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School Bus Driver Fired For Displaying Confederate Flag

March 21, 2011 by  

School bus driver fired for displaying Confederate flagAn Oregon school bus driver was fired earlier this month because he refused to remove a Confederate flag from the back of his pickup truck. On March 17, he filed a lawsuit against his former employer claiming that the termination is a violation of his free speech rights.

According to The Associated Press, Ken Webber claims that the flag, which is adorned with the word "redneck," is an expression of his cultural identity and not a message of racism. However, the Phoenix-Talent School District had asked Webber to remove the flag because it could be offensive to minorities.

"My flag will fly," said Webber, quoted by the White Mountain Independent. "No one here is going to tell me what I can and can't believe in."

The 28-year-old was suspended on two separate occasions after failing to take the flag down, and then fired by school bus contractor First Student Inc. on March 8. His lawsuit, which was filed at the United States District Court in Medford, Ore., requests that he be reinstated and receive back pay.

Webber has pointed out several contradictions regarding freedom of speech that exist at his former school. He said that some cars in the parking lot have bumper stickers supporting the military, gay rights and President Barack Obama.

He added that the institution's mascot is a pirate, which could be construed as offensive because of the recent pirate attacks that led to the deaths of four Americans. Webber said that it is unlikely the school would change its mascot yet he can't display a flag "that's not hurting anybody," quoted by the news provider. 

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  • Robin from Arcadia, IN

    Ken Webber should win this one, but our PC world is so screwed up that his chances are 50/50! Common sense and the Constitution seem to both be out of vogue!

    • Jeff

      I would bet flying the Mexican flag would be o.k. , and defended by the elite.

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  • J.M.R.

    K.W.keep up the fight i agree and i fly mine, and will as long as this commie dick-tater stays in the w.h.as soon as i get another flag pole i will fly the american along with it.

    • Doc Sarvis

      What in the world does President Obama have to do with this school district?

      • http://www.piedmontwebmasterservices.com Dan

        “Webber has pointed out several contradictions regarding freedom of speech that exist at his former school. He said that some cars in the parking lot have bumper stickers supporting the military, gay rights and President Barack Obama.” I would assume having a bumper sticker of Barack Obama would be political speech endorsing a Democratic President.

        • Suffolkracer

          To most freedom loving people, Obama is not a President that believes in the American way. He believes in a central government control.

          • Doc Sarvis

            Wow! Where do you get that sort of “information”?

          • Eddie47d

            There were several vehicles with G Bush’s bumper sticker on them 4 years ago for he was the President. Obama is now President so this issues has nothing to do with Presidential bumper stickers. Even though some of you are trying to play connect the dots. Is the Confederate flag offensive to many? Yes, without a question. Should it be banned? No,as long as it designates personal pride and not hatred. If for any reason it is used to intimidate someone then that may be another matter. I noticed Personnel Liberty used a school bus as a photo opp instead of the man’s pick up.The bus wasn’t the issue since no flag was flown from that bus. Thus the issue should be left alone.

          • libertytrain
          • Terri

            Where does he get that information? Well, Doc. The proof is in the pudding. Obama’s behavior, or lack thereof, speaks volumes. He is all about taking the country down.

          • Doc Sarvis

            Terri,
            Actually, his behavior proves that he wants the best for our country.

          • 45caliber

            Doc:

            I never realized you wanted a One World Government! I hope you enjoy the purges that are coming with it.

          • Doc Sarvis

            45, I do not want one world government.

          • 45caliber

            Doc:

            His behavior shows he wants a One World Government – which is not the best for this country. If you believe he is the best for this country then obviously you like the idea of the one world government. Take your choice.

          • Eddie47d

            Caliber; What’s the name of that game you are playing? Trying to back someone in a corner with a trick question. We could all play that game with anyone we want.Will you be next? Spin the wheel folks and see who it lands on.

          • JC

            45 isn’t asking a trick question, he’s making a simple statement.
            And he’s right.

          • JC

            Doc Sarvis says:
            March 21, 2011 at 12:48 pm
            Terri,
            Actually, his behavior proves that he wants the best for our country.
            _________________________________________________________________

            Do you mean by standing idly by while Americans are robbed raped and shot along our southern border?

            Or maybe you mean that not only will he NOT enforce Federal law
            but he has taken a sovereign state to “world” court..maybe you mean he cares for the country in “that” way?

            Or perhaps the way he has the currency printing presses running day and night which has the effect of devaluing our currency and impoverishing Americans wholesale?

            Just how is it that this Kenyan, probably Muslim, imposter
            “cares” for America?

          • Eddie47d

            JC; Go after the real problems of the NWO not made up assumptions from you or Caliber about DOC Sarvis.

          • JC

            I didn’t make up anything eddie. I asked him to justify his BS.
            So far he hasn’t and that is because he can’t.

        • Jay

          The only one’s offended by the flag were the liberty stealing commie jackals that despise any display of pride in this country.

      • LiarsMustBeDefeated

        Obama has everything to do with it, since he supports the teachers union and unions in genersl. The government is NOT the solution. Especially since they are beholden to the banks. He may be YOUR leader, but to me he is a fraud, a liar and a traiter. The only reason he is not already impeached and gone is the money powers that have hoodwinked the deaf and blind. Apparently you are one of them.

        • spitfire

          Aman to that!

        • Doc Sarvis

          Mr. Webber is not a teacher and is therefore not in a teacher’s union. Is there a union for school bus drivers?????

          • Wanda Perry

            Yes there are unions for bus drivers, here locally it is CSEA union!! Something you have no say to, you can’t work as a bus driver unless you belong to the union!!

          • Doc Sarvis

            Is there one in Oregon? Is Mr. Webber a member? Important information due to the allegation. Remember, provide sources.

          • barbm

            according to the article, the buses are run by a contractor. that probably means it’s not union.

          • Eddie47d

            It’s amazing Doc that they have so little information yet are assuming so much. They seem to be dragging everything but the kitchen sink into the conversation and of coarse Obama. Libertytrain even brought up some idiot who wouldn’t service a car because of a bumper sticker. This country is exploding with trivial pursuits. One person does something and it becomes a massive conspiracy. They say “level heads will prevail” but not on this site!

        • caminobroad

          i totally agree with this person… our current president is not for our country… and i take pride in flying my confererate flag.. and it has nothing to do with RACISM.. it my heritage.

      • spitfire

        Everything! Think about it.

  • John E. Kershaw U.S.Army ret.

    I served this country for 23 years to give that man the right to do what he is doing. Political Correctness is running amok in this country and should be done away with. He should be reenstated with full back pay and allowances. Wake up and smell the coffee folks! Your rights as a citizen are slowly being diminished by the Liberal Cause. By the way the Stars and Bars was never adopted as the official flag of the South. It was a battle flag designed to boost the morale of the Confederate Soldier. Good Luck to you Ken I’m rooting for you. Kershaw, Sergeant First Class Retired.

    • JC

      Then it might interest and anger you to know that recruits found to have a Stars and Bars tattoo are being rejected from the military.
      Why? Because our government is owned by central bankers…and the Civil War from a southern point of view was against central banking and the control it gave the Federal Government in DC.
      Painting Lincoln as an heroic emancipator was part of the smoke and mirrors that go with any war and the false justifications thereof.

      It’s a very “American” symbol…and we can’t have that now can we?

    • Jerry

      I agree with you except the Stars and Bars was the official First National Flag of the Confederacy . The Battle Flag is a different flag with the big blue Saint Andrews Cross with 13 stars and a red background. This was the soldier’s flag and the one that was on the guy’s vehicle. I am on your side, this is for your information only. I was Field Artillery FDC.

      • JC

        Thanks for the information and the correction Jerry.
        And thanks for your service to our nation.

    • mike bickerton

      well john ithink ive found the right j e kershaw do still want ur ashess spread blackpool beach on bank holiday monday best wishes from the uk

  • independant thinker

    I fly the Confederate battle flag, the Gadston flag, and the American flag from my front poarch. I was flying them before Obam the ham was elected and will continue to fly them after he is gone.

    • Doc Sarvis

      And I’m sure that President Obama does not care that you fly your flags.

      • independant thinker

        I could care less whether he approves of them or not. The point is he has nothing to do with my flying the three flags because I was flying them before I ever heard of him and will continue flying them no matter who follows him..

        • Doc Sarvis

          Then everyone’s happy.

          • Real American

            People…. It seems that “Doc Sarvis” is here to goat everyone and enrage us.

            Please, please just ignore him. Lets be better then him.

          • Doc Sarvis

            Aparently, if one asks legitimate questions on this site many folks are threatened. Go on, try to be brave.

  • Grandpop

    Webber has a right to display the flag. But at his job, it’s display could upset other “workers” at the job site. Why not place the flag “out of sight” when arriving at work. As for the “bumper” stickers, these concern the public display, not to incite but to inform. The “rebel” flag is known for “inciting” pro and con behavior.
    Webber claims the flag identifies him as a “red neck”…….there are plenty of red necks who would not like to seen as a racist.

    • Raggs

      Hey POP I don’t have an obama bumper sticker ( AND NEVER WILL ) does that make me a racist?

    • Bobfromct

      Are you not assuming that all rednecks are racists? Isn’t that stereotyping?

      • JC

        Actually it’s bigotry.

        • Raggs

          JC… Do you have any proof of that comment or are you just like the rest of people that are part of the problem because you have your mind made up about something that you actually have no idea of?

          • JC

            Can you be a litttle more specific…I have no idea what question you are actually asking….I’m merely saying that stereotyping people as “red necks” is a form of bigotry…that requires proof?

          • Raggs

            JC.. never mind I see what you were saying now.

    • 45caliber

      Grandpop:

      Believe it or not, most of the rednecks I know from the South, where I live, are NOT racist. Most of them pal around with blacks and/or Mexicans. In fact, many of the blacks consider themselves as red necks. You should hear some of the jokes about it!

  • Raggs

    He could have flown a sickle and hammer and gotten away with it.

    • libertytrain

      I think you are more than likely correct on that comment.

    • JC

      Or fly the Mexican flag above the US flag…apparently that’s ok too.

      • 45caliber

        Definately a Mexican flag.

  • http://yahoo jowolo

    The whole left coast is a bastion for liberal wackos. To hell with the pc nutjobs. I hope he wins.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      jowolo… Me, too! Liberals have a double standard. It’s hard not to when you think your opinion or issue is the right one. But nonetheless double standards abound!

    • Don

      Not all of the west coast is liberal, take Alaska for example !!!

  • Bitter Libertarian

    I just happen to have some insight as I happen to work for a Bus Company as a Manager.
    First thing I asked when I saw this was; where is that bus parked? From what I read it sounds as though the bus is parked on the School property. “However, the Phoenix-Talent School District had asked Webber to remove the flag because it could be offensive to minorities.”

    Reading that, if they own the land for the tax payers (right or wrong)
    they have every right to ask that. I personally dont agree, but when you are a CONTRACTOR which First Student is, they have to abide by the customers requests, and in may cases we dont agree-BUT we would stand to lose the contract and upset things.

    I remember when I was a Construction Manager one of my carpenters wore a ball cap that was offensive to the homeowner. I asked the guy if he wouldnt mind taking it off for the customers sake so we could finish the job, and he said sure, it wasnt worth arguing over. After that we got “uniforms” to alleviate those kinds of problems.

    In this case I feel bad for the Driver. In some ways the school is in a bind because if you dont know already-parents can be a PITA when it comes to this kind of stuff. Vicious screaming threatening liberals who’s children are angels and shouldnt have to walk more then the end of their driveways.

    • Eddie47d

      You brought up a good point about that employee. A business has to take pride in itself and remain neutral on most every issues. Like in that commercial where the Coke guy and the Pepsi guy fight it out over who is best.In the end the Coke guy joins the Pepsi guy and advertises for the Pepsi Company. In real life you do have to watch out who you represent and how it reflects on the business you are in.

      • soldier

        What about my offense when the New Black Panthar party wants to strangle and drown my white “cracker” babies?

        What about my offense when kinky dominators hold a ball gag and leather sex parade where they where leather bikinis, gas masks, and ball gags to celebrate the limits of pornography?

        What about my offense when pro union thugs call us non union members with threats if we dare go against the union?

        No one cares about my offense.

        • 45caliber

          Exactly!

        • KiloAlpha

          Angry White Men don’t count on the tally sheet. Here’s a quote I found recently…other’s before us figured it all out ahead of time:

          “The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the most daring liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth.”
          H.L. Mencken

          Aim small, hit small

          • Eddie47d

            Obama tries to tell the truth about race relations and the right violently(verbally) lashes out at him. Nice Quote!

  • R. Bryant USA Retired

    Well folks as far as I believe the confederate flag is a historical flag as much as the Gadston or any other historical flag. The right to display that flag shouldn’t be an issue anymore than seeing cars with flags hanging from their mirrors of puerto rico, mexico, or any other flag. AT least its an American made flag made by us citizens who believed in their cause. The flag being offensive well many a soldier died fighting for that flag as much as our star spangled banner.
    The confederate flag will always be a part of our history as a nation, so if it offends then go somewhere else please, cause we are not changing history to suit political correctness. Its no more offense than flying other nations flags in the united states. I served so this gentlemen would have the right to display it. It offends because its a racist flag? Well Hate groups have flown the US flag, nazi flag and couple of others but its only the confederate flag getting reviews. The people that complain about this flag don’t realize its history its the leaning cross of ST. Croix, A christian cross flown for centuries. Maybe if they taught this in schools wouldn’t be such ignorance going on.

    • 45caliber

      They have already changed history to suit the PC. The South NEVER fought to keep slaves. In fact, they had fewer slaves than the North did. They fought because the North was attempting to force the South to buy only goods from then and sell all Southern crops to the North instead of Europe. What was happening was the Northern merchants were getting rich off the South and they didn’t want things to change. When the South left, the North called out the troops to force them back in line. And they kept them there for about 75 more years as a result. Slavery in the North never ended for some years AFTER the Civil War was over.

      But the “history” books used in schools teach that they were fighting to dismiss slavery.

      • KiloAlpha

        You are 100% correct Sir. The war of northern agression had nothing to do with slavery, and everything to do with a way of life for the Southern United States. Lincoln is on record for saying he’d never free a single slave if he could whip the South without doing so. Mr. Webber should pack up and git south where he’d be in the right company.

  • Jack Taylor

    Ken Webber is right. It is a violation of his right to free speech. It seems the leftie sickos can display or say anything they want but not people like you, me and Ken. I know he is right, but will the mostly liberal, progressive, left wing judicial system see it that way?

  • LiarsMustBeDefeated

    Amazing ongoing hypocrisy. Hyperinflation is very likely just around the corner. The reaction, if this happens, will be absolutely horrendous. Protect yourself, as best you can. Pray for divine mercy.

    • soldier

      I can’t wait for hyperinflation. It will wake everyone up and the military will be forced to slaughter its own citizens or fight the bankers. Its like the Joker said in Batman: forever. “You know the thing thats great about anarchy?” “It’s fair”.

  • Raggs

    Next step will be that any christian religous symbols on private vehicles will be outlawed because it will upset the muslims.

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      Raggs… Too bad! I won’t remove mine!

    • Doc Sarvis

      To thin own bumper sticker be true.

      • Doc Sarvis

        Thats “thine”.

      • Raggs

        Doc.. what are you rambling about?

        • Real American

          People…. It seems that “Doc Sarvis” is here to goat everyone and enrage us.

          Please, please just ignore him. Lets be better then him.

          • Doc Sarvis

            To answer “Real American” again; be brave. Don’t cower in entrenched thinking because it soothes you.

          • Jay

            Real American, I was actually thinking about that this morning. Ignore, not just Doc, but the whole commie brigade that he belongs to. Their agenda on this site is obvious, subvert and disrupt! Pathetic moles!

          • JC

            Actually, I don’t mind the pathtic moles. They showcase their ignorance and provide a platform for more sensible ideas. People coming in here for the first time might get their first actual glimpse
            of how mentally disturbed progressives operate. And that might be a good thing.

          • http://deleted Claire

            This entire issue is petty and stupid. Good grief, I am here in Illinois and I have seen numerous pick-up trucks with a Confederate flag on the inside of their back window. It does not bother me one bit. So what is the big deal? I have the U.S. flag on my van, a picture of a German Shorthaired Pointer, plus a bumper sticker that says “My dog is smarter than your honor student.” I have the freedom to put whatever I want on my van. The guy should have the same freedom as I do. What the heck does his pick-up truck have to do with a school bus? When a person is off duty their personal life is their own.

          • Jay

            Yes JC, you’re right. They provide contrast, I guess they’re good for something after all!

  • james johnson

    Wow what next? I surely hope this is a wakeup call to all the folks
    that complain about how things are and won’t take the time to cast their Vote, and help the ones that do vote change things.

  • Fred

    The undersigned is a minority, and the fact that Ken Webber has a “Confederate Flag” and/or the word “Redneck” on his personal automobile is not offensive. However, were he wearing it on his bus uniform, or in such a manner that it were to intimidate or incite others, then maybe it could be deemed fighting words, and therefore unprotected speech. However, as everyone is well aware, especially given the 8-1 U.S. Supreme Court decision in the Westboro Baptist Church case, even hurtful speech/expression is protected under the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution; and Mr. Webber’s is far from Westboro’s statements.

    It clearly appears that Mr. Webber is the victim of reverse discrimination as it does not seem that the employer has enforced the ban of any other items dealing with free speech and freedom of expression on its property. If an employer is going to have a policy, then that policy must be applied equally; not having a bias against one group or belief just because it believes it is the politically correct thing to do. PC police is raising its ugly head once again.

    • Bitter Libertarian

      First I agree that this Flag should be a NON_ISSUE. That said you have to understand that we are dealing with private property.

      Like I said above, this situation sounds like a private contractor is parking their buses on school property which is owned by the citizens of the town/towns.

      The twist here is how would you feel if someone wanted to fly the Obummer “flag” on your property? You and I would persuade them politely at first, then in force if they violate our private property. This property (I am speaking from what I know, not this states laws) if a bus has a collision police cannot write a ticket on the grounds its “private property!” So that question needs to be answered before any intelligent conversation can be reached.

      If its on Company Property, it is still PRIVATE PROPERTY and First Student could say (although they would be fools) take it down. At the location where I work the employees cars are NEVER in sight of the school, or the students so they can all Fly The Confederat flag if they want! :) Heck I fly the gadson flag myself from my truck! LOL

  • spitfire

    Why are so many of you afraid of racism? Most of the time it is only in your head anyway. No one will ever tell me who I can and cannot like, and if I decide in my mind that one race of people is lots of trouble, then so be it. I also have the right to express that feeling in public. If you don’t like what I say,O’well! We cannot tell others they must stop just because we do not like it. That would be against the freedom we have fought for. Grown UPs, are supposed to be able to obsorb offense and move on. STOP being little babies!

    • soldier

      This is true spitfire. However, if you so much as lay one finger on the “darkies” (if you are racist against the African Americans) I will be the first to sign up in a war against you. Nothing drives my hatred more than resistance to tyranny, racism, and Nazism.

  • spitfire

    OH and to add to the above post, racism, is alive and well, and will last as long as the human race exists. Racism is everywhere, and it has no preference as to which race dislikes whatever other race. I think racism may have some merit,and some usefulness. Races do not mix, and America is a classic example of that. Everyone picks his or her corner, and that is where they live. Hispanics in the west, Blacks in the south and midwest, and it goes on and on. We will never totally blend, and why should we. Maybe, that is why America is not currently working???!!!

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    Let’s see how quickly the ACLU rushes to this man’s defense.

    As to being a racist. Last time I checked this is still America, land of the free and home of the brave. Every person is entitled to his believes, right or wrong. It’s when you act on those believes, that’s when you may run afowl of the law. The First Ammendment is ot just for liberals. As an example I hate druggies, does that make me a drugist ?

    • Raggs

      Let’s see how quickly the ACLU rushes to this man’s defense.

      gunner that will never happen!… I think we all know that and I think we know why too!

    • 45caliber

      gunner:

      You are correct. A person can be a racist if they want to be. They can be a liberal too. And you and I can feel sorry for them. It’s the people who insist that everything goes their way that annoy me.

      I noticed an article in an English paper this morning on having a cross in a classroom in Italy. Their SC equivalent ruled that one annoyed parent has no right to have their beliefs (or in this case, disbeliefs) forced on the other 29 sets of parents of the class. The parent who complained lost. So there are some signs of intelligence in Europe. Now if we could just get a little of it in our acadamia here …

  • Don Gaines

    From his personal automobile it is dam time Americans kick these morons out of this country let them live in communist country’s and leave WE The American People the hell alone in America with our Constitutional rights.

  • s c

    Maybe the guy in Oregon should have had a likeness of Herr Obummer on his flag. It would confuse the hell out of every useful idiot progressive. If the flag showed ACLU on it, that, too, would confuse every useful idiot progressive (doesn’t take much to confuse them).
    People, free speech works BOTH ways, or it doesn’t work. SCREW all people who preach pcitis. Up with free speech, and down with everyone who thinks free speech belongs only to them [IF your politics are "right," that is].

    • Eddie47d

      SC; You are always hateful,delusional and bring up the worst of everything. You have to be one edgy,miserable woman to live with. The ACLU would come to Mr Webbers defense in a heartbeat if asked.They love going to battle over civil rights violations irregardless of race,color or creed.Which side are you really on?

      • Raggs

        BULL crackers!

      • http://gunner689 gunner689

        Every once in a while the ACLU will take a case on the conservative side especially if it’s high profile , just so they can claim they’re not biased. But the stats are about 95 % liberal cases they take.

        • Bob

          Gunner, JC – Eddie doesn’t live in the same world we do, he lives in a world of lies. We know that the ACLU is the legal arm of the democrats, but Eddie will never believe the truth.

          • Jay

            Bob, Eddie is beyond help.

          • Eddie47d

            Bob and Jay; Go back to hating everything and maybe even reading a little to smarten up you noids. LOL

    • Robin from Arcadia, IN

      SC eddie might think you are delusional, but I don’t. And as far as the ACLU running to Mr. Webber’s defense, fat chance! This is not a liberal issue…

      • JC

        The ACLU is not known for running to the aid of anything that looks like traditional Americanism…they’re part of the
        “tear America down team”

        • Jay

          They do come running JC, but only for the gay, lesbians and baby killers! That good old boy, I’m willing to bet, was none of those.

          • JC

            I’ll bet a dollar your right. ;)

  • 45caliber

    The Confederate flag is part of our history. Denying it doesn’t make it so. And if you are from the South, it has a lot of meaning. I use my as a protest against the existing Federal government.

    Despite what our history books show, the South did NOT fight to keep slavery. (In fact, the North was the one who kept it the longest. It was some years after the Civil War before it was stopped in the North.) The South seperated because the North insisted that the South could not industrialize (the North were afraid of losing their markets) and because the North insisted that the South could not directly sell their cotton and tobacco to Europe. They were supposed to sell only to the Northern merchants (at the prices the North wanted to pay) so the North could make all the profits by selling it to Europe. The South disagreed and left the Union (legally). The North used slavery as a way to encourage their troops since troops don’t normally fight to insure their bosses gets more money.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Randy 131

    As a veteran of the Viet Nam war, the desecration of the American flag is very offensive to me, yet these same people, as well as many others, support the right to do so as a right of free speech, upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States. If these people who actions imply they know everything, knew that the Confederate flag does not stand for racism, but of states rights, for the Emancipation Proclamation was an after thought President Lincoln used to rally the North in a war they were losing to the South. The war didn’t start over racism, but of denial of states rights, and it doesn’t surprise me that people associated with education today do not know these facts, but are as ignorant as they are making our children with their sub-standard teaching of those children, and this is a good example of those facts.

  • azwayne

    You know what’s really sick? The school hides the fact they are wasting all our money not teaching kids, but have to harass an employee because they don’t like his point of view. Does this driver get to work on time, get kids picked up and dropped off on time, NOT sexually molest as several drivers all over the country have done. It gets this much attention and wastes so much time, how sick are we in this country? Let’s look at cause, basic LIBERALISM-Mental ILLNESS, if we didn’t have such sick attorneys this would never happen. If we thought our judges had an ounce of common sense it would never get that far. When will we use our own brains, God gave most and learn to take care of our selves?

    • 45caliber

      Further, the bus driver’s truck (with the flag) is in the bus driver’s parking lot which in most places is detached from the campus. And even when they park with the school employees, the kids aren’t allowed to use that parking lot or go there. So the school argument that it might be detrimental to the kids is a lie.

  • http://com i41

    Randy, I wore the Confederate flag starting in the 70′s and the finks that had the most problem with it were the drug headed hippies who were lead and instagated by the communists and still are the core of the soros socialist democrat party. The school systems of any state are completely union dominated, and promote the pced crap. The idea that there is not any racism, but for the whites get your heads unimpacted from the socialist sewer. Go to any reservation if you wany to see the racist crap, in kids high school games. Same goes for the basket ball courts, where the adults of black or indian kids go nuts when their teams lose or win. My 5 daughter played in SD, Wyo and Mt and the parents were the ones, spitting, throwing garbage calling names, and scratching. This was before the games ever started and it only got worse as the game progressed. Just listen to this crossbreds remarks and his written stated beleifs, and his is the worst racist puke ever. Go to any large city and see what areas citizens don’t walk thru, even in daylight, usually it is bean belly turf or JB pumpkin pounding drug dealers turf!

  • jopa

    Confederate flag on his own personal truck no big deal.If he put it on the school bus or any other decal just take it off.I see all these people running around with swastika tattoos I don’t think it is necessary for them to cover them up.I would rather know if they have them or not but I wouldn’t buy them a beer either.The flag guy I would.

    • Doc Sarvis

      Interesting “where do you draw the line” situation; would a school in a majority Jewish neighborhood be justified to fire or not hire someone if they displayed a swastika tattoo?

      I would say yes. To many people (granted not all) it is similarly offensive to display the “confederate flag”.

      • 45caliber

        Not under freedom of speech.

      • JC

        Tough! No one has the right not to be offended.

      • Doc Sarvis

        The person sure has the right to have the tattoo but do you deny that the employer would not be influenced in this scenerio by the presence of that tatoo?

      • JC

        Doc Sarvis says:
        March 21, 2011 at 12:54 pm

        I would say yes. To many people (granted not all) it is similarly offensive to display the “confederate flag”.

        ____________________________________________________________

        Offensive in what way? The south was fighting to maintain it’s sovereignty and were the victims of northern aggression. So in what way is the confederate flag offensive?

        And please don’t trot out that tired old and wrong argument about slavery. Nothing about that war had anything to do with slavery other than as a useful tool of northern propoganda.

  • http://AOL.COM FRENCHIE

    IS THE CONFEDERATE FLAG NOT ALSO AN AMERICAN FLAG ? WAS IT NOT FLOWN BY AMERICANS ? THE ANSWER IS A RESOUNDING “YES”. IT IS, IN FACT, AN AMERICAN FLAG. I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS IN THE ARMY, I HAD A CONFEDERATE FLAG HANGING IN MY ROOM IN THE BARRACKS. THE CAPTAIN TOLD ME TO TAKE IT DOWN, BUT THE COLONEL SIDED WITH ME THAT IT WAS AN AMERICAN FLAG & PART OF MY HERITAGE. THEREFORE, BECAUSE IT WAS FLOWN AS A SYMBOL OF HERITAGE & NOT OF HATE, IT NEVER LEFT THE WALL ABOVE MY BUNK. YES, THIS PISSED THE CAPTAIN OFF TERRIBLY. BUT THANKS TO THE COLONEL’S BELIEF IN FREEDOM OF SPEECH & RECOGNITION OF MY HERITAGE, IT FLEW UNTIL THE DAY I LEFT. PROUDLY, I MAY ADD. IT MAY ALSO BE WORTH MENTIONING THAT THE COMPANY X.O. (WHO WAS JEWISH) SIDED WITH ME ALSO. THAT WAS BACK IN ’88, BUT I THINK IT STANDS AS A GOOD MEASURE EVEN TODAY. MAYBE THE QUESTION “WOULD AN AFRICAN FLAG, OR ISRAELI FLAG, OR A CUBAN FLAG (SINCE CUBA IS COMMUNIST), OR MEXICAN FLAG BE CONSIDERED OFFENSIVE TO WHITES ?” SHOULD BE ASKED. YES, I KNOW, NOBODY CARES WHAT OFFENDS WHITES. BUT IN CONSIDERING THIS DEBATE, SHOULDN’T ALL SIDES & FLAGS BE CONSIDERED ? THIS IS NOTHING MORE THAN P.C. BULLSH!T RUN WILD & IT’S TIME FOR IT TO END. I HOPE THIS GUY WINS & GETS SO MUCH THAT HE NEVER HAS TO WORK ANOTHER DAY IN HIS LIFE JUST ON THE PRINCIPLE OF IT ALL. STUFF LIKE THIS JUST MAKES ME SICK. WHAT HAS THIS COUNTRY COME TO WHEN AN EMPLOYER CAN TELL YOU WHAT YOU CAN & CAN’T HAVE ON YOUR OWN PERSONAL VEHICLE ?

    • Doc Sarvis

      I don’t think it is an American flag as the Confederacy had ceceded from the U.S.

      • JC

        So what were the people of the south then Doc?
        Swedish?

        • Doc Sarvis

          Citizens of the Confederate states NOT the United States.

          • http://AOL.COM FRENCHIE

            AH YES, CITIZENS OF THE CONFEDERATE STATES….OF AMERICA. THE PROPER NAME WAS, IN FACT, THE CONFEDERATE STATES OF AMERICA. THEREFORE, THE PEOPLE WERE STILL AMERICANS & IT IS STILL AN AMERICAN FLAG. PERIOD.

          • Doc Sarvis

            Frenchie, what do you think the word secede means?

          • Eddie47d

            North and South Korea are still Koreans but I sure as heck wouldn’t want to live in the North or fly the North’s flag as a South Korean.

          • JC

            Maybe you’re right. It’s time for the south to secede again.
            I’d move there in a heart beat if it did. The Government of the United States Enterprises Inc. is completely out of control anyway…

          • Eddie47d

            Good Bye.

      • Erik

        Those seceded states were still located in America. Perhaps you’re not aware of America’s boundaries? North America? South America? Both are still America. I realize you’re just here to troll, but get your facts right. The Southern states seceded from the U.S., NOT America.

        • JC

          You’re right. They seceded, legally, from a Government controlled by Banksters. And it still is controlled by Banksters. They seceded for liberty and they were the ones fighting for freedom and what the Constitution was meant to be.

        • http://gunner689 gunner689

          The South was within their legal bounds to succeed from the Union. It was the Union who acted illegally by invading the South. Long may the Stars and Bars fly high over this Nation to remind us that the gvt. works for us and when it doesn’t there are alternatives.

  • ONTIME

    Man, that was one stupid bus driver, after all the trouble the PC History Police, a growing agency of the Federal Government, sanctioned, funded and czared by the Barry Sotero Administration, went thru to rip all those pages from every written text in the United States, I would have to say that bus driver just had no couth…..all in faver say Aye!

    • 45caliber

      Ontime:

      Hey! He’s a redneck! What can you say? And like most rednecks he’s proud of it and won’t back down.

      He’s also the guy I’d want in my corner if trouble comes along.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      Nay !!! You can surcome to Political Correctness if you chose. But most of us believe in our God given Rights.

  • scott

    The people who state the history of the star’s and bar’s are correct, that’s history and there is no changing whats happened,times change,that flag has for right or wrong-means something else today, most people in this country are over sensitive to its new meaning. If you want to keep your job you must comply with your employers wishes, or your gone,simple as that,The company asked him twice to take it down,he wanted to be a hard ass,he lost his job,his decision,to the rest of you,what would happen to your job if you decided to do what you wanted to do?

    • Raggs

      I would call that discrimination to fire someone for something that person believes in.

  • http://gunner689 gunner689

    I personally don’t give two hoots about someones “sensativity”, especiaaly when it counter acts my First Ammendment Rights. If people don’t want to be stereotyped they shouldn’t act so damn stereotypical.

  • 45caliber

    One of the main points I see here is that the KIDS were not involved. He didn’t have it on the bus the kids say; he had it on his truck at the company site that the kids never went to. It was apparently another member of the bus drivers who complained about it.

  • Bob

    Lieberals see freedom of speech as them shouting their lies while others are forced to listen. I hope this guy wins his suit big time.

    • 45caliber

      Not only supposed to listen but also not able to rebutt their lies. Affectively, “freedom of speech” to them means “for them alone”.

  • newspooner

    Once again, the pseudo-liberal phony socialists are hypocrites. The flag that should never be flown in this country is the UN flag. It represents communism, which is far worse than than the seccessionism represented by the confederate flag.

    • 45caliber

      Agreed.

    • JC

      Amen that! Screw the UN.

  • OKAY

    Doc Sarvis, that’s somewhat of a stretch to equate a swastika tatoo to a confederate flag. The confederate flag was on the back of his vehicle, not on his person. Unfortunately, many liberals believe the same about the American flag so no surprise here.

  • crystal

    I’m Black, and even I disagree with this driver being fired. He wasn’t flying his flag from the school bus and I’d rather have one’s feelings and beliefs out in the open than to be surprised by a bushwhack. Let me know upfront and out in the open, so I can maneuver accordingly.

  • Raggs

    Sence we are on the topic of free speech..

    How many have heard about the UN’s blasphemy law?

    In case you have not, it is a law that will punish by imprisonment or death any that speak out against islam….

    This law obama supports.

    • Jay

      Raggs, you’re joking, right?

      • Myron J. Poltroonian

        From Google: United Nations will violate Human Rights says new report on …
        Oct 29, 2009 … UN Blasphemy Law Would Make Religious Disagreements a Crime …
        http://www.iheu.org/united-nations-will-violate-human-rights-says-new-report- religious-freedoms -

      • Raggs

        I was going to post a link on that but figured if anyone thought different than the truth i would give them the doubt.

        That said … NO I’M NOT JOKING!

        • Jay

          Hey Raggs, you weren’t kidding. This is pure madness, no wait, its censorship. Why now, and why regarding religion of all things. What’s up with that? I wonder if this has anything to do with the recent anti-muslim sentiment expressed in this country, in regards to obama’s Islamic affiliations? Or maybe this law must be passed first, in order to allow the Islamic religion equal status in this country. This could be a back door for them, to acquire by law, those special considerations they want. Mosque at ground zero, sharia law? and who knows what else. From what I understand, and I’l check it out for sure, the majority of UN member states are Islamic. Check out some of the info below. I’ll scour for more.

          Group of 77 at the United Nations is a loose coalition of developing nations, designed to promote its members’ collective economic interests and create an enhanced joint negotiating capacity in the United Nations.[1] There were 77 founding members of the organization, but the organization has since expanded to 131 member countries. Practically speaking (as of 2010), the group can be described as comprising all of UN members (along with the Palestinian Authority) excluding the following:
          1. all CoE members (with the exception of Bosnia Herzegovina);
          2. all OECD members (with the exception of Chile);
          3. all CIS (full) members (with the exception of Tajikistan);
          4. all “mini” countries (whose population size is under 50,000);
          5. Kiribati (whose population size is just under 100,000).
          Argentina holds the Chairmanship for 2011.[2]
          The group was founded on June 15, 1964 by the “Joint Declaration of the Seventy-Seven Countries” issued at the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD).[3] The first major meeting was in Algiers in 1967, where the Charter of Algiers was adopted and the basis for permanent institutional structures was begun. There are Chapters of the Group of 77 in Rome (FAO), Vienna (UNIDO), Paris (UNESCO), Nairobi (UNEP) and the Group of 24 in Washington, D.C. (IMF and World Bank).

          • Raggs

            Well it looks like this…

            The UN will abide obama and vis-versa… If you can see the big picture you will know that obama is set to be the leader of the NWO.
            Most people have notta clue what the NWO is but they think that they do.. To put it plainly.. it is a global governance lead by the UN with one single leader, obama.. A world / global dictator..
            Why do you think obama really don’t give a flying shit about the US?
            Why does obama listen to the UN and intrude on Libya without the concent of congress?
            Why did obama play golf when Japan was hit last week by an earthquake never previously recorded?
            Why did obama and soros sink billions of dollars into petro-bra ( Brazilian oil ) and he made a trip there yesterday to check on his stock telling brazil that the US will buy ever drop of oil they produce?

            This man has a VERY EVIL agenda, you would be foolish not to see it.

          • Jay

            Raggs, I know of the NWO, but Obama? as the head?

        • JC

          Gee Raggs, so we can’t say that breaking or amputating the arms of hungry children for stealing bread, stoning women to death or pouncing on unsuspecting young girls in order to perform clitorectomy’s (to keep them pure) is barbaric…that these are the acts of animals? We can’t say that?

          Ok good to know.

        • Jay

          It’s a well known fact and history proves it, control freaks and tyrants eventually self-destruct, and are left swinging on the gallows!

  • http://PersonalLibertynews JOHN KING

    the answer to this WHOLE mess is to open and read this link ASAP!!!,

    republicoftheunitedstates.org

    any of you that believe in the freedom of speech, and even in FREEDOM in any true sence of the term will find the info more than ‘TRUTHFULL’ as it has opened up my eyes to facts never before put into our Nation’s History books.
    qapla’

  • Myron J. Poltroonian

    When this speech is declared illegal, I’ll become a criminal: “I may become an enemy of the state, but never of the people”. “Hate Speech Laws”, rules and regulations are a not so subtle precursor to thought control. Think about it (while you can). Controlling what people can say, given enough time, controls what they think. Look at the use by the media (to gain a tiny bit of space with which to sell more “content”) of the singular tense in plural sentence structure and vice versa becoming used more and more, without any meaningful push back by the educational community, by the way, to see how quickly and easily it is done.

    • Jay

      Myron J. Poltroonian, It seems the medieval witch hunters are back, and this time they are sporting Islamic garb.

    • http://gunner689 gunner689

      The media, acedamia, and liberals are all on same Hell – Bound bus.

      • Jay

        Yes, and they reproduce like rats!

  • http://yahoo WASP

    “i rather go to the grave being called a racist than a coward”

    • Raggs

      Yeah… Al sharpton impersonating Jeff foxworthy.

      You must be a racist if…

      • http://yahoo WASP

        raggs what day of the month does your check come? i know your on the dole because you stay on the computer!!!can i get a amen.

  • pilot007

    What is driving this discussion? If the issue is freedom of speech. Lets stay on that. Looks like a few wacko libs are messing up the works here. The bus driver has the right under the Constitution to display anything he desires on his vehicle. End of story. Lets hope that he gets an honest judge and court…Hey, it could happen!

    • Raggs

      pilot… the liberals don’t think you should have your opinion.

    • JC

      With a little luck, he’ll get a court that hasn’t been contaminated and is still capable os seeing right and rong.

  • JimH

    Since the flag wasn’t flown from their bus, but from the driver’s private vehicle it should be of no concern to the bus company. First Student is privatly owned. It isn’t a part of the school district. In our area the busses aren’t parked on school property and the driver’s personal vehicles are parked on “Worst Student” private property. No kids will see it. It is none of the company’s concern. As a special needs driver for another private contractor I talk to the driver’s that work for that company. Ken Webber doesn’t know it yet but they are doing him a favor by letting him go. They have a high turnover rate for a reason.

  • jopa

    I have always been called a liberal on this site and I have no problem with the Stars and Bars, maybe because I was born and raised too far north in Michigans upper peninsula.If Bocephus doesn’t have a problem with it I don’t either.

  • tim

    For you people who didn’t read the story, the flag was on his personal truck, not the bus. Hopefully he will win this suit. The 1st amendment is still intact until obama and his liberal judges go after that.

    • Mick

      tim says:
      March 22, 2011 at 7:14 am
      For you people who didn’t read the story, the flag was on his personal truck, not the bus. Hopefully he will win this suit. The 1st amendment is still intact until obama and his liberal judges go after that**************
      ***************************************
      tim,,,if the American people persist on voting the way they have in the past an allow the fraud and intimidation to continue we won’t have to worry about the 1st amendment or second for that matter the democrats are hard at work ( for once ) at destroying them both and creeping up on the rest of the rights of American citizens, but not to worry they will give those same rights to foreigners especially to the Muslims Europe did it and they now can’t get rid of them…………..

  • JJM

    “School Bus Driver Fired For Displaying Confederate Flag”
    The title made me think he had the flag on the bus. I guess if he had a Dixie paint job on his truck he would be told to repaint it!! This is ignorant BS and serious violation of free speach. Best wishes – get the job back, back pay and damages!!

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