Say Goodbye To The U.S. Economy

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Hello, I’m Wayne Allyn Root for Personal Liberty. I don’t mean to say, “I told you so.” But I told you so.

I’ve predicted disaster for the U.S. economy since the day of Barack Obama’s election in 2008. I’ve got it all memorialized, in writing, in two books and hundreds of commentaries. In Time magazine I called Obama “the greatest jobs killer in world history.” In my latest national bestseller, The Ultimate Obama Survival Guide, I’ve listed hundreds of statistics proving that the U.S. economy is headed for a total collapse. But that was all written months ago. The worst was yet to come.

The results are in. The picture is grim. Here are some frightening economic numbers to think about the next time the lying, manipulating mainstream media tells you that we are in “recovery.”

First, almost 50 percent of Americans have less than $500 in savings. Not surprisingly, one out of three residents of Obama’s home State of Illinois live in poverty. A mind-numbing four of five Americans either are experiencing poverty, foreclosure or welfare, or they will in their lifetime. Four out of five. Say goodbye to the myth of the American dream. It’s only a nightmare now.

Ditto for the American middle class. Obama has massacred it. Our middle class now ranks 27th in the world. I’ve argued from day one that Obama’s goal was to create a two-class society. The two classes are the super rich (who are beholden to Obama for corporate welfare and government contracts) and the poor (who are beholden to Obama for checks to survive). Look no further than the new immigration bill to see the final destruction of middle-class wages.

More grim news: Auto sales are collapsing. Construction jobs are falling off a cliff. And U.S. factory orders just suffered the biggest drop in a year.

What about jobs? Isn’t that picture getting rosier by the minute? Well, actually, no. Let’s analyze the real numbers. Since the start of 2013, we’ve gained 953,000 jobs; but, amazingly, 731,000 of them are crummy, low-wage, part-time jobs. That’s means almost 80 percent of the jobs created in America are part-time jobs that won’t pay the bills of a typical middle-class lifestyle.

The best jobs are manufacturing jobs. Well, under Obama they are losing out by 10-to-1 versus crummy, low-paying jobs. Facts don’t lie: So far this year more than 246,000 low-paying waiter or bartender jobs have been added to the U.S. economy, versus only 24,000 high-paying manufacturing jobs.

How bad is it? Well here’s a Hall of Fame triple play:

The Obama Administration just hired a company to promote Obamacare over the phone to Americans. Guess what? Even those jobs are part-time, with no health insurance.

The head of the Internal Revenue Service just testified in front of Congress that he’d rather keep his own health insurance than switch to Obamacare. The IRS is in charge of Obamacare, and they don’t want any part of it.

And the second-biggest employer in America is now a temp agency. Good luck getting a quality job in this Obama economy.

Still not convinced? Food stamp rolls are growing 75 times as fast as employment. The national debt has increased by 50 percent under Obama, even though he promised to reduce it. Obama promised to reduce health insurance bills for an average American family by $2,500 per year. Instead, your health bills went up by $3,000 per year. The men’s labor participation is the lowest rate ever measured since they started tracking it in 1948. And here’s the clincher: 90 million able-bodied, working-age Americans are not working.

All of this misery morphs together in one tragic new statistic of the Obama economy: There are more Americans getting “food assistance” checks (101 million) than working in the private sector (97 million). We are certainly witnessing the complete destruction of the middle class. It’s been a purposeful plan by Obama from the first day — just as I predicted from the first day.

And if you think help is on the way, I’ve got a bridge to sell you… in Detroit. The biggest city to ever go bankrupt, Detroit, has been run by Democrats since 1962. That’s more than half a century of 100 percent Democrat rule, using the exact same policies as Obama. The city is now in ruins. Detroit leads the Nation in illiteracy, welfare, food stamps, violent crime, murder, abandoned properties and broken street lights.

The city of Detroit’s downfall is built around four core ideas: never-ending entitlement spending, the most government employees per capita of any city in America, monstrous debt and the highest property taxes in America. It’s no surprise then that Detroit is hopelessly bankrupt. But wait, isn’t that Obama’s exact prescription for prosperity for the Nation? High taxes, more spending, more debt and more government employees. Bingo. Help isn’t coming, folks. The cavalry isn’t riding in to save you. They are coming to kill us.

Detroit is certainly the future of America under Obama. It’s the exact same policies. We are experiencing Groundhog Day: doing the same stupid things and expecting a different result.

One last morsel of food for thought: The EU is in the middle of a Great Depression. Countries like Spain, Portugal, Italy, France, Greece and Cyprus face total disaster. Their economies are ruined for generations to come. Yet America under Obama now has more debt than every country in the European Union, combined. Our country has more government debt than any country in the history of the world.

Say goodbye to the U.S. economy. It’s been nice while it lasted. But remember: I told you so. I’m Wayne Allyn Root for Personal Liberty. See you next week. Same time, same place. God bless America.

Wayne Allyn Root

Wayne Allyn Root is one of America's leading Libertarian-conservative authors. Wayne's new book is The Murder of the Middle ClassWayne is a Capitalist Evangelist, serial entrepreneur, conservative media commentator, and proud champion of the middle class. He is a former Libertarian vice presidential nominee and Fox News regular. Follow Wayne on Twitter and visit Wayne's web site: www.ROOTforAmerica.com

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  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    O’homobama “The Private Sector Is Doing Fine”

    O’homobama: If you’ve got a business, YOU DIDN’T BUILD THAT. Somebody
    else made it happen.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKjPI6no5ng

    O’homobama: “Shovel-Ready Not as Shovel-Ready as We Expected”

    O’homo: “American People understand how hard I work”

    Do you?

    He said: “If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s gonna be a one-term proposition.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmRgaKfWMPA

    So, WHAT he is doing there???

    • FreedomFighter

      Impeach Obama — clean the progressives out of DC, take back our once great nation from the clutches of those that seek to destroy it.
      Fight agenda 21 at the local level, find out how, fight it at the state level, fight the political battles at the local and state levels, GET INVOLVED — the people are the last defense. Our leadership is compromised all the way to the top and cannot be trusted to do what is in our best interest as Americans.
      Laus Deo
      Semper FI

      • 5live5

        Unfortunately there are too many brain dead voters that keep on voting for them. the problem I see is keeping the voters awake and informed! Good luck on that! Don’t worry, I’m not giving up either!

    • 5live5

      The problem with the third one down is the only shovel ready job open was cleaning all the Bull$hit that obambam spewed around! he only created THAT one cause he worried about drowning in it!

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    March 8, 2013 vs. October 9, 2007

    GDP Growth +3.0% +0.1%
    Reg. Gas Price $2.77 $3.74
    Unemployment 7.2M 12.3M
    (in Labor Force)
    Food Stamps 26.6M 47.69M
    Fed. Balance Sheet $0.85T 3.07T
    Debt as % of GDP 35.7% 73.0%
    Record high of 10.9 Million Americans are collecting disability benefits/insurance
    Only 1/3 recipients of Medicaid are senior citizens

    • Karolyn

      Gas has only gone up $1 in 5 years? Not bad. Actually, gas here in SC is $3.21 these days, so it’s only gone up .44.

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        STUPID Liberal HYPOCRITE thy name is, Karolyn.

        5 Years ago the gas price in SC wasn’t $2.77.
        The data I posted was average for the U.S.

        Regular Gas Prices in SC in the last 36 hours are:
        $3.09 – $3.79
        It varies from area and Gas station

        Highest Regular Gas Prices in the Last 36 hours:
        $3.79 – Charleston, Columbia Central
        $3.69 – West Columbia , Piedmont, Sumter
        $3.59 – Greenville

        P.S. In my area last week the Regular gas price was $3.99 – $4.19

        Why would not you just stop to crap your liberal falsehood.

        • Karolyn

          “Why would not you just stop to crap your liberal falsehood.” What does that mean?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            It means exactly what it says. If you have problems with
            English, so go for the consultation to:
            http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/crap
            1) to talk NONSENSE to; attempt to DECEIVE
            2) to behave in a FOOLISH or SILLY manner

            Or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crap
            Crap is a slang term for feces, also used as a colloquialism to describe something substandard /inferior/ poor/ below average/ unacceptable/ poor quality/ below par/ not up to scratch

            I just wander when you’ll stop to air across your idiotic
            stupidity.

            Any questions more?

          • 5live5

            Karolyn, Just what is there that is not clear about his post? He does a very good job of disputing your post! As I have said to you in the past, you are VERY much a progressive liberal!

          • BillP

            Karolyn

            Don’t you know you can’t question anything on this website. I don’t understand the sentence “Why would not you just stop to crap your liberal falsehood.” Structurally is it poor, it should end with a question mark not a period. I’m guessing the writer meant to tell you to stop spreading your liberal falsehood (that’s anything that is at odds with this website).

    • 5live5

      the unseen big picture on those food stamps, welfare, and freebies is that for every billion dollars in freebies given each year, the tax payers have to come up with FOUR BILLION in income! When it gets a little worse, we will be handing out IOUs for food stamps. ESPECIALLY with “low paying part time jobs”!!!

  • KG

    Our present situation in our country didn’t start on Tuesday, January 20, 2009. To destroy America, it has taken 30+ years of slow and steady Conservative dismantling and selling off of Americas Industrial treasure. And slowly but steadily bleeding American workers of 100 years of progress in workers gains of dignity in the workplace. When times get good, people forget the misery and suffering of a few years before. Capitalist economies have these ‘cycles’ due to man’s natural myopia of economic fortune. America is great when her workers are great. And America suffers when her workers suffer.

    • JThaddeustoad

      KG ….. 30 years ago we were doing business and the American worker was enjoying the fruits… Greed set in …. It started on Wall street with the likes of BOESKI,MILKIN and GOLDMAN SACHS and,then moved to the unionization of america. The uaw were building cars that didn’t work,while civil servants unionized. This was not a conservative effort ,this was the greed of the working class. They gave industry no choice but to seek cheaper labor in order to stay in business… Elected officials(also public servants) set the table for the exporting of jobs..You are correct when you say “America is great,when her workers are great”. Well the american worker is not great …. Why should I still be paying a worker in the form of a pension for doing a lousy job,why should I have to pay the cop,the mailman,the teacher and any other nonproductive civil servant forever… you are right this didn’t start with OBAMA …. OBAMA is what we have become…

      • KG

        quote: This was not a conservative effort ,this was the greed of the working class.

        So, it’s the fault of the powerless worker putting on fenders in Detroit who’s to blame for the decisions of the ‘coffee drinkers’ in the big office buildings?

        I’m willing to bet that if you have a college degree, it was because of your Dad’s good paying Union job that helped you. If not, then it was the wages of all the working people around you who had the foresight to build universities for you to attend.

        quote: Why should I still be paying a worker in the form of a pension for doing a lousy job…

        OK, then, lets stop giving Social Security to all of the selfish babyboomers. I feel I’ve been riped-off by the former hippies who became Republicans out of guilt from what they did in the 60’s.

        • JThaddeustoad

          KG …. Iam a high school grad who was a member of the CWA for many years and ventured out to start my own business which I ran for 20 plus years …. Our situation is because of what we have become and every body must shoulder some responsibility…. BTW my dad was in the building trades and supported and educated 7 of us…. I payed double SS as a business owner … you want to stop mine … if that is the case you are part of problem and not the solution..

          • KG

            Oh, I see. It’s just like what Libertarians believe – “…it’s not about ‘freedom, it’s about MORALITY.”
            But I have to ask the question, WHOSE MORALITY?
            I mean Adolph Hitler had Morals, Pinochet had morals, Reagan had morals – just whose morals are we talking about?

          • Average_Joe56

            “Oh, I see. It’s just like what Libertarians believe – “…it’s not about ‘freedom, it’s about MORALITY.”

            But I have to ask the question, WHOSE MORALITY?”

            Do you just make this stuff up as you go?
            Nobody but you is talking about morals………. Must be that Hopey, Feely…. coming out of you.

            Dude, put down the crack pipe….. and step away from the keyboard…..

        • Average_Joe56

          KG,

          Thank you for the daily dose of stupid…I’m not sure what we would do without your daily input of ignorance and assumptions.

          “So, it’s the fault of the powerless worker putting on fenders in Detroit who’s to blame for the decisions of the ‘coffee drinkers’ in the big office buildings?”

          In a word…YES.

          Typical scenario…..

          Union workers: We want, we want, we want……

          Company: We can’t afford it….

          Union workers: We don’t care…we want, we want, we want…….

          Union: Give us what we want or we will shut you down by striking and use of force!

          Company: We can’t afford it….

          Union: Fine…we’re on strike…and we’ll crack the skulls of anyone crossing our lines….You will not be allowed to do business…unless we allow it…GIVE US WHAT WE WANT!!!

          Company:…Fine, we can’t afford it…it cannot possibly last forever…so here you go…

          So, there you go……

          You got what you wanted….. and now the money is all gone…the companies have basically bankrupted themselves…to give you what you wanted…and you still complain….. And to top it off, you have the nerve to insinuate that others are greedy?

          “OK, then, lets stop giving Social Security to all of the selfish babyboomers.” (sic)
          Giving? Did you seriously …just say that?
          Have you forgotten who exactly has paid the most into the Social Security system since it’s inception? That would be the Baby Boomers. SSI Didn’t start until 1935. During the first 10 years, SSI paid out more than it took in. Many people started collecting as soon as it took effect.
          Baby Boomers started being born around 1946. As a result, they have contributed more of their income than any other group to Social Security….and the least likely to get back their investment.
          If your grandparents have or are collecting SSI….thank a Boomer…they paid for it!
          We paid in…it belongs to us….the government isn’t “giving” us anything….it’s ours.

          • KG

            Don’t tell your young ‘libertarian’ friends with the Rand/Ron Paul sticker on their car. They might try to strangle you.

          • Average_Joe56

            Oh guffaw…dang yer funny…(looks aren’t everything)… quite stupid….but funny…..

          • 5live5

            KG, I’ve been a member of three unions. The IBEW, the UAW, and the Teamsters, although the last was a very short acquaintance. all EITHER of them did for me was get the second shift laid off cause the company had to cut corners and I was a second shifter. BTW the Teamsters raided us at the last one and swayed the heads of the younger workers by promises of a $1.50 an hour raise. well, when they couldn’t get a vote strike to come out their way, they walked away from us, even though they knew we would not get any help with our heat, no strike benefits, and five of us had babies on the way. Yeah, the union really cared about us!

          • KG

            Most guys with a story like yours weren’t the ‘innocent’ babes you make yourselves out to be. You probably used bad protocol or insulted someone. You might have even been a lazy loser who couldn’t keep up with the Union standards. That’s OK. I know a lot of losers who can’t keep the high standards Union members expect from each other.
            I bet you enjoyed those Union wages.

          • 5live5

            Well, you show your intelligence level here seeing as you KNOW NOTHING about me. I have ALWAYS gotten good references from ALL jobs I worked at. See, unlike you, according to what I’ve seen you post, I feel that a boss pays me to WORK!

          • Karolyn

            Company: “Screw you!” The bottom line is more important than The United States – especially the bottom line of our top execs.”

          • Average_Joe56

            I guess you’re going to tell me about how wonderful the Unions are?

            Let me enlighten you Karolyn. My father retired from the UMWA (United Mine Workers) after 30plus years working the coal mines in W.Va.. Before that he spent 20 years with UOE (Operating Engineers). Trust me when I say….I know about Unions and how they operate.

            Yes, I remember every time the unions went on strike…I remember my dad saying that he wouldn’t work the picket lines…because people get hurt and dead on the picket lines. I also remember him sitting at home for weeks at a time… still collecting a paycheck from the union hall. I also remember him saying…”we will get what we want from the contract….because they can’t operate without us…and they can’t hire anyone to take our jobs”.

            My dad now says…the unions and union workers brow beat the companies …out of business.

            I agree with my dad…workers got too greedy and unions got too powerful….and they’ve finally drained their hosts dry…

            Thank God for “Right to Work” states….where union vampires can’t force their victims to offer up their own blood for a chance to work and eek out a living….as unionized zombies…..

            Vampirism usually stops when there’s nobody left to drain….. Unions are reaching that point……

          • Karolyn

            You would seriously “guess” at what I would say about unions, Joe? I said nothing about unions. Why would you attribute something to someone who hasn’t said anything about it? All I know is that my father’s union did well by him, as did my uncles’. Unions have had, and do have, their bad points and good points. They were especially important in the early days of sweat shops and people like Carnegie. I just don’t think things are as simple as you make them out to be. All the issues we face are very complex, and not one man or one party has all, or even any, of the answers. AND – not one person, or one party, is responsible for the current situation.

          • Average_Joe56

            ” I just don’t think things are as simple as you make them out to be. All the issues we face are very complex, and not one man or one party has all, or even any, of the answers. AND – not one person, or one party, is responsible for the current situation.”

            But, didn’t you just say:

            “Company: “Screw you!” The bottom line is more important than The United States – especially the bottom line of our top execs.”

            I guess the standard changes…based on who is saying what….Ok, I understand how the game is played now…thanks K……

            You live and learn. At any rate, you live.
            Douglas Adams

          • Karolyn

            Where on earth are you coming from, Joe? I don’t even get your point. I certainly am not saying the cause of ALL our problems is Big Business. What are you getting at?

          • Average_Joe56

            ” I don’t even get your point. ”
            As usual……therein lies the problem……

          • Karolyn

            Well, then, rather than make a snide remark, why not enlighten me?

          • Average_Joe56

            I have tried, on numerous occasions. Eventually, I tend to stop beating my head against a rock. A sore head won’t help either of us…..
            You can’t blame the company greed as the culprit…and the turn around and say that it isn’t that simple….when someone else proposes an alternate scenario.
            It seems to be that simple…if you say it…but not if someone else says it.
            It’s not that you’re always right…everyone else who disagrees with you…… is just…. always wrong….. the rules seem to change…depending on who you are talking to …and whether or not they agree with you…..
            (go ahead, tell me how you still don’t get it)………

          • 5live5

            Average_joe,
            They are trying their damnedest to do away with right to work in Ohio, and I will vote against their efforts EVERY time!!

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Karolyn,

            Please tell us what is the purpose of a business, or as you referred to it, a “company?”

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Karolyn

            Geez, Bob, you know I’m not stupid! the purpose of a business is to make money, but it does not have to be at the expense of the workers or the economy in general. Companies can make lots of money and still pay workers a decent wage. Greed is the problem. Sharing and community and working together for the good of all is the solution. Just too many greedy sobs out there.

          • Average_Joe56

            Karolyn,
            We have all agreed that greed is the problem. The question is….who’s greed?
            Is it the companies…who have invested their capitol, their ability to make things happen, their drive and determination, their vision and their resources?
            Or, is it the union worker who has no skin in the game, no vision, no drive and no determination to do anything more than put in a 40 hour week doing the same repetitious job day in and day out? The same folks who do as little as possible and have no pride in their work…yet demand more wages, more benefits, more paid time off…..more, more, more…..?
            When the workers have skin in the game…they have the right to complain…..
            If they don’t have skin in the game…they need to take what is offered….or work elsewhere …it’s just that simple.
            I believe in paying a man what he’s worth…not what he thinks he’s worth…that’s usually as inflated as his view of his manhood.

          • Average_Joe56

            Karolyn,
            We have all agreed that greed is the problem. The question is….who’s greed?
            Is it the companies…who have invested their capitol, their ability to make things happen, their drive and determination, their vision and their resources?
            Or, is it the union worker who has no skin in the game, no vision, no drive and no determination to do anything more than put in a 40 hour week doing the same repetitious job day in and day out? The same folks who do as little as possible and have no pride in their work…yet demand more wages, more benefits, more paid time off…..more, more, more…..?
            When the workers have skin in the game…they have the right to complain…..
            If they don’t have skin in the game…they need to take what is offered….or work elsewhere …it’s just that simple.
            I believe in paying a man what he’s worth…not what he thinks he’s worth…that’s usually as inflated as his view of his manhood.

          • 5live5

            joe, if I could give you TWO ups I would. There is a point that a good wage, as Karolyn calls it, becomes toxic to the company. If they raise their prices to make up the deficit, they are no longer competitive and if they continue bleeding, they go under and EVERYONE suffers! all the big Unions are looking for now is POWER and the hell with anybody who doesn’t like it!

          • Average_Joe56

            My late uncle worked as a mechanic for Oldsmobile for 40 years. Back in the 60’s he became regional trainer for certification of all Oldsmobile mechanics in a three state region (for background purposes). Back in 1972, a gentleman bought an Oldsmobile 98 Regency from a dealership (These cars are so exclusive that they were registered with Tiffany’s). After a few days, the man returned to the dealership complaining about a “rattling sound” in the rear of the car. They took it for a drive, heard the rattling. They inspected the car from front to back and couldn’t locate the problem. The dealership ordered and replaced the car. The car was then sent to my uncle, he and his students began to dismantle the car.

            What they found?….dropped between two panels in the rear 1/4 panel and simply covered over…a beer can….

            An entire car, destroyed because of one man drinking on the job. The costs of building the car, the transport to the dealer and then to my uncle’s training shop and disassembly …simply…wasted.
            The result of this man’s actions? He was given an official reprimand on his permanent employment record and told not to do it again.
            Aren’t unions grand?

          • 5live5

            YUP!!!

          • Don in Ohio

            Karolyn said: “too many greedy sobs out there”
            So who is the greedist?
            Workers who demand more than the business can afford,
            or
            the business’s desire to stay in business and make a lot of money.
            Yes there are filty rich people and there are dirt poor people but which one is responsible for their condition??
            Clue, IT’S BOTH.
            I was a union member for 25 years (IBEW and CWA) and they were constantly beating up the companies over wages, working conditions and trivial B.S.
            Unions make it very very hard to fire deadbeat employees and waste tons of time and money picking on the companies.
            It’s like beating the Golden Goose to make it lay more gold eggs—- it doesn’t work!

          • Don 2

            I agree with you Don in Ohio. I supervised I.B.E.W. members for 23 years. Of course there were good employees, as well as lousy ones. The sub-standard, low performing union members were all but impossible to get rid of, constantly needed the union to keep their jobs, and were a big negative on everyone. The hard working self-starter did not need a union, and the dues that they paid was just cash being taken out of their household budget. Some of the local union leadership over the years were nothing but thugs and trouble makers, and should have been terminated themselves, but we all know that is impossible.

          • trugrits

            “Sharing and community and working together for the good of all is the solution. Just too many greedy sobs out there.”
            You should be poster child for Obozo “you didn’t make that business”.

            Sharing? Do you understand a business owner has no obligation to share what he worked for? The employee must work for what he earns not expect the business owner to just share with the employee.

            $74 an hour including benefits is a fair wage for installing 8 nuts on car frames? Supposedly $10,000 of price of a car goes to pay employees making the car. That is insane.
            Community working and sharing together for the good of all? BS! What is fair is you should get paid for what you worked for. If you don’t work and sit on your lazy hind end then you should get rewarded accordingly. But according to you those greedy SOB’s that own and work their businesses should be fair and pay for the lazy useless turds to live a decent life. That same turd that is getting money to sit on his lazy arse is the same low life that will kill or steal from what the working fool has left from his paycheck. It is common knowledge food stamps are sold to buy crack. But you think people with money should be fair and give more.
            When you have given your fair share, meaning you have given most of your income away to those less fortunate, then you talk to me about giving my fair share. Oh I forget you only think the greedy SOB that has worked hours upon hours building his business should give his money away because he has more than the lazy have. Well there are plenty people have less than you so I guess that makes you one of those selfish greedy SOB’s.
            You are such a hypocrite!

          • 5live5

            “supposedly $10,000 dollars of the price of a car goes to pay the employees making the car. That’s insane!”
            YUP especially if its a $12,000 dollar car!!!!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What’s stopping you and your fellow Liberal Progressives from starting your own companies, Karolyn?
            Show us how it’s done. Pay your workers what they think is right.

          • Karolyn

            First of all, Dave, I am not a Liberal Progressive. Secondly, I would love to start a business; but that is financially impossible at this point. I understand what you are saying; I just wish you could understand what I am saying.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I understand exactly what you are saying, Karolyn.
            You are making a judgement about other peoples’ business practices even though yours weren’t sufficient to keep your own business going.
            Without walking in their shoes you have no idea what they must contend with. If you think they’re Greedy, then DON’T buy their products. It’s as simple as that. But don’t enlist the help of your Government bully boys, who are always happy to Grow their Power and Perks, to come to your aid.

          • Jimmy the Greek

            Bob the good of the country should come before the stockholders and bankers

          • 5live5

            Should it Jimmy? the only thing the government does with our tax dollars is WASTE IT! We haven’t run on a budget for the last 36+ months! oh and I forgot to mention they line their own pockets with it!

        • trugrits

          Selfish baby boomers? For over 40 years I paid into social security. Now people like you that want to give my SS money to lazy good for nothing leeches,Just so they will vote for more Obozo communist crap. Look who Obozo is putting into every office. They are being put there by Obozo to continue taking this country apart piece by piece. Constitution? Obozo is constantly shredding it not upholding it.

          You have the ignorance to call baby boomers selfish. No doubt you fully support Obozo in giving what I worked for away to illegals that haven’t paid a cent into S.S. You are the contributing thief of Obozo. You and those like you are the thieves calling themselves the do gooders.

          • 5live5

            trugrits,
            My wife and I both have paid into it and now Obambam care will take BILLIONS from medicare that doesn’t pay the Drs. enough NOW. The Mayo Clinic announced last year that they would no longer take medicare patients as the government didn’t pay them enough to take care of overhead let alone patient care! Also listed was the delay in paying them!

        • Katrael

          The workers on the assembly line aren’t powerless and they certainly aren’t above greed. Greed is a sickness that infects all classes of people. The difference between the greedy rich and the greedy poor? Their methods of obtaining what they want.
          The Unions didn’t create the wealth of this nation and were not responsible for the lifestyle Americans used to enjoy. I don’t know if you know where wealth comes from?

          • Jimmy the Greek

            They can only buld what the coffie drinkers desined and made as cheap as they could

          • Katrael

            I wasn’t talking about what they build; I was talking about the worker obtaining what they desire. Am I to assume that you didn’t understand my point about greed? Perhaps you deny that poor people can be greedy?
            Besides: what’s the word “poor” have to do with the average auto worker? They live a king’s lifestyle compared to many in this country. Too bad it won’t last.
            By the way, I’m not against someone earning a good wage nor am I against any auto workers. Everything is well and good as long as the consumer can afford it. The problem now: too many consumers can no longer afford the high prices.

          • Jimmy the Greek

            Our cars went to hell in the early 70s and just in the last few years have they gotten good Like the new mustang GT

          • Katrael

            I agree with your assessment about the quality of the American automobile.

          • Jimmy the Greek

            I worked in a GM plant in 1967 in linden N J , the work was so hard i only lasted 3 weeks , if you gave me $ 50.00 per hr it would not be enouf money to work there

          • Katrael

            I guess that fifty dollars an hour is close to what some auto worker earn? I don’t know. As far as how hard it was or is to work making automobiles? There are plenty who don’t agree with how hard you make it seem. However, having said that all assembly line work can seem daunting at first. I know, I’ve worked at assembly line work, not as a auto worker, but making fiberglass insulation. It was hard at first but got easier with time. Maybe you didn’t give it long enough?

          • Jimmy the Greek

            They don’t make near $50.00 per hr , That is the BS they feed to people to get you mad at the auto worker, what the do is add every thing into the hr. wage , retiearmint , ins, ect , If i had to work like that today , i would rob supermartets first lol

          • Katrael

            Then they do earn close to fifty dollars an hour. The cost is the same to the company so that’s what they end up paying for. Well, the companies don’t pay for it the consumers do through the prices they pay for these automobiles. I guess you could pay the worker one hundred or even a thousand dollars an hour and the end effect would be the same for the company: they’d have to pass it on to the consumer.

          • Jimmy the Greek

            You could say that , The problem is our system There should be no stock market or centreal bank , The sooner this all falls apart the better we dont need to be a super power , the USA needs to become about five countrys

          • Katrael

            It’ll take a while before we aren’t a super power, but we’re headed that way. I think there will always be some kind of a stock market as long as there are people who need investment capital to build a business. The banks? I can’t stand them or their theories.

          • Jimmy the Greek

            The stock market is there to rob the small invester , I had people telling me ” you are making a lot of money you need to invest in enorn like us ” ya right ! then after that one the same bunch lost there rear ends in the hi tec crap , me i buy old motorcycles and other things that are hard to get right now LOL and partyed my ars off and guess what were are all about in the same place today , You can’t get ahead because the bankers well pull the rug out from you every few years that is how they make there money LOL when i die i hope i can owe the IRS all kind of money and if i could only know ahead of time i would max out my credit , lol so that the bank and the goverment can send morners to my send off to cry for the money they got shafted for , lol hell the ones that cry the louldest at a sendoff is the ones you owed money to or the ones that got nothing !

          • Katrael

            I don’t play the stock market. I do recognize that there are some who need investment capital who sell stock to the public. It’s a risk that you have to be willing to take.

            I agree that the bankers and politicians control things. Look at what happened to Tucker.

          • Jimmy the Greek

            The way tucker did it is the way investers should invest . not with the zionest controled stock market .

          • Katrael

            I agree that Tucker had the correct idea when he approached individuals to invest in his dream, but not all of his ideas were good ones. He went to the government to help find a place to build his automobiles but it was that same government that took him to court and took his facilities away from him. He was naive to the ways of the world. As far as the Zionist controlled stock market? I believe that there are wealthy Jews who manipulate the stock market but I don’t attribute that control to the nation of Israel as a whole. Now, I don’t like the stock market but I do know that something similar will always exist as long as there is a need for investment capital.

          • 5live5

            My father in law retired with a cash settlement. He was a head chemist and got a very nice bundle for 37 years with the same NON UNION shop. He invested it with a good group and even though he’s not killing the stocks, he is comfortable and wants for nothing. His home is in an area of 750000 to one million. homes so I would say he made his well. Oh and before you start, he’d give a guy the shirt off his back if asked. he’s a damn good man and I’m blessed to have him as a relative!

          • 5live5

            not NO, but HELL NO!

          • Jimmy the Greek

            Why not i have nothin in comon with thinking of the east cost north of GA. I would like to see Texas , LA , Miss, OK , become one state , Do what you well with the rest of it ,

          • 5live5

            Jimmy, I fought under this flag for the WHOLE country, not just for the ones that think exactly like me. your idea could be taken too far just like the progressives could. Just get the WRONG people in government and there you go! There are people that look for constitutional conservative ways in EVERY state in the union, they are just out numbered by the FOOLS. Don’t be afraid of a little foot work, man get out and convert some FOOLS!

          • Jimmy the Greek

            What does the CEO make or the others at the top sitting on there asses ?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            It’s none of your business, Jimmy. They get those salaries Freely from the owners of the Company who think they are worth it.

          • Jimmy the Greek

            They are not worth more than the worker cleaning the crapper !

          • Jimmy the Greek

            They are not worth more than the worker cleaning the crapper !

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Then the worker cleaning the crapper should seek employment elsewhere or start his own company. That choice is his.

          • Jimmy the Greek

            Well i have been self enployed since 1989 . So i don’t worry about the corp , BS If they rub the wrong way i don’t move there fright !

          • 5live5

            And YOU lose money!! They just find somebody else to ship it. Most likely an independent!

          • 5live5

            Without their influx of money to the company and their Ideas on what to build that will sell, that sweeper won’t have a job! If it slows down enough, YOU won’t have your trucking business!

          • Katrael

            I don’t hold it against those people who can earn more doing less. Now, it’s apparent that most people don’t understand how money works and how businesses work so those people are worth what they earn as long as the business they work for feels that way. You haven’t missed any meals because the CEO of some corporation earns a gazillion dollars have you?. Become a CEO if you like and you to can make a gazillion dollars.

          • 5live5

            If their job is so easy Jimmy, why aren’t YOU doing it??

          • Jimmy the Greek

            NO The green backs you can spend is what you make . My gross last year was 168,000. last year after allis sead and done i had right 77,000 to live on so i made 77,000.

          • Katrael

            Then we disagree on this point. I don’t know what happened to the other 91,000 you grossed, but the fact that you didn’t get to keep it doesn’t mean that you didn’t earn it. Besides, there are all kinds of mediums of exchange in which green backs are just one of them. If you went to work for a company then you agreed to the forms of compensation they were willing to give you for your labor. All the different forms of compensation are your wages and if they weren’t acceptable then you should have gone somewhere else until you found what you liked.

          • Jimmy the Greek

            Fuel , Ins , Road use taxes , heavy use tax , repears, tires , ect rigs do not run cheap , i am luckey to get 7 mpg ,

          • 5live5

            Jimmy, Were you forced to work there? you had a choice to take the job or move on. I worked the assembly line in a UAW shop. I saw some damn good workers, but I saw about 10% that were slackers that were protected by the union and they knew it. since they voted with the union at ALL times, they were protected to a rate higher than a lot of people that gave a good days work for their pay. ALL of them are paid to work and that is EXACTLY what they should be doing. I can honestly say I always gave my employer an hours work for an hours pay.

          • Jimmy the Greek

            Not my kind of work , I spot welded in under body , When it got to me all it was , was the floor pan fire wall and the windsheld posts , 52 cars per Hr we made cady’s an big olds . linden N J

          • 5live5

            Jimmy,
            My dad worked for stubnitz n green as a tool and die welder and a jig and fixture welder. He could weld ANYTHING weldable. Towards the end in the late seventies wage and benefits he probably made 35 to 38 bucks an hour. I would be willing to bet that it would be real close to $50 an hour with his benefits now. After all, that was close to 35 years ago. He was also a steward for the union who believed if you were wrong, it didn’t mean a thing whether you were company or worker, you were wrong. He only had two cases go to national level and they were settled just the way he thought!

          • 5live5

            Jimmy, I had a green 71 mustang six cylinder three speed that was a damn good car. you couldn’t run it into the ground. the 73 dodge dart was another. I even owned a 71 corvette. That said, one of the best cars I owned was a 95 Pontiac Transport van. It gave me 29 miles to the gallon on the open road and was very comfortable to drive. I have a 2005 town and country that is ten years newer gets only 25 miles to the gallon is crap to sit in and even though I washed it at least once a month, undercarriage and all, is rusting out! The gasket on top of the gas tank that seals the pump rusted completely away and the tank started leaking. now I get a customer recall notice about the airbag sensor possibly going bad.

          • Jimmy the Greek

            I don’t cair about MPG i want High HP and tons of tork , i judge a car on how fast it can get to 100mph off the red light , I put over 5,000. in go fast work into a motorcycle motor .

          • 5live5

            No fault of the worker Jimmy? Have you ever hit a weld off a little and even though you know its a bad part, you were busy so you let it go through in hopes that it wouldn’t be in the 20% they examine?? I’ve seen that, taps broke off in threaded holes, Even burn through on welds. See jimmy, I’m college trained certified welder in arc, mig , tig, and submerged arc. I had a kid try to screw me by stamping my sign on the parts he screwed up so I changed an ampersand punch to something he couldn’t copy. I never got blamed for his scrap again.

          • Katrael

            5live5, I don’t know if you know your post concerning your experience with a fellow welder ended up coming to me but your post brings something to mind.

            Have you ever heard of the

            Pareto principle?
            It says that 80% of the effects comes from 20% of the causes. I like to believe that this applies to workers as well. 20% do 80% of the work while the other 80% of the workers do only 20% of the work. It sounds like you might just be one of the 20% that does 80% of the work?

          • 5live5

            Jimmy, I used to inspect the material that came into our shop before acceptance. They had tolerances of +/- .02.
            We got a truckload of sheet stock that was .08 too thin. I told my boss about it and his exact words were “well we are on a deadline to deliver, run it and if it doesn’t pass they will send it back and we will have a little more time to get it to them”! I risked my job and went to the plant manager about it. He said REJECT IT!!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Start your own company, Jimmy, and show us peons how it’s done.

          • Jimmy the Greek

            I am in trucking I have my own opeating athorty Not leased to a carrier Since 1990,

          • 5live5

            From the workers and the owners BOTH!

          • Katrael

            Then I take it that we agree about who suffers with the greed disease? However, I don’t believe that everybody suffers from it but I do feel that greed is spread pretty evenly throughout the population as a whole.

        • Bill

          Bla Bla Bla, more Marxist BS

        • Alan

          Selfish baby-boomers KG??? First off, those baby-boomers you mentioned have paid into that social security plan their entire working lives. So they are not being given anything you fool! They are collecting what is owed them, no different really than drawing money from one’s savings account. But I guess the way you see it you and your ilk are entitled to “take” money from the accounts of others as well. “Community property”, right? Get real!

          • KG

            Yes, the ones who have prevented the next generation of workers from advancing because of your need for more security and more physical possessions. Social Security is NOT a ‘retirement’ plan. It is actually INSURANCE for in case you are destitute upon retiring. And as a ‘pay as you go’ system works, you were paying for the retirees that were already retired, That’s why your children need good paying jobs so THEY can pay lots of taxes to pay for our retirement.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Indeed, it is the Children who will suffer from the immoral Social Security system that Socialists like KGB have foisted on us.
            http://mises.org/daily/5658/Is-Social-Security-a-Ponzi-Scheme

          • KG

            Suffer? Wheres the ‘suffering’ in doing your duty as a citizen?

            Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society.
            -Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.

            But since you are so ‘moral’, you need no society, right?

            Do you know what civilized people call people like you?

            misanthropic psychopaths

          • Alan

            Keep peddling the nonsense KG! The social security system was a Ponzi scheme from the time of it’s inception. It was arranged so as to take, by force, profits from workers to line the pockets of elite causes. If those same workers had been allowed to bank or invest those profits from the time they began their journey through the system they might actually have a comfortable nest egg set aside for which to retire. And don’t worry about my children KG. They are responsible adults “earning” their wages through hard work. As for material belongings, well I have very little use for such things. I have little and what I do have I don’t expect anyone else to foot the bill for. I believe in being self-reliant KG, not owned by the government.

          • KG

            quote: If those same workers had been allowed to bank or invest those profits from the time they began their journey through the system they might actually have a comfortable nest egg set aside for which to retire.

            Not anymore. Did they ‘invest’ in the stockmarket? Or maybe Real Estate? Or how about Moneymarket Accounts? That’s OK. If they paid their SS taxes, they will have that just in case.

        • 5live5

          Well, KG if you made that bet with me, you would loose! I served almost 7 years and spent 18 months EARNING my degree and I worked while attending!!

          • KG

            Well, I’m glad that the taxes I payed for those nice buildings and air conditioning you enjoyed while going to school will come back in the taxes you will pay with your good job. After all, it’s only fair since I invested into you future.

          • 5live5

            Unless you were working your union job in 1968, I doubt you invested in my future. I fought in Viet Nam for my education. I EARNED it! Every CENT of it!

          • KG

            While you were smoking opium and looking at naked pictures of Ann Margret?

          • 5live5

            Never done illegal drugs. I don’t savor the thought of jail time. As far as Ann Margaret, I definitely rather look at HER than YOU! Even NOW! now you, on the other hand seem to think that’s a bad thing. Little sugar in your tank????

    • gail2011

      What are you some nut. This is 5 years of THE COMMUNIST OBAMA & HIS CZARS
      He had strangled every industry he can with his over regulations. Over 90 million people out of work isbecauseof obama. Every word out of his mouth is lies. He has done nothing to improve anything
      Conservative policies have always made businesses prosper. Smaller government less taxes & free enterprise is what has made this country great. Looks like your going get your COMMUNIST wish because until these liberal leftist Communist are stopped all voted out America’s going to be looking like DETROIT. There was no Republicans or vonservstives running DETROIT OR CHICAGO.

      • Charles Pedley

        There should be a prize for the longest-lying president except Obama would win it along with his gifted Nobel “peace was it????” prize. What a joke those Nobel prizes are. Carter once a peacemaker now a rampant liar about Israel, Obama who I agree lies every chance he gets unless it is about spreading the wealth around.

        • Jimmy the Greek

          No No No ! I think carter was crap a presadent , however he is right i israel !

        • http://personalliberty.com/ AnKa

          A Member of the Irish Parliament awards “Hypocrite of the Century” to the Liar-in-chief. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SX58vqcEU0

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Obama will be sending her a drone soon.

      • Bill

        Good analogy, Gail

    • hippybiker

      You would defend that mutt and blame it on a conservative even if he raped and strangled a Girl Scout on the White House lawn. A useful idiot is what you are.

      • KG

        It depends on what the Girl Scout was wearing at the time.

        • Jimmy the Greek

          Good One ! If JFK was in there The girl scout would be tost lol clinton to lol

          • 5live5

            The one thing I can say for JFK is at least he had better taste in women. Clinton???? “That woman” was UGLY!!! Marilyn Monroe??? BEAUTIFUL WOMAN Jackie? . BEAUTIFUL WOMAN!!
            Hitlary??? YUCKKK!!!

    • LiaW

      Of course, all the leaches feeding at the government trough aren’t responsible for anything, are they? When only 47% of the country is working and you have over 50% of the country on welfare, you CANNOT blame CAPITALISM!!!! your attitude is what has wrecked this country.

    • Charles Pedley

      Actually you are right. It was the greed of unionized shops who wanted extreme wages that created competition from offshore. Now we are reaping in unemployment what those unionized shops with big paychecks created.

      • KG

        Germany has 100% union representation, but still have their automobile industry – explain that.

        • Don 2

          Detroit – defend that.

        • Ried

          Germany is a little bit smarter than democrats.

          • Jimmy the Greek

            A lot smarter ! If Germany had won WW-2 today Europe would have order and not be the multicultul crap pit it had turned into today ,

          • Ried

            No, only a bit smarter than democrats.. And I would not want to see Germany goose-stepping under whichever Fascist-Socialist that might have replaced Hitler.

          • Jimmy the Greek

            A Fascist is not a socialist ! A socislist is a lefty -liberal – comuist , A fascist or in the case of germany a national socialist , was a far right wing goverment , they killed comunist when ever they got one !

          • 5live5

            They killed a lot of innocent people as well Jimmy. Including quite a few GREEKS!

          • Jimmy the Greek

            I lot of greeks are commiust , if i were in greece today i would be with GOLDEN DAWN party

        • Charles Pedley

          Your opinion is NOT according to the facts. This site says ONLY 1/5th unions . http://www.worker-participation.eu/National-Industrial-Relations/Countries/Germany/Trade-Unions
          So now we know that to make a point you will simply try to bluff your way through with no facts to back you up. That sounds like most liberals. No facts, just acts.

        • Bill

          Kg
          It is because they promote the private sector. I am all for private sector unions because they have to compete in the marketplace. But you need a strong marketplace that is encouraged by the govt, not penalized

        • 5live5

          Privately owned or GOVERNMENT owned??

        • Don 2

          As Michael Maibach, president and chief executive of the European American Business Council puts it, union-management relations in the U.S. are “adversarial.” wheras in Germany they’re “collaborative.”
          The salient difference, according to Kevin C. Brown, is that in Germany, the automakers operate within an environment that precludes a race to the bottom, in the U.S., they operate within an environment that encourages such a race.

      • Jimmy the Greek

        You cant put it on unions. the outfit i work out of is a bunch of texas rednecks anti union to the core , A new redneck took over the compiney 18 mo ago rased our rates so high that one week my check hit $7,000.00 , Guess what ? we lost a lot of our busness .

    • chocopot

      What hallucinogens are you taking? You need to stop.

      • Jimmy the Greek

        he is right on this , most of the time i don’t go along with KG , However this morning he is spot on !

        • chocopot

          I will give it to you that our problems did not start the day Obozo came to the White House, but it was primarily those of a like mind with him, the so-called Progressives, who have done inestimable damge to this nation. Do not misunderstand me – I have no love for the Republicans, and there is plenty of fault to lay at their feet, but it is the Democrats, or the nouveau CPUSA as I call them, who bear most of the blame for our current situation. And Obozo has doubled down on all of it to ensure there is no country left by the time he gets done with us.

    • Ried

      Decline of the US was first accelerated by LBJ, RMN, and Jimmy Carter. This has been falling for about 50 years. The US has not had a conservative president since Calvin Coolidge. Stop spreading distorted information.

    • Jimmy the Greek

      I well give you that one KG , As i allways say Capitalism and Comunism are two sides of the same coin and the two need to be put to rest !

      • 5live5

        do away with capitalism in this country and see how long your business lasts!

    • Vigilant

      American workers must really be dumb by your reckoning. If they are being bled of their gains, one would expect union membership to be up, wouldn’t one? Well, guess what? It ain’t up, it’s down.

    • Bill

      KG
      What a bunch of communist crap. Your policies were implemented in Detroit and we know what happened there. So now you are making up stories to about who to blame when it is really you and your likeminded buddies

    • 5live5

      Yes, but the revolutions of the big wheel have increased in speed since Obambam came into office!!

  • 4lifeandfreedom

    The leader in control is allowed to be there by our Ultimate Leader, and we must remember that, as we realize the many wakeup calls He has given us.

  • SickofObama

    I’ll be super generous to Obama! Give him the choice of going to prison for life or go to trial for his crimes! It is time that the rest of us are allowed to restore what he has ruined of this once great nation. He probably should choose the first option.

    • chocopot

      You are far too generous. I want to see a public execution for treason.

    • Jimmy the Greek

      just for the record , I am not a obomoa fan ,have never voted for a dumbacrat . however you cant dump this bag of crap only on the dumacrats and obozo . I my self think the worse thing that happend to this country was LBJ , Then the free trading global people realy screwed up this nation , We need to get out of all the free trade deals go back to taxing the hell out of all inports so is becoms cheaper to make the things we need right here in the usa , and the bush famley did us no favors or the actor that plwed the part of a prez for eight years before them .

  • LiaW

    Yep! Damocraps really know what they are doing. Detroit has been under their free loading rule since 1962 and you see the resxults. And rumor has it that the class damocrap city of Chicago is next. These blood suckers won’t be happy until they are flying the flag of the Russia…idiots can’t figure out that even Russia and China gave up on communism..brain dead!!!

    • FreedomFighter

      A picture is worth 1000 words…Snake Oil Saleshttp://standeyo.com/NEWS/13_Pics_of_Day/130808.pic.of.day.b.html
      Laus DeoSemper FI

      • 5live5

        Freedom, you NAILED him with THAT one!!!! I know it’s probably not yours but you put it HERE! wish I could give you three ups!!!

  • Al Chemist

    “If Obama had a son, it would be Travon Martin.”
    “If Obama had a city, it would be Detroit.”
    “If Obama had a country, it would be Cuba.”
    …anon

    Don’t worry. With 3 1/2 years left of Obama and his administration, this ‘once upon a time’ Republic will be like Cuba, most cities will resemble Detroit, and a lot of Travon Martins will roam the streets.

    • Bill

      Al,
      That is a good argument in favor of our 2nd amendment rights. A good example is the Korean community in the LA riots. The police left them and the rioters were burning their community. They used armed vigilance to save their community

  • vietnamvet1971

    Obama may not be the smartest president that his Cult Followers believe he is, but he has stayed at a Holiday Inn Express (suppose to make you smart for a Day) and holds his press conferences on Jay Leno and the other Funny Boy Shows he likes to think he is a Funny man too, but the JOKE is on him.

    • Don 2

      Actually, I think the joke is on the American people. It’s called “Political Jihad.”

    • 5live5

      1971, where were you in that tropical paradise?? highlands or delta? I was there 70 n 71 myself.

      • vietnamvet1971

        @ An Khe central highlands, First Field Force 10th Cavalry.

  • Warrior

    To me it resembles the period when the hienas and vultures (public sector) finally show up to finish off the carcass (private sector).

    • Bill

      That is a good analogy, Warrior
      The private sector is the goose that lays the golden eggs. Instead of creating more geese to lay more golden eggs, they are eating the ones that do

  • Karolyn

    Such a horrible way to make a living – capitalizing on negativity and helping to bring about even more.

    • red neck

      I think that you have it wrong Karolyn…. I believe the message is one that should be heard from coast to coast even then the obama supporters will continue to keep their heads buried up the king arse…. The only way to turn this country around is to rid itself of this destructive Communist / Marxist community organizer…. Face the facts Karolyn… obama is the worst thing that has ever happened to America!!!!

    • Vigilant

      The world does not live in the hippy New Age idealism you have constructed for yourself. Stats are stats, and when they bode ill you don’t bury your head in the sand.

      • Alex

        So, Vigilant, despite your Cro-Magnon approach to most things, you do accept now the overwhelming body evidence which shows with absolute clarity that not only is the Earth heating dangerously, but that mankind is greatly responsible?

        Good to see…

        • Vigilant

          So, mark, despite your cognitive inability to follow the thread of the article, you do accept now the Alinsky technique of gratuitously attempting to change the subject?

        • Bill

          Alex,
          You have been sold a bill of goods. And the salesmanship was so sophisticated that you believe it like a religion. You have been trained very well.

      • Karolyn

        It’s not about burying one’s head in the sand, Vigilant, it’s about capitalizing on whatever good there is and working TOGETHER to make it better. The law of attraction is universal. You attract what you believe. Why do you think the people of Africa are poor and downtrodden? It’s because they accept it and believe that’s just the way it is. That is collective consciousness. It has been proven that when a group of people pray for someone in ill health, it does help. Thoughts are energy, and energy never dies. It is better to be FOR what you want than AGAINST what you don’t want – focusing energy on what is wanted rather than what is not wanted. Bottom line is negativity begets negativity. And that’s the truth!

        • Vigilant

          You’d make a great quantum physicist. While there is evidence that what you say is true, it would take the mass of humanity on earth thinking the same way to make it effective.

          The only ones who are attempting thought control are the globalists, and their aims are not benevolent.

        • Don 2

          Sounds like “Hope & Change” to me. Hoping never solved anything. Only action gets results.

          • Karolyn

            Absolutely right. People need to seize their power.

          • Don 2

            Ah! How about that, you’re a student of Saul Alinsky.

          • John H. Holliday D.D.S.

            Also sounds like surreptitiously coerced collective consciousness or stealth thought control or stealth mind control in some of the Tyrannical Brainwashing Totalitarian Big Brother Communist/Marxist/Stalinist/Socialist worker’s party slave nations.

        • S.C.Murf

          The people of Africa are poor and down trodden because the rulers of the world want them that way it’s called population control. Big K you have to take off the rose colored glasses and look at the world and the people for the evilness that is here. satan was put on this earth long before man was and he has had TIME to plan his agenda and then get man to carry it out.

          up the hill
          airborne

          • Karolyn

            So you’re taking the responsibility of their plight out of the hands of the people?

        • 5live5

          Well there MIGHT be a LITTLE blame to be placed on their government and the “freedom” fighters that wander their country like ants!

    • Bill

      It is just common sense, Karolyn
      When you see a storm coming, take shelter

      • 5live5

        bill, Karolyn is like Albert E. in ONE way. They say he was one of the smartest people in the world but he didn’t have the sense to come out of the rain! I’ll let you decide what way she is like him!!

    • 5live5

      Hey, obambam’s gotta make a living some how!!LOL!
      What? You say Karolyn wasn’t talking about HIM??? I’ll be d@mned!!!

  • Jim B

    Obama’s economy has kept us in a great recession, and a growing number of government welfare and entitlement participants continues to consume our nation’s wealth and pride, middle class is disappearing at an alarming rate. Ergo… we remain stationary in order to survive on limited resources. Our economic number now resemble a third world nation… Hope and Change! Illiteracy has led to a nation of Serfs who have no other choice but to vote for the ones who will give them the most free stuff in order to sustain their meager existence. Our government has consumed our nation and will continue to do so until it all looks like Detroit. Serfdom is our new nation, zombies our new majority.

    • Bill

      Good analogy, Jim B
      What built this nation, and all of the wealth we enjoy today, is rugged individualism, free thinking, hard work and risk taking. Those same characteristics are frowned upon by our government and not encouraged in the schools.
      Such a shame.

      • 5live5

        Why, Everybody IS a winner, right??? Oh crap!!

  • Karolyn

    Well, housing sales sure are up, and I see a hell of a lot of new cars around here even in this economically depressed area where I live. It’s too bad some people only see everything as bad.
    Although Kiplinger’s outlook is not necessarily glowing, at least impartial outlooks give credit where credit is due and temper the bad with the good.

    http://www.kiplinger.com/tool/business/T019-S000-kiplinger-s-economic-outlooks/index.php

    • Vigilant

      “Does any of this change the picture of an economy that suffered deep recession from December 2007 to June 2009 and that is recovering anemically since then? No, the pattern is unchanged. This remains the slowest-paced rebound since World War II.”

      And that, Dear Karolyn, is from the self same report to which you linked.

      • Karolyn

        I am well aware of what it says, Vig. I’m sure you get my point, though.

        • Vigilant

          Your point, as you perennially assert, is that the glass is half full. The preponderance of bad stats is so overwhelming that the good is ineffective in tempering the bad.

          The glass is neither half empty nor half full. It 50% water and 50% air.

          • Average_Joe56

            Or, as I like to say…the glass is always full.
            ;)

          • 5live5

            Vig, make that HOT air from Obambam’s BS. almost 98% of the jobs added this year were low paying part time jobs. not much tax money coming in from those to offset all those freebies Obambam’s admin is handing out.

          • Vigilant

            Good point.

    • 1baronrichsnot1

      Housing sales are repos, nothing new yet, marked down to less than 1/2 of replacement. Yep these are counted, even when the original sale was counted, buyer couldn’t pay, repossessed then sold again, some 3 times. Yep, sales are up. New cars you see are lease cars. makes sense, exept at $3.90 per gal. 12,000 miles will cost a bunch. $2500 for med care that doesn’t exist until 2014? Temper this, neither good or bad, just is and that’s a fact! We are surely and positively sinking!

      • Karolyn

        From what I’ve heard, there are not enough houses to fill the need. The houses around here selling are not repos, and my realtor friend is selling a couple every month.

        • Bill

          Karolyn,
          You are right, the housing market is up. What you are not seeing is a new housing bubble being created and will crash again. Although, real estate is geographically specific. One area will do well and one area will not.
          Housing prices are directly related to incomes and what you is take the median income of your area and see if it could buy the median price.
          I live in an area of an $85,000 median income with a $400,000 median price. That works. One of my neighboring cities has a $60,000 median income with a $600,000 median home price. That does not work.
          Also watch the rate of appreciation. Some areas are seeing appreciation rates of 20-30% in the last year. No market can go up that fast and sustain itself.
          So, just because houses are selling does not mean the market is healthy. It all depends on the numbers

    • hungry4food

      Personal Incomes are not up and in fact they are depressing downward with more and more working class losing full time work being moved to part time .

      If the Federal Reserve capital expansion tricks and a little more credit being expanded were not being done today the collapse would have already had the DOW back at 6500 again . Nothing has changed but the debt is way way bigger .

    • Bill

      Well, I guess ignorance is bliss

    • Vis Fac

      Well Karolyn: How many of those “New Cars” are Asian? You know the pilfered technology Asians sell to dumb Americans? You know the ones where the profits are sent offshore supporting another country’s economy.
      How many of those house sales are from banks or investors that have been foreclosed on?
      It’s easy to manipulate statistics to make you look good or promote your agenda, omission of fact is a geed tactic to do so. If you truly want to know how the economy is doing I suggest to start looking at local strip malls and notice all the vacant shops.
      Better yet stop by and speak with the owner for he or she is sure to be there he or she will provide you with an honest earful.I am nor talking about a chain store either (many of them have downsized)
      Our economy is in the toilet it will only get worse. When was the last time a poor man gave anyone a job?

      • Karolyn

        I actually do ask small business owners how business is when I go in. Just yesterday I got a glowing report from an antique shop owner and know another who is doing quite well. This is quite the opposite of last year, especially at this time of the year. I was a poor antique shop owner 9 years ago and did employ one person.

    • 5live5

      Yeah and most of those housing sales were from Foreclosures and sold at BELOW market value. somebody lost their house and most likely everything else because of them. Last week there was about 35 foreclosure sales in my local paper, The Newsherald. Yup the housing market is BOOMING!

      • Karolyn

        Where do you live? Of course, I know that different parts of the country have different things going on.

        • 5live5

          Karolyn, I live about 8 miles east of Cleveland Ohio. Today there were 108 homes listed for either foreclosure or being forced to sell for back taxes! And yes the realtors ARE selling homes after speculating flippers come in and make a small profit from them. They still sell below market value. The housing market as a whole is improving in sales but the value is FAR down in just about all areas. There are also people that are selling out of desperation trying to salvage SOMETHING before they lose all!

          • Karolyn

            Gee, I guess SC is in better shape than we even thought. It’s not flippers who are buying houses here but retirees and families. Of course, home prices here have been consistently low. The recession did not change that. I am 50 miles sw of Charlotte, and that city is doing very well, with a strong housing market.

  • Karolyn

    Very interesting piece regarding America and education and the lack of support for it.

    http://iwastesomuchtime.com/on/?i=70585

    • Vis Fac

      Karolyn: This would be fine if out tax dollars actually went to educating our children. The unfortunate thing here as opposed to Sweden, the NEA has ruined the education system. Instead of providing a well rounded “quality” education they are brainwashing students with liberal propaganda, eliminated creative thinking, and NOT teaching what is necessary to exist in society. Schools no longer teach cursive and creative writing. Math skills are diminished to accommodate the indolent History and government are casualties as well replaced by Political Correctness and Zero Tolerance. School no longer prepares our children for entry into society instead school produces functionally illiterate that are thrust upon society to take care of. Schools are no longer educational institutions they are liberal indoctrination camps. By my thinking schools stopped providing a quality education in 1970. Standards have steadily lowered to accommodate immigrants and the indolent. Why do you think the hypocritical politicians and Hollywierd morons send “THEIR” children to PRIVATE schools?

      • Karolyn

        I think you’re wrong about math. From what I’ve heard from parents, kids are getting algebra in grammar school. Because of the lack of people proficient in science and math, schools are starting to push them more.

        • TheOriginalDaveH
        • 5live5

          I saw a report the other day that said we had fallen in math to like seventh of the industrialized nations. The problem is not WHAT they teach, its HOW they teach it. They teach it to the standardized tests so the kids can pass that. Some of these kids get out in the field without a calculator and they’re lost in space!! Can’t figure on paper and don’t even hand them slide rule!

  • mark

    No, I think I will just say “goodbye” to you, Mr. Root. The U.S. economy will be around for hundreds of years after both you and I are gone. I also notice how you totally exonerate Corporate America, your masters, for any culpability in our present economy – and the widening income and wealth gaps in America over the past 35 – not 5 years. How convenient. I love this typically distorted gem of your: “Yet America under Obama now has more debt than every country in the European Union” This is of course because our economy even today with its slow recovery from a deep recession is larger than all of Europe’s economies combined – i.e. nearly $17 billion for the U.S. versus $13 trillion for Europe. We all have access to the internet today and official government statistics, Mr. Root, and can quickly expose your distortions.

    • red neck

      Your mistake is trusting the government for your source of information!!!!
      This would liken itself to trusting the state ran media for your source of news!!!!!

      • Bill

        Red,
        It’s like trusting the fox to give you the news when you are a hen in the henhouse

        • Charles Pedley

          Actually that is why Fox is the most trusted news source. If you believe all the crap about them on the internet supplied by their jealous competitors, they you my sorry man are much less wise. I dare you to watch only Fox News for a week and you too will probably see why they are better!

          • 5live5

            I got GOOD news today..Joy Berhar is leaving The View!!! If I never see her again, it will be too soon!

      • 5live5

        red neck, like I said, “Figures don’t lie but liars figure”!!!!

    • 1baronrichsnot1

      Mark, your nos. are wrong, GDP in america is now 121/2 trillion, down is manufacturing, down is sales of everything, down is jobs, down is medical care, we are wondering what is holding us together? The federal reserve, printing mark, printing, is all that is holding the economy even here at this weak point. This article is pretty darn accurate, but time, well can’t guess a date, It will be when loss of faith in gov’t and the dollar occur. Hey, that’s now isn’t it?

    • Average_Joe56

      Mark,
      You had me at “goodbye”…why did you have to ruin a good thing by rambling on?
      Some people just don’t know when to quit….

    • Ried

      Correct, the US “economy” will still be around . . . in a dumpster! Runaway debt will put it there, and until that changes the US economy will be depressed.

      • Vis Fac

        I don’t think so, I think we will return to the barter system until we do have a responsible and stable government.
        Semper-Fi

    • Bill

      Mark,
      We will all be so sad to see you go, but, good riddance. While you are at it why don’t you take some of these other communists with you.

      • Vis Fac

        I won’t; one less idiot to contend with!!!
        Semper-Fi

        • Vigilant

          Unfortunately, he’s only saying goodbye to Mr. Root. It’s sure as sh*t that he’ll stick around to regale us with his ignorance for a long time to come.

    • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

      Yet there is a kernel of truth in what “mark” (sic) says. If he had mentioned “Corporatist America” he would have been more correct and he does miss the point that Obama is more their servant than in any way I could imagine that Mr. Root would be.

      If Obama has any power to destroy the U.S. economy, then he gets it from “standing on the shoulders of giants” of Socialists, Fascists and other Corporatist puppets that have served in the same capacity as he all the way at least back to the Lincoln administration, if not further.

      The downfall of the American Constitutional Republic has either been a constantly twirling “Comedy-of-Errors,” with one stupid decision leading into another stupid decision, or a deliberate conspiracy to enslave the American people and then the people of the world.

      The worst part about Obama is his constant insistence that he is trying to help the “little people…”

      http://olgreyghost.blogspot.com/2013/02/president-obama-leads-mob-to-hang-young.html

      If he truly believes what he says then he is an idiot, but if he really knows what he is proposing will really do if it is implemented, then he is truly evil…

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Ghost says — “The downfall of the American Constitutional Republic has either been a constantly twirling “Comedy-of-Errors,” with one stupid decision leading into another stupid decision, or a deliberate conspiracy to enslave the American people and then the people of the world”.

        I think more likely is that the Leaders, by and large, are just looking out for their own selfish interests. And many of them are psychopaths:
        http://www.whale.to/b/callahan1.html

        • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

          “I think more likely is that the Leaders, by and large, are just looking out for their own selfish interests.”

          You’re just adding specificity to what I originally said, but, yes, you are correct, sir.

          “And many of them are psychopaths…”

          From my academic background in Criminology I think the the more correct diagnosis would be “sociopaths,” but you’re close enough for the argument at hand.

          I have never been one to attribute an event to the workings of a sinister conspiracy that could not be more easily explained as a result of common stupidity, particularly after everyone involved had been “Scared Stupid” (i.e. 9/11 > PATRIOT Act, etc.). But the last decade or so has got me to wondering about my position on that point…

          • TheOriginalDaveH
          • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

            I didn’t mean to imply you were wrong since there is so much overlap between the two conditions so maybe I should have said “applicable” in place of “correct.” The usual lines of demarcation between the two was that the psychopath did things more injurious to himself where the sociopath did things more injurious to others, but the article you reference reverses that. Oh, well.

            Keep up the great work as liberty is always worth defending…

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I have a psychopathic brother, so I know the character traits well.

          • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

            You have my sympathy and empathy as I have a few of both in my extended family, too…

    • Charles Pedley

      When you have over 40% of your population not producing any goods or services you end up like Greece. Is it corporate greed or low information voter greed to keep present benefits when the government cannot afford them. Corporate America provides jobs for people. That definitely doesn’t need absolving. It needs praising! You should be happy that Apple has done so well and other companies. If they DO NOT do well, you have an even lower tax base to provide all those entitlements to those who do not work. Is it political greed when the government has the best pensions and benefits of any group or company? Of course. Better talk to Obama and have him cut back all benefits to government employees and elected officials. That would set a fine example for others to do the same. If you really don’t like companies, Mark, go to Greece where they don’t have any and see how it feels. Tourism and tomatoes are not enough diversity to keep a country going.

  • Louis Lemieux

    “America under Obama now has more debt than every country in the European Union”. The European Union is more socialist than the U.S. Does that mean we need to catch-up?
    Anyone who has traveled enough will see that most poor people of the U.S. are “rich” compared to the poor of most other countries.

    • red neck

      “most poor people of the U.S. are “rich” compared to the poor of most other countries”…
      You are correct and that is why obama wants to lower the U.S. to those “other” countries standards….

    • Vigilant

      “The European Union is more socialist than the U.S. Does that mean we need to catch-up?”

      Discounting the snide flippancy of the comment, yes, by all means, let’s become Greece at the earliest opportunity.

      • Louis Lemieux

        …or become Norway that has universal, socialized health care, a universal socialized pension system, and universal socialized education. There are virtually no private schools or private hospitals in the entire country. Financially they’re much better off we are.

        • Vigilant

          Norway has a 30.3% debt to GDP ratio. compared to 73.6% for the US.

          You find a way to decrease this ratio and you may have something to talk about. Of course, our debt will exceed 100% soon, thanks to socialism and its deleterious effects on the economy.

          Tell us how you’d get us there, Mr. Guru.

          • 5live5

            It’s a little bit SMALLER as well!!

        • Charles Pedley

          And the reason is their vast resources compared to their small population. See http://www.indexmundi.com/norway/economy_profile.html
          A small country that is rich in resources can afford the luxuries mentioned above. The U.S. cannot.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Thanks for that, Charles. I have added it to my ammunition pile.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Norway has a big boost from their Petro Industry, and they aren’t as Socialistic as Louis thinks:
          http://www.heritage.org/index/country/norway
          In fact, Norway exceeds the US in 5 important categories of Economic Freedom (Property Rights, Freedom from Corruption, Business Freedom, Monetary Freedom, and Trade Freedom):
          http://www.heritage.org/index/country/unitedstates

          And as I’ve lectured Louis before, you can’t just cherry-pick from the Socialist countries of Europe to make a point. Most of the other European countries have a much lower GDP per Capita on a PPP basis than the US.
          Only Luxembourg, Norway, and Switzerland exceed the US in GDP per Capita on a PPP basis:
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

          • Louis Lemieux

            That’s exactly what I would like for the U.S.= what I mentioned plus what you are saying. The right proportion of socialism and capitalism.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            There is no “right proportion” of Socialism, Louis. It is a negatively-productive system which can only exist as an immoral parasite on Capitalists.
            With Free Markets and Strict Property Rights (Capitalism) we would be so prosperous that there would be plenty of money for good people to provide charity for those who suffer misfortune through no fault of their own.
            The only people without jobs would be those who just chose not to work.
            Imagine putting all those Government parasites back to doing productive work instead of them Spending 40% of our GDP and interfering with the Productivity of others.

        • Vigilant

          “There are virtually no private schools or private hospitals in the entire country. ”

          Only a confirmed statist would consider that a plus.

        • smilee

          Norway was never below 3 1/2% unemployment and is in a building boom and was all through the deep recession unlike us and so many of their neighbors. I Was there a large part of the summer of 2011, they all have living wages and you see no poverty and a very low crime rate. Norway has been rated the number one best country to live in for most recent years and never lower than second and always first for women and they are very highly respected over the. Your government reminds us of a bunch of kindergarten kids that only like to fight.as one of my relatives over there put it.

    • Don 2

      Under socialism, as the rich become poorer, so do the poor become poorer.

      • Charles Pedley

        IN more than one way. Poor in that many do not know how to work or even try menial hard jobs. Why? They make enough from the government that there is no motivation.

    • Bill

      Louis,
      So, does that justify our debt. That was a pretty dumb statement

      • Louis Lemieux

        Does socialism justify the lower debt in the EU than in the US?

        • Vigilant

          Quit looking naively at the whole numbers and inspect the public debt to GDP ratio.

          Italy and Portugal, over 120%. Greece, over 160%. USA, 74%. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt

          P.S. Socialism justifies nothing but failure, always has, always will.

          • Charles Pedley

            It is such an easy principle to grasp. Compare a country to a family. If the family is deeply in debt they need to start cutting back expenses and pay off debts. You cut non-essentials. Essentials would be food, housing, utilities, transportation for work. After that everything can be eliminated. Kill cable TV. Kill going out etc. until all debt is paid off. What does the Obama government do? Increase the “benefits” to those who do not produce goods and services and makes no effort to cut debt. Instead wants to raise taxes so companies will move offshore and workers will make less and therefore spend less lowering the economic output even more. It’s a downward spiral just like Greece until someone gets in the White House who knows something about economics and business.

          • Louis Lemieux

            It all depends. A family can also decide to borrow, go in debt and start a successful business paying its debt and looking forward to a bright future.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Are you Karolyn’s husband, Louis?

          • Louis Lemieux

            No, I’m not but for the little bit I know of her she’s a real nice lady.
            I have to leave and it was nice exchanging with you.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            It depends on your point of view, Louis. She is a Liberal Progressive, and thus engages (through Government as her proxy) in taking other peoples’ money against their will. I don’t consider that being nice.
            http://mises.org/daily/4125

          • http://personalliberty.com/ AnKa

            I consider that being a THEFT. Or the Banking account BURGLARY.

          • Vigilant

            “…paying its debt…” You will be sure to let us know when the US begins doing that?

          • Louis Lemieux

            No country is 100% capitalist.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            But what has that got to do with the price of tea in China, Louis?

          • Louis Lemieux

            So how much socialism according to you would be Ideal for a country? None at all? 100% capitalist?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Do you really need to ask that, Louis?
            I tell you repeatedly that Socialism is negatively-productive. Why in the world would you think I’d advocate any at all? Note that Capitalism does not preclude charity in any way, shape, or form. We would likely have copious amounts of charity as people became more prosperous. People are, by and large, very charitable creatures.
            The difference would be that they are giving away their own money, NOT other peoples’ money like the Liberal Progressives do.

          • Vigilant

            That’s called “a very weak rejoinder.”

            Do you have a point to make?

          • Louis Lemieux

            Yes, my point is I don’t think a 100% capitalist country can exist.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Probably not for long because Leaders always strive for more Power, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t strive for perfection.

          • Dave

            because the “free” market is moral and always does the right thing eh DaveH8? And of course you have a mises link that illustrated when this has worked in the age of industialization, corporatization and globalization.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No, Dave, there will always be immoral people like you in any system. But with Free Markets, people can choose not to deal with people like you.
            Dave says — “And of course you have a mises link that illustrated when this has worked in the age of industialization, corporatization and globalization”.
            Why all the qualifiers, Dave? Have we ever had perfection? Does that mean we shouldn’t strive for it?
            And how can you say Free Markets haven’t worked when in other comments you have claimed they have never existed? Isn’t that an Oxymoron?
            What else can we expect from a rabid Liberal Progressive like yourself, Dave?

          • Average_Joe56

            I’m not sure about the “oxy”, but Dave definitely has the moron part…down pat….

          • Dave

            Ad Hominem after ad hominem… you know as well as I do…that the system you “strive” for is not possible.
            When you convince China, Russia, the EU countries, Japan, South American countries, Asian countries, African countries to give up national soveriegnty and their currency, then we can talk about your theories.
            Until such time your theories mean as much as Mises in the academic world. Nothing… Mises has no accreditation and you have no credibility with this subject.
            So enjoy living off the services that the Gov provides you in retirment.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Does it upset you, whiny little Liberal Progressive, when I bring a gun to your gunfight?
            Those other countries will be the ones who suffer, not us, if we adopt sound economic principles.
            Your conjecture is meaningless, Dave.
            Those people who want to learn what Trolls like Dave don’t want you to learn, should read this:
            http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          No doubt, Wayne is talking in absolute terms. In Relative Terms (per GDP) many of the European Countries have higher debt than ours:
          Debt as a percentage of GDP:
          US Debt (percentage of GDP) — 113%.
          Greece — 180%.
          Ireland — 118%.
          Italy — 127%.
          Portugal — 123%.
          It’s interesting to note that Spain (one of the so-called PIIGS countries) actually has lower debt than the US as a percentage of GDP (100%):
          http://www.gfmag.com/component/content/article/119-economic-data/12370-public-debt-percentage-gdp.html#axzz27hlN7j6h

          • Vigilant

            Stole my thunder Dave! I didn’t see your posting until after I finished mine. (:-)

          • Louis Lemieux

            I suppose we could do the same with the different debts of all the 50 states of the U.S.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Your point?

          • Louis Lemieux

            Our 50 states have different state debt level just like you’ve pointed out for European countries. That’s all.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      It takes time, Louis, to deplete that assets that were built up under Capitalism. It’s interesting that you would talk about the poor in “most other countries” when the facts are that 94% of the other countries in the World are even MORE Socialistic than the US is:
      http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

      Of course, you won’t get the irony in your ignorant statement.

    • Charles Pedley

      Yes at the taxpayers expense! Same in Canada. There were families I taught who were on welfare who went to Florida. I could not afford to go until I retired.

  • 1baronrichsnot1

    Well, will we get obama care or not! When everybody has to pay the $2500 per year for Let’s see “nothing” yeah, that’s it, except not everybody is paying, not the gov’t employees, not the unions, not the staffers, not the muslims, not the gov’t contractors, “What happend to equal protection under the law?” You know the 5th amendment? I think it’s time to quit paying taxes altogether. If it’s not fair, then we all should just not participate!

    • Vis Fac

      You shouldn’t because we don’t have money we have worthless scrip. However the point of income tax is no longer to support government but a matter of control. All you need do is open your eyes to see the usurpation of our constitutional rights.

      Police and the IRS will think nothing of assaulting (in masse) those they “think” might be guilty of tax evasion. They will storm SWAT style unannounced using fear as a weapon of intimidation. Some freedom huh?
      We all know the IRS and police answer to no one and have
      Carte Blanche to carry out their terrorism on the American people. Unless people are willing to stand up it will only get worse. I was at one time guilty of condemning those “crazy” survivalist militias that are reported by lame stream media, however they are not looking as crazy to me now.

      • Katrael

        Of what you speak there is no doubt: the police and IRS have carte blanche to do as they are instructed resorting to any methods they desire to use.

        Can the survivalists survive? Some can, many won’t, but in the end tyranny will end.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          Don’t know about that, Katrael. With the vast ignorance that the PTBs have successfully instilled with their Propaganda outlets (Public Schools, MSM, etc.), Freedom is going to be a hard sell even after the economic collapse.

          • Katrael

            Well, as far as the people are concerned you’re absolutely correct. I see another force at work.

            I don’t think there is an overabundance of people who want to be free. To many unknowns are involved. It’s easier to suck off the tit than to take chances.

          • Katrael

            I see my reply to you didn’t make it. You’re probably correct as the slaves will undoubtedly want to return to the plantation.

    • Sarah417

      I’ve been saying this for at least the last three years. Hit them where it hurts. In their pockets. Money talks.
      I tried to tell you this past April. Don’t file income tax forms. Don’t file any 1040s or whatever you file.
      They can’t put all of us in jail.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        Sarah,
        You are wasting your time. As long as the Federal Reserve exists, they can just borrow the money and put those people like you in jail until there is no more dissension.

        • Sarah417

          They don’t have enough jails to house all of us and even then where will the money come from? Socialism can only exist until they run out of other people’s money.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I just told you, Sarah, they will borrow it from the Federal Reserve. And indeed, as they consume an increasing amount of our existing assets with their newly created money, our country will become impoverished. But that will be long after the dissenters have been imprisoned.

      • smilee

        They can take everything you own though in lieu of jail.

  • Katrael

    We can say goodbye to the America we once enjoyed because: we allow the sacrifice of millions of innocent unborn lives to greed, too many of us promote sexual choices that are abominable and we worship gods that aren’t gods.

    This nation was given it’s wealth as fulfillment of unconditional promises made by our creator. Yahuah kept his promise to give us wealth and power, but after that, keeping that wealth and power became conditional upon obedience. We’ve become disobedient and have lost the blessings of wealth and power. This is the sole reason for our decline. If you want to see this country return to it’s former esteem then we need to return to the ways of Yahuah.

    • Vis Fac

      GOD (I think you mean Jehovah not Yahuah) IS responsible for everything we enjoy. He has let us run amok to destroy ourselves with pride, wrath, greed, gluttony, lust, sloth, and envy. We indeed are doing so.

      Without God, democracy will not and cannot long endure.- Ronald Reagan

      Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged. Ronald Reagan

      If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under. Ronald Reagan
      Semper-FI

      • Katrael

        I agree with what you said with the exception of one point: our creator’s name. I posted it as Yahuah because the J sound never existed in the Hebrew tongue. In fact, many languages pronounce the “J” as a “Y”. As to the exact pronunciation of his name? It’s a difficult thing to determine but there are several clues. The name Judah was originally Yahudah and with the exception of the letter “daleth” the name is spelled the same way as the creator’s name. יהוּדה Yahudah, יהוה “Yahuah”. The pronunciation of the name Yahudah, Judah, has never been lost while the name of our creator has been changed to “The Lord” When it shouldn’t have been.

        .Exo 3:15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORDH3068 GodH430 of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generation.

        You are probably familiar with this quote? Here’s a better more accurate translation:

        Exo 3:15 And Elohim said further to Mosheh, “Thus you are to say to the children of Yisra’ĕl, ‘יהוה Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Aḇraham, the Elohim of Yitsḥaq, and the Elohim of Yaʽaqoḇ, has sent me to you. This is My Name forever, and this is My remembrance to all generations.’

        H3068
        יהוה
        yehôvâh
        yeh-ho-vaw’
        From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God: – Jehovah, the Lord. Compare H3050, H3069.

        See the number after included in the first quote? (The LORDH3068 GodH430), Strong came close but not quite. Also, please, I don’t mean to offend. Do well and prosper.

      • smilee

        Yes, and Reagan was not even considered a god actor just good enough to effect a lot of what he wanted.

      • Sarah417

        And don’t forget the one “A republic can only be sustained as long as the populace is honest and moral.”

    • janna

      Katrael
      You be obedient,I won’t
      because there is no “creator”
      I don’t fear your “God”
      but I sure do fear his/her messengers
      Janna

      • Katrael

        janna, obedience has nothing to do with fear. I will obey because I know He loves me and I love Him. I’m a messenger, but you have nothing to fear from me.

        • janna

          Katrael
          of course I do not fear “You”
          but as a group of believers you are dangerous
          think Tea party,creatism,abortion,climate change
          tax cuts
          don’t ever forget
          rich people don’t create jobs
          consumers do,

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I fear your kind, Janna, and I am an athiest. Your kind takes other peoples’ money, takes their Healthcare Choices away, takes their energy choices away, takes their automobile choices away, and on, and on.
            Your kind have doomed countries around the world to lives of poverty.
            Your kind, Janna:
            http://mises.org/daily/4125

          • smilee

            I know davie the only thing in your life that is important to you is your money, people mean little to you, only those whom hate government and are greedy.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            My money represents my labor, Sleepee. It is important to me. But you have an abnormal fixation on my money, my labor. You may have yourself convinced that you are being “compassionate” when helping yourself to other peoples’ money and labor, but the truth is that you are just a thief and an enslaver.

          • smilee

            I suppose it can be said that money is the result of one’s labor but you do not have the right to all of it as you share the world with others it is not a world unto your own. Our Constitution insures the right of government to lay and tax for the public good and requires through them for you to contribute as you are part of the public and share in the public good. Once your tax is collected it is then the property of the government and is no longer yours. Why not buy an island and move on it and then you will have the level of freedom you falsely claim you have in the US

          • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

            Governments are man-made creations and therefore have no rights. And no one owes taxes…

            http://olgreyghost.blogspot.com/2010/07/oil-changes-and-government.html

            Taxes are just the ransom we pay to keep the criminals from physically taking everything else we own…

          • smilee

            Governments are man made and have the rights and powers man gave them and man gave the government the power to tax you so you do owe taxes. Cute site you reference if you like jokes!

          • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

            People cannot give rights to the government. What they give, or more correctly, delegate is authorities, but if a person is not a member of the group or mob that delegates authority, then that person has not given effective consent to the government to do anything to that person. If the government does, then it commits a crime.

            Ironically, if you believe the government has a right to do that which it does, then you are an Authoritarian…

          • smilee

            Are you for real, your so confused. Authority is power and power is rights so on that we agree but everyone who gave authority or power to the government originally are dead and no longer a part of what you call the mob so how could they today give or withhold consent, every thing in the constitution over a hundred years old is the same except the last eleven of twenty-seven amendments and the government can be charged with a crime either so again you are confused. I believe the government has the right to do any thing the Constitution permits it to do because that is its only authority.

          • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

            I am very real as I prefer to deal with reality as it presents itself to me and not with some preconceived notion of how it should be. If there is any confusion it is probably because you do not understand the terms I am using. Let me bust some common myths for you.

            Myth: Governments govern only with the consent of the governed.

            Reality bites: Though basically true, most modern governments derive their powers after a politically-connected minority gives, however begrudgingly, its consent to the government to govern others. Hardly anyone ever consents to the government governing them, but they have no problem using government as a weapon against their neighbors.

            Myth: Once a government is established by one group with the consent of the governed, it does need the consent of succeeding generations of the governed.

            Reality bites: Even Jefferson saw through this fallacy when he recommended a new revolution every twenty years. The lucky part for our modern manifestations of government is, again, they only need a minority of the new generation to consent, and since the government has a near monopoly over the education of the young, it can guarantee itself that when the next generation reaches the age of majority, it will already be convinced that its duty is to consent (this might be the root of your confusion).

            Myth: Since the government controls the writing of the laws, it cannot commit a crime.

            Reality bites: Bastiat saw that what government does mostly is engage in “lawful plunder” by writing the law to excuse the crimes it commits. When a human agent of government, which is a redundant thing to say since government is nothing more than a group of humans who have chosen to make their living by ruling over other humans, intentionally and knowingly causes direct and measurable harm or loss to another person without that person’s consent, then that agent has committed a crime, regardless of what any applicable law says on the matter…

            http://olgreyghost.blogspot.com/2009/12/slavery-alive-well-and-perfectly-legal.html

            Though some people will tell you that I look old enough, I was not around for the Constitutional Convention and so you will not find my signature on that particular “social contract,” which means that I did not give my consent to be ruled by any government that is established by it. When those who have sworn an oath to abide by it, but don’t, do things to me when they don’t have my consent, then they are committing crimes against me, my property, and my progeny.

            Hopefully this clears up some of your confusion. Now I got some chores that need doin’ so I’ll have to call a close to this little discussion…

          • smilee

            You do not believe in reality, you spin reality and believe the spin and that is not reality.

            YOU SAY: Myth: Governments govern only with the consent of the governed.

            The governed is the people collectively and does not require your personal consent and as this has never been amended says their is majority consent which is how a democracy works and disproves what you see as a myth.

            YOU SAY: Myth: Once a government is established by one group with the consent of the governed, it does need the consent of succeeding generations of the governed.

            All generations since the founding one has had the opportunity to amend the Constitution as they see fit thus they are giving their consent and when they have not they have amended it and have done so 27 times over a 200 year span thus proving your myth is not is a myth but real

            YOU SAY: Myth: Since the government controls the writing of the laws, it cannot commit a crime.

            The government can not be charged with a crime and its human representatives are exempt from most crimes while in office and traveling to and from it making what you deem a myth inaccurate.

            Your post clears up nothing just makes thing more confusing and and also shows you are even more confused than I previously thought.

          • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

            You are obviously a Statist, which is the root of your confusion since you cannot accept the premise that what the government does is evil when it does things (steal, enslave, murder) to peaceful people without their effective consent. Since you actively support what the government does to peaceful people, that makes you an accessory to the crimes it commits…

          • smilee

            Sure, you want us to believe everything the government does should require your personal consent. Your nuts!!

          • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

            Not everything. Only what it does to me. Others must stand up for themselves to give or deny consent. I’m not nuts; I just work from a higher moral code than you do…

          • smilee

            I still think your nuts, your feeling that you are superior also tells me you are arrogant too

          • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

            I never said I felt superior to you so YOU’RE (please note the proper use of this contraction for YOUR proper use of it in the future) only engaging in an act of paranoid projection.

            And calling a bowling ball “a watermelon” doesn’t make it taste any better. “Eww, rubbery…”

          • smilee

            Not per sae but you got that message across loud and clear

          • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

            Again you are using the ego-defense mechanism known as projection. You feel inadequate about something and you place the fault on me. It’s okay as it only proves you’re human…

          • smilee

            Your diagnosis is 100% incorrect and proves you as big fool as you really are!

          • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

            “Your diagnosis is 100% incorrect and proves you as big fool as you really are!”

            Do you mean the part about your use of projection or that you are human?

          • smilee

            Your wrong again, your an armature with no real abilities for this!

          • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

            If by “amateur,” (please note proper spelling for future reference; Disqus does have a spell-checker function) you mean I should not expect remuneration or financial compensation for my work here, that was readily apparent from the start.

            Heck, I wouldn’t begin to know where to send the bill…

          • smilee

            You have no idea what a moral code is and you have no moral code. You should know governments can be changed but not ignored it is your inheritance and you are subject to its authority weather you admit it or not, your personal consent means little. That is your reality. You can pretend different but that is all.

          • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

            “You have no idea what a moral code is and you have no moral code.”

            You’ve never met me and you choose to slander me in this fashion and I’m the one supposedly without any morals? LOL!

            Governments retain their power by the maintenance of an air of legitimacy to their actions. In this sense, they are much like many revealed religions that have devout and fanatical followers (apparently much like yourself) that can perform the complex mental gymnastics to avoid developing a case of cognitive dissonance from accepting contrary ideologies as morally equal and equally valid.

            Across the span of human history and the spectrum of human cultures, the act of a person or persons intentionally and knowingly causing direct and measurable harm (physical injury) or loss (theft or vandalism of property) to another person without that second person’s consent is wrong, and these acts are often labelled as being a crime (Mallum En Se). A person who has a propensity for committing crimes is often considered evil.

            This maxim is almost instinctive to the more evolved members of our species with fully functional brains and is even endorsed to one degree or another by government. Unfortunately government like to put its own diabolical twist on the whole thing.

            Government wants us to believe that if and when it commits crimes it is okay because it is the government and it is enforcing “the will of the people,” even when it isn’t. Government also needs us to believe that we are wrong when we disobey the government as it tells not to do what we have a Natural Right to do (Mallum Prohibita) or to do something it wants us to do, even if that act is a crime (“Nuremberg Defense”). The government wants us to consider disobedience the moral equivalent of committing a crime.

            Once one awakens to the fact that government is nothing more than an organized criminal operation, much like the Sicilian Mafia or the Japanese Yakuza, then one can get on to the business of living free in an unfree world.

            “…(Y)ou are subject to its authority weather (sic) you admit it or not,…”

            Only by their force of superior numbers and weaponry, but never by any degree of morality…

          • smilee

            Only by their force of superior numbers and weaponry, but never by any degree of morality…

            Dr Martin Luther King would disagree with you and he proved you wrong and you are wrof

            All malarkey, big and sophisticated words does not an intelligent statement make which you have just demonstrated so elegantly here

          • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

            “Dr Martin Luther King would disagree with you and he proved you wrong and you are wrof (sic)(?)…”

            MLK, Jr. never forced me to do anything against my will. I don’t see how he would apply in defense of your position as he and his efforts to right governmental wrongs might apply more in defense of mine.

            “All malarkey, big and sophisticated words does not an intelligent statement make which you have just demonstrated so elegantly here…”

            Like all good teachers, I can be a bit loquacious when dealing with an errant pupil, but I have the patience to help you see the error of your ways…

          • smilee

            Dr Martin Luther King would disagree with you and he proved you wrong and you are wrong (sic)(?)…”

            “YOUR QUOTE: Only by their force of superior numbers and weaponry, but never by any degree of morality…

            That was what the Martin Luther King Statement of mine was responding to not the BS you came back with.

            This was your response to it:

            “MLK, Jr. never forced me to do anything against my will. I don’t see how he would apply in defense of your position as he and his efforts to right governmental wrongs might apply more in defense of mine.”

            “All malarkey, big and sophisticated words does not an intelligent statement make which you have just demonstrated so elegantly here…”

          • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

            MLK, Jr. protested against government laws put in place by the majority that you have said has the “right” to inflict its will upon the minority as long as it does so lawfully, which it did by exercising its power to write those highly disagreeable laws. MLK, Jr. is an anti-government hero for what he did through peaceful protests and boycotts. More evidence to prove my case rather than yours.

            Malarkey is a nonsensical or “tall” tale often used as a false alibi to cover up some type of misdeed. I think the word you might have wanted to use was Gobbledygook.

            Gobbledygook is a long winding prose heavily laden with highly technical language and obscure, though applicable, terms delivered under the pretense of revealing the truth yet meant to obfuscate, confuse, and distort reality so the truth is never actually admitted. A lot like the “Commandeer-in’-Thief’s” press conference last Friday.

            None of these labels apply to anything I written of late, but another term you might want to familiarize yourself with is Propaganda. Propaganda is the intentional and coordinated spreading of falsehoods within a certain group of people in such a fashion to insure that these untruths will become the “common knowledge” of that community and when someone speaks the truth, that person will be considered to be engaging in anti-social, if not treasonous, behavior.

            I think that is case here…

          • smilee

            MLK, Jr. protested against government laws put
            in place by the majority that you have said has the “right” to inflict its will upon the minority as long as it does so lawfully, which it did by exercising its power to write those highly disagreeable laws. MLK, Jr. is an
            anti-government hero for what he did through peaceful protests and boycotts. More evidence to prove my case rather than yours.

            EVIDENCE YOU MEAN IGNORANCE, MLK LOBBIED HARD FOR CIVIL RIGHTS AND VOTING
            RIGHTS AND AGAINST JIM CROW LAWS AND PRACTICES. HE WAS VERY MUCH SUPPORTIVE OF
            GOOD GOVERNMENT. I SAID NOTHING ABOUT
            THE MAJORITY INFLICTING ITS WIL ON THE MINIORITY. I SUPPORT THE CONSTTIUION WHICH IN SOME CASES
            SUPPORTS THE MINIORITY AND IN SOME CASES THE MAJORITY DEPENDING ON WHAT IS
            CONSTITUIONAL.

            Malarkey is a nonsensical or “tall” tale often used as a false alibi to cover up some type of misdeed. I think the word you might have wanted to use was Gobbledygook.

            YOU KNOW WHAT I MEANT SO I’LL IGNOR YOUR BS HERE

            Gobbledygook is a long winding prose heavily
            laden with highly technical language and obscure, though applicable, terms delivered under the pretense of revealing the truth yet meant to obfuscate,
            confuse, and distort reality so the truth is never actually admitted. A lot like the “Commandeer-in’-Thief’s” press conference last Friday.

            MORE OF YOUR MALARKEY AND GOBLEYGOOK.

            None of these labels apply to anything I
            written of late, but another term you might want to familiarize yourself with is Propaganda. Propaganda is the intentional and coordinated spreading f falsehoods within a certain group of people in such a fashion to insure that these untruths will become the “common knowledge” of that community and when someone speaks the truth, that person will be considered to be
            engaging in anti-social, if not treasonous, behavior.

            PROPAGANDA YOUR GOOD AT
            BUT NOTHING ELSE.

            I think that is case here…

          • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

            “…MLK LOBBIED HARD FOR CIVIL RIGHTS AND VOTING RIGHTS AND AGAINST JIM CROW LAWS AND PRACTICES.” (All caps in the original)

            Jim Crow and segregation laws were already on there way out due more to economic rather than political reasons (the boycotts were working!) and the powers that be were willing to trade those for something that gave them more power over the American people. The 1964 Civil Rights Act gave the government the power to direct people in their individual decisions of their individuals actions of how they would associate on a voluntary basis with their fellow human beings. All sorts of government oppression has been metered out in the name of securing the civil rights of a select few.

            http://olgreyghost.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-fly-in-ointment-of-legalization-of.html

            Since the passage of the ’64 CRA, racial animosity has been on the rise in this country while the socio-economic status of the Black community has steadily declined. When MLK, Jr. began to realize that he had been played for a “Useful Idiot,” he was eliminated and his murder blamed on an isolated, White loner.

            You really need to do something about these feelings of inadequacy that you keep expressing. Maybe some books can help…

            http://www.amazon.com/English-Grammar-Dummies-Geraldine-Woods/dp/0470546646/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1376752708&sr=1-5&keywords=spelling+for+dummies

            http://www.amazon.com/Painless-Spelling-Barrons-Mary-Elizabeth/dp/0764147137/ref=sr_1_6?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1376752708&sr=1-6&keywords=spelling+for+dummies

            Once you can communicate more efficiently, you can reduce your heavy use of sophomoric insults and, with a potential for more emotional maturity, you won’t respond with as much vitriol and prejudicial hatred…

          • smilee

            There is no hope for you, I do not believe it is possible to help you with your confused state of mind. Good bye

          • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

            I can assure you that the confusion is on your part, but I don’t blame you for it and I still have hope that one day you will see the truth instead of the propaganda that has been force fed to you for most of your life. If not, reality has a tendency to bite at the most inopportune time and in the most inconvenient portions of the body.

            Adios…

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Sharing the world with others has no bearing on whether you are a thief, or not, Sleepee. You are.

            Sleepee says — “Our Constitution insures the right of government to lay and tax for the public good and requires through them for you to contribute as you are part of the public and share in the public good”.
            I have proved you wrong on that point many times, Sleepee, and yet you persist. So the only conclusion I can come to is that you are a Purposeful Liar:
            http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa41.htm

            The “General Welfare” clause:

          • smilee

            It does not change the fact your are still sharing the world with others.

            Your first ref of federalist paper no 41 means nothing as that is the sales pitch to sell the original ratification of the Constitution and is does not replace the Constitution itself which you seem to think it does Powers on the government are bestowed on it by the Constitution not the federalist papers albeit they are interesting and sometimes useful they cannot change what the Constitution says This seems to really confuse you.

            I watched the utube and the first sentence he defines the general welfare correctly and in the rest of the video he proves his first sentence wrong he is extremely arrogant as he faults judges, constitutional scholars and other experts as they all disagree with him and he is the only one who gets it right and him and you seem to defines it as he wishes it to be not what it is and congress and the courts have said different but he like you see your self as more intelligent and superior to all the experts which a is a joke. This is the most inaccurate definition i have ever seen and it contradicts the real experts. Other times and most recently the court defined it otherwise in the Obamacare decision and they said Obamacare is a part of the general welfare and just because you do not like it that is what it is so you and this guy on the utube are simply and totally wrong in your conclusions and interpretations. The court has the power to define it you no power but the power to scream about it and in that process you reveal you inability to understand it.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            It does not change the fact that you are a thief, Sleepee.
            The reference to Federalist #41 means everything, Sleepee. James Madison was the Father of the Constitution and was there throughout the entirety of the process to create it. Nobody knows better than James what it was intended to mean. Besides that there would be no sense at all to enumerate Powers, if the General Welfare clause was meant as you interpret it.
            And where in the Constitution was the Supreme Court given the Power to be the Final Arbiter, Sleepee?
            Your comment, as usual Sleepee, is nothing but a conglomeration of your conjecture.

          • smilee

            No it does not how the SC interpreted the Constitution does men everything, nothing else, and if the federalist papers agree with Madison then in that case it does and if he is in disagreement with the court then it does not and you can decide for example if the Obamacare does or not but Obamacare has been held up to be included in general welfare therefore it is the law of the land and if anyone says differently they are wrong as the man in you utube was, that utube ref is pure propaganda as it is not true.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Because you say so, Sleepee? Most of us know better than to take the word of a Liberal Progressive for anything.
            You’re nagging, and you’re wrong, Sleepee. The Supreme Court is simply doing what many of our Founders feared they would do — aiding and abetting their Fellow Gang Members.

          • smilee

            Weather your right or wrong is irrelevant and I happen to think your wrong. This was established by the decision in marbury v madison while most of the founding fathers were still alive and had the opportunity to change it by amending the constitution and they chose not to indicating they were OK with it and I believe you are wrong. The courts decision still has that power and you are helpless to do anything about it but rant.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            That’s rich. So if a person gets away with breaking the law, it no longer is valid?
            Only in the mind of a Liberal Progressive. You guys are twisted beyond recognition.

          • smilee

            What law was broken??????? There was no law broken!! So no one got away with anything!! You have got to get away from thinking you smarter than them as you are not. You cannot accept marbary v madison, the civil war loss that has changed the country forever, you’re going back to 18th century lawsof which some have changed and you cannot do that no matter how bad you may want to, best get into the 21st because that is were we are at now!

          • Katrael

            I understand the idea that markets are consumer driven, but most of those consumers today don’t build businesses.

            I’m not for abortion, but I am for tax cuts and I don’t see the danger in the Tea Party at least not yet. Do you mean Creationism instead of creatism? What’s wrong with creationism? I know that climates change and they always will. So, what’s wrong with believing that climates will change?
            Why are “believers” as a group more dangerous than any other group? After all, we all believe in something and that makes us all believers.

          • smilee

            They don’t build them unless they have consumers as that is what drives them. The problem in this country today is that many see businessmen as more important than their consumers and employees and in some worship them. .

          • Katrael

            Many a business is built entirely on speculation. Your opinions about other people’s opinions is just an opinion

          • smilee

            No business man is going to build a business unless he believes that he will have consumers. True, guarantees are never part of life never the less he will not build it if he knows there are no consumers or believes that is not likely only if he feels there is and he could be wrong and i never said all this was not the case, You read that into my post.

          • Katrael

            A lot of small businesses started when a person had a need for something and others found out what a person had done. I never disagreed with the idea that people hoped there was a market for the product or service they were providing. Don’t be obtuse smilee.

          • smilee

            True but then he had reason to believe there would be consumers and i said he would not unless he believed there would be consumers. No business man is going start a business with out a reason or an expectation there will be consumers as without consumers he will fail so consumers, and employees are a necessary part of doing business and of equal importance as you can not have one without the others.

          • Katrael

            I’ve run a small business for years without employees. I don’t care how much you prattle on about consumers, you don’t seem to understand what a business is. Those employees go home after work to watch reality TV and knock down a few cold ones while most business owners invest the majority of their waking hours and hard earned resources into their businesses. I used to have employees, but I learned quickly that running a business with them was more like adult daycare. And just when you need them the most they call in sick or don’t even bother to do that, then they expect to have a job when they do show up. All the while the owner has to take up the slack and do the absentee employee’s job and all the other jobs the employer was doing before.

            I will say this, while 80% of those I hired weren’t worth what they got paid, the other 20% were worth far more than a normal wage. You have to go through a lot culls to find the real treasure.

          • smilee

            You do not have any consumers? Bull! Why is it common for some businessmen to view themselves as superior to others and look down noses at those whom are not businessmen. You say 4 out 5 employees are worthless, you sure have a low opinion of the vast majority of your fellow man, Could it be you are very difficult to work for and inspire that attitude from your employees? Stop feeling sorry for yourself it improves nothing for you,

          • Katrael

            Smilee, I’,m afraid you are obtuse. I didn’t say I didn’t have consumers? Are you trying to be a liar? I didn’t say I was superior because I was a businessman although my views and understanding of business are superior to yours. I support myself from what I do as a businessman. Yes, four out of five workers are worth less than what they earn. That’s merely a fact of life. Yes my opinions about the vast majority of my fellow men is very low. Too many make themselves out to be lazy and immoral. Yes, I am very difficult to work for because I demand excellence from my workers who don’t want to put out the effort. My customers love the work I do for them and I never have to advertise as I get all of my work by word of mouth. That happens because I insist on doing an excellent job. So, I shifted to doing my business mostly by myself so I wouldn’t have to run an adult daycare business.

            I don’t feel sorry for myself. I am quite wonderfully happy.

            Yahuah be praised.

          • smilee

            I think in this post you prove what I said in the post you are here responding to.

            “Yes, I am very difficult to work for because I demand excellence from my workers who don’t want to put out the effort”

            Nothing wrong with that except how you demand is what is in question and your low opinion of others to me suggests you not very good and inspiring them.

          • Katrael

            Pareto Principle: 20% do 80% of the work while 80% only do 20% of the work. The 20% figure is a good one when it comes to describing those who work at being team players and the 80% who run the gamut from barely acceptable to almost totally worthless. Assembly lines are pretty good tools that businesses can use to keep people working at some real level of production. But, other businesses that can’t rely on assembly lines have to struggle to find competent help.

            I used to be a Scout Master for the Boy Scouts of America. Over a ten year period of time I helped my share of Scouts achieve their Eagle Rank. Why do I bring this up? Because statistically less that 2% will achieve that rank. It’s not all that tough to achieve, but it does take an exceptionally motivated Scout and motivated parents to get there. Most people just won’t be motivated to do excellent work, they have to be forced into it and that’s what assembly lines do.

            I believe that you may be one of that vast 80% who aren’t very well motivated and that’s why you take umbrage at my statements. You seem to want to take up the cause of those who don’t deserve it?

          • smilee

            You sure have a low opinion of most of your fellow man. Why is it that those of you whom feel superior also feel it necessary to pat your self on the back, Is it because nobody else will

          • Katrael

            No not superior. My view of life is that everyone is 100% human with all of the frailties and all of the potential. Each of us have talents that lie in different areas. One may be superior in one way and weak in another. Added together we are 100%. Most people fail to exploit their strengths and settle for mediocre when they can do better but won’t. Not superior at all. My only strength is that I’m willing to work harder at some things than others.
            I’m very happy with the direction I’m going in my life. I’m far from perfect, but that is my goal. I’ll achieve it the day I draw my last breath. No, I get plenty of pats on the back from others. My opinion of my fellow man comes from plenty of exposure to both those who will do good and decent things and those who engage in vile and filthy things. The later far outnumber the former. Although there is a vast number, maybe more than the first two groups I mentions, who are neither hot or cold, mediocre. They are far worse than either of the first two because they fail to take a stand at anything. At least you take a stand. But, I wonder if your stand is for the vile and filthy things in life?

          • smilee

            But, I wonder if your stand is for the vile and filthy things in life?

            NOPE! What a stupid question and it shows your contempt for those you see as inferior to you.

          • smilee

            “rich people don’t create jobs consumers do” I like it put that way!!,

          • janna

            thank you

      • Katrael

        I don’t worship “God”.

      • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

        Dear Janna,

        You write: ” there is no ‘creator'” How then did you get here?

        Best wishes,
        Bob

        • janna

          Bob
          with all due respect
          how I got here is the same way as Eboli,west nile virus,etc,etc,etc got here
          it’s called
          Evolution

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear janna,

            You did not answer the question. I’ll rephrase. From where did the material come that makes the universe? From where did the first living cell come?

            Best wishes,
            Bob

    • smilee

      You only believe in freedoms for yourself and want to deny freedom to some who believe different than you and that is not freedom for all just for those you approve of under your point of view. We are not a free country unless all are free to pursue in their lives liberty and happiness as they perceive it unfettered by others unless it denies to others the same. Under our Constitution we are free to worship whom we want or no one and you do not respect that for those whom exercise that differently than you. Your second paragraph is all about your religious beliefs not shared by all others and if you believe in real freedoms you need to respect that.

      • TheOriginalDaveH

        That statement would have more credibility if it came from somebody who did have credibility.

        • smilee

          The truth on here is only given credibility by a few as so many cannot recognize the truth.

      • Katrael

        You are incorrect. I believe that it’s the RIGHT of all people to choose what they want, but along with that comes the RIGHT to reap the rewards. I have never said that a person can’t worship whatever they want. My opinion isn’t just mine: it agrees with the Creator’s opinion.
        I’m not the one who will ultimately enforce obedience.

        • smilee

          Am I suppose to believe then you support gay marriages etc and work so these people can have their freedoms to. If your would oppose them and vote against them, then I am right. Feel free to answer that.????

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Sleepee,
            You have no legs to stand on. If you want Katrael and others to respect your Freedom, then you need to show them that you respect theirs also. I haven’t seen that in your comments.

          • Katrael

            Thank you, I can’t speak for anyone but myself and I do respect smilee’s Freedom whether he respects mine or not. I just don’t happen to agree with him.

          • smilee

            You going to answer my question on gays that I posed above?

          • Katrael

            I’m sorry, I didn’t see your question about gays. I feel that a gay lifestyle is an abomination. I do support their right to choose it. I also support their right to suffer the consequences of living that way.

          • smilee

            Do you support their freedom to marry and have all the same rights as straight people? Not their right to choose, Choose what?? That is my question?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What Freedom are you offering Katrael in exchange, Sleepee?

          • smilee

            The freedom to be free as he chooses, I am not standing in his way but I think if he had the power to stand in the way of some others freedoms he would and that I oppose and will work always to stop.. There is a lot of people like that on his site.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Unless you’re a Libertarian, Sleepee, and I seriously doubt that, you are daily taking away his Freedom using Big Government as your Proxy Enforcers.
            The biggest takeaway of Freedom being not allowing Katrael to spend his own money his own way.

          • smilee

            Absolute freedom is nothing more than a dream and your always in that dreamland. You do not have the freedom to not follow the laws and the Constitution which allows the government to lay and collect taxes and you are not free to not pay them unless you wish to give up your your freedoms, Your freedoms are not absolute and never have been and the Constitution makes that clear and defines the limits on your freedoms. Your idea is there should be an anarchy system which is totally free but offers no protections of any kind and that is what you seem to advocate. Your statement that taxes are stealing from you makes that clear paying taxes is a responsibility we have to effect the maximum freedoms possible.

          • Katrael

            No, I don’t personally support their right to any privileges as those are simply lifestyle choices they don’t have to engage in. They can choose what they want , but I don’t have to support it. I don’t know of any other way of saying what I feel.

          • smilee

            You have the right to support them and we are talking legal rights here not privileges as you claim and I have never said you didn’t have that right. My question is do you support their right to equality including marriage? Gays will tell you it is not a lifestyle choice but it is who they are and that they are born that way and there is no real proof that they are lying and those of us who are straight have no personal experience of their feelings can honestly say they are wrong. And if they are right I do not think GOD will condemn what he himself has created. Judge not least you be judged says to me hands off their decisions.

          • Katrael

            I also have the right not to support them and I strenuously exercise that right. Since marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman then two men or two women can’t get married to each other and therefore they are not entitled to any privileges.

            Now, the homosexual community may win a legal battle to get these privileges but that doesn’t make those laws moral.

            No society will long survive intact when people start to change it’s moral fabric. This nation is dying a slow death because it has lost it’s moral compass.
            I know gays who would disagree with your argument that the homosexual lifestyle isn’t a choice. I know that there are those who have given up that abominable lifestyle. My brother was one of them.

            Lev 20:13 ‘And a man who lies with a male as he lies with a woman: both of them have done an abomination, they shall certainly be put to death, their blood is upon them.
            Yes, Yahuah made mankind but he didn’t intend men to have sex with other men. Homosexuality has always carried the death penalty and it still does. I’m glad I don’t have to be the executioner.
            If a man can’t control himself then he’s no better than an animal. This goes for all men both heterosexual and homosexuals alike.
            Why are you so worried over this? I don’t believe that you know Yahuah or that you understand his law. You probably don’t believe in a Creator at all? So if there is no higher authority to set moral standards then anything goes. One man’s law is as good as another’s law and this is where we get the mass murderers of the last millennium who were responsible for the multiple millions of deaths which includes all of the women who have had both surgical and chemical abortions. They and those who supported them will be held accountable. . .

          • smilee

            Marriage is not defined in the Constitution but the Constitution forbids states to make laws that do not guarantee equal protection to all and that is not a privilege that is a right. All courts that have ruled on it struck down the state law forbidding it on that grounds and cases are pending that could go to the SC and if they rule that way then all state laws banning gay marriage will be struck down and it will be legal throughout the US. Even Charles Krauthammer a very conservative columnist for the Washington Post wrote an article recently where he said he expects this to will happen sooner rather than later. I agree he is right. The definition is your own which is based on your religion and many religions agree with you and many do not, even the Pope recently said who am I to Judge them, good advise to follow. The Constitutions is neither moral or immoral and separates itself from religion it is intended to protect both and all. I do not see how any honest person can say they believe in our Constitution if they do not believe that and many cherry pick the parts they like and deny the parts they do not like. The rest of your post is just your opinions based on your religion which I respect but is all irrelevant to this Constitutional issue.

          • Katrael

            I don’t care what man’s court decides. The courts don’t have the authority of Yahuah when their laws breaks His laws. Yahuah’s definition of marriage is: a union between a man and a woman. All else is abomination and will be treated as such. As far as equal protection under the law: Sure, man’s law is blind and see’s nothing that is outside of his laws. In the past, homosexual’s did not fall under any classification of people such as women, an ethnicity or a race and therefore were not entitled to anything under the law. Well, they may have won some legal rights in man’s eyes but that doesn’t count in the eyes of Yahuah. That is all that counts because any man or woman that won’t stop their vile deeds will be destroyed.

            I haven’t judged any individual. Yahuah judges.

            Are you kidding me? You said, “The Constitutions is neither moral or immoral and separates itself from religion” The part about the constitution not being moral is an unequivocal lie. Look up the definition of moral. The word moral doesn’t deal with religion and therefore it applies to the Constitution.
            Liberal/progressives love to reinvent the meaning of words to suite their agenda. That’s probably why nobody can effectively communicate with them as they speak a shifting language that only they comprehend.

            My opinion is founded on sound moral Constitutional beliefs and therefore is completely relevant to any situation that we have discussed. .

          • janna

            Katrael
            THEY DON’T CHOOSE
            THEY ARE BORN THAT WAY
            “God choice”?????????????????????

          • Katrael

            The vast majority may be made that way but they weren’t born that way. You are deceived. What I mean by made is that most have had some experience with homosexual behavior before they were exposed to heterosexual behavior. Once the switch is thrown that way they stay that way.

            As to those who are born that way, well, that’s too bad. Many people are born with all kinds of abnormalities that they just have to live with. Now, I support a person’s right to engage in the abominable homosexual behavior but I condemn the behavior itself. Homosexual behavior and drug abuse are what brought AIDs into this country. The CDC knows who brought it here and just that one man has spread an innumerable amount of premature death and suffering on this country and he and others like him have spread this vile disease worldwide.
            Why do you invoke god here?

            Yahuah will not allow those who continue to practice this vile lifestyle to enter into the His reign.

          • smilee

            And just where have I advocated disrespect for anyone’s freedoms? Truth is I have not. I have criticized those whom do disrespect others freedoms but that is not disrespect of their freedom.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            If you are a Progressive, Sleepee, and that is what I gather from the few comments you have made that actually have some substance, then you are by definition taking our Freedom.

          • smilee

            No I am not taking any of your freedoms away from you and your definition is your own and it is not accurate.but there is no total freedom there are laws that control your behavior, tax you etc. You seem to believe that it is not freedom unless you can behave any way you wish and decide if your going to follow the laws, pay your taxes etc all this is allowed under the Constitution which raises the question do you even believe in it. . Freedom to you seems to be freedom to anything even murder without consequences.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Sleepee says — “You seem to believe that it is not freedom unless you can behave any way you wish and decide if your going to follow the laws, pay your taxes etc”.
            If I can’t control my own body and property, Sleepee, then I am not Free.
            By your implied definition of Freedom, Sleepee, you have no business lecturing Katrael.
            And here is some reality about the Constitution:
            http://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/08/gary-d-barnett/limited-government/

          • smilee

            You can control your own body and property within the law but you cannot control anyone else’s.under any circumstances Remove the law and the Constitution and you have anarchy and that is what your advocating as is the article that cite which has brainwashed you with it malarkey.The Articles of Confederation was more like a treaty between the states and did not form a country then some wanted a country and wrote the Constitution which did and there fourths of the states voted to do that . Self Government. To form this country the states agreed to give up many states right and left others unanswered and this states rights v a central government festered for years until it lead to the civil war and the states rights promoters lost the war and the 13 th , 14th and 15th amendment were added further limiting the rights of states. Lincoln was a progressive and believed in uniting the country and keeping it as a country and you hate him too as you often has stated. The site you referenced is anti Constitution and Central government and wants
            to get rid of it and you support that as I have previously stated.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Sleepee says — “You can control your own body and property within the law”.
            Oxymoron.

            Sleepee says — “but you cannot control anyone else’s.under any circumstances”.
            I’m not trying to Sleepee, that’s your policy.

            Sleepee says — “Remove the law and the Constitution and you have anarchy and that is what your advocating as is the article that cite which has brainwashed you with it malarkey”.
            Gobbledygook, Sleepee. Your conjecture is meaningless without actual experience. Naysayers like you are nothing new. Leaders have warned people of the dangers of their absence since the ancient beginnings of Government. But there are examples in history of civilizations operating with very little Government (especially the absence of Central Government). Venice in the 1400s is one. Here is another:
            http://archive.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard81.html

            Sleepee says — “The Articles of Confederation was more like a treaty between the states and did not form a country then some wanted a country and wrote the Constitution which did and there fourths of the states voted to do that”.
            Good Lord, Sleepee, I have to interpolate an awful lot of your garble to figure out what you’re really trying to say. But “there [sic] fourths of the states” did not vote for the Constitution. Three-fourths of the Leaders voted for it. Leaders always tend towards more Power for themselves and less Freedom for their subjects.

            Sleepee says — “Lincoln was a progressive and believed in uniting the country”.
            No, Lincoln did not believe in “uniting the country”. He believed in Forcing his way on the Southern States who no longer wanted to be ruled by the Northern States. Uniting implies consent. The Southerners did not consent, which is why he chose to kill 650,000 people. Lincoln was a dictator in every sense of the word. You would know that, Sleepee, if you read any of these books, one of which was written by a fellow Black man:
            http://www.amazon.com/Forced-into-Glory-Abraham-Lincolns/dp/0874850851/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1375987926&sr=8-1&keywords=forced+into+glory
            http://www.amazon.com/Lincoln-Unmasked-Youre-Supposed-Dishonest/dp/0307338428/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1375987969&sr=8-1&keywords=lincoln+unmasked
            http://www.amazon.com/The-Real-Lincoln-Abraham-Unnecessary/dp/0761526463/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1375988011&sr=8-1&keywords=the+real+lincoln
            http://www.amazon.com/Everything-Taught-About-Civil-Southerner/dp/0982770073/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1375988047&sr=8-1&keywords=everything+you+were+taught+about+the+civil+war+is+wrong

          • smilee

            Sleepee says — “You can control your own
            body and property within the law”.

            Oxymoron.

            Sleepee says — “but you cannot control
            anyone else’s.under any circumstances”.

            I’m not trying to Sleepee, that’s your policy.

            {Not my policy just your stupid interpretation
            and not based on anything factual}

            Sleepee says — “Remove the law and the
            Constitution and you have anarchy and that is what your advocating as is the article that cite which has brainwashed you with it malarkey”.

            Gobbledygook, Sleepee. Your conjecture is
            meaningless without actual experience. Naysayers like you are nothing new.Leaders have warned people of the dangers of their absence since the ancient
            beginnings of Government. But there are examples in history of civilizations operating with very little Government (especially the absence of Central
            Government). Venice in the 1400s is one. Here is another:

            {We only have our Constitution and government so
            all your mutter here is irrelevant and down right silly }

            http://archive.lewrockwell.com

            Sleepee says — “The Articles of Confederation was more like a treaty between the states and did not form a country then some wanted a country and wrote the Constitution which did and there fourths of the states voted to do that”.

            Good Lord, Sleepee, I have to interpolate an
            awful lot of your garble to figure out what you’re really trying to say. But “there [sic] fourths of the states” did not vote for the Constitution. Three-fourths of the Leaders voted for it. Leaders always tend
            towards more Power for themselves and less Freedom for their subjects.

            {It was a representative government (albeit it
            the government of only white rich man at the time) and that is all the ratification required to create the federal government. And all your bitching about the procedure to create the government can change nothing but I hope your ranting makes you feel better}

            Sleepee says — “Lincoln was a
            progressive and believed in uniting the country”.

            No, Lincoln did not believe in “uniting the country”. He believed in Forcing his way on the Southern States who no longer wanted to be ruled by the Northern States. Uniting implies consent. The Southerners did not consent, which is why he chose to kill 650,000 people. Lincoln was a dictator in every sense of the word. You would know that, Sleepee, if you read any of these books, one of which was written by a fellow Black man:

            {Your right they did not consent they were beaten into submission and as all wars the spoils go to the winners and they then consented to come back into the fold so the results of Lincoln’s efforts did in effect reunite the nation which we have still today. Most people see Lincoln as a savior but your entitled to your opinion despite the fact it is false, 150 years,
            later it is really time for you to get over the outcome of the civil war and accept you lost}.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I didn’t lose anything, Sleepee, except my respect for creepy people like yourself. I was born and raised in California and had no relatives in the South.
            Unlike you, Sleepee, I can tell the difference between right and wrong.

          • smilee

            Just because you are from California does not mean the side you supported won they lost and so did you just because you supported their cause and the cause was defeated. I did not question you sense of right or wrong per sae just that you are wrong on this issue so why are you telling me that?

          • http://personalliberty.com/ AnKa

            “There is only one basic HUMAN RIGHT, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic HUMAN DUTY, the duty to take the consequences.” — P.J.O’Rourke (1993)

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Good one.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ AnKa

            Rented from my mom. She has a good list of them.

          • smilee

            Yep and if you kill someone in Texas you will get the needle and you are not free to do anything to stop it.

          • Katrael

            smilee, there is a difference between supporting a right to choose verses supporting the choice. I can choose to oppose anything and that’s my right.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            That’s true, Katrael, but the urge to use Government to compel their choices is irresistible to most people.

          • Katrael

            Are you looking in the mirror?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            ??

          • Katrael

            I’m sorry TheOriginalDaveH, I thought that I was responding to smilee’s assertion that ”
            … the urge to use Government to compel their choices is irresistible to most people.”/ So I asked him if he were looking in the mirror when he said that. I see that it was you who said that and I know it is true.

          • smilee

            I agree but do you feel that gays should be required to live by what you oppose, that is the question and you did not answer that.

          • Katrael

            smilee, I don’t think that gays should behave the way they do, sexually that is. I won’t enforce anything but our creator will. They are condemned to the second death. I’m not the author of that edict, but I do agree with it. Did that answer your question. Why are you so worried about what I think?

          • smilee

            Are you OK with gay marriage because you believe that is their right to their freedom even though you have made clear you do not believe in it but can you respect their right to marry yes or no will do it as I think you skirted my question which is about freedom and not right or wrong issues. .

            My questions stemmed from this part of one of your previous posts, I wanted this answer to better understand your respect for others freedoms whose behaviors, you see as abominable I quote:

            “We can say goodbye to the America we once enjoyed because: we allow the sacrifice of millions of innocent unborn lives to greed, too many of us promote sexual choices that are abominable and we worship gods that aren’t gods”

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            We have already established your contempt for other people’s Freedom, Sleepee. So why are you bugging Katrael to offer what you don’t?

          • smilee

            What freedoms have i showed contempt for, I have fully respected everyone’s What am I not offering Katrael and he said to you earlier he can speak for himself??

    • Keri Green

      Who is Yahuah Katrael?

      • Katrael

        Yahuah is the Creator of all and Yahuah is his name for all generations.

        Exo 3:15 And Elohim said further to Mosheh, “Thus you are to say to the children of Yisra’ĕl, ‘יהוה H3068 Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Aḇraham, the Elohim of Yitsḥaq, and the Elohim of Yaʽaqoḇ, has sent me to you. This is My Name forever, and this is My remembrance to all generations.’
        H3068
        יהוה
        yehôvâh
        yeh-ho-vaw’
        From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God: – Jehovah, the Lord. Compare H3050, H3069.

        Strong was close to the proper pronunciation of His name, but didn’t quite get there. The name should be pronounced similar to the name Yahudah (Judah) only leaving out the letter “daleth”. יהוּדה “Yahudah”

  • Dave

    W.A.R also predicted that Tricky Mitt Romney would win in a landslide in 2012.
    Thats all one needs to know about WAR’s predictions…. Now what has WAR done to get big money out of the political process? Bob L? John Meyers? Ben Bullard? Anyone here?
    Conservatives have done nothing… So until, conservatives actually care about this country enough to push for getting big money out of the political process and push laws that forbid lawmakers from going into lobbying for 10 years after they leave congress, break up the big banks, wall street etc
    They are part of the problem, not the solution.
    Time to ditch both parties people…

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      You have been spouting nonsense since Day One on this board, Dave. That’s all we need to know about you.
      We can’t take Big Money out of the Political Process without taking all money out of it, and we can’t do that without throwing Freedom over the Cliff.
      The only reasonable course of action is to educate the masses to the reality of Big Government, so they can cast educated votes. But when we try to do that, you Liberal Progressive Trolls do everything you can to thwart us.

      • Dave

        Nonsense… Ok.. but going back to 1832 certainly has merit right DaveH8?
        You have been spouting that nonsense since day one… thats all we need to know about you

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          More merit than going back to the 17th century, where your kind is taking us, Dave.

          • Dave

            Really, where have I advocated anything of the sort?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You rail against Freedom on an almost daily basis, Dave. Anybody who reads enough of your comments knows that. Thus, the system which you are helping to build — Non Free — is similar to that which our Founders rebelled against.
            But just so we’re clear, Dave, why don’t you just tell us what you really want for this country? All I ever see you doing is bad-mouthing other people on the board.

          • Dave

            Again, you a a liar….
            This country, a constitutional republic was founded on the people voting for leaders to pass laws to help make this country and society better. To pay for things society needs to have to function, we have this thing called taxes to pay for the stuff the country purchases.
            I have told you many times what I would like to see but I will spell it out for you again.
            I want to see big money out of the political process
            An end the the lobbying revolving door in Congress
            An end to any trade deal that is bad for US workers
            An End to farm subsidies and oil subsidies
            A reduction in the defense budget to 300B a year
            An end to foriegn aid to countries that do not play by the same trade, environmental, worker conditions that we have.
            End to capital gains as long as the owner/executives cannot hide their wealth in the company.
            An Educational system built on allowing our kids to beter compete in the global marketplace of ideas.
            And end to the FEC… Its a DNC, RNC front group that prevents other parties from entering the race.
            A flat tax rate and consumption tax to simply the tax code and get the wealthy to pay their fair share.
            End of the Citizen’s United decision
            End to foriegn ownership of any media in the United States.
            Enforcement of anti-trust laws, break up the big banks and wall street and but thewm under tigher regulations so they can’t screw the country for a few’s benefit.
            The military only attacks when we are attacked and if we go to war, no tax cuts allowed and institute a draft to include the members of Congress so these chickehawks has some skin in the game.
            Those are just some of the things I have talked about in the past that you conveniently ignore as you engage in ad hominem attacks on me.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            What did I lie about, Dave? Be Specific.
            Thank you, Dave, for affirming that you are indeed, a Liberal Progressive.
            By the way, how come we’ve never seen you bad-mouthing Obama for his military involvement around the Globe?
            The readers know who initiates the ad hominem attacks, Dave. They aren’t as ignorant as you’d like them to be.

          • Dave

            Thank you, I am a liberal/progressive…
            I have said before that I had issues with Obama using the military in Libya without Congress’s ok. You convienetly ignore that little fact.
            But unlike his predecessor, Obama has not invaded and occupied another country. Obama has been cleaning up the Conservative’s mess in Iraq and Afghanistan. I don’t agree with his liberal use of drones either. The potential for unintended consequences is too high and the checks and balances process when using them is not there.
            You and your fellow conservatives have an agenda against Obama that is pure hate driven, there is no issue that you and your little conservative friends won’t blow out of proportion (Bengahzi, F&F) or won’t lie about (IRS) and the chicken little have cried the “sky is falling” so much that real issues like the targeting of media outlets by the Justic Dept get glossed over as more GOP/Conservative partisan politics…
            The GOP/Conservatives have their record… they have said from the very beginning that their mission is to make sure Obama fails… Record low legislation, movement to improve the economy in the worst recession in my lieftime and subsequently lowest aproval ratings are reserved for Congress.
            They have earned their rating. They all need to go.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Dave says — “You and your fellow conservatives have an agenda against Obama that is pure hate driven”.
            ad hominem, Dave. Please cite specific comments that I have made and rebut them rather than using a straw-man argument.

            Dave says — “But unlike his predecessor, Obama has not invaded and occupied another country”.
            Sure he has, Dave — Libya. There were people in his own party who thought he should be impeached for that. You can equivocate about “invaded and occupied”, but the killing is the same whether our foot-soldiers are involved or not.

            The rest of your comment is too generalized and conjectural to even rebut.

          • Dave

            So you are an employee of BobL as thought… You are a nice plant for him DaveH8. You carried of the ruse for quite a while… so how much does Bob Livingston Pay you? You are doing one of those “work from home and get paid” schemes?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            No, I am just a concerned citizen who is tired of seeing ignorant Liberal Progressive Followers play right into the hands of the Crony Capitalists who they claim to dislike.
            Read this if you want to actually become less than ignorant:
            http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf
            And why are you bastardizing my ID? Does that make you feel good? What it does do is show the readers that Liberal Progressives are not the “compassionate” people they claim to be. I’ve known that for a very long time. You are phonies.

          • Dave

            Citizen of what country?
            You reference the Heritage foundation… guess who they are financed and led by?
            Crony capitalists
            The CATO Institute, the majority owner is a HUGE crony capitalist.
            Give your propaganda a rest… Reagan ushered in the new era of Crony capitalists in when he put Don Regan on his staff and Alan Greenspan in the FED.
            You are a phony.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            More Propaganda from Dave, the Liberal Progressive who thinks we should just take his word for it.
            Do you have anything other than ad hominem attacks to validate your comments, Dave?

          • Dave

            Yes DaveH8,
            I invite you to look up who funds and heads up Heritage and CATO. I know anything outside of Mises’s theory scares you but try it.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Why the slur on my name? I thought you were one of the “compassionate” Liberal Progressives, Dave?
            First you would need to Prove that they are funded by Crony Capitalists (those who receive Special Privilege from Government), and then you need to prove that their message is actually wrong, no matter who funds them.
            I won’t hold my breath for your rabid response, Dave.

          • Dave

            Again, I never claimed to be compassionate towards manipulators like you DaveH8, Have I? I am simply using the conservative way on you.
            As I said, look it up yourself… I sent you the list of all these “foundations” that contribute to the Heritage Foundation. Exxon/Mobile has given over a Million dollars to Heritage. They definately recieve special priviledge from the Gov and Heritage helps put out the message that Exxon/Mobile wants delivered.
            You just don’t want any part of the truth and the truth is that your sources are neck deep in crony capitalism.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I have proved time and again that you have no credibility, Dave. So if I have a choice between believing somebody whose credibility is not familiar, and somebody I know is not credible, the choice is obvious.
            Feel Free, Dave, to dispute anything that Heritage or Cato say and provide evidence.

          • Dave

            So instead of looking it up for verification as I asked, you change the subject to get out of the point I was making.
            Clasic conservative evasive tactics.
            When you start citing something from an accredited insitution and you might gain some credibility yourself.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You have no credibility on this board, unhinged Dave.
            What kind of work do you do that allows you to pester us all during the day, unhinged Dave?
            Shill?

          • Dave

            You have no credibility in the real world DaveH8… How does that feel? To be a tadpole in a tiny tiny pool of water.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            If it came from a guy with credibility it might hurt my feelings, unhinged Dave.
            You know, I have rarely seen a comment of yours which wasn’t slandering persons on this board, or slandering organizations without any evidence. Not to mention the name-calling and other ad hominem attacks.
            Given that you serve no useful purpose, and in fact are making Liberal Progressives look even worse than they are, maybe it’s time for Bob Livingston to remove you from his property, unhinged Dave.

          • Don 2

            How about posting for us, a list of liberal progressive groups, NGO’s, and anti-gun groups, who receive funds from George Soros.

          • Dave

            http://www.publicintegrity.org/2013/06/17/12814/soros-charitable-foundation-sometimes-leans-right
            Here is one link for you. But once again, george Soros is part of the problem. He should not be allowed to give great gobs of money to influence elections. Right/Left—Conervative/Liberal— I have severe distain for all big money players in the process.

          • Don 2

            Pleeeaassee…..the Center for Public Integrity. You’re kidding. I may have been born in the dark pal, but it wasn’t last night! Why didn’t you just say go to MSNBC for all the lies you can stomach?

          • Dave

            I see Dim Bulb Don can’t read or comprehend. Soros is part of the problem. What part of that don’t you get? I get it… You prefer Fox’s lies. That is obvious.

          • Don 2

            Hoplophobe Dave – Soros is much of the problem, but that doesn’t stop him from financing your liberal progressive agenda, and using his vast fortune to dictate policy positions within NGO’s.

          • Dave

            Dim Bulb Don,
            I said Soro’s was part of the problem. As are the Koch’s and anyone one else that throws around big money in the political process. That includess moron, the conservatives that finance your conservative agenda.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear unhinged Dave,

            OrginalDaveH does not work for me, nor does anyone named Dave.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Dave

            Wow… name calling from Bob L in violation of his own rules… I guess its good to be the king eh Bob?
            Sure he doesn’t Bob…

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear unhinged Dave,

            As you no doubt remember, I added the unhinged moniker to you as a description of another of your irrational diatribes from a few days ago. Your continuous efforts to find some vast conspiracy lurking behind every post and comment, your continuous efforts to find some discrepancy in everything I write or post, your mindless repetition of progressive nonsense and argle-bargle, and how, if you so despise liberty and the liberty movement, you can justify spending hours of your work day coming here, posting claptrap and then feigning injury when your nonsense is refuted is demonstrative of someone who is either unhinged or depraved. Would you prefer I use depraved? And remember, if my “violation” of my “own rules” offends you, you are free to disappear yourself.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Dave

            The birther is calling me irrational….
            I am a liberal Bob because I care about things like liberty, responsibility, others and the United States… I know the last three do not mean much to you but it means something to me.
            But please continue with your mindless conservative fringe diatribes….Tell your employee DaveH8, he is doing a great job as your attack dog as you lay the groundwork to get the low information conservatives all in a tizzy over the latest scandal around Obama being a muslim while forcing all christian women to have abortions while taking your guns and converting the country to an authoritarian socialist regime and doing all this from vacation that is costing 200M dollars a day.
            There are many of your followers that the term “unhinged”, “depraved” would fit nicely. But through your eyes… they are merely “patriots”

          • Don 2

            Wow….is this Dave, or is this Ol’ Grey Ghost? How many disguises do you have Hoplophobe Dave?

          • Dave

            Bob sends his psychotics after me. Janna, you and Alondra must meet…. the 15 of your personalities will have much to discuss.
            We laugh at people like you from the Scottsdale Gun Club.

          • Don 2

            Oh, I see. So, now you’re trying to convince us that you’re into guns, eh Hoplophobe Dave? Scottsdale Gun Club…..wow, I am so thoroughly impressed with that comment, “We laugh at people like you from the Scottsdale Gun Club.” Who is we…..you and your computer mouse? Too funny! Next, you’ll be telling us that your a member of the NRA. Just make sure that you don’t squirt yourself!
            By the way, Bob doesn’t know me from Adam. Looks like he was right on with the conspiracy assessment.

          • Dave

            No, I just don’t care about guns the way the “gun nuts” do… I have friends that are members… I went and shot a couple of Thompson’s and it was fun. We get a kick how insane some of you gun nuts are… as if the Gov is trying to take away all your guns so that the whole volunteer army can stand a chance with their tanks, nukes, WMDs and other heavy weaponry.
            You guys crack us up. It amazes me how far you will go to support the irresponsibility of others.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            The “crack” up is the Liberal Progressives who aggressively use the Force of Government to push their way on the rest of us, and then try to take the moral high ground.
            Your kind, Dave, are the worst kind of Evil.

          • Dave

            yes, Conservatives never force (the Patriot Act) their way (NC law outlawing sharia law, a solution in search of a problem) on others…

            http://www.islamophobiatoday.com/2013/07/21/nc-senate-passes-sharia-law-bill/
            Then the same conservative body tacks more restrctions abortion clinics onto a motorcycle safety law….
            How many conservative legislature passed bans on Same sex marriage in violation of the Constitution and the American spirit?
            nah, conservatives never force their way onto others… Yo are right DaveH8

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I’m not a conservative, unhinged Dave, and neither are they. They are NeoConservatives. I’ve corrected you on that many times and still you persist in your efforts to slander conservatives.
            That is why you have no credibility on this board, Dave.
            And you still haven’t explained how you have so much time each working day to pester us, Dave. Doesn’t your “international technology” or “international sales”, or whatever you really do, keep you busy enough?

          • Dave

            LOL… Another example of conservatives NEVER EVER taking responsibility. What is your aversion to sanity and responsibility DaveH8?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I’m still waiting for your explanation, unhinged Dave.

          • Dave

            LOL… Another example of conservatives NEVER EVER taking responsibility. What is your aversion to sanity and responsibility DaveH8?

          • Don 2

            Dave. as a gun owner, and knowing many other gun owners, I don’t buy one word of what you said. No gun owner trust this government where the 2nd. Amendment is concerned, and the subject of government confiscation does not crack up gun owners because they know the real ultimate goal of the gun-grabbers. You may have been taken to a gun range, but the rest of your post is B.S.

          • Dave

            No doubt there are some that would like to see guns off the street, but its not me or most people… Most people want responsible gun safety laws enforced. That what most in the Gov propose. I come from VA, outside of DC. I know responsible gun owners and I know idiot gun owners that go out headlight hunt with a case of beer.
            You don’t have to buy anything… just use common sense… If people did that, there would be no use for laws around guns now would there?

          • Don 2

            If I could’ve gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them – Mr. and Mrs. America turn’em all in – I would have done it. — Senator Dianne Feinstein(Communist-Kalifornia)
            What we need to do is change the way in which people think about guns, especially young people, and make it something that’s not cool, that it’s not acceptable, it’s not hip to carry a gun anymore, in the way in which we’ve changed our attitudes about cigarettes. You know, when I was growing up, people smoke all the time. Both my parents did. But over time, we changed the way that people thought about smoking, so now we have people who cower outside of buildings and kind of smoke in private and don’t want to admit it. Eric Holder – 1995 – Women’s National Democratic Club)
            Holder said that he hoped we could one day make gun owners feel as ostracized as the smokers who “cower” outside of buildings.

          • JeffH

            You’re either a liar or your gun club group must call itself the Ignorant Progressive Gun Owners of LA LA Land.
            The former is my thought.

          • Don 2

            So, I see you switched your moniker again. Too late…..you’ve already been busted!

          • Don 2

            So, I see you switched your moniker again. Too late…..you’ve already been busted!

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Don2,

            In Dave’s defense, there is a disqus glitch acting up today in which the wrong name appears associated with posts. It usually fixes itself in a few minutes. The tech team is working with disqus to try and remedy the problem.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Dave

            Its been going on since you moved to Disqus. FYI

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Dave,

            Yes, but it seems to be really manifesting itself today. Disqus denies there’s a problem.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Dave

            Hmmm what other applications are you running on your servers? Is your OS up to date on the server and compatible with the service? Based on other Disqus locations I have been on, I think there is something going on in your network that causing the issue. I am not seeing this replicated on any other Disqus service others provide.

          • Dave

            Hmmm what other applications are you running on your servers? Is your OS up to date on the server and compatible with the service? Based on other Disqus locations I have been on, I think there is something going on in your network that causing the issue. I am not seeing this replicated on any other Disqus service others provide.

          • Dave

            Its been going on since you moved to Disqus. FYI

          • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

            Oh great, then I retract everything I said in reply to Don2…

          • Don 2

            Me too. Seriously lol though….too funny!

          • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

            To err is human, to really foul things up you need a computer…

          • Don 2

            O.K.

          • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

            You are the one who is delusional…

          • JeffH

            Don2, I don’t see any comparable qualities between the two…except that DISQUS sucks and is probably the culprit.

          • Don 2

            Agree

          • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

            If you have a problem with me, take it up with me…

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Stand down, Ghost, it’s that system ID problem.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear unhinged Dave,

            You write: “The birther is calling me irrational….” You think calling me a birther is a slander? What is irrational is your mindless acceptance of the false Obama narrative.

            You write: “I am a liberal Bob because I care about things like liberty…” If you cared about liberty you would not support government stealing 50 percent of the wealth of the producers.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Dave

            Prove the “theft” of 50% from the “producers” as you call them.
            I call BS where I see it… Some of it is Obama’s… alot of it is the GOP… still more is coming from you and your authors and mindless followers.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Dave,

            You write: “Prove the “theft” of 50% from the “producers” as you call them.” What are you talking about?

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Dave

            “support government stealing 50 percent of the wealth of the producers.”
            Prove that it is theft #1, then prove that it is 50% of the wealth.
            The wealthy, the corporations have created this tax code… its not the product of the middle class…. Liberals want simplification, as do conservatives (so they say). What stops them?
            Offending the corp hand that feeds them… that is why the tax code only gets more complex. More loopholes put in by special interest. The wealthy and US corporations never had it so good. They don’t want that changed.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Unhinged Dave says — “Prove that it is theft #1, then prove that it is 50% of the wealth”.
            You’re standing on a street corner. 3 toughs surround you and demand your wallet. Is it theft? If they allow you to join them in a vote to take your wallet, is it no longer theft?
            Suppose it was 50 toughs, 100 toughs, 30 million toughs? Does some magic number cross a threshold where theft is changed to “compassion”?
            The Government spends 40% of our GDP, and then they crush another 10% of our GDP with their regulations:
            http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/us_20th_century_chart.html
            http://www.scribd.com/doc/144210931/Wayne-Crews-Ten-Thousand-Commandments-An-Annual-Snapshot-of-the-Federal-Regulatory-State-2013
            Is it any wonder our country is smothering under the dead-weight of sick, pushy, thieving Progressives like Dave?

          • Dave

            Hey employee of Bob L, DaveH8,
            Your anecdotal conjecture does not fact make fool.
            Go back to a real educational institution and get some knowledge. Surely they have real universities near where you pick up your retirement check from the government.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Dave,

            You write: “Prove that it is theft #1,” Taking under the cloak of government is still taking. Taking against one’s will is theft. Theft under the cloak of government does not give it any more legitimacy than if a street thug points a gun at your head and takes your wallet. Taxes are not voluntary. If one doesn’t pay his taxes as set by the authorities, government enforcers bring the full weight of government down on the non payer. Confiscation of property is then performed at the point of a gun. That is theft, no different than if you’ve been mugged.

            You write: “then prove that it is 50% of the wealth.” Combined federal, state and local taxes equal or in some cases exceed 50 percent. You can find this information with a Google search.

            You write: “The wealthy, the corporations have created this tax code…” That is true, and they wrote it to benefit them, not the people. Yet it is the people and small businesses that are taxed (ie stolen from) to the tune of 50 percent or more.

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • Dave

            “support government stealing 50 percent of the wealth of the producers.”
            Prove that it is theft #1, then prove that it is 50% of the wealth.
            The wealthy, the corporations have created this tax code… its not the product of the middle class…. Liberals want simplification, as do conservatives (so they say). What stops them?
            Offending the corp hand that feeds them… that is why the tax code only gets more complex. More loopholes put in by special interest. The wealthy and US corporations never had it so good. They don’t want that changed.

          • http://personalliberty.com/ Bob Livingston

            Dear Dave,

            You write: “Prove the “theft” of 50% from the “producers” as you call them.” What are you talking about?

            Best wishes,
            Bob

          • NC

            Dave, me thinks you have struck a nerve at headquarters! I haven’t see Mr. Bob this worked up since the 2012 re-election of the Kenyan Muslim!
            Root predicted the immediate collapse of the economy in 2008.
            Root predicted the immediate collapse of the economy in 2009.
            Root predicted the immediate collapse of the economy in 2010.
            Root predicted the immediate collapse of the economy in 2011.
            Root predicted the immediate collapse of the economy in 2012.
            Root predicted the immediate collapse of the economy in 2013.
            DaveH seconded the predictions and Mr. BOB says nothing to the contrary!
            Such is the LATEST NEWS here at Paranoid Central!

          • Dave

            WAR is the the religious nut predicting “Christ is coming this week”!!!!
            Next week comes around and… Nothing….
            The WAR goes “Ok, next week definately… its definately happening next week…”
            Its amazing that WAR has never elected President when he ran. LOL… When conservative lies and BS get called on, it just kicks up a hornets nest… The head attack Dogs DaveH8 and Jeffrey “I need to go to the gun range to think” H… come out and do the dirty work.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Where did I second the predictions, NutCase?
            You’re a liar.

          • Dave

            Takes one to know one DaveH8

          • JeffH

            What a dupe!

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Unhinged Dave says — “I am a liberal Bob because I care about things like liberty, responsibility, others”.
            Yet in an earlier comment he said:
            “I want to see big money out of the political process”.
            Liberty? I guess Dave’s brand of Liberty only applies to those who he approves.
            and later he said he wants:
            “An end to foriegn aid to countries that do not play by the same trade, environmental, worker conditions that we have”.
            So it’s okay for Dave to give other peoples’ money away as long as the recipients play by Dave’s rules. In other words, he wants to bribe them to do things his way with other peoples’ money. That’s caring about others?
            Then he says he wants an — “End to foriegn ownership of any media in the United States”.
            That’s Liberty? How odd.
            And then he wants — “tigher [sic] regulations so they can’t screw the country for a few’s benefit”.
            Oh yeah, Dave cares about the masses being screwed — NOT!
            http://www.scribd.com/doc/144210931/Wayne-Crews-Ten-Thousand-Commandments-An-Annual-Snapshot-of-the-Federal-Regulatory-State-2013
            So Dave sticks up for more regulations (read Bigger Government) which aids Crony Capitalists at the citizens’ expense, and he has the time to post dozens of comments on a workday. Hmmm. What else could he be but a Shill for some Crony Capitalist outfit?

          • Dave

            “I want to see big money out of the political process”.
            Liberty? I guess Dave’s brand of Liberty only applies to those who he approves.

            DaveH8 is a liar yet again. DaveH8 supports crony capitalists because it is that money that corrupts the system and DaveH8 says “keep it coming”

            Then DaveH8 tries to BS again by saying:

            “An end to foriegn aid to countries that do not play by the same trade, environmental, worker conditions that we have”.
            So it’s okay for Dave to give other peoples’ money away as long as the recipients play by Dave’s rules. In other words, he wants to bribe them to do things his way with other peoples’ money. That’s caring about others?

            DaveH doesn’t understand how trade works and that if you trade with a country that pays its workers pennies on the dollar for the same job, that has downward pressure on salaries for working people in this country and since the wealthy owners control trade rules because of the money in the process that DaveH8 supports, they make even more money and the price of the good or service instead of going down as it should, goes into the wealthy’s pockets… just where crony capitalists like DaveH8 wants.

            Then DaveH8 betrays the United States again by…

            Then he says he wants an — “End to foriegn ownership of any media in the United States”.
            That’s Liberty? How odd.

            No Dave, that is putting America first and since you don’t do that ever, I would not expect and anti-American like you to understand what foreign ownership of the media can do from a propaganda standpoint and undermining this country…. oh wait… maybe you understand it all too well…
            DaveH is a whore for big business interests and tries to play the game of being a “free trader” in order to dupe the moronic conservatives that don’t see the real world past the Murdoch owned Fox news.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Seek help you sick twisted Liberal Progressive Shill.

          • Dave

            You going to cry to the Austrian socialist retirement service where you get your retirement check every week you crony capitalist whore?

          • Don 2

            Looks like Dave just literally became “unhinged” right before our very eyes. He is now the Ol’Grey Ghost. Split personality???

          • http://www.OlGreyGhost.Blogspot.com/ Ol’ Grey Ghost

            Absolutely not. I am my own person…

          • JeffH

            I’ve never seen any resemblance between the two of you.

          • Dave

            When did we invade Libya? Which divisions, tank battalions are stationed there DaveH?
            It is very clear you have no idea about Libya Dave H

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Whether we kill people from the air, Dave, or from the ground, they are still killed.
            Here is a member of his own party who wanted him impeached for his attack on Libya:
            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/21/dennis-kucinich-obama-impeachment_n_838502.html
            Dave earlier said he advocated that “The military only attacks when we are attacked”.
            Yet here he is ragging on me about the semantics of the Libya attack as if attacking and killing is okay as long as we do it from the air and never set foot on the ground.
            You’re just a dumbass Liberal Progressive who has no credibility, unhinged Dave.

          • Dave

            LOL… You are a moron DaveH… maybe you need a refresher course in what invasion and occupation actually means.

            invasion:
            “attempt to conquer: a hostile entry by an armed force into a country’s territory, especially with the intention of conquering it”

            “arrival in large numbers: the arrival of large numbers of people or things at one time”
            ——————–

            Not what the US did…
            ——————————–
            Now Occupation:

            “act of occupying: an act of occupying or the state of being occupied”
            ——————–
            Also not what the US did.
            This is an example of you twisting what the definitions of those terms mean out of your pure hatred of Obama.
            Then using your dumbazz definition. We invaded Nicaragua under Reagan. We also invaded Afghanistan in the late 1970’s in response to the Russian invasion.
            We also invaded Iraq and Iran during the Iran/Iraq war because your hero Reagan sold weapons to both sides.
            You really have earned your name DaveH8.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I never said they occupied Libya, unhinged Dave.
            Seek help you evil twisted poor excuse of a human being.

          • Dave

            DaveH8,
            We never “invaded” either. But you aren’t bright enough to know what happened in Libya.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Drool on, sick puppy.

          • Dave

            Collect that welfare check leach

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            More nonsense from the psychopath unhinged Dave.
            http://www.whale.to/b/callahan1.html

            Whatever they’re paying you, unhinged Dave, it’s too much, because you’re just making Liberal Progressives look really bad.

      • TML

        We can’t get rid of ‘Big Money’ in government without throwing freedom off a cliff? How do you arrive at that conclusion?

        And I highly doubt that votes are the extent of one’s power as a citizen for making any change in ‘Big Government’. Trying to elicit that kind of change through mere voting seems to be historically ineffectual. I believe the most effective way to fight big government starts at the local level (becoming more active in your community and government rather than thinking you’ve made a difference by simply voting) up to and including through one’s state using the process of nullification and/or interposition.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          I agree with your last paragraph.
          However, you’ll need to tell me how you can take Big Money out of Government without taking Small Money out, and without creating a bureaucratic nightmare.
          Also, keep in mind that it takes lots of money to give a candidate enough exposure to overcome the familiarity that voters have with the incumbent. So to remove that money will further entrench the incumbents. One reason why losers like John McCain try to pass Campaign Finance laws.

          • Dave

            What is wrong with $50 per person/organization to any party/politician per year?
            Couple that with spectrum set aside for political ads and information in each market so that a politician can put free information out so voters can become familar.
            In the end however, voters need to get over the “Congress is extremely corrupt but my representative is ok” syndrome. They are not ok. The two party charade and big money has led us to this point.
            It needs to stop.
            But there I go again… giving solutions….

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Who polices the checks to make sure that they indeed come from the named persons? And what about the people who don’t have the money to contribute? Is that fair to them? How do we trust the bureaucrats that oversee the rules? Is it fair to the people who might indeed make good candidates but are complete unknowns in a country where people, who can’t even name their State Senators, get to vote? Is it fair that the incumbent has had 2 or 4 or 6 years worth of exposure plus franking privileges?
            My mother told me that she wouldn’t vote for Bush because he was ugly. Is that fair? Disclaimer — I have never voted for a Bush.
            Life is unfair, but when we try to make it fair using Government as our enforcers, it always seems to get worse.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Who polices the checks to make sure that they indeed come from the named persons? And what about the people who don’t have the money to contribute? Is that fair to them? How do we trust the bureaucrats that oversee the rules? Is it fair to the people who might indeed make good candidates but are complete unknowns in a country where people, who can’t even name their State Senators, get to vote? Is it fair that the incumbent has had 2 or 4 or 6 years worth of exposure plus franking privileges?
            My mother told me that she wouldn’t vote for Bush because he was ugly. Is that fair? Disclaimer — I have never voted for a Bush.
            Life is unfair, but when we try to make it fair using Government as our enforcers, it always seems to get worse.

          • Dave

            $50 at least puts most people on an equal footing with the wealthy and corporations/unions… that way no one person or group can buy that extra influence.
            The Government is called the Government for a reason. they make and enforce the laws. Its how things get done in society. No doubt people need more involvement in the process. I reject this idea that people should not talk politics in public places for fear of making somebody upset. What is more impactful to people’s lives than public policy put forth by politicians? It needs discussion.
            Its a process to get to this point. You say I am for big Gov which I have told you repeatedly is false. I want effective and responsive Gov to the people, not big monied interests. That will take a more active electorate, holding people accountable and getting big money out of the process.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Where did I say that you were for Big Government?

          • Dave

            Oh Come on DaveH, (that is how I see you on this jacked up Disqus site)
            You always accouse me of being a big Gov socialist. Of which I am not on both counts

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            I got bit again by the software glitch.
            The ID I saw was Grey Ghost.
            I don’t know about accusing you of being a Socialist, Dave, but I do often call you a Liberal Progressive which is certainly true. And Progressivism is all about building Government.

          • Dave

            You have much to learn about progressivism… Reagan built Gov… Was he a progressive?
            maybe you need to do a little bit more research before you make your declarations?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Reagan said he wasn’t Progressive, but Government did grow larger under his watch. Was he lying? Did the Congress just run over him? I don’t know. And I don’t care. Your statement is a non sequitur, Dave, as usual.

          • Dave

            LOL… anything that disproves your massive steaming piles of “information” is deemed a non-sequitur…
            guess what genius? George W Bush has called himself a conservatives since he supported the Vietnam war or did you forget?
            Dick 5 deferments Cheney also is a proud conservative… according to Cheney… But to you because they were the worst president and VP in the past 150 years, they get kicked out of the conservative club.
            You really are sad and pathetic DaveH8

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Anybody can call themselves anything they want, numbnuts. Bush was a NeoCon Progressive.
            You’re a sick evil person, unhinged Dave. You prove that on a daily basis.

          • Dave

            if Bush was a progressive than so was Reagan because Bush followed the Reagan doctrine to a tee. tax cuts, expanding the Fed Gov, more military spending…What a idiot you are DaveH8.
            You are a real embarrassment to your home country of Austria my little socialist bottom feeder

  • chrisnj

    I’m afraid Wayne’s analysis is far more correct than most of us care to admit.

    There is no cavalry who will ride in to save us, no political savior who will rise up to forgive our sins and deliver us from economic evil.

    It remains and always has been up to each of us in true American pioneering fashion to meet the challenges and transcend them in our own lives, families, and communities.

    Soviet Russians were among the most alcoholic on the planet, choosing cheap Vodka as an escape from their prison of misery. But then they had always been subjects of tyranny – emperors and czars.

    So raise a glass to Obama – and throw it in his face (metaphorically speaking of course, NSA snoops).

    • Sarah417

      Oh yeah, the cavalry is coming. We plan to send them the backup they need in 2014. Everyone has to do their homework and seek out the best candidate.

  • smilee

    Not in MN in the last year in Minneapolis & St.Paul condo’s and apartment building are going up all over the place and much in the suburbs too and we have not seen this since 06 and 07, less in single homes and many new commercial ones are being built too. The tradesmen I know are back to work after a long dry spell. Last night on the news homes were reported as going up in price and there is a shortage of them on the market, these things do not happen in a down economy, it is definitely coming back and nobody says it is all the way back but that is moving in the right direction. WE always hear this gloom and doom on these Chicken Little, henny penny sites

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      I thought you lived in California, Sleepee?

      • Katrael

        No, I think he lives in the state of Hallucination? Oh, I’m sorry, that wasn’t sleepee, that was KG(B) that said he lived in the state of Hallucination.

        • JeffH

          Not much difference between the two.

          • Katrael

            True that.

      • smilee

        Lived in MN for 50 years, born in ND and was raised on a farm

    • Katrael

      “WE always hear this gloom and doom on these Chicken Little, henny penny sites.” Then why post here? Oh, I get it, you want to be as irrelevant as you make this site out to be. You don’t aspire to much do you?

      • smilee

        Why Not, I thought you said you respected others freedoms and your assumptions are nothing but a personal attack based on nothing factual so it should be ignored.

        • Katrael

          I’m not attacking anyone personally. I’m condemning a lifestyle choice. I haven’t threatened anyone. You’re free to ignore whomever you wish.

          • smilee

            ” Then why post here? Oh, I get it, you want to be as irrelevant as you make this site out to be. You don’t aspire to much do you?

            You do not call this a personal attack???

          • Nadzieja Batki

            No, it is not a personal attack unless your brain functions on a kindergarteners level and you have to run to teacher to say Katrael is picking on you.

          • smilee

            My brain functions fine on a very high mature level and that is how i know it is a personal attack and when you get out of kindergarten you might too.. Katrael is not picking on me but to a kindergarten it might look that way

          • Katrael

            Sure, it’s a rebuttal to your sentiment about this site. You started with the name calling and I returned the favor. Your statement that this site is chicken little carries with it a slur against those who post here. So, you post here which tells me that you are as irrelevant as the rest of us are. After all, you made the statement that I should be ignored for my irrelevancy. If you can’t stand the heat then get out of the kitchen.

            Oh, and by the way, in case I didn’t make my position clear: I respect the right of homosexuals to make their choice to get married, if it were possible, which it isn’t, but I refuse to support it and I wholeheartedly condemn homosexual lifestyles. So does our creator. I’m on His side.

          • smilee

            The Chicken Little statement is not a slur but my way of describing what happens on this site which is very often predictions of doom an gloom and the gloom and dooms never come to pass. That has been going on a long time here and I think it is an accurate description of much on here and not a slur as I believe it represents a lot of truth on here. Your opinion of my relevancy is of no interest to me so I will not address it. One post you say you respect gays and in others make clear you do not. ?????????????

          • Katrael

            Again you choose to reinvent the meaning of a word. Look up the meaning of the word “slur”. Your remark was meant to disparage people who post on this site who’s opinions are in opposition to your own. Again, if you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen. I don’t respect homosexuals decisions only their right to make them. I haven’t misrepresented myself or my views and I don’t reinvent the meaning of words like you do.
            My point about your relevancy is this: that if nobody else is relevant on this site then you aren’t either. In fact it’s your immoral attitudes and ideas that are dangerous to the welfare of this nation and are therefore relevant.
            Perhaps you should look up the word “relevant” to see what it really means. It might be better if you went back to school to learn English.

          • smilee

            I do respect your opinion and mine is that yours is 100% inaccurate in this post.

          • Katrael

            Of course you believe that I’m 100% wrong. Why wouldn’t you feel that way? I oppose almost 100% of what you seem to stand for.

          • smilee

            True I believe in freedom you do not!

          • smilee

            My words were not intended to disparage anyone and in reality do not they merely state what I see as false gloom and doom predictions that they project and thus a Chicken Little mentality which I believe exists here. Very seldom has time proven any of their predicted gloom and doom.to come true and mostly that will prove true of your predictions as well. I never said anyone you including you are irrelevant just some of their words or beliefs were, There is a big difference weather you can see that or not. I am a moral person and now even the Pope has said “whom am I to judge” about gays and you would be wise to do the same and I do not judge and for you to conclude because I am immoral clearly shows you do judge and your judgments are not correct judgments.

          • Katrael

            Do you even know the definition of disparage? I guess not. Well, so much for trying to communicate with a liberal./progressive mentality. If you stand for abortion, homosexual behavior or any other immoral behavior then you can’t possibly be moral. It would seem that in your world it’s appropriate to change definitions to suite the moment so that you can continue to try to mislead people. Of course there is the possibility that you actually believe that there isn’t anything wrong with the disease and death that homosexuals have brought to this country. It’s also possible that you don’t see any harm in murder through abortion? Well, if that’s the case then good luck to you because you’ll need it.

          • smilee

            I never said I stand for abortion, homosexual behavior or any other immoral behavior. I do not interfere with the freedoms of others they should be free to do what they like if it harm no one else. I believe in freedom for all as their behaviors are none of my business or yours either but I do not suppose that will stop you if you can find a away to suppress other people’s freedoms if you do not like them. I did not change any definitions. How can I mislead people if I support their freedom to let them decide for themselves, I do not interfere. Your lying heterosexuals have all the same diseases homosexuals do and they die too. Abortion, again is unique as it does not only include the fetus but both mother and fetus and the mother and her God should be the only one’s dealing with it as I see it as none of yours or mine’s business thus no business of he government. I actually do not believe in abortion just that you or the government should decide that for a woman who can be face with multiple scenarios while pregnant and it is none of our business to decide anything as long as the fetus cannot survive without the mother it is complicated and best left to the mother and her God. I trust her God don’t you? The difference between you and me is that I believe your freedoms is not free if I can decide how others can be free, you feel in circumstances you do not agree with you should have the power or the government to dictate to others their freedoms. You do not believe in real freedoms for everyone.

          • Katrael

            No see, if you aren’t against something you’re for it. I speak out against the evil practices I see people engage in. I know they are evil because they are anti-species. Abortion on demand is anti-species and homosexuality is ant-species.

            Heterosexual immorality will be dealt with the same way all evil is dealt with no matter who does it.

            As far as AIDS is concerned: It was a homosexual drug abuser who brought AIDS into this country. The CDC traced it back to him then other immoral people, both homosexual and heterosexual, spread that filth into the population. But, for sure it was immoral behavior that spread it to both the guilty and innocent alike.

            Probably most STD’s came from people who engaged in sex with animals, perhaps even AIDS was from an animal? I don’t have proof to offer here

            as the question of the origins of STDs seems to evoke a response from authorities in either direction. .

            Like I said, the progressive way of thinking places our society in jeopardy because people won’t take a stand against what is evil. It seems that even you may fall into that category? We need to teach all of our children that these practices are vile, filthy and anti-species

            FYI, a six month old can’t survive without help so maybe we should let mothers decide whether they should terminate their babies? Are you one of those people who feels that an unborn child isn’t human simply because it’s a fetus or a zygote or the product of two gametes like other animals are? I mean those things don’t even sound human. So what if a fetus is killed in it’s mother’s womb because she doesn’t want to be inconvenienced; after all it’s not human until it breaths.

            As I keep telling you, a person is free to practice what they want and that includes people forming a government that takes action against people who engage in evil activities. That is freedom. you confuse freedom and license People will always be free to do as they please regardless of what laws exist. However, if a person knows that murder carries the death penalty then they shouldn’t be surprised when they get sentenced to death for having murdered somebody. It’s that simple. Now, I personally didn’t make up the laws against these evil activities, our creator did and as I already explained I stand with Him. It’s just not my job to carry out the sentence. My job, and it’s one I’m happy to take on, is to speak out against it.

            Please, stop any immoral behavior you may be engaging in before it’s too late. There, I warned you.

          • smilee

            No see, if you aren’t against something you’re
            for it.

            WRONG. NOT INTERFERING WITH OTHERS RIGHT TO BE FREE TO DO SOMETHING YOU
            DO NOT APPROVE OF, DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE FOR IT

            speak out against the evil practices I see people engage in. I know they are evil because they are
            anti-species. Abortion on demand is anti-species and homosexuality is ant-species.

            YOUR OPINION YOUR ENTITLED T IT BUT YOUR NOT ENTITLED TO CONTROL THOSE BEHAVIORS IN ANYONE BUT YOURSELF

            Heterosexual immorality will be dealt with the
            same way all evil is dealt with no matter who does it.
            As far as AIDS is concerned: It was a homosexual drug abuser who brought AIDS into this country. The CDC traced it back to him then other immoral people, both homosexual and heterosexual, spread
            that filth into the population. But, for sure it was immoral behavior that spread it to both the guilty and innocent alike.

            NO, IT IS A DISEASE THAT ATTACKS
            BOTH SEXES THE FACT THAT A HOMOSEXUAL WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO BRING IT INTO THE
            THIS COUNTRY MEANS NOTHING OTHER THAN HE WAS THE FIRST TO BRING IT.

            Probably most STD’s came from people who
            engaged in sex with animals, perhaps even AIDS was from an animal? I don’t have proof to offer here

            YOUR RIGHT YOU DO NOT

            as the question of the origins of STDs seems
            to evoke a response from authorities in either direction. .Like I said, the progressive way of thinking
            places our society in jeopardy because people won’t take a stand against what is evil. It seems that even you may fall into that category? We need to teach
            all of our children that these practices are vile, filthy and anti-species

            NOT EVERY ONE SEES AS EVIL WHAT YOU SEE AS EVIL AND IN A FREE SOCIETY YOU DO NOT
            GET THE RIGHT TO FORCE YOUR BELIEFS ON OTHERS. THESE ACTS ARE LEGAL

            FYI, a six month old can’t survive without
            help so maybe we should let mothers decide whether they should terminate their babies?

            WRONG THEY CANNOT SURVIVE WITHOUT AN ADULT BUT THEY DO NOT NEED THEIR
            MOTHER MANY GREW UP WITHOUT A MOTHER
            BECAUSE THEIR MOTHER DIED WHEN THEY WERE BORN. WHAT A STUPID COMPARISON IT IS IRRELEVANT TO THE ABORTION ISSUE

            Are you one of those people who feels that an
            unborn child isn’t human simply because it’s a fetus or a zygote or the product of two gametes like other animals are? I mean those things don’t even sound
            human. So what if a fetus is killed in it’s mother’s womb because she doesn’t want to be Inconvenienced; after all it’s not human until it breaths.

            WHAT I BELIEVE IT IS IRRELEVANT IT IS NOT MINE OR YOUR BUSINESS OR THE GOVERNMENTS. CIRCUMSTANCES ARE VERY DIFFERENT BEFORE YOU ARE BORN AND THE RIGHTS OF THE MOTHER CANNOT BE IGNORED WHERE YOU FEEL YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DICTATE TO HER WHAT HER RIGHTS SHOULD BE. IT IS TOO COMPLICATED TO PUT INTO LAW DUE TO ALL THE POSSIBLE VARIABLES AND THERE FORE THE MOTHER AND HER GOD ARE THE DECISION MAKERS HERE NOT ANYONE ELSE AND THAT IS RIGHT AND I TRUST THEM BOTH AND IF GOD DISAPPROVES IN A GIVEN CASE I’M SURE HE CAN DEAL WITH IT..

            As I keep telling you, a person is free to practice what they want and that includes people forming a government that takes action against people who engage in evil activities.

            THAT IS NOT OUR GOVERNMENT SO THAT DOES NOT APPLY HERE

            That is freedom.

            THAT IS NOT HOW OUR CONSTITUTION SEE’S IT

            you confuse freedom and license

            FREEDOM IS BEING ABLE TO DO WHAT YOU WANT AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT INTERFERE WITH THAT RIGHT IN OTHERS YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL OTHERS BEHAVIORS WHEN IT DOES NT INTERFERE WITH YOUR OWN AS I SAID BEFORE YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN FREEDOM FOR ALL JUST FREEDOM OF BEHAVIORS YOU APPROVE OF,

            People will always be free to do as they please regardless of what laws exist. However, if a person knows that murder carries the death penalty then they
            shouldn’t be surprised when they get sentenced to death for having murdered somebody. It’s that simple. Now, I personally didn’t make up the laws against
            these evil activities, our creator did

            THAT IS THE LAW OF GOD THIS IS THE LAW OF
            MAN AND GOD NEVER HAS WANTED US TO ENFORCE HIS LAWS WITH THE LAW OF MAN AND HE GAVE US THE GIFT OF FREE WILL WHICH YOU DO NOT SEEM TO BE WILLING TO GIVE YOUR FELLOW MAN AS YOU SOMEHOW SEE YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO ENFORCE THE LAW OF GOD WHEN HE RESERVE’S THAT UNTO HIM SELF

            and as I already explained I stand with Him.

            ME TOO

            It’s just not my job to carry out the sentence.

            NOT YOUR RIGHT TO CONTROL THE BEHAVIOR EITHER

            My job, and it’s one I’m happy to take on, is to speak out against it.

            NO PROBLEM WITH THAT AS I RESPECT YOUR FREEDOM OF SPEECH BUT THAT IS NOT THE SAME AS FREEDOM TO INTERFERE WITH THE FREEDOMS OF OTHERS

            Please, stop any immoral behavior you may be
            engaging in before it’s too late.

            YOU TOO, I GET THE FEELING YOU THINK i AM EVIL AND DO THESE THINGS just because i will not side with you to take away others freedoms TO
            DO SO WHEN I DO NOT. I JUST DO NOT SEE MYSELF THE ENFORCERS OF ANY OTHERS BEHAVIORS IF THEY DO NOT PREVENT ME OR ANYONE FROM BEING FREE TO CHOOSE THEIR OWN BEHAVIORS AND EXERCISE THEM WITHIN THOSE LIMITS. YOU ASSUME A LOT AND ASSUMPTIONS USUALLY DISTORTS FACTS AND REALITY.

            There, I warned you.

            WARNING IS NOT NECESSARILY WITNESSING BE CAREFUL HOW YOU DO IT

          • Katrael

            You may not be for immoral behavior but it sure looks that way. Especially if you won’t speak out against it.

            When did I ever say I wanted to control somebody. I only speak out against what is wrong.

            You are being obtuse: is this on purpose? I freely admit that AIDS can afflict anyone regardless of preferences and is spread both by homosexual and heterosexual immoral behavior.

            Still, there is evidence that most STDs came from people having sex with animals.

            It doesn’t matter what other people see as evil, it only matters what Yahuah sees as evil.

            Who says we live in a free society? Again I believe you confuse freedom with license. People are free to make and enforce laws for or against anything they desire even if they make one against homosexuality.

            Apparently you are obtuse. I said nothing about a baby needing a mother to survive. You can’t read and comprehend and you make up your own definitions to suite your needs.

            Who’s ignoring a woman’s right to abort? Not I. Not Yahuah. Yahuah will only pass sentence and execute His judgement on people who engage in murder. Neither do i dictate to a woman what she could do. You have a serious problem with reading comprehension.

            Well, abortion deprives the unborn child of the right to self determination. It’s pure evil. The practice needs to be eliminated and woman should resort to noassatall as a method of birth control.

            Again, I never said I wanted to control anybody. You seem to insist that I’m saying that?

            Freedom isn’t mine to grant and the only reason we have freedom is to test us to see if we’ll be worthy of entering the Reign of Yahuah. It looks as if most won’t pass the test, but hopefully they will. It’s a shame if they don’t enter the Reign of Yahuah as there is still plenty of room in the universe.

            You bring up a good point and I briefly touched on it: you said, “FREEDOM IS BEING ABLE TO DO WHAT YOU WANT AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT INTERFERE WITH THAT RIGHT IN OTHERS….” Spreading disease does interfere in others rights and sexually immoral behavior does just that. So does abortion interfere in a person’s rights to not only freedom but life itself.

            Oh, but our government surely does pass judgements against immoral behavior. It’s just that it’s definitions of moral changes with every passing second just as yours seems to. Where do you live? It must not be in the United States.
            I’m not talking about God, I’m talking about Yahuah. This shows how ignorant you are. Ignorance is correctable. Yahuah wants each one of us individually to be responsible to follow his ways without the need for other government. He gave that option to mankind, but when man (Adam) decided to ignore Yahuah’s laws in favor of his own Yahuah then set limits on man’s powers and life span so that mankind wouldn’t destroy itself before it had a chance to learn why we should voluntarily follow Yahuah’s ways. There will be a day of reckoning and nothing will change that no matter what happens to us or no matter what we believe or do. Get ready because it’s coming.

            Sure I want you to side with Yahuah and I merely say that you should speak out against evil. If you know those things bring harm to others then you must speak out. If you don’t know the things we’ve been discussing do harm to others then I pray you’ll open your eyes and see the truth. The warning is just that: a warning. Warnings apply to everyone, me included.

            While not speaking out against evil may not seem like an evil practice it is. We have an obligation to speak up when we see a person behaving or doing something that they may not know is harmful to them or others. Therefore it’s incumbent upon me to speak out to you so that maybe you’ll speak out to others. Neither one of us are going to stop people from doing what they want. That’s freedom. Well, at least I know I’m not going to interfere unless a person directly threatens me or mine.
            If you blithely say, “it’s none of my business what somebody does.” then you are guilty of supporting it as if you had given your approval of it. You know that’s the way many people respond to non instruction. They see silence as license.

          • smilee

            Call your God whatever you want does not matter to me.

            If you had the power to deny gay marriage and gay practices ect would you do it? Be Honest. I think you would as hove indicated that is what you want and that is a desire to control others of whom you disapprove, It is one thing to disapprove of their behavior but quite another to deny it as that is control and I believe that is what you want but that is out of your control or i believe you would do that. This issue is not about religion or religious beliefs so will not go tit for tat with you on that.

            “it’s none of my business what somebody does.”

            YOU SAY IN RESPONSE TO MY QUOTE ABOVE: then you are guilty of supporting it as if you had given your approval of it. You know that’s the way many people respond to non instruction. They see silence as license.

            My supporting their legal right to exercise their behaviors in no way says I approve of their behaviors That is your spin and lies on my comment. Does your Yahuah approve of lies??

          • Katrael

            Of course these issues aren’t a matter of religion. It’s about health and safety and decency and morals and doing the correct thing and a whole list of other issues.

            You don’t know what god is or you wouldn’t talk like you do. It will matter when Yahuah gets in your face about it.

            Nope, I wouldn’t. That’s not my job.

            Again you’re being obtuse. I simply said that is your attitude and not mine. You really need to learn how to read.

            I didn’t lie. Show me where I lied.

            OK now pay attention: you said, and this is your words not mine, “WHAT I BELIEVE IT IS IRRELEVANT IT IS NOT MINE OR YOUR BUSINESS OR THE GOVERNMENTS.”

            So I said in response, “If you blithely say, “it’s none of my business what somebody does.” then
            you are guilty of supporting it as if you had given your approval of
            it. You know that’s the way many people respond to non instruction.
            They see silence as license.”

            This is not a lie, it’s the truth

            Besides, your entire attitude toward others seems to indicates that you really do support these vile behaviors and that you may only be a coward and won’t say so.

            .

          • smilee

            Another post of 100% gobblygook, to respond would just be to continue your spin

          • Katrael

            Don’t look now but you did respond. tsk tsk tsk. No understanding.

          • smilee

            No I did not i only told you I was going to pass on responding to the content

    • Phil Schipsi

      Smilee: “not in MN.”. Check out your neighboring city: Vadnais Heights, Minn. Then remove your head from the dark place.

      • smilee

        I never said there is not an exception to the rule, The metro as a whole is the rule and all I said is true and if drive around the metro you can see it for yourself. It is happening there.

        • Karolyn

          It’s the same in the Charlotte area.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          The question is — “Is it real sustainable growth, or is it just temporary Government-subsidized malinvestment?

          • smilee

            Does not matter it is growth and far better than a government and corporate induced recession where nothing could get done for a while. Why does it really matter any growth stimulates the economy.

  • Keri Green

    Finally someone that actually knows what is really going on. Good article Wayne and 100% facts. As America sits around wacthing dancing with the stars and sports our Country is being taken over and destroyed by the One World Order and there puppets in the White House. Wake the hell up PEOPLE!

    • Guest

      White house AND Congress, and the FED RESERVE!

      • Ron r

        Term limits on congress and problem solved.

        • Don 2

          O.K., Mr. Brainiac, go ahead and solve the problem.

          • Ron r

            It would almost eliminate the influence lobbyist , and extremist have on congress .

          • Don 2

            You’re only repeating what everyone already knows. Tell us how to make congress pass term limits, as opposed to just making a flippant comment.

  • David169

    After reading the article and all of the current posts I think both sides of this catastrophe need to look at our most serious problem. There is no doubt that 40% of the people live partially or totally on entitlements. Those who paid into Social Security should not be considered as receiving an entitlement. For the rest of those mentioned the most terrible time is coming for them.
    Our government is now borrowing about half of the budget by printing money. Bernanke and the Fed are propping up the banking system with 85 B a month or another 1T per year. This totals 5T annual expenditures and only 2T income from receipts.This means 60% of our annual cost of doing business is on borrowed money. No country that lives on fiat money can survive economically with this imbalance. This massive amount of unearned money creates massive inflation. This administration took the two key indicators of inflation out of the index which are petroleum products and food. We all eat so I will not belabor the increases in food prices. Coming soon there will be a day where our currency will not be accepted in this country because it is being inflated far too rapidly. Those who live on entitlements will be the most injured because they will first find their food card will not buy anything and then the government will be forced to cut and then eliminate all of the entitlements. I personally would prefer to be a worker who knows how to produces more than I consume than someone who has depended on entitlements to live, has no work history and no idea how to support themselves when the bottom drops out. When 40% of our citizens or roughly 120,000,000 people are effectively put out on the streets without shelter and support it will be a catastrophe beyond comprehension.

  • Jeff Noncent

    that my friend is the truth, and not only that we are headed for destruction because if America is in debt, how can they help people who are in trouble? that mean the government is not the answer for anything

  • Michael Shreve

    I’d say that those who actually VOTED for Obama deserve all this, BUT many were ALREADY leaches sucking the life blood out of the U.S and simply don’t CARE.

    • Ron r

      Yeah like sr. Citizens and young professionals. The nerve of those bum’s.

      • Don 2

        Regardless, they’re all low-information voters.

      • Michael Shreve

        Non-sequitur.

  • Debbie

    We has stood by and let this happen, The people that voted for this President have a lot of the blame, but we do to. We should has stood up for what was right and government be darn. Look what the Lib’s have done to our America. Our Families are no longer safe in their own homes, The only way your Child can get a good education is Home School or Private and with two parents working just to make ends meet that is no longer an option. Something is going to have to be done sooner better than later.

    • Ron r

      This president got over 50% or the vote and creamed Romney in the electoral college. Where were you and I can come and go as I please. Someone got you scared to leave home??

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    Look at this IDIOTIC CLOWN criticizing republicans that they drew the economy into a ditch.

    The Ignoramus uses car key analogy to describe republicans.

    The question is: Where the Kenyan Kriminal drew and continuing drives the economy?

    Ann Barnhardt knows the answer: The Kenyan FRAUD INTENDS TO COLLAPSE US ECONOMY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvfzrFGCXos

    According to deranged and delusional pelosi: “Unemployment insurance is a biggest stimulus to our economy … and a Job creating. It creates jobs faster
    than most any other initiative we can name” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE-z38pXUAo

    Isn’t this a reason that unemployment still above 10%?

    The Hispanics understand that pelosi’s brain on drugs

    • Ron r

      Birtherrrrrrrrr.

      • Don 2

        O.K. hotshot, let’s see your proof. Put up or shut up!

        • Dave

          Dim bulb Don 2,
          Its up to you to prove your BS assertions, you are the crazy ones or did you forget?

          • Ron r

            Right on, right on, right on. Maybe they will find it at Area 51 nah area 52.

          • Don 2

            And you obviously have no proof either. Understood!

          • Don 2

            So, in other words, you have none. Understood!

        • Average_Joe56

          They can’t put up…and they won’t shut up….

      • http://personalliberty.com/ AnKa

        Birtherrrrrrrrr = Trutherrrrrrr

        • Dave

          Lol… crazy Alondra is back with her Youtube videos from other nuts like her.
          Sherriff Joe Arpio’s waste of tax payer money investigating this story has been debunked.
          The State of HI verifies the birth in HI.
          The newspapers all acknowledge the birth
          Columbia had stories well before Obama went to the WH or even Congress.
          Your tin hat is on too tight… did you find a picture of Jesus in your mac and cheese tonight?

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Keep denying, Davey.
            Magna est VERITAS et praevalet

        • Ron r

          You mean like 911 truthers??

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        And veeeeery Proud one!!!

        Watch these Videos – Educate yourself, sheeple:
        Debt Collector on the Identities Fraud by barrack and moochelle

        His Selective Service Registration Card is also FORGED

        The Kenyan FRAUD’s Hidden College Records

        Ron, thanks much for an opportunity to share with you and with other readers these very TRUTHFUL, UNDISPUTABLE and UNDENIABLE FACTS.

        Ron, any questions, please do not hesitate, dear, just ask me.

        And now, as Bob Livingston would say:

        Best wishes

        Alondra, PROUD Birther (but next time I would prefer you call me a “Truther” – TY)

        • Ron r

          No thanks we will once again agree to disagree .

        • Ron r

          So if you guys have all these facts why have you not proven your case?? Oh, my bad its that main stream media that refuses to jump on board. So you hang around the Internet because we all know that you can’t put lies on the Internet. Well I guess we’ll run one of the Mandela children or Ted Cruz in 2016.

          • Don 2

            And we also all know that guys like you can’t lie here. Well, I guess we’ll just all jump on board with whatever you Obama worshippers say. After all, why should any of us think out-of-the-box?

        • Ron r

          I call it like I see it . Birtheeeeeeer!!!!

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            If you feel better, so do, Libtard. I care NOT.

          • Don 2

            Hear no Evil, See no Evil, Speak no Evil. How about that Ron r, you qualify as a true Obama worshipper. Do you have a magic carpet to kneel on too?

  • Terry Bateman

    Free trade cuts costs for consumers on imported stuff and makes life affordable
    for the lower middle class but also reduces better paying manufacturing jobs
    by exporting those jobs overseas thereby putting more people into the lower
    middle class. Not one foreign car need be sold in the U.S. We could have kept
    them out and retained the manufacturing jobs in Michigan, Ohio and the rest of
    the rust belt. We could have kept foreign steel out of the U.S. and maintained
    all those jobs that are gone. The core idea behind free trade is wrong: That
    there are some places in the world that can produce stuff better than others.
    All the different continents have sufficient resources to produce what they need
    to be prosperous and self-sufficient if they don’t let tribalism (Africa) government
    regulations (Europe and America) and religious lunacy (Asia and Mid-East}
    interfere with the self-guidance, capitalism, and hard work that produces
    prosperity for all.

  • LINDITA

    AS PEOPLE, WE KNOW TRIBE GREEK, HITLER FOLLOWERS EXCEL INSTIGATING FOOTLIGHTS AND WINGS. THIS HABIT IT IS ABOUT THE BLOOD. IF, TRIBE DIDN’T BROIL OUTSIDE HOUSE THEY CAN BROIL INSIDE WITH WOMEN, CHILDREN. BETTER FOR TRIBE IS STAYING “NO FOOD” THAN STAYING “NO BROIL”. LA,LA,LA…..

  • Jimmy G

    Obama ain’t [expletive deleted]

    We shipped our manufacturing jobs out of America (blue collar
    White/black workers) and replaced them with housing, urban sprawl, road
    construction (blue collar Brown workers) This started back in the 70’s
    and really got going in the 80’s & 90’s

    Consume
    less than you produce. Have no debt Pay no interest. It’s never too late
    to get started. There is plenty of work to be had, you just have to go
    out everyday, kill it and drag it home.

    Stop spending your money on BS
    Eat at home
    Cut your own grass
    Clean your house
    Downsize your house
    Live next to your work

    But HEY, there is a reason America is not mentioned in Revelation.

  • LINDITA

    AS PEOPLE, WE NEED TO FOCUS ON BENGHAZI SCANDAL WHO OUR AMBASSADOR AND THREE HIGHEST EDUCATED DIPLOMAT WERE TORTURED AND KILLED FROM TERRORIST CRIMINAL ROOT IN TRIBE GREEK. SAME ROOT WITH A HITLER. ALL THE TRIBE PEOPLE IN WHITE HOUSE, OBAMA’S ADMINISTRATION AND US GOVERNMENT NEED TO GO NOW. WE THE PEOPLE CANNOT TRUST THEM, CANNOT BE SAFE WITH THEM. SO, WE BELIEVE PATRIOT CONSERVATIVES, OUR MILITARY, BUSH FAMILY. AMEN!

  • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

    “The few who understand the system, will either be so interested in its profits, or
    so dependent on its favors that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantages…WILL BEAR ITS BURDEN WITHOUT COMPLAINT, and perhaps WITHOUT SUSPECTING THAT THE SYSTEM IS INIMICAL TO THEIR BEST INTERESTS.” — Rothschild Brothers of London communiqué to associates in New York June 25, 1863

    “A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.” — George Bernard Shaw

    • LINDITA

      AS PEOPLE, WE KNOW THE FEW WHO WON’T TO UNDERSTAND THE SYSTEM ONE PERCENT IN AMERICA AND BEYOND.THE FEW BELIEVE IN FASCISM REGIME. TRIBE ROOT IN A GREEK ARE HITLER’S FOLLOWERS AND HITLER’S BROTHER OR, HALF BROTHER FEELING SHAME TELLING THE ORIGIN BUT, DON’T FEEL SHAME FROM THE SCANDALS DUE TO, SCANDALS ARE DAILY FOOD. LA,LA,LA……

      • angelface

        As long as you continue to type in large case letters your comments become irrelevant. Had to rad so not worth wasting time on. If you want to get a point across try using lower case wording. Just saying.

        • LINDITA

          AS PEOPLE, IRRELEVANT IS TO BELIEVE THAT TRIBE ROOT IN PREDATORY GREEK TRYING TO REPLACE CAPITALISM SYSTEM WITH FASCISM REGIME. THIS IS TRIBE GREEK IRRELEVANT LOOKING TO WIN INDEPENDENCE IN A COUNTRY HOST. SHAME ON YOU! FASCISM IS THE HATEFUL REGIME.

        • LINDITA

          AS PEOPLE, PREDATORY TRIBE GREEK ONE PERCENT IN AMERICA AND BEYOND ARE TRYING TO INSTALL FASCISM REGIME. JUST SAYING.

  • LINDITA

    AS PEOPLE, WHEN OBAMA SAID I’M GOING FOR VACATION OR TO FIX THIS AND THAT WE THINK IN OPPOSITE? HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN?…

  • LINDITA

    AS PEOPLE, ALL OF US ARE A RACIST. SOME MORE, SOME LESS THAN OTHERS. BUT, THE BIGGEST RACIST ARE PREDATORY TRIBE ROOT IN A GREEK, ROOT IN HITLER. THIS RACE IS COWARD AND CRUEL. OBAMA BECOME TRIBE’S PRESIDENT. AMERICANS ARE ONLY PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD THAT DON’T HAVE A PRESIDENT? THAT’S WHY WE ARE NOT SAFE HERE AND BEYOND?….

    • Jimmy G

      Obama ain’t worth your time. He is meaningless.

  • LINDITA

    AS PEOPLE, ALL OF US ARE A RACIST. SOME MORE, SOME LESS THAN OTHERS. BUT, THE BIGGEST RACIST ARE PREDATORY TRIBE ROOT IN A GREEK, ROOT IN HITLER. THIS RACE IS COWARD AND CRUEL. OBAMA BECOME TRIBE’S PRESIDENT. AMERICANS ARE ONLY PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD THAT DON’T HAVE A PRESIDENT? THAT’S WHY WE ARE NOT SAFE HERE AND BEYOND?….

  • Jimmy G

    We shipped our manufacturing jobs out of America (blue collar
    White/black workers) and replaced them with housing, urban sprawl, road
    construction (blue collar Brown workers) This started back in the 70’s
    and really got going in the 80’s & 90’s

    Consume less than you produce. Have no debt Pay no interest. It’s never too late to get started. There is plenty of work to be had, you just have to go
    out everyday, kill it and drag it home.

    Stop spending your money on BS
    Eat at home
    Cut your own grass
    Clean your own house
    Downsize your house
    Live next to your work
    But HEY, there is a reason America is not mentioned in Revelation.

  • Jimmy G

    We shipped our manufacturing jobs out of America (blue collar
    White/black workers) and replaced them with housing, urban sprawl, road
    construction (blue collar Brown workers) This started back in the 70’s
    and really got going in the 80’s & 90’s

    Consume less than you produce. Have no debt Pay no interest. It’s never too late to get started. There is plenty of work to be had, you just have to go
    out everyday, kill it and drag it home.

    Stop spending your money on BS
    Eat at home
    Cut your own grass
    Clean your own house
    Downsize your house
    Live next to your work
    But HEY, there is a reason America is not mentioned in Revelation.

  • LINDITA

    AS PEOPLE, WE SPEND MORE TIME DEDICATED OBAMA’S SCANDALS IN HALF DECADE THAN TAKING CARE ABOUT THE CHILDREN AND OUR FAMILY? WE NEVER HEARD FROM THOSE SCANDALS IN BUSH TIME? SO, WE NEED TO BE SAFE AGAIN.

  • LINDITA

    AS PEOPLE, WE SPEND MORE TIME DEDICATED OBAMA’S SCANDALS IN HALF DECADE THAN TAKING CARE ABOUT THE CHILDREN AND OUR FAMILY? WE NEVER HEARD FROM THOSE SCANDALS IN BUSH TIME? SO, WE NEED TO BE SAFE AGAIN.

  • LINDITA

    AS PEOPLE, FIRST WE NEED TO SAY GOODBYE OBAMA’S ADMINISTRATION, US GOVERNMENT, WHITE HOUSE USED TO WORK TRIBE PEOPLE. AFTER THAT, WILL BE BACK OUR PERSONALITY, DIGNITY, JOBS, LOVE, MONEY, BREATH, JOY. AMEN!

    • Robbie

      Please look over your messages before posting and make the appropriate corrections so we can understand what you’re saying.

  • LINDITA

    AS PEOPLE, FIRST WE NEED TO SAY GOODBYE OBAMA’S ADMINISTRATION, US GOVERNMENT, WHITE HOUSE USED TO WORK TRIBE PEOPLE. AFTER THAT, WILL BE BACK OUR PERSONALITY, DIGNITY, JOBS, LOVE, MONEY, BREATH, JOY. AMEN!

  • 5live5

    All this and I have a message in my inbox that claims that Braaaaak and Mooshelle have made over 7 million dollars since he was elected. I don’t begrudge anybody their profits from investments, but when he makes decisions that effect the economy, well……..!

  • Ron r

    Makes one wonder just how much Cheney made off with considering his secret oil meeting.

    • WTS/JAY

      Your know you’re no longer living in a free Country when even Vladimir Putin is starting to sound more sane than your Government!

      • Ron r

        When a soviet anyone sounds more same than any American president the person or persons listening are from communist sleeper cells .the same people who think Snowden is a hero for selling secrets to foreign nationals.

        • WTS/JAY

          Regarding the “Irony” of the Snowden incident: Remember when Russians used to come seeking asylum in the United States, instead of the other way around?

          • Ron r

            Spy’s go where they are welcome when they betray their country. Unless it is ok to do this because there is a black man in Washington who happens to be president. But , then the traitor is at last count the only American to flee to Russia .

          • Barakolips

            When Obama was elected I was very disappointed but at the same time felt almost a sense of empathy for the blacks that they finally had one of their own as president, that they would see this and be given a sense of hope. But now,after five years? Lets try for a woman next, and not Hillary! I wasn’t predjudiced before Oballah, now I am!

        • Don 2

          What were the secrets Snowden sold, who were the foreign nationals he sold them to, and how much did he sell them for?

    • TIGGER

      I wonder how many millions Obama & Holder have made off with, through their “FAST & FURIOUS” negotiations with the South American drug cartels.

      • Ron r

        Not as much as Reagan made from as to contras and arms to Iran

        • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

          I wonder how many millions the Kenyan fraud, hillary & holder have made off through the arming Al-Qaeda, muslim brotherhood and the Syrian rebels and Afghan drug cartels?

          • Dave

            Only an idiot like you would accuse Obama of sympathizing with the various Muslim extremists groups in the face of the liberal use of drones in other sovereign nations airspace, the death of OBL on his orders and the death and capture of much of the Al Qaeda leadership.
            But you are an easily led conservative robot. So keep doing as you are instructed.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Do you have any proof that OBL was killed, Dave?

          • Dave

            The SEAL team involved, The Gov… which by my addition is two more credible sources that you can offer up that this was an elaborate coverup.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You mean the Seal Team that were “killed by Taliban” just 3 months later? How coincidental.
            http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/08/06/seal-team-6-marines-who-killed-osama-bin-laden-died-in-helicopter-crash-ap/
            The Government is about as credible as you are, Dave.
            Here’s the story of another guy that got in the way:
            http://www.infowars.com/articles/military/tillman_new_evidence_indicates_tillman_executed.htm

          • Dave

            DaveH8,

            Once again, DaveH8 brings in a non sequitor in the Pat Tillman nonsense. But we are supposed to believe his one conservative extremist site over personal accounts from members of the team that were there.

            Way to go DaveH8, I know you hate Obama but try not to let your emotions interfere with reality. That is tough for you I know.

            Samuai, the non patriot theorcrat…. Well thought out response… “no body, no death?

            At Last Alondra is honest… She admits to being a complete ignoramous.

            “Proud Birther, homophobe and islamophobe”
            But we always knew she was completely useless.
            Keep trying my little Anti-American racist conservatives… The lowest common denominator may buy your BS, but thinking people understand that all of you are just simply the town idiot, you just have a computer now so you can link with your fellow idiots.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            As usual Unhinged Dave substitutes ad hominem attacks for facts.
            Personal accounts from the people who killed him? That’s a laugh riot, Unhinged Dave. I thought you were against military action against those who haven’t attacked us? What a hypocrite.
            There are lots of accounts about the Pat Tillman story for anybody who is really interested.

          • Dave

            DaveH8,
            What does Pat Tillman have to do with this thread? Nothing… Keep pushing for the demise of this country from whatever land you come from. We know what your MO is DaveH8

          • Ron r

            Do you have proof he’s not??

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            No body, no death. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Dave: “capture of much of the Al Qaeda leadership.”
            Oh, REALLY? Then WHY the Kenyan BAstard on the run?
            They just wanted to sing him “Happy birthday, Bastard barry”

          • Ron r

            That is very Christian of you lady evil. bastard, bastard, bastard, oh sorry I mean birther, birther, birther!!!

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Apology accepted.
            Best wishes,
            Alondra – Proud Birther, homophobe and islamophobe.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Only a complete IDIOT like you will deny UNDENIABLE, argue UNARGUABLE and defend INDEFENSIBLE
            So keep serving your master. You earned your carrot.

          • Don 2

            OBL, a Wahabbi of the Sunni sect, and the al-Qaeda he lead, wanted to take down the ruling Saudi kingdom. Your dear leader, the guy who bows to the Saudi king, supports the kingdom.

          • Dave

            As did Bush 2, Clinton, Bush 1, Reagan… they all support the saudi kingdom too… get it?
            Your boy George W. Bush made out with the Saudi King or did you forget?
            I want to cut the Saudis off at the knees… They are not our friends. They are a bunch of conservative extremists like you and Alondra. They, like you are completely useless

          • Don 2

            Gee Dave, you are such an angry little man. Did you ever seek counseling for that anger?

            Lest you forget, Bush 2, Clinton, Bush 1, and Reagan are not in elective office these days. However, Obama, the guy who bows to his king is, and he is the one you should be talking about…..not dead guys and powerless former leaders from the past. Time to get up to speed David!

            Since you say that you want to cut the Saudis off at the knees, how exactly do you propose that we do that with Mr. Green Jeans in the WH?

            Signed: Yours truly,
            Conservative Extremist

          • Ron r

            I hope millions. Let a brother make some cash !!! Tricks his way into the whitehouse, now he’s making money and not a damn thing you or birthers can do. Except maybe give a lap dance .

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            You just “hope”? How about “Change”?
            …lap dance like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-3wC7gkMDQ
            Or like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsWpvkLCvu4
            Or this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlfwZbyWpas

          • Ron r

            don’t care to visit anything you post. so don’t waste your time. you do enough of that with your birther nonsense.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Ron, do not be so monotonously boring. Relax boy

          • Ron r

            Ok girly but don’t be so darn birtherish. Relax.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            I am relaxed. And please, do not Plagiarize me.
            I told you, you left-winger are too stupidly ignorant and boring. Tell me, What you want from me? To convert into the satanic Liberalism? To accept your “leader’s” lies?
            Why do not you go to talk with Karolyn? She will understand and support you.
            Go to sleep and listen this innocent song. My grandson likes it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yeshi980iMY

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            I am relaxed. And please, do not Plagiarize me.
            I told you, you left-winger are too stupidly ignorant and boring. Tell me, What you want from me? To convert into the satanic Liberalism? To accept your “leader’s” lies?
            Why do not you go to talk with Karolyn? She will understand and support you.
            Go to sleep and listen this innocent song. My grandson likes it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yeshi980iMY

          • Ron r

            Lady , beleive me I take no pride I’m posting with a birther. I just responded to your stupid response. Don’t get it twisted .

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Oh, keep taliking, Libtard. You aren’t a gentlmen and NEVER were.

            “You Can’t Fix Stupid. Stupid is FOR-EVER” – Ron White

          • Ron r

            Yeah.

          • Don 2

            Show us ‘your’ proof. Put up or shut up!

          • Don 2

            Let a brother spend some cash, like the $787 billion of taxpayers money in the 2009 stimulus package, 75% of which went to support the greedy unions and elect Dumocrats. What exactly do Americans have to show for this huge debt? You have to help pay this debt back and there is not a damn thing you can do about it Ron r, except maybe give your dear leader a lap dance.

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          Not as much as Obama bin Laden and Eric “Dead Agent” Holder made by selling weapons to the Mexican drug cartels. Here are 2 articles that Ameica shold heed to.
          http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/94-year-old-billy-grahams-warning-for-america/
          http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/08/senator-ted-cruz-calls-for-spiritual-revival-hes-correct-we-need-it/
          Why don’t you heed their advice and go back to church? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
          “As the safety and prosperity of nations ultimately and essencially depend on the protection and blessing of Almighty God: and the national acknowledgement of this truth is not only an indispensible duty which the people owe to Him, but a duty whose natural influence is favorable to the promotion of that morality and piety. Without which social happiness cannot exist, or the blessings of a free government be enjoyed.”
          John Adams
          Fasting and Prayer Proclamation of 1798

          • Ron r

            Yeah.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Alright. You agreed with me. I see that you are starting to come into the light. Here is an article that you should read about our Constitution.
            http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/government/us_constitution/news.php?q=1308252582
            Here is a video about our country and how we were founded.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VUo80uFail
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
            “Religion is the only solid basis of good morals; therefore education should teach the precepts of religion, and the duties of man towards God.”
            Gouverneur Morris
            Founding Father
            Devout Christian

          • Ron r

            NO!!!!!

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            So, now you are saying no because you were wrong? No problem! The bigger man would always admit when they are wrong. Thanks for being the bigger man. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out. Isn’t this past your bed time?

          • Ron r

            I’m saying I don’t want to engage in your fantasy land Mohammad samurai.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Mohammad? I could have sworn that I wasn’t Muslim. Fantasy Land? This coming from someone with no facts or sources? Ha, ha, ha, ha! Here is an article that shows how Obama bin Laden is a citizen of Indonesia.
            http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/12035/obama-was-indonesian-citizen-when-attending-occidental-college-claims-witness-to-records/
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
            “There are no atheists in fox holes.”
            Samurai
            USA, INF, E7, 11H, Retired

          • Ron r

            Yeah. Is there something wrong with being Muslim ?

          • Don 2

            Absolutely, if you hold elected office in the United States. Islam is not compatible with the U.S. Constitution, or didn’t you know that Mr. Brainiac?

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Is there something right about believing in a way that says beating and killing your wife is OK? How about your religion actually being a cult? How about believing in a book that tellsthat destroying the enemies of Islam will get you into heaven? How about believing in a false god? Enough said. Here is an article from a real American woman.
            http://www.townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/2013/08/09/the-filthy-filner-coverup-n1659801/page/full
            Just another fine example of a left wing wacko. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
            “Christ is our temple, in whom by faith all believers meet.”
            Matthew Henry

          • Ron r

            So the samurai treated their women with dignity and respect??

          • Katrael

            How true the words of John Adams. More people need to pay attention to men like him.

        • Don 2

          Please enlighten us Ron. Exactly how much did Reagan make?

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      Cheney, baaaaa! Oil, baaaaa! Chaaaaange! Can you sheeple ever wake up? Sheesh! Here are some article that describe Obama bin Laden, his administration,
      http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/eyewitness-to-total-tyranny-and-how-one-man-detonated-it/
      http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/trinity-church-members-reveal-obama-shocker/
      http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/08/senator-dianne-feinstein-the-nsa-consider-canada-mexico-as-part-of-the-homeland/
      http://www.freedomoutpost.com/2013/08/why-wont-they-tell-us-the-truth-about-nsa-spying/
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.
      “Whereas the Congress of the United States, by a joint resolution of the Houses, have signified a request, that a day may be recommended, to be observed by the People of the United States, with religious solemnity, as a day of public Humiliation and Prayer, and whereas such a recommendation will enable the several religious denominations and societies so disposed, to offer, at one and the same time, their common vows and adorations to Almighty God, on the solemn occaision produced by the war, in which He has been pleased to permit the injustice of a foreign power to involve these United States.”
      John Adams
      Humiliation and Prayer Proclamation of 1812

  • rbrooks

    this was predicted long before 2008.

    some of the cause

    the second industrial revolution.
    over population.
    manipulated labor

    distribution of created wealth
    an apathetic public
    a corrupt govt supporting corruption

    obama is just one more in a long line of worthless politicians.

    this did not start with him and it will not end with him.

    • TheOriginalDaveH

      Hong Kong is one of the most prosperous countries on this Earth and their population density is 5 times that of New Jersey — our most population dense State.

      • rbrooks

        lol. depends on your, and the peoples republic of china, definition of prosperous.

        rather than discuss your definition, perhaps you could show any relevance between hong kong, new jersey and worldwide population problems. the adverse job loss of industrialization.

        or you can keep blaming obama, liberals, progressives, rino’s, neo cons, or anyone else that does not follow your particular ideals.

        give us another rockwell link. lol.

        • TheOriginalDaveH

          rbrooks says — “lol. depends on your, and the peoples republic of china, definition of prosperous”.
          LOL? Are your eyes rolling and looking askew, also? It’s amazing what childish manipulators you Liberal Progressives are. But keep it up. You guys are the best eye-openers for all the brainwashed minions out there.
          No rbrooks, it doesn’t depend on my definition of prosperous. It is just fact. Hong Kong’s per capita GDP on a PPP basis is higher than the US:
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
          Hong Kong’s Population Density is 6782 per square mile.
          New Jersey’s Population Density is 1,205 per square mile.
          Do you Liberal Progressives do any studying at all before shooting off your mouths, rbrooks?

          • Dave

            So Hong Kong is the ideal?

            http://www.gov.hk/en/residents/health/hosp/overview.htm

            So Hong Kong is a city with no resources of it own… And a limited mind such as yours think of some other differences that might make NJ different from Hong Kong?

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Your comment makes no sense, Dave, as usual.
            rbrooks was stating that Population size was responsible for our economic problems, and I refuted that soundly.
            Here’s another statistic:
            Hong Kong spends 19% of their GDP on Government. The US spends 42% of their GDP on Government.

          • rbrooks

            lol. you have not refuted anything.

            you did manage to leave this out.

            i’ll use wiki since you find it credible.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_Hong_Kong

            their minimum wage is more to your liking.

            http://hongkongbusiness.hk/economy/in-focus/minimum-wage-increase-may-1-2013

            they have the highest rental rates per square foot in the world.

            this just another of your diversionary attempts davey.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Flashman says — “lol. you have not refuted anything”.
            Ah yes, the familiar Liberal Manipulative techniques of laughing or rolling their eyes — anything but facts.
            Sure I did, Flashman. The fact that you are too ignorant to know it isn’t my problem.
            What exactly are you trying to point out with the Wikipedia article?
            Their minimum wage? So what? You Liberal Progressives should be enchanted by that, but it has nothing to do with population size leading to bad economy. Neither do their rental rates.
            Minimum wage laws would be better named Unemployment Wage Laws, because they just result in people losing their jobs. If a company can’t make a profit by paying their employees higher rates, they have no choice but to lay off some of those employees, making the remaining employees responsible for picking up the slack. Or, the companies go out of business in which case all the employees are out of luck. If Minimum Wage Laws were the ticket to Prosperity, then why stop at $9/hr (in the US). Why not just mandate wages of $100/hr? Of course that would result in the collapse of the economy, and the Leaders know it, so they set a lower minimum wage whose ill effects won’t be so obvious to the kind of ignorant people that Flashman and his fellow Shills cater to.
            https://www.mises.org/daily/6097
            This is just one of the many reasons our country is going into the toilet, thanks to Flashman and his crew of Liberal Progressives who are feathering their nests from the wallets of Productive Americans.

          • Bill

            Hi Dave,
            I like your analogy of Hong Kong. Three of my clients are from Hong Kong and one still lives there, It is my favorite city in the world. Talk about a vibrant free market economy. The irony is that it is owned by the communists. However, they are not stupid enough to spoil the golden goose that lays the golden eggs, they have been poor too long.
            We are the ones that are so stupid to want to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs

          • rbrooks

            the crux of little waynes story is that we have too many unemployed and under employed. a trend that has continued for almost 35 years.

            your poor attempt at using hong kong as a diversionary issue from the reality of over population.

            hong kong suffers from the same problems we do. as does the rest of the world.

            an increasing unemployment rate and under employment rate. the only reason their under employment has improved a small amount was the result of their passing a minimum wage law.

            you would have to show an example that had eliminated unemployment and under employment or at the very least was drastically reducing both.

            and you would need to show that future job growth and wages were were going to keep pace with future population growth and inflation.

            you have failed miserably, again.

            we tried your wage policy. it failed. more than once.

            http://finance.yahoo.com/news/worker-wages–wendy-s-vs–wal-mart-vs–costco-155815763.html

            the above shows the fallacy of your low wage argument.

            all your posts ever present is another opportunity to deflect, divert and make use of terms that you have no clue about.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            So you’re saying we don’t need unions, Flashman?
            I agree.

          • rbrooks

            we should eliminate unions and labor laws. allowing you and the other faithful few to be the slaves you are fighting so hard to be.
            i know you are convinced you will be the master of that new plantation, but you are just not cut out for it.
            not to worry, the new master will soon learn that you slaves are not a source of revenue. you are actually a liability.
            should be amusing to watch your philosophy play out.

            tho you can find the results of your zero labor protection in many country’s today.
            $.35 an hour. poor working conditions and products must be exported. simply because the low wage workers are unable to afford that product.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Slaves work for people against their will. Like those who live in your Liberal Progressive Society who work for you against their will. That explains your familiarity with plantations and masters, Flashman.

          • rbrooks

            lol. you really believe those minimum wage workers are willing workers.

            comrade dave is a fitting name for you.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Funny, a commie advocate calling me comrade.
            Enlighten us, Flashman. Did somebody make them work?

          • rbrooks

            yes comrade davey, someone did make them work.

            it is interesting that your own examples are of communism that you claim is a more prosperous standard of living.

            http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/trending-now/man-converts-nyc-dumpster-home-185108416.html?vp=1

            this is your vision of the comrade dave new standard of living in america.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            You have no credibility, Flashman, and things like the above prove it.

          • rbrooks

            comrade dave is now chairman davey. speaking for the entire communist party.

          • Bill

            Rbrooks,
            You obviously don’t get out very much. If you would go to Hong Kong, you might think differently. But then again, you are a socialist. You should move to Detroit and enjoy the benefits of the system you promote.
            It should start with you leaving your parents basement and getting a taste of the real world

          • rbrooks

            you should try an education. then you would know the meaning of the word socialism and socialist.
            like most of the faithful few, you are unable to communicate beyond the kindergarten recess.

          • Bill

            Testy, Testy
            Don’t get your panties in a twist

          • rbrooks

            the most amusing part of this site is how seriously you faithful few take your selves.

            well, that, and the amount of ignorance shown in the faithfuls posts.

          • Bill

            Hi Dave,
            Hong Kong’s success is because they promote the free marketplace. They have streamlined their public sector through outsourcing and it has become so effiecient that they refunded $6,000 to every resident.
            Another key to their success is that they only have one tax. Business’s are taxed 17% on their net and indiviuals are taxed 15% on their income. There are no other taxes.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Thanks, Bill.

          • rbrooks

            numbers derived from?

          • TheOriginalDaveH
          • rbrooks

            meaningless. does not state what was included or excluded to derive those numbers.

            this is an interesting bit from your link.

            Hong Kong has one of the world’s most prosperous economies, thanks to a
            commitment to small government, low taxes, and light regulation. Major
            industries include financial services and shipping; manufacturing has
            largely migrated to the mainland. Concerns include cronyism in
            policymaking, state control of land, and restrictions on the free flow
            of information.<

            that and the fact it is a communist country. a bit hilarious that you use that system as an example of economic success.

            shall we call you comrade dave.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            As usual, Flashman pulls facts out of his hiney.

          • rbrooks

            as usual you are unable to dispute any portion of that post. so you resort to your childish temper tantrums.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            Flashman, who do you think you’re kidding? You have no credibility on this board. Even the most ignorant PL reader wouldn’t take your word for anything. So I needn’t worry about you influencing anybody. You need to take it to Daily Kos or some Union Website where the people are ignorant enough to buy your trash.

          • rbrooks

            comrade dave is lost again.

            you prove how ignorant the average faith fool is on this board.

          • rbrooks

            you trust the communists ‘facts’ being reported on wiki, lol, when it is convenient for you.
            are you advocating bringing that prosperous communism to the states.
            do you find communism to a better form of socialism.
            were you moving to prosperous hong kong.

            as usual, you completely ignore the relevance.

            have you fixed those roads in nh yet?
            you haven’t created any jobs, other than the ones in your imagination.

          • TheOriginalDaveH

            As usual, Flashman has nothing to offer but double-speak.

          • rbrooks

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29_per_capita

            hong kong is one spot ahead of the u.s. in three graphs and several spots behind in the last.

  • WTS/JAY

    Ex Military Bio-Environmental Engineer Kristen Meghan Blows Whistle On Air Force Chemtrails…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mI10oFSUfQY

  • tgt

    I predict this fool makes more money selling books to ignorant people that believe everything they read

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      That sure does describe Obama bin Laden. Here is an article about Obama bin Laden Care.
      http://www.investors.com/politics-andrew-malcolm/080313-666163-susan-collins-republican-remarks-obamacare-hurts-workers.htm?p=full
      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.”
      Benjamin Franklin

      • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

        Daniel Kessler, WSJ, June 3, 2013

        Under “obamacare” age 25:
        CA male living in San Francisco will pay 62% more per month
        OR male living in Portland will pay 78% more per month
        Missouri – 89% more
        Indiana – 91% more
        Nevada – 101% more
        http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/america-live/index.html#http://video.foxnews.com/v/2589494424001/insurance-policy-holders-receiving-cancellation-letters/?playlist_id=87651

        This is too much insurance, but not enough healthcare. All
        is designed for people to die sooner / in early stages of their disease/ illness/ sickness/ disorder

        Wasn’t Sarah Palin attacked and ridiculed for the “Death panel” myth?

      • rbrooks

        http://www.sr1776.org/

        will you be joining?

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          Sorry dude, but I cannot make contact with this site. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot. This leaves you out.

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            Samurai, welcome home. How was trip?
            Why you “cannot make contact with this site”? The connection wasn’t good?

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Thanks Alondra. Yes, the trip was great, except it rained 2.5 weeks out of 4, but otherwise, it was great. I got to meet my in laws and see friends I hadn’t seen in 2 years. My computer keeps redirecting me to google, but then it tells me it is impossible to connect to the site, so I do not know how good the site is. Here is a video showing that 8th graders, 100 years ago, were smarter than many of the college grads of today.
            http://www.conservativevideos.com/2013/08/were-american-students-smarter-100-years-ago/
            Here are other videos that you might want to watch about Obama bin Laden.
            1. Obama bin Laden’s war crimes.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNNQ1SfVKQU
            2. The Obama bin Laden song.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UtL3maK8aU
            3. The Obama bin Laden national anthem.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyDrtNEr_5M
            FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “A patriot must be a religious man.”
            Thomas Jefferson
            Signer of the Declaration of Independence
            3rd President of the U.S.
            Orthodox Christian

          • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

            When I was in Spain and Israel, I had problems with some Websites too.

            Before I went to Spain, my computer was twice attacked by virus. I thought I am going to lose my files, but my son fixed it and did copy my files on the disk.

            Now stop to fight with the Krazy libs, relax and listen this beautiful song “Yerushalayim/ Jerusalem” by Jewish Boys Choir http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqHrKc0DEgw
            I hope you’ll like it. When I listen, it brings me to Israel.
            God bless you and yours.

          • http://batman-news.com samurai

            Interseting, but I couldn’t understand it, because I don’t understand Hebrew. Here is a good song for you and yours.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXh7JR9oKVE
            Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
            You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
            “A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prize that rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the region of ignorance that tyranny begins.”
            Benjamin Franklin
            Founding father
            Devout Christian
            *I’m trying to keep my students from being ignorant.

          • me

            People need to go online and check out the “Obama Deception online. You’ll sit there and repeat damn, damn all the way thru it.

          • rbrooks

            The Sons of the Revolution

            leaves you out sammy

      • Elton Robb

        Jefferson said that.

    • http://cowboybyte.com/ Alondra

      Why wouldn’t YOU to write the book for “ignorant people” and make MONEY?

    • Don 2

      And Detroit didn’t really go bankrupt either, did it tgt?

  • Motov

    Welcome to the NWO, I hope you find it to your liking.Hahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhaha

    your Emperor/King Barack Insane Obozo

  • 5live5

    Watch the news in the next few weeks. If they don’t manage to sweep it under the carpet, there are rumors of possible wrong doings, finance wise, by Hitlerys brother and a certain oriental foreign national!!

    • http://batman-news.com samurai

      How’s it going fellow patriot? Long time, no see. Sook Young says hello. Here is an interesting article that talks about how no law should be longer than the Constitution.
      http://www.godfatherpolitics.com/11560/no-law-should-ever-be-longer-than-the-constitution/
      After the article, in the comments, read what grannylake posted. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
      You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.
      “May this territory (Washington, D.C.) be the residence of virtue and happiness! In this city, may that piety and virtue, that wisdom and magnanimity, that consistancy and self government which adorned the great character whose name it bears, be forever held in veneration! Here and throughout our country, may simple manners, pure morals, and true religion flourish forever!”
      John Adams
      Signer of the Bill of Rights
      2nd President of the U.S.
      Devout Christian

      • 5live5

        Samurai, my very good friend!!! And Sook young as well. Well that makes my night. I’ve missed you two. hope all is as well as can be for you both. As you see, I haven’t gone away, just taken a new handle as the site didn’t appreciate the old one. I still try to check up on you guys from time to time as I do all my considered friends here. Heck, sometimes I even look in on BOB!! I feel I have made some very good friends here and I hope to not lose them like I did on the old Glen Beck. I miss English Rose from there and a couple of others. Best of health to both of you and stay sharp.

        • http://batman-news.com samurai

          Same to you and yours. Keep up the good fight fellow patriot. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY! 하나님하고 나라를 위해서!
          You need both love of country and faith in GOD to be a patriot.

      • Bert Cundle

        Hi Samurai: If you Love your Country So Much… Why arn’t you there? Why are you a Devout Christian? Or did you mean JOHN ADAMS?
        Our Constitution is going the way of the Bible… Historic, Vague, And under Atack my Moderination!
        This Country Needs More than Fath! Needs a Good Sifting!

        • Elton Robb

          Yeah, don’t worry. The eagle will be plucked.

  • WTS/JAY

    Russian Leader Warns, “Get All Money Out Of Western Banks Now! United States are preparing for the largest theft of private wealth in modern history.

    WorldTruthTVA Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) “urgent bulletin” being sent to Embassies around the world today is advising both Russian citizens and companies to begin divesting their assets from Western banking and financial institutions “immediately” as Kremlin fears grow that both the European Union and United States are preparing for the largest theft of private wealth in modern history.According to this “urgent bulletin,” this warning is being made at the behest of Prime Minister Medvedev who warned against the Western banking systems actions against EU Member Cyprus by stating:“All possible mistakes that could be made have been made by them, the measure that was proposed is of a confiscation nature, and unprecedented in its character. I can’t compare it with anything but … decisions made by Soviet authorities … when they didn’t think much about the savings of their population. But we are living in the 21st century, under market economic conditions.

    Everybody has been insisting that ownership rights should be respected.”Medvedev’s statements echo those of President Putin who, likewise, warned about the EU’s unprecedented private asset grab in Cyprus calling it “unjust, unprofessional, and dangerous.”

    http://countdowntozerotime.com/2013/08/08/russian-leader-warns-get-all-money-out-of-western-banks-now-united-states-are-preparing-for-the-largest-theft-of-private-wealth-in-modern-history/

  • WTS/JAY

    BLOOMBERG WARNS NEW YORK MAY BE NEXT TO GO BANKRUPT

    As New York City wrestles with rising pension and health care costs, Mayor Michael Bloomberg has warned that the city runs a real risk of bankruptcy like Detroit. Detroit’s bankruptcy and the problems facing its pension funds have concerned many states and cities across America with Mayor Bloomberg becoming the latest official to warn that his city may go the way of Detroit. Detroit in the state of Michigan has become the largest US city to file for bankruptcy over its more than $18 billion debt. Half of the city’s debt comes from pension and retiree health care costs.

    Bloomberg called on New York City and its next mayor to address the rising burdens of pensions and healthcare to protect the city from insolvency. ”The next mayor will have an unprecedented opportunity to win pension and health care changes from the City’s labor unions,” he said during a speech Tuesday. In 2002, pension costs in the city were $1.4 billion, today they are $8 billion a year. ”So clearly, our increase in annual pension costs, which today total more than eight billion US dollars per year, was the result of a benefit structure that promises retirees too much too soon, and requires them to contribute too little to pay for it,” the mayor said. Bloomberg further warned that manufacturing sector was weakening in New York City which was once one of the manufacturing centers in the United States.

    Chicago, the third-largest city in the United States and hometown of President Barack Obama, is also facing a public pension crisis that threatens to upend its finances.

    http://endtimeheadlines.wordpress.com/2013/08/07/bloomberg-warns-new-york-may-be-next-to-go-bankrupt/

    • Don 2

      After 12 years of ruling NYC, this little dictator wannabe now decides to shout a warning, when he is on his way out the door. Can’t say NYC does not deserve its fate. They keep electing freedom-stealing commies like Bloomberg and Cuomo. The chicken-n-s-s have come home to roost!

    • popham

      Chicago is also on the brink of bankruptcy, according to
      Obama’s buddy, Rahm Emmanuel.

  • WTS/JAY

    Barack Obama Says It’s “Unfortunate” More Americans Aren’t Dying From Terrorist Attacks (VIDEO)

    http://theulstermanreport.com/2013/08/07/barack-obama-says-its-unfortunate-more-americans-arent-dying-from-terrorist-attacks-video/

  • WTS/JAY

    Groomed by the Muslim Brotherhood—is Obama the Muslim nation’s new caliph? Try to remove him and see “jihad” as never imagined before!

    Obama is galvanizing (uniting) the Muslim nation.

    The Muslim Brotherhood is primarily Sunni, one of the two major sects of Islam and which the majority of Muslims are, including all in Indonesia where Obama was in his most formative years raised by his Muslim stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, and where his name was Barry Soetoro, not Barack Obama. And now he is aiding the Muslim Brotherhood with American tax-dollars and weapons to overthrow the Shia sect in Syria.

    The Shia Muslims in Syria were until recently aided by the mullahcracy in Iran and Hezbollah in Lebanon, both are Shia Muslims. But don’t misunderstand, the violent conflict between Sunni and Shia sects (seen in Iraq and Syria today) has always been temporary, i.e., until a new caliph is chosen.

    NOTE: Mohammad gave no directions as to the choosing of his successor. There were two customary means of selecting a leader — having a hereditary leader, or choosing someone when OPPORTUNITIES for action arise, i.e., opportunities to conquer (dominate) the world in accordance with the Qur’an…

    read more: https://ofthehighest.wordpress.com/2013/04/23/groomed-by-the-muslim-brotherhood-is-barack-obama-the-muslim-nations-new-caliph-try-to-remove-him-and-see-jihad-as-never-imagined-before/

  • popham

    Well, Mr. Root’s statments are quite accurate. Our once great economy is
    of course unsustsainable, and has been irreversably damaged, especially
    in the last five years. The few people who are working and paying for the
    housing, food and medical needs of the majority of Americans will not be able
    or perhaps willing, to continue subsidizing freebies to non-workers.
    And the Fed propping up the market every month with $85 billion in
    ‘borrowed’ funds? The vast amounts of money that the U.S. gives to
    countries that hate us?
    We would allow for approximately 31 days before another economic/fiscal
    crash, that will likely be worse than 2007-08.
    Good luck, America.

    • Don Berry

      …and of course your Messiah has been predicting this since 2009, when that horrible Muslim/socialist/commie/pinko/queer/racist/facist/gun-seizing (let’s see, did I leave out any GOP talking points?) Things have gotten better, but let’s keep repeating the Faux News mantra like the good sheeple that we are…

  • wandamurline

    Every Obama voter should get to see this video because it is coming to them if it has not already arrived. Thank you you bunch of imbecilic morons for giving us another four of this crap.

  • Bragos

    Wayne Allyn Root, it wil not be complete until your millions are in the public domain and you are sent packing from the American psyche

  • Progressive Republican

    he only thing accurate about the above drivel are SOME of the facts. A lot up there is disingenuous innuendo. [Crap] like, “First, almost 50 percent of Americans have less than $500 in savings., etc.”

    Surprise! This has been on course for thirty years, ever since median income leveled off due to the much ballyhooed “Reaganomics” that has brought the world’s economy to it’s knees.

    “Ditto for the American middle class. Obama has massacred it.”

    Um, no. Again, Reaganomics: Convincing poor people they can become rich by giving rich people more money. And the rubes bought it.

    “I’ve argued from day one that Obama’s goal was to create a two-class society.” Apparently ol’ Wayne failed to notice the previous quarter-century of the Rethuglicon war on the middle-class.

    “Look no further than the new immigration bill to see the final destruction of middle-class wages.”

    Somehow a thirteen-year long process that MIGHT grant citizenship to applicants that hasn’t been passed yet is already affecting the economy? Seriously?

    “Since the start of 2013, we’ve gained 953,000 jobs; but, amazingly, 731,000 of them are crummy, low-wage, part-time jobs. That’s means almost 80 percent of the jobs created in America are part-time jobs that won’t pay the bills of a typical middle-class lifestyle.”

    Liberals and other patriots have complained about this for DECADES! In especially the last fifteen or twenty years Rethuglicons have been using taxpayer money not only to subsidize Big Business’ profits and low effective tax rates, they’ve also used American tax dollars to ship living-wage American jobs out to other countries and then blaming those workers for their (and America’s)resultant fiscal problems. We were assured by Pres. Ronnie that this would work itself out with those jobs being replaced by new ones with similar incomes. Economists said that was a load of [crap]. Only one of them was right and it wasn’t Ronnie.

    “The best jobs are manufacturing jobs, etc.” See above.

    “The Obama Administration just hired a company to promote Obamacare over the phone to Americans. Guess what? Even those jobs are part-time, with no health insurance.”

    With Rethuglicon obstructionism and cries of “austerity!” running the show, no one should be surprised. It’s not like austerity has ever led to economic growth.

    “The head of the Internal Revenue Service just testified in front of Congress that he’d rather keep his own health insurance than switch to Obamacare, etc.”

    No surprise there since Obama’s ACTUAL proposal was for a universal healthcare system similar to what the rest of the developed world has. What we’re stuck with was authored by the extremely right-wing Heritage Foundation in the early ’90s and re-introduced as an alternative to Obama’s universal healthcare plan. He capitulated and this is what we’re stuck with.

    “And the second-biggest employer in America is now a temp agency. Good luck getting a quality job in this Obama economy.”

    This is not “Obama’s economy”. For it to be so, his economic policies would have to been enacted. This is clearly not the case. Calling this, “Obama’s economy” has a similar level of accuracy as when America’s favorite drug-add;ed pedophile announced that the shrub’s recession was now “the Obama recession” the minute Obama won the election MONTHS before being sworn in.

    “Food stamp rolls are growing 75 times as fast as employment.” Again, Rethuglicon obstructionism and their failed (again and again and again etc.) austerity pogrom. Except that the Rethuglicon-dominated House REMOVED the SNAP program form the farm subsidy bill for the first time in America history. Gotta pay for Big Agri-Business’ subsidies somehow, right? So what if REAL people starve. Corporations are people too, right? Sorta?

    “The national debt has increased by 50 percent under Obama, even though he promised to reduce it.”

    Only in the number of dollars. A more accurate comparison is the debt/GDP ratio wherein the national debt has increased by about half of ol’ Wayne’s assertions. And it’s STILL much lower than the debt/GDP ratio of 127% we had coming out of WWII. It’s a damned good thing Rethuglicon austerity didn’t take hold when Eisenhower was in office. We’d’ve been a third world nation by the time Ronnie committed his first act of treason to win the 1980 election.

    “Obama promised to reduce health insurance bills for an average American family by $2,500 per year. Instead, your health bills went up by $3,000 per year.”

    That’s again due to Rethuglicon obstructionism. With their insistence that it start be delayed until 2014, there was ample time for the medical insurance industry to jack up their prices before various parts containing costs and limiting profits took effect. Additionally, had Pres. Ronnie not exempted the medical insurance industry from anti-trust laws, our rates even five years ago would not have been nearly so high and cost-inefficient.

    “The men’s labor participation is the lowest rate ever measured… etc.”

    The aforementioned shipment of American jobs to other nations at taxpayer expense coupled with deliberate failed austerity. (I know it gets old seeing it over and over again. Just imagined having been victimized by Rethugloconism over and over again.)

    “And here’s the clincher: 90 million able-bodied, working-age Americans are not working.”

    Again, a lack of economic stimulus like what we saw after WWII which gave us new roads, new airports, new bridges, new hospitals, new highways, more scientific research, and (of course) a little thing commonly referred to as the Interstate Freeway System. Even with the unprecedented economic stimulus these projects provided it wan’t until around 1980 that the WWII debt was paid off.

    “All of this misery morphs together in one tragic new statistic of the Obama economy:”

    Again, the lie referring to a non-existent “Obama economy”.

    “There are more Americans getting “food assistance” checks (101 million) than working in the private sector (97 million).”

    Again, this has been happening for DECADES with Rethuglicons championing this as their version of progress. You have America’s largest employer (Wal-Mart, btw) telling their new hires how to get public assistance. So not ONLY are they getting tax breaks from local governments based on the premise of bringing in new jobs (discounting all the jobs lost from businesses closing due to the introduction of a Wal-Mart into the area), but most of those lost jobs were from business owners whose businesses went under and the local governments lost tax revenues from them. This coupled with FURTHER tax subsidies from state and federal coffers for SNAP program, energy assistance, etc. show companies like Wal-Mart to actually be a DRAIN on the economy.

    “We are certainly witnessing the complete destruction of the middle class. It’s been a purposeful plan by Obama from the first day — just as I predicted from the first day.”

    Again ignoring the previous quarter-century or so.

    “…(drivel)… That’s more than half a century of 100 percent Democrat rule, using the exact same policies as Obama.”

    Um, no. Annihilation by the deindustrialization fostered by previously listed Rethuglicon economic policies. Well, that mostly, but automation also plays a part.

    The remaining dreck it equally ridiculous, but I’ve run out of time. But I did want to mention one more of ol’ Wayne’s lies, “The EU is in the middle of a Great Depression.” They’re in trouble; big trouble, but the situation does not qualify as a Depression.

    All you’ve told us Wayne is how disingenuous, dishonest, and partisan you are. An honest, cognizant observer of economic history would know better than to write this.

    • Barakolips

      Your screen name is a complete lie, you are NOT even close to Republican therefore everytrhing you say is a LIE!!

      • Progressive Republican

        Nothing I wrote is untrue. Only a liar or an idiot writes what ol’ Wayne did and only idiots believe him.

  • Don Berry

    Dow Jones under Bush: 7000, or thereabouts. Dow Jones now: 15000, and more. All these fools spewing that Obama is so horrible can’t see past the end of their nose. Private business is where jobs are created; thanks to Republicans and their cuts, cuts, cuts in public sector jobs, those jobs have fallen off. If you want to look at the downfall of jobs in America, look no farther than Ronald Reagan. By opening the doors to business doing “whatever they want”, the private sector has decimated job creation (esp well paying jobs, jobs that lead to disposable income) in this country. There ought to be a law…in fact, a bunch of laws…but the GOP is against that, as well.

    • Barakolips

      Here we go again,blame the republicans! And about laws, there ought to be a law against moron sheeple like you. If you were in a dumbass contest you would come in third!

      • Don Berry

        Can’t make a valid argument, come up with some moronic names: libertarian/teabagger trademark! Enjoy your GOP kool-aid. They’re laughing all the way to the bank, at the dumbasses who support them.

    • Bert Cundle

      Dow Jones is bigger beacuse of the Forigners Buying it! Like our Land, & Laws…

      • Don Berry

        Everything in our country is for sale to the highest bidder. That’s free market capitalism, so embraced by the GOP and their devotees. I’d say there ought to be a law, but I know how everyone here hates government regulations…liberty, or control. Can’t have both.

        • Elton Robb

          Interesting word there you mispelled.

          • LINDITA

            AS PEOPLE, MISPELLED IS INTERESTING WORD THAT TRIBE GREEK DIDN’T WROTE CORRECTLY?….LA,LA,LA…..

          • Don Berry

            Fixed it for ‘ya…

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  • Drdetroitdanchap

    Chris Christie was just THANKING Obama for CONTINUING the BUSH policies—

    Do you know what is really funny? For years INDEPENDENT people yelled alarms over the Executive Orders and “signing statements” Bush was enacting. The jerks that supported him thought they were all just wonderful. NOW all those restrictions and destructions of YOUR CIVIL RIGHTS are in the hands of your WORSE NIGHTMARE. ROTFLMAO Sweet dreams you idiots.

    “Capitalism” must DIE. “capitalism” is as FOREIGN to American principles as communism.
    You are neither a CHRISTian nor an AMERICAN if you believe in the practices of USURY. You MOST DEFINITELY are NOT aligned with the Founding Fathers.
    USURYISM hates Freedom. Capitalism is the arch-enemy of Freedom and Liberty. About that “sacrosanct” capitalism. Is it EVER mentioned in the Constitution? Did the Founding Fathers believe in USURY? NO, they DID NOT believe in BANKER USURY. The Constitution protects PROPERTY, but I can’t seem to find CAPITALISM in there.
    Throughout history, even before the birth of Christ, usury has been denounced. Aristotle called the birth of money from money ” unnatural”. Today the Federal Reserve prints paper with numerical images and calls it money. The only standard applied today is a value based on speculation which is led by oil in the global economy. After that the debt game starts with values based on who owes what to whom.
    Some of the founding fathers like Thomas Jefferson called banks “more dangerous than standing armies.” Andrew Jackson told a group of bankers they were a “den of vipers and thieves.”
    And Jesus reacted this way — ” And He found in the temple those who sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers doing business. When he had made a whip of cords, He drove them from the temple, with the sheep and the oxen, and poured outthe changers’ of money and overturned the tables” ( John 2:14-15 ) – and President George Bush says Jesus is his favorite philosopher as he backs up the money changers of our times.

    • Bert Cundle

      Birth of Christ? { Chosen leaders: Is from the first two (2) people on earth!} Destroying “Banks” is Throwing the Baby out with the Bath Water…
      Jesus< "GOD With Us…" Is a blend of the many Sociaties God Made!
      Our duty is to use the Good of Each…
      Sure, good for some, may not be good for All… There fore: Respect the Rights, of others!

    • LINDITA

      WHO SAID THAT? AS PEOPLE WE KNOW JUST HITLER’S FOLLOWER AND TROUBLEMAKERS ROOT IN A PREDATORY TRIBE GREEK ARE USING BEFUDDLED WAY AND PLAYING A “HAMLET” DUE TO, THEY WANT TO INSTALL FASCISM REGIME FOCUS TO REALIZE FASCIST IDEA IN NEW YORK. WE, AMERICAN PEOPLE NEED TO PREPARED FOR THE FATALITY.

  • LINDITA

    AS SIMPLE PEOPLE, APPROPRIATE CORRECTION FOR US WE CAN USED THIS PROVERB ” THE DONKEY DIDN’T LAME FROM THE EARS”…..THIS IS WHAT AMERICANS SAID TO TRIBE GREEK. LA,LA,LA…..

  • LINDITA

    AS PEOPLE, TRIBE GREEK CANNOT WAIT TO SEE NEW YORK CITY WILL SINK UNDER THE BANKRUPTCY. THE PLAN TO CLOSED THE EMBASSY USED TO BE CATALYST. OBAMA WANTS TO TAKE OVER THE AIRLINE INDUSTRY CENTER IN NEW YORK. JUST HE DID WITH AUTO -INDUSTRY, ENERGY, BANKING AND HEALTH CARE . OBAMA TILL NOW GOT IT FOUR ISSUES AND WAITING TO HAS FIFTH THE PRESTIGIOUS TRAVEL COMPANIES WITH CENTER IN NEW YORK. OBAMA HAS A GOOD APPETITE. AND, EVERYBODY KNOWS THE APPETITE CAME FROM EATING. LA,LA,LA….

  • Eddie Lutz

    Liberals won’t be happy until all of America is like Detroit. They don’t understand greatness let alone the pursuit of greatness. All they want is fairness, uniformity, and institutionalized mediocrity. The cream of the crop shall not rise to the top in the progressive’s delusional-utopian-wet dream society. But since this is reality, the cream always rises to the top, if not in America then somewhere else.