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Senate Holds Hearing On DREAM Act, Some Lawmakers Skeptical

July 1, 2011 by  

The Senate recently held hearings on immigration.The U.S. Senate recently held its first hearing on a proposal that would allow illegal aliens to gain U.S. citizenship.

The DREAM (Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors) Act would allow those who were brought into the country illegally while they were minors to apply for citizenship if they spend two years in college or in the military.

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano has said that such measures are the best way to tackle the immigration crisis in the country, but some lawmakers are not so sure that is the case, reports United Press International.

“America is a welcoming nation to immigrants who play by the rules and do it the right way,” Senator John Cornyn (R-Texas) said during the hearing.

Cornyn also said that such measures as the DREAM Act do not address some of the larger issues affecting immigration.

“Were we to pass this bill as a stand-alone bill without addressing the rest of our broken immigration system, I believe it is far less likely that we would ever get to the other issues in our broken system,” he said, reports The Houston Chronicle.

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  • Stan Smith

    Send The Leeches packing! America don’t need any more future Democrap Libtard voters!

    • Ray

      It is beginning to look like oboma and company (this includes many career politicians) are hell bent on giving in to the illegal’s strictly for their potential votes. I will personally campaign against anyone that votes for this bill in any of the 50 states (57 according to oboma).

      What part of illegal don’t these morons that were elected into office not understand? Politicians as far as I am concerned are interested in money and power and do not care ont iota about the people of this country.

      • Bear

        You’ve got the idea right. Our Military puts our country and our people first…………….politicians put themselves first. Something I believe they are taught in first year law school. These degenerates are not Republicans nor are they Democrats. They are Marxist oriented or they are Communist oriented but they are definitely NOT Republic oriented. That’s the problem pure and simple. Both political parties that we have embraced as the voice to what Americans truly want for themselves and their families has been totally infiltrated by these decadant thinking S.O.B.’S and now they are imposing their Republic Destroying agendas upon all of us. Every one of them starting with Jimmy Carter and going all the way up to Bill Clinton, Hillary, Harry Reid and the rest need to be tried for treason, convicted and finally placed before a firing squad. And, treason should still be a death sentence, not life in prison offense. No one who betrays our nation nor their sacred oath of office should be allowed to live. I believe everyone of our founding fathers would agree with me.

        • Rikhard

          I’m so glad to hear someone else who understands how much our forefathers hated reason that is was the only criminal statute placed in the constitution and worded so simply that even a moronic libtard could understand it. If you aid and abet the enemy it is treason. If illegal imigration is not an invasion of our country then stop it, if it is then providing them with education, medication or incarceration is aiding and abetting the enemy and yes the death penalty needs to be re-instated but i think the method should be more like William Wallace’s execution have their entralls pulled out in front of a jeering crowd, we could have holidays where you bring the children and sell little nooses and guilllotine’s and spend a glorious day executing liberals.

          • Robert

            Another post on this site with comments of ignorance, misinformation, bigotry, racism, hatred and violence.

            Rikhard – “i think the method should be more like William Wallace’s execution have their entralls pulled out in front of a jeering crowd, we could have holidays where you bring the children and sell little nooses and guilllotine’s and spend a glorious day executing liberals.”

            What the hell? Seriously, who thinks like that?

            I really gotta stop coming to this site. It’s just depressing now.

          • Bud Tugly

            Our founding fathers would be appalled by your attitude. They were men of justice, not inhumane torturers. You should consider getting counseling.

          • karolyn

            They are not the enemy.

          • JC

            What a completely horrid notion.
            Eradicating communism is one thing…torture is quite another.
            Get help!

          • Cawmun Cents

            It is a ploy,a ruse used by radicals to bring out the sociopaths.Say something radical,and hope to catch the suckers napping.When they join in for the chorus…wallah!This is how they fish on a site.They hope to catch bad guys that way.If you know the way the radicals think,then you are less apt to fall for the bait.They would love nothing better than to say that the”radical Christian right”is alive and kicking.Not that there is any temptation to join in with Rikhard,by debasing oneself and others via Hollywood idealisms.No…that is a ploy better served cold,and to the left.Where the issue lies,is to the question of intent.None here have that intent,nor do they espouse it.So occaisionally someone has to sneak in and hope to catch another in a snap of misjudgement.The real torture that is to be found here is that leftist ideology has kept our leaders from acting to insure both the public safety,and that the law of the land is observed.The condition is that it is made into something it is not… political scrutiny can be given it when none is neccesary.By merely following the letter of the law,one nation can ensure that its goals remain lofty.But two nations(those would be bleeding hearts,and staunch conservatives)cannot.Therefore a situation is created to achieve division amongst the populace in order to obtain chaos.Some call this an Alinsky tactic,but folks were using it millenia before he was born.Both the bleeders and the staunch,want their borders secure but neither can or will come up with a soluable answer to the need for discretion.This is the precise reason for following the letter of law.To pretend that it is okay to break the laws in order to have your own made up ideas of freedom is what needs to be avoided.Just by keepimg what is illegal,precisely that,is what is necessary to upholding propriety.So any argument of amnesty,or helping those engaged in criminal acts would be counter-productive in applying solution to the condition.It is like applying a band-aid to a mortal wound.It may keep liquid inside you long enough for you to suffer a bit more,but it doesnt fix the condition.Neither does attempting to draw the hapless in by use of coersion,where there is nothing to coerce Rikhard.-CC.

        • Buell

          I agree they are Illegals, take care of US citizens that are homeless, no jobs, no food, and our troops ! Send them back on a bus drop at the border and let them find the 2,000 guns that are in ,mexico. See they have jobs and no free ride, no free ecucation, or new Ford f150, no poping babies out like gold fish. They wnt our freedoms andour homes, the goverment giva a mexican home bailout.

      • http://shoplibertystore Jay Wilcox

        I totally agree. I am tired of paying taxes to schools, hospitals, to support ILLEGALS> DENY them access to all of the above and they will hopefully leave the US> Why is Illegal suddenly LEGAL> HELP

        • Bear

          It’s kind of like a government sponsored “blue light special” like what we use to see at the local K Mart. Only the government is using our money to run the special and it is only for illegal Mexicans. That in itself is discrimination. So, this “blue light special” lets illegals know that if they apply, they can receive free health benefits, free education, housing and meals all paid for by you and me. Yes, this is how these Communists work and what they are doing and they are doing it without any fear whatsoever. If a few of them were to be drug into the streets, hanged, tar and feathered or whatever , it just might get their attention. Washington, Jefferson,
          Adams and the rest of our founding fathers just decided to start killing them when the British refused to listen to our demands for independence and it took a war to get the point across to them. Maybe that’s what it’s going to take again.

          As for calling them Liberals, we’ve gone way past that title. These “progressives” are in fact Marrxists/Communists, pure and simple and anyone who supports them and are of the same mind set, deserves the same.

      • EddieW

        Ray, you nailed it! They are ILLEGAL..that is a FELONY, one of those things Obozo, our Liar in Chief commits many of while in office!
        Of course, we the taxpayer MUST pay for the 2 years in college they will have to attend! The INSANITY continues!!!

        • steve

          Show proof of citizenship to vote in all 50 states and stop voter fraud then see how many Democrats still want to let all these illegals come here….

          • http://MSN CHARLEY60

            There being here makes them a felon, if undocumented. A felon looses his right to vote as part of that. So as criminals they should not have that right ever. I bet ,if asked, the Amnesty has a clause to allow them to vote regardless.

        • Robert Smith

          From Eddie: “They are ILLEGAL..that is a FELONY…”

          They were KIDS when they were brought into America. THEY didn’t commit any crimes.

          What kind of “christian” justice punishes kids for the sins of the father? Excuse me, I’ll go ask Jesus. Oh, wait a minute he died for YOUR sins.

          Sheesh are you against anyone taking responsibility who actually should?


          • Ellen

            It’s a shame the kids have to get caught up in this, but their parents knew what they were doing to their kids. They chose to do it because we let them get away with it and they’ve been biding their time hoping for another amnesty. We need to deport them all as they are discovered. Those kids can apply for immigration like anyone else in the world when they are 18. No one likes cheaters.

          • Robert Smith

            Ellen says: ” Those kids can apply for immigration like anyone else in the world when they are 18.”

            That’s exactly what the Dream Act is. Those kids caught up because of the sins of their parents can have a way to make things right.


          • Texas Patriot

            How about the parents? Are they criminals? Is having their criminal parents (and dozens of other family and friends) part of the Dream? Responsibility indeed!

          • Robert Smith

            Hey Texas,

            Dream act deals with kids, NOT the parents who brought them in.

            One problem at a time.


          • http://MSN CHARLEY60

            It’s common knowledge that children will suffer for the actions of there parents. Christians turn there back on the fact that millions of kids go hungry, in this nation, because there parents can not find work today,and the food banks are out of food.Over 47 million families are getting food stamps. How about putting import tax pressure on Mexico to raise there min wage from $7.75 a “day” to just our min. wage of that per hour, so they don’t flock here to start with?

          • Robert Smith

            Posted: “Christians turn there back on the fact that millions of kids go hungry, in this nation, because there parents can not find work…”

            Let’s see… We creat a corporate friendly environment by not taxing them, offering them breaks on compliance issues, and the corporations STILL send American jobs overseas.

            Seems to me that the effort to let the rich get away tax free has backfired.

            Or what’s next from the extreme right? Pay the rich to stay. Oops, isn’t that in oil and farm subsidies?

            Tricke down hasn’t worked. It isn’t reaching those who need it.


          • Jay

            robert:Posted: “Christians turn there back on the fact that millions of kids go hungry, in this nation, because there parents can not find work…”

            No doubt fabricated and posted by an atheist!

    • Dons621

      “Some Senators are Skeptical” If these Senators find the Dream Act a Little confusing Who ties their shoes for them?

    • Carol

      I couldn’t agree with you more if I tried this should never ever be done because they are illegal no matter what but the problem is so is Barry Soetoto (Obama) so he feels sorry for them.

    • http://MSN CHARLEY60

      Instead of all the hate why don’t we get real about what the problem is. There coming here is a symptom. The problem is you have a Min. wage in Mexico of $7.75 per day. Even our min. wage is a godsend to them. GM pays them $8.00 a day to build the cars and trucks then shipped into the US tax free. 32 families own most of Mexico alone. They want slave labor as do our corporations doing business there. It is time to tell Mexico to meet our low min. wage, or start to tax the heck out of there imports to even the score. NAFTA was planed to destroy the common man, by lowering his living standards everywhere, and make the rich richer only. Last year the wealthest Americans increased there investment capital 10% to 38.2 trillion dollars. That was stolen from the common man, when the country is in terrible condition, to feed there greed. Because you steal money fom a bank dosn’t mean it’s yours. It is still is the depositers money. The republicans have shown they are more than happy to be the ride along triggerman for a share of the loot for these people.

  • Kane


    • Bbby T

      YES, YES, YES.

    • jibbs

      Kane says:
      July 1, 2011 at 7:12 am

      What part of illegal do you not understand??
      Educate yourself on the laws of the United States before you speak, or
      you can stand with the treasonist at the firing squad also!

      • Robert Smith

        jibbs asks: “What part of illegal do you not understand??”

        The part where KIDS are punished for what the parents did.

        It’s so christian of you to pick on the kids. After all, isn’t the precident there with the first born and all that? Just kill ‘em, that’s the christian way.


        • jibbs

          Robert Smith says:
          July 1, 2011 at 3:12 pm
          jibbs asks: “What part of illegal do you not understand??”

          The part where KIDS are punished for what the parents did.

          It’s so christian of you to pick on the kids. After all, isn’t the precident there with the first born and all that? Just kill ‘em, that’s the christian way.

          I did not say kill them(you did) My point was, “deport them”
          Why should we pay for them to go to school, medical, college, ect, ect, because their parents made a bad choice, knowing what the laws are. Don’t blame Americans and have us pay for their bad choice.

          No one pays me when I make a bad stock choice and lose my money. Educate yourself before inserting foot! If you want to support them, use your personal bank account….nuff said!

        • Ridge Runner

          Mr robert smith i think you are probably a nice enough fellow but i would call you dumb ass smart ass bleeding heart liberal.If you or all these a like minded people want to help these people in mexico that is fine with me but do it in mexico and with your own money not with the tax payer’s money.Illigal imigration is not as drastic as robery or murder but it is still illigal.Why can’t our gov reps get this straightened out in their mind that it is illigal for them to be here and it is illigal for any one to help them come here.Just what pary of illigal is it that you crazy ass people don’t under stand.You bunch of crazy ass liberals have to realize that along with the world or our planet being over populated the u.s. is quickly being over taken and over populated by illigals and they are all are not from mexico they are just coming through dumb asses had better wake up and smell the coffee while you can because you just don’t under stand what this illigal imigration is realy doing to the country and how bad it realy is.It is one of the big things that is causing the debt to sky rocket so fast. these people need to be sent home and if the reason that these people are coming here is to get away from the violence then maybe the u.s. should give them some help to clean up the corruption in their gov and ours at the same time.We don’t need to be any part of a north american union.

        • JC

          Robert Smith says:
          July 1, 2011 at 3:12 pm
          jibbs asks: “What part of illegal do you not understand??”

          The part where KIDS are punished for what the parents did.

          It’s so christian of you to pick on the kids. After all, isn’t the precident there with the first born and all that? Just kill ‘em, that’s the christian way.


          You really are a twisted hateful freak.
          NO ONE is saying “Kill the Kids”, its all in your twisted little freak mind!
          Ya know for a guy….you’re really, literally “hysterical”.

        • Jay

          robert: It’s so christian of you to pick on the kids. After all, isn’t the precident there with the first born and all that? Just kill ‘em, that’s the christian way.

          A rather hypocritical comment coming from a pro-abortionist!

  • Jack

    Looks like the majority of our “hired help” is more than happy to give away our children’s future; waste every dime they don’t make, tax US into oblivian and attempt to take every right God,(not government) granted US!

    ‘Far as I’m concerned there are more looser “Weiners” working US over than leaders.

    When will one of them have the ‘nads to say America for Americans?

    We are cursed with an “anitomically challenged political system; one side has no brains, the other no ‘nads!

    • Robert Smith

      Same old diaper load from Jack: “take every right God,(not government) granted US!”

      What part of “We the PEOPLE…” don’t you understand?

      Our Founding Fathers didn’t say our rights were from your god, they said they came from ourselvs.

      Please learn how America works and quit trying to foist your religion on us real Americans.


      • Jay

        robert: Please learn how America works and quit trying to foist your religion on us real Americans.

        Nobody is foisting their religion on you, robert, rather, you are foisting your atheism on us!

  • Jim

    THE COMMUNIST DEMOCRAT PARTY IS DEAF!!!!!! the American people have said NO 8 times to this stupid amnesty bill but still the commies show us THEY DINT GIVE A DAMN WHAT ..YOU THINK

    • Robert Smith

      From Jim: ” American people have said NO 8 times to this stupid amnesty bill but still…”

      Jim, Jim, Jim… [sigh] Remember that in 1986, Ronald Reagan signed a sweeping immigration reform bill into law.

      Remember how it was sold as a crackdown? We all know how that didn’t work. He claimed that there would be tighter security at the Mexican border. That didn’t work.

      Employers would face strict penalties for hiring undocumented workers. We all see how that isn’t working.

      And finally, the bill also made any immigrant who’d entered the country before 1982 eligible for amnesty.

      Remember, this is Ronald Reagan who led the way for Obama and amnesty.

      Now, if we could just get our troops home so they could guard the boarder.


      • independant thinker

        Remember the democrat controlled congress promised to do all that and more but as soon as they passed the amnesty and Reagan signed it they promptly “forgot about” the promises to do all the other things.

        • Robert Smith

          Americans have forgotten a lot about Reagan too. So many broken promises…


          • JC

            No President may keep any promises not pre-ordained by the owners of the Federal Reserve.

      • Jay

        robert:Jim, Jim, Jim… [sigh] Remember that in 1986, Ronald Reagan signed a sweeping immigration reform bill into law.

        Remember how it was sold as a crackdown? We all know how that didn’t work. He claimed that there would be tighter security at the Mexican border. That didn’t work.

        Employers would face strict penalties for hiring undocumented workers. We all see how that isn’t working.

        Robert, how about we apply a positive attitude and make it work! Can we fix it? YES WE CAN!!!

  • Palin12

    No way, Jose. Send them packing.

  • Tony in MO

    This “Dream” act is more like a “Nightmare” Act. It keeps coming back time and time again, like a vampire. When will someone in Congress finally drive a stake into its heart and kill it for good? It’s just another back door amnesty bill. I guess poor ol’ Dickie Durbin is afraid that if those illegals aren’t made citizens, he’ll lose his senate seat. I don’t know why he’s worried because illegal aliens have been voting in our elections for years; especially in Illinois where they live under the protection of Dickie boy and his pandering partner, Luis Gutierrez.

    • Robert Smith

      Toney claims: “It’s just another back door amnesty bill.”

      Actually it isn’t. It takes the very best and brightest of the kids (who wants to punish kids for the sins of the parents?) and gives them a path they have to EARN through school or military to become citizens. They ain’t being handed nothing but an opportunity.

      Why do you lie so much that keeping the best from a bad situation can hurt America?


      • Ellen

        Hmmm…Isn’t there something in the bill that then allows these kids to fast track their relatives to citizenship? That’s the biggest problem.

      • jibbs

        From reading this post and the one’s you posted above, your just like obummer….you flipflop due to the fact you don’t know what you say with out a telepromter. You need medical help ASAP!! Start with a hot cup of STFU.

        • Robert Smith

          Quit lying jibbs: “….you flipflop due to the fact you don’t know what you say with out a telepromter.”

          There is no teleprompter in front of my computer, jibbs. And!

          I’ve always supported amnesty for the innocent kids.

          But again, thank you for showing your conception to birth and then forget ‘em reich wing position.

          Answer this: If abortion were illegal WHY would you insist upon punishing a kid you forced to be born?


          • Jay

            robert: Answer this: If abortion were illegal WHY would you insist upon punishing a kid you forced to be born?

            Well rob, not surprising, another idiotic question coming from the mind-in-the gutter liberal. Your idiotic insistence on mixing the abortion issue with the immigration issue shows your desperation and intellectual bankruptcy has falling to a new low. Boob!

          • Robert Smith

            If the woman CHOOSES not to have a kid then there is NO problem with the kid. Simple.

            Further, it does show your steadfact garbage about the conception to birth and then forget about them or punish them.

            How christian of you.


          • Jay

            robert: If the woman CHOOSES not to have a kid then there is NO problem with the kid. Simple.

            If the children’s illegal and criminal parents choose to break the law and sacrifices their children’s future by entering this country illegally, then there is no problem, send them all back. There, simple, that’s the LAW!!! You break the law, you suffer the consequences. With me so far, dumbo?

            You have made the idiotic argument in favour of the mother not giving birth to a child because she may not be in a good financial position, and that, as you stated many times, the taxpayers, and you included, should not have to be burdened with paying for that/those children(s) welfare. Well then, if we shouldn’t be responsible for children who’s mothers gave birth to them, but couldn’t afford to raise them, meathead, why then should the American taxpayers be responsible for the children of illegal immigrant, who, put their children’s future at risk by breaking the law, and both, unfortunately, should, and will, suffer the consequences. That’s how life works, you dumb-azz liberal !There simple! If you deny the unborn the right to life, health and happiness, aren’t you then being hypocritical that you would then insist that we offer life’s necessities and pay for the children of illegal immigrants/law breakers with our tax dollars. Why them but not the un-born? you big, fat, two-faced liberal! Send them back, let their own countrymen be responsible for them, but oops, they’re not responsible, are they robert? Well its time to teach them how to be responsible. Its time to teach their government that its time to put on “THE BIG BOY PANTS” and look after your own, you dumb sh*t’s. There, simple, you simpleton!!!

      • Robert Smith

        Ellen claims: “Isn’t there something in the bill that then allows these kids to fast track their relatives to citizenship.”

        I haven’t seen that. Perhaps you can actually show it to us rather than appearing to be making something up.

        If the right knows so much about the bill it shouldn’t be difficult. SHOW us.


      • Texas Patriot

        Robert, let’s try a compromise. If we grant the poor sinless kids their Dream, can we deport the guilty parents for their crimes? Or would that just be way too harsh of the mean old US, where money grows on trees and falls down from the sky?

        • Robert Smith

          Asked: “If we grant the poor sinless kids their Dream, can we deport the guilty parents for their crimes?”

          Works for me. It’s the PARENTS who did the bad things.


      • JC

        Robert Smith says:
        July 1, 2011 at 3:20 pm
        Toney claims: “It’s just another back door amnesty bill.”

        Actually it isn’t. It takes the very best and brightest of the kids (who wants to punish kids for the sins of the parents?) and gives them a path they have to EARN through school or military to become citizens. They ain’t being handed nothing but an opportunity.

        Let them get “handed” their opportunities in Mexico.
        If that’s a problem for them…let them fix their problem in their country.

        • Robert Smith

          From JC: “If that’s a problem for them…let them fix their problem in their country.”

          Mexico isn’t “their country.” It’s the country of their parents.

          America is their country. That’s where they were often born, brought up, and educated.

          You may not like that, but that is the FACT.


          • JC

            Listen up twisted dipstick…
            I’m talking about their illegal parents and the responsibilities of those ILLEGAL PARENTS. The children of the ILLEGAL PARENTS are the responsibility of the ILLEGAL PARENTS.
            If their country is so Fuc**d up THEY should fix it.
            Their IRRESPONIBILITY and ILLEGAL actions is not MY PROBLEM…GET IT?

          • Robert Smith

            JC says: “If their country [mexico] is so Fuc**d up THEY should fix it.”

            But we were partially responsible for breaking it by our coprorations taking advantage of the cheap labor down there and by all that money for pot going down there.

            Did you know cartels are building their own submariens to move product? Did you know they are building armored vehicles with automatic weapons on them? Where did they get the money and weapons? From America.

            Seems to me we should take some responsibility for our actions. How’s ’bout that JC?

            Do you take responsibility?


          • JC

            How unbelievably twisted you liberal freaks really are.
            Robert you are living proof that liberalism is a mental disorder.
            I take responsibilty for myself, my family and that is more than you parasites are capable of.

            Get some new meds.

          • Jay

            robert:Did you know cartels are building their own submariens to move product? Did you know they are building armored vehicles with automatic weapons on them? Where did they get the money and weapons? From America.

            No robert, they acquired the funds from selling black heroin, cocaine and illegal immigrants, and that, to countries all over the world. You want to end the life of drug cartels? Then hunt them down and shoot them dead like the terrorists that they are. Case closed!

  • owen thordarson

    military? you have to be an outstanding student to be allowed into the military. college? who do you think is going to pay for the illegals to go? you got it, we the tax payers will..

    • Average Joe

      That was my first thought…they’ll be happy to go to college….on our dime……who woulda thunk?

      • eddie47d

        They would have to pay the same cost for college at the state level. So it is on their own dime.

        • Bob from Calif.

          If that’s what you really think Eddie, I have a really nice bridge to sell you.

          • eddie47d

            That is how it was written in Colorado but did not pass.

  • Marty

    Go to website. find out how to contact your Senator and Congressman or Congresswoman and flatly tell them that if they vote for the Dream Act that you will not vote for them. Send this to your friends and have them send it to there friends. Also if you can afford it send all of them a fax. Pass this around. I have a repport card for my 3 reps so when it comes time to vote I know if they get my vote. We need to kick these idiots out permanently!!!!!

    • Bear

      Nice words but not nearly what we need. Once these individuals have served a term, they are elligible for full pay retirement and we’re still paying for them and getting nothing in return. Does that sound fair to us the taxpayers? NO! What they need to be told is that they will be held accountable for violating their sacred oath of office, that being to protect and defend the Constitution if the United States of America, and be tried for treason. Under these circumstance or removal from office by the people, they would forfeit any benefits they might have coming to them. We DO NOT NEED to continue paying for something that does not benefit us.

      • Bbby T


      • Average Joe

        I second that motion!

      • carlv

        Our politicians had better wake up and listen to what is happening or else. and who said they could receive full retirement for one term? I have to WORK 30 yrs or more to get mine.

        • Robert Smith

          Run for office carlv. Then you can vote for retirement cuts for yourself.


    • jibbs

      Join this group,

  • NT1938

    Military reservist are trained and are on call to meet the nation’s needs. Fourteen years in a Signal unit with seven years of three day callup and seven years with first call up that did not include desert Storm was controlled by the presidents serving, even though some were not too smart. Ronald reagan yelled at the Russians to be able to give defense contracts to his supporters. The Russians were already beat if they attacked and the military knew it. We kept our mouths shut and the lies kept coming.



    • JC

      Or Democrats…they’re both pretty much completely corrupt.
      Go Libertarian, Go American.

  • Polski


    This is the organization that has been fighting ILLEGAL ALIENS.

    They have it set up so you can fax your senators, representatives, the president, and all the rest of the bureacracy.

    They have a report card so you can see how bad or good your senators and your representatives are.

    • mickey

      Yes, and this was good. The e-verify thing though, just appears an about face on this. Why should all US citizens be in a database when the illegals either have paperwork showing status or don’t?

      At one time, I had to have my thumb print on my driver’s license. So why isn’t this just used to prove citizenship? No visa with a matching print, no driver’s license.

      Besides, a DL is not the end of everything. It is just another way for DHS and ICE to get rid of their responsibilitis.

      An international DL could be issued to an alien without giving them the right to vote. Just another delegation of authority by the Fed that can’t do its job. An international DL would give them a right to get insurance.

      • Robert Smith

        There is already a way to deal with it.

        I had an international driver’s license when I was in the Navy. I was able to rent motorcycles and cars in most of Europe (for some reason not England) and I had a great time while I was on liberty.


  • wandamurline

    The first thing that absolutely MUST be done is secure the border in order for us to deal with the illegal alients that are here in the US at the present time. Illegal aliens to become American citizens…they should have to EARN the privilege:
    #1 Each family (man, wife and children) will have to pay a $2,000 fine per family … this is their conviction for illegal tresspassing.
    #2 Each person within this family must apply for citizenship and are given a time dated and numbered green card which will also be used for paying taxes. Each person within this family who works for an empoyer or self-employed will be charged social security, medicare tax and medicaid, like every American and they will file an income tax with the IRS in April of every year.
    #3 Each person over the age of 17, at the time of application has to learn to speak English. Each person within the family that is over the age of 17 at the time of application will be given the same instructional booklet that every immigrant who has become a citizen gets with their application, and they must take and pass the test for citizenship within a five year period. This goes back to the time stamp on their green card. Every member of the family who is over the age of 17 at application has to pass the test, or the whole family fails. If within 5 years, they are unable to do so, they will be deported back to Mexico.
    #4 No one in this family may sponsor anyone else. This is a chance for this particular family only to earn their own citizenship and not a backdoor to allowing grandmaw and grandpaw citizenship without proper application.
    #5 No one in the family is elligible for any entitlements…no food stamps, no medicaid, no free medical benefits, no free lunches for their children at school…absolutely no benefits that are paid by the American taxpayer…the new citizen applicants must prove that they can provide for themselves…America does not need another 11 million welfare recepients.

    Just a thought as to how to stop the invasion by Mexico. If these people are held to these conditions, then most of them will not apply, or will not adhere to the time sensitive requirements, and therefore can be deported immediately after five years, because we “gave them the chance to be a citizen”.

    • Average Joe

      I would also add that instead of a national ID, that these people applying for the green card… be scanned biometrically as well as finger printed….if they “disappear”into the woodwork, should they be picked up for any violation of the law, they can be easily identified and sent packing. If they are sent back and they return again….and are picked up…they can be identified and given an automatic 1 year prison sentence first offence…5 years for any susequent violation….with the tab to be picked up by their familia Mexico or whatever country they came from….What they eat,drink,wear etc….will depend soley on what their family…sends…period. To heck with us supporting them! (although we will be happy to provide the prison to house them).
      Also, cut off all welfare of any kind until they have met the requirements and become citizens.
      If they have children once entering this country….those children are not automatically citizens…no more anchor babies!….those children become US citizens….once the family becomes citizens. If the familly fails…they all go back to their homeland and those children go with them.

      The key is that we need to stop giving them the freebies….take away the incentives to come here illegally…..There’s no such thing as a free lunch….someone has to pay for it….and I for one am damned tired of it!

  • karolyn

    These people should not be penalized if they have been productive members of our society. I recently heard a story about a young woman who neve knew she wasn’t a citizen until she asked her grandmother for her birth certificate. Why should she be punished? She graduated from high school and is attending college. She is not a low-life but is a productive citizen. She considers herself an American citizen, as she should.

    • Bbby T


    • Bob

      What exactly does a student produce? The answer is nothing. At some future time she may be productive, but at this time she is not productive. She may even be a parasite if she is attending college on some type of preference scholarship and, if she goes to work for government, or takes advantage of affirmative action to get a job, she will always be a parasite.

      • L Chavez

        This is true, we (the American Tax Payer) has already paid for 12 years of schooling, then they want to give them an additional years of college, through the Dream Act. I wish I could have got 2 years of free college. But seems like our government wants to reserve all this benefits for law breakers.

        • eddie47d

          Where do any of you get the idea that they would get free college tuition? If their parents worked and paid taxes then their public schools would have been paid for also.

          • Curt


            There you go again. Illegals do not pay taxes, so how do you figure their parents pay for them to go to school?

          • karolyn

            Curt – If they rent, they pay property tax; if they shop, they pay sales tax. If they have used a fake SS #, they pay taxes.

          • Curt


            If you rent, you do not pay property taxes. In Oregon, there is no sales tax. They shop in Mexican owned stores and get away without paying taxes. I have personally witnessed that on many occassions. I have worked with many illegals that use fake SS Cards so they can obtain employment, and still not pay taxes. Happens when the HR head is Mexican themselves. Happened in Kentucky at a poultry plant. The HR head was Mexican and hired illegals for 25% of their pay. They did not pay taxes. Her husband threatened to report her if she did not share with him. She wound up attempting to run, but got caught.

          • eddie47d

            If a “Mexican” owns a store the government will be taxing it. The rest of your comment only proved how illegals get ripped off.

          • Curt


            You are such an intellectually impaired equine’s anus. The governement taxes the store owner. The legal Mexican. the illegals still do not pay taxes. As for the rest of it, yup, they get screwed by their own people. Still, THEY DO NOT PAY TAXES. What part of that do you not understand? You think the girl that screwed them paid taxes on the money she extorted from them? So, where is the money to pay for them to go to college coming from? The rest of us who pay taxes.

          • Karolyn

            Curt – when you rent, a portion of that money is said to go toward property taxes. Logical – the owner has to pay taxes on that property, so of course, he is using rent money toward his taxes. That’s why in NJ renters get to deduct a portion of their rent towards a tax break.

          • Curt


            So, the Mexican renters get tax breaks? Yeah, that helps out paying to send the illegals to college. Give it up already, this is a bad idea all the way around.

          • JC

            eddie47d says:
            July 1, 2011 at 6:21 pm
            If a “Mexican” owns a store the government will be taxing it. The rest of your comment only proved how illegals get ripped off.
            They’re not even supposed to be here Eduardo…you have no argument.

          • eddie47d

            Then why did the corporates invite them here,hotshot??

          • JC

            What? Invite them here?
            You mean like sending them all personally addressed letters suggesting they wear someting bright and festive?
            Or was it an ad in the La Jornada? “Come to America, where you can sweat your ass off in a field for minimum wages and live 20 to a room…you’ll love it”
            Or maybe there were billboards all over Mexico advertising a new life…if you can get past the armed border patrol.

            WTF are you talking about my Commie little friend?

    • rulken

      You call someone that breaks our laws a productive citizen? Someone that went to our schools illegally productive? She should just thank her luck stars that she had an opportunity to get the education on our nickle, go back to Mexico, and get in line with the rest who are trying to come here legally!
      We are sick to death of bleeding liberals like you, who think we should just let some idiot like yourself, decide what laws we should, or shouldn’t obey to please you!

      • karolyn

        have you heard the story of Jose Antonio Vargas, Washington Post Pulitzer Prize winning journalist who just disclosed that he was undocumented? He is 30 years old and was brought here from the Phillipines by his mother at 12. He found out at 16 that he was illegal. He has accomplished much and loves this country. He decided to “come out of the closet” because he knew he would be found out sooner or later. So far no action against him has been taken. Many people like him are more patriotic and love this country more than natural-born citizens.

        • Robert Smith

          He got off lucky so far. If he were a first born that there brutal christian god might be after him to kill him just because he’s the first born.


          • Cawmun Cents

            This from a pompous ass who defends criminals.Yeah,let tem break our laws so they can serve in our military….what?I dont know about you,but the last thing we need in our military is someone who doesnt follow the rules to begin with.And now we will have?????millions of them?Does your hypocrisy know no bounds,Mr./Ms.Smith?You talk of God,as if he were a criminal,and then you move to let people with criminal intent become citizens through the military?What kind of person takes up such an argument?Oh yeah…refer to the first sentence in this post.

          • Robert Smith

            Awwww Caumnun: “?I dont know about you,but the last thing we need in our military is someone who doesnt follow the rules to begin with…”

            The CHILDREN grew up in America. They followed what rules they were told to follow by their parents.

            AGAIN you are visiting the crimes of the parents on the kids.

            But that’s what I expect from the extreme reich… Protect ‘em from conception to birth and then punish them. Punish them, punish them, and punish them… All in the name of your brutal god, NOT in the name of my America.


      • Robert Smith

        rulken says: “decide what laws we should, or shouldn’t obey to please you!”

        Bzzzz, wrong rulken. The debate isn’t about disobeying any laws.

        The debate is about CHANGING the laws.

        BTW, are you forgetting that it was the melting pot that made America great? Most drugs were legal for most of America’s history, and taxes were much higher for the rich when America was strongest.

        Why do you deny the facts in favor of reich wing dogma?


    • jibbs

      Karolyn, here is a new word for you to learn the meaning of. What do you find so hard to understand? Unabridged
      Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2011.
      Cite This Source | Link To illegal
      World English Dictionary
      illegal (ɪˈliːɡ ə l)

      — adj
      1. forbidden by law; unlawful; illicit
      2. unauthorized or prohibited by a code of official or accepted rules

      — n
      3. a person who has entered or attempted to enter a country illegally


      — adv


      — n

      Collins English Dictionary – Complete & Unabridged 10th Edition
      2009 © William Collins Sons & Co. Ltd. 1979, 1986 © HarperCollins
      Publishers 1998, 2000, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009
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      Word Origin & History


      1626, from M.L. illegalis, from L. in- “not” (with assimilation of -n- to the following consonant) + legalis (see legal). Term illegal immigrant first recorded 1939 in ref. to Jews entering Palestine without authorization during the British mandate. Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2010 Douglas Harper
      Cite This Source
      Legal Dictionary

      Main Entry: il·le·gal
      Pronunciation: il-’lE-g&l
      Function: adjective
      : contrary to or in violation of a law : ILLICIT, UNLAWFUL illegal contract> — il·le·gal·ly adverb Merriam-Webster’s Dictionary of Law, © 1996 Merriam-Webster, Inc

      • Robert Smith


        The Dream Act CHANGES the law so children aren’t punished for the sins of the parents.

        Then the would be LEGAL.

        Get it? LEGAL.


        • Palin12

          The DREAM Act also says the illegal aliens must learn English. Fat chance of that ever happening. You know damn well they have no intention of learning English. I see little 5-year old kids in the store speaking only Spanish. Another lady at the post office was dismayed because none of the tellers spoke Spanish. She had to get on the cell phone and get someone to translate for her.

          • Robert Smith

            From Palin12: “The DREAM Act also says the illegal aliens must learn English.”

            I think the legal ones sould too. I’m in favor of English being our language of legal documents, education, and all else that applies to America.

            “Another lady at the post office was dismayed because none of the tellers spoke Spanish.”

            Too bad for her. She should learn English or have someone with her who has. Working it out on a cell phone seems to have worked that time.

            Too bad you had to stand in line. But then I stood in line a lot when I was in the USN. Standing in line seems to be a price of freedom.

            From Palin: “I see little 5-year old kids in the store speaking only Spanish.”

            What you “see” doesn’t have much credibility, particularly looking at you coming from the extreme reich. The FACT is that a kid of 5 years old should learn English far easier than someone older.


        • Texas Patriot

          Robert, you continually state that children should not be punished for ‘sins of their parents’. I have asked you repeatedly on this board what should be doned with the parents, but so far you haved dodged this issue. Is anyone to be punished for all these sins/crimes? Where do you draw the line? Is anyone responsible for anything? Should we just throw all laws out the window? I don’t think you want an America like that, do you?

          • Robert Smith

            Hey Texas, sorry I didn’t reply directly to you. I’ve responded elsewhere though.

            You ask: ” I have asked you repeatedly on this board what should be doned with the parents,…”

            The parents are in violation of our laws. They shouold be dealt with accordingly with due process. I suspect that will result in them being tossed out, and I have no sympathy for them. The parents are criminals.


        • Palin12

          Robert Smith
          You missed the point.The dumbocrats want you to think the illegal aliens must learn English under the Nightmare Act just so they can pass amnesty. After they get that, they’ll just get some activist judge to rule that the English requirement is unconstitutional and throw that section of the Act out. I’ve had tons of illegals on my block, packing 12-15 people into a 3-BR house, junk cars piled all over the lawn, grafitti all over the garage doors, weeds 3 feet high. Fortuneatly due to an increased 287G presence from law enforcement, many of them have self-deported. They don’t need to bother with English living in crowded places like that and buy their lunch from their Roach Coaches.

    • kodster

      Karolyn, that may very well happened… her grandparents and/or parents arrived here illegally, and she was too young to remember… an infant, perhaps? However, I would hold the story with skepticism… how the heck would she have gotten into school, because nowadays, you need a social security number to register for school, for a driver’s license, to get into the military, et al. I guess that’s why she asked grandma for her birth certificate? Because she needed to go apply for a social security number. Something is not right here, I don’t think you have all the facts in this story.

      • Robert Smith

        Can you spell forgery?


    • mickey

      Excuse me? We are still finding WWII Nazis here and abroad that lived a very sedate life. Are they also not to be brought to justice? I mean, after all, they may be your neighbor.

      • Robert Smith

        Hey mickey, how the heck are you.

        Are you really comparing CHILDREN to memebers of the third reich who killed millions?


        • Cawmun Cents

          If by children you mean people of age to serve in the military(as a condition of having broken a law to begin with)….then yes.

        • JC

          No Robert, it’s about “principles”. Look it up.

          • Robert Smith

            Shucks JC, I don’t think much of principles that punish kids for the sins of the parents.

            But then, I sort of understand that small infractions can bring the wrath of your brutal god upon you daming you to eternal hell. It isn’t that much of a step to see that you want to play in the image of your brutal god and pass some of that fear and pain along.

            Thanks for such a fine example of your version of christanity.

            You may want to try that of Bishop Spong if you ever find a heart and care about your fellow human beings.

            BTW, not following your brutal god I don’t live in fear. It’s a much nicer way to live. I suggest you try it.


          • JC

            “My” brutal God? You have no idea what I do or don’t believe in, bigoted liberal dipstick. And its not me who is punishing the children of ILLEGAL ALIENS. Its the ILLEGAL ALIEN PARENTS of those children who put them in this position, and if you ever get your head out of your a** you might see that.

          • Jay

            For an atheist, robert sure spends a lot of time talking about God. But then again, robert’s ranting and raving’s have a lot more to do with his genetic father then they do about God! No doubt that robert’s father was a real prick!!!

    • proudwhite

      GOOD,,YOU take her in, and raise her and her family. TYPICAL LIBERAL.Hey, want to send MY kids to COLLEGE for me?! I’d appreciate that!

      • karolyn

        “ME! ME! ME! These are human beings we’re talking about here. Try putting yourself in their shoes. Really, think about it! It’s not like there would be no restictions and guidelines. Not every Tom, Dick or Harry would be allowed to stay!

        • momplayer

          not every tom,dick,or harry,but every jesus,jose,edwardo,ricardo can.

        • JC

          karolyn says:
          July 1, 2011 at 1:30 pm
          “ME! ME! ME! These are human beings we’re talking about here. Try putting yourself in their shoes.
          Another wishy washy childish comment from an ultra-lib.
          How about the law? How about morality? How about Justice?
          NOTHING justifies blatant theft!

          • Robert Smith

            Hey JC…

            The law can and should be changed. That’s what is being debated about these children.

            You ask: “How about morality?”

            What’s moral about punishing a child for the sins of the father? Now now, I realzie that you may worship a god who had his own kid tortured to death so YOU could be sin free (talk about the ultimate in welfare) but not all Americans are so brutal.

            You ask: “How about Justice?”

            Where is there justice in punishing a kid for the sins of the father? I know, I know… You worship a god who killed the first born innocent sons just to make a point, but not all Americans are into such brutality.


          • JC

            Robert, nobody wants to punish children. My point is that their “parents” are responsible for them. So when their “parents” must BY LAW be deported…the responsibility of their “parents” is not diminished. The children too must be returned with their “parents” to the land of their origin. And that is neither the fault nor the responsibility of the American taxpayer.

          • Robert Smith

            And if the kid is 18?


          • JC

            Then I guess he’ll miss his parents. And there’s no way he should have reached the age of 18 while his parents were here ILLEGALLY.
            maybe he’ll get over it while he’s serving in the Military.

          • Jay

            Wow, all of a sudden robert is all for the kids, lucky for them that they are not still in their mother’s womb, otherwise, robert would be frothing at the mouth, and screaming for their dismemberment, and all, under the guise of being pro-choice! Liberalism is a mental disease, from which spawns, hatred, jealously, murder, thievery, mental lunacy, double-speak, racism, abortion, euthanasia, godlessness, and hopeless corruption!

    • GregS

      karolyn says:

      “These people should not be penalized if they have been productive members of our society…Why should she be punished…She is not a low-life but is a productive citizen.”

      karolyn, you’ve missed the point. The issue is NOT whether or not illegals are “productive,” nor is it an issue of “punishing” them. The issue is JOBS and RESOURCES! In fact, if anyone is being “punished” in this country, it’s the all the LEGAL CITIZENS who are being DISPLACED by all the ILLEGAL ALIENS!

      We can no longer keep saying to the world, “Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses…” Nothing is the way it used to be. It’s a brave new world with a GLOBAL economy. We export our jobs to other countries, while taking in HUGE numbers of people from those countries. We can no longer turn our heads the other way on all of ILLEGAL ALIENS coming into this country!

      The Dream Act will displace millions of LEGAL CITIZENS in this country, all because someone says that the ILLEGAL ALIENS are “productive” and are being “punished” for a crime they didn’t commit. The REAL crime that’s being committed is the harm that’s being done to the displaced LEGAL CITIZENS of this country!

      • Robert Smith

        From Greg: “We can no longer keep saying to the world, “Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses…”

        Sure we can. It’s what built America.


        • JC

          Yeah, when they were willing to work and before they started forming gangs and destroying neighborhoods…when they had morals…

        • GregS

          No we can’t. Back then, it didn’t displace LEGAL CITIZENS.

  • berengaria

    Please do not agree with this madness of allowing citizenship for people who simply serve a small amount of time in the Military. What kind of loyalty could we expect from our servicemen and women, who say their hearts are with Mexico, etc.? Even General Washington ordered that newly arrived immigrants could form companies,etc. of their own, but he did not allow them in the main army. Look what has happened with the muslims in service to this country, we could never be safe. Thank you, Berengaria

    • Bob

      The loyalty we can expect for these people was demonstrated when they booed the American soccer team and cheered for the Mexican soccer team. These people will always be hispanics, africans, muslims, first; Americans second.

      • karolyn

        “These people” would be those who came here as children and established a feeling of patriotism for this country.

        • Curt


          Would those “patriotic children” be the same ones in Arizona that pulled down the American flag at their school and burned it, and ran a Mexican flag up instead? You mean those “patriotic children”? Okay, since I cannot find that one on the internet, how about you pull up this one:

          • Karolyn

            Of course you would point to the r”otten apples.” Those types would not be going to college or joining the military, which would be required. Actually, can you blame them with people like you wishing them ill? THEY ARE HUMAN BEINGS just like we are.

          • JC

            Not quite the same kind of immigrant that came over from Europe in the 30′s are they Curt? You know, the ones with Italian, German and other European names that believed so fiercely in the idea of a free nation that they put on the uniform of the US Army and went back to Europe and literally fought against members of their own family…on “our” side of the conflict.

            I don’t imagine they would have put up with burning the flag of their adopted nation. They were Americans First!

        • Curt

          Or how about this one, karolyn?

          Yup. Peaceful patriotic Mexicans. Not.

          • Curt


            I wish our country back for our children. Our grandchildren. Their children. We cannot have a country for them if it is overrun by illegals.

          • JC

            Curt, further to that…
            We can not have a “free country” for our children if we allow this group of communist “progressives” to subvert everything we stand for as Americans.

      • Bud Tugly

        After the big soccer game at the Rose Bowl between the US and Mexico there were cars cruising all over LA with California license plates but sporting Mexican flags. Where is their loyalty? Most of these people consider California, New Mexico, Arizona and Texas “Occupied Mexico”.

        • Robert Smith

          “cars cruising all over LA with California license plates but sporting Mexican flags. Where is their loyalty?”

          Great… Now according to the extreme right a sports enthusiasm is grounds for citizenship.

          I’ll bet supporters of the Cleveland Indians… Oops the Indians were born here.

          Talk about illegals… How’s bout the Pittsburg PIRATES?

          Why don’t you take your diaper laod into the woods with the Boston Brewins?


          • Bud Tugly

            Get a clue- sports enthusiasm is one thing, but in LA it is a sign of political/national loyalty.

            Considere getting that new surgical procedure – the plexiotomy. The implantation of a plexiglass window in the abdomen so people whose heads are crammed in their nether regions can see.

    • Robert Smith

      Posted: “Please do not agree with this madness of allowing citizenship for people who simply serve a small amount of time in the Military.”

      2 years is a long time. I was FORCED to choose between being in ‘Nam and getting shot at for 2 years or doing 4 in the USN. Considering my alergy to bullets I opted for the USN.

      I’m ALREADY an American and I had to serve.


      • JC

        What? you decide not to go right into Viet Nam…to help the children?

        • Jay

          Robert doesn’t give a rat’s azz about children! Now, had he gotten wind that women in Nam were being denied abortion, well, no question, he would have opted to go to Nam without hesitation, and probably would have paid his own ticket!

  • Bob

    This is nothing more than a scumocrat plan to hasten the destruction of free, capitalist America. After the socialist sewage from these countries gain power they will turn America into another socialist cesspool. They ran their own countries into the ground, what makes anyone think they won’t run America into the ground? You would think that, if they came to America for a better life, they would understand that they aren’t smart enough to run a country. Einstein once defined insanity as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. In that case, these people who want to enforce their malignant cultures on America in the hope thay they can somehow create paradise are insane.

    • kodster

      And therein lies the problems with the progressive representatives we have in office. People vote them in, without knowing their true agenda and viewpoints. Progressives have a warped sense of reality. Therefore, liberals, ergo, are progressives. Liberals have been reputed to have a few marbles missing from their thought processes.

    • Robert Smith

      Bob says: “This is nothing more than a scumocrat plan to hasten the destruction of free, capitalist America.”

      Actually it’s the special interests from the extreme right with oil subsidies, jet subsidies, and the mega farm and pharma subsidies that are killing America.


      • JC

        Nope! Wrong as usual, liberal moron…
        It’s “Corporatism” and it lives on BOTH sides of the aisle.



  • Linda Eppinger – Texas

    It is estimated that a high percentage of many school district students are illegal immigrants. Our particular school district estimates as many as 55% might be illegals. My property (school) taxes are way to high, if they got rid of these “students” my taxes would be one half as much. Where is ICE, they should be able to backtrack from these students to their homes and deport the whole nest. If there are 55% illegal students, it stands to reason that probably 75 % of those families are getting some form of assistance . (food stamps, unemployment, aid to dependent children, etc.) Lets take that money we are spending and pay the national debt — SCHAZAM– no need to raise the debt ceiling, or cut programs for “Real Americans”.

    • kodster

      Good point, Linda… now, whatta ya going to do with the school board, etc., who sets the policy to allow these illegals into the school, the principal who fails to enforce the registration process, and allows these students in, so that they can keep the dole money coming in, to pay for the schools? Therein lies the complicity. It boils down to one very important sin: GREED!

      • eddie47d

        Linda; There is no way that your school taxes would drop in half. Maybe under 5% if even that.

    • karolyn

      Drop in the bucket!

      • JC

        Yeah…if that “bucket” is the American economy…its already got too many holes in it. Throw them out!

        • Robert Smith

          Or get a better bucket.

          Reminds me of the melting pot.

          Seems to me a lot of American history has been forgotten.


          • JC

            Your right Robert.
            But a “better bucket” will not be forth coming under this administration. They are printing money like its going out of style, businesses are shutting down or moving out, unemployemnt has never been higher and is increasing daily…

            We can no longer afford to be kind and generous.
            We can’t even support ourselves.

          • Robert Smith

            We can’t support ourselves because the Bush administration set things up so the oil subsidies and tax cuts for the rich, 2 wars, etc. are bankrupting us.

            Get the current batch of neocons who hijacked the Republican party out so Goldwater Republicans, real conservatives, can get back in and fix America.


          • JC

            HAHAHA…Is THAT ALL you’ve Got?
            LMAO…yeah right.
            What about this Kenyan Prick and the 24/7 printing presses destroying the nations economy? Oh that’s right…it’s ok when its YOUR “deity.”
            Bite me moron…

      • Texas Patriot

        karolyn, my school district’s annual budget is $231,000.000. Your 5% would be $11,550,000 per year. How about you pull out your debit card and just take care of that ‘drop in the bucket’ for us??

        Socialism works fine until you run out of other people’s money. Use your head for something more than an ornament for a change.

        • Robert Smith

          From Texas: “Socialism works fine until you run out of other people’s money.”

          And tax cuts for the very rich work until America is bankrupt.

          Please quit whizzing in my collar and telling me it’s “trickle down.”


          • JC

            For you it’s “foreplay” isn’t it? ;)

  • GRusling

    Go to your Reps and Senators and demand that they comply with our Constitution; and I don’t mean some “interpretation” based on the Progressive, 20th century BS about a “Living Document.”

    Our Constitution was designed and written to be “chiseled in stone” and the 10th Amendment is proof positive that such is the case. No State can legitimately ratify any amendment unless the authority it grants to the federal government has been first granted to that “STATE” government, by its own constitution. That’s not rocket science, it’s common sense. The State of Texas, for instance, could never ratify the 16th Amendment, authorizing the fed to impose an income tax on The People, because the State itself has no such authority! How then could it delegate the authority to another government entity? Simple … it can’t … you cannot grant authority to anyone unless you first have that authority yourself…

    • Robert Smith

      “you cannot grant authority to anyone unless you first have that authority yourself…”

      What part of “We the PEOPLE…” don’t you understand?

      Oh well, I’m surprised that in your eyes we don’t just give up. After all, it’s all your god’s work. Why not just submit to his will and be done with it?


      • Texas Patriot

        Rob, my God is prepaqring a special place in Hell for people like you.

        • Robert Smith

          Texas says: ” my God is prepaqring a special place in Hell for people like you.”

          ROFL… Your god doesn’t have any impact upon me except what his misguided followers try to do.

          PROVE your god is real.

          Oops, can’t be done. Oh well…


          • Jay

            robert: ROFL… Your god doesn’t have any impact upon me except what his misguided followers try to do.

            robert, based on your written words that reveal the fact that you lack the common-sense that God gave to an animal, your statement, therefore, that God has no impact on you is startlingly accurate! But it begs the question: Do you even understand what you just said?

          • Robert Smith

            Yup, you can’t prove your brutal god is actually real. The only thing I can see are his sick extreme right wing followers tryinig to use their imagnary god to bully others.

            It must be terrible to live in fear of your own brutal god.


          • JC

            All in all I’d rather live in a society where that unseen “guy in the sky” gives me free choice. Not where a bunch of unethical, immoral, and seriously challenged in their notion of civil politicians are increasingly telling me what to do. Between the unseen and the in my face everyday elected anointed ones I choose the unseen. If anyone has noticed the elected ones are coming up with more and more restrictive laws on just about everything these days. Making a mockery while doing so, of the idea that America is a free country.
            I’ll take the idea of “God” over Hillary, Reid and the Kenyan Imposter.

          • Jay

            robert: It must be terrible to live in fear of your own brutal god.

            If God didn’t exist, neither would atheists!

  • rulken

    Don’t believe this “DREAM ACT” for one second! If your here illegally then go home and apply legally for a visa. That means get out and get in line like everybody that is being honest in their efforts to come here.
    Really, why the hell would we want anyone that is trying to get,or stay here, illegally!!??

    • Robert Smith

      rulken asks: “Really, why the hell would we want anyone that is trying to get,or stay here, illegally!!??”

      Because these CHILDREN didn’t have any choice. They are different from the illegal parents who brought them here as part of their family. They were brought up in America, they love America, and YOU want to punish them because of their parents.

      How christian of you.


      • Jay

        Robert: They were brought up in America, they love America, and YOU want to punish them because of their parents.

        How christian of you.

        Sadly, robert, those are the repercussions of breaking the law, you cannot have your cake and eat too, but, as a mentally challenged libertard that you are, you will never understand! Let me help you, when legal citizens in America break the law, do their children suffer too? The answer is yes, in fact, both suffer, the parents and the children, and that, by separation due to incarceration! I know, it sucks, and your liberal, bleeding heart, and your liberal, rotting brain, don’t make things any easier for you, now do they?

        • Robert Smith

          Jay claims: ” The answer is yes, in fact, both suffer, the parents and the children, and that, by separation due to incarceration!”

          The kids have STILL not done any criminal stuff.

          And the kids of illegal parents would also suffer the separation with the law breaking parents in Mexico (or wherever) and the kids earning citizenship in America.

          BTW, I think it’s really sad when a parent has to go to jail for having a single joint while the kids suffer. Now there is an example of right wing freedom in America. You didn’t send the kid of the pot user to jail too. How merciful and right wing christian of you.

          BTW, if a kid turns out to be the son of your god are you going to stand at the head of the line to torture him to death so you don’t have to worry about your sins and the sins of your kid? You know, kinda keep the christan tradition of brutality going so you can save your own butt.


          • Jay

            Blame their parents, dumbbell, not the law! You reap what you sow! I know, that sucks!

  • Joe

    Dream act ? More like a recurring nightmare for our country.
    I wish our government would wake up and simply enforce the immigration laws already on the books.

  • Cheryl

    The town I live in is 95 percent hispanic, and of those a majority are not here legally. My son went through the school system here, k-12. Recently we went to a store and the store clerk could not speak English to help us. My son told me the girl had gone through all four upper grades with him, 9-12. You would think going to school here at least four years all of these Dream kids would be able to speak English, wouldn’t you? Can they at least be required to speak the native language to be citizens?

    • Robert Smith

      Cheryl asks: “Can they at least be required to speak the native language to be citizens?”

      Most of the kids who would be impacted by the Dream Act were brought up in America and even speak English without an accent.

      But, I do agree that English sould be our official languae and part of what any new citizen needs to know.


  • Count Peteric

    Back during the veitnam war the ones that came to the U.S. with a green card and went through the military for 3yrs or more was given citizenship for doing thier duty for us.. This practice has going on since WWII.. Now they just want to make it easy for them out of our pockets.. Odumba is the WORSE president since Jimmy Carter… Now how are they (Congress)tring to Fooling……

  • rulken

    Janet Napolitano is a fascist pig, a socialist who only needs a good hanging to make her right!

    • Robert Smith

      Thank you for that fine example of right wing advocacy for violence.


    • Jay

      I would prefer that she, Janet, and all her co-conspiritors receive a good flogging. If you were to hang them, well then, they would be dead and they wouldn’t learn anything, now would they? I am all for, and prefer, re-habilitation!

      • Robert Smith

        Well, that’s a small step up from 45 wanting to shoot druggies.

        BTW, rehab for drug users is far cheaper than jail. MOF many colleges are less expensive than keeping someone in jail.


  • momplayer

    They need to find out how much of the budget shortage is due from supporting illegals and cut them. I don’t care what race you are I firmly believe if “YOU CAN”T FEED THEM,DON”T BREED THEM” I’m tired of seeing school programs cut for american students so they can have bi-lingual teachers. People in dire straights trying to get some help just to feed their kids while the illegal latinos show up in navigators or cadillacs to collect their food stamps. IT”S WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Bob Marshall

    While i have always been against more government interference in our lives maybe a National ID card to prove one is a citizen is the only way. This act has been passed anyway.No card, no citizen. No citizen no government help.How is the 700 miles fence that cost taxpayers millions working out? There is still about 1200 miles of open border. You build a high fence and they dig under spend millions more that we can’t afford to complete the final 1200 miles and again they would just dig under it. You can’t be expected to patrol almost 200 miles of fence. The man power and cost would be unbearable. Not to mention the cost of the drones and aircraft flying along the border. When we consider the number of illegals under this plan would be in college or the military the cost for the taxpayer would be enoromous.I am afraid this would be the straw that broke the camels back1

    • JC

      Bob Marshall says:
      July 1, 2011 at 9:03 am
      While i have always been against more government interference in our lives maybe a National ID card to prove one is a citizen is the only way.

      No way to that…Next would be RFID chips implanted at birth.
      Don’t fall for it…

      • mickey

        This chip is exactly what the government wants. No national ID card. An alien card, yes.

      • Robert Smith

        Some American you are. You don’t even want to carry a card proclaiming yourself to be one.


        • JC

          I have all the ID I need already to prove I am an American.
          And you’re a complete Nazi idiot if you think that somehow…”one more card” is going to improve on that.

          “You’re papers Pleez!”

        • Jay

          Some American you are, robert, abusing your fellow Americans. Shame on you, you sodomite!!!

    • Texas Patriot

      Sounds like an opportunity to create 112,000 good American jobs. Deploy armed guards every 250 yards of that 2,000 mile border, one line at the front and another 5 miles behind them. 28,000 each in 4 6-hour shifts. Equip each one with the best armament and sueveilance technology. Bet the cost of the whole operation would be a drop in the bucket of the 300 billion plus illegals are costing us each year.

  • fozzysmom

    just this week, govnt. officals said that every day, the US accepts HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of NEW imigrents from all over the world. untill we get the US solvent again, ballanced budget, national debt down or gone, untill our econemy is stable again, i belive ALL imagration should be STOPPED, just stop it. we can’t afford them, we do good to afford ourselves. this would be for financial reasons, the moreal(sp) and humaine reasons speek for themselves. our govnt. n prez. think only of themselves, what they want, how it binifits them for their own good, they don’t look past that mindframe. i belive it’s time WE Amaricans start thinking in the same manner, what’s good for us and what’s good for OUR country. the govnt.’s not interested in OUR country as much as they are about themselves. we have to do this. and the govnt. has to STOP funding illigal imigrant groups so they can organize and take us Americians to court to GET amnisty. just this yr. or last, the la casa illigal imigrant group in Maryland, got just under 2 BILLION dollars through the govnt. as cash or grants. this type bull has to stop. ( and they’re woundering where to cut the budget ?? START HERE with these types of MISSUSE of OUR money. STARD HERE ! ) most all this — is a no-brainer. it’s just sickining to watch the govnt. not care about us, the Americans, first. it’s gettin old. thanks

  • Dirk Joubert

    The politicians and advocacy groups who are propagating this idiocy don’t tell you that once these children have citizenship – even permanent residence – they can sponsor their siblings and parents to become legal, whether here here legally or not. This amounts to blanket amnesty for most of the illegals already here.

    Talk about back-door amnesty considering that the original proposed age to qualify is up to 35!

    As for the parents and siblings already here illegally, the requirement that they pay a fine, pay back taxes, and learn to speak English is ludicrous. Who will validate that they have a command and understanding of English? How will back taxes be assessed? There are 12 million illegals here, some who have been here for more than 20 years and still can’t speak English! How gullible to these politicians thing we are? I should qualify that: How gullible do they thing level-headed people are?

    I am in favor of providing legal status for these kids – initially as foreign students, provided that:

    1) They have no criminal record

    2) They have attended school here for 5 years and have actually graduated

    3) They be no older than 18.

    4) They complete – and graduate from – a 4 year degree at a recognized university, or 4 years – and graduate from – at a certified community college, or perform 4 years of active military service. What has been proposed is impossible to validate. Who will certify compliance? Do we have the means and human resources to do so….We are talking about more than 3 million children who may be eligible.

    5) They are not allowed to sponsor parents and siblings for immigration until they are 40 years old.

    6) Pledge allegiance and accept the constitution as the rule of law.

    7) They may apply for green cards after compliance with the above requirements, and have to wait for 5 years before being allowed to apply for citizenship like all legal immigrants.

    That, in my opinion, will be a sensible way to handle the situation.

    • C. R.

      Sorry, but I cannot agree with you. If they are illegals, then let them pay ALL the monies spent on them back to us because we got stuck with the bill while many of our own students could not even get into schools crowded with illegals, nor even afford to pay the tuition but we can find money for illegals, can’t we? Stupid. No way, Jose! Send them back to their own countries well-educated and let them make changes there and stop living off of our hard-earned bucks! They are criminals – there is no other word for it. They know and knew they were illegals and probably all with illegal documentation. Enough is enough. No leeway for crooks and bandits!

      • mickey

        Exactly. No payment, including all educational and welfare support, no amnesty. Let’s not leave out all the police and fire protection we pay. If they can pay $7K to get here, they are not poor.

      • jibbs

        Correct!! High Five!!

  • CaptTurbo

    Amnesty? Absolutely not! Arrest them and deport them.

    Our criminal government is selling us out. They (Obumble mis-administration) need to be brought to justice. Something like a military war crimes panel. Didn’t the crime of High Treason once carry serious penalties? Same goes for all those libtard Senators that he has in his pocket.


    When your parents invade another country and break the laws to bring you here, then why would you believe you have a birthright to remain in this country when there is no such right? You and the rest of your family need to understand the laws you broke.

  • C. R.

    Since I live in a state overrun with illegals and since I lived many years in Mexico, I can state clearly that they know they are illegals but hope we are too stupid to not allow them to stay and spend our money on them. I have a few who knew they were wetbacks, but had the gumption and integrity to go and get rid of their false ID’s and become legal residents and then citizens AND they cannot even read or write. If you are here illegally, you know it but don’t care because we have so many liberals who want you here because it would be unkind to send you back where you truly belong. You can get education and jobs in these countries, you just don’t get the freebies. They are giving us the finger but the Demos want to continue in power and want their votes. Our legal immigrants are against giving this to illegals, but who cares about us or the legal citizens? Obviously, not liberals be they Demos or not. Boot them out, NOW! We cannot afford their arrogance in robbing us and using our monies for them. NOW, is the time to stop the stupidity. Are you listening to us in CA? or the USA? Should do because 2012 is coming and stupidity can be overturned and/or repealed!

  • Iris

    IMAGINE…sending these ‘educated’ people back to Mexico. There they would be heads above the populace and can make the changes to their country that NEED to be made. There are MILLIONS of them. Do you believe for a nanosecond that the Mexicans want them back?

    What a wonderful change could be accomplished. We need to show them what great changes they can make as bright, educated Mexican citizens. Many will wind up being wealthy as they will be so far ahead of the average Mexican and it will all work to the benefit of Mexico AND America.

    Instead of feeling sorry for these people, they have an opportunity to stand out heads above the crowd IN MEXICO.

    • mickey

      Yes, educated Mexicans make quite a bit of money, comparable to US.

  • mickey

    obama says “US military” but I bet he means “brown shirts” and serve on the domestic side. Even at that, obama says we need to learn Spanish, what for, so the military can give orders in two languages?

    My spouse was in the military before VN, with a green card, never offered citizenship.

    One would have to be awfully dumb not to realize they were not a citizen by the teen years. As far back as I can remember, a bc was required for 1st grade, change schools and it would have to be produced again. Somebody had to lie to get them into 1st grade, an accessory.

    My neighbor had a child who thought her stepdad was her real father. When it came time to go to school, my neighbor didn’t know what to do when the bc had to be presented. She had hoped to keep it from the child until she was older. Decisions, decisions.

    If the reform required the host country to pay for education as an out of country student, I might buy that. That is how we study abroad. I know of no country that will educate an American on their dime. Worse, when I studied out of country, I had a student loan which I have to repay.

    I don’t buy they cannot afford their own education, sans welfare, when they are paying (or are we?) a coyote $7k to get here. While Calderon boast he makes more money off the backs of these illegals, via funds transferred, do you think he will give it up and the money stay here with amnesty?

    I think any US citizen that regulary sent money out of the country would set up a red flag, but I guess that is just for US.

    There are too many governments involved in this human trafficking to excuse it as anything else but modern day slave trading.

    LaRaza et al follows the exact same route the original slaves did. I am wondering when the reparations are going to start, just like the Sherrod deal, waving her whitey gestures in front of the NAACP and stealing more of the reparation money for herself than the actual farmers got. What, we are going to pay reparations for Mexico selling us their land?

    NumbersUSA seems to have changed sides with this e-verify. This just puts all US citizens into a national data bank long before illegals. I don’t like this. When I worked for major companies, I had to have a background check for them to keep their bond. For the government, I had a background check clear back to 1st grade.

    As many times as we have had to swear under penalty of perjury, how is it these illegals aren’t going to jail just for perjury? Only in America.

    And what about all that swearing allegience to the US that is being bypassed (legals do)? US kids are being expelled for wearing the offensive US flag shirts to schools with the illegals in them. Flags and demonstrations, paid for by obama, via tax money.

    I think it is a better idea to send welfare back to the states. If states cannot afford the services for these illegals, they will no longer be an asset, voting or otherwise. If a political figure is caught in this human trafficking, they go to jail.

    Birthright was for the original slaves. If the mother was not under the juridiction of the US at the time of the child’s birth, then the child is not a citizen. How many children have we had that were born overseas? Does that make them an automatic citizen of another country?

    I guess until we address the 16th amendment, no law stating we have to pay federal or state taxes, then we will not see the end of this.

    • Bert Cundle

      We don’t have enough resorces to put them in Jail / Prison… BUT we should round them up and put them on a Sinking ship 20 Miles out to sea.

      • eddie47d

        Hopefully you’ll be the captain that goes down with the ship. Bert(Stalin) Cundle

        • Curt


          Are you really that intellectually impaired, or do you get off on seeing how much of a rise you can get out of people?

          • eddie47d

            Pay attention to what Burt said!

          • Curt


            Yes, I did pay attention to what he said.

          • eddie47d

            What can I say your mind must have sunk with his ship.

  • Bert Cundle


  • Crystal

    You don’t feed the neighbors kids before you feed your own. This is just common sense, but this DREAM Act is only to buildup a dying voting block.

  • cae

    Exactly how many times must the majority of our citizens say No to the Dream act and No to amnesty of any kind before those who were voted into office to represent us finally understand that No means No!

    • Bert Cundle

      They act like we gave them the power to Screw us!

  • mickey

    While I just entered the number of people in the household, as required by law, it is interesting the number of questions and answers to the census. The census identified these people, located them, and now we are told they can’t be found? Maybe obama should just bomb the area like he does in other countries.

    How about at the next town hall meeting, hold up a sign that asks “Are you a human trafficker?” Under that, state what slavery is.

    Calderon only encourages his Indios people to come here. You don’t see too many blue-eyed or grey-eyed Mexicans here, like derived from the Spaniards. These illegals are the ones Calderon doesn’t want to support, be it education or welfare.

    Apparently Calderon is waiting for the population explosion to reach CA to the point he can assign a Mexican governor to the state. How’s that for ya?

    Invasion without a shot fired. Sponsorship, obama, et al, both repubs and dems.

  • Joey Biden

    Send illegals home where they belong. We don’t want them here and we don’t need them here. Come here legally and your welcome to stay. We have a legal citizenship process for a reason. Pack em up! Ship em out!



  • Steven

    This country is turning into a dictatorship, let’s round up all the illegal bas/ards and gas them, we can use the Grand Canyon as a mass grave….

    • JC

      How about we round them up and ship them back where they are from.
      It would cost less than one year’s worth of financial support and the Grand Canyon gets to remain pristine.

      • Raggs

        Bullets don’t cost much…:)

        • JC

          And we could put 12 million murdered people where?
          Your yard?

          Lets leave the blood lust out and just ship them out of here…and just for fun, let’s ship them to whatever country we feel like…
          Mexicans to Sweden, Africans to Thailand…and like that!
          Let them deal with it. LOL

    • karolyn


    • Curt

      Not the Grand Canyon. There is a river that provides much needed water that flows through the canyon. I am sure we can find somewhere else.

    • Robert Smith

      Steven posted: ” let’s round up all the illegal bas/ards and gas them,…”

      And folks wonder why I call them the extreme religious reich.


      • JC

        Its as wrong as you Communists…

      • Jay

        robert:And folks wonder why I call them the extreme religious reich.

        Don’t you represent the extreme religious left?

  • steve stefanini

    Legal is Legal. And Illegal is Illegal. I don’t care where you or your parents are from. If you’re here illegally then you should either return to your home or be incarcerated. There are thousands of illegal Brazilians here. The Attorney General of MA washes his hands of the problem and places it in the hands of the INS (or whatever the name is called now). They CANNOT get a legal drivers’ license here so they drive without one. It’s allowed for them to purchase Automobile Insurance without a drivers’ license. So they are insured and driving without a license. Their children are in public schools here that are forced to provide Portuguese (Brazilian) instruction NOT English.

    THROW THEM ALL OUT. If I wanted to stay in Brazil I would not be able to do so without permission. The same should be true for them… Since when does being illegal afford you ANY RIGHTS???

    • ValDM

      Isn’t there some way to determine who those insurers are & out them? I’m pretty sure I can’t buy insurance without my insurer being reasonably assured that the state I live in has deemed me a “trained” driver.

      • Robert Smith

        No lisence no insurence.

        It’s that simple in MA.

        Quit lying about what’s going on.


  • Steven

    When the shooting starts aim for illegals and Politicians…

    • Robert Smith

      How reich wing christian of you steven. Thank you for such a fine example of violence from the extreme right.


      • JC

        And you label and assume to know what he is…because you are a bigot.

      • Jay

        robert:Thank you for such a fine example of violence from the extreme right.

        And you, robert, are a fine example of the insanity and hypocrisy that is characteristic of the left!!!

  • TIME

    I had a dream, I dreamed that the laws of this Nation were upheld.

    I dreamed that when somone wanted to come to this nation they followed the “standard protocol”, rather than breaking the laws of this nation. Only then demanding that the TAX payers give them more stuff for FREE, such as health care, a home a job, and an income as well as a Tellie, and a new Cell phone and a car.

    I had a dream that politicians acted in a mannor that worked for the best benefit of the people who pay them.

    I had a dream that the media acted in a way that was of benefit to the working people who pay tax’s in this nation.
    Rather than what ratings they can get by posting a story of how nasty Americans Tax payers are.
    Or what Political favors the media could get by treating the American Public as little more than dirt on their shoe for an agenda of $$$$$.

    I had a dream that this nation was strong enough to allow insults about them in a ugly mannor, rather than having a bent standard called Political Correctness.
    Afterall Personal liberty and Freedom demand that one be open to what ever happens. That rather than making laws to make the worthless week and insecure feel better about be week worthless and insecure.

    I had a Dream where “Honest and Truthful” people were our leaders, not Criminals that have yet to be cought.

    I had a DREAM that when I voted It was for a good and honest person,> not the lesser of two evils.

    I had a Dream where Freedom of thinking, speaking and acting was the normal method of behavior with all persons within this nation.

    I had a DREAM where all people got along with each other rather than allowing Political Freaks to divide them to get a vote, only to work to enslave the very people who voted for them by way of crazy tax’s and wars in places that Americans don’t belong and making laws that take away their Freedoms and Personal Libertys.

    Then I woke up, and it was 2008 someone became the POTUS who then blocked all his records from his employers.

    As well found that Congress and the Senate were lining their pockets with bribes and acting like thugs in the Mafia with no reguard to the people they swore to protect.

    That the media was out of control and replacing TRUTH with Slander and Lies as well as outright pre frabricated news.

    And the public who pays the tax’s that support all this perversion were beaten down on the floor in tears and bloody from the hard work of supporting the Criminals who have become or Leaders.

    Thats when I understood that our nations life was nearly over its chains of bondage heavy on them holding them down and when the chains of bondage were removed they were then beaten so baddly the chains were no longer needed as the will to survive was gone, as they understood that death was better than being a slave.

    Will you wake up?
    Will you see whats been done?
    Will you act on it to bring this nation back to what it was founded on?

    We don’t need to step back nor get to the back of the bus, nor get out of the way of the Criminals.
    No we need to remove them from office and replace them with
    “TRUE AMERICANS,” color nor religious beliefs nor gender are not the issue’s.

    The issue is to tell the TRUTH, to work for the GOOD of this Nation and to rebuild this nation back to where YOU are proud to say I am an American of Black Hispanic or German or English backround or what ever it may be.
    Not that your a Black American nor a Native American etc..

    I am Free and have the ability to come and go and do as I please, I can make it on my own without the need of BIG Government Criminals telling me what to do and how to do it.

    I don’t need BIG Government Criminals to tell me what laws to follow, I have a moral compass that tells me that whats good is just, and whats evil is just that.

    I had a DREAM. Do you have one like this?

    • mickey

      Yeah, I had that DREAM too. Unfortunately, we have all slept through the years since Reagan.

      I guess when obama thought the internet was his greatest resource he didn’t bank on how much information we have now. Sorta undresses them all.

  • mickey

    If we can have a national database, available on line complete with pictures, of our criminals and sex perverts, why can’t we have the same for illegals? That way ICE has most of its problems solved and can remove the illegals by identification.

    We will no longer have to guess if a person is legal or not, we just look it up.

  • proudwhite

    Great!! TWO years in COLLEGE,or TWO years in the MILITARY. AMERICANS here have to PAY for COLLEGE, and AMERICANS serve more than TWO years when enlisting. AMERICANS will PAY for these ILLEGALS to attend COLLEGE? You know that Anti AMERICAN ==>Aclu<==will take AMERICANS to court, ans SUE for "ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS RIGHTS" for FREE schooling.As for "SERVICE ENLISTMENT", make it FOUR years at least.Also, make sure other nationalities are not DISCRIMINATED against, meaning EUROPEANS should "EQUAL" the number of MEXICANS allowed to become citizens.We don't want a huge number of future Democraps to outnumber REPUBLICANS. Right ILLEGAL O?

  • Charles

    Write your Senators and tell them to vote down the Dream Act. Illegal is Illegal, tell them to have the FBI hunt down the people who brought them here and send the whole damn bunch back to where they came from. Are we a nation of laws or not? It sounds like laws are only made for people who try to do whats right. Most of these people have no allegence to the US> They prove this everytime they have a protest and they start waving the Mexican flag. Get rid of the Illegals, uneployment, and welfare and you will find we have plenty
    of jobs for those who want to work.

    • Robert Smith

      Posted: “Write your Senators and tell them to vote down the Dream Act. Illegal is Illegal,”

      But if the Dream Act is passed then it’s legal for the kids to have a way to right the wrong that was inflicted upon them.

      Don’t you want to see things made right? Why are you working so hard to punish kids for the sins of the parents?


      • JC

        I guess we could change the laws to make murder, rape and armed robbery legal too couldn’t we?
        You’re whole argument is wrong and you sound like a broken record.

  • mickey

    Sort of makes no sense that illegals self identify at their riots and obama, et al, can’t find them.

  • chuckb

    we should ask congress to pass this legislation asap, barry needs the votes and seiu and acorn will not have to sign up all those fraudulent votes. not!

    my dream act would be: line up every bus we can find and send them back to mexico or wherever they came from, those from haiti can have a life jacket and start swimming.

    • karolyn

      A conservative estimate is that there are 1.1 million of them. Do you have any idea of how much that would cost? Impossible!

      • Curt

        Freeze their bank accounts. Seize their assests. Use that money to send them back to where they came from with what they came here with. Nothing.

      • jibbs

        karolyn says:
        July 1, 2011 at 2:11 pm
        A conservative estimate is that there are 1.1 million of them. Do you have any idea of how much that would cost? Impossible!

        1.1 million? where did you get that number? There are at least that many in Illinois, BTW are you really that stupid? I think you say stupid sh^t just to get noticed, due to the fact that if you didn’t, you would have nothing to say worth listening to, and the stupid things you do say make you look even dumber.

        Hey Bob Livingston, why are these people on here? If you read this post and others by Karolyn, you will see what I mean. I joined this blog to learn and share view’s with like minded people, not naive and plain stupid agitators that make rediculous statements. She thinks there are only 1.1 million illegals.whahahaha, omg, lmao, it’s true! these kind of people are out there. Why are they allowed to vote, when they don’t have a clue? I’m real sorry Karolyn, but thats how you make yourself in other people’s eye’s. You have to stop this silly act, or get some education.
        Good Luck

      • Curt


        Your 1.1 million illegals and M.L.’s 13,000,000…that gives 14.1 million. Say 25% of those enlist…that gives 3,525,000 person army. Our, as of 2010 numbers military force was 1,430,895. Our forces would be outnumbered about 2.4 to 1. Even if you factor in just your 1.1 million, that is still one hell of an army.

      • Karolyn

        Jibbs – I didn’t SAY there were 1.1 million illegals. I said there are 1.1 million children who were brought here years ago when they were little.

      • JC

        t would cost nothing compared to what its costing us annually now.

        • Texas Patriot


      • Jay

        Much less then it would cost by keeping them!

      • JC

        Hey if we all donated a tank of gas…no one would even notice the cost. ;)

        • Jay

          For sure JC, I’m in!

    • Robert Smith

      From the reich: ” line up every bus we can find and send them back to mexico or wherever they came from…”

      Unless you are a young Cuban boy named Elián González. He went home to his father and the reich is still screeching about it.

      Seems to be a bit of hypocracy from the extreme reich.


      • Jay

        Speaking of hypocrisy, shouldn’t you be at abortion clinics convincing women to murder their children?

  • M.L.

    The Democrats are treating Americans like fools. The illegal children extends uo 30 years old, and may sponsor their extended families as well. I have spent a lot of time asking Americans of European,as well as other white countries how long has their families been waiting to enter this country legally. The answer was surprising to hear. Most of them said their families should have been here four years ago and are still waiting, to come. The reason wasw that America is overcrowded. I suppose 13,000,000 Mexdicans are much more important.

    • ValDM

      Meanwhile, the O’boy has fast-tracked 80,000 Muslims to immigrate for the last 2.5 yrs. How’s that working for all of us????

      • ValDM

        Should have stated 80,000/yr.

      • karolyn

        Do you have a source to back that up? I have seen it posted, but no one has posted any backup.

        • jibbs

          Do you have a source to back that up? I have seen it posted, but no one has posted any backup
          Do you have a source to back up the 1.1 million illegal mexicans?
          You have never ever provided one soucre for what you say, but are always proved wrong.

        • ValDM

          I will be more than pleased to provide source material for you…….just as soon as you show me the same courtesy regarding some of your dippy comments.

      • Robert Smith

        Sure Val…

        You have sources like that nut job Paul L. Williams who is currently being sued by McMaster University for upwards of $2-Million.

        He claims that Islamic terrorists managed to steal 180 lbs of nuclear material from the McMaster Nuclear Reactor.

        Funny thing about that. Since then the University has gotten an apology from the publisher of Williams’ book “Dunces of Doomsday”.

        The publisher now says that statements made in Williams’ book about the theft are “without basis in fact.” I can’t help but wonder what “without basis in fact” means and then it comes to mind that the extreme reich lies all the time.

        Further, the Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission, has released a letter stating that “We can confirm that there has never been a report of any nuclear material that has been lost or stolen from McMaster’s reactor”.

        So, it’s lie on top of lie from the right.


  • Raggs

    My guess will be …… Boehner will also cave in on this one.


    The Democrat leadership in WA is determined to foist upon John Q. Public the so-called “Dream Act”, which failed to pass during the Lame Duck session last year. President Obama has added his support to the issue by recently giving a speech in Texas, stating that the illegals truly are the “best and brightest” of us! Why then, can’t they fill out the immigration forms to enter the county legally? AND why can’t they abide by our laws, get in line, wait their turn? Really, all we ask is, OBEY THE LAW! The people of America still believe in the American dream, we want others to share in it. But cheating the system isn’t the American dream and that is exactly what the DREAM Act does to American citizens and legal immigrants.

    FURTHERMORE, the DREAM Act is not just an insult to hard-working Americans who play by the rules, but a slap in the face to tens of thousands of immigrants who have come here LEGALLY!

    Proponents of the Act claim the legislation is nothing more than a means to provide a path to citizenship for children of illegal aliens, as long as they attend college or enter the U.S. military.

    The DREAM Act would grant conditional permanent residency to anyone 35 years of age or younger, who entered the United States illegally before their 16th birthday, and are enrolled in at least two classes at a local, taxpayer-subsidized community college. If they complete two years of taxpayer-subsidized classes toward a bachelor’s degree, they can apply for citizenship. Reports are that the Obama Administration has appropriated $44 Billion to pay for this program. Question: Who is going to ensure that applicants actually fulfill the above criteria? More inspectors on the Government dole?

    How can we be assured that among these illegals there are not escaped criminals, drug dealers or U.S . enemies who are being allowed access to our military personnel and possibly its secrets?

    • Robert Smith

      Maxine says: “Reports are that the Obama Administration has appropriated $44 Billion to pay for this program.”

      Reports from the extreme reich are often lies.

      Do you have any viable sources for what you’ve posted?


  • http://msn Kerri

    Stop all of these ways to become a citizen! If they are here illegal they are deported, period. If they are here illegally that means that they have broken more laws than you can shake a stick at. They should be deported and not allowed to ever apply for citizenship.No path, just deport!

    • Robert Smith

      Kerry says: “If they are here illegal they are deported, period.”

      Unless your name is Elián González. Then the reich wants to keep him.

      Religious extremists seem to capture a lot of kids. I remember “The Kidnapping of Edgardo Mortara” by David Kertzer.


      • Robert Smith

        Oops, sorry it wasn’t extremists but the mainstream catholic church.

        Sheesh, so much abuse of humanity by religious organizations.


  • http://google Leonard W. Giddens

    Don’t ever let the camel get his nose under the tent. It is Katie bar the door. They are not our problem.However they have cause up great pain. Send them along with their parents back to where they originated.Your bleeding fuel pump will destroy you. Why can’t people get that through their sap heads?

    • Robert Smith

      Giddens says: “Don’t ever let the camel get his nose under the tent.”

      Tell that to Ronald Reagan who had his own amnisty program.


  • Lyneil Vandermolen

    Don’t be fooled by the claim that the DREAM Act is just for minors. Under its wording, these minors could be up to 30 years old. Once they get their citizenship they can sponsor all their relatives who are also here illegally. It’s just an adult anchor baby ploy for a mass amnesty.

    • Robert Smith

      From Lyneil: ” Once they get their citizenship they can sponsor all their relatives who are also here illegally.”

      And that’s in the bill where? Can you cite a law anywhere that allows such a thing?

      BTW, I’d agree to a Dream Act that forbids the kids from doing what you suggest. After all, it was the parents who did the illegal stuff but the kid shouldn’t be punished because you guess he might do something you don’t like.

      See, in America folks aren’t guilty until they actually do something. These kids haven’t done anything except be brought in. They are as American as many natural born folks I’ve seen.


      • Jay

        robert:BTW, I’d agree to a Dream Act that forbids the kids from doing what you suggest. After all, it was the parents who did the illegal stuff but the kid shouldn’t be punished because you guess he might do something you don’t like.

        See, in America folks aren’t guilty until they actually do something. These kids haven’t done anything except be brought in. They are as American as many natural born folks I’ve seen.

        Bulls**t robert, technically they are still Mexican citizens and so they should be sent back, along with their irresponsible and dishonest parents, and let MEXICO LOOK AFTER THEIR OWN CITIZENS!!!

  • chuckb

    don’t be fooled by another aspect of the dream act, once this legislation is approved, the illegals will have to register, they will be given a naturalization card. this will allow them to get a drivers license and due to the motor voter registration law, they will be able to vote in the next election, just in time to vote for barry.

    • Robert Smith

      Actually that’s just another myth from the extreme reich.

      Proof of citizenship is still required.


  • Templar

    The Dream Act should be more aptly named the Nightmare Act. Increasingly, it becomes apparent that the supporters of this legislation ought to just come out of the closet and openly solicit the hispanic vote, perhaps also devising some method whereby Mr. Calderon and his representatives could take part in our congressional actions, perhaps even “guest” voting…….

    • Robert Smith

      Awww Temmplar you seem to buying into the reffer madness mentality with your bigotry against Hispanics.

      But the fact is (from – “As of 2006, the United States accepts more legal immigrants as permanent residents than all other countries in the world combined.[1] Since the removal of ethnic quotas in immigration in 1965,[2] the number of first- generation immigrants living in the United States has quadrupled,[3] from 9.6 million in 1970 to about 38 million in 2007.[4] 1,046,539 persons were naturalized as U.S. citizens in 2008. The leading emigrating countries to the United States were Mexico, India, the Philippines, and China.[5]”

      As you can see it is easy enough to go to the source material from wikipedia.

      So, there are lots of LEGAL people in America who will vote to allow the kids to not be punished for the sins of their parents.

      BTW, focusing on the Hispnaic population do you realize there are many television networks in Spanish? Telemundo owned by NBC. Univision, Telefutura, Gailavision, Azteca América, LATV, Mexicanal,Multimedios Television, and a bunch more. There’s money in them there immigrents.

      But, that said the Spanish list doesn’t even come close to the religious networks. All of them asking for money. If their god is so powerful how’s come so many are begging for money?


      • Jay

        robert:But, that said the Spanish list doesn’t even come close to the religious networks. All of them asking for money. If their god is so powerful how’s come so many are begging for money?

        Because, these so-called religious organizations are not Christians, true Christians do not beg for money, they work their tails off and earn money honestly, by the sweat of their brow, as the good book commands. The fact that these so-called religious organizations always beg for money, should supply a clue to a liberal such as yourself. These so-called religious organizations are in essence liberal organizations, disguised as religious hypocrites. Is it not in the character of a lazy, fat, libertard, to be begging for money because they’re to lazy to go out and work for it? There you have it robert, your brothers, whom you should recognize, have infiltrated the church and are posing as Christians. But liberals are liberals no matter what disguise they wear. You will know liberals by the fact that their lazy, they beg for money, and they will say, they will do, and will pretend to be anything and everything, just to get it! There, its that simple!!!

  • texastwin827

    The Dream Act is nothing more than an “indirect” amnesty. Once these kids become citizens, they are allowed to apply for legal entry for their immediate family (who are already here, illegally)

    • Robert Smith

      Wow tex, you sure are presuming a lot.

      I’ll bet you think that everyone will somke pot if it’s legal… Well that is except for yourself and your kids.

      You know, I wouldn’t be so sure about your kids. Even illegal pot is really easy to get. You don’t see pushers selling alcohol in school yards.


  • i41

    The Dream Act would be to remove the law like the (word removed) muslim is doing with our laws and start shipping or trailing the fence jumpers and offspring to the border. Or put a bounty on every illegal, no matter what race in the newspaper, not the internet. See how long its takes. Privatize always is cheaper than another government plan. Every illegal costs taxpayers $21,000 a year at least. Give the bounty hunter $5,000 and the reest to the Treasury, great pay back, and simple.

  • Carol

    What does illegal mean anyway?


    • Robert Smith

      Illegal means the law can be changed.

      It’s that simple.

      Why are you punishing kids?


      • Jay

        robert:Illegal means the law can be changed.

        It’s that simple.
        Why are you punishing kids?

        Illegal means illegal and the law does not need to be changed. The U.S., over the years, has allowed millions upon millions of immigrants into its bosom. Additionally, immigrants who wish to come to this country to live as American citizens, MUST, follow legal protocol, and, if they do not, then they must be charged and EXPELLED! There, it’s that simple. Nothing hitlerian about that, you demented liberal schmuck!!!

        Why are you punishing the American tax-payers?

        • JC

          Jay, Robert is just another one of those huggy feely air heads who thinks that there is some sort of bottomless well full of free money that we can solve all the problems of the world with…in other words, he’s an Obamunista.
          I think he should spend every dime he has saving the children of ILLEGALS…after all that’s his choice in a free country right?
          Just stay the hell out of my wallet…I have kids of my own to raise.

  • Janice Fortin


    AMERICANS are gagging and sick to death of being 2nd class citizens while the congress who took a vow to PROTECT AMERICA , Protect a fraud and illegals instead. AS DOES RICK PERRY. I not only will NEVER vote for him or for anyone who votes for amnesty for ANYBODY, but will attempt to change anyone’s mind who plans to. The whole world looks at stupidity of anchor babies and illegals taking American jobs and crapping up the country and then in the end, get citizenship when they deserve JAIL FOR THEIR INVASION OF AMERICA.
    You can hear them snickering “AND WHERE ARE THE BRAINS OF THAT OUTFIT? their congress is sitting on them, gives the 2nd class citizens (Americans) no contest candidate and vote in a fraud. ha ha”

  • Chuck Tomei

    Free education,free medical,free housing,free voting rights.Ship all illegals back to their countries unless they would like to become taxpaying citizens.Why does’nt Congress focus on the spending deficit that is bankrupting this country?There are plenty of legal citizens in this country that would like to go to college and can’t financially.Congress needs to “dream” about shipping Obama back to Kenya.

  • chuckb

    chuck t,
    “unless they want to become tax paying citizens”?

    if that’s the case they would have applied for citizenship in the first place, they along with the bleeding heart bolsheviks thing we stole their country and they think they have every right to occupy this land as they wish. this is the fault of our education system, half the teachers think that is the case. that is not true, we did defeat them in war, however, we also paid them for the land that we captured.
    the communist agitators have stirred up this trouble, the same way they did in mexico, campesinos.

  • Stan Smith

    Take Notes US! Other countries have tougher Immigration Laws when dealing with Illegals They are more tough than US Laws! and US is getting weaker when enforcing Laws!

    Lousy US Govt you may learn something from other countries!

  • chess game

    The only way an illegal alien should be allowed to have a path to citizenship is by spending 3 years at least in active military duty. Showing that they are patriots would be the way to go. Also, any person applying for citizenship should be required to pass the citizenship test in English, and should know something about what it means to become an American citizen, such as learning about the Constitution and civic duties. No more letting people apply for citizenship who do not even know English!

    • Raggs

      Well if thats the case… Why the hell does EVERYONE in our so-called congress refute our consitution?

      I want you to name one that does not!..

      Lets start with the ( ger ) oblama.

  • Janice Fortin

    The NIGHTMARE ACT will only encourage illegals to invade this country with wild abandon……if we stay there long enough, we all become citizens. There is absolutely NO LOGICAL REASONING BEHIND THE DREAM ACT, WHICH IS JUST A PLOY OF DEMOCRATS. If the parents knew in the end ALL WOULD BE RET’D TO THEIR HOME COUNTIES they’d think twice before INVADING AMERICA, TAKING AMERICAN JOBS, AND REAPING
    ENTITLEMENTS FOR YEARS PAID FOR not by THEM, but hard working taxpayers of USA. They already got more reward than any of them deserved. Don’t forget the massacre at Fort Hood. Murderer in USA SINCE BIRTH or born here didn’t make one oz of diff. They’ve already stolen what they wanted from America. Time to pay piper and stop playing America for the fool. Fort Dix was also almost BLACK HAWK dear dear illegals who had been here since childhood. Rewarding potential murderers further is INSANITY.

    • Karolyn

      Oh, like all “patriotic” Americans born here aren’t capable of doing terrible things? Like ALL immigrants are bad news? Like immigrants don’t serve in the military? Where did your ancestors come from?

      • Jay

        Karolyn stated: Oh, like all “patriotic” Americans born here aren’t capable of doing terrible things? Like ALL immigrants are bad news? Like immigrants don’t serve in the military? Where did your ancestors come from?

        What we are talking about here Karolyn is illegal immigration, not whether a patriotic American, or an immigrant, wether legal or illegal, are capable of committing terrible things. Again, we are talking about illegal immigration, which, by the way, is a violation of the United States criminal code, and, therefore, ALL illegal immigrants, are in essence, CRIMINALS!!! Get it?

        • Robert Smith

          Even the darling of the reich: Elián González

          Seems the reich faught to keep him from going back to Cuba.


      • jibbs

        Karolyn says:
        July 1, 2011 at 8:07 pm
        Oh, like all “patriotic” Americans born here aren’t capable of doing terrible things? Like ALL immigrants are bad news? Like immigrants don’t serve in the military? Where did your ancestors come from?

        My great grandparents came here in 1886, they came thru the front door and did it legally. In 1891 they became citizens!! They did not “sneak in” they had more pride than the garbage that try to skate around are laws! Amnesty of any type cheapens the gift that so many stood in line for.

      • Texas Patriot

        karolyn, you are obviously a pimple faced teen getting your jollies with all this attention. go back to your room and finish your eighth grade homework!

        • Robert Smith

          Now there is a cogent argument from the extreme reich against immigration!

          Someone can be accused of having a pimple so punish the kids.

          Nice work, Tex.


          • Jay

            robert:Now there is a cogent argument from the extreme reich against immigration!

            Speaking of cogent arguments, robert, have you read any of yours lately?

  • Janice Fortin

    If congress and the president want a country filled with drug cartel and illegals speaking 100 diff languages, refusing to assimilate or learn English, none of you guys belong in AMERICA. The president,his bitter non proud, all congress who want to vote NIGHTMARES INTO USA,
    TAKE THE FIRST BOAT OUT OF AMERICA. IRAN OR CHNINA and esp MEXICO more your kind. America wasn’t built on communism, parachuting CRAP down the throats of the citizens which we have protection from in our CONSTITUTION. So long anti americans we won’t miss ya one bit. WHEN WE WISH, we will have LEGAL, ASSIMILATING, IMMIGRANTS, who appreciate the freedom of America. It didn’t come easy. They will know that and be as proud of this exceptional country as we are. You think more of foreigners who have NO respect for OLD GLORY, than AMERICANS WHO GIVE THEIR LIVES FOR THAT FLAG, then what in God’s Name is keeping you in a country you wish to destroy and turn turd? GO WITH THE DRUG CARTEL, CRIMINALS AND OTHER SLIME YOU LOVE. DON’T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU ON THE WAY OVER THE SOUTHERN BORDER. GOOD RIDDANCE OF BAD RUBBISH!

    • Robert Smith

      Janice says: “If congress and the president want a country filled with drug cartel and illegals speaking 100 diff languages…”

      If the money is out of the drugs, ie. pot is legal, then the cartels just won’t have much to shoot about.

      Problem sovled. At least that one.

      Now, what do we do with all those nuts from the reich who want to shoot and gas people?


      • Jay

        Robert:If the money is out of the drugs, ie. pot is legal, then the cartels just won’t have much to shoot about.

        Robert, pot? Legalizing pot will not make the cartels go away. The cartels deal mostly in black heroin, cocaine, and illegal immigrants, are you suggesting we make all those legal? You sneaky worm!

  • Jay

    Entering the United States illegally has been a crime since 1929, and federal law affirms that it is a crime to be in this country illegally. In 2006, the U.S. Senate passed legislation authorizing the construction of a 700-mile fence along the Mexican border by a vote of 80 to 19. In 2010, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano announced that she was freezing funding for the Secure Border Initiative Network, effectively abdicating the primary responsibility associated with her office: securing the borders of the United States.

    During a Mexi-fest in the White House, President Obama, who wants to erase the borders, said to Mexican President caldron, “Your business speaks the truth of our time, in North America and the world. In the 21st Century, we are defined not by our borders but by our bonds, so I say to you and the Mexican people, let’s stand together. Lat’s face the future together. Let us work together.”

    While Napolitano and Obama were busy compromising and erasing our borders, Arizona residents were increasingly besieged by illegals crossing their southern border. Mexicans smuggling drugs and illegal aliens into the country were becoming more desperate and violent. Phoenix had gotten the nickname “Kidnapping Capitol of the USA,” and the tragic murder of Arizona rancher Robert Krentz, known as a Good Samaritan for the help he frequently gave to illegal immigrants, finally brought the consequences of the growing lawlessness along the border to a head.

    Tragically, after Robert Krentz was murdered, “deputies and the U.S. Border Patrol agents tracked footprints from the crime scene nearly 20 miles to the Mexican line, border policy critics concluded that the killer must be an illegal immigrant.” The state of Arizona, with the approval of 70% of its citizens, passed its own immigration enforcement law, essentially restating federal law but taking responsibility for protecting the border and monitoring the presence of illegal aliens in the state into their own hands. The response from the left was immediate, loud, and violent. The left has this habit of protesting common sense.

    Those speaking out and protesting against the new law resorted to willful misrepresentations of its contents, insisting that it gave law enforcement officers the right to arbitrarily approach anyone they pleased and demand to see identification. On those grounds, the protestors called those who supported the law racists. President Obama, as he had done the occasion of professor Gates’ arrest, reacted intemperately. Before the bill had even been signed into law and certainly without his having read or been briefed on so much as a single word in the law, the president called it “poorly conceived” and “not the right way to go.”

    Illegal immigration, especially from Mexico and Central and South America is not a new phenomenon. In fact, as far back as the middle of the last century, Chicanos were assuming a racial and cultural identity within the United States that would become a movement which spread throughout the American southwest and California. Anyone ever heard of La Raza?

    La Raza, which is Spanish for “the race,” is now an official organization, not just a nickname. The National Council for La Raza (NCLR) receives tens of millions dollars in federal grants annually. La Raza is a subversive anti-American “Hispanic advocacy” group that is determined to, as its founding documents, EI Plan Espiritual de Aztlan, says, reverse the “brutal gringo invasion of our territories.” Its members have wormed their way into city, country, and state governments, and into schools throughout the southwestern U.S. and California, bringing with them a philosophy that promotes flouting the law in support of its goals. The list of La Raza’s subversive goals is very long.

    First, they favour the abolition of the border between the United States and Mexico as one of the steps to their reclaiming portions of the American Southwest and California from Americans who allegedly “stole” the territory from its rightful Hispanic owners. NCLR and its sister group, MeCha (Movimento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan), have expressed the intention to “liberate” the mythical territory of Aztlan, which stretches from areas occupied by pre-Columbian Indians in Mexico up into the southwestern United States and California.

    Illegal immigration is part of a strategy to enable La Raza to take back territory that it feels was “stolen” from it by the United States. Aztlan is seen as the birthplace of the Aztecs, and it includes California, Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico, and areas in Texas and Colorado. Abolishing the borders between the United States and Mexico to enable illegal immigration into the United States is one of the most effective strategies they propose to work toward that goal. The two groups hate the United States and all that it stands for.

    Antonia Darder, who teaches “cultural studies” at Clement Graduate University, received a standing ovation at an annual La Raza Youth Conference held at ACLU for the purpose of promoting Aztlan culture. She said, “Capitalism is the root of domination. Racism and sexism exist because capitalism requires it…We’re here because U.S. foreign policy in Latin America has forced us here.”

    Another of the critical goals of La Raza is the granting of amnesty for illegal aliens. Achieving this also means working against enforcement of laws to stop illegal immigration. Several groups, including the Red Diaper Doper Babies of the American Civil Liberties Union and La Raza, among others, have petitioned President Obama to drop Immigration and Nationality Act Section 287(g) agreements, which authorize state, country, and city law enforcement personnel to arrest illegal immigrants.

    The incompetent Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano is said to be working on revising the agreements to focus on arresting only illegals who are fugitives from justice. As usual, the Obama administration simply ignores the fact that being in this country illegally is a crime in itself, and our Homeland Security Secretary actively works to bypass the enforcement of federal law, to the detriment of our national security, precisely what Napolitano is charged with protecting.

    Author-Micheal Savage (part1)

  • GregS

    The Dream Act will displace millions of LEGAL CITIZENS in this country by putting them in direct competition for jobs and resources that would be taken by the millions of ILLEGAL ALIENS, who would benefit from it. Contrary to what some people in this forum are saying, it’s NOT about how “productive,” or “hard-working,” or “patriotic,” or “innocent” the ILLEGAL ALIENS are. It’s all about JOBS and RESOURCES!

    NO ONE, who supports the Dream Act, is looking at all the harm it will do to the millions of displaced LEGAL CITIZENS of this country!

  • Wild Bill

    Happiness is an illegal heading South with an oBOMBa administration official and or an oBOMBa supporter under each arm and when the last illegal leaves,the supreme moment of happiness would have him dragging oBOMBa by the scruff of his skinny neck across the border where he,oBOMBa,belongs.

    Wild Bill

  • Brittanicus

    The Dream Act in itself, might be a reasonable law allowing the students of illegal parents, to be permitted to stay in the United States? But the ramifications are more ominous, that once the students have legitimacy they can then start petitioning for family members and that by any other name is CHAIN MIGRATION. It further challenges more people to simply scorn what lax laws we have and just enter illegally. Immediate family members overtime can then bring in even more people, and this has set up a chain reaction. Just like another possibility of yet a second mass amnesty, it always attributes to costs. It has been verified that the 1986 accounting, when the final tally was made that it cost US taxpayers 76 Billion dollars. By the time of a further amnesty in today’s dollars and cents had been calculated, the Heritage foundation assessed such final bottom line of in the range of 2.6 Trillion dollars.

    Now this dollar figure is based on the assumption, that there are only 11 to 12 million foreign nationals in the country, a number based on processing, background checks and an accumulation on other personal data along with medical examinations. But (FAIR) Federation of American Immigration Reform, ( NUMBERSUSA) and thousands of grass root sovereignty organizations have assessed the population figures to well over 20 billion. This is an overwhelming number to consider and a dollar figure to incredulous to even imagine. That would strip any gains against the $14.5 Trillion dollars we owe outside the shores of America. This nation must be entirely thankful to the great State of Arizona, who started this long and dangerous crusade against the tyranny inside the Obama administration that would welcome into America every indigent family from across the globe.

    Stepping forward now the TEA PARTY is the only true way that will elevate this massive debt, placed upon taxpayers by thoughtless politicians. We cannot trust the Imperials in the Republican Party and we certainly cannot trust the undercover far Left, that has impregnated the Democrats. Either party has had their own agenda for omnipotent power of new voters through illegal immigration, or the overall influence from big business to relax laws, so millions can be used for a lesser form of slavery; except in both ideals the programmed taxpayer picks up the unknown estimated cost to support them. In three decades America’s working man/ women has lost a percentage of his wages, to support illegal immigrants. How academia thinks the economy would grow, must live in a delusional world, when nearly every State is burdened by instant citizenship baby laws, which under the current misinterpretation payments of cash to these families, has diluted every treasury.

    Our schools are crammed to capacity, full of the children of illegal aliens, the health system slowly falling apart as more hospitals fail of wanton families to be treated; many of these institutions unable to survive. Then we have the US penal system choked with illegal alien criminals, that is yet another tax hike on the American population. The TEA PARTY is our only remedy as the Congress, have no sense of urgency to the impending financial crash. Perhaps Rep. Michele Bachman of Minnesota, Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky, Sarah Palin of Alaska; all regarded as strong supporters of the ever growing TEA PARTY. Only the TEA PARTY leaders seem to understand the financial predicament we have truly manufactured for ourselves, from the years of corruption within equal parties. The TEA PARTY has astounded both political parties in power, and will release us from the years of rot and poor or intentional mismanagement to gain favor with open border lobbyists. The TEA PARTY Has sworn to the major majority of the American people, no new amnesties of any kind, which includes the dismantling of Sanctuary cities and towns, no dream Acts or anything assigned to foreigners who broke our stagnant laws.

    To accomplish this task we must insist our government implement mandatory E-Verify and Secure Communities, which will track down both illegal workers and criminal illegal aliens. There must be no compromises, but that Congress should enforce these laws, without interference from the open border zealots or the elitest groups discount labor.

    You should also introduce yourself to the people who run this devastated country at the Senate—202-224–3121/ House—202-225–3121 and tell them it’s time to depart of fight for the American taxpayer.

    • Bert Cundle

      Thanks for the Ph. #s…

  • Douglas

    Before Ronny Reagan opened the flood gates for these people the US policy was very different. I urge those who are interested in furthering their education on this subject to Search the words: “Operation Wetback”. Apparently there were 3 Op Wetback round ups. Look how “politically incorrect” that wording is these days. Very interesting reading!

    • eddie47d

      Oh Yes the good old days of entrenched racism where anything against anyone else was perfectly acceptable.

      • Jay

        That was a non-sensical statement, eddie, typical of a liberal. You equate enacting and enforcing immigration laws with racism? Well then, according to your convoluted logic, all criminals, irrespective of crime committed, should be allowed to forgo due process. Liberalism is a disease, and you eddie, are sick indeed!

      • cae

        When libs have no facts, no logic they cry racism. Let us look at facts..1..we cannot afford to support these people and their children
        2. There are not enough jobs and our concern should be for our
        citizens and those who came here legally.
        3. The so called dream act does not require people finish school as they can drop out due to hardship
        4. The high age limit would allow garbage like that piece of garbage texas just executed to become citizens
        5. There is no provision against them sponsoring extended family members which means more people for us to support
        6. While the media likes to show the few..and it is few…who do really well in school ect..the majority do nothing but produce children to collect benefits for and many are in fact criminals
        7 Their loyalty is not for this country proven by the execution in Texas this week where the last words were…Viva Mexioo…shouted twice by the condemned man who was brought to this country at the age of 2.
        8. The 16 yr old girl who had been very brutally raped, tortured and then murdered was Mexican American and when we arrest, imprision or execute these animals who mostly attack their own kind we are in fact doing the hispanic community a favor by making them safer while we are called racist and you in effect are calling them stupid people who are good only to serve your political purposes.
        9. When I see black americans giving speeches where their views are conservative Democrats say things like they can t believe a black man can hold republican views.,which means that Democrats are so racist that they cannot accept the fact that a black man can form his own opinions and stand up for his own beliefs and must instead stay with the slave mentally of yes master whatever you say
        10 As Independents my family and I voted for Obama and will not vote for him again because he is destroying our country not because of his skin color which it appears we didn t notice when we voted for him. So as far as I can see the Real racists are the Democrats who insist on harping on skin color while the rest of us are capable of looking past color and at what is best for our country and our fellow citizens of all colors!

  • Bert Cundle


  • Jay

    So, what?…Obama will only grant amnesty to 7 million? 9 million? 10 million illegal aliens?

    As I have said before…We will be told that granting citizenship to such a large group of people at once will be a tremendous boost to our tax base, and end our exploding budget deficits.

    Of course, the vast majority of illegal aliens do not now, nor will they ever make enough money to even qualify for income taxes, they will simply join the 48 percent of Americans who currently pay nothing and our National Debt will continue to soar.

    The real reason Obama wants to grant amnesty to the mostly Hispanic population, is to secure the vote that they would then have as American citizens. Obama believes that doing so would assure Democratic control of the White House and Congress for the next several generations.

  • Jay

    What has happened to liberals in the past 50 years? A quick perusal of the news each day shows a clear pattern of anti-American behavior by liberals. We read of liberal behavior today that would have appalled American liberal statesmen like John Kennedy and even Patrick Moynihan. While liberals of 50 years ago stood for generous social programs and higher taxes for the rich, we never doubted their love of America. Today, it is difficult to believe otherwise!

    It is clear liberals view America as evil, hateful and a problem for the world. They curse and ridicule traditional values that made America grow from once-poor colonies to the world’s greatest superpower in a few hundred years.

    Obama has made it very clear his strategy to win the 2012 election is class-warfare. What a pitiful example of gutter politics! He and the Democrats have set their sights on the ‘evil rich’ with private jets. How many people who make $250,000 per year have private jets? My guess is less than zero! And the super-rich who do own private jets pay the vast majority of taxes in America already…plus give jobs to those in the jet industry! Yet, liberals have made the over-taxed Americans making over $250,000 the target of their class hatred!

    The Dims have shown they are wedded to huge deficit spending and laugh off any serious attempts to get spending in line. The demagoguery of the left has reached epidemic proportions with statements of “throwing Grandma off the cliff” and Republicans “declaring war on women” appearing in the propaganda media each day. Even patriots in the tea party movement who call for free markets, fiscal responsibility and the rule of law are labeled as “right-wing extremists” and “teabaggers” by their leaders!

    Our President and Justice Department have sued American states trying to protect themselves against the huge danger and expense of illegal immigration. Those states are out of money and cannot financially support millions of illegals anymore. But the federal government has chosen to ignore immigration laws and reward those who have willfully broken our laws to benefit from a government that won’t enforce its laws. What other country in the world has open borders and rewards illegal aliens with free healthcare, education, food stamps, and welfare?

    Democrats and their liberal friends in the environmental groups have long kept us from drilling our own energy because of desert lizards or other airy excuses that don’t hold water. Meanwhile, the overburdened American worker is paying nearly $4 for gasoline, further sapping their ability to provide for their families. Not to mention the billions we send each year to anti-American oil producing countries that seek our destruction! They must not have desert lizards in the Middle East or Venezuela!

    Somewhere along the line, liberals lost their understanding of what made America America. Our country was not built by victims leeching off of the taxpayer. It was built strong and wealthy by producers who worked hard, sacrificed and took responsibility for themselves to give their children a better America. We now have saddled future generations of Americans with trillions of dollars of debt.

    America will not survive if we do not get back to the traditions and standards that made us strong. Moochers must be returned to producers. The rule of law…every law…must be respected. Entitlements that have produced the tremendous debt burden must be drastically curtailed. And liberals in America must once again return to patriotism and pride in an America that has done so much good for the world.

    • GregS

      As usual, well said Jay! I especially like the part about the jets! It really shows what an idiot we’ve elected to run this country, when he dwells on such things.

  • Jay

    The public relations campaign for President Obama’s latest revival of “immigration reform” makes one thing crystal clear: This is not, and never has been, about homeland security. This is not, and never has been, about economic security. It’s about political security, plain and cynical.

    In conjunction with Tuesday’s renewed White House push in Texas for a “new pathway to citizenship” for millions of illegal immigrants, disgruntled Latino activists are ratcheting up their radical anti-enforcement rhetoric. Illinois Democratic Rep. Luis Gutierrez — a persistent critic on Obama’s left flank — lambasted federal workplace enforcement raids this weekend. On Sunday, he repeated his hyperbolic attacks on homeland security agents “terrorizing” neighborhoods and ripping babies from the breasts of nursing moms. Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano made no public effort to defend her employees.

    On campuses across the country, unhappy ethnic college student groups have turned up the heat on Democrats to resurrect the “DREAM Act” nightmare for the 12th time in a decade. The legislation — persistently rejected by a bipartisan majority on Capitol Hill — would provide illegal aliens (not just teenagers, but students up to age 35) federal education access and benefits, plus a conditional pass from deportation and a special path toward green cards and U.S. citizenship for themselves and unlimited relatives.

    Obama argues that his comprehensive amnesty plan would boost America’s bottom line. But the open-borders math doesn’t add up. The Congressional Budget Office score of the last DREAM Act package estimates that “the bill would increase projected deficits by more than $5 billion in at least one of the four consecutive 10-year periods starting in 2021.” And that doesn’t include the costs of the unlimited family members the millions of DREAM Act beneficiaries would be able to bring to the U.S. A separate cost analysis by the Washington, D.C.-based Center for Immigration Studies concluded that the illegal alien DREAM Act bailout would cost taxpayers $6.2 billion a year and “crowd out” U.S. students in the classroom.

    To help gloss over those sobering realities and blur the lines between legal and illegal immigration, Obama summoned Latino celebrities such as actresses Eva Longoria and Rosario Dawson. The starlets — deemed important “stakeholders” in the immigration policy debate by the celebrity in chief — have served as glamorous distractions from the vocal complaints of Southwest governors, ranchers, farmers and other victims of continued border chaos. These are the real stakeholders whose lives and livelihoods are at risk. But none had a seat at the Hollywood-filled table.

  • Jay

    Sen. Sessions: New DREAM Act is Worse than Before, NumbersUSA, July 1, 2011

    Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.), who serves on the Senate Judiciary Committee, has issued a statement highlighing 10 things Americans need to know about the newly introduced DREAM Act. On Tuesday, the Senate Immigration Subcommittee held its first ever hearing on the DREAM Act, but few Senators were in attendance because of conflicts with other committee meetings and votes on the Senate floor.

    In the release, Sen. Sessions said that the bill “would offer amnesty to over 2 million illegal aliens” and according to the Congressional Budget Office would add “more than $5 billion to the federal deficit”.

    Sen. Sessions 10 points include:

    1. The DREAM Act Is NOT Limited to Children
    Proponents of the DREAM Act frequently claim the bill offers relief only to illegal alien “children.” Incredibly, previous versions of the DREAM Act had no age limit at all, so illegal aliens of any age who satisfied the Act’s requirements—not just children—could obtain lawful permanent resident (LPR) status. In response to this criticism, S.952 includes a requirement that aliens be under the age of 35 on the date of enactment to be eligible for LPR status. Even with this cap, many could be much older before petitioning for status—hardly the “children” the Act’s advocates talk about. The bill’s 35- year-old age cap on “children” applies only to the date of enactment, and the registration window will remain open indefinitely regardless of future age.

    2. The DREAM Act Will Be Funded On the Backs Of Hard-Working, Law-Abiding Americans
    Proponents of the DREAM Act still have failed to acknowledge previous CBO estimates that its enactment would increase projected deficits by more than $5 billion. But the number is likely to be dramatically higher, as CBO estimates failed to account for a number of major cost factors with the DREAM Act, including increased unemployment of U.S. citizens, public education costs, chain migration, litigation and fraud. Nor did the CBO account for what history has proven: passing amnesty will incentivize even more illegality and lawlessness at the border. In addition, the CBO assumed a large portion of those who receive amnesty will obtain jobs, but there is no surplus of job opportunities. According to a June 2011 Report by the Center for Immigration Studies, the employment situation for U.S.-born workers and citizens who are young and less-educated – those most likely to compete with illegal aliens – is already bleak, with unemployment rates for those who have not completed high school at 34.6 percent.[1] Furthermore, previous scores failed to account for those who cannot get jobs because of this competition and will claim unemployment benefits.

    In addition, DHS/USCIS will have to process DREAM Act applications (applications that would require complex, multi-step adjudication) though S.952 accounts for no fees to handle processing. This increased burden would require either additional Congressional appropriations, or for USCIS, a primarily fee-funded agency, to raise fees on other types of immigration benefit applications. This would unfairly spread the costs of administering the DREAM Act legalization program among applicants and petitioners who have abided by U.S. laws and would force taxpayers to pay for amnesty.

    Though the DREAM Act does not mention fees, the CBO previously assumed all illegal aliens will pay a $700 fee to submit an application. USCIS, however, recently implemented a formal process whereby fees can be waived for hardship. It is likely that most of those petitioning for status under this bill will fall within a hardship exception and not pay any fees at all. Taxpayers would also be on the hook for federal benefits the DREAM Act seeks to offer illegal aliens, including student loans and grants, and states would be on the hook for in-state tuition for illegal aliens.

    3. The DREAM Act Provides a Safe Harbor for Any Alien, Including Criminals, From Being Removed or Deported If They Simply Submit An Application
    Although DREAM Act proponents claim it will benefit only those who meet certain age, presence, and educational requirements, amazingly S.952 protects ANY alien who simply submits an application for status no matter how frivolous. The bill forbids the Secretary of Homeland Security from removing “any alien who has a pending application for conditional nonimmigrant status”—regardless of age or criminal record—providing a safe harbor for millions. Though the bill requires a modest “prima facie” showing of eligibility, this is the lowest standard of legal proof and could likely be satisfied by the alien’s signature. This loophole will open the floodgates for applications that could stay pending for many years or be litigated as a delay tactic to prevent an illegal alien’s removal from the United States. Such delays will increase the number of those released on bail and will increase the number of absconders. The provision will further erode any chances of ending the rampant illegality and fraud in the existing system.

    4. Certain Inadmissible Aliens and ALL Deportable Aliens, Including Those From High-Risk Regions, Will Be Eligible For Amnesty Under The DREAM Act
    Certain categories of criminal aliens who are inadmissible to the United States will be eligible for DREAM Act amnesty, including alien gang members. The DREAM Act allows the following illegal aliens to be eligible for amnesty: alien absconders (aliens who failed to attend their removal proceedings), aliens who have engaged in document fraud, aliens who have falsely claimed U.S. citizenship, and aliens who have been unlawfully present in the United States, even after being previously removed.

    The exemption for fraud is particularly troubling because it creates a potential loophole for unknown terrorists who have defrauded immigration authorities—as was the case with the 9/11 hijackers. At the same time, limited federal resources that are better utilized tracking down such fraud will have to be directed towards reviewing potentially fraudulent claims on millions of DREAM applications. Making matters worse, the DREAM Act allows all aliens subject to deportation, including criminals and terrorists, to be eligible for amnesty.

    5. Certain Criminal Aliens—Including Drunk Drivers—Will Be Eligible For Amnesty Under The DREAM Act
    Certain categories of criminal aliens can qualify for status under the DREAM Act. The bill includes a 1 felony/3-misdemeanor rule, similar to the 1986 amnesty rule. As a result, criminal aliens who have less than 3 misdemeanor convictions will remain eligible for legal, permanent status through the DREAM Act. Some misdemeanors can be extremely serious, such as driving under the influence, certain drug offenses, gang activity, some charges of sexual abuse of a minor, assault and battery, and even prostitution.

  • Jay

    The clear purpose of the DREAM Act is to provide lawful status to millions of illegal aliens by deceiving the citizens of our nation through a cleverly designed campaign to mask the intention of the proposal and to also see in the empathy and compassion of the citizens of our nation a weakness that can be exploited.

    The very name of the proposed legislation “DREAM Act” was clearly carefully selected to conjure up the image of the “American Dream” that has served as a beacon for immigrants from around the world and also served as an inspiration for countless American parents who, in watching their children sleeping in the cribs an beds at night who dared to dream about the greatness their children might attain in their lifetimes!

    The American Dream was the concept that in the United States anyone could grow up to be President or attain other lofty goals that were well beyond the grasp of their parents. The American Dream enabled each generation to aspire to excel beyond the achievements of their parents and then live up to those aspirations!

    The American Dream is what made America- America!

    First of all, it must be noted that deceptive language has been employed in this legislative nightmare. The DREAM Act is an acronym for:

    Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act.

    Whenever I have spoken about the various aspects of the immigration crisis confronting our nation, my opponents often pointed out that I should not use the term “alien” saying that this word is the equivalent of the “N” word. (In point of fact, the term alien is a legal term that is defined by our nation’s immigration laws as simply being any person who is not a citizen or national of the United States. There is no insult here, only clarity- something the open borders/pro amnesty advocate attempt to avoid at every opportunity.

    However, in order to conjure up the image of the “American Dream” the advocates for this bill dropped their opposition to this term and incorporated it into the acronym. The bill also uses the term “Minor.” This is another bit of verbal subterfuge. According to the version of the bill that the House of Representatives just approved, aliens who would not have turned 30 years of age by the time the bill would be enacted would qualify to participate. How could anyone with a straight face claim that a 29 year old adult is a “Minor?”

    It is astounding that even as proponents of the DREAM Act talk about how just it is for illegal aliens to aspire to and ultimately achieve the American Dream for themselves, this dream is becoming ever more unattainable by the citizens of our nation and their children!

    It has been estimated that one in five or perhaps one in four American children do not get enough nutrition each day!

    It has been estimated that one in six American families now live below the poverty line!

    It has been projected that this is the first generation in the history of our nation that will have reduced levels of expectation of success than their parents’ generation had!

    Meanwhile the advocates for the DREAM Act deceptively talk about how this legislative betrayal is aimed at helping “young immigrants.”

    In point of fact we must go back to what I noted above, aliens as old as 29 years of age would be able to participate in this program. In fact, it is entirely possible that aliens even older than 29 years of age would be able to benefit from this program and here are the three reasons why:

    1. Aliens who acquire lawful status under the DREAM Act would be able to immediately bring the spouses, who may be older than 29 years of age into the United States with their children.

    2. There is a provision for broad waivers which would waive grounds of ineligibility for aliens. Here is the language of the waiver as it is contained in the DREAM Act bill that was passed by the House of Representatives last week:

    (2) WAIVER- With respect to any benefit under this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security may waive the ground of inadmissibility under paragraph (1), (4), or (6) of section 212(a) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1182(a)) and the ground of deportability under paragraph (1) of section 237(a) of that Act (8 U.S.C. 1227(a)) for humanitarian purposes or family unity or when it is otherwise in the public interest.

    3. Finally we come to the real issue of greatest concern- the fundamental fact that there would be virtually no way of verifying the information contained in the applications filed by aliens seeking to participate in the DREAM Act. At present fraud is a major issue for USCIS (United States Citizenship and Immigration Services), the agency of DHS that would administer the implementation of the DREAM Act and the adjudication of the millions of petitions that would be filed by the aliens who would seek to participate in the DREAM Act. How do you determine if an illegal alien is 29 years of age or 32 years of age or 34 years of age if he (she) claims to have used multiple identities and there are no resources to conduct full field investigations into the facts presented on applications filed by illegal aliens? How would you begin to determine when these millions of applicants actually entered the United States? How would our officials determine if the alien applicant really enter the United States ten years ago or ten months ago?

  • JC

    From AMERIPAC:

    Homeland Security officials LIED to Americans and Congress when they tried to downplay an incident that resulted in the dismissal of hundreds of illegal immigration cases!

    The Obama Administration created a backdoor amnesty program by allowing illegal immigrants to remain in the United States!

    Newly released records, obtained through a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request, show a series of internal memos from Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) saying that the chief counsel in Houston, TX ordered attorneys to review all new and incoming immigration cases and thousands that were already pending and to dismiss any that did not meet the agency’s “top priorities.”

    This essentially allowed hundreds of illegal immigrants to remain in the U.S. Most of these illegal immigrants had been in the United States for years, and just because they didn’t commit any serious crimes, they were allowed to stay.

    Got that? You can come to this country illegally but as long as you stay hidden a couple years and don’t commit any serious crimes you can stay.

    Does this administration not understand the LAW?

    The emails show that top attorneys at ICE headquarters in Washington, D.C. last summer approved these dismissals. They also show that ICE offices across the country were encouraged to only target dangerous criminals – and to let any other illegal alien stay without penalty.

    The records show that the memo sent out calling for these dismissals was secretly rescinded – once the story broke, of course. That’s right, after people found out that the Obama administration had created a backdoor amnesty program, they recalled their position in order to try and cover it up.

    ICE officials then tried to claim that the dismissals only affected a very small portion of illegal immigrants; the ones with pending green card applications.

    Unfortunately for ICE, the documents show that, without a doubt, the agents in Houston were allowed to dismiss any case they felt like, including cases involving immigrants with misdemeanors. Jessica Sandlin, Senator John Cornyn’s press secretary told reports (emphasis added):

    “It now appears that DHS attempted to mislead the public and Congress on its policy of directing dismissals of cases against criminal aliens. After this failed attempt at stonewalling and obstruction of the public’s right to know, the truth is now coming out.”

    We want every member of Congress to stand with Senator Cornyn and his press secretary and force ICE leadership to testify before Congress about this massive cover-up.

    Internal records show that the Houston ICE office was praised by supervisors at ICE headquarters in D.C.

    Immigration court data shows that the number of illegal immigration cases dismissed nationally grew by 40% last year, with several courts across the country reporting major increases.

    Of course, the left applauded these case dismissals as a “common-sense measure,” but of course, that’s hogwash. These illegal immigrants should have been deported, and the backdoor amnesty prompted protests from members of ICE, who accused the administration of straying from its core mission to enforce the nation’s immigration laws.

    Tre Repstock, president of the Houston ICE union, believes the agency might have put innocent, law-abiding Americans in danger by releasing some cases of illegal immigrants who have criminal records. Mr. Rebstock was just as concerned about the cover-up conspiracy.

    “As law enforcement officers, we are held to a higher standard than the public because we have the public’s trust,” he said. “And then they go and stand up in front of the Senate and throw all of their credibility out of the window when they say, ‘Oh no, we weren’t doing this. This wasn’t our policy.’

    “They did it,” Rebstock said. “And then they lied – or misrepresented the truth, at the very least – about what they were doing.”

    It doesn’t matter whether these illegal immigrants were violent or not. The fact is they were breaking the law by being in this country illegally, and when their cases were brought before ICE, they should have been deported.

    The fact that this agency allowed these people to stay in this country, knowing full well that they had broken the law to get here, is a backdoor amnesty scheme.

    We can’t allow this agency to get away with this. They must be investigated and brought to justice. By ignoring these illegal immigrants, they not only failed to do their duties as an immigration enforcement agency, they also failed to protect the lawful citizens of this country from criminals.

    Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano tried to dismiss this whole case as a “miscommunication.”

    But we’re not buying it.

    Barack Obama and his amnesty-loving cronies couldn’t get the DREAM Act passed so now they’ve found away to create a BACKDOOR amnesty program. If they hadn’t been caught, who KNOWS how many more illegal aliens would have their cases thrown out and been allowed to stay in America.

    The safety of the American people – the legal American people – is at stake. Some of these illegal aliens had criminal records, do you want them living in your neighborhood? The fact is that just being in this country illegally should be enough to get someone thrown out, but thanks to Obama and ICE, that’s no big deal.

    If they had things their way, all of Mexico would be allowed to just walk across the border and get welfare.

    America can’t afford that.

    Americans don’t want illegal aliens leeching off of lawful taxpayers and driving up the cost of services. ICE made a BIG mistake by dismissing these cases, and now they need to answer for their crimes.

  • Ron

    Illegal is Illegal is Illegal and the numb nuts just don’t get it. Any politico that is for it needs to be voted out of office. We could clear up a lot of problems by impeaching obama for incompetency.

  • chuckb

    jc, the admin. understands the law, they also understand these are manufactured votes for the muslim in chief.

    • JC

      Absolutely right.
      They don’t give a damn about the country…just the next election.

  • jibbs

    Karolyn says:
    July 1, 2011 at 8:04 pm
    This is the third time I’m posting it.

    Nice try, but I would have to say that est. is is low and falls way short of the true number. Beside’s, illegal means illegal.

  • jopa

    Georgia passed an immigration law and it chased many of their farm workers to other states.Now their fruits and crops are rotting away in the fields and orchards with no harvesters.I believe it was North Carolina that had seen the dilemma and passed their own immigration bill patterned after Arizona’s however their bill exempted farm labor.It seems as though America does need the farm workers that are here illegally since the people out of work refuse to do the temporary jobs provided by American agriculture.We seem to not be able to live with them and can’t live without them.

    • Jay

      BULLSH*T, nothing but a fabrication! Nice try jopa, you are a simpleton and a liar!

      • eddie47d

        Where was the lie? Are you heading down to Georgia to pick those crops or are you all “factual smoke”.

        • Jay

          Are you?

        • JC

          What proof did “jopa the commie” provide that ANY of it was true?
          The usual…None!

  • GregS

    Hats off to JC and Jay for your extremely informative posts! This is information, which definitely needs to be passed on to others. Rest assured that I’ll be bookmarking this page for future reference!

  • chuckb

    jopa, maybe they should try putting those able bodied ones on welfare to pick the crops.



  • Charles

    For once I agree with you the illigals do the farm work that Americans
    won`t do. If the Americans,the unemployed, won`t do the work, then let them starve. This is only for the people healthy enough to work.
    To bad the people to-day didn`t live through the great Depression.You
    and I where to young ,but our fathers remember, the good old WPA. You either worked or you and your family didn`t eat. We along with our goverment learned to take care of ourselves. You worked for whatever the goverment gave you, you didn`t set on your ass and strictly let
    the goverment take care of you. I saw in the paper where a women in Minasota was up in arms because she didn`t get her state check for
    her and her 6 kids of 3,600.00 a month and this is just state money,
    God only knows how much she gets from the feds and local orginizations. Where are the father of these kids or should I say fathers? It`s a shame a person on welfare makes more money than a lot of people working. If this women is healthy enough to have 6 kids,then
    she is healthy enough to go to work on one of these farms. There is a
    thing called day care in this country and is funded by our goverment
    so these people can go to work.No workee, no payee.>>>>

  • Charles

    Jay, You sauy 1 in 6 familes don`t have enough to eat. I say hog wash.
    Put them to work on the farms picking the crops that the illigals are
    doing. I will tell you one thing, they would never go without food

    • Jay

      For sure Charles, and thanks for pointing out that which the liberals refuse to see. But be careful, insisting that families on welfare should get off their lazy butts and actually work for a living, will get you into hot water with the libertards in a hurry! The idiotic comment by jopa, “Now their fruits and crops are rotting away in the fields and orchards with no harvesters”, is nothing more then a feeble argument in favour of allowing for illegals to stay and do the work that our legal but unemployed citizens could and should be doing!

  • Jay

    Immigration Statistics

    1. 40% of all workers in L.A. County (L.A. County has 10 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This was because they are predominantly illegal immigrants, working without a green card.

    2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

    3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

    4. Over 2/3′s of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

    5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

    6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

    7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

    8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

    9. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking.

    10. In L.A.County 5.1 million people speak English. 3.9 million speak Spanish (10.2 million people in L.A.County). (All 10 from the Los Angeles Times)

    Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops but 29% are on welfare.

    Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration.

    The cost of immigration to the American taxpayer in 2007 was a NET (after subtracting taxes immigrants pay) $70 billion a year, [Professor Donald Huddle, Rice University].

    The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average adult Mexican immigrant is a negative.

    29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.

  • jopa

    It is true crops are rotting in the fields in Georgia due to the lack of immigrant workers.I was really surprised that the farms were paying $11,00 an hour and they still couldn’t get the help.There are thousands of people out of work in Georgia on welfare and unemployment that could pick these crops.If they are able-bodied they should be in the fields.Enough of these handouts when work is available.When I was ten years old I picked strawberries and potatoes for the local farmers and never thought nothing of it.That’s just the way it was back then in the early 60s.I wasn’t making a feeble argument for immigration , I was just telling it like it is.

    • JC

      Why should they work? They’re getting welfare.
      See how that works?

    • Jay

      There are thousands of people out of work in Georgia on welfare and unemployment that could pick these crops.If they are able-bodied they should be in the fields.Enough of these handouts when work is available.

      Why didn’t you not include this in your earlier post, are you now backtracking because we flushed you out?

  • jopa

    JC:Whats that stand for-Just Clueless!You know what they say about the shoe.Have a good one.

    • JC

      Very witty Jopa, too witty for you…who writes your stuff? lol

      • Robert Smith

        Who writes yours? I suspect it’s samurai.


        • Jay

          Compare to you, robert, jopa is a genius!

        • JC

          No Robert, but I wouldn’t mind if he did. He’s an American.
          Unlike yourself.

  • jopa

    Jay: Google “Georgia crops rotting” and there will be plenty of proof and various articles for you to read.Then you will realize you were flapping your gums in vain.

    • Jay

      There is no reason for the so-called crops to be rotting on the ground when we have 42 million unemployed Americans, you simpleton! We don’t need 10 million illegals to harvest the crops. Your lame argument, that by expelling illegal immigrants will result in crops rotting on the ground without pointing out that we already have a rather robust, available workforce, is just that, lame, like your liberal rotting brain!

      • JC

        Exactly Jay.

      • Robert Smith

        But the crops are rotting, as I posted with with citations you can to to yourself.

        I wonder why when I put more than one link in a post it’s claimed to be “pending?”


        • Jay

          Because your a dumb azz and you’re not supposed to paste multiple links in your post!

  • Jay

    The nation’s television screens many days recently have been filled with scenes of huge crowds carrying the colorful green and red flag of Mexico viewers could well have thought it was a national holiday in Mexico City.

It was instead, downtown Los Angeles, Calif., although the scene was recreated in numerous other cities around the country with substantial Mexican populations. Hordes of Mexican expatriates, many here illegally, were protesting the very U.S. immigration laws they were violating with impunity.

    They found it offensive and a violation of their rights that the U.S. dared to have immigration laws to begin with.

Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa mounted the podium, but any hopes that he would quiet the crowds and defend the law were soon dashed. Villaraigosa, himself, has spent a lifetime opposing U.S. immigration law.


For law-abiding Americans without knowledge of the dark side of our current illegal immigration crisis, all this is unfathomable. For those who know the truth about the “La Raza” movement, these demonstrations were a prophecy fulfilled.

It is past time for all Americans to know what is at the root of this outrageous behavior, and the extent to which the nation is at risk because of “La Raza” — The Race.

    There are many immigrant groups joined in the overall “La Raza” movement. The most prominent and mainstream organization is the National Council de La Raza — the Council of “The Race”.

To most of the mainstream media, most members of Congress, and even many of their own members, the National Council of La Raza is no more than a Hispanic Rotary Club. 

But the National Council of La Raza succeeded in raking in over $15.2 million in federal grants last year alone, of which $7.9 million was in U.S. Department of Education grants for Charter Schools, and undisclosed amounts were for get-out-the-vote efforts supporting La Raza political positions. 

The Council of La Raza succeeded in having itself added to congressional hearings by Republican House and Senate leaders. And an anonymous senator even gave the Council of La Raza an extra $4 million in earmarked taxpayer money, supposedly for “housing reform,” while La Raza continues to lobby the Senate for virtual open borders and amnesty for illegal aliens. 

    Radical ‘Reconquista’ Agenda 

Behind the respectable front of the National Council of La Raza lies the real agenda of the La Raza movement, the agenda that led to those thousands of illegal immigrants in the streets of American cities, waving Mexican flags, brazenly defying our laws, and demanding concessions.

    Key among the secondary organizations is the radical racist group Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan, or Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan (MEChA), one of the most anti-American groups in the country, which has permeated U.S. campuses since the 1960s, and continues its push to carve a racist nation out of the American West.

One of America’s greatest strengths has always been taking in immigrants from cultures around the world, and assimilating them into our country as Americans. By being citizens of the U.S. we are Americans first, and only, in our national loyalties.

This is totally opposed by MEChA for the hordes of illegal immigrants pouring across our borders, to whom they say:

”Chicano is our identity; it defines who we are as people. It rejects the notion that we…should assimilate into the Anglo-American melting pot…Aztlan was the legendary homeland of the Aztecas … It became synonymous with the vast territories of the Southwest, brutally stolen from a Mexican people marginalized and betrayed by the hostile custodians of the Manifest Destiny.” (Statement on University of Oregon MEChA Website, Jan. 3, 2006)

MEChA isn’t at all shy about their goals, or their views of other races.

    Their founding principles are contained in these words in “El Plan Espiritual de Aztlan” (The Spiritual Plan for Aztlan):

”In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal gringo invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlan from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny. … Aztlan belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. … We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlan. For La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada.”

    That closing two-sentence motto is chilling to everyone who values equal rights for all. It says: “For The Race everything. Outside The Race, nothing.”

If these morally sickening MEChA quotes were coming from some fringe website, Americans could at least console themselves that it was just a small group of nuts behind it. Nearly every racial and ethnic group has some shady characters and positions in its past and some unbalanced individuals today claiming racial superiority and demanding separatism. But this is coming straight from the official MEChA sites at Georgetown University, the University of Texas, UCLA, University of Michigan, University of Colorado, University of Oregon, and many other colleges and universities around the country.


  • Jay

    DREAM Act nightmare: 2.1 million future Democrat voter recruitment drive

    By Michelle Malkin • November 19, 2010 12:20 PM

    Let’s be clear.
    The open-borders progressives’ “DREAM Act” is an electoral nightmare. It’s not just an illegal alien student bailout. It’s a 2.1 million future Democrat voter recruitment drive. The “path to citizenship” dangled by Obama is a superhighway to generations of big government-birthed, identity politics-nursed dependents.

    Misguided Republicans have supported illegal alien amnesties dating back to the Reagan era. And they have paid a steep, lasting price. As bankrupt, multiculti-wracked California goes, so goes the nation. The progs’ plan has always been to exploit the massive population of illegal aliens to redraw the political map and secure a permanent ruling majority.

    Illegal alien DREAM Act radicals have coopted civil rights language and tactics — they’re staging hunger strikes across the country now — to cast themselves as “victims” while they cut in front of the line.
    Where are all the Republicans who talked tough on border security to get themselves re-elected?

    Shame on John McCain. Shame:
    On Wednesday, six undocumented youth staged an all-day sit-in in Arizona Sen. John McCain’s D.C. office to try to force the senator to give a statement of support for the DREAM Act, which he’d cosponsored in the past. Late in the day, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid announced that he plans to introduce the DREAM Act as a stand alone bill.

    The day ended with four arrests and no such statement from McCain, but McCain heard their message loud and clear.

    So loudly and so clearly, in fact, that he attempted to make a side-door exit to avoid confrontation with the students. Matias Ramos, a DREAM activist and founding member of United We DREAM, a group that’s organizing to win passage of the bill, said the group of young people only managed to snag a quick exchange with McCain because they chased him down a hallway as he tried to exit one of his office’s five doors.

    “We’d like to serve the country. Will you support the DREAM Act and allow us to serve?” Ramos said Gaby Pacheco, one of the activists asked him. “Good, good, go serve the country then,” Ramos said McCain replied, before sliding into a senators’ elevator and being whisked away.

    DREAM activists have targeted McCain three separate times in recent years with sit-ins in his Phoenix and D.C. offices, but Wednesday marked the first time activists were able to see him face to face.
    McCain was not always so afraid to face DREAMers. In fact, he cosponsored the 2003, 2005 and 2007 versions of the DREAM Act. It wasn’t until after his failed 2008 presidential bid, and then his bruising primary against J.D. Hayworth this summer, that McCain started turning in on himself…

    Yes, Soros open-borders Republican and former best friend of La Raza-turned-tough-on-borders John McCain is still a fence-sitter. Here’s the current DREAM Act Senate fence-sitters scorecard and phone numbers again.

    The open-borders lobby never lets up. Neither should you:

    SEN. JOHN MCCAIN 202-224-2235; 480-897-6289: Staff says he “hasn’t made a public statement” and “hasn’t made up his mind.” He talked a tough border security game to get re-elected, while promising illegal alien activists he would “resolve their issues.” (Refresh your memories here.)

    SEN. OLYMPIA SNOWE 202-224-5344; 207-874-0883: Staff says she “hasn’t released a statement.”

    SEN. SUSAN COLLINS 202-224-2523; 207-945-0417: Staff says she “hasn’t released a public statement.”

    SEN. LISA MURKOWSKI 202-224-6665; 907-271-3735: Staff says she’s “still reviewing the bill.”

    SEN. JIM WEBB OF VIRGINIA 202-224-4024; 703-573-7090. Staff says “he hasn’t made a public statement.”

    SEN. KENT CONRAD OF NORTH DAKOTA 202-224-2043; 701-258-4648. Staff says “he hasn’t released a statement.” Conrad has voted against the DREAM Act in the past.

    SEN. BYRON DORGAN OF NORTH DAKOTA 202 224-2551. He voted against the DREAM Act in the past. Staff says he “hasn’t taken a public position.”

    SEN. MARK PRYOR OF ARKANSAS 202-224-2353; 501-324-6336. He voted no on the DREAM Act cloture vote in September. Staff says he is “likely” to vote no again, though he hasn’t made an official public statement yet.

    SEN. JON TESTER OF MONTANA 202 224-2644. Staff says he has voted against the DREAM Act in the past and “he will probably vote against any bill that has amnesty in it.”

    SEN. MAX BAUCUS OF MONTANA 202-224-2651. He has opposed the DREAM Act in the past and is a “likely no” again in this session.

    SEN. CLAIRE MCCASKILL OF MISSOURI 202-224-6154. She opposed the DREAM Act in the past and staff says she has made no statement changing her position otherwise.
    IBD nails it:
    This is an amnesty bill. Under it, illegal aliens who enter this country before the age of 16 and have successfully evaded the law for five years are given conditional green-card status that can later be converted to regular green cards. They are required to complete two years of college or military service.
    Then green cards can be acquired for the parents who brought their children here illegally. And once they’ve been granted citizenship, they can bring all their relatives to the U.S. Those who’ve waited patiently, and legally, for their green cards will still have to wait while the open-border parade passes them by.

    These are not children who were born here after their parents sneaked past the Border Patrol; the argument there is that birthright citizens shouldn’t be punished for the sins of their parents. No, these are children who were born elsewhere and smuggled in before their 16th birthday.

    To reward this illegal behavior would encourage more to come, and there is no shortage of human smugglers in Mexico who would be happy, for a fee, to assist. The smuggled and their families, of course, would be eternally grateful.

    “A lot of this is about demographics,” says Sen.-elect Rand Paul, R-Ky. “If you look at immigrants from Mexico, they register 3-to-1 Democrat, so the Democratic Party is for easy citizenship and allowing them to vote.” But what about the people who wait patiently overseas and break no laws to get here? No citizenship for you!

  • Jay

    How Mexico treats illegal aliens
    by Michelle Malkin
    Creators Syndicate
    Copyright 2010

    Mexican President Felipe Calderon has accused Arizona of opening the door “to intolerance, hate, discrimination and abuse in law enforcement.” But Arizona has nothing on Mexico when it comes to cracking down on illegal aliens. While open-borders activists decry new enforcement measures signed into law in “Nazi-zona” last week, they remain deaf, dumb or willfully blind to the unapologetically restrictionist policies of our neighbors to the south.

    The Arizona law bans sanctuary cities that refuse to enforce immigration laws, stiffens penalties against illegal alien day laborers and their employers, makes it a misdemeanor for immigrants to fail to complete and carry an alien registration document, and allows the police to arrest immigrants unable to show documents proving they are in the U.S. legally. If those rules constitute the racist, fascist, xenophobic, inhumane regime that the National Council of La Raza, Al Sharpton, Catholic bishops and their grievance-mongering followers claim, then what about these regulations and restrictions imposed on foreigners?

    – The Mexican government will bar foreigners if they upset “the equilibrium of the national demographics.” How’s that for racial and ethnic profiling?

    – If outsiders do not enhance the country’s “economic or national interests” or are “not found to be physically or mentally healthy,” they are not welcome. Neither are those who show “contempt against national sovereignty or security.” They must not be economic burdens on society and must have clean criminal histories. Those seeking to obtain Mexican citizenship must show a birth certificate, provide a bank statement proving economic independence, pass an exam and prove they can provide their own health care.

    – Illegal entry into the country is equivalent to a felony punishable by two years’ imprisonment. Document fraud is subject to fine and imprisonment; so is alien marriage fraud. Evading deportation is a serious crime; illegal re-entry after deportation is punishable by ten years’ imprisonment. Foreigners may be kicked out of the country without due process and the endless bites at the litigation apple that illegal aliens are afforded in our country (see, for example, President Obama’s illegal alien aunt — a fugitive from deportation for eight years who is awaiting a second decision on her previously rejected asylum claim).

    – Law enforcement officials at all levels — by national mandate — must cooperate to enforce immigration laws, including illegal alien arrests and deportations. The Mexican military is also required to assist in immigration enforcement operations. Native-born Mexicans are empowered to make citizens’ arrests of illegal aliens and turn them in to authorities.

    – Ready to show your papers? Mexico’s National Catalog of Foreigners tracks all outside tourists and foreign nationals. A National Population Registry tracks and verifies the identity of every member of the population, who must carry a citizens’ identity card. Visitors who do not possess proper documents and identification are subject to arrest as illegal aliens.

    All of these provisions are enshrined in Mexico’s Ley General de Población (General Law of the Population) and were spotlighted in a 2006 research paper published by the Washington, D.C.-based Center for Security Policy. There’s been no public clamor for “comprehensive immigration reform” in Mexico, however, because pro-illegal alien speech by outsiders is prohibited.

    Consider: Open-borders protesters marched freely at the Capitol building in Arizona, comparing GOP Gov. Jan Brewer to Hitler, waving Mexican flags, advocating that demonstrators “Smash the State,” and holding signs that proclaimed “No human is illegal” and “We have rights.”

    But under the Mexican constitution, such political speech by foreigners is banned. Noncitizens cannot “in any way participate in the political affairs of the country.” In fact, a plethora of Mexican statutes enacted by its congress limit the participation of foreign nationals and companies in everything from investment, education, mining and civil aviation to electric energy and firearms. Foreigners have severely limited private property and employment rights (if any).

    As for abuse, the Mexican government is notorious for its abuse of Central American illegal aliens who attempt to violate Mexico’s southern border. The Red Cross has protested rampant Mexican police corruption, intimidation and bribery schemes targeting illegal aliens there for years. Mexico didn’t respond by granting mass amnesty to illegal aliens, as it is demanding that we do. It clamped down on its borders even further. In late 2008, the Mexican government launched an aggressive deportation plan to curtain illegal Cuban immigration and human trafficking through Cancun.


  • jopa

    Jay: I have been to Mexico on many occasions and encountered no problems whatsoever amigo.You have such an unwarranted fear of our friends from across the border.I was just at Taco Bell the other day, nicest people you would ever want to meet.I met my friend Juan’s uncle and Aunt Chilada.Great folks.You must learn to diversify in other cultures in order to have a better understanding of the world.Adios for now Amigo.

  • Jay

    You’re a lying scumbag jopa, and the worst spin doctor to boot, and you, and we, know it! Btw, I’m not your amigo! Also, you dumbbell, we’re not talking about nice people that can be found all over the world, what we are talking about, booby, is illegal immigration, perpetrated on the Americans and the American economy, but for the purpose, to destabilize, rob the American citizens of wealth, and garner secure votes for the illegal immigrant in-cheif obama! Btw, I have been to Mexico on many occasions and had no problems, but, it should be mentioned, I was there as a tourist, on holidays, respecting the law of the land, and, when it was time to leave, guess what?, I did just that!!! I didn’t hide in the country trying to stay illegally, mooching off the mexican taxpayers. There is a difference between being a temporary tourist and leaving the country when it is time to go, and without breaking the law, then trying to enter the country illegally, breaking the law, and mooching off of hardworking taxpayers, you SIMPLETON! What do nice people in Mexico have to do with the issue we are discussing, moron? Btw, try immigrating illegally to Mexico and see what happens to you, the nice people you mentioned, will kick your sorry lazy behind back to the U.S. with no questions asked! it will not be VERY NICE! Adios for now Simpleton!

    • Jay

      More Hypocrisy: How Mexico Handles Its Own Illegal Immigration

      How are Central Americans treated in Mexico?

      Soberanes has reported that Central American and even Mexican migrants in Mexico are subject to abuse at the hands of police and military personnel, and that immigrants are detained in municipal prisons.

      According to Soberanes, “the Mexican government mistreats ‘indocumentados’ that cross its territory, it keeps them in jails, in overcrowded conditions, many times without food, without medical attention and overall, violating their human rights.”

      Mauricio Farath, another CNDH official, reported that in some Mexican states, Central Americans “go to the municipal jails, where they stay for days and weeks. In some small rooms there are dozens of them and they do not separate the men and the women.” [CNDH: Aquí se criminaliza a los ilegales, Victor Ballinas Enviado, December 21st, 2005]

      Later, Jose Luis Soberanes put it this way

      “We demand that they [Americans] treat us well, and we are incapable of treating Central Americans well.”

      [Exigimos que a nosotros nos traten bien, y somos incapaces de tratar bien a los centroamericanos.] (Presidente promete ‘pelear’ por los paisanos by Jose Luis Ruiz, Universal, March 29th, 2006)

      In 2005, Mexico detained 240, 269 illegal aliens in its territory. Of that total, 42% were from Guatemala, 33% from Honduras, with most of the rest being from El Salvador.

      All three of those countries are poorer than Mexico (more on that later).

      I recall some years ago in the state of Quintana Roo in southeastern Mexico. There were quite a few Guatemalans on the bus I was traveling on. At a checkpoint, the Guatemalans were unceremoniously yanked off the bus and their papers rifled through. It seemed like an everyday occurrence.

      Mexico is certainly within its rights to control its own immigration policy. Mexico has the right to detain and deport illegal aliens. (For that matter, Mexico has the right to expel legal aliens if it so desires).

      According to Mexico’s Ley General de Población, Article 123, illegal aliens can be fined and sentenced to up to two years in prison.

      “Se impondrá pena hasta de dos años de prisión y multa de trescientos y cinco mil pesos, al extranjero que se interne ilegalmente al pais. ”

      Usually though, they’re just deported, as Article 125 allows. [PDF]

      The Mexican immigration agency is the INM—Instituto Nacional de Migracion). But it is not the only agency that enforces immigration law. The Mexican military helps. And so do local Mexican police. In fact, by law, all Mexican police, regardless of unit or level, are required to enforce immigration law.

      (On that point, we could surely learn from Mexico).

      Enforcing the law is one thing, abuse of authority is another. And that’s what frequently happens to Central Americans in Mexico. The illegal aliens are victims of both corrupt authorities and private criminals. Corrupt officials often shake them down for bribes. Some are robbed, raped or even murdered. Not much is done about it.

      In a recent AP piece Mark Stevenson reports that

      “Undocumented Central American migrants complain much more about how they are treated by Mexican officials than about authorities on the U.S. side of the border, where migrants may resent being caught but often praise the professionalism of the agents scouring the desert for their trail.” [Few Protections for Migrants to Mexico, AP April 19th, 2006]

      Most illegal Central Americans enter Mexico to pass through to the United States. But some stay and seek work in Mexico. Some Mexican employers now prefer Guatemalans to Mexican workers. (Guatemalans doing work Mexicans won’t do?)

      Just to put things in perspective, consider the economic differences between Mexico and most of her Central American neighbors.

      Mexico’s GDP per capita is $10,100 (higher than the world average of $9,300.) Here, in descending order, is the GDP per capita of each Central American nation:

      Costa Rica $10,100 , Belize $6,800 Guatemala $5,200, El Salvador $5,100,

      Honduras $ 2,800, Nicaragua $2,400

      As you can see, except for Costa Rica, which ties with Mexico, all the others have a lower GDP per capita than Mexico.

      Another useful socioeconomic barometer is the UN’s Human Development Index (HDI) which takes into account life expectancy, education and adjusted real income. The list goes from #1 Norway to #177 Niger, the U.S. is #10. Mexico comes in at #53 (a better score than some eastern European countries).

      Mexico’s Central American neighbors, with one exception, have worse HDI scores than Mexico: Panama (56), Belize (91), El Salvador (104), Honduras (116), Guatemala (117).

      Among Central American nations, only Costa Rica, at #47, scores higher.

      (Isabel Lyman is a VDARE.COM friend and home school activist and her parents came from Costa Rica).

      So with the exception of Costa Rica, all the Central American nations are poorer than Mexico.

      There are even illegal alien flows between the Central American nations. Costa Rica has its own illegal immigration problem with illegal aliens from Nicaragua. And when I visited Belize, I met an illegal alien from El Salvador.

      We always hear how Mexico is poorer than the U.S: Well, most Central American countries are poorer than Mexico. It doesn’t stop Mexican authorities from detaining and deporting their citizens, does it?

      What about profiling? Recently near Mexico City, police shot Mexican construction worker Robert Lugo. Because Lugo had dark skin and work clothes, the police mistook him for a Central American. (Mexican police kill man in illegals raid WorldNetDaily, April 19th, 2006

      Several years ago, I wrote a VDARE.COM article about seven Mexican Indians who were mistaken for Guatemalans, imprisoned for 10 days, and almost deported to Guatemala.

      Illegal alien stories regularly appear in the Mexican media. Here are a few recent ones:

      In Chiapas a few months back, local police were chasing Guatemalan illegal aliens. They shot an illegal and his Mexican smuggler (both lived). Fifteen illegal aliens were detained. [Balean policies a inmigrantes guatemaltecos Siglo, Feb. 13th, 2006]

      In a tragic accident in April, 80-85 Central American illegal aliens were riding in a truck which crashed into a trailer (both drivers and some of the illegals fled the scene). Known casualties: 9 of the illegal aliens died, 16 were wounded. [Mueren nueve indocumentados en acidente en Chiapas, 26 April 2006, Universal]

      A 15 year old illegal immigrant girl from El Salvador arrived to a Mexican metropolitan area and wound up working as a prostitute. Her pimps kept control of her by threatening to report her illegal status if she didn’t do what they said. Finally, she was fed up with her harsh treatment and sexual abuse. She escaped and turned herself into immigration authorities. The immigration authorities imprisoned her, incommunicado, in a cell in the basement of a government building, with a man as her roommate. The press didn’t discover it for two months. [Siglo – Mantienen incomunicada a una salvadoreña By Luis Alberto Morales Cortés, April 30th, 2006]
      Now this ought to win some kind of award for sheer chutzpah: Bush, Fox and Canada’s Harper recently met at a summit in Cancun.

      Fox was both agitating for Mexican illegal aliens in the U.S. and boasting about fighting illegal immigration in Mexico:

      “On our southern border, we are very active in patrolling, in construction of [immigration] stations, to stop the illegal migrants that enter Mexican territory and return them to their country, always with full respect for their human rights.”

      “En la frontera sur estamos muy activos en el patrullaje, en construcción de estaciones para detener a los migrantes ilegales que entran a territorio mexicano y regresarlos a su país, siempre con el pleno respeto a los derechos humanos”, dijo Fox. [Privilegian la seguridad en Norteamérica Natalia Gomez Quintero y Jose Luis Ruiz Universal, March 31st, 2006]

      So why is it good if Mexico controls immigration and bad if the U.S. does?

      So, while demanding rights for Mexicans illegally in U.S. territory, Mexico defends its own territory by detaining illegal aliens from countries poorer than Mexico. Many Mexican officials abuse these illegal aliens.

      And yet, you don’t see Central American illegal aliens marching through the streets of Mexico, demanding their “rights.”

      You don’t see the governments of Guatemala and Honduras meddling in Mexican internal politics.

      Why not?

      Because they all know that Mexico wouldn’t tolerate it.

      But up north, Uncle Sam tolerates illegal aliens in the streets demanding legalization and constant meddling in U.S. politics by Mexican officials.

      No wonder they don’t respect us!

  • Jay

    Do you know how Mexico treats their illegal aliens from their southern borders?

    Overcrowded cells, denial of food and water and disregarding individuals judicial rights is how Mexico’s human rights agency describes the way Mexico is treating illegal aliens it is catching from Central America. While Mexico continues to decry the way Mexican illegal aliens are treated (cable TV, legal representation and actual food and water!) in America, they continue to treat illegal aliens from other countries like animals. In the largest case of irony Mexicans don’t like illegal aliens because they are taking their jobs and increase crime in the areas they settle in.

    The report said immigration agents held as many as 78 people in four cells designed for five people each in Hermosillo. Most of the detainees were Guatemalans, followed by Hondurans and Salvadorans. The commission’s inspectors said there was not enough drinking water or blankets to go around, the toilets lacked water, and detainees were forced to sleep on the floors of of the cells.

    Additional Details
    The commission’s inspectors said there was not enough drinking water or blankets to go around, the toilets lacked water, and detainees were forced to sleep on the floors of the cells.

    One detainee at the Caborca jail reported that he and six other migrants were denied food and water from 8:30 p.m. to 5 p.m. the next day.

    Mexico’s constitution guarantees the right of free travel to its citizens, meaning Mexican authorities cannot stop their countrymen from crossing into the United States. But they are free to detain illegal border-crossers from other countries, and the United States has been urging them to do so as part of efforts to boost its own border security.

    Many Mexicans empathize with these Central American travelers. But other people, especially in southern states like Chiapas, fear that Central Americans will eventually begin settling in Mexico and taking Mexicans’ jobs. They also are worried about crime brought by the Mara Salvatrucha, Central American gangsters who control the immigration routes.

    Also see my entry from October 2004 Mexicans Sick And Tired Of Illegal Aliens Taking Their Jobs And Committing Crimes where these quotes appear:

    “They come to work, but they stay and cause problems.”

    “Sometimes they arrive and they don’t even speak Spanish. And they end up begging in the streets.”

  • Jay

    A poem written by an ILLEGAL ALIEN from Mexico!?

    I come for a visit, get treated like a king, so I stay, who cares if I am illegal. Cross the border poor and broke, take a bus, to visit customs…what a joke!.

    Nice man treat me good in there, say I need to see IRS man, get SS# for benefits, then I go to welfare woman. She say you no need to come down here no more, we send cash to door. Welfare checks, they make me wealthy. Medicare, it keeps you healthy. By and by, I got plenty money. Thanks to American working dummy.

    Write to friends in Motherland, tell them to come as fast as you can. They come in bus and chevy trucks, I buy big house with welfare bucks. They all come, we live together. Some say they no like the weather.

    Fourteen families all move in, neighbors patience growing thin. Finally white guy moves away, I buy his house and then I say, find more aliens, house I rent, in the garden I put a tent. Send for family, they just trash, but they all draw more welfare cash. Everything is much good, soon we own da neighbourhood.

    We have hobby, its called breeding, welfare pay for baby feeding. Kids need dentist? Wife need pills? We get free, we got no bills. American crazy, he pay all YEAR, to keep the welfare running here. We think America damn good place, too damn good for white man race. If they dont like us they can go…. lots of ROOM in Mexico!

  • Jay

    This might as well be a declaration of war by Mexico. They are getting very desperate as Americans fight back against the criminal invasion from the south.

    Mexicans just can’t obey and respect American laws and sovereignty. That is the very definition of a hostile nation and Mexico should be treated accordingly, by ALL U.S. citizens. Why does Mexico need to sue States that enforce immigration law, when the Obama Administration is out there doing it for them?

    Mexicans protest against Alabama’s new anti-illegal immigration law

    Tom Ramstack
    Washington, D.C., United States
    June 10, 2011 02:55 pm EDT

    Outrage continued Friday in Mexico a day after Alabama’s governor signed the toughest law in the United States against illegal immigration.

    The law would impose criminal penalties on employers who hire illegal immigrants, give local police broad powers to arrest anyone they suspect of entering the United States without a visa and compel public schools to check the immigration status of students.

    Mexico’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs issued a statement expressing “deep concern” over Alabama law HB 56. The statement said the law could violate the civil rights of Mexicans.

    “Besides criminalizing the phenomenon of migration,” the law’s provisions “open the door for the improper application of the migration law by local police,” the Mexican Foreign Affairs Ministry statement says.

    Other provisions of HB 56 make it illegal to knowingly rent housing to illegal immigrants and prohibit businesses from claiming tax deductions on wages they pay employees who lack work permits.

    “This is a jobs-creation bill for Americans,” said Alabama Rep. Micky Hammon, a Republican who was sponsored the bill.

    Supporters of the anti-immigrant laws won a major victory last week when the Supreme Court ruled that a 2007 Arizona law that imposes penalties on employers who hire illegal immigrants is constitutional.

    However, the Mexican Foreign Affairs Ministry said HB 56 “does not recognize the important contributions of immigrants to Alabama society and this country, nor is it consistent with the vision of shared responsibility, mutual respect and trust under which the governments of Mexico and the United States have agreed to conduct their bilateral relations.”

    An estimated 11 million illegal immigrants live in the United States, according to the Pew Hispanic Center, a nonprofit advocacy organization. About 120,000 of them live in Alabama. (Many estimates say 25-30 million).

    Mexican government officials said they would try to keep their (illegal) citizens informed about the law and offer them legal assistance, regardless of their immigration status.

    The Mexican government’s hint of legal action is part of a growing activism among Latin American countries against states that crack down on illegal immigration.

    On Tuesday, 14 Latin American countries joined in an amicus, or friend-of-the-court, brief to oppose a Utah law against illegal immigration. They filed the brief in U.S. District Court in Salt Lake City.

    Like the Alabama law and others in Arizona and Georgia, the Utah law empowers local police to arrest illegal immigrants and withholds public services from them.

    The Utah law was enacted March 15 but a federal court issued a stay May 10 to block enforcement of it until there is a final ruling on its constitutionality.
    The amicus brief from the Latin American countries argued the law was unconstitutional because it could lead to racial profiling of Hispanics.

    The brief was filed on behalf of the governments of Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Ecuador, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua, Paraguay, Peru and Uruguay.

    Opposition to the state anti-immigrant laws also is rising among liberal activists in the United States.
    Sixteen states have failed to approve anti-immigrant laws.

    The Southern Poverty Law (Lie) Center, a civil rights group, said the Alabama law was unconstitutional and lured the state “into a costly trap.”

    In addition to high legal costs to defend the law, the state would lose “millions more in lost tax revenue from Alabama businesses that will bear the brunt of boycotts of Alabama goods and services and lost sales to documented and undocumented immigrants who flee the state rather than deal with racial profiling and the state’s anti-immigrant climate.”

    The Obama administration has joined critics of the anti-immigrant laws by saying they overstep state authority. Immigration enforcement is strictly a federal government authority, according to Justice Department court documents filed to oppose Arizona’s law.

    The United Farm Workers labor union is warning that prices of fruits and vegetables are likely to rise if low-wage workers who typically are illegal immigrants are not available for the harvests.
    We might pay a couple of cents more for farm products from states that have passed strong immigration laws but the taxpayers will save HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS as well as reap many other benefits such as the lives of citizens when the illegal aliens are out of those states and our country.

    One hundred seven years after Fort Sumter, in the late fall, as I viewed in mounting rage the burning of the American flag in front of the Capitol in Washington, D.C., by pro-Viet Cong communist sympathizers, I realized that, though I was home, the war was not over. I swore vengeance, deciding at that moment that, although the battlefield had changed and rules were different, THE WAR CONTINUES.
    –Louis R. Beam, Jr.

    • JC

      Wow Jay,
      I guess if all those countries have a problem with American law and the Constitution…they should just stay home. What do ya think? ;)

      • Jay

        Yes JC, let them stay in their own freaking country, and there, they can write laws and their own Constitution that they would be happy with. Don’t like our country, our laws, our Constitution? Then stay the hell out, ungrateful, simpering, and whiny, anti-American vermin!!!

  • JC

    Just for fun, the following is very similar if not exactly what I’ve heard many a liberal claim they would like to see…

    We ask that the government undertake the obligation above all of providing citizens with adequate opportunity for employment and earning a living. The activities of the individual must not be allowed to clash with the interests of the community, but must take place within its confines and be for the good of all. Therefore, we demand:… an end to the power of the financial interests. We demand profit sharing in big business. We demand a broad extension of care for the aged. We demand… the greatest possible consideration of small business in the purchases of national, state, and municipal governments. In order to make possible to every capable and industrious [citizen] the attainment of higher education and thus the achievement of a post of leadership, the government must provide an all-around enlargement of our entire system of public education… We demand the education at government expense of gifted children of poor parents… The government must undertake the improvement of public health—by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting child labor… by the greatest possible support for all clubs concerned with the physical education of youth. We combat the… materialistic spirit within and without us, and are convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only proceed from within on the foundation of the common good before the individual good.

    The Nazi Party, Munich, February 1920.

    • Robert Smith

      And then it’s YOU guys from the extreme reich who rellish in the thought of gassing illegals and putting them in the Grand Canyon.

      You know, educating the gifted seems like a good idea. Does that make me a Nazi? I don’t think so.

      But gassing people… Yup, that’s directly attributable to the extreme religious reich from just a couple of days ago.


      • JC

        Hysterical Freak.

  • Jay

    Robert:You know, educating the gifted seems like a good idea. Does that make me a Nazi? I don’t think so.

    If they’re so gifted, then let their own country benefit from their giftedness, we have plenty of gifted, and legally born citizens, who could use a hand-up to develop their giftedness that America would benefit from. Let Mexico look after their own GIFTED citizens, and let MEXICO benefit from their GIFTEDNESS!!! There, SIMPLE!!!

  • jopa

    Jay: You sound so bitter I just hope my buddy Juan’s Aunt Chilada doesn’t see your writings.It would hurt her deeply to see there are Americans that can be so mean after all the hard work they have done picking your fruits and vegetables.If it weren’t for people like her lettuce would be $5.00 a head and the cabbage patch dolls may have never come into existence.

    • Jay

      Bitter? No jopa, just annoyed by liberal idiots such as yourself. And only a delusional and demented libertard such as yourself would consider following proper legal protocol as mean. As for your buddies aunt, tell her that breaking the law is not a good example to set for the children. She should be ashamed of herself!

    • JC

      I have a go friend in Texas, last name Lucio. He ca trace his family history back to the Alamo where his forefathers fought from INSIDE the fort.
      He has black hair, brown eyes and brown skin, but don’t you dare call him a Mexican. He’ll kick the sh*t out of you.

      Guess what? He wants all the illegals out of here too.

      • JC

        “good” friend, is how that should read.

  • chuckb

    jopa, chili today and hot tamale. little spanish lingo i picked up while eating at taco bell.

  • chuckb

    jopa, juans aunt chilada, taught me. she’s gets all wrapped up in her tortillas.

  • jopa

    chuckb; Aunt Chilada, she has picked fruits and vegetables for years and is rolling in dough.She will probably send for the rest of her family now.

  • chuckb

    jopa, it’s good they are picking vegetables, they stay down low and the ins can’t spot them. more relatives coming as soon as they graduate swimming class.

  • jopa

    I often wondered what the stats were for the Rio Grand River, such as water volume and if bull sharks could live in those waters.They could serve as a deterrent for anyone wanting to swim across.I know bull sharks can thrive in fresh or salt water.

  • chuckb

    jopa, there’s no water flowing into the gulf it is diverted for agriculture use. years ago the mouth of the colorado was an area where large fish spawned called totuava, also the large gulf shrimp spawned in that area. when they built the parker dam it cut the flow of water to the gulf. what water went by the dam was used for agriculture purpose. the totuava is now an endangered species. one of the best eating fish in the gulf, and the mexicans have more or less wiped out both species by the heavy trawling. it’s a shame on the mexicans for allowing the commercial fisheries to damage the gulf and of course we helped by building parker dam.
    back in the early 1950′s it was possible to catch these large fish off the beach, up to 200+ pds. if you have never tasted fresh shrimp from san felipe, mex. you have missed a treat.
    the problem, when the trawlers seine for the shrimp they kill something like nine pounds of fish for every shrimp they gather, i may be off a pound or two, however, trawling decimates the fish population, they also netted the totuava while shrimping. the mexicans have decimated the gulf fisheries, with the help of the u.s markets and japan. if you are a sportsman and could have seen the gulf fifty years ago you would be sickened by it now.

  • jopa

    We have pretty much the same problem off the Eastern seaboard with all the Japanese trawlers and long liners coming in.However we are unable to do anything in that they are in international waters.It makes you kinda cringe when you thing of those nets being dragged through the ecosystem and habitat of future generations of fish that will never come to be.They are basically cutting their own throat in using that type of fishing.

  • chuckb

    i’m not an environmentalist by any means, i do appreciate nature and respect the environment. foreign countries like japan, taiwan and russia have set nets, long lines and trawlers working off our west coast,most people don’t have a clue this is going on and ignore it. these people will not stop till the last fish is gone, something like the mexican mentallity. i do side with those that are trying to put a stop to it, however, our dear leader and those in the past still offer a permit for them to do so. this does not taker in to account for all the illegal fishing taking place. we are heading for disaster and over population is the main cause. even the indians along the coastal rivers are damaging the salmon runs, the liberal fish and game dept. turns their head and allow them to take far more than the treaties call for, there is money to be made and that exceeds common sense.

  • Laurie, Haslet, TX

    The Democrats have no intention of passing the Dream Act – its a ploy so they can get illegals to vote for them. If they had any intention what so ever – they could have gotten it passed while they had complete control – just like the budget.

    Amnesty is the carrot they use to get the illegals to show up at Democratic polling places and pretend to be someone they are not so they can vote for the Progressives! Many states have implemented ID checking at all polling places – those who oppose it – DEMOCRATS – because having to produce ID – would mean no more illegals or homeless can vote for them.


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