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Second Republican Signals Support For Comprehensive Healthcare Reform

October 21, 2009 by  

Second Republican signals support for comprehensive healthcare reform Media reports suggest the tide may be turning in favor of the Democrats’ efforts to push through a sweeping healthcare reform, as another GOP senator has said she may vote for it.

Susan Collins, the junior Republican senator from Maine, said on Wednesday that "the status quo is unacceptable," and signaled her intention to lend her support in the efforts spearheaded by congressional Democrats, WMTW.com reported.

However, she echoed many of her GOP colleagues by saying she is still concerned that the pieces of legislation passed in five different committees fail to ensure greater affordability for American families and small businesses, and may lead to higher costs.

Collins also spoke against the so-called public option for health insurance that would compete with private companies.

The senator has thus joined her senior colleague from Maine, Olympia Snowe, who was the only Republican voting in favor of the bill proposed by the Senate Finance Committee on Tuesday.

That move earned her praise from President Obama who spoke of her "political courage" for crossing the party lines during a press conference in the Rose Garden following Tuesday’s vote.
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  • harold hunter

    While this country stands at the door of the GREATEST DEPRESSION and President Obama says he can “pull us through” some may not understand what he means, but it will eventually come to them. On the bright side if Zimbabwe President Mugabe would send only 2 bills of Zimbabwean currency to Obama that would pay for health care. Two one TRILLION dollar notes that is. Want to know what America will be like in 4 years? Look to Zimbabwe. Thanks

    • eyeswideopen

      Harold, certainly you know that it took us ten years to get to this point and the odds are that we can’t wave a magic wand and fix it in a mere 12 months. Hell, we can’t even get the Republicans on board to get new regulations in place, today three of them stated they want to totally deregulate the banking industry. That is just exactly what we need, the Banks having the ability to gouge us just as badly as the Insurance companies have been. A 3.8 percent annual raise only goes so far. Are you voting out the Republicans you voted in?

      • DaveH

        I always do vote against the Republicans and the Democrats.
        How come is it that you Liberals advocate more regulations when the previous series after series of regulations haven’t worked?
        I could see you as a scientist: “Hmmm, those ingredients didn’t achieve the desired result. I know, I will add more, that will surely succeed!”
        The only place for the government to get involved is when the businesses lie to their customers or otherwise defraud them. All regulations do is add more cooks to the kitchen which costs more money and fewer desirable goods being produced. As the cost of the goods go up, those who are uninformed demand more regulation which again causes fewer goods produced and more cost as a result. It is a vicious cycle until the economy finally collapses.

        • eyeswideopen

          So, you are saying that you think the anti-trust laws should be left in place for the insurance companies to retain a monopoly on the industry? Wow, That isn’t capitalism at it’s best. That is protectionism. That is allowing the corporate entities to have a stranglehold on the citizens. Since the current financial sitution can be tied directly to the deregulation of the banking industry in 1999, then yes I agree that we should go back to the laws that protected us since the Great Depression. When we deregulated the Saving and Loan industry,in 1986 we had a similiar crisis, and we didn’t learn from that did we? No!!! we didn’t. You want to believe that people will do the right, honest and moral thing while conducting business, yet our politicans are a prime example of why we need laws and regulations to protect the citizens from corruption. Greed and power is something that has to be regulated. Just like not giving too much power to the President or the Congress, regulations and laws like the Constitution,keep us safe from those who would use money aka: power to control everything.

          • DaveH

            Name a single documented case of Monopoly in a free market. It is a myth promulgated by Big Government to justify the growth of the only real Monopoly in this country, the US Government.
            A malignant monopoly could not exist in a free market without the force of government to protect it. The only way a company could achieve monopoly (in a free market) is for the company to keep its prices so tight and low that no other company would want to compete. If that was the case, who would complain about low prices? You have no idea what you are talking about; you are just spouting common Liberal Urban Myths.
            The Savings and Loan collapse was directly a result of the FSLIC. When people and companies are protected by insurance, then they become sloppy in their financial dealings. Sloppy loans, just as what caused our current situation. And in both cases the cause was Big Government meddling.
            http://www.cato.org/pubs/policy_report/v31n4/cpr31n4-1.html
            You do realize that I don’t offer these rebuttals for you Eyes. I know that you are a blindered Liberal with a tightly closed mind who doesn’t want to learn reality. Rather I give these responses to keep you from misleading others with your Liberal Double-Speak.

  • http://WindowsInternetExplorer Larry E johnson

    Susan Collins,Is a turn coat,the Republicans who voted her into office, should be doing everything they can to get her out.She is a wolf in sheeps clothing.There is no excuse for her doing this.Drive her out,shine the light of truth on her, and watch her run.

    • Norm

      She and Collins will run and when their terms are up they will be reelected. Not so sure of Demint, Boehner, and the right wing “just say No” crowd (remember Allen and Santorem). What ever happened to sane Repbulicans?

      • Norm

        correction: She and Snowe…

  • s c

    To comrade copenhagen, ‘political courage’ means anybody who’s dumb enough to forsake common sense and jump on his anti-American bandwagon. How did the once great state of Maine find ways to send turncoats and two-faced, ultralib kooks to Washington?
    Senator Snowe has been in Washington for TOO LONG. Susan Collins has all the mental ability and character of a puppet acting out a schizoid interpretation of monkey see, monkey do. The overwhelming majority of Americans want NOTHING to do with saul alinsky’s ‘gift to politics’ or his economy-destroying health care ‘reform.’
    People of Maine, do the right thing! Help run Snowe and her junior chump chum out of Washington. AMERICA IS BANKRUPT, AND WE CAN’T SPEND OUR WAY TO PROSPERITY OR BE FREE BY BECOMING BHO’s SLAVES! After almost a year, how can ANYONE not see these useless people or their bought-and-paid-for, weasel pals for who they really are? WAKE UP!

  • Gregory

    Barack Hussein Obama want’s the collapse of America, the breakup of the U.S! We are going economically and politically bankrupt. Moral collapse, Mass imigration, economic decline moral degradation, a fall and collapse of the dollar. By 2010 a cival war. BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA’S CHANGE!!! HIS CZARIST NEW AMERICA! BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA WANTS TO BE DICTATOR! NO, JESUS CHRIST IS MY DICTATOR! I DON’T OBEY BIG GOVERMENT! I GET MY ORDERS DIRECT FROM HEAVEN!! OUR SOUL WANTS LIBERTY! THAT IS WHAT THE SOUL OF EVERYONE WANTS, THE SOUL WANTS LIBERTY! THE SOUL WANTS TO BE FREE!! NO RED TAPE, NO LIBERAL FASCIST GOVERMENT TO DICTATE TO YOU! NO DICTATOR!!!

    • eyeswideopen

      Gregory,
      do you not understand that if America falls, there won’t be any dictator, it will be total chaos, anarchy,(the absence of any form of political authority)? Do you not grasp that? Why would Obama want this country to bottom out? He wouldn’t be in control, no political party would survive. His children are old enough to realize what would be happening. Do you think he would leave and go to another country? Just exactly do you think would happen? I would love to hear some rational thought process from all of you who think he is trying to bankrupt this country. Common sense kind indicates that it would not be to his benefit, so lay it out, what do you see as the big scheme?

      • Thurman Marcum

        eyes,

        I agree with you.Where does Gregory gets all of that?There would be no country.

      • Greg

        BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA MMMM, MMMM, MMMM, IS NOTHING BUT A BLACK ADOLPH HITLER!!! SEIG—————– HEIL!!! BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS A FASCIST SOCIALIST BIG EARED IDIOT!!! HE ISN’T MY PRESIDENT!!!

        • JeffH

          Greg, the only thing you accomplished with your comment is that you are a racist. It is his Idealogy that will lead his failure to create a new America, not his skin color!

          • Matt

            What at all about his post was racist? Why do you play the race card?

      • DaveH

        Name a single country where after collapse a Dictator didn’t take control? Do you think the military with all their weapons is just going to disappear? Our money may become greatly devalued due to the excessive printing but the physical goods just don’t disappear. Of course, over time, they will eventually get consumed.
        And if the military does take over, guess who they side with? Mostly with the people you don’t like.
        The only chance Obama would have of retaining control would be to invite foreign military into the battle (which is common throughout history). This is a man who really cares about nobody but himself.

        • eyeswideopen

          Dave, do you think that any of you would allow him to take over?? What a laugh, you are trying to get rid of him now, without him having committed an impeachable offense. You are giving him way to much credit, or not enough credit to all those rt. wingers out there that hate him. Which is it? Is your group to weak to take over? or is the majority of the people with him?

          • DaveH

            Hitler would have loved you.
            “How fortunate for politicians that people do not think”.

          • eyeswideopen

            No, Dave, it is easier to become a Hilter, when anarchy rules.

  • http://www.chandostransport@eastlink.ca Graeme B

    The public option is the only way to make the insurance industry “honest” (oxymoron intended). This will force the providers of insurance to become competitive by giving people a choice and thereby save the consumers and the economy billions $.

    • DaveH

      A company with unlimited financial resources is not a competitor, it is a dominator. No private company could survive against the deep-pockets of the US government. So then there would be a monopoly with all the problems (and more) of any private monopoly because Big Government has something no private company has – the power to force consumers to buy their product no matter how inefficient it may be.

      • eyeswideopen

        Let’s just leave it the way it is with the insurance companies enjoying the safety of the anti-trust laws, which insures that competition is nonexhistant. Yup, I think we can all afford to pay 25k in another 7 years, won’t be able to eat, but hey we will have health insurance, until we try to use it.

        • DaveH

          The safety of the anti-trust laws? Is that an admission that Big Government rules don’t work?
          Again I say, if you think you could do better, start your own health insurance companies and be the humanitarian angel that you fancy yourself. And don’t complain to me if you find out that the Big Government you support makes it nearly impossible for you to achieve your goals.

          • eyeswideopen

            Dave, are you deaf? You can’t start your own Insurance companies, as the anti-trust laws prevent that. Big business, the insurance companies, have been given protection and have continued that protection due to the large payoffs that have been given to the politicians. Government can work, when those in power have and are held to a code of ethics. Do you not get it that the government is us? We are the government, and I have faith that Americans can and will do the right thing, we are a compassionate and giving people and even though you don’t like it, we will fight to save it. Anarchy is something none of us want. There are 120 million voters in this country and your party has maybe a million. We have had the opportunity to become Libertarians, since 1971 and for some reason we don’t cross that line. I have voted for Ron Paul in 1988 and Ross Periot, however, I knew they could not take over this country. Maybe it is because we never get an answer as how would you make the changes and how would we function without those laws you want to remove?

  • Sonny

    Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe, Pelosi, Reid, Schumer Gene Green and others are socialist at heart just like Obama, they don’t follow the Constitution or the will of the people. America is nearly broke and he wants to raise taxes. We don’t have enough G.P. doctors now and Obama wants to legalize 12 to 20 million illegal aliens so they can get full government entitlements. He wants to take $404 billion dollars from Medicare and do away with Medicare Advantage programs to pay for his healthcare plan which will still leave millions uninsured, this takes away benefits from the elderly who paid into Social Security most of their lives and gives it to people who have not contributed anything. Next he will make every effort to take away our guns then he and his Czars can take over. Wake up America, vote them out in 2010 and 2012 before we lose our country.

  • Robin from Indiana

    Conservatives unite! We must watch closely what is going on in Washington. Vote those out who cross party lines! Vote those out who do not listen to the voters!

  • Melvin Nieuwsma

    She looks like a rino. No health care with government involved and making & chosing for us. no forced abortion or homo sexual adgenda.

  • Gina

    I think it is time to overthrow this government. Impeach everyone of them who vote for Obambicare. The democrats and 2 republicans are such idiots.

    • Greg

      I agree Tina, we are going to be over taxed by Obama, without representation!!! Time to overthrow this freak big goverment Obama system!!

  • Anne

    Susan Collins doesn’t know what she is talking about – add her to the list with the Democrats – now I don’t even trust the “blue dog” democrats!

    Vote her out just like all the others!!!!

  • Robert

    We all agree that there is a need for affordable health care and reform is necessary. Why must the whole system be reinvented? The President says $200 billion a year will be saved by eliminating medicaid waste and fraud. So why can’t Washington first address that issue and show us Americans that they can get the job done? The unions are screaming that the proposed tax on caddilac insurance is unfair to their members who gave up a lot at the bargaining table to get those bebefits. Same holds true for State and Municiple employees. So are we the working stiffs going to be stuck with the bills while the politicians exempt their special interest groups from the so called rules. And Obama said that he would not sign any bill that the American people did not have a chance to review at least 5 days before it reaches his desk. Was that senator correct in yelling out “You Lie”? I’m not sure we’re we headed on this healthcare reform, but if it is passed and it turns out like all the other big government programs, then I believe there will be a backlash against all politicians the likes that have not been seen since the American Revolution. Washington needs to get in touch with the American majority. We can only be pushed so far and then something has to break. I am appalled that this administration is attacking anyone and everyone who disagrees with their policies and initiatives. They are already starting to attack media outlets that don’t play by their rules. They are attacking law abiding citizens who gather to peacefully object to our government’s handling of the economy, immigration reform, health care reform and all the other stuff they are trying to ram down our throats. My America has surely changed in the last ten years but nothing on the scale of what I am seeing today. Everything has to be done yesterday. We don’t have time to read and debate bills. Anyone who disagrees is either a terrorist or right wing radical bent on destroying America. If you are a liberal, that’s your right. Same holds true for conservatives, independents and every other choice that is out there. So let me ask this final question: ” So exactly what are our brave service men and women fighting for in Afghanistan and Irag?”. I’d like to be able to explain to their parents how their sacrifices are ensuring all us at home our liberty and freedoms. Are you listening Washington? Or do you just not care?

    • DaveH

      They don’t care.

  • Dean

    If the people who voted this president in would have taken time to learn about him and what he believes, he would not be in office. The reverend, Bill ayers,Saul Alinske. He hates this country, just like all the people he surrounded himself with. Van Jones, a communist in the white house.
    They are playing GOD with our health care. This can not pass. Anyone voting for this bill, that no one read, must be voted out.
    And people made fun of Sara Palin when she talked about death squads.
    Stop listening to the 3 blind mice! abc,cbs & nbc.
    May GOD help us.

    • eyeswideopen

      No, the best three blind mice are Hannity, Beck and Rush. LMAO

      • alice

        Answer to eyeswideopen and norm. Your can say you worthless anti-American opinion. Hitler convinced the whole country he had all the answers. The country voted for his garbage. Fine you want to live in that world. Leave my Country, before you make my friends hit-list.

        • Norm

          What makes you think it’s not my country? A better question might be “what makes you think”. The answer is obvious – right wing minority extremists. The key words are extremists and MINORITY.

        • eyeswideopen

          Alice are you threatening me? Your friends hit list? What are you the bait and if you don’t like someone they go out and kill?
          In case you don’t know this, you don’t own this country, and you sound like a BROWN SHIRT.

      • DaveH

        Do you even listen to Beck? I doubt it. Without Foxnews we would be in the dark about most of the things Obama is pulling. We sure aren’t going to find out about all the corruption from the Alphabet Networks.

        • JeffH

          If it weren’t for Fox’s news and commentary, we would all become sheeple, being led to slaughter.

          • Norm

            Don’t worry there are cures for paranoia.

          • DaveH

            More name-calling Norm?
            And this accusation of paranoia coming from a guy who swallows the bull that our healthcare system is collapsing. The sky is falling, the sky is falling!
            Funny that in my youth, when the government was not nearly as involved, there were plenty of Doctors and Healthcare was relatively cheap.

        • Norm

          DaveH
          Just when you seem to make a little sense, you come out with a doozy like your Beck statement.

          • DaveH

            Keep talking Liberal, the more you comment, the more the fence-straddlers can see what Liberals are all about.

        • eyeswideopen

          DaveH, yes I need to keep up with what the Mormon apocalptic preacher is prophesying, so my girlfriend calls me, when it is really good and paranoid and I watch in fascination as someone imitates Robert Welch. Us Republicans had William F. Buckley to reign him in and get us back on the right track then, now you have nobody. It is so interesting that the rt wouldn’t accept someone like Mitt Romney, who is intelligent beyond belief, but they would throw in with someone who is also Mormon, but lives in a land of conspiracies. Maybe because you live thinking that everybody in government is bad and out to get you, you can take in a daily dose of that paranoia, I however am an optimist and believe in the good in people, so I don’t want to live like behind every corner someone is out to screw me and hurt me.

    • Joe Green

      If this Health Care Overhaul crap passes with the public option you can look for everyone to be on government health care it it 5-7 years. Why. because employers can dump there health care on the government at a lower cost or no cost.
      Where are all the doctors going to come from for so-call universal health care? My doctor tell me he is retiring if this overhaul passes. He said, “I will not be in a system where cost and age determine if you live or die”.
      My suggestion is that if you have any medical problems, get them taken care of now, don’t wait. You don’t want to be told, like some people here at the VA were told. Sorry we’re out of money until the first of the year. Here are a few Meds to hold you over.

  • Ron

    I think we should close and seal the doors of all law schools and MBA schools for a period of not less than 20 years, then maybe we can get some honest people in Congress and running our financial institutions.

    • Banker

      Did you know that MBA stands for “Master Bation Award”? That’s why the average person is always getting screwed. The MBA’s are frustrated and need to take it out on someone. Do you know if BOH has a MBA?

      • eyeswideopen

        These people will believe your play on words and you will have contributed to their looking stupid when they repeat your statement. Please, have mercy and make sure people know when you are joking around.

  • Annirich

    I urge all of you to keep track of who votes for what right here in our state of Ohio. The Senate bill NCR-13 passed but Senators
    Cafaro, Fedor, Kearney, Miller D, Miller R, Morano, Sawyer, Schiavoni, Smith, Strahorn, Turner, Wilson. voted against it. It’s a bill the keep our state’s sovereign rights. Remember their names; write them down somewhere and when they come up for election vote them OUT!

  • Tom S

    Unfortunately Snow and Collins almost always vote together. They always go with their own agenda and ignore the wishes of their constituents and really need to go. The only problem is the folks running against them were even worse. Hopefully we can get some solid choices in the future. Maine is fast becoming California East.

    • Norm

      I’m also a New Englander. I vacation in Maine often and may live there one day. Collins and Snowe are tuned into their voters and represent traditional Republican values, not right wing extremism.

      • DaveH

        Norm,
        Traditional Republican values were Limited Government and adherence to the Constitution. They have abandoned those values to appeal to the propagandized voters. Now, they really don’t offer a clear alternative to the Big Government advocating Democrats.

        • Norm

          DaveH
          Don’t worry there are cures for paranoia.

        • Norm

          And what have the right wingers offered? I have a 7 year old granddaughter who has more constructive ideas.

          • DaveH

            You mean more Hoping and Dreaming? For a seven-year old that is understandable. But you are an adult now; there is no excuse for you.

        • eyeswideopen

          So,, why do you defend them and only attack the Dem’s?

          • DaveH

            In case you haven’t noticed, the Dems are here and now.

          • eyeswideopen

            So are the do nothing Republicans, who offer nothing but obstruction. You are a Rt. winger. Smilee is right. Who would have guessed? You play the Libertarian fairly well. I still have Republicans running my state, so using your theory I should be addressing any of their governance issues?

      • Joe Green

        I didn’t know Government Takeover of health care(1/7 GNP) was one of the traditional Republican Values. Where have I been all these years. I thought real Republicans were for lower taxes, smaller government and freedom. To hell with Snowe and Collins.People in Maine need to wake-up and get these pole-cats out of office.

        • Joe Green

          I agree!

  • Ed Wyda

    Now you know what they are called
    MANIAC!

  • Dick Appelt

    I agree that Collins and Snow are turncoats, they need to be voted out of office.

    What is Obama and cronies thinking about by attacking seniors and trying to take Medicare advantagefrom us so that he can give the illegals insurance.

    We need health care reform but not this way.

    Come on everyone lets rise up and vote all of them out of office.

    • Norm

      Collins and Snowe enjoy higher approval ratings in Maine than most Republican senators. Maybe the Republican party should listen to what they have to say. Maybe then guys like me can return to the party that I used to respect.

      • Joe Green

        You can see why I left the Republican Party and became an independent.Snowe and Collins are not real republicans. They just used Republicans to get into office. There are too many republicans just like them. We really don’t have a two party system in this country any more.
        This country is Bankrupt and these fools in Washington talk about spending 1-3 trillion dollars on health care. Of course, illegals will be in the plans.
        REMEMBER, WE GET THE GOVERNMENT WE DESERVE, AS A WHOLE, EVEN IF WE DON’T LIKE IT.

  • RoBoTech

    “Graeme B says:
    October 21, 2009 at 9:05 am

    The public option is the only way to make the insurance industry “honest” (oxymoron intended). This will force the providers of insurance to become competitive by giving people a choice and thereby save the consumers and the economy billions $.”

    WOW, I’m impressed. You quoted those Socialist Talking Points just like Comrade, and your “Dear Leader”, The Socialist LIAR Obama, told you to.
    Again, WOW!

    • Norm

      Obama is many things but he’s neither a Socialist nor a liar. WOW, I’m impressed. You quoted those Hate radio Talking Points just like that idiot Glenn Beck.

      • Greg

        Norm, the President IS a liar, especially on the issue of using federal funds for abortions in the healthcare bills. All three of the bills are riddled with language that allows for coverage of most abortions. Check out the following link at factcheck.org:

        http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/abortion-which-side-is-fabricating

        Even this abortion-neutral organization “judge[s] that the president goes too far when he calls the statements that government would be funding abortions ‘fabrications.’”

        • DaveH

          And he is a Socialist. How much of our private economy does he have to take over before you see that Norm?

          • Norm

            I think John Mccain was actuall slightly left of Obama on many issues. The left wing extremists aren’t all that happy these days. Of course if you only listen to the radical right you really never get the facts.

          • Norm

            When private companys come begging for help and paint the “doomsday USA” scenerio and the government reluctantly saves their sorry overpaid butts, that is far from socialism. In fact with a little luck the government may actually make money when the loans are repaid.

          • DaveH

            I live in Arizona. I know McCain’s politics well. He is definitely one of the more Liberal Republicans. He was promoted by the MSM (or is it the FM?) in the primaries, and as soon as he won the Republican nomination, the MSM dropped him like a hot potato. Of course the Liberals wanted the most Liberal Republican.
            And what facts Norm? The MSM spends more time fawning over Obama then scrutinizing him. Nobody knew how corrupt ACORN was until Foxnews reported events. Even then the FM did their best to defend them.

          • eyeswideopen

            Do you honestly believe that he wanted to get the reputation that you have given him? Don’t you think he would have liked to not have had to save this country from financial ruin? You must admit, his plate is full with every kind of crap that the previous two administrations didn’t want or couldn’t deal with.

          • DaveH

            How many more years does Obama get before he has to accept blame?

          • eyeswideopen

            Why don’t you at least let him have one complete year before you trash him? You guys didn’t even wait for 6 months prior to starting your socialist rantings. What socialist programs has he passed? Can you please give me a link to them?

          • Greg

            Eyes, you asked what socialist programs Obama has passed: He WILL sign one of the biggest socialist programs this country has ever seen, i.e. healthcare reform, as soon as it hits his desk (no links needed here)! And of course, he’ll be even happier if it contains a public option. How much more socialist can he get?

          • Greg

            Furthermore, anyone who has to lie to the entire country (e.g. his statements to the press and on national TV, regarding federally funded abortions) in order to get public acceptance of his socialist agenda, deserves to be trashed.

          • eyeswideopen

            Greg, you didn’t read it correctly, what new program, not what program is he trying to fix, that the Republicans put into debt by 1.1 trillion dollars, but what new program? Did I make it clear enough? What new Program?

          • Greg

            Eyes, your exact words were:

            “You guys didn’t even wait for 6 months prior to starting your socialist rantings. What socialist programs has he passed?”

            I do not see the word “new” in those statements. Do you? Besides, health care reform IS a HUGE NEW program that will be run by the government. Furthermore, this discussion is about whether or not Obama is a liar and a socialist, not about whether or not Obama has accomplished anything. That’s a totally separate discussion. Go back to the beginning of the thread in this discussion (RoBoTech says:
            October 21, 2009 at 5:43 pm), and read down. I simply pointed out one of the many things that makes him a socialist, i.e. his support of a government-run health insurance system.

            If you meant to talk about whether or not Obama has implemented any new programs, then you should have stated it as such in a new or different thread.

    • eyeswideopen

      RoBo, are you aware that the Insurance companies have been benefiting from the anti-trust laws for over 60 years? Why do you think insurance can’t be sold across state lines? The insurance companies have a monopoly on health care. If you think they have your best interest at heart, how can you explain that during the past 10 years the premiums went up 131% while salaries only increased 38% ? For too long Corporate America has gotten subsidies, and are not allowing any new companies to compete. Insurance companies, sit in the same room and decide who will get what territories and what each of them will charge. They wrote the Medicare Advantage bill, which doesn’t let the government negotiate prices for the participants. It does pay IBM 400 million over 6 years for their retired employees pharma needs.There are about 50 companies who have the same deal. You are acting like the benefits were paid for. Wrong this was an unfunded bill. It was supposed to cost 400 Billion, in 2003 when passed, but in 2006 the GAO revised cost to be 1.1 trillion. If reform of Medicare is not done, there will be no medicare to complain about. Well, it could have already been killed as there were some who wanted to privatize it, and after our little market free fall, it would be worthless at this time. It is so funny that every one wants to keep this government run socialist program. While complaining the whole time about it.

      • DaveH

        Not Everyone Eyes.

        Read my October 22, 2009 at 8:10 am comment below.

    • Joe Green

      EVERYONE WILL BE ON THE PUBLIC OPTION HEALTH PLAN, IF IT PASSES, IN 5-7 YEARS. ALL HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES,EXCEPT A FEW FOR THE RICH AND SUPER RICH, WILL BE OUT OF BUSINESS, UNABLE TO COMPETE WITH THE GOVERNMENT PLAN.

  • James Corbin

    Gregory, you hit the nail on the head! If you would have listen to Obama’s campaign speechesand listen allthe time—-you would see how he misleads the people. He is wanting government take over little by little.

  • RayD

    I agree with most of the bloggers on this site. I do not want a public option of any kind in Health Care. Public option is just a way to get to a single payer plan run by the government, and we all know how great the government runs programs like medicaid, medicare, Post office, bank bailouts, G M bailout and on and on. I remember an insurance plan I had years ago that worked pretty good. I paid for half the premium and my employer paid half. When I or a member of my family ( 5 including my wife and kids )went to a doctor I paid 20% of all the costs up to $3,000 in a calendar year. If my medical expenses went over the $3,000 in a calender year the insurance picked up 100% of the costs. If my memory serves me right my insurance premiums I had to pay was about $75.00 a month for me and about the same (maybe a little more )for my employer. Most of the time I never had to pay out the $3,000 because my family was pretty healthy. But if a catrostrophic illness would have hit my family it would not have put us in the poor house. I realize this was a while back ( late 50′s or early 60′s ) and I only made a little over $600.00 per month. But what I am trying to get at is we all need to be responsible for ourselves and kids. I have medicare because I’m over 65 and the government makes it a requirement. I never asked for it and medicare should not have been passed. I am not well off or even close to being wealthy. But what a lot of people don’t seem to understand is the more the government gives you through your taxes (such as medicare) the more they get envolved in your life and the more they screw up the system. We need to get rid of the FED and no bailouts of any companies. Let them fail, that just means their not giving the public what they want at a reasonabe cost. Dump the Dept. of Education. I would be glad to take the school tax I pay and send kids to a private school. After they graduate I wouldn’t have to keep paying for their education like we do now. We would have more input in what is taught and not have to put up with the crap that is forced upon families now. I would also like to see a tax on what you spend and eliminate all other taxes. No write-offs of any kind for anybody. A family that makes $60,000 a year sure won’t buy as much as a family making hundreds of thousands or millions, but they would pay the same % but buying more would pay more taxes. Also a family could tighten their belt if they decide and not spend a much and save some money. There’s no doubt in my mind if government was run like the founding fathers intended our national budget could be cut buy 2/3nds and we would have much more freedom. Well, I am getting tired of mouthing off when it seems to be useless. I love my country more then I can say. I’m proud I served in the military. In God We Trust (something else the socialist are trying to do away with ) I just wish I was young enough to fight them off. Please excuse my grammer and spelling. God Bless Our Troops All Over The World. Stay safe and goodnight all.

    • libertytrain

      Ray – it was a pleasure to read your post – gave me a little something to think about.

  • s c

    Under comrade obama’s ‘leadership,’ the stimulus package is a farce (and we may get stuck with second one), the world sees comrade obama as a lame joke, jobs are disappearing, open borders are ignored, state governments are cutting back on services, small businesses are viewed as expendable, the middle class is being sacrificed to placate comrade obama’s ultraleft chippies, Americans will be further taxed via health care ‘reform,’ and comrade obama sees an enemies list as an asset.
    Does comrade obama know the difference between a dictionary and a manual designed to implode a nation (e. g., alinsky’s Rules for Radicals)? Maybe a strong dose of starbuck’s supreme caffeine would force him out of his druglike stupor. At some point, someone has to remind him that The Emperor’s New Clothes was a book. It was not intended to re-make America in the image of China or Russia. Long live comrade obama’s administration – on another planet – in a universe far, far away!

    • Norm

      sc
      The world adores Obama. Compared to the “empire America” screw the world policies of the last eight years, they see a breath of fresh air.
      You hate the stimulas package, but then you complain how the states are going broke. ?
      Cutting the fat salaries of the ceo’s of companies and banks that came crying and begging for handouts from you and me sounds pretty good.

      If sc stands for South Carlina, you having living in a welfare state since the Cival War, like most “red” states. As a Connecticut Yankee I’d love to pay less taxes to support you hypocrites.

      • DaveH

        Norm, SC doesn’t support the US being the world’s policemen, so why the name-calling?
        If countries could just print extra money to solve their problems, then we would have no poor countries. When Big Government spends our money, it is inherently spent more wastefully then that money a private company spends. They are not subject to the rigors of the marketplace like private businesses are. If a government employee sticks his neck out and proposes a radical idea which fellow employees ridicule what is his reward? If his idea succeeds, he gets little reward. If his idea fails then he must endure the ridicule of his fellow employees ad nauseum. So government employees take the safe route. Who wouldn’t under those conditions? And if government agencies screw up totally do they lose their business? Rarely. So there is little incentive to perform. Those and many other factors contribute to worse economies in Socialized countries. Of course the Government leaders enjoy their Monopoly positions regardless of the suffering of their subjects.

        • Norm

          The rigors of private banks and investment firms, coupled with pure unadulterated greed, and managed by people with no morals almost destroyed this country. If these fat cats hate communism so much, how do they justify giving away our engineering and computer expertise to China.

        • DaveH

          Norm,
          I don’t know about the greed of the banks, but I do know that the greedy Liberals want to take money from others by force. I do know the greedy Liberals want to take my choices away. So far, I have had no bank force me to bank with them. The excess printing of money by the Federal Reserve has indeed become a problem, but rather than stopping that, the government that you champion is encouraging it.
          No doubt there are greedy people in business, just as there are in the voting population, and just as there are in government. The best we can do about that is to insist that nobody can force us to buy their products, and that no business can use force to stop a competing business. That would be a legitimate role for government. But they could be much smaller and accomplish that.

          • Norm

            How do you avoid insurance cartels not governed by anti-trust laws? How do you stop the billions spent by lobbiests to pay off polititicians in both parties? How do you deal with a political party that refuses to even address acknoledged real problems? How do you get a handle on the untitled royalty that are selling the US out?
            Yeah we are spending outrageous amounts of money. I am the most conseravitive guy in the country when it comes to balanced budgets.
            Thank 8 years of an administration run by the mentally limited, for the mess were in. Houdini couldn’t cure this problem.
            There is only cure that I see. It’s called taxes. Not the small guy but the fat cats.

          • eyeswideopen

            Dave, I hate to remind you, but it was a Republican President who gave the money to the Big Banks and Investment companies, not the Dem’s. He asked for Congress to pass his request. I know you want to try and blame all of our financial problems on them, however you know that they didn’t have power of both houses from 1995 thru 2007, when the Dem’s got control. The tax payers of this country saved those too “BIG” to fail companies, who have not stopped the way they used to do business. You have to know that if the stock market was able to come from 6800 back over 10,000 in less than a year, this is just starting another bubble situation. Since people like Warren Buffet and others think we need to increase the tax rate for them, and they are advocating reinstating regulations, don’t you think they probably understand what is needed more than someone like you or me? If you had their success, maybe you would be a viable voice. Regan, stated ” we are going to let the Bull run”. He was not an economic genius, as history has shown. The Savings and Loan crisis was an example of the Bull crashing the market. History is our greatest teacher.

          • eyeswideopen

            By, the way, Dave, you are aware that Paulson, is a Republican? He was the one who decided what our approach to the financial crisis would be last year.Prior to Obama. The Fed is being run by a Republican, Ben Bernake. So, Dave, please be fair, the Republicans have there hands all over this and you just can’t admit that someone other than a Democrat is responsible. Biased maybe?

          • DaveH

            Warren Buffet? Now you like Rich people? Of course, anybody that supports your Liberal ideas can’t be bad. Eyes, you are so transparent. So, what is your place at the trough? Government worker? Recipient of Government Largesse? Politician? ACORN? SEIU?

          • eyeswideopen

            Smilee, is right, when you don’t have an answer you just try to change the subject and accuse people of eating at the trough. LMAO

  • DaveH

    The real solution to our health care problems:
    http://blog.mises.org/archives/010883.asp

    • eyeswideopen

      You are aware that this man is from Austria? You do know that Austrians pay directly from their salaries to a State Social Insurance program don’t you? They also get a sickness insurance policy. In addition to the European Health Card, which their country participates in. Whole lot of social programs that your guy probably enjoys. Since his site readily advertises Austria, I would think he probably didn’t give up his citizenship and maybe he is located there and not here. Some of the ideas sound plausible, however some just aren’t going to work for us.

      • DaveH

        Okay, I am supposed to bow to the ideas of a rich man (Warren Buffet), but you are belittling the ideas of a lifelong economist? As I said Eyes, you are all about using whatever Double-Speak you can muster to try to blinder others as you are blindered.

        • eyeswideopen

          Life long economist who enjoys social programs in his home country? You are not using the type of people to promote your ideas that you should be. Your guy has to mandatorialy give part of his salary to his nations healthcare system and is making judgements on ours? I will listen to our own economic Noble prize winners like Paul Krugman, instead of a socialist econominist like yours. Sorry Dave, I am still pro American.

        • eyeswideopen

          Yes, I will believe what a Warren Buffet, type is offering, as he does have a documented history of success in this country. I think most people would follow him, rather than your ideas, as he is extremely successful and pays his taxes on top of that. There is nothing wrong with being rich as long as you pay your fair share to contribute to this country.

        • eyeswideopen

          Dave, there is no such word as blinder or blindered. Your vocabulary is usually right on, so I took the time to look up blinder, and blinders is a word, but blinder is not. Blindered is also not a word. Since you have such a propensity to correct me, I just thought I would for once point out that you are not perfect either.

  • cesar

    anyone that sides with a company who makes profit of human pain is and idiot and those are the real monsters people should pay doctors directly for services or like in other countries we get taxed and we woulnt have to worry about the bill how come the health insurance CEO’S make more money than doctors who provide the service thats crazy let me ask you how good would it be if the police charged us for getting protected without regulation or firefighters i mean we already do but since evryone pays taxes we just have to work and pay them according to your income please lets make america safe i cant belief that 911 heroes dont get the treatment they need and they have to beg for it this country is not what it could be we put profit of the already wealthy over everything they are so many things to make money off but human pain and suffering is not one!

  • Mike

    Obama praises Snowe for her “….’political courage’ for crossing the party lines….”. However, TRUE courage would be to stand against this monstrosity, which Snowe cannot do.

    Just as Obama lauds Snowe for her “political courage”, the Dems are calling this a “bipartisan” effort, simply because ONE (1) Republican (in name only) has bowed to them.

    If just ONE (1) Dem ever had the “political courage” to cross party lines and vote with the Repubs, the Dems would NEVER call it “bipartisan”.

    I say OUT WITH THE RINOS! Snowe and Collins both – (and there are a few others)!

    • JeffH

      I say down with the the political parties and hurray for bipartisanship. Let the best man or woman win and damn the party lines. It should always be about the country and the people, not the pocketbooks lined with gold for pure profit.
      I really believe Palin will be interesting to keep an eye on, and not to hear all the rude and crude comments by the morons in the MSM or D.C.

      • Norm

        Palin will never be elected in the United States and neither will Huckabee. They’re way too radical. If they run in 2012 Obama wins. In fact, the more Beck, Fox, and hate radio rant and rave, the more loud mouth gun-toting tea parties, the more moderate Republicans become Independents and vote Democratic.
        Before I semi-retired in March I used to listen to Hannity on my car radio – I had an hour commute. I agreed with about 30% of his commentary. A couple of nights ago I caught him on Fox. He’s lost it too. What used to be biased but constructive has become hatred and venom, and generally void of truth.

        • eyeswideopen

          Norm, here’s a Congressman, who actually knows the Constitution and one who doesn’t.

          http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/10/22/grayson/index.html

          • DaveH

            Typical Liberal Double-Speak. Since when do Democrats give a damn about the Constitution?
            Bill of Attainder:
            “A legislative act that singles out an individual or group for punishment without a trial”.
            Punishment by Bill of Attainder was a very harsh overt act. Look up what the Bills of Attainder were used for by the British in those days.
            This act on ACORN is to just not give them further taxpayer funds. But if you want a trial of ACORN, bring it on! They should be tried at least in a Congressional court. But do you think that would ever happen with the very Partisan Democrats in majority?
            Does anybody think the very biased Eyes would condone that? Now she is sticking up for criminal organizations!

          • DaveH

            Or he.

          • DaveH
          • DaveH

            So if Eyes has her/his way, your taxpayer dollars will continue to be used by that very partisan organization called ACORN.
            That’s democracy? The Democrats get to use your money to solicit more Democrats?
            She/he says she/he was a Republican. Since the Republican party hasn’t been the party of the “Nanny State” in my lifetime, either she/he has had a Sea-Change in political philosophy, or she/he is just not being honest.

          • eyeswideopen

            Hey, if they can prove that ACORN did something illegal, close them down, however the same rules should apply to KBR, Haliburton, Lockheed Martin, etc. etc. You seem to want the largest to be excempt from the same rules that you want to destroy Acorn. This is not how this country is supposed to function. We are a nation of laws, not men, as you prefer.

  • harold hunter

    Eyes Wide Open, Don’t presume to know who I “voted in”. I’ve been unhappy with our country’s direction for years. Trouble is its hard if not impossible to get the Senators ear with those that want handouts for costly social, never ending, forever growing programs, screaming for more, more, its for a good cause, if it only helps one person, etc. Just as bad evidently my mail to the Senate goes to a closet in the basement where aids or interns figure which printed form best reflects the Senators answer, because the Senator is too busy listening to lobbyist with perks and which they know on a first name basis. Now as to the problem with health care is basic, the first words most say is “how are we going to pay for it” EEEEKKK wrong question!!!! what should be asked is how do we make health care cheaper. Not affordable. CHEAPER. First start roundup and deportation of all illegals. Get rid of 12 million, look at the savings! Schools emergency room fees, welfare, crowded highways, crime, etc. etc. This would open jobs for americans that need them. Second let insurance companies cross state lines. Nationalize a common language, not legalese on the insurance policies so everyone can read and understand them. The same for Billings. The exact same except for the company name etc. Third some tort reform, some is required to protect the people, but the courts have been way too generous with others monies its time to put the brakes on. Fourth the drug companies are making out like bandits. Lets have drugs from Canada made available. Shorten the time before a drug goes generic. Ohh how the drug companies will howl. But don’t listen. Colleges and universities do a large portion of R&D that these companies make use of. Fifth, graduate more doctors there should be more completion, let the doctors advertise their rates for office calls etc. Maybe some of them might be available over the weekend, when as everyone knows if you kid is going to get sick with a fever of 103 degrees or more it will be on Friday or Saturday night. This would help out on the emergency room. This is the only way I know to help health care. Throw hundreds of Billions at it? HELL NO!!!

  • DaveH
    • eyeswideopen

      Shall we have the government break down just how many Republicans got mortgages they couldn’t afford? How many are filing bankruptcy? You generalize that the Dem’s are responsible for all the countries ills, only problem with blaming them for everything is that they haven’t have enough time to force all the republicans into bad mortgages, made them run up their credit cards, etc. to have had this immediate impact this year.

  • Norm

    just saying…

    Definition
    Paranoia is an unfounded or exaggerated distrust of others, sometimes reaching delusional proportions. Paranoid individuals constantly suspect the motives of those around them, and believe that certain individuals, or people in general, are “out to get them.”

  • Bamber2116

    Maine is struggling like Mass. with the Failure of their own State Public Health Care,the cost has double or tripled then predicted, If the Government takes over will that Help their State’s Budget? Instead of having Three States (Tenn) failing on health Care we will Have 50 States failing. WE CAN NOT AFFORD ANY SPENDING. ‘NOT ONE MORE DIME’ Health Care can wait till we get our Economy Fixed First. Let’s Not let our Dollar FAIL!! I do not want a Goble Currency.

    • Norm

      Unfortunatly, the great industrial giant that I grew up with in the 50′s, 60′s and 70′s is becoming poorer and poorer. When people realize that the USA isn’t the only star in the sky, and that they can’t forever spend money they don’t have, maybe things will begin to improve again.

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