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Ryan Not A Real Libertarian

August 22, 2012 by  

Ryan Not A Real Libertarian
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Mitt Romney picked Paul Ryan to be his running mate.

Presumed Republican Presidential nominee Mitt Romney tagged a man named Paul for Vice President. There’s just one problem: He picked Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), not Ron Paul (R-Texas). The latter is a real libertarian, while the former is a big-government conservative.

Jane Aitken, founder of the New Hampshire Tea Party Coalition, wrote an opinion piece for Bedford Patch. The headline read: “Paul Ryan is no Ron Paul.”

The Daily Caller also weighed in last week: “It didn’t take long for libertarians to condemn Mitt Romney’s selection of Paul Ryan as his running mate. Ryan may have required his staffers to read Ayn Rand’s novels, but he’s no John Galt (a fictional character in Ayn Rand’s novel Atlas Shrugged). Over his nearly 14 years in Congress, Ryan has cast several votes unfit for an advocate of limited government. He voted for TARP, auto bailouts, and Medicare expansion. He also voted for No Child Left Behind and twice voted for stimulus spending.”

Paul cannot be excited about Romney tagging Ryan for the VP spot. In an interview given to Fox News last March, Paul called Ryan’s budget proposals timid and said that Ryan did not address the Federal government’s propensity for warmongering. Paul said he didn’t like that the Ryan plan might balance the budget in 30 years and did nothing to address America’s vast overseas military presence. Paul said instead of the Ryan plan he would slash overseas spending by first stopping “militarism” while maintaining spending for national defense.

As reported by Huffington Post, Paul said:

In my program… I address that first [cutting overseas military spending] I want to get home so that you don’t have to attack child health care or Medicare, even though those programs are bankrupt and you have to deal with them. But even in my first year of cutting a trillion dollars, I don’t touch that stuff [child health care or Medicare].

I’m not going after the benefits the Medicare, I’m not doing that initially… I would cut the money that they are screaming about, this overseas militarism.

I see people coming together… 67 percent people now want to come home from Afghanistan… I think the Republican lose the political argument immediately. [The Republican plan is] We want more weapons but we are going to deny the elderly for their healthcare.

Yet Ryan is likely a smart pick for Romney in that his nomination as Vice President will help Romney win the Presidency because it will garner votes from Tea Party supporters. That doesn’t mean that Ryan is anything other than a pretend libertarian. And he certainly isn’t alone in that category.

In his book Fed Up!, Texas Governor Rick Perry wrote: “If you don’t support the death penalty and citizens packing a pistol, don’t come to Texas. If you don’t like medicinal marijuana and gay marriage, don’t move to California.”

While Perry was running for the Presidency, a Des Moines Register reporter asked the former Texas A&M yell leader: “What yell would you give to urge on your campaign?”

Perry replied: “Rick Perry. Liberty. Rick Perry. Freedom. Freedom is working. Liberty is working. We’ve got to get America working again.”

I wondered: what does it mean to be free? I looked up the definition of “libertarian.” The Free Dictionary defines the word as: “One who advocates maximizing individual rights and minimizing the role of the state. One who believes in free will.”

Perry doesn’t have a clue what it means to be free. Freedom — and here is the key caveat — is doing what you want as long as you are not hurting another individual.

Let me say it straight: If my neighbor on one side is in a gay union and the neighbor on the other side smokes grass (and if is not hurting me or anyone else), why can’t they? That’s how I look at it; I am a true libertarian.

Perry dresses up in libertarian clothes, pretends to embrace individual freedoms and then at the first instance (when he doesn’t like what he sees) demands government intervention. That is not liberty my friends, that is pretend liberty and something very dangerous to the state of the union.

Romney may pretend to embrace smaller government and less taxation, but his track record as Governor of Massachusetts doesn’t support his argument. Nor does his businessman-first-and-foremost argument carry a lot of truth. As then-GOP hopeful Newt Gingrich pointed out to Romney during one of the GOP Presidential debates: “The only reason you didn’t become a career politician is because you lost to Teddy Kennedy in 1994.”

None of this makes the Romney/Ryan ticket less desirable than the alternative: another four loathsome years of Obama/Biden. It does, however, mean that this election isn’t going to give the sweeping changes that libertarians were hoping would come out of the grassroots Tea Party movement.

Barack Obama fashions himself an old-style Democrat, the likes of President John Kennedy. But what Kennedy wanted for the Nation half a century ago was affordable then. As the upsurge in Federal debt shows, it simply is not possible now.

If Obama looks to the Kennedy era, expect Romney to be a replay not of President Ronald Reagan, but his successor, President George H.W. Bush. That will mean continued excessive military spending and interventions overseas. It will mean continued large deficits.

Led by Romney/Ryan, the country may be 20 percent to 30 percent improved over what will happen if the Obama/Biden team is re-elected. But that won’t be a renaissance for America, and the end result will fall far short of making libertarians happy.

Finally and perhaps most importantly, while a Romney/Ryan victory is in the cards, I don’t think it will resuscitate the U.S. dollar. That inevitably means a continued deterioration in the greenback’s purchasing power — something you should consider before you buy any U.S. paper and before you sell any precious metals you have accumulated.

Yours in good times and bad,

–John Myers
Editor, Myers’ Energy & Gold Report

John Myers

is editor of Myers’ Energy and Gold Report. The son of C.V. Myers, the original publisher of Oilweek Magazine, John has worked with two of the world’s largest investment publishers, Phillips and Agora. He was the original editor for Outstanding Investments and has more than 20 years experience as an investment writer. John is a graduate of the University of Calgary. He has worked for Prudential Securities in Spokane, Wash., as a registered investment advisor. His office location in Calgary, Alberta, is just minutes away from the headquarters of some of the biggest players in today’s energy markets. This gives him personal access to everyone from oil CEOs to roughnecks, where he learns secrets from oil insiders he passes on to his subscribers. Plus, during his years in Spokane he cultivated a network of relationships with mining insiders in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.

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  • DaveH

    What is a Real Libertarian?
    http://mises.org/daily/4931

    • danny

      A real liberatarian is not represented by a nut case that does not believe we need military installations around the world to defend ourselves and our allies. And we don;t need these pretenders like John Myers in our camp constantly trying to destroy our candidates. he has never been supportive to the Conservative Republicans. His articles are always destructive. He appears to be a “Democrat”

      • http://www.facebook.com/martha.benton.3 Martha Benton

        Thank heavens for your post. I thought maybe I was the only one that felt that way about the articles being posted here. I quit another news group for the same reason. I really think the liberals have invaded and are putting on a mask of being conservative when all they really want to do is destroy what we believe in. If he is still a Ron Paul supporter, he needs to get over it. The old codger did not make it to the nomination. We have two old fogies in the government now with Reid and Pelosi that are all we can stomach right now.

      • http://www.fletcherfarm.com al

        a heartbeat from being The President think about this before you endorse the other paul

      • BERNADINE

        You may be right but I will tell you this RON PAUL is the man to change this country
        back around. romney is just another ringer like OBAMA. just remember america did not
        elect OBAMA the dem and republic partys did for thier one world government.OBAMA is
        not obama sr’s son he is commie FRANK DAVIS,S SON BY ANN DURHAM BOTH COMMIE’S. AND THEY ARE PUSHING ROMNEY DOWn on us. UNLESS some one with guts enough to stand up and be counted to put a halt to what these people are doing.
        COMMUNISM IS HERE TO STAY. we will have to have the rvolution al over again.

      • DaveH

        Danny doesn’t know what a Libertarian is, and Martha doesn’t know what a True Conservative is.
        Libertarians believe that everybody has the inherent right to control their own bodies and property without the interference of other people (including Government people), as long as we do NOT trespass on the bodies and property of other people. That includes people who live in foreign countries. And we have a right to trade freely with our fellow humans, absent the coercive interference of meddling Government people, other than to adjudicate cases of Force and Fraud.
        True Conservatives believe in the Constitution of the United States, and the Small Limited Government that our forefathers advocated. The Constitution dictates that Wars (by any other name) must be declared by Congress.
        George Washington said — “The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign nations, is, in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop.”
        Ignorant people, like Danny and Martha, are mostly clueless to the reality of Crony Capitalism, and the wars they pursue for their own self-interests at the expense of the soldiers’ lives and the taxpayers’ money. But those ignorant people could learn (if they wanted) by reading the many books available that expose the scam perpetrated by the Crony Politicians and their Crony Capitalists on the rest of us. Here is just one:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/Wall%20Street,%20Banks,%20and%20American%20Foreign%20Policy.pdf

      • DaveH
      • DaveH

        Martha says — “I really think the liberals have invaded and are putting on a mask of being conservative”.
        To the contrary, Martha, you are a NeoConservative masquerading as a True Conservative.

      • DaveH

        Danny says — “A real liberatarian is not represented by a nut case that does not believe we need military installations around the world to defend ourselves and our allies”.
        A real “nut case” is a person who thinks Libertarians advocate meddling in other countries’ business.

      • Fran

        I believe Paul Ryan is a great choice for the Republican ticket. He and Romney can turn this country around. Ron Paul sounds like a liberal on many issues. I am saying go Romney and Ryan

      • http://www.facebook.com/eugene.frana Eugene Frana

        To danny & Martha; You are completely wrong on Libertarian philosophy. You’re getting Libertarian’s mixed up with the Tea Party, which are two TOTALLY DIFFERENT things.

      • texastwin827

        Danny, Ron Paul is NOT a nut case. With that in mind, I ask you why is it our responsibility to defend Germany & France (and the many other countries we have bases in)?

        Are they not capable of having their own military to defend themselves? While I have no objections to having bases in England, that is primarily because they are the ONLY “ally” who has consistently been our ally, in return.

        We were never meant to be the world’s “policeman”, by our founding fathers. In fact, they made it pretty clear that we should not become entangled in other countries affairs.

        There are few countries, in the world today, that would deserve support, at cost of the blood or the death of one young American. If we want to preserve any nation, it should be our own.

        Our troops would be better utilized with securing our own borders than that of a foreign nation.

      • Mimi

        I agree with you Danny. Myers is a Democrat in sheep’s clothing. I am so sick of imposters posing as conservatives.

      • s g

        Paul is WAY OFF on the drug and military issues. He would make a wonderful financial oversight committee chairmen in Romney’s administration.
        His son, Rand is more mainstream yet tough on spending and national security issues

      • john olson

        Ron Paul is just a senile old man who needs to find a nice comfortable retirement home and get out of politics. His ideas go back to the Wilson area and would not work in this newer world. We cannot be an isolationist country in this day and survive. Any person with a half a brain knows that.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        A Libertarian and/or Conservatives by now should know what they believe. It is rather ridiculous to have the Leftists dictate what ideology the Libertarians or Conservatives should believe so that the Leftists will be made happy.

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        conservative? do you even know what that means?

        conservative is not building an empire

        conservative isn’t having bases all over the world and cutting domestic spending for the citizens of this country

        conservative is NOT BIG GOVT.

      • NOBODY

        Well said Danny

      • SPEED

        Paul Ryan (a real libertarian or not) teamed with Mitt Romney is a better choice for the USA than 4 more years of destructive Obama non-presidential “leadership” (if you can even equate this word with OB). We need to move on from who could-da, should-da been the Republican Presidential or VP candidate and support a team that will remove OB (hopefully Reid and Pelosi also) and get the USA out of this economic mess we are drowning in!
        And I agree this John Myers article isn’t helping … a pretender; could be ……?

      • The GLB

        Danny @ 7:43:
        I am guessing that you are public-school educated like I am, but that is no excuse to stop educating yourself, in fact before I renewed my post-’Free’ education I sounded a lot like you.

        The Founding Fathers recognized the importance of NOT becoming involved in foreign entanglements and making entangling alliances, a policy that warmongers like Romney, Ryan, and other NWeO-cons (read: Pro New World Order; Pro War; Their version of a slightly Smaller Brand of BIG government) call “Isolationism”.

        How many military bases do we need surrounding Iran? The last number I read stated that there are 46. Now, I don’t know about you, but if I knew that there was a hostile nation, who is known for preemptively invading foreign countries on made-up premises, surrounding my state (which is slightly bigger than Iran, but with a lot more coastline) with 46 military bases I would be very nervous, scratch that I would be teaming up with that nation’s largest foe from the last century.

        It is NOT necessary to have our military in countries all over the world. No, No that is NOT right: it is necessary for the military industrial complex and the congressman and the presidents (both R’s and D’s) that are in bed with the military industrial complex to have military bases all over the world, but in no way does it make the United States more safe, safer, or mo’ safer (whichever one may prefer).

        As for some of the other comments I read about the ‘true’ definition of Libertarianism: all y’all could NOT be more wrong, wronger, or mo’ wronger (my errant grammar is a little hat tip to GWB).

      • http://republicaninthearts.blogspot.com Incognito

        Amen to that Danny. If these people continue to carp about the Romney/Ryan ticket they are effectively handing Obama/Biden another msierable 4 years. A Romney/Paul ticket would do the same thing. They’d have no vote. including mine.

      • Winddrinker

        texastwin, I agree that we should not be the “world’s policeman.” If we are, we have truly failed! Let these countries defend themselves. I lived in Germany for years and they have no expense when it come to supporting a military or providing their own security! American taxpayers foot that bill, as we do with other countries!

        Our large military bases are nothing but “FOREIGN WELFARE.” We are there to boost their economies with the expensive contracts and huge monthly payrolls that are spent in their countries. The American military was the 9th largest contributor to the German economy! If we pulled our military out, it would be very destructive to their economy and many businesses would close. Germany is a small country and they depend on these military dollars.

        We need our military back home to protect our borders, our security. We are the only country that doesn’t have borders! Without borders there is NO sovereignity.

        As for the middle east, there will never be anything accomplished among these waring tribes! That is all they are, it is a 7th century mentality, a tribal mentality. Saudi Arabia has twelve of these tribes. We can’t bring them into the present no matter how many young American lives are sacrificed or how many soldiers come home mutilated.

        If the tribes need a “lesson,” hit them hard, and come home! No rebuilding their infrastructure, schools, mosques, electrical grids, roads. Get out of these “tribal battles.” Let them destroy each other, without our participation. Want to devastate Afghanistan, burn their poppy fields and quit messing around. These governments “play us.” They will never be on our side, they will always “cling to their korans and their rifles.”

        And, John Meyers article stinks, throw it in the dumpster!

      • All American

        True, and why wouldn’t we vote for the current ticket? It’s our last… LAST chance to get rid of Oslima.

      • Gordon

        Mr Myers and responders,

        Ron Paul is idealism. Not electable.

        All the rhetoric and Chicken Little waving won’t change two facts that are THE most important in the upcoming election.

        1) The next President will most likely appoint at least one new Supreme Court Justice, possibly 5, who knows.

        2) Whether an asteroid hits, Yellowstone explodes, solar flares, terrorists attack, etc., or maybe even Jesus will come back.

        One thing is absolutely certain….. Muslim jihad will continue to infiltrate the United States physically and politically…. and sooner or later a shooting war will happen on United States homeland soil. Middle America knows this and is preparing.

        Most everything else is just “dust in the wind” that is distracting the population from the real issues facing our Nation.

        Now that China is dumping their Trillion of dollars of greenbacks and US paper wealth, inflation will arrive with a vengeance. World wide drought, and massive USA crop loss will trigger hardship on most of the population. Socio-economic collapse is not a stretch of the imagination.

        Regardless of the election results, December 2012 is the end of life in the United States of America as we have known it.
        Many believe that a shooting war will happen on United States homeland soil. Middle America knows this and is preparing.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Do any of you even know the definition of conservative?!? It follows, “holding to traditional attitudes and VALUES and cautious about change or innovation”. There is NOTHING conservative about romney OR ryan!!! They do not have traditional VALUES and they are NOT cautious about change, particularly as they CHANGE the meaning of the Constitution!!! Any of you who claim to be conservative yet feel you must hold your nose to vote for them are not conservative either! You HAVE NO values! You have NO INTEGRITY!!! The purpose of voting is to elect someone that carries the same values as you do, INTEGRITY!!! So, don’t CLAIM to be conservative. Don’t CLAIM to have VALUES. And don’t CLAIM to have INTEGRITY if you are willing to vote for someone that does NOT have your values! Your VALUES and INTEGRITY mean NOTHING if you’re not willing to back them up!!!

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Martha, if you’re looking for people who agree with you, why would you come to a Libertarian website? If you don’t like the tone and subjects of the articles, why stay? Perhaps you could find a site where everyone agrees with you and you might be happier.

      • DaveH

        John Olson says — “Ron Paul is just a senile old man”
        Funny, John, that “senile old man” runs logical circles around your ignorant younger NeoConservative candidates.

        John Olson says — “His ideas go back to the Wilson area”.
        You mean Woodrow Wilson, or is there another Wilson that I’ve never heard of?
        What the heck are they teaching you guys these days? Wilson was a Constitution-Trampling Progressive — The polar opposite of Ron Paul.

        John Olson says — “We cannot be an isolationist country in this day and survive. Any person with a half a brain knows that”.
        Well, I guess that leaves you out, John, because Ron Paul is NOT an isolationist. He is a Non-Interventionist. He believes in trading peacefully with other countries, NOT at the point of a gun.

        It’s no wonder our country is in such a mess with such ignorant people as you voting, John.

      • pearl87

        I don’t understand the RINO need to insist that there can be no reasonable difference of opinion on issues, such as policing the world. It is so similar to the liberal mentality, it takes one’s breath away. Hence we always hear from the left, that the “science is settled” when there is no scientific proof. It would seem that Romney supporters are much more closely allied to the left than the right. Let’s be clear here. Your guy, Romney, will never get the votes of true American patriots. Those who believe in limited govt will not vote for this mirror image of Obama, because there can be no benefit to our country.

      • Bay0Wulf

        I consider the fact that we have bases all over the world protecting our, as well as others’ freedom and “Rights” to be a “good thing” and don’t believe that we should summarily close them. That said however, I think that we as a Nation have done an awful lot for the entire world in terms of guaranteeing their safety at our expense … and we can’t afford to continue to do so.

        I think/believe that we should go to all those countries and tell them that we are in the position of closing the various bases but that we will continue to stay and provide the protections they seek and want (even while they spit on and castigate us) provided they create a “Defense Budget” of their own because we are going to charge for our services.

        #1. The countries should be expected to “give” us the land upon which our bases are built at no cost for the duration of our presence there. No cost at all.
        #2. The countries should be expected to shoulder something like 75% of the actual cost of us being there.
        #3. The countries should also pay us for keeping the sea lanes open commensurate with their usage of theses lanes. Corporations should expect to be charged similarly for our protecting them (unless otherwise paid for by their government)
        #4. We should bow out of the UN in all aspects while remaining available to them to assist in their efforts. Provided only that they pay the USA on a case by case basis and accept the fact that we control our military in all aspects. The UN may make their wishes known but in the actual situation our military will determine the level of response without recognizing the UN’s “peace-keeping” mantra. There should never come a time where our military wears or swears fealty to the UN. There should never come a time where the UN is able to force us to “stand by” and not engage once we are brough in to clean up their mess.

        This would not make us overly popular but then … we are already not popular and the world can pay for our “keeping their peace”.

        We are the world’s only unpaid Police / Security Force and it is time to end this practice. By doing this, we could continue to have a strong presence the world over without a constant drain on our own coffers.

        • Belinda

          Amen.

      • DixieBelle

        I’m sure the Russians feel well protected with only one base outside of Russia – the one they have in Syria. We don’t need a military base in practically every country in the world to protect ourselves in the US. We need the money being spent on those bases and the ransom we are paying to those countries to rebuild the economy in this country. I’m afraid Ron Paul got it right.

      • None

        Actually, any who believe we need foreign military bases around the world in addition to those of our allies, and are obliged to attack any disagreeing with our sociopathic leaders, at the financial expense and lives of our citizens, are the nut cases.

    • steve

      like i’ve been saying , same body with a different face.

    • SamFox

      DavidH, good post.

      Thanks to the author of the lead for reminding us about Ron Paul, a poster man for libertarianism, Constitutional fidelity, fiscal restraint, consistent conservatism, honesty, integrity & consistency of message & platform. Ron rarely changes his mind on issues, unlike serial flip floppers Romney & 0.

      Agreed. Ryan is NOT a libertarian. He’s not even a true conservative. But that’s seems to be OK. Neither are Mitt & 0 conservative. :-) Seems OK with the RNC, DNC, prison industrial & military complexes, warriors against some drugs, over spenders, big govt growers, & collapse the US agenda followers like Bush & 0, but is not OK with us who want a true Constitutional fiscal conservative in the WH.

      Judging by Ryan’s vote record I think it safe to say he is a CINO-RINO phony baloney, big govt & over spending lackey, just like GWB, 0 , GW’s dad & many other POTUSes & Congresses.

      If the RNC were truly about changing the status quo by reigning in the war machine, restoring civil liberties, reducing spending, regulation & taxes they would not have tried to marginalize, ignore & bury Ron Paul. That they again gave us RINO-CINO candidates like they did last time w/John McManchurian tells me the RNC is as genuine as a $3 bill.

      SamFox

    • Ted

      dave – IMHO, libertarianism is a watered down version of of classical anarchism. Anarchists saw all government as evil, or at least a waste of time. Libertarians admit that there are legitimate uses of governmental power: defense, stabilizing the currency, patents, enforcing a few basic laws, etc.

      Libertarians, then run counter to both the liberals and the conservatives. Liberals want to protect the country from the excesses of the free market systems, while conservatives want the government to enforce right living.

      • DaveH

        Ted says — “Libertarians admit that there are legitimate uses of governmental power: defense, stabilizing the currency, patents, enforcing a few basic laws, etc.”.
        Back to study room, Ted. Libertarians do NOT admit that Government should stabilize the currency, or patent law:
        http://mises.org/daily/468
        Government is not capable of stabilizing the currency; only of creating extra money when they or their cohorts need it at the rest of our expense. It is just not physically or politically possible for Governments to stabilize a currency.

      • DaveH

        You need desperately to read this book, Ted, and learn something about Money:
        http://mises.org/books/whathasgovernmentdone.pdf

    • Bay0Wulf

      I’ll give you this. I don’t believe that Mitt & Paul are the “best thing since sliced bread”. I don’t think that they will roll things back to a pre-Obama state of affairs. I think that they will do some things to rectify the situation but … neither of them actually “passes” the TEA Party “test”.

      Nevertheless, Obama must be removed from office. We cannot afford or allow his policies and agenda to continue to move forward.

      I am hoping that I am wrong about Mitt & Paul. Perhaps they will be like Ronnie and surprise me with their ability and outlook even though I highly doubt it. On the other hand, in 2014 and 2016 there will be another chance for the TEA Party and Conservatives to become more entrenched and maybe come up with (vet) a more viable Candidate come the next Presidential election if Mitt & Paul fail to perform as required.

      Ron Paul … this time anyway … is just not electable and we NEED to oust Obama.

      I DO NOT want the TEA Party to become an “Official 3rd Party”. I believe that they are doing an amazing job of vetting viable candidates for any and all offices (even if some of them call themselves Democrats). As a 4 year old (approx) “Agency for Change” they have done and are doing a superb job.

      We have to allow time for them to make the changes at Local, State and Federal levels. We have to support their efforts. We must get more true Conservatives (my version of Conservative is “Constitutional”) into places where they can make a difference. Then we must watch them to ensure that they do not fall into the “Old Boy” frame of mind. The more Conservatives that are in place the quicker we can turn things around.

      One of the greatest delights in my 30+ year of Political awareness was when the Republicans welcomed the TEA Party candidates with open arms thinking to co-opt them into their “Club” and got stiff-armed by almost every one. Then the Republicans came out against the TEA Party … THAT says we are really doing something RIGHT!

      Give them your support. Morally and, if possible, financially. Learn to be patient (I KNOW its hard!) Help them to fill in the gaps in our Government whenever possible. Understand that this is a LONG battle (look how long the Left, Socialistic, Communistic, Liberals took to get where they are). We may not see everything repaired in our lifetime but … we can feel assured that … at least WE … will have left it better than we found it.

      • Belinda

        At last a voice of reason. And common sense. Here is hoping that someone out there will listen. If that is possible.

  • Harold Olsen

    “Paul Ryan is no Ron Paul.” I sure hope not. Paul Ryan is a conservative. Ron Paul, though a fiscal conservative when it comes to the economy, is an extreme liberal on other major issues. I’d support Paul Ryan if he were the presidential candidate. As someone said on Twitter last year, Ron Paul is probably the only candidate who would be worse than Obama.

    • Vicki

      Why would Ron Paul be worse then Obama? Just 3 examples to get us started.

      • Anthony

        Vicki he can not answer! Because he his a media brainwashed puppet!

      • HH

        We’re waiting Harold……………….

      • danny

        Ok ,Vicky let’s start with the number one issue. REmoving our Military from the world theater. This nut case has no comprehension of the complexity of defense of ourselves, and our allies. I am giving you the benefit of doubt. That maybe you have not considered the horrid threats of dominateing evil in the world. The logistics of our defense depends on global positions and allies. “DON”T” be deceived by ignorant people who think we can buy the alliegeance of the world. There has always been Hitlers and tyrants of all ages. The other two requested reasons would be of “NO” importance if this reason was ignored.

      • stopspending

        I will try
        1. He would leave us totally undefended and vulnerable to foreign entitites that want to kill us. It is not possible to “just make nice” with those countries/entities. they only understand force.
        2. He would remove mosst governement controls which would cause a break in US society. We must have some government so we do not turn into a banana republic.
        3. He and his supporters believe there is only one way to lead the government and that would either lead to him being a dictator (we got that now) or completely no cooperation with Congress and the will of the majority (we also have that now and it is failing).

      • Anthony

        Danny if anybody is a moron its you!

        Right now, the U.S. government is essentially bankrupt and the U.S. financial system is on the verge of the collapse. We have got to stop spending so much money.

        The following are 16 reasons why the United States can no longer afford to be the police of the world….

        #1 Prior to the beginning of the “War on Terror” our national debt was under 6 trillion dollars. Today, it has more than doubled and currently sits at a whopping 14.3 trillion dollars.

        #2 Today, the U.S. military is in nearly 130 different nations and it has a total of about 700 military bases around the globe. It costs approximately 100 billion dollars each year to maintain these military bases.

        #3 U.S. military spending is greater than the military spending of China, Russia, Japan, India, and the rest of NATO combined.

        #4 The United States already accounts for 46.5% of all military spending on the planet. China is next with only 6.6%.

        #5 If Bill Gates gave every penny of his fortune to the U.S. government, it would only cover the U.S. budget deficit for 15 days.

        #6 When you throw in all “off budget” items and other categories of “defense spending” not covered in the Pentagon budget you get a grand total of somewhere between $1.01 and $1.35 trillion spent on national defense in 2010.

        #7 The U.S. government borrows an average of about 168 million more dollars every single hour.

        #8 The Pentagon currently gobbles up 56 percent of all discretionary spending by the federal government.

        #9 Between 2007 and 2010, U.S. GDP grew by only 4.26%, but the U.S. national debt soared by 61% during that same time period.

        #10 The cost for the first week of airstrikes on Libya was 600 million dollars. Keep in mind that the leader of the opposition in Libya has admitted that his forces contain large numbers of the same “al-Qaeda fighters” that were shooting at American troops in Iraq. So we are going broke and we are helping al-Qaeda take power in Libya at the same time.

        #11 The total price tag for each F-22 fighter jet is approximately $350 million.

        #12 Over the past decade, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have cost U.S. taxpayers well over a trillion dollars.

        #13 If you went out today and started spending one dollar every single second, it would take you over 31,000 years to spend one trillion dollars.

        #14 Since 2001, the total cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan breaks down to well over $3,600 for every man, woman and child in the United States.

        #15 Just one day of the war in Afghanistan costs more money than it took to build the entire Pentagon.

        #16 The United States government is now responsible for more than a third of all the government debt in the entire world.

        The U.S. national debt is escalating out of control and all of these wars are not helping one bit.

        Occupying and bombing all of these nations is not even making us safer. In fact, it is creating more enemies than it is destroying.

      • DaveH

        Danny says — “This nut case has no comprehension of the complexity of defense of ourselves, and our allies. I am giving you the benefit of doubt”.
        So, Danny, could you explain some of those “complexities” to those of us who are ignorant?

      • DavidL

        Vickie,
        Here are a few to start you off……

        1. Ryan/Romney want the government to force you to have the child of the rapist. Obama opposes this!

        2. Ryan/Romney want insurance companies, once again, to be able to deny coverage for your children because of the money saving excuse of a “pre-existing condition.” Obama has ended this practice and has ensured that your children get the coverage they need.

        3. Ryan/Romney want insurance companies, once again, to be able to deny coverage for you because women are a “pre-existing condition.” Obama has ended this practice and has ensured that you, and all women, get the coverage needed.

        4. Ryan sponsored a national bill to force women to undergo forced ultra-sound probe. Obama opposes this State-sanctioned rape.

        5. Ryan/Romney want insurance companies, once again, to be able to deny coverage to people because of annual or lifetime limits. Obama has ended this practice.

        6. Ryan/Romney want person-hood at conception and thereby outlaw all abortion, contraception and in Vitro fertilization. Obama is against this policy.

        Vickie, with all due respect, take a closer look at the positions of the parties. Ignore the ignorant bat-crap-crazy crowd and decide, really decide, on what is in the best economic and social interest of you and your family. Vote your interests. Don’t vote against them.

        Best wishes,
        DavidL

      • Gordon

        So Anthony with your 16 points you are saying that we as a Nation should avoid all military actions and interventions outside of the homeland 50 states borders, and virtually ignore all the upcoming and inevitable jihad throughout the world and inevitably on our home soil. Our military has been training our troops and has actually asked them if they would take up arms against US citizens here in the 50 states. I know current military men who have conducted the training. Guess when Iran attacks Israel and the world wide jihad attacks Chicago, Denver, and PettyCoat Junction, we will just chalk it up to saving the budget?

        • Belinda

          I don’t think anyone thinks Ron Paul would be worse than Obama. That is not the deal. I don’t know how feasible some of his ideas are even though I know he has good intentions. However, I know he would probably make a much better president than Obama.But that is not what this election is about.

          • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

            You are correct, that is not what this election is about.

            This election is about Progressivism, big out of control governmental growth, and corruption.

            – Smoov

      • DaveH

        You have been severely propagandized, Gordon.
        Our mid-east excursions have nothing to do with stopping Muslims and everything to do with fattening the wallets of International Bankers.
        Iraq declares that it is no longer going to price its oil in US dollars — 2000.
        Iran declares that is is no longer going to price its oil in US dollars — 2009.
        “Libya was planning to introduce a new currency for Libyan and regional oil: the Gold Dinar which, contrary to the US Dollar, would have had true intrinsic value”.
        You really need to do some reading:
        http://rt.com/news/libya-all-about-oil-818/

        • Gordon

          Take a step back and look through clear glasses: Evil men take advantage of situations for their own manipulations. Try and look back at what created their opportunities.

      • Average Joe

        stopspending ,

        Your statements are fallacy.

        1. Do you know the difference between defense and offense? America is less safe now than ever before. We cannot defend America… if our troops are not HERE to defend us…comprende’? Checked the borders lately?

        2. Returning the governance of people’s lives to the States (10th amendment) is not the same as “removing” government control…it is re-assigning that control to it’s proper venue.

        3. Have you got anything to back up this silly accusation? If so, I (and many others) would love to see it. Put up or shut up…baseless accusations only serve to make you look ignorant of reality.

        Have you ever read the Constitution? I am guessing the answer is no, because if you had, you would understand that the Federal Government has “limited powers” (Article 1 ,Section 8) and that there are supposed to be 3 branches that are used as checks and balances against the overreach of one branch against the other two.

        Here is the text…please read it..now you’ll have no excuses for being ignorant….

        Article 1 – The Legislative Branch
        Section 8 – Powers of Congress

        The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

        To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

        To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

        To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

        To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

        To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

        To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

        To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

        To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

        To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

        To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

        To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

        To provide and maintain a Navy;

        To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

        To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

        To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

        To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

        To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

        Now that I have given you the text…please define “United States”…once you know the answer to that ..your eyes may open. Hint: the answer actually lies in the above text ( next to the last paragragh)…until you know the answer…you will remain a clueless bottom dweller….

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Danny, do you have any concept of what “defense” is?!? Defense is NOT trying to FORCE every country in the world to do what you want! Defense is NOT deciding who should be the leader of every country! Defense is NOT forcing other countries to use your currency and to produce cheap goods to get that currency. Defense is NOT getting involved in other country’s personal business EVEN if you disagree with it! Defense is NOT blowing up innocent women and children because their presidents won’t do what you want!!! Defence is NOT spying on your own people and PLOTTING TO CONTROL them! Defense IS protecting YOUR people and your ALLY’S people! Defense IS protecting YOUR land and your ALLY’S land. Defense IS protecting your infrastructure, including your electrical grid and information systems. Defense IS making sure your enemy is not flying in your airspace and is not patrolling your waters with their submarines. Defense IS making SURE that your enemy has NOT infiltrated your government! Defense IS encouraging YOUR people to be armed, ready and willing to fight the enemy! Defense IS protecting the rights of YOUR OWN people!!! It would seem to mean that this government and every other one in my lifetime has engaged in the very items that are NOT defense, but OFFENSE!!! We have been the world’s BULLY and THEY HATE US! This has NOT made us SAFER!!! Perhaps if we gave Ron Paul a chance, he would engage in TRUE DEFENSE, rather than the OFFENSE that we have become so accustomed to!

        • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

          Dear Nancy in Nebraska,

          Well said!

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • DaveH

        Whew, Nancy. Good job. I’m glad you’re on my side.

      • Anthony

        GREAT JOB NANCY!!!!!

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Thanks, guys! It only proves that I’m not too old to learn and I’m not too old to be stuck in my “old” beliefs!

    • Anthony

      Are you REALLY that STUPID????

      • Gordon

        Anthony, with all due respect Sir, I wish to point out a simple fact that seems to escape your intellect. WE cannot be friends with terrorists. We cannot appease them. We cannot placate them. The USA as the infidel western leader cannot do anything that will cause the muslim retreat or make them ignore the USA as their sworn mortal religious enemy. Their religion lives for the opportunity to destroy our civilization. Anyone who denies this fails to understand islam at its core. Evil men exist outside of islam. These too cannot be bought or appeased. IF the USA ignores them, sooner or later we will be fighting them on our homeland soil. In fact, the jihad has already come to us. Obama himself stated that 70,000 radical muslim extremists already live in the USA (yes he did.) How many will it take to cripple our society? Jacob and Esau have been fighting for thousands of years, and there will be no end. Islam is the founding father of marxism, and each cater to the souls of evil men. 2012 is the end of life as we have known it in these United States of America.

      • DaveH

        Gordon says — “Anthony, with all due respect Sir, I wish to point out a simple fact that seems to escape your intellect. WE cannot be friends with terrorists. We cannot appease them. We cannot placate them”.
        When was the last time “terrorists” attacked the United States, Gordon?
        Where did those “terrorists” come from?
        Why wasn’t their home country bombed into oblivion instead of Afghanistan?
        Why are a handful of people killing other people considered “terrorists”, but when the US does the same, in mass, to other countries (Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, etc.) we are the “good guys”?
        Don’t confuse a state of being severely brainwashed with an intellect, Gordon.
        When you have read the various articles and books that I’ve linked to, then come back and we’ll talk about your “intellect”. Until then, you are just the typical Propagandized dupe.

      • Anthony

        DaveH I could not have said it any better!

        Gordon says ” IF the USA ignores them, sooner or later we will be fighting them on our homeland soil.”

        This show Gordon’s IQ is very low and is not capable of understanding the lies the media feeds him!

      • Gordon

        Anthony and Dave; “Don’t confuse a state of being severely brainwashed with an intellect, Gordon.”
        No matter what you rant about, you will not convince me of your great intellect.

      • Gordon

        Let me attempt to grasp the principle behind your thinking: If we ignore the drug cartels, ignore the criminals in every venue, then theoretically they will stop being criminals, per se, because they will leave “us” alone. Is that what youze are saying? Couldn’t we do that by just de-criminalizing all the supposed law breaking so that then there would technically be no law breaking….. and there would be no victims?

    • braindeadus

      you are full of it

    • DaveH

      Harold says — “Paul Ryan is a conservative”.
      Get it straight, Harold. Paul Ryan is a NeoConservative Progressive who believes Big Government is the solution to our problems. Funny though, it keeps getting Bigger, and we keep having More problems.
      In 1900 Government consumed 3% of our GDP. It now consumes 40% of our GDP. Did we somehow become 13 times more needy of Government in those 110 years?

      • Mimi

        I’m sorry for you Dave, you need hearing aids as well as eyeglasses. If you think Paul Ryan wants bigger government, what would you say for Obama? Where have you been in these last almost four years?

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Mimi, can bad consequences happen when someone believes they are doing good and they are from the wrong reasons and using the wrong entity to get their good. Ryan talks like a Socialist, the government has a job of working to take care of people, no social services will be taken away, etc.. Ryan, Romneyand Obama all play on people’s fear and guilt about the old, the sick, the disabled and know how to couch their words to get the fear and guilt pacified

      • DaveH

        Mimi says — “I’m sorry for you Dave”.
        And why is that, Mimi? Because I am not ignorant, and therefore not blissful?

      • DaveH

        Mimi says — ” If you think Paul Ryan wants bigger government, what would you say for Obama?”.
        I would say Obama wants Bigger Government, also.
        Do two wrongs make a right in your world, Mimi?

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Everyone acts as if paul ryan will make a difference. paul ryan will not BE president, romney WILL! ryan will NOT be an active participant in running the country. The vice president is just a figurehead who is there “just in case”. He can break tie votes in the senate. That’s it!!! So if you’re thinking that having ryan makes romney a little more palatable, you’re only fooling yourself!!! See the TRUTH!!!

      • Meteorlady

        Nancy – I can remember Al Gore breaking a tie in the senate which increased the taxes on Social security payments – even though the law initially said we would pay no taxes on any SS payments. So the VP is important….Gore screwed every senior in this country with his vote.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Meteorlady, if you choose to believe that gore was responsible, keep in mind that HALF of the senators voting, also supported it! If they had voted responsibly gore would have had nothing to do with it! What do you expect from our government?, that they would turn down an opportunity to raise taxes?

      • Belinda

        Where do you get Ryan is for big government? I have not seen indications of that fact anywhere. And where do you tag the Neoconservative tag to Ryan. Are you trying to tag him with a Neo Nazi implication. Do you know what Neo means? It means New. If Ryan is a New Conservative that could be a good thing? If It is according to what a New Conservative would believe. That might be better than a regular conservative. If your implication that a new conservative believes in big government, you are way way off base.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      PAUL RYAN SUPPORTS THE U.N.

      he voted for TARP & stimulus
      unfunded Rx drug benefits
      2 wars with countries that didn’t attack the U.S.
      patriot act and NDAA

      I’d hardly call that conservative

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Rhonda, thank you for stating the OBVIOUS TRUTH!!! You said it!!!

      • Anthony

        GREAT JOB!

        Nancy, Bob, Rhonda……Most of what we talk about here I’ve know since the 80′s. Over the years I have seen a slow awakening! Years ago when I would bring up the Federal Reserve or talk about the income tax….people would look at me as if our government could do no wrong and could not believe I would say such a thing. Even though there is still a lot of sheep on this site…I think lots of people are starting to see the light and understand that we have been lied to most of our life’s. I agree with Bob let the sheep keep come here!

        • Belinda

          People always complain about the RX help. I see people forking out over four hundred dollars at a sitting for medications. Older people. I also remember my mother and father in law spending their whole social security check on their medicine. I don’t see that as a bad thing now. We started having to pay their light bill and phone bills and other bills for them. It is sad when people get to that age and have to spend all their money on medicine and have no money for anything else. Like I said I think the help with medicine was a good thing because of my experience with this older people.

    • http://www.facebook.com/Tyranosaurus.Rex Hayden Farnes

      Its sad to see so many so-called conservatives think Ron Paul is “crazy” or a “liberal”. Wow they should re-named this site neoconsmeet.com.

      • The GLB

        Well said Hayden.

        I have often wondered, if this is truly a Libertarian-leaning website, why there are so many NWeO-con talking heads commenting here.

        Not to advocate prohibition of their comments, because it is good to ‘argue’ about the true nature of politics in this country; and hopefully some of these Romney/Ryan/NWeO-con supporters will awaken, like I did, to the truth about the false left/right paradigm that is invoked by so many.

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear Hayden Farnes,

        You write: “Wow they should re-named this site neoconsmeet.com.” We have no desire or need to rename our site. If neocons aren’t here, how might we educate them?

        Best wishes,
        Bob

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        You’ve educated me, Bob! And I thank you for it! This website was a launching pad for my study and research! It’s a work in progress!!!

      • JeffH

        Nancy in Nebraska, I will second that…without PLD and “you guys and gals” I’d still be wallowing in the Dem/Rep paradigm.

    • http://yahoo kYGATOR

      Harold, You couldn’t have said it better!! Ron Paul is definitely the WRONG Paul!!!

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        It depends upon what you want. If you want more of the same, you are correct!!!

    • The GLB

      Harold @ 2:11 AM:
      You would be well-served to read this article: http://politicaloutcast.com/2012/08/why-i-am-a-radical-liberal-progressive/ so that you may more fully understand the definitions of the words you use to denigrate the most constitutionally-minded member of Congress, and the best Presidential candidate this country has seen in over 100 years.

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    NOW, WHAT? IF PEOPLE DO NOT LIKE Paul Ryan, WHAT WILL THEY DO? – STAY HOME?

    • DaveH

      Vote for Ron Paul if he runs. If he doesn’t, vote for the Libertarian Presidential Candidate, Gary Johnson.

      • Mimi

        You’d like that wouldn’t you Dave? A group of Lemurs would be better than Obama, but no, you’d rather have Obama for the next four, to completely destroy the country? What a pearl of wisdom you are!

      • Belinda

        na, na, na, na na na na …na…y’all why can’t the libertarian die-hards grow up! Why do you act like it is all your way or no way. How do you be so arrogant to think that you have all the answers and there is no wisdom in the people of the world besides you. This very arrogance and divisiveness reminds me of the very people that I oppose…The Obomanites cult. Why don’t y’all get on board and join the Americans that want to bring about what is best for all Americans…not just the libertarian following. I think libertarian message is basically a good one, but the tunnel vision of some have caused a veering off into a partisan and dangerous path that is not for the betterment of this country…a country for all lAmericans…not just a few.

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        Absolutely right Dave

        I’m voting for Paul or Johnson too

        the GOP can take a long walk off a short pier

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Mimi,
        It appears that you are the one who is afraid. If you were not afraid you would not make childish outbursts.You are afraid that Romney/Ryan cannot convince the populace of their ideology. That is not DaveH’s fault that Romney/Ryan ideology is copycatted by O.

        • Belinda

          I arm not afraid. But if every vote counts, Il want the vote not to be for Obama. As in the days of Ross Perot, we don’t need to take any vote for granted. But I am hoping for even your vote not to be important and that Romney wins in the greatest landslide vote in history.For the sake of America. Another four years of Obama..me, even you will never be able to have you dreams realized..

      • Nadzieja Batki

        Belinda, you are another one like Mimi that is so afraid that if someone disagrees with you your world will fall apart.

      • DaveH

        Belinda says — “How do you be so arrogant to think that you have all the answers and there is no wisdom in the people of the world besides you”.
        DaveH says — “How can you?”

      • DaveH

        Belinda says — “But if every vote counts, Il want the vote not to be for Obama”.
        So you don’t care if we lose our Freedom to Romney/Ryan, as long as we don’t lose it to Obama?
        I vote on Principle. If they can’t put a Principled Politician up for election, then I won’t rubber-stamp an Unprincipled Politician just to stop another Unprincipled Politician from getting re-elected.
        If you want to travel to a Northern destination, Belinda, how long do you think it would take to get there by traveling West?

      • The GLB

        To Mimi @ 9:34 AM and Belinda @ 9:48 AM:

        We, the people of the United States, will get the government we deserve, and whether Obama wins, or Romney wins it WILL be the government we deserve.

        Here is a message to both the Socialists and the Fascists (who are fraternal twins): Neither one of these puppets is going to save the U.S. from the other, they both work for the same team.

        This nation has abandoned/forsaken God, so is it no wonder that there is NOT a single candidate amongst the proffered who is a true Bible believing Christian.

        Romney believes an angel gave another (contradictory) message to Joseph Smith. This is what the Apostle Paul wrote about that in Gal 1:8 “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.”

        Ryan believes his sins can only be forgiven by a priest and that the Pope is a substitute in office for the Christ Jesus. 1 Timothy 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

        Obama, only God knows, but when one wears as many different theological hats as he does it would be fair to say that what he professes he is, and what he truly is are NOT the same.

        Belinda, you wrote, “Why don’t y’all get on board and join the Americans that want to bring about what is best for all Americans…not just the libertarian following.”

        How is voting for an Obama with different pigmentation going to be what is best for all Americans?

        I wonder if you are grasping what other commenters are writing about Romney? If you could, then you would NOT be such a strong advocate for the guys with R’s after their names, for they will take us to the same Socialist/Fascist wasteland of BIG government. Big government is just one of the things that we Libertarians oppose, because as Thomas Jefferson wrote, “A government big enough to give you everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have….”

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Mimi and Belinda, if you have ANY integrity at all, you will follow your conscience and vote for the BEST MAN FOR THE JOB! Are you happy with things as they are? Based upon PAST ACTIONS, do you think that romney will be the president you WANT?!? You must not allow yourself to make your decision based upon what a politician TELLS you! It MUST be based upon what they DO!!! Are you willing to give up YOUR VALUES AND INTEGRITY to elect the man just because he’s NOT obumass?!? If every person in this country had VALUES AND INTEGRITY, we wouldn’t BE in the situation we are in! If everyone would vote for who they thought was best for the job, we wouldn’t have to SETTLE for the choices THEY gave us!!! It is time to STAND UP!!! You may not get another chance!!!

      • Liberty4Me

        @BELINDA… I have grown up, dear. I realized long ago that voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for an evil. Romny may be the lesser of two evils but an evil non-the-less. Like DaveH, I refuse to be a party to the destruction of America by voting for either of these clowns. I realized that voting against my principle is a wasted vote. I’ll not compromise on what is right for what is almost right.

      • Meteorlady

        Been gone for a time – where did Mimi come from Mars? Mimi.. NOT VOTE IS WASTED IF IT’S CAST INTELLIGENTLY. People like you are the result of the two party system. A system that is corrupt and breeds special interest and screws the American people continually. If people continue to be brainwashed into “wasting their vote” we will never get out of the mess we are in and take our country back from the crooks in government.

        • Belinda

          I am sure Mimi is responsible for bringing the two party system into being. I am sure she does not go about living her life as best she can. Making a living as best she can. Trying to do as best she can. She is as responsible for making up the system of our government as you are. Why do you harass her for something she is not responsible for? Is is because she does not happen to agree with her?

      • http://none Bonnie Cruz

        DaveH answer a question Please. I want Ron Paul yes I think he is the best hope for the future of our children, grands and great grands. Now everyone keeps telling if I vote for Ron Paul the vote will go to Obama. I donot want to live under Muslum law and we will get that with Obama. Now I really don’t cotten to Romney either and if this is true I will be forced to vote for Romney. Is this True??

        • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

          That’s the fallacy.

          You’re not forced to vote for anybody, no matter how much those parties try to make the case, that you have no choice.

          – Smoov

          • Belinda

            Think logically Bonnie. Look at history if you are so young. Look into the election where a third party candidate took the votes from the republican candidate and Clinton won. Think Ross Peroe. These people are l. don’t know history. 2. are working for Obama. 3. don’t care. or 4. are delusional that their candidate can win at this time. or 5. are straight delusional.

      • redjacobson

        Right on Dave. Ron Paul is right on all the issues and I will always support him and his views on the issues that are facing this republic. Gary Johnson is the candidate I will vote for in 2012. I believe in the Liberterian Party platform and trust it’s candidates at local,state or federal levels.

  • lambamba

    Paul Ryan wants vaginal ultrasounds all over the country . So you’re right .
    Paul Ryan wants big government all ove America .

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      WTF!!!??? THAT’S how you participate in the discussion?!?

  • Warrior

    The toilet is full of you know what right now, it stinks to high heaven and it is time to flush it. Progessivism = dirty potty. Dump them now and your whole sh$tty outlook will immediately change to real hope. Does anyone else see the same despair I see everyday? The whole country is in a funk and has been for several years now. Progressives are not the answer, period!

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      so true…..the last fetid progressive McCain should have taught republicans that people will not vote for those progressives

      Romney is a wolf in sheeps clothing….he’s supported all those progressive policies of Obama’s at one time

      • Belinda

        I say the wolf in sheep’s clothing comes in all shapes and sizes and even those claiming to be libertarian die-hards who are in actuality Obamarite cult supporters.

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        stuff that bilge Belinda

        I vote for the best CONSTITUTIONAL candidate…..that’s my priority and that sure doesn’t include the dictator Obama which your RINO’s enabled every single chance they got.

        Romney and Ryan are traitors to the constitution….they both support going away from it…check out their records & you will see. In fact all the things we have mentioned proves they are unconstitutional so you are just spitting in the wind

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Rhonda, does it occur to you that THEY gave us mccain and romney for THAT VERY REASON!!! THEY will not allow anyone who will not follow THEIR agenda! CHOICE IS AN ILLUSION!!!

      • Anthony

        Nancy I’m sure when you say “they” you are talking about the Banksters! They control both parties and the president is their puppet! The best way to shut them down is to stop their money creating! take a look at this! But I must forewarn you…..once you learn the truth you can never go back!
        http://www.educationcenter2000.com/Secret_Banker's_Manual.pdf

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Anthony, yup! And I’ll take a look at the PDF tomorrow. Thanks for sharing it!

  • Wayne

    “Let me say it straight: If my neighbor on one side is in a gay union and the neighbor on the other side smokes grass (and if is not hurting me or anyone else), why can’t they? That’s how I look at it; I am a true libertarian.” You say this about other groups as well what if the gay union person hides the fact they child molesters some do this hide behind that lie that my gay union does not hurt anybody or you mention someone who smokes grass and he also offers it to your grandkids will they hurt someone? I do not see either group making good neighbors and people I want to be around.

    • Chester

      Wayne, there are gay child molesters just as there are straight child molesters, and very few of either are in a committed relationship, so don’t drag that bag of BS out and claim it is sugar. A child molester is just that, a child molester, and seldom do they “hide” as something else. Perhaps you need to spend some time with some of the people you are condemning before you go telling the world who or what they are, or who or what they disguise themselves as. Right now you know just enough to draw life in prison because you took it upon yourself to out a child molester and practiced a little vigilante justice on the wrong person.

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        true….but studies have shown the majority of child molesters are heterosexual

    • http://www.facebook.com/eugene.frana Eugene Frana

      I hope you don’t live next to a Catholic church or a coach of a football team or a boy scout leader.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Wayne, when that person steps over the line and hurts someone else, that’s a game changer! The whole POINT is, if their NOT hurting anyone else…

  • WhatIsLiberty

    The GOP had an opportunity to do something great and squandered it. Obama will win another four years…to hell with the lesser of evil – it’s still damn evil…it’s John McCain all over again…pfft.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      AMEN..
      I FOR ONE AM SO FED UP WITH THIS 2 BAD CHOICES THING THE 2 PARTY DICTATORSHIP OFFERS I AM GOING ROGUE AND VOTING 3RD PARTY

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      THEIR agenda WILL go forward!!! Why do you think they give you the choices they give you?!? You take my man “R” OR you take my man “D”! Which one do you want?!? Most people will go along! WAKE THEM UP!!!

    • Meteorlady

      Neither the Republican party of the Democratic parties have done anything “great” for a long long time. As soon as the Democrats found out they could buy votes by putting people on the government plantation with free stuff, they were doomed as a party. The Republicans found that they could impose the moral laws on others, and they supported a lot of monied and banking interest, along with the Democrats who are hypocrites because they do both.

      Think about who has been HAND PICKED for you to vote for for the past 25 years or so. The primaries, caucuses and conventions are rigged. In my state, the Democrats have so rigged the thing that I don’t understand why we even spend tax dollars having a primary. We voted in 2008 in the primary and in the Democratic one Hillary Clinton came out ahead. A few weeks later they had caucuses and Obama won…. Obama got the delegates even though he didn’t win the primary. Sad…. then add in the Democratic “super delegates” so that if the party doesn’t like who is getting nominated, they can throw the vote in favor of who they WANT to WIN.

  • Chuck Case

    You blew this call. Unfortunately, Libertarian philosophy is too extreme to to defeat Obama.
    Small steps. Romney/Ryan will infuse confidence in business right away! They will also help to provide the morale boost that citizens need. It will take time to steer the great ship that is America back to the right path.

    • Liberty Lover

      Exactly right, Chuck.

      • DaveH

        If you believe in what Chuck promotes, you are no Liberty Lover.

    • Cliffystones

      I’m reminded about the joke where a guy asks a gas station attendant directions. His reply is “you can’t get there from here”.

      I love Libertarian principles in theory. Even some socialist ideas look good on paper. But we need to be thoughtful, careful and systematic if we are to return this country to it’s original principles. Way too many people think gubmint handouts are “rights”, and will need to be re-educated over time.

    • DaveH

      Chuck says — “You blew this call. Unfortunately, Libertarian philosophy is too extreme to to defeat Obama”.
      You know this HOW, Chuck?
      Please explain what is “extreme” about Libertarian philosophy.

      • DaveH

        For those who would really like to explore Libertarian philosophy as explained by one of the Greatest Thinkers of our time — Murray Rothbard:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/For%20a%20New%20Liberty%20The%20Libertarian%20Manifesto.pdf

      • Anthony

        Here is just the tip of the iceberg Dave67

        Even as we pass judgment on countries we consider unfree, Americans remain confident that any definition of a free nation must include their own — the land of free. Yet, the laws and practices of the land should shake that confidence. In the decade since Sept. 11, 2001, this country has comprehensively reduced civil liberties in the name of an expanded security state. The most recent example of this was the National Defense Authorization Act, signed Dec. 31, which allows for the indefinite detention of citizens. At what point does the reduction of individual rights in our country change how we define ourselves?

        While each new national security power Washington has embraced was controversial when enacted, they are often discussed in isolation. But they don’t operate in isolation. They form a mosaic of powers under which our country could be considered, at least in part, authoritarian. Americans often proclaim our nation as a symbol of freedom to the world while dismissing nations such as Cuba and China as categorically unfree. Yet, objectively, we may be only half right. Those countries do lack basic individual rights such as due process, placing them outside any reasonable definition of “free,” but the United States now has much more in common with such regimes than anyone may like to admit.

        These countries also have constitutions that purport to guarantee freedoms and rights. But their governments have broad discretion in denying those rights and few real avenues for challenges by citizens — precisely the problem with the new laws in this country.

        The list of powers acquired by the U.S. government since 9/11 puts us in rather troubling company.

        Assassination of U.S. citizens

        President Obama has claimed, as President George W. Bush did before him, the right to order the killing of any citizen considered a terrorist or an abettor of terrorism. Last year, he approved the killing of U.S. citizen Anwar al-Awlaqi and another citizen under this claimed inherent authority. Last month, administration officials affirmed that power, stating that the president can order the assassination of any citizen whom he considers allied with terrorists. (Nations such as Nigeria, Iran and Syria have been routinely criticized for extrajudicial killings of enemies of the state.)

        Indefinite detention

        Under the law signed last month, terrorism suspects are to be held by the military; the president also has the authority to indefinitely detain citizens accused of terrorism. While Sen. Carl Levin insisted the bill followed existing law “whatever the law is,” the Senate specifically rejected an amendment that would exempt citizens and the Administration has opposed efforts to challenge such authority in federal court. The Administration continues to claim the right to strip citizens of legal protections based on its sole discretion. (China recently codified a more limited detention law for its citizens, while countries such as Cambodia have been singled out by the United States for “prolonged detention.”)

        Arbitrary justice

        The president now decides whether a person will receive a trial in the federal courts or in a military tribunal, a system that has been ridiculed around the world for lacking basic due process protections. Bush claimed this authority in 2001, and Obama has continued the practice. (Egypt and China have been denounced for maintaining separate military justice systems for selected defendants, including civilians.)

        Warrantless searches

        The president may now order warrantless surveillance, including a new capability to force companies and organizations to turn over information on citizens’ finances, communications and associations. Bush acquired this sweeping power under the Patriot Act in 2001, and in 2011, Obama extended the power, including searches of everything from business documents to library records. The government can use “national security letters” to demand, without probable cause, that organizations turn over information on citizens — and order them not to reveal the disclosure to the affected party. (Saudi Arabia and Pakistan operate under laws that allow the government to engage in widespread discretionary surveillance.)

        Secret evidence

        The government now routinely uses secret evidence to detain individuals and employs secret evidence in federal and military courts. It also forces the dismissal of cases against the United States by simply filing declarations that the cases would make the government reveal classified information that would harm national security — a claim made in a variety of privacy lawsuits and largely accepted by federal judges without question. Even legal opinions, cited as the basis for the government’s actions under the Bush and Obama administrations, have been classified. This allows the government to claim secret legal arguments to support secret proceedings using secret evidence. In addition, some cases never make it to court at all. The federal courts routinely deny constitutional challenges to policies and programs under a narrow definition of standing to bring a case.

        War crimes

        The world clamored for prosecutions of those responsible for waterboarding terrorism suspects during the Bush administration, but the Obama administration said in 2009 that it would not allow CIA employees to be investigated or prosecuted for such actions. This gutted not just treaty obligations but the Nuremberg principles of international law. When courts in countries such as Spain moved to investigate Bush officials for war crimes, the Obama administration reportedly urged foreign officials not to allow such cases to proceed, despite the fact that the United States has long claimed the same authority with regard to alleged war criminals in other countries. (Various nations have resisted investigations of officials accused of war crimes and torture. Some, such as Serbia and Chile, eventually relented to comply with international law; countries that have denied independent investigations include Iran, Syria and China.)

        Secret court

        The government has increased its use of the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, which has expanded its secret warrants to include individuals deemed to be aiding or abetting hostile foreign governments or organizations. In 2011, Obama renewed these powers, including allowing secret searches of individuals who are not part of an identifiable terrorist group. The administration has asserted the right to ignore congressional limits on such surveillance. (Pakistan places national security surveillance under the unchecked powers of the military or intelligence services.)

        Immunity from judicial review

        Like the Bush administration, the Obama administration has successfully pushed for immunity for companies that assist in warrantless surveillance of citizens, blocking the ability of citizens to challenge the violation of privacy. (Similarly, China has maintained sweeping immunity claims both inside and outside the country and routinely blocks lawsuits against private companies.)

        Continual monitoring of citizens

        The Obama administration has successfully defended its claim that it can use GPS devices to monitor every move of targeted citizens without securing any court order or review. It is not defending the power before the Supreme Court — a power described by Justice Anthony Kennedy as “Orwellian.” (Saudi Arabia has installed massive public surveillance systems, while Cuba is notorious for active monitoring of selected citizens.)

        Extraordinary renditions

        The government now has the ability to transfer both citizens and noncitizens to another country under a system known as extraordinary rendition, which has been denounced as using other countries, such as Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Pakistan, to torture suspects. The Obama administration says it is not continuing the abuses of this practice under Bush, but it insists on the unfettered right to order such transfers — including the possible transfer of U.S. citizens.

        These new laws have come with an infusion of money into an expanded security system on the state and federal levels, including more public surveillance cameras, tens of thousands of security personnel and a massive expansion of a terrorist-chasing bureaucracy.

        Some politicians shrug and say these increased powers are merely a response to the times we live in. Thus, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) could declare in an interview last spring without objection that “free speech is a great idea, but we’re in a war.” Of course, terrorism will never “surrender” and end this particular “war.”

        Other politicians rationalize that, while such powers may exist, it really comes down to how they are used. This is a common response by liberals who cannot bring themselves to denounce Obama as they did Bush. Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.), for instance, has insisted that Congress is not making any decision on indefinite detention: “That is a decision which we leave where it belongs — in the executive branch.”

        And in a signing statement with the defense authorization bill, Obama said he does not intend to use the latest power to indefinitely imprison citizens. Yet, he still accepted the power as a sort of regretful autocrat.

        An authoritarian nation is defined not just by the use of authoritarian powers, but by the ability to use them. If a president can take away your freedom or your life on his own authority, all rights become little more than a discretionary grant subject to executive will.

        The framers lived under autocratic rule and understood this danger better than we do. James Madison famously warned that we needed a system that did not depend on the good intentions or motivations of our rulers: “If men were angels, no government would be necessary.”

        Benjamin Franklin was more direct. In 1787, a Mrs. Powel confronted Franklin after the signing of the Constitution and asked, “Well, Doctor, what have we got — a republic or a monarchy?” His response was a bit chilling: “A republic, Madam, if you can keep it.”

        Since 9/11, we have created the very government the framers feared: a government with sweeping and largely unchecked powers resting on the hope that they will be used wisely.

        The indefinite-detention provision in the defense authorization bill seemed to many civil libertarians like a betrayal by Obama. While the president had promised to veto the law over that provision, Levin, a sponsor of the bill, disclosed on the Senate floor that it was in fact the White House that approved the removal of any exception for citizens from indefinite detention.

        Dishonesty from politicians is nothing new for Americans. The real question is whether we are lying to ourselves when we call this country the land of the free.

        • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

          > The real question is whether we are lying to ourselves
          > when we call this country the land of the free.

          The real answer is yes, we’re lying to ourselves, and have been for a long time.

          Both the Dems and the Reps have done this. Both parties want to impose their ideology on the people via the government.

          This is the opposite of freedom.

          This is tyranny of the majority.

          This is not Liberty.

          – Smoov

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      If not now when Chuck.???
      we are at the tipping point NOW
      People need to grow a spine and just say no to the NWO candidates both parties offer

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Is it extreme to want BACK what our forefathers gave us?!? Do you consider republicans and democrats arguing back and forth and calling each other names, a morale boost?!? Do you think that staying on the same track we’ve been on for years, which has brought our country to the depths of h*ll will boost ANYONE’S MORALE?!? It’s time for REAL change, BACK to our roots!!! BACK to what made this country GREAT!!! FREEDOM!!!

      • Dave67

        Nancy,

        When I asked you what freedom’s have you lost in the last 30 years… the only thing you could come up with was “I can’t protest in from of the President anymore” Thanks to Reagan BTW..

        I agree with much of the libertarian philosophy except global trade and currency, that is where Ron Paul and the rest of the libertarians are out to lunch I also do not buy into the Gov is inheriently bad like many here subscribe.

        I do wish the people who say “we want freedom back” had the chance to live in Saudi Arabia, Cuba, China to see what not having freedom is truly all about.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Dave67, you asked me to name ONE freedom that we had lost! I did so! If you wanted me to write a book, you should have said so! I would have declined!!! And Reagan had NOTHING to do with that loss of freedom! Up until obumass signed his executive order, I was FREE to protest WHATEVER I wished!!! Nowadays, if you post something against the government on your Facebook page, they will come and take you in handcuffs to the crazy ward!!!

      • Dave67

        Nancy,

        If any of your nonsense was true… why aren’t you in jail? Give me the executive order that forbids you from protesting the President.

        You need to get out and see the world if you think you have lost your freedom. If you believe you have lost freedom, then you have no idea what the term means.

      • Dave67

        Nancy,

        I found your executive order:

        “Obama has just issued an executive order claiming the power to freeze any assets you own, if you “directly or indirectly” obstruct the new government of Yemen”

        Yes, there you have it

        Oh and here is what W did…

        President Bush enacted into US law an ‘Executive Order’ on July 17th titled “Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq”, and which says:

        “By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, as amended (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.)(IEEPA), the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.)(NEA), and section 301 of title 3, United States Code,

        I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, find that, due to the unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States posed by acts of violence threatening the peace and stability of Iraq and undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq and to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people, it is in the interests of the United States to take additional steps with respect to the national emergency declared in Executive Order 13303 of May 22, 2003, and expanded in Executive Order 13315 of August 28, 2003, and relied upon for additional steps taken in Executive Order 13350 of July 29, 2004, and Executive Order 13364 of November 29, 2004.”

        Reagan gave us Executive Order 12333: Strengthened management of the United States Intelligence Community

        So Nancy, Not to call you a crackpot or anything… But going about your life, you have lost ZERO freedom… I still can do everything I did growing up. And for you to blame Obama for all this loss of freedom, makes you a crackpot.

      • Anthony

        Dave67 I hope your just kidding….to say we have lost no freedom!

        Even as we pass judgment on countries we consider unfree, Americans remain confident that any definition of a free nation must include their own — the land of free. Yet, the laws and practices of the land should shake that confidence. In the decade since Sept. 11, 2001, this country has comprehensively reduced civil liberties in the name of an expanded security state. The most recent example of this was the National Defense Authorization Act, signed Dec. 31, which allows for the indefinite detention of citizens. At what point does the reduction of individual rights in our country change how we define ourselves?

        While each new national security power Washington has embraced was controversial when enacted, they are often discussed in isolation. But they don’t operate in isolation. They form a mosaic of powers under which our country could be considered, at least in part, authoritarian. Americans often proclaim our nation as a symbol of freedom to the world while dismissing nations such as Cuba and China as categorically unfree. Yet, objectively, we may be only half right. Those countries do lack basic individual rights such as due process, placing them outside any reasonable definition of “free,” but the United States now has much more in common with such regimes than anyone may like to admit.

        These countries also have constitutions that purport to guarantee freedoms and rights. But their governments have broad discretion in denying those rights and few real avenues for challenges by citizens — precisely the problem with the new laws in this country.

        The list of powers acquired by the U.S. government since 9/11 puts us in rather troubling company.

        Assassination of U.S. citizens

        President Obama has claimed, as President George W. Bush did before him, the right to order the killing of any citizen considered a terrorist or an abettor of terrorism. Last year, he approved the killing of U.S. citizen Anwar al-Awlaqi and another citizen under this claimed inherent authority. Last month, administration officials affirmed that power, stating that the president can order the assassination of any citizen whom he considers allied with terrorists. (Nations such as Nigeria, Iran and Syria have been routinely criticized for extrajudicial killings of enemies of the state.)

        Indefinite detention

        Under the law signed last month, terrorism suspects are to be held by the military; the president also has the authority to indefinitely detain citizens accused of terrorism. While Sen. Carl Levin insisted the bill followed existing law “whatever the law is,” the Senate specifically rejected an amendment that would exempt citizens and the Administration has opposed efforts to challenge such authority in federal court. The Administration continues to claim the right to strip citizens of legal protections based on its sole discretion. (China recently codified a more limited detention law for its citizens, while countries such as Cambodia have been singled out by the United States for “prolonged detention.”)

        Arbitrary justice

        The president now decides whether a person will receive a trial in the federal courts or in a military tribunal, a system that has been ridiculed around the world for lacking basic due process protections. Bush claimed this authority in 2001, and Obama has continued the practice. (Egypt and China have been denounced for maintaining separate military justice systems for selected defendants, including civilians.)

        Warrantless searches

        The president may now order warrantless surveillance, including a new capability to force companies and organizations to turn over information on citizens’ finances, communications and associations. Bush acquired this sweeping power under the Patriot Act in 2001, and in 2011, Obama extended the power, including searches of everything from business documents to library records. The government can use “national security letters” to demand, without probable cause, that organizations turn over information on citizens — and order them not to reveal the disclosure to the affected party. (Saudi Arabia and Pakistan operate under laws that allow the government to engage in widespread discretionary surveillance.)

        Secret evidence

        The government now routinely uses secret evidence to detain individuals and employs secret evidence in federal and military courts. It also forces the dismissal of cases against the United States by simply filing declarations that the cases would make the government reveal classified information that would harm national security — a claim made in a variety of privacy lawsuits and largely accepted by federal judges without question. Even legal opinions, cited as the basis for the government’s actions under the Bush and Obama administrations, have been classified. This allows the government to claim secret legal arguments to support secret proceedings using secret evidence. In addition, some cases never make it to court at all. The federal courts routinely deny constitutional challenges to policies and programs under a narrow definition of standing to bring a case.

        War crimes

        The world clamored for prosecutions of those responsible for waterboarding terrorism suspects during the Bush administration, but the Obama administration said in 2009 that it would not allow CIA employees to be investigated or prosecuted for such actions. This gutted not just treaty obligations but the Nuremberg principles of international law. When courts in countries such as Spain moved to investigate Bush officials for war crimes, the Obama administration reportedly urged foreign officials not to allow such cases to proceed, despite the fact that the United States has long claimed the same authority with regard to alleged war criminals in other countries. (Various nations have resisted investigations of officials accused of war crimes and torture. Some, such as Serbia and Chile, eventually relented to comply with international law; countries that have denied independent investigations include Iran, Syria and China.)

        Secret court

        The government has increased its use of the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, which has expanded its secret warrants to include individuals deemed to be aiding or abetting hostile foreign governments or organizations. In 2011, Obama renewed these powers, including allowing secret searches of individuals who are not part of an identifiable terrorist group. The administration has asserted the right to ignore congressional limits on such surveillance. (Pakistan places national security surveillance under the unchecked powers of the military or intelligence services.)

        Immunity from judicial review

        Like the Bush administration, the Obama administration has successfully pushed for immunity for companies that assist in warrantless surveillance of citizens, blocking the ability of citizens to challenge the violation of privacy. (Similarly, China has maintained sweeping immunity claims both inside and outside the country and routinely blocks lawsuits against private companies.)

        Continual monitoring of citizens

        The Obama administration has successfully defended its claim that it can use GPS devices to monitor every move of targeted citizens without securing any court order or review. It is not defending the power before the Supreme Court — a power described by Justice Anthony Kennedy as “Orwellian.” (Saudi Arabia has installed massive public surveillance systems, while Cuba is notorious for active monitoring of selected citizens.)

        Extraordinary renditions

        The government now has the ability to transfer both citizens and noncitizens to another country under a system known as extraordinary rendition, which has been denounced as using other countries, such as Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Pakistan, to torture suspects. The Obama administration says it is not continuing the abuses of this practice under Bush, but it insists on the unfettered right to order such transfers — including the possible transfer of U.S. citizens.

        These new laws have come with an infusion of money into an expanded security system on the state and federal levels, including more public surveillance cameras, tens of thousands of security personnel and a massive expansion of a terrorist-chasing bureaucracy.

        Some politicians shrug and say these increased powers are merely a response to the times we live in. Thus, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) could declare in an interview last spring without objection that “free speech is a great idea, but we’re in a war.” Of course, terrorism will never “surrender” and end this particular “war.”

        Other politicians rationalize that, while such powers may exist, it really comes down to how they are used. This is a common response by liberals who cannot bring themselves to denounce Obama as they did Bush. Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.), for instance, has insisted that Congress is not making any decision on indefinite detention: “That is a decision which we leave where it belongs — in the executive branch.”

        And in a signing statement with the defense authorization bill, Obama said he does not intend to use the latest power to indefinitely imprison citizens. Yet, he still accepted the power as a sort of regretful autocrat.

        An authoritarian nation is defined not just by the use of authoritarian powers, but by the ability to use them. If a president can take away your freedom or your life on his own authority, all rights become little more than a discretionary grant subject to executive will.

        The framers lived under autocratic rule and understood this danger better than we do. James Madison famously warned that we needed a system that did not depend on the good intentions or motivations of our rulers: “If men were angels, no government would be necessary.”

        Benjamin Franklin was more direct. In 1787, a Mrs. Powel confronted Franklin after the signing of the Constitution and asked, “Well, Doctor, what have we got — a republic or a monarchy?” His response was a bit chilling: “A republic, Madam, if you can keep it.”

        Since 9/11, we have created the very government the framers feared: a government with sweeping and largely unchecked powers resting on the hope that they will be used wisely.

        The indefinite-detention provision in the defense authorization bill seemed to many civil libertarians like a betrayal by Obama. While the president had promised to veto the law over that provision, Levin, a sponsor of the bill, disclosed on the Senate floor that it was in fact the White House that approved the removal of any exception for citizens from indefinite detention.

        Dishonesty from politicians is nothing new for Americans. The real question is whether we are lying to ourselves when we call this country the land of the free.

        • Belinda

          I hope you don’t think somebody real all that.

      • Gordon

        Dave, in principle aren’t you saying that if the drug dealers and street whores and crime in your town is not as bad as it is in some other location, that you should be happy and satisfied with where you are?

        • Belinda

          Just because the baby has a awful stinky diaper, we don’t throw the baby away. We wipe the baby butt and if that does not do the job, we put the baby in a nice tub of warm bubbly water. Then we put on a fresh clean diaper.
          We know that this is not the first or will it be the last time we have to change a stinky diaper, but we know that the baby is worth the trouble. That is how we must deal with our parties. We will have to deal with a lot of stinky diapers, but one day the baby will be potty trained and that will be a good day.

          • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

            To continue your analogy, that’s not what is happening.

            The Republicans keep throwing away all the clean diapers they have, and just keep scraping off the previously used diaper, putting it back on the baby when they take off the currently used one, recycling both diapers with no end.

            – Smoov

          • Belinda

            So it seems you have given up with your analogy. You are going to give the baby up for adoption and trade it in for another baby…Be that way. But if you give up one baby for adoption, the child and family department will recommend that you do not be allowed to have a new baby. If you are allowed to get the new child, that child may be worse than the one you had.

          • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

            …and this is why I believe you to be an idiot, incapable of the objective critical analysis required to make the kinds of decisions necessary for something this important.

            My analogy, is to stop scraping and reusing old diapers (same old crap RINOs, such as Romney, McCain, etc), and stop throwing away the fresh ones, and put them on the baby (constitutional Republicans, the ones the Republican party was founded on, like Ron Paul)

            – Smoov

          • Belinda

            I see where a libertarian has a pledge he is trying to get everyone to sign saying no to any taxes. We don’t want taxes, but does that mean no reform of any taxes? Somehow that could put Republicans into a box if they can not even reform taxes. Is that the objective to make them unable to do anything and then cry they are not doing anything.

          • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

            but the current Republicans, don’t want less taxes… they don’t want less government… they just disagree with the Democrats, on what form the bigger government should be. at least, that’s the dance they’re playing.

            the result of the dance, is that both sides always compromise… so when “no more” compromises with “more”, you always end up with “more”

            Whenever they compromise, on higher taxes combined with less spending, the feds end up getting their higher taxes, but then they completely forget about cutting spending.

            over, and over, and over again.

            One dirty diaper after another, and every election, ya take the old diaper, scrape it off, and try and slap it back on the party, with a new candidate, who is just going to do the same thing as the others, and crap on The Constitution again.

            We know you folks aren’t going to do anything about it. We know you folks lack the courage and will, to take any kind of serious stand against it.

            We know that, if the problem is continued to be left in your hands? You’ll fail us, because you’ve always failed us in this respect.

            We won’t continue in that insanity any more. We just can’t. We actually give a damn.

            – Smoov

          • Belinda

            You are wrong.

  • http://libertydigest tina

    It’s about time people wake up. America’s true patriotism has been sorely taken advantage of. Romney is part of the “Bush Cabal”. GHW Bush who started the total destruction of America. His father “Prescott” worked for HItler for crying out loud. How in the world did GHW ever get into our CIA, and even worse President of the United States. He pushed the New World Order relentlessly. obama is finishing his work. Wake up people. Go to standupamericaus.org read article posted “America’s secret genocide on Veterans” this will make you sick. Study reports at tdarkcabalblogspot.com on Romney and Bush. Go to americannationalmilitia.com study. Do your homework. Don’t let the commie owned media spoon feed you. Both parties are one at present. Communist to say the least. Where has all our money gone. Study. No politician is going to fix the mess we are in today. We the People will. obama= The Biggest Crime In The History of The World. The truth will prevail. It may be hard to digest. They all must be held accountable. Top down.

    • Airangel

      Romney gave his ENTIRE inheritance to charity. (Obama barely paid the required 1%) Romney was an UNPAID intern in th Governments office for 8 years, he was an UNPAID state president for his church 10 years, he took NO PAY for the Salt Lake Olympics 3 years, Took NO SALARY as Mass state governor for 4 years. His wife is a breast cancer survivor and suffers MS. He has stood beside her throughout their marriage. Does any of this sound like a “taker”? He is a good man and twice the man Obama is. Ryan is also a great guy, even former Clinton likes his Medicare plan. Clinton was caught saying so when he thought the micraphone was off.

      Romney saved Baskin Robbins, Staples, Sports Authority, etc. The companies he couldn’t save would have gone under anyway through bad management. They enthuse a hopeless crowd and that is what’s needed to oust Obama. Romney knows how to create jobs, he and Ryan know how restore fiscal responsibility and they are BOTH PRO-USA! Ron Paul lost and needs to bow out gracefully and with some class. We can push for Rand Paul down the road be we must get rid of Obama NOW before the Anti-American team caps America at the knees like the bullies they are!

      • DaveH
      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        Of course Ron Paul will bow out gracefully….but he will never stop talking about LIBERTY

        and those of us who believe in it will never vote for a globalist phony like Romney

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Air angel, SO WHAT?!? Whose agenda will he follow?!? THAT’S what matters!!!

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Will he give us BACK our FREEDOM?!? Will he get rid of the patriot act and the ndaa? Will he get rid of the dept. of homeland security? Will he make the govt. agencies STOP spying on us? Will he get rid of 80% of the laws they have passed which none of US have ever heard of? Will he STOP government officials from giving OUR money to THEIR cronies? Will he kick the UN’s butt OUT of OUR country?!? I could go on and on and on, but I think the answer is a BIG FAT NOOOOOO!!! So, WHY would you vote for him?!?

    • Waldomountainman

      WOW I think someone got up on the radical side of the bed this morning, I believe some have gotten lost in their hate for Obuma and their disappointment their Paul did not get nominated. The situation is one we have to deal with and put our best foot foward, Romney/Paul can do this with our support and careful watch but if we keep bitching and groaning and threatning to write in then we will go down in flames and let Obuma be re-elected. It is time to pull together and let what cannot be go and do what is best considering the situation, this is not the less of two evils.
      Have all the moaners stopped long enough to think of how much more damage Obuma can do with four more years?
      Has anyone considered the ages of the supreme court members? Most are in their eighties and probably won’t last another four years not to mention all the hundreds of other for life appointments he can make. There is a lot riding on this election, probably more than at any other time in the history of this country and if we do not all pull together to make the best of what we have then I fear total destruction of this country as we know it.

      • Waldomountainman

        “Life is understood looking backwards but it must be lived fowards”- Soren Kierkegaard

      • DaveH
      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        silly logic…..Romney is just like Obama

        He won’t win because he’s fake….he was picked to lose— that is obvious

        • Belinda

          Romney and Obama are nothing alike.
          Romney is a successful businessman who knows how to run a successful business.. .Obama…no.
          Romney has a lot of experience running a state as Governor…Obama …no.
          Romney is a faithful and longstanding follower of his religion….Obama ..no
          (do we even know what he religion is..I sure don’t…Obama…no
          Romney knows something about economy….Obama no.
          Obama was successful as a community organizer, thus his prowess and cunning as a politician. Wonder why he did not make it as a lawyer.
          I could go on and on, but I have other things to do today.

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        Romneyh offshores millions to avoid paying taxes Belinda- we call that tax dodging
        Romney ran Massachusetts into enormous debt with Romneycare
        Romney is supported by the same big $ wall street banks Obama is
        Romney’s bain company got charged with 450,000,000 in medicare fraud
        Romney nor any of his 5 sons ever served in the military
        Romney’s religion is polytheistic, thinks they become gods after death, and believe Satan and Jesus are brothers….you want to talk about a kook?

        I could go on too…

      • DaveH

        Read this, Belinda:
        http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-09/goldman-sachs-leads-split-with-obama-as-ge-jilts-him-too.html
        These same companies have been steering our politics for well over half a century. Quit being led around by the nose, Belinda.

      • DaveH
      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Belinda, do you think I care about ANY of those things?!? I care about whether he’s going to restore our FREEDOMS and return this country to GREATNESS!!! Will he do THOSE things?!? NO, HE WILL NOT!!! So why on EARTH would I vote for HIM??? In THOSE respects, he is NO different than obumass!!!

        • Belinda

          He will change the direction that Obama has lead this country into. First of all his apology tour where he bowed down the the enemy and snubbed our allies. He wont be saying bad things when he thought no one was hearing about our allies Israel. He won’t be talking ill of our servicemen. He wont be treating any of us who disagree with him as enemies of the country. He want tell us those who work to have what they do that they didn’t do it.If there is an oil spill he won’t have to have unions to help clean it up even though they volunteered and were experienced. He won’t use every opportunity for a photo opt. When money is tight and deficit growing he won’t give Brazil millions of dollars to drill oil so they can sell to other countries. He won’t make deals with other countries to throw away our defense systems. On the National Day of Prayer, he will actually have a prayer and it not be a time to politic for his tax increase.His answer to gas is to get us to buy an expensive car. He must think we all are rich. I am afraid of them, even if I could afford them. they catch on fire and catch your house on fire. I have heard that in a few years the battery has to be replaced and cost from six to ten thousand dollars to replace. That tells me he does not know about the normal person who lives in America. Maybe Clooney can buy such a car.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        I’ll say it again, Belinda!

        Belinda, do you think I care about ANY of those things?!? I care about whether he’s going to restore our FREEDOMS and return this country to GREATNESS!!! Will he do THOSE things?!? NO, HE WILL NOT!!! So why on EARTH would I vote for HIM??? In THOSE respects, he is NO different than obumass!!!

  • Corkey

    Ron Paul is still the best candidate. The American people are a bunch of MSM brainwashed knuckleheads who cannot think logically.

    • braindeadus

      right on

    • DaveH

      Mainly brainwashed by the Public School System. Even our wise Ancestors, 300 years ago, knew of the danger:
      http://mises.org/journals/jls/7_1/7_1_3.pdf

    • Mimi

      Get a grip Corkey, if the previous article didn’t enlighten you, I guess nothing will. Ron Paul is no longer a candidate. Get over it, and git er done! Four more years of Obama, and our country will be so weakened, we’ll be at the mercy of all terrorists, not to mention being relegated to serfdom by this Socialist and his Socialist administration. Socialism doesn’t work period. That’s been proven all over Europe in front of our very eyes. Can’t any of you get that through your brains?!!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        can’t you get it through your THICK SKULL that Romneycare is socialism too?

      • Karen

        I fear you are right, Mimi. Obama got himself elected for the sole purpose of the destruction of America, from the inside.

      • WhatIsLiberty

        Because for some reason you cannot turn off the clap trap that is mainstream media – Ron Paul IS still in the race and can STILL be nominated from the floor at the RNC. Pull your head out of the sand – you necons supporting the statist quo is why this country is going to get exactly what it deserves – socialism or fascism.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Mimi, do you HONESTLY THINK that obumass DID THIS ALL BY HIMSELF in just 3 1/2 years?!? This HAS BEEN HAPPENING FOR YEARS and it didn’t matter WHO was in office!!! obumass is JUST the icing on the cake, the one to blame! BOTH the republicans AND the democraps are following the SAME AGENDA!!! They are ALL OWNED by the powerful ones who pull the strings!!! It didn’t matter that we had 8 years of bush! He didn’t SAVE us! It won’t matter if we have 4 years of romney! They work for the SAME PEOPLE! BOTH parties are OWNED!!! Why do you think that NOTHING changes for the better, ONLY for the worse?!? Look back, as many years as you can remember. Did ANYONE try to turn this ship around?!? We ARE where we ARE because it was plotted and planned!!! NO ONE, including obumass could do this by themselves!!!

        • Belinda

          Another Blame it on Bush Obama wanttabe

        • Belinda

          How soon we all forget…September eleven….anyone…our world changed as we know it…

          • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

            There are times, where I wish, I had actually read that book Arguing With Idiots, cuz I think it would help right now…

            Belinda… the 9/11 trump card lost its effectiveness a long time ago, it has no relevance to the issue at hand today.

            Retire that flash-card, and replace it with a new one.

            – Smoov

          • Belinda

            Over three thousand Americans loosing their lives at the hands of an enemy. Obama will not even acknowledge as terrorists and he just let one of the organizers loose.
            You don’t even acknowledge this point in time as important. Yet the founding of our country and getting back to the beginnings of our country, but an attack on the innocence of our country. Something that changed our country for ever in your lifetime, you say has no importance, is already forgotten.
            Where is the lunacy? I do not think it is me.

          • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

            I take issue with your assertion that it has changed our country forever. That isn’t the first time we’ve been directly attacked, and it won’t be the last.

            That event didn’t change our country. The events that followed, and many that occurred before, through our politicians, is what changed our country, and I don’t believe that change is ‘forever’…

            ‘forever’, implies hopelessness…

            It implies, that we can’t return to what we’re supposed to be.

            Some argue, that our straying from our purpose, had a direct contributing effect, to us having so many enemies today, and looking at it objectively, I cannot honestly stay they are wrong. We do LOVE to meddle in other people’s business, after all. It is only natural that those others, don’t like it, and will strike back. I know I would, if someone kept sticking their nose into my business, messing around with my life.

            I don’t agree with the attack, but I do understand it.

            We can’t just keep putting the blame on others, like Obama does, like both Progressive parties do with blaming each other constantly.

            We deserve some of the responsibility for our actions, and the results of those actions.

            This, is what conservatism is supposed to be about. Leaving people alone to live their lives, intervening if, and only if, they interfere with the rights of their neighbor.

            The world is bigger than your apparent limited worldview expresses.

            We aren’t the greatest country in the world anymore, and we haven’t been for a long time.

            Romney isn’t the kind of man who will do something about that, and if he was, his party, would not allow that to happen.

            – Smoov

          • Belinda

            For this generation it has changed America. We always felt safe above the fray. We always felt like the whole world loved us, and most of the world did love us. We found out that this was not so. We lost an innocence, naivete, if you will. We learned many lessons and we still have more to learn.
            Obama has brought a danger to our country. He did not learn a lesson. He does not see any danger. His letter the illegal immigrants a free pass, there is a danger.
            Tell me how many terrorist can walk on in to the United States and be welcomed in without little proof.
            I think there could be a fairer safer way to allow these immigrants to stay here.
            It is unfair to those who tried to do it the right way.
            I know a man who is 63 right now. He came into this country at the age of four from Germany. His mother married an American. He grew up in America. He went to school graduated, went and served honorably in Vietnam. He got out and then worked in the United States. In l997, he had a heart attack. He didn’t work for a while, didn’t drive, lost his car and finally was without a license. He had a job working at home for a while on his computer. He was registered to vote. He decided to get a job outside of the home and went to get his drivers license. This was after Sept. 11. He was unable to get his drivers license again. He had to get a birth certificate and then he had to go to Atlanta to see about getting his citizenship. He had to go many times and had to pay over two thousand dollars to get papers to apply for citizenship. Then he had to wait six years before they would give him his citizenship..

          • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

            Most of the world did not love us. That was political propaganda, nothing more.

            It would be more accurate to say, that most of the world, rolled their eyes at us, and rightfully so.

            – Smoov

          • Belinda

            I don’t know about that…It has always been, if something ever goes wrong in the world, whoever it is would look to us for help….and most of the time we would oblige.

          • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

            Not always…

            But, the times you are most likely referring to, when we actually declared war proper, and cared more about winning than we did about appearances, have nothing to do with the kind of country we are today.

            Those times that I’m referring to, happened back when we still knew what greatness was really about.

            – Smoov

          • Belinda

            Are you sure that if Ron Paul were the president we would return to the position of one of the greatest nations? Maybe, but I do not know. I listened to him in the debates and he is a very likeable man,with smart ideas. Down to earth person.but a few ideas I was not so sure about and I am wondering if those policies would command respect for our country or make us up for ridicule.

          • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

            No, I don’t… I’m not so stupid as to believe that a single person in a single office has the kind of power to make that happen. Just that he would be a good start, and since he is the only one in DC right now that gives a damn, the best place for him is in the office that takes up such a big portion of what happens in DC.

            We won’t become “the greatest country” on the planet again, until we, collectively, finally yank our heads out of our collective asses, and stop trying to shove responsibility for our own failings on other people.

            We’re responsible for the state we’re in right now. We allowed it to happen, complacent, willfully ignorant.

            We’re too busy getting our pitchforks cuz someone saw a nipple on TV…

            We’re too busy giving a damn if a politician went for a skinny-dip overseas.

            We’re too busy trying to regulate what our citizens do when we’re out of the country in other countries’ jurisdictions, where we have no business imposing our laws.

            We’re too busy fighting about whether the gov’t should pay for birth control, when the debate was about religious freedom.

            We’re too busy pressing charges against teachers who hug their students.

            We’re too busy shutting down children’s lemonade stands.

            We’re too busy investigating steroid use in baseball.

            We’re too busy trying to dictate who can and can’t join their households together.

            We’re too busy fighting a war on drugs, while simultaneously being the biggest problem in said war. Legalization would end the vast majority of the problems, particularly when it comes to violence, and who the hell is anybody else to have any kind of say what I can or can’t put in my own damned body? My body is MINE, not the governments, not yours, not anybody else’s, and all of you can mind your own damned business… doesn’t matter what I choose to put in it or not put in it or where.

            We’re too busy trying to make the whole world kid-friendly that we can’t even be adults anymore, and we refuse to raise our children to be adult, raising them to stay children and never grow up and be responsible for their own actions.

            We’re too busy trying to hurt a restaurant chain, just because the top guy is pro-life.

            We’re too busy trying to stop people from getting the drink they want in the size that they want, and whether or not they can smoke in their own damned car.

            We’re too busy printing money and forcing our currency to inflate intentionally at an outrageous pace, weakening it to the point where other countries are abandoning it as their reserve currency of choice.

            We’re too busy taking offense at anything and yelling about how we have a right to not be offended, when the freedom to speak freely, requires that others be offended by it without the speaker having to live in fear for his safety by either the state or the citizenry.

            We’re too busy trying to save everyone from their choices, under the delusion that we know better than them what risk they deem acceptable to them.

            We’re too busy glued to the TV to keep up with Jersey Shore, and Jackass, and similar tripe, chasing every bit of selacious(sp?) gossip we can get our hands on about anyone ripe to be torn down, even our closest friends.

            We’re too busy avoiding letting people just be people, regardless if they are a celebrity, politician, rich, or commoner, sticking all of our labels all over them, dehumanizing them, making them conform to our own messed up ideas of who they are supposed to be, especially when we won’t even allow them to keep their private lives private.

            We’re too busy not pulling our pants up.

            We’re too busy not educating ourselves.

            We’re too busy not reading or writing fluently.

            We’re too busy not even knowing how to read an analog clock anymore.

            We’re too busy to learn how to do enough math to balance our checkbooks, or understand that you can’t spend more than you make, and what having debt, does to your financial security.

            We’re too busy keeping it real while at the same time, being anything but real.

            We’re too busy doing the same thing, day after day, year after year, election after election, and still expecting a different result.

            We’re too busy being told what the question is and that we need to have a conversation, to just have the conversation, ask our own questions, and not allow people to get off without actually answering them directly.

            We’re too busy keeping our collective heads stuck up our asses, clinging to our facade of superiority when we should be ashamed of ourselves.

            We’re too busy being afraid of standing up for ourselves, taking risks, reaching for high goals, and doing great things.

            No… we’re not a great country… and it will be a long, long time, before we will be again, if we ever will be. Not if we’re too afraid to make real, serious, changes, in our representation, and what we expect from them.

            We will never again, be a great country, if we aren’t willing to take an honest, critical, look, at what we have done, the consequences of our choices.

            We will never again, be a great country, if we don’t have the guts to vote for people, instead of against people.

            We will never again, be a great country, if we continue to choose mediocrity.

            We will never be able to address the problem, as long as we refuse to recognize what the problem is, in the first place.

            This is why we are not loved, as a country, all over the world. This is why, as a country, we are a laughing stock, by people from other countries, who have the luxury of looking at us from the outside, not caught up in all the crap that gets in our way, looking from within.

            We have no clue who we really are, anymore, and our choices demonstrate it.

            We need to make serious changes. We need to elect serious people. We need people who will tell us what they think, instead of what they think we want to hear. We need people who aren’t afraid to stand up against the status quo.

            We’ve become too complacent. Too wimpy. Too accepting of politics as usual, of choosing people, and not really knowing why we’re choosing them, other than we’re being told that it is the only choice we’re allowed to have.

            This isn’t greatness, and we’ll never be a great country again, so long as we’re not willing, to take the hard path, and make it great again.

            If we’re strong enough to take that path? Then maybe, someday, we’ll reach for greatness again, and possibly, actually touch it once more.

            – Smoov

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Belinda, if you were claiming that I’M another “blame it on bush” wannabe, you couldn’t be MORE mistaken! The point I was making is that ALL of them are following the SAME agenda and it ISN’T yours or mine! Blame it on those who pull the strings of BOTH parties! The party candidates are merely puppets for those with more money and more power! Until you realize that you will get more of the SAME!!!

        As far as your view on 911, if you choose to stick your head in the sand and accept the media view of what happened, you’re free to do so. But if you care to explore further, you will be shocked at the expert opinions and physical evidence out there that would lead to another conclusion. If you care to express your opinions as fact, you should at least do some reading and research! Accepting what your told and never looking any farther makes you sound ignorant.

  • http://theconservativecrawfish.wordpress.com reelman1946

    Paul gets 6% of the vote…Paul is way wrong on drugs and blame America foreign policy…he should be in the cabinet though…whining about reality is what we all do but this election is about flushing the arrogant apostle of utopian socialism. I wonder if Myers was around when Perot gave us Klinton?
    We the People must pressure the GOP after the win…its by no means easy to oppose the liberal pawn press 24-7 attack as rolling back the ugly socialism/recession/loss of freedoms/debt begins in Feb…

    • Rob

      reelman1946,
      I can’t agree more. As I said in a post yesterday, I like Ron Paul, but there’s no way he can win the election, especially with one of the comments he made at one of the debates about 9/11 being our own fault. Not too many Americans like hearing statements like that. He needs to bow out gracefully and throw his support behind Romney. I do believe he would make a fine cabinet member along with Cain. Rand can learn from his father and utilize his experience further down the trail.

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        wrong on durgs? Portugal cut drug use in half by decriminalizing in 10 years

        Maybe YOU are the one that is wrong on drugs

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        no way Ron Paul could get elected?

        Not with the defeatist attitude and sheer ignorance of the voters who vote as they are TOLD

    • DaveH

      Reelman says — “Paul is way wrong on drugs and blame America foreign policy”.
      Methinks, Reelman, that it is you who is wrong on both. Here’s your chance to correct that condition:
      http://library.mises.org/books/Mark%20Thornton/Economics%20of%20Prohibition.pdf

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      Romney is for the NDAA & patriot act., TARP, the federal reserve, nation building, …just like Obama

      where is the difference? I don’t see it—-SHOW ME SOME MAJOR DIFFERENCE !!!

      besides the R & D after their names

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        There is NO difference, Rhonda! Just different wrapping paper for a “gift” I DON’T WANT!!!

  • WhatIsLiberty

    Our options this November is socialism or fascism. Fantastic.

    • steve

      finally someone with the right facts

      • steve

        maybe i should have said truth

    • Airangel

      No your options are Obama the American way of life “DESTROYER” or Romney the Pro-American way of life “RESTORER”!! You Ron Paul tribe will ensure another Ross Perot upset and America will be worse off with four more years of Obama. You will see more violence, more anger, more animosity, more division because of the Obama rhetoric, executive orders, military pay slash, expanded Government entities, more impoverishment, more illegal invasion, etc. The core of Romney and Ryan are good, successful men, not perfect but who the masses will vote for that are anti-Obama. Ron Paul will get thousands of votes if he doesn’t bow out but that’s it and those could make the difference of Obama staying in power.

      • DaveH

        “Romney the Pro-American way of life “RESTORER””?
        Surely you jest, Airangel?
        Romney rammed RomneyCare down the throats of Massachusetts citizens.
        In 2004, when the Clinton-era federal assault weapons ban expired, he signed a permanent one at the state level.
        Romney supported Bush’s “No Child Left Behind” boondoggle.
        Romney said — “I don’t speak for the scientific community, of course, but I believe the world’s getting warmer. I can’t prove that, but I believe based on what I read that the world is getting warmer. And number two, I believe that humans contribute to that.”.
        Romney said — “I’m told that we use almost twice as much energy per person as does a European, and more like three times as much energy as does a Japanese citizen. We can do a lot better.”.
        Does these things sound even remotely like things a True Conservative would do or say?

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        who says that is our only option?

        just because you are too brainwashed to vote 3rd party you think you can force the rest of us not to? Stupid logic

        I predict the republican party will die off like the Whig party did

        They are too much like the democrats….we need a REAL opposition party now

        • Belinda

          Maybe the United states of America will no longer be a democracy or a republic where we are a free nation. Maybe the other party will be the communist Marxist socialist party. Is that better for you?
          Or would working to make the Republican party more to your liking. What is better and more reasonable to you?

      • Honest Al

        If it comes to an upset…Oh well! Some Americans just will not stomach the same drivel from election to election and watch the same players acting the role of conservative like
        bush 1 and seeing thousand points of life and a New world order…These so-called NEOCONS are financed by AIPAC and their zionist buds. I cast my vote once again toward liberty!

      • DaveH

        Belinda says — “Maybe the other party will be the communist Marxist socialist party. Is that better for you?”.
        Maybe that is a non-sequitur, Belinda. No maybe about it.
        Who would you rather take a car trip with, Belinda, a known murderer, or an unknown person?

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        WOW, Airangel!!! You have fallen for it, HOOK, LINE AND SINKER!!! Guess what?!? YOU’RE what’s for dinner!!!

        • Belinda

          She will not be alone. She will be in a school of nightly smart fishes.

  • merid

    if ron Paul was the choice then he would be in this. He is only causing more people to vote for 4 more years with this administration. Please be quiet and let the democratic process work. I found him very scarey…I agree with Harold…you didn’t win Ron Paul..get over it.

    • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

      Dear merid,

      You write: “He is only causing more people to vote for 4 more years with this administration.” Please explain how this is so.

      You write: ” I found him very scarey…” What about freedom and liberty frightens you, exactly?

      Best wishes,
      Bob

      • Chester

        I can’t answer for the gentleman addressed, but Ron Paul scares the pants off me, too. I want no one in the president’s office who thinks we can go back to living totally off what resources we have in country, importing nothing and exporting nothing. We tried that once and met the result just about a hundred years ago. Isolationism is NOT a good thing to practice, as the world does go on around us. Also, if we do NOT defend our rights and the rights of those who more or less agree with us outside our borders, are we going to be ready to defend them INSIDE our borders? Personally, I would rather fight a war on your ground than mine.

        • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

          Dear Chester,

          You write: “I want no one in the president’s office who thinks we can go back to living totally off what resources we have in country, importing nothing and exporting nothing.” Please cite for me one quote or policy position stated by Ron Paul in which he advocates not trading with other countries.

          You write: “Also, if we do NOT defend our rights and the rights of those who more or less agree with us outside our borders, are we going to be ready to defend them INSIDE our borders?” Please cite for me one quote or policy position stated by Ron Paul in which says he will not defend our rights or our country.

          You write: “Personally, I would rather fight a war on your ground than mine.” Please cite for me one quote or policy position stated by Ron Paul in which he indicated he would rather fight a war in America than elsewhere.

          Your have succumbed to a false message espoused by the GOP and their propaganda arm the MSM. You have fallen for the big lie.

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • DaveH

        Chester says — “I want no one in the president’s office who thinks we can go back to living totally off what resources we have in country, importing nothing and exporting nothing”.
        You couldn’t be more wrong, Chester. Ron Paul believes in trading Peaceably with other countries, not at the point of a gun. It is the establishment candidates who believe in picking and choosing the Trade winners.
        Ron Paul’s Trade stance:
        “America is the greatest nation in human history. Our respect for individual liberty, free markets, and limited constitutional government produced the strongest, most prosperous country in the world. But, we have drifted far from our founding principles”.
        From:
        http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/ron-paul-plan-to-restore-america/

      • DaveH
      • Belinda

        What are Ron Pauls views of helping Israel?

        • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

          Dear Belinda,

          You write: “What are Ron Pauls views of helping Israel?” He would treat them like all other countries friendly to America. What more help do they need?

          Best wishes,
          Bob

      • DaveH
      • DaveH

        My question to you, Belinda, is — What right do you have to contribute my money to a charity that I don’t approve?
        If you want to support Israel, fine. But keep your hands out of my pockets.

      • The GLB

        To Belinda @ 11:15 am:

        ‘Tis amazing that one could be against local welfare, but support international welfare. –The GLB

        Just because Ron Paul and I do NOT support International Welfare does NOT mean that we do NOT support Israel.

    • braindeadus

      Mitt & Ryan what a joke this election is over thanks republicans for four more years of Obama.

      • Mimi

        You come by your name legitimately.

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        Yep….chalk up another intentional loss for the RNC

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      If LIBERTY scares you then you should not vote at all….you should be AFRAID to go to the polls.

      This unbridled TIMIDITY isn’t the American spirit….you guys act like WHIPPED DOGS grovelling and showing your belly

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      merid, the democratic process DOES NOT work by forcing someone to vote for a candidate that they DO NOT want!!! You are sorely deluded if you think that it does!!! The democratic process (we are a republic btw, not a democracy) requires that everyone vote for the candidate that reflects their values AND will do the best job! If you have ANY integrity at all, you will vote for the person that you think will uphold the constitution of this country and will restore our FREEDOMS!!! If not, you deserve what you get, regardless of who you vote for! So, go ahead and practice the TRUE democratic process!

  • http://personalliberty.com Sheldon

    I have predicted before that there will be no change, I repeat NO CHANGE in our federal government. If you did not like Obama I believe there will be the same dislike for Romney and whom he has as Vice President. My reasoning is based on history, scripture from the Holy Bible, and the attitude of the american people. Such things must happen for this country to collapse and the Lord Jesus Christ to return to earth. Not only this country but the entire economy of the world. As it is right now there must be more tribulations before Jesus shuts the system down. We are only players in this world and God has a purpose but most people are neither listening nor paying attention. There is too much greed, selfishness, and ignorance of Holy Scripture. When Noah built the Ark, only eight people were saved. Do you think you will be saved? Maybe, maybe not. REPENT, AND ASK FOR GOD’S FORGIVENESS AND HE MAY SAVE YOU BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.

    • Gustav

      GET REAL

      Religion is the root to most wars on the planet and has been that for 2012 years and counting….

      • steve

        so you have no problem with ceasar and the boy’s being dictators before the birth of christ? seems to me you can go back to adam and eve and your boy satan

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        you couldn’t be more wrong…..GREED is the root of all wars

      • steve

        rhonda you should read 1john 5;19. then you will see who controls our planet. not greed

    • nc

      Sheldon, I have a reality question! How many innocent children and pregnant women did a “benevolent” God kill in the great flood?

      • steve

        if you read the bible account of noah bubba, you will see that god considered on;y noah and his family faithful and that’s why everyone else died. people were like a cancer to him so he removed the problem. his ball park , his bat and ball.

      • DaveH

        What about the innocent men, and the non-pregnant women, NC? Don’t be a bigot.

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        not innocent….they were judged corrupt

      • JeffH

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        The surprising personal journeys of 40 Democrats and Independents from across America who supported Obama in 2008.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      AMEN Sheldon….that’s the real problem…..they have seperated themselves from the Lord and call good, evil and evil, good

      and they will reap what they sow

      Ron Paul is the only TRUE CHRISTIAN candidate we had compared to Romney the Mormon and Obama the ????

      • Belinda

        So you are taking as your privilege the right to judge the degrees of a person’s Christianity or that they are even a Christian.
        Talk about arrogance…

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        the bible says you wil know a tree by it’s FRUIT

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        I will repeat what Rhonda said because its so powerful! (thanks, Rhonda)
        They have separated themselves from the LORD and call good, evil and evil, good!
        Belinda, it won’t be man who judges, it will be GOD!!!

        • Belinda

          Thank God

    • Liberty4Me

      Sheldon writes ” When Noah built the Ark, only eight people were saved.” Now there is a loving and all powerful god that I can get behind. Such benevolence is usually only reserved for Satan.

      • Belinda

        Do you propose to judge God himself?

        • SamFox

          Belinda, good article. Ron Paul is the best of all in the race, including Gary Johnson. Gary is good, but Ron Paul is great.

          That said, GJ would still be better than Mitt.

          SamFox

          • Belinda

            That is your opinion. You are entitled to it. But just so you know, many do not agree with that. Sorry.

          • SamFox

            So Belinda, you are saying that Mitt is better than Gary Johnson?

            Gary at least believes in smaller govt & the Constitution. That govt should be reduced & real cuts in real spending are the order of the day, IF we want to save the USA from financial collapse. Just like Ron Paul.

            On Paul’s budget plan runs circles around Ryan’s. Even Rand Paul’s plan beats the snot out of Ryan’s.

            My dog is better than Mitt. And Vlad rides in the back of my truck. :-)

            Since this site doesn’t take me to the place where you were talking/replying about Mitt & Gary Johnson, I am not sure where this will post.

            SamFox

        • SamFox

          @ Sheldon, not Belinda or Liberty4Me.

          I take it Shel, that you don’t know much about Elohim [God] or the Bible.

          What the Great I AM was doing is preserve the line of people from which Mary, Yeshua’s [Jesus'] mother, would come. The world had become so corrupt that Elohim had to intervene or the line of what would be Yeshua’s physical side of ancestry would not have made it. Since there were only 8 left who still followed what they knew Elohim willed for their best interest, He chose them.

          If Yeshua’s ancestors had been corrupted there could be no Messiah. Father was also working to keep the promise He made to Adam & Eve about a future redeemer.

          Not to mention since Elohim, the Great I Am, the Self Existent One, MADE the earth & people, He was withing His rights. HE is the one who owns ALL creation. Still, He lets you run your own life if you so choose. I don’t chose that any more because Father knows best.

          The Bible says it, that settles it & I believe it! :-)

          Yeshua Anointed. [Jesus Christ.]. Give yourself to Him. HE IS SO AWESOME! He really did rise from death…if not, if I was alive after the 60′s :-), I’d be dong my old religion of sex, drugs & rock ‘n roll. When I asked Jesus into my heart & life & asked Him to forgive my sin, HE DID! He made me able to know He responded to that simple prayer. He, via His Holy Spirit, made me so aware of His indwelling presence…there are no words…He put the witness of Himself in my inner most being just like He said in the New Covenant {Testament]. .

          SamFox

  • Airangel

    I have listened to Paul Ryan challenge the President and think Mitt picked him because he knows numbers and they don’t lie….they have called for an audit of the Feds…we need to beat Obama and any votes thrown to Ron Paul will ensure Obama wins – period. Ron Paul did not win the primary, not even close and he won’t win the Presidency, anyone with common sense knows this. He is irrelevant with the mass population, sorry but it’s true so thousands of votes for him will take those votes away from Romney/Ryan and push us onto four more years of disaster with Obama. I agree on military, they are exhausted, worn out and on multiple deployments but Obama hates them, sues agaisnt their rights and threatens to cut pay by 50% while he grows government with rogue agencies…Obama HAS TO GO or it won’t matter down the road, we will have tyranny and probably no more elections. America will be an impoverished, Government encampment cesspool like Mexico – don’t be stupid, Romney/Ryan need every vote to count..if Ron Paul won the primary, I’d vote for him but he did not excite people to get out for him. The unions and liberal thugs will be paying illegals, ignorant people that normally would not vote to vote. They will bus them, tell them how to vote for a meal a few hundred, etc. Team Obama will beg, borrow, sue and steal to get votes and we need four to his one since we already know it will be crooked! Ron Paul needs to bow out gracefully and start supporting the republican ticket to defeat the Obama machine! He can still be powerful and continue pushing to end Afghan and to audit the Fes. We need to be smart about this.

    • braindeadus

      I would vote for Ron Paul because Mitt & Obama are one in the same.

      • Airangel

        Well then you will be voting FOR Obama plain and simple. Ron Paul can help in a key position in Congress but he is irrelevant for President and I’m not being mean about that. He simply doesn’t enthuse the masses and this race will be 50% for Obama and hand outs (the takers) and 50% Romney/Ryan (the makers in this country)…Ron Paul followers will Rob the Pro-American ticket by thousands of votes that could be the deciding factor…it’s common sense when you look at the numbers and the lack of support Ron Paul received in the primaries. Stop being selfish and help us oust Obama!

      • DaveH

        Stop being Manipulative, Airangel. It makes you sound like a Liberal.

      • DaveH

        Airangel says — “He simply doesn’t enthuse the masses”.
        The masses don’t know who he is or what he truly stands for, because the Establishment Propaganda machine that you are rubber-stamping, Airangel, has done their best to silence his voice. Why is that? If he’s really a “kook”, a “nutcase”, or any of the other things he is called, then why doesn’t the Establishment Media let him speak so people can see that? The short answer to that is PROPAGANDA.
        And anybody who chooses the Establishment Candidate is just Underwriting more of the same.

      • SamFox

        Airangel, you are wrong. A vote for Mitt is still a vote for 0. The lesser of two evils is still evil & I am not sure Mitt is all that less an evil. Ryan is a CINO-RINO, as is Mitt. Look at all the big govt Ryan voted for. And don’t forget RomCare, which 0′s peeps used to build the Frankenstein HC monster. Also don’t forget, the R wing of the Big Government Party was working on a HC bill before 0 came along.

        Don’t count Ron Paul out just yet. Like ol’ Casey Stengel used to say, “It aint over till it’s over!”

        Good thing Ron Paul didn’t quit the race.

        SamFox

    • Gustav

      It takes time for a big ship to turn (America), and you play the cards you have been dealt.
      With that in mind, what would You have done differently than the sitting government who was dealt cards with a not so bright daddy’s boy all over them?

      When it comes to rigging elections, well don’t throw stones sitting in a glasshouse…

      • steve

        just because a country can print money doesn’t mean it’s the right decision. the government should have let the banks go out of business just like any other would have failed. but they are in bed with the world banks . GM should have gone bankrupt. now the unions own the company and the government screwed the bond holders. brilliant move obama. i could go on but why bother. what’s done is done. and even though i did not mention bush that doesn’t take him of the hook either. the political system is the problem .get rid of it , then you can start to turn things around and it will take a long time.

      • SamFox

        Gustav, problem: 0 is steering the boat the same direction GWB was. Only thing 0 has done diff is increase the boat’s speed. We are nearing the ice burg of financial collapse at a greater speed than when Bush was captain.

        Ron Paul is the only one who would turn the boat 180′.

        Romney might do a couple of ‘swerve maneuvers’ to deceive, but I doubt, based on Mitt’s record & blatant two faced duplicity, that he would actually turn the boat 180′.

        SamFox

    • DaveH

      Airangel says — “Ron Paul did not win the primary, not even close and he won’t win the Presidency”.
      The primary isn’t over, Airangel, or haven’t you heard?
      And your claim that he can’t win the Presidency is based on what?
      Romney couldn’t even secure the primary in 2008. McCain won that one. And Obama beat McCain even though Obama was relatively unheard of at the time. Now he’s had 4 years of Face Time and Promises of Wealth Redistribution behind him to attract all the trough-feeders and voters who operate at the lizard-brain level.
      Obama’s team will make short work of the hypocrites Romney and Ryan.
      Can you say Establishment Republicans?
      Can you say Four More Years of Big Government Growth?

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        FOR PROOF ALL THESE ELECTIONS ARE RIGGED EXAMIINE 2008 PRIMARY

        McCain was sucking hind teat until at the very last minute he soared to win the primary?

        Obviously rigged. Just like Romney’s inability to draw a crowd larger than 100 when Ron Paul was drawing thousands during the primaries. obvious to me….how come you can’t see that?

      • DaveH

        Are you talking to me?
        If so, I have no idea what you base that on.
        How the GOP stole the nomination from Ron Paul:
        http://www.opednews.com/populum/printer_friendly.php?content=a&id=154033

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        No doubt in my mind, they rigged the last election and they’re gonna rig this one too!!!

    • Karen

      I agree. We have seen this is previous elections. Any votes for Libertarians or Green Party, are simply votes taken away from the Republicans and thus, give the election to the Demonrats.

      • DaveH

        Any votes given to Non-Freedom-Loving candidates are votes that could have helped to elect Freedom-Loving politicians, Karen. Thanks for helping the Progressives further weaken our Freedom and Prosperity, Karen.

        • Karen

          Were you not paying attention to the primaries???? Romney was not my choice! However, if we want Obama out of office, you have to realize, that voting for Romney/Ryan is the ONLY way to make that happen!

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      Ron Paul got cheated in the primaries..,..everybody knows the dirty things the RNC did breaking every rule, disqualifying Paul delegates illegally

      THAT is why we would never vote for Romney

      • DaveH
      • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

        For that matter, that is why I will never vote for any Republican from here on out. I was always an Independent, but after the way this cycle turned out, the Republicans have demonstrated they are not worthy of our trust anymore, and haven’t been in a long, long time.

        For the first time in my life I have affiliated myself with a party now, and I’m 44 yrs old.

        I am now a Libertarian, and an thoroughly at peace with that decision, and never again will I be voting for a party, or an individual, that I can’t trust, and who I know isn’t serious about standing against the illegal out-of-control governmental expansion.

        The government, in this country, does not have the right to dictate to us how we will live our lives, and neither does my neighbors.

        It is long overdue that we got back to that.

        We’re committing national suicide if we continue to play the Progressive’s shell-game they are playing with the Democrat and Republican wings of their movement.

        If any of you have any lick of sense whatsoever, just stop swallowing the propaganda, stop ignoring the corruption on both sides as “well, it is just politics”, and stop swooning over a candidate who won’t tell you what he really thinks and what he really means.

        Oh, and especially you Republicans… read, re-read, and read again, and understand, what the Republican’s mission statement is supposed to be about. Read about what the Republicans stood for, and what the Whigs were about, at the time when the Republicans replaced them as the Democrat’s dancing partner.

        Think hard about what they were, what those principles the Republicans claim to champion, are, and then think hard, about, if those principles are what they believe, then why do they vote the way that they do, and why, after protesting the Democrat’s legislative activity when they’re in the minority, when they finally have the majority and can do something about it, all of a sudden, they have no interest in fixing it?

        They make for good show, to keep the Dems and Reps fighting with each other, over nonsense the fed gov’t isn’t even supposed to be involved in to begin with. Sleight of hand… distraction… keep looking over here, don’t mind the guy behind the curtain, nothing to see there, the birth control mandate is what’s really important, just keep looking at that.

        Nonono, nothing important you need to see, that’s why there is all-day coverage of the baseball doping hearings, that’s what you need to pay attention to… and don’t even get me started of the month-after-month total governmental coverage black-out during the OJ trial…

        Awfully convenient when these events come up, just as we have major legislation about to hit the floor that they don’t want the public to pay attention to, isn’t it?

        This isn’t how honest government, and honorable representation, works… this isn’t our government anymore, and this isn’t our country anymore… the Dems and the Reps, have no interest in returning it to us, We The People…

        The Libertarians, are interested… they deserve our support… not because they’ll win this time, because few will, but they need a good showing. A good showing, will show more fence-sitters, that we’re serious, and more will get off the fence for next time… and more still, next time…

        Unless… we keep listening to the Dems and the Reps, telling us, what the questions should be, and that we need to have a conversation.

        We’ll, tell them, what the questions are, and we’re having the conversation. They aren’t, because then, they’ll have to answer them. They can’t have that. Direct answers from them, to our direct questions, will wipe them out.

        How are we supposed to elect someone, to the most, arguably, powerful job in the country, if they are too cowardly to answer direct questions, and tell us, what they really think? Why the acting job? A man who knows what he thinks, has no problem telling you what he thinks. He doesn’t need a teleprompter, he doesn’t need to rehearse, he doesn’t need to memorize a whole set of focus-group-tested sound bites that he can pick out of the air and throw at you to deflect your direct question, without answering, while making you feel “gosh, he’s smart! I should vote for him!”, completely oblivious to the reality, that he ignored you, and slips that line of BS past your lips without you even noticing the awful taste.

        We need better than our choices, we deserve better than our choices.

        The political fight of the new century isn’t Democrat vs Republican… they’re both on the same side…

        The political fight now, is Progressive vs Libertarian… the Dems and Reps are with the Progs… I know where I’m voting… do you really know yourselves?

        Are you ok with voting for another Progressive, keeping the Progressives in office another term, just because they’re wearing a different jersey?

        Really?

        At what point, will any of you, put your foot down, and say “enough”… no more… we’ve let you two drag us to this point kicking and screaming, and we’re done, and we’re not taking another step towards where you two want to take us. This is not our country, and this is not our government, and we want them back.

        Oh… and most importantly… THEY AREN’T YOUR DAMNED VOTES!

        They belong to us. You’re not entitled to them, we don’t owe them to you, and you have no right to tell us if we wasted them or not.

        We vote for who we honestly think is the best man for the job, we don’t vote for anybody just because we don’t like the current job-holder. That’s just stupid.

        Any vote we cast, just because the person isn’t someone else, if we don’t honestly believe that the man isn’t the best one for the job? That’s when we’ve wasted our vote.

        Don’t be one of those “Well, I really wanted X, but I voted for Y instead, because I didn’t wanna waste my vote.” idiots. Think for yourself, vote for yourself. It is the only vote you got, make it mean something.

        – Smoov

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      It doesn’t matter if you vote for the democraps OR the republicraps. You will GET the SAME thing you’ve been getting for DECADES!!! You WANT MORE of THAT?!? If you have ANY integrity, you will vote for the person who will restore our RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS!!! NOT the CRAP they TELL you to vote for!!!

      • Belinda

        So you are saying if we don’t vote for Ron Paul we are crap?

        • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

          I’ll say it…

          Tho it isn’t about Ron Paul at all, it is about the Progressives…

          If you’re for Progressivism, then you’ll vote for either the Dem or Rep candidates, and if you’re not for Progressivism, your only other alternative is to vote Libertarian or for one of the other non-Progressive-owned parties.

          Our election this fall, we have both the Democrats, and the Republicans, putting forth Progressive candidates.

          It doesn’t matter which one you vote for, so long as you stay inside that little Dem-vs-Rep box they like to keep you in, you’re not really voting against the real power base in DC, and that is the Progressives.

          If you vote for Obama, then you support the Progressives…
          If you vote for Romney, then you support the Progressives…

          That’s what it is about… it isn’t about Ron Paul at all… it is about voting against the Progressives. Period.

          That is the real fight.

          – Smoov

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Belinda, I am saying that IF you vote for the democraps OR the republicraps, YOU WILL GET CRAP!!! Don’t twist my words! They speak for themselves!!!

        Gosh, you remind me of the liberal shills on this website who twist words and avoid the topic at hand. Are you paid by the republicans to stir things up and move Libertarians toward romney?!?

        • Belinda

          And you are l00 percent sure that the libertarian in the white house will be any better. What you don’t seem to take into consideration is that president will have the republican lead congress, perhaps the democratic lead senate to contend with. This libertarian president will not be a dictator like Obama wants to be and will have partisan groups to contend with.The only way to get l00 percent libertarian views is to take control of all the houses.

          • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

            I can’t speak for the other poster, but I’m 100% sure it would be better, yeah.

            Then, both the Dems and Reps, would have to work together to push things through with enough votes to override the Libertarian president’s veto, and the rest of you will finally get a real good look at what the Dems and Reps REALLY care about.

            – Smoov

          • Belinda

            And you think that is all it would take to get the democrats and republicans to work together. Must be nice to dream so.

          • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

            yet again, you miss the point…

          • Belinda

            You say if there is a Libertarian president, republican congress and democratic senate they will have to work together.That is one possibility; however; the other is bigger turmoil than we have now.That is in the realm of possibilities.

        • Belinda

          You compliment me. to think I would be paid to give my opinion. I am a sixty-one year old grandmother. I wish I were paid.
          Funny thing is you definitely remind me of the heavily starched unyielding far left liberals, That is the unending eery faint feeling I get when I hear all the I hate the American process and all the parties and all the leaders Americans have chosen to represent us in these United States. I definitely do not like some of them and what some of them do, but I do know there are those who serve us well. I also know that I would defend the right of all to be a part of the process, including the libertarians.
          Until we all get out of this hate process and try to work together for the good of our nation, none of us will succeed. If the libertarians want to take over the United States, they will not be starting at the top. They will start at the bottom and work their way up, start by becoming the senators, the congressman, at local levels also. That is when your dream to take over the America as we know it lies. Be always aware that in the next election, you leader can be voted out also.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Belinda, your attack convinces me further that you ARE a shill!!! No one on the face of the earth could EVER say that they heard me say ANYTHING that could be construed as liberal, let alone left wing!!! Your tactics to discredit me are ridiculous! It would seem that your only purpose here, is to try and convince people to vote for romney. Nothing you say presents ANY reason to vote for him. You offer nothing to sway anyone’s opinion or to convince us that he’s the “right” man for the job. All you do is make accusations that it will be OUR fault if obumass wins! The fault lies with those who chose romney, a man who is clearly not ideologically, someone that everyone can get behind! Unless “they”, the republicrap party gives us a candidate that we can get behind, they will lose and they KNOW it!!! I believe that they chose a candidate that they KNEW would lose! The agenda MUST go forward!!!

  • Corkey

    The difference between Romney and Obama. Obama will continue the assault on liberty and continue to spend the country into bankruptcy. Romney will continue the assault on liberty, cut entitlements, redirect the money saved into more unnecessary military spending and continue to spend the country into bankruptcy. Gee, what a choice!!

    • http://norman@cates-family.com Norman F.

      Unfortunately, Corkey, that is the choice. Pushing people to vote for Ron Paul or the other Libertarian will leave us with Obama. Obama is only part way to his goal of “Fundamentally transforming” the United States. If I had had a vote in the final decision, I might have voted for Ron, but I didn’t have input in that decision. Now the die is cast and we have the choice we have. All we are left with is an argument about what might, or should, have been, which is an exercise in futility. We should quit fighting about what was, and start working on a joint effort to protect our country from whatever comes as a result of past events, which we cannot change by blaming each other. Join a TEA party or some other far seeing group and start working for the future of this wonderful country.

      • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

        Nope Norman it’s already been decided….electronic voting machines assure our votes mean nothing

        no way to check them is there?

        and the IT guy who testified about the Bush election rigging was mysteriously killed in an airplane crash along with his little kid and his briefcase was missing….,what a coincidence

        OUR VOTES MEAN NOTHING UNLESS WE ALL BUCK THE SYSTEM AND OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORT A CANDIDATE….and that will never happen because the public is too brainwashed

    • Mimi

      Corey, though you believe what you are saying, you are as they say these days, soooo wrong in your facts. You are simply rehashing the lame stream media crap. If you have genuinely listened to what Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney have stated as their vision, platform etc., it is vastly different from what you are saying, and what Obama has said and done. It’s ideologically different, and you are so hopelessly entrenched. The contrast between the extreme left wing that’s running the party now, and the conservatives is obvious, if your ears work. But if you are deliberately and hopelessly deaf, that’s your choice.

    • Belinda

      He will protect medicare for all us and keep our country from going bankrupt. He will bring jobs into the United states and not pay using American tax dollars to import them to other countries. He will not give to our enemies.He will stop Obama-care. Obama said that money to be derived for Obamacare would come from fraud.
      http://www.policymed.com/2012/04/medicare-fraud-the-case-of-hhs-spending-77-million-to-find-7591-in-fraud.html

  • Theresa

    Ron Paul is in his 70′s had to many quirks. A good man with some good Ideas.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      I love his QUIRK OF FOLLOWING THE CONSTITUTION

  • Louis Lemieux

    A real libertarian like Ron Paul would bring chaos into our society. Way too many would be using their freedom to step on their neighbor’s freedom.

    • braindeadus

      you are full of sh———it

      • Airangel

        You Ron Paul supporters are a bit mean! You’re starting to sound like the liberal left with the name calling. Bottom line you just have to look at the turn out for Ron Paul during the primaries. The support was bland. He won’t get the votes and the % he does get will take away any chance of beating Obama since we already know between Holder, Axlerod, the government Unions and Obama that they will pay, bus, steal, sue states and literally garner votes any way they can legally and illegally!

      • Chester

        With Ron Paul in office, who is going to stop you from taking what your neighbor has if you have more guns and a bigger fist? Under true libertarianism, my right to swing my fist extends to the point just before it touches the tip of your nose, but who is going to enforce that right if you are knocked down and out? Supposedly, the rest of society will, but the only way they can is by violating MY rights. Take a real good long look at what libertarianism is before you go saying anyone believing that it is the only way to go is the man to follow.

      • DaveH

        Chester says — “With Ron Paul in office, who is going to stop you from taking what your neighbor has if you have more guns and a bigger fist?”.
        Actually with a Libertarian Society, you are not allowed to trespass on your neighbor’s body or property, Chester. Whether we enforce that with Government or Private means is beside the point. But you could learn what a Libertarian believes by simply reading this book, so that next time you speak about Libertarians you can speak from a knowledgeable point of view:
        http://library.mises.org/books/Murray%20N%20Rothbard/For%20a%20New%20Liberty%20The%20Libertarian%20Manifesto.pdf

  • Ell

    Our only hope to save the American Dream – Romney / Ryan in 2012 !

    • Gustav

      Dream on…

    • braindeadus

      you are clueless

    • http://corkey.wordpress.com/ corkey

      Ha, yeah Easter Bunny/Santa Claus 2012.

      • Airangel

        Careful you’re starting to sound like the rabbid liberal left

  • Chris

    Right…………there “IS” no choice! Right…………he picked the wrong Paul.

  • http://corkey.wordpress.com/ corkey

    Romney doesn’t even have the nomination yet…….and doesn’t deserve it either as he will do NOTHING!! Same as Obama. Wake up.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/laura-trice/gop-scared-ron-paul_b_1814846.html

  • Waldomountainman

    Waldomountainman says:
    August 22, 2012 at 8:09 am
    WOW I think someone got up on the radical side of the bed this morning, I believe some have gotten lost in their hate for Obuma and their disappointment their Paul did not get nominated. The situation is one we have to deal with and put our best foot foward, Romney/Paul can do this with our support and careful watch but if we keep bitching and groaning and threatning to write in then we will go down in flames and let Obuma be re-elected. It is time to pull together and let what cannot be go and do what is best considering the situation, this is not the less of two evils.
    Have all the moaners stopped long enough to think of how much more damage Obuma can do with four more years?
    Has anyone considered the ages of the supreme court members? Most are in their eighties and probably won’t last another four years not to mention all the hundreds of other for life appointments he can make. There is a lot riding on this election, probably more than at any other time in the history of this country and if we do not all pull together to make the best of what we have then I fear total destruction of this country as we know it.

    “Life is understood looking backwards but it must be lived fowards”- Soren Kierkegaard

    • http://corkey.wordpress.com/ corkey

      And the guy with the deciding vote for Obama Care on the Supreme Court was put in there by whom? How did that work out?

      • Ron

        just another Judas. it happens.

    • BERNADINE

      Like the bible says the only power the devil has is to rule the fool who believe him.
      GOING BACK TO GODS LAWS is the best way forward. god bless you all

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      WE ARE EXCERCISING OUR RIGHT TO VOTE

      you must be a communists if you don’t think we have that right

      • Ted Crawford

        You are correct Rhonda, however, simply because one has the right to do a thing does not guarantee that to exercise that right is the wisest choice!

        • Belinda

          you crack me up.

  • Ron

    here we have one idiot trying to promote another. get your head out of your backside John.

  • Amalia

    Mitt picked the better man!

    • Chris

      Right……..for “himself”…………he picked an anti-union idiot.

    • Gustav

      I think it is a shame that this great Nation can only produce crooks for government.
      Is there really not any REAL people who can make this work for everybody with most of the peoples’ support? Not only special interests. Let’s call a spade a spade. If you buy a company, split it up, sack the employees…then you make a lot of money. BUT is that something to be admired for?? In other countries that has a name “Corporate raiders” and they go to jail. Here they are supported by like minded and given a chance to run the biggest company in the world; The USA. Do you really think they are in it to do good?? Or do you consider yourself to be in the same league. If so I can understand all this bickering because you want to be around where the money is flowing. If you on the other hand is an average Joe or whatever…then other things have to happen than letting the same take place all over again

  • braindeadus

    To all who will vote for Mitt are Obama thanks for the destruction of the America.

    • http://corkey.wordpress.com/ corkey

      They are still in denial…..cannot compute that they are being lied to by both parties. The Liberal Left comment accusation above is fairly typical of a brain dead response. Pathetic.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      these loyal republicans would vote in Satan if the party endorsed him

      they don’t even have a clue that what they are doing is not only against THEIR OWN SELF INTEREST but the rest of ours as well

      I for one resent their ignorance
      There is no excuse for it
      Einstein said doing the same thing over and over again is the definition of insanity

  • Mountain Saint

    Obama is not a John Kennedy. President Kennedy was actually a Conservative (tax cuts) while Obama is a Communist (per Mike Savage)….Paul Ryan’s budget plan would not solve our economic problems. His plan would add almost as much money to our national debt as President Obama’s socialistic plan…The best plan is Joseph Farah’s proposal. Freeze the national debt at $16 trillion and cut out two trillion dollars of spending (waste)immediately.

    • Anthony

      NO the best plain would be to use John F. Kennedy’s Executive Order No. 11110 and take the $$$ out of the hands of the money creators! We are coming up on 100 years of fraud by the Federal Reserve……and a 100 years of wars!

  • Joe N

    Mr Myers : Please be practical. Dr Ron Paul, your idol, is 77 this year, and the role of a vice-president is not simply a figurehead, you know it too well for me to say any further.

    Now it’s NOT the time to be divisive. Let’s throw all our support to
    the Romney-Ryan ticket, even though it’s the “second-best choice” as you may think.

    Sincerely,

    Joe,an admirer of Dr Paul as a stateman, not a VP candidate at this 23rd hour.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      Paul’s age is not really a factor….he’s 100 times smarter than Romney and probably healthier too

  • http://www.facebook.com/michael.papich.9 Michael Papich

    Anyone who is for big government is NO Conservative. From their origin in the 1850s the Republicans have been a big government party. The Democrats want an even bigger government than the GOP.

  • Leah

    We need to vote for Romney. Consider how we stood with our enemy communist Russia to put a stop to Hitler nazi Germany.This is a strategy we must try. Once we get on top of this then the Independants can have more say, but just not right now. The strategy must be voting in Romney first even if we can’t stand him. Its the best shot we have, even if this sounds strange. It was also strange to side up with one of our Country’s enemies before, but it worked. That is our only real strategy now.
    Vote Romney!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      Americans did not want to enter the war….Pearl Harbor was allowed to happen….they intercepted communications of the plan 12 days before it happened but didn’t tell the commanders in Hawaii. The best ships were sent away right before it happened.
      We kept shipping arms so Hitler finally declared war on us.

      America was making a killing supplying Europe with arms pre WWII

      wise up – AS SMEDLEY BUTLER SAID…..WAR IS A RACKET

  • Nancy R

    I do not agree that Ron Paul would be a better pick! Your idol is a radical and would not benefit the Republican ticket. We need fiscal responsibility, not fiscal idiocy.

    • http://corkey.wordpress.com/ corkey

      Radical…..like the Founding Fathers. LOL

    • DaveH

      Please enlighten us, Nancy. What is “radical” about Ron Paul? Do you mean because he is Pro-Freedom?

      • Belinda

        I agree with you. Surely they would have got the libertarian vote, but there are many out there who think he is a nut especially about foreign policy. He has some good views, especially about the constitution. Obama has run rough shod over the constitution…and if the libertarians are on the side for the constitution,as they claim to be, they should want to get Obama out of there. Like in the worse way.
        Ryan has the background for economy and right now that is exactly what the United States needs.Besides that he is a good man.

      • DaveH
    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      NOW THAT IS THEMOST IGNORANT THING SAID HERE TODAY !!!

      Ron Paul is the fiscal hawk….they call him DR. NO because he votes against spending every single time….you can’t say that about Ryan…he is a BIG SPENDER

      Romney almost bankrupted Massachusetts with his idiotic
      Romneycare.

      both Romney and Ryan are huge spenders and their records prove it

  • Chris

    I was leaning toward Romney too………..UNTIL he picked Ryan.

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      lean too far & you will fall on your face

      Romney is = Ryan & Obama in the fiscal realm

      all of them are prolific spenders

      In fact Romney’s proposed MILITARY BUDGET for the next 10 years is 2 TRILLION more than Obama’s

      • Belinda

        You know thousands of our military are to get pink slips after Obama is elected. Our military will be smaller than it was in l935. If something happens we will be defenseless.

        • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

          Our military is too spread out as it is. We’re basically defenseless right now.

          We should bring the bulk of our military back home where they belong.

          Oh, and sorry, but our military is supposed to grow and shrink as needed. We’ve been involving ourselves in actions for far too long, that weren’t even authorized by congress.

          Pink slips are never a welcome thing, but we don’t have the means to keep up such a large military. We are facing the same problem that overcame the USSR when it came to their own domestic spending and their military spending.

          Our troops are tired, and have done more than we had any right to ask of them in the past decade.

          – Smoov

          • Belinda

            I remember when they cut down on the military when Clinton was elected. My son was in the air force at the time.He was married and they moved to a base where they had torn down the homes on the base for the families and when he was elected, they did not rebuild them. They had an awful time trying to get decent housing. They started making a few doing the same work as the many. Finally there were allowed to get out of the service if they wanted to. What happened is that the best and the brightest left and the mediocre was left to defend our nation.
            You say that as needed there will be more. As much turmoil going on in the world, can we get stretched out and if something big comes about, will we have enough troops. Remember Obama is planning on opening up a new Base. Spreading.

          • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

            We’re not the policemen of the world, and much of that turnmoil, is not our fight.

            Now, if the congress votes to approve a military action in some of that turnmoil? Then so be it. That is what we elect them to do.

            But, that rarely happens. We involve ourselves in other countries’ military actions, without authorization, calling them anything we can except what they are, “war”, just to try and skirt the issue.

            Our military is not to be used at the whim of the President.

            – Smoov

          • Belinda

            Maybe not a policeman of the world. But as Reagen said, we come before you with strength and you will listen. Come before you in weakness and you will not listen.
            Maybe we will one day have those who come to us with their strength and we are weak and then we fail.

          • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

            That day may be coming a lot sooner than you think.

            You’ve already heard about the incursions from Russia with some of their jets into our territory, and that sub that was around the gulf for several weeks that we apparently, didn’t even notice?

            This is what happens when we’re not putting our own security first. We’re not even looking at home, trying to fix everyone else’s problems. They need to fix their own problems, and we need to fucus on ours.

            We need to make a drastic change, and fast, and by drastic, I don’t mean flipping the switch from D back to R like we always do.

            We need to flip that other switch, from P to L.

            – Smoov

          • Belinda

            I do agree with you that we need to be watching out for our own doorsteps before we sweep around somebody else s.
            I am concerned about the illegal immigrants that Obama is arbitrarily allowing in our country without really checking up on them. Who is to say that thousands of terrorists have entered our gates and we don’t even know about it.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Belinda, we already ARE defenseless!!! A russian submarine patrolled our waters off the gulf UNDETECTED for over a month! And russian jets have been coming into our airspace over california!

        What we have is an OFFENSIVE military, NOT a DEFENSIVE one!!!

        • Belinda

          and in light of that we cut defenses. Defenses that we have had Obama is doing away in hopes that other countries will do in like manner. When Iran decides to start an all out war on the world, where will be be?

          • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

            We’re not defenseless based on the money we’re throwing at the military…

            We’re defenseless based on how thinly we’ve spread ourselves, and how many of other people’s pies we keep sticking our fingers into.

            We keep making foreign issues, foreign policies, foreign wars, our priority, and refusing to accept one simple truth.

            DOMESTIC ISSUES, DOMESTIC DEFENSE, COMES FIRST!!!

            We’re useless if we aren’t healthy at home, and we’ve been looking away for far too long, and we’ve suffered because of it.

            It is about time we made ourselves the priority again. This is, after all, what our taxes are supposed to be paying for.

            – Smoov

          • Belinda

            yes and the fewer military we have in numbers the further we will have to spread them. What about the natural disasters where our soldiers are needed. What about more than one….what about peace keeping forces? What about those who died and brought democracy to other countries? Is that all in vain?

          • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

            Our national disasters are handled by each state’s National Guard, when the Federal government hasn’t activated them to send them overseas because we don’t have enough regular military to spread around to everywhere we’re trying to stick our noses into.

            That’s the whole point. We don’t keep people enlisted in the military just so they can have a paycheck, that is more along with what the Democrat’s ideology is.

            We’re too spread out, we’re too think, and so many of them need to come home and stay home and get back to being our defense, instead of our enforcers.

            I don’t want to spend more on the military. We already spend more on military than any other country on the planet, and more so than the next handful of large spenders, combined, and those, are our allies!

            It is out of control. We can’t afford it. Come on, I know when you look at the situation objectively you can see it for yourself, you’re not stupid, so what is it? Are you just a war-mongerer or something? Perhaps you’d feel better if the civilian government itself was suspended and our country switched over to being even more militaristic than we are now?

            Surely you’ve been around long enough to realize, that we’re killing ourselves as a country, and if we don’t turn back now, we’re going to go the way of the USSR… the parallels are already there, and blatantly obvious to anyone who is capable of objectivity.

            Get your head in the game!

            – Smoov

          • Belinda

            In the time of war, we will not be able to train and equip our soldiers to defend us. in time if we have depleted our resources, closed bases in our own lands. Although Obama has sent many to fight, he has not equipped them well to defend us. Thus so many are hurt in war.
            To my mind the knight was equipped with all the Armour of his day to defend himself. Cuts in defense have taken away the technological advances to protect our soldiers as much as we can. This is more than providing a paycheck for a soldier.
            There are some places that we should get away from with our military. We need to determine which. We need to always protect our allies if they need it. Where they hate is and or killing us when we help them, we need to leave. No President should be allowed to send troops like Obama did without any ones approval.

  • Tom

    Dear Libertarians…please take note that your slogan should be “Rememkber Ross Perot”. For those of you youngsters who may not know, this is the chap that took 7 Million votes away from the Republican Ticket, resulting in 8 years of the Clintons!!!! We all know between Soros, the unions, the illegals voting, the news media promoting the Dems, plus the usual Dem ‘phanthom’ votes (dead people, pets, etc.) if we are going to stop this Prez who has dismantled this country step-by-step….we need to DEFEAT him! For the time being FORGET RON PAUL. If Romney wins Ron will be a important cog in the wheel to turn the Nation around. However, every single vote for Ron Paul assures a victory for Obama…it is that simple! Please think of your Country FIRST, Ron Paul second, defeating this adminstration third….and vote for Romney and Ryan…..we as a Nation are FINISHED if these socialist/marxist thugs continue in office. Thank you for reading this. Tom

    • DaveH

      How do you think we arrived at this point, Tom? It was because apathetic Americans didn’t do their homework and therefore fell prey to the Progressive Movement over 100 years ago. They fell prey to the nonsense about such things as the “lesser of two evils”, which is still just evil. They fell prey to the nonsense that we fought overseas to “preserve Freedom”, when instead they were preserving the grand lives of Crony Capitalists and their Politicians. They fell prey to the nonsense that taking money from the Producers to cushion the “needy” was anything more noble than buying votes.
      It’s time for all good Americans to wake up and cast off those who enslave us. And that isn’t going to happen as long as foolish people keep rubber-stamping the candidates that the Progressive Establishment puts before us.

    • Belinda

      AMEN….AMEN… AND AGAIN…I SAY..AMEN

    • http://www.facebook.com/rhonda.reichel Rhonda Reichel

      GHW Bush….read my lips NO NEW TAXES…remember that?

      Ross Perot caused the republicans to reign in their spending for several years.

      I wish he would have WON

      & Clinton was better than GHW Bush anyway so no harm, no foul

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      At least I didn’t vote for bush OR clinton! What did THEY give you?!? And wouldn’t you think the republicrap party would have learned a lesson?!? YUP! They did! That’s why we got mccain last time and romney this time! MORE people need to WAKE UP and shake them right out of their boots! Tell em we aren’t gonna fall for it anymore!!! We want a decent choice!!!

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        I SHOULD have said: at least I didn’t vote for the LIAR or the CHEAT!!!

  • John OConnor

    The real reason Paul didn’t get elected was that the supposed conservative leaders condemned him from the start. Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, etc. are actually pied pipers for the liberals. They put enough conservatism in their blather to make borderline conservatives quit thinking and just follow. Sure Romney is better than Obama but going over the cliff at 10 mph is the same result as at 50 mph.

    • Airangel

      A vote for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson is a wasted vote and by default favors team Obama. The numbers aren’t there and will take away from a tight race where we need EVERY vote to count. Ron Paul does not resonate with the masses, is invisible, was ineffective in Congress but could be highly effective under new leadership. People need to be put in positions where their strengths lie to be effective. Ron Paul is not President material. He does not inspire nor enthuse nor resonate or he would have got more people to vote form him in the primaries. Time to move on. I personally was surprised Romney picked Ryan. I have always liked Paul Ryan and his ability to put solutions on the table across the aisle and make unpopular decisions because it’s right and not politically correct. Kudos to Mitt for picking him!

      • DaveH

        A vote for Romney/Ryan is a wasted vote which results in underwriting the continuation of the Progressive Politics that have ruined this country.
        When you want to travel to a location north of you, Airangel, do you expect to get there by traveling West?
        Romney/Ryan can’t win anyway. The Obama team will successfully slaughter the hypocrites who are really nothing more than Obama Lite.

      • DaveH

        This is what the anti-Ron Paul zombies have brought us to:
        http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/poll-obama-keeps-national-lead.php
        And we’ve only just begun. After Romney and Ryan are exposed for the phonies that they are, the Obama Team will crush them.
        Not so for Ron Paul because he is squeaky clean. The only real chance we have for Freedom and Prosperity, and for unseating the usurper is Ron Paul.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        NO vote is WASTED!!! At the very LEAST, it shows THEM that you will NOT go along! Send them a message!!!

        • Karen

          I agree–that in ideal circumstances, standing on principle is paramount.

          However, we find ourselves on a precipice, where the survival of our nation is at stake.

          What good is “sending the message” if we have already lost our country? We need every vote against Obama, because if he wins again, he will complete the destruction of America.

          Stand on your principles in another 4 years, if the primaries prove that a LIbertarian will stand a chance at winning the Presidency. If you don’t hold your nose and vote for Romney/Ryan now, you will probably not have that chance later.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Karen, if you DO vote for romney, you will get more of the same thing! Both the democraps AND the republicraps have been doing it to us for YEARS!!! You want MORE??? TRY to take yourself OUT of the hypnotic trance they’ve put you in and SEE what is REALLY going on!!! The R or D after their names have made NO difference! They’ve ALL gotten us to where we are now!!!

        • Karen

          I suppose you would prefer a 3rd world country ruled by shariah law?

          • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

            [sarcasm]Oh, yes… because those are the only options the Progressives allow us to choose from… Democrats, Republicans, or Sharia… riight…[/sarcasm]

          • Belinda

            If I got Romney for President, I would not have Obama. Romney may do some things I do not like, but I absolutely abhor things Obama has done. He did one thing I like and that is have Osama Bin Laden killed. I gave him a chance even though I didn’t like him and he proved himself to be deficient and bad for our country. Romney might be bad for our country, but he probably will be good for our country. Why would I want to keep an awful president in there when I could have a chance for a good president,. I know what kind of president Obama is. Why keep a lemon? I will try another.

          • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

            . .. … and the madness continues … .. .

        • Belinda

          I will take the chance with Romney. I know what Obama has done and will do. I don’t want that anymore…please.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        I’m clapping my hands now! You can WAKE UP!!!

      • DaveH

        Karen says — “I suppose you would prefer a 3rd world country ruled by shariah law?”.
        That’s what you’ve headed us for, Karen. Without the scaffolding of anti-Freedom put in place by Progressives, there wouldn’t be a cold chance in Hell of a Freedom-stifling policy like Shariah Law being implemented. But thanks to the people like you, Karen, we now have a population that has been severely brainwashed by Progressives to believe that Big Government is the Solution, when in fact Big Government is the Problem. So controlling people like the Islamic Fascists will have a much easier task to subjugate us.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Karen, obumass isn’t personally telling anyone to allow sharia law! It’s a disease that has infected our entire government at every level! Do you THINK that romney will tell them to stop it?!?

      • redjacobson

        Well I vote and I never waste my vote ….I am voting for Ron Paul (write-in) or Gary Johnson by casting my ballot. The party of Democrat/Republican is not worth the support of the electorate as I view the absolute mess the republic is in. Thus, I am voting for liberty and the constitution. How could I do otherwise and still consider myself an American?

        • Belinda

          Not my words..you can vote for Romney to vote for liberty that you love knowing that Ron Paul is being listened to by the Republican party.
          “:Tea Party Patriots welcomes the selection of Paul Ryan as the Vice-Presidential running mate for Governor Mitt Romney. With this selection, Governor Romney and the Republican Party make it clear that they have accepted the Tea Party Patriots values of fiscal responsibility, limited government and free markets as the best course of action for economic recovery and restoring personal freedom and individual responsibility to our national values.”
          Is this not what you want for this country?

          “Dr. Paul’s ability to look back at history and see how things happened and how there were reactions to actions taken is wisdom. Many are listening to that wisdom and that is why we now have the Republican party actually entertaining the idea of a gold standard and auditing the Federal Reserve. For that America should be thankful.”
          So you can vote for Romney without shame knowing that your mentor has been listened to and has power to change the Republican party for good.

          We would hope that history will look to Paul as a point of change to the good for our nation and not a source of change for the bad as Ross Peroe who manipulated through his candidacy to void the votes of the people.

  • uvuvuv

    there are many physical demands for a president, making age an important factor. for example, george clooney is putting on another fund raiser for obama, in geneva switz. would ron paul have enough stamina for trips like that either here or abroad? through his ads obama keeps inviting voters to join him and michelle for dinner. you have to be in top form for that, you can’t beg off because you’re too tired. and your golf handicap. many old people do fine at golf, but you have the grind of the marine helicopter ride to get to the course, which i think is at camp david. ron paul might be a great guy and all that, but being a president is tough, really tough. you have to be available at odd hours to sneak through and sign executive orders or legislation congress squeaked through, like our health care plan. and how many times has obama appeared at ground breakings for all those shovel ready projects? how many ribbon cuttings for new highways or dams built with all that stimulus money? aha, see? just right there ron paul would be overworked.

    • DaveH

      He can out-think, and out-speak any of his younger opponents. Imagine that. And a Freedom-Loving President doesn’t need to travel around the World hobnobbing with other the Statist Leaders of other countries. That’s what ambassadors are for (as if we even need them).
      A Freedom-Loving President would butt out of other countries’ business and trade.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      If you think those things are important, I disagree!

  • Leah

    John OConnor, I know, but it buys us more time. There are many people that do not want Romney, but they are going to vote for Romney anyway and we must vote this way. Just for now.

    • DAK

      Anyone who votes for Romney just because he isn’t Obama, isn’t right bright. We complain because a person “changes” once they get to DC. Because they promise one thing and deliver another, because they will say anything (no matter how outlandish) just to secure a vote… then they enact policy to favor special interest groups or themselves or some lobbiest. Never the average citizen, you know those that actually voted for them.

      Mitt hides his money off-shore to avoid taxes you and I must pay. Mitt hid in France while the rest of us foght in Viet Nam. Mitt changes his tune depending on which band is playing and has yet to say anything on Monday he agrees with on Thursday. Mitt wants to go to war with Iran while his sons aren’t in the military and I would bet no one he KNOWS is even in the military. Mitt lies, has been caught and even called out by other Republicans…. but “He gets my vote because he isn’t Obama.” Well, neither am I so why don’t you vote for me? You know just about as much about me as you do Mitt.

      • Mimi

        Nancy Pelosi has off shore bank accounts as well. Many Americans do. This president is the most corrupt, divisive, racist that has ever been in the White House. There are no comparisons, which is saying quite a lot, since we have had some very sleazy presidents. If you think Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan are anything like Barack Hussein Obama, you haven’t been listening, watching or hearing what’s been going on, with the throwing away of taxpayer’s money for companies that were bad investments in the first place, and continue to be spent on such companies. The Democrats accuse the Republicans of being the cause of out sourcing, but it’s Obama who is the Outsourcer in Chief. From Brazil, to Venezuela, to China. He bailed out GM, and the only ones who benefited were the unions. The stock holders were wiped out, they didn’t get any of the billions in bail outs. All of that was deliberate, in order to buy union votes. The same applies to Solyndra and others. We have 49 million people in poverty, an administration that hasn’t had a budget since it took office. But 16,000 new IRS agents, to invade our lives even more, and you think Obama is worth voting for again? And he wants to cut our military in half, so all those people will lose their jobs, and in so doing leave us vulnerable to attack. He must know this, and doesn’t give a damn. Hopeless – half this country is stupid beyond belief, and so gullible, it’s frightening.

        • Belinda

          Yes, and his stupid policies of telling our enemies when we are going to leave their country. Thus the shooting of our soldiers. It does not make sense. All those secrets he lets out so he can look good…putting our men in danger..He is like a spoiled brat kid.

      • DAK

        Mimi: Nowhere did I say “vote for Obama.” I just said anyone who votes for Mitt just because he isn’t Obama is clueless. Mitt has yet to tell us anything on Monday he agrees with on Thursday plus all the other “small” problems he has which when all added together is a big problem in my book. I have yet to hear anyone tell me why they are voting FOR Romney other than it is a vote AGAINST Obama. That right there tells me those people would vote for ANYONE who isn’t Obama and that’s my gripe. Mitt sucks but he sucks less than Obama? Quite a reason to vote for him isn’t it?

        I don’t care if Mitt thas off-shore accounts. I don’t care what tax rate he paid. I don’t care how much $$ he has or any of that. I do care about him being secretive. I do care he hasn’t been consistant in what he says. I do care that he lies. I do care that he has yet to announce any policy positions. I do care he would rather drive us (the voters) to the polls with a stick other than lead us with a carrot. You know, make people want to vote FOR him other than AGAINST Obama.

        • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

          and why are people making a big deal about him having off-shore accounts in the first place? He’s not trying to hide his income and avoid paying taxes…

          how did we find out about them?

          FROM HIS TAX RETURNS!!! duhh…

          So, on that point, and a few others, Romney is being treated unfairly, by ignorant people…

          but, I’m still not gonna vote for him…

          – Smoov

        • Belinda

          Romney knows how to run a business..a successful business and put people to work. Obama does not know how to run a business and put anyone to work except government workers.
          Obama knows how to make regulations that harm businesses and cost jobs for Americans.
          Romney knows what hinders the running of businesses and knows how to make pathways for growth leading to jobs for all Americans.
          Romney chose a Vice President who knows how to make a budget…
          Obama does not know how to make a budget or that a budget is even needed.
          Obama wants ten years of tax returns and he has all his files blocked from the American view.
          Obama thinks that our businessmen or women did not make their business themselves.
          Obama wants us to be beholding to countries that do not like us in order to get oil.
          Romney wants us to develop the resources within our own nation to keep us beholding to no one.
          Obama wants to spend, spend, spend. spend all our futures.
          Seniors better not listen to the old party line democrats always give about medicare for us. He is planning to throw us under the bus with his Obamacare. We will have fifteen people deciding if iwe are worth getting procedures. Our doctors will be paid one/third less than what the nonworking Obamacare recipients will receive.We will not be allowed to buy an additional package to provide better care than they allow.
          Babies and Seniors….Obama does not care for us.

          • SamFox

            Problem is not with what Romney says now, it’s DOES HE REALLY MEAN IT? [Caps for emphasis not shouting.]

            Romney exposed
            http://tinyurl.com/86meydk

            Fake Conservative Mitt:
            http://www.newswithviews.com/Nelson/kelleigh123.htm

            Snakes On A Campaign, M Romney, by Southern Avenger
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3etUOq7hVE

            Romney & 0bama the same.
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWDJEc92d38

            If you watch the Snakes On A Campaign video, Jack Hunter shows that Mitt is a duplicitous double tongue who says what ever he thinks the peeps he is speaking to want to hear.

            I have a lot of info on the candidates. That is why I KNOW Ron Paul is the only one we can trust. Any one of less Constitutional stature & we are most likely toast! It’s just a matter of how long it takes to thoroughly burn US down.

            I think the ONLY reason the USA is still floundering & barely breathing is because of Jesus’ people are still praying.

            SamFox

    • DAK

      Like previous ads released by Romney’s campaign, the new spot, titled “Nothing’s Free,” focuses on the $716 billion the president “raided” from Medicare.

      “Some think Obamacare is the same as free healthcare,” the narrator says. “But nothing is free.” Then the ad pivots to the figure, which has also been a regular talking point for both Romney and running mate Paul Ryan on the campaign trail.

      But Obama didn’t exactly cut Medicare, as the Romney campaign claims. The Medicare savings in the Affordable Care Act come from eliminating waste, fraud and abuse, mostly in Medicare Advantage. Furthermore, Ryan included the same savings in his own budget plan, backed by the presumptive Republican presidential nominee and most House Republicans.

  • Cash Hunter

    I disagree with you. No Paul Ryan is not a libertarian and neither are most Americans. I love Ron Paul and agree with him on most issues but not all. Ron can not win a Presidential election nor could he help Romney who needed help. Ron is perceived as a wild eyed nut job just about like Ross Perot.

    I just we get the Fed audited by a REAL auditing firm.

    Blessings,
    Edgar

    • Honest Al

      “Ron can not win a Presidential election” these parrots are trained to say the same thing
      over again! They must watch the same israeli funded news channel.

      • DaveH

        That’s how Propaganda works. They repeat their unsubstantiated claims until ignorant people start believing that they’re true.

  • Leah

    uvuvuv that is a stupid example to give for being older. First of all Ron Paul would never had been doing the stupid things that Obama does and as far as him being old, so was Reagan.

    Everyone now just needs to vote for Romney for what the real reasons are and just stop attacking Ron Paul about how old he is all the time. This is how you drive the Independants away besides and that is childish talk.

  • CBUETT

    For all the Romney supporters, He’s going to spend the same amount of money as Obama is. Any of you who don’t believe this are Mainstream Media sponges. He is not going to cut cost in any dept of the government, so “WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU VOTING FOR!” Get over the Republican label, it means the same exact thing as democrat, (spend money now, and let future generations pay for it!) I’m surprised we elect the same exact people every 4 years, who do exactly the same thing; but Romney Ryan is gonna be different. Romneys a spender just like all the rest.

    • Airangel

      You couldn’t be more wrong CBUETT! Obama expands Government forcing more taxes and harships on tax payers. Romney will expand private sector because he knows it inside and out which will give those suffering jobs and responsibility and better pay. Private Sector expansion NOT Government expansion. He will reduce Government by moving many branches and contracts to the private sector which is exactly what we need. Romney is a numbers guy and knows the bottom line and knows how to balance a budget. He is the choice this election, any other votes are wasted and give Obama a better chance of Victory which would be the end of America. Please go see the movie 2016 and see who Obama is.

    • http://Evangelinestraub@gmail.com Truthical

      Poor CBUETT, are you panicking Obama may not be reelected! What is it, haven’t you had enough of Obamas economy, or perhaps, a lifetime of dole is your source of income!
      I always know a democrat when I hear the bad language!

      • DAK

        Same as everyone knows a spoon-fed, non-thinking Republican voter from the lack of thought in their posts. Do you honestly think the Republicans in DC care about you or your troubles? Not after Novemember they don’t. Nor do any of the current crop there now, yet you advocate voting for these same people this year? As long as we don’t demand better politicians, we will never get better politicians.

  • DAK

    Doesn’t matter what label you put on a person, their true self can be seen from their actions. Ryan is far from anyone I would ever want as VP… I don’t even want him as a member of Congress.

    • http://Evangelinestraub@gmail.com Truthical

      Obviously you must be an Obama supporter, DAK, pretending to join this conversation! I cannot even coherently define your objection to Ryan! Coming from the third world, I say, welcome to immigrate there, and let some of us who appreciate this country and willing to keep this country strong take your place!

      • DAK

        Obviously you are a blind follower and will vote for whomever “they” tell you to. No questions, no thought, no objections. Well, let the RNC spoon-feed you, I prefer to think for myself (even if I do not agree with you and judging by what you’ve posted, I’m glad I don’t.)

      • DAK

        My objections to Ryan? He lies about his budget for one. He complained about the stimulis… yet petitioned for $$ from the stimulis. He supports the “personhood” admendment. He is just another that wants to force his religion on the rest of us.

      • DAK

        Ryan has pushed for earmarks around the same time he started complaining about the practice. He also lobbied for stimulus money while objecting to President Obama’s spending bill. And in at least two instances involving the Department of Transportation, Ryan has pushed the interests of companies whose members have given him campaign donations, according to records obtained by The Huffington Post.

        Steering transportation funds, or weighing in on regulations, is one of the most direct ways a congressman can exert influence. Ryan is certainly not the only politician to attempt to influence the DOT over its decision making. But the fact that Ryan was willing to go to bat on behalf of campaign donors drives against the narrative Ryan has long claimed — that he is a special kind of politician, more saint than sinner.

  • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

    Anybody ever play the game or Risk? It seems that when a player gets extended too far that his home territory becomes a doughnut with a vulnerable center. Our bankrupt nation is in this situation now. Ron Paul may be bad for this country but keeping ourselves over extended leaves home base vulnerable. We can’t afford to keep our military presence out there anymore than we can afford to bring them home. But, then life is not a game or Risk. There are far more important things to consider than just a military presence.

    We have to consider our ability to produce. Instead of our own people investing in American industry at home they chose instead to invest in stocks, bonds and cheap crap from overseas that only went to support those who’s interests were different from our own. They couldn’t see it.

    Finally, and most importantly we have to consider the moral strength of this nation. While our morals decline as a nation so does our physical strength as a nation decline. The deeper into depravity we sink the lower we become in importance on the global scale. This nation is headed toward real third world status and there is nothing short of a nation wide moral/spiritual revival that will stop it. Our strength as a nation doesn’t come just from our own hard work as our hard work requires the blessings of YHWH.

    • Nickuru

      A historical analogy would be Austria before the 1st World War. Economy down the tubes; divided in various nations, regional conflicts, but which insists on engaging in imperialism.

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        Nickuru, good example. You could go back in time as far as you’d like and you.d find this pattern repeating itself over and over.

  • Ted Crawford

    Ron Paul Libertarians, while the antithesis of supporters of Hobbs, More, Plato, and Marx, share something in common, They all seek their own “Perfect Utopia” ! The Paulites Utopia is no more achievable than is Mores. Extremism rarely garners any good results and is always unsustainable!
    ” An Idealist is one who, on noticing that a Rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes that it will also make better soup ” H.L. Mencken

    • DaveH

      So Freedom is extreme now?
      Thanks for outing yourself, Ted.

      • Ted Crawford

        There is nothing extreme with Freedom, Dave! The extremeism comes in his policy stances. His fiscal policies are high risk, but also promise high reward if properly administered and with appropiate cautions, well worth pursuing!
        His problems begin with his Foreign Affairs policy, ” Nothing that happenes anywhere in the World, except within the boundries of our country, is any of our business”. It takes no extensive training in Strategic strategy to see the obvious, glaring flaws with that ideaology !
        However his Nationl Defense Policy is his fatal flaw! To bring all our forces within our National Boundries, would render us a, realistically, defenseless target! Should his fiscal policies turn our economy around, as I believe they would, this would only exacerbate the risk! With a healthy, vibrant economy and all our Defense EGGS in one small basket, the risk to reward evaluation of our enemies would look very good from their point of view! We need to realize that their Military assets are well dispersed, and even if we can successfully launch our missiles, given that they would surly further dispersed theirs before any launch, we would destroy mostly civilians, leaving the bulk of their forces intact, while ours would be devastated !

      • DaveH

        Ted says — “His fiscal policies are high risk”.
        High risk? How long have you been hanging around here, Ted? You certainly have seen the Economic Freedom scales which prove that Bigger Government means Smaller Economies?
        You’ve surely read some of the books or articles that we’ve linked to, explaining how the Public Sector consumes our financial wealth, that otherwise would have been invested by the Private Sector in productive ventures?
        You’ve surely read this book by now, that I link to constantly?
        http://library.mises.org/books/Kel%20Kelly/The%20Case%20for%20Legalizing%20Capitalism.pdf
        It’s time to get off the couch, Ted, and learn something.

      • DaveH

        Ted says — “It takes no extensive training in Strategic strategy to see the obvious, glaring flaws with that ideaology !”.
        Apparently, your training is not enough, Ted, because I see nothing but conjecture in your comments. No evidence. No logic. Just conjecture.
        How would you explain Switzerland, Ted? Apparently, they have no idea what they’re doing according to your conjecture. You better get over there, Ted, and show them the error of their ways.
        We spend more than 3 times as much on defense as the next biggest military power in the world (China), and they have 4 times our population. And no country’s Gang Leaders in their right minds have dared to attack us in over a hundred years. Some day that may change, however, thanks to Aggressors like yourself building enemies for us around the world.
        If you’d take your Propaganda Blinders off for just a few hours, and read some of the books I’ve linked to, you would see that our foreign adventures have been almost exclusively due to Powerful Bankers using our soldiers’ lives and our citizens’ money to feather their own nests.
        Get your head out, Ted, we don’t have much time.

      • Ted Crawford

        Come now DaveH, you force me to use one of Mr. Livingstons favorite phrases here. To compare Switzerland to America is a Non Sequitur!
        Switzerland, in the first place is a much smaller Nation. The have chosen a different role in the World Community. While they were once a World Leader and one of the strongest military nations, they’ve decieded to follow a different path today, with the exception of the Vatican Guards, their military is purly for limited self-defence. America, on the otherhand, has chosen a different role, we are, or at least were, World Leaders!
        Nations such as Switzerland survive World Conflicts primarily because all World Leaders, if they are intelligent leaders are aware that neutral areas are vital to any successful strategy. Both sides, again if under intelligent leadership, will protect their neutrality! Switzerland has proven particularly exceptional in this role!
        In the second place Switzerland knows they can depend on nations like America, should some idiots launch any offensive against them!

  • s g

    Paul is WAY OFF on the drug and military issues. He would make a wonderful financial oversight committee chairmen in Romney’s administration.
    His son, Rand is more mainstream yet tough on spending and national security issues

  • Leah

    Why bother to keep talking about Ron Paul anymore now anyway, as he has already said we need to vote Romney. I voted for Ron Paul in the primaries but I am voting Romney and the rest of you who wanted Ron Paul need to do the same.

    • WhatIsLiberty

      RON PAUL NEVER SAID, “VOTE ROMNEY.” He would ***NEVER*** support Romney. Never.

  • CBUETT

    Airangel, SO WILL ROMNEY! Romneys is a tax and spend liberal just like Obama. There is no difference. Its the same crap with Bush vs Gore. Bush was a “conservative” who was going to stop big government expansion and how did that work out. Bill Clinton was 500 times more conservative than George Bush.

  • http://Evangelinestraub@gmail.com Truthical

    With Obama still in power, and our country in the verge of collapse, why are you printing a counter productive article by Myers! I am disappointed! If some of you stay home and not vote for Romney/Ryan, you and your children will deserve the kind of America Obama has in store for you, so PLEASE GROW UP,

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      How about if we DON’T stay home and DON’T vote for romney!!! Maybe THEN we can turn this country BACK to what our forefathers gave us!!! A vote for romney IS a vote for MORE OF THE SAME!!! Look at history! Wake up!

  • Mark Anthony Jones

    I understand some people like Ron Paul’s economic reforms, but they cannot understand his foreign policy and some have even said they understand it and cannot support it. These people are largely Christian and consider themselves pro-life. I will outline some specific government actions taken behind the backs of the American people and not approved by declaration or explicit consent of Congress and therefore the people. And then you can see for yourselves if you still support the actions of your government.

    Our own government and the CIA overthrew the popular democratically elected Prime Minister Mosadeq of Iran in 1953 and installed our puppet the Shah. The Iranians have not forgotten our meddling in their sovereignty. Madeleine Allbright was the first to openly admit this truth.

    In 1954, we overthrew the democratically elected President Arbenz of Guatemala: 200,000 Guatemalans people were killed.

    In 1963, we backed the assassination of South Vietnamese President Diem and from then until 1975 we killed 4 million people in Southeast Asia.

    September 11, 1973, the US Stages a coup in Chile, democratically elected President Salvadore Allende was assassinated by our CIA. Dictator Augusto Pinochet was installed, 5000 Chilean people were murdered.

    In 1977, the US backs the military rulers of El Salvador; 70,000 Salvadorans and four American nuns were killed.

    In the 1980’s the US trained Osama Bin Laden and his fellow terrorists to kill Soviets in Afghanistan; the CIA gives them $3 Billion.

    In 1981, the Reagan Administration trains and funds the “contras”; 30,000 Nicaraguans die.

    In 1982, the US gives billions in aid to Saddam Hussain in Iraq for weapons to kill Iranians.

    In 1983 the White house secretly gave weapons to Iran to kill Iraqis.

    In 1989, CIA agent, Manual Noriega, also serving as President of Panama, disobeys Washington’s orders. The US invades Panama and removes Noriega. There were 3,000 Panamanian casualties.

    In 1990, Iraq invades Kuwait with weapons from the US. 1991, the US enters Iraq. Bush reinstates the dictator of Kuwait.

    1998 Clinton bombs a “weapons factory” in Sudan. The weapons factory turns out to be making aspirin.

    1991 to present, American planes bomb Iraq on a weekly basis until recently. The UN estimates that 500,000 Iraqi children died from bombing and sanctions.

    From 2000 to 2001 the US gives Taliban-ruled Afghanistan $245 million in aid. September 11, 2001, Osama Bin Laden uses his expert CIA training to murder 3,000 people.

    2001 to present the US invades Afghanistan in search of those responsible for the 9/11 attacks. The US abandons the search and instead occupies Afghanistan to nation build and installs “democracy”. 3000 American troops killed and 10,000+ wounded; 10,000 Afghani civilians killed.

    2003 to present, invades and then occupies Iraq due to the lies of Iraq developing weapons of mass destruction. 73,876 US soldiers killed according to new numbers recently release that include ALL categories of deaths of our servicemen (our government initially classified the dead as just less than 5,000), 35,000 estimated wounded and over 1,000,000 Iraqi civilian casualties and 35% of all children in Iraq are orphaned with no parents.

    We blame Al Quada for 9-11, but side with them and give them aid to invade Libya and overthrow Syria 10 years later. OUR FOREIGN POLICY is schizophrenic and psycho! No wonder people all over the world hate us — we are killers.

    If you are calling yourself “conservative” you might need to re-asses what you actually believe. Are you in favor of all of this killing of innocents for corporate defense contractor profits? That’s all it is – our people in uniform are not protecting the country, they are blowing up other countries for profit and you are supporting it is you are believing the crap you are being sold by the media. God help you at the judgement bar of God if you do. If you do not, then join the “libertarians” who believe that God’s judgement is coming on America for THIS sin!

    It is important to note that Truman (D) got us into Korea; Eisenhower (R) was elected to get us out. Johnson (D) got us into Vietnam and Nixon (R) was elected to get us out. Neither of these conflicts was declared. Ron Paul’s position is that IF it is so important – GET A DECLARATION – if it is not important enough for a declaration of war by the Congress, or one cannot be obtained because the people are against it – you do NOT have the constitutional authority to do it. Period.

    God bless Dr. Ron Paul, a man of honesty, integrity, character and passion for America, its Constitution and the principles of the Republic! I fully support his foreign policy of non-interventionism – as it is the foreign policy of Robert Taft, Barry Goldwater and the Republican Party BEFORE it was hijacked by neocons coming from the Democrat party during the Vietnam War. I.e., Irving Cristol, et al. It is the policy of George W. Bush BEFORE he was corrupted by the Council on Foreign Relations.

    The liberty movement to restore the Republic and the Constitution is not a cult of Ron Paul. He just happens to be the current standard bearer. When he is off the scene, the movement to restore our Republic will not die. Another leader will rise up to continue this movement. I am a part of the LIBERTY movement until I die and will continue to fight the globalist neocon police state establishment in BOTH parties every day.

    • http://na Mike in NE

      M.A.Jones, the propagandized sheeple love the warmongering, esp. when they get to sit at home and watch on the MSM t.v. and chant USA,USA,USA. Oooh,look at those fireworks…oooh ahhhh Disgusting.

    • Thor

      Personally, as far as my own conduct and deepest feelings, I believe in leaving other people alone and require they do the same for me. I believe the government should be only just big enough to get the job done, everyone should have to earn what they own and own what they earn, that personal crimes are punishable by a loss of freedom and in some cases life itself; and, I believe the core of conservatism is to establish and husband such values as social practice and that change is to be resisted (tradition maintained) until it produces a perfect alternative to common practice.
      To this extent I hold the ultra-conservative libertarian view.
      But, it seems to me that at the very point a person chooses to act on anything at all and, at the point he chooses to cease being isolated in inaction, he becomes something other than libertarian. Everyone seems to draw that line and establish that ‘point’ at a different place.
      Mark Anthony Jones, you have provided some excellent examples of so-called US aggression, but for every one of them there is an alternative view and for every example you name there is a counter example of the US failure to act in time to prevent genocidal behavior and brigandage. Bosnia, for example, where “According to the ICRC data, 200,000 people were killed, 12,000 of them children, up to 50,000 women were raped, and 2.2 million were forced to flee their homes.” Or Rwanda, where 800,000 people were murdered and another 2 million displaced from their homes—half the country’s population. In large part, these failures occurred while the US was waiting on others to act—the Europeans, the Russians, the Chinese, any one of whom had more resources at their disposal.
      The conflict here seems to be rooted in decision of when to help others. It matters little where you draw the line; the so-called military-industrial-complex will be there to exploit the circumstances. As for Congressional power…Congress has always had the power to recall any troops or actions taken by the President. It rarely has…and any declaration of war changes the rules. Alas, if we send our troops to die, there should be a declaration accompanied by a commitment to a final solution.
      In practical reality, expecting everyone to mind his own business and leave others alone goes too far in the presumption that it is consistent with human nature to do so. History proves otherwise. In the end, however, I think we agree on the fact that the US seems to act only in times of self-interest…if only there had been oil in Rwanda….
      Finally, I am still waiting on DaveH to explain the difference between ‘stateless government’ and anarchy.

      • DaveH

        Doesn’t it make you just a little curious, Thor, as to why the Establishment picks and chooses which countries to aid and which to not? Has it not occurred to you, Thor, that the Leaders and their Crony Capitalists don’t really care about human suffering? That really they just use whatever lip-service the voters will swallow so they can continue their self-enrichment at the rest of our expense?
        Have you read the books I’ve linked to? If not, why not? Are you afraid of truth?

      • DaveH
      • DaveH

        Note that when Mises talks about “Liberal”, he is referring to Classical Liberal, not the Social Liberals of today who are really just a subgroup of Progressives.

      • Thor

        Thanks, DaveH, for the links. I have read them all—thus, the late reply. And I repeat, “It matters little where you draw the line; the so-called military-industrial-complex will be there to exploit the circumstances.”

        The quandary here—as, I actually agree with you most of the time—is that I see no alternative to inaction offered either by you or the writers at Von Mises. You point out problems we already know but offer no alternative solutions to those which have already failed. Your ideas of small government (which I like) or better yet (the inference is) no government at all are appealing but totally impossible precisely because the notion depends on people leaving other people alone, not committing crimes, stealing, getting on planes with bombs, etc—and you and I both know that this is against human nature. Government exists as a result of human nature; it does not cause human nature.

        And, I think we agree that when a government exists as long as the US government has the puerile and punctilious and the Chrony capitalists will migrate to its capital to feed. Now we have a large government and a small standing army; if you want small government and a big army, go to Chile, Ecuador, or one of the South American dictatorships as example of another failed alternative.

        So, help me here…give me an example where stateless government has worked and isolationism and non-militarism has worked…as an example for the US to follow

  • CBUETT

    Theres a reason Romney is loved by the RNC, because he is the same as Bush. If he doesnt raise taxes he’ll just run deficits. But he sure isnt going to cut spending, which is what has to be done.

  • CBUETT

    Mark Anthony Jones, Exactly. If we didnt elect people who supported our military putting cold hearted murderers in power in other countries and then kill their own citizens, people might not fly planes into our buildings.

  • Rich

    I will vote against fiscal insanity and the Obama administration. But when Romney wins, what will I get? Most likely, a slowdown in the increase of spending, and NOT real cuts. I would love to see a President willing to issue an order telling every unit of the executive branch to CUT their personnel by 10% by the end of the first month of the new term. I would love to see a President willing to fight THIS CENTURY’S WAR by concentrating on the terrorists (state surrogates) rather than ‘nation-building.’ I would love to see the government make our tax forms on one page of paper. No matter who is elected – these common sense changes WILL NOT HAPPEN because politicians are addicted to ‘more’ of everything. Realize that real change does not come from Washington, it comes from ‘we the people.’ We have the government we deserve.

  • Belinda

    Yes, you must be a democrat because you are doing everything possible for Obama to win. Thanks a lot.

  • http://na Mike in NE

    I, as much as anyone would love to be rid of obama. Voting for slow cancer as opposed to fast cancer is not in my playbook, just can’t do it. Yes, I voted for Perot, not figuring to win but to send a message. Americans are too brainwashed by MSM to realize what is happening. I would have thought after not realizing clinton’s/bushes tactics were just more of what got us here, people would seriously look at rhe bigger picture, not MSM telling you what will work. Obviously, unless the primaries votes were a sham, people are happy with the scraps they receive and not a real solution. That is Ron Paul, Gary Johnson and whomever they would pick for their team. Anything less is a pipe dream. It just takes some honest research to understand.

    • Belinda

      Primary votes are not a sham. Get with the program. Not everyone wants Ran Paul as our president. Time to get your head out of the sand and take you vote from Obama.

      • Nadzieja Batki

        WHO the bloody h… ARE YOU TO TELL ANYONE TO GET WITH THE PROGRAM? Playing a thug today because you don’t get your own way.

        • Belinda

          HUH

      • http://na Mike in NE

        My dear Belinda, you’ve been duped and do not realize it. Try a little harder please.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        OH!!! Sooooooo, you think WE should vote the way that YOU want us to?!?

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Absolutely NOTHING you’ve said has led me in THAT direction!!!

        • Belinda

          Ran Paul or nothing at all.
          Head is in the sand
          So I don’t have far to fall.
          Amen. Say it again
          Ron Paul or nothing at all.

          • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

            There are times when honorable people have to put it on the line, and take a stand, and say No More… I Will Go No Further…

            So many of us have reached that point, and Ron Paul just happened to be the one we chose to be our standard-bearer.

            We could accept others too with no problem, although none of them happen to be in the Republican party, so it is Ron Paul that the Progressives focus on, as they see he is their biggest threat.

            We’ve compromised ourselves to death for generations, and look where it got us…

            No more… I will go no further…

            – Smoov

          • Belinda

            So you are saying people who vote for Romney are not honorable. Billy Graham is he not honorable to name one….

          • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

            I said what I said, and that’s all I said.

            You folks keep twisting it around however you want to, if it’ll make you feel better at night…

            – Smoov

          • Belinda

            Yes, you said what you said and there was only one conclusion to be derived. A person who votes for Romney is not an honorable one.
            One might could conclude that only libertarians are honorable and from comments made to others of my same persuasion we are without common sense and are idiots.

          • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

            I can honestly find no fault in your conclusion.

            Yes, that is how I feel about your party now, and yes, I pretty much feel that way about the people who continue to blindly support it, continuing to spout the party’s propaganda, willfully blinding themselves to the actions their party does, while cheering them on in the process.

            You’ve been conditioned to be a Republican shill, without independent critical thought of your own, contradicting yourself over and over and over again in this very thread, without the apparent ability to recognize that your own arguments don’t reflect the reality of the situation.

            You’re a Republican, you will vote Republican, as you’re programmed to do, and all of your rationalizations’ only purpose is to justify that programmed conclusion.

            If you really believed the things that you have claimed you believed? How could you possibly continue to support it?

            You make absolutely no sense, your words and actions do not support each other. Therefore, I can’t help but have doubts about your sanity.

            That is what I think.

            – Smoov

          • Belinda

            I am not blindly voting for Republican. I will be voting for a democratic congressman. I know him and have followed him. Have his number in my phone. Call and let him know when I like him to vote for this and that. I stay informed I get a newsletter and regular phone calls to be on telephone conferencing for all my representatives and I have attended local meetings and meet with my congressman, senator, and others in the government. I check on what is going on and see how they voted. I do not come from a place of ignorance and I do not blindly follow. I try to use my best judgement to vote for a person who has proven themselves to be doing a good job with wisdom. I know they might not vote my way all the time, but most of the time and they are genuinely looking out for us.
            I want my voice to be heard and I want my vote to count, therefore; I will vote for a viable legally nominated candidate with the best chance of seeing my vote make a difference.
            If that shows I have lack of common sense or that I am an idiot…so be it.

          • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

            > I will vote for a viable legally nominated candidate
            > with the best chance of seeing my vote make a difference.

            That isn’t Romney, on either count.

            – Smoov

          • Belinda

            right.

          • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness
  • Wil

    Ron Paul would be the one to shrink the government and turn things around,which is exactly why he doesn’t have a chance in hell.He is simply not part of the globalist establishment the two-headed beast (both parties) has sold us all out to.Even if he was to win by write-in votes,we would never even hear about it.The establishment has decided two choices for us,both with basically the same agenda.They will not let anyone outside of that agenda win. I’m surprised so many people have not figured that out yet.

  • CBUETT

    Belinda Really, people who want real change and not just some new guy who’s going to continue the same political bs are helping Obama. You can vote Romney, and I guarantee the deficit will continue, the money printing will continue, the war mongering will continue, the government involvement in your life will continue, the police state will continue and the crappy dillusional Republican and Democrat mindsets will continue.

    • Belinda

      Yes, when you talk about making a real change…that is when I really, really get suspicious.
      That is the mantra of Obama. Hope and Change…I want to fundamentally change America. That is what Ran Paul wants to do …fundamentally change America?
      This real change…I want none of it.
      I think that fundamentally….that is the strong suit of America. Fundamentals is where the greatest is of our nation lies.

    • Belinda

      yes there will be a deficit for a long while. However; a budget must be made in order to go through the long hall that it will take to be rid of it.
      Fail to plan and plan to fail, I always heard. Obama has made no plans, not even a budget. He got his group together to tell him what he needed to do to get things under control and he totally ignored it. The job council that he hasn’t met with in over six months, those on it said that when they meet, nothing happened. Obama loves being a president. He loves the title, but he can not get down to do the work for our country to succeed. He doesn’t have the background and knowledge to know what to do. Our country does not need another four years of on the job training for Obama. He gave it a good try, but it was not good enough.

    • Belinda

      Yes, and we were supposed to get a real change when we got Obama. How is that working for you?

  • jopa

    Very good article in the Huffington Post today as to why the GOP (Grand Obstructionist Party) is afraid of Ron Paul, how the GOP tried to screw him over and how he may still get the nomination in the upcoming convention.I know you folks don’t trust anything they say however it is a good read.

    • tncdel

      I voted for Ron Paul as a write-in vote in 2008. Thereby inadvertently helping Obama win. But McCain was a lot more like Obama than is Romney.

      For example, when it comes to opposing the illegal alien invasion, both Obama and McCain are rated an F minus by NumbersUSA. Whereas, Romney gets a B minus. Gary Johnson is almost as bad as Obama, rated an F. Ron Paul not much better at a D minus. His son Rand is stronger on opposing illegals.

      See:
      https://www.numbersusa.com/content/action/2012-presidential-hopefuls-immigration-stances.html

      Ron Paul is lousy on DOMESTIC national defense. You can’t be “pick ‘n choose” about what you uphold of the Constitution, then afterwards credibly claim to be a “strict constitutionalist.”

      Further, though Ron Paul talks a good game when it comes to government spending and balancing the budget, he’s actually no more than an “armchair quarterback.” Whereas, Romney’s “been there done that.” See:
      http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/mitt-romney-as-governor-of-the-bluest-of-blue-states-managed-to-balance-the-budget-without-raising-t/question-2533475/

      I’m hoping Ron Paul will use his political leverage to obtain the Secretary of the Treasury post under the Romney admin. That way Paul could audit the Fed as he wishes.

    • DAK

      Romney’s people ran to Big Daddy GOP to rescue them from their defeats by trying to disqualify the valid Ron Paul delegates and to take away Ron Paul’s right to speak and be on the ballot by reducing his states won to fewer than the five needed.

      So far, Romney and the GOP have contested the Ron Paul wins in Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts and Oregon. They threw out the Massachusetts Ron Paul delegates after the GOP tried to force the delegates to sign a long legal document that required them to vote for Romney. This was not something that had ever been done before. The GOP allowed Romney, big lawyers and big bullying to invalidate Ron Paul’s solid win in Massachusetts.

      As in the other states, the Ron Paul delegates in Maine played by the rules and won. Even Governor LePage of Maine, a Republican, is appalled with GOP efforts to throw out the duly-elected Ron Paul delegates.

      The entire plot to reduce Ron Paul wins to under five states to take his name off the ballot and take away his 15-minute speaking slot is well under way. If Romney/Ryan are so great, why can’t they handle a little competition without whining and crying like sore losers?

      Are they afraid of losing the 2012 nomination to Ron Paul if he speaks and is on the ballot?

      Why not play fair and let the best man win?

      Who cheats? The lazy, bratty, insecure and less-qualified people who can’t win honestly and fairly. Is that really presidential material?

      • Belinda

        Other candidates who won in other states like Newt from Georgia and others who won in other states, did they keep their candidates after it was clear they would not have enough to win the nomination?

    • DAK

      And, due to the shabby treatment Ron Paul and his supporters have received from the GOP and Romney’s people, many Ron Paul supporters may refuse to vote for Romney in 2012, even if it means Obama being re-elected for four more years. One supporter told me, “I want the GOP to see how many votes they lost by playing dirty. They will only be able to count all the lost votes if I vote for Gary Johnson.”

    • DAK

      But here is the GOP’s conflict: If the GOP nominates Ron Paul and he wins, many of the GOP cronies will be shown the door. There will be a big house cleaning of corrupt politicians, like turning on the lights and the cockroaches scatter. On the other hand, if they don’t nominate Ron Paul, they risk losing all the Ron Paul supporters, which would likely split the vote and lose the 2012 election entirely.

      It is hard to make those type of decisions when choosing what is best for the country doesn’t figure in at all, but choosing what is best for their own selfish principles of self-preservation, greed and thirst for power rule the day.

  • tncdel

    I’m not at all thrilled with Romney’s VP choice. Was hoping either Allen West or Rand Paul. But I’m glad it’s not that TRAITOR Marco Rubio [who puts the interests of foreign nationals here illegally ahead of America's best interests], or the RINO Chris Christie [who, among other things, appointed a Muslim with ties to Hamas who supports Sharia Law, as a judge], or Condi Rice [a puppet of the New World Order Bilderberg one-world-government globalists who supported Obama in 2008... ditto Colin Powell].

    Ryan’s better than most others Romney was considering.

  • Randy G

    Isn’t the VP an ineffective post anyway. The VP only takes over when the Pres is not able to.

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      The VP takes over if the P is incapable. Plus, he has a vote in the senate when there is a tie.

  • http://twitter.com/Piquerish Piquerish (@Piquerish)

    So … don’t vote and stay at home … or vote for Ron Paul or Mickey Mouse … because purity surely matters … and then watch Obama complete the destruction of our country. Simple.

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      Romney has sold America’s foreign policy, and his soul, to the Zionist. Maybe we’ll die rich but we’ll be just as dead.

  • Markie

    Why would people take to this evil Ayn Randian ideology? This Godless bitch is purely evil — money/greed trumps civility and humanity, at all times! I think these followers are, in fact, evil themselves. Look at crass, callous, heartless, and evil mentality permeating our political, financial, and economics institutions, which surely had ruined the USA as we used to know it. Wall Street is a poster boy for this evil ideology; the whole had been thoroughly corrupted and criminalized.

  • Average Joe

    Hmmm,
    I have been noticing an awful lot of new names around here for the last few months…and most of them seem to be Romney supporters. I must wonder…is this the Romney camp trying to infiltrate the Ron Paul crowd to convince us that Romney is already the winner? ( I guess when a site is in the top 10 Libertarian sites in the country…someone has to try to slant the view and make it appear that we aren’t really Libertarians).It seems to me that most of these new folks all spout the same tired rhetoric…RP is a nutcase, RP is just plain wrong about drugs and military, A vote for RP is a vote for Obama etc…but yet none of these folks bring anything to back up thier assertions…they simply bring accusations. They tell us exactly what the MSM tells us…nothing more, nothing less…no facts..no supporting evidence..nothing but thier own opinion. Sorry new folks supporting R&R…you aren’t going to change the minds of people that frequent this site…you are only trying toconvince yourselves that R&R is a winning ticket for America….you are not convincing us. Those of us the frequent this site have something that you folks don’t have…morals, values, INTEGRITY.
    Personally, I wouldn’t vote for Romney if he was the only man in a one man race any more than I’d bet on a one legged man in an ass-kicking contest..it ain’t gonna happen.You stand a much better chance of getting the liberals to vote for Romney…..try MSNBC…maybe you’ll have better luck there…they are much more gullible than we are…..

    Ron Paul 2012!!!
    In it to win it!

    Best Wishes,
    AJ

    • WhatIsLiberty

      Well said. I wonder why most of these people are even here…they have not the foggiest idea of what “personal liberty” is. It’s not neoconservatism…as most of the commenters seem to be…

      Newly elected princinct committee woman and advocate of personal liberty!

      RON PAUL 2012!

      • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

        Freedom is merely another word for status, like serfdom. Liberty is God’s gift to a moral man. That freedom is to enjoy anything that is moral. Moral: God’s rules of action and interaction. There is quid pro quo. You act immorally or amorally, you’ll find yourself in a state of bondage

      • Average Joe

        WhatIsLiberty ,

        They are here because they’ve had an epiphany in the last few months. Support for Ron Paul and the freedom / liberty movement has grown by leaps and bounds over the last four years. The have come to the realization that thier party appointed savior can’t win …without our support and they will say and do anything to get us to set aside our values…to vote for “the lesser of two evils.
        What they can’t understand is that those of us that are liberty minded, will not set aside our values to do so. They can’t understand that the lesser of two evils, is still evil and that getting to Hell five minutes later …doesn’t change the destination…only the timing of arrival.

        We will not vote for Romney…period. If Obama wins the election, it won’t be because we voted for Ron Paul…it will be because…they didn’t vote for Ron Paul. Willard can’t win without us…so now they have a choice to make…Get on board with the Ron Paul folks…or lose the election, it’s that simple.
        We are riding on the front of the bus now…no longer relegated to the back of the bus. The ball is firmly in thier court, they can play by our rules or they can forfiet the game… it’s thier choice to make….we’ve made ours…. No Compromise…no deals…no vote for R&R.
        I’ll be at the Convention supporting Ron Paul, hope to see you there.

        Ron Paul / Andrew Napolitano 2012!!!
        In it to win it.!

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      That’s funny! You’re right! There do seem to be a lot of newbies telling us that we “have to” vote for romney! I’ll tell you what. Every few weeks the republicrap party sends me junk in the mail, trying to get me to support romney. I take a BIG FAT magic marker and write in BIG FAT letters that, I WILL NEVER SUPPORT ROMNEY!!! Then, they want me to put my OWN stamp on it, to save them money. I DON’T!!! You’d think they would take my name OFF their list, but they DON’T! Oh well, they can pay the postage!!! Maybe, someday, they will GET the message!!!

      • Average Joe

        Nancy in Nebraska,

        I don’t waste my time sending thier mail back. I have found that it breaks down quite nicely in a compost pile…since it is all basically BS anyway…. ;)

        Best Wishes,
        AJ

      • Belinda

        we all thought Ron Paul was all about freedom of speech. That includes everyone…Romney supporters and the like. You can not have it both ways, Freedom for some and not for all.
        I would think that lovers of the constitution would be all up in the air against Obama. He has abused the powers of the presidency and the constitution to no end since he has been in office. As much as some of you seem to be informed, it is quite strange that this aspect of the Obama administration is totally lost to some of you.

        • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

          except that the Democrats are actually acting in line with their mission statement.

          the Democrats have always been about big government, and big government solutions.

          we have always expected this kind of stuff from Democrats.

          say what you want about them, but they are a lot better at remaining true to their mission statement than the Republicans have been since longer than I’ve been alive, and I’m no youngster whatsoever.

          we’re critical of the Republicans, because they abandoned their mission statement, consistently go against what the Republicans are supposed to stand for.

          The Republicans are the ones, who are betraying us, not the Democrats.

          If the Republicans ever get their act together, and get back to what Republicans are supposed to stand for, then maybe, just maybe, we’ll be able to respect them again, and take them seriously again…

          until then? they have earned every last bit of derision we throw at them.

          – Smoov

          • Belinda

            Yes and you need to check out the mission statement of the Democrats this time. I don’t know if it is complete yet, but if so and it is what I have read so far; I hope they are a bunch of liars. If what they claim is their mission, I surely do not want that to come to pass. I would have more respect for them if they were lying because if what they want as their mission, help us……..help us.

          • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

            So… you’re saying you respect liars?

            Good to know…

            – Smoov

          • Belinda

            I am saying that if they actually accomplish the mission they have set forth to do, I would rather that they lied about it and did not accomplish the mission rather that to do the mission they have put forth.
            In other words, if they do what they say they want to do……..thumbs down.
            If they fail to do what they want to…a lie if you will…thumbs up.
            A lie is worse than the alternative….Mission accomplished.

          • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

            A failure isn’t a lie…

            Being wrong, isn’t a lie either…

            The Republicans talk out of both sides of their mouths, more than the Democrats do.

            What good is it to make empty claims of smaller government, when you don’t believe in it?

            When you praise The Constitution in one breath, then squat down and leave a big stinking pile on it in the next?

            These are the people you want in power?

            I don’t want either of the Progressive parties. None of it.

            Never again.

            – Smoov

          • Belinda

            The congress wants to do, but according to the constitution that you love so well, there is a senate and a president. The president said he would not work with them and the senate went right along with that. The congress keeps working to put things before the senate, and the senator Reid won’t even put things up for a vote. Are you saying the congress should disregard the constitution and find some way to bypass the senate and the president of the United States?

          • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

            You know that’s not what I’m saying, unless you’re being deliberately obtuse.

            I wasn’t distinguishing between the different branches, and frankly, the Senate is nothing more than an additional House of Representatives, ever since the states had their representation stripped from them. Probably one of the most corrupt events I can think of happening in my lifetime.

            Again tho, you’re falling into the Dem vs Rep trap.

            How many times have one party or the other, put on a good show of trying as hard as they can to block legislation, or repeal legislation, and then didn’t think it important to take up, the moment they had a solid majority, and could do so without opposition?

            I suspect that will happen again with ObamaCare. We’ve already had one Rep self-destruct, I expect there will be more. Just enough, to deny the Republicans enough of a majority to repeal it without opposition, while still allowing them the ability to make a public spectacle out of it for our benefit.

            Don’t forget, they aren’t separate parties anymore. They are both Progressive parties, and they’ve had a long long time to become very very good, at putting on a show, keeping us divided and distracted.

            Libertarians, are mostly made up of people who partially fit into both parties, but find too much of either party to be acceptable.

            If you’re socially liberal, then you have to accept big, expansive government

            If you’re fiscally conservative, then you have to accept legislated morality, and oh so slightly less, big government

            Most of us, find that unacceptable. Easily, the majority of people I have met, and as a truck driver I have been all over the country, face to face, and I have had ample opportunity to get a good cross-section of people to base this on… but that the majority, are socially liberal and fiscally conservative, as far as what they want from their federal government.

            Often, many of them were socially conservative, but are against the government imposing that on everyone, which makes them effectively, socially liberal, but is a part of their fiscal conservatism. Small government, within the confines of The Constitution. This is what conservatism is supposed to be.

            But I digress… I’ve felt betrayed for way too many administrations, to ever fall for their trap again. I don’t believe the Progressive parties anymore. Neither of them. Compromise, in our government, is NOT a virtue, and only serves to further the Progressive/Democrat’s goals, but since the Progressive/Republicans are on the same team now, they still need to maintain the current fiction of them being opposites of each other.

            – Smoov

          • Belinda

            Everyone fusses if the Congress does not hold out for what they really want. Yet they never can get anything done without a compromise. In government something has to give. Like the extension of the tax cuts. Obama will extend the tax cuts for everyone except those making over so much money. He himself said earlier that in an economy like we have today, that is best for our nation. But still he wants to pit those who make money against those who make more.
            He knows when he introduces this that it will not be passed. He just likes to make controversy. It would not be the best for our country, but I wish the Republicans would say okay Obama we will give you what you want. Pass the bill and let things fall where they may. Then Obama would absolutely not be voted in because of what would happen.

          • Belinda

            I meant to say a lie is better than the alternative..Mission accomplished.

  • betty

    look would you want Obama care then?will if so i’ll tell you what’s in it right here[age272/section1145:cancer Hospita;s will ration care to ones age!!!! [[page 429/line 13-25: The government will secify which dr’s can wrte an end-of-life order to!!!!! now you tell me should we say good bye to our elderly mom’s &dad’s????????????????

    • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

      You might like Obamacare when we’re in the middle of world war 111. But then we might get lucky and the Lord comes back.

    • deerinwater

      “The government will secify which dr’s can wrte an end-of-life order to!!!!! now you tell me should we say good bye to our elderly mom’s & dad’s????????????????”

      Yes, I think so Betty, with or without insurance, regardless of how it is administered, you say Good Bye to mother & father. These events are not pleasant to ponder but someone has too and someone does everyday.

      The process of Administering to health care for yourself and your family has for the last 60 years been the hands of Insurance Companies and Care Givers. Prior it depended on where you were at and how much money you had. In the rural communities , care was limited, young women were dying from complicated child birth, people would be said to die of fever and consumption, (meaning that they was “consumed” and drowned in body fluid)

      So yes, there will come a time to say farewell and good bye.

      There is an order to life and with it comes an end. If you don’t wish to see it that way ~ I can certainly understand but there has to be some grownup in the room to help guide us through this process that is impossible to circumvent or avoid as much as we might refuse to accept it.

      My Father passed over the 16th of December, ~ the last 45 days he would stare up at the ceiling that he had built and painted several times, refusing to eat. He was tired and his body no longer wanted food, so he pooped and pooped and waste away to skin and bones.

      We had hospice care to help the family care for him, someone was coming in everyday, watching, and tending to. ~ His last 22 hours, they were there every second, the last 10, he was spoon fed tiny doses of morphine to ease his suffering while remaining conscience.

      All of This care, the special bed, oxygen machine, the nurses, the hospice, the doctors was second to none. While is was a hard passing it was make much easier, gentle, and kinder with all this professional help. People that have aided the aging in their final passing hundreds of time.

      There is a time to say Good Bye. But No one will be rushed. But If you can get your shoes on and walk out the door, then that is exactly what you need to do.

      • Karolyn

        Cases like your father are exactly why I support the right to die. In those shoes I would like a nice pill to put my tired old body to sleep forever so I could go on to the next journey.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Well, KISS MY A$$ goodbye!!! I’m a cancer survivor who’s got all kinds of health problems, thanks to the chemo!!! They won’t keep me around!!!

  • chuckb

    how can people who obviously are not stupid, continue to rant for ron paul. there is no chance in hell of ron paul winning the presidency, writing his name on the ballot is a vote for barry plain and simple.

    i can understand barry supporters planting the idea of a paul win, that’s another vote for the bolshevilks. anyone at this stage of the game who cannot see through this charade go ahead throw your vote away, then spend another four years ranting and raging about the fuhrer, barry soetoro.
    the only thing paul can do, if he decides to get his dander up and walks out of the convention, he will draw votes, maybe enough to hurt romney, however, he will hurt the country more.

    • WhatIsLiberty

      “anyone at this stage of the game who cannot see through this charade go ahead throw your vote away, then spend another four years ranting and raging about the fuhrer, barry soetoro.”

      The same could equally be said about Romney…

      “Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.” John Quincy Adams

      • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

        Yup! That’s us. Always happy with second best when the best was in our grasp.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      We’re still hoping for CHANGE! In FACT, we’re INSISTING upon it!!! If you want MORE OF THE SAME, vote for romney! THATS EXACTLY what you’ll GET!!!

      • Belinda

        I happen to disagree. I think Romney will be a l80 degree change from Obama….If not heaven help us all.

        • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

          Romney’s health care system was the basis for ObamaCare…

          Both Romney and Obama are Progressives…

          Both Romney and Obama do not get to the point when speaking to the people… just recycled stale stump-speeches, deflection, hedging… unable to commit.

          Both Romney and Obama are for big government solutions.

          Both Romney and Obama are for government being in charge of the people.

          How can you possibly delude yourself into thinking Romney will EVER come CLOSE to being a 180-degree change to Obama? There isn’t even a 20-degree difference between them.

          Ugh…

          Break yourself free, please… this cycle has got to be broken… and it is our fault our politics are this way…

          – Smoov

  • http://wildeyguns.com The Christian American

    Besides following politics like a cobra under my bed for the last 45 years and running for office four times with the Libertarian’s and Consitutionalists, I’ve watched the congress and senate like the people who have control of my life, liberty and property. In that regard, I have seen only one Ron Paul come to surface. Paul Ryan is NOT a Ron Paul. He’s a federalist, a believer in the federal government not states rights. On top of that he’s all for the building of the American empire and might makes right. He doesn’t believe: “For the love of money is the root of all evil”. He doesn’t believe intellectual knowledege must be coupled with moral understanding for America to survive. Ron Paul is amen to all of that.

    People are not coming to grips with America’s problems. When companies go bankrupt it’s usually because that’s the case. They write a business plan that tells them how successful they’ll be and cling to it and ignore the realities that’s knocking at their door. Romney and Ryan fit that mold.

    We’d watch as Ron Paul won debate after debate and we’d watch as the media would say NO, not him. To make matters worse, the media has a ring in our noses and gave us candidates they approved of, not Ron Paul.

    In my opinion, it doesn’t matter which one wins. One’s handing us communism and the other fascism. Only Ron Paul was looking to rebuild the peoples wall against tyranny, the Constitution. It’s a loose, loose game for the American people unless they wake up and now. If Romney’s so good, why did he loose against McCain?

    • Jim

      You are actually confusing a number of governments, Federalists are/were going to be our countries first form of government, but FAILED due to lack of enough government, we were at the time 13 separate states and federalists pretty much wanted to keep it that way.
      It failed.. there was no cohesion, so our founding fathers went on, and created an almost perfect document, the Constitution, and gave us a government that was a Republic.
      Note: Anarchism is the total lack of government, federalist is close, then a TRUE Republic would fall next on a straight line, right to left. These are in order the least to most government in a linear line synopsis, but all support and represent a small to no federal government.
      Then there is Socialism, Communism, and Fascism, all of which represent total control of the people by a central or “Federal” government, these fall to the extreme left on a linear synopsis.
      Currently the Democratic Party is leaning HEAVILY towards the Socialist/Communist direction (note: JFK fell probably to the right of center).
      The Republican Party leans to the middle, even Left of center. (while many dream of a middle right stance)
      The Libertarians fall to middle right of center.
      Back to one point given in this Article, talking about the wrong Paul being chosen..
      Our founding fathers new we needed to be protected and made one of the MAIN parts of the Constitution the defense of our country..
      Back when the Constitution was written, it took months to get armies front continent to continent, and many times you would have enough notice to get ready for the attack..
      The world is a much different place today, and personally I believe a LOT of people think that a defensive mode of military is not sufficient in today’s world, that we do need to act globally to defend our economic interests, as well as defend those that cannot defend themselves, or our allies.
      Our federal spending is out of hand due to Entitlement Spending, I see people talking about our military spending, but it is a drop in the bucket..
      IMHO..
      My_2_Cents… :-)
      Have a Nice Day !!

      • Pathfinder

        Jim: well written post. However, “entitlement spending” is a mere drop in the bucket compared to the “Interest On The Debt. (IOTD) That figure is so large many think it can not ever be paid off, and thus constant “raising the debt ceiling” and No Congressional Budget under the Obama admin who was to change all that.

        On entitlements;
        Expansion of the government “unearned” hand out program has doubled in only 3 /12 years the under the Obama Admin. Now 35% of Americans receive “unearned” government assistance; thus the new “dependent class”.
        Less than 15% of Americans receive SS and Medicare BENEFITS (benefits is correct because they paid into and “earned” benefits) .
        The total figure of 47% of “americans on handouts” is combination of handouts and benefits. the distinction is important.

        The IOTD along with the exponentially rising “unearned governments handouts” are indeed the largest economic hurdles that America may not overcome.

        As we agree defensive spending is a necessity. But spending “Blood and Treasure over seas zaps our precious resources for a real emergency and or response to terrorists.

        America needs strict fiscal responsibly and accountability. There is no single individual that can make this happen. Voters must realize what is at stake and the corrupt press plus lying, pandering politicians must be done away with. Given that our educational system has dumbed down the populace and that to few American pay any serious attention to current events and history, America may be following the Roman Empire to the ash heap of history

        .

        • Jim

          I agree on a lot of that, if we had NO DEBT, and NO INTEREST, we could be doing SO MUCH, and we would be having no argument..
          My only comment on the troops overseas, 2 things..
          #1. Look at the hit our economy took after 9-11, it has exceeded the amount we have spent to fight this war so far, and if it stopped another 9-11 from happening, or does stop another one from happening, not only counting loss of lives, but in terms of our economic loss, it may be worth it.. (I don’t have the exact numbers, but I did do the math once..)

          #2 How effective do you think the police would be if they all sat in the police station eating donuts until somebody called?
          I believe just our presence around the world helps keep stupidity to the most part in check.. and without a strong defense and presence, to me it’s like sitting in a house in the middle of block while the res of your block is being attacked, and then assuming that when they get to you, you will be okay somehow..
          Under that assumption, the rest of the world, as well as the US would probably be speaking German now… ;-)
          As Ted Nugent says..I would rather they fighting over there, than here..
          JMHO
          My_2_Cents… ;-)

      • Pathfinder

        Jim first off I did not think were arguing. I found you post interesting and clarified “government speak” on entitlements. My comments on the military are well founded and I am not by any stretch an isolationist as you will see. Our military is now stretched very thin with service personnel being offered huge bonuses for re-enlisting and thus many repetitive tours of duty, then wash outs, then the current lack of employment opportunity and elevated rates of suicide among service people are all indicators.
        My comment was to simply use the military wisely as history cautions .(i.e. past exploits of Great Briton, France, the Dutch; and certainly Hitlers multi-front war are all evidence enough to wisely deploy forces. In WWI & WWII the US prevailed because it came to the war “fresh”, wile the early combatants were virtually bled dry. America had tremendous industrial capacity, was protected by two oceans and became the only remaining post cold war super power.That is now diluted and may be a cause for reassessing our military posture. Further, given current threats and issues, maybe reinstating the draft with some kind of compulsory service for all, might yield a ‘new breed of American” with a more vested interest and knowledge of government. That could sure as heck clear out a bunch of the “private contractors” now engaged by the military. Thank you for your previous commentary, it is appreciated.

        • Jim

          Sorry, didn’t mean to imply you and I were arguing.. :D
          If our budgets were balanced, and we had no deficit/debt, nobody would be arguing about it like people are, Andrew Jackson (a Democrat no less) was the president with the smallest debt, almost paid it off one year.. got it down to $22k.. when we first became a country it was fairly large for that time..
          The Interest alone will be eating through our budget in no time shortly..
          Debt eats any/everybody, it will be what kills this great nation of ours unfortunately..
          I will debate the idea of conquering nations either, I don’t think that is an idea we should follow, that is what killed most of those other nations, feeding those huge war machines, but they were just defending themselves, they where grabbing land, and I don’t think we should be in the same boat..

    • Meteorlady

      THANKS…. Ron Paul has been the only true statesmen in the House. I love him to death. He has never had a scandal, he has never voted for a tax increased, does not participate in the the government health care or retirement plans and has published his tax returns and his investment portfolio. He’s honest and because of all this the media has been told hands off – keep away and if per chance they do give him publicity, they try and make him out as radical, nuts or just a fringe lunatic. SAD – we Americans want honest and integrity in our government, but we don’t stand up and claim it when we have the chance.

  • Maybeperfect

    The MSM inspired canard thet voting for Ron Paul somehow gives the election to Obama is ridiculous on the face of it.

    The reason I say this is that O’romney has already given the election to Obama, the citizens just don’t know it yet.

    Only after the lemmings are committed to Oromney’s candidacy, as codified at the forthcoming convention in Tampa, will the Democratic wing of the new world order unleash all the dirt they’ve been sandbagging on O’romney, and believe you me, their salvos are fully loaded and there are reloads aplenty.

    The working man is already looking askance at O’romney’s role in shipping their jobs overseas, and the offshore tax dodges, as ample evidence of his obliviousness of the challenges to be faced by the man in the street every day.

    Once he’s nominated the video of him feloniously passing out subs will be ballyhooed, as well as the suspected Tax amnesty he probably got involving those offshore accounts, which would have required as a condition the guilty plea to a federal felony.This might explain his failure to disclose recent tax returns which would indicate this state of affairs. This would also explain his soft-balling of the opposition, who now control the Justice Department files.

    Of course we can’t forget to mention the little items of !. his founding of Bain Capital using Sandanista death squad leaders’ money, and 2. the facts behind him and his son being the principle partners of the recently sentenced to 110 years Stansbury, with regard to the $ 7.2 billion (with a “b”) ponzi scheme they were running.

    So, let me see, have I forgotten anything? Doubtless, but there are sure to be a plethora of other criminalities exposed in the ensuing months that are likely to be equally analogous to a point blank wooden ship broadside, undoubtedly sending the O’romney candidacy to the bottom, with no survivors, but hey, that’s what you get for hitching your wagon to a criminal.

    So now you can see why blaming the blamless Ron Paul supporters for the inevitable descent into infamy our government is hell bent on is the sheerest of lunacy.

    I suspect that large numbers of Delegates to the convention are fully aware of the chances their appointed candidate stands and are clearing the gunnels, to continue the maritime analogy, and I would not in the least be suprised to see many of those opting to change their mind in order to vote their consciences for Ron Paul, who they know is America’s last chance of survival, since O’romney will be mercilessly chewed up by the revelation of his perpetual perfidy.

    • chuckb

      if people don’t get upset over all the affiliations barry soetoro has and still does with the communist party, tax cheats, criminals, muslim brotherhood, his lies about the economy, his un-constitutiuonal exec. orders, his defiance of the federal courts, his constant refusal to release any information on his background. his failure in foreign policy, an unprecedented un-employment level, four years without balancing the budget, suing states for following their constitutional rights.

      sorry, your insinuations about romney pale when you compare. nice try though.

      • Mimi

        Thank you for that chuckb, I agree completely. When Obama came to this country he had to fill out documents. He had lived under the name of Barry Soetoro in Indonesia. The document asked if he’d ever gone by any other name than Barack Obama. He wrote in NONE. That was perjury. In our Constitution it says, in order to be eligible for the presidency, both parents must be native born Americans. Obama’s father was born in Kenya. I have heard he has spent millions of dollars to keep his records sealed. This is probably the biggest cover-up in our history. The Democrats, the media, have all colluded to keep this from the public. If any of you do not believe this, do the research as I have done. The internet is an amazing encyclopedia of information. Use it.
        And for you liberals, and Libertarians, et. al, keep on tilting at windmills if it makes you happy, but it would be fantastic if you could step out of your box, and see the bigger picture. What will happen to this country with another four years of Obama?

        • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

          But, we DO see the bigger picture. Why else do you think we’re not voting for the Progressives anymore?

          If we weren’t seeing the bigger picture, we’d just be happily pulling the Republican party-line handle like the rest of you.

          The bigger picture isn’t about replacing Obama with Romney, never was… it is about replacing Progressives with Anyone But A Progressive.

          Romney is a Progressive.

          Get the picture?

          – Smoov

  • http://www.facebook.com/dan.mancuso.56 Dan Mancuso

    I’ve read Ron Paul’s book “Revolution; a manifesto” and it was a breath of fresh air and sane insights. I mostly agree with Libertarianism. There is one issue I have a problem with though. Homosexual marriage. I fully agree, what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their homes is not mine or the governments business, what harm are they doing to me? But the problem is one of practice not theory.
    In reality, homosexuals began by asking for a bit of tolerance, approval of the normal majority – heterosexuals. As much as I feel homosexuality is wrong – I also believe in one’s right to choose. I believe this to be tolerant. But look where this initial plea for a bit of tolerance has gone. We, the normal people, are having our right to choose taken away from us. We are being vilified and persecuted for standing up for our moral beliefs. These homosexuals who asked for tolerance have become the most intolerant and millitant promoters of their degenerate and deviant behavior and life style. All of a sudden their homosexuality has become harmful to me – and my society, Christian beliefs and system of law and government. This is wrong.
    So Mr. Meyers, does accepting this atrocity of persecution of Christians and other morally correct people by these millitant and degenerate homosexuals and their supporters still make you a true Libertarian?

    • Laith

      Marriage is a state matter, even Dick Chenney says that. The Federal government recognizes any marriage license issued by any state this is like inter racial marriage 50 years ago, it was legal in some states and the Federal government accepted that.For tax and immigration purposes, the government recognizes only one spouse, end of story

    • Dave67

      Moral? Dan… Hmmm homosexuality occurs in many other species… instead of cherry picking the bible and making the assumption that homosexuality is wrong or immoral, how about homosexuality just “is”.

      You cannot be a libertarian if you do not allow two people of age to engage in the legal contract of marriage. Plus its UnAmerican to boot.

      Dan, is the Gov or other homosexuals forcing you to marry someone of the same sex? Just curious.

      • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

        Dave67, putting the bible aside for the moment, homosexuality can not occur in other species other than the primate species which includes humans. The fact that homosexuality is found in less than five percent of the human population should tell you something: it’s deviant and anti-species. It is natural to hate this behavior and it should be hated. It needs to be controlled. Two people can engage in anything they want as long as they keep it to themselves. It’s when they go public with their deviant behavior that they need to be dealt with.

        Other species do engage in same sex practices but it is deviant in their species as well.

        Now for the bible and YHWH. Homosexuality is an abomination and should be taught that way. This horrible stench of a practice should be preached against and anybody caught practicing it should be put to shame.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      I’m “coming out” as a homophobe and I urge more people to join me. I am defining “homophobe” as someone who is afraid of homosexual predators, hence the suffix “phobia” from the Greek “Phobos” or fear.

      Gay activists use this term to bludgeon their opponents. Let’s embrace it instead.

      I had always accepted the mass media’s portrayal of gays as a colorful minority like the Croatians, who have a special “sexual orientation.” They meet each other at their bars and do their thing. As long as they kept it within their own community, what did I care?

      But they don’t. To my surprise I recently learned that most gays prefer heterosexual males. My source is a book, The Caricature of Love, (1957), by Dr. Hervey Checkley, a clinical professor of psychiatry at the Medical College of Georgia.

      I also learned that many gays prefer youths, and these experiences often turn victimized children into homosexuals and distort their lives. A survey of readers of the gay magazine The Advocate indicated that 21% of respondents were sexually abused by an adult by age 15. This seems to be one way that homosexuals “propagate.”

      According to a research paper by psychologist Dr. Judith Reisman entitled Crafting “Gay” Children: An Inquiry, between 1-2 million gay males (2% of the adult male population of 90 million) abuse 6-8 million boys. The ratio is 3-5 boy victims to one gay male compared to one girl victim per eleven straight males.

      This is based on data on 33 million boys and 32 million girls under the age of 18. Reisman says that since 100% of gay males do not sexually assault boys, the 2% homosexual population harbors a vast pederast subculture committing multiple repeated child sex offenses. (p.8)

      Nevertheless lesbian feminist and gay activists, by their own admission, are dedicated to recasting society in their own image. They want replace heterosexual norms with homosexual ones.

      Since 1970, gay-feminist activists have waged a campaign to foster homosexuality among heterosexuals. They are candid about this goal. “The end goal of the feminist revolution is the elimination of the sex distinction itself,” says Shulamith Firestone (The Dialectic of Sex, 1972, p.11)

      “Heterosexual hegemony is being eroded,” says Gary kinsman. “The forms of sexuality considered natural have been socially created and can be socially transformed.” (The Regulation of Desire: Sexuality in Canada, 1987, p.219) “In a free society, everyone will be gay,” says Allen Young, a pioneer of the Gay Liberation Movement. (John D’Emilio, Intimate Matters: A History of Sexuality in America, p.322)

      Unlike us, gays understand that their campaign for “equal rights” will erase the distinction between gay and straight. In the words of gay historian Jonathan Katz.

      “In one sense the right is right…to accuse the gay and lesbian rights movement of threatening homogenization….if gay and lesbian liberationists ever achieve full equality, they will do away with the social need for the hetero/homo division. The secret of the most moderate, mainstream gay and lesbian civil rights movement is its radically transformative promise (or threat, depending on your values). The Invention of Heterosexuality, 1995, p.188. See also “American Communism and the Making of Women’s Liberation.”)

      HOMOSEXUALITY IS SUGAR COATED

      The Illuminati media suppresses most negative information about gay life.

      In her monograph, Reisman refers to the suppression of data on gay violence against children, child pornography, sex rings, serial murders, and inter-gay domestic battery.

      Another example of media complicity is the Boy Scouts’ ban on gay scoutmasters. There was no mention that about 100 cases of sexual molestation by Boy Scout leaders occurred every year.

      According to the Washington Times, (June 15,1993) between 1973 and 1993, 1,416 scout leaders were expelled for sexually abusing boys.

      The Boys Scouts’ action belatedly recognized their obligation to protect their wards. Is there any question they are liable?

      Yet amazingly the Scouts have come under scathing attack for “discriminating” against gays. The pederast magazine “Palaver” advises pedophiles to take positions like Boy Scout leader: “If you want to spend your time with children you must have a legitimate reason for doing so; as a teacher helping children learn… as a play or youth leader helping children to enjoy their leisure time” (Crafting Gay Children: An Inquiry, p.19).

      In 1992, the North American Man/Boy Love Association specifically targeted the Boy Scouts. They passed a resolution calling on the Boy Scouts “to cease in its discrimination against openly gay or lesbian persons in its appointment of scoutmasters” in order to “permit scouts to be exposed to a variety of lifestyles.” (See “The Nazis in America” in “The Pink Swastika” by Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams).

      In their literature, gays portray adult advisers as playing a hands-on role in initiating the young to homosexuality.

      According to “The Pink Swastika”, the moral courage exhibited by the Boys Scouts of America is not shared by all youth organizations. The Girl Scouts allows lesbian leaders in its organizations and has expelled at least one heterosexual leader who refused to keep this policy a secret from parents.

      “Big Brothers” and “Big Sisters” actively recruit homosexuals in many cities and lobbied the Boys Scouts to do the same saying “non traditional volunteers can serve the best interest of children.”

      And of course, all of this mirrors the push into public schools where youth are prematurely introduced to sex education and introduced to homosexuality as a healthy “lifestyle” option.

      “Gay rights” activists have targeted the Boy Scouts. An ostensibly “spontaneous” outcry against the Boy Scouts has arisen across the country, led by the United Way Agency, which pulled its funding of BSA in many cities.

      Homosexuals at the highest rank of the US government attempted to intimidate the organization. Surgeon General Jocelyn Elders used her post to castigate Scout officials (USA Today June 2, 1994) and Interior secretary Bruce Babbitt signed an order prohibiting Boy Scouts from volunteering in national parks (Washington Times, May 28,1993).

      As of June 2001, at least 359 school districts in 10 states have forbade the Boys Scouts from using their facilities, according to a gay organization quoted in the Washington Times, Nov. 1, 2001. Congress has just tabled legislation to deny funding to these school districts.

      Homosexuals, both feminists and gays, have gained incredible power by successfully disguising their true character and their true agenda. This is how subversive movements such as Nazis and Communists function.

      Under the guise of being a persecuted minority seeking human rights, homosexual activists are actually using the state to persecute heterosexuals. They are waging successful war against heterosexuality — masculinity, femininity, marriage and the nuclear family, the sources of our identity, love and meaning.

      Their goal is to supplant heterosexual values with their own. Society is in a state of denial about this vicious subversion, which takes practical form in the actual seduction of heterosexual youth.

      The Illuminati is a satanic cult. They are gradually inducting humanity into their cult.
      Destroying our heterosexual identity is the first step to re-engineering mankind.

      http://www.henrymakow.com/021101.html

  • http://igatherum.wordpress.com shermangerherd

    It is a moot point—VP is a token. R’ney is nothing. We are down to vote for the lesser of two evils, vote against zero, or vote for someone who stands no chance.
    Even so, Come Lord Jesus!

  • CBUETT

    Truthical did you actually read my post. Man people need to read and actually comprehend what they are reading. I wrote a whole post about how big government is bad, and war mongering is bad, and how running insane budget deficits are bad and I was still labeled a Obama shill. “what the hell!” Romneys a big government hack people, just like Obama.

  • Lawrence

    Two exceptions to your definition of a true libertarian: We need a strong military, mbut we need to bring all our men and women home from foreighn countries except for some to defend embassies. Yes, live and let liv but we must be aware there are evil people in the world. We need to be armed in order to defend ourselves.

  • CBUETT

    Lawrence I dont think Libertarians want to weaken the Military per say they just dont want American foreign policy going around the world pooking bears with sharp sticks. Because eventually they wake up and want to retaliate.

  • http://personallibertydigest deb

    I just thought of something totally off the wall. The Bible codes say things and have more than one date crossing over and matrixes. Suppose GOD had choices of Paul’s and America chose the wrong Paul–Rand, Ryan, Ron. If we could just get all the Christians to agree to vote for Ron Paul, and even he is blemished, no one is perfect except JESUS.

    Look up your redemption draws nigh

  • DaveH

    Here is an example of why we’re in the mess we’re in. Even the “economists” can’t get it straight:
    http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/everything-moving-north-housing-market-moody-mark-zandi-172659659.html
    From the article — “Five years after the U.S. housing market collapsed, wiping out nearly $7 trillion in wealth, a recovery appears to be taking root”.
    Wealth is not in fiat money. Wealth is the things that money can buy, houses for instance. The Wealth is still there. It has not been “wiped out”. It has just lowered in price to a more realistic valuation in terms of paper dollars.
    The Federal Reserve can print paper money ad infinitum and the amount of wealth will not increase unless people produce more of that wealth with their mental and physical labors. If printing money made good economies, the Zimbabweans would be very wealthy people.

  • s c

    BFD, comrades. Obummer isn’t a fricking ‘Democrat.’

  • Meteorlady

    So I have talked to some of my friends of color. They are not voting for Obama, but they believe that most minorities are just as fed up as we are so voter turnout will be small. I hope that is so…. I’m so disappointed that we don’t have free elections. With the two party system we just have more corruption, dirt and lies. If Obama does win again, my husband and I plan out moving out of the country. There will be nothing left. If Romney wins things won’t change all the much either but the downhill spiral will at least abate somewhat.

    I’m sorry, but it will take a revolution to get the federal government out of our lives and the entitlement people lined up at the trough out of our pockets.

    • Dave67

      Meteorlady,

      So much of your rant is directed at Obama… I am curious, were you this up in arms in 2000 when the law was past essentially allowing an investment bank and a savings bank to be the same thing? Or how about in 2004 when the SEC said that investment houses can make bets on wall street 30 times the value of the capital on hand? Were you upset? Those to occurences played a huge hand in the collapse of 2007. Obama was not president yet.
      I also here these sountern state GOP govenors echo the same sentiment as you… Get the Fed Gov out of our lives!!! They are proud to tell you that…Then a hurricane hits their state… Ask Bobby Jindal of LA or Haley Barbour of MS about that one… They are poor states who can’t muster the resources to handle a disaster like a hurricane, then they beg to have the fed bail their butts out.
      Its have very little to do with the Fed Gov as an entity that is our problem… Its is the greed and corruption that corp interests bring to the Gov that is the real issue. Now we can eliminate lobbying if you and the likes of DaveH are willing to get rid of the 1st Amendment.

      Your post is not too well thought out.

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        We’ve all talked about the Constitution and this country being founded on it. There has been perpetrated upon us a most heinous crime against humanity: And it goes so far back that you can’t blame any one of the administrations’ because they are not a government. They are the UNITED STATES CORPORATION.

        The US Government Incorporated is named as a for-profit commercial enterprise in the Legislative Act of February 21st of 1871, 41st Congress Session 3, Chapter 62, Page 419 entered: A Federal Company entitled United States i. e. UNITED STATES aka U.S. INCORPORATED, a commercial agency originally designated as Washington D.C.

        In accordance with the so-called Fourteenth Amendment, which the records indicate was never ratified. The UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT is a foreign corporation with respect to the State. Nineteen Corpus Jurius Circundrum (?) 541 Location of the UNITED STATES: The UNITED STATES is located in the District of Columbia.

        Secretary of the Treasury of Puerto Rico was appointed ‘Receiver of the Bankrupt United States in the ‘Reorganization Plan number 26 in 1950.

        Title 5, UNITED STATES CODE Section 903, Public Law 94-564. The Secretary of the Treasury of Puerto Rico, Title 27 Code of Federal Regulations, Section 251.11; The Title Secretary of the Treasury is a euphemistic abbreviation of the actual title Secretary of the Treasury of Puerto Rico.

        The Internal Revenue Service was incorporated in the State of Delaware [and] is not a part of the supposed US Government. (this is probably what got Russo killed) which is but a defacto, for-profit corporation masquerading as a government – that operates out of Puerto Rico, this is the IRS, it’s NOT registered to do business in any state. It’s the bookkeeping and debt-collection arm of the Secretary of the Treasury of Puerto Rico. They (The IRS) collect for the International Monetary Fund (IMF).

        Everybody who gets up into the administration, congress, the legislation; all the way down to the local level are corporations, private companies. We are their chattel. We are their inventory. They make money off of us and you don’t even know how deep it goes. ~ When I found this out it was the only time that I felt hatred for the evil slime who did this to us.

        In 1871 when the United States became Incorporated (USI) they attached our birth certificates to a quitsit (?) number on the stock exchange which equals slave trade and it’s done every time a baby is born.

        There is a bond-trust account set up and they trade us on the stock market and this is all documented and I know it’s all shocking. Some of you are hearing this for the very first time and you’re thinking “oh my gosh – how could they possibly!” They go so far as to trick us— have you ever been to court and the judge says “Do you understand?” Don’t EVER say you do! Say “No Your Honor I do not understand.”

        That simple little word doesn’t mean what you think it does. You have just given him permission if you say “Yes I do understand” that you’re going to “Stand Under” whatever he wants to lay on top of you.

        The courts are Admiralty Courts. The judges, the attorney’s all belong to the Bar Association. It’s still a little bit vague as to what “BAR” stands for, but we do know the first word is still British. Some people say ‘accredited’ some say ‘attorney’ and ‘registry.’

        They do NOT work for us we the people. We the People are working for them. We don’t need a gold-standard – we are the value to the Federal Reserve note. We can give value to our United States Currency.

        The Constitution that they’re teaching today, as wonderful as it is to learn about a big portion of it—it’s not the correct Constitution. It’s actually a second Constitution and that’s the one that they wrote when they incorporated.

        In 1933 the Emergency Banking Act: We’ve got the War Powers Act, Trading with the Enemies Act and every year the UNITED STATES CORPORATION masquerading as our supposed government, which is no more than elected officials like a CEO, and the Stockholders board for AT&T or Microsoft: So you’re not voting for legislation, you’re not voting for a representative because each and every one of them are under a UNITED STATES CORPORATION. There are 37,000 subsidiaries of that corporation.

        Every Agency when you look it up on Dunn & Bradstreet is listed as a corporation. It is a for-profit, PRIVATE-company and we are their inventory! I feel bad knowing that I’ve been enslaved all this time; and I’m sorry for all the people during the civil rights—all the wonderful ____ that were already in slavery and they thought they were freed.

        We’ve all been in this boat together and people need to really wake up and really begin to hold these corporate officials feet-to-the-fire and insist that the corporation must be dissolved and the Federal Reserve must be BANNED from this country and we must turn our system of “judiciary” back to a common-law. If there’s “no-harm, no-loss” then there’s no CRIME: And everything else is a way to get you to PAY!

        Even the court-systems are hooked up to the quitsit (?) system. When you get a case number on a court document and you’re being “charged” with something why do you think they call it “a Bill” or being CHARGED—because that’s exactly what’s happening!

        They set that court number up and it’s attached to the Stock Exchange too! And from the moment you’re arrested or charged, they start trading you on the stock market—just like they did with the Derivatives or the Default Swaps on the mortgages—that’s a whole other thing and we all know that’s coming out in the mainstream media.

        The Federal Reserve is meeting on November__, the same day as the elections. All I can say is wait for “the sky to fall” cause they know their House of Cards is tumbling in on top of them.

        It’s been an illusion, an illusion, an illusion…”

        http://www.kirwanesque.net/2012/4301/labyrinth/

      • DaveH

        Dave67 says — “I am curious, were you this up in arms in 2000 when the law was past essentially allowing an investment bank and a savings bank to be the same thing?”.
        Please explain to us dunces, Dave67, why that is a problem?
        The Glass-Steagall Act was simply politics as usual with 2 rival Rich groups (the Morgans and the Rockefellers) duking it out, in this case to hobble the Morgan empire.
        From “A History of Money and Banking in the United States”:
        “In particular, the Roosevelt administration managed to pass the Banking Act (Glass-Steagall Act) of 1933 and the Securities Act of 1933. In a thorough and illuminating analysis of the Pecora
        hearings, Professor George Benston has demonstrated both the legitimacy and the economic soundness of the maligned practices of the investment bankers, as well as their complete irrelevance to the major anti-Morgan thrust of the Banking Act of 1933: the compulsory separation of investment and commercial banking. Benston shows that the charges were generally trumped-up, and the vaunted Pecora “findings” were usually only ad hoc speculation by individual senators.”
        http://mises.org/Books/historyofmoney.pdf

      • DaveH

        Dave67 says — “Those to occurences played a huge hand in the collapse of 2007″.
        Those “to occurences” had nothing to do with the collapse. It occurred because the Federal Reserve was creating excess money, and the Government was coercing banks to lend to unsound borrowers. There are plenty of articles out there that explain that well, but then, expecting a Progressive to embrace knowledge is, well, expecting an awful lot.
        For those who want to break FREE of Progressive Propaganda:
        http://mises.org/daily/3165

      • Dave67

        DaveH,

        You may call me a troll all you wish, I don’t go around being a pimp for mises.org and their theory.

        Allowing Investment banks and savings banks to merger allowed these banks to make bad bets with your money. The SEC allowing these people to make bets with 30X there on hand capital so when those bets go south, they don’t have the money to cover. That is what happened to Lehman Brothers and they went down and started the crash.

        DaveH, your theories has so little to do with reality. Its sad, you complain about name calling, slight of hand debate tactics… (all of which you do) and then you just send a link to mises.org that is a general theory about a wide range of things and you expect me to go (oh, mises.org is so right like a parrot). Sorry, your free market BS is just that… BS… there is no such thing as the free market in the global economy and if it did, you have yet to show how mergers could not happen in any industry to create a final monopoly.

        But go ahead DaveH and pretend like you have an original thought in your head. Youi don’t. If Mises.org closed down, who would be there to give you your opinion?

  • Dave67

    Hey, on a slightly different subject but do you remember the Tea Party? You know the ones who swore to protect the United States Constitution and to reduce corruption, give us more “freedom”?

    Of course you do…

    Well buried in the story about the GOP buffoon going for a drunken swim in Israel is proof that these “tea party” morons in the GOP are no different than regular GOP. These people were all GOP freshmen like Ben Quayle… Tea party favorites…they came to Israel on the dime of a special interest lobbyist for Israel to the tune of over 20K so these jerks can have a vacation (oh, I am sorry.. its a fact finding mission)

    So lets review… the holy than thou tea party phonies are no different that any other GOP.

    Liars and cheats all…

    There is your Tea Party Patriots playing the special interest cash game.

    • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

      Everything has been co-opted and corrupted, Dave67. Should the tea-party be somehow impervious? Rather than state the obvious, you should be addressing the corrupting influence that has destroyed our political, economic and social systems!

      • DaveH

        He would if he wasn’t an Internet Troll.

      • Dave67

        Jay, I knew the Tea Party were a bunch of Koch Brother/Dick Armey concocted liars from the start. The conservative corporatists bought there BS hook, line and sinker.

      • Dave67

        DaveH,

        Sticks and Stones mises.org boy….

  • http://www.facebook.com/george.somsel George Somsel

    Had Romney chosen Ron Paul rather than Paul Ryan, I would be sorely tempted to stay home. Ron Paul is totally ignorant when it comes to foreign policy. His ideas in that area would be a certain prescription for global disaster. His isolationism has ever been a prescription for disaster. We can say “Peace in our time”, but the result would be the same as in 1939.

    • DaveH

      Speaking of Ignorance, George, Ron Paul isn’t an “isolationist”, he is a non-interventionist. He believes in trading peacefully with other nations instead of at the point of a gun:
      http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2012/01/29/i-like-george-washington-except-on-foreign-policy/

      You would be the first to throw a fit, George, if any other country did to us what the United States does to them on a regular basis. How do Aggressors like yourself look in the mirror?

  • monila

    I would take a 2nd term of Obama/Biden 100 times more than a 1 term of Roomney/Ryan [Satan and the Beast]; These people does not care about nobody but themselves. They are LiAAAARS; Flipfloppers; Twisters [Twisting one line sentences to their own benefit]. You can’t believe nothing that comes out their mouths. They are going to take from you fools…. to give to Big businesses and the Rich….

    • Belinda

      Yes, you have just shown your true colors. We all see you for the democrat that you are.

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    THIS ARTICLE CONFUSES ME IN REFERENCE TO WHAT Bob Livingston AND HIS Personal Liberty SITE “STANDS FOR.”

    A FEW DAYS AGO, Wayne Allyn Root “ADVISES” U. S. Representative Paul Ryan TO BE THE KENYAN’S “SHADOW.” NOW, John Myers SAYS Rep. Ryan IS NOT LIBERTARIAN. WHAT DO “YOU PEOPLE” WANT?

    Personal Liberty HAS ARTICLES ON A VARIETY OF TOPICS – GUN LEGISLATION, TAXES, CULTURE, ETC. THERE ARE Personal Libertarians WHO HAVE STATED THEY SERVED IN THE MILITARY. OBVIOUSLY, MOST PEOPLE ON THIS SITE CARES ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

    THEREFORE, I R-E-F-U-S-E TO BELIEVE Personal Libertarians [WHO CARE SO MUCH ABOUT THIS COUNTRY] DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE “TIMING IS OFF” FOR PEOPLE LIKE, U. S. Representative Ron Paul. SINCE MANY [?] Personal Libertarians ARE RETIREES WITH “SET” LIVES, IT SEEMS YOU ENJOY CRITICIZING ALL SIDES AND WILL DO “WHO KNOWS WHAT” IN NOVEMBER.

    IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING WEBSITES LIKE, Personal Liberty, ARE DESIGNED TO “STIR-UP THE GRASSROOTS” INTO ACTION FOR REFLECTING THEIR CAUSE. THUS, A PERSON WHO KNOWS HE/SHE WILL NOT VOTE FOR THE KENYAN CAN NOT UTILIZE INFORMATION FROM, Personal Liberty, TO HELP IN DECIDING WHAT TO DO IN NOVEMBER.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      CHRISTOPHER, it’s my belief that Bob doesn’t tell his authors what to write. I don’t get the impression that this is a cookie cutter operation. I believe that all of us are entitled and allowed to believe what we want. You will definitely run into opposition, but that’s what makes it interesting. I can explain to you why I support voting for Ron Paul but I can only speak for myself. I believe that voting for the “lesser of two evils” is still evil. I believe that the whole left/right thing or the whole democrat vs republican thing is all a bunch of crap! If you LOOK at what they DO instead of what they SAY, they are all the same! Republicans SAY that they are conservatives but they are NOT!!! Democrats SAY that bush was terrible to go into Iraq and to pass the patriot act and yet, they are STILL in Iraq and voted for the new extended patriot act! They ALL say one thing and do another! Everything they’ve been doing in recent history has been taking away OUR rights! They are dismantling the constitution that they swore an oath to! I do NOT believe that ANY of them represent US!!! It would actually seem that they consider us to be the enemy! Their actions would certainly indicate that! And lastly I take my responsibility to vote VERY seriously! I believe that if one has ANY integrity at all, one MUST vote for the person that they believe is best for the job. In this election cycle the only choice that I’ve been given is Ron Paul. I recognize that after the convention they will try to take that choice from me but I believe that it is my duty and responsibility to vote FOR someone rather than vote for someone I abhor, just to prevent someone else from winning! I recognize that my vote will be meaningless in the grand scheme of things but I will not have thrown away my morals, values and integrity! If EVERYONE did the same, my vote would no longer be meaningless. Alas, most people are cowards and feel that they MUST vote for the status quo! If either romney OR obumass are elected, nothing will change!!! We will only get MORE of the SAME!!! We’re running out of time to fix our dear country. I fear that after one more term with either romney OR obumass, what we will have will be unrecognizable as our United States of America!!!

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Nancy in Nebraska,”

        MA’AM, THANKS FOR YOUR REPLY. I ALWAYS LIKE YOUR COMMENTS.

        I HAVE A SIMPLISTIC VIEW OF DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS. DEMOCRATS WANT “DRASTIC” CHANGE, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. ON THE OTHER HAND, REPUBLICANS LIKE “TAKING IT SLOW,” WHICH PROVIDES TIME TO “FINE-TUNE” LITTLE MISTAKES AND “OVERSIGHTS.” THEREFORE, I VOTE THE ENTIRE REPUBLICAN TICKET.

        I DO NOT MIND VOTING FOR Rep. Paul; YET, I WOULD NOT KNOW WHY I WOULD BE VOTING FOR HIM. THE NATIONAL MEDIA IS ALL I HAVE; ALTHOUGH I LIKE THE ESTEEMED COMMENTS OF PEOPLE LIKE, “Nancy in Nebraska” AT Personal Liberty, Personal Libertarians ARE NOT EXPERTS ON POLITICAL MATTERS. THEREFORE, I “TURN” TO THE NATIONAL MEDIA. THE MEDIA IGNORES Rep. Paul. I ONLY SEE Rep. Paul ON C-SPAN.

      • DAK

        Good reasoning and I agree. There is very little, if any, difference between D and R other than it seems the R’s lie a little easier, a little smoother. They all want to dance yet none of the politicians currently in DC want to pay the band.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        CHRISTOPHER, I used to believe exactly as you do. I watched ABC news every single evening and believed everything they said. Then I started hearing about all these things that were NOT on the news! I thought, how can that be? This is BIG news and they didn’t even mention it! I would check other channels, nothing! After doing some research, I found that ALL of the news outlets were owned by six companies. They bought up all their competitors and now control WHAT you get to hear. These are all owned by liberals so that’s why you never hear anything good about conservatives. Here’s a link to an article that is easy to understand how and why this happened.
        http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/who-owns-the-media-the-6-monolithic-corporations-that-control-almost-everything-we-watch-hear-and-read
        So understand that the ONLY “news” you will get on the main stream media is that which “they” will allow you to hear. These liberal media conglomerates are beholden to the huge corporate bosses who dictate what “they” want you to hear. Gone are the days of investigative journalism. Now, every story you hear on the news, including video, have been on the Internet all day to be covered by ALL media outlets. They don’t investigate the news, they “buy” it from a news outlet, just like all the rest. So THAT is why you should not rely upon the TV news to be informed, you won’t be!
        I’m going to post this in sections because I had spent a long time typing and my I pad crashed and I had to start over. So end of part I.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        CHRISTOPHER,
        I used to have the same simplistic view of democrats and republicans that you have. I believed that republicans were conservative and democrats were liberal. I’ve been a life long republican as I hold traditional morals and values. I am a GOD fearing Christian even though I don’t understand the “fearing” part. I guess it’s just something they say. When I first started coming on this website, I heard Bob say that the democrats and the republicans were just a left/right paradigm. I have to admit that I didn’t really know what that meant. So I went on a search to find out. I do a lot of research. I’m not easily swayed. I’m very much a sceptic. In all of my Internet searches I follow links, which lead to other links, which lead to ….and so on. I keep going until I find a source that I trust or I decide that it was just a bunch of crap. I often will spend days or weeks on a subject depending on where it leads me. After researching and THINKING about what Bob said, I decided that it WAS true. There really is NO difference between the two parties. They always end up DOING the SAME thing. I think there USED to be a difference but that may have been my cognitive dissonance (being unable to accept the truth because it is so different from what you’ve always believed). Anyway, I digress. The candidates and representatives from BOTH parties say different things but they always DO the very things that they SAY they will not do. BOTH parties have gotten us into these wars and BOTH parties keep us in them. War is VERY profitable for the corporate cronies and bankers that got them elected. BOTH parties are taking away our constitutional rights. Look at the patriot act, it allows the government to search your home, car, business, anywhere, WITHOUT a WARRANT. It even allows them to do so when you’re not there and you will never know they were there. It allows the government to tap your phone, your cell phone, spy and record what you do on the computer and even electronically turn YOUR cell phone into a listening devise so that they can eavesdrop on you even in your own home, even when your phone is turned off. ALL WITHOUT A WARRANT!!! They have a million square foot computer facility to store all of the information that they’ve collected on US without a warrant! The national defense authorization act (ndaa) allows the government to detain you without a warrant, without showing cause and without ANY evidence against you. You are no longer guanteed a lawyer to represent you and they can whisk you away to any country in the world without any one knowing what happened to you! These are JUST TWO examples of the laws that OUR(?) representatives have passed in recent years. BOTH parties supported these laws!!! Does it sound like EITHER party is representing US?!? I don’t think so. I think that they represent someone else who wants only to control us and take away our freedoms! It would seem that BOTH parties consider US the enemy! You look at where we are today! BOTH parties got us here. BOTH parties have spent us into bankruptcy! I don’t believe that it was an accident either! In order for them to conquer and control us, they have to destroy everything that we are over time. We would never stand for an outright attack but if you don’t see it coming and it’s already happened, what can you do? I believe that our enemies have infiltrated our government and that it has been going on over a long period of time. I believe we are reaching the end game. We stop them now or we lose everything! To be continued…

        • SamFox

          The God fearing comment.

          In this case, fearing is a weak, maybe even an inaccurate translation of the original language. In King James day, they may knew what that,,meant, but time can change definitions as words are used differently over time.

          “Fear’ in the context of Godly fear means more like respect & reverence, not the kind of fear like the fed govt is bringing. :-) Or the fear of a car crash or dying. ‘Fear’ here also means to have an understanding of Who Elohim [God] is & respecting His great power & abilities. Also that He is the final judge of each of us.

          Here is a verse from the Amplified Bible from BibleGateway.com. From Hebrews 12:28

          28 Let us therefore, receiving a kingdom that is firm and stable and cannot be shaken, offer to God pleasing service and acceptable worship, with modesty and pious care and godly fear and awe;

          29 For our God [is indeed] a consuming fire

          “Fear”, what it means in the above verse,

          2124 eulabeia (yoo-lab’-i-ah);

          from 2126; properly, caution, i.e. (religiously) reverence (piety); by implication, dread (concretely):

          KJV– fear (-ed).

          SamFox

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Nancy in Nebraska,”

        MA’AM, I LOOKED AT YOUR LINK ABOUT THE CORPORATIONS WHICH OWN AND CONTROL MEDIA. I KNEW ABOUT THAT.

        I WILL PROBABLY WAIT UNTIL SOMETIME IN OCTOBER TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO – VOTE FOR Paul, VOTE FOR Romney OR STAY HOME. I DO NOT FEEL THE SAME EXCITEMENT I FELT THE OTHER TIMES I VOTED. OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS ARE DEMOCRATS – YET, THEY ARE NOT EXCITED. MAYBE, EVERYONE WITH THE NAME “Horton” WILL STAY HOME THIS YEAR.

        OH, I WISH SOMETHING WOULD GO WRONG WITH THE KENYAN TO GIVE THIS ELECTION SOME “PAZZAZZ.”

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        CHRISTOPHER, next I will explain why I will vote for Ron Paul. I have to admit that I don’t know everything about Ron Paul. He’s only come on my radar recently. But I DO know that Ron Paul is a constitutionalist. I took an online class on the constitution. It was offered by Hillsdale College. Before that I didn’t understand or care much about the constitution. I just assumed that it would protect my rights. I didn’t know that our politicians have been whittling away at the constitution for years. MUCH of what our government has been doing is UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!! First know this: our forefathers gave us a republic instead of a democracy so that the government and the majority could never take away our GOD given rights. It states that the government shall make NO law that infringes upon the rights of the INDIVUAL!!! You read that right! It is NOT to be majority rule. NO LAW THAT INFRINGES UPON THE INDIVIDUAL!!! THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT OUR GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN DOING FOR YEARS!!! The government has been deciding WHO YOU should give YOUR money to. You don’t want to pay for your lazy neighbor to sit around and sponge off the government, you have no choice! You don’t want your money to go to tyrants and dictators around the world, you have no choice! You don’t want to be told where and how to live? You have no choice! You don’t want to sell your property to the company that wants to build a gas station? You have no choice! YOU PAY for everything THEY WANT, whether you like it or not!!! They even took your money and just gave it to private corporations. Solyndra and GM are just two of the many! Did they ask you if you wanted to invest YOUR money in these corporations in which you will get NO return on your investment?!? NO, they did not!! They are slowly taking away ALL of our CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS!!!
        Ron Paul is a constitutionalist! He believes in going back to the constitution and restoring our rights! Do I think he could succeed, not in everything but I think he could start to turn the ship around. The media likes to portray him as a nut because he is a threat to the status quo. They say he’s for dismantling the military and won’t provide defense for our country. Ron Paul is actually very strong on defense, it’s the offense that he wants to end! Our country for years has been DICTATING to every other country in the world. We determine WHO will lead THEIR countries by throwing money and military support behind our candidate. We dictate that they MUST buy and sell their oil using dollars and if they don’t, we attack their countries ie Iraq and soon Iran. We are the world’s BULLY! We no longer believe in freedom for ourselves or any other country on earth! We are in a constant state of war, not to defend other countries but to force them to do our will. Ron Paul would end the practice of being the world’s bully! We are not safer for this bullying. It has actually put us in grave danger because the other countries are fed up with our control of them. Dr Paul recognizes the danger this has put us in. He advocates leaving them lone and letting them run their own countries. He would defend us from our enemies but not create new enemies by getting out of their countries. I’m gonna stop here in case my I pad crashe again…

        • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

          Dear Nancy in Nebraska,

          You write: “I took an online class on the constitution. It was offered by Hillsdale College. Before that I didn’t understand or care much about the constitution.” For further Constitutional enlightenment, I recommend this book: http://personalliberty.com/2012/06/07/the-founding-fathers-guide-to-the-constitution-by-brion-mcclanahan/

          Best wishes,
          Bob

        • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

          I swear, I have a hard time understanding many of you people…

          Those of you who clearly see what is going on with our Progressive Democrat/Republican parties, and continue to argue between voting for Romney or writing in Paul…

          Hell, I wanted Paul too, but I’m a Libertarian. Ron Paul would have been the only reason I would have voted for a Republican this time around.

          But… the Dem/Rep programming and conditioning is so deep, even knowing just how corrupt both of the Progressive parties are, so many of you still can’t bring yourself to vote outside of the party you’ve been a part of for so long.

          What is wrong with Johnson, seriously? The propaganda always tells us we have a choice between 2 people, in EVERY election… yet, EVERY time we go to the poll, we see 5 or 6 choices, sometimes even more.

          If we’re supposed to be doing our research, why do we limit our research and choices, still, to the Progressive parties?

          If Paul isn’t going to be listed on the ticket, I won’t be voting for him, I’ll be voting for Johnson. He won his party’s nomination, and yer not going to stick it to the Republicans, and make them take notice, if you’re still voting Republican no matter what.

          Wanna scare em? Show them that the Libertarians are growing, and looking to knock them out of the game.

          We have more choices available to us, than the propaganda want us to believe.

          – Smoov

          • Belinda

            Propaganda is a message told to people as a half-truth to sway them in a certain direction. Everyone knows that we have more than two choices, so there is no propaganda. However; the likelihood of electing those other persons is slim to none unless the majority of American citizens are swayed to vote in another direction. The majority of Americans have not been swayed by propaganda or any disclosed truths to vote for any other than the two candidates. So unless something major happens between now and November to change that fact, the elected official will be one of the two candidates
            The propaganda tactic is being using daily by the Obama team in order for him to win the election. The wise person will be able to determine what is truth and what is fiction.

          • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

            Of course they’ve been swayed by propaganda…

            The propaganda that Ron Paul couldn’t win, that has been drummed into us for months and months now, when the reality was, according to the GOP’s rules, Ron Paul had an excellent chance of securing the nomination. If only the GOP was actually honorable like they portray themselves to be, and left the system alone to work the way it was supposed to work.

            The propaganda, that unless you vote for a Dem or a Rep, you’re wasting your vote, that you have to vote for one of the major parties or your vote doesn’t count, when it in fact, DOES count, and they aren’t entitled to your votes. Whether the person you vote for has a chance of winning or not, according to their propaganda, isn’t relevant to your vote being wasted.

            The propaganda that the GOP is about small government, and that the Dems are the party for the little guy, when both are demonstrably false.

            Don’t give me that BS about it not being propaganda, it most certainly is propaganda.

            – Smoov

        • SamFox

          Nancy in Neb, great post. for more on Ron Paul for your personal info, copy & paste the following terms AT the YouTube site. You can also put them in a general search, but do the YT videos first, I suggest. Thanks.

          9-11, War and why Ron Paul’s foreign policy is right

          Combat Veterans for Ron Paul

          So you like Ron Paul but not his foreign policy

          Ron Paul talks about his foreign policy

          Judge Napolitano on Ron Paul

          Southern Avenger on Ron Paul

          Ron Paul talks about the ‘Federal’ Reserve

          Ron Paul consistent conservative

          Reality Check Ron Paul News Letters explained

          –In a regular search look for–

          Ron Paul’s foreign policy same as US Founders

          Ron Paul taxpayers best friend

          Jews for Ron Paul

          Jewish economists say end US aid to Israel

          Hispanics for Ron Paul

          Blacks for Ron Paul

          International support for Ron Paul

          Ron Paul explains his ear marks

          –There are Paul detractors. Most of them only tell half truths or do not understand Dr. Paul’s reasoning. The rest use personal attacks. Any criticism of Dr. Paul can be clarified.

          IMO Ron Paul is the answer to prayer for the USA. But Father allowed Ron to be in an outward package that is not attractive to the eye or ear. Ron is not the most eloquent speaker, I grant that. The following is from me & is why I said the above paragraph. I have not consulted Ron on this.

          1 Corinthians 1:25-27

          Amplified Bible (AMP)

          25 [This is] because the foolish thing [that has its source in] God is wiser than men, and the weak thing [that springs] from God is stronger than men.

          26 For [simply] consider your own call, brethren; not many [of you were considered to be] wise according to human estimates and standards, not many influential and powerful, not many of high and noble birth.

          27 [No] for God selected (deliberately chose) what in the world is foolish to put the wise to shame, and what the world calls weak to put the strong to shame.

          Also Ron is older. But he is in superb physical condition. He is an MD. :-)

          That age I would say has given Ron time to develop a deep wisdom regarding the USA & the financial condition we have been deliberately placed in by ‘progressives’ in both ‘parties’. Ron has studied economics & is a true fiscal conservative. He knows the Constitution & is up on the US Founder’s intents for the nation.

          Not saying Ron is perfect, but he is the best we have had running in a LONG time.

          This is time consuming I know. It took me some time to go through all the above articles & videos. But the nation & our future generations are worth it. So are you & I as citizens of the US. We & OUR future is at stake also, don’t forget.

          If We The People don’t bring change, who will?

          Thanks!

          SamFox

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        CHRISTOPHER, you will also hear that Ron Paul supports legalizing drugs. As a constitutionalist, you have to recognize that as long as p person is not infringing upon others thy should be allowed to do as they please. Once they DO infringe ie robberies etc… That is punishable! In order to understand why we should stop this nonsensical war on drugs, you have to understand what is really going on. as hard as it is to believe, I have seen enough evidence to believe that it is branches of our very government that controls the drug trade. Years ago it came out in the media that the CIA supported the Iran contra affair through selling drugs. Everyone was led to believe that this was an abberation but I’ve seen enough evidence to convince me that the CIA was and STILL IS controlling all of the illegal drug operations in the world. One of the leaders of a Mexican drug cartel stated that the CIA controlled all drug traffic. A Mexican government official said the same. Our invasion into Afghanistan was partly to control the drug business there. I also read that a CIA agent was involved in drug trafficking in turkey. Turkey, it would seem is a clearinghouse of sorts for drug traffickers. The war on drugs is a joke! With the billions of dollars spent fighting it, one would think that. They could make some gains but they never do! Perhaps that is intentional! Not only does drug trafficking provide billions and billions of dollars it also provides slave labor for corporate cronies that put politicians into office. Even people arrested for simple possession go to prison where they must work for pennies an hour! How convenient! Somebody’s making a crap load of money off that slave labor and it ain’t you and me! the whole system stinks through and through! We must end the corruption! Ron Paul want to do just that! Other countries have legalized drugs and found that their crime rate dropped and drug usage dropped. Now, I personally am very anti drug! Drugs destroy people’s lives! But what we’re doing now CLEARLY DOES NOT WORK!!! We need a change! I don’t think tht Ron Paul can save our ountry by himself but I DO think that he’s a start in the right direction. If we on tine to vote for the very people who are trying to destroy us, we WILL be destroyed. Anyway, I’m tired of typing that’s it!!!

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Edit: in the second to last sentence I meant to say “if we continue”.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Nancy in Nebraska,”

        MA’AM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR INSIGHT ON Rep. Paul’s VIEWS ON THE Constitution AND DRUGS. FANTASTIC EFFORT AND PRESENTATION.

        WHEN I LOOKED AT THE LINK “DaveH” PROVIDED ON Rep. Paul’s BOOKS, THE BRIEF SUMMARIES STATED HE SUPPORTED THE Jeffersonian Constitution; I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT MEANS IN 2012. MA’AM, YOUR EXPLANATION WAS BETTER. LIKE I SAID, I WILL DECIDE BY OCTOBER.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Thanks, Bob! I’ll take a look at them!

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Nancy in Nebraska,”

        MA’AM, THANKS FOR YOUR INSIGHT ON Rep. Paul’s VIEWS ON THE Constitution AND DRUGS. FANTASTIC EFFORT AND PRESENTATION – IT IS APPRECIATED.

        I LOOKED AT “DaveH’s” LINK ON Rep. Paul’s BOOKS. IN THE BRIEF SUMMARIES, Rep. Paul’s SUPPORT OF THE Jeffersonian Constitution SEEMS UNREALISTIC IN 2012. MA’AM, YOUR EXPLANATION IS BETTER. LIKE I SAID, I WILL DECIDE BY OCTOBER.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        SORRY, FOR THE REPEAT. I DID NOT KNOW WHERE MY FIRST TYPING WENT. I WISH EACH COMMENTER HAD THEIR OWN “Reply” ICON. I ALSO WISH THERE WAS AN “Edit” ICON [My intellect is my "pride-and-joy;" I hate when I have "typos," or, misspelled words in my comments].

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        I agree with you, CHRISTOPHER! I’m a stickler for spelling and grammar so when I mess up and don’t proofread, I have to kick myself! After reading over my diatribe I saw LOTS of errors. The I pad tries to figure out what you meant and correct it but sometimes it is way off. Oh, well, my fault or not proof reading! If there was an edit button, we could sound smart all the time! LOL

  • Jerry Hogan

    Sorry, but he picked the right Paul. Paul Ryan is probably the best person for the job ahead hands down. He has a great background in economics and understand the budget better that just about anyone in Washington.

    • DaveH

      You surely kid, Jerry?
      Ron Paul can run economic circles around Paul Ryan. Here is a partial list of his books:
      http://mises.org/Literature/Author/392/Ron-Paul

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “DaveH,”

        SIR, I JUST LOOKED AT YOUR LINK FOR Rep. Ron Paul’s BOOKS. HE IS AN ELITIST. HE HAS BOOKS ON FOREIGN POLICY, GOLD, FREE MARKETS, PRIVATE PROPERTY, ETC. HE TALKS ABOUT LIKING THE Constitution OF President Thomas Jefferson’s TIME. WE LIVE IN 2012.

        I AM NOT AN ECONOMIST. I HAVE NO INTEREST IN FOREIGN POLICY. I WANT TO KNOW Rep. Paul’s VIEWS ON DOMESTIC ISSUES, PRESENTED IN A SIMPLE “PLAIN-TALK” WAY. HE COULD HAVE MY VOTE IF I LIKED (AND, COULD UNDERSTAND) WHAT HE HAS TO SAY ON DOMESTIC ISSUES.

    • DAK

      Ryan knows the budget? He knows how to do everything but add and subtract. He knows how to paint a great picture… if you don’t look any deeper than that then great. No matter if it is all smoke and mirrors and IT WILL NOT WORK. Pie in the sky budgets are just as useless as over-inflated ones. Tell us the truth, show us a way out, don’t lie to us and if it is a good idea, then we’ll back you. Lie to us, blow smoke up our backsides, make stuff up and project numbers that do not add up… well, then the only thing left is “Vote for me because I might suck, but I don’t suck as bad as the other guy.” Not a good way to run a campaign in my book.

      “But Obama didn’t exactly cut Medicare, as the Romney campaign claims. The Medicare savings in the Affordable Care Act come from eliminating waste, fraud and abuse, mostly in Medicare Advantage. Furthermore, Ryan included the same savings in his own budget plan, backed by the presumptive Republican presidential nominee and most House Republicans.”

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “DAK,”

        I AM NOT IN A POSITION TO SAY YOU ARE RIGHT OR WRONG. THAT IS MY DILEMMA. THE NEXT Personal Libertarian WILL SAY Rep. Paul IS THE BEST THING SINCE “SLICED BREAD.”

        I LIVE WITHIN THE BORDERS OF THE UNITED STATES. I AM ONLY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT POLITICIANS WANT TO DO H-E-R-E.

        I WILL ALWAYS BELIEVE 11 SEPTEMBER 2001 HAPPENED BECAUSE THE UNITED STATES “STUCK ITS NOSE” IN OTHER COUNTRIES’ BUSINESS. MIDDLE-EASTERNERS RETALIATED BECAUSE THEY WERE TIRED OF THE UNITED STATES TREATING THEM LIKE SILLY CHILDREN WHO HAVE NO SOVEREIGNTY. IF Rep. Paul’s “CLAIM TO FAME” IS FOREIGN POLICY. I CAN NOT VOTE FOR HIM. INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS ARE NONE OF MY BUSINESS. TO GET MY ATTENTION, POLITICIANS NEED TO TALK ABOUT DOMESTIC ISSUES.

      • SamFox

        ChrisAllenH, you are right about 9-11 being because we mess in other nation’s bidness. At you tube look for–

        Did blowback cause 9-11 Southern Avenger

        9-11, war & why Ron Paul’s foreign policy is right

        NY Times:
        http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/02/opinion/02iht-edgreenway02.html

        Is Ron isolationist? No.
        http://paulitifact.com/

        Thanks for the good posts.

        SamFox

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “SamFox,”

        THANKS, SIR. THIS IS A REASON WHY I HAVE NO INTEREST IN FOREIGN AFFAIRS. THE UNITED STATES DOES NOT OWN EARTH. OTHER COUNTRIES HAVE A RIGHT TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITHIN THEIR OWN BORDERS. PEOPLE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT FOREIGN AID; IF THE UNITED STATES DOES NOT LIKE THE WAY ANOTHER COUNTRY BEHAVES, LEAVE THAT COUNTRY ALONE. AROUND THE WORLD, OTHERS THINK AMERICANS ARE ARROGANT – I WONDER WHY? BECAUSE THEY ARE.

    • Belinda

      Don’t give up Jerry. You are right. Some don’t realize that Ron Paul is not on the ballot. Though he is a good man and has some good ideas, he is not perfect either; although; they all think he is.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        He’ll BE on MY ballot!!!

        • Belinda

          You sure it does not say Obama.

  • Howard Solley

    someone in this post ask why is it that no one has the guts to do something different.I did,i have a video on youtube titled Howard Solley Presidential Candidate. watch it and reply.

    • Nancy in Nebraska

      Howard, if I had to choose between You, romney and obumass, I choose You!!!

  • Rodney burke

    the problem isn’t with the Paul, it’s with the Mitt. Of course having Ron Paul linked to Paul Ryan would be a much more preferable ticket. I think it’s time to demand the RNC trash Mitt the “milktoast” Romney and select someone with some guts who will throw Barry’s failures back in his face, his wife’s spending and the failure of the demwits in the last three years. Both Paul’s have a much more realistic grasp of our fiscal failures than the mentally ill liberals ever will. Trash dems now!

    • SamFox

      Rodney, you are half right. Ron Paul would be an answer to a US Patriot’s prayers regarding the office & our economy.

      On the other hand, Ryan is a CINO-RINO. Check out all the big govt stuff he voted for. Ryan’s budget is horrible & still adds to the national debt. Plus we DO NOT have 30 years to balance the budget. I doubt we have 3 or 4. If we are extremely blessed we MAY make it a year or so past the next election. By then the country would be so far run into the ground a real conservative would almost unanimously be elected. All that is based on IF we are still kicking as a country & have not been forced into default.

      Think I’m nuts? Check out the US debt clock & how bad a state we’d be in if interest on our debt were raised even a point or two.

      If it were not for the crap RNC, fringe media, phony conservative news sites like Fox, big $$ interests, big govt spenders & voters who don’t research, Ron Paul would be so far ahead in polls his competitor would probably concede.

      Romney & Ryan are just insurance for the NWO’s collapse the US system so we can be forced as a vassal state, into the one world govt. If Mitt & 0 are running, the NWO handlers & one worlders win, as it matters not which won; the take down of the USA would continue.

      SamFox

  • steve basini

    …Paul Ryan is not a Libertarian…IS OBAMA???…WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!…

    • Belinda

      Do we have to vote for the party of libertarian? I pick out the best man for the job.

      • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

        You have to look at the strings that man comes attached with… that is where that man’s real loyalties lie.

        When it comes down to a single vote every 4 years, and those strings that he’ll have to work with every day he’s in office, once that man has your vote, he doesn’t need you anymore.

        He does still need those strings tho, so don’t just look at the man, look at all the strings he’s dragging along behind him.

        – Smoov

        • Belinda

          So you are saying everyone has strings, so looks like nobody votes aye…

          • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

            You think they don’t!?

            Don’t be naive…

            – Smoov

          • Belinda

            What you are saying is everyone has strings and that because of that we should not vote for anyone. Sounds like you are saying.

          • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

            I’m saying everyone has loyalties beyond the ones they want you to see…

            Obama is a perfect example, with all the strings he came attached with, and you see where his loyalties really were all this time.

            It is the same thing with any politician, particularly the ones in the Progressive parties. With those big parties, the individual politicians, more often than not, are just one cog in the overall party machine.

            Their loyalties are to their party first, not their constituents, and all of the other people who have their strings attached to that politician.

            Those are the people the politician listens to, not us.

            So don’t just go voting for the man you think is the best for the job. Look at all the baggage he comes with, because all of those influences are what you’re voting for too.

            I’m not saying don’t vote for someone who has strings attached, I’m saying, don’t blind yourself to them. If you’re ok with all of the other strings where his loyalties are going to lie, then go right ahead and vote for him, content with the fact that you investigated, and found them to be acceptable to you, and that you’re casting an informed vote.

            Unlike the vast majority, who vote based on sound bites on TV, and slogans…

            There is so much more to these candidates than the public face they present to us, and the empty promises they keep throwing at us decade after decade, who’s only purpose is to get our vote.

            The voting record is important too, very much so… talk is cheap, actions matter, and the voting record is their action.

            That’s all I’m saying about paying attention to the strings they come attached with, it goes so much further, than just the man who’s name is on the ballot.

            – Smoov

  • http://www.facebook.com/lester.schunk Lester Schunk

    Ron Paul “TELL’S THE TRUTH” and the AMERICAN SHEEP Can’t Handle The TRUTH!! I am saddened to be an “AMERICAN”. Our Country is full of Scared Cowards! I wish they would WAKE UP before it’s too late. Get involved and “WE THE PEOPLE” can take OUR COUNTRY BACK!!!!!!!!!!! GOD HELP US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • Belinda

    You knew Clinton (both of them) were progressives also. Bill won

  • Belinda

    Obamacare was based on parts of Romney care. Romney said that it should be only state by state.He also said they saw the mistakes they had made and made changes. Peloski and the democrats made changes to it that are not good. They also put the funding into without congressional agreements. Obama said that in the health care, no money would be spent on abortions using the tax payer money. He arranged for that to happen and now he is abusing the freedom of religion as well buy forcing religious institutions to provide for any including abortions. Nothing is as Romneycare.
    You know you can have a starting point on a map and need to get to the same destination, but you can go in a lot of different directions to get there. That is what Obamacare is compared to Romneycare. The way that got to the destination is not a good way to travel through Obamacare.

  • Belinda

    If Obama wins, we will see where the madness lies. He has already said he will do even more plans if elected…To the Russian leader…he has all planned out…not pretty.
    We will surely get into the Greek mode after another four years….unlimited spending, no budget, all his cronies eating up our tax dollars. His donars getting special favors. He talks about Romney’s money. How about his big donar GE getting big bucks from the taxpayers and not paying a dime in tax and sending that money oversees for them to get jobs.
    They camplain about Romney making 20 million dollars and only paying l4 percent in taxes. My daughter figured that is 2 and a half million dollars. That is a lot. I don’t pay l4 percent in taxes. No where near that.

  • Belinda

    What about the countries where the women had no freedom to even walk around, get an education, do the normal things? Was that not a good thing?

  • Amanda

    I agree with Dave H and many other intellegent bloggers. Ron Paul is the one who can bring America back. Romney is the Republican choice of the puppet masters, elite ect. and he will continue big governement etc. We need to ask ourselves what we want and choose and support a candidate based on where we stand not what the crowd or masses think. It is because of the crowd/masses that we are where we are today, too many following the crowd and not thinking for themselves. This will be the biggest and most important decision the American people can make at a time like this. We need to follow our heart and not the crowds. I am sure if everyone took the time and learned about each candidate and do their own research, do not depend on the current media, or a friend/family to do the work, it will be a very easy pick. So many following the crowd has got us the present president…..do we want to make the same mistake twice???? Ours and the future of our children/grandchildrens freedom and liberty depend on this and it would not be easy to explain to them that we failed because we followed the crowd….and we listened to the deceived saying that a vote for this person gives a vote to that person. Wow, how easy we believe anything and how easy it for the Elite to control the sheeple that are so easily deceived. I say…no more.

  • Earthking

    Libertarians are half conservative (fiscally), and half liberal (socially). They are despicable piles of excrement, like their god Ron Paul, the big-eared, nut-case, moron. Libertarians are not conservatives, therefore not TEA Party. TEA Party on the other hand, represents real conservativism and is returning the Republican Party to its values.

    • http://personallibertyalerts darlene

      you said it very well. all the libertarians i know think ron paul is the greatest thing since sliced bread yet he has said some very stupid things and constantly puts his foot in his mouth.

      • http://boblivingstonpl.wordpress.com Bob Livingston

        Dear darlene,

        You write: “he has said some very stupid things and constantly puts his foot in his mouth.” Please provide an example.

        Best wishes,
        Bob

        • Belinda

          I don’t recall them, but did you not listen to the debates?

      • Belinda

        I agree with you about the tea party and its help to get the Republicans back on the right track. I don’t agree with some of the Libertarian ideas, if fact a lot of them, but I would not go as far as you did to put them down. They do have some good points to be made.That is the very way of the liberals and the same way of some of the stubborn libertarians that put down conservatives and even the basic fabric of our country supposedly to get back to the basic fabric of our country. They do not realize how much they are like the extreme far left in that regard.. it is a form of tunnel-vision.That is not good in any view. Republican, democrat, libertarian.tea party.If we could get all the good points and combine them that would be good.

    • Ted Crawford

      Earthking
      “Big-eared” What possible importance anyone could put on someones physical appearence, COMPLETELY escapes me?
      ” Nut-Case, Moron” What, I wonder, set of criteria would cause anyone to arrive at that conclusion?
      While I, strongly, disagree with Dr. Paul on Foreign Affairs and National Defense ( so strongly, in fact, that I would oppose his election or appointment to any position having Executive power in either of these areas, by any possible means), his fiscal policies, while high-risk, are very sound!
      Given the current economic conditions in America and the World today, if we are to prevent the starvation of Millions, high-risk might very well be our only hope !

  • http://GOOGLES FRED

    FREDDY SAYS, I THINK IT’S ABOUT TIME TO GET RID OF BOTH MAJOR PARTY CANDIDATES AND VOTE RON PAUL. WE NEED A CHANGE FROM PARTY POLITIC AS USUAL???

    • Belinda

      Where do you get Ryan is for big government? From all the information I hear, that is far from being a correct assumption.

    • Ted Crawford

      While I agree with you in principle Fred, as with anything in the real world, timing is everything! We need third., fourth, fifth, etc. Party options, but now IS NOT the time!

      • Ted Crawford

        I’m reminded of the old addage here; ” When you are up to your neck in Alligators, isn’t the best time to remember that your initial objective was to Drain the Swamp “

      • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

        “Now”, is absolutely the time… any time within the past 50 years, was the time… any time in our future, is the time…

        Procrastinating what we need to do, is where we ended up today.

        There is no better time, than “Now”… because “Later”, never comes.

        – Smoov

  • http://none Bonnie Cruz

    Late breaking news, More GOP dirty playing.
    Forwarding as written via Jeff Helberg ~ ** LATEST NEWS !!!!!!! URGENT !!!!!!!!!!!!! **
    DELEGATES GET TO THE RNC ON MONDAY
    LATEST TACTIC – RNC TEXT MESSAGING SYSTEM TEXTED ALL RP DELEGATES AND ALTERNATES TO TELL THEM THAT MONDAY WAS CANCELED AND THE RNC WOULD START ON TUESDAY, BUT REINCE PRIEBUS TOLD YAHOO NEWS THAT THEY WOULD “CONVENE ON MONDAY AND IMMEDIATELY RE-CONVENE ON TUESDAY.” THIS IS THEIR NEXT EVIL TACTIC TO EVADE THE RON PAUL SUPPORTERS !!! GET TO THE CONVENTION HALL ON MONDAY BEFORE DAYLIGHT AND DO. NOT. LEAVE. !!!!!!!!!!!

    • Belinda

      From what I see on the weather report I would not want to be there on Monday or Tuesday and maybe Wednesday. They need to propose the RNC until the storm has passed. t

    • Belinda

      My question..Will Romney perhaps need all those delegates to win an election? It would be honorable of Paul to encourage them to be given to Romney so that he can win the election. Paul ran as a member of the Republican party and he should do what is best for the candidate of America”s choosing, Unless Paul was pretending when he ran as a republican.

      • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

        Paul isn’t the one pretending to be a Republican… why in the world, would he ever endorse someone, who is?

        – Smoov

        • Belinda

          So if he is not a Republican why did he run as a republican?
          Because he knew he stood no chance running as a libertarian, that is why..
          He is retiring. did you hear that? He will be honored at the Republican primary.

          • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

            I didn’t say Ron wasn’t a Republican, and you know damned well I didn’t.

            He ran as a Republican, because, unlike the Progressives infecting his party, he is actually a Republican. Why wouldn’t he run as one? He’s trying to save his party.

            – Smoov

          • Belinda

            If he is a republican then why is he on the libertarian wagon train.

      • http://www.facebook.com/DivineCamille Camille Christie

        Have you been smoking crack???

        • http://www.facebook.com/leo.anderson.3194 Leo Anderson

          Ron Paul ad Gary Johnnson are real Republicans. Romney is not. Romney was leader of a pig powered police state that prohibits by law most citizens from using a firearm to defend themselves from an unlawful attack. If you use a firearm to defend yourself (without permission) in Massachussettes you will be prosecuted for murder. In this police state you must also go to the government (on your knees) to beg permission to buy ammunition.

          • Belinda

            and Obama’s view?

          • Belinda

            It is very strange. Ryan is not a real Libertarian. Ron Paul and the Johnson man are the true Republicans now. What is going on? I thought you all like libertarians. So if Ron Paul and the other man are true Republicans and Ryan is not a real Libertarian, than so Ryan must be a real Republican also. So you should all be happy with him, right.

        • Belinda

          I never smoked anything, not even a cigarette. I do not take drugs and I never smoked crack. Have you?

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        I AGREE, “Belinda.” “Smoovious Laxness’ ” POST [7:53 PM] IS VAGUE IN REFERENCE TO Ron Paul’s POLITICAL AFFILIATION. I ALSO THOUGHT “Smoov” WAS SAYING Rep. Paul IS NOT REPUBLICAN.

        • Belinda

          Glad I was not the only one to get that.

          • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

            It wasn’t the least bit vague to someone who knows how to parse sentences.

            (oh, and stop using the caps-lock, learn how your shift key works. it isn’t polite to shout constantly)

            I was pretty clear in saying Paul was a Republican, and that Romney was the fake Republican, being one in name only.

            I have never claimed otherwise.

            – Smoov

          • Belinda

            off on another tangent, and deeper into a bigger hole…..

          • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

            I put the tangent in perentheses. I didn’t say on it.

            – Smoov

          • BonnieC

            Tagging in here. The definition of a libertarian is one who advocates maximizing individual rights and minimizing the role of the state. One who believes in free will.
            They believe in themselves, in the power of the truth, honesty.

            In my opinon Ryan is not a true libertarian. Romney is a socialist. Obama wants Shiata Law. Now we want a President that is for the PEOPLE… Acting like a spoiled child demanding attention is not getting us anywhere. Aruging and nit picking is not what we need now. We have to figure out what we as a people are going to do to get rid of the GOP and the Demo and elect a man for the people I want Ron Paul but it looks like the dirty GOP is sticking it to Ron Paul. Now My next choice would be Gary Johnson and how do we get him elected and rally the nation to vote for him.? This is more important than anything for our children, grands, and great grands.

          • Belinda

            Good luck with that. Here you go again calling them libertarians. It has been established that Ron Paul and Gary Johnson, are republicans, real republicans.

    • Belinda

      http://news.yahoo.com/gingrich-urges-delegates-support-romney-022138268.html
      http://news.yahoo.com/santorum-release-delegates-140148422.html
      Times says:
      Republicans plan to show a tribute video honoring the retiring libertarian politician Tuesday at the convention. Paul is also holding his own rally nearby on Sunday afternoon.

  • http://www.facebook.com/leo.anderson.3194 Leo Anderson

    Soon voters will make a choice for president. Most will choose between a communist muslim that hates america or the former leader of a pig powered police state where most people are not allowed to have firearms for self defense. If you use a firearm to defend yourself in Massachussettes (even in your own house) from an unlawful invader or attacker and you do not have a license to posess a firearm for self defense, then the state will prosecute you for murder. And you people that call yourselves want this commie b****** to be our next president?

  • GregS

    Libertarians, by definition, are NOT true conservatives if they are liberal on the social issues!

    • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

      However, Libertarians ARE conservatives with their position that it isn’t the Federal government’s business to involve itself in social issues.

      It isn’t that Libertarians are necessarily for or against things like smoking marijuana, same-sex marriage, and other things that the Evangelicals and Liberals take positions on, and try to enforce their views via the Federal government.

      You can still be Libertarian, and be against those things, and still believe, that the Federal government is overstepping their bounds, pushing either ideology on The People.

      If a state wishes to take positions on those issues, that is their right, as they have reserved the powers not delegated to the Federal government, to themselves.

      The Libertarians are conservative, by believing that the powers to do those things, need to be put back into the places where it belongs.

      – Smoov

  • Bay0Wulf

    A Little Off Topic But …

    2016, The Film … Worth Your Time and Money I Think

    Actually … While I know … a lot about BO … many things he did
    puzzled me as to WHY and WHAT did he hope to achieve … aside from the
    obvious. Many things just did not add up. I can comfortably say that I
    know more than most of my friends who are anti BO and I learned many
    more things than I knew.

    If you’re at all curious as to what he’s “about” and WHY he is doing
    the things he is doing this is worth going to see. It might not be 100%
    factual and accurate in terms of the author’s conclusions but … a lot
    of things finally “fell into place” when I saw the film.

    It’s pretty spot on. Its pretty … frightening … to see what the
    US Citizenry allowed into the Presidency. Talk about a weasel guarding a
    chicken coop!

  • http://none ron

    Since when was the TEA PARTY movement a grassroots movement?????????
    It was started by Dick Armey with money from The Koch Brothers and is financed completely by corporations!!!!!!!!
    You didn’t think any of those TEA PARTY members were going to cough up any of their own money did you?????????

    • Belinda

      Since ordinary American decided to jon this group is when it became grass roots. Thank you. I do not see why you are so against them when much of they want is what you want. Small government, for one.

      • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

        You need to learn what “grass-roots” in a grass-roots organization actually means.

        The way you described it? That is not “grass-roots”.

        – Smoov

        • Belinda

          semantics…you never heard the tea party called a grass roots organization. Where have you been?

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Smoovious Laxness,”

        I AGREE WITH “Belinda.” IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING A “GRASS-ROOTS” ORGANIZATION WAS FOUNDED – AND, CONSISTS OF – “EVERYDAY” PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PERSUADE LAWMAKERS TO MAKE LEGISLATIVE CHANGE. ANYONE CAN START A “GRASS-ROOTS” GROUP FOR ANY POLITICAL CAUSE.

        • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

          Her wording is where I take the issue tho.

          She said, “Since ordinary American decided to join[sic] this group is when it became grass roots.”… that is not how a grass-roots organization forms.

          The way that says it, is that the group was formed, first, and then ordinary Americans decided to join… making it grass-roots.

          Ordinary Americans join groups all over the place, that doesn’t make them grass-roots organizations.

          I’m not against what the Tea Party was supposed to be to begin with… but it isn’t the same group, now, that it used to be.

          I’m trying to stay objective here, I take no sides, Dem or Rep… and I will not blind myself to things, just because I may generally side with it.

          It would be intellectually dishonest if I didn’t point that out.

          – Smoov

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Smoovious Laxness,”

        THANKS SIR, I LIKE YOUR EXPLANATION. BUT, I BELIEVE THE MISSION OF A PROFESSIONALLY-ORGANIZED GROUP HAS THE ABILITY TO TRANSFORM INTO A “GRASS-ROOTS” GROUP IF THE NUCLEUS OF THE GROUP’S MISSION “TAKES HOLD” WITH “EVERYDAY” PEOPLE. IT MAY BE THE CASE THE ORIGINAL FOUNDER MAY WANT TO LEAVE BECAUSE THE “PEOPLE’S” CAUSE WAS NOT WHAT HE/SHE HAD IN MIND.

        MANY “EVERYDAY” PEOPLE FEEL HELPLESS WHEN IT COMES TO CHALLENGING THEIR GOVERNMENT BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE THEY DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO DO SO – THUS, HAVING A PROFESSIONAL “SPONSOR” SEEMS TO BE COMMON.

        • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

          > I BELIEVE THE MISSION OF A PROFESSIONALLY-
          > ORGANIZED GROUP HAS THE ABILITY TO TRANSFORM
          > INTO A “GRASS-ROOTS” GROUP IF THE NUCLEUS OF
          > THE GROUP’S MISSION “TAKES HOLD” WITH
          > “EVERYDAY” PEOPLE.

          Then this type of group, would not be a grass-roots movement.

          A grass-roots movement, _starts_ as grass-roots… you don’t just take an organized group, add everyday people, and it becomes grass-roots… this, is _not_ how grass-roots efforts begin.

          This is the kind of thing I would call astroturf… this kind of method, is what I would consider a fake grass-roots group. I don’t wish to take away from what the Tea Party’s goals are about, if they can actually keep to their publicly stated goals, then they should end up being a very positive influence on the politics of our country…

          But… if that is how the group began? It isn’t grass-roots, no matter how much the public-relations people try to make it so.

          – Smoov

          • Belinda

            So the Librarian has a totally isolationist agenda and is not open to ideas of other people who want to make our country a better place.if the libertarian party is not the author of it. It does not have open arms to other ideas. It is closed from that and is against the tea party as an advisory instead of a potential ally in turning our nation around because of the our way or no way attitude. Surely with such an attitude, you can never expect this to be a truly viable alternative for Americans or a movement for good change in our country; You need to come off your high and mighty pedestal with your god like thinking that you are all wise and all knowing and get down to earth with the rest of us;
            If you do not like what I am saying, you should go back and read the post you have written and you will see where people can get that this is the way you think about yourself.
            As a libertarian who said anyone who votes for Romney is an idiot without denial, do you agree that my assessment of your beliefs are correct?

          • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

            Nope, that isn’t a correct assessment.

            My point was that, if that is how that group started, it isn’t ‘grass-roots’.

            As for the rest of that, your post is incoherent. The path you took, based on what I can only assume to be ‘logic’ on your part, doesn’t even get there.

            You filter your worldview through your assumptions, and continue to try and mold what you see into what you want to see, instead of seeing things for what they are, and you attempt to continue to do that with me as well.

            I stand by my opinion of you being an idiot, however, if that makes you feel better.

            – Smoov

          • Belinda

            Hopefully others will be idiots and vote for Romney. Then the smart people like you will have to live with all these idiots. But then again, you already do. Because we are all idiots but you. Thank you.

          • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

            And I’m sure, while you say that, you don’t grasp, just how true that statement actually is, these days.

            – Smoov

          • Belinda

            Yes and while you can conceive that we are all idiots, It is beyond you to ever fathom the possibility that it also pertains to you.

          • Belinda

            I do not filter everything that I see about you with my worldview.
            Your worldview keeps you from seeing the real picture and the arrogant way you hoover yourself over everyone else.

          • http://smoovious.wordpress.com Smoovious Laxness

            So you’re fine then, with the way we meddle in other countries’ affairs.

            You’re fine with the corruption that tainted the Republican nomination process this season?

            You’re ok with etch-a-sketch politicians?

            You’re fine with Republicans who violate The Constitution?

            These are just a tiny sampling of the things that disgust me about your party. But, you’re cool with all of that? It fits into your worldview just fine?

            This is a small part of the “real picture”, which you need to take a hard look at. How can you not be angry? How can you not want to do something about it? How can you keep supporting it?

            You must approve of it then.

            We do not. We won’t endorse it. We won’t vote for it.

            But go ahead. Stay part of the problem if that is what you wish. Keep your head in the sand and keep following where the Progressive movement directs you. They like people like you. They make their aims, possible.

            – Smoov

          • Belinda

            It seems that you are all against what the Republicans have done, but you are not incensed at the atrocious and flippant way that Obama has stomped, , tore up and slaughtered the the constitution of this United States He has worked on and will continue to work on destroying our freedoms in the bill of rights.
            There is one right that he will never do anything to infringe on and that is the right to kill baby’s with abortion and even kill or let die those that survive the very act of abortion. That is one right that is not included in the bill of rights and in fact is a license to kill.
            Your urging to keep Romney from being president of this United States without your fire to rid us of the fungus that is Obama and who is in total opposition to all that you claim to be dear to you heart. I do not know how you can justify in Good conscientious the virtues that you seem to care about the constitution and small government and even our troops in other countries and not see and not see the hypocrisy of your hate of the republicans.
            When what you are doing is helping Obama. I just do not see your pie in the sky attitude.

      • GregS

        Excellent posts, Belinda, all of them! The Libertarians are all-or-nothing purists who would throw the entire Country under the bus, just to get their own agenda. During this election cycle, they have become more vocal than ever before, and, from the comments that Smoovious Laxness and others have made, it’s quite apparent that they are just as arrogant and condescending as the Democrats.

        I would contend that many of them are nothing but Obama shills, who are hell-bent on splitting the conservatives in order to get Obama re-elected. Anyone, who has even half a brain, realizes that if Obama gets another term to do damage, ALL will be lost, and NO ONE, not even the Libertarians, will be able to fix it.

        • Belinda

          Thank you. I appreciate than someone is listening and that I am not just blowing in the wind. All this talk and I probably will not change any minds, but maybe. I am concerned about the America my children and grandchildren will have to live in. I am not sure that another four years of Obama we will ever be capable of getting back to what is good about America. I will pray that if he does, we will be able to, but I am wondering if that will be at all possible.
          I think that it is Obama’s intent to stifle all voices that disagree with him.
          I love liberty with the best of them, but I am not sure that these lovers of liberty realize than another four years of Obama, all our voices may be quelled, even theirs.
          They don’t realize that this is not a battle about republicans, or democrats, or libertarians.
          It is a battle for America as we have known it and as we would ever hope that it could be.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Belinda, unfortunately this country can’t get back to what is good about America until Americans return to wanting what was good for America. My point: too many people don’t think properly and too many if not all politicians suffer from this malady. A decline in our moral state equals a decline in our nations wealth and power.

          • Belinda

            A decline in our moral state, yes there is such a decline, but the answer to that is not libertarianism, it is a for us to fall on our face upon the Lord and ask His forgiveness and turn to him for our help. Not just one person, the whole nation. Maybe that is what it will take to bring that about, the total fall of our nation. I would hope that we can turn before the failure of our nation completely.

          • http://katrael.wordpress.com Katrael

            Belinda, I agree. What you say about repentance has happened in the past and can happen here but usually it only delays what would have happened sooner. Of course that good for the current generation. The good thing about this: those who stay repentant or those who behave don’t generally have to worry as they don’t suffer from what happens to those who don’t. What we need though is someone with a strong enough voice or enough voices to sound the warning.

      • GregS

        I think the goal of many Libertarians (i.e. those who may not be Obama shills) is to actually force a catastrophe (created by another 4 years of and Obama administration) to happen, so that they can move in and take over. Obviously, there are several problems with that tactic, which the Libertarians don’t care about:

        1. Millions of lives will have been destroyed.

        2. The chances of ever recovering from such a catastrophe would be, at best, a crap-shoot, because most people, at that point, will have already become completely dependent upon the government for their welfare, and they won’t want the Libertarians, or anyone else, to change that.

        • Belinda

          There is a possibility that what you say is correct, but they don’t include for them the possibility that they will not even be there to pick up the pieces once Obama gets through with America.

      • GregS

        Belinda, you are absolutely right. That is indeed a possibility.

    • chuckb

      what’s wrong with the koch bros? they contribute to many conservative orgs. they are pro american unlike george soros who heads the bolshevik party, and ready to destroy this government as it now stands. perhaps their contributions to christian orgs. bother you.

      • Belinda

        Whether the tea party started with the help of some people, I don’t know of that. I do know that there was a ground swell of people who wanted to speak out about the big government and other problems with the way things are going without the voice of the people being heard. I know you can not do anything without money. I know that donations are made and unlike the “occupy wall street” people were not paid by unions to stand up.The Wall Street gang protest against the big money made by wall street by being paid by the big Unions leaders who fork in the big money. That I do not see.Seems their protest did nothing but cause an expense for where ever they were and disrupt the commerce of those trying to make a living and go to their schools or whatever. I do not see the occupy walstreet as a good thing at all.

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