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Schumer And Graham Immigration Proposal Garners Praise, Criticism

April 6, 2010 by  

Schumer and Graham immigration proposal garners praise, criticism The bipartisan immigration reform proposal unveiled recently in a Washington Post editorial has been applauded by minority groups, but despite pledged support for the system’s overhaul Republicans remain unimpressed.

Drawn up by Senator Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Senator Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), the framework proposes four pillars for comprehensive immigration reform, including strengthening the country’s border security and interior enforcement; implementing a tough but fair path to legalization for those who work in the United States illegally and pay back taxes; creating a process for admitting temporary workers and requiring biometric Social Security cards to hold employers accountable for legal hiring and employment practices.

Among the supporters of the proposals was the Hispanic National Bar Association, which stressed its commitment to a comprehensive reform.

However, Republicans are divided over the issue, with many fiercely opposed to any program to give legal status to illegal immigrants. Workers’ rights advocates have also declared themselves unhappy, saying the third pillar would make it easy for those who earn graduate degrees in technical fields to get green cards, but would exclude low-skilled workers from the program.

Last month, more than 200,000 people from across the country gathered on the National Mall in Washington, D.C., to demand comprehensive immigration reform during the 111th Congress.
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  • McMorty

    The amnesty pillar must fall before this is a workable piece of legislation.

    • Joe H.

      McMorty,
      Well said, brother!!!

      • Runninbear

        Do the math 11 million illegals minus 9.8 % unemployed? they should start with Obamas Aunt that has refused to obey a deportation order since 2004 and she is still here and has the best lawyer someone that has been living on “Public assistance and working “Illegally” for the “Boston Housing Aurthority” donating “Illegally to barrack hussien campaign funds,couldn’t afford but there she is still?fighting a “6 year” old deportation order?What she afraid of her and Obama’s cousin is the Prime Minister?after he terrorized the country? killed 1500 non mulsims.This is the same guy Senator Obama went there and actively campaigning for Raila Odinga,He lost even with Obama using his US Senator clout to impress his native country men.Remember Dakfur!
        We have to start enforcing the laws we have or we will always be ask to declare amnesty to criminals who come here Illegally and there will be hundred who will fill the hole.(If this thing happened in any other country they would put them prison?)
        It’s not fair to the Legal Immigratants that go through the long legal ordeal to become a upstanding American citizen,and not letting some one who has committed an illegal act to enter a country and ask that country to accept him.
        A rancher was just killed who lived along the border and this rancher would even carry water for illegals crossing his land and he was killed because he surprised some illegal? This must stop! build the fence or have it patroled ?we are at with terrorists and the drug wars of Mexico.The borders should have been secured after 911?Janet needs to step down and stop the lies?shes been reading from Obama’s teleprompters again!

        • liza durango

          He’s right. Please read the Bob Krenze story. I followed it for 3 years an now an American citizen is murdered on his own property in Arizona. Also please research the Bennet case in Arizona — sued by MALDEF WITH the Mexican Gov’t orchestrating behind the scenes help to MALDEF! Tried to set a precedent in AMERICA via this case. These ranchers have flown to Washington over several Presidencies and BEGGED for security. One is dead and the other has spent a ton of money to fight a ludicrous law suit. Shame on MALDEF, the MEXICAN CONSULATES, and The Southern Poverty Law Center. These organizations should be put out of business. They are ruining our great nation and taking advantage of “interpretation of the law.”

    • http://naver samurai

      Amen to that!

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/pediatric-patients-with-chronic-pain-look-to-acupuncture-19609231/ James A Graham

    Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution

    THE HART OF OUR PROBLEMS IS OUR POLITICANS ARE MONEY HUNGRY !!!!

    As a widow of a military retiree, who stood with her husband for over 20 years while he served this country (which was the greatest in the world until this Congress and President took over), I have to say I agree. Shirley

    As a retired military man that have given over twenty-seven years of my life to my country, I truly feel that what this
    Country needs most is a new amendment to the Constitution . I am recommending that we add the 28th amendment to the Constitution of the UNITED STATES.

    For too long we have been too complacent about the workings of Congress. Many citizens had no idea that Congress members could retire with the same pay after only one term, that they didn’t pay into Social Security, that they specifically exempted themselves from many of the laws they have passed (such as being exempt from any fear of prosecution for sexual harassment) while ordinary citizens must live under those laws. The latest is to exempt themselves from the Healthcare Reform that is being considered…in all of its forms. Somehow, that doesn’t seem logical. We do not have an elite that is above the law. I truly don’t care if they are Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever. The self-serving must stop.

    This is a good way to do that. It is an idea whose time has come.

    Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution:

    “Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Congressman, Senators and Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Congressman. Senators and Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States”.

    This 28th amendment to the Constitution of the UNITED STATES Will apply to all passed, present and future
    congressman, Senators And Representatives.
    Just think of all the money this would save the tax payers!!!!!

    I think the Senators, Representatives or Congressman that comes out strongly for this will be our next President.

    HTCM USN Retired James A. Graham E-Mail address is ( jagraham@charter.net ) Please forward !!!!!!!

    • Michelle

      Great comment – I agree. Let the Congress live with the laws they pass. Maybe they would actually read some of the bills!

      • eddie47d

        Don’t worry Jim H.;There are plenty of legal American Citizens stealing your idenity. Most credit card abusers are suburban kids doing it for the thrill or “normal” folks going into bankruptcy. Most immigrants legal and illegal are too scared to break the law for fear of deportation. I’m sure there are a few who should be deported but most should be given a path to citizenship.

        • http://naver samurai

          We are a nation of laws and do not reward law breakers.

        • marvin

          in two words eddie47d BULL —

        • Jim H.

          Eddie, I guess if Americans are breaking the law too, we just shouldn’t do anything about ILLEGAL immigrants doing it. It’s a good thing your here to set me straight( sarcasm). As far as giving the illegals a path to legal citizenship, there is a proccess already, they just chose not to bother. MANY do take the legal route, through the front door and they are welcome.

        • Jeep

          eddie, gang investigators in Virginia estimate that 90% of the members of MS-13, the most notorious immigrant gang, are illegal immigrants. I guess you would consider MS-13 a benevolent society of law abiding citizens.

    • William Nealey

      I am in total agreement on the 28th amendment, but we all know there aint a man or woman in washington with BALLS enough to introduce such a bill,

    • Jerry Mobley

      James A Graham;
      I agree with your sentiment, but I would simplify it by only stating all laws passed by Congress are in effect for everyone living in the United States and protectorates. No Exceptions!!!

    • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

      I’d like to see somebody such as the Tea Party get on board to push the government into making such an amendment. This Amendment move within a large political organization would make me feel more confident that it may get done!

    • James

      James A Graham, I like that, here’s a more simplified version:
      “Congress shall make no law, concerning their welfare and retirement, that would apply to them exclusively, and all such past laws are hereby repealed.”
      Also I think a good slogan for future elections, would be: “When in doubt, vote ‘em out!”

  • eddie47d

    Time; Never heard of 15 million immigrants being deported in America during the 50′s. Sounds like a real stretch even if there is any truth to it. Who cares if anyone stands at the end of Home Depot and is willing to work. God bless them.

    • barb miller

      eddie47d – go to yahoo and type in operation wetback. they did it with less than 2000 agents but had the help of local police too. their children are u.s. citizens, but why are we letting their entire families become instant citizens? they can take their babies with them or leave them here for americans to rear.

      • shorething

        we have more than enough unskilled laborers (unfortuneately many are our dumbed down high school students, getting diplomas when they can’t even read at what used to be a 3rd grade level)

        if ILlegals are going to become citizens there should be minimum standards such as knowing and respecting our constitution and even more importantly our bill of rights. that in and of itself would make them better citizens than the majority in congress. also UPHOLD said beliefs, which would place them way above the aforementioned stooges

        • Independent

          First we have to teach the Constitution and Declaration of Independence to our native students and to our Congressmen, Senators and President. We have far too many teachers in High Schools and Colleges teaching those who do not understand them, and I’ve known several who taught the wrong thing, such as a PhD who is retired from an area University who argued with me that the 2nd Amendment did not give me the right to own a gun, only the National Guard. No one has mentioned the fact that illegal immigrants (and a lot of legals) are standing in line at the Post Office to buy money orders to send back to Mexico, money which should stay here.

    • eyeswideopen

      eddie, it was 1.3 million. Common sense tells you that if Reagan granted amnesty to 3.2 million in 1986, and from then until 2009 the total only got to be between 12-18 million,( that is a 23 year period of time) So, therefore, when Truman sent 2 million back after WWII to give our Vet’s jobs, how could the immigration have crept up to 13 million in just 9 years??? They apprehended 50k in one location and 80K in another and over one million fled in fear. As usual the people on left are using faulty information again. I lived in Texas and there is a handbook that states the very totals of 1.3 million.

  • Jeep

    In some states you can be arrested for traveling 20 mph over the speed limit. But, you know, a lot of people do it. So many, in fact, that we cannot catch them all. So, I think we should stop trying to enforce that law. We should give motorists a break since it costs so much to enforce the law, and really the one or two accidents they cause is not so bad. We will have to “chip” the drivers that have been caught so we will know that they are allowed to speed. And, because this may encourage other drivers to join in and drive faster, the “chip” will also separate the original speeders from the new, or never been caught before speeders. Now all we need is for an endorsement from AAA, and we are all set!

    • Raggs

      R-U-CRAZY?

      Who gives the government or the state the right / authority to “CHIP” anyone?
      I am not cattle owned by you or any entity of any branch of state or federal government.

      • Jeep

        Raggs…take it easy! This was all said with my tongue firmly implanted in my cheek. Just an absurd illustration of the absurd “three pillar” idea. Besides, if you don’t speed you won’t need to be “chipped”! Just kidding!

        • http://?? Joe H.

          Jeep,
          I was laughing like hello at your post!! SATIRE is most excellent!!!!

      • Airangel

        Amen Raggs…chipping humans would be another violation or our rights…oh but wait….our Government doesn’t care about the Bill of Rights or our Constitution…we definitely need New Blood in the White House 2010!

      • marvin

        you are right Raggs LAST TIME I LOOKED i was a citizen not a subject of the great and all powerful goverment

    • http://naver samurai

      What does this have to do with immigration. Can we stick to the subject at hand?

      • Jeep

        Sam, you cannot think outside the box? Notice that my “pillars” mirror the “pillars” proposed by Chuckie and Lindsey. Notice how silly my “pillars” sound, and how silly their “pillars” sound…Get it yet?

        Maybe I need to find a new place to post…You guys just don’t get sarcasm.

        Sarcasm – (noun) 1. harsh or bitter derision or irony. 2.a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark: a review full of sarcasms.

        • JC

          Oh I got it right away. Probably think a bit like you do.
          Keep posting.

    • Jeep

      Did you guys really think this was a serious proposal? Sheesh…

      • JC

        Not unless you work for FEMA! LOL

        • Jeep

          FEMA (Flippin’ Evidence of Mismanaged America)! The greatest govt organization that cannot do it’s job ever! Hmmm…maybe I’ll go to work for them…just a thought…

          • JC

            Sure Jeep, You could get a job babysitting one of hundreds of FEMA detention camps that are completely empty and ask yourself, why are these here? ;)

          • eddie47d

            Jeff H.;I know you love Ayn Rand so I thought I’d throw in a dig. She loved author Edward Hickman who sadistically dismembered a 12 year old girl named Marion Parker in 1927. That was not his only murder and she praised him after his crimes. Said, “He had a conscience of his own and he just hated society”. So the Right makes excuses for their heros too!

          • JeffH

            “I know you love Ayn Rand” A comment without one ounce of merit. I’ve never even seen a copy of any of her books, let alone picked one up and read it. You liberals are very good at making inaccurate assumptions.

            To quote Ayn Rand is not to love her.

      • eyeswideopen

        Jeep, when you play with their emotions you give them the opportunity to take your comments and spread them through out the community. Soon they will be quoting you and saying we are chipping for speeders. No laughing allowed, but I was busting a gut. Very funny.

  • Airangel

    We have to start somewhere because the bickering back and forth is getting us no where…deport current illegals that are drug lords and criminals…we don’t need them…those that are working illegally in companies, legalize them, get them social security cards to PAY THEIR SHARE OF TAXES and collect BACK TAXES to catch them up for all the free housing, medical and educational assistance BUT secure our borders from future illegals and moving forward hold companies that hire them accountable and make them go through proper processes to legalalize everything…I’m not against anyone trying to better their life and their families…only when it steals taxes from the American tax payers that pay for all the free assistance and subsidizing in which the illegals don’t contribute to. I also don’t support any known criminals. They need to be dealt harshly with such as gangs and drug rings causing stench in America…the drugs traffiking and slaving across our borders has to stop!

    • babybikerbabe

      I tend to agree, they’re here so why not. Okay.

      But NO VOTING RIGHTS.

      Citizens vote, criminals don’t. Let us create a new “class” of immigrants or resident aliens who can work, pay taxes, use the systems but STILL have to follow the rules to become a citizen. You know, learn the history, take the oath….. agree to follow the laws…. THEN they can vote.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        babe,
        I’d like to add that they don’t get any services of any kind as well!!!

        • eyeswideopen

          JoeH, do they get services after a specific number of years? Or after they become citizens? Is the fine a flat fee(set amount) or is it based on wages? Do you charge them for SS and Medicare taxes? That would be against our present laws, so what would you do?

        • liza durango

          You have got to be kidding me– every anchor baby dropped on our soil, is immediately signed up for welfare,ie General Relief checks and Food stamps, their kids get free lunches in school. Every time the mother gets pregnant again, she is giving free pre-natal services clinics, her delivery costs are fully incurred by taxpayers, and she gets post delivery freebies like baby milk, diapers etc. all at taxpayer expenses. Then her children grow up with an attitude, get sick and require more free hospital ER visits funded by taxpayers, then one angry child joins a gang and gets shot which requires tons more money in ER services to fix his poor shot up body. ALL AT TAXPAYER’S EXPENSE. OH, and by the way –to those of you who THINK ILLEGALS ARE NOT VOTING, YOU ARE DEAD WRONG. The SEIU AND AFLCIO organizers make sure they tell everyone how to vote — including the swelling ranks of those working with fruadulent ID’s. All you need is a FAKE driver’s licnese and FAKE SS to get your voter registration form and VOILA you can vote. This is actually encouraged by Spanish speaking groups– I’ve heard it firsthand and it is widely reported in areas like Texas, Arizona and California. WHY? Because the Latino community believes America belongs to them and there are no borders and that all humans beings are legal.Therefore our laws and Constitution are invalid. They SAY this at there Immigration Reform Marches and in their literature. Since no laws exist they will abide by, voting as an illegal doesn’t bother them in the least. They see it as their duty to vote out RACISTS politicians that represent Americans who don’t want illegals in the country! WAKE UP!

    • marvin

      Airangel you say make them legal ,make them pay all back taxes ,and all what about the babies we payed for them to have and to school them and for ever dollar an illegal makes it cost tax payers 6 more so by your way of thinking we make them pay all back taxes and fines and pay all past and present medical bills and we are talking about mostly uneducated poor people that have nothing so how in the hell are they going to pay .by having more kid so they can vote for more liberals and put more american worker out of a job ,amnesty will not work has not worked ,and will only get more of the same the law is clear on this no documents[illegal] arrest detain deport not hard to understand is it

      • wayne bower

        Im so surprised at how are money starved politicians are handling this immigration thing. There is one thing they never talk about and that is how much money these illegals are screwing them out of at the immigration office. Im not sure what it costs to file papers but i think its around $455.00. Now multiply that times the 20million or so illegals here and you can probably buy another bank or car company.

        • Enlightened one

          American liberal, why waste time with these boneheads, they only want to bash the immigrants and more laws that won’t work.

          • http://?? Joe H.

            E.O.,
            I suggest you read my post above. If you don’t then YOU are the bonehead! I suppose we shouldn’t bash the ones sitting in our prison for nothing more than killing, raping children and women,shooting police officers, running hard drugs, I suggest you bore out a little of that bone in your skull so somebody can transplant a brain in there!!!

          • JC

            Actually, I don’t blame the Illegal Immigrants, I blame the complete lack of a Justice system in our country. If we had one that enforced existing laws…well we might even have an “American” President.

  • val piano

    The pin heads Scumer and Graham need to be put in a mental ward. Kick ALL these illegals out NOW. When we kick them out, kick out all the bleeding hearts that want them to stay also. I bought a boarder patrol hat, WOW does that work when you walk into a mall.

  • Raggs

    Isn’t Cali making pot legal going to give yet another reason for illegals to enter this country?

    • JC

      I wouldn’t think so. What prompts you to ask that question?

  • Jack Martinez

    The problem here is that once more,we don’t want to deport them but at the same time we don’t want to legalize them,it’s the American way to do things.First,serve our country and them,keep working but with no documents.Who have built freeways,roads,houses,clean our shit,inside and outside houses,let me tell you,it hasn’t been afroamericans or whites,get real people,all what we want is to keep all this people suffering for years,in the american way,
    God bless America,in GOLD we trust.

  • Jack Martinez

    It’s because all this hate that more and more countries in the world hate us everytime more,don’t expect to be welcome in other countries.

    • marvin

      to jack martinez , first i don,t give a rats ass what your other countrys think about we the people, and as for illegals building just look at the country were most illegal come from,, drug dealer and crooked goverment have bank rup mexico sounds like that is what you want here we have more then enuf poor here now, that can not find a job but with your obama thinking thats ok

  • chuck b

    the bleeding hearts crying about how we can’t deport 11-15 million illegals, how in hell do they think these people got here? let them go back the same way they came. i didn’t hear these same people crying about their welfare then. they walked over here and can do the same going back. those that came in from the carribean can paddle back. they managed to get here by anything that could float. so now we are obligated to furnish these people transportation, sounds like typical liberal politics, they don’t want to lose these voters, so don’t expect anything to happen except the illegals will be signed up to vote in novemember or at least by 2012.

  • Dr. Mabuse

    Supposedly we are a country that functions by rule of law. On the surface, this is a good thing. When the law is selectively applied (or ignored) depending upon the case, our security as well as our faith in “the system” is thoroughly undermined. This question of amnesty people who’ve come here illegally is a no brainer. No amnesty…. period. If you or I break the law, I can guarantee that after arrest, some mealy mouth Asst. D.A. will be strutting around the courtroom with his member in his hand looking to insert it into the rear orifice of the defendant. Why should an illegal alien (no matter what country he or she is from) be exempt from the rule of law? Certainly not for political expediency.

    • http://?? Joe H.

      Dr.,
      If you go before a judge and say but judge, I didn’t know about that law, he will tell you that ignorance of the law is no excuse!!! These people can’t even claim ignorance!!! Even though a good number of the illegals are!!!

  • jwe

    For years the Congress and Senate sat on this issue and did nothing because…. they did not want to lose tha Hispanic vote…. Shame on them and the Hispanics that support this idiotic reform by Schumer and Graham…. Why is there even a debate on this issue does the word “ILLEGAL” mean anything to the house and Senate or are they so used to their own “ILLEGAL” activities that they do not recognize the issues at hand. I dare any American (that includes our eloustreous elected officials) to crsoo the Mexican Border and demand public services as they (the illegals) do here in the US. You would be sent to prison(if you servived the police ) and you would sit there till you rot. There is NO AMNESTY for LAW BREAKERS … that includes all those born here to illegal parents. If they are here illegally so is their seed here illegally. Stop this crap that as soon as you cross the border and give birth it maakes you legal… it does not… it would be the same as if a swallow hatched her in young in a stable they would be either cows or horses depending on the type of stable it was….. If that is not a good enough explanation then you can draw your own. The LEGAL IMMIGRANTS who had to work for years to get an entry visa should rise up and demand equal amnesty… they should all be granted citizenship without doing anything to deserve it. They(the legal ones) have to be in this country for a minimum of 5 years before they can apply fpor citizenship, theu=y must submit to FBI scrutiny and fingerprinting and other processes to become a citizen of this great nation. Where in heaven did these politicians receive the blessing that they can just bypass the syatem (all for votes) and spit on the procedure?. Will somebody please clarify this for me…Thanks

  • Richard Cancemi

    Graham and other rinos have lain in bed with liberal dogs so many times that they are crawling with fleas. Rinos must be ousted and replaced with conservatives.

  • American liberal

    Until we address the reason people cross our borders no test or fines or laws we make are going to stop people from coming here illegally…. The real offenders are the greedy employers that hire illegal immigrants fully knowing the people they hire are illegals…these greedy people offering people jobs at below minimum wage are the real offenders….. No fence, no threats , no laws.. Nothing will stop illegals till we enforce the laws we already have on the books….. Stop trying to blame the people who come here…were going to be arguing about amnasty in another decade if we don’t adress the WHY people are breaking our laws…

    • JeffH

      The real blame falls in the hands of those that refuse to uphold the laws. A lot of employers do hire illegals, but the state and federal governments that control the enforcement of the immigration laws refuse to co-operate and authorize law enforcement to do their job. Los Angeles comes to mind right away.

      Crime & the Illegal Alien
      The Fallout from Crippled Immigration Enforcement

      The LAPD’s ban on immigration enforcement is replicated in immigrant-heavy localities across the country, in New York, Chicago, Austin, San Diego, and Houston, for example. These so-called “sanctuary policies” generally prohibit a city�s employees, including the police, from reporting immigration violations to federal authorities.

      http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/back704.html

      • http://verizon kbab

        Rewarding illegals just creates more illegals and the incentive to sneak into America and work and get your cards and by the way to stress finances even more.

        • American liberal

          Kbab… If theirs no jobs for illegals theirs no reward…. Look at it like treating a disease….if you know how to cure it why keep taking medicine over and over when theirs an easy cure?… Their is no other solution … Theirs no law or threat that would keep illegals from coming here… Only enforcing the laws aginst hiring illegals will work…. It’s a law enforcement issue… Not a goverment issue…all that needs to be done is make the local police do their jobs… Not more red tape… Wow.. I’m a liberal arguing with conservatives about smaller goverment on this issue…. We don’t need to spend billions and involve the federal goverment..

        • JC

          If you don’t want bird crap all over your deck, take the bird feeder away. Simple.

      • American liberal

        Jeff.. Are you saying those that hire the illegals aren’t the guilty ones?… As long as illegal have incentive ( jobs) to cross our borders they’re going to keep coming…. It’s like Ants and sweets… You keep leaving the sweets out and the ants keep coming….. Take the sweets away and the ants go too….were just throwing away money and resources if we don’t eliminate the reason they come….. And it’s the people who hire the illegals that encourage those crossing our borders…do you realize how much it would cost to mobilize the military to round them up( if we could find them) and then the cost of deporting them?…it’s simple…. No jobs and theirs no reason to illegally cross our border…. I’m talking about enforcing the immigration laws we already have on the books…. Why would you want the goverment involved in a law enforcement issue?… And I’m the liberal here..

        • JeffH

          Don’t put words in my mouth, I know exactly what I said. Just read it.
          “The real blame falls in the hands of those that refuse to uphold the laws. A lot of employers do hire illegals, but the state and federal governments that control the enforcement of the immigration laws refuse to co-operate and authorize law enforcement to do their job”

          That equates to some employers as well as government that refuse to uphold the law!
          How hard was that to understand?

          • JeffH

            “do you realize how much it would cost to mobilize the military to round them up( if we could find them) and then the cost of deporting them” I know if they were rouded up and deported, the end cost would be less than to continue to pay for them forever as their numbers would just continue to increase. One doesn’t need to be a math major or an economist to figure that much out.

          • http://none Dan Costello

            SORRY BUT PREVIOUSLY THERE WERE ‘TYPOS’ IN THAT IT SHOULD BE ‘THEIR’ NOT THIER AND ‘EXPECT’ NOT EXSPECT…..SORRY BUT I WONDER IF THE TWO SENATORS WOULD REALLY NOTICE. I’M SO ‘PISSED OFF’ I’M FORGETTING HOW TO SPELL. LIBERALS WILL DO THAT TO YOU.

          • JeffH

            …why would it be necessary to mobilize the military when there is the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). It is their job exclusively to enforce and assist other federal, local and state agencies in carrying out and enforcing the laws pertaining to illegal immigration violators.

            U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is the largest investigative agency in the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

            Formed in 2003 as part of the federal government’s response to the 9/11 attacks, ICE’s mission is to protect the security of the American people and homeland by vigilantly enforcing the nation’s immigration and customs laws.

            ICE combines innovative investigative techniques, new technological resources and a high level of professionalism to provide a wide range of resources to the public and to our federal, state and local law enforcement partners.
            http://www.ice.gov/about/index.htm

          • JeffH

            “One hundred years ago, Teddy Roosevelt, another elected official who began his career in the New York State Assembly, stated, “In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American.”

  • American liberal

    I think the problem is you conservatives are afraid to let the words come out of your mouths that it’s the people who hire the illegals that are at fault….it will make you feel better to admitt it… We can’t keep blaming people for coming here when we have people on our side if the border encouraging them to come…

    • http://none Dan Costello

      Lindsey Graham Cracker & turncoat Schumer should have (analogy) ‘illegals’ break into thier homes and exspect free food, education, a car and a warm bed and do nothing in return. When in GOD’s good name are these morons going to get it. We’ve worked so hard all our lives and now share it with these ‘do-nothings’ shame, shame on you two and you’re senators. Good grief.

    • Pat R

      Amer. Lib:

      Speaking as a Conservative; I have to agree with you on this. I have stated many times that: Closing any Business that hires illegals and
      fining them (big time) would help solve this issue! Until a business
      would clean up their “ACT” they would not be allowed to reopen!!

  • eddie47d

    Jeff H;You all talk about wanting government out of our business;no taxes,no snooping,ect. Law Enforcement is Government and we pay alot of taxes to support them. They can’t do their job just like alot of government agencies because “conservatives” like you will not raise taxes to get the job done. It costs more than local and state taxes can afford and you are always railing against higher federal taxes. American Liberal is right about this one. It’s the businesses who bring these illegals to America and will not hire American citizens who are mostly to blame. These businesses who promise pie in the sky to these immigrants and phoney I.D.’s to keep them working are more responsible than law enforcement. One reason that cities across America became Sanctuary havens is because of the draconian police raids. People became fed up with legal Americans being rounded up with them and jailed. Civil rights are violated all the time,but to do it right would envolve more taxes.Which you are against! You also have said on more than one occasion that business should have fewer regulations and less government controls.Since that would mean more rules and paper work for businesses I guess you wouldn’t put any more burdens on companies that hire illegals? On top of that these companies would be screaming for a bigger tax break to handle added documentations. The burden is really on them!

    • JeffH

      I rail agaimst a radical socilist agenda by Obama and the Democratic Socialist Party, Giagantic Government and a Republican Rino Party that contributes to the growth of government and government overspending. I believe in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and consider myself to be a conservative minded individual that makes rational decisions. I have no problem paying taxes, what I have a propblem with is a government that decides I need to pay for their extravagant lifestyles and waste. The government works for the people, not the other way around. I refuse to become a “slave” for a government that has decided they don’t have to honor their oath of office, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights or the very principles this country was found on. I refuse to support every lazy ass Tom, Dick and Harry and every illegal alien that sucks the lifes blood from the seates and the federal government. I refuse to be a slave to a president that feels a need to destroy our economic freedom under the disguise of “hope and change”. I refuse to support those that threaten my freedom of choice. I refuse to support the government that refuses to enforce the very laws they are sworn by oath to enforce. If ICE won’t go after those businesses that hire illegals, then how can you blame them for continuing to break the law. I don’t expect a rational answer because you can’t give me one.

    • JeffH

      Your whole approach is bass acwards, why would I want government to become more efficient when I can just pay more taxes to cover their inefficiencies and their out of control spending …where do you get the irrational idea that I think it is OK for companies to hire illegals. I used to do hiring and there was a specific criteria set up by law that I had to follow, including a valid ID and SS Card and a work background check. It was pretty simple to follow.
      You liberals all think alike, just bow down to the sheperd to keep your spot at the trough no matter what the cost. Redistribution of wealth ain’t my thing, I’ve worked too hard for what I got and I aim to keep it. I’ll decide what charity I’ll donate to and the government does not have a right to tell me!

    • JeffH

      Government “help” to business is just as disastrous as government persecution… the only way a government can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping its hands off.
      Ayn Rand

      • JC

        The scariest words in the world:
        “Hi, we’re from the government and we’re here to help”.

        • Jim H.

          JC, Words NOT in a bureaucrats vocabulary- just leave it alone. If it’s not broken don’t fix it.

        • eddie47d

          So you Quote Ayn Rand at 11:49pm and at 11:33am 4-7 you say you’ve never read her. Sounds fishy to me and your not the only one who quotes Ayn Rand. You should be more versed in who you use to beef up your arguments,or are you just copying all the other right wingers? Not much different than saying Obama is in bed with Bill Ayers because he once was in the same room with him.

          • JeffH

            Fast eddie4yd, you lack of common sense is overshadowed by stupidity in this “Ayn Rand” matter. You read a few “quotes” and right away your liberal attack shifts to discredit Ayn Rand, just as a few others have also done elsewhere. Never mind who or what she might have been because I really don’t care. I do know that it turns you snakes inside out. That matters! If the shoe fits the libby, wear it.

          • JeffH

            “Sounds fishy to me”. Did it ever occur to you that you might not be as smart as you think you are? It’s pretty obvious to me!

          • Bruce Baker

            Why is nobody asking the question, “Why doesn’t the current admistration, and why didn’t the previous administration WANT to enforce the standing immigration laws?”

            When Arizona passes a law that MIRRORS the federal statute, and the strongest objection they can come up with is, “That’s our job. We don’t want your help, thank you.” Duh! That’s because they don’t WANT the law enforced! Many politicians will say, “It’s impractical/we don’t have the resources to deport 11 million (really 40 million!) illegal aliens.” They’re probably right. They don’t have the resources. Here’s an idea: use what scant resources they do have to stringently enforce the standing laws against hiring illegals and those against using false documents to obtain employment. About a half a dozen publicized convicions for those crimes, and at least 3/4ths of the illegals will self deport.

            If they can’t work, what’s the incentive to stay? To me it’s a no-brainer. Mimimum cost, maximum effect. Why don’t they do it? They (for the past SEVERAL presidents and congresses) don’t want to prosecute their constituents, and probably heavy campaign contributors!!! The interests that want cheap, illegal labor have contributed to executive and legislative political candidates for the past 15-20 years with the understanding that they’ll keep the border open and keep enforcement of any immigration laws lax. They only prosecute and deport the hardened criminals so that they can point to those actions and say, “See! We’re doing something!”.

            Too bad it’s not doing ANYTHING to solve the problem. It’s just treating the symptoms. Like giving cough syrup to a lung cancer patient. If we made it impossible for the millions of otherwise law abiding illegal aliens to work here and caused them to leave, the criminal element would be all too conspicuous, and could be rounded up shortly using the process that’s already operating now. It’s a win-win for everyone except the people that the law and the Constitution don’t mean anything to compared to their “compassionate desire” to reward lawbreakers and punish legal immigrants.

            It’s also too bad for the illegal immigrants. We haven’t enforced either immigration law or drug law effectively because it’s “impractical”, so it was hard for them to believe it mattered to us. They were living the Mexican-American/Somali-American/Fill-in-the-Blank-American dream. And now, just because 175 million American-Americans woke up and discovered a HUGE problem, those poor lawbreakers will have their hopes dashed… Too bad they didn’t know, “If it seems too good to be true, like there’s a catch or gimmick, there probably is!” Let’s pretend we don’t need to pay attention to US immigration laws! You wanna’?

            By the way, look up “The Fourteenth Amendment” on Wikipedia. The authors of the amendment, and politicians who ratified it all understood that it was NEVER to apply to aliens. It was to prevent local and state GOVERNMENTS from denying the freed slaves their citizenship rights. No more automatic citizenship unless at least one parent is a citizen. Children of non-citizen legal immigrants could become citizens when one of their parents do, or take the citizenzhip exam with no waiting when they turn the age of majority in whatever state they happen to reside in. And it should be the State government that issues the citizenship papers. They are right there in the neighborhood, and the Federal government can delegate that power for the sake of efficiency, if nothing else.

          • libertytrain

            eddie4d – GOOD GRIEF! One doesn’t have to have read anyone’s book to find a collection of quotes online – and one can enjoy the meaning of the quote —

          • JeffH

            Thank you libertytrain, you get it.

          • eyeswideopen

            eddie, jeff is acting like a “troll” that he accuses others of being. He got a new idea and is playing it like a violin. squeak, squeak. ping!!!! Notice how less verbal he has been versus the other sites, the other nite??? Pretty much proves my point that it wasn’t Jeff writting those posts. Who ever was doing it for him, was good,very good but now we have the old jeff back and you can tell, as it is the same old Soros, Alinsky, yada yada yada line of thinking.

          • JeffH

            Glad you liked them! Enjoy!
            Just as man can’t exist without his body, so no rights can exist without the right to translate one’s rights into reality, to think, to work and keep the results, which means: the right of property.
            Ayn Rand

      • Jeep

        JeffH, eddie is just trying to bait you into a discussion of little relevance. He knows that we all agree on the basic govt services (i.e. police, fire, roads, etc.) We have disagreements on the level of govt required to provide those services. Are B&E’s a national problem, or can they be handled locally. What about pot holes on your street? Can the county, or state handle that better?

        That leads to a more complicated problem of what services should be provided for nationally. Some things come to mind easily, such as the military, foreign policy and trade.

        But, the overriding disagreements at the national level come when the federal govt steps outside the 17 enumerated powers given in that “pesky” Constitution. And, when the federal govt decides that it will usurp what would naturally, or constitutionally be considered a state issue. Recently, several liberal members of congress have made bold statements that they really do not follow the Constitution.

        My point is, that when it is looked at in bold strokes, it is obvious that conservatives/libertarians and liberals have fundamentally differing ideas on the roles of govt. And, that we may argue about such things as immigration reform, but we are not even starting on the same page. In general, liberals see their salvation in the federal govt, conservatives/libertarians not so much.

        • JeffH

          Jeep, I do understand what eddie is doing. It is a theme that is all to familiar anymore.

        • eyeswideopen

          Jeep, you are wrong, some Independents, have a hard time understanding how someone like Jeff, who is on Medicare and SS disability can complain about the helping hand he is receiving from the government. You can’t have it both ways. The government either takes care of the elderly (your momma and Daddy) the young and those who have disabilities with medicare and SS or they fend for themselves. I am all for killing Medicare and SS. However most of the people on this site like their Medicare and Ss and go crazy when I state that it should be phased out. It is the hypocrisy that is so fundamentally wrong. It seems they like their socialist programs, but just don’t want anyone else to have the same level of care, not even the children or the people who become disabled early in life. You can’t participate in social programs and then bash them and the people whose taxes help pay for them.

  • eddie47d

    Meteorlady,many valid points,especially closing the border until we can work this problem out. Jeff H.;I stand by what I said. You always state that businesses should have the freedom to run their companies as they see fit.If these companies are as responsible as you are then there shouldn’t be a problem with hiring illegals. Obviously many aren’t and they are the ones who created this problem. So what should we do with these other companies that lack integrity? If they go to the government for help in solving a problem they created then they have government on their backs. Businesses and government should be working together on many issues. Any other way is counter productive and creates stalmates. Personally I want Government involved with illegals,welfare recipiants,and the unemployed. Too many people have too many excuses for not working even in good times. If your able bodied and refuse to work then the government should step in. If the farmers need laborers then we the tax payers or private companies should get these folks out to the fields. That includes city folks who may be away from their families for months. If you want to be apart of America then contribute and stop complaining. Jeff,you called these people lazy and some are,but we need a bigger incentive to break their cycle. If private companies can do it fine,if not then your just blowing alot of smoke.

    • JeffH

      Fast eddie47d, the only one blowing smoke is YOU and a few of your cohorts.
      You just stated: ” If you want to be apart of America then contribute and stop complaining. Jeff,you called these people lazy and some are,but we need a bigger incentive to break their cycle.”

      I’ve spent 40+ years paying my share without nary a whisper. Your whole definition of “breaking the cycle” is giving them “bigger incentives”. With that mindset, you’ll never “break the cycle” with the “more taxes” = “more incentives” = more feeding at the government trough. I just believe in responsibility, which means working and not expecting others to take care of my needs. Your definition of responsibility is that others must be responsible for those that choose to feed at the trough.

      Sorry pal, not my responsibility to be irresponsible.

      I’ve made my point and I stand by it, we just don’t agree on whose responsible for what and why.

      • JeffH

        This conversation is now officialy over.

  • TIME

    This is just 100% WRONG in all respects!
    We don’t need any Federal ID cards, and or chip inplants. Just say “No thanks.”

    Toss out – both of these fruit cakes, thats you people in New York for Chuckie, and you that live in SC for Graham.

  • American liberal

    The plan in this artical would weed out the immigrants that are productive to our country and expose those that aren’t….. We should tighten up our border security and start enforcing our laws … I don’t have any doubt that some republicans will be against anything that comes from or during president Obamas administration….at some point the laws aginst hiring illegals must be enforced or we will find ourselfs in an illegal immigration circle….. I salute the Obama administration for taking this issue on… The last administration just ignored this issue

  • Amy007

    The bill is very good, not perfect, but good enough and Republicans should support it. We can’t deport 11 million people – it’s a fact and they will not go by themselves either. Deportations are too expensive and the money should be rather used for education, healthcare or building infrastructure. Instead of chasing undocumented immigrants we should give them papers and let them pay taxes if they don’t already, and give them a chance to become citizens like many immigrants before them. Many of those people have husbands/wives who are US citizens or permanent residents. How can we call our country a country of immigrants if we ruin immigrant lives. This is America – a country that was built by immigrants and we must preserve this tradition. Every human being deserves a chance to be happy. We also need to remember that many of the undocumented immigrants came to this country legally, but had no chance to work their ways towards permanent residency or citizenship because of the broken immigration law that we have. They are hard working people and the only thing they want is a better life for their families. many are here for many years or even decades. We must give them a chance to live in the US; they are already a part of our society anyway.

  • Emma

    A biometric social security card will curb illegal immigration dramatically. Strong enforcement and legalization now of the otherwise law abiding illegal immigrants is the way to go.

  • s c

    What is WRONG with you people? HOW can you be so willing to throw away your freedom, and do it in the name of security? HOW can you not be able to see through the masks of these worthless pretenders?
    Schumer and Graham are dyed-in-the-wool, NWO-style useful idiots. They take care of their careers FIRST. If they ever do anything for America, it’s a fluke.
    Graham and Schumer should be told to take those implants and SHOVE THEM where the sun never shines. Let THEM tell us how THEY like being part of an experiment. We are NOT anybody’s animals.
    New Yorkers, I’m tired of enduring your STUPIDITY. South Carolina, whatever your problem is, FIX IT.
    If there’s any reason to put an implant in anyone, put them in those self-made retards we keep sending to Washington.

  • Carl McGinnis

    I wonder how many of the people apposed to reform know how much we are spending to detain and deport immigrants now. It’s a huge expence. I was not aware of it until a friend from Paris France was arrested for a mistake his American wife made. She is addicted to prescription pain killers and she gets them from a Dr. but also buys extra off the street. She has lost everything, no drivers license, no job, no health insurance and in the process of losing there home. She has been arrested twice since he was detained and has spent all his savings and closed there joint accounts. She is a mess. He is detained and fighting deportation at this time. He has been in a private prison for 9 months now. He has paid 27,000 in legal fees and expenses. But we the Government, Have paid the private prison our hard earned tax dollars for many months, and he has done nothing wrong. He has never even had a traffic violation and he is 51 yrs old.She should be in rehab and jail. I feel he should be released and allowed to work. He has a double masters degree in finance and was working on his PhD here in the United States.He was legal,never undocumented, had nothing to hide. But because of ICE, Mr. Obama, and Janet Napolitano. He is costing us thousands, We all would be better off to let him out, let him work and pay taxes like the rest of us. The republicans don’t want to spend money, but in this case they are spending plenty, He has asked to be released but the private prison called Broward Transitional Center near Miami Florida makes a lot of money to keep him detained.The prison is owned by a company called GEO and it is largely owned by Ex vp Dick Chaney…….now you know the rest of the story!It’s all about the money! Shame on America.

  • Jim H.

    Amy, We should just let people who are breaking our laws keep doing it, because it would cost to much to deport them? It would cost less to deport them, then what it is costing us with the over burdening of the health and educational systems they are using right now. Then there is the identity theft, an illegal could be using you ss# right now. We are talking about ILLEGAL immigrants, not the ones who came in the front door. The argument that families will be separated,they knew what could happen when they started that family. You say some have been here for decades, That just means they haven’t gotten caught, not that they have earned the right to be here. They are still ILLEGAL.

  • Joe H.

    Amy007,
    they won’t deport themselves? Try fining any employer that employs them and doesn’t use E-verify, and I mean a big fine for EACH illegal they hire. fine every landlord that rents to them and again, make it a good fine!!! Make it manditory for all schools to use E-verify as well. Watch how they self-deport when the jobs dry up the apartments aren’t available, and they can’t get welfare!!! The state of Arizona got real tough with them and they moved out and went to surrounding states and the same will happen in the United States as a whole!!!
    As far as your statement of how much it costs, it can’t cost too much more that the combined cost of welfare, unemployment, and state services to all of them!! That unemployment, by the way, is due to them taking jobs away from citizens of this country!!!

  • American liberal

    Good post Amy.. I agree… Rounding up 11 million people is unworkable and just plain impossible….

  • William Nealey

    amy the key word is IMIGRANT not border jumping law breakers,

  • marvin

    to Amy007 so you think it,s ok to just do what you want never mind it being illegal hell i think i will just go rob a bank or two would that be ok with you i say you are ether an illegal or a liberal amnesty will not work all it got the last time we gave amnesty was millions more illegals comeing here demanding amnesty so you think it,s ok to break the law being in this country illegally is a crime and there are victoms 15 million unemployed american that have lost there jobs or wages cut you say 11 million illegals i say 20 million and what are you going to do with the next 30 million are you willing to take them in to your home i am not 99% of illegals can not speak or write english have no or vary little education illegals won,t even fight for there own country that thay have let fall in to poverty now you want the same people to stay here and do the same we are not the world bank we are broke wake up no amnesty arrest detain DEPORT DEPORT DEPORT

  • American Citizen

    We can’t take in the whole world. The problems need to be fixed in their own countries. That’s where we should help.

  • Southern Goddess

    Why can’t the liberals and pacifists understand that if a person is in this country illegally they are breaking the law! Period! What part of “ILLEGAL ALIEN” do they not understand? They have broken the law. And if they say they pay taxes…then who’s social security number did they steal? Another law broken. When they sign up for all of the government freebies that us hard working AMERICAN CITIZENS have to pay for…what name, address, or other false information do they supply? It is not fair to those who come here the right way. No one has a problem with Immigration…The problem is with “ILLEGAL ALIENS” which is what these law breakers are. And as for the “Anchor Babies”…the law that allows this to happen was written just after the Civil War. It was to allow any slave or indentured servant to become a citizen if they chose to. It was never intended to be used in this agregious manner. It needs to be stopped.We do not deserve to used and abused by those who chose to break the law or by those who are in CONGRESS WHO REFUSE TO UPHOLD THEIR OATH OF OFFICE to protect the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. Come November we will see who laughs last.

  • Amy’s a DOLT!

    Amy, you are as retarded as they come. Get a clue and put the glue-pipe down. You’ve obviously had enough.

  • del

    We can’t afford to deport them my A$$. The money saved in medical cost due to these parasites alone would be more than enough to send them back. Not to mention money and or goods confiscated from them. And for all the farmers that are crying about getting there crops picked, they would have plenty of FREE LABOR. Supplied by the steady flow of incarcerated illegal aliens. Is someone thinking anchor baby of course you are this is a simple fix too, If you are born here illegally you should not be granted citizenship either. If you don’t agree with that fine. Simply give the illegal aliens the option of taking their kid that has citizenship with them if they like. This country wasn’t built by bleeding hearts, but it is darn sure getting torn apart by them. By the way all bleeding hearts should be deported too

  • DamnYankee

    And what about the millions of unemployed Americans?Should not American employers of illegal aliens be fined for hiring illegals rather than Americans willing to do the same job? This aiding and abetting of illegals so that the “bottom line”,(profit) in my opinion is close to treason. The same holds true for those corporations that move to foreign lands, hiring them, rather than stay in the States and hire Americans. Some call it profit, others call it greed, I call it treason.

  • Joe H.

    Carl,
    You know, it’s real funny, this is the second time I’ve heard this story and you aren’t the one that told it before!!!! I’m not a real big believer in coincidence!!!!

  • s c

    Send that bill to George Soros. He’s a caring kind of dude. Of course, he can also afford it. If Soros isn’t in the mood, send the bill to Obummer. Of course, if Obummer tries to pay fo it with a check, it will probably bounce. In that event, send the bill to any group of 20 ultraliberal progressives in Congress. They’re filthy rich, and I’m sure they’d be happy to pay for it, and “solve” the problem.

  • eyeswideopen

    Carl, so you think ICE just started with Obama? I see, sorry, I forgot, he is responsible for all our immigration problems that the previous administrations going back to 1986 didn’t enforce the laws. Ok, I get it, blame him for everything that has ever gone wrong with this country, is that the new talking points that you conservatives are using now???

  • hUSIK

    sHUT THE HECK UP,

  • William Nealey

    Joe you got the right idea. too bad those IDIOTS in washington cant understand something so simple.

  • eyeswideopen

    JoeH, what about having a fee for crossing the border each time? That money could be used to help enforce the patrols and fund the high tech equipment we need. It is not feasible to round up 12 million, so we need to come up with some kind of criteria of who to send back. What would you use???

  • crista smith

    Joe H,

    Right on brother! Stop giving them all the FREE shit they get and the jobs the jobs they take! Believe me, they will go home…Stop the damn gravey chain and say good-bye!

  • hUSIK

    YOU R STUPID, HOW COULD YOU SEPARATE FAMILIIES FROM EACH OTHER….i’M SURE EVEN IN NORTH KOREA, THEY UNDERSTAND THIS IS NOT GOOD TO SEPARATE FAMILIES…EVENTHOUGH WE CALLING THEM VERY EXTREME PEOPLE…U NEED TO GET PSYCHIC CLASSES…!

  • American liberal

    The republicans only idea was nonsense… A fence ?… Anybody really think that’s a solution?…

  • TIME

    A Nano Wit,
    WOW your back, well lets see it seems to me that in the 1950′s Eisenhower, you may recall he was one of our Presidents was able to round up over 15 million illegalls and send them back in their home country with out any problems, oh and that was in less than six months.

    So why is it now so hard to do the same thing, could it be due to their being then thousand times more visible now? Yea right I don’t think so.

    Look the facts are, you go down to Mexico illegally and get cought and you will spend “many years in prison,” not the nice clean type like we have here in the US.
    Or lets say your really on a wild ride and you just per chance make it into China illegally, your dead bubba!

    The facts are its a Federal law thats been broken, if YOU break a frederal law, say like not paying your income tax, you get fined and sent to prison. That is unless your in congress or the senate or one of BarryO’s buds.
    These folks have broken the law, thus a small fine is not within reason when American citizens are treated by our own government in a far more harsh mannor for lesser breaches.

    The national ID card scam is just that, its one more step in taking away “US Citezens Freedom.”

    And just for the record the Illegalls here in the US work for {cash money,} they are not on pay rolls. Just go to any Home Depot at the far end of the parking lot and pick one up.

    Again thats just 100% totaly wrong!

    Again if you live in New York VOTE out Chuckie, if your in SC vote out Graham. There thats one on each side of the isle.

  • CJ

    There you go, Am Lib… America has ALWAYS found a way to do the difficult or impossible. That’s why we’re America!

    You keep us all laughing at your constant, unsubstantiated, anti-conservative attacks. Everybody here with a brain just ignores most of what you say. Keep it up, we need the laugh!! Meanwhile, the rest of us will find the solution! Enforce what we have and quit looking for lazy-man’s alternatives because it’s “too hard” to do. When you quit dwelling on the past and focus on the present, then a solution will soon follow.

  • TIME

    hUsik,

    Ok lets see thats a great statment you made it really stands out as the work of a “True Brain Trust”.

    Thanks for the post I feel so much better now.

  • http://naver samurai

    hUSIK must also be an illegal alien!

  • Mark

    Senator Charles E. Schumer and Senator Lindsey Graham are self licking ice cream cones.

  • Raggs

    I will say this much…
    The first bastard that trys to place a micro-chip in or on me will regret it!

  • s c

    hUSIKee, I’ve been told that North Korea is nice this time of the year. They’re always strapped for cash, so think about taking a LONG trip there. Consider moving there, since you care so much about them. Don’t forget to take some of your chums with you.
    I have a lengthy list of your icons who need to live in North Korea for 10 years or longer. If you specifically ask, I will also send you some envelopes and a small cash fund so you’ll have plenty of stamps on hand and you can let us know how your experiment is “progressing.”
    Take care, and remember that the fate of the free world rests on your shoulders. Bye bye. Keep those cards and letters coming. We care, too, in our own way(s). Remember, we only want what’s best for you. Trust me.

  • Jim H.

    hUSIK, People that break the law are separated from their families all the time. If Dad robs a bank, he goes to prison and is separated from the family. Someone here ILLEGALLY is committing a crime. Both should have thought of their family before committing a crime. Sometimes families move because of a job moving adult children and grand children away and they didn’t even commit a crime. My wives Dad and sister live 1200 miles from here and her brother is even farther. Military families get separated all the time and these people are SERVING their country. So I”M not the ogre you think I am because I don’t believe that family separation is a reason to allow ILLEGALS to stay.
    .

  • http://naver samurai

    Well, since you talk about North Korea, a nation you seem to know nothing about, how do you think that all these illegals effect “We the People?” Our citizens are being buried alive under burdens never authorized by our Constitution or our founding documents. For example: The average citizen working the first 6 months of the year just to pay welfare programs to foreign nationals never authorized by our Constitution. We are a nation of laws and DO NOT reward law breakers.

  • gamm392

    You dont separate them you throw them both out or the whole family, plus if you dont seal the borders nothing else works why cant people understand that otherwise how do you know who was already here and who just came in while you were sleeping. by the way just because you capitalize all your letters does not impress me.

  • del

    No one wants to separate families. They should take their kids with them!

  • http://n/a JOHN B.

    Sounds like a good solution since the problem can not be eliminated, it certainly needs to be corrected and getting illegals registered and documented and paying their fair share is the most logical thing to do. If we have neither the means nor the will to deport them all, making them a part of the system and having them pay is the next best thing.

  • http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/H1B_GO_HOME/ H1B_GO_HOME

    We need to stop feeding the cockroaches. This country is in the worst economic predicament since the Great Depression partially due to the policy of dumping massive quantities of cheap foreign labor to distort the labor market. Combined with “free trade agreements” that are designed to benefit international bankers and insider cronies these policies are not only destroying America, but dragging down every other country’s economy in the process. Check out this link:

    http://www.exponentialimprovement.com/cms/index.shtml

  • William Nealey

    I dont trust anything a deemo and a RINO come up with, it seems to me they have been studying hitlers methods too much.

  • Tim D.

    I don’t think Chuck is a fruitcake. I don’t agree with his position on amnesty. I actually contributed to Graham’s primary challenger Buddy Witherspoon, but unfortunately Graham won. Perhaps next time around the good people of SC will wake up and smell the coffee.
    After the past murder of fellow engineer Anthony Battaglia on his own front lawn by six members of the “Latin Kings” in NY, and the recent murder of a rancher and his dog by an illegal immigrant from Mexico perhaps others will “smell the coffee” and get the Border fence built and do some serious internal enforcement. I see absolutely no reason to release felons who are illegal aliens back into the USA! Transport them back to their countries of origin forthwith!

  • JeffH

    The only reform necessary at this point is to reform the government to support the existing laws on immigration. If one is here illegally, ship them back and let them adhere to and go thru the same rules of the laws already in place. Make an application for citizenship or a green card and let the laws decide the fate of those that want to become legal workers and citizens. Otherwise, take a hike.

  • William Nealey

    TIME you make more sense than anyone yet. and you are 100% right,

  • American liberal

    I can’t find any sites that claim 11 to 12 million illegals were rounded up and deported in the 1950,’… That was a bit before my time… I have my doubts… Right now thanks to you conservative republicans this country is flat broke and I can see you want to just glide past the fact that Ronald Reagan gave illegals amnasty and George W. Bush just ignored the issue so he could conduct his personal adventure aginst Iraq and now no matter what our current president does you’ll call it socialism … I’d bet that if you didn’t mention socialism and tyranny during Bushs presidency then you probley don’t know what tyranny or socialism is…. That’s why I’m suspect when you accuse president Obama of socialism and tyranny…. Aside from healthcare which the democrats say will pay for itself over time the most of president Obamas spending has been to stimulate the economy that Bush destroyed…. Bush broke plenty of laws and stomped on the constitution over and over but you claim President Obamas the socialist ?….that why I think people like me suspect you of racism…president Obama has done nothing compared to socialism and tyranny when compared to Bush and my fear is you tea “party” members are just republicans in disguise and will put the same type of republican conservatives in that drove our country into this recession( that appears to be ending) or improving thanks to the steps president Obama ” had to take”..

  • American liberal

    Time… I’ll give you that from what I’m reading it ” appears” Eisenhower did try and enforce our immigration laws, so I salute him and give him credit… Ok?… But nowhere can I find anything from the 1950′s that suggests he had 11 million illegals rounded up and deported…. Again, it’s impossible… He may have sent hundreds or even a few thousand , but not millions.. So like I said I salute him for trying but the fact is here we sit today with between 11 and 20 million with a broke goverment ( thanks Bush and republicans) so we need to do what’s best for the country and that’s a path to citizenship with penaltys and fines and then we need to make sure the law us followed and these companys that hire undocumented people are fined or if they repeat close down their business….. We want to make sure we don’t just keep handing out amnasty like Ronald Reagan and ignoring illegal immigration like Bush

  • JeffH

    Operation Wetback was a 1954 operation by the United States Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) to remove about one million illegal immigrants from the southwestern United States, focusing on Mexican nationals.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback

  • Tiko98

    eddie47d
    I live in New York and I am going to not vote for Schumer but most of the time he has no one running against him and that is how he has been in office for way way way to long. But he will not get my vote or the votes of any of my likeminded friends.
    Illegals are literaly causing this country to go broke. We feed them, pay for their medicaid, pay school taxes for their children to attend school, and some even want our social security before they have paid for it. While lower income Americans can get none of this type of help when needed. Think also how much impact they have on our land and enviorment. They use water, electricty, and need to get rid of trash. Our country can hold only so many people before we have no more room. We need to allow only legal immigration to keep checks and balances of the number of people here.

  • eyeswideopen

    Time, it was one million three hundred thousand. not 15 million, or 13 million like blog sites are stating. Federal estimates are that they apprehended 50k in one location and 80k in another, with approx. one million leaving on their own at a fast pace. We bused the ones in custody deep into Mexico and transported some by ship. But because some of the patrols were just taking anyone who look like they were Mexicans, some 6-7 generation Americans were accidentally taken back. It really wasn’t 15 million, think about it, we only have 12-20 now, so you know it wasn’t 15 million. There is a Texas handbook that states it was 1.3 million that left. It is also documented in his papers. When IRCA passed in 1986 more border patrols were supposed to be hired, but congress didn’t do that until 8 years later. Congress listened to special interests, like Agribusiness, who wanted a huge pool of cheap labor and the construction trade wanted cheap labor, so congress just made illegals legal. Agribusiness lobbyists knocked out provisions for effective employer sanctions and obtained a separate amnesty for farm workers who had worked as little as 90 days in the year preceding the IRCA enactment. Big business has caused this problem with enforcement and it benefits them, while killing the middle class. Lobbyists have been running this country for decades and it needs to stop.

  • William Nealey

    way to go s c. and you are sooo right. a deemo and a RINO working together what else can you expect? I hope the people of South Carolina will wake up and dump lyndsy graham and get a good man in his office,I used to live in S.C. now live in N.C.

  • Michelle

    Immigration reform needs to start with securing the border – and not just talk about it. Without a secure border the problem never ends. Rewarding people for breaking the law is wrong, and these people knew they were breaking the law. Those of you that do not live in Arizona do not understand the daily problems of illegal immigration. Our houses have lost value, crime rates have risen, our schools cater to learning English instead of teaching children of citizens the basics (that is why Arizona ranks 51 in the country in education – yes last!), you can’t find a job unless you speak Spanish. Signs & billboards are written in Spanish only – you got it – no English on them. They collect benefits – like free health care. They get paid cash for jobs they do and then send the money to Mexico. That is the tip of the problem. Granted a road to citizenship for breaking the law must be stopped. Secure the border first and deport. Send a STRONG message that entering this country illegally will not be tolerated any longer.

  • http://www.oldwestnovels.com paullt

    I’m with you Raggs. Lock and load the chip is coming. Take away all freebes and the illegals will go home. Insist on English only in our schools!

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/pediatric-patients-with-chronic-pain-look-to-acupuncture-19609231/ James A Graham

    ——-Original Message——-

    From: James Graham

    From: Edward Goelz
    Subject: Fw: Some people got a Raise, I DID Not …

    Some people got a Raise, I DID Not …

    I will send this out every month until election time, just as a reminder. If everyone remembers, we can make a difference.

    GRRRRRRRRRR….! I’m MAD AND YOU SHOULD BE TOO!

    Your U.S. House & Senate have voted themselves $4,700

    and $5,300 raises.

    1. They voted to not give you a S.S. cost of living raise in
    2010 and 2011.

    2. Your Medicare premiums will go up $285.60 for the 2-years and you will not get the 3% COLA: $660/yr. Your total 2-yr loss and cost is -$1,600 or -$3,200 for husband and wife

    3. Over 2-yrs The House & Senate each get $10,000 raises

    4. Do you feel SCREWED?

    5. WILL your cost of drugs – doctor fees – local taxes – food, etc., increase? You better believe they will!

    WILL THEIRS…NO WAY
    . They have a raise and better benefits. Why care about you? You never did anything about it in the past.
    You’re obviously too stupid or don’t care. No offense; just making a point!

    6. Do you really think that Nancy, Harry, Chris, Charlie, Barnie, et al, care about you?

    SEND THE MESSAGE — You’re FIRED.!!!

    IN 2010 YOU WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO GET RID OF THE SITTING CONGRESS AND Up to 1/3 OF THE SENATE, AND 100% OF THE HOUSE.

    MAKE SURE YOU’RE STILL MAD IN NOVEMBER 2010 AND TELL THEIR REPLACEMENTS NOT TO SCREW UP.

    It is ok to forward this to your sphere of influence if you are finally tired of the abuse.
    Maybe it’s time for the……..

    Amendment 28
    “Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United
    States that does not apply equally to the Senators or Representatives,
    and Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators or
    Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the
    United States .”

    Let’s get this passed around, folks – these people in Washington have brought this upon themselves!!! It’s time for retribution. Let’s take back America.
    If you don’t forward this to all your friends you’re just part of the problem of national apathy.

  • babybikerbabe

    Yes – a fence – with a HUGE sign – in English, Spanish, Arabic, French, etc… – that says:

    ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK – THIS LAND PROTECTED BY SMITH & WESSON, AND GLOCK, AND SIG SAUER, AND REMINGTON, AND SO ON.

    But no one will do that because we “care”. So legalize all the criminals but NO VOTING RIGHTS. Take their money in taxes, let them “work” the system – BUT NO VOTING RIGHTS. Citizenship is a right for those who follow the rules and obey the law. These people are criminals and it doesn’t matter why. There are a myriad of paths to obtain citizenship, green cards, corporate sponsorship and sanctuary for the seriously oppressed. Just because they’re here does not change the fact that their very presence is ILLEGAL. Wake up people.

    I love immigrants who come here for the opportunity that is “America the Land of the Free” and learn to speak English and become part of the melting pot that formed this country. I encounter them daily because I live near a large University. They remind me why America IS great and I love them for it.

    Follow the rules, learn the language, EARN your right to be a citizen.

    ‘Nuf said.

  • David

    Who needs a fence. If we put a daily limit on hunters; i doubt we would have any trouble. Then maybe they would come through the system the proper way if they really wanted to come here for the right reasons.

  • Bruce Baker

    {A fence!?} It was about 99% effective for the East Germans for about 20 years, and they were trying to keep people IN!

  • Jeep

    Let’s see…in California the prison pop is about 14% illegal. And, to add insult to injury, 1 out of seven of the most violent will be back in prison (after being deported) within a year. It’s a great system! In fact, ICE has so many problems they can only track down the most violent offenders, others that are caught are given a “notice to appear”. How many do you think follow that?

    In 2007 the CBO reported that illegal immigration costs Cali “tens of billions of dollars” and “the tax revenues that unauthorized immigrants generate for state and local governments do not offset the total cost of services provided to those immigrants.” Further, “we give illegal immigrants reduced and often free higher education not available to citizens, a job, a home, a mortgage, free healthcare at any emergency room and, if they commit a crime, we let them go.” Since it pays so well I might even become one!

  • babybikerbabe

    I tend to agree, they’re here so why not. Okay.

    But NO VOTING RIGHTS. Citizens vote, criminals don’t. Let us create a new “class” of immigrants or resident aliens who can work, pay taxes, use the systems but STILL have to follow the rules to become a citizen. You know, learn the history, take the oath….. agree to follow the laws…. THEN they can vote.

  • http://naver samurai

    Sorry dude, but just them being here is a problem. Remember laws are set up for our protection, safety, and should be obeyed. If they get sent home with nothing, that’s OK. Think, they came here with nothing.
    As Robin Williams once said: “If you don’t like it there, change it yourself and don’t come here.”

  • Raggs

    And so your solution is to implant all legal citizens…
    While the illegals continue to live the american dream.

  • JeffH

    approximately 30 percent of the inmates in California prisons are illegal aliens, or “documented criminals,” if you prefer PCBS.

    The cost of incarcerating these “good hearted, hard working” criminals amounts to about $1.4 billion a year (not including related law enforcement and judicial expenditures or the monetary costs of the crimes that led to their incarceration.)
    http://newsblaze.com/story/20070428100949lill.nb/topstory.html

  • http://naver samurai

    Let’s start by sending troops to our border. The Governor of Texas has already done that, but this administration nixed it. So much for being safer under this administration.

  • Jeep

    Once again, my friend, can you not see sarcasm? Relax…These are facts to counter the argument that illegals are all here to “find a better life”. No, they have riff-raff tagging along, and I haven’t heard from our esteemed congressmen the plan to deal with this part of the equation.

  • TIME

    A Nano Wit,
    Try reading real books, you know the kind that have paper pages in them, its crazy how much information is within the covers!

    But if its on line info your want try factcheck.org, I am sure old GS has had rewritten garbage added in the mix, after all marxist work long hard hours to make great stories for need it now gullible’s like yourself to ingest. So keep up your Vitriol about GWB.

  • Cribster

    You have a bad case of “Bush Derangement Syndrome,” join us in the year 2010 would you?

    The fix is easy and is not amnesty. We tried that in 1986 and it exacerbated the problem. Rewading bad behavior begets more of the same! There is a minimum of 30 million illegal aliens.

    All we need to do is enforce the laws already on the books. Implement e-verify nationwide, permanently. Put an end to sanctuary cities and more importantly birthright citizenship.

    First there has to be many more boots on the ground at the border, unfortunately anti-American Janet Napolitano has rolled out the red carpet for illegals. We don’t need to round them up but we certainly can deport them when found.

    If we make life absolutely miserable for them, turn on the lights so there’s no more “hiding in shadows,” make it abundantly clear that they are not welcome, many will leave on their own accord. The rest we can round up in due time with help from local law enforcement through the 287 g program.

    We will save over 300 billion a year if we reverse this invasion. Stop the bankrupting of our hospitals and get our education system back. Not to mention the MILLIONS of jobs that will become available to citizens.

  • Raggs

    Sorry Jeep….. I get your meaning…..

  • marvin

    TO AMERICAN LIB this is the same obama bunch that has j nepolitano saying that being here undocumented [illegally]is not illegal go figure and the same that said are borders are secure now we can give amnesty and that the governer of texas don,t need the national guard he ask over a year ago and the same ones that put obamacare on us now they want more illegals made legal that is a slap in the face of the ones that have stood in line for years

  • http://charter howe

    I wrote Representative Granger (R) TX on immigration and she replied that she was against an Amnesty bill. She believes the fence (1500 miles worth) need to be contructed with surveillance cameras, more Govt deportations and control from within (good luck on that fantasy) and penalties for employers who hire illegals (it hasn’t worked so far). Granger is on the House committee for immigration and she does not have a clue as to how to solve this problem. I wrote her and recommended a massive reduction in immigration processing in particular from 600,000 to 100,000 thousand Mexicans per year because the one million that sneak across the border every year take most of the 800,000 jobs which come open each year. If we want to be compassionate with law breakers then we have to have some rigid rules that unfairly penalize people who are trying to assimulate. The reason for the huge reduction of immigrants is to allow better govt control of the huge problem we now have with illegals and their families who want to stay in our country. We have not been able to sustain immigration growth legal or illegal with the current situation with joblessness for Americans and the entitlement program that illegals manage to utilize in spite of the law. I also recommend that illegals who decide to apply for citizenship should not be eligible for any entitlement benefits for at least 20 years after becoming a citizen. Cut the crap with 500 fines, thats rediculous to think that is a penalty. The penalty should be exclusion of benefits for 10 or 15 years. Jail time for anyone that uses a stolen identity. Ignorance is not an excuse, it’s a risk for fenious behavior. I think some portions of fencing could be helpful with surveilance but 1500 miles of fence is insane and we could not afford it. Besides, the drug smugglers and people smugglers are digging tunnels under the fence quicker than the fence is being built. The notion that Democrats and some Republicans like Granger have is that the plan for securing our borders is to talk it into happening. There is not enough action to stem this unconscienable influx from Mexico and we will have to begin accepting immigrants who are rushing across the border for asylum from the drug cartel atrocities. Sen McCain (R) is pushing for an Amnesty bill, He and Kennedy wrote together, but it is pathetic in that it gives pardons to 39,000 mexican gang members from the notorius 13 gang which can be found in most large cities in the South and West. The anchor baby citizenship must stop and marriages to illegals need to be screened thoroughly to insure there is no fraud involved in applying for citizenship through a paid marriage. E-verify would be a great national method of identification to eliminate much of the fraud existing to access benefits and applications for jobs. The miltary would be a good way to hasten citizenship for those that could and would serve. Bottom line is that Amnesty must be dealt with for 22,000,000 illegals and it would be impossible to ship them all back. The govt turned its back on enforcement for the past 12 years so now we have to repair the damage while trying to resolve this very volital issue. There is no easy solution but these do nothing Congress people and the WH are more interested in power and votes than the constitution and sanity. Oh yeh, we havn’t talked about the Canadian border yet, isn’t that just peachy. The southern fence will create a northern border strategy for illegals sneaking into the country. Then What.

  • barb miller

    governor perry of texas can’t send the national guard to the border without permission which was not given. however, he can darn sure send the texas guard and has NOT!! he wants the hispanic vote. station a soldier every 10′ across the border and shoot anything that moves.

  • American liberal

    Nonsense…. You really think a fence and a ” scarey” sign will keep illegals from just climbing over the fence…. Excuse me while I’m laughing….

  • American Citizen

    Unemployment up, jobs still being lost, the country close to bankruptcy and we’re supposed to take in anybody that wants to come here. It’s time to call a temporary halt to all immigration until this country is “fixed”. The people who don’t like their country need to work together to make things better there.

  • eyeswideopen

    American, we should stop all aid, unless it is a natural disaster. Our programs do not work and they are just bankrupting middle class Americans. Our spending Trillions has not stopped poverty, as we only send money, it is hijacked and used by the rich in other countries. We need to send knowledge and people who can teach the poor how to farm, etc…
    But most of our dollars do not go to where we think they are going, and we need to stop it.

  • American liberal

    Bikerbaby… Except for the fence and scarey sign I agree with the rest of your post…we have to have a logical solution.. So we agree there… The fence and sign wouldn’t scare off a illegal bird… Until we enforce the laws aginst hiring illegals this amnast question will just comeback every decade..

  • http://personalliberty.com Vietvet

    Has anyone ever heard of Sheriff Joe Arpaio? He has a solution that works – just Google his name.

  • Raggs

    E-verify would be a great national method of identification to eliminate much of the fraud existing to access benefits and applications for jobs.

    ARE YOU CRAZY????? OR JUST PLAN SICK????

    You know something… It is people lick you that ruin the freedoms of this nation…FOOL

  • http://?? Joe H.

    howe,
    you say we can’t afford the fence??? The money is already funded for it, it’s setting there!! If you’re worried about cost, then take every illegal caught and make them build it!! If they refuse to work, then do like they do in some jails, half rations!! The fence would be built, the ones caught would not want to come back, and then the guard would have a better chance of catching them and marching them right back across!!! Little to no cost to deport as well!!

  • http://eachstateretaliate.blogspot.com/ Tea Party Tim

    We elect the ones that make these laws. We can elect good ones or just let the bad ones run wild. Follow the link on my post name, find your state and start working to get a qualified canidate elected.

  • Dr. Mabuse

    This makes perfect sense.

  • DENNIS

    LETS DO THIS.

    COLLECT ALL BIOMETRIC DATA ON ALL ILLEGAL MEXICANS….AND GIVE THEM 30 DAYS TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY THEN PUT A $10,000 BOUNTY ON THE HEAD OF ALL ILLEGAL MEXICANS DEAD OR ALIVE TO BE PAID BY THE GOVERNMENT.

    ALL ILLEGALS INCLUDING THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS MUST LEAVE AND STAY OUT OUT OF THE USA FOR 20 YEARS AND PAY $10,000 FINE FOR EACH YEAR THEY WERE HERE ILLEGALLY INCLUDING ILLEGALLY BORN PERSONS.

    AFTER THE 20 YEAR PERIOD, THEY MUST TAKE A FULL COPREHENSIVE TEST, SPEAK ENGLISH AND HAVE A SKILL. THEY MUST ACHEIVE A 75% ON THE TEST AND THEY CAN ONLY TAKE IT ONCE. IT THEY FAIL THEY WILL NOT BE ALLOWED INTO THE USA. NO CHAIN MIGRATION. PERIOD

    ANY ILLEGAL CAUGHT IN THE USA HAS AN AUTOMATIC $10,000 BOUNTY ON THEIR HEAD DEAD OR ALIVE…

    ALL ILLEGAL MEXICANS MUST HELP BUILD THE 2,200 MILE LONG DOUBLE WALL ACROSS THE SOUTHERN BORDER.

    ANY QUESTIONS?

  • Enightened one

    Dennis… You are very brain dead or just a fool…. Probably both

  • American liberal

    Tim, can you give me your opinion on today’s republican party… I’d hate to think that you’d concider electing the samekind of republicans that got the country in the economic and moral mess this country was in at the end Bushs terms… Remember Bush ran as a fiscally conservative republican.. Why would the Tea party candidates be diffrent?…

  • JeffH

    Tea Party Tim , you’ll have to excuse Am Libs ignorance about the Tea Party, or not.

  • JeffH

    simply stated and to the point..,

  • http://?? Joe H.

    JeffH,
    quite comically I discovered another job the illegals are taking over. did you read that they will murder someone for as little as 100.00? now how are the mafia, crips and friends, and US made assasins going to compete with those prices????

  • http://personallibertydigest Bruce D.

    I agree with you. America is growing in population so fast that aliens can no longer be assimilated into the American culture. They are starting subcultures with many learning how to work the system for freebies. If they eventually find a way to vote they will vote themselves more freebies as is popular to do on the left.

  • http://?? Joe H.

    Time,
    He prints like one!!! And he sounds very progressive as well!!!!

  • http://?? Joe H.

    Amagoofballlib,
    They could have probably rounded up about 3 or 4 thousand of them in Washington the other day!!!! the government knew there were illegals there and even when they would have been a snap to round up, they still didn’t do anything. Obummers people just ignored the law, plain and simple!!!

  • http://?? Joe H.

    Raggs,
    Calm down my friend, Jeep is dead set against illegals the same as you and I!!!

  • JC

    Raggs, obviously you are vehemently against chipping and more power to you. Just keep the shotgun handy and relax. ;)
    It’s ok to let someone draw a little satire on the subject as it may help some to see what insane scenarios await the world if they start chipping (trying to) people.
    Maybe we could all just wear a sign around our necks instead…like the Jews wore the Star of David in Europe in the 40′s.

  • Jim H.

    Joe, The ones who built it would know where they left the hole in the fence.

  • stephen russell

    Oh yeah the new House & Senate Healthcare bill MANDATES RFID microchip implants in US citizens.
    So the illegal alien is a bogus smokescreen.
    Watch your 6 O Clock.
    Plus the HC bill has plans for a Ready Reserve Force,
    Question:
    why would the HC bill require a military amendment to the bill?
    A Ready Reserve force?>
    I wonder
    DO YOU.

    I say give RFID chips to:
    Felony level inmates
    sex offenders
    Ex gangs
    pedophiles
    & known terrorists.

    For them RFID chips.

  • Amy’s a DOLT!

    It’ll be great when we can rid this country of you (–words removed for offensive content)! I’m looking forward to the day w/great anticipation.

  • eyeswideopen

    Amy, so how do you propose to move 12 million people around this country and into Mexico? How expensive do you think it will be? Let’s hear some specifics if you are going to critize, let’s hear your plan.

  • eyeswideopen

    Amy’s a dolt. some of us would like to remove those who can’t speak without cursing. F-ing this and F-ing that, Gdamn that and G damn this, I always move when the God damning starts as I don’t want to be hit by lightening when he does damn you all who constantly take his name in vain. When you curse like you do, it only shows that you have a limited use of the english language. Most on this site, don’t curse and would probably appreciate it if you didn’t either. A little “hell” here and there is not so bad, but the F word is really not something most Christians want to hear.

  • eyeswideopen

    marvin, first you don’t want government to interfere then you are mad that they haven’t spent the money to get more patrols. You think it will be easy to get the repubs to go along with funding more money for immigration enforcement? They didn’t want to do it when they were in power for 12 years and I bet they fight any change to the laws again.

  • eyeswideopen

    H1B, you are right, NAFTA and GATT was the beginning of the end for this country. It proves that Bush Sr. really believes in the “New World Order”, and didn’t mind sacrificing middle class America.

  • del

    Lets start by securing the border not with high tech gadgets or fences but by simply building shooting towers every half mile or so. Deadly force is what they use on their southern border

  • TIME

    Eyes Dude,

    I am not sure how to do it, but what I do know is if we put our best “real minds” to the task and don’t tie their hands nor bind them to a chair, there are people that can figure this out.

    I see it as like playing a game of chess, you have to have someone who understand the scope and gravity of the game, then let them roll with it.

    Think of it like this, any band that starts up, they all know how to play what ever they play, but are not sure how to play as a unit.
    So they work on it until they get it right.

  • del

    This is the first intelligent comment you have made that I have bothered read to the end.

  • JC

    Wow Eyes….did you have something different for breakfast today?
    That actually made sense!

  • TIME

    EYES Dude,
    Is that you? My GOD, your 100% right. There is hope for you my friend!
    Dude you just made my day! Thank You.

  • del

    I couldn’t agree more. I am thinking ten a day is a good even number!

  • del

    I would agree with you 100% if the chips were radioactive.

  • JC

    An electric fence combined with watch towers and sniper’s might work a little better. Seemed to work in Berlin anyway.

  • JC

    I have a .45 that says I won’t be getting a chip. A value I am passing on to my children and their friends.

  • JC

    Not just Sherriff Joe either.
    Google Oathkeepers.org

  • JC

    Just add motion sensors attached to machine guns. Want to come to the US? Use the front door!

  • Jeep

    JeffH, you may be closer at 30%, I was referring to an internal Cali report. And, citizenship is not a question asked of those incarcerated in Cali jails. So, these are all best guesses. Of course, since my reference was done in Cali it was probably written by an illegal immigrant anyway!

  • http://www.facebook.com Magee, Robert

    @Martinez I agree with your immigration views and sentiment about immigration debate and those who have helped build roads, Houses and many important constructed projects in the United States.

    It is not whites or African Americans but Hispanics or Latino workers that the United States Politicians and citizens alike keep calling illegal but are driving in the best roads these Hispanics have helped build.

    Who have under very bad conditions worked for a country that does not appreciate them. This kind of mistreatment does not stand well with other country’s soon human rights records will be red to the United States and it shall be required to make it right.
    Therefore, reforming immigration and securing the border well before global outcry will be an added advantage to United States.

    It is difficult to contribute ideas to fix immigration problem with a
    bunch of angry, jealousy, and envious citizens who ignore the good the so called illegal aliens have done for America. Or how much revenue Government will collect in the process of confirming these
    12 million people as citizens. Imagine they all shall receive an ID, a passport can bring in billions of US dollars.

    A Government that collects tax for health care, and income tax but finds it difficult to provide services to individuals that pay tax is a corrupt, deceitful and unethical government.

    I think the United States depends on these illegal aliens to keep down wages and second provide to businesses badly needed bottom line labor resource.

    The very reason why actually secretly illegals are being allowed into the country. Law enforcement and border patrol agents are very much aware of the ongoing entries while we are being told they are guarding the border.

    Building a wall along the border literally is a self defeating proposition because you cannot claim to be a leader of the world
    while you are busy trying to isolate yourself. Other countries will say lead us or get out of the way so that we can lead ourselves.

    We want United States of America to be a country that respects human rights of her residents and citizens a like. 12 million people among us are families and human beings that are seeking for economic opportunity.

    If we must kick them out should we also kick out Americans from every country they live and work? If the world starts using TIT for TAT America will decline badly and quickly. Think of these issues as we reform immigration to do it with the support of every American.

  • Jeep

    Rob, the Center for Immigration Studies says, “Amnesty for illegal immigrants will cause costs to increase significantly from $10.4 billion a year to $28.8 billion. This is because an amnesty program would transform an illegal immigrant to an “unskilled immigrant with legal status” who could access various government programs. However, due to low income, these “unskilled immigrants with legal status” would likely make very modest tax payments.”

    And, how about this little tidbit, “Illegal immigrants collectively represent a group that is a significant menace to the public. 80% have committed serious crimes in addition to immigration violations, and 40% have violent crime histories.” And, “25-50% of all gangsters arrested in the criminal gang suppression efforts in northern and western Virginia are estimated to be illegal immigrants.”

    So, you are right, illigal aliens have made significant contributions to America, in crime rates, tax increases, etc. I am not “angry, jealousy, and envious” of anyone. But, I do think that statistics are self-explanitory. And, btw, America was not just built on the backs of “Latinos”, I am pretty sure that Blacks, Whites, Asians, and every other ethnic group represented by legal immigrants and natural born citizens had something to do with it. That was a very racist comment you made, considering you are so compassionate.

  • Meteorlady

    It is sad that you actually believe what you just posted. You have given us the Pollyanna side of an invalid argument. Legal immigrants may have helped build roads, etc. but illegals work in the shadows and they are not always nice people like you would believe.

    So following your argument it’s Ok for them to take from our social system, stretch our much needed health care dollars, over-run our schools without the courtesy of speaking English, steal our identities, bring their drug wars across our borders, have more children than they can afford …. oh heck I could go on but what’s the point.

    Americans have worked for years to make this country what it is, now people like you advocate that we turn it into a third world hell hole because others are less fortunate than us. Take a look at El Paso, TX when you have a minute. It’s a mess and it’s mostly Mexicans. It looks like a third world country, we by-pass it when traveling because it is dangerous to got through, and there is nothing there that would attract anyone to move there. Look long and hard – it’s what’s coming to a city near you if this amnesty happens.

    How would you propose the government handle 30 million illegals when screening them? We do not have the resources to even try this and there will be rampant fraud as there was in 1986. We will get the unhealthy and criminals, along with everyone else. We need our tax dollars to help Americans, not everyone outside our country. It’s time to rebuild and start taking care of our own. American need jobs and letting 30 – 40 million illegals stay here is not creating good paying jobs for Americans – it’s creating low paying jobs with high unemployment for Americans.

  • http://?? Joe H.

    Magee,
    Name one industrialized nation that doesn’t have controls on illegal immigration into their country!!! Try sneaking into Russia, or Germany, hey, a good one would be south Korea!!!

  • Meteorlady

    Same argument they used for the 1986 Amnesty program. That was a disaster. We ended up with around 2.5 million people, most of which 10 years later were still on some type of public assistance, did not better themselves, most still did not speak English, and most got their status through fraud. Then they petitioned to bring their relatives in and that added another 5.4 million over the years. It was also estimated that they caused a net drain of $3573, per family, on our social resources.

    At a time when we have extremely high unemployment why would our government want to keep illegal workers in this country? Why would we want to import people that will run to the government offices to collect whatever freebie they can get their hands on? We have enough legal immigrants doing that right now.

    The 1986 amnesty did nothing but reward criminals for bad behavior and cause us to add to our tax burden through more people on public assistance of some type. It caused the influx we have today – they said if they stayed long enough they could cry for amnesty again. Our prisons are filling up with illegals and legal immigrants, we have gang wars in our streets, we have mass fraud on our welfare systems, we have children flooding our schools that don’t speak English, we have our hospital emergency rooms flooded, we have identity theft, and we have them taking higher paying jobs in construction and other labor industires. They have driven the wage base down for these higher paying jobs so that Americans have to lower their expectations when they apply for anything in these fields.

    We have entire immigrant populations that stay within groups, have their own bankers, their own laws and the pay little or not taxes. We do not need another 30 million people in this country, we need to shut the borders down, punish those that break our laws, and start fining employers that hire them. we have these laws in place, but the politicians don’t allow ICE to enforce them.

    Immigration reform needs to be done in three steps: close and secure the boarders (show us you can do that); freeze everyone in place and send the illegals home to get in line like all others who want to immigrate here; and fine employers who give them jobs. Until the government starts doing that we will have the same problem over and over and over again. We are stupid to allow this to happen. This has gotten totally out of control when illegals march in our street and demand rights. Go back to your own country and change it, you are not a US citizen and you have NO RIGHTS IN THIS COUNTRY.

    1 million people marched for the Tea Party rally and got little or no press, and 200,000 illegals and immigrants march for their rights and we get all kinds of press? They have no rights, they are criminals in this country because they knowingly broke our laws by coming here. Anyone that hires an illegal is un-American and needs to be shunned by the buying public.

    All this will do is benefit business (cheap labor) and the latin community (more grants from the government and the socialist politicians get a hugh voting block). It will increase our social burden because these people are uneducated, don’t value eduction much for their children, have more children then they can afford, and generally work for cash whenever they can so they pay little or no taxes. Please write your congressional leaders and say NO NO NO NO NO to this crazy plan.

    If this happens then we should all be able to rob Chase or Citi bank and get off because we “needed” the money for a better life. We have laws in this country for all our people, and illegals and minorities are not exempt from them.

  • tedcrawford

    It was bill clinton that signed NAFTA not J.W.Bush!

  • libertytrain

    I agree with you on this one.

  • eddie47d

    Someone yesterday mentioned that Eisenhower deported 15 million immigrants. Well that is only partially true. The number is closer to 3 million. These Mexicans were brought to America by our government after WWII started because of the shortage of farm labor. Many went back after the war but some farmers kept them on “permanently”. When Eisenhower deported them he blamed the farmer exploiters not the immigrants. Some farmers and ranchers in Texas actually paid border agents (not much)to allow them to come across. In the end 2.5 million were sent back. Eisenhower also set up a “new” guest worker program and allowed 400,000 to return per year. Under Johnson/Nixon the program fell apart.

  • JeffH

    SO?

  • Mike In MI

    Am Lib -
    When will you get it right, boy? It was the Bush presidency under which the democrats in charge of the House put the nails in the economy’s coffin. The Executive Branch doesn’t have, never has had, control over The House Banking and Finance Committee – that was the
    Reprobate-in-Chief, Bawwney Fwanque. He was the one who was in bed, literally, with his boy-fwiend, Wains, ovew at Fannie (doncha’ LUV it) Mae. He was awso supposed to exorcise the deviwish gang at the S.E.C. But, he onwy ass/uwed SECs ovewsight was scwewwed bwind.

    That’s how Bernie Madeoff with his $50 bill. – S.E.C. blindness, in spite of warning after warning. You think that happen’s by accident?
    And, if you do some back-checking, you’ll find Bawwney, Bill Clinton and Robert Rubin purposely picked the Government Sponsored Enterprises (Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and a few others) as the money conduit BECAUSE they were not subject to S.E.C.’ oversight, anyway. Rubin told Clinton to change the GSE’s original charter, slightly, to allow them to act as a sort of loan broker for him and his financier club of behemoth bank presidents (All BIG donors to liberal campaigns and causes). Then Rubin quit Treasury and went back to CITI to engineer the subprime loans, Mortgage Backed Security and hedge fund swindles of world investors. Then, when their “books” showed massive losses as the subprime loans fell through they got Barak and friends hollering, “Fire! Fire!”, in the theater to buy their paper debt losses in the bailout binging. Only they weren’t bailing out they were bailing in. Then, they decided to bail and “disappear”.

    So, that’s how Barak and “Slick Willy” slipped it to us – in the end.
    If that’s the sort of thing you want to stand for, then, keep bowwing. They need people like you. But, rest assured they’ll “do you” right along with the rest of us – left, right or center. You’re no different than the other poor peasants who swept Engels, Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, Mao, Kim Jong Ill, Chavez, Che’, Ho Chi Minh, Pol Pot, the Castro’s and all the other centralized government, exalted kings of the failing or failed states in the world. Soon, we’ll be just like them under The Anointed One.

  • eyeswideopen

    Mike, you are truly uneducated in the facts of the past 12 years. You really should do some research. It would tire me out, making all the corrections to your mis-statements.

  • Mike In MI

    Hey, TIME -

    How about if we pass a law, business owners caught with illegals on staff, courts fine the owner by forcing him to arrange transport for the aliens back to the nearest border – family in tow if they want to go. Of course, to make sure they get there and back accross the border, an escort(s) will be required. They’ll need food and lodgings on the way, wages (escort), health insurance and all the other employee bennies Barak has arranged. Then the escort has to report on the success and be shipped home.
    Thus employers will be super cautious and there will be lots of employment for American citizens. The money gets redistributed and so do the sick-eagles (an ecology bonus). Barak couldn’t ask for a better plan.

  • eyeswideopen

    Time. it is big business that wants the illegals here. We need to make the fines so heavy and the publicity so bad that they finally stop. If Jolly Green Giant, is employing them, stop purchasing their product, write a letter, sign a petition and complain to your congressman. Calf. could solve most of the problems as they have tremendous purchasing power, with ad executives right in their own state. We don’t have to shoot or become violent, we can still be Christians and solve this issue.

  • http://?? Joe H.

    time,
    Are you sure somebody didn’t hijack her name????

  • http://?? Joe H.

    now THERE’S the old googleeyes I know!!!!

  • Carl McGinnis

    No I guess I didn’t make myself clear. I do not blame Obama for the immigration problem. I do blame him for not fixing it as he promised. I do blame him for accepting the abuse the detainees are going through at the Broward Transitional Center. He can not say he did not know about it because I have written to Him, Janet and John Morton. They know that these people are being treated in an unhumane environment and they are accepting it. I am just saying it is not a surprise that people are dying in ICE custody. I have seen the abuse with my own eyes. I am saying Shame on america for accepting this abuse. I think Most Americans do not know what ICE is doing in the name of America. It is my opinion that abuse has no place in our homes, schools, churches, or in the detention centers. America should not be about abuse, But our Government seems to think it is ok as long as they are the one doing it.

  • eyeswideopen

    JoeH, come on, how can you really blame him? Do you think 12 million just came across the border this past year?? Get real and for once just admit that CLinton and Bush with the republican congress didn’t want to do a darn thing about this situation.

  • JeffH

    lol!

  • Bill7

    This whole situation is getting really out of hand. This government better wake up soon or there isn’t going to be anything left of the U.S. What this country needs is a thorough house cleaning in the House and Senate and get some members that are not afraid of getting voted out. If they thought about it, they would get many more votes by standing up for what the voters wanted. The people in this country have gone past the point when enough is enough.

    I had a cousin who was a citizen of Canada. He wanted to start a fancy restaurant in Florida. He came down here and build a restaurant
    and it took him five years to get U.S. Citizenship. He was checked on every so ofter to see if he had any papers yet. These Mexicans come in so fast that they are not even checked on. It looks to me that this government is not even trying anymore. The U.S. is going to be named “Little Mexico” soon. WHEN IS THIS COUNTRY GOING TO WAKE?

  • Roger

    Bill7,

    Well said. However, the whole point of “immigration reform” and of other initiatives of this present administration – health care “reform” comes to mind immediately – is to tear our country apart, and to turn citizens into subjects dependent on the government. Then we have a socialist state. And socialism is but a step on the road to communism.

    For those of you who disagree with me, try to think of current events from this perspective even if you can’t accept it. See if things don’t start to make more sense.

  • Claire

    I agree-be sure to take the kids with them, they will only grow up to be big ones. Egad, I am mean tonight.

  • liza durango

    Illegals have been, are currently, and will continue to vote…they are encouraged to do so — sometimes behind closed doors in the Spanish speaking community which I have witnessed FIRST HAND, and within organizations like AFL-CIO–as well as groups that operate similar to ACORN but target Latinos. If Construction workers pay English speaking friends $1,000 to take tests for them in order to qualify for positions in construction, do we not think that illegals who obtain fraudlent licenses obtained with fraudulent ID’s, will not register to vote using the license? It is ENCOURAGED in some circles as a bonding obligation to support and be “down with” “your oppressed Spanish speaking compadres.” A word of caution, the ones organizing the illegal population of 12-20 million are AFL CIO/SEIU thugs working with Marxist organizers like Juan Jose Guiterrez. Look him up. He advocates anti capitalism and considers his company (which is always changing in name) currently operating at FRIC (Full Rights for Immigrant Coalition). Check out his speeches and PLEASE note how many times he takes meeetings w/ President Obama. Also note he uses or hires SEIU thugs for his Illegal IMmigrant Rights Marches all over our cities and state capital. These SEIU “security guards” hurt or body block ANYONE who attends they don’t like. You don’t even have to oppose them. WAKE UP AMERICA– this is a very corrupt, politically motiviated power hungry movement who does not believe your laws or Constitution exists. Therefore illegals can vote! IT’s that simple.

    For further research: Look up Jose Guiterrez’s affiliation with A.N.S.W.E.R.
    Look up Fabien Nunez, famous for his quote “The last gasp of breath White America will take.” (and who’s son is up on a murder charge that Mayor Villaraigosa tried to get him off of!).
    :LA RAZA (NCLR)over the past 4 decades
    : MALDEF (who sued AMERICA recently on behalf of 32 illegal immigrants with support of the Mexican Gov’t), LULAC, CHILA, MECHA, ATZLAN, etc! Then TRACE the connections to Obama et al in the FEDERAL level. Look at each state at the local level and see who is organizing the illegal immigrants — its the UNIONS. It is an organization of crime and corruption in the United States of America, and they are using the illegals as pawns in a power game. VOTING BY ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS is ABSOLUTELY encouraged. This group believes in obtaining power in politics by ANY MEANS NECESSARY. Sound familiar?

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