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School Distributes Sexually Graphic Survey To Students

June 20, 2011 by  

School Distributes Sexually Graphic Survey To Students

Parents are outraged at Massachusetts school officials, after middle school students were forced to take a survey that included graphic questions about sex — without parental knowledge or consent.

Arlene Tessitore, who has retained the services of civil liberties organization The Rutherford Institute, claims her daughters were deeply disturbed by the content of a Youth Risk Behavior Study they were forced to take at Memorial Middle School in Fitchburg, Mass.

“Kids were actually told to sit down and take them,” John Whitehead, president of The Rutherford Institute, told Fox News Radio. “One of the questions is, ‘have you ever had oral sex.’ You’re talking about kids who probably don’t even know what oral sex is.”

Principal Fran Thomas confirmed to Fox News Radio that students had taken the graphic survey, but claims the school was required to administer it in order to receive a grant funded by a social services agency in conjunction with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

“I can take no responsibility for what’s on that survey,” Thomas told the news outlet. “It’s not generated by the school system.”

“It was a case of the school telling parents what they were going to do,” Whitehead said. “If parents want their kids to answer these kinds of questions as federal law requires, they should give written consent. But if they don’t give consent, I don’t think public officials should be asking children such questions.”

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  • Bob

    Because the imbeciles who control our school sytems are primarily atheist/marxist, lieberal degenerates, they have no moral compass and, therefore, are incapable of understanding that young children should not be exposed to this type of thing. In fact, most lieberal degenerate perverts probably assume that these children are already engaging in sexual activity. From what I have read, one group of lieberal perverts that advocate sex between men and young boys has a slogan that is “sex before eight, or its too late”. Whether or not that is an actual slogan, it will become a reality if the spiritual AIDS of lieberalism isn’t stamped out in the USA.

    • Brian

      Bob, Your assertion that atheists are immoral is absurd. And your contention that atheists are Marxists is idiotic. I am an atheist and I find it reprehensible that this survey was forced on these children. Perhaps if you didn’t paint everyone with such a wide brush stroke you might wake up and realize belief in some deity is not required to be moral or to love liberty. Frankly, the most moral people I’ve known are atheists and the least moral were Christians. Not saying that all are immoral, but it has been my experience that the most immoral people I have encountered claim a belief in Jesus.

      • eddie47d

        Bob’s comment wasn’t any more perverted than what he is claiming the school district is doing. He only highlights that the right has their perverted minds also.

        • Bob

          Once again you lie and prove that you are a liar – the school district is controlled by atheist/marxist scum as is made obvious by what they are doing. You, like all lieberal scum, are the pervert and I suspect that you would approve of the children being exposed to this type of thing. I suuspect that you and weiner are two of a kind.

          • Robert Smith

            From Bob: “children being exposed to this type of thing.”

            What type of “thing” is that Bob?

            It was a TEST / SURVEY, not a lecture.

            If they didn’t know what something was they either guessed or put nothing in. What part of that don’t you understand?

            Rob

      • Bob

        Brian: Nothing in that post indicates that I believe all atheists are marxists although all atheists are immoral because they have no basis for morality other than their own sick value system based on arrogance and ignorance. And, by the way, the schools are indeed run by atheist/marxists because the schools teach evolution (an atheist lie) and the promote the lieberal agenda (marxism). You and eddy do prove that at least two atheists are morons with limited reading comprehension skills.

        • JeffH

          Bob, this is where you are completely wrong…”all atheists are immoral”.

          That just is not true. Atheism is simply a stance on whether or not any gods exist. As such, I believe that atheism is consistent with any set of moral propositions, be they good or evil.

          FYI, I’m not an athiest.

          • Bob

            You are wrong – because all people are immoral, else they would not need a Savior. Atheists are especially immoral because they have no basis for morality other than their own perverted, evil conscience. A Christian can at least strive towards a moral life because he/she has a real goal towards which he/she can strive. An atheist cannot because he/she/it has no goal towards which to strive. The most famous atheists, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot, were all good, moral men in their own eyes and they were all true to atheist beliefs. But in God’s eyes they were devils, just like any atheist and they only thing that matters is how we stand before God.

          • JeffH

            Bob, I’m not wrong and you are totally bound and blinded in your thoughts on this matter. I’m not going to argue with you about this. Not everyone is a christian and not everyone believes there is a God. That doesn’t make them immoral.

            By clinging to the idea that only people that believe in God can be moral clearly shows your own immorality. There are immoral “christians” and immoral “atheists” but to say that all athiests are immoral is an absurdity.

            Being immoral is violating moral principles; not conforming to the patterns of conduct usually accepted or established as consistent with principles of personal and social ethics.

          • Dan az

            So Bob
            What your saying is that nobody that believes in god is moral right?
            Then how do you explain some of our founders that were deist are they to immoral?Your thinking is flawed to say the least.

          • Dan az

            that should be dosen’t believe in God.

          • Robert Smith

            Bob says: ” because all people are immoral, else they would not need a Savior.”

            Says who? You and your brutal god? Your posts are abusive and I don’t believe in your god.

            So, Bob… I’ll go with MY opinion that most folks are good people and don’t need YOU to tell them how to live.

            Rob

          • Jay

            Robert stated: So, Bob… I’ll go with MY opinion that most folks are good people and don’t need YOU to tell them how to live.

            Sorry to disappoint you Robert, but Jesus came to save both, the moral and the immoral, the good and the nasty! Neither one will make it into the Kingdom on their own merit. Surprised? What did you think, being moral is the same as being Godly? You simpleton, Jesus came to save the un-Godly, that is what God means by guilty of Sin, and ALL, are un-Godly, the moral and the immoral. Ya, I know, it sucks!

          • JC

            Let her know your thoughts….

            thomasf@fitchburg.k12.ma.us

          • Robert Smith

            Bob says: “An atheist cannot because he/she/it has no goal towards which to strive.”

            What about peace, tranquility, equality, respect, and all things pleasent that don’t hurt others?

            Rob

      • http://Moreexpensive,moreunknowproblems. Lewis Munn

        Brian..
        You need to explain how you define “Christian”. Christian is supposed to mean those who follow the teachings of Jesus Christ in the Bible.

        And it may depend on how you decide what is “moral”. Many “liberals” I have run across feel “Morality” is what gets them what they want, regardless of the methods involved or the damage to others.

        I am going to suggest I think you define many “CINO”‘s as real Christians, like there are many “Republicans” the press defines as such who are really “RINO’s.

        Please explain if you mean the “Christians” who have had a heart and mind conversion to obey what Jesus plainly taught, or if you believe anybody who says “Lord, Lord” is a Christian, regardless of their behaviour?

        Then maybe we have a point for discussion. Jesus himself talked of those who are “CINO”‘s. Look it up!

        • Bob

          Lewis: Quite right – an atheist would never consider one to be an atheist who claimed to be an atheist yet worshipped God, went to church, obeyed God’s commands and so on. But that same atheist has no problem calling someone a Christian who claims to be a Christian and yet denies Christ in everything he/she does. This hypocrisy does not bother atheists because they have no basis for morality and the lie (to them) is no different than the truth. An example of this is an atheist on another website who regularly holds up Hitler as a devout Catholic. When dealing with atheists it is best to remmeber that they share a common heritage with Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot – all prime examples of atheist thugs who believed, as Brian does, that they were moral people.

          • Mason

            Bob, I understand where you come from but you need to see a little further than the end of your nose. Just because someone thinks or believes differently than you does not mean they are immoral. If you are such a truly moral and christian person, you wouldn’t insult people and say that they are evil for believing differently than you. Just because someone isn’t doing something for the benefit of a savior, doesn’t mean that they’re evil. I’m atheist, and I know right from wrong. I’m not scheming to harm people or sitting in a back room preparing bombs, I’m just like every other person, the difference is that unlike a large amount of people, I sleep in a few extra hours Sunday and don’t believe we were created by a higher being. That doesn’t make me evil.

          • Jay

            Tell me Mason, how is it that you, as you stated, know right from wrong?

          • Robert Smith

            Jay asks: “Tell me Mason, how is it that you, as you stated, know right from wrong?”

            Others aren’t hurt but respected. And all those who abide by that are OK. All those who do evil must be challenged by society and individuals from that society.

            Rob

      • JeffH

        Brian says, “Bob, Your assertion that atheists are immoral is absurd.”
        You’ve taken Bob’s words and distorted them…Comprhend and don’t distort.
        Brian, understand the meaning of “primarily” which means “for the most part” not “all or every”.

        I may not agree with Bob all of the time but he’s pretty close.

        What has been done by the Massachusetts school officials so that they can get their grant is but another clear picture of the “socialist” demise our country is infected with. This is what our government is doing to our society and these Marxist/communist/socialist/progressives are leading the charge.

        Get government out of the classrooms and shut down the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention run government agencies like the Dept.of Education and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention just to name a few.

        California has passed legislation requiring public schools to teach “Gay History” as part of the curriculum.

        When will it stop? It won’t until the people rise up in unison and shut down these Marxist/communist/socialist/progressives from eroding our society.

        • Robert Smith

          ummmmm, Jeff… Please pay attention.

          Gays DO have a history, just like blacks, and any other minority does.

          Much of that is a history of abuse and denial of equaility. I think there should be some gay history taught, I think that kids need to know about the Japanese innment camps, I think kids need to know how the colonials wadged biological war against the Native Americans by giving the smallpox contaminated blankets…

          Don’t you think kids should learn REAL history?

          Rob

          Rob

          • JeffH

            Robert Smith, go back to reading your Craigslist adds.

          • JC

            Sex education is not up to the government.
            Gay history is not something that’s even in the same realm as the internment of the Japanese or the genocide of Native Americans.
            They didn’t have the option of keeping their private lives; “private”.
            You do.

          • Robert Smith

            Hey JC, quit lying: “They didn’t have the option of keeping their private lives; “private”.
            You do.”

            First you are implying I’m gay simply because I support equality. You are wrong. I’m not gay.

            Second, gays can’t stay “private” and get equality.

            It’s impossible when a bitter parent (such as I presume you might be if your kid was gay) won’t allow a gay partner to visit their loved one in a hospital.

            It isn’t “private” when a partner can’t get insurance.

            Etc.

            Rob

          • JC

            Lying? I don’t think so.
            And just why can’t people keep their sexual perversions private and still get equality? After all its not as though we have to wear a sign advertising our proclivities. So just what is it that deprives you of your rights by keeping your bed time activities to yourself…like anyone with any dignity at all does? Hmm?

  • wandamurline

    My child would have called me and I would have been at the school in about thirty seconds…taken my child with me when I left and told the school and the Center of Disease Control to kiss my fat @ss. Then I would have gotten with other parents and started an at home education system because this one has failed. What does sex education have to do with math, history, reading english and science learning…okay, it does have some science in it. Parents are going to have to tell their kids that they “don’t” have to take tests like this and if the whole grade calls their parents and they all walk out, then the school will understand that the parents are upset and that they need to stand up for the kids.

    • jibbs

      wandamurline says:
      June 20, 2011 at 7:38 am
      My child would have called me and I would have been at the school in about thirty seconds…taken my child with me when I left and told the school and the Center of Disease Control to kiss my fat @ss. Then I would have gotten with other parents and started an at home education system because this one has failed. What does sex education have to do with math, history, reading english and science learning…okay, it does have some science in it. Parents are going to have to tell their kids that they “don’t” have to take tests like this and if the whole grade calls their parents and they all walk out, then the school will understand that the parents are upset and that they need to stand up for the kids
      **********************************************************************
      I would have taken enough rope to hang every liar in the school!!

      • Robert Smith

        How christian of you jibbs. More violence against gays or those who you think supports them.

        Quite frankly I think you are on the same level as those who hung the “witches” in Salem, MA. I think they were murderers.

        Rob

        • JC

          As opposed to the screaming homosexual mantra of “Look at Me Me Me”
          You have to accept “Me Me Me”. You have to like “Me Me Me”.

          You people can be awfully pathetic…not all, but far too many.

          • Robert Smith

            Bigotry simply because you can’t seem to not look.

            There is a strong case that says homophobes are gay themselves but they just can’t admit it.

            BTW, you are saying, “Look at me, I’m a bigot and want you to be too.”

            Rob

          • JC

            Hahahahahaa…
            You are too funny.
            I don’t have anything against gay people until they start screaming about “their rights”. Which by the way are the same as mine, no more, no less. I really don’t care what other people do, gay straight of goose stepping, leather bound nazi dwarf dominatrix’s…

            They just don’t get to be “special”.
            The Bill of Rights applies equally to everyone. Period.

            Homophobe….hahahahaha

    • Bob

      Most of the public school system has nothing to do with actual learning. Our schools are now lieberal indoctrination centers whose only purpose is to turn out lieberal drones who know nothing of morality and decency and who will look to our malignant government as god.

      • http://aol Mike

        AMEN Bob! I wasted 10 of the best years of my life as a public school “eductor” back in the 70′s. Back then the indoctrination wasn’t as blatant as it is today. Then it was more subtle in subject matter that was not taught, as well as undisciplined reasoning skills. The bi-product is evident today.

        • Fran C

          Our schools have become so dependent on the federal funds from the government that we are at the point of do something about it now or give up your childs education in favor of government programs. This means the government will teach whatever it wants on your tax dollars.

          • Robert Smith

            George Bush was a champion of federal control of schools. No Child Left behind is his awful legacy.

            Rob

      • Robert Smith

        Shucks Bob, samurai claims to be a “teacher.” Of course that can’t be verified, but I’m optimistic he isn’t teaching all you call evil.

        Rob

    • karolyn

      Well, if more parents taught their children properly, the school wouldn’t have to be involved as much. Somebody has to pick up the slack!

      • Laura

        You are assuming that you and the schools know better than parents when the time is right to expose their kids to adult content. Perhaps the parents are using their own judgement, as they know their kids best, and don’t think they are ready to be told about oral sex. We should let parents decide when and where to discuss important issues with their children and leave it to teachers to teach the basics.

        • http://naver sook young

          I agree with you. Though the school had a sex education class for them to learn, my husband and I were the ones who taught them correctly. We didn’t leave anything out, but we weren’t graphic like the sex education classes are getting to be. Thank you.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            I can see that now sook…

            When the moment comes your kid is going to take the hardest thing he has and put it into where she goes to the bathroom.

            You won’t have to throw your bowling ball away when he throws it into the toilet. It can be cleaned.

            Rob

        • Robert Smith

          Laura claims: “You are assuming that you and the schools know better than parents when the time is right to expose their kids to adult content.”

          Really?

          First the teaching comunity knows in the aggrigate when most kids reach milestones. I know you will claim your kid isn’t “average,” but the various developmental levels are quite predictable.

          Also the teachers see who your kids hang out with and from that can narrow down where your kid is.

          And finally many teachers actually TALK WITH YOUR KID, and not just “TO” him. They can learn a lot you don’t have a hope of connecting with.

          Rob

      • http://teamlaw.org Jazzabelle

        Parents have to pick up the slack? In teaching their middle-school-age children about oral sex??

        • karolyn

          Nobody’s teaching anybody how to have oral sex. The question was is they had done it. Do you not know what is going on with young kids these days? I recently spoke with someone who had told me her youngest pregnant client had been 11. They are maturing earlier, and parents need to face facts. Personally, I think it’s sad that they’re growing up so fast, but part of that is because of parents too. Look at all the parents dressing up their little girls like mini-adults! Look at the beauty pageants for little girls! And here in the Bible Belt is where it is a lot more prevalent than in more secular parts of the country. Go figure!

          • JKO

            Not actually true Karolyn. Francis Schaeffer did a study some time back and had parents and students tell what kinds of things were taught in school. In many cases oral sex was taught as a “safe” alternative. There were a bunch of other things as well. This study was the determining factor in why I home-schooled my kids through middle school.
            Kids were taught to use a condom and a banana was used for demonstration purposes. BOYS were taught how to insert a tampon – why I don’t know. I could go on, but I think you get the point.

          • Rebecca

            I fail to see the purpose in the government knowing how many middle school children have engaged in what type sexual behavior. The only thing I know of that they will do with this information is to spout off some statistics and based on those statistics, hand out a certain amount of condoms. My child doesn’t have to answer personal questions of that nature to school officials or anyone else without my consent.

          • Robert Smith

            Posted: “My child doesn’t have to answer personal questions of that nature to school officials or anyone else without my consent.”

            But I’ll bet they might brag.

            Rob

      • http://Moreexpensive,moreunknowproblems. Lewis Munn

        Karolyn’

        My children got a mix of education. They got Pubic schooling, Parochial schooling, and home schooling. I guess I was fortunate to have had teacher training, to an extent, and a wife who also could teach, even tho both of us had majors in other areas.

        I believe if you talked to my children they would tell you they felt they got a good Liberal education, in the sense of Liberal as meaning covering a broad area of subject material and in depth, including various viewpoints, with explanations of them.

        Today’s frantic pace and cookie-cutter schools seem to be moderately counterproductive to education. In my opinion. And present only one side of moral issues. They find it easier that way! But it does NOT represent good education for life overall. The goal of good education should the to learn how to get full data and think on issues, not to get a few bits and then gobble a Party Line!

        Read Orwell’s “1984″ and maybe also “Animal Farm” and see if our “education” is not more and more paving the way for this malignant philosophy and society!

        • Robert Smith

          From Lewis: “Today’s frantic pace and cookie-cutter schools seem to be moderately counterproductive to education.”

          That’s because the system is teaching to the “no child left behind” that Bush put in.

          We need to get back to teachers deciding about students and what pace they need to be. If they need to be advanced, they should be advanced and skip a grade or two. If they need to be held back they need to be held back.

          Rob

          • Cawmuno Centso

            Just as long as queers park in the rear of the school,we’ll be allright then,Huh Rob?How about you and your kind just skip out on life anyhow?You really have no redeeming qualities.I dont need to be color-co-ordinated,or need feng shui in my livingroom,much less my life…so why are you still here?You seem to want to remind me of just how much an over-rated section of basically worthless people can bitch,piss,and moan about how they are treated poorly.Perhaps we should eliminate the gay gene entirely(that is not an admission that such a gene exsists by the way),that way we dont have to listen to future drivel from future Robert Smiths.But all-ass,I couldnt possibly hear less of the constant bickering you bring to the Jerry Springer show.I could never go without another Gay Pride Parade through the middle of(insert idiot city here)!Just make sure you stand tall on the soapbox,so that the man on the grassy knoll can obtain a clear view of your cranium,as you commit to orative suicide.Yes just complain about how badly you have been humiliated by the Christian-right.I am almost certain that everyone wants to hear your irate rants aound here.Perhaps the Muslims will take you warmly in their arms and rock you to sleep like a beloved child.But dont wager too much on that account.You make us sick.Not because you defend being homosexual,that would be seen as admirable by most of us.But because you take the time to jab us in the ribs over it.It makes us dislike you more when you accuse us of doing what you do on a momentary basis to us.That is hypocritical,and we know that homosexuals are that…you dont need to remind us.-CC.

      • Dan az

        The fact that our schools are only the tip of the iceberg and that liberalism ways has been shoved down our throats as the perverse ideology that they most start our young at such a adolescent age.The movie industry has taken the lead for such programs as,
        On the flip side, the Christian Film & Television Commission has aided the popularity of Christian-themed films this last year like, “Soul Surfer,” “Gnomeo & Juliet,” “Rango,” “Hop” and “Rio.”

        Unfortunately, their upcoming work is cut out for them, as more over-the-edge movies are heading toward our children this summer, including:

        * “Another Bullsh-t Night in Suck City”

        * “I Hate You Dad”

        * “Seduction”

        * “Guns, Girls and Gambling”

        * “Knights of Bada–dom”

        * “Sexual Healing”

        * “Down and Dirty Pictures”

        * “Jesus Henry Christ”

        * “Don’t Trust the B—h at Apt. 23″

        Friends, our society has become desensitized to immorality on screen, and we’re passing it onto our children and teens by allowing them even to be exposed to such vulgar content and productions via our televisions, the Internet and our movie theaters.

        We must embrace the wisdom of the great English orator, Edmund Burke, who said, “Evil flourishes when good men do nothing.”

        • karolyn

          Where on earth did you get those film names from? They certainly aren’t mainstream; so are probably just to be found on dvd.

          • JeffH

            Look them up. Well known actors like Adam Sandler, Matthew Perry and Christian Slater are attached to these films.

          • Robert Smith

            I’ll bet he’d go nuts if their kid had to READ something like “Stranger in a Strange Land.”

            And they’d be all flip-a-dip if their kids read something like “Callihan’s Bar.”

            Rob

        • http://naver sook young

          I agree with you and thank you.

          Sook Young
          Wife if the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            Thank you.

            I like the idea that kids shoould read.

            Rob

    • Bailey

      Right on target, Wandamurline. For any school to force a kid to take such “tests”, or “survey” as this…without parental concent is criminal, as far a I am concerned. Stick to teaching what the classroom is for….and leave the “social crap” out of it. Maybe the “fruitcakes” in charge have nothing more to do, in which case they all should be “fired”. When degenerates began to exert their degenerate control, we are reaching the bottom of privvy pit. If the teachers and School Board cannot keep this crap out of the class room…it may be time to pull the students out, and look for a more sane group of educators. I am shocked out of my mind.

  • http://burkecomputers.blogspot.com/ DanB

    It isn’t our fault?… Traces back to some other “federal” program? When are people going to wake up and realize that big government is not their friend and is out to turn their children against them?

    • http://Moreexpensive,moreunknowproblems. Lewis Munn

      Never, if the Government Liberals get their way!

      People have to break loose from the frenetic life of keeping up with the Jones’, and take care of their kids, before it is too late.

      • Robert Smith

        Hey Lewis,… May I buy you a clue?

        You pasted: “Never, if the Government Liberals get their way!”

        And “No Child Left Behind” is something positive? The CONSERVATIVE George Bush did more to dump on education than any liberial could.

        Rob

  • JoMama

    What?? What?? What?? I live in Massachusetts & I have never heard of this. No news on TV about this – nothing. Fitchburg ‘is not such a good neighborhood.’ It seems as though if it was going to happen anywhere – it would happen there. What a shame it was for those poor girls who were subjected to this survey but were brave enough to tell their mom about it. Also – these are kids we’re talking about here. I remember this story from a couple of years ago that happened here in Massachusetts (in Lexington) where the KINDERGARTEN teacher was in trouble with parents because the ‘storytime story of the day’ was about a kid with 2 fathers. Personally, I thought that was a wrong choice for a story for a classroom full of kindergarteners because at that young & tender age of FIVE years old – these kids should have no idea what sex is. PERIOD.

    • wwjd

      I worked with children most of my life and in one of my jobs I was totally shocked what is in our community. Sexual activity happens very early now, much of the time from 11 upward. One of my client’s was 12 when she was almost 12 when she got pregnant. I don’t condone sexual info so early, but many times children have a home personaility and a peer personaility and many parents do not see it coming. Many parents are working so much especially now, that is if they can, to just feed, clothe and shelter their children. K-12 have sex education now and it is opening doors to pandora box just or maybe more than not having sex ed in schools.

    • Rick

      JoMama,
      If you had watched Sean Hannity on Fox News Friday night you would have seen a heated debate between Sean and 2/3 of his panel and the lone 1/3 (who was all for the survey) of the panel. This one person thought the schools are right in pursuing this kind of agenda. Everyone else vehemently disagreed with her. I personally think actions like what the school did was absolutely outrageous and that it is nobody’s business but the parents when it comes to having “ANY” kind of discussion about sex with their kids.

    • Bus

      This just shows you what people will do for a little government money. They are applying for a grant and have to prove that their students need the money because their particular society is so needy and degenerate.

    • Mason

      Okay, so… when do you intend on telling your child where they came from? Sex is something people do. It’s a fact.

      I’m not saying go tell 5 year olds about it, but these were middle school children. Where I live they teach the Sexual Education class in 5th grade, and all they pretty much cover is what goes where and cover some of the wonderfully aweful aspects of puberty. You can’t keep your child locked up in their bedroom forever, you have to tell them what sex is eventually. It says the survey was handed out to “Middle School Children” which is rather vauge seeing how this covers anywhere from 12-13 (and sometimes 14) year olds. Because of the society we’ve created, they’re maturing faster. I don’t think that’s completely good, but we created this mess as a whole, and now we’re seeing the results.

      Also, complaining about that book with 2 dads in it? If you had actually taken the time to look up the book, you would have found out that it was just a book that went like “this is (insert name here), on a normal day he (insert normal thing). He has two dads. He goes through life like any kid and loves his fathers like any other parents.” Nothing sexual in it. Nothing harmful. You, like many people who have been so brainwashed to belive the word sex around anyone under the age of 16 will cause their heads to rotate and their eyes to bleed really need to open your eyes to the world. People are sexual beings. We live, we have kids, we die. Quite obviously this stuff is already hard-wired into our DNA, we just choose what age to make our kids aware of it.

      • Rick

        Mason,

        Just based on what you say about the book points out what the liberals are doing. Granted, maybe the book doesn’t explicitly discuss sexual relations (I don’t know because I haven’t seen or read the book) but the fact that it’s a story about a kid with two male parents is going to make kids start to question their sexuality. All it takes for an agenda to get underway is the “planting of the initial seed.” Then the nut jobs will take it from there. I don’t think anyone will argue that kids (before they begin formal education) already understand the basic concept that a “normal” set of parents consist of a male and a female parent. They just get it and, to use your own terminology….our DNA is “hardwired” with that natural understanding. Now, to throw a the concept of two “male” parents at them, will naturally make them start to question what is right and what is wrong (i.e. natural or unnatural). This where the liberals begin their indoctrination process. As a child grows and begins to question (with more curiosity about relationships between the sexes) they are going to become more confused and, likely at the same time, more easily led to believe that sexual relations with someone of their same sex is not only natural but also encouraged by society when in fact it really isn’t. And don’t give me the B.S. that they don’t have a choice or that homosexuality is a trait inherited at birth. Granted, there may be the extremely rare occasions where a child is born a male but feel more as a woman (and vice versa) or the child is born with both sets of genitalia and the parents make the decision at birth which sex to make the child only for the child to realize years later that they feel more like the opposite sex than what their parents decided for them at birth but to say homosexuality is a genetic trait in all cases and is not a lifestyle choice, as the GLBT community has been trying to get accepted as fact, is pure hogwash.

        All you need to do is look at the history and bio of Kevin Jennings, the “Safe School” Czar Obama appointed to see what his agenda is. He has written six books, all directed at promoting a gay lifestyle and targeted at children and, in at least one of the books, advocates what he terms “the queering of our children”. The books are the following:

        - Jennings, Kevin (editor) (1994). Becoming visible : a reader in gay & lesbian history for high school & college students. Boston: Alyson Publications.

        - Jennings, Kevin (editor) (1994). One teacher in 10 : gay and lesbian educators tell their stories (1st ed.). Boston: Alyson Publications.

        - Jennings, Kevin (editor) (1998). Telling tales out of school : gays, lesbians, and bisexuals revisit their school days. Los Angeles: Alyson Books.

        - Jennings, Kevin; Shapiro, Patricia Gottlieb (2003). Always my child : a parent’s guide to understanding your gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgendered, or questioning son or daughter. New York: Simon & Schuster.

        - Jennings, Kevin (editor) (2005). One teacher in 10 : LGBT educators share their stories (2nd ed.). Los Angeles: Alyson Books.

        - Jennings, Kevin (2006). Mama’s boy, preacher’s son : a memoir. Boston: Beacon Press.

        Add to the fact that he has authored all these books, he is also a long-term member of the organization NAMBLA (North American Man Boy Love Association) which exists to exploit and promote homosexual lifestyles by young boys starting at the earliest ages. He has also come under scrutiny for how he handled and advised middle- and High school boys who came to him for guidance. In one case, a 15 yr old boy came to him and said he had been involved in a sexual relationship with an older man for a few years and Jennings advice to the boy was “well I hope you used condoms” and left it at that.

        Now we are faced with the public schools and federal and private organizations asking our kids questions about their sexual activities and experiences. The latest in Massachusetts mandating 11 and 12 yr olds to answer such questions as “have you ever engaged in oral sex?”.
        There is no possible justification for such actions by anybody on this earth (except for a legal guardian).

        As for “when to talk to a child about sex” is nobody’s concern but the parents. Every child is different and every parent is different but I rest assured that each parent, given the right to raise their child as they best see fit, will approach the subject and discuss it when they feel the child is ready for it and can handle such a conversation. Will some kids fall through the cracks? Sure. No doubt. My parents didn’t discuss sex with me and I think I turned out okay and with high morals and ethics.

        The behavior by the education system that is condoned and promoted by the liberals/atheists/GLBT community/Gov’t/etc. was not condoned when I was in school. And we were taught about history. We were taught about the revolutionary war and what sparked it. We were taught about the Constitution and we started each day of grade school off with the Pledge of Allegiance and if a child wanted to pray at their desk they weren’t reprimanded or told they couldn’t do it. We were also taught about Hitler and all the evil he promulgated and we had no doubt that the holocaust did in fact occur. Today, apparently, our children are not being taught American history, they are being told the holocaust never happened, and god forbid if they should show respect for the American flag or want to recite the Pledge of Allegiance or mention God in some graduation ceremony or even sing the national anthem at the start of a sporting event. But it’s perfectly fine, even encourage in some cases, to pay respect to the Mexican flag. Pretty soon our children will be made to start each day by singing Mexico’s national anthem if the Progessives and Federal Dept. of Education have their way. Oh, and just in case you wonder why I feel our children aren’t being taught American History, let me use lame-brained Janeane Garofalo as an example when she spouted off on MSNBC about the Tea Party by saying the “Tea Party obviously doesn’t know anything about what the Boston Tea Party was about”. She couldn’t have been more wrong which just goes to show that either, A. she wasn’t educated about this country’s history, or B. She was educated about it but with a whole different set of facts, or C. She either slept through or skipped that class altogether.

        The only point you make that I agree with and will concede is your statement “Sex is something people do. It’s a fact.” Well, duh…. yeah, but sex between the same sex is unnatural and is just wrong. But the liberaltards in power don’t see it that way and their agenda is to tear down the moral fabric of this nation. The same moral fabric that made this country the greatest nation and most envied nation around the world for 200 years. They also realize the best (and perhaps the only) way to destroy the moral fabric (which is necessary for their end goal) is to start with the kids at the youngest ages possible. If the U.N.’s position on child rights is accepted and adopted by the U.S. then we have lost because the U.N.’s position would “strip” ALL parents of any rights and responsibilities when it comes to raising their children.

        Now, all said, do you really want some stranger who has no business, even if through just inuendos, to discuss the topic of sex or ask your 6 year old if they ever had a man’s penis in their mouth? For your sake, and soul, and own survival I sincerely hope not.

        • Robert Smith
          • Rick

            Good Grief!! You really need to get a clue Smith. Consider who funds and supports that website……George Soros (spooky dude). Him and his nazi-loving minions will stop at nothing (including flat out lies) in order to meet their objectives. And it’s the far left trashy sites like that one that is responsible for the systematic “dumbing down” of the people. Oh crap! Now I got some kind of spyware/virus on my computer after clicking on that link. Thanks alot you moron.

  • Bob

    The lieberal/marxist/atheist/ degenerates who control our schools know that, the earlier the process of brainwashing starts, the more likely it is that it will be successful. That is why five year olds are being exposed to the the lies of the lieberal liars. These incidents are not accidents, they are part of the lieberal plan to destroy all vestiges of Christian morality in this country.

    • Bob

      The above was in reply to JoMama.

    • http://naver sook young

      “Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of eduction shall be forever encouraged.”

      Northwest Ordinance of April 7, 1789
      Written and signed by George Washington

  • meteorlady

    So the school is taking no responsibility even though they must have put in for the grant in the first place? Nice to know that these people are educating, or not, our children.

    As for the parents outrage, where were they when the schools initially started teaching sex education? This has all been coming one bit at a time, little by little, because the parents let it happen with their apathy.

  • Santi

    We have a morality class in our church that teaches our sons and daughters about the reality of having sex at a young age. They also make one parent for each student to be present throughout half of the school year. So if we have questions or answers we can share with them as well. I sent my wife when my daughter had to attend and I went with my son. This coming year one of my other sons will attend and I will be right there with him. I totally agree that student should never have to go thru this at school with the parents not being notified. Here in my home city of San Antonio some schools have allowed for there students to take part in a deit program. They have to show their plate under a camera before they start eating and after they finish. These schools are in need of money and the fed. is giving it to them to particapate. Our stupid mayor came out on T.V. hold heartedly supporting such a travisty. He should never be allowed to run for any office for the rest of his sorry a$$. Money is the root of all evil, and taking advantage of poor childern should be a crime.

    • karolyn

      And what is wrong with a diet program? Kids should be fed properly at school, just as they should at home. Unfortunately, this is not true much of the time.

      • Vigilant

        Good God, karolyn!

        Sex education AIN’T the job of the government, and diet AIN’T the job of the government either.

        Are you so blind as to not see that these kinds of “education” are merely a ploy to destroy the fabric of the family? The leftists would like nothing better than to make every child a ward of the state.

        • http://naver sook young

          She can’t see the forest for the trees. Thank you.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai

  • American Man

    The government and fringe minority groups should not be allowed to interact with our children in school or media, until they are adults of 18 years old, in regard to sexual preference. It is in my opinion on the same plane of influence as sexual predators and stalkers, and it is not the business of the educational system to cause young children to be put into an emotional cross road ,feeling that society needs them to investigate other avenues of sexuality instead of growing up with a normalcy as they are raised by their parents.
    This is no different then leaving your child off at a registered child molester to do the babysitting while the parents work.
    I feel that society should forbid anyone from interfering with a child’s sexual awareness, with the death penalty.
    Sexuality, faith,and morality should be controlled and administered to children in the home, not by fades or political correctness trending.
    I don’t believe in anyone losing their life for anything but someone must stop the moral slide into this perverted life style.
    If they want to do what ever, fine it’s a free country, but don’t bring our kids into it to make you feel guilty of doing something without a gang mentality.
    The same thing happened in the 60-70′s with the divorce movement with join me, because I screwed up a marriage, I think you should get a divorce too. Misery loves company.
    Please will you all keep your private lives private, and stop trying to make everyone taste the water!!!

    • karolyn

      If you’re talking about homosexuality, most homosexuals I have known knew they were gay way before their parents or anybody ever talked to them about sex.

      • http://teamlaw.org Jazzabelle

        Which is a great argument for why schools DON’T NEED to talk about homosexuality with young children.

        • karolyn

          What’s the difference?

          • http://teamlaw.org Jazzabelle

            Between what and what?

      • Rick

        Karolyn, I put to you this observation. Ever since the legal battle and push to not only allow but encourage the GLBT community to “come out of the closet” and thus protect their jobs as (especially) teachers among other positions of authority, I have noticed a whole lot more very young persons claiming they are either gay or bi-sexual. I attribute this to the fact that since the GLBT community was essentially “blessed” to teach, they have siezed the opportunity to influence our children and encourage them to become proud members of the GLBT lifestyle. It has been a hidden agenda of the progressive liberals to demoralize the population while at the same time it affords the perverts in positions of authority to “harvest” more pickings for their perverted ways. Before all these liberaltards got their license to purvey their twisted idealogies and gay lifestyles we never heard of young female teachers having sex with their 12, 14, 16 year old students (or getting pregnant by them in some cases) and one seldom heard of a teenager still in high school proclaiming they were gay. The worst we heard (and it was extremely rare when we did hear of such an event) would have been some male teacher having sexual relations with one of their female students. Now if you think what the schools and the liberals are doing the right thing by encouraging such behavior then you seriously need to get your moral compass fixed. I personally don’t care if two people of the same sex want to do nasty things to each other but they have no business flaunting or revealing their sexual preferences and lifestyles to anyone under the age of 18 much less promoting or discussing it with students (no matter how the students are) while at the same time telling kids that having a sexual desire for someone of the same sex is perfectly natural. And that is EXACTLY what the liberal/atheistic/socialist/marxist/perverts are doing in our schools. Please note that each “/” in the previous sentence are to be used as “and or”. In other words, I’m not saying every liberal is also an atheist and socialist and …. etc. etc. etc. Nuff’ said.

        • karolyn

          No, more kids have “come out of the closet” because they feel safer doing it and not having to hide their true selves like so many before them have had to. Even now, some might risk being ostracized and ending up committing suicide, but they do it because THAT IS WHO THEY ARE!

          • http://naver sook young

            Sorry, but they shouldn’t be allowed to do such things in public. It is immoral, unethical, and not the way God wants us to be. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Rick

            So. Karolyn. A few questions for you…..
            1. Have you ever had oral sex with a man? If so, did you enjoy it? Why or why not?
            2. Have you ever had oral sex with a woman? If so, did you enjoy it? Whay or why not?
            3. Do you ensure condoms are used everytime you have sex? If not, why?
            4. Have you ever had sex with more than one person (excluding yourself) at the same time? If so, how many?
            5. Have you ever allowed penetration of your anal canal? If so, did you enjoy it and whose idea was it…yours or your partner’s?
            6. Have you ever had sex with someone when you knew there was a high risk of contracting HIV? If so, did you take precautions such as using a condom?
            7. Have you ever re-used a condom with different partners?
            8. Have you ever contracted a sexually-transmitted disease? If so, which one(s)and why?
            9. Have you ever passed on a sexually-transmitted diseases? If so, which one(s)and why?
            10. Have you ever participated in sexual encounters where one or more of the parties involved defecated on another?
            11. Do you have children of your own? If so, how old are they and do they share your beliefs when it comes to sexual awareness and behavior? If so, please provide their contact information to include name(s), age(s), address(es), phone number(s) as a minimum so that we may include them in our national database accessible by the upstanding members of NAMBLA for follow-up one-on-one long-term studies.
            12. Have you ever participated in or fantasized about having sexual relations with someone under the legal age of consent?
            13. Have you ever utilized or experimented with novelty items designed and marketed towards enhanced sexual experiences? If so, what specific novelties have you used and which ones are your favorite to date?
            14. If you answered yes to previous question, how old were you when you first utilized such a device? Was it your idea? If not, who suggested it…..a teacher, your mother, close family friend, a total stranger, some Congressman or person of similar professional stature?
            15. How soon after meeting someone for the first time do you typically engage in carnal knowledge with that person?

            You must answer these questions and answer them truthfully. After all, according to you, we all have the right to ask you these questions and we are entitled to know the answers. Personally, I don’t give a rat’s A.. about your sex life and/or sexual experiences. I honestly don’t think it’s any of my business and as such….I don’t think it’s ANYBODY ELSE’S business either. Of course, if you feel compelled to tell complete strangers about your sex life and personal achievements in that arena it’s your right but that does not entitle you to ask and know about someone else’s sexual awareness.

          • Rick

            p.s. I should’ve added that there is only circumstance that would warrant my having a need to know about a person’s sexual history and/or achievements and that is if I and that person decide to embark upon a committed relationship. Of course, I wouldn’t have to worry about such a possibility with you hence one of the many reasons I really couldn’t give a “Rats A..” about your sexual habits/experiences/perversions.

          • Karolyn

            You are one sick puppy, Rick!

          • Robert Smith

            Rick brings up: “the upstanding members of NAMBLA”

            Lavigne, Fr. Richard R. was one of the original movers and shakers if that organization, as were several other members of the clergy.

            He was in prison conviced of rapeing a kid and suspected of murdering another.

            I think it’s christians who should take “credit” for NAMBLA.

            Rob

          • JC

            Karolyn says:

            June 20, 2011 at 7:24 pm

            You are one sick puppy, Rick!
            ____________________________________________________________
            But its ok to ask these kinds of questions to little kids Karolyn?

        • Rick

          I’m just trying to abide by your standards.

          • Rick

            Actually……abide is the wrong sentiment here. What I’m actually doing here with my post is throwing your standards back in your face. The fact that you didn’t answer any of the questions tells me you didn’t like the post. And even if you had answered them, there’d be no way of telling whether they were truthful or not. If addressing those questions to you makes me a sick puppy then I guess it must be true because you are obviously the expert when it comes to sex and educating our children about it. NOT!!!

        • JeffH

          Robert Smith, are you a card carrying NAMBLA member?

          • Robert Smith

            No, nor am I gay.

            I don’t have to be gay to understand their rights.

            I don’t have to be a woman to understand her rights.

            I don’t have to be black to understand their rights.

            etc.

            Rob

          • JC

            They all have the same rights, don’t they?
            And those rights are defined in the “Bill of Rights” case closed.

  • bob

    All those involved with this test should put in jail. If someone other than the school asking these questions would be sent there for coruption of a minor. What makes them different.

    • Robert Smith

      How does asking a question “corrupt” someone?

      Rob

      • JC

        Gee Robert, I guess if its ok to open the sexual doors of adulthood to minors…its ok to teach them how to draw and fire a .45 at age 9 right?
        I mean what the hell? Anything goes in your world …

  • karolyn

    “the questions is, ‘have you ever had oral sex.’ You’re talking about kids who probably don’t even know what oral sex is.”

    Does anybody REALLY think these kids don’t know what oral sex is? Come one! It’s not like it was when we were kids. There are 11 year olds getting pregnant! The people of this country need to get real about these issues! In Europe where sex is more openly talked about, there are less sex crimes and a healthier attitude about it. Our Puritan mores have created a sick society.

    • http://teamlaw.org Jazzabelle

      karolyn wrote: “Does anybody REALLY think these kids don’t know what oral sex is? Come one! It’s not like it was when we were kids. There are 11 year olds getting pregnant!”

      FYI, there were 11-year-olds getting pregnant when I was a kid. And 10-year-olds, and even a couple of 9-year-olds that I remember reading about. And yet, when I was 12 (middle school age), I didn’t know what oral sex was. There’s a lot of individual variations in when kids are ready to learn about sex. Some are getting pregnant at 12, while others are traumatized by sexual conversations at that age. For a school to subject every 12-year-old to this content because “some” or “a few” of them need it (and MAYBE aren’t getting it at home) is absurd and criminal (but that’s what schools are best at).

      BTW, when a 12-year-old (or younger) turns up pregnant, your first reaction should NOT be to say, “Why, look how young kids are getting sexually active today! We need to teach them about sex younger so they’ll be prepared.” No, your first reaction should be to recognize that the 12-year-old (or younger) is MOST PROBABLY the victim of sexual abuse. The correct response is to investigate the situation and press charges, if applicable, then get the poor girl whatever therapy she might need. (That’s what a parent should do, imo, NOT what the school should do.)

      • JKO

        Well said!!

      • http://naver sook young

        Good post and thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

        • Robert Smith

          Hey sook young,

          Remember how Mary was about 13 when she got knocked up by this older guy called “god?”

          Rob

    • Robert Smith

      Remember karolyn that there was once a single chick named “Marry” who got knocked up by this much older guy, “God” when she was only 13. Isn’t that rape in most states?

      Rob

      • JC

        You are one seriously twisted freak.

      • http://teamlaw.org Jazzabelle

        That didn’t happen in the states, [removed].

  • JP

    This is why we send our children to private schools. And before anyone jumps in and says “I’m rich”, I work two jobs so my children don’t have to go to public schools! Public schools are a complete waste of taxpayer money. To say they take no responsibility for the content of the survey but they had no problem taking the money. I wonder what her response would have been if the she and teachers had to take the survey before they received any money?

  • Elle

    The “Homosexual Agenda” is alive and well in all of government and unfortunately our schools. The younger they recruit them, indoctrination is even easier. If you don’t home school your children you must be super vigilant to these Culture of Death orginazations that want your children. Planned Parenthood gives out booklets to the Girl Scouts! They tell the girls how to become sexualy active. Why, to have them as future customers. They mostly sell abortions and birth control that fails. You don’t want any of the products being sold by The Culture of Death for children.

    • karolyn

      Elle said: “The “Homosexual Agenda” is alive and well in all of government and unfortunately our schools. The younger they recruit them, indoctrination is even easier”

      PUHLEAZE! The same old same old uneducated response. “The gays are out to get them”. :-) Do you know any gays? I would venture to guess you don’t. They are most certainly not lurking in theshadows waiting to pounce on children. They are people with normal lives just like me and most people. (I don’t know about you.) Plus, why does this have to be brought into a conversation about a survey on sexuality?

      Planned Parenthood does not tell girls how to become sexually active. What a laugh! The girls don’t NEED to be TOLD how to become sexually active. Duh, I think they know that already. What century do you live in?

      • http://teamlaw.org Jazzabelle

        “The same old same old uneducated response. “The gays are out to get them”. :-) Do you know any gays? I would venture to guess you don’t. They are most certainly not lurking in the shadows waiting to pounce on children. They are people with normal lives just like me and most people.”

        Yep. And you are intentionally confusing two things that are dramatically different: average gay people, and activists for the “homosexual agenda” (not all of whom are gay). Elle was referring to the latter, so you are trying to deceive people by bringing up normal gay people. And yes, the “homosexual agenda” activists ARE “lurking in the shadows waiting to pounce on children” — only, the shadows are metaphorical for government bureaucracies, where the activists can hide behind corporate immunity as they shove their anti-morality down the throat of every child they can reach.

      • JKO

        As a matter of fact one of my best friends is a lesbian. I don’t care about what two consenting ADULTS do in the privacy of their own home.
        But have you heard of NAMBLA? You should go to their site and read what they have to say. They want the age of consent down to 13.
        I do agree that the gays I have known have been nice enough. But there are a fringe group of people who have their own, very evil agenda.

        • karolyn

          So you really can’t generalize, right? It’s just like the Westboro Baptist Church doesn’t represent Christianity in general.

          • eddie47d

            JKO,There are so many fringe groups out there like NAMBLA or the KKK that we have to be eternally vigilante on what they are up to. Our Constitution guarantees them their freedoms too and our job is to try even harder to raise informed and knowledgeable children so they don’t fall through the cracks and join these groups.

          • http://Moreexpensive,moreunknowproblems. Lewis Munn

            Karolyn,

            But the Media make a big to-do and never mention the thousands of really Christian churches and the good they do! Not newsworthy!!

            I recall the parents of a young lady, a few grades lower, getting quite upset at the Public School hierarchy in my home town. Class was told to find items of good news to bring to class. She brought floods, wars, crimes…and was flunked and reprimanded. But…I agreed…the media considered all the bad occurances to be “good” news to publish!

          • karolyn

            If a child was told to bring good news and can’t differentiate between that and bad news, that’s nobody’s fault but that child and her parents. I see good news all the time on our Charlotte TV stations. Bad news sells because unfortnately that’s what people want to hear. Look at how blogs like this just love to spread bad news. And we lap it up like good little doggies.

          • http://teamlaw.org Jazzabelle

            You could always stop.

          • 45caliber

            eddie:

            For once I agree with you. We have to be vigilant to prevent these fringe idiot groups from recruiting more children. Too bad karolyn doesn’t seem to understand that is where we are coming from.

          • eddie47d

            I’m sure Karolyn understands and sees the negative out there but chooses not to dwell on it.She looks at the human side of everything and I try too also, but I also try to put things in historical context.

      • Liberty NOW!

        I don’t agree with Karolyn on anything but this is where I join her: there is NO homosexual agenda. These folks are trying to live the same freedoms and benefits that others enjoy. Good grief, people, these are human beings, just like you and me. We need to get the filthy government out of pretty much everything because they DO NOT belong there. Marriage, sexuality and questions/issues thereof is absolutely none of their business. .

        My Constitution and Declaration of Independence make no distinction regarding those who may love differently than you or me. Individual freedom is what our country was founded on and by denigrating and persecuting some facet of our people we join our “illustrious” politicians of all manner in shredding these precious documents. Is this REALLY what we want to be doing?

        When are we going to learn to mind our own business? I’d bet that MOST of us have MORE than enough to take care of without sticking our noses into someone else’s concerns.

        Good grief, these folks do not “recruit” anyone. This is one of the most repulsive and infantile statements that keeps getting dragged out of the cesspool of lies. If you’re going to speak on this subject, please get truly informed and get a modicum of understanding. Otherwise, you’re just spinning your wheels and wasting everyone’s time with this drivel.

        And yes, the public fool system is so broken and disgusting that it should be abandoned as one would flee a burning building. Real education was abandoned many years ago in favor of the dumbing down process that purports to be education.

        You can thank the nefarious practice of water fluoridation, xenohormones EVERYWHERE, rBGH-laced milk, GMO “foods” everywhere, extremely nutrient-deficient “foods”, vaccines ad infinitum, and medical-cartel-pushed drugs for everyone for the increased sexually precociousness of our precious children. Let’s attack the REAL culprits here instead of shadow boxing.

        (Let the flaming begin.)

        • http://teamlaw.org Jazzabelle

          “We need to get the filthy government out of pretty much everything because they DO NOT belong there. Marriage, sexuality and questions/issues thereof is absolutely none of their business.”

          I agree. And part of getting the filthy government out of “marriage, sexuality, and questions/issues thereof” INCLUDES prohibiting the government from teaching my children about it!

          • http://teamlaw.org Jazzabelle

            I should have said, “prohibiting the government from teaching ANY child about it.”

        • http://Moreexpensive,moreunknowproblems. Lewis Munn

          You would the government mandate that schools suppress all mentions favorable to Christianity, while teaching homosexuality starting at even first grade?

          Christian books banned, homosexual books praised and taught?

          At what young age should we introduce teaching how to make zip guns and stage holdups? Part of today’s society!

          How about how young do we need to teach how to find veins and shoot drugs IV? That is good info for today’s society, isn’t it?

          And we need courses in how to gamble successfully! And classes in now to do artistic porn, both in photography and posing. By 6th grade they should be building their portfolios, don’t you think? Where are the Liberals? Falling down on their jobs for the most part…right?

          • karolyn

            Oh, yes let’s uses extremes as a defense. When you’re relegated to using ridiculousness, Lewis, you’ve lost the battle.

      • Dale on the left coast

        In the 80′s the Heterophobes in San Fran were handing out Bath House/Gym Memberships to High School boys . . . the Aides thing forced the govt to close these dives. Since those days they (the Heterophobes) have infiltrated the Media and have an influence in the public school system. Its all about “Recruitment” . . . since nobody has ever found a “queer” gene, nobody is “born that way” . . . lol
        On the other hand, science has found a Lieberal gene . . . that answers many questions . . .

        • karolyn

          It’s too bad we can’t find the gene that makes people born small-minded! It’s not a matter of a gene; it’s a matter of the amount of testosterone available in the pregnant woman.

          • Bob

            Do you think that if this gene was discovered, that it might mean a cure for you? Your mind is obviously too small to understand anything but lieberal lies.

          • karolyn

            Wow, Bob, if MY mind is small, you don’t even have any!

          • 45caliber

            LOL!

      • Bob

        “Uneducated response”? – golly, hate and vitriol coming from karolyn the “gentle” lieberal. Imagine that!!

        • eddie47d

          Good God Bob,you spread wicked hatred and then want those you insult to play nice with you. Is that bi-polar hate or are you one of the Westboro gang?

          • Jay

            Eddie, if you want an example of spreading wicked hatred, you need look no further then your sodomite buddies, robert smith and his sidekick coal miner, both of whom you never admonish for their from-the-gutter comments! Why is that? And also, I should have included your loopy friend, Karolyn, now there’s someone with a few bricks shy of a load!

    • Robert Smith

      From Elle: “The “Homosexual Agenda” is alive and well in all of government and unfortunately our schools.”

      Can I write a christian agenda?

      That part about making everyone canablas is going to be interesting.

      Justifying raping a 13 year-old… My my. Do I really want my kid exposed to that?

      Oh, and Lot knocking his girls up after his wife was killed by that brutal christian god. I really don’t want my kids to find out about that. What an awful example of parenting.

      Rob

    • Trever

      Elle says >>> “The “Homosexual Agenda” is alive and well in all of government and unfortunately our schools. The younger they recruit them, indoctrination is even easier.”

      Elle, are you serious? Indoctrination? Really, Elle?!? I’m a 53 year old man who is also gay. I have NEVER EVER been interested in children. That is disturbing. No one should EVER hurt or harm a child! All the gay people I know feel the same way.

      Going back to recruiting – Well, if I recruit just one more, I get a toaster oven. If I recruit 5 more, I also get a 3 piece set of Samsonite luggage. I’m kidding of course. But it does sound as ridiculous as you thinking that gay people want children. We don’t! People who are sick pervs do! Those type of people need never be around children ever!

      • Elle

        Yes,recruit them Trever. Did I say you wanted to personaly sexualy assault a child? Hmm. Recruiting very young children into the Homosexual LifeStyle is what I’m speaking about. If you deny there is a “Homosexual Agenda” your either lying or naive.

        • karolyn

          Elle, he said he’s a 53 year old man. He’s lived as a homosexual his whole life, and you’re calling HIM naive? It’s you who are the sheep, listening to what your masters and rumor-mongers are saying and believing it.

          • Trever…

            Hi Karolyn, Elle doesn’t seem to really comprehend what I wrote. It’s kind of silly, really. I think she means well, but her reaction is based out of fear and being not well informed or educated about it. Yes, there are people who are out there who prey on children. But this thing Elle is calling the “Homosexual Agenda”, as you know, does not apply. It’s just another ignorant label people put on a segment of society they have no real life knowledge of. Also, thank you Karolyn, for your always commonsense and reasonable comments & replies. Happy 1st day of summer! :-)

          • Jay

            Karolyn, I think you have Elle confused with someone else, YOU!

          • JC

            I don’t think the “homosexual agenda” (if there is such a thing) is something that is promulgated by individual homosexuals.
            I do think that special rights for homosexuals, muslims etc. is part of the “War on American Culture” which never should have been necessary due to America being probably the most tolerant nation on the planet. (save for a few small minded knot heads)
            The goal seems to be to breakdown the American Culture of Freedom and Liberty at its core…the “family unit”.
            I blame the One Worlders and their tools over at the White House & Dept. of Education for this…not homosexuals.

      • Jay

        Trever, Elle is CORRECT! You and Karolyn are the ones that are not being truthful. There has been and still is, “The gay Agenda”. And please, do us a favour, go play your pathetic victim card somewhere else, you phoney baloney!

  • Anna

    Call the CDC and file a complaint They can be reached at 800-232-4636, I did and they said I don’t understand the “good” that they are doing…nanny state.
    Please place a call and register a complaint. It is the only way we can stop this.

    • http://teamlaw.org Jazzabelle

      Or call (or write) your local school or school district to express your opposition to them accepting or applying for any federal funding that would require them to administer this or any similar test.

  • Anna

    CDCinfo@CDC.GOV Is another place that a complaint can be filed.

  • guest

    What is hard to understand is the tolerance american’s are showing for homosexuality. Good case in point is our safe school czar. This man is a known homosexual who advocates drenching our children in perverted sexual act’s. As long as we american’s tolerate these ppl’s agenda for our children then it’s hopeless. Our school’s now indoctrinate not teach..if anything is immoral..dishonest and so forth they will teach it. Their thinking is ‘if it feels good do it’ and forget about conequences. Educator’s beleive there are no moral bounderies..no guidelines. It was interesting when Obama was asked what sin was..his reply was..if i don’t become what i want to be then thats sin.(or something very similar) We are govered by princlipes in daily life..such as what goes up must come down..there are moral principles that when violated have severe consqencnces.

    • Robert Smith

      Another made up claim from the far religious reich.

      What’s his name?

      Is it documented he’s gay?

      What are his qualifications for the job?

      Where is his office?

      Rob

      • Elle

        Yeah, his name is Ken Jenning and he’s leaving after only two years on the job. Why? because of numerous complaints. Jennings is a openly homosexual that gave advice to a 15 year old male having sexual sodomy relations with another man. “Use a condom” Nice, huh? Good advise, huh?

        • karolyn

          Well, it sounds like pretty practical advice to me. I’m sure that’s not all he told the kid, though.

        • Jay

          Good riddance to bad rubbish!

    • Jay

      That’s why I pulled my children out of the education system. They are presently being home schooled and the perverted educators have absolutely no access to them! Ah, what joy!!!

      • Robert Smith

        You go with your canabalism Jay!

        Rob

        • Robert Smith

          Remember transsubstanciation.

          It really is canabalism.

          Rob

          • Jay

            LOL!

          • JC

            WTF? You have got to be kidding…

  • eddie47d

    It’s obvious that the right and the left are both spinning out of control on the issue of sex. It’s not only Elvis that has left the building but common sense. Planned Parenthood is not telling girls to become sexually active but to avoid becoming pregnant.Big difference and your “homosexual agenda” is more far right propaganda than fact. American Man above wants the death penalty for sex educators. Please,how about being a little more rational! It’s very appropriate for a teacher to have a health class where sex is talked about but those teachers have no business knowing who is “doing it”. That is why the tests are wrong because it involved divulging personal information.Those teachers do see the test and could divulge information that is private. Their job is to inform (teach and educate)and they should not know the intimate details of an individual student.Unless that student approaches said teacher and wants help.

    • karolyn

      Thanks for the rational post, Eddie! I would have imagined the questionnaires to be anonymous, as are most surveys.

    • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

      eddie47d,

      I agree with you Eddie that was a very rational post.

      • Bob

        Coal miner: Having seen your posts in the past, I would have to say that you have no idea what constitutes a rational post. The fact that you and karloyn agree on eddies “rational” post only reinforces what I believe.

        • karolyn

          What YOU believe, Bob? The only thing YOU believe in is HATE for those who do not believe as you do. It comes through in every single word you write. I am so glad I don’t know anyone as angry as you; and I do know some pretty angry people.

          • Bob

            In your tiny mind, telling the truth is hate. I tell only the truth, if that is hate, then so be it.

          • karolyn

            [insulting post removed]

          • eddie47d

            No need to insult Bob for he does it to himself.

          • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

            karolyn,

            Careful Karolyn,Bob is on the endangered species list.We don’t want to lose him.Poor thing,this humanoid creature suffers from foot in the mouth disease.Here are the symptons:

            1)He can’t keep that orfice he calls a mouth shut for a second:

            2) He never can back up his statements,what does,lacks substance:

            3)What statements that does makes some little sense is retrieved from the restroom stalls at rest areas.

            4)What most of his statements he does post are nothing,but plain annoying drivel.

            5) Acute diarrhea of the mouth( layman’s terms motor mouth,Running his mouth,making a fool out of him self and can’t keep his trap shut):

            CURE: There is no cure,only advice.

            Advice:Don’t post idiotic crude statements, it makes you look stupid. Do everyone a favor stop posting and start listening.You may learn something.
            I can advise you to be a little bit more courteous to others,but that may be asking too much of you.

          • Jay

            coal miner, are you sure you are not describing yourself? I seem to recall many a times when you ended up with your foot in your mouth, you lecherous simpleton!

          • Jay

            We could say the same thing about YOU, Karolyn! Why don’t you practice what you preach? As you stated to Rick:
            You just gave me a chuckle, Rick. Self-righteousness is not something Jesus would condone, and there is a lot of it seen right here. While your at it, you can include judging others, as well as bullying. Why do you, eddie and that simpleton coal miner team up on Bob?

  • http://N/A J. Sparks

    In 6th grade (talking 1962 here) thanks to health education we children knew about “private” parts. Thanks to older brothers & sisters we learned about sexual things from others our age on the play ground during recess because some ‘older and wiser 12-year-olds had been educated by elder siblings –PLUS– they had perverts back in those days too. It just wasn’t talked about at home, church, or school. The teaching of “healthy” health education only got more liberal as the years ticked by. By 1973 . . oral sex had been being discussed in “health” class since the mid-60′s.(Middle School for me) Most parents of my era raised hell about this new health class forum . . to no avail because, let’s face it . . having your kids learn it in school spared the parents from having those difficult and embarrassing “talks” about things they didn’t wish to discuss.
    Then, of course, the birth of Playboy helped open the door to “pornography”. Except, truth be told, porn had been around a LOT longer than the Hef and his “dirty” magazine.
    Do I blame the liberal democrats for all of the slipping morals in this country?
    Yes . . but conservative republicans are not without blame.
    Because, like my own parents, many kept their noses to the grind stone and let the “Unmoral Beast” ride on. Movies became more raunchy . . as did magazines and advertisement in them and on television.
    Christians & conservatives remained silent as the liberals moved to take God out of all public places. Which fueled the liberals agenda and allowed the ACLU to run rampent by using our own laws against us to force us to be politically correct.
    We are all in this together and it will not change until AMERICANS stand up and BE AMERICANS. Not Hyphenated-americans. Americans.
    Theses liberal/marxists people will not go away, nor be silent until they are defeated, and you defeat them by electing officials that will fight to reclaim this country for Americans AND God.
    That means putting God back in our courthouse, schools, and everywhere else we use to have Him.
    One thing I have never been able to understand is HOW in a country that 85% claim to be Christian . . how is it possible Muslims and every other form of “religion” has more rights than I?
    A conservative Christian.

    • karolyn

      J. Sparks – “how is it possible Muslims and every other form of “religion” has more rights than I?”

      Care to elaborate?

      • JKO

        Karolyn – I’m really not picking on you. I am a Christian, but not a force it on you type. I have had several discriminatory experiences as a Christian.
        In a class at Portland State I received a D- as a grade because I included Christian views in my paper. The guy in class who included his Muslim beliefs got a good grade. All the Christians who told their views got bad grades.
        I have also worried that if I wore my cross I might lose my job. I am a teacher.
        So, in my experience, Christians are come against. This is also true of my sons who are now in college. They have to be careful about what they say and write.

        • JKO

          Sorry I should have added that I have never gotten lower than a C on anything and only a couple of those. So it wasn’t my writing or research that was bad.

        • http://Moreexpensive,moreunknowproblems. Lewis Munn

          I know from reports of the growing religious discrimination, but it has been prophesied, adding further credence to the book the liberals most want to destroy!!

          I went to a genuine Liberal Arts school, in that, for example, in English class two of us disputed an either-or writing assignment, and the instructor gave us also good grades for defending a third alternative, tho from two other very divergent viewpoints.

          There are a few good schools, that are very genuinely “liberal” in the real sense of the word. Not leftist! But they are private, not the public ones anymore.

          • 45caliber

            And because they are private they can get away with being a good school instead of a leftist one.

      • 45caliber

        karolyn:

        What about the mosque at Ground Zero? There was a Christian church there that was destroyed. When they tried to rebuild it, they were denied. But when a Muslim group wanted to build the mosque, they got permission. If either should have gotten permission, it should have been the Christian church since it already existed there.

        • eddie47d

          That Christian Church was too badly damaged and the Congregation only consisted of about 100 members. They had no money or resources to rebuild and not enough donations came in after 9/11.

          • 45caliber

            Uh huh! So they didn’t have the right to build there since they only had a 100 members and didn’t have a lot of money. Right!!

            So far as I know, those things are not subject to consideration when it comes to a permit to rebuild something that had been destroyed.

          • eddie47d

            It was the St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Christian Church and built in 1832.The church was only 22′x56′ and actually only had 70 members. You can bet there were others with money who were eager to buy up the property and put in a small store. Now if it had a historical designation it may have gotten government funds.

          • JeffH

            St. Nicholas Church’s difficulty in getting approvals to rebuild stands in stark contrast to the treatment that the developers of the proposed Cordoba mosque have received. New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg, state Atty. Gen. Andrew Cuomo, and a raft of city officials have all come out publicly in favor of building the mosque, and the city’s Landmarks and Preservation Commission recently voted unanimously to deny protection to the building currently occupying the site where the mosque is to be built.

            St. Nicholas and the Port Authority had reached a tentative agreement for the church to give up its 1,200-square-foot site at 155 Cedar Street in exchange for 130 Liberty Street, a bigger site half a block away.

            The church is holding firm to the Liberty Street swap plan, and says its old site is unacceptable — it’s too close to the proposed vehicle security center’s garage doors, and St. Nicholas needs more space for the visitors to the 9/11 memorial and thousands of new residents in the neighborhood.

            The new 130 Liberty Street site could accommodate a church six times bigger than the old one, which was open only twice a week and didn’t offer any children’s programs.

            Rev. Mark Arey, archdiocese spokesman says “People say the mosque has been greenlighted, but why not this church?”
            “In the end, it’s not about the money,” Arey said. “There are people all over the world who want to see this church rebuilt. This church will be rebuilt.”

        • karolyn

          The only Christian Church I know of at ground zero is the old colonial church right down the street, and that was not destroyed. I heard of no other church.

        • JKO

          I would normally disagree here, but I have heard several MUSLIMS agree that they should not build there, but should choose a different place. Someone offered them a place nearby, but the Mosque refused to take it.
          So while I am all about Constitutional freedoms, I do hope they will build elsewhere.

    • http://teamlaw.org Jazzabelle

      J. Sparks wrote: “That means putting God back in our courthouse, schools, and everywhere else we use to have Him.”

      You’re on the right track. I would note, however, that God only had a place in public schools once upon a time because American society would never have accepted a system of public education that excluded God. The first goal was to get Americans to accept a system of public education, whatever the curriculum had to be. Public school systems were created state-by-state during the 1860′s to 1880′s, but it wasn’t an act “of the people.” Basically, bureaucrats created public schools administratively, without giving the people enough notice to even protest (which they did once they found out after the fact). There has NEVER been a “golden age” of public schooling in America. At every stage from the creation of public schools to the present, parents have been horrified and outraged at the things the government has done in the name of “education.” Many times parents have protested, sometimes violently, against the school system. To no avail; we still have it.

      Notice what schools do without even trying. Just their structure, the way they are set up, teaches certain things without the teachers having to do anything. For example: school separates children from their families (their natural peer group and authority structure) and places them into a situation where they are conditioned by constant insinuation that the school and its teachers are better informed and more intelligent than the children’s parents. This produces children who believe that the government (which runs the schools) has and deserves more credibility than their own parents. So, right from the beginning, it doesn’t matter what the schools teach. They can teach about God all day long, their agenda is steadily advancing. Of course, they took God out of schools when they became culturally able to do so, but by then, the bulk of the damage had already been done. We had a docile citizenry that “trusted” the government.

      Note that our Founding Fathers opposed any form of compulsory schooling, even though they were arguably among the best educated people in history. Note also that in their day, literacy in New England was between 98% and 99%. It has never been higher since we’ve started forcing young people into schools. Get that? Literacy rates have actually DECLINED since public schooling started.

      The way back to real education won’t be easy, but I know one thing for sure. It won’t involve the government at all.

  • AkTom

    As I read through the comments and see how it progresses into a pi$$ing match between people who are in total denial. So far only Guest has mentioned the safe school czar appointed by president o’blame-ah. When you look at who the prez has appointed for these czar positions you can clearly see that his beliefs do not fall in line with the constitution. However large the mountain of evidence grows there are still those that will blindly follow.

    • 45caliber

      I sometimes wonder if – like many politicians – when they are proved wrong they simply become more determined than ever to support the wrong side simply because they don’t want to admit they made a mistake.

  • http://www.poorgrandchildren.com Poorgrandchildren

    Stop supporting socialist (government owned) schools. I know it is un-American, but why not try freedom? Try vouchers.

    • Bob

      Vouchers would be great, but they would mean the end of atheist/marxist control of the schools and would also mean the end of the lieberals plan to brainwash our children with the lies of the atheist/marxist agenda. Vouchers would also mean the end of the NEA and the AFT and union parasites would never allow that to happen.

  • iamone3

    School vouchers would be the responsible way to go if the Gov. really cared about children. The out of control Public school system has failed our children. Parents need to pull their children out before it`s too late but most parents have their priorities wrong so there is doubt this problem will ever be fixed.

    • Bob

      Government does not care about children in any sense that would mean anything to decent people. To the lieberals, children are nothing more than potential “demanders” for government “services”. To this end, the lieberals work to reduce our children to the lowest common denominator – sexually degenerate, substance-addicted, tax-consuming parasites who support the lieberal programs that allow the lieberal elitist parasites to continue to survive off of the declining base of taxpayers. Sooner or later, this will result in disaster for us all.

  • 45caliber

    The government maintains the jobs of its workers with information. If they don’t have the information to juggle, they can’t justify hiring the people they have. So every time a department appears to be running out of work, someone there comes up with a new idea to generate more info to juggle. And it is always manditory. This is no different.

    After all, the WORST crime you can commit in the eyes of the government is failure to fill out government forms and reports.

  • home boy

    all of this could be averted if both parents didn’t have to work and got involved with the school system and the board of ed. you assume that these school know what they are doing and you are blinded to the fact that they are imperfect. the government wants to control all so the best place to start is with the younger generation and build on that system. sooner or later you are going to realize that the macmansion you wanted or the 60k car you desired was the wrong choice. get off you materialistic butt and get involved before you ship sinks and your kids are a bunch of nit witts.

    • http://teamlaw.org Jazzabelle

      Better yet, let one parent stay home and teach the children him/herself. Then you could do it right-for-your-child.

      • JKO

        Amen to this. I home-schooled my kids and my husband made the money. We both worked our butts off but managed to raise 5 decent human beings. I went back to school when I was 48 and got my Master’s in education. Yeah, it was late and I have student loans, but I now work on the Navajo Reservation teaching math in middle school. And guess what, here they leave sex ed to the parents. (Though they do get information in High School).
        IT SHOULD NOT BE THE GOVERNMENT’S JOB TO TEACH OUR KIDS. It is ours, whether conservative or liberal, atheist or religious.

        • Jay

          God bless you JKO! I greatly admire parents who are homeschooling or have home schooled their children. I have met and know educators as well as parents who have sacrificed their careers and pensions, have left the education system and took their children with them, and to this day, have no regrets! You are an inspiration to us all!

  • Elevenarrows

    Karolyn,

    In reference to your earlier comment that homosexuals are normal people just like the rest of us…really? I don’t march in the streets having sex with my husband. I don’t drag small children along to have them condone, celebrate or participate in my relations with my husband. I don’t scream and holler for every business or organization in America to financially and socially accept and support my sexual relationship with my husband. I don’t demand that schools allow me into the classrooms to graphically discuss and demonstrate how I have sex with my husband…no, Karolyn, I don’t think we are talking about “normal” people like me…maybe they seem normal to you!

    • 45caliber

      Elevenarrows:

      I agree with you. True, most gays do not push this stuff but the vocal ones do. And they are the ones who get the publicity and the ones who get to “teach” the children. I grew up without that teaching and so did my kids. We all got along well without it.

      I think the real problem is that most people, straight or gay, do not enjoy talking about sex all the time. The problem we have here is that a small minority believes that they should be allowed to speak about it freely – and want to be able to proposition every person they have an interest in without getting into trouble for it. So they want an exception for themselves and a way to encourage the young to “try it” with them.

  • Elevenarrows

    Right on, Home Boy! We have a large family and have made HUGE sacrifices to allow me to stay home to educate the kids while my brave, selfless husband earns the living for a family the size of THREE typical families. It can be done, but alas, most parents today aren’t willing to make those sacrifices or lack the faith to take the leap away from “conventional”.

    I have found it very helpful to run things through a filter of “100 years ago”. For example, when I am tempted to feel like my kids are missing out on a wonderful childhood memory if they don’t get to Disney at least once…I ask myself, “would this have even mattered 100 years ago?” No! When I am tempted to feel guilty because we have to set aside most of our home schooling when rain is coming and the hay is on the ground, I ask myself “Isn’t that exactly what would have happened 100 years ago?” I think modern day parents have bought into some frivolous ideology that we have to GIVE things to our kids no matter the cost to the family’s financial (or otherwise) well-being. Not so. My kids have gone on to run their own businesses by age 16-17 and they have not experienced the usual frivolity so prevalent in kids today. The older ones are grounded, happy, stable, productive adults and if asked, I don’t think a single one of them would feel they missed out on anything of value.

    • karolyn

      Why is everything you had to say about sex. They just want to live like normal people, with the same respect. Would you believe that some of them live without sex just like anyody else. It’s not about SEX! It’s about equal rights.

      • iamone3

        “They just want to live like normal people, with the same respect.”

        The problem is they don`t live like normal people and they don`t receive the same level of respect.

        Elevenarrows made some very good points and you simply ignored them.

        • Bob

          [Insulting post removed]

      • 45caliber

        karolyn:

        I’ve read Elevenarrows twice and I don’t see a single thing in that comment about sex. Where did you get the idea it was all about sex?

        • karolyn

          Here 45 I responded to the wrong post:

          “I don’t march in the streets having sex with my husband. I don’t drag small children along to have them condone, celebrate or participate in my relations with my husband. I don’t scream and holler for every business or organization in America to financially and socially accept and support my sexual relationship with my husband. I don’t demand that schools allow me into the classrooms to graphically discuss and demonstrate how I have sex with my husband…”

      • Jay

        Karolyn, that’s a lot of BS and you know it!

    • http://Moreexpensive,moreunknowproblems. Lewis Munn

      My experience was grandparents can help also. With even financial support. At least we did not have to go it totally alone financially.

      Even when the kids were in the government schools, we had family support to supplement the kids programs, and we kept able to present alternatives to the dictums of the government. And spent time looking over their schoolwork, also.

      We had our times with unimaginative public schools, as the time kids were supposed to bring in story ideas, and I helped mine to put together a story of the “tree little pigs”, who teased and finally disposed of the big bad wolves trying to jump high enough to pull them off the tree limbs by their tails!

      Pigs decided to dangle extension cords instead of their tails, and electrocute the pesky wolves, but the school thought that too violent!!!

      Parents need to be part of the child’s education, in my opinion.

  • Vet2

    I was surprised the voucher issue was not mentioned earlier in this discussion. At best, give the parents the choice,to choose where/how their child is educated. I & my wife speak from experience, as public school educated..in the 30′s, early 40′s a small town…2 daughters public schools…50′s & 60′s….5 different suburban locations (I believe then,a vital factor) our four grandchildren.. parachial schools until High School..then public. To be brief..in general, we have observed the change in our schools..attitude, curriculum, textbooks, material…and behavior..all deteriorate.
    Test scores and our nations educational ranking in the world have declined. Fighting (including girls), bullying, foul language, and general disrespect all more prevalent. The causes are so complex and diverse for this space. A point..Wash. D.C. had “private schools”, and the grade scores were dramatically higher than public schools yet
    this administration has denied the voucher program..why?? The teacher’s union..lobbying. Where do the Senate,Congress, etc. & Obama send their children??? That’s a rhetorical question!

  • karolyn

    Wow! Things are getting pretty bad here when they censor something that I write! Nothing I wrote was offensive!

    • Rick

      actually, that fact that you condone this kind of intrusive behavior into the schools by organizations that have no business or justification to ask our young children questions of this nature IS offensive.

      • Karolyn

        You just gave me a chuckle, Rick. Self-righteousness is not something Jesus would condone, and there is a lot of it seen right here.

        • Jay

          Yes, and you are the queen of self-rightousness!

  • Elevenarrows

    Karolyn,

    If it isn’t “about sex” then why do the homosexual activists insist on teaching about sex to the kids in gov’t schools? Why do they insist on displaying graphic material to the kids? Why do they gather at “parades” and engage in such sexually-demonstrative behavior that normal parents cringe and hide their children? Why do they demand that psychiatry not label their sexual “preferences” as deviant? Why do normal families go to such great lengths to make sure they don’t accidentally take their kids to Disney during Gay Pride Days? I’ll tell you why: it is because the Gay community MAKES it about sex…and they aren’t content to do so quietly…they demand that we give them EQUALITY…whatever that means.

    Here’s an idea for you: I would like for the homosexual activists to give ME equality. I would like equal time to go into the classrooms and teach kids that many, many homosexuals are unhappy, miserable people who bear the consequences of their “choices” in their bodies. I would like to teach the kids that one man and one woman together can make children and that is a plan that cannot be improved upon. I would like to show the kids exactly what sexually transmitted diseases, AIDs, and promiscuity do to people. I would like the opportunity to show the kids what the tangible results of the homosexual agenda have been in American society. I would like to show the kids what has happened to every other culture that has chosed the path of homosexual depravity. Then I would like to show those confused kids that have been indoctrinated by the homosexual activists what God, who made them, has to say about all this. I would like to show them that they can have a peace that passes all understanding and it is ONLY through accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior….I would like them to know that Christ’s blood can cover all sin…even sexual ones…or as the Bible would refer to you…even those who take delight in those who do such things. I can’t change your values, Karolyn, and thankfully, in America, we are still afforded the opportunity to express our views. However, I seriously doubt if ANY homosexual activists would be willing to have me or any other Christian speak out in the schools. They dare not let their dirty little lies be exposed for what they are….I, for one, am not going to sit by and let those voices be the only ones our children hear.

    • Karolyn

      It’s about love. I have known many gay and lesbian people who would never even think of forcing their lifestyle on anyone. They are loving people with families who have feelings just like everybody else. They are human beings who long for acceptance, who cry when one of theirs kills himself because of bullying brought on by parents who raise their children to hate gays. One of the best friends I ever had is a conservative Christian. You have probably never even known any homosexuals. What would you do if one of your children turned out to be gay? Nah, your kids would probably be too scared to be honest with themselves. They raise beautiful, loving heterosexual children who accept everyone as they are. They maintain long-term relationships just like straight people and feel that they should have a say in their partner’s medical decisions, should it come up. They can’t now because they can’t legally marry. Do you really believe that someone would CHOOSE a lifestyle that causes such pain? If you do, you are missing something inside.

      • CJM

        Karolyn: If the gay partners want information shared between each other, there are specific forms they can fill out that gives permission for the vendor to provide and discuss pertinent information. They need to ask for the forms; in the alternative, they can have an attorney draw up a letter that states such information can be shared. I know the forms exist because I have had to designate certain individuals access to my information when I am unable to take care of my personal affairs–and, no, it is NOT a Power of Attorney; it is merely a form that states a named individual is permitted information that pertains to me (including medical).

      • Jay

        Wow, what a bunch of hogwash! You really know how to shovel it don’t you, Karolyn? BTW, there is no such thing as gays being bullied any longer, you seem to be stuck back in the 50′s and 60′s when that sort of thing was going on! Stop playing the victim card Karolyn, gay people enjoy a great deal more consideration and rights then straights, and that’s a fact!

        • Rick

          So true there Jay. Case in point: I was talking with my nephew and his wife the other day and we got to talking about healthcare benefits. Their neighbors are a couple in their 50′s who are both divorced and decided it’s just better to live together than get married. So they’ve been living together for over 3 yrs now and she just found out she’s got a medical problem and she has no health insurance. He looked into the company he’s been with for over 20 yrs to see if he could add her to his policy and they said “no”. The reason? Because they weren’t married. Then he found out that if his partner were a man he’d be covered and would’ve been covered after only 6 months of living together. The guy got that information confirmed by his company after he’d heard that. Talk about a screwed up system and it just goes to prove that the gays and perverts have more entitlements and privileges these days than the normal people. Just like the Christians are discriminated against while the Muslims are given preferential treatment and the courts throw down any legislation that dares impose upon their desires no matter how much what they want is incompatible with the U.S. Justice System. e.g. the legislation in Oklahoma, passed by over 75% of it’s residents in a referendum vote, that would have prevented Sharia law from being used in their courts that was struck down by the courts as being unconstitutional. Give me a break!

          • Jay

            Thank you for cementing the point and stating the truth Rick, its rather obvious for anyone who has any semblance of awareness or a shred of critical thinking left!

    • Rick

      I agree with you eleven…
      Another case in point was the newstory a few months back about a young gal going for her degree in Psychology at a Florida University.
      As a requirement to graduate, she had to complete some kind of internship or something (my memory’s a bit foggy about it all now since it’s been a few months) that involved counseling GLBT community members. She refused on personal morals and religious grounds. As a result, she was threatened with her college credits being disallowed. It was a blatant attempt by a liberal education system forcing it’s own set of moral values down the student’s throats. Instead of encouraging students to think for themselves and make decisions based on their own experiences, the schools instead are turning the education environment into a “hostile” one.

      • karolyn

        As a psychology major, it is incumbent upon the student to be tolerant of ALL people. Psychologists, psychiatrists, and others in human services cannot be descriminatory.

        • Jay

          Psychologists, psychiatrists, and others in human services cannot be descriminatory.

          Says who??? Did you just make that up? Everyone has a right, regardless of vocation, to exercise their freedom to choose whom they will or will not treat. Why would you want to take away someone’s freedom to choose Karolyn? From what I know about you and your ilk, you are all about CHOICE! BTW, how did you read her refusal to counsel glbt as discrimination? A bit far reaching, don’t you think? But then again, your glbt radar has always been a bit too sensitive, the poor dears, oh my, boo hoo!

      • CJM

        The schools are honor bound to teach the true meaning of the professional Code of Ethics; if you want to be a medical practitioner, psychologist, nurse, etc, then you are not permitted to discriminate against anyone due to age, ethnicity, race, sexual orientation, gender, et al. If the young lady does not desire to work with particular segments of society because it impinges on her version of what is morally correct, then she should enroll in a religious university and limit her public practice to her religious counseling services; she would be ineligible to practice in the public sector due to her discriminatory behavior. There are reasons for this. It has nothing to do with the school forcing ‘liberal views’ onto her religious conscience.

        • Rick

          I beg to differ with both you, CJM, and Karolyn. Doctors who oppose abortion because it goes against their moral and ethical beliefs don’t have to provide that service. But the government has been trying to change that too! Veterinarians can choose to treat only certain types of animals (i.e. cats, dogs, exotics, etc.) without repercussions. Psychologists and Psychiatrists generally always choose to go into a specific area of counseling such as phobias or marriage counseling or child development and they are not required to treat someone with whom they feel would be a conflict of interest. Same goes for judges may find a need to recuse themselves from overseeing a particular case. Attorneys always have the option of accepting someone’s case or refusing it. If they are really good or experienced, they can direct a person to an attorney who could best serve them. Come to think of it, so can doctors. So your arguments are all wet. And anyone who truly is a psychology major would know that. So to that, I think Karolyn has been busted. To both of you, maybe the two of you ought to try another flavor of kool-aid or clean the old residue out of your crack pipe before making any more dubious (at best) claims or radical, head-where-the-sun-don’t shine posts. Because something is definitely giving you two a skewed, no!, twisted view of reality.

    • Elle

      Elevenarrows, you are absolutely correct! But, what a crazy idea, you want to present facts? Facts get in the way of the “Homosexual Agenda”
      By giving facts to children and parents then they can then look into it further. Homosexuals live a much shorter life span than heterosexuals. Not only because of AIDs. But, again facts get in their way. It’s charitable to tell the truth about people with an agenda that can be mortal. Good post Elevenarrows.

      • Jay

        Yes Elle, you are absolutely correct! Fabricate and accentuate the so-called positives of the lifestyle, while minimizing and hiding the negatives. And they call it education. Hmm, evil idiots!

  • Elevenarrows

    45caliber,

    Thanks for your supportive comments. I agree with your comments. I, for one, am sick of the tyranny of the minority. I won’t even allow my kids in a public bathroom–not even my teens–because despite what Karolyn is desperate to believe, these people are not normal. They are deviants blinded by their own lusts. They don’t care about kids, they don’t care about the cost to society, they don’t care…about anything but fulfilling themselves. When my family needs to use a public restroom, I stick my head in the door, make sure the bathroom is empty and then I plant myself in front of the door until my kids are finished. I have yet to find one person who hasn’t graciously waited until we’re done. In fact, many men have agreed with my “guarding” the door and told me they believe more moms need to be that way.

    • CJM

      “They are deviants blinded by their own lusts. They don’t care about kids, they don’t care about the cost to society, they don’t care…about anything but fulfilling themselves.” You don’t know this statement is true; there are just as many heterosexuals and other ethnic groups who fit this pattern of life so it is not confined to a select few. Pedophiles are rarely homosexual; most are married, have children of their own, yet they desire illicit activity with a child, who may or may not be their own (some would actually avoid a relationship with their own child). There are many who practice a different lifestyle than that of the majority, but it doesn’t make them criminal.

  • Dennis Oberholtzer

    There is NO DIFFERENCE between a child molestor showing child porn to a kid than this school official. HE SHOULD BE ARRESTED and THROWN in JAIL!

  • Elevenarrows

    And lest you refute me by pointing out my typo: please amend my last post to Karolyn to read “….that has chosen the path of…” rather than “chosed”. Multi-tasking while posting.

  • eddie47d

    Sex,lust and even incest has been around since Adam and Eve. Sex can be a wicked curse or a sincere expression of ones love for another person. Obsession with sex for anyone is not normal whether heterosexual or homosexual. I’ve known gays but what makes me feel uncomfortable is a straight man trying to come on to a woman who doesn’t want his advances.They are sexual bullies and make sex their primary goal. If the gays I’ve known did that to me I would have freaked out. Yet they didn’t so I’ve seen much more trouble with straight men than gays in embarrassing attitudes.

  • home boy

    so we have gone from playboy and hustler mags in the 50′s and 60′s to school teachers teaching children sex ed that was tabboo 40 years ago. what will be the next vice that satan uses on us. how about shutting down religion by the government so nobody nows whats right or wrong.

  • JC

    Principal Fran Thomas confirmed to Fox News Radio that students had taken the graphic survey, but claims the school was required to administer it in order to receive a grant funded by a social services agency in conjunction with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
    ____________________________________________________________________
    Principal Fran Thomas has no morals, no ethics and no backbone.
    She should be fired.

  • i41

    elevenarrrows, my wife and I raised our 6 kids on one income mine. My wife stayed home and taught them finanial and what really matters in life. Now they are all married and most have 1-4 children a peice and their children are polite and sometimes well behaved. The boys are boys and since some are into wrestling holidays are one continous match. All of the parents are involved with the schools and will not hesitate to get after the boards. If the spinnimg bs on history or getting out in the weeds happens with not telling real facts. When the DARE program was in the vogue, I wouldn’t let my kids be in the classes, now it proven that crap only makes them more curious and more likely to try what ever is suppsed to be harmful, that is a fact. Just like when OBM,said facts now are in that solar and wind energy, is a giant sucking sound on our tax money which is being wasted, and technology is several decades off in the next century before it can be cost effective. Of course Spain could have told the USA that. Schools don’t teach students how to read write and learn about what happened in history that has always failed. USA is getting closer to teaching s–t in schools tat sounds more like Germany in the 30′s, as the marxist/communist democrats and their marxist Soros flunky keeps moving America towards the dictatorship government. Only next it will be the new plan of oreos and rug scrubbers all on their knees and rears in the air, too f–king dumb to produce something useful in society.Why is it that these “minorities make up such a large propotion of the prison populations? Too damn lazy and worthless to realize stealing of anything is a crime, just like murder is wrong.

  • Jay

    It should me mentioned that not the only the majority of parents are dissatisfied with the education system, but educators are as well, and that, not necessarily because of religious beliefs, but on moral principles. There are many educators who have defected or have left the education system and are pursuing different careers. As a parent, I have opted on homeschooling my children. Yes, its tough, but that is a sacrifice I know will pay off in the end. My children understand the evil that is the education system, however, they at the same time understand the value and the importance of a good education, which, does not necessarily have to be gotten, nor will they receive, sad to say, via the education system.

  • CJM

    “I can take no responsibility for what’s on that survey,” Thomas told the news outlet. “It’s not generated by the school system.” That statement is merely a cop-out in order to avoid any responsibility for this blatent intrusion into family values and lives. The principal had an obligation to notify the parents that this so-called survey was to be administered and on what date. If she was forbidden to send home consent forms, she should have told the parents the day of the ‘survey’ so parents could keep their children home. Furthermore, no “social services agency in conjunction with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention” has the right to dictate any such thing in order for a school to qualify for a grant. There needs to be an investigation and criminal charges filed; what’s criminal? By virtue of the sexually implicit and graphic material, these individuals have contributed to the delinquency of a minor and violated laws governing the sexual exploitation of CHILDREN.

    • Jay

      For sure CJM, the guy sounds like a real scumbag! At the least, he should’ve had the decency to notify the parents about the sick and perverted, so-called, survey! Imagine asking children if they have ever had oral sex. What’s next, presentations via visual aid on how to engage in oral sex? The education system has become a filthy toilet, infiltrated by perverts and pedophiles!

  • stonepolis

    The rise of the homosexual movement is a textbook example of societal morality devolving into societal amorality and ultimately immorality. The rationale behind societal amorality is the myopic question: “How does my immoral behavior hurt you?” The answer is: It may not, in the short term. Yet when society sanctions degenerate homosexual behavior – well, that does hurt me. If millions of people accept the deviant as normal, that reshapes society in vastly destructive ways. A homosexual’s moral self-destruction may have no consequences for me specifically, but destruction of societal standards always has consequences. When the stigma left single motherhood, society felt the sting in rising rates of single motherhood and juvenile crime. When the stigma left sexual licentiousness, society felt the sting in rising rates of teen pregnancy, sexually transmitted disease, emotional emptiness and nihilism. Immoral homosexual personal behavior may not personally affect me, but exempting their immoral behavior from societal scrutiny certainly does. A society without moral standards is an unhappy, unhealthy society – a society with no future…and all of us have to live in that society. Plus, in an effort to affect public policy and gain acceptance, the assertion often is made that homosexuals deserve equal rights just as other minority groups—and should not be punished for, or forbidden from, expressing their homosexuality. The fight for the acceptance of homosexuality often is compared to civil rights movements of racial minorities. Due to America’s failure to settle fully the civil rights issue (i.e., full and equal citizenship of racial minorities), social liberals, feminists, and homosexual activists were provided with the perfect coat tail to ride to advance their agenda. Using this camouflage of innate civil liberties, homosexual activists were able to divert attention away from the behavior, and focus it on the rights. The crux of the problem is Afro-Americans are a race, and women are a gender – homosexuality is neither – and therefore incomparable. Until the nature verses nurture argument is settled in favor of nature, homosexuality will be perceived as a choice by many and a choice does not elicit “rights” by any means. Even then the behavior – which IS a choice – will always be subjugated by the standards and morals defined by a given society.

  • Rick

    EVERYONE. HEADS UP.

    Robert Smith is posting a URL in this blog that has to do with boycotting Fox News.

    DO NOT….I REPEAT (EMPHATICALLY)…DO NOT OPEN OR ACCESS THIS URL!!!

    I did last night to give him the benefit of the doubt regarding some facts and within 30 seconds my home computer was TOAST!! I run Kaspersky on my computers. I had alerts popping up all over the place that a virus had been detected, some program was trying to access a UDP (that’s a type of port and is related to protocols), and different windows started to pop up to block the attack. As soon as I clicked on one of the windows my desktop went “POOF”. I’ve been trying since to recover but to no avail. All my files are gone, my workspace is clear, and the “task manager” shows 2 users active but I can’t close either of them out. I’ve run kaspersky 5 times now to no avail. My restore points have been removed and no files can be located even though my hard drive is full. I cannot even access the directory tree. This virus/malware is serious CRAP!!

    For EVERYONES benefit. DO NOT OPEN ANY URLs PROVIDED BY ROBERT SMITH OR ANY URLs INDICATING A TOPIC OF BOYCOTT AGAINST FOX NEWS AS A MINIMUM PRECAUTION. I would seriously be skeptical of any URLs posted by any of the Progressive Liberalretards on this site.

    Be forewarned!! All I have for a computer now is my laptop. If I knew where Mr. Smith resided I’d be slamming him with federal charges for promulgating this virus and then go after him for reparations.

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