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Romney’s Big Government Military Budget

May 16, 2012 by  

Romney’s Big Government Military Budget
Mitt Romney wants to grow the military deficit.

Neoconservatives love big government.

If you are among the Americans who have continually said things like “We need to unite to back Romney” or “I’m not voting for Romney, I’m voting against Obama” throughout the Republican Presidential primaries, you are simply saying “I love big government.”

Throughout his campaign, Romney has claimed that his platform is based upon less spending, smaller deficits and a renewed fiscal responsibility that would slow the United States’ inevitable economic collapse. But Romney’s budget proposal greatly grows the size of government in the name of “safety.”

Romney’s plan for defense spending includes adding in excess of $2 trillion to the U.S. deficit over the next decade, according to an analysis conducted by CNNMoney’s Travis Sharp. The plan would allow for the Pentagon to spend $4 for every $100 the American economy produces.

Romney’s plan to grow the military budget is likely indicative of his plan for a continuation of the world policing and war-happy foreign policies of both the Administrations of George Bush and Barack Obama.

An article from the CATO Institute in 2011 states: “Cutting military spending without changing our foreign policies will put additional burdens on a force strained by a decade of war. Sticking with the status quo will translate into heavier burdens on U.S. taxpayers. If the powers-that-be inside the Beltway decide that we should continue to discourage wealthy allies from defending themselves, then they should explain that to the American people.”

The campaign of GOP candidate Ron Paul, who is no longer campaigning in primary States but is still seeking delegates, released a statement regarding Romney’s military budget saying that Romney and Obama will both increase deficits:

… Americans are stuck with two presumed presidential candidates who will essentially spend an equal amount of money, thus racking up further deficits and debt.

Ron Paul has stressed time and again that to seriously tackle big government and debt we have to reduce both domestic and foreign spending. Paul’s Restore America Now plan allows for the strongest military force on earth, but within the confines of the Constitution and our budget.

Romney’s willingness to spend far more than our national deficit on just military alone does not bode well for anyone wanting to save this country from imminent bankruptcy.

Americans who now reject Obama also do not want to return to George W. Bush. Romney’s military budget alone spends more than Obama or Bush.

The Romney campaign lists as a top priority reversing military cuts put into place by the Obama Administration. For that, the candidate has received a large amount of support from conservative lawmakers from districts with military installations.

Sam Rolley

Staff writer Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After learning about many of the biases present in most modern newsrooms, Rolley became determined to find a position in journalism that would allow him to combat the unsavory image that the news industry has gained. He is dedicated to seeking the truth and exposing the lies disseminated by the mainstream media at the behest of their corporate masters, special interest groups and information gatekeepers.

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  • http://liberty Tony

    To Everyone:
    This article is right on!! However, “Richie Rich” Zombie is going to lose. That’s because when his record comes to the fore front the common citizen will be turned off. It’s basically fixed for the incumbent to win. Farewell!!

    • Rocky Night

      Ron Paul for 2012!

      • John Laperuta

        Ron Paul has zero chance and all he’ll do is take crucial votes away..I know this is lousy that everybody is stone set on 2 parties Rep and Dems and we need a strong 3rd party candidate..but they need to be strong from the start and connect with the people in a way that the Rep and Dems who are in bed with each other will be unable to diminish them and cast them off as insignificant.Unfortunately Ron Paul has not done that and most people look at him as some other version of Ross Perot.A third party needs to rise up with the needs to shake the political apple tree of it’s apples.I won’t vote for Paul because he stands no chance..and Romney right now is the lesser of the evils..we don’t stand a chance if this imposter commie wanna-be dictator gets in again..this entire govt. needs to be placed under arrest for treason .Where is the FBI and CIA?Who is looking out for this nations laws and Constitution?We’re being run into the ground and weakened more and more everyday.

      • Vincent Corrado

        First off, the people don’t decide the president, the electoral college decides and can vote any way they want. I am going to vote for Ron Paul because he truly is the lesser of the three evils. The other 2 candidates work for the Federal Reserve and do what they are told by them. I either vote the way I want or they can put whoever they want in without my consent. If you want a fascist government, vote for Romney or Obama.

      • http://comcast the fisherman

        Romney is a puppet. The tea party will control him

        • Bob Livingston

          Dear the fisherman,

          You write: “Romney is a puppet.” You are correct.

          You write: “The tea party will control him.” Wrong. The banksters control him and Obama.

          Best wishes,

        • Brad

          Good Fishman the Tea Party knows exactly what we need, these hard working Americans are all that is left of a generation that remeber the stories from their parents of the hard times brought on by The Graet Depression. The problem with younger people is they have are out of touch with this reality and have no understanding of the value of the dollar and these people do and also many and most own their own small business, as my self and hire 70% of the employees inthis country, wthout the wisdom of these people the US is finished

      • 2¢ worth…

        John L. sez: “Ron Paul has zero chance and all he’ll do is take crucial votes away”..

        NEVER taking into consideration that Ron Paul COULD win if it were not for the other two taking votes away from him. Don’t look with one-dimensional eyeballs stupe, your, “take crucial votes away” works BOTH ways. Ron Paul 2012..!!

        • Carl in SC

          Good Grief! As one who voted for Ron Paul in our SC primary I am not such a diehard that I will vote for him in November as a write-in or 3rd party candidate. If by some miracle he wrests the nomination from Romney I will vote for him in November. Otherwise I feel that to vote for anyone other than Romney in November will be one less vote against Obama. I’d rather have a true conservative as the Repubican nominee but we’re not getting that at the Convention, so I feel my choice is to go with Romney and vote for as many conservatives for the House and Senate as I can. That is very important.

          • Julie

            I think you should check your math! This is idiotic thinking that will only cause another rich tirant to take our most high office!

          • Carl in SC

            You’re welcome to your opinions as I am to mine and you’re entitled to your vote for whomever you wish just as I am to vote for whomever I wish. All of the Ron Paul votes in November will be nothing more than protest votes that show your frustration. You’re willing to have 4 more years of Obama because you believe Romney is just as bad. Again you’re welcome to your opinion and for now I have the right to believe as I do and to vote for the person in November that is actually on the ballot. My protest vote in 2008 did absolutely no good and, while I like Ron Paul, I don’t think voting 3rd party or write-in will do any good.

      • dufas magnet

        “I won’t vote for Paul because he stands no chance..and Romney right now is the lesser of the evils..we don’t stand a chance if this imposter commie wanna-be dictator gets in again”.. (john laperuta)..

        “I won’t vote for Paul because he stands no chance”..

        So, like all the other hoodoos, your only going to vote for the winner.. Nice psychic powers you have there horse.

        “Romney right now is the lesser of the evils”..

        What are you looking for? More evils.. Again, just as the hoodoos, your war cry is, “Anybody but Obama” (but NOT Ron Paul).. Can’t you see how disgusting that sounds?

        “we don’t stand a chance if this imposter commie wanna-be dictator gets in again”…

        Yet your willing to toss your vote away for another who, other than color, can just as well do and create the same thing you fear about Obama..

        Mittens says he will cut g’ment spending yet, except for the middle class, the sick and the needy, his desires to continue tax cuts for his neighbors and expand the war effort only indicates one thing..

        Ron Paul says he will NOT enlarge an already ballooned military, will balance the budget within four years, eliminate the Fed Reserve criminals who are working in tandem with the wall street moguls and over inflating banksters and will make America strong and respected again, yet you call him a fallacy.. An old anti-semite who wants to addict everybody with his plan to legalize all drugs, create a nation who will seek out and destroy this country once they create their FIRST nuclear bomb and cause other countries to starve because we will no longer give monetary aid to their despots and tyrants..

        Is R.P. a liar like all the other A-holes in politics? There’s no guarantee just like there was no guarantee when we believed Obama nor as we believe Mittens.. However, by looking at R.P’s. past, we can see not only his successes and failures but that he NEVER veered away from his convictions.. Can that be said of these two other stooges?

        Your ideology, presumptions and political philosophy is not only lacking in intellect.. It lacks in common sense. “The lesser of two evils” is still… EVIL!!!

        • Julie


      • Nancy in Nebraska

        Our primary was yesterday. I voted for Ronpaul. He didn’t win. I don’t think that I will vote in November. I have ALWAYS voted. I’ve never missed an election. I’ve been voting for nearly 40 years. I just don’t think that I have the stomach for it anymore. It’s such a farce!!! I don’t think that our votes even count. And what difference if they do. Both of the candidates are selected by the same people. They both answer to those people. Our representatives have not been representing us for as long as I can remember. They are determined to destroy this great country and I sure don’t think that my vote will make one bit of difference. I feel as if my participating in this election just proves to “them” that i am one of the stupid imbeciles. I have NO respect for them or their positions. I think I am done!

        • Dave

          You don’t vote, you no longer have a right to gripe, removing yourself from society is not the answer.

        • Carl in SC

          Nancy, my wife is from N. Platte and she certainly is a conservative.We both voted for Ron Paul in our SC primary but Gingrich won here. If the voters didn’t turn out to make Ron Paul the winner in the primaries of SC, GA, FL and so forth how do we really expect him to be a winner as a write-in in November? Yes, there is a lot of support for Ron Paul but it is eclipsed by supporters of Santorum, Gingrich, and Romney. The problem with the GOP is that too many conservative to moderate candidates run, splitting the conservative votes, which allows the more liberal candidate to win. The same happened in 2008 to allow McCain to win the nomination. We now have a choice of voting for Romney, sitting out the election, or voting for a 3rd party or write-in candidate. Our best chance to help change the nation is to vote for conservative, constitutionalist candidates to both houses of congress. This will be a check against the powers of the president, no matter who he is.

      • Nancy in Nebraska

        The problem is I think that there is NO difference between romney and obummer. I think that “the elite” have already chosen the winner, they just haven’t told us yet. Or that they don’t care which one we choose because they are both puppets of theirs. I think we need to say, we don’t trust “your system anymore. We don’t trust you. We won’t play your game. Something has got to change and just changing the president isn’t going to help. That will keep us on the same road we’re on.

      • Aaron

        it doesn’t matter if Ron Paul ‘can win’ or not – its the principle of it. Explain to me how you can morally justify voting for insane, warmongering, thieving, liars like Romney or Obama. Ron Paul is simply the only choice that makes sense. If you vote for anyone else, you’re essentially voting against my rights and everyone elses, and I take issue with that. Besides, face it: Obama is going to win again. He has the majority of the brainwashed ignorant masses on his side and plenty of money (somehow that has something to do with getting elected???). Furthermore, having another establishment Republican like ‘Rmoney’ in office this time will only make it harder to get a reasonable Republican like Paul in next time. For example, after Bush, I don’t think it wouldn’t have mattered who the next Republican was, people were so turned off to the party they would have elected just about any Democrat. If we are lucky, maybe something similar will happen after 4 more years of Obama and we can finally elect someone worthy of office in 2016. Just thoughts.

    • http://liberty Tony

      Hey John:
      We need to abolish the CIA,FBI,IRS,with the worthless DEA. These groups are simply a waste of tax payers money. Thanks!!

      • Aaron


  • John Laperuta

    Simply ask yourself this…is he worse than Obama?Is anyone worse than what we have now..a Muslim,communist anti-American puppet who bows to our enemies and was caught on mic making promises to the Russians with regards to weakening our national security..and who has absolutely no moral compass.Do you really believe we can tolerate 4 more yrs of this pos.?

    • Brad

      John – I know if Obama wins I will be forced to close my business. Since 2007, during a dem congress and for the last 6 years of trying to make it through their lies and carelessness my business revenue has dropped approximately 50% each year. Last year we had to borrow from the wife’s 401K and this year if we borrow any more her take home pay will be less than we can live on. My business of 36 years is a seasonal business in a very niche market with an affluent clientele and this time of year is the busiest time of the year. I am becoming the world’s best thumb troller and spend most of my time in this blog because there is very little business. How can the house not file criminal charges on these criminals in the senate and this adminitration for treason and lies. Bill got impeached for far less and this idiot lies to the American people everytime he opens his blue gummed booty lips. I hate this SOB. I hope he burns in hell when his time comes.

      • http://liberty Tony

        To Brad:
        The samething will happen to you, if “Richie Rich” Zombie gets elected. The on going joke is, what does Mitt Romney do for fun? He will ring your doorbell and run. Afterwards, he’ll throw you out of your house and sell it to make a profit or a major tax write-off. Later on!!

      • eddie47d

        Considering that the wealthy are still making a good chunk of money Brad and you cater to them for your business there may be a problem someplace else. Now if you would have relied on the working man then maybe I could understand your dilemma. Take another look at the Dimon’s (Chase) and the rest of the fool hardly Banksters who keep screwing with the economy. You keep over looking the usual suspects.

        • Brad

          No Eddie the conservative people have plenty of money but are not spending any until things get better, we get many applicants for collector car loans, but the credit has gotten so bad 80% of the applicants can’t finance a pickle on a hamburger. These are the applicants they have never paid anyone but want a luxury car loan any way. We have many that can’t get an approval, have great creadit except for one thing, They have a recent foreclosure or short sale do to the fact that they say President Obama said they could walk away. So, Eddie, Thanks to OBama, Clinton, Dodd and Frank. Bleeding heart liberals who screwed the pooche with their everybody can buy a house whether they qualify or not. I talk to people all the time and, if you listen to their issues and experiences it soon tells the same story over and over. So don’t insenuate to me after 35 prosperous years I must be doing something wrong, you frickin know it all.


        Unfortunately we have a broken Government both political parties are mired in failure. They have signed on to a trade policy that De Industrialize America in favor cheap labor which elevates corporate profit. The middle class is being destroyed that middle class based on consumer spending was for the most part the engine of US growth. They have decided to be the police man of the world a role that we can no longer afford. Reason Lobbyist of the defense Industry more defense spending the more profit they make.
        I travelled by car in the year 2011 from DFW to Miami, Florida, on each of my night stop none of the Motels were full, spoke to the Hotel managers and he said we have a high vacancy factor because wages are declining and people are cutting on their vacation budget.
        Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at:

      • eddie47d

        Housing prices started going down in 2005 and by 2007 most homeowners took a loss. You’re overly obsessed with Obama on that issue. We took a $90,000 loss when we sold in 2006. Now that was hard to swallow but sometimes you have to move on in life. I hope I never see home prices go up like they did about 12 years ago.What an illusion for everyone!

        • Brad

          Home prices here in Tx have not been effected that much and deffinately where fine until late 2007. But did not take much aof a loss, only mayb 20% in most cases in DFW area. Our local economy is pretty good bacause of corporate tax rates and no state income taxes. It amazes me the states that don’t practice the same concept Texas does, their economy sucks pretty bad, And most of those states have democrats running them. Idf it were not for the illgals and all the charity/entitlkements they suck out of us as a border state we would being kicking the rest of the nations butt by even far more in revenue. Just saying. But unfortunately Texas is only 1/49th of my client base, since we handle loans to all lower 48 states and Hawaii

    • James

      Right on John

      • Ali

        Exactly. My father is a small business owner who says the same.

    • Julie

      John – Did you really say you won’t vote for Paul because he doesn’t stand a chance? Well, if everyone felt that way he won’t have a chance. But instead you WILL vote for the lesser of two evils? Does anyone other than myself see something wrong here? Vote for the RIGHT person! Or the person you feel is right for our country. Whether or not everyone else is! That is our ONLY CHANCE! I’m a little sickened after reading your post and pray others don’t feel the same as you!

      • jturbine

        Julie I will still cast my vote to the right candidate Ron Paul.Hes got more of a following than the media is portraying.We all know of the cheated votes at the primarys and media block on him because the establishment fears him.This terrorizm fear thats been instilled in us is just a ploy to take control.Just like a week or so ago with the underwear bomber that was caught instills fear.The wierd thing about that underwear bomber is he was captured one day and the next morning with sun going up all the news channels had a demonstration of an exact copy of the underwear bomb per all analisys and chemistry on the day he was captured.I noticed the detonation was in broad daylight and remember I and all of you watched the same thing.That underwear bomb is not and can not be real.Its a mathematical certainty that our govt.departments with all their rules could make something like that actually happen.More scare tactics and I’m sure more to come.

      • Ted Crawford

        He must have a very secret large following, given that he recieved less votes last night in Nebraska than someone who isn’t even a candidate any longer!

        • Julie

          What is your point?

      • Ted Crawford

        I would have thought my point was obvious! A Candidates following can’t be very large when someone not even running for the office recieves more votes than a declared Candidate!
        If you are going to refer to vote tampering, I can’t prove or disprove that. Could it be happenning? Yes, and probably is, at some level, but for it to happen on the scale necessary to achieve these results would be almost as improbable as winning the Lottery twice in a row, without ever buying a ticket!

      • BigBadJohn

        Vote for the RIGHT person!
        Vote for the RIGHT person!
        Vote for the RIGHT person!
        Vote for the RIGHT person!
        Vote for the RIGHT person!

        I can not agree enough!!!!

  • wt

    Best Republicans can do..Romney.

    Obama is not a Mislim, but Romney is a Mormon cultist

    I remember seeing a former Republican shking hands with Saddam
    Bush with his arm around a Saudi prince and it was Saudis who were 18 of the 19 hijackers on 911. No Iraqis on those planes.

    Weakening national security? How about 22 billion for a net fighter jet that is so sorry the pilots don’t want to fly it? That spend, spend, miliary industrial complex

    • LGA

      Obama made comments on a televised interview with George Stephanopolis about his “Muslim faith”. George said,”You mean your Christian faith” and Obama sheepishly said yes.
      So obviously he is a Muslim. As a Christian, I would never accidentally talk about my muslim faith.
      As for Bush, he was a milder version of dictator Obama.

      • Doc Sarvis

        Your logic here…So you would talk about your Muslim faith on purpose therefore you are not a Christian.

      • Ted Crawford

        “From the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks”! Obama was at ease, he knew that he would get softballs from George. In his relaxed mood he simply committed a Freudian slip! It clearly wasn’t a forced error!

      • dufas magnet

        “As for Bush, he was a milder version of dictator Obama.”…

        Not really, he just opened the door.. Too late in his last term to really do what he wanted to do.. Obama simply took the reins of the blind horse and has strutted around ever since.

    • John Laperuta

      Lets see..remember when Obama flubbed the swearing in ceremony over the bible and later did it in private?It was not done over a bible.Check out this contains many clips of Obama admitting he is a Muslim and talking up the Islamic faith.You are being played for a fool by this illegal imposter.

      • Liztalk

        Actually it was the right-wing activist Supreme Court judge John Roberts who flubbed the swearing in ceremony, NOT Obama. Judge Roberts had tried to memorize the proper words, but got them wrong, so that’s why they decided to re-do the ceremony.

        This is easy to verify… look it up, and stop believing some of this crap against the President. Sometimes people believe lies first because they refuse to hear or see the TRUTH and they WANT to believe things — like Pres. Obama is a ‘socialist muslim.’ or ‘he’s a secret Muslim’ or ‘he wasn’t sworn in properly because he flubbed the words…’ The believing and spreading of lies goes on and on. From lots of people on this blog, for example.

    • Doc Sarvis

      Right you are wt.

    • Steve E

      And after that, Obama bowed down to the Saudi Prince.

      • http://liberty Tony

        To Steve E:
        Actually, Obama bowed to the Japanese emperor. It was George Bush II that bowed to the Saudi Prince. Thanks!!

      • Ted Crawford

        Sorry Tony Obama also bowed to the Prince. Bush ’43′, instead put his arm around the Prince!

  • Average Joe

    John Laperuta,
    “Simply ask yourself this…is he worse than Obama?”

    I suggest that you watch the following video and then ask yourself the same question.

    Romney = Obama …..The only difference is…tan lines.
    A vote for Willard…is a vote for more of the same.

    Vote for America!

    Ron Paul / Andrew Napolitano 2012!

    • Ted Crawford

      Sorry Average Joe, but Dr. Pauls supporters aren’t numerous enough to even secure the nomination, never mind winning the General Election. They are, unfortunatly numerous enough to secure four more years for Obama!

      • Average Joe

        I’ll see you at the convention… can tell me all about it…after the convention. Until then, Enjoy your delusions.

        • Dave

          Delusional is believing that RP has a snowballs chance at the nomination, if he had the delegates he would be the nominee. He didn’t get enough votes to win primaries so he didn’t get the delegates. It is simple math to figure it out.

      • Vigilant

        Ted, if you wish to enjoy more of the elitist priggishness of not-so-Average Joe, go to his postings at

  • Don

    Vote for Romney and get rid of this anti-christian, anti-american president. Build up the Military, we’ll need all the military might we can use for the next several generations until the jihadists are all killed.

    • Brad

      I tend to agree with you Don and I think when Obama loses we ought to starp his ass to a missile aimed at the whole mid seat and rid the world of all those muslim scum bags.

    • BigBadJohn

      A top news story of the day is that President Barack Obama is supposedly cutting almost half a trillion dollars from the defense budget. But this is simply not true.

      President Obama is not cutting a single dime out of the military budget. He is actually substantially increasing military spending over the next several years. Washington has once again cleverly disguised a spending increase as a “cut.”

      • jturbine

        The numbers dont lie,people do.

  • Deb

    What would happen if all the disenfranchised voters were to write in Ron Paul in November….are there enough of us to put him in office as an act of rebellion against the two, big government establishments?

    • jturbine

      i agree with you Deb.Ron Paul has more support than what we think.Americans are sick and tiered of big govt and same old politics.Hes the only real down to reality politician we have to choose from.We are screwed if something doesnt change and soon.The numbers dont lie,people do.

  • LGA

    Yes, Ron Paul is the only answer to the non constitutionalist New World Order weirdos who are vying for prez.

  • allan higgins

    Delegates make the vote,not the sheep. Remember Bush/gore? The FED really want you to believe that you count. You don’t. I will not be voting for Obozo light. What would be the point? Enough votes for PAUL would wake the thief’s up. My common since will not let me whore myself out by suckering for the FEDs plan. Follow the money! Barry & Rummie are BOTH run by the FED. Turn off the t.v.

    • Brad

      And allan once you wake them up the will get a drink of toilet water, roll over and began counting the sheeple. Get rid of Obama at any cost and then we can work on Romney with someone like Rand Paul.

      • dufas magnet

        Your giving your chum buddy more hope than he will exert, AND your setting up this Nation for another four years of over-spending and war mongering.. You say we will then concentrate on Rand Paul to pull us out of this mess.. With the Nation being close to 20 – 25 trillion in debt by then, how would you expect anyone short of J.C. himself to get us out of this crap.. And you know how he would do it. Your nothing but a dreamer, imagining that Romney will save us all and if not then set up a plan ‘B’ if we live through it. Keep dreaming sleeper.

        • Brad

          Boy you are a Dufas if you think four more years of Odrama would be a wiser choice. At least with Romney we have achance to vote again in 2016. Oblamya wins this election you and your opinions will not ever get a chance again to vote at all.

    • Steve E

      I think the Republican Convention will be interesting having the Paul delegates there making their point of view heard. We will see if there will be a food fight there. I would like to see one in hopes that Romney will lean toward many of Ron Paul’s views.

  • Sirian

    This is a good example of who is controlling who. Obummer is controlled by backstage players while Romney is controlled by the financiers. Relatives to both. And everyone else isn’t seeing the similarities. One steps out of office, maybe, the other steps in and what difference do we see to come about in either our national deficit and or budget – uh do we still have a budget? Hasn’t been one for going on four years, uh. . . nevermind, doesn’t really matter anymore from the Reid that has been whistling down the halls. Obummer provides ideologically and financially based “forward” intents to destroy our Constitution whereas Romney will provide a broader financial and MIC (Military Industrial Complex) base to gather more non-seeing conservatives into the fold. What do we get in the end – trade in a used black Chevy for a new white Chevy. The only difference in most regards is the paint job.

    • Steve E

      In the case that Romney gets elected, I believe that one year into his term, after the euphoria wears off, we will see that Romney is perhaps a little better than Obama, but he won’t be anything to write home about. The Republicans always have a history of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory because their voters never select a true conservative. We may have to use the tactics out of the Libs playbook and just get use to saying “Blame it on Obama”.

      • BigBadJohn

        “We may have to use the tactics out of the Libs playbook and just get use to saying “Blame it on Obama”.”

        LOL too funny didn’t Bush Blame it on Clinton?? It can be argued that libs are using the neocon playbook!

  • HH

    wt you are right, Obama is not mislim, he’s MUslim! This country is in sorry shape when folks like you can not see through the Obama charade. Remember, he was raised in a Muslim country and attended Muslim schools, it’s his heritage. Of course he’s going to deny his Muslim faith but it shows in the way he acts and in the things he says. He’s for sure not christian, no true christian could support gay marriage! His plan from day one was to undermine this country so Muslims can take over and sharia law can be enforced. He’s so close to seeing through with his plans and you folks are just following him like a bunch of lost sheep! I for sure don’t want to live in a socialistic, communistic, Muslim country under sharia law but that’s where we’re headed…… and fast!!! You folks need to wake up before it’s everlovin’ too late!!!

    • Doc Sarvis

      Lots of True Christians support gay marriage. A FAR higher percentage than true Muslims.

      • Average Joe

        Doc Sarvis,

        “Lots of True Christians support gay marriage.”

        Please define:” True Christians” for us Doc.

        True Christians do not in fact…. support homosexuality…it is morally corupt and completely outside of their faith, beliefs and doctrine. True Christians do however, “tolerate” homosexuality….they do not support it. There is a big difference in the concepts…of support and tolerance…..Got it?

        Thou shouldest not speak of matters that thou hast no clue about…thy ignorance showeth.

      • HH

        Being a Christian means that you follow Christ teachings. Christ taught against same sex relationships, so if you support gay marriage you can’t be a TRUE Christian.

      • Doc Sarvis

        What did Jesus say about homosexuality?

        • John Laperuta

          Christians who say they support gay marriage are not Christians for it goes against the very laws of God.You can call yourself a Christian but that does not mean you are one.As Jesus said..those who say they know me yet don’t keep my commandments are liars.While the media loves to paint Christians as anti-gay and hateful this is a distortioon and a lie.Christians know that people with same sex attractions are our brithers and is the sex act that is is all sex act outside of marriage.A homosexual marriage would never be recognized in the eyes of God because it goes against the laws of nature and Gods laws and can not produce life nor sustain a society.It flies in the face of His fruitful and multiply.

      • Average Joe

        “What did Jesus say about homosexuality?”

        While it is true that there is no NT record of where Jesus explicitly stated that homosexuality is wrong, He did in fact condemn the behavior. A careful study of the Bible will bear this out. Please read the following Bible passages and then consider the questions which follow:

        1. And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ “and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh?’” (Matt. 19:4.)

        Questions: What did Jesus say about God’s creative work? Did He make Adam and Joseph? Did He create male and male, or did He create male and female? According to this passage, what has been God’s plan for sexual union [one flesh] since the beginning of time? Was His plan for a male partner to be joined to another male partner, or was it for a husband to be united to his wife? According to this passage, is a man to cleave to his male partner, or to his spouse?

        Consider: Since Jesus approved of His Father’s plan [i.e., one man, one woman, one flesh,] could we correctly say that Jesus condemned homosexuality?

        2. “For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?” (John 5:46-47.)

        Questions: What law was Jesus born under? What law did He live under? Answer: The Law of Moses (cf. Gal. 4:4.) Did Jesus endorse and follow the Law of Moses? What did the Law of Moses say about homosexuality? (Lev. 18:22; 20:13; Deut. 23:17.)

        Consider: Since Jesus was born and lived under the Law of Moses, and since He endorsed the Law of Moses, and since the Law of Moses explicitly condemned homosexuality, then could we correctly say that Jesus also condemned it?

        3. “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for he will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you” (John 16:12-15.)

        Questions: What did Jesus say the Holy Spirit would do for the apostles? Answer: Guide them into all truth (v. 13.) When/as the Holy Spirit guided the apostles into all truth; would He speak on His own authority? Answer: No, He would speak on the authority of Christ (v. 14.) What did Jesus say the Holy Spirit would do in verse 14? Answer: “He (i.e., the Holy Spirit) will take of what is Mine (i.e., Christ’s) and declare it to you” (i.e., the apostles.)

        Consider: Since 1) the apostles would be guided into all truth by the Holy Spirit, and since 2) the Holy Spirit would not speak on His own authority but instead would speak on the authority of Christ, and since 3) the Holy Spirit would take of what was Christ’s and declare it to the apostles, then by WHOSE AUTHORITY would the apostle’s speak/write/teach when the Holy Spirit guided them into all truth? Answer: Christ’s.

        Question: What did the apostle Paul [by Christ’s authority] say about the practice of homosexuality? (Rom. 1:26-27; 1 Cor. 6:9-10.)

        Yes, Jesus did condemn homosexuality in His Word. The good news is, “there is hope for the homosexual; he has reason to believe there is hope for a brighter future. Paul states that some at Corinth had engaged in homosexual acts, but they had been washed, sanctified and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus (1 Cor. 6:9-11.) The same can happen today. As anyone who repents of a sin, the homosexual can be forgiven. He can experience the same freedom and joy that any other sinner knows when he becomes a Christian. The Bible condemns homosexual sex but clearly states that non-practicing homosexuals can be saved” [Doug Sensing, “Christian Response To Homosexuality,” Gospel Advocate, April '93, Vol. CXXXV, No. 4, 12.]

        Anymore questions that you are too lazy to research for yourself?

      • http://liberty Tony

        To Average Joe:
        Jesus did break bread and drank wine with the captain of the Roman guard, who was a well known homosexual. When his disciples question this visit, Jesus stated that his father’s table is for all, all ,who, seek his father’s table is welcomed. Furthermore, Jesus stated that Sodomites, which was the term for gays at that time period, would inherit the kingdom of god. Now, it’s true gays might have to answer to the Lord later on, but we all will have to answer to the Lord in one form or another. The main thing to remember “Don’t caste stones unless your slate is clean”. Nobody has a clean slate. Reflect on this.Thanks!!

      • Average Joe

        Your comment goes back to my original statement…Christians (in this case, Jesus) was being tolerant…not giving approval of the act.. Just because I disapprove of something that you do, does not mean I can’t tolerate long as you don’t involve me without my consent. What folks do in the privacy of their own bedrooms…does not concern me…only them. As you stated, they will have to face their maker for their choices…not me….not you…only themselves.

        I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.
        Robert A. Heinlein

      • http://liberty Tony

        To Average Joe:
        Let me get something straight here, i’m a heterosexual christian man like alot of people. I, personally, would never engage in that type of lifestyle. What, i’m saying not only should we be tolerant of these people for it’s their private business as long as it is with a consenting adult. I’m , also, saying it’s time to recognize their constitutional rights. As i stated a few times on other posts and not to be repetitive, but the GOP with conservatives,as a whole, are on the wrong side of history. We have to accept the inevitable and work towards progress. Thanks!!

      • Steve E

        Just for the record: I hate white people, black people, orientals, albinos, Jews, Christians, Catholics, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhist, Atheist, Gays, Straights, Transsexuals, Handicapped people, non handicapped people, homeless people, people with homes, rich people, poor people, 99%ers, 1%ers, people who want to keep the money they earn, people who want to live a the expense of others, sick people, healthy people, people who want to drill for oil, people who don’t want to drill for oil, people who own guns, people who don’t own guns, people who blame Bush, people who blame Obama, people who own gold, people who who don’t own gold, Wall Street, Main Street, Animals, and myself.
        When I do something wrong, I just blame them. It’s all their fault.

      • Vigilant

        Tony says, “I’m , also, saying it’s time to recognize their constitutional rights.”

        And the constitution of which nation specifies the “right” of gay marriage?

      • Average Joe


        Nowhere in any of my posts did I suggest that they shouldn’t have the same rights as everyone else in this nation…However, since you’ve brought the issue up, they shoud not recieve “special” status either (same rights? YES…special rights? Absolutely NOT!.
        As far as I am concerned, the government has no business at all in the institution of marriage…none.
        Marrige is a contract between two individuals and their creator and as such…should be a matter for the church to decide if they wish to marry two males or two females together in “Holy Matrimony” , after all, that is what marriage actually is….” Holy Matrimony”…anything other than marriage in the house of God…is simply a “civil union”…not a marriage in the strict sense.
        I can find no authority in the Constitution giving the Federal, State or local government authority to be involved in the institution of marriage by any stretch of the immagination…and therefore should keep out of the issue…completely.
        Apparently, you didn’t read my post very well or you would have noticed…I don’t care what others do in the privacy of their own homes….Just don’t involve me without my consent….that’s pretty simple stuff. Marriage is for the church to decide…not the government.

      • Bob Livingston

        Dear Tony,

        You write: “Jesus did break bread and drank wine with the captain of the Roman guard, who was a well known homosexual.” Please cite book, chapter and verse.

        You write: “Jesus stated that Sodomites, which was the term for gays at that time period, would inherit the kingdom of god.” Please cite book, chapter and verse.

        Best wishes,

      • http://liberty Tony

        To Mr. Livingston:
        The chapters in the good book to look at are Matthew 8: 5-13 and Luke 7:2. Granted, the wording of this meeting might be a little different but that was what was being alluded to. Thanks!!

      • http://liberty Tony

        To Mr. Livingston:
        One more thing, this meeting was ,actually, with a Roman centurion. Thanks again!!

      • Bob Livingston

        Dear Tony,

        Here is Matthew 8: 5-13 (NASB)
        5 And when Jesus entered Capernaum, a centurion came to Him, imploring Him, 6 and saying, “Lord, my servant is lying paralyzed at home, fearfully tormented.” 7 Jesus *said to him, “I will come and heal him.” 8 But the centurion said, “Lord, I am not worthy for You to come under my roof, but just say the word, and my servant will be healed. 9 For I also am a man under authority, with soldiers under me; and I say to this one, ‘Go!’ and he goes, and to another, ‘Come!’ and he comes, and to my slave, ‘Do this!’ and he does it.” 10 Now when Jesus heard this, He marveled and said to those who were following, “Truly I say to you, I have not found such great faith with anyone in Israel. 11 I say to you that many will come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven; 12 but the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” 13 And Jesus said to the centurion, “Go; it shall be done for you as you have believed.” And the servant was healed that very moment.

        Here is Luke 7:2 (NASB)
        2 And a centurion’s slave, [a]who was highly regarded by him, was sick and about to die.

        I asked you for evidence indicating the centurion was homosexual. You have provided none. You have made this up from whole cloth.

        I also request the passage in which Jesus said “Sodomites, which was the term for gays at that time period, would inherit the kingdom of god.” You have not provided one. As I know that Jesus did not utter these words, I know that you have made this up from whole cloth as well.

        Best wishes,

      • Steve E

        They used the word “Sodomites” instead of “Gay”. I like the word “Sodomites” better than the word “Gay”. It just sounds better. Just say the words to yourself… “Sodomites”…Then say the word…”Gay”… Doesn’t “Sodomites” sound better? I’m going to use this word instead of word “Gay” from now on. Let’s start a movement to change “Gay” into “Sodomites”. Let’s move “Forward” in the name of political correctness.

      • Vigilant

        Not-so-Average Joe says, “I can find no authority in the Constitution giving the Federal, State or local government authority to be involved in the institution of marriage by any stretch of the imagination [sic]…and therefore should keep out of the issue…completely.”

        I would have expected a delegate to the Republican National Convention to have a greater understanding of the Constitution. Especially one who supports a candidate for whom the Constitution is sacred.

        State and local governments have every Constitutional right to be involved in establishing the legal requirements for marriage. Read the 9th and 10th Amendments, dude.

        And to think this is the same guy who said, “Fortunately, the Delegate system was put in place to protect us from ourselves…to stop an uninformed, under-educated population from electing individuals that the average person doesn’t take the time to vent [sic] properly….”

        Yes, indeed, Joey, yes indeed. Talk about “under-educated.” Your presence in the delegate system is indeed unfortunate.

      • Average Joe


        “I would have expected a delegate to the Republican National Convention to have a greater understanding of the Constitution. Especially one who supports a candidate for whom the Constitution is sacred.”

        ASSming again are we? I have never stated that I am a delegate…simply that I would be in Tampa for the convention ( do you make this stuff up as you go?).

        “State and local governments have every Constitutional right to be involved in establishing the legal requirements for marriage. Read the 9th and 10th Amendments, dude.”

        The Ninth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution reads:

        The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

        The Ninth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is somewhat of an enigma. It provides that the naming of certain rights in the Constitution does not take away from the people rights that are not named. Yet neither the language nor the history of the Ninth Amendment offers any hints as to the nature of the rights it was designed to protect.

        And that gives the Feds the right to define Marriage how?

        10th Amendment:

        The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. ”

        While this may delegate the power to a state, it depends entirely on the State’s own Constitution..and I have yet to find a state Constitution…that does not agree to uphold and defend…the US Constitution. Therefore…the 9th and 10th Amendments do not in fact give the Governement the right to define …religious doctrine…”Holy Matrimony”…. as it falls within the perameters…of the 1st Amendment…..where, “Congress shall make no law”…..

        “Yes, indeed, Joey, yes indeed. Talk about “under-educated.” Your presence in the delegate system is indeed unfortunate.”

        Is that the best you can do?…wow, I’m offended…….I did notice that you brought nothing to the table…other than your opinion….that and $5 will get you a cup of coffee in some places…this isn’t one of those places.

        Have a nice spite of yourself.


      • Vigilant

        “Therefore…the 9th and 10th Amendments do not in fact give the Governement [sic] the right to define …religious doctrine…”Holy Matrimony”…. as it falls within the perameters…of the 1st Amendment…..where, “Congress shall make no law”…..”

        Your understanding of the Constitution is abysmally poor.

        First of all, who ever said the 9th and 10th amendments give Government the right to define religious doctrine? Not I, oh ignorant one.

        I said, “state and local governments have every Constitutional right to be involved in establishing the legal requirements for marriage.” That is an impeccably correct statement and is beyond argument. The Constitution allows the states all powers not specifically denied them, nor those reserved for the Federal Government, period.

        You’ll find marriage laws and statutes in EVERY state, you won’t find them in the Constitution. As stated before in this forum, States and lower government entities establish the legal requirements to insure that the parties have legal capacity to contract, STDs are not transmitted, that inheritances and estates are duly probated as necessary, that tax rates can be set, etc.

        And where, my reading comprehension-challenged friend, did I ever say that government has a right to define religious doctrine?

        BTW, your reference to the First Amendment is irrelevant. It simply prohibits Congress from making any law regarding an establishment of religion. IT DOES NOT prohibit the states from doing so.

    • Ted Crawford

      Average Joe
      Having read the Bible three times, or rather three different translations of it, ( King James, NIV, & New World) it’s clear that you are correct about the Bibical view of Homosexuality, it’s not acceptable. While I’m not a Christian, I’m a Diest, I gained the same view of tolerance as you express. Hate the sin, but love the sinner. A very difficult attitude to maintain at times, but highly laudable!
      However in your view that ” Marriage is for the Church to deciede not the Government ” , Because of many laws, perhaps on taxation and inheritance the most, we must, Ibelieve, have an official Governmental Defination of the term ” Marriage”!

      • Average Joe

        Ted Crawford,

        “Because of many laws, perhaps on taxation and inheritance the most, we must, Ibelieve, have an official Governmental Defination of the term ” Marriage”!”

        As for Taxation, again I agree With Ron Paul….none…what you work for and more onging taxes…for simply owning it (AKA property tax). Why should there be an inheritance tax? As for distribution of property inheritance a WILL has always worked in the past. If no will is present…a judge may decide. As for records proving Holy Matrimony, the church keeps records of marriages, Baptisms (many also keep birth and death records of their congregation) etc which can easily be presented as evidence to prove kinship.
        Since the official term is Holy Matrimony, I believe it is already defined as a union between two people before their creator and therefore is a religious ceremony conducted by the church (please take note that I didn’t specify any religion or church). For the government to define what marriage is, I believe would be a violation of the First Amendment,” the government shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion. Since Marriage is by definition a religious union…the government has no business establishing any “marriage” laws or definitions at all.

        Dearly beloved,

        We are gathered here today, in the presence of God

        and in the face of family and friends, to join together this man And this woman in

        Holy Matrimony, which is an honorable estate

        instituted of God, since the first man and the first woman

        walked on the earth. Therefore, it is not to be entered into

        unadvisedly, or lightly, but reverently and soberly.

        Into this Holy Estate there two persons present

        now come to be joined.

        If any of you can show just cause why they may not be Married, speak now, or else for ever hold your peace.

        Who gives this woman to be married today?
        (I do..Then the bride walks forward)

        I require and charge you both, here in the presence of God,

        That if you know any reason why you may not be united in Marriage lawfully, and in accordance with God’s Word,

        You do now confess it.

        LET US PRAY:

        Dear Lord, we ask your blessing for our bride and groom
        on this day of matrimony.

        We pray that the sacred commitments of this day will
        sustain them throughout their lives.

        May the love that binds them, be strong and lasting, and
        may their hearts be filled patience and understanding
        for one another.

        May they be blessed with health, courage, and good fortune,
        as their love and friendship deepens through the
        months and years of their lives.

        We pray that they find peace together.

      • Julie

        Ted, can you explain “Diest” to me? I realize I can look it up but I would like to hear it from someone who claims to be one. I am sincerely interested. Thank you.

      • Ted Crawford

        I can’t speak for everyone calling themselfs a Diest, but here, as far as I’m able to explain, is my belief system.
        Given many, many things in nature, IE The opposable thumb, the perfect placement of our planet with respect to our Sun and the other planets, the multitude of symbiotic relationships found in Nature, ETC., I must acknowledge the probability of some deliberate intelligent design entity. However after many years of study and searching I have failed to locate the Judeo Christian God depicted in the Bible!
        I find the Bible to be the single best self-help pschology book ever written! If we would even make a reasonable attempt to live the recommended lifestyle it lays out we would have no need of either a God or any Government. Human nature makes that impossible!

      • HH

        Ted, you won’t “find” that god without faith. “And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for whosoever would draw near to God must believe that He exists and that he rewards those who seek him” Hebrews 11:6
        You obviously have not found faith in your studies of the bible or you would have found the living God it teaches us about.

    • dufas magnet

      Obama may be a closet Muslim but unless he prays to Alla four times a day facing where ever the wind farts, then his ‘heritage’ is no more real than any other religion he claims.. Not one Muslim would accept him in their mold for that reason alone (of course, I’m sure they applaud his attempts toward this nation) but accepting him to share in their slave virgins after death? No way.. These virgins are true Muslim slaves. Now, read that last statement and chuckle like I did. Any idiot who believes that a creator will dole out virgins as slaves after we die is humanizing their alla.. It’s ludicrous!!

    • Average Joe

      “First of all, who ever said the 9th and 10th amendments give Government the right to define religious doctrine? Not I, oh ignorant one.”

      “State and local governments have every Constitutional right to be involved in establishing the legal requirements for marriage. Read the 9th and 10th Amendments, dude.”

      Does your brain know what your fingers do type?
      Holy Matrimony…why is it so hard for you to comprehend…that this is a Religious doctrine…and falls under the First Amendment?..Does not the Word “Holy” give you a clue as to it’s origin? Please tell me that you are not as inept as you appear to be.

      “I said, “state and local governments have every Constitutional right to be involved in establishing the legal requirements for marriage.” That is an impeccably correct statement and is beyond argument. The Constitution allows the states all powers not specifically denied them, nor those reserved for the Federal Government, period.”

      The problem lies within the First Amendment…which spells out quite clearly…that “no law shall be established”…it spells out a certain right…and tells the government…what it CAN”T DO. Once again, I will steer you towards State’s Constitutions…try reading those…as well as the US Constitution….try being …a bit more informed. Your view of the world must be quite…uneventful.

      Marriage is a religious institution..always has been…always will be. Marriage laws are simply “public policy” which is quite different than law.

      Do you have any idea why Marriage lic. were originally issued?

      “In the United States, until the mid-19th century, common-law marriages were recognized as valid, but thereafter some states began to invalidate common-law marriages. Common-law marriages, if recognized, are valid, notwithstanding the absence of a marriage license. The requirement for a marriage license was used as a mechanism to prohibit whites from marrying blacks, mulattos, Japanese, Chinese, Native Americans, Mongolians, Malays or Filipinos. By the 1920s, 38 states used the mechanism.”

      “The marriage laws and license requirements of many states originated from the ideas of eugenics.”

      Does that make you feel all warm and fuzzy?

      Some groups believe that the requirement to obtain a marriage license is unnecessary and/or immoral. The Libertarian Party, for instance, believes that all marriages should be civil, not requiring sanction from the state. Libertarians argue that marriage is a right, and that by allowing the state to exercise control over marriage, it is implied that we merely have privilege, not the right, to marry. As an example, those born in the US receive a birth certificate, not a birth license. Some Christian groups also argue that a marriage is a contract between two people and God, so no authorization from the state is required. In some US states, the state is cited as a party in the marriage contract which is seen by some as an infringement.

      Marriage licenses have also been the subject of controversy for affected minority groups. Perhaps most notably, California’s Proposition 8 has been the subject of heavy criticism by advocates of same-sex marriage. including the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) community whose ability to marry is often limited by state regulations.

      So…it looks like all of those Government issued (and mandated) Marriage licenses…are really a superior way of doing things……
      Sleep little Prince…sleep…..

  • STP

    Mormon or Muslim is not the real issue. It’s the fact that Romney doesn’t deny being a Mormon. BO either denies everything, or lies about it. He was against gay marriage before he was for it, but he needs those votes, so now he’s for it. He said he was going to cut the deficit, but never really intended to do it. He said it was going to have the most transparent admin, but didn’t really mean it. It was unpatriotic and unamerican for GWB to raise the debt ceiling (with dem congress), but there is no ceiling as far as OB is concerned, just keep spending, and buy the votes. The man is a fraud, a huckster, flim-flam man, who has manipulated those around him all his life. He has no leadership skills nor experience as a leader, no business experience, no foreign relations experience, never had to work with a budget. Look at the hacks he has appointed. Total amateurs, and fakes. All of them.

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  • Gary J. Mallast

    How much is Mitt Hussein Romneycare proposing to expand U.S.aid to Al Qaeda, the Muslem Brotherhood, and Hamas so the Brass Hats can have an enemy to justify their over-the-top spending, cushy high-paying jobs, and killing and destroying?

    • Steve E

      A lot.

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  • slapjack

    Did anyone see that CNN had a hand in this report???????I’d rather believe what Freddie the Freeloader camping under the bridge has to say!!!!!!!!Lies deciet and deception is the new battle cry of the dumbocrats. Anything to keep their precious Commie Kenyan in office.

    • eddie47d

      Another round of slapstick from slapjack? No lies and deceit coming from the banksters whom the right is very fond and protective of? You know how those capitalist love to keep the economy in turmoil as long as the money flies their way. Once again no offense to true Libertarians.

  • 45caliber

    Rolley is right – Romney is for big government. But when the choice comes down to Romney or Oblama, I’m afraid that an argument that Romney is for big government isn’t going to buy votes for Oblama.

  • Raymond Carl Hardie

    Doc Sarvis you are definitely wrong and I agree with HH, A true Christian is someone who lives everyday of life with the Word-Of-God as absolutely paramount and compelling in how they reason, think, and act. Yes we make mistakes and don’t always measure up to the moral examples and teachings of Christ, but Thanks be to God that because of Jesus we can be forgiven and start anew every time we fail! Forgiveness is not a license to sin, it is a path to overcoming sin through renewal by what His Word teaches. Scripture plainly teaches all manner of sexual sin as corruptive and destructive. In this age of political correctness many think that a particular group of people are struggling for so-called human rights because of their sexual preference, however that cannot be the case since this particular issue is not about who they are, but it is about what they do! It is the same comparison with an adulterer, it is a choice by their own volition ” sexual preference”, It has nothing to do with any human rights , and many including the National Academy of Psychiatry have often placed this as a psychological trait . As for those who follow scripture we must strive to please God according to His instruction and that is for us to turn from anything destructive to ourselves. Whether it is lying,stealing,coveting, murder,sex outside of marriage (fornicating), adultery, homosexuality, bearing false witness, hatefulness, wrath,envy, strife, the list goes on.; but thanks be to God that we can be forgiven if we seek Christ and desire to turn away from anything that scripture says is sinful. No sin is greater than another, and regardless of what any of us have been driven into, Jesus is offering forgiveness and a way of better life. We must learn to love one another regardless of what we have done , and we must be willing to accept the Bible as the absolute authority for how we live.

    • Vigilant

      “No sin is greater than another.”

      Where do you get that propaganda? So if I lust in my heart over a woman, that’s the same as exterminating 6 million Jews? Get real.

      • HH

        In our eyes yes there is a difference but in God’s eyes sin is sin even in your scenario, the bible does say however that some will receive many stripes and some will receive few but all unrepentant sinners will be punished.

      • Vigilant

        I repeat, get real.

    • HH

      Thanks Raymond, well said.

  • D Stahl

    freedom junky, to all of you Paul suporters and other idealists running down Romney , WAKE UP, if anyone is actually influenced by your opinions you will be to blame for another four years of this muslim commie we have now ! The end of America .Think or we are finished.

    • Steve E

      I voted for RP in the primary. Since it appears that Romney will be the nominee, I will vote for him, but only because I am under coercion and duress.

      • Julie

        That’s great! Then don’t complain when we get 4 more years of the same!

      • Carl in SC

        Steve, I agree. As one who voted for the Constitution Party candidate in 2008 because I didn’t care for John McCain I will not vote Independent this year. I did vote for Ron Paul in our SC primary as did my brother in the FL primary, but we both feel it urgent that we vote in November for the candidate who will have best chance to unseat Obama. Yes, I realize he may be considered Obama Lite but if I vote for Ron Paul or another candidate in November it is not going to do any good. Folks, where we really need to put conservative and constitutional candidates is the House and Senate, people who will vote against big spending and deficits. Liberals, (Democrat, Republican, Independent) will vote for big spending as we’ve seen.

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  • Dave

    The best defense is a strong offense, im so sick of republicans having to build up the military because the dims tear it down. A vote for anyone but Romney is a vote for Obama and we can’t afford 4 more years of this idiot.

    • BigBadJohn

      Dave, As of 2012 the USA spend 900 billion per year on the military. It was 703 billion in 2008. Where do you get the idea that democrats cut military spending?

      900 billion PER YEAR, our deficit is 1.3 trillion. The military budget is 2/3 of the deficit.
      Which is more dangerous, cutting the military back to 2008 levels or bankruptcy of the USA??

      • Dave

        Sweat saves blood- When Carter was President, money was so tight, that units sat in the motor pool because there was not enough money for fuel beans and bullets for training let alone the lack of morale. Reagan came along and we could train train train and we had morale again. We ask men and women of our armed forces to fight our battles, we owe them to pay them well, arm them well and train them well. Anything else just makes more widows and orphans. Clinton came along and destroyed the human intelligence gathering capabilities and after knowing that bin laden was responsible for the 93 WTC bombing, the embassy bombings and the USS Cole, he refused to take out bin laden on several different occasions and even when he was handed him on a silver platter by Saudi Arabia. The main screw up that I see Bush doing was getting involved in nation building when we should have just flattened Iraq and Afghanistan and moved on. Obama has been an abortion as President and needs to go in November, in my view, Romney is the best chance for that, so he has my vote.

  • http://SouthernGirl Doubtful Avenger

    Can’t really disagree with what Rolley says. If Romney is elected, I hope he repeals Obamacare and cuts some really wasteful (and stupid) departments, such as Energy, Education, etc. But he likely won’t cut defense because he is in bed with the establishment and neo-con Republicans. I say go Ron – keep getting delegates (he has one 8 states I know of), abstain on the first ballot, and then let’s force some clear platform changes if they don’t want a fight. I know as much about defense and the military as anyone alive, and I can safely say – we don’t need a larger military, we can make cuts there, we can reduce obligations (like NATO) and transfer some of these burdens to other nations.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest DT

    Mr. Morris: Please stop what you are doing which is nothing more than divisive. I want my country back and that can’t and won’t happen with Obama. Ron Paul is not electable, and thus Romney (love him or hate him) is our only choice. You are dividing the people and we can’t have that or we get another 4 years of PO. Say what you will, but at least Romney loves our country. He doesn’t go around bad mouthing the USA. Do we have problems? Sure we do, but despite it all, we have been the greatest country the world has ever known.

  • Ted Crawford

    Have any of those calling for the reduction of our Military Forces, actually read Article 1 Section 8 of The Constitution? Nearly half (8 of 18) of the enumerated responsibilities of the Federal Government relate, either directly or indirectly to our National Defense. That would seem to be a strong mandate for our Military!

    • Average Joe

      “Nearly half (8 of 18) of the enumerated responsibilities of the Federal Government relate, either directly or indirectly to our National Defense. ”

      While there is no problem in having a good National Defense, problems arise when we are no longer acting in a Defense capacity…but rather are engaged in Empire building.
      We use our military as a means of enriching the coffers and power of the Elitists in DC and their special interest friends. What we are doing is wrong.
      We have a Military/Corporatist government who are using our tax dollars and our citizen’s lives to finacially enrich themselves and their friends. Our government causes problems in areas all over the world and then goes in on the pretext of promoting Demoracy….while setting up a regime sympathetic to western interests and proceed to steal that nations resources…and guess who gets those contracts to take those resources?
      With 70-80% of our troops overseas in other nations do you honestly think we have a very good defense stategy now? How can we have a defense…with a skeleton crew of military personel…on our own soil? Ron Paul has the right idea, bring the troops home….to defend our nation and it’s borders.
      IF the corporate interests want resources, they can hire their own armies to defeat a nation of their choosing (or die trying)..or they can learn how to trade with other nations…in an honest fashion…without having to occupy them. This is where you “warmongers” have gotten it completely wrong…they don’t hate us because we are free(?) and prosperous (?)…it is because we use military force and occupation of their home countries to obtain what we want…rather than to trade honestly with them. My God people…WAKE UP….You’ve been duped…for the sake of GREED and POWER…..
      This isn’t a Romney/Obama/ Bush/Clinton or Dem/ Repub issue…They have all been complicit of plundering our treasuries and mudering both foreign nationals…but Americans as well…STOP THE MADNESS!

      Ron Paul 2012!

      • ranger hall

        Nice Joe, To bad it falls on so many deaf People.

      • Ted Crawford

        I’m continualy amazed by peoples inability to understand the differences between the defensive strategies! The ..ah…I mean Noninterventionalist ( “A Rose By any other Name…”), Nation Building and a simply, and very effective Proactive Strategy, as praticed by our founders!
        The evidence that Dr. Pauls recommended strategy is a failure is all throughout history. It was only marginaly effect even in the Middle Ages, never effective in modern times. It clearly failed the French during WWII. A far more modern example can be found with the Tet Offensive of 1968 and the Siege of Khe Sanh, in both cases the military failed to deploy the proper patrol policies to disrupt the enemies ability to create the build-up of assets necessary for these action to be launched! I’m not talking from news releases. I was there during those times!
        The strategy of Nation Building, as praticed by pre WWII England is also an obvious failure!

      • Average Joe

        Ted Crawford ,
        So, what you are telling us…is that you amaze yourself?I can think of nothing else you could be doing.
        I realize that everything in my post…went “Zing” as it sailed past your head at the speed of light…but maybe you need to go back and re read what I said. Military/ Corporatists are running the show…for personal gain.
        May I suggest that you read “Confessions of an Economic Hitman” or possibly “Hoodwinked” by John perkins in order to get a little background into what has been going on….and folks like you foolishly…condone the practice. Education is a wonderful thing…get some. Learn how the real world works…before commenting on how it works…or in your case…how it doesn’t work……
        While it is noble that you have such a high opinion of your cranial capacity…it would better to fill that space with knowledge…rather than hot air…. and fertilizer.

      • Ted Crawford

        I’m saddened, but not surprized, by your post. I naively believed I had, at last, found a supporter of Dr. Paul that was willing to engage in debate, without the need for insults and namecalling. Oh well so be it!
        I attempted to give you real world examples to support my positions, you, on the otherhand give me references to other people writings. Are you aware that Karl Marx, Adolph Hitler, Saul Alinsky, Richard Cloward, ETC. also wrote books? If one were to read them, lacking real world experiences, they seem plausable, even desireable. It’s only in the light of empirical knowledge that their flaws become apparent! I didn’t miss what you said I simply know it to be flawed!

      • Average Joe

        Ted Crawford,
        The point …that you missed…is finding out why we are doing …what we are doing…around the world…and it has nothing…I repeat…It has nothing… to do with the defense of our nation…nada…zip …nothing.
        It has to do with certain classes of people who manipulate politics in order to enrich themselves…at our expense…and you don’t get it.
        There are groups of folks..that pay people to go into countries, stir up trouble…so that the US military gets involved. Now, using our military forces and our tax dollars we occupy their country..install a regime that suits us and then assign lucrative contracts to special friends to start removing that country’s resources…and everyone in DC and all of their friends and butt kissers get wealthy…and we pay the bill and send our friends and neighbors off to be maimed or killed…for the sake of a few Rich and Politically connected folks…in DC…who are scared to death of Dr. Paul being elected…because he will end their gravy train.
        Has all of this war over the last…say 65 years…actually benefitted America in any way? JFK, during his term, managed to avoid a war with Russia (one of the volatile periods in recent history) on 3 separate occassions…using diplomacy. JFK..wanted to pull out of Viet Nam because he felt it wasn’t in America’s best interest to be involved further. But hey, when the Military/Corporate interests want to make some money..bang…yer outta here.Enter LBJ….Ok, so he lied about the second Gulf of Tonkin “incident” as a pretense to declare a “police action” and get 57,000 US citizens killed….and and 10s of thousands more wounded…no biggie right?
        We …or should I say “you” are being duped….because you refuse to believe…that these wars and claims of wars…are being fought for puposes other than honorable. They are all fought…. for the enrichment of a select group of folks…. who consider themselves to be entitled to our servitude and blind obediance…now run along and die for us….and claim you were being “Patriotic”….You’ll get a nice funeral..and we’ll make a bundle….see…everybody’s happy.
        I still advise the read, but that’s up to you…read or don’t….is no my problem….

  • http://None Mike C

    People please… Military spending is even an issue?


    Take a look at the 2010 Federal Budget as an example: (source wikipedia)

    Medicaid/Medicare = $743 Billion
    Social Security = $695 Billion
    DoD/War = $663 Billion
    Unemployment/Welfare = $571 Billion
    Agencies/Interest/Misc = $879 Billion

    People are talking about the military? You have to be kidding????

    Under Obama you’ll get War and Welfare
    Under Romney you’ll get War and Work

    Liberals who bleed heart over the Bush wars? Professional Thieves

    • Carl in SC

      While you might consider Social Security and Medicare to be “entitlements” I must say that these are benefits, if you can call them that, that we paid into for decades before our retirement. We may get less in Social Security as we’re nearing age 70 that some much younger people on Welfare, SNAP, AFDC and subsidized housing. Thankfully we don’t depend on SS alone. As for MEDICARE we have no choice as our private insurance became a supplemental only. So Social Security and Medicare are the real entitlements in your list since we paid into them. Our Social Security COLA was frozen for 2 years while congress got generous benefits. The other things you listed are items to be cut.

  • ranger hall

    Well i can see with the people on this site That our Country is still going down hill, Romney or Obama very little will change, Only changes will be the Rich get Richer and the Poor get Poorer, And you people will still be bitiching for the next 4 years. Sheep just following the Bell.
    We need NEW good Honest People in Office That care about this Country and its People.And get rid of these self centered get Richer People that are still in office, To do this People have to get off there dead asses and get the job done.
    Soon all the People on Govt wages will be Govt conforming robots, and will be used againest the American People, Americans againest Americans, Govt with the best Weapons in the World and the People Unarmed, Makes you wonder how this war will turn Out, But at lest we will Know this Was for our Freedom.
    Vietnam,Granada,Panama,Iraq,Afganistan,Bosnia,Africa,Lebanon, And many other Places AND not once was i fighting for OUR freedom. Now maybe i will get that chance.At lest it will be for MY Country.

  • Carl in SC

    Ranger, I voted for Ron Paul in our primary although I was for Herman Cain at first. Yet Ron Paul is so far back in delegate count that he won’t be the nominee and to vote for him as a write-in candidate will do no good. I agree that Romney is not a good choice but, let’s face it, he’s the best chance we have to beat Barack. Otherwise we’ll be stuck with BHO another 4 years and he’ll be free in a 2nd term to wreak more havoc upon our republic. Let’s concentrate on getting fiscally conservative (that means frugal) people into congress to help roll back the spending, deficit, debt. Congress is where spending is approved or not approved despite a president’s wishes.

  • ron

    anythings better than obama…i dont care.give it up dude..ron paul isnt going to win..hes not going anywhere..anti romney is pro obama..screw that

    • BigBadJohn

      Same thing I said in 2000 – anything was better than Gore. Boy was I wrong!

  • ChuckL

    AS Californians had when the choice was Brown or Nixon. Brown did not count. It was a for or against Nixon.

    We have the same choices in the upcoming presidential election, if there is one. For Obama’s continued dissolution of the United States, or for the continued existence of the United States. The choices have a different label, but it is a relatively easy choice.

    Obama: Destroy the United States
    Romney: Save the United States

    The upcoming presidential election is not about choosing a president of the United States. It is a FOR or AGAINST vote on the continuance of the United States.

    I shall vote FOR even though I would much prefer someone other than Romney, as the FOR, but I shall not vote to destroy my country as a vote for obama translates.

    • Average Joe

      “The choices have a different label, but it is a relatively easy choice.
      Obama: Destroy the United States
      Romney: Save the United States”

      One too many ‘Ludes?

      The choice seems quite easy for most of us.
      Do you enjoy paying high taxes?
      Do you love the police state that America is becoming?
      Are you happy with never ending wars?
      Do you revel in the fact that the Federal Reserve devalues your money …every time the start up the printing presses (digital now, but you get the idea)…by producing money out of thin air…with nothing backing it….other than your hard work and tax dollars?
      Do you feel rightious when you pass the debt of your generation on…to your children and grand children ( because your government can’t stop borrowing and spending)?
      If so, by all means…
      vote for Romney.


      Do you support personal freedom?
      Do you treasure liberty?
      Do you love sound currency?
      Do you wish for smaller, less intrusive government ?
      Lower taxes?
      Do you want to leave a better America for your children and grand children than has been left for you?
      If your answer is yes…
      Ron Paul is the clear choice.

      Romney=Obama…..the only difference…is the tan lines…period.

      I’m voting for Ron Paul 2012 and I approved this message.

  • Jay
    • Average Joe

      Nice link…it’s a shame more folks don’t read or watch the links provided on this site…many are so helpful and informative. Unfortunately…many people don’t even read the links provided by the authors and then go off about “it’s all lies,where’s your proof?” D’OH…and they seem to do it on a regular basis….and usually the same group of individuals…over and over….
      Again, thanks for the link!

  • Wildey

    Romney’s a profiteer when it comes to the M&TIC, Military & Terror Industrial Complex. The M&TIC is the force coupled with a professional military is the source behind America’s road to Empire. It spends more than the rest of the world combined forcing America’s demands on the world. It finances the acceptance of the counterfeit dollar on everybody. It finances the changes in geography and leaders to America’s satisfaction. John Locke said…”The difference between a King and Tyrant consists only in this, The King makes the good of the people his aim and purpose while a Tyrant makes all give into his will and appetite. Romney, like Obama is a tyrant. No matter which one is elected the outcome for Americans is the same, unless they’re enlightened, and fast. There is a wall between the people and “the” government, figuratively and actually. The only candidate that is a potenial king is Ron Paul and it appears the people want a tyrant, whether they know it or not.


      I agree with your comments a latest survey made reveal 58% of Americans believe the economy will improve within one year, they are dreaming all will be well within one year, the little they know it is not going to happen. In my book I wrote a chapter Titled ‘’ No recovery for the western world in the horizon’’ Now please accept one fact both political parties serve special interest group only. It is that group that funds their political campaign. The world has changed the west has lost their monopoly in manufacturing, any product that was made in the west in the past is now being made in the factory of the world namely; China. Either of the political candidates Obama or Romney will not cause the US to recover.
      There is one guy I favor but he is not running this man creates business that employs thousands of Americans; he has more common sense than all of the present candidates running for President. This great American is Ross Perrot.
      Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’ Available at:

      • Brad

        I Agree with you Joseph if Ross Parot had won when he ran we most likely would not be in the shape we are in now.

  • rolledupsleeves

    versus I love HUMONGOUS government. Let Rand Paul run; I’ll give him my vote.

    BTW, it was military spending before WWII that ended the depression.


      You have made a correct analysis but unfortunately the majority of Americans are duped by propaganda. They told us if Vietnam falls all of south East Asia will become communist that did not happen. The military Generals kept telling LBJ send more troops he kept sending, in the end it was the good people that brought an end to the Vietnam fiasco. Now Afghanistan the British were there before the Russians they left, then the Russians and they left, Obama was told send more troops and he has done just that, now the French has decided to leave this year, in time other European countries will follow the French advise. You have in Afghanistan 67 tribes that are in conflict with each other the people are living in an era of the 17th century. Here is how that war could be won allocate 5 trillion dollars by taking bread from the tables of Americans, and sent one million troops perhaps with this approach we may win, rebuild the country and support all of the Afghans while our own people go on living on food stamps. Some of our politicians were advocating war number three Iran, that rhetoric has now cooled down. The military Industrial establishments are mad as hell as to the end of the cold war, we are now searching the globe for enemies. If we are unable to find one we shall create one.
      Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’

  • AJ

    Ron Paul may not have a chance of winning but I’m writing in his name. I wouldn’t vote for another media propaganda touted canditade ever again. So Romney go far far away. As far as Obama he’s already slated to win by the elite. Because after four more years of him we’ll gladly let Jeb Bush put the noose around our necks and lead us into the NWO.

    • Average Joe

      As will I, my friend. I cannot in good conscience vote for anyone that does not hold my morals or convitions.
      Ron Paul 2012!

  • boyscout

    Waste my vote on Paul ?!!! Or waste my vote on Romski,- cuz Obummer is pretty much a shoe-in as the arrangements are being made. Duh, a vote for Paul will at least send out the message of dissatisfaction and at best satisfy myself with the knowledge that I voted for the right man. Boy o boy, sometimes Republocrats just gabberflast me !

    • Dave

      And Ron Paul claims to be a republocrat by the (R) behind his name. A vote for anyone other than Romney, is a vote for obami

      • HH

        That’s just a name Dave! Romney WAS a democrat, what changed his mind? I feel that Ron Paul is our only hope to save this country, Obummer will continue to spend if he wins and if Romoney wins he will just pickup where Barry Hwossain Obummer he leaves off and keep spending! If all you folks that “would” vote for RP, but say that would be a vote for Barry, would go ahead and vote for Paul HE WOULD WIN!!! Don’t be brainwashed by the media………… There is still time, let’s get this message out, if you love this country VOTE RP!!!

        • Julie

          Thank you HH! Is that so hard to understand people?

          • Carl in SC

            I ask where were all the Ron Paul supporters during the primaries in which he came out in last place or near the last place? He’s won several small caucuses and primaries but, even if he were to be awarded the delegates of all the other candidates except Romney he would still not have the necessary count. Ron Paul may be able to get some concessions made at the convention and that is it. Julie and HH, it would have been good if Ron Paul had been the top guy but he didn’t. I now have the choice, just as you, to vote for Paul in November or another candidate or just not vote in the presidential race. I also could vote for Romney. You make your choice and I’ll make mine no matter how big an idiot or fool you think me to be. And I said in an earlier post that it is important that we vote for conservative/constutionalist candidates for the House and Senate to help control our runaway government and the powers of the president.

        • Dave

          Not on your life will I vote for RP, HE CAN’T WIN! A vote for RP is a vote for Obama. Romney will be the Republican nominee, if Paul were the nominee, then he would have my vote. The most important thing right now is to get rid of Obama in November!

  • David A Deal

    It baffles the mind when these articles try to connect Obama and Bush as war mongers. Obama has patiently eased us out of Iraq and now Afghanastan. We NEED to reduce military spending period. It has drained our coffers and we now spend 31% of our money on military related expenditures including rising veteran benefits and health care for the 1o’s of thousands of walking wounded. Reducing our ridiculous military costs and restoring adequate tax rates to those who have the majority of wealth will go a long way to dealing with our debt. If we can do these 2 things quickly and with bipartisonship then we would have a climate to work together to make common sense trimming of other budget issues without throwing the poor under the bus. The Rethugs NEED to quit acting like children who don’t want to share their toys and quit acting morally superior (it is JUST an act, because stripping or denying rights of women, gays, minorities and forcing church doctrine into law is NOT moral)

    • Brad

      war on women you are delusional, ask any women if she is worried about social issues and she will tell you she is concerned about the economy. Liberals, IDIOTOS!!


      You make some valid points but here is my take as to Obama mistakes, The Generals asked for more troops he send more, like LBJ he was asked send more then again send more. Finally the good people of America ended that war by demonstration. On the Hugh military budget and the issue of America being the police man of the world Obama has been silent. That role in time will bankrupt the USA.
      The French are getting out of Afghanistan this year they may be followed by other European countries as they begin to pull out from a useless war.
      I deplore any attack on a person because he is black, or yellow we are all humans. Discrimination is an act of evil as it applies to race or national origin.
      The era of white supremacy is coming to an end, wealth and technology is now moving to the East, the American empire is coming to an end as many Empires for that last 1000 years or longer. China will become the next mightiest empire. In my book I wrote a chapter Titled, ‘The China Story’’ Before completing this chapter I went to China on a fact finding mission what I saw will stagger the imagination. These people that went to sleep for 4000 years and build the great wall have risen. Joseph Foster, Author ‘’Seeing Red’’ ‘How America is losing the future’

  • Wildey

    The M&TIC Military & Terror industrial complex budget around 3/4 of a trillion each year. In 1987 America’s debt reached 1 trillion for the first time in 200 years. It is a business who’s success is wars, terror and lots of them. It must do everything possible to expand the killing of people and breaking of things. Peace is bad business to the M&TIC. It’s accomplice in business is the U.S. Government. The government uses it to retain the position of power it has as the worlds lone super power.

    With America being in Chapter 7 bankruptcy, the M&TIC cannot fail. It can only grow. Romney is part of the business and part of the government, just the man we need as President.


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