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Ron Paul Forecasts Military Conflict With Iran

January 2, 2012 by  

Ron Paul Forecasts Military Conflict With Iran

Ron Paul said speaking at an Iowa event last week that Iran would be justified in responding to U.S. sanctions by blocking the flow of oil through the Strait of Hormuz.

“I think we’re looking for trouble because we put these horrendous sanctions on Iran,” Paul told an audience at the Hotel Pattee in Perry, Iowa, according to Los Angeles Times.

Paul contends that the actions currently being taken by the United States against Iran are setting the stage for yet another Mideast conflict. If he were President, Paul said, he would not respond to Iran’s threat of closing the strait with military action, but would report to Congress who could declare war if they wished.

The Republican candidate said a blockade on the strait would be the most likely response to tighter sanctions because Iran has “no weapons of mass destruction” and shutting down the strait is “the most” it could do.

Iran’s top naval commander, Habibollah Sayyari, told the country’s state television last Wednesday that closing the Strait of Hormuz would be “easier than drinking a glass of water” for Iranian armed forces, but some U.S. analysts disagree.

According to CNBC, researchers familiar with the strait say that Iran’s navy does not have the size or resources to carry out a sustained blockade, but could cause problems with mines and missiles. The Bahrain-based U.S. Fifth Fleet is nearby and keeping a close eye on Iran’s activities and said last week that any disruption in the area “would not be tolerated.” Mine-laying or missile activity will likely generate a U.S. response.

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • s c

    For what it’s worth, Ron Paul is NOT the only American adult who thinks the odds of a ‘conflict’ with Iran are better than 50-50. That is in NO way Ron Paul’s fault, people. It hasn’t happened (yet), and it can be avoided if our puppet masters and their trained sheep in Washington can find other ways to manipulate the economies of nations around the globe.
    Since Washington’s mindset is guided by ‘the devil you know’ principle, it should be obvious that TPTB will do anything they can to control who runs for the highest office in America. Isn’t that obvious, folks?
    Ron Paul is entitled to his opinion(s). Free speech still exists, regardless of how much America’s anal retentives on both sides of the political aisle want to end it. They never did appreciate free speech, the 2nd Amendment or anything else that makes American freedom real.

    • 1minuteman

      obama has done everything he can to help iran. he has thrown israel under the bus by helping the muslim brotherhood form the muslim caliphate. ron paul is an idiot like obama to think iran is no threat. they are the largest supporter of terrorism and have sworn to wipe out israel and us. if they get nukes they would gladly give them to alqueda,hamas or hezbolah. ron paul is great on the fed but clueless on forewign policy. keep your head in the sand thinking you can sanction iran to be good.

      • scott

        You’re truly naive 1minuteman!

        • Al Sieber

          I’ll second that!

          • Conagher

            Al, would you and Scott PLEASE explain to us HOW 1minuteman is naive!! A bully anywhere cannot be reasoned with. The ONLY way they react with ANY compassion toward others is when they “are put in their place”.

          • Dntmkmecmoverther

            Scott and Al: No, you two are naive. You evidently know nothing of Iran’s current nor historical culture. You evidently know nothing of militant islam which is in current political power in Iran. And you know nothing of militant islamic history. All of which paint the picture of horror if Iran produces or gets ahold of a nuclear weapon.

            You two need to do a little homework; and then come back here with some concrete answers as to what you would do. Ron Paul’s answer is to not pay attention; which will be viewed by Iran as a point of weakness; to which they will begin to attack us in ways we likely won’t see in time to defend ourselves. That is NOT the kind of leader we need or can tolerate.

          • Al Sieber

            What you need to do is worry about our own govt. who are the real terrorists, I know more than you do about the real issues. our govt. is the real enemy wake up!!

          • eddie47d

            Dntm; You need to explain to us about Iran history so we can be as knowledgeable as you say you are. How many wars have they started in the world in the last 300 years? Don’t tell me they arm Hezbollah which is true but the USA arms dozens of countries in the world and stir up conflicts in the same region. Don’t tell me Iran has weapons of mass destruction because they don’t at this time. That really may not make any difference since we have more than 8,000 nukes. Iran has just as much right to defend themselves as we do so who is really the bully. We are threatening them not the other way around. Who overthrew threw the Iranian government in 1953 and interfered in their internal affairs. That would be us so should other nations be allowed to do the same to us? Before you utter another word please explain your position so we can be enlightened.

          • PatriciaC

            I know some of you (who believe endless warfare is necessary to protect America) are well-intentioned, but when you overlook the magnitude of America’s brutality toward other nations, the illegality of our wars and the way we are behaving as almost a colony of Israel you are letting fear rule you and losing your country in the process. There are so many lies (and there is so much private profiteering) shaping US foreign policy that it is difficult to know what is true in this era. For example, I learned the other night that during the korean war the US killed off about 1/3 of the North Korean population and decimated that country. Were they a threat to us directly? No. Killing off 1/3 the population of another country is a very radical act. This is never written about. We have since that time been standing as a direct threat to their existence for decades. When they want to prepare to defend themselves, we cast them as part of an “axis of evil”. I am not defending their style of government, but we now have a government that may well begin arresting and permanently imprisoning anyone they do not like, without charge. They have made this the law of the land. Our prison population is already as large as North Korea’s – and this is before our government begins running amok. What gives us the right to annihilate countries and threaten their existence for many years without expecting any kind of retribution – or at least some effort by them toward self-defense? The right to self-defense is God-given and not only to us. There is an insanity that drives us and our foreign policy in this era. How would we react toward any other nation that killed off 1/3 our population? We need to find our hearts and maybe when we do our minds will start working a little better, as they used to. In the meantime, the lust for blood has brought us to an end to democracy. Our country is in the hands of people outside our government. Our nation is crumbling. How is all of this war and killing saving us from anything? One day, our own government is going to be killing us. They are already trying to starve many of us to death. They are about to start robbing people’s pensions openly. Give us a break and stop following them blindly. They do not like you. They care NOTHING about defending or protecting you.

          • Jay

            Yes, Dntm, grace us with your knowledge and wisdom. I suspect you are just a big bag of wind!

          • John Hand

            Al, you called someone an idiot, but your ranting and raving about our government being the terrorists makes you….an idiot.

          • Old Henry

            PatriciaC:

            Thank you for saying that. Here is a link that I think would be of interest to all.

            http://www.roadtoroota.com/public/780.cfm

          • Old Henry

            How so, John Hand?

          • Jay

            John, Al just happens to be correct. It’s time to pull your head out of the sand, sleepy-head!

          • JC

            John Hand says:
            January 2, 2012 at 2:37 pm
            Al, you called someone an idiot, but your ranting and raving about our government being the terrorists makes you….an idiot.
            _____________________________________________________________________
            The United States Inc. has been meddling in the economic and political affairs of almost every nation on the planet for well over 100 years now, even to the point of toppling governments and nstalling dictatorships friendly to “American interests”. Which is doublespeak for their playing ball with American corporate interests.
            The people of those nations who end up living under these dictatorships would disagree with you and a great many Americans are waking up to the nefarious actions of our own government. Which as Patricia mentions isn’t even “our” government anymore.
            Wake up!

          • JC

            On another note, the GOP is already setting the stage for voter fraud:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrE15QfbnHA&feature=youtu.be
            The Iowa caucus ballots are to be counted “in secret”.

          • speedle

            Eddie , Eddie, Eddie, more rationalized nonsense from you as usual. The U.S. is the big bad bully who takes advantage of and uses all de poor peoples of de world. How can we possibly criticize poor little peace loving Iran and its gentle loving Imams and statesman like President who is the shining example of tolerance and religious freedom for its citizens (especially women)? How could we question the rational and well thought out objectives of their government (like denying the Holocaust and targeting the extinction of Israel). Why can’t we just give them the same respect and consideration we would Great Britain or Canada?

            You are right Eddie. I don’t know what I was thinking.

          • Joe H.

            JC & Al,
            See, there you are. Give these jackheads a week of high gas prices and a few venomless threats from Iran, and they are ready to whup the world!!! how the hell did this nation ever survive with all these Maroons in and out of government??? I don’t worry about iran, Isreal will take them out if they get nuke capability, NO DOUBT! And THEY know what’s going on over there a whole lot better than OUR idiots in charge!!!

        • http://google rose

          I have to agree that he is naive. We could do them like we did in Japan if they ever become a real threat. The US has become the bully, dictating to other countries what they can and cannot do. Iran is no danger to Israel either. Israel can take care of thierself. We need to quit bullying them into doing what we want them to do also. The Bible says that Christ will defend Israel, so I don’t worry for them. I’m voting Ron Paul!

          • http://queensmary.124online.com QueensMary

            thank you Rose. This is what I have been saying. Our prayers are the blessing that God wants us to give, not armaments. We already did enough of that anyway. Pray for Israel. Vote Ron Paul.

          • Jay

            rose, the Bible says that Christ will defend his elect, not necessarily a nation. Present Israel has committed unbelievable atrocities against her neighbours. As well, according to end-time prophecies concerning Israel, there will be a purging of the Holy land. This i believe, will be for the purging of the despicable Zionist from the land!

          • http://ObserverfromPhoenix Tom the Observer

            Rose, I have read the Bible many times over. I have never found a place where the Bible says Christ will defend Israel. I don’t think Christ came to save just Israel. Also, even if the name “Israel” is mentioned many times in the Bible – the New Testament – it is intended to mean the “Chosen People”, namely all those who acknowledge and follow
            God, regardless of the ethnic group of Israelis. For many Israelis really do not belong to this Group of the Chosen People; they are pretty much against the doctrine of Jesus Christ. After all, who crucified Jesus Christ? God loves everyone, who loves HIM and obeys
            HIS laws.

          • Mary

            Or that’s what Moises said…I think Obama is planing a big war for this year if I’m not wrong that always make the current president electable. People don’t change president when it’s war time in this country which I don’t understand or I don’t want to understand. I’m just tired of all this.

          • Joe H.

            Tom the…,
            you forget one thing when you speak of the isrealites crucifying Christ. Even if that were true, and it’s not, at the end Jesus looked to the heavens and said” Forgive them Father for they know not what they do”. Unlike you, Christ FORGAVE them for the act they had commited!!!

        • Old Henry

          Iran Dntmkmecmoverther? WMD??

          They cannot even make gasoline from their own crude oil. They have to IMPORT their gasoline.

          As I recall Iran was the only ME Isamic country to express sympothy after 9/11. How about erasing the Saudi govt. That is where most of the 9/11 “terrorists” originated. Let’s bomb, bomb, bomb Saudi Arabia.

          How about bombing N. Korea? They HAVE nukes and can hit Japan and possibly our west coast.

          How about bombing China? They HAVE nukes and thanks to Billy Clinton they also have the means to launch them.

          How about bombing Russia? They HAVE nukes and can hit anywhere in the world.

          Hells bells Dntmkmecmoverther, how about bombing Washington DC? They HAVE nukes and HAVE used them. We are the only nation on the planet that HAS used nukes.

      • RockyRoad

        I think SC and 1min make some valid points.

        I believe that we should support Israel to the best of our ability and let the Arab countries run their own countries.

        In many ways America should be more like Switzerland to the point we worry about our own country yet support our friends.

        From Ron Paul:

        “Everyone assumes America must play the leading role in crafting some settlement or compromise between the Israelis and the Palestinians. But Jefferson, Madison, and Washington explicitly warned against involving ourselves in foreign conflicts.
        Ron Paul”

        • delbert

          The constitution is very clear. For any President to abuse his commander in chief discretion creates huge problems. Our resources to protect this Country are vast. We need to “butt out” in the Mideast and allow them to exercise their rights of “self-determination” The muslims in that area have always been at odds with each other..let them find their own way. Israel is a “self-determined” democracy that needs our support like France did with us in 1778. Support them and protect our borders. It costs $138,000.00 per soldier per year to keep them overseas…Bring them home, secure the border and educate them in the fields of shortage and the allow them to ETS out of the Service…..Save the money and allow the world to find its own way…..the Constitution is clear.

          • Marten, Canadian Libertarian

            Agree 100% with you,the solution is to simple!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Warthog0

            Too simple and does not generate cash for the ones who rely on war for profits.

        • firefight

          Rock Road, What Jefferson, Washington and Madison said two hundred years ago is irrelevant to the situation today. We can’t play football today with yesterdays rules. The world is has gotten way too small for that. Ron Paul is a good man but seems, to me, to be too weak in the strategy department. He seems to be a bit weak and even intimidated by world affairs and dealing with foreign crisis. I would support him better if he would simply take a stance to make me feel like he would kick anyone’s ass who wanted to mess with America such as Iran has been doing for the past 15 years or so.

          • Fred

            Ron Paul should be looking for a running mate with good foreign policy opinions.

          • eddie47d

            Now that’s something I haven’t heard on this sight from you all. That what happened 200 years ago in America (Founding Fathers) has no relevance to how we conduct ourselves in today’s world. I thought everything that we believe in dates back to then. Apparently firefight just opened the door with a differing opinion and yesterdays rules may not count.

          • countryboybubba

            What Washington, and Jefferson said about foreign entaglements are as relevant today as when first spoken. Our “A** Clown congress critters” working their mischief in the world arena is what has gotten us into this sorry state we find ourselves.

            Mr. Paul is correct report the actions of Iran to congress make congress do what we the people have put them in office to do, declare war if they deem that the correct action, if not stay out of all other coutries affairs.

          • Boatman99

            Please explain how has Iran mess with the US bussiness, or the world for that matter, in the last 15 years? I would really like to know.

          • metalflyer11

            WOW!!! I can not believe what you just said. What was said or written 200 years ago has no relevance today??? So I guess the Constitution is outdated too so we should write a new one that is more in place with todays war mongering policies of our government.
            Good Thinking “firefight”
            I guess the old quote of “those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it” is totally irrelevant today.
            You want to know the truth??? TURN OFF THE STINKING TELEVISION and start reading relevant books publications from all sourcess. Then and only then you can think for yourself and make your oun mind. Otherwise it seems to me that so far all you can repeat back is whatever fear war mongering propaganda you watched on TV or read on USA today.

          • http://ObserverfromPhoenix Tom the Observer

            Mr. firefight, it is time to change some of the well-liked phrases, such as “kiss ass” and the attitude behind them. “Bullying” is never liked nor accepted for long. Kicking others can bring back some back-kicking; not necessarily with “nukes”, even if that could be possible, in different forms.
            What I really mean to say is in face of a problem, especially a very complicated or long-lasting international problem, it is imperative to go to the bottom of that problem and find the roots of the problem; and then use human rationality to extricate both sides from this confrontation. And pray that both sides are wise enough to come to a peaceful solution. I guarantee “kicking ass” will never work. Just look around the world and go over human history. You will find plenty of proofs of my statement.

          • http://ObserverfromPhoenix Tom the Observer

            Sorry, I have to make a correction of my typing errors. I mean to say “KICK ass”.

          • firefight

            Eddie47,
            My comment about Washington, Jefferson and Madison was in response to Rock Road’s comment about staying out of other countries affairs. You’ve taken my statement as though it applied to Everything these founding fathers established. You should read the post above mine to get the intention of my words instead of assuming what you want and twisting or adding your own spin..

          • ohoh

            Firefight, our increasing and escalating foreign entanglements facilitated by circumventing Congress and motivated by the opportunists who game the system prove that our Founders were more than clairvoyant on this issue as well.

          • JC

            firefight says:

            January 2, 2012 at 9:11 am

            Rock Road, What Jefferson, Washington and Madison said two hundred years ago is irrelevant to the situation today
            ___________________________________________________________________

            Unbelievably ignorant comment.
            You went to a liberal public school didn’t you?

      • Ray

        1Minuteman, you need to lay off of the lame-stream kool-aid and start understanding the real situation at hand.

        • Brogan

          He does understand the situation, Iran’s history has shown it is reckless.

          • Jay

            Hogwash! Do you have proof, or just empty accusations?

      • jimmy the greek

        1minuteman cares more about israel than he does America !

        • Peter T Hawk

          As a Canadian watching you folks to our south it is like living upstairs from a meth lab wondering when the folks in charge will do the inevitable and take us all out. You have one hope and that is Ron Paul. All of us share an immediate threat and that is economic terrorism and that has already been sanctioned from within on all of us by Fed policy to the point where the banksters now run our economy and our lives and have run the situation into the ground. How’s all that hopey changy thing been working for yas.

          • Elevenarrows

            To Canadian Peter, I agree with your assessment of things. I have been encouraged that Canadian friends of mine who are dual-citizens also see how effective President Ron Paul would be. I think many people misunderstand Paul’s foreign policy. The sad thing is that many Americans view Paul’s policy as strange and “way out there” when it actually mirrors the foreign policies of the majority of our founding fathers…and the law of the land, the Constitution. Paul isn’t afraid to fight–and unlike the current President, has served in the military. Paul simply believes in the founders’ view that we should only fight to defend ourselves or to come to the aid of others in grievous situations (such as genocide), but only once Congress has declared war. We should not be sacrificing the lives of so many young soldiers simply to advance our interests and obtain control of oil. It would be refreshing to see us drill here and use our own resources rather than spend billions fighting wars to steal the resources of others.

          • Warthog0

            Elevenarrows…If I were king making the decisions, I would have allowed the sale or mergers of most of the US owned oil companies and refineries to foreign interests. I would look the other way if the Oil cartels funded Sierra Club and any other real or pseudo conservationist groups that protest all drilling, pipelines and generally run interference for the oil companies and the government enablers, providing them with alibis as to why they cannot drill here in the US. Then I would block any Keystone project because of, Ill think of something, but I would definitely fund a foreign country like Brazil to drill off their coast and sell the oil us. I would allow lobbyists on behalf of Oil cartels to influence and grease the skids in the passage of laws that prevent from developing our own natural resources.
            The reality is that if they the Oil cartel were allowed to drill in the US, there would be a drastic drop in oil and fuel prices, which for them, would not be to their best interest of their bottom line and definitely not on their business plan. The lobbying and legal graft system that has been set up as legal business as usual, and the out and out bribes and payoffs to Government officials is at the bottom of the mess our economy is in today. The government once in office repays the lobbyists and corporations for the funding they provided to their elections, all out of our pockets. Why is the government in the business of guarantying loans or awarding grants to multi-billion dollar corporations, their CEOs and corporate bodies? (excluding of course A Gores auto and global microwave warm-up thing). It is our money, our taxes, why and who gave them the authority.
            The representative nature of the men and women sent to do our work does not include profiteering on our dime. It does not include enriching themselves through phony earmarks that supposedly do not violate ethical standards. As long as they benefit only on other person they are vindicated, gimme an F’n break. These ethical standards differentiate and absolve them from any wrongdoing, that you and I would be sent to the federal hoosegow and made someone’s sleepy time and funny nap teddy bear.

      • Brogan

        1minuteman you are one of the very few intelligent people on this website.

        • eddie47d

          That doesn’t say much about yourself if you are so eager for more wars with so little proof.

          • Brogan

            How much proof do you need, a couple hundred thousand dead is that the proof you need, wake up this isn’t the 18th ventury

          • eddie47d

            Where has Iran killed 200,000? In the Iraq-Iran War? Please explain those numbers.

          • JC

            Brogan is on to something here I think…
            Following his line of thinking, first we take out Iran,
            then we move on to North Korea, China, Pakistan…und zen ze Vorld! ;)

      • CLYDE CROW JR

        i agree that ron paul and obama is an idoit.while no means im a obama supporter. but you need to get some facts right, obama is right now planning on going to war with iran, the usa sent underground missles to isreal to attack irans nuclear weapons underground, yes ron paul iran has nuclear weapons please get your facts straight and you dont know or understand this and running for president i sure hope you dont win election for president, you worse than obama.this is in bible prophecy we will go war with iran, 2.5 million people will die because of this on the eupodeuas river, sorry if i spelled this wrong,which will bring the antichrist to make isreal and pakistan signed a peace agreement which is happening now.by the end of 2012 will start the 7 years of tribulation, also thje world will become one world goverment. you will will have to get the mark 666 to buy and sell food and other goods, you will not to be able to do this with out the 666 mark, but if you get the mark you will not get in heaven and you will go to hell. i guess i wrap this up because i have lot more to say about this as a bible prophecy student, i just wanted to inform everyone whats going on in the world today. please accept jesus christ as your lord and savior now if you havent already, god bless everyone and have a great day.

        • Boatman99

          Please, where ever your from, GET A LIFE.

        • Barry

          Israel takes care of Iran. Ron Paul is by far the best leader for America. Another thing you do err in the scriptures you mentioned. Ron Paul job as President is to report to Congress then they vote to declare war.So foreign policy offered by Ron Paul is correct. The Nation needs to turn back to Righteousness which EXALTS a NATION. Only Ron Paul leads us that way. First Sound Money ( righteous money ) Gold and silver makes a Nation strong. If you don;t have sound money you lead the way of ruin. He who owns the Gold and the Silver in righteous governing is the HEAD and not the Tail. America can be strong again by Ron Paul as our President. Go America Go Ron Paul

        • http://google rose

          Okay bible prophecy student. You need to read your Bible a little better. Or do you not have faith in God. Bible prophecy does speak of all the nations coming against Israel. But it says that Christ will come down from heaven and fight the battle for Israel. So who do you think has the greatest army Christ or the United States. I as a Christian believe that Christ will protect Israel. Have faith in God and not of the doinga of man. You cannot change Blble prophecy. Yes there will be war along the Euphrates River and yes a third of mankind will be wiped off of the face of the earth. But Israel will come out unharmed and bigger than what it is now. Do not fret and have faith in God. And I am voting for Ron Paul, because he is more pro Israel than any other candidate.

          • jimmy the greek

            so you think israel needs to steal more land from the countrys aeound them .

      • http://Steve Steve

        Israel has over 100 nuclear weapons….if Iran fires one they will be annihilated…..why do we have to be the worlds policeman?…we have just left Iraqi with our failed policies there…we have another failed policy going on in Afganistan…why did we have to go back into Irag the second time?…why wasn’t the job done the 1st time?…It’s because the military industrial complex (TPTB) want us to fight all these wars FOREVER!…they don’t care how many soldiers get killed or how much it cost us Americans…Ron Paul is not perfect but let’s try something different for a change…our middle est policy has not worked for 40 years….

      • Borsia

        It is our foreign policy that has made this mess over the last 40 years.
        Paul is apparently the only one who bothers to look at the history and see that the only way to cause any change is to radically alter that policy.
        If Iran’s navy tries to block the straight they could be put on the bottom in a matter of days with little losses. But we would be entering yet another war that will last for decades and can never really be won.
        Paul is the one candidate who understands this. He is also the ONLY one who wouldn’t be in the pocket of the arms cartels,,, who are the ones who really want to see another war.

      • ChristyK

        Iran is not as much of a threat as our government makes them out to be. The head of the Mossad (Israeli intelligence) says that Iran is not an existential threat. http://thenewamerican.com/world-mainmenu-26/asia-mainmenu-33/10412-mossad-spy-chief-iran-nuke-not-existential-threat

      • ChristyK

        If Ron Paul is so naive on foreign policy, why do more active duty military donate to him than all other candidates combined? Also, why did the head of the CIA Bin Laden group, Michael Scheuer, just endorse Ron Paul? I would think these people know a little more about foreign policy, and what is really going on, than the average citizen.

        http://www.revolutionpac.com/2012/01/cia-bin-laden-unit-chief-endorses-rep-ron-paul/

      • Earl

        Another fool who has bought he line about “wipe them off the map”. Hate to tell you, but that was never said. The Ayatollah Khomeini many years ago said ” The Zionist [regime] must vanish from the pages of time”. Ahmadinejad was simply quoting the former. No reference to wiping anything off the map…..Pure media hype!

        Don’t bother trying to refute me, I have already done the research, go do your own…..

    • firefight

      Iran IS a threat to any and all countries like the U.S.. Ron Paul’s response to the situation, in my opinion, displays the kind of weakness that invites further aggression. In one of his most recent Republican debates, he made it clear that he is not up on foreign policy nor did he understand the Big Stick philosophy. He portrayed himself as a man with little intestinal fortitude and right now, we don’t need that for a leader of the free world. We, as a whole really need to see that Iran’s militant government is trying to take the lead with all Muslims in the world, as the spearhead for their cause. They will continue to bully until someone really slaps the crap out of them. For every action a bully takes to intimidate, they need two that are way more intimidating thrown back at them. Bullies need to be hurt in order to get their attention and teach them that there are others that are stronger and not afraid of them.

      Case in point. As a youth, you probably had someone in your school that was considered a bully. If you were the object of his bullying, when did it stop? If it never did, then you were the coward that never confronted him with your force. If it did, then you confronted him. That’s how it works.

      • James

        Wouldn’t you be more aggressive if sanctions were applied on you? Our sanctiions on Iran will unite the warring factions therein, they will now have a common enemy. Iran was never a threat to the United States, now they are. Like Ron Paul said, that’s the ‘trouble’ we were looking for.

        • Brogan

          If the U.S cut off all trade with iran, their world bank would go down, they wouldn’t have it any more money to do anything

          • http://ObserverfromPhoenix Tom the Observer

            I am really amused by some of the comments and views expressed above.
            First let me ask Mr. Brogan: Have you seen any real results stemming from US embargoes in the past? Even Cuba, so close to US and just an island nation, has survived till this day. The long lasting US embargo against the Red China yielded insignificant results, except for the blockage of a quicker military weaponry advancement. US is still pursuing “The Big Stick” policing “diplomacy”. And what is the final result? We will soon begin to see some of them. We may not like to see what we are going to see. Despite all our sacrifices and efforts, have we heard any thunderous echoes of “Thank You”? By the way, we are no longer just in the conventional military intervention. It is also being done in covert or subversive fashions. Remember the Iran-Iraq War, when Saddam received the MDW from US to kill so many Iran troupes? Remember the killing of Bin Laden? Let us not forget that the world is not blind.
            I, for one, don’t think Israel really wants to test the world’s tolerance by “nuking Iran since Israel never has declared herself as a nuclear power. As far as Iran becoming a nuclear power, why is US criticism so strong while not a cough was heard when India obtained nuclear weapon technology from who knows where? Even recently US has signed contract to support India’s nuclear programs. I am really curious what response US or Mr. Brogan or Mr. firefight would care or could give?
            Yes, bullying will always draw resentments and fight back. One big stick may not always come on top when faced with many smaller sticks of different strengths.
            As for those prophecies, I’ll pass and let the “prophecy experts” interpret them. I don’t think God has anointed them as the messengers of Divine Oracle. They may say whatever they like or believe. It is a free Country after all.

          • Joe H.

            Brogan,
            show me proof that the US provided Saddam and Iraq with WMDs during the iran/ Iraq war. I know that FRANCE did, but not the US. We DID supply them with conventional arms. Show me a site to back up your statement.

      • eddie47d

        Our continued wars in the Middle East make us the bully ..firefight.. so should Iran begin their assault on us? Should they now fight back because of all the threats we have made towards them? Apparently you were bullied in school and then became a bully yourself.

        • duaner

          more left dribble from an uneducated liberal who thinks he knows everything about anything. Why don’t you drive off a very high cliff.

        • eddie47d

          Why don’t you present some facts duaner? Your pushing yourself off the cliff with the lack of intelligence.

        • firefight

          Once again, Eddie47 you completely miss the point and your words are far from accurate. We are not the Bully when it comes to Iran. THEY ARE! This country has been the safe haven for terrorists for over 40 years. This country has supported, recruited and trained terrorists that have created destruction and murder all over this planet. We are the cowards who have tippy toed around with them because of the oil interests for way longer than we should have. Get that straight. We should have gone into that country and kicked their asses long ago. By the way, if you know anything about Muslims or Islam, you would know that this is the only language they understand. Strength!

          As for me being bullied………yes I was. There was a boy in my school that liked to pick on anyone he thought he had an advantage over. He tried it with me one day by telling me he was going to beat me up if I didn’t do what he told me to do and that was to give him my lunch money and carry his books for him. I knocked his books out of his hands, heel stomped his left knee, which made him collapse, and then I jumped on top of him and began swinging. I broke his nose and blackened both of his eyes. Three of my close friends saw what was happening and grabbed me and pulled me off of that kid. Three days later, he approached me and apologized for what he had tried to do and I apologized for kicking the sh– out of him but told him he deserved it. We became very good friends after that day and still are. Why? Because I stood up for myself and it taught him respect for me. It also taught him that he could get hurt being a bully.

          Case in point. That’s exactly the lesson we need to teach Iran. If you Liberal ass kissers think there’s a better way, let me know. This method seemed to work pretty good on Adolph, Joseph and Hirohito.

          • JC

            I’m no liberal ass kisser, I’m a gun owning Libertariian Patriot.
            And I’ve about had it with you war mongering drum beating kill monkeys trying to make yourselves look all brave and tough.
            It’s idiots like you that got us into this F&%#^ng mess.
            And it’s idiots like you who think American blood has to be spilled all over the planet just to keep “idiots like you” busy saving us from things that “idiots like you” caused in the first place.
            You want to war with Iran? get your rifle and get going.
            This is NOTHING like the situation we had in WW2 and you’re an idiot for even trying to make the comparison.

          • Joe H.

            Firefight,
            good name for you BW. Yes, your friend learned a lesson, but YOU didn’t. By your very statement of “We should have gone in there and kicked their azz a long time ago” you have shown that YOU were the one that needed to learn a lesson. Iran has done NOTHING to us YET. for us to go in unilaterally and unprovoked and destroy them makes US the bully. The whole world will see it that way as well. Now, maybe we don’t have to worry about little countries like say Japan or Switzerland, but Russia and China BOTH have said if we attack iran unprovoked, they will be their protectors. Now just stop and THINK for a change. We might, MIGHT defeat Russia, and we have a slight chance of defeating China, BUT there is NO WAY we are gonna beat them BOTH!!! Not even JOHN FREAKIN WAYNE nor STALLONE would suggest THAT!!! I suggest you get off your peashooter box and calm down a little before you bust a blood vessel!!!

      • Boatman99

        I was never bullied in school but I understand your pain and where you been misguided. The only thing that this agression to them will accomplished is unite them. Are you ready to declare war on 1.2 billion muslims?

      • Barry

        Repeat of what I just mentioned. Israel takes care of Iran. Ron Paul is by far the best leader for America. Another thing you do err in the scriptures you mentioned. Ron Paul job as President is to report to Congress then they vote to declare war.So foreign policy offered by Ron Paul is correct. The Nation needs to turn back to Righteousness which EXALTS a NATION. Only Ron Paul leads us that way. First Sound Money ( righteous money ) Gold and silver makes a Nation strong. If you don;t have sound money you lead the way of ruin. He who owns the Gold and the Silver in righteous governing is the HEAD and not the Tail. America can be strong again by Ron Paul as our President. Go America Go Ron Paul

        • http://google rose

          Right on Barry! And yeah Ron Paul!

    • Old Henry

      This has nothing to do with Ron Paul. I just received the link in an email and thought it would be nice to pass it on to all you good people. Hapy New Year. Enjoy!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=x91rBzNKvlc#t=7s

  • DavidL

    What’s the problem? If Iran goes nuclear you gold hoarders get rich, right?

    http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-01-02/gold-climbs-to-one-week-high-as-iran-makes-first-nuclear-rod.html

    • Brogan

      No if Iran goes nuclear they’ll become reckless and a couple hundred thousandd people will die.

      • Boatman99

        So what is the difference? The death toll from the war on Iraq, that by the way, had nothing to do with 9/11, its a little over a million Iraquies. How does that make us different than Iran.

        • Brogan

          We were defending ourselves from iraq and their wmds

          • Jay

            Brogan, you’re deluded!

          • Boatman99

            Defending ourselves from Iraq from what? The WMD’s that saddam hussein had? Where have you been this last ten years sir? Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and has never attacked the US. Defending ourselves, give me a break.

          • Brogan

            In 2008 america found 500 pounds of yellow cake uranium which was given to canada which they turned into energy. The liberal media which u guys always complain about failed to report that.

          • http://ObserverfromPhoenix Tom the Observer

            US thought Saddam still had them. Remember what US gave Saddam to fight Iran for more than a year? Nobody seemed to be able to find them!

          • JC

            Brogan says:
            January 2, 2012 at 10:26 pm
            In 2008 america found 500 pounds of yellow cake uranium which was given to canada which they turned into energy. The liberal media which u guys always complain about failed to report that.
            _____________________________________________________________
            Canada produces more unranium than anyone else on the planet.
            What do you suppose they were going to do with 500 lbs?

          • Joe H.

            JC,
            There were two metric tons of yellow cake found in Iraq. It WAS shipped to Canada, but what was done with it, I’m kinda foggy on. There are several sites you can check on it. Now I guess if you stretch a little you could say that Iraq was gonna make a “dirty” bomb out of it, but HOW TO DELIVER IT????

          • JC

            Joe,
            My guess? Canada has the facilities to store the material and it’s right next door if the US ever needs it. My question would be, how did Iraq get the Yellowcake in the first place? Who supplied it to them? Us? Russia? China?

        • eddie47d

          Did Iraq attack us? No! Did Iraq have WMD? No! They did have poisonous gases but those were sold to them by France and Russia. Should we attacks Russia and France for doing that? See what a tangled web we get ourselves into and have a hard time boxing our way out of.

  • louise

    scott and al sieber I think it is you that is naive. You must not believe in the bible, because iran is in the last war, the eurphates river will dry up and birds of prey will gather in israel. Well guess
    what the eurphates river is drying up….the birds of prey are gathering in israel and iran is gearing up to make the us attack them. This is all suppose to happen. So much more in the news now that
    go right along with the bible. World war III is along the eurphates river which is right along that area. Check it out. If china or russia join iran then this is world war III.

    • Al Sieber

      Sounds like you interpret your bible wrong.

    • Karolyn

      Well, then, let’s all just say goodbye right now!

    • Warthog0

      Because one does not adhere or believe in the bible does not make one stupid or uninformed. The inverse could be said to be true as well.

  • 4-just_us

    War is a very big profitable business owned by people who could care less about the lives and dollars spent under the guise of “keeping America safe”. These warmongers,like McCain, Bush ,Cheney and others just look for opportunities to go to war. All the wars since ww2 have been “wars for profit” only. The war profiteers want to put the fear in the people ,just like demented Bush did, to go to war. Ron Paul stands on the same plateau as George WASHINGTON.

    • Dntmkmecmoverther

      What ignorance. Ron Paul stands on the same plateau as George Washington? Good grief do your homework in Early American history before you post such nonsense! Washington made his living as a soldier before being elected our first president! Paul and Washington would be polar opposites in the foreign policy dept.

      • firefight

        You are correct on the Washington thing. 4-just_us says, “all wars since WWII were fought for profit.” Well, OMG, how could anyone ever profit from a war? JUST for the record, there will always be someone profiting from any and every war. THAT IS REALITY! And, since we are talking about WWII, there is a real similarity to WWII and what is taking place today. All we have to do is compare the Nazis with the Muslims who also want to take over the entire world and have all Jews exterminated, but, in this case, these guys want all Christians eliminated too. If killing Nazis was justified then, is not killing Muslims justified now? Seems to me we should use the same yardstick to measure this question.

        • Warthog0

          I’m not up on all of this, but I think there might be a difference between a Nazi and a German, A democrat/republican/conservative/other and an American a communist and a Russian, a Muslim and an Arab/Persian/Indonesian/other. A radical religious theocracy and politically totalitarian government is what is dangerous to the world. It does not matter whether you are a Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, Jew or any other religious persuasion; if you are an extremist and a proselytizing fanatic that tries to instill your beliefs on others, you are the problem. If you are a Communist/Socialist/Democrat/Liberal, Republican/Conservative/T Partier, Objectivist/Libertarian and you pursue your “party line” above the welfare of your county and your fellow citizens, you are the problem.
          All that pursue a blind faith in some ideology are manipulated by the elite that control all of the world’s affairs, because they have a truckload of followers who do not discern reality from the “MERDE”(sh*t) they are fed by their supposed “leaders”. It Is About Money And Power, no MORE, no less. All rules and laws are made for the populaccio, not the leaders. Take a look at the exclusionary status our own “government” has given unto itself, by placing themselves above the law, our law, not theirs; they live beyond the law they have drawn up for the rest of us. You can be sure it is so with all government of the world, why would they share their power with you. Plato’s stratification of the classes in his pyramid structure is at work doing very well thank you; for some out there they couldn’t buy a clue if you gave them a dollar.
          Truth and a higher ground is the only salvation from the cesspool into which they have driven our wagon train. Stop and think with your eyes, ears wide open and all of your synapses(the ones that have survived your college days)firing full charge. We are all being used one against the other in one of the biggest continuing frauds since the first strategy meeting between a shaman and a warlord. The manipulators are sitting in the Stadium Box seats watching the world in a game where they are the only winners, we are out there in our cheerleader outfits cheering for our side, So sad, we should, as my child and her peers innocently admonish us Wake TFU it is a world of “bread and chocolate”.
          This election is important to you, to me and more importantly to us, the governed. The governed that have given birth to a Constitution and its new defined freedoms and liberty; a birth labored, won and secured with theirs and their children’s life’s blood. Once secured, the unwashed masses, transferred in good faith their rights to “representatives” who would do their bidding and protect the new country and its radical ideas of self-government. We the unwashed masses, who in our simple country logic, in our exuberance, blinded by ideology of fairness and righteousness of our fellow human being; trusted with our hearts, relied on our religious training, forgot that there were countrymen of ours out there whose prime directive and motivator was the lust for money and the power it would buy. It is time to take our freedoms and liberty back, it is time to rescind the transfer of our power over ourselves back to its rightful owners, the unwashed masses who from time immemorial yearned to be free.

        • JC

          “Naturally the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”
          ~ Hermann Goering at the Nuremburg Trials

          There’s your yardstick firefight.

      • James

        Fighting for our freedom from Britain’s tyranny is one thing but fighting endless wars with other nations is quite another. Washington’s foreign policy was: “Trade with all nations, entangling alliances with none.”

      • eddie47d

        George Washington did not go looking for foreign entanglement. He believe in defending America from foreign aggression and having a strong defense.Which is exactly what Ron Paul has been advocating.

        • Elevenarrows

          What is the world coming to when I find myself agreeing with a comment from eddie?! You are right on about Washington not pursuing foreign entanglements. He executed the view of the founding fathers (and of course, was one) which is exactly what Ron Paul is trying to get America to return to.

      • CLYDE CROW JR

        you are cleary misinformed or dont understand anything. we went to war with iraq and afggainstan because of september 11. were fighting terroism and for the people died. but i guess you dont think people who died on that day dont matter.i dont understand how you justfied in saying this you cant defend it by your comment sorry but you need to think before you speak.

        • AVCurmudgeon

          You are half right. We went to war in Afghanistan because the Taliban sponsored Al Qaeda and we wanted Al Qaeda. That rationale was concluded by 2003. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 or Al Qaeda; in fact Hussein was one of the mideast leaders on Al Qaeda’s “hit list.” That misadventure was entirely due to Bush’s delusions.

          Now we are out of Iraq and the government is close to collapsing, and we were so effective in getting rid of the Taliban that Obama is apparently negotiating with them for a return to power. So what is worse: a man who does not understand the enemy we face (Paul) or a man who does understand that enemy and embraces it (Obama)?

        • Boatman99

          Mr, Clyde, I think you are confused or missinformed. We went to afghanistan after Osama Bin Laden, but then we stay and occupy their territory ad forgot the mission. then we went into Iraq under false pretenses, everybody knows that, and occupy Iraqui’s territory. How do you win the war on terror or terrorism as it is an ideology not an actual group of people or a country?

        • JC

          CLYDE CROW JR says:

          January 2, 2012 at 11:52 am

          you are cleary misinformed or dont understand anything. we went to war with iraq and afggainstan because of september 11.
          ____________________________________________________________

          You still buying the official 911 story?
          We went to war for control and power…period.

      • Joe H.

        DNTMK….
        I don’t think George made any money as commander of the american forces as it was an all volenteer force. Hell, he was Barely fed, like his troops!

  • EHeassler, USN-Ret.

    This is where I totally disagree with Ron Paul’s whackomole foreign policy, or should I say, disengagement from foreign policy. We shouldn’t be fearing Iran’s reaction to sanctions. The troublemaking evil theocracy of Iran lives in it’s own cesspool of hatred for the West and the U.S. in particular. Based on its antagonism to us and its firm avowal to wipe Israel off the face of the earth, Iran should be afraid of what we are going to do, not the other way around as Ron Paul would have it. As a practivcal matter and loss of American lives aside, we can’t afford another war because this administration has put us so far into debt that we can’t finance one. We’re broke. Our enemies are rejoicing as we continue to weaken ourselves financially. The challenge as I see it, is how to maintain our interests abroad, keep the sea-lanes of communication and commerce open, and hold our enemies at bay with the resources we have left. Restoring the economy and producing our own fuel is a great start. We are a maritme nation and have two long coastlines to defend as well as non-contiguous states and territories. We need a strong military, and especially a strong Navy which shrinks after every round of budget cuts. Soon, it won’t be a Navy, just a large Coast Guard. Our enemies need to know that we can reach out and “touch them”.

    • eddie47d

      Remember that Israel can defend itself since it does have several nuclear weapons. The number 330 keeps popping up on the count. Should we go in and defend Israel if THEY are attacked. Yes we should but we shouldn’t be starting the wars like Michelle Bachmann advocates. Iran fears Israel because Israel bombed their ally Syria’s nuclear plant without premeditation from them. Iran fears Israel will do the same to them. Israel was bullied for many years by neighboring countries and then they became the bully against them. We need to calm down in how we react to these tit for tats in the Middle East.

    • Brogan

      All it would take is one nuclear weapon to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

      • http://google rose

        But that will never happen according to the Bible!

    • Barry

      Dear Sir- I agreed with you last time maybe last week. But Ron Paul is by far the best leader for America. His Foreign Policy I agree with . First we are broke. Be not deceived. Get back to Sound Money we want be.Second Ron Paul policy JOB is to report to Congress and have them DO their JOB either to DECLare WAR on Iran or anyother nation. So lets keep things in context. First Sound Money ( Gold and Silver backing the dollar)causes strong forces . Second Foreign policy by The President reporting to Congress to declare war. Ron Paul would be by far the best leader for this NAtion. Righteous governing. If we continue with the fed’s current policy you can kiss our military good by. Paper Money ruins all things in a Nation including its power forces. The other is Liberty with the threats by the Arabs which or who will most likly ” dirty bomb” us soon . We need our liberties KEEPED! Because the Arabs ( Bastards)goals are for our loss of liberties. They Win what they set out to do.. If they succeed with their terrorist attacks and parleyed with finacial collaspe we will lose our liberites and the freedoms from which we STAND FOR” they win when our government set up in NEW Laws , Marshall Law, Police states our liberites are lost . Stay free no matter what terrorist through at us. STAY FREE! STAY FREE! America choose the True Leader on Foreign Policy Ron Paul. Congress declares war not the President. Go far the GOld America !! Hit the right MARK.Ron Paul for President! If not America will change and bring much sorrow in the near future. Go America Go Ron Paul

      • Brogan

        What do you think about house and senate

    • http://ObserverfromPhoenix Tom the Observer

      Because you are a USN-Ret, I can understand why you hold certain views on international affairs and relations. However, an equilibrium can be established not by just possessing power to “touch them”. First, if our international interests are based on sound foundation of mutual respect and fairness, sound and solid diplomatic ties, which includes cooperation and straight communication channels, can fulfill that duty.
      But if US international interests means imposition of our superiority on other Countries’ rights, sovereignty or growths, then it is just like falling back into the Middle Age’s European style’s tyranny and Dark Ages. No army, navy and air force of any Country can fulfill that kind of mission!

    • Earl

      Iran said nothing of the sort—Read my post further up this blog and open your eyes. That statement is the biggest fraud the media has hyped in a long time. It simply didn’t happen. Educate yourself!

  • Deerinwater

    Ron Paul seems to approach the Iran problem in much the same way as he does all other problems and offers us a view into a “mindset”.

    “I’ll do my job and you do yours and let us allow the chips to fall where they may.”

    Interesting approach to complex problems with so much hanging in the balance. A sort of atommyton process of assessing data and rendering a given response. You have to admit it’s predictable and consistent.

    What he seem to be offering is, as President this is my position on the matter and congress can speak for itself.

    What happen to the backroom thumb twisting? The romancing and side deals? What happen to the, Hey! I noticed your car and driver over on 36th street in front of Risky Rita’s place yesterday morning, your wife told me that you were out of town?” “Senator, we need a down vote on hr#4689.”

    Does Ron Paul plan to forego his own band of Capital Hill enforcers and politics as usual? To depend on matters to rest on their merits alone without “assistance”? Hmm? novelty for the Hill, a hot bed of attorneys and lobbyist. Sounds rather naive as Jimmy Carter teaching Sunday school.

    The Hill is a den of vipers, if you not a snake with you arrive, you are when you leave. There are some exceptions to this of course but how “effective” they are could be debated.

    Europe does not seem to hold these same views as Ron Paul. I find this troubling as we could loose sight of our long term goals, balance, peace and prosperity.

    • Ray

      ru sayin that Ron Paul is a snake? If only there were more like him, the US would be a much better place.

    • eddie47d

      Well Bob Wire (Deer) if that was true about Europe then why did they mostly refuse to send in coalition troops into Iraq or Afghanistan. Those that did get involved withdrew soon after. You can make your point with Libya (Northern Africa) but for the most part they are tired of getting involved in the Middle East and don’t relish these continual wars. More in tune with Ron Paul’s thinking.

      • Deerinwater

        I don’t know. That I repeated what I have heard does not alone make it so, I only interpreted it as a most general consensus and the “mood’ of western Europe.

        And I surly can’t explain how a potentially nuclear armed Iran has a lot to do with Afghanistan and the Iraq folly. Same general region perhaps but the potential “threat” viewed much differently.

        • Joe H.

          Well, bob(deer),
          I don’t think ANY of the european countries want to mess with China or Russia, either!!! Attacking Iran will do just that!!

  • Mark

    America gives Israel billions of taxpayer (and borrowed) dollars every year… And yes, the founders of the American republic warned against foreign entanglements. Their advice: Honest commerce with all nations and to avoid foreign entanglements. That does not make them isolationists, isolationists would have no foreign involvement whatsoever and to not associate with the other countries at all. Peace, commerce with all nations, and entangling alliances with none. Sounds logical and in our best interests. End all foreign aid, including the foreign aid to Israel. Let the other nations of the world handle their own matters. Let people not forget had it not been for deliberate interference with Iran and their political structure today, the current structure in Iran would not exist today. Let people not forget, that the majority of the people the U.S. government claimed carried out the September 11th, 2001 attacks in New York and the Pentagon were of Saudi Arabian nationality and held Saudi passports!!!! Let people not forget that the CIA trained Osama Bin Laden and his organization in the struggle in Afghanistan while the former Soviet Union was over there for 8 years… Let people not forget that Saddam was once an ally to the United States and we gave him arms and financial support during the Iraq/Iran war!!!! So yes, foreign entanglements seem to have a way of coming back on America!!!! Maybe those founders actually knew a little of what they were talking about!!!!!! ;)

    • jimmy the greek

      You got that right !

      • Al Sieber

        I’ll second that.

      • eddie47d

        Amen Mark!

    • Boatman99

      Ill second that.

    • http://google rose

      I haven’t forgot.

  • Ted Crawford

    Man these Paulites worship him with an adulation reminiscant of that of the Obamaites three years ago! Which is frieghteningly similar to the response Hitler engendered in his followers! How well did these two Messiahs deliever?

    i recently was labeled an “idiotic moron” by one of them, from a Paulite I consider that to be a compliment, for stating that he was a modernday version of Neville Champerlain! The explaination was that Germany wasn’t much of a direct threat in the ’20s & ’30′s and Iran isn’t, currently, a direct threat now. That is almost true he needed to add one little three letter word, YET. Had wiser heads prevailed then perhaps the body count could have been kept at 50,000 instead of 50,000,000!
    As for his stance on the Federal Reserve and the Gold Standard, I agree that the former should never have been created and we should never have abandoned the latter! That being said, we did, and saddly the rest of the world followed us into this stupidity. Were we to, unalaterally abandon them now our purchasing power would be reduced to that of a Third World Nation! I do agree we need an immediate audit!

    • PATRIOT 101

      I take particular offense at “Worship him” as we don’t worship Ron Paul, but have studied his policy positions and have squared them with the constitution. No other candidate can do that.
      “Ron Paul thinks it’s OK for Iran to have a nuke” Is the biggest LIE THE MEDIA has propagated!
      Ron Paul is not pro-war. Ron Paul is for a strong NATIONAL DEFENSE.
      ANY OTHER REPUBLICAN (OR OBAMA) HAS PLEDGED WAR WITH IRAN! What is this 50-50 chance CRAP? If the peoples’ house (Congress) wants war with Iran, they should vote on it and declare war! That is their constitutional mandate. Without that, the president will continue to “Shape the Globe” into his world. He is the “Dictator to the World” in charge of the world’s only SUPERPOWER MILITARY!
      All Republican candidates (except Ron Paul) and Obama have all pledged that IRAN WON’T GET (OR HAVE) A NEUCULAR WEAPON! How is this pledge possible short of bombing a sovereign nation? Bombing is NO LONGER WAR? How convenient for the President.
      Ron Paul just realizes the limits the constitution places on the executive branch (President). Congress is to declare war, NOT THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF!
      Giving the President the ability to declare war is (and has) created a Global Dictator!
      You all OK with that? He will dictate here (to you) as well as abroad! He has the power now with the NDAA. If you don’t know what this is YOU HAD BETTER EDUCATE YOURSELF SO YOU CAN BEGIN STOCKPILING BULLETS!

      • Warthog0

        Agree with your overall assessment short of congress having the constitutional right to declare war. It would be ok, if they did not have a dog in the fight, meaning none had any special interest in any military industrial complex stock, options, real assets that would benefit them from a war. Make it mandatory that no government employee /functionary own any stock, options, real assets that would interfere with their carrying out their duties to the constitution and the citizenry of the USA for at least 5 years after they leave their post, which would be a max of 6 years, then I would be ok with it.

    • Elevenarrows

      Ted, why bother with an audit since it sounds like you lack the fortitude to take actions based on the result of an audit?! I am seriously wondering where are the men of character these days?

      Paul doesn’t believe Iran is an immediate threat based on the intelligence showing where they are in the process of developing nuclear weapons. He has never said he would not go up against Iran if it became necessary to do so to protect America. He HAS said he would wait for Congress to declare war before he would charge in on his own. How utterly, Constitutionally refreshing!!!

      Are you by any chance a cookie-cutter from government schooling? Just wondering.

    • Joe H.

      Patriot1,
      Problem is, people like Abummer thinks he doesn’t HAVE to get congress’ approval to go to war if it is just a “bombing” war!!! I.E. Libya!!!

  • Glen Xx

    @ Ted C you are double dumb on both accounts.

    Re the Fraudulent Resv. Bk. It has to go. And it will improve our

    economy. when it is gone. Because, the treasury can issue Debt free

    Money. The last debt free money was issues in 1963, by JFK.

    Ask this question, if the USA has the power to print and coin $$$,

    why do we have a national debt ?

    • eddie47d

      This comparison to Nazi Germany has valid points but several that are ridiculous. Germany deliberately invaded other nations with intentions of owning and controlling those nations. Iran has invaded no one and has little influence elsewhere. They are partners with Syria and friends with Assad and both those countries have their eyes on Lebanon.Other than that Iran isn’t much different than Hugo Chavez with his chest thumping.There was a victory with Exxon Mobile yesterday where they won a $990 million judgement against Venezuela. Chavez nationalized their oil companies years ago and Exxon lost money. Now it’s payback in what they “stole”. That is the way to deal with bullies in the world without making war. Now Exxon might not see a dime of that money but the message is clear. You take money we earned and someday we will get it back ..but through legal channels. The same could be done in the Straits of Hormuz. If billions of business is lost then bill Iran and take them to court. Use the rule of law instead of the rule of war.

      • jimmy the greek

        Yes Eddie But it was to get the land that was stolen from Germany by the league of nations after WW-1 that was given to Poland , The checks were smart enough to give what they got in 1938 so they would not have to fight the Germans .

      • Warthog0

        Eddie47, I have disagreed with you many times and agreed with you at times as well, you are right on the money in your comment. To take it further, why aren’t we in the same instance billing Irak. Bill them for the cost or at least sharing and participating in the cost of the war and repaying the American taxpayer. On the other hand, ok maybe in the form of selling our government oil to replenishing our national reserve directly without an intermediary, say for the same length of time of the duration of the war say, 10 years. If this does not work then have the companies that eventually get contracts with Irak offset the cost of our expenditures as taxpayers by either contributing to the repayment of the cost of the war to the American people’s treasury, or better yet set a max for the cost of gasoline they sell in this country. While we are at it, have Irak sell gasoline to the US Government at a set price for an agreed term for military and VA sponsored stations for all veterans and their families(maybe even through chains like Costco), making the oil company monopoly compete on the open market. Outlaw trading in options on commodities that would affect the national security of this country. Talk about a Rip Van Winkle Dream…..ZZzzzzz

        • Boatman99

          So we destroy their country and they have to pay for reconstruction? You must have major in economy cause with this bussiness plan youll never go broke. Destroy some peoples country and then billed them to have it reconstructed, thats a good one.

          • Warthog0

            You must have been in a time warp or a worm hole. we destroyed a despot and his malevolent dictatorship, gave them a choice for self determination with the ability to choose their own government. They are better off now then they have been for a century. They can now prosper from their oil wealth for the benefit of their people and not some maniacal despot and his scheme to rule the region. It works for me. Someone needs to come up with a Return on our investment, not to mention more importantly the loss of our men and women. What do you propose?

          • Warthog0

            And o yes did I mention we are spending billions for reconstruction. Its good that you have a coined smart Alec comment how about an answer….

  • http://www.fredvanliew.com Fred Van Liew

    Ron Paul would avoid entanglements unless we were getting involved with clear purpose and to win, then get out. How is that weak? Read his positions on his own site at http://www.RonPaul2012.com and get the whole picture, rather than bits and pieces. Once you go there, you stop the confusion and realize why he is the only logical choice. Speak softly and carry that big stick. That is Ron Paul. Shaking your fist, raising your voice while having a bickering Congress is not strength, and that is what the other candidates appear to offer. Just more of the same. We claimed we wanted change, we got a puppet and twice more of the same. We have a chance for real change, and we listen to the puppet masters rather than Ron Paul himself in total.

    • Ted Crawford

      Ron Paul is, amongest other things, an Idealist. H.L. Mencken explains the danger in that. ” An Idealist is one who, on noticing that a Rose smells better than a cabbage, concludes that it will also make better soup”

      • Warthog0

        It does if you don’t particularly like cabbage, no? Some dont like green eggs and ham!

      • cawmun cents

        What it sounds like to me,is that you have bitten into the candy coated male bovine fecal matter of academia/media.
        First,let me say that I have brought up the Neville Chamberlain idea a time or two.Problem is that it isnt necessarily historically accurate to the degree which establishes appeasement.While situations are alike in many ways,Chamberlain was not required to go before Parlaiment before issuing a challenge to the League of Nations to restrain Hitler’s ability to build his war machine.
        Clearly,Hitler had help from undisclosed avenues of backing.
        These included what is now Iran and many other Arabic states,considering his views on Zionists,and the fact of their possibly coming back to what is now called Palestine.
        Todays world is somewhat different since the dawn of the communication age.It is much harder to conceal your plans today,than it was in Chamberlains day.It would require a titannic effort(we all know and remember the Titannic,right?)to establish the infrastructure to become an engine such as Nazi Germany pre-world war two.Considering how the Iranians are out-gunned in every measurable way,including espionage,that is a seperate issue than Chamberlains appeasement which predated the 2nd world war.Taking a stab at the heart of a juggernaut only wwoks if you can defend afterward.They(Iran)have no such ability.What they do have is the chance to commit suicide.
        And yet there is the possiblity of handing over a WMD to terrorists whom cannot be placed in a nation.But that is not a danger for a nation which is trying to cut its nuclear teeth.They will not likely give such a weapon away to any tom,dick,and harry group of mal-contents.After you fight so long to make one,would you just give it away?Seems unlikely.Moreover you would want to be sure that it could not be traced back to you,or the consequences are annihilation.
        No nation wants to be annihilated.Even if it means crippling an enemy.
        Only if you could be certain of their destruction would you risk it.
        They could in fact be mad enough to try to destroy us,but since we are everywhere,that is highly unlikely.-CC.

    • eddie47d

      The majority of warmongers in the world have always smelled like a sunk and no matter how much they bathe in phony nationalism they still smell like a skunk. On this issue Ron Paul smells like that rose and not a skunk cabbage and needs our support.

    • Warthog0

      I haven’t made up my mind, but am turning over the RP coin again and again. Having said that if he is fortunate to have the citizenry of the US wake up from the Rip Van Winkle sleep they have been drugged into, this mental and moral lobotomy, he will also have to have a Congress that will support his efforts to stop the financial economic hemorrhage this country has been put through. So when you vote you may have to erase the entire blackboard to write a new solution to the problems we face as a nation.

  • Ed Rathgeber

    They saw how we handled IRAQ so they decided to rattle the sabers. We should have turned that copuntry into a piece of glass a long time ago…Now is the time for us to open other areas of fuel and let them eat oil …

    • eddie47d

      Why? Explain why we have a right to turn Iran into a “sheet of glass”.

    • Boatman99

      You mean you would aniquilate 70 million citizens of a republic that you never met? My only wish would be that in the process you would join them too.

    • JC

      Another would be murderer.
      You missed your calling my friend.
      You would have been very happy working at Dachau.

      • libertytrain

        Perhaps some of these goofs need a trip to Dachau today to visually see what occurred there. It sure wasn’t make-believe…

  • Gerald

    I believe all countries have the right to govern themselves. We have taken on the roll of world police. How can you blame other countries for hating us, we are in there business and cultures. The ones that support us are getting a check, follow the money. We look like the kid in the playground that says ” I’ll give you a dollar if you will be my friend”.

    • James

      Amen! There is no constitutional authority for Congress to police the world. All of our wars since WW II have accomplished nothing, but making the world hate us, and making the U.S. poorer.

  • Mike Farkash

    We all agree that the USA has and will be for the forseeable future one of the great powers in the world and as such it cannot afford behaving as Ron Paul proposes. The American Monreau Isolationist Doctrine once applied in the past cannot be applied again because its consequences could be catastrophic not only to the Mid East countries but also to the USA and the rest of the world. We are dealing here with a maniac named Ahmadinajad whose conduct reminds us of Her Hitler and his horrific deeds during WWII. Most political leaders at that time, like the British Prime Minister Chamberlain, tried to appease him and give in to his unending demands with the exception of Sir Winston Churchill and later on President Roosevelt who realized that Hitler must be stopped and he was stopped only after tens of millions of people died on the battle fields and in concentration camps. Ahmadinajad is a Hitler of the 21st century and if the positive forces of the human race led by the USA will not stop him in due time the grave consequences of WWII will appear insignificant in comparison to those of a possible nuclear conflagration caused by this new insatiable Hitler.

    • eddie47d

      Hitler invaded countries… Iran has not. We have invaded countries in the Middle East and Iran has not.So who is the Hitler? We killed thousands of Muslims in the Middle East in these current wars and Iran may be responsible for a few hundred deaths in that region so who is the threat? We armed Iraq in the Iran-Iraq War and Iraq invaded Iran with our secret blessings. That caused over a million to die. So who is pushing for conflict in the Middle East and wants to keep that region in turmoil? Time for a new strategy and one of those would be to get out of that region militarily.

  • shon

    Did anyone commenting notice that the article says nothing about Paul’s opinion about whether Iran should be sanctioned or not? A careful reading reveals that he is only saying Iran is justified in responding to the sanctions how they see fit. That is a true statement. As an independent nation, it’s government can respond however it wants. Paul is also saying that response will have consequences. Another true statement, as every action has consequences. If Iran fires on a US ship, or blocks passage o a US ship in international waters, then that is an act of war. If that were to happen, it would be Congress’ responsibility to declare war on Iran. Then, and only then, can the President authorize military retaliation against Iran. Like him or not, nothing Paul is quoted as saying in this article is false. The decision to put American soldiers’ lives in jeopardy is to be made by consensus of 535 people, not just 1. If we want to give that power to one person, we can amend the constitution, just like we have done 27 times already.

    Whether the US should sanction Iran or not is an opinion. Whether Iran should be allowed to develop nukes is an opinion. Whether Iran would blockade the straight is a prediction. But, Iran having a right to do so, and the US having a right to respond, are both facts. You may or may not agree with Ron Paul’s opinions, but the statements quoted in this article are logical and factually based.

    • CLYDE CROW JR

      yes iran needs to be sanction this goes without saying it.but we need to go with iran since its the capital spot for terrorism and their threating to isreal.

  • Wyatt

    Ron Paul is truly a loose cannon , short sighted and ignorant of world relations . On one hand he is correct , we should worry about America . On the other , we MUST worry about the spread of nuclear weapons in the hands of a militant regime who has no compunctions about using them in order to advance their agenda . If this half senile old fool thinks for one instance that Iran would be justified in closing down the Straights to prevent sanctions he should not be seeking the Presidency . Those who defend him should stop and think what it would mean to listen to him an sit back ignoring this bunch of crazed Iranian leaders as they lead us to a war no one will survive . You Have Been Warned !

    • sam

      Call him senile, as if name calling proves a point. He would wipe the floor with you in a debate. We have no justification for putting sanctions on Iran.

      • Brogan

        In the last debates Ron Paul has been swept up by the other canidtes.

        • http://google rose

          Oh really and what debate was that?

        • Jay

          Closer to the truth Brogan, all other candidates are scared shi*less of Ron Paul, including the lame-brained-media! And for good reasons. Ron Paul is the only one who has been consistent in regards to his common-sense policies, both domestic, and foreign. The same cannot be said for the rest of the wishy-washy, flip-flopping, two-faced, spineless, corporate-whores!

    • eddie47d

      Wyatt needs to chill out and stop the saber rattling. If Iran mines the Straits of Hormuz and closes it down who will be the biggest loser? Iran will be and they will do it to themselves. Much of the goods that Iran receives through trade travels through these Straits so they would be cutting themselves off. Iranian traders and fishermen would lose business because they also wouldn’t be able to use the Straits because of the mines.Thirdly Iran imports most of it’s refined oil and has little refinery capabilities. Their nation would come to a stand still in short order. We need to stand down and let them screw themselves. Fourthly if necessary we could blow up any mines if they interfere with international shipping. That is if those mines are in Kuwait’s, Bahrain’s or others territorial waters. There is more than one way to skin a cat.

  • Jagans

    Here we go again. Scare the crap out of the people so you can do whatever you want. It was done to us during the cold war, it caused the Vietnam war, and it allows polititians to kill our kids in god forsaken countries like the middle east. If Iran makes the slightest move to use nuclear weapons Isreal will blow it off the face of the earth. She will follow by subduing all of the rest of the mideast. We have nothing to fear but fear itself,and the Military Industrial Complex that runs this coutry. Hasent anyone seen the news? Irans airforce consists of aircraft that are now in our museums, flown by pilots who are afraid of their own shadows. Let them start something, and let Isreal finish it. It is time for the little hitler in iran to be forcibly removed. Go ahead punk, draw.

    • jimmy the greek

      That would be cool Jagan’s hell after the zionist nuked all the countries around them all the fallout and other nasties would end up back in your precious land of israel and there ears and noses well get even bigger then they well all get hump backs and look funnier than they do now , we can even put some of them in our zoos for the kids to feed rotten fruit to .

    • Karolyn

      Achmadinijad (sp) has no power. I remember when I was a kid looking up at the sky at night, I used to wonder if the plane lights I saw were bombers from Russia.

  • sam

    Ron Paul says to follow the constitution. The US is the bully in this situation.

  • 4-just_us

    well said,Jagans, well said

  • FreedomFighter

    Iran is Radical Islam

    According to my American Muslim source:

    Iran will do whatever is says it will do, they are fanatical and willing to die for the cause, they are willing to not only sacrifice themselves but everyone else also.

    So, if they say they will wipe out Isreal, they will without hesitation.

    If they say they will burn America in Islamic Nuclear Fire, they will as soon they can.

    If they say they will take over your country kill all christians and anyone else that will not convert to Islam, as you can plainly see in the middle east now — they will kill them all.

    Is that enough to start WWIII? Maybe

    Laus Deo
    Semper Fi

    • eddie47d

      More saber rattling and warmongering. Be prepared but stop our aggression in the Middle East or Anywhere. Remember Rome was the aggressor and went around the world invading other countries. Eventually those countries or tribes got pissed and fought back. The Roman Empire eventually fell because of expansionism and war so why would you want that same fate.

      • FreedomFighter

        I dont promote or want war, but I cannot ignore a clear and present danger.

        Ron Paul 2012

        Laus Deo
        Semper Fi

  • Rosco1776

    To all the war mongers on this site that want to nuke or attack Iran, please sign up now!! You first!
    We have the largest military in the world and we go around invading sovereign countries because we can. We occupy almost every nation surrounding China, Russia, Pakistan and Iran, do you think they’ll just roll over? How many times will we poke the wasp nest before we are stung?
    Question for you war mongers? How many nations has Iran invaded in the past 100 years? Zero (Iraq attacked Iran)
    How many countries has the US invaded aka interventions in the past 100 years? Too many to list so:
    http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/grossmaz/interventions.html

    I’ll take Ron Paul over all those running and in office any day!

    • Jay

      The majority of Americans oppose the U.S. government’s wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and believe that defence spending is the area that must be cut to reduce the federal deficit. However, many of us feel powerless to stop the ever-increasing bombings, invasions, and occupations of nations which pose no threat to us. Most of us have acquiesced to the “military-industrial complex” (a term coined by Dwight Eisenhower, who devoted his farewell address in 1961 to its “grave implications”). Having worked with abused people for more than 25 years, it does not surprise me to see that when we as individuals or as a society eat crap for too long, we become psychologically too weak to take action.

  • JustSayin

    You guys keep thinking in “conventional war” mode. Iran has already abundantly proven that they do not operate in that manner. They fight by proxy e.g. Hezbollah and Hamas. There will be no Iranian missile strikes, no tanks, no infantry, … Nukes make all that obsolete. We came up with ICBMs because they are fast and can be deployed and protected here at home or in a very difficult to intercept submarine. Iran isn’t going to think that way. Do any of you doubt that there will be “volunteers for martyrdom” lined up a thousand deep to be the ones on the fishing trawler with the suitcase bomb that takes out Haifa? How many of you know how cozy Ahmadinejad and Chavez are. Any ship that can reach Venezuela can reach New York. You can put a lot of suitcase bombs on a container ship. And that fishing trawler can make it from Caracas to Miami, Houston, New Orleans …
    As for the whole “They know they’d be wiped out in retaliation so that will stop them” argument. BS! Militant Islam is a death cult. There is no higher honor than to die as a soldier of jihad. Martyring your whole country may not make sense to you, but you aren’t them. They don’t care if they “win”. They win when the conflagration starts and the 13th imam appears. Stop thinking about what you would do and try thinking as them. That failure of imagination on RP’s part is very troubling. He seems to be able to think of “what would you do if you were them” in western terms, but not in their terms and that is just plain dangerous!
    p.s. It’s too late to go back on the gold standard, there isn’t enough gold in the world to back up all the trillions in circulation, and nobody is going to want there money devalued to a level that makes sense with gold at current prices.

    • eddie47d

      Just Sayin; We overthrew the Iranian government and made Iran a proxy nation in 1953. Is that acceptable to you or will you understand why they don’t trust the USA. The 9/11 Saudi hijackers were mad at the USA because we had American troops on their soil and we were “spoiling” sacred ground. Why do some of you keep insisting they have no reason to hate us but we should only hate them? We have some heavy beams stuck in our eyes and soon we will all be blind.

      • JustSayin

        I just reread my post and don’t se any mention of American occupation or even the “why they hate us” arguments. What I’m saying is that now, today, the Iranian government has stated in the clearest terms that if they had a nuke they would use it. To think that someone who says he intends to kill you is kidding or just engaging in puffery is naive at best, and quite possibly fatal at worst.

      • eddie47d

        The US and Russia used that same language back in the 50′s against each other. It became mutually assured destruction and each side didn’t dare draw first. I certainly don’t want any nation to have nukes but Iran shouldn’t be threatened with a nuke attack either or even any type of war.

        • FreedomFighter

          You do not understand them Eddie, the mind of the fanatic, they will if allowed do what they say.

          Bath the world in blood, killing you me and everyone else.

          Laus Deo
          Semper Fi

          • Boatman99

            You are a real frightening individual. There must be a couple dozen corpses with your name on it at least. I get goose bumps everytime I read one of your post and going by your name you must be a product of our excellent miltary complex. A real piece of work.

          • FreedomFighter

            I scare you?

            When you have an entire country of fanatics calling for your death and destruction, and I tell you about it, I scare you?

            You missplace your fear, go hide under your bed now.

            Better to be a product our Military, then a spinless fool.

            Laus Deo
            Semper Fi

          • Joe H.

            Quit worrying about Iran and NUKES!!!! If they get real close to getting them AND launch capability, isreal would take them out in a heartbeat!!! They would have no choice!! It isn’t our business till they ATTACK US IN SOME WAY!!! The only problem WE have is that Abummer will send ships up the strait to show them how TOUGH we are and they will “attack” one of our ships!!! Anyone remember the Tonkin gulf incident????

        • eddie47d

          With all our nukes They would be DEADER than any of us. We have plenty of over kill even if we dismantle half of them.

  • Bob Marshall

    The US placed sanctions on Iraq before the Gulf War in which 500,000 Iraqi children died from starvation and diseases.When a reporter asked, Madelene Albright if it was worth it? She replied, yes! we think it was.

    • jimmy the greek

      She is a zionist !

      • Jay

        A zionist cow!

  • Jagans

    Ron Paul is the only man in DC who is telling you the truth. Bringing up all this crap about Korea and Iran is a transparent attempt by the current administration to divert the attention of US citizens away from the pathetic condition we are now in due to the greed of the theives we sent to washington.

  • Princeton67

    Ron Paul’s knowledge of international relations is appallingly abysmal. Because he is a viable candidate, he is a dangerous man. We are not living in the 18th century insofar as foreign involvements are concerned – - – although there is an interesting overlap between the Barbary Pirates and Ahmadinejad.

  • blackwingA520

    Screw Ron Paul and Screw Iran. A vote for Paul will just Make it easier for the A-hole to get back in and finish his job of destroying the economy. As for Iran, they need to be taken out, NOW! They are a pus filled infection on this planet.

    • jimmy the greek

      Then go there and kill you some of them ! But don’t look for me to help you .

    • eddie47d

      Iran could be a threat but what is your direct link to their damaging the USA? Dispising Muslims and hearsay evidence is not a very good excuse for starting any war.

      • blackwingA520

        How about them shipping weapons over the border to Iraq and helping Al Qaida in the fight against our troops. And their president saying “Isreal should be wiped off the map” and they are trying to block the straight of Hormuz. Enough excuse for me!

      • eddie47d

        That’s all bluster! Beside neither Iraq or Iran approved of al Qaeda.We need solid evidence not your hyped up excuses.

        • FreedomFighter

          Only a globalist, fool or fanatic wants war.

          Laus Deo
          Semper Fi

    • Karolyn

      Well, they feel the same about us. Now what does that solve? How would you feel if China kept meddling in our affairs? I’m sure you wouldn’t like it much.

  • James

    Sanctions are an act of war, so let it be known if your people are the recipient of sanctions, and a fighting war break breaks out, you will know who started it where as we in the US are blind to it.

    As far as I know the Iranian people are mostly pro west, and don’t support the rulers and mullahs. Dropping bombs on Iran will change that, and cause a surge of nationalism. Economic engagement with the people with western products, more satellite TVs etc will allow communication, and more western support by the people.

    Ron Paul correctly wants to engage people economically in many countries, and not use economic warfare. The policy of sanctions is isolationist, not Ron Paul.

    • JustSayin

      And the arming of terrorists who regularly attack an avowed ally is what exactly, if not an act of war? I share your belief of most of the Iranian people being pro-western if given the opportunity, but that does not excuse their government from what they have been doing any more than the way you believe our government’s actions have put us at risk.
      How do you intend to engage economically with the people of a country whose government held hostage some hikers who got lost in the desert?
      Iran could stop the sanctions pretty quickly by renouncing and ceasing to fund their terrorist proxies and ending their quest for nuke’s. No one is threatening them with anything but retaliation. The ball’s in their court, not ours.
      While understanding history is important, it’s not going to matter a hill of beans after the mushroom clouds go up.

      • Joe H.

        JustSayin,
        Get caught lost and hiking along the border of China and see what happens. hell, try Mexico, for that matter. Not ALL countries are like the US who will let any Tom, Dick, and Harry wander over the border and offer citizenship to them, AUTOMATICALLY!! Ever heard of a sovereign nation???

  • Clarence

    In a speech in San Francisco, top Gen. Wesley Clark recounted a memo drafted by former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld’s office in the wake of 9-11 that was brought to his attention by a top Pentagon official. The neo-con’s plot, he was told, was “to attack and destroy the governments in seven countries in five years—we’re going to start with Iraq and then we’re going to move to Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia and Iran.” Clark said the neo-cons “wanted us to destabilize the Middle East, turn it upside down, and make it under our control.” This plan was already established in 1991 by Defense official Paul Wolfowitz

  • Rennie

    First of all, Congress makes foreign policy and declares war, that is the right message which Paul keeps repeating and no one hears. Second, it’s stupid to assume Iran is not already a nuclear power, probably not three years ago, but it is now with all the help Russia, China, North Korea can give and Obama/Biden could look the other way for. We gad a chance to help rebellion in Iran, Sen. Biden and Obama weren’t there for those people. But they have been there everywhere shias want to overthrow sunni governments, since Iran is controlled by shias, and are extending their influence through every “arab spring”, I think it unlikelye Obama/Biden will act against them with more than words or useless sanctions. As for closing the gulf, it is their gulf, we have run blockades to portect our neighboring waters (Monroe Doctrine?) which do violate international maritime policy. We havn’t gone to war with China over their agression in the Taiwan Straits, nor with Russia for some of the things that have occurred in teh Bering Sea over the decades. And we don’t need one drop of Middle East oil, we have plenty oil, coal and gas within our own borders that only stupid tree huggers and the nuclear industry are preventing us from using.

  • Rocketman

    I want to make this as clear as I possibly can. THE UNITED STATES IS TOTALLY BROKE. WE CANNOT POSSIBLITY AFFORD TO GET INVOLVED IN ANOTHER WAR IN THE MIDEAST EVEN IF IT’S ISRAEL THAT IS BEING ATTACKED.
    Is that clear enough? Go and google “What does a trillion dollars look like?” You will see with your own eyes just how big a debt that the United States has and at the end you will see 116.5 trillion which is what we owe in unfunded liabilities. I support Ron Paul for the simple reason is that he is the ONLY republican candidate that will cut the spending not just slow down the increase. Ron Paul 2012.

  • Barry

    Barry says:
    January 2, 2012 at 1:00 pm
    Dear Sir- I agreed with you last time maybe last week. But Ron Paul is by far the best leader for America. His Foreign Policy I agree with . First we are broke. Be not deceived. Get back to Sound Money we want be.Second Ron Paul policy JOB is to report to Congress and have them DO their JOB either to DECLare WAR on Iran or anyother nation. So lets keep things in context. First Sound Money ( Gold and Silver backing the dollar)causes strong forces . Second Foreign policy by The President reporting to Congress to declare war. Ron Paul would be by far the best leader for this NAtion. Righteous governing. If we continue with the fed’s current policy you can kiss our military good by. Paper Money ruins all things in a Nation including its power forces. The other is Liberty with the threats by the Arabs which or who will most likly ” dirty bomb” us soon . We need our liberties KEEPED! Because the Arabs ( Bastards)goals are for our loss of liberties. They Win what they set out to do.. If they succeed with their terrorist attacks and parleyed with finacial collaspe we will lose our liberites and the freedoms from which we STAND FOR” they win when our government set up in NEW Laws , Marshall Law, Police states our liberites are lost . Stay free no matter what terrorist through at us. STAY FREE! STAY FREE! America choose the True Leader on Foreign Policy Ron Paul. Congress declares war not the President. Go far the GOld America !! Hit the right MARK.Ron Paul for President! If not America will change and bring much sorrow in the near future. Go America Go Ron Paul

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  • Capitalist at Birth

    As I expected the Paulistas are out in full force here today. Spouting boring drivel as usual. Ron Paul does not have a chance of getting the Republican nomination for President now or ever. What will you do then? Write his name in, even if most states do not count write votes? That is in effect a vote for Obama. Good luck with that.

    • http://google rose

      You know nothing. How you figure?

    • Ted Crawford

      Eddie47d and Karolyn support Ron Paul! When those two far left zealots support one he clearly can’t even remotely be considered a conservative!

      • Jay

        Ted, Eddie and Karolyn, including myself, Personal Liberty Digest, and 90% of dedicated bloggers to this site, support Ron Paul! Question is: What are you, doing here? Shill!

    • JC

      Capitalist at Birth says:
      January 2, 2012 at 1:06 pm
      As I expected the Paulistas are out in full force here today. Spouting boring drivel as usual. Ron Paul does not have a chance of getting the Republican nomination for President now or ever. What will you do then? Write his name in, even if most states do not count write votes? That is in effect a vote for Obama. Good luck with that.
      _________________________________________________________________
      And in what way would the Globalist RINO’s Romney, Perry or Gingrich be any different than Obama? Good luck with that…

    • Joe H.

      CAB,
      At last count I heard which was about 10:30 pm, ron Paul was in a very close second in Iowa. At that time, it could still go either way!! Don’t count your eggs before the hen lays them, Abummerite!!!

  • Sirian

    There seems to be a broad variety of sentiments in relation to R.P. and the touchy situation we and many others hold with Iran and the Mid-East turmoil in an overall view. As to a possible solution that would not involve us, or any other nation, in an unwanted war scenario is actually quite simple. Open up drilling of all oil and natural gas fields plus coal mines, uranium mines, silver mines etc., big or small – all of it – while doing the exact same along the left, right and southern coast lines. Yes, I know, the environmentalist mentality will rise up in force but by such action would we not become so totally independent, energy wise that the problems in the Mid-East would become, rightfully so, secondary in concern? Where oh where does Iran get the money to run it’s theocratic/totalitarian form of radical government? Where oh where does Saudi Arabia get its money to unfortunately supply side factions with funding so as to maintain their monarchy? Where oh where does Hezbollah, Hamas etc. get their funding, excluding or idiotic foreign assistance, from? When you step back and look at the entire picture of the Mid-East countries, well, let me be more specific, countries in that region of the world which the majority of turmoil is taking place and being prompted from, their primary financial state is based on the oil production that they have. Again, we have the resources to attend to not only our own needs for at least another one hundred to two hundred years but also open further market lanes with the rest of the world. By this type action the theocratical dictators/monarchs in that region of the world would lose or have their financial base depleted to a point of inability to fund the radicals via Wahhabism or not. This simple action, in and of itself, would produce a financial base shield that inevitably protects us from any further threats – saber rattling or otherwise. In due course it would also slowly but surely eliminate, in total, the economic abyss we have fallen into. Of course, the Fed has to go – without question. That has played a major role in all of the economic problems our country has suffered since its inception in 1913. But it would also be very advisable to totally clean out both houses of Congress and the Oval Office at the same time. I’m confident that but a few would disagree with that. So, step back for a moment an give this a second or two of thought. We may still get pulled into a politically based war – Lord I pray not – but if we can change directions and head down a different path it could without doubt return our country to a land of free people that hold the prize gift – individual freedom, as so intended by our Constitution.

  • Robert Button

    Iran does not have any such right. This guy is further to the left then Obama. The next thing you know he’ll be wanting to legalize Dope, and prostitution, oh wait a minute he’s already done that.

    • Jay

      Robert, dope and prostitution has always been legal, just not for the ordinary citizens, but only for politicians! You are one brain-washed DOPE!

  • Noah

    Is Ron Paul a Jimmy Carter replica ?

    He needs to be sent off and released on the Afghanistan/Pakistan border.

    As a life long registered Republican, I will vote for Obama if Ron Paul win the Republican nomination.
    Puttin would make for a better President than Ron.

    Ron is a total loser, a Bolshevik !!!!!

    How low has the Republican party gone, to have him a a presidential candidate.

    Disgraceful

    • eddie47d

      Putin =Paul? Are you for real? Putin is a Nationalist and a Expansionist who wants to relive old Russia’s glory. The Russian economy is also in bad shape and Putin isn’t so popular anymore.To me he is just another dictator. Ron Paul doesn’t believe in militaristic expansionism but economic expansionism. Obama will appreciate your vote Noah.

    • JC

      Better get your meds adjusted you’re hallucinating again.

  • Jay

    Americans fail to recognize is that these ongoing wars have little to do with keeping the country safe and everything to do with enriching the military industrial complex at taxpayer expense. War–or the art of killing–has unfortunately become a huge money-making venture, and America, with its vast military empire, is one of its best buyers and sellers.

    Unfortunately, Americans have been inculcated with a false, misplaced sense of patriotism about the military that equates devotion to one’s country with supporting the war machine so that any mention of cutting back on the massive defence budget is immediately met with outrage. Yet they might be surprised to learn that little of the money being spent on so-called defence is actually being used for national defence, meanwhile those in uniform are being used as convenient fronts for a military industrial complex that is bilking taxpayers out of billions of dollars in questionable defence spending.

    A government audit, for example, found that defense contractor Boeing has been massively overcharging taxpayers for mundane parts, resulting in tens of millions of dollars in overspending. As the report noted, the American taxpayer paid:

    $71 for a metal pin that should cost just 4 cents; $644.75 for a small gear smaller than a dime that sells for $12.51: more than a 5,100 percent increase in price. $1,678.61 for another tiny part, also smaller than a dime, that could have been bought within DoD for $7.71: a 21,000 percent increase. $71.01 for a straight, thin metal pin that DoD had on hand, unused by the tens of thousands, for 4 cents: an increase of over 177,000 percent.

    Congress and the White House want taxpayers to accept that the only way to reduce the nation’s ballooning deficit and avoid raising the debt ceiling is by cutting “entitlement” programs such as Social Security and Medicare. Yet if the government would just take the amount spent on the war in Afghanistan this year alone ($122 billion in FY2011) and reallocate it where it’s needed here at home, it would entirely wipe out the projected budget shortfalls for fiscal year 2012 for 41 states and the District of Columbia, totaling $103 billion.

    The problem we wrestle with is none other than a distorted American empire, complete with mega-corporations, security-industrial complexes and a burgeoning military. And it has its sights set on absolute domination. Yet at the height of its power, even the mighty Roman Empire could not stare down a collapsing economy and a burgeoning military. Prolonged periods of war and false economic prosperity largely led to its demise, and it is feared that America, by repeating Rome’s mistakes, is headed toward a similar collapse.

    Rome attempted to keep its empire and lost its democracy. Britain chose to remain democratic and in the process let go its empire. Intentionally or not, the people of the United States already are well embarked upon the course of non-democratic empire.

    Source: http://njtoday.net/2011/07/12/the-military-industrial-complex-the-enemy-from-within/

  • SamKD

    Personally I want nothing to do with a nut case like Ron Paul. He is nothing but a socialist in sheep’s clothing and America would be much better off with him gone from politics, elected or otherwise. He really doesn’t believe in the America that our founding fathers fought and died for and the country that they projected for us. I find him offensive, to say the least, and he has no business in the Republican debates, as he is not a Republican. I sure hope that Personal Liberty does not support this man, if so I would have to re-think this site…

    • Jay

      Personal Liberty fully supports Ron Paul, SamKD! So i guess these means, ADIOS MUCHACHO!

    • Realist

      Sammy boy! How’d you get so conditioned by the fox news?
      Your got your nose caught in the NWO zionist Hebrew shot glass!
      Tune in to infowars.net and RBN live and get some kind of
      education before your really make a fool of yourself worse
      than you alreay have…sheesh! No wander Ron paul gets a bad rap!
      Listening to MSM and the NWO globalists…..ASLEEP!!!!!

  • Brogan

    Jay proof on what

  • Brogan

    Eddie47 they will if they get a nuke

    • eddie47d

      Only if you keep wishing for it Brogan!

    • Jay

      Pure speculation Brogan, based on paranoia, and propaganda. Btw, what is your source for news? The fear-moungaring, alphabet media?

  • hitthedeck

    You don’t have to be a political expert to figure out the upcoming conflict with Iran. They have been stabbing us in the back since Carter let them walk all over us. The trouble with Ron Paul is he would rather do nothing even if they attack Israel. He is right about one thing and if we do go up against Iran, congress and the President must declare war and put their leaders in front of a war crimes tribunal. If ever religion should be separated from state, it is Islim.

    • Brogan

      THANK YOU hiitthedeck.

    • JC

      hitthedeck says:
      January 2, 2012 at 8:24 pm
      You don’t have to be a political expert to figure out the upcoming conflict with Iran. They have been stabbing us in the back since Carter let them walk all over us. The trouble with Ron Paul is he would rather do nothing even if they attack Israel.
      ________________________________________________________________
      How did you get that out of “No war unless authorized by Congress”
      Just another RINO with just another twisted viewpoint.

  • Jay

    Propaganda’s Consistent Pattern
    Upon careful examination of news reports on actual, “possible” or “future” terrorist attacks, the propaganda campaign exhibits a consistent pattern. Similar concepts appear simultaneously in hundreds of media reports:

    They refer to “reliable sources”, a growing body of evidence –e.g. government or intelligence or FBI.

    They invariably indicate that the terrorist groups involved have “ties to bin Laden” or Al Qaeda, or are “sympathetic to bin Laden”,

    The reports often points to the possibility of terrorist attacks, “sooner or later” or “in the next two months”.

    The reports often raise the issue of so-called “soft targets”, pointing to the likelihood of civilian casualties.

    They indicate that future terrorist attacks could take place in a number of allied countries (including Britain, France, Germany) in which public opinion is strongly opposed to the US-led war on terrorism.

    They confirm the need by the US and its allies to initiate “pre-emptive” actions directed against these various terrorist organizations and/or the foreign governments which harbour the terrorists.

    They often point to the likelihood that these terrorist groups possess WMD including biological and chemical weapons (as well as nuclear weapons). The links to Iraq and “rogue states” (discussed in Part I) is also mentioned.

    The warnings also include warnings regarding “attacks on US soil”, attacks against civilians in Western cities.

    They point to efforts undertaken by the police authorities to apprehend the alleged terrorists.

    The arrested individuals are in virtually all cases Muslims and/or of Middle Eastern origin.

    The reports are also used to justify the Homeland Security legislation as well as the “ethnic profiling” and mass arrests of presumed terrorists.

    To be “effective” the fear and disinformation campaign cannot solely rely on unsubstantiated “warnings” of future attacks, it also requires “real” terrorist occurrences or “incidents”, which provide credibility to the Administration’s war plans.

    Propaganda endorses the need to implement “emergency measures” as well as implement retaliatory military actions.

    The triggering of “war pretext incidents” is part of the Pentagon’s assumptions. In fact it is an integral part of US military history. In fact in 1962, the Joint Chiefs of Staff had envisaged a secret plan entitled “Operation Northwoods, to deliberately trigger civilian casualties to justify the invasion of Cuba: “We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba,” “We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington” “casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.”

    There is no evidence that the Pentagon or the CIA played a direct role in recent terrorist attacks. The latter were undertaken by organisations (or cells of these organisations), which operate quite independently, with a certain degree of autonomy.

    This independence is in the very nature of a covert intelligence operation. The «intelligence asset» is not in direct contact with its covert sponsors. It is not necessarily cognizant of the role it plays on behalf of its intelligence sponsors.

    The fundamental question is who is behind them? Through what sources are they being financed? What is the underlying network of ties?

    A recent (2002) classified outbrief drafted to guide the Pentagon «calls for the creation of a so-called « Proactive, Pre-emptive Operations Group » (P2OG), to launch secret operations aimed at “stimulating reactions” among terrorists and states possessing weapons of mass destruction — that is, for instance, prodding terrorist cells into action and exposing themselves to “quick-response” attacks by U.S. forces.»

    The P2OG initiative is nothing new. It essentially extends an existing apparatus of covert operations. Amply documented, the CIA has supported terrorist groups since the Cold War era. This « prodding of terrorist cells » under covert intelligence operations often requires the infiltration and training of the radical groups linked to Al Qaeda.

    Covert support by the US military and intelligence apparatus has been channelled to various Islamic terrorist organisations through a complex network of intermediaries and intelligence proxies.

    Moreover, numerous official statements, intelligence reports confirm recent links (in the post Cold War era) between US military-intelligence units and Al Qaeda operatives, as occurred in Bosnia (mid 1990s), Kosovo (1998-99) and Macedonia (2001).

    The Republican Party Committee of the US Congress in a 1997 report points to open collaboration between the US military and Al Qaeda operatives in the civil war in Bosnia.

    • Boatman99

      Very good and well explained information, thank you.

    • JC

      Yep! Same BS over and over.
      And sadly people actually buy into it.
      The media tells them what to think, and they think
      what they are told to…sad.

  • http://yahoo scout

    VOTE RON PAUL

  • Brogan

    Instead of beliving EVERYTHING you hear do some research of your own

    • Joe H.

      Brogan,
      Good advice, why don’t YOU avail of it??? Have you ever looked at R. Pauls voting record?? I doubt it! Have you ever READ his stance on war? I doubt it! Have you ever read ANYTHING on his stance on ANYTHING??? Bet not!! You just come here and SPOUT and parrot the MSM spew, eyes clamped shut and when someone tries to tell you something TRUE, you simply cover your ears and go UMMMMMMMUMMMMM I CAN’T HEAR YOU!!!! Just like a five year old!!!

  • AJ

    Obamas handlers want Obama to start a conflict with Iran. There’s profit in it for them.

    • yankee doodle dandy

      Take some time to read the history of Iran since the second world war.
      Iran had a duly elected goverment in 1951. That goverment made the mistake af trying to negotiate high price from British Petroleum for its crude oil (10 cents per barrell at that time). British Petroleum asked for assistance from the British Goverment who in turn asked for assistance from the USA. Harry Truman essentially told them to jump in a lake, However when Eisenhower came into office early in 1953, he gave the CIA the go ahead to work with the British in overthrowing the Iranian goverment. Thus the Shah of Iran was born. We spent the next 20 years upholding this dictatorship. The people of Iran have good reason to dislike and distrust the actions and motives of The USA with good cause. It’s time to get real in dealing with Iran in trusting and supportive way, if you want to change their view of The USA and Israel.

      • JC

        The Saudi story is very similar.

  • Alex Frazier

    When I was young, still in middle school, I was the unimposing figure. I had a nice haircut, button-up shirt, dress shoes, etc. I was a prime target to be picked on. And that’s exactly what happened. I was picked on until I stood up for myself and showed the bullies, two different ones on two separate occassions, that I wasn’t easy prey. The conflicts, much to their chagrin, ended with broken bones and plenty of blood, because I didn’t leave off until I got pulled off.

    After such incidents, having first of all generated a bit of a reputation, and secondly coming to grips with the fact that I was tougher than even I myself gave me credit for, I turned into a bully myself. Subconsciously, I think, I believed that being openly tough kept the would-be bullies away better than merely defending myself when it was needful.

    Years later, once I was grown, I came to understand that fighting is about hurting someone else, and I recognized that the best course of action was the biblical one, that if at all possible, be at peace with all men. There is no glory in fighting, nor honor, nor gains to be had. If you fought, someone was going to be injured, and that person’s life would never be the same.

    Thus, if someone wanted to fight me, it was because they wanted to cause me injury. And with that in mind, I was absolutely merciless in my twenties and early thirties when confronted with violent situations. I had no quams about causing permanent injuries, and I often contemplated under what circumstances I could get away with just outright killing someone.

    I spent time during those years as a bouncer as well. After years of experience in the trade, I came to understand that the Road House philosophy is spot on. There’s no reason not to be polite. It’s the whole catching more flies with honey idea. I also found that praise was very effective.

    In some situations, I would approach someone who was being problematic. Due to my reputation in the place with a lot of the regulars, a surprising number of people would calm down out of respect for me. They knew I had a job to do, that I didn’t want to carry them out, etc. And I would often get, “man, I’m sorry. I’ll chill, bro.” In other situations, I might approach someone and beef them up. “Dude, I know you can kick his a$$. He’s nothing. He’s a b1tch. But bro, you put me in harm’s way if you start something, ’cause you know I have to break it up and get you guys out. So chill. Do it for me. I know you can tear him up, but do me the favor. Cool?”

    Now, as I break into my forties, I have put the cumulative wisdom together. I recognize that if I don’t go to places where fights can be provoked, no one will pick a fight with me. If I’m not part of the peace keeping, I won’t be in harm’s way trying to break something up. If I never get in a fight, no one can ever cry that I crippled them for life with a broken knee. If I don’t make myself a target, but make my toughness known, those who would consider themselves to be stronger will think twice about bothering me without a good reason. And if someone brings the fight to me, I’ll shoot them from the safety of my own walls.

    Those who are for war with Iran and other nations in the middle east are the ones who are truly naive. Such folks lack the wisdom of what war really is. War is not about trade. It’s not about honor. It’s not about profit. War is about killing and plundering, plain and simple.

    If you flex your muscles just enough on the few instances when it is needful, people will respect and fear you. If you become the bully yourself, people will hate you, and eventually stand up to you and teach you humility. If you win the friendship of those who would cause trouble, their respect for your friendship will help to stay their hand from trouble. If you build up those who would cause trouble, sometimes you can convince them it’s not worth it. If you separate yourself from places and situations where fights are provoked, chances are that you will not find yourself in one. If you don’t put yourself in a position where you have to get between others who are fighting, there is no chance of injury. And if you arm yourself, you can defend your own home when trouble comes looking for you.

    This is wisdom in conflict. I don’t care how many guns my neighbor on the other side of town is collecting … until he comes marching down my street with them.

    Our foreign policy needs to adopt the same wisdom. Iran is a threat because we make them a threat. We have bullied the middle east for years, and they are standing up to us. We have put ourselves in harm’s way, and in so doing we will be harmed. We frequent a place that is notorious for fights, and a fight will come to us if we are there.

    If we just stay home and mind our own business, there will be no war, there will be no threat … and if the threat comes to us, we have a tremendous arsenal. We’ll kill anyone who tries to come to our shores.

    So offense intended to those who keep saying that folks who support Ron Paul’s foreign policy have their head in the sand. My head is right where it should be. It’s in the game. If you don’t understand the rules, the strategy, and the goal, you’re going to lose. The objective is peace. The strategy is neutrality. The rules are kill the man with the ball; if you get into the thick of the action, you’re going to eventually get tackled.

  • TEXAS TRUTH SEEKER

    WOW—RON PAUL SUPPORTERS—WE HAVE OUT WORK CUT OUT FOR US.
    NEVER GIVE UP—-”FALL DOWN SEVEN TIMES, GET UP EIGHT.”
    LET’S KEEP THE MESSAGE OF “LIBERTY” ALIVE.

    RON PAUL—-2012

    • Joe H.

      Right On!!! RON PAUL/ANDREW NAPOLITANO 2012!!!!! As the cable guy says “get ‘er done”!!!!

  • Gringo Infidel

    This ‘prediction’ hardly requires much foreign policy experience.

    Iran WANTS the U.S. to attack her in order to portray themselves as the martyr.

    Sanctions and containment will continue to slowly work. If it was not working then they would not be so desperate.

    Let them choke on their hypocrisy.

  • Zeke

    War against Iran only serves the military industrial complex whose livelyhood depends on continued ‘wars’. Can we afford the billions in cost for another Vietnam/Iraq debacle? I say to blazes with that! Unless of course Iran lands troops at Disney World or L.A. or the Virgin Islands, then the Congress can decide to DECLARE War on the Identified offenders. And then and only then ………….

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