Researchers: Obamacare Will Lead To Increased Employment Discrimination

0 Shares
obamacare0702_image

Obamacare has already begun to affect the American workforce as many employers move to lay off employees in a bid to avoid forced compliance with expensive new healthcare mandates. Legal researchers at the University of Illinois found recently that American workers will likely feel negative effects from the healthcare overhaul long after the initial pain of its implementation, as some of the mandates encourage employers to discriminate against job candidates.

The researchers discovered that language in the healthcare law gives employers the incentive to harass or retaliate against employees seeking health coverage in order to avoid the financial penalties.

“The Affordable Care Act incentivizes employers and employees to push in essentially opposite directions,” said Peter Molk, an expert in insurance law. “There are safeguards that have been enacted as part of the law, and some already exist to protect employees from what employers might do. But we’ve identified other areas of the law where it looks like employees aren’t as protected as we would want them to be.”

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, which takes full effect in January 2015, requires qualified employers — that is, employers with 50 or more full-time employees — to provide healthcare coverage to workers or face fines. Employees must make an effort to obtain coverage or pay a penalty.

“For employers, there are three different options: They can provide adequate coverage, inadequate coverage or no coverage at all,” said Suja A. Thomas, an expert in employment discrimination. “In terms of loopholes, they could offer adequate insurance but could ask job applicants about their coverage in an attempt not to hire people who may seek coverage. They could offer inadequate insurance, but threaten employees not to elect coverage through the health exchanges, because then the employers would have to pay a fine. Or employers could offer no coverage at all and pay the fines, which do increase over time; it might be worth it if they calculate that they come out ahead monetarily by not offering coverage.”

The problem, the researchers contend, is that Obamacare creates a conflict as employees seek coverage and employers seek ways to cut the cost of providing it — both attempting to avoid government fines.

“Employers obviously would like to minimize costs as well as avoid any and all penalties, and one way of doing so is offering inadequate coverage and trying to get employees to avoid buying subsidized coverage through the individual exchanges,” Molk said. “In this circumstance, what’s not currently protected is the way that some employers could pressure employees or tell employees, ‘Look, if too many of you go out and buy insurance this way, then we’re going to have to fire people or cut wages.’ That’s not protected, and that’s something that we think should be protected in appropriate circumstances.”

Personal Liberty

Sam Rolley

Sam Rolley began a career in journalism working for a small town newspaper while seeking a B.A. in English. After covering community news and politics, Rolley took a position at Personal Liberty Media Group where could better hone his focus on his true passions: national politics and liberty issues. In his daily columns and reports, Rolley works to help readers understand which lies are perpetuated by the mainstream media and to stay on top of issues ignored by more conventional media outlets.

Join the Discussion

Comment Policy: We encourage an open discussion with a wide range of viewpoints, even extreme ones, but we will not tolerate racism, profanity or slanderous comments toward the author(s) or comment participants. Make your case passionately, but civilly. Please don't stoop to name calling. We use filters for spam protection. If your comment does not appear, it is likely because it violates the above policy or contains links or language typical of spam. We reserve the right to remove comments at our discretion.

  • Robbie

    In the coming years Americans will be thankful for the Affordable Health Care Act. Far more Americans will have health insurance which will dramatically reduce ER usage by the poor and the working class. ER services are the most expensive aspect of health care. No one is turned away and it eventually has to be paid for by tax dollars anyway so why not reduce that with preventative medicine? Universal Health Care was first introduced by Republican Mitt Romney (anyone remember that???) and it continues to work well and is popular in that state. Romney also praised universal socialised medical care in Israel which he said was the best system in the world. Israel even covers dental care for children! And it works well in Canada too. The American current system is nuts in that some 30% of healthcare dollars does not go in to actual care but rather in to the coffers of insurance companies. Obama seeks to reduce that and seeks to cover more citizens who otherwise would end up in the ER at vast expense. There will always be nay sayers of course who have opposed every bit of progress all through history but luckily we can look back now and be thankful that progress was made.

    • wandamurline

      Just wait and you will get the full force of Obamacare…I surely hope you are not elderly….I know you are not, an elderly person has more sense than you.

      • QuinnTheEskimo9

        The elderly won’t be treated, they’ll be given palliative care only as they are in England.

        Sara Palin wasn’t wrong about the death panels, you know.

        Keep yourself healthy. Bureaucrats will be deciding YOUR healthcare and it will be age-based.

    • Bon, From the Land of Babble

      Why didn’t Romney BRAG about “Romneycare” when he ran against obama in 2012? Why did Romney do everything he could to distance himself from the health care plan that HE implemented in Mass?

      Politico:

      “The reality is it performed very poorly,” said Douglas Holtz-Eakin, a former Congressional Budget Office director and president of the American Action Forum. “A huge mark against it is it didn’t control health care costs at all.”

      Health care costs per capita were 27 percent higher in Massachusetts than in the rest of the country in 2004, two years before the state plan was signed, Holtz-Eakin says. By 2009, it was 30 percent higher than the national average.

      The law’s failure to rein in health care costs is widely acknowledged by nonpartisan analysts, as well as conservative critics…emergency room use has gone up, not down — undermining the law’s effort to get that problem under control by expanding coverage.

      State health policy officials issued a report last month showing a 6 percent increase in emergency room use from 2006 to 2010, the first four years when the law was in effect.

      It’s getting harder for Massachusetts residents to see a doctor, too. A report released last month by the Massachusetts Medical Society found that only half of the state’s primary-care providers are accepting new patients, down from 70 percent in 2007. And the average wait time to see a doctor in family medicine is 45 days — up from 34 days in 2007.”

      http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81837.html#ixzz2aRmIarNH

      From Cato, “Lessons from the Fall of Romneycare”:

      “Massachusetts plan was supposed to accomplish two things — achieve universal health insurance coverage while controlling costs. As Romney wrote in the Wall Street Journal, ‘Every uninsured citizen in Massachusetts will soon have affordable health insurance and the costs of health care will be reduced.’ In reality, the plan has done neither.”

      http://www.cato.org/policy-report/januaryfebruary-2008/lessons-fall-romneycare

      There’s PLENTY more evidence out there that Romneycare has been an expensive, massive failure with none of its promises met.

      Obamacare, like RomneyCare, on which it is based, will product the same results and deliver few if any of the promises it offers:

      Wall Street Journal: “The Failure of RomneyCare”
      Reason: “Sorry Liberals, Romneycare is Still not Working”
      RealClearPolicy: “Face It, Romney Care Is a Failure”

      Bon

      • Robbie

        Odd that if Romneycare is so bad that it has not been repealed.

        • QuinnTheEskimo9

          Ask why SCOTUS Chief Justice suddenly changed his vote from “no” to “yes” at the last moment. This is why obamacare won’t be repealed.
          Most politicians are political whores doing the bidding of their masters who fill their campaign coffers. Any deviation and suddenly their opponent’s coffers are filled and the media is blasting away at YOU.

          But programmed lefties like you with implanted obama chips see everything as obama vs. George Bush and there is little sense trying to explain these things to you.

        • QuinnTheEskimo9

          Ask why SCOTUS Chief Justice suddenly changed his vote from “no” to “yes” at the last moment. This is why obamacare won’t be repealed.
          Most politicians are political whores doing the bidding of their masters who fill their campaign coffers. Any deviation and suddenly their opponent’s coffers are filled and the media is blasting away at YOU.

          But programmed lefties like you with implanted obama chips see everything as obama vs. George Bush and there is little sense trying to explain these things to you.

          • Robbie

            You should probably move to another country. You don’t seem to like the United States very much. They say Costa Rica is pretty nice this time of year.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            Cuba is your fantasy! Health Care for All, Safety for All, Food For All, Housing for All!

            A Communist Workers Paradise, Robbie!

            Gee, maybe YOU can explain why all the all the workers’ paradises — that YOU think we all should live under — had to shoot escapees?

            I’ll be awaiting your answer. Why Did All Workers’ Paradises Shoot Escapees?

          • Robbie

            Look, you are the one who seems so very unhappy with the United States. I simply suggested that there are many very nice alternatives.

            I’m not sure why you bring up Cuba. Cuba does have some high ideals of equality but do keep in mind that Cuba is a very poor third world country with nothing much to draw upon other than sugar cane and tobacco (two not very popular products these days). And Cuba has had to endure decades of the American trade embargo and military invasion etc. I could easily point to non worker’s paradises that are capitalistic such as Haiti that are doing far worse than Cuba and from which plenty of folks “escape”.

            And, by the way, universal health care works very well indeed in Canada. Not too many Canadians are escaping (except from our winters) and those who do leave are not getting shot. Mind you when Canadian go to their condos and gated communities in Florida the chances of getting shot do, indeed, rise quite a bit!

          • vicki

            And we know why the SCOTUS Chief Justice suddenly changed his vote. NSA Deep mining of data.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            Ding Ding Ding!! Congratulations Vicki for getting it. Meanwhile, obama worshipers and other psychotics like “Robbie/Dave” continue to spout off how we’ll ALL be so much better off under a tyrannical government, LOL.

      • Robbie

        Romney did not brag about universal health care he instituted because when he was running for President he HAD to oppose Obamacare which was basically the same plan and even put together by the same man who put together the state plan. Keep in mind that Romney was a great flip flopper and would say anything at all depending upon what he thought any particular audience wanted to hear.

        • CintiCB

          Are you sure that you’re not talking about Obama (saying whatever is needed for the moment)? Oh yeah, O doesn’t flip, he ‘evolves’.

          • Robbie

            I am sure that I was not speaking about Obama. I was speaking about Mitt for sure who sometimes changed his position even on the same day! Imagine Mitt speaking in Israel about how Israeli health care was the best system in the world – far better than the American health care system – and then being told that Israel enjoys socialized universal health care which Mitt is against on principal. He had to change his tune pretty fast. What a a pathetic candidate yet still better than the other clowns the GOP had to work with. By contrast Obama is a rock of consistency and logic.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            Nonsense. Romney was a paid useful idiot to fall on his sword, ditto for McCain — but you lefties foolishly think that anyone who doesn’t fawn over your master, obama, slavers over Romney, George Bush I or II or McCain, with obama as the only other logical choice.

            Really, dog, you need to go back to your cult minder and get new programming. Your statist drivel has worn itself out.

          • Robbie

            I’ll agree that Mitt is an idiot as were most of the other GOP candidates. Actually most Republicans pretty much are also. Look at their policies.

    • QuinnTheEskimo9

      Everyone’s better off working part-time 29 hours, don’t you think, Dave/Robbie? Two part-time jobs are better than one! –that is if you can find work as companies shed employees left and right to get under the 50 employee insurance mandate — OR, better yet, your company has been forced to move overseas to get away from the health insurance mandates.

      After all, Obama and Krugman know a LOT more about Econ 101 than us dumb-as-rocks sheeple. They are our betters and masters, don’t you know? Only interested in creating a safer world “for the children.”

      But, we’ll all be better off, don’t you think, when everyone is on food stamps and the government provides for us and keeps us safe.
      Oh, what a wonderful world it will be…NOT.

      Ask those who survived the Soviet Paradise what THAT was like. The Soviets SHOT those who tried to escape.

      • Robbie

        Actually companies were getting out of America decades ago. Had nothing to do with health care and everything to do with paying just a couple of bucks a day to virtual slaves. And the really sick thing about manufacturing in China is that companies doing that would love to abolish the minimum wage in America. Then they’d be happy to move factories back and pay Americans Chinese rates!

        • QuinnTheEskimo9

          Health care has vastly accelerated the process. But everyone will be covered with the government deciding whether or not you will receive health care, or any drugs you might need, right? — after standing in massive, long long lines and waiting your turn, because health care will now be rationed. The elderly will face death panels, but that seems to be A-OK with you and Dave.

          But these government bureaucrats our betters, right, so much smarter than we are! — smarter than the doctors! (because THEY get to decide which, if any, treatment you will receive, NOT the doctors). Do you think this is why so many doctors are retiring this year? Can you blame them?

          Great system, right?

          And about those 29- hour jobs and lay-offs. Well, the food-stamp president will take care of that, won’t he?

          • Robbie

            There is no such entity as a death panel. I think that nonsense came from the provision in the law that has doctors discussing end of life decisions with elderly patients on matters such as having a will, inheritance taxes, funeral arrangements and such like. I was told about 2 years ago that Obama himself was going to shoot anyone over the age of 65. How stupid are people to believe and repeat this kind of total bull crap?

            As far as government getting in the way between the doctor and patient I can only note that in Canada (more socialistic than the American plan) no such thing happens. But if you’re really concerned about that issue (but you’re not) you might want to get involved fighting the recent anti abortion laws instituted in several states that tells doctors what they must do when a patient wants an abortion. Also how about the government of Virginia insisting on vaginal probes of such patients. Government doesn’t get more intrusive than that! Time you got on that one.

          • vicki

            The poetic justice is that Dave and Robbie are not getting younger.

  • trugrits

    If it is so great then why are more saying it will be a train wreck than an affordable solution for health care? I see it is more of the same except those that couldn’t afford insurance before will now be fined because they can’t afford it. Anyone that thinks premiums will be more affordable with equal or better health care is in for a rude awakening IMO.

    When you have other than doctors deciding what health care you will get then you will be screwed. Remember HMO’s and how they sucked? I really doubt people will be so grateful when it is all said and done. 20,000 pages of regulations can only be a nightmare in the making.

    • dan

      I have friends in the medical field and they just can’t/won’t put up with more red tape and third party interference in THEIR practice….
      most insurance is just a billing scheme and has inflated the cost of treatment to where NO one can afford it

    • QuinnTheEskimo9

      Well stated.
      Why do people trust the government to deliver their health care? What government program runs well, delivers what it promises and is not far over budget?
      The government has NO business in the health care industry.

    • FreedomFighter

      ObamaCare — designed to destroy America as we know it, 30 million illegal aliens added to ObamaCare to make sure it does.
      Laus DeoSemper FI

  • Dave

    http://www.bizjournals.com/bizjournals/washingtonbureau/2012/05/31/cupcake-royale-owner-says-obamacare.html?page=1

    http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/blog/health-care-inc/2013/07/mr-houser-goes-to-washington.html?ana=e_ptl_hc&u=0ElcicdeDdnhMgP9WEv16g0a41d64a&t=1374873741&page=1

    Doom, gloom and anything that is against Obama… Its what PLD does…
    I don’t know… maybe if big business had any loyalty to the United States and its people… they would work to change the system or understand that under the current system, providing good healthcare to their employees is the right thing to do.

    • dan

      just curious, Dave …have you signed up for Obamacare ?

      • Dave

        No, I do not need to. I have insurance through my firm. As the ACA states, I keep my existing insurance. The great thing is that if the insurance company I have does not use something like 80% of the premiums I pay for actual care… I get money back because the act says that insurance firms cannot pad their profit margins on the backs of people (good thing in my opinion).
        Then in the future, if I develop an illness and I have to change jobs, issurance cannot deny me coverage from a pre-existing condition. (also a good thing)
        The act is far from perfect but since the GOP had no plan, it is a first step.

        • dan

          seems like an equitable insurance plan…a good model.
          I’m an old-school ,pay as you go type of curmudgeon

          that was self insured for my life changing accident…
          but had insurance when my house burned down.
          Man proposes and God disposes :)

          • Dave

            Hey Dan,

            I am with you. But today, too many want a share of the pie… Hospitals, Drug makers, Doctors, Insurance firms, lawyers. I wish we could have a system where you choose whatever doctor you want and the company pays a percentage, you pay a percentage and the Gov kicks in some as well. We, the patient needs to be the end user of HC, not the company to ensure the best possible competition happens for non-emergency HC.
            The days of a small fee to just see a doctor for everyday ailments needs to return but I fear those days are gone for Good.

          • dan

            agreed…and it takes a lot for hospital infrastructure ( the administrators are just trying to balance the expenses and income) but having to go to an ER because there isn’t inexpensive care at a community clinic and having to run unnecessary tests to protect from liability …is silly….
            but the indigent clog the ER’s vying for free treatment and indirectly are bankrupting many hospitals…and the high prices are a way of spreading that cost to those that CAN afford it .
            A truly complex problem…thanks for your insight and perspective ,Dave.

          • Dave

            ACA is not perfect but there are good points too it… you would never know it from the propagandists here. Seeing that without the ACA, you could be turned down for pre-existing conditions and the insurance firms would be allowed to rip the system off at will.
            its all “the sky is falling!!!” from these types.

    • TIME

      Dear Dave,

      Oh please do tell us all, just who is it that really runs the United States?
      Is it that you think, its the folks who post at the PDL?
      Or is it the same cabal who also ran it under GWB, Clinton, etc.?

      O’Bama or what ever his real name may be, pick any of his alias’s.
      You tell us Dave who is he, please do tell us Dave just who is he and where did you find the proof of who he is?

      ~~ Please post all “pertinent evidence” that you have on the topic of who O’Bama really is, also ~ please refrain from posting your opinions – just the “”provable solid evidence / facts,”” please.

      We all await to be regaled by your {solid evidence} laden reply.

      • Dave

        Time,
        It is clear buy the money in the political process that Corp America and the wealthy run this country.
        I gave you two people that testified before Congress of their actual experience… Not just blather form right wingers on what “might” happen.
        The rest of your rant, I will ignore.

        • TIME

          Dear Dave,

          Really you gave me two names, of whom again?
          Oh and by the way its the “United States Inc,”
          not America Corp, but then again that would require real study rather than being a simple minded parrot.

          By the way Dave I am not on any side, R or L –
          I am just an America a pure classic Heinz 57 mix.
          I have no dog in the fight, as there is no difference between the “GOPES and the DOPES”
          “One single solid coin with two faces for the ignorant.”

          You speak of the wealthy – whom may they be again – would you be noting the very ones who placed O’Bama and GWB in office, let alone every single alleged potus from 1871 onward.

          No, not you Dave as that would require countless hours of research something, that’s obviously far above your pay grade in gray matter.
          Thus your reply is not a surprise.

          Sadly the real reason the rest of my question’s as you quote – “you will ignore” is due to the fact, you can’t answer any questions, you’re clueless, but fret not Dave, as you’re not unlike many who wish to be a mushroom.
          Thus being used as a waste material drop off & left in the dark.
          Good luck with that. Its got to start stinking at some point.

          • vicki

            I think he meant the 2 names from the articles he linked to (Thanks Dave for actually providing links)

            Jim Houser is one of the 2 and said:
            “And I’m proud that we, as a small business with about a dozen employees, are doing our part to make sure our staff is covered.”

            Jody Hall is the other.
            ” She has since expanded to five locations and is preparing to open a sixth. She has 72 employees, including part-timers.” (I wonder how many part timers :)

            There were 6 people in the hearing. 3 for and 3 against. Interesting that Dave only provided 2 of the 3 for.

            The article itself starts with
            “Most small business groups opposed health care reform, contending it will make insurance even harder to afford. But some small business owners contend that just the opposite is happening.”

            So if you are with the in group it is better. If not, it is worse.

            Whatever happened to equal protection under the law?

            Here is the website about the actual hearing. interesting. It shows only 4 witnesses even though the article states about Mr Houser “He was one of six small business owners to testify from around the country, ” and is not one of the witnesses listed.

            http://edworkforce.house.gov/calendar/eventsingle.aspx?EventID=296767

          • TIME

            Dear Vicki,
            Thank you for trying to aid Dave with his post, ;-)

          • vicki

            Welcome. Of course what Dave left out is the little bit about most small business groups and the associated businesses are not going to do well under Obamacare.

          • Dave

            As Vicki likes to remind anyone who disagrees with her….
            Ad hominem.
            What useful information have you given? So far you have given two things… Jack and Squat.
            You can name call with the best of them. DaveH and Jeff H sure would be proud of you. What is your MENSA number?

          • TIME

            Dear Dave,
            What useful info, have I posted ~ Why far more than you have, BTW ~ I asked for answers to questions, and as I noted you clearly don’t have a clue,.
            Its also really quite obvious your not MENSA level, but I digress.

          • Dave

            Really TIME? you have posted useful information? I musy have missed that because I was at my socialist/communist party meetings…. But carry on MENSA candidate.

          • vicki

            Dave demonstrates reading comprehension by writing:

            As Vicki likes to remind anyone who disagrees with her….
            Ad hominem.

            http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html

            I rest my case.

    • QuinnTheEskimo9

      Why are you here? To “educate” us stupid stupid “right-wing extremists” into your “enlightened” NWO, Obama uber-alles world?

      Wouldn’t you be better off going over to DailyKos.com where you can fantasize all day with others like yourself about how the world is going to be a much better and “safer” place when Obama’s One World Government plans are implemented fully over the sheep — I mean sheeple?

      Let me help you:

      Thread exit is THATAWAY ===========>

      • Dave

        Ummm Quinn… The NWO was coined by your boy George H Bush. But consevatives get confused on who is responsible for what.
        But lovely right wing parrot job. care to recite other conservative talking points?

        • TIME

          Duh Dave,
          Man you are really one under educated mushroom;
          “The New World Order” was not coined by GHB,
          This term NWO is from the book called the “Talmud.” Just for the record that dates back to Babylon,
          I could be wrong: but I think that PRE dates GHB by many years.
          As to GHB even being the first to say it live on TV, that’s not the case either, by the way ~ O’Bama and Clinton used the term far more than GHB.
          Of what again they are all “ONE” in the same or perhaps that’s beyond your slight gray matter factor.

          • Dave

            In the modern context, it certainly was… But since you are a useless conservative who can only attack because that’s all you can do, please do carry on MENSA candidate.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            Posting your statist drivel is becoming tiresome, Dave.

            It’s time for you lefties to get some new programming.

            Which is an interesting procedure, for all who don’t know:

            The incision behind the ear is reopened, the mind controller module is accessed, and the ROM chip is replaced with the latest instruction set. The incision is then closed.

            The new instruction set initializes immediately after the incision is closed causing only a slight gap in the short term memory as the module resets all the defaults.

            After a time, the scar becomes almost but not quite invisible.

            Dave, this should give you a new set of instructions to update your obama talking points, LOL. Can’t hardly wait.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            Posting your statist drivel is becoming tiresome, Dave.

            It’s time for you lefties to get some new programming.

            Which is an interesting procedure, for all who don’t know:

            The incision behind the ear is reopened, the mind controller module is accessed, and the ROM chip is replaced with the latest instruction set. The incision is then closed.

            The new instruction set initializes immediately after the incision is closed causing only a slight gap in the short term memory as the module resets all the defaults.

            After a time, the scar becomes almost but not quite invisible.

            Dave, this should give you a new set of instructions to update your obama talking points, LOL. Can’t hardly wait.

          • Dave

            What do you do if you don’t have Fox news and right wing media to give you your talking points?

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            Come on Dave: Why don’t you tell us how you and your “progressive” friends sit around sipping lattes at Starbucks discussing how much better the world will be when obama imposes a NWO and One World Government to lord over the sheeple.

          • vicki

            Ad hominem

          • vicki

            Just so Dave is not confused I will quote what he said that is ad hominem

            “But since you are a useless conservative who can only attack because that’s all you can do, please do carry on MENSA candidate.”

          • Dave

            Vicki,
            Why aren’t your eagle eyes this keen when a conservative poster does it? Oh… yes… right… you are a partisan hack…
            But that’s ok Vicki. You have so many right wingers here that engage in ad hominem attacks you have become an expert and you selectively point that out.

          • vicki

            Dave writes:

            Vicki,
            Why aren’t your eagle eyes this keen when a conservative poster does it?

            We’ve been over this before dave. I am not your pet referee. YOU point out ad hominems that you choose and I will point out the ones I choose.

            Oh… yes… right… you are a partisan hack…

            Poorly hidden ad hominem there.

        • QuinnTheEskimo9

          Dave: You obama-worshipers are so predictable!

          After reading your comments, Dave, I see you are one of Obama’s dogs: One of Obama’s programmed Pavlov’s dogs, that is. Bark Bark Bark Barking when your cult minder whistles.

          Anytime you see something you don’t like you resort to what the chip inside your head tells you to do: CALL NAMES! INSULT! REPEAT THE MANTRA!

          O-Ba-Ma! O-Ba-Ma! O-Ba-Ma!

          Yeah, that’ll scare ‘em.

          I’ve heard all of your programmed lines, really dog, you need to ask for a new chip and some new programming!

          Seriously,why are you posting on a conservative site? You are obviously a believer in government uber alles.

          Dave, let me give you a piece of advice before you dig yourself in deeper and make a bigger fool of yourself: Go back to your cult minder and get your money back, LOL.

    • Me

      Dave, Big business only has a loyalty to profits and that’s the way it is. You cannot change that, but you and the rest of us can change Obamacare. Personally, I do not want ANYONE making medical decisions for me or my family except myself, my husband and our doctors. I do not want the government telling me what doctors I am allowed to see and which ones I can’t. I do not want to pay for Obamacare, which according to estimations for our family, will cost us MORE per month than our current health insurance plan does and it will provide LESS coverage.

    • Dave
    • CintiCB

      Just look at it this way; PLD is what the news print media used to be, just as FoxNews is what news broadcasts used to be-actual facts are reported. News is not altered to please one certain group ie: CBS’ altering of the 911 call about that little gold toothed gang sagging pants angel, you know, da victim. Blind loyalty will, usually, hurt you. You won’t even be smart enough to realize it!!!

      • Dave

        LOL… PLD, you mean blazingly biased and propaganda for the right wing? Fox news? The network with most uninformed viewers?
        And ummm… CintiCB, it was NBC, not CBS that altered the 911 call.
        Nice try though… C+ for effort.

        • CintiCB

          You’re right, it was NBC (they’re all, basically, the same). I stand corrected. Are you REALLY so stupid? Just because Fox doesn’t spend all of it’s time sucking up to your boy and because they cater to a more informed and intelligent audience doesn’t make them wrong-just above your head.

          Getting a grade from you is like learning about class and etiquette from a bottom feeder-REALLY means something!

          • Dave

            Yeah, Fox just sucks up to McConnell, Boehner and any right wing politician/pundit… But thats A-ok in the conservatyive book right?
            Fox caters to the same audience that thinks pro-wrestling is high entertainment.

          • CintiCB

            I don’t know about the ‘conservat[y]ive book’ or the liberal ‘book’. I just go by the common sense ‘book’. There are points, on BOTH sides, with which I agree and with which I disagree.

            I shall not banter with you, today. I’ve already met my quota of hearing ignorance and idiocy! It’s, only, 12:10 PM. This proves that you are in good company.

          • vicki

            Argument to ridicule. No need to quote it. It is the full statement.

  • BHR

    All these comments about healthcare. Insurance for everyone is a good idea, I have wanted it for years.
    But there is a major problem, Obama started healthcare when America is bankrupt. If our government had balanced the budget, as a nation we could afford it. There are 22 new major taxes and fees but many more costs that are coming.
    America can not afford healthcare now, we are fighting for survival. We are almost 17 trillion in debt, if you count the true debt most of which is not in the yearly budget, we owe over 80 trillion in long term debt. Social security is a big part.

    The bottom line, how is America going to pay for all this. Remember most large company’s all ready pay for insurance. The main burden is on small company’s and individuals. I travel much of the west coast and have talked to hundreds of people about Obamacare. The American working man does not know how they can afford it, even with government help.
    My wife manages a department in one of the largest hospitals on the west coast. Since Obamacare became law the hospital is doing all they can to cut costs. Under Obamacare the hospital will be paid a lot less. To date they have layed off 2000 people. At this point they do not know if they can stay open.
    Part of my wife’s job is to know the healthcare law and find how to make it work. If you have not read the bill and had to deal with it for over 2 years do not tell me what a good deal it is for America.
    We need health insurance but this is not it.