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Research Firm Blows Hole In Big Pharma Vaccination Lie

September 6, 2010 by  

Research Firm Blows Hole In Big Pharma Vaccination Lie

A study by the independent research firm The Cochrane Library (TCL) reveals that the idea that a person can avoid the flu by taking a flu vaccine is just another big lie to enrich Big Pharma and physicians and clinics administering the drugs.

Two TCL researchers reviewed 50 reports of randomized controlled trials (RCTs) or quasi-RCTs that compared influenza vaccines with a placebo or no intervention in adults and concluded that the vaccines are ineffective 99 percent of the time.

The researchers warn that even that may be an optimistic assessment of the vaccine’s success as they relied on 15 trials funded by the pharmaceutical industry and noted that “reliable evidence on influenza vaccines is thin but there is evidence of widespread manipulation of conclusions and spurious notoriety” of the data in industry-funded reports. In other words: Big Pharma manipulates its data.

According to the report, the average vaccine — which is produced before the onset of flu season and based on the previous year’s strains — must be administered to 100 adults to prevent one case of influenza. If the exact strain is matched, 33 adults must be vaccinated to prevent one case of the disease.

The report also stated the vaccination didn’t affect the number of people hospitalized or the number of work days lost but did result on one case of Gillian-Barré syndrome for every 1 million vaccinations.

Already this year Australia, India and Finland have suspended their flu vaccination programs after seeing an increase in convulsions, seizures, incidences of narcolepsy and deaths after vaccines were administered. Australia’s vaccine has been approved for use in the United States.

But it’s not just flu vaccines causing problems. India has suspended a trial of two human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccines following the death of six young girls. They died after receiving either Merck & Co.’s Gardasil® or GlaxoSmithKline’s Cervarix®.

But in the U.S., those HPV vaccines continue to be administered to young girls even though at least 67 deaths have been attributed to the drugs, according to NaturalNews.com. These drugs are supposed to prevent cervical cancer, but have even been approved for use in boys, too. Absurd!

Childhood vaccinations — especially those in the very young — cause problems as well and have been linked to the rise in the number of autism cases in the U.S. Autism cases increased from 15,580 in 1992 to 292,816 in 2008. It now affects one in every 100 children.

We’ve reported that the primary beneficiaries of vaccines are not the patients but Big Pharma and advisors at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the World Health Organization. Those reports can be read here, here, here, here, here, here and  here.

Big Pharma creates poison, calls it human vaccines and sells it for billions. They cover their crime with political and legal immunity. This by itself is a dead giveaway that it is high crime.

These merchants of death experiment with our bodies. The long-term effect is to make us subservient vassals of the State.

To view the TCL report, click here.

Hat Tip: NaturalNews.com

Bob Livingston

is an ultra-conservative American who has been writing a newsletter since 1969. Bob has devoted much of his life to research and the quest for truth on a variety of subjects. Bob specializes in health issues such as nutritional supplements and alternatives to drugs, as well as issues of privacy (both personal and financial), asset protection and the preservation of freedom.

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  • Mike Austin,TX

    They say it right on TV. This strain is probably not the one that will make you sick so it will not prevent the flu. It is supposed to help “reduce” the severity…. Really? Flu virus’s mutate rapidly and only the exact match will do any good. The article is correct. It is just a money maker…

    • refuse2lose

      WHO has just put out a warning that the “Bird Flu”could be the next “pandemic”to hit the world. Nothing like a little fear-mongering to make the cash registers go CHA CHING.

      • Granny Mae

        refuse2lose,

        I’m wondering if this Bird Flu and all this Salmonela business isn’t caused from filthy conditions the birds are living in! Over crowding etc, I have seen some of those pictures of the places where they have been destroying the chickens because of Bird Flu and they are disgusting ! My chickens are kept clean all the time and there has been no problem with them ! Now watch, I have opened my big mouth and something will happen !! Darn I wish I wouldn’t do that !!!!!!!

        • Carole Howell

          Granny Mae,

          Don’t worry your birds will be fine.

          Childhood vaccinations — especially those in the very young — cause problems as well and have been linked to the rise in the number of autism cases in the U.S. Autism cases increased from 15,580 in 1992 to 292,816 in 2008. It now affects one in every 100 children.

          The Autism rate went up because of a mercury based preservative put in some vaccines for children.

          Look back and you will see Bush was not going to sign the National Security Bill unless it contained a clause stating that parents could not have access to files about their children’s vaccinations to see if the vaccinations contained Thermasol. Now what did that have to do with national security?

          • Richard Pawley

            I read recently (probably from the free health and nutrition newsletter from http://www.mercola.com) that the 71 million doses of H1N1 vaccine from last year (which expired last June) cannot be disposed of by burying them because they are so dangerous. They were good enough to give your children for the imaginary ‘deadly’ flu that was going to kill us all but to deadly to just bury. They have to be disposed of under strict EPA guidelines.

          • Lewis Munn

            Just so interesting that Vitmin C is safe to use, and kills viruses, including flu. Airline passengers have cleared up oodles of virus diseases contracted on airplanes by taking 1 or two thousand mg of Vitamin C.

            Bigger doses cure the ‘flu, very handily, usually within hours.
            I even had distemper cured in a young kitten by 1000 Mg IV when it was dying; it came to and in a couple hours was playing, while mama and the rest of the litter was dead. The vitamin C “cured” the distemper virus. The vet could only say he must have mistaken the symptoms!!

            The mercury content in the swine flue shot is high, and mercury is a cumulative brain poison; causes the “mad hatter” mental disease common in England when Mercuric Chloride was used in hat making for stiffness.

            So, knowing this, our doctors are injecting large amounts of mercury into us, which can cause serious brain damage and various paranoia and loss of memory.

            Kids are growing rapidly, and the mercury can mess up the brain development.

            I have avoided the shots becasue I already carry a mercury load from the use of mercury in equipment I repaired. I do not need to fry my brains with any more mercury in my system. But when I go overseas, the UN demands I get a swine flue shot, just loaded with mercury.

            The UN does not mind if it damages our minds; it makes us silly and more docile! Method to their madness!!

            I wish our country told the UN to go fly a kite when they make taking a shot of known brain poison required before you can be allowed out of the US!!

          • Peter

            Carole, with the greatest respect, the ingredient is called Thimerosal. The ‘mer’ part of the name stands for mercury, which is a known and very dangerous element when ingested, especially in the developing infant brain. Japan suspended infant vaccination a few years ago due to research on this ingredient and went from the highest incidence of autism in the world to almost zero, in one annual reporting period! Stick that in your collective pipes Big Pharma!

          • Christin

            I have been told that not only is childhood autism a negative effect of mercury used as a preservative in shots, but possibly ADHD (Attention Deficet Hyperactive Disorder)another effect in children… has anyone gotten any research on that?

            Yes, Vitamin C is a natural anti-biotic for illness or just to stay healthy.
            Can’t believe our system is so corrupt that the Big Pharmas would lie to us about medicines and cures… all for greed.

          • http://www.blogspot.snowflakehell.com Ken Brody

            Not all flu shots have thimerosol in them. The data sheet shows the ones that are mercury free.

        • Granny Mae

          For all those that are interrested, Vitamin C is an anti-toxin. Take it immediately when stung by bee’s or wasps etc. I had to take 4–500 miligram tabs. when stung about 5 times from wasps. Two of the stings were on the throat. Within one hour you would have never known I had been stung ! Great stuff ! My sister keeps it in her purse all the time because she has so many allergies and she uses it when she has a reaction to something.

      • EddieW

        After the Swine Flu fiasco, I honestly hope the public is much more aware than they were before, and totally avoid these toxic poisons, The Federal DEATH Administration & their Big Pharma cohorts want to unleash upon us…Hey! make it mandatory…kill a lot more people, and pharma makes a lot more money!!!!

      • American Citizen

        What if you’re the one person who gets the flu and dies from it because you didn’t get the vaccine? A lot of people say they have the flu when they don’t. Just because they feel sick doesn’t mean they have the flu. Some get sick from the shot and claim they have the flu from it when they were actually allergic to the base.
        Flu is a respiratory disease, not the “stomach flu”, etc. As for autism, why is it on the rise? Could it be do to environmental causes or that the mother didn’t take care of herself properly while pregnant? The only person I know who has an autistic child smokes and took drugs. One of her children is OK, the other one is autistic.
        We had six children, all had all the childhood shots and none became autistic. I wouldn’t even take an aspirin while pregnant and watched what I ate and drank. They are all healthy, half are in their fifties and the youngest is approaching forty. We have 17 grandchildren and none became autistic due to the shots. Both great grandchildren, 2 and 7 months, seem to be healthy.
        We have had flu shots ever since they first came out with them and did not get sick from them. A sore arm at the point of the needle going in, otherwise no reactions.

        • paul6387

          There are “always” exceptions to individuals who choose to subject themselves to various vaccinations for various illnesses. Just like there are those who pop a pill, prescription or non-prescription, for every real or imaginary symptom you can imagine. I am 72 years young, and I have to admit, there were periods in my life when I religiously had the flu shot. Sometimes I would still get the flu, or, at least it seemed to be the flu, and felt like it. After some research, I decided to stop letting something to be injected in my body that I was not entirely certain what was in the needle. I am not on any prescription drugs, and any small aches and pains do not have me running to medicate myself. Good luck to anybody that thinks because an advertisement on TV tells you their product is a wonder drug, just suppose it won’t, or perhaps it might make your situation worse. I have not had the flu shot for at least 15 years, so there you go.

        • Richard Pawley

          I worked with someone who got a flu shot and was sick for three weeks afterwards. THAT was the flu! However, his case and that of your children don’t prove that these vaccines have the same kind of side effects as all the medicines you see on TV. One of the big differences between your children (“half are in their fifties”) is that when they were children there were only five or six required shots. Today the average child (if his mother is not smart enough to know which shots to accept and which to reject) is subject to up to 37 vaccines before he ever starts school. What is worse is that these shots are being given to infants under one year of age where their brains have not developed enough to be able to handle them. If you want a list of how and when and which vaccines your children should get you can find such information at http://www.mercola.com (his free health newsletter is subscribed to by 100,000 health profesionals and more than a million others all over the earth). Another difference between your family (and mine) is that the food we ate 50 years ago did not have half the pesticides and hormones in it that food today has and it is apparently a combination of the vaccine preservatives and the crap in our food that creates autism in many children (but not all). Ask yourself why the Amish have almost no autism in their children. They have it but it is at the levels of 40 years ago. You are brave to have gotten the vaccines you have had. I got one 40 years ago myself but I didn’t know any better. What I take is 4,000 IU of Vitamin D-3 which has no side effects and if by some quirk of nature I got the flu I would take that every hour (for five days only). Of course the UN is trying to make such things illegal so we will all be slaves of those “want what is best for us”. I like what Ben Franklin said is appropriate, “Those who would trade freedom for security deserve neither”. Another question to ask is why we have slipped from 24th place in the world to 42nd place for longevity? We spend twice as much as anyone on earth and our health is not as good as even Jordan and some other supposedly third world countries. Just remember you cannot eat today what average Americans eat and not get the diseases that average Americans get.

          • blv54

            I think we should all take a second look at the propaganda they put out about their being 6 billion people in the world to, with all the deadly vaccines being forced on the 3rd world, the constant wars and natural disasters not to mention how fertility rates have fallen then theirs all those abortions, I think there lying about just how many people there actually are it’s a lot less than that they lie about everything.

      • Dr. Charles Coram

        First do no Harm
        February 4, 2005 I wrote a letter to the editor regarding my concerns about our healthcare community in Ottumwa.
        This story was never published.
        On April 06, 2005 my wife gave birth to a wonderful baby girl (Olivia). She was delivered at the Ottumwa hospital. Before she was born; one of the hospital nurses asked my wife and I if we wanted our daughter vaccinated with Hepatitis B. My wife and I did not want our baby vaccinated at that time and signed a document to this. I explained to the nurse why we did not want her vaccinated. I told her that there has been documented studies indicating a greater risk for SIDS and AUTISM among children being vaccinated under the age of 2.
        Within 2hours after Olivia was born, they vaccinated her with Hepatitis B.
        We were told by hospital officials that the form that we signed was difficult for the medical staff to read. The Director of the medical staff told me that there was no risk to our daughter.
        On April 20, 2005 Olivia stopped breathing. I rushed her to the hospital were she experienced two more episodes in the ER. She was kept in the hospital for the day and observed without incidence. For the next month our little girl had chronic breathing problems with no explanation from the hospital for her episode. We were constantly worrying that it was going to happen again. The hospitals doctor did ask my wife and I if we knew CPR, just incase it happened again.
        The Hospital continues to claim no liability in the incident that almost cost our 2 week old daughter her life. Since she survived and has no recognizable brain damage the hospitals position is “no harm no foul.“ Malpractice laws disagree.
        Last year the Department for Health and Human Services requested that all healthcare providing agencies report any hospitalizations, ER visits, and deaths following vaccinations. The report is to be filed with the Centers for Disease Control.
        My wife and I gave an ORHC doctor the document to be filled out and submitted.
        It was never done.
        I contacted the Centers for Disease Control and filed the document.
        *The CDC is now investigating the incident as a possible adverse reaction to the vaccine.
        There are over 200,000 reports every year of possible vaccine reactions in children.
        Over the past month there have been many reports regarding vaccine reactions in the mainstream press.
        As of July 25, 2005 the Hospital position: “Based upon the information available to us, including literature which disputes the claim that adverse affects occur with childhood immunizations, and no additional claim of present injury to the child it does not appear that a financial settlement, of any amount, is warranted under the circumstances.”
        On April 20, 2005 I rushed my 2 week old daughter to the ER because she was not breathing.
        One of the possible adverse effects of Hepatitis B vaccines is AIRWAY OBSTRUCTION.
        I encourage both the medical community and there patients to become more educated in the risks associated with the treatments that are provided.
        ***FIRST DO NO HARM!

      • Parent

        WHO and BIRD FLU, last spring the Unviserity of Rochester NY was testing and looking for subjects to test the Bird Flu, I know for a fact as I had contacted them personally. So I believe whole heartedly that the BIRD FLU will surface!

  • Ron

    I have hardly ever gotten a flu shot, and hardly ever gotten the flu. It seems when I did happen to get one it made me sicker than if I actually had the flu. Now, mine were ‘free’ and ‘mandatory’ in the military, but I rarely actually went over to get it, once or twice maybe, but I would certainly never plop down $30 for one.

    • Dan Burke

      My favorite part about the flu shots is the potential side effects. I read the list once, and declared “Those symptoms are flu symptoms.”

      • EddieW

        yes! but the mercury damages your brain, and it stays there forever!!
        I see Dentists are turning away from mercury fillings, but…the new lightbulb contains mercury, with no one willing to properly dispose of them…so that will be more mercury than even the dentists used!!! Also the mercury in anything where the first or second ingredient is High Fructose Corn Syrup…oh…but let’s not talk about that!!!

        • Al Sieber

          Eddie, I know about that also.

        • Granny Mae

          Guess what? That stuff, high frucyose corn syrup, is in nearly everything ! So are food dyes and my children and their children are allergic to them. If you want an eye opener start checking everything you pick up food wise and see just what all have food dyes in them.. Even vanilla pudding has blue and sometimes red dye in it ! My kids got real hyper when they ate or drank something with food dyes in it !

          • Granny Mae

            there I go letting my fingers do the walking with out the rest of me!! Sorry !

        • Christin

          What??? There is mercury in High Frucose Corn Syrup??? Are you serious?

          We did our homework on “sugar” (when my eleven year old was six) and found the White Granulated Sugar has had the trace elements removed when bleached and has been metabolically altered and is now a foreign substance in your body which works hard to rid it from your system.

          In a study they placed teeth in a cup of “white sugar” water and teeth in cup of water with “sugar in the Raw” and they found the teeth rot in the white granulated sugar, but nothing happened to the teeth in the sugar-in-the-raw water…wow.

          They also found that white granulated sugar lowers your body’s immune system. I printed out the info I learned and would give to Teachers in school and Children’s Directors in Churches, both who constantly give out candy (w/ bad sugar) out to the kids, but many did not believe or care(maybe offended) that they were hurting the children they were suppose to help.
          We stopped buying white granulated sugar probably five or so years ago when we did the research and buy either “Sugar-in-the-raw” or “Organic Evaporated [Sugar] Cane Juice”, but there is sugar (corn syrup, high frucose corn syrup…) of one kind or another in most products on the shelf and you have to read the Label!

          We also studied about the fake man-made sugars…aspertame, splenda… addictive, real bad stuff.
          Man just can not out do God.

          I appreciate your posts and the wisdom many of you have in many areas… thanks.

          • Granny Mae

            Christin,

            I know it is startling to find out just how corrupt our food supply is. Instead of being wholesome and nurrishing for our children we have to watch everything and read every lable ! Even the lables on our over the counter medicine ! My little grandson had to have me pick him up from school one day as he had a bad headache. When he got home I gave him a capsule for the pain. One end of the capsule was yellow and the other end was red! Within two minutes he was bouncing off the walls ! I forgot about the dyes! He looked at me and smiled and said granny you gave me medicine that made me crazy !! His headache was gone but he was wired for the rest of the day !

  • TIME

    Bob,
    These shots are one of the “largest SCAM’S” in the last 30 years.

    Hundred’s of Billions are made off injecting people with sugar water every year.

    When will the sheepeee’s ever wake up and think for them selfs?

    Folks we are all going to DIE, if its a flu so be it, you really can’t think that sugar water will save you can you?

    95% of all Flu’s that have been are Man Made.
    Your all part of the test to see how the food supply, water supply and air currents are working. Wake up Sheepeee’s.

    • 12wlw12

      “Sugar water” doesn’t cause death or life long pain. Flu shots can and do just that in many cases.. voice of experience!

  • Patricia Smith

    71 and living because I REFUSE to take their killer shots

  • Suzanne

    Change your diet and stop eating a SAD diet with pesticide-laden produce, conventional meats and grains, and ultra pasteurized milk. Stop eating low-fat and fat-free foods, packaged foods, fast foods.

    Stick with organic, grass fed and wild proteins, cage-free and organic eggs, raw milk, organic produce. Cook with virgin coconut oil and eat virgin olive oil on salads. Also begin eating superfoods like chlorella, spirulina, raw cacao. Take supplements like astaxanthin, vitamin C three ways (oral, liposomal-encapsulated and injected in a drip at your doc’s office), vitamin D. Also get out everyday for exercise and be in the sun without sunscreen and with as little clothes as possible for 10-15 minutes each day.

    One last thing — stop listening and reading things from the main stream.

    • 12wlw12

      This is very good advice.. problem is: How many can afford to follow it?

      • Jim H.

        Could we produce enough organic food to feed a population of 300 million people? The reason we can grow so much food is because of insecticides and fertilizer. For some it would cost to much to feed the family.

    • Michele

      Suzanne…Your diet advice is great. I too think that an organic diet and supplements = good health and a healthy immune system. My husband has cancer and by changing his diet and taking supplements, along with a chemo drug from “big Pharma” he is alive and doing well. He’s not cured yet, but well on his way.
      ****
      I will agree that people have to have a heathy skepticism and do research on their own. It is difficult sometimes to distinguish the wheat from the chaff when it comes to articles about health and diet.

    • Carole Howell

      Suzanne,

      If a person gets the flu or a cold, they can chopped a raw clove of garlic and mix with a TBS of honey and take that twice a day until it is gone and they will suffer no symptoms, it will clear your stopped up nose in one to three hours. Like magic, but your breath will be awful LOL.

      • Granny Mae

        Carole Howell

        I did that with my granddaughter. LOL! I wish you could have been here to see the whole scene ! It was priceless ! I thought she was going to barff all over the floor ! I never laughed so hard in all my life ! She was so funny! She was 12 at the time! It works but oh boy! I also have used vitamin C with honey and water to clear a sore throat! It works so well that it is shocking !

  • Mick

    And you people think that the flu shot is the only thing being a scam you need to wake-up….
    Doctors are in bed with the pharmaceuticals in this country and prescribes so many drugs capable of hurting you without giving a second thought of their oath to do no harm.
    They have you by the azz just because they’re supposed to be educated and you have been taught that doctors know better, it’s all fine and dandy but with this education ethics should play even a bigger role..
    Good luck to all of you following doctor’s orders without questioning them first.

  • Michele

    You all need to get into the 21st Century and read a real magazine and watch something besides Fox News. Vaccinations save lives. Vaccinations don’t cause autism. Vaccinations aren’t a plot to usher in the New World Order. On this site, paranoia rules.

    • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

      Then, why are you here? I have never had a infulenza vaccination and never will. I take supplements to enhance my immune system. I do this out of paranoia? Why don’t you cease and desist in your visits to this site?

      • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

        By the way, I had the Asian Flu in 1958, and the London Flu in 1973. I survived and have not had any other influenza’s bother me since.

        • Michele

          Because you have natural immunity from actually having the flu. Again, that’s how immunity works.
          ****
          We would all have immunity to smallpox if we all got smallpox, for example. Except most of us wouldn’t live through the illness to enjoy the immunity. That’s why vaccinations were invented.

      • Michele

        Oh…and by the way CAB…I am here for the intellectually stimulating conversation and exchange of ideas that is the bedrock of our Democracy. What are you here for? To hear yourself talk?

        • Disgusted

          Every body was masterfully created by GOD to have an immune system. If you take care of your body and keep your GOD given built in barrier against illness healthy and strong your body should be able to fight off any natural illness it comes in contact with.
          I work in a hospital and they PUSH the flu shot every year. I will not take it – in the 5 years I have been here I have taken 2 sick days off – while I have watched my co-workers (who get the flu shot) be sick every flu season, but of course that can’t be the flu because they got the shot – it must just be a cold or something else……right? I don’t get sick and I didn’t have the shot!
          I take 6,000IU Vitamin D3 a day, 1,000mg of Vitamin C, eat 95% organic, raise my own grass fed beef and pork, drink unpasturized/organic milk and try to get plenty of excercise. I don’t drink soda at all. The food we are consuming is killing us. The drug companies are killing us with these medications that have side effects worse than the actual ailment. People are so lazy they would rather take a pill than do what they need to do to help themselves naturally.
          We all need to wake up!

    • Granny Mae

      Michele,

      I have gone the way of no vacines and all natural foods long before Fox News was ever a thought in my mind ! The only times I have had problems with my health have been under doctors care! They have nearly killed me several times and now I do what I know is the best for me and I don’t pay much attention to doctors. I take vitamin D3 every day because I can’t get out in the sun I have Lupus thanks to three doctors that didn’t have brains enough to coordinate their meds with each other. From now on if I die it will be because I have made the wrong choice not some doctor that I trusted and he or she didn’t know their A– from their elbow ! I take Olive Leaf extract all during the flu season and vitamin D3 all year long and I have no problems any more ! Look up Olive leaf extract on the internet and see for your self !

      • kate8

        GrannyMae, I so agree with you about staying away from doctors.

        My health was nearly ruined by doctors when I was a child, and I suffered from health issues all my life. Until, as a young adult, I figured out that conventional medicine does more harm than good. Since then I have studied natural forms of healing, spent years in that field, and still continue to learn.

        Anyway, I was able to turn my health around, and so can you or anyone, if you really want it. Three things: cleanse, alkalize, oxygenate. Eat a good organic diet, and keep a mental image of yourself as perfectly healthy. (This involves retraining your unconscious to do this. As long as it holds an image of unhealth, that is what is maintained.)

        This has worked for me, and for many, many others. Does’t matter what kind of health issues one has. The cause is always the same- lack of proper cell respiration and diminished energy (voltage) in the body. The cause can be physical or mental, usually both, and each must be addressed in order to bring lasting restoration.

        Conventional medicine promotes “unhealth” and disease. It does not seek to cure, but to gain wealth through “disease management”. Nature has a better way, and involves little to no extra cost.

        • Granny Mae

          kate8

          You are right. I too have had to find the natural path and find it far better than the chemical medicine on the market today. Nature has the answer for us. After all we are a natural being ! I learned a long time ago that there is a big difference in vitamins. Natural will not make you sick but synthetic will and some of them can not be utilized by the body so they are a waste of money ! Re-create ease in the body and you get rid of disease ! I keep a positive mind set on my health and seem to get along fine, just as you say !

    • Carole Howell

      Michelle,

      You are right, vaccinations do save lives, but the Thermasol as a preservative does cause Autism. A parent in the know can insist upon vaccinations w/o it.

      But you are wrong if you assume we are not scammed in this ‘Health Care for Profit’ system we have.

      It is proven that Mammograms cause cancer.

      You will say “Oh! but Mammograms find cancer and save lives” Yes they give you the cancer and then find it latter.

      There are many other ways the Big Pharma and the Health Care for profit system rips us off and even in many cases sends us to an early grave.

      I bet you are a Nurse, maybe, you know Nurses have the highest rate of breast cancer than any other group of women in the USA?

    • Granny Mae

      Michele,

      My husband complains all the time that I must have news print on my eye balls because I read so much. I read everything I can get my hands on and usually have about four or five books going at the same time ! I watch very little Television and either does my husband! We read news papers books most anykind of educational literature and listen to the radio while we are busy with other things during the day. We also get a lot of news information from the internet! Boy I really wish you hadn’t made that dumb statement about reading magazines etc. You really know nothing of any of us on here so you might want to refrain from the guess work !

    • paul6387

      What are you doing here, nurse jackie? You have some people that are waiting for you to give them their flu shots.

    • Lewis Munn

      I read in good books on diet, vitamins, and also read organic chemistry to see what the goodies and the baddies are.

      I am not convinced high-fructose corn syrup is a source of Mercury. It does have some other deleterious effects on the body’s nutrition for some people in too large doses.

      It is in fruit, and nobody has yet said that fruit is bad for your health!

    • coal miner
      • coal miner

        The vaccine-autism debate has been raging for years despite a lack of scientific evidence to support the belief in a link between thimerosal, the mercury based preservative once widely used in vaccines, and increased rates of autism. In New Brunswick a couple of years ago I received some very heated responses when I posted on an autism discussion newsgroup a British Medical Journal article which called into question the existence of any vaccine autism link. But the belief continues on in the media fueled by Robert Kennedy Jr. and David Kirby. Arthur Caplan is a bioethics professor at the University of Pennsylvania and he has written an excellent opinion piece in the Philadelphia Inquirer/Centre Daily.Com in which he describes the vaccine causes autism link as an urban myth and also describes the horrible consequences that have ensued from this urban legend. Many parents fearing the autism link refuse to vaccinate their children against deadly diseases putting them and all of us at risk of an outbreak of these diseases.

        “Fact: No link of vaccine, autism

        Arthur Caplan

        is the Emanuel and Robert Hart Professor of Bioethics at the University of Pennsylvania, where he co-directs the Ethics and Vaccines Project

        What must it be like to spend a huge amount of time every waking day trying to change public health practice – only to find out that you were wrong?

        That is precisely what has happened to the proponents of the theory that mercury in vaccines – contained in the preservative thimerosal, which once was used (and is used no longer) in vaccines – is responsible for a nearly 20-year explosion in autism and other neurological disorders among American children.

        This urban legend has had very real – and terrible – consequences. It has led, and continues to lead, many parents to avoid getting their kids and themselves vaccinated against life-threatening diseases. The failure to vaccinate has caused many preventable deaths and avoidable hospitalizations from measles, whooping cough, diphtheria, flu, hepatitis and meningitis. And fear of vaccines puts each one of us at risk that we, our children or grandchildren will become part of a deadly outbreak triggered by someone whose parents avoided getting their child vaccinated for fear of autism.

        Recent research on many fronts in medicine and science has nailed the coffin shut on the mercury-in-vaccines-

        causes-autism hypothesis. The connection is just not there. Perhaps the key fact, which has garnered little attention, is that thimerosal has been removed from vaccines in this and other countries for many years, with no obvious impact on the incidence of autism. The most recent data point toward a correlation with nothing at all to do with vaccines: the increasing age at which people (particularly men) have children seems to be associated with an increase in autism and other neurological problems.

        Still, some of the most fervent anti-vaccine critics cannot let go. They continue to tell devastated parents of children with autism that vaccines are to blame. Others are still out on the lecture circuit peddling books and articles that bash vaccines and invoke mercury as a problem. Still others pepper the Internet with the false message that vaccines and autism do go hand in hand – it is just that the government, or the pharmaceutical companies, or organized medicine, or all of them, are keeping the truth from us all.

        Less than two years ago, Robert Kennedy Jr. published an article in Salon.com alleging that the government knew of and covered up the autism-vaccines connection. Thimerosal was, Kennedy told large audiences and many media reporters, to blame.

        Kennedy was hardly alone in fingering vaccines as the cause of the epidemic of autism affecting American children. David Kirby’s 2005 best-selling book, Evidence of Harm, and many other articles, newsletters and advocacy blogs fanned the flames. Some continue to do so.

        Proponents of the thimerosal/mercury-causes-

        autism theory have had a powerful impact on public opinion. When one of my students recently conducted a pilot study of attitudes about the new cervical-cancer vaccine, fears about autism were prominent among the reasons many respondents gave for being wary of the vaccine. Friends of mine continue to tell me of parents in Lafayette Hill, Voorhees, Greenville and Downingtown who won’t have their children vaccinated because of the risk of autism. States continue to allow parents to opt out of vaccines on “philosophical” grounds – perhaps the only arena in American public life where “secular philosophy” is given legal standing in public policy. And even some young health-care workers report that they don’t get important vaccines that would protect them, their families and their vulnerable patients against death because of worries about autism and vaccines.

        Science and medicine have not bought the thimerosal/mercury-autism link. For years the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia’s Vaccine Education Center, the National Academy of Sciences, the Food and Drug Administration, and countless other prestigious organizations and scientists have said the data do not support mercury in vaccines as the cause of autism.

        Now, with the mercury long out of vaccines, what is there left to say? Why won’t the slandering of vaccines as the cause of autism stop?

        There has always been a great deal of antipathy toward vaccines – in part because vaccines do have a tiny chance of causing death or other serious side-effects. Parents who have been through that hell have a hard time hearing or sending any other message other than “vaccines are bad.” And those who made careers out of peddling the vaccine-autism link – in the face of a lack of evidence – have really been motivated by a distrust of medicine, science, government and experts, a distrust that has little to do with scientific studies or expert opinions. Even government officials have never really cared enough about public health to do much to counteract the incredible damage the autism-vaccine proponents have done. That is not acceptable.

        Our nation is spending a fortune on plans to cope with the prospect of a bioterror attack. State, city and federal agencies are trying to figure a plan if avian flu mutates into a form in which it can start killing people. Hospital officials are worrying over how to cut back on preventable deaths in our hospitals and nursing homes. Those in charge of keeping disease transmission in hospitals, schools and public spaces to a minimum are fretting over what steps to take. The answer to every one of these challenges involves – vaccines.

        This nation’s future, its national security, the safety of its health-care institutions, and the safety of its citizens depends upon vaccination. It is way past time that message got heard by parents, teachers, nurses, doctors, hospital administrators, the media and politicians. If there has been a more harmful urban legend circulating in our society than the vaccine-autism link, it is hard to know what it might be. At a time when vaccines may be our last best hope in facing some of the greatest challenges we and our children face, this legend needs to be put to rest. Vaccination, not vaccine-bashing, is what this nation needs.

        http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/news/opinion/16630652.htm

  • Mick

    Michele says:
    September 6, 2010 at 10:18 am
    You all need to get into the 21st Century and read a real magazine and watch something besides Fox News. Vaccinations save lives. Vaccinations don’t cause autism. Vaccinations aren’t a plot to usher in the New World Order. On this site, paranoia rules.
    ********************************
    Michele,,,Well girl,,,,this 21st century of yours is off to a bad start……………….

    • Cuffie

      I worked more than 24 years in a hospital. I am now 71 years old and I will not take flu shots, nor will I take any other immunization.

      Wake up and read something written by the healthcare industry that IS NOT connected to the government.

    • Michele

      Off to a bad start? Bush got us off to a bad start in the 21st Century…so let’s put that out there. And a bad start because of millions of negative, paranoid people like the ones who sit around reading conspiracy theories about vaccines instead of thinking of ways to make the world a better place.
      People need to get up and make a positive difference in the world. Not sit and whine about the “government”. Folks, you are the government.
      ******
      And Mike…it’s not just my 21st Century.
      ******
      Hoping we can go back to the “good old days” is not the answer. The good old days of The Dust Bowl, The Great Depression, WWII, The Holocaust, Japanese Internment, the Vietnam War….? How about the Clinton era of peace and prosperity (looks good now doesn’t it)? Maybe the Wonderful Bush Years of the Afghan War, Invasion of Iraq, 10 billion per month spent on those wars for 8 years, 9/11, warrantless wiretapping, Homeland Security Act, torture, the rich getting richer/the poor getting poorer, and don’t forget…near destruction of not only the US economy but the world’s economy as well.
      ****
      The contention that Obama is doing worse than Bush is ludicrous and could only be said with a straight face by folks like Limbaugh, Palin and Glenn Beck, People who profit off of paranoia and fear…that they are creating! You can’t get through one of their shows without an ad trying to sell you gold…that the paranoia they helped to fuel has inflated the price of.
      ****
      And you call me a sheeple!

      • CONSERVATIVE AT BIRTH

        Yes, I would say you are a sheeple.

      • TIME

        Michele,
        Your a classic example of why I think “Eugenic’s” are a really good idea.

        • Michele

          You Mr TIME, are making my point for me.
          ****
          You might want to call me a Nazi (because you think I’m a Democrat???)…but the Nazis loved eugenics. Mr TIME…are you a Nazi?

          • s c

            Michele, you – like many of your progressive chums – walked right into this one. PLEASE don’t ever accuse someone else of being a Nazi, especially when you’re busy acting like one yourself.
            WHERE did Hitler and his robots get exposed to eugenics? The answer is (drum roll, please) MARGARET SANGER. Her “efforts” gave us Planned Parenthood, which is nothing but an extension of a “death to all inferior races” philosophy.
            Folks, here we have another progressive who has dared to put her rump on the hot seat. Margaret Sanger is the American space cadet who came up with the idea that BLACKS represent the bottom of the human gene pool, and need to be exterminated.
            Ooops! Michele made a little mistake. Ooops! She helped elect a character who loves abortions, and (somehow) loves all of his black brothers and sisters. Isn’t it kinda hard to love someone when you’re busy blessing ABORTIONS? Isn’t it kind hard to have any ‘hope’ when you’re an automatic target of those who want to “bless” you (and “SAVE” the world) via an abortion?
            Michele, you just keep on guzzling those gallons of Kruel Ade that make you so special. Consider an IV tap. It’s quicker and will last longer, too. You deserve it.

          • TIME

            SC, Kudos!

            Michele Honey Child ~ let me tell you I have never had a shot for anything in my life. I am 60 years old and in better shape than most 18 year olds.
            I have never had any sickness of any kind other than a mild cold of what last me all of 48 hours and just for the record I get a cold about once every 15 years. I have never had a flu, never had any shots for anything.
            I came from a few Poor family who really could just about feed us and keep a roof over our heads.
            When anyone got sick, my step Mother used old Japanese health care methods, oh and I have zero Japanese blood in me, but just about anything else I sure do, to include Cuban, African, Native American Indian, French, Irish just to name a few. Oh and I have been stitched back together with fishing line when I had bad cuts, by the way thats with NO pain killers.
            I bet you can’t even get your mind around that one. I have been shot, stabbed and had a number of broken bones from fights I have been in, and not a single visit to a Doc, again I bet you can’t get your mind around that. I have used herbs, and such to heal myslef as tought by my Step Mother & Father.

            The one and only health problem came from a tooth implant two years ago, strange within just a few months after all the special modern medical help. I developed Cancer. WOW – “how lucky for me,” yea I know its all my fault I should have had a shot.

            Well Sweet Lips, I fixed myself, and yes I have had test run to be 100% sure I was Cancer free. How did I do it, you ask?

            Sweet Lips not with the help of Modern Meds, No I used a 5000 year old cure, called Hemp Oil.

            So as noted by SC – Eugenics were invented here in the USA by the way also employed here during the 1960′s on “Poor folks who went to their Doc’s for med care,” so again just who’s the Nazi Sweet Lips?

            Its time to play (Know your cut of MEAT)
            Honey Child, I still love ya. ;-)

          • kate8

            Michele, Contrary to leftist propaganda, Nazis were also of the left.

          • coal miner

            Michele,

            Time sais he is black,which I highly doubt.

      • Wanda Murline

        Well, how about this….Obama has spent more in the last 18 months, than Bush spent on the entire Afghanistan and Iraq Wars combined for over 8 years. And that, my friend is a fact.

        • Michele

          Spent it on what? Destroying a foreign country, or spent it on trying to put this one back together?
          ****
          Folks who scream about the Constitution!!! My grandchildren will be paying for this!!! No bailouts!!! Blah Blah. You will be the first to complain when you can’t have you Social Security or Medicare, can’t buy cheap stuff at the Walmart (or wherever you shop), or end up living on the street in a box because Bush/Obama didn’t bail out the economic crisis.

          • Peter Vanderveen

            You are the one screaming!!

          • thinking

            Are you hflash? or just another government agent?
            Blame Bush and how wonderful Clinton was! Clinton pasted nafta, you know the send jobs overseas law. He also was in charge to get the poor and jobless to get big mortgage loans, they are now all not paying. Bush made mistakes but we Have Obama in charge and he continues to give to the banks and rescue the unions, tax business so they leave the country and make more poor than ever before, good choice Michele or whoever you are.

        • coal miner

          Kate8,

          Call the American Nazi Party up and ask them if they are on the left.George Rockwell always said he was on the right.It is classified as a right wing political group.

        • coal miner

          Kate8,

          Right wing hate groups:
          http://rw-infopedia.pbworks.com/Hate-Groups

      • 12wlw12

        Michele has a closed mind. Let us not forget: DEMOCRATS CONTROLLED BOTH HOUSE AND SENATE DURING THE LAST TWO YEARS OF BUSH’S ADMINISTRATION. Let us also not forget: “BUSH’S WAR” HAS COST US FAR LESS THAN OBAMA’S SO CALLED STIMULUS PACKAGE… and still spending!
        I could answer your remaining falsehoods with truths but why try lighting a candle that has no wick!!

        • Michele

          I have an open mind…but not so open my brain has fallen out.

          • Anthony

            WOW.. did Michele just say —>

            I know I am, but what are you….” …?

          • http://timodonnell.us Tim

            You May have an open mind, but you have to take the blinders off to see the whole true. You are a typical democrat who is blinded by leaders of the pack. Pelosi, Reid and Obama. Sheep are easily led the same as people are easily led when they are given what they want at no cost to them. It was President Clinton who was in office at the turn of the century. From a medical stand point this article is right on the nose. My wife and I are both in the medical field and have known this information for many years. Finally, someone has gotten published, what has been known for years.

      • American

        I was wondering how long it would take this discussion on vaccines to turn to politics…

        • http://timodonnell.us Tim

          Who do think is paying for the “Lowcost/FREE” vacines. The Government. There is never anything FREE from the Government.

      • coal miner

        Michele,

        Good point.This website is full of paranoid nuts and liars.

        • s c

          Coal Miner, I wondered how long it would take for you to emerge from your progressive closet again. Michele can take care of herself (maybe). I’m looking forward to a complete history of what a wingnut is and how to recognize one. Without a doubt, you and Michele can tell us everything we could want to know about that topic.
          By the way, don’t forget to get your HPV vaccine. It just might keep you from getting uterine cancer. And, pat yourself on the back and call yourself ‘patriotic’ for doing it, chum.
          Bartender, set up another round of fresh, tasty Kruel Ade for Michele and her new friend!

          • Michele

            Such anger!

          • TIME

            Michele, Who’s angry? Please Show me this alledged anger.

          • Michele

            TIME says:
            September 6, 2010 at 11:01 am
            Michele,
            Your a classic example of why I think “Eugenic’s” are a really good idea.

          • TIME

            Michele,
            Now thats not anger Sweet Lips, thats funnin. Learn the differance then life could be more fun for ya. Still LOVE ya, ;-)

        • coal miner

          Michele,

          Check this website out. The right wing religious nuts are at it again.

          http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102×4520049

      • Peter Vanderveen

        You are a sheeple!! Anyone who thinks that any one president has a lock on peace or prosperity has their rose colored glasses on. We had peace AND prosperity from about 1983 to 2001. The same thing goes for so called news outlets. How can you say that Fox News is biased without mentioning all the other biased news outlets like CNN? It’s impossible to have unbiased news reporting when over 90% over the people who work in that industry are self described liberals. Fox News is just a little less liberal than the others. You are correct to look at other sources such as this one and Limbaugh etc. but you should resist the temptation to judge other viewpoints because you are biased and your bias will prevent you from learning anything.

      • Granny Mae

        Michele,

        Why don’t you go back to the Clinton era and check to see just who it was that sold us down the river with all this China trade? It was Clinton that gave Chine privlege status ! It was his era that we saw the huge exit of business from this country and nothing coming back ! You don’t have a clue and the rest of us shouldn’t waste our time with you !

        • Anthony

          Very, very true, Granny.

          It was Bill Clinton that signed NAFTA & GATT.
          And, what’s more, he was WARNED by European Politicians that the move “would drive jobs out of his Country”…. without fail.

          The MEDIA in this Country suppressed those comments from abroad.
          From our side of the discussion, all we had was the fledgling Wild Web.
          Assuring that no one here got the real gist of what repercussions would arise.

          The John Kerry’s, and the Bushes, the Soros’s, the Ted Turner’s…
          All were in on the gambit, in advance, and moved their investments accordingly. And, all made out like bandits in the process.

          Again – it does not matter which side of the Two-Party System they come from… ALL, are in on it.

          I just wish everyone would stop running to the Television to allow themselves to be told what to think on the issues of the day. IF YOU MUST RUN TO THE TV — try making the screen go black, so only sound is what you get.

          WHY? Like the Kennedy Debates, Nixon is who won if you only listened to the Radio / and JFK is who won when you let your eyes lie to your brain.

          The great part about JFK, is he found a grain of decency in himself – listen to his speeches all over again – and he directed his Office to fight THE FED, and was assassinated for it …. Exec Order 11110.

        • coal miner

          Granny Mae,

          No way.Remember in a debate with Walter Mondale,Ronald Turn Coat Reagan said he would share our technology with the Soviets,Mondale said he would never ever let them get their bloody hands on it.Clinton listen to George Scab Bush Senior and started Nafta.Unions were against it.We know who sold us down the river,the money hungry conservatives did.

          • TIME

            Old King Coal,
            Yada yada yada, it was the other guy that did it, thats all you can say, your like bloody broken record dude. Get a new gig bubba.

            Who’s Bill Clintons good friend Erskin Bowels, you know the guy who wanted NAFTA in the worst way aka so his Business’s in NC could go to China and he could get rid of the pesky Unions and all the pesky rules we have here that held back his “PROFFITS”.
            And whos that other guy, oh yea thats right its Al Gore who said
            “WE NEED NAFTA NOW; to save American Business.”

            Bubba you are so far out of the loop with whats going on in the world today, your post are like hearing the 1930′s radio show; War of the Worlds and thinking its really going on.

            Bloody wake up you silly little person. And stop sniffing coal dust!

          • coal miner

            Time,

            I don’t give a rat’s ass about democrats or repubicans.I despise all governments whether its right or left,my belief is the IWW,no rule is the best rule.

          • Granny Mae

            I have a good book for you to check out. It is called:
            Dereliction of Duty by Lt. Col. Robert “Buz” Paterson, USAF (Ret.) Carrier of the nuclear football ! It is a real eye opener ! Anyway it was for me ! I voted for Clinton ! Since then I try to be very careful of who I vote for. Unfortunatly lately we haven’t had much to vote for !

      • Corinne

        “Conspiracy theories about vaccines…”? Michele, you need to go to the CDC web site and read what your vaccines are stabilized with – mercury and aluminum lead the list. If you want mercury and aluminum injected straight into your body, have at it! All you KoolAid drinkers should be vaccinated – the sooner, the better.

      • JLC

        Michele — Just what does all this have to do the Flu??

      • Al Sieber

        Michele, if Bush took all our rights, how come Obama hasn’t rescinded all the EX. orders and PD’s if he cared about our freedoms? then he’s the same. remember the war in Kosovo etc. that Clinton was involved in? so what kind of currency would you suggest for the U.S.A. if you think gold is no good? read the “coinage” act of 1792.

      • Lewis Munn

        Why not a sheeple? You seem to believe everything the liberal news and doctors and firms tell you, and run down experience and the need for warnings by other than those allowed to give them by the Big Pharma supported government.

    • blv54

      if vaccines are so safe why did bill gates say with the right vaccines we can lower the population by 10 to 15%, if they lower population thats gotta mean their killing people, sorry vaccine probably started out as a good thing but the elite have figured out how to turn it into a never fail eugenics operation.

  • Mick

    Cuffie says:
    September 6, 2010 at 10:29 am
    I worked more than 24 years in a hospital. I am now 71 years old and I will not take flu shots, nor will I take any other immunization.

    Wake up and read something written by the healthcare industry that IS NOT connected to the government.
    *******************************
    Cuffie…I am 64 and have never taken a flu shot and am very reluctant to take any medication.
    The way I look at it , they’re filling our bodies with too many poisons,I do believe in amoxiccilin for infections but most doctors I know prefer prescribing a much ore expensive anti-biotic……I may be wrong but that’s the way I feel…….

    • Wanda Murline

      Aspirin, the only non=pharmical medication that I take occasionally.

      • Richard Pawley

        Aspirin alone never did anything for me but when combined with caffeine and acetaminophen it is one of only two things that helps me with an occasional headache. The other (which I prefer) is to take six capsules of Tart Cherry powder. It costs about .47 a headache but has no side effects. I get it and many other things I use from http://www.vitacost.com in Florida. They have many thousands of items. A person can learn a great deal from Dr. Joseph Mercola of Chicago and his free nutrition and health newsletter that goes out all over the earth (www.mercola.com). Over 100,000 health professionals subscribe to his free news letter (those who really want to know the truth about all things medical, nutritional and regarding health). Remember, you can’t eat what typical Americans eat and not get the diseases that typical Americans get.

    • Bob

      I had my vaccinations over 60 years ago and I still have a red spot on my arm.

      • http://none Ernie S

        I’m over 75, and still have the marks from my TB vacunations. Manditory when I was in grade school. As of a few wears ago. It was manditory to get a flue shot at the VA. (Yha, I’m a vet) Sure enough, I got the flue.Sick for over a week. They don’t demand it for me any more. Both the prescription drugs he prescribed gave me side affects that worse than what he was trying to prevent. Still fighting that.
        After a few years I started down the supplement path. NOW I’m starting to get better. Years to get bad, a few to get back. Natural
        as much as possable. I avoid any shots (not just vaccinations).
        IF I’m wrong in my attitude, so be it…..

    • kate8

      What’s the leading cause of death in the US?

      Death by doctor. Medical “treatment”.

  • http://??????? Stephen Browning

    The biggest farce is all the money that is funneled into the Cancer Reasearch. They have found a cure for most cancers and if they were to start using the whatever, then the Hospitals and the Doctors would loose the money funneled into them.

  • Mary

    This is not about Fox news.. and only a progressive liberal would say that .. Kinda like Obama still blaming bush for this mess we’re in and the mess that is to come.(if it’s not intercepted)… Back to the article… There is way too much supporting evidence out there Michelle that supports this article. Evidence and reports and articles by medical associations, doctors from every stature and country… Everyone I know as well (including my husband and boss) usually gets sicker after getting the flu shot and blame it on food poisoning. Well.. chances are the poison is in the shot. My children and I , they are grown now, have never received a flu shot, neither has my mother. I can count on one hand how often I’ve been sick with what one may diagnose as the flu. I’m 51. Same for my adult children and my mother. Do your homework.

    • Michele

      I have been a nurse for 25 years, have had all my vaccinations…and I’ve never had polio, mumps, measles, Influenza, tetanus, Hepatitis B, or pneumonia…etc. You sometimes don’t feel well right after getting a vaccination because it has stimulated your immune system. You get a mild reaction, not full blown illness. That’s how vaccines work. Do your homework.
      ****
      I would rather be called a progressive Liberal (like that’s a dirty word) than be a regressive unprogressive who is afraid of change. Regression and unprogressivism (conservatism) don’t create the big ideas, invent the things that change the world for the better, make a positive difference. And yes I said “change for the world”…because the world doesn’t consist of the USA alone. Check it out on a map.
      ****

      • Wanda Murline

        Nice that you know about the new world order. When it is attained, you won’t be posting on this site or anywhere else…you will become a ward of the state…and that’s what your progress, liberal nutjobs want. Hope you like what you get.

      • s c

        Gee, Michele. We NEVER would have figured out that you’re just another in a long line of ‘Dems,’ libs, progressives or another useful idiot. This time, when you get ‘paid’ for your specious logic, please give it to a charity that needs the money.
        Herr Obummer may not let you deduct it when April 15 rolls around, but one must have priorities, and Herr Obummer demands that you learn how to sacrifice. You love to sacrifice, don’t you?
        Please line up to get every known vaccine. And if you have a son, tell him to get the HPV vaccine. Just because he doesn’t have a uterus or a vagina doesn’t mean the HPV vaccine can’t help (right?). Your chums at Big Pharma NEED the money.

        • Michele

          Well…the HPV vaccine is given to boys because males can transmit the HPV virus to females (it causes genital warts in males and females). Once the virus is transmitted to a female, it can cause not only genital warts, but cervical cancer. The HPV virus is the most common reason for cervical cancer.

      • Karolyn

        Michele – I’ve been attacked here as being a progressive liberal. These days I don’t know what I am other than a person who believes what she believes. I was diagnosed with HCV in 2001 and began my education about the pharmaceutical indsutrial. I learned enough to know that I will never get a vaccination or use chemo. when I was faced with using chemo for the HCV, I chose a more natural method and have been fine ever since. if I had chosen chemo like my gastro wanted (who poo-poohed everything I had to say on the subject), I would very likely still have the HCV and be sick from the aftereffects of the chemo. Our government has been in bed with Big Pharma and “Big Farm” for far too long. We are being forced to ingest substances that can kill us, while we are not allowed to drink raw milk from small clean farms. I for one am sick of it! Down with GMO and factory farms! Down with Big Pharma! Chemo kills! Did you know that there are noI am also a card-carrying Democrat and back Obama.

      • Disgusted

        I am neither Democrat nor Republican – party lines are not my interest – the best for my country is my interest. I am an American Citizen and I vote and think as one.
        The Government will control every decision you make if allowed to! Now that mandatory health care has been approved (against the majority wish of U.S. Citizens) they will slowly gain control of what you can and can’t do with your own bodies! Flu shots will probably become mandatory, again forcing us to do something whether we want to or not. It is illegal to drink raw milk, why because the government says so, therefore they are already making decisions for you that they should have no right to make. These things are all stepping stones to taking away our rights as citizens. The more decisions we let them make for us the more power they gain over us until all of a sudden one day we aren’t making any of our own decisions.
        We need to unite and stand as one against this tyranny!

      • blv54

        your wonderful oh so liberal progressives are trying to take us back to the stone age right now with their cap and tax, and you talk about the rest of the world that their so progressively helping? they’ve destroyed africa and are in the process of killing the other 1st world countries by robbing them blind you libs have no shame and you know your lying, liberals hate true progress and the human race, they hate themselves.

  • Mick

    Michele says:
    September 6, 2010 at 10:42 am
    Off to a bad start? Bush got us off to a bad start in the 21st Century…so let’s put that out there. And a bad start because of millions of negative, paranoid people like the ones who sit around reading conspiracy theories about vaccines instead of thinking of ways to make the world a better place.
    People need to get up and make a positive difference in the world. Not sit and whine about the “government”. Folks, you are the government.
    ******
    And Mike…it’s not just my 21st Century.
    ******
    Hoping we can go back to the “good old days” is not the answer. The good old days of The Dust Bowl, The Great Depression, WWII, The Holocaust, Japanese Internment, the Vietnam War….? How about the Clinton era of peace and prosperity (looks good now doesn’t it)? Maybe the Wonderful Bush Years of the Afghan War, Invasion of Iraq, 10 billion per month spent on those wars for 8 years, 9/11, warrantless wiretapping, Homeland Security Act, torture, the rich getting richer/the poor getting poorer, and don’t forget…near destruction of not only the US economy but the world’s economy as well.
    ****
    The contention that Obama is doing worse than Bush is ludicrous and could only be said with a straight face by folks like Limbaugh, Palin and Glenn Beck, People who profit off of paranoia and fear…that they are creating! You can’t get through one of their shows without an ad trying to sell you gold…that the paranoia they helped to fuel has inflated the price of.
    ****
    And you call me a sheeple!
    *************************************************

    The Dems sure didn’t miss with you in the brainwashing department . keep it up and see how far it’ll take you but as far as I am concerned, you can walk alone……..

    • Michele

      I am not the brainwashed one.
      ****
      We (as in Dems…another dirty word) already are walking it alone.

    • blv54

      mick and your rant was about what exactly? ya the past was bad but you ain’t seen nothin yet were about ready to step into the tribulation God said man would become more rare than gold most everyone will die in those days are ya ready?

  • Michele

    My post stated historical facts that are part of the USA’s history. They aren’t my opinion and certainly don’t indicate I’ve been brainwashed.

    • Granny Mae

      Part of history huh? You mean part of the history as you see and eccept it. I don’t see you claiming any history that is negative about your precious democratic party! How about the history in the making right now ? How about thousands of pages of bills that your dems pass and don’t read so they don’t even know what is in it and still they pass it ! How about Nasty Pelosi telling everyone that they had to pass the bill so they could find out what is in it ??? Wow! That was about the most brilliant statement I have ever heard ! That is a dem for you! As far as vaccines are concerned there are some that are good and some that are not. One of the problems I have with all these vaccines is they are giving too many all at the same time and that is dangerous for a lot of people. It may not be for you and it may not be for me but it is for a lot of people and they don’t know it till it is too late ! When I got my shots as a child we got just one or two at a time today they are giving four and five at a time. As for the flu, you go ahead and get it I will not. The flu virus mutates rapidly and what may work right now may not work in six months. I went through the first swine flu epidemic and I refused to get the shot. No-one in my family got the flu. But I remember the radio, news papers and Television telling everyone that it was imperative that they all get the shots. Especially the elderly and the very young ! The people that got the shot were dying like flies. It was horendess! This is America and we do have a choice and if you don’t like that then I guess the best move for you to make is goo to Russia !

  • Karolyn

    Look what happened last year. People were lined up around the block to get flu shots, and the big swine flu was a big bust! I’m 63 and don’t get ‘em. I stay away from all the chemicals I can and am not on anything.

    • Michele

      The Swine flu epidemic didn’t happen BECAUSE people got the shots. Why don’t people get that? Would it have been a successful Swine flu vaccine campaign if everyone got the shots, and then a whole bunch of people got the flu??? Of course not. If it works, people DON’T get the flu.

      • thinking

        most people did not get the shots, check with healthboards, in some countries they did not give out the shots. Remember they were late to market and limited to the poor, elderly, nurses and government! When they got to market they couldnt give them away and disposed of them. You do live in a box, that was even on the liberal news.

        • Granny Mae

          I agree! Good thinking ! Pun intenede !!!!!!!

          • Granny Mae

            Damn I hate it when my fingers do the walking without the rest of me !!! I ment to say intended !

      • Karolyn

        Michelle – You need to read a little more. Actually, though, it was even in the news. The flu was a big bust; and as was said, there wasn’t even enough vaccine until too late anyway. Go to http://www.mercola.com to get the real news on the government, FDA and big Pharma.

        • Al Sieber

          Out here in NW. Arizona they’re already giving out flu shots in Walmart. Dr. Mercola is right on.

      • Granny Mae

        That is what I was trying to tell you! The people getting the shot were the ones dying from it ! That is what the trouble was this last time around. They didn’t have a vaccine because the first one killed people and they had to get rid of iyt. Since the swine flu haddn’t come back for a while they didn’t bother trying to make a new one they were busy trying to catch up with what was coming that year. From what I see this vaccine isn’t a whole lot better. A lot of people were still dying after getting the shot ! It’s not for me !

  • Mick

    Karolyn says:
    September 6, 2010 at 11:11 am
    Look what happened last year. People were lined up around the block to get flu shots, and the big swine flu was a big bust! I’m 63 and don’t get ‘em. I stay away from all the chemicals I can and am not on anything.
    ********************************* Same here Karolyn……….

  • http://clarkerk@aol.com robert

    A physician of old, once said, “Medicine is a poison thet has some good side effects.”

  • Mick

    Michele says:
    September 6, 2010 at 11:07 am
    My post stated historical facts that are part of the USA’s history. They aren’t my opinion and certainly don’t indicate I’ve been brainwashed.
    ************************************** Is it what you call Historical fact ???Wow ! it’s worse that I thought it was………
    I wasted enough time answering your posts, when one goes around and around arguing with democrat mentality only makes one as useless, so have a nice day in la-la land………

    • Michele

      Thank you. I will.

    • Michele

      Hoping we can go back to the “good old days” is not the answer. The good old days of The Dust Bowl, The Great Depression, WWII, The Holocaust, Japanese Internment, the Vietnam War….? How about the Clinton era of peace and prosperity (looks good now doesn’t it)? Maybe the Wonderful Bush Years of the Afghan War, Invasion of Iraq, 10 billion per month spent on those wars for 8 years, 9/11, warrantless wiretapping, Homeland Security Act, torture, the rich getting richer/the poor getting poorer, and don’t forget…near destruction of not only the US economy but the world’s economy as well.
      ****
      What, in the above paragraph, is not a fact?

      • coal miner

        Michele,

        Well said;thank God we got somebody that makes intelligent statements.Welcome to the web.

        • s c

          CM, you and Michele are too much (like, far-out, dude). It’s always hilarious to see two progressives frantically trying to compliment each
          other on their ‘virtues.’ While you’re at it, don’t let Obummer know that you and Michele believe in “God.” That violates the #1 Protocol of the First Church of the Progressive “faith.”
          Do you two have any plans for becoming comedy czars for The Anointed One? You sure have what it takes.

          • Michele

            Do you honestly think the only Republicans believe in God? You really have been deluded by your puppet-masters.

      • s c

        Michele, your mental rump is out on a limb – again. Do you REALLY think your White House God is going to do a better job in Afghanistan? You love to slam GB with the idea that he was wrong to get us involved. OK. If HE’S wrong, then how in the HELL can Herr Obummer get a free pass by doing what GB did? Oh, duh!
        When your grandkids are pissing and moaning about our involvement in Afghanistan, have the GUTS to remind them Herr Obummer wasn’t smart enough to get OUT of Afghanistan when HE had the chance. HE made it WORSE, and KEPT us there! HYPOCRITE!
        If you didn’t have multiple, double standards for EVERYTHING, you wouldn’t have ANY standards at all! Duuuuuuuuuh!

  • Anthony

    Michele -

    Rense.com, along with quite a few others, have in-depth articles on the fallacy of the Swine-Flu contrived pandemic and the amount of financial loss that was incurred by the CDC panic (easy?) button that was pushed early on.

    If you are a Nurse, maybe you’re too insulated within the Industry to have a capably-honest interpretation of actual events.

    Does the end result have to be broadcast by Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews, first, for it to be considered credible by you?

    I know this – listening to NPR on the way to work every morning, can help one gain information not normally handed to us by CableTV News. And, even NPR has provided us with knowledge about how false the last FLU PANDEMIC actually was… and the number of incredibly bad reactions certain parts of the human genome went thru during that nonsense.

    Maybe, just maybe, you might try listing website articles to back up some of your claims whenever you post a comment that goes against the gist of the Article.

    At RENSE, you can find this Article —->

    Startling NEW Evidence ‘Swine Flu’ Is Man-Made

    • Michele

      Honestly…if when you go to the rense.com website you feel you are at home…that those opinions are “the truth”…
      ****
      You want to call me a nutjob, a Liberal, close-minded. My mind will never be open enough to get on board with The Illuminati, Chemtrails, The New World Order…and all his other nonsense. Wow, this is hopefully not where a lot of you folks get your news. Makes even Glenn Beck look like Walter Cronkite!

      • Anthony

        I’m fairly certain I never labeled you anything. Name calling seems to be an addiction from your side of the conversation. For all I know you could be a man. Online Posting Names are not indicative of who a person might really be.

        And, of course, you immediately SLAM a website that does not agree with YOU. THAT, by itself, is a trademark of the Salon.com talking points for those who are about NOT being held accountable. I could care less if you are a Liberal-conservative… or a Conservative-Democrat. THAT’s YOUR NEED to assign labels, to categorize for leverage hoping to get others to bend to your will, without bringing righteous proof to back up what you say.

        I only mentioned a couple of the so-called expert mainstream media news teleprompter readers of our day. That’s the only veering into this Liberal alignment anyone could have grabbed onto, for leverage.

        You trying to align Glenn Beck and Walter Cronkite is somewhat humorous. Especially when most who do…do their research, already understand that Walter Cronkite outright LIED to the American People about the success of the TET OFFENSIVE, back in 1968, and prior to THAT, he worked to suppress the news on the sinking of the USS LIBERTY by ISRAEL, for no express reason, I might add. Have you looked into the two-faced human who named himself Walter Cronkite? Whatsoever?

        NOT ONCE, have you provided any of us with evidence to back up your “generalizations” which are nothing more, in most cases, than a parroting of what news networks you may be watching. It’s quite transparent, whether you like it or not… is of no concern to the rest of us. It is transparent, no matter which way you choose to word the response…. or is it a comeback of some sort… in many of your posts you really do sound like PeeWee Herman, with the I known I am, but what are you rhetoric. Quite transparent.

        Like I say — just provide evidence to support your claims.
        Or, are you worried we might use some of your posting tactics right back at you?

        An adult approach would gain some respect… and be lent some adult guidance for evidence WE know about, that maybe you weren’t aware of. Right now, it’s blatantly obvious your ears are closed.

        • TIME

          Michele,
          Walter Cronkite was dead on for eugenics, a few quote’s from him; “We need EUGENICS now more than ever to control the population.”
          “We face many chalanges due to the out of control birth rates.”
          “There is only one lasting solution to this ever growning problem, thats to remove the unwanted parts of our culture by any means,”
          I have always been for “EUGENICS” its the only answer to many of our problems.
          “As Walter Lippman noted we can certainly give a grand cover story in the media to acts of “EUGENICS” so the population never fully grasps whats going on.”

          This is from a Speech given a few years before his death, yes I was there, yes I recorded it all on my mini tape, and this is just the tip of the iceburg of what was said.
          Up to that point in time I had the greatest respect for Mr. Cronkite, I still admire his talents.

        • Al Sieber

          Anthony, you’re wasting your time trying to have a dialog with Michele because she’s pissed off and hateful and even if you agreed on anything you would be wrong she needs a valium or…..

      • blv54

        michele you don’t believe in the NWO? thats in main stream news everyday your either a troll or a dimwit I’m going with troll since your on here pushing vaccines for all, how much do you guys get paid anyway.

  • Lynda

    How can you publish these lies??? I am VERY familiar with the research on Autism. It has been shown to have NO link to vaccines!!! After seeing you propagate this myth, I am disinclined to believe anything you say! I am going to the Cochrane site to read the flu vaccine studies so I can refute this if the data shows that. I have a strong suspicion the data will indeed NOT present the same conclusion you have reached. Anecdotely. if the flu vaccines did not work, I doubt EVERY hospital in America would be paying for their staff to get it.

    • Michele

      Thank you Lynda.

    • Karolyn

      Sheep just going along with the status quo. Just find some doctors to talk to who aren’t afraid to tell the truth. Last year when the flue vaccine was big news, I heard doctors on TV saying they would not take it.

    • kate8

      Lynda, Of course you and Michelle would go only to those “official”, “government sanctioned” websites for your “most reliable” information.

      LOL.

      Having worked many years in the “alternative” health field, I can tell you that most of our patients came to us only after modern medicine failed them miserably and, often, nearly killed them.

      More and more people are now going for the “natural” methods first, and skipping Big Pharma and their programmed doctors altogether.

      Just keep doing what you’re doing. If it works for you, fine, but save your breath (or fingers) by skipping this debate. Your opinion is of absolutely no relevance to many of us here.

    • libertytrain

      Lynda – I think you are confusing the words “reported to be” – which does not mean “is.” And there are studies that have been and are still questioning autism and vaccinations. If you are in fact, well-versed in the subject of autism you would be aware of the studies that link autism and vaccines. I have seen one result recently stating there is no connection and others are still in process trying to figure what all the ties are to autism and it’s immense surge in the general population in recent years.

  • Barbara

    When these flu shots first came out I asked my doctor if I needed to be vaccinated. He said, only if you have some under lying disease that would be complicated from getting the flu. Mainly if your immune system was compromised and already weakened. A healthy person does not need to be vaccinated. I have never had a flu shot.
    I had the Hong Kong flu in 1968’69 and sicker than I have ever been since.
    The vaccines do not cause autism, something does but what? Vaccines also do not cause SIDS. That has been studied and proven.
    The oral polio vaccine uses live polio virus. The Salk vaccine uses dead polio virus and does not give polio to anyone.
    A nursing mother passes to her children her built up immunization.
    When I was born I had a natural immunity to small pox. I was ten before the vaccine left a small scar. It took that long for the natural immunity to wear itself out.

    • Granny Mae

      Barbara,
      Autism may not be caused by vaccines, but I am not so sure. I don’t think it is caused by a vaccine but getting several at the same time is another story. It is hard enough for our bodies to handle one thing at a time and quite another to deal with four or five things going on within us at the same time. I was given meds. by my family physisan and refered to two specialists and they both gave me meds. I took what I was told to take until one day I mentioned to a friend that I felt like I was dying. And I truly did. I felt the life just draining out of me more and more every day. I had told my doctors this repeadedly and all they did was hit me with another perscription ! I got to where I was carrying my meds. around with me in a shopping bag ! TRUE STATEMENT ! My brain was so fogged up I couldn’t think straight. Everytime I would complain I was given a new script ! My friend sat down with me and we went over all the scripts I was taking and over 75% of them I shouldn’t have been taking because I had some other problem that reacted adversly with the meds. I took myself off everything except a few that I believed were vital for my life and I discovered a new life within three days! However it took me nearly a year to get everything out of my system . I went through drug withdrawal for almost a year. Once I was bck on my feet and thinking with a clear mind again I vowed that this would never happen to me again ! I don’t trust any doctor anymore. There is something going on with these children and Autisim and we should be doing everything we can to get to the bottom of it ! I have a little grand daughter with Autisim and I am sure that her is caused from her mommy doing drugs. Just my opinion but I see a lot and can put two and two together !

      • Barbara

        I agree. The level of autism is out of control. Something is causing it, but what. There has not been enough testing to determine what is triggering it.
        To many doctors medicate the symptom with out determining why the symptom exists. It is important for the patient to keep tabs on the medicine. We must be very pro active.
        I have noticed that people want some to do their thinking for them; investments, medicine, retirement. The person wants to play without taking time to evaluate. Takes to much time from their play time. Cradle to grave – some else attend to the details.
        I have been very fortunate with my doctors. They would take the necessary time for an honest evaluation. A couple of them did give me some misgivings. I later found out my sixth instinct was right! Pay attention it may save your life.
        I fought with my daughter’s pediatrician about reddlin sp? He refused to consider anything else. Another doctor put her on a natural calming drug, not a habit forming drug. I did not have to sign my life away when getting the prescription.

        • kate8

          There have been so many mothers who have said that, following the childs (usually) one year vaccinations, their child was never the same. It’s too much of a stretch to suggest that this is cooincidental.

          I also know young girls who were never the same following vaccinations for HPV. Which, BTW, causes sterility.

          Vaccinations are nothing more than a scam to make us all sick so we continue to seek medical help for ever-increasing maladies. Many of the vaccines also contain sterilants. What a great way for them to implement population reduction: in the name of “taking care of our health”.

        • Disgusted

          Look at the foods we are eating. We have become so lazy that we cook everything from a box of prepackaged overly processed junk. I saw a commercial yesterday for freezable yogurt that can be put into your child’s school lunch box and it will be defrosted just in time for them to squish into their mouths at lunch time. Disgusting! I don’t think we need to look beyond what we are putting into our bodies to discover why cancers, autism, obesity, CHF and other ailments/diseases are on the rise today. What we put into our bodies determines how healthy we are! What are you eating? Look at your food labels! Look at the way our beef is raised! I raise my own grass fed beef with no hormones/antibiotics/steroids and it takes a black angus steer over 2 years to grow to a decent butchering size. Our huge beef farms are doing it in under a year! Ask yourselves how? When the cattle are born they immediately inject a bar of soap sized implant into their necks that contains all the growth hormones / antibiotics / steroids that animal will need to make it grow as big as possible in the shortest time possible, crammed into horrible living conditions, fed a high calorie and fat diet to also help get a large a possible as fast as possible. The meat they produce is virtually saturated fat with no real beneficial substance any longer. My grass fed meat is very low in saturated fat and exremely high in omega nutrients and tastes wonderful.
          WE NEED TO START PAYING ATTENTION TO EVERYTHING WE ARE EATING!

          • coal miner

            Disgusted,

            You are right.

  • Carlucci

    As long as big pharma, mainstream media, and government are all in bed together, you can bet on more health “scares” and warnings that everyone must be vaccinated for flu and whatever other “disease” they can brainwash the public into believing. I have never gotten a flu shot and everyone I know who does or has, gets sick from the shot. These are usually the people who are eating lots of McCrap and sugary processed food, and not getting enough rest. Many of them also eat out at restaurants at least three times a week. Imagine who is preparing the food. Since it is a proven statistic that many hospital personnel don’t wash their hands on a regular basis, do you really think restaurant workers do? During flu season, I stay away from public places as much as possible and make my own food at home with clean hands in a clean kitchen. I also take lots of vitamins and supplements, especially vitamins C & D3, and spend time in the sun. As pointed out on this blog, the biggest deterrent to disease is a healthy diet of whole foods, and regularly washing your hands.

    • Granny Mae

      Amen !

  • think4yourself

    Here’s something you probably WON’T hear from the lame-stream media. Think TWICE before you decide to get that flu vaccine that ‘everyone’ says is a good idea. It’s JUST ANOTHER REASON to think for yourself…

    • http://none Ernie S

      My 2 cents worth. I do beleave in Vitiman/mineral supplements. But remember that that can be bad too. “A” is toxic in excess. “C” can be overdone. IF you go that route, be sure you “understand” what you are doing. Study/inlighten. Good health can be gotten, but with work.
      As for vac’s. I think that in the 40s-50s we were NOT informed, or given a choice. You HAD to have the shots IF you wanted to go to school…. Just not so many of them. In the service, NO choice given. I don’t remember getting sick on them, blamed it on ARMY food. But in recent years it seemes there have been more questions assked. Better informed, or just fed more missinfo??? I’ll stick with supplements.
      Like so many things in life, BY THE TIME YOU KNOW THE TRUTH,,IT’S TOO LATE. GOD HELP US ALL, WE NEED IT.

  • Anthony

    Those who state they have NOT gone and gotten the FLU SHOT, are probably the wisest of the bunch, here. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

    I was fairly sick, last winter, for the first time in a decade – it lasted almost two weeks. Luckily, I have a job where I can work from home, if need be. Usually, this means that THIS WINTER I should not get sick, hardly at all. We’ll see.

    I know this — I’m not getting a FLU SHOT on my own congition. They will have to shackle me first and even then, it will be a fight. When the medical community and the authorities have to go THAT FAR to implement their agenda… you have to know something’s wrong. Somewhat like a Doctor having a patient supposedly arrested for their own good, just so he can make a big profit on adminsitering health care to someone. And, THAT, has been done before under false premise.

    I’m not sick… and If I do get sick, I’ll be taking homeopathic care of myself, according to the advice of some great independent Doctors who have walked away from BIG PHARMA for damn good reason.

    Bob Livingston always provides a wealth of advice on staying healthy.
    Winston Kao over at GoBeyondOrganics is another good source.
    Dr. Blaylock and his Letter you can sign up for, is on my email list.
    I also get the Douglass Report – which has many good clues on staying healthy.

    Trusting BIG PHARMA is like Blind Patriotism – avoid it.

    Like Reagan said: Trust, but Verify!

  • Carol

    I have never ever gotten a flu shot in my entire life nor have I ever had the flu in my life because I boost my immune system.

    I take very powerful vitamins that keep my immune system working against flu and all kinds of things that are running around.

    The name of the vitamins are Shaklee Products look it up for yourself doctors don’t really like them very well at all.

    • Granny Mae

      Carol,
      I was in to Shaklee way back when Dr. Shaklee was still alive. He had wonderful products. I haven’t used them much since his son’s sold the business to the Chinese or was it the Japanese ? One of them. I agree with you that they are wonderful products. Too bad they don’t still make the original protien powder. I miss that !

  • American Citizen

    Before vaccinations for whooping cough, measles, etc., a lot of children died from those diseases. Measles is on the rise because people are opting out of getting the vaccine for their children. Measles can cause blindness. Chicken pox also has side effects worse than the vaccine. Several young people died in this area last year due to the H1N1 virus. Some people may be allergic to the base which make them sick so they blame the virus. If they had the flu years ago, they probably already have immunity which is why they don’t get the flu. Not getting the shots has nothing to do with this. I have been battling cancer for 14 years, was in remission, now out of it. The oncologist is doing his best to get me back into remission. I trust doctors to do their best for me, no matter what the disease or illness. It’s up to you, the patient, to do your part. Know your body and what works for you. That’s what my doctors tell me.

    • Granny Mae

      American Citizen,

      Yes, back when I was a child they were just coming out with a lot of vaccines and all of us got them and they saved a lot of lives. Also back then we didn’t have all the things to use as preservitives for the vaccines and they have also changed some of the vaccines. It is no doubt that a lot of childrens lives were saved back then, but today something is different and too many children are dying or suffering life changing defects from what their parents believe is due to the vaccine. When you take a little baby that is smiling and reacting to his mothers voice and showing all the signs of a normal child and mom takes him or her to the clinic or the doctor for their shots and within a week that child has changed to a non responsive child, if I were that mom my first thought would be that it is the fault of the shot ! The people doing the studying are missing something ! It may be that if they come out and say yes it is the vaccine or the preservitive then all of a sudden the drug companies are in for tens of thousands of law suits ! Good reason for them to keep things under wraps !

    • Granny Mae

      By the way American, I will pray for you and for your on going battle with this most dreaded of all diseases. I am sure that your doctor is going to do everything he can for you. What kind of a person would they be if they didn’t. My husband as been through that crisis too! It is a long hard fight and it can be won so just don’t give up the fight. He has been cancer free for 18 years now. He had the best doctors in the country and that helped. So don’t give up or give in. There is always hope ! My husband says that he thinks that one of the things that helped was the fresh vegetable juice I made for him several times a day. He couldn’t eat and had a hard time swallowing so the only way I could get food into him was with this juice. I got an Acmee juicer and made him all kinds of juices from carrots and apples and cabbage and sometimes beets and so on. I would reccomend that you pick up a juicer maybe like the Juice Man juicer or something similar and then get a good book about making juices and have at it. We drink them now just because we have come to enjoy them. I have a lot of trouble with ulcers from the years of having to take so many pills so that flares up on me from time to time. When it comes back on me I juice up about a half of a cabbage and two small apples and drink it down and after about two or three of them in a day or two the ulcer is all gone. My son has a lot of trouble with ulcers too and he does the same thing and swears by it. Try the juicing, it can only add a positive on your side ! God Bless you and give you strength for the road ahead ! May his healing hand touch you and banish this disease to be gone forever, in Jesus name A men !

  • Ernie Glozier

    ERNIE G SAYS
    I REALLY ENJOY THE ARTICLES AND THE REPLIES. IT IS MY COMIC BOOK PAGE.
    WHY ARE SO MANY AGAINST ALMOST EVERYTHING AND DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE SOME THAT STILL DO SOMETHING OR INVENT SOMETHING FOR THE GOOD OF ALL. OVER FIFTY MILLION DIED IN THE FLU PANDEMIC IN THE WW1 ERA. THEY MUST HAVE GOT THAT RIGHT BY FINDING THE CAUSE. IT IS MUCH EASIER TO BE A CRITIC THAN TO TRY AND IMPROVE THE LOT IN LIFE BY COMING UP WITH A SOLUTION. THAT IS WHY FOR EVERY DOER THERE MUST BE 10 CRITICS.
    THE O.H.I.P. TRY TO DETERMINE WHICH WILL BE THE MOST AGGRESSIVE TYPE OF FLU IN THE COMING SEASON AND MAKE THE BEST FLU SHOT AVAILABLE TO HELP WARD OFF THAT ONE. IT IS SUCCESSFUL FOR A LARGE PART OF THE POPULATION AND ALSO REDUCES INFECTIONS BY OTHER TYPES OF FLU VIRUSES. BUT RATTLE ON ALL YOU CRITICS I AM SURE IT REDUCES YOUR BLOOD PRESSURE.

  • Lynda

    Thank you Ernie Glosier.

  • Michele

    Read the linked “sources” to this article. Especially the one that says germs don’t really cause illness.

    • Granny Mae

      You have got to be kidding me!! They really said that germs don’t really cause illness??? Well then what pray tell do they think does? I honestly believe that giving yourself the best immune system possible gives you the best chance possible ! I don’t get flu shots but that is my choice I don’t say that others shouldn’t. They can do what they want to, but to say that germs and virusis don’t cause disease is rediculous !

  • Nik

    I got the flu shot once years ago and I was never so sick as I was after getting that shot, I will NEVER get another flu shot, like many I take vitamins and up my D in the winter. New research has come out saying we should be getting 5,000 to 10,0000 IU’s of Vit D every day in the winter, my dr had me on prescription Vit D last winter 20,000 IU’s per pill which I took once a week, I never even got a cold last winter. My Dr left it up to me to take my own Vit D or the prescription one but he wanted me taking at least 20,000 IU’s a week.

    The great thing about our country is our freedoms if those who refuse to believe that these flu shots can be bad for your health and you want to get the flu shot go for it those of us who believe in natural medicine and refuse to get the flu shot have that right as well.

    Australia stopped giving flu shots to kids after it made so many children have to be hospitalized some are in a coma, some had convulsions it’s all attributed to the same flu shot we have here in the US. If you want to take that risk it’s your body. I for one won’t be taking that risk.

  • Carlucci

    Granny Mae, The same thing that you describe was happening with my mom (she was waaaay over medicated). Her doctor had put her on the strongest statin drug out there, and she went into major cognitive decline; couldn’t remember anything, totally scatterbrained, etc. I looked up the side effects of this drug and sent them to her. I also sent her an article by Dr. Julian Whitaker (M.D.) of the Whitaker Wellness Center in California. His article said statins usually don’t help women. My mom stopped taking the statin and is doing much better.

    A friend of mine owns a health food store in an area popular with retirees. She said they come in all the time complaining about how awful they feel and have zero energy. When she asks if they are taking prescription meds, she can’t believe how long the list is. No wonder they feel like crap.

    People are meant to be healthy all of their lives, not just when they are young. This nonsense of giving pharmaceuticals for everything and to everyone is a crime, because now it is all about managing “illness” and not creating and maintaining wellness. Think back about forty or fifty years ago. If you were ill, you went to the doctor. He gave you something to make you better, maybe like an antibiotic. He probably also told you to take it easy, relax and get some sleep, and to eat some good soup or something wholesome. Once you were completely well, you had to stop taking the antibiotic. If you would have told your doctor that you wanted to keep taking the antibiotic to keep you well, he would have thought you were crazy.

    One of the best books I have read lately is by Dr. Steven Hotze (M.D.) who used to be a traditional medical doctor who prescribed pharmaceuticals all day long. He saw the light after a discussion with an elderly patient. The name of this book is “Hormones, Health, and Happiness” and it is not just for women. Great book – I got it at Half Price books for five bucks.

    • Granny Mae

      Carlucci,
      Thank God you had the forsight to send your mom the info. I get the news letters from Dr. Julian Whittaker too and he is real good. I also get one from Dr. David Williams. He is also very good. It is called Alternatives. You can check him out on the net ! I consider both of them to be excellent ! I’m going to look for the book you spoke of Hormones,Health and Happiness ! When a person goes to a doctor they go because they feel the doctor is more knowledgeable than they are, by the time they find out the doctor isn’t , it is too late and you are usually under the effects of a medication that is effecting your thinking. You are afraid to stop taking the meds. because the doctor put you on them but when you complain to him about the side effects he just gives you something else. They were giving me nerve pills and antidepressants and who knows what all! All this because I went in for a problem with my feet ! I had no feeling in them and they were twisting up and to the inside . I had no clue what was wrong only that I couldn’t feel my skin on my feet and yet I was having terrible pain in my legs and knotts on the bottom of my feet so that walking was so painful I use to make it from my car to the inside of the building where I worked and one of the security guards would have me sit down in a chair with rollers and he would roll me to my work station every day ! Another guard or my boss would roll me out at the end of the day ! I thank God for them. They helped me through a difficult time in my life !

      • Disgusted

        Granny-you seem ahead of the game. My husband was hospitalized three times in one year about 6 years ago. He saw every specialists under the sun. None of them could figure out what was wrong with him, but each one had their prescription pad out and was more than willing to put him “on” something. I have a stack of prescription orders, but never had any of them filled. We decided they didn’t know what they were doing, they have a license to “practice” after all!
        We started from square one: what we were eating. It turned out that splenda was having it’s way with my husband! Did you know that splenda added to a hot beverage becomes DDT? Yup that’s right – check it out on the web! We only found out Splenda was the culprit through a process of elimination which eventually led us to an all organic diet. When you start researching our food supply and industry you really find out some scary stuff!!!!! We met with a dietician about 10 years ago for my husbands high triglicerides and she recommended splenda to help lower his totals – she said “it’s made from sugar, just slightly altered so the body doesn’t recognize it as sugar” – we changed all our sugar in the house to splenda -all baking and cooking! What a huge mistake!! We have now been eating organic for 5 years and my husband is 100% back to normal. No thanks to the doctor’s we were seeing. It seemed like they didn’t even want to believe us when we would express our concerns about things such as splenda, they would kind of snigger and ask my husband “How is your home life?” “Are you depressed?” How is your relationship with your wife?” “Let me write you a prescription for an antidepressent!” My husband just about lost it after a while, that is when we started our own course of treatment! After a $20,000+ hospital bill I might add!
        America needs to take their food consumption seriously or else we are looking at a pretty bleak future, health wise!!

        • Granny Mae

          Disgusted,

          Thank the Lord you had the forsight to do what you did. Yes I did know about artificial sweetners and I too learned the hard way ! About 25 years ago I decided I wanted to loose a little weight and joined Nutra System. After a week on the program I was suffering with a headache so bad that I couldn’t see straight ! One of the gals at work said that she thought I might be having trouble with the diet I was on and to ask them about it the next time I went in ! I couldn’t see how that could be the case but the next time I was in I mentioned that I was having horrable headaches and the gal immediately said Oh no you can’t take the nutra sweet !!! Well since all my meals were purchased from them I was going to have to use only those that didn’t have the sweetner in them ! Turns out that nearly all of them had the sweetner in them so I was very limited to what I could have. I decided to do my dieting at home with my own food and save myself a lot of money. Later I found out that aspertame (nutra sweet) turns to wood alcohol in your body at body temperature ! Aspertame is not stable in heat and they were having a lot of trouble with it when cases of it were delivered to gas-stations for promotionals, and had been left sitting outside in the sun! It got heated and was impossible to drink. I understand the same thing happened durring the Gulf war ! I know that the body doesn’t deal with the artificial sweetner in a normal way either. As a diabetic I learned that a long time ago too. So the best thing is to just stay away from it altogether. I have a good one for you. About 15 years ago we had to go to Michigan and get my father in law and bring him to live with us. It was a real quick trip durring Christmas vacation. We ran to Mich. and got dad and came back home with the intention of going back in the late spring or early summer to take care of his house and things. I cleaned out the frig. and took all the food stuffs and packed them up to bring with us. We turned the heat way down in the house but left it on just enough to keep the pipes from freezing over the winter and we left.In early June we went back to the house and began to clean out the furniture and everything else. I happened to look on the stand next to the kitchen table and realized that I had not taken the bread from the bread box when we were there at Christmas! I opened it up fully expecting to see a very moldy loaf of bread but instead I saw a loaf that was still soft and pliable with no mold on it ???? That bread had been there for six months and was still just like the day it was purchased ! A friend of mine had the same experience with a loaf that had been tossed to the back of the cupboard by her grandson. It was discovered a year later and was just like it was the day she bought it ! I wouldn’t touch it with a 10 foot pole ! Bread is preserved with plaster of paris !!!You will see it on the label as calcium propionate. When I discovered that I learned how to make bread in a hurry ! Now I’m lazy and just use the bread machine !

  • Ron Powell

    I am a non-partisan ex-democrat and have never had a flu shot. I also have never had the flu. The shots may help a few people and be detrimental to some. Like a lot of vaccines and medicines, long range testing isn’t done and like defective cars, once problems start pouring in and people start dying the government will react. by then usually the companies have made enough money to cover any lawsuits and sstill retain a profit. As for Obama and his healthcare system, read the bill itself and ask yourself if you would vote for it. Better still, do a little research on Obama and you’d wonder why anyone in their right mind would vote for him. I didn’t like Bush because of his inaction and poor leadership and I blame him for the reason another lawyer team were elected.

  • Tonya

    PLEASE take 30 seconds to sign this petition and forward it on! Maybe we can make a change!! :)
    http://healthcare.change.org/petitions/view/stop_pharmaceutical_companies_from_getting_away_with_murder

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