoena. You can testify that you need protection under the 5th for certain questions but you can’t simply state that you don’t have to accept the subpoena and refuse to testify at all.

      • Daniel from TN

        Agreed. He HAS to appear, but he can claim the 5th during questioning. By refusing to appear he can be charged with obstruction of justice or witholding evidence, or both. By appearing and claiming the fifth during all questioning he cannot be charged with either. It’s a legal loophole.

        • Richard M

          I wouldn’t classify what you termed a ‘legal loophole.’ This is our Constitution at work. You do not have to implicate yourself or testify against yourself according to the Constitution. Now, what I can say is these people in the AZ DOJ and the federal DOJ have no respect for our Constitution, only when it serves their own purposes.

          Nonetheless, this AG will be viewed as a corrupt politico and is taking the 5th to cover his a**. He obviously has something to hide (remind you of someone?). BTW, if you or I refused to show up, we’d be held in contempt of court, and put in jail. But that’s another matter. Remember, these politicos think they are above the law, even if they do work for the DOJ. This is why the DOJ has become an oxymoron. It should be given the moniker the Dept. of Injustice. And the feds wonder why the American people don’t put their blind trust in govt. LOL.

          • jo1cr

            Subpoena Holder and Obama see if they take the 5th.

          • Vigilant

            Issa & Co. need to back away from this hearing strategy, have a special prosecutor appointed and empanel a Grand Jury. It came out early in the Iran-Contra fiasco that any evidence or admissions from Congressional hearings could not be used against the defendants in a formal court case.

            The more hearings there are, the less a jury will have offered as evidence. As I recall, Judge Walsh was deprived of some good evidence because of the Iran-Contra hearings.

            While politics is politics, Congress should take the short term election year loss for a greater long term gain in sending these bastards to prison. If that includes Holder, so be it.

            As I’ve commented before, AG John Mitchell went to prison for a hell of a lot less than the crimes Holder is guilty of.

          • smilee

            jo1cr says:
            January 23, 2012 at 3:52 pm

            Holder has not taken the fifth when he has testified and most likely will testify again, Obama does not have to due to the separation of powers

          • Vigilant

            Holder doesn’t need to take the fifth. He uses the time-honored technique since Watergate of saying “I don’t recall.”

      • Trent Lee

        That’s what he will be charged with if the committee decides to charge him. Which I will be surprised to see happen considering how weak this congress is. When you refuse to appear or testify before a senate committee you are charged with Contempt of Congress.

      • eddie47d

        Cunningham and Holder need to come clean on this issue instead of letting it fester. Tell us what you know and move on.Honest government doesn’t come from those unwilling to tell the truth.

        • Jim

          never will happen. As far as they are concern is that this whole issue is a witch hunt to make the Democrats look bad. Obama and his clan did nothing wrong on the way fast and furious was handle. The media will never look into this while they got Newt. and Romney to kick around and to dig up all the dirt they can.

        • Richard M

          I hate to break this to you eddie47d but we haven’t had an honest govt (gee, I can’t remember in my lifetime when we have had an honest govt. It’s an oxymoron. Govt is NEVER honest.

        • Jimbo

          If they don’t “fall on their swords”, it will sink Obama’s re-election bid. I hope that they keep playing their little games – all the way to jail.

        • Captain Mike

          Come Clean? WHo’s koolaid are you drinking eddie? They are up to their necks in this stinking deal and they know it. They aren’t about to admit anything. THey figure there isn’t any stomach left in America to root out this kind of subversive crime. They will just deny and stonewall to get off as light as possible. Hoping it will all just blow over in an election year. Republicans better hammer this or we’ll all succumb to more of it.

        • TheOtherWhiteMeat

          Honest government-OXYMORON.

          • eddie47d

            Then don’t vote for Ron Paul if you don’t think government can change or be honest. He will also be at the head of the Government and hopefully soon.

      • C. R.

        Interestingly why are not the fed marshals there to haul his behind or put him in jail for being in contempt of a subpoena. Just try that yourself and be prepared to see life thru bars! No one has the right and especially these criminals to ignore or say no to a subpoena, but what the heck, they don’t even recognize the Constitution so why a subpoena. Arrest him and put him in a federal prison and let him hobnob with his old and new friends until Hell freezes over. He broke the laws and no punishment? Why not?

        • Rick

          Better yet the US marshals go into the DOJ and take all papers ande files reference F&F and let the whole thing be exposed on National television as those papers are read aloud in an public hearing in congress. Then Impeach the the administration and try them all with treason and murder.this whole thing stinkslike a ten foot deep pile of pig crap.let the people take our country back from the special few who think it’ws their place to ruklwe over us.

      • Bill

        this case will no doubt in up in the highest court.
        Does a government official have the right to the 5th or this meant for citizens to defend themselves against the government. What if he doesn’t show up, is the setting the stage for any other similar summons. And so what if he is brought to some sort of justice-doesn’t the president have the power to pardon him. Is this some of kind of test they are using to see how much they can get away with. Sounds like the trouble is continuing with this administration.

    • Jack Hotchkiss

      Help this poor old country boy to understand; “we are all created equal, Is he more equal? Is that why he is not going to jail and you know that you and I would all ready be in jail if we refused that Subpoena?
      Well, congress allows their authority to be tromped on and they give that power away to the head RAT in the White House, what else would you expect?
      What? You don’t think he (the Rat) is not squealing on you? Does the letters UN vs Az. ring a bell?

      • Jim

        Yes he is more equal because he’s a Liberal and a Democrat. Laws only effect Republicans.

        • BTaylor

          Of course! Being a “li-ber-al” and a Dummycrat, he’s better than us ordinary folks! I love how they like to be called “Progressives”. My term would be REgressive – BIG TIME!

    • John Woodbury

      No action will be taken against President Obama because of the riots it would set off. Just as he has set this country back decades, he does so because he understands that he can not be touched. If you want a different outcome vote for Ron Paul, he will change government.

    • Pat Livingston

      Its amazing that a US attorney thinks he is above the law, send the FBI over there to pick him up and take him downtown and take a statement from him !

  • Les

    Since we know he committed a crime, based on his unwillingness to testify, he needs to be immediately arrested and charged. Oh damn, I forgot, it’s ok to commit crimes when you are working for the government. Not far now….

    • Doug

      Absolutely charge him with murder along with Holder and Obozo. Then lets see what they do. This is just ridiculous is there no more moral people left in Washington?

      • 45caliber

        Perhaps we should have the evidence of the murder presented to a grand jury and allow them to decide if charges should be placed. If they agree, then it means they go to trial – regardless of what they may want to say. And in a trial, any refusal, except to certain questions, can put a guy on death row.

        What this guy – and others like Holden – are saying is that they can’t be held responsible for any crimes they commit and no one can make them responsible.

    • Charles

      It is ok to break the law when you work for a DEMOCRAT administration. Remember Scooter Libby? Went to jail for lying to Congress about a crime that never happened (at least they didn’t prosecute the one who committed the crime after they found out he was a Democrat). Now we have Democrats committing crimes and barely even being investigated (at least in the media).

      • eddie47d

        I love the “my party is better than your party” BS. Frank Thompson D-NJ and John Jennette D-SC were convicted and went to prison in the Abscam sting. There were indictments against Tom DeLay R-Tx and he was found guilty but he put the blame on his aides. Both parties have snakes in their midst and play dirty with the American people.

        • Bill

          sooooo eddie lets put a stop to all of it. Starting today at 6:16 PM

  • tom sherman

    How do you ignore a Subpoena??? As in Fast & Furious!!!

    Tg Sherman

  • skyraider 6

    Hang him high

    • CHUCK BEAM

      IT IS TIME FOR US TO TAKE BACK THE WHITE HOUSE AND RUN EVERYONE OUT.THEY THINK THAT THEY ARE SO HIGH AND MIGHTY.

  • http://PLD Hubert Gregory

    First, he should be draged, cuffed, and secured to US Marshalls. Then if he wants to plead the fifth, let him do it in front of the whole nation on every news channel. What is wrong the Democrats control the news. God bless and have a fantastic day.

    • Larry

      Can’t really agree that Dems control the media. Or the much better heeled Repubs for that matter. Certainly, both are complicit in the ever present propaganda and obfuscation of truth, but It goes much higher than these two puppets of corporate control. The “persons” responsible (who coincidentally bear NO moral responsibility) finisn signing their name “,Inc.”

      • Alex

        Great point about that media last name Inc! No moral responsibilities at all, and look at where its gotten us.

        Further there’s a comment re “Congress has the power…” Unfortunately, they also have the power to ignore their sworn duties- They are EXPERTS at that!

      • 45caliber

        Larry:

        I can’t agree that the Republicans are “better heeled” than the Demos.

        The richest men in Congress are all Demos. The richest men in the country are all Demos. And I would be willing to bet that if you made a search of the top richest men in the country, at least half would be Demos. This myth that only the Republicans are rich is just that – a myth.

    • OldNYFirefighter

      If he refuses to appear, he should be immediately fired. No re-hearing or excuses. He should also be banned from any other Government job, Federal, State or Local government position.

  • Jerry Buice

    The TRUTH fears no investigation.

  • tim

    Yep, HANG EM HIGH, especially holder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://personalliberty.com Hubert Gregory

    First, He needs to be dragged into the committee, cuffed,, and secured to US Mashalls. Then if he wants to plead the “Fifth”, let him do it in front of a whole nation. The problem is that the political machine will not let it be shown, as they control the news. God bless and have a fine day.

  • William Edwards

    That is the trouble with the US today, the feds. do anything they choose and no one seems to want to do anything about it.

    • 45caliber

      Back in the 1920′s they created the “Untouchables”. These were SUPPOSED TO BE FBI agents who could commit crimes while working undercover to be able to acquire evidence against Mob and Mafia members.

      However, it now seems that every agency and offical in the Federal government from the President down are now supposed to be untouchable if they commit a crime, whether it is part of their work or not. And that is wrong.

      • Vigilant

        I agree, but the Untouchables came under the Treasury Dept., not the FBI.

  • Glenna

    Why is it taking so long to get to the bottom of who is guilty in the
    Fast and Furious? No one is exempted from appearing to testify on this.

    • 45caliber

      Glenna:

      Not even the President.

  • s c

    Put that criminal in a Mexican prison. Let his friends buy his way ‘out’ of that prison (if they can). It makes no sense to cater to people who put themselves before the law.
    Utopians, smell the coffee. Wake up. Reality is knocking, and you CAN’t sit on your thumbs and do whatever you want. Deeds have consequences, and your icons are in deep crapola.
    Also, consider dropping that scummer off in Mexico via parachute. If anything goes wrong with the parachute, consider it an example of a ‘commuted’ sentence. Keep it SIMPLE, people. We have no time to be nice with blatant criminals.

  • John Carey

    How does any American Citizen refuse a subpoena? Patrick Cunningham, is the chief of the Phoenix office’s criminal division within the U.S. Attorney’s office in Arizona–and is an officer sworn to uphold the law. He was appointed by the U.S. Attorney General, Eric (I didn’t do it) Holder–and needs to be fired and join the unemployment line with his healthy Government funded retirement check. Now we know why citizens are fed up with this crooked government! Obama must go!

    • http://LibertyAlert Bud

      Rescind the pension of any public service union employee who refuses to cooperate with a subpoena from Congress.

      • 45caliber

        Bud:

        Fire them at the same time.

  • John Carey

    Why was my comment not published????? All of the required fields were clearly marked.

    • John Carey

      Thanks for publishing my comments.

    • libertytrain

      perhaps you didn’t refresh your screen to see that it had been posted.

  • nick beck

    where are the terminally ill with enough remaining mobility and good with a g—- its the only way in the end

  • Ray

    These are gangsters , they do what they want, when they want, and they will continue doing this type of criminal activity until some one puts them away for good. This includes Eric Holder and may others in this administration.

    • 45caliber

      If they were fired and deprived of their quarter million plus salaries, I suspect they would be a lot more willing to do what they expect us to do.

  • http://google Gary Gerke

    Congress needs to go before a federal judge and demand a contempt of court motion and arrest this DOJ thug!

  • texastwin827

    Actually, this is one time I wish Mexico would DEMAND that anyone involved in the decision making process of Fast n Furious be extradited to stand trial in Mexico. After all, hundreds, if not thousands, of their citizens died from the very guns that the US govt provided.

    Last I checked Mexico could give a crap about the 5th amendment.

  • Donald

    With all due respect, you guys are proposing that Cunningham be denied his rights under the 5th Amendment to avoid self-incrimination. And this on a site were everyone complains about the government not following the Constitution. What have you got against the 5th Amendment?

    • chipshot

      Donald,
      Refusing to answer questions by invoking the 5th is one thing. Refusing to answer to a subpoena to appear before Congress is another.

      • smilee

        Shouldn’t you wait to see if he appears first, assumptions are such a stupid thing

    • Doug

      You are correct, so if he does not want to cooperate then charge him as a terrorist and put in jail with the other terrorist

      • 45caliber

        Doug:

        Terrorism is a serious crime. It is the act of using violence to terrorize others into obeying your commands. Most criminal acts are NOT terrorism although the government now seems to want to use that for every act that they disagree with – such as owning guns and Bibles.

        So – please – don’t suggest someone be arrested as a terrorist just because he broke some law that has nothing to do with terrorism. We don’t need the government expanding that definition to fit anyone who disagrees with them.

      • Bill

        eer…try waterboarding!

    • Lastmanstanding

      but you and the rest of us would get hauled of to gitmo since the signing of Sb1869 and SB1698…try to realize that they don’t believe in the US Constitution…see http://www.dont-tread-on.me/?p=10034.

      fdr suspended it and no pres since has revoked his ex order…that is why they are all acting above the law…

      You can believe what you want…if you haven’t seen enough of the agenda by now, you are done.

  • ccfonten

    This is absurd. This man is supposed to uphold the laws of the land and is no different and no better than any other citizen. He really needs to go to jail for his contempt of Congress and then be forced to show up for a deposition. If he pleads the 5th, so be it. Is he that arrogant or is he scared to death of Holder, Obama and the thugs in this administration.

  • Larry Tidwell

    His boss, the President has shown contempt for the American people and gotten away with it, so it is only natural that he should show the same contempt for Congress and the American Justice System. Let the Mexican Prison system have him

    • JUKEBOX

      Obama claimed to be a “COMMUNITY ORGANIZER”, but you only need to change two letters to find his real position as “COMMUNIST ORGANIZER”. He has contempt for the entire American ideology, and has collected a few hundred bureaucrats that support his position.

    • eddie47d

      We’ve been through this before on the Republican side. Were the Watergate defendants Community organizers or Communist organizers? They did much to undermine integrity in the USA.

  • Capitalist at Birth

    I will volunteer for the firing squad.

    • smilee

      IN FRONT OF THE GUNS?????????????

  • JDN

    Obama will provide immunity .

    • Jim

      Not if Obama’s in the cell neighboring his own; after all, by his own admission in public, Obama’s father was NEVER a US citizen, which automatically made Obama Jr. inelegible for the Oval Office. As such, Jr. is nothing less than a criminal imposter of a federal officer.

      • Jonathan

        Not necessarily true. According to Wikipedia, the following applies for a baby born outside the U.S. to a female citizen and a foreign national:

        “For persons born between December 24, 1952 and November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true (except if born out-of-wedlock)[8]:

        The person’s parents were married at the time of birth;
        One of the person’s parents was a U.S. citizen when the person was born;
        The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child’s birth;
        A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent’s 14th birthday.

        For persons born out-of-wedlock (mother) if all the following apply:

        the mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the person’s birth and
        the mother was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the person’s birth.[9] (See link for those born to a U.S. father out-of-wedlock)[8]”

        If Barack Obama was born on U.S. soil, then he automatically has citizenship per the 14th amendment to our Constitution.

        The question becomes, was Mr. Obama born in Hawaii or elsewhere, off of U.S soil. If outside the U.S., it was impossible for his mother to have met the 5 year after the 14th birthday requirement, since Obama was born August 4, 1961 and his mother was born November 29, 1942, four years and 247 days after her 14th birthday.

        There are records showing that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii. Some people hold that these records are fake. Snoopes.com writes about this and holds that the birth document is authentic.

        Unless you have other proof, Mr. Obama is a citizen by birth.

        • IDart

          There is a world of difference in a “citizen” and a “natural born citizen”. There is no question about a persons citizenship if they are born in a country of two citizen parents. They are natural born citizens.

          • smilee

            Some people believe that it has to be a vaginal birth to be natural born, so what’s your definition and did the fourteenth amendment change its meaning, many believe that too, so why should we think you know what you are talking about???

        • .50BMG

          Both of the sources you quote as fact have already been seen to change and pull info after the administration saw what was posted. Neither is at all trustworthy.

          • smilee

            Your statement is simply not true!!!!!!

      • Joe Ripp

        History answers the question of what “natural born citizen” means, and leaves NO wiggle room for debate or wishful agenda-driven interpretations.

        The term was first used by the British Royal family. The question at the time was how to keep the Royal bloodline intact when members of the Royal family traveled abroad extensively, often giving birth to offspring while abroad, therefore bringing the issue of “native born” into question.

        Native is a term relative to geography, where a person is at the time of birth. This issue came up as a challenge to John McCain during his 2008 bid for the White House, as he was born “off base” at a local hospital in Panama while his father was stationed on a Navy base in Panama.

        As a diversionary tactic to lead obvious questions away from Barack Hussein Obama, some challenged McCain’s “natural born” status as a presidential candidate on the basis that he was not “native born” on US soil, or on US territory, the US Naval Base in Panama. Congress, therefore, passed a resolution proclaiming McCain a “natural born citizen” on the basis that he was the “natural born” son of two US citizens, more specifically, the natural born son of a US Naval Commander.

        However, no such resolution exists for Barack Hussein Obama, and here’s why;

        The term “native” relates to the geographic location of birth. But the term “natural” relates to the “laws of natural,” ergo family lineage or the bloodline of the father.

        The term “natural born citizen” next appears in the Law of Nations, a treaty between nations which established certain universal standards, one of which being the term “natural born citizen.”

        The related passage from Vattel’s book on the Law of Nations reads as follows;
        “The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

        Note the following text—“As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.”

        Further clarification—“The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children;”

        And the final blow to Barack Hussein Obama—“I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

        The subject of “natural law” found in the Law of Nations is entirely consistent with the Royal British purpose of the term “natural born citizen.” It keeps the family bloodline intact on the basis of the father’s blood, aka “natural law.” It is the source from which our nation’s Founding Fathers entered those words into the US Constitution, under Article II—Section I—Clause V;

        “No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President;”

        Not “native” or “naturalized” or “citizen,” but only “natural born” citizens can hold the office of president.

        The matter is quite clear and it is on this basis that I have written that John Sidney McCain is indeed a “natural born citizen” of the United States, and the Barack Hussein Obama is not, no matter where in the world he might have been born.

        A Hawaiian birth certificate for Barack Hussein Obama solves nothing, other than curiosity. A “certification of live birth” means even less, as it only confirms that a child was indeed “born live”—with no reference as to where that birth took place, or who attended or witnessed that birth.

        Some argue that the XIV Amendment altered the meaning of the term “natural born citizen.”

        “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States;” However, the XIV Amendment makes no mention of “natural born citizen” as it was written to address issues of “immigration” and “naturalization,”—which excludes any redress regarding “native” or “natural born” citizens of the Unites States. In short, “natural born” is the exact opposite of “naturalized.” They are two completely different subjects and as we know, “naturalized citizens” cannot hold the office of President, though they are indeed “citizens” with otherwise equal rights. As Barack Hussein Obama’s stated birth father, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. was at no time in his life a citizen of the United States, but rather a British subject and native citizen of Kenya, it is not possible for Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. to be a “natural born citizen” of the United States. It is therefore not possible for Barack Hussein Obama Jr. to be a constitutionally qualified resident of the people’s White House. Does it matter? Does the “will of the people” trump the US Constitution via the outcome of an election which happened as a result of fraud, in which the candidate concealed the fact that he is not a “natural born citizen?”

        Only the people can decide…
        But I submit to every American the idea that if Article II—Section I of the US Constitution is no longer worthy of protection and preservation, then nothing in that document matters anymore.

        If we fail to uphold Article II—Section I of the US Constitution, then we have failed to uphold, protect, preserve or defend any part of the US Constitution or the American way of life.

        If the US Constitution no longer stands, then the United States of America no longer stands.

        Is there a more pressing issue on the table today?

  • Charles

    If I fail to respond to a subpoena, I go to jail. It should be no different for our government officials.

    • Jonathan

      It is a rather lengthy process for citing a person in contempt of Congress. Once a person is brought before Congress and found guilty, the criminal offense of “contempt of Congress” sets the penalty at not less than one month nor more than twelve months in jail and a fine of not less than $100 nor more than $1,000.

      I guess that Cunningham and his lawyer are betting that “Contempt of Congress” will not see the light of day, either because of a lack of political will or because he will eventually agree to appear and “plead the fifth” before a “Contempt” is issued. Standard lawyer bluff routine says I.

    • eddie47d

      That is correct since members of both parties comment inappropriate acts they will continue to cover for each other.

  • Brad

    Love the ignorant fools who think this wouldn’t be happening if McCain was Pres. wake up people, it doesn’t atter who the Pres is. And no, the Pres is not his boss…..

    • Brad

      Brad,

      If McCain was President Holder wouldn’t of been his first choice for AG and secondly OFF was meant to be a scheme to circomvent the second amendment and create more gun control and confiscate all legal guns from law abiding citizens.

      • JUKEBOX

        I disagree Brad. I believe that was a secondary motive. The prime motive was the big payoffs Obama & Holder were getting from the Mexican drug cartels.

        • 45caliber

          Jukebox:

          Actually I don’t believe Holder and oblama are taking payoffs from the cartels. I believe this whole thing came up because they want to shut down gun sales and gun ownership in the US. They intended to use the evidence that guns were sold to the cartels at gun shows to ban gun shows – and also ban the dealers who were obeying orders to sell to the cartel members. They could care less if the cartels get guns here since the cartels can and do get their guns on the world market (many times buying directly from the Federal government). They want OUR guns instead.

  • trp878

    More perversion of the laws of the U.S.of A. “Above the Law” mentality, the reason they got into this situation in the first place. I have never been able to avoid a subpoena let alone refuse to honor one. Fellow countrymen, the time is fast approaching for us to clean out the entire mess and we must unify in order to accomplish this feat.

  • No fool

    Let him Fifth Amendment it all he wants. Obozo just sign a document allowing the military to arrest anyone without reason and hold them indefinitely. It’s time to get busy with these US Senior Official terrorists and throw them in jail.

    • Johnny Hiott

      Congress is the culprit that gave obama the authority to order the military to arrest and detain anyone without due process. Throughout history anytime a legislative body gave such authority to the executive body the legislative body has been the first to be slaughtered. Congress is now so inept they have signed their own demise. If they are so stupid as to believe obama will not use this new found authority against them (which seems obvious at this time) they deserve whatever they get. The American people do not deserve this. Our federal government is full of treasonous imbiciles. Recycle congress, the president and his cabinet. Immeadiately followed by their arrest.

      • 45caliber

        Johnny:

        As long as the Congress gives him what he wants automatically without quarrel, they will remain in power. It is when they start trying to stand up to him that they will be shot. So I don’t expect them to try any time soon.

  • http://bjwholmes@verizon.net Barbara

    Obummer will do anything to achieve his agenda even though he knows that it cannot go on forever. On the way, he lives like a king, behaves like a king, proves that he is the king, and the Democrats love a Black (and White) king. Unfortunately for us, his agenda is to destroy America. Why? Because his family was, and is TRASH and he supposes they are typical. Then, his brief trips to Kenya motivate a punishment for “imperialists”, (Britain) because they burned his grandfather’s hut. He is not smart enough to recognize that they burned many colonist’s homes during the Revolution. He is able to transfer that offense to the U.S. and take revenge. But more importantly he is Muslim and wants Muslims to prevail. Think I’m exaggerating. Just watch him.

    • NC

      Barbara(?), you are the epitome of right wing hatred and ignorance. You WANT Obama to be Muslim, but you Can’t prove it. You WANT Obama to be Kenyan, but you CAN”T prove it. You WANT Obama to be guilty of crimes but you CAN”T prove it.
      15 of so years ago there was list of 20 or more “crimes” that the right wing circulated on the internet that Slick Willy and Hillary had committed. They had proof positive that they had done these dastardly deeds>
      Did you know that Hillary is NOW the Secretary of State of the United States of America and I saw Slick Willy at a golf tournament this week end and he was hitting the ball real well for a man in hand cuffs!!
      The more you spew the hatred and accusations the more good people are repelled by it!

      • JUKEBOX

        NC, you are also ignorant, because you probably want Obama to be black, which is a fraud, because he is as white as he is black.

        • NC

          Jukebox, it didn’t make any difference whether he was black or white when I voted for him the first time and it won’t make any difference the next time. Will it make a difference to you?
          What makes a difference to me is whether the Republican candidate runs on the same old Republican platform that bush and McCain did. The one that changed the Clinton system to the trickle down Republican system that has never worked and ruined the strongest economy we have ever had.What happened to that surplus that bush II and the Heritage Foundation promised with the bush II tax plan?

          • 45caliber

            NC:

            It didn’t work very well, I’ll agree. But so far, the system Oblama is trying is working far worse. If what was offered earlier is the best we can hope for, then I’ll have to vote for it.

          • Rick

            Slick Willie’s Economic plan was stick his head in the sand and ride the wave of proparity from the 2 previous administrations. And when He knew that he could not be re-elected and his party couldn’t win he and Janet Reno sued Microsoft for giving away something for free.that was the begining of the downward spiral for our economy. And as far as proof remember if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck odds are it’s a duck.I hope that analogy didn’t go over your head.

  • don

    They need to prosecute this rat for contempt, obstruction of justice and yes accomplice to murder! – literally throw him in jail & throw the key away until he starts talking! Congress has the power to squash this rat!

    • Jim

      As well as participating in a conspiracy to commit mass-murder.

  • Richard, rural west Texas

    Ok pleadingthe 5th Amendment and lawyeing up is the American thing to do in a case like this, but usually reserved for mob types. Now when the haed of the criminal division pulls the crap, a public servant, this not acceptable. Now when the house obtains enough evidence he needs to be fired and handed over immediately to the Mexican government to stand trial in their country for the many murders committed with these guns they hand a hand in geting into Mexico. Then if there is anything left of him let him coeback to this coutry and stand trial for the crims committed here. That goes for anyone else involved in this mess including holder and obama if the evidence leads to them.

    • smilee

      Richard, rural west Texas says:
      January 23, 2012 at 8:58 am

      The fifth amendment is for everyone period, no exceptions!!!

  • alexa

    The SOPA/PIPA protest continues to show the power of the people. Time to call your representative again!

  • Jan

    arrest his arse.

  • fedup

    They passed that Damned Un-Patriot Act and now when it should be used on members of the AG including the AG himself for illegally selling guns to suspected terrorists in order to harm the U.S. just to get tougher gun control laws passed, they do nothing, like they are above the law?! Horsesh!t!!!! Where’s my gun and ammo, because it is going to come down to us rooting them out and shooting them where they stand<:(

    • Rod Roberts

      Amen yo that!

  • http://tompetrie.net Tom Petrie

    Politicians have been hiding from the law for decades–this is nothing new. And since the false-flag events of 09/11/01, (of which at least a large part of the operation consisted of such type of actions), hundreds–not a typo–of super-powerful individuals have learned that they can get away with even the most heinous of crimes.

    Why can’t they believe it’s ok to not answer a subpoena? Karl Rove has done it as have other powerful gov’t officials. Same ol, same ol. And our country further sinks into the abyss, also called fascism. Oops, I used an “f” word, sorry!

  • Deerinwater

    There is clearly more here then meets the eye. Legal process must run it’s course. Like making sausage, messy and not for knee jerk and weak of heart or lacking conviction in our legal system.

  • hal maxwell

    PEOPLE YOU ALL NEED TO PUT YOUR ENERGY TO ERIK HOLDERS COMMENT LINE,FLOOD IT WITH THESE SAME COMMENTS. THAT HE IS CROOKED AND CORRUPT

  • Rod Roberts

    The officials who refuse to appear or take the 5th should be charged with contempt of Congress and jailed until they are ready to talk. They should also forfeit all pay and allowances during that time. It’s more than time to get tough with these crooks.

    • JUKEBOX

      If this was a Republican, he would probably be sitting in a cell at Fort Leavenworth or El Reno.

    • 45caliber

      Rod:

      I think he should loose all pay and privileges PERMANENTLY for refusal.

    • smilee

      Rod Roberts says:
      January 23, 2012 at 9:28 am

      Your another who is willing to trample our constitution, the fifth amendment is his constitutional right and you want to take it away from him. SHAME

  • hal maxwell

    SORRY I FORGOT TO POST ERIK HOLDERS NUMBER
    IT IS 1-202-353-1555

  • Tom SC

    Subponea,Subponea, I don’t get no stinkin Subpeonea. Thats how all the cohorts in this administration answer to everything knowing they are above the law and protected by his Grand Highass.

  • Wyatt

    If the Justice Dept. has nothing to hide and has done nothing wrong , there is no reason not to appear before the investigation committee . To ignore a subpena and to state “I intend to take the 5th so as not to incriminate anyone at the justice dept., screams that there was wrong doing involved and everyone knew about it . Holder and company and all involved should be arrested and charged with whatever charges that apply and that includes charging their boss .
    As an aside to NC, and his comments: The Clintons are only walking around because the Senate was controlled by Democrats at the time of his impeachment hearings and he was impeached and censured . And you say Barbara cannot prove anything in regards to Obama . Well Obama can not prove anything as to his being a Kenyan. Obama can’t prove he is not ! The birth certificate he released has been screened by numerous experts and said to appear to be fake . And as his father was not a citizen of the US and never was , by the Supreme court Ruling of 1875 , he is not eligible to hod the office. They defined a natural born citizen eligible to be president as one born to parents who are both citizens of the US at time of birth . Look it up ! As for being a Muslim , he was raised by a Muslim stepfather in a Muslim country so it stands to reason . And in Islam , it is ok to lie to a non Muslim in order to complete your agenda . Go Figure.

  • Larry Castle

    Time for a bench warrant for his arrest, get DOG the bounty hunter to go collect him and turn him over.

  • Raggs

    Just wait folks. next it will be the mudering of American citizens by this unaccountable administration..

  • Jo

    Concerns for this year.
    1.Reports have indicated that the media is paid off by Soros. The news media cannot tell the truth.
    2.How can the crooks in congress be voted out – there is so much voting fraud.
    3.A great concern for everyone is that Ob will actually do some things this year that actually are good for the country. Of course, this is only a short phase of good hearted will to get him re-elected. If re-elected, he will bring about death to America. He had indicated in a speech this past year that he needs a second term. That he has accomplished 80% of all he had planned to do and needs the additional term to complete his goals. That gives a good look at what kind of list he had.
    4. Looks like a time to fire them all and start new.
    5. Understanding how corrupt the current administration is, it is possible that they could create a disaster that would bring a halt to a change in administration. Talk about 2012 being a year of doom! This could really be a disaster.

  • Gringo Infidel

    What?! Why is this guy still walking free and still employed by the DOJ?

    Oh, yes. I almost forgot – no one polices the DOJ but themselves and their political protectors.

  • http://personalliberty.com C E Gallup – Houston

    Subtle, but very important pieces of this outrage rarely mentioned – The Mexican Government KNEW NOTHING about this operation.
    Second, the Mexican Government has declared that over THREE HUNDRED of their citizens have been killed by these smuggled weapons.
    Thirdly, the Mexican Government has called for the exradition and trial of Eric Holder and some of his cohorts.

    Yes, we know the corrupt nature of Mexico itself. BUT – that does not make their emotional claim invalid. As our putative peaceful neighbor on our Southern border, their concerns should be considered.

    • 45caliber

      I have no problem in sending Holder and friends down there. And I hope they like the Mexican jails.

      However, it is interesting to me that the proported people who pushed this have gotten promotions while those who blew the whistle have been fired.

      • Richard M

        The same thing happened when 9/11 struck. People in the different intelligence agencies (FBI, NSA, and other myriad agencies) were promoted after 9/11. These are people that were warned something was coming down and they sat on it! Then, immediately after 9/11, here comes the Patriot Act. How convenient is that! Guess who helped write the Patriot Act — none other than Joe Biden! There was a female (I believe she was an FBI agent, and unfortunately, I can’t remember her name) who was denigrated and basically told to shut up. So the crooks and liars get promoted, but the true patriots get demoted or thrown out on their ear.

        So, we have a criminal cabal acting as our federal govt. People need to realize how deep this conspiracy (yes, I said conspiracy) goes. Many in Congress know Obama is not eligible or qualified to be POTUS. Pelosi and Reid vouched for Obama that he was an o.k. guy and didn’t need to be vetted. How many enemies of freedom do we have running our govt. now? Who know, but I’ll guarantee you it’s a lot. And, not only are they in govt. but they’ve infiltrated our schools, state and local govts, universities, the MSM, different foundations. I mean these commie lovers are everywhere! We deserately need to reinstitute the House Committee on Un-American Activities and it should’ve been done yesterday!

  • William 1

    Well so much for an “open” presidential system-liars always run when they might get caught!

  • Daniel from TN

    Folks, we can rant and rave all we want about ObamaCare, Fast and Furious, and all the other illegal activities this president and his administration have committed. However, we all know there will be no REAL criminal investigations and no prosecutions until the obama administration is voted out of office. I don’t like it, but it is reality.

    • Raggs

      Problem… king oblama was NOT voted into office.
      In so much as to what you would consider to be an election with well over .5 million votes from the dead.

      The other problem is… he is already counting his votes from the illegals and more of the dead…

      • smilee

        Raggs

        YOUR SUCH A JOKE!!!

    • smilee

      I believe fast and furious started under bush and not a good thing, Obamacare could very well be held up by the SC and that would leave you with egg on your face

  • JJM

    Sounds like my ancestral Germany in the 1930s and early 1940s. At least we still have the right to question and pursue justice. Let the mobsters continue to rule and the similarities will become much worse.

    • smilee

      Congress cannot suspend our Constitution like legislators in Germany could, That is how Hitler got his power, can’t happen here. I’ll bet your afraid of your own shadow too.

  • Bob from SoCal

    If there is enough evidence just arrest the bum.

  • don

    common mexico. instead of going after gun manufacturers, go after obunhole and his band of trouble. we all know fast and furious was a ploy to make it look like our gun dealers were selling guns to mexican drug lords. it backfired. common mexico. supena obuthoee and his merry little band of henchmen and liars and prosecute to the max. give them what we’d get for murdering your citizens.

  • http://yahoo scout

    I’m sick of this double standard crap.

  • SM

    WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO SEND IN THE US MARSHAL’S OFFICE TO ARREST THESE JOKERS!!!

  • SM

    (POST CONTINUED) If you or I refused to show up after receiving a subpoena we would have the Marshals office knocking at the door to arrest us. What makes these arrogant SOBs think that they are above the law? Arrest them if they don’t obey the law!!!

    • Richard M

      “What makes these arrogant SOBs think that they are above the law? Well, I’ll tell you. When you have a totally corrupt political system as we have now, this is the type of govt we get.

      Thank God for Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his Cold Case Posse! Their report is due out in February, 2012. BTW, kudos needs to go to Judge Malihi out of Georgia. The issue is the State of Georgia is contesting Obama being on the 2012 ballot for president. Finally, a judge has given ‘standing’. Now, I’m in no way saying Obama is going to show up for court on the 26th of this month. Oh no, he’s above the law. He too busy with doing the people’s business. He can’t take time out to go to Georgia to prove he’s eligible to be POTUS. He’ll have none of that.

      This is going to be very, very interesting what comes down in the next month or two. IMHO, Obama’s house of cards is starting to crumble. He’s eventually at sometime, somewhere, going to have to come clean and show us his papers. Nobody, not even BHO can withstand this much scrutiny and expect to perpetually get away with it. There’s just going to be too much pressure put on him, that even the MSM can’t cover his sorry a**!

      • smilee

        Dream on sonny!!

  • kerry

    I want to know why Attorney General Eric Holder is not up for Impeachment? Now this clown! Don’t you folks know that as soon as Holder is Impeached he can no longer keep obama’s records sealed? When that happens the invading, illegal, muslim, queer, double murderer and Jihadist, alien will be shown for all Americans to see and demand his Treason Trial followed by a firing squad and shot dead, dead, dead!

    • NC

      Kerry, don’t you just know that if YOU have enough evidence to know about all this illegal treasonous stuff, that all those Republicans in the House and Senate with their lawyers and investigative staffs have tons more evidence of this terrible wrong doing than you do???? So I’m sure that charges againt Holder, Obama and their gang will be coming any minute now!! So just sit there and hold your breath until that happens! Do you want contributions in lieu of flowers!

  • carol

    Big O is running the FBI, CIA, military, etc. Only Pres.O says who gets it. Pretty scarey when our country is being run by a foreigner. :-(

    • smilee

      The president is and has always been the exceutive branch, Obama is no different in that respect than any other president. I think it is your deep seated hatred of him that prompts your type of statements

  • carol

    Clinton = impeached, but continued as Pres.?

    Rangel = up for charges? paid nothing. no jail time. Still trying to get the draft reinstated. (Girls will be drafted as well. Count on it.)

    Frankel = elected on ballots found in trunks of vehicles until just enough votes were found?

    • 45caliber

      carol:

      It isn’t illegal to keep Clinton in power after his impeachment since it did NOT find him guiltly of charges. Actually he was and should have been.

      But I expect one of the main reasons that the Demos aren’t too worried about this election is that they plan to have the election rigged. I’ve always been against computer voting. It is too easy to rig and there is no way to insure it is correct. That’s how Reid got in. He was running well behind before the computers were “repaired” an hour or so before the end of voting. Previously during early voting they had discovered that the computers were counting three of every four votes for his opponent for him. Pelousy and A couple of other Congressmen were expected to pull about half the vote or less – and got over 80%. You are going to have a hard time convincing me that over 80% of the voters in their districts liked them and voted Democrat.

      I suspect we shall see the same thing this time for most big Demos including Oblama.

      • Deerinwater

        Whatever! It’d be nice if you just offered the American people a “contender” for the position 45. It sounds like you are already making up excuses for your future loses and in typical ring-wing fashion, deferring your “failing with guilt and blame to the victor ALREADY.

        We can not afford to question the ballot box 45. It would be our end.

        If you have question and serious concerns about it, that is a GOOD thing, but let us not crack wise about such matters with only the smell of smoke in your nose.

        Offer us something or let it be. Let us not play on the “grassy knoll” or dabble in Acorn.

        • 45caliber

          Deer:

          There is a contender. It is just that the media and the ones that run the GOP don’t like him because he won’t obey them.

          Ron Paul

    • NC

      Carol, that’s exactly why I am a Democrat! We are so much smarter than right wing conservative Republicans.EVERYTHING WE DO, ACCORDING TO RIGHT WINGERS, IS ILLEGAL, TREASONOUS AND FRAUDULENTLY OB
      TAINED AND WE ARE STILL IN POWER!! You folks have to be the dumbest people in captivity to allow that to happen year after year!!

      We even have one gay Jew Democrat who ruined the entire fiscal policy of a Republican President with the veto power and complete control of EVERY COMMITTEE in the US House and Senate if you believe the spin of Faux Noise!!Actually, it was the incompetence of the Crawford Cretin bush II that wrecked the economy but we go along with the story that it was Barney!Sort of a Paul Bunyan yarn that the kids get such a “kick out of” as they say!

      • Deerinwater

        oh man! Don’t tell them that! They are smart, we are dumb! Repeat after me, “The right is smart and the left is dumb”, “the right is smart and the left is dumb”.

        Okay? ~ Got it? Don’t rock the boat and wake them up NC.

        Know your place, and rule from there.

    • smilee

      arol says:
      January 23, 2012 at 2:15 pm

      Clinton could not be removed from office as they failed to convict, the law and the Constitution was followed. What’s your real beef??

      Rangel, If I remember right he was not charged with a crime, it was an ethics violation, and the most congress can do is kick him out, they did not albeit they did punish him

      Franken, That was only a rumer and was proven false, The GOP stated all kinds of rumors during that recount that proved to be not true and spent $750,000 dollars to do it and borrowed the money to do and are over two million dollars in debt over all now,, they are under state and federal election law investigations right now,

      TRUTH APPARENTLY DOES NOT MEAN MUCH TO YOU AND YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT OTHERS!!!!!!!!!

  • gunner 689

    What do you expect from the BO/Holder “Just- Us” Dept.? It’s the Chicago way. I’m sure Napolitano is up to her red knickers in this to. This affair makes Water Gate look like child’s play.

  • Alton Clark

    They are safe as long as Obama is in the White House !

    • Deerinwater

      I don’t know, didn’t 43′s rubber stamp AG end up taking a nose dive?

  • Charles

    The key to reining in criminal activities by Justice Department officials might be for a Grand Jury to indict them. A Grand Jury in the state of Arizona would probably be the best ones to do this. I have been told that the powers, of a sitting grand jury to investigate and indict, are almost limitles.

  • William Bolton

    Most sorry to bother your majesties with the needs of the people since you are not answerable to the same law as us. Please have mercy on us when we take your heads for showing your contempt for us. You sorry bastards had better get in line and answer up. You may be well trained, but some of us trained your trainers and we don’t want felons running law enforcement! How dare these creeps act like prima donnas and refuse to appear. Where are honest law enforcement officers? I for one want to see some arrest warrants served!

  • Maxine

    I think both partys are in together and they all new about the guns taken to mexico they wont do notheing to hHolder because he will tell on all of them that is why we need to get rid of everyone of them this will go on till election then they will hope we for get it

  • Joseph Marciona

    Pleading the 5th was not inserted as a right for government officials. Government oficials are appointed or elected by the citizens of the USA. The 5th amendment was to protect citizens against trumped-up charges presented by the Government. I can’t imagine how any Government official has the right not to answer any question presented by congress.

    • Bill

      sounds logical to me. Haul him before congress and get out the water hose.

    • Deerinwater

      no , the 5th amendment allows us the option to decline testimony that might be deemed as self incriminating. You have a constitutional right to defend yourself. Taking sanctuary provided by the 5th amendment is “not” an admission of guilt.

      Guilt, innocence and truth are made allusive by human behavior and best left for the brightest minds and a jury of our piers.

      Our system is by no means perfect but about as good as good gets. (if you’ve got the loot and the facts on your side or some bright mind steps forward just to defend “justice” for the sake of justice)

    • smilee

      Joseph Marciona says:
      January 23, 2012 at 6:45 pm

      WHAT! WHAT! WHAT! The fifth amendment is the constitutional right of every person,no exceptions. Your another one of those who like to trample on our Constitution. aren’t you???

  • Pattrick

    Pray for Obama….How about Psalms 109 verse 8: Let his days be few, and let another take his office.

    • smilee

      LOL that’s praying against him, do you have trouble knowing up from down too??

  • Dennis

    Then he should be arrested and brought before the court end of story.

    • Deerinwater

      No! the beginning of the story .(with any luck)

  • Deerinwater

    Obviously there some strategy behind such posturing. I would think it naive to assume that contempt is the crime of question or concern.

    The truth is rarely for the simple asking of it and often requires “extraction” by means of finding ones self “compromised”.

    But let us be realistic here, I’ve find myself, in a damned if I do and damned if I didn’t and left to choose the lesser of two evils.

    That is what a contempt of court charges is about.

    If you have mad grizzly bear trying to chase you down, jumping a fence and running though a pack junkyard dogs might be a sound decision. Maybe they will distract the bear long enough to slow his advance, buying yourself time to find a more defensible position.

    An unjust law is no law.

    A contempt of court charge is just a instrument of the courts and not a verdict of guilt but only a failure to comply.

    Why all of this silly talk as the courts system administers to the business of the day? I fail to understand the passion in something that the courts are attempting to render a decision on by administering rule of law as you speak like someone might have just boinked your sister.

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