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Ron Paul Wins CPAC Straw Poll, But Not Everyone Is Impressed

February 26, 2010 by  

Ron Paul wins CPAC straw poll, but not everyone is impressed At the recent Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) conference, Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) has once again called for a return to the gold standard and abolishing the Fed, and his message seems to be resonating with many conservatives. However, Paul’s growing popularity has many GOP insiders worried.

After the speech, in which he called national debt "the monster" that is keeping the economy close to the brink, the traditional CPAC presidential straw poll showed Paul winning over other potential candidates. In total, the Texas congressman garnered 31 percent of the vote, leaving former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney at a distant second with 22 percent, according to media reports.

However, even though The National Inflation Association said it was "thrilled" with Paul’s anti-inflation stance, many conservatives have been wary of his growing influence within the GOP.

Politicians such as former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee said it makes the party lean too much into the libertarian direction, while conservative commentator David Frum called Paul’s financial proposals "far from golden."

Writing for CNN, Frum suggested that the recession of 1929 turned into the Great Depression because political decision-makers at the time were "trapped" by the rules of the gold standard. Those rules forced them to cut spending and raise taxes during a downturn, thus "capsizing" the economy into depression.
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  • Yours truly,

    The headline should read;
    “Rep. Ron Paul Wins CPAC Straw Poll and the Neo-cons choked.”

    His growing popularity have many of the Grand Obsolete Pork (GOP) insiders worried. Poll showed Dr. Paul winning over other candidates 31 percent of the vote, leaving socialist wannabe Romney at a distant…

    Many conservatives have been wary of his growing influence within the GOP. It is a tough pill to swallow and admit that “We have an identity problem”

    Mr. Huckabee is with Faux Entertainments and clueless about what “Conservatives” stand for!

    As for Libertarian, if you think about it the founders of this great nation are mostly Libertarians! Radicals, aren’t they?

    As for David Frum; he is No Conservative, not enough to understand Dr. Paul’s messages.

    Ron Paul for the long haul…

    • http://WorldNetDaily WKKornblatt

      I subscribe to Ron Paul’s way of thinking on many issues (tho his stand on defence disturbs me geatly) and agree with you for the most part.
      However, some of your other comments lead me to believe that if you consider yourself a true conservative, then there is something woefully wrong with your thinking.
      Just my opinion.

      • Joe T

        I don’t know “Yours Truly”, but I do know that Ron Paul has a nearly 100 percent record of voting for or against bills based on the US Constitution. No one else in DC comes close.

        • Not-Impressed

          Joe,
          Can’t you see that yours truly does not know what a constitution means.

          • Buddy

            It may be that some of you don’t know what a constitution is? Where does the Constitution authorize a Federal Reserve? What about taxation, and is an income tax constitutional. How about a war that is waged without a declaration of war? It sounds to me that Ron Paul has read the Constitution and some of you, and our politicians have not.

    • Dan, Phoenix

      Ron Paul/Michele Bachmann

      • Dee

        I agree, Perfect Match.

      • Claire

        Ron Paul for Prez and Rand Paul for VP.

        • Joe H.

          Claire,
          I just can’t get my mind around the father/son team. It would be too much like a royal family!!! I don’t mean to demean either one, it just doesn’t set right.

          • Claire

            JoeH–Okay then. Ron Paul for Prez and Hunter for VP. Either one of these two guys would certainly be a good choice. Bachmann?? Good grief.

          • Joe H.

            Claire,
            Yeah, I could wrap my vote around that, but the main problem with that is Hunter is a repub and Paul isn’t. One would have to change and that would put people on edge because of Spector and with good reason!!!!

          • Meteorlady

            Joe H – In case you missed the Republican debates for their presidential nomination, Ron Paul was there and participating.

          • Claire

            JoeH–I know. I’ m just being silly, I guess. But it sure would be nice.

          • Joe H.

            Meteor,
            yeah and if he gets the nod I would vote in the general for him in a heartbeat!!! especially if he took Hunter as his running mate!!!!

      • blakmira

        Michelle Bachman, the Neocon warmonger? Really bad match. Ron Paul is against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. How many Democrats or Republicans have the guts to say they are anti-war (tantamount to being anti-government and a potential domestic terrorist)?

  • Grant

    To all those who approve of Ron Paul winning the CPAC poll, I implore you to keep the debate leveled on the issues and not let critics turn the debate into a referendum about Ron Paul personally.

    The principles of liberty and their application to today’s problems are what we must continue to put before the American people. Candidates like Ron Paul will continue to be easily marginalized as “radical” until the ideas they espouse are explained and considered by the voters. The ideas that Ron champions transcend all of his shortcomings, both actual and fabricated, which is why those who have considered his positions generally support him, even though he is too old and lacks the charisma of those candidates produced for mass consumption.

    Further, the establishment inside both political parties are scared to death of what Ron represents, and are already using personal smears to discredit him WITHOUT having to debate his ideas.

    But the ideas are not so easily smeared or dismissed. I think Ron would agree with this. Freedom is popular!

    • Brian Wheatley

      Claire,

      I agree with you that the issues are the thing to concentrate on, not the personality.
      Unfortunately, today that is all we seem to get – personality. It is almost a cult thing. This is how Prsident Obama got elected by the media. All form and no substance.

      The consititution is important, however the depth of debate is like a two inch deep swimming pool these days. The ability to think seems to have evaporated from the national psyche.

      For example. How can spending money we don’t have to save companies that have squandered literally billions of dollars, be good for the country? This supposed to be a capitalist country, but the entire administrations policies are socialist! What made America great was capitalist enterprise,not socialism.

      Look what happened to the soviets, Eastern Europe, and also China, before their leader said, “To be rich is glorious.”

      Look what happened to China after that. I am talking about principles here. Don’t get bogged down with minutae. Principles matter and they don’t change, but they can be abandoned, and that is what is happening in America. If a company goes broke, so be it. Why bail them out?

      The more Obama bails them out the worse for America.

      • Claire

        Hi Brian–Yes, looks seem to count more than character in some cases. Media/magazines/society have always placed value on good looks. But a person cannot always judge a book by its cover, goodlooking or not. If a company folds, then so be it. I do not want a business/factory, etc. to fail but this is the nature of the beast. Bailouts? No, sink or swim is the theory. If a company/business fails, then perhaps the people in charge did not do their job or they did not provide a commodity that was useful, practical, or in demand. America does not need all this intervention that is going on.

  • Jason

    Getting hard to argue with Pat:

    Liquidating the Empire
    by Pat Buchanan

    A decade ago, Oldsmobile went. Last year, Pontiac. Saturn,
    Saab and Hummer were discontinued. A thousand GM dealer-
    ships shut down.

    To those who grew up in a “GM family,” where buying a
    Chrysler was like converting to Islam, what happened to
    GM was deeply saddening.

    Yet the amputations had to be done — or GM would die.

    And the same may be about to happen to the American
    Imperium.

    Its birth can be traced to World War II, when America put
    16 million men in uniform and sent millions across the
    seas to crush Nazi Germany and Japan. After V-E and V-J
    Day, the boys came home.

    But with the Stalinization of half of Europe, the fall of
    China, and war in Korea came NATO and alliances with Japan,
    South Korea, Taiwan, the Philippines, Thailand, Pakistan
    and Australia that lasted through the Cold War.

    In 1989, however, the Cold War ended dramatically with the
    fall of the Berlin Wall, the retirement of the Red Army
    from Europe, the break-up of the Soviet Union and Beijing’s
    abandonment of world communist revolution.

    Overnight, our world changed. But America did not change.

    As Russia shed her alliances and China set out to capture
    America’s markets, Uncle Sam soldiered on.

    We clung to the old alliances and began to add new allies.
    NATO war guarantees were distributed like credit cards to
    member states of the old Warsaw Pact and former republics
    of the Soviet Union.

    We invaded Panama and Haiti, smashed Iraq, liberated
    Kuwait, intervened in Somalia and Bosnia, bombed Serbia,
    and invaded Iraq again — and Afghanistan. Now we prepare
    for a new war — on Iran.

    Author Lawrence Vance has inventoried America’s warfare
    state.

    We spend more on defense than the next 10 nations combined.

    Our Navy exceeds in firepower the next 13 navies combined.
    We have 100,000 troops in Iraq, 100,000 in Afghanistan or
    headed there, 28,000 in Korea, over 35,000 in Japan and
    50,000 in Germany. By the Department of Defense’s “Base
    Structure Report,” there are 716 U.S. bases in 38
    countries.

    Chalmers Johnson, who has written books on this subject,
    claims DOD is minimizing the empire. He discovered some
    1,000 U.S. facilities, many of them secret and sensitive.
    And according to DOD’s “Active Duty Military Personnel
    Strengths by Regional Area and by Country,” U.S. troops
    are now stationed in 148 countries and 11 territories.

    Estimated combined budgets for the Pentagon, two wars,
    foreign aid to allies, 16 intelligence agencies, scores
    of thousands of contractors in Iraq and Afghanistan,
    and our new castle-embassies: $1 trillion a year.

    While this worldwide archipelago of bases may have been
    necessary when we confronted a Sino-Soviet bloc spanning
    Eurasia from the Elbe to East China Sea, armed with
    thousands of nuclear weapons and driven by imperial
    ambition and ideological hatred of us, that is history
    now.

    It is preposterous to argue that all these bases are
    essential to our security. Indeed, our military presence,
    our endless wars and our support of despotic regimes have
    made America, once the most admired of nations, almost
    everywhere resented and even hated.

    Liquidation of this empire should have begun with the end
    of the Cold War. Now it is being forced upon us by the
    deficit-debt crisis. Like GM, we can’t kick this can up
    the road any more, because we have come to the end of the
    road.

    Republicans will fight new taxes. Democrats will fight to
    save social programs. Which leaves the American empire as
    the logical lead cow for the butcher’s knife.

    Indeed, how do conservatives justify borrowing hundreds of
    billions yearly from Europe, Japan and the Gulf states –
    to defend Europe, Japan and the Arab Gulf states? Is it
    not absurd to borrow hundreds of billion annually from
    China — to defend Asia from China? Is it not a symptom
    of senility to borrow from all over the world in order to
    defend that world?

    In their Mount Vernon declaration of principles,
    conservatives called the Constitution their guiding star.
    But did not the author of that constitution, James
    Madison, warn us that wars are the death of republics?

    Under Bush II, conservatives, spurning the wisdom of their
    fathers, let themselves be seduced, neo-conned into enlist-
    ing in a Wilsonian crusade that had as its declared utopian
    goal “ending tyranny in our world.”

    How could conservatives whose defining virtue is prudence
    and who pride themselves on following the lamp of
    experience have been taken into camp by the hustlers and
    hucksters of empire?

    Yet, now that Barack Obama has embraced neo-socialism,
    Republicans are about to be given a second chance. And
    just as Rahm Emanuel said liberal Democrats should not
    let a financial crisis go to waste, but exploit it to
    ram through their agenda, the right should use the
    opportunity of the fiscal crisis to take an axe to the
    warfare state.

    Ron Paul’s victory at CPAC may be a sign the prodigal sons
    of the right are casting off the heresy of neoconservatism
    and coming home to first principles.

    • Joe H.

      Jason,
      you state that the troops on foreign soil were necessary because of the soviets and that since the end of the cold war they are no longer needed. Do you honestly think the North Koreans and the Iranians are any less of a threat??? They are not only governed by a totalitarian government, they are governed by madmen!!!

      • BD

        The N. Koreans and Iranians ARE FAR, FAR LESS of a threat than the Soviets were… neither has nearly the technology, firepower or manpower that the Soviets did. In both cases, they may have truly hostile intent, but they are mostly bark and little bite. We already have many times enough weapons and manpower to take out either one of them… the problem, as with Iraq, is that it would be a very expensive victory as we try to clean up the aftermath and rebuild their societies.

        • Joe H.

          BD,
          Have you heard nothing of the news lately??? The Former Soviets are in talks about arms deals with Iran as Russia needs MONEY, TOO! What arms pull down more cash??? NUKES, RUSSIAN NUKES!! THERE’S your technology! All it takes is three or four nukes to get through our defenses and we got a problem. We go from defending against an attack to blowing Iran out of the desert and one never knows what the inscrutable Chinese will do after that!! With early defense capability in between us and them, we have a better chance of knocking down what ever they throw at us! don’t ever make the mistake of comparing the Iranians to the Russians. We were worried that they might launch and they were very glad we were! the Iranians aren’t worried about anything except meeting their virgins!!! BIG DIFFERENCE!!!

          • Reason

            Why would Iran want to attack us???

            Maybe it’s because we embargo their country, installed an unelected regime,
            assassinated their leaders, and provided weapons to their neighbors?

            If we would leave them alone they would leave us alone.

            But they have done NOTHING to us, so this is all irrelevant.

            Even if they did want to declare war on us, it wouldn’t be a contest an they know it.

            Your fear mongering scenario is baseless.

          • Michael J.

            Reason,
            Your understanding of Iran appears a bit naive. You should search Ahmadinejad and the 12th Imam to learn what the leadership of Iran is willing to do, to bring about Armagedon.

          • Joe H.

            Reason,
            The LEADERSHIP of Iran are all finatics!!!! All of them! they believe that their religeon orders them to SLAY the INFIDELS!!!! Guess who the infidells are! Anyone not true Muslim in their idea of it!! If they thought they could kill about fifteen million American people at once they wouldn’t hesitate a bit!!!

          • American Citizen

            The problem is, the Muslims are emigrating into almost every country. We may have to fight them on our own soil some day. The world is getting scarier every day.

          • eyeswideopen

            Reason, don’t forget that the Iranians watched us attack and totally destroy Iraq, who was not guilty of attacking us. Think I would be a little nervous considering how we have treated Iran during the past 50 years. We can’t seem to decide if we like them or not. But we sure do interfere frequently.

          • Claire

            America should take care of herself first and foremost. We should simply close our borders, no more illegals, the illegals should be rounded up and sent back to their own country, and no more immigration. I believe our population is humongous now. Why do we need more? We should strengthen our military might, and keep our nose out of the other countries, but continue to keep a close watchful eye on the “enemies.” The radical groups within the United States bear watching also. Sure, America is the land of the free, but these groups can/may be dangerous to America. And we all know who these groups are. We should grow all of our own food (I am fearful of food coming from other countries), get our farmers back to farming, open up our oil fields, and use our own resources, of which I believe we have plenty. We simply replace and maintain what we use, like trees, environment, etc. Trade agreements? They are highly unfair. If we do have trade agreements, then we should export the same amount that we import. We should come up with incentives for our businesses to stay in America and not go to foreign countries. The greed and corruption must be stopped. Any politician that is found to be guilty of unethical/criminal conduct must be removed from their position immediately. If the average American is found guilty of a crime and sentenced, then a politician should not get by with the crimes they commit. No more double standard. I could write a book, but I think everyone knows what I am talking about, and some may not agree with me and I understand that. These are my thoughts, and America needs a good housecleaning. I use the word “we” a lot, but you know what I am referring to.

          • eyeswideopen

            Claire, this is something, I thought you would find interesting. http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=29634

          • Joe H.

            eyesstapledshut,
            Oh, yeah the next time I see an Iranian I’ll follow Obummers way and appologize to him/her for attacking Iraq and setting them free from one of the most bloody despots in their lives!!! Also if you have been paying attention to ANY news at all, you will see that even the Iranian people are worried about their leadership!!! pull out the staples eyes and open them!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            JoeH, we didn’t go to Iraq with the intent on freeing the people. We went there to finish what Big Daddy Bush wasn’t allowed to do. Kill Sadamn. Cheney and Bush jr. wanted to finish the job that the UN wouldn’t let us do, during Gulf War.

    • Larry

      Jason,
      You seem to be confused, you have progressive republicans mixed up with conservatives. Just saying…

  • Jay brown

    Ron Paul does in fact have the core values of traditional republicans. It is disconcerning the media and other republican speakers always refer to their traditional values. Paul is coming from the traditional republcan values started by Lincoln carried on throughput the party Teddy Taft Coolidge Hoover and even Eisenhower. The party switched to the ugly democratic party when Johnson voted on civil rights. Then democrats like strom Thurman switched to nixons néw political neoconservative party which was really just the racist democrats from the south. The great depression did not happen because of the gold standard. We couldn’t get out of it because the world was in turmoil over word war 2. Its a hoax to say otherwise. Ron Paul is a traditional republican the neocons are not hence the neo. It’s also not a traditional value to ban marriage of any kind unless you believe on persocuting other non Christian or Muslim beliefs. The native Americans had gay marriage as did othercultures. In defending liberty you defend other peoples right to live their lives with liberty as long as they don’t impose on yours. It is the least racist bigotous form of thought and it led the traditional republicans to abolish slavery allow women to vote stop lynching and let blacks join civil service jobs. Let’s debate actual history not spin.

    • Richard Pawley

      “The great depression did not happen because of the gold standard.” True, but “We couldn’t get out of it because the world was in turmoil over world war 2!” I’m afraid that’s not! The real cause of the so-called Great Depression was the Socialists or Liberals, now called Progressives, who couldn’t let things sort out on their own as they had in the Depression of 1920. The Depression of 1920? It was worse than 1929 but much shorter because government knew their place. In the words of author and history professor, Larry Schweikart:

      “Ever hear of the Great Depression of 1920? No…Do you know why? Because the recession that began shortly after World War I ended never deepened and never became “great” (as though any depression is great). There is a history lesson in that story that our leadership in Washington should keep in mind today.
      “As the United States, and the world, came out of World War I, the economies of the warring powers had been cranked up to full production to meet wartime demands. Suddenly, in 1918, the Armistice was announced, and within a year, troops began returning to civilian life. The influx of millions of soldiers worldwide introduced sudden unemployment, and thousands of farmers came back to farms that were already at or near full capacity, causing farm prices to fall. In the United States, Woodrow Wilson’s hand-picked successor, James Cox, the newspaper magnate from Dayton, Ohio, ran on a platform of reducing America’s wartime debt through a policy of maintaining Wilson’s outrageously high wartime tax rates.
      “The Progressive President Wilson had been in office when the Income Tax Amendment was passed—a story in itself. While the goal of the Progressives who favored an income tax was first and foremost wealth redistribution (not raising money to run the government), the income tax itself was largely sold to the American people on two major positive features. First, its rates were (by current standards) ridiculously low. Most people paid no income taxes at all, the bottom bracket paid only about 1%, and the very richest Americans paid only 6% (today, many states have higher income tax rates than that!). As a Vegas comedian would say, “What’s not to like?”
      “But it only took Wilson a couple of years of war to jack up the top rates to an astounding 73% (near confiscation) and hike the bottom rate to 25%.
      “Now for a little sidebar: how often have you heard that “World War II got us out of the Great Depression?” Probably more times than you can count. What is often forgotten is that when your very survival is at stake, as it was from 1941 to 1945, people will submit to most anything—rationing, confiscatory tax rates, muzzling of civil liberties. This is laudable and natural. But it is wholly unnatural and oppressive for a government to seek to maintain wartime tax levels and intrusions on civil liberties in peacetime. Hence, to return to our story, Wilson “got away” with the outrageously high tax rates during the war because . . . it was a war! Once the threat was over, however, Americans expected their country back.
      “Cox’s opponent, Warren Harding, also of Ohio, ran on a platform of returning the country to its pre-war “normal” economy and freedoms. While he didn’t explicitly endorse a tax cut, voters rightly inferred that’s what he meant, and sent him to the White House instead of Cox. In perhaps his shrewdest move, Harding asked Pittsburgh millionaire Andrew Mellon to be the Secretary of the Treasury. When Mellon told him he “didn’t want the job,” Harding knew he had the right guy. Mellon finally gave in, and immediately studied the recession, which was severe.
      “Various estimates of the 1920-1921 recession suggest that Gross National Product fell anywhere from 2.4% to a whopping 6.9%. Estimates of unemployment put the rate at between 7% and 8%. Interestingly, while most economists correctly identify the issue of returning troops as a “shock,” few note that the extremely high tax rates dragged the economy down faster than “Bernie” behind the boat (reference to “Weekend at Bernies,” if you haven’t seen it).
      “Mellon performed a review of another phenomenon: even though Wilson’s boys consistently pushed up tax rates, the relative return from those rates fell steadily. Without knowing it, Mellon had come up with an early version of the “Laffer Curve,” which says that at a certain point, raising taxes will result in less revenue to government, because people will silently revolt and either cease work or go into the black market. Mellon convinced Harding to ask Congress for a radical tax cut. Of course, many in government opposed. In a stunner, the New York Times of 1909 had actually warned that “when men get in the habit of keeping themselves to the property of others, they cannot easily be cured of it.”[1] Harding died in office, but his successor, the great Calvin Coolidge, remained committed to steeply reducing tax rates. Mellon, Harding, and Coolidge succeeded in reducing the top rate from 73% to 25%, and the bottom rate from 25% to 5%. There are two observations one can make: a) that’s an astounding drop, and all three men are to be commended, and b) it was still many times higher than the pre-war rates!
      “Nevertheless, the economy quickly recovered. Unemployment rates fell, down to 5%, then 4%, then finally, in 1926, to 1.6% according to one study. Even more shocking, the share of taxes paid by the rich . . . skyrocketed. Those earning over $50,000 (a “supermillionaire” back then) had only paid 45% of the total taxes when the rates were sky-high, but after the Mellon cuts paid 62%. Those in the “Bill Gates” category of “so-rich-they-wouldn’t-pick-up-a-$100-bill-on-the-sidewalk” rich ($100,000 at the time), saw their share of taxes paid almost double, from 28% to 51%.
      “We call what happened next the “Roaring ‘20s,” because the economy absolutely went nuts. Average Americans came to own cars, radio, have appliances and the electricity to power them (electricity use rose by almost 300% between 1899 and 1929), telephones, and a myriad of other products once considered luxuries.[2] Ford’s Model T, once considered revolutionary for its low cost and simplicity, now was out; General Motors, with its different car line for every income class was in. And they say tax cuts don’t work? Tell that to the Americans of the Roaring ‘20s.”

      Sadly, our Congress and the Bush/Obama team have spent so much that 200% plus inflation cannot be avoided, and that will not be the worst that is coming: Deflation in houses and malls but inflation in food and fuel and all imported goods is assured. Get ready or suffer like most will. It has passed the point of return but if enough people vote wisely in November, perhaps it can be slowed down.

      • BD

        So, you seem to have demonstrated the that “optimal” maximum and minimum income tax rates are less than 73% – 25% and 25% – 1%, respectively. Given that currently we have an actual NEGATIVE lowest rate (if one is eligible for earned income tax credits) and about 34% on taxable income in excess of $171,000, seem very likely that we’re pretty near the “sweet spot” of the Laffer curve. In other words, what are you complaining about?

        As for inflation, your fears are irrational because there is so much slack capacity in the economy, between unemployed people, unused manufacturing facilities, unoccupied office space, etc., that it will be a long time before price inflation is really sustainable. To drive inflation, you have to have lots of money out in the market trying to buy things… deleveraging of debt is going to mean all the extra money is going to get soaked up by debt payments, leaving all that slack capacity due to lack of demand.

        Make no mistake, we’ve dug ourselves quite a hole, and what’s going to keep us in it is the refusal of many interest groups to cooperate if it means they might have to compromise an iota of their advantaged positions.

        • BD

          sorry, should’ve been “less than 73% – 25% and MORE THAN 25% – 1%, respectively”.

        • http://www.citizenforfreedom.blogspot.com JOSEPH LARSON

          Taxation has been the ruin of every great nation stating with the roman empire. There is no reason what so ever for tax rates of 35 or 25 or even 15 percent. God gets by on 10%, our government has a less important job to do than God. Even if they do act like they think they are God. 9% FLAT RATE ACROSS THE BOARD IS ALL THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED. PERIOD. If there is a need locally, let the local people take care of it. I don’t like what it will mean but we do need to return to the Gold Standard. I am not a Ron Paul fan, I guess I really do not know much about him, I still see his signs up around the country. But I would rather have Ron Paul than A MARXIST, ALINSKY FOLLOWING, AMERICA HATING, MUSLIM LIKE WE HAVE NOW.

          • eyeswideopen

            Joseph, have you looked at the tax rates for Europe? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_of Europe
            Every civilized has taxes. The US taxes are not that bad. Presently the corporations are making out like bandits due to Bush’s tax cuts, lowest since 1933.

          • DaveH

            Our Corporate tax rates are among the highest in the world:
            http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/June2007/26/c8904.html

            But don’t let Liberals like EyesWideShut convince you to get on the Envy train. Where the Government gets its money doesn’t really matter. It comes from all of us one way or the other, through higher prices, or lost jobs, or scarcity of goods. When Liberals rant about the Big Bad Corporations or the Rich not paying their fair share, they are just trying to get support for more theft by the Government. The Government then wastes that money on useless pursuits or supporting those who refuse to support themselves.

            No Doubt EyesWideShut is a Government Employee who likes her $70,000/year (average) job.

          • eyeswideopen

            DaveH, your Canadian article is wrong, we don’t pay 40%. We also don’t pay an Value Added Tax, while the remainder of the industrialized countries in the world has a Value Added Tax, typically ranging from 15 to 25%. You are not acknowledging that 2/3 of the domestic and foreign corporations thru use of loopholes pay no federal taxes at all, according to the GAO, in Aug,2008. Sorry to bust your bubble but facts are facts, and since 2/3 aren’t paying, we have a loss of revenue. http://money.cnn.com/2008/08/12/news/economy/corporate_taxes/

          • eyeswideopen

            Dave, nope, I own a small business, so I know how the larger corporations are screwing the rest of us by avoiding the same taxes that I pay. Do you think it is fair that 2/3 of the corporations pay no taxes?

          • DaveH

            Sorry to burst your bubble, Ignorant Eyes, but Corporations don’t pay taxes, people do. Corporations are just groups of people. Government just finds them an easy mark to be a scapegoat for more tax extractions. It’s not hard for government to play on your jealousy to get you to support more of their theft. Get some morality EyesWideShut.
            And you don’t know what each country pays in various taxes. Neither do I. The difference between you and I is that I don’t pretend to know every detail about every country. And what difference would it make anyway what other countries do? Only Ignorant Liberals want to imitate the folly of other countries.
            Unlike you, I don’t sink to the lowest common denominator. I strive for betterment.

          • DaveH

            Another thing, Ignorant Eyes, I read your article, and it simply stated there was no income reported from those companies. It’s called an “Income Tax” for a reason. No Income, No Tax.
            Most so-called tax loop-holes (a favorite Liberal word) are nothing more than tax deferrals to a future date.
            And you’re one of the Ignorant Liberals that supports the politicians that create the ridiculously complex US tax code, so don’t complain to me about the companies that use the rules to their advantage.

          • eyeswideopen

            DaveH. it is very apparent that you are pro-corporation, however you are anti-American, as you require individuals to only work in those professions or jobs that you deem to be acceptable. If you are a policeman, fireman, teacher,military, coalminer, government worker or belong to a union, you treat them like they are illegals robbing the country. I have asked you many times which jobs are acceptable to you, with no response. These corporations who pay no taxes are your heros. You want exceptions made for them, while railing at the people who are employed but are in the wrong types of jobs according to Dave. You have such a biased pro corporation attitude, that it is obvious you don’t want any rules or regulations for those corps, but the middle class worker must only work in the “correct” profession to get your respect. I respect anyone who has a job, regardless of the type. You wouldn’t even agree to a flat or fair tax, as that would mean your buddies, the corporations, would have to pay.

          • eyeswideopen

            DaveH, if you don’t pretend to know what other countries pay, why were you making statements that we pay the highest taxes? You just contradict your own statement. We don’t pay the highest and you can never admit when you mis-speak.

  • Carol Goodwin

    What is wrong with the gold standard? Of course, the Federal Reserve can’t print more when it runs out! When you run out of money, you stop spending and find ways to do it the ‘old fashioned’ way; you earn it.
    If every member of the House & the Senate performed as Dr Paul, there would be no deficit. If they would indeed perform as representatives of “The People” they would be as parents are to their children and do things for the big, long range picture for future generations, instead of stealing from funds from which they have no right; i.e. Social Security and Medicare. These funds should be in a separate, special account and untouched except by those of us who paid into them, which none of these thieves have paid a dime!
    Where does ANY commentator get the idea that they are authorities on how our country should be run?

    • Grampy

      Social Security was in a separate fund until a past Democrat President changed that.

      • AnhydrousBob

        Still, Social Security was a Ponzi Scheme from the beginning. It is not a viable system and never was – it doesn’t matter if someone stole the money – all they did was hasten the inevitable.

        Secondly, it is Not Constitutional.

        • Meteorlady

          SS was not a ponzi scheme. It was supported through taxes on working people. When I was in college it was projected that SS would last and have a surplus for 100 years or more. When the government saw all that money, they just started robbing the fund for non SS things, then they added more people to the roles by changing the rules in the middle of the game. So, it is not a ponzi scheme its out and out theft by our government.

          • Claire

            Meteorlady–You are 100% correct.

          • Joe H.

            Meteor,
            And if you are like me and my wife, you have been paying into it for many years, and now when I’m getting close to the age to collect it won’t be there. I will be 65 in just over 5 years and the age I can collect is 65. My wife is three years younger and she has to wait for 67. It won’t be there for either of us as far as I can see!!!

          • Meteorlady

            JoeH: Perhaps we should sue the Federal Government for stealing our money and ask for it all back. I think we are entitled since we did pay into it for years and years and years.

  • Frank

    The Gold standard was NOT in any way the cause of the Great Depression, thats absolutely WRONG. The FED was the cause as it siphoned money out of the economy. This is a well known fact and this preposterous LIE has been resurrected to justify the FEDS CRIMINAL existance! Blaming the Gold standard is like blaming the US for the Normandy Landing = Had the germans not started WWII we never would have landed in Normandy! The Gold standard was the last ROADBLOCK to the FEDS total Dominance.

    • Celeste

      Amen Brother, Amen.

    • American Citizen

      I’ve always wondered why we were taken off the gold standard as now we have nothing behind our money. It’s becoming more worthless every day the way things are going.

      • Meteorlady

        We were taken off the gold standard so the Federal Reserve could print money at will and try and control the economic conditions in this country and even perhaps the world. If the money is backed by gold, it’s only worth what the gold is worth. Are we even sure that the US still has gold? When was the last time anyone actually went to the vaults and showed it?

      • eyeswideopen

        American, Nixon took us off the Bretton Woods system in 1971 and no major economies have used a gold standard since that time. This link will give you explaination. http://economics.about.com/cs/money/a/gold_standard.htm

    • Robert

      Bravo someone gets it!!

  • Ken

    If Willard Romney is a conservative, then I am an professional athlete. The guy brought homosexual marriage to MA, (claims the court did it when the MA constitution specifies only the legislature can determine marriage matters), Obamacare care to MA and broke the state, and last but not least, $50.00 co-pay abortions courtesey of Romney care. Don’t forget the democrats and homosexuals he appointed while governor. They out numbered the conservatives he selected.

    • Jay brown

      Ken your comment belongs with the neocons. Homosexuality has no place in this conversation. The views you express belong with the old racist democrats that are now neocons. Gays have every right strait people have as expressed by the constitution and personal liberty. Ron Paul has said gays can marry and it’s up to churchs not states to marry people. If you want to control religion I suppose you would do better with the Taliban. You don’t have to condone it hell you don’t have to like it but if hoMo
      osexual behavior doesn’t affect your liberty stay out of their bussiness and they will stay out of yours. The beauty of liberty is it is the most inclusive idea possible. It expresses individualism which means no controlling what people do or think. You have the right to hate gays (as long as you don’t perform any violent acts) and they have the right to marry (as long as they don’t force it on you).

    • Meteorlady

      While I’m not for abortion, I will defend a woman’s right to have one. That’s because not everyone has the same belief system that I do and because every woman has a right to control their lives regardless of what I believe or you believe. As for homosexuals, I’m really not a big fan, but if you are an American citizen and pay your taxes, you deserved to be treated equally. The problem with freedom is that everyone wants to get their views of how the world should be into a law. They also want to impress their moral and religious values on the rest of society. That erodes the system and eventually takes away most all of our rights little by little.

      • eyeswideopen

        Meteorlady, You stated every thing that I believe. Thank you, as it was very well stated.

  • trueamericanist

    Ron Paul is the most honest Member of Congress. He also has the best voting record in the history of Congress. The only negative thing about getting him elected as President is that he would be about 75 years old, and many people would be worried about that, even if was not a realistic fear. Any Republican who does not support Ron Paul is either woefully uninformed, or is a stinking RINO. And the so-called “neo-Conservatives” are not true constitutionalists, certainly not libertarians, hardly even americanists, and have their roots in the Trotskyite movement, hence they are advocate of big government.

    • Joe H.

      TrueAmericanist,
      The answer to his age is to make sure he has a running mate with the same values as he. but remember one of the good presidents we had, Reagan was old also and he had no problems with the rigors of serving!!

      • trueamericanist

        I certainly agree with you about Ron Paul and his capabilities not being hindered by age. He is still the same Ron Paul I have known since 1976 and I have no problem with his age. But others might, unfortunately. I hate to burst your bubble, but I also knew Ronald Reagan before he was President. A wonderful man with a good Americanist philosophy and traditional values. But, by 1979 he was clearly showing signs of mental fraility and naivite to those of us who knew him personally. There was, unfortunately, some truth to the citicism of his mental difficulties which clearly minifested themselves after he left th Presidency. For just one example, he promised me that he would abolish OSHA, DOE, and EPA. But when his aides discovered what our topics of conversation were, he was permanently shielded from me, and I never spoke with him again after July 1980. His CFR neocon advisors controlled him far too much. He had lost his independent thinking, and unfortunatley he helped the conspirators expand the fedgov. This would not happen with Ron Paul.

        • Joe H.

          I willl tell you the same thing that SC said to me the other day when he thought mistakenly that I had insulted R. Paul. You sir demean a man whose shoes you are not fit to shine!!! Sorry, but I will not allow you to go unanswered!!!

          • American Citizen

            Joe, where did he demean him? I don’t find it. If you mean about Ronald Reagan, that tends to happen to a lot of old people. That’s why I voted for Sarah Palin instead of John McCain. How do I know this? I’m in my 70′s myself and know many people the same age as I am. Our favorite topic of conversation when we see one another is our health problems. The office of Presidency is the most rigorous office there is. If you’re observant, you’ll notice how fast whoever is in office ages.

          • Claire

            American citizen–You are correct. Look how quickly Clinton’s hair turned white. And the last time I saw Obama on TV it looks like he is getting grey. And yes, the job of being President has to be nervewracking, a lot of stress. I would probably be worked up all the time if I were President. It does not matter who is President, it is a thankless job.

          • Joe H.

            American Citizen,
            I do not and will not believe his statement that Reagan personally promised him a thing until I see proof!!! I was born at night but not last night!!!

          • Motor Bayb

            American Citizen – my husband is 67 and I’m 65. We distance ride on our motorcycles, play tennis, work out three times a week and play golf at least 3 times a week. 3 years ago we rode our motorcycles to Alaska from Utah. I think we are not brainless and old, though we may look older, and I certainly have more to talk about than my health. So Ron Paul is in pretty darn good shape.

  • http://AOL Linda

    Ron Paul looks great to me. He stands for everything American, he represents the people. The giant has awakened, I would vote for him for President of the United States. One thing I know for sure, anyone who talks against him, I will not vote for. Who do they think they are? Right now we need serious help with our government and to save our Republic, everyone is welcomed, especially Ron Paul!

  • Tazio2013

    Currently, the odds are great against a “Pragmatic Jeffersonian Libertarian” becoming POTUS 45 on 01/20/13 due, in the main, to the 35% white, myopic, tea-bagging, pro-war, statist, FNN-viewing, palin/beck/limbaugh-loving, crusading christian conservative xenophobic bigots who do not understand the Law of Unintended Consequences. However, when the price of gold more than doubles in the next few years and the dollar is worth a peso, maybe then a sufficient number of open-minded, clear-thinking, freedom-loving, pro-peace, anti-fascist Americans will vote for the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Semper Fi!

    • Meteorlady

      Ah, by then we will all be with John Galt and supporting ourselves through work and trade with each other.

  • Ben

    I believe David Frum, and this is my personal opinion, loves seeing Muslims getting bombed to bits.

  • http://WorldNetDaily WKKornblatt

    The best way to guarantee a Democratic victory in 2010 is to pursue the three party agenda. The democrats will vote in mass for their canidate as they always do.
    If you want a conservative victory, then combind the Tea’ers, Libertarians and the Republicans. All three parties exhibet conservative values.
    Join together and throw the slugs out!

    • Frank

      I Understand and agree with what you say, however, any candidate that the Republicans present to us is most likely a shill. The elites may give us 1 or 2 real people like Ron Paul, but the rest are their people.
      I know that a Third party has never historically worked, but thats because there were never enough members to support it, and never enough of a reason to leave the main parties.

      The Line Must be DRAWN HERE and NOW!

      The Time is now to rally behind one and push it so hard it screams!

      Believe me, if during the primaries they show a 90% decrease in voter turn out, it will start a panic like you wouldnt believe.

      I myself have Joined the Libertarian Party (obviously I can vote for who I want) but I removed myself from the Republican list to reduce it by one. Now imagine if the number of registered DEM/REP drops by 90%..think you’ll start to raise their eyebrow? You can still vote however you want=but if no one shows for their party..guess they’ll be wondering why they got all dressed up!

      • Shaleena

        I agree. Never before have there been so many disgruntled people from both parties. I am not a Republican anymore. I have not changed, the party has. I know of many more tea party people who feel the same way which includes those who used to be Democrat. Both sides have lost support. To return to these parties is like returning to an adulterous spouse, no guarantee they will reform.

        There are many more Independents now because they cannot identify with either party which really opens things up. Anything is possible. Do not blame the voter but the politicians. At least Ron Paul would correct some very serious problems, the first being our money system. How could he be worse than what we have? The CONTROL GRAB that is going on now is extremely scary!

        Educating the voters is a big key and many do not realize what is going on with our money system and just how corrupt politicians have become. With the capacity we have to communicate to the masses, there is no reason millions should be ruled by a corrupt few. Please wake up or we all go down together!

        • American Citizen

          I think it’s more important to vote for conservatives to serve in Congress. That’s where the real power lies.

      • Joe H.

        Frank,
        Remember, if a progressive gets to run on the republican ticket and wins, don’t gripe!!! the only way you have a right to gripe on who wins that primary is to vote in it!!! If you are no longer a registered republican, no vote!!!

    • Meteorlady

      OMG – you people never cease to amaze me. You keep voting for the candidates in the same two parties year after year after year, and expect different results. YOUR VOTE IS NOT WASTED if you cast it for the candidate you truly believe in. The news media and the two parties have spent years brainwashing you into believing you “waste” your vote when you don’t vote for their candidates. They bawl and whine whenever they loose and blame any third or independent candidate for stealing their votes. They just weren’t good enough to get all the votes and they should just accept that and go home.

      • Joe H.

        Meteorlady,
        I will ask you one question. would you rather see this country be ruined beyond any possibility of repair rather than vote for someone that has a chance to win and at least stall that destruction??? From what I have seen of your posts, I would not guess that, so please don’t say I am brainwashed. I have been very civil with you!

        • Meteorlady

          Sorry JoeH. I have a strong opinion about voting for the person that I think will best represent me and my views. If that means voting for a third party candidate or an independent that’s what I do. When I was in Washington State a few Libertarian candidates actually got elected when the news media told us all we were “splitting our votes” so it does work sometimes. If enough people leave the two parties and don’t contribute any more money to them, a third party or independent could actually get somewhere.

          • eyeswideopen

            Meteorlady, since the Conservatives and Libertarians don’t really agree on anything except fiscal spending, how do you think those two camps will be able to merge into a third party? I can’t see the Conservatives allowing Libertarians freedom to do what they want with their bodies, or allowing gays, to just be gays, and the religion thing undoubtedly be a sore spot. Just wondering how you think they can merge?? Thx.

  • Tuberz

    No doubt Ron Paul has the message. One question! – can he deliver it in an acceptable, believable manner so the masses can hear it and understand it? Sad to say – but you are going to have to dress his ‘presentation’ up or we will see liberals and democrats clinging to our current mess because of fear of the real change we need. This isn’t about conservatives only. We need the vote and that includes many dems who are on the line right now. Make it believable!

    • Joe H.

      Tuberz,
      As DaveH told me the other day, we need to clean a little house this year and finish the job in 2012. Then paul would have the needed support!

      • Ron

        I wish everyone would get off about Ron Paul’s image. It seems like people still prefer style over substance. The man has courage and integrity to speak the truth. His anti- big government and anti-war message stands out from the rest of the contemptible members of DC, who speak only in meaningless catch-phrases.

        Everyone gets all embarrassed that he’s too old, his speaking style is not slick and smooth like a car salesman, that he does not play political games to win allies. We have been duped for years by politicians who have done all those things, and were has it got us?

        Does truth have to come in a pretty package, in order for us to be saved by it? Doesn’t anyone realize that Ron Paul is not about saving us, but him giving us the ideas to do it ourselves? That’s why he is so ambivalent about running for President. He knows as one man he cannot effect the changes—It’s all about citizens demanding change.

        So stop complaining about his lack of style. Listen to his message, and run with it. Get out of the horse race mentality between parties.
        It’s not about who wins the election, it’s who that wins the hearts and minds with the truth.

        • Grampy

          Will said Ron.

        • http://Don'thaveone Sally

          We have to dress anyone we want to win up. How do you think Obama won – of course with his slick tongue – we have to get the message out in TV land on all channels – so the idiots that vote party only will hopefully get the message – if they don’t we again are doomed because “The Democratic party is for the working man – The republicans are for the rich” attitude. They vote for whoever is going to give them the most period paragraph and when that one gets into office and they don’t get their pockets lined, when the election comes up again, they do the same thing all over especially if they are born again democrats. They ARE NOT educated enough nor do they want to know what is really happening. Your average democratic voter (now I’m saying averabe)profile is a factory worker usually under a Union that tells them what and how to do anything, goes to work for someone else, comes home, drinks beer and watches TV, goes to bed, gets up and goes to work. Whereas, most small business owners who have to meet payroll and sell their services are most Republicans – and as Dave H above pointed out in articles the super super wealthy are Democrats. We have to play to the workers of America to change and vote Republican. Too bad we cannot change the name of the Democratic Party to Socialist Party which it is – then they would loose those votes because Socialism is a dirty word that the low levrls understand.

          • Claire

            I believe the Repubs fit right in the same category as the Dems. Neither party is without corruption.

          • eyeswideopen

            Ron, the largest private corporation in America makes 90billion a year, it is Koch Industries who is Republican/Libertarian owned. Look it up. They started the Cato Institute, Americans for Prosperity, John Birch Society. You need to do some research before making such a generalized statement about the Dems. corporations having all the money. Libertarians aren’t doing too bad having such a rich corporation backing them. Probably why DaveH, is so pro-corporation, and anti working class.

          • Meteorlady

            Eyes: Once again you quote something that is wrong.
            Here’s a list of the top 100 corporations and I don’t see yours.

            http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/global500/2008/full_list/

          • Meteorlady

            Well largest privately held corporation is Cargill. Koch is second and it’s founder Koch actually did help start the John Birch Society. What’s wrong with that? It’s an organization with many of the same view that are advocated by the Constitutional Party and the Libertarian party. They oppose redistribution of wealth and smaller federal government among other things so they can’t be all bad.

          • eyeswideopen

            Meteorlady, I know you are a seeker of knowledge, please do some research into the John Birch Society prior to just thinking that they are some wholesome organization. http://sites.google.com/site/ernie124102/vonbrunn

            Do you honestly think that a company making 90-100billion dollars should be exempt from paying taxes?

            When you said I was wrong, did you mean because I was using 2008 info about the Koch Industries and they are now rated #2? Or was there something else? I am sorry, that I used 2008 info, don’t like to use 2009 as it is still being compiled.

        • Claire

          Ron–Agreed.

        • DaveH

          Ron,
          I love your comment and your passion.

          • DaveH

            You’re right, we need to elect people that can get our country back to Freedom. They don’t have to be fast-paced, smooth-talking leaders, in order to butt out of our personal choices and personal responsibility.
            Anyway, I Hope that I can be as “slow” as Ron Paul when I get to be 70.

        • Joe H.

          Ron,
          I have no problem what so ever with his age, I voted for Reagan, twice!! I also have no problem with his appearance, I also voted twice for Bush!!!

    • Meteorlady

      I for one think it would be refreshing if I had something other than a packaged box of cereal to vote for in ANY election. It would be great to have a candidate stand there and honestly tell me what his beliefs are an what he will do if elected.

  • Troy Independent

    I am impressed with the way that Dr. Paul has raised up our nation to stand against the tyranny that our representatives of the last 4 decades, except for Reagan who did have his faults however, have placed upon us. After watching CPAC I have gained a new respect for the man. I have to admit that during the presidetial elections I saw him as a fumbling babbler, but today I have to say that I would support a presidential ticket with his name on it. I would have to say that at that time I was lost in the ignorance that so many of our fellow americans are still suffering from; ignorance means a lack of knowledge I might point out to keep from offending those who misunderstand the word. I believe, and have for a long time, that it is time for our lazy butts to pull the lollypops of prosperous spoiling out of our mouths and begin to be active participants in our government as a democratic society cannot remain democratic without the poeple steering the wheel. We must stop propogating the idea that our individual vote does not make a difference and get involved. We are the greatest country in the world for now, but if we do not stand together and defeat this current system, it will not last long; look at the tide coming in with strong force. Anyway, all of you have a blessed day and keep moving forward. We can together save this great country from ruin.

  • mp934

    In the last Presidential election, I wrote in Ron Paul. The reason, I saw Obama for what he has proved himself to be, an ULTRA Liberal and big spender, and I saw John McCain as a dummy, why else would he admit to being FOOLED by the Treasury Secratary Paulson and Bernake? Because he wasn’t smart enough. The ONLY candidate that spoke any common sense was Dr. Ron Paul, and I will vote for him again. But look at how the money people kept him out of the debates.

    Both the Republicans and Democrats have sacraficed and eroded our liberties long enough, just look at Clinton’s NAFTA treaty shipping our jobs overseas, and look at Bush’s Patriot Act taking away even more of our rights.

    It’s time we got some HONEST politicans like Ron Paul back into our government. But as long ast the Supreme Court allows big spenders to determine who we get, we will never see that day.

    If you are truly intersted in how our government got to where it is, and without ANY way to stop it, please read the “HOLOGRAM OF LIBERTY” by Kenneth Boyce (Javelin Press 1997). It all started with the Supreme Court’s decision in Marbury v. Madison (1803), in order to help the government to extracate itself from the confines (straigtjacket) of the Constitution.

    Some of our forefathers saw what was comming. As Jonh Adams said:

    “It is freedom, gentlemen. It is freedom and not a choice of the forms of servitude for which we contend. We entertain no jealousy of the present Congress, but who knows but in some future corrupt times there may be a Congress which may form a design upon the liberties of the people. And will it be difficult to execute such a design when they have the absolute command of the Navy, the Army, and the purse?”

    Just look at the corruption in our Congress now! And who, but they, controls the Navy, the Army and the Purse.

  • Michael

    Frum is an absolute MORON! The depression was not caused because we were strapped by the the gold standard. I find it amazing that these so called “experts” can say anything even things that have no basis in reality and are not even questioned! Even though we were technically on the gold standard in 1929, we were still using a currency that “WE THE PEOPLE” did not control and that the “Fed” (the PRIVATE Corporation that controls our currency…unconstitutionally I might add) manufactured the depression through their calculated policies and FDR’s executive order confiscating of the American peoples gold!

    The depression was caused by the same thing that caused the collapse we are seeing today, “The Fed”!

  • Airangel

    Go Ron Paul – keep it real! Anyone that fights for health freedoms and stands “against” Big Pharma otherwise known as maffia medicine has my support…He is last mand standing with any integrity and morals as far as I’m concerned…I hope it catches on!

    • Sue

      Totally have great respect for Ron Paul. I have support him. He tells it like it is. He is right about our Government being in the wrong and not working for the People who pay their pay checks and health care. See the president now we have does not know how to say DEPRESSION, just Great Ression, b/s, it is like the People of the U.S.A. are not stuck on stupid and paused on ignorance. The ones that are scared of Ron Paul are the ones making money off Big Corporation’s, Insurance Co’s, Wall Street Criminals, Hidden ajenda in our Government, closed doors so the Public knows nothing. I did not beleive Obama when he said transparent. He stud-dered. Obama has not control. Ron Paul knows that. Our Government is as corrupt and even more so than ever. I have worked hard for over 30 years, and still paying into the system, and do not have a problem wiht it, but do have a problem with the deep pockets of our Politicans that rip the American Hard Workers off. Get real if people do not see it, they are blinded by rainbows. I just see a snow job, and everyone in denial. So get your shovels out and clean up the poop, cause more crap is going to hit the fan. And the Middel Class to Poor are the ones that will have to clean up after it. Most of our Politicans are on the ignorant train going the wrong way on a one way track. Just shaking my head, but Big Supporter of Ron Paul.

  • Airangel

    BTW…age has no bearing…Granparents are raising their grand kids, seniors are still working thanks to Wall Street and many elderly have more stamina and health than their younger counter parts so you can’t judge someone based on age alone

    • Claire

      Airangel–truer words were never spoken!! I know several couples that are still working and raising their grandkids. And I have twice as much energy and gumption than a twenty-year-old. I see it at work. “I have a headache” “I don’t feel good today.” I’m tired.” This is what I hear from some of the younger bunch. How many times have the older people gone to work feeling like crap and still do their jobs??!!

      • DaveH

        Claire,
        I’ve done that most of my life. It really irritates me that the low-lifes, most of whom are much healthier than me, can convince themselves that it’s okay to steal my money through Government.

        • Claire

          DaveH–I know exactly what you mean. A couple I know played the government for every cent they could get. The guy claimed disability with a bad back and yet he bowled on a team. They filed bankruptcy twice and kept their house. They leeched from the government every which way, and came out smelling like a rose. And the government never caught on to their shenanigans. They used to brag about it to everyone they knew. It was like the world owed them. They went to the river boat every Saturday night and went to church every Sunday. It is none of my business how people live their lives, but when it comes to people like this, it makes me angry because I am supporting their sorry butts as well as myself.

          • American Citizen

            It happens because even though people know what people like them are doing, they do not report them.

          • Claire

            American Citizen–they were reported, but nothing was done about it. A bunch of us reported the facts, and we were treated like we were the nutjobs. We were told it was “none of our business” that the state of Illinois KNEW what they were doing and “procedures” were carried out properly.

        • eyeswideopen

          dAVEh, But it is ok, for you to steal my money by not having insurance, when you have bad health? I really don’t want to pay an extra thousand dollars a year in premiums to cover people like you. You are stealing my money, so how about not critizing others doing the same?

          • DaveH

            How am I stealing your money, Harpy? I have in no way solicited you or anybody else’s money for my healthcare.

            This folks, is how the Socialists like EyesWideShut work. First they institute give-away programs, like healthcare, taking the money from hard-working, responsible citizens. Then they use those programs as an excuse to take away our freedom. If we are foolish enough to let these thieves pass the Healthcare Bill, they will soon be telling us what to eat, how to exercise, and what activities we are allowed to participate in.

            And also notice, folks, how these Liberals, like Eyes, espouse their compassion for their fellow man, but then turn around and attack somebody like me for my accidental health problems. Because, the truth is, they have no compassion. They just want to control other peoples’ money and decisions.

          • DaveH

            Another thing, Ignorant Eyes, how would I affect your insurance rates? I’m not covered by your insurance company. They don’t pay my bills. Unless, of course, you thieving Liberals get a bill passed that they have to pay for people that aren’t even policyholders.

            Get your shots, EyesWideShut, before you bite somebody.

          • DaveH

            And if you ignorant Liberals get the Healthcare Bill passed, the rest of the citizens can thank you and your cohorts for forcing them to pay for my health problems.

            By the way, thanks for your “compassion”, you lying Liberal.

          • eyeswideopen

            DaveH. every time you and people like you go to the emergecy room or get admitted to the hospital who don’t have insurance, someone covers that cost. Hospitals raise their rates to cover the uninsured and it is passed on to those of us who have insurance. GAO recently stated that it costs the insured an additional thousand dollars a year in premiums. Are you going to argue with the GAO? Your actions are just like the illegals who aren’t covered.

          • http://wwwNRA.com Stephaan

            Eyes blinded by the truth!
            There are an estimated 15 to 20 million ILLEGAL ALIENS in the U.S. that are getting FREE MEDICAL CARE every time they go to the hospitals, or clinics. MEXICANS WHO ARE NOT CITIZENS, & WHO HAVE NEVER CONTRIBUTED ANYTHING TO THE U.S. ECONOMY. I think you can give Dave H. a pass on this one. He is only 1/20000000 of the equation! Do you see how ignorant your complaint is????? No, I didn’t think so. Anything for an argument from the loony left…………….

          • Joe H.

            eyessolderedshut,
            Can you prove that DaveH doesn’t pay cash or make payments to pay off his visits if he goes??? No you can’t so like I told you your arguement hasn’t a leg to stand on nor a brain to take it back!!!!

          • Meteorlady

            Eyes – I disagree. People at least have a right not to purchase insurance if they can or can’t afford it. While it does add to the cost of medical treatment if they do not pay their bills, they will also find themselves hounded by collection agencies and eventually may even have to declare bankruptcy. Now if you add all the people onto the roles for Medicaid you can see what happens. Our taxes go up to support a badly run program and we get waste and fraud. That is much more than DaveH would cost us if he didn’t pay his hospital bill. Illegals and immigrants cost us more than the DaveH’s ever have or will so you need to open those baby blues and really check out the costs and where they come from.

          • Meteorlady

            Stephen – there are a lot more than 15 to 20 million – there are more like 34 million! We also have been letting people immigrate to this country who go straight to the social services system and start taking our money. These “immigrants” also act as their own bankers so they do not show an income and do not pay taxes in this country. So, if we change our immigration laws to only admit people that can afford to support themselves and actually are honest and hard working, we might be able to get out of this crap we are in right now. Heck, way back Eisenhower deported 8 million in order to free up jobs for Americans. In the 1980′s we gave amnesty to some 8 to 11 million and we didn’t even check them out because we didn’t have the manpower to process that many. Most had forged paperwork in order to comply with the terms of the amnesty. 10 years later those 8 to 11 million blossomed into 15 million when they brought their families here. 10 years later some 75% were still on public assistance and either not working or working in low paying jobs. If we deported the ones that are here now, we could free up around 15 million jobs and believe me, the people that have had their unemployment benefits run out would gladly take those jobs – brick laying, tiling, roofing, framing, even working on farms and picking apples.

          • eyeswideopen

            Meteorlady, I know you like Dave, however, he can’t be accusing others of stealing other peoples money, while he is stealing money from those who have insurance, thus underwritting him when he or his wife end up in hospital. There are 30 million who don’t have insurance, most of those thirty million don’t have $50,000 just sitting around to pay if they get hurt or sick and have to spend 4 days in the hospital. Why is it that you defend him, stating that his cost is small? He is part of the 30 million, that costs all of us. It would be different if it was just Dave who didn’t have insurance but it isn’t. Just because you like someone doesn’t mean he is doing the responsible thing. If I had stated that I didn’t have insurance, you people would have been all over me, saying I was stealing your money. Little hypocritical don’t you think? He is the reason they are trying to force people into a program.

          • libertytrain

            eyes, I do get confused by your DaveH healthcare debate. If Dave pays for the health services he uses – what does it cost us? Granted, there are those that don’t pay, but what makes you think Dave doesn’t pay his bills – sounds like he’s got things under control in the money department? Insurance, as a rule – unless you work for some parts of the government – does not pay all your health bills, leaving people to pay for them (or not pay the balances due) – so to me, your argument against Dave H just makes no sense?

  • Paul Schnake

    I have a lot of admiration for representative Paul, but I believed in the past and still retain the idea that he is unelectable as president. A lot of people put credence in the debates and during 2008 he did not perform well.

    • Shaleena

      I used to believe that Paul could not get elected either, but too much has happened. People are waking up and not looking at age and the “visual package” as much as they are substance. We are vetting candidates now instead of just believing what we are told. We are doing the research.

      No one will ever be perfect or agree with what you do on every issue but Ron Paul represents a major one that needs to be changed, so lets not be negative and promote substance over spin.

      I kept hearing the word change during the election. I wanted to hear and see RESPONSIBLE change, but no one was entertaining that concept, just change. I also was hoping I would be wrong about Obama, but it has proved worse than I thought. The amazing thing, it was all so obvious and exposed before the election but it is like people were oblivious to it and just did not care. Some with their little “stickers” on their cars still do not get it. A big problem is where you get your information. Much of it is omitted or had spin put on it, that is causing the great divide between many Americans.

    • Claire

      Paul Schnake—Ron Paul wasn’t even invited to some of the debates, was he? I can remember there was one debate and he was not invited to participate. Fox, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NBC, all of them zeroed in on the so-called “popular” candidates. The media barely gave Ron Paul and some of the others any recognition at all. The media was NOT fair, they were biased. This is one of the reasons why I do not trust the media. Think back, how many questions did they ask the less popular cadidates? They asked the “popular” candidates more questions and I think they gave them more time to answer their questions in some of the debates. The media plays on the minds of Americans and they try to sway people into thinking the way they do.

      • American Citizen

        Nowadays we have the Fox News network. I’m sure if he runs, they will give him the time of day.

        • Claire

          It remains to be seen. I certainly hope the TV channels will give him the recognition he deserves if he decides to run.

          • Joe H.

            Claire,
            I’m pretty sure Fox will as they were the one that gave Hunter coverage. It didn’t help, but they did. the alphabets now, NEVER!!!

      • Meteorlady

        Maybe it’s time that we all DEMAND that each candidate be given equal time on all the networks. It’s only fair and equitable. Of course, that will certainly ruffle the feathers of the execs that run the mainstream media.

        • Joe H.

          meteor,
          And the alphabets will tell you fine when they can pay what the populars do then we will give them equal time. I still remember the old guy that played Walkers friend that owned the bar and grill had to leave because in realo life he was running for some office and they were worried that they would have to give his opponent equal time!!!

          • Meteorlady

            I know – it’s sad that it has come down to who has raised the most money. Maybe we can limit campaign spending? WOW would that put a ringer in the two parties plans.

  • Snowbird In New Hampshire, USA

    I nice combination would be: Ron Paul and Rick Perry!! :-)

    Song: “The Eyes Of Texas Are Upon You.”

    • trueamericanist

      I am in total agreement with you regarding Ron Paul. He is the best of the best. But isn’t Rick Perry the Governor who believes that all near-teen girls in Texas should be required to get the Gardasil innoculation to make them immune from getting HPI form their boyfriends? If some government bureaucrat at any level tried that with my daughter, he would be at risk of a mechanical type of STD prevention being force on HIM by me — castration. Anyone who doesn’t understand individual freedom cannot truly be part of the solution.

      • DaveH

        So true. There are subversive Big Government Lovers everywhere. We need to be extra vigilant.

    • Meteorlady

      NO NO NO – we need Rick in Texas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just kidding – he is good here and has been good for us for a long time. Most of us really like him. Hated to see Kay Bailey Hutchinson come back – she’s running a negative campaign and she’s really not addressing what she will actually do when elected.

  • Phil

    It’s very clear the Republican partys split in many diffrent directions … The leaders you do have don’t have any clear message except Tax cuts for the top 2 % and deregulation which are the same policys that’s nearly destroyed this country…. You better think about getting some leaders that aren’t just rightwing wackos and a message besides taxs cut for the top 2% and more deregulation…….just calling President Obama names that Rush , Glenn Beck and Hannity call our president isn’t going to win you the whitehouse…Ron Paul?…Sarah Palin?… Huckabee?… Lol… Run anybody you have…I will admitt that Ron Paul is the only Republican that has anykind of a diffrent message from the same old republican tax cuts for the rich and deregulation.. Same policys that gave us this recession……

    • tim

      The country needs a leader and BO is NOT a leader. He is Pres, by title only but this admin. is nothing more than amateurs in OJT mode.

      Whoever the next pres. is will have a nasty hole to pull the country out of, and the options are not going to be popular. Like addressing SS, medicare, continuing unemployment benies, welfare, foreign aid, TARPS, jobs bills, etc. All adds up to big govt. There ain’t enough $ to provide EVERYONE with EVERYTHING so we can stay home and get a govt check. Sorry.

    • DaveH

      Where do you get that Tax Cut crap? The top 1% of wage earners pay 40% of the taxes. Any reduction in that percentage is just less being stolen from them.
      As far as deregulation goes, the Government Grows larger by the year. You call that deregulation? Give it up Liberal. Quit trying to distort the facts with your equivocations.

      • DaveH

        For anybody that wants to really learn the facts about Big Government’s effect on economies, look at this website:
        http://www.heritage.org/index/Ranking.aspx

        Click on individual countries for more info. You might want to ask yourself “why do countries like Hong Kong or Singapore get by with such low tax rates?”.

        • eyeswideopen

          Dave, because everybody pays over there. While here only 1/3 of the corporations pay taxes. Too many loopholes for the majority.

          • DaveH

            You may just be the Queen of Made up Facts. “Everybody pays over there”. I guess they just don’t need government anymore because they are all so honest. I’m through wasting my time with your ignorant comments.

          • Meteorlady

            Eyes – what do corporations pay in Europe? You keep harping on taxes and how much the “rich” don’t pay. Some of the tax cuts implements by George Jr. did in fact help me – the marriage penalty for one saved us put me on equal footing with my husband and a single person filing, so it’s not just the rich that got a cut it was every single married couple in America.

          • Meteorlady

            And you got your facts from where???????

          • eyeswideopen

            Meteorlady, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_of_Europe

            Please note that we do not pay a VAT in the US.
            So, DaveH is wrong, we don’t pay the highest tax rate, just another fear tactic that he uses.

          • Meteorlady

            Eyes – you might want to read this one. Seems they are now considering one in this country.

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/26/AR2009052602909.html

          • eyeswideopen

            Meteorlady, so can you ever admit that I was right and Dave was wrong? He made a statement and I was able to refute it, we don’t have a VAT and our taxes are not the highest. I admit when I am wrong, which is frequently, however I don’t see anyone else on this site, ever say oops, made a mistake, when someone proves they are wrong. Must be some Conservative thing.

          • libertytrain

            Eyes, from what I can tell, Value Added Tax vs Sales Tax – a tax is a tax – I like this description – about it being basically a hidden sales tax – and the last last line -
            “Value-added tax (VAT) levy imposed on business at all levels of the manufacture and production of a good or service and based on the increase in price, or value, provided by each level. Because the consumer ultimately pays a higher price for the taxed commodity, a VAT is essentially a hidden sales tax. Originally introduced in France (1954), it is now a major part of the tax structure of most Western European nations. In the early 1990s the U.S. government considered instituting a VAT to fund national health care programs.”

  • Frank

    Remember that this Recession (its really a depression) is merely a symptom of a deeper rooted problem then tax cuts alone will fix.
    There are problems rotting us to the core that these parties are GUILTY of creating or enabling!

  • eddie47d

    Ron Paul is right on target and he deserves to be seriously listened to. Government is too big and our military is far too reaching. We also have these big banks,Pharma and healthcare companies to contend with. They are all breaking us so let’s get to work.

    • DaveH

      Without the force of Government supporting these Crony-Capitalists, they wouldn’t be able to get away with non-competitive practices.
      Government just provides the illusion of “protection” while they and their favored companies are robbing our economy. We need to get back to Free Markets where the consumer is king rather than the self-serving politicians.

      • Joe H.

        DaveH,
        I agree with you 100% on this one, get rid of the most favored bidder list and open up to TRUE competition and you will cut cost for needed products and services in government by at least 33%. A little here and a liitle there adds up to a lot there and a lot here!!! This is the reason I want to see line item veto!!!

  • Tazio2013

    For those of US intellectually capable of understanding/accepting another POV on the rapidly changing kaleidoscope of North American Social Political Economic Existential Knowledge-based Ethical or NA/SPEEKE Reality, suggest we read/re-read carefully the four part editorial by Dr. Edwin Vieira, Jr. entitled “Going to the Roots of the Problem” published today in “The Daily Bell” and previously posted on “News With Views”. If this doesn’t light the fires of freedom within you, then your intellectual wood is wet!FYI, the re-cognition/re-establishment of a De Facto Private Gold Bullion Standard is coming soon to a continent near you and remember ; North America is the single greatest source/resource of precious metals; i.e., gold, platinum, rhodium, palladium, silver on the planet. If you really want some fun, play THE GOLD GAME: Honest Money/Austrian Economics (Gold Bullion) vs Fiat Money/Keynesian Economics (Dollar, Euro, Pound, Yen, Etc.). And please, Mr. Snowbird, don’t combine Rick Perry in the same sentence with Ron Paul.

    • Snowbird In New Hampshire, USA

      :-):-):-)…

  • lex

    After reading all this my add-on would be this it is our responsibility indiviually to know our founding documents. Constitution,Declaration of independence, and Bill of rights. A Government of the people and by the people. If u have read them re-read them. If u haven’t u need to!!! Then u will KNOW what Dr.Ron Paul is saying!!!! The banking act of 1913,is why we are in the situation this country is in today.Get rid of the brainwashing of this whole deal u’ve been taught to believe. There are sights out there u can read these documents,by most of the founders. Thomas Jefferson warned that if we let bankers that inflated and deflated a currency then this country would be BANKRUPT,guess what??? Prior to this banking act our country was never in debt to anyone. There is a whole wealth of Knowledge out there if ur willing to search for the truth. God be with us.

    • Frank

      Right on Lex “Salute!”

    • Meteorlady

      You would need to revise the public school curriculum to actually teach these things – again. They are not and have not been teaching them for some time now.

      • Claire

        Meterorlady—I can remember as a senior in high school we had to pass a test on the Constitution before we could graduate plus all the other tests that were required.

        • Meteorlady

          You are correct – now I asked my 17 year old nephew if he had any of those classes or if he knew anything about the constitution and he said “no, we don’t learn about that”.

          • Claire

            Meteorlady–I can believe you on this!! And sad to say, it is up to the teachers/school district to make sure the kids learn the Constitution. Heck, my kids learned about history and the Constitution in the Lutheran schools!! And the public schools did not have any requirements about learning the Constitution. Sad situation.

  • bill b

    How about.. Ron Paul for pres/Peter Schiff vice pres.Maybe with a new party..The Constitution Party?

    • trueamericanist

      There already is a Constitution Party. It is one of the two good parties. I did not vote for Obama or McCain. I voted for Chuck Baldwin, the Constitution Party candidate. Even better than Bob Barr of the other good Party.
      Ron Paul would be the best candidate for any Party. As for Peter Schiff, I haven’t seen him since he was 12 years old and he would help his father at speaking appearances where we each delivered our messages to the public. Peter was a nice young man then, and from what I have read of his writings, he is a sound Americanist, and I would vote for him. If I lived in Connecticut, I would vote for him for Senator, and also try to get Bob Backlund to run for Congress again.

      • DaveH

        Here is a comparison of some Third parties in the US. Notice from the chart that the Constitution party is in the market of protecting people from themselves, which is what turns off many Democrats:
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_parties_in_the_United_States

        The Libertarian Party is the only political party that supports true Freedom. That is, the freedom to live your life the way you choose as long as you don’t trespass on the bodies and property of others. We don’t presume to know what is best for you. And we also recognize that it is futile, anyway, to try to prevent people from doing what they desire to do. Witness the Drug Wars. Our government has been fighting them now for well over 50 years. Has it done any good? We have lost Constitutional rights, lost big money, and enriched the most evil segment of society (the drug lords). Many innocent people have even lost their lives by getting caught between the rival gangs (drug lords and government).

        • DaveH
        • DaveH

          Some common sense:
          http://mises.org/daily/2495

        • eyeswideopen

          DaveH, you are right, the “war on drugs” started with Pres, Roosvelt, Herbert Hoover, Nixon, Reagan. Notice anything about all those Presidents who created agencies to combat drug problems? Yep, everyone was a Republican.
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_laws

          • Joe H.

            eyescrimpedshut,
            Yeah and with clintoon we got I smoked but I didn’t inhale, I didn’t have sexual relations with that woman. Carter we got a budget so far in the hole I was about to start digging steps. Now we get Obummer i sat in his church for twenty years and never heard what he was preaching!!! Yeah wright!!!!

          • eyeswideopen

            JoeH, you need to not make things so personal. I don’t care who smoked, I care about people trying to impose their beliefs on others to the deterament of the majority. The drug laws are costing us billions to no avail. It hasn’t worked since 1906, so let’s stop doing the same thing. Prohibition doesn’t work.

          • Meteorlady

            Do you understand that wikipedia is something that I can go in and write about or change something that is there? Some things that I have checked after reading wikipedia have turned out not to be so true. I’ve seen a couple of your posts reference wikipedia – you also need to also look for other sources of information.

          • libertytrain

            Meteor Lady – Couldn’t agree with you more re: Wikipedia is not always correct – particularly when you, me or anyone can go adjust it to read a different way —

          • eyeswideopen

            Meteorlady, do you think I should use the sites that are only stating the Conserative view point? It is hard to find sources that you people will believe. To be able to change wikipedia, you have to be a member and they fact check what you attempt to change. If it is not correct they will remove and put it back to what it was prior to you changing it. I refuse to use a Fox news talking point, as they have admitted that they are not journalists and don’t have to check their facts.Even their CEO stated that they are commentators. They are the only news source that people on this site watch, so if you quote cnn, msnbc, abc, cbs or any other network, you immediately discount them. The Washington Post has become so unrealible that it is scary. So you expect others who disagree with statements made to use the Conservative/republican news sources? I hunt long and hard trying to find sources to make points that you won’t dismiss immediately.

  • SC

    Someone earlier likened Ron Paul to Lincoln. That is dead wrong. His views are more akin to Jefferson’s. Lincoln believed in a Mercantilism economy not the free market economy espoused by Adam Smith, and obviously was not for states’ rights.

    • AnhydrousBob

      Excellent point about Lincoln. States rights were severely retarded because of his war – although the question of secession has never been nullified – winning a war does not prove your point is correct.

      At the time of the war many in New England believed that a state had the right to secede (including Lysander Spooner) even though they were against slavery.

      • trueamericanist

        Hurray for Lysander Spooner, one of America’s truly unsung heroes. More people should read his works. I actually knew his grandson years ago.
        But Lincoln — that’s a different story. Some knowledgeable people believe that Lincoln was the first Communist President, not Wilson or F. Roosevelt. Did you know that one of Lincoln’s top advisors was supplied by Karl Marx? And if you really study the history of the times, Lincoln had newspaper editors, ministers, farmers, and others who disagreed with him unconstitutionally arrested and detained without bail or trial. Very much like F. Roosevelt and Earl Warren imprisoning innocent American citizens at the start of WWII because of their ancestry. People like that are not friends of freedom. They should not be praised for anything.

  • SC

    “[i]Maybe with a new party..The Constitution Party?[/i]”
    Umm, that isn’t a new party, but already exists.

    I think the new party should be the Democrat-Republican Party, like Jefferson’s.

  • Richard McMahon

    I believe everyone that has posted here have done their homework and are knowledgeable about the history of our country’s financial demise, as well as our demise on the world stage.
    Unfortunately I don’t believe people can see what is happening to our country. They live in an alternate universe and only know what the once-mainstream media tells them. I can’t believe how bad most networks have gotten.
    Anyone that did any research or paid any attention to everything said about Obama would have known how he was going to run the country as president. He believes in fundamentally transforming America (his words). Unfortunately most of our politicians are progressives and that is why I am a member of Get Out Of Our House (GOOOH.com) and we believe that anyone that isn’t committed to running the country in according with the Constitution as it was written should be voted out of office and replaced by true coservatives.

    • Joe H.

      Richard,
      I fully agree with the TRUE CONSERVATIVES!!!

    • Meteorlady

      Obama won because there were no other candidates that the American people wanted to vote for or knew about. He was packaged correctly by Soros, and other elites, and sent out into the world to win the Presidency. People hated Bush so much (a lot due to the press and alot due to the war) that they just voted for a pig in a poke because they wanted “change”. That changed turned out to be terrible, but I think if you ask people if they would vote for McCain if he ran again, they would say no. Since I voted for neither candidate and, according to a few of you wasted my vote, I can truly say that I educated myself on the candidates and voted for whom I thought was best for the country and represented by beliefs.

  • Frank

    Its Interesting to Note that Gerald Celente forecasted the emergence of a strong third party and the major media shrinking to the point of minor media status, replaced by the internet.

    Like Richard says, we all have done our homework, so the best thing we can do is infiltrate every other forum, organization and spread the word. Then go live and spread by word of mouth which is what I do every day.

  • Rob

    Ron Paul For President,
    He got my write in last time will also get my vote this primary and general election. I can not vote for the stagnating system candidates they all lie, But I am afraid that it is not dark enough yet to see the light of great wisdom and courage.

    Ron will not get the Republican nomination this time either because it is still dusk, but He MUST RUN anyway to show those that are asleep the pathway. We will need someone else in 2016. Let the DEMs have 2012 to speed up the darkness. COME ON NIGHT

    • Joe H.

      Rob,
      Let the dems take 2012?!?!?!? Where do you get that idea??? This nation will not last through a second four of OBUMMER!! It’s true, get it straight!!!

      • AnhydrousBob

        While I don’t agree that we need to “speed the dusk”, we are in a conundrum, here. Rob has simply stated the truth that too many American’s don’t understand the times we are in.
        And, I think the damage is probably already done – although I hope not – that this ship is sinking no matter what we do. Whoever gets elected in 2012 will probably not be able to save us – but if anyone has the knowledge of how to do so it is Ron Paul.

        • Joe H.

          Bob,
          At this time I’m not expecting a savior I’m looking to “stop” the damage, before it’s too late!!!

          • Claire

            Joe H–Right on target. The Lord helps those that help themselves.

          • eyeswideopen

            Claire, this is a better defense for Ron Paul taking earmarks, than what Daveh made. Please see link http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/phillips5.html

    • Meteorlady

      OMG, what the heck would we want Democrats in power for another 4 years? Haven’t the inflicted enough damage on the economy of this country yet????????

      • Joe H.

        Meteorlady,
        I read in that article that it was believed that they should gut the military industrial complex. Do you and DaveH agree with that??

        • Meteorlady

          Hmmmm. good question. The Federal Government was created to protect us with a Judicial system and protect our personal liberties and property.

          I believe that we are spending way more on weapons that we need to. What the heck do we need some of the hugh items they are spending our money on for? I believe that military contractors have been ripping us off for years. We mostly go out on the ground and fight. The terrorists mostly go underground and fight from there. I think we need a stronger intelligence community with smarter people and a better pipeline for communication between local and federal levels. We need to protect our borders and the National Guard was supposed to be here on our soil protecting us, not off all over the world. So am I for a strong military – yes in this day and age I am, but not for the senseless spending sprees that they are on.

  • Phil

    If Republicans were able to get back onto the whitehouse and cobgress they’d go right back to Deregulation and tax cuts for the top 2 %….question…. Why don’t you conservatives feel you deserve or shouldn’t have the same healthcare that your republican politicians enjoy?….. And why is it you believe you should be paying the taxes that your republican leaders don’t pay because their millionairs?..

    • http://Don'thaveone Sally

      Boy are you out of it. Did you read the two sites that Dave H posted above? I new this all along. Did you read that great article above by Richard Pawley, I think not. If you had you wouldn’t have said what you did. Please enlighten youself and read the truth.

  • Frank

    I believe that we need to start ramping up a Third party, as it will take decades to uncorrupt these parties.

  • Tazio2013

    1) Out of clutter, find simplicity.
    2) From discord, find harmony.
    3) in the middle of difficulty lies opportunity.
    – Albert Einstein, Three Rules of Work

    You can only find truth with logic if you have already found truth without it. – G. K. Chesteron

  • Claire

    Typical of the media–another way to lambast a guy that they don’t want in office. I will use my own brain, not the media’s brain when it comes to choosing who I will vote for. And I still say Ron Paul holds the key. If he becomes more popular, the media will be in a frenzy.

  • Barbara Schroeder Hill

    I was at the CPAC gathering last week in Washington DC. I am not sure why CPAC is not reporting this fact!! There were over 10,000 attendees this year at CPAC. Out of those 10,000 only 2,900 voted in the straw vote!! As you well know every Ron Paul backer voted in this straw even if they had to stand in line for 30 mins. or longer to vote. You do the math!! The percentage of Conservatives that attended this gathering did not take the time to vote or ran out of time to find the polling places (there were only two for 10,000 attendees)!!! When the results were announced a very negative response was overwhelming in the very large ball room. The majority of the non voters were not for Ron Paul!!!! For some reason the Media is not letting this be known, but this is an important factor on this Ron Paul vote!!

    • Claire

      Who were they for then?

    • Joe H.

      Barbara,
      I disagree. If they didn’t think it worth the time to stand in line and vote they weren’t true Conservatives, they were RINOs!!!! there is a difference!!!

      • Claire

        Joe H–Good point!!!

  • Mark

    I’ve always thought of America as the comeback kid. Although disillusioned the last few decades I still thing our ability to evaluate and change course is the principal thing that made America great.

    I’m less of a patriot today than I have ever been in the past, but that belief is still there and I would love to see a comeback.

    America is a nation of fighters, and if we don’t fight to change our direction and spoiled leadership then all is well and truly lost.

    The person who wrote this article is just another spoiled wanna be leader who doesn’t get it, and doesn’t want to do what it takes to save this country. Note I said country, NOT EMPIRE. If we lead others will follow, not at the point of a gun . . . but willingly.

    Ron Paul in 2012!

    • Joe H.

      mark,
      with the shape the country is in, you should be MORE of a patriot!!! this country now, more than ever, needs every one of its patriots and needs them to stand proud and strong!!!

  • RC

    The CPAC attendees that booed at Ron Paul winning the CPAC straw poll were Glenn Beck followers who came on the third day of CPAC to listen to Beck’s speech.

    watch?v=3yuZaDRZul4
    This youtube video by HTWW tells this inside information at 4:45

    • Joe H.

      RC,
      that’s strange considering Glenn is a libertarian!!! *Unless they were there to razz Beck!!!!

      • Claire

        JoeH–A thought– I wonder what Glenn, Rush, and Sean would say if someone called their radio talk show and asked them what they thought about Ron Paul.

        • http://www.ccrkba.org. Dartanian

          If I’m not mistaken Ron Paul was on Glens tv show in ’09 (maybe ’08). Glen holds him in the highest regard. His interview was the most serious I have ever seen. Glen was totally serious the entire time, no jokes, no smiles, no shenanigins, nothing.

          • Claire

            Dartanian–I did not see him on Beck’s show. This is good to hear, I am glad you told me this. Especially since the media did not give Ron Paul the recognition that he deserves.

  • eddie47d

    Bush tax cuts are still in place for another year.So they have been in place for a half a dozen years. If tax cuts create jobs then we never should be having all this unemployment. Obama said he’d stimulate the job market with govt. money yet no NEW jobs were created. I UNDERSTAND THE ANGER,BUT DON’T SEE THE RESULTS. Business in my state get’s all kinds of tax relief;some for years,yet they aren’t hiring. Both sides are playing the same fiddle.

    • American Citizen

      Tax cuts work when Congress reins in spending. Tax cuts bring in tons more money, but Congress goes crazy then with the spending. We need to vote in fiscal conservatives. Listen closely to what they say before the election in November.

  • Chris O

    1st Ron Paul did run for president in the 1980′s on the libertarian ticket, he went back to the Republicans because the Libertarian party is so divided & spread out that they cannot learn the art of compromise, & they rarely can get a canidate elected!!! A 3rd party is not what we need!!! What we need is for the people of the USA to wake up, educate them selves & go vote. 2nd we need a honest voting system, I believe that it was Stalin that said that it does not matter who votes, all that matters is who counts the votes! There is only 2 companies that are manufacturing our voting machines that can be hacked & changed during the voting process, i dont trust either one of them. 3rd problem is the mass media, it is controlled from the top down, the news papers & television are controlled by a very small group of some very crooked people. can any body say Bilderbergs? They are very scared of anybody with the fortitude of people like Ron Paul. The British won the revolution in 1913 with the passage of the Federal Reserve. We are still being taxed without representation!!! 4th Paul Schakne is so wrong about the bebates in 2008!!! Fox news had a “You Decide” where during the debates the citizens were allowed to text message in who they thought won the debates!!! Ron paul won the contest in the 1st 3 debates. This embarassed the powers to be so they made sure he was not invited to the 4th debate! the citizines were out raged so he was allowed in the 5th debate, again he won the ” You Decide” Choice of the people. The Fox News guy was making smart ass comments the whole debate about how stupid it was for Ron to even be there at the debates, When he finally allowed the 25 or so hand picked people, that were part of his audiance what they thought about the debates, he was very suprised when they told him “Fox News” that Ron Paul did belong there & that Rons ideas are not that Exotic! The Fox news anouncer became mad, & stared to argue with this group of people, when one of them pointed out how well Ron was doing in the “You Decide” text messageing system that was set up by Fox news, The guy cried out that cant be right, those # are wrong!!! Again Ron Paul the poll that was decided by the people wathching the debate, not the hand picked audiance that was sitting in the crowd! Here in Indiana, I was livid that when i went to the polls to vote, & find Huckabee & romney still on our ticket to vote, They had both pulled out with plenty of time for the ballots to be printed correctly. Ron Paul would have won this state 2 to 1 over McCain, because that many people voted for huckabee & Romney that would not vote for McCain. The GOP is scared of Ron Paul, that is why the pulled divide & conqure here in IN. When i asked why Deniss Kuchanich from Ohio was not on the Democratic ticket, I was told that he withdrew from the race with enough time for there tickets to be printed correctly. Bull. There is a weekly Newspaper that is called American Free Press. It used to be called the Spotlight, I suggest that everybody on this blog look it up!!! The internet version is no where as good as the printed version. They just put the main features on line. GO RON PAUL!!!!!

    • Joe H.

      Chris O.
      Being from Ohio myself I can tell you that anyone that would vote for Dennis the Alien spotter Kookcinich would have to be dead from the shoulders up!!! He makes a progressive look downright smart and conservative!!! what a wierdo!!!

      • Warrior

        Dude, that guy scares the bajesus out of me!

        • Joe H.

          Warrior,
          as well he should!! I don’t think he got any votes on his pres run outside of his district!!!!

          • Claire

            Kucinich comes across as being rather unstable in his beliefs. I don’t think I want any part of him. And I sure as heck don’t want him as a president.

    • DaveH

      Chris,
      In regards to your comment about Libertarians not learning how to compromise:
      That is why we’re in the mess we are right now, because too many people are willing to compromise their principles for perceived selfish gains.

      • DaveH

        And you say “they rarely can get a canidate elected!!!”, but according to Wikipedia “As of January 2010, 143 Libertarians Nationwide, hold elected office”.

        What we can’t afford is to keep betting on those Republican Horses who turn around and defecate on us after the race.

        • Joe H.

          DaveH,
          what major offices? you know senator, congressman, or governor.

  • David of Hawaii

    This Partisan Health Care and other Partisan Wrangling is just more proof that CONGRESS IS BROKEN and WE THE PEOPLE must fix it. VOTE:
    NO to Congress Persons with over 12 or 18 years.
    NO to Congressional retirement & perks
    NO to Congress having DIFFERENT Health Care & Retirement Plan than they give us
    NO to lobbyists
    NO to Congressional greed & corruption
    NO to bailout of banks & corporations
    NO to CEO bonuses on taxpayer money
    NO to Derivatives & money laundering
    NO to lending money not in hand
    NO to brokers selling & repackaging mortgages
    NO to credit card interest >10%
    NO to tax breaks for overseas manufacturing & out sourcing
    NO to foreign oil
    NO to unequal Money Base. Compare cost top 100 items; bread, meat, milk, small car, small house of each country.
    NO to FCC control of internet

    YES TO VOTER POWER.
    PASS THIS TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS over and over before EVERY election till they VOTE “NO” to CAREER CONGRESS PERSONS” VOTE even if you never voted before in your life.

  • Warrior

    Well, it looks like we have finally have reached a consensus. We’ll have the 50 States represented by the 50 state beauty pageant winners. All governing will be perform by internet polling amongst the citizens.

    Our reps will make appearances around the globe, sometimes in bathing suits depending on if they’re visiting friend or foe. I think we’ll have more friends. I’ll bet those perv’s from Iran and North Korea would be our buds!

  • Eric

    I do not know all the stances of the Honorable Ron Paul but I do know that he is the only one that I can see that has the correct answer and stance on the economy and Federal Reserve System. He has been a man of action on this issue and not just words. That is what we the people need to look at when we the people elect our officials at all levels, Local, State, and Federal. Scott Brown played a good gig and convinced the people of Massachusetts that he would actually represent them; I just wonder what his voting record actually looks like from his state seat. Obviously he is a liberal fiscally to vote for the “Stimulus” spend spree package. I wonder if his next step is to flip flop on Obamacare. Don’t be fooled by quick words and folly. Check all candidates vote records and character. Mr. Paul is certainly a formable candidate. I’ve been saying for some 20 years plus that the returns of the gold and silver standards were needed. Personally my opinion of why JFK was assassinated is that he wanted to return to this standard. The gold and silver standards say your money is ensured by something of value and not the legalize theft of the wealth of the people and nation by a mysterious Federal Reserve System that has no accountability and power to print our paper money to the extent to make it equal to the worth of toilet paper that we wipe our tails with. Let’s not be bought out; take our country and freedoms back. Take the responsible steps to do so. Otherwise stop crying. People need to organize and stop letting the party crashers of the two parties to do the thinking for them. Score cards are one very effective means to assist candidate stances showing voting records in conjunction with it. It is needed in for the numerous issues that we do face and would certainly help in our busy schedules. Hopefully the Republican party will not endorse such lame presidential candidates this year as the last few elections. I call them swindlers. Fully resolved to write in a candidate or none of the above if they can’t get their act together.

    • Claire

      Eric–Good post. Regarding Kennedy, I think you are correct.

    • Meteorlady

      Everyone here that has not, should goggle “A Republic if You Can Keep It”. that is a speech that Ron Paul made and should be read by everyone. It’s a great thought provoker.

    • Meteorlady

      I agree about Kennedy. He signed and Executive Order 11110 to stop borrowing money from the Federal Reserve. That would have essentially gotten rid of them. 5 days later he was dead. LBJ took over and ignored the EO, but I cannot find where this was every repealed.

  • Michael J.

    The way Ron Paul talks about abolishing the IRS and auditing the FED, he should learn to duck and cover each time he passes by a grassy knoll or a book depository.

  • http://prepaidlegal.com/hub/raisbeck Wm.

    I agree with MJ about Dr. Paul’s safety.

    A few bars of gold added to Fort Knox – after the abolishment of the privately owned Federal Reserve would lend some credibility and value to our currency.

    The most profitable business last year was the Federal Reserve -$52,000,000,000 (source CBCNEWS). I’ve heard other sources ranging from $46B to $55B. “Fat Cats” sanctioned by Democrat and Republican presidents.

    GO Ron Paul!!! Fundamentally tansform us back!!!

  • American Citizen

    The election in November is very important. Everyone needs to pay close attention to who is running for office in the Congressional races. Do research on them, how they voted on the issues especially. R or D behind their names means nothing if they don’t stand up for the principles upon which this country was founded. If enough people vote for a third party, it would send a powerful message to the rest of them.

  • Shawn of the Dead Democraps

    I can see why Ron worries the conservatives. If he gets any more popular he’ll get 6 or 7 million votes in 2012, instead of the 5 million he got in “08, we’ll have another 4 years of OSAMA in the white house. This country will not survive till 2016 with Obama. We might not make it to 2012.
    Vote for the best man/woman WHO HAS THE BEST CHANCE TO BEAT OBAMA. THAT’S THE ONLY CHANCE WE’VE GOT….Split votes win the presidency for liberals. You saw it happen in ’08′ Don’t let it happen again in 2012.

    • DaveH

      I vote for the best candidate. If the rest of you had quit voting for the “lesser of two evils” 40 years ago, Obama would not have gotten to his first term.

      • Shawn of the Dead Democraps

        It’s time to face facts Dave.
        It was 3rd party split vote wasters like YOU, that put Obama in the white house. You try and blame us, and anybody and EVERYBODY ELSE but yourself!
        Ron Paul was 50 MILLION VOTES SHORT of beating Obama, yet you wasted your vote on him in a pathetic suicide attempt to try and make a point. The only point you made was how worthless your vote was! Trouble is the whole country is suffering now because you chose to cut your nose off to spite your face. To you and your 5 million Libertarian party split voters I say, thanks for nothing Dave.

        • DaveH

          That’s a pretty specious argument Shawn considering that your Republicans and the Democrats have been the only ones in office for as long as I can remember. You sure can’t blame me for the current state of our country. But then, I realize you will anyway because it is the nature of human beings not to accept responsibility for their actions.

          • Shawn of the Dead Democraps

            Dave H says: because it is the nature of human beings not to accept responsibility for their actions.
            ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
            That’s it Dave. You have just identified yourself in your post.
            Maybe you should admit that you helped elect Obama with your split vote instead of trying to influence people to follow you down that path of wasted votes. That would be a start towards accepting responsibility, if you could admit to yourself that you pissed your vote away..
            You voted FOR OBAMA with your split vote. You and 5 million others got him elected because you threw your votes away.
            I like Ron Paul, and voted for him in the primary, but was not going to throw my vote down a rat hole in the general election, and let Obama ride the coattails of split votes into the white house.

        • Meteorlady

          So Shawn – if I take your view I should vote for the most popular guy of the party that just barely come close to what I believe, but are the lessor of two evils. I can’t really vote for the best candidate? When did that happen? I can’t believe that it’s not OK to vote for someone that I feel will represent my best interests and my view when they take office.

          • Shawn of the Dead Democraps

            Sure you can vote for whoever you want as long as you don’t expect to win, and then we can have Obama for another 4 years.
            You may think you’re voting for Ron Paul, but you’re actually voting for Obama. What’s so hard for you to understand about the split votes? Are you just trying to ignore it in the hopes of talking a few more people into wasting their votes too? None of you split voters have given a reasonable reason for wasting your votes yet.
            The liberals are starting to make more sense than you 3rd party supporters. At least they know the value of a vote.

          • Meteorlady

            Since you still don’t get it – I’ll make it simple.

            NO VOTE IS WASTED. A vote is a valuable and personal thing. For years we have been taught about splitting votes. That’s because they want us to stay loyal to the two parties. If you do some research, you will find that these other candidates are getting more and more votes each year and if that continues maybe one day they will actually win.

            The Libertarians have gotten people elected at the state level so it’s a start.

          • Shawn of the Dead Democraps

            Oh but I DO GET IT Meteorbrain;
            I’ve been getting it since Ross Perot, Ron Paul, and Ralph Nader have been receiving split votes in the general elections, and ushering the “wrong winners” into the white house.
            YOU are the one who apparently STILL DOESN’T GET IT so I will make it simple for you. Splitting your votes on 3rd party candidates IS A WASTE OF YOUR VOTE! It is equivalent to buying a gallon of milk at the store and then throwing it in the trash on your way out the door!
            I too, vote for Libertarians on the local and state levels (who can win), and during the primaries I vote for Ron Paul, but when he doesn’t have enough support to win the general election, voting for him IS A WASTED VOTE no matter how you justify it in your own mind! It is simple mathematics.
            I couldn’t care less about being loyal to either of the 2 major parties. I vote for the best man/woman who is the closest to supporting my ideals, AND WHO ACTUALLY HAS A CHANCE OF WINNING!

          • Claire

            Shawn–Why do you have to resort to name-calling?? What is the sense of it? There was no need for you to call Meteorlady the name you posted. Do you have any self-control at all?

          • Shawn of the Dead Democraps

            Claire;
            Pardon me, but I am not perfect. I tend to answer sarcasm with sarcasm. Meteor does not have to put it in “simple” terms for me. I am not simple. I DO GET IT! Apparently “I GET IT” better than she does, since she continues to elect liberal socialists with her split 3rd party vote, and continues to try and get others on here to waste their votes in a futile attempt to elect Ron Paul, when he will never receive enough votes to win the presidency.

          • Meteorlady

            thanks Claire.
            Shawn – I did not wast my vote. No matter what you tell me it’s the person I wanted to see in office, the person that would represent my values and views. So that is the person I voted for. I do not care if you think I split my vote, what I care about is that people like you are voting for people that don’t really believe in and don’t represent their views or values.

          • Meteorlady

            I forgot to mention that I really didn’t vote for Ron Paul because I didn’t get a chance to in the last election.

          • Claire

            Shawn–Okay, if you get sarcasm then most people reply with sarcasm. But, we should not call each other names. We are all here discussing the same issues. In a sense we are all here for the same reasons. We just have different beliefs and ideas. I was really nasty to someone several months ago and to be truthful with you, it really bothered me. I will never do it again. We can hold rational discussions without name-calling. We are all human beings and sometimes it hurts to be called names. I am not a callous person, and I will stand up for what I believe, but name-calling? No. Opinions can be explained without the nastiness. There is enough antagonism in the world. have a great day and I do not mean this sarcastically.

          • Claire

            Shawn–I am not perfect either, and I readily admit this.

  • DaveH

    This will make some of you mad. Some of you might turn to drink to soothe your consciences. And, no doubt, some of you will attack me personally. It’s all right. I’m used to it:
    http://mises.org/daily/4125

    • JeffH

      Thanks DaveH…well written piece and oh so true.

    • http://wwwNRA.com Stephaan

      The only people who will argue with that article are the 65% of criminals in congress who are stealing our money, and the illegal aliens, and welfare cases who congress is giving it to! Coal miser, dungaso, blind eyes, Phul, Timmy, etc will all complain that it isn’t true, but then their opinion is worth about as much as the criminals doing the stealing.

  • http://wwwNRA.com Stephaan

    eyeswideopen says:
    February 28, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    DaveH, your Canadian article is wrong, we don’t pay 40%.
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    Eyes, Are you a Canadian?

  • Robert

    Mr. Paul is on the money about the Fed’s. If the secretary of treasury would take the responsibility of managing the currency like they were created to do, the country would save a lot of money in interest which could be appropriated to social programs. How much interest is paid to the Fed’s each year? Billions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    We need to wake up, the Chicken is in the hen house let’s sick the dogs on him!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • James

      Robert, the U.S. Treasury doesn’t manage the currency. It receives all of the taxes imposed by Congress and disburses funds that Congress votes to spend. When Congress deficit spends, like its doing now, it means there is no money in the U.S. Treasury.
      Did you mean the “Fox” is in the henhouse?

  • DesertPirate

    Quoted:
    “Writing for CNN, Frum suggested that the recession of 1929 turned into the Great Depression because political decision-makers at the time were “trapped” by the rules of the gold standard. Those rules forced them to cut spending and raise taxes during a downturn, thus “capsizing” the economy into depression.”

    Frum is a status-quo neo-con. We were on the Gold Standard in the recession of 1920 when President Harding averted a depression by doing NOTHING!!! The free markets will correct themselves if allowed to. The “GOVT” wasn’t “forced” to do anything, the progressives saw an opportunity to take advantage of a “crisis” (remember Rahm Emmanuel’s famous words)and foist their socialist agenda on America. The first step was a ‘progressive’ income tax under Teddy Roosevelt, then 23 or so years later the “Social” security system was enacted. All the government “help” we’ve gotten since has just furthered the Socialist cause.

  • L.J.

    Ron Paul, what can I say about him? This guy talks out of both sides of his mouth at the same time. NO, i do not agree with his political philosophy although he has come up with some great ideas. The latest issue I give him flak over is the building of the mosque at ground zero. There is ONE, and only ONE reason that the Muslims want to build that terrorist training center, and that is two-fold: rub the faces of those who lost loved ones in the Islamic-backed terrorist attack of 911 with no regard to the sensitivities of the situation and to build it as a sign of victory. That’s it. The Muslims have over 100 MOSQUES IN NY CITY-why do they need another one, this one at this site? The ashes of those killed are scattered on that building which, in my book, makes it sacred ground just like a cemetery is and should be treated as such!
    Islam has ONE and only one goal, and that is to “conquer” the United States and make it a Muslim “state” whereby sharia law is dispensed and our Constitution is thrown out the window. And Obama does nothing about it, instead using taxpayers dollars to fund dinners at the White House for Islamic functions while letting his activist courts rule against Christianity in this country. Obama and his progressive-communist allies seem to forget that their is a 2nd half to the First amendment which they totally disregard (along with activist judges who rule unconstitutionally on issues of faith). Read this if you need a refresher:
    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXPRESSION THEREOF…..
    If you read the first amendment IN CONTEXT, you will see that activist courts ruling that children cannot pray in school, cannot pray on the steps of the Supreme Court and senior citizens cannot pray over their meals because they were federally subsidized, you will see that all of the above, and more, have the exclusive, God-given right to pray where they want to over what they want to according to the 1st Amendment.

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