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Rocked By Scandals, Republicans Fall Behind Democrats In Fundraising Efforts

April 13, 2010 by  

Rocked by scandals, Republicans fall behind Democrats in fundraising efforts Even though the Republican Party raised more money than the Democrats in February, the pattern seemed to reverse in March, leading some to wonder if this situation had anything to do with the recent scandals that rocked the GOP.

As the primary election season gets under way, the Democratic National Committee (DNC) raised at least $13 million last month, while the Republican National Committee’s (RNC) total was $11.4 million, according to media reports.

The figures were revealed at a time the Republican leadership was trying to recover from allegations that RNC Chairman Michael Steele spent thousands of dollars on private jets and that a mid-level RNC official charged nearly $2,000 at a lesbian strip club in California.

Still, the chairman chose to look on the bright side, noting the March haul was among the best on record for the GOP, and was "a testament of America’s opposition to the Democrats’ government-run healthcare legislation."

Meanwhile, Democratic leaders have used the March numbers to argue that supporters of the reform were more generous than its opponents, according to Market Watch.
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  • s c

    Maybe the ‘Republicans’ made enough people mad that donations don’t seem like a good idea. In the case of Steele, once could say that it’s not a good idea for a ‘Republican’ to act like a Democrat.
    Assuming that no one put a gun to Steele’s head and told him to act like a Democrat ‘or else,’ maybe he can explain himself. In the interim, Steele and the rest of the airheads at the RNC need a healthy dose of reality (and a slap or two in the face).
    They’ve taken us for granted for way too long. I can live with the idea of lighting a fire under these twits so they’ll take a stand or do a ‘MacArthur’ and just fade away. Act like a Democrat, and get treated like one.
    As a last resort, if he’s having a problem focusing, let Steele become a Democrat. He’d have access to easy money, and he could act like a community organizer one day and someone who cares about America the next day.

    • denniso

      I’m bemused by your twisted logic that states that Steele ‘acted like a Democrat’…sure,blame the Dems for the Repub scandals. I’m enjoying watching the increasingly radical Repub party self destruct and devour one another at a time when they’re so sure they have the advantage in Nov…keep it up you hypocritical phonies…

    • http://yahoo ellodeb

      You’re right s c Steele was just acting like everyone else in the fed. gov. He has admitted to doing the wrong thing, he should step aside and let someone who will do the right thing step up. We will see, personally I’ve been hoping that Steele would be better than the norm.

    • Ken

      Why should we care if Steele spends thousands on plain trips while nobody seems to mind when the wicked witch of the west (Pelosi) spends millions of tax payer dollars flying home in her new jet. What hypocrites!!!

  • American Liberal

    The Republicans are just being themselves….hypocrites…same with the Tea Baggers.. Most of the country knows their Morality and Christianity is an act…

    • EltonJ

      Yes, American Liberal, we know you’re a tea-bagger.

      • Raggs

        Yeah and kool-aid drinker…

        • denniso

          The Repubs will be surprised in Nov when they don’t take over congress. They are over reaching,w/ the help of the extremists in the party, and the leaders are afraid to rein them in. As the ‘tea party’ zealots and the more wacko Repubs go more extreme, the independents and moderates are being scared off and will stay away from the party.
          The talk of armed revolution and violence against some Dems will only ensure the Repubs fail.

          • zack

            denniso, hell man the biggest part of the ones that are upset are the democrats. They think obama is an idiot also.

            Man I am a registered democrat myself, my whole family, everyone in my Church, all the democrats I have talked to says get that idiot out of the Whitehouse before he gets us all nuked.

          • zack

            All the demos. I have talked to are going to vote them all out. The democrats don’t have a chance in November. Open your eyes, and clean out your ears, and you will see.

    • JeffH

      Polly want a cracker? baaarrraaaccckkk!

      • coal miner

        Jeffh,

        Yes,you can have food stamps.

  • http://victorbarney@embarqmail.com Victor L Barney

    I think that all is “stuff” is all part of the Marxist(Anti-Messiah) strategy to destroy the economy! We get a politically-correct Marxist, Black President, who was able to win by the white women vote, says statistics! If anyone has walked down any street in America, it’s obvious that the people who got the vote at the same time(1912) with the advent of Marxism to intellectual circles have been working overtime to destroy the “real” Israel(Judah is not Israel), intentionally or intentionally! No matter the the Bible commanded Israel in Deuteronomy 17:15 not to put a “foreigner”(non-Israelite) over them as ruler! Nothing has changed since the Garden of Eden has it? Soon will rise Yahweh’s(The inspired Biblical language is “Hebrew” by the way(Acts 26:14 & Zeph. 3:9)and not about Zeus!)two-witnesses come to punish Israel and call out the set-apart ones to be saved from the 2nd Inquisition in the latter days! Watch!

    • EltonJ

      I really think that the Republicans are in the same boat as the Democrats, although you see it in the Democrats more. The two parties are headed towards meltdown.

      I think you’ll see two new parties when the mess is over: A conservative party and a progressive party. Although the two parties are so much alike you can’t tell the difference between the two. GF said that she’d was ready to move to Canada if McCain got into office. I’d really should have followed her inclination this year. :p

      Obama promised change. It’s just politics. As usual.

      • denniso

        Obama is hardly politics as usual…if he was there wouldn’t be the backlash and outrage from the Repubs. He managed to get a healthcare bill passed after 100 yrs of others trying…hardly politics as usual.

        • EltonJ

          Well, if we vote for another Pathological Prevaricator as our next president, I’m going to scream. We don’t need some one as pathologically prevaricating as our current pres.

    • American Liberal

      Victor… I’m no more impressed with your Bible fantasys than I am with Harry Potter…. Both deal in fiction and fantasy…

      • JeffH

        Conservative interests know that Liberals are most adept at breaking their own necks with their tongues.

  • cella

    Wow. It does not take long to listen to Victoria and figure out she is a Fox watcher. Marxist, Black President. Grow up. sonnythomas.com If this teabagger is your cup of tea, women are being taken back years. Funny, not many comments here. Loss for words. Check out his web page. He represents what is wrong with this country.

    • http://yahoo ellodeb

      Hey cellalalala you speaka silly.

    • JeffH

      Been there, done that, not impressed with your grasping at straws. Pretty weak try on your part.

  • James

    Any congressman who has mis-used his office for personal gain or pleasure, should be voted out. When in doubt, vote ‘em out!

    • http://yahoo ellodeb

      James you are right.

  • Carol

    I believe the reason the RNC isn’t seeing the donations is because they are trying to shove rhino candidates down our throat. I hear more and more people saying that they have quit giving to the RNC and are now giving to the conservative candidate of their choice.

    • momof4

      Carol,
      True,that is what we have been doing. I can’t stand to see my money going to RHINOS. So we just support rock solid conservatives.

      • http://?? Joe H.

        momof4,
        I’m holding on to my donations till I see if Duncan Hunter runs. If not, I’ll vote for the most conservative of the two!!! If Obummer runs we know what party that will be!!!

  • BigBadJohn

    Maybe people are just waking up?

    From the Guardian, a British newspaper -

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/apr/11/us-right-republicans-obama-fraternity

    The Republicans are like frat boys in Animal House
    Reckless, anarchic and strident, the American right is living in a parallel world where fear and rage drive out the facts

    Sunday 11 April 2010

    In the classic teen movie Animal House there comes a moment when the ne’er-do-well students of the Delta fraternity finally realize their pranks have gone too far. Faced with expulsion from university, the most violent, antisocial drunkard of the group, Bluto Blutarsky (John Belushi), gives one last rousing, rambling speech to his crestfallen comrades. “Nothing is over until we decide it is,” he yells. “Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell, no!”

    The other students look on confused. Bluto leads a charge but nobody follows. However, they soon fall in line after the fraternity’s leader, the far more respectable, presentable, all-round-cad, Otter (Tim Matheson), backs Bluto’s call to arms against the university authorities. “Bluto’s right,” he says. “Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards … I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody’s part.”

    The Republican party, in particular, and American conservatism in general, have taken to operating in a similar manner to the Delta fraternity – increasingly reckless, anarchic and strident. Faced with defeat they respond with desperation. Only where the Deltas were motivated by ribaldry, conservatives are driven by rage.

    On the one hand there are the Blutos – characterized by their contempt for even the most basic facts. Their assertions are often not only verifiably false but patently ridiculous. The very people who claim that Obama is a Muslim were the ones who fumed about his relationship with Reverend Jeremiah Wright, his pastor in Chicago. Muslims don’t have pastors. Last year the Investor’s Business Daily claimed that if the renowned scientist Stephen Hawking were British he would be dead: Hawking is British and alive.

    These falsehoods are not limited to the fringes. A recent Harris poll reveals that a majority of Republicans believe Obama is a Muslim and a socialist who “wants to turn over the sovereignty of the United States to a one-world government”. A Daily Kos poll in January showed that about two-thirds of Republicans either believe or are not sure that Obama is “a racist who hates white people”, and more than half believe or are not sure that he was not born in the US and that he wants the terrorists to win.

    So long as these people breathe the ever more fetid air of their own ecosystem – oxygen provided by Fox News – then these contradictions are of little concern or consequence to them. Cognitive dissonance is not the exception but the rule. But there is menace in this madness. A few weeks ago, shortly before the passing of the healthcare vote, conservative blogger Solomon Forell tweeted: “We’ll surely get over a bullet 2 Barack Obama’s head!” He added: “The Next American with a Clear Shot should drop Obama like a bad habit. 4get Blacks or his claim to be Black. Turn on Barack Obama.” Last week a man was detained for issuing death threats to Democratic senator Patty Murray. Speaking in Phoenix on a Tea Party tour, Joe the Plumber, recently spelt out his plan for dealing with illegal immigration: “Put a fence in and start shooting.”

    So much for the Blutos. Far from reining them in, the Republican leadership increasingly reflects their excesses. Absent any legislative agenda or coherent ideological approach, they have spent the last two years crafting “a really futile and stupid gesture … on somebody’s part” that Otter would be proud of. Small government is a legitimate philosophical and political position. But in the hands of people who voted to bloat the deficit and unleash a huge state-grab of civil liberties, it is shorn of credibility. It isn’t government they don’t like; it’s Democrats in government.

    So congressmen scream “liar” at the president and “baby killer” at their colleagues; senators repeat myths about death panels; and legislators stoke up crowds from the balconies during the healthcare debate. On Friday at the Southern Republican Leadership conference, Sarah Palin repeated her slogan: “Don’t Retreat, Reload.” This time she insisted it was “not a call for violence”. The fact she would have to make that explicit tells us something about how dire things have become.

    The potential for this kind of rhetoric to produce an unthinkable calamity should not be underestimated. Last year a Homeland Security report, Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fuelling Resurgence in Radicalisation and Recruitment, concluded: “The economic downturn and the election of the first African-American president present unique drivers for rightwing radicalisation and recruitment.”

    Such people are on the fringes. But those fringes are growing. In any case, it only takes one angry person with a gun to make the difference. If such a person were to emerge, they would not be acting alone. Thousands of others, from the blogosphere to Congress, have colluded in creating an alternative reality that would explain, if not justify, their actions. After all, if Obama truly were a foreign-born, white-hating, terrorist sympathiser who has usurped the presidency, drastic action would make sense.

    Meanwhile, the brazen disregard for basic facts goes all the way to the top. The 2008 presidential contender John McCain recently insisted he never considered himself a “maverick”, even though one of his books is subtitled The Education of an American Maverick, and he called himself “the original maverick” in campaign ads. It used to be assumed this was the tail wagging the dog. But by increments it is turning into an entirely new breed of dog. Establishment Republicans are not running away from Palin’s wing of the party but towards it. McCain needed her endorsement to fight off a Tea Party challenge in Arizona.

    This trend is not new. Ever since the Republican election rallies of 2008, where Obama’s name provoked screams of “traitor” and “terrorist”, this dialectic between leadership and base, margins and mainstream, populist reaction and legislative response, has been all too evident. Far from subsiding, the contradictions have sharpened.

    Whereas in 2008 McCain grabbed the microphone from an audience member’s hand and corrected her after she said she didn’t trust Obama “because he’s an Arab”, the metaphorical mic has now been returned to her and she has been ushered to centre stage.

    Having pitted fear against hope and lost, the Republican leadership has come up with no better alternative than to keep doubling down on fear. None of this puts food on Blutos’ tables, but it does keep them angry. For those who peddle in rumour and angst, this is a lucrative market indeed. In a world where facts don’t matter, their fears can never truly be assuaged.

    Quite how reality will intrude into this parallel universe is as of yet unclear. But it will. Now that healthcare legislation has been passed, people will see that the state does not kill their grandmothers and most Republican voters will see their healthcare costs fall. This week there will be an anti-tax rally – most of the protesters on it will actually see their taxes lowered by the Obama administration.

    And how would the Republican party explain to most of its supporters that while their living standards stagnated or declined under George Bush they are set to improve under Obama?

    As Otter explained to one of the fraternity after trashing his brother’s car: “You f***ed up … you trusted us!”

    • tedcrawford

      tiny little john: You progressive plants can rant all you want, our minds will not be changed by any of your alinsky tactics!!

      • American Liberal

        Ted, i’m not here to change your mind…first , you’d need a mind to change …and second… I’m just here to make sure you can’t just sit here and lie to eachother allday….. the only thing you need to know is that are a lot of us out here that understand how corrupted your thinking is…. Wheather your minds changed or not isn’t the issue and I’m aware it’s not gonna happen… But you are gonna listen to the otherside.. Like it or not..and you aren’t going to win…this country couldn’t survive another Neo Conservative facist goverment like we had during Bushs presidency

        • http://na doctor

          american liberal
          wake up take a breath get back on your meds call your doctor to help you get your head out of your ass

        • Mexa Cana

          Americana Liberala, You talka trasha.. Youra heada emptya ofa braina…..HeHeHeHe Hands a Clapping LMAO Youa wastea ofa gooda aira

      • zack

        (words removed for offensive content)
        If obama was not a MUSLIM why does he go to MOSQUE and get down on his hands and knees,and bounce his head up and down off the floor::

        (words removed for offensive content)

    • http://yahoo ellodeb

      Dear BigBadJohn, How dare you make me laugh when I’m trying to be serious!!!!! LOL Thank you

  • Raggs

    This is nothing less than the dumbocraps spewing hatred to the tea-party and republicans in an attempt to put themselves in the spot light…

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/pediatric-patients-with-chronic-pain-look-to-acupuncture-19609231/ James A Graham

    George Soros, Open Society, Shadow Party
    2008 Market Crash Should be Investigated
    By Jeff Lukens Wednesday, April 7, 2010

    Almost two years after the mortgage crisis and stock market crash, no one seems to wonder about the “September surprise” that shifted the 2008 presidential election to an unknown leftist politician who had been elected to the Senate only two years before. A pulp-fiction writer could hardly have created a more contrived and bizarre story. But this was not make-believe. No, it is now our own gritty reality show that we only wish we could turn off.

    The week of Sept. 15, 2008, was a debacle of huge proportions. On Monday, Lehman Brothers filed for bankruptcy while other lending institutions lined up like dominoes teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. But the week was hardly over. On Thursday, an electronic run on the banks occurred. In an unprecedented move, the Treasury and the Federal Reserve had to act together to stop what had become a full-fledged panic. On Saturday, Sept. 20, The Wall Street Journal recounted events of that previous Thursday:

    “Instead of lining up at bank windows, investors were unloading financial assets on their PCs. Credit markets had seized up, to the point that even routine daily settlements had stopped until banks had the actual securities or cash in hand.”

    “Investors were rushing out of these [Treasury and Federal Reserve] funds—$105 billion out of $1.8 trillion on Thursday alone—which in turn caused the funds to redeem their commercial paper investments.”

    “Issuers of that paper then had to find new funders, which in a pinch are banks. But jittery banks were refusing to accept paper from even worthy companies amid the panic, creating a larger credit breakdown. In response, Treasury will now insure nonbank money-market fund deposits for the next year, to slow money-fund redemptions.”

    For such a large and coordinated exodus of funds to occur in U.S. markets, something more than individual “investors” at their PCs had to be in play. Large and well-managed hedge and mutual funds were undoubtedly behind much of the move.

    A few months later on a C-Span interview, Rep. Paul Kanjorski, House Capital Markets Subcommittee Chair, described that day:

    “On Thursday at about 11 o’clock in the morning the Federal Reserve noticed a tremendous drawdown of money market accounts in the United States , to the tune of $550 billion was being drawn out in a matter of an hour or two. The Treasury opened up its window to help. It pumped $105 billion in the system and quickly realized that they could not stem the tide; we were having an electronic run on the banks. They decided to close the operation, close down the money accounts and announce a guarantee of $250,000 per account so there wouldn’t be further panic out there.”

    The $550 Billion withdrawn in an hour or two that Rep. Kanjorski refers to in his statement has never been independently confirmed or refuted.

    In mid-September, John McCain was ahead of Barack Obama in some polls by about 3 percent. By Oct. 10, the S&P 500 Index had lost 25% of its value from what it had been a month before. The crash was a major calamity for the McCain Campaign. And now, with Obama in the White House, it has become a calamity for us all.

    The fact remains that the identities of those who withdrew their money that week were never disclosed. And, knowingly or not, they created a panic that altered the course of the election. One can only wonder whether something more than normal market forces was at work.

    Courtesy of Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, the crisis came about by the uncertain value of subprime securities held by Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, banks, saving and loans, and other lending institutions. A declining market in itself is not noteworthy, but to induce a panic in the midst of a presidential campaign, if ever proven, would be reprehensible and an outrage to the American electorate.

    While the stock market collapse was a disaster for your average IRA or 401(k) account, some investors benefited handsomely. It is widely agreed that hedge funds profited by selling short the collapsing market in 2008, and chief among them was George Soros’ hedge fund. Soros may have personally had the motivation, method, and opportunity to trigger the crash.

    Soros’ overseas-based hedge fund evades much scrutiny, and its activities that week left almost no trail. Could Soros and his hedge fund be behind many of the withdrawals of that week, and particularly on that Thursday? We need to know. The massive outflow of U.S. funds to offshore accounts that critical week during the campaign could be a coincidence, but it is doubtful.

    George Soros is a multi-billionaire answerable to no one. Hastening a market meltdown to give the election to Barack Obama would fit his pattern of profiting while destroying the social order of his target country. Triggering a crash in 2008 would also serve his political investments.

    Soros is obsessed with power. He wants a One World Government, redistribution of wealth, open borders, and universal health care. He is determined to change America forever by deconstructing its sovereignty and ability to defend itself. Soros was a huge backer of Barack Obama, and now his anointed president is determined to change America to their mutual view.

    Soros made his fortune by short selling currencies and then pouring substantial amounts of his private wealth into organizations to subvert various nations. He nearly bankrupted the Bank of England by shorting the pound in 1992. He wrecked the Malaysian economy in 1998, and subsequently that of Indonesia as well. He is responsible for stirring-up instability in Africa, the Balkans, Eastern Europe , and the former Soviet republics.

    Over the years, Soros has positioned himself to take control of the Democrat Party through the hundreds of 527 organizations he has helped financed. These organizations have become a “Shadow Party” unto themselves, and manipulate public opinion for their own end.

    Among them: the National Education Association, ACORN, AFL-CIO, American Federation of Teachers, The Media Fund, the Open Society Institute, Planned Parenthood League, the Sierra Club, America Coming Together, the Huffington Post, Moveon.org. If a left-wing organization is in the news, it has probably received money from George Soros.

    Why have the identities never been reported of those who withdrew funds that week? Shouldn’t there be even some curiosity about an event that wiped out the jobs and life savings of so many people? And why has there been no follow-up inquiry by into Rep. Kanjorski’s statement? There needs to be a public investigation concerning the amounts and offshore destinations of the funds withdrawn from U.S. markets that precipitated the crash.

    Did an unwritten partnership exist between George Soros and Barack Obama? Could Soros, through Obama, be seeking a “velvet revolution” in the dismantling of our nation as he has done elsewhere? These questions need further investigation. With the Alinskyite tactics employed by Team Obama, none of this is beyond the realm of possibility.

    Americans recoil at the thought of having their elections manipulated by outsiders. As long as Democrats control Congress, there surely will never be an effective inquiry into this affair. Perhaps a GOP victory this November will allow a thorough examination finally to begin. Add this to the many investigations the GOP will need to make when they finally take back Congress.

    • Raggs

      James… thank you!! great information

    • American Liberal

      James….zero facts… 100% fiction…

      • pat

        That is your only respons.Typical liberal respons when they can not argue the facts.

        • denniso

          response…r e s p o n s e

          • http://?? Joe H.

            You Y O U Idiot I D I O T. See, my spelling is real good, denniso!!!

    • JeffH

      James A Graham, good post and well informed.

      The “Shadow Party” is a term originally devised by journalists to describe “527″ political committees promoting Democratic Party agendas. It is here used more specifically to refer to the network of non-profit activist groups organized by George Soros and others to mobilize resources — money, get-out-the-vote drives, campaign advertising and policy iniatives — to elect Democratic candidates and guide the Democratic Party towards the left.http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/ShadowParty.asp

    • JeffH

      Who Is Behind Barack Obama’s Rise to Stardom?

      Soros, through his Open Society Institute, funnels approximately $300 million a year into various liberal venues, including the influential MoveOn.org, which he owns. According to veteran researcher Anton Chaitkin, Soros also hand-picked Barack Obama to challenge Hillary Clinton (and ultimately defeat GOP nominee John McCain). On Sept. 5, 2008, he wrote, “Barack Obama came under special Soros sponsorship in the 2004 U.S. Senate race [and] raised $60,000 for his campaign.” After attaining victory, Obama met personally with Soros, then attended a fundraiser at his home.

      http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/behind_barack_obama_188.html

      • denniso

        JeffH, what are you, a naive 10 yr old? A rich man helping a politician get elected,legally at that?? Boy,what a scandle you’ve got there sonny.

        • JeffH

          Just one socialist puppetering another socialist to socialize the anti-socialists!

        • JeffH

          Your cynicism is full of naive disappointments.

      • eyeswideopen

        Jeffie, in response to your Soros rage, Koch Industries and the 60 conservative think tanks that they fund and founded is the most powerful of the individuals or organizations. They are after all the 2nd most profitable private company in US. Too bad they founded the John Birch Society, but Libertarians love them. The uniformed don’t comprehend that anarchy is perfect for the elites who are striving to control us.

        • JeffH

          You always admire what you really don’t understand.

    • cella

      It has probably received money from George Soros. Sounds like a Fox. Nothing to back it up. (probably) You can’t run a country on probably. Just like you can’t convict on probably. Grow up.

      • JeffH

        I think you and dennisso occupy the same cell-duh!

    • eyeswideopen

      james, http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Koch_Foundation
      http://www.desmogblog.com/big-money-behind-americans-prosperity
      Institute for Justice, Inst. for Humane Studies, Cato Inst.CSE, Aspen Foundation, Earthwatch, Heartland Inst.,Pacific Research Inst. for Public policy, Democracy Data& Communications, and approx 35 more, are all funded/founded by Koch Industries. They just happen to be conservative think tanks who the Koch family is using to promote libertarian ideology by riding on the backs of the conservatives.

  • American Liberal

    And typical of the rightwing…. The Republicans have a morality meltdown so what do they do?… Blame president Obama…

    • Raggs

      Fact… ACORN was the largest reason the housing market crashed due to forced subprime mortages through freedie and fanny for the poor…
      obama as a lawyer and senator was one of the largest supporters of ACORN.

      • American Liberal

        Wrong… Deregulation was the reason for the economic meltdown … Which is exactly where you republicans will go if you get the goverment back… The Banks weren’t required to knowingly give bad loans… It’s called responsibility …as usual you bark rightwing nonsense…

        • BigBadJohn

          Check out the republican plan for the economy – more tax cuts.
          Tax cuts are the reason we have a 12 trillion dollar national debt.
          Reagan and Bush proved beyond a shadow of doubt that trickle down does not work – it only increases the national debt.

          Borrow and spend conservatives!

          • American Citizen

            What don’t you understand about debt? Who takes care of the budget in your home? Debt is incurred when you spend more than you take in. Tax cuts historically bring in more money to the Government treasury. It’s the spending, wake up!!!

          • American Citizen

            Unless I’m mistaken, the debt has tripled since the Democrats took over after the last election. Tax and spend Democrats.

          • BigBadJohn

            American citizen. You are correct,Debt goes up when you take in less than you spend. So if you bring in less and spend the same, the debt goes up! No matter how you slice it, tax cuts are the same as spending increases.
            Bush’s 400 billion dollar tax cut went straight to the national debt, it did not make money for the government. Reagan’s vice president, GH Bush, called trickle down “VooDoo economics”

            You are wrong about debt going up three times in the last year – what are you smoking or who’s lies are you listening to? If you want to know the truth – go to the source:
            http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np

            FACT
            2007-2008 Debt went up by 1.5 TRILLION
            2008-2009 Debt went up by 1.6 TRILLION – this includes Bush’s bail out bills that he left to Obama

    • tedcrawford

      Rant on o small one! If you are impressing yourself, then you are the only one!

      • Ellen

        Sorry Ted your sounding like the,”small one.” Study economics, do you have a C.P.A.?

        • zack

          Ellen, (words removed for offensive content) This man is a little bit wacky, by showing how ignorant he is by writing all the lies word for word out of the AARP paper. Damn man can’t you write something on your on without having to copy it? NO!

        • ted crawford

          Ellen: appearently you haven’t! Taxes and revenue are, historically, inversly preportional.

  • Sandy

    Steele needs to go. I noticed that when he gave his so-called apology for his spending, he had to read it from his notes. Not quite heart-felt I’d say, but rather something he was required to do to save his butt. His spending will continue, but will be less conspicuous now, he hopes.

  • American Citizen

    I read this morning where the progressives are planning on infiltrating the tea party rallies and doing things to make them look bad. I think some have already done that. Tea Party conservatives should watch out for them and take them out. You’ll know them by their signs and some of their actions. I’d love to be able to attend one of the rallies, but am not able to do so.

    • American Liberal

      Progressives are planning to infiltrate Tea Bagger Rallys?… That’s not easy…. The Baggers men all look like Larry ” The Cable Guy”… And the bagger women look like Ernest Borgnine…pretty hard to look like a bagger

      • chuck b

        american citizen

        are you aware, americanliberal is nothing but some high school srudent agitating, can’t you tell by his juvenile thought process.

        • s c

          Between AmLib and Normy, I wouldn’t give either of them the benefit of the doubt, chuck b. They haven’t made it past junior high – yet. At some point, their revised history books will put them in their place, and their unnatural affection for King Obummer will force them into rehabs (assuming that Obummer’s healthcare scam will have room for them, and America will have enough trained professionals to treat them).

          • Ellen

            Thank-you, I am new on this site and I wonder what sort of low IQ but now I understand. Grade School amlib & normys are trying to be big fellows.

          • JeffH

            Ellen, if you want to see some real interesting cases, wait for “eyeswideopen” and “denisso” to appear. You ain’t seen nothin’ yet!

          • http://?? Joe H.

            JeffH,
            you mean his name isn’t dennisso??? I’ll just be darned!!!

        • chuck b

          jeffh

          no chance jeff unless we get a new conservative congress and i doubt we can do that. we have too many rino’s embedded in the house and the rnc is doing nothing except causing itself problems. the tea party is our only hope of generating enough conservative americans to run and as you can see they have a high hurdle with the media, the dnc and rnc doing all they can to crush this movement.
          like your letter, however, my congressman is very conservative and he is voicing exactly what you say in your letter, any democrat rep such as pew’losi wouldn’t take a phone call or email so there’s no evidence she would bother to read a letter.

    • American Liberal

      Correct… Our signs would have correct spelling..

      • American Liberal

        Citizen… It’s proof big business can’t be trusted… Regulation is a must.. The Bush tax cuts and deregulation took our economy down… Not mention cutting taxes to the rich in time of war… Bushs personal war aginst Iraq was another reason… You think Ronald Reagan defeated the Soviet Union?.. It was Afghanistan…

        • Norm

          Simply stated: why give money to losers. The republicans are divided, confused, and if they continue the radical right path, they will ultimately lose.

          • Raggs

            Not going to happen…. This kind of downplaying the tea parties and the GOP is exactly what the obama worshipping leftist want people to believe, but sence it is all nonsence and lies the dumbocraps are sitting in thier own pile of crap.

          • s c

            Raggs, remember what Mark Twain said about people who rely on newspapers for their information. He said, “If you don’t read a newspaper, you’re uninformed. If you do read a newspaper, you’re misinformed.” That, in a nutshell, is the way to look at Normy.
            I wonder what Twain would have said about kool-aid drinkers like Normy and the usual ultraliberal progressives who send in feedback?

          • http://?? Joe H.

            sc,
            he also said to defend your country always, defend your government if they earn it!!!

          • Norm

            Raggs&SC

            If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull. W. C. Fields.

            http://www.electionprojection.com/index.php

          • Dennis

            Norm,
            You mean B.H.Obama

        • Allan

          Try sub-prime mortgages, mostly driven by Dems, and the toxic assets that created in the global investment community. If you want to believe it was Bush tax cuts, that’s your prerogative.

          • BigBadJohn

            Do some research on Bush’s “ownership society” program, he twisted arms to make it work which meant giving out shaky loans. You never saw a zero down mortgage before George Bush……

            Quote from Bush: In America’s ideal of freedom, citizens find the dignity and security of economic independence… To give every American a stake in the promise and future of our country, we will… build an ownership society. We will widen the ownership of homes…..

      • Ellen

        american liberal, Go Take a Long nap! Dream on.

    • Pat R

      Am. Citizen:

      You are right!! This has been going on since Jan. They are infiltrating the TeaParty and wrecking havoc on what they are doing! I have believed for a long time that there have been “plants” in every Town Hall meeting and event to cause problems for the TeaParty!

      Bad John:
      Just because Sarah Palin supports John McCain; does not mean that the TeaParty does!! The time for McCain to retire in near! Also, all the Members of Congress who belong to the DNS and voted for ObamaCare can expect to be retired!!

    • BigBadJohn

      Dam good idea, maybe someone should take a shot at Obama so he round up all of the tea party people and send them to Gitmo……

      • http://?? Joe H.

        Hey goofball,
        Are you supporting action against the president??? I hope this one time the thought police ARE monitoring this site!!! course they wouldn’t take a progressive libby like you!!!

    • JeffH

      SMEARING THE TEA PARTIES
      ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) – Opponents of the fiscally conservative tea party movement say they plan to infiltrate and dismantle the political group by trying to make its members appear to be racist, homophobic and moronic.
      The Tea Party foes, bent on making the conservative group’s members appear to be “homophobes, racists or morons,” say they’ll be crashing Tea Party demonstrations nationwide this week.
      A person named Jason Levin started the group and wants to exaggerate the unappealing qualities attributed to some Tea Party members to damage the public’s opinion of the entire anti-tax movement, made up of loosely affiliated groups and individuals.

      • JeffH

        If you check it out, be prepared for anything..the safe seems safe to enter, but some of their comments read:
        -The teaparty is mostly old people who want the young to pay for their medicare, but they don’t want to extend benefits to younger people (their children and grandchildren). These greedy old non-white loving bastards need to die already, they have done enough damage to this once great country.
        -Don’t even try to act like you are some sort of a rogue fighting the system because you call yourself a Conservative. Nothing was wrong with the government according to you until Obama was elected you reactionary pricks.

        I bet it burned you up real good when chickenhawk McCain lost to a negro. No wars to rally for, huh? Now you are stuck attending concerts where Shaun Hannity gives a $200 check to some veteran who had his legs blown off all in the name of charity where you paid $40 for a ticket x 1000 attendees. Real charitable.
        -What’s your beef with Karl Marx?

        http://www.crashtheteaparty.org/
        Are you a Capitalist…these are the nice ones…

  • FlaJim

    The drop in contributions to the GOP can be explained as simply as this: Conservatives, the base of the GOP, no longer trust the RNC and are contributing directly to candidates of their choice, as I do.

    The RNC supported Arlen Specter right up to the bitter end, announced for RINO Charlie Crist early in the contest (he’s now 30 points behind), still love McCain, and are hoping Bennett in UT succeeds in the primary challenge.

    We’re no longer blindly supporting those who receive the seal of approval from establishment GOP insiders at the RNC.

    • American Liberal

      Rightwing neo conservative agend….keep doing what never works…

    • Ellen

      FlaJim, I think your are right. Support the good guys and clean out the no accounts! Every good reason to GET out and vote. There is evil & greed in both camps!

    • JeffH

      FlaJim, are you a carpenter because your very good at nailing it.

  • JeffH

    To anyone that might be interested. I have sent a letter to my representatives through Downsize DC and I encourage those that agree with a repeal of the Health Care Bill to do the same. Downsize DC provides that avenue:
    https://secure.downsizedc.org/etp/campaigns/114

    It reads in my own words:

    True healthcare reform requires less government involvement, not more.

    I am outraged at Congress and this administration for turning their backs on the American people with this outrageous Health Care Bill that presents everything but REFORM. Congress should and needs to repeal this bill. Each and every proponent of this bill will be held responsible for their actions. Each and every elected representative will be deeply scrutinized and held accountable for for their role in the destruction of what should be a bipartisan, constitutional democratic republic.
    Do not expect a vote from myself or the majority of Americans for your re-election if you have ignored your constituents and the oath you have taken to uphold and protect the Constitution and the people of the United States of America.

  • American Citizen

    By their posts and replies here, I see that the Liberals and Progressives are not in high school. They are old enough to be so biased they are uneducable.

  • Marilyn

    The democrats have a very bad record now. How could anything the Republicans do make them look worse than the democrats? We have thieves, liars, cheaters, drunks in Washington so lets get rid of all the screwballs and back to civilized, honest Government. If it all boils down to who has the most money to get elected, what a sorry mess of fatuous fatheads we and politicians have become!

  • kate8

    All right. Don’t know why that one doesn’t work.

    Try this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40vsjBHq7XI

  • http://blogger.com Stephen Russell

    Time to go Tea Party since they indirect impacted Stupak leaving office, now for Midterms.
    GIGO=Garbage in & Garbage Out.]
    Elect the same, we get the Same
    Overhaul with new Blood.
    No New Blood, NOT same Old blood.
    Hire Outside the Box.
    Be daring or Lose for Nov.
    Gear up Tea Party & Lets Move Fwd

    DNC & RNC= Wash DC Estd Party

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  • American Liberal

    American citizen… Did those tax cuts to the rich work?……

  • American Citizen

    Again, it’s the spending. Bush’s tax cuts were not only for the rich, they went across the board. When Obama lets them expire, everyones’ tax rates are going to go up. The rich are hurting right now just as the rest of us are, not to the same degree, but they’ve seen their bottom line go down. You don’t seem to understand business. If you can’t make a profit, you go under.

  • s c

    OK, Am Lib, wannabe omniscient. Let’s do a quick history check. ALL tax cuts are bad, eh? A tax cut means you have a bad leader, eh? Tax cuts never do anything good for America, eh?
    Ever heard of a guy named JFK? (John Fitzgerald Kennedy, for those who love to rant but refuse to be historically accurate). One of the first things JFK as president was to CUT TAXES.
    Now that you’ve slammed and dissed JFK, you are morally obligated to turn in your Democrat/ultralib membership card, and stand with your nose in the nearest corner for an hour. No milk or cookies for you, young man! No gold star, and that revised history book you worship will be run through a shredder.

  • Raggs

    So…. Why are you liberals worried about this November anyway?
    I have been reading the dumbocraps are going to count the dead, illegals and pets / livestock as votes…

  • Norm

    Raggs
    As I’ve previously stated, 2010 will bring gains to Republicans. However, they will not gain majorities in the Senate or the House. Current predictions are 6-7 seats in the Senate, 20-30 in the House.
    If they don’t get it together by 2012, Obama’s in.

  • Independent

    FlaJim really nailed the problem for the Republican Party. Just like him, I’m tired of seeing my contributions go to support people who turn on us and vote with the Democrats, so from now on, I’m not contributing to the Party. I’m giving to the Conservative candidate. No more Establishment RINO’s. Backing John McCain against Obama was the last straw. He has been a RINO all along. I voted for him as the lesser of two evils.

  • American Liberal

    Raggs… If liberals lose ground in the Mid terms then so be it… I support democracy….and I don’t mind paying taxes to live on the best country on the planet…. I want safe roads, a strong fire dept, police force, military ( infrastructure)…so I don’t mind paying taxes to have those things…. You rightys don’t care about silly things like I listed…

  • chuck b

    american liberal

    i take it back your not a guy, your a girlie!!

  • American Liberal

    Sc… You really seem confused… I never said all tax cuts were bad…. But Just taxing the middle class and giving the top 2% tax cuts during a war that only benifits them is going to always be an economic disaster…. President Obama just gave Americas middle class the LARGEST TAX CUTS in history …. And will allow the Bush tax cuts to expire in 2011…. We need to put more money in the hands of the middle class to stimulate the economy…when the republicans are in power they always favor the rich… Were changing that, and it’s going to benifit you no matter how much you hold your breath and stomp your feet…your tantrums amuse me..

  • http://yahoo ellodeb

    So the roads, the police, ect.ect. ect. are so important that the feds have to do it? No thanks, have you been to the Social Security office lately? How about the USPS and getting paid with money orders? Once employed by the feds you can’t get rid of them or get them to do the right thing, let alone work for the people who are paying their outrageous wages and benefits. You liberals are the same as any Republican or Democrat as far as party lines go the corruption is to the core. Let’s go for content of character.

  • Raggs

    Liberal….You are sadly mistaken if you think I do not care about this country or the citizens that call it home…. The lose of jobs this year have hit some very close friends of mine not only that but I have a heavy heart for all of those that have lost thier jobs…

    The path that the democrats are taking this country into is nothing less than destructive and nonproductive… The government IS the problem not the solution… I feel that by design obama wants this country to colapse so that he can join this country in a global governance ran by no other than obama himself… Democrats are blindeyed puppets serving thier master and not the people of this nation.

  • http://gmail Raindancer

    Am Lib is more like a queer steer, send him to market. Several of the socialist, liberal communist loving democrats on this site, are a little off on cause of the defits, in 2006, the dems took over control of house and senate, they came up with the bills, and wanted more spent on the lazy assed minorities in all forms. House ownership with no money down, more Food Stamps, and more money for bastardized children. Why do you think minorities are such good athaletes, they are too damn lazy to work, they will not learn from the unionized teachers, and attend schools. Love to use and sell drugs, and at all hours of the day, and to occupy their time pound the ball one way or another anywhere since they don’t work. Since they will squeal like a fat hog if they do have to learn English or act quit acting like they just crawled out from under a brush pile, they have serious problems in life. The dems always are for more government control of any facet of your life, you simple dumazzed democrats. From your socialist party was formed, Tammy Hall has stoled voteing boxes, burnt votes, registared Irishmen getting off the boat that were not citizens, voted 3-6 times, and always ran whore houses and later added bootlegged booze running “the Kennedys”, are are locked hip to hip like two mules aka “asses”. Omoron and his merry band of retards are allowing the Chinese a 45 or more billion jobto build a light rail, and also they are bringing their own engineers and some work crews. That is some of yours and mine stimulas money. What a dung brained idea, of course when you call you liberal reps and senators, ask where is the jobc for the USA. Since we borrowed it from China, they get to double dip. Maybe dems have dyslexia, but it probly is annallexia, head up posterior, a common genitic problem with liberals!!!

  • Buckeye

    Come on all of you coserves let the boys have some fun. A girlie show might take their minds off “TAX BREAKS” for the elite since it did not work for eight years.

  • Norm

    Raggs
    Your forgetting who was president for nearly 2 sad terms when the bottom fell out.

  • Norm

    Buckeye
    Oh it worked just fine for the greedy untitled royalty.

  • Allan

    I’d like to propose a few ideas about the difference between conservatives and Republicans, as well as a suggestion to this group:

    1) Conservatives in general AREN’T HAPPY WITH their Republican representatives. Pregressives seem to think Republicans have become more conservative. Most conservatives think the opposite. There is a conservative voice rising, whether Republican leaders, Democrats, and Progressives want to recognize it or not. Conservative principles trump Republican principles.
    2) Conservatives will generally end up voting for the most conservative candidate. Why? Because flawed and self-serving as the representatives are, there is a chance that their interests will sometimes coincide with conservative principles.
    3) Conservative principles (and absolutes in general) scare Progressives, who to me seem to prefer …a) situational ethics, and b) basing their priorities on feeling deprived of something someone else has. This utopian, commiseration-based vision feels good, especially in groups, and at the same time creates a power and control opportunity.
    4) Conservatives aren’t interested in enriching rich people to the exclusion of others! Should I repeat that? They are interested in seeing the most individual incentive possible, believing it to be the source of American opoportunity. In other words, more good is ultimately accomplished through it than through siren song, retroactive “social justice” thinking, which is based in punishing people for success. More free stuff, or more opportunity? You decide. Both individual incentive and social justice lead to abuses. Conservatives believe social justice abuses ultimately lead to less opportunity. When it comes to tax cuts, etc., conservatives support what they think will create the most opportunity, not because they have a soft spot for a rich person.

    ***I recommend that all conservatives on this site STOP responding to any of the liberals who act insincere. I think sincere debate is good, but a lot of energy and time is wasted on purely provocative liberal comments here.

    -Right now it is projected that Tea Party candidates could create a 35% boost in support for Democratic candidates in the November elections. This is a real concern for conservatives, and you’d think that Progressives would start saying nice things about the Tea Party to drive the advantage. My hope is that leaders of both Tea Party and Republicans will come to their senses and forge a cooperative strategy to reverse what I consider an “Invasion of the Body Snatchers of America”.

    -My guess is if we took a general poll we’d find that the majority of those who have a) started a business, b) created a job c) served in the military d) voted in the most local, state, and national elections , and e) contributed the most to charity, are conservatives. I think such attributes have a lot to do with political perspective.

  • kate8

    Check out this speech given by JFK on the NWO. This was why he was assassinated. This is why no one has spoken out about it since.

    You libs might especially learn something here.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch/v=tq13lrnRC1Q

  • denniso

    Raggs…you and others who spout your theory of Obama wanting to destroy the country so he can then be dictator of a one world gov’t are nothing short of deluded or insane. You should know by now that the crash began in Bush’s term after 7 yrs of his being in control and that he started the bailouts that Obama continued. So are you saying that Bush also wanted to dictate over a one world gov’t??
    Come on guy,you can surely think better than that…

  • kate8

    I agree that we should stop responding to the trolls. They are only here to be mean-spirited, derogatory, disrespectful, and to spit in the face of the values of our founders. And they are completely ignorant of anything but liberal propaganda.

    They have chosen to align with forces of evil, and it is useless and a waste of energy to engage them. I now just skip over any of their comments. They can post, but we don’t have to read.

  • denniso

    and your ‘guess’ would be wrong. I’m a certified liberal and have been self employed all but 1 year out of my 40yr adult working life.
    I have many liberal friends who have their own construction companies and have done it for decades. The difference is that we don’t whine about what others do or don’t do…we work and create jobs and leave you to your own purposes.

  • denniso

    Allan…you ‘recommend that conservatives here not respond to insincere liberals’…I guess you think it’s fine then for your people to respond to fellow rightwingers who demonize and scapegoat others,and who toss threats and talk of armed revolution around. Is it sincere to lie about Obama and to convince dullards that he is a communist,fascist,socialist,Kenyan,Muslim???

  • Allan

    Glad you created some jobs, Dennis. About 70% of small business payrolls are met by Republicans and Independents, and about 70% of U.S. Armed Forces voted conservatively in 2008. Families with conservative heads of household donate 30% more to charity than those with liberals heads of household. So I stand by my theory. BTW, according to the National Science Foundation, in the last fifty years, a much higher percentage of Republicans (both men and women) earned four-year college degrees than did Democrats. I only mention this because of continual characterization of conservatives as being uneducated.

    As far as what people say about Obama here, I think most, including you, believe what they are saying. I recommended people stop responding to you because, while you occasionaly try to make a sincere comment, most of your energy goes into provocation. We see that…we see today’s news about crashtheteaparty.org…it’s not hard to understand why preaching to the choir is preferrable these days.

  • American Citizen

    Do you mean the Kennedys?

  • American Citizen

    Or the Clinton?

  • Joel Johnston

    If you look at the political scale as a line with liberal and conservative on the extremes, you can put your self somewhere on the line between the two. Somewhere on that line is a dividing point between the extremes that can be defined by one simple question, “are you willing to take 50% of each paycheck and give it to someone who does not work?” Those who answer yes follow liberal ideology and those that don’s follow conservative.

    The Constitution of the United States does not provide the federal government with the authority (by the people) to assign collective funds to charitable causes…period. The slow erosion of this important aspect of the Constitution has taken away from the core beliefs of the conservative minded people to seek higher personal financial rewards for their own individual efforts and from their freedom to provide charity as they see fit. Liberal extremes have cried for the free ride for a long time and now it is pulling into the station. I say congratulations to the likes of american liberal, denisso, enlightened one, norm, et al. You can sit back and enjoy the fruits of someone else’s labor. Ask yourself the question, “I wonder how long we can keep those conservative morons working under the yolk?” So pull on your bongs, turn up the ipods, eat your cheetos, drink Pepsi and get stuff, play your x-box, and sink into the comfort of your lazy chair. I am a carpenter and believe it is my right to earn as much money as I see fit to keep for me and my family. I will not hesitate to give my money to those in need as I see fit, but I do not believe the government has the right to tell me where to provide charity. This is where we differ and if this makes me a “gun totin, god fearin, reactshunary moron” that you want to rally against and make look ignorant and racist, then have at it.

    I am one of the Americans who believe in God and Country. I believe I owe eternal respect for the men and women who have died for the freedoms we enjoy and would gladly do the same. I also believe I must do my part each day to earn those freedoms and not rest on the laurels of my forbears. You are the face of the enemy this country faces today. Complacent, self-entitled, disgruntled, life is unfair, when do I get mine, Adam Lambert and Lady Gaga are awesome, dude where’s my pot…

  • denniso

    Joel… your assumptions and exaggerations and lies are too profuse to address and a clear waste of time. But, do you think the gov’t has the right to use tax money to send men to the moon? To build roads to help trucking co’s make money and promote commerce? To subsidize wealthy farmers and ranchers to ensure a stable and affordable food production? To subsidize huge mining co’s to help them make billions in profit? To protect oil shipping lanes so Exxon can sell oil to you and reap tens of billions in profit? To help fund rural fire depts to protect your home? To fund medical research to find cures that help everyone and prevent large epidemics?
    Charity to your fellow Americans? What are all the examples i’ve listed? Charity to the wealthy that partly does promote the ‘general welfare’.

  • Allan

    Good posts Joel. Once again I hope, especially right now, that we will ignore provocateurs on this site. It is clear the majority of voters is outraged. It is clear they don’t want more “explanations”. They want less…government, taxes, and spending. Fundamentally, they believe that America was and is great, and that the most important “change” that was needed in November of 2008 was in the accountability of their representatives. Clearly, we have served a schocking new form of arrogance in place of accountability. The message of our government and provocateurs on this forum has been: “Don’t worry your pretty little head about it”. If you have had enough of this, it is time to focus. The provocateurs want to distract our focus and waste our time with ad hominem arguments. There are six months until a highly pivotal election. Let’s do our due diligence, pick our candidates, donate whatever time and money we can, and talk to our friends. As we go, let’s share insights we have on the candidates in pivotal races. I too am one of the Americans who believes in God and Country, and as Joel reminded us, let us be inspired by respect for the men and women who have fought and died for our freedoms that are now in danger.

  • Joel Johnston

    denniso… I think you are confused with the difference between charity and investment. Simply put charity is a gift and no return is expected. A return is expected on money spent to improve infrastructure, food, fuel development, natural resource recovery, and the like. Your examples were not charitable and I encourage you answer the question here if you are willing to contribute 50% of your pay to someone unwilling to work.

    The role of government was clearly defined in Article I, Section 8 Assisting the needy is a “moral imperative” – not a constitutional right. If you want to stretch the term “general welfare” as evidence to the contrary then consider Madison’s view, “With respect to the words general welfare, I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers (enumerated in the Constitution) connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators.”

    Examples of the power of private charity: “In 1871, the city of Chicago burned to the ground. Contributions, with virtually no money from government, rebuilt the city. After 9/11, so many Americans gave money that the Red Cross used some contributions for non-9/11 purposes. Christianity Today wrote in January 2002: ‘Suddenly awash in a sea of money, relief agencies such as the Salvation Army need help. So much money – $1.5 billion so far – has come in that charities are having a hard time spending it.’ And Americans donated an even greater sum to those affected by hurricanes Katrina and Rita.” (Larry Elder).

    It sounds like you would rather exist in an anarchistic commune and measure progress through improvements to your strains of pot. You must also have Luddite tendencies because you seem to be appalled by technologies developed to meet the demand of motivated individuals seeking to improve their work and their lives? I use power tools and look for technology as improvements to the quality of my work. Do you use stone tools or are you a primordial purist and strive to use no tools whatsoever in your trade?

  • denniso

    I think you’ve just pulled numbers out of your hat…if, for instance, more conservatives have 4yr degrees,then why are most colleges considered hot beds of liberal thought and action? And, though I don’t believe your stat about degrees, one would have to note what type of degree is gotten by the different groups…all degrees are not equal. I’ve got a civil engineering degree and can speak from direct experience,it is not an education…it’s job preparation,not necessarily easy,but surely not a well rounded education that teaches anything about the world or politics or philosophy or people or history. My minor in economics was equally narrow,though I’m glad I have some appreciation of how our system works or doesn’t. I would guess that most conservatives get degrees in business,engineering,criminal justice…fields that don’t teach kids anything but the specific curriculum itself..so, we have many
    ‘educated’ people who were really trained to do a job,not really educated.

  • denniso

    Anarchistic commune?? Again, you seem to jump to some weird conclusions and ramble unclearly,how, I don’t see.
    The vast majority of $ spent dealing w/ 9/11 was city,state and fed money…sure,people voluntarily donated,but that wasn’t most of it.
    And if you are so enamored of private charity,why don’t you advocate it for the defense of the country? There are millions of people who resent paying and go to jail for witholding their taxes that they don’t want to go to the military,which they see as too often used for offensive destruction and imperialism. If charity works so well,why not just turn our entire gov’t over to the whims of it and get rid of the tax system? If people want to donate money for roads,they will,right? If we want police protection,we could voluntarily donate to it. Would that work?
    Probably not…yet the rightwing thinks that private charity is the proper way to deal w/ dire poverty,which is probably the most crushing and wide ranging problem in our society that has existed for the entire existence of the country. It leads to crime, huge costs for prisons and jails,ill health that also costs the system…not to mention the horrible human toll of the tens of millions who often are stuck in it for life…a vast waste of human potential and dead dreams of little kids.

  • denniso

    Provocateurs?? Would that be the rightwingers and tea people who are talking revolution and threatening violence and playing w/ their guns in an attempt to frighten law abiding voters? I really think you’ve got it totally backwards. I and others on this site have basically only tried to respond to and challenge the demonizing and scapegoating
    of our legitimately elected leaders. You should look up the definition of provocateur…don’t forget, we won the election,we’re not the ones in the street waving guns around.

  • Joel Johnston

    Good post Allen and you are right on the money. There are two extreme levels in any argument…child and adult. It is much harder to maintain the adult position when provocateurs who reside in the child spectrum fire their paper bullets. There never really is any solid discussion from liberals on they want…just rants about how evil and oppressive the (fill in the slanderous remark) right wing have been and always will be. We all have to remember that we are here discussing these issues for the reasons you stated…we are tired of a country that lost its identity because politicians have grown fat on power by raising a growing herd of “me generation” Americans. Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered.

    I don’t really know what the liberals want except for government to serve as their parents and make sure the big kids share the candy with them. Then it becomes expected and as long as the government gives them the candy they stay in power. “Eat the rich” I saw in one post! Consider that our economy is similar to the ocean food chain. Liberal ideology then would be like the barracuda believing the sharks get way too much of the share so the barracuda band together and kill off the sharks! The best of any group should be looked up to and supported to make sure the group has the best chance at winning. You don’t promote the underachievers and hope for the same result. The rich in this country don’t get there by lottery or dumb luck…they earn it! The great thing about this country is that everyone has the same opportunity to achieve to the best of their own abilities. The growing problem is the number of self-entitled underachievers claiming entitlement to others earned income.

  • denniso

    It’s simple, liberals/progressives want a soiety that allows for a level playing field for all Americans…not one in which success and a decent standard of living is determined by skin color or what circumstances a baby is born into…a fair and just society where the gov’t, and it’s policies that affect all citizens, isn’t controlled by a wealthy corporate elite for their own benefit. We want a society that doesn’t lock away more people than any other country in the world and a huge disproportionate number of it’s minority citizens. We’d like a country where we can support our military in the knowledge that it is actually defending us and not waging preemptive war at the bidding of the military industrial complex.
    We want a country that lives up to it’s constitution in protecting the rights of ALL Americans,not just the wealthy or well connected.

  • http://?? Joe H.

    Nano Twit,
    If the tax cuts went to the top earners, then why, when my wife and I make less than 125,000.00 a year, did I get a cut???? I’m certainly not in the top 50% much less the top 10%!!!!

  • http://?? Joe H.

    Not the (GASP) Gores?!?!?!?!? He wouldn’t! Yeah, he would!!!!!

  • http://?? Joe H.

    dennisso,
    my wife is a stout conservative and she has a bachelors in biology, a bachelors in geology and a minor in Chemistry. Guess that blows your theory all to hell, doesn’t it??

  • http://?? Joe H.

    dennisso,
    the only one I have seen here actually advocating violence against the top man was bigbadgoofball earlier and I called him on that!!!

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