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Resurrect the Principles of ‘98

March 22, 2010 by  

Resurrect the Principles of ‘98

For 15 months there has been a growing opposition to the increasing encroachment of the Federal government over the rights of its citizens. It finally reached a crescendo last week as the House worked to steamroll Obamacare through despite objections by the vast majority of the electorate.

The past 12 months have been extremely frustrating for many. People voiced their opposition to Obamacare, Cap and Trade and stimulus bills to their Representatives and Senators, but it seemed that most of their opposition fell on deaf ears.

The Tea Parties were formed, and the shouting grew louder. Many of the elected class who were supporting the growing government—both Democrats and Republicans—found their town hall meetings to be unpleasant places to be.

But still, government grew and spending increased… and the march to Obamacare continued.

Deciding that their voices weren’t being heard and their marches on Washington were being ignored, voters wanting smaller government and a return to Constitutional principals voted in droves. The results were upsets in New Jersey, Virginia and finally, in Massachusetts. The election of Republican Scott Brown to the late Ted Kennedy’s senate seat seemed to end the threat of Obamacare by eliminating the Democrats’ filibuster-proof majority.

Supporters of small government and Tea Party activists breathed a sigh of relief. But, despite President Obama’s promise to focus on jobs, Obamacare didn’t die. It continued to fester and so the shouting got loud again.

But still the elected class, pushing their socialist agenda and seeking to control us from cradle to grave—seeking to enslave us with unconstitutional mandates—didn’t listen.

Writing in Anti-Federalist letter No. 1, Brutus (Robert Yates) said that in a free republic, all laws are derived from the consent of the people and passed by representatives who are supposed to know the minds of their constituents and possessed of the integrity to declare this mind. Unfortunately, the representatives holding the majority don’t possess this integrity.

So Brutus wrote: “If the people are to give their assent to the laws, by persons chosen and appointed by them, the manner of the choice and the number chosen, must be such, as to possess, be disposed, and consequently qualified to declare the sentiments of the people; for if they do not know, or are not disposed to speak the sentiments of the people, the people do not govern, but the sovereignty is in a few.”

That’s were we are now—with sovereignty in the hands of a few. So now it’s time to take the next step. Fortunately, we have the words and deeds of some of our Founding Fathers to direct us.

Since its beginning the Federal government has sought to grow and even those who took part in the framing of the Constitution have tested it’s parameters by trying to intrude on the rights of Americans.

The second president, John Adams, signed legislation that made it a treasonable activity to publish “any false, scandalous and malicious writing.” This was one of the laws that became part of the Alien and Sedition Acts. As a result, 25 men, most of them Republican supporters of Thomas Jefferson were arrested and their newspapers forced to shut down.

One of those arrested was Benjamin Franklin’s grandson, Benjamin Franklin Bache, editor of the Philadelphia Democrat-Republican Aurora.

In response, Jefferson, then the vice president, secretly wrote the Kentucky Resolutions of 1798. In them he argued that the Alien and Sedition Acts were acts of usurpation—that the Federal government had overstepped its bounds and was exercising powers which belonged to the states.

After all, the 10th Amendment states: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

He saw the Constitution not as a document that restrained the people, but as one that restrained the Federal government. And he believed that was a good thing. As an aside: Obama has stated just the opposite. He has said he finds it unfortunate that the Constitution contains the restrictions on Government that it does.

Jefferson corresponded with James Madison (known as the father of the Constitution) about the Kentucky Resolutions and Madison drafted similar Resolutions for Virginia.

Both Kentucky and Virginia adopted the resolutions which essentially said that when the Federal government assumes undelegated powers—those not enumerated in the Constitution—those acts are “unauthoritative, void, and of no force.”

These came to be known as the Principals of ’98.

It’s time to lobby your state representative and state senator and governor and push for a law to prohibit the enforcement of Obamacare and other unconstitutional laws in your state. It’s time to resurrect the Principals of ’98.

Both Virginia and Idaho have voted to sue the Federal government over Obamacare. You must push your state to do the same.

The overreach has gone on for far too long. In addition to Obamacare there is the looming Cap and Trade legislation, there are restrictive gun laws and, under George W. Bush, there was the USA PATRIOT Act and the REAL ID Act (which states have resisted).

Resistance to a tyrannical government is very American. And if the Federal government continues its oppression then it will be time to consider other steps.

Writing to Madison in 1787, Jefferson said, “I hold it that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms are in the physical. Unsuccessful rebellions, indeed, generally establish the encroachments on the rights of the people, which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions, as not to discourage them too much. It is medicine necessary for the sound health of government.”

And then there is one more step to consider. It was commonly understood prior to 1861 that the states reserved the right to secede. There had been talk of secession by the northern New England states many times. Even Abraham Lincoln, as a representative, recognized the states had the right to secede—he only changed his mind after he held the reins of the presidency.

In 1825, Jefferson wrote: “If every infraction of a compact of so many parties is to be resisted at once as a dissolution, none can ever be formed which would last one year. We must have patience and longer endurance then with our brethren while under delusion; give them time for reflection and experience of consequences; keep ourselves in a situation to profit by the chapter of accidents; and separate from our companions only when the sole alternatives left are the dissolution of our Union with them or submission to a government without limitation of powers. Between these two evils, when we must make a choice, there can be no hesitation. But in the meanwhile, the States should be watchful to note every material usurpation on their rights; to denounce them as they occur in the most peremptory terms; to protest against them as wrongs to which our present submission shall be considered, not as acknowledgments or precedents of right, but as a temporary yielding to the lesser evil, until their accumulation shall overweigh that of separation.”

For too long we have failed in being watchful of every “material usurpation” of our rights. But for the last year at least, we have protested them. And our protests have fallen on deaf ears. Dissolution must be in the back of our minds now. But, we’re not ready for that step… not yet.

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • s c

    Compared to what we have now, almost anything would be an improvement. Is there anyone who doesn’t realize that our government is not listening?
    After Sunday’s infamy, either America changes course and heads for the shores of reason and a realistic future, or we might as well look at yesterday as the death of America. To me, this abomination must be resisted and overcome.
    Those who will not listen to the American people have surrendered to a mentality that hates freedom, pursues fame and false titles. In the late 18th century, this led to a world-shaking revolution, and it has the potential to happen again.
    America’s career politicians must answer for much, and there is no time for them to re-learn that which they have abandoned (a working conscience).
    Patriots must again lead the way. It would be worse than foolish to sugar-coat or ignore what took place in Washington Sunday. Let us do what must be done to save America. Once again, we have proof that those who ignore history will repeat it. Anyone who denies the will of the people is not an American, and cannot be tolerated by those who love freedom. Let the lesson begin.

    • Dr, Lee

      If the people upset about all of this (Obamacare)then they should let me explain the program that I have developed over the passed 45 years that would have made all this unnecessary! I invide response!

      God Bless America

      • http://Windowsinternetexplorer Walter

        OK, Dr. Lee Lets see what you have, what is your solution?

      • Angela

        Dr. Lee, I would love to hear what your solution is. I am very disheartened over what is happening right now, and welcome any possible solutions.

      • Sam Skousen

        I would be interested in the program you have developed. I have a program involving health savings accounts, take the money the government spends on Health Care today and divided among the American people. These funds can only being spent on Health Care, including insurance or directly on the Health Care. Those who choose not to purchase Health Insurance would not be protected against pre existing conditions. If they are sick or have a problem that requires a lengthy hospitalization the medical establishment has a right to secure payment to them of the future payments to the person.

        We need to put together a people’s Health Care proposal, one that is not subject to pressure groups. We need to maintain our freedom.

        Such a system would control cost making the marketplace there arbitrator of what is necessary.

        • http://WindowsInternetExplorer Dona Solomon

          I don’t have the answers, however I know you can’t place money with the government or they will “borrow” it and use it for other programs, such as they did with Social Security. You can’t place it with the banks, as they will use it for hedge funds or some other way to “invest it”. We need some honest, intelligent, trustworthy people involved to make this right for America and her people.

          • denniso

            First, the economy nearly collapsed and Bush/Cheny began the bailout of wall street and tried to save the auto co’s,all before Obama was elected. They did it,not to take more control of the economy but to save the economy from a depression worse than the ’29 depression.
            Obama continued the bailouts and put through the stimulus plan to spark the economy back to life…sad that most,though not all,went to wall street fatcats,but economists who know a little more than the people here all agreed that was the way to do it.

            Repubs have ignored the huge problems w/ our healthcare system and obstructed any chance at reforming it for decades…they are truly the party of the corporations. They don’t help in the reform process and instead fight it and make the final bill worse than it could have been. They are responsible for the mandate portion of the bill because they wouldn’t go along w/ something that would have been less odious,since their plan from the very beginning was only to obstruct.
            So, we get a flawed plan,though far better than none, and now the Repubs are up in arms over it. What hypocrites and liars and corporate shills they all are..where were the ‘moderate’ Repubs? Cowards!

      • james k. clary d.o.

        would appreciate an opportunity to peruse your solution to the incompetancy & graft in D.C.

        THANKS
        JKC

      • Joe H.

        HEY DR LEE!!!! WE’RE WAITING!!!

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      Just another proof that all these current lepers in control, are only interested in one thing, power to do whatever they want, to whomever they want. They are out of line, and need removed, by whatever means possible.

      • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

        Be aware that if you threaten to use “any means necessary”, your security gates will not protect you from the middle class. We are real tired of all of your corporate corruptions of our political and economic freedoms.

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          RUN,

          I may have misjudged you. The more I read I think you are just a wolf in sheeps clothing.

          Fed Up Gal

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Im just tired of watching them “damn” this country. It is not right what they are doing, and it does not benefit the American populace. They are interested in installing their socialist dictatorship, and it is darn scary thinking about just how much damage they can do in the next 3 years before we can legally remove them. Im not sure we can all just sit here and twiddle our thumbs and say gee whiz, we cant do anything. Well we can sign petitions to our congressman, senators, governors, and let them all know we are aware of what they are doing and we dont appreciate or condone it, and when they reach a point where they have legally broken laws, then we can have them removed ahead of time, whether by impeachment or other means. Im am not insinuating violence or illegal actions here, I guess I should have put whatever means legally possible. But it is dangerous just to sit and watch them destroy this country I love. Im getting involved.

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            I am a political lone wolf.

            I try to be a free thinking person goes after positions that don’t have common sense. But, in debating I learn a lot.

            One thing I am real interested in is checking out the basic 4 types of personalities that make decisions and stick with them in the face of all kinds of arguments and facts to the contrary.

            Then, I would like to check on a book that supposedly examined the psycholigical affects of a magician and how those techniques are used for pursuasion. Hitler was into this.

            This kind of stuff may seem weird or stupid, but my level of mistrust of government and corporations is such that I see it as something worth checking on to check on the soundness of what’s coming at myself and how I might be manipulated.

            To the other person, I’m not sure that your original statement is not entirely valid.

            Overall, I this is probably where I am the lone wolf at the edge of this pack, I do believe in a balanced government that exercises it’s collective power in the interests of all of us. It is a damned large and diverse country which requires a certain level of collective oversight. Then we’ve got an unbelievable number of business enterprises from the single single gal trying to make an extra buck to pay the rent by selling Mary Kay and the mom and dad who are selling Amway to pay for kids’ school stuff, as heroic examples of businesses on mainstreet, to the giant corporations that do not have the ethics and morality other than grabbing more profit, power and control for their corporate interests.

            Those are the people I really am paranoid about because of what I have seen.

            Am I totally in love with unions? NO! This is just more corporate bullshit in my experience since the people who run those organizations tend to root themselve so deep into their own protection, they end up being as bad as, if not outrightly, joining the corporations in “sweetheart deals” way too much of the time.

            The corporations employ a lot of people. Not all of them are at livable wages, especially if you get below the very top levels of management. The unions have had a history of pushback and brought about livable wages, despite corruptions such as the Teamsters which I like but hate at the same time. That was a good development of the middle class until the Taft Hartley Act in 1947 that started to rein in union power.

            That was further eroded under Reagan in 1980. Clinton and Bush II pretty much capped the ruin and deterioration of the middle class with the 1994 NAFTA Act(Ross Perot described it as a “giant sucking sound as American jobs would leave the country in debates with Clinton and Bush I in 1990)and the 2005 CAFTA agreement.

            I have been a Teamster angry about being told to withdraw my notice of a work injury that took my back out by the union steward I had encouraged and helped to elect. Then that SOB floated along with the idea that his stewardship was a lifetime appointment. In the meanwhile, I got a copy of the master contracts from county and city jurisdictions that showed their contracts were $2 and more for similar job and experience brackets than we were getting. I got the steward replaced for his sweetheart dealings, got the contracts to his opposition and then got laid off due to my back injury.

            Before that, I had been a health care administrator in both the public sector and private sector. I would always support market level salaries for out employees both as a sense of fairness for their efforts and to avoid losing employees and getting other replacements who had to be retrained at a business cost of doing that. My turnover rates where at the very low end of the industry.

            And, after being run into the ground and ground up, and fighting my way back, I have been a pro se attorney becoming familiar with the faceteous terms of “ruling by precedents” and “fundamentalism” and “judicial activism”. The courts rule more by politics than the average person can even begin to realize. The “thinking” that goes on behind the doors of judges have more to do with their experiences, their biases, and their politics on how they comb out the facts and the law in rationalizing their decisions.

            But, I run on.

            Thanks for the compliment this time. I expect that won’t refrain you from biting back on other replys.

          • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

            Radio Up North says:
            Clinton and Bush II pretty much capped the ruin and deterioration of the middle class with the 1994 NAFTA Act(Ross Perot described it as a “giant sucking sound as American jobs would leave the country in debates with Clinton and Bush I in 1990)and the 2005 CAFTA agreement.
            …………………………………………………………………………………………..
            And we’re still hearing that giant sucking sound today, & somewhat continuously, aren’t we?

            I asked you on one of the other pages but you didn’t answer, at what schools did you study your political sci. and economics. What countries have you lived in and which do you live in now?… thanks

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            That is an interesting question. Why is it even relevant?

            That question opens the door to background that has nothing to do with the various debates that happen here or the pushback of others who have their own opinions based on their own experiences.

            Suffice it to say, I have attended fully accredited schools and universities in several parts of the country. I long studied political science and economics.

            I have not traveled as much as I have wanted. Maybe a little further along, when my kids are through with their undergraduate degrees, and assuming they don’t immediately jump into graduate studies siphoning off more money for that, I may have a chance to travel more.

            But, a lot of everyone’s experience at my age also comes from personal experience and audience to a lot of the stuff I relate to and talk about.

            I think you would be only mildly interested in my complete resume. It is a pretty cluttered piece and just not relevant to my points and interchanges here. I will soon have to break to take care of business again and won’t have the time to provide the entertainment.

            Maybe you will have that to look forward too.

            (%

          • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

            Radio Up North;
            I guess my question is only relevant to me because of my curiosity.
            It is just apparent that you are well educated in political science and possibly in economics. I was wondering what university/s you had attended because I suspect your P.S. classes were a cut above what we would get at our basic run of the mill colleges. You also seem to have an education style/writing style/mannerisms/use of words & phrases, that to me, resemble friends that I have in Western Europe, Russia, and England. I thought this could be because you either had studied abroad for some years, or had lived there for some time, whether you were schooled there or not. I don’t really care whether people are politically liberal, moderate, or conservative,(as long as I’m not in an argument with them), I was just curious because people of all different political views, cultures, and countries interest me.

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            Thank you for your respect. You have mine.

            I have the same interest in others.

            (%

          • Lisa

            Radio Up Where?
            That’s it? That’s all you’re givin him? For christs sake, are you afraid he can stalk you if you tell him from which university you got your political science degree, and what countries you’ve lived in?
            Stephaan has an 18 year old who wants to major in pol. science and minor in economics, and they’re just trying to pick a good school.

            “Opens the door to your background”?
            LOL Who really gives a crap what your background is. He didn’t want your social security#, your D.L.#, or your home address, he was only interested in university, and countries where you may have lived, and country where you live now. How is anybody going to hurt you with that simple info?
            You seem really rude in a sneaky liberal sort of way.

    • EltonJ

      I wonder if the corruption is too far spread and its roots too far deep. We can’t crush its branches if the roots are still there. To fundamentally change America we need to cut out every bit of treasonous and spiteful person out of every level of the Government. This includes our Public Schools.

      We need to cut out the cancer that is in our country. But I fear it is too widespread for the public to cut. Perhaps Fire would be much more efficient.

      • Calvin Sibert

        As a nation we have removed God.this is the result,God gave us what we wanted.As an individual it breaks my heart.

        • Ken Reeder

          I agree ,our problem in this country is a spiritual one we have elected Godless dems to office to lead our country ,now we are getting what we deserve. Proverbs 29:12 says If a ruler hearken to lies, all his servants are wicked. O how evident.

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            The Democrats work from the view of “There but for the grace of God, go I.”

            The Republicans work with the view of “God helps those who help themselves.

            The Democrats see government as a tool of social change to provide the services that individuals separately would not be able to accomplish. This includes military protection, fire and police protection, education and now health care among many other results such as Social Security, mail service, highway and infracstructure investment and repair, Medicare, etc.

            Republicans see government as a tool to manipulate the market place for the advantage of a few over the participation of the many.

            Democracy is a socialism where each citizen has a vote in the decisions made that affects everyone. James Madison defined the U.S. as a republic in terms of representative democracy as opposed to direct democracy.

            You cannot have political democracy unless you have an economic democracy.

            The libertarian Aynn Rand conservatism that has supplanted the Bill Buckley conservatism can only lead to an ultimate showdonw with this radical no government ideology. That no govenment would result in corporate Fascism and a disintegration of the U.S.A.

            And every real Amercian that appreciates liberty will stop that takeover in it’s tracks, whatever it takes.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Radio up North, I hope you didnt pay much for your degree, because your views are screwed up. On one front, you make good sense, then you purport that the Democrats social programs help? Gimme a break. They are what is causing the sucking sound, dont you see that. And from the things I have lived and I have seen, with my own eyes, my own wallet and my own bank account, I have fared much better from the things the Republicans have done, and have suffered from the things the democrats have done. Especially that FDR voluntary tax thing, that still reems me every week, yet wont be there when its my supposed turn to reap from it. From funding mass enlargement by the democrats of welfare, food stamps, unemployment, now health care, they just keep dwindling down my paycheck with their social entitlements, yet I continue to have no problem finding and keeping employment, so why do others? Am I that special and smart. No. I just chose to work to EARN an honest living, and I dont depend on government to fend for me, like over 90 percent of those collecting these handouts do. Thank your democrats for them, for they want the people to be dependant on them, that way they keep their power. If you didnt learn this in school, you werent paying attention, or their curriculum isnt teaching you the truth. You can be a very smart guy, Im not denying you that, but what is really going on here, and what you are saying, are two different things. We could use a man like Ronald Reagan again. I take it you dont like him because he recognized the evil in the unions and brought them down somewhat. Is that it? Because his record stands alone as a great one. Sure some liberal rags can come along and prostitute the truth, and someday they will pull their revisionist history and rewrite things like they want them to read, as they do this stuff you know. But Ill take a Ronald Reagan over anything Ive seen in my lifetime, that is for sure sir.

        • Kim

          Calvin:
          Bulls eye…..mere mortals can be such fools to loose their way. When belief and essential life is no longer important then not only have you lost your way but your soul has bought as well.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I agree. Where your heart lay, your treasures lay also. These guys treasures are wealth and power. Their love is of money, not of God. When this country decided to kick God out of schools, government, business and public places in general, the country started its decline. How is it we have to bow down to the voices of the few like the ACLU, and the majority is dismissed? It thought we were supposed to be a democracy? What happened?

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Correction, we are a Republic, and what I meant by democracy, was that I thought we were supposed to represent the majority, not the few that cry the loudest. But we are not a democracy, we are a Republic.

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            I don’t understand how your concept of republic is conceived.

            We vote for the people who represent us. We elect congress to the United State Of America to make the required decisions in our collective interests. This is the same way it works at the State levels that make up the United States Of America. It is set in place by the Constitution. All of this rests firmly on the idea of democracy also because of the size of the government as representative democracy because we can’t all be at the front line of all of the decisions that are required.

            Who do you see as ultimately choosing our representatives? Is is by individual votes or by some other system? If you admit it is by votes, isn’t that democracy?

          • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

            Radio Up North;
            I don’t have a political science degree, although I suspect that you do, and I think you already know the answer to the question that you ask, and you just want to know, IF WE KNOW lol. The answer to your question is actually reflected in the question that you posed.
            As in your post: Yes, we are a democracy (inasmuch as we citizens elect reps. to represents us) in our local, state, and federal governments (a democratic process, a democracy).
            However, we are a Republic because we do elect these reps. and senators to “represent us” in our government, because all 300 million of us can’t be in Wash.DC representing ourselves on the front lines.
            Yours is one of those questions that falls into a “CIRCULAR PHASE OF LOGIC” that intelligent “critical thinkers” pose to mess with people, and mostly have us/me chasing our tails in circles. There are never “simple”, or “absolute definitive” answers that people can easily understand for these questions. The answers are usually convoluted, ambiguous and complicated.
            That being said here’s my best shot::

            Yes we are a Republic, and yes we are a democracy of sorts (both in figurative and literal terms), because of the fact that we have to be a democracy in order to be a Republic.
            YES we are a Republic, and yes, that Republic (country) is perpetuated/controlled/run/ by the democratic means/process, that is allowed in a democracy, and also as such, is also allowed under a Republic, and is necessary in order to be a Republic.

            p.s. I asked you some questions on one of your posts above

          • DamnYankee

            According to Webster’s dictionary,a “democracy” is government BY the people, a government in which the supreme power is retained by the people directly or indirectly, while a “republic” is a state in which the SOVERIGN power resides in a certain body of people and is exercised by representatives elected by and responsible to the people. When one pledges allegiance, it is “to the flag and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands”. Whether one considers us a democracy or a republic, when the representatives elected by the people, are out for themselves rather than the people, then the laws that they enact are for their benefit, not the people.
            In the Declaration of Independence, it is stated, “That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, derivimg their just powers from the consent of the governed,–That whenever any form of government becomesd DESTRUCTIVE of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Damn Yankee,

            Very well said!

            Fed Up Gal

        • Patricia Traeger

          In today’s society, God has been removed from so many things, that our country no longer resembles the country that our forefathers founded. When they were fighting for freedom and marking the way for a country of liberty for all, there was much bloodshed and many lives were lost in its wake. However, those who led our country then were guided by inspiration from God. This is a chosen land and because of honorable men like George Washington,Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin to name a few, had the courage to stand up for what they knew to be right, the Constitution and Bill of Rights came to be. These documents and those who put them together and signed them is what makes America so great, but now we have a President along with his supporters that want to do away with them. Those documents protect our freedoms but only when our government is honest enough to support them. We are at a critical time in our history. We need to bring God back so that we can be a free people who uphold our constitution and all that it stands for. We can’t do that until we get some people in our government that actually believe in our God given rights to liberty. We must do everything we can to see that happen. We can sign petitions, join tea parties, let our congressmen know how we feel, but our best weapon, right now, is ahead of us; the polls in November. If we can get people out to the polls, we can win.

          • Jana

            Patricia, Great post and I agree with you all the way. As God fearing people we have been complacent and have sat back and allowed God to be taken out of our society. It is time for us to stand up and make a difference. The difference we can make is at the voting booth.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            The biggest mistake this country ever made, was letting the liberal minority take God out of the equation on so many levels. That is the source of most of our problems. You are correct. Its is a scary thought, that as these democratic liberals, in bed with the ACLU, George Soros, and many other anti God, anti American people and organizations, get their way and continue to have God removed from us, that one day, God Himself is going to have enough, and remove His hand from us, and that is when we fall. Its heading that way full speed ahead right now.

          • DamnYankee

            Our ancestors came here “FOR religious freedom”, not FROM religious freedom. Every day and in every way, people are removing GOD from our lives. Knowlege comes from books, Wisdom comes from GOD. What is it that the Bible says about the Form of Godliness, but not the fruits thereof. We are seeing it today, not only in the people, but in our so-called leaders. Whatever is best for them or their big contributors, is the basis of our laws passed recently

      • DaveH

        Elton,
        It is purely a matter of a well-informed electorate. If we can wake people up to the benefits of Freedom (and there are many), we can prevail.

        Learn about true Freedom. Learn about Libertarianism:
        http://libertarianparty.org/platform

        • Ken Reeder

          Amen keep up the fight no matter what,I will not bow down to Obama care nor serve his gods

          • American liberal

            Isn’t it about time you rightwingers reported to your local death panels…. ? You’re just wasting air and space

          • J C

            AL…We’re Americans, you’re a Communist. Drop Dead.

          • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

            To: American liberal

            You obviously need an education. Here is just a tiny bit:

            What yu said is like what Hitler said when he called them “useless eaters”. You are no better than Hitler with that kind of remark.

            We are a Republic, based upon laws approved by the people, we are not a Democracy, and the “Democrats” are overthrowing our designed form of government as their party title declares, and are all guilty of treason.

            That is the fact:
            http://www.w3f.com/patriots/democracy.html

            Our country was founded on Liberty, not “democracy”.

            Daniel Webster was right:

            “God grants liberty only to those who love
            it and are always ready to guard and defend it.”

            “Hold on, my friends, to the Constitution and to the
            Republic for which it stands. Miracles do not cluster,
            and what has happened once in 6000 years, may not happen
            again. Hold on to the Constitution, for if the American
            Constitution should fail, there will be anarchy throughout
            the world.”

            Go elsewhere, Mr. Liberal, for you are not welcome here.

            Damn democracy! It is a fraudulent term used, often by ignorant persons but no less often by intellectual fakers, to describe an infamous mixture of socialism, miscegenation, graft, confiscation of property and denial of personal rights to individuals whose virtuous principles make them offensive.

            “If a Nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of
            civilization, it expects what never was and never will be…
            if we are to guard against ignorance and remain free, it
            is the responsibility of every American to be informed.”
            –Thomas Jefferson–

            ———-

            United States Constitution
            Bill of Rights

            Amendment I

            Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

            Amendment X

            The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

            Article IV, Section 4.

            The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a
            republican form of government, and shall protect each of them
            against invasion, and on application of the Legislature, or of
            the Executive (when the Legislatures cannot be convened), against
            domestic violence.

            ———

            Catch that? “United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a republican form of government”

            “I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the
            Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending,
            on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents….”
            –James Madison–

            “Democracy will soon degenerate into an anarchy, such an anarchy
            that every man will do what is right in his own eyes and no man’s
            life or property or reputation or liberty will be secure, and every
            one of these will soon mould itself into a system of subordination
            of all the moral virtues and intellectual abilities, all the powers
            of wealth, beauty, wit and science, to the wanton pleasures, the
            capricious will, and the execrable cruelty of one or a very few.”
            — John Adams

            May I repeat what Samuel Adams once said:

            “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility
            of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom,
            go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your
            arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May
            your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget
            that ye were our countrymen.”

            Go away Mr Liberal, you are nothing less than a traitor.

            “Men fight for liberty and win it with hard knocks. Their children, brought up easy, let it slip away again, poor fools. And their grandchildren are once more slaves.”
            ~D.H. Lawrence, Classical American Literature, 1922

            I weep for my grandchildren.

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            As a moderate, I may at some time be interested in that “death pannel” idea.

            I had thought it meant only Living Will choices to have or avoid prolonging life or not by extraordinary measures.

            But if quality of life is gone, and I want to just go to the exit door with a little extra help when totally incapacitate, will I even be allowed to have that “death pannel” option.

            The right to lifer group have limited stem cell research using fertilized eggs that will otherwise be thrown away that could keep people alive longer. But, they expect me to stick around and suffer.

            If there is no favoratism for washboarding as a form of torture to extract information, shouldn’t the same apply to allowing individual choice in avoiding torture at the end of life?

            Isn’t that a political terrorism?

          • Jana

            Rad, No one can stop you from ‘killing yourself’. The Socialists and Communists want to force someone else to do it for them.

            If you want to end your life I am sure with all of your so called great intelligence that you are trying to convince us all that you have, you can figure out a way to do so without getting someone else involved. To force a Dr. to end a life is political terrorism!

            You are definitely no moderate. If you think that, that proves that you are not as smart as you say you are.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            How very liberal of you, American Liberal!

            Fed Up Gal

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Pay no attention to this quack that calls himself American Liberal. Those two words cannot go together, so he knows not of which he talks about.

        • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

          Unfortunately, though education is the key factor in getting us back on the right track, the dumbing down of Americans has been a resounding success since the government took over control of education. The solution is, in my opinion quite simple. Demand that the Supreme Court review all laws and throw out those not meeting the strict definition of the Constitution, particularly the tenth amendment.

          Second, require that OUR government, when spending OUR money, on OUR behalf, spend it in OUR country.

          Third, instead of handouts, put the people to work, as our infrastructure, and all the taxes that we pay for their maintenance, be accelerated instead of the continual neglect that poses serious danger to us all.

          We were all warned by many that this administration would be an obamanation (pun intended) on our country, but very few wanted to listen, as the philosophy, there too, was “anything would be better than Bush”. Except Bush was not running, and McCain was a no-show, IMHO.

          Sorry, we don’t need term limits, nor throw out all incumbents, as that would take away our ability to keep good people. We don’t need a flat tax either, tell OUR government to live within its means as we have to.

          We need to promote the better of each representative running for election or re-election, and keep doing it until we have a Constitution abiding government in place, so we can get back to being the greatest Republic ever.

          All these quick-fixes are the brainchild of those that still think like children who chant “majority rules” and “throw the bums out” and new laws to force specific changes. We need to get back to the basics.

          I believe that all those that vote should be required to pass the entrance exam for citizenship in these United States.

          Those that don’t want to abide by our Constitution and Bill of rights, should go elsewhere and leave us to our Republic.

          But, then that’s just my opinion.
          John Beaman – MADEinUSA.org

          • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

            Oh yeah, and keep asking, ’till you get an answer: “What part of ‘illegal’ and ‘representative’ do you not understand?

            Also require that all of congress follow the same laws that we have to. Being exempt to any of our laws, by special conditions, is nothing short of treason.

            I have, and many have done the math on my suggestions, and they would solve most of our financial problems.

            It’s too bad you can’t impeach our representatives for lying, and failure to abide by their oath of office, sworn on the Bible, in front of millions of witnesses.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            You made reference to the failure of our educational system, which is run by the government. Everything they run fails. Lets examine the records. The Public School System, broke and failing. Social Security, broke and failing. Medicare, broke and failing. Medicaid, broke and failing. The U.S. Postal Service, broke and failing. And now there are those among us, who actually want these guys to run our health care system. You have got to be kidding me. If one does not learn from history, one is doomed to repeat it. Look at their record of running things. Oh yeah, plus there is the thing of them running the finances of this country. What is it, how many trillion in debt. Yeah, theyve done a fine job with that also. Yet all the liberals are totally in favor of a big huge ever expanding government running things, and this is such a dangerous outlook. We need government to stop running things, and let the private sector run them, the way a business should be run, without government interference. Let the free market system work, and shrink government. More government is just a crazy idea, and hazardous to all of us.

        • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

          How about full debate on all issues instead of the one-sided radio rants such as Rush Limbug?

          That would make the voters more fully informed on the issues.

          Let’s bring back the “fairness doctrine” for FCC broadcast licensure that was done away with by the Reagan Administration?

          Let’s stop this campaign of “dumbing down” the U.S. where the “scare-them-crazy” fear and loathing campaigns of the Ayn Rand conservatives are using to push around U.S. politics. Lets open up the radio rant stations for debates from opposing sides.

          It might even be good entertainment.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            The fairness doctrine is not fair at all. Do you understand how it works? First of all, the liberals have tried and tried radio talk shows, and they failed miserably, and the radio stations could not afford to have them do it, because frankly, since no one listened, sponsors would not advertise during that time frame to pay for them. So if it were instituted like you want, everyone knows it would shut down Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity, because if the radio had them on for 3 hours, they would have to let the liberals have their 3 hours, and the radio stations cannot afford to have 3 hours of programming with no revenue coming in, and advertisers are not going to pay for commercials on programs that no one is tuning in to. So the radio stations would have no choice but to do away with talk radio, then you libs would have what you want, the silencing of the truth. Why are you so afraid of the truth? Do you really think that if a guy has any talent at all, and can bring something the people really want to hear, that the radio stations would not knowingly and willingly sign him to a contract and put him on the air? Give me a break. Al Gore tried it and failed, and so have many others. No one wants to listen to all their pathetic lies and liberal agenda. Thats why they dont make it, no one listens. Dont you understand that? If the people like what they say, they would gladly tune in and listen, and they would be a success, but it doesnt work, because no one wants to hear it but a few of you. The fairness doctrine isnt fair, and you know it. Its a one way liberal attempt to shut down the truth in reporting. I mean look at the monster ratings of Keith Olberman and Chris Matthews. Not. People know pathetic agenda based liars when they hear them. But fairness doctrine, no, no fairness at all in it.

          • Mike In MI

            Beberoni -
            Very insightful and on the point. Our friend, RadioUpNorth, has a good mind and sees the problems. He has also spent a huge amount of time trying to push his mind through to see solutions -much as most people who are concerned about our country, our lives and what would be best for all. That is commendable, but he hasn’t carried his thinking far enough, nor can he without help from something outside, bigger than and outside himself. He’s on the track, but he’s gotten to the place where the parallel lines meet and can’t igure out where to go from there.
            The human mind is only capable of holding a certain amount in it and dealing with all the threads at one time. It is the problem of “finitude” along with being locked in that certain temporal niche where that individual exists. Real wisdom is not, for that reason (and others), a capacity of the human mind. Limitted scope, short-term thinking and action, along with the inability to percieve anything beyond what our five senses can encompass or affect makes all men miss the real marks we need to hit in life. That generates problems and problems bring contention between ourselves and others.
            Maybe that’s why RadioUp North lives up where he can minimize conflict and abrasive contacts. He is avoiding reality because the man-made philosophy he’s chosen engenders disharmony.

            He’s what the Bible calls a “seed picker” – like a little bird going around pecking dirt for ideas he comes accross which he thinks might assimilate to his convoluted system of bad choices. His elemental pride won’t allow him to acknowledge something outside, bigger than and able to help him to live successfully…like God who has graciously given a wonderful guidebook as an instruction manual. RadioUpNorth doesn’t realize yet that by committing to the Godly guidelines he gets God’s assistance (when Radio asks for it) in the things he encounters – to maximize the good and minimize the bad.

            God bless, in the name of Christ Jesus.

          • Mike In MI

            At the top paragraph I meant t say “…outside, bigger and smarter than himself.” Socialists never acknowledge anything smarter than themselves. That’s why they’re predictably such failures.

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            Berberoni/Mike

            Berberoni, why are you single tracking the “Fairness Doctrine” limiting it to 2 separate media shows? It is you who do not understand the concept.

            Prior to the Reagan Adminstration abolition of that FCC licensure rule, it required licensed media outlets to provide equal time on political viewpoint shows. That means a debate. That should mean that Rush “Limbug”, Glenn “B.S.” Beck and Sean “Hysterical” Hannity would be required to present EVEN HANDED debate on their shows.

            That would get VERY HUGE audience share. And then let the education begin for voter education on making informed decisions and reducing by a huge amount the political mind numbing partisanship.

            By the way, when is Rush Limbug leaving the country like he promised if health care reform became law. President Obama signed health care reform into law this morning. What is Limbug leaving?

            Mike, I see you as a “seed picker”. Since you are familiar with the term, has someone described you as such? Look to your reply above to see why someone would say that about you.

            And what part of the “guidebook” did you use to pass judgment on me?

            God surrounds me and envelopes my mind just like he does with every creature. But God does not make individual decisions no more than giving us total free will because that would be power only God can have within the laws of God. That is how I recommend you consider all that God has given us.

            And when you bless in the name of Jesus Christ, that is good if used as a petition for positive results and not as an imprecatory prayer. I am unsure because of your surrounding comments.

            Have you read and understand Mathew 22, the entire Chapter? Also add Mathew 6:10 to Mathew 22. I also suggest another check of Acts 17:17-28 when Paul talked to the Stoic and Epicurean philosophers in Athens.

            And Mike, Jesus was a socialist by his actions and teachings. Are you saying he was a failure?

            If he was not a socialist, how do you describe him and his cultural politics?

            Finally Mike, I can within my own limitations turn my other cheek to your judgments about me and even do better than Christ’s recommendation to “turn the other cheek” by pointing out to you that I can turn my other two cheeks below to you too.

        • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

          When I’m accused of thinking I’m so smart, thank you for not calling me an elitist.

          (%

          And as far as death panel (finally got my fingers to not twitch on the ‘n’), the health care reform bill does address doctor assisted euthanasia. It is too over-the-top for most people to allow for personal choice for although being all for war or criminal executions or denying needed health care due to market place economics are not a problem.

          When quality of life does not exist anymore, why shouldn’t the Living Will choices also include the right to euthanasia whether a commie, a socialist, a liberal, a Democrat, a Republican, a Lebertarian, a Fascist or whatever political, cultural, religious or whatever you are?

      • http://www.AmericanCitizenBiker.blogspot.com AmericanCitizenBiker

        I am also very concerned about the need to get back to basics and limit the control of our government. As a result, I began a blog: http://www.AmericanCitizenBiker.blogspot.com As a header, I have outlined a 5 point plan to save the Republic. Take a look. I am asking all candidates for public office if they support these points. If so, I support them, if not, I find another. I ask that you do this in your local districts as well.

        • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

          I prefer the debate site http://www.MumblingRepublican.com in comparison.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Thats because you reject the truth. The truth will set you free. You will not find the truth in the left, at least not these days, and not since the days of FDR, the grand daddy liar of them all.

        • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

          Hard to argue with a Peter Pan mentality.

          Just get old, just get sick, just lose your job. just lose your wealth and see where you high handed right minded blinders do for you then.

          I am more of a Huey Long kind of thinker. FDR did not go far enough although he was getting there at the end with the 2nd Bill Of Rights in January 1944 before he died in April.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I will get old, and I will get sick, and I will die, but unlike you, I will not trust in the government to cover me and take care of me on the way. No, I will trust in the Allmighty God who decides what, where, and when I do and go. I dont trust in my government, and I dont need them to take care of me. I have a personal relationship and understanding with Jesus Christ, and I dont have to worry about those things. He is in control, not me. I will just follow. I am not dependant on the government, and I never will be. That is just a choice I have made, and thats how it is, whether you chose to accept it or not. To each his own. If you want them to take care of you, more power to you. Go for it. I dont care if you chose that path, thats up to you. But its not for me, thats all Im saying.

    • scott

      of course they,re not american.just a bunch of the worst criminals, [offensive words removed],and racist scum that ever got elected in politics.all run by a muslim socialist,racist that won,t even show his true birth certificate.he,s not even eligable to be president.he,s just a rich african put in place by the dems to control the country.biggest scum they,re is.

    • steve

      hey now,takin it to the streets,an old mcdonald tune.do you remember how the anti war vietnam protesters eventually shut down the war from l b j,started by kennedy and his liberal ilk ? maybe you are too young to recall. our situation today requires the same committment and bravery.get involved folks. stop dictatorship and tyranny cold by becoming engaged in the final solution prevention. this from a former vietnam vet,chu lai big red 1 1970. or it sucks to be you in 2020.

    • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

      ANOTHER DAY IN PARADISE

      by PHIL COLLINS

      She calls out to the man on the street
      “Sir, can you help me?
      It’s cold and I’ve nowhere to sleep,
      Is there somewhere you can tell me?”

      He walks on, doesn’t look back
      He pretends he can’t hear her
      Starts to whistle as he crosses the street
      Seems embarrassed to be there

      Oh think twice, it’s another day for
      You and me in paradise
      Oh think twice, it’s just another day for you,
      You and me in paradise

      She calls out to the man on the street
      He can see she’s been crying
      She’s got blisters on the soles of her feet
      Can’t walk but she’s trying

      Oh think twice…

      Oh lord, is there nothing more anybody can do
      Oh lord, there must be something you can say

      You can tell from the lines on her face
      You can see that she’s been there
      Probably been moved on from every place
      ‘Cos she didn’t fit in there

      Oh think twice…

      • Palin12

        Phil Collins ruined Genesis. They were much more interesting with Peter Gabriel.

        • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

          I could remember the tune about a person standing in an unemployment line and being criticized as a loafer but a smugger.

          Without any intent to insult, do you remember the name of that tune and what group or artist did it back in the 1980′s, I think?

          • Palin12

            Sorry, doesn’t ring a bell.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            I dont recall the tune myself, but that sounds familiar. But as to unemployment, dont deem me to be unsympathetic to those who dont have a job. You see, allthough Ive been employed where Im at now for 13 years, over my life time Ive lost 5 jobs where the places I worked closed down, and I hit the streets the next day and dropped off resumes at 15 to 20 places a day, along with filling out countless applications, and I allthough I filed for unemployment, I always took a job before any checks came in. It seems a lot of people deem themselves above the pay scale of jobs that are offered, but I took them, sometimes worked two jobs, and continued looking for something better and worked myself back up to and beyond my previous employers wages everytime. It is a real fact, that most people, not all of them, but upwards of 90 percent of them, really dont care to get a job. They are content to collect unemployment and milk the system for all its worth. I know for a fact, as my daugter is dating a guy who is doing this, and both of them are content to take the free money being offered, as is many of his young friends. Its the easy way out, and our government with all its social programs makes it too easy for people to make a living off of the backs of those who work. But to those who are legitimately unemployed and seriously looking for work, my heart goes out to you, as I know you need to fend for your family. Its the 90 percent milking the system that gives a bad face to those in true need.

      • Timetraveler

        Radio!!!

        Are you implying that I would turn a blind eye to a poor destitute by not paying for her healthcare? Why do we need “ObamaCare” the Federal government has already forced the hospitals in this country to treat anyone that walks in the door. Which makes this is a backdoor pickpocket of my wallet. Forcing the hospitals to raise thier fees and it trickles right on down to the workers in this country. In the end the people who work pay into a “involuntary tax charity” to support the non-workers, free-loaders, & illegals. Socialist like you and Obama believe it is your right to steal my money to fund your government controlled charity so that if I have a dollar then I must give half to someone who has nothing. The government is as much to blame for our present healthcare system as any insurance company. Now they want to ride in on a whitewashed horse and save the day. No, they decided the backdoor method wasn’t raping me bad enough so now they will just use the front door.

        YOU and this socialist government want to make me feel guilty because I have more than someone else.
        I donate where I want and when I want and I don’t need the government or any “HOLYER THAN THOU” #*$holes like you telling/forcing me to give too something I don’t agree with. You probably don’t have a ounce of religion in your miserable liberal/socialist body.
        It is said:
        Jesus didn’t just give the people fish, he taught them how to fish so they could feed themselves. He did not want them depending on him and come running for handouts everytime the food ran out.

        Our government is not Jesus, they can’t make it rain fish to feed everyone and eventually the working class is going to get tired of them expecting us to feed the non-workers with your socialized charity programs.

        Think about it RADIO:
        You go to church and the preacher sends the collections plate around. But instead of you giving what you can afford or want, your wallet is taken and they take what they want. When your ready to leave the door is blocked and you have to pay to get out, your told the money is going too a good cause. If that isn’t enough your car has a jackboot on it and in order for you to get it off you will need to donate to another pet “charity” of the church. Your free at last right? The rest of the money in your wallet is yours to support you and your family. Haha, your not off the parking lot yet and sure enough while you were in church they erected barracades and you will need to pay to get out of there. OH, on the way out your handed a slip of paper informing you that you “WILL” pay that same amount of money every Sunday even if you do not attend that church ever again.

        This is what I think of your government mandated Socialist “charities”.

        • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

          Timetraveler, you asked of me above, “Are you implying that I would turn a blind eye to a poor destitute by not paying for her healthcare?” Well, yeah! That is the whole implication of your reply, isn’t it?

          You’ve condemned the current health care that is required “to treat anyone that walks in the door” and “must give half to someone who has nothing”. While that is true, it is not a Cadillac care nor is it free for those people who get bills, bills, bills, collection threats, collection threats, garnishments, bankruptcies and ruined credit for a very long time afterwards. It is not free for them.

          Others, who have been pushed to the ground while you have had the luck, THE LUCK, to remain standing in an adverse economic system during an adverse economic time are not to be faulted. Those others include those who are LIVING IN POVERTY WITH LESS THAN $2000 IN ASSETS, OR $1000 IF SINGLE surviving on GA/GAMAC and Foodstamps are back at getting a Cadillac health care plan that you and I pay for that is better than what we get. But I would bet and win that they would trade places with either of us in a New York minute, if they could.

          You have appropriately described the current health care reform legislation as giving our government a right to “ride in on a whitewashed horse”. I would have long ago chosen to eliminate the antitrust provisions barring people and employers the chance to shop across state lines to get good insurance and competitive prices. Why didn’t the Republicans get that done back in 2003 when they enacted the open-checkbook Medicare Revision plan for health care MedGap insurers and pharmaceutical companies?

          But “whitewashed horse” is a good description. It should have been a universal health care plan that would have eliminated the waste and fraud and big paycheck for these CEO’s to lobby and buy off a better system by corrupting our congress. If government can run the U.S. Postal Service making it competitive with FedEx and UPS, even with a down year that will require cost adjustments and increased charges just like FedEx and UPS, than the government can do a better job with health care rather than the fractionalized system running amok and denying coverage to more and more people.

          Under that former health care system, our government would have paid $1 out of every $6 for health care and within 10 years would have been paying $1 out of every $3 of the National Budget. It will reduce $130 billion in the next 10 years and $1.2 trillion in the next 20 years. That means less taxes that you and I will have to pay and mean more jobs due to employer saving which means more taxpayers which means less tax load you and I will have to haul.

          The main problem with this health care reform law was that the insurers and pharmaceutical companies still reap their profits. Other than that, give the new health care law time to work itself out.

          You said, “I don’t need the government or any “HOLYER THAN THOU” #*$holes like you telling/forcing me to give too something I don’t agree with.” I did not appreciate self righteous rightists like you forcing an Iraqi war on me that I had to and still have to pay taxes on forever and deal with that war out of which survive injured people who may not appreciate that fraud that cost them their limbs and perhaps minds when they go sociopathic like that character in “No Country For Old Men”.

          You said, “Jesus didn’t just give the people fish, he taught them how to fish so they could feed themselves.” Jesus did not have corporations controlling the market place like we have now. He did not ever turn his back on the poor like you are angrily doing with your reply. If anything, he addressed that by saying, “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the Kingdom of God.” Mark 19:24 (also see Mark 10:21)

          You finished, more or less, saying, “ Haha, your not off the parking lot yet and sure enough while you were in church they erected barracades and you will need to pay to get out of there.”

          Have you ever heard the 1966 tune ‘They’re Coming To Take Me Away’ by Napoleon XIV? You would appreciate these lyrics, perhaps:

          Remember when you ran away and I got on my knees and begged you not to leave because I’d go berzerk?
          Well, you left me anyhow and the days got worse and worse and now you see I’ve gone completely out of my mind.

          And They’re coming to take me away Ha Ha
          They’re coming to take me away ho ho he he ha ha
          to the funny farm where life is beautiful all the time, and I’ll be happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats
          and they’re coming to take me away ha ha

          You thought it was joke and so you laughed, you laughed when I had said that losing you would make me flip my lid, right? You know you laughed, I heard you laugh, you laughed, you laughed and laughed and then you left, but now you know I’m utterly mad.

          And they’re coming to take me away Ha Ha
          They’re coming to take me away ho ho he he ha ha
          To the happy home with trees and flowers and chirping birds and basket weavers who sit and smile and twiddle their thumbs and toes
          They’re coming to take me away ha ha…

          I cooked your food, I cleaned your house, and this is how you paid me back for all my kind unselfish loving deeds. Huh? Well you just wait they’ll find you yet, and when they do they’ll put you in the ASPCA you mangy mutt.

          And They’re coming to take me away Ha Ha
          They’re coming to take me away ho ho he he ha ha
          To the funny farm where life is beautiful all the time and I’ll be happy to see those nice men in their clean white coats
          They’re coming to take me away Ha Ha
          To the happy home with trees and flowers and chirping birds and basket weavers who sit and smile and twiddle their thumbs and toes
          They’re coming to take me away Ha Ha Ha

          Your home the one the bank foreclosed, You cried to me Monogamy is the way we both must live or you’ll feel hurt. But, I see, I see there’s someone new, your anxious poly-pure-bred coat was even gone at our place while I paid the rent, thanks!

          And They’re coming to take me away Ha Ha
          They’re coming to take me away ho ho he he ha ha
          To the loony bin with all you can eat perscription drugs like torizine, and lithium, and electric shock and insulin
          They’re coming to take me away Ha Ha

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I agree with what you say about Obama and his health care baloney. I do not need the government punishing me for working, and deciding that I need to give my hard earned money to someone else so they can have health insurance, when Im allready paying 60 bucks a week out of my check to pay for my own. I go to church, and I am a fully devoted believer of Jesus Christ. I willfully and knowingly put 10 percent of my pay into the collection plate, so that there will be food in the storehouse for all. I will decided where my money goes, and I will give with a cheerful heart, as the Lord loves a cheerful giver. But I do not, I repeat, I do not need the government telling me that they know best where my money should go, and take it from me unwillingly and give to to someone else who doesnt want to work for it. It is not the governments job to take care of the poor. Sorry, it just isnt. It is the job of the church. It is the governments job to keep us safe from foreign intrusions with a strong military. It is the governments job to run the police depts. and fire depts. and maintain the roadways and bridges, and national parks. Not decide how much of my money to take, and whom to give it to. No, its not supposed to be that way at all.

      • Kim

        Don’t confuse faith with government for God’s sake or…. our sake of personal rights!!! Our constitution made them parallel equals in rights of powers and in entities…for the obvious reasons of importance to one’s personal rights. Yet you wouldn’t know this with with current spiraling of eroding cultural trends that has been eroded and attacked for far too many years now by a minority that we let get away with this bull crap. Their like wind and water erosion does slowly over time leaching down and break down a solid sheer mountain of rock. This has been bleeding into this country for far too long now….and we the people have allowed this by our oblivion to let the few minority who’ve lost their personal way to trample all over this. NOW, we have a wake up call to the realize this is of our own making. For we’ve allowed to let this slop away. Loose your faith you’ve lost yourself.

        Second, being christian means letting the individual first and foremost help themselves out of the predicament by their poor choices of self that put them there… in the first place. It does not mean giving them hand out of entitlement if they have not made themselves accountable first and foremost. That is neither a Democratic of Republican ownership or label. Please don’t insult my intelligence of lost faith. A hand out of entitlement creates an addiction to the very thing that landed the person their in the first place. Don’t dummy the person down or make them entitled or learned helpless. Is that what you want your government to do for you be your counselor of soul….leave that to self, god or licensed qualified counselor. A government is not your leader to make you soulless or brainless. Oh take care of my please now isn’t that easy way out to find yourself. It’s not suppose to be easy to be earned to appreciate what you are to hold dear. It’s not for me or my faith and the Government doesn’t own that. No thank you, and that sir is not up for entertaining debate.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Maybe you need to read your Bible. Maybe you dont know Jesus, so you just dont get it. It is not the role of the government to take care of people, and house them and feed them. It is the governments job to keep us safe with a military. To keep our highways and road systems operable, and bridges safe. To run our police depts. and fire depts and such. It is the job of the church to take care of the poor, always has been, always will be. I give 10 percent of my income right off the top, as a beginning of my giving, to help accomplish this, with more going elsewhere to help others. If we all who claim Jesus Christ as our saviour did this, there would indeed be enough food in the storehouse that none would be without. But it is not the governments job or responsibility to make sure I have a roof over my head and that I have food in my stomach, and I dont expect them to take care of this for me, and I dont want them to take care of this for me, and I dont expect others to demand this either. But unfortunately, there is a mindset out there that some people feel the government owes them a living and should take care of them. Its not supposed to be that way. Socialism has failed everywhere it has ever been practiced, and that is what they do. Give a bread crumb here and there, and keep you dependant on them. The democrats practice this philosophy, and it is getting worse. Dont let the government get you dependant on them. Be advised, as they continue to grow government and seek more power, that a government big enough to give you everthing, is big enough to take away everything also. I dont want that, and either should you.

        • Mike In MI

          Beberoni -
          It’s simple…they have made the government their god in nearly every facet of life. They usually claim not to believe in a god. But when you look at the things The True God says in His Word that He will help us acquire, preserve and be secure in, those are the things their god, Big Government, tries to provide them. Ohyea, in exchange for their devotion (to the party) nd worship (t the polls).

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Thank you Mike in MI for bringing truth to your posts. I live in the truth, and I fully recognize it when I hear it and see it. You speak the truth sir.

  • JKA

    This is tyranny – we must do everything possible to organize and get our liberty back!

    • Ken Reeder

      I agree we need to encourge one another ,there is strength in numbers, but don”t forget with God and you make a majority.

      • scott

        don,t forget that god is,nt going to fight for this country for you.you have to be willing to fight for your own rights,or accept the consequences for not doing so.

        • Ginger Lymbery

          There are other ways to take down the liberals. #1 is in November…I for one will work very hard to see that every snake crawling on his belly that voted yes for this bill from my state of Texas will see the unemployment line #2 the States have the right to nuffify this legislation if they believe that it is unconstitutional…in other words, the states can tell the federal government to “piss off”; #3 The States can sue the federal government over the mandates that requires us to purchase something that we don’t want to purchase; #4 the states have the right to “recall” their representative after one year of service if the people are unhappy with their productivity…this should be done immediately. So yesterday the Carpet Baggers of Washington voted and sent the shot heard around the world, the revolution has just begun. We have just begun to fight and fight we will until the very end of time. United together, we will take back our country.

          • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

            Correct me if I am wrong, but isn’t it illegal for the government to force anyone into a contract with a third party? Like “you have to buy car insurance” and the like? Being able to do that promotes specific industries to windfall profits, and price gouging. So, that would also make “you gotta buy health insurance” also illegal. 4 trillion dollars to insure less than 10 million and getting the IRS to be the inforcer is a sham. The IRS budget will go up over 80 billion dollars just to enforce it. Methinks there is a rat in the woodpile….

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Oh, and they will be voted out in mass in 2010 and 2012, but the scary thing remains, is just how much damage can they do before they are removed? That is yet to be seen. They are dangerous, because they dont care about you and I. All they care about is their socialist agenda and their own power and wealth. That is what drives them. They want to install total government control, and run a socialist state where they can have power forever and do whatever they want whenever they want. This is the liberal think tank. I have no doubt they will all be removed soon, but how much damage will they do between now and then? That is the question.

  • Paul Marino

    John Boehner (R-Ohio) is truly a great American. For those of you who did not have a chance to hear him on the floor of the House, Mr. Boehner gave the American people a picture of Christmas future.
    The baton has now been passed from the Republican members of Congress to the 912 and Tea Party groups to be fully organized and to take the fight to the front doors of every American voter in every district held by a left-liberal Democrat or “Progressive” Republicans (RINOs). Let us show the world how to bring down those who would destroy our democracy and restrict our freedoms through the democratic process this November. If we can do it here, it will encourage the rest of the world to do the same in countries where socialism and modern day theology is the order of the day.
    Let us not forget what God told Solomon, “If my people which are called by my name shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sins, and heal their land. May God watch over and bless us during these difficult times, because as John Boehner said, “this is only the beginning”. Pray for our country and let us, “GO IN OUR POWER AND SAVE OUR COUNTRY”
    Paul J. Marino, Esq.

    • http://donthaveone Beberoni

      These liberals will be thrown out in mass, in the elections this year, and in 2012. Problem is, just how much damage are they going to cause before we can legally get their worthless hides out of there? That is the question, as it is a fact they are going to be removed.

      • David

        They plan to do a lot of damage. Also I heard the other day that Dems expect to lose big this Nov, but by 2012 they expect to gain many seats back because many more people will be working for the government by then with the 150+ new agencies associated with this health care bill. People aren’t going to bite the hand that feeds them. Couple that with immigration reform…..game over. The scales will be tipped forever unless we convert more people back to conservative beliefs.

        • Joe H.

          David,
          At this point I wouldn’t buy anything depending on those jobs. If boehner has anything to say about it, This circle jerk will be overturned!!!

          • David

            Let’s turn that circle jerk over!

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          David,

          Regarding your comment “will not bite the hand that feeds them”. Not completely true. There are more conservatives in Federal government than your comment may lead many to believe. The conservatives I’m speaking of know whose hand is feeding them….and it is not those crooks in Washington….it is the taxpayers!

          Believe me, as a Fed employee…I’ve spoken up more than many are willing to do and it has cost me dearly over the years in terms of career advancement. I don’t have a family to support financially, so maybe I can afford to be a little more empowered to speak up. I’m lucky too, because I get to work in an environment where I’m helping military and their families….so it’s all good.

          Fed Up Gal

          • David

            Fed Up, that’s good to hear but I think you are an exception to the norm. What do your mates at work say? I hope you are right though. I do know many military folks both active and retired and they are really paying attention to what is going on and in the end I think they will turn to our side. The are so fed up and should side with the the people they love to protect.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Thank you very much for helping our military and their families. As I appreciate what they do for me everyday, allowing me to be free, and write this post right now, I appreciate the things you are doing to help them in their endeavors, so again, thank you for what you are doing to assist them.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            David,

            Military and government employees come from the same walk of life as the rest of society. People sometimes forget these folks were not born a military or government individual. They came from the same places you, your family, your neighbors, teacher, banker, doctor…you name it…they came from the same places the rest of society came from and most are hard workers.

            My assessment is, for the most part they come in to their organizations as either a Democrat, Republican, Independent and rarely as “I’m not political”….that one always makes me laugh, no matter where I hear it. So, I guess I would have to say in my work environment…it seems most are conservative to very conservative and some lean to the Independent side with a few diehard Democrats. Having said that, since all are individuals and bring their family and educational biases/baggage, etc…I’m sure some (like the rest of society and human nature) may say one thing and vote another.

            David, I’m not sure I answered your question….but I tried. If I missed the point to your question, let me know and I’ll try to address it.

            Fed Up Gal

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Beberoni,

            You are very welcome, and I thank you for your very kind comments. Like I’ve said before…I’m lucky that as a civilian (and retired military) I get to work with the military of whom I am very proud to serve (back).

            I also agree with your thought….we all owe the freedoms we’ve had over the years to our military (past and present). OooooooooooooRAH!!!!!!

            Fed Up Gal

      • Harold Olsen

        The Democrats WILL be defeated by Republicans in November and WILL do as much damage as they can before they leave. But, I’m not so sure the Republicans can or will repair the damage. They have been complicit in the damage done. I don’t believe they can be trusted to help us take back our country any more than the Democrats. They are two sides of the same coin and are interchangeable. I don’t trust either party. If The Republicans gain the majority and DON’T do anything to overturn Obamacare, it will ensure Obama’s re-election. And even if Obama is defeated, will a Republican president make any difference? I’m rather skeptical about that. I just do not believe that either party cares about the will of the people and to politicians in both parties, the U. S. Constitution is an illegal document. To them, it’s all about power. I’m fed up with both parties. I’m going to start taking a close look at the Libertarian and Constitution parties. They, at least, seem to care what the people want and believe in the Constitution.

        • Richard

          While agree with Harold on the “don’t trust either party”, I do disagree at this time with the action to be taken. I believe that is would be much easier for conservatives to take control agian of the Republican party tha to expect to get enough people to support groups they know little about. I say this because sadly far to many people don’t pay enough (if any) attention to politics. Not because they are stupid, but out of ignorance they will continue to vote for the main two party candidates. So if conservatives take over the republican party we will gain by default the uniformed right leaning folks as well. I voted for Ross Perot in 92 and that tought me a lesson I shall never forget. If the republicans can’t be redeemed, then move to conquer by whatever peaceful means necessary. God save our Republic!!!

          • Patriot

            Richard,
            You are so right. Those people today that want to establish another 3rd–4th party are out of touch. They do not realize that right now spliting the vote is the worst action that we can take, and the Dem’s are counting on us to do it “again”. We must all hang together as conservatives right now or we we lose everything we are all trying to gain. For right now there are only TWO (2) VIABLE parties in this country and we MUST pick one of them to vote for. After the Nov election we can then look at establishing a 3rd-4th party–Right now we must all vote for one of the established parties.
            God help us all if we can not unite know in this most critical time for our country,
            Please vote for Rep conservative candidates or you will be part of the problem not part of the solution.
            So you don’t mis-understand this is from an Independent–Constitutionalist–Conservative–Liberatarian.

        • independant thinker

          The only way to build an effective third party is from the ground up. Start with local elections then state then national. Unfortunately this takes time that is the one thing we have very little of.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          I am also starting more and more to research that avenue myself Harold. Something has to happen, as this same old song and dance isnt working.

    • Lynn Walker

      John,

      Thank you for your words, they speak well of the challenge we have before us,we must keep our hearts and heads filled with the right course of actions to bring this great land back to its people.

      • JeffH

        Lynn, I so echo your words and those of the great American patriots on this site. We shall overcome this socialist takeover of America and our freedoms. Thanks to Bob Livingston and all of the patriots in America.

    • Norm

      Paul J. Marino, Esq.
      Give me a break!
      John Boehner is the biggest cry baby, not to mention hypocrite, in the House. He is a true obstructionist and right wing nut.
      This is a guy who voted for the medicare part D fiasco, without funding, but now is a venomous opponent of the Dems healthcare bill.
      Someone needs to remind him that his party was trashed in the last 2 elections. Obama ran on change, including healthcare reform, and last night he delivered. The bill is very far from ideal, but maybe if the Republicans had done their jobs, it could have been better.
      Despite the neocon hate machine the bill passed!
      ESQUIRE Marino I am amused by your Christian refrences. I’m not big on religion, but I always thought Jesus preached brotherly love. After all he died(and then lived)to save our sinful selves. It’s not very Christian like to deny your fellow man medical care when he is in need is it?

      • Robin from Arcadia, IN

        Norm… God is the only one who can save our country now. Those who are in power are determined to bring down the United States. The Republicans had some good ideas about how to ‘change’ healthcare. They were in the minority, so those ideas were not considered. Besides, they wouldn’t have helped the socialists who are in office meet their goal. How can this Obamacare be considered a ‘right’ when you have to have it? It’s a form of control. It is not for the good of the people. You are confused and have bought in to the Dems line of thinking. Don’t you think this bill would have been passed with flying colors if it was a good thing? I wonder how many threats were made to those who were opposed to it? Chicago style politics going on here!

      • Joe H.

        Normie,
        I’m going to laugh you right off this site when this fiasco is overturned in the courts!!! Obummer shot himself in the foot when he publically insulted the justices, what do you think will happen after that!!!!
        It’s too bad they did away with tar and feathering and riding out of town on a rail!!!

        • Norm

          Joe H.
          Don’t hold your breath. Whatever Obama did on healthcare is legal. He is very intelligent and has an excellent staff.

          • DaveH

            Norm,
            The Healthcare Bill is Unconstitutional. The Federal Government does not have the power to force people to buy any product.
            You are just a Liberal Zealot who believes in forcing your way on others and stealing their money. You’re nothing better than a rapist or a thief.
            Thanks to people like you (in both major parties), there is going to be great turmoil in this country. We all will lose. Enjoy what you have created scumbag.

          • michael

            If the surpreme court does overturn it which I doubt, then all of us against the”illegal” war in Iraq should sue to get our money back we were forced to buy a product (THE WAR) which we did not want, and then we should stop buying car insurance if we don’t want it. Conservatives make me sick and evangelicals are even worse. I have heard evangelicals stand for “evil angels” I believe that now.

          • momof4

            Norm,
            HaHaHaHaHa,That’s a good one,smart he is just a puppet for the socialist, marxist that have been trying to take over our great country for a long time. Don’t forget to take your vitamins Normie your going to need them.

          • JeffH

            Norm, “Whatever Obama did on health care is legal. He is very intelligent and has an excellent staff.”
            That doesn’t say much for yourself or Michael and the rest of the “socialist network” because Obama was able to suck people just like you into his flock.
            Just an FYI, the executive order Obama promised to sign probably isn’t worth the paper it is written on. The Pres can rescind it anytime he chooses or not sign it at all.
            Only a fool can be fooled.

          • Ron O.

            Norm,
            Don’t really know what you’re thinking but you surely know that this is not about health care. When ever did the government give a damn about your health or mine? This is the same government that took me and sent me to Viet Nam with an M-16 in my hands and now want sme to wear a seat belt. Wake up pal and smell the dung. This is about government control over us……you and me! This is unconstitutional and you will see States beginning to fall ion line to further declare their sovereignty for their citizens and you will see them passing laws to restrict government officials from exercising government authority within the state in matters that partain to that state and it’s intrastate commerce. It IS going to happen. It IS happening even as I write this email. Pelosi and her comrads have told us that “we are in power now and we will do as we please.” What message does that send to you? You need to know that there has been a line drawn in the sand, just like the one Travis drew in the sand at Alamo and you will need to decide on which side of that line you are going to stand. Trust me, this nation has seen brother against brother once in our history alrady and it’s heading that direction again. That is a reality.

          • John

            Norm,
            You people really are delusional. Or you are one of those people just looking for a free ride from the government at the expense of hard working individuals.
            What else could explain such stupidity?

        • Harold Olsen

          Yes, Obama humiliated the Supreme Court by overruling their decision and he got away with it. The Supreme Court will most likely rule against Obamacare, but so what? He’ll just overrule them again. He got away with it once and has no reason to believe he won’t get away with it again. He considers himself to be the absolute ruler (probably for life) of this country and no one, not even the Supreme Court, is going to tell him what he can or can’t do. Had Obamacare not passed, I believe he would have just passed it by Executive Order.

          • Joe H.

            Harold Olsen,
            would you mind telling me just how he is going to overturn the decision of the highest court in the country??? that’s a sure ride on the impeachment special!!!!

        • Palin12

          Joe, I was thinking the exact same thing yesterday about Obummer insulting the Supreme Court. There are currently 6 justices nominated by Republicans, and 3 by democrats. 4 of the 9 are solid conservatives and one moderate usually sides in with the conservatives. I am confident the individual mandate will be ruled unconstitutional. Several States are also drawing up papers to opt-out.

          • Joe H.

            palin12,
            i hope they kick his assets and create a little humility in him!!!

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            President Andrew Jackson defied the Supreme Court.

            Jackson was a Republican Democrat which I find totally humorous. In his first election, he had the popular vote but because of the lack of a developed party system in those days and no support of law, Henry Clay threw his support to John Quincy Adams, the son of the second President John Adams, and was elected by the House Of Representatives.

            That “Corrupt Bargain” was just like the Supreme Court interference in the Bush v. Gore Decision that ended the recount in Florida and gave the election to Bush, who did not have the popular vote, by a 5-4 decision for Bush II.

            In 1828, Jackson ran again and was elected. Jackson had the National Debt completely paid off. He abolished the National Bank by a veto of its recharter legislation because it was subject to control by foreign interests and had too much control over Congress.

            Jackson signed the Indian Removal Act into Law in 1830. In a case brought by the State Of Georgia in a jurisdictonal dispute with the Cherokees over land where gold had been discovered, John Marshall who had become the chief architect of establishing the U.S. Supreme Court ruled for the Cherokees.

            Jackson’s famous reply was that “John Marshall made the Decision. Now let him enforce it.” In turn, Jackson forced the Cherokee leaders to sign an agreement to remove them to lands in the far West which became known as the “Trail Of Tears”.

            Article 10 of the U.S. Constitution includes the “Commerce Clause” which gives the U.S. government “universal control” of interstate commerce. Since health care is an interstate commerce, the individual state objections to it will not hold up under the weight of prior U.S. Supreme Court decisions made over 200 years.

            But that assumes the Roberts Court will be both “Fundementalist” and not engage in “judicial activism” like they did with the United Citizens v. Federal Elections Commision Decision. If they continue to overule the Fundemental Constitution and stare decisis of case law, then Obama and Legislature will have to make a decision on the response they need to make for the judicial branch of the U.S. that has gone rogue.

      • MW

        Norm: Change does not always equate to better! As matter fact I expect the situation to get worse. You may be getting your jollies now but it might be no laughing matter down the road when you find yourself turned down for healthcare!

      • scott

        hey [offensive word removed}like you that bring this country down and put a filthy socialist scumbag in office.you need to be dragged out to the street and shot along with the rest of you dumb liberal scum.no one in this country is denied health care loser,why do you think all the illegals get it [offensive word removed].healthcare is,nt a constitutional right.if scum like you want healthcare get off your lazy scummy [offensive word removed] and work to afford it like real americans do.not like money grubbing lazy scum that think they deserve it just because i have it.peice of [offensive word removed] with teeth.

      • Richard

        Never ceases to amaze me that the non-religious love to attempt to use religious thought to denounce conservative ideals. I sadly have a athiest brother and he loves to try this manuver. Well here’s a little Bible info for you….Jesus called on his people to care for the hungry, the unclothed, the sick, the less fortunate; and so Christians do this and they do it very well as is proven by how much more consersatives give to charity while liberals give very little if anything to charity. Addition info for you my unfortunate friend…Jesus, as I said, called on his people to care for the less fortunate, He never said it was the governments job!

        • momof4

          Richard,
          you have spoken the truth, and said it well.

        • Kim

          Richard

          Well said. Kim

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Richard you hit the nail on the head brother. It is the church, which is the body of believers of Jesus Christ, who are called upon by Jesus himself to take care of the poor. The government’s job is to run the military, the police, the fire depts, maintain the infrastructure and such, not be a social agency, and decide whose money they should take and who they deem fit to receive it. This is something they should not be involved in. They have sank the school system, social security, medicare, medicaid, the post office, and now there are those that want them to manage our health care? How can they be serious. Everything they run ends up broke and bankrupt. They need to butt out of this. But their socialist agenda wont let them.

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Beberoni,

            You are so right! The problem is that the “sheep” continue to bribe politicians….with one hand reaching out for the free stuff….while holding their vote hostage….and most politicians don’t have the integrity to say “enough” and then follow-through! Really…the sheep are as guilty as the unscrupulous politicians.

            Fed Up Gal

      • John T

        “Quoted from Norm”
        “I am amused by your Christian refrences. I’m not big on
        religion, but I always thought Jesus preached brotherly love.
        after all he died(and then lived)to save our sinful selves.
        it’s not very Christian like to deny your fellow man medical
        care when he is in need is it?”

        I hate to tell you this NORM, But the United states IS following the principles of Jesus Christ. We do not deny medical care to anyone when they need it…
        Have you been into an Emergency Room lately. Have you failed to notice how many Illegal Immigrants use it as their “FREE HEALTH CARE”?
        The reason most people do not have Medical Insurance, is because there is no real competition. Most states only have a few options to choose from… therefore the Insurance Companies can charge what ever they want… remove the restrictions and allow Insurance providers to sell across state lines and, EVIL WORD TO FOLLOW, “Capitalism” will do the rest… health care cost will plummet, more people will purchase it, and… Here’s the real reason they won’t allow this… Govt will get less money and power over the industry and the people dependant on it.

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          It is, when the government puts restrictions and restraints on the free market system, that we start having problems. If the government would just get out of the way, and let capitalism do their thing, all of us would benefit tremendously.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Its not the job of the government Norm, to take money from me, to pay for insurance for a guy that refuses to work. This has nothing to do with Christianity. It is not the governments job to take from those whom they think they should take from, and give to those whom they think to be worthy. You see Norm, I give my money to the church and other organizations freely, that they make step up and help those in need. Others cause I get involved and give time and money directly to, that I may help. This is a conscience choice I make out of love in my heart that Jesus Christ has put there. But it is not the governments place or position, to decide that they need to take some more money from me, and give it to someone they deem needs it. Not their job or place Norm. I mean look at the wonderful job they do with all the money and things they run now. The public schools – broke and in trouble. Social security – broke and in trouble. Medicare and Medicaid – broke and in trouble. The US Postal Service – broke and in trouble. And many many more things. And you honestly want them to take over running the best health care system in the world? Do you really? And on what basis can you possible deem them qualified to do this? Show me come good reasons, and Ill buy in to what your selling, but based on their current record of running things, I think Ill have to pass. Thank you, and and have a great day.

    • Pam

      I am a Christian, and I agree with all that you’ve said, but realize that Obama has recently re-instated Interpol by use of his Executive Orders, which would allow this outside entity to operate within the realm of our government system, eventhough it is an outside entity, with the ability to act as the KGB to American citizens leaving us virtually defenseless to our own Government’s encrouchment via any type of unwarranted search, seizure, etc. Together with the Counsel of Governors that he has also recently set up accross the country, I sense that he’s already geared up for any type of resistance and will resort to martial law against those who would fight this totalitarian takeover. Are the American people ready to handle this?

      • Joe H.

        Pam,
        don’t bet the farm on interpol interfering in our politics in this country!!! They realize that almost every citizen is armed and with all types of armament!!!

        • JeffH

          Joe H., you can bet that a full fledged attack on our gun rights by this administration will be coming soon. Mark my words.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Jeff H, next will be amnesty__I said it before , the dems are gonna needs votes in November!

          • JeffH

            The Dems will be better off planning their future outside of US politics when the literal voter bloodbath starts in November. Well, actually it started with NJ and Va and Ma. They are going to suffer overwhelming losses at the polls.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            You are correct Jeff. Why is it, and how is it Jeff, that you and I and many others can see the truth as plain as our hand in front of us, but some of the liberals on this site, can see what these guys are doing, and still attempt to back them like they are doing the right things? How in the world can that be? Are they all non working bums looking to live on the public dole or what? How can you possibly be a working man, and agree that its ok to keep taking and taking from the working class, and giving and giving more and more to those who feel they shouldnt have to work? I just dont understand how these people cannot see how wrong this is. I dont get it.

      • Pam

        My comments were in response to Paul Marino. I also agree with others that have stated that Obama should be ousted for treason together with the other kooks he’s aligned himself with such as his czars whose ideologies like his own are in line with Marxism. He’s done enough just with his executive orders that are against the protection and freedom of the American people that I don’t know what we’re waiting for to throw him and the rest of his cronies out of Washington. I know it’s not easy, but if other countries that lack our sophistication can do it, we certainly can. It upsets me so much to see our constitution being subverted, which is supposed to be the supreme law of the land, and we are not holding these kooks accountable. We are trying to “play by the rules” by having non-violent protests, and emailing and writing letters to our representatives, etc., but how can you play by the rules with people who are shredding them??? When are we going to do something drastic? It’s obvious what we’re up against. I’m afraid if we try to wait for the November elections, and “play by the rules” again, we’ll be unable to come back. This administration has laid an infastructure so wide and deep which is well funded and supported by those that oppose freedom.

        • kodster5

          Hear, hear! I agree, totally, with you, Pam. As someone else posted, this has gotten to be such a cancer, with its tentacles so deep and entrenched, and now with the Executive Orders that Obama did not waste any time in placing, we’re going to implode.

          I also agree with other posters, if you know the Word, you will know that the Lord has already ordained this… it’s a set-up for hyperinflation, and it will be a global one. It will indeed be a day’s wages for a loaf of bread. Israel is becoming isolated. Syria is ready to wage war against Israel, and Israel will retaliate with the Samson option (nuclear), and wipe off Damascus from the face of the earth, something that has never happened, but will, according to His Word. Look up, folks, for He is about to return for His true believers, to take them up from the tribulations that will happen due to these treasonous acts. He allowed America to be created on His principles… much like Israel was, but failed, and was dissolved. Now, since the Progressives started taking our liberties away… the timing of the Balfour Mandate, which created Israel as a nation again, to be re-born, is the time that Teddy Roosevelt, as president of this nation that was supposed to be based on God-given principles, started to drift away from God… if you check the timeline, you will see… God started to bring back and activate His plan based on our pulling away from Him.

        • Harold Olsen

          We’ll play by the rules but the Obama regime won’t. Or I should say, the Obama regime will make up the rules as they go along, so they can ensure that they stay in power. They’ll register illegals and even resurrect the dead to get enough votes to win.

          • Joe H.

            Harold,
            One thing I taught my kids is street smarts, so yes, I’ll play by the rules but I’ll also be wary!!!! I still say if they try to confiscate the guns there will be such an uprising that you will not recognise this country!!! Also t5here are more and more Oath Keepers!!! God Bless them all!!!

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            And it will probably be the same dead guys that voted Kennedy into office in 1960. That is the only way he beat Nixon in that close election, was the thousands of dead people that voted for him. And they will try it again, along with millions of illegal aliens that someone the dems will get registered to vote.

      • David

        Pam, don’t forget our military. When the time comes they will be there for us.

        • Harold Olsen

          Hopefully.

      • scott

        revolution.

        • JeffH

          ..at the polls. Anything beyond that must be initiated by those in the government and met by those that are well prepared. God forbid.

          • David

            True and it’s no longer North versus South. Remember us “redneck teabaggers” (Pelosi’s opinion) are also the well prepared group of individuals who do not rely on the gov. The big dumb dumbies that depend on the liberals are very weak minded people.

      • http://myronjpoltroonian.blogspot.com Myron J. Poltroonian

        I belong to the oldest civil rights group in the country, the NRA (Life Member). I do not purport to speak for them, only myself, but after years and years of watching our constitution being eviscerated, I can no longer stand silent. I must speak what is in my mind and heart regarding my almost 69 years of observation and experience. I’ve heard about something being called “The Oath Takers” that is being subscribed to by many rank and file solders and policemen across the country. Their “superiors, of course, are much more reticent to publicly take the oath. What it basically says is that the “Promiser” will not take part in any disarmament of the general population of America, nor any abridgment of their freedoms, including the right to freely move about the country and not be “rounded up” and be placed in FEMA “Security Camps”. If this is true, I have a warning for those who do not feel inclined to make the promise. 1. If you wonder what these reports are ginning up, go to the government’s Army Jobs page and look up “Internment/Resettlement Specialist”. I did. It upset me so much I sent the following to them: “I find this ad for “Internment/Resettlement Specialist” today? August 15th of 2009, 65 years to the day Emperor Hirohito conceded defeat, ending WW II? I’m an ex GI (06/’59 – 06/’62) living next door to an 88 year old WW II vet, a survivor of the “Battle of the Bulge”, and I find this? This is not the “My country, right or wrong, my country” I learned to love as a child, youth and adult. This is what I went into the service to, if necessary, sacrifice my life to protect us against. Shame on you. “I was just following orders” was not, is not, nor will it ever be a defense for crimes against your fellow countrymen. I call it treason. Plain and simple.” 2. Then: “Give me liberty, or give me death!” was enough. Now: “Give me liberty or I’ll give you death!”, should be closer to the truth. Then: “You can have my guns when you take them from my cold, dead fingers!” expressed an attitude I always considered defeatist. Now: “You may not take my guns from my cold, dead fingers. Rather, they will take my bullets from your cold, dead bodies!” is my version of an American Constitutionalist attitude. Now that’s an attitude Americans can live and survive as freemen with. As I have noted before: “It is coming”. Unless, of course, we’ve already crossed the Rubicon into defeatism. My advice? “Aim just below the blue helmet – no matter what color it is”

        • JeffH

          Myron J. Poltroonian, I salute you for your courage. Very well said and very real.

        • Jon

          Excellent, couldn’t agree more. The End of Times, The New World Order, The Illuminati, Obama Nation Under Islam, whatever you want to call it, is upon us. Be prepared, Get prepared, water, food, guns & ammunition (plenty).Lock & Load….One Shot…One Kill….What Makes The Grass Grow Green?……Blood…….Get ready folks….!

          • JeffH

            The Shadow Party.

        • dave

          Myron; First of all I thank you as well as all veterans for your service. I am not a veteran but just an every day common man and tax payer. I too smell a bad storm coming and those in power seem to have a bring it on attitude. I truly fear for the futures of my children and grand children. This bunch has got to go, but at the same time we as a people have to make sure that no one group takes this much power again. Allot of people are oblivious as to what is going on because the noose has been tightening ever so slow over the years. There are books that have been written on the subject and even hints made and as we all know they are getting real brave about their actions. We the people need to demand our states to get our rights back. They have the power all they have to do is read. My grand father all ways said that if you cant or won’t read you can not be free. I do both and intend to make all the noise I can to get the word out. God bless all of us I know the Government will not!

        • David

          Wonderful! Educate the young people. Make them sit down and understand what is going on. This is historic! Soon the middle class will be in a class war with the the welfare class.

    • Lonnie Rollins

      You have hit the nail right square on the head Paul, if every American or person who names the name of Jesus will do exactly what is said in II Chron 7:14, God would take charge and it would be like the walls of Jerico that came tumbling down. But we must act now and vote all of these rascals out…AMEN

    • Bev

      Amen!

    • Grover Syck

      John ‘Bonehead’ is my representative. I will be ding every thing I can to make him my ‘ex’ representative.

      His childish out burst was disgusting. On top of that, he and the rest of the republicans (republican’ts) are only interested in the welfare of the rich, and the corporations.

      This bill was a small step in the right direction. We still have much to do. The biggest thing is to go with a single payer government administered system. with luck, I will see it happen before I dye.

      • momof4

        Grover,
        Whats wrong can’t take care of youself? Do you need big brother to do it for you. Is there no pride in people anymore.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Get over it allready. The republicans are for the rich and democrats for the working man. That is an old twisted lie. The democrats are loaded with rich guys, and they own about everything. George Soros is one of their biggest fund suppliers. The working man appreciates the republicans lowering taxes on business’s, so that they can hire more workers, expand operations, and keep us working. The democrats tax business’s, forcing them to lay off workers to pay the tax bills. Do you not understand it, or are you reading this crap off of the democrats playbook from 1960? Get educated man. Its 2010. Time to get educated. At least examine things and see what your saying is a total lie.

    • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

      There seemed to be too much swearing among his whining and crying.

      He just shot himself in the foot with his mouth about any political future with his drama queen antics.

      He also looked like a drowned dog.

      • Fed Up Gal in NM

        RUN,

        Hmmmmm….then I guess Kennedy (you know Ted’s son…the one who said he’s done now)…must have just shot “up” when he went on his rant…the guy could barely compose himself.

        Fed Up Gal

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Swearing? Are we talking about Rham Emmanual here?

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          Beberoni,

          Don’t forget about Biden’s potty mouth…….

          Fed Up Gal

  • David

    What happened yesterday had nothing to do with health care. Just power over the people. Next comes immigration reform so we can add another 10% to our population and tip the scales forever to the democrats.

    Unfortunately for the hard working Latinos, they have been fooled by their representatives to belive that they should stand for health care, cap & trade, etc because it’s the right thing to do to improve thier lives. This is so sad because it is so far from the truth and they are just being used. In the end, there will be no jobs for them as they watch this country become just as depressed as their own.

    By the way, Stupak is a wuss. The executive order he worked so hard to get did not even make pro-choice congressmen flinch. Why? Because any judge can overturn it, and that is the goal. You caved to the pressure and you know it. A very weak person you are.

    • Lynn Walker

      David,

      The Supreme Court case of Youngstown Steele vs. Sawyer limits the Presidents Executive Powers. Truman made an attempt to take over Private Industry Steel Companies, he failed. The American people need to revisit just how far Mr. Obama’s powers can reach. I pray not near as far as he intends to go. Once again we have a “Power Hungry” individual, or should I say, “group of individuals” who think they have fooled everyone. Not Yet!!!!! Not Yet!!!!!!

      • Norm

        Lynn Walker
        Waa Waa Waa.
        The neocon Waterloo was a bust. Tough. The 2010 elections will give the right a little comeback, but the latest polls indicate they will not gain a majority in either house.

        • David

          Norm is lov’n this. Can’t wait for the money to run out from tax payers. Who will take care of Norm then? You remind me of Stupak….very weak

          • Norm

            David
            Maybe if we can stay out of war for awhile, and crank taxes up to their pre Bush levels(which were still quite low as democracies go), and do some more to cut healthcare waste and fraud, we just might start seriously reducing the deficit.

          • DaveH

            You and your criminal buddies are institutionalizing Healthcare Waste and Fraud, you Ignorant Liberal Zealot. Whenever leaders get to much power, corruption follows.
            You are a perfect example. You lust for other people to pay for your heathcare. Of course, you have it rationalized, but in the end there are only two ways to make healthcare affordable to those who currently can’t afford it. One is to take the money from others (theft and slavery). The other is to get Government out of the Healthcare business. Of course, you would oppose the second because it empowers the consumer and doesn’t enslave them. You and your criminal fellows would much rather steal the money of others and force your way on them.
            Go have a stiff drink, Norm, and convince yourself that you aren’t the lowlife human being that you are.

          • Joe H.

            DaveH,
            There isn’t that much booze in the United States!!!!

          • Norm

            DaveH
            As I’ve stated many times, I have healthcare from my former employer and I have medicare. I’m fine. Nobody is paying for me.
            It may shock you, but the people in the US pay way to much for far to little. The system is horrible. It sucks. This is a definate step in the right direction. This isn’t 1750. We have advanced in many areas and need to address them. What’s your problem? Is it the taxes or are you just a nasty [offensive word removed].

          • Joe H.

            Abnlormal,
            Hey dumazz!!! We are already in TWO wars. wake up stupid!!! Obummer just added troops to Afghanistan even though you want to forget that. And his secretary of state, Clintoon is riling up Iran as of late. We will be there, also before it is over,CHUMP!! Or is that CHIMP???

          • DaveH

            Norm,
            I don’t care if you’re stealing the money of others to benefit yourself or your friends, you are still nothing more than a low-life thief

          • DaveH

            And lowlife Norm, if you don’t like the cost of healthcare, then don’t buy it. Nobody puts a gun to your ignorant Liberal head forcing you to buy their services.
            As I have said before, Ignorant Liberal, get together with your intelligent (joke) Liberal buddies and start your own healthcare providers, and your own healthcare insurance companies. Give your services away to your heart’s content. But don’t force others to donate their services.
            You are really no different than the Southern Slave Owners of bygone days who you and your Liberal buddies have complained about for most of your lives.

        • Norm

          2010 election predictions…

          http://www.electionprojection.com/index.php

          • michael

            Norm. other than my self you seem to be one of few really intelligent people on here keep fighting buddy. I predict slim gains for thr right in 2010. The passage of healthcare has really electrified the base. GOD BLESS THE DEMOCRATS FOR THEY ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT PEOPLE.

          • JeffH
          • JeffH
          • James

            Michael- you and Norm have to be seriously confused to believe some of the things you have said. “You would rather let people die than have healthcare reform”- seriously? The truth is that healthcare does need reform, but not government control. It is government mandates and limits that control the healthcare market already and cause problems, not to mention a lack of tort reform that is so obviously necessary. Changes are needed, but Obamacare will do nothing to correct the problems- it will only make them worse. The people who truly don’t care are those in congress, both Republican and Democrat, who are just there for the power grab. So many liberal ideas are made with the best of intentions, but you know what they say about the road to hell. That is the road Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the liars are taking us on.

          • Grover Syck

            From the republican’ts perspective, to say the projection is optimistic, is an under statement.

        • Norman

          What are You? The only one on here that is trash taking that is who no fact just Bull Be happy you will see. Hiding behind a computer screen and babbling, typical.
          The real rebound is on its way actions speak volumes.

          • Norm

            Norman
            Huh

          • DaveH

            Norm,
            Your Grammar may be better, but your logic consists solely of whatever will get you what you want. No morality, just animal instinct.

          • scott

            thats norma you dumb [offensive word removed] .i,m surprised a nit wit like you and michelle can know how to use a computer.{offensive words removed}

        • kodster5

          What are you going to do, Norm, when there just isn’t anyone who can afford to pay the taxes, because they don’t have a job anymore? The scales are tipping towards the point where there isn’t enough money to pay the taxes, and people are going to revolt, stop paying them. What is the government going to do then? Lock up 300 million plus people in prisons? We’re already heading that way, but they will be homeless, not in physical prisons. When you have too many people on the dole, looking for handouts, and not enough people paying into the system to support those handouts, everyone loses, because we just cannot afford to sustain the number of people who are being forced on the government. The government NEEDS the people in jobs to pay the taxes, but if they don’t have jobs? They go on the dole… increased people on the dole, not enough people to support them in the private sector? Do the math!

          Has it occurred to anyone that those on the federal payroll are having money stolen from them, in the form of federal taxes? Guess they’re feeling that they’re supporting themselves, maintaining the status quo. They’re paying out to support themselves, their own retirement package.

          • http://myronjpoltroonian.blogspot.com Myron J. Poltroonian

            I’m afraid the only way we’ll finally have the borders fenced is when the government needs them to keep the earners – those who pay the freight – from leaving.

          • Joe H.

            Myron,
            That won’t stop us from just stopping the work we do!!! Lrt THEM support US for a change!!!when they can’t get their precious booze and party favors then you’ll hear them howl!!! Imagine P-lousy without booze for 48 hours!!!

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Myron,

            A sad thought, that’s for sure!

            Fed Up Gal

        • Grover Syck

          Once the public see what this bill will do FOR them, the republican’ts will probably again be the ‘not so super minority’. We need to have a strong democratic control of the senate to bet things done.

          • momof4

            Grover,
            You mean strong demonic control of the senate,right?

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Grover,

            You said “We need to have a strong democratic control of the senate to bet things done”.

            I read between your lines…..and I think you are really saying…We need to have a strong democratic control of the senate….to be able to legally steal from others.

            Fed Up Gal

          • Jana

            Fed Up Gal,

            You quoted him as saying:

            “We need to have a strong democratic control of the senate to get things done”.

            Not to get things done, it is to CONTROL THE PEOPLE!

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Hi Jana,

            Yes I know; I meant to quote what he actually typed and then I typed what I think he actually wanted to type. Clear as mud? LoL. Sorry if my comment was confusing.

            Fed Up Gal

          • Jana

            Fed Up Gal,
            Hi back.
            I don’t think you understood what I was doing, I was changing your steal from the people answer and putting in “control the people”.
            I was actually adding to your answer. :)

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Ok Jana; I got it now. Thank you!

            Fed Up Gal

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          You actually believe those polls Norm? Come on man. They lost New Jersey, Virginia and Massachusetts, bam, bam, bam. And you think just a little rally? Get in touch with reality Norm. It going to be slam dunk kick the liberals to the curb party. People have seen their true colors Norm, and they dont like it. Theyve even lost quite a few of their own over these latests antics. When your going to tell the people that you dont care what they think, and ramrod through what you want, as the Obama admin did with this health care fiasco, the people see who they are, and they are outta here Norm. Dont fool yourself thinking small gains. Its going to be massive. You can thank me later for exposing the truth to you, because now you know.

    • Harold Olsen

      Contrary to popular belief, Stupak is not and never has been pro-life. He just pretends to be, the way John McCain pretends to be a conservative. Stupak wanted to vote for Obamacare all along and was looking for an excuse to do so and still make people believe he was pro-life. The Executive Order promised by Obama was his excuse for doing it and it backfired on him. People now see him for what he really is, a baby killing abortion supporter. I caught a segment of him on Fox this morning trying to justify what he did and his voice was shaking because he knows that the American people know what a liar and hypocrite he really is.

  • thefedupamerican

    I’m afraid s c is right…we may be looking at the end of liberty…in effect, the death of America. So Sad today. http://www.thefedupamerican.com

    • Mike In MI

      Dear Fedup -

      We’re only finished if people generally or in a wide spread manner assume that attitude. Remember, when the American Revolution started
      only about 16% of the people were actively engaged and passionately disposed against the Englsh crown. About another 16% were opposed to the English Crown, but not so much as to be anything but verbal about it. About a third didn’t want to get involved, were too busy, just wanted to get along with everbody else or saw themselves as in some way indebted to Britain. About 16% percent were vehemently and actively engaged on behalf of King George for business, religious, patriotic or family reasons. The rest just floundered around on the misty flats.

      So buck up, Find out who else is on your side. Get hold of a book called, “The Light and The Glory” by Peter Marshall and David Manuel; a Revell publication. If they could count on God’s assistance on behalf of their cause (and because they needed freedom to worship Him and live for Him according to the best they knew of the Scriptures)then we can too. But what’s in that parenthesis has to be the impetus behind you. God ain’t dead, just because local churches are.
      If a supposedly Bible based group doesn’t have a tradition and track record of God doing really great things for the faithful, go elsewhere. Expect Him to help you find what He has to offer. And, use your imagination. What could you do, what would life be like if God would share His power that created the Heaven and the Earth with YOU.

      On the other hand, If you ust want to be dismayed an distressed, give up and be a registered O

      • Mike In MI

        registered Obamaite. At some point he will want you to crawl before his altar and lay your lips on his tush.

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          Mike in MI,

          Absolutely superb response! I am not a Christianity expert, but I do try to be the best Christian I can be (as flawed as my attempts sometimes are).

          I think we get so caught up in what’s happening around us in our daily lives and on the news…that we have a tendency to forget….that no political party is truly in charge (ever)….God is the one who is really in charge….we just have to have faith and trust he will make the needed corrections…in his time…not ours.

          This does not mean we sit on our laurels and do or say nothing. It means we ask God for guidance and try to stay in the good fight while keeping the faith and trusting in God. Afterall, having faith and trusting in God is what Christians are to aspire to.

          Fed Up Gal

          • Jana

            Fed Up Gal,

            AMEN!

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        You are correct Mike. We arent done. Weve just begun to fight. When the going gets tough, the tough get going. America has realized its mistake, and its going to rally back and correct it bigtime.

    • Grover Syck

      With the passage of this, the first step to a national, single payer system, we have also taken the first step to bringing America in to the twenty first century. The US is the only developed nation that does not have a national health care system.

      We are not there, but this is a first step.

      • momof4

        Grover,
        our healthcare was the best in the world. Sorry but we are not like every other country. We are special because we have been blessed by God. I know you Libs hate to hear that, but it is true. May God continue to have mercy on us.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        And its so good, that the majority of Canadians with any money come down here and willingly pay our doctors in our health systems for surgeries, that they could have free up there. Ever wonder why Grover? Dont you wonder why that is? Maybe someone with heart problems doesnt have the time to wait 3 weeks to get back in to be seen. Yeah, its kind of like that.

  • lou

    It is odd that we the people must fallow the rules, but our elected officals will not!

    • J C

      Odd? I suppose. But I think it’s actually disgusting. What it points out very plainly is that the ruling class (yes we have one) is above a law for “We The People” and they are free to tax and dispose of us as they wish. Looks just like America under England’s King George, and yet some moron is going to call that “progress”.

      • scott

        when the gov,t mandates you to get healthcare they call it extending.funny,i call it extortion.somehow they say it makes it affordable now to by raiseing the cost and taxes,hmmmmm,i must have learned the wrong stuff growing up in a white school.guess thats why we can,t call obamas buddys terrorrists anymore.we don,t want to hurt they,re feelings.give me a break.don,y say [offensive words removed],or midget eathert.people can,t handle dealing with they,re feelings like an adult is suppose to do.

        • http://myronjpoltroonian.blogspot.com Myron J. Poltroonian

          Dear Sir, Would you mind cleaning up your all too colorful rhetoric? This is the second or third time I’ve run across “[offensive words removed]” in your posts. They detract from any valid points (if any) you are trying to make. I say this out of a desire to try and hold a more allegorical, if not at least a somewhat civil discourse. We have enough, “Spawn of UnWedded Bliss” as it is. Thank you.

    • American liberal

      Would you be aginst Healthcare insurance if you came down with Cancer?… Sure you would……I think you rightys should refuse Social security and Medicare….and if you should lose your jobs… Unemployment insurance is socialism…. Bad…how dare those nasty liberals …they should strike that nasty socialist idea from the bible about feeding the masses with a few loafs of bread and a few fish…it’s socialism..

      • Joe H.

        if it had to be forced on others so I could have it then yes I would be against it!!! If I am dying then the only thing I have is my morals and I will stick by them.
        I had this conversation with my daughter as we were talking about jobs. She asked me if I would take a job at an adult bookstore that panders pornography just across a highway from a daycare and I told her no. she asked why and I told her if I abandon my morals and ideals then what am I???

      • Jim H.

        Hi AM, Yes I would be against THIS healthcare plan if I had cancer, because I would like to have the BEST care availiable, not the shlock care I’ll get from this. Unemployment insurance is just that, insurance, paid for by the employer, NOT a tax. Loaves & fish were given to Jesus voluntarily, not forcfuly like a tax, so that comparison doesn’t work.

      • kodster5

        The difference between the loaves and fishes, and the socialists’ agenda? No one forced the listeners to eat the loaves and fish. And just like at a party, where a spread of food is provided to the guests (and the listeners WERE voluntarily there as guests!), no one is forcing the guests to eat. This legislation FORCES people to partake, whether they want it or not.

        So stop twisting the Bible to deny its Truth, using it against believers!

      • scott

        again another nitwit.you scum like to quote the bible but only parts you like and never the whole quote because that would mean the opposite of what you want to beleive.the bible says give a man food you feed him for one day,teach him to fish you feed him for a lifetime.but you scum are lazy so you just want to be fed,not have to work for it.

      • Harold Olsen

        Twenty-five years ago I DID have cancer. Had Obamacare been in existence then, the chances are I’d be dead now. My doctor decided what tests to give me and what my treatment was. Under Obamacare, the government would be making those decisions. The government can’t even run the government. How can they expect to run healthcare?

      • momof4

        Lib,
        The loaves and fish were given, not taken by force. Jesus never ever said it was OK to steal from one person to give to anouther. The settlers of Jamestown tried socialism it almost killed them. It’s human nature for some to be slackers.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        I dont need the government to take care of me, thank you very much. My sister came down with cancer, but she got by allright, because she BOUGHT AND PAID FOR health insurance where she worked. Geez, theres a novel idea, get a job. And dont you prostitute the Bible. Jesus multiplied the fish and bread, as a lesson to his disciples to trust in the Lord to provide. But I notice you left something out, to do with the fish, did not not? Did he not also say, give a man a fish, and he can eat for a day, teach him to fish, and he cant eat everyday? Lesson being, dont just give a man a fish to eat (a handout) and expect him to be able to fend for himself. No, teach him how to fish (how to work to provide for himself), and he will be able to fend for himself everyday. Funny how you left that out.

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          Beberoni,

          Once again….you nailed it! Thank you!

          Fed Up Gal

  • the sermonator

    Two points:
    1.)The line in the sand has been drawn. Perhaps the passage of this bill will further motivate lovers of liberty.
    2.)Alexander Hamilton was not the 2nd (or any) president of our country, he was secretary of the treasury.

    • J C

      And Hamilton was the first of the American traitors who saw central banking as a vehicle for he and his rich buddies and the Constitution as his personal vehicle to endless power…through interpretations of the “Implied Powers”. We live in Hamilton’s, not Jefferson’s America today.

  • Elaine Allred

    I was wondering if there is any mechanism in government where the people can recall their representatives for this kind of tyranny. I live in Ohio and would like to recall all of my representative for representing Nancy Pelosi and her gang instead of me.

    • David

      Did you see her cross the bridge yesterday with the symbolic gavel in her hand? The crowd almost shoved it up her butt!

      • American

        Yeah David, wasn’t that something? The really sad thing she did yesterday though was the speech she gave last night basically saying that obamacare was what our founding fathers wanted for us. Everyone thinks that our vioces are not being heard but that’s not true. We are being heard, we’re just not being listened to. We are being ignored. Why the sudden change in tactics (speech content, etc.)? They hear what we’re saying and then twist words to try to convince us that they are actually doing what we want but we’re not understanding. Those voters who were undecided as to whether or not this is a good thing but now believe it is because of the latest changes that came in the last few days don’t realize that there are loopholes for each of those changes so they’re basically useless; just there to make us feel better. How many out there know that this isn’t only about healthcare, that are there are a lot of things thrown in (as is always the case) that have nothing to do with the original bill like student loans now becoming another government-run program? I think the thing to do now is to stop screaming at lawmakers who ignore us. It’s time for us to change course as well. What I’m seeing is tyranny and treason. Is it not illegal to buy votes? Is that not what obama has been doing recently? He’s offered so many “sweetheart deals” to members of congress in exchange for their “yes” votes. He has bought their votes just as he did with his election. It’s time for us to make these people accountable for all of their illegal activities. These laws are on the books but we have forgotten them or been afraid to try to push them into effect. With a supreme court that now (justafiably) has an unfavorable opinion of obama we need to be filing lawsuits against those guilty of treason. We need to demand a birth certificate from the “messiah” and stop being afraid of making him angry. We need to file every suit possible against any member of congress who has broken a law and force them out even before elections come up. If we don’t take our country back now, before it gets to the point that we can’t, than it’s nobody’s fault but our own.

        • scott

          absolutely correct.obama got all his votes by blackmail,and extortion.somehow it,s legal for him,but not for us.impeach the scum now.

        • Joe H.

          American,
          his is what I was talking about the other day. i worried about the health care bill, but I also worried about what was also hidden in a bill that takes 2700 pages to pass health care!!! We still haven’t seen everything that will ride in on this bill and that is why the SCOTUS needs to overturn it and soon!!!

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            JoeH, That health bill was written in the same context as the US tax code__very few can read it without a legal analyst!__and just exactly the way the Liberals want it, written in gray, to add or to take away at will__very little in stone___dumb down the Americans!

        • http://donthaveone Beberoni

          Words and actions are two very different things. Just like when Obama did his speech on TV a while back. The commentator noted that he agree with most everything Obama said. He then stated, however, that he disagree’s with most everything he has done, and henceforth, there is the problem. These lepers on the left say one thing, and do another, and think we are stupid enough to not know. Also, this is where the lefts hatred of Bush comes from. Because when he was running for the office of president, he said he was going to do this and going to do that, and when he got elected, he did exactly what he said he was going to do. He did not hide any agenda from us, and do back door deals with the doors closed. He said “Im going to do this”, and he did it. They hate someone who actually does that they say. They cannot relate to it for some reason.

      • momof4

        David,
        I wish they would have!!!!!

      • JeffH

        David and all others. Living in California, I know firsthand about this wicked, arrogant Pelosi witch! I suggest that everyone bombard her with emails DAILY expressing your anger with her and this administration, without any threatening comments. Demand that she resign immediately. I have been doing this for quite a while myself.
        http://www.speaker.gov/

        • Harold Olsen

          Why bother? They’ll just end up in her spam folder and she’ll just ignore them. I would email my so-called representative, Baghdad Jim McDermott, but I can’t. I looked him up on the Congressional web site a few years ago to get his email address, but he either doesn’t have one or he keeps it hidden. Anyway, he doesn’t want to hear from his constituents unless they agree with him. The rest of us can go to hell as far as he is concerned. I don’t have to check the vote to see whether or not he supported Obamacare. Supporting socialist agendas is a given for him.

          • http://myronjpoltroonian.blogspot.com Myron J. Poltroonian

            Mr. Olsen, Try going to the website and looking for a link named “Contact”. I did a couple of days ago for Feinstein, Boxer and Thompson on a local matter (saving our Bryte Postal Annex) and was able to get through that way.

          • JeffH

            HO, go ahead and throw in the towel. I’ll keep it up for you, me and anyone else that has given away their will to fight.

        • David

          JeffH I hope your local tea party is helping y’all figure out how to wipe her and that ugly smile off my TV screen forever! Keep up the good work….glad someone in CA is normal.

      • Harold Olsen

        I would have loved to have been there to shew her my respect for her–with a bag of overripe tomatoes.

    • Joe H.

      elaine allred,
      you must be in Kaptur’s district!!! At least Latourette voted no! That is what 75% of the reps should have voted as that’s the percentage of voters that wanted them to start over from scratch. I will remember and so will every person I know or meet. I will strive to keep this boondoggle fresh in peoples minds come November and in 2012!!!

    • Jeanette

      Elaine, Some states have laws where-by they can recall their Congressmen and Senators.

      • kodster5

        You have to research each state’s laws in regards to recall actions. Unfortunately, most, if not all, have not been successfully implemented. Now is the time to change that! Let’s get to work, folks!

    • Grover Syck

      It would be nice to recall John (Bonehead)Boehner. His childish tantrum after the vote was disgusting. When my grand son was 2 he was better behaved than Bonehead.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        But did he enjoy watching you on Sesame Street, Grover?

  • Miki7

    Let’s not lay down, turn over and play dead — surely there are those who can help us rally and convince those who outrageously ignored our pleas to STOP this insanity. Let’s hope we don’t go from the frying pan into the fire and follow the wisdom of Solomon by God’s grace.

  • Bill Miller

    Our second president was John Adams rather than Alexander Hamilton who never became president. He was the first Secretary of Treasure. Everything else you’ve written seems to make sense.

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Bill,
      My apologies. You are correct, of course. The article has been edited. In my anger my fingers typed faster than my mind could think.
      All the best,
      Bob.

      • J C

        Bob, you should do an expose on Hamilton’s policies and how they’ve expaned into what we see today. “Hamilton’s Curse” is a very informative read.

        Best JC

        • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

          Dear JC,
          As a matter of fact that book is sitting on my desk and I suspect I erred because I had Hamilton on my mind.
          All the best,
          Bob

          • DaveH

            Thank you Bob for giving all of us a chance to discuss Freedom.

          • http://donthaveone Beberoni

            Thank you for this arena for all of us to post our thoughts Bob. Both good and bad posts, America stands for freedom of speech, except for those in power now who want to silence the other side.

      • Joe H.

        Bob,
        after all you have done to try to expose all the underhanded crap that has been going on, NO APPOLOGY NEEDED!!!

  • Kirk

    s c. I posted your exact words as I fear this is the death of America on an AP article before the vote and it was not posted.

  • john

    AS FAR AS I,AM CONCERNED THIS OBAMA HEALTH CARE IS THE BEGINING OF TESTING THE PEOPLE TO SEE HOW FAR OUR DEMORATS CAN GO TO FLUSH OUR COUNTRY RIGHT DOWN THE TOILET. BIG TEST PEOPLE. WAKE UP. GOVERNMENT KNOWS THE BEST WAY TO GET TO US IS TO START WITH HEALTH CARE.

    • JeffH

      This is not a test by Obama, it is what he is and what he has planned for the USA.
      http://community.marketwatch.com/groups/us-politics/topics/shadow-party-running-democratic-party

    • Grover Syck

      You have described the bush administration very well. Shurbie was with out a doubt the WORST president we have ever had. Aside for the totally unjustifiable war in Iraq, he also almost tripled the the deficit

      With luck, Obama will be able to straighten up some of the shrubs mess before he leaves in January of 17. Most of what the rebuplican’ts try to blame Obama for was the unfunded disaster that Bush left behind. If you bother to check, Shrub started the bail out before the election. Just too bad the crooks kept a lid on the situation as long as they did.

  • MollyB

    I LOVE the part about the 10th Amendment…unfortunately, I live in California. I’m seriously considering moving to any state that will claim their 10th Amendment right. The politicians in this state are for the birds…the looney birds.

    • john

      YOUR RIGHT. LOOK WHERE NANCY POLOZI CAME FROM. WE NEED ARNOLD SWARTZ THE TERMINATOR. LOL

      • DaveH

        The real Arnold is just another RINO!

        Give up on the Republicans. They have grown Government consistently, hand-in-hand with the Democrats for a Century now.

        Their is only one Party that understands the kind of Freedom that our Forefathers tried to guarantee for us. Unfortunately, that Freedom became a double-edged sword, as the very prosperity that it wrought allowed people to become wealthy and complacent. Our Founders risked or gave up their lives to get the Freedom that we were too lazy to Vote to Keep. Amazing.

        If you want Individual Responsibility (with Freedom comes Responsibility), Individual Freedom, Free Markets (give the power and choice back to the consumer), and Limited Government (a government that obeys the Main Law of the Land), then there really is only one choice. Quit trying to force your pet beliefs on others (true for both Republicans and Democrats). Vote Libertarian:
        http://libertarianparty.org/platform

      • Harold Olsen

        Schwartznegger is a joke. He’s worse than a RINO. He’s become a Kennedy.

    • JeffH

      I too MollyB. Let us get through the elections here and see if we get any positive results. Don’t throw the towel in just yet.

  • Barbara Barge

    Bob,
    You have John Adams and Alexander Hamilton confused. Both of these men would be sad to see what our Congress is up to. Thanks for your efforts.
    Barbara Barge

  • http://viewfromthemiddle.org Gene

    The Federal Government, for the past generation and more, has assisted an oligarchy to trample on the rights of the individual common American. It repeatedly affirmed the privileges of their friends, the plotters and schemers known as the “Free Market” to rape its citizens of wealth. Like a horse gone wild, the “Free Market” outsourced its workforce to something resembling slave labor. It decimated our pensions and health care programs. Our Federal Government kept reassuring us: “Don’t worry. It’s the free market. We will all be better off if we simply allow it to operate.”
    The Free Market cut wages so much that today’s citizens can’t afford to buy enough of what the Free Market produces to sustain the Free Market.
    The Free Market eventually brought this society to the brink of financial ruin. Finally, the Republicans themselves embraced socialism to rescue our financial institutions. The Republican administration advocated the notion of borrowing money from the future wealth of common Americans to save its friends. Some of their “friends” even threatened us: “Pay up. Help us out of this hole, or lose your jobs,” some of them told us.
    The newly elected administration had to plug their noses and accept the plan for recovery. Thus, socialism came to the rescue of a financial institution that had run for too long on bonuses salted away in Swiss accounts.
    Now, socialism comes to the rescue of people whose future has been mortgaged. But the chief beneficiaries of Republican socialism, those whose financial institutions survived by virtue of its implementation, don’t like it. “How about a trillion for us?” the working poor and (once) middle class are asking.
    “A trillion for you? Oh, my! We just can’t afford that!” is what we hear from the right.

    • MollyB

      You might lay blame at the feet of the unions for the “Free Market” pricing things so high we can’t afford enough of what the “Free Market” produces. And don’t say that wages should be raised up to the level unions force the “Free Market” to pay…..if they didn’t have to pay such ridiculously high union wages and benefits, prices wouldn’t have to be so high for people to stay in business. AND if the Democrats weren’t so spend,tax & regulate happy people would pay better wages.

      The unions should be obsolete. They did their job. Now we have laws in place to protect workers from tyrannical employers. Now the tyranny is all coming from the unions. You know, the people Obama “doesn’t mind being obligated to”?

      • DaveH

        Molly,
        That Unions and their Gangs of Bullies were ever necessary is just another example of the Liberal Propaganda machine. If somebody doesn’t like their working conditions, there are always choices in a truly Free Market. They can work elsewhere, or start their own businesses. Yes, it takes some initiative and hard work to do that. Nobody has to work against their will in a truly Free Market. We may soon lose that thanks to the Liberal Forcers and Thieves.

    • http://naver Brady

      Gene, why do you sound like someone who just says things to hear himself talk? How can you say such nonsense and feel good about it afterward? The “Insane” one in now has done more to have this country fall under the ways of socialism than the republicans have done. They cut our income taxes, inheritance taxes, other taxes, reduced regulations on businesses, which all of these helped to contribute to the economic recovery in 2002. You want to know why wages are low these days? 1. Illegal aliens. If you go to many factories in Indiana, you’ll see many illegals there. 2. Hispanic immigrants. Though they may be here legally, which is fine, but they get paid roughly minimum wage for doing the same jobs we do. They also are not entitled to benefits, so this also saves the businesses some money.
      3. Our tax code that is 7 times larger than the Bible and understood by no one. These businesses that move our jobs overseas do so, not just because of the cheaper labor, but they also get tax write offs and deductions for moving overseas. If we did away with these 3 things, it would improve the job market for all Americans. By the way you attack the republicans, you must be a Barak “Insane” Hussein Obama supporter. If you want to know what is going on, find your local TEA PARTY and talk with them. I’m sure that they can help straighten you out. I should know, I’m one of them. “For God and country, victory or death!”

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        BRADY, WE ALL HAVE OUR SHARE OF ILLEGALS AS WELL, MY HUSBAND SAID WHEN LAW ENFORCEMENT SHOWED UP AT THE COMPANY HE USED TO WORK FOR, HALF OF THE PLANT RAN OUT THE BACK DOOR__AND WE WONDER WHY THERE ARE NO JOBS__

    • DaveH

      Gene,
      Are you hallucinating? We haven’t had a Free Marketplace since I was born (60 years ago). A Free Market is one without Government Meddling and the Government is into all aspects of the Marketplace these days and has been for a very long time.
      Are you just another Liberal Misinformer? Or, are you just honestly ignorant about Economics? Or, are you using Free Market in a sarcastic way while really meaning Crony-Capitalism which is indeed evil. If so, please make it clear.

      • http://donthaveone Beberoni

        Not only that Dave, but the government punishes those business’s that succeed by taxing them more, and rewards those that fail, ie GM, Chrysler, by giving them billions of dollars. What is wrong with this picture? The liberals dont understand this is wrong for some reason. They demonize successful business, and those with money, well except guys like Soro’s that fund them, when there isnt a one of us that has ever been given a job by a poor man now, is there? The truth is far from them. I agree totally with what you say about government getting out of the way and let the free market work. But they continue to punish success and reward failure. Unbelievable.

  • Barb

    All of you are so right! But we cannot give up! We must fight in any way we can and keep our presence out there known. Fortunately I live in a state where I believe my Governor and Senators and all will do as Idaho and Virginia is planning. I plan to call them and urge them to do it anyway. We cannot give up, I too am very sad, my husband and I cried most of the night but we woke up this morning more determined to fight this monster Obama and his minions. We will persevere, we will win in the end. There are good men in Washington, John Boehner for one fought a valiant fight so did Mc Connell sp? and my reps worked tirelessly. Hang in there my friends this is just beginning and good will win, we will save our country.

    • Barb

      Correction- everyone but Gene is right that is!

      • momof4

        Barb,
        And Normie.

        • JeffH

          and michael!

    • Pat R

      Barb:
      I hope every State will join in the fight to have this overthrown.
      It definitely looks like the Federal Courts are going to be very busy for a while. There are several Org.s planning lawsuits.
      What I pray to see is Obama’s Impeachment! (Along with Pelosi and Reid)
      Their acts of Treason against the Citizens of the United States are too many to count. If there only was a Law somewhere that gave us the Right to walk in, arrest them, and remove them on the spot……………..

  • MollyB

    Well, as disgusted as I am right now, I will still keep doing everything I can to get the Democrats voted out in November. That’s this country’s only real hope right now. Without all the Dem backing he has now, Obama won’t be able to do as much damage as he did today, in the next three years. Then we won’t have to worry about him anymore. He’ll never secure another term.

  • Austin

    Amricans Freedom is slowly getting stripped away it’s a sad day when 300 people get to tell 300 million what to do, and how to live. Every American who believes in personal freedom should be mad as hell with our goverment and the American people need to take back there country and stop letting big business groups and the special interest groups run the country , could it be time for another American Revolution or do we live under goverment oppresion

    • American

      A revolution is exactly what we need. Everyone must remember though, that obama has been beefing up his own domestic force just in case we rebel. He has his own soldiers right here to fight back. Mr. Livingston, why don’t you do a piece on this subject? The American people deserve to know what’s going on behind their backs.

      • JeffH

        A revolution by the people must be a peaceful revolution. The masses must recover and intelligently organize the foundations for the removal of the “traitors in office” through a landslide vote that would leave no doubt as to the intentions of us, the American people.

    • Joe H.

      Austin,
      Let’s put the blame exactly where it belongs….We The People are the ones that put them in office either by the vote or voter apathy. When we were needed the most voter turn out was pathetic. We needed to turn out in record numbers and kicked this usurper to the throne out of the race!!! We must now remember in November 2010 and November 2012!!! Kick out all who voted yes!! It’s a matter of public record, look iy up and when they ask for your vote, vote NO!!!

      • Sheila

        What about ACORN??? I don’t believe AMERICA elected Obama. I believe he stole the vote and he is still stealing the votes. This is not about America as we know it. This man is not AMERICAN. He is operating out of an agenda to destroy America… is that not clear? I just read more of the details of this bill. By the time the IRS calls me, I will not have anymore employees. THREE people will lose their jobs in my small company because I do not have extra money to pay for their medical insurance. They can give thanks to all those people who passed this illegal bill yesterday! And what about medicine in Canada??? I know someone who needed an MRI, and her appointment was scheduled 15 months out. She was bone on bone and her family PAID FOR HER MRI SERVICES OUT OF POCKET. THEN she got surgery. Otherwise, she would have waited 15 months just to get her MRI. What was passed yesterday MUST BE OVERTURNED. This is freaking insanity… and we DON’T NEED MORE ILLEGALS made citizens. IT IS A WAY TO DESTROY AMERICA. Why do Democrats want to destroy AMERICA??? Oh yes, a favorite scripture… “Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.” Yeah, socialized medicine. Yeah, Obamacare. This man is a menace. The Democratic party is a menace. We saw it full face yesterday. They are SUBVERTING THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. They are suck idiots. They have already ruined Social Security, Medicare, and now??? My father fought in WWII, I am sure he is spinning in his grave. THIS IS AN ATROCITY. OBAMA IS AN ATROCITY.

    • Grover Syck

      Fortunately, 41 did not get to tell 300 million what they cannot do.

      We have taken one giant step into the future, and a much better looking future it is.

      • Fed Up Gal in NM

        Grover Syck,

        And….if you think an eventual brighter future will be because of the actions of those in Washington….maybe you should take those rose colored glasses off.

        I do believe a brighter future will be on the horizon….just may not be as soon as you believe….and it will not be because of the actions of those in Washington….but it will be because of God’s intervention.

        Fed Up Gal

  • 14Freedomfighter88

    The socialist/communist worms now more visible than anytime before. Since 1917 – when NYC bankers supplied the goldbricks to finish off the legal Czarist Regime in Russia and their cohort V.I.Lenin started the massmurder of 80 MILLION Russians and other White Europeans – the US government had and still has an active role in ALL communist takeovers. Now the time has come to show off the disguise and enslave the American people.
    If you have the slightest doubt what is coming to Americans – and I am not here to make you belive me – do your own research online and see it by yourself.
    For starters; here are 3 keywords you should put into your search engine: DEATH CAMPS USA. The rest of the story will shock you…

    J.Vidovic
    Campbell CA 95008

    • JeffH

      “Democrats have a Nazi collaborator, literally—international financier George Soros—funding their phony grassroots organizations.”

      • Grover Syck

        JeffH said “Democrats have a Nazi collaborator, literally—international financier George Soros—funding their phony grassroots organizations.”

        You have the wrong party. Grandpa Bush was in bed with the Nazis from almost the day Hitler became chanceler the first time. The republican’ts have always been the ‘war mongers’.

        • JeffH

          Grover must be Syck, George Soros, through his Open Society Institute, funnels approximately $300 million a year into various liberal venues, including the influential MoveOn.org, which he owns. According to veteran researcher Anton Chaitkin, Soros also hand-picked Barack Obama to challenge Hillary Clinton (and ultimately defeat GOP nominee John McCain). On Sept. 5, 2008, he wrote, “Barack Obama came under special Soros sponsorship in the 2004 U.S. Senate race [and] raised $60,000 for his campaign.” After attaining victory, Obama met personally with Soros, then attended a fundraiser at his home.
          Is Barack Obama the product of a vast socialist conspiracy designed to undermine the fundamental tenets established by our Founding Fathers, all bankrolled and organized by elite financiers? The answer is unequivocally yes.
          http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/behind_barack_obama_188.html

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            JEFFH. THATS AGOOD ARTICLE__SOUNDS SIMILAR TO THE KENNEDY’S, ONLY IT WAS FAMILY MONEY THERE.

  • JEFF

    I WILL FOREVER FLY MY FLAG AT HALF STAFF. IT IS INDEED A SAD DAY. THAT ARROGANT SOB IS SUCH A FLUCKEN LIAR. WHO THE HELL DOES HE THINK HE IS WHEN HE TELLS THE PEOPLE THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO BUY HEALTH INS. OR THEY WILL BE FINED. I AM READY TO FIGHT TO THE END, OUR FOREFATHERS DID NOT FIGHT AND LOSE THEIR LIVES TO LET SOMEONE LIKE HIM TAKE AWAY OUR RIGHTS. I DONT TRUST HIM OR ANY POLITICAN AT THIS POINT.

    • Grover Syck

      A very good description of Boehner. Like the Transylvania tea baggers, he would not know the truth if he were beat to death with it.

      • momof4

        Grover,
        Put a sock in it!!!

      • Fed Up Gal in NM

        Grover,

        Wow…..such violence….from the PLLL (Peace Loving Liberal Left).

        Fed Up Gal

        • momof4

          Fed up,
          Good one!!!!!

        • Jana

          Fed Up Gal,
          The sad thing is they actually believe they are Peace Loving. They don’t really have any peace, nor love, and they have perverted the meaning of being a true liberal.

  • Jimbo

    i am angry that the dems could do this woth so much opposition. i loath and hate them for it. we can still fight this in the states however thanks to the 10th amendment. the states can declare it null and void due to its unconstitutionality and infringement on the peoples rights.

    • Norm

      Jimbo
      The games over. Your team lost. Live with it.

      • michael

        THe conservatives just whine and whine. deal with the fact you all lost that makes you losers and I will do everything in my power to keep the conservatives out of office.

        • momof4

          Mikey,
          I also have a spot marked of for you. Kiss away baby.

      • momof4

        Norm,
        I have a spot marked off for you to kiss.

      • DaveH

        Norm is in Seventh Heaven since he perceives that his Gang has won. But it isn’t over yet, Norm. The majority still believes in goodness and morality. You and your pack of thieves will soon be run out of the leadership.
        My only hope is that people realize that Republicans have also been complicit in our out of control Government growth.
        There are forcers and thieves in both parties.

        It may turn out to be that Obama was the best thing ever for our Country if he has caused the citizens to wake up and learn about Real Freedom.

        Not you though, Norm, you are too far gone.

        • JeffH

          DaveH, I agree as it has been said many times before. It is now time to play the “game” at a more intense level and it will take every “good” patriot to execute our recovery efforts.
          Everyone must get active and give of yourself whatever you can(I don’t mean money, I mean time, any amount of time) to “take back our government and take back our country”.

        • Joe H.

          DaveH,
          the real stupid thing is that Abnorm really thinks this is a game!! I mean others will use Game as a term but normie really believes it. he’s where ever he is dancing a jig yelling my team won I’m a winner when the only thing he won is higher premiums for what ever coverage hes got!!! I hope he doesn’t try to uase that retirement crap on me as that doesn’t matter. If it gets too expensive for his former employer to cover him, they will either pass the cost on to him or DROP HIS COVERAGE!!!

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            Liberals just don’t get it!__what conservatives are trying to say here is, nothings free and your not entitled to anything in life. The founders fought for freedom of choices, to live our lives the best as we can, our lives are our own repsonsibility to live as we see fit, not Governments__when you start placing faith in Government as you would in God, then you have serious problem__God won’t let you down but Government will___The longer you clean up the mess in peoples lives the more dependent on you they become__Conservatives don’t believe anything about letting people die in the street, thats ridiculus__ but yet again, I say nothing is fair in life, believe me i know__ you play out the hand of cards your dealt__Our Government is/has created more and more dependents with entitlemnet programs, Obamacare is just another one__Those of us who strive to stay off welfare in hard times and stay in it and fight the fight, could be revered as an incentive to take responsibility for ones own life, but when we say no one owes you a living, and we don’t want Government taking over our lives and regulating us to death_ the Liberals act as if were baby killers__ Listen to what we have to say for once__not just what you want to hear!

        • Norm

          DaveH
          Dave I’m rapidly losing any respect I had for you even though I rarely agreed with you.
          When I was a kid I used to shoot mice with a .22 in my grandfather’s chicken coop, at night with a flashlight strapped to my rifle barrel. When the light hit them, I think they knew they were done for, but they became totally irrational in some vain attempt pretend that somehow they had the upper hand. I really felt sorry for them.
          You, like those mice, have become irrational. Your comments were clever and meaningful, but now they’re nasty, insulting, and personel.
          It’s a shame.

          • Joe H.

            gee abnormal,
            That’s a compliment to DaveH coming from you, cuz I don’t think anybody except a few liberal dogs had any respect for you after your first post here!!!

          • David

            Norm those years working for the UAW really did fry your brain huh? So when us tax payers are gone and the dollar crashes; do you really think that fat undeserved pension check will still be there? Your 30 million amigos will soon be American citizens and sucking the life out of this country. I doubt the elite dems will give a dern about you then.

        • Jana

          The sad thing is our country has lost.

          If Obama would have spent half of his energy helping this country get back on her feet by working on the economy, not on things that tear us apart. We still don’t have an acceptable job level in this country.

          Next he plans on working on Cap and Trade. He has guaranteed that our utilities will go up, fuel for our autos will go up, taxes will go up, and jobs will be lost, but that’s all right, we have been having it too easy now for too long so now its up to us to sit back and accept whatever he dishes out.

          Yep, our country has lost big time, and as long as Obama and the DemonRATS remain in office, we will stay losers.

          • Jana

            AAGH I should have proofread better.

            I meant to say in that first paragraph

            The sad thing is our country has lost.

            If Obama would have spent half of his energy helping this country get back on her feet by working on the economy, not on things that tear us apart WE WOULD BE MUCH BETTER OFF NOW.. We still don’t have an acceptable job level in this country.

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          AT’S A GOOD POINT DAVE, WHO WAS IT THAT SAID “YOU CAN’T LET A GOOD CRISIS GO TO WASTE!”__OBAMA’S PRESIDENTIAL WIN DID WAKE A LOT OF PEOPLE UP__WE CAN TURN IT AROUND, IF IN FACT ENOUGH PEOPLE WAKE UP!

      • Palin12

        That’s where you’re wrong, buddy. The game is not over, it’s just beginning! Real Americans will not just lie down and take it like you hope. Obamacare will be fought vigorously, starting with the Supreme Court, and then the various individual states opting out. And we don’t have short memories as pelosi suggests. November to Remember!!!

    • Grover Syck

      The dems had very good teachers, the under handed republican’ts.

  • anna Mydlarz

    I would like to remind everyone to keep these feelings of disgust for our current democrats in office and tell as many people as you can to vote Republican in this upcoming election. Any third party will only give the Democrats that voted for this horrible bill a chance to continue. We have to stick together to make this happen.

    • Jerry Mobley

      anna Mydlarz,
      My problem with your plan is the republicans have also supported bigger goverment and less individual freedoms for Americans. Look at the present leaders, palin is a quitter, gingrich is a crook. I won’t support that platform. I support Ron Paul not these two I mentioned that are only clones of obama. I will vote independent in any case where I am presented a communist democrat, or a communist replublican as options.

      • American

        Jerry, you’re an idiot. How long will it take for you to wake up and see the truth?

        • DaveH

          Sorry, American, but it is you who are the idiot. Jerry is correct.

          • David

            Dave, what if we let the libertarians (tea party) help determine who those republicans are? It won’t take long to clean house and reset the conservative values. I took a survey and fell right into the libertarian base near the conservative line but I do not see how adding an additional party will help when it is republican voters that will be split.

  • Rick

    We as a nation have just lost a part of our freedom. By the way, Bart Stupak was fooled by the President. An executive order can not over ride a law.

    • CJ

      Stupac knew this. If he didn’t, he doesn’t belong in congress. There had to be something else going on behind the scenes.

      • anna

        Yes I agree, let’s see what kind of position he gets after the November election.

        • Joe H.

          The position should be one Barney Fwanks likes!!!!

        • momof4

          Anna,
          We will be watching.

      • Lonnie Rollins

        I’ll tell you CJ, there are a lot of American People who just don’t know who is really behind the schene’s and if they did it would scare the hell out of them. Obama, Pelosi, Reid etc are only pawns, there is a lot bigger picture behind this and this is why these folks from Obama on down was willing to sell their souls. Click on these links and take the time to read them, then you’ll get a much bigger picture:

        http://www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/whofed.html
        http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936#

      • JeffH

        Stupac just confirmed what most already knew or suspected. Not a surprise at all.

  • CJ

    It is sad that we must allow government to do such severe damage to us before we wake up and realize them for the liers and power-mongers they are. It is far easier to prevent the damange than it is to clean up afterward, but we never learn. We must now roll up our sleeves and get to work cleaning, for it will be a long and costly task. I only hope we have not traveled past the point of no recovery.

    God help those who have blindly accepted the deception as a true act of kindness. They will be here posting soon, ignorantly spewing their ill-informed opinion as fact, without basis beyond liberal wastefullness, and gloat at America’s journey toward self destruction. They will be so petty, bring up minor benefits while ignoring the devistation around them, and claim success.

    People “vote” every day with their pocketbook, and all that is needed is watch the downward sprial of the economy to know the real truth. Perfect markets are always right, and governemnts can only screw it up.

  • gaetano

    I was sickened to put my eyes on Pelosi, as she spoke with that grin on her face that makes me want to puke.BUT.anyway,,maybe ,just maybe when all the lawsuits are filed, and they get to the scotus,one of the lawsuits should contain Obamas eligibility, somehow, and prove that he is a usurper. That will surely end this bill and every thing else this idiot has done to america.

    • MollyB

      Maybe if the proof ever comes to light about his eligibility we can get two birds with one stone. Pelosi signed the affidavit to the DNC to declare Obama the Democratic candidate. She “swore” that she had verified his eligibility to serve as POTUS with her signature. Only one of the state’s affidavits have that part in it…Hawaii…but one is enough. Perjury is perjury and it should earn the Botox queen an orange jump suit. Wouldn’t she and Obama look cute then? Twinsies!
      And it doesn’t matter if he was a natural-born citizen, or not…his Indonesion step-father supposedly adopted him and when he was registered in that school in Indonesia, he was registered as an “Indonesian CITIZEN” . AND…there is no record of his re-applying for U.S. citizenship when he came back to the states. Also, he wasn’t especially well off financially, yet managed to attend very prestigious schools without scholarships…Foreign student loans, perhaps?? Maybe that’s why he’s so anxious to forgive student loans.. :) That’s the trouble with this guy…nobody REALLY knows, except maybe Pelosi and the few in the “inner circle”… the one’s who call us “racist”, “baggers”, “birthers”…I”M OFFENDED!!! Should I call Jesse??
      Now, for you Democrats who will want to call me a sore loser and a multitude of other nasties…ANSWER this: If Obama has NOTHING to hide, why does he refuse to release ANY of his personal records? Pretty easy question…

      • Jerry Mobley

        MollyB,
        I agree with your statements. Let me take it one step further. To intentionly falsisfy the election of a president is TREASON against the United States of America. When proven and convicted by a military tribunal it is the firing squad for obama, reid, and pelosi.
        Also anyone who is on record as voting for obamacare or any more anti-American bills they bring forth in the future.

        • TIME

          Jerry, Its called “High Treason” when we are at war, thus the signed doc’s are all the proof needed to prove guilt of said High Treason.

      • Grover Syck

        Put this crap back in the jon where it belongs. Hawaii has provided the requested documents so many times, they are going to start charging for future copies of birth certificates.

        The subject is settled. You are beating a dead horse. Obama is totally eligible to be president, and he is a very good president at that.

        • momof4

          Grover,
          The Marxist SUCKS and you know it!!!

        • Jana

          Obama may be considered to have been born in the U.S., I am not sure, but eligible? No way. He is the most incompetent person that could have ever been elected for the job next to Jimmy Carter. This man is a pathetic loser. He went to the DemonRats party and cried and whined that his Presidency was at stake if this bill wasn’t passed. I am embarrassed for him, and embarrassed because of him.

    • momof4

      Yup, she’s one power hungry @#$%*

    • Joe H.

      gaetano,
      I’m afraid if we ever do get the proof that he isn’t eligible the people that support him will riot and say we manufactured it!! A few are already listening to the rable rowsers that say we are setting him up for a death attempt. I don’t know anybody that would even think that way as I sure as hell wouldn’t want foot in the mouth joe or p-lousy in the seat!!!

  • Rich

    Passing of the Health care bill is a “SLAP” in our faces! Just remember that elections are coming in November, so lets not forget and vote those who voted for this bill get them out of office.

    This health care bill is a stepping stone for future government takeovers…watch your backs.

    Don’t get MAD GET EVEN!!

    • anna

      A friend of mine thinks Nancy Pelosi will win her election this November because of all the liberals in California, would love to hear what anyone thinks of this. I think a good step would be to end career politicians and set term limits

      • Joe H.

        anna,
        I almost hope they do re-elect her. But I want a conservative majority so she loses her job of speaker of the house. That would be almost better than her tumbling off a high cliff!!! Can you imagine her not being able to do ANYTHING and just being a common suck-up politico??? I’d walk by her and laugh like hell!!!

        • JeffH

          Joe H., I disagree. Let her start financing her alcoholism with her own money.

          • Jon

            LOL….She is the consummate botox, plastic surgery & full blown alholic…LOL

          • Palin12

            I can’t stand to even look at pelosi’s face.

        • Grover Syck

          If we had a good strong arm democrat to replace miss wimpy, I would support that person. By not pushing the public option, she let the people down. It will now be another hard fight to take the next step.

          • momof4

            Grover,
            Are you a freeloader? Tell me would you sell your soul for healthcare?

    • TIME

      Rich, Saddly I have known that this bill would pass from day one.
      But as many of you know, its not 100% over until the really fat lady sings.

      Be that as it may any of you that really want to stop this power grabbing thats going on.

      If you live in a state who’s Congress and or Senate person voted on this bill or any bill passed that “infringes your freedoms.”

      YOU need to find a Candidate that is not only willing to go to the belt way and Over turn all these laws, and will really follow through with this action.
      But also one who will have the back bone to bring charges of Treason on all that signed these bills.

      Treason is; {when you swear to UPHOLD and Protect the Constitution and Bill of Rights,} and you knowingly disregard this OATH.
      HCR bill distroys the Bill of rights #3, #5, #7, #9, #10 and there are others these are straight forward and should prove to be more than needed.

      Thus all rights will be revoked from said persons as well they will face a trial and what ever comes after. The doc’s signed show proof of guilt, so there are no reasons for a long trial nor a costly one.

  • Robin Harris

    I can’t stop crying….what a terrible, terrible loss. The greatest country on earth. God help us to fight the evil and the ignorant who have created this hell. May those be forgiven who ignored all the signs and let it happen. Vote while we still can. The greedy, immoral, thieving sheep in Washington no longer even pretend to represent those who put them in power. Character does matter!! For years we have lowered our standards to accommodate losers and now they are calling the shots for all of us. The wolves are in the henhouse. FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

    • CJ

      I couldn’t help hear some of the media claim the US is the last super-power to have public healthcare, as if that wasn’t the biggest indicator we don’t want it. Every other super-power is not as well off as we are, and now we start down their path of destruction. Thank God for the 14th Ammendment. I sent my state rep an email of disappointment the moment he voted for this OBAMAnation of a bill.

    • armedtexan

      Robin, I’ve been crying too. We all need to get our affairs in order so that we are not encumbered and are ready to FIGHT-FIGHT-FIGHT!!!

      • michael

        Buch of freakin crybabies now you know how I felt when that evil George W. Bush won reelection.

        • Jim H.

          michael, Yes, Bush was the 2nd worst choice we had in that election, but this bill is THE worst choice. Smile now, because on the day you wise up you will be very disappointed.

  • MollyB

    I hope everyone is paying attention to what has been going on quietly while we’ve been trying to deal with this haelth care takeover. Like the National Voter Registration and Amnesty they’re trying to pass.
    Also, the fact that ACORN (under that very name) is now officially receiving federal funding again. In November, we’d better make VERY sure that we have citizen watchdog committees (I’ll volunteer) at every polling place to check for violations. With ACORN’s dirty little Obama trained fingers in the works, things could get pretty sticky.

    • Lonnie Rollins

      Very good point MollyB, Obama would rather keep ACORN in the background and keep it hush, hush, did you see how at one time ACORN was in the news and now you don’t hear much about them, this is because Obama is behind it and they are his one of many tools to get his bidding done!!!The American People better keep a close eye on this ACORN bunch!!!!

      • Joe H.

        There was ome fairly good news today and that was the report that ACORN is going BANRUPT!!!! I almost did a back-flip before I remembered my back!!!

  • Mark

    We must be as vigilant now more than ever. Rather than let these people bask in their glory, we must let them know what a big mistake they have made. Make them realize that they have not achieved a victory but destroyed the trust of the American People. Keep the calls to your representatives and congressmen and let them know they will be terminated in November and in 2014.

  • home boy

    this is just one more thing that proves your vote does not count . if you think the twilight zone was crazy wait till you see what happens in the next 5yrs.. socialism will look like a walk in the park when your dictator rules all. religion will be the next thing to be shut down.

    • Raggs

      Yeah you bet…. The next thing will be they will build a temple for him in which he will proclaim himself to be God.

  • Mike Johnson

    We are truly at the proverbial crossroads.

    If nothing is done to turn our government and society back to principles brought forth by our Founding Fathers, and that includes our belief that our Rights as humans come from God and NOT from government (as the socialists would have us believe), then we have lived to see the end of the Great Experiment in self-government and will descend, as predicted by the Tytler Cycle, into bondage.

    On the other hand, we have ONE chance to peacefully slow down the and possibly reverse this dreary picture, and that comes during the period beginning today and running through the mid-term elections this coming November. If we can elect a veto-proof majority of REAL conservatives this fall, then it still may be possible to repeal some of this bad legislation. My home state of Virginia has, along with Idaho, passed a law challenging the federal mandate to purchase insurance. Hopefully many if not most states will follow. Secession is an option. The Constitution does not forbid it… only force of arms has prevented the ultimately unsuccessful secessions attempted in 1861.

    If not, then we are faced with the choice to acquiesce and relinquish our liberty to the throne of tyranny, or rise up and defend the Constitution of the United States and the principles for which it stands. Patrick Henry said “Give me liberty or give me death!”. I fear that the day may soon come when we, the citizens of the United States of America that care about liberty, will be shouting that slogan again.

    We ARE at the crossroads!

  • http://gmail Mary Dietz

    The real problem here is ignorance. We lack education. Many of the American people don’t understand what is happening. Our schools don’t help they don’t teach real American History. We must embark on a program to educate, to teach the constitution, to teach the people their rights and teach them what the purpose of the government is. The government is there to protect us, to represent us and they are not doing that. We are being betrayed, honesty and men and women of character and courage are a thing of the past. So I recommend reading your constitution and memorizing your rights and then make sure that your children understand it too. It’s our job to teach our kids not the governments.I recommend praying, we have turned our backs on our Christian heritage. The next thing we must do is vote them out of office. More than anything make education a priority. thank you, Mary from Maryland. We have truth on our side.That truth is that our FREEDOM comes from God not the government.

    • George S. Saliga

      Right on Mary you hit the nail on the head! Parents stoped being teachers in their homes and became discruntled parents. Education must start at home this was something we did with our children early on. My wife spent hours reading to our children and we moved to a town that had one of the best schools in the state not to mention the country. But what happened when they went to college they were brain washed in our commie schools and every time they came home I had to de-program them. Graduate school was even worst, the good news is my oldest is starting to see light, we must be vigilant to save our Republic, it is our duty! And most important we must pray, satan wants to kill steal and destroy, he is a master lier and no truth lies within him. I thank God I have a Savior for my anger runs deep for this marxist regime! We are angry but we must channel that for good and vote these traitors out!

      • armedtexan

        George, I ‘lost’ my child to a liberal college too. I am encouraged yours is coming around. Perhaps mine will; before it’s too late.

    • momof4

      Mary, Well said I agree with you 100%.

    • iain

      You’re right we do not educate our children any more. “We do not teach real American history….” You all know (actually you do not know) America is not a country. The name of this once great country is the United States of (the continent) America. Yes folks America is a continent not a country. We can not condemn Sarah Palin for thinking Africa was a country and not a continent when we mistakenly call our country by the name of the continent in which it is situated.
      Canadians are Americans as are Mexicans. What so you call folks from Central American countries if not Americans. Then there’s the fact that folks from say Brazil are likewise Americans. The problem is it is ackward calling ourselves USers, or US citizens or United Statesers
      so we end up calling ourselves Americans because we have not traveled very far from our house. There is a vast world beyond our borders populated by folks who have found ways of solving the universal problems facing humanity but we keep the blinders on and think we are the greatest nation on the planet. Poor fools we are when studies have found the USofA is far down the list on countries in education, or any of a dozen parameters. Sadly we do not educate ourselves anymore so we as a nation have slipped down into the middle brackets compared to other countries. Fear rules our lives !!!

  • anna

    I am appalled at what occurred Sunday. Soon will come cap and trade. Illegal immigrants will be made american citizens most likely this summer..meaning when the nov. elections occurr 30+ million illegal aliens will be able to vote.And they will vote for whoever will give them a free pass. I read and hear much talk about all of this and my fear is that is all it is..just talk..no action.

    I can not help but wonder if ‘something’ is in the ‘works’ in near future to secure obama’s position in white house for the next 20 years. He already is a dictator not a leader. Is it too late people??

    • Joe H.

      anna,
      I’ve been warning of amnesty all along! this pretender keeps us busy on one thing while he slips something just as bad or worse by us!! Keep close watch and listen!!! Amnesty IS COMING!!!! We need to fight it like we never fought before!! this plague of illegal locusts are trying to take over our country one person at a time, one job at a time, one county at a time!!!!!

      • TIME

        Joe, Dude, you hit that nail so hard its crazy.

        Then right after that its going be chip time, so if you want to work you gotta have a chip, if you want to get your money from your IRA, your Bank account, or even get in your safe deposit box; NO CHIP – No dip.
        Then Cuff and Slave, or as you all know it now cap and trade.

        • Joe H.

          Time,
          I will never let them mark me, NEVER!! I am a free manm and I expect to stay that way till I die, if you get my drift!!!

          • michael

            Good then die and decrease the surplus population. There I quoted a conservative leader Ebenezer Scrooge.

          • TIME

            Mike,
            By all your post you come off as a “100% total HATE MONGER.”

            You need mental help your really sick.

      • Todd S

        Good observation. So, maybe that is why it was uncontested to Obama to state that illegals won’t be covered; they won’t be “illegals” for long. Ouch. Illegal story, severly truncated: Friend of mine hit in parking lot by an illegal in a truck. Had to be corralled by good citizen until police arrived as the guy sped off from the scene of the crime. Illegal gave police an obviously false ID (cop said it was false ID to my friend). Cop stated he wasn’t allowed to arrest the guy for: hit and run, no insurance, presenting false ID, or for being in country illegally. So, these criminal have all the protections of a foreign diplomat while here illegally. freaking scary, almost like these illegals are nothing more than a rumor to law enforcement.

        • TIME

          Todd, If I were to tell 1% of what I know first hand from Judges and Lawyers that have to deal with this daily, most of you would be with out words for years.

          The Chipping thats being pushed is the end run game, even with the HCR bill being as bad as it is, the Chip is going really hurt the persons born in the United States.

          The Unions want the Chips, that way they get a piece of your hide and you have not word one you can say about it.

      • Fed Up Gal in NM

        Joe H,

        True and Accurate!

        Fed Up Gal

  • MollyB

    If we back off now and quietly go away we will deserve what we get.
    With all the noise we’ve made, even though they blew us off this time, the loudest noise we can make and one they can’t blow off will be at the polls in November. And 2012 won’t seem so far away once Obama loses most of his own personal gang.
    VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE

    And keep a close eye on ACORN!

    • Joe H.

      MollyB,
      you are very correct. Watch ACORN closely and don’t be afraid to report any suspected criminal activity!!! I don’t care what it is, if it’s illegal report it. Let them know that the people aren’t going to take their illegal dealings anymore!!!

      • Joe H.

        MollyB
        As an addendum try to make it cost them MONEY!! It was in the news that they are almost bankrupt. Fines are such a good way to control them in that case!!!! I would take such pleasure in knowing the very people they are trying to screw over did them in!!!

  • Stephanie Casdorph

    This bill was an abomination, as was Pelosi’s arrogance in forcing it. But we can rant and rave all we want – the most important thing for right now is to research candidates for November, and decide who can support, and do just that. Then, we have to GET OUT THE VOTE in November – talk to your neighbors, co-workers, people in the grocery store!! Make sure they are registered to vote. And volunteer on election day to drive people to the polls who might not otherwise be able to get there. If your area is a “mailed ballot” district, talk to your neighbors and make sure they got their ballots, and that they voted. Let’s not run out of steam before November!

    • MollyB

      Exactly, Stephanie,
      WE can “get the vote out”, too. ACORN is good at doing things illegally….we just have to be better at CATCHING them doing things illegally.
      I will volunteer to help with the polls in any way I can. Especially keeping a close eye on ACORN.

  • Dean

    OK, time for me, and every American to speak out, LOUDLY! it makes no diference whether this bill is good or bad, which I believe it’s the worst conglomeration of Bull Crap ever dreamed up. the point is that it was passed with somewhere around 75% of the American population screaming ‘NO’. our elected representatives are supposed to work for us! especially the one holding the top government office, it’s government by the people, for the people.. not government for the multinational corp’s with the deepest pockets! the solution is to fire each and every one of our so called representatives that voted yes for this bill.. along with a few of our socialist dictators comrads that he put in place for his socialist agenda to proceed. if we don’t, we will have allowed it to happen to ourselves. and also, our gov’t is expanding itself! at a time that we should be downsizing! we can’t afford more employees people, we just can’t! we can’t even afford to pay the ones we already have!

  • http://Verizon.net Bud Grounds

    If you all remember, I told you Mr. Stupak said in a town hall meeting that Congress didn’t pay attention to polls; that he didn’t know how he would vote in the end. This proves you can not trust them to do what they say they will. The man is not stupid and knew exactly what he did; sold out! They have flat out lied to you about the costs because they did not include the costs of infrastructure or management of this bill which will put it well over a trillion dollars.

    Mark your calender each month with the words “vote everyone out who voted for Health Care”. Start writing your representative now about other issues like Amnesty and “Cap and Trade” because if you don’t, you might as well accept the fact the Socialists have taken over your country. These 2 issues will burden our country to the point of no return and we can not let it happen. Do not let Amnesty and Cap and Trade pass. If we can do this, we can reverse the damage of the Health Care passage in November. At that point, the President loses his power to to Socialize this country and this abomination of a Health Care Bill can be repealed and override any veto.

    • MollyB

      The date to vote them all out is seared into my brain. I can’t wait!
      For the past year and a half we have been working for ourselves…not always for free…many, many of us have contributed money, which for many of us is in very short supply right now.
      THEY…the ones the PEOPLE elected…are SUPPOSED to work for US, The PEOPLE. We have that in writing. I don’t care if Obumma likes it, or not, that’s the way it is. I’m sure that’s the only reason he studied Constitutional Law…so he could figure out how to twist it.
      He’s a self-admitted radical…what did people expect. I didn’t vote for him, because I knew what to expect, as so many of us did. I DO believe that ACORN made the difference…I don’t mean in “all their hard work” “getting the vote out”..I mean all that other “hard work” getting the votes “counted”.

      • American

        Including all those counted votes that weren’t really votes. You know, like registering people who had long before passed away, letting some people vote numerous times, etc. I bet if you took out all of the votes ACORN got through, the ones that weren’t legitimate, the election may have come out differently. After all, it wasn’t the “landslide” that the dems want us to believe. If it were, then why would there have been a need for all those false votes? We need to take care of the voting problems BEFORE we have any more elections. Otherwise, we’ll have people sworn in who weren’t necessarily voted in. We also need to make sure there aren’t any black panther members standing in the doorways with baseball bats at the poles intimidating people this time. In other words, we need to do this the right way, not the democrat way. Then we’d get who we wanted in office.

    • Barb

      We have to unite as one group now not as Conservatives, Libertarians, Moderates buts as Americans wanting our freedoms and country back the way it was and should be. Pulling together as one big group against them we stand a chance. We cannot let them pass Immigration Reform that will be the next step. It is estimated that there are 11 million undocumented immigrants (ILLEGALS) in this country and how much do you want to bet the majority of that number is old enough to vote? Guess who they will vote for?????!!!!! Not to mention the cost of that many more people, most of which would be on the welfare rolls! We have to put our petty differences aside and look at the big picture and together we can accomplish a lot.

    • Barb

      We have to unite as one group now not as Conservatives, Libertarians, Moderates buts as Americans wanting our freedoms and country back the way it was and should be. Pulling together as one big group against them we stand a chance. We cannot let them pass Immigration Reform that will be the next step. It is estimated that there are 11 million undocumented immigrants (ILLEGALS) in this country and how much do you want to bet the majority of that number is old enough to vote? Guess who they will vote for?????!!!!! Not to mention the cost of that many more people, most of which would be on the welfare rolls! We have to put our petty differences aside and look at the big picture and together we can accomplish a lot.

      • Barb

        Sorry I must have hit submit twice!!

      • DaveH

        The only reason the Hispanics vote mostly for Democrats is that they just don’t know any better. I would think they would be easy to convert since they come from a country whose economy is very heavily regulated with obvious negative results. Maybe if the Republicans pushed for easier immigration procedures, the Latinos wouldn’t be so pissed off at the Republicans, and maybe then they would quit voting for the Democrats who will just turn this country into the same mess that Mexico is.

  • Raggs

    Amnesty for the illegals will ruin any chance for November. Furthermore it will impact 2012. The next bill on the white house desk is illegal reform.. Research it.. There is included in the bill a “national ID” for the citizens of this country…again research it…

    Now obama has all of the power he needs to do anything he wants..

    • Joe H.

      Raggs,
      I’m not so sure of that!! when Bush tried to pass Amnesty, 86% of the people were against it! I don’t think even those illegal locusts can over come that!!!!

  • http://www.personalliberty.com/news/pediatric-patients-with-chronic-pain-look-to-acupuncture-19609231/ James A Graham

    From: James Graham
    Date: 3/22/2010 12:16:59 AM
    To: undisclosed-recipients
    Subject: Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution

    As a retired military man that have given over twenty-seven years of my life to my country, I truly feel that what this
    Country needs most is a new amendment to the Constitution . I am recommending that we add the 28th amendment to the Constitution of the UNITED STATES.

    For too long we have been too complacent about the workings of Congress. Many citizens had no idea that Congress members could retire with the same pay after only one term, that they didn’t pay into Social Security, that they specifically exempted themselves from many of the laws they have passed (such as being exempt from any fear of prosecution for sexual harassment) while ordinary citizens must live under those laws. The latest is to exempt themselves from the Healthcare Reform that is being considered…in all of its forms. Somehow, that doesn’t seem logical. We do not have an elite that is above the law. I truly don’t care if they are Democrat, Republican, Independent or whatever. The self-serving must stop.

    This is a good way to do that. It is an idea whose time has come, Jim.

    Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution:

    “Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Congressman, Senators and Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Congressman. Senators and Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States”.

    This 28th amendment to the Constitution of the UNITED STATES Would apply to all passed, present and future
    congressman, Senators And Representatives.

    HTCM USN Retired James A. Graham E-Mail address is ( jagraham@charter.net ) Please forward !!!!!!!

    • http://naver Brady

      Hoooooaaaaah! I agree with you 100% Master Chief. My father served 32.5 years and retired a SHCM. I retired a SFC (Infantry) with the army. I not only agree with you, but I’ll back you up with everything this soldier has. Silver Star, Bronze Star, 2 Purple Hearts, and my Bachelor’s in History from Indiana University. Let’s keep up the fight.

      Brady Bowe
      SFC USA Infantry Retired

      • Barb

        For Brady, James Graham and all the military out there, active, inactive or retired!
        THANK YOU!!!!!! Thank you for your service to your country, your sacrifices and I know there were many, and your devotion to your country! I also agree with you James, what’s good for the Goose is good for the Gander! Kudos to you for coming up with that I know a long list of people who will back you up!!!

    • Fed Up Gal in NM

      HTCM Graham,

      What a light bulb moment! The only problem is the clueless in Washington are using their dim bulbs. Seriously, great job with your proposed change…and thank you for your great service to our country!

      Fed Up Gal in NM
      E7 USAF/ANG (Retired)

  • http://free2b L Ferguson

    I think yesterday proved to the majority of Americans that Washington is out of control. They really don’t care what we think. And any politician who says that we are a Democracy is a socialist. We are a Republic. That is if we can hold on to it. Now is not the time to give up. Be dilegent in who you vote for in the next election. There are some good people in Washington like Ron Paul. His voting record speaks for itself. Check out how they voted on issues like the Patriot Act, Cap and Tax, Real Id, Fair Tax, Enhanced Drivers License, Gun Rights. The Federal Reserve, etc. THEY created the problems we are having through regulations and taxes. And their solutions are more regulations and taxes. Our Freedom is on the line here people. Make no mistake about this, THEY do mean to control us in every sense. Obama has an agenda and this Health Care Bill is just the tip of the iceberg. Choose your next Govenors wisely, for they are the ones who give the Federal Government the power over the States. We have lost too much already. Their vision of a New World Order is not a place that I want to be in

  • Bev Partain

    My husband and I live in a small town in California. He is a Pharmacist and has dreaded what happened yesterday. Selfishly, we can be of “good cheer” because with this new monstrosity passing, he will be able to have a job in health care forever. His profession will be in full swing….not so for millions of other Americans who can’t now and will never be able to get jobs in this hideous economy. Our future daughter in law has a PhD in a specialty area of psychology….working in schools. She is graduating this spring and jobs are non existent. There are hundreds of thousands of other students in the same boat…coming out of college with tremendous debt and no jobs in sight. We are pretty much at the bottom now in our nation….and the only way is UP!!! It will be the people who project us out of this….lawsuits may be a way….don’t know if they will succeed…but I do KNOW Americans are driven by liberty and together we can do this. November will help and in 3 years a new President. We stay patient and engaged….I for one am making yard signs TODAY that will change periodically and show all my neighbors where I stand. People going by will read and learn…(some will be short pithy educational comments about our founders, laws and principles…some humorous (Burma Shave lore). THEN, my husband and I are going to Searchlight with some friends this weekend for the big TEA PARTY in Harry Reid’s hometown…on to Las Vegas after that to hear Ann Coulter as the group lands there on the first day of the journey to Washington. There will be lists of people to target in election season and WE WILL NOT FORGET. My new slogan: You ignored our voices….you cannot ignore our November votes. God bless us all…we are the modern day Patrick Henrys, George W’s, and Ben Franklins. I am 68 years old..I grew up with stories of galantry of WWII veterans. They did not fight and die for THIS CONGRESS….they fought for their beloved America and freedom. Can we do less????

  • MollyB

    Are any of the Democrats not lawyers? We have a freakin’ HUGE battle ahead of us.
    But, as one patriot said… “I have yet begun to fight”!

    • anna

      I find it very hard to concieve that the Democrats do not know that they are voting against the constitution that they swore to uphold..How can they not see what they are doing?

    • http://naver Brady

      Molly, it was John Paul Jones and he said: “I have not yet begun to fight.” I understand what you’re saying though.

      • Norm

        Let’s face it the games is over and you lost. Live with it.

        • Barb

          I was wondering when you would rear your ugly head Norm! As usual you are wrong! Game’s just begun and you ain’t seen nothin’ yet! Let’s see how smug you are down the line, this goes for you too AM lib! It will be fun to see how you guys react when you realize how Osama Obama duped all of you libs!

          • Norm

            Barb
            Defeat really hurts doesn’t it! Yes the game is over.

            My head isn’t ugly by the way. My wife says I’m kinda cute.

          • Joe H.

            Barb,
            Don’t you believe it!!! Women always thing the ugly pugs are cute!!!

          • JeffH

            Norm says: My head isn’t ugly by the way. My wife says I’m kinda cute.
            His wife must be blind!

          • Palin12

            His wife is Bawney Fwank.

          • Joe H.

            watch it you’ll have Am Lib in a jealous fit of rage!!!!

          • Fed Up Gal in NM

            Joe H,

            Hey!!!!!!!!!!!! Cut it out! You just insulted my pugs, comparing them to NORM!!!! Can they sue someone?????? LoL.

            Fed Up Gal

        • George S. Saliga

          Dude, America lost not a party, and guess what we will never give in!
          We won sir, look what’s happened, the people have risen and we are not going away! If you think usurping the Constutition Of The United States Of America is winning your not an America!

        • Barb

          Like they say Norm love is blind. However I will reiterate the “game” has just begun and you libs are so cocky, so ignorant of what is really going on and so self-centered and not team oriented at all , therefore you may win an occasional round but we will win the “game” as you put it. We are in it for our country, our kids and their kids, our future, our destiny. You libs are in it for yourselves, after all one of your favorite lines through the years has been “uh, what’s in it for me?” That attitude among many more like it is what is going to kill you libs!

        • Tim

          Norm: “Game over, you lost, get over it?” This isn’t a kickball game in the playground at your gradeschool. This is about trashing the Constitution. Maybe you should read it (or have someone read it to you, cuz deres some big wurds in it)and think about what that document means, instead of spewing vitriol learned from a left wing controlled media outlet. You can change the channel, you can do some research, you can actually think for yourself, right? Have you read the healthcare bill? Do you need the Gov telling you what you can and can’t do? Be a man, not a hind teat sucking statist.

    • Palin12

      Know what you get when you cross a crooked lawyer with a crooked politician? Chelsea!

      • Joe H.

        if they’re both male??? One of em’s NORM!!!!

  • http://www.personalliberty.com V. C. Russell

    If Obama starts leaning toward Amnesty for Illegal Aliens, watch out. Those people will be for Democrats and will vote them in come election time. Hopefully, there are enough politicians out there that can see that giving illegal aliens amnesty is a bad idea and we All need to scream loud and clear, and not stop, that it Is a bad idea and we will not stand for it. SOMEthing has to stop this travesty.

    • EltonJ

      IF we can’t, the Russians will.

  • Chiefatk

    A lot of the people that will benefit from the Health Care bill are here in the U.S. illegally, regardless of what the Dummies say. From what I saw on TV about the demonstrations for immigration reform, a lot of the demonstrators were in fact illegal immigrants. Demonstrating for their piece of the pie at the same time as we were being sold out by the Dummies. That was a missed opportunity for border patrol to round up hundreds, if not thousands, of illigal immigrants. Maybe they were not checked because of a possible violation of “their rights” to assemble. OB’s next step will be for immigration reform in the way of amnesty. Then, they can legally be worked into the illegal health care reform. Enjoy your freedom while it lasts!

    • American liberal

      Amnesty?.. You mean like Ronald Reagan did?….. And of course all you America haters remember how George W. Bush just ignored immigration reform and shoved it down the road so the next Administration could deal with it… Just like he did with everyother issue…

      • Norm

        Bush’s brother Jeb is maried to a latina so reform became a family matter.

        • Joe H.

          Norm,
          Bush didn’t just shove it on down the road. We STOPPED him!!! and we will stop Obummer also!!! Mark my words son!!! WE THE PEOPLE ARE NOW AWAKE AND DAMN MAD!!!!

        • JeffH

          racist…you got something agains latino women? I’m quite sure you prefer latino boys!

  • American liberal

    Finally Americas voice was heard…. President Ran on healthcare for all Americans… And won the election… You rightwing Anti American goverment haters lost… And just like I had to sit by and watch George W. Bush shove his agenda down our throats you rightys are getting a dose of it now… Only diffrence is Obama ran on this issue..watch his polls go up now… Most of my problem with President Obama is that he tried to include Republicans and we know their only agenda was to see the president Fail…Now the plan is the single payer option because this bill won’t be correct till that’s achieved….about these bailouts…. The wallstreet bailouts started during Bushs presidency( you rightys won’t admitt that , so I’ll keep reminding you….Taxes. : your taxes won’t be raised unless you make more than 250.000$ a year … I’ll also remind you our economic disaster started under Bushs tax cuts to the top 2% ( how’s that worked ?… and that tax code won’t expire till 2011…but thankfully it will ….the Tea baggers: they’re nothing but a bunch of ignorant racist fools… And America got a good look at who they really are this weekend.::: I enjoyed this weekend , hope you did too…. ” Yes we did”…. And yes we will…. You American hating Anti goverment Tim Mcveigh types better get busy.. The economys showing signs of rebounding and I’m positive you don’t like that…have a nice day…

    • anna

      your sadly mistaken and misguided.

    • Raggs

      Moron!

    • http://naver Brady

      Who the heck are you? Did you jump off of a train while it was crossing a bridge or something? I think you need to understand that the majority of Americans DID NOT WANT THIS THING TO PASS! Oh my Lord soldier, where did you just screw up? This program is unconstitutional and, if they are doing their job, the Supreme Court should strike this down as such. I think you need to read our founding documents and “Common Sense” again to really know what is supposed to be going on in this country. Oh and just remember one thing you ignorant fool, our founding fathers were all christians and put good, solid christian beliefs into the founding of this country of ours. I think you need to go back to a school that teaches the founding principles of our country.

      • Joe H.

        Brady,
        Wait till he starts paying those higher premiums for the coverage!!! Nope no taxes just higher premiums!!! dumazz!!!

    • Norm

      American liberal
      Good post!
      The truth is so hard to find on this site.

      • EltonJ

        Traitor.

        • Raggs

          No kidding how can anyone call themselves an american if they support this communist law.

      • CJ

        Norm, you’re obviously not reading the messages here, just looking for a place to snipe. The truth is all around.

    • Mike Johnson

      Perhaps you should take the time to read the Constitution of the United States including the Bill of Rights. Then you might get some basic understanding of the principles on which our country was founded and operated to become the most successful nation in the history of the world, that is, until the socialists took over, and are (unfortunately) transforming us into an economically and morally bankrupt, weak, welfare state, like most of Europe.

      You have MUCH to learn, and if you want a big government welfare state, I suggest you move to France, Italy, the UK, take your pick.

    • American

      Okay, so we know you’re black. That WAS your intention, was it not? This used to be a wonderful place to live until Jesse Jackson came along with Al Sharpton. Then came Jeremiah Wright. You talk about haters and anti-americans but fail to mention these three. You never hear conservatives talking about the color of anyone’s skin. It’s always, ALWAYS democrats and white-haters who do so. It’s Jackson, Sharpton and Wright who are constantly trying to get on TV by yelling “racism” at every white man or woman they can. They are the ones who have kept racism alive in this country and you, along with others who think like you, have helped them do it. If it weren’t for your kind, we’d never hear of racism anymore. It was the democrats who pushed affirmative action thereby denying hard workers their due promotions and pay raises so that they could go to blacks and other minorities even though they weren’t deserving by achievement. It was Carter who began the push for “fair housing” so that the number of black homeowners would be the same as that of white homeowners regardless of whether or not they would be repaying those loans. Then Clinton came along and clinched the deal. Republicans were feverishly warning of the fall of the economy when Fannie and Freddie collapsed (as anyone with any intellegence knew they would) and, lo and behold, look what happened. It had nothing to do with working hard to live the American dream and everything to do with entitlement. You aren’t discriminated aganst anymore, haven’t been in a long time. However you don’t want to work for anything, you want it to be given to you and the democrats keep doing that. No wonder you defend them so staunchly. It’s the white men and women who have worked and provided by way of taxation all that goes into the government programs. We are the ones who have been discriminated against for a very long time and frankly, I’m sick of it. I was never a racist, I’ve had black friends but they were good folks who earned a living like me, who faced obstacles and overcame them like me, who have raised good moral kids and taught them how to work hard like I have. And I have great respect for them. However, I have NO respect for you. The last presidential election was all about the color of a man’s skin and has continued to be the platform ever since. There has never been a time since that I haven’t seen it come up in the blogs I was reading…it always comes back to racism and it’s always blacks shouting about it. Why don’t you try learning a little tolerance yourself, find out what dignity and self-respect feel like (wonderful) and do something positive for the country that has been good to you instead of being a racist?

    • Barb

      If by rebounding you mean bounding into the deep dark abyss you for once are correct Amlib! Our economy is dead in the water you jackass and it is ALL because of the DAMNDEMOCRATS this tme and Osamaobamacare! Also why is it when you guys get pushed into a corner the only way you can defend yourselves is to pull the race card? It isn’t going to work here, mainly because the only racists on this site are you libs. So you might as well put that card back up your sleeve!

    • Joe H.

      AmADumbLib,
      The only TEA BAGGER on this site is YOU!!!! Get it dumazz????

    • Tim

      American ( and I use that name lightly) liberal, did you learn grammar at your local liberal run school system? Apparently it’s working, based on your run-on sentences, lack of correct punctuation and misspellings. Take a little look back in time about the economy. The economy dumped in 06, after your pathetic party took the house and senate. Of course, the housing bubble had to start it, thanks to the dems getting a bill passed to allow people who couldn’t afford loans get them anyway. And top 2% tax cuts? There aren’t enough people in that bracket to pay for ANYTHING. Tax cuts to them allow them to expand business so they can HIRE more people. You know, so they can have a job. That’s where you work and earn your own money. Try it sometime. The middle and lower middle class will be paying for healthcare for everyone else, bet on it. And while you’re at it, take a look at how many rich Libs there are, and ask how they do on their taxes (if they actually file them). And please remember: if the SHTF, don’t ask us for help, because you won’t get it.

      • Joe H.

        Tim,
        quit trying to scare Am A dumlib and norm with those four letter words…….Work, work, work!!!! I’ll bet both of them broke out in a cold sweat just from reading it!!!

    • http://vrusso51@aol.com Vinny Russo

      Savage is right on the mark, “LIBRALISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER”

    • michael

      AMEN

    • momof4

      Lib,
      I only wish you were right about the economy.

    • Fed Up Gal in NM

      American Liberal,

      So, I see you extended your PLLL membership……..hmmmmmmmmmmm.

      Fed Up Gal

  • MollyB

    Boy…did YOU erver get snowed!! Wait till reality bites you in the arse.

  • Larry Francis

    Bart Stupak and the others that were bribed in one way or the other reminds me of the old story of the business man stopped at the bar in the hotel he was staying in. After a few drinks he asked the beautiful lady sitting next to him,” would you go to my room and spend the night for two million dollars?” After much thought she answered “yes I would”. He then said “would you spend an hour for fifty dollars?”. She then slapped him across the face and said” what do you think I am?” and he answered ” we have already established that, we are now negotiating your price”. The question is , what price do you sell your country for?

    • laura

      A seat in the Cabinet.Over looking HUD where he can’t do much damage. Mark my words.

  • MollyB

    American liberal sounds just like every other liberal I’ve ever talked to. They all parrot the same phrases and name calling.
    Too bad….educate youself, kid.

    • Norm

      MollyB
      Right! the 3 stooges(Beck, Hannity, and Limbaugh) are holding classes as we speak.

      • Barb

        You should listen in Norm, but be careful you just might learn something! Oh shoot, I forgot I’m talking to a lib, totally incapable of learning anything new. Sorry!

      • Joe H.

        normy
        Can’t be the three stooges, P-lousy, Bawney, and Obummer aren’t there!!! Actually in this case there are FOUR stooges the fourth one is YOU!!!

      • CJ

        Funny that Norm has a proper moniker for liberals. They all normally choose to attack and never offer reasonable solutions. Just throw more money at it, which only works on the result of a problem, like buying more mops to clean up a mess insted of putting a little into stopping the source. Guess they’re only happy when they can complain. It explains why the keep making problems bigger.

      • JeffH

        Norm and the Marx Brothers are running this country right now.
        Karl Obama Marx
        Groucho Biden Marx
        Zeppo Pelosi Marx
        Harpo Reid Marx
        Chico Rahm Marx

  • http://bwmelton@atmc.net B Wayne Melton

    Wayne If anything this regime has done, it has mobilized the hesitant conservatives like myself. Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Emanuel, etc., have got to go along with all the incumbants who voted for this socialism action in our America-the land of the free. It is time to get back to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The rights that our God has given to us!

  • anna

    How, in good conscience can the liberal democrates go on and on about President Bush,( who I felt very safe being our President)that he lied, and not report on the overwhelming lies told to us by this President, who does not deserve to be in this office. We have got to remember to vote in November and get rid of the Democrates so at least it will be more difficult for him to take over any more of our liberties for the next two years.

    • JeffH

      anna, one must be conscious to have a good conscious

  • tim J

    Obamacare, is better than Republican-doesn’t care. The republicans had 15 months to help write a bill for this nation that is crippled, actually 100 yrs. Thank you Democrates, Oh, yes I’m against Abortion, how about you republicans uniting to reverse Roe-Wade and gain some real respect back.

    • http://naver Brady

      Sorry Tim, but we don’t need this thing, OK? Are you one of those people too lazy to get an insurance policy of their own? Just wait till you have to pay an extra $2000 or more a year for this thing. This is one of these things that we should raise the debate to our founding principles of self reliance, personal responsibility (which makes all social programs unconstitutional), and the vigilance to ensure that government remains our servants and not our masters. Do you think Barak “Insane” Hussein Obama wants to be our servant or our master?

      • Norm

        Brady
        What extra $2000/year is that? Excuse me but I missed that part. How about the $1000/year your and my insurance polices now cost because of the uninsured?

        • Joe H.

          Hey Dumazz,
          You think prices for coverage aren’t goint to go up??? You think it isn’t going to cost those right on the cut-off point who would be MANDATED to purchase coverage?? Are you that empty headed???
          I hope your coverage doubles in price!!! course a lazy bum like you that never works will get it for free!!

          • Norm

            Joe H.
            Insurance prices are up 20% to 40% without the legislation. And the Insurance cos. are saying that’s because they are losing customers because of the reccessian.
            I’m not working because, after over 40 years of working, I can well afford not to.

          • Joe H.

            shoot abnormal, tell that fairy tale to somebody that believes it!! you wouldn’t know work if it slapped you up side your gourd!!! if you don’t have to work it’s one of two causes either you are on welfare or mommie and daddie left you enough so you don’t have to!! so go study your fairy tale a bit longer and maybe you can convince yourself of it!!!

    • MollyB

      Everything the Republicans wrote, suggested and pleaded for on the health bill was ignored and then the democrats lied to you sheep saying the Republicans didn’t offer anything for health care reform.
      Did you watch that so-called health care summit? Obama is the rudest most disrespectful jerk I’ve ever seen in that office.
      He CONSTANTLY interrupted, talked over and sneered. He sat there and made stupid faces…like a spoiled 12 yr. old when he actually let a Republican say something. He’s a national disgrace! What an example he sets. No wonder all you liberals are so rude!
      Grow UP!

      • Norm

        MollyB
        The republicans had 1 8×11 sheet of paper with 2 suggestions, tort reform and tax cuts. The first is good, and the second has been overdone already. He treated them nicly not rudely. I guess you missed the crudeness of Boehner and Cantor.

        • JeffH

          Norm, you must not have been wearing your hearing aid or your coke bottle bottoms during the broadcast.

          • pete

            The Democratsgave in to a lot of the request from the republicans. Funny thing is as soon as the Demos agreed to it the republicans were against it.

          • JeffH

            pete, why don’t you tell us all about this totally partisan legislation and all the good things that were put in for the Republicans. You can’t because the Dems and Obama tossed a few bones, nothing that was meaningful. I’m not even a Republican, but I am a patriot.

          • JeffH

            pete the repeater, what is really funny is that you would believe that the Repubs ever did approve of it.

  • Betty

    At one time, my Family were democrats–and if my Parents or in-laws were still alive, they would have changed to Republicans by now. Just the way I did. I never voted straight party anyway–weighed what I heard & the inconsistencies. Did not vote for Obama (I can’t call him a President)–too much avoidance of the real issues. Believe me, from the very time Obama became a candidate, I had very bad feelings about him & knew bad things would take place. Not a psychic–but do get strong feelings on things. Ourselves, we can’t “Donate” money or things like that–we barely make it from week to week paying regular household bills–and we’re only a few years away from retirement status.

    Nope, it’s not totally about healthcare–this was only one step in total domination. All the constitutional rules have been broken, but yet, nothing has been done to make things right again–10 years ago, he’d have done been out of office for pulling things like this.

    Does anyone know if Kentucky plans on doing anything about this plan that determines who lives & dies if we’re not productive to society? Harsh words yes–but I’m very angry as well as my husband is. The government’s rear-ends need to be in this plan too–but they’re too good to be on such an inferior plan!! Someone let me know if Kentucky plans on Balking this in some way.

    • Susan

      It is indeed a very sad day for America. If Congress can vote on bills they haven’t read and now vote on bills that haven’t been written yet; what is to stop a bill getting snuck in to dismiss the term limits on the Presidency? We could be stuck with him for a very long time.Soon there will be a large statue of Obama put up in Washington. I’m just so sick, Part of America died and I feel I’m dying a long with it.

  • http://n/a Lila O’Connell

    To save time I scrolled down the long list of comments.
    BUT the contents of your email, WOW!!!

    I’ve been licking my wounds and the wounds of our country since late afternoon yesterday, but YOU have given me HOPE…..legal HOPE which we so need NOW.

    Thank you. I’ll be passing this along to my compatriots, are we called?

  • American liberal

    How about listing a few things Republicans have done for America… I’ll start…. Tax cuts for the rich… The Iraq war… …the recession were in now……… Now you finish the list…

    • tim J

      The american liberal, add this to you’r list, they should have put a $1billion bounty on bin ladens head to the world and we wouldn’t be in this war today, his own followers would have seized him.

    • http://naver Brady

      Oh my Lord soldier, are you drunk and out of your mind when you write these things? Tax cuts for the rich? In 2001 and 2003 all Americans had their taxes cut, not just the rich. I had just made E7 (Sergeant First Class) in the army, so believe me I wasn’t rich. The Iraq War I feel was necessary to take our some piece of trash like Saddam. If you look at Iraq now and before we invaded, now is a lot better. It’s a democracy. The people now have food, medicine, running water, etc. What have the democrats done for our country that spend more money then we have and tax us to death. The recession wasn’t caused by Bush, it was caused because people kept buying things that they couldn’t afford and the stupid financial industry giving out risky loans to these people. In other words, they cut their own throats. If I remember right, Obama gave bailouts as part of his stimulous package to CEO’s and big companies (GM, etc.). I spent almost 2 years in Iraq and I can tell you that we aren’t really paying for anything. Our military, and others (British, etc.) were the ones who rebuilt the roads, power lines, dams, etc., and we are not supporting their governmental programs with U.S. tax dollars. That would be unconstitutional. I think that it’s about time you earn the right to be called an American. Go to your nearest army recruiter and put your name on the line. Ask them to send you to Iraq and then you can see what it is really like. If they ask me to come back in and go to Iraq, I’d probably tell them to get me back into fighting shape first and then I’ll go. Why? We aren’t done yet. America just doesn’t start a job and retreat. No Way!

    • momof4

      Lib,
      Whats wrong Envious of the rich? Thats usually the case with you libs. It drives you crazy when people succeed.

  • American liberal

    I forgot to add the The bailouts of wallstreet to my list of wonderful things the republicans have given us …ohhhhh I almost forgot … The republicans gave Iraq goverment healthcare…and were paying for it….

    • Norm

      The Iraq war cost us more than healthcare will, and we still have 100,000 troops there. That surge really worked!?

      http://costofwar.com/

      • CJ

        Norm, keep showing your stupidity. Most of the cost of the war would have been spent even without the war going on. Economists use the pay and expenses our soldiers would receive in peace time towards that total. Here again, you show your lack of knowledge of the subject. Study economics, if you’re able to comprehend logic.

        • Norm

          First we are spending far too much on the peace time army.

          Second if you think an army at war is the same price tag as an army at peace, your an idiot.
          Throw in the costs of rebuilding, occupation, training and arming the iraquis and all the rest, and you head for a trillion dollar price tag.

          http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aairaqwarcost.htm

      • Joe H.

        abnormal,
        yup, so much for Obummers promise to get them out his first year, huh??? Just like all the other promises he’s made!!!

  • Norm

    But the American people hate this bill? Even with all the hate propganda, distortions, and lies:

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/125030/healthcare-bill-support-ticks-up-public-divided.aspx

    • CJ

      Polls can be questioned in a way to get any results you want. No educated person believes in them. That’s why the media thrives on them.

    • JeffH

      Normy, you want truth about HC approval? Here it is fooled one.

      Polling Data for Obama and Democrats’ Health Care Plan:

      Poll Date Sample For/Favor Against/Oppose Spread
      RCP Average 3/3 – 3/21 — 40.0 50.5 Against/Oppose +10.5
      CNN/Opinion Research 3/19 – 3/21 953 RV 39 59 Against/Oppose +20
      Rasmussen Reports 3/19 – 3/20 1000 LV 41 54 Against/Oppose +13
      FOX News 3/16 – 3/17 900 RV 35 55 Against/Oppose +20
      PPP (D) 3/12 – 3/14 1403 RV 45 49 Against/Oppose +4
      NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 3/11 – 3/14 1000 A 36 48 Against/Oppose +12
      Pew Research 3/10 – 3/14 1500 A 38 48 Against/Oppose +10
      Associated Press/GfK 3/3 – 3/8 1002 A 41 43 Against/Oppose +2
      Gallup 3/4 – 3/7 1014 A 45 48 Against/Oppose +3
      http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html

    • JeffH

      Normy baby, try looking at todays poll, not the January 12, 2010 poll you linked to.

    • momof4

      Norm,
      Thats one poll. Most show the opposite but you can believe it if it makes you feel better.

  • MollyB

    Ameerican liberal….Do you actually read or do you watch Jon Stewart and Keith Olberman? You repeat the exact same things a (sadly) liberal friend of mine does.
    Johnson was a Democrat and when JFK was assissinated, Johnson stepped up the Viet Nam war in ’65. JFK, although a Democrat, had already signed the order to be out of Viet Nam in ’65…I saw a film of Johnson in a cabinet meeting telling the Generals “I’ll give you your war, gentlemen” and he did….Democrat. JFK, although Democrat, had also signed executive order 1110 to abolish the Federal Reserve Bank…the day after the assassination, the Fed began quietly pulling the silver notes out of circulation and replacing them with Fed notes. Wonder what Johnson promised them???
    What it comes down to is the character of the man….Obama refuses to release ANY of his persoanl records like all presidents before him have….WHY? WHAT is he hiding? I wouldn’t trust the “character” of a man like that for a New York second.

    • CJ

      I may have missed it, but have we EVER gotten out of a war with a Dem in office?

      • Jim H.

        CJ, Yes WW2, but then again the main General was Republican(Eisenhower).

      • Palin12

        A democrat, Wilson, got us into WWI.
        A democrat, FDR, got us into WWII.
        A democrat, Truman, got us into Korea.
        A democrat, LBJ, got us into Vietnam.

        Who are the war-mongers?

        • Joe H.

          Palin12,
          you need to dig a little further, Kennedy got us into RVN!!! Not LBJ!!

          • Palin12

            You are correct. LBJ escalated it bigtime.

  • hunter

    Just like Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe Obooba has taken over another peice of america with the passing of healthcare. He now owns two of our largest american auto companies, most of, if not all banks, put together a land grab consisting of millions and millions of acres. All the while lavish white house patries are all the rage, as is rides on Airforce One. Its sickening to have to watch Congressmen and Senators that are supposed to represent us grovel and roll over for such, each trying to outdo the previous, jealous of the one that gets to kiss the ring of the Magnificent One.

  • American

    Wow, did you actually hear anyone with any intellegence say these things or are you just pulling them out of your a**? I hope you don’t think anyone reading your comments takes you seriously! You posted earlier a comment about no one making less than $250k/yr gets their taxes raised and suggested it was a lie. Do you know which president actually said this or are you just taking cues from other obama sheeple and drawing from your made up list of things to blame President Bush for? Do you have any idea how stupid you come across? You may want to step back and do a little reading before posting anymore. Either that or run for congress.

  • http://malong@union-tel.com eugene

    this is in deed a sad day we the americans have been lied to for quite some time. the constitution has been altered to the drum of a few who do not beleive in freedom the very foundation on witch this country was built. the liberalists have at there disposal the majority of votes to destroy the very freedoms that have built this country from the ground up. this obama welfare care bill will tax and destroy the very jobs that support government. look at all the foriegn welfare state countrys under soacialism what kind of future is in place for there people. we in the us have lost big time i doubt we can survive the fallout that lies before us. we have dug a big hole of debt that will be the end of the united states of america. the people or this country just cannot absorb this kind of debt load.

  • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

    THE LAND OF THE FREE_ SLIPPING AWAY__

    http://www.americairemember.com/2010/03/land-free/

  • Jerry

    Indeed we have lost our freedom, and it is going to get worse. Voting the Dems out in November is too little too late. The irreparable damage will be done by then. This bill had a provision in it that it cannot be repealed or overturned by a later Congress. If we cannot get this overturned on Constitutional grounds through the courts, then I am calling upon my state Senators to begin procedures to secede from the Union. I will start a grassroots petition to get it done. I believe many other states will follow suit. I did not spent 13 1/2 months in Vietnam fighting for democracy only to have my freedoms stripped away by these socialist nutcases. I will not be forced to help fund abortions, nor will I give up my rights to bear arms. If my state constituents do not have the courage to take drastic steps, then I will be forced to leave this country in pursuit of one who stands for the right and will not allow government tyranny. If we don’t take such stands now, it will be forever too late.

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      I HEAR YA JERRY, MY DAD AND 3 OF HIS BROTHERS FOUGHT IN WWII, DIFFERENT FRONTS AT THE SAME TIME__I’M GLAD THEY’RE GONE, BECAUSE THIS HEALTHCARE TAKEOVER WOULD KILL THEM!

      • American liberal

        Angel… That’s right, I remember you saying you had a ” military mindset” because your Daddy and uncles were in ww2…. Lmaoooooo… That’s so funny….my father was in ww2 also… Guess that makes me Audy Murphy…

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        IF WE IGNORE AM LIBBY, HE’LL EVENTUALLY GO AWAY, HE’S NOT WORTH THE EFFORT TO TYPE AND ANSWER.

      • Norm

        angel-wanna-be
        I bet they loved that free VA care the had.

        • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

          Oh Sure Norm, He loved it, that and the body of friend that he drug out of what was left the jeep that was blown to smittereens__by the way the 18 year olds head was 15 feet away__Get a Life A**hole!

          • Norm

            angel-wanna-be
            Your missing my point. VA care is good, econpmical, and deserved by those who receive it. I too had an uncle killed on guadal(sp)canal by a Japanese sniper.

          • Joe H.

            angel,
            Abnormal says that V.A.care is good? let’s see what about the quadraplegic that the Cleveland tv station did an expose about. he was in Brecksville va hospital and the nurse would bring his food in set it on his table and expect him to feed himself. They even cussed out a friend of his on the same floor that would sneak in and feed him.
            let’s talk about my best friend. he had congestive heart failure. they sent him home three different times while he slowly drowned in his own fluids in his lungs. they wouldn’t even approve him for a ramp when he was in a wheel chair. He did three tours in VietNam and this is how they treat him??
            Lets talk about a friend of mine that got a job with VA in Cleveland oh. she was called on the carpet for doing over seven cases in one week. She finally told them if they fired her for doing her job she would tell the papers why and name her supervisor. They left her alone after that. it was not too long after the case in Brecksville!!
            This is all because of Clintoon cutting the budget for defense and VA so I hope Abnormal idiot doesn’t try to tell me that again or I will tell him he is an idiot each time I see a post from him!!

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            SORRY NORM, THERES ANOTHER NORM FLOATING AROUND SOME OF THESE POSTS TOO, TOO MANY CONFUSES THE BLONDE___LOL__I DO APOLOGIZE

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            JOE H, I’M SORRY TO SAY, THAT BAD CARE, JUST DOESN’T HAPPEN IN THE VA HOSPITAL,I HAD AN INSURANCE WHORE FOR A DOCTOR, WHEN MY MOTHER WAS SO SICK,(I MAY HAVE POSTED SOMETHING TO YOU ABOUT IT I DON’T REMEMBER)IF I DID DISREGARD THIS, BUT BETWEEN A MANAGED CARE HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANY DICTATING WHAT THEY WOULD PAY FOR AND THE LAZY A**ED DOCTOR WITH AND EGO, WHO WASN’T PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN HELPING TO CARE FOR MY DYING ELDERLY MOTHER, WHO KEPT SENDING HER HOME, TO THE TUNE OF 5 TIMES IN TWO WEEKS, TIL SHE DIED.THEN THE B*STARD(PARDON MY FRENCH)REFUSED MORPHINE THE DAY SHE DIED, TWO OF MY MOTHERS FORMER DOCTORS SIGNED FOR IT__I’VE BEEN THROUGH ALOT MYSELF AND I’VE BECOME A SERIOUS SKEPTIC__WHEN FAMILIES INVOLVED, YOU’VE GOT TO STAY ON TOP OF EVERYTHING IN HEALTHCARE__YOU CAN TRUST NO ONE TODAY AND IT’S JUST SAD AS HELL___I HAD MY DAD SIGNED UP FOR THE VA, THEY CALLED AND SAID THEY HAD A BED A DAY AFTER HE DIED, ALMOST LIKE A BLESSING__

    • American liberal

      Jerry , why don’t you name a couple rights that you believe president Obama has taken from you?…

      • Joe H.

        The right of self determination!!! I am being FORCED TO PURCHASE A COMMODITY!!!

        • Norm

          Joe H
          Only if you don’t already have it. Are you a free booter?

          • Joe H.

            no, but if I so choose to drop it I could . spread you progressive crap somewhere else osamaboy!!!

        • Palin12

          I agree Joe, that’s the #1 reason I’m against obamacare. Look, when they had the democratic primary, one of the biggest differences between Obama and Hillary was that she was in favor of mandates with fines and jailtime, and he was not. Check it out on youtube, it’s easy to find. Then what happened? After he got in, he changed it to her way. I also don’t like the idea of them hiring 1000′s of new IRS agents to ensure compliance.

      • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

        How about violation of his oath of office to begin with?

  • Susan

    The Land of the Eternal Freebies for Non-Americans and the lazy.

  • Raggs

    It’s a shame our freedom has been rubber stamped away.

  • American liberal

    Ragg… List some of those freedoms you keep ranting about that President Obamas taken from you?… I keep hearing from you that Liberals have rewritten the history books… How about an example ?..

    • Barb

      The freedom of choice to have the health insurance we want when we want for one thing is going to be gone now. The choice of who our doctor is will be gone now, the choice of living or dying is no longer our choice but some panel’s in Washington!!! That is a basic right to life,and liberty right there MORON. I could go on but I’m getting too angry and I need a break from you and Norm and your utter stupidity! I shall return. I have to go, I volunteer at the hospital and they are going to need me today! Volunteering I bet that is a foreign word to you,huh Amlib?

      • michael

        You can tell by the way Barb ended her rant she like most conservatives is racist.

        • Barb

          Michael are you saying that blacks don’t volunteer??!!!?? Sorry but they do! And Hispanics and a lot of other cultures! I’m prejudiced yes, I HATE Progressive liberal socialistic jerks like you Michael! DUMBA..! But that is all I reserve all my hate, loathing, and contempt for you guys! Now I really do have to leave for a while! Carry on bashing these libs you guys!

          • Joe H.

            Please tell me what was racist about any of barbs post?? did you ever go to school? Learn to use a dictionary and look up the definition of the word dumbazz!!! you really need the practice!!!

        • momof4

          Mikey,
          You got it wrong. It’s the Dems that are racist, they are the ones that have blacks dependent on them therefore making them slaves to the government. The Dems are the ones who think black people can’t Succeed without there help. Now thats racisim.

          • JeffH

            Calling people racist is just a liberal talking point, nothing more.

          • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

            No group plays the race card more than those complaining about racism.

  • Gerry

    Why wait for Obama’s for years, to vote him out, maybe we the people should impeach him and start getting rid of the rest of the garbage, If they don”t want top listen to the people and work for the people best intrest (that they are suppost to be doing, let made them go away at the next election,, if not sooner. Also if they have every voter us a picture I.D. we could have deleted hundreds of thousand of fraudulent vote from groups like Acorn.

    • Susan

      I was sickened when I went in to vote for Scott Brown and they did not ask for any Id. i could have voted for my children too, they didn’t really care!

  • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

    THEY PASSED HEALTHCARE IN A DAMNED UNDERHANDED WAY, IF THEY GET AWAY PASSING HEALTHCARE, POSING AS AN HUMNITARIAN EFFORT, THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH ANYTHING _-THIS AIN’T ABOUT HEALTH CARE AND NEVER WAS___AND IF IT IS__TIME WILL YELL__WON’T IT??

  • Norm

    Panel four of the Jefferson Memorial in Washington DC:
    “I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors.”

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      I KNOW, LIKE POLITICIANS ARE MORE SYMPATHETIC TODAY??__, THEY ARE JUST AS RUTHLESS AND POWER HUNGRY, IF NOT MORE!

    • Jim H.

      Norm, Times and tech has changed, but I don’t think human nature has, MOST people still want to be FREE and accountable for themselves.

      • Norm

        Jim H.
        Freedom to have medical care no mater what your financial status, employment situation, or home location is freedom.

        • JeffH

          Your kind of freedom only extends to government, which is the freedom to force and the freedom to control the masses. The government has now taken the freedom of choice out of health care.

          • Norm

            JeffH
            Your healthcare choices were made by your insurance provider, not you.
            All insurance is a peculiar bussiness. It’s cheap and available to people who are least apt to need or use it.

          • JeffH

            Normy baby, I had a choice in the matter then, I don’t now do I. As I said before…

          • Norm

            JeffH
            You have the same choice as you always had.

          • JeffH

            Normy baby, that all will change with this legislation, and I don’t want big government meddling with my health care choices. As I do now, I will want to do later.

        • Jim H.

          Yes, Norm the American tax payer is morally obligated to pay YOUR doctor bill, that’s freedom. (for you, not the tax payer).

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Prepper-in-chief

    Right on, Jerry. I’ll move to the state that secedes from this destructive “government”. This country has become the land of “gimmies”, where the lazy will support those that will give them the most. It’s time we woke up and realized we’ve been too long trusting our elected elite to do the right thing in our name. I’m not for a violent revolution, per se, but I’m ready for one, and I WILL be on the side of the people. There are a majority of states in different stages of suing the government over this most recent usurpation of power, but that will be a long time happening. In the meantime, look for Obama to try making as many illegals into legal citizens as possible, to up his voting base. The only choice may be secession, and I’m ready to go to the state that has the cojonas to do it. Hopefully Texas, so we can control that border at the same time.
    Prepare, folks, bad times are ahead. And true patriots will be needed.

    • michael

      Good just like that fat piece of crap limbaugh you can get out of this country we don’t want you here anyhow.

      • momof4

        Mikey,
        Limboughs not fat anymore.Whats wrong jealous of his wealth and brains.

        • michael

          I will admit limbaughs wealthy, he gets idiots to listen to his show. Brains on the otherhand i would disagree I know 5 year old that are smarter then that drug addict.

          • momof4

            Now, now Mikey that’s not very compassionate.

  • American liberal

    I’m not sure what you rightys even mean by ” small goverment” you didn’t seem to have any problem with Ronald Reagans or George W. Bushs huge goverments….it’s nonsense if you think yhis countrys ever going back to the size of Goverment we had in the 1700′s…let alone back to the 1950′s… Not going to happen…anyone in here have a problem with the republicans butting in on Terri Schievos life?…of course not…

  • Rob from Canada

    The view from here is an unpleasant one indeed. This letter is sent, with a very heavy heart, from Canada. You know, the country with socialized medicine. The country with the healthcare system your ‘leader’ is giving you this very moment. I fear that your NEW system will be the very worst of all the industrialized countries. Why? Because no system of this kind has ever been instituted in a country of your size (300+million). Also, no other G20 country has created a system with purposefully built-in inequities such as yours. I’m speaking, of course, of the sweetheart deals that were negotiated for certain states.
    Face it, you’ve been socialized. It’s a fact in the present but what are you willing to do about it? You are the last hope for freedom in the world and, as you well know, healthcare is just the beginning. Healthcare is just the diving board into the cesspool of socialism in which you’ll soon be swimming.
    Let us now prepare for a thousand years of darkness. Maybe China will assist the downtrodden of the world; the victims of genocide, natural catastophies and brutal dictators. Perhaps Russia will take it upon themselves to fight the good fight because the USA isn’t going to have enough money or will to do much of anything anymore at home or on the world stage.
    Shakespeare said that all the world’s a stage and all the people merely players. Good Americans please don’t exit stage LEFT.

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      ROB FROM CANADA, WE SAW THIS COMING, BUT WITH THE DEMS IN POWER, THERE IS LITTLE WE CAN DO, UNTIL MID-TERM ELECTIONS__QUESTION IS, WILL IT BE TOO LATE AND WHAT CAN WE DO?

    • Palin12

      Great post Rob! Well said. Thank you!

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Prepper-in-chief

    To American Liberal

    Our right of the majority to be correctly represented. Our right to a constitutional republic, and not a socialist tyranny. Our right to choose what WE want, not some commy politician. And so many others Obama has attacked that I don’t have the patience to tell you because, in the end, you won’t believe a thing anybody but your messiah has to say. Go be led, Sheeple.
    You poor liberals are always so ready to give your rights away. Move to Venezuela if you want that kind of government.

    • Raggs

      Prepper… Your wasting your time with him.

    • American liberal

      Wrong…. Their was an election won by President Obama…. The people have spoken … You lost… President Obama didn’t sneak in healthcare.. He ran on it… Pay attention..

      • CJ

        On lies, deception and back room arm twisting. Politics at it’s finest. You’re just too conceited to acknowledge blatent truth.

      • Hello?

        Wherher you know it or not , we are all on the Titanic and the innocent will go down with the ship the same as the people that made the hole.
        A kingdom devided against it’s self cannot stand and that is why the Roman Empire fell.
        Read and study the Bible and it will tell you of all that is taking place right now and what is to come.
        By the way, Socialism will soon run out of other peoples money. We should have a tax revolt in this country, then where would all the people with intitlements to your hard earned money get their healthcare and food stamps. We , the working people pay the bills and are being made fools of and now they want us to pay for other peoples birth control by abortion. God will not stand for this! We are sinking our own ship.
        We need to get off our lazy behinds and be heard but they haven’t heard us thus far and the health care vote was pretty cleat that is the case. I think that Pelosi’s hammer would look good being held by her behind.

  • American liberal

    Bushs tax cuts were passed how?….Or have the so called republicans ever used ( deem and pass)?…

    • Raggs

      Ok .. so lets see… The government is going to FORCE me to buy insurance or they will put me in prison… Well if this isn’t hitler made over.

  • Norm
    • JeffH

      Norm, it is only natural that you, who feeds at the socialist trough, would also believe what you read.

    • Joe H.

      ABNORMAL,
      ONLY you would use the examiner as an example!! right from the very district of now famous Dennis I saw an alien KOOKCINICH!!!! What an idiot you are!!!

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Prepper-in-chief

    It doesn’t matter. Progressives are Progressives, and it’s time we realized what’s happening, and clean house, whether they’ve got an R or D next to their name. I’m ready for Lindsey Graham and John McCain to go, just as much as most Democrats.
    It’s time to pay attention to the Progressive usurpation, not the Republican or Democrat.
    Watch Glenn Beck on FOX at 4 pm EST, for goodness sake!

  • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

    You say, “He (Jefferson) saw the Constitution not as a document that restrained the people, but as one that restrained the Federal government.”

    How wonderfully simplistic! And it is clearly a very careful selection of all of his writings to twist into supporting your no-government position.

    Jefferson was not clairvoyant and did not see the growth of the corporations with their financial and economic power over people. And with that, came the power to usurp the will of the people by incentivizing them and their elected representative away from their own best interests of the people. That growth of robber baron corporations created economic and political enslavement that at times were rolled back by anti-trust provisions against robber baron corporations and later by Glass-Stegall legislations to prevent such rampant financial speculation to bring the Nations financial industry down.

    But under Reagan “voodoo economics”, the Milton Friedmanical religeon of “trickle down” tax breaks for the rich, we have now under corporate control that runs such things as the banking-Wallstreet firms and every other major part of our economy. The most outrageous exapmple of this totalitarian control has been the corporate abuse of the health care system at the cost of the health and welfare of the people at the most basic levels.

    That totalitarian system has reduced the middle class almost to a point of non-existence. Beginning with the Reagan Air Traffic Controler strike in 1980, the strength of unions to maintain a united front of groups of people to confront these corporate powers has been eroded resulting in stagnating growth in real income levels and lost jobs as these jobs are shipped out of the country under trade agreements like NAFTA and CAFTA.

    The last thing the middle class has to deal with the corporations, almost totally controled by the rich class, is the U.S. government.

    The last power the people have is with their votes. The very essence of democracy is socialism. If there is no agreement, then you admit you are a Fascist with economic and political power to be held only by the few -the rich. There the people will have no civil rights or human rights such as the direction health care has taken.

    If there is no control of corporations we will have no economic freedom and we will have no political freedom.

    Then it will be time to arm up and go after the corporate leader and their supporters in a 2nd revolution just as we did against the British economic and political control. Liberty will not be usurped under any circumstance, whether incentivized by bribed and bought off economic jackals or naive lemming followers of some quaint political and economic mysticism.

    Libertarians just don’t get it.

    • Jim H.

      RUN, Your right, those evil big buisnesses(the ones who provide us with jobs) are out to get us and the ONLY way we can stop them is with the ever wise, benevolent and kind BIG government. After Sunday night we’re on our way, COMRADE. Do you ever have an original thought, or are you just a parrot? BARAAAAACK Radio want a cracker?

      • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

        Well, there’s nothing like eating the Ayn Rand crackers of economic thinking and parroting the corporatist mantras low cost of capital equipment and low cost for labor.

        What is more important to you. Corporate profit or keeping the country going?

        When you do away with the middle class and just leave the rich and the poor, who is going to pay for your national defense to defend your profits.

        The conservative, Bill Buckley, had pushed Ayn Randettes out of the Republican Party. But Reagan and Gingrich brought those idiots back out of the woodwork. I wonder if there are any other Bill Buckleys out there to save the Republicans before they collapse completely as a viable party independent of Fascist control.

        By the way, when is your fat god, Rush Limbug, going to leave the country. That bleeding cyst promised he would leave the country if the health care reform passed. That’s probably why all the liberals in congress united to vote the health care reform through.

        • Jim H.

          BAAAAAARACK, Big government better, big government better, BAAAAAAARACK. How many people do you think are provided jobs by the big evil corporations and were do you think the money comes from to support the kind, benevolent, wise Uncle big government. The government would collapse without private industry. Industry can do just fine without big government. When it comes to the evil bigs, Like big oil, big pharma, big ins. the one I trust least is big government,COMRADE.

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            But it is a pretty good deal, isn’t it, when the U.S. government is must big enough to save these might, righteous, honorable corporations from financial collapse saving over compensated jobs making stupid derivative bets beyond any quaint comprehension of the convuluted complexities.

            And it certainly took big government to make a bought off decision from your type of politicians that gave open checkbook payoffs in MedGap insurers and pharmaceutical corporations back in the 2003 Medicare Revision Act, didn’t it.

            And it took big government to start a needless war in Iraq that benefitted the corporate military industrial complex with members like Haliburon, didn’t it.

            You should be getting and keeping a hard-on with the big goverment lackey you have for your wonderful all American corporations, like Haliburton relocating the Saudia Arabia in 2006, who are shipping jobs out of the country to cheaper foreign labor pools leaving the middle class sinking into poverty and our U.S. government going broke.

            Go slap your monkey somewhere else with that fantasy.

        • Jim H.

          There was a place where government ran the whole show. Let’s ask the Soviet Union how well that worked. Oh wait, we can’t they’re not here any more. You are right in the idea that private industry should not be government subsidized, they should stand on their own. On the other hand they should be allowed to operate without being regulated to death. The reason some needed help was because BIG government regulations put them in that position. so stop with the Marxist propaganda and figure out how an economy works, COMRADE.

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            I am not your “comrade”. Maybe your political economical, dead, idol Aynn Rand could be called your spiritual Goddess. She fled Lenin’s Russia (1926) about the time that Trotsky started getting into a fight with Stalin, lost that struggle and left in 1928.

            So, your spiritual goddess was more of a Marxist central controler of economy very supportive of corporatist principles that would have been acceptable to the Marxist Trotsky as comfortable throwback to the Czarist control of the economy with free enterprise of peasants always controled by the banks and large robber baron interests in central regional markets.

            The regulatory control has to make sure the economic system does not squeeze out of existence the small businesses that operate or squeeze into economic poverty the people who work in this economic system. Even your guy, Teddy Roosevelt and a Rupublican back in the first decade of the 1900′s signed into law the anti trust provisions that limited the power of robber barons like Carnegie, Rockerfeller and Jame J. Hill.

            And Teddy Roosevelt was for a National Health Insurance when he ran as an independent progressive in 1910 and lost to the Democrat Wilson for POTUS.

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            Aynn…. RAAAaaaAAANDD!!

            Hack up those hair balls.

            Aynn, Aynn RAAAAAAaaNNNNNDD!

            RAAAAAAaaannNNND corporate libertarianist Fascism, direct from Russia.

            Are you a member of the Russian mafia too? Is that your version of a masonic lodge?

            Hack it up!

        • Jim H.

          Radio UpChuck, I’ve never seen so many words written and absolutely nothing said. Blind hatred will do that to a person. I don’t know what happened to you, to make you hate so much that you can’t listen to reason and all you can do is ramble aimlessly, quoting Marxist dogma,but you should find smarter people to PARROT. UpChuck want a cracker? BAAAARAAAK.

        • Jim H.

          Hi Radio Up Chuck, We’ll just see how the Keynesian economics work out this time, even though they have never worked before. I’m more from the marginalist school myself, it’s be proven to work.Comparing me to a monkey? What did those poor monkeys ever do to you? Since you hate Aynn Rand so much, I had to look her up. Now I see why you hate her so much, she’s pretty smart. Say Hi to every body in the parrot cage for me. BAAAARAAAAK.

          • Normal Guy

            Jim

            Have you ever read Keynes? I mean have you even done any research on his concepts. From your statements it is clear that you only refer to the spend and monetary stimulus side of his argument.

            As you will probably never bother listening to anything but the Fox sound bites Keynes advocated for stimulus in down cycles but fiscal recovery during up cycles, refilling the coffers while mitigating the possibility of economic bubbles. Only half of his policies are utilized because it is way more popular for politicians to spend even during booms. That is exactly what Bush and his pack of political cronies did. In a boom they cut taxes, reduced interest rates and inflated a real estate and stock equity bubble that -when it unwound almost pulled the entire global economy into a depression. By the way Clinton did what he should have done stimulus early generate momentum and raise taxes and interest rates to slow growth. The result – a strong economy and a reduction in debt.

            My god it is frustrating being on this site. You people really should spend some time away from the Fox media whore trough and learn something about the drivel they pass off as fact.

          • Jim H.

            Normal Guy, You say Fox News like it’s a bad thing. You ASSUME I watch it. When I get home from work I don’t want to be frustrated by watching news, I get news from news papers. Yes I refer to the spend and stimulus side because that is what is going on(and not working) NOW. Sorry if we frustrate you so. If it gets so bad you could not read our posts, just like I don’t watch TV news.

    • JeffH

      My my my, if it isn’t Mr. “international corporate socialist” back on line. The CAP keeps you guys pretty busy don’t they? Welcome back happy fool!

      • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

        A fool like you should look in the mirror to know what kind of person a fool actually looks like.

        Do you ever leave this website? Are you a incentivized corporate international socialist to try to spread the Ayn Rand, libertarian Mein Kampf?

        • Joe H.

          Radio,
          why are you looking over his shoulder???? Not only would he see a fool in you, he’d see an ignorant fool at that!!!

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            You have nothing: no facts or counter arguments.

            Your attempt to distract with insults only shows a 15 watt mind in a 150 watt world.

          • JeffH

            Talk about insults Mr ” international corporate socialist”, you are the master of insults. That is what you liberals are and what you liberals do….sticks and stones…

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            I’m glad you and your kind are beginning to see that Democrats and moderates are pushing back at your hollering, whining and insults that all of you have reduced the political arena into becoming.

            You are going to have to return to Bill Buckley conservative Republicanism before you and your type will regain my respect.

        • JeffH

          Radio Way UpNorth to Alaska…I don’t even pity you fool!

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            Ditto for you, dot head.

            A dot head has no capacity for compelling debate but can’t resist the need to prove they can type tripe.

          • JeffH

            Radio way UpNorth by Northwest,
            There is no debate with your “international corporate socialst” mentality. That says all one need to know about you!

          • http://www.MumblingRepublican.com Radio UpNorth

            It is to know that you, as defender of corporate international socialism, are an Aynn Rand Fascist.

  • http://PersonalLibertyDigest Nancy

    Last night I watched, with utter dismay, the beginning of the end of this great democracy we have all enjoyed for so long. This law can be repealed by the next Congress, however, Obama will still be President, and he will inevitably veto any such action; however, if 2/3 of the Senate and 3/4 of the House come together, it can be repealed without the President’s consent. The only way that can happen is if we replace every single Democrat who is up for re-election in the House AND the Senate in November.(Even then, I’m not sure that a 2/3 vote in the Senate can be reached as only 1/3 if them are up for re-election this year. If not, then we would have to carry through the remedy to the next election year.) Otherwise, we will have to rely on the Supreme Court and our State Officials to see it overturned. We all know those outlets are, by no means, a sure thing. Our own complacence has brought us here. We are all going to have to wake up and take our government back! It’s easier than you think – ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS REGISTER AND VOTE!!!!!!!!!! 20% of the American Public put these people in office because the other 80% didn’t care enough to spend 5-10 minutes marking a ballot. If these people are re-elected this year, shame on us all – WE DESERVE EVERY BAD THING THAT WILL BE COMING OUR WAY!!! If you don’t vote, then you don’t have the right to complain.

  • Norm

    The Party’s Over, it’s time to call it a day.
    They’ve burst your pretty balloon and taken the moon away.

    It’s time to wind up the masquerade.
    Just make your mind up the piper must be paid.

    The Party’s Over.The candles ficker and dim.
    You danced and dreamed through the night,
    it seemed to be right just being with him.

    Now you must wake up, all dreams must end.
    Take off your make up, The Party’s Over.
    It’s all over, my friend.

    • JeffH

      In the immortal words of Mr. T, I pity the fool!

  • http://mog7@cox.net Muriel P. Goyette

    This so-called Health Reform Bill has been passed against the will of the people. It is not the role of Congress or the president to make decisions for the people, but only to be their spokesman.If this action is allowed to hold, AMERICA IS DEAD. Making decisions for the
    people comes under the heading of Socialsim, Communism in any other word, damning America to third world level, a world of the illiterate
    and the incompetent,not one step ahead of plain ole slavery.Not one.
    Approval of this unconstitutional bill means freedom does not exist in
    USA.It has been the purpose of the mystery man in the white house and
    the elite for decades and now will become law only if Americans are too ignorant to protest, under the pain of impeaching the persons involved with the gross deception in this bill. Parachuting a bill
    forcing Americans to live by whether they like it or not? If Benedict
    Arnolds are in charge of this country, Patrick Henry said it best.

  • http://gmail Raindancer

    Dems always spend’s someone elses money, they don’t pay their taxes, Stupak was bought off with tax money, he had all mouth and was in Nancy’s stockings all along. All the socalist dems always piss and whine about tax breaks for the rich and wars, can the dems ever produce a job on welfare wages, No way! Dems hero, FDR was a major screw up and a fool the country to get his bu—-it programs tamped down to recover. With the muslim and brain dead dems, watch the taxes climb and jobs drop! The only thing they love is spending someone else’s money and welfare programs for the able bodied drag asses. I see the Doc “the dork”, hasn’t enlightened any one yet. Every liberal on this site apperantly, haven’t ever worked for themselves or created anything but pipe dreams, bowel movements don’t count. Everytime a lib goes off on tax breaks, YOU KNOW THEY DON’T PAY THEIR TAXES AND GET GOVERNMENT SUBSISTITIES OF SOME KIND!!!. Any Roosevelt in office was and still is a eleitist peice of socalist manure. TR and the parks system is another giant sucking sound on governemnt waste and money ill spent. Ranks right up with the reserrvations. Put the land back in the private sectors hands and on tax rolls!! Senic beauty don’t feed and clothe people, government jobs are not productive work, democrat voting bloks is what has been created by and for screw ups who couldn’t survive in the real job market. All are a drag on taxes spent.

    • Setti

      What a jerk, You’re so mad and probably have no real idea why except people brain wash you into thinking you should be mad.

      • JeffH

        Setti must be one of the Soros/Obama bloggers sent out to the conservative websites. Are you working for The Center for American Progress, you know, the nonpartisan research and educational institute” aimed at “developing a long-term vision of a progressive America” and “providing a forum to generate new progressive ideas and policy proposals.”
        http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6709

        • Setti

          Why is it that whenever someone disagrees with you you all think they must work for the government or are a mole or something. Truth is you all are just parnoid because people like Bob Livingston, Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck make you that way. You don’t have the ability to think for yourself. You only know what your leaders tell you. The fact that your leaders are out there telling lies and misleading should be enough to realize that your freedoms are alive and well. They are on TV the radio and Internet. No one shuts them down. You’re just not smart enough to figure out that they only do it for money.

          • TIME

            Duh Setti,
            Do you think for yourself? I don’t think so not with you post.
            So for all your rhetoric one BIG YADA. Your a mindless poser.

          • JeffH

            Why is it that you post under diffrant names yet still speak the same language. Go drain a swamp in your Florida or something and try being honest rather than the liar you are.

    • momof4

      ALmost all the Libs I know and I know alot are fantastic at spending other people’s money. And they are the first ones to cheat on their taxes.

      • Palin12

        ….and the laziest ones at work, always taking naps and calling in sick.

  • Michael

    Revolution, what are slaves waiting on, one world government…!!! Less Talk, More Action..!!

  • tommy boy

    look out death camps are already in place. if you have cancer or aids and stuff you will be shipped out to the camps to die.

  • http://mog7@cox.net Muriel P. Goyette

    Believe me. American citizens will beg to die rather than live in the
    slimey, hopeless, and unfree America that Barack Huseein Obama is
    creating for America. A man who dares not reveal his background to the country he claims to lead, but actually, is destroying, selling out
    America…..as if it is his personal right to do so.Does not America
    question why this creature pays $2 million hush money, while brutally
    stamping over every single basic American right? Does he dream it is not totally obvious the why he entered American politics? To change
    America? Who asked him to? We have a Constituion that he wipes his feet on with every act he takes.

    • JeffH

      Who Is Behind Barack Obama’s Rise to Stardom? George Soros, through his Open Society Institute, funnels approximately $300 million a year into various liberal venues, including the influential MoveOn.org, which he owns. According to veteran researcher Anton Chaitkin, Soros also hand-picked Barack Obama to challenge Hillary Clinton (and ultimately defeat GOP nominee John McCain). On Sept. 5, 2008, he wrote, “Barack Obama came under special Soros sponsorship in the 2004 U.S. Senate race [and] raised $60,000 for his campaign.” After attaining victory, Obama met personally with Soros, then attended a fundraiser at his home.

      http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/behind_barack_obama_188.html

  • Gary Slocum

    Who will lead the revolution? Please let me know where to sign up. I will bring lots of friends

    • Setti

      Why be a follower? Why don’t you take the lead?

  • Gerry

    Why wait for Obama’s four years, to vote him out, maybe we the people should impeach him and start getting rid of the rest of the garbage, If they don”t want top listen to the people and work for the people best intrest (that they are suppost to be doing, let made them go away at the next election,, if not sooner. Also if they have every voter use a picture I.D. we could have deleted hundreds of thousand of fraudulent vote from groups like Acorn.

  • Setti

    With the recent passage of the proposed Health Care Reform Bill in the House of Representatives, a lot of Americans are now looking for the explanation of the pros and cons of this new health care bill. They are asking themselves: “What does the health care bill mean to me?”

    How can you explain the Obama Health Care Plan? Well, we all know that most Democrats agreed and voted “yes” to this new health care bill on the ground that it will help a lot of Americans with their health insurance costs.

    In contrast, Republicans voted for a “no” simply because they claim that this Health Care Reform Bill is so expensive that it may hinder the growth of the US economy given that the total expenses of the US Government is pegged at $940 billion.

    So given the contrasting ideas of both Democrats and Republicans in this Health Care Reform Bill, what are the pros and cons of this new health care bill to the millions of ordinary Americans? Let’s enumerate some of them.

    Health Care Bill PROS:

    1. Discrimination of health insurance companies will be eliminated. No more pre-existing conditions clauses in health insurance contracts.

    2. Given the fact that millions of Americans will be insured by this new health care bill, the US Government can negotiate among health insurance firms to lower the premiums of their health insurance. This would mean less health insurance costs for a lot of Americans.

    3. Tax credit will be given to those Americans who still cannot afford to avail health insurance to help them to have one.

    4. Stiff competition among health insurance firms will possibly result to much lower insurance costs and more quality health insurance products and services.

    5. Aside from the elimination of pre-existing conditions stated above, the coverage amount or sum insured will also be waived by health insurers.

    Health Care Bill CONS:

    1. Given the huge amount of expenses pegged at $940 billion in a spread of about 10 years, it might slow down the growth of heavily burdened US economy.

    2. Insurance Availment Mandate. You have no choice but to get a health insurance. Otherwise, you will be subjected to a 2% tax increase which will be used to subsidize the insurance costs of other Americans. Healthy people who take care of themselves will have to pay for the burden of those who smoke, are obese, etc.

    3. There will be a tax increase on people with very high income. If you are making more than half a million per annum, you will have about a 1% tax increase.

    4. The US Government will have more control in the health insurance industry causing patients’ confidentiality to be more likely compromised since centralized health information will likely be maintained by the government.

    5. Chances of bribery may possibly increase as health care equipment, drugs, and services may end up being rationed by the government.

    • JeffH

      Setti, I’m making an assumption that you are employed with CAP.

      • Joe H.

        jeffH,
        he must work for them, he knows what the politicos don’t what is in the bill!! and they voted for it!! what utter bullshat. they didn’t even know what was going to be in it and they voted for it!! what utter fools these politicos be!!!

        • JeffH

          Foe Show Joe H.

        • Setti

          So you admit you don’t know what’s in the Bill. However you rant and rave over what your cornball leaders tell you is in the Bill. You take their word for it. Truth be told those of us that already have insurance won’t even know when things go into effect. You’re all worked up over nothing except that you are being used by the Republican party to get re-elected. They were in power for how many years in Congress? How many years did we have a Republican President? How many people died during that time just from war? The current President is trying to save lives. I guess that’s what has you confussed. You all only know how to kill. Even you slogan, “Kill the Bill” suggest that you are all a bunch of killers and want to be killers. You love death and destruction that the Republicans gave you in Iraq.

          • JeffH

            Just shut your trap eyes with the size 15EEEE jammed where the sun don’t shine in your mouth.

    • John

      I want to see Obama force all these punk gangbangers buy health insurance. LMFAO You Progressives have it all figured out.

      • Palin12

        LMAO you got that right!

  • Bob J

    All of you are a bunch oh hypocrites, bigits, and racists. No one has taken away your freedom. The evidence is your ability to still spew out all this BS! Is anyone stopping that?

    • momof4

      Bob, no, they haven’t take away our freedom to express ourselves yet,
      That will most likely be the next to go. Thanks to Obama our country will never be the same and not for the better. And we our not racist, stop playing the race card it is getting old.

    • JeffH

      Bob J, stop with your BJ’s and liberal smack already. Yeah, this legislation will remove freedoms from every American.

  • Victor Barney

    It’s called a MARXIST(ANTI-MESSIAH) TAKEOVER! If Karl Marx said that Marxism was anti-messiah, I’ll take his word for it because he said that it was and that it also was right speak out of both sides of your mouth to get the Marxist takeover of the world complete! The Anti-Messiah, Karl Marx should know what he created, shouldn’t he?

  • http://gmail Raindancer

    Setti, what are do you havre to disagree with, so who is brain washed, ALL and I mean All dems and liberial are brain dead and brainless on what has happened. Quit being so cavionous on your thinking!!

    • Setti

      I’m not the one who is brain washed into beleiving in death camps and the end of America.I beleive in America and the idea that America is a great place to live. I do not believe in everthing included in the healthcare bill, but also know that it is not yet law. It’s amazing how the republicans have brain washed the simple minded people into beleiving things like Sarah Palin is smart. and Obama is was born in Kenya and wants to destroy America. Why would he want to destroy America? What does he have to gain from it? He will no longer be President in 3 or 7 years so whats the point? The republicans want to take control back plain and simple. The have to make Obama and the Democrats look really bad so that more Republicans get elected. In reality we need to get rid of every single congress person, Republican Democrat , and indipendant if you truely want to stop the power grab. For 8 years congress let my bush and cheney do what the want. Look where that got us. 2 wars, thousands of inocent people killed and thousands of our brave young men and women killed or wounded for life. We spent billions of dollars on wars as our people drowned in New Orleans because the Republican lead government didn’t want to spend the money to rebuild levies they knew were inferor. I’m not brain washed at all, I’m reasonable and can think forself. I don’t need Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity telling me how I should be thinking.

      • Joe H.

        Setti,
        i don’t need them to make up my mind either as I just listen to my ears when Obummer speaks!! he talks and lies get told!!! He gets asked a question and the lies just naturally spew forth!!

        • Setti

          How do you now he is lieing? You must know the truth, but where did you learn the truth? Had to come from someplace.

          • TIME

            Duh, Setti, Where is it your truth comes from Bubba?

      • JeffH

        Hi Eyes Wide Shut. Will you never stop trying to fool the masses. Get your size 15 EEEE out of your mouth!

  • A. R. Martin

    Since our political leaders would not listen to our voices and the November elections will probably be too late and/or worse there will be so many on all the government welfare and Obamacare that they will still defeat the conservatives in elections, we need to SAVE OUR COUNTRY by SENDING OUR FEDERAL TAX DOLLARS TO OUR STATE GOVERNMENTS INSTEAD OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. This would allow our States to get out of debt and would probably cause people of like causes to unite because democrat states run by democrat governors would probably not go along with what Sheriff Richard Mack states in his book, “America’s Last Hope, The County Sheriff” that the County Sheriff is not bound by the Federal Government but rather he is there to protect the citizens…from the Feds if necessary. The only way we can save our country is by keeping our money from the Federal Government. If we put it in the hands of the State Government this brings sovereignty back to the States and the State Government can then decide how much of our Federal Dollars they will send back to the Federal Government. It’s the only way to keep the Federal Government from ruining this country any more than it already has. This administration will stop at nothing to get what it wants….you can be certain of that!!!

    • Setti

      What does the Adminastration want and why?

      • Joe H.

        you just proved you are a product of the public school system. stop trying to spell big words like Administration!!!!

        • Setti

          Typical response. You can’t answer the question. You just repeat things that you’ve heard. Just like a chatty Kathy doll. Just keep saying the same lines over and over. This Adminastration will stop at nothing to get what it wants. However you have no clue what it wants do you?
          I think it wants to save lives. Something the Killer War Hungry Republicans know nothing about.

          • TIME

            Setti, If you wen’t quite so funny you might be a total joke, oh wait you are a total joke.

            I know what I want is for you to grow up, lets see;
            Civil war due to Democrats that wanted slaves, duh.
            WWI old Woody W Dem,
            WWII Frankie R, Dem,
            Korea, who was that again? Dem,
            Nam, John K Dem,

            Why let facts get in the way. So whats your point again?

  • Setti

    Poll: Majority oppose health bill, still trust Dems and Obama
    By Eric Zimmermann – 03/22/10 12:29 PM ET
    A majority of Americans oppose the health bill passed by Congress but still trust Democrats and President Obama more than Republicans when it comes to healthcare reform, a new CNN poll finds.

    Fifty-nine percent of respondents say they oppose the bill passed by Congress. (The poll was conducted before last night’s passage). Thirty-nine percent favor the bill.

    It should be noted, however, that of the 59% who oppose the bill, 13% do so because it’s “not liberal enough.” So a majority of respondents (52%) either support the bill or want Democrats to do more.

    President Obama still holds an advantage over Republicans. Just about half of respondents–51%–say they trust the president on healthcare, compared to 39% who say the same of the GOP. Congressional Democrats also lead Republicans on the issue, by a margin of 45% to 29%.

  • remmy

    I have two words for all of you right wing crying baby, HEALTHCARE PASSED.

    • momof4

      Remmy,
      Three words for you. Kiss my #*%

      • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

        NICE ONE, MOM0F4!—LMAO

        • momof4

          Angel,
          I know I should not of said that, but I am so crabby today.

          • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

            AT’S OK, THE LIBS CAN TAKE IT!__LOL

          • Joe H.

            angel,
            At least they deserve to take it!!! I hope somebody dumps a load of donkey manure in their fron yard. Better still would be the shack they live in!!!

    • JeffH

      Tag, you’re it…in two words…bite me…

    • LIBERALS ARE IGNORANT

      What’s a remmy?

  • michael

    The more conservative rants I read on this page makes me wonder how sick some of you really are. You would rather let people die than have healthcare reform, some of you use racist terms like Ahbib, Some of you are homophobic and most of you are paranoid. you people are sick and disgusting just like those members of the tea party that belittled the man with parkinsons and yelled racist and homophobic hate speech at our congressman. I hope maybe someday you can get the mental help you need or just do us all the decency of dying out.

    • Setti

      Don’t beso hard on them. They don’t have the mental ability to deal with reality. The only know what there leaders, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Livingston tell them. They will not look up the Bill that was passed to actually see what is it. Glenn Beck calls Obama a racist and communist so in their simple little minds it must be true. They are too dumb to realize they are being used by the republican party only to get the republican party back in control of congress. It’s all pretty simple. The republicans have nothing to stand on. Bush ruined the party, the only thing the few last remaining ones can do is try to make Democrats look even worse and Obama a communist. If healthcare gets signed into law and actually works and people like it like the do medicare and social security the republicans won’t have a chance until 2016. Pretty simple lodgic when you have a brain that can figure things out.

      • TIME

        Setti,
        It would seem you have lacking mental recourses that far exceed anything posted here by anyone. But I digress.

      • JeffH

        Setti it’s time to get out of beddie and get reddie to earn some confettie. Oops! Sorry, you work for the government, ay?

        • Joe H.

          JeffH,
          setti works on one of those “shovel ready” projects Obummer came up with. Following the donkey “shoveling” all that bull it spreads!! the funny thing? they convinced him it’s valuable!!!

          • Setti

            And where do you work Joe? What is your profession?

          • JeffH

            Joe H., with questions like that, confetti setti is starting to sound oh so familiar. Keep your “eyes open”, if you read between the lines.

          • JeffH

            When the Bush and Republican mantra showed up, the obvious also arrived. Must have a size 15 EEEE dangling from those cold, hard lips.

    • TIME

      Michael, You show your complete and total lacking of any common sense.

      On that note a few facts for you; If YOU walk into a Emergency room, or your wheeled in. They can’t deny you care, that the LAW.
      Do you understand that, is it simple enough for you to grasp?

      Thats why most hospitials run in the {red} every year as in loose money. As in many countless millions that are never paid to them for services rendered.

      Do you work for FREE michael? I don’t think so.

      But hey why let the facts get in your way when you can make outright inherently ignorant statments over and over again like every post you make.
      Man your a real brain trust.

      • Setti

        And do you realize that if you and I are both rolled into a hospital and I have insurance and you don’t that my insurance is going to cover some of your cost. That’s one reason Insurance is so high. Who do you think pays for people without insurance? The hospitals don’t work for free my friend.In fact where I live they are making tons of money always building new wings and adding new equipment. They don’t do that if they lose money. Get with the program.
        What if you get cancer, lose your job and lose your insurance? Next time you go for insurance they say NO to you because you have cancer, a pre existing condition. Bet you would run to the government and cry foul!

        • TIME

          Setti,
          Yet again your ignorance is showing.

          They, as in Hospitals build wings from “Grants donated by 501 C 3,” Charitys as well persons who gift money to them, as I said your a 100% total POSER.

          Why don’t you “POSERS” all get a bloody life rather than live in your bedrooms at home with your MOMMIES.

        • John

          Social Security, government mandated program $27,000,000,000,000 in un-funded liabilities. BROKE. Medicare, government mandated program, $17,000,000,000,000 in un-funded liabilities. BROKE, and we are expected to believe ObamaCare is the answer. U.S.A BROKE.

          • TIME

            John,
            Great points, thats for the add on. You for got the Post Office, how far in the RED are they?
            Let alone Medicaid?
            Or how about the great VA Hospitals that are brave Vets have to suffer, in many cases far worse than the battles they were hurt in.

            Big Government fails all the time, My God people look at China even today, they grasped the fact that as they sat at the brink of failure what did they grab, OUR SYSTEM!

            How bloody stupid can you that argue that Marxist ideas are good.

      • Tammy

        You just made the case for health care reform. The hospitals will now get paid for everyone that comes in and thus lowering the over cost of healthcare for all. I couldn’t have made the case any better.

        Thank you my fellow liberal.

        • TIME

          Tammy, No, not quite but dream on.

          The Hospitals will still not get paid for the ones who can’t pay.
          And guess what many of these will close for two reasons.
          One lacking Doc’s to work at them, after all would you want to work 18 hour days for 5 days straight, plus have a two hundred thousand plus dollar school loan to pay back.
          Then after working for 18 hour long days for three years get paid less than what a truck driver with a GED that works for the New York Times who works just 5 hours per day. No, I don’t think so.

          The other Hospitals will just close the doors due to lacking grant and gift money, one reason is Chrities that granted and gifted money will stop, why?
          The Government is not a; {501 C 3 Not for profit.}

          Its a no win deal so don’t try and spin it as a good thing, its not and will never be.

          But I do have great hope that the blantant acts of Political Corruption displayed over the last number of months will WAKE UP many many millions more of Americans that have been on the fence resting.

        • Joe H.

          tammy,
          you are deluded. When Obummer gets throughthere will be a one payor system in place!!! he even said that yesterday tha they are one step closer to a one payor system. now look at medicare. the mayo clinic has announced they will not see medicare patients after the first of the year as the government doesn’t pay enough to even cover overhead let alone the medical costs!!! now this is the same government that YOU say will make it better for the hospitals??? all you have done by this option is forestalled the enevitable end by a few years at best!!! before this plan even goes into operation, which will be four years,by the way, obummer will have already made his move to pass a one payor system and medicare will be broke, dead broke and gone!!

    • momof4

      Hey Mikey,
      SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE YOU ARE GETTING ON MY LAST NERVE!!!!!!

      • Palin12

        easy there mom, remember, Mikey’s from california.

        • michael

          Actually if you must know I am from Tennessee. yes we liberals live here too.

          • Palin12

            OK but there’s another michael that posts here from california. So tell me about that nice home Al Gore owns. They say his electric bill is as high as 20 of his neighbors combined.

    • LIBERALS ARE IGNORANT

      How’s your new girlfriend Setti working out for you Michael?
      You two seem to be getting pretty close.

  • http://free2b L Ferguson

    To American Liberal, don’t watch TV at all. Go to the Internet. The Government hasn’t gotten control of that yet. Did you know that everything you see go out on Tv about the White House has to be screened by the White House Press Secretary? And if a reporter does a story without approval, their career is over, just ask Connie Chung. But guess what? We may not have internet freedom much longer. It’s on the agenda, along with Cap and Tax, Real, ID, Fair Tax Act, Gun Control,more powers for the Federal Reserve etc…….Conservatives weren’t just sitting quietly while George W. forced that monstrocity of a bill called the Patriot Act on us. I personally voted to have him impeached. We have what is called a Shadow Government in place in Washington. Look it up on the internet, If you don’t understand how we’ve become manipulated by the Banksters on the Federal Reserve you should start there. Follow the money. There is a very good Documentary Film called The Money Masters. It explains alot. And should be watched by any freedom loving American.
    I find it very interesting that George W. got us into another senseless war under false pretences. If Usama Bin Laden was responsible for the World Trade Center on 9-11, and I don’t believe the Governments story for one minute, why hasn’t he been charged? Look at the FBIs top ten most wanted. He’s wanted for Murder of US Nationals OUTSIDE of the United States. And under the heading CAUTION, Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the Aug. 7th 1998 bombings of the US Embassys in Dar Es Salaam, Tanzania, Nairobi and Kenya. Why is there no mention that he is wanted in connection with the attack on the WTC? Pretty unbelievable considering that we went to war over Bin Laden. It may seem that all of this has nothing to do with health care? But the common denominator is control by the Government. And its going to get worse if we as a people don’t stand up together and stop them. Stand up on two feet or get down of all four. I think we need to be very careful who we elect as Govenors in each of our States. If they keep selling out to the Federal Government we won’t have any rights at all. If you want the Government telling you how to live, do nothing. They will watch over you. Literally!

    • pete

      All makes sense. While everyone is playing party politics with healthcare, gay rights and abortion people are taking over and no one even knows it’s going on.

  • Jim H.

    3-21 2010, a date that shall live in INFIRMARY.

  • Dr.mark

    Bob Livingston is an ultra-conservative
    It said it all
    You Are an Idologue, but not a People thinker.
    Your concern is to acheive your ideology, no matter what is the concequences on people’s life.
    We care about People Life, and People Win last night
    Just like your Opposition to SS anmd Medicare….But you are Enjoying them both.
    To be true to your Ultra Conservative Ideology You and the rest of you MUST bail out of them both

    • Jim H.

      Hi Doc. Talk about focusing on an ideology and not worrying about the consequence. Obama was so focused on getting a health care package through he didn’t care about WE THE PEOPLE, just shoving his ideology down our throats. WE THE PEOPLE lost last night.

    • JeffH

      Doc, would you be related to a Dr.Josef Mengele by any chance? You certainly show signs of a relationship to him.

  • Warrior

    The Republic is under attack. It is time for freedom loving people to get rid of these communists. See you in November.

    • Warrior

      Oh and let’s not forget this piece of work Alcee Hastings -

      The real principles of the machine were articulated by Democratic Congressman Alcee Hastings who was impeached and removed from the bench as a federal judge, before being elected to the House when he said “There ain’t no rules here, we’re trying to accomplish something…All this talk about rules…When the deal goes down…we make ‘em up as we go along.”

      It is hard for the American people to believe their leaders on the Left are this bad. They are.

      • JeffH

        A real piece of work by a trustworthy government.

  • American liberal

    Not 1 of you rightwing America haters, anti goverment goons has been able to tell me 1 right Obama took from you since he became president….. Not 1 of you has been able to tell me 1 good thing the Republican party has ever done for the American people….. And what will you impeach the President on? What charge? Giving the uninsured healthcare? You people are the bottom feeders of America , the most ignorant..Obama was elected to give is all healthcare…. He ran on it…. So what’s the treason charge?… The real fact is you tea baggers are nothing but ignorant Racist….

    • michael

      I agree. Everyone of us that voted for the president knew he wanted health care reform. The president gave us what he said he was going to. no law against that

    • Jim H.

      The right to a representitive government, It might not be directly Obama, but Pelosi and a little over half of the House of Representitives? showed little reguard for the will of the people. When Obama campaigned on health care reform I don’t believe the people had what is in this bill in mind, I don’t think the concept of reform was the issue, it was what is in THIS bill, people don’t like.

      • michael

        Your right we did not quite have this in mind, most of us who supported him wanted universal healthcare like all the other great countries have. but at least this is a start.

        • Jim H.

          It left the starting line going in the wrong direction. Your right it’s just the beginning(Beginning of the end).

    • Jim H.

      American? liberal, Your term right wing America hater, is way out of line, we love our country. To say we are anti-government isn’t true we support a responsible, not so intrusive government, not what it has turned into. If you were paying attention you would know that.

      • JeffH

        Jim H., this is what hacks like AmLib do and who they are. They’re simply a flea on the azz, a nuisance, that will eventually be squashed.

      • Joe H.

        Jim H.
        i believe Mark Twain said it best when he said “always respect your country and your government when they EARN it!!!”

        • Jim H.

          Joe, OL Mark knew his stuff.

    • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

      AM, THE ONLY THING I READ OF YOU DOING ON HERE IS ASKING QUESTIONS AND STIRRING UP TROUBLE, SHOW ME THIS?__TELL ME THAT?__IF YOUR THAT ILL-INFORMED, THERE’S BOOKS FOR YOUR QUESTIONS__PICK UP A BOOK AND READ IT, SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR__YOU MAY EVEN LEARN SOMETHING!

      • Jana

        Oh angel, you are asking way too much of AM. His little brain couldn’t possibly handle that much information or truth.

  • American liberal

    Warrior… Name the Rule that was broken?… What’s your impeacment charge?… Where’s the treason?.. name the broken law ?…

  • American liberal

    Your hero Sarah Palin wants 1 million dollars an episode for the ” reality show” she wants….. Did she make suckers out of you ignorant fools or what?….did you hear Sean Hannitys is been accused of stealing from children who’s fathers died in the war on terrorism….that’s right… Putting on concerts then stealing the profits…..and flying his family around the country on gulfstream jets … Didn’t he make a big deal of Nancy Pelosi using jets to fly from San Francisco to Washington at tax payer expence?.. Just like the republican speaker of the house did!

    • JeffH

      American liberal-just more propaganda huh!

      Cloward-Piven Strategy
      http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=862

    • Palin12

      It’s not just the jets…it’s also the $100,000 bar tab paid for by us taxpayers….$100,000 worth of booze in 2 years? I couldn’t drink that much in a lifetime! Look at her ugly face, can’t you tell she’s an alcoholic?

  • Normal Guy

    Health care has passed so all the rhetoric spewing right wing dopes on this site can now see that their end of the world chicken little scenarios are just so much garbage.

    The reality is that the costs are already in the system, doctors are obligated under the Hippocratic oath to treat the ill. They are morally obligated to give care – the problem is that the care that they are providing has always been an added cost to those that are insured, and to those uninsured who pay their bills.

    American’s are now going to all share the burden and that will make it lighter for everyone. Good ongoing care will reduce the severity of the conditions they see from those that are the least fortunate in society and on top of that the threat of financial ruin for those unfortunate enough to lose or be denied coverage because of illness will be removed.

    You people need to stop listening to the right wing entertainment whores, Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, Colter and there support demons, and actually use your withering grey matter. People do have a right to healthcare; the Hippocratic Oath requires it, just like they have the right to an attorney if they are charged with a crime. Society has decided that there are basic human rights, doctors must treat the sick – period.

    When this legislation starts to impact regular American’s all the paranoid drivel will dissolve and Americans will see what scaremongers the right wing morons are. Health coverage for all American’s paid by all Americans, so no more bankruptcies from health expenses, no more lack of regular checkups, no more dying from simple problems that could have been diagnosed easily earlier on and most important – a much more civil society.

    This is not the end of America, it is an extension of the American dream that has be growing and evolving since this countries inception. Change is inevitable and adapting to the world is required. If great nations don’t grow and adapt they fail, this is a great day for America.

    • Tammy

      You’re speaking to people wh refuse to hear and refuse to see it for the simple matter it is. They are so self centered that they do not realize they are already paying the price for those that don’t have insurance. They feel they are better than others and don’t want everyone to be equal. They are playing to the elite’s form of population control. The weak and uninsured will die off, if we help them they will live. They can’t have that. Even more it’s republican scare tactics. Just like all the terror alerts we had for 8 years. Keep the people scared so they do what you say. That’s the Republican tatic for getting elected. They are scaring people into beleiving Obama is a communist and healthcare will end America only so the Republicans can get back in power and back to making war and killing young people.

      • JeffH

        Tammy the nut is outa the bag! yada yada yada…

      • JeffH

        Obama is a straight up Marxist idealog.
        Try looking at things from the Marxists’ point of view. The end-goal of Marxism is an idealized socialist society where “the people” — that is, a Marxist totalitarian state — own all means of production. Anything leading toward that is progress. Anything else is reaction, racism, or worse. Keep that in mind.

        Marxists sneer at the idea of ends not justifying means as bourgeois sentimentality. In their book, when the goal is Marxism anything is justified.

        Getting better is defined as getting closer to the Marxist goal. What is harmful to capitalism and its hand-maiden democracy, is good, to be welcomed and abetted — not as an end in itself, but as a transitional means to the greater end.

        If the ideal Marxist society is the historically inevitable end-result of the clash between capitalism and socialism, then any effective means — even a modest beginning — is inevitable, and, thus, justifiably of the greatest good. Thus, one step toward socialized medicine beats no steps at all. Under Marxist dogma the final steps will follow, for they must, as the camel follows its nose into the tent.
        Obama’s leftist fantasy world makes no common sense. But if you understand what Marxism is and how it works — who’s helping it along these days — it is all very understandable. Palin has it dead right: It is evil.

        • JeffH
          • Setti

            Hey! Newsmax! There’s a good nonpartisin news sourse.

          • JeffH

            Setti, you’ve got drool on you chin from the slop you feed on in the barnyard troughs.

        • Normal Guy

          Nice Rant Jeefy

          The only problem is that this has nothing to do with Marxism you paranoid dope.

          This is about health care as I have said again and again it is about covering the already existing cost of providing medical care to those that can’t afford it.

          The doctors are obligated to provide care, they take an oath, creating a system that pays for the cost and improves the service while lowering the cost associated with emergency care for long untreated conditions makes sense.

          You should hop in a time machine and join the paranoids from the fifties cheering on Jeseph McCarthy and the communist witch

          • JeffH

            AbNormal Guy, paranoid? Not at all. I call it as it is. This is just the first phase of a carefully planned agenda. Obama and Pelosi are just the delivery people. Call it what you want, I call it as I see it, and I don’t need Beck, Limbaugh or Hannity to point it out for me because I have done my own extensive research and come to my own conclusions.

          • JeffH

            Sticks and stones my little liberal hack, means nothing!

    • Joe H.

      normal(?) guy,
      you are maybe half right, they are required to treat,but only if they are practicing!!! nearly 40% of the practicing Dr.s and specialists have said they will retire, quit practicing, or move to another country to practice if this passed and if upheld. We will see how good your care will be with 40% less Dr.s and 25% more patients or more!!!

      • Normal Guy

        Joe H.

        What a ridiculous statement. As I said the reality is that they are already treating these people the oath that they take requires that they treat the sick. Believe iut or not some people want to practice medicine to help people, it is not just about money.

        If you really think that they are going to retire you haven’t got a clue. Doctors will continue to make a great living and people with money will continue to pay for services that are beyond the basics.

        This bill is a good starting point, Americans can now spread the costs of treating the uninsured and poor across the entire population, there is no question that the emergency room treatment that is currently offered is expensive, there is no question that the cost of insurance is rising dramatrically, there is no question that the advances in technology are driving costs higher and that drugs are ridiculously expensive. If people don’t get insurance and the cost of treating those that become ill falls on those that do pay for service it will just continue to get more expensive. Like I said this is a good starting point.

        • JeffH

          An IBD/TIPP poll found the following:

          – 45% of doctors polled said they would consider leaving their practice or retiring early if the proposed health care bill was to pass

          – 65% or 2 out of 3 practicing physicians polled say they oppose the plan

          – 72% of doctors polled disagree with the administration’s claim that the government can cover 47 million more Americans with better quality care and at a lower cost

          http://health.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/09/16/45-of-doctors-oppose-proposed-health-care-bill/

          • Normal Guy

            Jeffy

            Not so says New England Journal of Medicine

            http://healthcarereform.nejm.org/?p=1790

            Most doctors support the idea of expanded health care, in fact this option does not go far enough for many.

            Cherry picked data from IBD/TIPP – (The Investor’s Business Daily (IBD) TechnoMetrica Institute of Policy and Politics (TIPP)) is really skewed. Data needs to be evaluated based on its bias generally Fox News – not to credible.

          • JeffH

            Normal one, It just boils down to who you trust and who you believe doesn’t it?
            The proof will be in the pudding so to speak.

      • michael

        They may quit, but then what will they do? they can retire so beit. This moving to another country where? most of the industrialized countries already have universal healthcare so they won’t be gaining anything.

  • Tammy

    I’m glad to hear all of you freedom fighters are ready and willing to stand up for your freedom. It has been far to long that Americans freedoms have been disapearing. I lost my freedom to get an abortion when I was raped because I couldn’t afford to go to NJ to get one. tha closet place to get an abortion. I lost my freedom to marry my life long samesex partner. I lost my freedom to have her covered under my health insurance plan. I lost my freedom to carry my bottle of Iced Tea onto an airplane. I lost my freedom to buy a new car because the factory I worked in closed and went to China, Now I work for $5 an hour and can’t afford better transportation. My son lost his freedom to carry his pocket knife to school.
    Think of those Tea Party rallies you see. Are these really the people you want running the country? They are not fighting for universal freedom, they are fighting to have things their and their way only. Don’t be fooled. Just who really wants to take your freedoms away?

  • eddie47d

    The majority of Americans wanted Healthcare Reform and 46% to 45% wanted Obama’s plan. That is a slim margin but still a majority. There are no real Death Camps in America that has been debunked over a year ago. That rumor was started by a Militia member quite some time ago. Our founding fathers would be appalled how we pick and choose who a good protester is and who the riot police come after. I guess it’s a matter of which political party is in power or who has the loudest voice. I fear right-wing extremists (klan,militias,ect.) far more than anything that Obama has to say. There are liberal groups like Acorn that failed and parts of that group has been forced into bankruptcy. Their foolishness is a lesson learned by both sides. The Right and Left in America both were angered by the Iranian Government’s crackdown on protesters. Yet during the 60′s-70′s there was alot of protesting in America. Conservatives from both parties denounced them. When there was a death of a protester the conservatives cheered and demanded more. They blamed the protesters as being communist agitators ( which they weren’t ). In Iran their conservatives blamed American agitators ( which wasn’t true either). So do conservatives stand up for free speech and dissent or is it just selective free speech? Does the left in America believe in the same thing? Are you just puppets of Hugo Chavez who closed down opposition tv and radio? I want both sides to have their say without all the witch hunting. Nasty lies defeat all the issues.

  • JohnM

    Isn’t there such a thing as a recall petition for US senators not up for re-election this year? If so, why not make all senators who voted for Obamacare face an election? Just a thought.

    • Tammy

      What if they win?

  • Chris

    Norm & AM Liberal. WAKE UP!!!! I started reading this blog about 6 months ago, you need to take the blinders off. This is not a issue about Demacrats OR Republicans this is about one world order, George Bush senior was quoted 150 plus times saying this in public speeches. This bill is all about the destruction of our constitution, the IRS just got larger & more powerful, you have no rights to privacy anymore, the goverment now can become the largest information gathering machine in the world, Between the Patriot act & this bill, say good bye to privacy forever. This has been going on for many years, 1913 is when the Federal Reserve act was passed. The Bilderburgs have been meeting since the 1950′s & every year since to come together on how to destroy our Democracy, all the wars since that time have been in 3rd world countries, not in Europe where the main bunch of these power hungry idiots live. War is for the Bankers!!!This is about making the United States a 3rd world country!!! Full of slave labor, That is why they have opened the borders for the illegal immagrants, Examples Patriot Act, Bush JR. NAFTA the Clintons, & Waco, & Oklahoma Bombing, Iran Contra affair Bush Senior, with the help of the Clintons, then Governor of Arkansaw, Bush JR allowed 911 to happen, again the Patriot act was passed weeks later, amazing that this was already wrote by attorney general Gonzalez, another law passed with out being read. Can anybody on this site explain how WTC tower # 7 imploded on itself when it was not even hit by a plane? Ruby Ridge? just more “Conditioning” for the American People. The UN on our soil makes me sick, The UN has always had a Communist in charge!!! Although the US Tax Payer has always paid the lions share, Mr. Obumma & Giether have already said that they would be interested in a new form of money for the entire North America & South America, Like the EURO, Ask Greece how well that is working for them. The Rich & powerful met last week in Europe again to discuss this new currency!! Unless the people wake up & vote for people like RON PAUL, who has a proven record for what the constitution stands for we are in DEEP SH****!!!!. Then the people must vote for a new congress & Senate to back the President. Note I am happy to see all the people that have “WOKE UP” that are on this blog. Note a gentelman called James Tucker has been to the Bilderbergs meetings for the last 25 plus years & has wrote a book about this massive power grab that has been going on for the last century.The International Monetary Fund, Council on Foreign Relations, are 2 other enties created by the power hungry people that the US does participate in.

    • Normal Guy

      You need to look up the terms paranoid and delusional and find a good psychologist to have a chat with. The things that you believe in, that I am sure you have no firsthand experience of, just internet conspiracy sites.

      Really you should seek some help; the stuff you believe in is laughable, you really believing it is a sign of mental problems.

      • Jim H.

        Normal Guy, (march 23 8:40 pm) So you are OK with the less taxes, better stewardship of OUR tax dollars, balanced budget and less intrusive government? The term STILL is party, not bag.

        • Normal Guy

          Jim

          So you think that these simple ideas are the key to the TEABAG movement, care to show me where this is articulated because the sites that I go to go on about socialism, that the stimulus and bailout are the ultimate evil – that all American freedoms are being lost – apparently you folks think that the economy would not have spiralled down that everything would just be peachy as long as we lowered taxes and allowed the freehand to take over?

          Think again – these poor sheep have been mustered by the media whores on Fox etc and are being manipulated. They are being wound up like the pawns of every distorted political vision and are taking simplistic and unrealistic ideas and promoting them as solutions.

          Interesting that the call from the extreme right is to throw rocks through the windows of all the democratic offices – kristallnacht ring any bells. If the movement was not based on hate and fear if it was about simple restraint in government this would not be an issue.

          • Jim H.

            Normal Guy, What I know is the news people find the most extreme group of people to interview and shoot footage of. A peaceful demonstration staged by rational people doesn’t sell news. Don’t base your view of the main body of this group by the few shown on the news, they don’t represent the majority. Some morons broke some windows, they don’t represent all of the rest of us. To compare a few broken windows to the Nazi “kristallnacht” is a little carried away don’t you think? A large portion of these people are inteligent enough to think for themselves and just weren’t just”hoodwinked” by that “evil” Fox News. Some of the conservative representatives had damage done to their offices for voting against the bill, but that wouldn’t have been reported by the fair and balanced MSNBC. The term STILL is party not bag. Using that term just lowers yourself to the level you accuse us of being at.

    • American liberal

      Chris… I agree with a lot you posted….but right now it’s very important to keep these rightwingers out… They’re the ones who drove this economy into the ditch and while I don’t agree with a large portion of the democrat agenda the rightwing republican brand of politics is far more dangerous and distructive…. I’d vote 3rd party if they ever had a candidate that wasn’t just flatout crazy… Right now loons like Sarah ” Hollywood” Palin and idiots like Michelle Bachman are representing the 3rd party people and they’re just republicans in disguise…..and the tea baggers are just ignorant Racist and scum…We all saw how the tea baggers treated the man at their rally the otherday… The man with parkinson disease… That’s no way to treat any humanbeing , especially over politics… The baggers are human trash… We also heard yesterday the racial names and homophobic names the tea baggers used aginst the democratic members of congress…these tea baggers are the lowest most vile vermin in the human race, in fact I’m ashamed the baggers are human and I’m ashamed they reside in America….. You can bet were gonna show those news clips over and over of those tea baggers taunting and throwing dollar bills at a defenseless humanbeing who’s only crime was needing healthcare …

      • Jim H.

        American? liberal, I read you calling people who attend TEA party’s a of many names and question their intelligence, but I never read any kind of rebuttal to disprove their views. What they stand for is lower taxes,more efficient use of our taxes, a balanced budget and a less intrusive government. What part of this is wrong and why? Are you for higher taxes? If so the IRS will take your check for the amount you think you still owe. Do you want the tax money to just be squandered? You should be happy now. We haven’t had it for over a century, but what’s wrong with a balanced budget? If you want more Government control, last night should tickle you to death. By the way the term is TEA party not bag.

        • Joe H.

          Jim H,
          thank you I was just about to remind him the only TEAbagger I knew of was him. i’m not as politely minded as you I guess!!

          • Normal Guy

            I think that teabaggers is the appropriate term for the narrowminded nose up Glenn Beck – media whore sheep. You know all the paranoids, that post on right wing fear sites. The generally uniformed reactionary dopes, socialist fearing chicken littles.

            Yep perhaps Glennbaggers, Rushbaggers, Hannitybaggers – as a group just Teabaggers. The fear sheep that are ready to get sheared by the right wing opportunists.

          • JeffH

            Lest we forget, the Obaggers.

          • JeffH

            Normal Guy, I guess that you would be considered the pentultimate liberal O’whore. I bet you have to order you “Tampax for Men” online, delivered to you in a plain wrapper to avoid the embarrasment you must feel. Do they really protect you in an emergency? Bet they don’t stop your liberal stentch though, do they?

          • Normal Guy

            Well jeffy

            You just run around with your tin hat spewing – the world is coming to an end – Healthcare is the gateway drug to communism. Everyone is threatened because of new world order, communist conspirators, Bilderbergers, Hamburglers. I am sure that you can just panic your little teabag right off.

            You are one pitiful fear filled little man, do you ever have a moment where anything other than paranoia and conspiracy rules your life?

            The psychiatric help you so desperately need will soon be within your reach. Later loser.

          • Jim H.

            Normal? Guy, I see name calling and ridicule but nothing that refutes where TEA party members stand on the issues. What don’t you agree with, the lower taxes, the wiser use of OUR tax dollars, the balanced budget, or the less intrusive government? Please enlighten me, I don’t understand the hate. I don’t believe what the TEA party stands for is unreasonable. It IS party not bag.

          • Normal Guy

            Well Joe

            Teabagger positions I disagree with:

            Packing firearms to public rallies and the events where the President is.

            Ridiculous statements comparing Obama to Hitler, Stalin etc

            The paranoia surrounding socialism, Marxism, really just the entire fear based paranoia that is entoirly counterproductive to any rational discourse

            The sheep like dedication to Fox News – especially to Glenn Beck and his illogical blackboard rants.

            The hatred for this great nation in the guise of fundamental patriotism – all the IRS hatred even though since 1913 the united states has lead the world and weather financial turmoil and Wars and still become the most prosperous nation in the world

            Ridiculous fantasy conspiracy theories that are laughable but now believed by many naive people that have poor reality filters

            The simplistic idea that “Libertarianism” is what we need to save us all – Look up the failure of libertarianism in Chile, New Zealand and Iceland. The belief that the unregulated free hand will not lead to abuse like the robber barons etc.

            The pure unadulterated ignorance of the entire movement actually – It is embarrassing that such stupidity is on display for the world to see.

          • Jana

            Abnormal guy,
            I have time to address only one of the really dumb comments you just made.
            No, we do not believe in taking guns or firearms to the Tea Parties. That is your Bill Ayers party mentality. You just wish we would so you could truly complain about it, but that just isn’t us. Been listening to more of your radical liberal lies. You need better sources.

          • Normal Guy

            Jana

            Here is a Wisconsin Tea Party with the right wing nuts packing guns.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0287gcVCCXA

        • Normal Guy

          Jana

          Right there are no guns at the Tea Party rallies.

          This video of Alamogordo Tea Party with most carring guns. Paranoia is all about fear – “Open threat – political power comes from the barrel of a gun” How do you feel about the 3 percenters? Just good Americans ready to perform terrorist acts right?

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqjVWifq4Kc

          • Jana

            ok Normal guy. I went to both sites. At neither one of these gatherings did they claim to be Tea Parties. The title on them said they were tea parties however, that does not make it so, as they can title it anything they want to claim.
            On both sites if you even bothered to watch them yourself, they were standing up for the Second Amendment. They brought and wore their guns openly to show that people could see (which obviously you are blind to) that people can carry a gun responsibly. By the way, it isn’t these people that you have to worry about because any of these people would die protecting YOU if you were around and happened to be attacked by a bad guy.
            You know its people like you who are afraid of their own shadow and are cowards, that have perverted what Liberalism really means.

          • Jana

            Oh yes, AbNormal guy,

            In case you didn’t comprehend the above,

            These were specific events to show support for our 2nd Amendment Rights.
            Again you blew something way out of proportion. You make it sound like at regular Tea Parties everyone carries a gun to threaten people.
            The more you talk or write, the less credibility you have.

  • momof4

    Tammy,
    I am sorry, sounds like you have had a hard time. I really hope things get better for you. But big government is not the answer.

    • Tammy

      I don’t want big government! I want my freedoms back. I want to be able to do what I want! I want my fredom. Isn’t that what everyone here is shouting? That means I’m free to do what I want even if you all don’t agree with it. Like my marry my lesbian girlfriend and and not have be told I can’t take my iced tea onto the plane.
      That’s Freedom for all.

      • Joe H.

        tammy6,
        no that so called ‘marriage you want is freedom for YOU!!!! f you want a “partnership’ or “agreement’ or what ever else I have no objections at all. just don’t call what you want a marriage!!

        • Tammy

          Oh, I see, you want freedom for yourself, but anyone with different lifestyle, traditions, and customs can not have the freedom to practice what they want. If that is the case are we truely a free Republic or are you actually requesting a police state? Why does my wanting to marry a same sex person affect you? Why does it hinder your rights as an American? I can never understand that. What’s the difference to you if I live with someone or have a peice of paper from the state saying we are married? It matters to me because if I’m married to someone I have the same legal rights as any spouse. But why do object to it. It’s freedom for you but only according to your rules. The only one that I must answer to about my relationship is my maker. You have no right to tell me who I can or can’t marry. You are just a scared selfish person and I truely feel sorry for you as the day you meet you’re maker you might just be surprised to see me standing next to him as you are banish from heaven for your selfish mean spirited words and actions.

  • American liberal

    That crazy fool from Colorado ” Trancredo” does have 1 idea I like….every person that votes should have to pass an IQ test…. That would keep all the Tea baggers from voting and most of the republicans and conservatives…… I’m suprised most of you can tie your shoes without instructions…

    • JeffH

      Am lib..as you can see, we really do appreciate you highly educated, over the top IQ types and what you people have done for this country. There just isn’t anything that you could say or do that would make any of us appreciate your kind words any more than we already do. Just like Obama and Pelosi, you know whats best for the vast moral majority of us undereducated rightwing nuts, or should I say American Patriots.
      Gotta go now, I have to puke!

      • American liberal

        Jeff, sorry to hear you’re ill … Now you can thank us liberals for healthcare …. And if your gonna puke watchout for your shoes…..

        • Joe H.

          JeffH,
          Yeah watch the shoes, AmADumbLib wants those too!!!

      • Norm

        JeffH
        Should have your stomach checked. You’ll have healthcare soon.

      • JeffH

        Not to worry, I’ve got health care and still have some choices. You two hacks are gonna need some help in the upcoming years though, unless you’re exempt.

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    Our only hope now is to get rid of as many democraps as possible, and to repeal this disastrous health/hellcare bill before it is fully implemented. On the bright side, the 2010 and 2012 elections are less than 8 and 32 months away, respectively. IT IS NOW CRITICAL THAT WE ALL GET TO THE POLLS IN THESE ELECTIONS!!!! We need to think of Donald Trump’s two famous words and send (most of) the Democraps a message in these two important elections……….”YOU’RE FIRED!!!!”

  • http://gmail Raindancer

    One thing the Republicans did for America, with the soca;istic dems fighting tooth and nail, was let the blacks vote and have rights. Rep. beleive in personal responsiblity and self relaince. Dems depend on the government and meedle in everything, with government appointed overeducated bumnling jackass in charge, who just goes to school, follows the govenment dreams and screw everything it touches.
    Talk about ignorant fools , the dems fought when the Rep. voted to let blacks vote and have rights. Dems always give the bull about concerns for middle class and the poor. Everyone of you dems show you are educated on the fact you could depend on your selves or that the love of big government destroys people. Since none of I doubt live on around a reservation, IHC is what you are going to get. You dumb stupid educated morons that defend the Indo-Kenyan British idoit that you smucks elected and defend, is proof you depend on government too damn much. Sarah Palin can live and provide for herself and family, Oidoit would know what to do if he had too feed himslf without a chef putting in front of him. Dems have always delt from the bootom of the the deck and are themost eleitist scum wheather in the EU or in the USA. Why you dems just admit the main reason dems of all colors cannot be happy unless some dip s–t is giving you ordors and lining out what yoou should in life and when to do it. Classic braindead dems , follow the leader, must have some German linage in background, love lockstep thinking. What has the New Deal, Social security, work program, welfare programs, Farm programs, school programs, and unions ever done that doesn’t increase costs and grow government, lower productivity and just make a mess or graft and corruption, that the dems don’t love and support?? We had dems in the American Revolution that loved and were giving shelter and comfort to the enemy in more ways than one, and they were eleitist than as they are now. Libs are a scourge on anything they get around or touch!!

    you lib

  • Sarah

    You are all so busy fighting you don’t even realize that the politicians are using you. The media has taken sides and is making you believe that only one side can be right. It’s all about power and which party has the power. Want to show the government who really has the power? Vote out ever incumbant there is this year. Forget parties forget conservitive and liberal. Vote against those there now. They are playing politics with our lives and money. Get rid of them all and do it again in 2012. Show them the people are in charge nt the parties.
    But I know most of you here are way too simple minded to do that. You’ll continue to vote for your party.

  • Paul

    The best thing the states can do is get together to repeal the 16th amendment. No more Federal Income Tax. No more IRS.

  • American liberal

    Rush Limbaugh swore he would leave America if Healthcare passed….. Said he would move to Costa Rica…..I’d be happy to help him move… Free of charge…..by the way, Costa Rica has goverment healthcare….

    • Norm

      American liberal
      It is impossible to believe anything Rush says, unfortunately. Ditto for Sean and Glenn.

    • momof4

      Lib,
      You got it wrong. What he said was he would go to Costa Rica for healthcare, he did not say anything about moving there. I should know I listen to him everyday. Long live Rush!!!!!!!!

      • momof4

        Lib kind of like how the Canadians come here when they want the best care. How sad, now where will they go?

        • michael

          You people keep saying canadians come here for healthcare an possibly some do, but how come all the canadian students that I have had and there has been a lot Go back to canadaif they get really sick because even with the cos of transportation it’s cheaper to do so. Explain that.

          • momof4

            Michael,
            Your full of crap!!!! (as usual)

          • Jana

            michael,
            We don’t know you, and if you Are telling the truth, you could know very few Canadians. Besides that, you said college students?
            Generally, a college student goes HOME when they are sick where their parents are so they can be taken care of, that’s why they go home! When my niece got sick in FL. she came back to TX. where her parents were. DUH.

  • Robert (Bob) Lee

    I keep telling people (I have been saying this for about 7 years now) that the so-called “Democratic Party” is a socialist oriented big government party, and the so-called “Republican Party” is a fascist oriented big government party. When will people finally start to listen????????? All each of them want is: Power, Money, and Control.

    Please folks, stop funneling your money to the people that are trying to enslave you. Instead, support with money, time, and your vote for either or both of the Libertarian Party and/or the Constitution Party if you value your freedom.

    Stop listening to all the “LIberal” vs “Conservative” crap the political parties and the news media chatter about. The REAL ISSUE is Big Centralized All Controlling Government (BOTH MAJOR POLITICAL PARTIES) vs your Constitutionally promised individual freedom.

    “Government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take it all away.” — paraphrasing Thomas Jefferson (Remember that guy that was one of the pests to the King of England over two hundred years ago????)

    Wake up people!!!!!! The Republican Party and the Democratic Party are in bed with one another whenever it servers THEIR interests!!!! Please, go to http://WWW.theAdvocates.org and take the quiz. You maybe surprised to find where your political views actually fall. I was!!!!!

    Please feel free to forward this to your friends.

  • Rob

    This is becoming a serious situation. The Democrats ignored a LARGE majority of citizens and imposed thier will, not ours.

    They must be removed ASAP. November 2010 at the latest.

    Republicans should NEVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! reach across the isle and work with them again. It does not matter anymore what they think or what is fair. [Offensive word removed] Them and their supporters. They are pathetic and disrespectful toward America. If I ever catch one on my property spewing B.S. to be elected I will personally remove them with my hands. They are not welcome on my property. This is out of hand. They wanna play, fine, GAME ON !

  • http://www.TheirSecrets.info Ted McMillan

    In all solutions so far, the common denominator is that if there is any financial trouble, the little guy has to pay for it despite the fact that financial catastrophes are ALWAYS caused by the big guys.

    Even since the days of George Bush Senior, it was made known to him that doctors salaries out-paced inflation 2 to 1. George Bush Senior gladly ignored those findings. This was that same George Bush Senior who fought against a raising of the long stagnant minimum wage, which was then just over $4 an hour. He said a raising of the minimum wage was “inflationary” and his showed such contempt for the motion that when the Democrats pushed the bill to his desk for signing, he didn’t even allow it to reach his desk. He pinned the document to his wall and vetoed it.

    It was that same George Bush who later consented to a pay hike for lawmakers, and we know their payhikes are far in exess of 25 cents an hour. He said that they worked hard and that they deserved it. This was after the infamous Savings and Loan crisis that also slipped right through these highly paid lawmakers noses.

    In today’s advancements of lies and tyranny, corrections in the financial acquirements of people who are deemed too big to fall will not be discussed. The very conditions and situations that existed during the French Revolution is being methodically encouraged. This is horrifying due to the massive construction of FEMA detention camps right while the same people urging this construction seem to have a terrible mandate to convince the American people that they should not be PARANOID. These camps were created, as stated, in the event of civil unrest and riots. These, coupled with all the laws that tell us, in the event of major crises, our national leaders become dictators and can own and control us any way they please, we should ask the question whether or not both GW Bush and his son, Barack Obama already knew in advance that their bad decisions were indeed bad. The physical evidence they know their decisions were for the destruction of America over the dead bodies of our soldiers is too clear. They made America to fund “WARS FOR OUR FREEDOMS” through the financing of a country that hates freedom, and Communist China is today what it is through the treasonous milking of America’s resources for her benefit over the span of decades.

  • http://www.TheirSecrets.info Ted McMillan

    The Republican and Democratic parties are all in treason, and that is also true of the independents. Just yesterday the Republicans were complaining about the Democrats deliberately ignoring the voice of the American people. REMEMBER THIS IS THE PREMISE THE FALSE WARS AND THE DEATHS OF OUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS IN THE MILITARY WERE ESTABLISHED UPON: THAT WORLD LEADERS MUST LISTEN TO THEIR PEOPLE and that through this security will be guaranteed upon the whole world. Did they die in vain?

    theirsecrets.info

    They died, not to defend our freedoms, BUT BECAUSE THEY WOULD DEFEND IT. Detention camp construction then grew and grew and grew while home-grown fascists dominate the internet to call anyone upset about these proceedings, “PARANOID.”

    Just a short time previous, the Republican constantly gave GW Bush a blank check and spat upon the American people and their disapproval of all the wars of treason and genocide. Their own sons and daughters were not dying in these false wars.

  • chuck b

    people were not watching the actual polls taken before the vote, i saw the one on fox that said 46% of the electorate were for obama care and 48% against, this is scary enough. yelling at the democrats is a waste of time, all concerned should take immediate action such as backing the tea party or any active conservative group that supports removing these politicians in power. my personal opinion is the republicans gave us pelosi,reid and doufus and i blame them, it was george bush who tried to appease the democrats and the rino repubs who allowed the demos to tie up the congress. we need, by vote or force, remove all these people from the government. at the same time we should remove their pensions and their bank accounts, they can live on social security and medicaid. i would send pelosi and reid to haiti for permanent retirement, maybe that would help pelosi get over her slave syndrome, also throw in doufus he would fit in well, “rice and beans” and a prayer rug.

  • Palin12

    November to Remember! No, Madame pelosi us dumb citizens will not forget!

  • http://gmail i41

    To stop Congressmen from becoming lobbyist. Each state should provide housing for their senator and representatives. After they are done and turned out, rhey have to return to their state. Cut the salaries and save taxpayers money and pay down the debt. Also they can not live in another state for the same amount of time as they have been in office.
    I notice I haven’t heard anything about Odumby and all the lies he has told after hearing about Bush’s. I realize dems have a genetic defect for memory lose and since the Renegare’s is elequent and says a lot of lies as truth, if his mouth is moving, he is reneganing on another promise. Wait for costs and taxes to go wild, and hyperinflation like Zimbobway and Germany has and had. Dems socalist heros all had the same problem with their countries money.

  • Chris

    Normal Guy, if your talking to me, I will let you know that I have not, & will not go to the internet for info about the info I supplied above, most of the talking heads, like beck,hannity, rush, are part of the problem, they refuse to use common sense, & look at the complete picture!!! I like this site because of the blogs, this site has renewed my faith in the conservative movement, Comments from you & a few others, just lets me know how good of a job at brain washing the “Normal Media” has done! There is a reason behind what is happening in the world today, This is not just a “Quirk” that we are witnessing today. I have been following this for 20 plus years, it scares me. I just like you said the same thing about conspiracy theory 20 years ago, when i was given hard books & magazines, & newspapers that discuss these issues with a open mind. I believe that your reply is one I would hear from one of the sheeple that these people depend to keep getting these elected officials elected!!! My dream is that the goverment becomes alot smaller, less intrusive, leave most decisions up to the states, Free markets. Support your self, I have been self employed most of my working life, I pay taxes!! But the one thing that makes me real mad is all these generations of people that have came to believe that the goverment owes them something, dont work, dont pay taxes, subsidies rent, & utilities,They even get tax checks back, & have not paid taxes?They have bred a nation of lazy slobs that live off my back!!! Then they breed the next generation of laziness, that dont think they need to participate in this thing I call life. I have never collected 1 cent of unemployment money, or any other goverment hand out,The only debt I have is my home! I almost paid it off a couple of years ago, but I had to borrow all the equity out of it to pay the IRS, because this economy has drained me!!! And a bussiness partner embezzled all the money out of our bussiness.I hate thiefs!I could have filed bankruptcy & been just fine, but no I rolled up my sleeves & worked 7 days a week to start again my own bussiness.Paid all my debt back within 5 years,& not seeing my family, no vacation, no fringes, almost caused me to get divorced, from my sweety of 25 plus years. These entitelment programs have drained me!!! We need jobs, NAFTA needs revoked, this mess is not going to get better until the people like you wake up, & go to the polls in masses & vote for the constitution!! Not for more of big brother!

  • http://toast.net louis

    It seems that Washington has displayed[lack of hearing] their true colors on sunday night, with no regard for the American tax payers. It seems that those in the house and senate are being lead down a apath of own distruction come this November. We will have to pay for this type of disregard of will of the people, those in government what to give us some type of mega type of health care for 30 million Americans to provide coverage for them. when they should be trying to find thier own solutions in their health care needs. When a person is self relilant then they can make the choices for thier own lives,[ freedom] NOT THE GOVERNMENT FOR THEM ! when a government takes away fron each person the need to make their own choices for their lives,then it makes each person to become dependent on the state to meet their needs. when the writers of our consitution wrote it, they want the main idea of freedom over what was in England at that time. the over controlling Kings and Queens of Europe wanting more power over their own people. now we have become so dependent on the way we live so much, that we just simply go along with it. an just put our heads back into the sand and keep on working if nothing has ever has happen. just the same old stuff in washington and at home, we become some what dull of hearing any type of warnings ahead.We should not be so dependent on the federal goverment to meet the needs for our lves, now the leaders in washington has in some way made about 30 million American’s dependent and some form of slavement to this new health care system. who controls the money and the power can control the people. some of us will be a slave either in paying for this health care system ,or we will have to to be into placed this system just not to go to jail for not signing up for it! OUR FREEDOMS ARE JUST A SOME THING THAT WASHINGTON MAY NOT REPECT ANY MORE, JUST THE THOUGHT OF POWER AND THE GREED OF MONEY!

  • Raggs

    I hope the sheeple in this blog have a spot picked out on thier hand forthe RFID chip.. for the rest of us load-um.

    • Joe H.

      Raggs,
      They will never mark me, I will die first!!! I am a Christian and I will never willingly permit that!!!

  • John

    Gosh what a bunch of hypocrites, Talking about Gods will and spewing hate the very next sentence.
    Maybe you believe in a different Jesus than the Bible depicts?

    This is What Jesus said about taking care of the underprivileged:

    On the last day, Jesus will say to those on His right hand, “Come, enter the Kingdom. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was sick and you visited me.” Then Jesus will turn to those on His left hand and say, “Depart from me because I was hungry and you did not feed me, I was thirsty and you did not give me to drink, I was sick and you did not visit me.” These will ask Him, “When did we see You hungry, or thirsty or sick and did not come to Your help?” And Jesus will answer them, “Whatever you neglected to do unto one of these least of these, you neglected to do unto Me!”

    Bless you all, I “hope” you can find some love and compassion in your life…..

    • Raggs

      Your misunderstanding something here.
      Who gave the government the legal right to demand anyone and everyone to purchase a product they have so clearly corrupted… This has nothing to do with Jesus and your out of line for mentioning / using his name in vain to benefit an idealogical belief.. Make no mistake this is absolutely not about health care soon will follow immigration reform. This is all about the government taking and taking… If you read the bible and you see what is going on you will know who obama is… He will force you to accept a national ID and scan your hand..You fool wake up.

    • Jim H.

      John, Jesus said, What ever you do to the least of my brother, you do to me. That is what charity’s are for. If you are forced to do it by taxation then it really isn’t doing something for your fellow man. The charity’s use the money more efficiently,having a large portion of money squandered away building a bureaucracy isn’t really doing Christs work is it?

    • Joe H.

      John,
      It is YOU who needs to study a little better. That was meant to give willingly as in charity, not as in the government takes and gives to someone else. If you think that on judgement day you can look at the Lord and say See all I gave through my taxes??? and it make a bit of difference you are very SADLY mistaken! YOU have to WILLINGLY take from your own pocket and give freely to have it mean anything!!!

    • momof4

      John,
      Thats right as Christians we are to feed the needy and help people.
      That is our job, not the governments. Don’t assume that we don’t help people. The differnce between you and me is I want to do it with my own money and you want to do it with other people’s money. Sorry my way is Biblical. Yours is not.

  • THE PATRIOT

    I’ve thought for the better part of twenty years that the time was ripe for the “PEOPLE” to take bagk, forcibly if necessary, the government from the politicians. We have thought that everyone else’s representative and senator should be ousted, but not our own/ All of our representatives voted against the healthcare bill, but they all still must go. Additionally, since lawyers are already members of the judiciary, how can they possibly be allowed to simultaneously serve in another branch of government?

  • http://windowslive.com C. Baumgardner

    Yeah,,, the chip wouldn’t be surprising under the circumstances. But I for one don’t intend to go down easy. I guess it comes down to when will the American people be riled enough to take action?
    Not just voting, but that’s a start… But I think it may have to come down to millions of irate Americans gathering around Washington D.C. with the sole purpose in mind to physically toss the rascals out . And hopefully influence a lot of them to leave our country. We know now the next step they’ll make is to give amnesty to the illegals thereby ensuring Obama gets a lot more votes in the next presidential election.. How would you like to see this monster get another term or more in office? Meaning; that no doubt they’d change the term of office too… Don’t look now guys , but our real enemies are from within and they are the ones who will ultimately destroy our way of life..That’s if we take it lying down. May God show us mercy and help us overcome…..

    • Raggs

      He is going to fast track immigration through… The ID chip will follow and by then the leaves will fall.

      • Tonnie

        I eard tha in 2011 everyone will start to get a chip inplanted in them with all there medical history on it so that when you go to doctor all they have to do is scan it. It will work anywhere in the world. I not going to let them put the chip in me tho. I will fight.

  • Mark

    Remove them from power. One shot at a time. If you are not ready to return fire, you will be dead. I choose to die for my freedom.

    • Normal Guy

      Good – shoot yourself and free us all!

      • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

        Where is Lee Harvey Oswald when we really need him?

        Oops, then Biden would be pres, so get him.

        Oops, then Palosi would be president and we’d have someone even worse than Obama.

        Sorry, that is not the cure….

        “I have met the enemy, and he is us.” – Pogo

        • John

          interesting – under Bush anyone talking like this would be locked up in Gitmo.

          • Jim H.

            John, Interesting a comment made by a liberal about Bush with NOTHING to back it up with. Bush has been gone for over a year now.Let’s get into the present.

          • John

            Jim I “WAS” a conservative until Bush lied us into a war, gave a no-bid contracts to a CONVICTED thief, Flew 12 Billion in CASH straight into the greedy out-stretched hands of the vice presidents ex-company. Gave a gay male prostitute full access to the White house – UNDER AN ASSUMED NAME. Not to mention that Bush and republicans DOUBLED the national debt, wire tapped its citizens and suspended habeas corpus

            Jim I am sure that if the only place you get your news is FOX, then you have never heard any of this. Do something patriotic and question everything you hear – regardless of where you hear it. I realize it takes a little effort to look things up but it is your patriotic duty.

          • Joe H.

            john,
            there was that and worse when Bush was in office. Remember the signs in DC that said kill Bush??? Remember the signs that called him Hitler:??? he was called murderer and worse and none of you ended up in GITMO!! go fly a kite and do something useful. At least useful for a liberal progressive scum!!

          • BOE

            OH BULL SHIT John!!

          • JeffH

            John, you have your right to bash Bush through your freedom of speech and now you will not have the freedom to deny health care without the threat of jail, fines or both. I much prefer freedom of choice than no freedom at all. As I still have the freedom of speech, I think Obama is a Marxist who is only delivering the goods for people far more powerful than Mr. Pres. Obama.

          • John

            here ya go BOE, PLEASE do your own research if you don’t believe it:

            NO-BID CONTRACTS to brother convicted in Silverado S&L scandal
            http://rationalrevolution.net/war/bush_family_and_the_s.htm
            There are several ways in which the Bush family plays into the Savings and Loan scandal, which involves not only many members of the Bush family but also many other politicians that are still in office and still part of the Bush Jr. administration today. Jeb Bush, George Bush Sr., and his son Neil Bush have all been implicated in the Savings and Loan Scandal, which cost American tax payers over $1.4 TRILLION dollars (note that this is about one quarter of our national debt).
            http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=5337
            http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_42/b4005059.htm

            George Bush’s sleep over boy friend
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Gannon
            http://www.rawstory.com/exclusives/byrne/secret_service_gannon_424.htm

            12 Billion in Cash Or more disappeared in Iraq
            http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/feb/08/usa.iraq1
            http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/09/60minutes/main1302378.shtml

            Bush Wire tapping
            http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/12/bush.wiretap/index.html

            Suspension of Habeas corpus
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus

            Now what part was [offensive word removed]???

          • Jana

            John, NO! You never were a conservative. Bush wasn’t either, and if you allowed anyone to change your values then you never had those values to start with.

          • John

            Jana – OK you win, let me clarify, for the 35 years I “generally” voted conservative. But unlike most Fox viewing, Limbaugh/Beck worshiping conservatives – I have brains enough to check multiple sources.

            When I started investigating all of the things that Bush and the republicans were doing, it convinced me that I had been lied to for the last 35 years. So although I still am not a democrat, I do not believe most of what comes from FOX or Washington Times….

          • Pete

            Although it has closed down you can still find things on the web about the Project for the New American Century. Look it and check out the players. See if any of the names look famliar.

          • Jim H.

            John, You make big assumtions about where I get my information( ANOTHER BASELESS COMMENT) and you still didn’t prove who got put in Gitmo for making comments about Bush. There was even a movie that had him assasinated and there were no reprisals. If you want to not like Bush do it for the reasons you list, you don’t have to go make unfounded accusations up.

        • John

          Pete carry it one step further – check out project for a new American century and then ask yourself how many of those objectives were accomplished because of 9/11. Certainly SHOULD make you think…..

    • JeffH

      Mark, I choose to live and fight for my freedom.

  • tracy mathias

    We need to destroy the democratic party and send them to hell , where they came from and where they are going to go . Everyone needs to register as an democrate ( affiliation means nothing but pride and ignorance ) and vote for the second most popular democrate in the primary election . Then switch over and vote for the most popular independent or republican in the general election . We the people need to take over all offices from city counsel , mayor and up .

    • http://www.w3f.com/patriots/ JRBeaman

      WRONG! Democrats or Republicans, they must follow the Constitution, as their oath of office demands of them. Anything else is treason.

      We need to do our homework, and help our fellow citizens to do the same, and vote in the best candidate on every election until our ship is righted again. Hold your nose, but vote out the worst…only.

      Simple solutions like ‘vote out all incumbents’ takes away our responsibility to govern as the people should.

      Term limits is fools folly. I would rather have had Regan than Bush senior, and term limits would prevent us from deciding whats best for our country.

      There are no tricks, games, or childish ideas worthy of our efforts. Only returning to the structure designed by our divinely inspired founding fathers will correct the situation. Every vote, every action, MUST be done toward this end or we are truly hosed.

      The 10th Amendment says it all, and we MUST have it enforced.

  • http://none Andrew E

    The Republic has gone the route of Hitler’s Germany. The archaic theories pf Karl Marx are being foisted upon America by avowed Socialists and Marxists who failed in their effort to use their “POWER OF PERSUASION” ( the electorate was against the Socialization of Health care as a pretext by the Progressives to STEAL the wealth from the common citizens) so now the Marxists in The White House and in Congress will (as Hitler did and as one of Scumbag Obama’s advisers promised) use the “PERSUASION OF POWER” to separate common citizens from their wealth.

    Our founding fathers started a Revolution against King George for a far smaller attempted theft and enslavement than that perpetrated upon Americans this past Sunday March 21, 2010. I wonder when our “adjustment” to our Washington Marxist crowd will begin.

  • chuck b

    john says

    you are misconstruing the meaning. i don’t believe christ would consider people who are thieves and that is exactly what most of these illegals are, they came into this country like thieves in the night and have overloaded the tax payers by indulging in welfare and healthcare, christ said “don’t cast your pearls amongst the swine” we are a very generous people and if we offer help to the poor of this world that is one thing, if they sneak into our house and demand help that is another.

    • Raggs

      That makes sence but, who will punish the citizens in an excuse to secure the borders? Immigration reform is a falsehood and a method of controlling the population of this country while the boarder runs ramped.. obama is a power hungry fool.

  • DaveH
  • Raggs

    States are concerned the burden of providing healthcare will fall on them without enough federal support.

    Dave… I have found the reasoning behind the states agenda.
    The line above came from that site you posted… More federal buy-outs?

    • DaveH

      I think they are approaching it from a Constitutional point of view due to the concept of Federal Government mandating ways for them to spend their money.
      But I’m with you if they’re saying that it’s okay as long as the Feds pay for it, because it isn’t okay. See my comment below.

  • DaveH
    • Joe H.

      DaveH,
      i checked again to be sure and my cong person Latourette voted NO like he said a year ago he would if it was anything like 3200!! he kept his word to his constituents like he should!!

    • JeffH

      I just sent in another donation for the cause.

  • http://juliegorelik@hotmail.com Julie Gorelik

    Hello AmeriKans!We have all experienced political crap in our lives,as a Dem.,or Repub.,unfortunately,there is enough blame to go to both money hungry parties.Both have taken more from us than God ever wanted.Abuse from both sides is evident-give us your money and shut up.If anything is “Unconstitutional”-I would think Communism is.The complete tactics used by politicians-control,money,and POWER,are as old and well seen here as far back as man and quest for control began.What we need is people who actually CARE about what’t best for ALL of Americans,and not just the almighty BUCK.Hard to see that happen-people like power,look at all of them.God help us all-we’re going to need it,can we ever forget our own personal hurts and hurt for the division we have in AmeriKa-and just be Americans-that will actually love and appreciate our differences AND agree to disagree without HATE?Without name calling?My son is 10,and I have to try and get him to see even if we don’t agree with each other,we can’t HATE each other,cause God said not to HATE.(even if we Hate what is done to us),it doesn’t help to name call if we are of different views-but GOD HELP US ALL!!!!!

  • mayeeden

    Our country was formed with a constitutional represenative republic government ruled by laws. For the last few decades, our leaders have given lofty speeches about America, the world’s greatest democracy which is rule by the majority over the minority, 51-49 which gets their way. America was never meant to be ruled that way. Today, AOL ran a fresh poll about the health care travesty and it showed 76% opposed to this law. AOL is not exactly a right wing religous web site. It is real America speaking. Now we are not even the “world’s greatest democracy”, we are being ruled by a tyranny which tells the majority to shut up and sit down or else. My fellow Americans who were born in this country, We are now under tyranny!

  • http://google DTHOMPSON

    GET READY FOR 25% UN-EMPLOYMENT UNDER ‘HUSSEIN OBAMA CARE’ PRES. HUSSEIN OBAMA HAS MADE AMERICA AND USSR IDENTICAL. MAYBE AL WILL SEE THE LIGHT OF HUSSEIN OBAMA’S MAEXIST TAKEOVER WHEN HE BECOMES ONE OF THESE BILLION OF UN-EMPLOYED AMERICANS. RUSH, BECK, HANNITY ANYBODY WOULD BE BETTER PRES. THAN HUSSEIN OBAMA, HECK MICKEY AND MINNE MOUSE OR A STOPPED CLOCK WOULD BE A BETTER PRES. THAN THIS JOKE OF A LEADER HUSSEIN OBAMA. HUSSEIN OBAMA WILL BE ONE-TERM PRES. IF WE ARE LUCKY TO MAKE IT TO 2012 AFTER HUSSEIN OBAMA TRASHES THE CONSTITUTIION. GET READY FOR ONE OF YOUR MILLION NEW IRS COPS NEAR YOUAS HUSSEIN OBAMA FORCES HIS COMMUNIST AGENDA DOWN YOUR THROAT. PRAY FOR THE SAKE OF OUR KIDS AND GRANDKIDS THAT HUSSEIN OBAMA IS IMPEACHED OR THROWN OUT OF OFFICE IN 2012. BY THE WAY AMNESTY FIR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS AND REPREATIONS FOR SLAVERY ARE NEXT TO COME FROM HUSSEIN OBAMA, GET READY.HUSSEIN OBAMA WILL NEED ILLEGALS VOTES IN 2012 TO STEAL ELECTION JUST LIKE HUSSEIN OBAMA HAS STOLEN FROM AMERICANS POCKETS, FUTURE AND DIGNITY. HOW’S THAT HOPE AND CHANGE WORKING FOR YOU NOW?

  • Rennie

    “The people can never mean to do anything that will not advance the public good; and it is only under momentary delusion that they can act wrong.” Jedediah Peck a.k.a. “Ploughjogger” Feb. 6, 1810. Peck, a Revolutionary War veteran who migrated to a farm west of Cooperstown, circulated petitions against the Sedition Act, was seized by Judge Cooper and sent to NYC for trial by open wagon, in chains, in the fall of the year, it is said the spectacle of this elderly man passing by exposed to the elements, swayed voters to Jefferson’s camp in the next election.

  • Michael J. Smith

    The bottom line is “FREEDOM”!!!!!! We are loosing it!!
    If you don’t see this then you are either a fool or are woefully ignorant and beyond hope!

    God help these United States and its people!!

    Let us all pray and do our utmost to reverse this OBAMANATION!!!

  • eddie47d

    Raindance at 12:42; Nice of you to take your white hood off. I think it cooked your senses.The Democratic wasn’t in existance during the Revolution War. Your exactly the person I was talking about in my earlier comment. I can’t think of a faster way to bring down the Republican Party or any Party than to listen to your dillusions.

    • Joe H.

      eddie47duncecap,
      he said liberals! that is the democrat party of today there have been liberal thinking people since before this country was discovered unfortunately!!

  • eddie47d

    Mr. Livingston originally quoted John Adams, “to make it treasonable to publish false,scandalous and malicious writings”. Under those circumstances a whole bunch of you would be in deep doo doo.

  • Ted Korab

    “We the people” can stop this future Dictator and his Lambs(Democrats),by NOT FORGETTING COME NOVEMBER 2010 as the Dems. say we will. Don’t allow the United States become another Germany ruled by Hitler with his Gestapo (16,000 new IRS agents) looking over our shoulders. If we aren’t careful this is where we are headed. Mark my words!

  • Tom

    What we are seeing happen in America today is what happened to the Roman empire many years ago. History does repeat itself. Our government is attempting to be the end all for everyone, rescuing failed banks, rescuing those who overspent on home purchases, those who have an old car. It goes on and on. Unfortunately these policies eventually fail just like the Roman empire failed when they tried to conquer the world.

    Many have likened the current polcies of our government as moving towards Socialism. I believe that started about 50 years ago and is now in full force. If you know anything about Ecomonics then you know what comes next in the ecomonic cycle. Once in control (like Hugo Chavez of Venezuela)the government can institute anything with little resistance.

    It can take some time but we are on the way to bankruptcy. Maybe Communism won’t look so bad when it gets here.

  • Steve Durko

    Ted IS RIGHT ON!

  • eddie47d

    Hey,Dave H. I took Roberts quiz (1:07) I’m a bonafide Libertarian! I still would never join an GOA group or any such organization.

  • Norman

    What do you want to bet American Liberal is either non-white or a government emplyee. I’ll bet money.

    • JeffH

      …and quite possibly not even an American and definitely not a patriot, although a liberal I’m quite certain.

  • http://www.americairemember,com angel-wanna-be

    Infamous Quote from Nikita Khrushchev

    “We can’t expect the American People to jump from Capitalism to Communism,
    but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism,
    until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism.”

    RONALD REAGAN WARNED US!__GOD BLESS AMERICA

    • Joe H.

      angel,
      the last american president with a consience!! God Bless him!! I hope Nancy isblessed with peace in her life!!!

  • http://Verizon.net Bud Grounds

    Grover: Just to set the record straight, the proof that you cite of President Obamas birth is a Certification of Birth from the State of Hawaii not his birth certificate. My youngest son was born in Hawaii around the same time and I assure you it is quite different in appearance and content.

    I am not going to get into the debate as to where he was actually born.

    • Tonnie

      We all know he was born in Kenya. He came here to ruin America and make sure that we have no more freedoms and no more rights. His only goal is to destroy this country and then take his family back to Kenya and live a happy life knowing that he was the mighty muslim that single handedly brought down the great empire of America. We will all be slaves to the muslims from today on.

  • http://myronjpoltroonian.blogspot.com Myron J. Poltroonian

    To settle one statement of non-historic “fact”, this from ol’ Wicki-Pooh: The First Party System is a term of periodization used by political scientists and historians to describe the political party system existing in the United States between roughly 1792 and 1824. It featured two national parties competing for control of the presidency, Congress, and the states: the Federalist Party (created by Alexander Hamilton) and the Democratic-Republican Party (created by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison).
    The First Party System ended during the Era of Good Feelings (1816-1824), as the Federalists shrank to a few isolated strongholds. In 1824-28, as the Second Party System emerged, the Democratic-Republican Party split into the Jacksonian faction, which became the modern Democratic Party in the 1830s, and the Henry Clay faction, which was absorbed by Clay’s Whig Party. The term of dis-endearment used by so many of the oh so tolerant progressives – “Tea bag, Tea baggers, Baggers, et al, is defined as: “An act of oral gratification performed on the male testicles”. How sweet of them to try and lump us in with Barney Frank. And they wonder why we seem just a tad less than civil towards them. I do wonder, what would Freud say?

  • tim J

    AMERICAN LIBERIAL &GROVER I’m glad this bill passed, finally. Reagan was a good actor when he said ” we are no longer going to be an industrial producing nation, but a service tech nation”. So true be produce very little, our greatest export commotity is scrap iron to china. I’m glad Stupak stood up for the scantity of life. The sick and deprived in this country needed help. Oh fyi I’m retired 41 yrs. Union pipefitter, lost vacation, holidays, 25% paycut, thanks to republicans, and reagan.

    • John

      I have been saying this for a long time:

      If you work for a living, you are voting against your own interests every time you vote republican.

      Prior to Reagan pension funds were required by law to be 80% funded – Reagan let the CEO’s steal that money. Now the government has to pay for those un-funded pensions.

      I am/was a “highly paid” computer profesional. Because republicans gave corporations a tax break to out-source jobs, I now have to compete with Chinese and Indain workers. I was laid off and will have to take about a 50% paycut to go back to doing the same thing.

      All American engineering jobs are now in China and India. Which of course makes those countries the innovators now instead of America.
      Republicans have sold out America’s future for short term gain.

  • JeffH

    tim J.. to you and all the rest, the end justifies the means. You care not of the financial impact and burden that the working man will have to endure, nor do you care that there is a far greater risk of this country going bankrupt. Like all of the rest, those poor uninsured souls deserve this. The states will have to carry a large portion of the costs for the uninsured through the Medicaid programs, but that isn’t as important as insuring these poor souls. Some day you’ll be saying “what the flock did I do”? May you thrive under your beloved socialism! Union pipefitters don’t take 25% pay cuts and lose what you claim to have lost. More than likely you were a scab! Especially if you have been retired for 41 years.

    • Pete

      So ou’re an expert on Unions too?

      • JeffH

        Pete the repeater…expert on unions? Where did I say that! I have lengthy experience on both sides of the fence, and a good portion of my friends are members of unions. I know it is a fact that unions don’t accept 25% pay cuts for their memberships. Prove me wrong, but you cannot do so! You are just another liberal hack feeding at the taxpayers expense.

  • Pete

    OK Show of hands. How many people here actually read the Bill and Understand it?

    • TIME

      Pete, Have you?
      I have, and my wife is a lawyer so its very easy to understand the extreme rhetoric within it, even with the double talk and sideways rhetoric.
      Be that as it may the bribes, pay offs, and other issues have made this bill even more repulsive than it would be without such.

      Let alone the base issues of founding laws of the land that this bill shreds as in the “Bill of rights,” just for starters, #3, #5, #7 #8 #9 #10, so what part of that can you show thats false?

      • Pete

        Please let me know where I can find a copy of it as I have not yet actually read the bill. Since you have read it you should be able to send me a copy.

        • TIME

          Petie,
          Your not a bright bulb now are you?
          Got any gray matter?
          Got a computer?

          • Pete

            When someone like you says they have read the Bill I assume, (which I shouldn’t do) that they are being truthful. If in fact they are truthful then I would expect they would want to share that knowlage with the rest of us so that we can see that we are wrong. However when someone like you decides that it’s better to make an A%7 out of someone like me that is far less intelligent, than share the information you said you have reviewed and understand than I can aslo assume you are lieing about reading it because you can not produce the document you said you have read. All it takes is a link posted to where the document is. I have been honest and admitted to not reading the bill and would like to read it. But in true over educated over paid selfish fashion as a lot on here are, you choose to make an A^& out someone rather them help that person become educated. You sir are the kind of scum which is bringing this country down. Greedy

          • Normal Guy

            Pete

            Seeing as TIME does not seem to have a link to the document that he has read. Here it is for you.

            http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3590enr.txt.pdf

          • Jana

            Pete, You can google it or go to:

            http://www.usconstitution.net

            I even made a copy of it and read it regularly.

      • Normal Guy

        Okay TIME

        I’ll bite how does this bill shred the third, fifth, seventh, eighth ninth and tenth Amendments. Explain to me how various parts of health care reform shred these sections?

        Your interpretation obviously as they have not been before any courts but I can’t wait to see what is “illegal” here, in your opinion.

        Maybe your wife the lawyer can help you with your homework. Just one example of each shredding act so that I can see the light that all this is a massive conspiracy to turn us all into communist slaves.

        I just can’t wait to see it.

  • Pete

    Total Cost of Wars Since 2001 $974,488,615,932.00

    http://costofwar.com/

    • JeffH

      pete the repeater, those figure for the HCB are just the tip of the iceberg. When has a government beauracracy ever, and I do mean ever, met and not exceeded their cost estimates.

      Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois, the Democratic nominee, raised $454 million as of Sept. 21, 2008, according to the Center and Federal Election Commission records, making him the top fundraiser in the history of presidential elections.

  • Pete

    Cot of health care plan $938 billion over 10 years, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

    Healh care plan will save lives.
    War takes lives.

    • TIME

      Pete,
      Thats all 100% solid waste material you posted.
      And where did you get your facts from again?

      Health care will not save a single life thats pure political Rhetoric.

      • Pete

        If health care will not save a single life then why don’t you give up your healthcare. It must be nothing more than a waste of money.

        • TIME

          Pete,
          I don’t have Health Insurance and I wouldn’t buy it if I have too.
          Thats my choice. When my time comes I will know, then remove myself
          thats again my God given choice.

          All something that when a government tells you what you will do you loose.
          Thats called “loss of freedom,” can you get your mind around that?

          Cure yourself! Take care of yourself! Live life, don’t act at it.

          When the end comes don’t be afraid to walk the path to your makers home no matter who your maker is, cast your dye and follow your path.

          We give money every year to a 501 C 3 that provides care to youth who’s familys can’t afford care. The Doc’s that work there give of their time so do the staff that works with these children.
          We also give to young people who need mental health care again the Doc’s give of their time for free.

          What do you do again?

          • Tonnie

            I jst calledand to cancel my insurance as a way to protest.

        • JeffH

          Pete the repeater…you can bet that THIS Health Care Legislation will destroy many lives. Force’d government control does not equate to freedom!

    • JeffH

      Here is something you need to learn about trusting Big Government’s cost figures. Fantasy meet reality, try it…you’ll be better because of it!
      http://www.cato.org/pubs/tbb/tbb-0309-17.pdf

      • JeffH

        pete the repeater…this was for you…

  • Tonnie

    To show how mad we are about this bill being passed and how our freedom to choose is being taken away. I think starting today we should all drop our health insurance!

  • Kim

    This health care bill is nothing more the totally Hypocrisy~~~~
    hence the definition….

    1.
    a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess.

    To justify for the few that don’t desire or have health insurance when no one is denied emergency care and access….yet at the expense funding out for abortions….Please….stop all the ignorance. This government is a hypocrisy for it lacks religions beliefs of true believers, lack personal character and in so doing has lost it’s principles to serve the people….period.

  • tim J

    JeffH, Sorry, not clearly stated, I retired after working 41+ yrs. with 2200+ hrs/yr. After Reagan forced a 25% cut, it took 9 yrs. to regain the hourly wage that was lost in 1984. I have all the paper work to substatiate these facts. Republicans always sellout this nation, freeze minimum wages, supress the poor. Yes, we need to help the less fortunate, a healthier nations will promote equality.
    Start, trades schools, that it is honorable to work with your hands. It’s a fact that the nuclear power plants proposed are to be manned by areva, french personnel, a planned stratagery 26 yrs ago. God help us and scantify the unborn.

    • JeffH

      tim J..I believe you have your facts a little skewed. I know many people in the trades going way back to Reagan’s Governorship in California and cannot recall any 25% pay cuts or wage freezes, or even suppressing the poor. Did it ever occur to you that maybe your union was playing with it’s membership, retirement funds, etc. It would seem that your union didn’t represent you well or the membership didn’t support the union very well during contract negotiations. Sorry, I can’t buy into your storyline and I’m tired of supporting deadbeats with our taxdollars, here and the around the world.

  • J.M.R.

    hey tim have you noticed we are feeding most of the world now, we have bussed kids all over the cities and what have gained more trashed schools lower scores. so now the libs want to blame all the teachers.. did you ever hear the saying you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink. so its time for them to help themselves!!! if we were not spending all our money on the loafers of the would we have more money in our pockets.

  • J.M.R.

    missed spelled world sorry about that

    • JeffH

      J.M.R. well said, and not to worry. The spelling police are liberals anyway, far higher IQ and far better educated. At least that is what they always say so it must be true.

      • Palin12

        Ah yes, straight out of the democrat playbook, always tell the public how dumb your opponent is, and what an intellectual your candidate is. They’ve been playing that game forever! In 1952, they said Eisenhower was just a dumb military guy, but their guy Adlai Stevenson was a great intellectual from Princeton. Final electoral vote: Ike 442, Stevenson 89. Adlai didn’t learn his lesson though, came back in ’56, got trounced even worse 457-73. Then they said Reagan was just a dumb actor. Turned out Mondale was the real idiot when her promised to raise taxes. Mondale carried only his home state, Reagan the other 49. Then we have Michael Moore telling us that George W Bush was reading an elementary school book upside down. Too bad the teacher in the class, who voted against him BTW, was standing next to Bush the whole time and vigorously disputed that claim. It was only natural of these liberal lunatics to go after Sarah Palin in the exact same manner, attributing quotes from Tina Fey as being Sarah’s. Not to mention the whole phoney so-called “Troopergate” scandal. Oh no, the liberals won’t mention this trooper was using his taser while off-duty to “correct” his nephew.
        Speaking of Sarah…see you this coming Saturday in Searchlight, NV, Dirty Harry Reid’s hometown!

        • JeffH

          Palin12, give a loud hello for me too. Enjoy the final denouncement of Dirty Harry and be safe as always. Oh, and thanks for you honest comments too.

  • JeffH

    J.M.R., sorry to say, but there ain’t nothin there.

  • Tonnie

    It’s Done. I heard on Fox today that they will start to implant babies with ID chips begining in 2011. Then the rest of us will have to get them two. I think I’m going to move to Costa Rika.

    WASHINGTON — A beaming President Barack Obama on Tuesday signed a historic $938 billion health care overhaul that guarantees coverage for 32 million uninsured Americans and will touch nearly every citizen’s life, presiding over the biggest shift in U.S. domestic policy since the 1960s and capping a divisive, yearlong debate that could define the November elections.

    Celebrating “a new season in America” — the signature accomplishment of his White House so far and one denied to a line of presidents before him — Obama made the massive bill law with an East Room signing ceremony. He was joined by jubilant House and Senate Democrats as well as lesser-known people whose health care struggles have touched the president. Obama scheduled back-to-back events to mark the moment, with much of his White House audience, as well as hundreds of others, heading to the Interior Department immediately after the signing.

    “With all the punditry, all the lobbying, all the game-playing that passes for governing here in Washington, it’s been easy at times to doubt our ability to do such a big thing, such a complicated thing, to wonder if there are limits to what we as a people can still achieve,” Obama said, his remarks interrupted by applause after nearly every sentence. “We are not a nation that scales back its aspirations. We are not a nation that falls prey to doubt or mistrust. We don’t fall prey to fear. We are not a nation that does what’s easy. That’s not who we are. That’s not how we got here.”

    The president’s victory lap proceeded even as Congress labored to complete the overhaul with a companion measure making changes to the main bill that were a condition of House Democrats’ approval. Debate on that bill, also passed Sunday by the House, could begin Tuesday in the Senate.

    Not everyone was cheering the new law.

    Attorneys general from 13 states filed suit to stop the overhaul just minutes after the bill signing, contending the law is unconstitutional. Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum took the lead in the lawsuit, joined by colleagues from South Carolina, Nebraska, Texas, Michigan, Utah, Pennsylvania, Alabama, South Dakota, Louisiana, Idaho, Washington and Colorado. Other GOP attorneys general may join the lawsuit later or sue separately.

    In Washington, Republicans remained firm in their opposition to the giant remake of the nation’s health system, declaring it much too costly and unlikely to produce the results that Obama claims. The Republicans pledged to see Democrats punished in this fall’s elections for approving the legislation over deep public skepticism.

    “By signing this bill, President Obama is abandoning our founding principle that government governs best when it governs closest to the people,” said House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio. “Never before has such a monumental change to our government been carried out without the support of both parties. This debate has fostered unprecedented division at a time when this nation needs to come together and address the serious challenges we face.”

    With that in mind, and with many of the law’s most sweeping changes not to take effect for years, Obama emphasized the overhaul’s most immediate impacts, including the ability of young adults to remain on their parents’ health plans and a ban on insurers denying coverage to sick children.

    “We have now just enshrined the core principle that everybody should have some basic security when it comes to their health,” the president said.

    The White House did everything possible to make sure Obama’s appearances carried the day without competition. A planned announcement of the administration’s new drug control policy by Vice President Joe Biden was called off, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs declined to hold his regular daily briefing for reporters, and all Obama’s meetings were closed to coverage, including one with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

    The signing was more than celebration. It was the beginning of an aggressive sales job Obama will undertake to turn around public opinion on the legislation and help save Democrats — particularly those from conservative-leaning districts — who stand to suffer most from casting votes for the bill.

    That effort continues Thursday when Obama visits Iowa City, Iowa, where as a presidential candidate he announced his health care plan in May 2007.

    Obama’s historic achievement was sealed late Sunday, when the House voted 219-212 — without a single Republican in favor — to send the 10-year bill to Obama. Passed by the Senate in December, the bill eventually will extend coverage to 32 million uninsured Americans and ban such insurance company practices as denying coverage to people with medical problems.

    The House also passed the companion measure on Sunday, by a 220-211. Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., says he has the votes to pass it in his chamber — though only under special budget rules requiring just a simple majority vote. Republicans plan to offer scores of amendments to slow or change that bill and stymie Democratic hopes to see it approved as written and sent directly to Obama for his signature.

    The first changes under the overhaul take effect by the end of September. Other changes would not kick in until 2014.

    By then, most Americans will for the first time be required to carry health insurance — through an employer, through a government program or by buying it for themselves. Those who refuse will face penalties from the IRS.

    Tax credits to help pay for premiums also will start flowing to middle-class working families with incomes up to $88,000 a year, and Medicaid will be expanded to cover more low-income people.

    The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said the bill awaiting Obama’s signature would cut federal budget deficits by an estimated $143 billion over a decade.

    The second measure, which House Democrats demanded before agreeing to the first one, includes enough money to close a gap in Medicare prescription drug coverage over the next decade, starting with an election-year rebate of $250 later this year for seniors facing high costs.

  • Palin12

    “We’re sorry, the page you requested cannot be found.”

  • Rob

    Excellent article.
    I have a perspective I would like to share. I think its important.

    Recently I have come to the conclusion that someone in my circle is a sociopath.
    Confusing behavior led me to do a little research on what I suspected might be mental illness. This person matched up perfectly with the discriptions of a sociopathic personality type. It would seem that sociopaths are not what I had imagined them to be. Very few are serial killers, although all serial killers are most likely sociopaths. Its a sliding scale of degrees. At the core of a sociopath is the lack of conscience, and an inability to feel love. I will list some traits:
    Glib and superficial
    Egocentric and grandiose
    Lack of remorse or guilt
    Lack of empathy
    Deceitful and manipulative
    Shallow emotions
    Impulsive
    Poor behavior controls
    Need for excitement
    Lack of responsibility
    Early behavior problems
    Adult antisocial behavior
    Disregard for the rights of others

    I was astounded to learn that most sociopaths pass for normal people. They are people without conscious, without love. Without love, there is little left for the sociopath. Except winning. Sociopaths want to win.

    Although incapable of experiencing certain basic human feelings, sociopaths are keen observers, and excellent actors, and chronic liars. They will fake the necessary feelings, and do so at the right time.

    They are also in many cases high acheivers, not hampered by moral restraints that mentally healthy people are restrained by. Many cases they are quickly promoted up the ladder in the corporate world, possessing the qualities of easily being able to make “The tough decisions” without regard to the harm they may cause, so long as its good for the company. Many, once at the top, use their positions for abuse. We see this running rampant in Corp America. pension fund ripoffs, the Enron scam, Bernie Madoff, its never ending.

    Now turn your attention to Washington DC.

    What do you see?

    I see the very same behavior that can be categorized as sociopathic behavior.
    We might be right when we say our leaders are nuts.
    Remember, mental illness is a sliding scale of degrees. Some are worse than others. While some might be mass murders, others only capable of robbing and scamming without regret. Most sociopaths are not killers.

    What I see with our leaders is a desire to win at all costs. A blatant disregard for the well being or rights of others.

    I am not saying all our leaders are mentally ill, but I think enough sociopaths have been attracted to positions of power and control in Washington, that they are spoiling the whole lot.

    Are we going to continue to allow ourselves to be ruled by mentally defective people? People who are incapable of relating to the rest of us and who do not share our values?

    These sickos, do not chose one party over the other. They are in both parties.
    Its time to flush them all out of Washington and vote in third party candidates. Any third party candidate will do at this point. Any at all.

    I think we also need to make it manditory that anyone in a position to make law, declare war, spend our money, and drop the bomb, should be required to undertake a psychiatric evaluation. We cannot have nut jobs declaring war on our behalf.

    Higher office, whether in business or government attracts sociopaths like a magnet. It puts them in the position of control, and thats what they crave.

    Doubt what I am saying? Then do your own research.
    Google is your friend.

    Rob

  • Rob

    Hey Tammy…
    I know what you are saying, but you are kidding yourself if you think you are going to see a reduction in health care costs just because hospitals are getting paid for everyone that walks in.

    No….they will simply keep the money, and their high prices.

    You just made the case for health care reform. The hospitals will now get paid for everyone that comes in and thus lowering the over cost of healthcare for all. I couldn’t have made the case any better.

    Thank you my fellow liberal.

  • Rob

    JRBeamon,
    What you say is true.
    “We are a Republic, based upon laws approved by the people, we are not a Democracy, and the “Democrats” are overthrowing our designed form of government as their party title declares, and are all guilty of treason.”

    But lets not forget the overthrowing is occurring from BOTH parties. How can the USA Patroit Act not be construed as overthrowing our form of constitutional government? Spying on ordinary Americans through such programs as Infragard, the use of warrentless wiretaps against us violates our rights. We know the spy apparatus is in place even if it is operating out of sight.

    What makes this so dangerous is that its wide open for abuse. Its a mistake to feel secure thinking if you have done nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about. A mistake to think government will always do whats right.

    Read my piece on sociopaths in positions of power above. These people play games. These people are mentally ill. Wheres the checks and balances against abuse?

    Please do not take my words to mean that this is somehow a defense of the Democrats or what they just did to us. It is NOT.
    You are on the right track here, just expand it a little more to include the Republicans also. The Republicans fought Obamacare that was being shoved down our throats, but the Republicans shoved the liberty shredding USA Patroit Act up our A**es, claiming safety trumped liberty.

    Ask any soldier if safety trumps liberty. Our country goes to war for liberty, we expect our soldiers to fight and die for liberty, why then must WE the people be expected to trade liberty for safety?
    Its an inconvenient contradiction.
    And it makes no sense.

    Rob

  • Rob

    I just couldn’t help myself….

    Ever get the feeling that your boss is a nut job? Or our leaders in Washington?
    You might be right.
    Think of these people as disease carriers. It only takes 1 of them in the right position to contaminate the whole lot through manipulation.

    Heres some links concerning sociopaths in business and government.

    http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/96/open_boss.html?page=0%2C0

    Yeah, Huffington Post…try to hold your lunch down…its a good article.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-agin/political-corruption-wall_b_151708.html

    http://www.houmatoday.com/article/20100312/LETTERS/100319826

    Heres the whole Google page…

    http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=sociopaths+in+Washington&start=0&sa=N&fp=1dc62da33e2ff469

    Its time to stop listening to insane policy coming from Washington.

    Be sure to register to vote. When the time comes, lets flush out Washington, its almost the last hope.

    If liberal Massachusetts can stand and deliver, so can we.
    When the time comes, let them know what you think!

    End their careers!

  • Lisa

    Hey great News! Rachel Madow is going to Run for Mass. Senate! She would be great in the Senate. She’s got my vote. I’m so glad I live in Mass.

    • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

      Lisa,
      Rachel Mad Cow runnin for office in Taxachussetts?
      Why doesn’t that surprise me? Hey that ignorant liberal biatch might have a chance, considering the liberal morons that live there kept re-electing that drunk driving, woman killing, alcohol inhaling piece of slop Kennedy for 4 decades! I hope you and Rachel will be very happy together. I’m also happy that I’m about as far away from that screwed up state as I can get.

      • Lisa

        Brown is already startingo campaign against her. It’s funny, he’s so scared. He has two years left in his term but e’s scared a woman is going to take the seat away from him. Another Paranoid Republican. Just do the job you were elected to do and the people will remember that. I hope she wins. I know I’ll vote for her.

    • Palin12

      Rachel Maddow and Bawney Fwank….too funny!

      • Dylan

        Palin 12;
        Funny, YES!! Can you imagine all the free ammunition that pair will give us? I can see the tv comedians having a field day with those two!
        In reality, I think Bawneys days are numbered, and I don’t think Mad Cow has a chance, regardless of Lisas enthusiasm. I think the “Cow” is too ignorant, even for the far left liberals. Either way, IT IS GOING TO BE FUN TO WATCH!!

    • momof4

      Yuck!!!!!!!!!

  • Toby

    Hey lets overturn all the laws passed in the past 200 years. We can get slavery back, do away with civil rights, bring back abortion, get rid of the FDA, FEMA, Homeland Security, The IRS, the Post Office, the EPA and so on. they are all just a waste of money. All we need is the military to blow away those in the middle east. You know the ones. then we can take their oil and burn it till the sky turns black and there’s not a bit of clean air or water left on earth! Let’s do it!

    • LIBERALS ARE IGNORANT

      Hey Toby
      That liberal Lisa right above you is looking for a date!

      • Toby

        Hey, I just want my freedom back. Ever since this country was founded our government has been trying to take our freedom away. All these stupid laws and offices. What’s wrong with wanting my freedoms returned and the Constitution reinstated?

        Lisa, gotta a pic? Email me. tobybarns432@yahoo.com

  • leftie

    I think we are long overdue for changes. What is everyone so worried about? We need to put a stop at the increases that go on every year from the insurance companies and their rates. Look how many millions were spent by insurance companies trying to stop this bill. I had a friend who fought for his life and survived cancer. Now his insurance company dropped him and no one will give him insurance. Thank YOu Mr.President and the rest of the democrats that voted for this. Yes I will remember come election time that not one Republican voted for this. Shame on all of you. Now its time to put a stop to these drug companies. Doctors need to stop pushing pills and actually start letting them be doctors. God Bless America

    • denniso

      Republicans are corporate hacks and cowards…vote all of them out next election!!!

      • momof4

        denniso,
        I am praying that we elect virtuous men and woman. I don,t care what party that they belong to, As long as they stick to the Constitution.
        Sorry denniso, but not to many if any, virtuous ones in the Dem party.
        I know alot of people feel this way even my Democrat friends. Quiet a few of them are really regretting voting for Obama. I am having a grand time telling them I told you so.

  • tim J

    JeffH The beginning of the end began with Reagan as President. My facts are accuate it all started in 1982 thru 1987 another forced recession. Oh as tough as it was, we survived, through the grace of God.

    • JeffH

      tim J, the only one you have convinced is yourself. Where was your union through all of the 25% wage cuts? As the liberals say, you are delusional about that!

  • http://google DTHOMPSON

    RADIO NORTH YOU HAVE POSTED THE MOST ILL-ADVISED, LYING, AND ULTIMATE SPIN OF THE TRUTH COMMENT EVER POSTED ON THE 2000 ELECTION. PRES. BUSH WAS DECLARED THE WINNER BY ALL MEDIA OUTLETS INCLUDING THE MAIN-STREAM LIBERAL MEDIA WHO ENDORSED GORE. GORE AND HIS CRONIE LAWYERS TRIED UNSECESSFULLY TO STEAL THE ELECTION. BUSH WON 75% OF THE STATES. HE ALSO WON THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE WHICH I HATE TO REMIND YOUR DUMB ILL-ADVISED MIND IS HOW WE ELECT OUR PRES. IN THIS DEMOCROCY. GORE CLEARLY LOSS, AND THAT WAS AFTER THE MEDIA EARLY IN THE NIGHT TRIED TO DECLARE HIM THE WINNER IN FLA. BEFORE THE POLLS HAD EVEN CLOSED IN THE PANHANDLE AREA, WHERE IT IS CLEARLY MORE CONSERVATIVE THAN THE REST OF THE STATE. IT DID NOT WORK AND THANK GOD THE VOTERS STILL DID THIER PATRIOTIC DUTY AND REMAINED IN LINE TO VOTE. GORE AND HIS CRONIES TRIED TO CHERRY-PICK VOTES UNTIL THEY COULD OVERTURN THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. GORE IS A IDIOT WHO HAS BEEN PROVEN TO BE A TOTAL FRAUD ON THIS GLOBAL WARMING CORRUPTION, WHICH HAS DONE NOTHING BUT LINED HIS POCKETS WITH GTHE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS MONEY. IF THEY WOULD HAVE FINISHED COUNTING THE OVERSEA MILITARY BALLOTS( WHICH A MAJORITY IS CLEARLY REPUBLICAN) BUSH WOULD HAVE WON THE POPULAR VOTE ALSO. JEFFH YOUR COMMENT IS SO MIS-GUIDED IT REALLY DOSENT NEED A RESPONSE, HOWEVER, I MUST. REAGAN WAS BEST PRES. SINCE TJEFF. DO YOU REALLY WANT TO COMPARE AMERICA TODAY AS WHEN IT WAS WHEN REAGAN WAS IN OFFICE. JUST LOOK AT THE ECONOMIC TURMOIL, TERROISTS WITH MORE RIGHT THAN THE AVG. U.S. CITIZEN, COMMUNIST CZARS, GOVT INTRUSION OF PEOPLES RIGHTS AND PRIVACY. GOVT TAKE OVER OF AUTO INDUSTRY, HOUSING, BANKS, HOLDER AND NAPOLITANO TRYING THE MASTERMIND OF 911 ATTACKS 2 BLOCKS FROM WHERE IT HAPPENED. HUSSEIN OBAMA AND HIS CHI. THUG ADM. IS STOMPING ON CONSTITUTION, RECESSION, 10% INFLATION, TRYING TO TAKE OUR RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. YOU ARE MAYBE IN A 3-4% OF AMERICANS WHO THINK WE ARE BETTER OFF TODAY THAN WHEN THE GIPPER HAD US FREE AND PROSPERING AS A NATION. OVER 90 % OF AMERICANS WOULD BEG TO BE IN THE SHAPE WE WERE IN THE 80′S WITHOUT HUSSEIN OBAMA AND HIS GOVT INTRUSION WITH HEALTHCARE AND HIS MARXIST COMMUNIST TAKEOVER OF THIS ONCE GREAT NATION, WITH ITS LAST GREAT LEADER RONALD REAGAN.CHECK YOUR FACTS BEFORE YOU POST SUCH SPIN TIM J. YOU ARE DRINKING TO MUCH OF HUSSEIN OBAMA’S KOOL-AID. FOR THE SAKE OF OUR KIDS AND GRANDKIDS WE MUST AND WILL VOTE THIS JOKE OF A LEADER HUSSEIN OBAMA OUT IN 2012, DESPITE HIS THUGS AND MINIONS IN THE MEDIA. HUSSEIN OBAMA IS ALSO IN THE MIDST OF GEETING RID OF AND RUNNING OFF AND ISOLATING OUR ONLY ALLY IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND ONLY DEMOCRACY ISREAL. YOUR COMMENT TIM J IS ONE OF THE ALL-TIME WORST POST IN THE HISTORY OF THE INTERNET, YOU MUST HAVE BEEN BORN LAST YEAR BECAUSE NOTHING YOU POST IS BASED IN FACTS. REAGAN LOVED AMERICA, HUSSEIN OBAMA APOLOGIZES FOR IT AND BOWS DOWN TO FOREIGN LEADERS AND HUSSEIN OBAMA AND HIS SOCIALIST BUDDIES I-JAD AND CHAVEZ ARE HAND-IN-HAND TO DESTROY FREEDOM AROUND THE WORLD INCLUDING U.S. HUSSEIN OBAMA WANTS TO MEET WITH THESE THUGS WITHOUT PRE-CONDITIONS. HUSSEIN OBAMA IS MAKING AMERICA LESS SAFE WHILE REAGAN WON THE COLD WAR. WAKE-UP! AND CHECK YOUR HISTORY THEN GET BACK TO ME, WITH FACTS NOT A LIBERAL BASELESS, FACTS-FREE OPINION. NO SPIN, FACTS ONLY!!!! LONG LIVE AMERICA AND THE GREAT GIPPER THANK GOD HE WAS OUR PRES. AND COULD HAVE WON 2-3 MORE ELECTIONS IF IT WERE ALLOWED. HE LOST LESS THAN 10 STATES IN TWO ELECTIONS AND GOT US OUT OF JCARTER FIASCO, LONG-GAS LINES, IRAN HOSTAGE CRISES, MISERY INDEX( HIGH INFLATION AND HIGH UN-EMPLOYMENT)AND LOW MORALE OF AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO KNEW HE WAS IN OVER HIS HEAD JUST LIKE THIS JOKE OF A LEADER HUSSEIN OBAMA. BOTH JCARTER AND HUSSEIN OBAMA WILL GO DOWN AS WORST TWO PRES. IN U.S. HISTORY AND LIKE JCARTER, HUSSEIN OBAMA WILL BE A ONE-TERM PRES. ARE YOU REALLY BETTER OFF THAN YOU WERE IN 80′S, OF COURSE NOT. MOST AMERICANS KNOW THIER CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHS ARE BEING TRAMPED ON BY THIS MARXIST COOMIE CLOWN HUSSEIN OBAMA.

  • http://google DTHOMPSON

    IN MY PREVIOUS POST I CLEARLY MEANT 10% UN-EMPLOYMENT AND SURE TO RISE WHEN EMPLOYERS LAY OFF OFF WORKERS THAT INS. PREMIUMS THEY WONT BE ABLE TO AFFORD UNDER THIS NEW MARXIST HUSSEIN OBAMA CARE. THE 10% FIGURE DOES NOT INCLUDE THE OTHER 7-8% OF AMERICANS WHO HAVE GIVE UP ON TRYING TO FIND A JOB. HOW’S THAT HOPE AND CHANGE WORKING FOR YOU MILLION OF UN-EMPLOYED AMERICANS. MAYBE ONE OF THE GITMO DETAINEES THAT A.G. HOLDER AND HUSSEIN OBAMA ARE GOING TO RELEASE WILL TAKE YOUR JOB. VOTE FOR HUSSEIN OBAMA AGAIN AND MAYBE WE WILL GET MORE HOPE AND CHANGE, MAYBE LIKE CHANGING UN-EMPLOYMENT FROM 10% TO 25 %.

    • denniso

      Umm, sorry guy, but you conveniently forget that unemployment under your hero Reagan in his recession was higher than now. And it’s always the case that the unemployment numbers don’t reflect the people who have quit looking for work,since there is no way to account for them…they’re out of the system at that point.
      Reagans recession was not nearly as deep as this one,which if you’ll remember,started under Cheny Bush…this was for modern times, an unprecedented collapse on a global scale…the unemployment numbers are down from 6 months ago,the stock market is up 70% from a year ago and if the rightwing extremists who are only trying to destroy Obama would help and be supportive,the economy would be doing better yet. Idiots like Limbaugh are constantly trashing the economy and Obama and helping to hinder consummer confidence…consummer spending is 2/3 of the economy and tellin people over and over that the economy is crashing,when it isn’t, doesn’t help any of us…except maybe the $$ fortunes of Limbaugh and Beck and company. They are behaving like traitors to the country.

      • Jim H.

        Denniso, Since you like to go with the he inherited it from Bush theory, Could Reagan have inherited a high unemployment rate from Carter? In 2006 the unemployment rate was at an all time low(Bush).What changed? Pelosi& Reid. 3 years of them and a year of Dem monopoly. But it’s getting better the unemployment rate is down to 9.4%. Break out the Dom.When the rate is at 4.4% and the markets at 13000, Under the Dem monopoly, then talk to us.

  • tim J

    DTHOMPSON, You are defintely a Racist, and probably a millionair.

    • LIBERALS ARE IGNORANT

      And you little timmy J are just an ignorant liberal! BTW timmy J, what does the “J” stand for? timmy is a [offensive word removed] ????

  • http://www.TheirSecrets.info Ted McMillan

    Some of you have said that we can take back America. You are dreaming. WHY DO YOU THINK THEY ARE SO BOLD? NO YOU CANNOT TAKE AMERICA BACK! You sat and waited too long. No reasoning was able to convince you that it was not just your country and freedoms being taken away. It is not even just your lives being taken away: IT IS EVERYTHING ELSE BEYOND THAT! You don’t merely have to face “our” returning troops and many of those who remain who were not “PURGED OUT” in the false wars of treason. Most of those who remain will convert to monsters almost overnight. The wars were to purge those of our soldiers that would protect us and to preserve others who are fascists at heart. Some of these soldiers have shown us that the Ustashis of WWII are their heroes and how they are dying to emulate their atrocities.

    Why would the US government build so many detention camps if they didn’t know that “our troops” would put us in there? Oh 1.5 million of our troops cannot oppose 300 million Americans?

    It is not just our troops NOT PURGED OUT that you will have to face. THE COMMUNIST MILITARIES WILL BE ALLOWED OVER HERE TO HELP WITH THE GENOCIDE. Hey, 911 was a red carpet entrance of terrorists. If internal fascists can argue with you day and night and convince you that there was an excuse for 911, and the resulting call to make those goof-ups who failed to protect us kings, THEN YOU CAN EXCUSE AND SEE THE POSSIBILITY OF ANYTHING ELSE ENTERING.

    You also will have to deal with hundreds of thousands at least of fellow “American” civilians whom you will find out always knew a holocaust was on the way in America and who couldn’t wait for it to come.

    Everyone will soon be pressured by the new global fascist government to oppose those who are willing to risk all to oppose the advancing tyranny in an appropriate way. These people will even be framed and startling evidence will point against them–evidence that is staged. The powers that be will not be totally unfriendly. They will still maintain that they are working for SECURITY, PEACE and FREEDOM. They will therefore offer those who survive the first wave of genocide an opportunity to regain their peace and prosperity if they will expose, oppose, fight and even kill those who remain true to the principles of right. If they do that, then vital funding could possibly bring back their prosperity. At the same time, the powers that be will continue their work of mass genocide even in secret while continuing a face of peace to those who remain. Most of those who remain, from the mere terror alone will agree and comply. Those people will then realize that the people they opposed and betrayed to comply with the martial law and global regime, WERE GOD’S PEOPLE.

    theirsecrets.info

    • denniso

      With all due respect, you’re paranoid and delusional….

      • Julie

        denniso;
        With all due respect, (words removed for offensive content) you might wake up to what is going on.

      • http://www.Theirsecrets.info Ted McMillan

        Many like you have said that. I’d have to open up a class for guys like you to train you how to discuss on the internet. You left as much evidence of your mental diagnosis and your credentialed right to make it as did other like you left evidence that a defeated dictator was going to destroy us half way around the world with his “mushroom clouds.” I’m talking about the clouds Iran can’t make yet. It seems like my delusions do not destroy the greatest country in the world totally unprotected by a race of fascist psychiatrists.

        Everywhere on the internet I find you. I guess that’s why government leaders now told us, “America is BROKEN.” I was not deluded about the idea that we should chase the greatest conspiracy theory of all time. It was a special conspiracy theory that dwelt behind no-fly-zones in Iraq.

        Being so wrong about such an issue in unprecedented laughingstock-ism, where the greatest country in the world milked off all its resources to finally prove to the world that a defeated dictator is invincible–more insane than burning ashes–is what will cause people who urged such a treasonous activity to now more see I have mental problems.

        Will you urge more wars “FOR MY FREEDOMS” to be mentally ill upon disagreement with a war-criminal?

        Any who supported that war or who defend it should not be on the internet to discuss anything. Only fascists can be that wrong and can participate on the internet and give those who were right more strong mental correction.

        theirsecrets.info

    • Normal Guy

      Ted

      You have some serious reality problems. Let me get this right so the large corporate and political elites are going to enslave the whole world under Marxist/Fascist one world government. Everyone in power is in on it except of course the Libertarians who have very cleverly been left out of the briefings so that they don’t blow everyone’s cover.

      And the detention camps are all somehow shielded, must be some sort of cloaking technology and the guys that were forced at gunpoint to build them are the first prisoners (glimmer of hope here when we all get rounded up, they can help us break out, they probably have tattoos of the original plans.

      Look you really do have some mental problems, as hard as all this makes me laugh and as much as I love sending this stuff off to psychologists that I know to hear what they think. You need help, you are paranoid and delusional. You live in a world of conspiracy and fear and the reality is that you live in the greatest country in the world at the greatest time in history, there are thousands of options on how you can participate and effect change. They are not all trying to get you.

      Go find help.

      • Lisa

        Normal guy?
        Ignorance is “normal” for you? Is “political blindness” also normal for you? You need to wake up, and realize what is going on around you, or you will be left wondering W.T.H. happened.

      • http://www.Theirsecrets.info Ted McMillan

        NORMAL FASCIST: Please do not get offended by this, but I want to hide as much as possible the fact that when your mother was pregnant with you, she visited Bellevue Hospital. She tripped and fell and then had you. From that time you had a real nack at psychiatry. Unfortunately, on this system with humans reading, there is no sense in pretending you are disrespecting Ted McMillan, when you are actually disrespecting the humans here reading.

        That’s why real bonafide psychiatrists do not even comment with people who are the beneficiaries of wars “FOR OUR FREEDOMS” to agree with NORMAL FASCIST.

        Hey, if I saw 19 hijackers attack America, I would build ONE detention camp–IF EVEN ONE, knowing that it will hold thousands of people. But, fact is, if so many camps can be built copying their free use by the fascist countries, WHY NOT STAFF THEM WITH PSYCHIATRISTS LIKE THOU?

        Please, I know you see the need to disrespect the free human race as the fascists did who regularly had parents who decided to visit Bellevue hospital, but please do not bring that to disrespect the humans on this system again. If you don’t know what to say, scour the world for some more defeated dictators so that you can earn a doctorate in psychiatry. If guys like you had been civil with me before I would have helped you to find paperbags to wear over your heads after being so PARANOID about the sight of no-fly-zones.

        Now you have to worry about PARANOIA you see in me lest it finally destroys this country after your paranoia evidently did.

        theirsecrets.info

        • Normal Guy

          Seek help, You really need it.

          • http://www.theirsecrets.info Ted McMillan

            BEFORE YOU INSULT THE HUMANS READING HERE AGAIN NORMALFASCIST:

            Please let them know the kind of psychiatry degree you have, the institution in Italy you got it from and the FEMA detention camp you work in.

            http://www.theirsecrets.info/jesoath.htm

            This is a copy of the Jesuit Oath NORMALFASCIST is following. The test is simple: show NORMALFASCIST the bold public death threats against all non-Catholics, and if he follows the thousands of propagandists who view me exposing him, he would not even inquire who made these death threats nor show any aversion to them because he agrees with them. But one thing he will do: he will obey the Jesuit Oath. In it is says they must wage RELENTLESS war against the freedom loving people. Therefore EVERYONE of them who mentally diagnosed me and disrespected the humans here whom they regard as “stupid damned heretics,” will continue and repeat.

            That’s why they ran dungeons during the Inquisitions and then created the fascist regimes that ran concentration camps featuring secrecy and no justice. They freely gave out mental diagnoses in those camps and the secrecy took away the need for them to give documented evidence of their right to exist and operate.

            Unfortunately most all your national leaders, military leaders, many of the professors in your schools and most ministers on your pulpits have the same minds and come from the same place.

            That’s why they confeess: “AMERICA IS BROKEN!” with hidden joy and they build detention camps by the droves ahead of the event. That’s why all the mental correction from NORMALFASCIST and his band of Jesuits watched all this happen and didn’t correct the process.

            NORMALFASCIST: I’m not sorry I beat your fascist brains out with logic on this system. I’m not sorry I forced the thousands of others like you to spend so much time on people you claim have a natural mental illness for differing with tyrants. Please don’t support another assinine paranoid war FOR OUR FREEDOMS to be fascists like you. If another defeated dictator comes up, please mentally diagnose me then so you don’t have enough time to push for war.

  • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

    This takes less than 2 minutes to do this. It’s not too late to STOP THE ENFORCEMENT OF OBAMA CARE. Is it worth 2 minutes of your time??
    ******************************************************************************************************
    From the Desk of:
    Steve Elliott, Grassfire Natio
    Today, ObamaCare officially became law. But our PROTEST is just getting started.
    In less than 24 hours, we have already collected over 75,000
    CITIZEN PROTESTS against ObamaCare and will soon prepare
    them for hand-delivery directly to members of Congress.

    These PROTESTS will be hand-delivered to your Senators
    and your Representatives at no cost to you.

    Grassfire Nation wants to give you a practical way to
    PROTEST what is happening right now on Capitol Hill…
    and tell members of Congress that you will hold them
    accountable in November for their votes.

    This is a complimentary service. We will
    HAND-DELIVER your personal CITIZEN PROTEST
    message to your two Senators
    and Representatives. All you need to do is
    take a few moments to schedule and customize
    your protest message. Go here:

    http://www.grassfire.net/r.asp?u=26444&RID=23792230

    As you know, earlier today ObamaCare officially became the
    law of the land. Also today, the Senate began debate on
    the “reconciliation” bill that will result in an even
    more oppressive version of ObamaCare becoming law.

    Soon, the IRS will be greatly expanded — $10 billion
    and 16,500 new agents to become the chief ObamaCare
    enforcer and collect hundreds of billions in new taxes.
    You will be forced to pay for abortions. The insurance
    industry will be consumed in the new ObamaCare regime.
    And the government will impose an unconstitutional mandate
    on individual citizens that will make us health serfs of
    the state.

    Thomas Sowell writes that we have reached a “turning point…
    in the dismantling of America’s values and institutions.”

    Even today… while Obama and the Democrats are reveling in
    their victory, Americans are beginning to mobilize to take a
    stand and stop ObamaCare and the politicians who have imposed
    this unconstitutional regime upon us.

    That’s why we are collecting CITIZEN PROTESTS from across the
    country and will deliver them this week to Congress.

    The protests state plainly:

    1. I OPPOSE ObamaCare and its unconstitutional mandates.

    2. I SUPPORT efforts to stop enforcement of ObamaCare.

    3. I WILL VOTE against any politician supporting ObamaCare.

    4. I will actively campaign against you the next time you are up for re-election if you don’t stop enforcement of Obama Care!!

    Again, we must hear from you by NOON THURSDAY to be included
    in the first wave of hand-delivered protests. Thanks for
    taking action.

    Steve Elliott
    Grassfire Nation

    P.S. There is no charge for this service. After scheduling
    your protest message, please forward this message to 30-40
    friends urging them to take action.

    • denniso

      Oh boy, more hyperbole and lies…

      • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

        Denniso LIES? show us where the lies are little boy. You are starting to remind me of a little munchkin that sneaks in here and steals cookies after everybody has left. The difference is, you sneak in here like a timid little mouse and spew b s and hope it sticks somewhere.
        Run denniso, run before you get your panties in a bunch and trip trying to escape all us really bad ass righties.

        • denniso

          I’m sure you’re a real tough guy…

          • keith

            and i’m sure your a socialist!

  • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

    I just tested that link above and it said “busy” or could not be found.
    This one will not be as busy.

    http://www.grassfire.net/r.asp?u=26444&RID=23792230

  • Fed Up Gal in NM

    Bob Livingston,

    Thank you for providing this site for readers to review the articles and comments. Is it possible to change the way we are able to view the posts of those commenting? Example: Provide a drop-down menu to allow us to sort posts by the date comment was posted or sort by the poster’s name. Thank you for considering my request; I’m sure others would appreciate such a time-saver as well.

    Fed Up Gal

    • http://www.boblivingstonletter.com/ Bob Livingston

      Dear Fed Up Gal
      Thank you for your comments. In the coming months we will be making many improvements to our site, and a change in the posting procedure is one of them. I have passed your suggestion along to my web team and we’ll see how feasible it is. Whatever they come up with I trust will be less cumbersome. When the articles generate a large response from readers it is difficult to cull out the new comments from those that you’ve already seen.
      Best Wishes,
      Bob

    • JeffH

      Bob Livingston, I too extend my thanks to yourself, Chip Wood and all of your contributors and staff for providing this venue to this very mixed group. I second FedUp’s idea.

    • libertytrain

      Fed Up – I would bet if it is possible/feasible, they will do it or whatever they can to make it a little easier – and I am anxiously looking forward to all the new changes coming in the near future! How exciting!

  • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

    Whoever the ignorant moron was that shot the round through the congressmans window to protest the Obama care bill, YOU ARE —- STUPID! You are only hurting us and the 2nd amendment. When you do stupid sh*t like that you are giving HCI and the “Brady Bunch” more ammunition to use against us.

    IF YOU CAN’T CONTROL YOURSELF, THEN USE A ROCK OR A BRICK, YOU IGNORANT FOOL!!

    • JeffH

      Stephaan, I agree 100%. Never put it past the liberal/Alinsky trained zealots to stage a disaster. There have been many threats against both sides of the fence. Certainly not representative of the moral majority or their progressive counterparts. If you recall during the town hall/tea party protests in Arizona that the liberals did have a “gun toter” with an AR-15, which created quite a stir until it was exposed. I look at these incidents with a vary wary eye.

      • denniso

        Are you blind and deaf?? There are actual cases of vandalism and death threats against Dems around the country…whose doing it? The rabid opposition to the healthcare bill…obvious. You think the Dems are staging this crap? You’re full of it.

        • JeffH

          Don’t even go there DENNISSO. The left never has riots in the streets nor do they threaten any political figures. Wake up and figure it out yourself. Do the G20 summit riots in Pittsburgh ring a bell? Why was no one ever arrested for threatening President Bush at protests, when they displayed signs in public that called for his death? I contend that the media is aggressively reporting on, highlighting and pursuing any and all possible threats to President Obama and Democrats — and even hints of threats — but they purposely glossed over, ignored or failed to report similar threats to President Bush and Republicans.
          http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621

          • JeffH

            Democrats and a few Republicans revealed mounting numbers and unsettling details of threats against them Thursday in the emotional aftermath of the passage of the health care overhaul.

            Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/03/24/national/a151832D20.DTL#ixzz0jIUFd8Le

          • keith

            darn it,you went and did it,called him president.he is NOT the president!he is a marxist dictator and he is not my presedent!i disown him and all who he has put in place,reminds me of hitler and his idiot circle of goons.

        • JeffH

          duh!nisso, after you go to the links I provided, come back and spew your usual bile and tell me I’m wrong. You can’t because you are 100% socialist and 100% wrong!

      • http://www.NRA.com Stephaan

        Jeff;
        You are absolutely correct. I never thought about the liberals staging all this anti- Obamacare crap (the violent part). When you cite the guy with the AR-15 at the TEA Party in Arizona, it reminded me of the 3 Nazis that showed up at ours. They HAD to be plants sent by the liberals. Nazis just don’t exist around here. If the liberals want to play that game, we will have to remember it when WE get a decent piece of legislation passed, and the Liberals start protesting.

  • http://www.Theirsecrets.info Ted McMillan

    Many like you have said that. I’d have to open up a class for guys like you to train you how to discuss on the internet. You left as much evidence of your mental diagnosis and your credentialed right to make it as did other like you left evidence that a defeated dictator was going to destroy us half way around the world with his “mushroom clouds.” I’m talking about the clouds Iran can’t make yet. It seems like my delusions do not destroy the greatest country in the world totally unprotected by a race of fascist psychiatrists.

    Everywhere on the internet I find you. I guess that’s why government leaders now told us, “America is BROKEN.” I was not deluded about the idea that we should chase the greatest conspiracy theory of all time. It was a special conspiracy theory that dwelt behind no-fly-zones in Iraq.

    Being so wrong about such an issue in unprecedented laughingstock-ism, where the greatest country in the world milked off all its resources to finally prove to the world that a defeated dictator is invincible–more insane than burning ashes–is what will cause people who urged such a treasonous activity to now more see I have mental problems.

    Will you urge more wars “FOR MY FREEDOMS” to be mentally ill upon disagreement with a war-criminal?

    Any who supported that war or who defend it should not be on the internet to discuss anything. Only fascists can be that wrong and can participate on the internet and give those who were right more strong mental correction.

    theirsecrets.info

    =====

    NORMAL FASCIST: Please do not get offended by this, but I want to hide as much as possible the fact that when your mother was pregnant with you, she visited Bellevue Hospital. She tripped and fell and then had you. From that time you had a real nack at psychiatry. Unfortunately, on this system with humans reading, there is no sense in pretending you are disrespecting Ted McMillan, when you are actually disrespecting the humans here reading.

    That’s why real bonafide psychiatrists do not even comment with people who are the beneficiaries of wars “FOR OUR FREEDOMS” to agree with NORMAL FASCIST.

    Hey, if I saw 19 hijackers attack America, I would build ONE detention camp–IF EVEN ONE, knowing that it will hold thousands of people. But, fact is, if so many camps can be built copying their free use by the fascist countries, WHY NOT STAFF THEM WITH PSYCHIATRISTS LIKE THOU?

    Please, I know you see the need to disrespect the free human race as the fascists did who regularly had parents who decided to visit Bellevue hospital, but please do not bring that to disrespect the humans on this system again. If you don’t know what to say, scour the world for some more defeated dictators so that you can earn a doctorate in psychiatry. If guys like you had been civil with me before I would have helped you to find paperbags to wear over your heads after being so PARANOID about the sight of no-fly-zones.

    Now you have to worry about PARANOIA you see in me lest it finally destroys this country after your paranoia evidently did.

    theirsecrets.info

    =====

    IN EVERY CASE, when I post, some strange person comes and disrespects all the readers by, instead of posting content and discussion, merely posts that I have mental problems. All such persons are indeed fascists and are the same kinds of people who staged the strange wars, “FOR OUR FREEDOMS” to be mentally diagnosed upon disagreement. NORMAL GUY is just one of them. If we have even the security principles the communists and Nazis always had, as the Patriot Act does, it is only natural we would inherit their propagandists also.

    There is another fundamental common denominator about all such people such as NORMAL GUY. And that is the following:

    Bold public death threats against all non-Catholics.
    http://www.TheirSecrets.info/ac/appealchapi.htm

    People, just after the Patriot Act was established to search the world for terrorists, BOLDLY POSTED that all who are not Catholic should be tortured and killed. EVERY propagandists who disrespects the readers ALWAYS ONLY ATTACKS PEOPLE WHO EXPOSE THESE DEATH THREATS.

  • http://www.Theirsecrets.info Ted McMillan

    There is another fundamental common denominator about all such people such as NORMAL GUY. And that is the following:

    Bold public death threats against all non-Catholics.
    http://www.TheirSecrets.info/ac/appealchapi.htm

    People, just after the Patriot Act was established to search the world for terrorists, BOLDLY POSTED that all who are not Catholic should be tortured and killed. EVERY propagandists who disrespects the readers ALWAYS ONLY ATTACKS PEOPLE WHO EXPOSE THESE DEATH THREATS.

  • http://joeaeverson@hotmail.com Joe A. Everson

    Obama an expert on Constitutional law should know that a usurper is ineligible for the Office of the President. One cannot faithfully execute the Office of the President of the United States because;

    His every act in the usurped Office of the President is a criminal offense as an act under color of law that would subject the People to the deprivation of their constitutional rights, and entitling no obedience whatsoever from the People;
    As a usurper acting in the guise of the President you could not legally function as the Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy and of the militia of the several states, as such forces would be under no legal obligation to remain obedient to you;

    No one in any civilian agency in the Executive Branch would be required to obey any of your proclamations, executive orders or directives, as such orders would be legally VOID;

    Your appointment of Ambassadors and Judges to the Supreme Court would be VOID ab initio (i.e., from the beginning), no matter what subsequent actions the Senate might take as well as rendering any such acts by such appointed officials void as well;

    Congress would not be able to pass any new laws because they would not be able to acquire the signature of a bona fide President, rendering all such legislation legally VOID;

  • Senior Cesar

    THE DEMOCRATIC DEFICIT IS A LOAN

    More than half of America is presently in a pathetic condition due to the Bush administration’s wasteful spending, including spending in an unnecessary war.(Property taxes are abominable) Some people think that the democratic administration also caused the present deficit. Nevertheless, there is a big difference. What is that difference? It is that the Bush’s deficit of whatever trillions was a waste of the treasury’s money. But the necessary additional democratic deficit is an investment toward the recovery to prosperity. “It takes money to make money.” The additional deficit is no wasted money, but money working for the good of this country. If any one has lost the purpose of the investment deficit, it is because ignorance of the reasons for the investments that appear as a democratic deficit which is really a loan for the investment and Recovery Act It is like seeds planted and at its proper time will yield an abundance of fruits, a great harvest – so to speak. So, no democratic deficit is really a deficit but a loan. . A loan appears as money out of pocket, but it will be restore with interest. So is the case of the democratic loans that ignorants and trouble makers see and talk about as additional deficit.

    If it is so, why the president does not tell it to us like that.? He has, but most people do not get the meaning of his educated presidential maneuverings. They just try to make trouble by saying, uh, more deficit! The deficit was this much but now is much more, uh! How unlearned they are! And then they called the ones who know the right techniques to recovery, morons, etcetera. On the contrary, such critics are the morons and whatever else. This recovery act will be the model of the models ever created. America is in good hands with the democrats! The pathetic condition imposed on America by the republicans will be over in due time. The American People have a duty to keep the pachyderm beast dormant without supporting votes for the safety and well being of America. America the beautiful have been rescued by the Democrats from the disintegrating clutches of the republican beast. (That Grip was put on by the supreme court mistaken decision against Al Gore in the year 2000 and also the manipulations of the count of votes four years later to hide the mistake of the supreme court from the American constituents.)(We Democrats are not fools, you know!) However, the “Democratic Party” have successfully ended the beauty and the beast tyrannical and abusive dominion. Once more America have emerged as one nation under God with Liberty and Fairness for all Americans. Yeeeehaaah! Yeeehaaah and Yeeehaah in God’s name.

    • Sheila

      Senoir Cesario;

      As is normal for you, many opinions but no facts!!

      Bush: 8 years, 3 Trillion Dollars

      Obama: 1 year, 9 Trillion Dollars

  • http://msn Mukluks

    Vote the bums out!

  • http://www.theirsecrets.info Ted McMillan

    PARANOIA! The characteristics all the propagandists fascists tell us soils their swastikas. And so NORMAL FASCIST seems to mention that word a great deal and volunteers to tell us what a great mental illness that is.

    THEREFORE: Even back at WACO the ATF saw the women and children in the Branch Davidian compound and then concocted this idea that they must have studied and excelled in Kung Fu at the Shaolin Temple in China and actually beat all the abbots up. They therefore got scared and ordered TANKS and HUNVEES for their protection when they thought the world was about to end. After they shone bright lights to interrupt the sleep of the Branch Davidians and played loud noises of dying rabbits, they then fulfilled the sign of the dying rabbits they gave and killed the Branch Davidians. After they were finished and were being interviewed, they used the word PARANOID a great deal against the concerned citizens who were saying a WTF to them. Not a single mental diagnosis nor any detection of PARANOIA was given to heal the minds of the guys at the ATF.

    Now recently, a brutal dictator was defeated and “bombed into the Stone Age.” The “Conspiracy Theorists” were giggling as they watched Saddam Hussein playing with his rubber-duckey as he was wallowing behind the no-fly-zones. All of a sudden, the self-appointed psychiatrists who always called them PARANOID turned white. Their knees knocked. They couldn’t even hold the condom right anymore. They then cried out: “HE’S GONNA KILL US!”

    Of course, their diagnosed “nutballs” were struggling to convert them to human, BUT THEY MULTIPLIED THEIR MENTAL DIAGNOSES AGAINST THE “PARANOID CONSPIRACY THEORISTS.” They then went in. Unfortunately the “PARANOID CONSPIRACY THEORISTS” were right.

    Now here another test and indicator of fascism. FASCISTS NEVER BLUSH, NEVER RETIRE AND NEVER LEARN. What happened to their mental diagnoses after being that wrong and becoming war criminals? Their free mental diagnoses against the humans MULTIPLIED.

    150 QUESTIONS THAT CAN SAVE LIVES:
    http://www.Theirsecrets.info

  • Joe

    As I read this article and hear Bob speak, I cannot help but wonder why Thomas Jefferson’s ilk OWNED slaves? Do you and all your friends condone slavery?

  • Fed Up Gal in NM

    You’re right about that Senior Cesar…..it’s a loan alright…from the taxpayers or maybe from China….pick one….neither is good.

    Fed Up Gal

  • keith

    you know as i was watching a documentry tonight on the early years of hitler and the events leading up to the night of the long knives,i see a distinct paralell that i saw while watching it.
    hitler spread lies that those who opposed him where political terrorists and where a dangerous threat.he even had this lie printed in the papers of the time and when he had the people fooled enough he released his ss brownshirts under the cover of night.
    now comrad obama and his fellow socialist marxists are doing the same to the tea partiers and those who are getting loud.you can see it,same crap,different time,same tactics.he is speading lies,negative propaganda,to try and convince the populance in conus and abraod that we conservatives and loyal patriots are the threat.
    same ol sh*t!they did the same in ww-1 and the same pattern was used by ALL the narcississtic dicktators that have come along.
    think about it!i did’nt dawn on me untill i watched the politcal tactics of adolph.i see the same thing happening here.

    • keith

      and like now he had control of news papers and radio,only now it’s t.v.hitler gained control of the major media of the time,same thing this marxist is doing now.like he did then,he had a class of people fooled who thought he was on their side.he is snake,a lieing marxist radical hell bent on forcing HIS will on anyone and everyone.he could care LESS about the constitution or individual rights!HE’S A RADICAL MARXIST DICTATOR!look who he has surrounded himself with!!!!!he’s a freakkin MUSLIM!we the people don’t mean NOTHING to him!!!!DAMN,WAKE UP LIBRALS!!!CAN’T YOU SEE WHAT HE IS??????????

      • keith

        come this election,there is going to be a LOT of democrats out of a job!!!!!!

        • Fed Up Gal in NM

          Keith,

          That’s my prayer for hope and change!!!!!

          Fed Up Gal

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