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Rights groups to Obama: Release abuse photos

June 4, 2009 by  

Release abuse photosA group of dozens of leading human rights groups has called on President Obama to release photos depicting the alleged abuse of detainees by U.S. personnel overseas.

The letter signed by the American Civil Liberties Union, Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch states that in an open society even embarrassing information is disclosed so that those responsible for wrongdoing can be brought to justice.

"As disturbing as [the photos] may be, it is critical that the American people know the full truth about the abuse that occurred in their name," says Amrit Singh, staff attorney with the ACLU.

"The government’s decision to suppress them is fundamentally
inconsistent with President Obama’s own promise of transparency and accountability," he adds.

After taking office on January 20, Obama signed an executive order to close the Guantanamo Bay detention camp and prohibit the use of torture.

However, last week he announced he would not authorize the release of the photos some say document instances of torture and abuse of terrorist suspects held in detention by the U.S after 9/11.
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  • Peter SanFilippo

    I am an 89 year old WW2 Marine , as is my wife of over 65 years. Caucasian-Christian and an honest to goodness Conservative Republican. I am honest enough to admit I have less than an exalted feeling that The President of our Country is a Mulatto , with dubious credentials. If that that makes me a racist than so be it. For the first time , in my life , I am scared of our administration and head Honcho’s for their (like it or not ) apparent plans for our Country and what appears to be a deliberate sinking of the ship and HELLO Fascism. I am a fan of -Mr. Morris–Glenn Beck-Rush Hannity ,Ingraham , Rove and Levin . I would relish-cherish and welcome the removal of ,Obama , Pelosi,Reid ,Durbin ,Frank,Kennedy, Dodd
    and the entire Liberal roster unAmerican louts,oafs and those stupid voting has forced upon us. “Heil Obama ” if they wish , but count me out ! Pete Sanfilippo

    • Scarlet4America

      You have said it all. I am only 54 and have never been so concerned about the future of our country and our own survival under this administration.

      • PoliSciGirl

        How did we get here? The last administration made you feel safe? Why? Do you think we should have stayed on the same course? At what point, would we switch course where it would be to your liking? What happened to all the money from the Iraq war? Who became rich and who is paying the price for it?

        How many American soldiers have died to date from the past administrations lies? How many more American soldiers will die for Cheney, Rove and Bush’s lies?

        What do you propose the American government should do? What is your education level?

        • Scarlet4America

          Actually we were safer, but you are snowed by Obama and will never admit it. So ramble on!!!! Most of us don’t like war, but unfortunately there are too many countries who know nothing else and don’t value lives. They will always hate America because of our democracy and nothing Obama says will change it. He already sold us out when he apologized for America as if we had something to apologize for. No country has ever come to the aid of all other countries when in need like America has. By the way, how can you support Obama’s reversing the partial birth abortion law? Have you watched videos where babies were allowed to die that were actually able to sustain life outside the womb? So far you have only resorted to attacking those on this post who don’t agree with your skewed thinking. Do you work? or are you one of the recipients of Obama’s spread the wealth, instead of spread the work ethic philosphy? How many of us are going to die because we are going to be governed by a socialistic president? He doesn’t want us to speak our minds…now were considered extremists by the Department of Homeland security. Have you read some of their socialized healthcare proposals? Yes, we were safer under Bush and even though he made mistakes, he didn’t want to destroy our constitution and loved this country. He didn’t ask for 9/11, he just had to deal with it. If you are naive enough to think that there weren’t WMD in Iraq than it just shows that you haven’t done your homework.

        • Paul Trood

          Safer under Bush my ass. Bush’s intervention into Iraq has created more anti U.S. sentiment in muslim communities that has ever existed before. You don’t seem to get it, muslims don’t hate the relative freedom of the U.S. democracy, they hate America being on THEIR soil telling them how to run THEIR lives. This is the real picture but it is dismissed by those at the top as it does not suit their interventionist policies. Obama is a Wall Street shill just like Bush was and Clinton. These guys are just puppets of the ruling elite, just delivery boys for their masters. Last time I checked there were never any WMD’s found in Iraq and if at any time there had been any present, they would have been stamped “Made in the U.S.A.” Just ask Rumsfeld.

        • Dickie

          Polisc girl, You need to study history, If it were not for American”s dieing in war you & your people would be still under communism, You clown,If you are not under it now!. paul if you were even alittle bit of a man, And smart as you think you are, You would have known, That the murrerdering muslims, Have been murrderning innocent people & American”s WAY BEFORE BUSH got in office,But you are so full of hate that people like you are so blind.It is pittyful,Just wait I promise YOU WILL BE BOWING ON 3X5 rug with this illeagle muslim acting pres. So when the demon-craps let all these illeagle immigrants,Take the rest of what little jobs we have, And start murrderning innocent people, & little childern in schools, Then lets see how you are, Keep voting in the pelosis rieds, & murthars in, Its people like you that is dragging down America.

        • 13th Gen. American

          So paul, all that hate and killing and bombing and attacks against America and christians in general was a way to show their love. What was 9-11? They want to destroy anything and anyone that isnt them. They have for centuries. Its only recently they have the more advanced ways to do it. They planned it in Clintons time so there goes your theory to hell. Where it belongs.

        • american

          To poliscigirl
          first of all,not sure why you asked what is your education level?
          it is so clear that there is to many educated idiots in washington right now and have NO COMMON SENSE!!!
          Obama is a FALSE PROPHET……as america is waking up and usuing our COMMON SENSE
          Also if these photos are shown world wide it will only cause more deaths….again(common sense)
          2001-KILL TERRORIST,SAVE ECONOMY
          2009-KILL ECONOMY,SAVE TERRORIST
          (ps) water boarding is not torture…..it is scarry,but leave no lasting effects
          un-like the be-heading done by the terrorist

        • Paul Trood

          13th Gen American what a typically shallow comment. It is obvious that your knowledge of geo-politicle history is non existent. In every instance where muslims have carried out violent attacks it has been against people or peoples that have tried to control their lives and destinies. The largest of which is the U.S. followed by Israel. Your U.S. Empire is as flawed as it could be and you are just about to learn the ramifications of your economic folly.

        • outspoken2

          With the direction and speed B.O. is taking this once great country,” still not to late for us”, we should think about “putting our head between our legs and kissing our fannies goodbye”, if we have that much time. And people praise B.O. like he’s the best thing since peanut butter, WELL PEOPLE, he’s not the best thing, matter of fact he’s a real bad joke in poor taste.

      • Filippo, Jr.

        To scarlet4America:
        You are afraid of your own shadow, therefore nothing you say holds merit and will not matter, you’re like Peter SanFilippo and wife…foolish, old, and will never understand mankind, so the sooner you expire the better the world will be and to think that Peter SanFilippo is 89 years old and has seen his best years, his writings sadden me to think that someone can live that long and die a FOOL! You’re next, actually the three of you should have one last romp in the hay…

        • debra

          Fillippo….You are a real stupid SOB!! You should be thaking that man who fought overseas for our democracy,the freedom of others who were being tortured and killed. Good thing you live in USA..because anywhere else when you were born the Drs. would have just put you aside to die because you are so stupid. ..DeBra

        • Scarlet4America

          It is people like you that make more of us determined to speak out and take a stand. I think the only one afraid of their shadow is you since you have nothing intelligent to say. By the way…I am not going to give up our freedoms because liberal fools are badgering those of us who have faith in God and believe in our Constitution. Americans are uniting and there will be good change in 2010. I am sure you have never served in our military or have done any worthwhile community service, or have had family that has served. It is easy for some people like you to just spew their nastiness and hatred.

        • Robin, Arcadia, I

          Flippo Jr. … You are hateful. Why would you say that the world would be better off when people die that don’t agree with you? What makes you an expert on mankind? You should be thanking all people who have served in the military, especially those who served in a war! Perhaps you need to move to a country that upholds your value system. The United States doesn’t seem to be working out for you.

    • Robin from Indiana

      My father was a WWII Veteran, too. He was also a dyed in the wool Democrat. I am sure his ashes are going crazy about now. He didn’t get to vote in this last election. He would have been in a terrible fix. He was racist, but a Democrat. I honestly don’t know what he would have done.

      My father never talked about the war, never. I didn’t know until his funeral that he had served in 4 theaters in Europe. He was a forward spotter for Patton. I am sure he seen more than most men did.

      What is going to be gained from the release of these photos? At the time, it was a necessary evil. It’s over, except for the lies Nancy Pelosi spews. I don’t like that it was necessary, but even more, I don’t like the fact that so many innocent people died from the Twin Towers assault and the other planes that went down, too. Terrorists need to be treated like terrorists. They are their own little group. If lives were saved due to interrogation methods, so be it. Why is the ACLU so concerned? These are not Americans that had their civil liberties violated. Surely there must be something more important for them to focus on right here in the United States. How about union companies whose employees may lose their right to secret ballot? Or gun owners whose rights are being challenged? They need to focus on these things that are happening now instead of things that happened years ago.

    • Lisa K from FLA

      Robin, you are not alone. MANY feel the same as you. Thank you for your service to our country-you know better than anyone what you fought for & what’s at stake with this Liberal Statist president who bought his way into the White House & is attempting to shove socialism/ total government control down our throats. WE THE PEOPLE must educate ourselves & fellow citizens as to what is happening politically, what is at stake & what personal liberties we are going to lose.

    • KATHLEEN LAKE

      If age hasn’t anything to do with common sense you both are scary sad sad people!
      Our main concern right now should be Our Troops in a War Zone time to be conservative in our protection of them and not let releases of this atrocity of treatment of detainees become Detrimental to their Safety….There will be a better time for We the People who have a need to see this debacle that was done by the previous administration when our troops are safe at Home.
      They are all that has kept us safe the last 8 years while the administration was endangering all of us including them. But, these Military troops stood at the Front Line to protect us all by keeping the terrorists and others busy.
      We don not need any more propaganda available to these perpetrators to use as a recruit tool. Let’s all choose this as a time to put them 1st .
      Not a time to worry or wonder about rights of others’ in a time of a war that was not well handled. That is the past, now we need to focus on the repair of our Moral Compass.

      • Cindy in MD

        Kathleen, you ARE confused. There is no draft in this country. A few good Men of honor and character have volunteered to serve our country and to to advance the cause of freedom around the world.

        What is the deal with all you antiwar people. Why are you not out there protesting the murder of the thousands of innocent babies that are denied the RIGHT to life every day. A right guaranteed by the Constitution.

        You all seem confused to me. It’s OK to murder innocent babies who have no voice, but it’s not OK for men who volunteered for military service to place their life at risk for the cause of freedom.

        • KATHLEEN LAKE

          Well sweetness you must be to young to realize that when cheney was eligible there was a Draft that he dodged!
          I Am Pro-Life !
          Not Antiwar have come from a Irish Ancestor family background have been privileged to have veterans’ in each generation of my family. Just anti bush war fought for reasons biased on LIES.
          Not a good practice to read between the lines in Judgment of other people.
          I honor the Soldiers’ of each War that have given the ultimate sacrifice of Laying down their Lives for Others’-with special a thought for my cousin’s husband blown up by the Land mine in Vietnam as she pregnant waited for what remains here at home could be returned for burial.
          . Am especially blessed to still have my brother’s & brother-in Law who were able to return from that War has heroes’ to many.

      • PoliSciGirl

        I think you make very valid points and I agree. Very well put.

        • B-Man

          If I may jump in. There sure is a strong sense of frustration in this country that we have never seen. Its coming from every angle. But my big question is What Are We Doing To Stop It? What is the plan of attack. Where are the meetings on how we are going to stop this. Are we just going to talk our way into early graves? Are we going to just sit and watch America go to hell. Hello?
          All these conversations are for not and don’t count for anything if we Americans who love this country don’t get moving and refuse to cooperate with all this crap being dump in our faces. I educated myself with my own sweat and worked myself to the bone to start my own business and since 1985 I have averaged 80-100 hrs a week to build and support my company. It has all but vanished because of this buch of bullies taking my money and giving it to those whom never ever paid any price to succeed. The people who really create work and opportunity have all but decided to stop all work and investments and purchases and on and on. As a result the trickle down incomes are getting worse. At this poin I know now this is completely a reaction to this group of crooks/leaders. This country better start f—-waking up and put into action a plan to remove these punks. All of them

    • ginnie strong

      im with you. every day when i wake up it scares me what these people are hitting with us next. god help us with the new health program , from what i hear these people are off the wall. please, will someone wake up and fight this new change .

    • Bobby Kelley

      Peter, I am 75 years old. You have stated the case exactly as I would have. Thank you very much and God bless you.

    • Bob-Vet2

      I am 82, WW2 Navy corpsman and also disgusted with the words, policies & actions of this President. Never have I observed the un American, apologetic,
      attitude the he presents to the rest of the world. He has based his foreign policy
      upon condescending speeches, requesting forgiveness for our history! The ACLU is aggressive with a policy that enforces this attitude here in our nation!
      Pictures of our actions in GItmo with these “terrorists”.. & not the absurd change
      to “enemy combatants”, is our business. They are not included in the Geneva
      Convention rules; they should not be treated as a citizen! Their purpose is to kill
      Americans..treat them as such. Gitmo is a palace compared to their prisons, and
      even their homes. I am an old fashioned Christian, Conservative Republican married 62 yrs..! Some “change” is inevitable..but not our form of government,
      not facism, or socialism and NOT demeaning our nation!

      • Robin, Arcadia, IN

        Thank you Bob and Peter for your service to our country. I agree with both of your posts. Thank you for giving me the freedom to express my opinion.

    • Warrior

      To all The wwII vets I just want to say ‘THANK YOU ALL’ if there are any Heros in this world you are THEM…My father was in WWII (Marine). Myself..Army Vietnam. But YOU kids were speicial, and people forget you all were only kids yourselfs when you were serving. Again THANK YOU.

    • 13th Gen. American

      Thank you dear sir for your effort in keeping us from this so far. You are right and I feel bad for the service men now because the libs care more for the people who want to kill us then those who die to save us. My son-in-law is in Iraq right now and my daughter and I both agree. Leave the military out of interrogation all together. Send a service wife over there. Ill bet you those guys would tell on their own mothers when these women god done with them. “Mam, they have a bomb and your husband is in danger but we cant get the guy to tell us where it is.” Have you ever seen a woman fight over a pair of shoes? Dont men cower at the thought of coming home late and facing a woman? Dont they get pissed off when a man cant find the remote? These are nothing compared to what a woman would to to get the intell’ from one of them. Why do you think they make their women cover their faces? So they dont have to look at them when they are mad.Have a pissed off wife stare him down and they will piss themselves. My daughter cant even get her nails dirty but She’ll use them to scratch someones eyes out if need be. I think the only reason Obama hasnt done it yet is because og the Generals breathing down his neck and the vets and military will have a take over.

    • wey wong

      Let’s remove this imposter. He’s not an American citizen and can’t serve as our president. He’s spent close to 1 million dollars to hide his place of birth and refuse to show us his real birth certificate. What does he have to hide?
      WE don’t need an OJT (on the job training) president. All his changes as he’s promised have made everything worse for America; look at his “accomplishments.”
      I am a 78 years old ex-Marine of Korean vintage, a UC Berkeley mathematician, US Naval researcher, computer specialist, Promise Keeper Christian who’s proud to be an American of Chinese heritage

      • 13th Gen. American

        Isnt it funny that all the older, smarter, wiser, finer, true blue, fought for America, Americans see the president and his cronies, dems and gop alike, for what they are. They see where we are going and it aint good. The younger brainwashed anti-God koolaid drinker ones think he is a god and worship him like a rock star. I didnt agree with everything that Bush did but he kept us safe. Obama kisses our enemies ass and they laugh at us. They love him because they know they can get over on him. Bush may not have been perfect but every one knows you cant get over on a cowboy.

      • american

        WELL SAID I AGREE WITH THE 13TH GEN. AMERICAN
        OBAMA IS A FALSE PROPHET AND IN TIME WILL SHOW HIS TRUE COLOR………….AND IT IS NOT RED,WHITE AND BLUE

        • debra

          false prophet hell…….he is the ANTI CHRIST!! Get your affaiirs in order..Oh i guess that really will not matter..Sad how did we allow this to happen??

  • Navy Vet 65

    Here’s something that should scare the hell out of all of us…………………….

    “Dr. Sam Vaknin is an Israeli psychologist. Interesting view on our new president. Dr. Vaknin has written extensively about narcissism.

    Dr. Vaknin states "I must confess I was impressed by Sen.Barack Obama from the first time I saw him. At first I was excited to see a black candidate. He looked youthful, spoke well, appeared to be confident - a wholesome presidential package. I was put off soon, not just because of his shallowness but also because there was an air of haughtiness in his demeanor that was unsettling. His posture and his body language were louder than his empty words. Obama's speeches are unlike any political speech we have heard in American history. Never a politician in this land had such quasi "religious" impact on so many people. The fact that Obama is a total incognito with zero accomplishment, makes this inexplicable infatuation alarming. Obama is not an ordinary man. He is not a genius. In fact he is quite ignorant on most important subjects."

    Barack Obama is a narcissist.

    Dr. Sam Vaknin, the author of the Malignant Self Love believes "Barack Obama appears to be a narcissist." Vaknin is a world authority on narcissism. He understands narcissism and describes the inner mind of a narcissist like no other person. When he talks about narcissism everyone listens. Vaknin says that Obama's language, posture and demeanor, and the testimonies of his closest, dearest and nearest suggest that the Senator is either a narcissist or he may have narcissistic personality disorder (NPD).

    Narcissists project a grandiose but false image of themselves. Jim Jones, the charismatic leader of People’s Temple, the man who led over 900 of his followers to cheerfully commit mass suicide and even murder their own children was also a narcissist. David Koresh, Charles Manson, Joseph Koni, Shoko Asahara, Stalin, Saddam, Mao,Kim Jong Ill and Adolph Hitler are a few examples of narcissists of our time. All these men had a tremendous influence over their fanciers. They created a personality cult around themselves and with their blazing speeches elevated their admirers, filled their hearts with enthusiasm and instilled in their minds a new zest for life. They gave them hope! They promised them the moon, but alas, invariably they brought them to their doom.. When you are a victim of a cult of personality, you don’t know it until it is too late. One
    determining factor in the development of NPD is childhood abuse.

    "Obama's early life was decidedly chaotic and replete with traumatic and mentally bruising dislocations," says Vaknin. "Mixed-race marriages were even less common then. His parents went through a divorce when he was an infant (two years old). Obama saw his father only once again, before he died in a car accident. Then his mother re-married and Obama had to relocate to Indonesia , a foreign land with a radically foreign culture, to be raised by a step-father. At the age of ten, he was whisked off to live with his maternal (white)grandparents. He saw his mother only intermittently in the following few years and then she vanished from his life in 1979. She died of cancer in 1995".

    One must never underestimate the manipulative genius of pathological narcissists. They project such an imposing personality that it overwhelms those around them. Charmed by the charisma of the narcissist, people become like clay in his hands. They cheerfully do his bidding and delight to be at his service. The narcissist shapes the world around himself and reduces others in his own inverted image. He creates a cult of personality. His admirers become his co-dependents. Narcissists have no interest in things that do not help them to reach their personal objective. They are focused on one thing alone and that is power. All other issues are meaningless to them and they do not want to waste their precious time on trivialities. Anything that does not help them is beneath them and does not deserve their attention.

    If an issue raised in the Senate does not help Obama in one way or another, he has no interest in it. The "present" vote is a safe vote.. No one can criticize him if things go wrong. Those issues are unworthy by their very nature because they are not about him. Obama's election as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review led to a contract and advance to write a book about race relations.

    The University of Chicago Law School provided for him a lot longer than expected and at the end it evolved into, guess what? His own autobiography! Instead of writing a scholarly paper focusing on race relations, for which he had been paid, Obama could not resist writing about his most sublime self. He entitled the book Dreams from My Father.

    Not surprisingly, Adolph Hitler also wrote his own autobiography when he was still nobody. So did Stalin. For a narcissist no subject is as important as his own self. Why would he waste his precious time and genius writing about insignificant things when he can write about such an august being as himself? Narcissists are often callous and even ruthless. As the norm, they lack conscience. This is evident from Obama's lack of interest in his own brother who lives on only one dollar per month.

    A man who lives in luxury, who takes a private jet to vacation in Hawaii, and who has raised nearly half a billion dollars for his campaign (something unprecedented in history) has no interest in the plight of his own brother.

    Why? Because, his brother cannot be used for his ascent to power.

    A narcissist cares for no one but himself. This election is like no other in the history of America . The issues are insignificant compared to what is at stake. What can be more dangerous than having a man bereft of conscience, a serial liar, and one who cannot distinguish his fantasies from reality as the leader of the free world? I hate to sound alarmist, but one is a fool if one is not alarmed. Many politicians are narcissists. They pose no threat to others....They are simply self serving and selfish.

    Obama evidences symptoms of pathological narcissism, which is different from the run-of-the-mill narcissism of a Richard Nixon or a Bill Clinton for example. To him reality and fantasy are intertwined. This is a mental health issue, not just a character flaw. Pathological narcissists are dangerous because they look normal and even intelligent. It is this disguise that makes them treacherous.

    Today the Democrats have placed all their hopes in Obama. But this man could put an end to their party. The great majority of blacks have also decided to vote for Obama. Only a fool does not know that their support for him is racially driven. This is racism, pure and simple. The downside of this is that if Obama turns out to be the disaster I predict, he will cause widespread resentment among the whites.

    The blacks are unlikely to give up their support of their man. Cultic mentality is pernicious and unrelenting. They will dig their heads deeper in the sand and blame Obama's detractors of racism. This will cause a backlash among the whites.

    The white supremacists will take advantage of the discontent and they will receive widespread support. I predict that in less than four years, racial tensions will increase to levels never seen since the turbulent 1960's.

    Obama will set the clock back decades... America is the bastion of freedom. The peace of the world depends on the strength of America , and its weakness translates into the triumph of terrorism and victory of rogue nations.

    It is no wonder that Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez, the Castrists, the Hezbollah, the Hamas, the lawyers of the Guantanamo terrorists and virtually all sworn enemies of America are so thrilled by the prospect of their man in the White House. America is on the verge of destruction. There is no insanity greater than electing a pathological narcissist as president.

    • Scarlet4America

      Thank you for an excellent post. I have seen these characteristics in him since before the election. The majority of Americans will wake up after it is too late since so many people are still so mesmerized by him. I will never buy into his programs and his lies. Now how do we enlighten the rest? There will always be those who have to follow a leader and cannot think for themselves, nor discern that something is gravely wrong with Obama’s leadership.

      • PoliSciGirl

        Could you please elaborate on what is so gravely wrong with Obama’s leadership?

        He is a diplomatic and intelligent President…(highly educated) and seeks peace among all nations, when did we become a country whose only goal is to promote war?

        Blacks did not vote for Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton or Caroline Brown who were all Black candidates just because they where Black…maybe you people need to look in the mirror or maybe you can’t because your reflection is too scary.

        For 200 years America has had White Men for presidents and when they were assasinated it was by other white men…minorities are not the problem…it’s your own hateful hearts that is the problem…go ahead and look in the mirror…what do you see?

        • Warrior

          Poliscigirl: you just don’t get do you..This has nothing to with RACE although you think it does, thats seems to be all you know.

        • Scarlet4America

          Where did you get hate out of this or even race for that matter? When I look in the mirror I love what I see because I stand up for what is just, right and what this country has been founded on….having God in our life and our constitutional freedoms. Just because we don’t worship Obama and have our own educated opinions, you resort to your comments. Common sense is all it takes to see right through Obama and his lies. Do you know anyone who ever served in the armed forces? Most of my family has…WWI, WWII, Korean War, Vietnam War and Iraq. Thank God for those who have stood for our freedom and our Constitution.

        • Dickie

          polis girl, You are so blind, About RACE!, It is about COMMUNISM,CHIRSTIANANTY, THE RIGHT TO WORSHIP AS WE WANT!. But if you are a athicst thats find GOD WILL take of you, But when a man that is suppose to be a leader of a country that was formed on chistian values, Weather you like it or not, Tells a colleage to cover up JESUS, Before he will speak, Watch this evil man the next time you see him on any news network, Especially the state runned net works, He will not, & has not looked straight into the camera or to the people,Hitler,satin was & is a smooth talker, Our sorry goverment can”t even run our goverment, What in the hell makes you think they can run health care, I have seen in the past 40 yrs, They have screwed our lives up, And if something is good for us it is GREAT for their pockets, And if you cant see that I truly feel sorry for you, I really do.So wait untill they bring these murrders in America, I hope they make you keep them, You let them show these da– pictures YOU will murrder GREAT Americans, The ones that protect you immorals right to be stupid.

        • Deb

          Dear PoliSciGirl, I think if you will actually READ (LISTENING to would also be good) the posts by people here, you will see that they HAVE elaborated on specifically what is wrong with Obama’s leadership (or lack thereof). The people of this country do NOT promote war, but sometimes it becomes necessary. Saddam Hussein continually disregarded the rules (and anybody want to talk about torture?? Do you have any clue how Hussein treated his people?) and forced us to take action. Bush did not lie – he based decisions (along with CONGRESS) on the information he was given. Heussein’s goal – along with a number of other leaders in the world would be to destroy the US and you are VERY naive to think otherwise. In an ideal world we would all want peace between all nations. Unfortunately, there is no ideal world. My vote had NOTHING to do with race and I highly doubt that race played a factor in most conservatives’ votes. I know of many people that are Black, Hispanic and other minorities that I would have happily voted for had they been running for President, but they weren’t and it appeared that my only option based on his beliefs and policies was John McCain. I do not agree with ALL of his policies, however, I agreed with a great many more than Obama’s. If you ever want this country to see the person and not the race, then you have to stop making everything a race issue! If I haven’t said “I’m not voting for him/her because he’s/she’s black” then DON’T ASSUME that that is why I didn’t vote for him/her! Some of us actually READ what the candidates stand for or against. We need to get back to common sense. While I am all in favor of higher education, there are just some things you can’t learn from books. Life experiences – whether you agree or not – are worth as much as anything you can learn from going to Harvard or Yale. How old are you, PolySci? Get back to us when you have had some life experiences under your belt and let us know how you feel then. Thank you to those who have served this country so that we are FREE to say anything we feel…..no matter how assinine it may be.

    • KATHLEEN LAKE

      That was a great explanation of the players in the previous administration —sounds bigoted to use now !

    • everett

      Organizations are also become narcissists …

      .. such:

      Congress, IRS, FDA, allopathic medical profession,… courts and law enforcement …home land security … all taxing agencies…..etc… and big government

      all deceive us…. all rip us off… all aim their guns at us …no longer are they there for us … all demand our enslavement …

  • http://Comcast Frank King

    I too am very concerned for the future of our country. I never in my wildest dreams imagined it would ever get to this point where we have to worry about our country turning Socialist. You keep wondering if it is possible for the people of this country to wake up before it is too late. Maybe when all of our rights are gone the people will wake up. Too late then. Especially if confiscatory gun laws are passed. The US citizen has a legal right to own guns as advocated in our Constitution. If all the anti-gun nuts have their way, the only people with guns will be the government and criminals. Freedom to start a buisiness and expand is being threatened by rediculous tax’s. The latest problems with big buisiness such as banks and auto manufacturers should not have happened if government would have stepped in sooner. Bad loans for example were encouraged by government officials telling banks to make those loans to poor risks so that everyone could have the American dream whether they could afford it or not. Auto unions, CEO’s, bond and stockholders greed is a large part of the problem.

  • Howard

    Show the pictures of our Americans and others being beheaded, beaten, abused, and their reckless disregard of life itself….. Now, that is punishment.

    The American haters, ACLU, and all of their following are still running true to form, hate, hate, hate…. These are true thugs that have prospered in this great Land…… May they rot in h—…….

    • PoliSciGirl

      Show all of it on both sides… War is good for nobody on either side of the fence. Old White Men lie and millions of people die.

      • 13th Gen. American

        We dont show our side because the muslims kill any one who even slightly insults them. They killed a dutch guy over a cartoon. A CARTOON! They attack first. Then when you defend yourself they get mad and say how dare you attack then. Just look at Israel. The muslims want them wiped off the face of the earth, they said exactly that, and then the Jews catch hell for defending themselves. So what to they have to do with Bush? Nothing they hate like the libs. anyone that doesnt agree with them. Also the bad guys wont be afraid of anything when they see our little smack on the face compared to their cut your head off and stick it on a pole.

    • Dickie

      A MEN HOWARD!!! POLIS GIRL WHY in the HELL dont you get out of AMERICA, YOU RACIST – - – -. MY GOD I hope you cant breed and things like you!. Go see the world & find something better. Go trade places with those two idiots in N. Korea.

  • PoliSciGirl

    The people who feel there is something wrong with Obama’s leadership usually are racists, and lack education. They make up lies and call other people names to make themselves feel better, they use bully tactics (Cheney Folks). Anything that goes against what they believe is normal and their right is a threat.

    I ask what would these so called haters of Obama do, if they were handed the mess Obama was handed from Cheney and Bush?

    How (un) American is it to say you don’t support the Leader of the “Free World”?

    What I see as a sociologists, is that their are many White American’s having a difficult time adjusting to the changing world; they feel threatened and their scared, so they are going to extreme measures buying up arms, joining white supremacist groups, and terrorizing other white folks by using words like (socialist, communist, fascist and dictatorship). The problem is if you ask the same people who throw these phrases out there as scare tactics; the history of the words and the theory behind the words they cannot even explain it to you.

    O’Reilly, Mr. Morris, Glenn Beck-Rush Hannity ,Ingraham , Rove and Levin, oh heck the entire FOX Network and it’s supporters are the culprits that have brought this country down to it’s knees. These people support hate groups and promote un-patriotic points a view to ignorant people who known nothing else but what they’ve been taught and are not willing to step outside their box and see a different point of view.

    As a Malatto person whose Father and Brothers served in the military for the United States of America, they protected and defended a country, who never recognized them for their service because they were Black American’s, but did they say anything un-patriotic about the White President’s they served “NO”

    On the other hand, my mothers father, my grandfather was a Nazi in Vienna Austria (and wouldn’t acknowledge is only Malatto Grandchildren), do I support and stand behind him because he was my grandfather ‘HECK NO” he was an idiot. I have no respect for my Grandfather not even in death…

    THANK GOD the world is changing dramatically and the untold history of the world is coming to the front and all the lies that minorities of all nationalities, cultures and genders have had to assimilate too, for so long, no longer works…it is a wonderful thing to be a witness to the change occurring in the world right now…their is hope for our children to have peace and live together in harmony no matter what skin color they have…without all the ish from the “Good Ol`Boys” (Cheney’s, Rove’s and Bush’s)

    If you are scared hater you should be very scared…because the boogie man is out to get you….cling to your guns fools.

    • poet

      Amen PoliSciGirl!
      Its great to hear a voice of reason in this sea of lunatics. Their mix of religion, fachism, racisism, and stupidity is mind boggling. After the last 8 years of incompetence, how can anybody fear the current adminstration.

      • Warrior

        POET: your just as ignorant and racist as Poliscigirl are you two releated??

        • Dickie

          They probably are, When you have a mixed breeds, There is know telling what comes out, Some people are bron lossers & they love to blame it on others for their failures.

      • Paul Trood

        It is not incompetence that you should fear with this administration. It is their deliberate policies of fraud and deception. If I were you and thank god I’m not, I would buy as much gold as possible for it is not long before your fiat dollars will be pesos and your economy is in the gutter.

        • 13th Gen. American

          Better hide your gold and food because when times get tough the libs will be the first to come knocking at your door.

      • 13th Gen. American

        The term GIRL says it all. You have honorable men who fought in war. Seen the worst of humanity and know the best of America. Then you have these little girls and boys who havnt a clue about the fight against the evil in this world. They look around and call any one who doesnt agree with then names and yet defend the bad guys. I might not know it all but the wisdom and education these men of war have etched in their soul gives them more value in their opinion than any panzy ass professor. They built america to its greatest pinnacle with their blood. Obama and his cronies are tearing it down with the stroke of a pen. You libs are like those people in independence day. Everyone else with some sense was trying to kill the bad guys and there you nut jobs are running to them with I love you signs. All your name calling and liberal point of view does is prove to everyone else why this country is falling apart.

    • Warrior

      POLISCIGIRL: Your free because WHY!!!! This country has freedoms that no other Country has and WHY!!! ploiscigirl with this new so called president you can now KISS it all good-by!! Because of people like you who only vote because of color and not political sence (if you have any) we will soon be SOCIALISTS and I hope you enjoy losing your FREEDOM and everything else. Because baby were in the process of losing it all. GOD, you really sound like you believe in GOD maybe more Muslim than anything. I’m not saying McCain would be better but at least he is a Christian and he loves this country and thats more than I can say for Obama!! He didn’t even grow up here he has no love for the USA, or its people (only himself). Even his wife hates the U.S. and theres an old saying ‘IF YOU DONT LIKE IT HERE LEAVE !!!!!’ go somewhere esle — like CHINA, RUSSIA, or any other Socialist Country and see how WELL they live and what rules YOU have to follow – That is not freedom. You can take your top 3 leaders (Obama,Reed and cheerleader Pelosi and go somewhere else) . The only people under Socialism who enjoy it are those in CHARGE and have the money other than that you live your life as a pauper. ENJOY.

      • poet

        warrior
        Read my comment above. I rest my case.

      • PoliSciGirl

        Is anybody really free? Do you call people listening in on your phone conversations and camera’s watching you everywhere you go freedom? Exactly what is your definition of freedom?

        I am as American, if not more American than you in ever way possibly imaginable and I am going nowhere…

        Do you know your history? Do you understand that greed and de-regulation by men of greed such as the past administration is what has brought us to the point we are at? You do understand what Obama’s doing has been done before in our history when regulations were originally put in place and then companies were released back to the private sector? (I don’t think you know your history very well) check out FDR.

        Please don’t bring up religion (more people have died in the name of religion than any war or disease), I am one of God’s soldiers and I do not label myself as a Christian, Muslim, Jew, buddahist, Hinduist, Catholic, Protestant, Bapist or anything else, but I know GOD is Great in everything he does and there is one God who is over everyone no matter what you label your self as being. (Every knee shall bend and every head shall bow, but is an individual battle for each of us). Everyday Christians lie to god, what makes you think they won’t lie to you?

        McCain is not qualified to be the leader of the free world, he showed us that by his decisions during the election season. He’s a nice man, just not suited to be a leader.

        What are you scared of? Would you consider yourself a racist? What makes you think every Black American votes solely based on color? What is your proof?

        • commonsense

          PoliSciGirl and Poet… You make the most sense. FYI, the post about the supposed narcissism of Obama is just another scam circulating on the internet by fearmongers. Sam Vaknin has written extensively about narcissm, but most of the quotes from this post were written by someone else. Check out snopes for the full story. http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/vaknin.aspas.

          Nacissism? … I don’t think so. Confident?… DEFINATELY!

    • Johnny Mac

      PoliSciGirl, have you been drinking?

      • Victoria

        Johnny Mac…PoliSciGirl has obviously been drinking! She is DRUNK with the POISON of HATRED, ANGER, and Racism. Do not forget the intoxicating BREW of the Socialist Agenda. She obviously is suffering from a serious case of SELF-HATRED, that is directed to the white part of HER OWN heritage. All of this mixed together results in a deadly cocktail that causes the person to eventually implode, destroying themselves and anyone near them!!!

    • Deb

      At least now I’m seeing where your hate and criticism of whites comes from — your Nazi grandfather. There are good and bad in all races, PoliSci. Who do you think it was that freed Europe from the Nazi white supremists?? It was those awful, horrible, predominately “white men” that you are so opposed to. Just because Obama is black doesn’t make him right or better. Just because someone is white doesn’t make them right or better either. Think about what Obama is doing logically. Spending us into oblivion – taking CONTROL of private companies – taking CONTROL of the health care system (Please trust me when I tell you that I lived in Europe and had to use the health care system there and you do NOT want a nationalized healthcare system) – closing GITMO to put TERRORISTS here among us (and they ARE terrorists) where they will use and abuse our prison and judicial systems – using a “blame someone else and don’t take responsibility” attitude…….I’d love to have a real conversation about what’s actually happening in Washington and what the results of those actions are likely to be based on history AND common sense.

    • Victoria

      PoliSciGirl…Your HATRED and PREJUDICE of others is showing. WHO you are is speaking loader than your WORDS! So loud in fact that I can not hear your words. You have have no idea of what race or mixed races that most of the people that are commenting here are themselves, or what mixed races their children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren are for that matter! I am so very sorry you have been hurt by your WHITE family. Not all people would feel that way! If you would really research with an open mind and heart, you will find many, many mixed blood of various founders, and early presidents of our nation. While you are at it research European history, because you will find the same ethnic mixing there. You should never jump to conclusions about someone or their race by the color of their skin or their politics and especially religion or lack of it. You are obviously terribly angry and have been hurt. Maybe you should seek out serious professional help. There are many support groups out here for that sort of pain. Reading a few self-help books might help also. Try spending time helping yourself instead of writing and spewing your anger and hatred on these sites. This goes for ALL obvious racists commenting here. Listen to the serious comments here. Just because of someone not liking Obama or the Socialist Agenda does not make them a racist. I have tears in my eyes (literally) for your pain and anger. But I am shaking inside at your statements with disgust and fear that there are obviously many more just like you out there. Maybe you could also use a good dose of Rev. James David Manning, PHD. He can be found on the net, radio and You Tube. He is from Harlem, NY. Search him out if you really have an open mind and are not frightened to hear a message of Peace, Love and RESPECT given by a Conservative man of your ethnic background. TWO more questions for you, please. Why do you state in your earlier comment “you people”? Who and what are you referring to? Secondly, why are you even on this site? Do you just post here so you have a place to spread your anger, hatred, and socialist ideas? Or just so you can have “you people” to BERATE! You are wasting your time GIRL. You are not converting anyone here!

  • Howard

    Kathleen

    When has a war been well organized, managed, and occurred without injury and death. It is so easy for the democratics and other who do not understand what freedom costs to criticize the “past administration”.

    I am so proud of the previous administration (Bush) because after the islamic facist’s attack on 9-11, my children and yours or your friends and relatives have not been harmed because of the diligence of the “past administration”. Than you Mr. Bush…..

    • rodin

      Iraq was not an “islamic” state. Saddam had a policy of keeping the fanatics away, because they would have usurped his power. Attacking Iraq was the single greatest disaster for US foreign policy in it’s history. We are now more threatened by more groups, we are economically impoverished from blowing trillions of dollars on the war effort and we accomplished nothing except removal of one despot and replaced with a destabilized country with at least three internal warring factions. Yes… thank you Mr Bush…. for screwing up this country worse than any president in history.

      • Paul Trood

        Well said rodin, but was it really Bush or did he orders come from higher? I would put money on the later.

      • Dickie

        Robin everyboby knows you are a total idiot, So why do you keep showing your stupidity, Go find cindy cohand, And join the other lossres,Wonder how she gets around, She must walk because she is against oil, Thats how smart she is.

        • rodin

          Dickie – thank you for your opinion, but I’m a little confused as to which statements you find “idiotic”. Do you have something of intelligence to add here?

    • wey wong

      Amen! Job well done. Let’s see what happens in the next 4 years that we are stuck with Obama. Unless God intervenes, we could see dire consequences for the country; just look at the national debt growing, unemployment growing, etc. worst than with Bush.

    • Deb

      Amen to that Howard!

  • rodin

    There are far too many uneducated haters on this web site. However, there can be some decent arguments made on both sides on this issue. One lady made a very good point that irrespective of how many of our soldiers were killed and mutilated by Bush and Cheney, we would be putting them in further harms way if the photographs were used to incite more hatred against them.

    We’re now at the point where more of our soldiers are dead because of Bush lies than civilians in the twin towers. Given that IRAQ had nothing to do with 9-11, their deaths have been wasted, not to mention the many times more mulitplied limbs and eyes and faces and bodies that were mangled and destroyed. How many vets do you know without a leg, or blinded or mutilated …. all because Bush lied. Are we safer? The only hope we have to make ourselves safer is to again rebuild our reputation with the rest of the world so that we are not seen as their enemy. This is what Obama is doing.

    • PoliSciGirl

      Right on! I love intelligent people.

      • rodin

        I can’t be that intelligent…. I’m wasting rainy days on this website talking to uneducated fools that will never see reason. I’m sure there’s a million more productive things I should be doing other than blowing hot air into the wind. But it’s at least mildly cathartic. You though are a different story… you sound far too young to be wasting your breath on these imbeciles. You won’t be able to educate a single one of them or even hope to have a reasonable debate… Mostly it’s just amusing seeing how far out some of these hillbillies are.

        • Dickie

          Trust us you are not, I just hole you and polsigirl dont breed and raise more fungus, like you.Just please dont ever ever vote no matter who pays or tells you to vote for, Please save America.

        • 13th Gen. American

          They are here just to piss people off. They have no intelligent thoughts for a clear debate. Just a lot of name calling and crying. Dont let them get to you. use them as incentive to get others out to vote this kind of sickness out of office. They are a cancer in american society. They are brainwashed by the media and liberal teachers and well by satan himself. I personally have had great laughs over their rants and they are basically a joke and it really is a shame that they are even in the same blog as our men of honor. I really hate for them to see just how messed up people are in society today. It is a shame that the greatest generation has to witness the worst one in history. I hope they do realize that without them fighting for our freedom we might have gotten to this point sooner.

    • 13th Gen. American

      OK everyone, To sumerize all of what Roden will post is this, to save you the time to read his rants. You all are hateful bigots. Im a liberal wackadoo. Hate,, hate, bigot, meanie, cry cry cry, something about flees and Im perfect in every way and if you all dont agree with me I will flood the blog with the exact same bullshit as above.
      Im full of shit and I cant help blowing hot air into the wind so excuse me.I have issues with God and you and everything about God and you so you all are Hillbilly , trailer trash, cry cry cry you,hate me. Your a big right wing christohurtfullmeanie. (Theres more but the debate will go on and on.) But please whatever you do dont call him names because as in all things liberal they are allowed to call us anything they want and we are to shut up and take it. He is the perfect representation of this liberal President and his cronies so I guess its good for all of to see just how far out in lala land they are. The difference in those fine men in their older years that fought and died for our country and people like him are so far removed from each other its scary and sad. I think its all the drugs people did in the 60′s that mutated the brain cells of the generations after that. I can only pray there are enough good Americans like you Peter, Navy vet, Bob vet and the others. These libs are a disgrace to all things that made this country great. May God help us all.

      • rodin

        Mr 13, sorry I missed your earlier rant. Seems to me that you like to suck and blow. You like to talk about the freedoms we have in this country but you don’t like the people who currently espouse it. You want to change freedom to be “freedom as long as it doesn’t cross your limits”. Shame You’d like to call everyone that believes in civil rights a “disgrace” Perhaps you’d like to join the next assault on the Holocaust museum. You and he seem to have a lot in common. You’re both “good Americans”. Both of you have an identifiable group you “hate”. What made this country great are those that believed in the BIG IDEAS, not the small minded petty bigots that you like to associate with. Take a load off your hatred and think how you can help bring this country back together again instead of dividing it further. The only principle that works in the long run is respect for each other and the granting of equal rights and freedoms for everyone. I’m still not sure why you want to continually argue against the founding principles of our country

        • 13th Gen. American

          Dear roden. Once again you proved my point. I never said anything hateful or called names. I was just telling everyone what you always say, which they can go back to other blogs and read for themselves. YOU DEAR BOY are the one that rants and spews hate and there is proof of it all. We are trying to PROTECT the principles of our country. The ones from the begining. Not the ones you libs make up along the way to get your way. You call names and act all hateful to all of the people who dont agree with you. I dont hate you at all. What it is is called pity. Pity for such delusional people who are fooled by sweet talk, with the help of a prompter, and lies and kiss ass to the special inetrest groups. You really think the libs care about you?!! Its all for power. Give the people what they want no mater how stupid or self involved it is and then they will be beholden to you and keep you in power. Silly little boy. You can dish it but you cant take it. Unlike you and your kind I have no need to shut you up or take you off the airwaves because the majority of the people think you a fool and the liberal talk shit fails. You on the other hand feel threatened by the right and therefore want them silenced. The fairness doctrine is everything but fair. You cant get people to believe your horseshit on their own so you got to MAKE others listen to it or shut the opposing view all together. I know there were alot of people who voted fraudulently through acorn and I know personally of military that didnt get to vote. Your side couldnt win unless you cheat. You can call me all the names you want because I am secure in my self and my God and he told us there would be people like you. Im just so thankful He hasnt let me and mine be deluded by the demonic influence that is running ramped in this country, dems and reps alike. I will be sososo into getting people to vote for anyone but the dems and will be praying that we all who see Obama and his cronies for the fake ass, two faced, lying , cheating anti-Christ sack of shit hypocrites that they all are dont have to suffer the same fate as you. Now if you feel hurt over me calling Obama names and take it personally put on your big boy pants and get over it.

        • rodin

          Mr. 13 – Since you don’t want to stick up for freedom and equality… what “original principles” do you want to protect?

  • poet

    Not only did Iraq have nothing to do with 9/11, Iraq was Iran’s worse enemy. Making Iran stronger was another brilliant Cheney/Bush move.
    Cheney actuality had the nerve to admit that Iraq had no involvement in the attack on the World Trade Center and had no WMD’s.
    The adminstration also poured billions of dollars into Pakistan, a country where Osama is living along with Taliban and Islamic terrorists. Pakistan was run by a right wing general who took over the country by military force. We were trying to sell democracy in the region by supporting a dictator, who refused to touch our enemies. Now that he’s gone Pakistan, a nuclear power, is unstable and Obama has yet another problem.

    • Lin

      rodin & poet:
      Bush & Cheney didn’t lie. Check your facts! The UN gave reports that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction (many liters of Anthrax) prior to our going into Iraq. Obviously, they hid them well or more likely sent them to Syria before our forces got into their country. Also, our economy went to hell in a handbasket as a result of BHO training ACORN how to badger banks & mortgage companies into giving out loans to people with no credit, no down payment, and in some cases no job. Bush warned Barney Frank & Dodd of the potential problems which could and did later happen years earlier. Of course, Barney Frank’s lover was one of the head honcho’s at Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac and Barney & Dodd took no action to stop the bleeding. Otherwise Barney may have had to start providing funds out of his own pocket to keep his lover in a grand lifestyle.

      • rodin

        Wow. you are one seriously deluded person.

        On the UN information argument, almost all of the data the UN relied upon was supplied by the US. Cheney even now admits they lied so please don’t hold on to this argument when even he has finally admitted it.

        And before you speak of economics, please get at least an undergrad degree. You’re spewing uninformed rhetoric with no basis in reality and you’re a fool.

    • american

      SADDAM KILLED OVER 300,000 OR MORE OF HIS OWN PEOPLE…..NOW HE IS DEAD,WHY?……BECAUSE HE WAS A WMD
      IT WAS JUST A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE HE WOULD HAVE NUKED SOME COUNTRY………IN WW11 AMERICA WAITED TO LONG BEFORE REMOVING HITLER………THIS TIME WE ACTED SOONER
      IT WAS A NOBLE THING TO DO
      BUSH WITH GO DOWN IN AMERICAN HISTORY AS ONE OF OUR GREATEST PRESIDENTS,EVEN AGAINST THE LIBERAL OWNED MEDIA’S BRAIN-WASHING…………….THE FACTS ARE THERE AND YOU WONT FIND THEM ON NBC,CNN,MSNBC,NY TIMES,ETC……
      MOST ALL OF AMERICA’S GREATEST PRESIDENTS WERE NOT THAT POPULAR WHILE THEY WERE ALIVE.

      • Paul Trood

        That’s because most were elated when they passed on.

  • New England – USA

    Obama has many the ways of Hitler. Some of Obama’s speeches dublicates Hitler’s speeches.

    • PoliSciGirl

      Tell us oh wise one…which speeches are those so we may compare and contrast?

      • Nevada Man

        Let’s compare what Barry has to say with others:

        I think when you spread the wealth around it’s good for everybody (Barry)
        From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs. (Marx)

        You will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime. (Barry)
        Half a truth is often a great lie. (Franklin)

        In the end, that’s what this election is about. Do we participate in a politics of cynicism or a politics of hope? (Barry)
        He that lives upon hope will die fasting. (Franklin)

    • rodin

      ROTFLMAO Yeah I see his point. Hitler wanted lebensraum to unify the country with Austria. Obama wants ….. CANADA. Hitler spewed hatred against the Jews while Obama puts all the blame on …. little green men from mars. Yeah there’s lots of similarities. You foolish little boy.

    • american

      NEW ENGLAND

      LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE……………IF AMERICA SURVIVES THE FALSE PROPHET OBAMA……..WILL WILL NEVER SEEN ANOTHER LIBERAL-WACKO AS PRESIDENT FOR THE NEXT 100 YEARS

      THIS IS LIKE A BAD DREAM……TO HAVE A FLAG BURNING,AMERICA HATING MUSLIM(WHO VERY WELL COULD BE THE 2ND. WAVE OF THE ATTACK) AS LEADER OF THE SOON TO BE “NOT SO FREE” WORLD
      OBAMA SUCKS AND ITS NOT BECAUSE HE IS BLACK

  • Annie

    I urge all of you posting comments to read the book Saddam’s Secrets by Iraqi General Georges Sada with Jim Nelson Black. It will open your eyes to the fact that there were WMDs.

    • New England – USA

      Oh yes indeed Annie; there were WMD in Saddam’s Iraq. All one needs do is use the Google and type into it:

      Saddam’s WMD – Syria

      (He had his WMDs tunneled to Syria!!!!)

  • New England – USA
    • rodin

      Yeah lots of credibility there. You just a really big fool.

      • New England – USA

        Hey there rodin: The truth hurts! Doesn’t it??

        Now go change your diaper because it’s full of your crap.

        • rodin

          I’m trying to see where there’s any “truth” All you’ve got is a whole lot of empty rhetoric where I can insert anybody’s name into it. I’ll rely more on accomplished deeds, thank you very much.

          The truth is that Bush put us into a stupid war where we now have more dead American soldiers than died in both of the twin towers. The truth is that Iraq had NOTHING to do with the twin towers yet Bush lied and used that as justification (and you believed it). The truth is that tens of thousands of servicemen had their arms or legs blown off because he lied. The truth is that we as a nation were put a much greater risk of another 9-11 because of the increased hatred the world felt towards us. The truth is that we threw away hundreds of millions of dollars trying to keep kids from having sex instead of teaching them birth control. The truth is that we lost billions of dollars in research because Bush didn’t like where stem cells come from. Which truth are you talking about?

  • New England – USA

    President George Walker Bush will go into the history books as the greatest USA President.

    If Obama isn’t impeached for fraud and treason against the USA; then he will go down in the history books as the most hateful and deceitful President concerning the USA.

    ORANT

    • rodin

      I see your point – George Bush responsible for 10′s of thousands of American deaths and dismemberments, taking the greatest economic surplus of our generation and turning it into a massive deficit (even before the current financial crisis), making America the most hated nation on Earth, throwing away the constitution and bill of rights, making a buffoonery of the office of president on par with what a Billy Carter administration would have been, and turning our economy into a mercantilist heaven with Cheney’s corporations getting billions of government largesse.

      Obama on the other hand, immediately went to work to dismantle the most hated of Bush’s policies by allowing stem cell research and trying to close Guantanamo. The research brought billions of dollars back to NY and LA, while we finally saw how far down the moral ladder we had gone with the tortures we had performed under Cheney. Obama wants to regain the moral high ground and I see nothing wrong with that. He sets a time table to get us out of Iraq, he refocusses us on Afghanistan where the real Taliban and Alqueda are and where Bush dropped the ball. He makes real efforts at trying to resolve the worldwide antipathy towards us.

      Yeah based on that, Obama can’t possibly be any good. Get over your bigotted hatred and start thinking with the few brain cells you might have left.

    • poet

      orant
      You are kidding of course. And tell me your not really from New England.
      What in hell would lead you to believe that Bush wasn’t the dumbest president in at least in the last 100 years?
      Obama impeached? He’s got a 63% approval rateing, even with fools like you in opposition.

      • Dickie

        that is what you get from a communism news network great day uh.

        • rodin

          Dickie – you are a treasure of thoughtful and insightful commentary. One of these days, I’d really like to hear some of your backup material.

    • Paul Trood

      WOW man what drugs are you on? G.W. Bush will be remembered as the most uneducated, ignorant, foolish and misguided president in the current history of the United States. But he will be remembered as a great orator, LOL…

  • poet

    Andy Barr – Tue Jun 2, 12:13 pm ET
    Former Vice President Dick Cheney says there was “never any evidence” that Saddam Hussein’s Iraq played any role in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on New York and Washington.

    “On the question of whether or not Iraq was involved in 9/11, there was never any evidence to prove that,” Cheney said during an interview Monday night with Fox News’ Greta Van Susteren.

    “There was some reporting early on, for example, that Mohammed Atta had met with a senior Iraqi intelligence official,” Cheney said. “But that was never borne out.”

    Just a little mistake. It only cost us 4000 + dead and nearly a trillion dollars. oops!

  • http://none Darlene F Burgi

    The bottom line: This is not about war . . . nor about race . . . it is about freedom. FREEDOM! Obama is smooth. He gives a wonderful presentation of self . . . he can please all with his words, but look at what he does . . . look at those he has chosen to served with him. Another example: He talks of how force is not the answer — force will solve nothing . . . HOWEVER, those doctors and nurses who have dedicated themselves to health and do not believe in abortion face being FORCED to participate in the abortion process or lose there jobs. This type of thing is happening in every facet of our lives. Neither is this about education . . . it is about TRUTH. WHERE are we are getting our education? It is evident that those who favor Obama are following PBS news and other media now in control. They feel intelligent just because they watch PBS. They are being led along by the Pied Piper. We’d better be on our knees thanking God that we still have those who are willing to dig and search and put truth out for people who will open themselves to it.

    • poet

      Darlene
      Are you thanking God or the late Jerry Fallwell or maybe Pat Robertson.
      Whose your pied piper? Is it Rush or Sean or the Fox news right wing slant. Where do you get your self rightous version of truth?

    • PoliSciGirl

      To learn the “TRUTH” you must listen to both sides of the argument with an open mind, then do some additional research to support your findings.

      Most people believe in their “TRUTH” they grew up with (this being the belief system installed by your environmental surroundings.

      “You can tell a person there are a million stars in the sky and they will believe you, tell them the bench has wet paint on it and they will need to touch it.”

      A person who lacks conscious, will even lie to themselves, as evident on this blog of Bush & Cheney lovers. “THEY LIED TO YOU”. “NO WMD’s”

      You can’t handle the “TRUTH”

  • poet

    The greatest US president speaks:

    “Satellite photographs reveal that Iraq is rebuilding facilities at [past nuclear] sites.” — Speech to the nation (10/7/2002).

    “U.S. intelligence indicates that Saddam Hussein had upwards of 30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agents.” — State of the Union Address (1/28/2003).
    “They could still be hidden, like the 50 tons of mustard gas on a turkey farm.” –Bush News Conference: Iraqi weapons of mass destruction (04/13/04) [9]

    “I’m sure something will pop into my head here in the midst of this press conference, with all the pressure of trying to come up with an answer, but it hadn’t yet.” –Bush News Conference (04/13/04) [10]

    “Bring Them On.” — says Bush of Iraq attacks (7/2/03)[2].

    “Do I think faith will be an important part of being a good president?
    Yes, I do”.

  • New England – USA

    Time out for a bit of fun:

    http://www.billsretroworld.com/index.htm

    (enjoy!!)

  • http://none Darlene F Burgi

    Poet,

    My Pied Piper is Heavenly Father and me — He speaks to my inner knowing. In such times as we face today, there can only be ONE Pied Piper that any of us can really depend upon as we listen and try to decipher truth.

    About President Bush . . . he had many around him giving him guidance. He made mistakes and I’m sure he received some false information from those he may have trusted. . . . . There were also many who desired his destruction . . . I, too, believe he will some day be shown to be one of our strong presidents. How could anyone endure what he endured without being a strong and courageous man? He was not being empowered by the media . . . he was being wrongly stripped of respect and lied about, but he continued to serve as he felt would best serve this country and its people. Laura is just as courageous.

    • PoliSciGirl

      To learn the “TRUTH” you must listen to both sides of the argument with an open mind, then do some additional research to support your findings.

      Most people believe in their “TRUTH” they grew up with (this being the belief system installed by your environmental surroundings.

      “You can tell a person there are a million stars in the sky and they will believe you, tell them the bench has wet paint on it and they will need to touch it.”

      A person who lacks conscious, will even lie to themselves, as evident on this blog of Bush & Cheney lovers. “THEY LIED TO YOU”.

      Sweetie…you can’t handle the “TRUTH”

      • obuzzoff

        A person who lacks conscious, will even lie to themselves, as evident on this blog of Bush & Cheney lovers. “THEY LIED TO YOU”.

        If a person lacks conscious is in a coma right?

    • Paul Trood

      Darlene Bush and Cheney set up their own executive (internal) branch of the intelligence community to first cherry pick and then subtly distort intel to sell the war in Iraq. They weren’t lied to, they created the lies.

  • http://aol.com John Reardon

    FORGET THE PHOTOS WHY doesnt the ACORN group open the books or OBAMA force them to open the books to the corruption and theft of american citizens tax money that was a ponzey scheme to help OBAMA make his quest to be president
    This is a narcissist who lied and scammed millions to get his control over the #1 nation in the world. He has done more damage in four months than any other president in history. If you dont know what a narcissist is look it up Jim Jones the one who led the church to committ suicide was a narcissist….beware people what you think and believe is a false image…lets forget photos of evil vermin terrorists who killed more people than pearl harbor WWII. Lets get to the theft corruption and stealing of money from taxpayers by ACORN and OBAMA
    US Army retired hard

  • obuzzoff

    Paul Trood “Safer under Bush my ass” Nobody cares about your ass which seems to be doing all the talking. My youngest son was in Iraq for 3yrs. He has countless number of pictures of little children mostly, some men and women holding their thumbs up to the soldiers as they pass by. I think the only ones that don’t want us there for the most part are the terrorists. When the media cherry pics clips of demonstrations aginst us your impressed? You need to think what would happen to the the people in Iraq if they took to the street in support of us. The previous group would shoot them right.
    It appears to me that you have accidently brushed your teeth with Preparation H. I think that is why you are talking like an *hole.

    • rodin

      My apologies if this is a little insensitive, but you were duped conned and lied to and your son was put needlessly in harms way. It’s true that many Iraqis love the fact that we “liberated” them from Saddam. But at what cost. So far 100′s of thousands of Iraqi’s are dead because of the power vacuum that Saddam’s removal created. At least three groups that previously were forced to live together now fight each other daily. It’s a continually shifting power situation with no real end in sight.

      I’m going to say this once lest you misinterpret me. I NEVER LIKED SADDAM. However, in the context of what and where he was, we had NO business going in and killing 4000 of our own troops and maiming 10′s of thousands of others. What did America get out of it. More SECURITY? Are you nuts… The rest of the world hates us more than ever, MORAL INTEGRITY? Why IRAQ and not an easier target like Rwanda when millions were being killed, why not North Korea, why not Belgrade or any of a hundred small tinpot dictatorships some of which we actually set up. This argument ranges from disingenuous at best to incomprehensibly stupid in the middle to Machiavellian at its worst. MAYBE WE WANTED SOME OF THOSE PETRODOLLARS – Hah, we told the Iraqi’s to keep their money even as oil rose to 150/barrel last year. MAYBE IT WAS TO PREVENT ANOTHER 9-11 – This argument is ludicrous, while Saddam was in power, Al quaeda was not welcome in IRAQ, nor were any Islamic militants because that would have been a threat to Saddam’s power. Now, after we removed Saddam, the only source of power is through the religious mullah’s and Al-Quaeda is the most powerful force against the government. THE ONLY REASON TO GO INTO IRAQ was to transfer billions of dollars of fine American tax dollars into Cheney’s pet companies.

      Look at it another way – Your son was almost killed because the vice president was greedy and the president was stupid.

    • Paul Trood

      obuzzoff it is a shame that your son has had to fight in an illegally constructed war, one that was created out of lies and distorted facts. You say Iraqi children give the thumbs up as your son passes by but I bet the relatives of the over 1 million innocent dead Iraqi’s do not. It was never about freeing a repressed people, it was about oil and changing the geo-political structure of the middle east to suit Israel. Cheney has now stated that their was never any connection between S.H. and 911. The whole thing was a con. So blow that out your unintelligent *ss.

      • obuzzoff

        I have noticed that people like you are always placing yourself on a higher intelligent level than those that don’t agree with you. I feel that you have an extremely large ego, a tremendous amount of arrogance and you are a waste of time. I can not understand how anyone can think that when it takes a biased media, all of Hollywood and hundreds of millions of dollars to get an individual elected as president that it is an accomplishment. The Dems had to campaign for eight years and lie every step of the way. I left the dems when Clinton was elected. I did think the Bush Sr & Jr were better for the country but I did notice that Clinton, Bush, Bush, and Obama are working for the same people and it is not us. I think in the next few years you are going to be horrified at what this administration is going to do to this Country. I would recommend to someone of your superior intellect the Theory of CHAOS. Read it and keep up with all versions of world events dismissing nothing as irrelevant and don’t forget to read between the lines.

        • Paul Trood

          No big ego here. I do agree with much of what you say. In my view your last REAL president was JFK. For all his flaws he stood up to the M.I.C. and was his own man. No one since can justifiably make that claim. For what it’s worth I have a masters in political science, a physics degree and are licensed to fly B737, 727 aircraft. So if makes me smarter than the average Joe you I won’t argue
          I don’t just read

  • Fox News TV Channel42

    If you want to learn the truth in the news then watch Fox…

  • Salmon

    Funny, how the Obamanotors accuse everyone who doesn’t hold their opinion, of being unable to think, being stupid etc. Most of which the infidels are accused of are the very thing the Obamanators are doing, have become, or have seen in the mirror once they looked, and didn’t like. I hope if it comes to it, they have the courage to stand up for the Constitution alongside the folks who they disagree with.

    • PoliSciGirl

      Here’s a quote from one of my favorite writers:

      “I do not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it.” Voltaire

    • rodin

      Salmon – have you read some of the comments from the right wing on this website? I believe most of the attacks come first from that quarter. This country was borne of a nascent liberal philosophy of freedom, civil rights and protections from government. It appears the this same liberal philosophy is under such attack the very word “liberal” is now used as an insult.

      Name calling – evil, disgrace, unamerican, stupid, uninformed, sheep, etc… These are words that are used by the right on this site to describe anybody they don’t agree with. You yourself stepped in to it by using the term Obamanotor and trying to callously group all those with a different opinion than yourself into a rhetorically named group. Please …. first stones…

      • 13th Gen. American

        All names of which you yourself have used. Even worse.

        • rodin

          Doesn’t that just prove my point that names are used by both sides. You can’t suck and blow…. call people names and then take the high ground. Your idiocy is showing.

        • 13th Gen. American

          You call names out of anger and hate. Like bigot and raciest and trailer trash. Names that little children call each other. You dont know what any of us look like or where we live or anything but you choose to call personal names. Calling Obama a liar, anti-christ like, hypocrite , is stating a fact by his actions. just because you cant see them doesnt mean he isnt them. You and a few others have called people haters and such,and Ive read their stuff, and there is nothing hatefull about them. They are facts. FACTS. You are the one that says stop calling names but every post you have is filled with them. I could care less what you put if it wernt for your hypocricy in it all and the Fact your just here to stir up shit and not providing a decent thought.

  • Bob – Newport Navy Base Rhode Island

    Take away Obama’s telepromters and what do you get? Just another jabbering monkey!!

    It’s time that he walks the plank… and goes overboard!!

    • poet

      Obama is bright, educated, articulate, and a true American. He’s the right man at the right time for this country. He inherited an enourmous deficit, a failing economy, and 2 wars. In a little more than 100 days he’s already made progress and there’s a lot more to come. By the end of his second term he will be greatly respected.

      • rodin

        I think he’s already greatly respected.

      • 13th Gen. American

        I bet you do just love him. Then you wont have to work a day in your life and just leach from those who do. I think we should just call him robin hood. Steals from the rich and gives to the poor.

        • rodin

          I don’t see how he’s “stolen” anything from the rich. He’s been in office four months and so far has shepherded this dismal economic and financial crisis extremely well. Regarding so-called socialistic plans for medicare, he is taking advice from all the private health care insurers as well as the doctors and hospitals and economists and policy makers and legislators – now is the time to provide your feedback instead of just sitting back and bitching. It appears the entire movement is bipartisan now so there are lots of republicans you can effect change through as well. I just don’t understand your desire to sit and complain. Get educated, talk to your congressman, provide feedback, listen to others….

          A society always tends towards the mean and is stronger when the vast majority are included. Everytime the gap between rich and poor increases in every country in history, there has always been an eventual countervailing push back to the mean. During Bush we saw huge amounts transferred to corporate America and away from the general population. During eight Bush years, the average net income of the top 10 percent increased while the remaining 90% watched their real incomes and share of the national surplus.

          If you want to talk specific economic policies of either Bush or Obama, then bring it on… but it’s getting very tiring listening to your rants that go nowhere and mean nothing.

        • 13th Gen. American

          YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!! Where have you been the last 4 months? He promised unemployment wouldnt go past 8% and if we didnt do what he said it would go to 9%. Well dear heart, without the new car dealers being closed the figure is pushing 10%.Also Obama has given Unions. Acorn,the banks, the car company’s, insurance company’s, Fannie and freddie and on and on and on trillions of dollars. ALL BIG companys. Also big companies incomes naturally increase with investments and intrest on their dollar. Right after Obama gave them money they STUFFED their pockets with bonuses, Every one had a fit but it is in their contracts to get yearly bonus. Do they deserve it for failing companys? Probably not but it was in their contract. The rich employ the middle class. The rich donate tons of money to non profits and to groups that you love. For tax reasons or not they still do it. I am very middle but have a great life where I live in a very nice neighborhood. I dont hate the rich at all. Doing well in life and wanting to achieve success is what made this country great. Do you think there would be hundreds od the most impressive librarys if the Andrew Carnegie were alive today. Or the Mellons being able to give in todays standards trillions to schools and institutes and the like. Lets take Mc Donalds and Wal-Mart.. Started out with 1 store. 1 regular guy just just doing his thing. Today they are the huge corporations you speak of that employ 10′s of thousands of people all over the world. Good for them. Without the insentive to grow and succed without your hard earned money being “STOLEN” through taxes being raised to an impossible level there will be no people who want to do what they do. The progressive agenda promotes mediocrity. People are not going to want to climb to a higher level of success just to have it STOLEN through taxes and given to someone who doesnt work for it. The libs say they hate it but they are ones themselves. Look at some of the incomes of the dems and they are way richer than the reps.Do you think the people in DC do it for a love of us? They get paid very well and then the perks that come with it are of an even greater value. They get paid for life. They are all very wealthy. Where do you think Obama is getting all this money? He is printing it in his basement and borrowing it from China. Did you ever borrow 10 bucks from a friend? They want it back sooner or later. They dont care if your friends they want it back. China is not our “friend” They are going to want it back. Where will all this come from? TAXES. ALL of us. There thinking of putting a tax on EVERYTHING. 24-25% on every little thing on top of the state tax. YOU will be bitchen for sure when it starts to come out of your pocket.

      • 13th Gen. American

        PLUS he’s just so pretty, I like his shiny teeth. I have his poster on my wall and a table with candles and I pray to him every night. Roden and I cut out pretty hearts and put “poet and roden love obama”and when were done singing kumba we scribble mustache’s on Bush’s pictures.

        • Paul Trood

          You people talk as if there are vast differences between Bush (rep) and Obama (Dem), what you and most others here fail to see that the only differences are minor insignificant details that create the illusion of differing policies. In reality the agendas are the same whilst the mechanisms used to achieve them are different. Governments worldwide count on their citizens taking things on there surface value without using their intellect, if indeed they have any, to look beyond the spin, the falsities to see the true values and reasons behind policy. Eg. People say Obama is a socialist with his medical policy and purchasing the car companies, bailout etc. but who is to say that this was not a long term goal where the conditions for such policies were seeded long ago by prior administrations under the guidance of those who really control government policy but are not a part of the government.

    • Navy Vet 65

      Hi New Port Navy Base I was stationed in New Port after my Med cruise

  • Wilma

    Obama’s father was a Muslim. His stepfather and his grandfather were Muslim.
    I suggest you look up The Obama File .com and read is carefully. Obama is not a “natural born citizen” Then try reading America Wake Up.com Also read – Apathetic-USA-main page
    Take off your blinders. if you dare!!

    • poet

      But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
      -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782

      Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.
      -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787

  • The Holy Cow Farm – Maine USA

    Now Obama wants to put a tax on my cows just because my cows chew their cud and pass gas through their rectum. I can go for putting a tax on my wife for chewing gum and passing her gas through her ass hole.

  • Darlene Burgi

    I subscribe to “Change.org” — Obama’s site to give some direction to his “sheep.” I printed and read his entire speech given in Saudi. Just a couple of facts to let you know I am looking at both sides and being “open-minded.” If you cannot view the media and see how propagandized it is to the liberal mind set, then open-minded is not an adjective which describes you. Obama did not “inherit” anything — he was practically handed on a silver plater by the “powers that be”(media and money power) the opportunity to assist in the socialization at best of this divinely founded nation. If he takes America down, which clearly seems to be the path he is on, he will take the rest of the world down with him. Watch, as those which whom he has surrounded himself, strive to destroy one freedom after another. Even many of the people now sit waiting to be handed “life” on a platter, as he was. ‘A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.’
    Thomas Jefferson

  • Darlene Burgi

    Interesting that Palosi is caught in the middle of her lies right now but Obama does not care, the media does not care . . . . they will help her get through, for her liberal agenda supports their cause of socialization. Can you not understand that the media lies. Truths are twisted into lies. Truth can be withheld for good. Truth in reality — for most of us — because of the way life is, can only come through the spirit and that comes from a divine power to your soul, after all the reading and searching you can do. You can call that a self-righteous statement if you want, HOWEVER, in my way of seeing things . . . depending on God is not self-righteous . . . IT IS DEPENDING ON SELF and MAN THAT IS SELF-RIGHTEOUS. Those who have not known the voice of the spirit may try to condemn those who do, but it is not possible.

    • poet

      Darlene
      You may be looking at both sides but you are definately not open minded.
      You talk about the news media as though they were one gigantic, homogeneous conspiracy to derail your biased thinking. Lots of Rush input there. Then comes the paronoia. Everybody is out to screw you over and deny you everything including your personal notion of God.
      It was Bush who was handed balanced budgets and a warless, comparativly healthy economy. Eight years of insanity put an end to that. Thank God for Obama.

      When you talk to God make sure you get the truth – not your version of it.

      Good Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions.
      – Rev Jerry Falwell, quoted Freethought Today, December, 1999,

      • http://none Darlene F Burgi

        Poet,
        If you mean by “open-minded” that I accept everything that comes into my mind — I certainly don’t qualify. If you mean by “open-minded” that I’m willing to receive input from all sources, I am open-minded. I enjoy Rush, but only once every couple of years or so, if I’m fortunate. I never listen to Jerry Falwell. I seek truth in all POSITIVE sources and pray for truth to be revealed and confirmed by God.

        There is no doubt that the main stream media is full of propaganda, twisted to carry out their plan. Years ago, Ronald Reagan said, “You can’t tell me much about communism, they’ve been in control of Hollywood for years.” That’s paraphrased. I have no desire to contend with the liberal left. I hold fast to certain absolute truths . . . FREEDOM is God given. Men who take it serve an evil power. TRUTH itself is light and will — in the end — overcome. Battles may be lost, but the war will be won. I would love nothing more than to see us as a people become “one” in purpose so we can have peace and be able to enjoy developing and contributing our own talents and skills to serve humanity. The problem is . . . there IN FACT ARE those who care only about their own power and glory. They are not to be reasoned with — that means they are unreasonable. Changing the subject — look at “change.org” examine the issues pushed. They are mostly weak, shallow, and often contradictory. Then there are those who have their own “issue.” They will do anything to try and prove they are right or get their way or way of life approved. I speak of those too shallow to even give birth to the life they have created so that some deprived and loving couple can enjoy that life and so they can overcome, and continue to progress in light. I speak of those who push to change the laws of nature, which of course is impossible. They may get many naive souls to THINK THEY ARE SHOWING compassion by allowing such, but it is not so. I speak of those trying to silence the “right” or conservative voice by calling us “hate” mongers. When it is they who are the “hate” mongers. They hate hearing the truth that tells them of their wrong choices — By the way, I do understand that we all make wrong choices. It’s just that some have learned to admit that and work to overcome. There is a way for those who truly seek. There is a way to either overcome OR BEAR THE BURDEN GIVEN US and WE ALL HAVE OUR BURDENS. I’m quite sure this is falling on deaf ears — even creating animosity, so I will close. I have also learned that people say more about themselves in what they write than they do about others. I will not visit this site again.
        PS I learned that replying directly to your email through this site was possible when I received your reply to my email. So, I’m copying and pasting this as a reply directly to you. I apologize for the duplication on the site, but feel the thread has come to an end anyway (smile).

        • Scarlet4America

          Great blog! It didn’t fall on deaf ears! Keep being open-minded as you are and those of us are being this way will reclaim America’s in 2010.

        • 13th Gen. American

          TRANSLATION: You are not open minded because you do not agree with me.
          You are a hater because you are not kissing my ass saying Im right. You are a bigot because you hate him because he is black, even if you yourself are black.You are stupid because you think different than me. You are against freedom because you dont let me ramble my ainti-american bull shit without any retort.

          Look up hypocrite and youll find “SEE LIBERAL”

  • PoliSciGirl

    I find that people who use religion to justify their arguments are usually the biggest hypocrites out there. Love God and hate hypocrites.

    Yes…I openly admit I am a racists (I hate stupid people), I am Black and White (mixed), and I hate people of both colors equally, for my own personal reasons..and I am not ashamed to say it…Got a problem with it? I will equally talk about the issues with both sides and what I see as problems with their thinking.

    News Flash: This is about power, money and resources, the previous administrations wanted the oil, so they did whatever was necessary to justify going to war.

    The Muslims do not like the fact that America is so concerned with taking the resources, and destroying what they consider sacred holy land that they are willing to die for it in the name of Allah.

    We are building Military Basis and Embassy’s where they had mosque’s which we destroyed, America is trying to colonize the Middle East to steal the resources…that’s what the fight is about.

    9/11 was in part orchestrated by the American Government as hard as some of you may find it to believe. Osama Bin Laden is good friends with the Bush’s …Hell how many times did Bush Sr. stay in Osama’s fathers palace? It was all about strategic planning America needed a passage into the Middle East to get the resources (look at a map, what better place than Iraq it puts us in the middle where we can conquer and divide). Think people…

    For Muslim’s it’s about God’s holy land, for Christians it’s about Greed as usual, (and no I’m not defending either ideology and do not claim either)

    I don’t trust the government (No matter who is President Black or White), nor do I trust the terrorist (No matter what cause they are fighting for). People are crazy and fanatical and in the end it’s always about the same thing Power, Money and Resources.

    Remember – (He who has the Gold…Rules)

    • http://none Darlene F Burgi

      PoliSciGirl,

      I feel your heart . . . and agree with a lot of what you have said. I feel sad that you have NOT YET, come to know that you may be purple, or green, but MORE IMPORTANTLY you are a divine daughter of God. I believe, as I read your words that you will some day know this for yourself.

      Moving on, I would hate to think that I must depend on my own intellect or the intellect of others in deciding truth and error. To me — from my perspective — those who depend on such are the self-righteous ones. They take righteousness, power, conceit, unto themselves. Or perhaps it is also those who abuse what they think is righteousness — those who FEEL righteous and condemn others who they judge to be not quite SO GOOD as they. However, to speak of God and absolute truths does not necessarily mean one thinks they are righteous — it could mean they recognize as reality, feel a need for, and seek the source of absolute power. For now it seems that “he who has the gold rules.” But it is not so and will not always appear to be so.

      The happily ever after will not come for us here. This life is a test. But it will come to those who have the faith to seek and follow truth — trusting in that power who draws us to Him in LOVE, yet giving us the FREEDOM to choose and become.

    • 13th Gen. American

      OK NOW. She has just gone to another dimension of lala land and is dragging us with her. Have at it you nut jobs.

  • http://none Darlene F Burgi

    Poet,
    If you mean by “open-minded” that I accept everything that comes into my mind — I certainly don’t qualify. If you mean by “open-minded” that I’m willing to receive input from all sources, I am open-minded. I enjoy Rush, but only once every couple of years or so, if I’m fortunate. I never listen to Jerry Falwell. I seek truth in all POSITIVE sources and pray for truth to be revealed and confirmed by God.

    There is no doubt that the main stream media is full of propaganda, twisted to carry out their plan. Years ago, Ronald Reagan said, “You can’t tell me much about communism, they’ve been in control of Hollywood for years.” That’s paraphrased. I have no desire to contend with the liberal left. I hold fast to certain absolute truths . . . FREEDOM is God given. Men who take it serve an evil power. TRUTH itself is light and will — in the end — overcome. Battles may be lost, but the war will be won. I would love nothing more than to see us as a people become “one” in purpose so we can have peace and be able to enjoy developing and contributing our own talents and skills to serve humanity. The problem is . . . there IN FACT ARE those who care only about their own power and glory. They are not to be reasoned with — that means they are unreasonable. Changing the subject — look at “change.org” examine the issues pushed. They are mostly weak, shallow, and often contradictory. Then there are those who have their own “issue.” They will do anything to try and prove they are right or get their way or way of life approved. I speak of those too shallow to even give birth to the life they have created so that some deprived and loving couple can enjoy that life and so they can overcome, and continue to progress in light. I speak of those who push to change the laws of nature, which of course is impossible. They may get many naive souls to THINK THEY ARE SHOWING compassion by allowing such, but it is not so. I speak of those trying to silence the “right” or conservative voice by calling us “hate” mongers. When it is they who are the “hate” mongers. They hate hearing the truth that tells them of their wrong choices — By the way, I do understand that we all make wrong choices. It’s just that some have learned to admit that and work to overcome. There is a way for those who truly seek. There is a way to either overcome OR BEAR THE BURDEN GIVEN US and WE ALL HAVE OUR BURDENS. I’m quite sure this is falling on deaf ears — even creating animosity, so I will close. I will not visit this site again.

  • s c

    The ACLU wants to save America from itself – again. An ACLU attorney questions Obama’s transparency/accountability, but no one took the time to seek out America’s high priest [Al Gore] or our resident Queen of Social Justice [Nancy Pelosi]. How do we correct this gravitas-class sin? We must confess our sins at the feet of the Most Holy World Court. Then, we can atone for our many sins, and everyone will love us (a nation must have priorities). IF the ACLU and the other ‘humanitarian’ groups don’t charge more than one dollar per group for their legal fees, the world will know this isn’t a case of justice-for-sale. Why can’t everything be this simple? Forgive us, World Court and ACLU, for America is a nation of miserable, sinning mortals. America must be punished!

  • American Citizen

    Quite frankly, during the campaign, every time Obama’s picture came up on the TV screen, it made my skin crawl. And it still does. I got bad vibes even worse than I did from Clinton. I don’t see how people see him as so charismatic. His voice is hard to listen to as he is so strident in his delivery. If it were not for the dozen teleprompters he has, he couldn’t give a coherent speech. Notice his gaffs whenever he doesn’t have one in front of him. His policies are destroying this country. I, too, am a senior citizen and the young people deny our wisdom to their doom.

    • PoliSciGirl

      People please! (You make me laugh till I cry)

      As for the older people making comments of how scared they are of Obama (The Boogey Man) it was “Your Bad Attitudes and Greediness” that brought America to the mess it is in today. Obama has been in office a whole four months, I find it incredibly insane that you are trying to blame him for the past 50 years of mistakes that have been made.

      Be scared…be very…very scared…you idiots.

      As a matter a fact, many of you have claimed to be Christians…well read your bibles a little more cause the change that is coming is inevitable and there is nothing you can do to stop it… not even with weapons.

      I can’t wait until the first Latino President comes to America….y’all are going to lose your minds completely…well get ready He/She is coming! All your hate is very saddening…you accuse me of being a racist, and not understanding…I totally get it. I am so glad I grew up around people from all over the world, that are different shapes, sizes and colors who speak multiple languages, you make me realize the world in which we live in is much prettier than your world.

      I totally encourage mixed marriages and hope that the next generations will mix more than ever in history, just to make your skin crawl.

      Just because your older does not necessarily mean your wiser and if the younger generations continue to live with your prejudices and bigotry we will be doomed. “Thanks but no Thanks”

      • 13th Gen. American

        Its all about race with you libs. But not for us. You just see the skin. We see the man inside the skin and THAT is whats scary.

  • http://personallibertyiswhatimon Kathy

    I would NOT release them either. The islamists facists hating & wanting to kill ALL non-believers are abusing 7 year old and forcing them into marriage in Tennessee and otehr states in our unions. They are very vicious, evil hateful and torturous kind of people that saw heads and hands off with kitchen knives or whatever they can get their hands on…

    they are not being tortured where they are then, now are they ??? Releasing the photos will only give them more cause to hate our government and attempt to take it over. CAIR lies all the time, the muslims lie all the time, even to claim they never seen the muslim that murdered a newly enlisted young man, so I say to hell with them.

  • s c

    Why waste time with so-called torture photos? Your transparent leader did not hesitate to force newly-elected libs to line up to ‘back’ legislation and funding so the US can remain in Iraq/Afhganistan. In other words, GB was ‘wrong’ to put us there, but it’s just so MORAL for Obama to keep us there. THEY WERE SO FAST TO FORGET! Are these not the same janusites who couldn’t wait to get us OUT? Aren’t these the same ‘superior beings’ who whizzed and moaned DAILY about the US
    being in that part of the world? Once again, their brazen, absolute hypocrisy marches on and on! God be praised! HE bypassed our useful idiot media – again – to give us the T R U T H !

  • http://stenn150@mindspring.com H.O.Tennant

    As a veteran of W!! & Korea I feel that veteran’s benefits are being weakned every day. Each and every one of those who put thier very lives on the line deserves every
    benefits they receive !

  • http://Yahoo muchado

    I’m looking at the fall of the human race world wide. There has been no civilization that has lasted since the beginning of humankind.The world will destruct at the hands of it’s own people because of greed,corruption, and yes religion also.I have a daughter and two grandchildren and it breaks my heart that WE THE PEOPLE OF EARTH will turn this beautiful world into ashes.Why buy gold when we’ll all be dead at the hands of the people that live on Earth? The next world war will be fought with sticks and stones, that will be all that is left if any people survive.

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