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Researchers Urge Ban On Menthol Cigarettes

November 24, 2010 by  

Researchers urge ban on menthol cigarettesNew studies on menthol cigarettes have prompted the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to review the safety of the flavored tobacco products.

According to ABC News, 11 new studies on menthol cigarettes are included in a recent issue of the journal Addiction. The publication contains data suggesting that menthol cigarette use is disproportionately higher among African Americans and young adults. In addition, researchers found that menthol smokers tend to be less successful when trying to quit.

In response to these recommendations, some researchers are calling for a national ban of menthol cigarettes.

In response to the recent menthol studies, libertarian think tank Americans for Limited Government warns that a ban on cigarettes would likely result in a multibillion dollar illegal market.

"An enormous black market can only mean one thing; easier and cheaper access to cigarettes for kids," said Bill Wilson, president of the organization.

ABC reports that cigarette manufacturer Lorillard, which makes Newport menthols, is currently embroiled in a legal battle in Boston. An African-American man alleges that his mother, who died of lung cancer in 2001, became addicted to cigarettes as a child because Lorillard passed out free menthols to children living in the housing projects during the 1950s. 

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  • JimH

    Here comes the nanny state to our rescue again. How could we live unfree without them?

    • http://www.cafepress.com/TradThoughts UnPCdMOM

      Nanny state or not, this is a step in the RIGHT direction if ALL being treated EQUALLY under the law. Prior to this, Menthol cigarettes didn’t get the same TAX increases as other brands supposedly favored by non-minorities(Marlboro, Camel even basic no frills ‘non-flavored’ brands. They taxed me into quitting after smoking for over 35 years. In the time I smoked- cigarettes went from 0.35 to $8.75, you do the math on that inflation, but 99% of it is taxes. I hope the menthol smokers NOW share the misery and pain in the wallet the rest of us have suffered from.

      • alaten

        I don’t know what you’ve been smoking other than cigarettes that makes you think all brands have not been taxed equally. The same tax has been applied across the board on all cigarettes period.

      • Dan az

        When was the last time you looked at a pack of kools compaired to marborl or what ever else?They have been the most expensive for the last 30yrs.And I have been smoking them for the last 50yrs so get your facts straight!

      • Joyce from Loris

        Excuse me, but I have been a smoker for over 40 years. I have paid the same for my menthol cigarettes that others paid for their non-menthol cigarettes. I have switched to non-menthol now, as my goal is to quit, and I felt getting off the menthol would make it easier. But it is ridiculous to state that menthols were taxed less. My husband smoked non-menthol, and his cigarettes cost the same as mine.

        • Average Joe Patriot

          Joyce, see my other posts on this subject and quit altogether. I don’t sell e-cigs, I’m simply an evangelist. My girlfriend smokes Kools, and the hardest thing she’s ever tried to do in her life is to quit them. Even WITH e-cigarettes.

          I’d give it a shot. (Sounds as though you’re already moving in the right direction.)

  • JoMama

    I smoked Newports for most of my life & I tried to quit over & over again. Well, I finally quit (hooray!! 3 years now) right before cigarettes went way up to $8.00 per pack (I think that may have been the motivator). I still LOVE the second hand smoke – but I know that I am much better WITHOUT them. Even though I still love them & want to be with them.
    I will NEVER be a slave to menthol cigarettes again!!
    This is a BIG accomplishment for me.

    • http://CoxCommunications Wayne

      I smoked for 26 1/2 years. For most of that time I smoked Kool Filter Kings. When I was in the Army overseas I could go to the Commissary on post and pay TWO dollars a carton. When I got out I just about crapped in my pants when I had to pay the real world price. While I was in the Army I noticed that a lot of the African American soldiers smoked menthols( Salem, Newport, Kool ). I quit cold turkey December 25, 1998 and haven’t touched one since. It was hard as hell but I’m not sorry I quit. Having a job that prohibits smoking on the company property is a good incentive to quit. I’ve seen some employees given a week off without pay for smoking in their car in the parking lot. I also got tired of paying $3.00 – $4.00 a pack.

  • http://eddie47d@gmail.com eddie47d

    Cigarettes like alcohol should never be banned. People should be encouraged to quit smoking and I’m glad it’s not as easy to buy cigarettes. The line has to be drawn somewhere by age and that has been accomplished (mostly). High taxes and high insurance costs doesn’t seem to discourage the diehards so it is a fools game they are playing. Menthol flavors only make a dangerous product more enticing.

  • FlaJim

    Been smoking since I was 14, 43 years ago. Never had a health problem associated with smoking. I began smoking because I loved the smell of burning tobacco.

    Smoking may exacerbate pre-existing conditions; it doesn’t cause them. This nonsense about methol smokes (I’d never use them) is the usual we can expect from an outfit that is government funded and needs to justify its existence.

    The story about a kid who went straight from sucking on menthol candy to menthol cigarettes is highly suspect. My consumption of candy that looked like a cigarette when very young had no influence on my decision to take up smoking, years later. I just love the smell and taste of tobacco. Some don’t. Just go away and leave me alone then, okay?

  • http://americawebeintrouble.blogspot.com/ Rick

    This is ridiculous. Tobacco helped build our country. Show me the facts. Prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt that tobacco is the cause of all these illnesses. They can’t. The anti tobacco people just parrot what they want to believe in order to try to control others lives.
    I’ve been smoking for 36 years. When the prices went up, I started rolling my own. It now costs me about $1.65 a pack. If it’s outlawed, I’ll grow my own. I have my seeds. Experiments start this spring.

    • Robert Smith

      Rick says: “Tobacco helped build our country.”

      So did hemp and they not only got rid of it but started throwing people in jail for it.

      George Washington grew hemp.

      Rob

    • Joyce from Loris

      Rick, we were (and still are, to some extent) tobacco farmers. When Tobacco was king, all the small towns were thriving and growing. Everyone had money, and it was based on the FARMERS. When tobacco became an “outlaw” and the government stepped in to end it, they didn’t just end the tobacco farmer’s life, the towns shut down. There was no money anymore, none to spend in the town’s shops, grocery stores, and more and more people were placed on welfare. What a shame.

      • Robert Smith

        From Joyce: “…we were (and still are, to some extent) tobacco farmers.”

        Even though George Washington grew it we are NO LONGER hemp farmers.

        “When Tobacco was king, all the small towns were thriving and growing. Everyone had money, and it was based on the FARMERS.”

        Hemp was king for a very long time. AND! It didn’t kill people, except as a rope. Lots of that rope was used to kill blacks, and lately gays.

        “When tobacco became an “outlaw” and the government stepped in to end it,”

        When hemp became an “outlaw” and the government stepped in to end it thousands of Americans went to, and still are, going to jail.

        “they didn’t just end the tobacco farmer’s life, the towns shut down.”

        They didn’t just end a hemp farmer’s life significant parts of minority populations went to jail forced to live a life on the margins when they got out.

        “There was no money anymore, none to spend in the town’s shops, grocery stores, and more and more people were placed on welfare. What a shame.”

        There is tons of money for organized crime buying off judges, and being wasted by police all over America.

        Rob

  • smithington

    For some VERY interesting reading, visit: Infowars.com

  • Rikky

    I am incredulous that we have actually gotten to the point in this country where this sort of foolishness is being seriously discussed and acted upon. I looked into these studies done by the Journal ‘Addiction’ (can’t imagine THEY’D have an agenda) and the only fact presented in their “research” was that Blacks have a propensity toward menthol cigarettes, which everybody already knows. The rest is slanted conjecture and opinion (with all the buzz-phrases like “may suggest”, and “possible link”, etc, etc.) designed to further demonize smoking (amazingly still possible) AND the smokers themselves, making them much easier targets for further confiscatory taxation. Tax money that the anti-smoking organizations stand a good chance of getting a piece of. THAT is the driving force behind anti-tobacco and all the phony, hysterical “research” that the mainstream media loves to print.

  • ONTIME

    Smoking like many other habits and items we humans like and abuse affects everyone differently depending on usage, if it is plentiful and cheap we go for more, when it becomes in less supply and expensive we either slow down the usage stop or try stealing and reselling part just to keep your hand in it. We are in many ways a pthetic testament to our own downfalls and short comings.

    I used to like smoking, then one day I made a woman near cough her lungs out and she claimed she used to smoke, made me think. Wasn’t to much longer I just got tired of the habit and like many things I tired of, I quit. This PO’d my practice wife who dearly loved her smoking and drinking and when I quit, she became insulted. Far as I know she still has those habits, must cost her a fortune and she found a new mate to enjoy it with her….they are both going to need some luck, in their 60′s now and most likely it will be my taxes that go to keep them alive and on a respirator.

    Four of my kids have never smoked and the one that did quit shortly after I did and does not like the smell of tobbacco in his home, car or have anyone smoke around him….he doesn’t see his mom much at all, the others avoid her.

  • Dan az

    Its always been about the control and monies made by taxation.This is nothing but BS My greatgrandmother smoked up until she died at 102yrs old my grand father at 98 Ive been at it for 50 yrs and it just pisses off my doctor to no end.

    • Average Joe Patriot

      Good for you. I mean, good for you telling your doctor to piss off. I don’t have that luxury, because I don’t have a doctor except as needed, like if I break my arm or need a hernia op.

      You ever notice all doctors tell you to quit smoking and cut down on your drinking? Like they all went to the same mantra school?

      Same with dentists telling you to floss and brush with fluoride.

      Now that I’m over 60 I announce up front that I’m not there to be lectured to, I’m in remarkable shape for my age and still have all my teeth, and I’ve rarely followed their monontonous advice during all these years of abusing myself (or being abused by half-educated doctors and dentists).

      Now they just shut up and do the work I came in for.

      • Dan az

        Average (not likely) Joe patriot
        The only doctors that I see anymore are the VA if you want to call them that.You have a good thanksgiving!!!

        • Robert Smith

          Aren’t you grateful at least that bit of socialized medicine is there? If it weren’t for them you wouldn’t have any health care.

          Rob

          • Average Joe Patriot

            Unfortunately, it’s not health, and it’s not care. And I, for one, dislike paying for this lack of health or care for strangers. If it were health-care, why would so many of us be sick? The pharmaceutical industry owns the doctors, our bodies apparently lack a plethora of drugs we never heard of ten, twenty, thirty, forty years ago.

            Thank God for the pharmaceutical industry, making us all healthier day by day. Look at the national statistics, such an amazing battle they’re waging against this sudden onslaught of cancer, diabetes, Alzheimers, autism, etc. Rather, let us ask where all this is coming from, not which new wonder cure will make Merck or Bayer a fortune.

  • Average Joe Patriot

    “New studies on menthol cigarettes have prompted the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to review the safety of the flavored tobacco products.”

    This paragraph sets off alarm bells. I quit smoking by switching to electronic cigarettes (go to the E-Cigarette Forum for more info, if you’re interested). This was around 18 months ago. It worked for me, I still enjoy my nicotine fix, without setting fire to leaves and inhaling 40-some carcinogens, countless poisons, in total perhaps 4000 additives. Since switching to e-cigs I’ve enjoyed many, many health benefits (like sleeping, breathing, hiking), and am not polluting the air that others breathe. So far so good.

    Shortly after I discovered e-cigs (which consist of a small battery and a tiny electronic heater, to which you apply a few drops of e-liquid: propylene glycol, vegetable glycerine, distilled water, food flavorings, and a selectable amount of nicotine) the FDA began its attempts to ban them.

    They have taken e-cigarette distributors to court, and lost. They have sent sternly-worded letters to US resellers and manufacturers accusing them of obvious falsehoods and threatening to shut them down, confiscate product, fine them out of existence, and put them in jail. They have pressured US Customs to stop and seize overseas shipments. They have joined with the American Cancer Society and the American Lung Association in making public statements as to the potential dangers of these unregulated and untested devices.

    Some of their arguments have been:

    1. E-cigarettes reinforce the behavior of smoking.
    2. E-cigarettes have not been sufficiently tested.
    3. We don’t know the long term effects of e-cigarette use.
    4. E-cigarettes are an unapproved drug delivery device.
    5. E-cigarettes are being advertised as a smoking cessation aid.
    6. E-cigarette liquids come in many flavors which appeal to children.

    1. E-cigarettes reinforce the behavior of smoking. Ridiculous. These things REPLACE cigarettes. Ban them and two things will happen. “Vapers”–people who puff the vapor, will go back to inhaling toxic smoke. Or, some of the more clever among us will begin manufacturing our own, and mixing our own liquid (which in fact COULD be dangerous for the sole reason that a mismeasurement of the liquid nicotine can sicken or kill you just as surely as an overdose of vodka or swallowing chewing tobacco).

    2. E-cigarettes have not been sufficiently tested. Well no, not by the FDA, whose superficial and perfunctory tests were done on liquid from China. In one of eleven samples tested they claim to have found trace amounts of anti-freeze–ethylene glycol. From China. China also puts lead in toys, but the FDA is not banning toys. In fact all of the tested samples contained propylene glycol aka PG, also an anti-freeze (used, for example, in applications such as water line winterizing in RVs). PG is also used as an ingredient in cake mixes, ice cream cones, candy, and theatrical fog machines. Every ingredient in e-liquid has been approved by the FDA at some point or other.

    3. We don’t know the long term effects of e-cigarette use. Good point. They’ve only been in use around the world since shortly after the year 2000. Since they contain no carcinogens or other toxins other than nicotine, we could wait a long time to find out what long term use, say, decades, might do to a heavy vaper, but no one’s keeled over so far. We do, however, have thousands of studies on the effects of tobacco use, since 2000 hundreds of thousands have indeed keeled over, yet they are not banning cigarettes.

    4. E-cigarettes are an unapproved drug delivery device. So is a tobacco pipe or a martini shaker. So is an espresso machine or an aspirin dispenser. An e-cigarette is a small battery and a tiny heating element. You can put one together on your kitchen table with a kit from Radio Shack. But this is a circular argument, anyway. The question is not whether it’s approved, it’s whether it NEEDS to be approved.

    5. E-cigarettes are being advertised as a smoking cessation aid. And therefore need to be tested as such and approved by the FDA. Here we go again. First, if it’s illegal to advertise them as such, then go after those few distributors saying this and tell them to stop saying it. (Never mind the fact that that is exactly what they are, since the moment you switch to e-cigarettes you are, by definition, not smoking. I haven’t smoked in a year-and-a-half.)

    6. E-cigarette liquids come in many flavors which appeal to children…

    …And this is where I get suspicious regarding the FDA’s sudden interest in menthol-flavored regular cigarettes. Because they can hardly argue that cherry-, apple-, brandy-, butterscotch-, and rum-flavors aren’t to be found at any tobacconist’s, OR ice cream parlor, or coffee, toffee, chocolate and vanilla for that matter. Any advocate of e-cigarettes–and many general practitioners, even those MDs on the TV show “The Doctors,” will tell you e-cigarettes are a great substitute for real tobacco–anybody at all could shoot down the “e-cigs-are-targetting-kids” argument in short order.

    I get nervous because in one short article above I hear the words “flavored,” combined with “more addictive,” combined with “appeals to young adults.” Ending with “addicted as a kid.” And I have to ask myself, what is going on here? Good luck banning menthols, not gonna happen. The FDA is, in part, funded by the tobacco lobby, as well as by tobacco tax revenue, as well by companies manufacturing assorted appealing flavors of (rarely effective) FDA-approved nicotine gum. Furthermore, big pharma, oncologists, and chemo-therapists (cancer specialists using FDA-approved machines and drugs) DON’T WANT cancer to go away. The FDA certainly couldn’t afford the revenue loss if tobacco and lung/throat cancer actually were to go away. The government doesn’t want it to go away, does anyone seriously think they want the FDA to make it go away?

    But I can certainly see a direct dot-connection between this sudden interest in “flavored” tobacco products, and “flavored” e-liquid for e-cigarettes.

    So who might be the ultimate target, here?

    • Dan az

      So Joe I read a little on it before and wasnt to impressed but after reading your post I might just try it!Dose it really satisfy the urge?and does it smell like a smoke?If it werent for the res with there prices I was really thinking about growing my own and may still but after hearing from you I might as well try it Thanks again.Oh great post!!

      • Average Joe Patriot

        It’s an individual taste thing…in several ways. I started out on Pall Mall reds, unfiltered (“borrowed” from my parents when I was 14). Tried various ways to quit over the next 45 years, also tried various brands, including lights and ultra-lights. Finally realized (while standing outside work one day an acquaintance gave me an American Spirit, zero additives, to try) that the initial kick I was getting from cigarettes was NOT a nicotine hit, but rather a chemical hit. Not hard to believe, considering they “improve” most tobacco about 4000 ways (really, including ammonia and rat poison). The actual nicotine buzz was more mellow and came on more slowly.

        So I switched the American Spirit blue, filters. Then I discovered American Spirit filters red pack, which not only have no additives, they also use organically grown tobacco. Smoked those till I got tired of the rising prices, and started rolling my own–same American Spirit organic tobacco, flax paper, natural gum. Smoked those for several years.

        So, that’s my smoking history. (Incidentally, after 45 years, I DID feel the effects of diminished lung capacity, even though I was smoking “healthier.” Not as bad as most 59 year-olds, but I certainly did notice it. And after a year on e-cigs, I most assuredly noticed that difference, too. Eighteen months in I recently completed a day hike up a mountain: 10 miles, from 8,000 ft. to 10,000 and back, and I normally live under 6,000…would’ve killed me a year and half ago.)

        Then I read about e-cigarettes. No carbon monoxide, no tar, no ammonia or rat poison, no nothing except nicotine…and the aforementioned carriers (previous post). The carriers were important to me because I LIKE the feel of smoking, taking a drag, blowing out the smoke (vapor), feeling the throat hit, tasting the result. (Yes, I’d tried the patches and gum, even snuff and chaw; I got my nicotine fix, but they weren’t anything like smoking. Vaping, however, IS a lot like smoking.)

        Before I tried them I researched them via the E-Cigarette Forum and YouTube, and whatever else I could find. Tons of written info and audio visual demos and so forth. I HIGHLY recommend doing this, because not all e-cigs are the same, and not all e-liquids are the same. Some e-cigs look like regular cigarettes, others look like something from Star Trek. Some flavors try to emulate common tobacco flavors (with varying success), some, as I mentioned, read like the menu at an ice cream shop. Some are made in the USA (recommended), others come from overseas, notably China where e-cigs were invented.

        I suggest a high-end e-cig and a sample pack of small bottles of liquid. Be prepared to spend some money up-front, between $70 to $100 or so, but do your research first (on the ECF–the Forum–you can ask a lot of newbie questions, they love newbies, but you’ll also find most of your questions already asked and answered). Avoid mail-order scammers who want to sell you a starter kit for just the price of shipping, they’ll start billing your credit card every thirty days for the whole kit plus extra cartridges on auto-ship (and their liquid tastes like vaporized dog$#!+).

        To answer the question: Do they satisfy? Absolutely. You sound as though you should go for the high-end nicotine content…24 or 36 mg.

        As for smelling like smoke? Not to anyone around you. If you exhale through your nose you alone can smell it. But it’s an individual thing as to the taste. Like I said, shop around.

        And as for reservation prices, I don’t know what they are; but switching to e-cigs, over a period of the first few months most people spending usual cigarette prices report a savings of 70–80%.

        But, also as aforementioned, this offer may expire at any time–just as soon as those @$$hole$ at the FDA figure out an angle which would allow them juristiction over the e-cigarette trade, and they manage to browbeat or bribe a judge into backing them up.

        • Dan az

          Thanks Joe I’ll let you know how it works out.

          • Average Joe Patriot

            Update, Dan: Just got back from a Thanksgiving holiday overnighter with two smokers (and a LOT of turkey and beer). Happens to be my wolf-dog’s birthday as well (her 7th), and she LOVES turkey and beer (and my semi-famous special once-yearly giblet gravy), we do this every year. Great fun, but the sidestream smoke now gives me red eyes, a cough, and a headache. Forty-eight hours of mixed pleasure. One takes the good with the…whatever.

            The good news, one of the two smokers there present is cutting back from Kools with an e-cig I bought her over a year ago (but Kool-smokers are a tough nut to crack when it comes to e-cigs, I suspect mainly because the mixture of niquid she’s using has more of a spearmint taste than a menthol flavor). Another guest, an ex-pat from South Africa smoking cheap “regular” tobacco, had never seen an e-cig, I let her use a spare I’d brought. She didn’t quit smoking instantly, as I did, but all indications are she’s ready to, after trying mine.

            A medical doctor originally from Namibia, well into her 60′s, she’s about due for a change and said so. Let us clasp hands.

            Dan: if you’re serious, plan to spend some up-front money experimenting (it gets a lot cheaper later), first with the equipment (it looks like a filter cigarette, a pen, a hookah, or a freaking flashlight, depending on the design–you want a well-made one with quality interchangeable parts, battery, atomizer, plastic tip) but especially with what I call “niquid.” There is a short learning curve on how to use the equipment (because it’s not simply a suck-on-it pipe or cigarette, you must play with the droppage and dosage and how you pull on it, not dissimilar to learning to use a pipe).

            The real investment in money is shopping around for a flavor which satisfies you. I’ve stuff lying around I will never use till the world ends (may be sooner than we think), one puff (vape) I said nope, rinse out the atomizer and try again with another e-liquid. One man’s ceiling is another man’s floor, one person’s ambrosia is another person’s poison. One person’s excellent flavor tastes and smells like crap to his neighbor (but with e-cigs, no one else can really smell it, just you, one of the beauty aspects of vaping is you’re not inflicting your bad habit upon others, they’ve no complaints).

            The main thing about e-cigs is you need merely only WANT to stop smoking, you don’t have to be DESPERATE (reached utter bottom, like an alky or a COPD or emphysema sufferer). And you must have a few bucks to shop around and experiment. After that you’re sailing on smooth (and relatively cheap) tobacco-free waters (you’re getting this info from a VERY exerienced lifetime smoker and assorted tobacco user), occasionally looking around for the next upgrade in equipment or niquid, go for it. You don’t need a support group like Smoker’s Anonymous to enjoy quitting sucking on numerous flaming toxins or adulterated tobacco products. No Twelve Step crap…

            …these are what the @$$holes at the American Cancer Society and the American Lung Association stick in your face so you’ll quail and keep giving them funding for their “lung health research.” They don’t really want us ALL to quit, only enough of us to give them reportable stats (we’re statistics to Them anyway). They weren’t invited to this popular e-cig quit-smoking party and they are obviously pissed as hell about it. Our ill health is their livelihood, after all. They LOVE it someone quits and they can take credit, because they know a hundred others try and fail, and they can keep getting money for “research” into the dangers of sucking heat-treated poisons into their lungs. Well, duh. Research, financed. It’s for the kids, and so forth. A sickening, ongoing lie. E-cigarettes are a solution, and they are fighting it tooth and nail. They need death to stay alive, and when faced with a solution to death, they say no. You can’t have it. Die. That our organizations may live.

            This is what the FDA hands you as your “only” alternatives if federally approved gum, patches, inhalers, drugs and chemo don’t appeal to you and you opt out of the program, for e-cigs… The “official” word is: NO.

            Ill health is their livelihood.

            It’s making them crazy, people coming in with a simple and cheap solution to tobacco addiction (lung, throat, and gum disease), while still enjoying nicotine. Well, no, we can’t allow you to freely enjoy the drug the official system has addicted you to. We have you now, pay your proper taxes on OUR DELIVERY SYSTEM, sucker.

            Unless the FDA and FTC, ACS and ALA and so forth are allowed to get involved, you aren’t to be allowed to just quit on your own, in a fashion that resembles smoking enough to actually work for us in stopping lighting chemically adulterated tobacco powder and shreds: Go to bed without your nic-fix, children. You’ve been bad. Avoiding us is bad. We pretty much own you.

            It’s not simply nanny-state behavior. It’s BAD nanny-state. “Mommy, can we get a new Nanny? We don’t like this one, we feel like we’re being farmed, our bodies are being harvested, in an extended tobacco industry death camp.”

            Damn, call the government? No, children, you’ll have to conspire to do away with the Nanny WE gave you, first. Then perhaps we will think about a new one, kids. Plus: You know they can hear you, they’ve tapped our phones and the internet. Be careful of conspiring.

            I’m hereby so doing: conspiring. Right out here in public. My political soul be damned.

  • steven

    i say take them away. i been smoking newports since i was 17, i am 27 now and want to stop but cant. taking them away would help me stop asap.

    • Average Joe Patriot

      Um, Steve, have you considered having yourself tied up in a basement?

      I think that might work for you. Me, not so much. Surround me with every conceivable drug. Allow me my choices. Don’t say what I can and cannot do. I don’t hang out around playgrounds, and heck, I’m a so-called conservative. And even They’d obviously like to see most of us dead anyway. Useless eaters, useless voters (with the advent of electronic voting machines they can manufacture whole voting blocs), useless food and drug addicts They’ve created for numerous purposes.

      Expendables. We’ve served our (Their) purpose(s). Time for us to go away, now. Coming soon to a neighborhood near you.

  • Earl, QUEENS, NY

    We know statist politicians, ninny nanny control freaks and other do-gooder organizations are constantly attacking smokers and the tobacco industry. But let’s not forget there are also companies who persecute smokers. E.g., refusing to hire known smokers even if they agree not to smoke on company property, or prohibiting employees from smoking even in a company’s parking lot on the employee’s watch. Although a long time ago and I can’t remember all the exact details, wasn’t there a major hotel chain who’s clerk refused to give a room to a traveling family merely because the father was a smoker?? He was the only smoker in the family, who promised not to smoke in the hotel room, but the obnoxious clerk made the whole family sleep in their car. Apparently the clerk may have been biased and using his own discretion, as my understanding is that the hotel chain did apologize to the family and took disciplinary action (termination??) against the clerk. …. Also, wasn’t there also a cruise ship notorious for being smoke free?? Inside or outside, anyone caught smoking on this liner would be ejected at the next port and left stranded; being forced to find another means of transportation home. But it’s also my understanding that this same cruise ship had unfavorable health inspection ratings. Is this cruise ship still in business?? If not, then good riddance to it!! ….IMO, the best thing to do is not get mad, but get even!! Why not create hotels which cater to smokers only?? Likewise, let’s have restaurants and bars which welcome smokers only!! Why not create a cruise ship which only admits (adult) smokers. BTW, I’m thinking legal products only – tobacco, not marijuana or other illegal substances. Laugh at me if you want, but these days we really need to push back and/or retaliate against ninny nanny control freaks!!

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