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Ron Paul Doesn’t Exist

November 18, 2011 by  

Ron Paul Doesn’t Exist

Listening to the mainstream government propaganda arm corporatist media, one would think Ron Paul doesn’t exist; or, if he does, there’s no way he’s going to be the Republican nominee.

But something happened on the way to the media blackout party. Ron Paul’s message is winning despite the concerted effort by the political and media elites to act like he’s not really there. In Iowa, Paul is in a four-way tie with Herman Cain, Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich, according to a new Bloomberg News survey.

In New Hampshire, Paul is now second to Romney according to a Bloomberg News poll of that State’s voters. New Hampshire is essentially Romney’s home State, and he holds a commanding lead there; but a win in Iowa and strong second place in the Granite State would cement Paul as the leading anti-Romney candidate.

And according to Public Policy Polling, Paul now leads President Barack Obama 48 percent to 39 percent among the key independent voters. So that should put a damper on any arguments that Paul can’t beat Obama.

The mainstream media insist Paul doesn’t really exist, but more Americans are finding him every day — despite the media’s best efforts to sweep him aside, paint him as a kook or call him irrelevant. As one after another of the “chosen” neocon candidates flame out, it looks more and more like Paul will be the last man standing in a two-way Republican race with the flip-flopping Romney.

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is an ultra-conservative American and author of The Bob Livingston Letter™, founded in 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Harley-Davidson

    Dont forget, Ron Paul won the Illinois straw poll by a landslide.

    • Scott E Downer

      The People now have the web that can look up people were the media did not years ago. Ron Paul 2012 !

    • eddie47d

      Considering that Ron Paul was only allowed to speak for 89 seconds in the last debate I think we can conclude he was jilted.

      • meteorlady


        • Moses

          Mainstream media is paid by the Democratic Party, but they have to give equal time to the GOP. So they do, but they control who gets how much time to talk, and they were told, by the Democrats, to give Ron Paul as little time as possible. Which they did.

        • chavis0704

          Also they go by who is highest in the polls (according to them at least, because i think all the polls are rigged) The person that is highest, gets the most time and hardest questions to make them look bad. if they are low, they are non-existant. they get no time, no questions, nothing. That is how most of the main stream media works.

      • Contriban

        eddie47d you COMMIE!

    • Dale

      To All
      Check out the main stream media an see who own the stock in those companies this will tell you why they are afraid of Dr. Paul. They only promote bisiness as usual canidates and cater to the likes of George Soros and the NEW WORLD ORDER, Because they own these net works. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH and find out for your self.

    • Jim Lundberg

      And Ron Paul won the California Straw poll with 43% and the San Diego Straw Poll with 30%. Gotta go make more banners…and sticky notes. We here in San Diego have discovered sticky note bombing, which is both fun, efficient, and productive, if you have the right message on the 3″ square little poster we are making.

    • Don Jusko

      Ron Paul also won the CA straw poll. He will follow the Constitution, audit the Fed, bring the troops home and protect our borders. What’s not to love?


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  • Eddie

    Dr Pauls message of absolute freedom is truly refreshing. either he hits the reset button on our economy or china does it by dumping our bonds on the open market. which do you prefer?

  • Johnny in the Pedros

    This country needs a doctor.

    • Al Sieber

      What it really needs is a political enema.

      • Old Henry

        LOL! What a mental picture!

        Hey Al, ya got yer sweatshirt on yet? I’ve been in my jeans and sweatshirt for several weeks now. Argh!

        • Al Sieber

          Yeah Henry, long johns, etc. I’ve been working different hours also, it’s dark when I go to work, and dark when I go home. it’s getting weird out here, everybody and their brother looking for gold. had to put a gate up to keep people out and I’m still in the middle of nowhere. seems everybody is fleeing the cities. somebody took a ax to the lock on my gate, didn’t work. this was in broad daylight, so everyone working with me is armed, I’ll see how this plays out.

          • Joe H.

            Al Seiber,
            hey bud, keep BOTH ends down!!! We need you here!!! God Bless and keep safe!!

    • ernest

      ya” a doctor that won’t change like Jekyll & Hyde as soon as he is elected, if you don’t beleave look at his record.

      • Old Henry


        The thing that worries me is the CIA’s “special medicine” once he is elected and begins the enema…

        • Joe H.

          Old Henry,
          that’s why we have to elect a running mate just as straight foreward as him!!!

          • Don Jusko

            Let him pick his own running mate, I don’t trust anyone else to do it, not even me.

          • Joe H.

            Don J.,
            That’s why I say Ron Paul/ Judge Napolitano. ron Paul suggested him himself!!!

        • cleve

          I am embarrassed to say that years ago I was told Ron Paul was a great candidate for president. I didn’t believe he could be elected so I ignored him. Over the last 4 years I have listened and watched mutiple forums he has been involved in and ” WOW, THIS GUY IS THE BEST PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE SINCE RONALD REAGAN !

      • Patriot1776

        Well, he has yet to compromise his principles….so I would say there is less chance of him being compromised than the others who already have a proven track record of such.

      • Rhondar

        Yeah—just look at his record on the New American FREEDOM INDEX


  • Bruce

    This should be abundantly clear and what should you take away from this blantant example of behavior is {just how controlled the media really is.} I have said it before, but I will say it yet again.

    Who owns the AP?
    Who owns the IP?
    Who owns the UIP?

    It makes no differance what media you watch they all get their info from one of these noted above. So rather its FOX or MSNBC, they are all one in the same.
    YOU only think there is a differance based on “who they have spinning the web.” YET the Spider is the same one who gives out the silk to make the web.

    So whats the end result? Wasted time watching or listing as all it will do is inflame, yet daily many of you repeat the same worthless rhetoric from these alledged news sources, why is that?

    Let me ask any of you who think one is better than the other news, you say wake up to others, so why would anyone listen to you when your sleeping too? Its 100% lies, so what are you arguing about?
    The question is clear, are you an AMERICAN or not?

    Please watch this youtube feed, then “PLEASE REALLY WAKE UP.” You are being totaly manipulated.

    Then please look into EO #1, the 13th & 14th Amendments, How many times do you have to read this for it to sink in?
    Buy a Black’s law book and learn the real meaning of the words.

    YOUR SLAVES, Wake UP, the NWO is here, WAKE UP.
    Do you have the GUTS to Educate yourself or are you the very sheep many of you talk about?

    If you can’t crawl you can’t stand up, nor can you walk, and if you can’t walk you can never run with the BIG DOGS.

    Your choice will you gravel like a beaten dog or will educate yourself?

    • Bruce

      Duh, long day yet its only 8:30 am the link is;

      • Bruce

        As I said in my post, NOW please note the two following post they clearly display what I just said in SPADES……….

        OMG we are so TOTALY SCREWED.

    • former walmart person

      The most educated egghead can still be shoved into a gas chamber. It takes more than being educated. It takes “guts”, “balls”, “manliness”, etc., to stand up to tyranny. “Fair weather” patriots can begin to start sitting it out as us rough seas patriots start taking the wheel. I credit the OWS movement although I don’t agree with their message. They have balls to face possible arrest, pepper spray, etc.. Me thinks that the tea party will just cave in an go home once the K9s and pepper spray start being used….

      • Beattyc5

        @former walmart person – where you go wrong is thinking that K9s and pepper spray will ever come into play at a tea party rally. Wise up – the OWS isn’t OWS any longer, it’s a bunch of vagrants who want money from the government, all of their bills wiped clean and free education and free healthcare – on your dime.
        Ron Paul will never win the presidency. Open borders and thinking he can “talk” to Korea are pipe dreams. His motives are great, but reality of that is absurd.

        • former walmart person

          Ron Paul is our only chance of possibly avoiding a hyperinflationary holocaust (litterally as it could lead to people starving). All other candidates’ grand ideas are spend more and put us into debt more, just to varying degrees. No one other than Ron Paul wants to abolish the Federal Reserve. That should be reason enough to support him. Also, even if you can convince me that it is our right to police the world, we just can’t freaking afford it any longer.

          We have nuclear weapons. Any country seriosuly screws with us, we nuke them, plain and simple. Otherwise, I don’t see why we can’t try to back off telling other countries what to do. Do you think it is ok for us to install dictators and puppets in other nations as we have done over the decades? Do you realize that Al Quieda is taking power in Libya? The same Al Quieda that is “officially” behind 911?

          Also, you are naive to think that our government won’t eventually crack down on the tea party no matter how peaceful the tea party is. The tea party is constantly demonized and all it takes is one person to breaks ranks and act violently, or government will just stage a fake tea partier going crazy to give them the excuse to crack down.

          • Betty Jo

            very true! We are for Ron Paul. He is not a neo-con! The media never tells you when he wins a poll. They always keep bragging on the others. I get so tired of it!

          • Wil

            The SEIU has already tried it.Their people were the “racists” and those acting up at rallies that MSNBC was so gleefilly covering.

        • DaveH

          Close your eyes and tap your heals three times, Beattyc5, and maybe your wishes about Ron Paul will come true. Don’t hold your breath though.
          And why are you spreading that tired old lie about Ron Paul wanting Open Borders?
          Here is the Truth:

          • todd thorp

            Well put dave, I agree

          • Alyssa

            I don’t get it… I went to your link and this is what I found…

            * Enforce Border Security – America should be guarding her own borders and enforcing her own laws instead of policing the world and implementing UN mandates.

            * No Amnesty – The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

            * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

            * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.

            * Protect Lawful Immigrants – As President, Ron Paul will encourage legal immigration by streamlining the entry process without rewarding lawbreakers.

            Can you please tell me how that means Ron Paul is for open borders? I’m confused…

          • DaveH

            I might try if I had said he WAS for open borders. But I didn’t. Beatty said that.

          • Don Jusko

            DaveH I can’t follow your post but you do have a good link that says Ron Paul will protect our borders. You said; “And why are you spreading that tired old lie about Ron Paul wanting Open Borders?
            Here is the Truth:

            You say one thing and link to another.
            Don’t bother explaining, I think you’re just new to posting.

          • Joe H.

            Don J.,
            If you think illegals comming across out porous borders is not an immigration problem, it IS! Illegal immigration is screwing the American worker left and right!! DaveHs linc was to the issues and Ron Paul speaking on the borders! Did you bother to read the information there??

        • DaveH

          As far as North Korea goes, Beattyc5, what good have we done with our military saber-rattling? Nothing but make them more fanatical. What is “absurd” is those of you who think the Perpetual Wars are ever going to bring us True Peace.
          Shed your Propaganda Blinders, Beatty, and wake up:

          • Old Henry

            I received an email recently with a sign stating:

            Fighting wars for peace is like screwing for virginity.

            I recommend using the link that Bruce has provided here several times.

            As the lesson unfolds Curt explains the world now has three “City States”. London is the banking / money City State. The Vatican is the spiritual City State. And DC is the world’s military City State.

            So, unless Ron Paul becomes president the perpetual wars will continue unabated.

        • meteorlady

          Dr.Paul would secure our borders, not open them. Don’t know where you got that idea.

        • meteorlady

          Funny even when he’s there he’s not. I watched a couple of the debates and a lot of the time he’s not even on camera.

          He must scare the living crap out of the media, the establishment and the government, as well as both parties.

          • DaveH

            He does. Ron Paul is going to upset their apple-cart in a major way. They’ve spent over a hundred years feathering their nests at the taxpayer’s expense and one man is threatening to end that. They are not happy.

          • Carol

            The media did the same thing to Fred Thompson in 2008. They blacked him out of almost everything. Now they’re trying to do the same thing to Ron Paul.

        • Alyssa

          * Enforce Border Security – America should be guarding her own borders and enforcing her own laws instead of policing the world and implementing UN mandates.

          * No Amnesty – The Obama Administration’s endorsement of so-called “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” granting amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants, will only encourage more law-breaking.

          * Abolish the Welfare State – Taxpayers cannot continue to pay the high costs to sustain this powerful incentive for illegal immigration. As Milton Friedman famously said, you can’t have open borders and a welfare state.

          * End Birthright Citizenship – As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be granted U.S. citizenship, we’ll never be able to control our immigration problem.

          * Protect Lawful Immigrants – As President, Ron Paul will encourage legal immigration by streamlining the entry process without rewarding lawbreakers.

          Can you please tell me how that means Ron Paul is for open borders? I’m confused…

          • DaveH


          • newspooner

            You are correct. Ron Paul has the best proposals to satisy the Tea Party conservatives. He is not for “open borders” in the way that the presstitutes are claiming to try to scare off conversatives. The way that he can be considered to be for open borders is in the true libertarian way. Visualize: a world where you are free to travel and live anywhere you want, a world where there would be no need for poor Mexicans to cross the border into the US illegally because they could get productive jobs in a free Mexico, a world where there would not be some stinking nazi bureaucrat in a stupid uniform at the airport or on the street saying “your papers please”, a world where you could have overseas financial accounts without needing to report to the US Treasury Department, a world where you could expect honest justice in any nation. Of course we don’t have this world because the communists have too much influence in every country in the world. Ron Paul knows this and supports immigration and border laws that protect our nation. Someday in the future, we would love to see no need for these laws, but for now, let’s force Juan Peron Obama and team to enforce the existing immigration laws. Get the US out of the llUN, and get the UN out of the US. Otherwise, all liberty will be lost. Ron Paul always files bills in Congress to do this.

    • Old Henry

      Well said Bruce.

      I learned to lift my leg so I can run with the big dogs.

      “Unlearning” is a hard process and I am still working at it.

      • Bruce


        Don’t fret, it took me a while to catch on too. Its really sad how long we all have been lied to so it really makes it a slow unwind as it were.
        Afterall the American public has been wound tighter than a frog butt hole with PRPAGANDA for 100 plus years.

        Just last week my boss spoke to over 200 College kids some who also have been doing the OWS, when they got it it was like watching a fire cracker go off. We hear things like Holly Sh&T, Oh My God, and many other “very colorful words,” of what I am sure you can figure out..

        The really “good news” is that many of these kids are now talking with others and the chain reaction may just take hold.
        By the way we give these lectures 100% for FREE.

        Its the POWER of ONE thing, every person we meet we do the America, DC, US inc game.
        How strange that 99% will say that the US inc. is America, 1% say DC is. No one gets the US inc thing until its explained to them.
        But when they get it, its like wild fire! Many are so pissed off they can’t even contain themself.
        We need this all to happening on a mass scale as in all 187 Million Voters standing up and taking back their Rights.

        PEACE & LOVE to all.

  • http://libertydigest Wyatt

    Exactly what we expect from the media today. Either ignore or slam any canidate that doesn’t agree with them. To bad they run the elections instead of the people.
    Ron Paul is the only hope this country has left to bring us back from the brink of destruction by the socialist left.

  • DavidL

    The only republican candidate that I respect is Ron Paul. The rest are book and cd sellers, living off the campaign contributions that they gull people into sending them, and people out of even the Republican mainstream. What happens to all the campaign cash of the losing candidates? They keep it! Nice gig.

    Vote for Ron Paul, he’s the only candidate with both brains and integrity.

  • Bobby

    Think about this: The mainstream media treats Paul like this because why exactly? Let’s see he stands for: real government spending cuts, following the rule-of-law (Constitution), pro-life, transparent govt., fixing the root of our economic problems with sound money, states rights, and most of all he is Pro-Freedom.

    So here is the $64K question: If Ron Paul stands for all of those things, what do the establishment/media stand for?

    Ron Paul is a man of the people, a man who can be trusted to do what he says he will do – he is a true American Patriot, and if we are successful, he will be the next POTUS!

    • todd thorp

      Well said bobby, I dont know where these Idiots come from that think they know about what Ron Paul is about. I dont think they do ther homework before they open there mouth and stick there foot in it. I totally agree. We need Ron Paul if were going to move on as Americans / Human beings. I cant stand the fact that these political terrorist that destroy our constitution over there greed for corruption and profits. Ron Paul for freedom and Equality. He is a human being. Not a label of segregation like the Republicans( money men) and the democrats. Those are just labels for segregation. take care and your views are heard and liked.

  • Rosco1776

    It’s now or never, do or die! Good luck folks, I’ll be doing my neighborhood canvassing for Dr. Paul here shortly. God bless and protect Ron Paul!

  • Jim Bethea

    As with most of today’s working class people; the only news they receive is via their TV elitist controlled media. Any reasonable thinking person could easily conclude that Ron Paul is the only choice for the Repulican party representation, as well as, the only candidate that has a broad knowledge of the solutions to our pertinent problems. Paul’s enemies are the Rothschild’s Dynasty many inter-woven corporations and they will do everything in their power to prevent Dr Paul from occupying the Oval Office. These cartels permeate every facet of our lives from their privately owned Federal Reserve, IMF, military industrial complex, to JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, CBS, NBC, ABC, Viacom, Comcast, GE and internationally affected by their privately controlled World Bank. Paul takes heavy media shots about the only issue the news can proliferate on, his foreign policy. His views are that the US should not and cannot afford to police the world at US taxpayer’s expense. I fully agree as has been seen over the past 11 years of attempting to dominate the oil rich middle eastern regions. The US has fueled the fires of resentment towards the US from most of the OPEC affiliates. The news has taken one of Ron’s debate statements out of context concerning Iran’s seeking nuclear weapons. Ron Paul said that if the US was going to try to rule over Iran’s nuclear capabilities then why are we not trying to control North Korea, China, Russia and the many, many countries that already do have nuclear weapons aimed at the US? I agree. Iran has to buy gasoline from other countries because they don’t have the facilities to produce enough gasoline for themselves. This being said; I don’t see them producing inter-conntinental ballistic weapons anytime in our life time. Enough said; Ron Paul is a good, moral, ethical and very intelligent person who has the answers to all of our immediate problems. He may not have the “dog n pony show” characteritics that some of the clowns do, but he is my man if he never wins a race!! hee hee

    • DaveH

      Mine too, Jim. The only votes I ever make are Principled Votes. If not enough people are enlightened enough to concur, it’s not my fault. I will never vote for the Lesser of two Evils, which is still just Evil.

      • Average Joe Patriot


        Good one: “Principled Vote.” During the last presidential election, when I was supporting Paul with more money than I could afford, aggravating my carpal tunnel with e-mails far and wide, and talking my throat out to everyone who would listen, I also probably damaged my teeth, gnashing them every time some idiot said to me: “Well, of course I’d ‘would’ vote for Paul, but of course…he can’t win.”

        My response: “Of course not, if enough people like you don’t vote for him, bonehead! See, that’s how voting works!”

        What makes such voters boneheads is that they apparently already know Paul makes the most sense, but they can also at least sense that the bought media doesn’t like him, therefore he has no chance. So in effect they are doing what the MSM instructs them to do, just like when they buy what they’re instructed to buy, and enjoy what they’re instructed to enjoy, and believe what they’re instructed to believe. They know they’re not the fastest sheep in the herd, but they sure as hell don’t want to be left behind.

        I believe that ANY vote not based on principles is, by definition, an UNprincipled one. This not a college basketball game you’re betting on, people; the purpose is not to wager on the side you think has the best chance of winning (in fact, that team is the one most likely to be in the pockets of freedom’s worst enemies). I also believe, as do many independents, that it is my civic duty as an informed voter to deliver the message to the PTB, it’s all my vote is apparently good for anymore. Also, it’s the noble and fair thing to do before we, the people, rise up (the Tea Party and the OWS movements are nothing compared to what’s coming up–just look at Europe and the UK–and start tearing the establishment down for not: (A) doing what we hired and paid them to do, (B) doing what they promised to do, (C) not listening to us after they went off on their own agenda.

        They’re contractors, after all. They have a contract with us. Would you sit back and let a contractor build you the wrong house, in the wrong place, and do a botched job of it? Oh, but the house was already here when they arrived on the scene? Okay, how having them retile your living room carpet? Replumb your wiring and rewire your plumbing? Put the studding on the outside of the walls and sheetrock your septic, pave your lawn and garden and fix your roof with potting soil and mulch and fertilizer? Then penalize you for not paying them enough to keep doing more of the same?

        That’s what “unprincipled voting” gets you. So, again, attaboy for that one, DaveH.

        Well said.

    • todd thorp

      I agree, with your views as well. My company has a motor/generator that we were awarded a patent on last January. This device can take us away completely from gas & oil. check it out patent #7,868,514. This is no joke. My company has been suppressed and the facts are they dont want what we have. It would be too good. Weve been struggling against the system for years to no avail. All out of pocket expenses with no help or backing from anyone. Only scammers and theives have tried to get our IP>

      • AnneOnymous

        “Only scammers and theives have tried to get our ip”..

        Probably moles of the elite, my friend. What WE have is the best communication device ever created (www) and what YOU’VE got is an invention that could possibly turn this Country around (not to mention seriously wounding the oil/gas magnets) so why not ‘put’ this out to the people.. Let US become your partners, your backing by selling stock to us(after all the Saturn company did it until some greedy elite decided to buy up a majority in order to sell out to his minions).. We won’t nag because we’re not making a ton of profit because we’ll realize stock speculation is nothing more than a ‘chance’ and we take a chance every time we visit Vegas, with no whining if we lose our shirt but celebrate with the Nation when we profit so c’mon, git’er done.. Let’s get this innovation off the table and totally embarrass big b’ness.. I’ll buy that for a dollar and I’m certain millions of others will too so long as it will get our dependence off of fossil fuel!!

      • vicki

        Trying to get your IP? why bother. Unless this is you, these folk are doing it.

        Then again they were supposed to finish in 2009 according to their website.

  • Tore

    Ron Paul needs campaign contributions (grease for the wheels to carry from candidate to president). I hear it takes about a billion dollars ($1,000,000,000.)So let go of some of your cash, this is the time to give up all you can. God bless Ron Paul

    • Old Henry

      You can also buy tee shirts and caps at his web site. I have 4 shirts and a cap.

      They are excellent quality! And they arrived in a timely manner.

  • Alex Frazier

    Bob, I’ve considered for a while asking if I could write an article or two for submission. What is the “You Sound Off!”?

    • DaveH
      • Bob Livingston

        Dear DaveH,


        Best wishes,

    • Bob Livingston

      Dear Alex Frazier,

      Please do submit an article or articles. See the link DaveH posted for my introduction of You Sound Off! It will run the last Wednesday of each month. Here’s a link to October’s:

      Best wishes,

      • Susan


        A personal thank you for posting this topic. I’ve not commented; have just thoroughly appreciated and enjoyed the comments of the bright, knowledgeable people who’ve posted.

        Let us have “s’more” of these, please sir!


    • Don Jusko

      Alright Alex Frazier! I know you’ll pick a better title than the one on this thread. And I know you have the guts to explain the guts of Ron Paul. Don

  • Rennie

    They have branded him as “unelectable” the same as they branded Newt as “baggage”, this by the same people who say the republican minority in the senate killed Obama’s jobs bill, or that continue to fund nuclear power with taxpayers dollar while dismissing Fukushima as “the-worst-since-Chernobyl” when Chernobyl’s single reactor was 1/4 the size of the reactors at Fshima and did not use MOX plutonium fuel, and Chernobyl was capped within in a week but a million deaths across Eurasia are linked to fallout from it. Back to the point, we need Ron Paul to balance out the excessive growth in size and authority, but we need Newt on foreign matters to balance, I’d say put Ron in the White House, Newt on the plane, and Bolton back in the UN. I think Cain could run treasury, Romney for commerce secrery.

    • Jeep

      Newt is by far the smartest and most politically savvy of all the Republican field. Paul is my man, because he is easily the most understanding of deeper meanings behind Constitutional principles and is the champion of individual freedoms. Romney is fine as commerce, just need to keep him on a short leash. But, Cain’s stance on the Fed are diametrically opposed to Paul’s position. Maybe Cain could be under-Secretary of Defense to help put some fiscal sanity back into the DOD?

      • DaveH

        I doubt it, Jeep. Cain thinks we need MORE National Security, not less:

        I notice his campaign did away with the older issues page that stated explicitly that Cain thought we needed MORE National Security. The New page basically says the same thing, but is a lot better job of Double-Speaking.
        Beware of the Fear Mongers. Cain says “Many regimes seek to destroy us because they are threatened by our ideals, and they resent our prosperity”.
        Could it be, just maybe, because we are messing in their countries with our military, that they resent us? Ask Gadhafi.

      • Ken

        Romney supposedly does business with Bilderberg. Cain is Bilderberg (the fed). Newt is a member of the CFR (more Bilderberg). Ron Paul is the only way to go. If he wins, WE need to protect him really well and Ron needs to pick his vice president and not let the republicans pick it for him.

      • eve4drpaul

        Anyone even REMOTELY considering Newt needs to fully examine his record. You can start here:

    • todd thorp

      Oh yes the puppet masters playing there propaganda and Influence against whats really right for the people and our future.

  • Jeep

    As a RP supporter I must say it will not be enough to just elect RP to the presidency. He will need a cast of characters behind him in congress to put through the initiatives that all of his supporters seek. There is already a small number of true conservatives in the house and a smaller number in the senate, but as it stands it will not be enough. I truly believe RP has a legitimate shot at the nomination, and I believe that any Republican nominee will defeat the current usurper. RP could very well be our next president, but he cannot “do it” by himself. Supporters must get involved in our local and state elections to ensure that the support he will need is there.

    • DaveH

      And we must not let the Wolves in Sheep’s Clothing fool us. Scrutinize, people. Learn what they really stand for, by watching their actions, and reading between the lines.
      Cain, for instance, is a Big Government advocate who is representing himself as Pro-Freedom. He is far from that.

  • Joyceann

    He has all these ideas – not just using the constitution to form our laws but going back to the time we wrote them. What does he propose we do instead – never a word. He wants to bring all our military home where Iran can send one well placed bomb. They already have the bomb and getting help to make more – how silly to think they can’t get the gas to finish one. It’s that he doesn’t care what they do that alarms me. He doesn’t care about closing the borders. But doesn’t talk about making it impossible for illegals to work here. He doesn’t back our right to bear arms, he thinks we will just be nice and not need them. What does he plan to use for money if he’s doing away with the money we have. I don’t plan on living on my earrings.
    He also have that nasty habit of reaching periods where he spaces out in either wild rantings or gazing in the headlights. I need my president aware at all times. He’s Perot in sheeps clothing and nothing makes me madder than his Paulbots and how they talk to people. He can’t debate. He just giggles when he says what we “ought” to do but no substance about how to replace things. I’ve watched all debates, read all books, and read everything about him.
    He’s a patriot but he isn’t a leader. Give it up Bots- Like Perot, you’ll end up costing us the election.

    • Cliffystones

      I’m with you Joyceann. I like Ron and believe he is a good man. I like his stances on returning to a Constitutional government.

      But when he equates Iran with the former Soviet Union? Sure Iran has the “right” to have nukes as much as we do or any other sovereign nation for that matter. But as you said, he fails to follow through with his ideas to their possible conclusions. Just what does the United States do when we pull back ALL of our forces and influence? How DO we respond when TelAviv is nuked? Do we sit back and watch the slaughter? Do we wait until AFTER a nuke is dropped on an American city? Like the old ad campaign “Inquiring minds want to know”.

      Look how that whole touchy-feeley thing worked for Neville Chamberlain and the Brits. Only the missiles fired at us won’t be V2s with a few thousand pounds of dynamite.

      • Betty Jo

        Iran is getting the nukes because Israel already has them!
        We gave them the money and the technology and they have spread it around the world! We claimed that Iraq had WMD’s but we did not find them!
        It is propaganda from Israel.

        • meteorlady

          So Betty you don’t consider Sarin Gas as a weapon of mass destruction? I’m sure if you don’t, the Kurds (some 100,000 or them) would disagree. Even the new media recently labeled it a weapon of mass destruction. Of course, that was after they made a big deal about not finding any in Iran.

          • Joe H.

            I guess she doesn’t think the ton of yellow cake wasn’t the beginning of a WMD???

      • DaveH

        We’ve gone from a nation of rugged pioneers to a nation of cowering wimps in just a few hundred years. It’s no wonder it’s so easy now for the Politicians to lead their subjects around by the nose.

        • mark

          Rugged slaveholders. Don’t forget our Southern brethren, they too did their part in building this great empire of ours.

          • DaveH

            The southern slaves were very much like Socialists who can own no property, thus have little incentive to work hard. Being relatively unproductive, slavery was dying a slow death around the world, and it would have died out peacefully except that Lincoln and Gang used it as an excuse to Force the South to be part of their unholy Union.
            It still befuddles me, Mark, that you constantly whine about slavery and at the same time advocate taking the money of others forcefully (slavery) through your Big Government. Consistency isn’t your strong suit, Mark, is it?

          • mark

            There is a giant difference between being a slave in the antebellum era and having to pay some taxes to the government. Most people who understand what actual slavery was in the 16th to 19th centuries understand this. Others use wild exaggeration of the “tyranny” they are supposedly living under today to revel in false martyrdom and provoke emotional responses from those they hope to manipulate to vote their way.

          • DaveH

            You have no idea what slavery was like in the 16th to 19th century, Mark. You are just doing what Liberals do best — fabricating facts to suit your purposes.
            From “Human Action” by Ludwig VonMises:
            “At no time and at no place was it possible for enterprises employing servile labor to compete on the market with enterprises employing free labor. Servile labor could always be utilized only where it did not have to meet the competition of free labor”.
            People who understand how Capitalism works will understand that statement.
            You would understand that statement, Mark, if you read the book “How Capitalism Saved America” by Thomas DiLorenzo. Of course, the question is, do you want to learn? I doubt it.
            And why would somebody taking 40% of our money by force not constitute Slavery? Any amount of your labor taken, against your will, constitutes Slavery. As far as I know there is no cutoff point, and even if there was it would just be subjective.
            From “Slavery, Profitability, and the Market Process” by Mark Thornton:
            “They estimated that the slave was allowed to
            keep 90 percent of lifetime productivity (only 10 percent exploitation) and that the use of whippings was largely kept to a minimum”.

            Escape the ignorance-bondage of Liberalism, Mark. Do some reading at

          • Joe H.

            quit living the life of a victim!!! It isn’t hard if you really try!!

      • AnneOnymous

        So, what your telling us is we’re committed.. We MUST defend other Countries from the bad guys, well we can do this quite easily but it’s going to cost.. cost… cost, so quit your whining as to what we should do and pull out your wallet even farther for what we’re already doing. There’s not a candidate on either side who’s preaching to get out of something that’s costing us billions of dollars on a daily basis but instead they’ve earmarked national programs that will not only end fraud but end the lives of the truly needy. YOUR parents.. YOUR children (not theirs)..

    • DaveH

      “What does he propose we do instead – never a word”. What? Are you saying the candidates should propose scenarios that they don’t advocate? You won’t get that from Ron, because he’s an honest man.
      And Spare us from the fear-mongering, Joyceann. Iran is a paper-tiger. One well-placed bomb in America will be the end of Iran. Even the Radical Islamics aren’t that ignorant.
      Ron Paul Does Care. That’s why he wants to end the US as the World’s Policemen, so we won’t eventually go the way of past great empires who had stretched themselves too thin financially, and had created too many enemies to survive.
      And please quit spreading the lie that Ron Paul wants open borders, Joyceann. I’m pretty sure I corrected you on that before, but I will do it again:

      See next comment for more corrections of Joyceann’s lies.

      • DaveH

        Lie #2. Joyceann says “He doesn’t back our right to bear arms”.
        What says:

        Ron Paul “spaces out … in wild rantings”? He is far and away more knowledgeable about reality than any of the other candidates. The others may or may not actually be knowledgeable about reality, but it is the last thing they want the citizens to know.

        I suspect, Joyceann, that you are purposely disparaging Ron with your lies, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt for now and assume that you are just another severely propagandized sheeple who just doesn’t know any better.

    • Alex Frazier

      Joyceann, that’s a very passionate speech, but you have several of your facts wrong, and I don’t think you fully understand Ron Paul. Although, I do admit that Ron Paul is not the easiest to understand if you don’t have a base understanding of the economics and politics from which his positions are derived. My two biggest complaints about him are that he talks over people’s heads, and he tends to say things that come across wrongly because the motivation behind such statements is not fully comprehended by most.

      First of all, the Constitution is not the embodiment of the eighteenth century. It is the product of thousands of years of history, economics, politics, diplomacy, philosophy, and intelligence. It was created by men who lived at the height of many tyrannies. They were educated men who understood things that many don’t even bother to read anymore. What they put together is by far the finest constitution every created, and it has been praised worldwide by men of learning. Returning to a constitutional government is not returning to a primitive society. It is returning to a free America.

      He wants to bring our military home because we can’t afford the wars. Which is more likely to protect us from that one hypothetical bomb? The soldiers here, protecting us directly, or the soldiers over there, leaving us open to attack while the congress slowly erodes our rights in order to “protect” us?

      FYI, Iran does not yet have a bomb that anyone knows of.

      Ron Paul is in favor of “closing” the borders. He just doesn’t think a fence will accomplish the task. It would be more effective to take away the incentive to come here illegally.

      Ron Paul is 100% pro-2nd amendment. You are mistaken.

      He doesn’t plan to do away with the money we have. You are mistaken on that as well.

      His rantings sound wild to you because you aren’t educated in the particulars of political science. If he has moments where he pauses, it’s no doubt to resist the temptation to be a liar like the rest of them and gather the courage to stand by his convictions, whatever the cost to his reputation.

      And we don’t know, by the way, if he can debate. The moderators barely ever give him the chance.

      I’ve also heard him give plenty of solutions. Perhaps you should listen more closely. Assuming you’ve listened at all in the first place. Most of your assumptions about him are completely mistaken, indicating you don’t really know his platform. If you claim that you’ve watched all the debates, read all books, and read everything about him, then I say you are a liar. No one can have so many false ideas under those circumstances. One need only do a search on Wikipedia to find out the errors you’ve shown.

      • Joe H.

        Alex Frazier,
        not that it is our business, but I don’t think Iran will ever get the bomb! I think before that happens, Israel will take them out. I can’t see where Israel has a choice. Iran has publically said that they want them “removed from the map.” They also say the halocaust never happened. Nope, I don’t think Iran has a chance if they keep on the way they are headed!

        • Alex Frazier

          I don’t disagree.

          But that’s Israel’s issue to confront and overcome, not ours. No one else is invading middle eastern countries on OUR behalf, when a great number of those nations hate our guts and would just as readily wipe US off the map.

          We are Israel’s ally. If they start a war, we may get dragged into it. But if we have to fight a war, I’d rather go into a war with the legitimate cause of supporting an ally than to stage a preemptive attack on their behalf for reasons that don’t yet exist, against an alleged enemy that hasn’t attacked us. It’s just foolishness. No reasonable person wants war. They destroy lives, economies, homes, families, etc. Nothing good comes from them.

          • Joe H.

            Please read my post a little closer!! The very first line says “Not that it is our business”!!!

      • David in MA

        When I think of Ron Paul
        I think of Harry Truman,
        a little guy from out of nowhere
        who made a big difference in America.

      • RoBoTech

        In other words, if we “don’t understand” the moon bat things that paul says, we are ignorant.
        If we don’t support the MoonBat Paul, we are unamerican.
        ONLY MoonBat Paul can save us lawdy lawdy.
        THIS is why I hate ron “moonbat” paul. His bat shat crazy supporters.
        When Paul loses, AGAIN, you can thank yourself.
        What a MOron!

      • 2WarAbnVet

        The bottom lone, unfortunately, is that, as someone recently said, “Ron Paul is nuttier than a pecan grove at harvest time.”

      • 2centsworth

        Ron Paul is a good man. It’s time to end and get rid of all this corruption in the government, bought and paid for by the “secret government” 4th dimension low vibration elite. Of course the news media trys to pretend that Ron Paul doesn’t even exist as a candidate, because obviously he’s not bought and paid for, and isn’t going to do their bidding for them. Again, I will state that it is time to get Rid Of All The Corruption In This Government And This Society, because you know what?? Americans Really are smart and talented, and all this talent and intelligence is being suppressed where they cannot express their real selves, and what they came here on this earth to do.

      • Bill Madden

        Ron Paul does exist and, while he is very intelligent, he does not articulate his thoughts as well as some of the other, more charismatic Republican candidates for president.

        Dr. Paul is definitely anti-establishment and because, of the establishment’s – – control of our country, he is made invisible by the establishment minions: corporate managers, politicians, media owners/celebrities, military commanders and leaders in most fields such as education, health care, law, religion, etc.

        The establishment chooses the Democratic and Republican nominees in most important elections and we elect one of their candidates in the general elections.

        In 1913, the Federal Reserve Bank, the IRS and the tax-free foundations were created. The super-rich hold major equity in most of America’s largest corporations, select the various boards of directors and use the corporations as cash cows to “influence” the aforementioned minions in order to brainwash the masses – the rest of us.

      • Angelia

        Ron Paul truly understands what needs to be done to put this country on the right track. His message has been consistant though his career in politics, he has never waivered unlike the candidates we have to choose from now. If we want our freedom back he’s the ONLY one to turn to. If you have watched any of the debates, Ron Paul gets the least amount of questions. On the other hand you can see who is still for “Big ” government and all of it’s trappings. Then we have “Cane Gate” using body guards to avoid the press,

        Newt and his cheating problems. If you can lie to your wife you can lie to the citizens you serve. We already have a liar in office now and that’s not working so well either. Rick Perry seems to forget what he stands for and what agencies he would get rid of. Michell Bachman and her mantra “I fought hard for …”. Everytime I hear that I just wish she would stop talking.

        All candidates have issues, flip flops and the like but not Ron Paul. He hasn’t wavered one bit. To quote Popeye the Sailor Man “I am what I am” that’s Ron Paul.

      • Jon

        I did not start as a Ron Paul supporter, and I still do not agree with everything he advocates. Yet the direct and indirect actions by the media to undermine him gave me ample reason for a closer look. Since, like most Americans, I trust most reporters about as far as I can throw a fit, if they are so afraid of Ron Paul that they don’t even want to talk to or about him, there must be something there. The enemy of my enemy is likely a friend, so I had no choice but to look at Mr. Paul much more intently. And I mostly like what I found.

      • Phil G

        You say ck out Wikipedia on Ron Paul LMFAO anybody can contribute to Wiki there is nobody to ck it’s accuracy unless somebody stunbles on it a protetions to correct it. RON Paul is a nut case, I can onlt imgain the chaos if his ideas were put in place, and you dupes on the right are so far to the right you don’t see comsequences to extreme right positions. To serve a majority best positions need to be more central. Remember most election are nearly 50-50 % so if your extreme right that means half of America doesn’t see iit your way, Most people are liberal when you get down to poll after poll natiomwide show that and conservative on a FEW things, maybe it’s because they have empathy,morals, and a SOUL. Which I wonder if those to the right even know the understanding of empathy,morals or soul , but only know sefishness,and greed. I wouldn’t be more free under Ron Paul’s positions,I’d be less free. In fact, the only candidate I’d vote for right now is Bernie Sanders. An Independent.

        • Phil D

          Okay Mr. nut cracker! Where did you get your facts (LMAO). You have not said anything to support your rantings either. Here is Ron Paul’s voting record…

          “Very Detailed Ron Paul Congressional Voting Record”

          Embryonic stem cell programs not constitionally authorized. (May 2007)
          Voted NO on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Jan 2007)
          Voted NO on allowing human embryonic stem cell research. (May 2005)
          Voted NO on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)
          Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)
          Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life. (Oct 2003)
          Voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. (Feb 2003)
          Voted YES on funding for health providers who don’t provide abortion info. (Sep 2002)
          Voted YES on banning Family Planning funding in US aid abroad. (May 2001)
          Voted NO on federal crime to harm fetus while committing other crimes. (Apr 2001)
          Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortions. (Apr 2000)
          Voted NO on barring transporting minors to get an abortion. (Jun 1999)
          No federal funding of abortion, and pro-life. (Dec 2000)
          Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)

          Ron Paul on Budget & Economy

          Government out of regulating economy & out of our bedrooms. (Jan 2007)
          Voted YES on restricting bankruptcy rules. (Jan 2004)
          Supports Balanced Budget Amendment & on-budget accounting. (Dec 2000)

          Ron Paul on Civil Rights

          Voted NO on Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage. (Jul 2006)
          Voted NO on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)
          Voted NO on Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage. (Sep 2004)
          Voted YES on protecting the Pledge of Allegiance. (Sep 2004)
          Voted NO on constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration. (Jun 2003)
          Voted YES on banning gay adoptions in DC. (Jul 1999)
          Voted YES on ending preferential treatment by race in college admissions. (May 1998)
          Rated 67% by the ACLU, indicating a mixed civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002)

          Ron Paul on Corporations
          Voted NO on allowing stockholder voting on executive compensation. (Apr 2007)
          Voted YES on replacing illegal export tax breaks with $140B in new breaks. (Jun 2004)
          Voted YES on Bankruptcy Overhaul requiring partial debt repayment. (Mar 2001)
          Rated 46% by the US COC, indicating a mixed business voting record. (Dec 2003)

          Ron Paul on Crime

          Opposes the death penalty. (Jan 2007)
          Voted YES on funding for alternative sentencing instead of more prisons. (Jun 2000)
          Voted NO on more prosecution and sentencing for juvenile crime. (Jun 1999)
          Rated 60% by CURE, indicating mixed votes on rehabilitation. (Dec 2000)
          Ron Paul on Drugs
          Click here for 6 full quotes on Drugs OR background on Drugs.
          Legalize industrial hemp. (Jan 2007)
          Voted NO on military border patrols to battle drugs & terrorism. (Sep 2001)
          Voted NO on subjecting federal employees to random drug tests. (Sep 1998)
          War on Drugs has abused Bill of Rights . (Dec 2000)
          Legalize medical marijuana. (Jul 2001)
          Rated A by VOTE-HEMP, indicating a pro-hemp voting record. (Dec 2003)

          Ron Paul on Education

          Voted NO on allowing Courts to decide on “God” in Pledge of Allegiance. (Jul 2006)
          Voted NO on $84 million in grants for Black and Hispanic colleges. (Mar 2006)
          Voted NO on allowing school prayer during the War on Terror. (Nov 2001)
          Voted NO on requiring states to test students. (May 2001)
          Voted NO on allowing vouchers in DC schools. (Aug 1998)
          Voted YES on vouchers for private & parochial schools. (Nov 1997)
          Abolish the federal Department of Education. (Dec 2000)
          Rated 67% by the NEA, indicating a mixed record on public education. (Dec 2003)
          Supports a Constitutional Amendment for school prayer. (May 1997)

          Ron Paul on Energy & Oil

          Voted NO on criminalizing oil cartels like OPEC. (May 2007)
          Voted NO on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies. (Jan 2007)
          Voted NO on keeping moratorium on drilling for oil offshore. (Jun 2006)
          Voted YES on scheduling permitting for new oil refinieries. (Jun 2006)
          Voted NO on passage of the Bush Administration national energy policy. (Jun 2004)
          Voted NO on implementing Bush-Cheney national energy policy. (Nov 2003)
          Voted NO on raising CAFE standards; incentives for alternative fuels. (Aug 2001)
          Voted NO on prohibiting oil drilling & development in ANWR. (Aug 2001)
          Voted NO implementation of Kyoto Protocol. (Jun 2000)
          Repeal the gas tax. (May 2001)

          Ron Paul on Environment

          Voted NO on increasing AMTRAK funding by adding $214M to $900M. (Jun 2006)
          Voted YES on barring website promoting Yucca Mountain nuclear waste dump. (May 2006)
          Voted NO on speeding up approval of forest thinning projects. (Nov 2003)
          Rated 5% by the LCV, indicating anti-environment votes. (Dec 2003)
          Ron Paul on Families & Children
          Click here for 3 full quotes on Families & Children OR background on Families & Children.
          Voted NO on establishing nationwide AMBER alert system for missing kids. (Apr 2003)
          Voted YES on reducing Marriage Tax by $399B over 10 years. (Mar 2001)
          Rated 76% by the Christian Coalition: a pro-family voting record. (Dec 2003)

          Ron Paul on Foreign Policy
          Non-intervention is traditional American & Republican policy. (May 2007)
          Voted NO on deterring foreign arms transfers to China. (Jul 2005)
          Voted NO on reforming the UN by restricting US funding. (Jun 2005)
          Voted YES on keeping Cuba travel ban until political prisoners released. (Jul 2001)
          Voted YES on withholding $244M in UN Back Payments until US seat restored. (May 2001)
          Voted NO on $156M to IMF for 3rd-world debt reduction. (Jul 2000)
          Voted NO on Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China. (May 2000)
          Voted NO on $15.2 billion for foreign operations. (Nov 1999)
          Foreign aid often more harmful than helpful . (Dec 2000)
          Ban foreign aid to oil-producers who restrict production. (May 2001)

          Ron Paul on Free Trade

          Voted NO on implementing CAFTA, Central America Free Trade. (Jul 2005)
          Voted NO on implementing US-Australia Free Trade Agreement. (Jul 2004)
          Voted NO on implementing US-Singapore free trade agreement. (Jul 2003)
          Voted NO on implementing free trade agreement with Chile. (Jul 2003)
          Voted YES on withdrawing from the WTO. (Jun 2000)
          Voted NO on ‘Fast Track’ authority for trade agreements. (Sep 1998)
          No restrictions on import/export; but maintain sovereignty . (Dec 2000)
          End economic protectionism: let dairy compacts expire . (Aug 2001)
          Rated 76% by CATO, indicating a pro-free trade voting record. (Dec 2002)

          Ron Paul on Government Reform

          Close departments of Energy, Education & Homeland Security. (May 2007)
          Voted NO on requiring lobbyist disclosure of bundled donations. (May 2007)
          Voted NO on granting Washington DC an Electoral vote & vote in Congress. (Apr 2007)
          Voted YES on protecting whistleblowers from employer recrimination. (Mar 2007)
          Voted YES on requiring photo ID for voting in federal elections. (Sep 2006)
          Voted NO on restricting independent grassroots political committees. (Apr 2006)
          Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits about obesity against food providers. (Oct 2005)
          Voted YES on limiting attorney’s fees in class action lawsuits. (Feb 2005)
          Voted YES on restricting frivolous lawsuits. (Sep 2004)
          Voted NO on campaign finance reform banning soft-money contributions. (Feb 2002)
          Voted NO on banning soft money and issue ads. (Sep 1999)
          Limit federal power, per the 10th Amendment. (Dec 2000)
          Unlimited campaign contributions; with full disclosure. (Dec 2000)

          Ron Paul on Gun Control

          Ease procedures on the purchase and registration of firearms. (Nov 1996)
          Allow law-abiding citizens to carry concealed firearms. (Nov 1996)
          Voted NO on prohibiting product misuse lawsuits on gun manufacturers. (Oct 2005)
          Voted NO on prohibiting suing gunmakers & sellers for gun misuse. (Apr 2003)
          Voted NO on decreasing gun waiting period from 3 days to 1. (Jun 1999)
          Support the Second Amendment . (Dec 2000)
          Rated A by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun rights voting record. (Dec 2003)

          Ron Paul on Health Care

          Voted YES on requiring negotiated Rx prices for Medicare part D. (Jan 2007)
          Voted NO on denying non-emergency treatment for lack of Medicare co-pay. (Feb 2006)
          Voted NO on limiting medical malpractice lawsuits to $250,000 damages. (May 2004)
          Voted NO on limited prescription drug benefit for Medicare recipients. (Nov 2003)
          Voted YES on allowing reimportation of prescription drugs. (Jul 2003)
          Voted YES on small business associations for buying health insurance. (Jun 2003)
          Voted NO on capping damages & setting time limits in medical lawsuits. (Mar 2003)
          Voted NO on subsidize privat insurance for Medicare Rx drug coverage. (Jun 2000)
          Voted NO on banning physician-assisted suicide. (Oct 1999)
          Voted YES on establishing tax-exempt Medical Savings Accounts. (Oct 1999)
          Abolish federal Medicare entitlement; leave it to states. (Dec 2000)
          Rated 56% by APHA, indicating a mixed record on public health issues. (Dec 2003)

          Ron Paul on Homeland Security

          DHS is unmanageable bureaucracy–eliminate it. (May 2007)
          Military aggressiveness weakens our national defense. (May 2007)
          Be cautious about warrantless searches & habeas corpus. (May 2007)
          Criticizes use of war on terror to curtail civil liberties. (Jan 2007)
          Opposes Patriot Act & Iraq War. (Jan 2007)
          Voted YES on restricting no-bid defense contracts. (Mar 2007)
          Voted NO on allowing electronic surveillance without a warrant. (Sep 2006)
          Voted NO on continuing intelligence gathering without civil oversight. (Apr 2006)
          Voted NO on federalizing rules for driver licenses to hinder terrorists. (Feb 2005)
          Voted YES on continuing military recruitment on college campuses. (Feb 2005)
          Voted NO on supporting new position of Director of National Intelligence. (Dec 2004)
          Voted NO on emergency $78B for war in Iraq & Afghanistan. (Apr 2003)
          Voted YES on permitting commercial airline pilots to carry guns. (Jul 2002)
          Voted NO on $266 billion Defense Appropriations bill. (Jul 1999)
          Voted YES on deploying SDI. (Mar 1999)
          End draft registration; all-volunteer forces . (Dec 2000)
          Federal duty to provide missile defense . (Dec 2000)
          Rated 67% by SANE, indicating a mixed record on military issues. (Dec 2003)

          Ron Paul on Immigration

          Keep rule barring immigrants from running for president. (May 2007)
          Voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006)
          Voted YES on preventing tipping off Mexicans about Minuteman Project. (Jun 2006)
          Voted YES on reporting illegal aliens who receive hospital treatment. (May 2004)
          Voted YES on extending Immigrant Residency rules. (May 2001)
          Voted YES on more immigrant visas for skilled workers. (Sep 1998)
          Rated 100% by FAIR, indicating a voting record restricting immigration. (Dec 2003)

          Ron Paul on Jobs

          Voted NO on restricting employer interference in union organizing. (Mar 2007)
          Voted NO on increasing minimum wage to $7.25. (Jan 2007)
          Voted NO on $167B over 10 years for farm price supports. (Oct 2001)
          Voted YES on zero-funding OSHA’s Ergonomics Rules instead of $4.5B. (Mar 2001)
          Member of the Congressional Rural Caucus. (Jan 2001)
          Rated 47% by the AFL-CIO, indicating a mixed record on union issues. (Dec 2003)

          Ron Paul on Principles & Values

          The champion of the Constitution. (Jun 2007)
          Given epithet “Dr. No” by colleagues in Congress. (Jan 2007)
          Religious affiliation: Protestant. (Nov 2000)
          Member of the Republican Liberty Caucus. (Dec 2000)

          Ron Paul on Social Security

          Voted YES on raising 401(k) limits & making pension plans more portable. (May 2001)
          Voted YES on reducing tax payments on Social Security benefits. (Jul 2000)
          Voted NO on strengthening the Social Security Lockbox. (May 1999)
          Rated 30% by the ARA, indicating an anti-senior voting record. (Dec 2003)

          Ron Paul on Tax Reform

          Get rid of the inflation tax with sound money. (May 2007)
          Campaign slogan in 2004: The Taxpayers’ Best Friend. (Jan 2007)
          Voted YES on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends. (Dec 2005)
          Voted YES on providing tax relief and simplification. (Sep 2004)
          Voted YES on making permanent an increase in the child tax credit. (May 2004)
          Voted YES on permanently eliminating the marriage penalty. (Apr 2004)
          Voted YES on making the Bush tax cuts permanent. (Apr 2002)
          Voted YES on $99 B economic stimulus: capital gains & income tax cuts. (Oct 2001)
          Voted YES on Tax cut package of $958 B over 10 years. (May 2001)
          Voted YES on eliminating the Estate Tax (“death tax”). (Apr 2001)
          Voted YES on eliminating the “marriage penalty”. (Jul 2000)
          Voted YES on $46 billion in tax cuts for small business. (Mar 2000)
          Overhaul income tax; end capital gains & inheritance tax. (Dec 2000)
          Phaseout the death tax. (Mar 2001)
          Rated 89% by NTU, indicating a “Taxpayer’s Friend” on tax votes. (Dec 2003)

          Ron Paul on Technology

          Trusts the Internet a lot more than the mainstream media. (May 2007)
          Voted NO on establishing “network neutrality” (non-tiered Internet). (Jun 2006)
          Voted NO on increasing fines for indecent broadcasting. (Feb 2005)
          Voted YES on promoting commercial human space flight industry. (Nov 2004)
          Voted NO on banning Internet gambling by credit card. (Jun 2003)
          Voted NO on allowing telephone monopolies to offer Internet access. (Feb 2002)

          Ron Paul on War & Peace

          We’re more threatened now by staying in Iraq. (Jun 2007)
          We should have declared war in Iraq, or not gone in at all. (May 2007)
          Ronald Reagan had the courage to turn tail & run in Lebanon. (May 2007)
          Intervention abroad incites hatred & attacks like 9/11. (May 2007)
          When we go to war carelessly, the wars don’t end. (May 2007)
          Voted against war because Iraq was not a national threat. (May 2007)
          Opposes Iraq war and opposes path toward Iran war. (Jan 2007)
          Voted YES on redeploying US troops out of Iraq starting in 90 days. (May 2007)
          Voted NO on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date. (Jun 2006)
          Voted NO on approving removal of Saddam & valiant service of US troops. (Mar 2004)
          Voted NO on authorizing military force in Iraq. (Oct 2002)
          Voted YES on disallowing the invasion of Kosovo. (May 1999)

          Ron Paul on Welfare & Poverty

          Voted YES on providing $70 million for Section 8 Housing vouchers. (Jun 2006)
          Voted NO on promoting work and marriage among TANF recipients. (Feb 2003)
          Voted NO on treating religious organizations equally for tax breaks. (Jul 2001)
          Voted NO on responsible fatherhood via faith-based organizations. (Nov 1999)
          Abolish federal welfare; leave it all to states. (Dec 2000)

      • Julius Lohr

        Ron Paul is the 21st century edition of Neville Chamberlain!! Economy aside there is THAT to consider!

      • http://bing Ronnie Guide

        all said and done but can he beat obama……………..

      • Mike

        I went this morning to ensure that I was registered for the Republican primary in my state.

        If you truly support Ron Paul, you must also vote for him in the primaries, to even get his name on the ballot.

        I disagree with very few things he stands for, but Dr. Paul is, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the best choice and chance for America to remain free.

        Many people disagree with Dr. Paul because they seem to think the government should take care of them. He wants us to take care of ourselves. I see nothing wrong with that.

        Everyone who votes agaisnt Ron Paul votes against our Constitution and everything America stands for.

        If you want this country to remain a world leader, then Ron Paul is the clear choice next November. Voting for Obama again would be the death-knell of our great nation.

      • raw

        The only reason Ron Paul talks over most peoples’ heads is because most people are idiots.

      • Patrick Lee McClellan

        While I admire Ron Paul and agree with most of his solutions to domestic issues can anyone explain his statements that Iran deserves to have an offensive nuclear capability because they feel threatened by the rest of the world? These people have sworn to destroy America and Isreal and he thinks it’s none of our business if they are allowed to do so? I believe his isolationist world view is far too dangerous to American interests in these times.

      • Buck

        It has come down to RON Paul for President , with michelle Bachmann down in the polls , and Herman Cains current problems there is only one VIABLE conservative left , even if he is a libertarian he is the MOST CONSERVATIVE and the MOST Honest man in the race . Anyone that votes for anyone else does not have Americas best interests at heart , Romney , Perry ,Huntsman , Santorum and any others in the field either aren’t on the scope or if they are it is because the very UN-American MSM are pushing any that won’t upset their progressive agenda . RON PAUL IS A MUST IF YOU WANT A RETURN TO AMERICA .

      • George

        Ron Paul’s disagreement with our overseas military activities is not because of the cost. It is because in the vast majority of cases, it is none of our business. In the case of 9-11, he agreed with action, but stated it should be via letter of margue and not invasion. If we are to be involved with other countries it should be for commercial activities. The internal actions of sovereign nations or the actions between other nations should be our concern only if the US is endangered.

      • HOG

        ly Alex? Wikiwhatever? Isn’t that like trusting snopes? Yeah, it is. –HOG

      • Joyceann

        No I am not wrong about Paul – and I am not just uneducated because I don’t agree with you paulbots. You send me to wikipedia which is stupid and not gospel – or you send me to sites where Paul makes a statement. The statement does not correspond to what he says in debates and talks to the public. I know the difference between talking over my head with intelligence, since I am not a genius, but I also know when an altzheimer episode happens and I have seen that deer in the headlight look before. You call me stupid because I don’t agree that Paul is the best candidate, and I call you on the fact that since we won’t elect him because he cannot debate Obama or win the middle of the republicans, that you will not vote at all, costing us the election. We need every vote against Obama. You tout patriotism but have none in you. Just a tired old man who you wish would be president.

      • The Prince of Sense

        I too believe that the Honorable Ron Paul is the answer to most of the problems that plague us. The drafters of our Constitution were not more brilliant than we are now, nor were they prophets. They were simply men that had been there-done that!

      • Phil D

        Liberty is not for the meek or faint of heart.

        “Liberty can not be preserved without a general knowledge among the people.”
        – John Adams (1735-1826) Second President of the USA.

        “Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.”
        – George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950) Irish writer.

        “Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves.”
        – Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862) American naturalist, poet and philosopher.

        “There is nothing with which it is so dangerous to take liberties as liberty itself.”
        – André Breton (1896-1966) French writer, poet, and surrealist theorist.

        “The people never give up their liberties, but under some delusion.”
        – Edmund Burke (1729-1797) British political writer.

        Justice Matthews states in the U. S. Supreme Court decision in favor of Yick Wo:
        “Sovereignty itself is, of course, not subject to law, for it is the author and source of law; but in our system, while sovereign powers are delegated to the agencies of government, sovereignty itself remains with the people, by whom and for whom all government exists and acts.”

        On the subject of “money”
        The Federal Reserve Act;
        “This act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the president signs this bill, the invisible government by the Monetary Power will be legalized. The people may not know it immediately, but the day of reckoning is only a few years removed… The worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking bill.”
        – Rep. Charles Lindbergh ( Circa 1913 )

        “I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.”
        –- Thomas Jefferson

        See FDIC v. Vernon Real Estate Invs., Ltd,798 F. Supp. 1009, 1017 (S.D.N.Y. 1992); McCarthy v. FDIC, 348 F.3d 1075(2003). “If the borrower fails to make a claim with the FDIC within90 days of take over, all claims are waived.”
        Here, there are due process concerns since the FDIC does not even have to give notice of this procedure. You must agree that a contract has been made, as a contract requires agreement of both parties to have standing.

        Phil D.

      • LBJ

        Ron Paul voted to repeal the Don’t Ask,Don’t Tell policy which endangers our servicemen and us. He is not for the family, that is for sure with a vote like that. Now they want spousal benefits for homosexuals in the military.Ron Paul has crazy ideas about how to help America with a traitorous vote like that.If there are not traditional families then it doesn’t matter how much free enterprise or reduction of government or the adoption of the gold standard and elimination of the Federal Reserve or other actions occur, without the basic economic unit of the America, the family the whole ship will sink and quickly. Ron Paul needs to see that open homosexuality in the military is the camel’s nose in the door for the mainstreaming of perversion. And yes it affects us all negatively. What about my son, Ron Paul, serving as Marine? Marines always room together. So how is he going stay safe without getting into trouble from the higherups for ‘discrimination’? Because there would be some pretty beat-up homosexuals.

      • http://awwIIveteran maurice

        When I entered the service I took the oath to “I do solemnly swear (or affirm)that I will faithfully execute (the position is entering upon) of the United States, and will do to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” (I added, “So help me God”; Just as every Presidential, Senatorial, or elected Representative took. I meant it then 66 years ago, and I believe it now.
        So I submit that the answer to all of this DEBT LIMIT arguments between the Republican and the Democratic parties is spelled out right there in the Constitution, ARTICLE 1, SECTION 8. I mean all of section 8 spells out the duties of the Congress and Senate, but most especially paragraphs, 1, 2,3,4, and 5.
        Article 1, section 8 says:
        “The congress shall have the Power To lay and collect taxes, Duties, Imposts, and Excises, to pay the Debts and Provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States, but all duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.” Paragraph Two, says:
        “To borrow Money on the Credit of the United States.” [The collateral for that borrowing is based on the Gross National Product of the U.S., So therefore is not authorized to be delegated to a second party, and should belong to the People, not a unauthorized second private Corporation, Called the Federal Reserve System, which is a private cooperation, owned and completely controlled by their own internal organization. The FED is not a part of the U.S. Govenment, and is listed, not under U.S. government, but with other private companies such as Federal Express, Federal Can company, etc. Article 1, Section 8, Paragraph 5 states clearly:
        "To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and measures;"
        [This too, is based on the GNP, therefore should belong to the producing people, not the idol free loaders,Government handouts, etc. who do not want a job, but a government pay check, such as these illegal aliens on welfare]. I paid every cent of my 12% on Social Security, (so called, “Entitlements”, through Union negotiations.)
        Nowhere in this Constitution, does it authorize Congress the authority to delegate any of these to a private, and independent party, much less an unauthorized Banking money cartel. They have never been audited by the GEO which leaves them much like locking a fox in the Hen house. And since the GEO, Congress, nor the President has no control over their policies, IS IT NOT like throwing away the key to the HEN HOUSE.
        In addition, now we learn that Congress and all government officials can resort to “inside trading” legally, when it is a long term prison term felony for a private citizen? We learn that once elected that all high government officials are not subject to obey the laws they had the rest of the world, and it’s people. Thus making, not only “The FEDERAL Reserve System Un-constitutional, ut the INCOME TAX, THE IRS, AND THE UNITED NATIONS.
        So I submit that the only CANDIDATE now running for The Office of President who believes and understands this is DOCTOR RON PAUL.

    • meteorlady

      People that believe such as you always amaze me. So, I’ll give you some examples of what Dr. Paul stands for because you obviously don’t know for sure.

      He has NEVER voted for:
      Any Gun Control law
      Any budget that was not balanced
      Has never:
      Participated in the Congressional Retirement program
      Participated in the Congressional Health Care plan
      Gives a portion of his office budget back to the treasury every year.
      Never changes his messsage
      Never changes his view of the constitution.

      Please go here and read:

      Then come back and tell us he can’t win….

      • KJackson

        Yeah- he sounds crazy, alright. Oh, and I do believe he also said he’d only take roughly $39K as his compensation. He’s a crazy one that Ron Paul. Talkin’ Constitution and stuff.

        I can’t get myself to think or believe otherwise: These people bashing on Paul with derogatory names/terms are either shills or just deceived to a level I can’t comprehend.

        And I can’t help but laugh at the ones that believe the budget is going to balanced with current spending levels on “defense.” Even if that were to happen, what about the debt?

        I wonder how many vets have to be abused and/or killed by our own govt agencies, in *their* quest to exercise the rights they were supposedly fighting for, before these people question just what/whom our military protects and serves (with The People as the guarantor to that expenditure)?

        Iraq was admittedly a war based upon lies. By those that made it happen and put it in motion. And we are still there to this day. In fact, the largest US Embassy in the world resides in Iraq. For what? To get rid of it’s leader? The one we (the US govt) put in power? Really?

        Come on people, please, do more homework. It’s very time consuming, I know all too well. But Ron Paul truly has far more integrity, wisdom, allegiance, compassion, and strength, than any of these other so called candidates for the rebublican nominee. Head and shoulders and waist above the rest. And this really is the last chance at a solid nominee in a 2 party “race.”

        For myself, I’ll “go down with the ship.” IF Paul decides to do a third party ticket after the primary (assuming he doesn’t win), I’ll donate what I can, as I do now. I hold zero hope of seeing anything getting better, otherwise, and I’d be willing to engage in a quantifiable bet regarding that. We are all in big trouble, and I don’t give a damn what your political persuasion is.

        Paul is not the Messiah, however, and to the like minded out there: The reality is that positive engagement is key. Meaning, often, deliberate, assertive, uncompromising. We are not going to elect ANYONE that is going to “fix it.” Recall Jesse in MN. Didn’t happen. Of The People, for The People, *BY THE PEOPLE*.

    • Matt

      Well since everyone else has addressed most of your baseless claims, I will just say this. Perot was the man and didn’t cost us an election!! He brought up real issues and would of won had he not dropped out. I don’t know why he dropped out because I haven’t studied it, but I could speculate, but rather not. Anyway, he didn’t cost us an election because the Democrats and Republicans are the SAME, it wouldn’t of mattered who won in 1992! You can’t see that? Both parties want people to be depend on government and fight perpetual wars; this is how they control the population, its common sense and mainline history. Ron runs on the traditional Republican platform which we all can admire but if you had to give him a silly label (because everyone wants to give everyone a label) he’s closer to a “Libertarian“ I guess. I hate labels; they just consolidate thought of the already brainwashed public. Ross Perot couldn’t have been more correct in his predictions about NAFTA! Wow he called this with military precision. If you don’t believe me, YouTube his NAFTA debate vs. the professional politician himself, Albert Gore, on Larry king live in 1993. Take a look at how NAFTA diminished our productive capacity and turned us into a consumption based economy. For the record, Ron Paul did not vote for NAFTA. If Ron runs 3rd party, if he doesn’t get the GOP nominee he will have much more support than Perot did in 92! Look out America, this country is in a Revolution of ideas and restoring the Constitutional Republic in which we became the most successful and powerful country in history.

      • Phil D


        I do not think anyone could disagree with that, but you watch, someone will.

        We need to all get grounded in the Constitution, even though there are those who say we are not a party to it. Let the government be run on the basis of the Constitution and the people will win.

        VOTE: RON PAUL

        Phil D

      • Phil D

        Yes Matt, Ross Perot was right about NAFTA; not long after that we were broadsided with CAFTA, putting the final coupe de grace on our work force… after the corporate tax hikes. US Government does not want jobs in this country, making us a whipped people, SLAVES to the bureaucrats.

    • Don Jusko

      You’re head is in the sand Joy. Take it to a lib site.

  • 4-just_us

    Ron Paul is getting my vote. I like the way that he has and shows respect for all people and nations compared to G.W. Bush who was arrogant, macho, and calling countries “axis of evil”. That kind of talk only perpetuates ill feeling around the world. I compare it with my neighbors; should I throw rocks at them or invite them over for coffee?

    • Joe H.

      that depends. if those neighbors are already throwing rocks…..

  • Cawmun Cents

    Bottom line:
    He aint pretty enough.
    Hell you could be the worst thing that ever happened to this country,but if you dont look like a movie star….the public doesnt want you.
    Just look at what is there now.
    Millions choose style over substance everyday.
    Ever watch daytime television?
    Someone stupider than was before thought humanly possible,can make billions.
    Dont get me started on those who get duped by reality tv.
    Yes folks…it would be better if folks like that stayed home on election day.

    But the realiity is that many of them wont.

    Which is why Dr.Paul will not likely be elected.
    He would be the intelligent choice.
    alas…we are running plumb out of intelligent people in this country.

    So I guess we will be stuck with another round of N.W.O.backside smooching,degenerate losers,running amok in our halls of gubment.
    Sorry to say that I am getting used to it by now….not that I agree with or enjoy it.

    • Jeep

      CC, you are so right about the average sheeple sitting on their worn out couch, eating bon-bons and sipping a YooHoo. Much to our good fortune, the average knuckle dragger does not normally vote anyway. Unless they are energized to take time out from the next Jersey Shore they usually stay home on election night and complain about the results the next day. In this case, many Republicans are quite disillusioned with the main stream field and as Paul’s message gets out (too slowly for my taste) his support has and will continue to grow (in spite of the MSMS.) RP absolutely has a legitimate shot at the nomination. He only needs to come out strong in the early primaries to give confidence to some of his more wishy-washy supporters. But, in the general election, I think we can count on the hard-core liberal base voting (gotta make sure the freebies don’t stop coming!), but the average useful idiot liberal will stay at home as usual. After all, there’s a whole new season of Beavis and Butthead to catch up on.

      • DaveH


    • BigBadJohn

      Exactly correct.
      The most repeated negative comments I heard during the campaign for 2004 was “That UGLY John Kerry and his UGLY wife Teresa” When there were actually a LOT of reasons to hate on Kerry….

    • http://aol Don Self

      I think your wrong about looks being so important There was absolutly nothing pretty as a movie star about the halfbreed that is ugly as homemade sin that got elected, and there wasent any one more beautyfull then his opponents vice pres aganist him. But look who won. DON SELF

  • MJ Hutto

    If you have an ear that can hear then Ron Paul has a voice that does more than chatter. Too bad he has been sent to the wilderness by all the networks. My money is on his no nonsense ideas.

  • Hmmmm…………..

    Ron Paul cannot be hushed! It is his committment to the American people to work hard for freedom and the truth! If God wants RP to be president, then nothing can stop him. If God doesn’t want that–then it won’t happen. Simple! Despite the “stop prayer in schools”, “take In God We Trust off our money”, take “Christmas” out of holiday greetings, etc, etc., etc., God will prevail. It’s all in the Bible, known as prophecy (Daniel) and fulfillment (Revelation). Some of it has happened, some IS happening, and there is more to come before it is all over here on earth. Mark my words all you sceptics! You’ll see!!! This world is headed for a turmoil such as has never happened before. We don’t know exactly how it is to come about, other than our freedoms are to be infringed upon, little by little. An authority will take over world domination. This is not meant to scare–it is to warn. “To be warned is to be forewarned”. Now, go get out your Bibles and read and study. It is really a history lesson! Go for it–you might even like it!!!

    • Scott E Downer

      Your Right!

    • DaveH

      We don’t need the Bible to tell us that Socialists fear and loath religion. We have many examples of that in modern history — Russia, China, North Korea …
      Socialists hate religion because it competes with them for the hearts of the citizens. Socialists don’t like competition.

  • Robert A Hirschmann

    The only hope our country has is Ron Paul. He’s the man with the plan and no other candidate in the Republican Party can come close to his agenda. He is the only one “for the people” and not out for himself. If he doesn’t win I fear for this country. Obama is out to destroy the nation our founding fathers worked and fought so hard for and only Dr. Paul is the one to get us back on track. COME ON AMERICA, WAKE UP AND SAVE THIS COUNTRY!!

    • gunsrule

      THE TRUTH AT LAST!!!Ron Paul gets my vote!Has anyone noticed that Herman Cain who is ex-fed gets all kinds of coverage and Ron Paul who wrote a book called”End The Fed” gets hardly no coverage.Even if Ron Paul gets elected their would likely be a “hit” put out on him.He would put us back on the “Gold Standard” and banks would have to pony up 90% more money to buy the gold to balance their “cooked” books!

  • bobby

    We need Ron Paul to restore America. None of the other candidates can be trusted to do what needs to be done. Ron Paul is Honest and Consistent with his views and has a record to prove it. Who wouldn’t vote for that.
    Ron Paul 2012

    • DaveH

      People who want something for nothing.

    • Joe H.

      Perhaps that big percentage that pays no taxes?!?!?

  • Ted Crawford

    Dr. Ron Paul– Joseph Kennedy– Charles Lindburgh
    I’ll let Douglas Adams explain it “”Humanbeings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the expierences of others, are also, remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so”

  • Amarq

    I have supported Dr. Paul for 25 years all the while hopeing he would eventually get a fair review from the media. Its not going to happen. If we save this country…IF…we do it one person at a time…now or never.

  • Scott E Downer

    Ron Paul 2012 because of more people Google him and Now they know a true American some know he is what this country was the foundation ! The time people can search and get Info .The Media promotes the Media in the past.the people no more has to be brain washed ! Ron Paul 2012

  • dave smith

    get the truth at

  • Norm

    Ron Paul is a likable fellow with a few points that would/could be accepted by the electorate. By and large his libertarian, nearly anarchistic views have no possibility of success in the U.S..
    So far the Republican party is playing into the hands of the Dems. by running a bunch of losers, none of whom can beat Obama.

    • DaveH

      Here we go again. Do your kind of people, Norm, ever get tired of trying to manipulate people with your favorite buzzwords? We are very far away from Anarchy. And in fact, most anarchic situations are the result of people like you adoringly swooning at the heals of Big Government until it inevitably collapses under its own weight.

      • mark

        You guys have got your favorite buzz words, too, to manipulate people: free market capitalism (never existed), limited government (limited to your interests), free republic (government for the upper and middle classes, denying political power to the poor, propertyless, and minorities who refuse to sell out to the ruling order).

        • Alex Frazier

          That’s terribly ignorant mark. Free market capitalism is exactly that. It’s a free market. It’s not under the thumb of government restrictions that promote the doctrine of wealth by scarcity. Limited government means limited to the Constitution, which is in YOUR interest as well. A free republic is a representative government. It means we all have a say through our representative, and it also happens to be Constitutional.

          Have you ever read a book before? Did you get your views from a friend at work or something? How can you possibly be so obtuse?

          In the interest of not casting pearls before swine, I will choose not to explain why you have no clue what you’re talking about.

        • DaveH

          Manipulating people, Mark, by allowing them to trade with the people of their choice? You’ve been around here long enough to have learned something if you wanted. The fact that you keep repeating the same old emotional and illogical statements over and over indicates to me that you have a vested interest in promoting ignorance among your fellow citizens. You’re feeding at the trough, aren’t you Mark?

          • Joe H.

            He is in constant victim state. He will never learn till he unties himself from that wagon!!!

  • Scott E Downer

    You Tube is a good resource for looking up Ron Paul and Google …

  • Dorian Douglas

    Dr Paul is right on in his approach to economics of our government. We have to get the government out of running the economy, and leading us down the road to “one world government”. But he is just naive at best in his approach to foreign policy (not necessarily wrong, just naive).

    While I have reservations about Gingrich, we would get Dr Paul’s economics with a better grasp of both foreign & domestic policy.

    At this stage, we need a constitutional president, who in time will hopefully restore the economic equilibrium. What we can not abide is another term for the current occupier of the White House. By 2016, we will no longer be a Republic if he is reelected. Of course, we need to reshape Congress, too; but that is a discussion for another day.

    • DaveH

      What is Naive is the belief that the Perpetual Wars are ever going to lead to Peace.
      Insanity, the belief that doing the same thing over and over will have a different outcome next time.

  • PATRIOT 101

    Ron Paul is organizing in Iowa. We have a very politically “awake” electorate. Instead of 3/4 of everybody having no idea what is going on, here IT IS ONLY ABOUT 1/2!
    In a caucus state (Like Iowa) the politically awake get to choose the candidates. It takes effort and organization to get people out the day after New Years at 7:00 PM in cold snowy Iowa. Paul voters are loyal, and will get to the polls. They will commandeer every friend, relative and acquaintance and get them there to vote as well!
    Look for Ron Paul to win the Iowa caucus.

    • DaveH

      Go Ron Paul! Go Iowa!

  • Breeze

    We need someone to shake things up. We have been stuck for voting for the “lesser of two evils” long enough. Ron Paul has real hope & change to OUR country, the rest, on both sides, are just the status quo. We will not get any change till we get someone like Paul.

    • Norm

      Remember that not getting what you want is sometimes a wonderful stroke of luck.
      The Dalai Lama

      • DaveH

        What I don’t get, Norm, is why you Liberals would be against Ron Paul.
        He would let you drug yourselves into a stupor.
        He would let you have all the perverted sex you want.
        He would let you gamble your fortune away.
        In short, he would let you do any dumb thing you want to do to yourself.
        Oh. Wait. I get it now. After doing all those dumb things, Ron wouldn’t let you ride on the shoulders of others who didn’t.

        • Norm

          Gee Dave I don’t do any of those things. In fact I’m quite predictable, reliable, hard working, and reasonably well off. I just bought a new home and sold my former home at a very nice profit. I love the free enterprise system.
          What I hate are people who want to destroy America by pretending we are living in the 1700′s. Phony patriots who distort the constitution and try to screw the unfortunate to satisfy an insatiable greed are as dangerous as any terrorist.

          • DaveH

            Let me get this straight, Norm. People are Greedy for wanting to keep their own money, but you’re NOT Greedy for wanting to take the money of others? Did Karolyn lend you her magic mirror?

          • DaveH

            Pick up a copy of this book, Norm, and wake up to reality:

            Take off those Green-Colored Glasses, Norm, and help to actually save those people who you feign concern for.

  • Phil Coldren

    If more people were educated about what a true Libritarian is, Dr. Ron Paul for president would be a no brainer .With so many government employees,welfare recipients,and nanny state parasites having the right to vote it wlll never happen.

    • DaveH

      I disagree, Phil, that it will never happen. We can’t expect morality from most of the parasites, but even the parasites are aware that they also will perish if they kill the host.

  • Mike

    Ron Paul has my vote in 2012. He also has the support of most veterans. Paul is the ONLY candidate running that will truly change anything. Ron Paul 2012.

    • Norm

      If a man could have half his wishes, he would double his troubles.
      Benjamin Franklin

      • Joe H.

        if you were given half a brain you would have a quarte of one!!
        Joe H.

      • Don Jusko

        No one agrees with you Norm. You attack but never with any information. You are what I call a know-nothing troll.
        Audit the Fed, bring the troops home, protect our borders, balance the budget. Why don’t you attack one of those points Norm? I’d love to bring you down in public.

  • bill

    Well I am with Our friend Bruce.I have no idea what the MSMs are saying because
    I kicked them out of my house.You may lie to me,if you so choose,but you can’t make me pay for it. cheers

  • bob wire

    “Listening to the mainstream government propaganda arm corporatist media, one would think Ron Paul doesn’t exist; ”

    They will Mr. Livingston, but not until Fox does.

    Fox has but slow to do that for some reason. Any one wish to speculate why?

    • BigBadJohn

      Same reason different angle.
      The MSM hates the idea of ending giveaways to people and corporations.

      Fox hates the idea of ending giveaways to the Military Industrial Complex. This is the same reason why “conservative” republicans hate him and why he will most likely end up like JFK if elected.

    • DaveH

      Watch Fox Business Network, Bob Wire. Especially Judge Napolitano’s Freedom Watch, and John Stossel.

      • PATRIOT 101

        Yes, The Judge and Stossel! Both great shows.

    • r.p.

      Ratings Bob, ratings: I thought it alomost comical the way they groveled to Ron Paul, asking him to tell his supporters that FOX is ok cause they were sure they broke all records giving R.P sooo much time on their show. Ratings….

  • James T

    Whoever the choose for their main candidate,we shgould support(either that are another four more years of YOU KNOW WHO?)!!!!!!!TAke your pick,Anyones better than Obama.

    • AJ

      I disagree, any one they pick other than Ron Plaul is no better than you know who. Obummer

      • BigBadJohn

        I certainly agree.

        I am and have been an independent for a long time, before that I was a libertarian. Ron Paul is the only person I will vote for – even if it is a write in. The rest are all the same. My biggest complaint about Obama is that he reminds me of Bush.

        • Joe H.

          big BJ,
          he reminds me of Bush, also……ON STEROIDS!!!

  • Chris

    Ron Paul…The candidate THEY dont want you to know about!

    • Chris

      Ron Paul..the candidate THEY dont want you to know about.

      What if Ron used the above statement in his commercials?Just an idea I guess.The last guy that used it wrote a book called-natural cures THEY dont want you to know about.Today he is liked and hated by many.However,the book sold millions as everybody asked themselves-Who are they?And why dont they want me to know about this?All these people then began looking for themselves into why..The result?The organic/holistic market caught fire…and the more the anti-natural people rebuked it..the stronger this message became.Even one of the biggest store chains in the world were forced to sell organic food because people suddenly more-so demanded it.Just a thought..Like the judo approach using the opponents weight as a tool to flip him all the way over.What if this sentence was plastered online?Couldnt it be that spark of curiosity that causes people to it see for themselves?Just a thought.

  • Donald

    I’m not a big Ron Paul fan, but his campaign being blacked out by the media is despicable.

  • Charles S. Rebert

    Priorities for a liberty-loving president: REAL REFORM

    In the interests of States Rights, repeal the Constitution’s 17th Amendment.

    Establish, by constitutional amendment, limits on the reach of the Interstate Commerce Clause.

    Pass the Bricker Amendment regarding the overriding power invested in the Treaty Clause.

    Abolish all extant federal taxes and the Internal Revenue Service and replace those with a national sales tax limited by amendment to 7%; trim government to operate within that budget.

    Enact a national Right to Work Act.

    Eliminate the Federal Reserve and establish, by amendment, the gold standard.

    Make federal agencies like the Environmental Protection Agency only RESEARCH entities, eliminating rule-making authorities.

    Implement law- requiring impeachment of any president who unconstitutionally pursues war without congressional authorization.

    Secure our borders and re-institute sane immigration policies.

    Eliminate the Federal Department of Education and other unworthy agencies [there are hundreds of them].

    Repeal all federal laws regarding drug use – - such laws are unconstitutional and promote crime. If a constitutional amendment was required to outlaw alcohol, amendment is required to outlaw any substance.

    Terminate our involvement with the United Nations and evict the agency from the United States.

    • DaveH

      Many good ideas, Charles.

    • Alex Frazier

      Charles, have you been tapping my phones? That darn near looks like my own list. But I would add the elimination of tariffs and other trade obstacles as well.

    • r.p.

      Charles: While I agree with the elimination of the Federal Reserve, keep in mind the Constitution already states that Gold and Silver shall be the only legal tender. No ammendment needed. Bring back the Green Back(Silver Certificate), and eliminate the Federal Reserve Note(IOU) along with the Federal Reserve.

  • Charles S. Rebert

    I really like the treatise I submitted above!! chuck Rebert

  • AJ

    Don’t care who the Republican elites pick. I’ll only vote for Ron Paul. Even if I have to write him in.

  • bobby

    Both partys have lead the country towards socialism the last 25 years, so If I can’t vote for Ron Paul to restore America, then I will vote for Obama.
    Ron Paul 2012

    • Caroline

      Then if you don’t get your way, then you will vote for OBAMA! What a hlypocrite you are! You want freedom, but you are willing to give it all up just like that! You should want anyone else BUT Obama! That just proves my point even more that blind followers are nut jobs.

      • Bob Livingston

        Dear Caroline,

        You remain trapped in a false left/right paradigm. Until you wake up and see that the parties are two sides of the same coin, nothing will ever change for you. The only difference between the parties is the segment of the population they steal the most from and which of segment of the corporatists they distribute the most to.

        Best wishes,

      • bobby

        Caroline, The reason I would vote for Obama over any candidate other than Ron Paul is if our country is going to hell, we might as well go fast.
        Ron Paul 2012

        • steve in AZ

          You just said a giant mouthful,Bobby. I see it that way as well.We needn’t wait til the last three cannibals vote to have the last patriot for dinner.

          The sooner the swine have to “root, hog, or die”, the sooner we can start re-building this greatest of all nations. And this time , may we be more vigilant in defense of our liberty.

          DONATE NOW so you can VOTE RON PAUL 2012!!!

        • Alex Frazier

          Well said bobby. From a certain perspective, one might even argue that if the damage is done quickly, as has been the case over the last three years, it might actually awaken the people to civil disobedience. OWS is just the beginning. When households across the country find themselves broke and running out of everything, no matter how hard they try, they’ll eventually start looking for answers. And there will be nothing to point to the wealthy anymore, because they will have already been pillaged.

          So a fast decline might be preferable to a slow death. Either we’ll go under completely and get a chance to start over, or the decline will spark a little patriotism.

        • DaveH

          You’re right, Bobby. If our country collapsed while there were still a large portion of us baby-boomers who have experienced life under a much smaller Government, we would have a lot better chance of steering it back in the correct direction (that of Freedom).
          Most of the younger generation is saddled with a decade or more of public school indoctrination which has brainwashed them to believe that Big Government is the Solution to our Problems. Once the vast majority of citizens is composed of the brainwashed types, it will be very unlikely that a collapse will lead to any kind of good recovery.

      • AnneOnymous

        Yeah Caroline, let’s vote ANYBODY in over the bummer.. I can see it now, a pizza on every plate while the replacement ushers his way into the top floors of the fed reserve.. NO! better yet, a Bush clone.. or the flip-flop man, hell even Donald Duck would work huh? That way we could ALL be flushed down the drain. RON PAUL may not be America’s best choice but in reality he’s the ONLY choice.. Anyone else will simply become the same old song and dance and between me and you (I’m tired of getting my feet stomped on).

    • http://aol Don Self

      Bobby do you really think B.O can restore America?Hes the one who got us in such a bad shape ,that only the good LORD can ever hope to do it.In just 2yrs he doubled our countrys debt and wants to do it again. if you think he mite fix it all up , you have some new methods no one else knows about. DON SELF

      • bobby

        Don Self. I would twist my arm out of socket before I would vote for any democrat, but I find it hard to tell the difference these days. Ron Paul is the man to restore America. If he doesn’t get the nomination then we will have lost our country forever. Ron Paul or bust

    • meteorlady

      NO NO NO… just write him in. I have every time he has run.

  • Bryan Minton

    This country does need a Doctor who has the foresight to return us to the fundamentle concepts given us by our founding fathers . Ron Paul is our hope for a better tomorrow , our only hope. His values are the same as the common man ,hes not a politician , he is us..Wake up

  • Charles bond

    For over 200 years the democrats and republicans took turns running America into the ground and has the American people over $15,000,000,000,000.00 in debt to prove it. Ron Paul is the only one running for president that will and can run on his record for the good of America. The American people has got to get the facts and sift through all the PROPAGANDA coming from the so called news media and both democrat and republican parties because they know they would be exposed for what they have done over the years to the American People and AMERICA as a Country………. Charles of Waveland,MS.

  • http://personallibertydigest Lyle McDaniell

    Well folks we all know Ron Paul Exists..But in my house much of the news media does not exist.

  • Susan

    I couldn’t believe that when I voted in an on-line Republican poll that Michelle Bachman won. Are those people insane. She is right up there with Sarah Palin in my opinion and there is no way that Bachman will beat Obama. Thank GOD Paul came in second. But sitting behind a computer and voting isn’t enough people, you actually have to show up and vote in the primaries or Paul will be finished and so will our Country. We cannot let that happen. I also think people fail to understand that as long as our Foreign Policy remains the same, there will be no jobs, because all the money is going to fight these bullsh*t “Wars”. So while jobs may be your biggest concern, nothing will change unless our Foreign Policy changes. Our Foreign Policy is a weapon of mass distruction, the Media its weapon of mass distraction.

  • Caroline

    Some things that Ron Paul says are good, but when I hear him speak, he just sounds like a nut job! Who can respect someone who wants us to put our head in the sand and not defend ourselves?! He’s too extreme for me and when it comes to the polls, don’t believe it…it’s easy to have a group of supporters go to the polling places and make it look like they are ahead. I don’t believe any of the polls. I’m going to have a close look at all the candidates and wait until we are closer to learning everything we can about each of them.

    • Bob Livingston

      Dear Caroline,

      Not to put too fine a point on it, but either you are ignorant or you are lying about Ron Paul. If he is “too extreme” for you, then George Washington must have been an extremist, in your opinion. From his farewell address:

      “Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealousy to be useful must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests.”

      This is the gist of Ron Paul’s foreign policy, and it is correct. For more, go to:

      You say you’re going to have to take a closer look at the candidates. I have made a starting place for you here:

      Best wishes,

    • meteorlady

      I’m sad that you can’t understand Dr. Paul. He’s very intelligent and a true patriot. I can’t fathom why you think he’s a nut job. You didn’t give a single clue that would support that.

      Why not go here and read and evaluate:

      • Joe H.

        Caroline needs to learn about polls. Straw pollsare the only poll that I know of that people can go to and vote. Polls are usually, I say usually, a phone call TO people randomly to get opinions. now it is true that the questions can be fixed in such a way to get the answers you WANT, but they are mostly done by phone call TO the person being polled!!

    • Alex Frazier

      Caroline, here too is an interesting quote from the mid 1800s.

      “It is the fear of [...] punishment, and not the progress of philosophy, that keeps arms in the arsenals, for it cannot be denied that those people who are most advanced in civilization make war, and bother themselves very little with justice when they have no reprisals to fear. [...] Political economy demonstrates that even if the victors alone are considered, war is always begun in the interest of the few, and at the expense of the many. All that is needed, then, is that the masses should clearly perceive this truth. The weight of public opinion, which is yet divided, would then be cast entirely on the side of peace.” :- Claude Frederic Bastiat, Economic Sophisms, Second Series.

  • http://personallibertydigest Lyle McDaniell

    A nut job , head in sand?What do you think these cowboys in WH now are . The minuet they think they can create an enemy anywhere they so desire and have all these nutjobs to follow them ,called nation building,the more nutjobs cease to think. Ron Paul wants us to mind our own damn buisness , and just defend our borders . War is a dirty buisness. Caroline needs to go sign up for a little combat duty and decide a little more about which nut job got you there in the first place. Ive been there, semper fi.

  • http://none RPaul or same ol’

    The only choice is obviously Ron Paul. Anyone that can’t see that lives in a world besides the one I see. That being said, the link that Bruce shared absolutely blew me out of the water. I’m going to assume that Dr. Paul knows all about that and more. Bob Livingston, do you have any thoughts on that link Bruce shared?

  • Marilyn

    All the candidates, with the exception of Ron Paul, are neo-cons and will lead to further destruction of the USA. Those who don’t vote for Ron Paul are looking forward to the antichrist and the NWO.

  • http://aol Don Self

    Iam old and time gets away from me, but it seems about 20 yrs ago I frst started hearng Ron Paul And I thought at the time this is the only one who makes any sense and I thought why didnt everone vote for him? Well this was the start of the spend now pay later mentality.that has put this country and all its people in it headed for the poor house.(the ones that still have a house left )If Paul had been voted in way back then , we woudnt need him now.If he is elected and all the freeloaders stay away from the voting boothes we still may have a chance Pray for him and vote for him . DON SELF

  • meteorlady

    We have gone through some economic times that have never happened before. At no time in history, except during the Great Depression era, has housing ever lost value. So when Fair Housing was passed I’m sure Clinton thought that it would become cheaper and everyone would have a home. (Why the government wanted to get involved in housing makes me wonder, but they did.) The exact opposite occurred, housing became more expensive.

    As housing prices increased it was like a gold rush. People jumped in and took out loans they could afford for 5 or 6 years and then their payments went up. They also started tapping into their home equity to pay for new cars and luxuries. Meanwhile a lot of people jumped in and speculated on housing and “flipped” houses. None of this would have been a problem, as they could easily have refinanced or sold the houses, except housing prices started to deflate as the prices became unsustainable. The first bubble collapsed and with it came the mortgage bubble, then the private debt bubble, etc.

    Now we are faced with a Federal Government that has over spent, put us into astronomical DEBT and a committee that can’t agree to cut anything. Does anyone actually believe that the dollar bubble and the government DEBT bubbles aren’t going to collapse also? A mere $1.4 TRILLION cut over 10 years, while the government keeps spending, is a farce and a lie.

    Now, more than ever, it’s Ron Paul’s time. I am contributing what I can and I hope everyone else will also do the same. I am also getting out and talking to people. Even some of the comments I read on Yahoo, which we all know is pretty liberal, are for Dr. Paul. I’m amazed that people are finally fed up enough to get over the media treatment of Dr. Paul and actually listen to his message.

    Without him and people like him, we are doomed to experience run-away inflation because of constant money printing that has done nothing so far. And we will finally sink into third world status and live on the government plantation collecting our benefits and working at dead end jobs. That’s if most of us still are left living in this country.

    Either that or there will be absolute chaos in this country when everyone finally realizes that we are broke and there is no way to get out of the DEBT they have saddled us with. I plan on looking elsewhere if Obama wins another term and the Democrat majority on congress is not changed by this next election, I will not stay her and watch a great country die a slow and painful death.

  • Capitalist at Birth

    Ron Paul will not get the Republican nomination, nor can he win the general election. As many have stated on this site that they will write Paul in, it insures that Obama will be re-elected. Thanks to you Ron Paul supporters. Wake up, before it is too late.

    • Realist

      Capitlist! I like your spunk! You just tell it like it is. “Pick the sweetest smelling turd in the punch bowl” is just about how you summed it all up for the Republicans. Lemme get this right, The same Jews that gave us George bush, Bob Dole, and that swell guy the amnesty queen himself, John McCain are trying to recycle the same losing cronies so that Karl Rove can get a better job.

      You may be right, but we know who has hi-jacked the Tea Party and we know who owns all the media and after reading your swell statement down playing the only honest man in the debate. I suppose now, you have exposed just who owns you too. Me, I ain’t for sale. If Obama wins because too many supporters are showing up for Ron Paul, I know that it will not be on my head and the globalists got to too many like you.

  • John

    Ron Paul Not corrupt and very strong will smarter than rest. These are the fake conservatives and try to act and sound like Ron Paul! Cain work for the fed and always a puppet for them or others.Newt Has longest corrupt,poor judgement,playboy attitude,Old Bush Not good for America and Member of CFR Not 100% Loyal to America a shrill for big business and Money.Romney and perry clueless bad for America .Soud god ,but long history of lies,distortion, and Not loyal to America. Both want New world Order.

  • jim capy

    You just don’t get it guys! The game is rigged. No matters who wins nothing will get better. We will never balance the budget and pay off the debt. Things will get a lot worse and we will default on our enormous debt. It’s a sure thing!

  • beacon

    RON PAUL and MOSES, have many things in common. They both want, wanted to set their people free in, LIBERTY.

    Both have, had, the insight, to see that the Money Changers or Pharaohs, are, have contolled our world.

    In both cases, the results will be the same.

    RON PAUL 2012

  • simian pete

    It’s just is amazing ! We only have one good candidate for President (Ron Paul). SO all your hopes are hinging on Mr. Paul winning the Republican Party nomination then the Presidency !

    Is the American voter listening, and do they care ? That’s the question …

    What will their answer be ?

  • AJ

    “Ron Paul! Ron Paul or not at all!”

  • James T

    When People Express their opinions,Which they have a right to do in this Country ,They shouldn’t be hammer by other people because of it.Alot of people say this is a christian Nations,but from the Rude remarks that some of these people have made to others on this web site it makes me wonder if that is actually true.If some of these people were in a live group,I wonder how long it would be before a fight would break out.Just because someone doesn’t get his or her candidate elected President ,their going to vote for obama,And just say to hell with the Nation.Is that how any way for a Grow Man,or woman to act.Thinkabout it.I wonder too ,how some of thses people would react to their own childern If they actted that way.As to Ron Paul,He is indeed the Most Trusted of all the Rep.candidates ( in my opinion.)To BoB ;I disagree that both parties belong on the same side of a coin,I’m sure that in some ways they are the same,big Busness,And lots of people with lots of money to burn, howeverTheir ideals are quite differant ,(that is just my opinion,which I ,under the Constitution have a right to express,You may not like my views,but thats okay,I MAY NOT LIKE YOURS EITHER!!!aND JUST THINK I said all this without making any rude remarks,or name calling.

  • jopa

    Each candidate still in the debates is enjoying a week in the top spot before crashing.It is just not Ron Pauls week yet.This week belongs to a guy with the name Newt.What a name it is. A Newt is a slimy little creature found under rocks near a stream.How his mother Knew I don’t know but the name is fitting.Perhaps a more fitting name for him today would be Freddie or Fannie anything but Sue, oops I mean Newt.

    • DaveH

      It won’t be Ron’s week until we make it Ron’s week. The PTBs are desperately trying to find replacements for Ron, but they keep coming up dirty. That’s because most Politicians ARE dirty, it’s just a matter of proving it to the propagandized voters who don’t want to hear it.

    • Joe H.

      there is one reason for the drops you talk of, you miss! All the others have changed from week to week, flipping and flopping, down right lying. Ron Paul has remained constant, never lied, never flip flopped. THAT is why it hasn’t been his week and it won’t be, if we can help it!!!

    • Pepper

      You may have noticed, each flavor of the week becomes more popular after stealing some of Dr. Paul’s ideas. They then drop because they are using stolen ideas and don’t really understand them. I fully expect Ron to be the last man standing.

  • James T

    Bob: Why is a Poll like a Politician? ANswer :Neither can be trusted.Ron Paul is Placed at about Fourth or fifth Place,in the last debate.As far as Newt. is cocern ,Sure hes done some things that weren’t quilt right,He is only human, and maybe Ron Pauls done some bad things too (Notice I said Maybe).Of course Newt.s been married three times,( i’ve known two or three guys that had been married more times than that,)But thats their own private life ,and so long as there has been no laws broken( Cain, Clinton)ITs nobodys else’s busness but their own.Lets stay with the issues,after all thats what needs to be done to create JOBS,name or Mud throwing doesn’t .

    • DaveH

      Forget the personal dirt on Newt. It’s his Big Government advocacy that we should be worried about. He’s just another establishment Republican:

      From the article — “Gingrich backed the creation of the Medicare prescription-drug benefit under President Bush, which the tea party sees as an expansion of an unaffordable entitlement program. He starred in a television ad with former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi calling on Congress to combat climate change. He supported the Wall Street bailout known as TARP. And he backed tea party archrivals such as Dede Scozzafava in the 2009 special election in New York’s 23rd Congressional District and former Utah Sen. Bob Bennett in 2010.”

      • DaveH

        And then there’s this:

        “Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”. — Ben Franklin

        And they will get neither.

    • Joe H.

      James T.,
      how many of those guys you knew abandoned their terminally ill wife to be with another woman??? Morally gingrich is BANKRUPT!!!

  • James T


  • Susan

    I can surely think of some reasons Newton won’t do:
    supports cap and trade scheme; was FOR an individual mandate before he was ‘against’ it; has been paid HUGE sums by Freddie Mac and has a ‘cozy’ relationship with the ethanol industry; helped Clinton push through NAFTA(!) and is a big supporter of the WTO; pro-amnesty for illegal aliens; is a member of the CFR(!) dedicated to One World Govt. I could actually list more reasons, but the fact remains that he will continue the march down the road we’re on, and we simply canNOT allow that to happen. Please choose wisely in 2012…or be
    prepared to see the Fall of the Republic.

    • Phil D

      I think the “Republic” has been down for a long time, we are just trying to “stay” the execution…


  • Susan

    And I regret that I didn’t find this topic until everyone is gone, but have thoroughly appreciated the insightful comments from many. I posted the following yesterday, and it was deleted by the Moderator before it even hit the screen…? Had just posted that one ‘Candidate’ belonged to NO CORPORATE LOBBY, and therefore, was NOT for sale; and I felt that drove Corporate Anything ‘bonkers”, including Corporate Media. And someone replied that I was bound to be referring to Ron Paul – thus, my response to him:

    Thank you for your reply. Interesting that you would know exactly
    about whom I’m speaking…of this field of Candidates. And you know that the only Lobby to whom he feels allegiance is the People’s Lobby. Had an absolutely incredible visit with someone yesterday in the dr’s ofc – who is ‘awakenow’. Was one of many conversations with people of all walks of life who KNOW; they’ve done their research; and listened; and read…and they are absolutely committed to Ron Paul, as am I. An A-C technician was in my home; has been here before and is the one for whom I ask. Had a brief, intense exchange, and as he left, came back from the Van and gave me his dog-earred copy of the “Citizens Rule Book” (he Constitution and the Bill of Rights). These are bright, well-informed people….and yes, Liberty is a driving force.

    • libertytrain

      I don’t know what your laptop is like but mine will delete things before I finish – I must brush by something on this goofy machine. As posters our experience has been that Bob DOES NOT delete random comments; only foul language; or if you put multiple links in, it automatically gets put to needs approval kind of status, but there is no one deleting comments unless they are foul.

  • PATRIOT 101

    Everyone thinks Newt “Is the smartest guy in the room”. This is almost as pronounced of talking point at FOX NEWS as any talking point I’ve heard from the left!
    Truth is that Newt is a CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) guy all the way. Someone please tell me I’m wrong, as I’d like the smartest guy to be president. I just dont think a CFR guy is the (smartest) guy I want!

    • AnhydrousBob

      Ahhh, yes, the old smartest guy is the best guy routine. Well, they told us how smart Obama & Clinton were, and they say so was Woodrow Wilson, Adolf Hitler & Karl Marx. Probably a lot of other “brilliant” guys out there with blood on their hands and destruction in their wake.

    • newspooner

      Actually, Ron Paul is the smartest guy in the room. You need to know him personally to understand just how smart, honest, and healthy he is. The presstitutes will lie about these things to try to scare off the average bonehead voter.

    • Pepper

      Indeed. there is a movie about Enron entitled “the smartest guys in the room” and we all know how well that turned out.

  • James T

    Thanks For the information Susan,and Dave H. on Newt.And I respect your opinions.Being smart on the issues Patriot 101 is one thing ,but the choices one makes is another , it also takes wisdom .(reminds me of some one in the bible that was called solomon;Who was suppose tobe the wisest king the world had ever known And he screwedup big time.Solomon may have been smart,but sure didn’t use much wisdom in some of the things he did.To Joe H;None was Terminally Ill,but there was one who refused to pay child support,for several childern,so which is worse?as far as Big Newt is concern ,unless someone knows all the facts(which I don’T)I could not give you a fair Opinion.Unless some one knows what was said or agreed on between him and his Terminally Ill wife,no one could really give a fair and honest Opinion.

  • James T

    I was wonering Who would vote for the person who becomes the Republician choice for President,If that Person promised to include all the other Republic Candidates in his, or her Administration?

    • http://deleted Claire

      James T–If that person wanted to include the other GOP candidates in his office, I would NOT vote for him.

  • http://deleted Claire

    The MSM already has their “favorites.” Sure, some go through the motions of having Ron Paul on TV but they sure as heck don’t want him elected. It is obvious. The slate of candidates for the GOP leaves a lot to be desired. Ron Paul is the person I would vote for. The others are “fly by nights.” I have said this before, there are some people on this site that I would rather vote for than the numbskulls that are running.

    • Pepper

      Exactly. The media will promote two candidates, one (R) and one (D), each of whom won’t rock the boat.

      They know that a Ron Paul presidency will change things and it scares the living excrement out of them.

      • Phil D

        They should be scared! Ron is gonna kick some royal rump! At least I hope he will. I suppose I am concerned about the Electoral College… that needs to be done away with and let popular vote win out. I believe OBAMA was pushed through the back door by the ELECTORAL COLLEGE.
        Am I wrong?

        Phil D.

  • jopa

    Joe H; You are right that Ron Paul doesn’t flip flop from day to day but the MSM is more interested in keeping an audience that loves the blunders, misstatements,and just pure ignorance and rudeness of some of the candidates.It makes for great comedy whereas Ron Paul makes for more political sense, but he is found intellectually boring with things that make sense.Just like the newt yesterday slamming the OWS folks with ignorant remarks.Did he forget these people are also to be the more likely to vote.He isn’t winning any support with these folks.Ron Paul is actually above the childish actions and rhetoric of his fellow debaters.

  • hoser

    Donate directly to Ron Paul and not the Republican Party. Send the message that the Republican party needs to pull their head out of their you know what.

    • PATRIOT 101

      Very good idea! Problem is the really big contributors (corporations, the military industrial complex) will give to the “Establishment Republican Party” so no matter what!

      It seems Ron Paul is outside this process. He is still a 3rd party candidate even in the Republican primary process.

  • David in MA

    How does this sound?

    Ron Paul Prez.
    Rand Paul V. Prez.

  • Angel Wannabe

    Ron Paul doesn’t exist because, the Lame Stream Media Mogels won’t let him! The media is trying to drive the vote (again), instead of letting we the people choose. Not gonna work this time, as long as the majority of voters don’t fall for the media trap!

    • PATRIOT 101

      Media crap trap!

  • Phil D

    Ron Paul got the Mainstream Media clap trap put on him here, where he was only allowed less than two minutes to comment on the CBS debates, and his competitors were given whatever time they needed…

  • http://deleted Claire

    The MSM will make sure that in the end it will be between Gingrich and Romney. It is obvious. I hope I am wrong because I will not vote for either one of them.

  • AVCurmudgeon

    “As I was going up the stair,
    I met a man who wasn’t there.
    He wasn’t there again today,
    Oh how I wish he’d go away.”

    –Ogden Nash


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