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Ron Paul And Barney Frank Introduce Bill To End Pot Prohibition

June 23, 2011 by  

Rep. Ron Paul introduces bill to end Federal marijuana prosecutionA Republican Presidential candidate and a Massachusetts Democrat introduced a bill on Thursday to end the Federal prohibition on marijuana.

Representatives Ron Paul (R-Texas) and Barney Frank (D-Mass.) announced that their bill will allow each State to create a marijuana policy of its own, as well as legalize, regulate and tax the drug.

According to the nonprofit site ProCon.org, 16 States and Washington, D.C., have enacted laws to legalize medical marijuana. However, because there is a current Federal law prohibiting the sale or tax of marijuana, some States have pointed to confusion regarding what they could or couldn’t do.

For example, The Associated Press reported that New Jersey Governor Chris Christie would not implement a new State law allowing medical marijuana programs until he received assurances people in his State wouldn’t be prosecuted federally.

Morgan Fox, a spokesman for the Marijuana Policy Project, told CNN that he expects the bill “to be talked about quite a bit.”

“I think it will spark a strong debate in the media, and we hope to get some (House) floor time for it,” Fox added.

Currently, the Federal law concerning marijuana describes the drug as highly addictive with no acceptable medicinal value.

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  • Mason

    I heard they can extract oils from it that can be used in fuel, and that it’s fibers can be used to make tons of materials. If george washington carver can find 100 uses for peanuts, we can find profitable uses for the cannibis plant OTHER than smoking it. The fight against it is taking too much money anyway, lets put it to better use…

    • Karolyn

      OMG, yes! Hemp is wonderful and has many uses, although hemp is not the same as cannabis sativa. However, just because it is a form of marijuana and would take business away from other sources, it has been kept illegal.

      • BrotherPatriot

        Bingo!

        Yes, this plant can be harvested several times a year and it’s multiple uses makes it a no brainer whether to have it legalized/regulated/taxed.

        I firmly believe this plant can help bring economic prosperity to America. However, this does not fit into the power that be’s plan to cause the systematic collapse of our economy which would help to bring into being the New World Order/One world Government(Corporation).

        Sooo…most likely this bill will die in it’s infancy. However, it would be nice to see it born. This could give great hope to America.

        Guess we’ll just have to wait & see…perhaps things are changing for the better as more & more American’s are waking up to the truths of our world.

        It’s never to late to have hope.

        Ron Paul is still the best choice we have & he has always had a consistent voting history…(even though he has Masonic connections).

        Good luck to this Bill.

        God Bless.

        • Phil

          Not all members of the Masonic Brotherhood are onboard or behind the NWO approach. The average J6Pk variety has no clue what their eleite Lodges are up to. The problem is that we’ve had a few huge pieces of legislation pushed thru without any real debate. Think of the Patriot Act and Health Care Reform as just 2 of the most recent.

          If people don’t wake up and elect the right people, we are all screwed !

        • Robert Smith

          Oh sheesh Brother Patriot… Now it’s the Masons. Let’s watch as you disparage Ron Paul: “…(even though he has Masonic connections).”

          GEORGE WASHINGTON was a Mason. There is a memorial to him on Shooter’s Hill in Alexandria, VA. (see: http://www.gwmemorial.org/index.php)

          Many of the signers of the DOI were Masons, including Ben Franklen.

          The Shriners Orthopedic and Burn Hospitals… Masons.

          Other Presients? The most recent of 15: GERALD R. FORD.

          Gene Autry was a Mason, as was Roy Rogers, and Red Skelton. Daniel Boon and Davy Crocket… Masons.

          Lots of good people, loyal Americans, and Masons.

          Rob

      • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

        Karolyn:

        17 Oct 2000 … The single most useful page on hemp on the Internet. By Ernest Small and David Marcus. Reprinted from: Trends in new crops and new uses.http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/ncnu02/v5-284.html

        • http://marcum1@wildblue.net coal miner

          Karolyn,

          JANUARY 14, 2010
          By DAVID L. NATHAN
          Most Americans are paying too much for marijuana. I’m not referring to people who smoke it—using the drug generally costs about as much as using alcohol. Marijuana is unaffordable for the rest of America because billions are wasted on misdirected drug education and distracted law enforcement, and we also fail to tax the large underground economy that supplies cannabis.

          On Monday, the New Jersey legislature passed a bill legalizing marijuana for a short list of medical uses. Outgoing Democratic Gov. Jon Corzine says he will sign it into law. This is a positive step, as cannabis has several unique medical applications. But the debate over medical marijuana has obscured the larger issue of pot prohibition.

          As a psychiatrist, I treat individuals who often suffer from devastating substance abuse. Over many years of dealing with my patients’ problems, I have come to realize that we are wasting precious resources on the fight against marijuana, which more closely resembles legal recreational drugs than illegal ones. My conscience compels me to support a comprehensive and nationwide decriminalization of marijuana.

          Prohibition did decrease alcoholism and alcohol consumption in the 1920s. However, the resulting rise of violent organized crime and the loss of tax revenue were untenable and led to the repeal of Prohibition. By analogy, while the broad decriminalization of marijuana will likely reduce the societal and economic costs of pot prohibition, it could lead to more use and abuse.

          The risks of marijuana use are mild compared to those of heroin, ecstasy and other illegal drugs, but the drug is not harmless. A small number of my patients cannot tolerate any use without serious impact on underlying disorders. Others become daily, heavy smokers, manifesting psychological if not physiological dependence. While most of my patients appear to suffer no ill effects from occasional use, the drug makes my work more difficult with certain individuals.

          So why do I support decriminalization? First, marijuana prohibition doesn’t prevent widespread use of the drug, although it does clog our legal system with a small percentage of users and dealers unlucky enough to be prosecuted. More to the point, legal cannabis would never become the societal problem that alcohol already is.

          In most of my substance-abuse patients, I am far more concerned about their consumption of booze than pot. Alcohol frequently induces violent or dangerous behavior and often-irreversible physiological dependence; marijuana does neither. Chronic use of cannabis raises the risk of lung cancer, weight gain, and lingering cognitive changes—but chronic use of alcohol can cause pancreatitis, cirrhosis and permanent dementia. In healthy but reckless teens and young adults, it is frighteningly easy to consume a lethal dose of alcohol, but it is almost impossible to do so with marijuana. Further, compared with cannabis, alcohol can cause severe impairment of judgment, which results in greater concurrent use of hard drugs.

          Many believe marijuana is a gateway drug—perhaps not so harmful in itself but one that leads to the use of more serious drugs. That is not borne out in practice, except that the illegal purchase of cannabis often exposes consumers to profit-minded dealers who push the hard stuff. In this way, the gateway argument is one in favor of decriminalization. If marijuana were purchased at liquor stores rather than on street corners where heroin and crack are also sold, there would likely be a decrease in the use of more serious drugs.

          The nation badly needs the revenue of a “sin tax” on marijuana, akin to alcohol and tobacco taxes. Our government could also save money by ending its battle against marijuana in the drug war and redirecting funds to proactive drug education and substance-abuse treatment. Hyperbolic rants about the evils of marijuana could give way to realistic public education about the drug’s true risks, such as driving under the influence.

          Our nation can acknowledge the dangers of cigarettes, alcohol and marijuana while still permitting their use. The only logically and morally consistent argument for marijuana prohibition necessitates the criminalization of all harmful recreational drugs, including alcohol, nicotine and caffeine. We can agree that such an infringement on personal freedoms is as impractical as it is un-American. The time has come to accept that our nation’s attitude toward marijuana has been misguided for generations and that the only rational approach to cannabis is to legalize, regulate and tax it.

          Dr. Nathan, a psychiatrist in Princeton, N.J., is a clinical assistant professor at Robert Wood Johnson Medical School.

          • Robert Smith

            The “war” on drugs is a war on Americans.

            Talk about a “nanny state”… Well, there it is with the extreme right denying pot.

            If they can have their religious drug of choice, alcohol, why can’t I have my ganga?

            Rob

  • Brenda

    I have 2 chronic pain conditions, and while I am in Canada and not the USA, I am a pot smoker for pain. It DOES have medicinal value, and I strongly believe good things can only come from legalizing it. The possibilities of things that pot can do medicinally and also from things made with hemp, are only starting to be explored. And as someone that is in chronic pain, that’s levels 5-10, 10 being the top of tthe pain scale, 24 – 7 people. And I can either comatose myself with narcotics and a lot of them, or I can smoke a joint, which I can put out when I feel I have had enough. I think I would rather have a drug I can control a little better than pills as you take the pill and go for the ride it gives you. Pot, I can smoke a bag full, I dont but I could, and still be ok enough to handle an emergency and function. Not to say I’d be the same as not under the influence of anything, but pot is NOT the gate way problem drug that has no use in honest society. LEGALISE IT ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • karolyn

      AND it’s all natural!

    • Ellen

      Big Pharm will fight this with all the lies & distortions they can muster, as they stand to lose business once mainstream America realizes the benefits of this natural product. Of course there are problems if you abuse it just as if you abuse prescription painkillers or alcohol. I believe the abusers are a minority of our population and that the majority of us have self control. Pot is less destructive than alcohol or cigarettes and they are legal. There is simply no valid reason for pot being illegal.

      • Christin

        Ellen,
        Maybe not…

        There is a man from India who evidentally sells a synthetic pot that gets you high so we were told. Some of the aware adults in our area are trying to get rid of him because they don’t want him selling his ‘junk’ to the kids all around our town.

        So actually Big Pharma might try to copy this synthetic bad stuff and push it off as an alternative …maybe even with a drug card in obamacare…

        Also it would appear to me that TPTB would like nothing more than to keep the American citizens snoozing on booze and pot…

        • karolyn

          Christin – There is a synthetic material being sold as an incense. One of it’s nicknames is “special K.” It has been outlawed in North Carolina and is very harmful. I have heard of people becoming psychotic from it. Wouldn’t it be better to have a legal natural substance than a synthetic that is vey harmful?

          • http://naver sook young

            Sorry, but the items that you support are illegal. Let’s keep these substances illegal as they are now. Thank you.

            Sook Young
            Wife of the Samurai

          • Robert Smith

            But sooky… Pot wasn’t illegal for most of our history and it cvertainly was smoked throughout.

            Don’t you see prohibition as government interfearence in what should be a FREE America?

            BTW, how’s that canabalism thing going with that transsubstanciazion stuff?

            Rob

    • Carlucci

      Brenda, I agree. I remember years ago coming down with a severe sore throat, pounding headache, and I felt terribly achy all over. We were traveling abroad in Asia. I couldn’t sleep or eat. We came upon some Thai Stick, and after a few whiffs of that, I felt better. (You light the Thai Stick and inhale it through the nose – you don’t smoke it like a joint). We went out and had some delicious hot and spicy Thai Tom Yong Goong soup, then went back to the hotel where I had a few more whiffs of the Thai stick, and went to bed. I slept like a baby. Woke up the next morning and felt fantastic. I don’t know if it was the Thai Stick, or the soup – maybe both. Needless to say, I do believe in the medicinal properties of hemp. And whenever I come down with a cold or sinus infection, I make a run to the nearest Thai restaurant for the soup.

  • Cawmun Cents

    The problem with making it legal is the flood of laws that will come as a result.The big pharmaceutical companies,will litigate control over who grows it and,they will control pricing,as well as amounts given by prescription.All this will also fall under Obamacare.The nightmare that those who cry”legalize”fail to see,is that whatever the government takes control of(via federal guidelines)turns into a nightmare.The number of new laws that would necessarily be enacted would be alarming to say the least.But government pun pot farms?Subsidizing the people who they”allow”to grow the stuff?We have all witnessed the nightmare of gubment control of housing,finance,environment,fuel,entitlements,the list never ends.So now you want to hand over control of medicinal marijuana to the gubment as well?I say emphatically….no.Careful…you may get what you ask for.-CC.

    • Vigilant

      CC-

      “The nightmare that those who cry”legalize”fail to see,is that whatever the government takes control of(via federal guidelines)turns into a nightmare.”

      I’m afraid you have misunderstood the article. Under the legislation, the Feds would relinquish control over it and turn it back to the states where it belongs. That’s a reduction of federal control, not an increase.

      • Cawmun Cents

        That is okay…if you believe that particular part of the article.I however,do not.IF I KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION IT IS THAT THEY WANT TO CONTROL FROM TOP TO BOTTOM.Sorry about the capslock thing but I felt emphasis was necessary.-CC.

        • James

          Cawmun Cents, that’s what Vigilant said. Now, the federal government has control of marujuana, that’s the ultimate top-down control. The Paul-Frank bill would end that and leave it up to the states. The states would each treat marijuana a little differently, like they do with the right to bear arms, and how they treat it would increase or decrease their population accordingly. Such competition between the States is what made America great.

          • DanB

            I am okay with legalizing marijuana on one condition only: they MUST make it so that crimes conducted under the influence of marijuana are treated AS IF they were done without any chemical influence, in other words, as if they were of sound mind when they commit crimes. I realize that a vast majority of those who use medical marijuana may not commit crimes. Since it is considered a mind altering substance, and we have so much law about one’s state of mind to determine if they can be punished for crime…. well, I thought perhaps if you want to legalize marijuana then you would be willing to let them be tried as completely sane and of sound mind should they commit a crime. Otherwise, perhaps if you are not willing to accept them as being of sound mind under the influence, then perhaps you ought to think about what you really want.

            As for myself, I actually want it legalized. If they do legalize medical marijuana but leave the laws as they are, I will tell my family two things. One, I do not want to ever be treated with medical marijuana. There is already a lot of drugs I am leery of. Two, as far as I am concerned, if you choose the mind altering substance knowing the side effects, then you have by default chosen the possibility that you will cause harm even before you were under the influence of the drug. I am just a man, and I cannot judge the gray areas. That does not mean that I should then accept the gray areas as proper. God did not say, “Thou shalt not kill unless you under the influence and then it is okay.” And when Christ gave us the greater law, not only did he teach us forgiveness but he also expanded on the lesser law but expanding upon it. For example, adultery under the Mosaic Law was defined more to just the acts of adultery, but under Christ’s Law it went to so far as to say that if you even look upon another to lust after them that you’ve already committed adultery in your heart. Now for enforcing a law upon the land, the Mosaic Law is a better fit because it is a law of actions. And while judging one’s thoughts is very, very gray and I am sick of all the laws we have that tell us what we were thinking just because we happen to have a certain skin color (I am a bigot and a hater by default–guilty until proven innocent–or rather forever guilty because I was born to white parents and happen to believe the Bible that Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed by God for certain sexual sins). So while I am far off from living true to Christ’s Law, I happen to believe that the Mosaic Law is a good foundation for the law of the land. Leave the judging of thoughts to God.

      • TIME

        Vig,

        Ok let see what Ron Paul & Barry Frank are saying is to get the “Federal Government” out of this venue.
        As in 100% keep thier nose out of it. Thus it will not be under the “federal governments control” at all as in any way shape or form.

        The Bill they are working on is that “EACH STATE,” control it in a mannor that works best for each state.

        That means that say in Calie the laws would be differant than the laws in Maine. By the way two states that have allowed Pot for medical use.
        In Maine one can grow as many as 5 plants for personal use, in Calie you can grow as many as 8 plants.
        Keeping in mind that it takes one pound made into a paste to cure Cancer, and on smaller plants that may in fact be about the noted number.
        To cure pains from what ever ill’s one may have it takes 1.5 to 3 grams per day, or about one small joint to two small joints per day smoked or cooked. But if made into a paste that number would be in milograms.

        If one were to look into it, the only real laws on the books about Pot being a problem are all within the realm of the “FEDERAL” government.

        Again, this comes back to Anslinger’s 100% total rhetoric backed by the {Progressive party as well Progressive Christian movement} from the 1930′s all based on the issue of “Social Justice.”

        Tricky Dickey is the one who really made the problem with the Federal Government very costly to the US Tax payers pocket with his neo Nazi group called the DEA.

        Each year in this nation the cost of just POT alone to the US TAX payer is well over $40 BILLION dollars. Thats only on NEW cases.

        So when one combines that with the cost of jail, trials, etc. over the long run this cost is much higher coming in around $250 BILLION dollars per year. And that number grows and grows every year.
        Thats whats called INSAINE.
        Now so we are on the same page, in just 4 years thats 1 TRILLION DOLLARS. Now where did the money go again?

        If any of you support keeping Pot Illegal, you are in fact supporting the PROGRESSIVE movement’s long range GOALS of enslaving YOU.
        Thus in effect you are 100% responsible for the destruction of this NATION by not only outright ignorance by as well by utter aggressive stupidity.

        • eddie47d

          I almost 100% agreed with you and then you ended by slamming Progressives and enslavement? Progressives have been pushing legalization since forever. No different than the Libertarians and Ron Paul has been consistent on this issue. So many millions have been busted and jailed over marijuana usage and those laws that allow these police actions are counter intuitive to basic freedoms. The War on Drugs is a failure because they label marijuana as a Substance I drug and that made it an easy target. Thus ignoring the real dangers of other drugs.

          • TIME

            Eddie,

            Your not a Progressive, you don’t have enough Money to be in that league. Nor do you even grasp what they are nor whom they are, if you did then you would never lay claim to being such nor would many of your post from the past have ever been posted.
            {Thats not an insult to you nor about you} – its just the truth of the matter.

            Keep in mind that it was the Progressive movment by way of Anslinger and then Nixon who was a Progressive too, as well all that I outlined above all of what is dead on TRUTH.

          • eddie47d

            Dang, you have too have money to be a Progressive? What are Conservatives with money? We could go places with that question.

        • Bob G

          I can’t believe what I am reading here. Where do you people come from? Please go back to whatever looney bin you have escaped from.

        • Christin

          TIME,
          I heard many years ago that prolonged use of marijuana makes one sterile… is that true do you know? Or were they just making stuff up back then to scare people?

          • Robert Smith

            Hi Christin,

            Pot has no documented effect on fertility.

            AGAIN you’ve been lied to by the extreme right.

            Rob

    • Mason

      Yeah, because the government DEFINITLY took absoloute control over alcohol and cigarettes.

      Also, how would this fall under Obamacare? They’re not trying to register it as a medication. The only time it’s used in medical treatment is if someone has a terminal illness and it is used to aleviate the pain, rather than put themselves into a zombified state with the narcotics and other medications that would regularly throw them into a state of unawareness of anything.

      • Vigilant

        I suspect the Feds would regain control in any case, because the FDA has been trying to regulate tobacco for years. If they ever become successful at it (God forbid), then the door would re-open for them to take control of marijuana.

        • Karolyn

          They just cut the FDA’s budget by $285 mil! Maybe they’ll have to curtail all their BS!
          http://www.anh-usa.org/house-cuts-fda-budget-by-285-million/

        • Jim Harrison

          Marijuana is already what government calls a “controlled substance.” Let’s abolish government control of of substance, period. This is not to say it is a good thing for people to abuse any substance, but when civil authority tries to protect people from themselves, it spells tyranny over the long haul. Someone said, “Protect a fool in his folly, and you fill the planet with fools.” Mass protection IS the folly. Have we forgotten the folly of prohibition?

          The Bible is clear that drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of God. it is also clear that civil government is only to be a terror to evil doers who violate the laws it is divinely authorized to enforce.

          Besides, Ron Paul’s position is to strip the Federal government of marijuana laws and turn the matter over to the states; thus, beginning the dismantling of the government’s so-called “war on drugs.” Only the gospel of Jesus Christ can permanently change lives, which in turn will transform the culture.

          • Robert Smith

            Jim says: “Only the gospel of Jesus Christ can permanently change lives, which in turn will transform the culture.”

            Hmmm, sounds to me like the American Christian Talabon.

            No thanks.

            Rob

    • Albino.

      Im. sorry but one reason it’s illegal at the moment is due to the fact it’s so dam easy to grow. Throw some seeds in your back yard and 3-4 months you’ll have a few oz’s of swag!

      Can you grow tobacco in your back yard with ease?

      Alcohol can be made at home just as long as you don’t sell it.

      But at the end of the day they will never legalize it, to much big money against it!

      • Cawmun Cents

        I thank you….

    • C130 Gunship

      CC– You make some good points. I will add that the TRILLIONS of dollars we have pissed away on the drug war has been wasted. It has provided thousands of Federal Tax Suckers with gubbermint union jobs and benefits much than you or I will ever get. Bawney’s Frank support of this bill is two fold: His rump ranger boyfriend got busted awhile back for growing pot in Bawney’s backyard and he got into deep doo doo (not an unusual thing for Bawney) with PETA over his alleged abuse of gerbils. As I recall the story, Washington,DC/ Rodent Rage Supplement – Enraged left wing PETA Picketers surrounded the Washington Office of House Banking Chairman Bawney’s Frank over rumors of Personal Gerbil Abuse to Enhance the Democrat’s personal Stimulus Package.

      A stuttering, muttering, salivating, red faced Frank emerged from his office briefly to denounce the spontaneous display and denied the claims of the protesters that he had abused the little rodents.

      “Most of the rodents I mail ordered from the internet company “Uranus Novelties” arrived either dead, or close to death. Despite my best efforts at resuscitation, I was only able to save 2 over a period of 14 months, and was unable to cancel my irrevocable subscription of a gerbil a month my membership required.”

      Responding to protesters, Frank said he was unable to produce the two living Gerbils at the moment, but if they could come back after lunch he would be happy to show off “Tootsie Roll” and “Darkman” playing happily in their cages in his office.

      “I have given both of these little rodents the best care they ever would have received, better certainly than they would have received in San Francisco, and I resent this right wing conspiracy to distort my record regarding my recent stimulus.”

      In a parting shot at his detractors, he yelled out, “and you all know perfectly well I wouldn’t even hurt a fly…..”

      Most protesters immediately gathered their signs and were last seen heading off to the offal office to pick that bone with the president who most likely would be telling them to “BUZZ OFF.”

    • Robert Smith

      Quit lying cawmun: “The problem with making it legal is the flood of laws that will come as a result.The big pharmaceutical companies,will litigate control over who grows it and,they will control pricing,as well as amounts given by prescription.”

      I’ll simply grow my own. It’s easy to get a large enough supply for personal family use, even indoors.

      Zero… Yup ZERO government involvement. All that’s needed is to get dumb folks out of the way who don’t see what real freedom is.

      Rob

  • iamone3

    Ron Paul for President 2012.

    We need a common sense man/woman in the White House.

    Marijuana should be legal for medical reasons at the very least. Who can argue with adults also being able to use marijuana.

    • Robert Smith

      Asked: ” Who can argue with adults also being able to use marijuana.”

      Answered: The extreme right that is supporting big pharma and putting minorit8ies in jail.

      Rob

  • Karolyn

    BRAVO! Write your Congressmen! Here a link to the automated DPA (Drug Policy Aliance)site

    https://secure2.convio.net/dpa/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=711&autologin=true&JServSessionIdr004=wwobuoi2q2.app213b

  • Jeff

    I support ending the federal prohibition on marijuana. The 10th Amendment of the Constitution makes it clear that this is not a power granted to the federal government, this is a power that is reserved for the states and/or the people. Anyone who supports this bill should do some research on the co-sponsor who is running for President. Just Google: “Ron Paul” or “Ron Paul Flix”. Ron Paul is already influencing the positions of others running for president, as Ron Paul has common sense solutions for US government problems that buck the establishment. Learn about Ron Paul and join the peaceful revolution to restore liberty to America.

  • jopa

    I read an article a while back about Kentucky, the state that spends the most annually trying to eradicate the cultivation of weed.They think that when people smoke weed they may find it more pleasurable getting high without hangovers.They feel there whiskey and bourbon industry is in jeopardy and people might start comparing stats on drunk drivers and drivers that smoked some weed.I don’t hang out with potheads but I have never seen one causing a disturbance or become a real pain in the ass.Even in Amsterdam they sit in their coffee shops or just stare into space enjoying freedom.

  • Joan Miller

    I am against legalizing pot. We need look no further than Ron Paul teaming up with Barney Frank of all people to know that this is a bad idea. Barney is such a stellar citizen??????

    • karolyn

      Who care who sponsors the bill? We just need to help get it passed!
      Of course, I’m sure not all states will come on board. Let’s face it; it has to change. Legally, the people in the states that allow it can be federally prosecuted! That’s simply not right!

      • Crystal

        You should care who sponsors the bill. If the individual who sponsors it is a loon like Barney Frank, then you should proceed with caution. I choose not to proceed at all. I just look at how legalizing alcohol has affected our society. More negatively than positively. The difference is we will have to smell the stink from it.

        • eddie47d

          Crystal; Then we shouldn’t allow chickens in backyards because of the stink they might make. Some folks do use that argument.

        • http://naver sook young

          I agree with you 100%. Thank you.

          Sook Young
          Wife of the Samurai

        • Robert Smith

          Crystal says: ” If the individual who sponsors it is a loon like Barney Frank, then you should proceed with caution.”

          Actually Barny Frank has been working to decriminalize pot for a long time.

          I consider Ron Paul to be the loony one. But I’ll still support decriminalizing pot.

          Rob

    • Jim Harrison

      This is a typical Pavlovian “conditioned-reflexes” reaction. I know it is trite to repeat the adage, “A stopped clock is right twice a day.” Even a progressive liberal is capable of stumbling into something that makes sense once in a while.

      Even the patriarch Abraham temporarily teamed up with pagan leaders to catch the kidnappers of their respective relatives. When the campaign was over, so was the alliance.

      A bit of advice: Keep your eye on the issue, not the persons. Let the issue stand or fall on its own merits (or demerits). Then, let the chips fall where they may.

    • Robert Smith

      Hey Joan…

      You don’t like Barny so you deny ME freedom? How unAmerican of you.

      Rob

  • newspooner

    Anyone who voluntarily injests particulate matter into their lungs is foolish, especially if it is loaded with noxious chemicals. Anything of medicinal value in marijuana can be readily extracted so that it doesn’t need to be smoked. The problem is not marijuana. The real problem is that substances, especially naturally occurring plants should not be illegal to possess. More later.

    • JoMama

      newspooner – so what is it that is so noxious?? From what I understand – it’s an all natural plant – not a chemical as you claim.
      Besides – when you “extract the medicinal substance from the plant” wouldn’t that also be noxious from the chemicals??
      It’s a plant. Grown with fertilizer, dirt & water. Where do the “noxious chemicals” come from again??
      Enlighten all of us please!!

      • trishmartin

        Karolyn & JoMama – TOBACCO is all “natural” too, not a chemical and it sure as hell isn’t good for you. Nightshade is natural, but is very poisonous. Natural doesn’t mean diddly as far as whether it is good for you or not!

        Just my opimion – but OF COURSE Barney and his fellow liberals/libertarians want this bill passed – an entire citizenry toked up on LEGALIZED pot is much easier to control and lead wherever they wish to lead them than one that is largely clear headed and motivated. MOTIVTION – something pot smokers lack unless you are talking about the motivation to find something to curb the munchies!

        • Karolyn

          I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: Legalizing it won’t get more people started smoking pot. I believe that man has gotten high since the caveman first decided to chew that leaf and liked how it made him feel, and no laws will ever stop that fact. Legalizing any drugs will not result in more people using. Those that do will; and those that don’t won’t. Would you have tobacco criminalized because it’s bad for people? Alcohol is certainly much worse than pot or tobacco. Let’s criminalize that too! How about criminalizing eating too many cupcakes! They already want to clamp down on vitamins and supplements. You lose sight of the main issue, which is personal freedom.

      • Robert Smith

        JoMama…

        Just for the record pot doesn’t need to be smoked directly.

        One can vaporize it in a product like a Vulcano and the particulate mater is minimal compared to a joint.

        The THC and canaboids can be taken out of the plant as simply as by cooking it in butter. Then that butter can be used to make cookies, brownies, or dip lobster into it. Mmmmmmm, good.

        Further, the amount compared to tobacco isn’t much. The fact is that being able to titrate the dose to precisely where it needs to be for the patient or recreational user means less is needed to get a desired effect.

        Rob

    • Albino.

      Try a vaporizer if you don’t wish to smoke the weed! Also try baking some brownies with it….. emmmm Sounds good! How about some MJ tea??

      • http://naver sook young

        Are you crazy? Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

        • Robert Smith

          I’m not crazy sook.

          Using canibutter in all sorts of cooking is an easy way to avoid the minimal ill effects smoking it.

          Or, use olive oil and make some Rosta Pasta!

          BTW, the alcohol in sacrimental wine is a very harmful drug, particulrly when used in excess. But oops there’s that transsubstanciation thing so I guess the alcohol isn’t there, but I don’t want my kids to learn about canabalism from christians.

          Rob

      • Robert Smith

        Hi Albino,

        A vaporizer can be found at: http://www.volcanovaporizer.com/

        BTW, it’s very useful outside the pot world also. One can vaporize the essance of many herbs and add to the orfactory experience of dining. In the hands of an accomplished chef it’s AMAZING and a legal use for the device.

        Rob

  • MASON

    Ron Paul just shot his run for the White House in the foot.

    • Christin

      That’s what I thought, too, Mason.

      • http://naver samurai

        Me too. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Robert Smith

        Really…

        And if Ron Paul runs against Obama?

        Rob

  • Bogusbob

    I always tought Ron Paul looked a little dopey. I see all drug addicts are in favor of this. Just what we need, the politicians are screaming for better laws to control smoking. How is it that MJ is any different than a camel?? I do not want to see freeways full of doped up drivers. Ron Paul might as well go back to Texas and do his smoking there.

    • Albino.

      Ha…… You really don’t want to know how many people in this country smoke MJ….. It’s a LOT more than you think!

      One question…… Are your for or against LIBERTY?

    • karolyn

      You picked the right name for yourself.

    • Robert Smith

      Bobusbob asks: “How is it that MJ is any different than a camel??”

      Let’s talk about NORMAL people, not the overzealous who do it to abusive excess. Even christianity has folks who are christian to excess and go out and shoot doctors. So, let’s not use the extremists as any examples, OK?

      First: Dosage
      A reefer or two is sufficient for recreational use in front of the fire on a Saturday night. Cammels are 20, 40, or even 60 a day. That is a huge load of stuff going into the lungs.

      The nicotine in Cammels is extremely addictive. Pot is NOT addictive, although it can be habituating for some. There are few, if any, withdrall problems with pot if one doesn’t get what they want. Ciggaretts are notorious for people not quitting.

      Pot does have medicinal value for many people. Camels just don’t.

      I’ve never ever heard of someone tossing a roach and starting a fire. Camels have started forest fires and fires in beds.

      Need more?

      Rob

  • Bob

    Anyone who makes common cause with a devil is a devil himself. This just proves that libertarians are as much a threat to America as lieberals.

    • TIME

      Bob,

      Perhaps closed minded agressively stupid Fascist Quais Conservative’s and Liberals are a higher level of a problem than that of the “PURE” Liberals, Libertarians or “PURE” Conservatives.
      As in people who don’t believe in making LAWS to restrict personal Libertys and Freedoms as it were.

      Hey when utter and complete ignorance is the Key Stone of ones argument I guess that comments like your’s would be within the relm of normal, as by your post you sure are a Progressive best Friend.

      And just what was it that landed this nation at the door step where we now stand? Was it folks who smoke pot?
      Or was it in fact folks who employ aggressive stupidity as their standard? While shouting about Freedoms and Libertys?
      Or is that just a double standard factor in play, you can’t have it both way, you either allow Personal Libertys and Freedom or your don’t?
      As in its not a pick and choose factor, thats why we are now at nearly $15 Trillion dollars in the red, and growing daily!

      • Bob

        Time: Sounds like you are just one toke away from insanity. Druggies are scum, pure and simple and they do have a good deal to do with the problems in America today. And, by the way, freedom and license are not the same thing. Libertarians are nothing more than lieberals in drag.

        • TIME

          Bob,
          I will pray for you that your illness is cured soon.

        • Albino.

          You didn’t answer the question…….. Are you for LIBERTY or not?

        • karolyn

          Bob – You sure do love that word “scum” don’t you? Drug addicts are mentally and emotionally sick individuals. You might want to try some pot. It might help you.

          • Robert Smith

            Hey karolyn…

            It’s 5:15 here in EST land. It’s also after 4:20.

            That means I can have either booze or pot without having to think it’s time “somewhere.”

            Rob

        • Robert Smith

          Bob claims: “Druggies are scum, pure and simple and they do have a good deal to do with the problems in America today.”

          Conservative Wm. F. Buckley was a pot head. Carl Sagan was too. Tony Curtis, Arnold Swartzneger, Glenn Beck, George Bush…

          Surprise, surprise, surprise! Congressman Newt Gingrich co-introduced legislation to allow marijuana’s use as a medicine at the Federal level on September 16, 1981. He has also admitted to smoking it too.

          Rob

    • karolyn

      OK, Bob the Christian, show us where in the Bible it says not to use the herbs that God has given to us.

      • iamone3

        :) Ditto

      • http://naver samurai

        It does say that we are to do nothing unnatural to our bodies. Doing illegal drugs isn’t natural, so put a sock in it. Enough said! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • karolyn

          What about coffee, Samurai? That, cannabis and tombacco, as well as peyote, mescaline, opium, etc. are all naural substances provided to us by God.

          • http://naver samurai

            God created them yes, but that doesn’t mean we should use them. Some of the things you have listed are illegal drugs and were made illegal for a reason. You say coffee and tobacco. Don’t these also harm the human body? Doesn’t smoking cause cancer and drinking too much coffee cause high blood pressure, increased chance of stroke, and liver problems? They may be there, but that doesn’t mean anything now does it? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            Hey samurai,

            Your god created pot. How can it not be natural?

            It’s the EXCESSIVE use that is harmful, just like excessive christians who picket the funerals of our service men and women coming home. You know, your buddy “god hates fags.” Remember him? I consider him to be an excessive christian.

            Rob

        • Robert Smith

          From samurai: ” Doing illegal drugs isn’t natural, so put a sock in it.”

          But pot was legal until the dumb “reefer madness” of the early 1900s.

          Besides, it’s legal for medical use in over a dozen states. Did your brutal christian god recognize those votes and say it’s OK there?

          Rob

          • Robert Smith

            Tricky for samurai because if he doesn’t respect the states that VOTED on Medical pot and opts for the feds he’s set himself up as yet another reich wing hippocrit.

            Do you believe in a vote by the people and states’ rights samurai?

            Rob

  • steve in AZ

    Haha. Yup – legalize pot and all other recreational drugs. Abolish Medicaid, so that taxpayers aren’t held liable for poor individual choices. If some are truly concerned about those who make poor health and life choices, nobody will prevent them from creating charities to help the druggies.If your child becomes a druggie and dies, that’s regrettable. YOU should have been more involved in his life. Quit spending federal tax dollars to fight the phony War on Drugs by removing the profit motive. It’s not the Federal Gubmint’s business.

    Abolish the Fed, the DOE,FDA,EPA,IRS,OSHA,and Homeland Security (and all other phoney baloney federal “regulatory agencies”. Ron Paul will do all this if elected. Then, after lunch, he’ll…

    One excellent reason to legalize is that liberals,enveloped in a pot haze, will probably forget to show up at the polls – especially if a good episode of Oprah or Jerry Springer is being aired on election day. lol

    Implement a no-tolerance, mandatory drug test for all recipients of state assistance in any form. Including congress-people.

    • Albino.

      I’ve voted in every election locally and nationally since my eighteenth birthday, never forgot ONE! I have to smoke a joint before going down to the polls, just to put up with all the crack pots spouting propaganda!

      “Implement a no-tolerance, mandatory drug test for all recipients of state assistance in any form. Including congress-people.”

      I hope that would include Alcohol and Tobacco….!

      • 45caliber

        If you can’t put up with crackpots, as you called them, without smoking MJ first then you are certainly addicted to it.

        • Robert Smith

          Actually, 45, pot is not addictive like Camels are.

          Why are you making stuff up?

          Rob

    • 45caliber

      steve:

      One reason they want to legalize MJ is that if they do, they can more easily keep the population in control. Threaten their source of drug and they will get nasty so make it legal and they will vote for you and whatever else you want.

      • Robert Smith

        5 says: “Threaten their source of drug…”

        Pot can be grown in a closet. I’ve seen it done.

        Get yourself a copy of “High Times” to look at all the products to grow pot yourself. The government really doesn’t have control. The only thing the probihtion is doing is making dealers rich and put kids in jail.

        Oh, and then there’s the violence which will go away if the money is out of pot.

        Rob

  • Crystal

    Anybody who’s for this being legalized is completely mad. Coming up with excuses to get high. You’re not going to benefit. It won’t be controlled. The difference from alcohol is that it stinks and gets other people’s clothes and hair who are not users. It’s not that much illness in the world to legalize this.

    • eddie47d

      Too much alcohol creates illnesses and deaths so you point is off base. Moderate amounts can be beneficial and the same with marijuana.

    • Albino.

      ARE YOU FOR LIBERTY OR NOT??? Jeeeeeeeeez, no one will answer!

      • http://naver samurai

        I’m for the Christian aspect of freedom that we were founded on and not this moronic do anything you want nonsense. Is that a good enough answer for you? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          samurai asks: ” Is that a good enough answer for you?”

          No. I’m not christian and don’t give a squat what your brutal christian god says.

          Freedom means exactly that, freedom. Not something that gives YOUR brutal religion an excuse to oppress people.

          Rob

        • Albino.

          It says nothing in the Constitution about PROHIBITION and the CONSTITUTION IS WHAT THE COUNTRY WAS FOUND ON!!

    • karolyn

      I would suggest you do a little research on the subject.

    • Tastelikecandy

      My harmless flowery scented marijuana smells a hundred times better than cigerrette smoke that kills millions of people not just from smoking but second exposer as well. Dont see you complaining about having to smell that while walking anywhere. Plus marijuana smoke dissipates way faster than other smoke. I have had my mom ask me multiple times if I had been smoking cigerrettes when I hadnt, but she has yet to notice the smell of marijuana that often coats my clothing

      • 45caliber

        So you are still living with Mommy. And you expect us to pay attention to what you believe about MJ?

        • Robert Smith

          What’s the matter 45, can’t refute what he posted so you mock him? Now there’s an adult argument [NOT].

          BTW, the kid is right. Some pot smells pretty good. Some of the incense burned along with it are great.

          Rob

    • 45caliber

      Crystal:

      The real problem is that – like opium – there are some medical benefits. But like opium they don’t have to be due to smoking it. It can be extracted and given like they do morphine. The problem is that too many people want to use this as an excuse to legalize it rather than making medicine – and it is against the law at present to make medicine from it from that very reason.

      • Robert Smith

        The law can be changed.

        It’s that simple.

        Rob

    • http://naver samurai

      Users are losers and losers are users, so don’t do drugs, don’t do drugs!

      McGruff the Crime Dog

      FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

      • Robert Smith

        Expected from samurai…

        Dog is god spelled backwards.

        So, even when samurai is running backwards he still doesn’t make any sense.

        Rob

    • Robert Smith

      Crystal says about pot: ” It won’t be controlled.”

      This is America. Why should pot be controled for adults?

      Rob

  • ONTIME

    The residual of alcohol will be gone from your body in 24 hours, pot takes about 6 months, the idea that you suffer no ill effects from pot are simply untrue, everything a human ingest, breathes or drinks has a effect and in cases of abuse a long term effect. If pot is allowed on the market it to needs good solid regulation and a ongoing study to monitor the overall effects..I am not in favor of introducing another narcotic for the public to legally consume, we have societal problems now we do not control or handle well. Why risk more harm?

    • TIME

      OT,

      Do you know why THC lingers in your body for up to 72 hours?
      I would venture to bet not, so try on this for a learning curb.

      You manufacture Canabinioids within your ouw body. So that means that everyone will test positive if they have had an injury such as cut, broken bone or even a sun burn!

      As to THC being retained in fat cells thats 100% total BS. Fat cells do not retail anything but FAT. As well THC will not be retained in your mussel tissue as its not a protein.

      THC is a simple chemical compound it will have no effect once its been processed through the system. Thus there is no effect from prolonged use, nor are there any residual effects.

      Just as all chemical compounds have an effective period over a limited period of time. In fact THC is generaly expelled by either waste format within a few days, 72 hours on the long end or how ever fast your system works.

      I hope I have given you a better understanding of a Natural Herb and its effects. Think of Pot as being more like Basil.

      By the way, Nutmeg has the same basic same components within its chemical break down as that of LSD, yet you eat Nutmeg in most foods.

      JFRT; Alcohol “dehydrates” ones system, thus it leaves the body in urine and solid waste materials within a few hours.

      But unlike Pot, Alcohol has residual effects of what two are the break down of tissue within both the Liver and Kidney. This damage is in most cases non reversible damage as its an (UN natural) chemical product not made by the human system.

  • Bob Marshall

    Think of many many inmates would not be in jail today if this were passed. taxpayer spend million on keeping inmate sin prison for possesion of a sometimes small amout of marijuana.The State government could sell,reglate and recieve tax revenues from this sales. Look at alcohol. How many die anually on our hiway? How many from marijuana use? it is already being used for medical purposes. The government can’t stop it and as a result many people are dying. Make the law so it is on a trail basis.Like six months.Marijuana is not like cocaine.

    • 45caliber

      The state – and particularly the people – don’t care if the person has some small amount. What we do care about is the crimes committed to GET that small amount. And sooner or later the addict will commit those crimes to get it – and will likely lead far more innocent people into crime themselves in the process of it. So if we can convince someone at the early stage to stop using the drugs then we MIGHT stop a lot of crime later.

      • Albino.

        And hows that working out for you? Has the War on Drugs stopped the criminals? Do we EVER learn from History??

        • 45caliber

          Albino:

          It is working a lot better than it was when it was legal. Further, if we were allowed to actually punish the prisoners as needed for whatever crimes they committed, it would help a lot more. It does help some since some of the ex-prisoners don’t go back on it. It certainly helps more than some of you insisting that it won’t harm a thing and everyone should use it.

          • Karolyn

            45 – Here is one of many articles at the Cato Institute regarding the failurs of the War on Drugs and how it has contributed to crime in the US (and the world):
            http://www.cato.org/pubs/catosletter/catosletterv9n1.pdf

          • iamone3

            It is not for everyone (one size does not fit all) and I have seen no one saying that (you just made that up, didn`t you? :).

          • 45caliber

            I don’t make up things like this. The truth is strange enough.

  • chuckb

    this is so funny all these people wanting to legalize pot, and at the same time wanting to ban cigarettes. thc in pot is more deadly than nicotine. look at some of the more backward nations of the world and the populations thrive on mind altering drugs, even holland does not have legalized drugs, the state controls the sale.
    i think we should open up a huge park or at their home and let the pot heads have at it and at their expense anyone on the street with drugs, arrest them.
    when we had no laws against drugs in this country the addiction rate was three times higher.
    the next time you see anyone collecting names for a petition to legalize marijuana, step back and watch the caliber of people signing up, this should tell you something and if it’s not addictive why do so many argue it’s potential. they like it, they can’t leave it alone and if it is legalized, they think they can buy it cheaper.

    • Albino.

      “thc in pot is more deadly than nicotine” Care to name a source for that little statement?

      Thats a good little sheep…… You keep believing and spreading that government propaganda BS….. Oh wait i thought your on here to stop the governments erosion of PERSONAL LIBERTY? Can I smell a Hypocrite?

      • http://naver samurai

        If it is illegal. immoral, or unethical, we have no right to do such things. Drugs were made illegal for a reason and they should stay that way, period! NO EXCEPTIONS! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • steve in AZ

          I love your spirit,Samurai, but think about your “if it is illegal,immoral” statement a bit.

          What isn’t illegal in our country today, due to the corruption of our leaders? You need to understand the difference between government and country. Then you can put your great spirit to good use.

          Immoral? You say potatao and I say potahto. 300 million Americans can barely agree that the most heinous crimes, murder,rape,assault are immoral, if we were lucky. Most don’t know the difference between morality and shinola.

          By what you say, Obama need only outlaw Christianity and make Islamicism the only legal religion in America and we will all be happy muslims? Coming soon to a neighborhood near you…

          The time for simplistic solutions administered as soundbites is waaaay over.

        • Robert Smith

          From samurai: ” Drugs were made illegal for a reason…”

          Yup pot was made illegal for a reason. It was to get those hispanics who were raping our women and dishing out the evil of reefer madness.

          Sheesh… Oh well, I guess someone who will fall for that brutal christian god samurai says he follows will fall for government propaganda to make an herb made by that god illegal.

          Rob

    • karolyn

      chuck said : “when we had no laws against drugs in this country the addiction rate was three times higher.”

      Care to list your sources for this info? I tend not to believe it.

    • 45caliber

      Exactly.

  • http://simplynatural.blogtownhall.com/2011/04/08/wholistic_libertarianism.thtml SimplyNatural

    It’s good to see such a swelling of libertarian sentiment, here on this forum. There is no liberty more basic than the right to do with your own
    (adult) body as you please, at least in the privacy of your home. No damn government has the right to say otherwise. And the benefits of ending the war on drugs would be immense…probably half the amount we spend on the criminal justice system could be saved…and also the billions going to foreign terrorists who finance their activities with the drug trade…and also help law & order in our neighbor, Mexico. As for the drug addicts who might overdose earlier and drop dead..good riddance to them and all the mayhem they cause.

    • 45caliber

      As far as I’m concern you can use what you want – as long as you give prior permission to shoot you on sight once you commit a crime involving drugs (such as robbing someone for more money for them). And when – not if – you are caught we are allowed to do just that.

      • Robert Smith

        45 says: “as long as you give prior permission to shoot you on sight once you commit a crime involving drugs…”

        Hey 45, can I shoot overzealous christians who try to force their religion on my kids by having them subjected to prayer in schools? Can I shoot them? Please!

        What about the over excited christians who are picketing from the Westborough Baptis Churck? You know, the god hates fags bunch. They are smearing our American fallen heros. Can I shoot some of them?

        BTW, you ALREADY have permission in most circumstances to protect yourself and family. If you want to shoot someone over a car radio I suspect that you are a bit over the top.

        Rob

  • DC/Tex

    I am for the legalization of marijuana and like most of Ron Paul’s ideas and considering voting for him until he buddies up with the queer, greedy, unchristian, evil barny franks who broke the housing market and crippled the economy.

  • jopa

    chuckb; Pot is legal in Holland.I have been there a couple of times and there is no problem selling weed openly.There are some guidelines however and the one that stands out to me the most is they sometimes mix weed and regular tobacco in some joints.When they do, they must inform the customer due to the addictive qualities of regular tobacco and not the weed.If you ever have a chance to go to Amsterdam don’t pass it up.One of the most beautiful cities in Europe and the nicest people.

    • Albino.

      Thats not true….. Amsterdam has tolerated pot, but it has never been legalized and as we post the new government is in the progress of putting a stop to the ALL pot in Amsterdam. A bill was passed over there to ban all sales of pot to none citizens! Then next year, ALL coffees shops will have to stop selling pot! Buy Buy 50% of Amsterdam’s tourism! Sad very Sad, but as usual the stupid abuse a good thing spoil it for the rest of us!

    • 45caliber

      jopa:

      I keep hearing that MJ is “not habit forming”. Yet I have seen many people in the military and in civilian life that are hooked. I somehow that that story is simply that – a story to help alibi those using it. “I’m not really hooked; I can quit any time I want to. But I really like to smoke it and so I’m going to.”

      They are hooked. Or should I say – YOU are hooked?

      There is some sheriff who was being interviewed about having the lowest drug problem in the nation. The one comment I remember most is him saying that there are NO people who can take or leave it – all of them are hooked. And if he makes it hard enough on the “occasional” users, he can usually get them from becoming the permanent users who end up losing everything.

      • Robert Smith

        Pot is not addictive. There is little for “withdrawel” to be experienced.

        I’m not “hooked.” I’ve tried pot several times in my life, once for awhile recovering from surgery, and I’ve also gone for years without picking it up.

        Rob

    • Karolyn

      45 – There’s psychological dependence and physical addiction, two different things. I know people who have smoked pot most of their lives, and they’ve never been in jail, lead normal lives and have jobs.

      • Robert Smith

        There are lots of high functioning folks who do drugs, including alcohol. Conon Doyle wrote Sherlock Holmes as a coke user.

        Rob

  • chuckb

    karolyn, the information came from the schaffer library of drug policy, “addiction rates and drug legalization”

    History also supports the fact that legalization would increase addiction rates. When opium was legal in the United States at the turn of the century, we had proportionately between two and three times the number of addicts than we do presently.23 Furthermore, Dr. Richard Schwartz, Professor of Pediatrics at Georgetown University School of Medicine, notes that Alaska and Oregon, the states that traditionally have had the most lenient drug laws, also have the highest marijuana addiction rates in the United States double the national average.24

    • Albino.

      Please care to post your sources???

      • http://naver samurai

        I think he just stated people’s names, professions, places, and other sourses. Get off of the dope heads bandwagon. It really hurts your credibility. FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Robert Smith

          The source he cited and misquoted by omition is very pro pot.

          Rob

    • 45caliber

      chuckb:

      The reason the drugs were declared illegal in the first place was because too many people were on them and ruining families and increasing crime rates by a lot. The way they broke the problem was sending all caught to jail and actually punishing them – hard. No one who got out wanted to go back again and were careful to make sure they didn’t do anything that might send them back. Today? It’s almost a vacation place. Most of the prisoners like it there because everything is regulated and they don’t have to think or do anything hard to get everything handed to them.

      As one told a guard, “I get a free place to sleep, three good meals a day, a ho’ in the next bed, and YOU to wait on me! Why should I want out?”

    • Tastelikecandy

      good thing marijuana isn’t addictive, so the would need to get rid of whatever made up statistic produces the marijuana addictive rate. I have personally had to quite smoking marijuana 7 times for periods ranging from 1 month to 1 year, and not once did I find it hard to do or have any withdraw symptoms, the only times i ever wanted to smoke during these periods were when I suffered from my cronic migranes(that tend to disappear with the help of THC). But instead of instant relief I suffered thru them for longer than needed because marijuana is unconstitutionally illegal and frowned upon when getting a high paying security clearance type job.

      • 45caliber

        It isn’t addictive – but you quit 7 times and went back to it again each time. People quitting cigarettes – which are considered addictive – generally have less problems than that with quitting. You certainly sound addicted to me.

        • http://naver samurai

          Me too! FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

        • Tastejustlikecandy

          If I had to ultimately give up smoking marijuana for good it could be done with ease was my point. I just think that being told what I can and cannot inhale by the government is absurd. Especially when they condon stuff like cigerette smoke which kills millions every year. HOW MANY HAS CANNABIS KILLED? 0.

          • http://naver samurai

            Care to cite some sources? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

    • Cramer

      Chuckb I smoked pot for several years and then stopped. I was not addicted to it, nor did I experience withdrawals!

      • http://naver sook young

        You are not telling the truth. Thank you.

        Sook Young
        Wife of the Samurai

        • Robert Smith

          Awwww sook, why are you lying about Cramer?

          Pot really isn’t addictive. For some it can be a habit, but for most it is simple to quit.

          Rob

    • Robert Smith

      Hey Chuck, I’ve checked your source and looked at it.

      The scheaffer website is quite positive about pot.

      Check out: http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/hempmenu.htm#HempFacts

      Particularly look at the myths.

      Rob

  • chuckb

    i posted the sources in my last comment. “schaffer library of drug policy” addiction rates and drug legalization. look it up on google.

    • Robert Smith

      Some other drugs, but not pot.

      Why are you outright lying with you bogus selective quotes?

      Rob

  • chuckb

    jopa, i was there at the end of the war. europe wasn’t in a beautiful state at that time. “albino is right”, holland never legalized drugs, they permitted selling under official state guidelines. they have shown some of the drug use in their parks, that should be enough to convince people, it has been shown many times on tv and how anyone could call that a success is beyond me. the drug scene didn’t work out too well for them. due to this failure, they are in the process of changing their law.
    if people desire this stuff, it’s not up to me to be my brothers keeper, let them purchase a bond that will insure the public is not responsible for their habit and let them have all they want. if they od, they pay for it or have insurance to cover.

    • 45caliber

      And when they are caught robbing some neighbor or beating up some child, they need to have previously signed an agreement allowing them to be stood against a wall and shot.

      Now if they did all that, I don’t care if they legalized drugs. We might get rid of these idiots.

      The problem is that they want the freedom to do what they want but they want someone else to be responsible when they go off the deep end.

      • Karolyn

        45caliber – Always ready to see another human being killed. Once again, the same old thinking that everybody is gonna run out and start smoking pot if it’s legal. Ridiculous! There would more than likely be no change at all. There are people who do and people who don’t; and those who don’t won’t.

        • http://naver samurai

          Care to cite some sources to back up that opinionated lie, moron? FOR GOD AND COUNTRY!

          • Robert Smith

            So samurai you want to see a source that says not everyone will become pot heads if it’s legal.

            OK, will YOU start smoking pot if it’s legal?

            How’s that for a reference? What will YOU do when pot is legal.

            What will sook do?

            What will your kids do? Oops, that may work out like abstinence for Bristol did. Forget your kids. If you need for drugs to be illegal to keep them from doing them then you as a parent have failed.

            Rob

  • 45caliber

    I can understand Bawney Fwanks doing that but you’d think a doctor would have more sense than that, wouldn’t you.

  • E-Mon

    Pot is NOT addictive. At least not physically addictive, like tobacco or meth or opiates. I should know being a very occasional user. (I definitely don’t feel like I NEED it) I like a puff once in a while like someone would have an occasional glass of wine with dinner. Mostly it enhances my appreciation of music, either listening or playing, being a semi pro musician. I’ve never ever witnessed anyone get violent after smoking weed, but definitely have when people drink! (I don’t drink alcohol any more because I don’t like what it does to me or how it feels) Unfortunately I am addicted to tobacco which sucks big time. I know it’s slowly killing me but can’t seem to quit, and that’s legal! IMHO, Putting people in prison for smoking pot is a completely insane waste of tax payer dollars, let alone giving the person a criminal record. Ultimately, we are sovereign beings and should be the deciders of what we put in our own bodies, not some government bureaucrat.

  • chuckb

    e-mon, you must live on another planet, you’ve never seen anyone get violent while smoking pot. well, i have seen many cases? try walking around east los angeles or watts some night, you will have a good chance of running into some of these peaceful people smoking pot.

    pot is certainly addictive. .

    # There are also many long-term health consequences of marijuana use. According to the National Institutes of Health, studies show that someone who smokes five joints per week may be taking in as many cancer-causing chemicals as someone who smokes a full pack of cigarettes every day.

    # Marijuana contains more than 400 chemicals, including most of the harmful substances found in tobacco smoke. Smoking one marijuana cigarette deposits about four times more tar into the lungs than a filtered tobacco cigarette.
    Any determination of a drug’s valid medical use must be based on the best available science undertaken by medical professionals. The Institute of Medicine conducted a comprehensive study in 1999 to assess the potential health benefits of marijuana and its constituent cannabinoids. The study concluded that smoking marijuana is not recommended for the treatment of any disease condition. In addition, there are more effective medications currently available. For those reasons, the Institute of Medicine concluded that there is little future in smoked marijuana as a medically approved medication.8
    “this is from the dea.”

    • Karolyn

      chuck – Do you have any problem with people using the 1000s of chemicals sold by Big Pharma?

    • E-Mon

      Chuckb, Yes, in a way I do live on another planet…. A tropical island in the middle of the Pacific ocean. Granted light years away from East LA or Watts. I suppose if I lived there I’d be pretty pissed off too. The question is, given the conditions these people live in….. Is it really the pot causing the violent behavior? I think it would be safe to say in a lot of those cases there might be other actual hard-core drugs involved too. I have an acquaintance who’s been smoking pot all day every day for years and years….. Talkin “wake and bake”. I certainly couldn’t do that, but the guy seems to be in good health and functions like a “normal” human being. It’s not something I would recommend to anyone, but some people seem to be able to function on a steady diet. Speaking of living on another planet…. You’re quoting a report by the DEA, or the Institute of Medicine…. Do you really believe the DEA, or other agencies like the FDA have our best interests at heart? Big Pharma owns the FDA! Not saying that all legal drugs are bad, like cures for malaria etc. but there’s a whole lot of legal drugs out there the FDA has let “slip by” that actually do more damage than the “good” they’re supposed to be doing.

      All these “arguments” aside, I think the underlying point is….. If we are truly sovereign beings living in a free society… i.e. “Of the people, by the people, for the people” we have the right to decide what’s right for us including what we put into our bodies, or a woman’s right to decide whether or not to bring a child into this world. That’s between her and the creator. Or someone’s sexual orientation, or whether “gays” have a right to get married. IMHO This shouldn’t be the domain of any government to decide. The sad thing is…. A lot of people cry FREEDOM but really want to be taken care of by someone they think “knows better” (government) than they do.

  • Putt

    Ron Paul and Barney Frank? I don’t have a problem with pot, I just can’t believe that Ron Paul could get around the stink of Barney “give ‘em a house” Frank to accomplish anything

    • Christin

      I was thinking the same thing, Putt!

  • chuckb

    karolyn, it’s not for me make decisions for anyone except myself. i try not to use any medication unless it’s an urgency. people have become more dependent on drugs of all kinds. my doctor wants to prescribe a pill for every ache and pain, i’m sure he smokes dope, he’s in his late fifties and we don’t agree on politics, he’s for barrycare. the sixties produced a different kind of thinking and now we are at harvest time.

    i’ve heard all the excuses on why pot is good for you and it doesn’t become an addiction, it cures all that ails and so on. that’s for the individual to figure out for themselves, the evidence is out there, however, they want to believe those that are addicted and can’t quit.
    that’s why people running trains and flying planes are restricted from using pot, so if you think it’s safe for you, have at it.

  • SittingMooseShaman

    …”hashisha” the “happy” or “joyous” ” smoke.” …this “hashsassin” bologna is a ruse used by the elites to keep the proletariat constantly working long,long hours in the factories of the “Robber Barons” of the Industrial Revolution.” Mustn’t have the work-force relaxing and getting rested-up… There is a time and a place for everything under the sun. This “marijuana plant” is a medicine and tonic; In use ever since man first ate it. Kings and chiefs however, felt that it’s ‘majik’ powers be reserved for them of royal lineage and not for those of the lower cast… ‘cept’n the plants’ industrial virtues… Her fibres make a whole world of goods: Which is WHY it is illegal within the USA. Thank the Hearst family for this- Granpa Hearsts’ vast industrial-paper, pulp-tree forest holdings were always threatened by hemp… so he bought-off the U.S. Congress and had laws passed which were no different than those of war-lords and tyrannical kings. Racism too: The other anti marijuana laws were for to make it easier to deport Mexicans from the States. Back then, All the politicians had to do was fire-up those “fire-and-brimstone” preachers of the time to garner the religious opposition, and boom; Foaming-in-th’-streets!!
    Ha shisha was common to Yeshua, His disciples, followers etal. no problems. The ‘problems,’ if indeed there were any, was with over-drinking wine: Outside of the seasons of celebrations. “Strong drink” is a matter of certain scribes writing down the order of Popes over the order of history… Not that many distilleries in King Davids’ time…weren’t invented yet.
    The USA has ENOUGH- even too many- ‘laws’ and &*%$#!! “law”(!?!)-yers!
    We’re becoming an actual Gestapo State!
    Have our fathers fought in vain during WW2?!

  • http://N/A Dave Peddle

    To those who don’t know their ASS from their ELBOW and won’t do any research to find out!

    There is no such thing as a Marijuana plant. It’s a Mexican slang word mustered up by Wm. R. Hearst the San Francisco paper magnet and the DuPont chemical family of the early 30′s who coined the word to prevent competition from the 50,000 products that can be derived from Hemp/Cannabis (Sativa/Indicia strains).
    DuPont found out the family could produce many synthetics from petroleum that Hemp already provided.
    Hearst wanted to protect his paper empire – not only news paper supplies, but his timber holdings under Kimberly Clarke. Their concern was to cut the competition off at the knees!
    With Hearst he spread the evils of this new weed in his news papers (and other derogatory slang terms) called Marihuana, a word no one had heard before. He gave lots of space in his papers to rile the people about what he called this evil drug.
    They also made 3 motion pictures from 1935 to 36 about this dreaded drug Marihuana: Reefer Madness, Marihuana; Assassin of Youth; Marihuana: the Devil’s Weed, .
    They then conscripted the “DAM” men of Congress – Robert Doughty, Chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, Harry Anslinger, Head of the Fed. Bur. of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs and Andrew Mellon Sect. to the Treasury and DuPont’s primary investor.
    Together the 5 met in secret to draw up the Bill to have Doughty present it to Congress.
    The Chm. of the W & M Committee could introduce a Bill to Congress that could fore-go debate.
    After the Bill passes; April 14, 1937, it was when Congress learned what they passed was to ban Hemp. That’s a false conclusion because they only banned the word Marihuana. Marihuana has no relationship to Hemp/Cannabis – PERIOD! AND it doesn’t today, if you get your heads out of the sand and think about it”Marihuana”.
    Hemp/Cannabis Sativa or Indicia (with higher concentration of THC – it is the curative property in the many medicines that Hemp provided eons before, over the counter sales with no need for a prescription) It is NOT A DRUG – it is not habit forming, it does not cause hallucinations, it does not impare physical motor skills, there are no withdrawal symptoms AND it can cure addiction.
    As a matter of fact it is the THC (Indicia strain of Cannabis) that can “CURE” cancer – by ingesting or applied topically – without any side affects. (Google the Rick Simpson story)
    This plant alone is the greatest (Industrial/medicinal) plant resource God gave to man.
    From its fibers one can derive: fine papers to cardboard, the canvass that plied the sails of tall ships, rope and cordage, silk fine cloth to work clothes and suits, a plastic 10 X’s stronger that steel, building blocks and sheet pannels lighter and stronger than concrete. Henry Ford grew Hemp, produced cloth interiors for his auto and gasoline from its oil to fuel his first autos. The first money script, Bibles, maps, charts the Betsy Ross’s flag, the first drafts of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were made on Hemp. As a matter of fact Hemp Oil could replace gas/diesel fuel that is refined from petroleum.
    In the New England colonies Hemp was money – one could pay his taxes with Hemp (1631 to 1800′s). It was mandated to be grown. In the 17th and 18th Century it was against the law to REFUSE TO GROW HEMP! One could be jailed in Virginia for refusing to grow Hemp. As a matter of fact during WW2 Hemp was demanded to be grown for the war effort.
    As it is said in my research paper:
    POT IS ILLEGAL BECAUSE BILLIONAIRES WANT TO REMAIN BILLIONAIRS!

    ****** If you are sincere and really want to re establish Hemp/Cannabis to it rightful place in Society I could provide my 7 page report if you cannot find sufficient research yourselves. ******
    This plant alone can be the savior to the N. American economies and sustain 3rd World Countries to have an industrial base with this one lonely plant.
    WHAT YOU HAVE TO GET OUT OF YOUR MINDS AND THE MINDS OF AMERICANS AND CANADIANS IS TO NEVER REFER TO THE WORD – MARIJUANA EVER AGAIN – IT IS AN INSULT TO GOD’S PLANT – HIS WORK!
    When anyone uses the word “marijuana” – CORRECT them, there is no such plant, (it’s a Mexican cuss word) what YOU MEAN is Hemp and or Cannabis! (Sativa or Indicia strains) Tell them the CON was introduced by DuPont and the Hearst families to eliminate competition from HEMP – just to save their asses!

    Dave P.

    • karolyn

      Thank you, Dave!

    • Libertarian58

      In addition to the excellent post above, the “illegal” status of hemp plants is the perfect excuse to continue building an ever larger and larger police force to “control” it with the eventual goal of having enough cops on duty to enforce a Police State. Since marijuana is “everywhere” we can now have militarized “police” and SWAT teams everywhere.

  • Gene

    Really!..how difficult is this? We legalize Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, for god’s sake! They all kill! oooh and it’s scary the amount of taxes that’s spelled $$$$, that the revenuers drag in geez real difficult….no money in the bank cuz the FED and the Feds would rather keep people breaking the law in the land of the free ..New jobs, new industry. CIVIL RIGHTS..if a guy wants to smoke a dandilion why the heck not. Liberty!? Someone needs to have their head drug out of the 19th century sandpile!

  • steve in AZ

    Dr. Paul is not “buddying up” with Barney. He has found common agreement with the left on an issue, and is demonstrating an ability to work with someone with whom he is diametrically opposed on many other issues, however.

    His stance has ALWAYS been that legality of pot is NOT A FEDERAL ISSUE. I agree.

    I don’t believe the Feds should legalize, regulate and tax it. If they did, it would be just one more area where they are in control of something they have no right controlling – and would just be substituting themselves as dealers.

    They’ve proven they can’t find their fundaments with both hands. Legalize ALL drugs and the profit motive disappears and then the supply will. GET IT? The law of supply and demand. Those who continue to partake will have their own beds to lie in, as they should.

    Regardless of how you feel about pot – it’s a LOCAL ISSUE, and not one the FED needs to stick their big fat controlling noses in.

    VOTE RON PAUL 2012!!!

  • http://contributor.yahoo.com/user/165033/larrwayne_po.html LarrWayne

    Ron Paul as president, could get the U.S. out of the crawl mode in a short period of time. The spend crazy claim they have all the right answers, and about 40% believe them.

    • Robert Smith

      From Larr…: “The spend crazy claim they have all the right answers, and about 40% believe them.”

      And the extreme right believed Bush when a couple of wars came along and the spent the country so far into the hole.

      We need to get rid of both extremes.

      Rob

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