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Restaurant Offers Discount For Church Bulletin, Atheist Files Discrimination Suit

July 16, 2012 by  

Restaurant Offers Discount For Church Bulletin, Atheist Files Discrimination Suit
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An atheist doesn't want this restaurant to offer discounts in exchange for church bulletins.

It’s common practice in many small towns for a restaurant to offer a discount to the church crowd. Bring a bulletin; get a cheap lunch. Even Chick-fil-A has been known to get in on the action. But that all might change if a man in Pennsylvania gets his way.

John Wolff, an atheist, has filed a discrimination lawsuit with Lost Cajun Kitchen in Columbia, Pa. The locally owned restaurant offers a 10 percent discount to patrons who bring in a church bulletin. Wolff doesn’t think it’s fair.

Wolff is claiming that he has been offered different service because of his religious beliefs.

“I did this not out of spite, but out of a feeling against the prevailing self-righteousness that stems from religion, particular in Lancaster County,” Wolff explained.

“I don’t consider it an earth-shaking affair, but in this area in particular, we seem to have so many self-righteous religious people, so it just annoys me.”

Wolff has never been to the restaurant. He just saw the promotion advertised on Lost Cajun Kitchen’s website. He then informed the Freedom From Religion Foundation, an organization that is “committed to the cherished principle of separation of state and church.”

Co-owner Sharon Prudhomme received two letters from the Freedom From Religion Foundation in 2011, but she blew them off. Wolff then contacted the Human Relations Commission.

Prudhomme can’t ignore the objections any longer. The State of Pennsylvania has written a 16-page complaint, accusing the restaurant of discrimination.

“It’s not a big deal in itself and I have no animosity towards Prudhomme’s, but I do bear a grudge against a religious right that seems to intrude on our civil rights,” said Wolff.

Prudhomme claims that she doesn’t go to church. The tactic is just a marketing ploy. The restaurant has also been known to offer discounts to children and senior citizens.

“I’m an American. This is an independent restaurant. I can do as I wish and I’m going to continue to offer the church-bulletin discount,” says Prudhomme.

Bryan Nash

Staff writer Bryan Nash has devoted much of his life to searching for the truth behind the lies that the masses never question. He is currently pursuing a Master's of Divinity and is the author of The Messiah's Misfits, Things Unseen and The Backpack Guide to Surviving the University. He has also been a regular contributor to the magazine Biblical Insights.

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  • Beth

    I’m sorry but should we start filing discrimination suits to the venues who give discounts to the elderly and military families on certain days as well?? Come on…some people are always looking for somewhere to start a fight or to be heard…

    • FreedomFighter

      Athiests, satanists, Muslims and other hate groups are always attacking Christians, because it is the true Faith.

      Laus Deo
      Semper Fi

      • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.754 Benjamin Fox

        Amen to that Freedom Fighter, I’m with you, the ACLU The American Communist Legal Unucks, the last misspelled on purpose, LOL Semper Fi, jarhead:

      • ginger

        Amen and again I say Amen.

  • Radical Rabbi

    How sad that private enterprise cannot be just that. No one is being forced to bring a bulletin from a church, the eatery itself has no church affiliation; it is as the owners said, a marketing ploy; in and by itself is no problem. Then you have someone who has never eaten there but is disgusted by the sign. It reminds me of something Brad Stine, Christian comedian had to say on the subject. “Which seems more unreasonable, a man who believes in a God he cannot see or a man who is offended by a God he doesn’t even believe in?”

    • w mckinley

      I once knew a man in th Army who said he didn’t believe in God, but yet every other word out of his mouth was Go

    • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.754 Benjamin Fox

      Amen Rabbi; free enterprise is being wiped out by the Communist government. God Bless:

  • Gary L

    There is no discrimination going on here. Anybody, including the this jack-ass filing the suit, can go to any church around the country and get a church bulletin. Everyone has the same opportunity to abtain a bulletin. Some people are just stuck on stupid including our judges and lawyers.

    • Fritz

      Great comment Gary. I have always said that there is not such thing as an atheist. To believe that there is no god, you first have to believe that there is a God.

      • TML

        “To believe that there is no god, you first have to believe that there is a God.”

        So to say there is no invisible pink unicorn, I have to first believe there is one? Sorry, but that’s about the most ignorant thing Ive ever heard.

        As for the idiot Mr. Wolff… seriously? Go get a damn church bulletin and shut up.

      • Robert Smith

        Well, the pink part is easily a myth.

        However: unicorns are not born, but made, developed by the ancients to be herd leaders and protectors.”

        And so Lancelot was made in modern times by Oberon Zell and sold to Barnum and Bailey Circus.

        From: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1985-10-18/entertainment/8503110287_1_lancelot-ringling-brothers-animal

        Unicorns were and are real developed for a purpose. The mythology grew, just as it has for many other animals.

        Rob

      • Firefight

        TML
        I think the real arguemant from non-believers is that God does not exist and he did not create the universe and all within the universe. This would tend to infer that the non-believer believes that everything was created from nothing. Does that make any sense at all? How can ANYTHING be created from NOTHING?

      • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

        Or, how can Nothing, create Something out of Nothing? Conversely, can Something, create Something from Nothing? Consider the term; Infinite, as it relates to our current subject, the “cause” of our space/universe/life. It is a term often misunderstood and misused.

        Metaphysical/Philosophical/Religious definition of Infinite/Finite:

        Infinite: Having no beginning/always was/God.
        Finite: Having a beginning. Not having always-exsisted.

        Mathematical/Scientific/Empirical definition of Infinite/Finite:

        Infinite: limitless or endless in space, extent, or size; impossible to measure or calculate.

        Finite: having limits or bounds, having a specific tense, number, and person.

        We often refer to our space/universe using the mathematical term, “Infinite”, by that, we mean, indefinitely-large, expansive, perhaps limitless, and this is a true statement, but our universe is certainly not “infinite”, since it never always was/existed. We can all agree, that the universe came into existence, or began, at a specific point in time, therefore, we must refer to our universe as, “finite”, or having had a beginning. Naturally, this begs the question; if the universe once, never was, and now is; what is/was the cause, of its existence?

        As to the “cause” of our universe, we assert two, possibilities;

        1. a Creator: metaphysical-assertion.

        2. a process, or, evolution: scientific, or quasi-metaphisycal assertion.

        If we know with certainty, that our universe is finite, having had a beginning, it is then logically permissible to assert that the “cause” for/of its beginning/existence, be “infinite”. For how can “finite”, be the “cause” of “finite”? This is logically absurd, as it violates the metaphysical definition of “finite”; “not having always existed”.

        The cause of our universe, therefore, must be, “Infinite/having always existed”!

        Hence, the two competing-assertions as to the “cause” of our universe/life;

        1. Deistic/Theistic/Christian/Scientists: “Creator/Creation”.

        2. Atheistic/Secular/Scientists: “Evolution”.

        But the problem persists. How can either assertion be confirmed/verified? By what method? Empirical science? Impossible! Why?

        Because, the empirical/scientific/method to confirm or disqualify a assertion, is based on, concerned with, or verifiable by observation or experience, rather than theory or pure logic.

        Since both, Creation/Evolution cannot be, and were not, observed/witnessed, therefore, science, or the scientific-imperical-method is an impotent measuring-tool, at best, illogical to assume that it can be, at worst!

        But the question remains…if science cannot provide us with confirmation as to the “cause” of life, who, or what, can?

        To some, the answer has been provided by the “Infinite/God”, through His written revelation to man, the “Holy Scriptures”.

        To some, Atheist/Agnostics, the answer has provided by “Science”.

        To some, Atheist/Agnostics, are of the position that neither, “Holy Writ”, or “Science”, are sufficient, or qualified tools/disciplines to answer the question. Their quest for the answer, continues.

        And a considerable number, just simply don’t care, or consider the question not worth the asking.

        As for me and my household…we will serve the Lord. -Joshua 24:15

  • http://PersonalLibertyalerts Beverly

    Wolff should wake up and realize there is nothing in the constitution about separation of church and state, it says the government can’t force a certain religion on us. Religious freedom. These atheist are so comsumed with hate and jealousy they will try anything. Could it be we just don’t want you around?

    • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.754 Benjamin Fox

      Beverly; atheistism is a religion, so says the Supreme Court, so what is their problem?

      • Firefight

        The Supreme court is wrong. In order for any group to call themselves a religious group, they must believe in a diety of some sort. Athiest have no such diety and thus are only a cult that denies the existance of a creator. What an awakening they have coming.

      • JimH

        Benjamin, Maybe if the athiests statated there Church of Atheism, they could print their owm bulletin and get a disciunt on their Sunday dinner. Even if Sunday is just another day to them.

  • Patriot1776

    Every day in the local paper there are various coupons for local businesses. I do not choose to purchase the local paper, therefore I do not have access to the coupons. Is that discrimination? No, it is my choice, just as it is this man’s choice not to obtain a bulletin and participate in this businesses discount. Hurray for the Prudhomme’s willingness to stand against this one man’s anti-American view. Hopefully all of the Christians in their area will support them and show that the majority do not share his warped view. He has the freedom to not go to their restaurant.

    • ginger

      You have hit the nail on the head. Your statement has been a homerun. Power of choice. Isn’t it wonderful? If only everyone used this power wisely. I hope people will stand behind this restaurant against this frivolous lawsuit or some judge may get this case that wants the media attention and it will become a big case for him/her. Someone reminded me that this would be a civil or human rights case and not a case a grand jury (criminal cases) would decide to go forward to a jury. They also stated that a judge could throw it out. Thanks for correcting me on my statement.

  • http://peresonallibertydigest.. gottaplenty

    It is a sad day to say the least ,when just one out of thousands of people is allowed to change a custom that has prevailed for a long time. An idiot that had not been invited to the party is discriminated against. This is a matter of free choice, one that has infuriated the liberal retards forever,. At any time they are left out of control they can find the answers , either discrimination racism or church and state. In most cases it is no buisness of thiers what so ever but cant stay out of other people’s buisness. and get away with it. Why?

  • Congress Works For Us

    Maybe I am stating the obvious, but he doesn’t eat there, so he hasn’t been harmed, so he has no standing…

    • Nadzieja Batki

      The media jumped on his bandwagen so now the whole country knows.

    • afdbghq

      First, if this man has never eaten at this particular restaurant then he has no basis for a discrimination law suite. Secondly, if they offer a discount for everyone who comes to the restaurant riding a bicycle will he claim discrimination because he does not have a bicycle. Or what if they offered a discount for everyone on their 65th birthday, will he claim discrimination because he is not 65. The list could go on and on but the bottom line is that any business may offer a discount for whatever reason they want. If they refuse to honor a particular discount then the person could possibly claim discrimination. If a judge upholds this mans claim I think the good people of the city should tar and feather the judge and ride him out of town on a rail.

      • mn1013

        AMEN!

  • Ted Crawford

    Being a Deist, I’m continually amazed by these, so called, Atheists ! Atheist–n: one who denies the existance of God ! How could they be true Atheists and constantly cower in fear, of something they claim doesn’t exist ? I know, they don’t admit that it’s fear, but rather an issue of discrimination and civil rights. If that were true, they would also be required to protest against extra consideration for the Young, the Old, the Disabled, the Veteran, ETC.!
    Only one of two real possibilities exist here, either they do fear, what they claim to be, a nonexistand Diety, or they wish to force everybody else to believe their way ! In any case most of them ,known to me at least, display many psychotic disorders; Paranoia, Disallusionment, even Schizophrenia ! What they never display is any form of Tolerance, especially considering that they can provide no more proof that God doesn’t exist than the Christian can that he does !

    • rural dweller

      It is out of fear that they complain…they don’t want to be reminded of what
      they fear….they would like for all “Godly” things to be stricken from the public
      square…so they don’t have to be reminded of what their real problem is….
      rebellion against God.

      Do you think they have a problem with Islam, Buddahism, etc….NO!
      Only God. The Christian one. Why? Because in their heart of hearts, they
      know it is true. They are too arrogant / prideful….to submit.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “rural dweller,”

        AS AN ATHEIST, I BELIEVE ALL DEITIES ARE FAKE. Jesus Christ HAS NO MORE REALISM THAN, Buddha, ETC.

        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    • dabudamasta

      Ted. Atheist comes in several flavors. One flavor denies the existence of a personal deity. A deity that can interact and respond to ones prayer or request to intervene by performing a miracle similar to that of the Abrahamic deity. I am assume your deity is the creator god of the universe, who decide to leave universe on its own without interventions. If that is the case, your deism is also a flavor of atheism. So Ted you are just an atheist in disguise.

  • victor hamel

    There is one saying that comes to Mind, when i hear anything from a so called Atheist and that is…Misery loves company, They are lonely People.

  • Jerry Piggott

    What a whining cry-baby. He needs to get a life of his own and stop trying to force his almost non-existent selfish attitude on the bulk of normal Americans. If there is any discrimination going on here on the part of the restaurant, it’s that against stupidity and arogance. If this buy was to ever be acused of having any level of common sense or normalcy, there wouldn’t be enough evidence to indict him let alone convict him.

    • http://www.facebook.com/larry.kemp.31 Larry K.

      that idiot needs a good punch in the nose every time he sticks it in somebody’s business.

  • http://gravatar.com/bychoosing Jay

    To few Americans is Antonio Gramsci a familiar name. That is to be regretted because the work of the late Italian Marxist sheds much light on our time.

    It was he who first alerted fellow revolutionaries to the possibility that they would be able to complete the seizure of political power only after having achieved “cultural hegemony,” or control of society’s intellectual life by cultural means alone.

    His was an incremental, rather than an apocalyptic, revolution-the kind, that is, that we have been witnessing in the United States, and the Western world generally, since the 1960s. With this in mind, we ought not to treat the contemporary “culture war” lightly; the fate of what remains of civilized life may well be decided by its outcome.

    Few Leftists now adhere strictly to the original tenets of Marxism, or even to those of Marxist Revisionism, but, what is every bit as dangerous, they, like Gramsci, often succumb to a temptation that appears to be irresistible to those who dream utopian dreams: the passion for negation that often shades into nihilism.

    Utopianism and nihilism may seem to be antithetical, but they are not; both derive from the same source-undying hatred of the world as it is.

    Much of contemporary American culture has as its aim the trampling of moral and aesthetic standards that were once all but universally acknowledged, even when they were being violated. With few exceptions, contemporary movies, television shows, and popular music portray Judeo-Christian morality as laughable at best and tyrannical at worst.

    To hear them tell it, America is in danger of becoming a theocracy governed by the “Religious Right.” This despite the fact that the reigning culture is pagan through and through. It therefore assumes casual or impersonal sex to be the norm; feeds the public’s increasing appetite for sexual perversion; depicts all fictional tyrannies as “right wing”; and pollutes the public square with scatological language. Only in rare cases are the purveyors of this “culture” challenged; and then, like the egregious Howard Stern, they pose as persecuted defenders of free speech and command even more money.

    Almost no one-Judge Robert Bork is an honorable exception-has had the courage to make the case for censorship, in part because of the widespread, but utterly mistaken, belief that there exists a “right of free expression” that is absolute.

    Another oft-repeated, but spurious, argument against censorship is that “you don’t have to watch (or read or listen to) it.” Others, however, do and even those who are not motivated thereby to commit crimes-think only of the Littleton, Colorado murderers-are coarsened by it and thus contribute to a further lowering of public taste, with what consequences for individual, often young, lives we have reason to know.

    Those who can endure a veritable torrent of linguistic vulgarity will find Tom Wolfe’s recent novel, I am Charlotte Simmons, instructive in this regard.

    Following Gramsci, Leftists know that Christianity remains the greatest obstacle to their total victory in the culture war. “The civilized world had been thoroughly saturated with Christianity for 2000 years,” the Italian had written; something, he insisted, had to be done about that, and something has.

    The de-Christianizing of America and the West that he advocated is by now well underway. Inspired by the anti-Christian French Revolutionary calendar, publishers now insist upon the secular “B.C.E.” (Before the “Common Era”-whatever that means) rather than “B.C.” and “C.E.” (the Common Era) rather than “A.D.” Booksellers, popular magazines, and television treat with respect anti-Christian screeds such as The DaVinci Code.

    Courts, including the Supreme Court, declare most displays of the Decalogue to be “unconstitutional.” The media repeat the mantra according to which Islam is “the religion of peace” (daily evidence to the contrary notwithstanding), find nothing to criticize in Buddhism, and remain “non-judgmental” concerning scientology and other cults, while at the same time they portray Christianity as the religion of “crusaders,” bigots, and yahoos.

    Members of the Christian clergy have themselves joined in the relentless attack on orthodox Christianity.

    Few thoughtful people deny that we are living in a time of decline. Judge Bork entitled one of his books Slouching Towards Gomorrah: Modern Liberalism and American Decline. Pat Buchanan recently published The Death of the West.

    The only question that remains is: Is the decline reversible? There are a few signs of hope, including the much commented upon challenge to the “mainstream” media presented by talk radio, bloggers, and Fox News. That is something, but not enough.

    Gramsci counseled his side to begin a “long march through the institutions,” by which he meant the capture of the cinema, theater, schools, universities, seminaries, newspapers, magazines, radio, television, and courts. It is past time to begin a long march in a new and better direction. -Lee Congdon, Ph.D.

    • Chester

      Jay, the BCE came about as a result of Judaism disagreeing with Christianity about Christ’s existence. Consequently, anything originally classed as BC, or Before Christ, is now BCE, or before the common era, where Judaism and Christianity have co-existed. AD, or Anno Domini, translated as The Year of our Lord, is now Common Era, where the two religions co-exist in reasonable harmony

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Chester,”

        GOOD COMMENTS – YET, “Jay,” DOES HAVE A POINT IN SAYING, “Before Common Era,” MAKES NO SENSE. FROM THE STANDPOINT OF ANCIENT HISTORY, “BC” (“Before Christ”) PROVIDES A CLEAR-DIVIDING LINE IF YOU BELIEVE Jesus of Nazereth WAS A HUMAN WHO LIVED ON EARTH FOR THIRTY-THREE YEARS.

        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

  • kona

    What a crock! Mr. Wolff acting like an idiot and then the State of Pennsylvania writing a 16 page letter accusing an independent business person of discrimination is the height of idiocy!! Doesn’t this State have more important things to do on their agenda? Mr. Wolff must be a looking for his 5 minutes of fame. Why doesn’t Mr. Wolff open his own atheist restaurant and offer discounts to any nut case who wants to eat there.

    • http://www.facebook.com/billy.j.coleman.1 Billy J Coleman

      I am 78 yrs. old , and if i remember right , in the early 1940′s we lost a lot fighting Men to keep the communist out of this great country, ,,,, and now i can see that they are taking over a little at a time, and trying to leave God out in the cold , MAY GOD BLESS THE U.S.A.
      Billy J.Coleman

  • http://loboviejo.wordpress.com loboviejo

    This is a restaurant. There is no allegation that service is denied. If a restauranteur–and we are not talking about a giant chain–chooses to offer a discount to members of a certain group, whether it be a service club or school (fifty percent off with your Firebird supporter ID) this is a preference. If the sign were “No one admitted on Sunday without a church bulletin” there might be a case. If said Mr Wolff were to lose and have fees assessed it might stem his fervor.

    Frivolous lawsuits are the result of too many lawyers and stupid juries.

    • ginger

      Why would anyone object to a God they don’t even believe exists? Only one reason. They want everyone to believe like they do so they won’t feel guilty about not believing in something they say they don’t believe in to start with. Confusing isn’t it? Why sue over the rights of a business owner to operate a business the way that will help them make a living from that business. I like discounts even when others get them and I don’t. This is called freedom for all. I can choose to go to that business or I can choose to go somewhere esle. Choices….We all make them every day. Our courts are tied up in this kind of attention seeking lawsuits every day. They should be thrown out by those voters that are called for grand jury duties to determine if there is enough evidence to send them to a court trial.

      • Chief Boring

        Amen!

      • http://loboviejo.wordpress.com loboviejo

        People for the American Way and similar anti religion organizations posit that our First Amendment mandates a French Style secularism where religion is “tolerated” but must not be allowed any sort of public expression.
        Grand juries are part of the criminal justice system. What they are seeking here is a remedy in civil tort law or some sort of human rights ordinance. A judge can dismiss this summarily.

  • Armen Kartvelian

    Will people who attend the theatre or concerts soon be unable to show their stubs for a discount on a post-event drink or meal? Will people who enter the restaurant with children no longer get a discount on their kids’ meals? And on St. Pat’s Day, will there no longer be discounts for wearing Green?

    Now these don’t bear the odor of religion, so the situation is different, eh?

    Of course, someone could stand outside the restaurant and pass out church bulletins to all comers.

    I’m sure that with a little thought the restaurateur can devise a way to continue the practice without church bulletins. A bible, for example. Even an atheist can own a bible, but how likely is that?

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “Armen Kartvelian,”

      I LIKED YOUR COMMENTS BEFORE THE LAST PARAGRAPH.

      CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

  • Kate8

    This brings up a pet peeve of mine of late.

    How about this issue of stores, from bigger-box supermarkets, now to many locally owned pet stores and such, going to the “rewards card” marketing ploy.

    First it was the supermarket stores, issuing those little scannable cards you kept on your keyring. Super-saver cards. Seemed innocent enough.

    Now, in order to get the better prices, you have to fill out member cards, give all your private information. Otherwise, you can shop there, but will pay twice the price.

    This has taken over most all of our local stores now, and I assume everywhere else, too. Places I’ve shopped for years to get bargains, now require I fill out a store card or pay more. Either that, or, with a card, you get little kick-backs.

    The problem I have with this is that it is obvious where this is going. This is all about keeping a record of all of our purchases, so that our every move and purchase can be tracked. Soon, we won’t be able to buy at all without being in the system, so forget using cash and remaining anonymous.

    I have told several stores to keep their products…I’ll go somewhere else from now on. And, I tell them why, and they look at me like I’m a Martian. But, unless MANY more of us wake up to this, it will continue to spread. No doubt there is some mandate about this.

    This is leading to all of us being tracked every moment. They can track your purchases against your income and see if they like the way you spend your money. They can even deny you purchasing ability. Now, it’s a card, or some other form of identification. Next, we’ll have to be chipped, or we cannot buy or sell…

    The bottom line is, yes, I do feel discriminated against for not wanting a “member card”. Going elsewhere is fine, except that it is getting to be that there is no elsewhere to go.

    • http://PersonalLibertyAlert Beverly

      You haven’t heard the latest, I guess. They want to implant a chip in us to track our medical history. Part of Obamacare. That aught to put you over the edge.

      • Kate8

        Beverly – Oh, yes…I am aware. In fact, it is to be completed by Feb. 2013.

        That means, it’s already begun. Millions are chipped already around the world. India has been chipping their population for some time now.

      • MAP

        Some believe this is ‘the mark of the beast’.

      • DavidL

        Why are you so gullible?

        http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/microchip.asp

        Here is what YOU get from the Health Reform Act that you didn’t have before it became law:

        • Being a woman is no longer a “pre-existing condition.” Yes, women were denied coverage for just being women before the Affordable Care Act was law.
        • Insurance companies can’t charge you more for being a woman either. Before the Affordable Care Act was law, women were sometimes charged up to 150% more than men of the same age.
        • Breast cancer screenings, cervical cancer screenings, domestic violence counseling and screenings and a whole bunch of other preventive care measures must be covered by insurance companies.
        • Birth control is now covered by health insurance.
        • Children can stay on their parents’ health insurance until they’re 26 years old. And if you want to have kids, the law will help you get pre-natal care and counseling and help with breast feeding and supplies too.
        And here are some of the important benefits for everyone.2
        • Insurance companies can’t take away your coverage if you become too sick.
        • You cannot be denied insurance coverage because of a pre-existing condition.

        • http://PersonalLibertyAlert Beverly

          David, David, David you have spent all this time making a list of things yet to come. Once you understand the whole Obamacare you will change your tune. 80% of doctors polled are thinking of getting out of the business of healthcare so who I ask is going to tend to all these new people? Secondly I do not want to pay for birth control for the purpose of preventing birth, if it is for a condition that makes a woman healthier then prove it. Breast screening has always been free and as a women I have not been charged more than a man in my whole life and I have always had health insurance. If the healthcare law is repealed then the preexisting conditions and the children staying on the parents policy is going to stay. As far as prenatal care, why in the world would a women need that unless of course she is one of those babies having babies, in that case let her parents help her take care of the child or give it up for adoption. Yes the chip is real do some research instead of spouting off things other people have told you to say.

    • Thomas

      The stores want your info bu that doesn’t mean you have to give it. i have several of those discount cards that are filled out to Paul nobody 555 Nowhere Lane Nowhere, USA 00000 They can track that guy all they want. HAHAHA

      • Kate8

        Thomas – What a great idea!

        Being a person who believes in honesty/truthfulness, I never thought of that. But I don’t have a problem with doing it that way.

        Reminds me of when the 5th census taker came to my door (after I refused to talk to the other 4, they sent a super). He insisted that I give my name and phone # so I could be contacted. When I continued to refuse, he but down Mary Smith and the phone # for the field office!

        I got a kick out of that one.

        Not that they couldn’t have found my real name and phone# by just doing a bit of research, since they had my address already. But at least I made them work for it.

      • afdbghq

        Kate8 – On every form that asks for my nationality I always check other and write in American because that is what I consider myself to be. Part of the reason for this is that I have many different cultural and ethnic backgrounds in by makeup. But the main reason is that I was born in the USA so therefore I am an American.

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “Kate8,”

      AT MEMPHIS-AREA Kroger Food Stores, IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A Kroger Plus Card, THE CASHIER WILL LET YOU USE HERS/HIS.

      CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      • Kate8

        CHRISTOPHER – I depends on the cashier.

        I have bought outdoor plant pots at Rite Aid every year at their half-off sale.

        This year, I went in as usual to make my purchases, and was told that I had to get a store card or else pay full price. I told her to keep her pots and I’d never shop there again.

        Then, I went in to CVS (used to be Long’s) because I needed something that everyone else was out of (I live in a small town). They asked for my store-member card, and I told her I don’t have one. She told me I could not get the “special price” without it. I grudgingly paid the full price because I was in a pinch, but told her I’d never shop there if I had to have a card.

        Even the local pet store requires my personal info for me to get the “good prices”.

        I’ve really had it with this nonsense. We should be able to purchase whatever we want without having to indentify ourselves.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Kate8,”

        I HEAR YA. I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON HOW “SLICK” A PERSON IS. AT MEMPHIS’ Sam’s Club, A MEMBER CAN BRING A GUEST; THAT GUEST CAN PURCHASE MERCHANDISE USING THE MEMBER’S CARD. THIS IS A COMMON PRACTICE AMONGST EXTENDED FAMILY AND CLOSE FRIENDS. PEOPLE OFTEN SAY, “I”ll treat you to dinner [or, give you a hundred dollars] if you let me use your Sam’s Card to buy a $2,000 television, etc.”

        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

  • http://google john p.

    this is America our country was built on Religion and the
    to be leave in GOD. if you don’t be leave keep your mouth
    shut . or better yet get out of my country you sorry idiot .
    there are all kinds of stupid idiots who has nothing better
    to do but crying about something they can’t understand .
    I my self don’t go to church. but i do pray to god every day
    and i do be leave in god and I’m no hypocrite .

    • Chester

      John P., This country was built on the right to believe in any God you choose, or none at all, YOUR choice, not the state’s. Now if YOU have a problem with that, you are most kindly invited to move to one of the Arab states, where you are obligated to believe in not only God, but Mohammed as his messenger, and Christ a step or two below that.

      • http://PersonalLibertyAlert Beverly

        Chester I think what John P is saying is. Don’t live here and try to change what one considers their God. What Wolff is trying to do is erase religion from America along with a lot of people that say they believe in God but really don’t. Our country is a christian country, that doesn’t mean everyone has to believe as a christian but our laws and moral make-up are based on Christianity and that shouldn’t be changed. People who move here know this is a Christian country but want to change that. If their way was so good why did they leave where they were?

      • 45caliber

        Chester:

        Actually this country was built to allow you to worship your God any way you chose. It was not built to allow you to believe in the god of your choice or none at all.

  • CEO

    The bulletin is a coupon.

    If you want the discount get the coupon.

    How about military discounts? How about senior discouts? How about kids eat free discounts? How about loyalty reward programs?

    How about just reducing the price for everyone and forget about the discounting schemes?

    • Wumingren

      People respond to marketing ploys that offer a discount. People who might ordinarily just stay home and make their own lunch might be persuaded to go out for a meal deal. Businesses that offer deals are trying to get those people to come in and try the fare, and if they like it, maybe they’ll come back again. Also, there are days when business is off, which accounts for mid-week specials. In order to pay for the day’s overhead, businesses need some foot traffic. Even if they are making a marginal profit, it is better than no profit at all. Also, in the case of restaurants, those with the most cars in the parking lot or the most tables filled are deemed to be better eateries than those with few cars in the lots. Thus, offering deals attracts not just the deal-seekers but also other customers who respond to the full house. It has been my experience that the food and service provided in packed restaurants is usually superior to that offered at the empty place next door. Now, if you want to eat really good food, check out which restaurants attract the most police cars at lunch time. Then, not only are you getting good food, but the presence of all the LEOs should make for a very secure meal as well.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Wumingren,”

        I DISAGREE. CROWDED RESTAURANTS INDICATE CHEAP PRICES – NOT, GOOD FOOD. PEOPLE WITH TEN MILLION CHILDREN GO TO CHEAP RESTAURANTS. IT IS MY EXPERIENCE RESTAURANTS WITH TASTY FOOD ARE KEPT “SECRET” IN ORDER TO AVOID PEOPLE WITH TEN MILLION CHILDREN.

        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        • Wumingren

          Apparently you eat a different sorts of restaurants than I do.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Wumingren,”

        I LIKE TO STAY AWAY FROM “BUFFET-STYLE” RESTAURANTS AND I AVOID SEAFOOD RESTAURANTS ON WEEKENDS, BECAUSE OF LARGE CROWDS. I PREFER DINING-OUT ON WEEK-NIGHTS. CROWDS ARE VIRTUALLY NON-EXISTANT AT, “A la carte” RESTAURANTS, UNLESS IT IS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO A “HOT AREA” OF TOWN.

        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        • Wumingren

          Okay, then. Maybe we do frequent the same types of restaurants. I never go to buffets, Chinese or American, because they are just not fine dining, and I don’t care to have adults, let alone kids, picking through the food. I don’t go to fast food joints, either. So, what I was talking about are the places where you have to either wait to be seated or have a reservation. Cloth napkins, etc. I was just in Salt Lake City for a convention and discovered a great Japanese restaurant called Takashi. It reminded me of the years I spent in Japan, as the food was authentic and the service was superb. Even though it was quite busy and noisy, my family and I enjoyed the place immensely.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Wumingren,”

        I LIKE A LITTLE ORIENTAL FOOD; YET, RESTAURANT PORTIONS ARE SO SMALL. BEING FROM THE SOUTH, I LIKE “HEARTY” MEALS. ITALIAN AND MEXICAN RESTAURANTS HAVE THE BEST PORTIONS. I AM NOT A BIG FAN OF DESSERT, BUT, I MUST HAVE A “HEARTY” ENTREE.

        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        • Wumingren

          Ah, Cajun food would make a good repast, and it was the first place we went to on our first night in SLC. I had a real hankerin’ for hush puppies, corn bread, blackened catfish, spicey mudbugs, and more. But the “no one under 21″ sign kept us from entering with our daughters, aged 9 and 10. Bummer.

  • nanc

    You say, you did this not out of spite, Right!!!! give me another song and dance. YOU poor baby.

  • chuck

    The MINORITY always win, The WHITE HOUSE, THE CONGRESS, and THE SENATE, all listen to the minority and not the majority,

  • skippy

    WHAT A PATHETIC BOOB YOU ARE MR. WOLFF………….

  • http://yahoo Bill

    religion is a belief in God, athetism is a belief there is no God. Both are belief’s thus there are both religion’s, and one should not ben favored over the other. If we can not mention God then the courts are favoring thier belief’s over ours

    • dabudamasta

      Yes Bill, you are correct. Atheism is a religion that do not believe in a religion. It’s sort of being unemployed is one’s employment. Or fasting is eating.

  • 45caliber

    Why is he being discriminated against? He can still go to a church and pick up a bulletin. He doesn’t need to be a Christian or even a member to go. Is he stating that Atheism is a religion? If so, then does his religion have “churches” and meet every week?

    It sounds as if there is a personal problem to me.

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “45caliber,”

      IT WOULD BE UNSAVORY TO WALK-IN A CHURCH’S DOORS, PICK-UP A BULLETIN AND THEN, WALK-OUT. BEING ATHEIST DOES NOT MEAN YOU LACK MANNERS.

      CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      • 45caliber

        Chris:

        I didn’t say that he had to walk out. He would be welcome to sit through the service. And if he wants the discount that much, he shouldn’t complain about “paying” for it.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “45caliber,”

        I GO TO A LOT OF FUNERALS. BECAUSE I VIEW THE Bible AS A SCHOLARLY PIECE OF LITERATURE, I GIVE THE PREACHER WHO IS SPEAKING MY ATTENTION – OUT OF COURTESY. MOST ATHEISTS IN THAT SITUATION WOULD “TURN THEIR EARS OFF.”

        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

  • texastwin827

    The discount violates his “religious beliefs”? Atheists don’t believe in religion so how are his “religious” beliefs violated?

    Guess the AARP discounts to seniors are next….he could claim “age discrimation” on that one.

    • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

      “texastwin827,”

      ALL PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE OLDER YOU GET, THE LESS ACTIVE YOU BECOME. ATHEISTS HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH SENIOR DISCOUNTS. ON THE OTHER HAND, VETERAN’S DISCOUNTS CREATE A PROBLEM FOR ATHEISTS BECAUSE OF VETERANS’ SUPPORT FOR WAR AND THE IDEOLOGY BEHIND THAT WAR.

      CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

  • http://yahoo mytwocentswrth

    Atheists and Gays, always the victims.

  • http://www.facebook.com/benjamin.fox.754 Benjamin Fox

    All Wolff has to do is walk into the church, get a bullintin and walk out and he gets 10% off, so he is a complete idiot at best, he being a atheist makes him religious according to the law, so get over it.

  • http://survivingurbancrisis.wordpress.com Silas Longshot

    You tell ‘em lady, it’s your business, run it as you please.
    This is strictly a Christian persecution case, particularly from some clown that’s never even set foot in your restaurant, because your ‘bulletin discount’ is no more discriminatory than grocery store cupons. Some use ‘em, some don’t. He has no more legal gripe than someone who doesn’t get junk mail grocery store cupons because of choice, he chose NOT to use them. So why should he get away with suing Kroger because he didn’t get the discount vs those who did opt for the cupons?

    Surviving Urban Crisis.

  • ROGEr, Irish-Canadian LIBERTARIAN

    I am an ATHEIST also BUT as a LIBERTARIAN I cannot agree with John Wolff. Not withstanding the law, which might be an ass, as most laws are, in this situation EVERYONE including businesses have a RIGHT to DISCRIMINATE on their own property and in their own space.

    Discrimination is STUPID but nowhere in the American or Canadian Constitution does it say ONLY smart people have rights.

    If an individual doesnt like the discrimination, his/her ONLY RIGHT is not to associate or patronize the discriminating person or business. If enough people do that you can be sure the Business will change it’s policy

  • Franklyn Molina

    Really? You’re going to cry and moan over a bilboard offering discounts to churches? You think it’s not fair John Wolff? Guess what, welcome to LIFE. Life is not fair you scumbag! I’m an atheist and this is an extremely bad idea. Prudhomme can run her business however she chooses. All the John Wolff’s and Michael Newdow’s of the country are going to continue to screw this up for everybody. Don’t we have bigger problems to face than a restaurant giving discounts to churches? Besides, Michael Newdow is ugly. This isn’t like discrimination against gender or sex, or even sexual orientation. John Wolff hasn’t even BEEN to the restaurant as the article has stated. John Wolff is just another butthurt scumbag who’s just looking to start trouble. Getting offended at a restaurant offering discounts for religion? This is why you DO NOT have the right to be offended in America. Get over yourself John Wolff.

  • afdbghq

    So now if me wolf wants to go to a restaurant that chooses to close on Sunday will he file a discrimination law suite against the business for closing on Sunday. What about a business that closes after 12pm and reopens at 6:00 am will he file a discrimination law suite because he cannot shop in that particular store. Where will all this stupidity end.

    Businesses have the right to set their hours of operation and discount options. That is how it is done in a free country where the state stays out of the way. When the state starts dictating basic operating guidelines to businesses then personal freedoms are lost and the country is headed for a total dictatorship.

  • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    ACTUALLY, THE OPPOSITE WAS TRUE IN MEMPHIS. Church of God in Christ (COGIC) USED TO HAVE ITS ANNUAL CONVENTION IN MEMPHIS. YET, GREEDY-MEMPHIS RESTAURANTS AND HOTELS OVER-CHARGED COGIC FOR THEIR SERVICES. NOW, COGIC HAS ITS CONVENTION ELSEWHERE.

    CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

    • Franklyn Molina

      What did I tell you about Cruise Control, Horton.

      • CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

        “Franklyn Molina,”

        I REPLIED TO A COMMENT OF YOURS IN ANOTHER THREAD. I STATED, “GREAT COMMENTS.” THIS WAS FOLLOWED BY, “offensive comment removed.” I DO NOT REMEMBER WHAT I SAID. WAS THAT Bob Livingston’s “HANDYWORK” ALONE, OR, WAS HE “NUDGED-ON” BY YOU? I COMPLEMENTED WHAT YOU SAID. I DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE “OFFENSE.” HMN…THAT WAS STRANGE.

        CHRISTOPHER ALLEN HORTON

  • FWO21

    He sounds like the “self-righteous” to me. Go find a church bulletin off the ground and take it to the restaurant because if all you really want is the discount, then that will work; but… if you are looking to get rich, then sue, sue, sue. There are entirely too many frivolous lawsuits going on these days. I guess that’s what you do. You take from those who have worked their whole lives to have something. If you believe in karma, maybe he will get his in the end and all the rest like him.

  • Peter

    John Wolff, you are an absolute, 100% A grade tool.

  • mattsmoski

    It is a private business. Lets talk about ladies night, all the women pay no cover. AAA offers so many discounts for car rental, airlines, train, hotels. What if I don’t like AAA I have been left out. Now I am forced to buy AAA to get a discount. Senior discount is age discrimination. Military discount is service to your county discrimination. If your under 6 you get in free, another age discrimination. It goes on and on. Where is the ACLU all these years. I tell you it’s a hornets nest of discrimination. HELP HELP.

    • Chief Boring

      Love the way you use satire to point out the truth.

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