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Senate Passes Legislation To Repeal DADT

December 22, 2010 by  

Senate passes legislation to repeal DADTThe law that prohibits openly gay individuals from serving in the military has been repealed by Congress and now awaits signature by President Barack Obama.

The Senate voted 65-31 to repeal "don't ask, don't tell" (DADT) on Dec. 18, clearing the last hurdle before the bill heads to the President's desk. Obama is expected to sign the measure into law on Dec. 22. However, the implementation of the repeal may take several months because Obama and his top advisers must first certify that the new law will not affect the military's ability to fight, according to FOX News.

In a written statement, Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) praised the Senate's historic vote to eliminate the 17-year-old policy.

"It is a galvanizing victory for individual civil rights in our country, grounded in enduring American values," said Leahy. "Removing a discriminatory barrier for some Americans underscores the rights of all Americans."

The repeal does have its critics, including Senator John McCain (R-Ariz.). Speaking on the Senate floor before the vote, McCain said that he has heard from thousands of active and retired military personnel, who do not support the repeal of DADT. He added that allowing openly gay soldiers in the military will cause "distractions" and will lead to gold stars being placed on windows throughout America, which signifies the death of a family member in the armed forces. 

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  • Effin Reed Tard

    Amazing ! That about does it for the US military. I guess we will start losing more battles and wars. Thanks Federal government !

    It took almost 2 decades of political correctness. That proves a plan of gradualism wins.

    You got to train your sons in combat from the time they are infants. You fathers out there should watch the movie “300″ and teach your sons in a Spartan way. The us military has become like those boy loving Athenians !

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmOH5f1J1Uc

    The persians are like the federal government….

    • Concerned American

      Lossing battles? Winning battles? Oh you ignorant, ignorant child. Tell me, which war have we really and truly “won” since World War 2? Do you call our financial hell holes of Iraq and Afghanistan and the murder of 1 million Iraqis while Al Queida, a CIA created asset supplied by shadowy organizations, runs free winning?

      • http://naver samurai

        Where do you get 1 million Iraqis killed? I think you need to cite your source with those numbers. Remember, Al Queda has killed many of them with suicide bombers. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          Tell us samurai, where have we had a clear win since WWII?

          Rob

          • http://naver samurai

            How about Panama, Grenada, liberation of Iraq from Saddam Hussein, Lybia giving up it’s WMD program without firing a shot, do these count? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Bus

        We’ve won many wars, military confrontations, the problem we have is establishing a peace in our image…that takes years and may in fact be impossible.

    • smithington

      Homosexuality is just another form of deviant, perverted sexual behavior. The gays want to force acceptance of their lifestyle on those who disagree with them so that they can try and make themselves feel better about what they KNOW in their hearts is wrong. Ex-homosexuals will tell you this. If a person keeps telling themselves long enough that what they are doing is O.K. …it will eventually SEEM O.K. “Everyone did what was right in their own eyes”,…just before the END.

    • EddieW

      You have to understand, it is all part of a plan!!! They might not let me post this link, but it tells all…yeah, it’s stupid long, but check the index…if they let this through!!
      The New World Order of Barbarians
      http://www.scribd.com/doc/10474334/The-New-Order-of-the-Barbarians-by-Dr-

  • Concerned American

    I would not be against this per say, as being in the military, I work along side attractive females. I have to control myself as a commissioned officer and I do just fine. If I don’t, I can be court martialed and held accountable. If gays are held to the exact same standards in not making unwanted advances on other men as I am held to for not making unwanted advances on women, then I am cool with this. The problem is, as always, that one group is held to a different standard than another group. As a straight male, I have to exercise “dick discipline” as I call it and not sexually harass for if I make so much as an inappropraite eye wink at a female, I am subject to court martial, etc., etc. Of course, gays will be allowed to be falmboyant and rub my shoulders without approriate punishment and that is wrong.

    • http://naver samurai

      You’re in the military? What branch? What’s your MOS? If you’re an officer, you wouldn’t be making remarks about working next to attractive females, because it doesn’t set the example of an officer, nor does it show integrity, morals, etc, for serving in the military. What officer would talk about maintaining “wing wing” discipline? Your head above your shoulder is what’s supposed to be controling your actions and beliefs. Why do some of your always say “I’m a straight male?” Most of the people that say they are a straight male, tend to be lying. Not saying that you are, but it tends to sound like it to me. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • FireFly

        Come on, you know that Marxist liberals are taught that anything they do, any lie they tell, is OK, if it furthers the cause. This person is well trained if you fall for it. Don’t. Yes, it is quite unlikely he is an officer (we haven’t fallen that far morally) but this congressional meddling is likely to be costly. They say we have lost 14,000 to DADT but I suspect we are going to lose at least that many wh refuse to put up with this crap the same as the TSA groping for the illusion of safety. When the first gay in the military is killed for parading his sexual orientation you are going to hear the liberal media raise a roar but they will never accept that their actions and their meddling had anything to do with it. Our country is doomed if we don’t start dealing with things as they are and not as we want them to be.

        • http://naver sook young

          I agree with you FireFly. Merry Christmas and thank you.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai

      • http://naver samurai

        This sounds like an immature moron named Chris! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • James

      C.A. All the more reason for not allowing females and gays in the military.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Concerned American… I read then reread your post. You say you are in the military? Do you think it is different in the civilian world? I don’t understand why any gay man would ‘rub your shoulders’ and not fear prosecution? Don’t get me wrong. I don’t think they should have changed anything that was already working. I just didn’t understand your post.

    • TIME

      CA,
      Its strange how in the world of the PC gang if it weren’t for “double standards” they would have no standards at all.

      I got a nice Email from Barry with his glee over the passage of this new bill. I am not in the Military, but I can grasp that we have just set a new double standard that agains divides the US population in one more area.

      • Dan az

        Time
        just like your name all it takes is just alittle more time and the truth of the matter will show its ugly head.
        Subject: Request for Relief from Command due to Personal Moral Conflict with New Homosexual Policy

        1. I respectfully request to be relieved of Command of XXX Squadron, XXX Cavalry prior to new policy implementation subsequent to the repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.” My personal religious beliefs and moral convictions do not permit me to treat homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle, compatible with military service, any more than adultery, illicit drug use, or criminal activity. I believe this lifestyle runs counter to good order and discipline in military units, and I refuse to sacrifice my belief system, protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, in order to fall in line with the command policy that will logically follow. This new policy will undoubtedly include mandatory sensitivity training as well as same-sex partner inclusion in Family Readiness Group activities and integration into the full spectrum of other military benefits, as well as a whole new category of discrimination standards and investigative procedures. I will not, as a commander, put my signature on a training schedule or other document recognizing or legitimizing any of these things that contradict my personal beliefs.

        2. I would like to remain in the XXX Army National Guard until I am eligible for retirement (at 20 years and 0 days), which would be in the late summer of 2012, but on grounds of my religious beliefs, I will not attend sensitivity or behavior modification training consequential to this policy change, even if it means disciplinary action. I regret that I cannot continue to serve in the military further, but feel that my efforts would be insincere because my heart will no longer be in it.”

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    Congradulations Liberals !! You’re well on your way to accomplishing one of your major goal; the destruction of the United States Military.
    Let’s see; you’ve corrupted our children, you’ve driven God out of our society, you’ve ruined the traditional family and belittled family values, you’ve made it legal and socially acceptable to murder unborn children, and you’ve elevated sexual perverts to a protected status. What’s next acceptance of pedophilia or beasteality ? You’ve done it through your movies, your music, your drugs, and your corrupt politicians and judges. It’s a proud day for you, you’ve done what multitudes of of other nations have tried, you’ve greatly destroyed America. If a civil war ever comes again to our shores you’d better find a deep hole to hide in. Merry Christmas.

    • newspooner

      Amen.

    • http://naver samurai

      100% agree, fellow patriot! Merry Christmas to you also. 2/152 Inf Bn. Dragon Slayers! Hooooorrrrraaaaah! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://?? Joe H.

        samurai,
        Merry Christmas to you and sook young. May god Bless you both in the upcomming year!! 114th assault helicopter co. 67N2F!!!

        • http://naver samurai

          Same to you and yours and have many more. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! Merry Christmas from Sook Young and I. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          2/152 INF BN (MECH)

          Dragon slayers!

    • Teresa

      AMEN. AND MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU GUNNER!

      • http://naver sook young

        Merry Christmas to you Teresa.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

        • Teresa

          MERRY CHRISTMAS to you sook young, and God bless you and your family and prayers always to our military!

    • Jukebox

      I am watching this so called leader sign DADT, and praising every gay in the government. I am beginning to believe the rumors that this guy is bi-sexual, and I look for him to propose a national holiday for gays. He is on a diatribe about gays from Gettysburg to today, and I am about to puke.

      • Teresa

        He IS, look it up! Is no secret. Now we all have to suffer because WE do not believe nor follow his beliefs….sound familiar????

    • oldtimeyman

      Well said. I agree completely.

    • S.C.Murf

      Let me know if you need someone to watch your flank gunner. My eyes are still good and my aim is bang on!

      up the hill
      airborne

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        thanks Murf. Your’e the kind of man that you can go to Hell and back with.
        Semper Fie

      • http://naver samurai

        Same goes for me Gunner. If you don’t mind TOW missiles. Keep up the good fight, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          Love em, the more the merrier. I think I can still play a fine tune on an M-60 and I can still pop prarie rats at 600 yds plus.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Murf n Gunner,
        God Bless and Merry Christmas!!!! Give Em Hell!!

        • S.C.Murf

          Merry Christmas MEN, and hopefully a good New year for you and yours

          up the hill
          airborne

  • M

    What have gays won here really? Was it that important that anyone, everyone know you’re gay? I mean, what is this whole thing about? I don’t get it. What were gays missing with DADT? Can flamers now run wild in the military? Is that the big win here?

    With all of the critical issues on our plate right now, this is the issue that garners the most attention. This country is SO lost.

    • Jukebox

      We are repeating the history of the Roman Empire, where the Emporers, Senators, and most of the leadership engaged in homosexual orgies that ultimately led to the downfall of the Empire. I have never seen such a disgraceful display of Hedonism as Obama put on this morning at the signing of DADT.

    • Kinetic1

      M,
      DADT was like a weight hung on the neck of each and every gay soldier. It has nothing to do with being allowed to run wild like Klinger in M*A*S*H*, but everything to do with not having to live in fear of being discovered. No man or woman should have to worry about who’s picture they keep to remind them of what they are fighting for. No one willing to lay down their life to defend our country should have to fear the nation they are defending. That was the quiet evil of DADT.

      In one of my former lines of business I worked alongside many homosexuals. Some were flamboyant, some were not, and I was approached more than once. I treated these advances as I would an advance from any women: I was flattered that they considered me attractive, but I was not interested ( in this case, as opposed to a women it was orientation rather than mutual attraction.) Only once did I have to say anything more than “thanks, but no thanks.”

      I have never been a soldier and I accept that there are special circumstances that I may not be familiar with. On the other hand, I am acquainted with “real men” who are built like a tank, but still live in fear of a gay propositioning them, as if it was a sign of their own lack of masculinity. I truly believe that the success of this repeal will depend solely on the gay soldiers showing proper decorum, and the straight soldiers controlling their fears and bias. If anything, I would be more concerned about homophobic soldiers “acting out” than the gays running wild in the showers.

      • M

        Kinetic1: Thank you for that thoughtful reply. I mean that sincerely. It is a different perspective, and one that I appreciate. This is how we learn from one another.

        • Kinetic1

          M,
          And thank you for your civility. I understand the discomfort many people feel when around openly gay people, whether it comes from religious upbringing or natural aversion. I don’t expect to change those feelings, just to give thought to the other side.

          By the way, I know it’s off topic, but does anybody else here miss hearing Christmas music when they go shopping? I can accept those stores that feel the need to exclude particularly religious songs, especially if the owner is not Christian, but is it really offensive to play “Rudolph” or “Frosty”? How about “Let it snow”?

          • Dan Burke

            You want PC military but then complain about PC shopping?

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        That’s just too damn bad. They should never have been allowed in in the first place.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        No one is afraid of the queers, other than getting their blood on you. It’s just that real men find them dispicable and freaks.

        • Curtis

          No Gunner… real men aren’t afraid of homosexuals. Tiny minded homophobes… men who are unclear and uncertain of their sexuality are afraid of homosexuals. Scared that they may be actually be homosexuals themselves, they spew hate towards the very group they are probably a member of. You’re overcompensating… do you hate gays? Or do you hate yourself?

          • http://naver samurai

            Who the h*** are you to come up here with some damn remark like that? Just shut your yap and get lost. You’ve probably never been in the military (no balls), so you have no chance in knowing how this “group” effects morale. You say it’s OK for them? How about the other soldiers? I can honestly tell you that if a soldier is known to be a homo, other soldiers will feel uncomfortable when taking showers with that person around. When the soldiers are standing in line for chow and the sergeant tells them to go “nut to butt”, I see that soldier smiling and the others feeling bad, because of the situation. You’re just here to attack someone and then leave. Believe me, if they start prancing around and doing unnatural things, I can tell you that they would need MP’s around them to keep them from harm. I went to basic training on March 18, 1985. My platoon was on the first floor. The cycle before mine a soldier was killed for being gay. His unit was on the third floor of the same building (Charlie 2 1) and somehow the other recruits found out he was gay. How? I don’t know. They threw him down 3 flights of stairs and threw him down again, killing the 18 year old. An investigation and a courts martial was held, but the 11 recruits that did this to him were found not guilty, due to lack of evidence. The rest of the recruits in their platoon stood by them by saying, “he just fell down the stairs” or “I didn’t see anything.” You libs on this site are all morons! Just think, this happened before DADT, but what do you think will happen now since it has been repealed? I guarantee you haven’t seen anything yet. You people that have bleeding hearts for the gays, need to just pack up and go somewhere else. You all just weakened this country some more. Go spread your lies somewhere else, because we aren’t listening. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Curtis

            Eleven guys murdered a gay guy and you’re proud of that? How cowardly was that? ELEVEN guys ganged up and killed an 18 year old boy and then you have the nerve to talk about God and Country? DO you really think YOUR GOD would be proud of that? You talk about honor? You are an embarrassment to every man who has worn a uniform and died for this country.

          • Sheldon

            BTW Samurai… you want me to shut my yap? I say make me! Bring yourself… bring your 11 buddies… just bring it.

          • http://naver samurai

            If you read my post, you moron, you would have known that it happened the cycle before I enlisted. I had no part in it. Another thing, who the heck are you two lib, gay loving, baby killing, marists to say who is honorable or not by wearing the uniform? Since you morons never served, you have no hope in understanding what soldiers may go through every single day. I never said I was proud of what happened, just said the thing happened. Curtis and Sheldon are just bleeding hearted fools that are messing up this site, by saying they know certain things, in which you don’t. You two morons have never been in a combat unit, in combat, or have ever been part of the uniformed services. By the way you bellyache about how the gays should be allowed things, you are the disappointments to this country. By repealing this DADT, it will only succeed in making our country weaker. Everything I’ve stated in my previous post is true and cannot be denied. Did you know that if a soldier needs a blood transfusion to save his life, the medics can’t draw blood from a gay soldier? Did you know they can’t do this, due to the soldier possibly carrying the AIDS virus? Did you know that these were written orders from general officers in the Pentegon? If you think I’m wrong, show some patriotism and balls and sign up. Then you’ll have a first hand view of what goes on with them. Sigh, it’s hard to deal with these people in the military as they bring down morale and they don’t promote battle performance. Believe what you want, but I’ve seen it first hand. How atheist of you to talk to someone like that. I guess the only thing that Santa will be giving the both of you this year is either a blow up doll or a dildo. Dragon Slayers! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Bill

            where do you come up with this? Insecure in our masculinity? Don’t think so, that is just a homosexual response to further their argument of victimization. Got to come up with better premises for your argument my friend.

  • http://personalliberty.com open mind

    Lets look at things I have been in the Milatary for twenty three years. I have been overseas and in combat I have yet to see anyone show a public display of effection. I don’t think that will change if gay people are aloud to be open. I don’t care as long as the fight the same as I.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      think again. for one thing revellie will be at 0400 to give them time to put their makeup on.

    • http://naver samurai

      Really? 23 years? What branch and where were you stationed? I used to see soldiers walking and holding the hands of their spouse. How could you not see that? You sound almost like concerned american, who isn’t really concerned about this country. If you were, you wouldn’t want them in the military. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://naver sook young

        This again sounds like this Chris person! Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

        • Nate

          What a moronic woman you are. Thank you.

  • http://n.cates@cox.net Norman F.

    I can foresee the next step; special rooms, cubicles or tents for queers to co-habitate while straight soldiers have to be content with letters and pictures from their wives and girlfriends.
    In my 22 years in the military I saw many times the queers make adjustments in their living arrangements to gather together. I also saw times when they helped others like them to get promoted over straight soldiers. Now they don’t have to be secretive, and over ten or twenty years our army will be as ineffective as the ancient Greeks and Romans who lost their homelands because their military was more interested in protecting their lovers than their countries. Read Gibbons “Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire”.

    • Bob from Socal

      The next step is the implementation of hate speech in the consideration of homosexuality. It will soon become a problem for many Christians. The Bible states that homosexuality is considered an abomination by God. The statist’s will soon demand that Christians denounce that part of the Bible or suffer penalties or incarceration. Any true Christian would die rather than denounce their faith. The Antichrist system is alive and well on its way to becoming a reality.

      • Kinetic1

        Bob,
        No one is asking you to accept homosexuality any more than they ask you to accept the equality of Blacks. If you want to go around telling your friends that Gays are an abomination, or that blacks are mentally inferior, you may be ostracized by the public at large, but you won’t be jailed. As long as you refrain from calling for others who share your beliefs to join you in violently ridding the world of gays, you’ll be fine. If we, as a nation were going to incarcerate people who used offensive speech, then the Westboro Baptist Church would have been shut down years ago.

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          we’re talking about the military here not civilian life. BIG difference. You can count on there being charges of hate speech and discrimination agains anyone who speaks out.

        • http://naver sook young

          Sorry, but what do the African Americans have to do with the article at hand? I guess that the liberals must really like using race to forward their objectives. Thank you.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai

          • Kinetic1

            Sook Young,
            The arguments against gays serving, and the bias against gays in general is very much like integration of blacks in the military. Take a look at the news of the day and you’ll find writer after writer speaking of the mental and social inferiority of blacks and the devastation that would be caused by allowing them to serve alongside whites. That is what blacks have to do with this conversation.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            kenetic,
            the comparison is like apples and oranges. blacks are born black! Gays are NOT!!! No proof to the opposite exhists! there has never been a “gay” gene found!!!

          • http://naver sook young

            That’s true, Joe H. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Jackson

            No gay gene has been found? Seriously? You think people choose to be gay? Gee JoeH… did wake up this morning and decide to be straight? People are born gay they don’t decide to be gay just to piss you off or offend your religious beliefs. If you bothered to have an open mind you’d find that homosexuality occurs in the animal world too. You don’t need a special gene to be gay anymore than you need a special gene to be narrow minded and intolerant.

          • http://naver sook young

            Sorry Jackson, but it hasn’t been proven that being gay is a product of DNA. If it were, why would it say:

            “If a man lieth with another man, as he would with a woman, let him die the death. Likewise, if a woman lieth with another woman, as she would do with a man, let her die the death.”

            Why would God say that anyone who practices such things are not welcome in Heaven, if it was due to DNA? Don’t you think God knows what is a choice and what is something you can’t control? Cite some sources on this matter, but they better be ones from the New England Journal of Medicine, JAMA (Journal of the American Medical Association), or some other offical, fact supported report. To say the homosexuality is DNA linked or a psychological condition is absurd and so is the person telling such lies to support their immoral lifestyle. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

            Stop bringing up the animal arguement. People and animals are different. If you can’t come up with some factual information, then please try to study something before comming here and wasting our time.

          • Jackson
          • http://naver sook young

            I have read what you posted, but I’m sorry to say that it is factually unsound. First, they talk more about the psychological effects of being gay not not DNA. DNA deals with the physical make up of the human body, thus having nothing to do about how we feel or think. Second, being gay is a choice. No one is born gay. If they were, why would it say it’s wrong in the Bible? Why was Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed by God because of actions like the ones we are talking about? This is just a blatant attempt to try to make gays look like victims and nothing else. The report is nothing more than theories. A theory is something that hasn’t been proven yet. If it were, it would be called a scientific fact. Sorry, but to a nurse with a MSN and 20 years of experience this report doesn’t stand up to proven facts. Homosexuality has never been proven to be a psychological problem nor has it been proven to be genetically passed down from generation to generation. Sorry, but you just lost the debate, care to go again? Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

            P.S. Merry Christmas to everyone here and I’ll be praying for Curtis, Jackson, and other liberals on this site tht they may, one day, see the light and acknowlegde the errors of their ways.

    • Bill

      I give it , at the most,ten years before the military is destroyed. The US will not be capable of rebuilding military morale/competency while competing with growing terrorist threats from hostile countries.

      Oorah!

  • eddie47d

    Always be proud that you live in America where all men (and Women) are equal with certain inalienable rights. DADT helps achieve that goal of a better nation and where no one is attacked or humiliated because of sexual orientation. The enemy in America is the non-accepting citizen who want to control others by taking away those rights. If gays are lawful in society or in the military then there shouldn’t be any problems and should be treated no differently than you or me. If some look at this as a special law then those folks should have been more understanding of the issue and more accepting to begin with. Merry Christmas and pray hard for an even better nation.

    • M

      Oh please, what a load of crap! Do you see straight people running around flaunting that they’re straight?? There was absolutely no need whatsoever for this whole over-the-top production that has been the repeal of DADT. Who gives a flip if you’re gay or not? Why do gays need to constantly scream to the world that they’re gay, throw it in everyone’s face, and go through life acting like they are the only important ones in the world? Spare everyone please. You are gay. Whatever! Then be gay, but shut up about it. You like to do it with the same sex, you’re self absorbed, you’re narcissistic – we get it. Now, shut the hell up! This is why the world is starting to detest gays. You think it’s all about you. Get over yourselves.

      • Kinetic1

        M,
        Yes M, I see “straights” showing off their sexuality every day! They are on billboards and TV, they “make out” in public with no concern for others. There are, indeed a number of Gays who like to flaunt their sexuality as well and I for one find it offensive, just as I find the people on “Jersey Shores” offensive. Are you really telling me that “the Situation” is not flaunting his sexuality? Your argument fails to acknowledge that their are tens of thousands of gays and lesbians who are no more obvious than you and I. At most they may hold hands in public. To lump all homosexuals in with the small group that is marching in a gay pride parades is no better than to suggest that all heterosexuals hang out at the Playboy mansion.

        • M

          LOL!! For the record, I have never watched Jersey Shore. That type of “entertainment” does not interest me. But, I see your point.

          • Kinetic1

            Who said I watch it? I can’t turn on the TV without someone talking about “Snookie” or “the Situation.” I fear for a nation that finds this trash entertaining.

        • Curtis

          Brilliant analogy about heterosexuals and the Playboy Mansion and I totally agree with your stance on The Jersey Shore.

          • Nate

            And don’t forget about the multi-billion dollar heterosexual porn industry and all the stuff that goes with it.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        They have to flaunt it. They know they’re perverts and secretly ashamed of it. so they bury the guilt by trying to convince everyone else their behavior is normal. Works on the libs; those saps will fall for anything.

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        They have to flaunt it. They know they’re perverts and secretly ashamed of it. So they bury the guilt by trying to convince everyone else their behavior is normal. Works on the libs; those saps will fall for anything…

        • Nate

          I know what you mean about flaunting. Look at all the crap that you flaunt on here.

    • Teresa

      eddie, let me explain this to where you might understand. This law was nothing to do w/strengthing our military or our morals of our nation. It was a mere political game for our President and nothing more. I am saddened that so many of you can’t see that. I find it sad that OUR military can be forced to burn bibles and not allowed to speak freely and openly of certain religions in nations while the same people we are protecting are here on our soil spitting in our face and OUR congress is so worried of being “politically correct” that they will not mention words such as terrorist or jihad or profiling while our very rights are being taken away. It is NOT the military that you or others seem so hard and determined to protect, it is the gays rights. Their mentality stands for a lot and for you or congress to stand there and change Their law is wrong plain and simple. Gays have served in the military well, but to push to such an extent to be openly gay….WILL jeopardize men of combat, and if you can not see that then you do have a problem for when we as a nation loose our morals what are we fighting for? eddie, there are 2 things in life that are certain besides life and death…that’s right and wrong…there is no straddling the fence. Right or Wrong!

      • eddie47d

        You don’t have to explain your arrogance to me and You are wrong plain and simple. Be a true American and accept all citizens as equal or maybe you have the problem. You are too busy picking and choosing who is good and who is bad. You sound like a Santa Claus story.Societies that out people or treat them differently usually fail in time. Giving anyone equal rights should be a given in America. Not like some of you folks who always want to take away those rights.

        • Teresa

          eddie, you speak to me of equal rights…it would be different if this was actually the case but I’m sorry its not. This is nothing BUT a political move and you should know that. When you force an agenda upon someone That is what it is. I am by no means any better than anyone else and WE ALL will stand judgement but once you start imposing openly gay in the military you are asking for trouble especially in combat especially in war time!
          And Kinetic, do I love everyone the same yes I do….does the bible teach me to say it’s ok to be gay??? NO, it teaches me to tell others it’s against Gods will and to impose that upon others by force IS AGAINST GODS WILL. Does this weaken our military, in my opinion it does for its going to cause too many problems in the name of “political correctness” for that is what this nation has become! A NATION OF TOLERENCE! The bibles, we watched muslims burn bibles while the world cried in fear over the threat of one man threatening to burn a Quarn….you tell me where we have gone wrong, I would have set it aflame for it is false witness to everyone and blasphmy to anyone who reads it!

          • http://naver samurai

            “Tolerance is the final virtue of a dying society.” Aristotle.
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Kinetic1

        Teresa,
        I have just two questions for you.

        1) Why do you oppose the repeal of one military law (DADT), but condemn the enforcement of another?Central Command General Order No. 1 specifically forbids “proselytizing of any faith, religion or practice” by members of our military? The Bibles you spoke of were printed in Pashto and Dari, the predominant languages in that particular region. Clearly they were meant to be used to convert locals to Christianity in violation of GO1. The military does not stop individual soldiers from being Christian or force them to burn their personal Bibles.

        2) Why is your “Right and Wrong” more important than mine? We both share the same fundamental law; “Love your neighbor as yourself “. I believe that this requires tolerance of others, so long as their actions do no harm. This policy allows most gays to live in peace while accepting your right to speak out. You, on the other hand want our government to enforce your narrow religious views, regardless of the opinions of the majority of Americans. Where do we draw the line?

        • http://naver samurai

          You’re wrong about the religious part in our military. If this were true, then the chaplains would be out of work. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Kinetic1

            Samurai,
            Chaplains are there for the religious needs of our soldiers. They are not there to proselytize among the citizens. This link will take you too the document. Proselytizing is listed as item p under the heading of prohibited activities. This document also outlines the rules of behavior that will prohibit Gays from “running wild” post DADT.

            http://img.slate.com/media/1/123125/123073/2133676/2150683/GO%201%201%20NOV%2005.pdf

          • http://naver samurai

            OK Kinetic, I read the thing. I guess I’ll agree with you on this one.
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            samurai,
            the government is guilty of picking and chosing what they want to enforce on this. There are embedded reporters that travel with the units that routienly take pictures of our wounded and dead troops! How can kenetic guarantee that the government won’t do that with gays that proposition???

          • http://naver samurai

            As always, good posting, fellow patriot! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Nate

            DADT would work perfectly on you. We won’t ASK for your opinion and you don’t have to TELL us either.

    • S.C.Murf

      in one of your earlier posts YOU said there is no God and NO Jesus but now YOU put Christ in Christmas, what a bigot you are. Go crawl back between the sheets with your man-friend and stay off the computer. Oh by the way fast eddie who’s turn is it to be the guy, yours or his ?

      • S.C.Murf

        Oh by the way fast eddie, make that popping sound

        up the hill
        airborne

      • eddie47d

        What a shame Murf; You are a liar at it’s finest and you are the one who should be driven off your computer or to hell for that matter. I never once said I didn’t believe in God or Jesus and I have said the exact opposite. You are a pathetic shallow person or should we be calling you a shallow pathetic lying snake;for that would be more appropriate. Nice of you to give the airborne a bad name for you certainly can’t be trusted in what you say!

        • S.C.Murf

          As much as you flip flop back and forth in what you rant about fast eddie, one can only wonder if your name is even eddie or you are just hiding behind another falsehood. And I’d advise you to leave the Screaming Eagles (or the 82nd airborne) out of your rants because these are real men, something you know nothing about!

          • Nate

            Eddie is correct. You are totally pathetic.
            By the way, does the S.C. in your name stand for S*ck C*ck?

        • eddie47d

          You are still loony Murf. So leave the airborne out of your comments then;if you want to lie about someone then be willing to back it up or back off. Then I might consider you to be a “real man”.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            eddie,
            I’d be real careful about begging a man from the 82nd to “back it up”! you might not like what happens to your bones!!!

          • http://naver samurai

            Joe H., edduh does like bones. (offensive words removed)FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • FRANK ZAPPA

      Hey Eddie47d, What kind of CRACK are you on? First of all Deviant behavior is not an “Inalienable Right” the other part YOU FORGOT was THE Endowment by Their Creator part. So IF you quote something do it correctly. Clearly “Government” has decided that they know best, by allowing Queers to serve openly. What you don’t get is that IF Government gives you something they certainly can take it away. While OUR Government thinks they are GOD, they are in fact NOT, so this IS NOT A “RIGHT” Given to us by GOD, SO AS USUAL YOU ARE MISTAKEN.

      Moving on: Perversion of anything is NOT a Constitutional Right. IF YOU STUDY anything at all Study The Old Testament, it IS VERY CLEAR That HOMOSEXUALITY IS PERVERSION. THE NEW TESTAMENT TELLS US THE VERY SAME THING. BEING A HOMOSEXUAL IS A CHOICE IT’S NOT A DISEASE, IT IS A LIFESTYLE, SURROUNDED BY A PERVERSE SPIRIT, AND IN THESE LAST DAYS PERVERSION WILL CONTINUE TO GET WORSE, UNTIL OUR NATION FALLS, YOU SAY IT CAN’T HAPPEN HERE, (REALLY) JUST GIVE IT SOME TIME THEN YOU WILL SEE THAT WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN TODAY IS CORRECT. LET ME BE CLEAR THAT THE JUDGMENT OF GOD WILL FALL ON THIS NATION THIS COMING YEAR. FINANCIAL PROBLEMS WILL START SEVERAL MONTHS AFTER THE 2011 NEW YEAR THEN THINGS WILL GET WORSE FROM THERE. Please spare me the line that the Bible has lost it’s translation and that it is no longer relevant, in fact people who make this claim have NEVER SO MUCH A READ THE BIBLE AND WHAT’S MORE THEY CLAIM TO BE SCHOLARS OF SOMETHING THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT, WHAT A JOKE, IN FACT A SAD JOKE BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE ARE DECEIVED.
      LET ME MAKE THE SAME POINT I MADE IN AN EARLIER POSTING AND THAT IS THAT BEING A QUEER WHEN THIS NATION WAS IN IT’S INFANCY GOT YOU THE BOOT A COURT MARSHAL, A DISHONORABLE DISCHARGE, AND SOMETIMES KILLED BY SOMEONE.

      WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY BABY, WE ARE NOW TRULY LIVING IN “THE ENLIGHTENED ERA” OF MODERN MAN. WHAT A DEAL!!

      I AGREE WITH ANOTHER GUY THAT MADE A POSTING AND OBSERVATION THAT BETWEEN THE QUEERS IN OUR MILITARY AND THE QUEER MUSLIMS MAYBE, WE CAN STOP ALL THE FIGHTING AND HAVE BOTH SIDES GO OUT ON DATES TOGETHER AND BUT BANG EACH OTHER. PLEASE DON’T TELL ME THEY ARE STRAIGHT, WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY DO DURING RAMADAN? FAST AND PRAY? I DOUBT IT. MY FAMILY MEMBERS ARE WELL CONNECTED IN TERMS OF WHAT THE CRAZY’S DO DURING THIS SO CALLED “HOLY CELEBRATION.”

    • Bill

      You are so far off base here, everyone already has equal protection under the constitution. You homosexuals want to be identified as being a special class of people, with specific protections from the law because of you sexual perversions. Then, because you are incapable of reproduction, you recruit our children,or molest them to further your lifeline in this social plague. You will not be content until this pathological lifestyle has been accepted by society. Sorry, but this is delusional thinking.But let’s play devils advocate here for a minute.Lets assume that I am wrong and your efforts pay off and society succumbs, there is one level of acceptance that you so desire ,but will never achieve. The Homosexual community will never gain acceptance of this lifestyle by our Creator.

  • Dean

    There is no saving this government. Everything they do is an affront to decency and contrary to the will of God. They don’t represent me in any way and I’m tired of pretending they do. They have brought about their own demise and I look forward to their day of retribution. They apparently are too inept to read the signals of the true majority and will pay dearly for their stupidity!

    • Kinetic1

      Dean,
      I am amazed by those who consider their minority to be “the TRUE Majority.” Is it so hard to face the truth?

      • Dean

        If you think the majority of the people in the military, or in this country are homos, you’re crazy! I know what would have happened to a homo in our ranks when I was in the military and I don’t think things have changed that much! We’ll see how well this goes over, and won’t be good for the homos!

        • Kinetic1

          Dean,
          I know that gays account for less than 5% of the population, but that is why I am amazed by the fear they instill. Do you or anyone else here really think that the country will be irreversibly damaged by 5% of the population? I would be surprised if even 25% of that 5% was all that politically active!

          • http://gunner689 gunner689

            it’s not fear; it’s revoltion.

          • Bill

            And that my friend is the kind of thinking they are banking on. Ideology like that just make it easier for them to spread their plague

  • Anti Government

    The sky is falling, the sky is falling! I am glad the policy has been abolished. All this does is to protect someone from being fired for who they are. If these gay’s are doing their job why should they be fired? There now will be no more of the practice to join the army and be trained and then say you are gay and are able to get out of the military. This thought that America will now go the way of the Roman Empire because of gay’s is crap. The Romans did as we are doing and that is over extending their military adventures. No one wants to pay for this military expansion. What did W do when we went to war was to cut tax’s especially on his wealthy class. The wars have been fought with out sacrifice! There was no draft and no equal sharing of burden, there was no sacrifice. If a war is worth fighting it is worth sacrifice. What destroyed Rome and will us is greed.

    • FRANK ZAPPA

      YOU ARE A MORON AND AN ASS. HOW OLD ARE YOU 12? DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT?

    • http://naver samurai

      “As goes the family, so goes the Empire.” Augustus Ceasar. Just another way of breaking down the morality we were founded on. One day, I hope it’s soon, Jesus will walk up behind you and slap you on the back of your head. When you turn around to see him, don’t be too surprised when he tells to to nake that popping noise with a quickness. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Bill

      Too funny.

      wake up and realize this is just the tip of the iceberg. If you want to see what happens when a state legalized same sex marriage, and the consequences they are paying for it.The homosexuals opened the floodgates of perversion, transgenderism, pedophilia,wanting to lower the age of consent to have sex with children, Check out website. http://www.massresistance.org/

      • Nate

        Geez, you focus on a lot of twisted stuff. Don’t have enough going on in your own life to think about?

  • patrick

    lets be realistic this is manipulation move dems dont have a voter base anymore obama is so useless that the banking an corporatuions that rigg our system are dupmin him its a trick dems cant get their base into action an now theyre jerkin around the gay /lesbian ppl to keeo voters theyre partys imploding now an the repubs are goin the same way but i diggress they need a i9ndiot class to jerk around to stop real social revolution thats now become the majority of americans all ill say go for it gay ppl fall for it be patsys its your fault when you get burned like the fake civil rights movement after it was couped away from mlk your patsys gay ppl sorry i pity you so badly

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    And of course this is not in America’s best interest, but rather just a payoff to one of the special interest groups which got BHO and his democraps elected!! As we’ve read elsewhere on this site about DADT: “The policy has allowed gays and lesbians to serve, but only if they were silent about their sexual orientation.” And that’s the way it ought to be!! What’s wrong with being silent?? If homosexual military personnel want to (when off duty, off base, and privately) go to gay bars or clubs, that’s their business. On the other hand, my biggest beef about the LGBT movement is when it tries to force its agenda and lifestyles on everyone else. Nearly 3 decades ago, when I worked in a large CPA firm on Park Avenue in NYC, I had a male colleague who was constantly ogling and flirting with other males in the office. His behavior, in today’s era, could be considered sexual harassment. Likewise, I’ve heard at least one talk radio caller recently say that he was serving in the military, and complaining that another male in the service was behaving like my former colleague, and annoying him. This is where we need to draw the line. Homosexuals who behave like this should be disciplined, up to and including discharge if needed. Furthermore, just think of ‘common sense’. E.g., a few months ago we heard of a patron assaulted in the men’s room of a famous gay bar in Greenwich Village. I don’t condone that type of violence. IMO these bigoted attackers (from Brooklyn) shouldn’t even have been in the Village, as it is known as a gay community. But I also sometimes see men holding hands in other areas of Manhattan, and on the subways, exiting in rough areas of Brooklyn. They’re looking for trouble!! If LGBT people would just use common sense and proper etiquette, mind their own business and keep their ways to themselves, most acts of homophobia and so-called ‘hate crimes’could be prevented. And likewise, they wouldn’t have to fear the DADT policy, which IMO should be kept in law to keep military personnel in line.

    • Kinetic1

      Earl,
      “If homosexual military personnel want to (when off duty, off base, and privately) go to gay bars or clubs, that’s their business.” You mad the point yourself. DADT did NOT allow for anything of the sort. Off duty or not, if you were seen frequenting a gay bar, or holding hands with another man off base, that’s “telling” and would start an investigation. This repeal is not an open invitation to barracks orgies, but an admission that a gays’ personal life is “their business” as long as they observe military code of conduct and serve well.

      • http://naver samurai

        Just remember that sodomy is punishable under the UCMJ. On or off of duty is irrelevent. Ergo, they can’t try to do any knid of sexual activity while wearing the uniform. Let’s see how mant more courts martial there are within the next year or two. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Nate

          Sodomy is done by both men and woman you moron. I thought, since you like to use moron quite often, it’s a word you might actually understand.

        • Nate

          By the way, the ‘For God And Country’ coming from you rings the most hollow I have ever seen in my life.

  • Joe_K

    From the above article: Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) praised the Senate’s historic vote to eliminate the 17-year-old policy.

    “It is a galvanizing victory for individual civil rights in our country, grounded in enduring American values,”

    You gotta wonder, what planet is Patrick Leahy from? San Francisco, home of flowers in your hair, doesn’t count. It may seem like a separate planet, but it is not a planet.

  • Raggs

    I still think that our military is finished with the exception of gays and illegals holding a rifle.
    The straight people will be punished for violating the so-called rights of a minority will they protect themselves from someones lustfull eyes and groping hands.

    • Joe_K

      I think you are right. I’ll go even farther: I predict that in no time at all, homosexuals will be in the news as medal of valor winners, purple heart winners, and I expect some big, huge news story about the heroism of some gay medal of honor winner. What those medals stand for (or are supposed to stand for) has little to do with handing out political candy in the name of wonderful diversity and tolerance.

      Remember amendment 2 in Colorado a few years back? It was supposed to grant “affirmative action” rights to gays and lesbians. Translation: People would be hired or promoted on the basis of how they achieve orgasm, rather than on whether or not they worth a tinkers damn on the job. Nothing knew about that concept, it just hasn’t been made a part of the gay and lesbian law suit portfolio as yet. But, it will be. When that happens, I wouldn’t be surprised to see people claiming they are gay just to get their job applications looked at. I guess that may depend on how hungry their kids are.

      • Raggs

        Joe..

        I think your correct..

        The government has forced us as a people to accept a philosophy that is totally imoral based on some grand sceem of what an idiot calls a “right” of freedom to a minority of / for the people.
        This is exactly where this nation has gone far and behond the principals of the sole rights or the individual rights of a person.
        In other words if a fag wants to do something the government will back that up.
        If and I say that as if yes obama wants queers ( he does ) he than has the right to force that on me, but at the same time God wil destroy him for this!

  • Joe_K

    “Grounded in enduring American values”? What a line of crap. Leahys value system seems to be firmly grounded in communist philosophy, wherein the state wants every one (IE the people) to see themselves as some kind of victim of someone else’s evil, in order to gain power by being the white horse hero that rides in and sets the world right.

    Question: can any one out there name a single thing that liberals have set right, and back it up with facts AND provide a credible source of those facts?

    Personally, I doubt it. Liberals, whatever their person heartfelt cause, generally have about as much use for facts as vampires have for holy water and crucifixes.

    • Kinetic1

      Joe_K
      “Question: can any one out there name a single thing that liberals have set right, and back it up with facts AND provide a credible source of those facts?”

      Answer: That depends on whether or not you consider Christ to have been “Liberal”.

      As for your assertions regarding Liberals and truth, may I point out the other sides failings as well? Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheaney, Jeff Ganon (oooh, gay AND a conservative lier!) Truth is not the exclusive property of any one group.

      • Joe_k

        Well, lets just think about that a minute.

        Liberals, pro abortion. Was Christ?
        Liberals, pro homosexual. Was Christ?
        Liberals, punish people for success. Did Christ?
        Liberals, Dictate social policy. Did Christ?
        Liberals, people come second to animal rights. Would Christ support that?
        Liberals, pro same sex marriage. Was Christ?

        Christ, work with your own hands that you might have to give to him that has need. Sound like a liberal to you?

        Christ, if any man should take away your coat, give to him your cloak also. Liberals, law suit, law suit, laws suit, take, take, take. Sound like the same thing to you?

        Christ: Why call ye me Lord, Lord, and do not the things that I say? Liberals: Do what we say, or suffer the consequences.

        Christ: If any offend one of these little ones, it were better for him that a milestone were tied about his neck and that he be cast into the sea. Liberals, the North American Man/Boy Love Association. Also, can a young woman in your state who is to young to enter a contract, vote, live on her own, drink, smoke (younger than 18) have sex with who ever she wants when she wants at the age of 16, or less and if she gets pregnant, seek help for an abortion at her public school, without her parents consent? Thank you liberals.

        Christ: So unto others as you would have them do unto you. Liberals: If you want my respect, you have to earn it (IE, be someone I like)

        Christ: What think ye?

        Liberals: How do you feel about this?

        Christ: All things work together for good to them that love God. Liberals: Bigger government and less freedom for individuals is good for the people.

        This is all just off the top of my head at the spur of the moment. Trust me, you wouldn’t want to get into a real discussion with me on this subject if you are a liberal, you are unarmed.

        I remember the old liberal line (lie) that Communism, or Socialism are morally equivalent with first century Christianity where each gave as he had means to those who had need. It is true, they did, and it might surprise you to know that Christians do still do that. Look around at the hospitals, how many carry Christian names? How many carry Muslim, Hindu or Buddhist names? It is a long, long jump from giving as you have means (liberals do this, too, the just use other peoples money to do it, not their own) to Karl Marx’s idea of government coercion “From each according to his ability (who decides what anothers’ abilities are… to a liberal, the government) to each according to his needs. (and who decides what people need according to liberals? The government, or what every politically correct action comity you can use to force your will on others.

        I know, there is that fairy tale (pardon the pun) out there that Christ was gay. Heard it, it’s bunk, just another liberal lie.

        No, I do not think Christ hated gay people any more than he would hate me. He gave his life on the cross for me. He did the same for gay people. The difference between me and them is that I know I am a sinner lost without Christ and they believe that I owe it to them to celebrate their sin. I know that Christ can hold me accountable, and a liberal, even if he claims to believe in Christ, does not really believe that even Christ will hold him (or her) accountable.

        • smithington

          AMEN!!!

        • http://naver sook young

          I second that AMEN! Thank you.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai

          • Nate

            Your name doesn’t sound American at all. If you can’t show respect to those who were born here, which include millions of gay people, then maybe you don’t deserve to live in America. Please show us that you actually have some dignity to show for all people. Be the kind of person everyone can respect, instead of being someone we’re perplexed by.

            Thank you.

        • Kinetic1

          Joe_k
          “Liberals, pro abortion” Christ would not condone abortion, but it is a fallacy that liberals are “pro” abortion. Liberals may accept abortion as a women’s right to choose, but no one I know likes abortion.

          “Liberals, pro homosexual.” Again, the term “pro” suggests that we want homosexuality. A better question would be was Christ tolerant of homosexuals? I would say we split the line here.

          “Liberals, punish people for success.” Liberals do not “punish” people for financial success, (which is, of course how you are equating “success”) nor do they hate them for it. What Liberals ask is that the wealthy recognize the value of the our nation and the work others have done to help them reach their goals, and to show compassion for those who are unable to live beyond poverty. Did Christ? Well, “…I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” Sounds like he wanted the wealthy to give.

          “Liberals, Dictate social policy. Did Christ?” You ask me to accept a nation of laws based on the teachings of the Bible, and then you ask me if Christ dictated social policy?

          “Liberals, people come second to animal rights. Would Christ support that?” This is a matter of opinion. In most cases where the survival of a species is put before the wants of man, IMHO man is being selfish. I don’t recall the last time people died because a species was saved. A business or industry may have suffered, but that’s another story. Man has been given the unique ability to analyze and learn from experience. Using this ability, we have seen the domino effect that can occur when a species or ecosystem is allowed to fail. As stewards of the earth, it is our responsibility to protect it, and at times that requires putting aside our own desires for the health of our world. Besides, wasn’t Noah, in a sense told to put the animals before man?

          “Liberals, pro same sex marriage. Was Christ?” Where does it say that he was not?

          “Christ, work with your own hands that you might have to give to him that has need. Sound like a liberal to you?” I have almost always earned my living with my hands, and gave to those in need. I’m liberal.

          “Christ, if any man should take away your coat, give to him your cloak also. Liberals, law suit, law suit, laws suit, take, take, take. Sound like the same thing to you?” All most of the conservatives on this site do is complain about all that is taken from them and how they hate those who do not work for their own. Do you think that fits Christ’s words?

          “Christ: Why call ye me Lord, Lord, and do not the things that I say? Liberals: Do what we say, or suffer the consequences.” Give me a break.

          “Christ: If any offend one of these little ones, it were better for him that a milestone were tied about his neck and that he be cast into the sea. Liberals, the North American Man/Boy Love Association.” Really? You think Liberals approve of NAMBLA? This may be your worst biblical argument of all, and the last I’ll waste time with. It’s very clear that this came “off the top of your head” as there was little thought put into it. It seems your grand self image has gotten the best of you. Christ might not have been an extreme Liberal, but neither was he among the hate spewing conservatives I see in this blog.

          So, in the end you believe ” a liberal, even if he claims to believe in Christ, does not really believe that even Christ will hold him (or her) accountable.” Good for you. I guess you are above us all since you can see into our hearts and minds and pass judgment on us. I’m certain that Christ will step aside so that you can take your rightful place beside GOD. Until then, consider the sin of self riotousness and pride. As for me, I will continue to recognize that neither liberals or conservatives have the corner on riotousness or sin. The best we can do is strive to follow the teachings as we best understand them. We are fortunate to live in a time and place where each of use can read and discuss those teachings, rather than simply depending on religious leaders to tell us right from wrong.

          • Joe_K

            Kinetic1

            ““Liberals, pro homosexual.” Again, the term “pro” suggests that we want homosexuality. A better question would be was Christ tolerant of homosexuals? I would say we split the line here.”

            Do you seriously expect an intelligent person to believe that liberals do not want homosexuality after the 40 years of indoctrinational lies and blatant activism we have seen” You have GOT to be kidding me. LOL.

            You split that line if you want to, it is, after all, a liberal thing to do. Know this, if you think Christ would waiver on that issue, you know nothing of Christ. His was not to condemn, but to save. But even Christ cannot and will not and is not able to save someone bent on his own eternal destruction. God created man and woman for a reason. Any one who thinks his own morality is superior to Him that created us in his own image, and insists on the right to pervert that image, to teach others to do so, to force that perversion on whole peoples, has greater and bigger things to worry about than what I think of him, or her.

            Don’t believe it? Oh well. Your life, like mine, is a vapor that appears for a while and then vanishes away. We are all going to be what we are going to be. It is appointed once for a man to die, after this, the judgment. But, if you are that sure of yourself, that you can mock Christ and assign to him such moral attributes, that will be between you, and Him.

            Liberals are not pro abortion? They are just for a woman’s right to choose? Tell me, when an abortion is done, does something die? Is that something the woman? Is that something animal, mineral, vegetable, or human? Furthermore, every time a woman gets an abortion, she must live with it the rest of her life and a man, whether he pays for it or not, walks away from responsibility. Do you believe this country needs any more irresponsible men than we already have?

            As for the rest of what you had to say, I have already been to lengthy on this forum, I think I better not reply to all of that liberal claim to moral superiority

          • Joe_K

            There is one more thing, Kinetic1:

            It is not necessary to see into your heart or your mind. Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. Your own words define you, not some ‘magical’ power that I have. Nice try, though, but predictable. Any time a liberal cannot win an argument on the basis the merits of their stand, assault the character of the person who will not submit. To do that, assign to that person anything that will make him or her look ridiculous. The problem with that, however, is that the only mind influenced by that tactic is the liberal one that is not influenced by anything contrary to their personal assumptions.

          • Joe_K

            LOL…. the old hate monger speech. One of the truest, surest signs of a liberal mind is the propensity to accuse others of hatred, while they themselves play the victim and make all kinds of accusations and demeaning comments. To a liberal of today, any one who stands up for himself against their yada, yada, yada, is a racist or a hate monger. Liberals cannot even grasp that not only are they miles off base concerning reality, they are as predictable as gravity.

          • Kinetic1

            Joe_k,
            So you’ll stop at the first two points, huh? Homosexuality and abortion are, indeed two of the biggest issues dividing Christians today, and it makes sense that you would defend your position. There is little doubt that you have many supporters here. But to stop short of your weaker arguments in favor of assaulting my morality and intelligence again, that says volumes.

            Simply put, your assertion that “…a liberal, even if he claims to believe in Christ, does not really believe that even Christ will hold him (or her) accountable.” suggests a personal view of moral superiority. Assigning you failings to your opponent may seem like a good tactic, but I’m not buying it. And to disagree with me is not an automatic sign of “hate” and I would never suggest that is the case, but this site regularly plays host to people who suggest things like picking off gays with a rifle. That sort of talk can not be defined as anything else.

          • http://naver samurai

            Sorry, but you are wrong on freedon of choice and free will. The liberals have taken what God has told us and have warped, twisted, and perverted the doctrine of free will and freedom of choice to fulfill their agenda. Free Will given to us by God: “Do you believe in God and serve him, yes or no?” That’s the free will given to us by God and nothing else. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • FireFly

            “The best we can do is strive to follow the teachings as we best understand them” Well, that is true up to a point, but if we truly seek God we will find Him. Jesus said, “no one who turns to me will I ever turn away” He also told his disciples when they clamored to know when the world would end or what the signs would be, he told them that “it will be as it was in Sodom and Gomorrah” (not just flamboyant homosexuality but greed and avarice on a scale seldom seen). He also told that it would be caused by so many “stars” (the generic term back then that covered meteorites, asteroids, and comets) striking the earth that it would be like figs coming down off a fig tree in a storm. The Bible that Jesus read was the Old Testament and in it God did forbid the sacrificing of babies on the altar of Baal. Today we sacrifice them on the altar of Hedonism. God is a loving God and He hates no one, but He does hate sin which will ultimately destroy the sinner. Hell was never created for humans but for the intellectually superior angels who chose to revolt in a hopeless quest to take over heaven. Another important factor and group that is seldom mentioned is those who are chastised and threatened more than homosexuals and that is ex-homosexuals, those 200,000 gays and lesbians who did not want to be that way and through the dynamic power or Christ were healed. Some of their stories are amazing. What God can do for one he can do for another. It has been many years since I have done any reading on this topic but what I remember was fascinating. My suggestion – seek Jesus with all your heart. A good 106 page easy to read book that is funny and amazing is PRISON TO PRAISE a classic paperback my Chaplain Merlin Carothers. It doesn’t go into homosexuality but it tells how he, a soldier and a con man “extraodinaire” discoverd what most first century Christians knew, when they were filled with the Holy Spirit as in Chapter Two of the book of Acts. It has action, humor, and shows the power of God in a practical way from WWII up till Vietnam – all in 106 pages. It’s available in 50 languages. If anyone who is gay is reading this and doesn’t want to be I know of no other way of being changed than letting Jesus Christ change you. It may be instantaneous or it may take time. I’m just telling you that my God works miracles and that He loves all who are reading this. “Seek me with all your heart,” He said once, “and I will give you the desires of your heart.” If you are content the way you are and just want to prove you are right and nature and the world are wrong, well that will be between you and God. No words of mine will change you, but seek God like Carothers did and if you find Him you will be amazed. Faith is wonderful but there can come a time when it is no longer necessary to believe because you will know, and there is great peace in that, the peace that the world can neither give nor take away, and you will be thankful every day of the rest of your life. The same is true for those who are not gays and lesbians. The Bible says “God is no respecter of persons” so all are important to him. May He bless all who read this.

      • Joe_k

        Kinetic1

        P.S.

        Christ: “Render therefore unto God the things that are Gods, and unto Ceasar (government) the things that are Ceasars.

        Liberals: Uh…. What God?

      • Joe_k

        Kinetic1

        P.S. #2

        You say “Truth is not the exclusive property of any one group.” That is, of course, a “liberal” thing to say. To a liberal, truth is “relative”.

        Christ said “Sanctify them in thy truth. Thy word is truth.”

        Christ also said “If you continue in my word (that means read it, study it, remember it, learn it, live it) then you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free”

        Homosexual liberals believe they will eventually be set free through activism and government coercion (Coercion is the practice of forcing another party to behave in an involuntary manner (whether through action or inaction) by use of threats, intimidation or some other form of pressure or force. Such actions are used as leverage, to force the victim to act in the desired way. [source 1="wikipedia" language=","][/source]

        The fact is, no man is ever free of what he is, unless he be free in Christ. That is not a ‘relative’ truth. It is THE truth. Forcing others to accept them openly will not give them peace of mind when they reflect on their own spiritual condition. It will only cause more chaos in our society, as did Roe V. Wade, which did not close the abortion issue, but ultimately divided the country and continues to do so. So will all gay rights issues, in perpetuity, so long as the country survives. The question is, how much moral chaos can we survive before we have destroyed the foundations of freedom?

        • Kinetic1

          Joe_k,
          Your “Truth” is based on an interpretation of the Bible, of which there are many. To compound this issue is the fact that the Bible has been altered and corrupted by man through the centuries. Even Christians of different sects can’t agree on everything Christ was purported to have said and done. It is for this reason, and this reason alone that I question the validity of your “truth” as opposed to that of a Buddhist, a Jew or a follower of almost any of the other major religions.

          • Joe_K

            Kinetic1

            “Your “Truth” is based on an interpretation of the Bible, of which there are many.”

            First, it is not “My” truth. I did not write it, think it, dream it up or imagine it.. Yes, there are many who believe it is all in how you interpret the Bible. Funny, every one who believes that also believes that a “Stop” sign says “Stop”, a “Women” sign on a bathroom door means men are not allowed. We all agree that green is green, red is red, purple is purple and so on. We all believe there are the same number of ounces in a pound, that a meter, measured by a tape measure made in America, England, China, Korea is exactly the same length. We all believe in the validity of a written contract and agree with one another concerning it’s stipulations before we sigh it (unless we didn’t really bother to read it). All around you is evidence that people can agree on just about anything, given an OBJECTIVE standard.

            But, when it comes to the Bible, the objective standard of God concerning the condition of man, the character of man, the duties of man, the destination of man, the nature of man, then we want to argue it’s all just a matter of opinion. Nest time you need a board cut at 2 ft. 1 1/2 inch or such, do you suppose you will go out and ask for 25oo different opinions on where to cut the board, or will you use a tape measure?

            People can agree on what the Bible teaches, but only if they can first agree that the all encompassing authority over the existence of man is God. It is not Peter, Paul, Apollos, Martin Luther, John Calvin or the Pope. It is Gods word, it should be regarded as such by the individual and while that may not clear up every issue, it would certainly clear up most of the confusion in the world of which God is not the author, man is.

            You also say “To compound this issue is the fact that the Bible has been altered and corrupted by man through the centuries.” To those who have not studied the history of the Bible, the sources from which it’s writings came, how differing translations were done, yes, this is an easy cop out. In other words, prove your statement. Honest study of the historic creation and translation(s) of the Bible will prove you false in your easy assumption. Frankly, you are just repeating what you have heard other people who are ignorant on the subject say.

            The difficulty with accepting the word of God as the unaltered word of God is not that it has been tried and found wanting. It is just easier to make blanket assumptions and let it go at that.

            You also said “Even Christians of different sects can’t agree on everything Christ was purported to have said and done.” On the surface, this may seem like a viable excuse for remaining ignorant of what God may have to say to you, personally , in His word. It is a true statement. But it is not true because the Bible presents the will of God or of Christ that way. It is true because of a lack of respect for the authority of God, even by those who think they have it right. Any one can err. I assure you, I do often. It is also true that it is not possible to continually deceive those who do their own homework. It is ok to learn from others, but ultimately, you can read and understand English. You have the ability to find the truth in the word of God, and there is only one. The Bible is the objective standard of truth. It is a tape measure by which we may measure ourselves. A denomination is a denominate part of something that used to be whole or original. A penny, a nickle, a dime, a quarter, all parts of a dollar. A five, a ten, a twenty dollar bill (ect) is a multiple of that same dollar. But a Dollar is still a dollar. Denominations take favored parts of the Bible and build false teachings on them, or, they add to or take away from the teachings of the Bible and create new denominations.

            Even in the first century, this was a problem for the apostles. But there is absolutely not one single verse in the Bible that can be construed as to mean that Christ is divided. So don’t blame that on him, he isn’t the one who did it.

            You say “I question the validity of your “truth” ” Well, if it were MY truth, you would be wise to do so. If all men and women were that wise, there would be no divisions in the “Christian” world. It is Gods truth. It is not to be tampered with. If you will do the research on the origins of the Bible and how it has been translated, you will see that although some tampering has occurred, most translations are in complete agreement on those things that are relevant to your personal salvation.

            Yes, there are other religions. Jewish, Buddhist, Atheist (that is a religion, too, contrary to claims of atheist that they have no religion), Muslim, Pantheism, and many more. It is said they all lead to the same ultimate destination, they only disagree on minor issues such as God, Christ, the devil, heaven, hell, eternal damnation and salvation. Don’t sweat the small stuff, huh?

          • Kinetic1

            Joe_k,
            I’ll keep this short. The argument that the Bible is the incontrovertible word of God only holds water if you follow all it’s teachings, which few if any modern Christians do. Most Christians pick and choose those parts that seem relevant, agree with their personal beliefs or at least do not interfere with the life they choose to lead. Perhaps you are one of the special few who live a strict biblical life. My study of Biblical history included discussions with my then Lutheran Pastor who studied Greek in order to be able to read the ancient texts. It is with the opinions of my pastor, along with my own study and understanding of the Bible’s history, that I have reached my conclusions. If you believe that the Bible is truly the divine word of God, and that al the teachings held within are without fault, then you must follow those teachings to the best of your ability. If, on the other hand you believe that some sections are no longer relevant, then you put everything into question. In that case, who decides what is right?

          • FireFly

            There is three things that you may not know about that refutes the argument that the Bible has been corrupted. The Jews were required to copy the old testament (the Bible Jesus read) by hand and it was not done in pages but in scrolls. If a single error was made the entire scroll, often a years work had to be scraped. Additionally the Dead Sea Scrolls that contain some dozens of volumes that were hidden about a hundred years before Jesus was born are in essential agreement with what we have today. And to top it all off, though many Christians and Jews don’t accept it because they don’t like the idea that God would do something like that, the entire study of the Bible Codes would be reduced to gibberish (which some atheists insist it is) if things were changed. This reason along gives rise to the reason why the Bible says let all the curses of the Bible be on anyone who adds or subtracts a single letter. IF they did the probability of the Codes would be greatly reduced or not even evident. The study of these codes such as has been done by The Isaac Newton Bible Code Research Society has uncovered many fascinating things about events that happened thousands of years after they were written and some that have not happened yet. The 1996 best seller, THE BIBLE CODE, by Michael Drosnin is a good introduction though he is not a scientist and the INBCRS has done much serious study and have found more than I could put in a dozen comments, even references to the Haitian earthquake earlier in the year. It would take to long to explain but if you are not prejudiced against it you may have a fascinating time learning about one of the most amazing discoveries of our time. Atheists will always hate it because if the codes are mostly correct (they all deal in probability) then the Bible itself must be the same as it was in ancient times. A Christian who believes in Jesus and the Bible doesn’t need this extra proof but skeptics and those who believe as you say you do, may find it a great help. “Seek and ye shall find!”

  • FRANK ZAPPA

    Well there goes the neighborhood after all these years, it seems that the Queers, (Yes I said it, get over it) are in control thanks to a Weak Congress, and Now a Weak Nation, unfortunately we will go the Way of The Roman Empire, Obama Fiddled While the USA Burned. Once upon a time it was considered a crime to be “Gay” now prior Military will leave en mass because they will not serve with the Queers. During the time we as a nation were just getting under way, ANY Queer would have been stripped of his rank and given a DISHONORABLE DISCHARGE. Take a look back in history in case you are wondering. This will cost this nation in JUDGMENT THIS COMING YEAR, OF 2011.

    • Joe_k

      Dear Mr. Zappa

      … I read a quote from you in Discover Magazine once. I believe it went like this:

      “Physicist will tell you that because there is more helium in the universe than any other substance, helium is the basic building block of the universe. But I have noticed that there is a whole lot more stupidity in the universe than helium and have concluded that stupidity is the basic building block of the universe” (might be not be exact, but it was something like that.

      Any way, Mr. Zappa, the Bible states that the heavens (where all that helium is) declare His (God’s) handiwork. I submit to you that our liberal congress, primarily the democrat party, declare the handiwork of stupidity.

      • Anti Government

        The most abundant element in the universe is hydrogen, which makes up about 3/4 of all matter! Helium makes up most of the remaining 25%.

        • Joe_k

          Anti Government

          I knew there was something about that quote that wasn’t quite correct. You are right, I remember that now. Thanks for the heads up.

        • Raggs

          If you apply the brain matter from washington.. You may gain a growth of around .00000000000000000000000000000001.

          • Joe_k

            The unfortunate reality is, it is not really brain matter they are missing. I hate to admit it, but Obama, much as I detest what he is doing to my country, is not stupid. Neither are Harry Ried, Nancy Pelosi or any of that crowd. Their problem is not lack of brain matter. It is a lack of giving a damn about the differences between what is right and what is wrong. The problem is their money grubbing, power hungry megalomaniacal arrogance. They believe in the divine right of kings and queens and that think that is them.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            Joe K.,
            actually with Nancy P-lousy, I do believe it is a lack of bumpy grey matter. No one in their right mind when trying to “fool” the whole country would utter the dumbest of lines like “We’ll have to pass it to see what’s in it!” She HAS to have a lack of smarts!!!

  • garyt65

    I have a feeling that there will be a mass exodus of normal military when this goes into effect. What’s going to happen when AIDS starts spreading around? When I was in Nam we had a lot of tranfusions between sailors because of the lack of plasma bags. If this happens how are the authorities going to justify this?

    • Raggs

      Do you think they care?

      I have to add one thing…

      The only reason “they” are the authority is because we have not stopped that YET.

    • Joe_k

      garyt65

      I don’t know if there will be a “mass exodus” from the service or not. My own council to my son, currently serving, is that he has a family to care for, if he can do that another way, go for it, but until he can do that, better stick with what’s taking care of them now.

      I also know that when I served from 71-78, at my last duty station I was placed in a co-ed barracks, one of the first, I believe, in Georgia. With the explosion of drug use in the army in those years, living there was a lot like living in a combination whore house and opium parlor, which is not the only reason I got out, but it was at the top of the list,

      Our black first sergeant was dating two lower ranking (E4s) white female soldiers, at the same time. I realize the liberal mindset is that I must be a racist bigot if I had a problem with this, but the fact is that the real reason I had a problem with this was that our first sergeant was to stupid to know that what ever he may think is wrong with the attitudes of the men under him, the fact is, he was supposed to be a leader. A real leader of men would know how dishonorable his conduct was. Fraternizing with a female soldier under his authority, even if only one, even if she was also black, was a violation of regulation and common sense as well.

      Our army was not created to be a bastion of social engineering predicated upon the lack or moral understanding of people who have no respect for the moral beliefs of the men and women who make it up.

      “No nation will ever be stronger than the virtues of it’s men” … George Washington. One could fill a volume of encyclopedic size on the failings of the virtues of American men since we triumphed in World War II and do so without ever mentioning homosexuality. The issue of homosexuality in this country, in our army is not our only short coming as a nation of men, not by a long shot. But it is a major league step towards turning our country into a place not fit to live in.

      • Raggs

        My heart goes out to you!

        Most people will never know what that means.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Joe K,
        not only that, in Georgia even during those times, he could have been shot walking down the street with either of them! I was at Benning in 72 and had a friend who happened to have been black. we went into a bar there with a couple of other friends and they refused to serve him. When we all decided to walk out and not order they relented and said he could have ONE beer. We told them to shove their beer somewhere uncomfortable and walked out.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      VA Stats show that 63 % of vets who recieved battlefield transfusions in Nam have Hep C. A lot of the blood supply available was collected by the Red Cross in the Car. Islands. Thank God Aids wasn’t around then; but it sure is now.

  • Raggs

    obama or barry that some would suggest is a pres is in fact a flusher.Well obama as you call yourself the turd stops here!

  • http://com i41

    wahoo edddeee, as a supposedly Indian, you know when men went out with a war party, what few faggot indians were left at camp. These perverts were to stay on the outside of the camp and did what ever the squaws told them to do. Wait till corpsmen show up with AIDS from gathering the pervs remains up. If queers want to be in military, put them and the muslim pervs together, maybe a truck load of illegals every so often, to grese up the cohesiveness of the unit.

  • chuckb

    141

    putting muslims and homo’s together might cause a lot of problems, the muslims would be afraid to kneel down on their rugs.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      the muslims are a group of homos and pedophiles themselves. they should get along well. ” Fags to the Front”

    • oldtimeyman

      And the fags will help them hit high “C”…

  • chuckb

    do you think barry will come out of the closet now, after all he’s the commander & chief.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      chuckb,
      Maybe he DID try to come out and that’s how he got those stitches????

    • Jeremy Leochner

      Chuck I must say I disagree with you on two points. First is it reall necceasry to refer to the president of the United States as Barry. As someone who despised former President Bush I completly understand why you would show little respect for a president you see as incompetent and you should as it is your legal right. That being said I would ask you to please show a sliver of respect for the position in your refrences, it makes your argument sound a little more serious and a little more respectable. The second point I take offense with is your making it out that President Obama is gay because he supports the rights of gay soldiers to serve their country openly. You dont have to be gay to support the civil rights of gay Americans.

      • Bill

        Hey Jeremy,

        Call them as you see them. He is Barry soetorro to me until he proves his citizenship.Can’t believe you still perceive him as president! I never have and never will.I Didn’t drink the kool-aid unlike you.

        • Jeremy Leochner

          Bill: I didnt drink the kool aid. On numerous websites and on various news shows they have presented a certificate of live birth for Barack Hussein Obama as well as a newspaper article mentioning his birth along with the names of his parents. He is a citizen of America so far as I can tell. And so far as I can tell that makes him the president since he won the most electoral and most popular votes. And to put you at ease Bill I am loyal to the republic above all else. All I want is what in my limited interpretation appears to be best for America and at least for now Obama appears to be the best. If that changes I will change my vote but for now I support him and I simply ask if you could please respect the position even if you dont respect the man. Its right to disrespect if that is your view, but if you care for your country as I believe you do please respect the office.

  • DENVER VET

    As a real live former civil rights activist of the 60′s thru the 80′s I will state that the degenerate deviates and the ACLU were not part of that movement–PERIOD!!! The activist leaders started slowly forming their own activist organizations to harrass and lobby every day the selected politicians, organizations, large companies, etc., who were very sympathetic to queer causes, or too WIMPY TO SAY NO! to the “spin doctors” of their ACTIVIST ORGANIZATIONS!! The lesbian man hating types
    went after the most inflential politicians like Bella Azbug, Pat Schroeder (THEIR NUMBER ONE HEROINE), to present day Dianne Degette, head of a congressional GLBT committee. She should be concentrating on bringing in federal economic stimulous low interest money to help get home ownership going again in the poorest areas of Denver, which are a real disaster! But the deviates know that they can count on her behind the scenes to constantly push the UNCEASING GAY AGENDA!!! She has sold out the entire working class of Denver—period! WE DID NOT ELECT HER YEAR AFTER YEAR FOR DEVIANT CAUSES!! The republicans and independents keep putting WEAK candidates against her , as with schroeder also.. THE DEVIANT SOLDIERS DO NOT REST, AND ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO PUSH THEMSELVES ON ANY SOLDIER AND OFFICER THAT THEY CAN. THIS COMPROMISES THE OFFICER TO KEEP HIS MOUTH SHUT AND—DO THEM FAVORS!! I HAVE SEEN THIS AT FORT BENNING, GA. FROM YEARS AGO. EXAMPLE—as young and naive soldier waiting to go overseas, in 1959, I was (and other soldiers) constantly solicited to go to the YMCA in downtown Columbus, Ga, by a tall, smooth talking puertorican jewish upper level sgt., who TRAINED OFFICERS IN SOMETHING. As I rode the bus into downtown Columbus, Ga. every weekend, he was on the bus trying to get young soldiers to go with him to the YMCA! I TURNED HIM DOWN POLITELY, SEVERAL TIMES. Over a period of a few months he revealed (bragged) how he had seduced a number of officers and then HAD POWER OVER THEM TO GET CERTAIN FAVORS FOR HIMSELF AND A FEW OTHERS! IT WILL BE WORSE NOW THAT THEY ‘DO NOT HAVE TO HIDE THEIR DEVIATE LIVES!! OUR CONGRESS, THE TOTAL DEVIATE NATIONAL NEWS MEDIA, OUR TOP OBAMA APPOINTED MILITARY HAS SOLD OUT ALL OF THE HUGE MAJORITY OF NORMAL MORAL AMERICANS!! —WE HAVE TO REVERSE THIS TRADGETY TO OUR TRUE AMERICAN VALUES! CREATE A NATIONAL WEBSITE TO PUBLISH ALL OF THE NEGATIVE EXPERIENCES OF OUR MILITARY OVER THE YEARS WITH ENCOUNTERS WITH THESE DEVIATES, MALE AND FEMALE!!! THEY MUST BE EXPOSED—NOW!!! PUBLICISE THIS SO THE TOTAL AMERICAN PUBLIC GETS THE REAL IDEA OF THE ACTIVIST DEVIATES AGENDA AND PRACTICES PAST AND PRESENT. DO THIS NOW!! OUR MILITARY FUTURE DEPENDS ON THIS!!

  • DENVER VET

    BE ALERT TO THIS.. THE DEVIANT SOLDIERS DO NOT REST, AND ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO PUSH THEMSELVES ON ANY SOLDIER AND OFFICER THAT THEY CAN. THIS COMPROMISES THE OFFICER TO KEEP HIS MOUTH SHUT AND—DO THEM FAVORS!! I HAVE SEEN THIS AT FORT BENNING, GA. FROM YEARS AGO. EXAMPLE—as young and naive soldier waiting to go overseas, in 1959, I was (and other soldiers) constantly solicited to go to the YMCA in downtown Columbus, Ga, by a tall, smooth talking puertorican jewish upper level sgt., who TRAINED OFFICERS IN SOMETHING. As I rode the bus into downtown Columbus, Ga. every weekend, he was on the bus trying to get young soldiers to go with him to the YMCA! I TURNED HIM DOWN POLITELY, SEVERAL TIMES. Over a period of a few months he revealed (bragged) how he had seduced a number of officers and then HAD POWER OVER THEM TO GET CERTAIN FAVORS FOR HIMSELF AND A FEW OTHERS! IT WILL BE WORSE NOW THAT THEY ‘DO NOT HAVE TO HIDE THEIR DEVIATE LIVES!! OUR CONGRESS, THE TOTAL DEVIATE NATIONAL NEWS MEDIA, OUR TOP OBAMA APPOINTED MILITARY HAS SOLD OUT ALL OF THE HUGE MAJORITY OF NORMAL MORAL AMERICANS!! —WE HAVE TO REVERSE THIS TRADGETY TO OUR TRUE AMERICAN VALUES! CREATE A NATIONAL WEBSITE TO PUBLISH ALL OF THE NEGATIVE EXPERIENCES OF OUR MILITARY OVER THE YEARS WITH ENCOUNTERS WITH THESE DEVIATES, MALE AND FEMALE!!! THEY MUST BE EXPOSED—NOW!!! PUBLICISE THIS SO THE TOTAL AMERICAN PUBLIC GETS THE REAL IDEA OF THE ACTIVIST DEVIATES AGENDA AND PRACTICES PAST AND PRESENT. DO THIS NOW!! OUR MILITARY FUTURE DEPENDS ON THIS!!

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    Liberal statist politicians constantly badmouth the tobacco and fast food industries, especially if they think the marketing is aimed at kids. Yet many of these same politically correct morons in government seem determined to encourage and push for the rightness of the LGBT lifestyles, even to kids as young as kindergarten age!! What kind of a message is this?? Can you imagine the outrage there’d be among liberal morons if smokers or obese persons encouraged and boasted about their vices as enthusiastically as some LGBT militants promote their lifestyles?? Cigarette smokers far outnumber homosexuals, but face greater discrimination. They have to smoke privately, away from those who don’t want to breath it. On the other hand, many people don’t want to HEAR gays talk about their acts in explicit details anymore than nonsmokers want to BREATH 2nd hand smoke. So why can’t gay soldiers just keep private and silent?? As we’ve read elsewhere on this site about DADT: “The policy has allowed gays and lesbians to serve, but only if they were silent about their sexual orientation.” IMO, DADT is a good compromise between an outright ban to no ban at all, which we will now see. I have no beef about homosexuals who mind their own business, and do what they do privately. If LGBT people would just use common sense and proper etiquette, most acts of homophobia and so-called ‘hate crimes’ could be prevented. And likewise, they wouldn’t have to fear the DADT policy, which IMO should be kept in law to keep these military personnel in line.

    • Anti Government

      The point of the repeal is that the gays will not be discharged for being gay. They can still keep their gayness a secret, which I would recommend. With 70% of the military OK with the repeal, I don’t think you will see to many problems.

      • Jeremy Leochner

        So be all that you can be be. Just keep it a secret.

        • Anti Government

          If a gay wants to come out they will at their own risk. You can see the extreme “anti-homo” talk that is on just this site. It takes only one person that thinks god told him to kill homosexuals to ruin your day.

          • Bill

            Yea, specifically if you are the one being killed.

      • http://naver samurai

        Sorry, but 91% of the soldiers asked said they wouldn’t follow a gay leader, so where do you get 70% favor it?

        wwwAIPNews.org

        These are the real numbers and no the ones from the left. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        The gvt. cooked the books on the survey. the questions asked in the survey were not objective at all. kinda like “do you still beat your wife?” Strange things happen in the fog of combat, bullets can fly from the damnest directions. Grenades don’t have a conscience, “Fags to the Front.”

  • chuckb

    jeremy leochner

    barry soetoro was adopted by lolo soetoro so goes the name. he never legally changed his name back to barrack hussien obama, he just related back to his origional name. he has done nothing else to clarify why he has not shown a legitimate hawaiian birth certificate or his college records. this is nothing but pure arrogance on his part and usual democratic in your face politics. in my book he does not deserve any respect. his actions are all anti american and he was forced to show any respect towards the flag of this country. we have been deceived by the people who voted for this jack ass and i refuse to accept him as my president.
    the media has proclaimed his greatness by repealing dadt, only shows what little regard they have for the armed forces, i have no objection of homosexuals serving, i do if they are open about it. this will cause more problems than most people realize.

    • Jeremy Leochner

      Chuck our armed forces are the best in the world. How can people being honest about their sexual oreintation hurt such a force. And for the sake of argument under dont ask dont tell people who endure life or death situations on a regular basis, who endure nightmarish physical and mental training and abuse and who only have each other to turn to for help are forced to hide from each other something most basic to who they are, their sexual orientation. Without it they can be honest about it. Honestly which sounds more likley to cause unit disruption or create problems in the ranks. After all honesty is the best policy.

      • http://naver samurai

        It’s obvious that you’ve never served in the military. If you did, you would know what you just said is a load of BS. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        How does one bad apple spoil the barrel ? especially when it’s madatory to have the bad apple.

  • jopa

    Samurai may have served in the militery but not for the good old USA.Sounds like he has a little too much worship for the Japananese that killed thousands of GIs.Where would he get such a stupid handle from otherwise.If he was in Nam he would probably call himself #1 Gook.Just wondering.

    • http://naver samurai

      Sorry moron, but the name “samurai” was given to me by my battalion commander LTC Constanguay at Fort Carson, Colorado. He said because I fight like one. Though the weapons are different these days, but he never saw anyone in his unit that didn’t believe in falling back and fighting till they couldn’t fight anymore. I told him that when it came to fighting, I tend to go to “battle mode.” Second, it’s military not the way you spelled it. never went to Vietnam, but my father and uncle did. Both of them survived heavy fighting during the Tet Offensive. Have you ever served in the military, jopa? By how ignorant you sound, I don’t think so. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

  • jopa

    Japanese and military, I stand corrected.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      A lot more than your spelling needs corrected.

      • http://naver sook young

        That’s true. He sounds like someone who doesn’t know what this country was founded on, nor knows what our founding principles are. Jopa, is it? Please try to post some facts next time and not resort to name calling. Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

        • Nate

          When the country was founded it was by Europeans. Persons from your country of origin weren’t involved at all. The principles at the time would not have included you. Thank you.

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